<article>
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	<title>Not All iPods &mdash; Vinyl and Turntables Gain Sales</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1260175140000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Says the <em>New York Times</em>: <i>"With the curious resurgence of vinyl, a parallel revival has emerged: The turntable, once thought to have taken up obsolescence with eight-track tape players, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/07/nyregion/07vinyl.html?partner=rss&amp;emc=rss">has been reborn</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Says the New York Times : " With the curious resurgence of vinyl , a parallel revival has emerged : The turntable , once thought to have taken up obsolescence with eight-track tape players , has been reborn .
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<sentencetext>Says the New York Times: "With the curious resurgence of vinyl, a parallel revival has emerged: The turntable, once thought to have taken up obsolescence with eight-track tape players, has been reborn.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30358818</id>
	<title>Authorized MP3s</title>
	<author>tholomyes</author>
	<datestamp>1260186300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another reason to like vinyl is that a lot of new records come with coupons for a high quality MP3 download of the tracks on the album. Contrast this to CDs, increasingly plastered with anti-piracy warnings and new DRM measures (with rootkits thrown in for good measure), and I know which format I would rather support, to say nothing of the archival quality.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another reason to like vinyl is that a lot of new records come with coupons for a high quality MP3 download of the tracks on the album .
Contrast this to CDs , increasingly plastered with anti-piracy warnings and new DRM measures ( with rootkits thrown in for good measure ) , and I know which format I would rather support , to say nothing of the archival quality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another reason to like vinyl is that a lot of new records come with coupons for a high quality MP3 download of the tracks on the album.
Contrast this to CDs, increasingly plastered with anti-piracy warnings and new DRM measures (with rootkits thrown in for good measure), and I know which format I would rather support, to say nothing of the archival quality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352066</id>
	<title>Re:It's been growing for a while...</title>
	<author>radtea</author>
	<datestamp>1260197100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Me and my friends have been talking about the resurgence of vinyl DJs for years</i></p><p>This pretty much explains the boring "vinyl is the new black" story that has popped up with completely predictable regularity every few years since the mid 80's.</p><p>"Me and my friends" want to be cool and trendy (and ungrammatical, although I've probably spelled "ungrammatical" wrong) and ahead of the great unwashed, so we're going to say that vinyl is the greatest thing and about to make a come-back so we can say we were the first.</p><p>Unfortunately for the trendy kids, vinyl has been "about to make a comeback" since 1990.  It isn't clear how repeating the same tired old chesnut is remotely trendy.</p><p>When vinyl gets up over a few percent of the total music market, I'll be willing to say it's making a comeback.  Hanging on to a less-than-1\% niche isn't a comeback.  It's a nostalgia item.</p><p>And your quest for exclusivity?  Welcome to the digital world.  Nothing but your actual skills and talents are even remotely exclusive to you.  Anything that can be copied, will be.  The search for exclusive content is a sad wet relic of the analog age.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Me and my friends have been talking about the resurgence of vinyl DJs for yearsThis pretty much explains the boring " vinyl is the new black " story that has popped up with completely predictable regularity every few years since the mid 80 's .
" Me and my friends " want to be cool and trendy ( and ungrammatical , although I 've probably spelled " ungrammatical " wrong ) and ahead of the great unwashed , so we 're going to say that vinyl is the greatest thing and about to make a come-back so we can say we were the first.Unfortunately for the trendy kids , vinyl has been " about to make a comeback " since 1990 .
It is n't clear how repeating the same tired old chesnut is remotely trendy.When vinyl gets up over a few percent of the total music market , I 'll be willing to say it 's making a comeback .
Hanging on to a less-than-1 \ % niche is n't a comeback .
It 's a nostalgia item.And your quest for exclusivity ?
Welcome to the digital world .
Nothing but your actual skills and talents are even remotely exclusive to you .
Anything that can be copied , will be .
The search for exclusive content is a sad wet relic of the analog age .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Me and my friends have been talking about the resurgence of vinyl DJs for yearsThis pretty much explains the boring "vinyl is the new black" story that has popped up with completely predictable regularity every few years since the mid 80's.
"Me and my friends" want to be cool and trendy (and ungrammatical, although I've probably spelled "ungrammatical" wrong) and ahead of the great unwashed, so we're going to say that vinyl is the greatest thing and about to make a come-back so we can say we were the first.Unfortunately for the trendy kids, vinyl has been "about to make a comeback" since 1990.
It isn't clear how repeating the same tired old chesnut is remotely trendy.When vinyl gets up over a few percent of the total music market, I'll be willing to say it's making a comeback.
Hanging on to a less-than-1\% niche isn't a comeback.
It's a nostalgia item.And your quest for exclusivity?
Welcome to the digital world.
Nothing but your actual skills and talents are even remotely exclusive to you.
Anything that can be copied, will be.
The search for exclusive content is a sad wet relic of the analog age.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351634</id>
	<title>Vinyl never died ...</title>
	<author>freaker\_TuC</author>
	<datestamp>1260194640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm still using vinyl, 12" records as main source to play with as DJ, cd's are having their own limits while vinyl does handle easier/better and sounds overall warmer in a club too...</p><p>Vinyl is still for sale in shops all over Belgium and Holland ; basically it never died<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. it only got it's wintersleep because they tried to forget it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm still using vinyl , 12 " records as main source to play with as DJ , cd 's are having their own limits while vinyl does handle easier/better and sounds overall warmer in a club too...Vinyl is still for sale in shops all over Belgium and Holland ; basically it never died .. it only got it 's wintersleep because they tried to forget it .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm still using vinyl, 12" records as main source to play with as DJ, cd's are having their own limits while vinyl does handle easier/better and sounds overall warmer in a club too...Vinyl is still for sale in shops all over Belgium and Holland ; basically it never died .. it only got it's wintersleep because they tried to forget it ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30355364</id>
	<title>Re:Vinyl...</title>
	<author>Chelloveck</author>
	<datestamp>1260211620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hear you can vastly improve the sound quality of your vinyl by coloring the outer rim with a green magic marker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hear you can vastly improve the sound quality of your vinyl by coloring the outer rim with a green magic marker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hear you can vastly improve the sound quality of your vinyl by coloring the outer rim with a green magic marker.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351022</id>
	<title>Vinyl?! How absurd!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260185640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I prefer to the warm, dulcet buzzes and clicks of wax cylinders played on a phonograph. I have refined and sophisticated sensibilities that preclude me from listening to music on an inferior medium such as vinyl.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I prefer to the warm , dulcet buzzes and clicks of wax cylinders played on a phonograph .
I have refined and sophisticated sensibilities that preclude me from listening to music on an inferior medium such as vinyl .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I prefer to the warm, dulcet buzzes and clicks of wax cylinders played on a phonograph.
I have refined and sophisticated sensibilities that preclude me from listening to music on an inferior medium such as vinyl.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30354702</id>
	<title>Vinyl only releases</title>
	<author>highfidelitychris</author>
	<datestamp>1260208680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The thing I haven't seen mentioned is that many releases are still vinyl only.  Many songs/artists never got complete or very good CD releases of their music.  That is the biggest reason I've recently bought a turntable.  It's to hear music I have no other way of acquiring.  But this happens with new artists as well with limited edition 7" singles with a b-side you can't find anywhere else.  Much of the regional music you used to hear back 40-50 years ago never made it to CD either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing I have n't seen mentioned is that many releases are still vinyl only .
Many songs/artists never got complete or very good CD releases of their music .
That is the biggest reason I 've recently bought a turntable .
It 's to hear music I have no other way of acquiring .
But this happens with new artists as well with limited edition 7 " singles with a b-side you ca n't find anywhere else .
Much of the regional music you used to hear back 40-50 years ago never made it to CD either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing I haven't seen mentioned is that many releases are still vinyl only.
Many songs/artists never got complete or very good CD releases of their music.
That is the biggest reason I've recently bought a turntable.
It's to hear music I have no other way of acquiring.
But this happens with new artists as well with limited edition 7" singles with a b-side you can't find anywhere else.
Much of the regional music you used to hear back 40-50 years ago never made it to CD either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30356172</id>
	<title>Re:Pfft...</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1260215580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/8/134958/152" title="kuro5hin.org">http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/8/134958/152</a> [kuro5hin.org] </p><p>"They don't understand vinyl, either. Led Zeppelin's Presence album sounds far better than the equivalent CD; it has more, well, presence. It has sharper highs and deeper lows than the CD version (that is, if you have a good turntable). But the CD of Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit will sound better than the vinyl. Zeppelin was mastered in analog, Nirvana was mastered in digital. If you make an analog recording from a digital source, or a digital recording for an analog source, you get the worst aspects of both mediums and the advantages of neither."</p><p>You wrote that here in 2004: <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/8/134958/152" title="kuro5hin.org">http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/8/134958/152</a> [kuro5hin.org].<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the current release of Zep's "Presence" is digitally mastered... I can't locate any info on the original CD... I had this on LP, before CDs caught on. But it's ridiculous anyway... and "Nevermind" was certainly digitally mastered for the CD. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is one song from "Nevermind", not the whole album... the title does come from that song, the last verse "I find it hard, it's hard to find. Oh well, whatever, nevermind". It was recorded (Butch Vig) and mixed (by Andy Wallace) in analog, and mastered (by Howie Weinberg) separately for LP, CD, and cassette. Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab released a custom analog remix of Nevermind on vinyl as part of its ANADISQ 200 series in 1996.</p><p>There's a misunderstanding about the concept of "mastering".  A recording engineer, the band, whomever, create a final mix, on digital or analog, it doesn't really matter. That's the copy that they submit as the "final" edition of the work. This then goes to a mastering engineer, who prepares it for the specific medium in use. This is true for any recorded medium, whether analog or digital, audio or video, and includes very subtle and sometimes not-so-subtle EQ and other "sweeting" of the work for that particular medium. In the case of making an LP, for example, the mastering engineer also applies the RIAA companding used on all LPs. This is a full curve of cuts and boosts, but specifically, lows are cut by 20dB, and highs are boosted by 20dB, during the mastering process. This allows a full 22 minutes of audio to fit per LP side... full bass would produce gigantic groves, lowering the time considerable, and also causing most tone arms to be sent skating across the disc. As well, highs are boosted by 20dB, to eliminate (on playback, when the 20dB cut is applied) much of the terrible high frequency hiss you pick up at high frequencies on an LP (this is the same basic principle used on Dolby noise reduction used on tape).</p><p>Completely different things are done taking a final digital mix (probably at 24/32-bit at 96/192kHz sampling these days) and producing a CD master: different EQ, downsampling with dithering and noise shaping, etc. Now technically, you could do most of the CD master in analog... and there are plenty of recording and mastering engineers who still use analog gear in the process, going from digital, though analog EQ or other gear, then back to digital... that's actually more of a point of controversy between engineers these days than the use of non-linear digital for recording and storage. The point is, you're still mastering FOR the CD, not simply taking an existing master for another medium onto that CD. And similarly, no one would take a CD master and just drop that on LP, either... they create a new master from the original final mix.</p><p>So yeah, if you did take an analog master, made for an LP or even cassette, just digitize it, and stamp it on a CD, it's going to sound poor. And this was done, sometimes by supposed "accident", other times just to get stuff out for the CD "gold rush".... but [hopefully] not in recent times. And many of those early fails have been digital remastered for CD (occasionally even for the better formats, SACD, DVD-Audio, or Blu-Ray), and</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/8/134958/152 [ kuro5hin.org ] " They do n't understand vinyl , either .
Led Zeppelin 's Presence album sounds far better than the equivalent CD ; it has more , well , presence .
It has sharper highs and deeper lows than the CD version ( that is , if you have a good turntable ) .
But the CD of Nirvana 's Smells Like Teen Spirit will sound better than the vinyl .
Zeppelin was mastered in analog , Nirvana was mastered in digital .
If you make an analog recording from a digital source , or a digital recording for an analog source , you get the worst aspects of both mediums and the advantages of neither .
" You wrote that here in 2004 : http : //www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/8/134958/152 [ kuro5hin.org ] .
... the current release of Zep 's " Presence " is digitally mastered... I ca n't locate any info on the original CD... I had this on LP , before CDs caught on .
But it 's ridiculous anyway... and " Nevermind " was certainly digitally mastered for the CD .
" Smells Like Teen Spirit " is one song from " Nevermind " , not the whole album... the title does come from that song , the last verse " I find it hard , it 's hard to find .
Oh well , whatever , nevermind " .
It was recorded ( Butch Vig ) and mixed ( by Andy Wallace ) in analog , and mastered ( by Howie Weinberg ) separately for LP , CD , and cassette .
Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab released a custom analog remix of Nevermind on vinyl as part of its ANADISQ 200 series in 1996.There 's a misunderstanding about the concept of " mastering " .
A recording engineer , the band , whomever , create a final mix , on digital or analog , it does n't really matter .
That 's the copy that they submit as the " final " edition of the work .
This then goes to a mastering engineer , who prepares it for the specific medium in use .
This is true for any recorded medium , whether analog or digital , audio or video , and includes very subtle and sometimes not-so-subtle EQ and other " sweeting " of the work for that particular medium .
In the case of making an LP , for example , the mastering engineer also applies the RIAA companding used on all LPs .
This is a full curve of cuts and boosts , but specifically , lows are cut by 20dB , and highs are boosted by 20dB , during the mastering process .
This allows a full 22 minutes of audio to fit per LP side... full bass would produce gigantic groves , lowering the time considerable , and also causing most tone arms to be sent skating across the disc .
As well , highs are boosted by 20dB , to eliminate ( on playback , when the 20dB cut is applied ) much of the terrible high frequency hiss you pick up at high frequencies on an LP ( this is the same basic principle used on Dolby noise reduction used on tape ) .Completely different things are done taking a final digital mix ( probably at 24/32-bit at 96/192kHz sampling these days ) and producing a CD master : different EQ , downsampling with dithering and noise shaping , etc .
Now technically , you could do most of the CD master in analog... and there are plenty of recording and mastering engineers who still use analog gear in the process , going from digital , though analog EQ or other gear , then back to digital... that 's actually more of a point of controversy between engineers these days than the use of non-linear digital for recording and storage .
The point is , you 're still mastering FOR the CD , not simply taking an existing master for another medium onto that CD .
And similarly , no one would take a CD master and just drop that on LP , either... they create a new master from the original final mix.So yeah , if you did take an analog master , made for an LP or even cassette , just digitize it , and stamp it on a CD , it 's going to sound poor .
And this was done , sometimes by supposed " accident " , other times just to get stuff out for the CD " gold rush " .... but [ hopefully ] not in recent times .
And many of those early fails have been digital remastered for CD ( occasionally even for the better formats , SACD , DVD-Audio , or Blu-Ray ) , and</tokentext>
<sentencetext> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/8/134958/152 [kuro5hin.org] "They don't understand vinyl, either.
Led Zeppelin's Presence album sounds far better than the equivalent CD; it has more, well, presence.
It has sharper highs and deeper lows than the CD version (that is, if you have a good turntable).
But the CD of Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit will sound better than the vinyl.
Zeppelin was mastered in analog, Nirvana was mastered in digital.
If you make an analog recording from a digital source, or a digital recording for an analog source, you get the worst aspects of both mediums and the advantages of neither.
"You wrote that here in 2004: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/8/134958/152 [kuro5hin.org].
... the current release of Zep's "Presence" is digitally mastered... I can't locate any info on the original CD... I had this on LP, before CDs caught on.
But it's ridiculous anyway... and "Nevermind" was certainly digitally mastered for the CD.
"Smells Like Teen Spirit" is one song from "Nevermind", not the whole album... the title does come from that song, the last verse "I find it hard, it's hard to find.
Oh well, whatever, nevermind".
It was recorded (Butch Vig) and mixed (by Andy Wallace) in analog, and mastered (by Howie Weinberg) separately for LP, CD, and cassette.
Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab released a custom analog remix of Nevermind on vinyl as part of its ANADISQ 200 series in 1996.There's a misunderstanding about the concept of "mastering".
A recording engineer, the band, whomever, create a final mix, on digital or analog, it doesn't really matter.
That's the copy that they submit as the "final" edition of the work.
This then goes to a mastering engineer, who prepares it for the specific medium in use.
This is true for any recorded medium, whether analog or digital, audio or video, and includes very subtle and sometimes not-so-subtle EQ and other "sweeting" of the work for that particular medium.
In the case of making an LP, for example, the mastering engineer also applies the RIAA companding used on all LPs.
This is a full curve of cuts and boosts, but specifically, lows are cut by 20dB, and highs are boosted by 20dB, during the mastering process.
This allows a full 22 minutes of audio to fit per LP side... full bass would produce gigantic groves, lowering the time considerable, and also causing most tone arms to be sent skating across the disc.
As well, highs are boosted by 20dB, to eliminate (on playback, when the 20dB cut is applied) much of the terrible high frequency hiss you pick up at high frequencies on an LP (this is the same basic principle used on Dolby noise reduction used on tape).Completely different things are done taking a final digital mix (probably at 24/32-bit at 96/192kHz sampling these days) and producing a CD master: different EQ, downsampling with dithering and noise shaping, etc.
Now technically, you could do most of the CD master in analog... and there are plenty of recording and mastering engineers who still use analog gear in the process, going from digital, though analog EQ or other gear, then back to digital... that's actually more of a point of controversy between engineers these days than the use of non-linear digital for recording and storage.
The point is, you're still mastering FOR the CD, not simply taking an existing master for another medium onto that CD.
And similarly, no one would take a CD master and just drop that on LP, either... they create a new master from the original final mix.So yeah, if you did take an analog master, made for an LP or even cassette, just digitize it, and stamp it on a CD, it's going to sound poor.
And this was done, sometimes by supposed "accident", other times just to get stuff out for the CD "gold rush".... but [hopefully] not in recent times.
And many of those early fails have been digital remastered for CD (occasionally even for the better formats, SACD, DVD-Audio, or Blu-Ray), and</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350532</id>
	<title>No surprises..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260179580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No surprises. Vinyl sounds better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No surprises .
Vinyl sounds better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No surprises.
Vinyl sounds better.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350468</id>
	<title>Pfft...</title>
	<author>MrNaz</author>
	<datestamp>1260178980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kids these days and their newfangled "vinyl" cheap rubbish. Give me my Bach on a wax cylinder, and then get off my long-dead lawn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kids these days and their newfangled " vinyl " cheap rubbish .
Give me my Bach on a wax cylinder , and then get off my long-dead lawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kids these days and their newfangled "vinyl" cheap rubbish.
Give me my Bach on a wax cylinder, and then get off my long-dead lawn.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351684</id>
	<title>A little like books</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260195240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it's been said above: vinyl is a bit more robust and has the advantage of being much simpler to decode (I know, turntables are expensive, but the physical principle is much simpler than with CDs or digital formats). That means in 100 years mp3 may be all but unknown, but vinyl will still be read the same way. Much like books: even if they make an ebook reader just as easy and inexpensive as a book, and despite the conveniences of the digital format, paper books are still more robust and will still be readable when the Kindle is just an obsolete memory...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's been said above : vinyl is a bit more robust and has the advantage of being much simpler to decode ( I know , turntables are expensive , but the physical principle is much simpler than with CDs or digital formats ) .
That means in 100 years mp3 may be all but unknown , but vinyl will still be read the same way .
Much like books : even if they make an ebook reader just as easy and inexpensive as a book , and despite the conveniences of the digital format , paper books are still more robust and will still be readable when the Kindle is just an obsolete memory.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's been said above: vinyl is a bit more robust and has the advantage of being much simpler to decode (I know, turntables are expensive, but the physical principle is much simpler than with CDs or digital formats).
That means in 100 years mp3 may be all but unknown, but vinyl will still be read the same way.
Much like books: even if they make an ebook reader just as easy and inexpensive as a book, and despite the conveniences of the digital format, paper books are still more robust and will still be readable when the Kindle is just an obsolete memory...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350490</id>
	<title>Looks like the music execs aren't that dumb...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260179160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTFA:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Interest from younger listeners is what convinced music industry executives that vinyl had staying power this time around.</p></div><p>Taking this at face value, it seems like the music industry execs aren't that stupid: the market wants something, let's give it to them.</p><p>Don't they worry about piracy, though?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Some are traditional analog record players; others are designed to connect to computers for converting music to digital files.</p></div><p>Hmm...</p><p>In any case...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>At a glance, the far corner of the main floor of J&amp;R Music looks familiar to anybody old enough to have scratched a record by accident.</p></div><p>I will not buy thees myoosic store.  Eet is skrratshed.</p></div>
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<tokenext>FTFA : Interest from younger listeners is what convinced music industry executives that vinyl had staying power this time around.Taking this at face value , it seems like the music industry execs are n't that stupid : the market wants something , let 's give it to them.Do n't they worry about piracy , though ? Some are traditional analog record players ; others are designed to connect to computers for converting music to digital files.Hmm...In any case...At a glance , the far corner of the main floor of J&amp;R Music looks familiar to anybody old enough to have scratched a record by accident.I will not buy thees myoosic store .
Eet is skrratshed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTFA:Interest from younger listeners is what convinced music industry executives that vinyl had staying power this time around.Taking this at face value, it seems like the music industry execs aren't that stupid: the market wants something, let's give it to them.Don't they worry about piracy, though?Some are traditional analog record players; others are designed to connect to computers for converting music to digital files.Hmm...In any case...At a glance, the far corner of the main floor of J&amp;R Music looks familiar to anybody old enough to have scratched a record by accident.I will not buy thees myoosic store.
Eet is skrratshed.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352416</id>
	<title>Olde Teque</title>
	<author>knysisitis</author>
	<datestamp>1260198660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I've got this old tube home stereo integrated amp that I sometimes use with my turntable - it has a slider switch for selecting whether to use RIAA equalization when playing a record.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA\_equalization/" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA\_equalization/</a> [wikipedia.org] has more detail, but it's basically a preset EQ to playback records encoded with it to help mastering so records can play better and longer. I think this EQ contributes to the "warmth" that people find so endearing in vinyl playback.</p><p>I find it hard to stomach what the RIAA has become today, especially when they were actually trying to help at one time, by making record playback more palatable starting in the '50s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I 've got this old tube home stereo integrated amp that I sometimes use with my turntable - it has a slider switch for selecting whether to use RIAA equalization when playing a record .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA \ _equalization/ [ wikipedia.org ] has more detail , but it 's basically a preset EQ to playback records encoded with it to help mastering so records can play better and longer .
I think this EQ contributes to the " warmth " that people find so endearing in vinyl playback.I find it hard to stomach what the RIAA has become today , especially when they were actually trying to help at one time , by making record playback more palatable starting in the '50s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I've got this old tube home stereo integrated amp that I sometimes use with my turntable - it has a slider switch for selecting whether to use RIAA equalization when playing a record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA\_equalization/ [wikipedia.org] has more detail, but it's basically a preset EQ to playback records encoded with it to help mastering so records can play better and longer.
I think this EQ contributes to the "warmth" that people find so endearing in vinyl playback.I find it hard to stomach what the RIAA has become today, especially when they were actually trying to help at one time, by making record playback more palatable starting in the '50s.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30354978</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260209820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I lost my right leg in the war, you insensitive clod!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I lost my right leg in the war , you insensitive clod !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I lost my right leg in the war, you insensitive clod!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30362760</id>
	<title>Re:physicality of vinyl</title>
	<author>stev\_mccrev</author>
	<datestamp>1260263220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My LPs are going to outlast my CDs.</p></div><p>Absolutely!

I've just been given a huge pile of fantastic old vinyl by my Dad. Beatles, Dylan, etc etc. That he bought in the 60s / 70s when he was around my age.

Call me cynical but does really think they'll be handing their kids this year's iTunes Store purchases in 2040?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My LPs are going to outlast my CDs.Absolutely !
I 've just been given a huge pile of fantastic old vinyl by my Dad .
Beatles , Dylan , etc etc .
That he bought in the 60s / 70s when he was around my age .
Call me cynical but does really think they 'll be handing their kids this year 's iTunes Store purchases in 2040 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My LPs are going to outlast my CDs.Absolutely!
I've just been given a huge pile of fantastic old vinyl by my Dad.
Beatles, Dylan, etc etc.
That he bought in the 60s / 70s when he was around my age.
Call me cynical but does really think they'll be handing their kids this year's iTunes Store purchases in 2040?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30358006</id>
	<title>In other news</title>
	<author>J.R. Random</author>
	<datestamp>1260181920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hear teletype terminals and paper tape are making a come back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hear teletype terminals and paper tape are making a come back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hear teletype terminals and paper tape are making a come back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350716</id>
	<title>Re:Yearly Dupe?</title>
	<author>shaka</author>
	<datestamp>1260181620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Whats surprising is how close this story follows the announcement by Technics that they're ceasing manufacture of their 1200 and 1210 turntables citing low global analog turntable sales.  <a href="http://www.slashgear.com/technics-axe-1200-and-1210-turntables-2764581/" title="slashgear.com">http://www.slashgear.com/technics-axe-1200-and-1210-turntables-2764581/</a> [slashgear.com] </p></div><p>No quite. That was a rumor, the truth is that they're only axing the 1210-MK5, their newest, most luxurious and expensive one, which failed to gain a market.</p><p><a href="http://www.skratchworx.com/news3/comments.php?id=1374" title="skratchworx.com">http://www.skratchworx.com/news3/comments.php?id=1374</a> [skratchworx.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whats surprising is how close this story follows the announcement by Technics that they 're ceasing manufacture of their 1200 and 1210 turntables citing low global analog turntable sales .
http : //www.slashgear.com/technics-axe-1200-and-1210-turntables-2764581/ [ slashgear.com ] No quite .
That was a rumor , the truth is that they 're only axing the 1210-MK5 , their newest , most luxurious and expensive one , which failed to gain a market.http : //www.skratchworx.com/news3/comments.php ? id = 1374 [ skratchworx.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whats surprising is how close this story follows the announcement by Technics that they're ceasing manufacture of their 1200 and 1210 turntables citing low global analog turntable sales.
http://www.slashgear.com/technics-axe-1200-and-1210-turntables-2764581/ [slashgear.com] No quite.
That was a rumor, the truth is that they're only axing the 1210-MK5, their newest, most luxurious and expensive one, which failed to gain a market.http://www.skratchworx.com/news3/comments.php?id=1374 [skratchworx.com]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30360960</id>
	<title>Downloads often provided with vinyl albums</title>
	<author>penguinchris</author>
	<datestamp>1260200820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many labels that are releasing vinyl records these days provide a download code for you to get an mp3 version of the album for free from their website. This is far better than digitizing the record yourself, obviously, and honors fair use. If they don't provide this to you, it's easy enough to just look on pirate bay for it, especially for new releases - and the kind of music hipsters like is usually very easy to find that way.</p><p>The only really useful thing that a turntable that connects to your computer provides (which of course you could do with any turntable via line-in anyway...) is digitizing obscure stuff that's out of print and unavailable on CD or on the internet. In this case, the record company shouldn't care - if they can't be bothered to have the music available for purchase, they really can't complain about people making digital recordings of old records for personal use. Especially since many of them have demonstrated that they understand fair use and respect the consumers by offering free digital versions of their vinyl releases.</p><p>Of course, there is a financial/piracy prevention logic to it as well - even the hippest hipster has an mp3 player, and is going to look for a digital copy of anything they buy on vinyl. If they get it for free from the record company, they won't have to look on piratebay, which means the demand on piratebay is (ever so slightly) diminished.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many labels that are releasing vinyl records these days provide a download code for you to get an mp3 version of the album for free from their website .
This is far better than digitizing the record yourself , obviously , and honors fair use .
If they do n't provide this to you , it 's easy enough to just look on pirate bay for it , especially for new releases - and the kind of music hipsters like is usually very easy to find that way.The only really useful thing that a turntable that connects to your computer provides ( which of course you could do with any turntable via line-in anyway... ) is digitizing obscure stuff that 's out of print and unavailable on CD or on the internet .
In this case , the record company should n't care - if they ca n't be bothered to have the music available for purchase , they really ca n't complain about people making digital recordings of old records for personal use .
Especially since many of them have demonstrated that they understand fair use and respect the consumers by offering free digital versions of their vinyl releases.Of course , there is a financial/piracy prevention logic to it as well - even the hippest hipster has an mp3 player , and is going to look for a digital copy of anything they buy on vinyl .
If they get it for free from the record company , they wo n't have to look on piratebay , which means the demand on piratebay is ( ever so slightly ) diminished .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many labels that are releasing vinyl records these days provide a download code for you to get an mp3 version of the album for free from their website.
This is far better than digitizing the record yourself, obviously, and honors fair use.
If they don't provide this to you, it's easy enough to just look on pirate bay for it, especially for new releases - and the kind of music hipsters like is usually very easy to find that way.The only really useful thing that a turntable that connects to your computer provides (which of course you could do with any turntable via line-in anyway...) is digitizing obscure stuff that's out of print and unavailable on CD or on the internet.
In this case, the record company shouldn't care - if they can't be bothered to have the music available for purchase, they really can't complain about people making digital recordings of old records for personal use.
Especially since many of them have demonstrated that they understand fair use and respect the consumers by offering free digital versions of their vinyl releases.Of course, there is a financial/piracy prevention logic to it as well - even the hippest hipster has an mp3 player, and is going to look for a digital copy of anything they buy on vinyl.
If they get it for free from the record company, they won't have to look on piratebay, which means the demand on piratebay is (ever so slightly) diminished.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30365668</id>
	<title>Re:Random fluctuation</title>
	<author>MacWiz</author>
	<datestamp>1260289620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's exactly what's going on. By limiting the data to the SoundScan years (beginning in 1991), you're basically just looking at the end of the long tail. Add another decade and you can see how insignificant this is.</p><p><a href="http://www.azoz.com/topics/riaastats/vinyl.html" title="azoz.com">http://www.azoz.com/topics/riaastats/vinyl.html</a> [azoz.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's exactly what 's going on .
By limiting the data to the SoundScan years ( beginning in 1991 ) , you 're basically just looking at the end of the long tail .
Add another decade and you can see how insignificant this is.http : //www.azoz.com/topics/riaastats/vinyl.html [ azoz.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's exactly what's going on.
By limiting the data to the SoundScan years (beginning in 1991), you're basically just looking at the end of the long tail.
Add another decade and you can see how insignificant this is.http://www.azoz.com/topics/riaastats/vinyl.html [azoz.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352140</id>
	<title>Re:Yearly Dupe?</title>
	<author>radtea</author>
	<datestamp>1260197520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Seems like there is an article like this posted at least once a year by someone marveling at the "resurgence" of vinyl.</i></p><p>Shhh.... stupid people get angry when you point out their dumb behaviour.</p><p>The phenomenon of "vinyl is about the make a comeback" goes back at least to the early 90's, when vinyl was still a siginificant fraction of the new-music market.  I remember being told knowingly by some idiot audiophile that vinyl was going to be the next big thing in '91 or thereabouts, and was he proud of his deep insight into the future of music and contemptuous of my naive belief that digital music probably had a few advantages that would cause it to complete its sweep of the market in a few years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like there is an article like this posted at least once a year by someone marveling at the " resurgence " of vinyl.Shhh.... stupid people get angry when you point out their dumb behaviour.The phenomenon of " vinyl is about the make a comeback " goes back at least to the early 90 's , when vinyl was still a siginificant fraction of the new-music market .
I remember being told knowingly by some idiot audiophile that vinyl was going to be the next big thing in '91 or thereabouts , and was he proud of his deep insight into the future of music and contemptuous of my naive belief that digital music probably had a few advantages that would cause it to complete its sweep of the market in a few years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like there is an article like this posted at least once a year by someone marveling at the "resurgence" of vinyl.Shhh.... stupid people get angry when you point out their dumb behaviour.The phenomenon of "vinyl is about the make a comeback" goes back at least to the early 90's, when vinyl was still a siginificant fraction of the new-music market.
I remember being told knowingly by some idiot audiophile that vinyl was going to be the next big thing in '91 or thereabouts, and was he proud of his deep insight into the future of music and contemptuous of my naive belief that digital music probably had a few advantages that would cause it to complete its sweep of the market in a few years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30356190</id>
	<title>Re:physicality of vinyl</title>
	<author>sponga</author>
	<datestamp>1260215700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, but at least you can repair a cd with things like 'Dr CD and DVD Repair Device' unless the scratch is too deep. I have probably saved dozens of cd's back when I used them and many Xbox360 games it has been a savior.</p><p>I don't really know of any 'Dr Vinyl Repair'.</p><p>All I know is that in Southern California there was a little niche market for Vinyl records but that all comes from mostly the Hip-Hop/Rave scene people about 7 years ago, than the digital music came and most people were just downloading by than for all their hiphop/underground stuff. So I don't know why Slashdot all of a sudden cares about the Hip-hop scene because that's where 90+\% of the records sales are.</p><p>I remember a concert where they had an album release party. The lead singer asks the crowd if they like the new songs and they should buy it, than he asks who already has it and about 35\% of the crowd raised their hound shouting they had already pirated it. He kind of laughed and shook his head a little, but this was when Napster was coming towards the end.</p><p>I don't get all the articles praising Vinyl and the comeback it has been making for some reason the last year, put your money where your mouth is what the owner of a shop told me if you think it is making a comeback. Because right now he has been basically buying up other stores Vinyl records from stores that have gone the way of disco.</p><p>I coulda sworn we had burned most vinyl records in Chicago anyway.</p><p>1979 Disco Demolition Night, Local News Coverage<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQfCcsqQ0E" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQfCcsqQ0E</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but at least you can repair a cd with things like 'Dr CD and DVD Repair Device ' unless the scratch is too deep .
I have probably saved dozens of cd 's back when I used them and many Xbox360 games it has been a savior.I do n't really know of any 'Dr Vinyl Repair'.All I know is that in Southern California there was a little niche market for Vinyl records but that all comes from mostly the Hip-Hop/Rave scene people about 7 years ago , than the digital music came and most people were just downloading by than for all their hiphop/underground stuff .
So I do n't know why Slashdot all of a sudden cares about the Hip-hop scene because that 's where 90 + \ % of the records sales are.I remember a concert where they had an album release party .
The lead singer asks the crowd if they like the new songs and they should buy it , than he asks who already has it and about 35 \ % of the crowd raised their hound shouting they had already pirated it .
He kind of laughed and shook his head a little , but this was when Napster was coming towards the end.I do n't get all the articles praising Vinyl and the comeback it has been making for some reason the last year , put your money where your mouth is what the owner of a shop told me if you think it is making a comeback .
Because right now he has been basically buying up other stores Vinyl records from stores that have gone the way of disco.I coulda sworn we had burned most vinyl records in Chicago anyway.1979 Disco Demolition Night , Local News Coveragehttp : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = MpQfCcsqQ0E [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but at least you can repair a cd with things like 'Dr CD and DVD Repair Device' unless the scratch is too deep.
I have probably saved dozens of cd's back when I used them and many Xbox360 games it has been a savior.I don't really know of any 'Dr Vinyl Repair'.All I know is that in Southern California there was a little niche market for Vinyl records but that all comes from mostly the Hip-Hop/Rave scene people about 7 years ago, than the digital music came and most people were just downloading by than for all their hiphop/underground stuff.
So I don't know why Slashdot all of a sudden cares about the Hip-hop scene because that's where 90+\% of the records sales are.I remember a concert where they had an album release party.
The lead singer asks the crowd if they like the new songs and they should buy it, than he asks who already has it and about 35\% of the crowd raised their hound shouting they had already pirated it.
He kind of laughed and shook his head a little, but this was when Napster was coming towards the end.I don't get all the articles praising Vinyl and the comeback it has been making for some reason the last year, put your money where your mouth is what the owner of a shop told me if you think it is making a comeback.
Because right now he has been basically buying up other stores Vinyl records from stores that have gone the way of disco.I coulda sworn we had burned most vinyl records in Chicago anyway.1979 Disco Demolition Night, Local News Coveragehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpQfCcsqQ0E [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351030</id>
	<title>Oh fu.... shit.</title>
	<author>specific</author>
	<datestamp>1260185760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOHW8l7FyH4" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOHW8l7FyH4</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = tOHW8l7FyH4 [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOHW8l7FyH4 [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30354548</id>
	<title>Re:When your market is so small</title>
	<author>aztracker1</author>
	<datestamp>1260207960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>How dare you bash Linux, Haiku, etc...</htmltext>
<tokenext>How dare you bash Linux , Haiku , etc.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How dare you bash Linux, Haiku, etc...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351734</id>
	<title>Re:Pfft...</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1260195480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;get off my long-dead lawn.</p><p>Lawns???  That new-fangled idea was imported from the Carnegies and Rockefellers and other hoity-toity richie richs.  It has no business in the 'hood of the common man!  I'm proud to say that my grass grows tall-and-robust, just as God intended, and just like my pappy and grandpappy grew it.  Live humbly, not proud.  Don't be puttin-on airs with fake lawns!</p><p>(wobbles off on cane)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; get off my long-dead lawn.Lawns ? ? ?
That new-fangled idea was imported from the Carnegies and Rockefellers and other hoity-toity richie richs .
It has no business in the 'hood of the common man !
I 'm proud to say that my grass grows tall-and-robust , just as God intended , and just like my pappy and grandpappy grew it .
Live humbly , not proud .
Do n't be puttin-on airs with fake lawns !
( wobbles off on cane )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;get off my long-dead lawn.Lawns???
That new-fangled idea was imported from the Carnegies and Rockefellers and other hoity-toity richie richs.
It has no business in the 'hood of the common man!
I'm proud to say that my grass grows tall-and-robust, just as God intended, and just like my pappy and grandpappy grew it.
Live humbly, not proud.
Don't be puttin-on airs with fake lawns!
(wobbles off on cane)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350564</id>
	<title>Vinyl...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260180000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>for people who think it's not high-quality unless you can hear the artifacts of how low-quality the recording is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>for people who think it 's not high-quality unless you can hear the artifacts of how low-quality the recording is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for people who think it's not high-quality unless you can hear the artifacts of how low-quality the recording is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30363002</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1260266520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no guarantee your LP is mixed any better than your CD... unless you're buying special audiophile pressings, chances are, they get the same base mix. Of course, the truth about quality has never been high on the audiophoole to-do list. If something seems more pretentious, they tend to go for it.</p><p>And sure, there are plenty of LP pressings for audiophiles. But there are plenty of CD/SACD releases as well, done just as well. Even these stupid SHM-CDs... they can't make them sound any better (on decent gear, for certain) by changing the plastic to be more transparent, which is the claim. But they certainly can make them sound better by using a better master. If this ever really catches on as an audiophile format (they're pretty much all Japanese imports right now), it could deliver the correct effect for all the wrong reasons.</p><p>You also don't find heinous compression outside of mainstream popular music, on any format. The main point for the crazy compression is to make the tracks sound loud on the radio... not an issue if you're not getting mainstream pop/rock airplay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no guarantee your LP is mixed any better than your CD... unless you 're buying special audiophile pressings , chances are , they get the same base mix .
Of course , the truth about quality has never been high on the audiophoole to-do list .
If something seems more pretentious , they tend to go for it.And sure , there are plenty of LP pressings for audiophiles .
But there are plenty of CD/SACD releases as well , done just as well .
Even these stupid SHM-CDs... they ca n't make them sound any better ( on decent gear , for certain ) by changing the plastic to be more transparent , which is the claim .
But they certainly can make them sound better by using a better master .
If this ever really catches on as an audiophile format ( they 're pretty much all Japanese imports right now ) , it could deliver the correct effect for all the wrong reasons.You also do n't find heinous compression outside of mainstream popular music , on any format .
The main point for the crazy compression is to make the tracks sound loud on the radio... not an issue if you 're not getting mainstream pop/rock airplay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no guarantee your LP is mixed any better than your CD... unless you're buying special audiophile pressings, chances are, they get the same base mix.
Of course, the truth about quality has never been high on the audiophoole to-do list.
If something seems more pretentious, they tend to go for it.And sure, there are plenty of LP pressings for audiophiles.
But there are plenty of CD/SACD releases as well, done just as well.
Even these stupid SHM-CDs... they can't make them sound any better (on decent gear, for certain) by changing the plastic to be more transparent, which is the claim.
But they certainly can make them sound better by using a better master.
If this ever really catches on as an audiophile format (they're pretty much all Japanese imports right now), it could deliver the correct effect for all the wrong reasons.You also don't find heinous compression outside of mainstream popular music, on any format.
The main point for the crazy compression is to make the tracks sound loud on the radio... not an issue if you're not getting mainstream pop/rock airplay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30354392</id>
	<title>Re:it's a touch-screen of the music man</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260207480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kind of like how instruments are the touch screen of actual musicians...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kind of like how instruments are the touch screen of actual musicians.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kind of like how instruments are the touch screen of actual musicians...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350920</id>
	<title>I need turntable to digitize by old vinyl</title>
	<author>johnsonlam</author>
	<datestamp>1260184140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I listen my vinyl music on my iPhone.

Main reason for vinyl -- before recording the audio to CD, the CDDA audio was "pre-processed", usually a simple +10db gain, to make the sound almost clip, the worsen sound was not revers-able.

I have 70\% of my own song digitize by myself, with proper encoding in 48KHz, CD just let me down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I listen my vinyl music on my iPhone .
Main reason for vinyl -- before recording the audio to CD , the CDDA audio was " pre-processed " , usually a simple + 10db gain , to make the sound almost clip , the worsen sound was not revers-able .
I have 70 \ % of my own song digitize by myself , with proper encoding in 48KHz , CD just let me down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I listen my vinyl music on my iPhone.
Main reason for vinyl -- before recording the audio to CD, the CDDA audio was "pre-processed", usually a simple +10db gain, to make the sound almost clip, the worsen sound was not revers-able.
I have 70\% of my own song digitize by myself, with proper encoding in 48KHz, CD just let me down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351184</id>
	<title>Re:Vinyl DRM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260188580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually they don't need to bother.  Vinyl wears out after a bit so it will need replaced after a a number of plays.  Converting vinyl to digital loses so much sound quality on most equipment that the resulting quality is about 128k mp3.</p><p>However, I'm sure someone will find a way to try to DRM-ize it on top of the additional limitations of LPs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually they do n't need to bother .
Vinyl wears out after a bit so it will need replaced after a a number of plays .
Converting vinyl to digital loses so much sound quality on most equipment that the resulting quality is about 128k mp3.However , I 'm sure someone will find a way to try to DRM-ize it on top of the additional limitations of LPs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually they don't need to bother.
Vinyl wears out after a bit so it will need replaced after a a number of plays.
Converting vinyl to digital loses so much sound quality on most equipment that the resulting quality is about 128k mp3.However, I'm sure someone will find a way to try to DRM-ize it on top of the additional limitations of LPs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30357176</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>AA Wulf</author>
	<datestamp>1260177240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yup, great comic.  However it's about as related as 3 tigers in tub.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , great comic .
However it 's about as related as 3 tigers in tub .
: -P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup, great comic.
However it's about as related as 3 tigers in tub.
:-P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350530</id>
	<title>Is this supposed to be surprising?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260179520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every few months the media spits out a story or five about vinyl being more popular than ever. And they conveniently forget about it so they can do it again in another few months!</p><p>CDs are naturally dying, because broadband is ubiquitous and digital files are good enough to make the format an annoyance.</p><p>If you want to listen to music and have the physical media experience to go along with it, vinyl's a lot better than CDs IMO (and apparently in the opinions of quite a few others, too). Bigger art, more to play with, sounds better, etc.</p><p>That's not even taking dance music culture into account. I just didn't like CDJs' and Traktor's downsides, audio quality, and quirks enough to trade the convenience they gain over vinyl turntables. Also, Technics are cooler, and they haven't made a little wind-up truck that plays CDs yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every few months the media spits out a story or five about vinyl being more popular than ever .
And they conveniently forget about it so they can do it again in another few months ! CDs are naturally dying , because broadband is ubiquitous and digital files are good enough to make the format an annoyance.If you want to listen to music and have the physical media experience to go along with it , vinyl 's a lot better than CDs IMO ( and apparently in the opinions of quite a few others , too ) .
Bigger art , more to play with , sounds better , etc.That 's not even taking dance music culture into account .
I just did n't like CDJs ' and Traktor 's downsides , audio quality , and quirks enough to trade the convenience they gain over vinyl turntables .
Also , Technics are cooler , and they have n't made a little wind-up truck that plays CDs yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every few months the media spits out a story or five about vinyl being more popular than ever.
And they conveniently forget about it so they can do it again in another few months!CDs are naturally dying, because broadband is ubiquitous and digital files are good enough to make the format an annoyance.If you want to listen to music and have the physical media experience to go along with it, vinyl's a lot better than CDs IMO (and apparently in the opinions of quite a few others, too).
Bigger art, more to play with, sounds better, etc.That's not even taking dance music culture into account.
I just didn't like CDJs' and Traktor's downsides, audio quality, and quirks enough to trade the convenience they gain over vinyl turntables.
Also, Technics are cooler, and they haven't made a little wind-up truck that plays CDs yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350676</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>salmonmoose</author>
	<datestamp>1260181260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a "modern" vinyl collector, it's not as stupid as you suggest - my vinyl is purchased purely as a collection, the convenience of digital can't be beat but it's nice to own something that isn't cheap and nasty like a CD.

Yes there's a digital add-on - most records these days come with download vouchers for digital versions of the music - although notably, I've never encountered one from iTunes (thank teapot).</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a " modern " vinyl collector , it 's not as stupid as you suggest - my vinyl is purchased purely as a collection , the convenience of digital ca n't be beat but it 's nice to own something that is n't cheap and nasty like a CD .
Yes there 's a digital add-on - most records these days come with download vouchers for digital versions of the music - although notably , I 've never encountered one from iTunes ( thank teapot ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a "modern" vinyl collector, it's not as stupid as you suggest - my vinyl is purchased purely as a collection, the convenience of digital can't be beat but it's nice to own something that isn't cheap and nasty like a CD.
Yes there's a digital add-on - most records these days come with download vouchers for digital versions of the music - although notably, I've never encountered one from iTunes (thank teapot).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30356748</id>
	<title>Re:Have seen it coming</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1260218460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've noticed (in London) the big chain stores have less and less music and more and more DVDs and games, but I think that's because they can't compete in any market<br>- Popular crap is available from a supermarket, as advertised on TV<br>- Everything else is cheaper on the internet, or more easily available (wider range, knowledgeable staff) at a specialist music store<br>- Most of it is also available to download</p><p>If the vinyl lives on it will only be for record collectors.<br>Music lovers will hopefully be able to buy CDs with good dynamic range, or download equivalent lossless audio files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've noticed ( in London ) the big chain stores have less and less music and more and more DVDs and games , but I think that 's because they ca n't compete in any market- Popular crap is available from a supermarket , as advertised on TV- Everything else is cheaper on the internet , or more easily available ( wider range , knowledgeable staff ) at a specialist music store- Most of it is also available to downloadIf the vinyl lives on it will only be for record collectors.Music lovers will hopefully be able to buy CDs with good dynamic range , or download equivalent lossless audio files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've noticed (in London) the big chain stores have less and less music and more and more DVDs and games, but I think that's because they can't compete in any market- Popular crap is available from a supermarket, as advertised on TV- Everything else is cheaper on the internet, or more easily available (wider range, knowledgeable staff) at a specialist music store- Most of it is also available to downloadIf the vinyl lives on it will only be for record collectors.Music lovers will hopefully be able to buy CDs with good dynamic range, or download equivalent lossless audio files.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350508</id>
	<title>Random fluctuation</title>
	<author>abigsmurf</author>
	<datestamp>1260179340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sales can't drop below zero, at some point sales bottom out and then increase slightly (which may represent a massive \% increase even though sales are still modest).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sales ca n't drop below zero , at some point sales bottom out and then increase slightly ( which may represent a massive \ % increase even though sales are still modest ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sales can't drop below zero, at some point sales bottom out and then increase slightly (which may represent a massive \% increase even though sales are still modest).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350466</id>
	<title>When your market is so small</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1260178980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You only have to sell a couple albums more than usual to claim huge percentage increases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You only have to sell a couple albums more than usual to claim huge percentage increases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You only have to sell a couple albums more than usual to claim huge percentage increases.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30361948</id>
	<title>Re:When your market is so small</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1260209880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DJing is a niche market. While most people know a DJ or have enjoyed the work of a DJ. People generally aren't professional DJs themselves.</p><p>I'm a programmer, the tools I use for programming are as specialized and overpriced as the tools DJs use. And there are probably about the same number of programmers as DJs in the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DJing is a niche market .
While most people know a DJ or have enjoyed the work of a DJ .
People generally are n't professional DJs themselves.I 'm a programmer , the tools I use for programming are as specialized and overpriced as the tools DJs use .
And there are probably about the same number of programmers as DJs in the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DJing is a niche market.
While most people know a DJ or have enjoyed the work of a DJ.
People generally aren't professional DJs themselves.I'm a programmer, the tools I use for programming are as specialized and overpriced as the tools DJs use.
And there are probably about the same number of programmers as DJs in the world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351272</id>
	<title>Vinyl is back!</title>
	<author>portnux</author>
	<datestamp>1260189660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe they can find a way for MP3's to degrade with every play so they can again compete against the turntable?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they can find a way for MP3 's to degrade with every play so they can again compete against the turntable ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they can find a way for MP3's to degrade with every play so they can again compete against the turntable?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351426</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>digitig</author>
	<datestamp>1260191640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't think the news is that people are buying turntables to go along with their records. The news is that so many people are buying records that stores are beginning to stock record players again. And that IS surprising!</p></div><p>In the UK, turntables never <em>completely</em> went out of the stores. They went out of the box-shifting stores but specialist electronics stores such as <a href="http://www.maplin.co.uk/" title="maplin.co.uk">Maplins</a> [maplin.co.uk] kept stocking them. What's surprising is that their website currently lists a turntable as their top product!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think the news is that people are buying turntables to go along with their records .
The news is that so many people are buying records that stores are beginning to stock record players again .
And that IS surprising ! In the UK , turntables never completely went out of the stores .
They went out of the box-shifting stores but specialist electronics stores such as Maplins [ maplin.co.uk ] kept stocking them .
What 's surprising is that their website currently lists a turntable as their top product !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think the news is that people are buying turntables to go along with their records.
The news is that so many people are buying records that stores are beginning to stock record players again.
And that IS surprising!In the UK, turntables never completely went out of the stores.
They went out of the box-shifting stores but specialist electronics stores such as Maplins [maplin.co.uk] kept stocking them.
What's surprising is that their website currently lists a turntable as their top product!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30353384</id>
	<title>Re:When your market is so small</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1260203220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think most DJs now use turntables to "scratch" the digial music they're playing.  I doubt they make up much, if any, of the vinyl market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think most DJs now use turntables to " scratch " the digial music they 're playing .
I doubt they make up much , if any , of the vinyl market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think most DJs now use turntables to "scratch" the digial music they're playing.
I doubt they make up much, if any, of the vinyl market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350632</id>
	<title>Turntables are not reborn</title>
	<author>Khyber</author>
	<datestamp>1260180840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People are just starting to realize that digital DJ equipment tends to suck compared to a set of real turntables and a mixer board with crossfader.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People are just starting to realize that digital DJ equipment tends to suck compared to a set of real turntables and a mixer board with crossfader .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People are just starting to realize that digital DJ equipment tends to suck compared to a set of real turntables and a mixer board with crossfader.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30360972</id>
	<title>Re:Loudness factor?</title>
	<author>NulDevice</author>
	<datestamp>1260200940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes.</p><p>Well, kind of.</p><p>Vinyl has some limitations in terms of just how much you can compress/limit by virtue of the fact that it's a physical medium.  Your needle is only so small.  So by that token it's conceivably less compressed than a CD would be.  But it's still compressed.</p><p>Whether or not smaller labels are getting two separate mastering jobs - one for CD and one for vinyl - I don't know.  It can get kind of pricy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes.Well , kind of.Vinyl has some limitations in terms of just how much you can compress/limit by virtue of the fact that it 's a physical medium .
Your needle is only so small .
So by that token it 's conceivably less compressed than a CD would be .
But it 's still compressed.Whether or not smaller labels are getting two separate mastering jobs - one for CD and one for vinyl - I do n't know .
It can get kind of pricy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.Well, kind of.Vinyl has some limitations in terms of just how much you can compress/limit by virtue of the fact that it's a physical medium.
Your needle is only so small.
So by that token it's conceivably less compressed than a CD would be.
But it's still compressed.Whether or not smaller labels are getting two separate mastering jobs - one for CD and one for vinyl - I don't know.
It can get kind of pricy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30362098</id>
	<title>My thoughts on vinyl</title>
	<author>KingAlanI</author>
	<datestamp>1260211440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dad's turntable and records are still in great shape, so that setup is still quite operational in its own corner of the living room. When in action it sounds quite good, but I figure that's in large part because of large floor speakers rather than small computer-desk speakers.</p><p>It's fun to look through the cases, and it's interesting to see the vinyl versions of some classic albums (Beatles, Zeppelin, etc.). What's really cool though, is looking through all the offbeat stuff that never made the format conversion - I wish that DIY digital conversion wasn't such a pain.</p><p>But when it comes to the main purpose of a music recording:</p><p>The procedure of playing vinyl records just seems like too much of a pain in the ass compared to popping in a CD or firing up your favorite media-player software.</p><p>If the music is really good to begin with, it doesn't need to have a 1337kbps bitrate to sound good.</p><p>A lot of my music collection was built before I really started caring about this stuff - sure, I'll rip newly acquired CDs to FLAC or something, but it's not a big enough issue to me that I'm going to dig out and re-rip all the others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dad 's turntable and records are still in great shape , so that setup is still quite operational in its own corner of the living room .
When in action it sounds quite good , but I figure that 's in large part because of large floor speakers rather than small computer-desk speakers.It 's fun to look through the cases , and it 's interesting to see the vinyl versions of some classic albums ( Beatles , Zeppelin , etc. ) .
What 's really cool though , is looking through all the offbeat stuff that never made the format conversion - I wish that DIY digital conversion was n't such a pain.But when it comes to the main purpose of a music recording : The procedure of playing vinyl records just seems like too much of a pain in the ass compared to popping in a CD or firing up your favorite media-player software.If the music is really good to begin with , it does n't need to have a 1337kbps bitrate to sound good.A lot of my music collection was built before I really started caring about this stuff - sure , I 'll rip newly acquired CDs to FLAC or something , but it 's not a big enough issue to me that I 'm going to dig out and re-rip all the others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dad's turntable and records are still in great shape, so that setup is still quite operational in its own corner of the living room.
When in action it sounds quite good, but I figure that's in large part because of large floor speakers rather than small computer-desk speakers.It's fun to look through the cases, and it's interesting to see the vinyl versions of some classic albums (Beatles, Zeppelin, etc.).
What's really cool though, is looking through all the offbeat stuff that never made the format conversion - I wish that DIY digital conversion wasn't such a pain.But when it comes to the main purpose of a music recording:The procedure of playing vinyl records just seems like too much of a pain in the ass compared to popping in a CD or firing up your favorite media-player software.If the music is really good to begin with, it doesn't need to have a 1337kbps bitrate to sound good.A lot of my music collection was built before I really started caring about this stuff - sure, I'll rip newly acquired CDs to FLAC or something, but it's not a big enough issue to me that I'm going to dig out and re-rip all the others.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30353360</id>
	<title>Did scanner sales increase?</title>
	<author>mangu</author>
	<datestamp>1260203100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What did you expect would happen, people would start buying vinyl records, but just look at them instead of playing them?</p></div></blockquote><p>No, I'd expect people would buy vinyl records and <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=vinyl+scanner" title="google.com">scan them</a> [google.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What did you expect would happen , people would start buying vinyl records , but just look at them instead of playing them ? No , I 'd expect people would buy vinyl records and scan them [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What did you expect would happen, people would start buying vinyl records, but just look at them instead of playing them?No, I'd expect people would buy vinyl records and scan them [google.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352442</id>
	<title>This just in...</title>
	<author>dvoecks</author>
	<datestamp>1260198720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sony has launched a multi-million dollar effort aimed at figuring out how to put a rootkit on a vinyl record.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony has launched a multi-million dollar effort aimed at figuring out how to put a rootkit on a vinyl record .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony has launched a multi-million dollar effort aimed at figuring out how to put a rootkit on a vinyl record.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350572</id>
	<title>Vinyl DRM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260180120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Somewhere, there's a recording executive reading this article and planning on dispatching a team to try to retrofit DRM onto vinyl records somehow.</p><p>Which I imagine would be quite a feat for a purely analog medium.</p><p>Either that, or said executive is now more paranoid about the "analog hole" than ever before, and now believes that people are turning to vinyl to pirate music somehow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Somewhere , there 's a recording executive reading this article and planning on dispatching a team to try to retrofit DRM onto vinyl records somehow.Which I imagine would be quite a feat for a purely analog medium.Either that , or said executive is now more paranoid about the " analog hole " than ever before , and now believes that people are turning to vinyl to pirate music somehow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somewhere, there's a recording executive reading this article and planning on dispatching a team to try to retrofit DRM onto vinyl records somehow.Which I imagine would be quite a feat for a purely analog medium.Either that, or said executive is now more paranoid about the "analog hole" than ever before, and now believes that people are turning to vinyl to pirate music somehow.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30355768</id>
	<title>Not another "vinyl is making a comeback" article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260213660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Poison Idea summed it up nicely with their album <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record\_Collectors\_Are\_Pretentious\_Assholes" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Record Collectors Are Pretentious Assholes</a> [wikipedia.org] EP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Poison Idea summed it up nicely with their album Record Collectors Are Pretentious Assholes [ wikipedia.org ] EP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Poison Idea summed it up nicely with their album Record Collectors Are Pretentious Assholes [wikipedia.org] EP.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352750</id>
	<title>The rise and fall of music-</title>
	<author>Xacid</author>
	<datestamp>1260200160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suspect this could be correlated with a resurgence of electronic music and thus the popularity of djing. It's a welcome change from crunk rap at least.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect this could be correlated with a resurgence of electronic music and thus the popularity of djing .
It 's a welcome change from crunk rap at least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect this could be correlated with a resurgence of electronic music and thus the popularity of djing.
It's a welcome change from crunk rap at least.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350786</id>
	<title>Our demands for fidelity has been lowered.</title>
	<author>miffo.swe</author>
	<datestamp>1260182460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Compared to your average mp3, wma or other lossy compression algorithms coupled with very bad mixing in studios vinyl sounds better in many cases. Vinyl vs CD is more a matter of taste but all in all we dont really care if whats comes out of the speakers sounds like nails on a blackboard.</p><p>Its no coincidence that hifi has been declining lately. You have to search like a mad to find a recording worthy of a good hifi setup. I often find myself cringe when i put a pop CD into my rig because its obvious its been compressed and processed for crappy systems. Everything seems tailored for iPods, mobiles and micro systems. Sadly that makes it sound like crap on a good system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Compared to your average mp3 , wma or other lossy compression algorithms coupled with very bad mixing in studios vinyl sounds better in many cases .
Vinyl vs CD is more a matter of taste but all in all we dont really care if whats comes out of the speakers sounds like nails on a blackboard.Its no coincidence that hifi has been declining lately .
You have to search like a mad to find a recording worthy of a good hifi setup .
I often find myself cringe when i put a pop CD into my rig because its obvious its been compressed and processed for crappy systems .
Everything seems tailored for iPods , mobiles and micro systems .
Sadly that makes it sound like crap on a good system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Compared to your average mp3, wma or other lossy compression algorithms coupled with very bad mixing in studios vinyl sounds better in many cases.
Vinyl vs CD is more a matter of taste but all in all we dont really care if whats comes out of the speakers sounds like nails on a blackboard.Its no coincidence that hifi has been declining lately.
You have to search like a mad to find a recording worthy of a good hifi setup.
I often find myself cringe when i put a pop CD into my rig because its obvious its been compressed and processed for crappy systems.
Everything seems tailored for iPods, mobiles and micro systems.
Sadly that makes it sound like crap on a good system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352610</id>
	<title>Re:Vinyl DRM</title>
	<author>Rob the Bold</author>
	<datestamp>1260199500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Somewhere, there's a recording executive reading this article and planning on dispatching a team to try to retrofit DRM onto vinyl records somehow.</p><p>Which I imagine would be quite a feat for a purely analog medium.</p><p>Either that, or said executive is now more paranoid about the "analog hole" than ever before, and now believes that people are turning to vinyl to pirate music somehow.</p></div><p>I get your point about greedy music execs (and I can imagine stupid stunts like that, too), but I think in <em>this</em> case the "dongle" is the disc itself, since the audience in question is buying these for the sound of the vinyl record.  You sure don't covet 250 gram discs for the convenience or portability.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Somewhere , there 's a recording executive reading this article and planning on dispatching a team to try to retrofit DRM onto vinyl records somehow.Which I imagine would be quite a feat for a purely analog medium.Either that , or said executive is now more paranoid about the " analog hole " than ever before , and now believes that people are turning to vinyl to pirate music somehow.I get your point about greedy music execs ( and I can imagine stupid stunts like that , too ) , but I think in this case the " dongle " is the disc itself , since the audience in question is buying these for the sound of the vinyl record .
You sure do n't covet 250 gram discs for the convenience or portability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somewhere, there's a recording executive reading this article and planning on dispatching a team to try to retrofit DRM onto vinyl records somehow.Which I imagine would be quite a feat for a purely analog medium.Either that, or said executive is now more paranoid about the "analog hole" than ever before, and now believes that people are turning to vinyl to pirate music somehow.I get your point about greedy music execs (and I can imagine stupid stunts like that, too), but I think in this case the "dongle" is the disc itself, since the audience in question is buying these for the sound of the vinyl record.
You sure don't covet 250 gram discs for the convenience or portability.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350572</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350726</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260181620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As a "modern" vinyl collector</p></div><p>You misspelt "massive poseur".</p><p><div class="quote"><p>it's not as stupid as you suggest</p></div><p>It's stupid, and you're stupid.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>As a "modern" vinyl collector, it's not as stupid as you suggest - my vinyl is purchased purely as a collection</p></div><p>What a tragic waste of absolutely everything - vinyl, skin <i>and</i> oxygen.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a " modern " vinyl collectorYou misspelt " massive poseur " .it 's not as stupid as you suggestIt 's stupid , and you 're stupid.As a " modern " vinyl collector , it 's not as stupid as you suggest - my vinyl is purchased purely as a collectionWhat a tragic waste of absolutely everything - vinyl , skin and oxygen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a "modern" vinyl collectorYou misspelt "massive poseur".it's not as stupid as you suggestIt's stupid, and you're stupid.As a "modern" vinyl collector, it's not as stupid as you suggest - my vinyl is purchased purely as a collectionWhat a tragic waste of absolutely everything - vinyl, skin and oxygen.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350676</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30355936</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260214440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I miss album art.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</p><p>But yet, I buy CD (nearly always used so I am not helping the RIAA!). Certain LPs may be mastered so well that they sound better than a CD, but after playing it a few times it will sound like crud unless you have your turntable in a clean room. The simple act of playing a record turns an LP into an electrostatic dust magnet, then click sizzle click pop sizzle click pop</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I miss album art .
: - ( But yet , I buy CD ( nearly always used so I am not helping the RIAA ! ) .
Certain LPs may be mastered so well that they sound better than a CD , but after playing it a few times it will sound like crud unless you have your turntable in a clean room .
The simple act of playing a record turns an LP into an electrostatic dust magnet , then click sizzle click pop sizzle click pop</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I miss album art.
:-(But yet, I buy CD (nearly always used so I am not helping the RIAA!).
Certain LPs may be mastered so well that they sound better than a CD, but after playing it a few times it will sound like crud unless you have your turntable in a clean room.
The simple act of playing a record turns an LP into an electrostatic dust magnet, then click sizzle click pop sizzle click pop</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350682</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351214</id>
	<title>Re:Betamax</title>
	<author>TheVelvetFlamebait</author>
	<datestamp>1260188940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah you young'uns. I'm going upstairs to get my <i>imagination</i> out of the attic!</p><p>(Yes, that's the best I could do)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah you young'uns .
I 'm going upstairs to get my imagination out of the attic !
( Yes , that 's the best I could do )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah you young'uns.
I'm going upstairs to get my imagination out of the attic!
(Yes, that's the best I could do)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350460</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30355794</id>
	<title>Sales figures had nowhere to go but up</title>
	<author>axl917</author>
	<datestamp>1260213720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rising from "inconsequential" to "negligible" is hardly newsworthy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rising from " inconsequential " to " negligible " is hardly newsworthy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rising from "inconsequential" to "negligible" is hardly newsworthy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350674</id>
	<title>Vinyl is more desirable.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260181200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It makes sense. Vinyl is not seen as distribution anymore but as artwork. The vinyl is going to get more and more popular because it is a presentable form of artwork that has far more class than the CD and a more tangible experience than a digital file. It's also way more fun than a CD to operate and creates a much more interactive environment, especially in a social setting. If every band released their albums in vinyl format, I would purchase everything that I could, simply because I would rather own a vinyl album as a piece of artwork over a CD any day.</p><p>That doesn't mean that the CD should go away. I really hope that artists and labels alike see the value in both the CD and the digital file for what they are. Vinyl's resurgence is a guarantee, but the CD's value is not lost on the public if it can be sold as something that's more than just music on a piece of a plastic. Consumers value choice over all else and a CD can be a very inexpensive alternative to those looking for the experience of owning something similar to vinyl without the cost and space expenses of vinyl. Though I think the CD will probably go away after time, but hopefully only because something more appealing has taken its place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes sense .
Vinyl is not seen as distribution anymore but as artwork .
The vinyl is going to get more and more popular because it is a presentable form of artwork that has far more class than the CD and a more tangible experience than a digital file .
It 's also way more fun than a CD to operate and creates a much more interactive environment , especially in a social setting .
If every band released their albums in vinyl format , I would purchase everything that I could , simply because I would rather own a vinyl album as a piece of artwork over a CD any day.That does n't mean that the CD should go away .
I really hope that artists and labels alike see the value in both the CD and the digital file for what they are .
Vinyl 's resurgence is a guarantee , but the CD 's value is not lost on the public if it can be sold as something that 's more than just music on a piece of a plastic .
Consumers value choice over all else and a CD can be a very inexpensive alternative to those looking for the experience of owning something similar to vinyl without the cost and space expenses of vinyl .
Though I think the CD will probably go away after time , but hopefully only because something more appealing has taken its place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes sense.
Vinyl is not seen as distribution anymore but as artwork.
The vinyl is going to get more and more popular because it is a presentable form of artwork that has far more class than the CD and a more tangible experience than a digital file.
It's also way more fun than a CD to operate and creates a much more interactive environment, especially in a social setting.
If every band released their albums in vinyl format, I would purchase everything that I could, simply because I would rather own a vinyl album as a piece of artwork over a CD any day.That doesn't mean that the CD should go away.
I really hope that artists and labels alike see the value in both the CD and the digital file for what they are.
Vinyl's resurgence is a guarantee, but the CD's value is not lost on the public if it can be sold as something that's more than just music on a piece of a plastic.
Consumers value choice over all else and a CD can be a very inexpensive alternative to those looking for the experience of owning something similar to vinyl without the cost and space expenses of vinyl.
Though I think the CD will probably go away after time, but hopefully only because something more appealing has taken its place.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351344</id>
	<title>physicality of vinyl</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260190320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>First of all, we need to keep this in perspective. TFA says that through November there had been 2.1 million vinyl records sold in the US. That's far less than individual albums once sold, so vinyl hasn't staged some glorious comeback, it's just establishing itself as a minor niche.

<br> <br>

That said, I'm a vinyl junkie and am happy for its continued survival, if only because it means that I'll be able to get new parts for my turntable for a long time yet. I think that the biggest advantage of vinyl is the physicality of the product. This includes of course the artwork and liner notes, which will be much larger and usually more attractive than with a CD. But there's more than this. Purchasing records often involves flipping through large bins of vinyl, something you sort of get with CDs, but instead of the clack or platic bins you have a nice soft thwap of cardboard album sleeves. Playing vinyl is also a much more physical act than playing a CD. With a CD you open the tray, put the disc on, then press a couple of buttons. With vinyl you have to open the lid, put the record on the turntable, line up the needle and plop it down, then come back and flip it over in twenty minutes or so. Choosing a specific track involves some pretty careful aligning of the needle. It forces you to become more engaged with what you're doing and promotes a more active listening; you can't so easily slap something on and ignore it, and the 6-disc changer (and, god help us, the random button) don't exist. You have to interact with your music because there will be a little bit of physical labor involved in keeping it going for more than 20 minutes at a time.

<br> <br>

Of course, playing 7" singles is even better for this, because you're hopping up every three minutes and constantly having to think, "What would sound good with this?" Vinyl is far better for an evening devoted to listening to music because it really encourages you to make the music the central part of the evening. Too much distraction and there's no more music. That contrasts with CDs, and is entirely different from mp3 listening. Banshee tells me that I can start playing my mp3 library and continue for 22.5 days. That sort of thing promotes an extremely passive kind of listening, music as just something that's there.

<br> <br>

A final thing to consider: I have a few CDs that have become scratched and are now unplayable. I have a bunch of LPs that have become scratched and now have a little scratch on them when you play them. My LPs are going to outlast my CDs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , we need to keep this in perspective .
TFA says that through November there had been 2.1 million vinyl records sold in the US .
That 's far less than individual albums once sold , so vinyl has n't staged some glorious comeback , it 's just establishing itself as a minor niche .
That said , I 'm a vinyl junkie and am happy for its continued survival , if only because it means that I 'll be able to get new parts for my turntable for a long time yet .
I think that the biggest advantage of vinyl is the physicality of the product .
This includes of course the artwork and liner notes , which will be much larger and usually more attractive than with a CD .
But there 's more than this .
Purchasing records often involves flipping through large bins of vinyl , something you sort of get with CDs , but instead of the clack or platic bins you have a nice soft thwap of cardboard album sleeves .
Playing vinyl is also a much more physical act than playing a CD .
With a CD you open the tray , put the disc on , then press a couple of buttons .
With vinyl you have to open the lid , put the record on the turntable , line up the needle and plop it down , then come back and flip it over in twenty minutes or so .
Choosing a specific track involves some pretty careful aligning of the needle .
It forces you to become more engaged with what you 're doing and promotes a more active listening ; you ca n't so easily slap something on and ignore it , and the 6-disc changer ( and , god help us , the random button ) do n't exist .
You have to interact with your music because there will be a little bit of physical labor involved in keeping it going for more than 20 minutes at a time .
Of course , playing 7 " singles is even better for this , because you 're hopping up every three minutes and constantly having to think , " What would sound good with this ?
" Vinyl is far better for an evening devoted to listening to music because it really encourages you to make the music the central part of the evening .
Too much distraction and there 's no more music .
That contrasts with CDs , and is entirely different from mp3 listening .
Banshee tells me that I can start playing my mp3 library and continue for 22.5 days .
That sort of thing promotes an extremely passive kind of listening , music as just something that 's there .
A final thing to consider : I have a few CDs that have become scratched and are now unplayable .
I have a bunch of LPs that have become scratched and now have a little scratch on them when you play them .
My LPs are going to outlast my CDs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, we need to keep this in perspective.
TFA says that through November there had been 2.1 million vinyl records sold in the US.
That's far less than individual albums once sold, so vinyl hasn't staged some glorious comeback, it's just establishing itself as a minor niche.
That said, I'm a vinyl junkie and am happy for its continued survival, if only because it means that I'll be able to get new parts for my turntable for a long time yet.
I think that the biggest advantage of vinyl is the physicality of the product.
This includes of course the artwork and liner notes, which will be much larger and usually more attractive than with a CD.
But there's more than this.
Purchasing records often involves flipping through large bins of vinyl, something you sort of get with CDs, but instead of the clack or platic bins you have a nice soft thwap of cardboard album sleeves.
Playing vinyl is also a much more physical act than playing a CD.
With a CD you open the tray, put the disc on, then press a couple of buttons.
With vinyl you have to open the lid, put the record on the turntable, line up the needle and plop it down, then come back and flip it over in twenty minutes or so.
Choosing a specific track involves some pretty careful aligning of the needle.
It forces you to become more engaged with what you're doing and promotes a more active listening; you can't so easily slap something on and ignore it, and the 6-disc changer (and, god help us, the random button) don't exist.
You have to interact with your music because there will be a little bit of physical labor involved in keeping it going for more than 20 minutes at a time.
Of course, playing 7" singles is even better for this, because you're hopping up every three minutes and constantly having to think, "What would sound good with this?
" Vinyl is far better for an evening devoted to listening to music because it really encourages you to make the music the central part of the evening.
Too much distraction and there's no more music.
That contrasts with CDs, and is entirely different from mp3 listening.
Banshee tells me that I can start playing my mp3 library and continue for 22.5 days.
That sort of thing promotes an extremely passive kind of listening, music as just something that's there.
A final thing to consider: I have a few CDs that have become scratched and are now unplayable.
I have a bunch of LPs that have become scratched and now have a little scratch on them when you play them.
My LPs are going to outlast my CDs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352330</id>
	<title>environment</title>
	<author>StripedCow</author>
	<datestamp>1260198300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>although some may disagree that vinyl is a step backwards in terms of sound quality, it <b>is</b> definitely a step backwards in terms of environmental impact. let's not forget about that!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>although some may disagree that vinyl is a step backwards in terms of sound quality , it is definitely a step backwards in terms of environmental impact .
let 's not forget about that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>although some may disagree that vinyl is a step backwards in terms of sound quality, it is definitely a step backwards in terms of environmental impact.
let's not forget about that!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352806</id>
	<title>Loudness factor?</title>
	<author>wing03</author>
	<datestamp>1260200460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not long ago, some people realized that CDs were being mastered so that everything was loud and noted that instruments or tracks that should be subtle were being turned up.... all in the name of competing with other noises, I believe.

Do they do the same thing with the new vinyl?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not long ago , some people realized that CDs were being mastered so that everything was loud and noted that instruments or tracks that should be subtle were being turned up.... all in the name of competing with other noises , I believe .
Do they do the same thing with the new vinyl ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not long ago, some people realized that CDs were being mastered so that everything was loud and noted that instruments or tracks that should be subtle were being turned up.... all in the name of competing with other noises, I believe.
Do they do the same thing with the new vinyl?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352562</id>
	<title>Re:Pfft...</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1260199320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What did you think of this sentence, Grandpa?</p><p><i>The turntable, once thought to have taken up obsolescence with eight-track tape players</i></p><p>These kids today, eight track tapes sucked and always did. And they don't listen, do they? I tolds these punks about eight tracks almost five years ago in <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/3/19/10456/6589" title="kuro5hin.org">Good Riddance to Bad Tech<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:</a> [kuro5hin.org] </p><blockquote><div><p> <b>The 8-track tape</b><br>This sorry piece of crap is proof positive of American stupidity. The cassette - the (now obsolete) four track, two-spindle, 1/8th inch, 1<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/78 IPS shirt pocket sized tape cassette was produced before the 8-track. The four track cassette was originally made as a dictation device, but advances in tape manufacture and head design soon gave them a frequency response that came close to human hearing's limit, signal to noise ratio low enough that you had to turn it up very loud to hear the hiss, and inaudible harmonic distortion which made them ideal for music.</p><p>Nevertheless, the 8-track was born anyway. With its transport speed at twice the 4-track cassette's speed, it should have been audibly superior. However, the "powers that be" decided that 8-tracks were going to be for automobiles, which at the time were not as well insulated from outside sounds and wind as today's cars, and with the auto's horrible acoustics, it was OK for a car's music to sound like effluent.</p><p>But the deliberately bad sound wasn't bad enough. The eight track tape had a single spindle, a very clever design where the tape fed from the center of the spindle, around a capstain roller inside the housing and back to the outside of the roll of tape. This made for an expensive setup, and one that was prone to wow and flutter, as well as having the tape get "eaten" by the tape player. And unlike a cassette, if your 8-track got ate, you might as well throw it in the trash.</p><p>But wait, there's more! This thing was deemed to be for the car, while cassettes were going to be (by about 1970 or so) for the home.</p><p>This made no sense whatever, since the "portable" eight track took up as much space as four cassettes, without being able to play any longer than a cassette. In fact, you could buy a longer playing cassette than 8-track.</p><p>But the one thing more than anything else that made 8-tracks suck like a Hoover was the fact that it had to change tracks four times during an album. This usually necessitated at least one song and usually more being interrupted in the middle!</p><p>Folks finally, after about ten years, started figuring this stuff out for themselves and replaced their 8-track cartriges with 4 track cassettes. Me? I never had an 8-track, although all my friends did. I, the geek, used the far more logical cassettes since about 1966 or 7. Hah! The geek gets the last laugh again!</p></div></blockquote><p>They don't understand vinyl, either. Led Zeppelin's <i>Presence</i> album sounds far better than the equivalent CD; it has more, well, presence. It has sharper highs and deeper lows than the CD version (that is, if you have a good turntable). But the CD of Nirvana's <i>Smells Like Teen Spirit</i> will sound better than the vinyl.</p><p>Zeppelin was mastered in analog, Nirvana was mastered in digital. If you make an analog recording from a digital source, or a digital recording for an analog source, you get the worst aspects of both mediums and the advantages of neither.</p><p>If your digital master for you LP is sampled at higher sampling rates than CD's 44.1, the LP may possibly sound better than the CD, but I'd guess it would take more than just twice the sampling rate to make an appreciable difference. Make the sampling rate ten times that of current CDs and the digital file would blow the LP away.</p><p>But taking a 44.1 master and putting it on LP is just silly. doubling that is less silly but still silly.</p></div>
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<tokenext>What did you think of this sentence , Grandpa ? The turntable , once thought to have taken up obsolescence with eight-track tape playersThese kids today , eight track tapes sucked and always did .
And they do n't listen , do they ?
I tolds these punks about eight tracks almost five years ago in Good Riddance to Bad Tech : [ kuro5hin.org ] The 8-track tapeThis sorry piece of crap is proof positive of American stupidity .
The cassette - the ( now obsolete ) four track , two-spindle , 1/8th inch , 1 /78 IPS shirt pocket sized tape cassette was produced before the 8-track .
The four track cassette was originally made as a dictation device , but advances in tape manufacture and head design soon gave them a frequency response that came close to human hearing 's limit , signal to noise ratio low enough that you had to turn it up very loud to hear the hiss , and inaudible harmonic distortion which made them ideal for music.Nevertheless , the 8-track was born anyway .
With its transport speed at twice the 4-track cassette 's speed , it should have been audibly superior .
However , the " powers that be " decided that 8-tracks were going to be for automobiles , which at the time were not as well insulated from outside sounds and wind as today 's cars , and with the auto 's horrible acoustics , it was OK for a car 's music to sound like effluent.But the deliberately bad sound was n't bad enough .
The eight track tape had a single spindle , a very clever design where the tape fed from the center of the spindle , around a capstain roller inside the housing and back to the outside of the roll of tape .
This made for an expensive setup , and one that was prone to wow and flutter , as well as having the tape get " eaten " by the tape player .
And unlike a cassette , if your 8-track got ate , you might as well throw it in the trash.But wait , there 's more !
This thing was deemed to be for the car , while cassettes were going to be ( by about 1970 or so ) for the home.This made no sense whatever , since the " portable " eight track took up as much space as four cassettes , without being able to play any longer than a cassette .
In fact , you could buy a longer playing cassette than 8-track.But the one thing more than anything else that made 8-tracks suck like a Hoover was the fact that it had to change tracks four times during an album .
This usually necessitated at least one song and usually more being interrupted in the middle ! Folks finally , after about ten years , started figuring this stuff out for themselves and replaced their 8-track cartriges with 4 track cassettes .
Me ? I never had an 8-track , although all my friends did .
I , the geek , used the far more logical cassettes since about 1966 or 7 .
Hah ! The geek gets the last laugh again ! They do n't understand vinyl , either .
Led Zeppelin 's Presence album sounds far better than the equivalent CD ; it has more , well , presence .
It has sharper highs and deeper lows than the CD version ( that is , if you have a good turntable ) .
But the CD of Nirvana 's Smells Like Teen Spirit will sound better than the vinyl.Zeppelin was mastered in analog , Nirvana was mastered in digital .
If you make an analog recording from a digital source , or a digital recording for an analog source , you get the worst aspects of both mediums and the advantages of neither.If your digital master for you LP is sampled at higher sampling rates than CD 's 44.1 , the LP may possibly sound better than the CD , but I 'd guess it would take more than just twice the sampling rate to make an appreciable difference .
Make the sampling rate ten times that of current CDs and the digital file would blow the LP away.But taking a 44.1 master and putting it on LP is just silly .
doubling that is less silly but still silly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What did you think of this sentence, Grandpa?The turntable, once thought to have taken up obsolescence with eight-track tape playersThese kids today, eight track tapes sucked and always did.
And they don't listen, do they?
I tolds these punks about eight tracks almost five years ago in Good Riddance to Bad Tech : [kuro5hin.org]  The 8-track tapeThis sorry piece of crap is proof positive of American stupidity.
The cassette - the (now obsolete) four track, two-spindle, 1/8th inch, 1 /78 IPS shirt pocket sized tape cassette was produced before the 8-track.
The four track cassette was originally made as a dictation device, but advances in tape manufacture and head design soon gave them a frequency response that came close to human hearing's limit, signal to noise ratio low enough that you had to turn it up very loud to hear the hiss, and inaudible harmonic distortion which made them ideal for music.Nevertheless, the 8-track was born anyway.
With its transport speed at twice the 4-track cassette's speed, it should have been audibly superior.
However, the "powers that be" decided that 8-tracks were going to be for automobiles, which at the time were not as well insulated from outside sounds and wind as today's cars, and with the auto's horrible acoustics, it was OK for a car's music to sound like effluent.But the deliberately bad sound wasn't bad enough.
The eight track tape had a single spindle, a very clever design where the tape fed from the center of the spindle, around a capstain roller inside the housing and back to the outside of the roll of tape.
This made for an expensive setup, and one that was prone to wow and flutter, as well as having the tape get "eaten" by the tape player.
And unlike a cassette, if your 8-track got ate, you might as well throw it in the trash.But wait, there's more!
This thing was deemed to be for the car, while cassettes were going to be (by about 1970 or so) for the home.This made no sense whatever, since the "portable" eight track took up as much space as four cassettes, without being able to play any longer than a cassette.
In fact, you could buy a longer playing cassette than 8-track.But the one thing more than anything else that made 8-tracks suck like a Hoover was the fact that it had to change tracks four times during an album.
This usually necessitated at least one song and usually more being interrupted in the middle!Folks finally, after about ten years, started figuring this stuff out for themselves and replaced their 8-track cartriges with 4 track cassettes.
Me? I never had an 8-track, although all my friends did.
I, the geek, used the far more logical cassettes since about 1966 or 7.
Hah! The geek gets the last laugh again!They don't understand vinyl, either.
Led Zeppelin's Presence album sounds far better than the equivalent CD; it has more, well, presence.
It has sharper highs and deeper lows than the CD version (that is, if you have a good turntable).
But the CD of Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit will sound better than the vinyl.Zeppelin was mastered in analog, Nirvana was mastered in digital.
If you make an analog recording from a digital source, or a digital recording for an analog source, you get the worst aspects of both mediums and the advantages of neither.If your digital master for you LP is sampled at higher sampling rates than CD's 44.1, the LP may possibly sound better than the CD, but I'd guess it would take more than just twice the sampling rate to make an appreciable difference.
Make the sampling rate ten times that of current CDs and the digital file would blow the LP away.But taking a 44.1 master and putting it on LP is just silly.
doubling that is less silly but still silly.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352516</id>
	<title>Digital is superior</title>
	<author>magamiako1</author>
	<datestamp>1260199080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is it just me, or do the people hyping up vinyl's superiority not really caring about the music?<br><br>I am a "quality-phile" in that I have to have the highest quality of which I can afford.<br><br>A) I can tell you the difference between Pandora radio and my ipod.<br>B) I can tell you the difference between my 128kbps mp3s and my 224kbps AAC (itunes) files.<br>C) I can do all of this on rather low end speaker systems (stock speakers in my Elantra).<br><br>Digital audio is far superior to anything analog that can come before it. That said, of course, there's something to be said about live music in a concert hall.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me , or do the people hyping up vinyl 's superiority not really caring about the music ? I am a " quality-phile " in that I have to have the highest quality of which I can afford.A ) I can tell you the difference between Pandora radio and my ipod.B ) I can tell you the difference between my 128kbps mp3s and my 224kbps AAC ( itunes ) files.C ) I can do all of this on rather low end speaker systems ( stock speakers in my Elantra ) .Digital audio is far superior to anything analog that can come before it .
That said , of course , there 's something to be said about live music in a concert hall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me, or do the people hyping up vinyl's superiority not really caring about the music?I am a "quality-phile" in that I have to have the highest quality of which I can afford.A) I can tell you the difference between Pandora radio and my ipod.B) I can tell you the difference between my 128kbps mp3s and my 224kbps AAC (itunes) files.C) I can do all of this on rather low end speaker systems (stock speakers in my Elantra).Digital audio is far superior to anything analog that can come before it.
That said, of course, there's something to be said about live music in a concert hall.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30355828</id>
	<title>Re:Fad.</title>
	<author>DinDaddy</author>
	<datestamp>1260213900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even under optimum conditions the quality advantage of a record is gone after 5-8 plays, as friction heat from the stylus literally melts the signal irreparably; from then on, the sound quality will continue to deteriorate with each play.</p> </div><p>I have a pretty nice turntable and a lot of records, and enjoy them, but this is the reason I prefer digital.  I have tried to tell the above to some die-hard vinyl fans and they swear it is completely untrue and ripped me a new one for suggesting it.</p><p>Not physicists or engineers, I guess.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Even under optimum conditions the quality advantage of a record is gone after 5-8 plays , as friction heat from the stylus literally melts the signal irreparably ; from then on , the sound quality will continue to deteriorate with each play .
I have a pretty nice turntable and a lot of records , and enjoy them , but this is the reason I prefer digital .
I have tried to tell the above to some die-hard vinyl fans and they swear it is completely untrue and ripped me a new one for suggesting it.Not physicists or engineers , I guess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even under optimum conditions the quality advantage of a record is gone after 5-8 plays, as friction heat from the stylus literally melts the signal irreparably; from then on, the sound quality will continue to deteriorate with each play.
I have a pretty nice turntable and a lot of records, and enjoy them, but this is the reason I prefer digital.
I have tried to tell the above to some die-hard vinyl fans and they swear it is completely untrue and ripped me a new one for suggesting it.Not physicists or engineers, I guess.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30357086</id>
	<title>Re:Loudness factor?</title>
	<author>swordgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1260176760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dunno about the \_new\_ vinyl, but it was certainly a problem for the \_old\_ vinyl.</p><p>Many albums, and probably 70-80\% of top 40 stuff in the late 1970s and early 1980s, were mastered with virtually no dynamic range. I picked up a used copy of Kim Carnes "Mistaken Identity" recently, and the whole thing is as bright as the bottom of a mud puddle. It is compressed to hell and then some.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dunno about the \ _new \ _ vinyl , but it was certainly a problem for the \ _old \ _ vinyl.Many albums , and probably 70-80 \ % of top 40 stuff in the late 1970s and early 1980s , were mastered with virtually no dynamic range .
I picked up a used copy of Kim Carnes " Mistaken Identity " recently , and the whole thing is as bright as the bottom of a mud puddle .
It is compressed to hell and then some .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dunno about the \_new\_ vinyl, but it was certainly a problem for the \_old\_ vinyl.Many albums, and probably 70-80\% of top 40 stuff in the late 1970s and early 1980s, were mastered with virtually no dynamic range.
I picked up a used copy of Kim Carnes "Mistaken Identity" recently, and the whole thing is as bright as the bottom of a mud puddle.
It is compressed to hell and then some.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350914</id>
	<title>Re:Pfft...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260184020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No song storage medium is as effective as a troupe of trained monkeys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No song storage medium is as effective as a troupe of trained monkeys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No song storage medium is as effective as a troupe of trained monkeys.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351232</id>
	<title>Re:Fad.</title>
	<author>drmpeg</author>
	<datestamp>1260189120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only cogent post so far. Having grown up with vinyl, it's just about the worst format for daily use (except for 8-track tape). Each play causes deterioration, not matter how expensive the turntable/cartridge. At the time, it was thought that the acceleration force of the needle often exceeded the elasticity of the vinyl.

When CD came out in 1983 or so, I welcomed it with open arms. Although many of the early CD's sounded pretty bad, at least they sounded the same after each play.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only cogent post so far .
Having grown up with vinyl , it 's just about the worst format for daily use ( except for 8-track tape ) .
Each play causes deterioration , not matter how expensive the turntable/cartridge .
At the time , it was thought that the acceleration force of the needle often exceeded the elasticity of the vinyl .
When CD came out in 1983 or so , I welcomed it with open arms .
Although many of the early CD 's sounded pretty bad , at least they sounded the same after each play .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only cogent post so far.
Having grown up with vinyl, it's just about the worst format for daily use (except for 8-track tape).
Each play causes deterioration, not matter how expensive the turntable/cartridge.
At the time, it was thought that the acceleration force of the needle often exceeded the elasticity of the vinyl.
When CD came out in 1983 or so, I welcomed it with open arms.
Although many of the early CD's sounded pretty bad, at least they sounded the same after each play.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350712</id>
	<title>Re:HA!</title>
	<author>dintech</author>
	<datestamp>1260181560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, especially if you have one of these <a href="http://www.vestax.com/v/products/recorders/vrx2000.html" title="vestax.com">over-priced badboys</a> [vestax.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , especially if you have one of these over-priced badboys [ vestax.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, especially if you have one of these over-priced badboys [vestax.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350630</id>
	<title>Have seen it coming</title>
	<author>RichLooker</author>
	<datestamp>1260180840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>  Living in Oslo, Norway, I have been watching this trend for some years. The number of shops selling physical CD's is steadily decreasing - either they close or they are converted to DVD- and/or game-shops. At the same time, the number of shops selling vinyl is increasing. Every self-respecting hifi-shop has turntables on display in their windows. And who even buys CD players anymore ? Some years ago, only niche-titles got a vinyl release. Now even chart-topping big names release on vinyl. This ain't a fad.


  We will all live to see the death of the music CD. The vinyl will live on, as the sole medium for physical distribution. It will serve a distinct market - people with a keen interest in music, sound/hifi and/or collecting records. For these customers, portability and convenience is not high priority. Cover art and lyric booklets are. The music industry will embrace the trend, as piracy / copying will not be an issue. Vinyl rips are too inconvenient to ever threaten digitally distributed music.


The vinyl record has outlived the CD in all respects. Some of my oldest CD's - 20-25 years old - are being refused by my CD player. While I have vinyl records from '65 that sound just as fresh today. I buy 30-40 records a year, around 4 out of 5 on vinyl; I select the titles purely based on musical merit, and buy vinyl if available. Luckily bands within the genres I prefer almost always release on vinyl.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Living in Oslo , Norway , I have been watching this trend for some years .
The number of shops selling physical CD 's is steadily decreasing - either they close or they are converted to DVD- and/or game-shops .
At the same time , the number of shops selling vinyl is increasing .
Every self-respecting hifi-shop has turntables on display in their windows .
And who even buys CD players anymore ?
Some years ago , only niche-titles got a vinyl release .
Now even chart-topping big names release on vinyl .
This ai n't a fad .
We will all live to see the death of the music CD .
The vinyl will live on , as the sole medium for physical distribution .
It will serve a distinct market - people with a keen interest in music , sound/hifi and/or collecting records .
For these customers , portability and convenience is not high priority .
Cover art and lyric booklets are .
The music industry will embrace the trend , as piracy / copying will not be an issue .
Vinyl rips are too inconvenient to ever threaten digitally distributed music .
The vinyl record has outlived the CD in all respects .
Some of my oldest CD 's - 20-25 years old - are being refused by my CD player .
While I have vinyl records from '65 that sound just as fresh today .
I buy 30-40 records a year , around 4 out of 5 on vinyl ; I select the titles purely based on musical merit , and buy vinyl if available .
Luckily bands within the genres I prefer almost always release on vinyl .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  Living in Oslo, Norway, I have been watching this trend for some years.
The number of shops selling physical CD's is steadily decreasing - either they close or they are converted to DVD- and/or game-shops.
At the same time, the number of shops selling vinyl is increasing.
Every self-respecting hifi-shop has turntables on display in their windows.
And who even buys CD players anymore ?
Some years ago, only niche-titles got a vinyl release.
Now even chart-topping big names release on vinyl.
This ain't a fad.
We will all live to see the death of the music CD.
The vinyl will live on, as the sole medium for physical distribution.
It will serve a distinct market - people with a keen interest in music, sound/hifi and/or collecting records.
For these customers, portability and convenience is not high priority.
Cover art and lyric booklets are.
The music industry will embrace the trend, as piracy / copying will not be an issue.
Vinyl rips are too inconvenient to ever threaten digitally distributed music.
The vinyl record has outlived the CD in all respects.
Some of my oldest CD's - 20-25 years old - are being refused by my CD player.
While I have vinyl records from '65 that sound just as fresh today.
I buy 30-40 records a year, around 4 out of 5 on vinyl; I select the titles purely based on musical merit, and buy vinyl if available.
Luckily bands within the genres I prefer almost always release on vinyl.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30354414</id>
	<title>Re:Fad.</title>
	<author>TheGratefulNet</author>
	<datestamp>1260207540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the ONLY good way to deal with lp's is to digitize them.  capture them at 24/96 (24 is overkill, 20 is more realistic but most converters are 'full' 24bits these days).  96k is also good (beyond that, it has no useful data stored).</p><p>get hold of the BEST a/d you can find and the best TT you can find.  capture to disc and then sell or store the lp.</p><p>repeated playings is the DUMBEST THING YOU COULD DO as playing the thing DESTROYS it (wear based playing does that, you know).</p><p>I have no problem with capturing content that is not in any other media format; but to keep playing the lp over and over, that's insane!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the ONLY good way to deal with lp 's is to digitize them .
capture them at 24/96 ( 24 is overkill , 20 is more realistic but most converters are 'full ' 24bits these days ) .
96k is also good ( beyond that , it has no useful data stored ) .get hold of the BEST a/d you can find and the best TT you can find .
capture to disc and then sell or store the lp.repeated playings is the DUMBEST THING YOU COULD DO as playing the thing DESTROYS it ( wear based playing does that , you know ) .I have no problem with capturing content that is not in any other media format ; but to keep playing the lp over and over , that 's insane !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the ONLY good way to deal with lp's is to digitize them.
capture them at 24/96 (24 is overkill, 20 is more realistic but most converters are 'full' 24bits these days).
96k is also good (beyond that, it has no useful data stored).get hold of the BEST a/d you can find and the best TT you can find.
capture to disc and then sell or store the lp.repeated playings is the DUMBEST THING YOU COULD DO as playing the thing DESTROYS it (wear based playing does that, you know).I have no problem with capturing content that is not in any other media format; but to keep playing the lp over and over, that's insane!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30353288</id>
	<title>Silly quote</title>
	<author>Leolo</author>
	<datestamp>1260202860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They can have my turntables when they pry them from my cold, dead hands.</p><p>Also: vinyl is, has always been and always will be DRM free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They can have my turntables when they pry them from my cold , dead hands.Also : vinyl is , has always been and always will be DRM free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can have my turntables when they pry them from my cold, dead hands.Also: vinyl is, has always been and always will be DRM free.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351400</id>
	<title>Re:Fad.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260191220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Even under optimum conditions the quality advantage of a record is gone after 5-8 plays, as friction heat from the stylus literally melts the signal irreparably; from then on, the sound quality will continue to deteriorate with each play.</i><br>This is true for the worst conditions, but under the best conditions (low tracking force line-contact stylus) records hold up extremely well sounding like new after hundreds of plays.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even under optimum conditions the quality advantage of a record is gone after 5-8 plays , as friction heat from the stylus literally melts the signal irreparably ; from then on , the sound quality will continue to deteriorate with each play.This is true for the worst conditions , but under the best conditions ( low tracking force line-contact stylus ) records hold up extremely well sounding like new after hundreds of plays .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even under optimum conditions the quality advantage of a record is gone after 5-8 plays, as friction heat from the stylus literally melts the signal irreparably; from then on, the sound quality will continue to deteriorate with each play.This is true for the worst conditions, but under the best conditions (low tracking force line-contact stylus) records hold up extremely well sounding like new after hundreds of plays.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350636</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30353018</id>
	<title>The things about vinyl that drove me crazy:</title>
	<author>trudyscousin</author>
	<datestamp>1260201600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>- 22-26 minutes maximum playing time per side.<br>- Rumble. Especially when it came pressed into the record.<br>- Scratches. A click or pop was forever. Often with the very first playing.<br>- Warpage. This was especially a problem after 1969-1972, when records became thinner. (Thank you RCA, for that "Dynaflex" nonsense.)<br>- Playing a phonograph record was a fiddly business. Extracting the record from its jacket and inner bag without getting fingerprints all over it (which could lead to more clicks and rumble). Cleaning the record surface with a brush before playing. You took all those precautions because you didn't want to make things worse, but it was rather like pissing in the wind, as the saying goes. No matter how great your cartridge was or how light your tracking force, your records would inevitably wear, especially your favorites.</p><p>Obviously, I'm not in the demographic that wants vinyl today. I was never a DJ (not in the context of a dance club, anyway), and I have no nostalgia, false or otherwise, to bring me back to the medium.</p><p>But I can't help but wonder if the problems that plague CDs today parallel the problems that vinyl in its heyday had. Everything I mentioned above were the reasons I was so quick to embrace CDs. (And if you've ever heard Ry Cooder's "Bop 'Til You Drop" or Dire Straits' "Brothers In Arms," you know exactly how wonderful CDs could sound.) But, it was a reaction, and I'm wondering if things like DRM and the "loudness wars" are the reaction people who are migrating to vinyl are having.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>- 22-26 minutes maximum playing time per side.- Rumble .
Especially when it came pressed into the record.- Scratches .
A click or pop was forever .
Often with the very first playing.- Warpage .
This was especially a problem after 1969-1972 , when records became thinner .
( Thank you RCA , for that " Dynaflex " nonsense .
) - Playing a phonograph record was a fiddly business .
Extracting the record from its jacket and inner bag without getting fingerprints all over it ( which could lead to more clicks and rumble ) .
Cleaning the record surface with a brush before playing .
You took all those precautions because you did n't want to make things worse , but it was rather like pissing in the wind , as the saying goes .
No matter how great your cartridge was or how light your tracking force , your records would inevitably wear , especially your favorites.Obviously , I 'm not in the demographic that wants vinyl today .
I was never a DJ ( not in the context of a dance club , anyway ) , and I have no nostalgia , false or otherwise , to bring me back to the medium.But I ca n't help but wonder if the problems that plague CDs today parallel the problems that vinyl in its heyday had .
Everything I mentioned above were the reasons I was so quick to embrace CDs .
( And if you 've ever heard Ry Cooder 's " Bop 'Til You Drop " or Dire Straits ' " Brothers In Arms , " you know exactly how wonderful CDs could sound .
) But , it was a reaction , and I 'm wondering if things like DRM and the " loudness wars " are the reaction people who are migrating to vinyl are having .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- 22-26 minutes maximum playing time per side.- Rumble.
Especially when it came pressed into the record.- Scratches.
A click or pop was forever.
Often with the very first playing.- Warpage.
This was especially a problem after 1969-1972, when records became thinner.
(Thank you RCA, for that "Dynaflex" nonsense.
)- Playing a phonograph record was a fiddly business.
Extracting the record from its jacket and inner bag without getting fingerprints all over it (which could lead to more clicks and rumble).
Cleaning the record surface with a brush before playing.
You took all those precautions because you didn't want to make things worse, but it was rather like pissing in the wind, as the saying goes.
No matter how great your cartridge was or how light your tracking force, your records would inevitably wear, especially your favorites.Obviously, I'm not in the demographic that wants vinyl today.
I was never a DJ (not in the context of a dance club, anyway), and I have no nostalgia, false or otherwise, to bring me back to the medium.But I can't help but wonder if the problems that plague CDs today parallel the problems that vinyl in its heyday had.
Everything I mentioned above were the reasons I was so quick to embrace CDs.
(And if you've ever heard Ry Cooder's "Bop 'Til You Drop" or Dire Straits' "Brothers In Arms," you know exactly how wonderful CDs could sound.
) But, it was a reaction, and I'm wondering if things like DRM and the "loudness wars" are the reaction people who are migrating to vinyl are having.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30356010</id>
	<title>Re:Betamax</title>
	<author>Elbowgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1260214800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually Betamax never left, very much like vinyl.  And over the years turntables have been improving steadily (or more precisely, the tonearms and cartridges).</p><p>People associate records with scratchiness and noise, but a properly cleaned records that is not badly damages will yield wonderful results.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually Betamax never left , very much like vinyl .
And over the years turntables have been improving steadily ( or more precisely , the tonearms and cartridges ) .People associate records with scratchiness and noise , but a properly cleaned records that is not badly damages will yield wonderful results .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually Betamax never left, very much like vinyl.
And over the years turntables have been improving steadily (or more precisely, the tonearms and cartridges).People associate records with scratchiness and noise, but a properly cleaned records that is not badly damages will yield wonderful results.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350460</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350734</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260181740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Correlation does not imply causation....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Correlation does not imply causation... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correlation does not imply causation....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350546</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352912</id>
	<title>Re:Fad.</title>
	<author>oh\_my\_080980980</author>
	<datestamp>1260201000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Umm yeah fad...they've been saying that for the past 20 years!
<br> <br>
Your whole argument is, it's too hard to play vinyl, because:
<br> <br>
1.  They scratch.
<br> <br>
2.  They take up too much space.
<br> <br>
3.  It's too hard to flip a record.
<br> <br>
Good god, what a whiny little boy.  Go play with your iPod little boy and stop pestering the adults.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm yeah fad...they 've been saying that for the past 20 years !
Your whole argument is , it 's too hard to play vinyl , because : 1 .
They scratch .
2. They take up too much space .
3. It 's too hard to flip a record .
Good god , what a whiny little boy .
Go play with your iPod little boy and stop pestering the adults .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm yeah fad...they've been saying that for the past 20 years!
Your whole argument is, it's too hard to play vinyl, because:
 
1.
They scratch.
2.  They take up too much space.
3.  It's too hard to flip a record.
Good god, what a whiny little boy.
Go play with your iPod little boy and stop pestering the adults.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350636</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351386</id>
	<title>vinyl was merely the precursor to CDs...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260191040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...in the same way that life is merely the precursor to death.</p><p>And so, when there is no room to appreciate an art, but everything becomes about progressing to something new, we are only being hypocrites by not hanging ourselves today.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...in the same way that life is merely the precursor to death.And so , when there is no room to appreciate an art , but everything becomes about progressing to something new , we are only being hypocrites by not hanging ourselves today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...in the same way that life is merely the precursor to death.And so, when there is no room to appreciate an art, but everything becomes about progressing to something new, we are only being hypocrites by not hanging ourselves today.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350770</id>
	<title>Re:Vinyl...</title>
	<author>farlukar</author>
	<datestamp>1260182220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least the quality of vinyl is better than 128k mp3...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least the quality of vinyl is better than 128k mp3.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least the quality of vinyl is better than 128k mp3...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350928</id>
	<title>BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STUPID THAT'S WHY !!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260184200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People are stupid.  Nothing to see or hear here, except fingerprints and scratches and ticks and pops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People are stupid .
Nothing to see or hear here , except fingerprints and scratches and ticks and pops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People are stupid.
Nothing to see or hear here, except fingerprints and scratches and ticks and pops.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350748</id>
	<title>Going 'Retro', Best copy protection ever</title>
	<author>Ivan Stepaniuk</author>
	<datestamp>1260181860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Besides the joke, I always thought that this vinyl resurrection is being promoted by the bad guys, it is of course not impossible, but far more difficult to copy than a CD. And even if you make a digital copy of it, you will never have the same (vinyl) thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Besides the joke , I always thought that this vinyl resurrection is being promoted by the bad guys , it is of course not impossible , but far more difficult to copy than a CD .
And even if you make a digital copy of it , you will never have the same ( vinyl ) thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Besides the joke, I always thought that this vinyl resurrection is being promoted by the bad guys, it is of course not impossible, but far more difficult to copy than a CD.
And even if you make a digital copy of it, you will never have the same (vinyl) thing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352212</id>
	<title>Re:Betamax</title>
	<author>dov\_0</author>
	<datestamp>1260197820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently started using my 1965 radiogram again. Cat Stevens and Chicago LP's. Borrowing my Dad's old favourites. It' just awesome.</p><p>It can screw with your head a bit though. I listened to a lot of the great musical works on LP or even on 78's as a kid. Now whenever I hear, say Berlioz' Symphony Fantastique, I always feel I need to get up and turn the disc over halfway through the third movement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently started using my 1965 radiogram again .
Cat Stevens and Chicago LP 's .
Borrowing my Dad 's old favourites .
It ' just awesome.It can screw with your head a bit though .
I listened to a lot of the great musical works on LP or even on 78 's as a kid .
Now whenever I hear , say Berlioz ' Symphony Fantastique , I always feel I need to get up and turn the disc over halfway through the third movement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently started using my 1965 radiogram again.
Cat Stevens and Chicago LP's.
Borrowing my Dad's old favourites.
It' just awesome.It can screw with your head a bit though.
I listened to a lot of the great musical works on LP or even on 78's as a kid.
Now whenever I hear, say Berlioz' Symphony Fantastique, I always feel I need to get up and turn the disc over halfway through the third movement.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350460</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351676</id>
	<title>Re:physicality of vinyl</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260195120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with your points. I'm a vinyl junkie too and I think you pay far more attention to your music when you can't just leave a random playlist going on an iPod.</p><p>I also Dj and another bonus to using vinyl when dj'ing is that people like to see someone doing something physical to select and mix the music. In fact I've had people stay in the bar I play at purely because they prefer to see someone using vinyl.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with your points .
I 'm a vinyl junkie too and I think you pay far more attention to your music when you ca n't just leave a random playlist going on an iPod.I also Dj and another bonus to using vinyl when dj'ing is that people like to see someone doing something physical to select and mix the music .
In fact I 've had people stay in the bar I play at purely because they prefer to see someone using vinyl .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with your points.
I'm a vinyl junkie too and I think you pay far more attention to your music when you can't just leave a random playlist going on an iPod.I also Dj and another bonus to using vinyl when dj'ing is that people like to see someone doing something physical to select and mix the music.
In fact I've had people stay in the bar I play at purely because they prefer to see someone using vinyl.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351344</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30354798</id>
	<title>Resurgence??</title>
	<author>Stan92057</author>
	<datestamp>1260208980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Resurgence?? how about fulfilling a need. We cant pay our old Vinyl/slate platters on an ipod ya know lol. I'm guessing zillions of platters hiding in peoples basements and attics can now be played again and this is a good thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Resurgence ? ?
how about fulfilling a need .
We cant pay our old Vinyl/slate platters on an ipod ya know lol .
I 'm guessing zillions of platters hiding in peoples basements and attics can now be played again and this is a good thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Resurgence??
how about fulfilling a need.
We cant pay our old Vinyl/slate platters on an ipod ya know lol.
I'm guessing zillions of platters hiding in peoples basements and attics can now be played again and this is a good thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351114</id>
	<title>It's because of the ALBUMS!</title>
	<author>pspahn</author>
	<datestamp>1260187200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Haven't you ever called a collection of songs by the same artist an album? What is an album? When I think of album, I think of the really good ones, you know, the ones that sell like a million copies. Don't they call that, "having a gold album"?
<br> <br>
You can't call an album anything else, or else it's something different. Yet that's what everyone calls them... well... other than records.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have n't you ever called a collection of songs by the same artist an album ?
What is an album ?
When I think of album , I think of the really good ones , you know , the ones that sell like a million copies .
Do n't they call that , " having a gold album " ?
You ca n't call an album anything else , or else it 's something different .
Yet that 's what everyone calls them... well... other than records .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Haven't you ever called a collection of songs by the same artist an album?
What is an album?
When I think of album, I think of the really good ones, you know, the ones that sell like a million copies.
Don't they call that, "having a gold album"?
You can't call an album anything else, or else it's something different.
Yet that's what everyone calls them... well... other than records.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350682</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260181260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What did you expect would happen, people would start buying vinyl records, but just look at them instead of playing them?</p></div><p>Considering the pretentiousness of the people who buy vinyl, that is a possibility.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What did you expect would happen , people would start buying vinyl records , but just look at them instead of playing them ? Considering the pretentiousness of the people who buy vinyl , that is a possibility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What did you expect would happen, people would start buying vinyl records, but just look at them instead of playing them?Considering the pretentiousness of the people who buy vinyl, that is a possibility.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350546</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30355322</id>
	<title>Serato</title>
	<author>fulldecent</author>
	<datestamp>1260211380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sales of turntables are significantly lifted by sales of the Serato Scratch Live software package.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sales of turntables are significantly lifted by sales of the Serato Scratch Live software package .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sales of turntables are significantly lifted by sales of the Serato Scratch Live software package.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350560</id>
	<title>Yearly Dupe?</title>
	<author>Dr\_Terminus</author>
	<datestamp>1260179940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems like there is an article like this posted at least once a year by someone marveling at the "resurgence" of vinyl.</p><p>Whats surprising is how close this story follows the announcement by Technics that they're ceasing manufacture of their 1200 and 1210 turntables citing low global analog turntable sales.  <a href="http://www.slashgear.com/technics-axe-1200-and-1210-turntables-2764581/" title="slashgear.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.slashgear.com/technics-axe-1200-and-1210-turntables-2764581/</a> [slashgear.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like there is an article like this posted at least once a year by someone marveling at the " resurgence " of vinyl.Whats surprising is how close this story follows the announcement by Technics that they 're ceasing manufacture of their 1200 and 1210 turntables citing low global analog turntable sales .
http : //www.slashgear.com/technics-axe-1200-and-1210-turntables-2764581/ [ slashgear.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like there is an article like this posted at least once a year by someone marveling at the "resurgence" of vinyl.Whats surprising is how close this story follows the announcement by Technics that they're ceasing manufacture of their 1200 and 1210 turntables citing low global analog turntable sales.
http://www.slashgear.com/technics-axe-1200-and-1210-turntables-2764581/ [slashgear.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30358812</id>
	<title>Re:American stupidity.</title>
	<author>PigIronBob</author>
	<datestamp>1260186300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The cassette was in fact Dutch Stupidity (Philips)</htmltext>
<tokenext>The cassette was in fact Dutch Stupidity ( Philips )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The cassette was in fact Dutch Stupidity (Philips)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352562</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30359890</id>
	<title>Re:Have seen it coming</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1260192540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>While I have vinyl records from '65 that sound just as fresh today.</p></div></blockquote><p>This is unlikely, unless you've only played said records a few times in 44 years. The very act of playing a record damages it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>While I have vinyl records from '65 that sound just as fresh today.This is unlikely , unless you 've only played said records a few times in 44 years .
The very act of playing a record damages it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I have vinyl records from '65 that sound just as fresh today.This is unlikely, unless you've only played said records a few times in 44 years.
The very act of playing a record damages it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350630</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350842</id>
	<title>it's a touch-screen of the music man</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260183180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
It's not really becoming popular because it is better to hear music off one. The vinyl turntable is a performance instrument all of its own.
</p><p>
About a year back I ran into someone who had a vinyl turntable hooked into Ubuntu studio. He'd essentially use <a href="http://flic.kr/p/5J57dx" title="flic.kr">the turntable</a> [flic.kr] hooked into the MIDI port(?) which lets him control any soundtrack with a touch of his finger.
</p><p>
The guy was explaining how the user interface of a turntable supersedes anything else out there for what he's doing. That in some sense, it's the touch screen of the music man.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not really becoming popular because it is better to hear music off one .
The vinyl turntable is a performance instrument all of its own .
About a year back I ran into someone who had a vinyl turntable hooked into Ubuntu studio .
He 'd essentially use the turntable [ flic.kr ] hooked into the MIDI port ( ?
) which lets him control any soundtrack with a touch of his finger .
The guy was explaining how the user interface of a turntable supersedes anything else out there for what he 's doing .
That in some sense , it 's the touch screen of the music man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
It's not really becoming popular because it is better to hear music off one.
The vinyl turntable is a performance instrument all of its own.
About a year back I ran into someone who had a vinyl turntable hooked into Ubuntu studio.
He'd essentially use the turntable [flic.kr] hooked into the MIDI port(?
) which lets him control any soundtrack with a touch of his finger.
The guy was explaining how the user interface of a turntable supersedes anything else out there for what he's doing.
That in some sense, it's the touch screen of the music man.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350504</id>
	<title>My car also runs on steam again...</title>
	<author>captainpanic</author>
	<datestamp>1260179340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>... with the oil prices going up again as soon as this crisis is over...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... with the oil prices going up again as soon as this crisis is over.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... with the oil prices going up again as soon as this crisis is over...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30356202</id>
	<title>Re:Pfft...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260215760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Nirvana was mastered in digital</p></div><p>[citation needed]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nirvana was mastered in digital [ citation needed ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nirvana was mastered in digital[citation needed]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30357524</id>
	<title>Re:physicality of vinyl</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1260179220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record\_changer" title="wikipedia.org"> <i>and the 6-disc changer (and, god help us, the random button) don't exist.</i> </a> [wikipedia.org] </p><blockquote><div><p>A record changer or autochanger is a device that plays multiple gramophone records in sequence without user intervention. Record changers first appeared in the late 1920s, and were common until the 1980s.</p><p>The record changer with a stepped centre spindle design was invented by Eric Waterworth of Hobart, Australia, in 1925. He and his father took it to Sydney, and arranged with a company called Home Recreations to have it fitted in their forthcoming gramophone, the Salonola. Although the Salonola was demonstrated at the 1927 Sydney Royal Easter Show, Home Recreations went into liquidation and the Salonola was never marketed. In 1928 the Waterworths traveled to London, where they sold their patent to the new Symphony Gramophone and Radio Co. Ltd.[1][2]</p><p>The first commercially successful record changer was the "Automatic Orthophonic" model by the Victor Talking Machine Company, which was launched in the USA in 1927. On a conventional gramophone or phonograph, the limited playing time of 78 rpm gramophone records meant that listeners had to get up to change records at regular intervals. The Automatic Orthophonic allowed the listener to load a stack of several records into the machine, which would then be automatically played in sequence, providing a long uninterrupted listening session.</p><p>Record changers were provided in most mid-priced consumer record players of the 1950s through 1970s. Record changers became rarer in the 1980s, mainly due to the introduction of the compact disc.</p></div></blockquote></div>
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<tokenext>and the 6-disc changer ( and , god help us , the random button ) do n't exist .
[ wikipedia.org ] A record changer or autochanger is a device that plays multiple gramophone records in sequence without user intervention .
Record changers first appeared in the late 1920s , and were common until the 1980s.The record changer with a stepped centre spindle design was invented by Eric Waterworth of Hobart , Australia , in 1925 .
He and his father took it to Sydney , and arranged with a company called Home Recreations to have it fitted in their forthcoming gramophone , the Salonola .
Although the Salonola was demonstrated at the 1927 Sydney Royal Easter Show , Home Recreations went into liquidation and the Salonola was never marketed .
In 1928 the Waterworths traveled to London , where they sold their patent to the new Symphony Gramophone and Radio Co. Ltd. [ 1 ] [ 2 ] The first commercially successful record changer was the " Automatic Orthophonic " model by the Victor Talking Machine Company , which was launched in the USA in 1927 .
On a conventional gramophone or phonograph , the limited playing time of 78 rpm gramophone records meant that listeners had to get up to change records at regular intervals .
The Automatic Orthophonic allowed the listener to load a stack of several records into the machine , which would then be automatically played in sequence , providing a long uninterrupted listening session.Record changers were provided in most mid-priced consumer record players of the 1950s through 1970s .
Record changers became rarer in the 1980s , mainly due to the introduction of the compact disc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> and the 6-disc changer (and, god help us, the random button) don't exist.
[wikipedia.org] A record changer or autochanger is a device that plays multiple gramophone records in sequence without user intervention.
Record changers first appeared in the late 1920s, and were common until the 1980s.The record changer with a stepped centre spindle design was invented by Eric Waterworth of Hobart, Australia, in 1925.
He and his father took it to Sydney, and arranged with a company called Home Recreations to have it fitted in their forthcoming gramophone, the Salonola.
Although the Salonola was demonstrated at the 1927 Sydney Royal Easter Show, Home Recreations went into liquidation and the Salonola was never marketed.
In 1928 the Waterworths traveled to London, where they sold their patent to the new Symphony Gramophone and Radio Co. Ltd.[1][2]The first commercially successful record changer was the "Automatic Orthophonic" model by the Victor Talking Machine Company, which was launched in the USA in 1927.
On a conventional gramophone or phonograph, the limited playing time of 78 rpm gramophone records meant that listeners had to get up to change records at regular intervals.
The Automatic Orthophonic allowed the listener to load a stack of several records into the machine, which would then be automatically played in sequence, providing a long uninterrupted listening session.Record changers were provided in most mid-priced consumer record players of the 1950s through 1970s.
Record changers became rarer in the 1980s, mainly due to the introduction of the compact disc.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30355126</id>
	<title>85\% of Recorded Music</title>
	<author>Molson</author>
	<datestamp>1260210420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Has never made it to CD.  So, the real reason that vinyl is still in use is because it's the only medium you'll find 85\% of the worlds recorded music.</p><p>It does sound better, it's tactile, it's art...but the main reason is that vinyl is often the only place you'll find what you're after.</p><p>And I may be biased with my 40,000 piece record collection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has never made it to CD .
So , the real reason that vinyl is still in use is because it 's the only medium you 'll find 85 \ % of the worlds recorded music.It does sound better , it 's tactile , it 's art...but the main reason is that vinyl is often the only place you 'll find what you 're after.And I may be biased with my 40,000 piece record collection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has never made it to CD.
So, the real reason that vinyl is still in use is because it's the only medium you'll find 85\% of the worlds recorded music.It does sound better, it's tactile, it's art...but the main reason is that vinyl is often the only place you'll find what you're after.And I may be biased with my 40,000 piece record collection.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30358778</id>
	<title>Re:The things about vinyl that drove me crazy:</title>
	<author>VAXcat</author>
	<datestamp>1260186120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>  Yah, the advent of CDs meant that you didn't have to perch over your turntable like a watchdog during a party, afraid of what could happen to your $300 cartridge and stylus, or a brand new $10 album (and a dollar was a lot of money back then - you could get a damn good car for $4000). When CDs arrived, you could let your drunk girlfriend change albums wihout having to get up and do it yourself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yah , the advent of CDs meant that you did n't have to perch over your turntable like a watchdog during a party , afraid of what could happen to your $ 300 cartridge and stylus , or a brand new $ 10 album ( and a dollar was a lot of money back then - you could get a damn good car for $ 4000 ) .
When CDs arrived , you could let your drunk girlfriend change albums wihout having to get up and do it yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  Yah, the advent of CDs meant that you didn't have to perch over your turntable like a watchdog during a party, afraid of what could happen to your $300 cartridge and stylus, or a brand new $10 album (and a dollar was a lot of money back then - you could get a damn good car for $4000).
When CDs arrived, you could let your drunk girlfriend change albums wihout having to get up and do it yourself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351430</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>digitig</author>
	<datestamp>1260191820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How is this funny?</p></div><p>Because the rest of us recognised <a href="http://xkcd.com/552/" title="xkcd.com">the reference</a> [xkcd.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this funny ? Because the rest of us recognised the reference [ xkcd.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this funny?Because the rest of us recognised the reference [xkcd.com].
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350756</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>imakemusic</author>
	<datestamp>1260181980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Tomorrow on Slashdot: A sudden increase in the sale of left shoes curiously correlates to a parallel increase in the sale of right shoes.</p></div><p>Don't forget though: correlation does not equal causation. Although in this case I think you might be on to something.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tomorrow on Slashdot : A sudden increase in the sale of left shoes curiously correlates to a parallel increase in the sale of right shoes.Do n't forget though : correlation does not equal causation .
Although in this case I think you might be on to something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tomorrow on Slashdot: A sudden increase in the sale of left shoes curiously correlates to a parallel increase in the sale of right shoes.Don't forget though: correlation does not equal causation.
Although in this case I think you might be on to something.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351526</id>
	<title>Re:Our demands for fidelity has been lowered.</title>
	<author>coastwalker</author>
	<datestamp>1260193260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is possible that dance music on Vinyl has been mastered with the intention of making it sound good on large sound systems used in Clubs, and may ironically have better dynamics than the "Radio mix" that ends up on peoples MP3 players. There is no shortage of dynamic range on a good sound system and a dance anthem wouldn't be an anthem unless it had dynamics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is possible that dance music on Vinyl has been mastered with the intention of making it sound good on large sound systems used in Clubs , and may ironically have better dynamics than the " Radio mix " that ends up on peoples MP3 players .
There is no shortage of dynamic range on a good sound system and a dance anthem would n't be an anthem unless it had dynamics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is possible that dance music on Vinyl has been mastered with the intention of making it sound good on large sound systems used in Clubs, and may ironically have better dynamics than the "Radio mix" that ends up on peoples MP3 players.
There is no shortage of dynamic range on a good sound system and a dance anthem wouldn't be an anthem unless it had dynamics.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350854</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>AA Wulf</author>
	<datestamp>1260183240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is this funny?  The entire pretense this troll uses for his "funny" post is based on poor reading comprehension.  "Consider this sentence..."  The summary stated the resurgence of vinyl was curious, not the parallel revival of turntables.  What you go on to say after the fact implies the opposite.<br> <br>

Quite obviously it would take a fool to think that this parallel revival was "news," however TFA has little to do with discussing just turntables, but the widespread increase in vinyl records, new turntable models, and so on in popular retailers like Best Buy.  TFA is about the spread of this phenomenon from confinement to the corner record store out into the mainstream.  The summary is weak, but you'd have realized that had you read TFA rather than skimming the summary, misreading it, and deciding to troll for karma.  This is a clear case of EMPF (Epic Mod Point Fail).</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this funny ?
The entire pretense this troll uses for his " funny " post is based on poor reading comprehension .
" Consider this sentence... " The summary stated the resurgence of vinyl was curious , not the parallel revival of turntables .
What you go on to say after the fact implies the opposite .
Quite obviously it would take a fool to think that this parallel revival was " news , " however TFA has little to do with discussing just turntables , but the widespread increase in vinyl records , new turntable models , and so on in popular retailers like Best Buy .
TFA is about the spread of this phenomenon from confinement to the corner record store out into the mainstream .
The summary is weak , but you 'd have realized that had you read TFA rather than skimming the summary , misreading it , and deciding to troll for karma .
This is a clear case of EMPF ( Epic Mod Point Fail ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this funny?
The entire pretense this troll uses for his "funny" post is based on poor reading comprehension.
"Consider this sentence..."  The summary stated the resurgence of vinyl was curious, not the parallel revival of turntables.
What you go on to say after the fact implies the opposite.
Quite obviously it would take a fool to think that this parallel revival was "news," however TFA has little to do with discussing just turntables, but the widespread increase in vinyl records, new turntable models, and so on in popular retailers like Best Buy.
TFA is about the spread of this phenomenon from confinement to the corner record store out into the mainstream.
The summary is weak, but you'd have realized that had you read TFA rather than skimming the summary, misreading it, and deciding to troll for karma.
This is a clear case of EMPF (Epic Mod Point Fail).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351996</id>
	<title>Re:Have seen it coming</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1260196740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And who even buys CD players anymore ?</p></div><p>Nobody, they come free with every box of crackerjacks.</p><p>The CD is still the <em>de facto</em> standard for the physical distribution of music, because you can rip it to mp3 (or similar) in better than 1:1 time, unlike Vinyl. I have done some vinyl rips and they are a hassle, you have to babysit them and/or fully review the tracks later, either way it eats up your time. And really, we all* have CD players in our PCs, which can talk to our mp3 players. But relatively few of us have turntables, and even less want to wait for a vinyl rip.</p><p>* <tt>For some value of all very very close to literal</tt></p></div>
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<tokenext>And who even buys CD players anymore ? Nobody , they come free with every box of crackerjacks.The CD is still the de facto standard for the physical distribution of music , because you can rip it to mp3 ( or similar ) in better than 1 : 1 time , unlike Vinyl .
I have done some vinyl rips and they are a hassle , you have to babysit them and/or fully review the tracks later , either way it eats up your time .
And really , we all * have CD players in our PCs , which can talk to our mp3 players .
But relatively few of us have turntables , and even less want to wait for a vinyl rip .
* For some value of all very very close to literal</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And who even buys CD players anymore ?Nobody, they come free with every box of crackerjacks.The CD is still the de facto standard for the physical distribution of music, because you can rip it to mp3 (or similar) in better than 1:1 time, unlike Vinyl.
I have done some vinyl rips and they are a hassle, you have to babysit them and/or fully review the tracks later, either way it eats up your time.
And really, we all* have CD players in our PCs, which can talk to our mp3 players.
But relatively few of us have turntables, and even less want to wait for a vinyl rip.
* For some value of all very very close to literal
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352594</id>
	<title>Only Idiots thought the turn table was dead.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260199440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We all know people with turn tables... what jackass said they were dead? Oh, the mainstream media? Didnt they also report there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq?</p><p>Plus, the turn table is a musical instrument of sorts...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We all know people with turn tables... what jackass said they were dead ?
Oh , the mainstream media ?
Didnt they also report there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq ? Plus , the turn table is a musical instrument of sorts.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We all know people with turn tables... what jackass said they were dead?
Oh, the mainstream media?
Didnt they also report there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq?Plus, the turn table is a musical instrument of sorts...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30354612</id>
	<title>Re:The things about vinyl that drove me crazy:</title>
	<author>hansamurai</author>
	<datestamp>1260208320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I grew up in a household with about 10,000 records, my dad was a collector.  All the music we listened to came from vinyl, and I honestly love all those scratches and pops.  Each record had a distinctive sound, the pops became a part of the song, for better or worse.  It's just such an ingrained part of my childhood that I bought a record player earlier this year and then rebought a few of my CDs in album form just so I could hear them and create some new audio memories.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I grew up in a household with about 10,000 records , my dad was a collector .
All the music we listened to came from vinyl , and I honestly love all those scratches and pops .
Each record had a distinctive sound , the pops became a part of the song , for better or worse .
It 's just such an ingrained part of my childhood that I bought a record player earlier this year and then rebought a few of my CDs in album form just so I could hear them and create some new audio memories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I grew up in a household with about 10,000 records, my dad was a collector.
All the music we listened to came from vinyl, and I honestly love all those scratches and pops.
Each record had a distinctive sound, the pops became a part of the song, for better or worse.
It's just such an ingrained part of my childhood that I bought a record player earlier this year and then rebought a few of my CDs in album form just so I could hear them and create some new audio memories.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30354294</id>
	<title>Re:No surprises..</title>
	<author>interploy</author>
	<datestamp>1260207180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No surprises indeed. A news story about how turntable sales are going up because vinyl sales are going up. Is there a 'noshitsherlock' tag for this kind of thing?</htmltext>
<tokenext>No surprises indeed .
A news story about how turntable sales are going up because vinyl sales are going up .
Is there a 'noshitsherlock ' tag for this kind of thing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No surprises indeed.
A news story about how turntable sales are going up because vinyl sales are going up.
Is there a 'noshitsherlock' tag for this kind of thing?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351638</id>
	<title>Re:Betamax</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1260194700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;Time to get that Betamax player out of the attic!</p><p>Why?  Finding Betamax tapes is very difficult, and the library is limited.  If you want to go retro, you should go VHS with its ~100,000 title library.  And record that high definition television to a blank Super VHS tape... like I do.  No fancy DVR for me by gum!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p><p>Of course if you *really* retro, you could buy one of those old 1960s Umatic machines.  My workplace has one - maybe they'll sell it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; Time to get that Betamax player out of the attic ! Why ?
Finding Betamax tapes is very difficult , and the library is limited .
If you want to go retro , you should go VHS with its ~ 100,000 title library .
And record that high definition television to a blank Super VHS tape... like I do .
No fancy DVR for me by gum !
: - ) Of course if you * really * retro , you could buy one of those old 1960s Umatic machines .
My workplace has one - maybe they 'll sell it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;Time to get that Betamax player out of the attic!Why?
Finding Betamax tapes is very difficult, and the library is limited.
If you want to go retro, you should go VHS with its ~100,000 title library.
And record that high definition television to a blank Super VHS tape... like I do.
No fancy DVR for me by gum!
:-)Of course if you *really* retro, you could buy one of those old 1960s Umatic machines.
My workplace has one - maybe they'll sell it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350546</id>
	<title>Wait a second....</title>
	<author>NoPantsJim</author>
	<datestamp>1260179760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Consider this sentence from TFS:<blockquote><div><p>"With the curious resurgence of vinyl, a parallel revival has emerged: The turntable"</p></div></blockquote><p>
What did you expect would happen, people would start buying vinyl records, but just look at them instead of playing them? Is there some iPhone vinyl add-on I'm not aware of?
<br> <br>
Tomorrow on Slashdot: A sudden increase in the sale of left shoes curiously correlates to a parallel increase in the sale of right shoes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Consider this sentence from TFS : " With the curious resurgence of vinyl , a parallel revival has emerged : The turntable " What did you expect would happen , people would start buying vinyl records , but just look at them instead of playing them ?
Is there some iPhone vinyl add-on I 'm not aware of ?
Tomorrow on Slashdot : A sudden increase in the sale of left shoes curiously correlates to a parallel increase in the sale of right shoes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consider this sentence from TFS:"With the curious resurgence of vinyl, a parallel revival has emerged: The turntable"
What did you expect would happen, people would start buying vinyl records, but just look at them instead of playing them?
Is there some iPhone vinyl add-on I'm not aware of?
Tomorrow on Slashdot: A sudden increase in the sale of left shoes curiously correlates to a parallel increase in the sale of right shoes.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350962</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>Fred\_A</author>
	<datestamp>1260184560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What did you expect would happen, people would start buying vinyl records, but just look at them instead of playing them?</p></div><p>But if you play them you might scratch them, or get dust on them !</p><p>Any serious audiophile knows you must never get a disc out of its sleeve. It must remain in timeless perfection to be admired by like minded individuals (wearing gloves), possibly drooling a bit, while extolling the virtues of gold plated power cables.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What did you expect would happen , people would start buying vinyl records , but just look at them instead of playing them ? But if you play them you might scratch them , or get dust on them ! Any serious audiophile knows you must never get a disc out of its sleeve .
It must remain in timeless perfection to be admired by like minded individuals ( wearing gloves ) , possibly drooling a bit , while extolling the virtues of gold plated power cables .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What did you expect would happen, people would start buying vinyl records, but just look at them instead of playing them?But if you play them you might scratch them, or get dust on them !Any serious audiophile knows you must never get a disc out of its sleeve.
It must remain in timeless perfection to be admired by like minded individuals (wearing gloves), possibly drooling a bit, while extolling the virtues of gold plated power cables.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350494</id>
	<title>Cue the...</title>
	<author>s1lverl0rd</author>
	<datestamp>1260179160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Year of the Linux Desktop jokes in 3... 2... 1...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Year of the Linux Desktop jokes in 3... 2... 1.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Year of the Linux Desktop jokes in 3... 2... 1...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351210</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>billius</author>
	<datestamp>1260188880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Tomorrow on Slashdot: A sudden increase in the sale of left shoes curiously correlates to a parallel increase in the sale of right shoes.</p></div></blockquote><p>

And as we all know, since correlation != causation, these two events can't possibly have anything to do with one another.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tomorrow on Slashdot : A sudden increase in the sale of left shoes curiously correlates to a parallel increase in the sale of right shoes .
And as we all know , since correlation ! = causation , these two events ca n't possibly have anything to do with one another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tomorrow on Slashdot: A sudden increase in the sale of left shoes curiously correlates to a parallel increase in the sale of right shoes.
And as we all know, since correlation != causation, these two events can't possibly have anything to do with one another.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352350</id>
	<title>Re:No surprises..</title>
	<author>Rob the Bold</author>
	<datestamp>1260198420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No surprises. Vinyl sounds better.</p></div><p>No kidding.  Whack your friend over the head with a 250 gram twelve-inch 45 and you'll get some resonance you just can't get out of a lousy CD.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No surprises .
Vinyl sounds better.No kidding .
Whack your friend over the head with a 250 gram twelve-inch 45 and you 'll get some resonance you just ca n't get out of a lousy CD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No surprises.
Vinyl sounds better.No kidding.
Whack your friend over the head with a 250 gram twelve-inch 45 and you'll get some resonance you just can't get out of a lousy CD.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30355040</id>
	<title>Re:No surprises..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260210060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I saw this thread I vowed that I would jump on the first comment even hinting at the superiority of vinyl over CD.</p><p>&gt; No surprises. Vinyl sounds better.</p><p>Sure.  In your dreams.  And only in your dreams.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I saw this thread I vowed that I would jump on the first comment even hinting at the superiority of vinyl over CD. &gt; No surprises .
Vinyl sounds better.Sure .
In your dreams .
And only in your dreams .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I saw this thread I vowed that I would jump on the first comment even hinting at the superiority of vinyl over CD.&gt; No surprises.
Vinyl sounds better.Sure.
In your dreams.
And only in your dreams.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350470</id>
	<title>HA!</title>
	<author>munehiro</author>
	<datestamp>1260178980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and now try put disk copy protection on that!</p><p>oh wait...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and now try put disk copy protection on that ! oh wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and now try put disk copy protection on that!oh wait...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30353554</id>
	<title>Re:physicality of vinyl</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260204000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I have a few CDs that have become scratched and are now unplayable.</i></p><p>Scratched CDs are nearly always recoverable with the right physical (polising, spraying etc.) methods and the right software methods (repeated ultra-slow speed rips with the right software). I've got about 500 CDs going back 20-25 years and *all* the scratched ones are rippable no matter how bad they look (so they can be exactly copied, even if the original won't play at normal speed).</p><p>The three CDs I have which won't play/rip and are not even rcognized as CDs are the ones with the dreaded 'bit rot' - some sort of corrosion that you can see as pinholes right through when you hold the CD up to the light.</p><p>But I guess if your scratches really are deep enough they'd be unrecoverable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a few CDs that have become scratched and are now unplayable.Scratched CDs are nearly always recoverable with the right physical ( polising , spraying etc .
) methods and the right software methods ( repeated ultra-slow speed rips with the right software ) .
I 've got about 500 CDs going back 20-25 years and * all * the scratched ones are rippable no matter how bad they look ( so they can be exactly copied , even if the original wo n't play at normal speed ) .The three CDs I have which wo n't play/rip and are not even rcognized as CDs are the ones with the dreaded 'bit rot ' - some sort of corrosion that you can see as pinholes right through when you hold the CD up to the light.But I guess if your scratches really are deep enough they 'd be unrecoverable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a few CDs that have become scratched and are now unplayable.Scratched CDs are nearly always recoverable with the right physical (polising, spraying etc.
) methods and the right software methods (repeated ultra-slow speed rips with the right software).
I've got about 500 CDs going back 20-25 years and *all* the scratched ones are rippable no matter how bad they look (so they can be exactly copied, even if the original won't play at normal speed).The three CDs I have which won't play/rip and are not even rcognized as CDs are the ones with the dreaded 'bit rot' - some sort of corrosion that you can see as pinholes right through when you hold the CD up to the light.But I guess if your scratches really are deep enough they'd be unrecoverable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30355292</id>
	<title>Re:Pfft...</title>
	<author>toadlife</author>
	<datestamp>1260211260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All of Nirvana's stuff was recorded analog.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All of Nirvana 's stuff was recorded analog .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All of Nirvana's stuff was recorded analog.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350460</id>
	<title>Betamax</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260178860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Time to get that Betamax player out of the attic!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Time to get that Betamax player out of the attic !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time to get that Betamax player out of the attic!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350818</id>
	<title>Re:When your market is so small</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1260182940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn&rsquo;t exactly call the DJing market small.</p><p>Then again, there are things like Stanton Final Scratch, where you need turntables, but not Vinyls (other than the ones containing the time codes).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wouldn    t exactly call the DJing market small.Then again , there are things like Stanton Final Scratch , where you need turntables , but not Vinyls ( other than the ones containing the time codes ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn’t exactly call the DJing market small.Then again, there are things like Stanton Final Scratch, where you need turntables, but not Vinyls (other than the ones containing the time codes).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30353258</id>
	<title>I bought a turntable</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260202680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of these cheap USB ones, because my in-laws have a stack of old hard to find recordings on vinyl that we want to preserve.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of these cheap USB ones , because my in-laws have a stack of old hard to find recordings on vinyl that we want to preserve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of these cheap USB ones, because my in-laws have a stack of old hard to find recordings on vinyl that we want to preserve.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30355848</id>
	<title>Re:Pfft...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260214020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How could the 8-track have "won" against the cassette, if it died first? That's like saying the Betamax won because it died BEFORE VHS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How could the 8-track have " won " against the cassette , if it died first ?
That 's like saying the Betamax won because it died BEFORE VHS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How could the 8-track have "won" against the cassette, if it died first?
That's like saying the Betamax won because it died BEFORE VHS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30355810</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>ballpoint</author>
	<datestamp>1260213840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What did you expect would happen, people would start buying vinyl records, but just look at them instead of playing them? Is there some iPhone vinyl add-on I'm not aware of?</p></div><p>Maybe from the author of <a href="http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~springer/" title="huji.ac.il">Digital Needle ?</a> [huji.ac.il]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What did you expect would happen , people would start buying vinyl records , but just look at them instead of playing them ?
Is there some iPhone vinyl add-on I 'm not aware of ? Maybe from the author of Digital Needle ?
[ huji.ac.il ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What did you expect would happen, people would start buying vinyl records, but just look at them instead of playing them?
Is there some iPhone vinyl add-on I'm not aware of?Maybe from the author of Digital Needle ?
[huji.ac.il]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30355236</id>
	<title>Always</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260211020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>New turntables and used albums have always been available locally for me.  I will never buy an iPod!  There are MP3 and video players out there that are better made (iPods are JUNK!) and at better prices.  How Apple ever arranged for the  iPod to become a status symbol for idiots remains a mystery.  No intelligent person would buy one!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>New turntables and used albums have always been available locally for me .
I will never buy an iPod !
There are MP3 and video players out there that are better made ( iPods are JUNK !
) and at better prices .
How Apple ever arranged for the iPod to become a status symbol for idiots remains a mystery .
No intelligent person would buy one !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New turntables and used albums have always been available locally for me.
I will never buy an iPod!
There are MP3 and video players out there that are better made (iPods are JUNK!
) and at better prices.
How Apple ever arranged for the  iPod to become a status symbol for idiots remains a mystery.
No intelligent person would buy one!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30356360</id>
	<title>both mediums are overrated.</title>
	<author>archangel9</author>
	<datestamp>1260216540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why bother with recordingss when you can blow your reward money to hire Van Halen to play your birthday party? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast\_Times\_at\_Ridgemont\_High" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Thank you, Mr. Spicoli.</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why bother with recordingss when you can blow your reward money to hire Van Halen to play your birthday party ?
Thank you , Mr. Spicoli. [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why bother with recordingss when you can blow your reward money to hire Van Halen to play your birthday party?
Thank you, Mr. Spicoli. [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350958</id>
	<title>Technics is leaving the market?</title>
	<author>jcr</author>
	<datestamp>1260184560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Excellent!  That leaves an opening for my half-million dollar turntables with the moonrock platter, musk-ox felt platter isolation pad, maglev suspension, hand-wound drive motor made from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.999 fine gold windings and magnets made from civil-war cannonballs, turning a belt made from whale foreskin.</p><p>Installation by factory representatives is mandatory.  $500/hour per man, minimum crew of 16, travel time included.  To ensure that they do the best possible job (you know you can hear the difference), I'll send my crew to you on a private jet.</p><p>
&nbsp; And of course, that doesn't include the tonearm or cartridge.</p><p>-jcr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Excellent !
That leaves an opening for my half-million dollar turntables with the moonrock platter , musk-ox felt platter isolation pad , maglev suspension , hand-wound drive motor made from .999 fine gold windings and magnets made from civil-war cannonballs , turning a belt made from whale foreskin.Installation by factory representatives is mandatory .
$ 500/hour per man , minimum crew of 16 , travel time included .
To ensure that they do the best possible job ( you know you can hear the difference ) , I 'll send my crew to you on a private jet .
  And of course , that does n't include the tonearm or cartridge.-jcr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excellent!
That leaves an opening for my half-million dollar turntables with the moonrock platter, musk-ox felt platter isolation pad, maglev suspension, hand-wound drive motor made from .999 fine gold windings and magnets made from civil-war cannonballs, turning a belt made from whale foreskin.Installation by factory representatives is mandatory.
$500/hour per man, minimum crew of 16, travel time included.
To ensure that they do the best possible job (you know you can hear the difference), I'll send my crew to you on a private jet.
  And of course, that doesn't include the tonearm or cartridge.-jcr</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30357272</id>
	<title>Re:Fad.</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1260177720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fallacies:</p><p><i>virgin vs. recycled vinyl</i><br>So laughable it doesn't need rebuttal. Vinyl is vinyl.</p><p><i>worn stylus</i><br>You're going to wear a diamond out by scratching it across vinyl?</p><p><i>Even under optimum conditions the quality advantage of a record is gone after 5-8 plays, as friction heat from the stylus literally melts the signal irreparably</i><br>Your stylus is NOT going to melt your records. The half gram of force the stylus of a good turntable exerts on the vinyl will not degrade it.</p><p><i>Then, after I tell them this, their reasoning changes--they like records because the hiss and pops are warm and soothing.</i><br>Only an idiot would think dirt and scratches are "warm and soothing".</p><p><i>The question of quality aside, records are a pain to deal with! You have to handle them carefully,</i><br>No more carefully than a CD. Handle a CD and LP equally roughly, and you'll find that the LP sounds like shit, but the CD won't even play.</p><p><i>clean them often with specific supplies</i><br>Dish soap and a soft cloth.</p><p><i>After a couple of songs have played, you have to stop what you're doing and flip the record over </i><br>~25 minutes per side, CD =78 minutes per CD. With a changer this is no problem with either medium.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fallacies : virgin vs. recycled vinylSo laughable it does n't need rebuttal .
Vinyl is vinyl.worn stylusYou 're going to wear a diamond out by scratching it across vinyl ? Even under optimum conditions the quality advantage of a record is gone after 5-8 plays , as friction heat from the stylus literally melts the signal irreparablyYour stylus is NOT going to melt your records .
The half gram of force the stylus of a good turntable exerts on the vinyl will not degrade it.Then , after I tell them this , their reasoning changes--they like records because the hiss and pops are warm and soothing.Only an idiot would think dirt and scratches are " warm and soothing " .The question of quality aside , records are a pain to deal with !
You have to handle them carefully,No more carefully than a CD .
Handle a CD and LP equally roughly , and you 'll find that the LP sounds like shit , but the CD wo n't even play.clean them often with specific suppliesDish soap and a soft cloth.After a couple of songs have played , you have to stop what you 're doing and flip the record over ~ 25 minutes per side , CD = 78 minutes per CD .
With a changer this is no problem with either medium .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fallacies:virgin vs. recycled vinylSo laughable it doesn't need rebuttal.
Vinyl is vinyl.worn stylusYou're going to wear a diamond out by scratching it across vinyl?Even under optimum conditions the quality advantage of a record is gone after 5-8 plays, as friction heat from the stylus literally melts the signal irreparablyYour stylus is NOT going to melt your records.
The half gram of force the stylus of a good turntable exerts on the vinyl will not degrade it.Then, after I tell them this, their reasoning changes--they like records because the hiss and pops are warm and soothing.Only an idiot would think dirt and scratches are "warm and soothing".The question of quality aside, records are a pain to deal with!
You have to handle them carefully,No more carefully than a CD.
Handle a CD and LP equally roughly, and you'll find that the LP sounds like shit, but the CD won't even play.clean them often with specific suppliesDish soap and a soft cloth.After a couple of songs have played, you have to stop what you're doing and flip the record over ~25 minutes per side, CD =78 minutes per CD.
With a changer this is no problem with either medium.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30356354</id>
	<title>Re:Pfft...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260216480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Two things:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And unlike a cassette, if your 8-track got ate, you might as well throw it in the trash.</p></div><p>8-tracks were just as repairable as cassettes.  My dad had a splicing setup which allowed him to repair both (and reel-to-reel as well).  He also had an 8-track recorder.  This wasn't sound studio stuff, just higher-end consumer gear.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>But the one thing more than anything else that made 8-tracks suck like a Hoover was the fact that it had to change tracks four times during an album. This usually necessitated at least one song and usually more being interrupted in the middle!</p></div><p>On most of the 8-tracks I recall, there were just extra silent gaps at the end of three of the four song tracks, or there were longer gaps between songs compared to the LP.  The order of songs was often different from the LP to try to reduce or eliminate the gaps.  I recall only a few 8-tracks having the switch in mid-song, the most jarring of which was Kraftwerk's Trans-Europe Express - they really didn't have a choice as the title cut was over 20 minutes long.  For years after when listening to it on LP (and later CD), I would reflexively cringe in anticipation of the Lovecraftian distortion near the middle of the song.</p><p>But, yeah, 8-track sucked.  It was still cool to look at the innards as a kid, and occasionally help my dad rebuild one, or make a custom one.</p><p>- T</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Two things : And unlike a cassette , if your 8-track got ate , you might as well throw it in the trash.8-tracks were just as repairable as cassettes .
My dad had a splicing setup which allowed him to repair both ( and reel-to-reel as well ) .
He also had an 8-track recorder .
This was n't sound studio stuff , just higher-end consumer gear.But the one thing more than anything else that made 8-tracks suck like a Hoover was the fact that it had to change tracks four times during an album .
This usually necessitated at least one song and usually more being interrupted in the middle ! On most of the 8-tracks I recall , there were just extra silent gaps at the end of three of the four song tracks , or there were longer gaps between songs compared to the LP .
The order of songs was often different from the LP to try to reduce or eliminate the gaps .
I recall only a few 8-tracks having the switch in mid-song , the most jarring of which was Kraftwerk 's Trans-Europe Express - they really did n't have a choice as the title cut was over 20 minutes long .
For years after when listening to it on LP ( and later CD ) , I would reflexively cringe in anticipation of the Lovecraftian distortion near the middle of the song.But , yeah , 8-track sucked .
It was still cool to look at the innards as a kid , and occasionally help my dad rebuild one , or make a custom one.- T</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two things:And unlike a cassette, if your 8-track got ate, you might as well throw it in the trash.8-tracks were just as repairable as cassettes.
My dad had a splicing setup which allowed him to repair both (and reel-to-reel as well).
He also had an 8-track recorder.
This wasn't sound studio stuff, just higher-end consumer gear.But the one thing more than anything else that made 8-tracks suck like a Hoover was the fact that it had to change tracks four times during an album.
This usually necessitated at least one song and usually more being interrupted in the middle!On most of the 8-tracks I recall, there were just extra silent gaps at the end of three of the four song tracks, or there were longer gaps between songs compared to the LP.
The order of songs was often different from the LP to try to reduce or eliminate the gaps.
I recall only a few 8-tracks having the switch in mid-song, the most jarring of which was Kraftwerk's Trans-Europe Express - they really didn't have a choice as the title cut was over 20 minutes long.
For years after when listening to it on LP (and later CD), I would reflexively cringe in anticipation of the Lovecraftian distortion near the middle of the song.But, yeah, 8-track sucked.
It was still cool to look at the innards as a kid, and occasionally help my dad rebuild one, or make a custom one.- T
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352732</id>
	<title>Re:Have seen it coming</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260200100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Vinyl rips are too inconvenient to ever threaten digitally distributed music.</p></div><p>People who buy vinyl are also likely to buy a turntable which does direct MP3 conversions for use on their portable player of choice, rather than buy the same track again as a download. It may be less convenient than the fully automated process we have with CDs, but it won't be inconvenient enough to impact unauthorised redistribution of music. The problem the music industry faces is that it's just too darn easy to digitise music, even if it's distributed in analogue form.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Vinyl rips are too inconvenient to ever threaten digitally distributed music.People who buy vinyl are also likely to buy a turntable which does direct MP3 conversions for use on their portable player of choice , rather than buy the same track again as a download .
It may be less convenient than the fully automated process we have with CDs , but it wo n't be inconvenient enough to impact unauthorised redistribution of music .
The problem the music industry faces is that it 's just too darn easy to digitise music , even if it 's distributed in analogue form .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vinyl rips are too inconvenient to ever threaten digitally distributed music.People who buy vinyl are also likely to buy a turntable which does direct MP3 conversions for use on their portable player of choice, rather than buy the same track again as a download.
It may be less convenient than the fully automated process we have with CDs, but it won't be inconvenient enough to impact unauthorised redistribution of music.
The problem the music industry faces is that it's just too darn easy to digitise music, even if it's distributed in analogue form.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30355426</id>
	<title>Meh, relax</title>
	<author>Xanavi</author>
	<datestamp>1260211920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a taste for classic jazz records. I buy them and I enjoy them. Quite simple really.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a taste for classic jazz records .
I buy them and I enjoy them .
Quite simple really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a taste for classic jazz records.
I buy them and I enjoy them.
Quite simple really.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30356458</id>
	<title>In short, sometimes yes: see my another post...</title>
	<author>Leviathant</author>
	<datestamp>1260217020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...from earlier in the thread, where I directly compare a modern vinyl release to it's CD equivalent, and the vinyl is actually MORE compressed than the CD. <a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1469166&amp;cid=30356370" title="slashdot.org">Here's the post</a> [slashdot.org]. The funny bit is that the vinyl came with a digital download of 320kbps MP3s that were sourced from a vinyl copy of the album. That's a fidelity double whammy, isn't it? Lower dynamic range from vinyl, compressed to MP3? (If you don't end up reading my other post, I bought the vinyl because it was $5 more than the digital download)</htmltext>
<tokenext>...from earlier in the thread , where I directly compare a modern vinyl release to it 's CD equivalent , and the vinyl is actually MORE compressed than the CD .
Here 's the post [ slashdot.org ] .
The funny bit is that the vinyl came with a digital download of 320kbps MP3s that were sourced from a vinyl copy of the album .
That 's a fidelity double whammy , is n't it ?
Lower dynamic range from vinyl , compressed to MP3 ?
( If you do n't end up reading my other post , I bought the vinyl because it was $ 5 more than the digital download )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...from earlier in the thread, where I directly compare a modern vinyl release to it's CD equivalent, and the vinyl is actually MORE compressed than the CD.
Here's the post [slashdot.org].
The funny bit is that the vinyl came with a digital download of 320kbps MP3s that were sourced from a vinyl copy of the album.
That's a fidelity double whammy, isn't it?
Lower dynamic range from vinyl, compressed to MP3?
(If you don't end up reading my other post, I bought the vinyl because it was $5 more than the digital download)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30352396</id>
	<title>Target</title>
	<author>michaelmalak</author>
	<datestamp>1260198600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was surprised last week in Target to seem some cheap phonographs stacked next to the Christmas ornaments. I think that means the fad is over.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was surprised last week in Target to seem some cheap phonographs stacked next to the Christmas ornaments .
I think that means the fad is over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was surprised last week in Target to seem some cheap phonographs stacked next to the Christmas ornaments.
I think that means the fad is over.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350534</id>
	<title>It's been growing for a while...</title>
	<author>FauxReal</author>
	<datestamp>1260179640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Me and my friends have been talking about the resurgence of vinyl DJs for years. A friend who visits Japan every year to sell vintage jazz, soul and funk music (they love it out there) was telling me that DJ shops seemed to be catching up to guitar stores back in 1998. I almost think it's just about peaked myself. Then again maybe DJ Hero will cause a nice spike in sales.
<br> <br>
Personally, I prefer to buy my music on vinyl, I like the huge cover art and the tactile interaction of playing a record. The nature of vinyl also doesn't lend itself to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness\_war" title="wikipedia.org">Loudness War</a> [wikipedia.org]. The only things I don't like about vinyl is it weighs a ton when you're trying to get to a gig and when listening at home you gotta get up and flip the record.
<br> <br>
I kinda think digital DJing has been gaining a lot of ground lately... there are so many <a href="http://www.scratchlive.net/" title="scratchlive.net">Serato</a> [scratchlive.net] copycats) out there now  (some are purely digital while Serto allows the use of timecoded vinyl for control. I've been a hardcore vinyl head and I'm finally considering going the digital route because of the convenience of weight saving and you can make your own remixes. Though it still pisses me off that I spent so much time and money collecting rare tracks when these days laptop DJs can just download them off the net. It's made it a lot harder to have an exclusive track.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Me and my friends have been talking about the resurgence of vinyl DJs for years .
A friend who visits Japan every year to sell vintage jazz , soul and funk music ( they love it out there ) was telling me that DJ shops seemed to be catching up to guitar stores back in 1998 .
I almost think it 's just about peaked myself .
Then again maybe DJ Hero will cause a nice spike in sales .
Personally , I prefer to buy my music on vinyl , I like the huge cover art and the tactile interaction of playing a record .
The nature of vinyl also does n't lend itself to the Loudness War [ wikipedia.org ] .
The only things I do n't like about vinyl is it weighs a ton when you 're trying to get to a gig and when listening at home you got ta get up and flip the record .
I kinda think digital DJing has been gaining a lot of ground lately... there are so many Serato [ scratchlive.net ] copycats ) out there now ( some are purely digital while Serto allows the use of timecoded vinyl for control .
I 've been a hardcore vinyl head and I 'm finally considering going the digital route because of the convenience of weight saving and you can make your own remixes .
Though it still pisses me off that I spent so much time and money collecting rare tracks when these days laptop DJs can just download them off the net .
It 's made it a lot harder to have an exclusive track .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Me and my friends have been talking about the resurgence of vinyl DJs for years.
A friend who visits Japan every year to sell vintage jazz, soul and funk music (they love it out there) was telling me that DJ shops seemed to be catching up to guitar stores back in 1998.
I almost think it's just about peaked myself.
Then again maybe DJ Hero will cause a nice spike in sales.
Personally, I prefer to buy my music on vinyl, I like the huge cover art and the tactile interaction of playing a record.
The nature of vinyl also doesn't lend itself to the Loudness War [wikipedia.org].
The only things I don't like about vinyl is it weighs a ton when you're trying to get to a gig and when listening at home you gotta get up and flip the record.
I kinda think digital DJing has been gaining a lot of ground lately... there are so many Serato [scratchlive.net] copycats) out there now  (some are purely digital while Serto allows the use of timecoded vinyl for control.
I've been a hardcore vinyl head and I'm finally considering going the digital route because of the convenience of weight saving and you can make your own remixes.
Though it still pisses me off that I spent so much time and money collecting rare tracks when these days laptop DJs can just download them off the net.
It's made it a lot harder to have an exclusive track.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30351000</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1260185280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Real men don&rsquo;t wear shoes, you insensitive clod!<br><a href="http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=ironhead\%20haynes&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;rls=org.gentoo:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=N&amp;hl=en&amp;tab=wv#q=ironhead+haynes&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;rls=org.gentoo\%3Aen-US\%3Aofficial&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=N&amp;hl=en&amp;tab=wv&amp;qvid=ironhead+haynes&amp;vid=1257710516677733224" title="google.com">They were spores. But no shoes!</a> [google.com] ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Real men don    t wear shoes , you insensitive clod ! They were spores .
But no shoes !
[ google.com ] ^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real men don’t wear shoes, you insensitive clod!They were spores.
But no shoes!
[google.com] ^^</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30359568</id>
	<title>Re:physicality of vinyl</title>
	<author>Dr. Sp0ng</author>
	<datestamp>1260190380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Yeah, but at least you can repair a cd with things like 'Dr CD and DVD Repair Device' unless the scratch is too deep.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

Or toothpaste. Works wonders on scratched up CDs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but at least you can repair a cd with things like 'Dr CD and DVD Repair Device ' unless the scratch is too deep .
Or toothpaste .
Works wonders on scratched up CDs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but at least you can repair a cd with things like 'Dr CD and DVD Repair Device' unless the scratch is too deep.
Or toothpaste.
Works wonders on scratched up CDs.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30356886</id>
	<title>Re:physicality of vinyl</title>
	<author>KGBear</author>
	<datestamp>1260219060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Back in the '80s my friends and I produced a number of tapes that we jokingly called 'the magnum opii' (as obras primas for those who speak portuguese). The method to produce one of these was simple: start with something random on a turntable; then you have however long that song lasts to select the next song, find the album, put it on the second turntable and be ready to mix it in just at the right time. Not only the tapes sounded good (although sometimes really really bad or hilarious), but it was good exercise for the musical mind, having to keep a lot of info about music in our heads to be able to pull good mixes. Good times...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in the '80s my friends and I produced a number of tapes that we jokingly called 'the magnum opii ' ( as obras primas for those who speak portuguese ) .
The method to produce one of these was simple : start with something random on a turntable ; then you have however long that song lasts to select the next song , find the album , put it on the second turntable and be ready to mix it in just at the right time .
Not only the tapes sounded good ( although sometimes really really bad or hilarious ) , but it was good exercise for the musical mind , having to keep a lot of info about music in our heads to be able to pull good mixes .
Good times... : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in the '80s my friends and I produced a number of tapes that we jokingly called 'the magnum opii' (as obras primas for those who speak portuguese).
The method to produce one of these was simple: start with something random on a turntable; then you have however long that song lasts to select the next song, find the album, put it on the second turntable and be ready to mix it in just at the right time.
Not only the tapes sounded good (although sometimes really really bad or hilarious), but it was good exercise for the musical mind, having to keep a lot of info about music in our heads to be able to pull good mixes.
Good times... :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350692</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second....</title>
	<author>mcrbids</author>
	<datestamp>1260181380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think the news is that people are buying turntables to go along with their records. The news is that so many people are buying records that stores are beginning to stock record players again. And that IS surprising!</p><p>People are rediscovering quality. They are rediscovering the "old way" where dynamic range matters, where music isn't all dynamically depressed so that everything "plays loud". Really, it's sad, because a CD has the dynamic range to go from a barely audible whisper to something rivaling a jet engine at full power from 30 feet!</p><p>But because CDs are universally NOT mixed to take advantage of this, the quiet as well as the loud, records are often given more latitude for musical expression. They are cheap to make, and much of what's available on LP was mixed according to the demands of the song. And there's a mental equation that makes CDs, MP3s, and even cassettes all comparable "digital" tech, the record is obviously not that way. (Yes, I know about cassettes being analong, but I'm talking about market perception)</p><p>Sound aficionados then use records to say "I care about sound quality" because of the obvious difference it has to other media. And sadly, despite the technical inferiority, they actually get better sounding music from this much older medium.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think the news is that people are buying turntables to go along with their records .
The news is that so many people are buying records that stores are beginning to stock record players again .
And that IS surprising ! People are rediscovering quality .
They are rediscovering the " old way " where dynamic range matters , where music is n't all dynamically depressed so that everything " plays loud " .
Really , it 's sad , because a CD has the dynamic range to go from a barely audible whisper to something rivaling a jet engine at full power from 30 feet ! But because CDs are universally NOT mixed to take advantage of this , the quiet as well as the loud , records are often given more latitude for musical expression .
They are cheap to make , and much of what 's available on LP was mixed according to the demands of the song .
And there 's a mental equation that makes CDs , MP3s , and even cassettes all comparable " digital " tech , the record is obviously not that way .
( Yes , I know about cassettes being analong , but I 'm talking about market perception ) Sound aficionados then use records to say " I care about sound quality " because of the obvious difference it has to other media .
And sadly , despite the technical inferiority , they actually get better sounding music from this much older medium .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think the news is that people are buying turntables to go along with their records.
The news is that so many people are buying records that stores are beginning to stock record players again.
And that IS surprising!People are rediscovering quality.
They are rediscovering the "old way" where dynamic range matters, where music isn't all dynamically depressed so that everything "plays loud".
Really, it's sad, because a CD has the dynamic range to go from a barely audible whisper to something rivaling a jet engine at full power from 30 feet!But because CDs are universally NOT mixed to take advantage of this, the quiet as well as the loud, records are often given more latitude for musical expression.
They are cheap to make, and much of what's available on LP was mixed according to the demands of the song.
And there's a mental equation that makes CDs, MP3s, and even cassettes all comparable "digital" tech, the record is obviously not that way.
(Yes, I know about cassettes being analong, but I'm talking about market perception)Sound aficionados then use records to say "I care about sound quality" because of the obvious difference it has to other media.
And sadly, despite the technical inferiority, they actually get better sounding music from this much older medium.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350524</id>
	<title>Re:HA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260179460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>that's right, now combine that with proper mastering (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness\_War" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness\_War</a> [wikipedia.org]) of vinyl compared to CD (for jazz, pop and rock at least).</htmltext>
<tokenext>that 's right , now combine that with proper mastering ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness \ _War [ wikipedia.org ] ) of vinyl compared to CD ( for jazz , pop and rock at least ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that's right, now combine that with proper mastering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness\_War [wikipedia.org]) of vinyl compared to CD (for jazz, pop and rock at least).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30354508</id>
	<title>Re:physicality of vinyl</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260207900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Vinyl is far better for an evening devoted to listening to music because it really encourages you to make the music the central part of the evening. Too much distraction and there's no more music. That contrasts with CDs, and is entirely different from mp3 listening. Banshee tells me that I can start playing my mp3 library and continue for 22.5 days. That sort of thing promotes an extremely passive kind of listening, music as just something that's there.</p> </div><p>Ah, BS. For me having my entire library readily accessible facilitates music listening more than physicality would. I can sit and listen to a track, think about what would be good next, and instead of getting up and flipping through a stack of LPs, right-click the track and say "Add to Now Playing". I'm back to listening to the music in the amount of time it takes you to walk over to your collection. And then if I like the mix I can save it as a playlist that can be replayed at any time.</p><p>Everything you do with vinyl can be done with digital. You're just substituting inconvenience for discipline, which is an odd thing to call an advantage.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Vinyl is far better for an evening devoted to listening to music because it really encourages you to make the music the central part of the evening .
Too much distraction and there 's no more music .
That contrasts with CDs , and is entirely different from mp3 listening .
Banshee tells me that I can start playing my mp3 library and continue for 22.5 days .
That sort of thing promotes an extremely passive kind of listening , music as just something that 's there .
Ah , BS .
For me having my entire library readily accessible facilitates music listening more than physicality would .
I can sit and listen to a track , think about what would be good next , and instead of getting up and flipping through a stack of LPs , right-click the track and say " Add to Now Playing " .
I 'm back to listening to the music in the amount of time it takes you to walk over to your collection .
And then if I like the mix I can save it as a playlist that can be replayed at any time.Everything you do with vinyl can be done with digital .
You 're just substituting inconvenience for discipline , which is an odd thing to call an advantage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vinyl is far better for an evening devoted to listening to music because it really encourages you to make the music the central part of the evening.
Too much distraction and there's no more music.
That contrasts with CDs, and is entirely different from mp3 listening.
Banshee tells me that I can start playing my mp3 library and continue for 22.5 days.
That sort of thing promotes an extremely passive kind of listening, music as just something that's there.
Ah, BS.
For me having my entire library readily accessible facilitates music listening more than physicality would.
I can sit and listen to a track, think about what would be good next, and instead of getting up and flipping through a stack of LPs, right-click the track and say "Add to Now Playing".
I'm back to listening to the music in the amount of time it takes you to walk over to your collection.
And then if I like the mix I can save it as a playlist that can be replayed at any time.Everything you do with vinyl can be done with digital.
You're just substituting inconvenience for discipline, which is an odd thing to call an advantage.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30365178</id>
	<title>Test anyone?</title>
	<author>walt77</author>
	<datestamp>1260287520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Any comparison of audio quality between vinyl and CD I ever read suffered from the serious limitation that you can easily recognize the vinyl by listening for scratches, etc. Did anyone ever conduct a blind test where scratches where digitally added to the CD-playback?
<p>
I'd love to know whether the self-proclaimed 'true audiophiles' would still recognize the 'better' medium.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any comparison of audio quality between vinyl and CD I ever read suffered from the serious limitation that you can easily recognize the vinyl by listening for scratches , etc .
Did anyone ever conduct a blind test where scratches where digitally added to the CD-playback ?
I 'd love to know whether the self-proclaimed 'true audiophiles ' would still recognize the 'better ' medium .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any comparison of audio quality between vinyl and CD I ever read suffered from the serious limitation that you can easily recognize the vinyl by listening for scratches, etc.
Did anyone ever conduct a blind test where scratches where digitally added to the CD-playback?
I'd love to know whether the self-proclaimed 'true audiophiles' would still recognize the 'better' medium.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30350636</id>
	<title>Fad.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260180900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>A few years ago I worked in a record store where we actually sold more records more than cds. I own a relatively large number of records, contemporary and otherwise. Despite all this, It's my opinion that this is just a fad, one strangely ambling along at a lazy pace. I think the only reason it has been able to gain traction is because people don't realize all the pitfalls of records. To start, yes, records can theoretically sound better, but there are Many things that can get in the way of that: virgin vs. recycled vinyl, cold pressings, warping, dirty or worn stylus, imbalanced tonearm, etc. Even under optimum conditions the quality advantage of a record is gone after 5-8 plays, as friction heat from the stylus literally melts the signal irreparably; from then on, the sound quality will continue to deteriorate with each play. Most people start out saying that they like records because analog sounds better. Then, after I tell them this, their reasoning changes--they like records because the hiss and pops are warm and soothing.

The question of quality aside, records are a pain to deal with! You have to handle them carefully, clean them often with specific supplies. After a couple of songs have played, you have to stop what you're doing and flip the record over (don't try putting on a Barry White record, it may set the mood, but only for a few minutes... and hopefully that's regarded as a problem). Some people say they enjoy the whole process involved with records, that by having to do all that work they are able to appreciate the music more. Fine, but personally, having to constantly fidget with the record player interrupts the pleasure I get from listening. Also, consider the weight and space records take up: I estimate about 50 records occupy a cubic foot and weigh at least 25 lbs. On the other hand, you can fit thousands of digital albums in your pocket. Records do have a certain sense of novelty to them, but it wears off fast; digital music is and will remain an incredible thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A few years ago I worked in a record store where we actually sold more records more than cds .
I own a relatively large number of records , contemporary and otherwise .
Despite all this , It 's my opinion that this is just a fad , one strangely ambling along at a lazy pace .
I think the only reason it has been able to gain traction is because people do n't realize all the pitfalls of records .
To start , yes , records can theoretically sound better , but there are Many things that can get in the way of that : virgin vs. recycled vinyl , cold pressings , warping , dirty or worn stylus , imbalanced tonearm , etc .
Even under optimum conditions the quality advantage of a record is gone after 5-8 plays , as friction heat from the stylus literally melts the signal irreparably ; from then on , the sound quality will continue to deteriorate with each play .
Most people start out saying that they like records because analog sounds better .
Then , after I tell them this , their reasoning changes--they like records because the hiss and pops are warm and soothing .
The question of quality aside , records are a pain to deal with !
You have to handle them carefully , clean them often with specific supplies .
After a couple of songs have played , you have to stop what you 're doing and flip the record over ( do n't try putting on a Barry White record , it may set the mood , but only for a few minutes... and hopefully that 's regarded as a problem ) .
Some people say they enjoy the whole process involved with records , that by having to do all that work they are able to appreciate the music more .
Fine , but personally , having to constantly fidget with the record player interrupts the pleasure I get from listening .
Also , consider the weight and space records take up : I estimate about 50 records occupy a cubic foot and weigh at least 25 lbs .
On the other hand , you can fit thousands of digital albums in your pocket .
Records do have a certain sense of novelty to them , but it wears off fast ; digital music is and will remain an incredible thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few years ago I worked in a record store where we actually sold more records more than cds.
I own a relatively large number of records, contemporary and otherwise.
Despite all this, It's my opinion that this is just a fad, one strangely ambling along at a lazy pace.
I think the only reason it has been able to gain traction is because people don't realize all the pitfalls of records.
To start, yes, records can theoretically sound better, but there are Many things that can get in the way of that: virgin vs. recycled vinyl, cold pressings, warping, dirty or worn stylus, imbalanced tonearm, etc.
Even under optimum conditions the quality advantage of a record is gone after 5-8 plays, as friction heat from the stylus literally melts the signal irreparably; from then on, the sound quality will continue to deteriorate with each play.
Most people start out saying that they like records because analog sounds better.
Then, after I tell them this, their reasoning changes--they like records because the hiss and pops are warm and soothing.
The question of quality aside, records are a pain to deal with!
You have to handle them carefully, clean them often with specific supplies.
After a couple of songs have played, you have to stop what you're doing and flip the record over (don't try putting on a Barry White record, it may set the mood, but only for a few minutes... and hopefully that's regarded as a problem).
Some people say they enjoy the whole process involved with records, that by having to do all that work they are able to appreciate the music more.
Fine, but personally, having to constantly fidget with the record player interrupts the pleasure I get from listening.
Also, consider the weight and space records take up: I estimate about 50 records occupy a cubic foot and weigh at least 25 lbs.
On the other hand, you can fit thousands of digital albums in your pocket.
Records do have a certain sense of novelty to them, but it wears off fast; digital music is and will remain an incredible thing.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Have seen it coming</title>
	<author>Frankie70</author>
	<datestamp>1260214800000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Some of my oldest CD's - 20-25 years old - are being refused by my CD player.</p></div></blockquote><p>This is my biggest grouse with both CDs &amp; DVDs.<br>I have old audio &amp; VHS tapes which play fine while newer CDs &amp; DVDs have become unusable.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Some of my oldest CD 's - 20-25 years old - are being refused by my CD player.This is my biggest grouse with both CDs &amp; DVDs.I have old audio &amp; VHS tapes which play fine while newer CDs &amp; DVDs have become unusable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of my oldest CD's - 20-25 years old - are being refused by my CD player.This is my biggest grouse with both CDs &amp; DVDs.I have old audio &amp; VHS tapes which play fine while newer CDs &amp; DVDs have become unusable.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_07_0750205.30358060</id>
	<title>Re:Pfft...</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1260182280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><i>You wrote that here in 2004: <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/8/134958/152" title="kuro5hin.org">http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/8/134958/152</a> [kuro5hin.org].<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the current release of Zep's "Presence" is digitally mastered</i></p><p>Yes, from the analog source. There wasn't any digital recording when Zeppelin was out, digital didn't start until the very late 1970s.</p><p>Someone else mentioned that Nirvana was digitally mastered; I'm not always correct. I didn't have an analog copy of that album, but the statement was illustrational -- an analog product from a digital master will be inferior to a digital product from a digital master. You still get the advantages of theither and the disadvantages of both.</p><p><i>If you get ANY LP demonstrating better bass than the corresponding CD, you have a CD made by someone who didn't have a frickin' clue about mastering audio for a CD.</i></p><p>I wouldn't argue with that. Bass should be a CD's strong point; the deeper the tone, the less aliasing there is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You wrote that here in 2004 : http : //www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/8/134958/152 [ kuro5hin.org ] .
... the current release of Zep 's " Presence " is digitally masteredYes , from the analog source .
There was n't any digital recording when Zeppelin was out , digital did n't start until the very late 1970s.Someone else mentioned that Nirvana was digitally mastered ; I 'm not always correct .
I did n't have an analog copy of that album , but the statement was illustrational -- an analog product from a digital master will be inferior to a digital product from a digital master .
You still get the advantages of theither and the disadvantages of both.If you get ANY LP demonstrating better bass than the corresponding CD , you have a CD made by someone who did n't have a frickin ' clue about mastering audio for a CD.I would n't argue with that .
Bass should be a CD 's strong point ; the deeper the tone , the less aliasing there is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You wrote that here in 2004: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/8/134958/152 [kuro5hin.org].
... the current release of Zep's "Presence" is digitally masteredYes, from the analog source.
There wasn't any digital recording when Zeppelin was out, digital didn't start until the very late 1970s.Someone else mentioned that Nirvana was digitally mastered; I'm not always correct.
I didn't have an analog copy of that album, but the statement was illustrational -- an analog product from a digital master will be inferior to a digital product from a digital master.
You still get the advantages of theither and the disadvantages of both.If you get ANY LP demonstrating better bass than the corresponding CD, you have a CD made by someone who didn't have a frickin' clue about mastering audio for a CD.I wouldn't argue with that.
Bass should be a CD's strong point; the deeper the tone, the less aliasing there is.</sentencetext>
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