<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_12_1627205</id>
	<title>ARM-Powered Laptops To Increase Linux Market Share</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1260638340000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Charbax writes <i>"Last April, Microsoft argued that it <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=216402927">controlled the netbook OS market</a> for devices sold in certain Microsoft-friendly US retail stores, while ABI Research claims that Linux actually has <a href="http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/09/12/08/0028237/Linux-Reaches-32-Netbook-Market-Share">32\% of the worldwide netbook market</a>, and that <a href="http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4958089290.html">its market-share is growing</a>. At the recent Netbook World Summit in Paris France, Aaron J. Seigo, Community leader at the KDE Foundation, and Arnaud Lapr&#233;vote, CTO at Mandriva Linux, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnzvtfGnGtI">give us their estimation for next year's Linux market share</a> (video) in the consumer laptop market. Their estimation is that Linux will dominate in ARM-powered laptops and that those may take over a significant share of the overall laptop market by their significantly cheaper prices (<a href="http://armdevices.net/2009/11/12/80-android-laptop-menq-easypc-e790/">as low as $80</a>), longer battery life (as long as 20-40 hours on a small battery using the <a href="http://armdevices.net/2009/06/06/mary-lou-jepsens-home-lab/">Pixel Qi screens</a>), as well as lower size and weight. Running some of the <a href="http://code.google.com/p/chromium-os/issues/list?can=1&amp;q=ARM">Chromium OS builds for ARM</a> available shortly and having a full browser experience on those cheaper and better ARM-powered Linux laptops could make it a significant mass market success to shake up the Intel and Microsoft consumer PC/laptop monopoly in its boots."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Charbax writes " Last April , Microsoft argued that it controlled the netbook OS market for devices sold in certain Microsoft-friendly US retail stores , while ABI Research claims that Linux actually has 32 \ % of the worldwide netbook market , and that its market-share is growing .
At the recent Netbook World Summit in Paris France , Aaron J. Seigo , Community leader at the KDE Foundation , and Arnaud Lapr   vote , CTO at Mandriva Linux , give us their estimation for next year 's Linux market share ( video ) in the consumer laptop market .
Their estimation is that Linux will dominate in ARM-powered laptops and that those may take over a significant share of the overall laptop market by their significantly cheaper prices ( as low as $ 80 ) , longer battery life ( as long as 20-40 hours on a small battery using the Pixel Qi screens ) , as well as lower size and weight .
Running some of the Chromium OS builds for ARM available shortly and having a full browser experience on those cheaper and better ARM-powered Linux laptops could make it a significant mass market success to shake up the Intel and Microsoft consumer PC/laptop monopoly in its boots .
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<sentencetext>Charbax writes "Last April, Microsoft argued that it controlled the netbook OS market for devices sold in certain Microsoft-friendly US retail stores, while ABI Research claims that Linux actually has 32\% of the worldwide netbook market, and that its market-share is growing.
At the recent Netbook World Summit in Paris France, Aaron J. Seigo, Community leader at the KDE Foundation, and Arnaud Laprévote, CTO at Mandriva Linux, give us their estimation for next year's Linux market share (video) in the consumer laptop market.
Their estimation is that Linux will dominate in ARM-powered laptops and that those may take over a significant share of the overall laptop market by their significantly cheaper prices (as low as $80), longer battery life (as long as 20-40 hours on a small battery using the Pixel Qi screens), as well as lower size and weight.
Running some of the Chromium OS builds for ARM available shortly and having a full browser experience on those cheaper and better ARM-powered Linux laptops could make it a significant mass market success to shake up the Intel and Microsoft consumer PC/laptop monopoly in its boots.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415926</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260647040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is this guy modded funny?  What he says is true.  Most people are not geeks.  The only thing they think when they buy some app or game at Best Buy and then it won't install on Chrome or Linux is "that's shit, I'm going back to Windows, which at least works".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is this guy modded funny ?
What he says is true .
Most people are not geeks .
The only thing they think when they buy some app or game at Best Buy and then it wo n't install on Chrome or Linux is " that 's shit , I 'm going back to Windows , which at least works " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is this guy modded funny?
What he says is true.
Most people are not geeks.
The only thing they think when they buy some app or game at Best Buy and then it won't install on Chrome or Linux is "that's shit, I'm going back to Windows, which at least works".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30417056</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>0123456</author>
	<datestamp>1260611160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <tt>Doesn't Windows Mobile (WinCE) run on ARM?</tt></p></div><p>Probably... but most Windows apps won't run on it without recompiling. And people don't buy Windows to run Windows, they buy Windows to run Windows apps.</p><p>So if you're going to buy a new netbook that won't run your old Windows apps anyway, there's much less reason to spend $150 rather than $100 just so it runs Windows rather than Linux/Chrome/whatever.</p><p>I guess C# and the like could be an option, but running non-native code on ARM seems like masochism to me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't Windows Mobile ( WinCE ) run on ARM ? Probably... but most Windows apps wo n't run on it without recompiling .
And people do n't buy Windows to run Windows , they buy Windows to run Windows apps.So if you 're going to buy a new netbook that wo n't run your old Windows apps anyway , there 's much less reason to spend $ 150 rather than $ 100 just so it runs Windows rather than Linux/Chrome/whatever.I guess C # and the like could be an option , but running non-native code on ARM seems like masochism to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Doesn't Windows Mobile (WinCE) run on ARM?Probably... but most Windows apps won't run on it without recompiling.
And people don't buy Windows to run Windows, they buy Windows to run Windows apps.So if you're going to buy a new netbook that won't run your old Windows apps anyway, there's much less reason to spend $150 rather than $100 just so it runs Windows rather than Linux/Chrome/whatever.I guess C# and the like could be an option, but running non-native code on ARM seems like masochism to me.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420892</id>
	<title>Re:ARM slow</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1260734760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since it was able to play 1080p video, I'm guessing it was Tegra? Nvidia somehow managed to convince people to talk mostly about its HD playback acceleration (which is pointless on such device), which is handled by DSP/GPU of course.</p><p>What they don't talk about is that Tegra is based around ARM11 CPU core. Which is...a bit ancient. There are other solutions based around Cortex-A8, which is almost two times faster per clock. Even faster Cortex-A9, which can be also multicore, is upcoming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since it was able to play 1080p video , I 'm guessing it was Tegra ?
Nvidia somehow managed to convince people to talk mostly about its HD playback acceleration ( which is pointless on such device ) , which is handled by DSP/GPU of course.What they do n't talk about is that Tegra is based around ARM11 CPU core .
Which is...a bit ancient .
There are other solutions based around Cortex-A8 , which is almost two times faster per clock .
Even faster Cortex-A9 , which can be also multicore , is upcoming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since it was able to play 1080p video, I'm guessing it was Tegra?
Nvidia somehow managed to convince people to talk mostly about its HD playback acceleration (which is pointless on such device), which is handled by DSP/GPU of course.What they don't talk about is that Tegra is based around ARM11 CPU core.
Which is...a bit ancient.
There are other solutions based around Cortex-A8, which is almost two times faster per clock.
Even faster Cortex-A9, which can be also multicore, is upcoming.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415402</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260643680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>True. At least put Xubuntu on it, minimalist, fast and you are not restricted to privacy-invading inefficient online web-apps. <br> <br>

An ARM Netbook running Chromium is a waste of perfectly good hardware. Its like buying a 1 litre beer bottle with only 10mL of beer inside in it. (sorry I hate car analogies)</htmltext>
<tokenext>True .
At least put Xubuntu on it , minimalist , fast and you are not restricted to privacy-invading inefficient online web-apps .
An ARM Netbook running Chromium is a waste of perfectly good hardware .
Its like buying a 1 litre beer bottle with only 10mL of beer inside in it .
( sorry I hate car analogies )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True.
At least put Xubuntu on it, minimalist, fast and you are not restricted to privacy-invading inefficient online web-apps.
An ARM Netbook running Chromium is a waste of perfectly good hardware.
Its like buying a 1 litre beer bottle with only 10mL of beer inside in it.
(sorry I hate car analogies)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420646</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1260645540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>So the when the ARM netbooks come out, you will have your choice between Linux and the vast majority of Linux's apps, or Windows and the vast minority of Windows apps.</i> </p><p>I wouldn't count out Intel and x86 at the low end. I wouldn't bet on ARM and Chrome making it to retail at $89.99, either.</p><p>The geek has been betting on white knights like OLPC and the Simputer for as far back as I can remember. None of them has gone the distance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the when the ARM netbooks come out , you will have your choice between Linux and the vast majority of Linux 's apps , or Windows and the vast minority of Windows apps .
I would n't count out Intel and x86 at the low end .
I would n't bet on ARM and Chrome making it to retail at $ 89.99 , either.The geek has been betting on white knights like OLPC and the Simputer for as far back as I can remember .
None of them has gone the distance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the when the ARM netbooks come out, you will have your choice between Linux and the vast majority of Linux's apps, or Windows and the vast minority of Windows apps.
I wouldn't count out Intel and x86 at the low end.
I wouldn't bet on ARM and Chrome making it to retail at $89.99, either.The geek has been betting on white knights like OLPC and the Simputer for as far back as I can remember.
None of them has gone the distance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30421222</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>Yfrwlf</author>
	<datestamp>1260696840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"Basically, they all said it was shit. They didn't like how they couldn't play their existing games or use their existing apps, for instance."</i> <br> <br>

<i>"One of the teachers already has a MacBook from her school, and says it works perfectly fine at the Starbucks when she gets her morning coffee. Plus she can use all of her other apps."</i>

<br> <br>Chrome OS doesn't have any apps for it, while OSX is loaded with apps that *everyone* wants, needs, and uses.  Gotcha.  Geezus, biased much?  While I agree that it sucks being confined to a browser as a lot of apps I use are not, a lot of computer users now days use very web-centric programs.  IM, email, and games being some of the more commonly used apps.  Our opinions don't really matter, the only question is will web app use continue to rise?  I think it will.  The web as a "platform" runs on all the major OSes, and thus it continues to be a big lure for developers.  As web apps become able to do more, which they are especially with <a href="http://www.khronos.org/webgl/" title="khronos.org">OpenGL coming to the web</a> [khronos.org], it will continue to increase.  I think Google has it right and are wise to that, but I will continue using Chromium and Firefox on my full-featured Linux desktop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Basically , they all said it was shit .
They did n't like how they could n't play their existing games or use their existing apps , for instance .
" " One of the teachers already has a MacBook from her school , and says it works perfectly fine at the Starbucks when she gets her morning coffee .
Plus she can use all of her other apps .
" Chrome OS does n't have any apps for it , while OSX is loaded with apps that * everyone * wants , needs , and uses .
Gotcha. Geezus , biased much ?
While I agree that it sucks being confined to a browser as a lot of apps I use are not , a lot of computer users now days use very web-centric programs .
IM , email , and games being some of the more commonly used apps .
Our opinions do n't really matter , the only question is will web app use continue to rise ?
I think it will .
The web as a " platform " runs on all the major OSes , and thus it continues to be a big lure for developers .
As web apps become able to do more , which they are especially with OpenGL coming to the web [ khronos.org ] , it will continue to increase .
I think Google has it right and are wise to that , but I will continue using Chromium and Firefox on my full-featured Linux desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Basically, they all said it was shit.
They didn't like how they couldn't play their existing games or use their existing apps, for instance.
"  

"One of the teachers already has a MacBook from her school, and says it works perfectly fine at the Starbucks when she gets her morning coffee.
Plus she can use all of her other apps.
"

 Chrome OS doesn't have any apps for it, while OSX is loaded with apps that *everyone* wants, needs, and uses.
Gotcha.  Geezus, biased much?
While I agree that it sucks being confined to a browser as a lot of apps I use are not, a lot of computer users now days use very web-centric programs.
IM, email, and games being some of the more commonly used apps.
Our opinions don't really matter, the only question is will web app use continue to rise?
I think it will.
The web as a "platform" runs on all the major OSes, and thus it continues to be a big lure for developers.
As web apps become able to do more, which they are especially with OpenGL coming to the web [khronos.org], it will continue to increase.
I think Google has it right and are wise to that, but I will continue using Chromium and Firefox on my full-featured Linux desktop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415314</id>
	<title>OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1260643260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux is expected to dominate ARM-based netbooks because Windows doesn't run on ARM, full stop. That math's not hard.</p><p>The question is whether ARM-based netbooks will sell at all. It doesn't really matter what OS a netbook is running. Nobody buys any kind of computer to run an OS. They buy computers to run apps. You can argue all you want that Mac OS X is more elegant than Windows, or whatever -- but if you couldn't get a word processor for it, nobody would use it.</p><p>Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but it offers exactly one app: a Web browser. If an inexpensive device that does nothing except access the Web is attractive to people, they will buy them. I don't really see how that will "shake up the Intel and Microsoft consumer PC/laptop monopoly in its boots," (sic) though. A Chrome OS device is not competitive with consumer PCs or laptops.</p><p>So sure, we can expect market share gains for Linux in the future -- in the same sense that Linux has dominated the market for home wireless routers, a market where Windows is a total failure. As single-use embedded systems, Chrome OS devices seem like a natural opportunity for Linux, which is already gaining popularity in the embedded systems market.</p><p>I'd be more impressed if Android (which also runs on the Linux kernel) made real inroads into the smartphone market. I keep hearing how many models of Android phones are coming, at the same time I keep hearing how disappointed developers are with the Android software market (in other words, nobody's buying).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux is expected to dominate ARM-based netbooks because Windows does n't run on ARM , full stop .
That math 's not hard.The question is whether ARM-based netbooks will sell at all .
It does n't really matter what OS a netbook is running .
Nobody buys any kind of computer to run an OS .
They buy computers to run apps .
You can argue all you want that Mac OS X is more elegant than Windows , or whatever -- but if you could n't get a word processor for it , nobody would use it.Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel , but it offers exactly one app : a Web browser .
If an inexpensive device that does nothing except access the Web is attractive to people , they will buy them .
I do n't really see how that will " shake up the Intel and Microsoft consumer PC/laptop monopoly in its boots , " ( sic ) though .
A Chrome OS device is not competitive with consumer PCs or laptops.So sure , we can expect market share gains for Linux in the future -- in the same sense that Linux has dominated the market for home wireless routers , a market where Windows is a total failure .
As single-use embedded systems , Chrome OS devices seem like a natural opportunity for Linux , which is already gaining popularity in the embedded systems market.I 'd be more impressed if Android ( which also runs on the Linux kernel ) made real inroads into the smartphone market .
I keep hearing how many models of Android phones are coming , at the same time I keep hearing how disappointed developers are with the Android software market ( in other words , nobody 's buying ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux is expected to dominate ARM-based netbooks because Windows doesn't run on ARM, full stop.
That math's not hard.The question is whether ARM-based netbooks will sell at all.
It doesn't really matter what OS a netbook is running.
Nobody buys any kind of computer to run an OS.
They buy computers to run apps.
You can argue all you want that Mac OS X is more elegant than Windows, or whatever -- but if you couldn't get a word processor for it, nobody would use it.Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but it offers exactly one app: a Web browser.
If an inexpensive device that does nothing except access the Web is attractive to people, they will buy them.
I don't really see how that will "shake up the Intel and Microsoft consumer PC/laptop monopoly in its boots," (sic) though.
A Chrome OS device is not competitive with consumer PCs or laptops.So sure, we can expect market share gains for Linux in the future -- in the same sense that Linux has dominated the market for home wireless routers, a market where Windows is a total failure.
As single-use embedded systems, Chrome OS devices seem like a natural opportunity for Linux, which is already gaining popularity in the embedded systems market.I'd be more impressed if Android (which also runs on the Linux kernel) made real inroads into the smartphone market.
I keep hearing how many models of Android phones are coming, at the same time I keep hearing how disappointed developers are with the Android software market (in other words, nobody's buying).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416230</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>mrphoton</author>
	<datestamp>1260649500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I saw this windows CE netbook on sale in the UK:
<a href="http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=257308" title="maplin.co.uk">http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=257308</a> [maplin.co.uk]
Maplin is an electronics/gizmo store, but I have seen one or two others on sale in medium sized chains.  I has been on sale for a year or so so I guess it can not be doing too badly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw this windows CE netbook on sale in the UK : http : //www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx ? ModuleNo = 257308 [ maplin.co.uk ] Maplin is an electronics/gizmo store , but I have seen one or two others on sale in medium sized chains .
I has been on sale for a year or so so I guess it can not be doing too badly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw this windows CE netbook on sale in the UK:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=257308 [maplin.co.uk]
Maplin is an electronics/gizmo store, but I have seen one or two others on sale in medium sized chains.
I has been on sale for a year or so so I guess it can not be doing too badly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415468</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>larry bagina</author>
	<datestamp>1260644040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think browser-only is the way to go, but I don't think the lack of existing apps or games is the problem.  Look at the iphone and the app store.  A desktop-class browser (minus the flash and java) plus games, apps, and utilities designed for the device plus an app store could be a success.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think browser-only is the way to go , but I do n't think the lack of existing apps or games is the problem .
Look at the iphone and the app store .
A desktop-class browser ( minus the flash and java ) plus games , apps , and utilities designed for the device plus an app store could be a success .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think browser-only is the way to go, but I don't think the lack of existing apps or games is the problem.
Look at the iphone and the app store.
A desktop-class browser (minus the flash and java) plus games, apps, and utilities designed for the device plus an app store could be a success.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416298</id>
	<title>Re:Twist your ARM</title>
	<author>icebraining</author>
	<datestamp>1260649800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe you need an ultraportable. I've got a 12.1" HP DV2 (AMD Neo CPU), which is kind of an hybrid between an ultraportable and a netbook. The CPU only has one core, but way faster than most Atoms.</p><p>The main problem is power consumption and therefore battery life. With a TDP of 15W, it lasts way less than a regular netbook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe you need an ultraportable .
I 've got a 12.1 " HP DV2 ( AMD Neo CPU ) , which is kind of an hybrid between an ultraportable and a netbook .
The CPU only has one core , but way faster than most Atoms.The main problem is power consumption and therefore battery life .
With a TDP of 15W , it lasts way less than a regular netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe you need an ultraportable.
I've got a 12.1" HP DV2 (AMD Neo CPU), which is kind of an hybrid between an ultraportable and a netbook.
The CPU only has one core, but way faster than most Atoms.The main problem is power consumption and therefore battery life.
With a TDP of 15W, it lasts way less than a regular netbook.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30453184</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260889680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you that old? It tookme fifteen minutes to convert every classmate I've done groupwork with to Google cloud products. They've all felt the pain of a zero because the assignment was not in on time, and errors caused by word crashes. Furhermore, Docs supports office 07 better than the office on school computers. It even tolerates internet explorer (7 and up) responsiveness-wise. It convers faster than word, and is amazing. I even prefer it to openoffice because the admin left version 2 on the computers, oblivious to the low cost of upgrade. Word is beginning to be phased out on some computers, and corel will be too. Our dl speed at peak usage is 15kbps, which is ok for XHR, and will improve when word is completely removed, which puts less stress on the network servers hosting the autosaving doc files. I AM currently looking or such a netbook, but cannot find one, as speed is a priority, and I regret my Windows 7 purchase. I run linux on it, but I hide this fact. The battery life increases around 50\% to 3hrs with linux, VNCing to my desktop, wasting wifi, cpu, and battery on linux. I do not believe that a chrome os netbook will last all day, but five hours sounds quite spectacular.<br>While we are talking about google, bing's search is up because new ie points mistyped urls to bing, who has worse results. Google is on the addons page, but you must search because it's not on the front page. I just use firefox because new so-called awesomebar resolves all (url, domain, name of). Also, my school forces windows because it has no chance of usb boot, no wifi, and the wires are tightly bound to the chassis where a laptop cannot reach. 3G is slow because of concrete roof.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you that old ?
It tookme fifteen minutes to convert every classmate I 've done groupwork with to Google cloud products .
They 've all felt the pain of a zero because the assignment was not in on time , and errors caused by word crashes .
Furhermore , Docs supports office 07 better than the office on school computers .
It even tolerates internet explorer ( 7 and up ) responsiveness-wise .
It convers faster than word , and is amazing .
I even prefer it to openoffice because the admin left version 2 on the computers , oblivious to the low cost of upgrade .
Word is beginning to be phased out on some computers , and corel will be too .
Our dl speed at peak usage is 15kbps , which is ok for XHR , and will improve when word is completely removed , which puts less stress on the network servers hosting the autosaving doc files .
I AM currently looking or such a netbook , but can not find one , as speed is a priority , and I regret my Windows 7 purchase .
I run linux on it , but I hide this fact .
The battery life increases around 50 \ % to 3hrs with linux , VNCing to my desktop , wasting wifi , cpu , and battery on linux .
I do not believe that a chrome os netbook will last all day , but five hours sounds quite spectacular.While we are talking about google , bing 's search is up because new ie points mistyped urls to bing , who has worse results .
Google is on the addons page , but you must search because it 's not on the front page .
I just use firefox because new so-called awesomebar resolves all ( url , domain , name of ) .
Also , my school forces windows because it has no chance of usb boot , no wifi , and the wires are tightly bound to the chassis where a laptop can not reach .
3G is slow because of concrete roof .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you that old?
It tookme fifteen minutes to convert every classmate I've done groupwork with to Google cloud products.
They've all felt the pain of a zero because the assignment was not in on time, and errors caused by word crashes.
Furhermore, Docs supports office 07 better than the office on school computers.
It even tolerates internet explorer (7 and up) responsiveness-wise.
It convers faster than word, and is amazing.
I even prefer it to openoffice because the admin left version 2 on the computers, oblivious to the low cost of upgrade.
Word is beginning to be phased out on some computers, and corel will be too.
Our dl speed at peak usage is 15kbps, which is ok for XHR, and will improve when word is completely removed, which puts less stress on the network servers hosting the autosaving doc files.
I AM currently looking or such a netbook, but cannot find one, as speed is a priority, and I regret my Windows 7 purchase.
I run linux on it, but I hide this fact.
The battery life increases around 50\% to 3hrs with linux, VNCing to my desktop, wasting wifi, cpu, and battery on linux.
I do not believe that a chrome os netbook will last all day, but five hours sounds quite spectacular.While we are talking about google, bing's search is up because new ie points mistyped urls to bing, who has worse results.
Google is on the addons page, but you must search because it's not on the front page.
I just use firefox because new so-called awesomebar resolves all (url, domain, name of).
Also, my school forces windows because it has no chance of usb boot, no wifi, and the wires are tightly bound to the chassis where a laptop cannot reach.
3G is slow because of concrete roof.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415328</id>
	<title>Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260643320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We keep seeing this story over and over and over again.</p><p>WHERE ARE THE NETBOOKS!?</p><p>Please, direct me to a ARM-based Linux netbook I can buy from a store right now. Any one. Even if I have to climb the dominating tower of Atom-based Windows netbooks to reach them.</p><p>Can we all agree to put a moratorium on this story until the product it's talking about *actually exists*? Thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We keep seeing this story over and over and over again.WHERE ARE THE NETBOOKS !
? Please , direct me to a ARM-based Linux netbook I can buy from a store right now .
Any one .
Even if I have to climb the dominating tower of Atom-based Windows netbooks to reach them.Can we all agree to put a moratorium on this story until the product it 's talking about * actually exists * ?
Thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We keep seeing this story over and over and over again.WHERE ARE THE NETBOOKS!
?Please, direct me to a ARM-based Linux netbook I can buy from a store right now.
Any one.
Even if I have to climb the dominating tower of Atom-based Windows netbooks to reach them.Can we all agree to put a moratorium on this story until the product it's talking about *actually exists*?
Thanks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415490</id>
	<title>What about our software freedom?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260644220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most (if not all) of those ARM devices have proprietary graphics cards, so the only way to maintain our software freedom is to use framebuffer (when possible at all).</p><p>It'll mean nothing [to dominate the ARM devices market] if our software freedom has bow before the shackles of a few companies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most ( if not all ) of those ARM devices have proprietary graphics cards , so the only way to maintain our software freedom is to use framebuffer ( when possible at all ) .It 'll mean nothing [ to dominate the ARM devices market ] if our software freedom has bow before the shackles of a few companies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most (if not all) of those ARM devices have proprietary graphics cards, so the only way to maintain our software freedom is to use framebuffer (when possible at all).It'll mean nothing [to dominate the ARM devices market] if our software freedom has bow before the shackles of a few companies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415372</id>
	<title>Twist your ARM</title>
	<author>Wowsers</author>
	<datestamp>1260643560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a netbook, there are two points that would be nice. A better resolution in the more or less screen screen space, and for it to have a dual-core processor. Yes I know you can get that and more in a laptop and even for a similar price, but the size of a laptop is why I got a netbook. Dual core is nice to work on something without the computer running like it's in molasses. Would be nice to run compiz and other stuff without it bogging the netbook down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a netbook , there are two points that would be nice .
A better resolution in the more or less screen screen space , and for it to have a dual-core processor .
Yes I know you can get that and more in a laptop and even for a similar price , but the size of a laptop is why I got a netbook .
Dual core is nice to work on something without the computer running like it 's in molasses .
Would be nice to run compiz and other stuff without it bogging the netbook down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a netbook, there are two points that would be nice.
A better resolution in the more or less screen screen space, and for it to have a dual-core processor.
Yes I know you can get that and more in a laptop and even for a similar price, but the size of a laptop is why I got a netbook.
Dual core is nice to work on something without the computer running like it's in molasses.
Would be nice to run compiz and other stuff without it bogging the netbook down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30423872</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>FrankieBaby1986</author>
	<datestamp>1260731940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why does everyone want the netbook to do everything and the kitchen sink? I used to own an HP Jornada 320LX (tiny "Palmtop" PC, MIPS, no internet. Few apps). I was in highschool. Ran on two AA batteries which lasted weeks, and I was able to carry the thing in my pocket. Even had a decent keyboard. Could do assignments and type notes anywhere, play little games to pass some time, etc. It was of great utility and because of the great battery life, always available and convenient. A $100 ARM netbook with at least 6 hours battery and the ability to do all that AND to surf the web and watch video and play music... ssh into my main computer and stream things/vnc? DO WANT. NOW.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does everyone want the netbook to do everything and the kitchen sink ?
I used to own an HP Jornada 320LX ( tiny " Palmtop " PC , MIPS , no internet .
Few apps ) .
I was in highschool .
Ran on two AA batteries which lasted weeks , and I was able to carry the thing in my pocket .
Even had a decent keyboard .
Could do assignments and type notes anywhere , play little games to pass some time , etc .
It was of great utility and because of the great battery life , always available and convenient .
A $ 100 ARM netbook with at least 6 hours battery and the ability to do all that AND to surf the web and watch video and play music... ssh into my main computer and stream things/vnc ?
DO WANT .
NOW .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does everyone want the netbook to do everything and the kitchen sink?
I used to own an HP Jornada 320LX (tiny "Palmtop" PC, MIPS, no internet.
Few apps).
I was in highschool.
Ran on two AA batteries which lasted weeks, and I was able to carry the thing in my pocket.
Even had a decent keyboard.
Could do assignments and type notes anywhere, play little games to pass some time, etc.
It was of great utility and because of the great battery life, always available and convenient.
A $100 ARM netbook with at least 6 hours battery and the ability to do all that AND to surf the web and watch video and play music... ssh into my main computer and stream things/vnc?
DO WANT.
NOW.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30419132</id>
	<title>Re:ARM-Powered Laptops To Increase Linux Market Sh</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1260632220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Troll? I'll bite.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>There are warts in Linux that do not get fixed, such as the flickering screen in Ubuntu boot and shut down, despite attention from distro's (others, such as suspending a computer, are only on a minority of chip sets and can be fixed when working with a Manufacturer)</p></div><p>This is nothing new, for anyone. XP, Vista, Windows 7? Yeah, they've all got issues with proper suspend - largely due to ATI and/or Nvidia drivers/hardware (as well as misc. wireless cards), it would seem.</p><p>Besides, we're talking about ARM systems not x86 systems, with a concerted vendor support. Those bugs are quite likely to be fixed, due to the diverse/capable suspend + power management functionality present in all ARM cores.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>It seems that Linux needs a business to focus on it and ensure that the customer experience is fully taken into account (with deference paid to hackers and community organisations such as Gnome, Kde etc).</p></div><p>IBM? Redhat? Canonical? Novell? Nokia? Dell? HP? Or the (hundreds? thousand?) of others. They're all throwing their hats in, to one degree or another. Linux software development is hardly a "volunteer only" effort anymore.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>One thing to ask your self is would Apple (or other unnamed companies operating in the OS space) allow such a case of the above screen flickering, or would it be dealt with even if the X server had to be replaced (if that is the problem)</p></div><p>I have not seen/noticed this "flickering" you speak of on any of the systems I've got/maintain. Are you talking about the graphical "loading with logo" boot/shutdown screens? And if so, why is this even a problem? (While I did reboot "recently", that "recently" was a couple weeks ago, so I do not have a solid memory of the event and can't say it doesn't happen with any certainty.)</p><p>If a non-quantifiable "flickering" and suspend issues (still endemic to many OSes/hardware platforms) are your biggest problems with Linux, it would seem you've not got all that much to complain about. (Are you sure you've done much more than install Linux? It doesn't much seem like you know what you're talking about, either.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Troll ?
I 'll bite.There are warts in Linux that do not get fixed , such as the flickering screen in Ubuntu boot and shut down , despite attention from distro 's ( others , such as suspending a computer , are only on a minority of chip sets and can be fixed when working with a Manufacturer ) This is nothing new , for anyone .
XP , Vista , Windows 7 ?
Yeah , they 've all got issues with proper suspend - largely due to ATI and/or Nvidia drivers/hardware ( as well as misc .
wireless cards ) , it would seem.Besides , we 're talking about ARM systems not x86 systems , with a concerted vendor support .
Those bugs are quite likely to be fixed , due to the diverse/capable suspend + power management functionality present in all ARM cores.It seems that Linux needs a business to focus on it and ensure that the customer experience is fully taken into account ( with deference paid to hackers and community organisations such as Gnome , Kde etc ) .IBM ?
Redhat ? Canonical ?
Novell ? Nokia ?
Dell ? HP ?
Or the ( hundreds ?
thousand ? ) of others .
They 're all throwing their hats in , to one degree or another .
Linux software development is hardly a " volunteer only " effort anymore.One thing to ask your self is would Apple ( or other unnamed companies operating in the OS space ) allow such a case of the above screen flickering , or would it be dealt with even if the X server had to be replaced ( if that is the problem ) I have not seen/noticed this " flickering " you speak of on any of the systems I 've got/maintain .
Are you talking about the graphical " loading with logo " boot/shutdown screens ?
And if so , why is this even a problem ?
( While I did reboot " recently " , that " recently " was a couple weeks ago , so I do not have a solid memory of the event and ca n't say it does n't happen with any certainty .
) If a non-quantifiable " flickering " and suspend issues ( still endemic to many OSes/hardware platforms ) are your biggest problems with Linux , it would seem you 've not got all that much to complain about .
( Are you sure you 've done much more than install Linux ?
It does n't much seem like you know what you 're talking about , either .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Troll?
I'll bite.There are warts in Linux that do not get fixed, such as the flickering screen in Ubuntu boot and shut down, despite attention from distro's (others, such as suspending a computer, are only on a minority of chip sets and can be fixed when working with a Manufacturer)This is nothing new, for anyone.
XP, Vista, Windows 7?
Yeah, they've all got issues with proper suspend - largely due to ATI and/or Nvidia drivers/hardware (as well as misc.
wireless cards), it would seem.Besides, we're talking about ARM systems not x86 systems, with a concerted vendor support.
Those bugs are quite likely to be fixed, due to the diverse/capable suspend + power management functionality present in all ARM cores.It seems that Linux needs a business to focus on it and ensure that the customer experience is fully taken into account (with deference paid to hackers and community organisations such as Gnome, Kde etc).IBM?
Redhat? Canonical?
Novell? Nokia?
Dell? HP?
Or the (hundreds?
thousand?) of others.
They're all throwing their hats in, to one degree or another.
Linux software development is hardly a "volunteer only" effort anymore.One thing to ask your self is would Apple (or other unnamed companies operating in the OS space) allow such a case of the above screen flickering, or would it be dealt with even if the X server had to be replaced (if that is the problem)I have not seen/noticed this "flickering" you speak of on any of the systems I've got/maintain.
Are you talking about the graphical "loading with logo" boot/shutdown screens?
And if so, why is this even a problem?
(While I did reboot "recently", that "recently" was a couple weeks ago, so I do not have a solid memory of the event and can't say it doesn't happen with any certainty.
)If a non-quantifiable "flickering" and suspend issues (still endemic to many OSes/hardware platforms) are your biggest problems with Linux, it would seem you've not got all that much to complain about.
(Are you sure you've done much more than install Linux?
It doesn't much seem like you know what you're talking about, either.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415162</id>
	<title>First</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260642240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeaaahhh!!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeaaahhh ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeaaahhh!!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30417496</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260614580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here you go:<br>http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p\_10151\_10104\_020W014138260001P?vName=Computers+\%26+Electronics&amp;cName=Laptops&amp;sName=Netbooks</p><p>It costs $150, was $120 on Black Friday.  It has a 533MHz Samsung ARM.  However it comes with Windows CE, not Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here you go : http : //www.kmart.com/shc/s/p \ _10151 \ _10104 \ _020W014138260001P ? vName = Computers + \ % 26 + Electronics&amp;cName = Laptops&amp;sName = NetbooksIt costs $ 150 , was $ 120 on Black Friday .
It has a 533MHz Samsung ARM .
However it comes with Windows CE , not Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here you go:http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p\_10151\_10104\_020W014138260001P?vName=Computers+\%26+Electronics&amp;cName=Laptops&amp;sName=NetbooksIt costs $150, was $120 on Black Friday.
It has a 533MHz Samsung ARM.
However it comes with Windows CE, not Linux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418442</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260622740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You might want to start with this article:</p><p><a href="http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/10/linux-netbooks-theyre-still-ou.html" title="oreilly.com" rel="nofollow">Linux Netbooks: They're Still Out There</a> [oreilly.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You might want to start with this article : Linux Netbooks : They 're Still Out There [ oreilly.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might want to start with this article:Linux Netbooks: They're Still Out There [oreilly.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416746</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>hairyfeet</author>
	<datestamp>1260609480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes please! I would LOVE to pick up a couple of these sub $100 ARM Netbooks that we keep hearing about, if for no other reason to see if I can sell them to the local college kids who would probably like an ultra long battery web box that does note taking. But we hear these stories over AND over AND over again, but the things just never seem to show up? What is this Duke Nukem Forever?</p><p>

 Please don't get me all hyped up thinking about about profits and then to only find this is another vaporware that will be released "sometime in the future". Hell if we are gonna do the "sometime in the future" I might as well say that sometime in the future I'll have my Alyson Hannigan Sexbot with the Buffy Season 2 Leather Outfit. Of course Alyson Hannigan is a perfect being,  on which even the <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/video/fcc\_okays\_nudity\_on\_tv\_if\_it\_s" title="theonion.com">FCC agrees</a> [theonion.com], and therefor replication will take time, but come on! This is a Netbook running a cell phone chip for the love of Pete!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes please !
I would LOVE to pick up a couple of these sub $ 100 ARM Netbooks that we keep hearing about , if for no other reason to see if I can sell them to the local college kids who would probably like an ultra long battery web box that does note taking .
But we hear these stories over AND over AND over again , but the things just never seem to show up ?
What is this Duke Nukem Forever ?
Please do n't get me all hyped up thinking about about profits and then to only find this is another vaporware that will be released " sometime in the future " .
Hell if we are gon na do the " sometime in the future " I might as well say that sometime in the future I 'll have my Alyson Hannigan Sexbot with the Buffy Season 2 Leather Outfit .
Of course Alyson Hannigan is a perfect being , on which even the FCC agrees [ theonion.com ] , and therefor replication will take time , but come on !
This is a Netbook running a cell phone chip for the love of Pete !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes please!
I would LOVE to pick up a couple of these sub $100 ARM Netbooks that we keep hearing about, if for no other reason to see if I can sell them to the local college kids who would probably like an ultra long battery web box that does note taking.
But we hear these stories over AND over AND over again, but the things just never seem to show up?
What is this Duke Nukem Forever?
Please don't get me all hyped up thinking about about profits and then to only find this is another vaporware that will be released "sometime in the future".
Hell if we are gonna do the "sometime in the future" I might as well say that sometime in the future I'll have my Alyson Hannigan Sexbot with the Buffy Season 2 Leather Outfit.
Of course Alyson Hannigan is a perfect being,  on which even the FCC agrees [theonion.com], and therefor replication will take time, but come on!
This is a Netbook running a cell phone chip for the love of Pete!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30421694</id>
	<title>Re:ARM-Powered Laptops To Increase Linux Market Sh</title>
	<author>mikechant</author>
	<datestamp>1260705240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>There are warts in Linux that do not get fixed, such as the flickering screen in Ubuntu boot and shut down, despite attention from distro's...</i></p><p>I thought kernel mode setting (currently being rolled out) was the fix for this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are warts in Linux that do not get fixed , such as the flickering screen in Ubuntu boot and shut down , despite attention from distro 's...I thought kernel mode setting ( currently being rolled out ) was the fix for this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are warts in Linux that do not get fixed, such as the flickering screen in Ubuntu boot and shut down, despite attention from distro's...I thought kernel mode setting (currently being rolled out) was the fix for this?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416254</id>
	<title>The best potential is in the smallest devices</title>
	<author>the ReviveR</author>
	<datestamp>1260649560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the breakthrough sector for Linux could very well be mobile phones/computers. This is an area where there simply isn't enough processing power to run Windows and even when there is, Linux will win hands down on battery life, ease of interface customization, support for non-desktop hardware(ARM) etc.</p><p>Platforms like Android, Maemo and Bada could very well start a landslide where most people end up using Linux daily. Once people get used to apps like mplayer and evince on their phones, moving to Linux on desktop will be that much easier. The increasing support for software development from major companies can be a huge boon. I also think that at least with Maemo we will see software designed for phones ported to the direction of Linux desktop.</p><p>Disclaimer: I've been using Maemo based N900 for three weeks now and the potential of the hardware &amp; software stack makes me giddy. Every Linux geek should definitely try it =)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the breakthrough sector for Linux could very well be mobile phones/computers .
This is an area where there simply is n't enough processing power to run Windows and even when there is , Linux will win hands down on battery life , ease of interface customization , support for non-desktop hardware ( ARM ) etc.Platforms like Android , Maemo and Bada could very well start a landslide where most people end up using Linux daily .
Once people get used to apps like mplayer and evince on their phones , moving to Linux on desktop will be that much easier .
The increasing support for software development from major companies can be a huge boon .
I also think that at least with Maemo we will see software designed for phones ported to the direction of Linux desktop.Disclaimer : I 've been using Maemo based N900 for three weeks now and the potential of the hardware &amp; software stack makes me giddy .
Every Linux geek should definitely try it = )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the breakthrough sector for Linux could very well be mobile phones/computers.
This is an area where there simply isn't enough processing power to run Windows and even when there is, Linux will win hands down on battery life, ease of interface customization, support for non-desktop hardware(ARM) etc.Platforms like Android, Maemo and Bada could very well start a landslide where most people end up using Linux daily.
Once people get used to apps like mplayer and evince on their phones, moving to Linux on desktop will be that much easier.
The increasing support for software development from major companies can be a huge boon.
I also think that at least with Maemo we will see software designed for phones ported to the direction of Linux desktop.Disclaimer: I've been using Maemo based N900 for three weeks now and the potential of the hardware &amp; software stack makes me giddy.
Every Linux geek should definitely try it =)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416428</id>
	<title>2010 will be...</title>
	<author>awyeah</author>
	<datestamp>1260650520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... the year of Linux on the desktop^H^H^H^H^H^H^H ARM-Powered laptop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... the year of Linux on the desktop ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ARM-Powered laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... the year of Linux on the desktop^H^H^H^H^H^H^H ARM-Powered laptop.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420354</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260642780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Menq EasyPC E790 discussed in the "as low as $80" link in the summary was on sale for $119.99 at Kmart on Black Friday (<a href="http://tgiblackfriday.com/KMart/Delstar-7-Inch-Wireless-Netbook-05-Windows-CE-deal" title="tgiblackfriday.com" rel="nofollow">link</a> [tgiblackfriday.com]).</p><p>Yes, I realize that's not $80 or even sub-$100, but it's the one they're talking about - or at least some re-packaging or re-labeling of the same product, I think - and it was available in the stores.  It might still be, I don't know.</p><p>The price discrepancy can probably be chalked up to the fact that the $80 is the wholesale price, that Kmart might not have place a huge order since they might not be sure of the market for these things, and the copy of Windows CE.</p><p>Personally, I think that model is kind of a weak attempt, but I was still tempted.  I hope that they get the specs up some (I know, I know... it's a netbook), sell it without Windows, and that retailers don't get too discouraged by limited sales of these earlier and really low spec models.</p><p>And geez, I think I remember reading up on the thing on Thanksgiving, and (<a href="http://delstar.net/wholesale-photo-watches-clocks/ds700-netbook.html" title="delstar.net" rel="nofollow">found the link</a> [delstar.net]) they only claim a 3 hour battery life.  This thing is just really lacking, in my estimation, any of the great things that would make an ARM netbook worth having for Linux.  Slow CPU, not even enough RAM to run Firefox, paying for Windows anyway, and crap battery life on top of that?  But hey, it's a start, and let's hope it's not the finish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Menq EasyPC E790 discussed in the " as low as $ 80 " link in the summary was on sale for $ 119.99 at Kmart on Black Friday ( link [ tgiblackfriday.com ] ) .Yes , I realize that 's not $ 80 or even sub- $ 100 , but it 's the one they 're talking about - or at least some re-packaging or re-labeling of the same product , I think - and it was available in the stores .
It might still be , I do n't know.The price discrepancy can probably be chalked up to the fact that the $ 80 is the wholesale price , that Kmart might not have place a huge order since they might not be sure of the market for these things , and the copy of Windows CE.Personally , I think that model is kind of a weak attempt , but I was still tempted .
I hope that they get the specs up some ( I know , I know... it 's a netbook ) , sell it without Windows , and that retailers do n't get too discouraged by limited sales of these earlier and really low spec models.And geez , I think I remember reading up on the thing on Thanksgiving , and ( found the link [ delstar.net ] ) they only claim a 3 hour battery life .
This thing is just really lacking , in my estimation , any of the great things that would make an ARM netbook worth having for Linux .
Slow CPU , not even enough RAM to run Firefox , paying for Windows anyway , and crap battery life on top of that ?
But hey , it 's a start , and let 's hope it 's not the finish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Menq EasyPC E790 discussed in the "as low as $80" link in the summary was on sale for $119.99 at Kmart on Black Friday (link [tgiblackfriday.com]).Yes, I realize that's not $80 or even sub-$100, but it's the one they're talking about - or at least some re-packaging or re-labeling of the same product, I think - and it was available in the stores.
It might still be, I don't know.The price discrepancy can probably be chalked up to the fact that the $80 is the wholesale price, that Kmart might not have place a huge order since they might not be sure of the market for these things, and the copy of Windows CE.Personally, I think that model is kind of a weak attempt, but I was still tempted.
I hope that they get the specs up some (I know, I know... it's a netbook), sell it without Windows, and that retailers don't get too discouraged by limited sales of these earlier and really low spec models.And geez, I think I remember reading up on the thing on Thanksgiving, and (found the link [delstar.net]) they only claim a 3 hour battery life.
This thing is just really lacking, in my estimation, any of the great things that would make an ARM netbook worth having for Linux.
Slow CPU, not even enough RAM to run Firefox, paying for Windows anyway, and crap battery life on top of that?
But hey, it's a start, and let's hope it's not the finish.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415526</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260644340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's one (and I have the SmartQ7 model): <a href="http://www.smartdevices.com.cn/" title="smartdevices.com.cn">http://www.smartdevices.com.cn/</a> [smartdevices.com.cn]</p><p>Nice and cheap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's one ( and I have the SmartQ7 model ) : http : //www.smartdevices.com.cn/ [ smartdevices.com.cn ] Nice and cheap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's one (and I have the SmartQ7 model): http://www.smartdevices.com.cn/ [smartdevices.com.cn]Nice and cheap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415976</id>
	<title>Re:ARM?</title>
	<author>Xoron101</author>
	<datestamp>1260647280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let me google that for you:<br>
<a href="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=arm+architecture" title="lmgtfy.com" rel="nofollow">http://lmgtfy.com/?q=arm+architecture</a> [lmgtfy.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me google that for you : http : //lmgtfy.com/ ? q = arm + architecture [ lmgtfy.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me google that for you:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=arm+architecture [lmgtfy.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416328</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1260650040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The question is whether ARM-based netbooks will sell at all. It doesn't really matter what OS a netbook is running. Nobody buys any kind of computer to run an OS. They buy computers to run apps. You can argue all you want that Mac OS X is more elegant than Windows, or whatever -- but if you couldn't get a word processor for it, nobody would use it.</p></div></blockquote><p>Good point, but you mix a couple of factors together.  Nobody would buy an OS that didn't offer a word processor, no, but sometimes <i>the particular</i> word processor it offers isn't important.  Some people do buy a computer to run Word, but most buy a computer to do word processing.  If you can offer equivalent functionality then they'll go with the machine that otherwise best serves their needs.  Since both Windows and OS X offer word processors, some people do buy Macs because of the OS.</p><p>Chrome does offer a word processor - Google Docs.  Whether it (and all the other apps people use) works sufficiently well to provide equivalent functionality to Word, Open Office, Works, or whatever is important, but so is the OS.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The question is whether ARM-based netbooks will sell at all .
It does n't really matter what OS a netbook is running .
Nobody buys any kind of computer to run an OS .
They buy computers to run apps .
You can argue all you want that Mac OS X is more elegant than Windows , or whatever -- but if you could n't get a word processor for it , nobody would use it.Good point , but you mix a couple of factors together .
Nobody would buy an OS that did n't offer a word processor , no , but sometimes the particular word processor it offers is n't important .
Some people do buy a computer to run Word , but most buy a computer to do word processing .
If you can offer equivalent functionality then they 'll go with the machine that otherwise best serves their needs .
Since both Windows and OS X offer word processors , some people do buy Macs because of the OS.Chrome does offer a word processor - Google Docs .
Whether it ( and all the other apps people use ) works sufficiently well to provide equivalent functionality to Word , Open Office , Works , or whatever is important , but so is the OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question is whether ARM-based netbooks will sell at all.
It doesn't really matter what OS a netbook is running.
Nobody buys any kind of computer to run an OS.
They buy computers to run apps.
You can argue all you want that Mac OS X is more elegant than Windows, or whatever -- but if you couldn't get a word processor for it, nobody would use it.Good point, but you mix a couple of factors together.
Nobody would buy an OS that didn't offer a word processor, no, but sometimes the particular word processor it offers isn't important.
Some people do buy a computer to run Word, but most buy a computer to do word processing.
If you can offer equivalent functionality then they'll go with the machine that otherwise best serves their needs.
Since both Windows and OS X offer word processors, some people do buy Macs because of the OS.Chrome does offer a word processor - Google Docs.
Whether it (and all the other apps people use) works sufficiently well to provide equivalent functionality to Word, Open Office, Works, or whatever is important, but so is the OS.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30429574</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1260793080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>That's ridiculous. What's Microsoft's presence in the netbook space? Is it Vista? Is it Win7, the much-ballyhooed "Linux netbook killer?"</i>
<p>
Currently its XP which is doing just fine clawing back market share from Linux, and soon it will be Windows 7 starter. There is nothing ridiculous about it, it's a reality. What is notable about both offerings is that they run fine on netbooks, provide a familiar experience and also work great with 3G modems and other attachments that people are likely to attach to them. Microsoft badly screwed up with Vista's system requirements but even using XP as a stopgap proved to be sufficient to stop Linux making further inroads.
</p><p>
I know from bitter experience the sort of obstacles Linux throws up that don't even occur on Windows. I started with an EeePC 701 running Asus' homebrew Linux. The support was terrible, no doubt caused by using unionfs on the ssd - every patch actually gobbled up user storage space. So I reinstalled with Ubuntu. The first couple of iterations didn't even support the netbook's hardware but eventually I got a basic working netbook. The pain didn't stop since I bought a 3G modem which worked fine on Windows. Did it work fine on Linux? Of course not since the kernel didn't even support usb modems, or usb devices that switch modes. So I spent hours rebuilding the kernel to include usbserial, and crafting scripts to flip the modem into modem mode, invoke wvdial etc. I had basic working network connectivity even if it meant dropping to a shell to get stuff running. Finally Ubuntu caught up with 3G so now I can use the network tool. This is a major advance but it's still very flakey, lacking signal strength info and dropping connections WAY more than Windows. So 2 years after buying my 701, one of the best dists is barely at parity with what Windows could have done out of the box.
</p><p>
You know how hard it is to get a 3G modem working on Windows? Plug it in, run the installer and you have 3G networking. That "stale crap" makes using hardware a fairly painless exercise and represents the level of simplicity that Linux needs too.
</p><p>
As for Ubuntu &amp; Plasma, we'll see when we actually start seeing netbooks that actually ship with them. I have lot more faith in Ubuntu providing a netbook suitable experience than KDE. Ubuntu (and GNOME) has a proven track record of putting usability front and center even if it comes up short supporting drivers. KDE has never gotten usability, not even in 4.x which is a dogs dinner of simple &amp; advanced menus, toolbars &amp; settings all mixed together. I have no faith that slapping some netbook skin on top will materially change things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's ridiculous .
What 's Microsoft 's presence in the netbook space ?
Is it Vista ?
Is it Win7 , the much-ballyhooed " Linux netbook killer ?
" Currently its XP which is doing just fine clawing back market share from Linux , and soon it will be Windows 7 starter .
There is nothing ridiculous about it , it 's a reality .
What is notable about both offerings is that they run fine on netbooks , provide a familiar experience and also work great with 3G modems and other attachments that people are likely to attach to them .
Microsoft badly screwed up with Vista 's system requirements but even using XP as a stopgap proved to be sufficient to stop Linux making further inroads .
I know from bitter experience the sort of obstacles Linux throws up that do n't even occur on Windows .
I started with an EeePC 701 running Asus ' homebrew Linux .
The support was terrible , no doubt caused by using unionfs on the ssd - every patch actually gobbled up user storage space .
So I reinstalled with Ubuntu .
The first couple of iterations did n't even support the netbook 's hardware but eventually I got a basic working netbook .
The pain did n't stop since I bought a 3G modem which worked fine on Windows .
Did it work fine on Linux ?
Of course not since the kernel did n't even support usb modems , or usb devices that switch modes .
So I spent hours rebuilding the kernel to include usbserial , and crafting scripts to flip the modem into modem mode , invoke wvdial etc .
I had basic working network connectivity even if it meant dropping to a shell to get stuff running .
Finally Ubuntu caught up with 3G so now I can use the network tool .
This is a major advance but it 's still very flakey , lacking signal strength info and dropping connections WAY more than Windows .
So 2 years after buying my 701 , one of the best dists is barely at parity with what Windows could have done out of the box .
You know how hard it is to get a 3G modem working on Windows ?
Plug it in , run the installer and you have 3G networking .
That " stale crap " makes using hardware a fairly painless exercise and represents the level of simplicity that Linux needs too .
As for Ubuntu &amp; Plasma , we 'll see when we actually start seeing netbooks that actually ship with them .
I have lot more faith in Ubuntu providing a netbook suitable experience than KDE .
Ubuntu ( and GNOME ) has a proven track record of putting usability front and center even if it comes up short supporting drivers .
KDE has never gotten usability , not even in 4.x which is a dogs dinner of simple &amp; advanced menus , toolbars &amp; settings all mixed together .
I have no faith that slapping some netbook skin on top will materially change things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's ridiculous.
What's Microsoft's presence in the netbook space?
Is it Vista?
Is it Win7, the much-ballyhooed "Linux netbook killer?
"

Currently its XP which is doing just fine clawing back market share from Linux, and soon it will be Windows 7 starter.
There is nothing ridiculous about it, it's a reality.
What is notable about both offerings is that they run fine on netbooks, provide a familiar experience and also work great with 3G modems and other attachments that people are likely to attach to them.
Microsoft badly screwed up with Vista's system requirements but even using XP as a stopgap proved to be sufficient to stop Linux making further inroads.
I know from bitter experience the sort of obstacles Linux throws up that don't even occur on Windows.
I started with an EeePC 701 running Asus' homebrew Linux.
The support was terrible, no doubt caused by using unionfs on the ssd - every patch actually gobbled up user storage space.
So I reinstalled with Ubuntu.
The first couple of iterations didn't even support the netbook's hardware but eventually I got a basic working netbook.
The pain didn't stop since I bought a 3G modem which worked fine on Windows.
Did it work fine on Linux?
Of course not since the kernel didn't even support usb modems, or usb devices that switch modes.
So I spent hours rebuilding the kernel to include usbserial, and crafting scripts to flip the modem into modem mode, invoke wvdial etc.
I had basic working network connectivity even if it meant dropping to a shell to get stuff running.
Finally Ubuntu caught up with 3G so now I can use the network tool.
This is a major advance but it's still very flakey, lacking signal strength info and dropping connections WAY more than Windows.
So 2 years after buying my 701, one of the best dists is barely at parity with what Windows could have done out of the box.
You know how hard it is to get a 3G modem working on Windows?
Plug it in, run the installer and you have 3G networking.
That "stale crap" makes using hardware a fairly painless exercise and represents the level of simplicity that Linux needs too.
As for Ubuntu &amp; Plasma, we'll see when we actually start seeing netbooks that actually ship with them.
I have lot more faith in Ubuntu providing a netbook suitable experience than KDE.
Ubuntu (and GNOME) has a proven track record of putting usability front and center even if it comes up short supporting drivers.
KDE has never gotten usability, not even in 4.x which is a dogs dinner of simple &amp; advanced menus, toolbars &amp; settings all mixed together.
I have no faith that slapping some netbook skin on top will materially change things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30423272</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260726480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Archos 5 internet tablet are running android<br>http://www.archos.com/products/imt/archos\_5it/index.html?country=en&amp;lang=en&amp;p=guidedtour</p><p>regards,<br>glyj</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Archos 5 internet tablet are running androidhttp : //www.archos.com/products/imt/archos \ _5it/index.html ? country = en&amp;lang = en&amp;p = guidedtourregards,glyj</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Archos 5 internet tablet are running androidhttp://www.archos.com/products/imt/archos\_5it/index.html?country=en&amp;lang=en&amp;p=guidedtourregards,glyj</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416242</id>
	<title>are there any arm netbooks available now?</title>
	<author>sucati</author>
	<datestamp>1260649560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>see subject</htmltext>
<tokenext>see subject</tokentext>
<sentencetext>see subject</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420046</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260639960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Microsoft ports the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET framework to ARM, many apps could run.  I don't think that's a total show stopper.  If anything, it might promote writing more apps in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET languages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Microsoft ports the .NET framework to ARM , many apps could run .
I do n't think that 's a total show stopper .
If anything , it might promote writing more apps in .NET languages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Microsoft ports the .NET framework to ARM, many apps could run.
I don't think that's a total show stopper.
If anything, it might promote writing more apps in .NET languages.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30421618</id>
	<title>Mandriva is not the same thing as Chrome..</title>
	<author>adpads</author>
	<datestamp>1260704160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The most important thing is going to be to get a full-fledged Linux desktop onto people's little ARM devices, with a Thunderbird they can configure and an OpenOffice they can run. If people have that they are going to use it, and then it's going to be fashionable.<br>The most important job belongs to Aaron Siego and Arnaud Lapr&#233;vote here - it's make-or-break to get a proper, usable Linux onto these devices, and not some flimsy excuse for an OS. If they can get a Linux into people's hands which they can use, they will!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The most important thing is going to be to get a full-fledged Linux desktop onto people 's little ARM devices , with a Thunderbird they can configure and an OpenOffice they can run .
If people have that they are going to use it , and then it 's going to be fashionable.The most important job belongs to Aaron Siego and Arnaud Lapr   vote here - it 's make-or-break to get a proper , usable Linux onto these devices , and not some flimsy excuse for an OS .
If they can get a Linux into people 's hands which they can use , they will !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The most important thing is going to be to get a full-fledged Linux desktop onto people's little ARM devices, with a Thunderbird they can configure and an OpenOffice they can run.
If people have that they are going to use it, and then it's going to be fashionable.The most important job belongs to Aaron Siego and Arnaud Laprévote here - it's make-or-break to get a proper, usable Linux onto these devices, and not some flimsy excuse for an OS.
If they can get a Linux into people's hands which they can use, they will!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30534760</id>
	<title>This is a no-brainer</title>
	<author>apexwm</author>
	<datestamp>1259766780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Linux should (hopefully) dominate on more lightweight hardware, like netbooks.  The reason is plain and simple: Windows is too bloated to run on these devices.  Microsoft has scammed its customers by stripping away features in Windows 7 Starter Edition to make it less bloated, but is allowing the purchase of another Windows Edition for a price.  Shameful.  You can count on any Linux distribution installed on a netbook to run efficiently, and be full featured.

<a href="http://members.apex-internet.com/sa/windowslinux" title="apex-internet.com" rel="nofollow">http://members.apex-internet.com/sa/windowslinux</a> [apex-internet.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux should ( hopefully ) dominate on more lightweight hardware , like netbooks .
The reason is plain and simple : Windows is too bloated to run on these devices .
Microsoft has scammed its customers by stripping away features in Windows 7 Starter Edition to make it less bloated , but is allowing the purchase of another Windows Edition for a price .
Shameful. You can count on any Linux distribution installed on a netbook to run efficiently , and be full featured .
http : //members.apex-internet.com/sa/windowslinux [ apex-internet.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux should (hopefully) dominate on more lightweight hardware, like netbooks.
The reason is plain and simple: Windows is too bloated to run on these devices.
Microsoft has scammed its customers by stripping away features in Windows 7 Starter Edition to make it less bloated, but is allowing the purchase of another Windows Edition for a price.
Shameful.  You can count on any Linux distribution installed on a netbook to run efficiently, and be full featured.
http://members.apex-internet.com/sa/windowslinux [apex-internet.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30451912</id>
	<title>Re:Forget about ARM</title>
	<author>Raptor851</author>
	<datestamp>1260880860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>well...why not make a minimal OS for it? assuming you use a pic32 it has a network stack built in already anyways, toss on a 802.11b chipset and an anteanna trace, add a SD card slot you can bitbang to/from, and buy a replacement nintendo DS screen for it, and you could build yourself a portable, wifi enabled, pic based, touchscreen terminal for under $200 that can run all year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>well...why not make a minimal OS for it ?
assuming you use a pic32 it has a network stack built in already anyways , toss on a 802.11b chipset and an anteanna trace , add a SD card slot you can bitbang to/from , and buy a replacement nintendo DS screen for it , and you could build yourself a portable , wifi enabled , pic based , touchscreen terminal for under $ 200 that can run all year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>well...why not make a minimal OS for it?
assuming you use a pic32 it has a network stack built in already anyways, toss on a 802.11b chipset and an anteanna trace, add a SD card slot you can bitbang to/from, and buy a replacement nintendo DS screen for it, and you could build yourself a portable, wifi enabled, pic based, touchscreen terminal for under $200 that can run all year.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30533356</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>WebCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1259785980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Please, direct me to a ARM-based Linux netbook I can buy from a store right now.</p></div><p>Better late than never...</p><p>Costco has had such netbooks in stock for some time, but they come with a craptacular pure-vanilla WinCE installation with a half-arsed attempt to make it useful with a handful of basic productivity software and low-quality games (it seems to be marketed as a toy for "tween" kids).</p><p>In Canada there is something called the "very personal computer" (VPC) a 7" netbook with a 400MHz embedded processor (I think it is ARM but could be MIPS--I'm 100 percent sure it isn't x86 based).  A Canadian company called "fidelity electronics" has them built in hong-kong.  It sells on Alibaba for US$135 currently, but is $199 retail from their website, but that isn't where I first saw it:  I discovered it at Zellers (a Canadian department store very similar to, but pre-dating and not affiliated with, Target in the US), and I've heard it has shown up at Canadian Tire (I've never seen a store exactly like Canadian Tire outside of Canada actually--their scrip, "Canadian Tire money", is part of our culture) but at an inflated price.  At Zellers it is on sale right now basically at cost: CA$139 if I recall.  That one most certainly DOES run Linux--nothing totally standard from what it appears but it could be Debian-based.  If I didn't have my HP Mini I'd have got it to check it out...</p><p>ARM and MIPS netbooks are all over Alibaba et al that "Support" both Linux and WinCE, and in N American retail they are making small inroads (as it gets harder to find Atom netbooks without Windows there seems to be an accompanying rise in the availability of ARM and MIPS cheapies, and as often (or more) than not they run Linux.  The stage is set for a watershed moment for such devices:  if a big-brand vendor, or several more "fidelity" sized outfits, pick up these cheap Chinese models and package/markets them appropriately they could establish themselves enough to worry MSFT.  Some things that are needed for success:</p><p>1) they need to be marketed honestly by all vendors:  Fidelity on their website seems to be honest but there is precious little information or knowledge at Zellers on the unit, not even a warning that it is not a Windows PC.  You'd think they'd learn from competitor Walmart about improper product support and marketing in this area</p><p>2) the hardware can come from China but don't let them do the software, documentation or retail packaging for the N American market.  I think an interface like Moblin2's would be ideal is given the right polish (I run Moblin 2.1 on my HP Mini and I think it is elegant enough to compete very well with Apple, but it IS still glitchy (once in a while an app will hard crash (but never had total system lock-up), I had to get my infamous Broadcom wireless going by putting in a blob-driver myself...).  The stuff is there to make a Linux netbook kick butt on WinCE or even the latest WinMo eye candy is already invented--it just needs to be factory tuned and installed.</p><p>3) don't try to be everything to everyone and don't be a "me-too" product--copy Apple's strategy NOT its design.  Apple "does its own thing"--its designs are not derivatives of anything.  Nothing like an iPod existed until after Apple designed it, and computers were all beige boxes until Apple cape up with something off-the-wall.  Despite the fact that Apple's hardware is often quite far below cutting-edge their elegant designs, brilliant marketing and polished user experience garner fierce loyalty and big profits.</p><p>Hey if one company can make billions on a bunch of product lines based on an open-source kernel that is incompatible with Windows then why not someone else?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Please , direct me to a ARM-based Linux netbook I can buy from a store right now.Better late than never...Costco has had such netbooks in stock for some time , but they come with a craptacular pure-vanilla WinCE installation with a half-arsed attempt to make it useful with a handful of basic productivity software and low-quality games ( it seems to be marketed as a toy for " tween " kids ) .In Canada there is something called the " very personal computer " ( VPC ) a 7 " netbook with a 400MHz embedded processor ( I think it is ARM but could be MIPS--I 'm 100 percent sure it is n't x86 based ) .
A Canadian company called " fidelity electronics " has them built in hong-kong .
It sells on Alibaba for US $ 135 currently , but is $ 199 retail from their website , but that is n't where I first saw it : I discovered it at Zellers ( a Canadian department store very similar to , but pre-dating and not affiliated with , Target in the US ) , and I 've heard it has shown up at Canadian Tire ( I 've never seen a store exactly like Canadian Tire outside of Canada actually--their scrip , " Canadian Tire money " , is part of our culture ) but at an inflated price .
At Zellers it is on sale right now basically at cost : CA $ 139 if I recall .
That one most certainly DOES run Linux--nothing totally standard from what it appears but it could be Debian-based .
If I did n't have my HP Mini I 'd have got it to check it out...ARM and MIPS netbooks are all over Alibaba et al that " Support " both Linux and WinCE , and in N American retail they are making small inroads ( as it gets harder to find Atom netbooks without Windows there seems to be an accompanying rise in the availability of ARM and MIPS cheapies , and as often ( or more ) than not they run Linux .
The stage is set for a watershed moment for such devices : if a big-brand vendor , or several more " fidelity " sized outfits , pick up these cheap Chinese models and package/markets them appropriately they could establish themselves enough to worry MSFT .
Some things that are needed for success : 1 ) they need to be marketed honestly by all vendors : Fidelity on their website seems to be honest but there is precious little information or knowledge at Zellers on the unit , not even a warning that it is not a Windows PC .
You 'd think they 'd learn from competitor Walmart about improper product support and marketing in this area2 ) the hardware can come from China but do n't let them do the software , documentation or retail packaging for the N American market .
I think an interface like Moblin2 's would be ideal is given the right polish ( I run Moblin 2.1 on my HP Mini and I think it is elegant enough to compete very well with Apple , but it IS still glitchy ( once in a while an app will hard crash ( but never had total system lock-up ) , I had to get my infamous Broadcom wireless going by putting in a blob-driver myself... ) .
The stuff is there to make a Linux netbook kick butt on WinCE or even the latest WinMo eye candy is already invented--it just needs to be factory tuned and installed.3 ) do n't try to be everything to everyone and do n't be a " me-too " product--copy Apple 's strategy NOT its design .
Apple " does its own thing " --its designs are not derivatives of anything .
Nothing like an iPod existed until after Apple designed it , and computers were all beige boxes until Apple cape up with something off-the-wall .
Despite the fact that Apple 's hardware is often quite far below cutting-edge their elegant designs , brilliant marketing and polished user experience garner fierce loyalty and big profits.Hey if one company can make billions on a bunch of product lines based on an open-source kernel that is incompatible with Windows then why not someone else ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please, direct me to a ARM-based Linux netbook I can buy from a store right now.Better late than never...Costco has had such netbooks in stock for some time, but they come with a craptacular pure-vanilla WinCE installation with a half-arsed attempt to make it useful with a handful of basic productivity software and low-quality games (it seems to be marketed as a toy for "tween" kids).In Canada there is something called the "very personal computer" (VPC) a 7" netbook with a 400MHz embedded processor (I think it is ARM but could be MIPS--I'm 100 percent sure it isn't x86 based).
A Canadian company called "fidelity electronics" has them built in hong-kong.
It sells on Alibaba for US$135 currently, but is $199 retail from their website, but that isn't where I first saw it:  I discovered it at Zellers (a Canadian department store very similar to, but pre-dating and not affiliated with, Target in the US), and I've heard it has shown up at Canadian Tire (I've never seen a store exactly like Canadian Tire outside of Canada actually--their scrip, "Canadian Tire money", is part of our culture) but at an inflated price.
At Zellers it is on sale right now basically at cost: CA$139 if I recall.
That one most certainly DOES run Linux--nothing totally standard from what it appears but it could be Debian-based.
If I didn't have my HP Mini I'd have got it to check it out...ARM and MIPS netbooks are all over Alibaba et al that "Support" both Linux and WinCE, and in N American retail they are making small inroads (as it gets harder to find Atom netbooks without Windows there seems to be an accompanying rise in the availability of ARM and MIPS cheapies, and as often (or more) than not they run Linux.
The stage is set for a watershed moment for such devices:  if a big-brand vendor, or several more "fidelity" sized outfits, pick up these cheap Chinese models and package/markets them appropriately they could establish themselves enough to worry MSFT.
Some things that are needed for success:1) they need to be marketed honestly by all vendors:  Fidelity on their website seems to be honest but there is precious little information or knowledge at Zellers on the unit, not even a warning that it is not a Windows PC.
You'd think they'd learn from competitor Walmart about improper product support and marketing in this area2) the hardware can come from China but don't let them do the software, documentation or retail packaging for the N American market.
I think an interface like Moblin2's would be ideal is given the right polish (I run Moblin 2.1 on my HP Mini and I think it is elegant enough to compete very well with Apple, but it IS still glitchy (once in a while an app will hard crash (but never had total system lock-up), I had to get my infamous Broadcom wireless going by putting in a blob-driver myself...).
The stuff is there to make a Linux netbook kick butt on WinCE or even the latest WinMo eye candy is already invented--it just needs to be factory tuned and installed.3) don't try to be everything to everyone and don't be a "me-too" product--copy Apple's strategy NOT its design.
Apple "does its own thing"--its designs are not derivatives of anything.
Nothing like an iPod existed until after Apple designed it, and computers were all beige boxes until Apple cape up with something off-the-wall.
Despite the fact that Apple's hardware is often quite far below cutting-edge their elegant designs, brilliant marketing and polished user experience garner fierce loyalty and big profits.Hey if one company can make billions on a bunch of product lines based on an open-source kernel that is incompatible with Windows then why not someone else?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30421200</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>JohnBailey</author>
	<datestamp>1260696420000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Here's one (and I have the SmartQ7 model): <a href="http://www.smartdevices.com.cn/" title="smartdevices.com.cn">http://www.smartdevices.com.cn/</a> [smartdevices.com.cn]

Nice and cheap.</p></div><p>And if these get blister packed as MID/PDA/PMP devices for around $/&pound;100 they will fly of the shelves.

I'd happily pay about &pound;150-200 for the model you linked to based on the assumption of it being a pocket sized competent media player with a few extra features. Even if the OS was in ROM..</p></div>
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<tokenext>Here 's one ( and I have the SmartQ7 model ) : http : //www.smartdevices.com.cn/ [ smartdevices.com.cn ] Nice and cheap.And if these get blister packed as MID/PDA/PMP devices for around $ /   100 they will fly of the shelves .
I 'd happily pay about   150-200 for the model you linked to based on the assumption of it being a pocket sized competent media player with a few extra features .
Even if the OS was in ROM. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's one (and I have the SmartQ7 model): http://www.smartdevices.com.cn/ [smartdevices.com.cn]

Nice and cheap.And if these get blister packed as MID/PDA/PMP devices for around $/£100 they will fly of the shelves.
I'd happily pay about £150-200 for the model you linked to based on the assumption of it being a pocket sized competent media player with a few extra features.
Even if the OS was in ROM..
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30421864</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>supernova\_hq</author>
	<datestamp>1260708600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did you seriously just point out minor flaws in linux, then flaunt windows as a shined and polished alternative???</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you seriously just point out minor flaws in linux , then flaunt windows as a shined and polished alternative ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you seriously just point out minor flaws in linux, then flaunt windows as a shined and polished alternative??
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420396</id>
	<title>Re:As long as I can run the apps I want, cool.</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1260643260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As long as I can run the apps I want, cool.</p> </div><p>Considering the trend set by Chrome OS, it seems that the way it'll be is, "any customer can have an any application on his netbook, so long as it's a browser".</p></div>
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<tokenext>As long as I can run the apps I want , cool .
Considering the trend set by Chrome OS , it seems that the way it 'll be is , " any customer can have an any application on his netbook , so long as it 's a browser " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as I can run the apps I want, cool.
Considering the trend set by Chrome OS, it seems that the way it'll be is, "any customer can have an any application on his netbook, so long as it's a browser".
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420922</id>
	<title>Re:Chrome OS</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1260735240000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, but it will be different.</p><p>When loading full distro on those ARM netbooks, a very cheap machine will get full featured OS. An OS that this time doesn't have the alternative to which people are used to...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , but it will be different.When loading full distro on those ARM netbooks , a very cheap machine will get full featured OS .
An OS that this time does n't have the alternative to which people are used to.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, but it will be different.When loading full distro on those ARM netbooks, a very cheap machine will get full featured OS.
An OS that this time doesn't have the alternative to which people are used to...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416330</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260650040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The question is whether ARM-based netbooks will sell at all. It doesn't really matter what OS a netbook is running. Nobody buys any kind of computer to run an OS. They buy computers to run apps. You can argue all you want that Mac OS X is more elegant than Windows, or whatever -- but if you couldn't get a word processor for it, nobody would use it.</p></div><p>"<i>This archive contains 27841 software packages.</i>" Yup, there's clearly no software available for ARM. (That's from the Ubuntu Karmic ARM port -- Debian also has a port and I'm sure some smaller distros do also have one).</p><p>Porting is not (typically) a problem for open source software.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The question is whether ARM-based netbooks will sell at all .
It does n't really matter what OS a netbook is running .
Nobody buys any kind of computer to run an OS .
They buy computers to run apps .
You can argue all you want that Mac OS X is more elegant than Windows , or whatever -- but if you could n't get a word processor for it , nobody would use it .
" This archive contains 27841 software packages .
" Yup , there 's clearly no software available for ARM .
( That 's from the Ubuntu Karmic ARM port -- Debian also has a port and I 'm sure some smaller distros do also have one ) .Porting is not ( typically ) a problem for open source software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question is whether ARM-based netbooks will sell at all.
It doesn't really matter what OS a netbook is running.
Nobody buys any kind of computer to run an OS.
They buy computers to run apps.
You can argue all you want that Mac OS X is more elegant than Windows, or whatever -- but if you couldn't get a word processor for it, nobody would use it.
"This archive contains 27841 software packages.
" Yup, there's clearly no software available for ARM.
(That's from the Ubuntu Karmic ARM port -- Debian also has a port and I'm sure some smaller distros do also have one).Porting is not (typically) a problem for open source software.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415568</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>omar.sahal</author>
	<datestamp>1260644580000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The question is whether ARM-based netbooks will sell at all</p></div></blockquote><p>
They well could do. As I said below 2008 showed that if a laptop is cheap enough it will sell. I don't know about Google's approach, it would get some kid on facebook , so for many it would be good enough. <br>
I hope they do well, then every other company will come out with there own Linux offering.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The question is whether ARM-based netbooks will sell at all They well could do .
As I said below 2008 showed that if a laptop is cheap enough it will sell .
I do n't know about Google 's approach , it would get some kid on facebook , so for many it would be good enough .
I hope they do well , then every other company will come out with there own Linux offering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question is whether ARM-based netbooks will sell at all
They well could do.
As I said below 2008 showed that if a laptop is cheap enough it will sell.
I don't know about Google's approach, it would get some kid on facebook , so for many it would be good enough.
I hope they do well, then every other company will come out with there own Linux offering.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415826</id>
	<title>An atheist thanks the gods</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260646140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For my amd64 higher-res netbook, since my 17" HD Turion 2-core lap failed dead this week. As for me, testing distros, nothing will replace my sidux. If it's not 64-bit, it's s***. Let's see something that fits in a hand, can read a like a paperback book, works as a phone, connects to any network anywhere, has connectors for all my old-school devices, and takes astrophotos through my telescope. And doesn't cost a defense budget.</p><p>Get it done or you're not engineers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For my amd64 higher-res netbook , since my 17 " HD Turion 2-core lap failed dead this week .
As for me , testing distros , nothing will replace my sidux .
If it 's not 64-bit , it 's s * * * .
Let 's see something that fits in a hand , can read a like a paperback book , works as a phone , connects to any network anywhere , has connectors for all my old-school devices , and takes astrophotos through my telescope .
And does n't cost a defense budget.Get it done or you 're not engineers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For my amd64 higher-res netbook, since my 17" HD Turion 2-core lap failed dead this week.
As for me, testing distros, nothing will replace my sidux.
If it's not 64-bit, it's s***.
Let's see something that fits in a hand, can read a like a paperback book, works as a phone, connects to any network anywhere, has connectors for all my old-school devices, and takes astrophotos through my telescope.
And doesn't cost a defense budget.Get it done or you're not engineers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416548</id>
	<title>MS will push WinCE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260651240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How this will go over is unsure since CE doesn't run Wintel is anyone's guess.</p><p>Menards had wince arm netbooks on black friday.  I  would have bought one if it ran linux.</p><p>OEMs want to push kit not software.</p><p>Branding a netbook 'android' may change things since people will have heard about the droid by the time this theses reach market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How this will go over is unsure since CE does n't run Wintel is anyone 's guess.Menards had wince arm netbooks on black friday .
I would have bought one if it ran linux.OEMs want to push kit not software.Branding a netbook 'android ' may change things since people will have heard about the droid by the time this theses reach market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How this will go over is unsure since CE doesn't run Wintel is anyone's guess.Menards had wince arm netbooks on black friday.
I  would have bought one if it ran linux.OEMs want to push kit not software.Branding a netbook 'android' may change things since people will have heard about the droid by the time this theses reach market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416874</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260610140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>always innovating touchbook</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>always innovating touchbook</tokentext>
<sentencetext>always innovating touchbook</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30421912</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260709560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Porting is not (typically) a problem for open source software.</p></div><p>So If I slap GPL/BSD/etc on my code and give it away, it becomes magically portable?</p><p>No? Then what? Code written with portability in mind is portable? Nice wisdom there..</p><p>Cmon, lets see the penguin dance ! dance for me !</p></div>
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<tokenext>Porting is not ( typically ) a problem for open source software.So If I slap GPL/BSD/etc on my code and give it away , it becomes magically portable ? No ?
Then what ?
Code written with portability in mind is portable ?
Nice wisdom there..Cmon , lets see the penguin dance !
dance for me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Porting is not (typically) a problem for open source software.So If I slap GPL/BSD/etc on my code and give it away, it becomes magically portable?No?
Then what?
Code written with portability in mind is portable?
Nice wisdom there..Cmon, lets see the penguin dance !
dance for me !
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415194</id>
	<title>I am french as well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260642480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do I also have such a shitty english?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do I also have such a shitty english ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do I also have such a shitty english?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418332</id>
	<title>Re:ARM-Powered Laptops To Increase Linux Market Sh</title>
	<author>Dusty101</author>
	<datestamp>1260621420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One thing to ask your self is would Apple (or other unnamed companies operating in the OS space)<br>allow such a case of the above screen flickering, or would it be dealt with even if the X server had to be replaced (if that is the problem)</p></div><p>Actually, yes they would:</p><p><a href="http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727\_7-10329627-263.html" title="cnet.com" rel="nofollow">http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727\_7-10329627-263.html</a> [cnet.com]</p><p>(Caveat: This has been fixed now. I mention this, though, because it drove me nuts on my unibody MacBook Pro for a good while).</p></div>
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<tokenext>One thing to ask your self is would Apple ( or other unnamed companies operating in the OS space ) allow such a case of the above screen flickering , or would it be dealt with even if the X server had to be replaced ( if that is the problem ) Actually , yes they would : http : //reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727 \ _7-10329627-263.html [ cnet.com ] ( Caveat : This has been fixed now .
I mention this , though , because it drove me nuts on my unibody MacBook Pro for a good while ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing to ask your self is would Apple (or other unnamed companies operating in the OS space)allow such a case of the above screen flickering, or would it be dealt with even if the X server had to be replaced (if that is the problem)Actually, yes they would:http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727\_7-10329627-263.html [cnet.com](Caveat: This has been fixed now.
I mention this, though, because it drove me nuts on my unibody MacBook Pro for a good while).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420362</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1260642840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think you're missing a very, very big point here, and that is that even if there is a Windows 7 port to ARM, those people would still not be able to play their existing games, or use their existing apps, because those games and apps were written for x86 architectures.</p></div><p>Not written, compiled.</p><p>If writing Windows applications for ARM will be as simple as a recompile (and there's no reason to believe it won't - it's already the case between x86/x86/IA64 on Windows, and Microsoft already has VC++ targetting ARM and other platforms - think WinCE, XBox, etc), then you'll get tons of existing Windows applications ported in no time. Basically everything that is still being actively developed. Possibly some older popular games would be recompiled and re-sold as "netbook editions" as well (I find it hard to believe companies would skip the obvious ability to profit here).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you 're missing a very , very big point here , and that is that even if there is a Windows 7 port to ARM , those people would still not be able to play their existing games , or use their existing apps , because those games and apps were written for x86 architectures.Not written , compiled.If writing Windows applications for ARM will be as simple as a recompile ( and there 's no reason to believe it wo n't - it 's already the case between x86/x86/IA64 on Windows , and Microsoft already has VC + + targetting ARM and other platforms - think WinCE , XBox , etc ) , then you 'll get tons of existing Windows applications ported in no time .
Basically everything that is still being actively developed .
Possibly some older popular games would be recompiled and re-sold as " netbook editions " as well ( I find it hard to believe companies would skip the obvious ability to profit here ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you're missing a very, very big point here, and that is that even if there is a Windows 7 port to ARM, those people would still not be able to play their existing games, or use their existing apps, because those games and apps were written for x86 architectures.Not written, compiled.If writing Windows applications for ARM will be as simple as a recompile (and there's no reason to believe it won't - it's already the case between x86/x86/IA64 on Windows, and Microsoft already has VC++ targetting ARM and other platforms - think WinCE, XBox, etc), then you'll get tons of existing Windows applications ported in no time.
Basically everything that is still being actively developed.
Possibly some older popular games would be recompiled and re-sold as "netbook editions" as well (I find it hard to believe companies would skip the obvious ability to profit here).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418800</id>
	<title>Re:ARM slow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260627180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And nobody will argue, that having the choice is a bad thing.</p> </div><p> Wrong! I will, but only because I'm perpetually wound up about Choice and Competition generally being the end of all problems. There's a flip side of it:  Choice is a bad thing if you don't have the resources to deal with increased complexity. More choice means more alternatives, and each alternative - by being an alternative an hence has some degree of uniqueness - come with a need of individual attention at each of its aspects: design, build, maintenance, review, handling, promotion, repair, documentation, etc. </p><p>Lack of choice is a feature. It's called <i>common ground</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And nobody will argue , that having the choice is a bad thing .
Wrong ! I will , but only because I 'm perpetually wound up about Choice and Competition generally being the end of all problems .
There 's a flip side of it : Choice is a bad thing if you do n't have the resources to deal with increased complexity .
More choice means more alternatives , and each alternative - by being an alternative an hence has some degree of uniqueness - come with a need of individual attention at each of its aspects : design , build , maintenance , review , handling , promotion , repair , documentation , etc .
Lack of choice is a feature .
It 's called common ground .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And nobody will argue, that having the choice is a bad thing.
Wrong! I will, but only because I'm perpetually wound up about Choice and Competition generally being the end of all problems.
There's a flip side of it:  Choice is a bad thing if you don't have the resources to deal with increased complexity.
More choice means more alternatives, and each alternative - by being an alternative an hence has some degree of uniqueness - come with a need of individual attention at each of its aspects: design, build, maintenance, review, handling, promotion, repair, documentation, etc.
Lack of choice is a feature.
It's called common ground.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415674</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260645240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's another: <a href="http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/" title="alwaysinnovating.com" rel="nofollow">Touch Book</a> [alwaysinnovating.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's another : Touch Book [ alwaysinnovating.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's another: Touch Book [alwaysinnovating.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415464</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Eluan</author>
	<datestamp>1260644040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I remember seeing some ARM netbooks in one of those china importers, but (surprise) it ran Windows CE by default!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember seeing some ARM netbooks in one of those china importers , but ( surprise ) it ran Windows CE by default !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember seeing some ARM netbooks in one of those china importers, but (surprise) it ran Windows CE by default!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30417226</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Thelasko</author>
	<datestamp>1260612300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5472189&amp;SRCCODE=GOOGLEBASE&amp;cm\_mmc\_o=VRqCjC7BBTkwCjCECjCE" title="tigerdirect.com">Here's another.</a> [tigerdirect.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's another .
[ tigerdirect.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's another.
[tigerdirect.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415526</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415576</id>
	<title>Arm powered?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260644580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After spending all that time learning to touch-type, now we're supposed to operate a computer with one arm while powering it with the other arm???</p><p>Oh, wait...</p><p>Never mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After spending all that time learning to touch-type , now we 're supposed to operate a computer with one arm while powering it with the other arm ? ?
? Oh , wait...Never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After spending all that time learning to touch-type, now we're supposed to operate a computer with one arm while powering it with the other arm??
?Oh, wait...Never mind.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30419076</id>
	<title>Re:ARM slow</title>
	<author>uassholes</author>
	<datestamp>1260631200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What was the session/window manager?   If gnome then I'm not surprised at how slow.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What was the session/window manager ?
If gnome then I 'm not surprised at how slow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What was the session/window manager?
If gnome then I'm not surprised at how slow.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415450</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416316</id>
	<title>Re:What about our software freedom?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1260649920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are most certainly wrong here. From what I heard, they will use nVidia Terga GPUs, for which it will be pretty easy to have a driver.<br>Besides: What is all that talk about &ldquo;software freedom&rdquo;? It&rsquo;s just a driver. If you really thought that to the end, you would have to only use <em>hardware</em> with all the specs available! And which are buildable with openly available tools, whose specs are available too, etc, etc, etc. Basically the ability do dig stuff out of the earth, to build machines with it, that build machines, that build your laptop, where you can put your free software on.</p><p>Everything else is just ignorance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are most certainly wrong here .
From what I heard , they will use nVidia Terga GPUs , for which it will be pretty easy to have a driver.Besides : What is all that talk about    software freedom    ?
It    s just a driver .
If you really thought that to the end , you would have to only use hardware with all the specs available !
And which are buildable with openly available tools , whose specs are available too , etc , etc , etc .
Basically the ability do dig stuff out of the earth , to build machines with it , that build machines , that build your laptop , where you can put your free software on.Everything else is just ignorance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are most certainly wrong here.
From what I heard, they will use nVidia Terga GPUs, for which it will be pretty easy to have a driver.Besides: What is all that talk about “software freedom”?
It’s just a driver.
If you really thought that to the end, you would have to only use hardware with all the specs available!
And which are buildable with openly available tools, whose specs are available too, etc, etc, etc.
Basically the ability do dig stuff out of the earth, to build machines with it, that build machines, that build your laptop, where you can put your free software on.Everything else is just ignorance.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415490</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415454</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260643980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Archos 5 Internet Tablet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Archos 5 Internet Tablet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Archos 5 Internet Tablet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415328</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418462</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>simplerThanPossible</author>
	<datestamp>1260622920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ubuntu is already available for ARM processors.</p><p>So, if linux has already been very popular on netbooks, since Ubuntu is one of (if not) the friendliest linuxes, then the OS will be no more a barrier to adoption than it was for netbooks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu is already available for ARM processors.So , if linux has already been very popular on netbooks , since Ubuntu is one of ( if not ) the friendliest linuxes , then the OS will be no more a barrier to adoption than it was for netbooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu is already available for ARM processors.So, if linux has already been very popular on netbooks, since Ubuntu is one of (if not) the friendliest linuxes, then the OS will be no more a barrier to adoption than it was for netbooks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415314</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416352</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260650160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd say it'll have a niche, I just wouldn't count on it being a really huge one, or it being their "main" PC by any stretch. I for one would pay less than $100 for one, just to have a little laptop to surf when I'm at the doctor's office, but I doubt I would get on the thing more than an hour a week, if at that. But most guys here seem to act like if the ordinary folks were just exposed to Linux, or that if you can find the perfect "Average Joe" distro, that suddenly Windows would find itself on the ropes. But it ain't the OS, hell working PC repair since the days of Win 3.x I can say that most folks don't know WHAT OS they are running, it is the little programs I call the "gottas".</p><p>You see every average Joe and Jane I've worked for has had 1 or more programs that according to them they "gotta have", period. And they ain't gonna care how pretty or secure your OS is if it can't run the "gotta", well it just ain't gonna be real useful to them. Like the retired graphic artist down the hall, who even though he has a nice new AMD XP box I built, had to be taught by me how to use a KVM switch and have me build him a NOS 1.5GHz Win2K box because his new AMD wouldn't run his "gotta", Macromedia Xres. The girl whose PC I just fixed brought her camera software, which turns out she has carried over through 3 cameras now, because that software is <em>her</em> "gotta".</p><p>

So you see it isn't that Linux is bad, or that folks just need to be exposed, it is the "gotta have" software that keeps folks in Windows. A lot of my customers are looking at either sticking with XP or getting Windows 7 Pro simply because their "gotta" won't run on Windows 7 without XP mode, and without their "gotta" it just isn't that useful to them. So while I'm sure it will sell some to guys like me that know what ARM is and just want something cheap, I don't know how well that will translate to Joe and Jane. I have a feeling that they are gonna have to warn folks at retail or have a lot of these things get returned when folks that don't know about anything but Windows, which there is quite a few of those, believe me, try to install their "gotta" and find that Windows x86 don't run on Linux ARM. And if they lock it down with Chrome I don't think even I'd take it. I want to choose what apps I have and have the option to change distro, thanks anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd say it 'll have a niche , I just would n't count on it being a really huge one , or it being their " main " PC by any stretch .
I for one would pay less than $ 100 for one , just to have a little laptop to surf when I 'm at the doctor 's office , but I doubt I would get on the thing more than an hour a week , if at that .
But most guys here seem to act like if the ordinary folks were just exposed to Linux , or that if you can find the perfect " Average Joe " distro , that suddenly Windows would find itself on the ropes .
But it ai n't the OS , hell working PC repair since the days of Win 3.x I can say that most folks do n't know WHAT OS they are running , it is the little programs I call the " gottas " .You see every average Joe and Jane I 've worked for has had 1 or more programs that according to them they " got ta have " , period .
And they ai n't gon na care how pretty or secure your OS is if it ca n't run the " got ta " , well it just ai n't gon na be real useful to them .
Like the retired graphic artist down the hall , who even though he has a nice new AMD XP box I built , had to be taught by me how to use a KVM switch and have me build him a NOS 1.5GHz Win2K box because his new AMD would n't run his " got ta " , Macromedia Xres .
The girl whose PC I just fixed brought her camera software , which turns out she has carried over through 3 cameras now , because that software is her " got ta " .
So you see it is n't that Linux is bad , or that folks just need to be exposed , it is the " got ta have " software that keeps folks in Windows .
A lot of my customers are looking at either sticking with XP or getting Windows 7 Pro simply because their " got ta " wo n't run on Windows 7 without XP mode , and without their " got ta " it just is n't that useful to them .
So while I 'm sure it will sell some to guys like me that know what ARM is and just want something cheap , I do n't know how well that will translate to Joe and Jane .
I have a feeling that they are gon na have to warn folks at retail or have a lot of these things get returned when folks that do n't know about anything but Windows , which there is quite a few of those , believe me , try to install their " got ta " and find that Windows x86 do n't run on Linux ARM .
And if they lock it down with Chrome I do n't think even I 'd take it .
I want to choose what apps I have and have the option to change distro , thanks anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd say it'll have a niche, I just wouldn't count on it being a really huge one, or it being their "main" PC by any stretch.
I for one would pay less than $100 for one, just to have a little laptop to surf when I'm at the doctor's office, but I doubt I would get on the thing more than an hour a week, if at that.
But most guys here seem to act like if the ordinary folks were just exposed to Linux, or that if you can find the perfect "Average Joe" distro, that suddenly Windows would find itself on the ropes.
But it ain't the OS, hell working PC repair since the days of Win 3.x I can say that most folks don't know WHAT OS they are running, it is the little programs I call the "gottas".You see every average Joe and Jane I've worked for has had 1 or more programs that according to them they "gotta have", period.
And they ain't gonna care how pretty or secure your OS is if it can't run the "gotta", well it just ain't gonna be real useful to them.
Like the retired graphic artist down the hall, who even though he has a nice new AMD XP box I built, had to be taught by me how to use a KVM switch and have me build him a NOS 1.5GHz Win2K box because his new AMD wouldn't run his "gotta", Macromedia Xres.
The girl whose PC I just fixed brought her camera software, which turns out she has carried over through 3 cameras now, because that software is her "gotta".
So you see it isn't that Linux is bad, or that folks just need to be exposed, it is the "gotta have" software that keeps folks in Windows.
A lot of my customers are looking at either sticking with XP or getting Windows 7 Pro simply because their "gotta" won't run on Windows 7 without XP mode, and without their "gotta" it just isn't that useful to them.
So while I'm sure it will sell some to guys like me that know what ARM is and just want something cheap, I don't know how well that will translate to Joe and Jane.
I have a feeling that they are gonna have to warn folks at retail or have a lot of these things get returned when folks that don't know about anything but Windows, which there is quite a few of those, believe me, try to install their "gotta" and find that Windows x86 don't run on Linux ARM.
And if they lock it down with Chrome I don't think even I'd take it.
I want to choose what apps I have and have the option to change distro, thanks anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30423036</id>
	<title>ARM-based media PCs?</title>
	<author>RichiH</author>
	<datestamp>1260724260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want something ARM-based that can do 1080p, has decent networking, a SATA port.</p><p>Ideally, I could throw Debian onto it, but that is not a hard need.</p><p>While being able to get DVB-T out of the box and a pretty GUI would be nice, I have no problem calling MPlayer from the command line, either.</p><p>Does something like that exist?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want something ARM-based that can do 1080p , has decent networking , a SATA port.Ideally , I could throw Debian onto it , but that is not a hard need.While being able to get DVB-T out of the box and a pretty GUI would be nice , I have no problem calling MPlayer from the command line , either.Does something like that exist ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want something ARM-based that can do 1080p, has decent networking, a SATA port.Ideally, I could throw Debian onto it, but that is not a hard need.While being able to get DVB-T out of the box and a pretty GUI would be nice, I have no problem calling MPlayer from the command line, either.Does something like that exist?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420420</id>
	<title>Re:Twist your ARM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260643440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do you want compiz? Without compiz my aspire one runs KDE 4.3.2 with desktop effects with Konsole, Kate, Konqueror, Firefox, Kontact and minicom all running at the same time, quite responsively.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you want compiz ?
Without compiz my aspire one runs KDE 4.3.2 with desktop effects with Konsole , Kate , Konqueror , Firefox , Kontact and minicom all running at the same time , quite responsively .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you want compiz?
Without compiz my aspire one runs KDE 4.3.2 with desktop effects with Konsole, Kate, Konqueror, Firefox, Kontact and minicom all running at the same time, quite responsively.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420370</id>
	<title>The "os==nothing, apps==all" meme is dangerous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260643020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe, just maybe Microsoft is hoping to gently force app providers to just deliver apps done with Microsoft frameworks (C#, what not). The others will be slowly left behind.</p><p>This might be a big chance to shake out "all too independent" app providers.</p><p>Remember Asimov's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Evitable\_Conflict" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">The Evitable Conflict</a> [wikipedia.org]?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe , just maybe Microsoft is hoping to gently force app providers to just deliver apps done with Microsoft frameworks ( C # , what not ) .
The others will be slowly left behind.This might be a big chance to shake out " all too independent " app providers.Remember Asimov 's The Evitable Conflict [ wikipedia.org ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe, just maybe Microsoft is hoping to gently force app providers to just deliver apps done with Microsoft frameworks (C#, what not).
The others will be slowly left behind.This might be a big chance to shake out "all too independent" app providers.Remember Asimov's The Evitable Conflict [wikipedia.org]?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30450574</id>
	<title>The tool is everything, the apps are indeterminate</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260874620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which is the advantage of it starting as a specific appliance. When Alice doesn't have to wait to get to her desk to write that letter to Bob, her skill in writing on that 'inconvenient' piece of equipment increase. I never expected texting to take off, but some have acquired the skill  to use a 12-character pad with surprising speed.</p><p>People "think" they need Windows because that's all they're familiar with. However, people can adapt*.</p><p>*Maybe one day I'll no longer get the 8 word emails of: "Hey, would you look at this? Document attached." Where the document is exclusively text.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is the advantage of it starting as a specific appliance .
When Alice does n't have to wait to get to her desk to write that letter to Bob , her skill in writing on that 'inconvenient ' piece of equipment increase .
I never expected texting to take off , but some have acquired the skill to use a 12-character pad with surprising speed.People " think " they need Windows because that 's all they 're familiar with .
However , people can adapt * .
* Maybe one day I 'll no longer get the 8 word emails of : " Hey , would you look at this ?
Document attached .
" Where the document is exclusively text .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is the advantage of it starting as a specific appliance.
When Alice doesn't have to wait to get to her desk to write that letter to Bob, her skill in writing on that 'inconvenient' piece of equipment increase.
I never expected texting to take off, but some have acquired the skill  to use a 12-character pad with surprising speed.People "think" they need Windows because that's all they're familiar with.
However, people can adapt*.
*Maybe one day I'll no longer get the 8 word emails of: "Hey, would you look at this?
Document attached.
" Where the document is exclusively text.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418528</id>
	<title>Get That!</title>
	<author>Xamusk</author>
	<datestamp>1260623520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Get that OLPC!
<br> <br>
Finally a true sub-$100 "laptop". One which is not vaporware like the OLPC.
<br> <br>
Yes, I know there are real OLPCs out there, but until I can get my hands on one, it's still vapor as far as I can tell.
<br> <br>
By the way, not making the OLPC available for anyone but governments to buy was one (among many) of the biggest mistakes you did. You simply closed yourself to your own community.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get that OLPC !
Finally a true sub- $ 100 " laptop " .
One which is not vaporware like the OLPC .
Yes , I know there are real OLPCs out there , but until I can get my hands on one , it 's still vapor as far as I can tell .
By the way , not making the OLPC available for anyone but governments to buy was one ( among many ) of the biggest mistakes you did .
You simply closed yourself to your own community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get that OLPC!
Finally a true sub-$100 "laptop".
One which is not vaporware like the OLPC.
Yes, I know there are real OLPCs out there, but until I can get my hands on one, it's still vapor as far as I can tell.
By the way, not making the OLPC available for anyone but governments to buy was one (among many) of the biggest mistakes you did.
You simply closed yourself to your own community.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418406</id>
	<title>Re:ARM-Powered Laptops To Increase Linux Market Sh</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1260622140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>``One thing to ask your self is would Apple (or other unnamed companies operating in the OS space) allow such a case of the above screen flickering, or would it be dealt with even if the X server had to be replaced (if that is the problem)''</p><p>Don't know the flicker you're referring to, but I've owned Apple computers whose screens flickered on startup, and Windows at least used to do that, too (haven't seen versions after ~2001).</p><p>Does that answer your question?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>` ` One thing to ask your self is would Apple ( or other unnamed companies operating in the OS space ) allow such a case of the above screen flickering , or would it be dealt with even if the X server had to be replaced ( if that is the problem ) ''Do n't know the flicker you 're referring to , but I 've owned Apple computers whose screens flickered on startup , and Windows at least used to do that , too ( have n't seen versions after ~ 2001 ) .Does that answer your question ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>``One thing to ask your self is would Apple (or other unnamed companies operating in the OS space) allow such a case of the above screen flickering, or would it be dealt with even if the X server had to be replaced (if that is the problem)''Don't know the flicker you're referring to, but I've owned Apple computers whose screens flickered on startup, and Windows at least used to do that, too (haven't seen versions after ~2001).Does that answer your question?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420822</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>Risen888</author>
	<datestamp>1260647400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>it is the little programs I call the "gottas".</i></p><p>That stuff fades. It's ephemeral. I used to "gotta have" WordPerfect 6.</p><p>No, seriously. Listen. We're give-or-take 25 years into the "PC era." In that eyeblink of time, the applications we've run, the capabilities they've had, and the platforms that they've run on have changed more times than I can name in one paragraph. No one over the age of 25 was "born using Windows."</p><p>The software monoculture that we are living in now is an historical anomaly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it is the little programs I call the " gottas " .That stuff fades .
It 's ephemeral .
I used to " got ta have " WordPerfect 6.No , seriously .
Listen. We 're give-or-take 25 years into the " PC era .
" In that eyeblink of time , the applications we 've run , the capabilities they 've had , and the platforms that they 've run on have changed more times than I can name in one paragraph .
No one over the age of 25 was " born using Windows .
" The software monoculture that we are living in now is an historical anomaly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it is the little programs I call the "gottas".That stuff fades.
It's ephemeral.
I used to "gotta have" WordPerfect 6.No, seriously.
Listen. We're give-or-take 25 years into the "PC era.
" In that eyeblink of time, the applications we've run, the capabilities they've had, and the platforms that they've run on have changed more times than I can name in one paragraph.
No one over the age of 25 was "born using Windows.
"The software monoculture that we are living in now is an historical anomaly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415192</id>
	<title>ARM-Powered Laptops To Increase Linux Market Share</title>
	<author>omar.sahal</author>
	<datestamp>1260642420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like I heard some kids say last year, I would rather have a crap laptop with the internet than a nice laptop without (said about a Christmas present last year that was a disappointment)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like I heard some kids say last year , I would rather have a crap laptop with the internet than a nice laptop without ( said about a Christmas present last year that was a disappointment )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like I heard some kids say last year, I would rather have a crap laptop with the internet than a nice laptop without (said about a Christmas present last year that was a disappointment)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418844</id>
	<title>I'll rush and buy one!</title>
	<author>udippel</author>
	<datestamp>1260627780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course. That's what I have been waiting for since the first rumours crept up around a year ago.<br>My Acer Aspire One running some version of Linux is my everyday companion. Too small a screen and keyboard for long working hours, but phantastic to just jug it in my bag and carry it wherever I go, including doing presentations, conferences, reading mail, while on the go.<br>I understand, if there was some ARM at a similar level of performance, it'd be cheaper, consume less power, and run Linux (e.g. Debian) just as well.</p><p>If I'm wrong, correct me.<br>If I'm right, tell me where I can queue up and buy one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course .
That 's what I have been waiting for since the first rumours crept up around a year ago.My Acer Aspire One running some version of Linux is my everyday companion .
Too small a screen and keyboard for long working hours , but phantastic to just jug it in my bag and carry it wherever I go , including doing presentations , conferences , reading mail , while on the go.I understand , if there was some ARM at a similar level of performance , it 'd be cheaper , consume less power , and run Linux ( e.g .
Debian ) just as well.If I 'm wrong , correct me.If I 'm right , tell me where I can queue up and buy one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course.
That's what I have been waiting for since the first rumours crept up around a year ago.My Acer Aspire One running some version of Linux is my everyday companion.
Too small a screen and keyboard for long working hours, but phantastic to just jug it in my bag and carry it wherever I go, including doing presentations, conferences, reading mail, while on the go.I understand, if there was some ARM at a similar level of performance, it'd be cheaper, consume less power, and run Linux (e.g.
Debian) just as well.If I'm wrong, correct me.If I'm right, tell me where I can queue up and buy one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420496</id>
	<title>So what...</title>
	<author>voss</author>
	<datestamp>1260644040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The target audience of Chrome OS isnt people who own macbooks or play pc games.</p><p>The target audience is people who use gmail or yahoo mail and play<br>
&nbsp; flash games and want a cheap and cheerful internet station.</p><p>Its like trying to sell BMW and Lexus owners a Vespa. Of course they dont need it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The target audience of Chrome OS isnt people who own macbooks or play pc games.The target audience is people who use gmail or yahoo mail and play   flash games and want a cheap and cheerful internet station.Its like trying to sell BMW and Lexus owners a Vespa .
Of course they dont need it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The target audience of Chrome OS isnt people who own macbooks or play pc games.The target audience is people who use gmail or yahoo mail and play
  flash games and want a cheap and cheerful internet station.Its like trying to sell BMW and Lexus owners a Vespa.
Of course they dont need it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418554</id>
	<title>Re:Forget about ARM</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1260623880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, actually. I've always wondered if with advances in chip-making technology, we shouldn't be able to produce, say, computers with the computational power of last decade's machines, but with a tenth or even a hundredth of the power consumption. I would be very happy with a computer with the capabilities of the PCs of the late 1990s with a 20 hour battery life!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , actually .
I 've always wondered if with advances in chip-making technology , we should n't be able to produce , say , computers with the computational power of last decade 's machines , but with a tenth or even a hundredth of the power consumption .
I would be very happy with a computer with the capabilities of the PCs of the late 1990s with a 20 hour battery life !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, actually.
I've always wondered if with advances in chip-making technology, we shouldn't be able to produce, say, computers with the computational power of last decade's machines, but with a tenth or even a hundredth of the power consumption.
I would be very happy with a computer with the capabilities of the PCs of the late 1990s with a 20 hour battery life!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30431932</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1260810300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I do agree. An App store would make such a device. The issue would be populating it. If you based it on Linux you could "fine tune" some exists FOSS apps and have a huge software base.<br>The think is getting people to change the names of the apps to something that did Start with a K or a G.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do agree .
An App store would make such a device .
The issue would be populating it .
If you based it on Linux you could " fine tune " some exists FOSS apps and have a huge software base.The think is getting people to change the names of the apps to something that did Start with a K or a G .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do agree.
An App store would make such a device.
The issue would be populating it.
If you based it on Linux you could "fine tune" some exists FOSS apps and have a huge software base.The think is getting people to change the names of the apps to something that did Start with a K or a G.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418530</id>
	<title>Re:What about our software freedom?</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1260623520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You misunderstand. Software freedom ends where the software ends. I don't really care how the hardware works, as long as I can write my own software to run on it. The idea isn't that strange: after all, we have the same thing with CPUs. I don't really know how my CPU works, but I know it groks AMD64 instructions. I'm not asking for the CPU design to be open source, it being elaborated with open source tools, etc. etc. I just want to know how to program the piece of hardware that I bought.</p><p>Of course, hardware can be useful without me knowing how to program it. In fact, there is a lot of hardware that I don't presently know how to program, yet which I still use regularly. However, it is important to recognize that not knowing how to program the hardware restricts the software it can be used with. In case of binary drivers for video cards, this means that the video card can only be used with other software the driver works with. That may be Windows, or OS X, or Linux, or even all of them, but what will it take to get the next revolutionary OS to work with that video card? The effect may be small, but proprietary interfaces stifle freedom, and therefore innovation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You misunderstand .
Software freedom ends where the software ends .
I do n't really care how the hardware works , as long as I can write my own software to run on it .
The idea is n't that strange : after all , we have the same thing with CPUs .
I do n't really know how my CPU works , but I know it groks AMD64 instructions .
I 'm not asking for the CPU design to be open source , it being elaborated with open source tools , etc .
etc. I just want to know how to program the piece of hardware that I bought.Of course , hardware can be useful without me knowing how to program it .
In fact , there is a lot of hardware that I do n't presently know how to program , yet which I still use regularly .
However , it is important to recognize that not knowing how to program the hardware restricts the software it can be used with .
In case of binary drivers for video cards , this means that the video card can only be used with other software the driver works with .
That may be Windows , or OS X , or Linux , or even all of them , but what will it take to get the next revolutionary OS to work with that video card ?
The effect may be small , but proprietary interfaces stifle freedom , and therefore innovation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You misunderstand.
Software freedom ends where the software ends.
I don't really care how the hardware works, as long as I can write my own software to run on it.
The idea isn't that strange: after all, we have the same thing with CPUs.
I don't really know how my CPU works, but I know it groks AMD64 instructions.
I'm not asking for the CPU design to be open source, it being elaborated with open source tools, etc.
etc. I just want to know how to program the piece of hardware that I bought.Of course, hardware can be useful without me knowing how to program it.
In fact, there is a lot of hardware that I don't presently know how to program, yet which I still use regularly.
However, it is important to recognize that not knowing how to program the hardware restricts the software it can be used with.
In case of binary drivers for video cards, this means that the video card can only be used with other software the driver works with.
That may be Windows, or OS X, or Linux, or even all of them, but what will it take to get the next revolutionary OS to work with that video card?
The effect may be small, but proprietary interfaces stifle freedom, and therefore innovation.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30451702</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Raptor851</author>
	<datestamp>1260879780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My friend owns an ARM9 based netbook (Sorry but I don't remember the model, it's probably around 3-4 years old now, I think it was just called "netbook" actually) and I own a MIPS based netbook (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skytone\_Alpha-400). The newer skytone netbooks are already ARM based, and have been out for quite a while.  My only two beefs with them are the default OS absolutely blows (it's easy to use, hard to modify or install ANYTHING, luckily you pretty much just need copy a tarball of the OS image you want to load onto it on a SD card to get a normal distro.) and the keyboard sucks. (though I've yet to see a netbook with a keyboard that didn't suck).  I've seen a couple ARM based netbooks hanging around frys electronics the past few years as well, they're around just not pushed and advertised as hard as the x86 ones, and tend to only appear for a few months out of the year.  <br> <br>

I recommend buying one as they become more common, the difference in battery life alone is worth it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My friend owns an ARM9 based netbook ( Sorry but I do n't remember the model , it 's probably around 3-4 years old now , I think it was just called " netbook " actually ) and I own a MIPS based netbook ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skytone \ _Alpha-400 ) .
The newer skytone netbooks are already ARM based , and have been out for quite a while .
My only two beefs with them are the default OS absolutely blows ( it 's easy to use , hard to modify or install ANYTHING , luckily you pretty much just need copy a tarball of the OS image you want to load onto it on a SD card to get a normal distro .
) and the keyboard sucks .
( though I 've yet to see a netbook with a keyboard that did n't suck ) .
I 've seen a couple ARM based netbooks hanging around frys electronics the past few years as well , they 're around just not pushed and advertised as hard as the x86 ones , and tend to only appear for a few months out of the year .
I recommend buying one as they become more common , the difference in battery life alone is worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My friend owns an ARM9 based netbook (Sorry but I don't remember the model, it's probably around 3-4 years old now, I think it was just called "netbook" actually) and I own a MIPS based netbook (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skytone\_Alpha-400).
The newer skytone netbooks are already ARM based, and have been out for quite a while.
My only two beefs with them are the default OS absolutely blows (it's easy to use, hard to modify or install ANYTHING, luckily you pretty much just need copy a tarball of the OS image you want to load onto it on a SD card to get a normal distro.
) and the keyboard sucks.
(though I've yet to see a netbook with a keyboard that didn't suck).
I've seen a couple ARM based netbooks hanging around frys electronics the past few years as well, they're around just not pushed and advertised as hard as the x86 ones, and tend to only appear for a few months out of the year.
I recommend buying one as they become more common, the difference in battery life alone is worth it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415662</id>
	<title>Re:ARM slow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260645120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It can be slow(ish) and incompatible with Photoshop, MS Word and Call of Duty. I don't care, as long as it runs a web browser, a terminal and an email client for a full day on one charge (with headroom for an aging battery) and doesn't cost more than $200. Oh, and I have to be able to actually buy it too. That seems to be the primary problem with these things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It can be slow ( ish ) and incompatible with Photoshop , MS Word and Call of Duty .
I do n't care , as long as it runs a web browser , a terminal and an email client for a full day on one charge ( with headroom for an aging battery ) and does n't cost more than $ 200 .
Oh , and I have to be able to actually buy it too .
That seems to be the primary problem with these things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It can be slow(ish) and incompatible with Photoshop, MS Word and Call of Duty.
I don't care, as long as it runs a web browser, a terminal and an email client for a full day on one charge (with headroom for an aging battery) and doesn't cost more than $200.
Oh, and I have to be able to actually buy it too.
That seems to be the primary problem with these things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416616</id>
	<title>Linux is on almost all the netbooks now.</title>
	<author>140Mandak262Jamuna</author>
	<datestamp>1260608460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Almost all the netbooks are now shipping with preboot OS, going by names like InstantOS, QuickWeb, InstantWeb etc. They are all based on splashtop linux or its competitor. They boot ultrafast, typically under 10 seconds and offer web, skype, photos, music and video access. The GUI is totally locked down and it is impossible to get behind it to Linux. Often times it does not have much of writable space and the main Windows Hard disk partition is not writable. So it becomes super secure device to access the net from public wifi hotspots like airports and coffee shops. Viruses cant write anything to any place. So many people who are mainly net centric never boot to full Windows. They stay in preboot and quit. Only when they need to download pictures and music into the hard disk they boot to full Windows,<p>

These preboot Linux will act like training wheels to let people kick their dependence on Windows.  So pretty soon we might get a real year of the linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost all the netbooks are now shipping with preboot OS , going by names like InstantOS , QuickWeb , InstantWeb etc .
They are all based on splashtop linux or its competitor .
They boot ultrafast , typically under 10 seconds and offer web , skype , photos , music and video access .
The GUI is totally locked down and it is impossible to get behind it to Linux .
Often times it does not have much of writable space and the main Windows Hard disk partition is not writable .
So it becomes super secure device to access the net from public wifi hotspots like airports and coffee shops .
Viruses cant write anything to any place .
So many people who are mainly net centric never boot to full Windows .
They stay in preboot and quit .
Only when they need to download pictures and music into the hard disk they boot to full Windows , These preboot Linux will act like training wheels to let people kick their dependence on Windows .
So pretty soon we might get a real year of the linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost all the netbooks are now shipping with preboot OS, going by names like InstantOS, QuickWeb, InstantWeb etc.
They are all based on splashtop linux or its competitor.
They boot ultrafast, typically under 10 seconds and offer web, skype, photos, music and video access.
The GUI is totally locked down and it is impossible to get behind it to Linux.
Often times it does not have much of writable space and the main Windows Hard disk partition is not writable.
So it becomes super secure device to access the net from public wifi hotspots like airports and coffee shops.
Viruses cant write anything to any place.
So many people who are mainly net centric never boot to full Windows.
They stay in preboot and quit.
Only when they need to download pictures and music into the hard disk they boot to full Windows,

These preboot Linux will act like training wheels to let people kick their dependence on Windows.
So pretty soon we might get a real year of the linux.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30419114</id>
	<title>It's the display, stupid</title>
	<author>Gothmolly</author>
	<datestamp>1260631920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The CPU is not the power hungry monster in a netbook, its the screen.  Fix THAT problem before diddling with new CPU architectures.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The CPU is not the power hungry monster in a netbook , its the screen .
Fix THAT problem before diddling with new CPU architectures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The CPU is not the power hungry monster in a netbook, its the screen.
Fix THAT problem before diddling with new CPU architectures.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30422840</id>
	<title>Re:ARM slow</title>
	<author>RichiH</author>
	<datestamp>1260722220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please please please tell me what that system was. I need something like that!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please please please tell me what that system was .
I need something like that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please please please tell me what that system was.
I need something like that!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416570</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260651300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you're missing a very, very big point here, and that is that even if there is a Windows 7 port to ARM, those people would <b>still</b> not be able to play their existing games, or use their existing apps, because those games and apps were written for x86 architectures.  So the when the ARM netbooks come out, you will have your choice between Linux and the vast majority of Linux's apps, or Windows and the vast <b>minority</b> of Windows apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you 're missing a very , very big point here , and that is that even if there is a Windows 7 port to ARM , those people would still not be able to play their existing games , or use their existing apps , because those games and apps were written for x86 architectures .
So the when the ARM netbooks come out , you will have your choice between Linux and the vast majority of Linux 's apps , or Windows and the vast minority of Windows apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you're missing a very, very big point here, and that is that even if there is a Windows 7 port to ARM, those people would still not be able to play their existing games, or use their existing apps, because those games and apps were written for x86 architectures.
So the when the ARM netbooks come out, you will have your choice between Linux and the vast majority of Linux's apps, or Windows and the vast minority of Windows apps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415916</id>
	<title>Where to buy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260646980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see tons of hype lately of ARM based netbooks, desktops etc etc. yet i cannot find them for sale anywhere. Not newegg, not local stores etc. and google results tend to produce only reviews. No one sells, but lots of reviews sounds to me like most of these devices are completely vaporware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see tons of hype lately of ARM based netbooks , desktops etc etc .
yet i can not find them for sale anywhere .
Not newegg , not local stores etc .
and google results tend to produce only reviews .
No one sells , but lots of reviews sounds to me like most of these devices are completely vaporware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see tons of hype lately of ARM based netbooks, desktops etc etc.
yet i cannot find them for sale anywhere.
Not newegg, not local stores etc.
and google results tend to produce only reviews.
No one sells, but lots of reviews sounds to me like most of these devices are completely vaporware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418236</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>cenc</author>
	<datestamp>1260620340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>N900, runs linux on ARM.</p><p>Can be bought from dell and amazon to name a few</p><p><a href="http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/" title="nokia.com">http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/</a> [nokia.com]</p><p>Now, everyone is going to jump on "that is not a notebook". You need to start waking up to the fact that computers are being replaced by all-in-one devices, and I say thank god as I am tired of hauling around 100 pounds of cables and crap on both long and short trips.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>N900 , runs linux on ARM.Can be bought from dell and amazon to name a fewhttp : //maemo.nokia.com/n900/ [ nokia.com ] Now , everyone is going to jump on " that is not a notebook " .
You need to start waking up to the fact that computers are being replaced by all-in-one devices , and I say thank god as I am tired of hauling around 100 pounds of cables and crap on both long and short trips .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>N900, runs linux on ARM.Can be bought from dell and amazon to name a fewhttp://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ [nokia.com]Now, everyone is going to jump on "that is not a notebook".
You need to start waking up to the fact that computers are being replaced by all-in-one devices, and I say thank god as I am tired of hauling around 100 pounds of cables and crap on both long and short trips.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415452</id>
	<title>Chrome OS</title>
	<author>SilverHatHacker</author>
	<datestamp>1260643980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>With all the hype about Chrome OS recently, I think people are forgetting that Ubuntu and Debian also have ARM ports, so you can pretty much run anything on an ARM. Of course, that wouldn't be any different from the current situation, so it probably doesn't really matter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With all the hype about Chrome OS recently , I think people are forgetting that Ubuntu and Debian also have ARM ports , so you can pretty much run anything on an ARM .
Of course , that would n't be any different from the current situation , so it probably does n't really matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With all the hype about Chrome OS recently, I think people are forgetting that Ubuntu and Debian also have ARM ports, so you can pretty much run anything on an ARM.
Of course, that wouldn't be any different from the current situation, so it probably doesn't really matter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420748</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>Risen888</author>
	<datestamp>1260646560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>What is a valid objection is that Linux distributions tend in general to be incredibly poor from a usability perspective compared to commercial offerings.</i></p><p>That's ridiculous. What's Microsoft's presence in the netbook space? Is it Vista? Is it Win7, the much-ballyhooed "Linux netbook killer?" Fuck no. You get Windows XP, sucker, the same stale crap they've been shoving down your throat for nearly a decade. If you're seriously trying to compare that to, for instance, Ubuntu Netbook Remix or KDE's Plasma netbook interface, you're off your meds.</p><p>Needless to say, Apple offers nothing. As usual.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is a valid objection is that Linux distributions tend in general to be incredibly poor from a usability perspective compared to commercial offerings.That 's ridiculous .
What 's Microsoft 's presence in the netbook space ?
Is it Vista ?
Is it Win7 , the much-ballyhooed " Linux netbook killer ?
" Fuck no .
You get Windows XP , sucker , the same stale crap they 've been shoving down your throat for nearly a decade .
If you 're seriously trying to compare that to , for instance , Ubuntu Netbook Remix or KDE 's Plasma netbook interface , you 're off your meds.Needless to say , Apple offers nothing .
As usual .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is a valid objection is that Linux distributions tend in general to be incredibly poor from a usability perspective compared to commercial offerings.That's ridiculous.
What's Microsoft's presence in the netbook space?
Is it Vista?
Is it Win7, the much-ballyhooed "Linux netbook killer?
" Fuck no.
You get Windows XP, sucker, the same stale crap they've been shoving down your throat for nearly a decade.
If you're seriously trying to compare that to, for instance, Ubuntu Netbook Remix or KDE's Plasma netbook interface, you're off your meds.Needless to say, Apple offers nothing.
As usual.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416282</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260649740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not a netbook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not a netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not a netbook.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415518</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>dgym</author>
	<datestamp>1260644340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>But we were all told about the 10 ARM netbooks that would appear on the market by Q3 2009. It is now Q4 so they must exist, and you must be wrong.
<br> <br>
I'm pretty sure this is a Microsoft stunt to make their market share look better. If you can't make geeks buy Windows, then make sure they don't buy anything at all because of all the sweet smelling vapourware on the perpetual horizon. Then again I'll blame them for most things, including a sock I lost.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But we were all told about the 10 ARM netbooks that would appear on the market by Q3 2009 .
It is now Q4 so they must exist , and you must be wrong .
I 'm pretty sure this is a Microsoft stunt to make their market share look better .
If you ca n't make geeks buy Windows , then make sure they do n't buy anything at all because of all the sweet smelling vapourware on the perpetual horizon .
Then again I 'll blame them for most things , including a sock I lost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But we were all told about the 10 ARM netbooks that would appear on the market by Q3 2009.
It is now Q4 so they must exist, and you must be wrong.
I'm pretty sure this is a Microsoft stunt to make their market share look better.
If you can't make geeks buy Windows, then make sure they don't buy anything at all because of all the sweet smelling vapourware on the perpetual horizon.
Then again I'll blame them for most things, including a sock I lost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30417096</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1260611400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Believe me dump cheap 50-80 Dollar arm based netbooks suitable for websurfing etc... into the supermarkets as pickup items along the candy and beer and people will pick them up on the run.<br>I am speaking in potential of hundreds of millions of machines which can be sold that way and probably even more in the third world as cheap surfstations!<br>I think what we see here is just what happened to the calculators, first expensive and scientific only then the common ones medium expensive and then becoming cheaper and cheaper and now they are sort of a present if you open a new bank account etc...<br>The Netbooks just follow that way, and I cannot see where Microsoft wants to be in this market with their prices of 50 USD per WinCE license, if Google gives away the alternative for free and shares even the income of the searches over those machines with the hardware makers!<br>50 USD price difference was enough to keep NVidia out of the netbook market with their ION Chipset it is currently enough to drive phone makers away from Microsoft! And in a segment of 50-100 Dollar Netbooks it will be enough to kill WinCE on ARM netbooks before it can even make a foothold!<br>The only advantage of Windows is not present in this segment that is the load of desktop applications so Microsoft is on equal ground here and they usually loose if they cannot use their monopoly to gain ground in other segments!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Believe me dump cheap 50-80 Dollar arm based netbooks suitable for websurfing etc... into the supermarkets as pickup items along the candy and beer and people will pick them up on the run.I am speaking in potential of hundreds of millions of machines which can be sold that way and probably even more in the third world as cheap surfstations ! I think what we see here is just what happened to the calculators , first expensive and scientific only then the common ones medium expensive and then becoming cheaper and cheaper and now they are sort of a present if you open a new bank account etc...The Netbooks just follow that way , and I can not see where Microsoft wants to be in this market with their prices of 50 USD per WinCE license , if Google gives away the alternative for free and shares even the income of the searches over those machines with the hardware makers ! 50 USD price difference was enough to keep NVidia out of the netbook market with their ION Chipset it is currently enough to drive phone makers away from Microsoft !
And in a segment of 50-100 Dollar Netbooks it will be enough to kill WinCE on ARM netbooks before it can even make a foothold ! The only advantage of Windows is not present in this segment that is the load of desktop applications so Microsoft is on equal ground here and they usually loose if they can not use their monopoly to gain ground in other segments !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Believe me dump cheap 50-80 Dollar arm based netbooks suitable for websurfing etc... into the supermarkets as pickup items along the candy and beer and people will pick them up on the run.I am speaking in potential of hundreds of millions of machines which can be sold that way and probably even more in the third world as cheap surfstations!I think what we see here is just what happened to the calculators, first expensive and scientific only then the common ones medium expensive and then becoming cheaper and cheaper and now they are sort of a present if you open a new bank account etc...The Netbooks just follow that way, and I cannot see where Microsoft wants to be in this market with their prices of 50 USD per WinCE license, if Google gives away the alternative for free and shares even the income of the searches over those machines with the hardware makers!50 USD price difference was enough to keep NVidia out of the netbook market with their ION Chipset it is currently enough to drive phone makers away from Microsoft!
And in a segment of 50-100 Dollar Netbooks it will be enough to kill WinCE on ARM netbooks before it can even make a foothold!The only advantage of Windows is not present in this segment that is the load of desktop applications so Microsoft is on equal ground here and they usually loose if they cannot use their monopoly to gain ground in other segments!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30419494</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260635400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Casual games made for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET would be able to run on ARM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Casual games made for .NET would be able to run on ARM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Casual games made for .NET would be able to run on ARM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415868</id>
	<title>Suggest looking to Japan</title>
	<author>HangingChad</author>
	<datestamp>1260646560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Linux is expected to dominate ARM-based netbooks because Windows doesn't run on ARM, full stop.</i>

</p><p>The small internet appliance market sort of started in Japan, so it might be worthwhile to look at what's happened to the trend there.  The same application and comfort level issues existed there and yet the netbook and appliance market has continued to grow, and continued to poach traditional PC and laptop sales.

</p><p>30 years ago I used to hear people ask,"What would I do with a PC?"  15 years ago companies would tell me they get along just fine without the internet and electronic mail.  I heard the same thing about iPods and iPhones.  So when average users don't see the utility of new technology, that doesn't mean you should close the book on it.

</p><p>I've noticed over the years that price and efficiency eventually win out. Every time Linux netbooks break a price barrier, $150 then $100, you'll see more people take an interest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux is expected to dominate ARM-based netbooks because Windows does n't run on ARM , full stop .
The small internet appliance market sort of started in Japan , so it might be worthwhile to look at what 's happened to the trend there .
The same application and comfort level issues existed there and yet the netbook and appliance market has continued to grow , and continued to poach traditional PC and laptop sales .
30 years ago I used to hear people ask , " What would I do with a PC ?
" 15 years ago companies would tell me they get along just fine without the internet and electronic mail .
I heard the same thing about iPods and iPhones .
So when average users do n't see the utility of new technology , that does n't mean you should close the book on it .
I 've noticed over the years that price and efficiency eventually win out .
Every time Linux netbooks break a price barrier , $ 150 then $ 100 , you 'll see more people take an interest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Linux is expected to dominate ARM-based netbooks because Windows doesn't run on ARM, full stop.
The small internet appliance market sort of started in Japan, so it might be worthwhile to look at what's happened to the trend there.
The same application and comfort level issues existed there and yet the netbook and appliance market has continued to grow, and continued to poach traditional PC and laptop sales.
30 years ago I used to hear people ask,"What would I do with a PC?
"  15 years ago companies would tell me they get along just fine without the internet and electronic mail.
I heard the same thing about iPods and iPhones.
So when average users don't see the utility of new technology, that doesn't mean you should close the book on it.
I've noticed over the years that price and efficiency eventually win out.
Every time Linux netbooks break a price barrier, $150 then $100, you'll see more people take an interest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416754</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1260609540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I happen to agree, as id love to get out of the x86 world on my laptop, just out of principle..  I did it on the desktop, but now that has become a dead end too ( thanks Steve Jobs.. grr )</p><p>And no, i don't want to buy an old Tadpole.. i want something current. Wifi, bluetooth, 8 hours battery life etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I happen to agree , as id love to get out of the x86 world on my laptop , just out of principle.. I did it on the desktop , but now that has become a dead end too ( thanks Steve Jobs.. grr ) And no , i do n't want to buy an old Tadpole.. i want something current .
Wifi , bluetooth , 8 hours battery life etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I happen to agree, as id love to get out of the x86 world on my laptop, just out of principle..  I did it on the desktop, but now that has become a dead end too ( thanks Steve Jobs.. grr )And no, i don't want to buy an old Tadpole.. i want something current.
Wifi, bluetooth, 8 hours battery life etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30501462</id>
	<title>Free netbooks, so what!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1261230600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see this as giving the razor away for free, then overcharging for the blades.  Sure netbooks will be under a $100, but what is the cost to connect to the internet.  Intel and Microsoft bleed to death and the telco and cable companies carry the cash to the bank by the truck load.  Linux and ARM change nothing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see this as giving the razor away for free , then overcharging for the blades .
Sure netbooks will be under a $ 100 , but what is the cost to connect to the internet .
Intel and Microsoft bleed to death and the telco and cable companies carry the cash to the bank by the truck load .
Linux and ARM change nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see this as giving the razor away for free, then overcharging for the blades.
Sure netbooks will be under a $100, but what is the cost to connect to the internet.
Intel and Microsoft bleed to death and the telco and cable companies carry the cash to the bank by the truck load.
Linux and ARM change nothing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30559844</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>badkarmadayaccount</author>
	<datestamp>1261836000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Chrome OS is a Ubuntu shell replacement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chrome OS is a Ubuntu shell replacement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chrome OS is a Ubuntu shell replacement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30442288</id>
	<title>Re:Apps aplenty</title>
	<author>m1xram</author>
	<datestamp>1260878640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Linux is compiled for ARM that means GCC and G++ have been built, which means that ever other app can be built. Therefore, every app for Gnome, KDE, and all the other desktops should be available. You'll probably see a netbook friendly desktop like XFCE or BusyBox, to reduce hardware requirements, but either will allow you to run OpenOffice. OO includes a Word Processor, Spreadsheet, Database, and Drawing apps. There are thousands of other free apps. You could run a web server, an SQL database, Internet clients for browsing, blogging, email, ftp, bit torrent, twitter, IM, etc. You could run a PIM app, several calculators, video and sound apps, hundreds of games. You could make programs in almost any language you like PERL, C, C++, Python, PHP, Ruby, TCL, Basic, multiple shell scripts, etc.</p><p>Above is a subset of what is installed on my laptop with the exception of KDE, XFCE, and BusyBox, but I have KDE apps. You couldn't install everything I have on this laptop to an ARM netbook, because it probably wouldn't fit on the storage device included, but I bet you could pick subset you find useful.</p><p>To the Linux crowd: I apologize in advance for leaving out your favorite app off the list. To be fair their are thousands.</p><p>What app do you need for your netbook?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Linux is compiled for ARM that means GCC and G + + have been built , which means that ever other app can be built .
Therefore , every app for Gnome , KDE , and all the other desktops should be available .
You 'll probably see a netbook friendly desktop like XFCE or BusyBox , to reduce hardware requirements , but either will allow you to run OpenOffice .
OO includes a Word Processor , Spreadsheet , Database , and Drawing apps .
There are thousands of other free apps .
You could run a web server , an SQL database , Internet clients for browsing , blogging , email , ftp , bit torrent , twitter , IM , etc .
You could run a PIM app , several calculators , video and sound apps , hundreds of games .
You could make programs in almost any language you like PERL , C , C + + , Python , PHP , Ruby , TCL , Basic , multiple shell scripts , etc.Above is a subset of what is installed on my laptop with the exception of KDE , XFCE , and BusyBox , but I have KDE apps .
You could n't install everything I have on this laptop to an ARM netbook , because it probably would n't fit on the storage device included , but I bet you could pick subset you find useful.To the Linux crowd : I apologize in advance for leaving out your favorite app off the list .
To be fair their are thousands.What app do you need for your netbook ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Linux is compiled for ARM that means GCC and G++ have been built, which means that ever other app can be built.
Therefore, every app for Gnome, KDE, and all the other desktops should be available.
You'll probably see a netbook friendly desktop like XFCE or BusyBox, to reduce hardware requirements, but either will allow you to run OpenOffice.
OO includes a Word Processor, Spreadsheet, Database, and Drawing apps.
There are thousands of other free apps.
You could run a web server, an SQL database, Internet clients for browsing, blogging, email, ftp, bit torrent, twitter, IM, etc.
You could run a PIM app, several calculators, video and sound apps, hundreds of games.
You could make programs in almost any language you like PERL, C, C++, Python, PHP, Ruby, TCL, Basic, multiple shell scripts, etc.Above is a subset of what is installed on my laptop with the exception of KDE, XFCE, and BusyBox, but I have KDE apps.
You couldn't install everything I have on this laptop to an ARM netbook, because it probably wouldn't fit on the storage device included, but I bet you could pick subset you find useful.To the Linux crowd: I apologize in advance for leaving out your favorite app off the list.
To be fair their are thousands.What app do you need for your netbook?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415318</id>
	<title>As long as I can run the apps I want, cool.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260643260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I run Linux full time, with an occasional Virtualbox WinXP session running (for one stinking application).
<p>
If I can run everything I currently run on my x86-based netbook/laptop, I'm all for it.
</p><p>
Unfortunately, I don't think I can run everything I need just yet.
</p><p>
Forget the "Cloud" - it doesn't interest me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I run Linux full time , with an occasional Virtualbox WinXP session running ( for one stinking application ) .
If I can run everything I currently run on my x86-based netbook/laptop , I 'm all for it .
Unfortunately , I do n't think I can run everything I need just yet .
Forget the " Cloud " - it does n't interest me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run Linux full time, with an occasional Virtualbox WinXP session running (for one stinking application).
If I can run everything I currently run on my x86-based netbook/laptop, I'm all for it.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can run everything I need just yet.
Forget the "Cloud" - it doesn't interest me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418576</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>Billly Gates</author>
	<datestamp>1260624060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Consumers do not know this.</p><p>Witness the intel integrated graphics. Many wow players bought these notebooks and were shocked when wow ran at a full 5ps in Dalaran.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Consumers do not know this.Witness the intel integrated graphics .
Many wow players bought these notebooks and were shocked when wow ran at a full 5ps in Dalaran .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consumers do not know this.Witness the intel integrated graphics.
Many wow players bought these notebooks and were shocked when wow ran at a full 5ps in Dalaran.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30431322</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260807900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, you could buy a Zipit for $50 and install Linux on it.  It's definitely a netbook:  screen, keyboard, small...very small...and lightweight...</p><p>http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/09/28/put-linux-on-a-zipit.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , you could buy a Zipit for $ 50 and install Linux on it .
It 's definitely a netbook : screen , keyboard , small...very small...and lightweight...http : //gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/09/28/put-linux-on-a-zipit.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, you could buy a Zipit for $50 and install Linux on it.
It's definitely a netbook:  screen, keyboard, small...very small...and lightweight...http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/09/28/put-linux-on-a-zipit.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418552</id>
	<title>Re:ARM-Powered Laptops To Increase Linux Market Sh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260623880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm, didn't KMS solve this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , did n't KMS solve this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, didn't KMS solve this?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415448</id>
	<title>$80 is a lot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260643980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can just heat some tap water if I want vapor and hot air. Let me know when I can buy a Linux laptop that runs 20 hours on one charge and doesn't cost more than $80.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can just heat some tap water if I want vapor and hot air .
Let me know when I can buy a Linux laptop that runs 20 hours on one charge and does n't cost more than $ 80 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can just heat some tap water if I want vapor and hot air.
Let me know when I can buy a Linux laptop that runs 20 hours on one charge and doesn't cost more than $80.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415520</id>
	<title>ARM?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260644340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ARM" title="thefreedictionary.com" rel="nofollow">YABA</a> [thefreedictionary.com]<br>WTF is ARM?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>YABA [ thefreedictionary.com ] WTF is ARM ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>YABA [thefreedictionary.com]WTF is ARM?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415460</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260643980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good point.  In 2007 we heard the ARM netbooks would hit in 2008.  In 2008, we heard they'd be huge in 2009.  In 2009, we heard maybe they'll be here in 2010.  Somebody sell me a Snapdragon based netbook for a reasonable price and I'll buy it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good point .
In 2007 we heard the ARM netbooks would hit in 2008 .
In 2008 , we heard they 'd be huge in 2009 .
In 2009 , we heard maybe they 'll be here in 2010 .
Somebody sell me a Snapdragon based netbook for a reasonable price and I 'll buy it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good point.
In 2007 we heard the ARM netbooks would hit in 2008.
In 2008, we heard they'd be huge in 2009.
In 2009, we heard maybe they'll be here in 2010.
Somebody sell me a Snapdragon based netbook for a reasonable price and I'll buy it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415230</id>
	<title>Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260642660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've showed a few friends and relatives some of the virtual machine builds of Chromium OS. These are "everyday people". A couple of them are school teachers, one is a doctor, one a pharmacist, and the other a college student. None of them are overly technical.</p><p>Basically, they all said it was shit. They didn't like how they couldn't play their existing games or use their existing apps, for instance.</p><p>Only the college student uses GMail. The rest of them use Outlook or Thunderbird and their ISP's email system, so they didn't see any benefit there.</p><p>One of the teachers already has a MacBook from her school, and says it works perfectly fine at the Starbucks when she gets her morning coffee. Plus she can use all of her other apps.</p><p>None of them said they'd use Chrome OS on a regular basis.  It just didn't do anything useful for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've showed a few friends and relatives some of the virtual machine builds of Chromium OS .
These are " everyday people " .
A couple of them are school teachers , one is a doctor , one a pharmacist , and the other a college student .
None of them are overly technical.Basically , they all said it was shit .
They did n't like how they could n't play their existing games or use their existing apps , for instance.Only the college student uses GMail .
The rest of them use Outlook or Thunderbird and their ISP 's email system , so they did n't see any benefit there.One of the teachers already has a MacBook from her school , and says it works perfectly fine at the Starbucks when she gets her morning coffee .
Plus she can use all of her other apps.None of them said they 'd use Chrome OS on a regular basis .
It just did n't do anything useful for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've showed a few friends and relatives some of the virtual machine builds of Chromium OS.
These are "everyday people".
A couple of them are school teachers, one is a doctor, one a pharmacist, and the other a college student.
None of them are overly technical.Basically, they all said it was shit.
They didn't like how they couldn't play their existing games or use their existing apps, for instance.Only the college student uses GMail.
The rest of them use Outlook or Thunderbird and their ISP's email system, so they didn't see any benefit there.One of the teachers already has a MacBook from her school, and says it works perfectly fine at the Starbucks when she gets her morning coffee.
Plus she can use all of her other apps.None of them said they'd use Chrome OS on a regular basis.
It just didn't do anything useful for them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420698</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>Risen888</author>
	<datestamp>1260646080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Only the college student uses GMail. The rest of them use Outlook or Thunderbird and their ISP's email system, so they didn't see any benefit there.</i></p><p>Wow, that is so contrary to my experience (and I support home users for a living). I can't think of a single client I have, of any age, that uses Outlook (or what have you) for their personal email. Not one. Everyone who has to use something like that at work hates it with a bloody mouth-frothing passion. <i>Everyone</i> uses Gmail or Yahoo or God help us, Hotmail. I don't even bother asking anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only the college student uses GMail .
The rest of them use Outlook or Thunderbird and their ISP 's email system , so they did n't see any benefit there.Wow , that is so contrary to my experience ( and I support home users for a living ) .
I ca n't think of a single client I have , of any age , that uses Outlook ( or what have you ) for their personal email .
Not one .
Everyone who has to use something like that at work hates it with a bloody mouth-frothing passion .
Everyone uses Gmail or Yahoo or God help us , Hotmail .
I do n't even bother asking anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only the college student uses GMail.
The rest of them use Outlook or Thunderbird and their ISP's email system, so they didn't see any benefit there.Wow, that is so contrary to my experience (and I support home users for a living).
I can't think of a single client I have, of any age, that uses Outlook (or what have you) for their personal email.
Not one.
Everyone who has to use something like that at work hates it with a bloody mouth-frothing passion.
Everyone uses Gmail or Yahoo or God help us, Hotmail.
I don't even bother asking anymore.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416592</id>
	<title>Netbooks</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1260651480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The question is whether ARM-based netbooks will sell at all. It doesn't really matter what OS a netbook is running. Nobody buys any kind of computer to run an OS. They buy computers to run apps.</p> </div><p>True, and if they are targeted to the 'cloud' marketing spin as netbooks are for the most part, then i don't see conflict or any reason for them not to sell.</p><p>If they can push portable 'cloud terminals' (tm) out the door at $100 or less, they will sell lots.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The question is whether ARM-based netbooks will sell at all .
It does n't really matter what OS a netbook is running .
Nobody buys any kind of computer to run an OS .
They buy computers to run apps .
True , and if they are targeted to the 'cloud ' marketing spin as netbooks are for the most part , then i do n't see conflict or any reason for them not to sell.If they can push portable 'cloud terminals ' ( tm ) out the door at $ 100 or less , they will sell lots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question is whether ARM-based netbooks will sell at all.
It doesn't really matter what OS a netbook is running.
Nobody buys any kind of computer to run an OS.
They buy computers to run apps.
True, and if they are targeted to the 'cloud' marketing spin as netbooks are for the most part, then i don't see conflict or any reason for them not to sell.If they can push portable 'cloud terminals' (tm) out the door at $100 or less, they will sell lots.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416688</id>
	<title>Forget about ARM</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1260609000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm building a PIC-based micro-sub-netbook-mini that's going to last 40 <em>weeks</em> on a set of two AA batteries.</p><p>It won't have an OS or browser or whatnot, but it's going to run <strong>40 weeks</strong> on a set of batteries, man!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm building a PIC-based micro-sub-netbook-mini that 's going to last 40 weeks on a set of two AA batteries.It wo n't have an OS or browser or whatnot , but it 's going to run 40 weeks on a set of batteries , man !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm building a PIC-based micro-sub-netbook-mini that's going to last 40 weeks on a set of two AA batteries.It won't have an OS or browser or whatnot, but it's going to run 40 weeks on a set of batteries, man!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30417462</id>
	<title>Re:What about our software freedom?</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1260614340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In terms of long-term software freedom, it's better if we focus on getting market share now so more people will bother writing open source drivers for Linux in a decade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In terms of long-term software freedom , it 's better if we focus on getting market share now so more people will bother writing open source drivers for Linux in a decade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In terms of long-term software freedom, it's better if we focus on getting market share now so more people will bother writing open source drivers for Linux in a decade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415450</id>
	<title>ARM slow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260643980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>an ARM guy came to our institute to demo their $150 ARM system, it had Ubuntu on it, and while it could play 1080p HD video, the GUI was remarkably slow for normal tasks. Responsivity matters, and my Atom netbook certainly feels faster than that ARM+Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>an ARM guy came to our institute to demo their $ 150 ARM system , it had Ubuntu on it , and while it could play 1080p HD video , the GUI was remarkably slow for normal tasks .
Responsivity matters , and my Atom netbook certainly feels faster than that ARM + Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>an ARM guy came to our institute to demo their $150 ARM system, it had Ubuntu on it, and while it could play 1080p HD video, the GUI was remarkably slow for normal tasks.
Responsivity matters, and my Atom netbook certainly feels faster than that ARM+Linux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418816</id>
	<title>Some ARMs are slow, but not all</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260627420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a lot of versions for the ARM processor. Some with less power, some more.</p><p>So it's a toss up.</p><p>If you want the netbook to be fast, really fast, be ready for one with a BIG battery, or you need to recharge it more often.</p><p>There *ARE* many versions of ARM processors which have more power than Intel Atom / VIA Nano, you just need to get the manufacturer to produce one with a powerful ARM processor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a lot of versions for the ARM processor .
Some with less power , some more.So it 's a toss up.If you want the netbook to be fast , really fast , be ready for one with a BIG battery , or you need to recharge it more often.There * ARE * many versions of ARM processors which have more power than Intel Atom / VIA Nano , you just need to get the manufacturer to produce one with a powerful ARM processor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a lot of versions for the ARM processor.
Some with less power, some more.So it's a toss up.If you want the netbook to be fast, really fast, be ready for one with a BIG battery, or you need to recharge it more often.There *ARE* many versions of ARM processors which have more power than Intel Atom / VIA Nano, you just need to get the manufacturer to produce one with a powerful ARM processor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415704</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Sique</author>
	<datestamp>1260645480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the netbooks I ever bought were Linux based ones, even though none of them runs the original Xandros anymore. But with Ubuntu Netbook Remix they are going strong.<br>Why you can't get hold of a Linux based netbook is beyond me. It wasn't hard for me. I just entered "linux netbook" in the search field of the online store of my choice, and there they were.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the netbooks I ever bought were Linux based ones , even though none of them runs the original Xandros anymore .
But with Ubuntu Netbook Remix they are going strong.Why you ca n't get hold of a Linux based netbook is beyond me .
It was n't hard for me .
I just entered " linux netbook " in the search field of the online store of my choice , and there they were .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the netbooks I ever bought were Linux based ones, even though none of them runs the original Xandros anymore.
But with Ubuntu Netbook Remix they are going strong.Why you can't get hold of a Linux based netbook is beyond me.
It wasn't hard for me.
I just entered "linux netbook" in the search field of the online store of my choice, and there they were.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415586</id>
	<title>Re:ARM-Powered Laptops To Increase Linux Market Sh</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1260644700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's nice.  Can you even get a laptop/netbook/whatever without wifi these days?</p><p>Now, if they meant always on, if I had a kid I'd much rather give him a nice $1000 laptop rather than a crap laptop and $500+/year cellular data subscription.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's nice .
Can you even get a laptop/netbook/whatever without wifi these days ? Now , if they meant always on , if I had a kid I 'd much rather give him a nice $ 1000 laptop rather than a crap laptop and $ 500 + /year cellular data subscription .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's nice.
Can you even get a laptop/netbook/whatever without wifi these days?Now, if they meant always on, if I had a kid I'd much rather give him a nice $1000 laptop rather than a crap laptop and $500+/year cellular data subscription.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416034</id>
	<title>And of course...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260647940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Intel and Microsoft will just sit still and wait this to happen. Windows Mobile works on ARM processors and Intel has their ARM-grade CPU (Atom series).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Intel and Microsoft will just sit still and wait this to happen .
Windows Mobile works on ARM processors and Intel has their ARM-grade CPU ( Atom series ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intel and Microsoft will just sit still and wait this to happen.
Windows Mobile works on ARM processors and Intel has their ARM-grade CPU (Atom series).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416952</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1260610560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Basically, they all said it was shit. They didn't like how they couldn't play their existing games or use their existing apps, for instance.</i>
<p>
I doubt many netbooks let you play any games on them for one reason or another (crappy resolution / CPU / memory etc.) so I don't see that as a valid objection. What <i>is</i> a valid objection is that Linux distributions tend in general to be incredibly poor from a usability perspective compared to commercial offerings. Even the best of them (which is Ubuntu) still has flaws to catch out the unwary. Chrome OS had better polish the experience to a shine or it will suffer by comparison with Windows or OS X.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Basically , they all said it was shit .
They did n't like how they could n't play their existing games or use their existing apps , for instance .
I doubt many netbooks let you play any games on them for one reason or another ( crappy resolution / CPU / memory etc .
) so I do n't see that as a valid objection .
What is a valid objection is that Linux distributions tend in general to be incredibly poor from a usability perspective compared to commercial offerings .
Even the best of them ( which is Ubuntu ) still has flaws to catch out the unwary .
Chrome OS had better polish the experience to a shine or it will suffer by comparison with Windows or OS X .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically, they all said it was shit.
They didn't like how they couldn't play their existing games or use their existing apps, for instance.
I doubt many netbooks let you play any games on them for one reason or another (crappy resolution / CPU / memory etc.
) so I don't see that as a valid objection.
What is a valid objection is that Linux distributions tend in general to be incredibly poor from a usability perspective compared to commercial offerings.
Even the best of them (which is Ubuntu) still has flaws to catch out the unwary.
Chrome OS had better polish the experience to a shine or it will suffer by comparison with Windows or OS X.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418238</id>
	<title>Re:ARM-Powered Laptops To Increase Linux Market Sh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260620340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> The flickering of the screen, if I understand you correctly, is fixed by using KMS (Kernel Mode Setting).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The flickering of the screen , if I understand you correctly , is fixed by using KMS ( Kernel Mode Setting ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The flickering of the screen, if I understand you correctly, is fixed by using KMS (Kernel Mode Setting).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415404</id>
	<title>qFir9st post</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260643740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">luck I'll find Users of BSD/OS. A</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>luck I 'll find Users of BSD/OS .
A [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>luck I'll find Users of BSD/OS.
A [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418928</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1260628860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but it offers exactly one app: a Web browser. If an inexpensive device that does nothing except access the Web is attractive to people, they will buy them. I don't really see how that will "shake up the Intel and Microsoft consumer PC/laptop monopoly in its boots," (sic) though. A Chrome OS device is not competitive with consumer PCs or laptops.</i></p><p>Yet, there's at least half a dozen ARM centric distros out there which are more than just a browser. At the very least, you've got Ubuntu, Debian, OpenEmbedded, and Angstrom distributions. You've also got a handful of special-taylored distributions.</p><p>And then you've got the graphical 'frameworks' for handhelds/embedded ARM systems: Opie, GPE (seemingly dead/merged elsewhere, I think), Qtopia/QTembedded, Maemo (based on matchbox window manager, I think), and a handful of other environments. A couple of them (well, Opie and QTembedded, at least) are more featureful and useful than both the iPhone (which some are supplanting for computers) and Windows Mobile/WinCE. There are a lot of 'base' applications there, too.</p><p>With QTembedded, you should have access to applications like koffice, which is at least on par with Pocket Word. Aside from web browsing, that'd meet 90\% of most people's use. Throw in a half-decent but bare bones image editor, and you're set.</p><p>And if Linux fails you in any above combination, there's always BSD. There are a lot of applications available for ARM, many of which have already replaced Office, IE, etc. on people's desks. Sometimes, the users don't even notice the change.</p><p>Finally, you've got things like TinyCore, a minimalistic Linux distro which has a different approach to package management and the like, and also boots incredibly quickly (it's the progeny of DSL).</p><p>Honestly, I think the first person to come up with a general purpose "computer" in the form factor of a cell phone (complete with cell radio for actual use as a phone), capable of connecting to a desktop monitor and keyboard/mouse will make a killing. Make them in high enough numbers, and you could still sell them for under $400 with a decent display - and they'd still fly off the shelves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel , but it offers exactly one app : a Web browser .
If an inexpensive device that does nothing except access the Web is attractive to people , they will buy them .
I do n't really see how that will " shake up the Intel and Microsoft consumer PC/laptop monopoly in its boots , " ( sic ) though .
A Chrome OS device is not competitive with consumer PCs or laptops.Yet , there 's at least half a dozen ARM centric distros out there which are more than just a browser .
At the very least , you 've got Ubuntu , Debian , OpenEmbedded , and Angstrom distributions .
You 've also got a handful of special-taylored distributions.And then you 've got the graphical 'frameworks ' for handhelds/embedded ARM systems : Opie , GPE ( seemingly dead/merged elsewhere , I think ) , Qtopia/QTembedded , Maemo ( based on matchbox window manager , I think ) , and a handful of other environments .
A couple of them ( well , Opie and QTembedded , at least ) are more featureful and useful than both the iPhone ( which some are supplanting for computers ) and Windows Mobile/WinCE .
There are a lot of 'base ' applications there , too.With QTembedded , you should have access to applications like koffice , which is at least on par with Pocket Word .
Aside from web browsing , that 'd meet 90 \ % of most people 's use .
Throw in a half-decent but bare bones image editor , and you 're set.And if Linux fails you in any above combination , there 's always BSD .
There are a lot of applications available for ARM , many of which have already replaced Office , IE , etc .
on people 's desks .
Sometimes , the users do n't even notice the change.Finally , you 've got things like TinyCore , a minimalistic Linux distro which has a different approach to package management and the like , and also boots incredibly quickly ( it 's the progeny of DSL ) .Honestly , I think the first person to come up with a general purpose " computer " in the form factor of a cell phone ( complete with cell radio for actual use as a phone ) , capable of connecting to a desktop monitor and keyboard/mouse will make a killing .
Make them in high enough numbers , and you could still sell them for under $ 400 with a decent display - and they 'd still fly off the shelves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chrome OS runs on a Linux kernel, but it offers exactly one app: a Web browser.
If an inexpensive device that does nothing except access the Web is attractive to people, they will buy them.
I don't really see how that will "shake up the Intel and Microsoft consumer PC/laptop monopoly in its boots," (sic) though.
A Chrome OS device is not competitive with consumer PCs or laptops.Yet, there's at least half a dozen ARM centric distros out there which are more than just a browser.
At the very least, you've got Ubuntu, Debian, OpenEmbedded, and Angstrom distributions.
You've also got a handful of special-taylored distributions.And then you've got the graphical 'frameworks' for handhelds/embedded ARM systems: Opie, GPE (seemingly dead/merged elsewhere, I think), Qtopia/QTembedded, Maemo (based on matchbox window manager, I think), and a handful of other environments.
A couple of them (well, Opie and QTembedded, at least) are more featureful and useful than both the iPhone (which some are supplanting for computers) and Windows Mobile/WinCE.
There are a lot of 'base' applications there, too.With QTembedded, you should have access to applications like koffice, which is at least on par with Pocket Word.
Aside from web browsing, that'd meet 90\% of most people's use.
Throw in a half-decent but bare bones image editor, and you're set.And if Linux fails you in any above combination, there's always BSD.
There are a lot of applications available for ARM, many of which have already replaced Office, IE, etc.
on people's desks.
Sometimes, the users don't even notice the change.Finally, you've got things like TinyCore, a minimalistic Linux distro which has a different approach to package management and the like, and also boots incredibly quickly (it's the progeny of DSL).Honestly, I think the first person to come up with a general purpose "computer" in the form factor of a cell phone (complete with cell radio for actual use as a phone), capable of connecting to a desktop monitor and keyboard/mouse will make a killing.
Make them in high enough numbers, and you could still sell them for under $400 with a decent display - and they'd still fly off the shelves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416608</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Ant P.</author>
	<datestamp>1260608400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They do exist, it's just that someone bought all 10 of them and tried to sell them on eBay for 5x the price</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do exist , it 's just that someone bought all 10 of them and tried to sell them on eBay for 5x the price</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They do exist, it's just that someone bought all 10 of them and tried to sell them on eBay for 5x the price</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30421158</id>
	<title>Re:Twist your ARM</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1260695760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Modern netbooks mostly use hyperthreaded processors. While not quite dual-core, they're still a lot better for multitasking.</p><p>You can get true dual-core systems in that form factor, but not for netbook prices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Modern netbooks mostly use hyperthreaded processors .
While not quite dual-core , they 're still a lot better for multitasking.You can get true dual-core systems in that form factor , but not for netbook prices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Modern netbooks mostly use hyperthreaded processors.
While not quite dual-core, they're still a lot better for multitasking.You can get true dual-core systems in that form factor, but not for netbook prices.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30424072</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260733920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think you're missing a very, very big point here, and that is that even if there is a Windows 7 port to ARM, those people would <b>still</b> not be able to play their existing games, or use their existing apps, because those games and apps were written for x86 architectures.  So the when the ARM netbooks come out, you will have your choice between Linux and the vast majority of Linux's apps, or Windows and the vast <b>minority</b> of Windows apps.</p></div><p>And for exactly those reasons those people wouldn't buy an ARM netbook. Microsoft will continue to dominate the market because open source fanboys continue to applaud stuff <i>they</i> think is wonderful and everybody else thinks is irrelevant. Low power netbooks will be purchased by diehard 'nuxites, the financially disadvantaged and the curious.</p><p>[Disclaimer: use Linux everyday, like and support it.. Just like to look at life through non-rose tinted specs every now and again.]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you 're missing a very , very big point here , and that is that even if there is a Windows 7 port to ARM , those people would still not be able to play their existing games , or use their existing apps , because those games and apps were written for x86 architectures .
So the when the ARM netbooks come out , you will have your choice between Linux and the vast majority of Linux 's apps , or Windows and the vast minority of Windows apps.And for exactly those reasons those people would n't buy an ARM netbook .
Microsoft will continue to dominate the market because open source fanboys continue to applaud stuff they think is wonderful and everybody else thinks is irrelevant .
Low power netbooks will be purchased by diehard 'nuxites , the financially disadvantaged and the curious .
[ Disclaimer : use Linux everyday , like and support it.. Just like to look at life through non-rose tinted specs every now and again .
]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you're missing a very, very big point here, and that is that even if there is a Windows 7 port to ARM, those people would still not be able to play their existing games, or use their existing apps, because those games and apps were written for x86 architectures.
So the when the ARM netbooks come out, you will have your choice between Linux and the vast majority of Linux's apps, or Windows and the vast minority of Windows apps.And for exactly those reasons those people wouldn't buy an ARM netbook.
Microsoft will continue to dominate the market because open source fanboys continue to applaud stuff they think is wonderful and everybody else thinks is irrelevant.
Low power netbooks will be purchased by diehard 'nuxites, the financially disadvantaged and the curious.
[Disclaimer: use Linux everyday, like and support it.. Just like to look at life through non-rose tinted specs every now and again.
]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415398</id>
	<title>ARM-Powered Laptops To Increase Linux Market Share</title>
	<author>omar.sahal</author>
	<datestamp>1260643680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is not hard to believe because 2008 showed that if a computer is cheap enough it will sell regardless of well known OS. <br>
I would how ever like to warn against complacency. There are warts in Linux that do not get fixed, such as the flickering screen in Ubuntu boot and shut down, despite attention from distro's (others, such as suspending a computer, are only on a minority of chip sets and can be fixed when working with a Manufacturer) It seems that Linux needs a business to focus on it and ensure that the customer experience is fully taken into account (with deference paid to hackers and community organisations such as Gnome, Kde etc). <br> One thing to ask your self is would Apple (or other unnamed companies operating in the OS space)
allow such a case of the above screen flickering, or would it be dealt with even if the X server had to be replaced (if that is the problem)</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not hard to believe because 2008 showed that if a computer is cheap enough it will sell regardless of well known OS .
I would how ever like to warn against complacency .
There are warts in Linux that do not get fixed , such as the flickering screen in Ubuntu boot and shut down , despite attention from distro 's ( others , such as suspending a computer , are only on a minority of chip sets and can be fixed when working with a Manufacturer ) It seems that Linux needs a business to focus on it and ensure that the customer experience is fully taken into account ( with deference paid to hackers and community organisations such as Gnome , Kde etc ) .
One thing to ask your self is would Apple ( or other unnamed companies operating in the OS space ) allow such a case of the above screen flickering , or would it be dealt with even if the X server had to be replaced ( if that is the problem )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not hard to believe because 2008 showed that if a computer is cheap enough it will sell regardless of well known OS.
I would how ever like to warn against complacency.
There are warts in Linux that do not get fixed, such as the flickering screen in Ubuntu boot and shut down, despite attention from distro's (others, such as suspending a computer, are only on a minority of chip sets and can be fixed when working with a Manufacturer) It seems that Linux needs a business to focus on it and ensure that the customer experience is fully taken into account (with deference paid to hackers and community organisations such as Gnome, Kde etc).
One thing to ask your self is would Apple (or other unnamed companies operating in the OS space)
allow such a case of the above screen flickering, or would it be dealt with even if the X server had to be replaced (if that is the problem)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416564</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260651300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mine seems to be defective.  The bottom part with all the buttons is missing, and i can't fold it in half to close it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mine seems to be defective .
The bottom part with all the buttons is missing , and i ca n't fold it in half to close it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mine seems to be defective.
The bottom part with all the buttons is missing, and i can't fold it in half to close it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420296</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>pizzach</author>
	<datestamp>1260642180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They buy computers to run apps. You can argue all you want that Mac OS X is more elegant than Windows, or whatever -- but if you couldn't get a word processor for it, nobody would use it.</p></div><p>I find that argument a bit depressing nowadays.  How most people repeat that it is seriously starting to sound like they just keep repeating, "You are not Windows.  Give up already."  If someone wants a specific program made by a specific company, there is only so much you can do.  There is only one Microsoft Word.  Is that reason enough to give up on development of Linux?  There is only one blue E for getting on the internet.  There is only one iPhoto.  There is only one iMovie.</p><p>Linux has a lot apps.  What it is missing are "killer apps" IMHO that you can't get elseware.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They buy computers to run apps .
You can argue all you want that Mac OS X is more elegant than Windows , or whatever -- but if you could n't get a word processor for it , nobody would use it.I find that argument a bit depressing nowadays .
How most people repeat that it is seriously starting to sound like they just keep repeating , " You are not Windows .
Give up already .
" If someone wants a specific program made by a specific company , there is only so much you can do .
There is only one Microsoft Word .
Is that reason enough to give up on development of Linux ?
There is only one blue E for getting on the internet .
There is only one iPhoto .
There is only one iMovie.Linux has a lot apps .
What it is missing are " killer apps " IMHO that you ca n't get elseware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They buy computers to run apps.
You can argue all you want that Mac OS X is more elegant than Windows, or whatever -- but if you couldn't get a word processor for it, nobody would use it.I find that argument a bit depressing nowadays.
How most people repeat that it is seriously starting to sound like they just keep repeating, "You are not Windows.
Give up already.
"  If someone wants a specific program made by a specific company, there is only so much you can do.
There is only one Microsoft Word.
Is that reason enough to give up on development of Linux?
There is only one blue E for getting on the internet.
There is only one iPhoto.
There is only one iMovie.Linux has a lot apps.
What it is missing are "killer apps" IMHO that you can't get elseware.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415646</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>buruonbrails</author>
	<datestamp>1260645000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Typical netbook apps (Firefox, OpenOffice, Pidgin) are already ported to ARM Linux, so ARM netbooks may fill the niche that used to be occupied by ASUS eeePC 701 and similar devices. As x86 netbooks move to "small, inexpensive laptop" niche, ARM devices may fulfill the role of "small inexpensive device for web browsing/word processing". Their competitive advantages over x86 netbooks are lower price and better battery life.
<br>
<br>

The best thing about ARM-based netbook (and the worst thing for an average consumer) is that you cannot put Windows on it. So, every ARM netbook sold is a plus to overall Linux market share.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Typical netbook apps ( Firefox , OpenOffice , Pidgin ) are already ported to ARM Linux , so ARM netbooks may fill the niche that used to be occupied by ASUS eeePC 701 and similar devices .
As x86 netbooks move to " small , inexpensive laptop " niche , ARM devices may fulfill the role of " small inexpensive device for web browsing/word processing " .
Their competitive advantages over x86 netbooks are lower price and better battery life .
The best thing about ARM-based netbook ( and the worst thing for an average consumer ) is that you can not put Windows on it .
So , every ARM netbook sold is a plus to overall Linux market share .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typical netbook apps (Firefox, OpenOffice, Pidgin) are already ported to ARM Linux, so ARM netbooks may fill the niche that used to be occupied by ASUS eeePC 701 and similar devices.
As x86 netbooks move to "small, inexpensive laptop" niche, ARM devices may fulfill the role of "small inexpensive device for web browsing/word processing".
Their competitive advantages over x86 netbooks are lower price and better battery life.
The best thing about ARM-based netbook (and the worst thing for an average consumer) is that you cannot put Windows on it.
So, every ARM netbook sold is a plus to overall Linux market share.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416344</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>s0litaire</author>
	<datestamp>1260650160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>Doesn't Windows Mobile (WinCE) run on ARM?<br><br>I can see Microsoft slappin' the "Microsoft TAX" on these ARM netbooks by sticking their Mobile OS&nbsp; on it, with a few tweeks... &gt;\_&lt;</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't Windows Mobile ( WinCE ) run on ARM ? I can see Microsoft slappin ' the " Microsoft TAX " on these ARM netbooks by sticking their Mobile OS   on it , with a few tweeks... &gt; \ _</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't Windows Mobile (WinCE) run on ARM?I can see Microsoft slappin' the "Microsoft TAX" on these ARM netbooks by sticking their Mobile OS  on it, with a few tweeks... &gt;\_</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416578</id>
	<title>Re:Christ, AGAIN!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260651360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought a Touchbook made by Always Innovating. I've had it for a couple of months now. It's ARM-based and it runs Linux. I bought it because I wanted a touch netbook (to complement my tablet PC).</p><p>I bought it over the Internet, not in a store -- but I can assure you it exists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought a Touchbook made by Always Innovating .
I 've had it for a couple of months now .
It 's ARM-based and it runs Linux .
I bought it because I wanted a touch netbook ( to complement my tablet PC ) .I bought it over the Internet , not in a store -- but I can assure you it exists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought a Touchbook made by Always Innovating.
I've had it for a couple of months now.
It's ARM-based and it runs Linux.
I bought it because I wanted a touch netbook (to complement my tablet PC).I bought it over the Internet, not in a store -- but I can assure you it exists.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418976</id>
	<title>Frecon Netbooks</title>
	<author>Zero\_DgZ</author>
	<datestamp>1260629820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Screw netbooks. When can I buy a proper PDA again? Something about the size of a stack of 3x5 cards with nice, high-res touchscreen, maybe one of those trendy slideout keyboards, Wifi, Bluetooth, decent amount of storage, and a memory card slot? That can run an actual web browser and other arbitrary apps? And with battery life that doesn't totally suck, and that's not a freaking phone tied to a contract and service agreement and which will refuse to work without a valid SIM card?</p><p>Maybe something that can run SSH and remote desktop, run a REAL web browser (not Pocket Internet Explorer, like current WinMo handhelds/phones), play a couple of games, play back video, network tasks, etc.? My old Axim does all of the above except the web browser part; Apparently nobody is interesting in making a mobile web browser that doesn't run on a damn phone. I don't need a damn phone-tied-to-PDA. I already have a phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw netbooks .
When can I buy a proper PDA again ?
Something about the size of a stack of 3x5 cards with nice , high-res touchscreen , maybe one of those trendy slideout keyboards , Wifi , Bluetooth , decent amount of storage , and a memory card slot ?
That can run an actual web browser and other arbitrary apps ?
And with battery life that does n't totally suck , and that 's not a freaking phone tied to a contract and service agreement and which will refuse to work without a valid SIM card ? Maybe something that can run SSH and remote desktop , run a REAL web browser ( not Pocket Internet Explorer , like current WinMo handhelds/phones ) , play a couple of games , play back video , network tasks , etc. ?
My old Axim does all of the above except the web browser part ; Apparently nobody is interesting in making a mobile web browser that does n't run on a damn phone .
I do n't need a damn phone-tied-to-PDA .
I already have a phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw netbooks.
When can I buy a proper PDA again?
Something about the size of a stack of 3x5 cards with nice, high-res touchscreen, maybe one of those trendy slideout keyboards, Wifi, Bluetooth, decent amount of storage, and a memory card slot?
That can run an actual web browser and other arbitrary apps?
And with battery life that doesn't totally suck, and that's not a freaking phone tied to a contract and service agreement and which will refuse to work without a valid SIM card?Maybe something that can run SSH and remote desktop, run a REAL web browser (not Pocket Internet Explorer, like current WinMo handhelds/phones), play a couple of games, play back video, network tasks, etc.?
My old Axim does all of the above except the web browser part; Apparently nobody is interesting in making a mobile web browser that doesn't run on a damn phone.
I don't need a damn phone-tied-to-PDA.
I already have a phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416004</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1260647640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, Linux has tons over tons of apps that run on ARM, as opposed to <em>any</em> other OS out there. I mean my portage repository has 13,628 packages. Nearly all of them run on ARM. And that is only the main repository! (With over 180 smaller ones.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , Linux has tons over tons of apps that run on ARM , as opposed to any other OS out there .
I mean my portage repository has 13,628 packages .
Nearly all of them run on ARM .
And that is only the main repository !
( With over 180 smaller ones .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, Linux has tons over tons of apps that run on ARM, as opposed to any other OS out there.
I mean my portage repository has 13,628 packages.
Nearly all of them run on ARM.
And that is only the main repository!
(With over 180 smaller ones.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420560</id>
	<title>Microsoft Friendly Retail</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1260644700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Last April, Microsoft argued that it controlled the netbook OS market for devices sold in certain Microsoft-friendly US retail stores, while ABI Research claims that Linux actually has 32\% of the worldwide netbook market, and that its market-share is growing</i> </p><p>The Microsoft friendly shop is damn near every office supply house or general merchandise outlet in the states with four walls and a roof.</p><p>Walmart carried the flag for Linux in big box retail for ten years.</p><p> This holiday season it is all Windows:</p><p> Entry level for a full size brand-name 64 bit Win 7 Premium laptop is $350. <a href="http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product\_id=1234721864" title="walmart.com">Acer 15.6" AS5517-5136 Laptop PC</a> [walmart.com] </p><p>That may come as an eye-opener for the geek.</p><p>The ARM netbook like the Google PC is still a phantom - no one quite knows quite when or where it will materialize or how much it will cost.</p><p> Chrome's value seems utterly dependent on cheap - reliable - universal - broadband. I am not sure we are there yet.</p><p>Of course, one reason why the retailer is Microsoft friendly is the prospect of significant aftermarket sales.</p><p>Hardware, software, peripherals. Inks and papers.</p><p>That helps keep the price of the Windows PC competitive - and it raises the question of whether retailers will make an all-out push for the next generation network appliance.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last April , Microsoft argued that it controlled the netbook OS market for devices sold in certain Microsoft-friendly US retail stores , while ABI Research claims that Linux actually has 32 \ % of the worldwide netbook market , and that its market-share is growing The Microsoft friendly shop is damn near every office supply house or general merchandise outlet in the states with four walls and a roof.Walmart carried the flag for Linux in big box retail for ten years .
This holiday season it is all Windows : Entry level for a full size brand-name 64 bit Win 7 Premium laptop is $ 350 .
Acer 15.6 " AS5517-5136 Laptop PC [ walmart.com ] That may come as an eye-opener for the geek.The ARM netbook like the Google PC is still a phantom - no one quite knows quite when or where it will materialize or how much it will cost .
Chrome 's value seems utterly dependent on cheap - reliable - universal - broadband .
I am not sure we are there yet.Of course , one reason why the retailer is Microsoft friendly is the prospect of significant aftermarket sales.Hardware , software , peripherals .
Inks and papers.That helps keep the price of the Windows PC competitive - and it raises the question of whether retailers will make an all-out push for the next generation network appliance .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last April, Microsoft argued that it controlled the netbook OS market for devices sold in certain Microsoft-friendly US retail stores, while ABI Research claims that Linux actually has 32\% of the worldwide netbook market, and that its market-share is growing The Microsoft friendly shop is damn near every office supply house or general merchandise outlet in the states with four walls and a roof.Walmart carried the flag for Linux in big box retail for ten years.
This holiday season it is all Windows: Entry level for a full size brand-name 64 bit Win 7 Premium laptop is $350.
Acer 15.6" AS5517-5136 Laptop PC [walmart.com] That may come as an eye-opener for the geek.The ARM netbook like the Google PC is still a phantom - no one quite knows quite when or where it will materialize or how much it will cost.
Chrome's value seems utterly dependent on cheap - reliable - universal - broadband.
I am not sure we are there yet.Of course, one reason why the retailer is Microsoft friendly is the prospect of significant aftermarket sales.Hardware, software, peripherals.
Inks and papers.That helps keep the price of the Windows PC competitive - and it raises the question of whether retailers will make an all-out push for the next generation network appliance.
   </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30417844</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260616920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Astroturfing troll much? Here, I'll go point by point.</p><p>Of course it doesn't use their EXISTING games and apps. It's a whole new system. That's like complaining that your new Civic doesn't use the same parts as you had bought for your Ford Focus. Basically, no shit Sherlock.</p><p>Anyone can use GMail with any ISP's mail system. Figure it out.</p><p>Oh, I'm glad to hear that a $1000+ Apple Macbook works "perfectly fine" for elementary browsing. Hope she got the local taxpayers' money worth out of it vs a $100 ARM-based system.</p><p>Your post is without any real points. Try again later.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Astroturfing troll much ?
Here , I 'll go point by point.Of course it does n't use their EXISTING games and apps .
It 's a whole new system .
That 's like complaining that your new Civic does n't use the same parts as you had bought for your Ford Focus .
Basically , no shit Sherlock.Anyone can use GMail with any ISP 's mail system .
Figure it out.Oh , I 'm glad to hear that a $ 1000 + Apple Macbook works " perfectly fine " for elementary browsing .
Hope she got the local taxpayers ' money worth out of it vs a $ 100 ARM-based system.Your post is without any real points .
Try again later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Astroturfing troll much?
Here, I'll go point by point.Of course it doesn't use their EXISTING games and apps.
It's a whole new system.
That's like complaining that your new Civic doesn't use the same parts as you had bought for your Ford Focus.
Basically, no shit Sherlock.Anyone can use GMail with any ISP's mail system.
Figure it out.Oh, I'm glad to hear that a $1000+ Apple Macbook works "perfectly fine" for elementary browsing.
Hope she got the local taxpayers' money worth out of it vs a $100 ARM-based system.Your post is without any real points.
Try again later.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416320</id>
	<title>Re:ARM-Powered Laptops To Increase Linux Market Sh</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1260649980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now, if they meant always on, if I had a kid I'd much rather give him a nice $1000 laptop rather than a crap laptop and $500+/year cellular data subscription.</p></div><p>LoL, you would give a child a $1000 laptop... You must be some kind of idiot...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , if they meant always on , if I had a kid I 'd much rather give him a nice $ 1000 laptop rather than a crap laptop and $ 500 + /year cellular data subscription.LoL , you would give a child a $ 1000 laptop... You must be some kind of idiot.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, if they meant always on, if I had a kid I'd much rather give him a nice $1000 laptop rather than a crap laptop and $500+/year cellular data subscription.LoL, you would give a child a $1000 laptop... You must be some kind of idiot...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415586</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30428586</id>
	<title>"apps" means you're a Microsoft whore</title>
	<author>ReedYoung</author>
	<datestamp>1260820860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's as simple as that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's as simple as that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's as simple as that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30415594</id>
	<title>Netbook World Summit, Wow</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1260644700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now we have special world summits for underpowered laptops.  Innovation!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now we have special world summits for underpowered laptops .
Innovation !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now we have special world summits for underpowered laptops.
Innovation!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30418256</id>
	<title>Re:ARM-Powered Laptops To Increase Linux Market Sh</title>
	<author>cenc</author>
	<datestamp>1260620580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ummmm, that sounds like Ubuntu's problem (likly on your particular hardware), not a problem of linux or any of the hundreds of other distros that I know of.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ummmm , that sounds like Ubuntu 's problem ( likly on your particular hardware ) , not a problem of linux or any of the hundreds of other distros that I know of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ummmm, that sounds like Ubuntu's problem (likly on your particular hardware), not a problem of linux or any of the hundreds of other distros that I know of.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30420730</id>
	<title>Re:OS is nothing. Apps are everything.</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1260646440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I have a feeling that they are gonna have to warn folks at retail or have a lot of these things get returned when folks that don't know about anything but Windows</i> </p><p>This is exactly what happened at Walmart.com just before they closed out their Linux inventory.</p><p>It had got to the point where every Linux PC was black-flagged by a Crime-Scene Yellow banner in bold type:</p><p> "This PC will not run your Windows software."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a feeling that they are gon na have to warn folks at retail or have a lot of these things get returned when folks that do n't know about anything but Windows This is exactly what happened at Walmart.com just before they closed out their Linux inventory.It had got to the point where every Linux PC was black-flagged by a Crime-Scene Yellow banner in bold type : " This PC will not run your Windows software .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a feeling that they are gonna have to warn folks at retail or have a lot of these things get returned when folks that don't know about anything but Windows This is exactly what happened at Walmart.com just before they closed out their Linux inventory.It had got to the point where every Linux PC was black-flagged by a Crime-Scene Yellow banner in bold type: "This PC will not run your Windows software.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416352</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30417600</id>
	<title>Re:Except Chrome OS is shit.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260615240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The crucial difference between Chrome OS and the iPhone OS is that the iPhone OS was for a new hardware platform (phones) on which existing operating systems sucked. Chrome OS is for netbooks and laptops, where there already very established OSes and applications (Windows and Mac OS). You can already get a netbook today with Windows on it and an 8-hour battery life for $300. Maybe Chrome OS boots faster... so what. With an 8-hour battery life, you can just put your laptop to sleep and it will wake up in a couple of seconds, with negligible impact on the battery (ask anyone who has a Macbook; it takes over a day of sleeping to drain the battery even on the older ones).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The crucial difference between Chrome OS and the iPhone OS is that the iPhone OS was for a new hardware platform ( phones ) on which existing operating systems sucked .
Chrome OS is for netbooks and laptops , where there already very established OSes and applications ( Windows and Mac OS ) .
You can already get a netbook today with Windows on it and an 8-hour battery life for $ 300 .
Maybe Chrome OS boots faster... so what .
With an 8-hour battery life , you can just put your laptop to sleep and it will wake up in a couple of seconds , with negligible impact on the battery ( ask anyone who has a Macbook ; it takes over a day of sleeping to drain the battery even on the older ones ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The crucial difference between Chrome OS and the iPhone OS is that the iPhone OS was for a new hardware platform (phones) on which existing operating systems sucked.
Chrome OS is for netbooks and laptops, where there already very established OSes and applications (Windows and Mac OS).
You can already get a netbook today with Windows on it and an 8-hour battery life for $300.
Maybe Chrome OS boots faster... so what.
With an 8-hour battery life, you can just put your laptop to sleep and it will wake up in a couple of seconds, with negligible impact on the battery (ask anyone who has a Macbook; it takes over a day of sleeping to drain the battery even on the older ones).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_12_1627205.30416256</id>
	<title>Re:ARM slow</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1260649620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, your choice. $150 and slow, or $600 and fast. Or anything in between.</p><p>And nobody will argue, that having the choice is a bad thing.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>I, for one, will just buy a dozen of those for $150, and build a Beowulf cluster and a Password Swordfish style screen out of them!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D<br>They will *still* have a better price/performance ratio than your PC. ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , your choice .
$ 150 and slow , or $ 600 and fast .
Or anything in between.And nobody will argue , that having the choice is a bad thing .
: ) I , for one , will just buy a dozen of those for $ 150 , and build a Beowulf cluster and a Password Swordfish style screen out of them !
: DThey will * still * have a better price/performance ratio than your PC .
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, your choice.
$150 and slow, or $600 and fast.
Or anything in between.And nobody will argue, that having the choice is a bad thing.
:)I, for one, will just buy a dozen of those for $150, and build a Beowulf cluster and a Password Swordfish style screen out of them!
:DThey will *still* have a better price/performance ratio than your PC.
^^</sentencetext>
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