<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_17_1840228</id>
	<title>Microsoft Promises Not To Sue Moonlight 2.0 Users</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1261075680000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>darthcamaro writes <i>"Moonlight 2.0, Novell's open source implementation of the Microsoft media framework, is now available and comes with a <a href="http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6932/1/">new patent promise from Microsoft</a>. Any Linux user can use it now without worrying about being sued: '"A really important change in how the community and individuals will see and use Moonlight is a change and extension to the patent covenant that Microsoft provides to Novell and its end users," Brian Goldfarb, director of Web and user experience platforms at Microsoft, told InternetNews.com. "We're now increasing the reach of the agreement &mdash; Microsoft's commitment not to sue Novell or Novell's customers now extends to redistributors."'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>darthcamaro writes " Moonlight 2.0 , Novell 's open source implementation of the Microsoft media framework , is now available and comes with a new patent promise from Microsoft .
Any Linux user can use it now without worrying about being sued : ' " A really important change in how the community and individuals will see and use Moonlight is a change and extension to the patent covenant that Microsoft provides to Novell and its end users , " Brian Goldfarb , director of Web and user experience platforms at Microsoft , told InternetNews.com .
" We 're now increasing the reach of the agreement    Microsoft 's commitment not to sue Novell or Novell 's customers now extends to redistributors .
" ' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>darthcamaro writes "Moonlight 2.0, Novell's open source implementation of the Microsoft media framework, is now available and comes with a new patent promise from Microsoft.
Any Linux user can use it now without worrying about being sued: '"A really important change in how the community and individuals will see and use Moonlight is a change and extension to the patent covenant that Microsoft provides to Novell and its end users," Brian Goldfarb, director of Web and user experience platforms at Microsoft, told InternetNews.com.
"We're now increasing the reach of the agreement — Microsoft's commitment not to sue Novell or Novell's customers now extends to redistributors.
"'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477244</id>
	<title>Re:That's Great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261080960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I, in turn, promise not throw a chair at Steve Ballmer's head.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes, but like TFA contract, there are plenty of loopholes if you think hard enough. For example, that doesn't exclude throwing his head at a chair.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I , in turn , promise not throw a chair at Steve Ballmer 's head.Yes , but like TFA contract , there are plenty of loopholes if you think hard enough .
For example , that does n't exclude throwing his head at a chair .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I, in turn, promise not throw a chair at Steve Ballmer's head.Yes, but like TFA contract, there are plenty of loopholes if you think hard enough.
For example, that doesn't exclude throwing his head at a chair.
   
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476944</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30483326</id>
	<title>Publicity stunt...</title>
	<author>cntThnkofAname</author>
	<datestamp>1261068540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure this reflects what the PR office for MS thinks should be done more than the people running MS. The problem is that the PR office doesn't actually run MS. If someone on top gets it through their head that moonlight is causing them a loss in profit I doubt this "promise" will last.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure this reflects what the PR office for MS thinks should be done more than the people running MS. The problem is that the PR office does n't actually run MS. If someone on top gets it through their head that moonlight is causing them a loss in profit I doubt this " promise " will last .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure this reflects what the PR office for MS thinks should be done more than the people running MS. The problem is that the PR office doesn't actually run MS. If someone on top gets it through their head that moonlight is causing them a loss in profit I doubt this "promise" will last.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478818</id>
	<title>Re:Not a prob</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261043460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To me the problem is using a platform where somebody must <i>promise not to sue me</i> to even begin to make it viable. Never mind appealing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To me the problem is using a platform where somebody must promise not to sue me to even begin to make it viable .
Never mind appealing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To me the problem is using a platform where somebody must promise not to sue me to even begin to make it viable.
Never mind appealing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477138</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477198</id>
	<title>Look at this from another perspective...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261080840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If somebody starts screaming "NO!  I'M NOT GOING TO KILL YOU" what should you do?   I don't know about you, but I'm running as fast as hell away from that person.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If somebody starts screaming " NO !
I 'M NOT GOING TO KILL YOU " what should you do ?
I do n't know about you , but I 'm running as fast as hell away from that person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If somebody starts screaming "NO!
I'M NOT GOING TO KILL YOU" what should you do?
I don't know about you, but I'm running as fast as hell away from that person.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477590</id>
	<title>What about corporate developers or commercial use?</title>
	<author>greed</author>
	<datestamp>1261082160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Hmmm....</p><blockquote><div><p> <a href="http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3641676" title="internetnews.com" rel="nofollow">
Microsoft has also pledged not to pursue patent claims against individual open source developers or non-commercial efforts, as well.</a> [internetnews.com]</p></div></blockquote><p>
As was (once again) pointed out on Groklaw recently, this sort of language is a <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091216132136161" title="groklaw.net" rel="nofollow">restriction that is incompatible with the GPL</a> [groklaw.net].  (GPLv2 section 6, much more explicit about patents in GPLv3 section 11.)
</p><p>
Far safer to avoid Microsoft patented technology than to rely on such a promise.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm... . Microsoft has also pledged not to pursue patent claims against individual open source developers or non-commercial efforts , as well .
[ internetnews.com ] As was ( once again ) pointed out on Groklaw recently , this sort of language is a restriction that is incompatible with the GPL [ groklaw.net ] .
( GPLv2 section 6 , much more explicit about patents in GPLv3 section 11 .
) Far safer to avoid Microsoft patented technology than to rely on such a promise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Hmmm.... 
Microsoft has also pledged not to pursue patent claims against individual open source developers or non-commercial efforts, as well.
[internetnews.com]
As was (once again) pointed out on Groklaw recently, this sort of language is a restriction that is incompatible with the GPL [groklaw.net].
(GPLv2 section 6, much more explicit about patents in GPLv3 section 11.
)

Far safer to avoid Microsoft patented technology than to rely on such a promise.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30528892</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>CityZen</author>
	<datestamp>1261476060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; achieve the same thing like by implementing features that are not supported in other platforms.</p><p>I think you hit upon it exactly.  There's usually loopholes around legal issues.  It works in MS's favor to have everyone embrace their technology; then, they can make their own platform special by extending the technology in ways that others cannot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; achieve the same thing like by implementing features that are not supported in other platforms.I think you hit upon it exactly .
There 's usually loopholes around legal issues .
It works in MS 's favor to have everyone embrace their technology ; then , they can make their own platform special by extending the technology in ways that others can not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; achieve the same thing like by implementing features that are not supported in other platforms.I think you hit upon it exactly.
There's usually loopholes around legal issues.
It works in MS's favor to have everyone embrace their technology; then, they can make their own platform special by extending the technology in ways that others cannot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476960</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477000</id>
	<title>IT'S A TRAP!</title>
	<author>h4rr4r</author>
	<datestamp>1261080000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Without the DRM pack it is totally worthless. Plus it is far behind silverlight.</p><p>IT'S A TRAP!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without the DRM pack it is totally worthless .
Plus it is far behind silverlight.IT 'S A TRAP !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without the DRM pack it is totally worthless.
Plus it is far behind silverlight.IT'S A TRAP!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477286</id>
	<title>Re:Flash</title>
	<author>DoofusOfDeath</author>
	<datestamp>1261081140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>This helps them to compete with flash much more effectively. Now they are putting rest on doubters to use it on linux. I think this is good. Also, this helps Adobe to work hard on developing much better support for Linux.</p></div></blockquote><p>And what do you think will happen if/when MS succeeds in pushing Flash out of the marketplace?</p><p>Just how much peace/love/flowers/self-restraint Microsoft's legal department will have once they no longer need to woo users away from Flash?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This helps them to compete with flash much more effectively .
Now they are putting rest on doubters to use it on linux .
I think this is good .
Also , this helps Adobe to work hard on developing much better support for Linux.And what do you think will happen if/when MS succeeds in pushing Flash out of the marketplace ? Just how much peace/love/flowers/self-restraint Microsoft 's legal department will have once they no longer need to woo users away from Flash ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This helps them to compete with flash much more effectively.
Now they are putting rest on doubters to use it on linux.
I think this is good.
Also, this helps Adobe to work hard on developing much better support for Linux.And what do you think will happen if/when MS succeeds in pushing Flash out of the marketplace?Just how much peace/love/flowers/self-restraint Microsoft's legal department will have once they no longer need to woo users away from Flash?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477042</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477370</id>
	<title>Re:Marketing Message?</title>
	<author>mr\_lizard13</author>
	<datestamp>1261081440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>*ducks under the desk for cover from the coming <b>chair</b>*</p></div><p>
There, fixed that for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>* ducks under the desk for cover from the coming chair * There , fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*ducks under the desk for cover from the coming chair*
There, fixed that for you.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476974</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477262</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>ThatsLoseNotLoose</author>
	<datestamp>1261081020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or how about you try to be helpful instead of snarky and give a one-line summary definition:</p><p>Reliance-based estoppels&mdash;These involve one party relying on something the other party has done or said.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or how about you try to be helpful instead of snarky and give a one-line summary definition : Reliance-based estoppels    These involve one party relying on something the other party has done or said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or how about you try to be helpful instead of snarky and give a one-line summary definition:Reliance-based estoppels—These involve one party relying on something the other party has done or said.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477070</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30479374</id>
	<title>Re:That's Great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261045380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You forgot to mention: a souvenir.<br>They also seem to be popular projectiles these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot to mention : a souvenir.They also seem to be popular projectiles these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot to mention: a souvenir.They also seem to be popular projectiles these days.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477604</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30479500</id>
	<title>modifications</title>
	<author>StripedCow</author>
	<datestamp>1261045800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much does the software need to be modified until it is not covered by the covenant anymore?<br>Or is that impossible?<br>If so, they could just as well give up the patents... so I don't think that is the case.<br>So at least it is <b>some</b> kind of trap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much does the software need to be modified until it is not covered by the covenant anymore ? Or is that impossible ? If so , they could just as well give up the patents... so I do n't think that is the case.So at least it is some kind of trap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much does the software need to be modified until it is not covered by the covenant anymore?Or is that impossible?If so, they could just as well give up the patents... so I don't think that is the case.So at least it is some kind of trap.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476852</id>
	<title>Netflix</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261079520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does this mean that I can finally watch Netflix streams on Linux??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this mean that I can finally watch Netflix streams on Linux ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this mean that I can finally watch Netflix streams on Linux?
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478296</id>
	<title>And the scorpion</title>
	<author>Ukab the Great</author>
	<datestamp>1261041420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Promised not to sting the frog.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Promised not to sting the frog .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Promised not to sting the frog.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477564</id>
	<title>Re:Flash</title>
	<author>h4rr4r</author>
	<datestamp>1261082040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Without the latest features and the DRM pack, moonlight is useless. This is just EEE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without the latest features and the DRM pack , moonlight is useless .
This is just EEE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without the latest features and the DRM pack, moonlight is useless.
This is just EEE.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477042</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478086</id>
	<title>Moonlight 2.0 users, you're safe</title>
	<author>joeflies</author>
	<datestamp>1261040700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Moonlight 3.0 users, watch out</htmltext>
<tokenext>Moonlight 3.0 users , watch out</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moonlight 3.0 users, watch out</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477292</id>
	<title>Redistributors only or forks too?</title>
	<author>Gopal.V</author>
	<datestamp>1261081140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
What happens to developers? Just in case, we fork out Novell's moonlight tree because they got bought by someone (*cough* mysql, *cough*), will the conventant apply to us? Or does it only apply to code written by Novell &amp; redistributed by others? Does this indirectly kill the freedom to modify &amp; redistribute? like that firefox logo thing?
</p><p>
Alright, I admit it, I do have an axe to grind against silverlight (and flash too, I guess). But this covenant just goes on to establish precedent in terms of patent coverage<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... (yes, note my domain, I've been through this before).
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens to developers ?
Just in case , we fork out Novell 's moonlight tree because they got bought by someone ( * cough * mysql , * cough * ) , will the conventant apply to us ?
Or does it only apply to code written by Novell &amp; redistributed by others ?
Does this indirectly kill the freedom to modify &amp; redistribute ?
like that firefox logo thing ?
Alright , I admit it , I do have an axe to grind against silverlight ( and flash too , I guess ) .
But this covenant just goes on to establish precedent in terms of patent coverage ... ( yes , note my domain , I 've been through this before ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
What happens to developers?
Just in case, we fork out Novell's moonlight tree because they got bought by someone (*cough* mysql, *cough*), will the conventant apply to us?
Or does it only apply to code written by Novell &amp; redistributed by others?
Does this indirectly kill the freedom to modify &amp; redistribute?
like that firefox logo thing?
Alright, I admit it, I do have an axe to grind against silverlight (and flash too, I guess).
But this covenant just goes on to establish precedent in terms of patent coverage ... (yes, note my domain, I've been through this before).
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477042</id>
	<title>Flash</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261080180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This helps them to compete with flash much more effectively. Now they are putting rest on doubters to use it on linux.
I think this is good. Also, this helps Adobe to work hard on developing much better support for Linux.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This helps them to compete with flash much more effectively .
Now they are putting rest on doubters to use it on linux .
I think this is good .
Also , this helps Adobe to work hard on developing much better support for Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This helps them to compete with flash much more effectively.
Now they are putting rest on doubters to use it on linux.
I think this is good.
Also, this helps Adobe to work hard on developing much better support for Linux.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476938</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261079880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*Yawn*  The '90s called, it wants its GNU revolution back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* Yawn * The '90s called , it wants its GNU revolution back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*Yawn*  The '90s called, it wants its GNU revolution back.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476868</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30479090</id>
	<title>Re:What if...</title>
	<author>Pofy</author>
	<datestamp>1261044420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;What if I already wasn't worried about being sued<br>&gt;because my country doesn't recognise software patents</p><p>What if one would live in a country that do not only recognize software patents but also makes it criminal to infringe them (something for example proposed in Europe not long ago)? Since one doesn't have a license one would still infringe the patent even if Microsoft agrees to not press charges.</p><p>Or what if the patent for some reason would end up in someone elses hand than Microsoft? Again since one doesn't have a license, one can be in trouble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; What if I already was n't worried about being sued &gt; because my country does n't recognise software patentsWhat if one would live in a country that do not only recognize software patents but also makes it criminal to infringe them ( something for example proposed in Europe not long ago ) ?
Since one does n't have a license one would still infringe the patent even if Microsoft agrees to not press charges.Or what if the patent for some reason would end up in someone elses hand than Microsoft ?
Again since one does n't have a license , one can be in trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;What if I already wasn't worried about being sued&gt;because my country doesn't recognise software patentsWhat if one would live in a country that do not only recognize software patents but also makes it criminal to infringe them (something for example proposed in Europe not long ago)?
Since one doesn't have a license one would still infringe the patent even if Microsoft agrees to not press charges.Or what if the patent for some reason would end up in someone elses hand than Microsoft?
Again since one doesn't have a license, one can be in trouble.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476824</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477818</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>Anachragnome</author>
	<datestamp>1261082940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Really, what's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced, then changing the deal?"</p><p>A broad-reaching statement that they wouldn't sue?</p><p>I'm sure someone would bring it up in court if they did sue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Really , what 's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced , then changing the deal ?
" A broad-reaching statement that they would n't sue ? I 'm sure someone would bring it up in court if they did sue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Really, what's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced, then changing the deal?
"A broad-reaching statement that they wouldn't sue?I'm sure someone would bring it up in court if they did sue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476868</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476960</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261079940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am not a lawyer. I dont think that kind of tactics goes well with the Judge. It also brings a bad rep from MSs customers.
I do not think MS will do that kind of thing.
There are other ways to achieve the same thing like by implementing features that are not supported in other platforms.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not a lawyer .
I dont think that kind of tactics goes well with the Judge .
It also brings a bad rep from MSs customers .
I do not think MS will do that kind of thing .
There are other ways to achieve the same thing like by implementing features that are not supported in other platforms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not a lawyer.
I dont think that kind of tactics goes well with the Judge.
It also brings a bad rep from MSs customers.
I do not think MS will do that kind of thing.
There are other ways to achieve the same thing like by implementing features that are not supported in other platforms.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476868</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477854</id>
	<title>Great File Upload</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261083060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I use it to upload massive (I mean massive) files over Web Services.  I've tried Flash, a downloadable Windows application, a Java Web Start application, a downloadable Java application, ActiveX plugins etc. etc. etc.</p><p>The best way to upload large files in the browser is Silverlight right now...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I use it to upload massive ( I mean massive ) files over Web Services .
I 've tried Flash , a downloadable Windows application , a Java Web Start application , a downloadable Java application , ActiveX plugins etc .
etc. etc.The best way to upload large files in the browser is Silverlight right now.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I use it to upload massive (I mean massive) files over Web Services.
I've tried Flash, a downloadable Windows application, a Java Web Start application, a downloadable Java application, ActiveX plugins etc.
etc. etc.The best way to upload large files in the browser is Silverlight right now...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477022</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476904</id>
	<title>Wonderful Marketing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261079760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please use our format, even if we didn't sell you anything to view it, we promise we won't sue!</p><p>Now that's marketing in action.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please use our format , even if we did n't sell you anything to view it , we promise we wo n't sue ! Now that 's marketing in action .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please use our format, even if we didn't sell you anything to view it, we promise we won't sue!Now that's marketing in action.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477984</id>
	<title>Can I watch Sunday Night Football yet?</title>
	<author>PinchDuck</author>
	<datestamp>1261083540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is the only site that I care about that uses Silverlight. If I can, great. But I tried it last Sunday, with the latest update from the Ubuntu repositories, and I was instructed to install Silverlight. I feel much better that they won't sue me for using their bitch-slap technology to be prevented from watching content, though. I had been losing sleep over that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is the only site that I care about that uses Silverlight .
If I can , great .
But I tried it last Sunday , with the latest update from the Ubuntu repositories , and I was instructed to install Silverlight .
I feel much better that they wo n't sue me for using their bitch-slap technology to be prevented from watching content , though .
I had been losing sleep over that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is the only site that I care about that uses Silverlight.
If I can, great.
But I tried it last Sunday, with the latest update from the Ubuntu repositories, and I was instructed to install Silverlight.
I feel much better that they won't sue me for using their bitch-slap technology to be prevented from watching content, though.
I had been losing sleep over that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477070</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261080300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Estoppel. Seriously. It would really help the tone of this endlessly recurring argument if people would just look this one up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Estoppel .
Seriously. It would really help the tone of this endlessly recurring argument if people would just look this one up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Estoppel.
Seriously. It would really help the tone of this endlessly recurring argument if people would just look this one up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476972</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478128</id>
	<title>In otter news...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1261040760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A document was found, that showed that Hitler promised not to attack other countries and leave the Jews alone.</p><p>Also the pope just revealed that he had a phone call with the devil, who promised not to take away your soul, if you sold it to him.</p><p>And now for something completely different... THE LARCH!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... a gourmet tree, and fine dam material.</p><p>Thank you for watching otter news!</p><p>P.S.: And you thought it was a typo... Ha! ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A document was found , that showed that Hitler promised not to attack other countries and leave the Jews alone.Also the pope just revealed that he had a phone call with the devil , who promised not to take away your soul , if you sold it to him.And now for something completely different... THE LARCH !
... a gourmet tree , and fine dam material.Thank you for watching otter news ! P.S .
: And you thought it was a typo... Ha ! ^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A document was found, that showed that Hitler promised not to attack other countries and leave the Jews alone.Also the pope just revealed that he had a phone call with the devil, who promised not to take away your soul, if you sold it to him.And now for something completely different... THE LARCH!
... a gourmet tree, and fine dam material.Thank you for watching otter news!P.S.
: And you thought it was a typo... Ha! ^^</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30480194</id>
	<title>Microsoft cannot be trust.  Not now, not ever.</title>
	<author>ilsaloving</author>
	<datestamp>1261048680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From "DOS ain't done till Lotus won't run" right up to the very recent destruction of international standards bodies in order to push their office file formats, Microsoft has proven time and again that they operate at a level of maliciousness far beyond general corporate sociopathy.  They've had several decades and countless opportunities to prove otherwise, and they have chosen not to do so.  Anyone who believes that Microsoft is moving away from the Dark Side is deluded to the point of insanity.</p><p>If Microsoft truly wants to turn a new leaf, they will still need to spend at least a decade doing good things before people will even start giving them the benefit of the doubt.  They may never be able to gain anything resembling trust.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From " DOS ai n't done till Lotus wo n't run " right up to the very recent destruction of international standards bodies in order to push their office file formats , Microsoft has proven time and again that they operate at a level of maliciousness far beyond general corporate sociopathy .
They 've had several decades and countless opportunities to prove otherwise , and they have chosen not to do so .
Anyone who believes that Microsoft is moving away from the Dark Side is deluded to the point of insanity.If Microsoft truly wants to turn a new leaf , they will still need to spend at least a decade doing good things before people will even start giving them the benefit of the doubt .
They may never be able to gain anything resembling trust .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From "DOS ain't done till Lotus won't run" right up to the very recent destruction of international standards bodies in order to push their office file formats, Microsoft has proven time and again that they operate at a level of maliciousness far beyond general corporate sociopathy.
They've had several decades and countless opportunities to prove otherwise, and they have chosen not to do so.
Anyone who believes that Microsoft is moving away from the Dark Side is deluded to the point of insanity.If Microsoft truly wants to turn a new leaf, they will still need to spend at least a decade doing good things before people will even start giving them the benefit of the doubt.
They may never be able to gain anything resembling trust.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477362</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>PinkyGigglebrain</author>
	<datestamp>1261081380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.<br> <br>We don't have time to RTFA and you expect us to look up something because you didn't bother to add a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoppel" title="wikipedia.org">link</a> [wikipedia.org]?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is / .
We do n't have time to RTFA and you expect us to look up something because you did n't bother to add a link [ wikipedia.org ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is /.
We don't have time to RTFA and you expect us to look up something because you didn't bother to add a link [wikipedia.org]?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477070</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30480170</id>
	<title>No thanks</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1261048560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let me guess, this is going to be permanently outdated like Mono and there were no catches they'd just say it's free. They will revoke the promise when it suits them.
<br> <br>
That and from my experience of Silverlight on Windows, it's shit. As far as Flash replacements go, it's like replacing a turd with a turd that's been polished with your father's semen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me guess , this is going to be permanently outdated like Mono and there were no catches they 'd just say it 's free .
They will revoke the promise when it suits them .
That and from my experience of Silverlight on Windows , it 's shit .
As far as Flash replacements go , it 's like replacing a turd with a turd that 's been polished with your father 's semen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me guess, this is going to be permanently outdated like Mono and there were no catches they'd just say it's free.
They will revoke the promise when it suits them.
That and from my experience of Silverlight on Windows, it's shit.
As far as Flash replacements go, it's like replacing a turd with a turd that's been polished with your father's semen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478576</id>
	<title>Re:Not a prob</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261042620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually thats even the real problem. The real one is that once microsoft spreads it around everywhere, they'll start tacking on 'features' only available on their windows platform. Then they'll release a new version with these features but without their promise, and everyone who drank the kool-aid is pretty much SOL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually thats even the real problem .
The real one is that once microsoft spreads it around everywhere , they 'll start tacking on 'features ' only available on their windows platform .
Then they 'll release a new version with these features but without their promise , and everyone who drank the kool-aid is pretty much SOL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually thats even the real problem.
The real one is that once microsoft spreads it around everywhere, they'll start tacking on 'features' only available on their windows platform.
Then they'll release a new version with these features but without their promise, and everyone who drank the kool-aid is pretty much SOL.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477138</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478420</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>jsnipy</author>
	<datestamp>1261041960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Altered Bargain</htmltext>
<tokenext>Altered Bargain</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Altered Bargain</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476868</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477212</id>
	<title>I don't know what to beleive</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1261080840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>When Steve Balmer says <a href="http://battellemedia.com/archives/001835.php" title="battellemedia.com">"Fucking Eric Schmidt is a fucking pussy. I'm going to fucking bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to fucking kill Google."</a> [battellemedia.com] we are not supposed to believe this is an actual threat, but when he says "we won't sue you", we're supposed to believe he's telling the literal truth?</htmltext>
<tokenext>When Steve Balmer says " Fucking Eric Schmidt is a fucking pussy .
I 'm going to fucking bury that guy , I have done it before , and I will do it again .
I 'm going to fucking kill Google .
" [ battellemedia.com ] we are not supposed to believe this is an actual threat , but when he says " we wo n't sue you " , we 're supposed to believe he 's telling the literal truth ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When Steve Balmer says "Fucking Eric Schmidt is a fucking pussy.
I'm going to fucking bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again.
I'm going to fucking kill Google.
" [battellemedia.com] we are not supposed to believe this is an actual threat, but when he says "we won't sue you", we're supposed to believe he's telling the literal truth?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30479002</id>
	<title>Re:Sod Off Microsoft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261044120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Netflix works quite well in Silverlight.  Even if video playback is the only use, I definitely prefer it to Flash.</p><p>Originally, I was annoyed that another Flash was appearing, but it works many times better than Flash, and it helps to improve Flash through competition.  After all, Adobe is not exactly known for remotely caring about security (see numerous unpatched PDF flaws and Flash issues).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Netflix works quite well in Silverlight .
Even if video playback is the only use , I definitely prefer it to Flash.Originally , I was annoyed that another Flash was appearing , but it works many times better than Flash , and it helps to improve Flash through competition .
After all , Adobe is not exactly known for remotely caring about security ( see numerous unpatched PDF flaws and Flash issues ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Netflix works quite well in Silverlight.
Even if video playback is the only use, I definitely prefer it to Flash.Originally, I was annoyed that another Flash was appearing, but it works many times better than Flash, and it helps to improve Flash through competition.
After all, Adobe is not exactly known for remotely caring about security (see numerous unpatched PDF flaws and Flash issues).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477022</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30503256</id>
	<title>Get 'em hooked!</title>
	<author>dudeeh</author>
	<datestamp>1261314180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hadn't realized that the "promise" was version based, I simply assumed the promise for 1.0 also counted for version 2.0, but now I (with my amazing analytical skills) think that it's just a matter of getting people hooked.</p><p>1) Extend functionality to linux, promise not to sue<br>2) Users start using mono-based applications on linux<br>3) Once a large enough \% of users has been reached, withdraw promise from next version<br>4) Linux users lose their favorite apps but microsoft lures them with the promise that they still work in windows!</p><p>Note that this will never work on hardcore linux users, but it's an effective strategy for the "let's see what this ubunter is all 'bout" crowd.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had n't realized that the " promise " was version based , I simply assumed the promise for 1.0 also counted for version 2.0 , but now I ( with my amazing analytical skills ) think that it 's just a matter of getting people hooked.1 ) Extend functionality to linux , promise not to sue2 ) Users start using mono-based applications on linux3 ) Once a large enough \ % of users has been reached , withdraw promise from next version4 ) Linux users lose their favorite apps but microsoft lures them with the promise that they still work in windows ! Note that this will never work on hardcore linux users , but it 's an effective strategy for the " let 's see what this ubunter is all 'bout " crowd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hadn't realized that the "promise" was version based, I simply assumed the promise for 1.0 also counted for version 2.0, but now I (with my amazing analytical skills) think that it's just a matter of getting people hooked.1) Extend functionality to linux, promise not to sue2) Users start using mono-based applications on linux3) Once a large enough \% of users has been reached, withdraw promise from next version4) Linux users lose their favorite apps but microsoft lures them with the promise that they still work in windows!Note that this will never work on hardcore linux users, but it's an effective strategy for the "let's see what this ubunter is all 'bout" crowd.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30480666</id>
	<title>Re:Netflix</title>
	<author>aztracker1</author>
	<datestamp>1261050540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wish.  To be honest, I wouldn't expect it, you may see netflix work with the mono guys to implement their own DRM streaming option for Moonlight though.  A much higher chance of seeing a netflix extension for moonlight streaming than MS porting their DRM scheme for use in Moonlight.  Not to mention that the MS DRM system is probably heavily tied to the Windows security libraries under the covers, that aren't really part of Silverlight proper.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish .
To be honest , I would n't expect it , you may see netflix work with the mono guys to implement their own DRM streaming option for Moonlight though .
A much higher chance of seeing a netflix extension for moonlight streaming than MS porting their DRM scheme for use in Moonlight .
Not to mention that the MS DRM system is probably heavily tied to the Windows security libraries under the covers , that are n't really part of Silverlight proper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish.
To be honest, I wouldn't expect it, you may see netflix work with the mono guys to implement their own DRM streaming option for Moonlight though.
A much higher chance of seeing a netflix extension for moonlight streaming than MS porting their DRM scheme for use in Moonlight.
Not to mention that the MS DRM system is probably heavily tied to the Windows security libraries under the covers, that aren't really part of Silverlight proper.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476852</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30483972</id>
	<title>Re:IT'S A TRAP!</title>
	<author>nametaken</author>
	<datestamp>1261075800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Absolutely right.  Silverlight is good for Netflix.  That's about it... and we can't use that without the DRM pack.</p><p>So.... sorry MS, not biting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolutely right .
Silverlight is good for Netflix .
That 's about it... and we ca n't use that without the DRM pack.So.... sorry MS , not biting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolutely right.
Silverlight is good for Netflix.
That's about it... and we can't use that without the DRM pack.So.... sorry MS, not biting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477000</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477688</id>
	<title>Re:What if...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261082520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then you should worry about the B52's .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then you should worry about the B52 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then you should worry about the B52's .</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476824</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476824</id>
	<title>What if...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261079400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if I already wasn't worried about being sued because my country doesn't recognise software patents</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if I already was n't worried about being sued because my country does n't recognise software patents</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if I already wasn't worried about being sued because my country doesn't recognise software patents</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477454</id>
	<title>That's nice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261081680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Still I don't trust Microsoft and I have plentiful good reasons for not doing so.  Thus I have no intention of ever installing Mono and would strongly discourage anybody else from using it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Still I do n't trust Microsoft and I have plentiful good reasons for not doing so .
Thus I have no intention of ever installing Mono and would strongly discourage anybody else from using it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still I don't trust Microsoft and I have plentiful good reasons for not doing so.
Thus I have no intention of ever installing Mono and would strongly discourage anybody else from using it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30480730</id>
	<title>Re:Lies, damn lies, statistics, &amp; Microsoft pr</title>
	<author>batkiwi</author>
	<datestamp>1261050900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I run ubuntu on every computer I own apart from my mac mini (OSX obviously), but that's basically been ubuntu's release strategy as well.</p><p>"Ubuntu X.YY: most things suck less than before, but we probably fucked up sound again"<br>"Ubuntu X.YY+1: most things suck less than before even more, I think we fixed sound"</p><p>"Mythbuntu  X.YY+1: we just removed the sound engine so that it will work"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I run ubuntu on every computer I own apart from my mac mini ( OSX obviously ) , but that 's basically been ubuntu 's release strategy as well .
" Ubuntu X.YY : most things suck less than before , but we probably fucked up sound again " " Ubuntu X.YY + 1 : most things suck less than before even more , I think we fixed sound " " Mythbuntu X.YY + 1 : we just removed the sound engine so that it will work "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run ubuntu on every computer I own apart from my mac mini (OSX obviously), but that's basically been ubuntu's release strategy as well.
"Ubuntu X.YY: most things suck less than before, but we probably fucked up sound again""Ubuntu X.YY+1: most things suck less than before even more, I think we fixed sound""Mythbuntu  X.YY+1: we just removed the sound engine so that it will work"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477256</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477060</id>
	<title>Microsoft Marketing</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1261080240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's Microsoft Marketing at its best, isn't it? "Use stuff compatible with ours, we promise we won't sue you."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's Microsoft Marketing at its best , is n't it ?
" Use stuff compatible with ours , we promise we wo n't sue you .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's Microsoft Marketing at its best, isn't it?
"Use stuff compatible with ours, we promise we won't sue you.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477138</id>
	<title>Not a prob</title>
	<author>ultrabot</author>
	<datestamp>1261080600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is not being sued.</p><p>The problem is that we don't necessarily want this MS-driven environment to become popular among devs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is not being sued.The problem is that we do n't necessarily want this MS-driven environment to become popular among devs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is not being sued.The problem is that we don't necessarily want this MS-driven environment to become popular among devs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30482906</id>
	<title>Re:Sod Off Microsoft</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1261064520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; The only time I've ever used Silverlight is when I've watched<br>&gt; SkyTV online in the UK as a media thingy for your browser.<br><br>Okay, that's the *third* use for Silverlight that I've heard of.  The other two (playing around with the demo site Microsoft set up to advertise Silverlight, and using something called MediaSite to view quarterly state library "webinars" on the current state of library funding) didn't interest me either.  So yeah, Silverlight is a solution in search of a problem.  Is there anyone outside of Redmond who didn't know that?<br><br>Furthermore, even if Silverlight were awesomely useful and made whole new kinds of incredibly cool sites possible that were barely conceivable before, Moonlight would still be an astonishingly bad idea for the open-source community.<br><br>I mean, yeah, instead of protecting the open platform-neutral internet, let's actively help Microsoft decommoditize and proprietize it and make it part of the Windows-centric integrated Microsoft product offering stack, so that web developers all end up using Visual Studio and doing everything with functions provided by IIS and SQL Server and DirectX.  That'll sure improve things for everyone.&lt;/sarcasm&gt;<br><br>If you didn't realize before that Moonlight was a bad idea, think about the fact that Microsoft is making this promise not to sue, and what that implies.  I don't mean Microsoft's motivation in making the promise, because that's debatable.  No, I'm talking about the fact that anyone would even *wonder* whether they might sue Moonlight users, the fact that the promise is even necessary or meaningful, the fact that they would even think to make it.  That is in itself a dead giveaway that relying on Moonlight for anything that matters is playing with fire.  Frankly, if Microsoft released a closed-source Silverlight plugin for Linux systems, that would scare me less.<br><br>Actually, I consider the whole Mono project to be an inherently brain-damaged idea.  I absolutely do not want Mono installed on any computer I use or administer.  Ever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The only time I 've ever used Silverlight is when I 've watched &gt; SkyTV online in the UK as a media thingy for your browser.Okay , that 's the * third * use for Silverlight that I 've heard of .
The other two ( playing around with the demo site Microsoft set up to advertise Silverlight , and using something called MediaSite to view quarterly state library " webinars " on the current state of library funding ) did n't interest me either .
So yeah , Silverlight is a solution in search of a problem .
Is there anyone outside of Redmond who did n't know that ? Furthermore , even if Silverlight were awesomely useful and made whole new kinds of incredibly cool sites possible that were barely conceivable before , Moonlight would still be an astonishingly bad idea for the open-source community.I mean , yeah , instead of protecting the open platform-neutral internet , let 's actively help Microsoft decommoditize and proprietize it and make it part of the Windows-centric integrated Microsoft product offering stack , so that web developers all end up using Visual Studio and doing everything with functions provided by IIS and SQL Server and DirectX .
That 'll sure improve things for everyone.If you did n't realize before that Moonlight was a bad idea , think about the fact that Microsoft is making this promise not to sue , and what that implies .
I do n't mean Microsoft 's motivation in making the promise , because that 's debatable .
No , I 'm talking about the fact that anyone would even * wonder * whether they might sue Moonlight users , the fact that the promise is even necessary or meaningful , the fact that they would even think to make it .
That is in itself a dead giveaway that relying on Moonlight for anything that matters is playing with fire .
Frankly , if Microsoft released a closed-source Silverlight plugin for Linux systems , that would scare me less.Actually , I consider the whole Mono project to be an inherently brain-damaged idea .
I absolutely do not want Mono installed on any computer I use or administer .
Ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; The only time I've ever used Silverlight is when I've watched&gt; SkyTV online in the UK as a media thingy for your browser.Okay, that's the *third* use for Silverlight that I've heard of.
The other two (playing around with the demo site Microsoft set up to advertise Silverlight, and using something called MediaSite to view quarterly state library "webinars" on the current state of library funding) didn't interest me either.
So yeah, Silverlight is a solution in search of a problem.
Is there anyone outside of Redmond who didn't know that?Furthermore, even if Silverlight were awesomely useful and made whole new kinds of incredibly cool sites possible that were barely conceivable before, Moonlight would still be an astonishingly bad idea for the open-source community.I mean, yeah, instead of protecting the open platform-neutral internet, let's actively help Microsoft decommoditize and proprietize it and make it part of the Windows-centric integrated Microsoft product offering stack, so that web developers all end up using Visual Studio and doing everything with functions provided by IIS and SQL Server and DirectX.
That'll sure improve things for everyone.If you didn't realize before that Moonlight was a bad idea, think about the fact that Microsoft is making this promise not to sue, and what that implies.
I don't mean Microsoft's motivation in making the promise, because that's debatable.
No, I'm talking about the fact that anyone would even *wonder* whether they might sue Moonlight users, the fact that the promise is even necessary or meaningful, the fact that they would even think to make it.
That is in itself a dead giveaway that relying on Moonlight for anything that matters is playing with fire.
Frankly, if Microsoft released a closed-source Silverlight plugin for Linux systems, that would scare me less.Actually, I consider the whole Mono project to be an inherently brain-damaged idea.
I absolutely do not want Mono installed on any computer I use or administer.
Ever.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477022</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30487772</id>
	<title>Promise one thing and I install Silverlight</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261154160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will the Silverlight 3 content work on Mono 2 plugin without ANY MODIFICATIONS? OK, it is Mono, open source guys won't like your DRM right? Tell me one more thing... Will Silverlight 3 content work on OS X without ANY MODIFICATIONS?</p><p>On the other hand, Flash 10 content will work exactly the same on 3 different desktop OS'es and soon (if not already for some), all mobile devices.</p><p>MS, you played your hand and lost it. Please, get rid of your puppets, start coding a EQUAL plugin for all Desktop and Mobile devices and ship it. I promise I will install and use it if you absolutely promise you won't break any kind of compatibility in the future no matter what happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will the Silverlight 3 content work on Mono 2 plugin without ANY MODIFICATIONS ?
OK , it is Mono , open source guys wo n't like your DRM right ?
Tell me one more thing... Will Silverlight 3 content work on OS X without ANY MODIFICATIONS ? On the other hand , Flash 10 content will work exactly the same on 3 different desktop OS'es and soon ( if not already for some ) , all mobile devices.MS , you played your hand and lost it .
Please , get rid of your puppets , start coding a EQUAL plugin for all Desktop and Mobile devices and ship it .
I promise I will install and use it if you absolutely promise you wo n't break any kind of compatibility in the future no matter what happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will the Silverlight 3 content work on Mono 2 plugin without ANY MODIFICATIONS?
OK, it is Mono, open source guys won't like your DRM right?
Tell me one more thing... Will Silverlight 3 content work on OS X without ANY MODIFICATIONS?On the other hand, Flash 10 content will work exactly the same on 3 different desktop OS'es and soon (if not already for some), all mobile devices.MS, you played your hand and lost it.
Please, get rid of your puppets, start coding a EQUAL plugin for all Desktop and Mobile devices and ship it.
I promise I will install and use it if you absolutely promise you won't break any kind of compatibility in the future no matter what happens.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30480520</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>AHuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1261049880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"I do not think MS will do that kind of thing."<br>
MS killed the MSN Music DRM keys, they can kill your code too<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)<br>
Embrace always feels like a rush,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..  extend and extinguish.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" I do not think MS will do that kind of thing .
" MS killed the MSN Music DRM keys , they can kill your code too ; ) Embrace always feels like a rush , .. extend and extinguish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I do not think MS will do that kind of thing.
"
MS killed the MSN Music DRM keys, they can kill your code too ;)
Embrace always feels like a rush, ..  extend and extinguish.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476960</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30479220</id>
	<title>The Exception that Proves the Rule?</title>
	<author>srobert</author>
	<datestamp>1261044840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this giving Microsoft a future "exception that proves the rule" argument? Sort of like "I hereby give each of you permission to walk on the public sidewalk in front of my house for the next three days."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this giving Microsoft a future " exception that proves the rule " argument ?
Sort of like " I hereby give each of you permission to walk on the public sidewalk in front of my house for the next three days .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this giving Microsoft a future "exception that proves the rule" argument?
Sort of like "I hereby give each of you permission to walk on the public sidewalk in front of my house for the next three days.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30480928</id>
	<title>Sheeple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261052160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who the fuck would use that shit anyway?  Why the fuck is Migeal De Whatever pimping Microsoft shit onto FOSS?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who the fuck would use that shit anyway ?
Why the fuck is Migeal De Whatever pimping Microsoft shit onto FOSS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who the fuck would use that shit anyway?
Why the fuck is Migeal De Whatever pimping Microsoft shit onto FOSS?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478406</id>
	<title>Re:Flash</title>
	<author>Dan Ost</author>
	<datestamp>1261041900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And what do you think will happen if/when MS succeeds in pushing Flash out of the marketplace?</p></div><p>What exactly does flash or silverlight offer that isn't included in HTML5?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And what do you think will happen if/when MS succeeds in pushing Flash out of the marketplace ? What exactly does flash or silverlight offer that is n't included in HTML5 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what do you think will happen if/when MS succeeds in pushing Flash out of the marketplace?What exactly does flash or silverlight offer that isn't included in HTML5?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477286</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477234</id>
	<title>Clearly...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261080900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>IT'S A TRAP!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>IT 'S A TRAP ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IT'S A TRAP!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476944</id>
	<title>That's Great!</title>
	<author>okmijnuhb</author>
	<datestamp>1261079880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I, in turn, promise not throw a chair at Steve Ballmer's head.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I , in turn , promise not throw a chair at Steve Ballmer 's head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I, in turn, promise not throw a chair at Steve Ballmer's head.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478374</id>
	<title>Embrace, extend, extinguish</title>
	<author>jabjoe</author>
	<datestamp>1261041720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Judge them by their past actions not words. It's the same old trick we have seen again and again. If you embrace this standard, you will be extended and extinguished. I won't be surprised if there is suing down the line too, despite these promises, which no doubt only cover EXACTLY what there is now, under EXACT circumstances. They are fighting not just for their dominance but their way of doing software. It just takes my breath anyway anyone buys it to this. But these tend to be people who believe everything will be<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET/Mono and the whole thin client thing, sorry cloud thing too. Not sure how fat apps fit into the thin client view, but there you go....Maybe it will work better than it did last time with Java and thin clients, maybe BECAUSE of MS's embrace, extend, extinguish. But if it does, it will do nothing but greatly harm any platform not MS's, which harms everyone. Think IE without Firefox turning up, or Windows (Vista) without Linux netbooks turning up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Judge them by their past actions not words .
It 's the same old trick we have seen again and again .
If you embrace this standard , you will be extended and extinguished .
I wo n't be surprised if there is suing down the line too , despite these promises , which no doubt only cover EXACTLY what there is now , under EXACT circumstances .
They are fighting not just for their dominance but their way of doing software .
It just takes my breath anyway anyone buys it to this .
But these tend to be people who believe everything will be .NET/Mono and the whole thin client thing , sorry cloud thing too .
Not sure how fat apps fit into the thin client view , but there you go....Maybe it will work better than it did last time with Java and thin clients , maybe BECAUSE of MS 's embrace , extend , extinguish .
But if it does , it will do nothing but greatly harm any platform not MS 's , which harms everyone .
Think IE without Firefox turning up , or Windows ( Vista ) without Linux netbooks turning up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Judge them by their past actions not words.
It's the same old trick we have seen again and again.
If you embrace this standard, you will be extended and extinguished.
I won't be surprised if there is suing down the line too, despite these promises, which no doubt only cover EXACTLY what there is now, under EXACT circumstances.
They are fighting not just for their dominance but their way of doing software.
It just takes my breath anyway anyone buys it to this.
But these tend to be people who believe everything will be .NET/Mono and the whole thin client thing, sorry cloud thing too.
Not sure how fat apps fit into the thin client view, but there you go....Maybe it will work better than it did last time with Java and thin clients, maybe BECAUSE of MS's embrace, extend, extinguish.
But if it does, it will do nothing but greatly harm any platform not MS's, which harms everyone.
Think IE without Firefox turning up, or Windows (Vista) without Linux netbooks turning up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30479128</id>
	<title>Sorry, but no deal.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261044540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am no fanboy. My machine has an NVIDIA card and tuns of closed-source games on it.</p><p>That said, I am not stupid. I know that if Silverlight ever becomes a dominant force in the realm of content delivery, MS will stab me in the back by either deliberately slowing development on the Linux version, or making it incompatible with the latest version that runs on Windows.</p><p>We should stick with Flash. It may suck, but at least it isn't controlled by a monopoly OS vendor who lacks any kind of ethics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am no fanboy .
My machine has an NVIDIA card and tuns of closed-source games on it.That said , I am not stupid .
I know that if Silverlight ever becomes a dominant force in the realm of content delivery , MS will stab me in the back by either deliberately slowing development on the Linux version , or making it incompatible with the latest version that runs on Windows.We should stick with Flash .
It may suck , but at least it is n't controlled by a monopoly OS vendor who lacks any kind of ethics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am no fanboy.
My machine has an NVIDIA card and tuns of closed-source games on it.That said, I am not stupid.
I know that if Silverlight ever becomes a dominant force in the realm of content delivery, MS will stab me in the back by either deliberately slowing development on the Linux version, or making it incompatible with the latest version that runs on Windows.We should stick with Flash.
It may suck, but at least it isn't controlled by a monopoly OS vendor who lacks any kind of ethics.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477664</id>
	<title>doesn't matter?</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1261082460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A promise is not legally binding, right? TFA doesn't provide much detail but I'm a bit skeptical that the Moonlight EULA says anywhere in it, "we will not sue you for using this software."</p><p>Perhaps a legal-type person can shine some light (pun!) on the situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A promise is not legally binding , right ?
TFA does n't provide much detail but I 'm a bit skeptical that the Moonlight EULA says anywhere in it , " we will not sue you for using this software .
" Perhaps a legal-type person can shine some light ( pun !
) on the situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A promise is not legally binding, right?
TFA doesn't provide much detail but I'm a bit skeptical that the Moonlight EULA says anywhere in it, "we will not sue you for using this software.
"Perhaps a legal-type person can shine some light (pun!
) on the situation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477350</id>
	<title>Missing Tag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261081380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>thatsnomoon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>thatsnomoon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>thatsnomoon</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477604</id>
	<title>Re:That's Great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261082220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course that leaves open the keyboard, monitor, mouse, pens, stapler, glasses, letter opener, and anything else in reach, much easier to throw accurately too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course that leaves open the keyboard , monitor , mouse , pens , stapler , glasses , letter opener , and anything else in reach , much easier to throw accurately too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course that leaves open the keyboard, monitor, mouse, pens, stapler, glasses, letter opener, and anything else in reach, much easier to throw accurately too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476944</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477340</id>
	<title>Spam or Publicity?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261081320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you think this new is... spam it's because you read this two words in the same paragraph: "Microsoft" and "promise". Who can trush such new?</p><p>If you think this new is... publicity it's beacuse you read this: "extension to the patent covenant that Microsoft provides to Novell and its end users". AKA: don't wrote your own "moonlight" or you'll be sued.</p><p>Truth? This' just trash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think this new is... spam it 's because you read this two words in the same paragraph : " Microsoft " and " promise " .
Who can trush such new ? If you think this new is... publicity it 's beacuse you read this : " extension to the patent covenant that Microsoft provides to Novell and its end users " .
AKA : do n't wrote your own " moonlight " or you 'll be sued.Truth ?
This ' just trash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think this new is... spam it's because you read this two words in the same paragraph: "Microsoft" and "promise".
Who can trush such new?If you think this new is... publicity it's beacuse you read this: "extension to the patent covenant that Microsoft provides to Novell and its end users".
AKA: don't wrote your own "moonlight" or you'll be sued.Truth?
This' just trash.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30482816</id>
	<title>How about no.</title>
	<author>bmo</author>
	<datestamp>1261063860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No amount of promises from Microsoft can get me to even think about Microsoft proprietary technology in my Linux system.  I am not against closed source (I use Flash), but Microsoft has been "targeting" Linux for over 10 years, and even paid for a lawsuit-by-proxy through SCO.</p><p>No.  I'll have none of that.  Fuck you.</p><p>--<br>BMO</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No amount of promises from Microsoft can get me to even think about Microsoft proprietary technology in my Linux system .
I am not against closed source ( I use Flash ) , but Microsoft has been " targeting " Linux for over 10 years , and even paid for a lawsuit-by-proxy through SCO.No .
I 'll have none of that .
Fuck you.--BMO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No amount of promises from Microsoft can get me to even think about Microsoft proprietary technology in my Linux system.
I am not against closed source (I use Flash), but Microsoft has been "targeting" Linux for over 10 years, and even paid for a lawsuit-by-proxy through SCO.No.
I'll have none of that.
Fuck you.--BMO</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30483948</id>
	<title>Re:Flash</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1261075440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And what do you think will happen if/when MS succeeds in pushing Flash out of the marketplace?</p></div><p>If that happens, MS will have to watch its step very, very closely, lest it gets another EUR 10^9 fine in EU.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And what do you think will happen if/when MS succeeds in pushing Flash out of the marketplace ? If that happens , MS will have to watch its step very , very closely , lest it gets another EUR 10 ^ 9 fine in EU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what do you think will happen if/when MS succeeds in pushing Flash out of the marketplace?If that happens, MS will have to watch its step very, very closely, lest it gets another EUR 10^9 fine in EU.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477286</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477146</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261080600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We won't sue you...</p><p>but we'll sue your WIFE, your KIDS, your GRAND-MOTHER and EVERY MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY!!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We wo n't sue you...but we 'll sue your WIFE , your KIDS , your GRAND-MOTHER and EVERY MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We won't sue you...but we'll sue your WIFE, your KIDS, your GRAND-MOTHER and EVERY MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY!!!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476868</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476868</id>
	<title>We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>CityZen</author>
	<datestamp>1261079580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>until we change our mind.</p><p>Really, what's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced, then changing the deal?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>until we change our mind.Really , what 's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced , then changing the deal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>until we change our mind.Really, what's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced, then changing the deal?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477108</id>
	<title>Weird world we live in</title>
	<author>pembo13</author>
	<datestamp>1261080480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That we have a (rather legitimate) concern of being sued for the arrangement of bits we have access to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That we have a ( rather legitimate ) concern of being sued for the arrangement of bits we have access to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That we have a (rather legitimate) concern of being sued for the arrangement of bits we have access to.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477920</id>
	<title>is this what it's come to?</title>
	<author>MadFarmAnimalz</author>
	<datestamp>1261083360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"You can use this software and not worry about us suing you."</p><p>You just can't look at that sentence and not think the whole industry needs to be torn down and rebuilt on new principles. Whether it's the fact that Microsoft and Novell are glad to make such a proclamation, or the fact that someone can be sued for using software to begin with, or the fact that I can get sued by company Y for using company X's product or even if that isn't possible the fact that anyone might think it might be possible.</p><p>What kind of industry is this? I think I just grew a gland that secretes RMS ideology in my brain just from digesting that headline.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You can use this software and not worry about us suing you .
" You just ca n't look at that sentence and not think the whole industry needs to be torn down and rebuilt on new principles .
Whether it 's the fact that Microsoft and Novell are glad to make such a proclamation , or the fact that someone can be sued for using software to begin with , or the fact that I can get sued by company Y for using company X 's product or even if that is n't possible the fact that anyone might think it might be possible.What kind of industry is this ?
I think I just grew a gland that secretes RMS ideology in my brain just from digesting that headline .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You can use this software and not worry about us suing you.
"You just can't look at that sentence and not think the whole industry needs to be torn down and rebuilt on new principles.
Whether it's the fact that Microsoft and Novell are glad to make such a proclamation, or the fact that someone can be sued for using software to begin with, or the fact that I can get sued by company Y for using company X's product or even if that isn't possible the fact that anyone might think it might be possible.What kind of industry is this?
I think I just grew a gland that secretes RMS ideology in my brain just from digesting that headline.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477080</id>
	<title>Re:Marketing Message?</title>
	<author>syphax</author>
	<datestamp>1261080300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're going to (somewhat cleverly) slip an ad for your stuff in here, you may want to make sure the URL doesn't 404.  <a href="http://www.incredicode.com/inPictures.html" title="incredicode.com">Here you go</a> [incredicode.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're going to ( somewhat cleverly ) slip an ad for your stuff in here , you may want to make sure the URL does n't 404 .
Here you go [ incredicode.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're going to (somewhat cleverly) slip an ad for your stuff in here, you may want to make sure the URL doesn't 404.
Here you go [incredicode.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476974</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476974</id>
	<title>Marketing Message?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261080000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just how effective is it to hear "use our stuff - we won't sue!" as the marketing message?
<br> <br>
Guess it's time to try a little test...
<br> <br>
I promise not to sue anyone who buys my <a href="http://www.incredicode.com/inPictures/" title="incredicode.com">iphone apps</a> [incredicode.com].
<br> <br>
There.  We'll see how that works out for me.
<br> <br>
*ducks under the desk for cover from the coming flames*</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just how effective is it to hear " use our stuff - we wo n't sue !
" as the marketing message ?
Guess it 's time to try a little test.. . I promise not to sue anyone who buys my iphone apps [ incredicode.com ] .
There. We 'll see how that works out for me .
* ducks under the desk for cover from the coming flames *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just how effective is it to hear "use our stuff - we won't sue!
" as the marketing message?
Guess it's time to try a little test...
 
I promise not to sue anyone who buys my iphone apps [incredicode.com].
There.  We'll see how that works out for me.
*ducks under the desk for cover from the coming flames*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30480980</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261052460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does estoppel preclude the patent trolls which MS might sell the patents to from suing?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does estoppel preclude the patent trolls which MS might sell the patents to from suing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does estoppel preclude the patent trolls which MS might sell the patents to from suing?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477070</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477694</id>
	<title>Tremendous!</title>
	<author>xoundmind</author>
	<datestamp>1261082520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hereby promise to you Moonlight on any my Linux machines. So we're cool, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hereby promise to you Moonlight on any my Linux machines .
So we 're cool , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hereby promise to you Moonlight on any my Linux machines.
So we're cool, right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30488924</id>
	<title>Re:IT'S A TRAP!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261158780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>IT'S A TRAP!</p></div><p>Indeed it is.</p><p>I don't care, though, since I don't use it, and I wouldn't use it even if I got paid to do it.</p><p>Silverlight/Moonlight/Whateverlight is irrelevant.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>IT 'S A TRAP ! Indeed it is.I do n't care , though , since I do n't use it , and I would n't use it even if I got paid to do it.Silverlight/Moonlight/Whateverlight is irrelevant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IT'S A TRAP!Indeed it is.I don't care, though, since I don't use it, and I wouldn't use it even if I got paid to do it.Silverlight/Moonlight/Whateverlight is irrelevant.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477000</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30479786</id>
	<title>Re:Not a prob</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1261046820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The problem is that we don't necessarily want this MS-driven environment to become popular among devs.</i></p><p>Then build something better. If the developers only choice is this MS-driven environment, or nothing, they're going to choose the MS-driven environment. And let me tell you: Flash? Ain't something better.</p><p>This is where all the talk about open source innovation needs to turn into actual projects-- where are they at?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that we do n't necessarily want this MS-driven environment to become popular among devs.Then build something better .
If the developers only choice is this MS-driven environment , or nothing , they 're going to choose the MS-driven environment .
And let me tell you : Flash ?
Ai n't something better.This is where all the talk about open source innovation needs to turn into actual projects-- where are they at ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that we don't necessarily want this MS-driven environment to become popular among devs.Then build something better.
If the developers only choice is this MS-driven environment, or nothing, they're going to choose the MS-driven environment.
And let me tell you: Flash?
Ain't something better.This is where all the talk about open source innovation needs to turn into actual projects-- where are they at?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477138</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30480724</id>
	<title>Re:Marketing Message?</title>
	<author>Cyberax</author>
	<datestamp>1261050840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK. I'm buying this app and then I'm going to rob your house. You did promise not to sue anyone who buys your app, right?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK. I 'm buying this app and then I 'm going to rob your house .
You did promise not to sue anyone who buys your app , right ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK. I'm buying this app and then I'm going to rob your house.
You did promise not to sue anyone who buys your app, right?
:)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476974</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30481044</id>
	<title>Re:Marketing Message?</title>
	<author>RandomUsr</author>
	<datestamp>1261052820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Just how effective is it to hear "use our stuff - we won't sue!" as the marketing message?</p></div><p>Isn't it more like:

"Use their stuff - We wont sue you for using their stuff! Promise!" Despite they want to stop everyone else from "using their stuff"?

You're Welcome!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just how effective is it to hear " use our stuff - we wo n't sue !
" as the marketing message ? Is n't it more like : " Use their stuff - We wont sue you for using their stuff !
Promise ! " Despite they want to stop everyone else from " using their stuff " ?
You 're Welcome !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just how effective is it to hear "use our stuff - we won't sue!
" as the marketing message?Isn't it more like:

"Use their stuff - We wont sue you for using their stuff!
Promise!" Despite they want to stop everyone else from "using their stuff"?
You're Welcome!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476974</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30479062</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1261044300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>until we change our mind. Really, what's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced, then changing the deal?</i>
<p>
Well that hasn't happened yet and I doubt it ever will be. But you're right, they could sue Mono into oblivion or emasculate it some way. Mono / Moonlight is allowed to live on simply because Microsoft can pretend<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET is cross platform without it ever being so. Mono has as much chance of catching up with<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET as someone being dragged behind a car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>until we change our mind .
Really , what 's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced , then changing the deal ?
Well that has n't happened yet and I doubt it ever will be .
But you 're right , they could sue Mono into oblivion or emasculate it some way .
Mono / Moonlight is allowed to live on simply because Microsoft can pretend .NET is cross platform without it ever being so .
Mono has as much chance of catching up with .NET as someone being dragged behind a car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>until we change our mind.
Really, what's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced, then changing the deal?
Well that hasn't happened yet and I doubt it ever will be.
But you're right, they could sue Mono into oblivion or emasculate it some way.
Mono / Moonlight is allowed to live on simply because Microsoft can pretend .NET is cross platform without it ever being so.
Mono has as much chance of catching up with .NET as someone being dragged behind a car.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476868</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30481998</id>
	<title>"and is not commercially distributed"</title>
	<author>dhammabum</author>
	<datestamp>1261058220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the pledge:</p><blockquote><div><p>If You engage in the commercial distribution or importation of software derived from an open source project or if You make or use such software outside the scope of creating such software code, You do not benefit from this promise for such distribution or for these other activities.</p></div></blockquote><p>So this basically rules out the GPL. What a wank. This also only applies only to "Covered Implementations" which at the moment are undefined. So they "cover" moonlight 2.0 and then neglect to cover 2.1.</p><p>They have given nothing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the pledge : If You engage in the commercial distribution or importation of software derived from an open source project or if You make or use such software outside the scope of creating such software code , You do not benefit from this promise for such distribution or for these other activities.So this basically rules out the GPL .
What a wank .
This also only applies only to " Covered Implementations " which at the moment are undefined .
So they " cover " moonlight 2.0 and then neglect to cover 2.1.They have given nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the pledge:If You engage in the commercial distribution or importation of software derived from an open source project or if You make or use such software outside the scope of creating such software code, You do not benefit from this promise for such distribution or for these other activities.So this basically rules out the GPL.
What a wank.
This also only applies only to "Covered Implementations" which at the moment are undefined.
So they "cover" moonlight 2.0 and then neglect to cover 2.1.They have given nothing.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478534</id>
	<title>stop the cross-platform in-browser crap already</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1261042380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sun tried this with Java.  Then it was Flash and Adobe's latest RIA junk.  Now it's Silverlight.  All this cross platform crap is ever used for is mindless little games and controls on movie players, and a few applications by developers who don't know any better and who end up producing horrid interfaces.</p><p>Give it up, guys.  AJAX is as cross-platform as it's gonna get, and AJAX works because the browser isn't trying to be a desktop UI and because people invest a lot of time in making HTML work right across platform.  Nothing that Java, Flash, or Moonlight are going to do are even going to come remotely close in terms of usability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sun tried this with Java .
Then it was Flash and Adobe 's latest RIA junk .
Now it 's Silverlight .
All this cross platform crap is ever used for is mindless little games and controls on movie players , and a few applications by developers who do n't know any better and who end up producing horrid interfaces.Give it up , guys .
AJAX is as cross-platform as it 's gon na get , and AJAX works because the browser is n't trying to be a desktop UI and because people invest a lot of time in making HTML work right across platform .
Nothing that Java , Flash , or Moonlight are going to do are even going to come remotely close in terms of usability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sun tried this with Java.
Then it was Flash and Adobe's latest RIA junk.
Now it's Silverlight.
All this cross platform crap is ever used for is mindless little games and controls on movie players, and a few applications by developers who don't know any better and who end up producing horrid interfaces.Give it up, guys.
AJAX is as cross-platform as it's gonna get, and AJAX works because the browser isn't trying to be a desktop UI and because people invest a lot of time in making HTML work right across platform.
Nothing that Java, Flash, or Moonlight are going to do are even going to come remotely close in terms of usability.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477256</id>
	<title>Lies, damn lies, statistics, &amp; Microsoft promi</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1261080960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll start believing Microsoft when they change the slogan for their new operating system to: <b>Windows 7 -- At least it doesn't suck as much as Vista!</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll start believing Microsoft when they change the slogan for their new operating system to : Windows 7 -- At least it does n't suck as much as Vista !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll start believing Microsoft when they change the slogan for their new operating system to: Windows 7 -- At least it doesn't suck as much as Vista!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30480018</id>
	<title>So they were wrong after all.</title>
	<author>Requiem18th</author>
	<datestamp>1261047840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MS apologists have constantly insisted that the promise was perfectly safe then and that there was nothing left for MS to do, now MS has indirectly admitted they had to extend the terms of the promise because of lack of adoption,</p><p>But don't worry NOW you are safe, MS is sooooo cool and Silverlight is so awesome! We all should move all of our development to Silverlight because now we won't get sued, and if MS extends its promise we are going to get sued even less!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MS apologists have constantly insisted that the promise was perfectly safe then and that there was nothing left for MS to do , now MS has indirectly admitted they had to extend the terms of the promise because of lack of adoption,But do n't worry NOW you are safe , MS is sooooo cool and Silverlight is so awesome !
We all should move all of our development to Silverlight because now we wo n't get sued , and if MS extends its promise we are going to get sued even less !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS apologists have constantly insisted that the promise was perfectly safe then and that there was nothing left for MS to do, now MS has indirectly admitted they had to extend the terms of the promise because of lack of adoption,But don't worry NOW you are safe, MS is sooooo cool and Silverlight is so awesome!
We all should move all of our development to Silverlight because now we won't get sued, and if MS extends its promise we are going to get sued even less!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478600</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1261042680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want to see Microsoft demand <a href="http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/this-deals-getting-worse-all-the-time.html" title="adultswim.com" rel="nofollow">things like this</a> [adultswim.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want to see Microsoft demand things like this [ adultswim.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want to see Microsoft demand things like this [adultswim.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477246</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30480240</id>
	<title>Re:Sod Off Microsoft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261048860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm certainly not interested in using it on non-Windows platforms because said media stuff doesn't work regardless.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Yep. I was mildly interested in trying moonlight, because MS has put the famous <a href="http://research.microsoft.com/apps/tools/tuva/" title="microsoft.com">Feynman lectures on physics</a> [microsoft.com] online for free, in silverlight format. So when I saw the slashdot article today, I thought, OK, I'll try installing moonlight on my ubuntu box and see if it lets me watch the lectures. First off, I do an apt-get install moonlight-plugin-mozilla. Go to the MS web site. "Sorry, Silverlight for your browser is not officially supported. The full list of compatible browsers you [sic] can be found at <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/get-started/install/default.aspx" title="microsoft.com">http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/get-started/install/default.aspx</a> [microsoft.com]. Click on the link. "If you are using a Linux, FreeBSD or SolarisOS operating system, please press the Click to Install button to get the appropriate installation package for Silverlight." Okay, I click on the button and it sends me to <a href="http://go-mono.com/moonlight/download.aspx" title="go-mono.com">go-mono.com</a> [go-mono.com]. Download and install it. Restart my browser. Go back to the site for the Feynman lectures. "Sorry, Silverlight for your browser is not officially supported."
</p><p>
So here's this thing that almost no web site actually uses, and it doesn't actually work. And it's proprietary. And they promise not to sue me for using it. Woo hoo.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm certainly not interested in using it on non-Windows platforms because said media stuff does n't work regardless .
Yep. I was mildly interested in trying moonlight , because MS has put the famous Feynman lectures on physics [ microsoft.com ] online for free , in silverlight format .
So when I saw the slashdot article today , I thought , OK , I 'll try installing moonlight on my ubuntu box and see if it lets me watch the lectures .
First off , I do an apt-get install moonlight-plugin-mozilla .
Go to the MS web site .
" Sorry , Silverlight for your browser is not officially supported .
The full list of compatible browsers you [ sic ] can be found at http : //www.microsoft.com/silverlight/get-started/install/default.aspx [ microsoft.com ] .
Click on the link .
" If you are using a Linux , FreeBSD or SolarisOS operating system , please press the Click to Install button to get the appropriate installation package for Silverlight .
" Okay , I click on the button and it sends me to go-mono.com [ go-mono.com ] .
Download and install it .
Restart my browser .
Go back to the site for the Feynman lectures .
" Sorry , Silverlight for your browser is not officially supported .
" So here 's this thing that almost no web site actually uses , and it does n't actually work .
And it 's proprietary .
And they promise not to sue me for using it .
Woo hoo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm certainly not interested in using it on non-Windows platforms because said media stuff doesn't work regardless.
Yep. I was mildly interested in trying moonlight, because MS has put the famous Feynman lectures on physics [microsoft.com] online for free, in silverlight format.
So when I saw the slashdot article today, I thought, OK, I'll try installing moonlight on my ubuntu box and see if it lets me watch the lectures.
First off, I do an apt-get install moonlight-plugin-mozilla.
Go to the MS web site.
"Sorry, Silverlight for your browser is not officially supported.
The full list of compatible browsers you [sic] can be found at http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/get-started/install/default.aspx [microsoft.com].
Click on the link.
"If you are using a Linux, FreeBSD or SolarisOS operating system, please press the Click to Install button to get the appropriate installation package for Silverlight.
" Okay, I click on the button and it sends me to go-mono.com [go-mono.com].
Download and install it.
Restart my browser.
Go back to the site for the Feynman lectures.
"Sorry, Silverlight for your browser is not officially supported.
"

So here's this thing that almost no web site actually uses, and it doesn't actually work.
And it's proprietary.
And they promise not to sue me for using it.
Woo hoo.

	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477022</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478524</id>
	<title>I'm sure there's nothing to worry about</title>
	<author>NotPeteMcCabe</author>
	<datestamp>1261042380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's nothing to worry about; the program is named wontsueforsure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's nothing to worry about ; the program is named wontsueforsure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's nothing to worry about; the program is named wontsueforsure.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30484982</id>
	<title>*ASH*</title>
	<author>isecore</author>
	<datestamp>1261133280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It's a trick. Get an axe."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It 's a trick .
Get an axe .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It's a trick.
Get an axe.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478500</id>
	<title>A good reason not to use</title>
	<author>FunkyELF</author>
	<datestamp>1261042260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the main reasons I got into open source software is because I didn't like the idea that newer versions of software could cost anything.<br>Why invest time in learning Photoshop when this version costs $600 but the next version may cost $3,000.<br>Some might say, just keep using the version you already bought.  What happens when you can't buy a computer that comes with an OS that your version is compatible with?</p><p>Microsoft saying, "We won't sue users of Moonlight 2.0", is saying what about 2.0.1, or 2.5, or 4.0.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the main reasons I got into open source software is because I did n't like the idea that newer versions of software could cost anything.Why invest time in learning Photoshop when this version costs $ 600 but the next version may cost $ 3,000.Some might say , just keep using the version you already bought .
What happens when you ca n't buy a computer that comes with an OS that your version is compatible with ? Microsoft saying , " We wo n't sue users of Moonlight 2.0 " , is saying what about 2.0.1 , or 2.5 , or 4.0 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the main reasons I got into open source software is because I didn't like the idea that newer versions of software could cost anything.Why invest time in learning Photoshop when this version costs $600 but the next version may cost $3,000.Some might say, just keep using the version you already bought.
What happens when you can't buy a computer that comes with an OS that your version is compatible with?Microsoft saying, "We won't sue users of Moonlight 2.0", is saying what about 2.0.1, or 2.5, or 4.0.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478478</id>
	<title>Re:IT'S A TRAP!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261042140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some website wanted Silverlight, so I downloaded Moonlight instead. It still didn't work.</p><p>Contrast to Adobe Flash for 64-bit Linux; it's not free (as in speech) but it is free (as in beer) and it actually works.</p><p>So, at least with Adobe, I can watch a cat flushing a toilet on YouTube while wearing my proprietary shackles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some website wanted Silverlight , so I downloaded Moonlight instead .
It still did n't work.Contrast to Adobe Flash for 64-bit Linux ; it 's not free ( as in speech ) but it is free ( as in beer ) and it actually works.So , at least with Adobe , I can watch a cat flushing a toilet on YouTube while wearing my proprietary shackles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some website wanted Silverlight, so I downloaded Moonlight instead.
It still didn't work.Contrast to Adobe Flash for 64-bit Linux; it's not free (as in speech) but it is free (as in beer) and it actually works.So, at least with Adobe, I can watch a cat flushing a toilet on YouTube while wearing my proprietary shackles.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477246</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261080960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Really, what's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced, then changing the deal?</i></p><p>Lando Calrissian?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , what 's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced , then changing the deal ? Lando Calrissian ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, what's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced, then changing the deal?Lando Calrissian?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476868</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30485244</id>
	<title>Re:What if...</title>
	<author>daem0n1x</author>
	<datestamp>1261137240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They can't sue me because I won't use it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They ca n't sue me because I wo n't use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can't sue me because I won't use it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476824</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477022</id>
	<title>Sod Off Microsoft</title>
	<author>segedunum</author>
	<datestamp>1261080060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not the slightest bit interested. The only time I've ever used Silverlight is when I've watched SkyTV online in the UK as a media thingy for your browser. It doesn't interest me elsewhere (and I doubt whether that alone will sustain it long-term), as any kind of 'new' development platform (ActiveX 2.0?) and I'm certainly not interested in using it on non-Windows platforms because said media stuff doesn't work regardless. Just stop trying to legitimise Silverlight on other platforms because you aren't gaining any traction and stop using it to legitimise all of your patent bullshit. Anyone who works under that kind if duress, from a competitor no less, is stir-fry crazy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not the slightest bit interested .
The only time I 've ever used Silverlight is when I 've watched SkyTV online in the UK as a media thingy for your browser .
It does n't interest me elsewhere ( and I doubt whether that alone will sustain it long-term ) , as any kind of 'new ' development platform ( ActiveX 2.0 ?
) and I 'm certainly not interested in using it on non-Windows platforms because said media stuff does n't work regardless .
Just stop trying to legitimise Silverlight on other platforms because you are n't gaining any traction and stop using it to legitimise all of your patent bullshit .
Anyone who works under that kind if duress , from a competitor no less , is stir-fry crazy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not the slightest bit interested.
The only time I've ever used Silverlight is when I've watched SkyTV online in the UK as a media thingy for your browser.
It doesn't interest me elsewhere (and I doubt whether that alone will sustain it long-term), as any kind of 'new' development platform (ActiveX 2.0?
) and I'm certainly not interested in using it on non-Windows platforms because said media stuff doesn't work regardless.
Just stop trying to legitimise Silverlight on other platforms because you aren't gaining any traction and stop using it to legitimise all of your patent bullshit.
Anyone who works under that kind if duress, from a competitor no less, is stir-fry crazy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476972</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261080000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Really, what's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced, then changing the deal?</p></div></blockquote><p>Nothing</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , what 's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced , then changing the deal ? Nothing</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, what's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced, then changing the deal?Nothing
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476868</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478480</id>
	<title>Re:Marketing Message?</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1261042140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Just how effective is it to hear "use our stuff - we won't sue!" as the marketing message? </i></p><p>They're saying "we won't sue if you use someone else's implementation of our stuff".  And that's legally quite effective: they are bound by it.</p><p><i>I promise not to sue anyone who buys my iphone apps [incredicode.com]. </i></p><p>Why don't you promise not to sue anyone who makes an exact clone of your app?  That would be the rough legal equivalent of what Microsoft has done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just how effective is it to hear " use our stuff - we wo n't sue !
" as the marketing message ?
They 're saying " we wo n't sue if you use someone else 's implementation of our stuff " .
And that 's legally quite effective : they are bound by it.I promise not to sue anyone who buys my iphone apps [ incredicode.com ] .
Why do n't you promise not to sue anyone who makes an exact clone of your app ?
That would be the rough legal equivalent of what Microsoft has done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just how effective is it to hear "use our stuff - we won't sue!
" as the marketing message?
They're saying "we won't sue if you use someone else's implementation of our stuff".
And that's legally quite effective: they are bound by it.I promise not to sue anyone who buys my iphone apps [incredicode.com].
Why don't you promise not to sue anyone who makes an exact clone of your app?
That would be the rough legal equivalent of what Microsoft has done.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476974</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477348</id>
	<title>Re:Marketing Message?</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1261081380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see you've fixed the 404 error.<br>After bringing my Firefox process to its knees, (I can either blame you, quicktime, or Firefox - I choose all three), your site states:</p><p>"Have you ever stared up at the clouds and been transfixed by the shapes you saw? Faces, cars, furniture - a seemingly endless parade of wispy representations of everyday objects. inPictures captures this same spirit of visual perception, shape recognition, and imagination."</p><p>Yet your application is the reverse of that.<br>You're showing people a known object (up close) and then asking them to find out what it is.</p><p>I'm not shitting on your application, mind you.<br>In fact, I like the concept.  I've liked it ever since I was a wee tot and saw a better version of it on Mr. Wizard.</p><p>Now if your application included scoring, support for multiple players (pass the iPhone, or a web-based lobby system), and a zoom out feature, it would be awesome.</p><p>What would make me PAY money for the thing (if I had an iPhone) would be the ability to submit my own images.  Of course, you'd only ever get images of genitalia and poop, and you'd never get the damn thing approved for the app store.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see you 've fixed the 404 error.After bringing my Firefox process to its knees , ( I can either blame you , quicktime , or Firefox - I choose all three ) , your site states : " Have you ever stared up at the clouds and been transfixed by the shapes you saw ?
Faces , cars , furniture - a seemingly endless parade of wispy representations of everyday objects .
inPictures captures this same spirit of visual perception , shape recognition , and imagination .
" Yet your application is the reverse of that.You 're showing people a known object ( up close ) and then asking them to find out what it is.I 'm not shitting on your application , mind you.In fact , I like the concept .
I 've liked it ever since I was a wee tot and saw a better version of it on Mr. Wizard.Now if your application included scoring , support for multiple players ( pass the iPhone , or a web-based lobby system ) , and a zoom out feature , it would be awesome.What would make me PAY money for the thing ( if I had an iPhone ) would be the ability to submit my own images .
Of course , you 'd only ever get images of genitalia and poop , and you 'd never get the damn thing approved for the app store .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see you've fixed the 404 error.After bringing my Firefox process to its knees, (I can either blame you, quicktime, or Firefox - I choose all three), your site states:"Have you ever stared up at the clouds and been transfixed by the shapes you saw?
Faces, cars, furniture - a seemingly endless parade of wispy representations of everyday objects.
inPictures captures this same spirit of visual perception, shape recognition, and imagination.
"Yet your application is the reverse of that.You're showing people a known object (up close) and then asking them to find out what it is.I'm not shitting on your application, mind you.In fact, I like the concept.
I've liked it ever since I was a wee tot and saw a better version of it on Mr. Wizard.Now if your application included scoring, support for multiple players (pass the iPhone, or a web-based lobby system), and a zoom out feature, it would be awesome.What would make me PAY money for the thing (if I had an iPhone) would be the ability to submit my own images.
Of course, you'd only ever get images of genitalia and poop, and you'd never get the damn thing approved for the app store.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477162</id>
	<title>Wont end up on any system i use or support.</title>
	<author>miffo.swe</author>
	<datestamp>1261080660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mono still wont end up on any system i support or manage. If Microsoft wants Silverlight on Linux they have to release their own official client. Moonlight is still crap, buggy and hopelessly behind Silverlight.</p><p>The funny thing is that Microsoft already have promised a Silverlight port to Linux through maemo but with de Iqaza helping them implementing the mono trap in Linux they wouldnt dream of stopping that stupid implementation.</p><p>The worst thing you can do in the computing world is play nice with Microsoft. Countless of companies along the roadside is proof of that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mono still wont end up on any system i support or manage .
If Microsoft wants Silverlight on Linux they have to release their own official client .
Moonlight is still crap , buggy and hopelessly behind Silverlight.The funny thing is that Microsoft already have promised a Silverlight port to Linux through maemo but with de Iqaza helping them implementing the mono trap in Linux they wouldnt dream of stopping that stupid implementation.The worst thing you can do in the computing world is play nice with Microsoft .
Countless of companies along the roadside is proof of that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mono still wont end up on any system i support or manage.
If Microsoft wants Silverlight on Linux they have to release their own official client.
Moonlight is still crap, buggy and hopelessly behind Silverlight.The funny thing is that Microsoft already have promised a Silverlight port to Linux through maemo but with de Iqaza helping them implementing the mono trap in Linux they wouldnt dream of stopping that stupid implementation.The worst thing you can do in the computing world is play nice with Microsoft.
Countless of companies along the roadside is proof of that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477834</id>
	<title>Because no one else would sign...</title>
	<author>TemporalBeing</author>
	<datestamp>1261083000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...so Microsoft amends Novell's agreement to include most other distributions....<p><div class="quote"><p>Microsoft's commitment not to sue Novell or Novell customers now extends to redistributors.</p></div><p>Hmm...may be its the technology? Perhaps no in else is interested in it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...so Microsoft amends Novell 's agreement to include most other distributions....Microsoft 's commitment not to sue Novell or Novell customers now extends to redistributors.Hmm...may be its the technology ?
Perhaps no in else is interested in it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...so Microsoft amends Novell's agreement to include most other distributions....Microsoft's commitment not to sue Novell or Novell customers now extends to redistributors.Hmm...may be its the technology?
Perhaps no in else is interested in it?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476908</id>
	<title>Doesn't anybody proof read?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261079760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Moonlight 2.0, that's Novell's open source implementation of the Microsoft media framework in now available and with comes a new patent promise from Microsoft."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Moonlight 2.0 , that 's Novell 's open source implementation of the Microsoft media framework in now available and with comes a new patent promise from Microsoft .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Moonlight 2.0, that's Novell's open source implementation of the Microsoft media framework in now available and with comes a new patent promise from Microsoft.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30482250</id>
	<title>Promises, promises</title>
	<author>Vexorian</author>
	<datestamp>1261059840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is strange that while MS keeps making promises, Novell - which includes Icaza who is always eager to promote the idea of making moonlight gnome's plasma - does not seem willing at all to drop their exclusive shield that is the now infamous patent deal. For some reason, we second class users and also the "second class" distributors have to rely on all these promises and legalese which apparently are not enough for Novell which depends not on these 'promises' but on such deal...</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is strange that while MS keeps making promises , Novell - which includes Icaza who is always eager to promote the idea of making moonlight gnome 's plasma - does not seem willing at all to drop their exclusive shield that is the now infamous patent deal .
For some reason , we second class users and also the " second class " distributors have to rely on all these promises and legalese which apparently are not enough for Novell which depends not on these 'promises ' but on such deal.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is strange that while MS keeps making promises, Novell - which includes Icaza who is always eager to promote the idea of making moonlight gnome's plasma - does not seem willing at all to drop their exclusive shield that is the now infamous patent deal.
For some reason, we second class users and also the "second class" distributors have to rely on all these promises and legalese which apparently are not enough for Novell which depends not on these 'promises' but on such deal...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477274</id>
	<title>im gonna seu M$</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261081080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My son seen a naked pic of bill gates on bing, he wont even talk no more. Im scared shitless</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My son seen a naked pic of bill gates on bing , he wont even talk no more .
Im scared shitless</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My son seen a naked pic of bill gates on bing, he wont even talk no more.
Im scared shitless</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30483930</id>
	<title>Re:Wonderful Marketing</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1261075200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft have a vested interest in making Silverlight and C# succeed, even if it means opening up to other platforms.  At the very least, it means there will be more C# developers in the world.  If anything, I'd say that this development was <i>necessary</i> for C# to be taken seriously as a language, and is a pretty good thing, because C# is pretty nice for developing applications.</p><p>Why is it that nobody makes this argument about Sun with relation to Java?  IMHO, C# and Silverlight actually might achieve Java's original design goals, which would be a great thing for computing in general.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft have a vested interest in making Silverlight and C # succeed , even if it means opening up to other platforms .
At the very least , it means there will be more C # developers in the world .
If anything , I 'd say that this development was necessary for C # to be taken seriously as a language , and is a pretty good thing , because C # is pretty nice for developing applications.Why is it that nobody makes this argument about Sun with relation to Java ?
IMHO , C # and Silverlight actually might achieve Java 's original design goals , which would be a great thing for computing in general .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft have a vested interest in making Silverlight and C# succeed, even if it means opening up to other platforms.
At the very least, it means there will be more C# developers in the world.
If anything, I'd say that this development was necessary for C# to be taken seriously as a language, and is a pretty good thing, because C# is pretty nice for developing applications.Why is it that nobody makes this argument about Sun with relation to Java?
IMHO, C# and Silverlight actually might achieve Java's original design goals, which would be a great thing for computing in general.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30479672</id>
	<title>Hmmm... I read this in a different fashion...</title>
	<author>RobertM1968</author>
	<datestamp>1261046400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What I read is this:

</p><p> <em>Microsoft promises that in an effort to do anything to increase the adoption of Silverlight and applications/plug-ins compatible with it, they will not sue Moonlight 2.0 users; but instead intend on waiting for mass adoption of Silverlight, the extinguishing of Flash and such as is normal for their "embrace" stage of their plan and the final "extend" and "extinguish" stages.</em></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I read is this : Microsoft promises that in an effort to do anything to increase the adoption of Silverlight and applications/plug-ins compatible with it , they will not sue Moonlight 2.0 users ; but instead intend on waiting for mass adoption of Silverlight , the extinguishing of Flash and such as is normal for their " embrace " stage of their plan and the final " extend " and " extinguish " stages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I read is this:

 Microsoft promises that in an effort to do anything to increase the adoption of Silverlight and applications/plug-ins compatible with it, they will not sue Moonlight 2.0 users; but instead intend on waiting for mass adoption of Silverlight, the extinguishing of Flash and such as is normal for their "embrace" stage of their plan and the final "extend" and "extinguish" stages.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477152</id>
	<title>Does it cover users of other FOSS OSes?</title>
	<author>joelsherrill</author>
	<datestamp>1261080600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The summary specifically says Linux and the article linked to doesn't expand that statement.  What about running it on *BSD, Haiku, Minix, RTEMS, etc.?  Reading a quote in the article carefully says "redistributors".  What is a redistributor?  A Novell reseller?

<br>

<i>As a result of today's expansion of that deal, Moonlight users will enjoy protection under the patent covenant regardless of whether they're using Novell's (NASDAQ: NOVL) Linux distro or another distributor's.
<br>
"A really important change in how the community and individuals will see and use Moonlight is a change and extension to the patent covenant that Microsoft provides to Novell and its end users," Brian Goldfarb, director of Web and user experience platforms at Microsoft, told InternetNews.com. "We're now increasing the reach of the agreement -- Microsoft's commitment not to sue Novell or Novell customers now extends to redistributors." </i>

<br>
The first sentence is the author's so reflects their interpretation.  The second is a Microsoft person who uses the phrase "not to sue Novell or Novell customers now extends to redistributors".  So who does that actually cover?</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary specifically says Linux and the article linked to does n't expand that statement .
What about running it on * BSD , Haiku , Minix , RTEMS , etc. ?
Reading a quote in the article carefully says " redistributors " .
What is a redistributor ?
A Novell reseller ?
As a result of today 's expansion of that deal , Moonlight users will enjoy protection under the patent covenant regardless of whether they 're using Novell 's ( NASDAQ : NOVL ) Linux distro or another distributor 's .
" A really important change in how the community and individuals will see and use Moonlight is a change and extension to the patent covenant that Microsoft provides to Novell and its end users , " Brian Goldfarb , director of Web and user experience platforms at Microsoft , told InternetNews.com .
" We 're now increasing the reach of the agreement -- Microsoft 's commitment not to sue Novell or Novell customers now extends to redistributors .
" The first sentence is the author 's so reflects their interpretation .
The second is a Microsoft person who uses the phrase " not to sue Novell or Novell customers now extends to redistributors " .
So who does that actually cover ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary specifically says Linux and the article linked to doesn't expand that statement.
What about running it on *BSD, Haiku, Minix, RTEMS, etc.?
Reading a quote in the article carefully says "redistributors".
What is a redistributor?
A Novell reseller?
As a result of today's expansion of that deal, Moonlight users will enjoy protection under the patent covenant regardless of whether they're using Novell's (NASDAQ: NOVL) Linux distro or another distributor's.
"A really important change in how the community and individuals will see and use Moonlight is a change and extension to the patent covenant that Microsoft provides to Novell and its end users," Brian Goldfarb, director of Web and user experience platforms at Microsoft, told InternetNews.com.
"We're now increasing the reach of the agreement -- Microsoft's commitment not to sue Novell or Novell customers now extends to redistributors.
" 


The first sentence is the author's so reflects their interpretation.
The second is a Microsoft person who uses the phrase "not to sue Novell or Novell customers now extends to redistributors".
So who does that actually cover?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30479550</id>
	<title>Re:We won't sue you...</title>
	<author>V!NCENT</author>
	<datestamp>1261045920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The excuse for not supporting a monopoly. As soon as they withdraw their promise, which is not possible BTW, they'll no longer have a monopoly and then it wouldn't matter anyway...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The excuse for not supporting a monopoly .
As soon as they withdraw their promise , which is not possible BTW , they 'll no longer have a monopoly and then it would n't matter anyway.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The excuse for not supporting a monopoly.
As soon as they withdraw their promise, which is not possible BTW, they'll no longer have a monopoly and then it wouldn't matter anyway...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478314</id>
	<title>Sounds real friendly.</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1261041480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Hey, here's this technology... we won't try and ruin your life if you use it."</p><p>So, uh, what's the good part?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Hey , here 's this technology... we wo n't try and ruin your life if you use it .
" So , uh , what 's the good part ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Hey, here's this technology... we won't try and ruin your life if you use it.
"So, uh, what's the good part?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478272</id>
	<title>mangled first sentence. Copy editors needed?</title>
	<author>Quirkz</author>
	<datestamp>1261041300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What the hell kind of first sentence is that?<p><div class="quote"><p>Moonlight 2.0, that's Novell's open source implementation of the Microsoft media framework in now available and with comes a  new patent promise from Microsoft.</p></div><p>It reads like it's three sentences jammed together, it's missing a comma, and I assume "in" is supposed to be "is" and it's still an awkward sentence.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell kind of first sentence is that ? Moonlight 2.0 , that 's Novell 's open source implementation of the Microsoft media framework in now available and with comes a new patent promise from Microsoft.It reads like it 's three sentences jammed together , it 's missing a comma , and I assume " in " is supposed to be " is " and it 's still an awkward sentence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell kind of first sentence is that?Moonlight 2.0, that's Novell's open source implementation of the Microsoft media framework in now available and with comes a  new patent promise from Microsoft.It reads like it's three sentences jammed together, it's missing a comma, and I assume "in" is supposed to be "is" and it's still an awkward sentence.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477964</id>
	<title>Where is the catch?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261083420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article does not contain an actual link to an actual Microsoft statement.</p><p>Before I buy this I want to see the actual statement and see legal analysis of iot to see what catches there are.</p><p>Examples:<br>If this is based on the Novell agreement then it only extends to Novell customers, not to all of linux.</p><p>If this is like the the Community Promise for Mono, then what prevents them from selling the patents to patent trolls to sue Moonlight users?</p><p>They already tried this once: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/171589/open\_source\_group\_buys\_microsoft\_patents\_to\_ward\_off\_patent\_trolls.html<br>fortunately they sold to the wrong patent trolls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article does not contain an actual link to an actual Microsoft statement.Before I buy this I want to see the actual statement and see legal analysis of iot to see what catches there are.Examples : If this is based on the Novell agreement then it only extends to Novell customers , not to all of linux.If this is like the the Community Promise for Mono , then what prevents them from selling the patents to patent trolls to sue Moonlight users ? They already tried this once : http : //www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/171589/open \ _source \ _group \ _buys \ _microsoft \ _patents \ _to \ _ward \ _off \ _patent \ _trolls.htmlfortunately they sold to the wrong patent trolls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article does not contain an actual link to an actual Microsoft statement.Before I buy this I want to see the actual statement and see legal analysis of iot to see what catches there are.Examples:If this is based on the Novell agreement then it only extends to Novell customers, not to all of linux.If this is like the the Community Promise for Mono, then what prevents them from selling the patents to patent trolls to sue Moonlight users?They already tried this once: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/171589/open\_source\_group\_buys\_microsoft\_patents\_to\_ward\_off\_patent\_trolls.htmlfortunately they sold to the wrong patent trolls.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477254</id>
	<title>perhaps...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261080960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps Linux users would feel better if Microsoft was actually hosting the downloads, etc?  Maybe pay for a token part time developer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps Linux users would feel better if Microsoft was actually hosting the downloads , etc ?
Maybe pay for a token part time developer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps Linux users would feel better if Microsoft was actually hosting the downloads, etc?
Maybe pay for a token part time developer?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478108</id>
	<title>Includes Microsoft codec license</title>
	<author>kriston</author>
	<datestamp>1261040700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This element stood out for me:<br>"Moonlight includes the Microsoft Media Pack, which is a set of proprietary codecs that Microsoft has licensed from their own patent holders and makes available to Moonlight users, free of charge."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This element stood out for me : " Moonlight includes the Microsoft Media Pack , which is a set of proprietary codecs that Microsoft has licensed from their own patent holders and makes available to Moonlight users , free of charge .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This element stood out for me:"Moonlight includes the Microsoft Media Pack, which is a set of proprietary codecs that Microsoft has licensed from their own patent holders and makes available to Moonlight users, free of charge.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478298</id>
	<title>eww a peice of candy..</title>
	<author>kutulu13</author>
	<datestamp>1261041420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All I can think of is the Fam Guy episode with James Woods: eww a peice of candy... eww a peice of candy...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All I can think of is the Fam Guy episode with James Woods : eww a peice of candy... eww a peice of candy.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All I can think of is the Fam Guy episode with James Woods: eww a peice of candy... eww a peice of candy...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30477076</id>
	<title>Silverlight... Like Flash, but shittier.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261080300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought we had hit rock bottom with Flash. I mean, it's one of the shittiest plugins around. Half the time it crashes your browser, and the other half of the time it typically doesn't work. When it does, it's used more often than not for stupid and annoying ads.</p><p>Then Microsoft, not to be outdone, unleashes the shit that is known as Silverlight. Not only is it less portable than Flash, but it runs even slower, if you can imagine that! XAML is a fucking joke. It's SVG gone stupid, like only Microsoft can make something go stupid. And they throw in DRM, just to sour the deal even further.</p><p>We don't need this sort of pure feces included in any Linux distro. Keep that sort of shit away from my computer, thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought we had hit rock bottom with Flash .
I mean , it 's one of the shittiest plugins around .
Half the time it crashes your browser , and the other half of the time it typically does n't work .
When it does , it 's used more often than not for stupid and annoying ads.Then Microsoft , not to be outdone , unleashes the shit that is known as Silverlight .
Not only is it less portable than Flash , but it runs even slower , if you can imagine that !
XAML is a fucking joke .
It 's SVG gone stupid , like only Microsoft can make something go stupid .
And they throw in DRM , just to sour the deal even further.We do n't need this sort of pure feces included in any Linux distro .
Keep that sort of shit away from my computer , thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought we had hit rock bottom with Flash.
I mean, it's one of the shittiest plugins around.
Half the time it crashes your browser, and the other half of the time it typically doesn't work.
When it does, it's used more often than not for stupid and annoying ads.Then Microsoft, not to be outdone, unleashes the shit that is known as Silverlight.
Not only is it less portable than Flash, but it runs even slower, if you can imagine that!
XAML is a fucking joke.
It's SVG gone stupid, like only Microsoft can make something go stupid.
And they throw in DRM, just to sour the deal even further.We don't need this sort of pure feces included in any Linux distro.
Keep that sort of shit away from my computer, thanks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30478476</id>
	<title>Re:What if...</title>
	<author>V!NCENT</author>
	<datestamp>1261042140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what if the Linux bazaar acts globally? Betcha didn't any further than the length of your own nose...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what if the Linux bazaar acts globally ?
Betcha did n't any further than the length of your own nose.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what if the Linux bazaar acts globally?
Betcha didn't any further than the length of your own nose...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_17_1840228.30476824</parent>
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