<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_17_1916241</id>
	<title>DRM Flub Prevented 3D Showings of <em>Avatar</em> In Germany</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1261078260000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Fraggy\_the\_undead writes <i>"According to German IT news site heise.de, yesterday <a href="http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/DRM-Chaos-verhindert-3D-Vorpremieren-von-Avatar-888309.html">several 3D showings of <em>Avatar</em> couldn't take place</a> (German; <a href="http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&amp;sl=de&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.heise.de\%2Fnewsticker\%2Fmeldung\%2FDRM-Chaos-verhindert-3D-Vorpremieren-von-Avatar-888309.html">Google translation to English</a>), because the movies were DRM protected such that there had to be a key per copy of the film, per film projector, and per movie server in the theater. The key supplier, by the name Deluxe, was apparently unable to provide a sufficient number of valid keys in time. Moviegoers were offered to get a refund or view an analogue 2D showing instead."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fraggy \ _the \ _undead writes " According to German IT news site heise.de , yesterday several 3D showings of Avatar could n't take place ( German ; Google translation to English ) , because the movies were DRM protected such that there had to be a key per copy of the film , per film projector , and per movie server in the theater .
The key supplier , by the name Deluxe , was apparently unable to provide a sufficient number of valid keys in time .
Moviegoers were offered to get a refund or view an analogue 2D showing instead .
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<sentencetext>Fraggy\_the\_undead writes "According to German IT news site heise.de, yesterday several 3D showings of Avatar couldn't take place (German; Google translation to English), because the movies were DRM protected such that there had to be a key per copy of the film, per film projector, and per movie server in the theater.
The key supplier, by the name Deluxe, was apparently unable to provide a sufficient number of valid keys in time.
Moviegoers were offered to get a refund or view an analogue 2D showing instead.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477780</id>
	<title>Avatards</title>
	<author>thisnamestoolong</author>
	<datestamp>1261082820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I accidentally the DRM keys for the movie... is this bad?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I accidentally the DRM keys for the movie... is this bad ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I accidentally the DRM keys for the movie... is this bad?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479464</id>
	<title>Re:Give yourself 100\% discount</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261045680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed!</p><p>More importantly, audience, what was the last movie you remember that was advertised as much if not more, than Avatar, within the past decade?</p><p>Nothing comes to mind. Not even the LOTR trilogies were advertised this much. I've pretty much already seen the movie from all the advertising that has gone on!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed ! More importantly , audience , what was the last movie you remember that was advertised as much if not more , than Avatar , within the past decade ? Nothing comes to mind .
Not even the LOTR trilogies were advertised this much .
I 've pretty much already seen the movie from all the advertising that has gone on !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed!More importantly, audience, what was the last movie you remember that was advertised as much if not more, than Avatar, within the past decade?Nothing comes to mind.
Not even the LOTR trilogies were advertised this much.
I've pretty much already seen the movie from all the advertising that has gone on!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478198</id>
	<title>Achtung!</title>
	<author>Skelde</author>
	<datestamp>1261040940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Diese DRM nicht for the gefingerpoken</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Diese DRM nicht for the gefingerpoken</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Diese DRM nicht for the gefingerpoken</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478160</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>fastest fascist</author>
	<datestamp>1261040820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The DRM in digital cinema copies is pretty evil alright. You'd think that digital distribution would make it easier for small moviemakers to put their work out, what with the ease of duplication as compared to 35 mm film copies? Dream on - the digital copies are mastered in such a way that each copy is essentially locked to a single projector, so you'll have to make a copy for each theatre you want to show your film in, and that of course means going to some post production house with the proper equipment, and forking over cash. Not pennies either, from what I'm told.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The DRM in digital cinema copies is pretty evil alright .
You 'd think that digital distribution would make it easier for small moviemakers to put their work out , what with the ease of duplication as compared to 35 mm film copies ?
Dream on - the digital copies are mastered in such a way that each copy is essentially locked to a single projector , so you 'll have to make a copy for each theatre you want to show your film in , and that of course means going to some post production house with the proper equipment , and forking over cash .
Not pennies either , from what I 'm told .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The DRM in digital cinema copies is pretty evil alright.
You'd think that digital distribution would make it easier for small moviemakers to put their work out, what with the ease of duplication as compared to 35 mm film copies?
Dream on - the digital copies are mastered in such a way that each copy is essentially locked to a single projector, so you'll have to make a copy for each theatre you want to show your film in, and that of course means going to some post production house with the proper equipment, and forking over cash.
Not pennies either, from what I'm told.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477714</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30480078</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261048140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cory Doctorow is smart enough to know the difference between consumer DRM and B2B DRM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cory Doctorow is smart enough to know the difference between consumer DRM and B2B DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cory Doctorow is smart enough to know the difference between consumer DRM and B2B DRM.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478604</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477738</id>
	<title>Give yourself 100\% discount</title>
	<author>avandesande</author>
	<datestamp>1261082700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do not see this movie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do not see this movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do not see this movie.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477874</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I think this will just add fuel?</title>
	<author>0x15e</author>
	<datestamp>1261083120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't that kind of like "You make me do this to you! Why do you keep making me hit you!?"</p><p>Not denying that they did / would say that.  I just thought it was funny noticing the parallels there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't that kind of like " You make me do this to you !
Why do you keep making me hit you ! ?
" Not denying that they did / would say that .
I just thought it was funny noticing the parallels there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't that kind of like "You make me do this to you!
Why do you keep making me hit you!?
"Not denying that they did / would say that.
I just thought it was funny noticing the parallels there.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477596</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30484762</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261130580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Alternatively, you could ask "Do the few thousand extra ticket sales you can attribute to free word-of-mouth advertising from piracy make you more than the few thousand movie ticket sales you lost to piracy?" Without hard numbers for both those values your argument is worthless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alternatively , you could ask " Do the few thousand extra ticket sales you can attribute to free word-of-mouth advertising from piracy make you more than the few thousand movie ticket sales you lost to piracy ?
" Without hard numbers for both those values your argument is worthless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alternatively, you could ask "Do the few thousand extra ticket sales you can attribute to free word-of-mouth advertising from piracy make you more than the few thousand movie ticket sales you lost to piracy?
" Without hard numbers for both those values your argument is worthless.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479318</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30483932</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261075200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you are justifying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you are justifying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you are justifying.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479318</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478412</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>Ichijo</author>
	<datestamp>1261041900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Maybe now some of the rank &amp; file will begin to understand the evils of pervasive DRM, even if only in Germany.</p></div></blockquote><p>If the fact that it's difficult to get right makes it evil, then what does that say about the Space Race?</p><p>There are some good arguments to make against DRM, but that isn't one of them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe now some of the rank &amp; file will begin to understand the evils of pervasive DRM , even if only in Germany.If the fact that it 's difficult to get right makes it evil , then what does that say about the Space Race ? There are some good arguments to make against DRM , but that is n't one of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe now some of the rank &amp; file will begin to understand the evils of pervasive DRM, even if only in Germany.If the fact that it's difficult to get right makes it evil, then what does that say about the Space Race?There are some good arguments to make against DRM, but that isn't one of them.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477530</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30484270</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>bulletman</author>
	<datestamp>1261166580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What's interesting is that, once again, DRM is only affecting legitimately paying customers.</p></div><p>Though you wouldn't hear about it If the DRM prevented theft of the movie.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's interesting is that , once again , DRM is only affecting legitimately paying customers.Though you would n't hear about it If the DRM prevented theft of the movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's interesting is that, once again, DRM is only affecting legitimately paying customers.Though you wouldn't hear about it If the DRM prevented theft of the movie.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479850</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479256</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261044960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't know 3D rips were available.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't know 3D rips were available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't know 3D rips were available.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478528</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477910</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1261083300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The rank and file, for the most part, will be mad that the projector was broken.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The rank and file , for the most part , will be mad that the projector was broken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The rank and file, for the most part, will be mad that the projector was broken.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477530</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478692</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261042980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No it isn't you insensitive clod I make my living from those films thank you very much.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No it is n't you insensitive clod I make my living from those films thank you very much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No it isn't you insensitive clod I make my living from those films thank you very much.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478528</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30480746</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261050960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks for alerting us to this issue.<br>Our lawyers have sent DMCA takedowns to the infringing parties.</p><p>Sincerely,<br>Poiu Ytrew, CEO<br>Asdfasdf Software Gmbh</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for alerting us to this issue.Our lawyers have sent DMCA takedowns to the infringing parties.Sincerely,Poiu Ytrew , CEOAsdfasdf Software Gmbh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for alerting us to this issue.Our lawyers have sent DMCA takedowns to the infringing parties.Sincerely,Poiu Ytrew, CEOAsdfasdf Software Gmbh</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478840</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479098</id>
	<title>Re:And that's</title>
	<author>Mr. Freeman</author>
	<datestamp>1261044480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, no, no.  Obviously people are not watching in theaters because of piracy.  It can't possibly have anything to do with the poor service, amazingly high food prices, dealing with annoying people, having that jackass walk through the theater with the flashlight to make sure you're not doing anything bad, being treated like crap, the sticky floors, it must be piracy.<br><br>Seriously though, I don't know how theaters can be so clueless.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , no , no .
Obviously people are not watching in theaters because of piracy .
It ca n't possibly have anything to do with the poor service , amazingly high food prices , dealing with annoying people , having that jackass walk through the theater with the flashlight to make sure you 're not doing anything bad , being treated like crap , the sticky floors , it must be piracy.Seriously though , I do n't know how theaters can be so clueless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, no, no.
Obviously people are not watching in theaters because of piracy.
It can't possibly have anything to do with the poor service, amazingly high food prices, dealing with annoying people, having that jackass walk through the theater with the flashlight to make sure you're not doing anything bad, being treated like crap, the sticky floors, it must be piracy.Seriously though, I don't know how theaters can be so clueless.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478378</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30483906</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>gad\_zuki!</author>
	<datestamp>1261074780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do you assume this leads to positive free advertising? Look at the wolverine movie. Any nerd could download it and watch it before it was released. Turns out they did. There was no 'network effect.' This didnt help the movie at all. It probably just hurt it.  While there are good arguments for copyright reform and fixing IP laws, this one just aint one of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you assume this leads to positive free advertising ?
Look at the wolverine movie .
Any nerd could download it and watch it before it was released .
Turns out they did .
There was no 'network effect .
' This didnt help the movie at all .
It probably just hurt it .
While there are good arguments for copyright reform and fixing IP laws , this one just aint one of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you assume this leads to positive free advertising?
Look at the wolverine movie.
Any nerd could download it and watch it before it was released.
Turns out they did.
There was no 'network effect.
' This didnt help the movie at all.
It probably just hurt it.
While there are good arguments for copyright reform and fixing IP laws, this one just aint one of them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479318</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30482930</id>
	<title>Oracle does not use DRM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261064700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Did I buy enough Microsoft Client Access Licenses? Did I buy enough Oracle licenses for my upgraded machine with more cores? Did I buy the correct licenses for commercial use of this software? Is this DVD for a zone my player isn't licensed for?</p></div><p>Slight correction: The Oracle RDBMS has never had software enforcement of licenses.  The free for development version is the exact same bits as the production version and there's no license codes to enter or activation required.  You're legally required to purchase licenses for production deployments (unless you use the limited free Oracle XE version) but there's no DRM that would ever prevent you from starting your database and accessing your data.</p><p>Also, Oracle secure content-management products use certificates generated or provided by a customer, not by Oracle or some other mandatory outside authority.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did I buy enough Microsoft Client Access Licenses ?
Did I buy enough Oracle licenses for my upgraded machine with more cores ?
Did I buy the correct licenses for commercial use of this software ?
Is this DVD for a zone my player is n't licensed for ? Slight correction : The Oracle RDBMS has never had software enforcement of licenses .
The free for development version is the exact same bits as the production version and there 's no license codes to enter or activation required .
You 're legally required to purchase licenses for production deployments ( unless you use the limited free Oracle XE version ) but there 's no DRM that would ever prevent you from starting your database and accessing your data.Also , Oracle secure content-management products use certificates generated or provided by a customer , not by Oracle or some other mandatory outside authority .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did I buy enough Microsoft Client Access Licenses?
Did I buy enough Oracle licenses for my upgraded machine with more cores?
Did I buy the correct licenses for commercial use of this software?
Is this DVD for a zone my player isn't licensed for?Slight correction: The Oracle RDBMS has never had software enforcement of licenses.
The free for development version is the exact same bits as the production version and there's no license codes to enter or activation required.
You're legally required to purchase licenses for production deployments (unless you use the limited free Oracle XE version) but there's no DRM that would ever prevent you from starting your database and accessing your data.Also, Oracle secure content-management products use certificates generated or provided by a customer, not by Oracle or some other mandatory outside authority.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477868</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30484662</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>bickerdyke</author>
	<datestamp>1261129740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Get over it people at this level encryption is here to stay.</p></div><p>Whatever. I don't care.<br>
&nbsp; But if you insist on yusing it, it's YOUR F**ING JOB TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS!!</p><p>Otherwise your statement is pure nonsense.</p><p>Like if your power company would switch to nuclear fusion tomorrow. Your house will go dark cause it doesnt't produce any energy yet, but hey, get over it. Thats the technology of the future and it#s here to stay!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get over it people at this level encryption is here to stay.Whatever .
I do n't care .
  But if you insist on yusing it , it 's YOUR F * * ING JOB TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS !
! Otherwise your statement is pure nonsense.Like if your power company would switch to nuclear fusion tomorrow .
Your house will go dark cause it doesnt't produce any energy yet , but hey , get over it .
Thats the technology of the future and it # s here to stay !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get over it people at this level encryption is here to stay.Whatever.
I don't care.
  But if you insist on yusing it, it's YOUR F**ING JOB TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS!
!Otherwise your statement is pure nonsense.Like if your power company would switch to nuclear fusion tomorrow.
Your house will go dark cause it doesnt't produce any energy yet, but hey, get over it.
Thats the technology of the future and it#s here to stay!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478716</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30482454</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>sincewhen</author>
	<datestamp>1261061280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think you misunderstand. The DRM would be there to prevent the theater from showing the movie on more than one screen, or sending a copy to their other locations. The theater is the end-user the DRM is being used against.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you misunderstand .
The DRM would be there to prevent the theater from showing the movie on more than one screen , or sending a copy to their other locations .
The theater is the end-user the DRM is being used against .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you misunderstand.
The DRM would be there to prevent the theater from showing the movie on more than one screen, or sending a copy to their other locations.
The theater is the end-user the DRM is being used against.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479850</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30485596</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>ultranova</author>
	<datestamp>1261142160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>No it isn't you insensitive clod I make my living from those films thank you very much.</p></div> </blockquote><p>So by downloading a ripped copy instead of going to a theater, I'm not only getting a superior disinfected version, but also make it less likely of reading malpunctuated "insensitive clod" posts from you in the future? Win-win!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No it is n't you insensitive clod I make my living from those films thank you very much .
So by downloading a ripped copy instead of going to a theater , I 'm not only getting a superior disinfected version , but also make it less likely of reading malpunctuated " insensitive clod " posts from you in the future ?
Win-win !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No it isn't you insensitive clod I make my living from those films thank you very much.
So by downloading a ripped copy instead of going to a theater, I'm not only getting a superior disinfected version, but also make it less likely of reading malpunctuated "insensitive clod" posts from you in the future?
Win-win!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30481940</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261057860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>do you have any data to back up your claims?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>do you have any data to back up your claims ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>do you have any data to back up your claims?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478182</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>Mategan</author>
	<datestamp>1261040880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also happened in Australia. <a href="http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=677232&amp;p=40#r783" title="whirlpool.net.au" rel="nofollow">http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=677232&amp;p=40#r783</a> [whirlpool.net.au]

Cant imagine these are 2 isolated cases when its such a popular movie either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also happened in Australia .
http : //forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm ? t = 677232&amp;p = 40 # r783 [ whirlpool.net.au ] Cant imagine these are 2 isolated cases when its such a popular movie either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also happened in Australia.
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=677232&amp;p=40#r783 [whirlpool.net.au]

Cant imagine these are 2 isolated cases when its such a popular movie either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478736</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing, too..</title>
	<author>DeadPixels</author>
	<datestamp>1261043160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not actually showing the movie is the DRM of the <i>future</i>! You can't film it if you can't WATCH it, right?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not actually showing the movie is the DRM of the future !
You ca n't film it if you ca n't WATCH it , right ?
: D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not actually showing the movie is the DRM of the future!
You can't film it if you can't WATCH it, right?
:D</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478104</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1261040700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, it's hard to say why the key generator company was unable to produce enough valid licenses in time.  According to the article, the movie theaters had licenses but they turned out to be "no longer valid" on opening day.  I suspect that either "Deluxe" (the key distributor) had a major systems failure and couldn't regen the day's licenses, or forgot to tell their customers that they needed to have the keys renewed frequently, or something.</p><p>The movie distributor was certainly able to deliver the movies (which are delivered by courier on AES-encrypted hard drives) on time, so if the actual physical movies could be delivered you'd think the key generator company that the movie could keep up by issuing one key for each drive physically delivered, and if those keys have to be generated each time the movie is shown you'd think they'd have that worked out.</p><p>I get the impression that the theaters (multiple, independent theaters across Germany were affected, not just one) have all been planning and looking forward to this for some time.  Th article indicates that they all received their copies of the movie they purchased in plenty of time, and copied them to their theater server well in advance, but that the keys turned out not to work when they hit PLAY.  But maybe this is the German equivalent of a RIAA/ASCAP thing where you buy the movie from one source and you have to buy the licenses to play it from an entirely different source, and the theaters didn't realize that the keys they originally got only worked for testing or something.</p><p>Still, with all the advance planning, and all the various theaters that were affected, I find it hard to believe that so many theaters who had planned screenings so far in advance would somehow "forget" to buy licenses to play it.  They had the physical movie, they had the glasses, they sold the tickets, and it sounds like they paid since the key distributor was able to get them the keys the next day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it 's hard to say why the key generator company was unable to produce enough valid licenses in time .
According to the article , the movie theaters had licenses but they turned out to be " no longer valid " on opening day .
I suspect that either " Deluxe " ( the key distributor ) had a major systems failure and could n't regen the day 's licenses , or forgot to tell their customers that they needed to have the keys renewed frequently , or something.The movie distributor was certainly able to deliver the movies ( which are delivered by courier on AES-encrypted hard drives ) on time , so if the actual physical movies could be delivered you 'd think the key generator company that the movie could keep up by issuing one key for each drive physically delivered , and if those keys have to be generated each time the movie is shown you 'd think they 'd have that worked out.I get the impression that the theaters ( multiple , independent theaters across Germany were affected , not just one ) have all been planning and looking forward to this for some time .
Th article indicates that they all received their copies of the movie they purchased in plenty of time , and copied them to their theater server well in advance , but that the keys turned out not to work when they hit PLAY .
But maybe this is the German equivalent of a RIAA/ASCAP thing where you buy the movie from one source and you have to buy the licenses to play it from an entirely different source , and the theaters did n't realize that the keys they originally got only worked for testing or something.Still , with all the advance planning , and all the various theaters that were affected , I find it hard to believe that so many theaters who had planned screenings so far in advance would somehow " forget " to buy licenses to play it .
They had the physical movie , they had the glasses , they sold the tickets , and it sounds like they paid since the key distributor was able to get them the keys the next day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it's hard to say why the key generator company was unable to produce enough valid licenses in time.
According to the article, the movie theaters had licenses but they turned out to be "no longer valid" on opening day.
I suspect that either "Deluxe" (the key distributor) had a major systems failure and couldn't regen the day's licenses, or forgot to tell their customers that they needed to have the keys renewed frequently, or something.The movie distributor was certainly able to deliver the movies (which are delivered by courier on AES-encrypted hard drives) on time, so if the actual physical movies could be delivered you'd think the key generator company that the movie could keep up by issuing one key for each drive physically delivered, and if those keys have to be generated each time the movie is shown you'd think they'd have that worked out.I get the impression that the theaters (multiple, independent theaters across Germany were affected, not just one) have all been planning and looking forward to this for some time.
Th article indicates that they all received their copies of the movie they purchased in plenty of time, and copied them to their theater server well in advance, but that the keys turned out not to work when they hit PLAY.
But maybe this is the German equivalent of a RIAA/ASCAP thing where you buy the movie from one source and you have to buy the licenses to play it from an entirely different source, and the theaters didn't realize that the keys they originally got only worked for testing or something.Still, with all the advance planning, and all the various theaters that were affected, I find it hard to believe that so many theaters who had planned screenings so far in advance would somehow "forget" to buy licenses to play it.
They had the physical movie, they had the glasses, they sold the tickets, and it sounds like they paid since the key distributor was able to get them the keys the next day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30480606</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261050360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Poster is misinformed. Plaintext d-cinema is used all the time for short stuff no one cares about ("let's all go to the lobby!").</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Poster is misinformed .
Plaintext d-cinema is used all the time for short stuff no one cares about ( " let 's all go to the lobby !
" ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Poster is misinformed.
Plaintext d-cinema is used all the time for short stuff no one cares about ("let's all go to the lobby!
").</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478160</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479828</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing, too..</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1261047000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, this was the first time I wasn&rsquo;t checked for any camera. With a sixpack of pepsi, some sweets and chips in my bag. *fat grin*</p><p>Because: There&rsquo;s no point in preventing it to be filmed, unless you got a camera that has two properly polarized lenses. (Actually, one polarized filter suffices. Thehehee...)</p><p>(I don&rsquo;t get why anyone would ruin the whole experience, by watching some crappy cammed film with a mic recording, anyway. I even know people, who thought the movie was crap, <em>solely</em> because of them watching it that way.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , this was the first time I wasn    t checked for any camera .
With a sixpack of pepsi , some sweets and chips in my bag .
* fat grin * Because : There    s no point in preventing it to be filmed , unless you got a camera that has two properly polarized lenses .
( Actually , one polarized filter suffices .
Thehehee... ) ( I don    t get why anyone would ruin the whole experience , by watching some crappy cammed film with a mic recording , anyway .
I even know people , who thought the movie was crap , solely because of them watching it that way .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, this was the first time I wasn’t checked for any camera.
With a sixpack of pepsi, some sweets and chips in my bag.
*fat grin*Because: There’s no point in preventing it to be filmed, unless you got a camera that has two properly polarized lenses.
(Actually, one polarized filter suffices.
Thehehee...)(I don’t get why anyone would ruin the whole experience, by watching some crappy cammed film with a mic recording, anyway.
I even know people, who thought the movie was crap, solely because of them watching it that way.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30482818</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261063860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That whole notion of "free publicity" is lame and overused by cheap-ass people to mitigate piracy.  They don't want your "advertising", they do just fine with that on their own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That whole notion of " free publicity " is lame and overused by cheap-ass people to mitigate piracy .
They do n't want your " advertising " , they do just fine with that on their own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That whole notion of "free publicity" is lame and overused by cheap-ass people to mitigate piracy.
They don't want your "advertising", they do just fine with that on their own.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30541272</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>Profane MuthaFucka</author>
	<datestamp>1259767980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could you be more specific about what you object to about me.</p><p>Are you offended that I unashamedly declare Jesus Christ to be my Lord and Savior?</p><p>Or are you offended that I declare that Ronald Reagan was the greatest president we have ever had?</p><p>Tell me why you foed me. Be specific.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could you be more specific about what you object to about me.Are you offended that I unashamedly declare Jesus Christ to be my Lord and Savior ? Or are you offended that I declare that Ronald Reagan was the greatest president we have ever had ? Tell me why you foed me .
Be specific .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could you be more specific about what you object to about me.Are you offended that I unashamedly declare Jesus Christ to be my Lord and Savior?Or are you offended that I declare that Ronald Reagan was the greatest president we have ever had?Tell me why you foed me.
Be specific.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478964</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>photomonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1261044000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sadly, what they'll <em>understand</em> is that they suffered a minor to moderate inconvenience, to which a seemingly acceptable resolution was offered.</p><p>There may be no understanding beyond "technical problem."</p><p>And while I'm sure the studio isn't happy, they'll still probably get money from every single person that showed up to the movie.  So they'll have something to talk about as they drive the big truck full of money to the bank.</p><p>Of course, there are some exceptions to that model, and this is coming from a guy whose last several moviegoing experiences have been so unpleasant that I have not set foot in a movie theater in almost four years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly , what they 'll understand is that they suffered a minor to moderate inconvenience , to which a seemingly acceptable resolution was offered.There may be no understanding beyond " technical problem .
" And while I 'm sure the studio is n't happy , they 'll still probably get money from every single person that showed up to the movie .
So they 'll have something to talk about as they drive the big truck full of money to the bank.Of course , there are some exceptions to that model , and this is coming from a guy whose last several moviegoing experiences have been so unpleasant that I have not set foot in a movie theater in almost four years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly, what they'll understand is that they suffered a minor to moderate inconvenience, to which a seemingly acceptable resolution was offered.There may be no understanding beyond "technical problem.
"And while I'm sure the studio isn't happy, they'll still probably get money from every single person that showed up to the movie.
So they'll have something to talk about as they drive the big truck full of money to the bank.Of course, there are some exceptions to that model, and this is coming from a guy whose last several moviegoing experiences have been so unpleasant that I have not set foot in a movie theater in almost four years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479974</id>
	<title>Re:Avatards</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261047660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like a nice USB stick with keys on it in my ass! The only thing I like more, is two dozen of them in it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like a nice USB stick with keys on it in my ass !
The only thing I like more , is two dozen of them in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like a nice USB stick with keys on it in my ass!
The only thing I like more, is two dozen of them in it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30481510</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261055700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>BTW you all have my heartfelt apologies for the apostrophe abuse in the above post.</htmltext>
<tokenext>BTW you all have my heartfelt apologies for the apostrophe abuse in the above post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BTW you all have my heartfelt apologies for the apostrophe abuse in the above post.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30484632</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261129500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>keygen for a movie? wtf?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>keygen for a movie ?
wtf ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>keygen for a movie?
wtf?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30484814</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>SharpFang</author>
	<datestamp>1261131000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's one more thing.</p><p>Most of the millions of people decided your moie is hopeless utter crap. These who would buy the DVD or go to the theaters from curiosity, won't, because they know it isn't nearly worth the money. These are lost sales to people who can't be suckered into buying your crap.</p><p>Oh noes! Piracy is killing the cinematography!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's one more thing.Most of the millions of people decided your moie is hopeless utter crap .
These who would buy the DVD or go to the theaters from curiosity , wo n't , because they know it is n't nearly worth the money .
These are lost sales to people who ca n't be suckered into buying your crap.Oh noes !
Piracy is killing the cinematography !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's one more thing.Most of the millions of people decided your moie is hopeless utter crap.
These who would buy the DVD or go to the theaters from curiosity, won't, because they know it isn't nearly worth the money.
These are lost sales to people who can't be suckered into buying your crap.Oh noes!
Piracy is killing the cinematography!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477684</id>
	<title>No Fate But What We Make For Ourselves...</title>
	<author>d474</author>
	<datestamp>1261082520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>James Cameron was right when he said Avatar is the FUTURE of movies to come: DRM'd to the crippling point.</htmltext>
<tokenext>James Cameron was right when he said Avatar is the FUTURE of movies to come : DRM 'd to the crippling point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>James Cameron was right when he said Avatar is the FUTURE of movies to come: DRM'd to the crippling point.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478842</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>pnewhook</author>
	<datestamp>1261043580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do realize this is not a problem with DRM, but with some lowly paid employee not bothering to do their job properly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do realize this is not a problem with DRM , but with some lowly paid employee not bothering to do their job properly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do realize this is not a problem with DRM, but with some lowly paid employee not bothering to do their job properly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30480754</id>
	<title>Re:No Fate But What We Make For Ourselves...</title>
	<author>jo42</author>
	<datestamp>1261051020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing about "Avatar" is it only needs a 'd' to be come "Avatard"...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing about " Avatar " is it only needs a 'd ' to be come " Avatard " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing about "Avatar" is it only needs a 'd' to be come "Avatard"...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477684</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479240</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261044900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is actually not true, I worked for a certain large, three letter cinema chain for a number of years, and we would routinely be delivered one hard drive containing one copy of a movie we were playing on multiple screens.  The \_license\_ files ARE restricted to a certain server/projector/movie file/sound processor/essentially every electronic device related to showing the film combination, however.</p><p>Essentially the entire system is designed to prevent projection staff from making high-quality pirated copies of movies days before the film is released, which is practically impossible in the case of a 3D film for a wide variety of reasons, not the least of which is the 144 frames per second it plays at (72 frames per second for both eyes) and even if you have a camera that can sync with the output of the projector, the polarization specs aren't exactly common knowledge.</p><p>Oh, and forget cracking the DRM and pirating the raw MPEG, the files run in the hundreds of gigabytes for a 90 minute film.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is actually not true , I worked for a certain large , three letter cinema chain for a number of years , and we would routinely be delivered one hard drive containing one copy of a movie we were playing on multiple screens .
The \ _license \ _ files ARE restricted to a certain server/projector/movie file/sound processor/essentially every electronic device related to showing the film combination , however.Essentially the entire system is designed to prevent projection staff from making high-quality pirated copies of movies days before the film is released , which is practically impossible in the case of a 3D film for a wide variety of reasons , not the least of which is the 144 frames per second it plays at ( 72 frames per second for both eyes ) and even if you have a camera that can sync with the output of the projector , the polarization specs are n't exactly common knowledge.Oh , and forget cracking the DRM and pirating the raw MPEG , the files run in the hundreds of gigabytes for a 90 minute film .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is actually not true, I worked for a certain large, three letter cinema chain for a number of years, and we would routinely be delivered one hard drive containing one copy of a movie we were playing on multiple screens.
The \_license\_ files ARE restricted to a certain server/projector/movie file/sound processor/essentially every electronic device related to showing the film combination, however.Essentially the entire system is designed to prevent projection staff from making high-quality pirated copies of movies days before the film is released, which is practically impossible in the case of a 3D film for a wide variety of reasons, not the least of which is the 144 frames per second it plays at (72 frames per second for both eyes) and even if you have a camera that can sync with the output of the projector, the polarization specs aren't exactly common knowledge.Oh, and forget cracking the DRM and pirating the raw MPEG, the files run in the hundreds of gigabytes for a 90 minute film.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478160</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478392</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>value\_added</author>
	<datestamp>1261041780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>don't want to be the one modded to hell and back for saying it, but isn't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM?</i></p><p>Consider an alcoholic who beats his wife.  Is the problem that he beats his wife (with a solution that he signs up for marriage counseling), or that he can't stop drinking?</p><p>Say he also doesn't pay his bills on time.  When the gas or electric get shut off and the kids don't get fed, what's the problem?  That the kids are hungry, that he doesn't have enough money, that he didn't find a sympathetic ear at the utility company, or that he can't stop drinking?</p><p>Microsoft routinely brushes off Windows activation "issues" with an implicit argument that it's an implementation snafu.  Your argument is the same.   Personally, I think it misses the point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>do n't want to be the one modded to hell and back for saying it , but is n't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM ? Consider an alcoholic who beats his wife .
Is the problem that he beats his wife ( with a solution that he signs up for marriage counseling ) , or that he ca n't stop drinking ? Say he also does n't pay his bills on time .
When the gas or electric get shut off and the kids do n't get fed , what 's the problem ?
That the kids are hungry , that he does n't have enough money , that he did n't find a sympathetic ear at the utility company , or that he ca n't stop drinking ? Microsoft routinely brushes off Windows activation " issues " with an implicit argument that it 's an implementation snafu .
Your argument is the same .
Personally , I think it misses the point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>don't want to be the one modded to hell and back for saying it, but isn't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM?Consider an alcoholic who beats his wife.
Is the problem that he beats his wife (with a solution that he signs up for marriage counseling), or that he can't stop drinking?Say he also doesn't pay his bills on time.
When the gas or electric get shut off and the kids don't get fed, what's the problem?
That the kids are hungry, that he doesn't have enough money, that he didn't find a sympathetic ear at the utility company, or that he can't stop drinking?Microsoft routinely brushes off Windows activation "issues" with an implicit argument that it's an implementation snafu.
Your argument is the same.
Personally, I think it misses the point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477628</id>
	<title>Keygen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261082340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Once again the pirates solve a problem that shouldn't be there in the first place: <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=avatar+keygen" title="google.co.uk">http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=avatar+keygen</a> [google.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once again the pirates solve a problem that should n't be there in the first place : http : //www.google.co.uk/search ? q = avatar + keygen [ google.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once again the pirates solve a problem that shouldn't be there in the first place: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=avatar+keygen [google.co.uk]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30482298</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1261060200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"No it isn't you insensitive clod I make my living from those films thank you very much."</p><p>On percentage of theater revenue or are you on salary?</p><p>If the first, you don't need my money.</p><p>If the second, you get paid no matter what I do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" No it is n't you insensitive clod I make my living from those films thank you very much .
" On percentage of theater revenue or are you on salary ? If the first , you do n't need my money.If the second , you get paid no matter what I do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"No it isn't you insensitive clod I make my living from those films thank you very much.
"On percentage of theater revenue or are you on salary?If the first, you don't need my money.If the second, you get paid no matter what I do.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478692</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477530</id>
	<title>not surprising</title>
	<author>meerling</author>
	<datestamp>1261081920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe now some of the rank &amp; file will begin to understand the evils of pervasive DRM, even if only in Germany.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe now some of the rank &amp; file will begin to understand the evils of pervasive DRM , even if only in Germany .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe now some of the rank &amp; file will begin to understand the evils of pervasive DRM, even if only in Germany.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30481416</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261055100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Most of these millions of people wouldn't have paid to see in the first place. Lets say a few thousand that would have paid to see your picture don't because they found it for free yes, this costs you real money</p></div></blockquote><p>Unless you're paying them to watch the movie, it isn't a cost. You might as well argue that Pepsi is costing Coca Cola money, because some people aren't paying Coca Cola for their softdrinks.</p><p>I didn't get the last pay-raise. That's not costing me money. I'm just not getting as much money as I could have gotten.</p><p>Now, if they are downloading it off of my own website (pay what you want), it IS costing me money if they don't pay, but otherwise it is, at most, reduced revenue. That isn't to say it isn't a problem, but it isn't a cost (i.e. expenditure).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of these millions of people would n't have paid to see in the first place .
Lets say a few thousand that would have paid to see your picture do n't because they found it for free yes , this costs you real moneyUnless you 're paying them to watch the movie , it is n't a cost .
You might as well argue that Pepsi is costing Coca Cola money , because some people are n't paying Coca Cola for their softdrinks.I did n't get the last pay-raise .
That 's not costing me money .
I 'm just not getting as much money as I could have gotten.Now , if they are downloading it off of my own website ( pay what you want ) , it IS costing me money if they do n't pay , but otherwise it is , at most , reduced revenue .
That is n't to say it is n't a problem , but it is n't a cost ( i.e .
expenditure ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of these millions of people wouldn't have paid to see in the first place.
Lets say a few thousand that would have paid to see your picture don't because they found it for free yes, this costs you real moneyUnless you're paying them to watch the movie, it isn't a cost.
You might as well argue that Pepsi is costing Coca Cola money, because some people aren't paying Coca Cola for their softdrinks.I didn't get the last pay-raise.
That's not costing me money.
I'm just not getting as much money as I could have gotten.Now, if they are downloading it off of my own website (pay what you want), it IS costing me money if they don't pay, but otherwise it is, at most, reduced revenue.
That isn't to say it isn't a problem, but it isn't a cost (i.e.
expenditure).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479318</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30483482</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261070100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed, in even worst case scenario. e.g. Gigli<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...  Even they made money due to piracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed , in even worst case scenario .
e.g. Gigli ... Even they made money due to piracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed, in even worst case scenario.
e.g. Gigli ...  Even they made money due to piracy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479318</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478808</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1261043400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The first run place I go is still film.  If you are in the middle in the top 5 rows, you can hear it going clickety clickety.</p><p>The image is still superior to digital for me.  There's no "grid".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first run place I go is still film .
If you are in the middle in the top 5 rows , you can hear it going clickety clickety.The image is still superior to digital for me .
There 's no " grid " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first run place I go is still film.
If you are in the middle in the top 5 rows, you can hear it going clickety clickety.The image is still superior to digital for me.
There's no "grid".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477922</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Golddess</author>
	<datestamp>1261083360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>isn't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM?  I understand this wouldn't exist if there were no DRM, but then the theater would still not have paid for the rights to show the movie.</p></div><p>Wait, what?  If DRM didn't exist, why do you think the theater wouldn't have the permission of the rights holders (either through payment as you suggest, or however the system works) to play the movie?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>is n't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM ?
I understand this would n't exist if there were no DRM , but then the theater would still not have paid for the rights to show the movie.Wait , what ?
If DRM did n't exist , why do you think the theater would n't have the permission of the rights holders ( either through payment as you suggest , or however the system works ) to play the movie ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>isn't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM?
I understand this wouldn't exist if there were no DRM, but then the theater would still not have paid for the rights to show the movie.Wait, what?
If DRM didn't exist, why do you think the theater wouldn't have the permission of the rights holders (either through payment as you suggest, or however the system works) to play the movie?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477714</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30480770</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261051080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Best-laid plans of mice and men<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>Obligatory <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVmV7uy8Xqk" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Eddie Izzard video</a> [youtube.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Best-laid plans of mice and men ...Obligatory Eddie Izzard video [ youtube.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Best-laid plans of mice and men ...Obligatory Eddie Izzard video [youtube.com].
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477510</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477544</id>
	<title>And...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261081980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477552</id>
	<title>DRM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261082040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a good thing that they allow us to manage our rights like this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a good thing that they allow us to manage our rights like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a good thing that they allow us to manage our rights like this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30483012</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>timlyg</author>
	<datestamp>1261065480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oooo I love those keys.<br>When can I get the key for hotdog? for hamburger? for Chuckycheese?<br>I just feel bad eating these without them keys everytime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oooo I love those keys.When can I get the key for hotdog ?
for hamburger ?
for Chuckycheese ? I just feel bad eating these without them keys everytime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oooo I love those keys.When can I get the key for hotdog?
for hamburger?
for Chuckycheese?I just feel bad eating these without them keys everytime.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477510</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30480796</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>spire3661</author>
	<datestamp>1261051200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am as anti CONSUMER DRM as they come, but this is a normal mistake in a supply chain. Its no different then some item not being shipped because no one was qualified to ship it or whatever. This is not at all relational to consumer level DRM.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am as anti CONSUMER DRM as they come , but this is a normal mistake in a supply chain .
Its no different then some item not being shipped because no one was qualified to ship it or whatever .
This is not at all relational to consumer level DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am as anti CONSUMER DRM as they come, but this is a normal mistake in a supply chain.
Its no different then some item not being shipped because no one was qualified to ship it or whatever.
This is not at all relational to consumer level DRM.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477530</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30484846</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>bickerdyke</author>
	<datestamp>1261131600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No.</p><p>the cinemas BOUGHT the proper licences, but the distributor didn't deliver them.</p><p>When that happens with real film (I'm sure it does. Reels get damaged, stolen, cars break down.. whatever), you'll know it by wednsday and may change your programming for the weekend. Let tit happen with DRM and you've gotta explain to a angry mob why you sold tickets to a movie you won't show.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No.the cinemas BOUGHT the proper licences , but the distributor did n't deliver them.When that happens with real film ( I 'm sure it does .
Reels get damaged , stolen , cars break down.. whatever ) , you 'll know it by wednsday and may change your programming for the weekend .
Let tit happen with DRM and you 've got ta explain to a angry mob why you sold tickets to a movie you wo n't show .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.the cinemas BOUGHT the proper licences, but the distributor didn't deliver them.When that happens with real film (I'm sure it does.
Reels get damaged, stolen, cars break down.. whatever), you'll know it by wednsday and may change your programming for the weekend.
Let tit happen with DRM and you've gotta explain to a angry mob why you sold tickets to a movie you won't show.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477714</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478102</id>
	<title>Given all the reviews I have seen ..</title>
	<author>OzPeter</author>
	<datestamp>1261040700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This should been a welcomed effect of DRM.      Everyone is basically saying "pretty pictures, but the story sucks", and at almost 3 hours long I'd hate to be stuck in the cinema wading through that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This should been a welcomed effect of DRM .
Everyone is basically saying " pretty pictures , but the story sucks " , and at almost 3 hours long I 'd hate to be stuck in the cinema wading through that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This should been a welcomed effect of DRM.
Everyone is basically saying "pretty pictures, but the story sucks", and at almost 3 hours long I'd hate to be stuck in the cinema wading through that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477748</id>
	<title>Fools</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261082700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All these content companies clinging so tightly to their precious DRM. They <i>think</i> that they're protecting their income stream, but I think they're really just pissing it away.</p><p>Eventually people are going to get fed up with having to navigate the endless tangles of DRM, and will decide it's just not worth the hassle just to see the latest crappy movie or hear the latest crappy over-compressed music album.</p><p>I'm already there. I don't bother with any media that requires me to fuss with DRM just to view/listen to it, or to exercise my fair use rights (backup copies, etc). If that means I have to completely stop buying movies/music/software/ebooks/etc, then I'm perfectly fine with that. I won't miss it. There's enough free stuff out there that's just as good, if not better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All these content companies clinging so tightly to their precious DRM .
They think that they 're protecting their income stream , but I think they 're really just pissing it away.Eventually people are going to get fed up with having to navigate the endless tangles of DRM , and will decide it 's just not worth the hassle just to see the latest crappy movie or hear the latest crappy over-compressed music album.I 'm already there .
I do n't bother with any media that requires me to fuss with DRM just to view/listen to it , or to exercise my fair use rights ( backup copies , etc ) .
If that means I have to completely stop buying movies/music/software/ebooks/etc , then I 'm perfectly fine with that .
I wo n't miss it .
There 's enough free stuff out there that 's just as good , if not better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All these content companies clinging so tightly to their precious DRM.
They think that they're protecting their income stream, but I think they're really just pissing it away.Eventually people are going to get fed up with having to navigate the endless tangles of DRM, and will decide it's just not worth the hassle just to see the latest crappy movie or hear the latest crappy over-compressed music album.I'm already there.
I don't bother with any media that requires me to fuss with DRM just to view/listen to it, or to exercise my fair use rights (backup copies, etc).
If that means I have to completely stop buying movies/music/software/ebooks/etc, then I'm perfectly fine with that.
I won't miss it.
There's enough free stuff out there that's just as good, if not better.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477660</id>
	<title>Safe from piracy this way.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261082460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, at least the movie remained safe from those evil pirates!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , at least the movie remained safe from those evil pirates !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, at least the movie remained safe from those evil pirates!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30484894</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>SharpFang</author>
	<datestamp>1261132200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The keyword is <b>"the proper licenses."</b></p><p>We generally assume this is the license issued by the distributor upon providing the payment.</p><p>Unfortunately, in reality it means it's the license which the protection system accepts as valid.</p><p>And the overlap over the above two is definitely less than the 100\% you'd hope for. If your company buys 1000 licenses for Windows, you can be -sure- about 5 of them will be invalid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The keyword is " the proper licenses .
" We generally assume this is the license issued by the distributor upon providing the payment.Unfortunately , in reality it means it 's the license which the protection system accepts as valid.And the overlap over the above two is definitely less than the 100 \ % you 'd hope for .
If your company buys 1000 licenses for Windows , you can be -sure- about 5 of them will be invalid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The keyword is "the proper licenses.
"We generally assume this is the license issued by the distributor upon providing the payment.Unfortunately, in reality it means it's the license which the protection system accepts as valid.And the overlap over the above two is definitely less than the 100\% you'd hope for.
If your company buys 1000 licenses for Windows, you can be -sure- about 5 of them will be invalid.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477868</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478442</id>
	<title>Actually, this is the movie industry's clever plan</title>
	<author>sehlat</author>
	<datestamp>1261042020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just pay. We don't give a damn if you watch it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just pay .
We do n't give a damn if you watch it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just pay.
We don't give a damn if you watch it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479850</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1261047120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't care what you think of it we are not shipping first run theatrical resolution films unencrypted.  Get over it people at this level encryption is here to stay.</p></div><p>What's interesting is that, once again, DRM is only affecting legitimately paying customers.</p><p>In this case somebody ripped a screener copy of the movie a couple weeks ago, so this first run theatrical resolution film isn't terribly interesting to the pirates anymore.  Anybody who wants to grab a pirated copy of the movie has been able to do so for a little while now.  They don't need this DRM-laden film.</p><p>The folks who <b>do</b> need this DRM-laden film are the theater owners who are trying to show the movie to their patrons.  And they have, presumably, acquired their copy of the movie through legitimate means.  Which is why the lack of a key to the DRM matters to them.  If they were using a pirated copy they wouldn't be having any trouble showing it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't care what you think of it we are not shipping first run theatrical resolution films unencrypted .
Get over it people at this level encryption is here to stay.What 's interesting is that , once again , DRM is only affecting legitimately paying customers.In this case somebody ripped a screener copy of the movie a couple weeks ago , so this first run theatrical resolution film is n't terribly interesting to the pirates anymore .
Anybody who wants to grab a pirated copy of the movie has been able to do so for a little while now .
They do n't need this DRM-laden film.The folks who do need this DRM-laden film are the theater owners who are trying to show the movie to their patrons .
And they have , presumably , acquired their copy of the movie through legitimate means .
Which is why the lack of a key to the DRM matters to them .
If they were using a pirated copy they would n't be having any trouble showing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't care what you think of it we are not shipping first run theatrical resolution films unencrypted.
Get over it people at this level encryption is here to stay.What's interesting is that, once again, DRM is only affecting legitimately paying customers.In this case somebody ripped a screener copy of the movie a couple weeks ago, so this first run theatrical resolution film isn't terribly interesting to the pirates anymore.
Anybody who wants to grab a pirated copy of the movie has been able to do so for a little while now.
They don't need this DRM-laden film.The folks who do need this DRM-laden film are the theater owners who are trying to show the movie to their patrons.
And they have, presumably, acquired their copy of the movie through legitimate means.
Which is why the lack of a key to the DRM matters to them.
If they were using a pirated copy they wouldn't be having any trouble showing it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478840</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261043580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Alright, just a minute.  Providing a link to google "avatar keygen" is complete bullshit.  95\% of that is automatically generated nonsense.  You can type in "any\_string\_of\_characters" and "keygen" and get literally thousands of results for supposed key generators.  They're usually just links to places that want you to pay to download some nonsense, or more often, they're malware downloads.<br><br>Here's evidence:<br>http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=asdfasdf+keygen&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=</htmltext>
<tokenext>Alright , just a minute .
Providing a link to google " avatar keygen " is complete bullshit .
95 \ % of that is automatically generated nonsense .
You can type in " any \ _string \ _of \ _characters " and " keygen " and get literally thousands of results for supposed key generators .
They 're usually just links to places that want you to pay to download some nonsense , or more often , they 're malware downloads.Here 's evidence : http : //www.google.co.uk/search ? hl = en&amp;q = asdfasdf + keygen&amp;btnG = Search&amp;meta = &amp;aq = f&amp;oq =</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alright, just a minute.
Providing a link to google "avatar keygen" is complete bullshit.
95\% of that is automatically generated nonsense.
You can type in "any\_string\_of\_characters" and "keygen" and get literally thousands of results for supposed key generators.
They're usually just links to places that want you to pay to download some nonsense, or more often, they're malware downloads.Here's evidence:http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=asdfasdf+keygen&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30502792</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261301520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is a perfect example. The DRM was broken so quickly, keys were available online http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=avatar+keygen [google.co.uk] so pirates were not inconvenienced</p></div><p>Wait, what?</p><p>1) Not only is that search result completely bogus, as Mr. Freeman explains, but what exactly do you think a keygen would be needed for? Unless movies have begun to require serial keys, such as those with games, no movies uploaded to torrent sites need one. And any DRM restriction(if any existed for it) is completely removed by the ripping team before made available as it is.</p><p>2) The only decent results under "Avatar" on torrent sites are Telesync and Cam. Both of which mean the movie was recorded with a camera, thus DRM doesn't even enter the equation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a perfect example .
The DRM was broken so quickly , keys were available online http : //www.google.co.uk/search ? q = avatar + keygen [ google.co.uk ] so pirates were not inconveniencedWait , what ? 1 ) Not only is that search result completely bogus , as Mr. Freeman explains , but what exactly do you think a keygen would be needed for ?
Unless movies have begun to require serial keys , such as those with games , no movies uploaded to torrent sites need one .
And any DRM restriction ( if any existed for it ) is completely removed by the ripping team before made available as it is.2 ) The only decent results under " Avatar " on torrent sites are Telesync and Cam .
Both of which mean the movie was recorded with a camera , thus DRM does n't even enter the equation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a perfect example.
The DRM was broken so quickly, keys were available online http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=avatar+keygen [google.co.uk] so pirates were not inconveniencedWait, what?1) Not only is that search result completely bogus, as Mr. Freeman explains, but what exactly do you think a keygen would be needed for?
Unless movies have begun to require serial keys, such as those with games, no movies uploaded to torrent sites need one.
And any DRM restriction(if any existed for it) is completely removed by the ripping team before made available as it is.2) The only decent results under "Avatar" on torrent sites are Telesync and Cam.
Both of which mean the movie was recorded with a camera, thus DRM doesn't even enter the equation.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30481802</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I think this will just add fuel?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261057080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whenever they bitch about that kind of thing I can't help but wonder why anyone actually takes these people seriously.</p><p>When they give Tom Cruise $70,000,000 to make a rather craptastic movie, don't they kind of lose their right to complain about losing money to the Internet?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whenever they bitch about that kind of thing I ca n't help but wonder why anyone actually takes these people seriously.When they give Tom Cruise $ 70,000,000 to make a rather craptastic movie , do n't they kind of lose their right to complain about losing money to the Internet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whenever they bitch about that kind of thing I can't help but wonder why anyone actually takes these people seriously.When they give Tom Cruise $70,000,000 to make a rather craptastic movie, don't they kind of lose their right to complain about losing money to the Internet?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30482096</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>rjmars97</author>
	<datestamp>1261058820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll see your QWERTY and raise you a Dvorak:

<a href="http://www.google.com/#hl=en&amp;source=hp&amp;q=aoeuaoeu+keygen&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=&amp;oq=&amp;fp=b36c7832dbb01be6" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/#hl=en&amp;source=hp&amp;q=aoeuaoeu+keygen&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=&amp;oq=&amp;fp=b36c7832dbb01be6</a> [google.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll see your QWERTY and raise you a Dvorak : http : //www.google.com/ # hl = en&amp;source = hp&amp;q = aoeuaoeu + keygen&amp;aq = f&amp;aqi = &amp;oq = &amp;fp = b36c7832dbb01be6 [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll see your QWERTY and raise you a Dvorak:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&amp;source=hp&amp;q=aoeuaoeu+keygen&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=&amp;oq=&amp;fp=b36c7832dbb01be6 [google.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478666</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261042980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Noteworthy in that it exemplifies a very real problem with DRM. They did pay for the licenses but the supplier of the license basically withheld the license and therefore the customer got screwed. This has come up many times as a theoretical question: What do you do when the validator of the license no longer exists, changes their rules or is unwilling to validate your license (or in this case incapable of) ?</p><p>You're screwed. That's the answer.</p><p>What people have to understand is what "Digital Rights Management" actually means. When we hear the word "right" we always think about "our rights" not the other party's rights (unless they belong to the same peer group.) So for instance, if I talk about providing "right to free speech" you are happy because you assume it includes you as a recipent of that right. We are biased to assume that rights are universal. (inalienable, etc.) That we all share the same rights. That an increased number, strength or quality of rights is better.Basically we will tend to support any right because we are subconciously programmed to believe it benefits us.</p><p>The proponents of DRM are specifically using this psychology against us. They market their product with the term "rights" in order to make the intended audience/mark comfortable with their sales pitch/con game. Their "rights" yield to you NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL. What it does do is guarantee specifics rights for them which you cannot circumvent or otherwise deny or share in. What they ARE selling to you is "Digital *Restriction* management". In otherwords, you are agreeing to allow them to restrict what you can do with the product that you buy. And there is nothing that you can do to improve your position in the future should they change their mind or cease to exist. This is true whether or not legal issues change as well. For instance, let's say that you were convicted and jail for alcohol sales during prohibition. The law changes and it is no longer a crime. However you don't get let out of jail because your key/license was crafted without that right. Basically if things change in your favor the license does not automatically change for you.</p><p>The United States has a Bill of Rights and the citizens generally hold this to be a significant factor in the quality and justice of the United States. Imagine how low we would think of a country who's government was based on a "Bill of Restrictions". A description of limited abilities that the government allows, arbitrarily or to the benefit of its politicians/dictators. Well that is *exactly* the relationship of DRM. It is truly Digital Restriction Management.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Noteworthy in that it exemplifies a very real problem with DRM .
They did pay for the licenses but the supplier of the license basically withheld the license and therefore the customer got screwed .
This has come up many times as a theoretical question : What do you do when the validator of the license no longer exists , changes their rules or is unwilling to validate your license ( or in this case incapable of ) ? You 're screwed .
That 's the answer.What people have to understand is what " Digital Rights Management " actually means .
When we hear the word " right " we always think about " our rights " not the other party 's rights ( unless they belong to the same peer group .
) So for instance , if I talk about providing " right to free speech " you are happy because you assume it includes you as a recipent of that right .
We are biased to assume that rights are universal .
( inalienable , etc .
) That we all share the same rights .
That an increased number , strength or quality of rights is better.Basically we will tend to support any right because we are subconciously programmed to believe it benefits us.The proponents of DRM are specifically using this psychology against us .
They market their product with the term " rights " in order to make the intended audience/mark comfortable with their sales pitch/con game .
Their " rights " yield to you NOTHING .
NOTHING AT ALL .
What it does do is guarantee specifics rights for them which you can not circumvent or otherwise deny or share in .
What they ARE selling to you is " Digital * Restriction * management " .
In otherwords , you are agreeing to allow them to restrict what you can do with the product that you buy .
And there is nothing that you can do to improve your position in the future should they change their mind or cease to exist .
This is true whether or not legal issues change as well .
For instance , let 's say that you were convicted and jail for alcohol sales during prohibition .
The law changes and it is no longer a crime .
However you do n't get let out of jail because your key/license was crafted without that right .
Basically if things change in your favor the license does not automatically change for you.The United States has a Bill of Rights and the citizens generally hold this to be a significant factor in the quality and justice of the United States .
Imagine how low we would think of a country who 's government was based on a " Bill of Restrictions " .
A description of limited abilities that the government allows , arbitrarily or to the benefit of its politicians/dictators .
Well that is * exactly * the relationship of DRM .
It is truly Digital Restriction Management .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Noteworthy in that it exemplifies a very real problem with DRM.
They did pay for the licenses but the supplier of the license basically withheld the license and therefore the customer got screwed.
This has come up many times as a theoretical question: What do you do when the validator of the license no longer exists, changes their rules or is unwilling to validate your license (or in this case incapable of) ?You're screwed.
That's the answer.What people have to understand is what "Digital Rights Management" actually means.
When we hear the word "right" we always think about "our rights" not the other party's rights (unless they belong to the same peer group.
) So for instance, if I talk about providing "right to free speech" you are happy because you assume it includes you as a recipent of that right.
We are biased to assume that rights are universal.
(inalienable, etc.
) That we all share the same rights.
That an increased number, strength or quality of rights is better.Basically we will tend to support any right because we are subconciously programmed to believe it benefits us.The proponents of DRM are specifically using this psychology against us.
They market their product with the term "rights" in order to make the intended audience/mark comfortable with their sales pitch/con game.
Their "rights" yield to you NOTHING.
NOTHING AT ALL.
What it does do is guarantee specifics rights for them which you cannot circumvent or otherwise deny or share in.
What they ARE selling to you is "Digital *Restriction* management".
In otherwords, you are agreeing to allow them to restrict what you can do with the product that you buy.
And there is nothing that you can do to improve your position in the future should they change their mind or cease to exist.
This is true whether or not legal issues change as well.
For instance, let's say that you were convicted and jail for alcohol sales during prohibition.
The law changes and it is no longer a crime.
However you don't get let out of jail because your key/license was crafted without that right.
Basically if things change in your favor the license does not automatically change for you.The United States has a Bill of Rights and the citizens generally hold this to be a significant factor in the quality and justice of the United States.
Imagine how low we would think of a country who's government was based on a "Bill of Restrictions".
A description of limited abilities that the government allows, arbitrarily or to the benefit of its politicians/dictators.
Well that is *exactly* the relationship of DRM.
It is truly Digital Restriction Management.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477588</id>
	<title>Hah!</title>
	<author>MightyMartian</author>
	<datestamp>1261082160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Germany, DRM does you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Germany , DRM does you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Germany, DRM does you!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477550</id>
	<title>cocksuckers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261081980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stop whining about the fight against piracy, cocksmoking thieves!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop whining about the fight against piracy , cocksmoking thieves !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop whining about the fight against piracy, cocksmoking thieves!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478156</id>
	<title>non 3d Digital movies have the same DRM and with o</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1261040820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>non 3d Digital movies have the same DRM and with out the drm also some needed to do is have make a copy of that 150gb HDD to have a very High PQ copy of the movie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>non 3d Digital movies have the same DRM and with out the drm also some needed to do is have make a copy of that 150gb HDD to have a very High PQ copy of the movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>non 3d Digital movies have the same DRM and with out the drm also some needed to do is have make a copy of that 150gb HDD to have a very High PQ copy of the movie.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30484196</id>
	<title>Re:Give yourself 100\% discount</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261079160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't worry, nobody will be able to see this movie, even if they wanted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry , nobody will be able to see this movie , even if they wanted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry, nobody will be able to see this movie, even if they wanted.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477914</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1261083300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The key supplier, by the name Deluxe, was apparently unable to provide a sufficient number of valid keys in time.</p></div> </blockquote><p> The problem is that even if they did pay the proper royalties, the key generation system still wasn't capable of providing the needed keys.  It highlights the issue with DRM that it in no way benefits legal movie patrons.  At no point does anyone other than the greedy MPAA/RIAA scum benefit from it.  Perhaps even in this case, showing that DRM doesn't even benefit the content companies either.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The key supplier , by the name Deluxe , was apparently unable to provide a sufficient number of valid keys in time .
The problem is that even if they did pay the proper royalties , the key generation system still was n't capable of providing the needed keys .
It highlights the issue with DRM that it in no way benefits legal movie patrons .
At no point does anyone other than the greedy MPAA/RIAA scum benefit from it .
Perhaps even in this case , showing that DRM does n't even benefit the content companies either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The key supplier, by the name Deluxe, was apparently unable to provide a sufficient number of valid keys in time.
The problem is that even if they did pay the proper royalties, the key generation system still wasn't capable of providing the needed keys.
It highlights the issue with DRM that it in no way benefits legal movie patrons.
At no point does anyone other than the greedy MPAA/RIAA scum benefit from it.
Perhaps even in this case, showing that DRM doesn't even benefit the content companies either.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478510</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Noonian Soong</author>
	<datestamp>1261042320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, it is not a licensing problem. I read the German article and it clearly states that everyone paid, but the company providing the final keys (it is a process with several stages) could not produce the correct key. It was due to technical difficulties, not licensing issues.<br> <br>

Here is my non-Google translation of the important part that explains what went wrong technically (sorry for the slightly unidiomatic English; I tried to stay as close to the original as possible so that the text would not become my interpretation of the original):<br>
Apparently, the DRM-keys for the film files were the cause of the problem. The distributor of 20th Century Fox sends the JPEG2000-encoded and AES-128-encrypted movies on external hard drives via courier. After that, the data (in the case of Avatar 150 GByte) needs to be copied to the theater server. Each digital projector/server combination generates a different certificate and transmits it to the DRM service in charge. The DRM service creates an individual key for each movie and sends it back to the theater. The key is always only valid for one copy of the film as well as one projector and can be limited to specific time periods and times of day.<br> <br>

Yesterday (Wednesday), the transmission of the correct keys for the 3D screenings did apparently not work in several cases, though. Theater technicians tried for several hours to decrypt the gigantic pile of data, but apparently the service responsible for the digital distribution of the film, Deluxe, could not provide valid keys yesterday.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it is not a licensing problem .
I read the German article and it clearly states that everyone paid , but the company providing the final keys ( it is a process with several stages ) could not produce the correct key .
It was due to technical difficulties , not licensing issues .
Here is my non-Google translation of the important part that explains what went wrong technically ( sorry for the slightly unidiomatic English ; I tried to stay as close to the original as possible so that the text would not become my interpretation of the original ) : Apparently , the DRM-keys for the film files were the cause of the problem .
The distributor of 20th Century Fox sends the JPEG2000-encoded and AES-128-encrypted movies on external hard drives via courier .
After that , the data ( in the case of Avatar 150 GByte ) needs to be copied to the theater server .
Each digital projector/server combination generates a different certificate and transmits it to the DRM service in charge .
The DRM service creates an individual key for each movie and sends it back to the theater .
The key is always only valid for one copy of the film as well as one projector and can be limited to specific time periods and times of day .
Yesterday ( Wednesday ) , the transmission of the correct keys for the 3D screenings did apparently not work in several cases , though .
Theater technicians tried for several hours to decrypt the gigantic pile of data , but apparently the service responsible for the digital distribution of the film , Deluxe , could not provide valid keys yesterday .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it is not a licensing problem.
I read the German article and it clearly states that everyone paid, but the company providing the final keys (it is a process with several stages) could not produce the correct key.
It was due to technical difficulties, not licensing issues.
Here is my non-Google translation of the important part that explains what went wrong technically (sorry for the slightly unidiomatic English; I tried to stay as close to the original as possible so that the text would not become my interpretation of the original):
Apparently, the DRM-keys for the film files were the cause of the problem.
The distributor of 20th Century Fox sends the JPEG2000-encoded and AES-128-encrypted movies on external hard drives via courier.
After that, the data (in the case of Avatar 150 GByte) needs to be copied to the theater server.
Each digital projector/server combination generates a different certificate and transmits it to the DRM service in charge.
The DRM service creates an individual key for each movie and sends it back to the theater.
The key is always only valid for one copy of the film as well as one projector and can be limited to specific time periods and times of day.
Yesterday (Wednesday), the transmission of the correct keys for the 3D screenings did apparently not work in several cases, though.
Theater technicians tried for several hours to decrypt the gigantic pile of data, but apparently the service responsible for the digital distribution of the film, Deluxe, could not provide valid keys yesterday.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477868</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261083120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, a recurring theme in almost any kind of DRM (and content licensing in general) is the entire issue of knowing and acquiring "the proper licenses."</p><p>Did I buy enough Microsoft Client Access Licenses? Did I buy enough Oracle licenses for my upgraded machine with more cores? Did I buy the correct licenses for commercial use of this software? Is this DVD for a zone my player isn't licensed for?</p><p>To some extent, the DRM community hasn't completely succeeded yet in shaping all consumer behavior. The Content Provider's fondest dream is that every consumer reflexively asks "Am I licensed to [do|use|listen to|view] this copyrighted content? Should I be giving those nice Content Providers more money?"</p><p>So yeah, the problem was that the consumer didn't buy the right licenses. The problem behind the problem was "Why wasn't the consumer properly warned they weren't buying enough licenses for their needs? And why should that be possible?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , a recurring theme in almost any kind of DRM ( and content licensing in general ) is the entire issue of knowing and acquiring " the proper licenses .
" Did I buy enough Microsoft Client Access Licenses ?
Did I buy enough Oracle licenses for my upgraded machine with more cores ?
Did I buy the correct licenses for commercial use of this software ?
Is this DVD for a zone my player is n't licensed for ? To some extent , the DRM community has n't completely succeeded yet in shaping all consumer behavior .
The Content Provider 's fondest dream is that every consumer reflexively asks " Am I licensed to [ do | use | listen to | view ] this copyrighted content ?
Should I be giving those nice Content Providers more money ?
" So yeah , the problem was that the consumer did n't buy the right licenses .
The problem behind the problem was " Why was n't the consumer properly warned they were n't buying enough licenses for their needs ?
And why should that be possible ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, a recurring theme in almost any kind of DRM (and content licensing in general) is the entire issue of knowing and acquiring "the proper licenses.
"Did I buy enough Microsoft Client Access Licenses?
Did I buy enough Oracle licenses for my upgraded machine with more cores?
Did I buy the correct licenses for commercial use of this software?
Is this DVD for a zone my player isn't licensed for?To some extent, the DRM community hasn't completely succeeded yet in shaping all consumer behavior.
The Content Provider's fondest dream is that every consumer reflexively asks "Am I licensed to [do|use|listen to|view] this copyrighted content?
Should I be giving those nice Content Providers more money?
"So yeah, the problem was that the consumer didn't buy the right licenses.
The problem behind the problem was "Why wasn't the consumer properly warned they weren't buying enough licenses for their needs?
And why should that be possible?
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30481966</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1261058040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Most of these millions of people wouldn't have paid to see in the first place. Lets say a few thousand that would have paid to see your picture don't because they found it for free yes, this costs you real money</i> </p><p>You haven't shown any real numbers here.</p><p>But I would suggest it defies logic and experience that the geek would take a pass on the Hugo Award winning sci-fi blockbuster.</p><p>This was Wall-E's year - running in competition against the likes of Iron Man and The Joker - and better than this you don't get.</p><p><i>many of these people wouldn't have even known about your movie unless they found it online for free</i> </p><p>Unless you really have been living in grandma's basement all these years, you have heard all about Avatar.</p><p>The same could be said for any significant theatrical release by the majors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of these millions of people would n't have paid to see in the first place .
Lets say a few thousand that would have paid to see your picture do n't because they found it for free yes , this costs you real money You have n't shown any real numbers here.But I would suggest it defies logic and experience that the geek would take a pass on the Hugo Award winning sci-fi blockbuster.This was Wall-E 's year - running in competition against the likes of Iron Man and The Joker - and better than this you do n't get.many of these people would n't have even known about your movie unless they found it online for free Unless you really have been living in grandma 's basement all these years , you have heard all about Avatar.The same could be said for any significant theatrical release by the majors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of these millions of people wouldn't have paid to see in the first place.
Lets say a few thousand that would have paid to see your picture don't because they found it for free yes, this costs you real money You haven't shown any real numbers here.But I would suggest it defies logic and experience that the geek would take a pass on the Hugo Award winning sci-fi blockbuster.This was Wall-E's year - running in competition against the likes of Iron Man and The Joker - and better than this you don't get.many of these people wouldn't have even known about your movie unless they found it online for free Unless you really have been living in grandma's basement all these years, you have heard all about Avatar.The same could be said for any significant theatrical release by the majors.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478528</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261042380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just another reason to avoid theaters and download a ripped copy instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just another reason to avoid theaters and download a ripped copy instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just another reason to avoid theaters and download a ripped copy instead.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479480</id>
	<title>I work for a theater chain...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261045740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an IT admin in a medium sized movie theater chain, I can assure you, this happens ALL THE TIME. We face DRM key problems on a weekly basis.  They won't issue keys very far ahead of time, especially for a massive release like Avatar.</p><p>And sometimes, often in fact, the keys don't work.   Sometimes its just a simple matter of training the employee how to transfer it to the projector.  Sometimes the key is just wrong.  Sometimes it works for 2d, but not 3d.  Sometimes they issue a key, but it doesn't last for the entire run of the movie, so suddenly from one showing to the next, the projector just stops playing the movie.</p><p>I can't even count the number of times we've had auditoriums full of people, and are waiting for an email to show up in the next ten minutes, or we get to tell 300 extremely angry people to go home.</p><p>The distribution process works for the most part, but has *zero* contingencies.  If the network to a theater is not working tonight between 6pm and Midnight, they will not be showing Avatar on a digital projector.  But hey, everyone knows, the internet would never just stop working for a few hours, right?  Tech support will answer, and won't put you on hold for 45 minutes, right?  Not like there could be 4,000 other locations facing key problems simultaneously?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an IT admin in a medium sized movie theater chain , I can assure you , this happens ALL THE TIME .
We face DRM key problems on a weekly basis .
They wo n't issue keys very far ahead of time , especially for a massive release like Avatar.And sometimes , often in fact , the keys do n't work .
Sometimes its just a simple matter of training the employee how to transfer it to the projector .
Sometimes the key is just wrong .
Sometimes it works for 2d , but not 3d .
Sometimes they issue a key , but it does n't last for the entire run of the movie , so suddenly from one showing to the next , the projector just stops playing the movie.I ca n't even count the number of times we 've had auditoriums full of people , and are waiting for an email to show up in the next ten minutes , or we get to tell 300 extremely angry people to go home.The distribution process works for the most part , but has * zero * contingencies .
If the network to a theater is not working tonight between 6pm and Midnight , they will not be showing Avatar on a digital projector .
But hey , everyone knows , the internet would never just stop working for a few hours , right ?
Tech support will answer , and wo n't put you on hold for 45 minutes , right ?
Not like there could be 4,000 other locations facing key problems simultaneously ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an IT admin in a medium sized movie theater chain, I can assure you, this happens ALL THE TIME.
We face DRM key problems on a weekly basis.
They won't issue keys very far ahead of time, especially for a massive release like Avatar.And sometimes, often in fact, the keys don't work.
Sometimes its just a simple matter of training the employee how to transfer it to the projector.
Sometimes the key is just wrong.
Sometimes it works for 2d, but not 3d.
Sometimes they issue a key, but it doesn't last for the entire run of the movie, so suddenly from one showing to the next, the projector just stops playing the movie.I can't even count the number of times we've had auditoriums full of people, and are waiting for an email to show up in the next ten minutes, or we get to tell 300 extremely angry people to go home.The distribution process works for the most part, but has *zero* contingencies.
If the network to a theater is not working tonight between 6pm and Midnight, they will not be showing Avatar on a digital projector.
But hey, everyone knows, the internet would never just stop working for a few hours, right?
Tech support will answer, and won't put you on hold for 45 minutes, right?
Not like there could be 4,000 other locations facing key problems simultaneously?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478090</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>SoTerrified</author>
	<datestamp>1261040700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>,,,isn't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM?</p></div><p>The issue with most DRM is that it a) Does not actually stop pirates (at best it slows them down) and b) Does impair the ability for legitimate owners to use their purchase as intended.</p><p>This is a perfect example.  The DRM was broken so quickly, keys were available online <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=avatar+keygen" title="google.co.uk">http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=avatar+keygen</a> [google.co.uk] so pirates were not inconvenienced, but the legitimate customers (the theatre who was showing the movie) were unable to use the item they had purchased in a timely manner.</p><p>So I would disagree, this issue is indeed with DRM</p></div>
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<tokenext>,,,is n't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM ? The issue with most DRM is that it a ) Does not actually stop pirates ( at best it slows them down ) and b ) Does impair the ability for legitimate owners to use their purchase as intended.This is a perfect example .
The DRM was broken so quickly , keys were available online http : //www.google.co.uk/search ? q = avatar + keygen [ google.co.uk ] so pirates were not inconvenienced , but the legitimate customers ( the theatre who was showing the movie ) were unable to use the item they had purchased in a timely manner.So I would disagree , this issue is indeed with DRM</tokentext>
<sentencetext>,,,isn't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM?The issue with most DRM is that it a) Does not actually stop pirates (at best it slows them down) and b) Does impair the ability for legitimate owners to use their purchase as intended.This is a perfect example.
The DRM was broken so quickly, keys were available online http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=avatar+keygen [google.co.uk] so pirates were not inconvenienced, but the legitimate customers (the theatre who was showing the movie) were unable to use the item they had purchased in a timely manner.So I would disagree, this issue is indeed with DRM
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30481918</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261057740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think that information (movies, in this case) has value.</p><p>The rich-and-powerful remain so by maintaining control over things that have value.</p><p>Free exchange of information means "they" do not get to control it, nor create artificial scarcity for it, nor hold a monopoly over it.</p><p>Thus, free exchange of information is seen as a threat to wealth and power (in the eyes of those who have wealth and power).</p><p>Their desire to maintain control is a logical consequence of this.</p><p>Petty musing about how much more money one might make by letting the commodity be free and uncontrolled tastes like weak sauce compared to the obvious advantages of being able to maintain total control over all information at all times.  Good luck ever convincing "them" to give up this fight.</p><p>So that's what I think.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that information ( movies , in this case ) has value.The rich-and-powerful remain so by maintaining control over things that have value.Free exchange of information means " they " do not get to control it , nor create artificial scarcity for it , nor hold a monopoly over it.Thus , free exchange of information is seen as a threat to wealth and power ( in the eyes of those who have wealth and power ) .Their desire to maintain control is a logical consequence of this.Petty musing about how much more money one might make by letting the commodity be free and uncontrolled tastes like weak sauce compared to the obvious advantages of being able to maintain total control over all information at all times .
Good luck ever convincing " them " to give up this fight.So that 's what I think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that information (movies, in this case) has value.The rich-and-powerful remain so by maintaining control over things that have value.Free exchange of information means "they" do not get to control it, nor create artificial scarcity for it, nor hold a monopoly over it.Thus, free exchange of information is seen as a threat to wealth and power (in the eyes of those who have wealth and power).Their desire to maintain control is a logical consequence of this.Petty musing about how much more money one might make by letting the commodity be free and uncontrolled tastes like weak sauce compared to the obvious advantages of being able to maintain total control over all information at all times.
Good luck ever convincing "them" to give up this fight.So that's what I think.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478386</id>
	<title>Re:And... ?</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1261041720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But it's another one of those failure that *don't* have to be, that you know is there just because of DRM. Just like my annoying TV, it is supposed to support HDMI but it only manages direct HDMI. Run it through any pass-through and it'll fail. I did check online and yeah, it has HDCP handshake timing issues. It could have been the receiver too but the point would still stand. Same on a computer, you upgrade something or don't upgrade something or reinstall or swap hardware and something and you know that wouldn't break it, DRM broke it. Want to get a Mac or a Linux box? Yeah good luck transferring those. I accept that things fail or break, it's not a perfect world. But that doesn't mean I want something that's intentionally prone to breaking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But it 's another one of those failure that * do n't * have to be , that you know is there just because of DRM .
Just like my annoying TV , it is supposed to support HDMI but it only manages direct HDMI .
Run it through any pass-through and it 'll fail .
I did check online and yeah , it has HDCP handshake timing issues .
It could have been the receiver too but the point would still stand .
Same on a computer , you upgrade something or do n't upgrade something or reinstall or swap hardware and something and you know that would n't break it , DRM broke it .
Want to get a Mac or a Linux box ?
Yeah good luck transferring those .
I accept that things fail or break , it 's not a perfect world .
But that does n't mean I want something that 's intentionally prone to breaking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it's another one of those failure that *don't* have to be, that you know is there just because of DRM.
Just like my annoying TV, it is supposed to support HDMI but it only manages direct HDMI.
Run it through any pass-through and it'll fail.
I did check online and yeah, it has HDCP handshake timing issues.
It could have been the receiver too but the point would still stand.
Same on a computer, you upgrade something or don't upgrade something or reinstall or swap hardware and something and you know that wouldn't break it, DRM broke it.
Want to get a Mac or a Linux box?
Yeah good luck transferring those.
I accept that things fail or break, it's not a perfect world.
But that doesn't mean I want something that's intentionally prone to breaking.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479494</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>whoda</author>
	<datestamp>1261045740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the indy theaters around here use film.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the indy theaters around here use film .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the indy theaters around here use film.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478464</id>
	<title>Only one thing can sum up what I feel...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261042080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>And that would be the following commentary:

<a href="http://www.tk421.net/gallery/sounds/haha.wav" title="tk421.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.tk421.net/gallery/sounds/haha.wav</a> [tk421.net]</htmltext>
<tokenext>And that would be the following commentary : http : //www.tk421.net/gallery/sounds/haha.wav [ tk421.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that would be the following commentary:

http://www.tk421.net/gallery/sounds/haha.wav [tk421.net]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478286</id>
	<title>DRM = Digital Restrictions Management</title>
	<author>VitaminB52</author>
	<datestamp>1261041360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The legal system manages the <b>rights</b> on books, movies and music.
<p>
DRM 'manages' the <b>restrictions</b> when playing a recording - in fact DRM often violates the rights of a consumer (e.g. when preventing making backup copies while the legal system grants consumers the right to make a backup copy).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The legal system manages the rights on books , movies and music .
DRM 'manages ' the restrictions when playing a recording - in fact DRM often violates the rights of a consumer ( e.g .
when preventing making backup copies while the legal system grants consumers the right to make a backup copy ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The legal system manages the rights on books, movies and music.
DRM 'manages' the restrictions when playing a recording - in fact DRM often violates the rights of a consumer (e.g.
when preventing making backup copies while the legal system grants consumers the right to make a backup copy).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478716</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>sbeckstead</author>
	<datestamp>1261043100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't care what you think of it we are not shipping first run theatrical resolution films unencrypted.  Get over it people at this level encryption is here to stay.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't care what you think of it we are not shipping first run theatrical resolution films unencrypted .
Get over it people at this level encryption is here to stay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't care what you think of it we are not shipping first run theatrical resolution films unencrypted.
Get over it people at this level encryption is here to stay.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477680</id>
	<title>The problem is bigger than DRM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261082520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's the fact that what you watch in a movie theater these days is, television.  Give me 24 simultaneous images on my eyeball.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the fact that what you watch in a movie theater these days is , television .
Give me 24 simultaneous images on my eyeball .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the fact that what you watch in a movie theater these days is, television.
Give me 24 simultaneous images on my eyeball.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477830</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>gnapster</author>
	<datestamp>1261083000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm just unclear on how that makes this a noteworthy "DRM is bad"</p> </div><p>
I think the main point is that their fall-back plan was a DRM-free acetate film strip.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm just unclear on how that makes this a noteworthy " DRM is bad " I think the main point is that their fall-back plan was a DRM-free acetate film strip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm just unclear on how that makes this a noteworthy "DRM is bad" 
I think the main point is that their fall-back plan was a DRM-free acetate film strip.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30484736</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>bickerdyke</author>
	<datestamp>1261130400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And what about 10 years from now, when said company is out of business, and someone wants to throw that old Avatar reel back on the projector for old times' sake?</p></div><p>And what about films from 10 years ago? You'd have to find a distributor first who still rents out those reels to cinemas. I't not as in cinemas there youlr be any kind of Buying" or "permanent lease" of movies. Reels/HDDs are rented out to the cinemas for a few weeks, and the distributor doenst have to hold up any contractual obligations after that.</p><p>End user market is completly different.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And what about 10 years from now , when said company is out of business , and someone wants to throw that old Avatar reel back on the projector for old times ' sake ? And what about films from 10 years ago ?
You 'd have to find a distributor first who still rents out those reels to cinemas .
I't not as in cinemas there youlr be any kind of Buying " or " permanent lease " of movies .
Reels/HDDs are rented out to the cinemas for a few weeks , and the distributor doenst have to hold up any contractual obligations after that.End user market is completly different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what about 10 years from now, when said company is out of business, and someone wants to throw that old Avatar reel back on the projector for old times' sake?And what about films from 10 years ago?
You'd have to find a distributor first who still rents out those reels to cinemas.
I't not as in cinemas there youlr be any kind of Buying" or "permanent lease" of movies.
Reels/HDDs are rented out to the cinemas for a few weeks, and the distributor doenst have to hold up any contractual obligations after that.End user market is completly different.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479318</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>loren</author>
	<datestamp>1261045260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some interesting points to think about:</p><ul> <li>You make a film called "The XYZ Picture"</li><li>Millions of people download "The XYZ Picture" and see it for free without paying you a dime</li><li>Most of these millions of people wouldn't have paid to see in the first place. Lets say a few thousand that would have paid to see your picture don't because they found it for free <b>yes, this costs you real money</b> </li><li>Some of these millions decide to see it in theaters for various reasons: <ul> <li>it's more fun to go see it in a large groups with their friends</li><li>The prefer a big theater viewing experience</li><li>or maybe they just like the over-buttered movie theater popcorn </li></ul><p> and many of these people wouldn't have even known about your movie unless they found it online for free <b>This is money you got from movie piracy that you wouldn't have gotten if it couldn't be downloaded</b></p> </li><li>many of these millions tell the friends about it, and they go to the theater to see your movie. <b>again more money you got from free movie piracy as advertising</b> </li><li>Many of these millions decide that your movie isn't good enough, or worth the time / effort to go see in theaters, but they really liked it or want to see all your behind the scenes stuff, so they decide to buy or rent the movie on DVD when it comes out <b>These are even MORE sales you can attribute to free movie piracy as advertising</b> </li></ul><p> And <b>here</b> is the very delicate and sensitive philosophical question </p><ul> <li>Do the few thousand movie tickets you lost in sales to piracy cost you more than...</li><li>...the many thousand more tickets you sold because of the free advertising that movie piracy provided?</li></ul><p> I honestly think this comes down to those movie makers who make really mediocre films being afraid that they'll loose their shirts to those movie makers that produce quality content that thrives on word of mouth advertising.</p><p>What do you think?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some interesting points to think about : You make a film called " The XYZ Picture " Millions of people download " The XYZ Picture " and see it for free without paying you a dimeMost of these millions of people would n't have paid to see in the first place .
Lets say a few thousand that would have paid to see your picture do n't because they found it for free yes , this costs you real money Some of these millions decide to see it in theaters for various reasons : it 's more fun to go see it in a large groups with their friendsThe prefer a big theater viewing experienceor maybe they just like the over-buttered movie theater popcorn and many of these people would n't have even known about your movie unless they found it online for free This is money you got from movie piracy that you would n't have gotten if it could n't be downloaded many of these millions tell the friends about it , and they go to the theater to see your movie .
again more money you got from free movie piracy as advertising Many of these millions decide that your movie is n't good enough , or worth the time / effort to go see in theaters , but they really liked it or want to see all your behind the scenes stuff , so they decide to buy or rent the movie on DVD when it comes out These are even MORE sales you can attribute to free movie piracy as advertising And here is the very delicate and sensitive philosophical question Do the few thousand movie tickets you lost in sales to piracy cost you more than......the many thousand more tickets you sold because of the free advertising that movie piracy provided ?
I honestly think this comes down to those movie makers who make really mediocre films being afraid that they 'll loose their shirts to those movie makers that produce quality content that thrives on word of mouth advertising.What do you think ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some interesting points to think about: You make a film called "The XYZ Picture"Millions of people download "The XYZ Picture" and see it for free without paying you a dimeMost of these millions of people wouldn't have paid to see in the first place.
Lets say a few thousand that would have paid to see your picture don't because they found it for free yes, this costs you real money Some of these millions decide to see it in theaters for various reasons:  it's more fun to go see it in a large groups with their friendsThe prefer a big theater viewing experienceor maybe they just like the over-buttered movie theater popcorn  and many of these people wouldn't have even known about your movie unless they found it online for free This is money you got from movie piracy that you wouldn't have gotten if it couldn't be downloaded many of these millions tell the friends about it, and they go to the theater to see your movie.
again more money you got from free movie piracy as advertising Many of these millions decide that your movie isn't good enough, or worth the time / effort to go see in theaters, but they really liked it or want to see all your behind the scenes stuff, so they decide to buy or rent the movie on DVD when it comes out These are even MORE sales you can attribute to free movie piracy as advertising  And here is the very delicate and sensitive philosophical question  Do the few thousand movie tickets you lost in sales to piracy cost you more than......the many thousand more tickets you sold because of the free advertising that movie piracy provided?
I honestly think this comes down to those movie makers who make really mediocre films being afraid that they'll loose their shirts to those movie makers that produce quality content that thrives on word of mouth advertising.What do you think?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30481140</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261053240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Here's evidence:<br>http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=asdfasdf+keygen&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=</p></div><p>You are my hero !!!!!!!</p><p>I was looking all over the net for this keygen.</p><p>Now I will finally be able to play "Deep Dungeons of Asdfasdf" !!!!</p><p>Thank you! thank you! thank you!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's evidence : http : //www.google.co.uk/search ? hl = en&amp;q = asdfasdf + keygen&amp;btnG = Search&amp;meta = &amp;aq = f&amp;oq = You are my hero ! ! ! ! ! !
! I was looking all over the net for this keygen.Now I will finally be able to play " Deep Dungeons of Asdfasdf " ! ! !
! Thank you !
thank you !
thank you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's evidence:http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=asdfasdf+keygen&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=You are my hero !!!!!!
!I was looking all over the net for this keygen.Now I will finally be able to play "Deep Dungeons of Asdfasdf" !!!
!Thank you!
thank you!
thank you!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477596</id>
	<title>Why do I think this will just add fuel?</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1261082220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Somehow, I believe the studio will twist this story to sound more like "See! Piracy is causing us to <em>lose</em> money!"</p><p>

This despite them putting in the DRM, and despite them generating $10B revenue in 2009.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Somehow , I believe the studio will twist this story to sound more like " See !
Piracy is causing us to lose money !
" This despite them putting in the DRM , and despite them generating $ 10B revenue in 2009 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somehow, I believe the studio will twist this story to sound more like "See!
Piracy is causing us to lose money!
"

This despite them putting in the DRM, and despite them generating $10B revenue in 2009.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477942</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>FrostDust</author>
	<datestamp>1261083360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reading the Google translation, it seems to say that the theaters had purchased enough licenses for their showings, but a glitch, or technical ineptitude, prevented the DRM from validating all of their copies of the movie.</p><p>I think it's a big leap to go from that, to where the submitter says that the supplier was unable to provide enough keys.</p><p>The most persistant argument against DRM surfaces here: because of the intricate technicalities involved in DRM systems, legitimate customers were denied access to material they payed for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading the Google translation , it seems to say that the theaters had purchased enough licenses for their showings , but a glitch , or technical ineptitude , prevented the DRM from validating all of their copies of the movie.I think it 's a big leap to go from that , to where the submitter says that the supplier was unable to provide enough keys.The most persistant argument against DRM surfaces here : because of the intricate technicalities involved in DRM systems , legitimate customers were denied access to material they payed for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading the Google translation, it seems to say that the theaters had purchased enough licenses for their showings, but a glitch, or technical ineptitude, prevented the DRM from validating all of their copies of the movie.I think it's a big leap to go from that, to where the submitter says that the supplier was unable to provide enough keys.The most persistant argument against DRM surfaces here: because of the intricate technicalities involved in DRM systems, legitimate customers were denied access to material they payed for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477638</id>
	<title>Good thing, too..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261082340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure someone planned to bring in a cellphone with a 3D camera and release a barely-watchable 30-second clip of some of the less important dialogue.</p><p>DRM prevents piracy again!  Yes!!!!  Huzzah for DRM!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure someone planned to bring in a cellphone with a 3D camera and release a barely-watchable 30-second clip of some of the less important dialogue.DRM prevents piracy again !
Yes ! ! ! ! Huzzah for DRM !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure someone planned to bring in a cellphone with a 3D camera and release a barely-watchable 30-second clip of some of the less important dialogue.DRM prevents piracy again!
Yes!!!!  Huzzah for DRM!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478740</id>
	<title>Re:Given all the reviews I have seen ..</title>
	<author>yali</author>
	<datestamp>1261043160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Everyone is basically saying "pretty pictures, but the story sucks"</p></div></blockquote><p>The New York Times's hoity-toity film reviewer Manohla Dargis (who usually only likes stuff with subtitles) <a href="http://movies.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/movies/18avatar.html" title="nytimes.com">begs to differ</a> [nytimes.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone is basically saying " pretty pictures , but the story sucks " The New York Times 's hoity-toity film reviewer Manohla Dargis ( who usually only likes stuff with subtitles ) begs to differ [ nytimes.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone is basically saying "pretty pictures, but the story sucks"The New York Times's hoity-toity film reviewer Manohla Dargis (who usually only likes stuff with subtitles) begs to differ [nytimes.com].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478968</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>sbeckstead</author>
	<datestamp>1261044000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>it wasn't that they didn't purchase the rights, it was the distribution company screwed up and failed to distribute properly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>it was n't that they did n't purchase the rights , it was the distribution company screwed up and failed to distribute properly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it wasn't that they didn't purchase the rights, it was the distribution company screwed up and failed to distribute properly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30484930</id>
	<title>Re:Good thing, too..</title>
	<author>SharpFang</author>
	<datestamp>1261132500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And a pipe dream of the producers.<br>If the customers pay for the movies but can't see them, imagine the savings on actors, crew, studio, processing, sfx and so on! You can even reduce the unnecessarily huge theaters to ticket booths and concession stands, doing away with the old-fashioned huge rooms with chairs, screens and so on.<br>All the profit from ticket sales at almost no cost at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And a pipe dream of the producers.If the customers pay for the movies but ca n't see them , imagine the savings on actors , crew , studio , processing , sfx and so on !
You can even reduce the unnecessarily huge theaters to ticket booths and concession stands , doing away with the old-fashioned huge rooms with chairs , screens and so on.All the profit from ticket sales at almost no cost at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And a pipe dream of the producers.If the customers pay for the movies but can't see them, imagine the savings on actors, crew, studio, processing, sfx and so on!
You can even reduce the unnecessarily huge theaters to ticket booths and concession stands, doing away with the old-fashioned huge rooms with chairs, screens and so on.All the profit from ticket sales at almost no cost at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30483770</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261073040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's an interesting theory, full of unsubstantiated claims.  Now come up with an experiment to test it.  Without actual testing, you're just yammering.</p><p>Most of the interesting questions come from quantities, not the rationale.  As an example: "many of these millions tell the friends about it, and they go to the theater to see your movie. again more money you got from free movie piracy as advertising"  Your use of the word 'many', and subsequent references implicitly assign a large quantity to word-of-mouth theatre goers and to DVD-purchases that I don't see a serious defense for.</p><p>So how would you test quantities?  I can think of some testing that would be suggestive, but nothing definitive.  I would expect a good test would require a decent quality feature film to test with, and generally those aren't created with experimentation in mind (more of a 'making gobs of money' frame of mind).  However, my knowledge of psych and statistics are limited compared to those who do this for a living.</p><p>My point is, however, that your theoretical millions have no data to back them up.  Even if you only come up with a good test for your theory, I'll take you more seriously.  Until then, yammer on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's an interesting theory , full of unsubstantiated claims .
Now come up with an experiment to test it .
Without actual testing , you 're just yammering.Most of the interesting questions come from quantities , not the rationale .
As an example : " many of these millions tell the friends about it , and they go to the theater to see your movie .
again more money you got from free movie piracy as advertising " Your use of the word 'many ' , and subsequent references implicitly assign a large quantity to word-of-mouth theatre goers and to DVD-purchases that I do n't see a serious defense for.So how would you test quantities ?
I can think of some testing that would be suggestive , but nothing definitive .
I would expect a good test would require a decent quality feature film to test with , and generally those are n't created with experimentation in mind ( more of a 'making gobs of money ' frame of mind ) .
However , my knowledge of psych and statistics are limited compared to those who do this for a living.My point is , however , that your theoretical millions have no data to back them up .
Even if you only come up with a good test for your theory , I 'll take you more seriously .
Until then , yammer on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's an interesting theory, full of unsubstantiated claims.
Now come up with an experiment to test it.
Without actual testing, you're just yammering.Most of the interesting questions come from quantities, not the rationale.
As an example: "many of these millions tell the friends about it, and they go to the theater to see your movie.
again more money you got from free movie piracy as advertising"  Your use of the word 'many', and subsequent references implicitly assign a large quantity to word-of-mouth theatre goers and to DVD-purchases that I don't see a serious defense for.So how would you test quantities?
I can think of some testing that would be suggestive, but nothing definitive.
I would expect a good test would require a decent quality feature film to test with, and generally those aren't created with experimentation in mind (more of a 'making gobs of money' frame of mind).
However, my knowledge of psych and statistics are limited compared to those who do this for a living.My point is, however, that your theoretical millions have no data to back them up.
Even if you only come up with a good test for your theory, I'll take you more seriously.
Until then, yammer on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477540</id>
	<title>Obligatory</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1261081980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ha-ha! - Nelson Muntz</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ha-ha !
- Nelson Muntz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ha-ha!
- Nelson Muntz</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477936</id>
	<title>Re:Avatards</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261083360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>
I accidentally the DRM keys for the movie... is this bad?
</i> <br>
<br>
Oooooh! I love Mad Libs. Someone suggest a verb!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I accidentally the DRM keys for the movie... is this bad ?
Oooooh ! I love Mad Libs .
Someone suggest a verb !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I accidentally the DRM keys for the movie... is this bad?
Oooooh! I love Mad Libs.
Someone suggest a verb!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30480658</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Resident Emil</author>
	<datestamp>1261050540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your post is seriously flawed. While "asdfasdf+keygen" actually returns quite some results from Google, "fsadfsad+keygen" only returns two. And those two aren't actual hits either but Googles suggestions for close matches. "qkaunerus7+keygen" returns zero hits, and so does "Adraravk+keygen" and "potrjkdf+keygen" too.

Apart from that it should be noted that the Avatar keygen mentioned in this thread is most likely a keygen for the Avatar game, not for the digital movie distributions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your post is seriously flawed .
While " asdfasdf + keygen " actually returns quite some results from Google , " fsadfsad + keygen " only returns two .
And those two are n't actual hits either but Googles suggestions for close matches .
" qkaunerus7 + keygen " returns zero hits , and so does " Adraravk + keygen " and " potrjkdf + keygen " too .
Apart from that it should be noted that the Avatar keygen mentioned in this thread is most likely a keygen for the Avatar game , not for the digital movie distributions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your post is seriously flawed.
While "asdfasdf+keygen" actually returns quite some results from Google, "fsadfsad+keygen" only returns two.
And those two aren't actual hits either but Googles suggestions for close matches.
"qkaunerus7+keygen" returns zero hits, and so does "Adraravk+keygen" and "potrjkdf+keygen" too.
Apart from that it should be noted that the Avatar keygen mentioned in this thread is most likely a keygen for the Avatar game, not for the digital movie distributions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479880</id>
	<title>Re:Give yourself 100\% discount</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1261047240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There&rsquo;s one thing though: I saw it. In 3D (well, actually it&rsquo;s stereo video). And if there is one single thing to say, then: If you see it, you <strong>MUST</strong> see it in 3D! I&rsquo;d go so far, as to say, without 3D, it&rsquo;s a completely different movie, and there&rsquo;s no point in watching it any ruining everything that way.</p><p>It&rsquo;s like full THX glory against... mono sound.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There    s one thing though : I saw it .
In 3D ( well , actually it    s stereo video ) .
And if there is one single thing to say , then : If you see it , you MUST see it in 3D !
I    d go so far , as to say , without 3D , it    s a completely different movie , and there    s no point in watching it any ruining everything that way.It    s like full THX glory against... mono sound .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There’s one thing though: I saw it.
In 3D (well, actually it’s stereo video).
And if there is one single thing to say, then: If you see it, you MUST see it in 3D!
I’d go so far, as to say, without 3D, it’s a completely different movie, and there’s no point in watching it any ruining everything that way.It’s like full THX glory against... mono sound.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479424</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Sloppy</author>
	<datestamp>1261045560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>isn't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses</p></div></blockquote><p>The article doesn't say that. (Why do you suspect that?)  It only says they didn't receive the keys they needed, and makes no mention of what they did or did not pay for.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>is n't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licensesThe article does n't say that .
( Why do you suspect that ?
) It only says they did n't receive the keys they needed , and makes no mention of what they did or did not pay for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>isn't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licensesThe article doesn't say that.
(Why do you suspect that?
)  It only says they didn't receive the keys they needed, and makes no mention of what they did or did not pay for.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478870</id>
	<title>Re:Keygen</title>
	<author>sbeckstead</author>
	<datestamp>1261043700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah try that and let me know how the JP2K decryption goes, and let me know what player you use to watch it on cause I've got news.  What was DRMed for that theater was not a simple avi and you can't gen a key for it without the certs for the entire key chain.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah try that and let me know how the JP2K decryption goes , and let me know what player you use to watch it on cause I 've got news .
What was DRMed for that theater was not a simple avi and you ca n't gen a key for it without the certs for the entire key chain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah try that and let me know how the JP2K decryption goes, and let me know what player you use to watch it on cause I've got news.
What was DRMed for that theater was not a simple avi and you can't gen a key for it without the certs for the entire key chain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30480198</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261048680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Trotting out Cory Doctorow would not, for any reason, be for the audience's benefit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Trotting out Cory Doctorow would not , for any reason , be for the audience 's benefit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trotting out Cory Doctorow would not, for any reason, be for the audience's benefit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478112</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261040700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good thing this wasn't the Dragon Ball Z movie, they'd laud DRM as the savior of humanity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good thing this was n't the Dragon Ball Z movie , they 'd laud DRM as the savior of humanity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good thing this wasn't the Dragon Ball Z movie, they'd laud DRM as the savior of humanity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477906</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>manyxcxi</author>
	<datestamp>1261083300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're right in this isn't a cut and dried DRM is teh evulz case. It does however highlight that everyone following the rules, forking over their cash, and generally being socially acceptable, still got screwed over by a DRM system. I'm assuming the movie theater(s) in question paid all the money they were supposed to to all the people involved. All of the movie goers paid over all their money to legally see it in such a way that the movie studios would allow, if only barely (the customers did leave the box office with their souls presumably). All of them were screwed when somewhere along the DRM chain someone dropped the ball.<br>This goes along with the DRMed mp3s that no longer work when a company kills its servers. Office 2003 not opening files because of a bad cert, etc. The pirates remove all these 'security features' and the products work so much smoother. I have used pirated copies of software that I legally paid for due to activation/reactivation rules, and I'll probably do it again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right in this is n't a cut and dried DRM is teh evulz case .
It does however highlight that everyone following the rules , forking over their cash , and generally being socially acceptable , still got screwed over by a DRM system .
I 'm assuming the movie theater ( s ) in question paid all the money they were supposed to to all the people involved .
All of the movie goers paid over all their money to legally see it in such a way that the movie studios would allow , if only barely ( the customers did leave the box office with their souls presumably ) .
All of them were screwed when somewhere along the DRM chain someone dropped the ball.This goes along with the DRMed mp3s that no longer work when a company kills its servers .
Office 2003 not opening files because of a bad cert , etc .
The pirates remove all these 'security features ' and the products work so much smoother .
I have used pirated copies of software that I legally paid for due to activation/reactivation rules , and I 'll probably do it again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right in this isn't a cut and dried DRM is teh evulz case.
It does however highlight that everyone following the rules, forking over their cash, and generally being socially acceptable, still got screwed over by a DRM system.
I'm assuming the movie theater(s) in question paid all the money they were supposed to to all the people involved.
All of the movie goers paid over all their money to legally see it in such a way that the movie studios would allow, if only barely (the customers did leave the box office with their souls presumably).
All of them were screwed when somewhere along the DRM chain someone dropped the ball.This goes along with the DRMed mp3s that no longer work when a company kills its servers.
Office 2003 not opening files because of a bad cert, etc.
The pirates remove all these 'security features' and the products work so much smoother.
I have used pirated copies of software that I legally paid for due to activation/reactivation rules, and I'll probably do it again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479736</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>znerk</author>
	<datestamp>1261046640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You do realize this is not a problem with DRM, but with some lowly paid employee not bothering to do their job properly.</p></div><p>And what about 10 years from now, when said company is out of business, and someone wants to throw that old Avatar reel back on the projector for old times' sake? Oh no! There is a DRM code, and so the lawful owner of the movie cannot watch it!</p><p>Good job, DRM!</p><p>Once again... "protection" schemes that rely on a company holding up its end of the bargain indefinitely are doomed to fail, and will disappoint customers in the end.</p><p>I personally own several shrink-wrapped copies of movies, never opened, that I have enjoyed watching multiple times.<br>Easy method of enjoying your purchased media without DRM getting in the way:<br>1: Purchase movie.<br>2: Put movie into storage container.<br>3: Download "pirated" copy of same movie.<br>3: Enjoy responsibly. (Profit!)</p><p>No question marks, this is a tried-and-true method of enjoying your lawfully-purchased movie without any DRM keeping your player from reading the disc, without those annoying commercials that you can't skip, and without fear.</p><p>Tell your friends.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do realize this is not a problem with DRM , but with some lowly paid employee not bothering to do their job properly.And what about 10 years from now , when said company is out of business , and someone wants to throw that old Avatar reel back on the projector for old times ' sake ?
Oh no !
There is a DRM code , and so the lawful owner of the movie can not watch it ! Good job , DRM ! Once again... " protection " schemes that rely on a company holding up its end of the bargain indefinitely are doomed to fail , and will disappoint customers in the end.I personally own several shrink-wrapped copies of movies , never opened , that I have enjoyed watching multiple times.Easy method of enjoying your purchased media without DRM getting in the way : 1 : Purchase movie.2 : Put movie into storage container.3 : Download " pirated " copy of same movie.3 : Enjoy responsibly .
( Profit ! ) No question marks , this is a tried-and-true method of enjoying your lawfully-purchased movie without any DRM keeping your player from reading the disc , without those annoying commercials that you ca n't skip , and without fear.Tell your friends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do realize this is not a problem with DRM, but with some lowly paid employee not bothering to do their job properly.And what about 10 years from now, when said company is out of business, and someone wants to throw that old Avatar reel back on the projector for old times' sake?
Oh no!
There is a DRM code, and so the lawful owner of the movie cannot watch it!Good job, DRM!Once again... "protection" schemes that rely on a company holding up its end of the bargain indefinitely are doomed to fail, and will disappoint customers in the end.I personally own several shrink-wrapped copies of movies, never opened, that I have enjoyed watching multiple times.Easy method of enjoying your purchased media without DRM getting in the way:1: Purchase movie.2: Put movie into storage container.3: Download "pirated" copy of same movie.3: Enjoy responsibly.
(Profit!)No question marks, this is a tried-and-true method of enjoying your lawfully-purchased movie without any DRM keeping your player from reading the disc, without those annoying commercials that you can't skip, and without fear.Tell your friends.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479272</id>
	<title>3 sentences about that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261045080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DRM unnecessarily increases complexity.<br>Complexity increases unnecessary points of failure.<br>DRM is unnecessary and increases cost of failure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM unnecessarily increases complexity.Complexity increases unnecessary points of failure.DRM is unnecessary and increases cost of failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM unnecessarily increases complexity.Complexity increases unnecessary points of failure.DRM is unnecessary and increases cost of failure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478018</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>cayenne8</author>
	<datestamp>1261040400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm confused...what keys are needed to take the film out of the can, and thread it onto the projector?<p>
How do they DRM that?!?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm confused...what keys are needed to take the film out of the can , and thread it onto the projector ?
How do they DRM that ? ! ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm confused...what keys are needed to take the film out of the can, and thread it onto the projector?
How do they DRM that?!?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478580</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Mr. Freeman</author>
	<datestamp>1261042620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You'd be hard pressed to find a film projector today, it's all digital.<br><br>Although, you apparently didn't even bother to read past the headline, the summary should have made it obvious with the line "and per movie server in the theater."</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'd be hard pressed to find a film projector today , it 's all digital.Although , you apparently did n't even bother to read past the headline , the summary should have made it obvious with the line " and per movie server in the theater .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'd be hard pressed to find a film projector today, it's all digital.Although, you apparently didn't even bother to read past the headline, the summary should have made it obvious with the line "and per movie server in the theater.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30480164</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1261048560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think the main point is that their fall-back plan was a DRM-free acetate film strip.</p></div><p>True, but it did offer a degraded experience (no 3-D; for some reason, these new 3-D processes require digital projection). It would have been more impressive if they called James Cameron and said, "Hey Jim, DRM is preventing our audiences from beholding the spectacle as your revolutionary 3-D movie re-invents cinema for all time," and Cameron said, "Damn it, screw the DRM then! Let it roll!"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the main point is that their fall-back plan was a DRM-free acetate film strip.True , but it did offer a degraded experience ( no 3-D ; for some reason , these new 3-D processes require digital projection ) .
It would have been more impressive if they called James Cameron and said , " Hey Jim , DRM is preventing our audiences from beholding the spectacle as your revolutionary 3-D movie re-invents cinema for all time , " and Cameron said , " Damn it , screw the DRM then !
Let it roll !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the main point is that their fall-back plan was a DRM-free acetate film strip.True, but it did offer a degraded experience (no 3-D; for some reason, these new 3-D processes require digital projection).
It would have been more impressive if they called James Cameron and said, "Hey Jim, DRM is preventing our audiences from beholding the spectacle as your revolutionary 3-D movie re-invents cinema for all time," and Cameron said, "Damn it, screw the DRM then!
Let it roll!
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478972</id>
	<title>Re:Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1261044000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"></div><p>By their own petards gehoisted they are!  </p><p>Of course, this could be simple incompetence, too.  </p><p>I suppose it might be troublesome finding sufficient de-ethicals to work on their cultural apartheid projects.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>By their own petards gehoisted they are !
Of course , this could be simple incompetence , too .
I suppose it might be troublesome finding sufficient de-ethicals to work on their cultural apartheid projects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By their own petards gehoisted they are!
Of course, this could be simple incompetence, too.
I suppose it might be troublesome finding sufficient de-ethicals to work on their cultural apartheid projects.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477782</id>
	<title>And... ?</title>
	<author>Tiger4</author>
	<datestamp>1261082820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An isolated failure with no particularly big consequences.  The story tries to make DRM look bad, but really, is this the first time a critical demo went bad at an embarrassing moment?</p><p>Hate on DRM all you want for all the evils it might contain.  I do.  But this is a nothing story.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An isolated failure with no particularly big consequences .
The story tries to make DRM look bad , but really , is this the first time a critical demo went bad at an embarrassing moment ? Hate on DRM all you want for all the evils it might contain .
I do .
But this is a nothing story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An isolated failure with no particularly big consequences.
The story tries to make DRM look bad, but really, is this the first time a critical demo went bad at an embarrassing moment?Hate on DRM all you want for all the evils it might contain.
I do.
But this is a nothing story.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478604</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>bensafrickingenius</author>
	<datestamp>1261042680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except not a single person leaving that theater knew that DRM had anything to do with it.  Or even the meaning of the acronym itself.<br> <br>

"Sorry, folks, little glitch with the 3D thingamajig here!  Heh heh...  Well, you're all welcome to stay and enjoy the show in all it's 2D glory, including some free popcorn!  Or we'll gladly refund your money."
<br> <br>
And they all came back the next day, and paid their money to support the now properly-running DRMed-up-the-ass movie, none the wiser.  Do you really think the theater hauled out Cory Doctorow to hold forth on the evils of DRM for the audience's benefit?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except not a single person leaving that theater knew that DRM had anything to do with it .
Or even the meaning of the acronym itself .
" Sorry , folks , little glitch with the 3D thingamajig here !
Heh heh... Well , you 're all welcome to stay and enjoy the show in all it 's 2D glory , including some free popcorn !
Or we 'll gladly refund your money .
" And they all came back the next day , and paid their money to support the now properly-running DRMed-up-the-ass movie , none the wiser .
Do you really think the theater hauled out Cory Doctorow to hold forth on the evils of DRM for the audience 's benefit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except not a single person leaving that theater knew that DRM had anything to do with it.
Or even the meaning of the acronym itself.
"Sorry, folks, little glitch with the 3D thingamajig here!
Heh heh...  Well, you're all welcome to stay and enjoy the show in all it's 2D glory, including some free popcorn!
Or we'll gladly refund your money.
"
 
And they all came back the next day, and paid their money to support the now properly-running DRMed-up-the-ass movie, none the wiser.
Do you really think the theater hauled out Cory Doctorow to hold forth on the evils of DRM for the audience's benefit?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478378</id>
	<title>And that's</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261041720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Moviegoers were offered to get a refund or view an analogue 2D showing instead.</i></p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; And only because it would be illegal if they didn't offer the customer any form of compensation. It's not as if they care enough about their business to make sure things are done right.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; When you go to the cinema, this is exactly the sort of crap you are supporting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Moviegoers were offered to get a refund or view an analogue 2D showing instead .
      And only because it would be illegal if they did n't offer the customer any form of compensation .
It 's not as if they care enough about their business to make sure things are done right .
      When you go to the cinema , this is exactly the sort of crap you are supporting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moviegoers were offered to get a refund or view an analogue 2D showing instead.
      And only because it would be illegal if they didn't offer the customer any form of compensation.
It's not as if they care enough about their business to make sure things are done right.
      When you go to the cinema, this is exactly the sort of crap you are supporting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30502878</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261303680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't want to be the one modded to hell and back for saying it, but isn't this an issue with the company not <b>purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time</b> rather than an issue with DRM?</p></div><p>How is that not a DRM issue?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want to be the one modded to hell and back for saying it , but is n't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM ? How is that not a DRM issue ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want to be the one modded to hell and back for saying it, but isn't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM?How is that not a DRM issue?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30480226</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261048800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><br>Here's evidence:<br>http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=asdfasdf+keygen&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=<br></i></p><p>Thanks, I have been trying to unlock my copy of asdfasdf.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's evidence : http : //www.google.co.uk/search ? hl = en&amp;q = asdfasdf + keygen&amp;btnG = Search&amp;meta = &amp;aq = f&amp;oq = Thanks , I have been trying to unlock my copy of asdfasdf .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's evidence:http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=asdfasdf+keygen&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=Thanks, I have been trying to unlock my copy of asdfasdf.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477998</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>bit9</author>
	<datestamp>1261040400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm just unclear on how that makes this a noteworthy "DRM is bad" case.</p></div></blockquote><p>

More like a "DRM is <i>stupid</i>" case. The point is not whose fault it was, but that DRM prevented a perfectly <i>legal</i> use of the material. The fact that the theater, having properly licensed the movie from the studio, still had to overcome this ridiculous DRM hurdle, shows that DRM is a pitiful joke.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm just unclear on how that makes this a noteworthy " DRM is bad " case .
More like a " DRM is stupid " case .
The point is not whose fault it was , but that DRM prevented a perfectly legal use of the material .
The fact that the theater , having properly licensed the movie from the studio , still had to overcome this ridiculous DRM hurdle , shows that DRM is a pitiful joke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm just unclear on how that makes this a noteworthy "DRM is bad" case.
More like a "DRM is stupid" case.
The point is not whose fault it was, but that DRM prevented a perfectly legal use of the material.
The fact that the theater, having properly licensed the movie from the studio, still had to overcome this ridiculous DRM hurdle, shows that DRM is a pitiful joke.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30479656</id>
	<title>Re:Given all the reviews I have seen ..</title>
	<author>invisiblerhino</author>
	<datestamp>1261046340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. I just saw it, and the storyline was appalling, but the visuals nearly made it worthwhile. Nearly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
I just saw it , and the storyline was appalling , but the visuals nearly made it worthwhile .
Nearly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
I just saw it, and the storyline was appalling, but the visuals nearly made it worthwhile.
Nearly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478238</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>localman57</author>
	<datestamp>1261041180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>isn't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM?</p><p>

It's perfectly indicative of how DRM is bad.  DRM assumes that everything would work perfectly, all the time.  And when it doesn't, for whatever reason, you lose the right to use your own legally owned content.  Just like the movie studio, a leagal user of the film, lost their capability.  If the movie studios and their limited number of partners with gazillion-dollar pieces of equipment can't make it work, what chance do meaningless slobs like me have?<br> <br>Answer: none.  I need to just assume that sooner or later the content I paid for will just stop working.  And that's wrong.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>is n't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM ?
It 's perfectly indicative of how DRM is bad .
DRM assumes that everything would work perfectly , all the time .
And when it does n't , for whatever reason , you lose the right to use your own legally owned content .
Just like the movie studio , a leagal user of the film , lost their capability .
If the movie studios and their limited number of partners with gazillion-dollar pieces of equipment ca n't make it work , what chance do meaningless slobs like me have ?
Answer : none .
I need to just assume that sooner or later the content I paid for will just stop working .
And that 's wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>isn't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM?
It's perfectly indicative of how DRM is bad.
DRM assumes that everything would work perfectly, all the time.
And when it doesn't, for whatever reason, you lose the right to use your own legally owned content.
Just like the movie studio, a leagal user of the film, lost their capability.
If the movie studios and their limited number of partners with gazillion-dollar pieces of equipment can't make it work, what chance do meaningless slobs like me have?
Answer: none.
I need to just assume that sooner or later the content I paid for will just stop working.
And that's wrong.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478750</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Mr. Freeman</author>
	<datestamp>1261043220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because it wasn't the theater, it was the people in charge of the licensing that fucked up.  Furthermore, if there were no DRM then this entire problem would be gone.  The theater could have purchased the rights to show it, shown it, made money, everyone is happy</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it was n't the theater , it was the people in charge of the licensing that fucked up .
Furthermore , if there were no DRM then this entire problem would be gone .
The theater could have purchased the rights to show it , shown it , made money , everyone is happy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it wasn't the theater, it was the people in charge of the licensing that fucked up.
Furthermore, if there were no DRM then this entire problem would be gone.
The theater could have purchased the rights to show it, shown it, made money, everyone is happy</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478036</id>
	<title>Re:not surprising</title>
	<author>COMON$</author>
	<datestamp>1261040460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry buddy, the suits in control will just look at it as a distribution problem, not a tech problem.  Couldn't be anything wrong with DRM after all, it is going to save them billions! Thats right just keep drinking that Koolaid...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry buddy , the suits in control will just look at it as a distribution problem , not a tech problem .
Could n't be anything wrong with DRM after all , it is going to save them billions !
Thats right just keep drinking that Koolaid.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry buddy, the suits in control will just look at it as a distribution problem, not a tech problem.
Couldn't be anything wrong with DRM after all, it is going to save them billions!
Thats right just keep drinking that Koolaid...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477714</id>
	<title>Wait...</title>
	<author>TaggartAleslayer</author>
	<datestamp>1261082580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't want to be the one modded to hell and back for saying it, but isn't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM?</p><p>I understand this wouldn't exist if there were no DRM, but then the theater would still not have paid for the rights to show the movie. I'm just unclear on how that makes this a noteworthy "DRM is bad" case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want to be the one modded to hell and back for saying it , but is n't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM ? I understand this would n't exist if there were no DRM , but then the theater would still not have paid for the rights to show the movie .
I 'm just unclear on how that makes this a noteworthy " DRM is bad " case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want to be the one modded to hell and back for saying it, but isn't this an issue with the company not purchasing the proper licenses in the appropriate amount of time rather than an issue with DRM?I understand this wouldn't exist if there were no DRM, but then the theater would still not have paid for the rights to show the movie.
I'm just unclear on how that makes this a noteworthy "DRM is bad" case.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478260</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261041300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>A theater chain is not a consumer, it is an exhibitor.  Their entire business pretty much consists of getting licenses to show films.  Any theater chain that claims they don't know exactly how many licenses they need is lying.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A theater chain is not a consumer , it is an exhibitor .
Their entire business pretty much consists of getting licenses to show films .
Any theater chain that claims they do n't know exactly how many licenses they need is lying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A theater chain is not a consumer, it is an exhibitor.
Their entire business pretty much consists of getting licenses to show films.
Any theater chain that claims they don't know exactly how many licenses they need is lying.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30480944</id>
	<title>Re:DRM</title>
	<author>springbox</author>
	<datestamp>1261052220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's funny how "clever" that acronym is worded. Whose rights are being managed is never made explicit, but you can be sure it's "their" rights and not "your" rights.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's funny how " clever " that acronym is worded .
Whose rights are being managed is never made explicit , but you can be sure it 's " their " rights and not " your " rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's funny how "clever" that acronym is worded.
Whose rights are being managed is never made explicit, but you can be sure it's "their" rights and not "your" rights.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30478822</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>CreamyG31337</author>
	<datestamp>1261043460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay, I thought this was pretty obvious. Seriously, how many of you think typing "keygen" into google is going to find you anything but a bunch of spam sites linking to each other, and if you're lucky, a virus to download.<br>Type any word into Google, add "keygen", OH LOOK IT'S THE SAME WEBSITES!! Okay, not ANY word, but close enough.<br>Anyways, if you did happen to find a keygen for something to do with Avatar on any website, there's no way in hell it's anything to do with the movie. You think some hacker at the movie theater made one for the fun of it? A 3D movie is not small enough to be spread online, nor can it be played back on any equipment available to the general public. If there's no way or reason to copy the data, nobody is going to worry about breaking the DRM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , I thought this was pretty obvious .
Seriously , how many of you think typing " keygen " into google is going to find you anything but a bunch of spam sites linking to each other , and if you 're lucky , a virus to download.Type any word into Google , add " keygen " , OH LOOK IT 'S THE SAME WEBSITES ! !
Okay , not ANY word , but close enough.Anyways , if you did happen to find a keygen for something to do with Avatar on any website , there 's no way in hell it 's anything to do with the movie .
You think some hacker at the movie theater made one for the fun of it ?
A 3D movie is not small enough to be spread online , nor can it be played back on any equipment available to the general public .
If there 's no way or reason to copy the data , nobody is going to worry about breaking the DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, I thought this was pretty obvious.
Seriously, how many of you think typing "keygen" into google is going to find you anything but a bunch of spam sites linking to each other, and if you're lucky, a virus to download.Type any word into Google, add "keygen", OH LOOK IT'S THE SAME WEBSITES!!
Okay, not ANY word, but close enough.Anyways, if you did happen to find a keygen for something to do with Avatar on any website, there's no way in hell it's anything to do with the movie.
You think some hacker at the movie theater made one for the fun of it?
A 3D movie is not small enough to be spread online, nor can it be played back on any equipment available to the general public.
If there's no way or reason to copy the data, nobody is going to worry about breaking the DRM.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477928</id>
	<title>Re:Why do I think this will just add fuel?</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1261083360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Somehow, I believe the studio will twist this story to sound more like "See! Piracy is causing us to lose money!"</i> <br> <br>As in "It may have been DRM which caused us to lose money in Germany, but it was only needed because of piracy" or something similar.<br> <br> <i>This despite them putting in the DRM, and despite them generating $10B revenue in 2009.</i> <br> <br>A small part of 2009, since the movie didn't come out on the 1st of January 2009.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Somehow , I believe the studio will twist this story to sound more like " See !
Piracy is causing us to lose money !
" As in " It may have been DRM which caused us to lose money in Germany , but it was only needed because of piracy " or something similar .
This despite them putting in the DRM , and despite them generating $ 10B revenue in 2009 .
A small part of 2009 , since the movie did n't come out on the 1st of January 2009 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somehow, I believe the studio will twist this story to sound more like "See!
Piracy is causing us to lose money!
"  As in "It may have been DRM which caused us to lose money in Germany, but it was only needed because of piracy" or something similar.
This despite them putting in the DRM, and despite them generating $10B revenue in 2009.
A small part of 2009, since the movie didn't come out on the 1st of January 2009.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477704</id>
	<title>great organisation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261082520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With organization like that it's no wonder they lost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With organization like that it 's no wonder they lost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With organization like that it's no wonder they lost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1916241.30477510</id>
	<title>Defective by Design</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261081920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just keep trying to micromanage everything, you DRM-loving assholes.  Best-laid plans of mice and men<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just keep trying to micromanage everything , you DRM-loving assholes .
Best-laid plans of mice and men .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just keep trying to micromanage everything, you DRM-loving assholes.
Best-laid plans of mice and men ...</sentencetext>
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