<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_06_0020245</id>
	<title>Multiple-Display Power Tools For Linux?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1260107880000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>shift writes <i>"I've used multiple monitors for years (currently 3) and find that Linux is lacking in power tools for such setups.  Even Windows 7 has added the feature to move a window from screen to screen with keyboard shortcuts.  Are any of the major desktop environments adding such features?  I'm still stuck on FVWM and have defined functions to swap the contents of screens as well as move windows from screen to screen and so on.  But this just seems like such basic functionality people would want in multi-screen setups that I'm surprised I don't find any of these features in our latest desktop environments."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>shift writes " I 've used multiple monitors for years ( currently 3 ) and find that Linux is lacking in power tools for such setups .
Even Windows 7 has added the feature to move a window from screen to screen with keyboard shortcuts .
Are any of the major desktop environments adding such features ?
I 'm still stuck on FVWM and have defined functions to swap the contents of screens as well as move windows from screen to screen and so on .
But this just seems like such basic functionality people would want in multi-screen setups that I 'm surprised I do n't find any of these features in our latest desktop environments .
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<sentencetext>shift writes "I've used multiple monitors for years (currently 3) and find that Linux is lacking in power tools for such setups.
Even Windows 7 has added the feature to move a window from screen to screen with keyboard shortcuts.
Are any of the major desktop environments adding such features?
I'm still stuck on FVWM and have defined functions to swap the contents of screens as well as move windows from screen to screen and so on.
But this just seems like such basic functionality people would want in multi-screen setups that I'm surprised I don't find any of these features in our latest desktop environments.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341616</id>
	<title>Re:multiple monitors with FVWM for a long time</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1260042900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I also like it because I can edit a file (gasp) to modify the configuration.</p></div></blockquote><p>I used FVWM for awhile too, so let's be fair here: you don't "configure" FVWM as much as you flat-out program it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also like it because I can edit a file ( gasp ) to modify the configuration.I used FVWM for awhile too , so let 's be fair here : you do n't " configure " FVWM as much as you flat-out program it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also like it because I can edit a file (gasp) to modify the configuration.I used FVWM for awhile too, so let's be fair here: you don't "configure" FVWM as much as you flat-out program it.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30348834</id>
	<title>Sawfish may be your answer</title>
	<author>Walkey</author>
	<datestamp>1260116340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know much about it personally, but I saw sawfish in action and found it pretty impressive under the command of a developer I know.<br>
Sawfish is Lisp-powered, so not for the faint of heart and great for defining your own shortcuts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know much about it personally , but I saw sawfish in action and found it pretty impressive under the command of a developer I know .
Sawfish is Lisp-powered , so not for the faint of heart and great for defining your own shortcuts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know much about it personally, but I saw sawfish in action and found it pretty impressive under the command of a developer I know.
Sawfish is Lisp-powered, so not for the faint of heart and great for defining your own shortcuts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340504</id>
	<title>Tiling</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260026520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux has many fine tiling window managers available, such as Xmonad, AwesomeWM, and StumpWM. These pieces of software deal very well with multi-monitor setups. They have support and expressive keybindings built in. They also automatically manage window size and placement, which is a great boon, especially if you have a lot of screen real estate: no more dragging windows around to see everything!</p><p>Truly, tiling window managers are screen-management power tools. I personally use Xmonad on four screens with named dynamic workspaces, which allows me to nicely label each set of windows and layout according to the content of the windows involved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux has many fine tiling window managers available , such as Xmonad , AwesomeWM , and StumpWM .
These pieces of software deal very well with multi-monitor setups .
They have support and expressive keybindings built in .
They also automatically manage window size and placement , which is a great boon , especially if you have a lot of screen real estate : no more dragging windows around to see everything ! Truly , tiling window managers are screen-management power tools .
I personally use Xmonad on four screens with named dynamic workspaces , which allows me to nicely label each set of windows and layout according to the content of the windows involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux has many fine tiling window managers available, such as Xmonad, AwesomeWM, and StumpWM.
These pieces of software deal very well with multi-monitor setups.
They have support and expressive keybindings built in.
They also automatically manage window size and placement, which is a great boon, especially if you have a lot of screen real estate: no more dragging windows around to see everything!Truly, tiling window managers are screen-management power tools.
I personally use Xmonad on four screens with named dynamic workspaces, which allows me to nicely label each set of windows and layout according to the content of the windows involved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340980</id>
	<title>Re:Power Tools</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260032700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Was I the only one that was thinking of Circular Saws, Electric drills with built in LCD displays?</p></div><p>Yes.  Yes you were.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Was I the only one that was thinking of Circular Saws , Electric drills with built in LCD displays ? Yes .
Yes you were .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was I the only one that was thinking of Circular Saws, Electric drills with built in LCD displays?Yes.
Yes you were.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341144</id>
	<title>Re:Partially correct, he is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260035160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Example 1 is just wrong.</p><p>Beyond a certain size (determined by your video card), xrandr will use your system RAM for the virtual desktop, which slows things down, but it still works.  Perhaps you were using compiz, which is actually limited by your video card's max texture size and cannot be supplemented.  For example, I am running a 2840x1050 virtual desktop on a thinkpad t43 (~5 years old).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Example 1 is just wrong.Beyond a certain size ( determined by your video card ) , xrandr will use your system RAM for the virtual desktop , which slows things down , but it still works .
Perhaps you were using compiz , which is actually limited by your video card 's max texture size and can not be supplemented .
For example , I am running a 2840x1050 virtual desktop on a thinkpad t43 ( ~ 5 years old ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Example 1 is just wrong.Beyond a certain size (determined by your video card), xrandr will use your system RAM for the virtual desktop, which slows things down, but it still works.
Perhaps you were using compiz, which is actually limited by your video card's max texture size and cannot be supplemented.
For example, I am running a 2840x1050 virtual desktop on a thinkpad t43 (~5 years old).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340402</id>
	<title>You can configure KDE to use the keyboard</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1260025620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Configure desktop &gt; Keyboard and Mouse &gt; Keyboard shortcuts &gt; kwin
</p><p>Select the action you want to do (move, maximize, move 1 desktop to left/right, move to desktop #, etc), and the keyboard combination you want to assign to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Configure desktop &gt; Keyboard and Mouse &gt; Keyboard shortcuts &gt; kwin Select the action you want to do ( move , maximize , move 1 desktop to left/right , move to desktop # , etc ) , and the keyboard combination you want to assign to it .</tokentext>
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Configure desktop &gt; Keyboard and Mouse &gt; Keyboard shortcuts &gt; kwin
Select the action you want to do (move, maximize, move 1 desktop to left/right, move to desktop #, etc), and the keyboard combination you want to assign to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340470</id>
	<title>Keyboard Shortcut in GNOME</title>
	<author>InfiniteLoopCounter</author>
	<datestamp>1260026160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To move a window to another monitor (not workspace) in GNOME, press alt+F7, hold shift and the direction you want to move.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To move a window to another monitor ( not workspace ) in GNOME , press alt + F7 , hold shift and the direction you want to move .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To move a window to another monitor (not workspace) in GNOME, press alt+F7, hold shift and the direction you want to move.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341642</id>
	<title>Your first point is wrong - I'm looking at proof</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1260129900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Example 1: 1600x1200 next to 1024x768, Gnome, year:2009. Failed</p></div></blockquote><p>That is very similar to the current setup on the home machine that I'm typing this on - stock Fedora11 with the driver from Nvidia and set up via the Nvidia tool in about 3 mouse clicks.<br>Here's how xdpyinfo reports it - notice it's wider than 2048:<br> <br> screen #0:
  dimensions:    2880x1200 pixels (671x272 millimeters)<br> <br> I've set up a few triple head machines as well with both edits to the xorg file and the Nvidia tool which now handles simply just about any configuration their cards are capable of.  Also I had multi screen setups wider than 2048 more than five years ago.  People have made video walls in X more than a decade ago with a pile of cards and monitors - can you provide a link to this limit many have managed to exceed which managed to stop you?  Is it another bit of gnome abandonware or just misunderstanding?</p><blockquote><div><p>But it would require the user to know that she uses a Nvidia card</p></div></blockquote><p>Hence the splash screen with a big "NVIDIA" on it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br>When I give new users these things I show them how to run it so that they can adjust their gamma or whatever else they want to do.<br>On the other hand the ATI stuff works flawlessly with the gnome tool, but 3D drivers on at least the stuff I have mean that google earth crashes X so I've got Nvidia on all the desktops.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Example 1 : 1600x1200 next to 1024x768 , Gnome , year : 2009 .
FailedThat is very similar to the current setup on the home machine that I 'm typing this on - stock Fedora11 with the driver from Nvidia and set up via the Nvidia tool in about 3 mouse clicks.Here 's how xdpyinfo reports it - notice it 's wider than 2048 : screen # 0 : dimensions : 2880x1200 pixels ( 671x272 millimeters ) I 've set up a few triple head machines as well with both edits to the xorg file and the Nvidia tool which now handles simply just about any configuration their cards are capable of .
Also I had multi screen setups wider than 2048 more than five years ago .
People have made video walls in X more than a decade ago with a pile of cards and monitors - can you provide a link to this limit many have managed to exceed which managed to stop you ?
Is it another bit of gnome abandonware or just misunderstanding ? But it would require the user to know that she uses a Nvidia cardHence the splash screen with a big " NVIDIA " on it : ) When I give new users these things I show them how to run it so that they can adjust their gamma or whatever else they want to do.On the other hand the ATI stuff works flawlessly with the gnome tool , but 3D drivers on at least the stuff I have mean that google earth crashes X so I 've got Nvidia on all the desktops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Example 1: 1600x1200 next to 1024x768, Gnome, year:2009.
FailedThat is very similar to the current setup on the home machine that I'm typing this on - stock Fedora11 with the driver from Nvidia and set up via the Nvidia tool in about 3 mouse clicks.Here's how xdpyinfo reports it - notice it's wider than 2048:  screen #0:
  dimensions:    2880x1200 pixels (671x272 millimeters)  I've set up a few triple head machines as well with both edits to the xorg file and the Nvidia tool which now handles simply just about any configuration their cards are capable of.
Also I had multi screen setups wider than 2048 more than five years ago.
People have made video walls in X more than a decade ago with a pile of cards and monitors - can you provide a link to this limit many have managed to exceed which managed to stop you?
Is it another bit of gnome abandonware or just misunderstanding?But it would require the user to know that she uses a Nvidia cardHence the splash screen with a big "NVIDIA" on it :)When I give new users these things I show them how to run it so that they can adjust their gamma or whatever else they want to do.On the other hand the ATI stuff works flawlessly with the gnome tool, but 3D drivers on at least the stuff I have mean that google earth crashes X so I've got Nvidia on all the desktops.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342050</id>
	<title>your choice is Awesome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260095640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using FVWM for years too. Recently I switched to Awesome and I really like it. It's on the same level of configurability like FVWM. And it has very good multiscreen support. The only downside is that you have to learn lua to configure (read program it).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using FVWM for years too .
Recently I switched to Awesome and I really like it .
It 's on the same level of configurability like FVWM .
And it has very good multiscreen support .
The only downside is that you have to learn lua to configure ( read program it ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using FVWM for years too.
Recently I switched to Awesome and I really like it.
It's on the same level of configurability like FVWM.
And it has very good multiscreen support.
The only downside is that you have to learn lua to configure (read program it).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342538</id>
	<title>Working just fine for YEARS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260105060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have switched to linux in 2006 partly because of its multi-monitor support in window managers such as e17 (Enlightenment.org), but in the meantime, things got even better:</p><p>Since we have xrandr 1.2 it is sufficient to just put Virtual 3520 1200 in your xorg.conf (or whatever the combined resolution of your setup will be) and run a simple xrandr command:<br>xrandr --output HDMI-2 --mode 1920x1200 --right-of HDMI-1<br>(You can put it into your<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.xsession to be run automatically after logging in)<br>Of course, you can also set up rotation, cloning, different modes, etc. with xrandr. Also try its --auto option which should automatically select the best resolution.</p><p>Now combine this with a window manager that supports Xinerama. For tiling window managers, my favorite one is i3 (see <a href="http://i3.zekjur.net/" title="zekjur.net" rel="nofollow">http://i3.zekjur.net/</a> [zekjur.net] ), which behaves mostly like wmii but adds some nice features and has proper support for xinerama.</p><p>If you are more into traditional desktop environments (not tiling), try e17 (see <a href="http://www.enlightenment.org/" title="enlightenment.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.enlightenment.org/</a> [enlightenment.org] ). While still not released, it works quite well. There are experimental packages for debian/ubuntu and other distros.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have switched to linux in 2006 partly because of its multi-monitor support in window managers such as e17 ( Enlightenment.org ) , but in the meantime , things got even better : Since we have xrandr 1.2 it is sufficient to just put Virtual 3520 1200 in your xorg.conf ( or whatever the combined resolution of your setup will be ) and run a simple xrandr command : xrandr --output HDMI-2 --mode 1920x1200 --right-of HDMI-1 ( You can put it into your .xsession to be run automatically after logging in ) Of course , you can also set up rotation , cloning , different modes , etc .
with xrandr .
Also try its --auto option which should automatically select the best resolution.Now combine this with a window manager that supports Xinerama .
For tiling window managers , my favorite one is i3 ( see http : //i3.zekjur.net/ [ zekjur.net ] ) , which behaves mostly like wmii but adds some nice features and has proper support for xinerama.If you are more into traditional desktop environments ( not tiling ) , try e17 ( see http : //www.enlightenment.org/ [ enlightenment.org ] ) .
While still not released , it works quite well .
There are experimental packages for debian/ubuntu and other distros .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have switched to linux in 2006 partly because of its multi-monitor support in window managers such as e17 (Enlightenment.org), but in the meantime, things got even better:Since we have xrandr 1.2 it is sufficient to just put Virtual 3520 1200 in your xorg.conf (or whatever the combined resolution of your setup will be) and run a simple xrandr command:xrandr --output HDMI-2 --mode 1920x1200 --right-of HDMI-1(You can put it into your .xsession to be run automatically after logging in)Of course, you can also set up rotation, cloning, different modes, etc.
with xrandr.
Also try its --auto option which should automatically select the best resolution.Now combine this with a window manager that supports Xinerama.
For tiling window managers, my favorite one is i3 (see http://i3.zekjur.net/ [zekjur.net] ), which behaves mostly like wmii but adds some nice features and has proper support for xinerama.If you are more into traditional desktop environments (not tiling), try e17 (see http://www.enlightenment.org/ [enlightenment.org] ).
While still not released, it works quite well.
There are experimental packages for debian/ubuntu and other distros.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341464</id>
	<title>I have found KDE to have the best support</title>
	<author>DeadRat4life</author>
	<datestamp>1260040200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It lets you set a different wall paper for each and really treats them as two monitors. It felt light gnome just treated it as one huge one. I think winblows 7 has a bit better or at least easier support, but KDE has 7 beat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It lets you set a different wall paper for each and really treats them as two monitors .
It felt light gnome just treated it as one huge one .
I think winblows 7 has a bit better or at least easier support , but KDE has 7 beat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It lets you set a different wall paper for each and really treats them as two monitors.
It felt light gnome just treated it as one huge one.
I think winblows 7 has a bit better or at least easier support, but KDE has 7 beat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340732</id>
	<title>Ask Slashdot why They Can't Post Good Questions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260029220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This person obviously has very little experience with Linux and should probably be posting this to something other than the front page of Slashdot.  Can't we get some good questions for once?  How about ask Slashdot becomes solely a forum for questions to be posted for interviews with influential people?  I'm tired of winblows fanboys asking why they can't get Linux to do something it has supported for years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This person obviously has very little experience with Linux and should probably be posting this to something other than the front page of Slashdot .
Ca n't we get some good questions for once ?
How about ask Slashdot becomes solely a forum for questions to be posted for interviews with influential people ?
I 'm tired of winblows fanboys asking why they ca n't get Linux to do something it has supported for years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This person obviously has very little experience with Linux and should probably be posting this to something other than the front page of Slashdot.
Can't we get some good questions for once?
How about ask Slashdot becomes solely a forum for questions to be posted for interviews with influential people?
I'm tired of winblows fanboys asking why they can't get Linux to do something it has supported for years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341386</id>
	<title>Two Video Cards a problem</title>
	<author>systemeng</author>
	<datestamp>1260039000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a sager np5950v laptop with two nvidia quadro FX 2500 cards.  The laptop display is attached to the second card rather than the first one.  Suse's video configuration always tries to put video by default on the first card.  I had to screw with bus ID's and xorg.conf in suse 10.0 and 11.1.  It never detects it correctly.  I also find that every time I do a video driver update I have to copy the old xorg.conf over the one autogenerated by the configuration tools since they don't get it right. I've contributed to parts of the yast2 video stuff before in suse so I can work around the failures but it is annoying and definitely the kind of problem to google for.  It's also annoying that the nvidia drivers don't recognize this configuration for SLI though perhaps they have fixed it since I last update drivers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a sager np5950v laptop with two nvidia quadro FX 2500 cards .
The laptop display is attached to the second card rather than the first one .
Suse 's video configuration always tries to put video by default on the first card .
I had to screw with bus ID 's and xorg.conf in suse 10.0 and 11.1 .
It never detects it correctly .
I also find that every time I do a video driver update I have to copy the old xorg.conf over the one autogenerated by the configuration tools since they do n't get it right .
I 've contributed to parts of the yast2 video stuff before in suse so I can work around the failures but it is annoying and definitely the kind of problem to google for .
It 's also annoying that the nvidia drivers do n't recognize this configuration for SLI though perhaps they have fixed it since I last update drivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a sager np5950v laptop with two nvidia quadro FX 2500 cards.
The laptop display is attached to the second card rather than the first one.
Suse's video configuration always tries to put video by default on the first card.
I had to screw with bus ID's and xorg.conf in suse 10.0 and 11.1.
It never detects it correctly.
I also find that every time I do a video driver update I have to copy the old xorg.conf over the one autogenerated by the configuration tools since they don't get it right.
I've contributed to parts of the yast2 video stuff before in suse so I can work around the failures but it is annoying and definitely the kind of problem to google for.
It's also annoying that the nvidia drivers don't recognize this configuration for SLI though perhaps they have fixed it since I last update drivers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30345002</id>
	<title>Re:Keyboard Shortcut in GNOME</title>
	<author>Aerik</author>
	<datestamp>1260130380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pressing ALT+F7 will change your cursor to the "griping hand" which will then be holding your current window so you can move it.  Shift+direction is supposed to jump the current window to the workspace in your chosen direction.  The ALT+F7 command still works however, the shift+direction does not in in Jaunty 9.04 or evidently 8.10.  You can drag your window to the other screen though.  (That's easier than a four key combo anyway)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pressing ALT + F7 will change your cursor to the " griping hand " which will then be holding your current window so you can move it .
Shift + direction is supposed to jump the current window to the workspace in your chosen direction .
The ALT + F7 command still works however , the shift + direction does not in in Jaunty 9.04 or evidently 8.10 .
You can drag your window to the other screen though .
( That 's easier than a four key combo anyway )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pressing ALT+F7 will change your cursor to the "griping hand" which will then be holding your current window so you can move it.
Shift+direction is supposed to jump the current window to the workspace in your chosen direction.
The ALT+F7 command still works however, the shift+direction does not in in Jaunty 9.04 or evidently 8.10.
You can drag your window to the other screen though.
(That's easier than a four key combo anyway)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340532</id>
	<title>dwm</title>
	<author>zero-point-infinity</author>
	<datestamp>1260026820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://dwm.suckless.org/" title="suckless.org" rel="nofollow">dwm</a> [suckless.org] had its multihead support improved back in July.  Since pretty much all of dwm's window management is by keyboard, of course it has keyboard shortcuts for moving windows between monitors.  So yeah, this feature exists in even one of the most minimalist window managers out there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>dwm [ suckless.org ] had its multihead support improved back in July .
Since pretty much all of dwm 's window management is by keyboard , of course it has keyboard shortcuts for moving windows between monitors .
So yeah , this feature exists in even one of the most minimalist window managers out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dwm [suckless.org] had its multihead support improved back in July.
Since pretty much all of dwm's window management is by keyboard, of course it has keyboard shortcuts for moving windows between monitors.
So yeah, this feature exists in even one of the most minimalist window managers out there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30343068</id>
	<title>Re:What's wrong with dragging windows?</title>
	<author>ZerdZerd</author>
	<datestamp>1260113760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Efficiency maybe? Moving your hand from coding position to mouse/arrow key position hundreds of times a day actually takes a lot of time. Same reason behind most vi commands.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Efficiency maybe ?
Moving your hand from coding position to mouse/arrow key position hundreds of times a day actually takes a lot of time .
Same reason behind most vi commands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Efficiency maybe?
Moving your hand from coding position to mouse/arrow key position hundreds of times a day actually takes a lot of time.
Same reason behind most vi commands.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340412</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30348694</id>
	<title>Re:What's wrong with dragging windows?</title>
	<author>enoz</author>
	<datestamp>1260115200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Parent seems to have missed the point of keyboard <b>shortcut</b>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Parent seems to have missed the point of keyboard shortcut .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Parent seems to have missed the point of keyboard shortcut.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340412</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341580</id>
	<title>Re:Keyboard Shortcut in GNOME</title>
	<author>thetartanavenger</author>
	<datestamp>1260042180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Works perfectly on Ubuntu 9.10, wish I had some mod points! Thanks, I've been looking for this for aaaaages now!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Works perfectly on Ubuntu 9.10 , wish I had some mod points !
Thanks , I 've been looking for this for aaaaages now !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Works perfectly on Ubuntu 9.10, wish I had some mod points!
Thanks, I've been looking for this for aaaaages now!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341526</id>
	<title>I'd say give e17 a shot</title>
	<author>Provocateur</author>
	<datestamp>1260041220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Elive CD, and if your graphics card GPU is nvidia, its friendly enough. It's got keyboard/binding customizability (if thats a cromulant word), more than your fair share, too.  Near-useless keys can do more useful things for you, e.g. I've turned mine into a multimedia keyboard almost. As for swapping windows between workspaces, I simply nail them to a desktop (say Desktop 2 for browsing, Desktop 3 for rss, etc) and two keys side by side that are bound to Switch Desktop Left / Right, so it's more 'Switch to this desktop' instead of swapping contents. And when ecomorph/compiz is on, the cube spins in the correct direction. Devel elive is stable enough for casual everyday use, as long as 'casual' doesn't involve terms like 'breathing apparatus' or 'intensive care'.</p><p>E16 has a beautiful pager that provided HIGH QUALITY snapshots of each desktop, in miniature. I have never seen anything like it. You will never get lost. A slew of themes are in efflux.org iirc, but they look kinda dated.</p><p>Cue the critics. But it's one of those things, you'll love it or hate it after a few minutes. But I hate FisherPrice candy-colored fruity desktop icons and taskbars more than most people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Elive CD , and if your graphics card GPU is nvidia , its friendly enough .
It 's got keyboard/binding customizability ( if thats a cromulant word ) , more than your fair share , too .
Near-useless keys can do more useful things for you , e.g .
I 've turned mine into a multimedia keyboard almost .
As for swapping windows between workspaces , I simply nail them to a desktop ( say Desktop 2 for browsing , Desktop 3 for rss , etc ) and two keys side by side that are bound to Switch Desktop Left / Right , so it 's more 'Switch to this desktop ' instead of swapping contents .
And when ecomorph/compiz is on , the cube spins in the correct direction .
Devel elive is stable enough for casual everyday use , as long as 'casual ' does n't involve terms like 'breathing apparatus ' or 'intensive care'.E16 has a beautiful pager that provided HIGH QUALITY snapshots of each desktop , in miniature .
I have never seen anything like it .
You will never get lost .
A slew of themes are in efflux.org iirc , but they look kinda dated.Cue the critics .
But it 's one of those things , you 'll love it or hate it after a few minutes .
But I hate FisherPrice candy-colored fruity desktop icons and taskbars more than most people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Elive CD, and if your graphics card GPU is nvidia, its friendly enough.
It's got keyboard/binding customizability (if thats a cromulant word), more than your fair share, too.
Near-useless keys can do more useful things for you, e.g.
I've turned mine into a multimedia keyboard almost.
As for swapping windows between workspaces, I simply nail them to a desktop (say Desktop 2 for browsing, Desktop 3 for rss, etc) and two keys side by side that are bound to Switch Desktop Left / Right, so it's more 'Switch to this desktop' instead of swapping contents.
And when ecomorph/compiz is on, the cube spins in the correct direction.
Devel elive is stable enough for casual everyday use, as long as 'casual' doesn't involve terms like 'breathing apparatus' or 'intensive care'.E16 has a beautiful pager that provided HIGH QUALITY snapshots of each desktop, in miniature.
I have never seen anything like it.
You will never get lost.
A slew of themes are in efflux.org iirc, but they look kinda dated.Cue the critics.
But it's one of those things, you'll love it or hate it after a few minutes.
But I hate FisherPrice candy-colored fruity desktop icons and taskbars more than most people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341012</id>
	<title>Re:Power Tools</title>
	<author>larry bagina</author>
	<datestamp>1260033120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't want to hear about your masturbation plans!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want to hear about your masturbation plans !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want to hear about your masturbation plans!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340466</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341736</id>
	<title>Re:Partially correct, he is</title>
	<author>MostAwesomeDude</author>
	<datestamp>1260132120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) You had an i915, or maybe an r200. Lots of turn-of-the-millennium chipsets couldn't deal with total framebuffers larger than 2048x2048.</p><p>2) NOTOURBUG. Blame KDE. Or blame us for not shoving the xrandr manual down their throats; whichever.</p><p>3) fglrx and nvidia are *not* our fault or our problem. Go bitch at nVidia for a while instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) You had an i915 , or maybe an r200 .
Lots of turn-of-the-millennium chipsets could n't deal with total framebuffers larger than 2048x2048.2 ) NOTOURBUG .
Blame KDE .
Or blame us for not shoving the xrandr manual down their throats ; whichever.3 ) fglrx and nvidia are * not * our fault or our problem .
Go bitch at nVidia for a while instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) You had an i915, or maybe an r200.
Lots of turn-of-the-millennium chipsets couldn't deal with total framebuffers larger than 2048x2048.2) NOTOURBUG.
Blame KDE.
Or blame us for not shoving the xrandr manual down their throats; whichever.3) fglrx and nvidia are *not* our fault or our problem.
Go bitch at nVidia for a while instead.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342602</id>
	<title>Re:Another Question</title>
	<author>ogl\_codemonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1260106320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>especially with the Shortscreen Monitor Proliferation we've seen in the past decade.</p></div><p>FTFY</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>especially with the Shortscreen Monitor Proliferation we 've seen in the past decade.FTFY</tokentext>
<sentencetext>especially with the Shortscreen Monitor Proliferation we've seen in the past decade.FTFY
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340660</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340624</id>
	<title>I hope you're not a troll</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260027900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>FVWM is a windows manager that has been around with few major functional changes for several decades.  It's a solid windows manager that is very good at what it does; managing your workspaces and placing the right windows in the right place, directing input to the correct application, etc.  In addition it is highly streamlined, with not a lot of excess bells and windows, which makes it highly valuable in a low and limited resource environments.  Gnome and KDE are much fatter tool sets providing many of the bells and whistles you seem to crave.  In addition FVWM can be used in conjunction with individual tools from these tools sets.

Try out Gnome or KDE, either instaed of or along side FVWM and see what you get.</htmltext>
<tokenext>FVWM is a windows manager that has been around with few major functional changes for several decades .
It 's a solid windows manager that is very good at what it does ; managing your workspaces and placing the right windows in the right place , directing input to the correct application , etc .
In addition it is highly streamlined , with not a lot of excess bells and windows , which makes it highly valuable in a low and limited resource environments .
Gnome and KDE are much fatter tool sets providing many of the bells and whistles you seem to crave .
In addition FVWM can be used in conjunction with individual tools from these tools sets .
Try out Gnome or KDE , either instaed of or along side FVWM and see what you get .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FVWM is a windows manager that has been around with few major functional changes for several decades.
It's a solid windows manager that is very good at what it does; managing your workspaces and placing the right windows in the right place, directing input to the correct application, etc.
In addition it is highly streamlined, with not a lot of excess bells and windows, which makes it highly valuable in a low and limited resource environments.
Gnome and KDE are much fatter tool sets providing many of the bells and whistles you seem to crave.
In addition FVWM can be used in conjunction with individual tools from these tools sets.
Try out Gnome or KDE, either instaed of or along side FVWM and see what you get.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30343652</id>
	<title>Re:Another Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260120180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Compiz/composite does not work if you use multiple cards because it does not work with xinerama which is the only option to combine multiple cards into one big desktop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Compiz/composite does not work if you use multiple cards because it does not work with xinerama which is the only option to combine multiple cards into one big desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Compiz/composite does not work if you use multiple cards because it does not work with xinerama which is the only option to combine multiple cards into one big desktop.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340396</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341328</id>
	<title>Re:The whole point of OSS</title>
	<author>martin-boundary</author>
	<datestamp>1260037980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I for one like to use FVWM because it's actually very configurable.
<p>
I hate icons, window decorations and
the usual way of interacting with the mouse, so my fvwm config file removes all decorations, hides windows
instead of iconizing them, and reprograms the mouse buttons to do specific things. For example, clicking twice
with the 4th button hides the window, but click-dragging moves it. This works anywhere within the area of the target window, so I don't have to go nuts trying to hit the exact two pixels of the window border.
The 5th button is for resizing or
killing. Fitts' law on steroids, if you like.
If I click on the root window, I get a list of all the current hidden windows, wm2 style. This is all done
directly with FVWM, and I used to experiment with other convenience algorithms, like auto-hiding windows with a timer,
if they haven't been focused for a few minutes, etc.
</p><p>
I'm not saying other WMs can't do some of these things, but FVWM does all of them, and this level of programmable configuration in the basic package is what attracts a lot of people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one like to use FVWM because it 's actually very configurable .
I hate icons , window decorations and the usual way of interacting with the mouse , so my fvwm config file removes all decorations , hides windows instead of iconizing them , and reprograms the mouse buttons to do specific things .
For example , clicking twice with the 4th button hides the window , but click-dragging moves it .
This works anywhere within the area of the target window , so I do n't have to go nuts trying to hit the exact two pixels of the window border .
The 5th button is for resizing or killing .
Fitts ' law on steroids , if you like .
If I click on the root window , I get a list of all the current hidden windows , wm2 style .
This is all done directly with FVWM , and I used to experiment with other convenience algorithms , like auto-hiding windows with a timer , if they have n't been focused for a few minutes , etc .
I 'm not saying other WMs ca n't do some of these things , but FVWM does all of them , and this level of programmable configuration in the basic package is what attracts a lot of people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one like to use FVWM because it's actually very configurable.
I hate icons, window decorations and
the usual way of interacting with the mouse, so my fvwm config file removes all decorations, hides windows
instead of iconizing them, and reprograms the mouse buttons to do specific things.
For example, clicking twice
with the 4th button hides the window, but click-dragging moves it.
This works anywhere within the area of the target window, so I don't have to go nuts trying to hit the exact two pixels of the window border.
The 5th button is for resizing or
killing.
Fitts' law on steroids, if you like.
If I click on the root window, I get a list of all the current hidden windows, wm2 style.
This is all done
directly with FVWM, and I used to experiment with other convenience algorithms, like auto-hiding windows with a timer,
if they haven't been focused for a few minutes, etc.
I'm not saying other WMs can't do some of these things, but FVWM does all of them, and this level of programmable configuration in the basic package is what attracts a lot of people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340510</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342560</id>
	<title>Re:Multiple desktops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260105720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No you could not. Each workspace uses ALL monitors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No you could not .
Each workspace uses ALL monitors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No you could not.
Each workspace uses ALL monitors.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340444</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341142</id>
	<title>xmonad manages multiple screens rather nicely</title>
	<author>nikki93</author>
	<datestamp>1260035160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>'xmonad' is a tiling window manager that I found handles multiple screens nicely. Moving windows between monitors etc. are just the basic features.</htmltext>
<tokenext>'xmonad ' is a tiling window manager that I found handles multiple screens nicely .
Moving windows between monitors etc .
are just the basic features .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'xmonad' is a tiling window manager that I found handles multiple screens nicely.
Moving windows between monitors etc.
are just the basic features.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30345966</id>
	<title>Re:You can configure KDE to use the keyboard</title>
	<author>Randle\_Revar</author>
	<datestamp>1260095100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Awesome WM also handles multiple monitors well via the keyboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Awesome WM also handles multiple monitors well via the keyboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Awesome WM also handles multiple monitors well via the keyboard.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340402</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342396</id>
	<title>wtf?</title>
	<author>MrKaos</author>
	<datestamp>1260102120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux since fedora 1, 2 screens always. First using matrox cards now I use Nvidia cards and ATI in the laptop. Nowadays I just use the Nvidia drivers in the Ubuntu restriced repo because it's basically so easy. Once compiz is going and avant is installed the linux desktop is pretty damn...pretty.</p><p>
I don't understand what this guys problem is?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux since fedora 1 , 2 screens always .
First using matrox cards now I use Nvidia cards and ATI in the laptop .
Nowadays I just use the Nvidia drivers in the Ubuntu restriced repo because it 's basically so easy .
Once compiz is going and avant is installed the linux desktop is pretty damn...pretty .
I do n't understand what this guys problem is ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux since fedora 1, 2 screens always.
First using matrox cards now I use Nvidia cards and ATI in the laptop.
Nowadays I just use the Nvidia drivers in the Ubuntu restriced repo because it's basically so easy.
Once compiz is going and avant is installed the linux desktop is pretty damn...pretty.
I don't understand what this guys problem is?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342328</id>
	<title>It Works</title>
	<author>OverflowingBitBucket</author>
	<datestamp>1260100620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm using a pair of triple- and quad-head PCs as we speak. Linux on both: CentOS 5.3 on one, Ubuntu 9.10 on the other. One ran OpenSuSE 10.2 previously. Two cheap dual-head nVidia cards, their binary drivers. Started with the xorg.conf generated from the nVidia tool. Spent several hours the first time trying to get it going years back, but nowadays just spend about 15 minutes setting it up upon install. Works as one large screen in each case. As such, I just drag things around on the (big) desktop to change displays. The doco supplied with the nVidia drivers is reasonably good and all I really used. Runs 3D stuff fine on each. One is KDE, the other GNOME. Both environments seem to have an awareness of the physical displays as well- if I hit maximise, it'll fill the current monitor. I'm not sure that the Linux ecosystem is really lacking such things.</p><p>I'm not 100\% sure which features are apparently lacking? Is it just keyboard shortcuts to move a window from one physical screen to another? That'd certainly be useful, though I can already do this with a mouse. I know that the keyboard shortcut list is lacking in GNOME, and more options in KDE couldn't hurt either. Perhaps that's what it's about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using a pair of triple- and quad-head PCs as we speak .
Linux on both : CentOS 5.3 on one , Ubuntu 9.10 on the other .
One ran OpenSuSE 10.2 previously .
Two cheap dual-head nVidia cards , their binary drivers .
Started with the xorg.conf generated from the nVidia tool .
Spent several hours the first time trying to get it going years back , but nowadays just spend about 15 minutes setting it up upon install .
Works as one large screen in each case .
As such , I just drag things around on the ( big ) desktop to change displays .
The doco supplied with the nVidia drivers is reasonably good and all I really used .
Runs 3D stuff fine on each .
One is KDE , the other GNOME .
Both environments seem to have an awareness of the physical displays as well- if I hit maximise , it 'll fill the current monitor .
I 'm not sure that the Linux ecosystem is really lacking such things.I 'm not 100 \ % sure which features are apparently lacking ?
Is it just keyboard shortcuts to move a window from one physical screen to another ?
That 'd certainly be useful , though I can already do this with a mouse .
I know that the keyboard shortcut list is lacking in GNOME , and more options in KDE could n't hurt either .
Perhaps that 's what it 's about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using a pair of triple- and quad-head PCs as we speak.
Linux on both: CentOS 5.3 on one, Ubuntu 9.10 on the other.
One ran OpenSuSE 10.2 previously.
Two cheap dual-head nVidia cards, their binary drivers.
Started with the xorg.conf generated from the nVidia tool.
Spent several hours the first time trying to get it going years back, but nowadays just spend about 15 minutes setting it up upon install.
Works as one large screen in each case.
As such, I just drag things around on the (big) desktop to change displays.
The doco supplied with the nVidia drivers is reasonably good and all I really used.
Runs 3D stuff fine on each.
One is KDE, the other GNOME.
Both environments seem to have an awareness of the physical displays as well- if I hit maximise, it'll fill the current monitor.
I'm not sure that the Linux ecosystem is really lacking such things.I'm not 100\% sure which features are apparently lacking?
Is it just keyboard shortcuts to move a window from one physical screen to another?
That'd certainly be useful, though I can already do this with a mouse.
I know that the keyboard shortcut list is lacking in GNOME, and more options in KDE couldn't hurt either.
Perhaps that's what it's about.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30351302</id>
	<title>Re:What about the text console?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260189780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yeah, you can do this through serial for example (if console is the only thing you care about, it's good enough).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah , you can do this through serial for example ( if console is the only thing you care about , it 's good enough ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah, you can do this through serial for example (if console is the only thing you care about, it's good enough).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341644</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341132</id>
	<title>Re:Another Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260034920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Compiz? On KDE4? KDE4 has it's own compositing window manager, it does not use Compiz.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Compiz ?
On KDE4 ?
KDE4 has it 's own compositing window manager , it does not use Compiz .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Compiz?
On KDE4?
KDE4 has it's own compositing window manager, it does not use Compiz.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340396</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341254</id>
	<title>Multiple Display Linux in general</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260036840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forget something as nice as quick way to switch windows across screens.<br>Try a multi-screen setup in Linux with 2 seperate single-head cards, especially if they're neither ATI/NVidia.<br>All but dual-head setups have been 'WontFix' regressions for the last few years.<br>Unless you want to give up more modern enhancements, you're stuck downgrading...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget something as nice as quick way to switch windows across screens.Try a multi-screen setup in Linux with 2 seperate single-head cards , especially if they 're neither ATI/NVidia.All but dual-head setups have been 'WontFix ' regressions for the last few years.Unless you want to give up more modern enhancements , you 're stuck downgrading.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget something as nice as quick way to switch windows across screens.Try a multi-screen setup in Linux with 2 seperate single-head cards, especially if they're neither ATI/NVidia.All but dual-head setups have been 'WontFix' regressions for the last few years.Unless you want to give up more modern enhancements, you're stuck downgrading...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340812</id>
	<title>No, but if i were to dream...</title>
	<author>suomynonAyletamitlU</author>
	<datestamp>1260030420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This started tickling my mind since I started using my laptops as multi-monitor devices.  I haven't done as much looking around as I should, but I've come to the conclusion that not a single OS I've seen was designed or redesigned with multiple monitors in mind.</p><p>As an exercise and as a pie-in-the-sky dream I've been trying to work out what dedicated multi-monitor support would look like.  I can't work on it because I've been depressed and having trouble concentrating lately, but this is a summation:</p><p>There is a fundamental unit of screen space which is treated as a single desktop; you can have more than one of them across your desktops, and you switch between them with modifier keys and the mouse.  If you have multiple input sources, you can bind them to either follow the mouse, or lock them to a desktop or monitor.  Monitors always stay at maximum resolution (Yes, FUCK YOU, time-it-takes-to-reset-monitors) even if a desktop changes resolution or switches to "fullscreen application" status, because the optimization isn't done on the video output, but on each desktop's framebuffer, and those framebuffers are combined into the display after the fact.  (I assume modern video cards aren't set up this way, but a guy can dream.)  Naturally, because the desktop framebuffers are simply blitted to the main framebuffer, you can reorganize them as you like, as long as you don't change their dimensions.</p><p>What this means is that screen real estate is actually paid attention to by the OS rather than the window manager saying "Oh hey look another monitor.  *glitch glitch glitch* Okay now you can use it."  It also fits in with other ideas I have (modular computing, etc) in ways that would make sense if you heard both sides of it, but I don't intend to get into detail about.</p><p>I anticipate people coming up with reasons why this will never be made, but that's not really the point; I just dream of the future.  It's entirely doable, it's just not likely to catch on, especially since nobody knows the details but me, and I'm pretty unreliable about these sorts of things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This started tickling my mind since I started using my laptops as multi-monitor devices .
I have n't done as much looking around as I should , but I 've come to the conclusion that not a single OS I 've seen was designed or redesigned with multiple monitors in mind.As an exercise and as a pie-in-the-sky dream I 've been trying to work out what dedicated multi-monitor support would look like .
I ca n't work on it because I 've been depressed and having trouble concentrating lately , but this is a summation : There is a fundamental unit of screen space which is treated as a single desktop ; you can have more than one of them across your desktops , and you switch between them with modifier keys and the mouse .
If you have multiple input sources , you can bind them to either follow the mouse , or lock them to a desktop or monitor .
Monitors always stay at maximum resolution ( Yes , FUCK YOU , time-it-takes-to-reset-monitors ) even if a desktop changes resolution or switches to " fullscreen application " status , because the optimization is n't done on the video output , but on each desktop 's framebuffer , and those framebuffers are combined into the display after the fact .
( I assume modern video cards are n't set up this way , but a guy can dream .
) Naturally , because the desktop framebuffers are simply blitted to the main framebuffer , you can reorganize them as you like , as long as you do n't change their dimensions.What this means is that screen real estate is actually paid attention to by the OS rather than the window manager saying " Oh hey look another monitor .
* glitch glitch glitch * Okay now you can use it .
" It also fits in with other ideas I have ( modular computing , etc ) in ways that would make sense if you heard both sides of it , but I do n't intend to get into detail about.I anticipate people coming up with reasons why this will never be made , but that 's not really the point ; I just dream of the future .
It 's entirely doable , it 's just not likely to catch on , especially since nobody knows the details but me , and I 'm pretty unreliable about these sorts of things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This started tickling my mind since I started using my laptops as multi-monitor devices.
I haven't done as much looking around as I should, but I've come to the conclusion that not a single OS I've seen was designed or redesigned with multiple monitors in mind.As an exercise and as a pie-in-the-sky dream I've been trying to work out what dedicated multi-monitor support would look like.
I can't work on it because I've been depressed and having trouble concentrating lately, but this is a summation:There is a fundamental unit of screen space which is treated as a single desktop; you can have more than one of them across your desktops, and you switch between them with modifier keys and the mouse.
If you have multiple input sources, you can bind them to either follow the mouse, or lock them to a desktop or monitor.
Monitors always stay at maximum resolution (Yes, FUCK YOU, time-it-takes-to-reset-monitors) even if a desktop changes resolution or switches to "fullscreen application" status, because the optimization isn't done on the video output, but on each desktop's framebuffer, and those framebuffers are combined into the display after the fact.
(I assume modern video cards aren't set up this way, but a guy can dream.
)  Naturally, because the desktop framebuffers are simply blitted to the main framebuffer, you can reorganize them as you like, as long as you don't change their dimensions.What this means is that screen real estate is actually paid attention to by the OS rather than the window manager saying "Oh hey look another monitor.
*glitch glitch glitch* Okay now you can use it.
"  It also fits in with other ideas I have (modular computing, etc) in ways that would make sense if you heard both sides of it, but I don't intend to get into detail about.I anticipate people coming up with reasons why this will never be made, but that's not really the point; I just dream of the future.
It's entirely doable, it's just not likely to catch on, especially since nobody knows the details but me, and I'm pretty unreliable about these sorts of things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342798</id>
	<title>how to do it in KDE</title>
	<author>brezel</author>
	<datestamp>1260109980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>systemsettings -&gt; keyboard &amp; mouse -&gt; global keyboard shortcuts -&gt; select kwin<br>there you can bind whatever shortcuts you want to "Window to screen X".</p><p>i don't know about fwm but if you want advanced features you should prolly user a more advanced wm<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:&gt;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>systemsettings - &gt; keyboard &amp; mouse - &gt; global keyboard shortcuts - &gt; select kwinthere you can bind whatever shortcuts you want to " Window to screen X " .i do n't know about fwm but if you want advanced features you should prolly user a more advanced wm : &gt;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>systemsettings -&gt; keyboard &amp; mouse -&gt; global keyboard shortcuts -&gt; select kwinthere you can bind whatever shortcuts you want to "Window to screen X".i don't know about fwm but if you want advanced features you should prolly user a more advanced wm :&gt;</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340554</id>
	<title>Re:Power Tools</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260027180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many miter saws already have LCD displays to display angles and stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many miter saws already have LCD displays to display angles and stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many miter saws already have LCD displays to display angles and stuff.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340466</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341566</id>
	<title>Composite?</title>
	<author>jda104</author>
	<datestamp>1260041940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been waiting for years for someone to get Compositing working on &gt;2 monitors. Unfortunately, all of the solutions mentioned involving Compiz are off-limits to anyone with more than two monitors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been waiting for years for someone to get Compositing working on &gt; 2 monitors .
Unfortunately , all of the solutions mentioned involving Compiz are off-limits to anyone with more than two monitors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been waiting for years for someone to get Compositing working on &gt;2 monitors.
Unfortunately, all of the solutions mentioned involving Compiz are off-limits to anyone with more than two monitors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341090</id>
	<title>Is this a joke?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260034380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I must not be understanding the problem correctly. So help me out please. Is your set up
a) 1 desktop stretched over 3 monitors? Yes?
b) You want to move be able to movie, say Firefox, or a xterm, etc. from say monitor 1 to monitor 3 using keyboard shortcuts?
c) You think a Linux desktop environment can't handle this currently?

</p><p>
If this is the correct setup you have, then you must not be a KDE user. This is trivial with KDE.
</p><ol>
<li> alt-tab until the app you want to move has focused.</li>
<li> Hit the Alt+Fkey to maximize the app you want to move until it's no longer fullsize in monitor 1. In my case, I've set up Alt-F6 to maximize/unmaximize a window.</li>
<li> Hit the Alt-Fkey to move the window to the right until it's in monitor 3. In my case, it's alt-f4 to move to the right, alt-f3 to move to the left.</li>
<li> Hit the Alt-Fkey to maximize the app until it's full screen on monitor 3.</li>
</ol><p>
Setting the keybindings is trivial in KDE:
KDE menu -&gt;  Computer -&gt; System Settings -&gt; Keyboard &amp; Mouse -&gt; Global Keyboard Settings -&gt; Select Kwin application -&gt; Select Pack windows to the right -&gt; custom -&gt; Click on wrench -&gt; type shortcut. Ditto on Select Pack windows to the left.

</p><p>
I can't tell if you're trying to troll or you're like one of the "Great Old Ones" from H.P. Lovecraft's mythos who's just awakened from your deep slumber in some forgotten forbidding city up in the mountains. FVWM?!?!?! That's like 1994?!?! Not even FVWM95?!?! I had to double check my debian box to see if you could still get fvwm installed on a system.
</p><p>
I mean no disrespect if you're not trolling. I'm just shocked that someone would still be using *and* preferring fvwm in 2009 when I thought the last fvwm user went extinct in 1999 with the arrival of KDE and Gnome on the scene in 1998.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I must not be understanding the problem correctly .
So help me out please .
Is your set up a ) 1 desktop stretched over 3 monitors ?
Yes ? b ) You want to move be able to movie , say Firefox , or a xterm , etc .
from say monitor 1 to monitor 3 using keyboard shortcuts ?
c ) You think a Linux desktop environment ca n't handle this currently ?
If this is the correct setup you have , then you must not be a KDE user .
This is trivial with KDE .
alt-tab until the app you want to move has focused .
Hit the Alt + Fkey to maximize the app you want to move until it 's no longer fullsize in monitor 1 .
In my case , I 've set up Alt-F6 to maximize/unmaximize a window .
Hit the Alt-Fkey to move the window to the right until it 's in monitor 3 .
In my case , it 's alt-f4 to move to the right , alt-f3 to move to the left .
Hit the Alt-Fkey to maximize the app until it 's full screen on monitor 3 .
Setting the keybindings is trivial in KDE : KDE menu - &gt; Computer - &gt; System Settings - &gt; Keyboard &amp; Mouse - &gt; Global Keyboard Settings - &gt; Select Kwin application - &gt; Select Pack windows to the right - &gt; custom - &gt; Click on wrench - &gt; type shortcut .
Ditto on Select Pack windows to the left .
I ca n't tell if you 're trying to troll or you 're like one of the " Great Old Ones " from H.P .
Lovecraft 's mythos who 's just awakened from your deep slumber in some forgotten forbidding city up in the mountains .
FVWM ? ! ? ! ? ! That 's like 1994 ? ! ? !
Not even FVWM95 ? ! ? !
I had to double check my debian box to see if you could still get fvwm installed on a system .
I mean no disrespect if you 're not trolling .
I 'm just shocked that someone would still be using * and * preferring fvwm in 2009 when I thought the last fvwm user went extinct in 1999 with the arrival of KDE and Gnome on the scene in 1998 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I must not be understanding the problem correctly.
So help me out please.
Is your set up
a) 1 desktop stretched over 3 monitors?
Yes?
b) You want to move be able to movie, say Firefox, or a xterm, etc.
from say monitor 1 to monitor 3 using keyboard shortcuts?
c) You think a Linux desktop environment can't handle this currently?
If this is the correct setup you have, then you must not be a KDE user.
This is trivial with KDE.
alt-tab until the app you want to move has focused.
Hit the Alt+Fkey to maximize the app you want to move until it's no longer fullsize in monitor 1.
In my case, I've set up Alt-F6 to maximize/unmaximize a window.
Hit the Alt-Fkey to move the window to the right until it's in monitor 3.
In my case, it's alt-f4 to move to the right, alt-f3 to move to the left.
Hit the Alt-Fkey to maximize the app until it's full screen on monitor 3.
Setting the keybindings is trivial in KDE:
KDE menu -&gt;  Computer -&gt; System Settings -&gt; Keyboard &amp; Mouse -&gt; Global Keyboard Settings -&gt; Select Kwin application -&gt; Select Pack windows to the right -&gt; custom -&gt; Click on wrench -&gt; type shortcut.
Ditto on Select Pack windows to the left.
I can't tell if you're trying to troll or you're like one of the "Great Old Ones" from H.P.
Lovecraft's mythos who's just awakened from your deep slumber in some forgotten forbidding city up in the mountains.
FVWM?!?!?! That's like 1994?!?!
Not even FVWM95?!?!
I had to double check my debian box to see if you could still get fvwm installed on a system.
I mean no disrespect if you're not trolling.
I'm just shocked that someone would still be using *and* preferring fvwm in 2009 when I thought the last fvwm user went extinct in 1999 with the arrival of KDE and Gnome on the scene in 1998.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342476</id>
	<title>Re:Another Question</title>
	<author>mugginz</author>
	<datestamp>1260103680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, with and ATI Eyefinity card you shouldn't be hit with the no composite extension with Xinerama issue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , with and ATI Eyefinity card you should n't be hit with the no composite extension with Xinerama issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, with and ATI Eyefinity card you shouldn't be hit with the no composite extension with Xinerama issue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341150</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342288</id>
	<title>Re:Partially correct, he is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260099960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Let's not pretend there was no problem with multiple monitors at times.</p><p>Example 1: 1600x1200 next to 1024x768, Gnome, year:2009. Failed. Took me a few hours until I found a filed bug, that Xorg would not accept a higher resolution of the virtual desktop than 2048x2048. Placing 1600x1200 above 1024x768 finally worked; based on Gnome's GUI. Still not good.</p><p>Example 2: Playing with KDE (4.3.2-4), that same thing doesn't. The desktop configuration applet (Computer Administration-&gt;Display) simply doesn't allow to un-mirror the two screens; contrary to the 'Display' applet in Gnome. Another need to resort to Google, and a forum. Solution: I need to issue a number of xrandr commands to split the two displays to show separate content. Not good.</p><p>Example 3: Having another box with Nvidia-card with TV out. The same KDE (4.3.2-4) applet simply is not aware of the TV output. It shows one standard display, the LCD monitor. Over. Of course, the Nvidia-applet works fine, doing anything with the TV of my liking. But it would require the user to <b>know</b> that she uses a Nvidia card, and that there is another applet that she needs to use. Not good.</p><p>The problem, AFAIK, is not that on Linux one couldn't; but one can't, once too often, not simply out of the box.</p></div><p>May I know if Windows will work out of the box for all 3 cases above?</p><p>Anyone?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's not pretend there was no problem with multiple monitors at times.Example 1 : 1600x1200 next to 1024x768 , Gnome , year : 2009 .
Failed. Took me a few hours until I found a filed bug , that Xorg would not accept a higher resolution of the virtual desktop than 2048x2048 .
Placing 1600x1200 above 1024x768 finally worked ; based on Gnome 's GUI .
Still not good.Example 2 : Playing with KDE ( 4.3.2-4 ) , that same thing does n't .
The desktop configuration applet ( Computer Administration- &gt; Display ) simply does n't allow to un-mirror the two screens ; contrary to the 'Display ' applet in Gnome .
Another need to resort to Google , and a forum .
Solution : I need to issue a number of xrandr commands to split the two displays to show separate content .
Not good.Example 3 : Having another box with Nvidia-card with TV out .
The same KDE ( 4.3.2-4 ) applet simply is not aware of the TV output .
It shows one standard display , the LCD monitor .
Over. Of course , the Nvidia-applet works fine , doing anything with the TV of my liking .
But it would require the user to know that she uses a Nvidia card , and that there is another applet that she needs to use .
Not good.The problem , AFAIK , is not that on Linux one could n't ; but one ca n't , once too often , not simply out of the box.May I know if Windows will work out of the box for all 3 cases above ? Anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's not pretend there was no problem with multiple monitors at times.Example 1: 1600x1200 next to 1024x768, Gnome, year:2009.
Failed. Took me a few hours until I found a filed bug, that Xorg would not accept a higher resolution of the virtual desktop than 2048x2048.
Placing 1600x1200 above 1024x768 finally worked; based on Gnome's GUI.
Still not good.Example 2: Playing with KDE (4.3.2-4), that same thing doesn't.
The desktop configuration applet (Computer Administration-&gt;Display) simply doesn't allow to un-mirror the two screens; contrary to the 'Display' applet in Gnome.
Another need to resort to Google, and a forum.
Solution: I need to issue a number of xrandr commands to split the two displays to show separate content.
Not good.Example 3: Having another box with Nvidia-card with TV out.
The same KDE (4.3.2-4) applet simply is not aware of the TV output.
It shows one standard display, the LCD monitor.
Over. Of course, the Nvidia-applet works fine, doing anything with the TV of my liking.
But it would require the user to know that she uses a Nvidia card, and that there is another applet that she needs to use.
Not good.The problem, AFAIK, is not that on Linux one couldn't; but one can't, once too often, not simply out of the box.May I know if Windows will work out of the box for all 3 cases above?Anyone?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340710</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30351010</id>
	<title>Re:Another Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260185460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You heard right, you cant use compiz across multiple cards.<br>You have to use xinerama for that which breaks composite (compiz)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You heard right , you cant use compiz across multiple cards.You have to use xinerama for that which breaks composite ( compiz )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You heard right, you cant use compiz across multiple cards.You have to use xinerama for that which breaks composite (compiz)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340396</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340642</id>
	<title>enlightenment 17</title>
	<author>characterZer0</author>
	<datestamp>1260028080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>e17 handles it rather brilliantly.</p><p>Each screen gets its own set of virtual desktops, and you can drag windows from one screen to another, or set up keyboard shortcuts to do it.</p><p>I set up 2 screens side by side, each with a set of virtual desktops that I can switch between by moving the mouse to the right and left edges. If I move the mouse to the bottom edge of the right screen it shows up at the top of the left screen. It takes only a few minutes to get used to.</p><p>Of course, you could give up the virtual desktop scrolling and have the more intuitive setup of the mouse hitting the left edge of the right screen and going to the right edge of the left screen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>e17 handles it rather brilliantly.Each screen gets its own set of virtual desktops , and you can drag windows from one screen to another , or set up keyboard shortcuts to do it.I set up 2 screens side by side , each with a set of virtual desktops that I can switch between by moving the mouse to the right and left edges .
If I move the mouse to the bottom edge of the right screen it shows up at the top of the left screen .
It takes only a few minutes to get used to.Of course , you could give up the virtual desktop scrolling and have the more intuitive setup of the mouse hitting the left edge of the right screen and going to the right edge of the left screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>e17 handles it rather brilliantly.Each screen gets its own set of virtual desktops, and you can drag windows from one screen to another, or set up keyboard shortcuts to do it.I set up 2 screens side by side, each with a set of virtual desktops that I can switch between by moving the mouse to the right and left edges.
If I move the mouse to the bottom edge of the right screen it shows up at the top of the left screen.
It takes only a few minutes to get used to.Of course, you could give up the virtual desktop scrolling and have the more intuitive setup of the mouse hitting the left edge of the right screen and going to the right edge of the left screen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341734</id>
	<title>Re:Tiling Window Managers</title>
	<author>chammy</author>
	<datestamp>1260132120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>xmonad is <i>perfect</i> for multi-head. There are default keybinds to move the active window to one of three screens (alt-E, etc) and if you need more you can just add a few more binds. We use xmonad at work on the dual screen workstations and it's great!</htmltext>
<tokenext>xmonad is perfect for multi-head .
There are default keybinds to move the active window to one of three screens ( alt-E , etc ) and if you need more you can just add a few more binds .
We use xmonad at work on the dual screen workstations and it 's great !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>xmonad is perfect for multi-head.
There are default keybinds to move the active window to one of three screens (alt-E, etc) and if you need more you can just add a few more binds.
We use xmonad at work on the dual screen workstations and it's great!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340450</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340950</id>
	<title>Re:Multiple desktops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260032220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can do that, the catch is that by running the second X Server you can't actually move your windows between monitors. The bright side though is that you can switch the left or the right monitor to a different virtual screen. If anybody has any ideas, I'm somewhat surprised that there isn't an equivalent that lets you switch only one monitor portion of the screen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can do that , the catch is that by running the second X Server you ca n't actually move your windows between monitors .
The bright side though is that you can switch the left or the right monitor to a different virtual screen .
If anybody has any ideas , I 'm somewhat surprised that there is n't an equivalent that lets you switch only one monitor portion of the screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can do that, the catch is that by running the second X Server you can't actually move your windows between monitors.
The bright side though is that you can switch the left or the right monitor to a different virtual screen.
If anybody has any ideas, I'm somewhat surprised that there isn't an equivalent that lets you switch only one monitor portion of the screen.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340444</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342404</id>
	<title>How to do it in FVWM</title>
	<author>serviscope\_minor</author>
	<datestamp>1260102240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stuck of FVWM? STUCK??? FVWM has excellent support for multiple monitors. You just need to know how.</p><p>Firstly, FVWM has extended the stnadard X11 position/size spec (width*height+left+right) with an additional marker to indicate the particular screen. Eg: wxh+l+r@X, where X is g for the global screen, p for the primary and so on.</p><p>If you want to bind keys to shuffle windows around over multiple monitors you can do something like:</p><p>Key F1 A C AnimatedMove 0 0</p><p>eg if F1 is presses in Any region with the Control modifier, move the current window to 0,0.</p><p>There's als MoveToScreen which can be used to move windows to another screen, etc.</p><p>There's settings for resistance for dragging the windows over the edge of screens, preventing overlap over the edge of the screen and so on.</p><p>Seriously, they "man fvwm" from an xterm and search for Xinerama. There are hundreds of options.</p><p>Finally, if all else fails, and you wish to do some really strange maniuplations, then you can write an FVWM module in a variety of languages to suit your taste.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stuck of FVWM ?
STUCK ? ? ? FVWM has excellent support for multiple monitors .
You just need to know how.Firstly , FVWM has extended the stnadard X11 position/size spec ( width * height + left + right ) with an additional marker to indicate the particular screen .
Eg : wxh + l + r @ X , where X is g for the global screen , p for the primary and so on.If you want to bind keys to shuffle windows around over multiple monitors you can do something like : Key F1 A C AnimatedMove 0 0eg if F1 is presses in Any region with the Control modifier , move the current window to 0,0.There 's als MoveToScreen which can be used to move windows to another screen , etc.There 's settings for resistance for dragging the windows over the edge of screens , preventing overlap over the edge of the screen and so on.Seriously , they " man fvwm " from an xterm and search for Xinerama .
There are hundreds of options.Finally , if all else fails , and you wish to do some really strange maniuplations , then you can write an FVWM module in a variety of languages to suit your taste .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stuck of FVWM?
STUCK??? FVWM has excellent support for multiple monitors.
You just need to know how.Firstly, FVWM has extended the stnadard X11 position/size spec (width*height+left+right) with an additional marker to indicate the particular screen.
Eg: wxh+l+r@X, where X is g for the global screen, p for the primary and so on.If you want to bind keys to shuffle windows around over multiple monitors you can do something like:Key F1 A C AnimatedMove 0 0eg if F1 is presses in Any region with the Control modifier, move the current window to 0,0.There's als MoveToScreen which can be used to move windows to another screen, etc.There's settings for resistance for dragging the windows over the edge of screens, preventing overlap over the edge of the screen and so on.Seriously, they "man fvwm" from an xterm and search for Xinerama.
There are hundreds of options.Finally, if all else fails, and you wish to do some really strange maniuplations, then you can write an FVWM module in a variety of languages to suit your taste.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342044</id>
	<title>KDE 4.2 has shortcuts to move screen</title>
	<author>j\_sp\_r</author>
	<datestamp>1260095400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Settings -&gt; Keyboard and Mouse -&gt; Global shortcuts -&gt; Kwin</p><p>Window to screen \d</p><p>Kwin has a lot of shortcuts you can define.</p><p>I don't know what the post is all about, but it is defiantly not true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Settings - &gt; Keyboard and Mouse - &gt; Global shortcuts - &gt; KwinWindow to screen \ dKwin has a lot of shortcuts you can define.I do n't know what the post is all about , but it is defiantly not true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Settings -&gt; Keyboard and Mouse -&gt; Global shortcuts -&gt; KwinWindow to screen \dKwin has a lot of shortcuts you can define.I don't know what the post is all about, but it is defiantly not true.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30467872</id>
	<title>ATI has issues</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259679240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I notice that nearly everyone who's posted that has something working well has an nvidia or intel card. I've had a terrible time with my laptop's ATI card. Sometimes it doesn't support different resolutions on each monitor. Sometimes it refuses to use the built-in monitor management tool. Sometimes the ATI tool fails. Through the driver updates over the space of only 2 months, the driver has caused as many problems as it has fixed. My laptop screen still fails in portrait mode half the time, even though appropriate xrandr support was supposedly added a version or two back. With the open-source driver, at least everything works, but I have no 3d acceleration, and my battery life is cut in half. Unfortunately, I didn't have a choice with my graphics card. I've seen multi-monitor setups on linux work brilliantly out-of-the-box, but there are so many times when they fail miserably to do even half the stuff you want them to in the way you expect. Closed-source graphics drivers are honestly half the problem, though, it seems and unless some open-source driver devs get supernatural coding powers, that's not gonna change.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I notice that nearly everyone who 's posted that has something working well has an nvidia or intel card .
I 've had a terrible time with my laptop 's ATI card .
Sometimes it does n't support different resolutions on each monitor .
Sometimes it refuses to use the built-in monitor management tool .
Sometimes the ATI tool fails .
Through the driver updates over the space of only 2 months , the driver has caused as many problems as it has fixed .
My laptop screen still fails in portrait mode half the time , even though appropriate xrandr support was supposedly added a version or two back .
With the open-source driver , at least everything works , but I have no 3d acceleration , and my battery life is cut in half .
Unfortunately , I did n't have a choice with my graphics card .
I 've seen multi-monitor setups on linux work brilliantly out-of-the-box , but there are so many times when they fail miserably to do even half the stuff you want them to in the way you expect .
Closed-source graphics drivers are honestly half the problem , though , it seems and unless some open-source driver devs get supernatural coding powers , that 's not gon na change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I notice that nearly everyone who's posted that has something working well has an nvidia or intel card.
I've had a terrible time with my laptop's ATI card.
Sometimes it doesn't support different resolutions on each monitor.
Sometimes it refuses to use the built-in monitor management tool.
Sometimes the ATI tool fails.
Through the driver updates over the space of only 2 months, the driver has caused as many problems as it has fixed.
My laptop screen still fails in portrait mode half the time, even though appropriate xrandr support was supposedly added a version or two back.
With the open-source driver, at least everything works, but I have no 3d acceleration, and my battery life is cut in half.
Unfortunately, I didn't have a choice with my graphics card.
I've seen multi-monitor setups on linux work brilliantly out-of-the-box, but there are so many times when they fail miserably to do even half the stuff you want them to in the way you expect.
Closed-source graphics drivers are honestly half the problem, though, it seems and unless some open-source driver devs get supernatural coding powers, that's not gonna change.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30361126</id>
	<title>Re:Matrox</title>
	<author>AnonymousPinhead</author>
	<datestamp>1260202320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have (or actually used to have) varying Ubuntu and Kubuntu distros. so how long did it take you to find out kubuntu and ubuntu were the same distro. Im not trying to flame you in no way, just curious and i wonder how many other think kubuntu and ubuntu and ill add one xubuntu are diffrent distros theres more buntu's but those are the main ones. Maybe ubuntu needs to make it clear on there webpages. i respect the ubuntu distro alot it has showed windows users linux thats what linux users recommend you to start on is ubuntu but when i recommend them i tell them off the bat that xubuntu kubuntu and ubuntu are the same distro and all easy, i told them they have a choice of windows managers i prefer xfce out of all those aka xubuntu, if i were to use ubuntu again id get xubuntu they are other diffrences to that should be said gnome has its set of packages it comes with and some and the same goes for kde and the same for xfce. theres more diffrences than the desktop enviroments i had to clear that up. the only advantage when you download it as ubuntu you dont get the packages that kubuntu comes with same goes with xubuntu. but you can install kde on ubuntu but you would still be stuck with gnome packages which is annoying to say the least someone should of told you they were the same distro a long time ago. maybe theres to many people posting comments in the intension of making linux look bad. Maybe i should post the story of the possitives of linux, all of them are not getting out there well alot actually, The new things of linux i know of some that havnt been discussed but i hear about it all the time on freenode network from the developers in charge of it. i'm in alot of linux distro rooms a linux that really hasnt been talked about is doing wonders for linux its sabayon but i suggest if you try it get the gnome version its up to version 5. Ive had a bad experiance with kde they dont have kde right its none of the distro's fault its the developers of kde's fault. But the bad problem is the whole linux distro hears about it and some people are mean actually to these distro's and the problem they had was kde but they still took it out on the linux distro's who had nothing to do with it. xfce has allways been stable for me i shorten the bars and put them in the middle the upper and lower and turn them black and im happy. gnome seems to be doing good also i dont like gnome but ive hadnt heard to many complaints. Im in like 10 diffrent disto's rooms i see this stuff everyday. kde itself has caused a headach for all the 10 of them people dont understant that distro dont program kde the kde team does</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have ( or actually used to have ) varying Ubuntu and Kubuntu distros .
so how long did it take you to find out kubuntu and ubuntu were the same distro .
Im not trying to flame you in no way , just curious and i wonder how many other think kubuntu and ubuntu and ill add one xubuntu are diffrent distros theres more buntu 's but those are the main ones .
Maybe ubuntu needs to make it clear on there webpages .
i respect the ubuntu distro alot it has showed windows users linux thats what linux users recommend you to start on is ubuntu but when i recommend them i tell them off the bat that xubuntu kubuntu and ubuntu are the same distro and all easy , i told them they have a choice of windows managers i prefer xfce out of all those aka xubuntu , if i were to use ubuntu again id get xubuntu they are other diffrences to that should be said gnome has its set of packages it comes with and some and the same goes for kde and the same for xfce .
theres more diffrences than the desktop enviroments i had to clear that up .
the only advantage when you download it as ubuntu you dont get the packages that kubuntu comes with same goes with xubuntu .
but you can install kde on ubuntu but you would still be stuck with gnome packages which is annoying to say the least someone should of told you they were the same distro a long time ago .
maybe theres to many people posting comments in the intension of making linux look bad .
Maybe i should post the story of the possitives of linux , all of them are not getting out there well alot actually , The new things of linux i know of some that havnt been discussed but i hear about it all the time on freenode network from the developers in charge of it .
i 'm in alot of linux distro rooms a linux that really hasnt been talked about is doing wonders for linux its sabayon but i suggest if you try it get the gnome version its up to version 5 .
Ive had a bad experiance with kde they dont have kde right its none of the distro 's fault its the developers of kde 's fault .
But the bad problem is the whole linux distro hears about it and some people are mean actually to these distro 's and the problem they had was kde but they still took it out on the linux distro 's who had nothing to do with it .
xfce has allways been stable for me i shorten the bars and put them in the middle the upper and lower and turn them black and im happy .
gnome seems to be doing good also i dont like gnome but ive hadnt heard to many complaints .
Im in like 10 diffrent disto 's rooms i see this stuff everyday .
kde itself has caused a headach for all the 10 of them people dont understant that distro dont program kde the kde team does</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have (or actually used to have) varying Ubuntu and Kubuntu distros.
so how long did it take you to find out kubuntu and ubuntu were the same distro.
Im not trying to flame you in no way, just curious and i wonder how many other think kubuntu and ubuntu and ill add one xubuntu are diffrent distros theres more buntu's but those are the main ones.
Maybe ubuntu needs to make it clear on there webpages.
i respect the ubuntu distro alot it has showed windows users linux thats what linux users recommend you to start on is ubuntu but when i recommend them i tell them off the bat that xubuntu kubuntu and ubuntu are the same distro and all easy, i told them they have a choice of windows managers i prefer xfce out of all those aka xubuntu, if i were to use ubuntu again id get xubuntu they are other diffrences to that should be said gnome has its set of packages it comes with and some and the same goes for kde and the same for xfce.
theres more diffrences than the desktop enviroments i had to clear that up.
the only advantage when you download it as ubuntu you dont get the packages that kubuntu comes with same goes with xubuntu.
but you can install kde on ubuntu but you would still be stuck with gnome packages which is annoying to say the least someone should of told you they were the same distro a long time ago.
maybe theres to many people posting comments in the intension of making linux look bad.
Maybe i should post the story of the possitives of linux, all of them are not getting out there well alot actually, The new things of linux i know of some that havnt been discussed but i hear about it all the time on freenode network from the developers in charge of it.
i'm in alot of linux distro rooms a linux that really hasnt been talked about is doing wonders for linux its sabayon but i suggest if you try it get the gnome version its up to version 5.
Ive had a bad experiance with kde they dont have kde right its none of the distro's fault its the developers of kde's fault.
But the bad problem is the whole linux distro hears about it and some people are mean actually to these distro's and the problem they had was kde but they still took it out on the linux distro's who had nothing to do with it.
xfce has allways been stable for me i shorten the bars and put them in the middle the upper and lower and turn them black and im happy.
gnome seems to be doing good also i dont like gnome but ive hadnt heard to many complaints.
Im in like 10 diffrent disto's rooms i see this stuff everyday.
kde itself has caused a headach for all the 10 of them people dont understant that distro dont program kde the kde team does</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340422</id>
	<title>Isn't this pretty widespread already?</title>
	<author>Elshar</author>
	<datestamp>1260025800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this just a problem with FVWM? I know I've been doing it for years in both FreeBSD and Linux. I've done it with FreeBSD running Windowmaker as early as 2002-2003, iirc. And I've done it on Linux with KDE and Gnome.</p><p>I've done it with Matrox, ATI, and Nvidia cards. I guess I'm not really  sure what the submitter is talking about, because it works for me just as he's asking for without any special hardware.</p><p>In fact, in linux running Ubuntu, this was the default configuration as I recall, and I've actually got this working on the Ubuntu 9.10 right here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this just a problem with FVWM ?
I know I 've been doing it for years in both FreeBSD and Linux .
I 've done it with FreeBSD running Windowmaker as early as 2002-2003 , iirc .
And I 've done it on Linux with KDE and Gnome.I 've done it with Matrox , ATI , and Nvidia cards .
I guess I 'm not really sure what the submitter is talking about , because it works for me just as he 's asking for without any special hardware.In fact , in linux running Ubuntu , this was the default configuration as I recall , and I 've actually got this working on the Ubuntu 9.10 right here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this just a problem with FVWM?
I know I've been doing it for years in both FreeBSD and Linux.
I've done it with FreeBSD running Windowmaker as early as 2002-2003, iirc.
And I've done it on Linux with KDE and Gnome.I've done it with Matrox, ATI, and Nvidia cards.
I guess I'm not really  sure what the submitter is talking about, because it works for me just as he's asking for without any special hardware.In fact, in linux running Ubuntu, this was the default configuration as I recall, and I've actually got this working on the Ubuntu 9.10 right here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340586</id>
	<title>Nvidia-settings</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260027480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using Ubuntu Karmic,  when I go to work,  I plug my laptop into the dock and then boot.  I click on nvidia-settings from the menu and then X Server Display Configuration.  I click on configuration and set it to twinview.  I click apply and voila I have two screens presented.  I have never tried three,  but as my docking station also a DVI output connection,  I would guess and say that it will probably work just as easily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using Ubuntu Karmic , when I go to work , I plug my laptop into the dock and then boot .
I click on nvidia-settings from the menu and then X Server Display Configuration .
I click on configuration and set it to twinview .
I click apply and voila I have two screens presented .
I have never tried three , but as my docking station also a DVI output connection , I would guess and say that it will probably work just as easily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using Ubuntu Karmic,  when I go to work,  I plug my laptop into the dock and then boot.
I click on nvidia-settings from the menu and then X Server Display Configuration.
I click on configuration and set it to twinview.
I click apply and voila I have two screens presented.
I have never tried three,  but as my docking station also a DVI output connection,  I would guess and say that it will probably work just as easily.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340412</id>
	<title>What's wrong with dragging windows?</title>
	<author>datajack</author>
	<datestamp>1260025680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been using multiple screens for years, though mostly under Ubuntu on nVidia cards. I can simply drag windows from one screen to another - not exactly difficult. Maximised windows will even resize themselves as my tow monitors do not have the same resolution.<br><br>Given that, if you really waanted keyboard control...<br><br>alt-space, down arrow, down arrow (to un-maximise), return<br>then<br><br>alt-space, down arrow, down arrow, down arrow (move)<br><br>use arrow keys to move window to wherever on your desktop you want it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using multiple screens for years , though mostly under Ubuntu on nVidia cards .
I can simply drag windows from one screen to another - not exactly difficult .
Maximised windows will even resize themselves as my tow monitors do not have the same resolution.Given that , if you really waanted keyboard control...alt-space , down arrow , down arrow ( to un-maximise ) , returnthenalt-space , down arrow , down arrow , down arrow ( move ) use arrow keys to move window to wherever on your desktop you want it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using multiple screens for years, though mostly under Ubuntu on nVidia cards.
I can simply drag windows from one screen to another - not exactly difficult.
Maximised windows will even resize themselves as my tow monitors do not have the same resolution.Given that, if you really waanted keyboard control...alt-space, down arrow, down arrow (to un-maximise), returnthenalt-space, down arrow, down arrow, down arrow (move)use arrow keys to move window to wherever on your desktop you want it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340576</id>
	<title>Linux Fails</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260027420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think we should just accept that linux blows chunks when it comes to this. But being slashdot you'll still question why everyone doesnt drop MS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think we should just accept that linux blows chunks when it comes to this .
But being slashdot you 'll still question why everyone doesnt drop MS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think we should just accept that linux blows chunks when it comes to this.
But being slashdot you'll still question why everyone doesnt drop MS.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30360424</id>
	<title>Re:Partially correct, he is</title>
	<author>AnonymousPinhead</author>
	<datestamp>1260196920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>dual monitor out of the box hahahaha im rolling now linux isnt meant to be easy as i will say again, it is not windows and im glad it isnt because it failed for you doesnt mean nothing. theres been lots sucessfull with it for years now. may i suggest something google linuxfromscratch and do it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>dual monitor out of the box hahahaha im rolling now linux isnt meant to be easy as i will say again , it is not windows and im glad it isnt because it failed for you doesnt mean nothing .
theres been lots sucessfull with it for years now .
may i suggest something google linuxfromscratch and do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dual monitor out of the box hahahaha im rolling now linux isnt meant to be easy as i will say again, it is not windows and im glad it isnt because it failed for you doesnt mean nothing.
theres been lots sucessfull with it for years now.
may i suggest something google linuxfromscratch and do it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341966</id>
	<title>Re:Keyboard Shortcut in GNOME</title>
	<author>thoughtspace</author>
	<datestamp>1260093600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do I do this while walking along a white line with one finger on my nose?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do I do this while walking along a white line with one finger on my nose ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do I do this while walking along a white line with one finger on my nose?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342548</id>
	<title>Re:Partially correct, he is</title>
	<author>ellbee</author>
	<datestamp>1260105240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Previous editions were somewhat challenged, but Windows7 is way better than any previous version wrt multiscreen.  I run multiscreen with one framebuffer on my desktop and laptop and multi-framebuffer on my laptop with a DisplayLink USB frame buffer.  It Just Works, including easily changing orientations, laptop disconnect/reconnect, changing to display cloning for presentations, etc.  Windows-P is your new keyboard shortcut friend.</p><p>What pisses me off is that I hate Windows; But it does show that if you concentrate on fixing bugs, over time code can improve.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Previous editions were somewhat challenged , but Windows7 is way better than any previous version wrt multiscreen .
I run multiscreen with one framebuffer on my desktop and laptop and multi-framebuffer on my laptop with a DisplayLink USB frame buffer .
It Just Works , including easily changing orientations , laptop disconnect/reconnect , changing to display cloning for presentations , etc .
Windows-P is your new keyboard shortcut friend.What pisses me off is that I hate Windows ; But it does show that if you concentrate on fixing bugs , over time code can improve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Previous editions were somewhat challenged, but Windows7 is way better than any previous version wrt multiscreen.
I run multiscreen with one framebuffer on my desktop and laptop and multi-framebuffer on my laptop with a DisplayLink USB frame buffer.
It Just Works, including easily changing orientations, laptop disconnect/reconnect, changing to display cloning for presentations, etc.
Windows-P is your new keyboard shortcut friend.What pisses me off is that I hate Windows; But it does show that if you concentrate on fixing bugs, over time code can improve.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340350</id>
	<title>Issues I've had.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260025140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The biggest problem I have with multiple displays is when full screen games don't support it and end up half way off one of the screens.<br>But that's getting better.</p><p>At least I don't have to deal with 3d and video only working on one of the screens.  I just use nvidia twinview.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest problem I have with multiple displays is when full screen games do n't support it and end up half way off one of the screens.But that 's getting better.At least I do n't have to deal with 3d and video only working on one of the screens .
I just use nvidia twinview .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest problem I have with multiple displays is when full screen games don't support it and end up half way off one of the screens.But that's getting better.At least I don't have to deal with 3d and video only working on one of the screens.
I just use nvidia twinview.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342524</id>
	<title>Re:enlightenment 17</title>
	<author>moonbender</author>
	<datestamp>1260104520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Of course, you could give up the virtual desktop scrolling and have the more intuitive setup of the mouse hitting the left edge of the right screen and going to the right edge of the left screen.</p></div><p>How about having left/right move between screens, and up/down move between virtual desktops? Seems like a fairly obvious setup.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , you could give up the virtual desktop scrolling and have the more intuitive setup of the mouse hitting the left edge of the right screen and going to the right edge of the left screen.How about having left/right move between screens , and up/down move between virtual desktops ?
Seems like a fairly obvious setup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, you could give up the virtual desktop scrolling and have the more intuitive setup of the mouse hitting the left edge of the right screen and going to the right edge of the left screen.How about having left/right move between screens, and up/down move between virtual desktops?
Seems like a fairly obvious setup.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30358298</id>
	<title>Thanks for the responses.</title>
	<author>shift</author>
	<datestamp>1260183480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks for all the truly retarded responses, it was very enlightening.  If you are still dragging windows from screen to screen, or using keyboard shortcuts to "grab" the window the move it incrementally over to the other screen then you are living in the dark ages of multi-screen.  I guess I can look into tiling window managers or stick with my FVWM, where with 3 monitors and hot keys I can:</p><p>- swap the contents of 2 arbitrary screens<br>- shift the contents of screens to the right or left (rotates around)<br>- move the currently focused window to another screen with just a keystroke where it ends up on another screen in the same screen-relative geometry and warps the mouse over<br>- move the current window into the center of my middle display with keyboard shortcuts then have it pop back to its original location</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for all the truly retarded responses , it was very enlightening .
If you are still dragging windows from screen to screen , or using keyboard shortcuts to " grab " the window the move it incrementally over to the other screen then you are living in the dark ages of multi-screen .
I guess I can look into tiling window managers or stick with my FVWM , where with 3 monitors and hot keys I can : - swap the contents of 2 arbitrary screens- shift the contents of screens to the right or left ( rotates around ) - move the currently focused window to another screen with just a keystroke where it ends up on another screen in the same screen-relative geometry and warps the mouse over- move the current window into the center of my middle display with keyboard shortcuts then have it pop back to its original location</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for all the truly retarded responses, it was very enlightening.
If you are still dragging windows from screen to screen, or using keyboard shortcuts to "grab" the window the move it incrementally over to the other screen then you are living in the dark ages of multi-screen.
I guess I can look into tiling window managers or stick with my FVWM, where with 3 monitors and hot keys I can:- swap the contents of 2 arbitrary screens- shift the contents of screens to the right or left (rotates around)- move the currently focused window to another screen with just a keystroke where it ends up on another screen in the same screen-relative geometry and warps the mouse over- move the current window into the center of my middle display with keyboard shortcuts then have it pop back to its original location</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30349908</id>
	<title>Re:What's wrong with dragging windows?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260128340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally the combo i use to move is:<br>up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a, b, a, start.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally the combo i use to move is : up , up , down , down , left , right , left , right , b , a , b , a , start .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally the combo i use to move is:up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a, b, a, start.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30344950</id>
	<title>Re:Partially correct, he is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260130080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man, it gets tiring hearing this kind of crap about "ready" all the time.</p><p>Aunt Tilly doesn't define "the desktop", and doesn't need two monitors.  Linux isn't and never will be for everyone in the world.  Just like Windows, MacOS, SunOS, NeXT, Irix, BeOS, etc aren't.  Linux has niches that it excels within.  Those niches know how to read documentation.  And it's just fine to target a specific audience - like how Windows targets the ignorant masses (in the dictionary sense), and MacOS targets the ignorent snobs.  They seem to be doing just fine, as do various targeted distributions of Linux.</p><p>I've used multiple monitors under Linux since all 4 digits in the year were different from now, and you have too.  Clearly, it was working well enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , it gets tiring hearing this kind of crap about " ready " all the time.Aunt Tilly does n't define " the desktop " , and does n't need two monitors .
Linux is n't and never will be for everyone in the world .
Just like Windows , MacOS , SunOS , NeXT , Irix , BeOS , etc are n't .
Linux has niches that it excels within .
Those niches know how to read documentation .
And it 's just fine to target a specific audience - like how Windows targets the ignorant masses ( in the dictionary sense ) , and MacOS targets the ignorent snobs .
They seem to be doing just fine , as do various targeted distributions of Linux.I 've used multiple monitors under Linux since all 4 digits in the year were different from now , and you have too .
Clearly , it was working well enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, it gets tiring hearing this kind of crap about "ready" all the time.Aunt Tilly doesn't define "the desktop", and doesn't need two monitors.
Linux isn't and never will be for everyone in the world.
Just like Windows, MacOS, SunOS, NeXT, Irix, BeOS, etc aren't.
Linux has niches that it excels within.
Those niches know how to read documentation.
And it's just fine to target a specific audience - like how Windows targets the ignorant masses (in the dictionary sense), and MacOS targets the ignorent snobs.
They seem to be doing just fine, as do various targeted distributions of Linux.I've used multiple monitors under Linux since all 4 digits in the year were different from now, and you have too.
Clearly, it was working well enough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340654</id>
	<title>A good combo.</title>
	<author>hyperion2010</author>
	<datestamp>1260028200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I personally have found that you can use fluxbox's keys file to bind just about anything, so I have keys bound that launch a script which calls xrandr with the right options and modes for my monitors, works prefectly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I personally have found that you can use fluxbox 's keys file to bind just about anything , so I have keys bound that launch a script which calls xrandr with the right options and modes for my monitors , works prefectly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I personally have found that you can use fluxbox's keys file to bind just about anything, so I have keys bound that launch a script which calls xrandr with the right options and modes for my monitors, works prefectly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342358</id>
	<title>Re:Multiple desktops</title>
	<author>cwike</author>
	<datestamp>1260101100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I really love how (presumtuously accidentaly) your signature really embodies this entire article.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really love how ( presumtuously accidentaly ) your signature really embodies this entire article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really love how (presumtuously accidentaly) your signature really embodies this entire article.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340444</id>
	<title>Multiple desktops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260025980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This might be overly simplifying the matter, but Ubuntu (GNOME environment) has got multiple workspaces built in, and CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-right\_arrow will throw the current window to the next workspace.  Couldn't you just assign each workspace to a different monitor and be done with it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This might be overly simplifying the matter , but Ubuntu ( GNOME environment ) has got multiple workspaces built in , and CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-right \ _arrow will throw the current window to the next workspace .
Could n't you just assign each workspace to a different monitor and be done with it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This might be overly simplifying the matter, but Ubuntu (GNOME environment) has got multiple workspaces built in, and CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-right\_arrow will throw the current window to the next workspace.
Couldn't you just assign each workspace to a different monitor and be done with it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340466</id>
	<title>Power Tools</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260026160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Was I the only one that was thinking of Circular Saws, Electric drills with built in LCD displays?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Was I the only one that was thinking of Circular Saws , Electric drills with built in LCD displays ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was I the only one that was thinking of Circular Saws, Electric drills with built in LCD displays?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30385114</id>
	<title>Re:Another Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259604180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>     I work at a computer surplus, we set up a 7-head system using 5 video cards.  Xorg is ridiculous, they don't even have to be vaguely similar.  I did it twice -- initial setup I decided to see how crazy I could get and built one with like a FX5200, some old cirrus logic card, a matrox, a rage 128 and a radeon (probably a 7200 or so).  The matrox proved to be faulty, (even by itself, I think the card was damaged).  Try 2, switched the matrox with, I don't know, a tnt  or something.  Everything worked.  Siwtched *that* with 5 FX5200s (yeah, only 2 dual heads and the rest signle... weird), and everything was great, I could even scale videos up ultra-huge and xvideo etc. was working properly so the pci bus was not overwhelmed.  I didn't have to do anything to set it up, it worked out of the box.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; My recollection was I could not enable the nvidia driver, though (I had hard lockups if I tried) until I went to all nvidia cards (and I suppose all the same age, since TNT2 and FX5200 for instance would need different nvidia drivers versions.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work at a computer surplus , we set up a 7-head system using 5 video cards .
Xorg is ridiculous , they do n't even have to be vaguely similar .
I did it twice -- initial setup I decided to see how crazy I could get and built one with like a FX5200 , some old cirrus logic card , a matrox , a rage 128 and a radeon ( probably a 7200 or so ) .
The matrox proved to be faulty , ( even by itself , I think the card was damaged ) .
Try 2 , switched the matrox with , I do n't know , a tnt or something .
Everything worked .
Siwtched * that * with 5 FX5200s ( yeah , only 2 dual heads and the rest signle... weird ) , and everything was great , I could even scale videos up ultra-huge and xvideo etc .
was working properly so the pci bus was not overwhelmed .
I did n't have to do anything to set it up , it worked out of the box .
          My recollection was I could not enable the nvidia driver , though ( I had hard lockups if I tried ) until I went to all nvidia cards ( and I suppose all the same age , since TNT2 and FX5200 for instance would need different nvidia drivers versions .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>     I work at a computer surplus, we set up a 7-head system using 5 video cards.
Xorg is ridiculous, they don't even have to be vaguely similar.
I did it twice -- initial setup I decided to see how crazy I could get and built one with like a FX5200, some old cirrus logic card, a matrox, a rage 128 and a radeon (probably a 7200 or so).
The matrox proved to be faulty, (even by itself, I think the card was damaged).
Try 2, switched the matrox with, I don't know, a tnt  or something.
Everything worked.
Siwtched *that* with 5 FX5200s (yeah, only 2 dual heads and the rest signle... weird), and everything was great, I could even scale videos up ultra-huge and xvideo etc.
was working properly so the pci bus was not overwhelmed.
I didn't have to do anything to set it up, it worked out of the box.
          My recollection was I could not enable the nvidia driver, though (I had hard lockups if I tried) until I went to all nvidia cards (and I suppose all the same age, since TNT2 and FX5200 for instance would need different nvidia drivers versions.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340738</id>
	<title>FVWM?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260029340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use a better window manager.  Nobody else has problem with this because nobody (except you apparently) uses FVWM.</p><p>Heh, FVWM... yeah I remember using that like 15 years ago.  Trying to be all cool and "Next"-like since this was <em>well</em> before Jobs returned to Apple to create OSX.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use a better window manager .
Nobody else has problem with this because nobody ( except you apparently ) uses FVWM.Heh , FVWM... yeah I remember using that like 15 years ago .
Trying to be all cool and " Next " -like since this was well before Jobs returned to Apple to create OSX .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use a better window manager.
Nobody else has problem with this because nobody (except you apparently) uses FVWM.Heh, FVWM... yeah I remember using that like 15 years ago.
Trying to be all cool and "Next"-like since this was well before Jobs returned to Apple to create OSX.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30345976</id>
	<title>Re:Keyboard Shortcut in GNOME</title>
	<author>Randle\_Revar</author>
	<datestamp>1260095220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>alt-f7-shift-arrowkey</p></div></blockquote><p>sounds like the gnome people have been talking to the emacs people</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>alt-f7-shift-arrowkeysounds like the gnome people have been talking to the emacs people</tokentext>
<sentencetext>alt-f7-shift-arrowkeysounds like the gnome people have been talking to the emacs people
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340610</id>
	<title>Re:Another Question</title>
	<author>FooAtWFU</author>
	<datestamp>1260027720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>At my office, most of the developers have at least two monitors (1600x1200 Dell 2007FP or something like that). They're rotated 90 degrees (more vertical space for coding) and configured as a dual-monitor setup. A few developers have expanded things to 3 or 4 monitors. The machines in question sometimes have trouble booting  up with two video cards (they're somewhat cheap old motherboards), but the drivers and desktop setup (Nvidia binary blobs under Ubuntu) were always pretty easy to get running and Just Worked with the nvidia config tool.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At my office , most of the developers have at least two monitors ( 1600x1200 Dell 2007FP or something like that ) .
They 're rotated 90 degrees ( more vertical space for coding ) and configured as a dual-monitor setup .
A few developers have expanded things to 3 or 4 monitors .
The machines in question sometimes have trouble booting up with two video cards ( they 're somewhat cheap old motherboards ) , but the drivers and desktop setup ( Nvidia binary blobs under Ubuntu ) were always pretty easy to get running and Just Worked with the nvidia config tool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At my office, most of the developers have at least two monitors (1600x1200 Dell 2007FP or something like that).
They're rotated 90 degrees (more vertical space for coding) and configured as a dual-monitor setup.
A few developers have expanded things to 3 or 4 monitors.
The machines in question sometimes have trouble booting  up with two video cards (they're somewhat cheap old motherboards), but the drivers and desktop setup (Nvidia binary blobs under Ubuntu) were always pretty easy to get running and Just Worked with the nvidia config tool.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340396</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340714</id>
	<title>Re:Keyboard Shortcut in GNOME</title>
	<author>ChipMonk</author>
	<datestamp>1260029100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is that specific to Metacity?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that specific to Metacity ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that specific to Metacity?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340396</id>
	<title>Another Question</title>
	<author>Lord Byron II</author>
	<datestamp>1260025560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While we're on the subject, I'm curious to know how well Linux supports three monitor setups. I'm thinking of setting up three monitors on two graphics cards with KDE4. Does anyone have experience with this setup? How well does Compiz work for you? (I've heard anecdotal stories that Compiz can't cross video cards.) Is this something that SaX (or another GUI tool) setup, or will I be hand-editing configuration files?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While we 're on the subject , I 'm curious to know how well Linux supports three monitor setups .
I 'm thinking of setting up three monitors on two graphics cards with KDE4 .
Does anyone have experience with this setup ?
How well does Compiz work for you ?
( I 've heard anecdotal stories that Compiz ca n't cross video cards .
) Is this something that SaX ( or another GUI tool ) setup , or will I be hand-editing configuration files ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While we're on the subject, I'm curious to know how well Linux supports three monitor setups.
I'm thinking of setting up three monitors on two graphics cards with KDE4.
Does anyone have experience with this setup?
How well does Compiz work for you?
(I've heard anecdotal stories that Compiz can't cross video cards.
) Is this something that SaX (or another GUI tool) setup, or will I be hand-editing configuration files?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30362384</id>
	<title>Re:Partially correct, he is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260214680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF does Windows have to do with this?  Saying it's no worse than Windows is like saying my new computer is no worse than a Timex-Sinclair 1000.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF does Windows have to do with this ?
Saying it 's no worse than Windows is like saying my new computer is no worse than a Timex-Sinclair 1000 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF does Windows have to do with this?
Saying it's no worse than Windows is like saying my new computer is no worse than a Timex-Sinclair 1000.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342284</id>
	<title>Re:Partially correct, he is</title>
	<author>Bent Mind</author>
	<datestamp>1260099840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Of course, the Nvidia-applet works fine, doing anything with the TV of my liking. But it would require the user to know that she uses a Nvidia card, and that there is another applet that she needs to use. Not good.</p></div><p>How is this different from Windows? If I want to do something special with graphics output under XP, I use the Intel applet that sits in the system tray. ATI and nVidia also have their own special applets under Windows.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , the Nvidia-applet works fine , doing anything with the TV of my liking .
But it would require the user to know that she uses a Nvidia card , and that there is another applet that she needs to use .
Not good.How is this different from Windows ?
If I want to do something special with graphics output under XP , I use the Intel applet that sits in the system tray .
ATI and nVidia also have their own special applets under Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, the Nvidia-applet works fine, doing anything with the TV of my liking.
But it would require the user to know that she uses a Nvidia card, and that there is another applet that she needs to use.
Not good.How is this different from Windows?
If I want to do something special with graphics output under XP, I use the Intel applet that sits in the system tray.
ATI and nVidia also have their own special applets under Windows.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340462</id>
	<title>xmonad window manager for multiple displays</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260026100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Xmonad seperates the concept of virtual desktops from the displays on which they are put.<br>so not only can you move a window from one monitor alt-shift-[wer] for moving from monitors 1 2 3 respectivly.<br>you can put any of the (default 9) virtual desktops on any monitor with alt-[1-9]. The window manager is about as hard to learn to use as VI though it is really really well worth it. expecially when you use it from within gnome so you dont have to loose all the task bar goodness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Xmonad seperates the concept of virtual desktops from the displays on which they are put.so not only can you move a window from one monitor alt-shift- [ wer ] for moving from monitors 1 2 3 respectivly.you can put any of the ( default 9 ) virtual desktops on any monitor with alt- [ 1-9 ] .
The window manager is about as hard to learn to use as VI though it is really really well worth it .
expecially when you use it from within gnome so you dont have to loose all the task bar goodness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Xmonad seperates the concept of virtual desktops from the displays on which they are put.so not only can you move a window from one monitor alt-shift-[wer] for moving from monitors 1 2 3 respectivly.you can put any of the (default 9) virtual desktops on any monitor with alt-[1-9].
The window manager is about as hard to learn to use as VI though it is really really well worth it.
expecially when you use it from within gnome so you dont have to loose all the task bar goodness.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30345138</id>
	<title>xrandr 1.2+ breaks multi card support in X</title>
	<author>SlashSim</author>
	<datestamp>1260131520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My desktop is frozen at Debian Etch.</p><p>I have a triple head setup with three graphics cards. It has been working well for me for years, though it was a bit tricky to set up. About halfway through the Lenny release cycle, an upgrade hosed my multi head setup.</p><p>The culprit was xrandr replacing xinerama. The new code can handle multiple outputs on a single card but cannot yet use more than a single card.</p><p>The xrandr code is a definite improvement. No more screwing around with xorg.conf is great. The ability to change screen arrangements and resolutions dynamically is a major win for laptop users. Dropping multiple card support however, is a major regression.</p><p>At this point it is looking like I will need new hardware by the time this is fixed. I suppose I can throw a bunch of money at a graphics card with three or more outputs. I got the three cards I'm using now at swap meet prices, I don't relish the thought of shelling out big bucks for a fancy card, I'm just looking at a bunch of xterms anyway.</p><p>For now, I'm stuck with an increasingly obsolescent operating system because the X developers didn't thing it was a big deal to remove functionality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My desktop is frozen at Debian Etch.I have a triple head setup with three graphics cards .
It has been working well for me for years , though it was a bit tricky to set up .
About halfway through the Lenny release cycle , an upgrade hosed my multi head setup.The culprit was xrandr replacing xinerama .
The new code can handle multiple outputs on a single card but can not yet use more than a single card.The xrandr code is a definite improvement .
No more screwing around with xorg.conf is great .
The ability to change screen arrangements and resolutions dynamically is a major win for laptop users .
Dropping multiple card support however , is a major regression.At this point it is looking like I will need new hardware by the time this is fixed .
I suppose I can throw a bunch of money at a graphics card with three or more outputs .
I got the three cards I 'm using now at swap meet prices , I do n't relish the thought of shelling out big bucks for a fancy card , I 'm just looking at a bunch of xterms anyway.For now , I 'm stuck with an increasingly obsolescent operating system because the X developers did n't thing it was a big deal to remove functionality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My desktop is frozen at Debian Etch.I have a triple head setup with three graphics cards.
It has been working well for me for years, though it was a bit tricky to set up.
About halfway through the Lenny release cycle, an upgrade hosed my multi head setup.The culprit was xrandr replacing xinerama.
The new code can handle multiple outputs on a single card but cannot yet use more than a single card.The xrandr code is a definite improvement.
No more screwing around with xorg.conf is great.
The ability to change screen arrangements and resolutions dynamically is a major win for laptop users.
Dropping multiple card support however, is a major regression.At this point it is looking like I will need new hardware by the time this is fixed.
I suppose I can throw a bunch of money at a graphics card with three or more outputs.
I got the three cards I'm using now at swap meet prices, I don't relish the thought of shelling out big bucks for a fancy card, I'm just looking at a bunch of xterms anyway.For now, I'm stuck with an increasingly obsolescent operating system because the X developers didn't thing it was a big deal to remove functionality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30403396</id>
	<title>Re:Multiple Screens / *one* Pager</title>
	<author>paul\_n\_miller</author>
	<datestamp>1260553920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>using Enlightenment with two monitors and no, it does not do what you (or myself) want<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(<br>I have two completely separate displays<br>one I do work on<br>other I have my companies monitoring software being displayed (or playing  a movie)</p><p>I can "hot" key between them via switchscreen<br>but can not move a window from one monitor to the other.</p><p>what does work is...<br>
&nbsp; alt arrow; goes to the "arrowed" virtual desktop<br>
&nbsp; moving the mouse off the screen,  goes to the "moused to" virtual desktop<br>which is what I want.</p><p>this is a laptop, extra monitor setup<br>so having one big screen is not what I'm looking for<br>I want the "Each monitor as a separate (logical, if not physical) display"<br>the ability to move windows off of the extra monitor, onto the laptop display, undock the laptop<br>and continue to do work is what I'm looking for.</p><p>If there is a solution to this please post it!<br>thanks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>using Enlightenment with two monitors and no , it does not do what you ( or myself ) want : ( I have two completely separate displaysone I do work onother I have my companies monitoring software being displayed ( or playing a movie ) I can " hot " key between them via switchscreenbut can not move a window from one monitor to the other.what does work is.. .   alt arrow ; goes to the " arrowed " virtual desktop   moving the mouse off the screen , goes to the " moused to " virtual desktopwhich is what I want.this is a laptop , extra monitor setupso having one big screen is not what I 'm looking forI want the " Each monitor as a separate ( logical , if not physical ) display " the ability to move windows off of the extra monitor , onto the laptop display , undock the laptopand continue to do work is what I 'm looking for.If there is a solution to this please post it ! thanks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>using Enlightenment with two monitors and no, it does not do what you (or myself) want :(I have two completely separate displaysone I do work onother I have my companies monitoring software being displayed (or playing  a movie)I can "hot" key between them via switchscreenbut can not move a window from one monitor to the other.what does work is...
  alt arrow; goes to the "arrowed" virtual desktop
  moving the mouse off the screen,  goes to the "moused to" virtual desktopwhich is what I want.this is a laptop, extra monitor setupso having one big screen is not what I'm looking forI want the "Each monitor as a separate (logical, if not physical) display"the ability to move windows off of the extra monitor, onto the laptop display, undock the laptopand continue to do work is what I'm looking for.If there is a solution to this please post it!thanks</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342706</id>
	<title>Troll?</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1260108780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The original post is so not-true, and with the mention of Windows 7 I'm guessing the original poster is actually a Microsoft troll.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The original post is so not-true , and with the mention of Windows 7 I 'm guessing the original poster is actually a Microsoft troll .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The original post is so not-true, and with the mention of Windows 7 I'm guessing the original poster is actually a Microsoft troll.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340784</id>
	<title>xmonad - check the screenshots</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260030060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.xmonad.org/" title="xmonad.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.xmonad.org/</a> [xmonad.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.xmonad.org/ [ xmonad.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.xmonad.org/ [xmonad.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341342</id>
	<title>Re:FVWM?</title>
	<author>lahvak</author>
	<datestamp>1260038340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ehm, it is my impression he says he has it working in FVWM, but cannot make it work in more modern desktop environments.  Which does not surprise me.  Every time I try to use some new window manager (usually because it comes as default after installing new system on a new computer, or because people rave about how great it is), I always end up returning back to FVWM, because nothing has the functionality of FVWM, while being equally fast and lightweight.  Compiz is just beginning to implement things that FVWM had, well, you said it, over 15 years ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ehm , it is my impression he says he has it working in FVWM , but can not make it work in more modern desktop environments .
Which does not surprise me .
Every time I try to use some new window manager ( usually because it comes as default after installing new system on a new computer , or because people rave about how great it is ) , I always end up returning back to FVWM , because nothing has the functionality of FVWM , while being equally fast and lightweight .
Compiz is just beginning to implement things that FVWM had , well , you said it , over 15 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ehm, it is my impression he says he has it working in FVWM, but cannot make it work in more modern desktop environments.
Which does not surprise me.
Every time I try to use some new window manager (usually because it comes as default after installing new system on a new computer, or because people rave about how great it is), I always end up returning back to FVWM, because nothing has the functionality of FVWM, while being equally fast and lightweight.
Compiz is just beginning to implement things that FVWM had, well, you said it, over 15 years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30353002</id>
	<title>Combine them by Hardware</title>
	<author>Thimo Langbehn</author>
	<datestamp>1260201480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a setup using a NVidia TwinView graphics card together with a Matrox DualHead2Go splitter. This allows me to combine three UXGA monitors as a single Display without any further configuration in X-Org (except the twin-View part).
The windowmanager just sees one big Display (fully accelerated), and you can do everything with ist that you can do on a single display, in the same way.

That said, there is an ATI project called Eyefinity in the making that will support up to six monitors natvely, however that is not yet available.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a setup using a NVidia TwinView graphics card together with a Matrox DualHead2Go splitter .
This allows me to combine three UXGA monitors as a single Display without any further configuration in X-Org ( except the twin-View part ) .
The windowmanager just sees one big Display ( fully accelerated ) , and you can do everything with ist that you can do on a single display , in the same way .
That said , there is an ATI project called Eyefinity in the making that will support up to six monitors natvely , however that is not yet available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a setup using a NVidia TwinView graphics card together with a Matrox DualHead2Go splitter.
This allows me to combine three UXGA monitors as a single Display without any further configuration in X-Org (except the twin-View part).
The windowmanager just sees one big Display (fully accelerated), and you can do everything with ist that you can do on a single display, in the same way.
That said, there is an ATI project called Eyefinity in the making that will support up to six monitors natvely, however that is not yet available.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341632</id>
	<title>Re:Another Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260129600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Used to have KDE 3.5.x running very nicely on a triple monitor setup:<br>* Three 1600x1200 DELL 2007FP rotated to portrait.<br>* GeForce 6600 (2x DVI) and GeForce 6200 (1x DVI).<br>* KDE 3.5.x with Xinerama on Gentoo AMD64.<br>* I had to hand-edit the xorg.conf file.<br>* Worked awesomely for coding, but not for 3D games.  If I recall, 3D was horribly slow.</p><p>New setup:<br>* KDE4.3.x on Arch AMD64.<br>* Geforce 9600 (1x DVI) and GeForce 6200 (1x VGA + 1x DVI)<br>* DELL 3008WFP center monitor flanked with two DELL 2007FP monitors in portrait mode.<br>* No Xinerama (Xorg/KDM/KDE crashes on me if Xinerama is enabled)<br>* KDE on the center monitor has full 3D acceleration for games.<br>* Side monitors run IceWM (no Xinerama).<br>* Hand-edited Xorg.conf file.</p><p>I can have email and docs on the side monitors with all the coding and games on the center monitor.  I can't drag windows between the monitors though, which sucks.  I mostly just use the single center monitor now and keep the side monitors turned off.  The 30" has more real-estate than the two side monitors combined.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Used to have KDE 3.5.x running very nicely on a triple monitor setup : * Three 1600x1200 DELL 2007FP rotated to portrait .
* GeForce 6600 ( 2x DVI ) and GeForce 6200 ( 1x DVI ) .
* KDE 3.5.x with Xinerama on Gentoo AMD64 .
* I had to hand-edit the xorg.conf file .
* Worked awesomely for coding , but not for 3D games .
If I recall , 3D was horribly slow.New setup : * KDE4.3.x on Arch AMD64 .
* Geforce 9600 ( 1x DVI ) and GeForce 6200 ( 1x VGA + 1x DVI ) * DELL 3008WFP center monitor flanked with two DELL 2007FP monitors in portrait mode .
* No Xinerama ( Xorg/KDM/KDE crashes on me if Xinerama is enabled ) * KDE on the center monitor has full 3D acceleration for games .
* Side monitors run IceWM ( no Xinerama ) .
* Hand-edited Xorg.conf file.I can have email and docs on the side monitors with all the coding and games on the center monitor .
I ca n't drag windows between the monitors though , which sucks .
I mostly just use the single center monitor now and keep the side monitors turned off .
The 30 " has more real-estate than the two side monitors combined .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Used to have KDE 3.5.x running very nicely on a triple monitor setup:* Three 1600x1200 DELL 2007FP rotated to portrait.
* GeForce 6600 (2x DVI) and GeForce 6200 (1x DVI).
* KDE 3.5.x with Xinerama on Gentoo AMD64.
* I had to hand-edit the xorg.conf file.
* Worked awesomely for coding, but not for 3D games.
If I recall, 3D was horribly slow.New setup:* KDE4.3.x on Arch AMD64.
* Geforce 9600 (1x DVI) and GeForce 6200 (1x VGA + 1x DVI)* DELL 3008WFP center monitor flanked with two DELL 2007FP monitors in portrait mode.
* No Xinerama (Xorg/KDM/KDE crashes on me if Xinerama is enabled)* KDE on the center monitor has full 3D acceleration for games.
* Side monitors run IceWM (no Xinerama).
* Hand-edited Xorg.conf file.I can have email and docs on the side monitors with all the coding and games on the center monitor.
I can't drag windows between the monitors though, which sucks.
I mostly just use the single center monitor now and keep the side monitors turned off.
The 30" has more real-estate than the two side monitors combined.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30349660</id>
	<title>Re:Another Question</title>
	<author>kupojsin</author>
	<datestamp>1260125280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a three monitor setup using xinerama across one nvidia quadro. No compiz however as there is no composting support for xinerama. I had to choose between TwinView with full 3d acceleration<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/compiz using proprietary drivers or three monitors without. The only way to get this working that I know is to use the older depreciated Xgl-server. Beautiful video of it here <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_p3X7CdE2oc" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_p3X7CdE2oc</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a three monitor setup using xinerama across one nvidia quadro .
No compiz however as there is no composting support for xinerama .
I had to choose between TwinView with full 3d acceleration /compiz using proprietary drivers or three monitors without .
The only way to get this working that I know is to use the older depreciated Xgl-server .
Beautiful video of it here http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = \ _p3X7CdE2oc [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a three monitor setup using xinerama across one nvidia quadro.
No compiz however as there is no composting support for xinerama.
I had to choose between TwinView with full 3d acceleration /compiz using proprietary drivers or three monitors without.
The only way to get this working that I know is to use the older depreciated Xgl-server.
Beautiful video of it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_p3X7CdE2oc [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340396</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30343390</id>
	<title>Re:Multiple desktops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260117540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ctrl+Alt+Right Arrow works as well... without the unnecessary expenditure of energy needed by pressing shift too</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ctrl + Alt + Right Arrow works as well... without the unnecessary expenditure of energy needed by pressing shift too</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ctrl+Alt+Right Arrow works as well... without the unnecessary expenditure of energy needed by pressing shift too</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340444</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342550</id>
	<title>Matrox</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260105480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have (or actually used to have) varying Ubuntu and Kubuntu distros on one of my PCs which has a Matrox P650 dual head graphics card and two monitors attached. None of the mentioned distros has managed to support two monitors - or that Matrox card in general. The only way I managed to get a dual display was using some obscure third party hacked Matrox drivers. And that fun only lasted until the next system update. Couldn't be arsed to do the all the manual tweaking again so I was left with one monitor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have ( or actually used to have ) varying Ubuntu and Kubuntu distros on one of my PCs which has a Matrox P650 dual head graphics card and two monitors attached .
None of the mentioned distros has managed to support two monitors - or that Matrox card in general .
The only way I managed to get a dual display was using some obscure third party hacked Matrox drivers .
And that fun only lasted until the next system update .
Could n't be arsed to do the all the manual tweaking again so I was left with one monitor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have (or actually used to have) varying Ubuntu and Kubuntu distros on one of my PCs which has a Matrox P650 dual head graphics card and two monitors attached.
None of the mentioned distros has managed to support two monitors - or that Matrox card in general.
The only way I managed to get a dual display was using some obscure third party hacked Matrox drivers.
And that fun only lasted until the next system update.
Couldn't be arsed to do the all the manual tweaking again so I was left with one monitor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342332</id>
	<title>Re:Another Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260100680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>we use 4 monitors on each computer in my office, running red hat linux, and it works without problems (2x nvidia's, one for two 24" monitors and one for the other two 20")</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>we use 4 monitors on each computer in my office , running red hat linux , and it works without problems ( 2x nvidia 's , one for two 24 " monitors and one for the other two 20 " )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we use 4 monitors on each computer in my office, running red hat linux, and it works without problems (2x nvidia's, one for two 24" monitors and one for the other two 20")</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340396</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30368984</id>
	<title>Re:multiple monitors with FVWM for a long time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260303600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well done for failing to read the actual problem.  Now how do you set the keyboard shortcuts to move Windows between screens?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well done for failing to read the actual problem .
Now how do you set the keyboard shortcuts to move Windows between screens ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well done for failing to read the actual problem.
Now how do you set the keyboard shortcuts to move Windows between screens?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340838</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30344892</id>
	<title>Multiple monitors in current X system</title>
	<author>bradbury</author>
	<datestamp>1260129660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, this solution is fine (and easy!) for someone who wants to shell out the $$$ for a multi-headed graphics card (or even say the new Matrox 8-screen card) -- but say one wants to live with older hardware.  Say one has a MB with an i915 chip for "standard" VGA and one has added a "Radeon HD 3450" card which is relatively a cheap 2 head graphics card -- one has the capability of configuring 2 additional (total of 3) monitors -- but can one get X to talk to both hardware drivers (the Intel and the ATI)?  Not in my experience (and I have tried).</p><p>If X indeed supports this (multiple screens across multiple hardware (driver) types) then I simply have not figured out the required tricks.  If it doesn't support this it is a deficiency in the X capabilities and should be fixed.</p><p>The version of X I am currently running is 1.7.1 and I'm about to upgrade to 1.7.3.</p><p>Side note: The most annoying thing IMO is that given the cooling capacity requirements of most current medium-to-high-end video cards is that they take up 2-slots.  Slots I could devote to other uses (ATI TV receivers -&gt; MythTV recorders for example).  The standard "one size fits all" releases of hardware to the masses will never be right for my interests (I generally view unused slots as opportunities to make my computer more interesting [think very old car/engine tinkerer]) -- so I will want all of the slots available -- and the MB manufacturers have generally not changed the general design layout in ~15 years to deal with this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , this solution is fine ( and easy !
) for someone who wants to shell out the $ $ $ for a multi-headed graphics card ( or even say the new Matrox 8-screen card ) -- but say one wants to live with older hardware .
Say one has a MB with an i915 chip for " standard " VGA and one has added a " Radeon HD 3450 " card which is relatively a cheap 2 head graphics card -- one has the capability of configuring 2 additional ( total of 3 ) monitors -- but can one get X to talk to both hardware drivers ( the Intel and the ATI ) ?
Not in my experience ( and I have tried ) .If X indeed supports this ( multiple screens across multiple hardware ( driver ) types ) then I simply have not figured out the required tricks .
If it does n't support this it is a deficiency in the X capabilities and should be fixed.The version of X I am currently running is 1.7.1 and I 'm about to upgrade to 1.7.3.Side note : The most annoying thing IMO is that given the cooling capacity requirements of most current medium-to-high-end video cards is that they take up 2-slots .
Slots I could devote to other uses ( ATI TV receivers - &gt; MythTV recorders for example ) .
The standard " one size fits all " releases of hardware to the masses will never be right for my interests ( I generally view unused slots as opportunities to make my computer more interesting [ think very old car/engine tinkerer ] ) -- so I will want all of the slots available -- and the MB manufacturers have generally not changed the general design layout in ~ 15 years to deal with this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, this solution is fine (and easy!
) for someone who wants to shell out the $$$ for a multi-headed graphics card (or even say the new Matrox 8-screen card) -- but say one wants to live with older hardware.
Say one has a MB with an i915 chip for "standard" VGA and one has added a "Radeon HD 3450" card which is relatively a cheap 2 head graphics card -- one has the capability of configuring 2 additional (total of 3) monitors -- but can one get X to talk to both hardware drivers (the Intel and the ATI)?
Not in my experience (and I have tried).If X indeed supports this (multiple screens across multiple hardware (driver) types) then I simply have not figured out the required tricks.
If it doesn't support this it is a deficiency in the X capabilities and should be fixed.The version of X I am currently running is 1.7.1 and I'm about to upgrade to 1.7.3.Side note: The most annoying thing IMO is that given the cooling capacity requirements of most current medium-to-high-end video cards is that they take up 2-slots.
Slots I could devote to other uses (ATI TV receivers -&gt; MythTV recorders for example).
The standard "one size fits all" releases of hardware to the masses will never be right for my interests (I generally view unused slots as opportunities to make my computer more interesting [think very old car/engine tinkerer]) -- so I will want all of the slots available -- and the MB manufacturers have generally not changed the general design layout in ~15 years to deal with this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341458</id>
	<title>MS FUD to push Windows 7 for x-mas</title>
	<author>cenc</author>
	<datestamp>1260040080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really people? This is is a question to be taken seriously on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.?</p><p>Anyone that knows Linux, knows it does more than one display and has done it for years. I have been using multiples displays for at least 5 years in linux.</p><p>In some sense, given the server / terminal roots of linux you could say it did it long long before windows ever did.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really people ?
This is is a question to be taken seriously on / .
? Anyone that knows Linux , knows it does more than one display and has done it for years .
I have been using multiples displays for at least 5 years in linux.In some sense , given the server / terminal roots of linux you could say it did it long long before windows ever did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really people?
This is is a question to be taken seriously on /.
?Anyone that knows Linux, knows it does more than one display and has done it for years.
I have been using multiples displays for at least 5 years in linux.In some sense, given the server / terminal roots of linux you could say it did it long long before windows ever did.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30344996</id>
	<title>Re:What about the text console?</title>
	<author>cloudmaster</author>
	<datestamp>1260130380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Start [terminal of choice] on multi-X desktop system.  Maximize (or, hopefully, enter "full screen mode" each one on a different screen.  Ignore "this is evil" feeling, because window managers exist specifically to manage windows, which is what you want to do.  Enjoy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Start [ terminal of choice ] on multi-X desktop system .
Maximize ( or , hopefully , enter " full screen mode " each one on a different screen .
Ignore " this is evil " feeling , because window managers exist specifically to manage windows , which is what you want to do .
Enjoy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Start [terminal of choice] on multi-X desktop system.
Maximize (or, hopefully, enter "full screen mode" each one on a different screen.
Ignore "this is evil" feeling, because window managers exist specifically to manage windows, which is what you want to do.
Enjoy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341150</id>
	<title>Re:Another Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260035220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're an nVidia user, your biggest problem will be adjusting to not having twinview.</p><p>When I tried this a while back, I had to choose seamless desktop (Xinerama) or compositing (separate screens), not both.  Xinerama didn't care how many monitors I had set up and worked great overall, but the lack of compositing was a problem for me.  I was able to use compositing by separating each display, but then I had to run separate window managers on all three displays.</p><p>I ended up going back to two displays, since I didn't see enough benefit from the third to be worth losing either seamlessness or compositing effects (third display was crappy, just used it to test going beyond two monitors).</p><p>Things may be better if you have an ATI card, but don't expect much out of nVidia.  Their drivers don't do shit for you once you go past two monitors and move out of their happy little twinview funland.  Oh, they SAY they'll support RandR one day, maybe, but it's been years and they still haven't.  They're going to keep pushing two displays and their xinerama hack on Linux users until 2020 or beyond, probably.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're an nVidia user , your biggest problem will be adjusting to not having twinview.When I tried this a while back , I had to choose seamless desktop ( Xinerama ) or compositing ( separate screens ) , not both .
Xinerama did n't care how many monitors I had set up and worked great overall , but the lack of compositing was a problem for me .
I was able to use compositing by separating each display , but then I had to run separate window managers on all three displays.I ended up going back to two displays , since I did n't see enough benefit from the third to be worth losing either seamlessness or compositing effects ( third display was crappy , just used it to test going beyond two monitors ) .Things may be better if you have an ATI card , but do n't expect much out of nVidia .
Their drivers do n't do shit for you once you go past two monitors and move out of their happy little twinview funland .
Oh , they SAY they 'll support RandR one day , maybe , but it 's been years and they still have n't .
They 're going to keep pushing two displays and their xinerama hack on Linux users until 2020 or beyond , probably .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're an nVidia user, your biggest problem will be adjusting to not having twinview.When I tried this a while back, I had to choose seamless desktop (Xinerama) or compositing (separate screens), not both.
Xinerama didn't care how many monitors I had set up and worked great overall, but the lack of compositing was a problem for me.
I was able to use compositing by separating each display, but then I had to run separate window managers on all three displays.I ended up going back to two displays, since I didn't see enough benefit from the third to be worth losing either seamlessness or compositing effects (third display was crappy, just used it to test going beyond two monitors).Things may be better if you have an ATI card, but don't expect much out of nVidia.
Their drivers don't do shit for you once you go past two monitors and move out of their happy little twinview funland.
Oh, they SAY they'll support RandR one day, maybe, but it's been years and they still haven't.
They're going to keep pushing two displays and their xinerama hack on Linux users until 2020 or beyond, probably.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342984</id>
	<title>Re:Keyboard Shortcut in GNOME</title>
	<author>heffrey</author>
	<datestamp>1260112680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That sounds like a four fingered shortcut.  That's actually quite a physical challenge to perform it.</p><p>Or do you press ALT+F7, release and then do SHIFT+arrow?  Even so it's not totally trivial.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That sounds like a four fingered shortcut .
That 's actually quite a physical challenge to perform it.Or do you press ALT + F7 , release and then do SHIFT + arrow ?
Even so it 's not totally trivial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That sounds like a four fingered shortcut.
That's actually quite a physical challenge to perform it.Or do you press ALT+F7, release and then do SHIFT+arrow?
Even so it's not totally trivial.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341726</id>
	<title>Re:Another Question</title>
	<author>MostAwesomeDude</author>
	<datestamp>1260131940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Works fine. Compiz doesn't enjoy multicard terribly well, since it only does one GLX context, but yeah, it works.</p><p>The magic incantation to get your cards detected is Xorg -configure, and you should be aware that both fglrx and nvidia are broken rather hard on multicard, so use open drivers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Works fine .
Compiz does n't enjoy multicard terribly well , since it only does one GLX context , but yeah , it works.The magic incantation to get your cards detected is Xorg -configure , and you should be aware that both fglrx and nvidia are broken rather hard on multicard , so use open drivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Works fine.
Compiz doesn't enjoy multicard terribly well, since it only does one GLX context, but yeah, it works.The magic incantation to get your cards detected is Xorg -configure, and you should be aware that both fglrx and nvidia are broken rather hard on multicard, so use open drivers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342494</id>
	<title>Re:enlightenment 17</title>
	<author>Pegasus</author>
	<datestamp>1260104160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, e17 handles multiple monitors in the only way that is logical to me and I simply don't understand why things like Gnome or KDE don't work in the same way.</p><p>For example:<br>With gnome on two monitors I get a workspace that spans both monitors. So I can drag windows from one monitor to another. But when I change virtual desktop, it gets changed on both monitors. That makes the second monitor rather useless.<br>With E17, I get a workspace that spans both monitors with addition that each monitor has its own virtual desktops. So I can drag windows from one monitor to another and when I change virtual desktop, it gets changed only on the current monitor while the other one remains where it was.</p><p>This E17 feature is so important to me that I'm willing to suffer all the other bugs E17 has in order to have a normal, productive environment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , e17 handles multiple monitors in the only way that is logical to me and I simply do n't understand why things like Gnome or KDE do n't work in the same way.For example : With gnome on two monitors I get a workspace that spans both monitors .
So I can drag windows from one monitor to another .
But when I change virtual desktop , it gets changed on both monitors .
That makes the second monitor rather useless.With E17 , I get a workspace that spans both monitors with addition that each monitor has its own virtual desktops .
So I can drag windows from one monitor to another and when I change virtual desktop , it gets changed only on the current monitor while the other one remains where it was.This E17 feature is so important to me that I 'm willing to suffer all the other bugs E17 has in order to have a normal , productive environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, e17 handles multiple monitors in the only way that is logical to me and I simply don't understand why things like Gnome or KDE don't work in the same way.For example:With gnome on two monitors I get a workspace that spans both monitors.
So I can drag windows from one monitor to another.
But when I change virtual desktop, it gets changed on both monitors.
That makes the second monitor rather useless.With E17, I get a workspace that spans both monitors with addition that each monitor has its own virtual desktops.
So I can drag windows from one monitor to another and when I change virtual desktop, it gets changed only on the current monitor while the other one remains where it was.This E17 feature is so important to me that I'm willing to suffer all the other bugs E17 has in order to have a normal, productive environment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340852</id>
	<title>here's my toolchain</title>
	<author>siddesu</author>
	<datestamp>1260030960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>xfce,
xev,
devilspie,
xbindkeys,
xmodmap,
xrandr,
vim,
man. you can do every crazy thing that comes to mind with this, except window wobbling. i haven't had the need for that, hence no tool for it. reading the man pages won't take more than two hours. you can even use emacs or nano instead of vim with the same great result.</htmltext>
<tokenext>xfce , xev , devilspie , xbindkeys , xmodmap , xrandr , vim , man .
you can do every crazy thing that comes to mind with this , except window wobbling .
i have n't had the need for that , hence no tool for it .
reading the man pages wo n't take more than two hours .
you can even use emacs or nano instead of vim with the same great result .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>xfce,
xev,
devilspie,
xbindkeys,
xmodmap,
xrandr,
vim,
man.
you can do every crazy thing that comes to mind with this, except window wobbling.
i haven't had the need for that, hence no tool for it.
reading the man pages won't take more than two hours.
you can even use emacs or nano instead of vim with the same great result.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340910</id>
	<title>Re:Keyboard Shortcut in GNOME</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260031500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Err, that is a really awkward solution.  I imagine OP was looking for something along the lines of what CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+ does with multiple desktops, but across monitors instead.  Of course, as pointed out elsewhere, one solution is just to assign a desktop per monitor.  I don't know of a nice GUI to configure that though, which is also seemingly what the OP is looking for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Err , that is a really awkward solution .
I imagine OP was looking for something along the lines of what CTRL + ALT + SHIFT + does with multiple desktops , but across monitors instead .
Of course , as pointed out elsewhere , one solution is just to assign a desktop per monitor .
I do n't know of a nice GUI to configure that though , which is also seemingly what the OP is looking for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Err, that is a really awkward solution.
I imagine OP was looking for something along the lines of what CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+ does with multiple desktops, but across monitors instead.
Of course, as pointed out elsewhere, one solution is just to assign a desktop per monitor.
I don't know of a nice GUI to configure that though, which is also seemingly what the OP is looking for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30348010</id>
	<title>Re:I hope you're not a troll</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260109200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OP here.</p><p>Yes, I use FVWM and have most of what I want by writing a bunch of functions.</p><p>For the record..  Many people seem to think I'm an idiot here.  Of course I can move windows from screen to screen with the mouse, or even using arrow keys, but I hardly consider that power user type stuff.  With my FVWM functions I can quickly move a window to the same location on another screen, or swap the contents of screen 1 with screen 3, or screen 2 with screen 1 and so on.  None of this is in the main stream window managers or DEs as far as I can tell.</p><p>Perhaps its the titling window managers I need to be looking at next.</p><p>To those who asked about X on 2 video cards.  Yes, its quite easy actually but no compiz for you unless you can get the xgl x server working for you.. But its a dead project.  I do have issues getting any Linux installed in graphical mode with 2 nvidia 9XXX cards installed, but I fall back to text mode for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OP here.Yes , I use FVWM and have most of what I want by writing a bunch of functions.For the record.. Many people seem to think I 'm an idiot here .
Of course I can move windows from screen to screen with the mouse , or even using arrow keys , but I hardly consider that power user type stuff .
With my FVWM functions I can quickly move a window to the same location on another screen , or swap the contents of screen 1 with screen 3 , or screen 2 with screen 1 and so on .
None of this is in the main stream window managers or DEs as far as I can tell.Perhaps its the titling window managers I need to be looking at next.To those who asked about X on 2 video cards .
Yes , its quite easy actually but no compiz for you unless you can get the xgl x server working for you.. But its a dead project .
I do have issues getting any Linux installed in graphical mode with 2 nvidia 9XXX cards installed , but I fall back to text mode for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OP here.Yes, I use FVWM and have most of what I want by writing a bunch of functions.For the record..  Many people seem to think I'm an idiot here.
Of course I can move windows from screen to screen with the mouse, or even using arrow keys, but I hardly consider that power user type stuff.
With my FVWM functions I can quickly move a window to the same location on another screen, or swap the contents of screen 1 with screen 3, or screen 2 with screen 1 and so on.
None of this is in the main stream window managers or DEs as far as I can tell.Perhaps its the titling window managers I need to be looking at next.To those who asked about X on 2 video cards.
Yes, its quite easy actually but no compiz for you unless you can get the xgl x server working for you.. But its a dead project.
I do have issues getting any Linux installed in graphical mode with 2 nvidia 9XXX cards installed, but I fall back to text mode for that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342714</id>
	<title>Re:Partially correct, he is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260108960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 2048x2048 problem is actually your hardware, which puts up the limits. I dunno if the driver can be coerced into giving up it's acceleration, to get a higher resolution, but I doubt you would really like the oh-so-not-fast desktop experience then<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P Also, I guess it's one of the older Intel chipsets you are using there<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</p><p>About NVidia: If you are using the binary drivers, use their tool. The binary blobs don't support xrandr very well, which kind of has become the de-facto standard for multiscreen (and other) X screen configurations. If 3D is unimportant, grab the nouveau driver instead, I had excellent results with it in regard to auto-multi-screen setup (and xrandr support, heck, I even tried upside down screens and whatnot with it, although this is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... experimental<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p>On my laptop, which has a newer Intel chipset, things are working flawless so far. I admit I just use the xrandr tool, no fancy looking helper app of Gnome or KDE, but they should be able to handle it well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 2048x2048 problem is actually your hardware , which puts up the limits .
I dunno if the driver can be coerced into giving up it 's acceleration , to get a higher resolution , but I doubt you would really like the oh-so-not-fast desktop experience then : -P Also , I guess it 's one of the older Intel chipsets you are using there ... : -PAbout NVidia : If you are using the binary drivers , use their tool .
The binary blobs do n't support xrandr very well , which kind of has become the de-facto standard for multiscreen ( and other ) X screen configurations .
If 3D is unimportant , grab the nouveau driver instead , I had excellent results with it in regard to auto-multi-screen setup ( and xrandr support , heck , I even tried upside down screens and whatnot with it , although this is ... experimental ; - ) On my laptop , which has a newer Intel chipset , things are working flawless so far .
I admit I just use the xrandr tool , no fancy looking helper app of Gnome or KDE , but they should be able to handle it well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 2048x2048 problem is actually your hardware, which puts up the limits.
I dunno if the driver can be coerced into giving up it's acceleration, to get a higher resolution, but I doubt you would really like the oh-so-not-fast desktop experience then :-P Also, I guess it's one of the older Intel chipsets you are using there ... :-PAbout NVidia: If you are using the binary drivers, use their tool.
The binary blobs don't support xrandr very well, which kind of has become the de-facto standard for multiscreen (and other) X screen configurations.
If 3D is unimportant, grab the nouveau driver instead, I had excellent results with it in regard to auto-multi-screen setup (and xrandr support, heck, I even tried upside down screens and whatnot with it, although this is ... experimental ;-)On my laptop, which has a newer Intel chipset, things are working flawless so far.
I admit I just use the xrandr tool, no fancy looking helper app of Gnome or KDE, but they should be able to handle it well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340660</id>
	<title>Re:Another Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260028320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've heard anecdotal stories that Compiz can't cross video cards.</p></div><p>
Compiz doesn't really have the problem here. It's the driver's problem. Specifically, on certain Intel video chips, there's a limit to the size of the framebuffer you can have with DRI, which Compiz requires. 2048x2048 was the limit, which is pretty hard to fit two-three monitors into with reasonable resolution, especially with the Widescreen Monitor Proliferation we've seen in the past decade. IIRC, this has been fixed with later drivers ("shatter" fb, which does exactly what it sounds like it does, was the solution I remember hearing about), but it plagued many for a very long time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've heard anecdotal stories that Compiz ca n't cross video cards .
Compiz does n't really have the problem here .
It 's the driver 's problem .
Specifically , on certain Intel video chips , there 's a limit to the size of the framebuffer you can have with DRI , which Compiz requires .
2048x2048 was the limit , which is pretty hard to fit two-three monitors into with reasonable resolution , especially with the Widescreen Monitor Proliferation we 've seen in the past decade .
IIRC , this has been fixed with later drivers ( " shatter " fb , which does exactly what it sounds like it does , was the solution I remember hearing about ) , but it plagued many for a very long time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard anecdotal stories that Compiz can't cross video cards.
Compiz doesn't really have the problem here.
It's the driver's problem.
Specifically, on certain Intel video chips, there's a limit to the size of the framebuffer you can have with DRI, which Compiz requires.
2048x2048 was the limit, which is pretty hard to fit two-three monitors into with reasonable resolution, especially with the Widescreen Monitor Proliferation we've seen in the past decade.
IIRC, this has been fixed with later drivers ("shatter" fb, which does exactly what it sounds like it does, was the solution I remember hearing about), but it plagued many for a very long time.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340900</id>
	<title>Re:Keyboard Shortcut in GNOME</title>
	<author>vegiVamp</author>
	<datestamp>1260031440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Doesn't seem to work for me, on Ubuntu 8.10.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't seem to work for me , on Ubuntu 8.10 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't seem to work for me, on Ubuntu 8.10.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342704</id>
	<title>Re:Another Question</title>
	<author>Lord Byron II</author>
	<datestamp>1260108780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh really? I'm just going with what I read on another forum. I thought Compiz was the thing that makes my desktop a rotating cube, but if its not, then I stand corrected.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh really ?
I 'm just going with what I read on another forum .
I thought Compiz was the thing that makes my desktop a rotating cube , but if its not , then I stand corrected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh really?
I'm just going with what I read on another forum.
I thought Compiz was the thing that makes my desktop a rotating cube, but if its not, then I stand corrected.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340450</id>
	<title>Tiling Window Managers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260026040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>When using Xinerama (which you really ought to be if you want control over your multi-screen setup), many tiling window managers can do all sorts of neat things. I personally use <a href="http://awesome.naquadah.org/" title="naquadah.org">Awesome</a> [naquadah.org], although I'm told that <a href="http://xmonad.org/" title="xmonad.org">xmonad</a> [xmonad.org] is also good at this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When using Xinerama ( which you really ought to be if you want control over your multi-screen setup ) , many tiling window managers can do all sorts of neat things .
I personally use Awesome [ naquadah.org ] , although I 'm told that xmonad [ xmonad.org ] is also good at this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When using Xinerama (which you really ought to be if you want control over your multi-screen setup), many tiling window managers can do all sorts of neat things.
I personally use Awesome [naquadah.org], although I'm told that xmonad [xmonad.org] is also good at this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341608</id>
	<title>KDE</title>
	<author>SwedishPenguin</author>
	<datestamp>1260042600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Keyboard shortcuts for moving the window to another screen: System Settings-&gt;Keyboard &amp; Mouse-&gt;Global Keyboard Shortcuts-&gt;Select KWin-&gt;type screen in the search field to filter out all the screen shortcuts, including moving a window to the next screen and to an arbitrary screen and moving focus between screens.<br>KDE also has screen specific wallpaper functionality (which from what I understand Windows 7 does not) and of you can of course have multiple taskbars if you wish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Keyboard shortcuts for moving the window to another screen : System Settings- &gt; Keyboard &amp; Mouse- &gt; Global Keyboard Shortcuts- &gt; Select KWin- &gt; type screen in the search field to filter out all the screen shortcuts , including moving a window to the next screen and to an arbitrary screen and moving focus between screens.KDE also has screen specific wallpaper functionality ( which from what I understand Windows 7 does not ) and of you can of course have multiple taskbars if you wish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keyboard shortcuts for moving the window to another screen: System Settings-&gt;Keyboard &amp; Mouse-&gt;Global Keyboard Shortcuts-&gt;Select KWin-&gt;type screen in the search field to filter out all the screen shortcuts, including moving a window to the next screen and to an arbitrary screen and moving focus between screens.KDE also has screen specific wallpaper functionality (which from what I understand Windows 7 does not) and of you can of course have multiple taskbars if you wish.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341122</id>
	<title>Not A Shock</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1260034800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>         Usually development follows demand. Since the numbers of people wanting to use multiple monitors with the options is quite small it is no shock that little work is done in that area. If it were for a commercial OS such as Windows think of how much each buyer might be asked to pay for such a program.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Usually development follows demand .
Since the numbers of people wanting to use multiple monitors with the options is quite small it is no shock that little work is done in that area .
If it were for a commercial OS such as Windows think of how much each buyer might be asked to pay for such a program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>         Usually development follows demand.
Since the numbers of people wanting to use multiple monitors with the options is quite small it is no shock that little work is done in that area.
If it were for a commercial OS such as Windows think of how much each buyer might be asked to pay for such a program.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341644</id>
	<title>What about the text console?</title>
	<author>VanessaE</author>
	<datestamp>1260130020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If there's one thing I've wanted for as long as I've used Linux, it's multiple monitor support on the regular, plain text console.  I use a dual-head nVidia card, which works fine under X, but console mode has always been a let-down.  One monitor always displays a normal console, while the other usually ends up displaying whatever I saw perhaps 10 minutes prior (as if it is showing part of the other monitor's scrollback buffer).</p><p>So, each can clearly show unique content in text mode, but does any tool exist that can bring some order to it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there 's one thing I 've wanted for as long as I 've used Linux , it 's multiple monitor support on the regular , plain text console .
I use a dual-head nVidia card , which works fine under X , but console mode has always been a let-down .
One monitor always displays a normal console , while the other usually ends up displaying whatever I saw perhaps 10 minutes prior ( as if it is showing part of the other monitor 's scrollback buffer ) .So , each can clearly show unique content in text mode , but does any tool exist that can bring some order to it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there's one thing I've wanted for as long as I've used Linux, it's multiple monitor support on the regular, plain text console.
I use a dual-head nVidia card, which works fine under X, but console mode has always been a let-down.
One monitor always displays a normal console, while the other usually ends up displaying whatever I saw perhaps 10 minutes prior (as if it is showing part of the other monitor's scrollback buffer).So, each can clearly show unique content in text mode, but does any tool exist that can bring some order to it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341840</id>
	<title>Virtual Workspaces</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260090720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would be nice to have a concept that I'll call virtual-workspaces with multi-viewport.</p><p>If you have two monitors and four workspaces it would be nice to be able to assign each monitor to the workspace of choice.</p><p>So you might see the same workspace on the two monitors or workspace 1 and 2 or 2 and 3 or even 1 and 3 on the monitors.</p><p>Much like what is possible now, but with more integration between workspaces and monitors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be nice to have a concept that I 'll call virtual-workspaces with multi-viewport.If you have two monitors and four workspaces it would be nice to be able to assign each monitor to the workspace of choice.So you might see the same workspace on the two monitors or workspace 1 and 2 or 2 and 3 or even 1 and 3 on the monitors.Much like what is possible now , but with more integration between workspaces and monitors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be nice to have a concept that I'll call virtual-workspaces with multi-viewport.If you have two monitors and four workspaces it would be nice to be able to assign each monitor to the workspace of choice.So you might see the same workspace on the two monitors or workspace 1 and 2 or 2 and 3 or even 1 and 3 on the monitors.Much like what is possible now, but with more integration between workspaces and monitors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30342466</id>
	<title>Re:Another Question</title>
	<author>mugginz</author>
	<datestamp>1260103560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can have as many cards and screens as you can fit, but note one thing;<br>
<br>
To use more than one card in a multi-monitor setup and be able to move windows from one screen to the other you'll need to use Xinerama.<br>
<br>
But the use Xinerama disables compositing.  That means no wobbly windows, compiz, etc.<br>
<br>
There's a hack to fudge around that by using Xorg over xserver-xgl but it isn't perfect though.<br>
<br>
I've only had it running with KDE successfully.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://mugginix.com/articles/2009/Nov/12/Xinerama\_Composite\_Fail/" title="mugginix.com" rel="nofollow">http://mugginix.com/articles/2009/Nov/12/Xinerama\_Composite\_Fail/</a> [mugginix.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can have as many cards and screens as you can fit , but note one thing ; To use more than one card in a multi-monitor setup and be able to move windows from one screen to the other you 'll need to use Xinerama .
But the use Xinerama disables compositing .
That means no wobbly windows , compiz , etc .
There 's a hack to fudge around that by using Xorg over xserver-xgl but it is n't perfect though .
I 've only had it running with KDE successfully .
http : //mugginix.com/articles/2009/Nov/12/Xinerama \ _Composite \ _Fail/ [ mugginix.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can have as many cards and screens as you can fit, but note one thing;

To use more than one card in a multi-monitor setup and be able to move windows from one screen to the other you'll need to use Xinerama.
But the use Xinerama disables compositing.
That means no wobbly windows, compiz, etc.
There's a hack to fudge around that by using Xorg over xserver-xgl but it isn't perfect though.
I've only had it running with KDE successfully.
http://mugginix.com/articles/2009/Nov/12/Xinerama\_Composite\_Fail/ [mugginix.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340430</id>
	<title>no luck with four monitors and triplehead2go</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260025860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i do multimedia work and use a matrox triplehead2go for video and audio editing. i use three screens across the triplehead2go for my timelines and various resource viewing. my graphics card is a dualhead, so i use a fourth monitor for my video display when editing or syncing audio to video. i'm on a mac pro. it was my intention to try working with one of the linux multimedia distros but getting this configuration to work was pretty much impossible for me and help has been pretty much impossible to find in various forums.</p><p>i've had to give up on linux for the time being for this kind of work and stick with windoze and apple as they both work with this setup out of the box.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i do multimedia work and use a matrox triplehead2go for video and audio editing .
i use three screens across the triplehead2go for my timelines and various resource viewing .
my graphics card is a dualhead , so i use a fourth monitor for my video display when editing or syncing audio to video .
i 'm on a mac pro .
it was my intention to try working with one of the linux multimedia distros but getting this configuration to work was pretty much impossible for me and help has been pretty much impossible to find in various forums.i 've had to give up on linux for the time being for this kind of work and stick with windoze and apple as they both work with this setup out of the box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i do multimedia work and use a matrox triplehead2go for video and audio editing.
i use three screens across the triplehead2go for my timelines and various resource viewing.
my graphics card is a dualhead, so i use a fourth monitor for my video display when editing or syncing audio to video.
i'm on a mac pro.
it was my intention to try working with one of the linux multimedia distros but getting this configuration to work was pretty much impossible for me and help has been pretty much impossible to find in various forums.i've had to give up on linux for the time being for this kind of work and stick with windoze and apple as they both work with this setup out of the box.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30345082</id>
	<title>Re:Tiling</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260131040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well said. Try ion3 (google for "ion3"). The author who wrote ion3 was among the first to come up with tiling window managers (the original was his PWM), and ion3 is just<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/fantastic/ from every point of view possible. I think it's the most perfect window manager out there. It's got a very rich feature set, has been<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/very/ thoughtfully designed, and the author responds to email on the mailing list immediately and consistently.</p><p>Ironically, the author of ion3 hates Xinerama and calls it a hack, and has removed<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/official/ support for it. You can re-enable it extremely easily with the xinerama module, easily found at <a href="http://wannabehacker.com/repos/mod\_xinerama-3/" title="wannabehacker.com" rel="nofollow">http://wannabehacker.com/repos/mod\_xinerama-3/</a> [wannabehacker.com] </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well said .
Try ion3 ( google for " ion3 " ) .
The author who wrote ion3 was among the first to come up with tiling window managers ( the original was his PWM ) , and ion3 is just /fantastic/ from every point of view possible .
I think it 's the most perfect window manager out there .
It 's got a very rich feature set , has been /very/ thoughtfully designed , and the author responds to email on the mailing list immediately and consistently.Ironically , the author of ion3 hates Xinerama and calls it a hack , and has removed /official/ support for it .
You can re-enable it extremely easily with the xinerama module , easily found at http : //wannabehacker.com/repos/mod \ _xinerama-3/ [ wannabehacker.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well said.
Try ion3 (google for "ion3").
The author who wrote ion3 was among the first to come up with tiling window managers (the original was his PWM), and ion3 is just /fantastic/ from every point of view possible.
I think it's the most perfect window manager out there.
It's got a very rich feature set, has been /very/ thoughtfully designed, and the author responds to email on the mailing list immediately and consistently.Ironically, the author of ion3 hates Xinerama and calls it a hack, and has removed /official/ support for it.
You can re-enable it extremely easily with the xinerama module, easily found at http://wannabehacker.com/repos/mod\_xinerama-3/ [wannabehacker.com] </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341234</id>
	<title>Xmonad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260036540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Xmonad is really fantastic with multihead, moving windows (and whole desktops) between screens is a snap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Xmonad is really fantastic with multihead , moving windows ( and whole desktops ) between screens is a snap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Xmonad is really fantastic with multihead, moving windows (and whole desktops) between screens is a snap.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340838</id>
	<title>multiple monitors with FVWM for a long time</title>
	<author>bigogre</author>
	<datestamp>1260030720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using FVWM with multiple monitors for years.  xrandr has simplified things considerably.  I can drag from one monitor to another with no problem.  Below is my current xorg.conf (note that I am running on Fedora 10).  You can use a Radeon card by changing the driver to 'radeon'.  Use 'lspci' to get the appropriate BusID for your card(s).  There may be simpler solutions but this has worked well for me.</p><p>And for those saying to use a different window manager please note that FVWM has not stood still but is still true to the name it had when I began using it 15 years ago: the Frugal Virtual Window manager.  It is frugal with regards to RAM and CPU use.  I also like it because I can edit a file (gasp) to modify the configuration.  For old farts like me that's a plus.  YMMV.</p><p>Section "InputDevice"<br># keyboard added by rhpxl<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Identifier "Generic Keyboard"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Driver "kbd"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Option "XkbModel" "pc105"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Option "XkbLayout" "us"<br>EndSection</p><p>Section "Monitor"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Identifier "DVI0"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Option "Enable" "true"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Option "DPMS"<br>EndSection</p><p>Section "Monitor"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Identifier "DVI1"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Option "LeftOf" "DVI0"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Option "Enable" "true"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Option "DPMS"<br>EndSection</p><p>Section "Device"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Identifier "nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Driver "nv"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BusID "PCI:1:00:0"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; #Option "Monitor-DVI0" "DVI1"<br>EndSection</p><p>Section "Screen"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Identifier "Default Screen"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Device "nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; DefaultDepth 24<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; SubSection "Display"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Depth 24<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Virtual 3840 1200<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; EndSubSection<br>EndSection</p><p>Section "ServerLayout"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Identifier "Default Layout"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Screen "Default Screen"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"<br>EndSection</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using FVWM with multiple monitors for years .
xrandr has simplified things considerably .
I can drag from one monitor to another with no problem .
Below is my current xorg.conf ( note that I am running on Fedora 10 ) .
You can use a Radeon card by changing the driver to 'radeon' .
Use 'lspci ' to get the appropriate BusID for your card ( s ) .
There may be simpler solutions but this has worked well for me.And for those saying to use a different window manager please note that FVWM has not stood still but is still true to the name it had when I began using it 15 years ago : the Frugal Virtual Window manager .
It is frugal with regards to RAM and CPU use .
I also like it because I can edit a file ( gasp ) to modify the configuration .
For old farts like me that 's a plus .
YMMV.Section " InputDevice " # keyboard added by rhpxl                 Identifier " Generic Keyboard "                 Driver " kbd "                 Option " XkbModel " " pc105 "                 Option " XkbLayout " " us " EndSectionSection " Monitor "                 Identifier " DVI0 "                 Option " Enable " " true "                 Option " DPMS " EndSectionSection " Monitor "                 Identifier " DVI1 "                 Option " LeftOf " " DVI0 "                 Option " Enable " " true "                 Option " DPMS " EndSectionSection " Device "                 Identifier " nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT "                 Driver " nv "                 BusID " PCI : 1 : 00 : 0 "                 # Option " Monitor-DVI0 " " DVI1 " EndSectionSection " Screen "                 Identifier " Default Screen "                 Device " nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT "                 DefaultDepth 24                 SubSection " Display "                                 Depth 24                                 Virtual 3840 1200                 EndSubSectionEndSectionSection " ServerLayout "                 Identifier " Default Layout "                 Screen " Default Screen "                 InputDevice " Generic Keyboard " EndSection</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using FVWM with multiple monitors for years.
xrandr has simplified things considerably.
I can drag from one monitor to another with no problem.
Below is my current xorg.conf (note that I am running on Fedora 10).
You can use a Radeon card by changing the driver to 'radeon'.
Use 'lspci' to get the appropriate BusID for your card(s).
There may be simpler solutions but this has worked well for me.And for those saying to use a different window manager please note that FVWM has not stood still but is still true to the name it had when I began using it 15 years ago: the Frugal Virtual Window manager.
It is frugal with regards to RAM and CPU use.
I also like it because I can edit a file (gasp) to modify the configuration.
For old farts like me that's a plus.
YMMV.Section "InputDevice"# keyboard added by rhpxl
                Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
                Driver "kbd"
                Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
                Option "XkbLayout" "us"EndSectionSection "Monitor"
                Identifier "DVI0"
                Option "Enable" "true"
                Option "DPMS"EndSectionSection "Monitor"
                Identifier "DVI1"
                Option "LeftOf" "DVI0"
                Option "Enable" "true"
                Option "DPMS"EndSectionSection "Device"
                Identifier "nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT"
                Driver "nv"
                BusID "PCI:1:00:0"
                #Option "Monitor-DVI0" "DVI1"EndSectionSection "Screen"
                Identifier "Default Screen"
                Device "nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT"
                DefaultDepth 24
                SubSection "Display"
                                Depth 24
                                Virtual 3840 1200
                EndSubSectionEndSectionSection "ServerLayout"
                Identifier "Default Layout"
                Screen "Default Screen"
                InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"EndSection</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341194</id>
	<title>Re:Partially correct, he is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260036000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking of common dual-monitor problems: with a virtual desktop and unequally-sized screens, you get a mystery area that you are allowed to mouse into (but obviously can't see on your monitors). This is frustrating on a number of levels, and while I've found many complaints about this problem, I've never found a good solution for getting the mouse behavior right.  (Windows, for example, just blocks off the area so you can only mouse in the L-shaped area your monitors cover). It's a major issue for me because I use the edge of the screen to bound my mouse movements all the time; with the mouse flying off into nothingness, I mis-click constantly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking of common dual-monitor problems : with a virtual desktop and unequally-sized screens , you get a mystery area that you are allowed to mouse into ( but obviously ca n't see on your monitors ) .
This is frustrating on a number of levels , and while I 've found many complaints about this problem , I 've never found a good solution for getting the mouse behavior right .
( Windows , for example , just blocks off the area so you can only mouse in the L-shaped area your monitors cover ) .
It 's a major issue for me because I use the edge of the screen to bound my mouse movements all the time ; with the mouse flying off into nothingness , I mis-click constantly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking of common dual-monitor problems: with a virtual desktop and unequally-sized screens, you get a mystery area that you are allowed to mouse into (but obviously can't see on your monitors).
This is frustrating on a number of levels, and while I've found many complaints about this problem, I've never found a good solution for getting the mouse behavior right.
(Windows, for example, just blocks off the area so you can only mouse in the L-shaped area your monitors cover).
It's a major issue for me because I use the edge of the screen to bound my mouse movements all the time; with the mouse flying off into nothingness, I mis-click constantly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30344048</id>
	<title>Try Compiz</title>
	<author>Barryke</author>
	<datestamp>1260123600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cardinal solution:<br>1) Use nvidia.<br>2) Install Ubuntu.<br>3) Try Compiz.</p><p>I use 4 virtual dualmonitor desktops this way. The whole user experience will blow you away.<br>PS: disable the wobbly effect, its useless and makes throwing windows difficult.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cardinal solution : 1 ) Use nvidia.2 ) Install Ubuntu.3 ) Try Compiz.I use 4 virtual dualmonitor desktops this way .
The whole user experience will blow you away.PS : disable the wobbly effect , its useless and makes throwing windows difficult .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cardinal solution:1) Use nvidia.2) Install Ubuntu.3) Try Compiz.I use 4 virtual dualmonitor desktops this way.
The whole user experience will blow you away.PS: disable the wobbly effect, its useless and makes throwing windows difficult.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340710</id>
	<title>Partially correct, he is</title>
	<author>udippel</author>
	<datestamp>1260029100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's not pretend there was no problem with multiple monitors at times.<br>To me, Linux has been ready for the desktop for 10 years, and I've been using it almost exclusively. So, that's said.<br>Though, using dual monitor out of the box has failed me at the first instance a good number of times. And that's far away from perfect. Because <b>I</b> know how to handle Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf; and <b>I</b> know where to post for help; but Aunty Tilly doesn't.</p><p>Example 1: 1600x1200 next to 1024x768, Gnome, year:2009. Failed. Took me a few hours until I found a filed bug, that Xorg would not accept a higher resolution of the virtual desktop than 2048x2048. Placing 1600x1200 above 1024x768 finally worked; based on Gnome's GUI. Still not good.</p><p>Example 2: Playing with KDE (4.3.2-4), that same thing doesn't. The desktop configuration applet (Computer Administration-&gt;Display) simply doesn't allow to un-mirror the two screens; contrary to the 'Display' applet in Gnome. Another need to resort to Google, and a forum. Solution: I need to issue a number of xrandr commands to split the two displays to show separate content. Not good.</p><p>Example 3: Having another box with Nvidia-card with TV out. The same KDE (4.3.2-4) applet simply is not aware of the TV output. It shows one standard display, the LCD monitor. Over. Of course, the Nvidia-applet works fine, doing anything with the TV of my liking. But it would require the user to <b>know</b> that she uses a Nvidia card, and that there is another applet that she needs to use. Not good.</p><p>The problem, AFAIK, is not that on Linux one couldn't; but one can't, once too often, not simply out of the box.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's not pretend there was no problem with multiple monitors at times.To me , Linux has been ready for the desktop for 10 years , and I 've been using it almost exclusively .
So , that 's said.Though , using dual monitor out of the box has failed me at the first instance a good number of times .
And that 's far away from perfect .
Because I know how to handle Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf ; and I know where to post for help ; but Aunty Tilly does n't.Example 1 : 1600x1200 next to 1024x768 , Gnome , year : 2009 .
Failed. Took me a few hours until I found a filed bug , that Xorg would not accept a higher resolution of the virtual desktop than 2048x2048 .
Placing 1600x1200 above 1024x768 finally worked ; based on Gnome 's GUI .
Still not good.Example 2 : Playing with KDE ( 4.3.2-4 ) , that same thing does n't .
The desktop configuration applet ( Computer Administration- &gt; Display ) simply does n't allow to un-mirror the two screens ; contrary to the 'Display ' applet in Gnome .
Another need to resort to Google , and a forum .
Solution : I need to issue a number of xrandr commands to split the two displays to show separate content .
Not good.Example 3 : Having another box with Nvidia-card with TV out .
The same KDE ( 4.3.2-4 ) applet simply is not aware of the TV output .
It shows one standard display , the LCD monitor .
Over. Of course , the Nvidia-applet works fine , doing anything with the TV of my liking .
But it would require the user to know that she uses a Nvidia card , and that there is another applet that she needs to use .
Not good.The problem , AFAIK , is not that on Linux one could n't ; but one ca n't , once too often , not simply out of the box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's not pretend there was no problem with multiple monitors at times.To me, Linux has been ready for the desktop for 10 years, and I've been using it almost exclusively.
So, that's said.Though, using dual monitor out of the box has failed me at the first instance a good number of times.
And that's far away from perfect.
Because I know how to handle Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf; and I know where to post for help; but Aunty Tilly doesn't.Example 1: 1600x1200 next to 1024x768, Gnome, year:2009.
Failed. Took me a few hours until I found a filed bug, that Xorg would not accept a higher resolution of the virtual desktop than 2048x2048.
Placing 1600x1200 above 1024x768 finally worked; based on Gnome's GUI.
Still not good.Example 2: Playing with KDE (4.3.2-4), that same thing doesn't.
The desktop configuration applet (Computer Administration-&gt;Display) simply doesn't allow to un-mirror the two screens; contrary to the 'Display' applet in Gnome.
Another need to resort to Google, and a forum.
Solution: I need to issue a number of xrandr commands to split the two displays to show separate content.
Not good.Example 3: Having another box with Nvidia-card with TV out.
The same KDE (4.3.2-4) applet simply is not aware of the TV output.
It shows one standard display, the LCD monitor.
Over. Of course, the Nvidia-applet works fine, doing anything with the TV of my liking.
But it would require the user to know that she uses a Nvidia card, and that there is another applet that she needs to use.
Not good.The problem, AFAIK, is not that on Linux one couldn't; but one can't, once too often, not simply out of the box.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340548</id>
	<title>Your problem is your window manager...</title>
	<author>ScytheBlade1</author>
	<datestamp>1260027120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're looking for another tool to add functionality to your window manager, when in reality that's your problem. Either patch the window manager to add this or switch to a remotely modern (or featured, or whatever) window manager.<br>
<br>
I've used KDE for years and it has very advanced keybinds to move windows pretty much anywhere. I can resize and move windows with just my keyboard. It has had this functionality much longer than windows ever had. Your only problem is the window manager. Linux isn't lacking in these power tools, you just aren't using them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're looking for another tool to add functionality to your window manager , when in reality that 's your problem .
Either patch the window manager to add this or switch to a remotely modern ( or featured , or whatever ) window manager .
I 've used KDE for years and it has very advanced keybinds to move windows pretty much anywhere .
I can resize and move windows with just my keyboard .
It has had this functionality much longer than windows ever had .
Your only problem is the window manager .
Linux is n't lacking in these power tools , you just are n't using them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're looking for another tool to add functionality to your window manager, when in reality that's your problem.
Either patch the window manager to add this or switch to a remotely modern (or featured, or whatever) window manager.
I've used KDE for years and it has very advanced keybinds to move windows pretty much anywhere.
I can resize and move windows with just my keyboard.
It has had this functionality much longer than windows ever had.
Your only problem is the window manager.
Linux isn't lacking in these power tools, you just aren't using them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30340510</id>
	<title>The whole point of OSS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260026640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... Is that you contribute your handy code back in, so that everyone else gets the benefit of it - so give your modifications back to FVWM, that way if you need to install a new machine later, you won't have to repeat the work. Also, the other people using FVWM will have something handy.</p><p>As to your question, well - most everyone uses windows managers other than FVWM these days, and most all of those are multiple-desktop awake, as the other posts around here will tell you.</p><p>That doesn't mean you shouldn't still contribute back to FVWM though - if you're finding it useful then it does have value.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... Is that you contribute your handy code back in , so that everyone else gets the benefit of it - so give your modifications back to FVWM , that way if you need to install a new machine later , you wo n't have to repeat the work .
Also , the other people using FVWM will have something handy.As to your question , well - most everyone uses windows managers other than FVWM these days , and most all of those are multiple-desktop awake , as the other posts around here will tell you.That does n't mean you should n't still contribute back to FVWM though - if you 're finding it useful then it does have value .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... Is that you contribute your handy code back in, so that everyone else gets the benefit of it - so give your modifications back to FVWM, that way if you need to install a new machine later, you won't have to repeat the work.
Also, the other people using FVWM will have something handy.As to your question, well - most everyone uses windows managers other than FVWM these days, and most all of those are multiple-desktop awake, as the other posts around here will tell you.That doesn't mean you shouldn't still contribute back to FVWM though - if you're finding it useful then it does have value.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341924</id>
	<title>Right now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260092400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right now, I'm starting at two monitors, running Ubuntu.  The mouse moves seamlessly between the two.  I can drag windows from one to another.  I can expand a window (any window, or multiple overlapping windows) to cover both windows at the same time (as I typed this, I dragged one side of this email client across to cover half of the other monitor.  I have a TV application (digital tv) running on half of that monitor, and I didn't want to cover it up... but if I kept dragging I would have.  I can set each monitor to be independent of the other, or as I have it now I can have one gigantic virtual display (each monitor is set to different resolutions, one monitor is a Syncmaster 172N that only does 1280x1024, the other is a Syncmaster P2270, its resolution is 1920x1080 (and I have it set there).  If I have one app stretched across both, Firefox doesn't go to the bottom of the bigger resolution screen.  If I dragged to the bottom of the higher resolution screen, some would be cut off from the lower resolution screen.  If I transfer a full screen app from one display to another, and it only fills one display, it will automagically resize to full screen on the other display (filling the full display without cutting anything off).  Linux has done this for years.  Is that what you meant?  There are other configurations too (I could have one ginormous display, treated as a single screen across two monitors, but ultimately some data might be lost because of the different physical screen sizes and the way it works now.  It could automagically fix things I suppose, but that s one thing it doesn't do now.  Everything else it already does.  It can do it with multiple video cards too, and I've heard of displays (massive video walls) where thousands of monitors are connected in simultaneous use.  Works for me.  Does a good job.  Crisp, clean, fast.  Oh and I use Gnome (why are you using FVWM again?).  I've ran KDE (I just prefer Gnome).  But I 've also used compiz and compiz fusion (on both) because I was looking for more eye candy than I could get from macs or windows (again, thats just me).  Hope this clears a few things up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right now , I 'm starting at two monitors , running Ubuntu .
The mouse moves seamlessly between the two .
I can drag windows from one to another .
I can expand a window ( any window , or multiple overlapping windows ) to cover both windows at the same time ( as I typed this , I dragged one side of this email client across to cover half of the other monitor .
I have a TV application ( digital tv ) running on half of that monitor , and I did n't want to cover it up... but if I kept dragging I would have .
I can set each monitor to be independent of the other , or as I have it now I can have one gigantic virtual display ( each monitor is set to different resolutions , one monitor is a Syncmaster 172N that only does 1280x1024 , the other is a Syncmaster P2270 , its resolution is 1920x1080 ( and I have it set there ) .
If I have one app stretched across both , Firefox does n't go to the bottom of the bigger resolution screen .
If I dragged to the bottom of the higher resolution screen , some would be cut off from the lower resolution screen .
If I transfer a full screen app from one display to another , and it only fills one display , it will automagically resize to full screen on the other display ( filling the full display without cutting anything off ) .
Linux has done this for years .
Is that what you meant ?
There are other configurations too ( I could have one ginormous display , treated as a single screen across two monitors , but ultimately some data might be lost because of the different physical screen sizes and the way it works now .
It could automagically fix things I suppose , but that s one thing it does n't do now .
Everything else it already does .
It can do it with multiple video cards too , and I 've heard of displays ( massive video walls ) where thousands of monitors are connected in simultaneous use .
Works for me .
Does a good job .
Crisp , clean , fast .
Oh and I use Gnome ( why are you using FVWM again ? ) .
I 've ran KDE ( I just prefer Gnome ) .
But I 've also used compiz and compiz fusion ( on both ) because I was looking for more eye candy than I could get from macs or windows ( again , thats just me ) .
Hope this clears a few things up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right now, I'm starting at two monitors, running Ubuntu.
The mouse moves seamlessly between the two.
I can drag windows from one to another.
I can expand a window (any window, or multiple overlapping windows) to cover both windows at the same time (as I typed this, I dragged one side of this email client across to cover half of the other monitor.
I have a TV application (digital tv) running on half of that monitor, and I didn't want to cover it up... but if I kept dragging I would have.
I can set each monitor to be independent of the other, or as I have it now I can have one gigantic virtual display (each monitor is set to different resolutions, one monitor is a Syncmaster 172N that only does 1280x1024, the other is a Syncmaster P2270, its resolution is 1920x1080 (and I have it set there).
If I have one app stretched across both, Firefox doesn't go to the bottom of the bigger resolution screen.
If I dragged to the bottom of the higher resolution screen, some would be cut off from the lower resolution screen.
If I transfer a full screen app from one display to another, and it only fills one display, it will automagically resize to full screen on the other display (filling the full display without cutting anything off).
Linux has done this for years.
Is that what you meant?
There are other configurations too (I could have one ginormous display, treated as a single screen across two monitors, but ultimately some data might be lost because of the different physical screen sizes and the way it works now.
It could automagically fix things I suppose, but that s one thing it doesn't do now.
Everything else it already does.
It can do it with multiple video cards too, and I've heard of displays (massive video walls) where thousands of monitors are connected in simultaneous use.
Works for me.
Does a good job.
Crisp, clean, fast.
Oh and I use Gnome (why are you using FVWM again?).
I've ran KDE (I just prefer Gnome).
But I 've also used compiz and compiz fusion (on both) because I was looking for more eye candy than I could get from macs or windows (again, thats just me).
Hope this clears a few things up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30341028</id>
	<title>Pretty common really.</title>
	<author>Sxooter</author>
	<datestamp>1260033360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last place I worked we had two monitors for every developer, and we had about 40 developers.  Place I work now has 4 developers, and 3 have 2 monitors and 1 has 3 monitors.  The one thing we found in both places is that older Nvidia cards work best.  7800 series, stuff like that.  Get the latest cards and you'll pull your hair out trying to get them to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last place I worked we had two monitors for every developer , and we had about 40 developers .
Place I work now has 4 developers , and 3 have 2 monitors and 1 has 3 monitors .
The one thing we found in both places is that older Nvidia cards work best .
7800 series , stuff like that .
Get the latest cards and you 'll pull your hair out trying to get them to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last place I worked we had two monitors for every developer, and we had about 40 developers.
Place I work now has 4 developers, and 3 have 2 monitors and 1 has 3 monitors.
The one thing we found in both places is that older Nvidia cards work best.
7800 series, stuff like that.
Get the latest cards and you'll pull your hair out trying to get them to work.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30349566</id>
	<title>Re:xmonad window manager for multiple displays</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1260124200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking for myself, I just can't get used to the Xmonad (or other tiling WMs) way of use.  For example, imagine I'm using a web browser and want to open an xterm to quickly type in a couple commands I'm grabbing from a website.  A tiling WM only has two choices:  Split horizontal, or split vertical, with one window getting X\% of the space, and the other getting (100-X)\%.  But such an arrangement is quite awkward... you either get two skinny, tall windows, or two short, extremely wide ones.  Either way, the arrangement is highly suboptimal.</p><p>And then there's all the apps that just don't fit well in a tiled environment.  Gimp, Pidgin, and Gnome Do are the first that come to mind, but I'm sure there are *many* others.  And in the case of Xmonad, the only way to work around that is to explicitly configure those apps to work in a floating mode, which itself isn't all that pretty...</p><p>Now, maybe Bluetile (which has been integrated into Xmonad) will solve some of these issues, as it seems to do a great job of marrying tiled and floating layouts so that you can easily switch between the two paradigms.  Unfortunately, it's rather immature, not to mention lacking in documentation (for example, there must be a way to turn off their toolbar thinger, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking for myself , I just ca n't get used to the Xmonad ( or other tiling WMs ) way of use .
For example , imagine I 'm using a web browser and want to open an xterm to quickly type in a couple commands I 'm grabbing from a website .
A tiling WM only has two choices : Split horizontal , or split vertical , with one window getting X \ % of the space , and the other getting ( 100-X ) \ % .
But such an arrangement is quite awkward... you either get two skinny , tall windows , or two short , extremely wide ones .
Either way , the arrangement is highly suboptimal.And then there 's all the apps that just do n't fit well in a tiled environment .
Gimp , Pidgin , and Gnome Do are the first that come to mind , but I 'm sure there are * many * others .
And in the case of Xmonad , the only way to work around that is to explicitly configure those apps to work in a floating mode , which itself is n't all that pretty...Now , maybe Bluetile ( which has been integrated into Xmonad ) will solve some of these issues , as it seems to do a great job of marrying tiled and floating layouts so that you can easily switch between the two paradigms .
Unfortunately , it 's rather immature , not to mention lacking in documentation ( for example , there must be a way to turn off their toolbar thinger , but I 'll be damned if I can figure out how ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking for myself, I just can't get used to the Xmonad (or other tiling WMs) way of use.
For example, imagine I'm using a web browser and want to open an xterm to quickly type in a couple commands I'm grabbing from a website.
A tiling WM only has two choices:  Split horizontal, or split vertical, with one window getting X\% of the space, and the other getting (100-X)\%.
But such an arrangement is quite awkward... you either get two skinny, tall windows, or two short, extremely wide ones.
Either way, the arrangement is highly suboptimal.And then there's all the apps that just don't fit well in a tiled environment.
Gimp, Pidgin, and Gnome Do are the first that come to mind, but I'm sure there are *many* others.
And in the case of Xmonad, the only way to work around that is to explicitly configure those apps to work in a floating mode, which itself isn't all that pretty...Now, maybe Bluetile (which has been integrated into Xmonad) will solve some of these issues, as it seems to do a great job of marrying tiled and floating layouts so that you can easily switch between the two paradigms.
Unfortunately, it's rather immature, not to mention lacking in documentation (for example, there must be a way to turn off their toolbar thinger, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30345200</id>
	<title>Multiple Screens / *one* Pager</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260132060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every time I read an article like this I keep hoping that at least one of the linked-to window managers will prove to do what I've been after for years on a dual-monitor setup.</p><p>1) Each monitor as a separate (logical, if not physical) display<br>2) Ability to drag windows between the two displays.  Moving 'atomically' via a shortcut is OK too, no need to have windows span the displays.<br>3) *One* 'Pager' (the thing that manages what windows are on what virtual desktops) for both/all screens.  No need to show the same virtual desktop on both displays at the same time (I assume this wouldn't be possible with a few things like accelerated video anyway).</p><p>It looks like awesome, and others, may well give me #2 in my list (and indeed it seems I could probably get fvwm2 to do it with some config twiddling), but does anything have #3 ?  If I have a 3x2 set of virtual desktops I want either display to be able to look at any arbitrary one of those virtual desktops.  Sure, knowing what I know now I could swap windows between displays, and thus Pagers, as needed, but that's still more hassle than simply ALT+arrow'ing around a single Pager on either display.</p><p>Disclaimer:  I've not yet tried the WMs mentioned in this article, I'll be taking a look at awesome and a few others if necessary shortly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every time I read an article like this I keep hoping that at least one of the linked-to window managers will prove to do what I 've been after for years on a dual-monitor setup.1 ) Each monitor as a separate ( logical , if not physical ) display2 ) Ability to drag windows between the two displays .
Moving 'atomically ' via a shortcut is OK too , no need to have windows span the displays.3 ) * One * 'Pager ' ( the thing that manages what windows are on what virtual desktops ) for both/all screens .
No need to show the same virtual desktop on both displays at the same time ( I assume this would n't be possible with a few things like accelerated video anyway ) .It looks like awesome , and others , may well give me # 2 in my list ( and indeed it seems I could probably get fvwm2 to do it with some config twiddling ) , but does anything have # 3 ?
If I have a 3x2 set of virtual desktops I want either display to be able to look at any arbitrary one of those virtual desktops .
Sure , knowing what I know now I could swap windows between displays , and thus Pagers , as needed , but that 's still more hassle than simply ALT + arrow'ing around a single Pager on either display.Disclaimer : I 've not yet tried the WMs mentioned in this article , I 'll be taking a look at awesome and a few others if necessary shortly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every time I read an article like this I keep hoping that at least one of the linked-to window managers will prove to do what I've been after for years on a dual-monitor setup.1) Each monitor as a separate (logical, if not physical) display2) Ability to drag windows between the two displays.
Moving 'atomically' via a shortcut is OK too, no need to have windows span the displays.3) *One* 'Pager' (the thing that manages what windows are on what virtual desktops) for both/all screens.
No need to show the same virtual desktop on both displays at the same time (I assume this wouldn't be possible with a few things like accelerated video anyway).It looks like awesome, and others, may well give me #2 in my list (and indeed it seems I could probably get fvwm2 to do it with some config twiddling), but does anything have #3 ?
If I have a 3x2 set of virtual desktops I want either display to be able to look at any arbitrary one of those virtual desktops.
Sure, knowing what I know now I could swap windows between displays, and thus Pagers, as needed, but that's still more hassle than simply ALT+arrow'ing around a single Pager on either display.Disclaimer:  I've not yet tried the WMs mentioned in this article, I'll be taking a look at awesome and a few others if necessary shortly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_06_0020245.30367746</id>
	<title>Bollocks</title>
	<author>ChienAndalu</author>
	<datestamp>1260298680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The premise is wrong. I have Win7 and a NVIDIA card and I can't easily switch resolutions or any other display settings with shortcuts without checking stupid boxes in stupid dialog boxes. Where is xrandr / nvidia-settings for windows?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The premise is wrong .
I have Win7 and a NVIDIA card and I ca n't easily switch resolutions or any other display settings with shortcuts without checking stupid boxes in stupid dialog boxes .
Where is xrandr / nvidia-settings for windows ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The premise is wrong.
I have Win7 and a NVIDIA card and I can't easily switch resolutions or any other display settings with shortcuts without checking stupid boxes in stupid dialog boxes.
Where is xrandr / nvidia-settings for windows?</sentencetext>
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