<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_03_1926229</id>
	<title>Offset Bad Code, With Bad Code Offsets</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1259869620000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Two weeks ago, The Daily WTF's Alex Papadimoulis <a href="http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Introducing-Bad-Code-Offsets.aspx">announced</a> <a href="http://codeoffsets.com/">Bad Code Offsets</a>, a join venture between many big names in the software development community (including StackOverflow's  Jeff Atwood and Jon Skeet and SourceGear's Eric Sink). The premise is that you can offset bad code by purchasing Bad Code Offsets (much in the same way a carbon-footprint is offset). The profits are donated to Free Software projects which work to  eliminate bad code, such as the Apache Foundation and FreeBSD. The first cheques were <a href="http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Bad-Code-Offsets-An-Update.aspx">sent out earlier today</a>."</i> Hopefully, they work <em>better</em> than <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk\_news/8383869.stm">carbon offsets</a>, actually.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Two weeks ago , The Daily WTF 's Alex Papadimoulis announced Bad Code Offsets , a join venture between many big names in the software development community ( including StackOverflow 's Jeff Atwood and Jon Skeet and SourceGear 's Eric Sink ) .
The premise is that you can offset bad code by purchasing Bad Code Offsets ( much in the same way a carbon-footprint is offset ) .
The profits are donated to Free Software projects which work to eliminate bad code , such as the Apache Foundation and FreeBSD .
The first cheques were sent out earlier today .
" Hopefully , they work better than carbon offsets , actually .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Two weeks ago, The Daily WTF's Alex Papadimoulis announced Bad Code Offsets, a join venture between many big names in the software development community (including StackOverflow's  Jeff Atwood and Jon Skeet and SourceGear's Eric Sink).
The premise is that you can offset bad code by purchasing Bad Code Offsets (much in the same way a carbon-footprint is offset).
The profits are donated to Free Software projects which work to  eliminate bad code, such as the Apache Foundation and FreeBSD.
The first cheques were sent out earlier today.
" Hopefully, they work better than carbon offsets, actually.</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30321552</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259956920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>* (carbon, code, whatever) offsets are really the Papal indulgences of the 21st century.</p></div><p>In a few years time we might then even get a new Technological Reformation by the Martin Luther of the 21st century.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>* ( carbon , code , whatever ) offsets are really the Papal indulgences of the 21st century.In a few years time we might then even get a new Technological Reformation by the Martin Luther of the 21st century .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>* (carbon, code, whatever) offsets are really the Papal indulgences of the 21st century.In a few years time we might then even get a new Technological Reformation by the Martin Luther of the 21st century.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315006</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315404</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1259831640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are an attempt to provide an <b>economic incentive</b> to pollute less. Without such incentive, the tragedy of the commons ensures we will wreck our collective selves while seeking individual profits.</p><p>This is not anywhere near the same thing as imaginary religious crap. It's economics, man.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are an attempt to provide an economic incentive to pollute less .
Without such incentive , the tragedy of the commons ensures we will wreck our collective selves while seeking individual profits.This is not anywhere near the same thing as imaginary religious crap .
It 's economics , man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are an attempt to provide an economic incentive to pollute less.
Without such incentive, the tragedy of the commons ensures we will wreck our collective selves while seeking individual profits.This is not anywhere near the same thing as imaginary religious crap.
It's economics, man.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315006</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315508</id>
	<title>Gave up on DailyWTF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259832180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The day Alex announced this was the day I finally stopped reading the DailyWTF.  It's gotten worse and worse over the past few years, with stories that were so embellished that you stop caring.  The fun part about the site was laughing at real IT blunders.  But Alex and his creative writing team overdid the writing to the point where the stories were often incredibly far from the real fact (the original submitters would often explain the "real" story in the comments".  This might be bearable if their writing wasn't so awful.  But often they interchange important character names, have horribly confusing grammatical constructs, and generally just make a mess out of the stories.</p><p>Then to top it off, Alex shows up occasionally and comes up with nonsense like this instead of posting another story.</p><p>I'm done.  Yes, it was amusing for awhile, but I'm moving on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The day Alex announced this was the day I finally stopped reading the DailyWTF .
It 's gotten worse and worse over the past few years , with stories that were so embellished that you stop caring .
The fun part about the site was laughing at real IT blunders .
But Alex and his creative writing team overdid the writing to the point where the stories were often incredibly far from the real fact ( the original submitters would often explain the " real " story in the comments " .
This might be bearable if their writing was n't so awful .
But often they interchange important character names , have horribly confusing grammatical constructs , and generally just make a mess out of the stories.Then to top it off , Alex shows up occasionally and comes up with nonsense like this instead of posting another story.I 'm done .
Yes , it was amusing for awhile , but I 'm moving on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The day Alex announced this was the day I finally stopped reading the DailyWTF.
It's gotten worse and worse over the past few years, with stories that were so embellished that you stop caring.
The fun part about the site was laughing at real IT blunders.
But Alex and his creative writing team overdid the writing to the point where the stories were often incredibly far from the real fact (the original submitters would often explain the "real" story in the comments".
This might be bearable if their writing wasn't so awful.
But often they interchange important character names, have horribly confusing grammatical constructs, and generally just make a mess out of the stories.Then to top it off, Alex shows up occasionally and comes up with nonsense like this instead of posting another story.I'm done.
Yes, it was amusing for awhile, but I'm moving on.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316806</id>
	<title>Worse Than Failure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259836860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I stopped reading thedailywtf when Alex renamed "wtf" to "worse than failure", because "double-yoo-tee-eff" was too offensive for his deaf grandmother's ears.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I stopped reading thedailywtf when Alex renamed " wtf " to " worse than failure " , because " double-yoo-tee-eff " was too offensive for his deaf grandmother 's ears .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I stopped reading thedailywtf when Alex renamed "wtf" to "worse than failure", because "double-yoo-tee-eff" was too offensive for his deaf grandmother's ears.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315508</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317906</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>gedrin</author>
	<datestamp>1259840640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's an indulgence for programmers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's an indulgence for programmers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's an indulgence for programmers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314976</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315844</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259833620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You say that the money spent on carbon offsets will be used to help the environment.</p><p>And yet, the money spent on Papal indulgences was used it to fund religious projects, which also helped the "environment". It is true that some of the money was probably spent on palaces for the Pope and his buddies, but some might have been spent on building more churches, schools and hospitals. Some of the money was spent solving actual real-world physical problems, involving poverty and disease and stuff. You cannot say, for certain, that all of the money spent on Papal indulgences was wasted, and that none of it improved the world.</p><p>I think the two are very similar, particularly in view of the quasi-religious nature of AGW belief.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You say that the money spent on carbon offsets will be used to help the environment.And yet , the money spent on Papal indulgences was used it to fund religious projects , which also helped the " environment " .
It is true that some of the money was probably spent on palaces for the Pope and his buddies , but some might have been spent on building more churches , schools and hospitals .
Some of the money was spent solving actual real-world physical problems , involving poverty and disease and stuff .
You can not say , for certain , that all of the money spent on Papal indulgences was wasted , and that none of it improved the world.I think the two are very similar , particularly in view of the quasi-religious nature of AGW belief .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You say that the money spent on carbon offsets will be used to help the environment.And yet, the money spent on Papal indulgences was used it to fund religious projects, which also helped the "environment".
It is true that some of the money was probably spent on palaces for the Pope and his buddies, but some might have been spent on building more churches, schools and hospitals.
Some of the money was spent solving actual real-world physical problems, involving poverty and disease and stuff.
You cannot say, for certain, that all of the money spent on Papal indulgences was wasted, and that none of it improved the world.I think the two are very similar, particularly in view of the quasi-religious nature of AGW belief.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315364</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315102</id>
	<title>The only possible way this works is...</title>
	<author>Radtastic</author>
	<datestamp>1259873760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>... if the bad-code offset is a penalty after-the-fact for putting out bad code.
<br> <br>
And no, I'm not going to RTFA.  This is a horrible idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... if the bad-code offset is a penalty after-the-fact for putting out bad code .
And no , I 'm not going to RTFA .
This is a horrible idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... if the bad-code offset is a penalty after-the-fact for putting out bad code.
And no, I'm not going to RTFA.
This is a horrible idea.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315394</id>
	<title>Bad code offset doesnt do anything for your soul</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259831640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why catholic church invented confession... So you can sin and stop feeling guilty about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why catholic church invented confession... So you can sin and stop feeling guilty about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why catholic church invented confession... So you can sin and stop feeling guilty about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317694</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1259839740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason they are using trading instead of taxing is because taxing takes money out of the system, whereas trading keeps it in there (which is supposedly better for the overall economy).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason they are using trading instead of taxing is because taxing takes money out of the system , whereas trading keeps it in there ( which is supposedly better for the overall economy ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason they are using trading instead of taxing is because taxing takes money out of the system, whereas trading keeps it in there (which is supposedly better for the overall economy).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317156</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316300</id>
	<title>can most people afford enough?</title>
	<author>Mendenhall</author>
	<datestamp>1259835420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, I'm in the process of debugging somebody else's 43,000 lines of FORTRAN code. (I hate FORTRAN...).  What I see in here would require a number of offsets which would cost approximately the entire US GDP to buy.  This is not the first time I have seen code like this, either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , I 'm in the process of debugging somebody else 's 43,000 lines of FORTRAN code .
( I hate FORTRAN... ) .
What I see in here would require a number of offsets which would cost approximately the entire US GDP to buy .
This is not the first time I have seen code like this , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, I'm in the process of debugging somebody else's 43,000 lines of FORTRAN code.
(I hate FORTRAN...).
What I see in here would require a number of offsets which would cost approximately the entire US GDP to buy.
This is not the first time I have seen code like this, either.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316382</id>
	<title>Re:Not realistic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259835660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm, I was going to put the same thing but say perl/CPAN</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , I was going to put the same thing but say perl/CPAN</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, I was going to put the same thing but say perl/CPAN</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315048</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317008</id>
	<title>why not mangle some climate code?</title>
	<author>Budenny</author>
	<datestamp>1259837460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work in the climate science department of a well known university in E Anglia, UK, and am proud to be the owner of a 4 x 4 and also an excruciatingly bad programmer.  No, sorry, I got that wrong, I have no car, walk to work, and only write in equisitely structured C++.</p><p>You can all assuage your guilt from driving those 4 x 4s and writing all that crap code in Python. Ruby or whatever by sending me large sums of money, and I will continue my low guilt lifestyle as long as the cheques keep coming.</p><p>You can carry on shopping at malls in your 4 x 4s, and writing your terrible code.</p><p>We will all be happy.  I will get rich.  Everyone wins.  We save the planet.  What's the problem?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in the climate science department of a well known university in E Anglia , UK , and am proud to be the owner of a 4 x 4 and also an excruciatingly bad programmer .
No , sorry , I got that wrong , I have no car , walk to work , and only write in equisitely structured C + + .You can all assuage your guilt from driving those 4 x 4s and writing all that crap code in Python .
Ruby or whatever by sending me large sums of money , and I will continue my low guilt lifestyle as long as the cheques keep coming.You can carry on shopping at malls in your 4 x 4s , and writing your terrible code.We will all be happy .
I will get rich .
Everyone wins .
We save the planet .
What 's the problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in the climate science department of a well known university in E Anglia, UK, and am proud to be the owner of a 4 x 4 and also an excruciatingly bad programmer.
No, sorry, I got that wrong, I have no car, walk to work, and only write in equisitely structured C++.You can all assuage your guilt from driving those 4 x 4s and writing all that crap code in Python.
Ruby or whatever by sending me large sums of money, and I will continue my low guilt lifestyle as long as the cheques keep coming.You can carry on shopping at malls in your 4 x 4s, and writing your terrible code.We will all be happy.
I will get rich.
Everyone wins.
We save the planet.
What's the problem?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315950</id>
	<title>Offsets are crap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259833920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now if we could have a tax on bad code on the other hand...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now if we could have a tax on bad code on the other hand.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now if we could have a tax on bad code on the other hand...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315218</id>
	<title>Bad code offsets?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259830920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You mean like this?<blockquote><div><p> <tt>JMP 0x0BAD</tt></p></div> </blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean like this ?
JMP 0x0BAD</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean like this?
JMP 0x0BAD 
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315698</id>
	<title>Re:Bad code offsets?</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1259832960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it only works in 32-bit or greater ISAs.</p><p>JMP 0X0BADCODE</p><p>or</p><p>JMP 0xBAADCODE</p><p>if your programmers are sheeple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it only works in 32-bit or greater ISAs.JMP 0X0BADCODEorJMP 0xBAADCODEif your programmers are sheeple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it only works in 32-bit or greater ISAs.JMP 0X0BADCODEorJMP 0xBAADCODEif your programmers are sheeple.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315218</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314986</id>
	<title>You want me to pay what?</title>
	<author>Drethon</author>
	<datestamp>1259873400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The idea is ammusing and having the money donated to a open source project is cool but the prices are a tad high for my blood...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea is ammusing and having the money donated to a open source project is cool but the prices are a tad high for my blood.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea is ammusing and having the money donated to a open source project is cool but the prices are a tad high for my blood...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316224</id>
	<title>Re:The only possible way this works is...</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1259835060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And no, I'm not going to RTFA.  This is a horrible idea.</p></div><p>I agree, RTFA is a horrible idea. So what is your thoughts on the bad code offsets?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And no , I 'm not going to RTFA .
This is a horrible idea.I agree , RTFA is a horrible idea .
So what is your thoughts on the bad code offsets ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And no, I'm not going to RTFA.
This is a horrible idea.I agree, RTFA is a horrible idea.
So what is your thoughts on the bad code offsets?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315102</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314976</id>
	<title>Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let me get this right-- you purchase this offset so that you can <i>deliberately</i> write bad code?
<p>Why??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me get this right-- you purchase this offset so that you can deliberately write bad code ?
Why ? ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me get this right-- you purchase this offset so that you can deliberately write bad code?
Why??</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315076</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No no no. Do you know how Carbon offsets work?</p><p>My company spews out X amount of carbon a year. My Government puts a limit to Y amount of Carbon a year. Since it's detrimental to my business (reducing client base) to reduce my carbon output, I can purchase Carbon offsets so that some of my money goes towards greener projects. Thus I keep my clients Happy and I meet government regulation.</p><p>Now, there is no LAW forbidding bad code. But the same basic principle applies: You want to reduce the amount of Bad code you may have done, but you can't go back and change it. Buy a bad code offset.</p><p>Get it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No no no .
Do you know how Carbon offsets work ? My company spews out X amount of carbon a year .
My Government puts a limit to Y amount of Carbon a year .
Since it 's detrimental to my business ( reducing client base ) to reduce my carbon output , I can purchase Carbon offsets so that some of my money goes towards greener projects .
Thus I keep my clients Happy and I meet government regulation.Now , there is no LAW forbidding bad code .
But the same basic principle applies : You want to reduce the amount of Bad code you may have done , but you ca n't go back and change it .
Buy a bad code offset.Get it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No no no.
Do you know how Carbon offsets work?My company spews out X amount of carbon a year.
My Government puts a limit to Y amount of Carbon a year.
Since it's detrimental to my business (reducing client base) to reduce my carbon output, I can purchase Carbon offsets so that some of my money goes towards greener projects.
Thus I keep my clients Happy and I meet government regulation.Now, there is no LAW forbidding bad code.
But the same basic principle applies: You want to reduce the amount of Bad code you may have done, but you can't go back and change it.
Buy a bad code offset.Get it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314976</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315402</id>
	<title>Carbon trading is stupid.</title>
	<author>arthurh3535</author>
	<datestamp>1259831640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, it really is. It advocates that 3rd world countries can only advance to 1st world status by polluting... a lot. Instead of trying to develop these countries without all the pollution we had to do in the past, they are basically saying that 1st world countries have to subsidize that pollution advancement by lowering their own pollution in response.<br>
&nbsp; <br>It's a totally assanine proposition and basically is advocating that it's fine for 3rd world countries to pollute if they advance themselves up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it really is .
It advocates that 3rd world countries can only advance to 1st world status by polluting... a lot .
Instead of trying to develop these countries without all the pollution we had to do in the past , they are basically saying that 1st world countries have to subsidize that pollution advancement by lowering their own pollution in response .
  It 's a totally assanine proposition and basically is advocating that it 's fine for 3rd world countries to pollute if they advance themselves up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it really is.
It advocates that 3rd world countries can only advance to 1st world status by polluting... a lot.
Instead of trying to develop these countries without all the pollution we had to do in the past, they are basically saying that 1st world countries have to subsidize that pollution advancement by lowering their own pollution in response.
  It's a totally assanine proposition and basically is advocating that it's fine for 3rd world countries to pollute if they advance themselves up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317878</id>
	<title>More honest than carbon offsets</title>
	<author>Quila</author>
	<datestamp>1259840580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This seems to be more of a fun way to give to charity than the guilt-driven indulgence scam that is carbon offsets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This seems to be more of a fun way to give to charity than the guilt-driven indulgence scam that is carbon offsets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems to be more of a fun way to give to charity than the guilt-driven indulgence scam that is carbon offsets.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315262</id>
	<title>cyber-indugences</title>
	<author>prgrmr</author>
	<datestamp>1259831100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the "Bad Code FAQ":
<br> <br>
<a href="http://codeoffsets.com/FAQ.aspx" title="codeoffsets.com" rel="nofollow"> <i>Offsetting bad code also provides a salve to your conscience.</i> </a> [codeoffsets.com]
<br> <br>
I wonder how that line would go over in a project plan?  Nowhere in the FAQ does it ever mention actually removing or fixing the Bad Code for which they are willing to sell an Offset.  Ironically, if they advocated, promoted, and actually assisted in that effort, their market for Bad Code Offsets would diminish.  This smells like something that would have been pitched to the VC's back in the mid-90s as a means of generating revenue until a real product was ready.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the " Bad Code FAQ " : Offsetting bad code also provides a salve to your conscience .
[ codeoffsets.com ] I wonder how that line would go over in a project plan ?
Nowhere in the FAQ does it ever mention actually removing or fixing the Bad Code for which they are willing to sell an Offset .
Ironically , if they advocated , promoted , and actually assisted in that effort , their market for Bad Code Offsets would diminish .
This smells like something that would have been pitched to the VC 's back in the mid-90s as a means of generating revenue until a real product was ready .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the "Bad Code FAQ":
 
 Offsetting bad code also provides a salve to your conscience.
[codeoffsets.com]
 
I wonder how that line would go over in a project plan?
Nowhere in the FAQ does it ever mention actually removing or fixing the Bad Code for which they are willing to sell an Offset.
Ironically, if they advocated, promoted, and actually assisted in that effort, their market for Bad Code Offsets would diminish.
This smells like something that would have been pitched to the VC's back in the mid-90s as a means of generating revenue until a real product was ready.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316688</id>
	<title>Re:Re-apply faulty offset concept....</title>
	<author>idontgno</author>
	<datestamp>1259836440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's the offset of a joke going over a poster's head?</p><p>The entire point of the "bug cap-and-trade" is to humorously raise money for quality software. If you believe in carbon cap-and-trade, think of it as a slightly comical tribute. If you're opposed to cap-and-trade, think of it as mocking.</p><p>Now, it occurs to me that you may actually be joking, and the whoosh offset is in force in my post. But in my defense, the mods seem to also be currently buying it (50\% overrated, 50\% insightful). So if you're trolling, in the immortal words, "ur doin it rite".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the offset of a joke going over a poster 's head ? The entire point of the " bug cap-and-trade " is to humorously raise money for quality software .
If you believe in carbon cap-and-trade , think of it as a slightly comical tribute .
If you 're opposed to cap-and-trade , think of it as mocking.Now , it occurs to me that you may actually be joking , and the whoosh offset is in force in my post .
But in my defense , the mods seem to also be currently buying it ( 50 \ % overrated , 50 \ % insightful ) .
So if you 're trolling , in the immortal words , " ur doin it rite " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the offset of a joke going over a poster's head?The entire point of the "bug cap-and-trade" is to humorously raise money for quality software.
If you believe in carbon cap-and-trade, think of it as a slightly comical tribute.
If you're opposed to cap-and-trade, think of it as mocking.Now, it occurs to me that you may actually be joking, and the whoosh offset is in force in my post.
But in my defense, the mods seem to also be currently buying it (50\% overrated, 50\% insightful).
So if you're trolling, in the immortal words, "ur doin it rite".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315166</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317440</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>Vintermann</author>
	<datestamp>1259838900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, not insightful. Carbon emissions is not a sin, just something that critically needs to be limited.</p><p>It's the difference between "wrong" and "bad", a rather important difference in many areas of life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , not insightful .
Carbon emissions is not a sin , just something that critically needs to be limited.It 's the difference between " wrong " and " bad " , a rather important difference in many areas of life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, not insightful.
Carbon emissions is not a sin, just something that critically needs to be limited.It's the difference between "wrong" and "bad", a rather important difference in many areas of life.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315006</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317150</id>
	<title>At first I thought it was a Great Idea</title>
	<author>GreatBigGiantBrain</author>
	<datestamp>1259837880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I first thought it would be like this:
<br> <br>
-Open Source/Company/person submits short blocks of crap code<br>
-People sign up to fix crap code blocks (fixing their code karma in the process)<br>
-People gain karma points that allow them to post more code that needs fixin'<br>
-Fixed code gets merged... no more crap!<br>
<br> <br>
Sounded interesting that way.  (instead of a money grab)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I first thought it would be like this : -Open Source/Company/person submits short blocks of crap code -People sign up to fix crap code blocks ( fixing their code karma in the process ) -People gain karma points that allow them to post more code that needs fixin ' -Fixed code gets merged... no more crap !
Sounded interesting that way .
( instead of a money grab )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I first thought it would be like this:
 
-Open Source/Company/person submits short blocks of crap code
-People sign up to fix crap code blocks (fixing their code karma in the process)
-People gain karma points that allow them to post more code that needs fixin'
-Fixed code gets merged... no more crap!
Sounded interesting that way.
(instead of a money grab)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30336980</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>chrb</author>
	<datestamp>1260042120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Several studies have shown that these types of incentives tend to cause the behavior to become worse</p></div><p>This only happens when the penalty cost of the action is lower than the true cost of the externality. For the opposite case, consider the successful regulation of sulphur dioxide emissions by the EPA, where an auction based credit system resulted in both significant emission reductions and a credit cost that ultimately became almost negligible to emitters.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Several studies have shown that these types of incentives tend to cause the behavior to become worseThis only happens when the penalty cost of the action is lower than the true cost of the externality .
For the opposite case , consider the successful regulation of sulphur dioxide emissions by the EPA , where an auction based credit system resulted in both significant emission reductions and a credit cost that ultimately became almost negligible to emitters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several studies have shown that these types of incentives tend to cause the behavior to become worseThis only happens when the penalty cost of the action is lower than the true cost of the externality.
For the opposite case, consider the successful regulation of sulphur dioxide emissions by the EPA, where an auction based credit system resulted in both significant emission reductions and a credit cost that ultimately became almost negligible to emitters.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316672</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316738</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259836620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Let me get this right-- you purchase this offset so that you can deliberately write bad code?  Why??</i></p><p>Because at this point, Microsoft cannot afford to produce a brand new Windows.  They really have no other option that to keep hanging bags of features onto the side of Windows 2000 and calling it XP, Vista, WIndows 7, WIndows 8, etc.  Bad Code Offsets just make sense, and may be the only way to save the planet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me get this right-- you purchase this offset so that you can deliberately write bad code ?
Why ? ? Because at this point , Microsoft can not afford to produce a brand new Windows .
They really have no other option that to keep hanging bags of features onto the side of Windows 2000 and calling it XP , Vista , WIndows 7 , WIndows 8 , etc .
Bad Code Offsets just make sense , and may be the only way to save the planet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me get this right-- you purchase this offset so that you can deliberately write bad code?
Why??Because at this point, Microsoft cannot afford to produce a brand new Windows.
They really have no other option that to keep hanging bags of features onto the side of Windows 2000 and calling it XP, Vista, WIndows 7, WIndows 8, etc.
Bad Code Offsets just make sense, and may be the only way to save the planet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314976</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317890</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>ca111a</author>
	<datestamp>1259840640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can give it as a gift, then - you purchase this offset so that <b>somebody else</b> can deliberately write bad code.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can give it as a gift , then - you purchase this offset so that somebody else can deliberately write bad code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can give it as a gift, then - you purchase this offset so that somebody else can deliberately write bad code.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314976</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315334</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259831400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Write bad code, write good code, don't write any code at all, do what ever you want.  This is just something to help encourage people to donate money to get funding to a few open source projects.</p><p>Personally, I'd rather donate to the projects of my choice directly.  But they are not taking any cut what-so-ever, so you can contribute to their pool and they can cut larger checks to the projects.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Write bad code , write good code , do n't write any code at all , do what ever you want .
This is just something to help encourage people to donate money to get funding to a few open source projects.Personally , I 'd rather donate to the projects of my choice directly .
But they are not taking any cut what-so-ever , so you can contribute to their pool and they can cut larger checks to the projects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Write bad code, write good code, don't write any code at all, do what ever you want.
This is just something to help encourage people to donate money to get funding to a few open source projects.Personally, I'd rather donate to the projects of my choice directly.
But they are not taking any cut what-so-ever, so you can contribute to their pool and they can cut larger checks to the projects.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314976</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315446</id>
	<title>Bad code</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259831880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only one who read the summary as saying Apache and BSD are bad code?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one who read the summary as saying Apache and BSD are bad code ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one who read the summary as saying Apache and BSD are bad code?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315006</id>
	<title>Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>nweaver</author>
	<datestamp>1259873460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>* (carbon, code, whatever) offsets are really the Papal indulgences of the 21st century.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* ( carbon , code , whatever ) offsets are really the Papal indulgences of the 21st century .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>* (carbon, code, whatever) offsets are really the Papal indulgences of the 21st century.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315842</id>
	<title>Stupidity Offsets?</title>
	<author>jameskojiro</author>
	<datestamp>1259833620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe we can sell Stupidity Offsets to dump rich people, I can think of a couple dozen people in Hollywood who would qualify to buy these, they would go towards educating people in universities on the subject of physics, chemistry, and biology.</p><p>Oh and I get to keep 10\% of the money for my own "Operating Expenses".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe we can sell Stupidity Offsets to dump rich people , I can think of a couple dozen people in Hollywood who would qualify to buy these , they would go towards educating people in universities on the subject of physics , chemistry , and biology.Oh and I get to keep 10 \ % of the money for my own " Operating Expenses " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe we can sell Stupidity Offsets to dump rich people, I can think of a couple dozen people in Hollywood who would qualify to buy these, they would go towards educating people in universities on the subject of physics, chemistry, and biology.Oh and I get to keep 10\% of the money for my own "Operating Expenses".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315888</id>
	<title>Re:Carbon trading is stupid.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259833740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you know how much of a pain in the ass it is to make concrete?  Sure, the idea that an undeveloped but somewhat well endowed country can advance to first world status without pollution is great, but it's just not practical.  Have you tried it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you know how much of a pain in the ass it is to make concrete ?
Sure , the idea that an undeveloped but somewhat well endowed country can advance to first world status without pollution is great , but it 's just not practical .
Have you tried it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you know how much of a pain in the ass it is to make concrete?
Sure, the idea that an undeveloped but somewhat well endowed country can advance to first world status without pollution is great, but it's just not practical.
Have you tried it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315402</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30337756</id>
	<title>You never deliberately write bad code?</title>
	<author>TrekkieGod</author>
	<datestamp>1260004020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're either not a programmer or an <b>incredibly good</b> programmer.  I've been guilty many times of knowing there's a better way to do something, realizing there was a quick solution that was horrible in some way (difficult to maintain or extend) and saying, "screw it" to get something done quickly.  I might even write a comment that says something to the effect of "don't ever do this, it's really bad" to those who look at the code and might decide to learn from it.</p><p>Of course, all they learn from it is that it's ok to write bad code as long as you acknowledge it in the comments.  So I do feel guilty about it, and if I have free time I might go back and fix some of those things.  They don't get fixed often enough though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're either not a programmer or an incredibly good programmer .
I 've been guilty many times of knowing there 's a better way to do something , realizing there was a quick solution that was horrible in some way ( difficult to maintain or extend ) and saying , " screw it " to get something done quickly .
I might even write a comment that says something to the effect of " do n't ever do this , it 's really bad " to those who look at the code and might decide to learn from it.Of course , all they learn from it is that it 's ok to write bad code as long as you acknowledge it in the comments .
So I do feel guilty about it , and if I have free time I might go back and fix some of those things .
They do n't get fixed often enough though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're either not a programmer or an incredibly good programmer.
I've been guilty many times of knowing there's a better way to do something, realizing there was a quick solution that was horrible in some way (difficult to maintain or extend) and saying, "screw it" to get something done quickly.
I might even write a comment that says something to the effect of "don't ever do this, it's really bad" to those who look at the code and might decide to learn from it.Of course, all they learn from it is that it's ok to write bad code as long as you acknowledge it in the comments.
So I do feel guilty about it, and if I have free time I might go back and fix some of those things.
They don't get fixed often enough though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314976</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315946</id>
	<title>Re:Bad code offsets?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1259833920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More like</p><p>JMP F00</p><p>Actually, that one's good code, if it's directed to a banker on top of a building.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More likeJMP F00Actually , that one 's good code , if it 's directed to a banker on top of a building .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More likeJMP F00Actually, that one's good code, if it's directed to a banker on top of a building.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315218</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30318292</id>
	<title>Re:If you write bad code...</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1259842440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Patches and cream? Sounds like a virus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Patches and cream ?
Sounds like a virus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Patches and cream?
Sounds like a virus.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316002</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315146</id>
	<title>Is this related...</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1259873940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are these payments received related to the programs used for global warming calculations?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are these payments received related to the programs used for global warming calculations ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are these payments received related to the programs used for global warming calculations?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315668</id>
	<title>Your'e stupid.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259832840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh that's right, instead we should have 3rd world countries use all the affordable clean energy sources that secretly exist somewhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh that 's right , instead we should have 3rd world countries use all the affordable clean energy sources that secretly exist somewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh that's right, instead we should have 3rd world countries use all the affordable clean energy sources that secretly exist somewhere.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315402</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315922</id>
	<title>Richard Garriott's take on carbon offsets</title>
	<author>ryry</author>
	<datestamp>1259833860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Richard G <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Richard-Garriott-Man-on-a-Misssion/38608361892" title="facebook.com" rel="nofollow">blasted into space last year</a> [facebook.com], and to offset the tons of jet fuel his spaceship burned, he purchased some carbon offsets. At a talk in Austin earlier this year, he made what I thought was an interesting point: carbon offsets might not work as effectively as planned, but they help get you in the habit of doing <i>something</i> about the problem. When/if we discover a better way, then you've already got the habit formed -- you just switch it to whatever this new method might be.</p><p>I'm sure there are some flaws in that but it was an interesting take I hadn't heard before.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Richard G blasted into space last year [ facebook.com ] , and to offset the tons of jet fuel his spaceship burned , he purchased some carbon offsets .
At a talk in Austin earlier this year , he made what I thought was an interesting point : carbon offsets might not work as effectively as planned , but they help get you in the habit of doing something about the problem .
When/if we discover a better way , then you 've already got the habit formed -- you just switch it to whatever this new method might be.I 'm sure there are some flaws in that but it was an interesting take I had n't heard before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Richard G blasted into space last year [facebook.com], and to offset the tons of jet fuel his spaceship burned, he purchased some carbon offsets.
At a talk in Austin earlier this year, he made what I thought was an interesting point: carbon offsets might not work as effectively as planned, but they help get you in the habit of doing something about the problem.
When/if we discover a better way, then you've already got the habit formed -- you just switch it to whatever this new method might be.I'm sure there are some flaws in that but it was an interesting take I hadn't heard before.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30340778</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>fishexe</author>
	<datestamp>1260029820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Let me get this right-- you purchase this offset so that you can <i>deliberately</i> write bad code?
</p><p>Why??</p></div><p>Let me get this right-- you buy this plenary indulgence so that you can <i>deliberately</i> sin and be pre-forgiven?<br>
<i>Why??<br> <br> </i>

Why not, my friend.  Why in the world not.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me get this right-- you purchase this offset so that you can deliberately write bad code ?
Why ? ? Let me get this right-- you buy this plenary indulgence so that you can deliberately sin and be pre-forgiven ?
Why ? ? Why not , my friend .
Why in the world not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me get this right-- you purchase this offset so that you can deliberately write bad code?
Why??Let me get this right-- you buy this plenary indulgence so that you can deliberately sin and be pre-forgiven?
Why??  

Why not, my friend.
Why in the world not.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314976</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316434</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1259835840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think the intent is that you buy them as penance for bad code you've already written.</p></div><p>No way could I come up with that kind of coin.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the intent is that you buy them as penance for bad code you 've already written.No way could I come up with that kind of coin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the intent is that you buy them as penance for bad code you've already written.No way could I come up with that kind of coin.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315038</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315366</id>
	<title>Re:...and now for something entirely unrelated.</title>
	<author>Toonol</author>
	<datestamp>1259831520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've never actually met or talked to somebody that thought carbon offsets <i>weren't</i> a scam, except for those trying to sell them.  I get your point about derailing the thread, but have to ask... do you actually think carbon offsets are <i>legitimate</i>?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never actually met or talked to somebody that thought carbon offsets were n't a scam , except for those trying to sell them .
I get your point about derailing the thread , but have to ask... do you actually think carbon offsets are legitimate ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never actually met or talked to somebody that thought carbon offsets weren't a scam, except for those trying to sell them.
I get your point about derailing the thread, but have to ask... do you actually think carbon offsets are legitimate?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315040</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317064</id>
	<title>Well, shit.</title>
	<author>Kingrames</author>
	<datestamp>1259837640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm gonna need a bigger calculator to find out how much I owe these guys.<br>
<br>
This one doesn't handle factorials.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm gon na need a bigger calculator to find out how much I owe these guys .
This one does n't handle factorials .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm gonna need a bigger calculator to find out how much I owe these guys.
This one doesn't handle factorials.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315038</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the intent is that you buy them as penance for bad code you've already written.</p><p>Which makes them pretty much unlike carbon offsets, but I guess someone thinks they're being amusing.</p><p>It's a clever fund-raising campaign for certain projects; I wouldn't read much more into it than that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the intent is that you buy them as penance for bad code you 've already written.Which makes them pretty much unlike carbon offsets , but I guess someone thinks they 're being amusing.It 's a clever fund-raising campaign for certain projects ; I would n't read much more into it than that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the intent is that you buy them as penance for bad code you've already written.Which makes them pretty much unlike carbon offsets, but I guess someone thinks they're being amusing.It's a clever fund-raising campaign for certain projects; I wouldn't read much more into it than that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314976</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30375468</id>
	<title>Mod parent insightful.</title>
	<author>Eivind Eklund</author>
	<datestamp>1259579520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Attitudes follow behavior, somebody that does lots of car  driving must have mod points in this story...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Attitudes follow behavior , somebody that does lots of car driving must have mod points in this story.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Attitudes follow behavior, somebody that does lots of car  driving must have mod points in this story...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315364</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315550</id>
	<title>Re:cyber-indugences</title>
	<author>deprecated</author>
	<datestamp>1259832420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>cyber- is out, i- is in. iNdulgences, man! Get 'em!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>cyber- is out , i- is in .
iNdulgences , man !
Get 'em !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cyber- is out, i- is in.
iNdulgences, man!
Get 'em!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315262</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316236</id>
	<title>Re:You want me to pay what?</title>
	<author>Dragonslicer</author>
	<datestamp>1259835120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The idea is ammusing and having the money donated to a open source project is cool but the prices are a tad high for my blood...</p></div><p>At the risk of being whooshed, I hope you noticed that it's basically just a donation in pretty much whatever amount you want. The lowest amount they have right now is $1.50, though I would understand if they made it $5.00 or $10.00.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea is ammusing and having the money donated to a open source project is cool but the prices are a tad high for my blood...At the risk of being whooshed , I hope you noticed that it 's basically just a donation in pretty much whatever amount you want .
The lowest amount they have right now is $ 1.50 , though I would understand if they made it $ 5.00 or $ 10.00 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea is ammusing and having the money donated to a open source project is cool but the prices are a tad high for my blood...At the risk of being whooshed, I hope you noticed that it's basically just a donation in pretty much whatever amount you want.
The lowest amount they have right now is $1.50, though I would understand if they made it $5.00 or $10.00.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314986</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30322630</id>
	<title>Re:Apache &amp; FreeBSD = bad code?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259934060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>... bad code, such as the Apache Foundation and FreeBSD.</p></div></div><p>Man.  I am glad I am not the only one that saw it that way on first glance.  Too early.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... bad code , such as the Apache Foundation and FreeBSD.Man .
I am glad I am not the only one that saw it that way on first glance .
Too early .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... bad code, such as the Apache Foundation and FreeBSD.Man.
I am glad I am not the only one that saw it that way on first glance.
Too early.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314988</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315686</id>
	<title>bad developer offsets?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259832900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no bad code, only bad developers. Can you offset one of these jokers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no bad code , only bad developers .
Can you offset one of these jokers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no bad code, only bad developers.
Can you offset one of these jokers?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315882</id>
	<title>That makes no sense</title>
	<author>pavon</author>
	<datestamp>1259833740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where are these third world countries getting the money to buy carbon offsets? And why would they since they don't have any laws mandating them? You have this completely backwards.</p><p>Carbon offsets are purchased by companies in <em>first world</em> countries which have laws setting CO2 quotas, or by rich yuppies who want to feel good about their energy-exorbitant house/car/jet. They do so because it is cheaper to buy bogus carbon offsets from third world countries than it is to actually lower their own CO2 generation.</p><p>I think you have this term confused with something else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where are these third world countries getting the money to buy carbon offsets ?
And why would they since they do n't have any laws mandating them ?
You have this completely backwards.Carbon offsets are purchased by companies in first world countries which have laws setting CO2 quotas , or by rich yuppies who want to feel good about their energy-exorbitant house/car/jet .
They do so because it is cheaper to buy bogus carbon offsets from third world countries than it is to actually lower their own CO2 generation.I think you have this term confused with something else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where are these third world countries getting the money to buy carbon offsets?
And why would they since they don't have any laws mandating them?
You have this completely backwards.Carbon offsets are purchased by companies in first world countries which have laws setting CO2 quotas, or by rich yuppies who want to feel good about their energy-exorbitant house/car/jet.
They do so because it is cheaper to buy bogus carbon offsets from third world countries than it is to actually lower their own CO2 generation.I think you have this term confused with something else.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315402</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315828</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>Trepidity</author>
	<datestamp>1259833560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is that a lot of the carbon-offsets money <i>doesn't</i> go to things like green-energy research, subsidizing alternative energy, or other such things that would help the environment. A good portion gets paid directly to polluters, who in return promise to pollute less than they "otherwise" would have, a totally notional promise that rewards the worst polluters, who agree to be slightly less bad in the future in return for the cash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that a lot of the carbon-offsets money does n't go to things like green-energy research , subsidizing alternative energy , or other such things that would help the environment .
A good portion gets paid directly to polluters , who in return promise to pollute less than they " otherwise " would have , a totally notional promise that rewards the worst polluters , who agree to be slightly less bad in the future in return for the cash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that a lot of the carbon-offsets money doesn't go to things like green-energy research, subsidizing alternative energy, or other such things that would help the environment.
A good portion gets paid directly to polluters, who in return promise to pollute less than they "otherwise" would have, a totally notional promise that rewards the worst polluters, who agree to be slightly less bad in the future in return for the cash.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315364</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316736</id>
	<title>It's someone else's code</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259836620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I purchase some credits in their name, do you think they'll get the hint?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I purchase some credits in their name , do you think they 'll get the hint ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I purchase some credits in their name, do you think they'll get the hint?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30322084</id>
	<title>Re:...and now for something entirely unrelated.</title>
	<author>Carewolf</author>
	<datestamp>1259922660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The smaller, consumer carbon offset market is what you're thinking of. This is where people effectively donate money to environmental causes, theoretically to pay activities that either prevent carbon dioxide from being emitted or remove it from the air. I won't argue with you here; I agree that at least some of these are not legitimate, or have other problems that make them not effective. And it is this kind of carbon offset which is more relevant to the discussion at hand.</p></div></blockquote><p>Unless what you are buying are real carbon offsets from the bigger market you mentioned earlier. In that case you will actually reduce the carbon footprint of your country, below the level set by the government, by the amount you buy. Unlike if you just save on electricity or fuel, where the electricity or fuel company will then sell their excess offsets for someone else to pollute.</p><p>In other words, buying carbon offsets is not only a valid way of reducing carbon-emissions. It may be the only way you as a consumer can effect a reduction at all.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The smaller , consumer carbon offset market is what you 're thinking of .
This is where people effectively donate money to environmental causes , theoretically to pay activities that either prevent carbon dioxide from being emitted or remove it from the air .
I wo n't argue with you here ; I agree that at least some of these are not legitimate , or have other problems that make them not effective .
And it is this kind of carbon offset which is more relevant to the discussion at hand.Unless what you are buying are real carbon offsets from the bigger market you mentioned earlier .
In that case you will actually reduce the carbon footprint of your country , below the level set by the government , by the amount you buy .
Unlike if you just save on electricity or fuel , where the electricity or fuel company will then sell their excess offsets for someone else to pollute.In other words , buying carbon offsets is not only a valid way of reducing carbon-emissions .
It may be the only way you as a consumer can effect a reduction at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The smaller, consumer carbon offset market is what you're thinking of.
This is where people effectively donate money to environmental causes, theoretically to pay activities that either prevent carbon dioxide from being emitted or remove it from the air.
I won't argue with you here; I agree that at least some of these are not legitimate, or have other problems that make them not effective.
And it is this kind of carbon offset which is more relevant to the discussion at hand.Unless what you are buying are real carbon offsets from the bigger market you mentioned earlier.
In that case you will actually reduce the carbon footprint of your country, below the level set by the government, by the amount you buy.
Unlike if you just save on electricity or fuel, where the electricity or fuel company will then sell their excess offsets for someone else to pollute.In other words, buying carbon offsets is not only a valid way of reducing carbon-emissions.
It may be the only way you as a consumer can effect a reduction at all.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316632</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317542</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>Vintermann</author>
	<datestamp>1259839200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Environmentalism is the religion of the 21st century</p><p>No it is not. That is simply a bad analogy. It is a political movement, no more, no less.</p><p>One funny guy quipped that socialism saved capitalism from itself in the previous century, and environmentalism has to do it in this one. There's some truth to that, but don't miss the point that capitalism is in fact worth saving.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Environmentalism is the religion of the 21st centuryNo it is not .
That is simply a bad analogy .
It is a political movement , no more , no less.One funny guy quipped that socialism saved capitalism from itself in the previous century , and environmentalism has to do it in this one .
There 's some truth to that , but do n't miss the point that capitalism is in fact worth saving .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Environmentalism is the religion of the 21st centuryNo it is not.
That is simply a bad analogy.
It is a political movement, no more, no less.One funny guy quipped that socialism saved capitalism from itself in the previous century, and environmentalism has to do it in this one.
There's some truth to that, but don't miss the point that capitalism is in fact worth saving.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315242</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316002</id>
	<title>Re:If you write bad code...</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1259834100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I know my code is all peaches and cream!<br></i></p><p>Typo: You misspelled "patches".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know my code is all peaches and cream ! Typo : You misspelled " patches " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know my code is all peaches and cream!Typo: You misspelled "patches".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315354</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315608</id>
	<title>It's like a swear box</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259832660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems like a lot of people don't get this.</p><p>It's like a swear box. You know, in an attempt to get out of the habit of swearing, you put a dollar in box every time you swear. The contents of the box goes to charity.</p><p>This is exactly the same, except that in this case the habit you're trying to get out of is releasing bad code.</p><p>We all sneak out bad code from time to time - "it's ugly but it works; I can clean it up, or I can ship it and have an extra hour doing  [insert recreation of choice]". The 'swear box' makes cleaning it up seem more attractive. And if you don't, a worthy cause benefits.</p><p>The analogy to carbon offsets is pretty weak, but I guess it's wry humour of a sort.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems like a lot of people do n't get this.It 's like a swear box .
You know , in an attempt to get out of the habit of swearing , you put a dollar in box every time you swear .
The contents of the box goes to charity.This is exactly the same , except that in this case the habit you 're trying to get out of is releasing bad code.We all sneak out bad code from time to time - " it 's ugly but it works ; I can clean it up , or I can ship it and have an extra hour doing [ insert recreation of choice ] " .
The 'swear box ' makes cleaning it up seem more attractive .
And if you do n't , a worthy cause benefits.The analogy to carbon offsets is pretty weak , but I guess it 's wry humour of a sort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems like a lot of people don't get this.It's like a swear box.
You know, in an attempt to get out of the habit of swearing, you put a dollar in box every time you swear.
The contents of the box goes to charity.This is exactly the same, except that in this case the habit you're trying to get out of is releasing bad code.We all sneak out bad code from time to time - "it's ugly but it works; I can clean it up, or I can ship it and have an extra hour doing  [insert recreation of choice]".
The 'swear box' makes cleaning it up seem more attractive.
And if you don't, a worthy cause benefits.The analogy to carbon offsets is pretty weak, but I guess it's wry humour of a sort.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30320864</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1259861700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think it's that clever. People who frequent WTF think it's the other guy who writes bad code.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think it 's that clever .
People who frequent WTF think it 's the other guy who writes bad code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think it's that clever.
People who frequent WTF think it's the other guy who writes bad code.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315038</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315840</id>
	<title>Re:The only possible way this works is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259833620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do you know it's a horrible idea? You haven't RTFA'd.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you know it 's a horrible idea ?
You have n't RTFA 'd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you know it's a horrible idea?
You haven't RTFA'd.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315102</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315040</id>
	<title>...and now for something entirely unrelated.</title>
	<author>eddy the lip</author>
	<datestamp>1259873520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Hopefully, they work better than carbon offsets, actually."</p><p>Way to ensure this whole thread goes off track, by trolling on an unrelated and politically charged topic. And with an example poorly chosen as proof of anything, at that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Hopefully , they work better than carbon offsets , actually .
" Way to ensure this whole thread goes off track , by trolling on an unrelated and politically charged topic .
And with an example poorly chosen as proof of anything , at that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Hopefully, they work better than carbon offsets, actually.
"Way to ensure this whole thread goes off track, by trolling on an unrelated and politically charged topic.
And with an example poorly chosen as proof of anything, at that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30318808</id>
	<title>Bad Code Cap and Trade</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259845140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Clearly the correct system would be cap and trade. We'll say that only 100,000 lines of bad code can be produced a year and then auction them off. By 2050, we'll be down to only 500 lines of bad code a year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly the correct system would be cap and trade .
We 'll say that only 100,000 lines of bad code can be produced a year and then auction them off .
By 2050 , we 'll be down to only 500 lines of bad code a year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly the correct system would be cap and trade.
We'll say that only 100,000 lines of bad code can be produced a year and then auction them off.
By 2050, we'll be down to only 500 lines of bad code a year.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30322550</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>ais523</author>
	<datestamp>1259932500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There was an interesting suggestion in New Scientist that carbon extraction should be taxed at a relatively high rate, but then the money from the taxes redistributed equally to everyone in the country (and/or world, I suppose, but that would be too hard to organise). That way, governments can't just increase the tax to grab money from people, helping to leave the tax set at an appropriate rate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There was an interesting suggestion in New Scientist that carbon extraction should be taxed at a relatively high rate , but then the money from the taxes redistributed equally to everyone in the country ( and/or world , I suppose , but that would be too hard to organise ) .
That way , governments ca n't just increase the tax to grab money from people , helping to leave the tax set at an appropriate rate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was an interesting suggestion in New Scientist that carbon extraction should be taxed at a relatively high rate, but then the money from the taxes redistributed equally to everyone in the country (and/or world, I suppose, but that would be too hard to organise).
That way, governments can't just increase the tax to grab money from people, helping to leave the tax set at an appropriate rate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315210</id>
	<title>Re:You want me to pay what?</title>
	<author>electrosoccertux</author>
	<datestamp>1259830920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It won't be much if we just place a tax on all software sales.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It wo n't be much if we just place a tax on all software sales .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It won't be much if we just place a tax on all software sales.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30318258</id>
	<title>Re: We should make</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1259842260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>/. editors buy Bad Journalism Offsets for every poorly written summary they write. Spelling errors cost a little, grammatical errors cost a bit more, and flamebait comments cost a day's salary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>/ .
editors buy Bad Journalism Offsets for every poorly written summary they write .
Spelling errors cost a little , grammatical errors cost a bit more , and flamebait comments cost a day 's salary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>/.
editors buy Bad Journalism Offsets for every poorly written summary they write.
Spelling errors cost a little, grammatical errors cost a bit more, and flamebait comments cost a day's salary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30326416</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>TemporalBeing</author>
	<datestamp>1259954100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No no no. Do you know how Carbon offsets work?
<br> <br>
My company spews out X amount of carbon a year. My Government puts a limit to Y amount of Carbon a year. Since it's detrimental to my business (reducing client base) to reduce my carbon output, I can purchase Carbon offsets so that some of my money goes towards greener projects. Thus I keep my clients Happy and I meet government regulation.</p></div><p>Depends on the industry. Some industries you can only trade the offsets between other players in the industry - i.e. the government sets a max for the amount of carbon offsets issued; so everyone trades until they are happy. People not producing much in terms of carbon can get extra funding by selling (or leasing out) their spare carbon offsets to those that need it for whatever reason.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No no no .
Do you know how Carbon offsets work ?
My company spews out X amount of carbon a year .
My Government puts a limit to Y amount of Carbon a year .
Since it 's detrimental to my business ( reducing client base ) to reduce my carbon output , I can purchase Carbon offsets so that some of my money goes towards greener projects .
Thus I keep my clients Happy and I meet government regulation.Depends on the industry .
Some industries you can only trade the offsets between other players in the industry - i.e .
the government sets a max for the amount of carbon offsets issued ; so everyone trades until they are happy .
People not producing much in terms of carbon can get extra funding by selling ( or leasing out ) their spare carbon offsets to those that need it for whatever reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No no no.
Do you know how Carbon offsets work?
My company spews out X amount of carbon a year.
My Government puts a limit to Y amount of Carbon a year.
Since it's detrimental to my business (reducing client base) to reduce my carbon output, I can purchase Carbon offsets so that some of my money goes towards greener projects.
Thus I keep my clients Happy and I meet government regulation.Depends on the industry.
Some industries you can only trade the offsets between other players in the industry - i.e.
the government sets a max for the amount of carbon offsets issued; so everyone trades until they are happy.
People not producing much in terms of carbon can get extra funding by selling (or leasing out) their spare carbon offsets to those that need it for whatever reason.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315792</id>
	<title>Re:Not realistic</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1259833380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft will simply follow the same methods used by the carbon offset people.</p><p>You pay your money to a carbon offset company, that you yourself own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft will simply follow the same methods used by the carbon offset people.You pay your money to a carbon offset company , that you yourself own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft will simply follow the same methods used by the carbon offset people.You pay your money to a carbon offset company, that you yourself own.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315048</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315134</id>
	<title>Re:Not realistic</title>
	<author>JCSoRocks</author>
	<datestamp>1259873880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In other news, a handful of well known FOSS projects are reported to have been given an incredible amount of money. Apparently the sum total of the donations is remarkably close to equaling Microsoft's cash reserves. Microsoft, however, has not commented on this claim.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news , a handful of well known FOSS projects are reported to have been given an incredible amount of money .
Apparently the sum total of the donations is remarkably close to equaling Microsoft 's cash reserves .
Microsoft , however , has not commented on this claim .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news, a handful of well known FOSS projects are reported to have been given an incredible amount of money.
Apparently the sum total of the donations is remarkably close to equaling Microsoft's cash reserves.
Microsoft, however, has not commented on this claim.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315388</id>
	<title>Re:...and now for something entirely unrelated.</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1259831580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Way to ensure this whole thread goes off track, by trolling on an unrelated and politically charged topic. And with an example poorly chosen as proof of anything, at that.</p></div></blockquote><p>Too bad the moderation system for the most part extends only to comments and not the front page story its self.  Mod the story and the editors -1 troll, dupe etc. and filter the front page like you would the comments in the story.  If a story is modded into the ground, it doesn't show up on the front if you've set your view threshold high enough.  That way we could filter out some of the more poorly written stories and give the editors a good reason to do their jobs properly otherwise there's a reduction in page views.<br>
&nbsp; Anyway to get this back on topic...  These bad code offsets just look like another way to donate to various projects in a more marketable fashion.  Sending a check to Mozilla is apparently not as interesting as donating through these "bad code offsets."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Way to ensure this whole thread goes off track , by trolling on an unrelated and politically charged topic .
And with an example poorly chosen as proof of anything , at that.Too bad the moderation system for the most part extends only to comments and not the front page story its self .
Mod the story and the editors -1 troll , dupe etc .
and filter the front page like you would the comments in the story .
If a story is modded into the ground , it does n't show up on the front if you 've set your view threshold high enough .
That way we could filter out some of the more poorly written stories and give the editors a good reason to do their jobs properly otherwise there 's a reduction in page views .
  Anyway to get this back on topic... These bad code offsets just look like another way to donate to various projects in a more marketable fashion .
Sending a check to Mozilla is apparently not as interesting as donating through these " bad code offsets .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Way to ensure this whole thread goes off track, by trolling on an unrelated and politically charged topic.
And with an example poorly chosen as proof of anything, at that.Too bad the moderation system for the most part extends only to comments and not the front page story its self.
Mod the story and the editors -1 troll, dupe etc.
and filter the front page like you would the comments in the story.
If a story is modded into the ground, it doesn't show up on the front if you've set your view threshold high enough.
That way we could filter out some of the more poorly written stories and give the editors a good reason to do their jobs properly otherwise there's a reduction in page views.
  Anyway to get this back on topic...  These bad code offsets just look like another way to donate to various projects in a more marketable fashion.
Sending a check to Mozilla is apparently not as interesting as donating through these "bad code offsets.
"
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315364</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>Atario</author>
	<datestamp>1259831460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm so sick of this meme.</p><p>Papal indulgences were charging money for a paper that says "well, that's ok, never mind" from the Pope.</p><p>Carbon offsets are money to fund programs that actually help the environment (with luck, help enough to undo what harm you did in the first place, or even more).</p><p>One is about meaningless bullshit.  The other is about actual, real-world, physical fixes to actual, real-world, physical problems.  Like, involving chemicals and engineering and stuff.</p><p>There <i>is</i> a difference, Al-Gore-phobes, and making this false analogy only makes you look stupid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm so sick of this meme.Papal indulgences were charging money for a paper that says " well , that 's ok , never mind " from the Pope.Carbon offsets are money to fund programs that actually help the environment ( with luck , help enough to undo what harm you did in the first place , or even more ) .One is about meaningless bullshit .
The other is about actual , real-world , physical fixes to actual , real-world , physical problems .
Like , involving chemicals and engineering and stuff.There is a difference , Al-Gore-phobes , and making this false analogy only makes you look stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm so sick of this meme.Papal indulgences were charging money for a paper that says "well, that's ok, never mind" from the Pope.Carbon offsets are money to fund programs that actually help the environment (with luck, help enough to undo what harm you did in the first place, or even more).One is about meaningless bullshit.
The other is about actual, real-world, physical fixes to actual, real-world, physical problems.
Like, involving chemicals and engineering and stuff.There is a difference, Al-Gore-phobes, and making this false analogy only makes you look stupid.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315006</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315836</id>
	<title>Re:Jeff Atwood a big name?</title>
	<author>slim</author>
	<datestamp>1259833560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The guy that thinks that Stackoverflow, essentially a simplified web forum that could be designed by a semi-literate PHP monkey in 48 hours of work, is a major feat of software engineering?</p></div><p>Your point is addressed here:<br><a href="http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001284.html" title="codinghorror.com">http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001284.html</a> [codinghorror.com]</p><p>If stackoverflow is so simple, why is there no other site that does the job as well?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The guy that thinks that Stackoverflow , essentially a simplified web forum that could be designed by a semi-literate PHP monkey in 48 hours of work , is a major feat of software engineering ? Your point is addressed here : http : //www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001284.html [ codinghorror.com ] If stackoverflow is so simple , why is there no other site that does the job as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The guy that thinks that Stackoverflow, essentially a simplified web forum that could be designed by a semi-literate PHP monkey in 48 hours of work, is a major feat of software engineering?Your point is addressed here:http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001284.html [codinghorror.com]If stackoverflow is so simple, why is there no other site that does the job as well?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30318992</id>
	<title>Re:Gave up on DailyWTF</title>
	<author>firewrought</author>
	<datestamp>1259846160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The fun part about the site was laughing at real IT blunders. But Alex and his creative writing team overdid the writing.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Amen... the writing is atrociously self-conceited. Like bad joke-tellers, they'll focus so much energy on the "dramatic" buildup that they mis-deliver the punchline; the conclusion will be ambiguous and forum comments struggle to determine the real WTF. Alex periodically solicits feedback on his site... I'm surprised that he hasn't gotten the hint yet.
<br> <br>
Credit where due, though... for all the fake cleverness on TheDailyWTF, I thought "bad code offsets" were a rather good (and intentional) jab at carbon trading.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fun part about the site was laughing at real IT blunders .
But Alex and his creative writing team overdid the writing .
Amen... the writing is atrociously self-conceited .
Like bad joke-tellers , they 'll focus so much energy on the " dramatic " buildup that they mis-deliver the punchline ; the conclusion will be ambiguous and forum comments struggle to determine the real WTF .
Alex periodically solicits feedback on his site... I 'm surprised that he has n't gotten the hint yet .
Credit where due , though... for all the fake cleverness on TheDailyWTF , I thought " bad code offsets " were a rather good ( and intentional ) jab at carbon trading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fun part about the site was laughing at real IT blunders.
But Alex and his creative writing team overdid the writing.
Amen... the writing is atrociously self-conceited.
Like bad joke-tellers, they'll focus so much energy on the "dramatic" buildup that they mis-deliver the punchline; the conclusion will be ambiguous and forum comments struggle to determine the real WTF.
Alex periodically solicits feedback on his site... I'm surprised that he hasn't gotten the hint yet.
Credit where due, though... for all the fake cleverness on TheDailyWTF, I thought "bad code offsets" were a rather good (and intentional) jab at carbon trading.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317410</id>
	<title>Ha Ha</title>
	<author>morgauxo</author>
	<datestamp>1259838780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Must be April fools day again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Must be April fools day again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Must be April fools day again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30318038</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>internettoughguy</author>
	<datestamp>1259841300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><div><p>The best incentive I can think of is to transfer most if not all income taxes into resource taxes, since the wealthy are experts at dodging taxes, they may well become experts at using less resources.</p><div><div><p>For the fuck-knuckle GP: Don't forget that the ones with faith here are the ones denying a growing body of scientific evidence, and indeed logic itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best incentive I can think of is to transfer most if not all income taxes into resource taxes , since the wealthy are experts at dodging taxes , they may well become experts at using less resources.For the fuck-knuckle GP : Do n't forget that the ones with faith here are the ones denying a growing body of scientific evidence , and indeed logic itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best incentive I can think of is to transfer most if not all income taxes into resource taxes, since the wealthy are experts at dodging taxes, they may well become experts at using less resources.For the fuck-knuckle GP: Don't forget that the ones with faith here are the ones denying a growing body of scientific evidence, and indeed logic itself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30322106</id>
	<title>phantastic xmas gift for linux developers!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259923380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>10x $5k offset = ideal gift for linus torvalds</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>10x $ 5k offset = ideal gift for linus torvalds</tokentext>
<sentencetext>10x $5k offset = ideal gift for linus torvalds</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316258</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>aepervius</author>
	<datestamp>1259835240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>you buy them as penance for bad code you've already written.</i> : I am ruined beyond redemption...</htmltext>
<tokenext>you buy them as penance for bad code you 've already written .
: I am ruined beyond redemption.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you buy them as penance for bad code you've already written.
: I am ruined beyond redemption...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30318014</id>
	<title>Re:It's like a swear box</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259841180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks for this explanation. Even after reading the site I was a little confused. If their goal is indeed to raise money, then one would expect them to make this somewhat more explicit. Creating an amusing front is one thing, but letting it obscure their goal...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for this explanation .
Even after reading the site I was a little confused .
If their goal is indeed to raise money , then one would expect them to make this somewhat more explicit .
Creating an amusing front is one thing , but letting it obscure their goal.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for this explanation.
Even after reading the site I was a little confused.
If their goal is indeed to raise money, then one would expect them to make this somewhat more explicit.
Creating an amusing front is one thing, but letting it obscure their goal...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315608</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316198</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259835000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How Carbon Offsets really work:</p><p>http://storyofstuff.com/capandtrade/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How Carbon Offsets really work : http : //storyofstuff.com/capandtrade/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How Carbon Offsets really work:http://storyofstuff.com/capandtrade/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317364</id>
	<title>Carbon Offsets Work</title>
	<author>Doc Ruby</author>
	<datestamp>1259838660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Hopefully, they work <em>better</em> than <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk\_news/8383869.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">carbon offsets</a> [bbc.co.uk], actually.</p></div></blockquote><p>That claim of failure says:</p><blockquote><div><p>Consumer carbon offset schemes do not lead people to change their behaviour, the first holiday firm to run such a scheme has argued.</p></div></blockquote><p>But that "argument" is a strawman. Those carbon offsets are not primarily designed to change behavior by making them more expensive. They're designed to charge money for polluting behavior that is then spent reducing pollution:</p><blockquote><div><p>Money raised under the schemes is used to pay for carbon reduction projects in developing countries, such as installing solar power or capturing methane gas released by farm animals.</p></div></blockquote><p>Economics says that the extra charge will also tend to curb the more expensive behavior. But if that's not happening, it's <i>capitalism</i> that's wrong. The carbon offsets are still funding the carbon reduction projects. Until there's proof that those projects don't reduce carbon, that argument against carbon offsets is a fallacy.</p><p>Now, it's possible that the carbon reduction projects funded by carbon offsets don't reduce as much carbon as the offsets pay to keep producing. Which just means that the carbon offsets should be more expensive (or offset less carbon for the same price, and make it up in volume). It's also certain that carbon pollution is subsidized in many ways that mask the true cost (which generally comes when cleaning up the mess that carbon pollution eventually makes, which is vastly more expensive than the polluting system cost to operate, but which others pay for). The carbon offset prices might just be too small and get lost in the much larger economics of the subsidies, and indeed in artificial costs making carbon reduction project prices higher (droughts in Africa interfering with solar projects, for example).</p><p>But just because some travel outfit tried and failed to make money on a carbon offset program doesn't mean that its fallacious arguments for dropping the program are worth repeating.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hopefully , they work better than carbon offsets [ bbc.co.uk ] , actually.That claim of failure says : Consumer carbon offset schemes do not lead people to change their behaviour , the first holiday firm to run such a scheme has argued.But that " argument " is a strawman .
Those carbon offsets are not primarily designed to change behavior by making them more expensive .
They 're designed to charge money for polluting behavior that is then spent reducing pollution : Money raised under the schemes is used to pay for carbon reduction projects in developing countries , such as installing solar power or capturing methane gas released by farm animals.Economics says that the extra charge will also tend to curb the more expensive behavior .
But if that 's not happening , it 's capitalism that 's wrong .
The carbon offsets are still funding the carbon reduction projects .
Until there 's proof that those projects do n't reduce carbon , that argument against carbon offsets is a fallacy.Now , it 's possible that the carbon reduction projects funded by carbon offsets do n't reduce as much carbon as the offsets pay to keep producing .
Which just means that the carbon offsets should be more expensive ( or offset less carbon for the same price , and make it up in volume ) .
It 's also certain that carbon pollution is subsidized in many ways that mask the true cost ( which generally comes when cleaning up the mess that carbon pollution eventually makes , which is vastly more expensive than the polluting system cost to operate , but which others pay for ) .
The carbon offset prices might just be too small and get lost in the much larger economics of the subsidies , and indeed in artificial costs making carbon reduction project prices higher ( droughts in Africa interfering with solar projects , for example ) .But just because some travel outfit tried and failed to make money on a carbon offset program does n't mean that its fallacious arguments for dropping the program are worth repeating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully, they work better than carbon offsets [bbc.co.uk], actually.That claim of failure says:Consumer carbon offset schemes do not lead people to change their behaviour, the first holiday firm to run such a scheme has argued.But that "argument" is a strawman.
Those carbon offsets are not primarily designed to change behavior by making them more expensive.
They're designed to charge money for polluting behavior that is then spent reducing pollution:Money raised under the schemes is used to pay for carbon reduction projects in developing countries, such as installing solar power or capturing methane gas released by farm animals.Economics says that the extra charge will also tend to curb the more expensive behavior.
But if that's not happening, it's capitalism that's wrong.
The carbon offsets are still funding the carbon reduction projects.
Until there's proof that those projects don't reduce carbon, that argument against carbon offsets is a fallacy.Now, it's possible that the carbon reduction projects funded by carbon offsets don't reduce as much carbon as the offsets pay to keep producing.
Which just means that the carbon offsets should be more expensive (or offset less carbon for the same price, and make it up in volume).
It's also certain that carbon pollution is subsidized in many ways that mask the true cost (which generally comes when cleaning up the mess that carbon pollution eventually makes, which is vastly more expensive than the polluting system cost to operate, but which others pay for).
The carbon offset prices might just be too small and get lost in the much larger economics of the subsidies, and indeed in artificial costs making carbon reduction project prices higher (droughts in Africa interfering with solar projects, for example).But just because some travel outfit tried and failed to make money on a carbon offset program doesn't mean that its fallacious arguments for dropping the program are worth repeating.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315354</id>
	<title>If you write bad code...</title>
	<author>croftj</author>
	<datestamp>1259831460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the world would be better off if you just kept it to yourself. No need for the bad code offsets.</p><p>With that said, I have yet to run nto a developer who confessed to writing bad code. I know my code is all peaches and cream!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the world would be better off if you just kept it to yourself .
No need for the bad code offsets.With that said , I have yet to run nto a developer who confessed to writing bad code .
I know my code is all peaches and cream !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the world would be better off if you just kept it to yourself.
No need for the bad code offsets.With that said, I have yet to run nto a developer who confessed to writing bad code.
I know my code is all peaches and cream!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30320578</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259858460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about releasing bad code, everyone bitches about that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about releasing bad code , everyone bitches about that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about releasing bad code, everyone bitches about that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30330246</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259927220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>just as with carbon offsets...</p><p>if you cannot possibly write good code, you have to pay<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... someone to fix it, penance to the world for making it worse, excuse for the damages, etc... in other words, lots of bad karma</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>just as with carbon offsets...if you can not possibly write good code , you have to pay ... someone to fix it , penance to the world for making it worse , excuse for the damages , etc... in other words , lots of bad karma</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just as with carbon offsets...if you cannot possibly write good code, you have to pay ... someone to fix it, penance to the world for making it worse, excuse for the damages, etc... in other words, lots of bad karma</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316562</id>
	<title>Christmas!</title>
	<author>tinskip</author>
	<datestamp>1259836140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a wonderful way to piss some programmers off!  Buy a bunch of these and hand them out as Christmas gifts!!</p><p>I can certainly think of some that could use them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a wonderful way to piss some programmers off !
Buy a bunch of these and hand them out as Christmas gifts !
! I can certainly think of some that could use them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a wonderful way to piss some programmers off!
Buy a bunch of these and hand them out as Christmas gifts!
!I can certainly think of some that could use them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315442</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>Obfuscant</author>
	<datestamp>1259831880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>My company spews out X amount of carbon a year. My Government puts a limit to Y amount of Carbon a year. </i> <p>
For your specific type of business. Other businesses have other limits. Other governments put other limits, or no limits, on businesses in their jurisdiction.</p><p>
<i>Since it's detrimental to my business (reducing client base) to reduce my carbon output,...</i> </p><p>
I don't know what you mean by "reducing client base". You won't lose clients if you reduce your carbon output. It may cost you a VERY large bundle of money to do it, or it may be technically impossible to do it. In either case, under that specific regulatory policy, it is more profitable to buy "credits" than to actually reduce your carbon emissions. Or it may be more profitable to simply move your company to a country where such silliness isn't public policy.</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><i>... I can purchase Carbon offsets so that some of my money goes towards greener projects.</i> </p><p>
You are sending the money to the government, or some company making a profit off of buying and selling credits. Those "carbon offsets" you are buying are carbon emissions NOT being used by other companies, who have sold their credits. There is no reason to believe that your carbon offset payment goes to "greener projects", and no reason to believe that your payment has reduced the total level of carbon emissions.</p><p>
<i>Thus I keep my clients Happy and I meet government regulation.</i> </p><p>
Thus you keep your stockholders in the black, whether they are happy about being taxed or not. You meet government regulation, but not necessarily any environmentally beneficial goals.</p><p>
Now, if the system was to actually provide tax credits for actual emission reductions, that would be fair and environmentally beneficial. Just swapping "credits" is a ludicrous waste of effort.</p><p>
<i>You want to reduce the amount of Bad code you may have done, but you can't go back and change it. Buy a bad code offset.</i> </p><p>
You have even less reason to believe that a "bad code offset" will actually reduce any of the bad code you've already released than believing that a carbon offset will reduce carbon emissions. It's a touchy-feely, feel-good, politically-correct concept with little real effect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My company spews out X amount of carbon a year .
My Government puts a limit to Y amount of Carbon a year .
For your specific type of business .
Other businesses have other limits .
Other governments put other limits , or no limits , on businesses in their jurisdiction .
Since it 's detrimental to my business ( reducing client base ) to reduce my carbon output,.. . I do n't know what you mean by " reducing client base " .
You wo n't lose clients if you reduce your carbon output .
It may cost you a VERY large bundle of money to do it , or it may be technically impossible to do it .
In either case , under that specific regulatory policy , it is more profitable to buy " credits " than to actually reduce your carbon emissions .
Or it may be more profitable to simply move your company to a country where such silliness is n't public policy .
... I can purchase Carbon offsets so that some of my money goes towards greener projects .
You are sending the money to the government , or some company making a profit off of buying and selling credits .
Those " carbon offsets " you are buying are carbon emissions NOT being used by other companies , who have sold their credits .
There is no reason to believe that your carbon offset payment goes to " greener projects " , and no reason to believe that your payment has reduced the total level of carbon emissions .
Thus I keep my clients Happy and I meet government regulation .
Thus you keep your stockholders in the black , whether they are happy about being taxed or not .
You meet government regulation , but not necessarily any environmentally beneficial goals .
Now , if the system was to actually provide tax credits for actual emission reductions , that would be fair and environmentally beneficial .
Just swapping " credits " is a ludicrous waste of effort .
You want to reduce the amount of Bad code you may have done , but you ca n't go back and change it .
Buy a bad code offset .
You have even less reason to believe that a " bad code offset " will actually reduce any of the bad code you 've already released than believing that a carbon offset will reduce carbon emissions .
It 's a touchy-feely , feel-good , politically-correct concept with little real effect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My company spews out X amount of carbon a year.
My Government puts a limit to Y amount of Carbon a year.
For your specific type of business.
Other businesses have other limits.
Other governments put other limits, or no limits, on businesses in their jurisdiction.
Since it's detrimental to my business (reducing client base) to reduce my carbon output,... 
I don't know what you mean by "reducing client base".
You won't lose clients if you reduce your carbon output.
It may cost you a VERY large bundle of money to do it, or it may be technically impossible to do it.
In either case, under that specific regulatory policy, it is more profitable to buy "credits" than to actually reduce your carbon emissions.
Or it may be more profitable to simply move your company to a country where such silliness isn't public policy.
... I can purchase Carbon offsets so that some of my money goes towards greener projects.
You are sending the money to the government, or some company making a profit off of buying and selling credits.
Those "carbon offsets" you are buying are carbon emissions NOT being used by other companies, who have sold their credits.
There is no reason to believe that your carbon offset payment goes to "greener projects", and no reason to believe that your payment has reduced the total level of carbon emissions.
Thus I keep my clients Happy and I meet government regulation.
Thus you keep your stockholders in the black, whether they are happy about being taxed or not.
You meet government regulation, but not necessarily any environmentally beneficial goals.
Now, if the system was to actually provide tax credits for actual emission reductions, that would be fair and environmentally beneficial.
Just swapping "credits" is a ludicrous waste of effort.
You want to reduce the amount of Bad code you may have done, but you can't go back and change it.
Buy a bad code offset.
You have even less reason to believe that a "bad code offset" will actually reduce any of the bad code you've already released than believing that a carbon offset will reduce carbon emissions.
It's a touchy-feely, feel-good, politically-correct concept with little real effect.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315166</id>
	<title>Re-apply faulty offset concept....</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1259873940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...to yet another place it will not work.</p><p>A single incorrect critical line of code has the potential to bring down a system just like a single loose coupling on a remote control aircraft will bring turn it into a pile of broken wood. In some things any less than 100\% just won't do the job. You can't offset that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...to yet another place it will not work.A single incorrect critical line of code has the potential to bring down a system just like a single loose coupling on a remote control aircraft will bring turn it into a pile of broken wood .
In some things any less than 100 \ % just wo n't do the job .
You ca n't offset that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...to yet another place it will not work.A single incorrect critical line of code has the potential to bring down a system just like a single loose coupling on a remote control aircraft will bring turn it into a pile of broken wood.
In some things any less than 100\% just won't do the job.
You can't offset that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316188</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>jgtg32a</author>
	<datestamp>1259834940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IDK it doesn't make any sense to me you might want to ask Al Gore and Arnold Schwarzenegger they both purchase Carbon Credits to offset their lifestyles.</htmltext>
<tokenext>IDK it does n't make any sense to me you might want to ask Al Gore and Arnold Schwarzenegger they both purchase Carbon Credits to offset their lifestyles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IDK it doesn't make any sense to me you might want to ask Al Gore and Arnold Schwarzenegger they both purchase Carbon Credits to offset their lifestyles.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316350</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259835600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mod:  -1 Whiner</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod : -1 Whiner</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod:  -1 Whiner</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317390</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>felipekk</author>
	<datestamp>1259838720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, it is being used to make sure that the Sun remains in power over our lives.</p><p>Soon we will remember that...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , it is being used to make sure that the Sun remains in power over our lives.Soon we will remember that.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, it is being used to make sure that the Sun remains in power over our lives.Soon we will remember that...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315242</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315628</id>
	<title>Jeff Atwood a big name?</title>
	<author>thetagger</author>
	<datestamp>1259832720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, kill me. Is he the guy that thinks that you can only discuss programming in English because other human languages would lack terms for stuff such as "linked lists" and so on? The guy that thinks that Stackoverflow, essentially a simplified web forum that could be designed by a semi-literate PHP monkey in 48 hours of work, is a major feat of software engineering?</p><p>There was a time when you had to do more than become a famous blogger's pet to become a well-known name in the industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , kill me .
Is he the guy that thinks that you can only discuss programming in English because other human languages would lack terms for stuff such as " linked lists " and so on ?
The guy that thinks that Stackoverflow , essentially a simplified web forum that could be designed by a semi-literate PHP monkey in 48 hours of work , is a major feat of software engineering ? There was a time when you had to do more than become a famous blogger 's pet to become a well-known name in the industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, kill me.
Is he the guy that thinks that you can only discuss programming in English because other human languages would lack terms for stuff such as "linked lists" and so on?
The guy that thinks that Stackoverflow, essentially a simplified web forum that could be designed by a semi-literate PHP monkey in 48 hours of work, is a major feat of software engineering?There was a time when you had to do more than become a famous blogger's pet to become a well-known name in the industry.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316118</id>
	<title>Re:If you write bad code...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259834640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good for you Sir.</p><p>For all you bad-ass coders out there - Buy your iNdulgences with a smile and be merry - Or burn in Hell for eternity<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good for you Sir.For all you bad-ass coders out there - Buy your iNdulgences with a smile and be merry - Or burn in Hell for eternity : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good for you Sir.For all you bad-ass coders out there - Buy your iNdulgences with a smile and be merry - Or burn in Hell for eternity :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315278</id>
	<title>Lutherans</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259831160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a Catholic, let me tell all you greens and bad coders that letting people buy their way out of their sins just gets stuff nailed to your door.  But good luck with it anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a Catholic , let me tell all you greens and bad coders that letting people buy their way out of their sins just gets stuff nailed to your door .
But good luck with it anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a Catholic, let me tell all you greens and bad coders that letting people buy their way out of their sins just gets stuff nailed to your door.
But good luck with it anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315768</id>
	<title>Geek20 Summit</title>
	<author>CranberryKing</author>
	<datestamp>1259833320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>will determine that the big name software developers will have to pay for their Bad Code Offsets to the the non-big name developers. But then it will turn out that the non-big name developers don't give a shit, so then coding for anything beyond 'hello world' will become economically infeasible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>will determine that the big name software developers will have to pay for their Bad Code Offsets to the the non-big name developers .
But then it will turn out that the non-big name developers do n't give a shit , so then coding for anything beyond 'hello world ' will become economically infeasible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>will determine that the big name software developers will have to pay for their Bad Code Offsets to the the non-big name developers.
But then it will turn out that the non-big name developers don't give a shit, so then coding for anything beyond 'hello world' will become economically infeasible.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316066</id>
	<title>Not the first time...</title>
	<author>fortapocalypse</author>
	<datestamp>1259834460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Code offsets are actually the 2009 version of buying code indulgences, which had to be done at a special room in Carnegie Mellon in the 50's. Prior to that there were animal sacrifices, sometimes human - but only if there was smoking equipment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Code offsets are actually the 2009 version of buying code indulgences , which had to be done at a special room in Carnegie Mellon in the 50 's .
Prior to that there were animal sacrifices , sometimes human - but only if there was smoking equipment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Code offsets are actually the 2009 version of buying code indulgences, which had to be done at a special room in Carnegie Mellon in the 50's.
Prior to that there were animal sacrifices, sometimes human - but only if there was smoking equipment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316476</id>
	<title>Re:cyber-indugences</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259835960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>*WHOOSH*</htmltext>
<tokenext>* WHOOSH *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*WHOOSH*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30328588</id>
	<title>The mystery of TopCod3r</title>
	<author>AlpineR</author>
	<datestamp>1259919780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do we know that he was banned? Might he not have just gotten fed up and walked away himself? As I remember, TopCod3r was a sincere and gifted troll. He wrote comments that were funny and insightful to anybody with two functioning brain cells. Yet half the comments that followed were TDWTFers arguing about how misguided he was.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do we know that he was banned ?
Might he not have just gotten fed up and walked away himself ?
As I remember , TopCod3r was a sincere and gifted troll .
He wrote comments that were funny and insightful to anybody with two functioning brain cells .
Yet half the comments that followed were TDWTFers arguing about how misguided he was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do we know that he was banned?
Might he not have just gotten fed up and walked away himself?
As I remember, TopCod3r was a sincere and gifted troll.
He wrote comments that were funny and insightful to anybody with two functioning brain cells.
Yet half the comments that followed were TDWTFers arguing about how misguided he was.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315474</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>TooMuchToDo</author>
	<datestamp>1259832000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have to disagree a bit. We buy carbon offsets for our company for the driving we have to do between datacenters/client sites/etc, because this is unavoidable driving. That carbon offset spending will shift to electric vehicle purchases from Tesla when the price comes down a bit more (we've already reserved a Model S Sedan as a company car, but they're still too expensive to get for everyone).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to disagree a bit .
We buy carbon offsets for our company for the driving we have to do between datacenters/client sites/etc , because this is unavoidable driving .
That carbon offset spending will shift to electric vehicle purchases from Tesla when the price comes down a bit more ( we 've already reserved a Model S Sedan as a company car , but they 're still too expensive to get for everyone ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to disagree a bit.
We buy carbon offsets for our company for the driving we have to do between datacenters/client sites/etc, because this is unavoidable driving.
That carbon offset spending will shift to electric vehicle purchases from Tesla when the price comes down a bit more (we've already reserved a Model S Sedan as a company car, but they're still too expensive to get for everyone).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315006</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317896</id>
	<title>Re:Gave up on DailyWTF</title>
	<author>dkf</author>
	<datestamp>1259840640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The day Alex announced this was the day I finally stopped reading the DailyWTF.</p></div><p>They've had a couple of good ones this week.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The day Alex announced this was the day I finally stopped reading the DailyWTF.They 've had a couple of good ones this week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The day Alex announced this was the day I finally stopped reading the DailyWTF.They've had a couple of good ones this week.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315508</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317156</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259837940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>They are an attempt to provide an economic incentive to pollute less. Without such incentive, the tragedy of the commons ensures we will wreck our collective selves while seeking individual profits.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Instead of carbon offsets, why not tax carbon directly?
</p><p>
Any carbon extracted from the ground in coal or gas format will be taxed per ton.  Carbon derived from recent organic sources (trees, crops) would be exempt from the tax.
</p><p>
Increase the taxes until our carbon use is at some desired target.
</p><p>
The only downside that I see is that, in plastics, carbon use doesn't necessarily translate to carbon dioxide being released into the atmosphere.  OTOH, a manufacturer tends not to be able to show that a plastic container isn't later incinerated.  So the system isn't perfect, but it is good enough.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are an attempt to provide an economic incentive to pollute less .
Without such incentive , the tragedy of the commons ensures we will wreck our collective selves while seeking individual profits .
Instead of carbon offsets , why not tax carbon directly ?
Any carbon extracted from the ground in coal or gas format will be taxed per ton .
Carbon derived from recent organic sources ( trees , crops ) would be exempt from the tax .
Increase the taxes until our carbon use is at some desired target .
The only downside that I see is that , in plastics , carbon use does n't necessarily translate to carbon dioxide being released into the atmosphere .
OTOH , a manufacturer tends not to be able to show that a plastic container is n't later incinerated .
So the system is n't perfect , but it is good enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are an attempt to provide an economic incentive to pollute less.
Without such incentive, the tragedy of the commons ensures we will wreck our collective selves while seeking individual profits.
Instead of carbon offsets, why not tax carbon directly?
Any carbon extracted from the ground in coal or gas format will be taxed per ton.
Carbon derived from recent organic sources (trees, crops) would be exempt from the tax.
Increase the taxes until our carbon use is at some desired target.
The only downside that I see is that, in plastics, carbon use doesn't necessarily translate to carbon dioxide being released into the atmosphere.
OTOH, a manufacturer tends not to be able to show that a plastic container isn't later incinerated.
So the system isn't perfect, but it is good enough.

	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315404</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315048</id>
	<title>Not realistic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't really see how Microsoft can afford this...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't really see how Microsoft can afford this.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't really see how Microsoft can afford this...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314960</id>
	<title>Put your "oh oh" in my "oh oh."</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>She got a pussy in her panties<br>She wore a pussy thong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>She got a pussy in her pantiesShe wore a pussy thong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>She got a pussy in her pantiesShe wore a pussy thong.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30321026</id>
	<title>Re:Apache &amp; FreeBSD = bad code?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259863320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yea, these guys here at slashdot are reading my mind (dons tinfoil hat). This is their revenge for some particular PHP trolling in order to appease their hippie masters. (hahaha, curls mustache in a menacing way) little do they know that they are playing directly into my plans (I knew they'd be reading my mind! BWAHHAHA!!!)... you see it was actually a well placed troll from a fictional bitter BSD advocate, note the keyword "fictional". You see if they hadn't reacted this way they would have affirmed their unfamiliarity with the concept...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...what's that knocking?</p><p>CMDRTACO! Nooooooo</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yea , these guys here at slashdot are reading my mind ( dons tinfoil hat ) .
This is their revenge for some particular PHP trolling in order to appease their hippie masters .
( hahaha , curls mustache in a menacing way ) little do they know that they are playing directly into my plans ( I knew they 'd be reading my mind !
BWAHHAHA ! ! ! ) ... you see it was actually a well placed troll from a fictional bitter BSD advocate , note the keyword " fictional " .
You see if they had n't reacted this way they would have affirmed their unfamiliarity with the concept... ...what 's that knocking ? CMDRTACO !
Nooooooo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yea, these guys here at slashdot are reading my mind (dons tinfoil hat).
This is their revenge for some particular PHP trolling in order to appease their hippie masters.
(hahaha, curls mustache in a menacing way) little do they know that they are playing directly into my plans (I knew they'd be reading my mind!
BWAHHAHA!!!)... you see it was actually a well placed troll from a fictional bitter BSD advocate, note the keyword "fictional".
You see if they hadn't reacted this way they would have affirmed their unfamiliarity with the concept... ...what's that knocking?CMDRTACO!
Nooooooo</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314988</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315964</id>
	<title>Re:Apache &amp; FreeBSD = bad code?</title>
	<author>blackfrancis75</author>
	<datestamp>1259833980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I skim read it that way too at first, and I was like 'whoa'!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I skim read it that way too at first , and I was like 'whoa ' !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I skim read it that way too at first, and I was like 'whoa'!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314988</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316672</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>d34dluk3</author>
	<datestamp>1259836440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They are an attempt to provide an <b>economic incentive</b> to pollute less.</p> </div><p>Several studies have shown that these types of incentives tend to cause the behavior to become worse, because they introduce an economic incentive that releases people from their moral incentive. If I can buy off my guilt for a few bucks, I have reduced my motivation not to pollute/write bad code.

The fact that this same social effect took place with regard to indulgences (people 'sinned' more) undermines your claim that this is any different. Whether or not you feel motivated by hell doesn't change the fact that people then were. How would you like people to come along in a couple of hundred years and mock you for your naivety?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are an attempt to provide an economic incentive to pollute less .
Several studies have shown that these types of incentives tend to cause the behavior to become worse , because they introduce an economic incentive that releases people from their moral incentive .
If I can buy off my guilt for a few bucks , I have reduced my motivation not to pollute/write bad code .
The fact that this same social effect took place with regard to indulgences ( people 'sinned ' more ) undermines your claim that this is any different .
Whether or not you feel motivated by hell does n't change the fact that people then were .
How would you like people to come along in a couple of hundred years and mock you for your naivety ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are an attempt to provide an economic incentive to pollute less.
Several studies have shown that these types of incentives tend to cause the behavior to become worse, because they introduce an economic incentive that releases people from their moral incentive.
If I can buy off my guilt for a few bucks, I have reduced my motivation not to pollute/write bad code.
The fact that this same social effect took place with regard to indulgences (people 'sinned' more) undermines your claim that this is any different.
Whether or not you feel motivated by hell doesn't change the fact that people then were.
How would you like people to come along in a couple of hundred years and mock you for your naivety?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315404</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30318882</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259845500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This reminds me of an Andrew Bolt column some years back. His basic argument went like this:</p><p>1. All religions are based on lies.<br>2. Environmentalism is based on lies.<br>3. Therefore Environmentalism is a religion.</p><p>Spot the logical flaw...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me of an Andrew Bolt column some years back .
His basic argument went like this : 1 .
All religions are based on lies.2 .
Environmentalism is based on lies.3 .
Therefore Environmentalism is a religion.Spot the logical flaw.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me of an Andrew Bolt column some years back.
His basic argument went like this:1.
All religions are based on lies.2.
Environmentalism is based on lies.3.
Therefore Environmentalism is a religion.Spot the logical flaw...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315242</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315612</id>
	<title>grammar offsets</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259832660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The author of the tagline should buy a grammar offset for misusing that unfortunate comma.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The author of the tagline should buy a grammar offset for misusing that unfortunate comma .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The author of the tagline should buy a grammar offset for misusing that unfortunate comma.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30320610</id>
	<title>Why stop there?</title>
	<author>formfeed</author>
	<datestamp>1259858700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>carbon offsets: making up for your pollution by supporting green projects.<br>
bad code offsets: making up for your bad code by supporting open source projects.<br>
blonde joke offsets: making up for your blonde jokes by donating to Gloria Steinem.<br>
idiocy offsets: making up for voting W by supporting inner city youth projects. <br>
netnerd offsets: making up for that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. comment by posting something really insightful on someones blog.</htmltext>
<tokenext>carbon offsets : making up for your pollution by supporting green projects .
bad code offsets : making up for your bad code by supporting open source projects .
blonde joke offsets : making up for your blonde jokes by donating to Gloria Steinem .
idiocy offsets : making up for voting W by supporting inner city youth projects .
netnerd offsets : making up for that / .
comment by posting something really insightful on someones blog .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>carbon offsets: making up for your pollution by supporting green projects.
bad code offsets: making up for your bad code by supporting open source projects.
blonde joke offsets: making up for your blonde jokes by donating to Gloria Steinem.
idiocy offsets: making up for voting W by supporting inner city youth projects.
netnerd offsets: making up for that /.
comment by posting something really insightful on someones blog.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316528</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1259836080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Papal indulgences went to the pope. Carbon/code would be going to fix other wrongs. Think of it on a more personal scale:<blockquote><div><p>I eat a cake, cake is bad for me.<br>To make things even I go for a jog.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Is this evil? Of course not, it makes perfectly good friggen sense.<br> <br>
How about a more corporate version.</p><blockquote><div><p>I run a logging company, I cut down a new growth forest that was grown for this purpose.<br>To offset that I plant a new forest, one I will probably cut down in 10years.</p></div></blockquote><p>If you don't think it counts because it is one company I can do this:</p><blockquote><div><p>I run a logging company, I cut down a new growth forest I just bought.<br>
To offset this I pay a planting company to plant a new forest.</p></div></blockquote><p>I completely fail to see why this is bad. It is odd that people that seem to believe in the market and competition don't want us to create a framework in which a market/competition would thrive to reduce CO2 emissions. Ohhhh it isn't about the power of the market, it is about hating government involvement, my bad.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Papal indulgences went to the pope .
Carbon/code would be going to fix other wrongs .
Think of it on a more personal scale : I eat a cake , cake is bad for me.To make things even I go for a jog .
Is this evil ?
Of course not , it makes perfectly good friggen sense .
How about a more corporate version.I run a logging company , I cut down a new growth forest that was grown for this purpose.To offset that I plant a new forest , one I will probably cut down in 10years.If you do n't think it counts because it is one company I can do this : I run a logging company , I cut down a new growth forest I just bought .
To offset this I pay a planting company to plant a new forest.I completely fail to see why this is bad .
It is odd that people that seem to believe in the market and competition do n't want us to create a framework in which a market/competition would thrive to reduce CO2 emissions .
Ohhhh it is n't about the power of the market , it is about hating government involvement , my bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Papal indulgences went to the pope.
Carbon/code would be going to fix other wrongs.
Think of it on a more personal scale:I eat a cake, cake is bad for me.To make things even I go for a jog.
Is this evil?
Of course not, it makes perfectly good friggen sense.
How about a more corporate version.I run a logging company, I cut down a new growth forest that was grown for this purpose.To offset that I plant a new forest, one I will probably cut down in 10years.If you don't think it counts because it is one company I can do this:I run a logging company, I cut down a new growth forest I just bought.
To offset this I pay a planting company to plant a new forest.I completely fail to see why this is bad.
It is odd that people that seem to believe in the market and competition don't want us to create a framework in which a market/competition would thrive to reduce CO2 emissions.
Ohhhh it isn't about the power of the market, it is about hating government involvement, my bad.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315006</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316012</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1259834160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Uh, no... we force Microsoft to contribute to the fund to offset all the bad code they've already written, and use it to subsidize open source, which Microsoft then surreptitiously copies into their new products. See, it's a real win-win situation for everybody!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , no... we force Microsoft to contribute to the fund to offset all the bad code they 've already written , and use it to subsidize open source , which Microsoft then surreptitiously copies into their new products .
See , it 's a real win-win situation for everybody !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, no... we force Microsoft to contribute to the fund to offset all the bad code they've already written, and use it to subsidize open source, which Microsoft then surreptitiously copies into their new products.
See, it's a real win-win situation for everybody!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314976</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316970</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259837340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a great idea, just like IBM paying by KLOCs!  Bring it on!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a great idea , just like IBM paying by KLOCs !
Bring it on !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a great idea, just like IBM paying by KLOCs!
Bring it on!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314976</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316916</id>
	<title>Sounds exactly like carbon credits</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1259837160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The point of carbon credits is to redistribute wealth*. Here, the FOSS projects that don't get the same funding as the closed/private industry projects are given an alternate source of funding.<br> <br>

*Or so I've been told by people I've talked to from DOE. Sounds logical enough, given it's cheaper to give a developing country run-of-the-mill equipment to upgrade their obsolete equipment than develop state-of-the-art equipment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The point of carbon credits is to redistribute wealth * .
Here , the FOSS projects that do n't get the same funding as the closed/private industry projects are given an alternate source of funding .
* Or so I 've been told by people I 've talked to from DOE .
Sounds logical enough , given it 's cheaper to give a developing country run-of-the-mill equipment to upgrade their obsolete equipment than develop state-of-the-art equipment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point of carbon credits is to redistribute wealth*.
Here, the FOSS projects that don't get the same funding as the closed/private industry projects are given an alternate source of funding.
*Or so I've been told by people I've talked to from DOE.
Sounds logical enough, given it's cheaper to give a developing country run-of-the-mill equipment to upgrade their obsolete equipment than develop state-of-the-art equipment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316308</id>
	<title>maybe we need Big Ego offsets</title>
	<author>toby</author>
	<datestamp>1259835420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>With all the hot air over-inflated Atwood and pals inject into the intertubes...</htmltext>
<tokenext>With all the hot air over-inflated Atwood and pals inject into the intertubes.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With all the hot air over-inflated Atwood and pals inject into the intertubes...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315566</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>whizzard</author>
	<datestamp>1259832480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Let me get this right-- you purchase this offset so that you can deliberately write bad code?</p></div></blockquote><p>This model has worked well for <a href="http://www.cheatneutral.com/" title="cheatneutral.com">cheat offsets</a> [cheatneutral.com], too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me get this right-- you purchase this offset so that you can deliberately write bad code ? This model has worked well for cheat offsets [ cheatneutral.com ] , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me get this right-- you purchase this offset so that you can deliberately write bad code?This model has worked well for cheat offsets [cheatneutral.com], too.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314976</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315542</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259832360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because you are a JavaScript/WebApp developer. <br> <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/ducks</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because you are a JavaScript/WebApp developer .
/ducks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because you are a JavaScript/WebApp developer.
/ducks</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314976</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315348</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259831400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More or less yes, but the principle is sound. Offsets are voluntary so those who feel "guilty" pay.</p><p>Essentially, no individual person or company pays for pollution - we all do, all across the world. I'm talking about any and all kinds of pollution, not just greenhouse gases.</p><p>Carbon credits - the government taxy, non-voluntary way - is a good idea because if, say, GM releases a bunch of sulfuric acid into the atmosphere, they don't need to pay for it, or any of the costs it inflicts on the planet. Instead, everybody does.</p><p>Credits are a perfect example of free-market ideals - polluting becomes a cost of doing business, and as the cost of polluting rises, companies will become more efficient or less profitable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More or less yes , but the principle is sound .
Offsets are voluntary so those who feel " guilty " pay.Essentially , no individual person or company pays for pollution - we all do , all across the world .
I 'm talking about any and all kinds of pollution , not just greenhouse gases.Carbon credits - the government taxy , non-voluntary way - is a good idea because if , say , GM releases a bunch of sulfuric acid into the atmosphere , they do n't need to pay for it , or any of the costs it inflicts on the planet .
Instead , everybody does.Credits are a perfect example of free-market ideals - polluting becomes a cost of doing business , and as the cost of polluting rises , companies will become more efficient or less profitable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More or less yes, but the principle is sound.
Offsets are voluntary so those who feel "guilty" pay.Essentially, no individual person or company pays for pollution - we all do, all across the world.
I'm talking about any and all kinds of pollution, not just greenhouse gases.Carbon credits - the government taxy, non-voluntary way - is a good idea because if, say, GM releases a bunch of sulfuric acid into the atmosphere, they don't need to pay for it, or any of the costs it inflicts on the planet.
Instead, everybody does.Credits are a perfect example of free-market ideals - polluting becomes a cost of doing business, and as the cost of polluting rises, companies will become more efficient or less profitable.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315006</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315384</id>
	<title>Good thing they aren't mandatory</title>
	<author>damn\_registrars</author>
	<datestamp>1259831580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or slashdot would go broke in a hurry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or slashdot would go broke in a hurry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or slashdot would go broke in a hurry.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315756</id>
	<title>IIS?</title>
	<author>Zorix</author>
	<datestamp>1259833260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone else notice that this site supports the Apache Software Foundation and yet the server itself runs Microsoft IIS 6?
I find that just a bit strange.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone else notice that this site supports the Apache Software Foundation and yet the server itself runs Microsoft IIS 6 ?
I find that just a bit strange .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone else notice that this site supports the Apache Software Foundation and yet the server itself runs Microsoft IIS 6?
I find that just a bit strange.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30320916</id>
	<title>Re:Gave up on DailyWTF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259862240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what else is out there other than dailywtf? Until something better comes along, I gotta stick with dailywtf, even if they have sucky stuff every now and then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what else is out there other than dailywtf ?
Until something better comes along , I got ta stick with dailywtf , even if they have sucky stuff every now and then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what else is out there other than dailywtf?
Until something better comes along, I gotta stick with dailywtf, even if they have sucky stuff every now and then.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315508</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316600</id>
	<title>Re:Not realistic</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1259836260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Foss is terribly coded, who are you kidding. With the structure in which it is generally made it is likely unavoidable. It has the advantage of being free. But saying it is well coded is kinda odd.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Foss is terribly coded , who are you kidding .
With the structure in which it is generally made it is likely unavoidable .
It has the advantage of being free .
But saying it is well coded is kinda odd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Foss is terribly coded, who are you kidding.
With the structure in which it is generally made it is likely unavoidable.
It has the advantage of being free.
But saying it is well coded is kinda odd.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315134</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315690</id>
	<title>Re:Re-apply faulty offset concept....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259832900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>bad design then. space probes get zapped with cosmic rays, flipping bits and corrupting calculations - but there are methods of design to mitigate this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>bad design then .
space probes get zapped with cosmic rays , flipping bits and corrupting calculations - but there are methods of design to mitigate this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>bad design then.
space probes get zapped with cosmic rays, flipping bits and corrupting calculations - but there are methods of design to mitigate this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316312</id>
	<title>Unfair measurement system?</title>
	<author>Lallander</author>
	<datestamp>1259835420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All lines of code are not created equal. In some languages one line could be the entire program.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All lines of code are not created equal .
In some languages one line could be the entire program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All lines of code are not created equal.
In some languages one line could be the entire program.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30319016</id>
	<title>Re:Deliberately bad?</title>
	<author>s73v3r</author>
	<datestamp>1259846220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The idea of a "Bad Code Offset" was more like a funny premise to what it actually is: A donation to Open Source projects. They chose to mirror the idea of "Carbon Credits" because they're probably something we've heard of before, and some people find that premise humorous as well. Don't look into it too much, or try to politicize it, and see it for what it really is: Donations to Open Source projects.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea of a " Bad Code Offset " was more like a funny premise to what it actually is : A donation to Open Source projects .
They chose to mirror the idea of " Carbon Credits " because they 're probably something we 've heard of before , and some people find that premise humorous as well .
Do n't look into it too much , or try to politicize it , and see it for what it really is : Donations to Open Source projects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea of a "Bad Code Offset" was more like a funny premise to what it actually is: A donation to Open Source projects.
They chose to mirror the idea of "Carbon Credits" because they're probably something we've heard of before, and some people find that premise humorous as well.
Don't look into it too much, or try to politicize it, and see it for what it really is: Donations to Open Source projects.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315442</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30317266</id>
	<title>Re:Gave up on DailyWTF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259838300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Alex also banned a regular "funny commenter" called TopCod3r who posted in the comment section and was often more funny than Alex... which seems to be the reason he got banned.  I stopped reading over a year ago when I realized the site was just a big ego trip for Alex.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alex also banned a regular " funny commenter " called TopCod3r who posted in the comment section and was often more funny than Alex... which seems to be the reason he got banned .
I stopped reading over a year ago when I realized the site was just a big ego trip for Alex .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alex also banned a regular "funny commenter" called TopCod3r who posted in the comment section and was often more funny than Alex... which seems to be the reason he got banned.
I stopped reading over a year ago when I realized the site was just a big ego trip for Alex.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315304</id>
	<title>There is already an interest expense</title>
	<author>lanyslinas</author>
	<datestamp>1259831280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical\_debt" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Technical Debt</a> [wikipedia.org].  Why make it higher?

Carbon offsets are necessary because it's cheaper to pollute and there are no interest expenses.  Not true for technical debt.</htmltext>
<tokenext>on Technical Debt [ wikipedia.org ] .
Why make it higher ?
Carbon offsets are necessary because it 's cheaper to pollute and there are no interest expenses .
Not true for technical debt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>on Technical Debt [wikipedia.org].
Why make it higher?
Carbon offsets are necessary because it's cheaper to pollute and there are no interest expenses.
Not true for technical debt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30321212</id>
	<title>Re:Carbon trading is stupid.</title>
	<author>Phil06</author>
	<datestamp>1259865720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you asked scientists when the Clean Air Act was created if they thought CO2 was pollution there would have been a 100\% "consensus" that it was not. The EPA is currently trying to redefine the word pollution so that they can create new energy taxes without having to worry about an inconvenient vote on the issue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you asked scientists when the Clean Air Act was created if they thought CO2 was pollution there would have been a 100 \ % " consensus " that it was not .
The EPA is currently trying to redefine the word pollution so that they can create new energy taxes without having to worry about an inconvenient vote on the issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you asked scientists when the Clean Air Act was created if they thought CO2 was pollution there would have been a 100\% "consensus" that it was not.
The EPA is currently trying to redefine the word pollution so that they can create new energy taxes without having to worry about an inconvenient vote on the issue.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316694</id>
	<title>Re:Re-apply faulty offset concept....</title>
	<author>IICV</author>
	<datestamp>1259836500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Congratulations, you've missed the point entirely. It's just a silly name for a centralized means of donating to good open-source projects. (You also get a fun certificate out of it.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Congratulations , you 've missed the point entirely .
It 's just a silly name for a centralized means of donating to good open-source projects .
( You also get a fun certificate out of it .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congratulations, you've missed the point entirely.
It's just a silly name for a centralized means of donating to good open-source projects.
(You also get a fun certificate out of it.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316744</id>
	<title>Send me one M-i-l-l-i-o-n dollars now</title>
	<author>thewils</author>
	<datestamp>1259836620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...or else I release my bad code.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...or else I release my bad code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...or else I release my bad code.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30318880</id>
	<title>I propose a humor offset</title>
	<author>snowwrestler</author>
	<datestamp>1259845500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's the going rate on that whooshing sound over your head?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the going rate on that whooshing sound over your head ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the going rate on that whooshing sound over your head?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316914</id>
	<title>Re:Gave up on DailyWTF</title>
	<author>dzfoo</author>
	<datestamp>1259837160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I stopped reading the site when Alex wouldn't get rid of those gawd-awful "comics".  That and the story embelishment that you mentioned.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -dZ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I stopped reading the site when Alex would n't get rid of those gawd-awful " comics " .
That and the story embelishment that you mentioned .
      -dZ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I stopped reading the site when Alex wouldn't get rid of those gawd-awful "comics".
That and the story embelishment that you mentioned.
      -dZ.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30320622</id>
	<title>I really hope this is a joke.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259858700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a waste of time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a waste of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a waste of time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30314988</id>
	<title>Apache &amp; FreeBSD = bad code?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259873400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>which work to eliminate bad code, such as the Apache Foundation and FreeBSD.</p></div><p>Wow, that's a quite direct attack.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>which work to eliminate bad code , such as the Apache Foundation and FreeBSD.Wow , that 's a quite direct attack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>which work to eliminate bad code, such as the Apache Foundation and FreeBSD.Wow, that's a quite direct attack.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30316632</id>
	<title>Re:...and now for something entirely unrelated.</title>
	<author>/dev/joe</author>
	<datestamp>1259836320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've never actually met or talked to somebody that thought carbon offsets <i>weren't</i> a scam, except for those trying to sell them.  I get your point about derailing the thread, but have to ask... do you actually think carbon offsets are <i>legitimate</i>?</p></div><p>There are two kinds of carbon offsets. The Wikipedia <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon\_offset" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Carbon offset</a> [wikipedia.org] article describes them as two markets, right up top.
</p><p>
The larger carbon offset market is based upon laws limiting total industrial carbon dioxide emissions, and in this market companies buy carbon offsets in the amount of carbon dioxide they are emitting, and, yes, sell any excess ones they have to other companies. The difference between this and a simple tax on carbon dioxide emissions is that the total amount of offsets available in any year is limited. These are legitimate to the extent that companies aren't cheating on emissions, and in theory somebody is checking for compliance. The "caps" link in this discussion on Wikipedia leads to a topic on emissions trading, where you can read about similar systems, including the system limiting sulfur dioxide emissions in the United States which has been around since before anybody heard of carbon offsets. However, since there is no law limiting the amount of bad code people can write, this does not compare well to "bad code credits". This is probably why GP considered it a poor example.
</p><p>
The smaller, consumer carbon offset market is what you're thinking of. This is where people effectively donate money to environmental causes, theoretically to pay activities that either prevent carbon dioxide from being emitted or remove it from the air. I won't argue with you here; I agree that at least some of these are not legitimate, or have other problems that make them not effective. And it is this kind of carbon offset which is more relevant to the discussion at hand.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never actually met or talked to somebody that thought carbon offsets were n't a scam , except for those trying to sell them .
I get your point about derailing the thread , but have to ask... do you actually think carbon offsets are legitimate ? There are two kinds of carbon offsets .
The Wikipedia Carbon offset [ wikipedia.org ] article describes them as two markets , right up top .
The larger carbon offset market is based upon laws limiting total industrial carbon dioxide emissions , and in this market companies buy carbon offsets in the amount of carbon dioxide they are emitting , and , yes , sell any excess ones they have to other companies .
The difference between this and a simple tax on carbon dioxide emissions is that the total amount of offsets available in any year is limited .
These are legitimate to the extent that companies are n't cheating on emissions , and in theory somebody is checking for compliance .
The " caps " link in this discussion on Wikipedia leads to a topic on emissions trading , where you can read about similar systems , including the system limiting sulfur dioxide emissions in the United States which has been around since before anybody heard of carbon offsets .
However , since there is no law limiting the amount of bad code people can write , this does not compare well to " bad code credits " .
This is probably why GP considered it a poor example .
The smaller , consumer carbon offset market is what you 're thinking of .
This is where people effectively donate money to environmental causes , theoretically to pay activities that either prevent carbon dioxide from being emitted or remove it from the air .
I wo n't argue with you here ; I agree that at least some of these are not legitimate , or have other problems that make them not effective .
And it is this kind of carbon offset which is more relevant to the discussion at hand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never actually met or talked to somebody that thought carbon offsets weren't a scam, except for those trying to sell them.
I get your point about derailing the thread, but have to ask... do you actually think carbon offsets are legitimate?There are two kinds of carbon offsets.
The Wikipedia Carbon offset [wikipedia.org] article describes them as two markets, right up top.
The larger carbon offset market is based upon laws limiting total industrial carbon dioxide emissions, and in this market companies buy carbon offsets in the amount of carbon dioxide they are emitting, and, yes, sell any excess ones they have to other companies.
The difference between this and a simple tax on carbon dioxide emissions is that the total amount of offsets available in any year is limited.
These are legitimate to the extent that companies aren't cheating on emissions, and in theory somebody is checking for compliance.
The "caps" link in this discussion on Wikipedia leads to a topic on emissions trading, where you can read about similar systems, including the system limiting sulfur dioxide emissions in the United States which has been around since before anybody heard of carbon offsets.
However, since there is no law limiting the amount of bad code people can write, this does not compare well to "bad code credits".
This is probably why GP considered it a poor example.
The smaller, consumer carbon offset market is what you're thinking of.
This is where people effectively donate money to environmental causes, theoretically to pay activities that either prevent carbon dioxide from being emitted or remove it from the air.
I won't argue with you here; I agree that at least some of these are not legitimate, or have other problems that make them not effective.
And it is this kind of carbon offset which is more relevant to the discussion at hand.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315242</id>
	<title>Re:Just call them by the real name, indulgences...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259831040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup. Environmentalism is the religion of the 21st century... and just like any religion, it can be used to control the populace and ensure that those in power remain in power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup .
Environmentalism is the religion of the 21st century... and just like any religion , it can be used to control the populace and ensure that those in power remain in power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup.
Environmentalism is the religion of the 21st century... and just like any religion, it can be used to control the populace and ensure that those in power remain in power.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_03_1926229.30315006</parent>
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