<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_08_0028237</id>
	<title>Linux Reaches 32\% Netbook Market Share</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1260284820000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:einfeldtNO@SPAMdigitaltippingpoint.com" rel="nofollow">christian.einfeldt</a> writes <i>"Linux netbooks have captured <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140343/Linux\_s\_share\_of\_netbooks\_surging\_not\_sagging\_says\_analyst">32\% of the global netbook market</a>, says Jeff Orr, an analyst with consumer computer research firm ABI Research. The largest share of netbook sales is in the Asia-Pacific region, including Japan, Australia, and New Zealand, according to Orr. ABI's latest figures align with a statement by Dell executives in February of this year, to the effect that Linux netbooks comprised about <a href="//hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/02/24/1637240/1-of-3-Dell-Inspiron-Mini-Netbooks-Sold-With-Linux">33\% of Dell shipments of Dell Inspiron mini 9s netbooks</a>. These data points cast doubt on claims by Microsoft that Windows XP has captured 98\% of the netbook market (a figure Microsoft later revised to 93\%). In an interview with DesktopLinux.com, Orr made clear that the 32\% Linux netbook market share <a href="http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6889644915.html">did not include either user-installed Linux</a> or dual-boot systems, but was confined to just pre-installed Linux shipments."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>christian.einfeldt writes " Linux netbooks have captured 32 \ % of the global netbook market , says Jeff Orr , an analyst with consumer computer research firm ABI Research .
The largest share of netbook sales is in the Asia-Pacific region , including Japan , Australia , and New Zealand , according to Orr .
ABI 's latest figures align with a statement by Dell executives in February of this year , to the effect that Linux netbooks comprised about 33 \ % of Dell shipments of Dell Inspiron mini 9s netbooks .
These data points cast doubt on claims by Microsoft that Windows XP has captured 98 \ % of the netbook market ( a figure Microsoft later revised to 93 \ % ) .
In an interview with DesktopLinux.com , Orr made clear that the 32 \ % Linux netbook market share did not include either user-installed Linux or dual-boot systems , but was confined to just pre-installed Linux shipments .
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<sentencetext>christian.einfeldt writes "Linux netbooks have captured 32\% of the global netbook market, says Jeff Orr, an analyst with consumer computer research firm ABI Research.
The largest share of netbook sales is in the Asia-Pacific region, including Japan, Australia, and New Zealand, according to Orr.
ABI's latest figures align with a statement by Dell executives in February of this year, to the effect that Linux netbooks comprised about 33\% of Dell shipments of Dell Inspiron mini 9s netbooks.
These data points cast doubt on claims by Microsoft that Windows XP has captured 98\% of the netbook market (a figure Microsoft later revised to 93\%).
In an interview with DesktopLinux.com, Orr made clear that the 32\% Linux netbook market share did not include either user-installed Linux or dual-boot systems, but was confined to just pre-installed Linux shipments.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363642</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>nick\_urbanik</author>
	<datestamp>1260276060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I live in Australia, and find it quite rare to find Linux based netbooks in shops.</p></div><p>Indeed; in Sydney I was told at the shops (that I had time to check) that only Windows was available on the Eee PC 1000.  I bought one, formatted the disk and installed Fedora 12 and am very pleased with the result.  It'll be handy at the <a href="http://www.lca2010.org.nz/" title="lca2010.org.nz">Linux Conf in Wellington</a> [lca2010.org.nz] next month.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Australia , and find it quite rare to find Linux based netbooks in shops.Indeed ; in Sydney I was told at the shops ( that I had time to check ) that only Windows was available on the Eee PC 1000 .
I bought one , formatted the disk and installed Fedora 12 and am very pleased with the result .
It 'll be handy at the Linux Conf in Wellington [ lca2010.org.nz ] next month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Australia, and find it quite rare to find Linux based netbooks in shops.Indeed; in Sydney I was told at the shops (that I had time to check) that only Windows was available on the Eee PC 1000.
I bought one, formatted the disk and installed Fedora 12 and am very pleased with the result.
It'll be handy at the Linux Conf in Wellington [lca2010.org.nz] next month.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30418430</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>LordVader717</author>
	<datestamp>1260622500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I purchased mine shortly after the mini9 series was launched, and the choice was either an 8GB version with Ubuntu, or a 16GB version with XP. I bought the 16 GB one and installed Ubuntu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I purchased mine shortly after the mini9 series was launched , and the choice was either an 8GB version with Ubuntu , or a 16GB version with XP .
I bought the 16 GB one and installed Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I purchased mine shortly after the mini9 series was launched, and the choice was either an 8GB version with Ubuntu, or a 16GB version with XP.
I bought the 16 GB one and installed Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362032</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>JohnBailey</author>
	<datestamp>1260210780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why would someone purchase a linux based laptop at around equal price as a windows one to go through the extra steps to avoid paying $7 for a Windows XP Home License ?</p></div><p>So insecure Windows fanboys can feel better about themselves..</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would someone purchase a linux based laptop at around equal price as a windows one to go through the extra steps to avoid paying $ 7 for a Windows XP Home License ? So insecure Windows fanboys can feel better about themselves. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would someone purchase a linux based laptop at around equal price as a windows one to go through the extra steps to avoid paying $7 for a Windows XP Home License ?So insecure Windows fanboys can feel better about themselves..
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363006</id>
	<title>Re:My experiences</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260266520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My experience:<br>- Windows machines are about $15 more expensive. That's not much, and not nearly as much as boxed version of Windows.<br>- The first thing you do with a new Netbook is reinstalling the OS to one of your choice.<br>- XP is unusable on low-to-middle end netbooks. It is just far too slow. Ubuntu Netbook remix runs adequately. So XP is a reasonable choice only for people with high-end netbooks and for people who require it for their work (but low-to-middle end netbooks are a bad choice for them then.)</p><p>Interestingly, I have two netbooks. The one I use daily for all purposes as desktop runs Linux. The one I use as low-power server runs Windows. Stripped down from all the extra services and prettifiers it runs reasonably fast, and uTorrent is still superior to anything Linux has to offer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My experience : - Windows machines are about $ 15 more expensive .
That 's not much , and not nearly as much as boxed version of Windows.- The first thing you do with a new Netbook is reinstalling the OS to one of your choice.- XP is unusable on low-to-middle end netbooks .
It is just far too slow .
Ubuntu Netbook remix runs adequately .
So XP is a reasonable choice only for people with high-end netbooks and for people who require it for their work ( but low-to-middle end netbooks are a bad choice for them then .
) Interestingly , I have two netbooks .
The one I use daily for all purposes as desktop runs Linux .
The one I use as low-power server runs Windows .
Stripped down from all the extra services and prettifiers it runs reasonably fast , and uTorrent is still superior to anything Linux has to offer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My experience:- Windows machines are about $15 more expensive.
That's not much, and not nearly as much as boxed version of Windows.- The first thing you do with a new Netbook is reinstalling the OS to one of your choice.- XP is unusable on low-to-middle end netbooks.
It is just far too slow.
Ubuntu Netbook remix runs adequately.
So XP is a reasonable choice only for people with high-end netbooks and for people who require it for their work (but low-to-middle end netbooks are a bad choice for them then.
)Interestingly, I have two netbooks.
The one I use daily for all purposes as desktop runs Linux.
The one I use as low-power server runs Windows.
Stripped down from all the extra services and prettifiers it runs reasonably fast, and uTorrent is still superior to anything Linux has to offer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363512</id>
	<title>Re:What KIND of Linux?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260274500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The primary OS \_is\_ Windows, buti it doesn't boot. Why? I don't know neigther does the user, but since it has preboot linux, it can be used. Praise google docs and online backups (be it in gmail or somewhere else).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The primary OS \ _is \ _ Windows , buti it does n't boot .
Why ? I do n't know neigther does the user , but since it has preboot linux , it can be used .
Praise google docs and online backups ( be it in gmail or somewhere else ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The primary OS \_is\_ Windows, buti it doesn't boot.
Why? I don't know neigther does the user, but since it has preboot linux, it can be used.
Praise google docs and online backups (be it in gmail or somewhere else).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30365612</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>hmar</author>
	<datestamp>1260289380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you are looking at a difference of a few dozen linux installs and thousands of Windows installs, then certainly your own comfort level and experience with windows installs must color your perceptions on this. I when I install linux, more of my hardware just works from the gate, but the stuff that doesn't work more than makes up for it with difficulty level. I would call the two experiences (Windows install vs Linux install)
Again, I also have vastly more experience with Windows than with Linux, so I would expect the difficulty gap to close as my own use of the system starts to catch up to Windows, whereas I would say I am probably at this point as proficient at installing Windows as I will ever get, so eventually I would expect to find Linux easier to install in the long run.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are looking at a difference of a few dozen linux installs and thousands of Windows installs , then certainly your own comfort level and experience with windows installs must color your perceptions on this .
I when I install linux , more of my hardware just works from the gate , but the stuff that does n't work more than makes up for it with difficulty level .
I would call the two experiences ( Windows install vs Linux install ) Again , I also have vastly more experience with Windows than with Linux , so I would expect the difficulty gap to close as my own use of the system starts to catch up to Windows , whereas I would say I am probably at this point as proficient at installing Windows as I will ever get , so eventually I would expect to find Linux easier to install in the long run .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are looking at a difference of a few dozen linux installs and thousands of Windows installs, then certainly your own comfort level and experience with windows installs must color your perceptions on this.
I when I install linux, more of my hardware just works from the gate, but the stuff that doesn't work more than makes up for it with difficulty level.
I would call the two experiences (Windows install vs Linux install)
Again, I also have vastly more experience with Windows than with Linux, so I would expect the difficulty gap to close as my own use of the system starts to catch up to Windows, whereas I would say I am probably at this point as proficient at installing Windows as I will ever get, so eventually I would expect to find Linux easier to install in the long run.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361342</id>
	<title>interesting they would pick the dell mini 9... Arr</title>
	<author>bombastinator</author>
	<datestamp>1260204120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Funny that their favorite computer is the Dell Mini 9.  It's not a very advanced machine, to the point that it een got discontinued once.<br>They brought it back though because it is very popular for the single reason that it has a reputation as being the most hackintoshable netbook there is.  This implies that a lot of these netbooks are running more MacOS than linux.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny that their favorite computer is the Dell Mini 9 .
It 's not a very advanced machine , to the point that it een got discontinued once.They brought it back though because it is very popular for the single reason that it has a reputation as being the most hackintoshable netbook there is .
This implies that a lot of these netbooks are running more MacOS than linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny that their favorite computer is the Dell Mini 9.
It's not a very advanced machine, to the point that it een got discontinued once.They brought it back though because it is very popular for the single reason that it has a reputation as being the most hackintoshable netbook there is.
This implies that a lot of these netbooks are running more MacOS than linux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30365794</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1260290160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Through <a href="http://www.gaikai.com/" title="gaikai.com">GaiKai</a> [gaikai.com] or <a href="http://www.onlive.com/" title="onlive.com">OnLive</a> [onlive.com], sure. Keep watching for the release.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Through GaiKai [ gaikai.com ] or OnLive [ onlive.com ] , sure .
Keep watching for the release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Through GaiKai [gaikai.com] or OnLive [onlive.com], sure.
Keep watching for the release.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361660</id>
	<title>Re:Oh really?</title>
	<author>jedidiah</author>
	<datestamp>1260206700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows: Because a Netbook was made for running Cubase!</p><p>That giggling sound is the average Windows laughing at you. Although they aren't sure why they're laughing because they don't really know what you're talking about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows : Because a Netbook was made for running Cubase ! That giggling sound is the average Windows laughing at you .
Although they are n't sure why they 're laughing because they do n't really know what you 're talking about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows: Because a Netbook was made for running Cubase!That giggling sound is the average Windows laughing at you.
Although they aren't sure why they're laughing because they don't really know what you're talking about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361276</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260203640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sadly, I have to agree. Although a lot of places carried the original eee pc with Xandros and a few carried the Acer Aspire One with Linpus LINUX netbooks with LINUX are now impossible to find in Australia - even in Melbourne. I've asked lots of retailers and they all say that they can't obtain anything with LINUX.</p><p>FWIW, I find Australians don't like tinkering with technology and are bit insecure. They do love gadgets like iphones. In fact, where they do avoid MS they tend to go for Macs. I remember reading somewhere that Australians buy a larger per capita number of Macs than other countries and my informal personal observations align with this.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly , I have to agree .
Although a lot of places carried the original eee pc with Xandros and a few carried the Acer Aspire One with Linpus LINUX netbooks with LINUX are now impossible to find in Australia - even in Melbourne .
I 've asked lots of retailers and they all say that they ca n't obtain anything with LINUX.FWIW , I find Australians do n't like tinkering with technology and are bit insecure .
They do love gadgets like iphones .
In fact , where they do avoid MS they tend to go for Macs .
I remember reading somewhere that Australians buy a larger per capita number of Macs than other countries and my informal personal observations align with this .
: - (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly, I have to agree.
Although a lot of places carried the original eee pc with Xandros and a few carried the Acer Aspire One with Linpus LINUX netbooks with LINUX are now impossible to find in Australia - even in Melbourne.
I've asked lots of retailers and they all say that they can't obtain anything with LINUX.FWIW, I find Australians don't like tinkering with technology and are bit insecure.
They do love gadgets like iphones.
In fact, where they do avoid MS they tend to go for Macs.
I remember reading somewhere that Australians buy a larger per capita number of Macs than other countries and my informal personal observations align with this.
:-(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361272</id>
	<title>*BSD is Dying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260203640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>It is now official. Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying</b>  <br> <br>
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD
community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped
yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all
servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which
plainly states that <b>*BSD has lost more market share</b>,
this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD
is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by <a href="http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1148/sam0107a/0107a.htm" title="samag.com" rel="nofollow">failing
dead last</a> [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive
networking test.  <br> <br> You don't need to be the <a href="http://www.amazingkreskin.com/" title="amazingkreskin.com" rel="nofollow"> <b>Amazing Kreskin</b> </a> [amazingkreskin.com] to
predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a
bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because
<b>*BSD is dying</b>. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of
us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows
like a river of blood.  <br> <br> FreeBSD is the most endangered of them
all, having lost 93\% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant
departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith
only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be
any doubt: <b>FreeBSD is dying</b>.  <br> <br> Let's keep to the facts and
look at the numbers.  <br> <br> OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are
7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The
number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5
to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts
on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there
are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80
percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400
FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
<br> <br> Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on,
<b>FreeBSD went out of business</b> and was taken over by BSDI who sell
another troubled OS.  <b>Now BSDI is also dead</b>, its corpse turned
over to yet another charnel house.  <br> <br> All major surveys show that
*BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its
long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all
it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing
short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical
purposes, *BSD is dead.  <br> <br> <b>Fact: *BSD is dying</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is now official .
Netcraft confirms : * BSD is dying One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered * BSD community when IDC confirmed that * BSD market share has dropped yet again , now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers .
Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that * BSD has lost more market share , this news serves to reinforce what we 've known all along .
* BSD is collapsing in complete disarray , as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [ samag.com ] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test .
You do n't need to be the Amazing Kreskin [ amazingkreskin.com ] to predict * BSD 's future .
The hand writing is on the wall : * BSD faces a bleak future .
In fact there wo n't be any future at all for * BSD because * BSD is dying .
Things are looking very bad for * BSD .
As many of us are already aware , * BSD continues to lose market share .
Red ink flows like a river of blood .
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all , having lost 93 \ % of its core developers .
The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly .
There can no longer be any doubt : FreeBSD is dying .
Let 's keep to the facts and look at the numbers .
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD .
How many users of NetBSD are there ?
Let 's see .
The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1 .
Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users .
BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts .
Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS .
A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the * BSD market .
Therefore there are ( 7000 + 1400 + 700 ) * 4 = 36400 FreeBSD users .
This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts .
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek , abysmal sales and so on , FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS .
Now BSDI is also dead , its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house .
All major surveys show that * BSD has steadily declined in market share .
* BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim .
If * BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers .
* BSD continues to decay .
Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time .
For all practical purposes , * BSD is dead .
Fact : * BSD is dying</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is now official.
Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying   
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD
community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped
yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all
servers.
Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which
plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share,
this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along.
*BSD
is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing
dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive
networking test.
You don't need to be the  Amazing Kreskin  [amazingkreskin.com] to
predict *BSD's future.
The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a
bleak future.
In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because
*BSD is dying.
Things are looking very bad for *BSD.
As many of
us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share.
Red ink flows
like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them
all, having lost 93\% of its core developers.
The sudden and unpleasant
departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith
only serve to underscore the point more clearly.
There can no longer be
any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and
look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are
7000 users of OpenBSD.
How many users of NetBSD are there?
Let's see.
The
number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5
to 1.
Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users.
BSD/OS posts
on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts.
Therefore there
are about 700 users of BSD/OS.
A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80
percent of the *BSD market.
Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400
FreeBSD users.
This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on,
FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell
another troubled OS.
Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned
over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that
*BSD has steadily declined in market share.
*BSD is very sick and its
long term survival prospects are very dim.
If *BSD is to survive at all
it will be among OS dilettante dabblers.
*BSD continues to decay.
Nothing
short of a miracle could save it at this point in time.
For all practical
purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30364028</id>
	<title>Re:My experiences</title>
	<author>kcfoxie</author>
	<datestamp>1260281280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My Asus 1000 40GB SSD/Linux was $56 cheaper, retail, than the 160GB 1000H units (I own a white and black one) with WinXP preinstalled. Other than the storage disk these are identical devices.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My Asus 1000 40GB SSD/Linux was $ 56 cheaper , retail , than the 160GB 1000H units ( I own a white and black one ) with WinXP preinstalled .
Other than the storage disk these are identical devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Asus 1000 40GB SSD/Linux was $56 cheaper, retail, than the 160GB 1000H units (I own a white and black one) with WinXP preinstalled.
Other than the storage disk these are identical devices.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30364708</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>Halotron1</author>
	<datestamp>1260285480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the previous<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. article linked above "statement by Dell executives in February of this year, to the effect that Linux netbooks comprised about 33\% of Dell shipments of Dell Inspiron mini 9s netbooks"</p><p><i>Dell senior product manager John New attributed the sales volume to the lower price point of the Ubuntu Linux machines</i></p><p>Looks like the price is about the same now for Dell's netbooks whether you get Linux or Windows, but in February it may have been $50 cheaper to get Linux and install a "free" copy of Windows.  Plus if you want the ARM processor.</p><p>Anyways, it's useful to point out that these are "projections" and "forecasts".</p><p>It would be great to find out in Jan 2010 if these numbers came true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the previous / .
article linked above " statement by Dell executives in February of this year , to the effect that Linux netbooks comprised about 33 \ % of Dell shipments of Dell Inspiron mini 9s netbooks " Dell senior product manager John New attributed the sales volume to the lower price point of the Ubuntu Linux machinesLooks like the price is about the same now for Dell 's netbooks whether you get Linux or Windows , but in February it may have been $ 50 cheaper to get Linux and install a " free " copy of Windows .
Plus if you want the ARM processor.Anyways , it 's useful to point out that these are " projections " and " forecasts " .It would be great to find out in Jan 2010 if these numbers came true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the previous /.
article linked above "statement by Dell executives in February of this year, to the effect that Linux netbooks comprised about 33\% of Dell shipments of Dell Inspiron mini 9s netbooks"Dell senior product manager John New attributed the sales volume to the lower price point of the Ubuntu Linux machinesLooks like the price is about the same now for Dell's netbooks whether you get Linux or Windows, but in February it may have been $50 cheaper to get Linux and install a "free" copy of Windows.
Plus if you want the ARM processor.Anyways, it's useful to point out that these are "projections" and "forecasts".It would be great to find out in Jan 2010 if these numbers came true.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30373486</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>AnonymousPinhead</author>
	<datestamp>1260286140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>show me where you can get a XP home license for $7 dolars and ill buy 500 of them just to make money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>show me where you can get a XP home license for $ 7 dolars and ill buy 500 of them just to make money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>show me where you can get a XP home license for $7 dolars and ill buy 500 of them just to make money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361296</id>
	<title>I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>RichardDeVries</author>
	<datestamp>1260203760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a Linux user myself, but I just installed XP on a common desktop box tonight and it was painful. Wifi, sound didn't work out of the box, you have to wait ages for all of the updates and SP's to download and install, reboot far too many times and then you have a empty OS almost without useful apps. Some things were hard to get working (Radeon driver installer throwing errors, Wifi driver refusing to work).<br>
I wonder how many 'average' users would get XP, Vista or 7 working on a desktop, let alone a netbook.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a Linux user myself , but I just installed XP on a common desktop box tonight and it was painful .
Wifi , sound did n't work out of the box , you have to wait ages for all of the updates and SP 's to download and install , reboot far too many times and then you have a empty OS almost without useful apps .
Some things were hard to get working ( Radeon driver installer throwing errors , Wifi driver refusing to work ) .
I wonder how many 'average ' users would get XP , Vista or 7 working on a desktop , let alone a netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a Linux user myself, but I just installed XP on a common desktop box tonight and it was painful.
Wifi, sound didn't work out of the box, you have to wait ages for all of the updates and SP's to download and install, reboot far too many times and then you have a empty OS almost without useful apps.
Some things were hard to get working (Radeon driver installer throwing errors, Wifi driver refusing to work).
I wonder how many 'average' users would get XP, Vista or 7 working on a desktop, let alone a netbook.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361966</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>Mad Merlin</author>
	<datestamp>1260210060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I wonder how many 'average' users would get XP, Vista or 7 working on a desktop, let alone a netbook.</p></div></blockquote><p>None. But it doesn't matter, because it comes preinstalled anyways.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how many 'average ' users would get XP , Vista or 7 working on a desktop , let alone a netbook.None .
But it does n't matter , because it comes preinstalled anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how many 'average' users would get XP, Vista or 7 working on a desktop, let alone a netbook.None.
But it doesn't matter, because it comes preinstalled anyways.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361200</id>
	<title>This Just In:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260203100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"31\% of Netbooks Running Pirated Windows"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" 31 \ % of Netbooks Running Pirated Windows "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"31\% of Netbooks Running Pirated Windows"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363876</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>BlueAdept</author>
	<datestamp>1260279120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about all the people like me who bought laptops and netbooks with Windows and put Linux on instead?,,, I have copies of XP Home, and Vista Ultimate that I can't refund, and the laptops are not available without Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about all the people like me who bought laptops and netbooks with Windows and put Linux on instead ? ,, , I have copies of XP Home , and Vista Ultimate that I ca n't refund , and the laptops are not available without Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about all the people like me who bought laptops and netbooks with Windows and put Linux on instead?,,, I have copies of XP Home, and Vista Ultimate that I can't refund, and the laptops are not available without Windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361372</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>asit</author>
	<datestamp>1260204360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>hiiiiiiiiii
dear friend's i read your comment's and post's they are nice and effective but i want to know more about something if you tell me some more imfo. or data about this it's very nice to me and thank's a lot dear.............
<a href="http://www.divineflowers.ca/" title="divineflowers.ca" rel="nofollow">Vancouver Flowers</a> [divineflowers.ca]--Vancouver Flowers</htmltext>
<tokenext>hiiiiiiiiii dear friend 's i read your comment 's and post 's they are nice and effective but i want to know more about something if you tell me some more imfo .
or data about this it 's very nice to me and thank 's a lot dear............ . Vancouver Flowers [ divineflowers.ca ] --Vancouver Flowers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hiiiiiiiiii
dear friend's i read your comment's and post's they are nice and effective but i want to know more about something if you tell me some more imfo.
or data about this it's very nice to me and thank's a lot dear.............
Vancouver Flowers [divineflowers.ca]--Vancouver Flowers</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362470</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260215760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They wouldn't. When 98\% of people aren't capable of installing an operating system it means that the other 2\% would have to do it for them. The other 2\% are people who don't want to do it or are charging $200 a pop to do it. You really think people pirate MS Windows to the extent that people claim? It just isn't the case. The developing nations of the world have organizations that don't pay Microsoft to license MS Windows. This is how 'pirated' versions of Microsoft Windows get installed. It isn't after the fact. It is a lack of copyright enforcement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They would n't .
When 98 \ % of people are n't capable of installing an operating system it means that the other 2 \ % would have to do it for them .
The other 2 \ % are people who do n't want to do it or are charging $ 200 a pop to do it .
You really think people pirate MS Windows to the extent that people claim ?
It just is n't the case .
The developing nations of the world have organizations that do n't pay Microsoft to license MS Windows .
This is how 'pirated ' versions of Microsoft Windows get installed .
It is n't after the fact .
It is a lack of copyright enforcement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They wouldn't.
When 98\% of people aren't capable of installing an operating system it means that the other 2\% would have to do it for them.
The other 2\% are people who don't want to do it or are charging $200 a pop to do it.
You really think people pirate MS Windows to the extent that people claim?
It just isn't the case.
The developing nations of the world have organizations that don't pay Microsoft to license MS Windows.
This is how 'pirated' versions of Microsoft Windows get installed.
It isn't after the fact.
It is a lack of copyright enforcement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362772</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1260263400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What? So they <em>literally</em> ship Windows?</p><p>By why go on the high seas and capture a ship, when you can simply <em>download</em> it?</p><p>Or are you a **AA FUD drone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What ?
So they literally ship Windows ? By why go on the high seas and capture a ship , when you can simply download it ? Or are you a * * AA FUD drone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What?
So they literally ship Windows?By why go on the high seas and capture a ship, when you can simply download it?Or are you a **AA FUD drone?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361794</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260208260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That said, anyone who is really interested in Linux would not be satisfied with the simplified versions that come with netbooks.</p></div><p>That's true of the Aspire One anyway.  The graphical environment that came with mine was a joke compared to even xfce.  Prior to that I figured claims about people exchanging Linux netbooks on mass for XP were exaggerated, but on seeing it I had to wonder.  If my only choice was that or XP, even I'd want XP, and I'm a registered fanatical Micro$oft basher.  Fortunately it wasn't difficult to put xubuntu on it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That said , anyone who is really interested in Linux would not be satisfied with the simplified versions that come with netbooks.That 's true of the Aspire One anyway .
The graphical environment that came with mine was a joke compared to even xfce .
Prior to that I figured claims about people exchanging Linux netbooks on mass for XP were exaggerated , but on seeing it I had to wonder .
If my only choice was that or XP , even I 'd want XP , and I 'm a registered fanatical Micro $ oft basher .
Fortunately it was n't difficult to put xubuntu on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That said, anyone who is really interested in Linux would not be satisfied with the simplified versions that come with netbooks.That's true of the Aspire One anyway.
The graphical environment that came with mine was a joke compared to even xfce.
Prior to that I figured claims about people exchanging Linux netbooks on mass for XP were exaggerated, but on seeing it I had to wonder.
If my only choice was that or XP, even I'd want XP, and I'm a registered fanatical Micro$oft basher.
Fortunately it wasn't difficult to put xubuntu on it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30387008</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to find Linux Netbooks in Japan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260453300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Masa ni sono toori. Nihon de, muryou to ittemo mise ha mattaku kyoumi nai... ha-do no se-rusu wo shigeki suru noni. Hanbai ni oite tennin no doryoku ga hitsuyou nara arari ha jyouken desu! Soreto nihonjin ha burando ga suki. Fukusou gurai nara unikuro no you na teikakaku no mise ga seiko dekiru kedo, tekku kanren no mono nara yappa kyaku ha burando no hou ga anshin da ne.</p><p>Couldn't agree more. In Japan if its free stores aren't interested, even if it may enhance hardware sales. As far as sales go, if it requires any effort to sell on the behalf of attendants to then profit is a must. That and the fact that Japanese love brands. As far as something like clothes go, cheap stuff like Uniclo may succeed, but with anything tech-related customers go for the peace of mind of a brand item.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Masa ni sono toori .
Nihon de , muryou to ittemo mise ha mattaku kyoumi nai... ha-do no se-rusu wo shigeki suru noni .
Hanbai ni oite tennin no doryoku ga hitsuyou nara arari ha jyouken desu !
Soreto nihonjin ha burando ga suki .
Fukusou gurai nara unikuro no you na teikakaku no mise ga seiko dekiru kedo , tekku kanren no mono nara yappa kyaku ha burando no hou ga anshin da ne.Could n't agree more .
In Japan if its free stores are n't interested , even if it may enhance hardware sales .
As far as sales go , if it requires any effort to sell on the behalf of attendants to then profit is a must .
That and the fact that Japanese love brands .
As far as something like clothes go , cheap stuff like Uniclo may succeed , but with anything tech-related customers go for the peace of mind of a brand item .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Masa ni sono toori.
Nihon de, muryou to ittemo mise ha mattaku kyoumi nai... ha-do no se-rusu wo shigeki suru noni.
Hanbai ni oite tennin no doryoku ga hitsuyou nara arari ha jyouken desu!
Soreto nihonjin ha burando ga suki.
Fukusou gurai nara unikuro no you na teikakaku no mise ga seiko dekiru kedo, tekku kanren no mono nara yappa kyaku ha burando no hou ga anshin da ne.Couldn't agree more.
In Japan if its free stores aren't interested, even if it may enhance hardware sales.
As far as sales go, if it requires any effort to sell on the behalf of attendants to then profit is a must.
That and the fact that Japanese love brands.
As far as something like clothes go, cheap stuff like Uniclo may succeed, but with anything tech-related customers go for the peace of mind of a brand item.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361102</id>
	<title>Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260202140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14\% of people know that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , people can come up with statistics to prove anything , Kent .
14 \ % of people know that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent.
14\% of people know that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30480382</id>
	<title>Re:My experiences</title>
	<author>Synchis</author>
	<datestamp>1261049400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I disagree.</p><p>Bought a Dell Linux Netbook for my wife. Took careful note of the specs and the OS on each version of the netbook.</p><p>The windows version of her netbook was $100 more expensive.</p><p>The netbook came loaded with Ubuntu. Not dodgy, no headaches.</p><p>And there were at least 3-4 other models available with Linux pre-loaded.</p><p>Perhaps your just looking in the wrong place if what you say has been your experience. Because I seriously doubt that its the norm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree.Bought a Dell Linux Netbook for my wife .
Took careful note of the specs and the OS on each version of the netbook.The windows version of her netbook was $ 100 more expensive.The netbook came loaded with Ubuntu .
Not dodgy , no headaches.And there were at least 3-4 other models available with Linux pre-loaded.Perhaps your just looking in the wrong place if what you say has been your experience .
Because I seriously doubt that its the norm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree.Bought a Dell Linux Netbook for my wife.
Took careful note of the specs and the OS on each version of the netbook.The windows version of her netbook was $100 more expensive.The netbook came loaded with Ubuntu.
Not dodgy, no headaches.And there were at least 3-4 other models available with Linux pre-loaded.Perhaps your just looking in the wrong place if what you say has been your experience.
Because I seriously doubt that its the norm.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30373104</id>
	<title>Re:Oh really?</title>
	<author>foqn1bo</author>
	<datestamp>1260283020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So your assumption is that audio production is becoming an increasingly *smaller* niche of computer use?  With the number of DAWs, synths and sequencers continuing to rise on other platforms, what makes you think this is the case?  If it's a "vanishingly small" market, it wouldn't have made much sense for Apple to release Garageband, now would it?<br> <br>

Really, there is just no form of criticism of Linux that you people can take.  If the program in question is for a niche market, then it's irrelevant.  If it doesn't exist at all on Linux, we can do just fine without it, and have been, thank you very much.  If it's difficult to use, that's not because the software is badly designed, it's that the users are too stupid or accustomed to their existing tools to figure it out.  If the documentation is undecipherable (see recent Slashdot article), the user probably shouldn't be reading documentation anyway, as they're probably the kind of user that should just stick to browsers and email.  The list goes on and on and on and on and on.<br> <br>

The reason why people aren't using Linux en masse is that for your average user, Linux is simply a waste of time.  All the stuff that your crowd dismisses as irrelevant is stuff that, in the aggregate, matters a quite a lot to people.  What is a computing platform if not a collection of (sometimes big, sometimes small, sometimes overlapping) niches?  Who wants to recompile his kernel just to be able to get passable audio latency? On OS X I haven't had to think about that for...roughly the number of years since I migrated to it.  Who wants to deal with woefully inadequate documentation or turn to community message boards where half of the advice is wrong or misleading?  Who actually wants to spend more time fiddling with his OS than using it to produce content, or in the case of the non-musically-inclined such as yourself, "do something productive"?  Who wants to learn a poorly designed user interface (or better yet, deal with no interface whatsoever) for substandard clone of an existing commercial product when the original product works just fine? <br> <br>

The answer is people like you, and the miniscule market share of like-minded ultra-left-brained mega-dweebs that your insipid post reflects.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So your assumption is that audio production is becoming an increasingly * smaller * niche of computer use ?
With the number of DAWs , synths and sequencers continuing to rise on other platforms , what makes you think this is the case ?
If it 's a " vanishingly small " market , it would n't have made much sense for Apple to release Garageband , now would it ?
Really , there is just no form of criticism of Linux that you people can take .
If the program in question is for a niche market , then it 's irrelevant .
If it does n't exist at all on Linux , we can do just fine without it , and have been , thank you very much .
If it 's difficult to use , that 's not because the software is badly designed , it 's that the users are too stupid or accustomed to their existing tools to figure it out .
If the documentation is undecipherable ( see recent Slashdot article ) , the user probably should n't be reading documentation anyway , as they 're probably the kind of user that should just stick to browsers and email .
The list goes on and on and on and on and on .
The reason why people are n't using Linux en masse is that for your average user , Linux is simply a waste of time .
All the stuff that your crowd dismisses as irrelevant is stuff that , in the aggregate , matters a quite a lot to people .
What is a computing platform if not a collection of ( sometimes big , sometimes small , sometimes overlapping ) niches ?
Who wants to recompile his kernel just to be able to get passable audio latency ?
On OS X I have n't had to think about that for...roughly the number of years since I migrated to it .
Who wants to deal with woefully inadequate documentation or turn to community message boards where half of the advice is wrong or misleading ?
Who actually wants to spend more time fiddling with his OS than using it to produce content , or in the case of the non-musically-inclined such as yourself , " do something productive " ?
Who wants to learn a poorly designed user interface ( or better yet , deal with no interface whatsoever ) for substandard clone of an existing commercial product when the original product works just fine ?
The answer is people like you , and the miniscule market share of like-minded ultra-left-brained mega-dweebs that your insipid post reflects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So your assumption is that audio production is becoming an increasingly *smaller* niche of computer use?
With the number of DAWs, synths and sequencers continuing to rise on other platforms, what makes you think this is the case?
If it's a "vanishingly small" market, it wouldn't have made much sense for Apple to release Garageband, now would it?
Really, there is just no form of criticism of Linux that you people can take.
If the program in question is for a niche market, then it's irrelevant.
If it doesn't exist at all on Linux, we can do just fine without it, and have been, thank you very much.
If it's difficult to use, that's not because the software is badly designed, it's that the users are too stupid or accustomed to their existing tools to figure it out.
If the documentation is undecipherable (see recent Slashdot article), the user probably shouldn't be reading documentation anyway, as they're probably the kind of user that should just stick to browsers and email.
The list goes on and on and on and on and on.
The reason why people aren't using Linux en masse is that for your average user, Linux is simply a waste of time.
All the stuff that your crowd dismisses as irrelevant is stuff that, in the aggregate, matters a quite a lot to people.
What is a computing platform if not a collection of (sometimes big, sometimes small, sometimes overlapping) niches?
Who wants to recompile his kernel just to be able to get passable audio latency?
On OS X I haven't had to think about that for...roughly the number of years since I migrated to it.
Who wants to deal with woefully inadequate documentation or turn to community message boards where half of the advice is wrong or misleading?
Who actually wants to spend more time fiddling with his OS than using it to produce content, or in the case of the non-musically-inclined such as yourself, "do something productive"?
Who wants to learn a poorly designed user interface (or better yet, deal with no interface whatsoever) for substandard clone of an existing commercial product when the original product works just fine?
The answer is people like you, and the miniscule market share of like-minded ultra-left-brained mega-dweebs that your insipid post reflects.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361324</id>
	<title>definitions?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260204000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Nearly one-third of the 35 million netbooks on track to ship this year will come with some variant of the free, open-source operating system, ABI Research said."</p><p>"In a statement, Microsoft maintained that "over 93\% of worldwide small notebook PCs run Windows today."</p><p>1/3 of netbooks</p><p>93\% of small notebook PCs.</p><p>Does "small notebook PCs" include every 13 or 15" laptop on the planet?</p><p>statistics, statistics, statistics...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Nearly one-third of the 35 million netbooks on track to ship this year will come with some variant of the free , open-source operating system , ABI Research said .
" " In a statement , Microsoft maintained that " over 93 \ % of worldwide small notebook PCs run Windows today .
" 1/3 of netbooks93 \ % of small notebook PCs.Does " small notebook PCs " include every 13 or 15 " laptop on the planet ? statistics , statistics , statistics.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Nearly one-third of the 35 million netbooks on track to ship this year will come with some variant of the free, open-source operating system, ABI Research said.
""In a statement, Microsoft maintained that "over 93\% of worldwide small notebook PCs run Windows today.
"1/3 of netbooks93\% of small notebook PCs.Does "small notebook PCs" include every 13 or 15" laptop on the planet?statistics, statistics, statistics...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30367084</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1260295740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not the worst kind. Not even remotely. For example, Microsoft doesn't murder people, like union-busting monopolies in the past have.</p><p>Nothing to do with your point, but have a sense of perspective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not the worst kind .
Not even remotely .
For example , Microsoft does n't murder people , like union-busting monopolies in the past have.Nothing to do with your point , but have a sense of perspective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not the worst kind.
Not even remotely.
For example, Microsoft doesn't murder people, like union-busting monopolies in the past have.Nothing to do with your point, but have a sense of perspective.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361814</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260208500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since you don't seem very technical, here is a tip on the Radeon drivers:</p><p><i>Caution: The Catalyst(TM) Control Center requires that the Microsoft<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Framework SP1 be installed. Without<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET SP1 installed, the Catalyst(TM) Control Center will not launch properly and the user will see an error message. </i></p><p>That is what a linux person would call a 'dependency'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since you do n't seem very technical , here is a tip on the Radeon drivers : Caution : The Catalyst ( TM ) Control Center requires that the Microsoft .NET Framework SP1 be installed .
Without .NET SP1 installed , the Catalyst ( TM ) Control Center will not launch properly and the user will see an error message .
That is what a linux person would call a 'dependency' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since you don't seem very technical, here is a tip on the Radeon drivers:Caution: The Catalyst(TM) Control Center requires that the Microsoft .NET Framework SP1 be installed.
Without .NET SP1 installed, the Catalyst(TM) Control Center will not launch properly and the user will see an error message.
That is what a linux person would call a 'dependency'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363324</id>
	<title>You doubt it? So what?</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1260271980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are people that doubt evolution theory, the landing on the moon and global climate change.</p><p>There are people that will be presented all the necessary numbers, statistics, statements, and facts and still will chose to ignore the patently obvious.</p><p>So here we have, a company that has some hard facts about Linux penetration and most paople can only cast doubts in the numbers.</p><p>The amount of literature about Linux out there should give a clue about the position of the project on the psyche of people using computers. People still waiting for the year of Linux on the desktop just missed it, it was last year and now the task is consolidation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are people that doubt evolution theory , the landing on the moon and global climate change.There are people that will be presented all the necessary numbers , statistics , statements , and facts and still will chose to ignore the patently obvious.So here we have , a company that has some hard facts about Linux penetration and most paople can only cast doubts in the numbers.The amount of literature about Linux out there should give a clue about the position of the project on the psyche of people using computers .
People still waiting for the year of Linux on the desktop just missed it , it was last year and now the task is consolidation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are people that doubt evolution theory, the landing on the moon and global climate change.There are people that will be presented all the necessary numbers, statistics, statements, and facts and still will chose to ignore the patently obvious.So here we have, a company that has some hard facts about Linux penetration and most paople can only cast doubts in the numbers.The amount of literature about Linux out there should give a clue about the position of the project on the psyche of people using computers.
People still waiting for the year of Linux on the desktop just missed it, it was last year and now the task is consolidation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362128</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1260211860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm a Linux user myself, but I just installed XP on a common desktop box tonight and it was painful. Wifi, sound didn't work out of the box, you have to wait ages for all of the updates and SP's to download and install, reboot far too many times and then you have a empty OS almost without useful apps. Some things were hard to get working (Radeon driver installer throwing errors, Wifi driver refusing to work).<br>I wonder how many 'average' users would get XP, Vista or 7 working on a desktop, let alone a netbook.</p></div><p>XP is dated now, and its built-in "let me search the Internets" driver thingy doesn't really work (in all my time using XP - which is since it still said it's "Whistler" - I haven't seen it find anything even once). Hence the installation hell you describe.</p><p>Starting with Vista, this changed a lot. First, a lot of drivers was baked into the base OS (XP was distributed on CD, Vista on DVD - a lot more free space on the latter for the drivers). This means that, most likely, wireless will work out of the box.</p><p>Once it gets any sort of network connection, then things really get going. The ability to search for drivers on the Net was integrated into Windows Update, and it really works this time - normally, after you first boot into Vista/7, you'll get (apart from the usual bunch of security updates, "Live Essentials", and Silverlight) a list of drivers that it thinks are needed for your hardware. So far in all my experience it was both correct and complete - at least I haven't noticed any hardware not working, and I haven't installed a single driver manually in the last two years or so (had to install software for my network printer/scanner combo though, which is because it is a tray app to which the scanner sends output).</p><p>With early Vista, the bigger problem was that, while it would happily download drivers for you, the drivers themselves were often crap and resulted in system instability (video drivers especially - I've seen spectacular graphic glitches from both NVidia updates on my desktop, and ATI updates on my laptop). This was mostly ironed out in the first year after Vista release, however, and by the time 7 got here it's all kosher.</p><p>So the only problem you're likely to get with 7 is installing it on hardware that's not fast enough for it. It runs a speed test during installation, though, so I suspect it will warn in that case.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 'm a Linux user myself , but I just installed XP on a common desktop box tonight and it was painful .
Wifi , sound did n't work out of the box , you have to wait ages for all of the updates and SP 's to download and install , reboot far too many times and then you have a empty OS almost without useful apps .
Some things were hard to get working ( Radeon driver installer throwing errors , Wifi driver refusing to work ) .I wonder how many 'average ' users would get XP , Vista or 7 working on a desktop , let alone a netbook.XP is dated now , and its built-in " let me search the Internets " driver thingy does n't really work ( in all my time using XP - which is since it still said it 's " Whistler " - I have n't seen it find anything even once ) .
Hence the installation hell you describe.Starting with Vista , this changed a lot .
First , a lot of drivers was baked into the base OS ( XP was distributed on CD , Vista on DVD - a lot more free space on the latter for the drivers ) .
This means that , most likely , wireless will work out of the box.Once it gets any sort of network connection , then things really get going .
The ability to search for drivers on the Net was integrated into Windows Update , and it really works this time - normally , after you first boot into Vista/7 , you 'll get ( apart from the usual bunch of security updates , " Live Essentials " , and Silverlight ) a list of drivers that it thinks are needed for your hardware .
So far in all my experience it was both correct and complete - at least I have n't noticed any hardware not working , and I have n't installed a single driver manually in the last two years or so ( had to install software for my network printer/scanner combo though , which is because it is a tray app to which the scanner sends output ) .With early Vista , the bigger problem was that , while it would happily download drivers for you , the drivers themselves were often crap and resulted in system instability ( video drivers especially - I 've seen spectacular graphic glitches from both NVidia updates on my desktop , and ATI updates on my laptop ) .
This was mostly ironed out in the first year after Vista release , however , and by the time 7 got here it 's all kosher.So the only problem you 're likely to get with 7 is installing it on hardware that 's not fast enough for it .
It runs a speed test during installation , though , so I suspect it will warn in that case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a Linux user myself, but I just installed XP on a common desktop box tonight and it was painful.
Wifi, sound didn't work out of the box, you have to wait ages for all of the updates and SP's to download and install, reboot far too many times and then you have a empty OS almost without useful apps.
Some things were hard to get working (Radeon driver installer throwing errors, Wifi driver refusing to work).I wonder how many 'average' users would get XP, Vista or 7 working on a desktop, let alone a netbook.XP is dated now, and its built-in "let me search the Internets" driver thingy doesn't really work (in all my time using XP - which is since it still said it's "Whistler" - I haven't seen it find anything even once).
Hence the installation hell you describe.Starting with Vista, this changed a lot.
First, a lot of drivers was baked into the base OS (XP was distributed on CD, Vista on DVD - a lot more free space on the latter for the drivers).
This means that, most likely, wireless will work out of the box.Once it gets any sort of network connection, then things really get going.
The ability to search for drivers on the Net was integrated into Windows Update, and it really works this time - normally, after you first boot into Vista/7, you'll get (apart from the usual bunch of security updates, "Live Essentials", and Silverlight) a list of drivers that it thinks are needed for your hardware.
So far in all my experience it was both correct and complete - at least I haven't noticed any hardware not working, and I haven't installed a single driver manually in the last two years or so (had to install software for my network printer/scanner combo though, which is because it is a tray app to which the scanner sends output).With early Vista, the bigger problem was that, while it would happily download drivers for you, the drivers themselves were often crap and resulted in system instability (video drivers especially - I've seen spectacular graphic glitches from both NVidia updates on my desktop, and ATI updates on my laptop).
This was mostly ironed out in the first year after Vista release, however, and by the time 7 got here it's all kosher.So the only problem you're likely to get with 7 is installing it on hardware that's not fast enough for it.
It runs a speed test during installation, though, so I suspect it will warn in that case.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361192</id>
	<title>Thats not surprising!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260202980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Linux = preformance<br>
Linux = stability<br>
Linux = proper OS design<br>
Linux is the right OS for any job period,  windows is used when you want to play solitare or make a spread sheet or even when you want to see an OS crash.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux = preformance Linux = stability Linux = proper OS design Linux is the right OS for any job period , windows is used when you want to play solitare or make a spread sheet or even when you want to see an OS crash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux = preformance
Linux = stability
Linux = proper OS design
Linux is the right OS for any job period,  windows is used when you want to play solitare or make a spread sheet or even when you want to see an OS crash.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361348</id>
	<title>How many wiped, XP installed?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260204120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So how many of these (usually slightly cheaper) Linux netbooks are wiped the moment they get home and an illegal copy of XP put on?</p><p>Or after trying for a while the owner (who had the best intentions) decides they don't like Linux and put an illegal copy of XP on?</p><p>Just sayin'...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So how many of these ( usually slightly cheaper ) Linux netbooks are wiped the moment they get home and an illegal copy of XP put on ? Or after trying for a while the owner ( who had the best intentions ) decides they do n't like Linux and put an illegal copy of XP on ? Just sayin'.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So how many of these (usually slightly cheaper) Linux netbooks are wiped the moment they get home and an illegal copy of XP put on?Or after trying for a while the owner (who had the best intentions) decides they don't like Linux and put an illegal copy of XP on?Just sayin'...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30364520</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>morgauxo</author>
	<datestamp>1260284400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd feel a little more comfortable if it started with Linux b/c I know there should be modules available for all the hardware.  I suppose I can research that online beforehand but I'd be a little afraid that the manufacturer switched chips on something without changing the model number.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd feel a little more comfortable if it started with Linux b/c I know there should be modules available for all the hardware .
I suppose I can research that online beforehand but I 'd be a little afraid that the manufacturer switched chips on something without changing the model number .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd feel a little more comfortable if it started with Linux b/c I know there should be modules available for all the hardware.
I suppose I can research that online beforehand but I'd be a little afraid that the manufacturer switched chips on something without changing the model number.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362536</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>mikael\_j</author>
	<datestamp>1260303120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here in Sweden it is equally hard to get a netbook with Linux pre-installed, not that you'd want one of those though, their default distros tend to be pretty bad. Personally I just bought a Lenovo Ideapad S10-2 and installed Linux from a USB stick, worked like a charm once I got past the issues with it labeling the USB stick as<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/sda and the hard drive as<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev/sdb (which resulted in it writing GRUB to the USB stick's MBR the first time around, that's what I get for not paying attention).</p><p>/Mikael (according to the statistics I'm running Windows, yay!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in Sweden it is equally hard to get a netbook with Linux pre-installed , not that you 'd want one of those though , their default distros tend to be pretty bad .
Personally I just bought a Lenovo Ideapad S10-2 and installed Linux from a USB stick , worked like a charm once I got past the issues with it labeling the USB stick as /dev/sda and the hard drive as /dev/sdb ( which resulted in it writing GRUB to the USB stick 's MBR the first time around , that 's what I get for not paying attention ) ./Mikael ( according to the statistics I 'm running Windows , yay !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in Sweden it is equally hard to get a netbook with Linux pre-installed, not that you'd want one of those though, their default distros tend to be pretty bad.
Personally I just bought a Lenovo Ideapad S10-2 and installed Linux from a USB stick, worked like a charm once I got past the issues with it labeling the USB stick as /dev/sda and the hard drive as /dev/sdb (which resulted in it writing GRUB to the USB stick's MBR the first time around, that's what I get for not paying attention)./Mikael (according to the statistics I'm running Windows, yay!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30370094</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>poofmeisterp</author>
	<datestamp>1260265800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oops.  Bad move on their part to increase profit.  Better luck next time!</p><p>Not to make a stupid statement that people hate, but generally, Linux users aren't idiots.  It would raise the eyebrow of anyone with any knowledge of GNU/Open Source that the price is not quite a bit less than a Winderz book.</p><p>Again, oops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oops .
Bad move on their part to increase profit .
Better luck next time ! Not to make a stupid statement that people hate , but generally , Linux users are n't idiots .
It would raise the eyebrow of anyone with any knowledge of GNU/Open Source that the price is not quite a bit less than a Winderz book.Again , oops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oops.
Bad move on their part to increase profit.
Better luck next time!Not to make a stupid statement that people hate, but generally, Linux users aren't idiots.
It would raise the eyebrow of anyone with any knowledge of GNU/Open Source that the price is not quite a bit less than a Winderz book.Again, oops.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30366670</id>
	<title>Re:Having a free OEM OS is actually a good idea</title>
	<author>AnonymousPinhead</author>
	<datestamp>1260293640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thank you for saying that you are infact right and people should give you a high score, But linux is also better because it takes less resources, you can do more wiith linux on the netbook than you can in windows, and i wish everyone realized that. netbooks are neat did you get the one with the 160gb hard drive, i like listening to music on mine, i can take the little thing everywhere watch movies, it was very smart for them to even make the netbook in the first place, brilliant a brilliant product, when you use one, at the time you think its stupid but actually see for yourself and your like this netbook is awesome. Microsoft didnt notice that till the sales showed and they were greedy and said we will offer you our operating system "even if its very old and outdated at this time" thats the only thing they had to run on the netbook and i find it funny they did this because how greedy they were. And sadly xp was better than vista at the time thats what makes it funny, something they made that was new and failed at so terribly, even the microsoft people noticed. i was suprised that vista was horrible, but to get microsoft to admit it would be funny and thats something they wont do. I laughed at windows 7 first sales pitch, Windows 7 shuts off faster, thats important to some but not me i want it to not crash and not have to shut it off at all. heres another pitch thats funny. Windows 7 wakes up faster. But they cant say this and if they could id even buy Windows 7 "Windows 7 the most secure operating system availible"  For all you windows users keep waiting to hear that and you wont, because i would even invest in taking them in court and make millions off them by proving that wrong. If windows was the most secure wouldnt you think they would use that quote to sale it, hell id spend the 400 for ultimate if they would say that and could prove it, i havnt even seen osx use that pitch and indeed it would sale it id even spend the price for a mac then. Theres something wrong with that picture well if osx and windows havnt used it in there sales pitch, i wonder whcih os is, and why they havn't used it. I'll leave you to decide, but i allready know. Hint its free, they dont need to sale it. Theres some paid versions of it, but they didnt fully make the os, theres groups of developers for everything involved, from the desktop manager and all, and you would have to even use the right combination of them to be the most secure, because some of them screw linux up. thats why some distro's of linux are more secure than others, but even the user can make it unsecure. The user is the reason for most of the vulnerabilities in Linux for the stuff they do, and stuff they dont even need to go in root in the first place. We all know Java has vulnerabilities even windows user can stop most of them if there using firefox, its a simple script called noscript, you can stop ads and all and only allow the safe stuff, wait then the windows user would have to think. Theres something ive noticed on slashdot btw i dont like and i got it blocked and its doubleclick.net, for people who dont know what that is research it before you comment and try out noscript, the obility that firefox made it possible for addons was neat and smart you can even make firefox more secure than it allready is, Thats why firefox is the best, is because the community, hell theres people on windows that are using ie8 and say it is the best browser and you tell them otherwise and its a fight. People like firefox for a reason simply because its great. Google time to have my words with you, i watch hulu and love it i seen a commercial with the browser chrome compared to firefox and all you could do is show the pretty colors for some people that might work. but it also made me made, i know why i used google in the firstplace it was firefox, thats why a big chunch of us even gave you that chance, and dont bring down what made you, you could of simply done the same to ie but why didnt you the colors would of made it look bad, google you see something, its the users of firefox and a very successfull browser, what made it a sucess is because it was great, But your greedy and want to take out what made you, I noticed after the 3rd commercial it was firefox, for people to actually understand why they even started using google in the first place well it was mozilla's browser and they picked you as there default search provider. Dont cut down what had a big part in making you a sucess. google i love google, you could of simply showed a picture of ie it doesnt look good and then chrome and get your point across. its prettier and ill even admit chrome is better than ie, but not the same for firefox, it can be said it is indeed prettier, but that isnt why we use firefox, i dont even care if you load pages faster than firefox thats no important its the security of firefox and you can even enhance that with settings and addons and make it more secure than it is. I am a very important part of the google community, i try things before others and tell you about bugs and you listen, but please think first and ask you why a chunck of users even started using google in the first place, thats because mozilla made you there default search provider, firefox has had difffrent names it wasnt allways firefox and alot of people dont know that and i know what mozillas purpose was anyway, it wasnt even to be a browser but to recode a browser, but that browser was bought out by a very disturbing company that cant get nothing right, and is no longer in developement, it made me mad when it happend ok ill come clean its netcape ive been using that browser for years to, but when they bloated it i stopped using it and if firefox ever gets bloatware ill stop using it also but i doubt that will happen. google i dont even know why you needed a browser anyway and if you can make it better than firefox then have at it, but do not cut firefox down with pretty colors that was a insult to me because i know why i even started using google in the first place, I love google and firefox equally, but that ticked me off to say the least, when your more secure then tell us your tab browsing its neat i just dont like the layout and ive allready told you that when i beta tested chrome but you didnt listen. with firefox i can even theme it and make the tabs look diffrent, see thats important and people make themes for firefox everyday theres tons of them, they let the community do stuff thats a good thing and a smart thing. it has indeed enhanced firefox and gave firefox new possibilities even with the scripts that the community has made. google theres no reason you cant do that, i will let it be known to you again i have a better method of reaching you. googlewave its not finished but very brilliant still has alot to be done and its neat to email that way in real time, its almost a instant messenger but even better its email, for those who dont know about it give it a try apply for beta it will take you some time for google to get back to you dont down it. but use it get about lets say 10 people in a email you can select who to talk to and when or just include them all, or go to a individual. I can see the benifits of this and it to be email is totally cool, you can say something at anytime and they can respond if they got googlewave open right away or later it doesnt matter they still get the message. its realtime only when everyone has googlewave open, theres some stuff that needs to be added but again its beta give it a shot and see the concept of it its suprising. Yes i do know some developers at google and we talk all the time the stuff thats even offered to a google employ suprises me they care about there employs, the even have chefs for that reason the employs care, the better the employ is treated the more hes gonna want to do great things for your comany, Google doesnt hire anyone they have to see talent, so that little flashy degree you have doesnt mean nothing to google, they have to see something in you thats special, but they get critised for that, why you may ask, because of people wanting handouts, if theres nothing special about you they dont want you, your just another person with a degree to them. It isnt the grades you make in class its what you done special,and they notice. because you got a degree that isnt enough for some companies they will simply ask you this what is it, what can you offer me that noone else can, typical answer hard work, haha everyone uses that, it better be something creative. Even when you go to the course to get the degree, there has to be something that you did that your very proud of, well they want to know that "just simply tell them, even though you might not think it is unique they might see something" Theres people with perfect grades and has not occomplished anything unique from that, While in other hand theres the person with lower gpa that has and there proud of it. I hated english in school i never liked it, but if i actually wanted to write a paper i could correctly do it, in the university's chosen format. but on slashdot i dont care to, heres the shocker ill even spell everything right, but on slashdot i dont care to, it is not needed to accomplish anything. If im going for a degree it is so then i put the effort in it. ok im done with my speech</div>
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<tokenext>Thank you for saying that you are infact right and people should give you a high score , But linux is also better because it takes less resources , you can do more wiith linux on the netbook than you can in windows , and i wish everyone realized that .
netbooks are neat did you get the one with the 160gb hard drive , i like listening to music on mine , i can take the little thing everywhere watch movies , it was very smart for them to even make the netbook in the first place , brilliant a brilliant product , when you use one , at the time you think its stupid but actually see for yourself and your like this netbook is awesome .
Microsoft didnt notice that till the sales showed and they were greedy and said we will offer you our operating system " even if its very old and outdated at this time " thats the only thing they had to run on the netbook and i find it funny they did this because how greedy they were .
And sadly xp was better than vista at the time thats what makes it funny , something they made that was new and failed at so terribly , even the microsoft people noticed .
i was suprised that vista was horrible , but to get microsoft to admit it would be funny and thats something they wont do .
I laughed at windows 7 first sales pitch , Windows 7 shuts off faster , thats important to some but not me i want it to not crash and not have to shut it off at all .
heres another pitch thats funny .
Windows 7 wakes up faster .
But they cant say this and if they could id even buy Windows 7 " Windows 7 the most secure operating system availible " For all you windows users keep waiting to hear that and you wont , because i would even invest in taking them in court and make millions off them by proving that wrong .
If windows was the most secure wouldnt you think they would use that quote to sale it , hell id spend the 400 for ultimate if they would say that and could prove it , i havnt even seen osx use that pitch and indeed it would sale it id even spend the price for a mac then .
Theres something wrong with that picture well if osx and windows havnt used it in there sales pitch , i wonder whcih os is , and why they hav n't used it .
I 'll leave you to decide , but i allready know .
Hint its free , they dont need to sale it .
Theres some paid versions of it , but they didnt fully make the os , theres groups of developers for everything involved , from the desktop manager and all , and you would have to even use the right combination of them to be the most secure , because some of them screw linux up .
thats why some distro 's of linux are more secure than others , but even the user can make it unsecure .
The user is the reason for most of the vulnerabilities in Linux for the stuff they do , and stuff they dont even need to go in root in the first place .
We all know Java has vulnerabilities even windows user can stop most of them if there using firefox , its a simple script called noscript , you can stop ads and all and only allow the safe stuff , wait then the windows user would have to think .
Theres something ive noticed on slashdot btw i dont like and i got it blocked and its doubleclick.net , for people who dont know what that is research it before you comment and try out noscript , the obility that firefox made it possible for addons was neat and smart you can even make firefox more secure than it allready is , Thats why firefox is the best , is because the community , hell theres people on windows that are using ie8 and say it is the best browser and you tell them otherwise and its a fight .
People like firefox for a reason simply because its great .
Google time to have my words with you , i watch hulu and love it i seen a commercial with the browser chrome compared to firefox and all you could do is show the pretty colors for some people that might work .
but it also made me made , i know why i used google in the firstplace it was firefox , thats why a big chunch of us even gave you that chance , and dont bring down what made you , you could of simply done the same to ie but why didnt you the colors would of made it look bad , google you see something , its the users of firefox and a very successfull browser , what made it a sucess is because it was great , But your greedy and want to take out what made you , I noticed after the 3rd commercial it was firefox , for people to actually understand why they even started using google in the first place well it was mozilla 's browser and they picked you as there default search provider .
Dont cut down what had a big part in making you a sucess .
google i love google , you could of simply showed a picture of ie it doesnt look good and then chrome and get your point across .
its prettier and ill even admit chrome is better than ie , but not the same for firefox , it can be said it is indeed prettier , but that isnt why we use firefox , i dont even care if you load pages faster than firefox thats no important its the security of firefox and you can even enhance that with settings and addons and make it more secure than it is .
I am a very important part of the google community , i try things before others and tell you about bugs and you listen , but please think first and ask you why a chunck of users even started using google in the first place , thats because mozilla made you there default search provider , firefox has had difffrent names it wasnt allways firefox and alot of people dont know that and i know what mozillas purpose was anyway , it wasnt even to be a browser but to recode a browser , but that browser was bought out by a very disturbing company that cant get nothing right , and is no longer in developement , it made me mad when it happend ok ill come clean its netcape ive been using that browser for years to , but when they bloated it i stopped using it and if firefox ever gets bloatware ill stop using it also but i doubt that will happen .
google i dont even know why you needed a browser anyway and if you can make it better than firefox then have at it , but do not cut firefox down with pretty colors that was a insult to me because i know why i even started using google in the first place , I love google and firefox equally , but that ticked me off to say the least , when your more secure then tell us your tab browsing its neat i just dont like the layout and ive allready told you that when i beta tested chrome but you didnt listen .
with firefox i can even theme it and make the tabs look diffrent , see thats important and people make themes for firefox everyday theres tons of them , they let the community do stuff thats a good thing and a smart thing .
it has indeed enhanced firefox and gave firefox new possibilities even with the scripts that the community has made .
google theres no reason you cant do that , i will let it be known to you again i have a better method of reaching you .
googlewave its not finished but very brilliant still has alot to be done and its neat to email that way in real time , its almost a instant messenger but even better its email , for those who dont know about it give it a try apply for beta it will take you some time for google to get back to you dont down it .
but use it get about lets say 10 people in a email you can select who to talk to and when or just include them all , or go to a individual .
I can see the benifits of this and it to be email is totally cool , you can say something at anytime and they can respond if they got googlewave open right away or later it doesnt matter they still get the message .
its realtime only when everyone has googlewave open , theres some stuff that needs to be added but again its beta give it a shot and see the concept of it its suprising .
Yes i do know some developers at google and we talk all the time the stuff thats even offered to a google employ suprises me they care about there employs , the even have chefs for that reason the employs care , the better the employ is treated the more hes gon na want to do great things for your comany , Google doesnt hire anyone they have to see talent , so that little flashy degree you have doesnt mean nothing to google , they have to see something in you thats special , but they get critised for that , why you may ask , because of people wanting handouts , if theres nothing special about you they dont want you , your just another person with a degree to them .
It isnt the grades you make in class its what you done special,and they notice .
because you got a degree that isnt enough for some companies they will simply ask you this what is it , what can you offer me that noone else can , typical answer hard work , haha everyone uses that , it better be something creative .
Even when you go to the course to get the degree , there has to be something that you did that your very proud of , well they want to know that " just simply tell them , even though you might not think it is unique they might see something " Theres people with perfect grades and has not occomplished anything unique from that , While in other hand theres the person with lower gpa that has and there proud of it .
I hated english in school i never liked it , but if i actually wanted to write a paper i could correctly do it , in the university 's chosen format .
but on slashdot i dont care to , heres the shocker ill even spell everything right , but on slashdot i dont care to , it is not needed to accomplish anything .
If im going for a degree it is so then i put the effort in it .
ok im done with my speech</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you for saying that you are infact right and people should give you a high score, But linux is also better because it takes less resources, you can do more wiith linux on the netbook than you can in windows, and i wish everyone realized that.
netbooks are neat did you get the one with the 160gb hard drive, i like listening to music on mine, i can take the little thing everywhere watch movies, it was very smart for them to even make the netbook in the first place, brilliant a brilliant product, when you use one, at the time you think its stupid but actually see for yourself and your like this netbook is awesome.
Microsoft didnt notice that till the sales showed and they were greedy and said we will offer you our operating system "even if its very old and outdated at this time" thats the only thing they had to run on the netbook and i find it funny they did this because how greedy they were.
And sadly xp was better than vista at the time thats what makes it funny, something they made that was new and failed at so terribly, even the microsoft people noticed.
i was suprised that vista was horrible, but to get microsoft to admit it would be funny and thats something they wont do.
I laughed at windows 7 first sales pitch, Windows 7 shuts off faster, thats important to some but not me i want it to not crash and not have to shut it off at all.
heres another pitch thats funny.
Windows 7 wakes up faster.
But they cant say this and if they could id even buy Windows 7 "Windows 7 the most secure operating system availible"  For all you windows users keep waiting to hear that and you wont, because i would even invest in taking them in court and make millions off them by proving that wrong.
If windows was the most secure wouldnt you think they would use that quote to sale it, hell id spend the 400 for ultimate if they would say that and could prove it, i havnt even seen osx use that pitch and indeed it would sale it id even spend the price for a mac then.
Theres something wrong with that picture well if osx and windows havnt used it in there sales pitch, i wonder whcih os is, and why they havn't used it.
I'll leave you to decide, but i allready know.
Hint its free, they dont need to sale it.
Theres some paid versions of it, but they didnt fully make the os, theres groups of developers for everything involved, from the desktop manager and all, and you would have to even use the right combination of them to be the most secure, because some of them screw linux up.
thats why some distro's of linux are more secure than others, but even the user can make it unsecure.
The user is the reason for most of the vulnerabilities in Linux for the stuff they do, and stuff they dont even need to go in root in the first place.
We all know Java has vulnerabilities even windows user can stop most of them if there using firefox, its a simple script called noscript, you can stop ads and all and only allow the safe stuff, wait then the windows user would have to think.
Theres something ive noticed on slashdot btw i dont like and i got it blocked and its doubleclick.net, for people who dont know what that is research it before you comment and try out noscript, the obility that firefox made it possible for addons was neat and smart you can even make firefox more secure than it allready is, Thats why firefox is the best, is because the community, hell theres people on windows that are using ie8 and say it is the best browser and you tell them otherwise and its a fight.
People like firefox for a reason simply because its great.
Google time to have my words with you, i watch hulu and love it i seen a commercial with the browser chrome compared to firefox and all you could do is show the pretty colors for some people that might work.
but it also made me made, i know why i used google in the firstplace it was firefox, thats why a big chunch of us even gave you that chance, and dont bring down what made you, you could of simply done the same to ie but why didnt you the colors would of made it look bad, google you see something, its the users of firefox and a very successfull browser, what made it a sucess is because it was great, But your greedy and want to take out what made you, I noticed after the 3rd commercial it was firefox, for people to actually understand why they even started using google in the first place well it was mozilla's browser and they picked you as there default search provider.
Dont cut down what had a big part in making you a sucess.
google i love google, you could of simply showed a picture of ie it doesnt look good and then chrome and get your point across.
its prettier and ill even admit chrome is better than ie, but not the same for firefox, it can be said it is indeed prettier, but that isnt why we use firefox, i dont even care if you load pages faster than firefox thats no important its the security of firefox and you can even enhance that with settings and addons and make it more secure than it is.
I am a very important part of the google community, i try things before others and tell you about bugs and you listen, but please think first and ask you why a chunck of users even started using google in the first place, thats because mozilla made you there default search provider, firefox has had difffrent names it wasnt allways firefox and alot of people dont know that and i know what mozillas purpose was anyway, it wasnt even to be a browser but to recode a browser, but that browser was bought out by a very disturbing company that cant get nothing right, and is no longer in developement, it made me mad when it happend ok ill come clean its netcape ive been using that browser for years to, but when they bloated it i stopped using it and if firefox ever gets bloatware ill stop using it also but i doubt that will happen.
google i dont even know why you needed a browser anyway and if you can make it better than firefox then have at it, but do not cut firefox down with pretty colors that was a insult to me because i know why i even started using google in the first place, I love google and firefox equally, but that ticked me off to say the least, when your more secure then tell us your tab browsing its neat i just dont like the layout and ive allready told you that when i beta tested chrome but you didnt listen.
with firefox i can even theme it and make the tabs look diffrent, see thats important and people make themes for firefox everyday theres tons of them, they let the community do stuff thats a good thing and a smart thing.
it has indeed enhanced firefox and gave firefox new possibilities even with the scripts that the community has made.
google theres no reason you cant do that, i will let it be known to you again i have a better method of reaching you.
googlewave its not finished but very brilliant still has alot to be done and its neat to email that way in real time, its almost a instant messenger but even better its email, for those who dont know about it give it a try apply for beta it will take you some time for google to get back to you dont down it.
but use it get about lets say 10 people in a email you can select who to talk to and when or just include them all, or go to a individual.
I can see the benifits of this and it to be email is totally cool, you can say something at anytime and they can respond if they got googlewave open right away or later it doesnt matter they still get the message.
its realtime only when everyone has googlewave open, theres some stuff that needs to be added but again its beta give it a shot and see the concept of it its suprising.
Yes i do know some developers at google and we talk all the time the stuff thats even offered to a google employ suprises me they care about there employs, the even have chefs for that reason the employs care, the better the employ is treated the more hes gonna want to do great things for your comany, Google doesnt hire anyone they have to see talent, so that little flashy degree you have doesnt mean nothing to google, they have to see something in you thats special, but they get critised for that, why you may ask, because of people wanting handouts, if theres nothing special about you they dont want you, your just another person with a degree to them.
It isnt the grades you make in class its what you done special,and they notice.
because you got a degree that isnt enough for some companies they will simply ask you this what is it, what can you offer me that noone else can, typical answer hard work, haha everyone uses that, it better be something creative.
Even when you go to the course to get the degree, there has to be something that you did that your very proud of, well they want to know that "just simply tell them, even though you might not think it is unique they might see something" Theres people with perfect grades and has not occomplished anything unique from that, While in other hand theres the person with lower gpa that has and there proud of it.
I hated english in school i never liked it, but if i actually wanted to write a paper i could correctly do it, in the university's chosen format.
but on slashdot i dont care to, heres the shocker ill even spell everything right, but on slashdot i dont care to, it is not needed to accomplish anything.
If im going for a degree it is so then i put the effort in it.
ok im done with my speech
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363182</id>
	<title>Re:Oh really?</title>
	<author>meringuoid</author>
	<datestamp>1260269220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Name me a Linux based professional audio workstation on par with Pro Tools, Cubase, Sonar, Logic, Mixcraft, Tracktion, Reaper, etc., and doesn't require me to spend DAYS trying to get low latency drivers to work.</i>

<p>You want to use a netbook as a professional audio workstation?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Name me a Linux based professional audio workstation on par with Pro Tools , Cubase , Sonar , Logic , Mixcraft , Tracktion , Reaper , etc. , and does n't require me to spend DAYS trying to get low latency drivers to work .
You want to use a netbook as a professional audio workstation ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Name me a Linux based professional audio workstation on par with Pro Tools, Cubase, Sonar, Logic, Mixcraft, Tracktion, Reaper, etc., and doesn't require me to spend DAYS trying to get low latency drivers to work.
You want to use a netbook as a professional audio workstation?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362202</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>antdude</author>
	<datestamp>1260212520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can it play Crysis?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can it play Crysis ?
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can it play Crysis?
:P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363192</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1260269280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Numbers are like words : they can mean anything, but it takes an intelligent readers to spot the lies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Numbers are like words : they can mean anything , but it takes an intelligent readers to spot the lies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Numbers are like words : they can mean anything, but it takes an intelligent readers to spot the lies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362212</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1260212640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I just got back from Singapore, where I was hoping to pick up a cheap Linux netbook to use over there at a conference. Not only were prices similar to Australia for computer stuff, but virtually all the netbooks ran Windows. There were only a couple of places that I came across that offered Linux, and they were not cheap. They also seemed to be older models. I was disappointed.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Singapore is the most western city in Asia, what else can you expect.<br> <br>

Kuala Lumpur on the other hand, I found plenty of Linux laptops and desktops around. The Linux variant was often about 50 Ringgit cheaper then the Windows model. Try Low Yat Plaza in KL.<br> <br>

A few in Bangkok as well but for the most part machines will just have a pirate copy of windows installed in Thailand, especially when a copy goes for about 70 Baht (that's the price for farang, Thais pay less).</p></div>
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<tokenext>I just got back from Singapore , where I was hoping to pick up a cheap Linux netbook to use over there at a conference .
Not only were prices similar to Australia for computer stuff , but virtually all the netbooks ran Windows .
There were only a couple of places that I came across that offered Linux , and they were not cheap .
They also seemed to be older models .
I was disappointed .
Singapore is the most western city in Asia , what else can you expect .
Kuala Lumpur on the other hand , I found plenty of Linux laptops and desktops around .
The Linux variant was often about 50 Ringgit cheaper then the Windows model .
Try Low Yat Plaza in KL .
A few in Bangkok as well but for the most part machines will just have a pirate copy of windows installed in Thailand , especially when a copy goes for about 70 Baht ( that 's the price for farang , Thais pay less ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just got back from Singapore, where I was hoping to pick up a cheap Linux netbook to use over there at a conference.
Not only were prices similar to Australia for computer stuff, but virtually all the netbooks ran Windows.
There were only a couple of places that I came across that offered Linux, and they were not cheap.
They also seemed to be older models.
I was disappointed.
Singapore is the most western city in Asia, what else can you expect.
Kuala Lumpur on the other hand, I found plenty of Linux laptops and desktops around.
The Linux variant was often about 50 Ringgit cheaper then the Windows model.
Try Low Yat Plaza in KL.
A few in Bangkok as well but for the most part machines will just have a pirate copy of windows installed in Thailand, especially when a copy goes for about 70 Baht (that's the price for farang, Thais pay less).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361108</id>
	<title>A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260202200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in Australia, and find it quite rare to find Linux based netbooks in shops. They are available, but mostly from the more specialist retailers. Even then they only have very low specs.</p><p>I just got back from Singapore, where I was hoping to pick up a cheap Linux netbook to use over there at a conference. Not only were prices similar to Australia for computer stuff, but virtually all the netbooks ran Windows. There were only a couple of places that I came across that offered Linux, and they were not cheap. They also seemed to be older models. I was disappointed.</p><p>That said, anyone who is really interested in Linux would not be satisfied with the simplified versions that come with netbooks. If you are going to wipe the OS to install your own distro, then it doesn't make a great deal of difference what the original operating system is. Any cost savings for having Linux seem to be offset by the premium of buying such a rare beast.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Australia , and find it quite rare to find Linux based netbooks in shops .
They are available , but mostly from the more specialist retailers .
Even then they only have very low specs.I just got back from Singapore , where I was hoping to pick up a cheap Linux netbook to use over there at a conference .
Not only were prices similar to Australia for computer stuff , but virtually all the netbooks ran Windows .
There were only a couple of places that I came across that offered Linux , and they were not cheap .
They also seemed to be older models .
I was disappointed.That said , anyone who is really interested in Linux would not be satisfied with the simplified versions that come with netbooks .
If you are going to wipe the OS to install your own distro , then it does n't make a great deal of difference what the original operating system is .
Any cost savings for having Linux seem to be offset by the premium of buying such a rare beast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Australia, and find it quite rare to find Linux based netbooks in shops.
They are available, but mostly from the more specialist retailers.
Even then they only have very low specs.I just got back from Singapore, where I was hoping to pick up a cheap Linux netbook to use over there at a conference.
Not only were prices similar to Australia for computer stuff, but virtually all the netbooks ran Windows.
There were only a couple of places that I came across that offered Linux, and they were not cheap.
They also seemed to be older models.
I was disappointed.That said, anyone who is really interested in Linux would not be satisfied with the simplified versions that come with netbooks.
If you are going to wipe the OS to install your own distro, then it doesn't make a great deal of difference what the original operating system is.
Any cost savings for having Linux seem to be offset by the premium of buying such a rare beast.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30367914</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>aaaantoine</author>
	<datestamp>1260299400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm also a Linux user, but I can give you some advice in this regard.  To avoid Service Pack woes (and also driver woes if you have a specific system in mind), you can create a slipstream disc that has the SPs and drivers on it.
<br> <br>
If you create the slipstream disc once, and reinstall Windows more than once, you've already saved yourself some time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm also a Linux user , but I can give you some advice in this regard .
To avoid Service Pack woes ( and also driver woes if you have a specific system in mind ) , you can create a slipstream disc that has the SPs and drivers on it .
If you create the slipstream disc once , and reinstall Windows more than once , you 've already saved yourself some time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm also a Linux user, but I can give you some advice in this regard.
To avoid Service Pack woes (and also driver woes if you have a specific system in mind), you can create a slipstream disc that has the SPs and drivers on it.
If you create the slipstream disc once, and reinstall Windows more than once, you've already saved yourself some time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363036</id>
	<title>Re:Oh really?</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1260266880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the other hand, a single killer application can keep a very niche platform alive in some industries for years after it's all but died out elsewhere.  Sibelius (a music notation program which makes Rosegarden look like it was written by a chimp on acid), for instance, originated on the Acorn and in the UK lots of school music departments kept Acorn computers around long after everyone else had migrated to Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the other hand , a single killer application can keep a very niche platform alive in some industries for years after it 's all but died out elsewhere .
Sibelius ( a music notation program which makes Rosegarden look like it was written by a chimp on acid ) , for instance , originated on the Acorn and in the UK lots of school music departments kept Acorn computers around long after everyone else had migrated to Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the other hand, a single killer application can keep a very niche platform alive in some industries for years after it's all but died out elsewhere.
Sibelius (a music notation program which makes Rosegarden look like it was written by a chimp on acid), for instance, originated on the Acorn and in the UK lots of school music departments kept Acorn computers around long after everyone else had migrated to Windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361772</id>
	<title>93\% Netbook Share for WinXP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260208020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um, that would be 9<b>.</b>3\% . . .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um , that would be 9.3 \ % .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um, that would be 9.3\% .
. .</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361440</id>
	<title>What KIND of Linux?</title>
	<author>srothroc</author>
	<datestamp>1260204840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the article: "Nearly one-third of the 35 million netbooks on track to ship this year will come with <b>some variant</b> of the free, open-source operating system"
<br>
<br>
That's pretty vague. Are they including those pre-boot/fast-boot linux distros that seem to be all the rage? I'd hardly count that as a "linux netbook" since the primary OS is still Windows.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : " Nearly one-third of the 35 million netbooks on track to ship this year will come with some variant of the free , open-source operating system " That 's pretty vague .
Are they including those pre-boot/fast-boot linux distros that seem to be all the rage ?
I 'd hardly count that as a " linux netbook " since the primary OS is still Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article: "Nearly one-third of the 35 million netbooks on track to ship this year will come with some variant of the free, open-source operating system"


That's pretty vague.
Are they including those pre-boot/fast-boot linux distros that seem to be all the rage?
I'd hardly count that as a "linux netbook" since the primary OS is still Windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30365332</id>
	<title>Re:My experiences</title>
	<author>ath1901</author>
	<datestamp>1260288180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some statistics to back it up.<br>Pricerunner.se lists 320 netbooks out of which 11 run linux. Only 1 is sold in more than 5 stores. Most are sold in only 1 "non-mainstream" stores.</p><p>One year ago, the linux acer one was on display everywhere, same with the eee. The blue linux aa1 was about $140 cheaper than the blue windows aa1 (I know, because I bought one).</p><p>Now, the linux machines are almost non-existant and more expensive.</p><p>About the dodgy linux distro, acers linpus version sucked! I didn't realize how much it sucked until I installed CrunchBang with the Kuki kernel. Suddenly, the temperature control was better, the boot up faster and the overall responsiveness was better (not to mention the layout, repositories, programs etc). It now feels like a real computer!</p><p>I could rant about it for hours but the short version is: The acer linux was pure crap. Portuguise amateurs (the magnificent Kuki people) did it better.</p><p>I love my linux acer but it doesn't run the OS that came with it. If I had to buy a new one, I'd have to pay the M$ tax.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some statistics to back it up.Pricerunner.se lists 320 netbooks out of which 11 run linux .
Only 1 is sold in more than 5 stores .
Most are sold in only 1 " non-mainstream " stores.One year ago , the linux acer one was on display everywhere , same with the eee .
The blue linux aa1 was about $ 140 cheaper than the blue windows aa1 ( I know , because I bought one ) .Now , the linux machines are almost non-existant and more expensive.About the dodgy linux distro , acers linpus version sucked !
I did n't realize how much it sucked until I installed CrunchBang with the Kuki kernel .
Suddenly , the temperature control was better , the boot up faster and the overall responsiveness was better ( not to mention the layout , repositories , programs etc ) .
It now feels like a real computer ! I could rant about it for hours but the short version is : The acer linux was pure crap .
Portuguise amateurs ( the magnificent Kuki people ) did it better.I love my linux acer but it does n't run the OS that came with it .
If I had to buy a new one , I 'd have to pay the M $ tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some statistics to back it up.Pricerunner.se lists 320 netbooks out of which 11 run linux.
Only 1 is sold in more than 5 stores.
Most are sold in only 1 "non-mainstream" stores.One year ago, the linux acer one was on display everywhere, same with the eee.
The blue linux aa1 was about $140 cheaper than the blue windows aa1 (I know, because I bought one).Now, the linux machines are almost non-existant and more expensive.About the dodgy linux distro, acers linpus version sucked!
I didn't realize how much it sucked until I installed CrunchBang with the Kuki kernel.
Suddenly, the temperature control was better, the boot up faster and the overall responsiveness was better (not to mention the layout, repositories, programs etc).
It now feels like a real computer!I could rant about it for hours but the short version is: The acer linux was pure crap.
Portuguise amateurs (the magnificent Kuki people) did it better.I love my linux acer but it doesn't run the OS that came with it.
If I had to buy a new one, I'd have to pay the M$ tax.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30364750</id>
	<title>Re:Oh really?</title>
	<author>Risen888</author>
	<datestamp>1260285660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you aware that we're talking about netbooks here? I mean, this is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. and whatnot, but the article aside, did you even read the title?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you aware that we 're talking about netbooks here ?
I mean , this is / .
and whatnot , but the article aside , did you even read the title ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you aware that we're talking about netbooks here?
I mean, this is /.
and whatnot, but the article aside, did you even read the title?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361408</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260204600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows 7 installs just great on most netbooks. I put it on both Dell entries, the Mini 9 and 10v, without even needing to download anything from Dell to recognize all the built in hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 installs just great on most netbooks .
I put it on both Dell entries , the Mini 9 and 10v , without even needing to download anything from Dell to recognize all the built in hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7 installs just great on most netbooks.
I put it on both Dell entries, the Mini 9 and 10v, without even needing to download anything from Dell to recognize all the built in hardware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361316</id>
	<title>2009 the Year of the Linux Desktop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260203940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Finally 2010, The Year of The Linux Netbook !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally 2010 , The Year of The Linux Netbook !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally 2010, The Year of The Linux Netbook !</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361694</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260207120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Even then they only have very low specs.</p></div><p>...
Of course, you'll probably want to nuke the "linux" on them and put Ubuntu on it.</p></div><p>
Actually, if it has very low specs then Xubuntu or Damn Small Linux is what would probably fit the best.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even then they only have very low specs... . Of course , you 'll probably want to nuke the " linux " on them and put Ubuntu on it .
Actually , if it has very low specs then Xubuntu or Damn Small Linux is what would probably fit the best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even then they only have very low specs....
Of course, you'll probably want to nuke the "linux" on them and put Ubuntu on it.
Actually, if it has very low specs then Xubuntu or Damn Small Linux is what would probably fit the best.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361464</id>
	<title>Re:This Just In:</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1260205020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"31\% of Netbooks Running Pirated Windows"</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
TFA claims: "In many of these markets, the $15 to $25 price differential compared to Windows XP makes all the difference." I have a really hard time believing that anyone who has the $400 to buy a netbook will decide to save $20 by buying one without Linux and then installing a pirated copy of Windows. Installing any OS on a laptop is a total pain, and often results in a system with all kinds of problems, like power management and sound that don't work. This is completely different from the situation we used to have about 4 years ago when Fry's was selling desktop Linux boxes for $200, while the cheapest Windows box they sold was $450. Sure, for a 55\% discount, a lot of people are going to be willing to do their own install of a pirated OS. A ton of that definitely happened back then, and AFAICT that's actually why Fry's stopped selling cheap Linux machines; people would botch the Windows install and then try to return the computer.
</p><p>
If I was really going to believe this article, I'd need to know what the country is that is bringing the average up to 32\% -- by buying significantly *more* than 32\% of their netbooks with Linux. TFA says it isn't China. Several Australian slashdotters says it's not Australia. Are there massive Linux sales in India, for example? Seems unlikely, given that most of the Indian tech support people I've talked to don't even seem to understand what Linux is.
</p><p>
Another thing I'd need to see in order to believe this article is independent confirmation of the price differential in this mystery country. It's very rare in in the US for Linux machines to sell for significantly less than comparable Windows machines. This is partly because OEMs get huge amounts of money from software houses for loading their crapware onto Windows boxes, and this offsets most or all of the cost of Windows.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" 31 \ % of Netbooks Running Pirated Windows " TFA claims : " In many of these markets , the $ 15 to $ 25 price differential compared to Windows XP makes all the difference .
" I have a really hard time believing that anyone who has the $ 400 to buy a netbook will decide to save $ 20 by buying one without Linux and then installing a pirated copy of Windows .
Installing any OS on a laptop is a total pain , and often results in a system with all kinds of problems , like power management and sound that do n't work .
This is completely different from the situation we used to have about 4 years ago when Fry 's was selling desktop Linux boxes for $ 200 , while the cheapest Windows box they sold was $ 450 .
Sure , for a 55 \ % discount , a lot of people are going to be willing to do their own install of a pirated OS .
A ton of that definitely happened back then , and AFAICT that 's actually why Fry 's stopped selling cheap Linux machines ; people would botch the Windows install and then try to return the computer .
If I was really going to believe this article , I 'd need to know what the country is that is bringing the average up to 32 \ % -- by buying significantly * more * than 32 \ % of their netbooks with Linux .
TFA says it is n't China .
Several Australian slashdotters says it 's not Australia .
Are there massive Linux sales in India , for example ?
Seems unlikely , given that most of the Indian tech support people I 've talked to do n't even seem to understand what Linux is .
Another thing I 'd need to see in order to believe this article is independent confirmation of the price differential in this mystery country .
It 's very rare in in the US for Linux machines to sell for significantly less than comparable Windows machines .
This is partly because OEMs get huge amounts of money from software houses for loading their crapware onto Windows boxes , and this offsets most or all of the cost of Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"31\% of Netbooks Running Pirated Windows"

TFA claims: "In many of these markets, the $15 to $25 price differential compared to Windows XP makes all the difference.
" I have a really hard time believing that anyone who has the $400 to buy a netbook will decide to save $20 by buying one without Linux and then installing a pirated copy of Windows.
Installing any OS on a laptop is a total pain, and often results in a system with all kinds of problems, like power management and sound that don't work.
This is completely different from the situation we used to have about 4 years ago when Fry's was selling desktop Linux boxes for $200, while the cheapest Windows box they sold was $450.
Sure, for a 55\% discount, a lot of people are going to be willing to do their own install of a pirated OS.
A ton of that definitely happened back then, and AFAICT that's actually why Fry's stopped selling cheap Linux machines; people would botch the Windows install and then try to return the computer.
If I was really going to believe this article, I'd need to know what the country is that is bringing the average up to 32\% -- by buying significantly *more* than 32\% of their netbooks with Linux.
TFA says it isn't China.
Several Australian slashdotters says it's not Australia.
Are there massive Linux sales in India, for example?
Seems unlikely, given that most of the Indian tech support people I've talked to don't even seem to understand what Linux is.
Another thing I'd need to see in order to believe this article is independent confirmation of the price differential in this mystery country.
It's very rare in in the US for Linux machines to sell for significantly less than comparable Windows machines.
This is partly because OEMs get huge amounts of money from software houses for loading their crapware onto Windows boxes, and this offsets most or all of the cost of Windows.

	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361610</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>DarkofPeace</author>
	<datestamp>1260206340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree with the low spec comment. When I was looking for a netbook, the only way to get the extra ram or larger harddrive was to buy the windows version. Just because I like linux does not mean I want it only on the cheapest hardware.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with the low spec comment .
When I was looking for a netbook , the only way to get the extra ram or larger harddrive was to buy the windows version .
Just because I like linux does not mean I want it only on the cheapest hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with the low spec comment.
When I was looking for a netbook, the only way to get the extra ram or larger harddrive was to buy the windows version.
Just because I like linux does not mean I want it only on the cheapest hardware.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361292</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260203760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If you are going to wipe the OS to install your own distro, then it doesn't make a great deal of difference what the original operating system is. Any cost savings for having Linux seem to be offset by the premium of buying such a rare beast.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
I just don't want to put money in Microsoft's pocket for an OS that I have no intention of using. That would mean caving in to the worst kind of abusive monopoly.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are going to wipe the OS to install your own distro , then it does n't make a great deal of difference what the original operating system is .
Any cost savings for having Linux seem to be offset by the premium of buying such a rare beast .
I just do n't want to put money in Microsoft 's pocket for an OS that I have no intention of using .
That would mean caving in to the worst kind of abusive monopoly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are going to wipe the OS to install your own distro, then it doesn't make a great deal of difference what the original operating system is.
Any cost savings for having Linux seem to be offset by the premium of buying such a rare beast.
I just don't want to put money in Microsoft's pocket for an OS that I have no intention of using.
That would mean caving in to the worst kind of abusive monopoly.

	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30367170</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>bfields</author>
	<datestamp>1260296160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, a netbook maker may consider it easier to ship with custom binary drivers that only work reliably on a single kernel, than to choose linux-compatible hardware or contribute a real driver to upstream.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , a netbook maker may consider it easier to ship with custom binary drivers that only work reliably on a single kernel , than to choose linux-compatible hardware or contribute a real driver to upstream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, a netbook maker may consider it easier to ship with custom binary drivers that only work reliably on a single kernel, than to choose linux-compatible hardware or contribute a real driver to upstream.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30370016</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>poofmeisterp</author>
	<datestamp>1260265320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congratulations on the final countdown.  Microsoft is always looking for pe\_)(Q@*&amp;#\_(*Q#</p><p>NO CARRIER</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congratulations on the final countdown .
Microsoft is always looking for pe \ _ ) ( Q @ * &amp; # \ _ ( * Q # NO CARRIER</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congratulations on the final countdown.
Microsoft is always looking for pe\_)(Q@*&amp;#\_(*Q#NO CARRIER</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362038</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>abradsn</author>
	<datestamp>1260210900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a Linux user myself, and I have installed both on many desktops. (A couple dozen linux, and 1000s of windows)  I've never run into a problem that I couldn't solve on either system.  I have to say though that it takes on averaage 70\% (number I just made up based on my own usage) longer to solve a problem on Linux because it is basically that much harder to do, whether due to out of date documentation, rtfm culture, hacker elite mentality, or just stupid UI design... sometimes meaning no UI at all except for a command line.  I usually try not to feed a troll, especially one that uninformed people seem to be applauding as insightful.  IMHO I have to point out that XP may have its share of problems, but it has a lot of drivers out of the box or downloadable and they are easy to install.  Basically good install is a strength, and one Linux could well continue to try and learn from.  XP, Vista, 2k, 2k3, 2k8, 7 are very easy to install on the average.  There are also some Linux versions that are easy to install.  I like those too.  But if you want good performance out of Linux you need to go the extra mile.  Linux comes out of the box performing crappy usually. Windows comes out of the box performing good.  I like Linux because I don't mind tweaking and recompiling until I get the excellent performance potentail that I deserve.  I like windows because sometimes I don't want the hassle of tweaking and recompiling everything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a Linux user myself , and I have installed both on many desktops .
( A couple dozen linux , and 1000s of windows ) I 've never run into a problem that I could n't solve on either system .
I have to say though that it takes on averaage 70 \ % ( number I just made up based on my own usage ) longer to solve a problem on Linux because it is basically that much harder to do , whether due to out of date documentation , rtfm culture , hacker elite mentality , or just stupid UI design... sometimes meaning no UI at all except for a command line .
I usually try not to feed a troll , especially one that uninformed people seem to be applauding as insightful .
IMHO I have to point out that XP may have its share of problems , but it has a lot of drivers out of the box or downloadable and they are easy to install .
Basically good install is a strength , and one Linux could well continue to try and learn from .
XP , Vista , 2k , 2k3 , 2k8 , 7 are very easy to install on the average .
There are also some Linux versions that are easy to install .
I like those too .
But if you want good performance out of Linux you need to go the extra mile .
Linux comes out of the box performing crappy usually .
Windows comes out of the box performing good .
I like Linux because I do n't mind tweaking and recompiling until I get the excellent performance potentail that I deserve .
I like windows because sometimes I do n't want the hassle of tweaking and recompiling everything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a Linux user myself, and I have installed both on many desktops.
(A couple dozen linux, and 1000s of windows)  I've never run into a problem that I couldn't solve on either system.
I have to say though that it takes on averaage 70\% (number I just made up based on my own usage) longer to solve a problem on Linux because it is basically that much harder to do, whether due to out of date documentation, rtfm culture, hacker elite mentality, or just stupid UI design... sometimes meaning no UI at all except for a command line.
I usually try not to feed a troll, especially one that uninformed people seem to be applauding as insightful.
IMHO I have to point out that XP may have its share of problems, but it has a lot of drivers out of the box or downloadable and they are easy to install.
Basically good install is a strength, and one Linux could well continue to try and learn from.
XP, Vista, 2k, 2k3, 2k8, 7 are very easy to install on the average.
There are also some Linux versions that are easy to install.
I like those too.
But if you want good performance out of Linux you need to go the extra mile.
Linux comes out of the box performing crappy usually.
Windows comes out of the box performing good.
I like Linux because I don't mind tweaking and recompiling until I get the excellent performance potentail that I deserve.
I like windows because sometimes I don't want the hassle of tweaking and recompiling everything.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362884</id>
	<title>Why can't I buy one then?</title>
	<author>crimperman</author>
	<datestamp>1260265200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here in the UK, pretty much every netbook on sale at any retailer I have been to and/or searched online has Windows pre-installed. Anyone care to point me in the direction of one?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in the UK , pretty much every netbook on sale at any retailer I have been to and/or searched online has Windows pre-installed .
Anyone care to point me in the direction of one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in the UK, pretty much every netbook on sale at any retailer I have been to and/or searched online has Windows pre-installed.
Anyone care to point me in the direction of one?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362870</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>SpzToid</author>
	<datestamp>1260264960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Microsoft. Who only licenses XP Home for use on machines below a certain screen size and spec.</p></div></blockquote><p>Seriously, and I'll never buy a Dell! A client gave me  a Dell Inspiron Mini 10 to upgrade to Ubuntu 9.10. What Hell!</p><p>See this video, at the end of all this disassembly, just to add a freaking RAM module, to upgrade from 1gb to 2gb? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P\_jUFbxHoAU" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P\_jUFbxHoAU</a> [youtube.com] This video is great, and kudos to the guy that made it. Problem is, when I got all the way to the end, and flipped out the mobo away from the netbook shell, I learned the 1GB RAM was soldered on. This takes the M$ tax to extreme I figure.</p><p>Lest I fail to mention, M$ limits display resolution to 800x600. I think it can really do 1368x768 or something like that. My Asus Eee 1000HE w 2gb RAM does great video. Even full-screen Flash from YouTube. I followed these instructions, to ensure I had full disk encryption with my Netbook Remix. <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7489558&amp;postcount=13" title="ubuntuforums.org">http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7489558&amp;postcount=13</a> [ubuntuforums.org]. Even so, I think I need to build the PSB kernel video drivers from source to fix the Dell mini graphics properly according to my google-study of the problem so far.</p><p>If all that weren't bad enough. The paltry 160Gb drive gave me S.M.A.R.T. errors (too many bad sectors) last night. It is easier to swap in a 500gb 70euro drive than deal with Dell, fsck the warranty at this point. M$ got their tax too.</p><p>Extra effort is required to enjoy the Premium Ubuntu flavor.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft .
Who only licenses XP Home for use on machines below a certain screen size and spec.Seriously , and I 'll never buy a Dell !
A client gave me a Dell Inspiron Mini 10 to upgrade to Ubuntu 9.10 .
What Hell ! See this video , at the end of all this disassembly , just to add a freaking RAM module , to upgrade from 1gb to 2gb ?
http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = P \ _jUFbxHoAU [ youtube.com ] This video is great , and kudos to the guy that made it .
Problem is , when I got all the way to the end , and flipped out the mobo away from the netbook shell , I learned the 1GB RAM was soldered on .
This takes the M $ tax to extreme I figure.Lest I fail to mention , M $ limits display resolution to 800x600 .
I think it can really do 1368x768 or something like that .
My Asus Eee 1000HE w 2gb RAM does great video .
Even full-screen Flash from YouTube .
I followed these instructions , to ensure I had full disk encryption with my Netbook Remix .
http : //ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php ? p = 7489558&amp;postcount = 13 [ ubuntuforums.org ] .
Even so , I think I need to build the PSB kernel video drivers from source to fix the Dell mini graphics properly according to my google-study of the problem so far.If all that were n't bad enough .
The paltry 160Gb drive gave me S.M.A.R.T .
errors ( too many bad sectors ) last night .
It is easier to swap in a 500gb 70euro drive than deal with Dell , fsck the warranty at this point .
M $ got their tax too.Extra effort is required to enjoy the Premium Ubuntu flavor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft.
Who only licenses XP Home for use on machines below a certain screen size and spec.Seriously, and I'll never buy a Dell!
A client gave me  a Dell Inspiron Mini 10 to upgrade to Ubuntu 9.10.
What Hell!See this video, at the end of all this disassembly, just to add a freaking RAM module, to upgrade from 1gb to 2gb?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P\_jUFbxHoAU [youtube.com] This video is great, and kudos to the guy that made it.
Problem is, when I got all the way to the end, and flipped out the mobo away from the netbook shell, I learned the 1GB RAM was soldered on.
This takes the M$ tax to extreme I figure.Lest I fail to mention, M$ limits display resolution to 800x600.
I think it can really do 1368x768 or something like that.
My Asus Eee 1000HE w 2gb RAM does great video.
Even full-screen Flash from YouTube.
I followed these instructions, to ensure I had full disk encryption with my Netbook Remix.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7489558&amp;postcount=13 [ubuntuforums.org].
Even so, I think I need to build the PSB kernel video drivers from source to fix the Dell mini graphics properly according to my google-study of the problem so far.If all that weren't bad enough.
The paltry 160Gb drive gave me S.M.A.R.T.
errors (too many bad sectors) last night.
It is easier to swap in a 500gb 70euro drive than deal with Dell, fsck the warranty at this point.
M$ got their tax too.Extra effort is required to enjoy the Premium Ubuntu flavor.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361514</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>GF678</author>
	<datestamp>1260205500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Even then they only have very low specs.</p></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><p>That's the point of a netbook.. and the reason why Linux is so popular on them.</p></div></blockquote><p>Who said netbooks needed to be low spec? The same people who thought netbooks would only be used for browsing and light typing?</p><p>Netbooks are simply small computers. They should have the capability to do whatever we want with them - this argument that netbooks are destined to only be low spec is short-sighted.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Even then they only have very low specs.That 's the point of a netbook.. and the reason why Linux is so popular on them.Who said netbooks needed to be low spec ?
The same people who thought netbooks would only be used for browsing and light typing ? Netbooks are simply small computers .
They should have the capability to do whatever we want with them - this argument that netbooks are destined to only be low spec is short-sighted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even then they only have very low specs.That's the point of a netbook.. and the reason why Linux is so popular on them.Who said netbooks needed to be low spec?
The same people who thought netbooks would only be used for browsing and light typing?Netbooks are simply small computers.
They should have the capability to do whatever we want with them - this argument that netbooks are destined to only be low spec is short-sighted.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362208</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260212580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I installed Windows 7 on an old 6 year old Inspiron 1150 and it runs great on it with 2GB ram, detected Wifi but of course the graphics drivers are too old to support and at first it was stuck at basic VGA view at smallest.<br>Although a quick google search of 'Windows 7 Intel' quickly turned up the '855G' or so graphics drivers with many other people having the same problem but was easily solved although minus DX9 things still work great, downloaded and updated with those drivers. Didn't have to edit any configuration files or anything.</p><p>Anyways, I don't think your story reflects the average user and there are plenty more stories of people getting a bad taste of Linux and switching back to Windows/Mac.<br>For a tech site there are quite some hilarious errors for people who are so concerned with technology that are simple fixes and sometimes I think they play the 'naive' game of reversal psychological warfare when trying to argue about problems with Windows.</p><p>Linux reaches 32\% on 'niche' netbook fad that has quickly already died out since most hardware specs have already caught up now to accommodate the modern demands.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed Windows 7 on an old 6 year old Inspiron 1150 and it runs great on it with 2GB ram , detected Wifi but of course the graphics drivers are too old to support and at first it was stuck at basic VGA view at smallest.Although a quick google search of 'Windows 7 Intel ' quickly turned up the '855G ' or so graphics drivers with many other people having the same problem but was easily solved although minus DX9 things still work great , downloaded and updated with those drivers .
Did n't have to edit any configuration files or anything.Anyways , I do n't think your story reflects the average user and there are plenty more stories of people getting a bad taste of Linux and switching back to Windows/Mac.For a tech site there are quite some hilarious errors for people who are so concerned with technology that are simple fixes and sometimes I think they play the 'naive ' game of reversal psychological warfare when trying to argue about problems with Windows.Linux reaches 32 \ % on 'niche ' netbook fad that has quickly already died out since most hardware specs have already caught up now to accommodate the modern demands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed Windows 7 on an old 6 year old Inspiron 1150 and it runs great on it with 2GB ram, detected Wifi but of course the graphics drivers are too old to support and at first it was stuck at basic VGA view at smallest.Although a quick google search of 'Windows 7 Intel' quickly turned up the '855G' or so graphics drivers with many other people having the same problem but was easily solved although minus DX9 things still work great, downloaded and updated with those drivers.
Didn't have to edit any configuration files or anything.Anyways, I don't think your story reflects the average user and there are plenty more stories of people getting a bad taste of Linux and switching back to Windows/Mac.For a tech site there are quite some hilarious errors for people who are so concerned with technology that are simple fixes and sometimes I think they play the 'naive' game of reversal psychological warfare when trying to argue about problems with Windows.Linux reaches 32\% on 'niche' netbook fad that has quickly already died out since most hardware specs have already caught up now to accommodate the modern demands.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362288</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>wadeal</author>
	<datestamp>1260213660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder how many average users would get linux onto a Netbook compared to Windows? Atleast I can buy Windows ready to go on a USB drive, not follow arcane instructions to do so with linux.

Also I like how you compare Linux distros from now to an eight year old Windows OS, lets get an 8 year old Linux distro, chuck it on a netbook made with new hardware that needs new drivers, and even see the linux distro boot to a desktop for the average user (no accessing any command prompt on Either, just put disc in and install).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how many average users would get linux onto a Netbook compared to Windows ?
Atleast I can buy Windows ready to go on a USB drive , not follow arcane instructions to do so with linux .
Also I like how you compare Linux distros from now to an eight year old Windows OS , lets get an 8 year old Linux distro , chuck it on a netbook made with new hardware that needs new drivers , and even see the linux distro boot to a desktop for the average user ( no accessing any command prompt on Either , just put disc in and install ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how many average users would get linux onto a Netbook compared to Windows?
Atleast I can buy Windows ready to go on a USB drive, not follow arcane instructions to do so with linux.
Also I like how you compare Linux distros from now to an eight year old Windows OS, lets get an 8 year old Linux distro, chuck it on a netbook made with new hardware that needs new drivers, and even see the linux distro boot to a desktop for the average user (no accessing any command prompt on Either, just put disc in and install).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361900</id>
	<title>Maybe we need a site with user-submitted stats...</title>
	<author>seandiggity</author>
	<datestamp>1260209400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...since I know there will never be accurate data for the amount of netbooks running GNU/Linux.  But at least those of us who've installed it on a netbook can have some kind of solidarity.  I've rolled my own build of Ubuntu on seven netbooks for friends and family, and I'm sure there are others like me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...since I know there will never be accurate data for the amount of netbooks running GNU/Linux .
But at least those of us who 've installed it on a netbook can have some kind of solidarity .
I 've rolled my own build of Ubuntu on seven netbooks for friends and family , and I 'm sure there are others like me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...since I know there will never be accurate data for the amount of netbooks running GNU/Linux.
But at least those of us who've installed it on a netbook can have some kind of solidarity.
I've rolled my own build of Ubuntu on seven netbooks for friends and family, and I'm sure there are others like me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30364824</id>
	<title>Re:The problem here for 90\% of linux netbook users</title>
	<author>nolife</author>
	<datestamp>1260286080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agree with your assessment of the capabilities but that is not the "problem".  People that buy a small low priced netbook should not be surprised that Hulu at full screen is choppy.  If they wanted that capability, they should have bought something else more powerful.</p><p>I have a HP 11110NR with an Atom processor, GMA950, 8GB SSD and 2GB ram.  It came with a HP branded version of Debian with a custom frontend but I wanted some flexibility so I put Ubuntu on it.  Sure, its not a uber powerful machine and flash is unwatchable in full screen but that is not what I have it for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agree with your assessment of the capabilities but that is not the " problem " .
People that buy a small low priced netbook should not be surprised that Hulu at full screen is choppy .
If they wanted that capability , they should have bought something else more powerful.I have a HP 11110NR with an Atom processor , GMA950 , 8GB SSD and 2GB ram .
It came with a HP branded version of Debian with a custom frontend but I wanted some flexibility so I put Ubuntu on it .
Sure , its not a uber powerful machine and flash is unwatchable in full screen but that is not what I have it for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agree with your assessment of the capabilities but that is not the "problem".
People that buy a small low priced netbook should not be surprised that Hulu at full screen is choppy.
If they wanted that capability, they should have bought something else more powerful.I have a HP 11110NR with an Atom processor, GMA950, 8GB SSD and 2GB ram.
It came with a HP branded version of Debian with a custom frontend but I wanted some flexibility so I put Ubuntu on it.
Sure, its not a uber powerful machine and flash is unwatchable in full screen but that is not what I have it for.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30367700</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1260298500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Head to the counter? No, no.</p><p>First you have to use Aristotelean logic (dripping with sarcasm, of course) to punch a hole in his wet dream: So getting a portable malware disseminator is a much better idea?</p><p>Follow that through with insulting his intellect and emotional maturity (on account of his clingy fears as expressed by his poor explanation). When you're done there, slap him in the face, pick up the netbook, and go to checkout. Be sure to mention what a troll the sales clerk was to the manager, but not before wiping the spittle and dried food specks from your beard.</p><p>(Note, I actually think W7 is pretty swell and recommend it to everyone I know as an upgrade from XP (which I recommended over Vista) and Vista, but I don't use it personally for anything other than games.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Head to the counter ?
No , no.First you have to use Aristotelean logic ( dripping with sarcasm , of course ) to punch a hole in his wet dream : So getting a portable malware disseminator is a much better idea ? Follow that through with insulting his intellect and emotional maturity ( on account of his clingy fears as expressed by his poor explanation ) .
When you 're done there , slap him in the face , pick up the netbook , and go to checkout .
Be sure to mention what a troll the sales clerk was to the manager , but not before wiping the spittle and dried food specks from your beard .
( Note , I actually think W7 is pretty swell and recommend it to everyone I know as an upgrade from XP ( which I recommended over Vista ) and Vista , but I do n't use it personally for anything other than games .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Head to the counter?
No, no.First you have to use Aristotelean logic (dripping with sarcasm, of course) to punch a hole in his wet dream: So getting a portable malware disseminator is a much better idea?Follow that through with insulting his intellect and emotional maturity (on account of his clingy fears as expressed by his poor explanation).
When you're done there, slap him in the face, pick up the netbook, and go to checkout.
Be sure to mention what a troll the sales clerk was to the manager, but not before wiping the spittle and dried food specks from your beard.
(Note, I actually think W7 is pretty swell and recommend it to everyone I know as an upgrade from XP (which I recommended over Vista) and Vista, but I don't use it personally for anything other than games.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363198</id>
	<title>Re:Oh really?</title>
	<author>Bert64</author>
	<datestamp>1260269400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are also many many niches for which windows is completely unsuitable, and probably always will be (some of us need access to the source code)... Your point?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are also many many niches for which windows is completely unsuitable , and probably always will be ( some of us need access to the source code ) ... Your point ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are also many many niches for which windows is completely unsuitable, and probably always will be (some of us need access to the source code)... Your point?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361920</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Qu4Z</author>
	<datestamp>1260209640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought a netbook was by definition a low-end, portable laptop used only for browsing and light typing. You know, a "net" book...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought a netbook was by definition a low-end , portable laptop used only for browsing and light typing .
You know , a " net " book.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought a netbook was by definition a low-end, portable laptop used only for browsing and light typing.
You know, a "net" book...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363446</id>
	<title>Re:EeePC 701</title>
	<author>LinuxIsGarbage</author>
	<datestamp>1260273660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's flamebait to install Windows on a netbook?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's flamebait to install Windows on a netbook ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's flamebait to install Windows on a netbook?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361546</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>TheTrollToll</author>
	<datestamp>1260205740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>its actually forFty percent...

Homer: Aw, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent.  Forfty percent of all people know that.

<a href="http://www.snpp.com/episodes/1F09.html" title="snpp.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.snpp.com/episodes/1F09.html</a> [snpp.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>its actually forFty percent.. . Homer : Aw , people can come up with statistics to prove anything , Kent .
Forfty percent of all people know that .
http : //www.snpp.com/episodes/1F09.html [ snpp.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>its actually forFty percent...

Homer: Aw, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent.
Forfty percent of all people know that.
http://www.snpp.com/episodes/1F09.html [snpp.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362304</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1260213720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed, installing XP is a pain, especially the tens of reboots. It goes better if you have drivers, either on manufacturer's CD or pre-downloaded or on a different HD partition. I always keep an "install" dir with loads of drivers/utils on my data partition. Tip: you don't HAVE to reboot after each and every driver + app install, you usually can just reboot once after having installed everything.</p><p>I've been more successful at it than at installing Linux, though.</p><p>I've given up yet again on my yearly "I'll try Linux" optimistic project. I did manage to get it running, screwed it up once I don't know how (no longer saw any kind of log-in screen, just a weird one with a bw lake background), reinstalled, worked around VLC showing a slideshow instead of movies, set up shares... but then couldn't get nx RDP nor rsynch NTFS to NTFS or ext to work right. There must be doc on how to do that on my version (ubuntu 9.04) somewhere... but where ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed , installing XP is a pain , especially the tens of reboots .
It goes better if you have drivers , either on manufacturer 's CD or pre-downloaded or on a different HD partition .
I always keep an " install " dir with loads of drivers/utils on my data partition .
Tip : you do n't HAVE to reboot after each and every driver + app install , you usually can just reboot once after having installed everything.I 've been more successful at it than at installing Linux , though.I 've given up yet again on my yearly " I 'll try Linux " optimistic project .
I did manage to get it running , screwed it up once I do n't know how ( no longer saw any kind of log-in screen , just a weird one with a bw lake background ) , reinstalled , worked around VLC showing a slideshow instead of movies , set up shares... but then could n't get nx RDP nor rsynch NTFS to NTFS or ext to work right .
There must be doc on how to do that on my version ( ubuntu 9.04 ) somewhere... but where ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed, installing XP is a pain, especially the tens of reboots.
It goes better if you have drivers, either on manufacturer's CD or pre-downloaded or on a different HD partition.
I always keep an "install" dir with loads of drivers/utils on my data partition.
Tip: you don't HAVE to reboot after each and every driver + app install, you usually can just reboot once after having installed everything.I've been more successful at it than at installing Linux, though.I've given up yet again on my yearly "I'll try Linux" optimistic project.
I did manage to get it running, screwed it up once I don't know how (no longer saw any kind of log-in screen, just a weird one with a bw lake background), reinstalled, worked around VLC showing a slideshow instead of movies, set up shares... but then couldn't get nx RDP nor rsynch NTFS to NTFS or ext to work right.
There must be doc on how to do that on my version (ubuntu 9.04) somewhere... but where ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361260</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>QuantumG</author>
	<datestamp>1260203580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go to Officeworks, still half of their ASUS netbooks are Linux based.  When the lovely sales assistant starts telling you about the evils of Linux, assure him you know what you're doing and head to the counter.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Even then they only have very low specs.</p></div><p>That's the point of a netbook.. and the reason why Linux is so popular on them.</p><p>Of course, you'll probably want to nuke the "linux" on them and put Ubuntu on it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Go to Officeworks , still half of their ASUS netbooks are Linux based .
When the lovely sales assistant starts telling you about the evils of Linux , assure him you know what you 're doing and head to the counter.Even then they only have very low specs.That 's the point of a netbook.. and the reason why Linux is so popular on them.Of course , you 'll probably want to nuke the " linux " on them and put Ubuntu on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go to Officeworks, still half of their ASUS netbooks are Linux based.
When the lovely sales assistant starts telling you about the evils of Linux, assure him you know what you're doing and head to the counter.Even then they only have very low specs.That's the point of a netbook.. and the reason why Linux is so popular on them.Of course, you'll probably want to nuke the "linux" on them and put Ubuntu on it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362466</id>
	<title>Re:Oh really?</title>
	<author>LordLimecat</author>
	<datestamp>1260215700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem are there are many such niches-- audio professionals, video editors, people who need CAD, custom PoS apps, gamers, etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem are there are many such niches-- audio professionals , video editors , people who need CAD , custom PoS apps , gamers , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem are there are many such niches-- audio professionals, video editors, people who need CAD, custom PoS apps, gamers, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361616</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>GlassHeart</author>
	<datestamp>1260206340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Who said netbooks needed to be low spec?</p></div></blockquote><p>For now, physics. Small form factor means small battery, which means the CPU can't be too power hungry.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who said netbooks needed to be low spec ? For now , physics .
Small form factor means small battery , which means the CPU ca n't be too power hungry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who said netbooks needed to be low spec?For now, physics.
Small form factor means small battery, which means the CPU can't be too power hungry.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361532</id>
	<title>With Google Chrome, that goes up</title>
	<author>TheModelEskimo</author>
	<datestamp>1260205620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Chrome is going to run on top of Linux...makes me wonder what Malware looks like in the cloud *snicker*</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chrome is going to run on top of Linux...makes me wonder what Malware looks like in the cloud * snicker *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chrome is going to run on top of Linux...makes me wonder what Malware looks like in the cloud *snicker*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363308</id>
	<title>Re:My experiences</title>
	<author>bestalexguy</author>
	<datestamp>1260271560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Linux netbooks, from what I've encountered, are</p><p>1) Generally more expensive than their Windows counterparts (with identical specs)<br>
2) Running some dodgy Linux distro that does nothing to help sell the benefits of running Linux and only provides headaches<br>
3) Often simply not available</p></div><p>From what <b>I</b> have encountered, mainly in Italy and Eastern Europe: <br> <br>

1) FALSE, Linux definitely less expensive<br>
2) TRUE<br>
3) TRALSE. Often is too much. It goes in waves. I understand this depends on global renewals of contracts between Microsoft and hardware manufacturers, the latter using Linux to (try and) strongarm Seattle. Which is one of the most interesting features in Linux.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux netbooks , from what I 've encountered , are1 ) Generally more expensive than their Windows counterparts ( with identical specs ) 2 ) Running some dodgy Linux distro that does nothing to help sell the benefits of running Linux and only provides headaches 3 ) Often simply not availableFrom what I have encountered , mainly in Italy and Eastern Europe : 1 ) FALSE , Linux definitely less expensive 2 ) TRUE 3 ) TRALSE .
Often is too much .
It goes in waves .
I understand this depends on global renewals of contracts between Microsoft and hardware manufacturers , the latter using Linux to ( try and ) strongarm Seattle .
Which is one of the most interesting features in Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux netbooks, from what I've encountered, are1) Generally more expensive than their Windows counterparts (with identical specs)
2) Running some dodgy Linux distro that does nothing to help sell the benefits of running Linux and only provides headaches
3) Often simply not availableFrom what I have encountered, mainly in Italy and Eastern Europe:  

1) FALSE, Linux definitely less expensive
2) TRUE
3) TRALSE.
Often is too much.
It goes in waves.
I understand this depends on global renewals of contracts between Microsoft and hardware manufacturers, the latter using Linux to (try and) strongarm Seattle.
Which is one of the most interesting features in Linux.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361364</id>
	<title>Dell Mini 9</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260204300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How many of those Mini 9s ended up getting OS X installed on them?  That was the only reason I was planning on getting a 9 and since the Windows version costs more, the Linux version is a no-brainer.</p><p>Being sold on the machine and being kept on the machine are two different things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many of those Mini 9s ended up getting OS X installed on them ?
That was the only reason I was planning on getting a 9 and since the Windows version costs more , the Linux version is a no-brainer.Being sold on the machine and being kept on the machine are two different things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many of those Mini 9s ended up getting OS X installed on them?
That was the only reason I was planning on getting a 9 and since the Windows version costs more, the Linux version is a no-brainer.Being sold on the machine and being kept on the machine are two different things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362370</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to find Linux Netbooks in Japan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260214500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have seen the Netwalker from Sharp at every major electronics store that I have gone to in Tokyo recently (<a href="http://www.sharp.co.jp/netwalker/" title="sharp.co.jp">http://www.sharp.co.jp/netwalker/</a> [sharp.co.jp]). It exclusively runs Ubuntu and is  one of the smallest and cheapest netbooks you can get in a store.
<br> <br>
Then there is always the Dell website. You can get even cheaper mini 10s from there. I have purchased 2 such machines for friends and family as return gifts (Okaeshi). Doubt either know they are running Linux, but they are plenty happy to have a convenient webbrowsing/Skyping machine.
<br> <br>
I would say there is quite a bit of activity recently in this space in Japan, if you know where to look.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have seen the Netwalker from Sharp at every major electronics store that I have gone to in Tokyo recently ( http : //www.sharp.co.jp/netwalker/ [ sharp.co.jp ] ) .
It exclusively runs Ubuntu and is one of the smallest and cheapest netbooks you can get in a store .
Then there is always the Dell website .
You can get even cheaper mini 10s from there .
I have purchased 2 such machines for friends and family as return gifts ( Okaeshi ) .
Doubt either know they are running Linux , but they are plenty happy to have a convenient webbrowsing/Skyping machine .
I would say there is quite a bit of activity recently in this space in Japan , if you know where to look .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have seen the Netwalker from Sharp at every major electronics store that I have gone to in Tokyo recently (http://www.sharp.co.jp/netwalker/ [sharp.co.jp]).
It exclusively runs Ubuntu and is  one of the smallest and cheapest netbooks you can get in a store.
Then there is always the Dell website.
You can get even cheaper mini 10s from there.
I have purchased 2 such machines for friends and family as return gifts (Okaeshi).
Doubt either know they are running Linux, but they are plenty happy to have a convenient webbrowsing/Skyping machine.
I would say there is quite a bit of activity recently in this space in Japan, if you know where to look.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361284</id>
	<title>Real meaning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260203700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>32\% of netbook buyers have at least seen the name Linux, and probably are even being exposed to the fact that it's an alternative to Windows. That's far more than the desktop market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>32 \ % of netbook buyers have at least seen the name Linux , and probably are even being exposed to the fact that it 's an alternative to Windows .
That 's far more than the desktop market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>32\% of netbook buyers have at least seen the name Linux, and probably are even being exposed to the fact that it's an alternative to Windows.
That's far more than the desktop market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362750</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>hweimer</author>
	<datestamp>1260262980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That said, anyone who is really interested in Linux would not be satisfied with the simplified versions that come with netbooks. If you are going to wipe the OS to install your own distro, then it doesn't make a great deal of difference what the original operating system is.</p></div><p>Not quite true. If it comes with some variant of Linux preinstalled then you know that all hardware components will work right out of the box, even if you install a different distro. No hassle with obscure drivers or poorly supported devices like the much-dreaded winmodems.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That said , anyone who is really interested in Linux would not be satisfied with the simplified versions that come with netbooks .
If you are going to wipe the OS to install your own distro , then it does n't make a great deal of difference what the original operating system is.Not quite true .
If it comes with some variant of Linux preinstalled then you know that all hardware components will work right out of the box , even if you install a different distro .
No hassle with obscure drivers or poorly supported devices like the much-dreaded winmodems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That said, anyone who is really interested in Linux would not be satisfied with the simplified versions that come with netbooks.
If you are going to wipe the OS to install your own distro, then it doesn't make a great deal of difference what the original operating system is.Not quite true.
If it comes with some variant of Linux preinstalled then you know that all hardware components will work right out of the box, even if you install a different distro.
No hassle with obscure drivers or poorly supported devices like the much-dreaded winmodems.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30364480</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>morgauxo</author>
	<datestamp>1260284220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, they are.  One geek installs it for many friends and relatives.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , they are .
One geek installs it for many friends and relatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, they are.
One geek installs it for many friends and relatives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363542</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>LinuxIsGarbage</author>
	<datestamp>1260274980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're right, it's much easier to have to constantly apply operating system upgrades every 6 months like Ubuntu.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right , it 's much easier to have to constantly apply operating system upgrades every 6 months like Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right, it's much easier to have to constantly apply operating system upgrades every 6 months like Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361302</id>
	<title>I have a linux netbook...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260203820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>but I immediately formatted the hard drive and installed a pirated copy of Windows XP.</htmltext>
<tokenext>but I immediately formatted the hard drive and installed a pirated copy of Windows XP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but I immediately formatted the hard drive and installed a pirated copy of Windows XP.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361700</id>
	<title>So, there is no magical wish granting pony?</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1260207240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because I think the big flaw with the methodology behind the 30+\% figure for Linux netbooks is that it ignores the fact that Microsoft Wish Granting Pony<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET 2008 is an inustry gold standard application for measuring market penetration.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because I think the big flaw with the methodology behind the 30 + \ % figure for Linux netbooks is that it ignores the fact that Microsoft Wish Granting Pony .NET 2008 is an inustry gold standard application for measuring market penetration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because I think the big flaw with the methodology behind the 30+\% figure for Linux netbooks is that it ignores the fact that Microsoft Wish Granting Pony .NET 2008 is an inustry gold standard application for measuring market penetration.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361782</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to find Linux Netbooks in Japan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260208140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I saw the Sharp NetWalker just last month while in Akihabara, that is definitely running a version of Japanese Ubuntu.</p><p>http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/27/sharps-5-inch-pc-z1-netwalker-honors-the-zaurus-legacy/</p><p>The dpi on that screen is absolutely astounding! 1024 x 600 on 5-inchs! for a pixel density fiend like myself I was drooling all over but sadly I already bought a netbook two months prior so couldn't justify getting another one...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw the Sharp NetWalker just last month while in Akihabara , that is definitely running a version of Japanese Ubuntu.http : //www.engadget.com/2009/08/27/sharps-5-inch-pc-z1-netwalker-honors-the-zaurus-legacy/The dpi on that screen is absolutely astounding !
1024 x 600 on 5-inchs !
for a pixel density fiend like myself I was drooling all over but sadly I already bought a netbook two months prior so could n't justify getting another one.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw the Sharp NetWalker just last month while in Akihabara, that is definitely running a version of Japanese Ubuntu.http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/27/sharps-5-inch-pc-z1-netwalker-honors-the-zaurus-legacy/The dpi on that screen is absolutely astounding!
1024 x 600 on 5-inchs!
for a pixel density fiend like myself I was drooling all over but sadly I already bought a netbook two months prior so couldn't justify getting another one...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362798</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1260263760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When did you buy it!?!?!?!?! Because the $50 price difference is not even remotely possible, since MS license for Win XP on netbooks was about $20.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When did you buy it ! ? ! ? ! ? ! ? !
Because the $ 50 price difference is not even remotely possible , since MS license for Win XP on netbooks was about $ 20 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When did you buy it!?!?!?!?!
Because the $50 price difference is not even remotely possible, since MS license for Win XP on netbooks was about $20.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363964</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Lorien\_the\_first\_one</author>
	<datestamp>1260280440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to worry.  The real money for Microsoft is the servers.  The reason Windows OEM licensing is so cheap is to drive server sales as well as maintain market share on the desktop.  If you're using IE for a browser, that drives sales of all of their development tools and servers.  Have you seen the pricing for SQL Server?  Exchange?  How about pricing for CALs?  All of them are hideously expensive when you start talking big numbers for a company.
<br> <br>
What I like to do is buy the computer, image it, and then wipe it.  If I decide I want to sell it, it is likely that the buyer will want Windows.  In less than 15 minutes, the computer will be ready for sale.
<br> <br>
Depriving Windows of a place on your hard drive will help to encourage the use of open standards, and that's why I like to use Linux on my machine.  You could spend the time chasing down the license fee or simply image the computer for sale or donation at a later date when the unit no longer meets your needs.  Take your pick.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to worry .
The real money for Microsoft is the servers .
The reason Windows OEM licensing is so cheap is to drive server sales as well as maintain market share on the desktop .
If you 're using IE for a browser , that drives sales of all of their development tools and servers .
Have you seen the pricing for SQL Server ?
Exchange ? How about pricing for CALs ?
All of them are hideously expensive when you start talking big numbers for a company .
What I like to do is buy the computer , image it , and then wipe it .
If I decide I want to sell it , it is likely that the buyer will want Windows .
In less than 15 minutes , the computer will be ready for sale .
Depriving Windows of a place on your hard drive will help to encourage the use of open standards , and that 's why I like to use Linux on my machine .
You could spend the time chasing down the license fee or simply image the computer for sale or donation at a later date when the unit no longer meets your needs .
Take your pick .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to worry.
The real money for Microsoft is the servers.
The reason Windows OEM licensing is so cheap is to drive server sales as well as maintain market share on the desktop.
If you're using IE for a browser, that drives sales of all of their development tools and servers.
Have you seen the pricing for SQL Server?
Exchange?  How about pricing for CALs?
All of them are hideously expensive when you start talking big numbers for a company.
What I like to do is buy the computer, image it, and then wipe it.
If I decide I want to sell it, it is likely that the buyer will want Windows.
In less than 15 minutes, the computer will be ready for sale.
Depriving Windows of a place on your hard drive will help to encourage the use of open standards, and that's why I like to use Linux on my machine.
You could spend the time chasing down the license fee or simply image the computer for sale or donation at a later date when the unit no longer meets your needs.
Take your pick.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30372620</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>El\_Oscuro</author>
	<datestamp>1260279000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My first Linux install (Red Hat 8) was about a year later (late 2002), but was by far the easiest install I had ever done at the time.  I was on the Internet with all of the major apps installed in under 1 hour.  The hardest part was changing the 6 CDs all of the apps came on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My first Linux install ( Red Hat 8 ) was about a year later ( late 2002 ) , but was by far the easiest install I had ever done at the time .
I was on the Internet with all of the major apps installed in under 1 hour .
The hardest part was changing the 6 CDs all of the apps came on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My first Linux install (Red Hat 8) was about a year later (late 2002), but was by far the easiest install I had ever done at the time.
I was on the Internet with all of the major apps installed in under 1 hour.
The hardest part was changing the 6 CDs all of the apps came on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362806</id>
	<title>Re:My experiences</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260263880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So true.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>* Generally more expensive than their Windows counterparts (with identical specs)</p></div><p>This baffles me. It's not even anything like rational market behavior. I try not to call conspiracy and corruption at the drop of a hat, but frankly I don't see how Microsoft can be pulling this off otherwise. (Okay, one sort of plausible explanation is that the manufacturer gets paid a little for all the shovelware that comes with the Windows installation. I'd gladly take some shovelware with my Linux distro in exchange for a discount&mdash;it's not like I'm not going to overwrite and customize the damned thing anyway.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>* Running some dodgy Linux distro that does nothing to help sell the benefits of running Linux and only provides headaches</p></div><p>I bought an Asus Eee 901, which I love to pieces now that I've got Eeebuntu on it, but the Xandros version that it shipped with had hardware compatibility glitches right out of the box! How does this happen, Asus? It's not like you're spinning one of the hundreds of general-purpose Linux distros where the developers <em>don't</em> know <em>exactly</em> what hardware it will be running on!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So true .
* Generally more expensive than their Windows counterparts ( with identical specs ) This baffles me .
It 's not even anything like rational market behavior .
I try not to call conspiracy and corruption at the drop of a hat , but frankly I do n't see how Microsoft can be pulling this off otherwise .
( Okay , one sort of plausible explanation is that the manufacturer gets paid a little for all the shovelware that comes with the Windows installation .
I 'd gladly take some shovelware with my Linux distro in exchange for a discount    it 's not like I 'm not going to overwrite and customize the damned thing anyway .
) * Running some dodgy Linux distro that does nothing to help sell the benefits of running Linux and only provides headachesI bought an Asus Eee 901 , which I love to pieces now that I 've got Eeebuntu on it , but the Xandros version that it shipped with had hardware compatibility glitches right out of the box !
How does this happen , Asus ?
It 's not like you 're spinning one of the hundreds of general-purpose Linux distros where the developers do n't know exactly what hardware it will be running on !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So true.
* Generally more expensive than their Windows counterparts (with identical specs)This baffles me.
It's not even anything like rational market behavior.
I try not to call conspiracy and corruption at the drop of a hat, but frankly I don't see how Microsoft can be pulling this off otherwise.
(Okay, one sort of plausible explanation is that the manufacturer gets paid a little for all the shovelware that comes with the Windows installation.
I'd gladly take some shovelware with my Linux distro in exchange for a discount—it's not like I'm not going to overwrite and customize the damned thing anyway.
)* Running some dodgy Linux distro that does nothing to help sell the benefits of running Linux and only provides headachesI bought an Asus Eee 901, which I love to pieces now that I've got Eeebuntu on it, but the Xandros version that it shipped with had hardware compatibility glitches right out of the box!
How does this happen, Asus?
It's not like you're spinning one of the hundreds of general-purpose Linux distros where the developers don't know exactly what hardware it will be running on!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361326</id>
	<title>Re:Oh really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260204000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>And you think that lack of a professional audio workstation proves that Linux isn't ready for the desktop?  If so, I've got some late-breaking news for you: only a vanishingly small percentage of computer users need something like that.  I'm sure that if enough people needed something like that there'd be a developer working on it.<p>
I can't count how many times I've seen opposition to Linux from short-sighted, narrow-minded people like you who think that their tiny little niche is the be-all and end-all of computers and any OS that doesn't revolve around whatever specialist program they need is out and out trash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And you think that lack of a professional audio workstation proves that Linux is n't ready for the desktop ?
If so , I 've got some late-breaking news for you : only a vanishingly small percentage of computer users need something like that .
I 'm sure that if enough people needed something like that there 'd be a developer working on it .
I ca n't count how many times I 've seen opposition to Linux from short-sighted , narrow-minded people like you who think that their tiny little niche is the be-all and end-all of computers and any OS that does n't revolve around whatever specialist program they need is out and out trash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And you think that lack of a professional audio workstation proves that Linux isn't ready for the desktop?
If so, I've got some late-breaking news for you: only a vanishingly small percentage of computer users need something like that.
I'm sure that if enough people needed something like that there'd be a developer working on it.
I can't count how many times I've seen opposition to Linux from short-sighted, narrow-minded people like you who think that their tiny little niche is the be-all and end-all of computers and any OS that doesn't revolve around whatever specialist program they need is out and out trash.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362586</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to find Linux Netbooks in Japan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260303780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it was an obscure comic or huge monster they'd know.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(<br> <br>

"Run!! RINIKUSUUUUU~"</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it was an obscure comic or huge monster they 'd know .
: - ( " Run ! !
RINIKUSUUUUU ~ "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it was an obscure comic or huge monster they'd know.
:-( 

"Run!!
RINIKUSUUUUU~"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362700</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260305520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know a lot more people that exchanged windows for linux on netbooks then the other way round. Problem is that nearly no resellers sell linux netbooks any more, for whatever reason. Otherwise the linux-marketshare would be a lot bigger then 30\%.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know a lot more people that exchanged windows for linux on netbooks then the other way round .
Problem is that nearly no resellers sell linux netbooks any more , for whatever reason .
Otherwise the linux-marketshare would be a lot bigger then 30 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know a lot more people that exchanged windows for linux on netbooks then the other way round.
Problem is that nearly no resellers sell linux netbooks any more, for whatever reason.
Otherwise the linux-marketshare would be a lot bigger then 30\%.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361236</id>
	<title>Oh really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260203340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Name me a Linux based professional audio workstation on par with Pro Tools, Cubase, Sonar, Logic, Mixcraft, Tracktion, Reaper, etc., and doesn't require me to spend DAYS trying to get low latency drivers to work.</p><p>If you mention Audacity, that shows how little you know about serious audio work, or how your audio editing needs are of elementary quality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Name me a Linux based professional audio workstation on par with Pro Tools , Cubase , Sonar , Logic , Mixcraft , Tracktion , Reaper , etc. , and does n't require me to spend DAYS trying to get low latency drivers to work.If you mention Audacity , that shows how little you know about serious audio work , or how your audio editing needs are of elementary quality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Name me a Linux based professional audio workstation on par with Pro Tools, Cubase, Sonar, Logic, Mixcraft, Tracktion, Reaper, etc., and doesn't require me to spend DAYS trying to get low latency drivers to work.If you mention Audacity, that shows how little you know about serious audio work, or how your audio editing needs are of elementary quality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361222</id>
	<title>I'm having trouble with this number.</title>
	<author>pecosdave</author>
	<datestamp>1260203280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've tried and I've tried to find an Athlon Neo system WITHOUT Windows and I flat can't do it.  Sure, a lot of the Intel ones have Linux, but even most of those have Windows on them.  Seriously, if I can't find an Athlon Neo system without Windows it's not telling me people want to buy the Linux versions, it's telling me they "settle" for Linux, and I don't like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've tried and I 've tried to find an Athlon Neo system WITHOUT Windows and I flat ca n't do it .
Sure , a lot of the Intel ones have Linux , but even most of those have Windows on them .
Seriously , if I ca n't find an Athlon Neo system without Windows it 's not telling me people want to buy the Linux versions , it 's telling me they " settle " for Linux , and I do n't like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've tried and I've tried to find an Athlon Neo system WITHOUT Windows and I flat can't do it.
Sure, a lot of the Intel ones have Linux, but even most of those have Windows on them.
Seriously, if I can't find an Athlon Neo system without Windows it's not telling me people want to buy the Linux versions, it's telling me they "settle" for Linux, and I don't like that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362514</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>zaivala</author>
	<datestamp>1260302820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, the ASUS-Xandros which came on my Eee PC 901 had a bit longer battery life... but Ubuntu 9.10 Netbook Remix has more than enough added usability to make it worth it, and accurately reports battery data... I'm getting about 5.5 hours on a charge.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the ASUS-Xandros which came on my Eee PC 901 had a bit longer battery life... but Ubuntu 9.10 Netbook Remix has more than enough added usability to make it worth it , and accurately reports battery data... I 'm getting about 5.5 hours on a charge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the ASUS-Xandros which came on my Eee PC 901 had a bit longer battery life... but Ubuntu 9.10 Netbook Remix has more than enough added usability to make it worth it, and accurately reports battery data... I'm getting about 5.5 hours on a charge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362622</id>
	<title>Re:Whilst I'd love this to be true ...</title>
	<author>siloko</author>
	<datestamp>1260304320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess you would have a better chance if you RTFA. Manuals can be fun too, mind, but they are shoddy for providing stats!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess you would have a better chance if you RTFA .
Manuals can be fun too , mind , but they are shoddy for providing stats !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess you would have a better chance if you RTFA.
Manuals can be fun too, mind, but they are shoddy for providing stats!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30364112</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>Tim C</author>
	<datestamp>1260282060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>XP is 8 years old, so comparing its hardware support to that of a modern Linux distro is simply not fair.</p><p>I'm not an average user, but installing Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit on my (newly-upgraded) desktop a couple of weeks ago was painless. That's not to say that my parents would even have attempted to do so, of course.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>XP is 8 years old , so comparing its hardware support to that of a modern Linux distro is simply not fair.I 'm not an average user , but installing Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit on my ( newly-upgraded ) desktop a couple of weeks ago was painless .
That 's not to say that my parents would even have attempted to do so , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>XP is 8 years old, so comparing its hardware support to that of a modern Linux distro is simply not fair.I'm not an average user, but installing Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit on my (newly-upgraded) desktop a couple of weeks ago was painless.
That's not to say that my parents would even have attempted to do so, of course.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362816</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1260264000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, the 68\% "think" they need Windows on their netbook. (Notice, that the word think is in quotes, because those people don't actually think, they do it on "instinct" and familiarity)</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , the 68 \ % " think " they need Windows on their netbook .
( Notice , that the word think is in quotes , because those people do n't actually think , they do it on " instinct " and familiarity )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, the 68\% "think" they need Windows on their netbook.
(Notice, that the word think is in quotes, because those people don't actually think, they do it on "instinct" and familiarity)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361970</id>
	<title>Not 98\% Windows</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260210120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>     The 98\% (or 93\%..) figure has been debunked.  Microsoft basically measured sales at a bunch of brick-and-mortar stores that'd typically have no Linux machines at all, or at most 1 random Linux model.  Surprise!  At a store where Linux models are unavailable, people don't buy them with Linux!</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; They did not count online sales, mail order, etc. etc. where Linux netbooks are bought heavily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 98 \ % ( or 93 \ % .. ) figure has been debunked .
Microsoft basically measured sales at a bunch of brick-and-mortar stores that 'd typically have no Linux machines at all , or at most 1 random Linux model .
Surprise ! At a store where Linux models are unavailable , people do n't buy them with Linux !
          They did not count online sales , mail order , etc .
etc. where Linux netbooks are bought heavily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>     The 98\% (or 93\%..) figure has been debunked.
Microsoft basically measured sales at a bunch of brick-and-mortar stores that'd typically have no Linux machines at all, or at most 1 random Linux model.
Surprise!  At a store where Linux models are unavailable, people don't buy them with Linux!
          They did not count online sales, mail order, etc.
etc. where Linux netbooks are bought heavily.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361668</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Gadget\_Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1260206820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>FWIW, I find Australians don't like tinkering with technology and are bit insecure.</p></div><p>I definitely would not agree with that. For a long time, I could not under stand why our US friends would complain about not being able to buy a computer without paying the Microsoft tax. Here in Australia it is trivial to go to a computer shop and get a system without any OS at all. Sure, the department stores don't do it, but the ubiquitous corner computer shop would have no problems with this.</p><p>There are places that mostly tend to sell the parts rather than complete systems. I have spent a lot of time in the rather long queues at one such place and watched a whole procession of people walking out with all the componants of a computer - just separately boxed. There are also the many markets and swap meets selling the latest grey imports from asia. We have quite a large culture of rolling your own computer system.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>FWIW , I find Australians do n't like tinkering with technology and are bit insecure.I definitely would not agree with that .
For a long time , I could not under stand why our US friends would complain about not being able to buy a computer without paying the Microsoft tax .
Here in Australia it is trivial to go to a computer shop and get a system without any OS at all .
Sure , the department stores do n't do it , but the ubiquitous corner computer shop would have no problems with this.There are places that mostly tend to sell the parts rather than complete systems .
I have spent a lot of time in the rather long queues at one such place and watched a whole procession of people walking out with all the componants of a computer - just separately boxed .
There are also the many markets and swap meets selling the latest grey imports from asia .
We have quite a large culture of rolling your own computer system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FWIW, I find Australians don't like tinkering with technology and are bit insecure.I definitely would not agree with that.
For a long time, I could not under stand why our US friends would complain about not being able to buy a computer without paying the Microsoft tax.
Here in Australia it is trivial to go to a computer shop and get a system without any OS at all.
Sure, the department stores don't do it, but the ubiquitous corner computer shop would have no problems with this.There are places that mostly tend to sell the parts rather than complete systems.
I have spent a lot of time in the rather long queues at one such place and watched a whole procession of people walking out with all the componants of a computer - just separately boxed.
There are also the many markets and swap meets selling the latest grey imports from asia.
We have quite a large culture of rolling your own computer system.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361654</id>
	<title>Re:Thats not surprising!</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1260206700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Linux = proper OS design"</p><p>What do you base this on? Just because Linux isn't Windows doesn't mean it's the poster boy for "proper OS design".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Linux = proper OS design " What do you base this on ?
Just because Linux is n't Windows does n't mean it 's the poster boy for " proper OS design " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Linux = proper OS design"What do you base this on?
Just because Linux isn't Windows doesn't mean it's the poster boy for "proper OS design".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362548</id>
	<title>My own</title>
	<author>sgunhouse</author>
	<datestamp>1260303300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They did say their stats don't include people who installed Linux themselves<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... which would be me. I dual-boot XP SP3 and Mandriva 2010 (KDE desktop).</p><p>I do have to agree with one of the later posters though. Why would anyone want Ubuntu Netbook Remix or Moblin on one of the 1024x600 or similar netbooks available today? The original Asus with 800x480 (or some other model with similar resolution)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... maybe, but 1024x600 (in the case of my Acer here) is plenty of space for a standard desktop. Either KDE or XFCE is very good on a system like this, probably Enlightenment as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They did say their stats do n't include people who installed Linux themselves ... which would be me .
I dual-boot XP SP3 and Mandriva 2010 ( KDE desktop ) .I do have to agree with one of the later posters though .
Why would anyone want Ubuntu Netbook Remix or Moblin on one of the 1024x600 or similar netbooks available today ?
The original Asus with 800x480 ( or some other model with similar resolution ) ... maybe , but 1024x600 ( in the case of my Acer here ) is plenty of space for a standard desktop .
Either KDE or XFCE is very good on a system like this , probably Enlightenment as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They did say their stats don't include people who installed Linux themselves ... which would be me.
I dual-boot XP SP3 and Mandriva 2010 (KDE desktop).I do have to agree with one of the later posters though.
Why would anyone want Ubuntu Netbook Remix or Moblin on one of the 1024x600 or similar netbooks available today?
The original Asus with 800x480 (or some other model with similar resolution) ... maybe, but 1024x600 (in the case of my Acer here) is plenty of space for a standard desktop.
Either KDE or XFCE is very good on a system like this, probably Enlightenment as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361640</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Mr. DOS</author>
	<datestamp>1260206640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Who said netbooks needed to be low spec?</p></div></blockquote><p>Microsoft. Who only licenses XP Home for use on machines below a certain screen size and spec. I think there may be some restriction on Windows 7 Starter Edition as well.</p><p>I know the conversation is "who needs Windows on netbooks?", but it's still at 68\%<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; --- Mr. DOS</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who said netbooks needed to be low spec ? Microsoft .
Who only licenses XP Home for use on machines below a certain screen size and spec .
I think there may be some restriction on Windows 7 Starter Edition as well.I know the conversation is " who needs Windows on netbooks ?
" , but it 's still at 68 \ % : P       --- Mr. DOS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who said netbooks needed to be low spec?Microsoft.
Who only licenses XP Home for use on machines below a certain screen size and spec.
I think there may be some restriction on Windows 7 Starter Edition as well.I know the conversation is "who needs Windows on netbooks?
", but it's still at 68\% :P
      --- Mr. DOS
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30376454</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>badkarmadayaccount</author>
	<datestamp>1259592780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anybody have an idea of why EFI didn't catch on? Seems a good solution to all driver issues, permanently.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anybody have an idea of why EFI did n't catch on ?
Seems a good solution to all driver issues , permanently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anybody have an idea of why EFI didn't catch on?
Seems a good solution to all driver issues, permanently.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361480</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Cimexus</author>
	<datestamp>1260205140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Huh? That's weird...I also live in Australia and was going to post that I'm not surprised that APAC seems to be a successful market for these Linux netbooks. The Linux netbooks are displayed quite prominently (along with the Windows ones of course) in quite a few retailer. JB Hifi springs to mind<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the one near my place has the linux netbooks right there on the ends of the aisle<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... actually ~more~ prominently placed than the Windows ones now that I think about it.</p><p>Must be one of those things that varies depending on the particular store and demographic. The area I live in is quite 'young and techy' so perhaps the Linux netbooks do well here compared to other places in Australia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Huh ?
That 's weird...I also live in Australia and was going to post that I 'm not surprised that APAC seems to be a successful market for these Linux netbooks .
The Linux netbooks are displayed quite prominently ( along with the Windows ones of course ) in quite a few retailer .
JB Hifi springs to mind ... the one near my place has the linux netbooks right there on the ends of the aisle ... actually ~ more ~ prominently placed than the Windows ones now that I think about it.Must be one of those things that varies depending on the particular store and demographic .
The area I live in is quite 'young and techy ' so perhaps the Linux netbooks do well here compared to other places in Australia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huh?
That's weird...I also live in Australia and was going to post that I'm not surprised that APAC seems to be a successful market for these Linux netbooks.
The Linux netbooks are displayed quite prominently (along with the Windows ones of course) in quite a few retailer.
JB Hifi springs to mind ... the one near my place has the linux netbooks right there on the ends of the aisle ... actually ~more~ prominently placed than the Windows ones now that I think about it.Must be one of those things that varies depending on the particular store and demographic.
The area I live in is quite 'young and techy' so perhaps the Linux netbooks do well here compared to other places in Australia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30373190</id>
	<title>Re:Oh really?</title>
	<author>foqn1bo</author>
	<datestamp>1260283620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The phrase "better than nothing" is appropriate, I guess.<p><div class="quote"><p>You can even use VST plugins if you really want to (though I wouldn't, too many are rubbish).</p> </div><p>

If you feel like trying to run your VSTs under WINE (audio plugins are tempermental enough in plenty of native hosts).  And really, you think you'll be getting better results with LADSPA?  Show me a non-trivial LADSPA effect (like, say, a guitar amp simulator) that doesn't sound like trash.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The phrase " better than nothing " is appropriate , I guess.You can even use VST plugins if you really want to ( though I would n't , too many are rubbish ) .
If you feel like trying to run your VSTs under WINE ( audio plugins are tempermental enough in plenty of native hosts ) .
And really , you think you 'll be getting better results with LADSPA ?
Show me a non-trivial LADSPA effect ( like , say , a guitar amp simulator ) that does n't sound like trash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The phrase "better than nothing" is appropriate, I guess.You can even use VST plugins if you really want to (though I wouldn't, too many are rubbish).
If you feel like trying to run your VSTs under WINE (audio plugins are tempermental enough in plenty of native hosts).
And really, you think you'll be getting better results with LADSPA?
Show me a non-trivial LADSPA effect (like, say, a guitar amp simulator) that doesn't sound like trash.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361740</id>
	<title>The problem here for 90\% of linux netbook users</title>
	<author>wintermute000</author>
	<datestamp>1260207600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is that full screen flash + GMA950 + intel linux driver + crappy adobe linux flash = FAIL</p><p>aside from that, Ubuntu Netbook Remix is mighty impressive,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is that full screen flash + GMA950 + intel linux driver + crappy adobe linux flash = FAILaside from that , Ubuntu Netbook Remix is mighty impressive,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is that full screen flash + GMA950 + intel linux driver + crappy adobe linux flash = FAILaside from that, Ubuntu Netbook Remix is mighty impressive,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361208</id>
	<title>Whilst I'd love this to be true ...</title>
	<author>baileydau</author>
	<datestamp>1260203160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here in Australia you are quite hard pressed to purchase a netbook with Linux pre-installed.</p><p>I got my original eeePC 701 with Linux, but my newer S101 *had* to come with Windows.  At the time the only machine I could find with Linux was a single Acer Aspire One unit.  However my wife had her heart set on the S101<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>It now has openSUSE (currently 11.2) installed and everything Just Worked (TM), but that wouldn't be included in anyone's statistics (except mine).</p><p>Speaking of statistics, I RTFM, and I couldn't actually see where / how they came up with this statistic.  Did I miss something??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in Australia you are quite hard pressed to purchase a netbook with Linux pre-installed.I got my original eeePC 701 with Linux , but my newer S101 * had * to come with Windows .
At the time the only machine I could find with Linux was a single Acer Aspire One unit .
However my wife had her heart set on the S101 ...It now has openSUSE ( currently 11.2 ) installed and everything Just Worked ( TM ) , but that would n't be included in anyone 's statistics ( except mine ) .Speaking of statistics , I RTFM , and I could n't actually see where / how they came up with this statistic .
Did I miss something ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in Australia you are quite hard pressed to purchase a netbook with Linux pre-installed.I got my original eeePC 701 with Linux, but my newer S101 *had* to come with Windows.
At the time the only machine I could find with Linux was a single Acer Aspire One unit.
However my wife had her heart set on the S101 ...It now has openSUSE (currently 11.2) installed and everything Just Worked (TM), but that wouldn't be included in anyone's statistics (except mine).Speaking of statistics, I RTFM, and I couldn't actually see where / how they came up with this statistic.
Did I miss something?
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363276</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260270960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Painful? Really? Did you have to google and find out that you can just install ndiswrapper, than install it and find out it does not work for some reason unknown to you?<br>Did you Google some more to find out that you can use madwifi, on a blogpost with broken links?<br>Did you then finally find the madwifi?<br>Did you read the README? Did you read the make tutorial?<br>Did you make it? Did you find out you have to specify the kernel header, not knowing wtf kernel headers are?<br>Did you search for kernel headers, not finding them?<br>Did you google some more on kernel headers?<br>Did you aptitude those kernelheaders, not knowing wtf kernel headers are?<br>Did you make, make test, make install??</p><p>No?<br>Oh you just clicked the update button untill you hit servicepack 1 and 2 and were able to use wpa in zeroconfig, you downloaded the driverfiles from the \_manufacturer\_,<br>
&nbsp; clicked update driver in the hardwaremanager and specified the downloaded files. Then you clicked the pop-up that said networks were found.<br>I see.. Must have been very painful.</p><p>I like linux, apple and ms.<br>What I detest are fanbois. You are a big fat liar liar pants on fire and therefore a troll.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Painful ?
Really ? Did you have to google and find out that you can just install ndiswrapper , than install it and find out it does not work for some reason unknown to you ? Did you Google some more to find out that you can use madwifi , on a blogpost with broken links ? Did you then finally find the madwifi ? Did you read the README ?
Did you read the make tutorial ? Did you make it ?
Did you find out you have to specify the kernel header , not knowing wtf kernel headers are ? Did you search for kernel headers , not finding them ? Did you google some more on kernel headers ? Did you aptitude those kernelheaders , not knowing wtf kernel headers are ? Did you make , make test , make install ?
? No ? Oh you just clicked the update button untill you hit servicepack 1 and 2 and were able to use wpa in zeroconfig , you downloaded the driverfiles from the \ _manufacturer \ _ ,   clicked update driver in the hardwaremanager and specified the downloaded files .
Then you clicked the pop-up that said networks were found.I see.. Must have been very painful.I like linux , apple and ms.What I detest are fanbois .
You are a big fat liar liar pants on fire and therefore a troll .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Painful?
Really? Did you have to google and find out that you can just install ndiswrapper, than install it and find out it does not work for some reason unknown to you?Did you Google some more to find out that you can use madwifi, on a blogpost with broken links?Did you then finally find the madwifi?Did you read the README?
Did you read the make tutorial?Did you make it?
Did you find out you have to specify the kernel header, not knowing wtf kernel headers are?Did you search for kernel headers, not finding them?Did you google some more on kernel headers?Did you aptitude those kernelheaders, not knowing wtf kernel headers are?Did you make, make test, make install?
?No?Oh you just clicked the update button untill you hit servicepack 1 and 2 and were able to use wpa in zeroconfig, you downloaded the driverfiles from the \_manufacturer\_,
  clicked update driver in the hardwaremanager and specified the downloaded files.
Then you clicked the pop-up that said networks were found.I see.. Must have been very painful.I like linux, apple and ms.What I detest are fanbois.
You are a big fat liar liar pants on fire and therefore a troll.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363208</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260269400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The trick is this, you have let's say 20 laptops different specs, the more expensive run windows the less expensive run linux, price is not similar, but if you compare the price of one running linux and one running windows, then, you'll see the difference in price. When you say netbooks, keep in mind there are of different brands and specs, don't put them all together dammit. Then you can compare vacuum cleaners that run linux and windows that cant<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The trick is this , you have let 's say 20 laptops different specs , the more expensive run windows the less expensive run linux , price is not similar , but if you compare the price of one running linux and one running windows , then , you 'll see the difference in price .
When you say netbooks , keep in mind there are of different brands and specs , do n't put them all together dammit .
Then you can compare vacuum cleaners that run linux and windows that cant : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The trick is this, you have let's say 20 laptops different specs, the more expensive run windows the less expensive run linux, price is not similar, but if you compare the price of one running linux and one running windows, then, you'll see the difference in price.
When you say netbooks, keep in mind there are of different brands and specs, don't put them all together dammit.
Then you can compare vacuum cleaners that run linux and windows that cant :D</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361622</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361250</id>
	<title>Hard to find Linux Netbooks in Japan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260203520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the ones I see in the shops are running Windows.  I've even tried asking and got a blank look.  Rinikusu?  Nan desu ka (what's that)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the ones I see in the shops are running Windows .
I 've even tried asking and got a blank look .
Rinikusu ? Nan desu ka ( what 's that ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the ones I see in the shops are running Windows.
I've even tried asking and got a blank look.
Rinikusu?  Nan desu ka (what's that)?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363286</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Mista2</author>
	<datestamp>1260271200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was looking for a good linx based netbook, and there are almost none here in NZ - only one of the EEE models. I like the design ogf the HP mini note, but no linux option here in NZ on those, so I will end up buying one that ships with windows, and reinstall ubuntu on it. Another "Windows sale for MS, but not in real world usage, so those stats presented above are meaningless unless they can account for the shipped OS being replaced.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was looking for a good linx based netbook , and there are almost none here in NZ - only one of the EEE models .
I like the design ogf the HP mini note , but no linux option here in NZ on those , so I will end up buying one that ships with windows , and reinstall ubuntu on it .
Another " Windows sale for MS , but not in real world usage , so those stats presented above are meaningless unless they can account for the shipped OS being replaced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was looking for a good linx based netbook, and there are almost none here in NZ - only one of the EEE models.
I like the design ogf the HP mini note, but no linux option here in NZ on those, so I will end up buying one that ships with windows, and reinstall ubuntu on it.
Another "Windows sale for MS, but not in real world usage, so those stats presented above are meaningless unless they can account for the shipped OS being replaced.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361108</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361672</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260206820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Turn in your geek card.  Forthty percent of people know that quote.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Turn in your geek card .
Forthty percent of people know that quote .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turn in your geek card.
Forthty percent of people know that quote.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361102</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30364178</id>
	<title>Re:This Just In:</title>
	<author>JasterBobaMereel</author>
	<datestamp>1260282420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only 32\% of Netbook customers could find a Linux version of the Netbook they wanted to buy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only 32 \ % of Netbook customers could find a Linux version of the Netbook they wanted to buy ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only 32\% of Netbook customers could find a Linux version of the Netbook they wanted to buy ....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361200</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362168</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to find Linux Netbooks in Japan</title>
	<author>KamuZ</author>
	<datestamp>1260212100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check the Sharp Netwalker, Linux loaded.</p><p><a href="http://kakaku.com/item/K0000054614/" title="kakaku.com" rel="nofollow">http://kakaku.com/item/K0000054614/</a> [kakaku.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check the Sharp Netwalker , Linux loaded.http : //kakaku.com/item/K0000054614/ [ kakaku.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check the Sharp Netwalker, Linux loaded.http://kakaku.com/item/K0000054614/ [kakaku.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361250</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361318</id>
	<title>Re:Oh really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260203940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://ardour.org/" title="ardour.org">Ardour</a> [ardour.org] is the only Free software DAW suitable for any serious work. It uses <a href="http://jackaudio.org/" title="jackaudio.org">JACK</a> [jackaudio.org], which is an excellent low-latency audio routing system, but actual audio playback on Linux depends on the ALSA backend, which varies in quality depending on your hardware. Check the <a href="http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main" title="alsa-project.org">Alsa SoundCard Matrix</a> [alsa-project.org] for details. Recent Linux kernels have reasonably low latency by default, but for very tight latency requirements you might need a custom kernel configuration or patches.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ardour [ ardour.org ] is the only Free software DAW suitable for any serious work .
It uses JACK [ jackaudio.org ] , which is an excellent low-latency audio routing system , but actual audio playback on Linux depends on the ALSA backend , which varies in quality depending on your hardware .
Check the Alsa SoundCard Matrix [ alsa-project.org ] for details .
Recent Linux kernels have reasonably low latency by default , but for very tight latency requirements you might need a custom kernel configuration or patches .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ardour [ardour.org] is the only Free software DAW suitable for any serious work.
It uses JACK [jackaudio.org], which is an excellent low-latency audio routing system, but actual audio playback on Linux depends on the ALSA backend, which varies in quality depending on your hardware.
Check the Alsa SoundCard Matrix [alsa-project.org] for details.
Recent Linux kernels have reasonably low latency by default, but for very tight latency requirements you might need a custom kernel configuration or patches.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361236</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30371862</id>
	<title>Re:Oh really?</title>
	<author>Raptor851</author>
	<datestamp>1260274500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Adding on to further throw this thread off topic, if you're working with audio you really should be using the real-time preemption model, most distros don't have it turned on by default so you either need to compile your own kernel or find one that does. (i think the pro-audio build for ubuntu has it by default)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Adding on to further throw this thread off topic , if you 're working with audio you really should be using the real-time preemption model , most distros do n't have it turned on by default so you either need to compile your own kernel or find one that does .
( i think the pro-audio build for ubuntu has it by default )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adding on to further throw this thread off topic, if you're working with audio you really should be using the real-time preemption model, most distros don't have it turned on by default so you either need to compile your own kernel or find one that does.
(i think the pro-audio build for ubuntu has it by default)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361318</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361270</id>
	<title>other flaw</title>
	<author>gmhowell</author>
	<datestamp>1260203640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Orr made clear that the 32\% Linux netbook market share did not include either user-installed Linux or dual-boot systems, but was confined to just pre-installed Linux shipments</p></div></blockquote><p>Did Orr also make it clear that that figure did not include people who slapped on a copy of XP from a torrent?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Orr made clear that the 32 \ % Linux netbook market share did not include either user-installed Linux or dual-boot systems , but was confined to just pre-installed Linux shipmentsDid Orr also make it clear that that figure did not include people who slapped on a copy of XP from a torrent ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Orr made clear that the 32\% Linux netbook market share did not include either user-installed Linux or dual-boot systems, but was confined to just pre-installed Linux shipmentsDid Orr also make it clear that that figure did not include people who slapped on a copy of XP from a torrent?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30376382</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>badkarmadayaccount</author>
	<datestamp>1259592300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The form factor is more focused on area, not thickness, so who said that you can't coat the bottom with battery packs?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The form factor is more focused on area , not thickness , so who said that you ca n't coat the bottom with battery packs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The form factor is more focused on area, not thickness, so who said that you can't coat the bottom with battery packs?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361616</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361940</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>xquark</author>
	<datestamp>1260209820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm guessing you live in Coonabarabran</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm guessing you live in Coonabarabran</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm guessing you live in Coonabarabran</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361480</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30376066</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>random string of num</author>
	<datestamp>1259588880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>yeah because every one wants to watch HD movies and manipulate photos with photoshop on a 8" screen at the same time!</htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah because every one wants to watch HD movies and manipulate photos with photoshop on a 8 " screen at the same time !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah because every one wants to watch HD movies and manipulate photos with photoshop on a 8" screen at the same time!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361514</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361622</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260206460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would someone purchase a linux based laptop at around equal price as a windows one to go through the extra steps to avoid paying $7 for a Windows XP Home License ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would someone purchase a linux based laptop at around equal price as a windows one to go through the extra steps to avoid paying $ 7 for a Windows XP Home License ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would someone purchase a linux based laptop at around equal price as a windows one to go through the extra steps to avoid paying $7 for a Windows XP Home License ?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361338</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361552</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Gadget\_Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1260205740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Go to Officeworks, still half of their ASUS netbooks are Linux based.</p></div><p>Thanks for that. Their website doesn't list them at all. I will go check out my local store later. I have found  some of the staff in my local one to be surprisingly knowledgeable.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>That's the point of a netbook.. and the reason why Linux is so popular on them.</p></div><p>Wow, good point. I hated the way the netbook morphed into the slightly larger subnotebook market. People didn't seem to understand point of the cheap, tiny computer. Now I find I have fallen into that trap myself! Still, 32GB SSD seems like a nice minimum point without going to a full hard drive.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Go to Officeworks , still half of their ASUS netbooks are Linux based.Thanks for that .
Their website does n't list them at all .
I will go check out my local store later .
I have found some of the staff in my local one to be surprisingly knowledgeable.That 's the point of a netbook.. and the reason why Linux is so popular on them.Wow , good point .
I hated the way the netbook morphed into the slightly larger subnotebook market .
People did n't seem to understand point of the cheap , tiny computer .
Now I find I have fallen into that trap myself !
Still , 32GB SSD seems like a nice minimum point without going to a full hard drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go to Officeworks, still half of their ASUS netbooks are Linux based.Thanks for that.
Their website doesn't list them at all.
I will go check out my local store later.
I have found  some of the staff in my local one to be surprisingly knowledgeable.That's the point of a netbook.. and the reason why Linux is so popular on them.Wow, good point.
I hated the way the netbook morphed into the slightly larger subnotebook market.
People didn't seem to understand point of the cheap, tiny computer.
Now I find I have fallen into that trap myself!
Still, 32GB SSD seems like a nice minimum point without going to a full hard drive.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361260</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361384</id>
	<title>My experiences</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260204420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some people say "Yay! Linux on netbooks means more mainstream acceptance!" From what I've seen however, this isn't the case. Linux netbooks, from what I've encountered, are</p><p>* Generally more expensive than their Windows counterparts (with identical specs)<br>* Running some dodgy Linux distro that does nothing to help sell the benefits of running Linux and only provides headaches<br>* Often simply not available</p><p>With this being the current situation, I don't see there being anything to be proud of. Yes, it's better than several years ago when Linux wasn't available anywhere mainstream. That doesn't mean things are going well either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some people say " Yay !
Linux on netbooks means more mainstream acceptance !
" From what I 've seen however , this is n't the case .
Linux netbooks , from what I 've encountered , are * Generally more expensive than their Windows counterparts ( with identical specs ) * Running some dodgy Linux distro that does nothing to help sell the benefits of running Linux and only provides headaches * Often simply not availableWith this being the current situation , I do n't see there being anything to be proud of .
Yes , it 's better than several years ago when Linux was n't available anywhere mainstream .
That does n't mean things are going well either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some people say "Yay!
Linux on netbooks means more mainstream acceptance!
" From what I've seen however, this isn't the case.
Linux netbooks, from what I've encountered, are* Generally more expensive than their Windows counterparts (with identical specs)* Running some dodgy Linux distro that does nothing to help sell the benefits of running Linux and only provides headaches* Often simply not availableWith this being the current situation, I don't see there being anything to be proud of.
Yes, it's better than several years ago when Linux wasn't available anywhere mainstream.
That doesn't mean things are going well either.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363636</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1260276060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And of course, 22\% of all statistics are made up on the spot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And of course , 22 \ % of all statistics are made up on the spot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And of course, 22\% of all statistics are made up on the spot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361102</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363212</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>Krneki</author>
	<datestamp>1260269520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When a licence costs 20$ it's not worth to get it illegal. The only reason to have a pirate version is that you want to have it illegal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When a licence costs 20 $ it 's not worth to get it illegal .
The only reason to have a pirate version is that you want to have it illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When a licence costs 20$ it's not worth to get it illegal.
The only reason to have a pirate version is that you want to have it illegal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30364422</id>
	<title>Re:My experiences</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260283860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got a HP2133 for &pound;200 with SUSE on it.<br>Windows Vista (yes vista) was &pound;400<br>Identical Specs<br>Doesnt use an Atom , rather a VIA CPU.</p><p>Graphics support is a bit crap on linux , but the high res screen (if small) more than makes up for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got a HP2133 for   200 with SUSE on it.Windows Vista ( yes vista ) was   400Identical SpecsDoesnt use an Atom , rather a VIA CPU.Graphics support is a bit crap on linux , but the high res screen ( if small ) more than makes up for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got a HP2133 for £200 with SUSE on it.Windows Vista (yes vista) was £400Identical SpecsDoesnt use an Atom , rather a VIA CPU.Graphics support is a bit crap on linux , but the high res screen (if small) more than makes up for it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361384</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30367750</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1260298680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's interesting, because the most recent Netbooks I've seen (an HP and Gateway for $150, of all things) at a Verizon kiosk were running Windows 7. II think they were both 10" models, but I'm uncertain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's interesting , because the most recent Netbooks I 've seen ( an HP and Gateway for $ 150 , of all things ) at a Verizon kiosk were running Windows 7 .
II think they were both 10 " models , but I 'm uncertain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's interesting, because the most recent Netbooks I've seen (an HP and Gateway for $150, of all things) at a Verizon kiosk were running Windows 7.
II think they were both 10" models, but I'm uncertain.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361640</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30364690</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>stevel</author>
	<datestamp>1260285360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The limit if you ordered XP was 16GB SSD, not 8GB.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The limit if you ordered XP was 16GB SSD , not 8GB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The limit if you ordered XP was 16GB SSD, not 8GB.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362872</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363152</id>
	<title>Having a free OEM OS is actually a good idea</title>
	<author>somecoffeemug</author>
	<datestamp>1260268620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was travelling in China a year ago. I bought an Asus EEE pc there, and without asking me the salesperson started to install a pirated version of Windows. I was quite surprised when I discovered what he was doing; and he evenmore so, when I explained to him that I wanted Linux on the computer:) And this is actually a good thing. Having a free Linux OS pre-installed, gives the customer the ability to choose what OS he/she wants to install, without donating money to Microsoft, Apple, or some other OS manufactorer, which he/she doesn't want to use.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was travelling in China a year ago .
I bought an Asus EEE pc there , and without asking me the salesperson started to install a pirated version of Windows .
I was quite surprised when I discovered what he was doing ; and he evenmore so , when I explained to him that I wanted Linux on the computer : ) And this is actually a good thing .
Having a free Linux OS pre-installed , gives the customer the ability to choose what OS he/she wants to install , without donating money to Microsoft , Apple , or some other OS manufactorer , which he/she does n't want to use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was travelling in China a year ago.
I bought an Asus EEE pc there, and without asking me the salesperson started to install a pirated version of Windows.
I was quite surprised when I discovered what he was doing; and he evenmore so, when I explained to him that I wanted Linux on the computer:) And this is actually a good thing.
Having a free Linux OS pre-installed, gives the customer the ability to choose what OS he/she wants to install, without donating money to Microsoft, Apple, or some other OS manufactorer, which he/she doesn't want to use.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362872</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>initialE</author>
	<datestamp>1260265020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the Dell Mini 9 there was a restriction on the amount of HD space available if buying XP - 8GB max. People buying the linux edition had the option of getting 16GB. So in this case Microsoft licensing terms turned around and bit them in the ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the Dell Mini 9 there was a restriction on the amount of HD space available if buying XP - 8GB max .
People buying the linux edition had the option of getting 16GB .
So in this case Microsoft licensing terms turned around and bit them in the ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the Dell Mini 9 there was a restriction on the amount of HD space available if buying XP - 8GB max.
People buying the linux edition had the option of getting 16GB.
So in this case Microsoft licensing terms turned around and bit them in the ass.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361622</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361516</id>
	<title>98\% of Statistics are lies</title>
	<author>slater86</author>
	<datestamp>1260205500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>One would assume that 32\% of Dell's sales does not equal 32\% of the Market or is that an inconvenient truth for the story</htmltext>
<tokenext>One would assume that 32 \ % of Dell 's sales does not equal 32 \ % of the Market or is that an inconvenient truth for the story</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One would assume that 32\% of Dell's sales does not equal 32\% of the Market or is that an inconvenient truth for the story</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361732</id>
	<title>Yeah sure, they're running Linux</title>
	<author>lseltzer</author>
	<datestamp>1260207480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure all of them end up with a pirated copy of XP before too long.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure all of them end up with a pirated copy of XP before too long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure all of them end up with a pirated copy of XP before too long.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361346</id>
	<title>Suck my cock</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260204120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>bitch</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>bitch</tokentext>
<sentencetext>bitch</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361836</id>
	<title>Re:Oh really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260208920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm so tired of hearing this 'no professional level music tools on linux' rubbish.

Try Ardour.  You can even use VST plugins if you really want to (though I wouldn't, too many are rubbish).  I've been a recording engineer for close to twenty years and I find the only barrier I have to using it professionally is uninformed bigotry from ProTools users who regard themselves as the centre of the universe.

Also, if it taking you DAYS to get jack working, you are definitely doing it wrong or your computer is from Mars.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm so tired of hearing this 'no professional level music tools on linux ' rubbish .
Try Ardour .
You can even use VST plugins if you really want to ( though I would n't , too many are rubbish ) .
I 've been a recording engineer for close to twenty years and I find the only barrier I have to using it professionally is uninformed bigotry from ProTools users who regard themselves as the centre of the universe .
Also , if it taking you DAYS to get jack working , you are definitely doing it wrong or your computer is from Mars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm so tired of hearing this 'no professional level music tools on linux' rubbish.
Try Ardour.
You can even use VST plugins if you really want to (though I wouldn't, too many are rubbish).
I've been a recording engineer for close to twenty years and I find the only barrier I have to using it professionally is uninformed bigotry from ProTools users who regard themselves as the centre of the universe.
Also, if it taking you DAYS to get jack working, you are definitely doing it wrong or your computer is from Mars.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361236</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30364452</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>morgauxo</author>
	<datestamp>1260284040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a pretty big Linux fan but I've got to admit he has a point.  If the difference is only $7 I can pocket the XP license and install Linux myself.  I suspect that when I get my netbook (I'm a little behind on the hardware) I'll probably want to try out a few distros and probably won't settle with the one it ships with anyway.  Meanwhile I have an XP license which I may want to run in a virtual machine or give to a friend some day. (No, I don't believe in the EULA, if I bought it I can give it away, it's mine)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a pretty big Linux fan but I 've got to admit he has a point .
If the difference is only $ 7 I can pocket the XP license and install Linux myself .
I suspect that when I get my netbook ( I 'm a little behind on the hardware ) I 'll probably want to try out a few distros and probably wo n't settle with the one it ships with anyway .
Meanwhile I have an XP license which I may want to run in a virtual machine or give to a friend some day .
( No , I do n't believe in the EULA , if I bought it I can give it away , it 's mine )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a pretty big Linux fan but I've got to admit he has a point.
If the difference is only $7 I can pocket the XP license and install Linux myself.
I suspect that when I get my netbook (I'm a little behind on the hardware) I'll probably want to try out a few distros and probably won't settle with the one it ships with anyway.
Meanwhile I have an XP license which I may want to run in a virtual machine or give to a friend some day.
(No, I don't believe in the EULA, if I bought it I can give it away, it's mine)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361622</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363880</id>
	<title>Re:Oh really?</title>
	<author>imakemusic</author>
	<datestamp>1260279180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only barrier stopping me using Linux for making music is that it's hard to write when there's no sound coming out of the speakers. Other than that it's great!</p><p>I like Linux and yes, you <em>can</em> use it for audio but it really is nowhere near as easy as it is with Windows or Mac OS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only barrier stopping me using Linux for making music is that it 's hard to write when there 's no sound coming out of the speakers .
Other than that it 's great ! I like Linux and yes , you can use it for audio but it really is nowhere near as easy as it is with Windows or Mac OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only barrier stopping me using Linux for making music is that it's hard to write when there's no sound coming out of the speakers.
Other than that it's great!I like Linux and yes, you can use it for audio but it really is nowhere near as easy as it is with Windows or Mac OS.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361836</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30372470</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>VoltageX</author>
	<datestamp>1260278100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Must vary from store to store. JB Hifi in the Canberra Centre is all Win7/XP</htmltext>
<tokenext>Must vary from store to store .
JB Hifi in the Canberra Centre is all Win7/XP</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Must vary from store to store.
JB Hifi in the Canberra Centre is all Win7/XP</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361480</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361256</id>
	<title>Casts doubt on Microsoft?</title>
	<author>93 Escort Wagon</author>
	<datestamp>1260203520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd love for this to be true - but frankly, I think this casts more doubt on the veracity of Mr. Orr. This really is a ridiculous number.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd love for this to be true - but frankly , I think this casts more doubt on the veracity of Mr. Orr. This really is a ridiculous number .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd love for this to be true - but frankly, I think this casts more doubt on the veracity of Mr. Orr. This really is a ridiculous number.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363346</id>
	<title>Re:Why can't I buy one then?</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1260272280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home/Laptops/ct.aspx?refid=notebooks&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=ukdhs#subcats=&amp;navla=&amp;a=65235~0~399477" title="dell.com">http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home/Laptops/ct.aspx?refid=notebooks&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=ukdhs#subcats=&amp;navla=&amp;a=65235~0~399477</a> [dell.com]</p><p>If that does not work you just have to type Linux in the search box in Dell's UK website.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home/Laptops/ct.aspx ? refid = notebooks&amp;s = dhs&amp;cs = ukdhs # subcats = &amp;navla = &amp;a = 65235 ~ 0 ~ 399477 [ dell.com ] If that does not work you just have to type Linux in the search box in Dell 's UK website .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/home/Laptops/ct.aspx?refid=notebooks&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=ukdhs#subcats=&amp;navla=&amp;a=65235~0~399477 [dell.com]If that does not work you just have to type Linux in the search box in Dell's UK website.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362884</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363266</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260270720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I know the conversation is "who needs Windows on netbooks?", but it's still at 68\%<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p><p>As I post this reply, maybe it's down to 65\% -- or less...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I know the conversation is " who needs Windows on netbooks ?
" , but it 's still at 68 \ % : PAs I post this reply , maybe it 's down to 65 \ % -- or less.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I know the conversation is "who needs Windows on netbooks?
", but it's still at 68\% :PAs I post this reply, maybe it's down to 65\% -- or less...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361640</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361926</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>hitmark</author>
	<datestamp>1260209700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>nah, unless they build their own computers, they dont.</p><p>they just select what windows they want at first boot, and then make use of the hidden rescue partition image whenever there is a virus or similar that cant be pried out by the typical norton package that came bundled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>nah , unless they build their own computers , they dont.they just select what windows they want at first boot , and then make use of the hidden rescue partition image whenever there is a virus or similar that cant be pried out by the typical norton package that came bundled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nah, unless they build their own computers, they dont.they just select what windows they want at first boot, and then make use of the hidden rescue partition image whenever there is a virus or similar that cant be pried out by the typical norton package that came bundled.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361296</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361266</id>
	<title>EeePC 701</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260203580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bought an EeePC 701 that came preinstalled with Xandros.

Within an hour of bringing it home I started installing WindowsXP. Been a satisfied XP Netbook user ever since.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought an EeePC 701 that came preinstalled with Xandros .
Within an hour of bringing it home I started installing WindowsXP .
Been a satisfied XP Netbook user ever since .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought an EeePC 701 that came preinstalled with Xandros.
Within an hour of bringing it home I started installing WindowsXP.
Been a satisfied XP Netbook user ever since.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362306</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>slugstone</author>
	<datestamp>1260213720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Of course, you'll probably want to nuke the "linux" on them and put Ubuntu on it.</p></div><p>I thought Ubuntu was Linux.  You learn something new every day.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , you 'll probably want to nuke the " linux " on them and put Ubuntu on it.I thought Ubuntu was Linux .
You learn something new every day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, you'll probably want to nuke the "linux" on them and put Ubuntu on it.I thought Ubuntu was Linux.
You learn something new every day.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361260</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361534</id>
	<title>I tribble boot, but prefer Ubuntu currently.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260205620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought my mini-9 to hackintosh, and actually have it triple booting now Win7, OSX10.6.2, Ubuntu9.10, and find myself spending 90\% of the time in Ubuntu -- that being said I'm starting to use Win7 more, only because it's the only OS that plays Hulu and Youtube cleanly without massive undertaking.  It can be made to work under Unbuntu9.10, but it will take about 2-5 hours of work from what I can see -- the problem is because both Adobe and Intel leave linux on the back burner and worry about every else first when it comes to bug fixing, and there are problems with both the Intel GMA 950 drivers, and naturally Flash is a buggy mess, but The win7 solution is almost finished, whereas they are barely started on the OS X and Linux bugfixes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought my mini-9 to hackintosh , and actually have it triple booting now Win7 , OSX10.6.2 , Ubuntu9.10 , and find myself spending 90 \ % of the time in Ubuntu -- that being said I 'm starting to use Win7 more , only because it 's the only OS that plays Hulu and Youtube cleanly without massive undertaking .
It can be made to work under Unbuntu9.10 , but it will take about 2-5 hours of work from what I can see -- the problem is because both Adobe and Intel leave linux on the back burner and worry about every else first when it comes to bug fixing , and there are problems with both the Intel GMA 950 drivers , and naturally Flash is a buggy mess , but The win7 solution is almost finished , whereas they are barely started on the OS X and Linux bugfixes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought my mini-9 to hackintosh, and actually have it triple booting now Win7, OSX10.6.2, Ubuntu9.10, and find myself spending 90\% of the time in Ubuntu -- that being said I'm starting to use Win7 more, only because it's the only OS that plays Hulu and Youtube cleanly without massive undertaking.
It can be made to work under Unbuntu9.10, but it will take about 2-5 hours of work from what I can see -- the problem is because both Adobe and Intel leave linux on the back burner and worry about every else first when it comes to bug fixing, and there are problems with both the Intel GMA 950 drivers, and naturally Flash is a buggy mess, but The win7 solution is almost finished, whereas they are barely started on the OS X and Linux bugfixes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30367154</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1260296040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>XP is really, really old. So it doesn't have built-in drivers for any of your stuff, which makes installation pretty painful. Unless you're using a SP3 CD, in which case it's at least a tiny bit updated, but you probably weren't.</p><p><i>I wonder how many 'average' users would get XP, Vista or 7 working on a desktop, let alone a netbook.</i></p><p>Two points here:</p><p>1) "average" users don't install OSes. That's some kind of crazy Linux-user fantasy.<br>2) Vista or Windows 7 would be much, much easier to install than XP.</p><p>Tell you what, go find a Linux distro circa XP's release (late 2001, I believe?) and install that on the same beige box. Report back how well it does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>XP is really , really old .
So it does n't have built-in drivers for any of your stuff , which makes installation pretty painful .
Unless you 're using a SP3 CD , in which case it 's at least a tiny bit updated , but you probably were n't.I wonder how many 'average ' users would get XP , Vista or 7 working on a desktop , let alone a netbook.Two points here : 1 ) " average " users do n't install OSes .
That 's some kind of crazy Linux-user fantasy.2 ) Vista or Windows 7 would be much , much easier to install than XP.Tell you what , go find a Linux distro circa XP 's release ( late 2001 , I believe ?
) and install that on the same beige box .
Report back how well it does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>XP is really, really old.
So it doesn't have built-in drivers for any of your stuff, which makes installation pretty painful.
Unless you're using a SP3 CD, in which case it's at least a tiny bit updated, but you probably weren't.I wonder how many 'average' users would get XP, Vista or 7 working on a desktop, let alone a netbook.Two points here:1) "average" users don't install OSes.
That's some kind of crazy Linux-user fantasy.2) Vista or Windows 7 would be much, much easier to install than XP.Tell you what, go find a Linux distro circa XP's release (late 2001, I believe?
) and install that on the same beige box.
Report back how well it does.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30384022</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>lsatenstein</author>
	<datestamp>1259592660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Why would someone purchase a linux based laptop at around equal price as a windows one to go through the extra steps to avoid paying $7 for a Windows XP Home License ?

For the vendor to save the Microsoft tax.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would someone purchase a linux based laptop at around equal price as a windows one to go through the extra steps to avoid paying $ 7 for a Windows XP Home License ?
For the vendor to save the Microsoft tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Why would someone purchase a linux based laptop at around equal price as a windows one to go through the extra steps to avoid paying $7 for a Windows XP Home License ?
For the vendor to save the Microsoft tax.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363180</id>
	<title>Re:Oh really?</title>
	<author>Bert64</author>
	<datestamp>1260269220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would you really be using a netbook as a highend audio production system?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would you really be using a netbook as a highend audio production system ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would you really be using a netbook as a highend audio production system?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362200</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260212520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Netbooks are simply small computers.</p></div> </blockquote><p>

There is small, cheap and powerful.<br> <br>

You can only pick two. Netbooks are small and cheap, if you want small and powerful then you aren't looking for a netbook.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Netbooks are simply small computers .
There is small , cheap and powerful .
You can only pick two .
Netbooks are small and cheap , if you want small and powerful then you are n't looking for a netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Netbooks are simply small computers.
There is small, cheap and powerful.
You can only pick two.
Netbooks are small and cheap, if you want small and powerful then you aren't looking for a netbook.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362064</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260211140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why would someone purchase a linux based laptop at around equal price as a windows one to go through the extra steps to avoid paying $7 for a Windows XP Home License ?</p></div><p>I don't know about equal price; I've bought my HP Mini 5101 with SLED11 because it was $50 cheaper than the same version with XP, and I wanted to install 7 on it anyway (for which I have a separate license already).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would someone purchase a linux based laptop at around equal price as a windows one to go through the extra steps to avoid paying $ 7 for a Windows XP Home License ? I do n't know about equal price ; I 've bought my HP Mini 5101 with SLED11 because it was $ 50 cheaper than the same version with XP , and I wanted to install 7 on it anyway ( for which I have a separate license already ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would someone purchase a linux based laptop at around equal price as a windows one to go through the extra steps to avoid paying $7 for a Windows XP Home License ?I don't know about equal price; I've bought my HP Mini 5101 with SLED11 because it was $50 cheaper than the same version with XP, and I wanted to install 7 on it anyway (for which I have a separate license already).
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362578</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260303660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>+1 in Europe.</p><p>Walk into shops and one can have any combination<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... as long as it is with Windows. With Linux: it is simpler to find the Lost Ark. If one want a more specific item: a latest model with Ubuntu out of the box, 12", 4GB RAM, 500GB HD; "Sir, buy the laptop with Windows, pay the Window tax, install Ubuntu yourself and go through the hassle of looking for the F*****g WIFI driver, etc."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 in Europe.Walk into shops and one can have any combination ... as long as it is with Windows .
With Linux : it is simpler to find the Lost Ark .
If one want a more specific item : a latest model with Ubuntu out of the box , 12 " , 4GB RAM , 500GB HD ; " Sir , buy the laptop with Windows , pay the Window tax , install Ubuntu yourself and go through the hassle of looking for the F * * * * * g WIFI driver , etc .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 in Europe.Walk into shops and one can have any combination ... as long as it is with Windows.
With Linux: it is simpler to find the Lost Ark.
If one want a more specific item: a latest model with Ubuntu out of the box, 12", 4GB RAM, 500GB HD; "Sir, buy the laptop with Windows, pay the Window tax, install Ubuntu yourself and go through the hassle of looking for the F*****g WIFI driver, etc.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30364616</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260285000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My experience has been that Ubuntu can be pretty heavyweight for a Netbook (heavier than the craplinux (or whatever it's called) that comes installed on most of them). I've come to be a fan of Arch Linux on netbooks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My experience has been that Ubuntu can be pretty heavyweight for a Netbook ( heavier than the craplinux ( or whatever it 's called ) that comes installed on most of them ) .
I 've come to be a fan of Arch Linux on netbooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My experience has been that Ubuntu can be pretty heavyweight for a Netbook (heavier than the craplinux (or whatever it's called) that comes installed on most of them).
I've come to be a fan of Arch Linux on netbooks.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361876</id>
	<title>Re:This Just In:</title>
	<author>rrohbeck</author>
	<datestamp>1260209160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have several old XP licenses (from machines that I converted to Linux)  and used one to run XP in a VM for Outlook. That's all I need it for. Maybe one day I'll try to get it to work with Wine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have several old XP licenses ( from machines that I converted to Linux ) and used one to run XP in a VM for Outlook .
That 's all I need it for .
Maybe one day I 'll try to get it to work with Wine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have several old XP licenses (from machines that I converted to Linux)  and used one to run XP in a VM for Outlook.
That's all I need it for.
Maybe one day I'll try to get it to work with Wine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361738</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder if many install Windows themselves</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260207540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm a Linux user myself, but I just installed XP on a common desktop box tonight and it was painful.</p></div></blockquote><p>

I totally agree with this. I have done a number of installations on hardware that pre-dated XP-SP3 using an XP disk with SP3 streamed in. Lots of hardware is not supported. I have even come across a laptop where the standard sound driver from the chipset manufacturer will work -- as long as you don't want to use the built-in speakers. The last install I did left me with a system with no working NICs. I ended up booting into Linux so that I could download the Windows network drivers onto the system. <br> <br>
After installing XP, you then have to install some applications, update it multiple times to get all the updates. Most Linux installs are way easier.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a Linux user myself , but I just installed XP on a common desktop box tonight and it was painful .
I totally agree with this .
I have done a number of installations on hardware that pre-dated XP-SP3 using an XP disk with SP3 streamed in .
Lots of hardware is not supported .
I have even come across a laptop where the standard sound driver from the chipset manufacturer will work -- as long as you do n't want to use the built-in speakers .
The last install I did left me with a system with no working NICs .
I ended up booting into Linux so that I could download the Windows network drivers onto the system .
After installing XP , you then have to install some applications , update it multiple times to get all the updates .
Most Linux installs are way easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a Linux user myself, but I just installed XP on a common desktop box tonight and it was painful.
I totally agree with this.
I have done a number of installations on hardware that pre-dated XP-SP3 using an XP disk with SP3 streamed in.
Lots of hardware is not supported.
I have even come across a laptop where the standard sound driver from the chipset manufacturer will work -- as long as you don't want to use the built-in speakers.
The last install I did left me with a system with no working NICs.
I ended up booting into Linux so that I could download the Windows network drivers onto the system.
After installing XP, you then have to install some applications, update it multiple times to get all the updates.
Most Linux installs are way easier.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362600</id>
	<title>Linux is good for audio editing</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1260303900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that, I recall reading a post on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. singing the praises of Linux exactly for working with audio ("jack ftw", somewhat paraphrased and condensed).</p><p>It's a shame I can't find the link, and of course one person's success story isn't statistics, but it suggests that Linux does do audio work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that , I recall reading a post on / .
singing the praises of Linux exactly for working with audio ( " jack ftw " , somewhat paraphrased and condensed ) .It 's a shame I ca n't find the link , and of course one person 's success story is n't statistics , but it suggests that Linux does do audio work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that, I recall reading a post on /.
singing the praises of Linux exactly for working with audio ("jack ftw", somewhat paraphrased and condensed).It's a shame I can't find the link, and of course one person's success story isn't statistics, but it suggests that Linux does do audio work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30363314</id>
	<title>One.</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1260271740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yours.</p><p>Some people live in a world of their own thinking it revolves around what they do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yours.Some people live in a world of their own thinking it revolves around what they do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yours.Some people live in a world of their own thinking it revolves around what they do.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30362624</id>
	<title>Re:A view from Asia-Pacific</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260304380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Netbooks are simply small computers. They should have the capability to do whatever we want with them - this argument that netbooks are destined to only be low spec is short-sighted.</p></div><p>\_power\_ may be functionality/features/speed.</p><p>Small form factor + low power (maybe even + low cost)= Netbook</p><p>Small form factor + high power = Ultra Mobile PC.</p><p>Two different markets. Many ppl can only afford $$$ to be in the first market. It doesn't stop them from complaining that that market isn't the second one. They either need to know the right terminology for the product they desire, or they need to shut up and live within their means.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Netbooks are simply small computers .
They should have the capability to do whatever we want with them - this argument that netbooks are destined to only be low spec is short-sighted. \ _power \ _ may be functionality/features/speed.Small form factor + low power ( maybe even + low cost ) = NetbookSmall form factor + high power = Ultra Mobile PC.Two different markets .
Many ppl can only afford $ $ $ to be in the first market .
It does n't stop them from complaining that that market is n't the second one .
They either need to know the right terminology for the product they desire , or they need to shut up and live within their means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Netbooks are simply small computers.
They should have the capability to do whatever we want with them - this argument that netbooks are destined to only be low spec is short-sighted.\_power\_ may be functionality/features/speed.Small form factor + low power (maybe even + low cost)= NetbookSmall form factor + high power = Ultra Mobile PC.Two different markets.
Many ppl can only afford $$$ to be in the first market.
It doesn't stop them from complaining that that market isn't the second one.
They either need to know the right terminology for the product they desire, or they need to shut up and live within their means.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361338</id>
	<title>Re:Oblig Simpson Quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260204120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>And 80\% of those netbooks running pirated windows in 3...2......</htmltext>
<tokenext>And 80 \ % of those netbooks running pirated windows in 3...2..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And 80\% of those netbooks running pirated windows in 3...2......</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30364128</id>
	<title>Is it time to start "2010 Year of Linux"?</title>
	<author>MistrBlank</author>
	<datestamp>1260282180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it time to start "2010 Year of Linux" celebration just yet?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it time to start " 2010 Year of Linux " celebration just yet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it time to start "2010 Year of Linux" celebration just yet?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_08_0028237.30361632</id>
	<title>So, Linux has an 8\% overall share?</title>
	<author>cyberjessy</author>
	<datestamp>1260206520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The numbers don't add up.</p><p>About <a href="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/display/20091104230347\_Netbook\_Market\_On\_Trakc\_for\_35\_Million\_Shipped\_Units\_in\_2009\_Analysts.html" title="xbitlabs.com">35 million netbooks</a> [xbitlabs.com] are on track to be shipped in 2009.</p><p>That's about 20\% of all shipments.</p><p>If linux is a third of netbook volume, overall linux market share (through netbook sales alone) is about 6\%.<br>Add 2\% for Linux on regular desktops and notebooks.</p><p>Linux share @ 8\% of all new PCs shipped calls for celebration. But I doubt it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The numbers do n't add up.About 35 million netbooks [ xbitlabs.com ] are on track to be shipped in 2009.That 's about 20 \ % of all shipments.If linux is a third of netbook volume , overall linux market share ( through netbook sales alone ) is about 6 \ % .Add 2 \ % for Linux on regular desktops and notebooks.Linux share @ 8 \ % of all new PCs shipped calls for celebration .
But I doubt it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The numbers don't add up.About 35 million netbooks [xbitlabs.com] are on track to be shipped in 2009.That's about 20\% of all shipments.If linux is a third of netbook volume, overall linux market share (through netbook sales alone) is about 6\%.Add 2\% for Linux on regular desktops and notebooks.Linux share @ 8\% of all new PCs shipped calls for celebration.
But I doubt it.</sentencetext>
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