<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_12_02_2029202</id>
	<title>SETI@Home Install Leads To School Tech Supervisor's Resignation</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1259743200000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Apparently <a href="http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum\_thread.php?id=19293">the most prolific of users</a> in the SETI@Home community has resigned his job as a school technology supervisor after it was revealed he <a href="http://www.kpho.com/news/21778774/detail.html">had the software installed on some 5000 school machines</a>. The school claims to have lost $1 million in upkeep on the affected machines."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Apparently the most prolific of users in the SETI @ Home community has resigned his job as a school technology supervisor after it was revealed he had the software installed on some 5000 school machines .
The school claims to have lost $ 1 million in upkeep on the affected machines .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Apparently the most prolific of users in the SETI@Home community has resigned his job as a school technology supervisor after it was revealed he had the software installed on some 5000 school machines.
The school claims to have lost $1 million in upkeep on the affected machines.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303178</id>
	<title>Re:"software slowed down educational programs"</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1259577660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Utility fees, yes. Slowing down other programs, no. It is my understand that SETI@home suspends itself when it detects someone trying to do useful work on the computer, so it should have had negligible impact on educational programs. As far as replacement parts, computers wear out faster when the temperature of their components varies; Sun used to recommend NOT turning off diskless workstations for just that reason. Keeping a steady load on the computer should help it last longer. The exception to this is the disk drives, which should be spun down when idle. I'm not clear if SETI@home causes disk access, but if it does, yes it would cause increased maintenance fees. Of course, the monitors and other peripherals should have gone into sleep mode while SETI@home was running, so it only make a difference for the CPU.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Utility fees , yes .
Slowing down other programs , no .
It is my understand that SETI @ home suspends itself when it detects someone trying to do useful work on the computer , so it should have had negligible impact on educational programs .
As far as replacement parts , computers wear out faster when the temperature of their components varies ; Sun used to recommend NOT turning off diskless workstations for just that reason .
Keeping a steady load on the computer should help it last longer .
The exception to this is the disk drives , which should be spun down when idle .
I 'm not clear if SETI @ home causes disk access , but if it does , yes it would cause increased maintenance fees .
Of course , the monitors and other peripherals should have gone into sleep mode while SETI @ home was running , so it only make a difference for the CPU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Utility fees, yes.
Slowing down other programs, no.
It is my understand that SETI@home suspends itself when it detects someone trying to do useful work on the computer, so it should have had negligible impact on educational programs.
As far as replacement parts, computers wear out faster when the temperature of their components varies; Sun used to recommend NOT turning off diskless workstations for just that reason.
Keeping a steady load on the computer should help it last longer.
The exception to this is the disk drives, which should be spun down when idle.
I'm not clear if SETI@home causes disk access, but if it does, yes it would cause increased maintenance fees.
Of course, the monitors and other peripherals should have gone into sleep mode while SETI@home was running, so it only make a difference for the CPU.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302328</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>SecurityGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1259575020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It actually does use more power running the CPU full throttle vs idle.  The rule of thumb I learned was a buck a watt per year.  By which $200 sounds nuts.  School PCs do not have 200W worth of CPU in them.</p><p>But..oh, over 10 years.  That's $20/year/system.  Very plausible.</p><p>This guy learned the following lesson the hard way:  Systems you manage are not yours.  They are your employers.  The potentially mitigating factor here from TFA, is that he claims he had permission.  If so, whoever granted permission should be fired.  $1m is real money, especially if you're a school district.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It actually does use more power running the CPU full throttle vs idle .
The rule of thumb I learned was a buck a watt per year .
By which $ 200 sounds nuts .
School PCs do not have 200W worth of CPU in them.But..oh , over 10 years .
That 's $ 20/year/system .
Very plausible.This guy learned the following lesson the hard way : Systems you manage are not yours .
They are your employers .
The potentially mitigating factor here from TFA , is that he claims he had permission .
If so , whoever granted permission should be fired .
$ 1m is real money , especially if you 're a school district .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It actually does use more power running the CPU full throttle vs idle.
The rule of thumb I learned was a buck a watt per year.
By which $200 sounds nuts.
School PCs do not have 200W worth of CPU in them.But..oh, over 10 years.
That's $20/year/system.
Very plausible.This guy learned the following lesson the hard way:  Systems you manage are not yours.
They are your employers.
The potentially mitigating factor here from TFA, is that he claims he had permission.
If so, whoever granted permission should be fired.
$1m is real money, especially if you're a school district.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303164</id>
	<title>Re:Ten years to find it on 5,000 computers?</title>
	<author>oljanx</author>
	<datestamp>1259577660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's no way this guy managed 5,000 school computers by himself, have you ever seen what teenagers can do to a computer lab?  There are other administrators, and I find it hard to believe that they didn't notice.  And it seems unlikely that he did 5,000 installs by himself.  He's obviously taking a fall for everyone else involved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no way this guy managed 5,000 school computers by himself , have you ever seen what teenagers can do to a computer lab ?
There are other administrators , and I find it hard to believe that they did n't notice .
And it seems unlikely that he did 5,000 installs by himself .
He 's obviously taking a fall for everyone else involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no way this guy managed 5,000 school computers by himself, have you ever seen what teenagers can do to a computer lab?
There are other administrators, and I find it hard to believe that they didn't notice.
And it seems unlikely that he did 5,000 installs by himself.
He's obviously taking a fall for everyone else involved.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302140</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302314</id>
	<title>"software slowed down educational programs"</title>
	<author>colinnwn</author>
	<datestamp>1259574960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts."
<br> <br>
Knowing vaguely how SETI@home and BOINC and Folding@Home work, I suspect this is a BS allegation. I know the programs are not usually that large, though that doesn't really matter to the school district's alleged issue of it consuming otherwise needed comptuer resources. A big program can take very little CPU time. Usually the @home stuff is set up to only use idle computer cycles, and not affect other programs. If the school district is trying to make something up to charge him with theft of government resources, I think the increased electricity expense would be a better bet. I hope he has a good lawyer, and some kind of documentation that he was authorized (or had the perogative) to load the programs. Though it would have been better if his user name was "Higley" rather than "Nez".</htmltext>
<tokenext>" massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $ 1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts .
" Knowing vaguely how SETI @ home and BOINC and Folding @ Home work , I suspect this is a BS allegation .
I know the programs are not usually that large , though that does n't really matter to the school district 's alleged issue of it consuming otherwise needed comptuer resources .
A big program can take very little CPU time .
Usually the @ home stuff is set up to only use idle computer cycles , and not affect other programs .
If the school district is trying to make something up to charge him with theft of government resources , I think the increased electricity expense would be a better bet .
I hope he has a good lawyer , and some kind of documentation that he was authorized ( or had the perogative ) to load the programs .
Though it would have been better if his user name was " Higley " rather than " Nez " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts.
"
 
Knowing vaguely how SETI@home and BOINC and Folding@Home work, I suspect this is a BS allegation.
I know the programs are not usually that large, though that doesn't really matter to the school district's alleged issue of it consuming otherwise needed comptuer resources.
A big program can take very little CPU time.
Usually the @home stuff is set up to only use idle computer cycles, and not affect other programs.
If the school district is trying to make something up to charge him with theft of government resources, I think the increased electricity expense would be a better bet.
I hope he has a good lawyer, and some kind of documentation that he was authorized (or had the perogative) to load the programs.
Though it would have been better if his user name was "Higley" rather than "Nez".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302964</id>
	<title>SETI</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259577060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't intend to troll but to get a response.<br>Seriously, I don't believe in aliens beyond movies, and I don't understand the interest about this program. I'd like to know why would someone install this, can some users tell me about it?<br>(But please no conspiracies)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't intend to troll but to get a response.Seriously , I do n't believe in aliens beyond movies , and I do n't understand the interest about this program .
I 'd like to know why would someone install this , can some users tell me about it ?
( But please no conspiracies )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't intend to troll but to get a response.Seriously, I don't believe in aliens beyond movies, and I don't understand the interest about this program.
I'd like to know why would someone install this, can some users tell me about it?
(But please no conspiracies)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302404</id>
	<title>Unnoticed... really?</title>
	<author>eamonman</author>
	<datestamp>1259575200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So no one noticed a 5000 x ~150 ~= 750 MW of usage?  Over 10 years?  Yikes.  I would think at least some nerdy kids would have noticed at some point that there was SETI installed and asked some questions.  Wouldn't people wonder why the computer lab was hot first thing in the morning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So no one noticed a 5000 x ~ 150 ~ = 750 MW of usage ?
Over 10 years ?
Yikes. I would think at least some nerdy kids would have noticed at some point that there was SETI installed and asked some questions .
Would n't people wonder why the computer lab was hot first thing in the morning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So no one noticed a 5000 x ~150 ~= 750 MW of usage?
Over 10 years?
Yikes.  I would think at least some nerdy kids would have noticed at some point that there was SETI installed and asked some questions.
Wouldn't people wonder why the computer lab was hot first thing in the morning.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303116</id>
	<title>A few observations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259577480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funning SETI@Home 24/7could indeed cause the premature wear and malfunction of computer parts over a long period of time.<br>IMO this would probably affect hard drives the most (as one of the most likely internal parts to fail due to extended use), but the excess heat generated<br>by running SETI could also prematurely age the CPUs and RAM modules to the point that they need to be replaced sooner that usual.<br>This of course would all depend on how intensely the program was run (was it being run as a 'low CPU utilization' background process or not).</p><p>Having said that, to claim that this program alone could have caused all of the maintenance/repair issues with these computers is specious.<br>These computers would have incurred maintenance/repair costs irregardless of whether SETI@Home was installed or not and it would be<br>nearly impossible to pinpoint exactly how much this one particular program contributed to the costs mentioned. Assuming these computers<br>would have been left on in some fashion even if SETI@Home wasn't installed, they would have been using electricity either way as the computers<br>would always be running some sort of background/idle process even when not being used.</p><p>I think the bottom line is whether or not this Administrator violated the School District's terms of acceptable use and whether or not the installation and<br>running of this program clearly contributed to those violations. And for what it's worth it may well have, but for this superintendent to make all<br>sorts of grandiose claims about the costs involved with running this program without a true knowledge of the technical nuances is just irresponsible, IMO.<br>If need be let the details be hashed out and examined in a court of law before spouting off.</p><p>To me the real 'crime' was that it took the school system 10 years to figure out that a resource hogging program like SETI@Home was being used in the<br>first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funning SETI @ Home 24/7could indeed cause the premature wear and malfunction of computer parts over a long period of time.IMO this would probably affect hard drives the most ( as one of the most likely internal parts to fail due to extended use ) , but the excess heat generatedby running SETI could also prematurely age the CPUs and RAM modules to the point that they need to be replaced sooner that usual.This of course would all depend on how intensely the program was run ( was it being run as a 'low CPU utilization ' background process or not ) .Having said that , to claim that this program alone could have caused all of the maintenance/repair issues with these computers is specious.These computers would have incurred maintenance/repair costs irregardless of whether SETI @ Home was installed or not and it would benearly impossible to pinpoint exactly how much this one particular program contributed to the costs mentioned .
Assuming these computerswould have been left on in some fashion even if SETI @ Home was n't installed , they would have been using electricity either way as the computerswould always be running some sort of background/idle process even when not being used.I think the bottom line is whether or not this Administrator violated the School District 's terms of acceptable use and whether or not the installation andrunning of this program clearly contributed to those violations .
And for what it 's worth it may well have , but for this superintendent to make allsorts of grandiose claims about the costs involved with running this program without a true knowledge of the technical nuances is just irresponsible , IMO.If need be let the details be hashed out and examined in a court of law before spouting off.To me the real 'crime ' was that it took the school system 10 years to figure out that a resource hogging program like SETI @ Home was being used in thefirst place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funning SETI@Home 24/7could indeed cause the premature wear and malfunction of computer parts over a long period of time.IMO this would probably affect hard drives the most (as one of the most likely internal parts to fail due to extended use), but the excess heat generatedby running SETI could also prematurely age the CPUs and RAM modules to the point that they need to be replaced sooner that usual.This of course would all depend on how intensely the program was run (was it being run as a 'low CPU utilization' background process or not).Having said that, to claim that this program alone could have caused all of the maintenance/repair issues with these computers is specious.These computers would have incurred maintenance/repair costs irregardless of whether SETI@Home was installed or not and it would benearly impossible to pinpoint exactly how much this one particular program contributed to the costs mentioned.
Assuming these computerswould have been left on in some fashion even if SETI@Home wasn't installed, they would have been using electricity either way as the computerswould always be running some sort of background/idle process even when not being used.I think the bottom line is whether or not this Administrator violated the School District's terms of acceptable use and whether or not the installation andrunning of this program clearly contributed to those violations.
And for what it's worth it may well have, but for this superintendent to make allsorts of grandiose claims about the costs involved with running this program without a true knowledge of the technical nuances is just irresponsible, IMO.If need be let the details be hashed out and examined in a court of law before spouting off.To me the real 'crime' was that it took the school system 10 years to figure out that a resource hogging program like SETI@Home was being used in thefirst place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302102</id>
	<title>But how is it a crime?</title>
	<author>bzzfzz</author>
	<datestamp>1259574480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From TFA: "Gilbert police are now involved in the investigation and criminal charges may be filed."

How is this criminal?  He had legitimate access.  What's special about the scale?  If someone ran a single instance of SETI@home on the PC on their desk, would that be criminal?</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " Gilbert police are now involved in the investigation and criminal charges may be filed .
" How is this criminal ?
He had legitimate access .
What 's special about the scale ?
If someone ran a single instance of SETI @ home on the PC on their desk , would that be criminal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA: "Gilbert police are now involved in the investigation and criminal charges may be filed.
"

How is this criminal?
He had legitimate access.
What's special about the scale?
If someone ran a single instance of SETI@home on the PC on their desk, would that be criminal?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30305124</id>
	<title>What if SETI had produced evidence of aliens...</title>
	<author>equid0x</author>
	<datestamp>1259584500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and the results had been directly attributable to the CPU cycles this school district was "donating" to the cause? I'm sure this would have been a PR grand slam for the school district with the same detractors holding this guy in high praise for doing such wonderful things for the community.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and the results had been directly attributable to the CPU cycles this school district was " donating " to the cause ?
I 'm sure this would have been a PR grand slam for the school district with the same detractors holding this guy in high praise for doing such wonderful things for the community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the results had been directly attributable to the CPU cycles this school district was "donating" to the cause?
I'm sure this would have been a PR grand slam for the school district with the same detractors holding this guy in high praise for doing such wonderful things for the community.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304040</id>
	<title>Eau... Really?</title>
	<author>conureman</author>
	<datestamp>1259580360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I heard that had something to do with redundancy to prevent dicks that couldn't resist cheating from bodging up the results.<br>I had about a dozen nodes running at school myself, back in the day. Random noobs weren't playing games and websurfing in the Journalism class, so the IT guys didn't have to constantly re-image those units. I think we were up for a couple years there. I hardly think any Harm came of it, in fact, the de-fragging I did seemed to perk up some of them quite a bit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I heard that had something to do with redundancy to prevent dicks that could n't resist cheating from bodging up the results.I had about a dozen nodes running at school myself , back in the day .
Random noobs were n't playing games and websurfing in the Journalism class , so the IT guys did n't have to constantly re-image those units .
I think we were up for a couple years there .
I hardly think any Harm came of it , in fact , the de-fragging I did seemed to perk up some of them quite a bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I heard that had something to do with redundancy to prevent dicks that couldn't resist cheating from bodging up the results.I had about a dozen nodes running at school myself, back in the day.
Random noobs weren't playing games and websurfing in the Journalism class, so the IT guys didn't have to constantly re-image those units.
I think we were up for a couple years there.
I hardly think any Harm came of it, in fact, the de-fragging I did seemed to perk up some of them quite a bit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302752</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304528</id>
	<title>Re:baaaaloney</title>
	<author>BobMcD</author>
	<datestamp>1259582160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Watch the different articles as well.  Some say the cost of running the software is in the millions, others claim the cost of REMOVING the software is in the millions.  Both are probably hyperbole.  In any case, he is most likely on the hook for some large cost for his behavior.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Watch the different articles as well .
Some say the cost of running the software is in the millions , others claim the cost of REMOVING the software is in the millions .
Both are probably hyperbole .
In any case , he is most likely on the hook for some large cost for his behavior .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Watch the different articles as well.
Some say the cost of running the software is in the millions, others claim the cost of REMOVING the software is in the millions.
Both are probably hyperbole.
In any case, he is most likely on the hook for some large cost for his behavior.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302744</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306536</id>
	<title>Just great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous Poodle</author>
	<datestamp>1259593080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is quite a setback. Now we'll never find alien life.</p><p>Think of the Aliens, please.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is quite a setback .
Now we 'll never find alien life.Think of the Aliens , please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is quite a setback.
Now we'll never find alien life.Think of the Aliens, please.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308548</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like over-reaction to me</title>
	<author>delirium of disorder</author>
	<datestamp>1259835480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why were you wasting all that time trying to censor students?</p><p>Part of growing up entails being educated about society.  People need street smarts as well as book smarts.</p><p>Porn is a huge part of our economy, has enormous impact on people's personal relationships and sexuality, and even effects politics.</p><p>Not letting young people know about porn seriously shelters them and cripples their understanding of the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why were you wasting all that time trying to censor students ? Part of growing up entails being educated about society .
People need street smarts as well as book smarts.Porn is a huge part of our economy , has enormous impact on people 's personal relationships and sexuality , and even effects politics.Not letting young people know about porn seriously shelters them and cripples their understanding of the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why were you wasting all that time trying to censor students?Part of growing up entails being educated about society.
People need street smarts as well as book smarts.Porn is a huge part of our economy, has enormous impact on people's personal relationships and sexuality, and even effects politics.Not letting young people know about porn seriously shelters them and cripples their understanding of the world.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303372</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30307396</id>
	<title>Re:$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>Etrias</author>
	<datestamp>1259601060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess what I was trying to say is that it didn't take active processes and slow them down or degrade the performance of the PC, as the article implies.  Also, if the PCs are running overnight, then your issue is not controlling the on/off switch, not if a minor process is stealing a few precious ticks off your CPU.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess what I was trying to say is that it did n't take active processes and slow them down or degrade the performance of the PC , as the article implies .
Also , if the PCs are running overnight , then your issue is not controlling the on/off switch , not if a minor process is stealing a few precious ticks off your CPU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess what I was trying to say is that it didn't take active processes and slow them down or degrade the performance of the PC, as the article implies.
Also, if the PCs are running overnight, then your issue is not controlling the on/off switch, not if a minor process is stealing a few precious ticks off your CPU.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302286</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302256</id>
	<title>Re:Oops</title>
	<author>TooMuchToDo</author>
	<datestamp>1259574840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Doesn't folding@home run with the lowest of priorities?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't folding @ home run with the lowest of priorities ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't folding@home run with the lowest of priorities?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302060</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302994</id>
	<title>Dear Ms. Birdwell et al.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259577180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did it ever occur to you that the search for extraterrestial intelligence might find alien life with a "cure for cancer"?</p><p>Evidently not.</p><p>Now you may return to your Sarah Palin fund raising drive .</p><p>Yours In Novosibirsk,<br>Kilgore Trout</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did it ever occur to you that the search for extraterrestial intelligence might find alien life with a " cure for cancer " ? Evidently not.Now you may return to your Sarah Palin fund raising drive .Yours In Novosibirsk,Kilgore Trout</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did it ever occur to you that the search for extraterrestial intelligence might find alien life with a "cure for cancer"?Evidently not.Now you may return to your Sarah Palin fund raising drive .Yours In Novosibirsk,Kilgore Trout</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304676</id>
	<title>Re:SETI</title>
	<author>TeknoHog</author>
	<datestamp>1259582640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Imagine living in the 18th Century. You don't believe in electricity, and you don't understand the interest about scientific research.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine living in the 18th Century .
You do n't believe in electricity , and you do n't understand the interest about scientific research .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine living in the 18th Century.
You don't believe in electricity, and you don't understand the interest about scientific research.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308190</id>
	<title>Re:He also had equipment from the school at his ho</title>
	<author>ArsenneLupin</author>
	<datestamp>1259872080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I also heard on NPR that they found lots of equipment that belonged to the school at his residence.</p></div><p>This is quite common practice in lots of schools. Maybe the guy wanted to investigate problems with the computer or install new needed software in the comfort of his home?</p><p>
Of course, the bitch that wants to fire him in order to put her own crony into his position isn't going to tell <em>that</em> to the media...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also heard on NPR that they found lots of equipment that belonged to the school at his residence.This is quite common practice in lots of schools .
Maybe the guy wanted to investigate problems with the computer or install new needed software in the comfort of his home ?
Of course , the bitch that wants to fire him in order to put her own crony into his position is n't going to tell that to the media.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also heard on NPR that they found lots of equipment that belonged to the school at his residence.This is quite common practice in lots of schools.
Maybe the guy wanted to investigate problems with the computer or install new needed software in the comfort of his home?
Of course, the bitch that wants to fire him in order to put her own crony into his position isn't going to tell that to the media...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302124</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303838</id>
	<title>$5/machine? Depends on the machine...</title>
	<author>Tobenisstinky</author>
	<datestamp>1259579760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As like most posters here, I ran seti@home, years ago, but I ran it on a Quad core PPC G5 - it ran one instance on each core, causing the machine to draw about 840VA - for about 20 hours a day...I figured out this was costing me about $30-35 a month. That's when I stopped running seti@home...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As like most posters here , I ran seti @ home , years ago , but I ran it on a Quad core PPC G5 - it ran one instance on each core , causing the machine to draw about 840VA - for about 20 hours a day...I figured out this was costing me about $ 30-35 a month .
That 's when I stopped running seti @ home.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As like most posters here, I ran seti@home, years ago, but I ran it on a Quad core PPC G5 - it ran one instance on each core, causing the machine to draw about 840VA - for about 20 hours a day...I figured out this was costing me about $30-35 a month.
That's when I stopped running seti@home...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302420</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306714</id>
	<title>Re:He also had equipment from the school at his ho</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259594520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>... it's why newspapers are folding all over the country; when your reporters can't even write a proper, coherent, unbiased story, people go elsewhere for their news.</p></div><p>Agree. Only that the TFA was from kpho which is a local CBS station. I find that local CBS news are generally resort to sound bit reporting, overly sensational and generally make a big deal out of nothing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... it 's why newspapers are folding all over the country ; when your reporters ca n't even write a proper , coherent , unbiased story , people go elsewhere for their news.Agree .
Only that the TFA was from kpho which is a local CBS station .
I find that local CBS news are generally resort to sound bit reporting , overly sensational and generally make a big deal out of nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... it's why newspapers are folding all over the country; when your reporters can't even write a proper, coherent, unbiased story, people go elsewhere for their news.Agree.
Only that the TFA was from kpho which is a local CBS station.
I find that local CBS news are generally resort to sound bit reporting, overly sensational and generally make a big deal out of nothing.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306106</id>
	<title>Re:SETI</title>
	<author>jmv</author>
	<datestamp>1259589600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea is quite staggering -- Arthur C. Clarke</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes I think we 're alone in the universe , and sometimes I think we 're not .
In either case the idea is quite staggering -- Arthur C. Clarke</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not.
In either case the idea is quite staggering -- Arthur C. Clarke</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302964</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304546</id>
	<title>Search Engine Porn</title>
	<author>DreamArcher</author>
	<datestamp>1259582220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Back in the day I worked at larger internet search company that will remain nameless. There was one engineer who's main job was to keep porn out of the search engine. Anybody want to guess who's porn site was the #1 result. Right, his porn site was hard-coded. Of course I was completely clueless because I'm that heads-down hard worker, but one day I was called to the VP of HR's office. I had to ride one of the company bicycles across campus and when I got there I was greeted by HR, several lawyers and porn-king's Ultra 5. Being the senior sys admin I got to enjoy searching for porn on his system with all these people watching over my shoulder. I found it too. What a glorious day.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in the day I worked at larger internet search company that will remain nameless .
There was one engineer who 's main job was to keep porn out of the search engine .
Anybody want to guess who 's porn site was the # 1 result .
Right , his porn site was hard-coded .
Of course I was completely clueless because I 'm that heads-down hard worker , but one day I was called to the VP of HR 's office .
I had to ride one of the company bicycles across campus and when I got there I was greeted by HR , several lawyers and porn-king 's Ultra 5 .
Being the senior sys admin I got to enjoy searching for porn on his system with all these people watching over my shoulder .
I found it too .
What a glorious day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in the day I worked at larger internet search company that will remain nameless.
There was one engineer who's main job was to keep porn out of the search engine.
Anybody want to guess who's porn site was the #1 result.
Right, his porn site was hard-coded.
Of course I was completely clueless because I'm that heads-down hard worker, but one day I was called to the VP of HR's office.
I had to ride one of the company bicycles across campus and when I got there I was greeted by HR, several lawyers and porn-king's Ultra 5.
Being the senior sys admin I got to enjoy searching for porn on his system with all these people watching over my shoulder.
I found it too.
What a glorious day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30307014</id>
	<title>"Believe"?...</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1259597520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are approaching this from totally wrong angle.</p><p>The potential knowledge about existence or non-existence of alien lifeforms (or of ANYTHING, for that matter; except perhaps placebo in some way, but OTOH even this has quantifiable causes and effects) isn't influenced by whether or not you "believe" in them, but by actually <i>checking</i> the possibility (and it's not like we direct a lot of resources toward it that could go elsewhere...)</p><p>As for the motivation why we would want to do it, so many things possible here; greater understanding of Universe, of our place in it and of Earth and ourselves ultimately. Also long-term existential issues on one hand and potential for mutual benefit for the other. Some might even <i>wish</i> to see the likely changes it would bring to our world.</p><p>SETI@home is doing its small part in that, limited to very close stellar neighborhood and to technological civilizations that use radio waves. Even if won't find anything with this methods (which is extremely likely IMHO), it would be an important data point in answering the issues I outlined above.</p><p>BTW, why are you so skeptical about any alien life, anywhere in the Universe? Heck, even in our Solar System there are at least <b>four</b> candidates for extraterrestrial life (and that's when limiting ourselves to organic chemistry, basically). Given how unimaginably (really, our mind can't comprehend the vastness of space and number of stars and planets) immense the Universe is, I find the possibility that we are the only place with life <i>extremely</i> unlikely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are approaching this from totally wrong angle.The potential knowledge about existence or non-existence of alien lifeforms ( or of ANYTHING , for that matter ; except perhaps placebo in some way , but OTOH even this has quantifiable causes and effects ) is n't influenced by whether or not you " believe " in them , but by actually checking the possibility ( and it 's not like we direct a lot of resources toward it that could go elsewhere... ) As for the motivation why we would want to do it , so many things possible here ; greater understanding of Universe , of our place in it and of Earth and ourselves ultimately .
Also long-term existential issues on one hand and potential for mutual benefit for the other .
Some might even wish to see the likely changes it would bring to our world.SETI @ home is doing its small part in that , limited to very close stellar neighborhood and to technological civilizations that use radio waves .
Even if wo n't find anything with this methods ( which is extremely likely IMHO ) , it would be an important data point in answering the issues I outlined above.BTW , why are you so skeptical about any alien life , anywhere in the Universe ?
Heck , even in our Solar System there are at least four candidates for extraterrestrial life ( and that 's when limiting ourselves to organic chemistry , basically ) .
Given how unimaginably ( really , our mind ca n't comprehend the vastness of space and number of stars and planets ) immense the Universe is , I find the possibility that we are the only place with life extremely unlikely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are approaching this from totally wrong angle.The potential knowledge about existence or non-existence of alien lifeforms (or of ANYTHING, for that matter; except perhaps placebo in some way, but OTOH even this has quantifiable causes and effects) isn't influenced by whether or not you "believe" in them, but by actually checking the possibility (and it's not like we direct a lot of resources toward it that could go elsewhere...)As for the motivation why we would want to do it, so many things possible here; greater understanding of Universe, of our place in it and of Earth and ourselves ultimately.
Also long-term existential issues on one hand and potential for mutual benefit for the other.
Some might even wish to see the likely changes it would bring to our world.SETI@home is doing its small part in that, limited to very close stellar neighborhood and to technological civilizations that use radio waves.
Even if won't find anything with this methods (which is extremely likely IMHO), it would be an important data point in answering the issues I outlined above.BTW, why are you so skeptical about any alien life, anywhere in the Universe?
Heck, even in our Solar System there are at least four candidates for extraterrestrial life (and that's when limiting ourselves to organic chemistry, basically).
Given how unimaginably (really, our mind can't comprehend the vastness of space and number of stars and planets) immense the Universe is, I find the possibility that we are the only place with life extremely unlikely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302366</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>benjamindees</author>
	<datestamp>1259575140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Other than that, I don't see where S@H costs any more on a system than the resource hog called "Windows Vista".</p></div><p>Yeah, I find this entire line of reasoning to be fatuous.  Well-managed public schools operating with taxpayer funds would be running Linux on donated PCs via a terminal server rather than Windows XP or Vista on thousands of brand new Pentium 4's.</p><p>I remember distinctly the billions of dollars wasted on unnecessary computer hardware and software over the past several years in my local school district alone.  This is nothing compared to that.  Talk about missing the forest for the trees.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Other than that , I do n't see where S @ H costs any more on a system than the resource hog called " Windows Vista " .Yeah , I find this entire line of reasoning to be fatuous .
Well-managed public schools operating with taxpayer funds would be running Linux on donated PCs via a terminal server rather than Windows XP or Vista on thousands of brand new Pentium 4 's.I remember distinctly the billions of dollars wasted on unnecessary computer hardware and software over the past several years in my local school district alone .
This is nothing compared to that .
Talk about missing the forest for the trees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Other than that, I don't see where S@H costs any more on a system than the resource hog called "Windows Vista".Yeah, I find this entire line of reasoning to be fatuous.
Well-managed public schools operating with taxpayer funds would be running Linux on donated PCs via a terminal server rather than Windows XP or Vista on thousands of brand new Pentium 4's.I remember distinctly the billions of dollars wasted on unnecessary computer hardware and software over the past several years in my local school district alone.
This is nothing compared to that.
Talk about missing the forest for the trees.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302076</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302922</id>
	<title>Re:Tone of TFA</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1259576940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree; it is highly unlikely that SETI will find proof of Alien radio broadcasts. However, it is very likely that they will find interesting "signals" out there that will require more scientific investigation to explain their origin. Many scientific discoveries are made accidentally while looking for something else, and I expected SETI to find \_something\_ interesting, but not find any Martian Soap Operas.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree ; it is highly unlikely that SETI will find proof of Alien radio broadcasts .
However , it is very likely that they will find interesting " signals " out there that will require more scientific investigation to explain their origin .
Many scientific discoveries are made accidentally while looking for something else , and I expected SETI to find \ _something \ _ interesting , but not find any Martian Soap Operas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree; it is highly unlikely that SETI will find proof of Alien radio broadcasts.
However, it is very likely that they will find interesting "signals" out there that will require more scientific investigation to explain their origin.
Many scientific discoveries are made accidentally while looking for something else, and I expected SETI to find \_something\_ interesting, but not find any Martian Soap Operas.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303890</id>
	<title>In defense of SETI-guy</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1259579880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If everyone is tagging the SETI guy for the electric bills for the computers actually doing something, isn't it fair to say that the district wasted an even larger amount of money to buy the computers to begin with?</p><p>Electricity at an industrial level is charged based on peak demand usage, which coincides with the working day.  If the computers were idling during the day, then it kinda means that everyone who was assigned that computer wasn't actually working.</p><p>I would not be so quick to jump at the guy using the schools' computer as his "personal" playground, either. Large institutions are not impersonal things or machines that we must throw away our humanity to attend to them. We are not slaves to corporations or governments.  They are us and should reflect us and above all should serve us.  We demand good character of the people that run them because we expect the people that run them to use those institutions in a way that benefits humanity as a whole.  Running SETI at home, was, at least, on some level, consistent with that ideal.</p><p>Put it this way.  Let's say someone on his own initiative runs program on ALL of Exxon Mobils workstations.  If the program accomplishes nothing, the guy might wind up getting fired.  But... if the program finds a cure for cancer, you can certainly bet that Exxon Mobil would be running ads about how they cured cancer and how great they are, and the guy would at least get a trial promotion for being successful.</p><p>It's the same thing with SETI.  If the guy had found aliens on the school computers, he'd have been hailed as a hero.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If everyone is tagging the SETI guy for the electric bills for the computers actually doing something , is n't it fair to say that the district wasted an even larger amount of money to buy the computers to begin with ? Electricity at an industrial level is charged based on peak demand usage , which coincides with the working day .
If the computers were idling during the day , then it kinda means that everyone who was assigned that computer was n't actually working.I would not be so quick to jump at the guy using the schools ' computer as his " personal " playground , either .
Large institutions are not impersonal things or machines that we must throw away our humanity to attend to them .
We are not slaves to corporations or governments .
They are us and should reflect us and above all should serve us .
We demand good character of the people that run them because we expect the people that run them to use those institutions in a way that benefits humanity as a whole .
Running SETI at home , was , at least , on some level , consistent with that ideal.Put it this way .
Let 's say someone on his own initiative runs program on ALL of Exxon Mobils workstations .
If the program accomplishes nothing , the guy might wind up getting fired .
But... if the program finds a cure for cancer , you can certainly bet that Exxon Mobil would be running ads about how they cured cancer and how great they are , and the guy would at least get a trial promotion for being successful.It 's the same thing with SETI .
If the guy had found aliens on the school computers , he 'd have been hailed as a hero .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If everyone is tagging the SETI guy for the electric bills for the computers actually doing something, isn't it fair to say that the district wasted an even larger amount of money to buy the computers to begin with?Electricity at an industrial level is charged based on peak demand usage, which coincides with the working day.
If the computers were idling during the day, then it kinda means that everyone who was assigned that computer wasn't actually working.I would not be so quick to jump at the guy using the schools' computer as his "personal" playground, either.
Large institutions are not impersonal things or machines that we must throw away our humanity to attend to them.
We are not slaves to corporations or governments.
They are us and should reflect us and above all should serve us.
We demand good character of the people that run them because we expect the people that run them to use those institutions in a way that benefits humanity as a whole.
Running SETI at home, was, at least, on some level, consistent with that ideal.Put it this way.
Let's say someone on his own initiative runs program on ALL of Exxon Mobils workstations.
If the program accomplishes nothing, the guy might wind up getting fired.
But... if the program finds a cure for cancer, you can certainly bet that Exxon Mobil would be running ads about how they cured cancer and how great they are, and the guy would at least get a trial promotion for being successful.It's the same thing with SETI.
If the guy had found aliens on the school computers, he'd have been hailed as a hero.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30309864</id>
	<title>Re:Commendable...</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1259854200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some of those computers date back to 2000 - sleep mode?

Also, as comments in this article point out, the techs were forbidden from rolling out a script that would have turned the computers off at night, as it was against school policy.

Read the comments - some are from people who worked there, some from people who live there.  It looks more like the guy was fired because someone - Superintendent Denise Birdwell - wanted to polish her image.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of those computers date back to 2000 - sleep mode ?
Also , as comments in this article point out , the techs were forbidden from rolling out a script that would have turned the computers off at night , as it was against school policy .
Read the comments - some are from people who worked there , some from people who live there .
It looks more like the guy was fired because someone - Superintendent Denise Birdwell - wanted to polish her image .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of those computers date back to 2000 - sleep mode?
Also, as comments in this article point out, the techs were forbidden from rolling out a script that would have turned the computers off at night, as it was against school policy.
Read the comments - some are from people who worked there, some from people who live there.
It looks more like the guy was fired because someone - Superintendent Denise Birdwell - wanted to polish her image.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30307334</id>
	<title>How long can it take to clean the system???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259600160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147847 article:</p><p>The dollar amount to fix the issues, including man hours to remove the software, is unknown but estimated at $1.2 million to $1.6 million. Removing the software will take several months, and should be done by the holiday break, Birdwell said.<br>"It's not easy to remove it," Birdwell said. "You just can't hit an uninstall button."<br>To find out what the problem was, Higley officials hired five technology experts to investigate. One of the technology companies, Todotech, put together a districtwide technology audit that cost $15,000. The audit was discussed Nov. 5 at a school board meeting.</p><p>Surely if it's that bad they can just wipe it and re-install, or better yet: Restore from an image! I could get the entire school done in less than a week!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the http : //www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147847 article : The dollar amount to fix the issues , including man hours to remove the software , is unknown but estimated at $ 1.2 million to $ 1.6 million .
Removing the software will take several months , and should be done by the holiday break , Birdwell said .
" It 's not easy to remove it , " Birdwell said .
" You just ca n't hit an uninstall button .
" To find out what the problem was , Higley officials hired five technology experts to investigate .
One of the technology companies , Todotech , put together a districtwide technology audit that cost $ 15,000 .
The audit was discussed Nov. 5 at a school board meeting.Surely if it 's that bad they can just wipe it and re-install , or better yet : Restore from an image !
I could get the entire school done in less than a week !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147847 article:The dollar amount to fix the issues, including man hours to remove the software, is unknown but estimated at $1.2 million to $1.6 million.
Removing the software will take several months, and should be done by the holiday break, Birdwell said.
"It's not easy to remove it," Birdwell said.
"You just can't hit an uninstall button.
"To find out what the problem was, Higley officials hired five technology experts to investigate.
One of the technology companies, Todotech, put together a districtwide technology audit that cost $15,000.
The audit was discussed Nov. 5 at a school board meeting.Surely if it's that bad they can just wipe it and re-install, or better yet: Restore from an image!
I could get the entire school done in less than a week!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30307978</id>
	<title>Re:AUP?</title>
	<author>ajlisows</author>
	<datestamp>1259609280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm going to assume that you are not the owner of the company where you work.  If my assumption is false....sorry about that.  Now, just because you happen to be the guy that gives approval in the Tech Department I don't see how you can justify deciding that you can make the decision to install SETI on all of the computers.  The policy is likely in place to give somebody (you) the power to ensure that whatever is being done with the computers is in the best interests of your company.</p><p>I assume you chose to run SETI because it is something you are interested in and a cause that you personally believe is worth supporting.  I'm also going to assume that the company is not reaping any benefit from running SETI and indeed is probably paying a few dollars more on its electric bill (minimal, but that isn't the point) from computers using CPU cycles when they should have been idling.  Do you allow others to install hobby/interest software on the company equipment?</p><p>I don't know the exact situation where you work (you may have some understanding with those in charge), but I know if I was your boss I would be a bit suspicious of you if I found this out.  The person responsible for ensuring that the company computers were being used only for company business was....using the computers for something other than company business.  It seems like an abuse of your power...  You can say it is for science and the betterment of humanity but I'm guessing that isn't in the mission statement.</p><p>Please don't take this wrong.  This post may have sounded harsh but I am trying to understand your position.  I personally wouldn't mind throwing Folding @ Home on the network I am in charge of...but I wouldn't feel right using resources like that without consent of the company Executives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm going to assume that you are not the owner of the company where you work .
If my assumption is false....sorry about that .
Now , just because you happen to be the guy that gives approval in the Tech Department I do n't see how you can justify deciding that you can make the decision to install SETI on all of the computers .
The policy is likely in place to give somebody ( you ) the power to ensure that whatever is being done with the computers is in the best interests of your company.I assume you chose to run SETI because it is something you are interested in and a cause that you personally believe is worth supporting .
I 'm also going to assume that the company is not reaping any benefit from running SETI and indeed is probably paying a few dollars more on its electric bill ( minimal , but that is n't the point ) from computers using CPU cycles when they should have been idling .
Do you allow others to install hobby/interest software on the company equipment ? I do n't know the exact situation where you work ( you may have some understanding with those in charge ) , but I know if I was your boss I would be a bit suspicious of you if I found this out .
The person responsible for ensuring that the company computers were being used only for company business was....using the computers for something other than company business .
It seems like an abuse of your power... You can say it is for science and the betterment of humanity but I 'm guessing that is n't in the mission statement.Please do n't take this wrong .
This post may have sounded harsh but I am trying to understand your position .
I personally would n't mind throwing Folding @ Home on the network I am in charge of...but I would n't feel right using resources like that without consent of the company Executives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm going to assume that you are not the owner of the company where you work.
If my assumption is false....sorry about that.
Now, just because you happen to be the guy that gives approval in the Tech Department I don't see how you can justify deciding that you can make the decision to install SETI on all of the computers.
The policy is likely in place to give somebody (you) the power to ensure that whatever is being done with the computers is in the best interests of your company.I assume you chose to run SETI because it is something you are interested in and a cause that you personally believe is worth supporting.
I'm also going to assume that the company is not reaping any benefit from running SETI and indeed is probably paying a few dollars more on its electric bill (minimal, but that isn't the point) from computers using CPU cycles when they should have been idling.
Do you allow others to install hobby/interest software on the company equipment?I don't know the exact situation where you work (you may have some understanding with those in charge), but I know if I was your boss I would be a bit suspicious of you if I found this out.
The person responsible for ensuring that the company computers were being used only for company business was....using the computers for something other than company business.
It seems like an abuse of your power...  You can say it is for science and the betterment of humanity but I'm guessing that isn't in the mission statement.Please don't take this wrong.
This post may have sounded harsh but I am trying to understand your position.
I personally wouldn't mind throwing Folding @ Home on the network I am in charge of...but I wouldn't feel right using resources like that without consent of the company Executives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302946</id>
	<title>More Peeved About SETI than Theft</title>
	<author>gpronger</author>
	<datestamp>1259577000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you read the article in the Arizona Central Newpaper(http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/11/30/20091130searchforaliens1202.html) the bizarre thing is that though they found a bunch of the school district's PC's at his home, they sound more peeved about SETI. The quote from the superintendent Denise Birdwell; "We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research," However, as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T." would seem to indicate that if he had picked one of the other projects, they would have been fine with that.<br> <br>
As is often, it seems that there may be more behind the scenes than before.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you read the article in the Arizona Central Newpaper ( http : //www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/11/30/20091130searchforaliens1202.html ) the bizarre thing is that though they found a bunch of the school district 's PC 's at his home , they sound more peeved about SETI .
The quote from the superintendent Denise Birdwell ; " We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research , " However , as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T .
" would seem to indicate that if he had picked one of the other projects , they would have been fine with that .
As is often , it seems that there may be more behind the scenes than before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you read the article in the Arizona Central Newpaper(http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/11/30/20091130searchforaliens1202.html) the bizarre thing is that though they found a bunch of the school district's PC's at his home, they sound more peeved about SETI.
The quote from the superintendent Denise Birdwell; "We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research," However, as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T.
" would seem to indicate that if he had picked one of the other projects, they would have been fine with that.
As is often, it seems that there may be more behind the scenes than before.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303910</id>
	<title>Re:Ten years to find it on 5,000 computers?</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1259579940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.</i> </p><p>He's the IT guy.</p><p>The fox in the hen house.</p><p>-and don't try to sell me on the idea this sort of thing <b> <i>never</i></b>  happens in small business. Because I ain't buying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers .
He 's the IT guy.The fox in the hen house.-and do n't try to sell me on the idea this sort of thing never happens in small business .
Because I ai n't buying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.
He's the IT guy.The fox in the hen house.-and don't try to sell me on the idea this sort of thing  never  happens in small business.
Because I ain't buying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30305414</id>
	<title>Never forget screensavers</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1259585760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It becomes real sad when you look to those general public computers and see the "cute looking" (but horribly programmed) screensaver using MORE processing/memory/disk (trust me!) than seti@home or folding@home.</p><p>If he gets sued, his lawyer should use this fact. Only remaining low power stand by devices are non smart phones, that is -if- they didn't enable flash lite or animated gif screensaver with lights on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It becomes real sad when you look to those general public computers and see the " cute looking " ( but horribly programmed ) screensaver using MORE processing/memory/disk ( trust me !
) than seti @ home or folding @ home.If he gets sued , his lawyer should use this fact .
Only remaining low power stand by devices are non smart phones , that is -if- they did n't enable flash lite or animated gif screensaver with lights on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It becomes real sad when you look to those general public computers and see the "cute looking" (but horribly programmed) screensaver using MORE processing/memory/disk (trust me!
) than seti@home or folding@home.If he gets sued, his lawyer should use this fact.
Only remaining low power stand by devices are non smart phones, that is -if- they didn't enable flash lite or animated gif screensaver with lights on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302744</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306564</id>
	<title>Re:baaaaloney</title>
	<author>Interoperable</author>
	<datestamp>1259593320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It depends on the machines. He started about 10 years ago and it's on educational machines. There's a possibility that many are running old processors with Windows 98, which doesn't (if memory serves me) have the HLT instruction. In fact, on older machines an idle clock cycle is not that much less power consuming than one executing an instruction. Sure they could have been switched off, but many institutions don't bother anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It depends on the machines .
He started about 10 years ago and it 's on educational machines .
There 's a possibility that many are running old processors with Windows 98 , which does n't ( if memory serves me ) have the HLT instruction .
In fact , on older machines an idle clock cycle is not that much less power consuming than one executing an instruction .
Sure they could have been switched off , but many institutions do n't bother anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It depends on the machines.
He started about 10 years ago and it's on educational machines.
There's a possibility that many are running old processors with Windows 98, which doesn't (if memory serves me) have the HLT instruction.
In fact, on older machines an idle clock cycle is not that much less power consuming than one executing an instruction.
Sure they could have been switched off, but many institutions don't bother anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30305586</id>
	<title>Re:AUP?</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1259586540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is why the Tenure system was instituted. To prevent dismissals due to political or idealogical reasons.</p></div><p>I'd say it's more along the lines of preventing dismissals for reasons of gross incompetence.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why the Tenure system was instituted .
To prevent dismissals due to political or idealogical reasons.I 'd say it 's more along the lines of preventing dismissals for reasons of gross incompetence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why the Tenure system was instituted.
To prevent dismissals due to political or idealogical reasons.I'd say it's more along the lines of preventing dismissals for reasons of gross incompetence.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302254</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302298</id>
	<title>Stop wasting our electricity, Fox Mulder</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1259574960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd have a lot more sympathy from the guy if this were at least folding@home. The SETI project is, to put it bluntly, a complete waste of time and resources. The odds of finding a coincidental, intelligent, and perceptible alien civilization that happens to be in the narrow technological window of using radio waves for communication, at any communicative distance from earth, is all but nil. This guy wasted way more human resources (resources that weren't even his own) than this project will ever be worth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd have a lot more sympathy from the guy if this were at least folding @ home .
The SETI project is , to put it bluntly , a complete waste of time and resources .
The odds of finding a coincidental , intelligent , and perceptible alien civilization that happens to be in the narrow technological window of using radio waves for communication , at any communicative distance from earth , is all but nil .
This guy wasted way more human resources ( resources that were n't even his own ) than this project will ever be worth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd have a lot more sympathy from the guy if this were at least folding@home.
The SETI project is, to put it bluntly, a complete waste of time and resources.
The odds of finding a coincidental, intelligent, and perceptible alien civilization that happens to be in the narrow technological window of using radio waves for communication, at any communicative distance from earth, is all but nil.
This guy wasted way more human resources (resources that weren't even his own) than this project will ever be worth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302956</id>
	<title>Re:$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>Sloppy</author>
	<datestamp>1259577060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Unless it goes to sleep there is NO COST difference...</p></div></blockquote><p>You're out of date.  What you say used to be true, but the hardware has gotten much better in the last decade.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless it goes to sleep there is NO COST difference...You 're out of date .
What you say used to be true , but the hardware has gotten much better in the last decade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless it goes to sleep there is NO COST difference...You're out of date.
What you say used to be true, but the hardware has gotten much better in the last decade.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30313888</id>
	<title>HVAC tradeoff?</title>
	<author>LeadSongDog</author>
	<datestamp>1259868780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So the computers used some electricity. They also produced some heat. (For a dark screen, the numbers are FAPP equal.) The questions then become <br>1:"Did the school normally heat with electricity, or something less expensive?"; <br>2:"Did SETI run during times when the school did not need to be heated?"; and <br>3:"Did SETI run when air conditioning was running?" <br>Obviously there is only one free-beer combination of answers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So the computers used some electricity .
They also produced some heat .
( For a dark screen , the numbers are FAPP equal .
) The questions then become 1 : " Did the school normally heat with electricity , or something less expensive ?
" ; 2 : " Did SETI run during times when the school did not need to be heated ?
" ; and 3 : " Did SETI run when air conditioning was running ?
" Obviously there is only one free-beer combination of answers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the computers used some electricity.
They also produced some heat.
(For a dark screen, the numbers are FAPP equal.
) The questions then become 1:"Did the school normally heat with electricity, or something less expensive?
"; 2:"Did SETI run during times when the school did not need to be heated?
"; and 3:"Did SETI run when air conditioning was running?
" Obviously there is only one free-beer combination of answers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302420</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302542</id>
	<title>Re:"software slowed down educational programs"</title>
	<author>MickyTheIdiot</author>
	<datestamp>1259575620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oregon Trail ran a whole five seconds slower!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oregon Trail ran a whole five seconds slower !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oregon Trail ran a whole five seconds slower!
!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303060</id>
	<title>Re:Love how they make it sound like a sci-fi novel</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1259577360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Reading the article, you'd think the guy was some deranged tinfoil-hat wearing conspiracy theorist devilishly enlisting the school's resources to justify his own crackpot theories, not just some guy using the school's computers to help a scientific organization crunch data.</p></div></blockquote><p>Reading TFA, yoou could, depending on your biases, get either of the above impressions, but if you read <a href="http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147847" title="eastvalleytribune.com">the more complete story</a> [eastvalleytribune.com], you might get the idea that there was more to the story than either of those, and that simply installing SETI@Home without permission was largely beside the point, and that more important in both the firing and the criminal investigation were the allegations:<br>1. That when problems first came to light with SETI@Home interfering with other uses of computing equipment, he was ordered to remove the software and claimed that he had,<br>2. That he misappropriated at least 18 computers and other associated equipment from the district to use in his personal home-based business,<br>3. That he used school equipment to download pornography.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading the article , you 'd think the guy was some deranged tinfoil-hat wearing conspiracy theorist devilishly enlisting the school 's resources to justify his own crackpot theories , not just some guy using the school 's computers to help a scientific organization crunch data.Reading TFA , yoou could , depending on your biases , get either of the above impressions , but if you read the more complete story [ eastvalleytribune.com ] , you might get the idea that there was more to the story than either of those , and that simply installing SETI @ Home without permission was largely beside the point , and that more important in both the firing and the criminal investigation were the allegations : 1 .
That when problems first came to light with SETI @ Home interfering with other uses of computing equipment , he was ordered to remove the software and claimed that he had,2 .
That he misappropriated at least 18 computers and other associated equipment from the district to use in his personal home-based business,3 .
That he used school equipment to download pornography .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading the article, you'd think the guy was some deranged tinfoil-hat wearing conspiracy theorist devilishly enlisting the school's resources to justify his own crackpot theories, not just some guy using the school's computers to help a scientific organization crunch data.Reading TFA, yoou could, depending on your biases, get either of the above impressions, but if you read the more complete story [eastvalleytribune.com], you might get the idea that there was more to the story than either of those, and that simply installing SETI@Home without permission was largely beside the point, and that more important in both the firing and the criminal investigation were the allegations:1.
That when problems first came to light with SETI@Home interfering with other uses of computing equipment, he was ordered to remove the software and claimed that he had,2.
That he misappropriated at least 18 computers and other associated equipment from the district to use in his personal home-based business,3.
That he used school equipment to download pornography.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308448</id>
	<title>Stupid</title>
	<author>xenobyte</author>
	<datestamp>1259833920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone with the tiniest amount of knowledge about SETI@Home and networks would know that the software does not pose any kind of security risk. It doesn't 'open a port allowing access to the systems' (an open inbound port) but rather an outbound connection once in a while to deliver processed work and receive a new workload.</p><p>Now, if the software indeed caused problems with the intended use of the computers, it must be removed. No discussion.But otherwise I cannot see a problem running that instead of another stupid screensaver that does nothing useful. This SETI-project is at least useful, maybe even commendable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone with the tiniest amount of knowledge about SETI @ Home and networks would know that the software does not pose any kind of security risk .
It does n't 'open a port allowing access to the systems ' ( an open inbound port ) but rather an outbound connection once in a while to deliver processed work and receive a new workload.Now , if the software indeed caused problems with the intended use of the computers , it must be removed .
No discussion.But otherwise I can not see a problem running that instead of another stupid screensaver that does nothing useful .
This SETI-project is at least useful , maybe even commendable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone with the tiniest amount of knowledge about SETI@Home and networks would know that the software does not pose any kind of security risk.
It doesn't 'open a port allowing access to the systems' (an open inbound port) but rather an outbound connection once in a while to deliver processed work and receive a new workload.Now, if the software indeed caused problems with the intended use of the computers, it must be removed.
No discussion.But otherwise I cannot see a problem running that instead of another stupid screensaver that does nothing useful.
This SETI-project is at least useful, maybe even commendable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308074</id>
	<title>Re:He also had equipment from the school at his ho</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259610720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought newspapers are folding to take less space.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought newspapers are folding to take less space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought newspapers are folding to take less space.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302616</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30307882</id>
	<title>Uninstall all default Windows games then</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259607840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wonder why no extraterrestrials have contacted us yet? There is no intelligence here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wonder why no extraterrestrials have contacted us yet ?
There is no intelligence here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wonder why no extraterrestrials have contacted us yet?
There is no intelligence here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303150</id>
	<title>Re:"software slowed down educational programs"</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1259577600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Knowing vaguely how SETI@home and BOINC and Folding@Home work, I suspect this is a BS allegation.</p></div></blockquote><p>Or, more likely, just bad reporting. The <a href="http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147847" title="eastvalleytribune.com">more complete story</a> [eastvalleytribune.com] cites a $1.2 million to $1.6 million estimated cost to address the problems at issue -- which go far beyond SETI@Home. TFA has elided most of the real issues to focus on SETI@Home, and presented the "over $1 million" estimated cost as the cost of dealing with SETI@Home alone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Knowing vaguely how SETI @ home and BOINC and Folding @ Home work , I suspect this is a BS allegation.Or , more likely , just bad reporting .
The more complete story [ eastvalleytribune.com ] cites a $ 1.2 million to $ 1.6 million estimated cost to address the problems at issue -- which go far beyond SETI @ Home .
TFA has elided most of the real issues to focus on SETI @ Home , and presented the " over $ 1 million " estimated cost as the cost of dealing with SETI @ Home alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Knowing vaguely how SETI@home and BOINC and Folding@Home work, I suspect this is a BS allegation.Or, more likely, just bad reporting.
The more complete story [eastvalleytribune.com] cites a $1.2 million to $1.6 million estimated cost to address the problems at issue -- which go far beyond SETI@Home.
TFA has elided most of the real issues to focus on SETI@Home, and presented the "over $1 million" estimated cost as the cost of dealing with SETI@Home alone.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302314</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30307206</id>
	<title>PS.</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1259599140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>( yes, the above post of mine should start with </p><p><div class="quote"><p>And why alien life and not something else</p></div><p>...)</p><p>And one another thing</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Alright if you want it like that, why is finding mars men cool and not ghosts or something else?</p></div><p>Are you sure you're not trolling? Nobody seriously talks about "mars men", at least nobody at SETI. I'd guess you're more likely to find such people in their places of cult in the deserts/etc....</p><p>And ghosts...well, some people do research that. With the emphasis on <i>research</i>. As far as we can tell, its bollocks...<br><a href="http://www.randi.org/" title="randi.org">http://www.randi.org/</a> [randi.org]<br>Left at most for psychology, neuroscience or evolutionary origins of religions.</p></div>
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<tokenext>( yes , the above post of mine should start with And why alien life and not something else... ) And one another thingAlright if you want it like that , why is finding mars men cool and not ghosts or something else ? Are you sure you 're not trolling ?
Nobody seriously talks about " mars men " , at least nobody at SETI .
I 'd guess you 're more likely to find such people in their places of cult in the deserts/etc....And ghosts...well , some people do research that .
With the emphasis on research .
As far as we can tell , its bollocks...http : //www.randi.org/ [ randi.org ] Left at most for psychology , neuroscience or evolutionary origins of religions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>( yes, the above post of mine should start with And why alien life and not something else...)And one another thingAlright if you want it like that, why is finding mars men cool and not ghosts or something else?Are you sure you're not trolling?
Nobody seriously talks about "mars men", at least nobody at SETI.
I'd guess you're more likely to find such people in their places of cult in the deserts/etc....And ghosts...well, some people do research that.
With the emphasis on research.
As far as we can tell, its bollocks...http://www.randi.org/ [randi.org]Left at most for psychology, neuroscience or evolutionary origins of religions.
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	<title>Reminds me of my HS days.</title>
	<author>angelbunny</author>
	<datestamp>1259602860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>At the high school I went to we had a 3D animation class running xsi softimage. It was a fun class and I eventually became the TA. I then discovered that all of the computers in the entire school district had been wired using fiber underground. This wasn't 5000 computers, but still it was a good 800 or so unused. For our 3D class most computers would be set to render and they would stay on all night. The next morning (usually over the weekend) we would come back to see if our work was done.</p><p>I had the genius idea to install the headless xsi renderfarm backend software (can't remember the name of it) on all of the computer in the district. This way the rendering could be greatly accelerated over the school district. The problem is the education license of softimage is everything the full retail version has with a limitation on multi computer rendering. After I ran tests on the software for a week planning to streamline the software into every computer, the school got a call. The xsi people called letting us know of our license restrictions. Because of this, the plan never went through. However, I never would of in a million years have foreseen a consequence like being charged 1mil because of the pissy school district.</p><p>Sometimes in the IT world when you think outside the box and it does genuinely help it only comes back to bite you in the ass regardless. *sigh*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At the high school I went to we had a 3D animation class running xsi softimage .
It was a fun class and I eventually became the TA .
I then discovered that all of the computers in the entire school district had been wired using fiber underground .
This was n't 5000 computers , but still it was a good 800 or so unused .
For our 3D class most computers would be set to render and they would stay on all night .
The next morning ( usually over the weekend ) we would come back to see if our work was done.I had the genius idea to install the headless xsi renderfarm backend software ( ca n't remember the name of it ) on all of the computer in the district .
This way the rendering could be greatly accelerated over the school district .
The problem is the education license of softimage is everything the full retail version has with a limitation on multi computer rendering .
After I ran tests on the software for a week planning to streamline the software into every computer , the school got a call .
The xsi people called letting us know of our license restrictions .
Because of this , the plan never went through .
However , I never would of in a million years have foreseen a consequence like being charged 1mil because of the pissy school district.Sometimes in the IT world when you think outside the box and it does genuinely help it only comes back to bite you in the ass regardless .
* sigh *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the high school I went to we had a 3D animation class running xsi softimage.
It was a fun class and I eventually became the TA.
I then discovered that all of the computers in the entire school district had been wired using fiber underground.
This wasn't 5000 computers, but still it was a good 800 or so unused.
For our 3D class most computers would be set to render and they would stay on all night.
The next morning (usually over the weekend) we would come back to see if our work was done.I had the genius idea to install the headless xsi renderfarm backend software (can't remember the name of it) on all of the computer in the district.
This way the rendering could be greatly accelerated over the school district.
The problem is the education license of softimage is everything the full retail version has with a limitation on multi computer rendering.
After I ran tests on the software for a week planning to streamline the software into every computer, the school got a call.
The xsi people called letting us know of our license restrictions.
Because of this, the plan never went through.
However, I never would of in a million years have foreseen a consequence like being charged 1mil because of the pissy school district.Sometimes in the IT world when you think outside the box and it does genuinely help it only comes back to bite you in the ass regardless.
*sigh*</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304222</id>
	<title>Re:baaaaloney</title>
	<author>Tynin</author>
	<datestamp>1259581080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Regarding computer replacement parts -- not really. Those machines are going to sit there no matter what, and they will fail at the same rates regardless of what software is running on them. OTOH, if they were running 24/7 and that was being done only so SETI@Home could run, then yes -- replacement costs of fans and harddrives would have gone up.</p></div><p>I agree with everything that you said, but what about electromigration? Wouldn't that be a concern when dealing with 5000 computers over 10 years of 24/7 usage? I'd hate to be the one who rebooted them and waited to see if they came back up. Just curious what you think on this. Thanks<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
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<tokenext>Regarding computer replacement parts -- not really .
Those machines are going to sit there no matter what , and they will fail at the same rates regardless of what software is running on them .
OTOH , if they were running 24/7 and that was being done only so SETI @ Home could run , then yes -- replacement costs of fans and harddrives would have gone up.I agree with everything that you said , but what about electromigration ?
Would n't that be a concern when dealing with 5000 computers over 10 years of 24/7 usage ?
I 'd hate to be the one who rebooted them and waited to see if they came back up .
Just curious what you think on this .
Thanks : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Regarding computer replacement parts -- not really.
Those machines are going to sit there no matter what, and they will fail at the same rates regardless of what software is running on them.
OTOH, if they were running 24/7 and that was being done only so SETI@Home could run, then yes -- replacement costs of fans and harddrives would have gone up.I agree with everything that you said, but what about electromigration?
Wouldn't that be a concern when dealing with 5000 computers over 10 years of 24/7 usage?
I'd hate to be the one who rebooted them and waited to see if they came back up.
Just curious what you think on this.
Thanks :)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30307110</id>
	<title>Re:$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1259598360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Seti has always been available as that screensaver thing, or it could be installed as a service.  More, it could be set to go inactive while the computer was in use, or to continue while the computer was in use.  I always saw the screensaver as a waste.  Why use processing power to draw pictures of the work being done, when the same processing power could be used to do more work?  I always set it up as a service.  The settings have changed over the years, but generally, my machines go inactive during use, and resume 3 minutes after users go inactive.  All my machines have a "Blank screen" screensaver setting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seti has always been available as that screensaver thing , or it could be installed as a service .
More , it could be set to go inactive while the computer was in use , or to continue while the computer was in use .
I always saw the screensaver as a waste .
Why use processing power to draw pictures of the work being done , when the same processing power could be used to do more work ?
I always set it up as a service .
The settings have changed over the years , but generally , my machines go inactive during use , and resume 3 minutes after users go inactive .
All my machines have a " Blank screen " screensaver setting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seti has always been available as that screensaver thing, or it could be installed as a service.
More, it could be set to go inactive while the computer was in use, or to continue while the computer was in use.
I always saw the screensaver as a waste.
Why use processing power to draw pictures of the work being done, when the same processing power could be used to do more work?
I always set it up as a service.
The settings have changed over the years, but generally, my machines go inactive during use, and resume 3 minutes after users go inactive.
All my machines have a "Blank screen" screensaver setting.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302712</id>
	<title>RT-more complete-A</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1259576160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>$1 million for five thousand computers......come on, even if SET@Home had completely worn down the computers that they had to replace every single computer, it would have only cost $500k.</p><p>[...]</p><p>In addition, he had gotten permission from a previous administrator to install the software. There is nothing here that justifies filing criminal charges.</p></div></blockquote><p>TFA is an exceptionally bad article on the story, only referring to the SETI@Home portion of the issue as if it were the only thing involved. It is not. As <a href="http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147847" title="eastvalleytribune.com">this East Valley Times story</a> [eastvalleytribune.com] (which appears to be the original story) reports, Niesluchowski is "accused of taking at least 18 computers and other technology equipment to use in his home-based business, downloading pornography on school computers, and generally failing to do his job in the technology department" as well as installing SETI@Home.</p><p>Also, the $1.2 million to $1.6 million cost estimate seems to be identified as an estimate to fix all the issues involved; the article reports that the problems stemming from Niesluchowskis poor performance and misconduct "include a network system not designed to handle the district's growth, a system in need of substantial repair and a building needed to securely house the network. There are also cabling problems and a lack of tracking inventory for technology equipment that is three years out of date."</p><p>Furthermore, instead of having permission from previous administrators, the report is that he was told to remove the software by previous administrators, to whom he reported, falsely, that it had been removed.</p></div>
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<tokenext>$ 1 million for five thousand computers......come on , even if SET @ Home had completely worn down the computers that they had to replace every single computer , it would have only cost $ 500k. [ .. .
] In addition , he had gotten permission from a previous administrator to install the software .
There is nothing here that justifies filing criminal charges.TFA is an exceptionally bad article on the story , only referring to the SETI @ Home portion of the issue as if it were the only thing involved .
It is not .
As this East Valley Times story [ eastvalleytribune.com ] ( which appears to be the original story ) reports , Niesluchowski is " accused of taking at least 18 computers and other technology equipment to use in his home-based business , downloading pornography on school computers , and generally failing to do his job in the technology department " as well as installing SETI @ Home.Also , the $ 1.2 million to $ 1.6 million cost estimate seems to be identified as an estimate to fix all the issues involved ; the article reports that the problems stemming from Niesluchowskis poor performance and misconduct " include a network system not designed to handle the district 's growth , a system in need of substantial repair and a building needed to securely house the network .
There are also cabling problems and a lack of tracking inventory for technology equipment that is three years out of date .
" Furthermore , instead of having permission from previous administrators , the report is that he was told to remove the software by previous administrators , to whom he reported , falsely , that it had been removed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$1 million for five thousand computers......come on, even if SET@Home had completely worn down the computers that they had to replace every single computer, it would have only cost $500k.[...
]In addition, he had gotten permission from a previous administrator to install the software.
There is nothing here that justifies filing criminal charges.TFA is an exceptionally bad article on the story, only referring to the SETI@Home portion of the issue as if it were the only thing involved.
It is not.
As this East Valley Times story [eastvalleytribune.com] (which appears to be the original story) reports, Niesluchowski is "accused of taking at least 18 computers and other technology equipment to use in his home-based business, downloading pornography on school computers, and generally failing to do his job in the technology department" as well as installing SETI@Home.Also, the $1.2 million to $1.6 million cost estimate seems to be identified as an estimate to fix all the issues involved; the article reports that the problems stemming from Niesluchowskis poor performance and misconduct "include a network system not designed to handle the district's growth, a system in need of substantial repair and a building needed to securely house the network.
There are also cabling problems and a lack of tracking inventory for technology equipment that is three years out of date.
"Furthermore, instead of having permission from previous administrators, the report is that he was told to remove the software by previous administrators, to whom he reported, falsely, that it had been removed.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302026</id>
	<title>$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259574240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I'd say they lost money on power consumption. Not up keep.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd say they lost money on power consumption .
Not up keep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd say they lost money on power consumption.
Not up keep.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304054</id>
	<title>Re:$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>Sillygates</author>
	<datestamp>1259580420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'd say they lost money on power consumption. Not up keep.</p></div><p>Running your processors at full speed raises the temperature of computers.<br> <br>
In the department where I work, we have seen many heat related computer deaths (especially with these machines: <a href="https://www.plymouth.edu/webapp/surplus/uploads/full\_size/6630\_dell\_gx260-01.jpg" title="plymouth.edu">https://www.plymouth.edu/webapp/surplus/uploads/full\_size/6630\_dell\_gx260-01.jpg</a> [plymouth.edu] ). I have seen the SMART statistics off of several hard drives that report them as running over temperature in their lifetime. The logs on the machines are also full of "cpu over temperature" warnings.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 'd say they lost money on power consumption .
Not up keep.Running your processors at full speed raises the temperature of computers .
In the department where I work , we have seen many heat related computer deaths ( especially with these machines : https : //www.plymouth.edu/webapp/surplus/uploads/full \ _size/6630 \ _dell \ _gx260-01.jpg [ plymouth.edu ] ) .
I have seen the SMART statistics off of several hard drives that report them as running over temperature in their lifetime .
The logs on the machines are also full of " cpu over temperature " warnings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd say they lost money on power consumption.
Not up keep.Running your processors at full speed raises the temperature of computers.
In the department where I work, we have seen many heat related computer deaths (especially with these machines: https://www.plymouth.edu/webapp/surplus/uploads/full\_size/6630\_dell\_gx260-01.jpg [plymouth.edu] ).
I have seen the SMART statistics off of several hard drives that report them as running over temperature in their lifetime.
The logs on the machines are also full of "cpu over temperature" warnings.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302884</id>
	<title>Re:Ten years to find it on 5,000 computers?</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1259576760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.</p></div><p>I worked for a corporation supporting over 78,000 workstations. I had full admin rights to each one of those systems. I could have popped SETI@Home on them and it would have ran for years without anyone being the wiser, assuming I made a few trivial changes so it didn't show up in task manager.</p><p>Governments... Large corporations... same difference, really.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.I worked for a corporation supporting over 78,000 workstations .
I had full admin rights to each one of those systems .
I could have popped SETI @ Home on them and it would have ran for years without anyone being the wiser , assuming I made a few trivial changes so it did n't show up in task manager.Governments... Large corporations... same difference , really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.I worked for a corporation supporting over 78,000 workstations.
I had full admin rights to each one of those systems.
I could have popped SETI@Home on them and it would have ran for years without anyone being the wiser, assuming I made a few trivial changes so it didn't show up in task manager.Governments... Large corporations... same difference, really.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30310244</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>LanMan04</author>
	<datestamp>1259856120000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>40 watts x 24 hours x 365 days x 10 years x 5000 machines x $.06<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/kwh = $1,051,200</p></div><p>Now subtract next dollar amount off that figure as the machines would have been running anyway (24/7 as mandated by the district):</p><p>20 watts x 24 hours x 365 days x 10 years x 5000 machines x $.06<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/kwh = $525,600</p><p>So total cost was: $525,600</p></div>
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<tokenext>40 watts x 24 hours x 365 days x 10 years x 5000 machines x $ .06 /kwh = $ 1,051,200Now subtract next dollar amount off that figure as the machines would have been running anyway ( 24/7 as mandated by the district ) : 20 watts x 24 hours x 365 days x 10 years x 5000 machines x $ .06 /kwh = $ 525,600So total cost was : $ 525,600</tokentext>
<sentencetext>40 watts x 24 hours x 365 days x 10 years x 5000 machines x $.06 /kwh = $1,051,200Now subtract next dollar amount off that figure as the machines would have been running anyway (24/7 as mandated by the district):20 watts x 24 hours x 365 days x 10 years x 5000 machines x $.06 /kwh = $525,600So total cost was: $525,600
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30307666</id>
	<title>workplace "accountability"</title>
	<author>msulis</author>
	<datestamp>1259604720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><tt>Just because of the magnitude of the role he held, the million dollars is easy to come up with. But also due to that magnitude, a million dollars is really not a big deal. When employers start holding people accountable financially like that, productivity freezes out of fear. I mean, what if when he purchased the machines, he bargained for a great deal and saved $200 on each one? Now he's even, but nobody's threatening to GIVE him that money. It's a bad path to head down - dollar for dollar liability at your job.<br><br>And besides, didn't thousands of children learn about Fourier transforms? That's got to be worth at least a few bucks per student.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because of the magnitude of the role he held , the million dollars is easy to come up with .
But also due to that magnitude , a million dollars is really not a big deal .
When employers start holding people accountable financially like that , productivity freezes out of fear .
I mean , what if when he purchased the machines , he bargained for a great deal and saved $ 200 on each one ?
Now he 's even , but nobody 's threatening to GIVE him that money .
It 's a bad path to head down - dollar for dollar liability at your job.And besides , did n't thousands of children learn about Fourier transforms ?
That 's got to be worth at least a few bucks per student .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because of the magnitude of the role he held, the million dollars is easy to come up with.
But also due to that magnitude, a million dollars is really not a big deal.
When employers start holding people accountable financially like that, productivity freezes out of fear.
I mean, what if when he purchased the machines, he bargained for a great deal and saved $200 on each one?
Now he's even, but nobody's threatening to GIVE him that money.
It's a bad path to head down - dollar for dollar liability at your job.And besides, didn't thousands of children learn about Fourier transforms?
That's got to be worth at least a few bucks per student.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302380</id>
	<title>He was fired for stealing and porn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259575200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>A better article starts:<blockquote><div><p> <i>A longtime Higley Unified School District information technology director has lost his job and is under police investigation for taking computers home, downloading pornography and installing computer software throughout the district that searches for extraterrestrial intelligence.</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>


<a href="http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147847" title="eastvalleytribune.com">http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147847</a> [eastvalleytribune.com]</p></div>
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<tokenext>A better article starts : A longtime Higley Unified School District information technology director has lost his job and is under police investigation for taking computers home , downloading pornography and installing computer software throughout the district that searches for extraterrestrial intelligence .
http : //www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147847 [ eastvalleytribune.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A better article starts: A longtime Higley Unified School District information technology director has lost his job and is under police investigation for taking computers home, downloading pornography and installing computer software throughout the district that searches for extraterrestrial intelligence.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147847 [eastvalleytribune.com]
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306422</id>
	<title>Re:baaaaloney</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259592180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Of the many things you said that are flat out wrong, I'll just take time to pick one.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Those machines are going to sit there no matter what, and they will fail at the same rates regardless of what software is running on them. </p></div><p>They will fail at a higher rate under heat and use. More processes running, especially math intensive ones, will create more heat. More heat increases failure rates. Do some research.</p><p>If those processes cause paging, hence more disk activity, those disks will fail sooner. To claim the failure rate will be constant no matter what is run on a computer is incorrect.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Of the many things you said that are flat out wrong , I 'll just take time to pick one.Those machines are going to sit there no matter what , and they will fail at the same rates regardless of what software is running on them .
They will fail at a higher rate under heat and use .
More processes running , especially math intensive ones , will create more heat .
More heat increases failure rates .
Do some research.If those processes cause paging , hence more disk activity , those disks will fail sooner .
To claim the failure rate will be constant no matter what is run on a computer is incorrect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of the many things you said that are flat out wrong, I'll just take time to pick one.Those machines are going to sit there no matter what, and they will fail at the same rates regardless of what software is running on them.
They will fail at a higher rate under heat and use.
More processes running, especially math intensive ones, will create more heat.
More heat increases failure rates.
Do some research.If those processes cause paging, hence more disk activity, those disks will fail sooner.
To claim the failure rate will be constant no matter what is run on a computer is incorrect.
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	<title>Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell...</title>
	<author>bobdotorg</author>
	<datestamp>1259576220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell does not in fact welcome our new extra terrestrial overlords.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell does not in fact welcome our new extra terrestrial overlords .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell does not in fact welcome our new extra terrestrial overlords.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302348</id>
	<title>Re:$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>CohibaVancouver</author>
	<datestamp>1259575080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>it ran as a screen saver</i></p><p> 

However it might have ran, it certainly didn't 'save screens.'  Back in the day I saw many many CRTs with their phosphors permanently 'burned' by the SETI@Home display:<br> <br>

<a href="http://blog.sherweb.com/wp-content/uploads/seti\_home\_screen\_l.gif" title="sherweb.com">http://blog.sherweb.com/wp-content/uploads/seti\_home\_screen\_l.gif</a> [sherweb.com]

<br> <br>I used to advise people running SETI@Home to turn off their CRTs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it ran as a screen saver However it might have ran , it certainly did n't 'save screens .
' Back in the day I saw many many CRTs with their phosphors permanently 'burned ' by the SETI @ Home display : http : //blog.sherweb.com/wp-content/uploads/seti \ _home \ _screen \ _l.gif [ sherweb.com ] I used to advise people running SETI @ Home to turn off their CRTs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> it ran as a screen saver 

However it might have ran, it certainly didn't 'save screens.
'  Back in the day I saw many many CRTs with their phosphors permanently 'burned' by the SETI@Home display: 

http://blog.sherweb.com/wp-content/uploads/seti\_home\_screen\_l.gif [sherweb.com]

 I used to advise people running SETI@Home to turn off their CRTs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302094</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30307212</id>
	<title>Re:Oops</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1259599260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really? How can you tell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
How can you tell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
How can you tell.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302270</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302414</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1259575260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Support costs related to "my computer's slow!" issues cost money, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Support costs related to " my computer 's slow !
" issues cost money , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Support costs related to "my computer's slow!
" issues cost money, too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302076</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302182</id>
	<title>Guys, focus on what's important</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259574660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>We just all went up a spot!</htmltext>
<tokenext>We just all went up a spot !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We just all went up a spot!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302482</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>C10H14N2</author>
	<datestamp>1259575440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Consider an old CPU that is 5W idle vs. 25W peak. 20W difference works out roughly to:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.02*.06*24*3650*5000</p><p>That's $525,600 in juice over ten years assuming $0.06/KWh -- just for the CPUs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Consider an old CPU that is 5W idle vs. 25W peak .
20W difference works out roughly to : .02 * .06 * 24 * 3650 * 5000That 's $ 525,600 in juice over ten years assuming $ 0.06/KWh -- just for the CPUs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consider an old CPU that is 5W idle vs. 25W peak.
20W difference works out roughly to: .02*.06*24*3650*5000That's $525,600 in juice over ten years assuming $0.06/KWh -- just for the CPUs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302076</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30307144</id>
	<title>Re:AUP?</title>
	<author>garompeta</author>
	<datestamp>1259598720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I figured that finding ET would have a greater impact on society that a cure for cancer. Who knows, maybe ET will be able to help us cure diseases while curing diseases will not help us find ET</p></div><p>
Or maybe they will be offering us the cure of all diseases so we taste better, after all they probable would have USDA-like standards for their meat...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I figured that finding ET would have a greater impact on society that a cure for cancer .
Who knows , maybe ET will be able to help us cure diseases while curing diseases will not help us find ET Or maybe they will be offering us the cure of all diseases so we taste better , after all they probable would have USDA-like standards for their meat.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I figured that finding ET would have a greater impact on society that a cure for cancer.
Who knows, maybe ET will be able to help us cure diseases while curing diseases will not help us find ET
Or maybe they will be offering us the cure of all diseases so we taste better, after all they probable would have USDA-like standards for their meat...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302254</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302192</id>
	<title>it's a desperate school district looking for money</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1259574660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>$1 million for five thousand computers......come on, even if SET@Home had completely worn down the computers that they had to replace every single computer, it would have only cost $500k.  But running SETI@Home doesn't wear down your computer like that, they shouldn't have had to replace the computers.  I don't know about the electrical costs, though; someone else will have to calculate that.<br> <br>
The illogical basis for their claim is revealed with this quote:<p><div class="quote"><p>"We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research," said Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell. "However, as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T."</p></div><p>So.....it's not really about the cost, it's about the subject matter? What is your real reasoning for being upset, here? <br> <br> In addition, he had gotten permission from a previous administrator to install the software. There is nothing here that justifies filing criminal charges.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 1 million for five thousand computers......come on , even if SET @ Home had completely worn down the computers that they had to replace every single computer , it would have only cost $ 500k .
But running SETI @ Home does n't wear down your computer like that , they should n't have had to replace the computers .
I do n't know about the electrical costs , though ; someone else will have to calculate that .
The illogical basis for their claim is revealed with this quote : " We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research , " said Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell .
" However , as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T .
" So.....it 's not really about the cost , it 's about the subject matter ?
What is your real reasoning for being upset , here ?
In addition , he had gotten permission from a previous administrator to install the software .
There is nothing here that justifies filing criminal charges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$1 million for five thousand computers......come on, even if SET@Home had completely worn down the computers that they had to replace every single computer, it would have only cost $500k.
But running SETI@Home doesn't wear down your computer like that, they shouldn't have had to replace the computers.
I don't know about the electrical costs, though; someone else will have to calculate that.
The illogical basis for their claim is revealed with this quote:"We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research," said Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell.
"However, as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T.
"So.....it's not really about the cost, it's about the subject matter?
What is your real reasoning for being upset, here?
In addition, he had gotten permission from a previous administrator to install the software.
There is nothing here that justifies filing criminal charges.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308782</id>
	<title>Flannel</title>
	<author>dugeen</author>
	<datestamp>1259839380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The 'as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T' guy is wrong to suggest, on educational grounds, that the same behaviour would have been perfectly OK if the computers had been using power to do research on cancer. Doubtless the admin would have got the push for that too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The 'as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T ' guy is wrong to suggest , on educational grounds , that the same behaviour would have been perfectly OK if the computers had been using power to do research on cancer .
Doubtless the admin would have got the push for that too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 'as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T' guy is wrong to suggest, on educational grounds, that the same behaviour would have been perfectly OK if the computers had been using power to do research on cancer.
Doubtless the admin would have got the push for that too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302582</id>
	<title>Re:$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259575740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like it costs less to keep a computer running Idle than it does to run somthing...<br>Unless it goes to sleep there is NO COST difference...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like it costs less to keep a computer running Idle than it does to run somthing...Unless it goes to sleep there is NO COST difference.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like it costs less to keep a computer running Idle than it does to run somthing...Unless it goes to sleep there is NO COST difference...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302026</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304164</id>
	<title>Re:He was fired for stealing and porn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259580900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>... downloading pornography and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... search[ing] for extraterrestrial intelligence.</i> </p><p>A good lawyer might spin that as one and the same activity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... downloading pornography and ... search [ ing ] for extraterrestrial intelligence .
A good lawyer might spin that as one and the same activity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... downloading pornography and ... search[ing] for extraterrestrial intelligence.
A good lawyer might spin that as one and the same activity.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302380</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302524</id>
	<title>Re:Tone of TFA</title>
	<author>MickyTheIdiot</author>
	<datestamp>1259575560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like the Super is your typical blowhard administrator big-fish-in-little-pond-and-I-know-EVERYTHING type.  There is a lot of THAT about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like the Super is your typical blowhard administrator big-fish-in-little-pond-and-I-know-EVERYTHING type .
There is a lot of THAT about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like the Super is your typical blowhard administrator big-fish-in-little-pond-and-I-know-EVERYTHING type.
There is a lot of THAT about.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302190</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302592</id>
	<title>Ethical failing on his part.</title>
	<author>bareman</author>
	<datestamp>1259575800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The computers (and their software configuration) were not his to do with as he pleased.   He somehow thought his cause merited the theft (in 5000 small instances) of resources.  His lack of good judgment there leads me to not be surprised that he also may have taken school equipment home (stolen) for his own uses.  The latter act probably the one leading to his resignation and possible charges.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The computers ( and their software configuration ) were not his to do with as he pleased .
He somehow thought his cause merited the theft ( in 5000 small instances ) of resources .
His lack of good judgment there leads me to not be surprised that he also may have taken school equipment home ( stolen ) for his own uses .
The latter act probably the one leading to his resignation and possible charges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The computers (and their software configuration) were not his to do with as he pleased.
He somehow thought his cause merited the theft (in 5000 small instances) of resources.
His lack of good judgment there leads me to not be surprised that he also may have taken school equipment home (stolen) for his own uses.
The latter act probably the one leading to his resignation and possible charges.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308568</id>
	<title>Re:He also had equipment from the school at his ho</title>
	<author>YourExperiment</author>
	<datestamp>1259835840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's alright for you surfing the web on a typewriter, this sort of thing isn't an issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's alright for you surfing the web on a typewriter , this sort of thing is n't an issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's alright for you surfing the web on a typewriter, this sort of thing isn't an issue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302124</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302206</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>bzzfzz</author>
	<datestamp>1259574720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>
40 watts x 24 hours x 365 days x 10 years x 5000 machines x $.06<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/kwh = $1,051,200</htmltext>
<tokenext>40 watts x 24 hours x 365 days x 10 years x 5000 machines x $ .06 /kwh = $ 1,051,200</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
40 watts x 24 hours x 365 days x 10 years x 5000 machines x $.06 /kwh = $1,051,200</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302076</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30305846</id>
	<title>Re:He also had equipment from the school at his ho</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259587920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <tt>I heard this story on NPR this morning.</tt></p><p><tt>He probably shouldn't simply be installing software that isn't essential to his work function on machines that he does not own.</tt></p><p><tt>I also heard on NPR that they found lots of equipment that belonged to the school at his residence. The criminal charges probably stem from that and not just for installing SETI@Home (haven't read the TFA so just speculating).</tt></p> </div><p>Right. I'm sure not a single other school staff person has a single item belonging to said school at their residence. Fucking niggers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard this story on NPR this morning.He probably should n't simply be installing software that is n't essential to his work function on machines that he does not own.I also heard on NPR that they found lots of equipment that belonged to the school at his residence .
The criminal charges probably stem from that and not just for installing SETI @ Home ( have n't read the TFA so just speculating ) .
Right. I 'm sure not a single other school staff person has a single item belonging to said school at their residence .
Fucking niggers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I heard this story on NPR this morning.He probably shouldn't simply be installing software that isn't essential to his work function on machines that he does not own.I also heard on NPR that they found lots of equipment that belonged to the school at his residence.
The criminal charges probably stem from that and not just for installing SETI@Home (haven't read the TFA so just speculating).
Right. I'm sure not a single other school staff person has a single item belonging to said school at their residence.
Fucking niggers.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302124</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302832</id>
	<title>Re:Love how they make it sound like a sci-fi novel</title>
	<author>eln</author>
	<datestamp>1259576640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There's no way he could possibly have committed an offense worse than using some variation of the phrase "alien seeking" that many times in a serious news article.</p></div><p>There's a strong possibility that the reporter was in high school in this district while this was going on.  Further, the school district probably could not afford enough thesauruses (thesauri?) to meet their needs because they were spending all of their money keeping up with the power bill, meaning the reporter might have gone years without access to any synonyms at all, to say nothing of the total lack of antonyms.  Thus, this guy's actions may have directly led to the overuse of a single phrase in this news article, which contributed to its painful unreadability.  How can you say that's not a heinous offense?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no way he could possibly have committed an offense worse than using some variation of the phrase " alien seeking " that many times in a serious news article.There 's a strong possibility that the reporter was in high school in this district while this was going on .
Further , the school district probably could not afford enough thesauruses ( thesauri ?
) to meet their needs because they were spending all of their money keeping up with the power bill , meaning the reporter might have gone years without access to any synonyms at all , to say nothing of the total lack of antonyms .
Thus , this guy 's actions may have directly led to the overuse of a single phrase in this news article , which contributed to its painful unreadability .
How can you say that 's not a heinous offense ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no way he could possibly have committed an offense worse than using some variation of the phrase "alien seeking" that many times in a serious news article.There's a strong possibility that the reporter was in high school in this district while this was going on.
Further, the school district probably could not afford enough thesauruses (thesauri?
) to meet their needs because they were spending all of their money keeping up with the power bill, meaning the reporter might have gone years without access to any synonyms at all, to say nothing of the total lack of antonyms.
Thus, this guy's actions may have directly led to the overuse of a single phrase in this news article, which contributed to its painful unreadability.
How can you say that's not a heinous offense?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302086</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304456</id>
	<title>Re:AUP?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259581920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who knows, maybe ET will be able to help us cure diseases while curing diseases will not help us find ET.</p></div><p>Although... the person that finds ET may have been able to do so b/c they were saved from cancer... +1 for cancer@home!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who knows , maybe ET will be able to help us cure diseases while curing diseases will not help us find ET.Although... the person that finds ET may have been able to do so b/c they were saved from cancer... + 1 for cancer @ home !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who knows, maybe ET will be able to help us cure diseases while curing diseases will not help us find ET.Although... the person that finds ET may have been able to do so b/c they were saved from cancer... +1 for cancer@home!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302254</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306464</id>
	<title>Re:Oops</title>
	<author>Your.Master</author>
	<datestamp>1259592540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could still be a problem if it's booting everything out of cache.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could still be a problem if it 's booting everything out of cache .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could still be a problem if it's booting everything out of cache.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302256</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304866</id>
	<title>Re:Ten years to find it on 5,000 computers?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259583360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wrong. Any sufficiently large organization would be the same. Not just the guv'mint.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong .
Any sufficiently large organization would be the same .
Not just the guv'mint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong.
Any sufficiently large organization would be the same.
Not just the guv'mint.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303302</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1259577960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you assume there was a district policy to shut down at night, which most districts around here insist you reboot only, and NOT power off, so that patches can be installed at night, and systems can be imaged.</p><p>You assume 24 hours a day/168 per week (but there in use 40-50 hours a week by teachers and students and SETI is not running then).</p><p>You further assume these machines, even if left on, supported, and had enabled idle sleep functions in the CPU, without which on and idle uses no less poewr than on and working aside from 4-5 watts to keep the HDD spinning...  with machines from 2003, its not likely these sleep states were enabled.</p><p>You yet still assume the machines were not on a scheduled power off rotation.  My computers I ran SETI on only ran SETI when I had them on.  They were off at night (and shutdown automatically if I didn't override it)...  Quite possibly, they only ran SETI once a student or teacher powered them on, and then only when idle with a screen saver enabled (the default and most common SETI configuration.</p><p>If he in fact did have SETI set to idle using some CPU all day, including when in use, then yes, he impacted users and slowed work.  unlikey he'd have done that for years on end on multiple thousand machines without complaints piling up much sooner.</p><p>This guy was doing this for 9 years!  he was obviously fairly careful, and certainly a LOT of people knew about this...  I'm certain his firing has nothing to do with SETI, that's just the excuse they're using to avoid wrongful termination...  The treat of charges is likely only to ensure he does not counter sue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you assume there was a district policy to shut down at night , which most districts around here insist you reboot only , and NOT power off , so that patches can be installed at night , and systems can be imaged.You assume 24 hours a day/168 per week ( but there in use 40-50 hours a week by teachers and students and SETI is not running then ) .You further assume these machines , even if left on , supported , and had enabled idle sleep functions in the CPU , without which on and idle uses no less poewr than on and working aside from 4-5 watts to keep the HDD spinning... with machines from 2003 , its not likely these sleep states were enabled.You yet still assume the machines were not on a scheduled power off rotation .
My computers I ran SETI on only ran SETI when I had them on .
They were off at night ( and shutdown automatically if I did n't override it ) ... Quite possibly , they only ran SETI once a student or teacher powered them on , and then only when idle with a screen saver enabled ( the default and most common SETI configuration.If he in fact did have SETI set to idle using some CPU all day , including when in use , then yes , he impacted users and slowed work .
unlikey he 'd have done that for years on end on multiple thousand machines without complaints piling up much sooner.This guy was doing this for 9 years !
he was obviously fairly careful , and certainly a LOT of people knew about this... I 'm certain his firing has nothing to do with SETI , that 's just the excuse they 're using to avoid wrongful termination... The treat of charges is likely only to ensure he does not counter sue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you assume there was a district policy to shut down at night, which most districts around here insist you reboot only, and NOT power off, so that patches can be installed at night, and systems can be imaged.You assume 24 hours a day/168 per week (but there in use 40-50 hours a week by teachers and students and SETI is not running then).You further assume these machines, even if left on, supported, and had enabled idle sleep functions in the CPU, without which on and idle uses no less poewr than on and working aside from 4-5 watts to keep the HDD spinning...  with machines from 2003, its not likely these sleep states were enabled.You yet still assume the machines were not on a scheduled power off rotation.
My computers I ran SETI on only ran SETI when I had them on.
They were off at night (and shutdown automatically if I didn't override it)...  Quite possibly, they only ran SETI once a student or teacher powered them on, and then only when idle with a screen saver enabled (the default and most common SETI configuration.If he in fact did have SETI set to idle using some CPU all day, including when in use, then yes, he impacted users and slowed work.
unlikey he'd have done that for years on end on multiple thousand machines without complaints piling up much sooner.This guy was doing this for 9 years!
he was obviously fairly careful, and certainly a LOT of people knew about this...  I'm certain his firing has nothing to do with SETI, that's just the excuse they're using to avoid wrongful termination...  The treat of charges is likely only to ensure he does not counter sue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306724</id>
	<title>STI</title>
	<author>macdaddy357</author>
	<datestamp>1259594640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I propose that SETI be re-purposed into STI, the search for terrestrial intelligence. The only downside is that it probably won't find much either. It sure wouldn't find this guy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I propose that SETI be re-purposed into STI , the search for terrestrial intelligence .
The only downside is that it probably wo n't find much either .
It sure would n't find this guy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I propose that SETI be re-purposed into STI, the search for terrestrial intelligence.
The only downside is that it probably won't find much either.
It sure wouldn't find this guy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302140</id>
	<title>Ten years to find it on 5,000 computers?</title>
	<author>bzzfzz</author>
	<datestamp>1259574540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30316072</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1259834460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except I'm pretty sure he hasn't had 5000 computers attached to the project for the full 10 years.  You don't just go out and buy 5,000 computers in one sitting, especially if you're a school district on a budget, so the number must have scaled some degree to reach that point, even assuming it plateaued at some point in the past few years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except I 'm pretty sure he has n't had 5000 computers attached to the project for the full 10 years .
You do n't just go out and buy 5,000 computers in one sitting , especially if you 're a school district on a budget , so the number must have scaled some degree to reach that point , even assuming it plateaued at some point in the past few years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except I'm pretty sure he hasn't had 5000 computers attached to the project for the full 10 years.
You don't just go out and buy 5,000 computers in one sitting, especially if you're a school district on a budget, so the number must have scaled some degree to reach that point, even assuming it plateaued at some point in the past few years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302304</id>
	<title>Re:But how is it a crime?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259574960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You simply can't use the equipment of your employer for your personal benefit without permission. And yes, scale matters. If I order pizza and my employer has to pay the phone bill, it may be against the rules, but I think most employers wouldn't care. Now, if I take my employers helicopter to fetch the pizza myself...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You simply ca n't use the equipment of your employer for your personal benefit without permission .
And yes , scale matters .
If I order pizza and my employer has to pay the phone bill , it may be against the rules , but I think most employers would n't care .
Now , if I take my employers helicopter to fetch the pizza myself.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You simply can't use the equipment of your employer for your personal benefit without permission.
And yes, scale matters.
If I order pizza and my employer has to pay the phone bill, it may be against the rules, but I think most employers wouldn't care.
Now, if I take my employers helicopter to fetch the pizza myself...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304280</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>FriendlyPrimate</author>
	<datestamp>1259581260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well...I was going to say that this cost might be irrelevant.  If the school was in a northern climate that was using electricity to heat the building, then that money would have ended up going to the heating bill instead.<br>
<br>
Then I read it was in Arizona.  Oops... double whammy if you include the added cooling costs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well...I was going to say that this cost might be irrelevant .
If the school was in a northern climate that was using electricity to heat the building , then that money would have ended up going to the heating bill instead .
Then I read it was in Arizona .
Oops... double whammy if you include the added cooling costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well...I was going to say that this cost might be irrelevant.
If the school was in a northern climate that was using electricity to heat the building, then that money would have ended up going to the heating bill instead.
Then I read it was in Arizona.
Oops... double whammy if you include the added cooling costs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304212</id>
	<title>Re:baaaaloney</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1259581020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The software is designed to run at the lowest priority, idle. It takes up 16-50MB of RAM while running. Given that most school labs only run web browsers, office applications, and low-quality educational games, I doubt the systems were running out of memory. Antivirus apps take up a lot more than that, as to most web browsers. So on the charge of "slowing down education programs in every classroom" -- no.</p></div></blockquote><p>In <i>theory</i> the BOINC software and the SETI@Home application take up minimal resources (memory and CPU) while the computer is actually in use.  In <i>practice</i> it's very, very buggy and ill behaved - with memory leaks and a tendency to decide it wants those resources anyhow.  Thus I have no problem believing it slowed down every computer, because that's exactly why I eventually uninstalled BOINC on my home machines.  Over time, it had gotten buggier and more ill behaved.<br>
&nbsp; </p><blockquote><div><p>Regarding computer replacement parts -- not really. Those machines are going to sit there no matter what, and they will fail at the same rates regardless of what software is running on them. OTOH, if they were running 24/7 and that was being done only so SETI@Home could run, then yes -- replacement costs of fans and harddrives would have gone up.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yup.  Since uninstalling BOINC, my fans run much less often and hard drives don't go into 'churning fits'.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The software is designed to run at the lowest priority , idle .
It takes up 16-50MB of RAM while running .
Given that most school labs only run web browsers , office applications , and low-quality educational games , I doubt the systems were running out of memory .
Antivirus apps take up a lot more than that , as to most web browsers .
So on the charge of " slowing down education programs in every classroom " -- no.In theory the BOINC software and the SETI @ Home application take up minimal resources ( memory and CPU ) while the computer is actually in use .
In practice it 's very , very buggy and ill behaved - with memory leaks and a tendency to decide it wants those resources anyhow .
Thus I have no problem believing it slowed down every computer , because that 's exactly why I eventually uninstalled BOINC on my home machines .
Over time , it had gotten buggier and more ill behaved .
  Regarding computer replacement parts -- not really .
Those machines are going to sit there no matter what , and they will fail at the same rates regardless of what software is running on them .
OTOH , if they were running 24/7 and that was being done only so SETI @ Home could run , then yes -- replacement costs of fans and harddrives would have gone up.Yup .
Since uninstalling BOINC , my fans run much less often and hard drives do n't go into 'churning fits' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The software is designed to run at the lowest priority, idle.
It takes up 16-50MB of RAM while running.
Given that most school labs only run web browsers, office applications, and low-quality educational games, I doubt the systems were running out of memory.
Antivirus apps take up a lot more than that, as to most web browsers.
So on the charge of "slowing down education programs in every classroom" -- no.In theory the BOINC software and the SETI@Home application take up minimal resources (memory and CPU) while the computer is actually in use.
In practice it's very, very buggy and ill behaved - with memory leaks and a tendency to decide it wants those resources anyhow.
Thus I have no problem believing it slowed down every computer, because that's exactly why I eventually uninstalled BOINC on my home machines.
Over time, it had gotten buggier and more ill behaved.
  Regarding computer replacement parts -- not really.
Those machines are going to sit there no matter what, and they will fail at the same rates regardless of what software is running on them.
OTOH, if they were running 24/7 and that was being done only so SETI@Home could run, then yes -- replacement costs of fans and harddrives would have gone up.Yup.
Since uninstalling BOINC, my fans run much less often and hard drives don't go into 'churning fits'.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302270</id>
	<title>Re:Oops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259574900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I also did the same thing with rosetta@home</p><p>Coming from Linux and OSX i always thought that low priority processes couldn't slow down the system too much and i was right.  It works good on my Mac and on my servers. I never notice the program is crunching.</p><p>On Windows it's another story.   Those multiple cores machines at work became very slow.  Even if you restrict the rosetta to one core it will manage to slow the system considerably.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I also did the same thing with rosetta @ homeComing from Linux and OSX i always thought that low priority processes could n't slow down the system too much and i was right .
It works good on my Mac and on my servers .
I never notice the program is crunching.On Windows it 's another story .
Those multiple cores machines at work became very slow .
Even if you restrict the rosetta to one core it will manage to slow the system considerably .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also did the same thing with rosetta@homeComing from Linux and OSX i always thought that low priority processes couldn't slow down the system too much and i was right.
It works good on my Mac and on my servers.
I never notice the program is crunching.On Windows it's another story.
Those multiple cores machines at work became very slow.
Even if you restrict the rosetta to one core it will manage to slow the system considerably.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302150</id>
	<title>Fucking dickhead</title>
	<author>ringbarer</author>
	<datestamp>1259574540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's Seti@HOME, not Seti@WHEREVERTHEFUCKIFEELLIKEINSTALLINGIT.</p><p>Especially not somewhere that's funded by public money.  I don't pay my taxes to waste them on looking for spacemen.</p><p>Wake up people!  We're alone and adrift in a godless universe, and no amount of "I want to believe" is going to change that.</p><p>We're an anomaly.  A bunch of selfish amino acids and various meats bagged up in fatty tissue.  There's no aliens.  There's only us.</p><p>And we can't even get THAT right.</p><p>This fucker deserves to be anally raped for the time and effort he's wasted.<br>Throw him on the pedo list too - He fits the demographic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's Seti @ HOME , not Seti @ WHEREVERTHEFUCKIFEELLIKEINSTALLINGIT.Especially not somewhere that 's funded by public money .
I do n't pay my taxes to waste them on looking for spacemen.Wake up people !
We 're alone and adrift in a godless universe , and no amount of " I want to believe " is going to change that.We 're an anomaly .
A bunch of selfish amino acids and various meats bagged up in fatty tissue .
There 's no aliens .
There 's only us.And we ca n't even get THAT right.This fucker deserves to be anally raped for the time and effort he 's wasted.Throw him on the pedo list too - He fits the demographic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's Seti@HOME, not Seti@WHEREVERTHEFUCKIFEELLIKEINSTALLINGIT.Especially not somewhere that's funded by public money.
I don't pay my taxes to waste them on looking for spacemen.Wake up people!
We're alone and adrift in a godless universe, and no amount of "I want to believe" is going to change that.We're an anomaly.
A bunch of selfish amino acids and various meats bagged up in fatty tissue.
There's no aliens.
There's only us.And we can't even get THAT right.This fucker deserves to be anally raped for the time and effort he's wasted.Throw him on the pedo list too - He fits the demographic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306164</id>
	<title>obligatory</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259590080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it is called SETI@HOME and not SETI@WORK, doah!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it is called SETI @ HOME and not SETI @ WORK , doah !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it is called SETI@HOME and not SETI@WORK, doah!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302188</id>
	<title>A million $</title>
	<author>richardkelleher</author>
	<datestamp>1259574660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Only 5000 machines and they want to pay $1000000 to uninstall the software.  Good grief, I'll do it for 3/4ths of that, maybe even a half! Hell, I'll even pay my on airfare!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only 5000 machines and they want to pay $ 1000000 to uninstall the software .
Good grief , I 'll do it for 3/4ths of that , maybe even a half !
Hell , I 'll even pay my on airfare !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only 5000 machines and they want to pay $1000000 to uninstall the software.
Good grief, I'll do it for 3/4ths of that, maybe even a half!
Hell, I'll even pay my on airfare!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30322266</id>
	<title>Re:baaaaloney</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259926740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think *that's* the electricity issue they were talking about.  AFAIK, SETI@Home has never kept a computer from going to standby, and another poster mentioned that the school's policy is to leave them on 24/7 anyway.</p><p>But most CPUs sitting idle drop their core speed by half, drop their voltage by a considerable amount, and produce a lot less heat.  But running SET@Home causes the core to constantly run at 100\% (unless you allocate less, but I doubt this guy did), which means the processors are consuming more power and running hotter, which means the fans draw more power and the school's AC has to work harder.</p><p>It's too late for me to be doing math right now, but let's say SETI causes each computer to use 50\% more power throughout the day than it otherwise would... that would be equal to your computations, if you'd allocated 8 hours per day to SETI instead of 16.  Still a sizeable amount.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think * that 's * the electricity issue they were talking about .
AFAIK , SETI @ Home has never kept a computer from going to standby , and another poster mentioned that the school 's policy is to leave them on 24/7 anyway.But most CPUs sitting idle drop their core speed by half , drop their voltage by a considerable amount , and produce a lot less heat .
But running SET @ Home causes the core to constantly run at 100 \ % ( unless you allocate less , but I doubt this guy did ) , which means the processors are consuming more power and running hotter , which means the fans draw more power and the school 's AC has to work harder.It 's too late for me to be doing math right now , but let 's say SETI causes each computer to use 50 \ % more power throughout the day than it otherwise would... that would be equal to your computations , if you 'd allocated 8 hours per day to SETI instead of 16 .
Still a sizeable amount .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think *that's* the electricity issue they were talking about.
AFAIK, SETI@Home has never kept a computer from going to standby, and another poster mentioned that the school's policy is to leave them on 24/7 anyway.But most CPUs sitting idle drop their core speed by half, drop their voltage by a considerable amount, and produce a lot less heat.
But running SET@Home causes the core to constantly run at 100\% (unless you allocate less, but I doubt this guy did), which means the processors are consuming more power and running hotter, which means the fans draw more power and the school's AC has to work harder.It's too late for me to be doing math right now, but let's say SETI causes each computer to use 50\% more power throughout the day than it otherwise would... that would be equal to your computations, if you'd allocated 8 hours per day to SETI instead of 16.
Still a sizeable amount.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30313702</id>
	<title>Re:baaaaloney</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1259868180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know how WUs translate to points, but his stats are <a href="http://boincstats.com/stats/user\_graph.php?pr=sah&amp;id=22" title="boincstats.com">here</a> [boincstats.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know how WUs translate to points , but his stats are here [ boincstats.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know how WUs translate to points, but his stats are here [boincstats.com].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303258</id>
	<title>Happy ending</title>
	<author>paiute</author>
	<datestamp>1259577840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Turns out the guy was an alien, just trying to call for pickup. James Cameron just inked him to a $1 million deal for the story. He will be portrayed by Justin Long, with Bruce Willis as the Gilbert chief of police, Meryl Streep as Denise Birdwell, and Monica Potter as the wife.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Turns out the guy was an alien , just trying to call for pickup .
James Cameron just inked him to a $ 1 million deal for the story .
He will be portrayed by Justin Long , with Bruce Willis as the Gilbert chief of police , Meryl Streep as Denise Birdwell , and Monica Potter as the wife .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turns out the guy was an alien, just trying to call for pickup.
James Cameron just inked him to a $1 million deal for the story.
He will be portrayed by Justin Long, with Bruce Willis as the Gilbert chief of police, Meryl Streep as Denise Birdwell, and Monica Potter as the wife.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302210</id>
	<title>It sounds to me...</title>
	<author>stagg</author>
	<datestamp>1259574720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It sounds to me like someone who understood nothing of the tech involved stepped in to squash what looked like some sort of unauthorized activity on their computers. Not understanding it they overreacted and are crushing the poor guy.
The whole article is absurd, it makes it sound like he's actually done something wrong... really this is the equivalent of forgetting to configure the hibernate mode or something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It sounds to me like someone who understood nothing of the tech involved stepped in to squash what looked like some sort of unauthorized activity on their computers .
Not understanding it they overreacted and are crushing the poor guy .
The whole article is absurd , it makes it sound like he 's actually done something wrong... really this is the equivalent of forgetting to configure the hibernate mode or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sounds to me like someone who understood nothing of the tech involved stepped in to squash what looked like some sort of unauthorized activity on their computers.
Not understanding it they overreacted and are crushing the poor guy.
The whole article is absurd, it makes it sound like he's actually done something wrong... really this is the equivalent of forgetting to configure the hibernate mode or something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303104</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>MiniMike</author>
	<datestamp>1259577480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also include the additional cooling costs, probably not offset by any reduced heating costs as it's in Arizona.  The article mentions wear costs on the computers.
But also note that most of the computers are probably older (school district), and would not have frequency throttling available, so the difference in power usage is less than for a new pc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also include the additional cooling costs , probably not offset by any reduced heating costs as it 's in Arizona .
The article mentions wear costs on the computers .
But also note that most of the computers are probably older ( school district ) , and would not have frequency throttling available , so the difference in power usage is less than for a new pc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also include the additional cooling costs, probably not offset by any reduced heating costs as it's in Arizona.
The article mentions wear costs on the computers.
But also note that most of the computers are probably older (school district), and would not have frequency throttling available, so the difference in power usage is less than for a new pc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302094</id>
	<title>Re:$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>Etrias</author>
	<datestamp>1259574420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I used to run SETI years ago and from what I remember, it ran as a screen saver, not as an active process.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to run SETI years ago and from what I remember , it ran as a screen saver , not as an active process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to run SETI years ago and from what I remember, it ran as a screen saver, not as an active process.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303964</id>
	<title>Re:"software slowed down educational programs"</title>
	<author>onefriedrice</author>
	<datestamp>1259580120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts."<br> <br>If the school district is trying to make something up to charge him with theft of government resources, I think the increased electricity expense would be a better bet.</p></div><p>What do you think "added utility fees" means?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $ 1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts .
" If the school district is trying to make something up to charge him with theft of government resources , I think the increased electricity expense would be a better bet.What do you think " added utility fees " means ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts.
" If the school district is trying to make something up to charge him with theft of government resources, I think the increased electricity expense would be a better bet.What do you think "added utility fees" means?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303584</id>
	<title>Re:Unnoticed... really?</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1259578860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>So no one noticed a 5000 x ~150 ~= 750 MW of usage? Over 10 years?</p></div> </blockquote><p>Since the district claims (see the last three paragraphs <a href="http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147847" title="eastvalleytribune.com">here</a> [eastvalleytribune.com]) that the problem came to the attention of a previous administrator, who ordered Niesluchowski to remove the software and whom Niescluchowski then assured that the software had been removed, the issue is not that no one noticed the problem.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So no one noticed a 5000 x ~ 150 ~ = 750 MW of usage ?
Over 10 years ?
Since the district claims ( see the last three paragraphs here [ eastvalleytribune.com ] ) that the problem came to the attention of a previous administrator , who ordered Niesluchowski to remove the software and whom Niescluchowski then assured that the software had been removed , the issue is not that no one noticed the problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So no one noticed a 5000 x ~150 ~= 750 MW of usage?
Over 10 years?
Since the district claims (see the last three paragraphs here [eastvalleytribune.com]) that the problem came to the attention of a previous administrator, who ordered Niesluchowski to remove the software and whom Niescluchowski then assured that the software had been removed, the issue is not that no one noticed the problem.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302976</id>
	<title>Re:bad move by school district</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259577120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree about being proud, however, with tight budgets there should be a factor of the additional cost of running these programs. But I don't laugh at SETI and I happen to like the drudge report and Sarah Palin, I could say there are as many cretan who like Obama as there are that like Sarah Palin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree about being proud , however , with tight budgets there should be a factor of the additional cost of running these programs .
But I do n't laugh at SETI and I happen to like the drudge report and Sarah Palin , I could say there are as many cretan who like Obama as there are that like Sarah Palin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree about being proud, however, with tight budgets there should be a factor of the additional cost of running these programs.
But I don't laugh at SETI and I happen to like the drudge report and Sarah Palin, I could say there are as many cretan who like Obama as there are that like Sarah Palin.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304400</id>
	<title>DC Stuck between Bread and Extraterestial Life...</title>
	<author>itedo</author>
	<datestamp>1259581740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LHC@home seems more promising to find \_ANYTHING\_ (the "God-Particle" as said in the media, but hey - it's a GOD-Particle) but it's being compromised by notorious Bread attacks from the future...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p>The Kebap i ate later this day is a proof that there must be an extraterrestrial intelligence - I'm really sorry for the Distributed Computing based projects<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LHC @ home seems more promising to find \ _ANYTHING \ _ ( the " God-Particle " as said in the media , but hey - it 's a GOD-Particle ) but it 's being compromised by notorious Bread attacks from the future... ; - ) The Kebap i ate later this day is a proof that there must be an extraterrestrial intelligence - I 'm really sorry for the Distributed Computing based projects ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LHC@home seems more promising to find \_ANYTHING\_ (the "God-Particle" as said in the media, but hey - it's a GOD-Particle) but it's being compromised by notorious Bread attacks from the future... ;-)The Kebap i ate later this day is a proof that there must be an extraterrestrial intelligence - I'm really sorry for the Distributed Computing based projects ;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302904</id>
	<title>Re:Over the course of 10 years</title>
	<author>SarekOfVulcan</author>
	<datestamp>1259576880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"12 months a year, every day of the school year"?</p><p>*waits expectantly*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" 12 months a year , every day of the school year " ?
* waits expectantly *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"12 months a year, every day of the school year"?
*waits expectantly*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306778</id>
	<title>Re:Commendable...</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1259595000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>You should probably re-read your article, because you forgot some things, like:- Taking computer equipment home (at least 18 computers and other equipment for personal use)- Downloading pornography- Inhibiting the teacher's ability to do work (SETI@home)- Increasing network usage (SETI@home)- Punching holes in the firewall to allow unapproved software to run (SETI@home, massive security risk if done improperly)- Generally not doing his jobThe very article you linked to says that it was SETI@home that tipped</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should probably re-read your article , because you forgot some things , like : - Taking computer equipment home ( at least 18 computers and other equipment for personal use ) - Downloading pornography- Inhibiting the teacher 's ability to do work ( SETI @ home ) - Increasing network usage ( SETI @ home ) - Punching holes in the firewall to allow unapproved software to run ( SETI @ home , massive security risk if done improperly ) - Generally not doing his jobThe very article you linked to says that it was SETI @ home that tipped</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should probably re-read your article, because you forgot some things, like:- Taking computer equipment home (at least 18 computers and other equipment for personal use)- Downloading pornography- Inhibiting the teacher's ability to do work (SETI@home)- Increasing network usage (SETI@home)- Punching holes in the firewall to allow unapproved software to run (SETI@home, massive security risk if done improperly)- Generally not doing his jobThe very article you linked to says that it was SETI@home that tipped</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30307464</id>
	<title>Re:Oops</title>
	<author>angelbunny</author>
	<datestamp>1259602020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I could be wrong. I only speak from light personal experience but if you set the program to run at idle priority via windows (not inside the program) it really does not slow down the machine, even a single core machine. However, it will rarely run at 100\% cpu either.</p><p>What one needs to do is set the program to bootup from a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.bat file (or as a service) with<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/idle after the program path (if i remember correctly). This allows windows itself to set the program to the lowest priority. If you set the priority to low inside the program it hardly does anything at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I could be wrong .
I only speak from light personal experience but if you set the program to run at idle priority via windows ( not inside the program ) it really does not slow down the machine , even a single core machine .
However , it will rarely run at 100 \ % cpu either.What one needs to do is set the program to bootup from a .bat file ( or as a service ) with /idle after the program path ( if i remember correctly ) .
This allows windows itself to set the program to the lowest priority .
If you set the priority to low inside the program it hardly does anything at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could be wrong.
I only speak from light personal experience but if you set the program to run at idle priority via windows (not inside the program) it really does not slow down the machine, even a single core machine.
However, it will rarely run at 100\% cpu either.What one needs to do is set the program to bootup from a .bat file (or as a service) with /idle after the program path (if i remember correctly).
This allows windows itself to set the program to the lowest priority.
If you set the priority to low inside the program it hardly does anything at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303422</id>
	<title>They've had the same PC's for 10 years??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259578320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They've had the same PC's for 10 years? What CPUs were they, 386's??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 've had the same PC 's for 10 years ?
What CPUs were they , 386 's ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They've had the same PC's for 10 years?
What CPUs were they, 386's?
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302390</id>
	<title>Re:He also had equipment from the school at his ho</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1259575200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TFA didn't say anything about finding school equipment at his home, just @home. Sounds like we need a better FA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA did n't say anything about finding school equipment at his home , just @ home .
Sounds like we need a better FA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA didn't say anything about finding school equipment at his home, just @home.
Sounds like we need a better FA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308094</id>
	<title>Re:He also had equipment from the school at his ho</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259870400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the end of that article:</p><p>"...had been warned in a 2005-2006 review by then-Superintendent Joyce Lutrey and then-Business Manager Fred Stone of shortcomings in his job performance."</p><p>A big problem with education right now is that it takes at least 4 years for serious problems to get addressed in even the simplest ways. Even if you gave him a full year from the time of that review, that's three years of sitting on hands by the school district. If you thought schools were behind in technology, imagine what a school district is like when their head of technology has basically been a fraud for at least 4 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the end of that article : " ...had been warned in a 2005-2006 review by then-Superintendent Joyce Lutrey and then-Business Manager Fred Stone of shortcomings in his job performance .
" A big problem with education right now is that it takes at least 4 years for serious problems to get addressed in even the simplest ways .
Even if you gave him a full year from the time of that review , that 's three years of sitting on hands by the school district .
If you thought schools were behind in technology , imagine what a school district is like when their head of technology has basically been a fraud for at least 4 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the end of that article:"...had been warned in a 2005-2006 review by then-Superintendent Joyce Lutrey and then-Business Manager Fred Stone of shortcomings in his job performance.
"A big problem with education right now is that it takes at least 4 years for serious problems to get addressed in even the simplest ways.
Even if you gave him a full year from the time of that review, that's three years of sitting on hands by the school district.
If you thought schools were behind in technology, imagine what a school district is like when their head of technology has basically been a fraud for at least 4 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30307554</id>
	<title>HAHAHAHAAAAAA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259603100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Years ago, when S@H was new, a friend who was a sysadmin at the University of Auckland's Tamaki Campus and I installed it on all of the lab PCs. For a while our "team" was in the top ten for data returns!</p><p>Then one of the most despised academics in the CS dept at the time, Peter Dobscanyi, complained because his "distributed computing development project" ("Kalaka") was being impaired, so we had to pull the plug on our fun game.</p><p>Within a week the same fucking academic was in the top ten because he'd reinstalled S@H and was using his "team name" (whatever you call it) as an advertisement for his fucking distributed computing "development project".</p><p>(Unsurprisingly, the UoA bosses were unaware he was using their resources to sell "his" software via S@H)</p><p>The S@H guys eventually made him change his "team" name name, because advertising is/was not permitted, but he still touted his arsesucking warez via their project.</p><p>In my dreams he died a long and horrible death.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Years ago , when S @ H was new , a friend who was a sysadmin at the University of Auckland 's Tamaki Campus and I installed it on all of the lab PCs .
For a while our " team " was in the top ten for data returns ! Then one of the most despised academics in the CS dept at the time , Peter Dobscanyi , complained because his " distributed computing development project " ( " Kalaka " ) was being impaired , so we had to pull the plug on our fun game.Within a week the same fucking academic was in the top ten because he 'd reinstalled S @ H and was using his " team name " ( whatever you call it ) as an advertisement for his fucking distributed computing " development project " .
( Unsurprisingly , the UoA bosses were unaware he was using their resources to sell " his " software via S @ H ) The S @ H guys eventually made him change his " team " name name , because advertising is/was not permitted , but he still touted his arsesucking warez via their project.In my dreams he died a long and horrible death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Years ago, when S@H was new, a friend who was a sysadmin at the University of Auckland's Tamaki Campus and I installed it on all of the lab PCs.
For a while our "team" was in the top ten for data returns!Then one of the most despised academics in the CS dept at the time, Peter Dobscanyi, complained because his "distributed computing development project" ("Kalaka") was being impaired, so we had to pull the plug on our fun game.Within a week the same fucking academic was in the top ten because he'd reinstalled S@H and was using his "team name" (whatever you call it) as an advertisement for his fucking distributed computing "development project".
(Unsurprisingly, the UoA bosses were unaware he was using their resources to sell "his" software via S@H)The S@H guys eventually made him change his "team" name name, because advertising is/was not permitted, but he still touted his arsesucking warez via their project.In my dreams he died a long and horrible death.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303090</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>Big Bob the Finder</author>
	<datestamp>1259577480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also note that because those computers are in an air-conditioned building (out here in the desert), that waste energy needs to be dumped out of the building for much of the year, costing additional bucks. It's a small but (over ten years) significant load on the HVAC system, ultimately paid for by taxpayers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also note that because those computers are in an air-conditioned building ( out here in the desert ) , that waste energy needs to be dumped out of the building for much of the year , costing additional bucks .
It 's a small but ( over ten years ) significant load on the HVAC system , ultimately paid for by taxpayers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also note that because those computers are in an air-conditioned building (out here in the desert), that waste energy needs to be dumped out of the building for much of the year, costing additional bucks.
It's a small but (over ten years) significant load on the HVAC system, ultimately paid for by taxpayers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302410</id>
	<title>Lots more in the newspaper</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259575260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>including accusations that he wasn't doing his job, like installing a firewall.</p><p>http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2009/12/02/20091202searchforaliens1202.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>including accusations that he was n't doing his job , like installing a firewall.http : //www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2009/12/02/20091202searchforaliens1202.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>including accusations that he wasn't doing his job, like installing a firewall.http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2009/12/02/20091202searchforaliens1202.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303262</id>
	<title>Re:Some figures don't quite add up...</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1259577840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>As others have pointed out, it sounds like a reasonable estimate for the additional electricity used to run 5000 computers for 10 years when they normally would have been in sleep or suspend mode. But really, I think the $1 million is the price some "consultant" quoted to remove SETI@home from all the district's computers -- which brings up the question: wouldn't it be cheaper to just leave it running on the old computers until they fail, then replace them with new computers without it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>As others have pointed out , it sounds like a reasonable estimate for the additional electricity used to run 5000 computers for 10 years when they normally would have been in sleep or suspend mode .
But really , I think the $ 1 million is the price some " consultant " quoted to remove SETI @ home from all the district 's computers -- which brings up the question : would n't it be cheaper to just leave it running on the old computers until they fail , then replace them with new computers without it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As others have pointed out, it sounds like a reasonable estimate for the additional electricity used to run 5000 computers for 10 years when they normally would have been in sleep or suspend mode.
But really, I think the $1 million is the price some "consultant" quoted to remove SETI@home from all the district's computers -- which brings up the question: wouldn't it be cheaper to just leave it running on the old computers until they fail, then replace them with new computers without it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302350</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30305200</id>
	<title>Re:$5/machine? Depends on the machine...</title>
	<author>Jarik C-Bol</author>
	<datestamp>1259584860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>personally, i'd rather waste my processor cycles and electricity on folding@home, maybe find a cure for cancer. which i think would be far more useful than finding *evidence* of aliens.</htmltext>
<tokenext>personally , i 'd rather waste my processor cycles and electricity on folding @ home , maybe find a cure for cancer .
which i think would be far more useful than finding * evidence * of aliens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>personally, i'd rather waste my processor cycles and electricity on folding@home, maybe find a cure for cancer.
which i think would be far more useful than finding *evidence* of aliens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302146</id>
	<title>1 million in damage?</title>
	<author>L3370</author>
	<datestamp>1259574540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Weren't his computer so it was a bad choice on his part. <br> <br>
now if there was in fact authorization from prior administration, ok...just correct the problem.<br> <br>
As for the $1 million in lost money, I'd like to see how they came up with that estimate. Yes proccessing power and productivity may have been affected, but its not like 5000 machines where being utilized 100\% 24/7 in the first place.  And I fail to see how replacement parts, as reported in the article, factor into this number at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Were n't his computer so it was a bad choice on his part .
now if there was in fact authorization from prior administration , ok...just correct the problem .
As for the $ 1 million in lost money , I 'd like to see how they came up with that estimate .
Yes proccessing power and productivity may have been affected , but its not like 5000 machines where being utilized 100 \ % 24/7 in the first place .
And I fail to see how replacement parts , as reported in the article , factor into this number at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Weren't his computer so it was a bad choice on his part.
now if there was in fact authorization from prior administration, ok...just correct the problem.
As for the $1 million in lost money, I'd like to see how they came up with that estimate.
Yes proccessing power and productivity may have been affected, but its not like 5000 machines where being utilized 100\% 24/7 in the first place.
And I fail to see how replacement parts, as reported in the article, factor into this number at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302420</id>
	<title>Re:$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1259575260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, pinning equipment failures on SETI is a stretch.  But $1000000 for power consumption is not so far off the mark.  SETI estimates $5/month/computer.  If he's been doing it for 9 years, 12 months a year, at that rate it would require 1851 computers to reach $1M. IIRC, this guy was in charge of about 5000 computers. It adds up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , pinning equipment failures on SETI is a stretch .
But $ 1000000 for power consumption is not so far off the mark .
SETI estimates $ 5/month/computer .
If he 's been doing it for 9 years , 12 months a year , at that rate it would require 1851 computers to reach $ 1M .
IIRC , this guy was in charge of about 5000 computers .
It adds up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, pinning equipment failures on SETI is a stretch.
But $1000000 for power consumption is not so far off the mark.
SETI estimates $5/month/computer.
If he's been doing it for 9 years, 12 months a year, at that rate it would require 1851 computers to reach $1M.
IIRC, this guy was in charge of about 5000 computers.
It adds up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302616</id>
	<title>Re:He also had equipment from the school at his ho</title>
	<author>TomXP411</author>
	<datestamp>1259575860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The other article linked here really should be in the story: <a href="http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/11/30/20091130searchforaliens1202.html" title="azcentral.com" rel="nofollow">Higley firing tied to alien-search software</a> [azcentral.com]. This one makes it pretty clear that the guy was fired because he's a bad employee and a lousy manager, not because he wants to find aliens.</p><p>Quite frankly, it's a little annoying that the OP's story only mentions "ET". That's irresponsible reporting, and it's why newspapers are folding all over the country; when your reporters can't even write a proper, coherent, unbiased story, people go elsewhere for their news.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The other article linked here really should be in the story : Higley firing tied to alien-search software [ azcentral.com ] .
This one makes it pretty clear that the guy was fired because he 's a bad employee and a lousy manager , not because he wants to find aliens.Quite frankly , it 's a little annoying that the OP 's story only mentions " ET " .
That 's irresponsible reporting , and it 's why newspapers are folding all over the country ; when your reporters ca n't even write a proper , coherent , unbiased story , people go elsewhere for their news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The other article linked here really should be in the story: Higley firing tied to alien-search software [azcentral.com].
This one makes it pretty clear that the guy was fired because he's a bad employee and a lousy manager, not because he wants to find aliens.Quite frankly, it's a little annoying that the OP's story only mentions "ET".
That's irresponsible reporting, and it's why newspapers are folding all over the country; when your reporters can't even write a proper, coherent, unbiased story, people go elsewhere for their news.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303372</id>
	<title>Sounds like over-reaction to me</title>
	<author>SwedishChef</author>
	<datestamp>1259578200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know all the details of this but a decade or so ago I was a (volunteer) administrator of the IT system at our local rural school district. Sometimes I'd take computers home to install software so I could play with the kids while the software installed instead of sitting on my ass (for free) at the (empty) school and do it. Besides, they locked the schools up and wouldn't give me a key.</p><p>I discovered that the kids could find porn so used a proxy and some regexp filters to try to keep porn at bay. But it turned out that the kids could find porn faster than I could block it so I started grepping the logs for the seven bad words you can't say on television and then adding those sites. Then I started making headway. The HS math teacher was involved in this too. We'd see a suspicious site in the log, check the site for content and if it was porn we'd block it using a regexp expression. Simple and cheap.</p><p>But that took time... so I'd add them at home remotely (everything, including the routers, was on Linux boxes that I built and installed) but the teacher who was helping was observed after working hours going through thi process. Unfortunately the person watching thought the teacher was surfing porn (instead of checking sites for content) and turned him in. Quite the brouhaha. One parent was incensed that we used the students to "find porn". Good grief!!!</p><p>That incident very nearly cost the teacher his job but I attended the school board meeting that addressed the issue and explained what we were doing and why (no money in the budget for servers, software, etc.). The teacher kept his job and we got to buy some blocking software to work with the proxy and I didn't have to spend an hour every night checking logs. One problem solved.</p><p>The administrator in this particular case probably faced some of the same issues as I did. So they found school property at his house (they would have at mine too) and are investigating him for downloading porn (they would have probably done the same to me). I think getting the cops after him was overkill.</p><p>$1M in expenses for running SETI is ridiculous. However according to the newspaper report from his home town he was instructed by a former school district administrator to remove the software and did not. Of course, that admin might just be trying to cover his own ass. But at least someone knew SETI was on those boxes prior to the new Superintendent taking office.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know all the details of this but a decade or so ago I was a ( volunteer ) administrator of the IT system at our local rural school district .
Sometimes I 'd take computers home to install software so I could play with the kids while the software installed instead of sitting on my ass ( for free ) at the ( empty ) school and do it .
Besides , they locked the schools up and would n't give me a key.I discovered that the kids could find porn so used a proxy and some regexp filters to try to keep porn at bay .
But it turned out that the kids could find porn faster than I could block it so I started grepping the logs for the seven bad words you ca n't say on television and then adding those sites .
Then I started making headway .
The HS math teacher was involved in this too .
We 'd see a suspicious site in the log , check the site for content and if it was porn we 'd block it using a regexp expression .
Simple and cheap.But that took time... so I 'd add them at home remotely ( everything , including the routers , was on Linux boxes that I built and installed ) but the teacher who was helping was observed after working hours going through thi process .
Unfortunately the person watching thought the teacher was surfing porn ( instead of checking sites for content ) and turned him in .
Quite the brouhaha .
One parent was incensed that we used the students to " find porn " .
Good grief ! !
! That incident very nearly cost the teacher his job but I attended the school board meeting that addressed the issue and explained what we were doing and why ( no money in the budget for servers , software , etc. ) .
The teacher kept his job and we got to buy some blocking software to work with the proxy and I did n't have to spend an hour every night checking logs .
One problem solved.The administrator in this particular case probably faced some of the same issues as I did .
So they found school property at his house ( they would have at mine too ) and are investigating him for downloading porn ( they would have probably done the same to me ) .
I think getting the cops after him was overkill. $ 1M in expenses for running SETI is ridiculous .
However according to the newspaper report from his home town he was instructed by a former school district administrator to remove the software and did not .
Of course , that admin might just be trying to cover his own ass .
But at least someone knew SETI was on those boxes prior to the new Superintendent taking office .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know all the details of this but a decade or so ago I was a (volunteer) administrator of the IT system at our local rural school district.
Sometimes I'd take computers home to install software so I could play with the kids while the software installed instead of sitting on my ass (for free) at the (empty) school and do it.
Besides, they locked the schools up and wouldn't give me a key.I discovered that the kids could find porn so used a proxy and some regexp filters to try to keep porn at bay.
But it turned out that the kids could find porn faster than I could block it so I started grepping the logs for the seven bad words you can't say on television and then adding those sites.
Then I started making headway.
The HS math teacher was involved in this too.
We'd see a suspicious site in the log, check the site for content and if it was porn we'd block it using a regexp expression.
Simple and cheap.But that took time... so I'd add them at home remotely (everything, including the routers, was on Linux boxes that I built and installed) but the teacher who was helping was observed after working hours going through thi process.
Unfortunately the person watching thought the teacher was surfing porn (instead of checking sites for content) and turned him in.
Quite the brouhaha.
One parent was incensed that we used the students to "find porn".
Good grief!!
!That incident very nearly cost the teacher his job but I attended the school board meeting that addressed the issue and explained what we were doing and why (no money in the budget for servers, software, etc.).
The teacher kept his job and we got to buy some blocking software to work with the proxy and I didn't have to spend an hour every night checking logs.
One problem solved.The administrator in this particular case probably faced some of the same issues as I did.
So they found school property at his house (they would have at mine too) and are investigating him for downloading porn (they would have probably done the same to me).
I think getting the cops after him was overkill.$1M in expenses for running SETI is ridiculous.
However according to the newspaper report from his home town he was instructed by a former school district administrator to remove the software and did not.
Of course, that admin might just be trying to cover his own ass.
But at least someone knew SETI was on those boxes prior to the new Superintendent taking office.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302286</id>
	<title>Re:$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259574900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>
I used to run SETI years ago and from what I remember, it ran as a screen saver, not as an active process.
</i> <br>
<br>
So are you implying that "screen savers" somehow don't use any processing power or electricity?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to run SETI years ago and from what I remember , it ran as a screen saver , not as an active process .
So are you implying that " screen savers " somehow do n't use any processing power or electricity ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I used to run SETI years ago and from what I remember, it ran as a screen saver, not as an active process.
So are you implying that "screen savers" somehow don't use any processing power or electricity?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304194</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>BeanThere</author>
	<datestamp>1259580960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You think that the number of computers the district has had has been 5000 every year since 1999? It's rather doubtful that in 1999 they didn't have only a tiny fraction of that 'back then'.</p><p>It's also incredibly doubtful that the majority of them ran anywhere remotely near 24/7.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You think that the number of computers the district has had has been 5000 every year since 1999 ?
It 's rather doubtful that in 1999 they did n't have only a tiny fraction of that 'back then'.It 's also incredibly doubtful that the majority of them ran anywhere remotely near 24/7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You think that the number of computers the district has had has been 5000 every year since 1999?
It's rather doubtful that in 1999 they didn't have only a tiny fraction of that 'back then'.It's also incredibly doubtful that the majority of them ran anywhere remotely near 24/7.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302216</id>
	<title>Cancer, but not Exobiology</title>
	<author>pz</author>
	<datestamp>1259574720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the linked article:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research," said Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell. "However, as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T."</p></div><p>So the school superintendent would apparently have been OK with the computers running 24 hours per day, 365 days per year (Denise Birdwell's interpretation of these programs work) running Folding@Home, "slow[ing] down educational programs in every classroom and cost[ing] the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts," but not SETI@Home?</p><p>Someone needs to educate Ms. Birdwell, who is presented as overly dramatic in the linked article, about how these programs work.  And how entirely appropriate it would be for local schools to donate unused computer time to running programs like these, and what a great opportunity it would have presented to the scientific education of the children in the district.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the linked article : " We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research , " said Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell .
" However , as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T .
" So the school superintendent would apparently have been OK with the computers running 24 hours per day , 365 days per year ( Denise Birdwell 's interpretation of these programs work ) running Folding @ Home , " slow [ ing ] down educational programs in every classroom and cost [ ing ] the district more than $ 1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts , " but not SETI @ Home ? Someone needs to educate Ms. Birdwell , who is presented as overly dramatic in the linked article , about how these programs work .
And how entirely appropriate it would be for local schools to donate unused computer time to running programs like these , and what a great opportunity it would have presented to the scientific education of the children in the district .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the linked article:"We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research," said Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell.
"However, as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T.
"So the school superintendent would apparently have been OK with the computers running 24 hours per day, 365 days per year (Denise Birdwell's interpretation of these programs work) running Folding@Home, "slow[ing] down educational programs in every classroom and cost[ing] the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts," but not SETI@Home?Someone needs to educate Ms. Birdwell, who is presented as overly dramatic in the linked article, about how these programs work.
And how entirely appropriate it would be for local schools to donate unused computer time to running programs like these, and what a great opportunity it would have presented to the scientific education of the children in the district.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303076</id>
	<title>Re:He also had equipment from the school at his ho</title>
	<author>Jeff DeMaagd</author>
	<datestamp>1259577420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know it's off topic, but why did you set your post to a monospaced font?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it 's off topic , but why did you set your post to a monospaced font ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it's off topic, but why did you set your post to a monospaced font?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30301998</id>
	<title>This is for GNAA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259574180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have made the first post.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have made the first post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have made the first post.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30313116</id>
	<title>Re:distributed.net key cracker - was Re:Oops</title>
	<author>LanMan04</author>
	<datestamp>1259866020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah, I remember installing the dnetc (I believe it was the RC32 challenge) on all the Macs in my highschool computer lab back in 97 or so.  Good times!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , I remember installing the dnetc ( I believe it was the RC32 challenge ) on all the Macs in my highschool computer lab back in 97 or so .
Good times !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, I remember installing the dnetc (I believe it was the RC32 challenge) on all the Macs in my highschool computer lab back in 97 or so.
Good times!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308654</id>
	<title>Add the price of cooling</title>
	<author>Kyusaku Natsume</author>
	<datestamp>1259837160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At 20w extra per machine, they would add 341200 BTU's per hour those 5k pc's. Nice on winter, awful on Arizona's spring-summer. I can't think of a worst environment to learn that a hot and noisy computer classroom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At 20w extra per machine , they would add 341200 BTU 's per hour those 5k pc 's .
Nice on winter , awful on Arizona 's spring-summer .
I ca n't think of a worst environment to learn that a hot and noisy computer classroom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At 20w extra per machine, they would add 341200 BTU's per hour those 5k pc's.
Nice on winter, awful on Arizona's spring-summer.
I can't think of a worst environment to learn that a hot and noisy computer classroom.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306630</id>
	<title>Re:SETI</title>
	<author>Randle\_Revar</author>
	<datestamp>1259593860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has nothing to do with conspiracies and everything to do with science (I support SETI, but I don't believe that aliens have visited Earth or anything. I don't even believe aliens exist, I just believe they might exist).</p><p>There isn't any reason there couldn't be aliens out there, and if there are, one of the best ways we know of to find evidence of them is to look for their radio signals (either for their own use, or that they intentionally broadcast in order to be found). SETI ran for many years from Arecibo and then from the Very Large Array. The budget was never that big, and as the amount of data that could be gathered increased and budgets decreased, they came up with SETI@Home as a way to crunch the data without spending $$$ on supercomputers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has nothing to do with conspiracies and everything to do with science ( I support SETI , but I do n't believe that aliens have visited Earth or anything .
I do n't even believe aliens exist , I just believe they might exist ) .There is n't any reason there could n't be aliens out there , and if there are , one of the best ways we know of to find evidence of them is to look for their radio signals ( either for their own use , or that they intentionally broadcast in order to be found ) .
SETI ran for many years from Arecibo and then from the Very Large Array .
The budget was never that big , and as the amount of data that could be gathered increased and budgets decreased , they came up with SETI @ Home as a way to crunch the data without spending $ $ $ on supercomputers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has nothing to do with conspiracies and everything to do with science (I support SETI, but I don't believe that aliens have visited Earth or anything.
I don't even believe aliens exist, I just believe they might exist).There isn't any reason there couldn't be aliens out there, and if there are, one of the best ways we know of to find evidence of them is to look for their radio signals (either for their own use, or that they intentionally broadcast in order to be found).
SETI ran for many years from Arecibo and then from the Very Large Array.
The budget was never that big, and as the amount of data that could be gathered increased and budgets decreased, they came up with SETI@Home as a way to crunch the data without spending $$$ on supercomputers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303498</id>
	<title>Re:$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>mweather</author>
	<datestamp>1259578620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>What does being finished scanning the spectrum have to do with processing the data collected by the scan?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What does being finished scanning the spectrum have to do with processing the data collected by the scan ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does being finished scanning the spectrum have to do with processing the data collected by the scan?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304886</id>
	<title>Not much money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259583420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's $20/year/system. {...}  $1m is real money, especially if you're a school district.</p></div><p>But it's still only $20 per year per machine. Thus only probably a fraction of all the other costs of said machines. When you factor in initial costs of the machine, the base-line power consumption, and yearly cost to maintain them (buying new hardware to replace old, damaged or stolen hardware) than $20 aren't suddenly that much impressive.</p><p>This $1m probably only represent a small fraction of the whole budget spent over the same period of time. And was used to doing science anyway (not for downloading porn or whatever).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's $ 20/year/system .
{ ... } $ 1m is real money , especially if you 're a school district.But it 's still only $ 20 per year per machine .
Thus only probably a fraction of all the other costs of said machines .
When you factor in initial costs of the machine , the base-line power consumption , and yearly cost to maintain them ( buying new hardware to replace old , damaged or stolen hardware ) than $ 20 are n't suddenly that much impressive.This $ 1m probably only represent a small fraction of the whole budget spent over the same period of time .
And was used to doing science anyway ( not for downloading porn or whatever ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's $20/year/system.
{...}  $1m is real money, especially if you're a school district.But it's still only $20 per year per machine.
Thus only probably a fraction of all the other costs of said machines.
When you factor in initial costs of the machine, the base-line power consumption, and yearly cost to maintain them (buying new hardware to replace old, damaged or stolen hardware) than $20 aren't suddenly that much impressive.This $1m probably only represent a small fraction of the whole budget spent over the same period of time.
And was used to doing science anyway (not for downloading porn or whatever).
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302060</id>
	<title>Oops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259574300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I did this at my brothers company too.  I thought that the program "ran on minimal resources" while the computers were being used.  But shortly after installing them on a dozen programs, everyone was complaining about how slow their computers were, so I had to covertly remove them to hide the true reason why they were slow.  Lesson learned.  At least it didn't cost me my job.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I did this at my brothers company too .
I thought that the program " ran on minimal resources " while the computers were being used .
But shortly after installing them on a dozen programs , everyone was complaining about how slow their computers were , so I had to covertly remove them to hide the true reason why they were slow .
Lesson learned .
At least it did n't cost me my job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did this at my brothers company too.
I thought that the program "ran on minimal resources" while the computers were being used.
But shortly after installing them on a dozen programs, everyone was complaining about how slow their computers were, so I had to covertly remove them to hide the true reason why they were slow.
Lesson learned.
At least it didn't cost me my job.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308650</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>Sasha-Whitefur</author>
	<datestamp>1259837100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wrong, those watts were going to waste. They were already losing money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong , those watts were going to waste .
They were already losing money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong, those watts were going to waste.
They were already losing money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304908</id>
	<title>Re:SETI</title>
	<author>Windwraith</author>
	<datestamp>1259583540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was asking seriously, so I don't get your fine humor.<br>Anyway, let me ask in a different way. What are the beliefs that lead you to seek alien life? And why alien life and not something else from this planet that remains hugely unknown to us despite our lasting presence.</p><p>And seeing the responses, what the heck is wrong with you? Too used to trolls? I ask because no one around me is into alien stuff and I am curious.<br>Alright if you want it like that, why is finding mars men cool and not ghosts or something else?</p><p>Damnit<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. keep the paranoia down.<br>The no conspiracies part is because some will quickly jump to say about the government funding alien stuff and that is not a serious response.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was asking seriously , so I do n't get your fine humor.Anyway , let me ask in a different way .
What are the beliefs that lead you to seek alien life ?
And why alien life and not something else from this planet that remains hugely unknown to us despite our lasting presence.And seeing the responses , what the heck is wrong with you ?
Too used to trolls ?
I ask because no one around me is into alien stuff and I am curious.Alright if you want it like that , why is finding mars men cool and not ghosts or something else ? Damnit / .
keep the paranoia down.The no conspiracies part is because some will quickly jump to say about the government funding alien stuff and that is not a serious response .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was asking seriously, so I don't get your fine humor.Anyway, let me ask in a different way.
What are the beliefs that lead you to seek alien life?
And why alien life and not something else from this planet that remains hugely unknown to us despite our lasting presence.And seeing the responses, what the heck is wrong with you?
Too used to trolls?
I ask because no one around me is into alien stuff and I am curious.Alright if you want it like that, why is finding mars men cool and not ghosts or something else?Damnit /.
keep the paranoia down.The no conspiracies part is because some will quickly jump to say about the government funding alien stuff and that is not a serious response.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302964</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302028</id>
	<title>Commendable...</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1259574240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, no. Those weren't his machines. Had he been fired for running it on his own PC it would be different.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , no .
Those were n't his machines .
Had he been fired for running it on his own PC it would be different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, no.
Those weren't his machines.
Had he been fired for running it on his own PC it would be different.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302714</id>
	<title>Re:Some figures don't quite add up...</title>
	<author>mbone</author>
	<datestamp>1259576160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>How did they quantify the $1 million dollar amount?</i></p><p>They got it from the guys that calculate the "street value" of marijuana busts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How did they quantify the $ 1 million dollar amount ? They got it from the guys that calculate the " street value " of marijuana busts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How did they quantify the $1 million dollar amount?They got it from the guys that calculate the "street value" of marijuana busts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302350</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302794</id>
	<title>Re:$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>Jezza</author>
	<datestamp>1259576460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Err, are you sure? Why does the battery on a laptop go flat sooner when you run a 3D game on it? Power consumption isn't linear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Err , are you sure ?
Why does the battery on a laptop go flat sooner when you run a 3D game on it ?
Power consumption is n't linear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Err, are you sure?
Why does the battery on a laptop go flat sooner when you run a 3D game on it?
Power consumption isn't linear.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308934</id>
	<title>Re:Ten years to find it on 5,000 computers?</title>
	<author>kestasjk</author>
	<datestamp>1259841840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're new to IT, aren't you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're new to IT , are n't you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're new to IT, aren't you?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303162</id>
	<title>How about windows..</title>
	<author>greywire</author>
	<datestamp>1259577660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whats next, is somebody going to sue an IT guy for installing Vista on their PCs because it cost them millions in extra power used by the fancy graphics in the Aero GUI and increased memory usage?</p><p>At best this should be an error in judgement.  Maybe grounds for dismissal, but sueing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whats next , is somebody going to sue an IT guy for installing Vista on their PCs because it cost them millions in extra power used by the fancy graphics in the Aero GUI and increased memory usage ? At best this should be an error in judgement .
Maybe grounds for dismissal , but sueing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whats next, is somebody going to sue an IT guy for installing Vista on their PCs because it cost them millions in extra power used by the fancy graphics in the Aero GUI and increased memory usage?At best this should be an error in judgement.
Maybe grounds for dismissal, but sueing?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302160</id>
	<title>Re:Oops</title>
	<author>middlemen</author>
	<datestamp>1259574600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... everyone was complaining about how slow their computers were</p></div><p>

Maybe they were running Windows Vista ?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... everyone was complaining about how slow their computers were Maybe they were running Windows Vista ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... everyone was complaining about how slow their computers were

Maybe they were running Windows Vista ?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302060</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308740</id>
	<title>Re:Oops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259838720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If looking for signs of life on other planets means polluting our own (electricity mainly comes from coal or nuclear<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...), then we might as well forget it.</p><p>That guy probably just wanted to be the best Seti contributor, whatever it cost to others<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If looking for signs of life on other planets means polluting our own ( electricity mainly comes from coal or nuclear ... ) , then we might as well forget it.That guy probably just wanted to be the best Seti contributor , whatever it cost to others .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If looking for signs of life on other planets means polluting our own (electricity mainly comes from coal or nuclear ...), then we might as well forget it.That guy probably just wanted to be the best Seti contributor, whatever it cost to others ...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302060</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308594</id>
	<title>Re:SETI</title>
	<author>1s44c</author>
	<datestamp>1259836140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't intend to troll but to get a response.<br>Seriously, I don't believe in aliens beyond movies, and I don't understand the interest about this program. I'd like to know why would someone install this, can some users tell me about it?<br>(But please no conspiracies)</p></div><p>Because humanity is fucked. Competitive evolution means the most violent, destructive, and manipulative species dominates. Currently political manipulators cause wide scale death for no particular reason whist most of the population blindly believe some god will save them after death.</p><p>Proof that some other lifeforms have got past this cruel and brutal stage of their development would mean humanity could do it to. It would mean there is something to hope for other than our own violent destruction by our own hands.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't intend to troll but to get a response.Seriously , I do n't believe in aliens beyond movies , and I do n't understand the interest about this program .
I 'd like to know why would someone install this , can some users tell me about it ?
( But please no conspiracies ) Because humanity is fucked .
Competitive evolution means the most violent , destructive , and manipulative species dominates .
Currently political manipulators cause wide scale death for no particular reason whist most of the population blindly believe some god will save them after death.Proof that some other lifeforms have got past this cruel and brutal stage of their development would mean humanity could do it to .
It would mean there is something to hope for other than our own violent destruction by our own hands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't intend to troll but to get a response.Seriously, I don't believe in aliens beyond movies, and I don't understand the interest about this program.
I'd like to know why would someone install this, can some users tell me about it?
(But please no conspiracies)Because humanity is fucked.
Competitive evolution means the most violent, destructive, and manipulative species dominates.
Currently political manipulators cause wide scale death for no particular reason whist most of the population blindly believe some god will save them after death.Proof that some other lifeforms have got past this cruel and brutal stage of their development would mean humanity could do it to.
It would mean there is something to hope for other than our own violent destruction by our own hands.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302964</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302474</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>stagg</author>
	<datestamp>1259575440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would love to see someone get fired for wasting resources and costing the company unnecessary money by installing Vista on their computers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would love to see someone get fired for wasting resources and costing the company unnecessary money by installing Vista on their computers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would love to see someone get fired for wasting resources and costing the company unnecessary money by installing Vista on their computers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302076</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304632</id>
	<title>Re:Oops</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1259582520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did the same thing many, many years ago on A linux box that was going to run an accounting system. Left it on for about 20 minutes before I saw how slow it was running.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did the same thing many , many years ago on A linux box that was going to run an accounting system .
Left it on for about 20 minutes before I saw how slow it was running .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did the same thing many, many years ago on A linux box that was going to run an accounting system.
Left it on for about 20 minutes before I saw how slow it was running.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302060</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302738</id>
	<title>Fate is such a fickle mistress</title>
	<author>phonewebcam</author>
	<datestamp>1259576220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If any of those machines had really found aliens this guy would have quite possibly become the most famous man who ever lived. Instead he's off burger flipping if he's lucky.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If any of those machines had really found aliens this guy would have quite possibly become the most famous man who ever lived .
Instead he 's off burger flipping if he 's lucky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If any of those machines had really found aliens this guy would have quite possibly become the most famous man who ever lived.
Instead he's off burger flipping if he's lucky.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302484</id>
	<title>His heart was in the right place...</title>
	<author>Anita Coney</author>
	<datestamp>1259575440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... but unfortunately for him his brain was sitting in a jar on a shelf somewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... but unfortunately for him his brain was sitting in a jar on a shelf somewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... but unfortunately for him his brain was sitting in a jar on a shelf somewhere.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308216</id>
	<title>Re:Wait, he didn't have permission?</title>
	<author>ArsenneLupin</author>
	<datestamp>1259872680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It sounds like this may not be the only issue, either.</p></div><p>Yes indeed...</p><p><div class="quote"><p> Apparently there was some theft involved as well?</p></div><p>There wasn't.</p><p>
But what was happening is that the new school administrator (Birdwell) wanted to fill NEZ's position with one of her relatives... So she had to make shit up to make him resign. Like the 18 other people who resigned/were let go under similar circumstances.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It sounds like this may not be the only issue , either.Yes indeed... Apparently there was some theft involved as well ? There was n't .
But what was happening is that the new school administrator ( Birdwell ) wanted to fill NEZ 's position with one of her relatives... So she had to make shit up to make him resign .
Like the 18 other people who resigned/were let go under similar circumstances .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sounds like this may not be the only issue, either.Yes indeed... Apparently there was some theft involved as well?There wasn't.
But what was happening is that the new school administrator (Birdwell) wanted to fill NEZ's position with one of her relatives... So she had to make shit up to make him resign.
Like the 18 other people who resigned/were let go under similar circumstances.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302780</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302138</id>
	<title>And...</title>
	<author>RichardJenkins</author>
	<datestamp>1259574540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And not a single alien to show for it!</htmltext>
<tokenext>And not a single alien to show for it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And not a single alien to show for it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30334398</id>
	<title>email everyone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1260022080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear Dr Denise Birdwell,</p><p>How can you hold your head up high and call yourself a doctor of education? A doctor in any field is such because of a higher ideal of pursuing excellence and the pursuit of knowledge. It doesn't just stop with a piece of paper you can post on the wall. You might as well have received yours from an internet site. Clearly you haven't a clue as to what the meaning of doctor really is.</p><p>Using the district's computers for the search for knowledge, especially within the education system, could not be more appropriate.</p><p>You are an embarrassment, not only within your own district and the state of Arizona, but now around the world. You have amplified the international perception that Americans are weak on science. Shame on you. If anyone should be fired it is you.</p><p>***If everyone sends this email to the following recipients, the first being (Dr<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) Birdwell, there might be some action.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; dbirdwell@husd.org<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Cc: pcarpenter@husd.org, gland@husd.org, paul.howell@husd.org, kanderson@husd.org, dstandage@husd.org, vwhitener@husd.org, info@ostp.gov, dstine@ostp.eop.gov, rweiss@ostp.eop.gov, news-tips@nytimes.com, managing-editor@nytimes.com, national@nytimes.com, letters@nytimes.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear Dr Denise Birdwell,How can you hold your head up high and call yourself a doctor of education ?
A doctor in any field is such because of a higher ideal of pursuing excellence and the pursuit of knowledge .
It does n't just stop with a piece of paper you can post on the wall .
You might as well have received yours from an internet site .
Clearly you have n't a clue as to what the meaning of doctor really is.Using the district 's computers for the search for knowledge , especially within the education system , could not be more appropriate.You are an embarrassment , not only within your own district and the state of Arizona , but now around the world .
You have amplified the international perception that Americans are weak on science .
Shame on you .
If anyone should be fired it is you .
* * * If everyone sends this email to the following recipients , the first being ( Dr ; ) Birdwell , there might be some action .
                    dbirdwell @ husd.org                 Cc : pcarpenter @ husd.org , gland @ husd.org , paul.howell @ husd.org , kanderson @ husd.org , dstandage @ husd.org , vwhitener @ husd.org , info @ ostp.gov , dstine @ ostp.eop.gov , rweiss @ ostp.eop.gov , news-tips @ nytimes.com , managing-editor @ nytimes.com , national @ nytimes.com , letters @ nytimes.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear Dr Denise Birdwell,How can you hold your head up high and call yourself a doctor of education?
A doctor in any field is such because of a higher ideal of pursuing excellence and the pursuit of knowledge.
It doesn't just stop with a piece of paper you can post on the wall.
You might as well have received yours from an internet site.
Clearly you haven't a clue as to what the meaning of doctor really is.Using the district's computers for the search for knowledge, especially within the education system, could not be more appropriate.You are an embarrassment, not only within your own district and the state of Arizona, but now around the world.
You have amplified the international perception that Americans are weak on science.
Shame on you.
If anyone should be fired it is you.
***If everyone sends this email to the following recipients, the first being (Dr ;) Birdwell, there might be some action.
                    dbirdwell@husd.org
                Cc: pcarpenter@husd.org, gland@husd.org, paul.howell@husd.org, kanderson@husd.org, dstandage@husd.org, vwhitener@husd.org, info@ostp.gov, dstine@ostp.eop.gov, rweiss@ostp.eop.gov, news-tips@nytimes.com, managing-editor@nytimes.com, national@nytimes.com, letters@nytimes.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302124</id>
	<title>He also had equipment from the school at his home</title>
	<author>vivin</author>
	<datestamp>1259574540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>I heard this story on NPR this morning.<br><br>He probably shouldn't simply be installing software that isn't essential to his work function on machines that he does not own.<br><br>I also heard on NPR that they found lots of equipment that belonged to the school at his residence. The criminal charges probably stem from that and not just for installing SETI@Home (haven't read the TFA so just speculating).</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard this story on NPR this morning.He probably should n't simply be installing software that is n't essential to his work function on machines that he does not own.I also heard on NPR that they found lots of equipment that belonged to the school at his residence .
The criminal charges probably stem from that and not just for installing SETI @ Home ( have n't read the TFA so just speculating ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard this story on NPR this morning.He probably shouldn't simply be installing software that isn't essential to his work function on machines that he does not own.I also heard on NPR that they found lots of equipment that belonged to the school at his residence.
The criminal charges probably stem from that and not just for installing SETI@Home (haven't read the TFA so just speculating).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30309244</id>
	<title>I don't see the point of Seti@home</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259847480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless you want to download the lost episodes of Top of the Pops with the beatles that were broadcasted into space between 1964-1973  I don't see the point of Seti@home</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless you want to download the lost episodes of Top of the Pops with the beatles that were broadcasted into space between 1964-1973 I do n't see the point of Seti @ home</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless you want to download the lost episodes of Top of the Pops with the beatles that were broadcasted into space between 1964-1973  I don't see the point of Seti@home</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302268</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>MakinBacon</author>
	<datestamp>1259574840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most schools make the teachers shut down the computers every night and on weekends because they're seriously strapped for cash.

Also, I have never been in a school that actually uses Vista.  Every one I've seen has used either XP or 2000 (although that's not to say there aren't any, just that this school probably doesn't use Vista).

Also, the article said that some of the 1000000$ was from replacement parts, although I'm not sure why SETI@Home would break their computers (probably some idiot that thinks that old computers always get slow and therefore need to be replaced)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most schools make the teachers shut down the computers every night and on weekends because they 're seriously strapped for cash .
Also , I have never been in a school that actually uses Vista .
Every one I 've seen has used either XP or 2000 ( although that 's not to say there are n't any , just that this school probably does n't use Vista ) .
Also , the article said that some of the 1000000 $ was from replacement parts , although I 'm not sure why SETI @ Home would break their computers ( probably some idiot that thinks that old computers always get slow and therefore need to be replaced )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most schools make the teachers shut down the computers every night and on weekends because they're seriously strapped for cash.
Also, I have never been in a school that actually uses Vista.
Every one I've seen has used either XP or 2000 (although that's not to say there aren't any, just that this school probably doesn't use Vista).
Also, the article said that some of the 1000000$ was from replacement parts, although I'm not sure why SETI@Home would break their computers (probably some idiot that thinks that old computers always get slow and therefore need to be replaced)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302076</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302190</id>
	<title>Tone of TFA</title>
	<author>Demiansmark</author>
	<datestamp>1259574660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Little taken aback by the tone of the write up in the local news and the quote by the superintendent, "We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research, [..] however, as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T."</p><p>The whole article implies that SETI is some out there kookie search for aliens and in no way a scientific endeavor that has at times been funded in part by the US government. That's local news coverage for you though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Little taken aback by the tone of the write up in the local news and the quote by the superintendent , " We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research , [ .. ] however , as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T .
" The whole article implies that SETI is some out there kookie search for aliens and in no way a scientific endeavor that has at times been funded in part by the US government .
That 's local news coverage for you though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Little taken aback by the tone of the write up in the local news and the quote by the superintendent, "We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research, [..] however, as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T.
"The whole article implies that SETI is some out there kookie search for aliens and in no way a scientific endeavor that has at times been funded in part by the US government.
That's local news coverage for you though.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306956</id>
	<title>Re:He was fired for stealing and porn</title>
	<author>ColdSam</author>
	<datestamp>1259596680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yet even this article highlights the "alien search" in the headline. Better is still not up to the level of good in this case.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet even this article highlights the " alien search " in the headline .
Better is still not up to the level of good in this case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet even this article highlights the "alien search" in the headline.
Better is still not up to the level of good in this case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303148</id>
	<title>Re:Stop wasting our electricity, Fox Mulder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259577600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The odds of finding a coincidental, intelligent, and perceptible alien civilization that happens to be in the narrow technological window of using radio waves for communication, at any communicative distance from earth, is all but nil.</p></div></blockquote><p>There's a couple of things you're missing here. First, radio waves travel <em>extremely far</em> in space, and we have pretty good technology that could pick up formed signals that are extremely weak. Second, SETI doesn't look just for "communication" but for any RF that shows signs of intelligent construction - our use of electricity generates RF that can be picked up from space; if an intelligent alien species does exist, and transmits power over wires, there's a chance we'll be able to find that.  Third, we have no way to know whether the window of using radio waves for comms is narrow or not, because we still do it.</p><p>Finally, even if the chance of finding something is very small, the chance is only <em>zero</em> if we don't look. If we do find something, it will be one of the most significant discoveries ever - that we are not alone in the universe. The social implications alone would be astonishing.  If we find nothing, then we'll still have learned something - that's how science works.</p><p>You should make up your own mind if it's important enough to spend the money we're using on it, but you can't really argue it has <em>no</em> value.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The odds of finding a coincidental , intelligent , and perceptible alien civilization that happens to be in the narrow technological window of using radio waves for communication , at any communicative distance from earth , is all but nil.There 's a couple of things you 're missing here .
First , radio waves travel extremely far in space , and we have pretty good technology that could pick up formed signals that are extremely weak .
Second , SETI does n't look just for " communication " but for any RF that shows signs of intelligent construction - our use of electricity generates RF that can be picked up from space ; if an intelligent alien species does exist , and transmits power over wires , there 's a chance we 'll be able to find that .
Third , we have no way to know whether the window of using radio waves for comms is narrow or not , because we still do it.Finally , even if the chance of finding something is very small , the chance is only zero if we do n't look .
If we do find something , it will be one of the most significant discoveries ever - that we are not alone in the universe .
The social implications alone would be astonishing .
If we find nothing , then we 'll still have learned something - that 's how science works.You should make up your own mind if it 's important enough to spend the money we 're using on it , but you ca n't really argue it has no value .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The odds of finding a coincidental, intelligent, and perceptible alien civilization that happens to be in the narrow technological window of using radio waves for communication, at any communicative distance from earth, is all but nil.There's a couple of things you're missing here.
First, radio waves travel extremely far in space, and we have pretty good technology that could pick up formed signals that are extremely weak.
Second, SETI doesn't look just for "communication" but for any RF that shows signs of intelligent construction - our use of electricity generates RF that can be picked up from space; if an intelligent alien species does exist, and transmits power over wires, there's a chance we'll be able to find that.
Third, we have no way to know whether the window of using radio waves for comms is narrow or not, because we still do it.Finally, even if the chance of finding something is very small, the chance is only zero if we don't look.
If we do find something, it will be one of the most significant discoveries ever - that we are not alone in the universe.
The social implications alone would be astonishing.
If we find nothing, then we'll still have learned something - that's how science works.You should make up your own mind if it's important enough to spend the money we're using on it, but you can't really argue it has no value.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302254</id>
	<title>AUP?</title>
	<author>flogger</author>
	<datestamp>1259574840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most businesses or schools will have an Acceptable Use Policy. To paraphrase the AUP where I work, A person must have permission to install  3rd party software. This permission must come from building administration or Tech Department administration. If Joe Employee installs Seti without permission, that could be cause for termination. If I install Seti in my buildings' computers, it will be because I gave myself permission to do so. (Which I have, so I did.) <br> <br>
However, this case seems to be with a difference of opinion. Ftfa: '"We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research," said Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell. "However, as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T."'<br> <br>
This is why the Tenure system was instituted. To prevent dismissals due to political or idealogical reasons. To say he would allow protein folding but not seti is asinine. When I decided between the two, I figured that finding ET would have a greater impact on society that a cure for cancer. Who knows, maybe ET will be able to help us cure diseases while curing diseases will not help us find ET.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most businesses or schools will have an Acceptable Use Policy .
To paraphrase the AUP where I work , A person must have permission to install 3rd party software .
This permission must come from building administration or Tech Department administration .
If Joe Employee installs Seti without permission , that could be cause for termination .
If I install Seti in my buildings ' computers , it will be because I gave myself permission to do so .
( Which I have , so I did .
) However , this case seems to be with a difference of opinion .
Ftfa : ' " We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research , " said Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell .
" However , as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T .
" ' This is why the Tenure system was instituted .
To prevent dismissals due to political or idealogical reasons .
To say he would allow protein folding but not seti is asinine .
When I decided between the two , I figured that finding ET would have a greater impact on society that a cure for cancer .
Who knows , maybe ET will be able to help us cure diseases while curing diseases will not help us find ET .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most businesses or schools will have an Acceptable Use Policy.
To paraphrase the AUP where I work, A person must have permission to install  3rd party software.
This permission must come from building administration or Tech Department administration.
If Joe Employee installs Seti without permission, that could be cause for termination.
If I install Seti in my buildings' computers, it will be because I gave myself permission to do so.
(Which I have, so I did.
)  
However, this case seems to be with a difference of opinion.
Ftfa: '"We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research," said Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell.
"However, as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T.
"' 
This is why the Tenure system was instituted.
To prevent dismissals due to political or idealogical reasons.
To say he would allow protein folding but not seti is asinine.
When I decided between the two, I figured that finding ET would have a greater impact on society that a cure for cancer.
Who knows, maybe ET will be able to help us cure diseases while curing diseases will not help us find ET.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302810</id>
	<title>One million dollars</title>
	<author>onyxruby</author>
	<datestamp>1259576520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they are being billed one million dollars by a consulting company to do this, that's the real crime. I'll clean their entire district, and I'll be happy to do it for a couple grand with a few scripts.</p><p>If they are spending a million dollars to find and uninstall a program that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/doesn't/ hide itself than I declare them incompetent. For a fraction of that money you could set up and license Altiris, SCCM or another similar infrastructure management program, buy your servers, set up a lab, hire some packagers as well as the architects and admins to run the whole works. Even without all of that a halfway decent desktop engineer could create a login script to look for and uninstall the application on any pc that was affected.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they are being billed one million dollars by a consulting company to do this , that 's the real crime .
I 'll clean their entire district , and I 'll be happy to do it for a couple grand with a few scripts.If they are spending a million dollars to find and uninstall a program that /does n't/ hide itself than I declare them incompetent .
For a fraction of that money you could set up and license Altiris , SCCM or another similar infrastructure management program , buy your servers , set up a lab , hire some packagers as well as the architects and admins to run the whole works .
Even without all of that a halfway decent desktop engineer could create a login script to look for and uninstall the application on any pc that was affected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they are being billed one million dollars by a consulting company to do this, that's the real crime.
I'll clean their entire district, and I'll be happy to do it for a couple grand with a few scripts.If they are spending a million dollars to find and uninstall a program that /doesn't/ hide itself than I declare them incompetent.
For a fraction of that money you could set up and license Altiris, SCCM or another similar infrastructure management program, buy your servers, set up a lab, hire some packagers as well as the architects and admins to run the whole works.
Even without all of that a halfway decent desktop engineer could create a login script to look for and uninstall the application on any pc that was affected.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308794</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259839500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The district was forced to replace an estimated 2,300 computer processors because of the 24-hour use of the computers."</p><p>Does Intel and AMD know that their CPU's cannot run 24hrs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The district was forced to replace an estimated 2,300 computer processors because of the 24-hour use of the computers .
" Does Intel and AMD know that their CPU 's can not run 24hrs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The district was forced to replace an estimated 2,300 computer processors because of the 24-hour use of the computers.
"Does Intel and AMD know that their CPU's cannot run 24hrs?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304420</id>
	<title>Re:Unnoticed... really?</title>
	<author>grimJester</author>
	<datestamp>1259581860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>So no one noticed a 5000 x ~150 ~= <b>750 MW</b> of usage? Over 10 years? Yikes. I would think at least some nerdy kids would have noticed at some point that there was SETI installed and asked some questions. <b>Wouldn't people wonder why the computer lab was hot first thing in the morning.</b> </i> <br> <br>With 750MW of heating, I think they would wonder why there's a pit of lava where the school used to be... A slightly more realistic estimate is 5k * 40W = 200kW, costing $14/hour @ 7c/kWh.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So no one noticed a 5000 x ~ 150 ~ = 750 MW of usage ?
Over 10 years ?
Yikes. I would think at least some nerdy kids would have noticed at some point that there was SETI installed and asked some questions .
Would n't people wonder why the computer lab was hot first thing in the morning .
With 750MW of heating , I think they would wonder why there 's a pit of lava where the school used to be... A slightly more realistic estimate is 5k * 40W = 200kW , costing $ 14/hour @ 7c/kWh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So no one noticed a 5000 x ~150 ~= 750 MW of usage?
Over 10 years?
Yikes. I would think at least some nerdy kids would have noticed at some point that there was SETI installed and asked some questions.
Wouldn't people wonder why the computer lab was hot first thing in the morning.
With 750MW of heating, I think they would wonder why there's a pit of lava where the school used to be... A slightly more realistic estimate is 5k * 40W = 200kW, costing $14/hour @ 7c/kWh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302752</id>
	<title>Re:$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1259576280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to run SETI until I read an article that SETI finished scanning their entire spectrum twice.</p><p><a href="http://xkcd.com/638/" title="xkcd.com">http://xkcd.com/638/</a> [xkcd.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to run SETI until I read an article that SETI finished scanning their entire spectrum twice.http : //xkcd.com/638/ [ xkcd.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to run SETI until I read an article that SETI finished scanning their entire spectrum twice.http://xkcd.com/638/ [xkcd.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306304</id>
	<title>Re:AUP?</title>
	<author>hondo77</author>
	<datestamp>1259591220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is why the Tenure system was instituted. To prevent dismissals due to political or idealogical reasons.</p></div><p>Yeah because that <em>never</em> happens in the private sector, right?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why the Tenure system was instituted .
To prevent dismissals due to political or idealogical reasons.Yeah because that never happens in the private sector , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why the Tenure system was instituted.
To prevent dismissals due to political or idealogical reasons.Yeah because that never happens in the private sector, right?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30309172</id>
	<title>Re:$5/machine? Depends on the machine...</title>
	<author>testadicazzo</author>
	<datestamp>1259846220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You aren't the only one that feels that way.  From the article:<blockquote><div><p>Brad Niesluchowski has resigned from the Higley Unified School District in Gilbert after allegedly downloading software that seeks out alien life forms.

"We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research," said Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell. "However, as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T."</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...
Birdwell said the massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts.</p><p>
Niesluchowski's wife, Susan... said the software was authorized by a previous administration and her husband has better things to do to than look for aliens.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
I personally disagree with your view, although I respect your opinion.   I do  take umbrage at the tone of the article, which seems to imply that participitating in the SETI@home project means you probably wear tinfoil hats, speak klingon, and possibly stand out in fields at night looking for visitors.
</p><p>
  Searching for evidence of extraterestrial intelligence is a perfectly respectable area of scientific research.  A lot of good science has come out of SETI, including the SETI@home project, which was pioneering work in distributed computing.  The pioneering work of SETI@home made BOINC and folding@home possible, for example.
</p><p>
You might prioritize cancer research, and that's a respectable point of view.  But the SETI project isn't crackpottery, and deserves a certain amount of respect for their scientific work, and their mission.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are n't the only one that feels that way .
From the article : Brad Niesluchowski has resigned from the Higley Unified School District in Gilbert after allegedly downloading software that seeks out alien life forms .
" We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research , " said Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell .
" However , as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T .
" .. . Birdwell said the massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $ 1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts .
Niesluchowski 's wife , Susan... said the software was authorized by a previous administration and her husband has better things to do to than look for aliens .
I personally disagree with your view , although I respect your opinion .
I do take umbrage at the tone of the article , which seems to imply that participitating in the SETI @ home project means you probably wear tinfoil hats , speak klingon , and possibly stand out in fields at night looking for visitors .
Searching for evidence of extraterestrial intelligence is a perfectly respectable area of scientific research .
A lot of good science has come out of SETI , including the SETI @ home project , which was pioneering work in distributed computing .
The pioneering work of SETI @ home made BOINC and folding @ home possible , for example .
You might prioritize cancer research , and that 's a respectable point of view .
But the SETI project is n't crackpottery , and deserves a certain amount of respect for their scientific work , and their mission .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You aren't the only one that feels that way.
From the article:Brad Niesluchowski has resigned from the Higley Unified School District in Gilbert after allegedly downloading software that seeks out alien life forms.
"We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research," said Higley superintendent Denise Birdwell.
"However, as an educational institution we do not support the search for E.T.
" ...
Birdwell said the massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts.
Niesluchowski's wife, Susan... said the software was authorized by a previous administration and her husband has better things to do to than look for aliens.
I personally disagree with your view, although I respect your opinion.
I do  take umbrage at the tone of the article, which seems to imply that participitating in the SETI@home project means you probably wear tinfoil hats, speak klingon, and possibly stand out in fields at night looking for visitors.
Searching for evidence of extraterestrial intelligence is a perfectly respectable area of scientific research.
A lot of good science has come out of SETI, including the SETI@home project, which was pioneering work in distributed computing.
The pioneering work of SETI@home made BOINC and folding@home possible, for example.
You might prioritize cancer research, and that's a respectable point of view.
But the SETI project isn't crackpottery, and deserves a certain amount of respect for their scientific work, and their mission.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302456</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259575380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's say (pulling number out of ass) being busy vs idle uses an additional 25 Watts.  They're saying it happened over 9 years.  25*24*365*9/1000 = 1971 KiloWatt Hours per machine.  At $0.10 per KWH, that's a match.  So then we fight over whether it's really a 25 Watt difference, really happened for 9 years, what the school actually pays per KWH, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's say ( pulling number out of ass ) being busy vs idle uses an additional 25 Watts .
They 're saying it happened over 9 years .
25 * 24 * 365 * 9/1000 = 1971 KiloWatt Hours per machine .
At $ 0.10 per KWH , that 's a match .
So then we fight over whether it 's really a 25 Watt difference , really happened for 9 years , what the school actually pays per KWH , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's say (pulling number out of ass) being busy vs idle uses an additional 25 Watts.
They're saying it happened over 9 years.
25*24*365*9/1000 = 1971 KiloWatt Hours per machine.
At $0.10 per KWH, that's a match.
So then we fight over whether it's really a 25 Watt difference, really happened for 9 years, what the school actually pays per KWH, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302364</id>
	<title>bad move by school district</title>
	<author>ChrisCampbell47</author>
	<datestamp>1259575140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They should have been proud of this, frankly.  Distributed computing is a very interesting field and becoming more and more relevant.  Certainly it would have been a great educational opportunity.  Similarly, SETI really isn't laughed at much anymore<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Well, unless you're not too bright and take things like the Drudge Report and Sarah Palin seriously.  Oh, crap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They should have been proud of this , frankly .
Distributed computing is a very interesting field and becoming more and more relevant .
Certainly it would have been a great educational opportunity .
Similarly , SETI really is n't laughed at much anymore ... Well , unless you 're not too bright and take things like the Drudge Report and Sarah Palin seriously .
Oh , crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should have been proud of this, frankly.
Distributed computing is a very interesting field and becoming more and more relevant.
Certainly it would have been a great educational opportunity.
Similarly, SETI really isn't laughed at much anymore ... Well, unless you're not too bright and take things like the Drudge Report and Sarah Palin seriously.
Oh, crap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304614</id>
	<title>They have the wrong man...</title>
	<author>Pedrito</author>
	<datestamp>1259582460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>
Niesluchowski's wife, Susan, insisted her husband is a good man and great father who did nothing wrong.<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>
"We have seven kids together," Niesluchowski's wife said.</i> <br> <br>

Obviously it's not him. He has 7 kids. Cops always miss the obvious.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Niesluchowski 's wife , Susan , insisted her husband is a good man and great father who did nothing wrong .
.. . " We have seven kids together , " Niesluchowski 's wife said .
Obviously it 's not him .
He has 7 kids .
Cops always miss the obvious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Niesluchowski's wife, Susan, insisted her husband is a good man and great father who did nothing wrong.
...
"We have seven kids together," Niesluchowski's wife said.
Obviously it's not him.
He has 7 kids.
Cops always miss the obvious.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302350</id>
	<title>Some figures don't quite add up...</title>
	<author>allometry</author>
	<datestamp>1259575080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How did they quantify the $1 million dollar amount? It seems to me that this number was pulled out of the district's ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How did they quantify the $ 1 million dollar amount ?
It seems to me that this number was pulled out of the district 's ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How did they quantify the $1 million dollar amount?
It seems to me that this number was pulled out of the district's ass.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302944</id>
	<title>The superintendent will feel really dumb when...</title>
	<author>KarmaRundi</author>
	<datestamp>1259577000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>it turns out that the aliens have a cure for cancer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>it turns out that the aliens have a cure for cancer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it turns out that the aliens have a cure for cancer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308516</id>
	<title>Re:baaaaloney</title>
	<author>dkf</author>
	<datestamp>1259835120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've read claims that the school policy was to keep the machines on 24/7 and the tech department's proposal to automate shutting down the machines overnight (to the tune of saving $90K/year) was rejected. If that's true, the school is standing on one foot (having shot themselves in the other).</p></div><p>Yes, but the amount of power actually consumed by the machine depends on the workload. A truly idle machine consumes less. The exact figures depend on the system specifics; a measurement tool should be used under the different workload scenarios to figure out what the actual cost is. The other things to take into account are bandwidth costs (for one machine running SETI@home this is trivial, but for 5000 it's not so small) and the costs from a shortened replacement cycle; as systems work more, they wear out faster.</p><p>Though yes, the school board were douches to say that systems should be on 24/7. Throwing away $90k/year like that is just... stupid. (Doesn't mean that the other guy was in the right. Sometimes it's just a battle of the assholes.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've read claims that the school policy was to keep the machines on 24/7 and the tech department 's proposal to automate shutting down the machines overnight ( to the tune of saving $ 90K/year ) was rejected .
If that 's true , the school is standing on one foot ( having shot themselves in the other ) .Yes , but the amount of power actually consumed by the machine depends on the workload .
A truly idle machine consumes less .
The exact figures depend on the system specifics ; a measurement tool should be used under the different workload scenarios to figure out what the actual cost is .
The other things to take into account are bandwidth costs ( for one machine running SETI @ home this is trivial , but for 5000 it 's not so small ) and the costs from a shortened replacement cycle ; as systems work more , they wear out faster.Though yes , the school board were douches to say that systems should be on 24/7 .
Throwing away $ 90k/year like that is just... stupid. ( Does n't mean that the other guy was in the right .
Sometimes it 's just a battle of the assholes .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've read claims that the school policy was to keep the machines on 24/7 and the tech department's proposal to automate shutting down the machines overnight (to the tune of saving $90K/year) was rejected.
If that's true, the school is standing on one foot (having shot themselves in the other).Yes, but the amount of power actually consumed by the machine depends on the workload.
A truly idle machine consumes less.
The exact figures depend on the system specifics; a measurement tool should be used under the different workload scenarios to figure out what the actual cost is.
The other things to take into account are bandwidth costs (for one machine running SETI@home this is trivial, but for 5000 it's not so small) and the costs from a shortened replacement cycle; as systems work more, they wear out faster.Though yes, the school board were douches to say that systems should be on 24/7.
Throwing away $90k/year like that is just... stupid. (Doesn't mean that the other guy was in the right.
Sometimes it's just a battle of the assholes.
)
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302152</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>cjfs</author>
	<datestamp>1259574600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That works out to about $200 per machine. In what, electricity from no CPU idle?</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>Birdwell said the massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That works out to about $ 200 per machine .
In what , electricity from no CPU idle ? Birdwell said the massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $ 1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That works out to about $200 per machine.
In what, electricity from no CPU idle?Birdwell said the massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30310386</id>
	<title>Re:it's a desperate school district looking for mo</title>
	<author>agochee</author>
	<datestamp>1259856840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>$1 million for five thousand computers......come on, even if SET@Home had completely worn down the computers that they had to replace every single computer, it would have only cost $500k.</p></div><p>$500,000.00 / 5000 PCs = $100.00 per PC

Where are you getting new computers for $100 each? And if you had bothered to read TFA, that figure wasn't just for removing software and repairing PCs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 1 million for five thousand computers......come on , even if SET @ Home had completely worn down the computers that they had to replace every single computer , it would have only cost $ 500k. $ 500,000.00 / 5000 PCs = $ 100.00 per PC Where are you getting new computers for $ 100 each ?
And if you had bothered to read TFA , that figure was n't just for removing software and repairing PCs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$1 million for five thousand computers......come on, even if SET@Home had completely worn down the computers that they had to replace every single computer, it would have only cost $500k.$500,000.00 / 5000 PCs = $100.00 per PC

Where are you getting new computers for $100 each?
And if you had bothered to read TFA, that figure wasn't just for removing software and repairing PCs.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302930</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>Drummergeek0</author>
	<datestamp>1259576940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only problem with that calculation is that 8 hours of the day the computers are used for what the school meant for them, so the calculation would be more like</p><p>40 watts x (24 hours x 365 days - 8 hours x 5 days x 52 weeks) x 10 years x 5000 machines x $.06<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/kwh = $801,600, 20\% less than specified.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only problem with that calculation is that 8 hours of the day the computers are used for what the school meant for them , so the calculation would be more like40 watts x ( 24 hours x 365 days - 8 hours x 5 days x 52 weeks ) x 10 years x 5000 machines x $ .06 /kwh = $ 801,600 , 20 \ % less than specified .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only problem with that calculation is that 8 hours of the day the computers are used for what the school meant for them, so the calculation would be more like40 watts x (24 hours x 365 days - 8 hours x 5 days x 52 weeks) x 10 years x 5000 machines x $.06 /kwh = $801,600, 20\% less than specified.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30318718</id>
	<title>Re:$5/machine? Depends on the machine...</title>
	<author>AmiMoJo</author>
	<datestamp>1259844480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BOINC dude. Spread the love around a bit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BOINC dude .
Spread the love around a bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BOINC dude.
Spread the love around a bit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302106</id>
	<title>Great...</title>
	<author>XPeter</author>
	<datestamp>1259574480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So instead of teaching something useful with that million, the school had to pay for upkeep.</p><p>This is why I pay little attention in school, because most of its just fucking stupid shit.  90\%+ of what I've learned about computers has come from reading online and learning things by myself (CCNA, Compsci1, AutoCAD).  Maybe instead of wasting money, use it to provide a better education for the students.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So instead of teaching something useful with that million , the school had to pay for upkeep.This is why I pay little attention in school , because most of its just fucking stupid shit .
90 \ % + of what I 've learned about computers has come from reading online and learning things by myself ( CCNA , Compsci1 , AutoCAD ) .
Maybe instead of wasting money , use it to provide a better education for the students .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So instead of teaching something useful with that million, the school had to pay for upkeep.This is why I pay little attention in school, because most of its just fucking stupid shit.
90\%+ of what I've learned about computers has come from reading online and learning things by myself (CCNA, Compsci1, AutoCAD).
Maybe instead of wasting money, use it to provide a better education for the students.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302086</id>
	<title>Love how they make it sound like a sci-fi novel</title>
	<author>bieber</author>
	<datestamp>1259574420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Reading the article, you'd think the guy was some deranged tinfoil-hat wearing conspiracy theorist devilishly enlisting the school's resources to justify his own crackpot theories, not just some guy using the school's computers to help a scientific organization crunch data.  Did he do something wrong?  Quite possibly.  There's no way he could possibly have committed an offense worse than using some variation of the phrase "alien seeking" that many times in a serious news article.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading the article , you 'd think the guy was some deranged tinfoil-hat wearing conspiracy theorist devilishly enlisting the school 's resources to justify his own crackpot theories , not just some guy using the school 's computers to help a scientific organization crunch data .
Did he do something wrong ?
Quite possibly .
There 's no way he could possibly have committed an offense worse than using some variation of the phrase " alien seeking " that many times in a serious news article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading the article, you'd think the guy was some deranged tinfoil-hat wearing conspiracy theorist devilishly enlisting the school's resources to justify his own crackpot theories, not just some guy using the school's computers to help a scientific organization crunch data.
Did he do something wrong?
Quite possibly.
There's no way he could possibly have committed an offense worse than using some variation of the phrase "alien seeking" that many times in a serious news article.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30305512</id>
	<title>Re:$1,000,000 for 5000 machines not utterly nutty</title>
	<author>An Onerous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1259586180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hard to say.  But when you're in charge of a 5000 computer installation, any single decision you make can suddenly look ginormous.</p><p>Imagine that, over the last ten years, the IT director has purchased 15,000 computers.  If he was unwittingly paying $70/box more than he could have, that's $1M right there.  If most of the computers are using only 10\% of their disk space (pretty common in a desktop work environment), you could argue that he bought well over $1M worth of worthless hard drive space.</p><p>Or, if the computers are poorly configured, so that the computers waste ten minutes of each teacher's day for ten years, you get:</p><p>(8500 students * 1 teacher / 30 students * 180 days * 10 years * 10 min/day * $12/60 min) = $1,020,000</p><p>I'd better stop before I give the district more ideas.</p><p>So, it's a pretty decent sized chunk of responsibility, and while we're only hearing the district's side, he really shouldn't have been running unnecessary software.  Too much is at stake to be playing.  But nothing about the SETI thing strikes me as worthy of criminal charges, and the other stuff ("pornography", "stolen computers") is either blown out of proportion, or just the everyday sort of misconduct that gets people fired without making national news.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hard to say .
But when you 're in charge of a 5000 computer installation , any single decision you make can suddenly look ginormous.Imagine that , over the last ten years , the IT director has purchased 15,000 computers .
If he was unwittingly paying $ 70/box more than he could have , that 's $ 1M right there .
If most of the computers are using only 10 \ % of their disk space ( pretty common in a desktop work environment ) , you could argue that he bought well over $ 1M worth of worthless hard drive space.Or , if the computers are poorly configured , so that the computers waste ten minutes of each teacher 's day for ten years , you get : ( 8500 students * 1 teacher / 30 students * 180 days * 10 years * 10 min/day * $ 12/60 min ) = $ 1,020,000I 'd better stop before I give the district more ideas.So , it 's a pretty decent sized chunk of responsibility , and while we 're only hearing the district 's side , he really should n't have been running unnecessary software .
Too much is at stake to be playing .
But nothing about the SETI thing strikes me as worthy of criminal charges , and the other stuff ( " pornography " , " stolen computers " ) is either blown out of proportion , or just the everyday sort of misconduct that gets people fired without making national news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hard to say.
But when you're in charge of a 5000 computer installation, any single decision you make can suddenly look ginormous.Imagine that, over the last ten years, the IT director has purchased 15,000 computers.
If he was unwittingly paying $70/box more than he could have, that's $1M right there.
If most of the computers are using only 10\% of their disk space (pretty common in a desktop work environment), you could argue that he bought well over $1M worth of worthless hard drive space.Or, if the computers are poorly configured, so that the computers waste ten minutes of each teacher's day for ten years, you get:(8500 students * 1 teacher / 30 students * 180 days * 10 years * 10 min/day * $12/60 min) = $1,020,000I'd better stop before I give the district more ideas.So, it's a pretty decent sized chunk of responsibility, and while we're only hearing the district's side, he really shouldn't have been running unnecessary software.
Too much is at stake to be playing.
But nothing about the SETI thing strikes me as worthy of criminal charges, and the other stuff ("pornography", "stolen computers") is either blown out of proportion, or just the everyday sort of misconduct that gets people fired without making national news.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306880</id>
	<title>Re:$5/machine? Depends on the machine...</title>
	<author>biryokumaru</author>
	<datestamp>1259596140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>What if the aliens have a cure? Duh.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What if the aliens have a cure ?
Duh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if the aliens have a cure?
Duh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30307362</id>
	<title>Re:Oops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259600460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You think thats bad when I worked for my brother I shit in the heating element of his Bunn coffee maker.</p><p>That was in the evening and I rigged the intercom to turn on with a light switch in the same room. So the next morning he came in and started up his coffee in the Bunn and I was there. So when the stench hit I flipped the light switch and Whoomp There It Is started playing over the intercom real loud and I was dancing to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You think thats bad when I worked for my brother I shit in the heating element of his Bunn coffee maker.That was in the evening and I rigged the intercom to turn on with a light switch in the same room .
So the next morning he came in and started up his coffee in the Bunn and I was there .
So when the stench hit I flipped the light switch and Whoomp There It Is started playing over the intercom real loud and I was dancing to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You think thats bad when I worked for my brother I shit in the heating element of his Bunn coffee maker.That was in the evening and I rigged the intercom to turn on with a light switch in the same room.
So the next morning he came in and started up his coffee in the Bunn and I was there.
So when the stench hit I flipped the light switch and Whoomp There It Is started playing over the intercom real loud and I was dancing to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302236</id>
	<title>Over the course of 10 years</title>
	<author>An anonymous Frank</author>
	<datestamp>1259574780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'Apparently, the alien-seeking software had been running since Niesluchowski was hired nearly 10 years ago.<br>"Basically our processors were hooked up and running 24 hours a day, 12 months a year, every day of the school year," Birdwell said.'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Apparently , the alien-seeking software had been running since Niesluchowski was hired nearly 10 years ago .
" Basically our processors were hooked up and running 24 hours a day , 12 months a year , every day of the school year , " Birdwell said .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Apparently, the alien-seeking software had been running since Niesluchowski was hired nearly 10 years ago.
"Basically our processors were hooked up and running 24 hours a day, 12 months a year, every day of the school year," Birdwell said.
'</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302700</id>
	<title>Re:Oops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259576100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's because of crappy Windows process scheduling and/or your computers were already slow to begin with.  Folding@Home is currently running on what would be known as Idle (nice 19) and is not disrupting anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's because of crappy Windows process scheduling and/or your computers were already slow to begin with .
Folding @ Home is currently running on what would be known as Idle ( nice 19 ) and is not disrupting anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's because of crappy Windows process scheduling and/or your computers were already slow to begin with.
Folding@Home is currently running on what would be known as Idle (nice 19) and is not disrupting anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302780</id>
	<title>Wait, he didn't have permission?</title>
	<author>slimjim8094</author>
	<datestamp>1259576460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I saw this guy on the boards I just assumed he did. I mean, who would be stupid enough to <i>not</i> ask for permission to run crap on computers you don't own, especially when it's at best orthogonal to the purpose of the machines? It's like if I were to run a personal webserver off the school's T3.</p><p>It sounds like this may not be the only issue, either. Apparently there was some theft involved as well?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I saw this guy on the boards I just assumed he did .
I mean , who would be stupid enough to not ask for permission to run crap on computers you do n't own , especially when it 's at best orthogonal to the purpose of the machines ?
It 's like if I were to run a personal webserver off the school 's T3.It sounds like this may not be the only issue , either .
Apparently there was some theft involved as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I saw this guy on the boards I just assumed he did.
I mean, who would be stupid enough to not ask for permission to run crap on computers you don't own, especially when it's at best orthogonal to the purpose of the machines?
It's like if I were to run a personal webserver off the school's T3.It sounds like this may not be the only issue, either.
Apparently there was some theft involved as well?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306924</id>
	<title>Re:AUP?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259596440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do realize that while ET intelligence is quite possible and arguably probable, it is almost definitely REALLY far away.  By the time any transmission gets here, it is going to be at LEAST hundreds of years old, it would take us AT LEAST an additional hundreds of years to send a message back politely asking for the cure for cancer and ANOTHER for them to (hopefully) send us the answer.</p><p>Yeah, I'll take my cure for cancer now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do realize that while ET intelligence is quite possible and arguably probable , it is almost definitely REALLY far away .
By the time any transmission gets here , it is going to be at LEAST hundreds of years old , it would take us AT LEAST an additional hundreds of years to send a message back politely asking for the cure for cancer and ANOTHER for them to ( hopefully ) send us the answer.Yeah , I 'll take my cure for cancer now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do realize that while ET intelligence is quite possible and arguably probable, it is almost definitely REALLY far away.
By the time any transmission gets here, it is going to be at LEAST hundreds of years old, it would take us AT LEAST an additional hundreds of years to send a message back politely asking for the cure for cancer and ANOTHER for them to (hopefully) send us the answer.Yeah, I'll take my cure for cancer now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308196</id>
	<title>Re:Ten years to find it on 5,000 computers?</title>
	<author>ArsenneLupin</author>
	<datestamp>1259872200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.</p></div><p>In the years before, Birdwell's crony was still studying, and so there was no need yet to free up Brad's chair before.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.In the years before , Birdwell 's crony was still studying , and so there was no need yet to free up Brad 's chair before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.In the years before, Birdwell's crony was still studying, and so there was no need yet to free up Brad's chair before.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302724</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>pezpunk</author>
	<datestamp>1259576220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no, this totalyl depends on the processor.  older processors (pentium3 and earlier) use pretty much the same wattage at idle as when peaked.  newer processors definitely use a lot less power when idel, though.</p><p>so if he was doing this for ten years, he didn't cost the schools anything (in power) for at least the first 5 years or so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no , this totalyl depends on the processor .
older processors ( pentium3 and earlier ) use pretty much the same wattage at idle as when peaked .
newer processors definitely use a lot less power when idel , though.so if he was doing this for ten years , he did n't cost the schools anything ( in power ) for at least the first 5 years or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no, this totalyl depends on the processor.
older processors (pentium3 and earlier) use pretty much the same wattage at idle as when peaked.
newer processors definitely use a lot less power when idel, though.so if he was doing this for ten years, he didn't cost the schools anything (in power) for at least the first 5 years or so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303000</id>
	<title>Re:Over the course of 10 years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259577180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait... you expect me to believe that the school district is so mind-bogglingly stupid that it leaves all the computers ON for 3 months while the kids and staff are on vacation?!? WTF?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait... you expect me to believe that the school district is so mind-bogglingly stupid that it leaves all the computers ON for 3 months while the kids and staff are on vacation ? ! ?
WTF ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait... you expect me to believe that the school district is so mind-bogglingly stupid that it leaves all the computers ON for 3 months while the kids and staff are on vacation?!?
WTF?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30307742</id>
	<title>Re:distributed.net key cracker - was Re:Oops</title>
	<author>citizenr</author>
	<datestamp>1259605740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>At work we have a large number of dual CPU/eight-core (16 with HT) machines with 24, 32 or 36GB running java VMs, and we notice there's a very big hit on performance if we try and run more than a few VMs on a machine</p></div><p>Thats what you get for using Intel and Windows for SMP work.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>At work we have a large number of dual CPU/eight-core ( 16 with HT ) machines with 24 , 32 or 36GB running java VMs , and we notice there 's a very big hit on performance if we try and run more than a few VMs on a machineThats what you get for using Intel and Windows for SMP work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At work we have a large number of dual CPU/eight-core (16 with HT) machines with 24, 32 or 36GB running java VMs, and we notice there's a very big hit on performance if we try and run more than a few VMs on a machineThats what you get for using Intel and Windows for SMP work.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304824</id>
	<title>Re:Tone of TFA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259583180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe SETI should sue the school district for slander?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe SETI should sue the school district for slander ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe SETI should sue the school district for slander?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302190</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302790</id>
	<title>That's cheap power!</title>
	<author>DaveAtWorkAnnoyingly</author>
	<datestamp>1259576460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>$.06 / kwh?! Wow, that's really cheap. Here in the UK I'm paying 6p / kwh, and I work for a nuclear generator and get "special" rates... Most people are paying over 12p...</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ .06 / kwh ? !
Wow , that 's really cheap .
Here in the UK I 'm paying 6p / kwh , and I work for a nuclear generator and get " special " rates... Most people are paying over 12p.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$.06 / kwh?!
Wow, that's really cheap.
Here in the UK I'm paying 6p / kwh, and I work for a nuclear generator and get "special" rates... Most people are paying over 12p...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302206</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302744</id>
	<title>baaaaloney</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1259576280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Birdwell said the massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts.</p></div><p>Well, actually -- they claimed $1.2--1.6 million.</p><p>The software is designed to run at the lowest priority, idle. It takes up 16-50MB of RAM while running. Given that most school labs only run web browsers, office applications, and low-quality educational games, I doubt the systems were running out of memory. Antivirus apps take up a lot more than that, as to most web browsers. So on the charge of "slowing down education programs in every classroom" -- no.</p><p>Regarding computer replacement parts -- not really. Those machines are going to sit there no matter what, and they will fail at the same rates regardless of what software is running on them. OTOH, if they were running 24/7 and that was being done only so SETI@Home could run, then yes -- replacement costs of fans and harddrives would have gone up.</p><p>Regarding utility costs -- they might have a point on this one.</p><p><b>Bandwidth</b>: Each SETI@Home work unit is about 0.25MB in size, padded to about 0.30MB with overhead they add to it. There aren't any stats I could find readily available online for how much network overhead is added to this, but let's say 0.35MB of bandwidth is used.  Unfortunately, there's no way for us to know how much processor power is available -- so I'm going to take an estimated guess and say about 5 hours per work unit. That seems to be in the ballpark from what I've read online. So I'm going to round up to an even 2MB per computer, per day.  He installed the software onto about 5,000 computers. That works out then to <i>9.7GB per day.</i> Or about 294.2GB per month (remember, 4.33- weeks in an average month). That might add up to, I don't know, a few hundred extra a month if they had a leased line and a poor contract. But it's paltry in comparison to the electricity costs.</p><p>How much power does the average computer take? <a href="http://techreviewer.com/viewpage.cfm/ui/040226130555" title="techreviewer.com">Answer</a> [techreviewer.com]. I'm going to say 80watts is pretty close. Again, just working with averages here and trying to get a ballpark figure. To convert this to a usable cost figure, we need to use these formulas: Watts=Amps*Volts Cost per hour= (Watts/1000)*(cents). Cents being the per kWh cost. This guy did this in Arizona, and conveniently enough, we know what the <a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5\_6\_a.html" title="doe.gov">average kWh cost in that state</a> [doe.gov] is: It's <i>10.4</i> right now. So, each computer, per day, uses 1.92 kWh of juice, if it runs 24/7. If they were programmed to go to standby during that time and didn't -- we'll say 16 hours of that day, or 1.27kWh, went to SETI@Home beyond what those computers would have spent otherwise. This doesn't take into consideration holidays, weekends, or anything else... Someone else could probably create a much better estimate than this without too much work, but I'm in a hurry and this is slashdot. 5,000 computers use 6,350kWh of extra juice per day doing Seti@Home, when they could have been powered off. That means $660.40 <i>per day</i> was being spent keeping these computers powered up. <i>That comes to just over $20 grand a month in electricity costs.</i></p><p>So, yeah... over the course of about four years, the costs could hit over a million dollars.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Birdwell said the massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $ 1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts.Well , actually -- they claimed $ 1.2--1.6 million.The software is designed to run at the lowest priority , idle .
It takes up 16-50MB of RAM while running .
Given that most school labs only run web browsers , office applications , and low-quality educational games , I doubt the systems were running out of memory .
Antivirus apps take up a lot more than that , as to most web browsers .
So on the charge of " slowing down education programs in every classroom " -- no.Regarding computer replacement parts -- not really .
Those machines are going to sit there no matter what , and they will fail at the same rates regardless of what software is running on them .
OTOH , if they were running 24/7 and that was being done only so SETI @ Home could run , then yes -- replacement costs of fans and harddrives would have gone up.Regarding utility costs -- they might have a point on this one.Bandwidth : Each SETI @ Home work unit is about 0.25MB in size , padded to about 0.30MB with overhead they add to it .
There are n't any stats I could find readily available online for how much network overhead is added to this , but let 's say 0.35MB of bandwidth is used .
Unfortunately , there 's no way for us to know how much processor power is available -- so I 'm going to take an estimated guess and say about 5 hours per work unit .
That seems to be in the ballpark from what I 've read online .
So I 'm going to round up to an even 2MB per computer , per day .
He installed the software onto about 5,000 computers .
That works out then to 9.7GB per day .
Or about 294.2GB per month ( remember , 4.33- weeks in an average month ) .
That might add up to , I do n't know , a few hundred extra a month if they had a leased line and a poor contract .
But it 's paltry in comparison to the electricity costs.How much power does the average computer take ?
Answer [ techreviewer.com ] .
I 'm going to say 80watts is pretty close .
Again , just working with averages here and trying to get a ballpark figure .
To convert this to a usable cost figure , we need to use these formulas : Watts = Amps * Volts Cost per hour = ( Watts/1000 ) * ( cents ) .
Cents being the per kWh cost .
This guy did this in Arizona , and conveniently enough , we know what the average kWh cost in that state [ doe.gov ] is : It 's 10.4 right now .
So , each computer , per day , uses 1.92 kWh of juice , if it runs 24/7 .
If they were programmed to go to standby during that time and did n't -- we 'll say 16 hours of that day , or 1.27kWh , went to SETI @ Home beyond what those computers would have spent otherwise .
This does n't take into consideration holidays , weekends , or anything else... Someone else could probably create a much better estimate than this without too much work , but I 'm in a hurry and this is slashdot .
5,000 computers use 6,350kWh of extra juice per day doing Seti @ Home , when they could have been powered off .
That means $ 660.40 per day was being spent keeping these computers powered up .
That comes to just over $ 20 grand a month in electricity costs.So , yeah... over the course of about four years , the costs could hit over a million dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Birdwell said the massive software slowed down educational programs in every classroom and cost the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts.Well, actually -- they claimed $1.2--1.6 million.The software is designed to run at the lowest priority, idle.
It takes up 16-50MB of RAM while running.
Given that most school labs only run web browsers, office applications, and low-quality educational games, I doubt the systems were running out of memory.
Antivirus apps take up a lot more than that, as to most web browsers.
So on the charge of "slowing down education programs in every classroom" -- no.Regarding computer replacement parts -- not really.
Those machines are going to sit there no matter what, and they will fail at the same rates regardless of what software is running on them.
OTOH, if they were running 24/7 and that was being done only so SETI@Home could run, then yes -- replacement costs of fans and harddrives would have gone up.Regarding utility costs -- they might have a point on this one.Bandwidth: Each SETI@Home work unit is about 0.25MB in size, padded to about 0.30MB with overhead they add to it.
There aren't any stats I could find readily available online for how much network overhead is added to this, but let's say 0.35MB of bandwidth is used.
Unfortunately, there's no way for us to know how much processor power is available -- so I'm going to take an estimated guess and say about 5 hours per work unit.
That seems to be in the ballpark from what I've read online.
So I'm going to round up to an even 2MB per computer, per day.
He installed the software onto about 5,000 computers.
That works out then to 9.7GB per day.
Or about 294.2GB per month (remember, 4.33- weeks in an average month).
That might add up to, I don't know, a few hundred extra a month if they had a leased line and a poor contract.
But it's paltry in comparison to the electricity costs.How much power does the average computer take?
Answer [techreviewer.com].
I'm going to say 80watts is pretty close.
Again, just working with averages here and trying to get a ballpark figure.
To convert this to a usable cost figure, we need to use these formulas: Watts=Amps*Volts Cost per hour= (Watts/1000)*(cents).
Cents being the per kWh cost.
This guy did this in Arizona, and conveniently enough, we know what the average kWh cost in that state [doe.gov] is: It's 10.4 right now.
So, each computer, per day, uses 1.92 kWh of juice, if it runs 24/7.
If they were programmed to go to standby during that time and didn't -- we'll say 16 hours of that day, or 1.27kWh, went to SETI@Home beyond what those computers would have spent otherwise.
This doesn't take into consideration holidays, weekends, or anything else... Someone else could probably create a much better estimate than this without too much work, but I'm in a hurry and this is slashdot.
5,000 computers use 6,350kWh of extra juice per day doing Seti@Home, when they could have been powered off.
That means $660.40 per day was being spent keeping these computers powered up.
That comes to just over $20 grand a month in electricity costs.So, yeah... over the course of about four years, the costs could hit over a million dollars.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303192</id>
	<title>Re:Ten years to find it on 5,000 computers?</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1259577660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.</p></div><p>Just wait until they discover the 'job security insurance daemon' he installed a month after seti@home<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;}</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.Just wait until they discover the 'job security insurance daemon ' he installed a month after seti @ home ; }</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.Just wait until they discover the 'job security insurance daemon' he installed a month after seti@home ;}
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30320250</id>
	<title>Sorry...</title>
	<author>brettz9</author>
	<datestamp>1259855460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IT phone home...</htmltext>
<tokenext>IT phone home.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IT phone home...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303746</id>
	<title>Re:Ten years to find it on 5,000 computers?</title>
	<author>jollyreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1259579460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.</p></div><p>Said someone posting from what's probably a business.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.Said someone posting from what 's probably a business .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only a school district or the government could have taken 10 years to find a CPU hog running on 5,000 computers.Said someone posting from what's probably a business.
:)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302140</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30308158</id>
	<title>Flamebait</title>
	<author>TRRosen</author>
	<datestamp>1259871600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Has to be said</p><p>When will they start firing administrators for installing Windows!?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has to be saidWhen will they start firing administrators for installing Windows !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has to be saidWhen will they start firing administrators for installing Windows!
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304492</id>
	<title>Re:$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259582100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry guys, I thought I locked Grampa AC in his room without his laptop.

Yes, Grampa, I know they didn't in your day, but the modern processors
clock down to save power when they are idle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry guys , I thought I locked Grampa AC in his room without his laptop .
Yes , Grampa , I know they did n't in your day , but the modern processors clock down to save power when they are idle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry guys, I thought I locked Grampa AC in his room without his laptop.
Yes, Grampa, I know they didn't in your day, but the modern processors
clock down to save power when they are idle.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302582</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30304536</id>
	<title>Re:He also had equipment from the school at his ho</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259582220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never met a sysadmin that DIDN'T have business equipment at home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never met a sysadmin that DID N'T have business equipment at home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never met a sysadmin that DIDN'T have business equipment at home.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302124</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306942</id>
	<title>Re:He also had equipment from the school at his ho</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259596620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The other article linked here really should be in the story: <a href="http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/11/30/20091130searchforaliens1202.html" title="azcentral.com" rel="nofollow">Higley firing tied to alien-search software</a> [azcentral.com]. This one makes it pretty clear that the guy was fired because he's a bad employee and a lousy manager, not because he wants to find aliens.</p><p>Quite frankly, it's a little annoying that the OP's story only mentions "ET". That's irresponsible reporting, and it's why newspapers are folding all over the country; when your reporters can't even write a proper, coherent, unbiased story, people go elsewhere for their news.</p></div><p>I thought the exact same thing. One sentence could have explained what exactly the software does.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The other article linked here really should be in the story : Higley firing tied to alien-search software [ azcentral.com ] .
This one makes it pretty clear that the guy was fired because he 's a bad employee and a lousy manager , not because he wants to find aliens.Quite frankly , it 's a little annoying that the OP 's story only mentions " ET " .
That 's irresponsible reporting , and it 's why newspapers are folding all over the country ; when your reporters ca n't even write a proper , coherent , unbiased story , people go elsewhere for their news.I thought the exact same thing .
One sentence could have explained what exactly the software does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The other article linked here really should be in the story: Higley firing tied to alien-search software [azcentral.com].
This one makes it pretty clear that the guy was fired because he's a bad employee and a lousy manager, not because he wants to find aliens.Quite frankly, it's a little annoying that the OP's story only mentions "ET".
That's irresponsible reporting, and it's why newspapers are folding all over the country; when your reporters can't even write a proper, coherent, unbiased story, people go elsewhere for their news.I thought the exact same thing.
One sentence could have explained what exactly the software does.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302616</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303810</id>
	<title>Talk about not getting it....</title>
	<author>rickb928</author>
	<datestamp>1259579700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... he may as well have installed <a href="http://www.webshots.com/" title="webshots.com" rel="nofollow">Webshots</a> [webshots.com] on each machine.  Why is this wrong?</p><p>- Near-constant background data transfers not related to any business need.  This costs bandwidth, and competes with legitimate business needs for bandwidth.  School systems do not have infinite bandwidth.</p><p>- Excess cycles consumed during idle time, costing power, creating unnecessary heat load, etc.  In Arizona, heatload is $$$ flying out the A/C system.</p><p>- Unauhorized software, risking compromise and potential data loss without any business need or benefit.  If you are going to install software on a machine, in a school environment, you should be prepared to explain why every single application has a genuine business purpose.  This causes two subordinate problems:</p><p>1. Installing unauthorized software risks damage for non-business-related causes, and cannot be excused.<br>2. Installing non-business-related software tends to give users the impression that they can also install unnecessary software, which has obvious implications.</p><p>However you feel about SETI, this administrator just made a serious error.  Sadly, he deserves to be let go.  If for no other reason, but his successor will now be scouring the system for other problems, real or imagined.  Many hours of unnecessary effort, if his predecessor had just done the right thing in the first place.</p><p>Any bets on what the technology committee would have said if he proposed this to them?</p><p>ps - I doubt all the machines were left on 24x7, unless this ignat instructed them to do so.  Wasteful.  Sad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... he may as well have installed Webshots [ webshots.com ] on each machine .
Why is this wrong ? - Near-constant background data transfers not related to any business need .
This costs bandwidth , and competes with legitimate business needs for bandwidth .
School systems do not have infinite bandwidth.- Excess cycles consumed during idle time , costing power , creating unnecessary heat load , etc .
In Arizona , heatload is $ $ $ flying out the A/C system.- Unauhorized software , risking compromise and potential data loss without any business need or benefit .
If you are going to install software on a machine , in a school environment , you should be prepared to explain why every single application has a genuine business purpose .
This causes two subordinate problems : 1 .
Installing unauthorized software risks damage for non-business-related causes , and can not be excused.2 .
Installing non-business-related software tends to give users the impression that they can also install unnecessary software , which has obvious implications.However you feel about SETI , this administrator just made a serious error .
Sadly , he deserves to be let go .
If for no other reason , but his successor will now be scouring the system for other problems , real or imagined .
Many hours of unnecessary effort , if his predecessor had just done the right thing in the first place.Any bets on what the technology committee would have said if he proposed this to them ? ps - I doubt all the machines were left on 24x7 , unless this ignat instructed them to do so .
Wasteful. Sad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... he may as well have installed Webshots [webshots.com] on each machine.
Why is this wrong?- Near-constant background data transfers not related to any business need.
This costs bandwidth, and competes with legitimate business needs for bandwidth.
School systems do not have infinite bandwidth.- Excess cycles consumed during idle time, costing power, creating unnecessary heat load, etc.
In Arizona, heatload is $$$ flying out the A/C system.- Unauhorized software, risking compromise and potential data loss without any business need or benefit.
If you are going to install software on a machine, in a school environment, you should be prepared to explain why every single application has a genuine business purpose.
This causes two subordinate problems:1.
Installing unauthorized software risks damage for non-business-related causes, and cannot be excused.2.
Installing non-business-related software tends to give users the impression that they can also install unnecessary software, which has obvious implications.However you feel about SETI, this administrator just made a serious error.
Sadly, he deserves to be let go.
If for no other reason, but his successor will now be scouring the system for other problems, real or imagined.
Many hours of unnecessary effort, if his predecessor had just done the right thing in the first place.Any bets on what the technology committee would have said if he proposed this to them?ps - I doubt all the machines were left on 24x7, unless this ignat instructed them to do so.
Wasteful.  Sad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303666</id>
	<title>Re:$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259579160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have a utility that shows the temp of your processors, check when running seti and when not running seti.  They definitely get hotter when you are running processor intensive programs.  More heat means more power use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have a utility that shows the temp of your processors , check when running seti and when not running seti .
They definitely get hotter when you are running processor intensive programs .
More heat means more power use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have a utility that shows the temp of your processors, check when running seti and when not running seti.
They definitely get hotter when you are running processor intensive programs.
More heat means more power use.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302582</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303120</id>
	<title>Re:Fucking dickhead</title>
	<author>Achromatic1978</author>
	<datestamp>1259577480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Especially not somewhere that's funded by public money. I don't pay my taxes to waste them on looking for spacemen.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Actually you do. Where do you think that data comes from? Hint, the names of those places often have the structure "X National Observatory"...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially not somewhere that 's funded by public money .
I do n't pay my taxes to waste them on looking for spacemen .
Actually you do .
Where do you think that data comes from ?
Hint , the names of those places often have the structure " X National Observatory " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially not somewhere that's funded by public money.
I don't pay my taxes to waste them on looking for spacemen.
Actually you do.
Where do you think that data comes from?
Hint, the names of those places often have the structure "X National Observatory"...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302150</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302264</id>
	<title>Re:Oops</title>
	<author>gregarican</author>
	<datestamp>1259574840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dear Brother,<p>
Now the truth comes out. Okay, enough. Pack up your shit and get out.
Now.</p><p>
Sincerely,</p><p>
Your Brother</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear Brother , Now the truth comes out .
Okay , enough .
Pack up your shit and get out .
Now . Sincerely , Your Brother</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear Brother,
Now the truth comes out.
Okay, enough.
Pack up your shit and get out.
Now.
Sincerely,
Your Brother</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302060</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30326708</id>
	<title>Re:SETI</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1259954940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Seriously, I don't believe in aliens beyond movies</p></div><p>Really? There are an estimated <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable\_universe" title="wikipedia.org">9*10^21 stars in the observable universe</a> [wikipedia.org], and you're of the opinion that we're on the only planet that's ever managed to evolve life? I don't think Little Green Men are coming here to mutilate our cows, but I find the position that there aren't LGM <em>anywhere</em> to be utterly ludicrous.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , I do n't believe in aliens beyond moviesReally ?
There are an estimated 9 * 10 ^ 21 stars in the observable universe [ wikipedia.org ] , and you 're of the opinion that we 're on the only planet that 's ever managed to evolve life ?
I do n't think Little Green Men are coming here to mutilate our cows , but I find the position that there are n't LGM anywhere to be utterly ludicrous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, I don't believe in aliens beyond moviesReally?
There are an estimated 9*10^21 stars in the observable universe [wikipedia.org], and you're of the opinion that we're on the only planet that's ever managed to evolve life?
I don't think Little Green Men are coming here to mutilate our cows, but I find the position that there aren't LGM anywhere to be utterly ludicrous.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30305890</id>
	<title>Re:Oops</title>
	<author>Pyrion</author>
	<datestamp>1259588340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then you did it wrong.</p><p>If you configured the CLI as a windows service set to idle priority, they wouldn't have noticed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then you did it wrong.If you configured the CLI as a windows service set to idle priority , they would n't have noticed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then you did it wrong.If you configured the CLI as a windows service set to idle priority, they wouldn't have noticed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30306770</id>
	<title>Re:AUP?</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1259594940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing that has always bugged me about SETI is that after decades of scientifically-rigorous research, nothing has been found yet to even hint at the existence of extraterrestrial life as we define it. If we never find E.T., it may be because our definition of "life" is too narrow, or  because there's really nothing else out there other than stars, black holes, and other mundane phenomena. It doesn't matter. Putting your own personal time and resources into SETI is like playing an intergalactic lottery: the payoff is mind-bogglingly huge, but the chance is winning is mind-bogglingly small. (I could expound upon the lottery analogy to further discuss why SETI is so attractive from a psychological perspective, but I think you get the point.)</p><p>If SETI@Home were the only thing out there that I could put my unused cycles towards processing, I might go for it. But the fact is that there are plenty of other distributed computing projects that are generating data which is useful to scientists (and by extension, everyone) right <i>now</i>.</p><p>They're just not quite as glamorous as finding E.T.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing that has always bugged me about SETI is that after decades of scientifically-rigorous research , nothing has been found yet to even hint at the existence of extraterrestrial life as we define it .
If we never find E.T. , it may be because our definition of " life " is too narrow , or because there 's really nothing else out there other than stars , black holes , and other mundane phenomena .
It does n't matter .
Putting your own personal time and resources into SETI is like playing an intergalactic lottery : the payoff is mind-bogglingly huge , but the chance is winning is mind-bogglingly small .
( I could expound upon the lottery analogy to further discuss why SETI is so attractive from a psychological perspective , but I think you get the point .
) If SETI @ Home were the only thing out there that I could put my unused cycles towards processing , I might go for it .
But the fact is that there are plenty of other distributed computing projects that are generating data which is useful to scientists ( and by extension , everyone ) right now.They 're just not quite as glamorous as finding E.T .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing that has always bugged me about SETI is that after decades of scientifically-rigorous research, nothing has been found yet to even hint at the existence of extraterrestrial life as we define it.
If we never find E.T., it may be because our definition of "life" is too narrow, or  because there's really nothing else out there other than stars, black holes, and other mundane phenomena.
It doesn't matter.
Putting your own personal time and resources into SETI is like playing an intergalactic lottery: the payoff is mind-bogglingly huge, but the chance is winning is mind-bogglingly small.
(I could expound upon the lottery analogy to further discuss why SETI is so attractive from a psychological perspective, but I think you get the point.
)If SETI@Home were the only thing out there that I could put my unused cycles towards processing, I might go for it.
But the fact is that there are plenty of other distributed computing projects that are generating data which is useful to scientists (and by extension, everyone) right now.They're just not quite as glamorous as finding E.T.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30307780</id>
	<title>setijoke: congratulations, alien life found!</title>
	<author>aberson</author>
	<datestamp>1259606160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://monzy.org/seti/" title="monzy.org">http://monzy.org/seti/</a> [monzy.org]</p><p>"after a bit of VB coding, I had this nifty little program running on a coworker's computer (we'll call him "Klif" to protect his identity).  It worked like a charm -- when I came in the next morning, Klif told me rather excitedly that his computer had discovered extraterrestrial life."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //monzy.org/seti/ [ monzy.org ] " after a bit of VB coding , I had this nifty little program running on a coworker 's computer ( we 'll call him " Klif " to protect his identity ) .
It worked like a charm -- when I came in the next morning , Klif told me rather excitedly that his computer had discovered extraterrestrial life .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://monzy.org/seti/ [monzy.org]"after a bit of VB coding, I had this nifty little program running on a coworker's computer (we'll call him "Klif" to protect his identity).
It worked like a charm -- when I came in the next morning, Klif told me rather excitedly that his computer had discovered extraterrestrial life.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30309020</id>
	<title>Re:He also had equipment from the school at his ho</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259843460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Newspapers aren't folding all over the country because people are looking for unbiased news... newspapers are folding because now people can search the Internet for news sources <i>biased according to their tastes</i>.  People don't generally gravitate toward objectivity; they gravitate toward people whose subjectivity is most similar to their own (or loudest/most convincing, which believe it or not ARE synonyms).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Newspapers are n't folding all over the country because people are looking for unbiased news... newspapers are folding because now people can search the Internet for news sources biased according to their tastes .
People do n't generally gravitate toward objectivity ; they gravitate toward people whose subjectivity is most similar to their own ( or loudest/most convincing , which believe it or not ARE synonyms ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Newspapers aren't folding all over the country because people are looking for unbiased news... newspapers are folding because now people can search the Internet for news sources biased according to their tastes.
People don't generally gravitate toward objectivity; they gravitate toward people whose subjectivity is most similar to their own (or loudest/most convincing, which believe it or not ARE synonyms).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302694</id>
	<title>distributed.net key cracker - was Re:Oops</title>
	<author>speculatrix</author>
	<datestamp>1259576040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I used to set up dnetc on many machines, it caused the machines to run flat-out all the time, using more electricity as well as more cooling. Whilst it did only use up otherwise unused CPU cycles, it definitely had an impact on performance for higher priority processes. Modern CPUs run very fast and depend on their caches to maintain performance, and any context switching and loading other apps, even small ones, eats up memory bandwidth as well as CPU cycles. I think this goes relatively unnoticed as most people naively count CPU cycle ratios between processes.
<br>
<br>
At work we have a large number of dual CPU/eight-core (16 with HT) machines with 24, 32 or 36GB running java VMs, and we notice there's a very big hit on performance if we try and run more than a few VMs on a machine, almost certainly due to loss of cache efficiency; this performance loss doesn't particularly show up in simply looking for CPU cycles used by the OS!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to set up dnetc on many machines , it caused the machines to run flat-out all the time , using more electricity as well as more cooling .
Whilst it did only use up otherwise unused CPU cycles , it definitely had an impact on performance for higher priority processes .
Modern CPUs run very fast and depend on their caches to maintain performance , and any context switching and loading other apps , even small ones , eats up memory bandwidth as well as CPU cycles .
I think this goes relatively unnoticed as most people naively count CPU cycle ratios between processes .
At work we have a large number of dual CPU/eight-core ( 16 with HT ) machines with 24 , 32 or 36GB running java VMs , and we notice there 's a very big hit on performance if we try and run more than a few VMs on a machine , almost certainly due to loss of cache efficiency ; this performance loss does n't particularly show up in simply looking for CPU cycles used by the OS !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to set up dnetc on many machines, it caused the machines to run flat-out all the time, using more electricity as well as more cooling.
Whilst it did only use up otherwise unused CPU cycles, it definitely had an impact on performance for higher priority processes.
Modern CPUs run very fast and depend on their caches to maintain performance, and any context switching and loading other apps, even small ones, eats up memory bandwidth as well as CPU cycles.
I think this goes relatively unnoticed as most people naively count CPU cycle ratios between processes.
At work we have a large number of dual CPU/eight-core (16 with HT) machines with 24, 32 or 36GB running java VMs, and we notice there's a very big hit on performance if we try and run more than a few VMs on a machine, almost certainly due to loss of cache efficiency; this performance loss doesn't particularly show up in simply looking for CPU cycles used by the OS!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30305830</id>
	<title>Re:baaaaloney</title>
	<author>Sabriel</author>
	<datestamp>1259587860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've read claims that the school policy was to keep the machines on 24/7 and the tech department's proposal to automate shutting down the machines overnight (to the tune of saving $90K/year) was rejected. If that's true, the school is standing on one foot (having shot themselves in the other).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've read claims that the school policy was to keep the machines on 24/7 and the tech department 's proposal to automate shutting down the machines overnight ( to the tune of saving $ 90K/year ) was rejected .
If that 's true , the school is standing on one foot ( having shot themselves in the other ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've read claims that the school policy was to keep the machines on 24/7 and the tech department's proposal to automate shutting down the machines overnight (to the tune of saving $90K/year) was rejected.
If that's true, the school is standing on one foot (having shot themselves in the other).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302228</id>
	<title>Re:5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>MartijnL</author>
	<datestamp>1259574780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, because those CPU's are now running 100\% load all the time. So no speedstepping down to a couple of hundred Mhz and saving power that way (which can be a lot).

Plus he probably left them running 24x7.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , because those CPU 's are now running 100 \ % load all the time .
So no speedstepping down to a couple of hundred Mhz and saving power that way ( which can be a lot ) .
Plus he probably left them running 24x7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, because those CPU's are now running 100\% load all the time.
So no speedstepping down to a couple of hundred Mhz and saving power that way (which can be a lot).
Plus he probably left them running 24x7.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302006</id>
	<title>first@home</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259574180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>first@home</htmltext>
<tokenext>first @ home</tokentext>
<sentencetext>first@home</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30313118</id>
	<title>Re:SETI</title>
	<author>david\_thornley</author>
	<datestamp>1259866020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
On the assumption that you're serious...
</p><p>
What do you mean "I don't believe in aliens"?  If you have somehow acquired a conviction that there isn't intelligent life except maybe here on Earth, then all I can say is that most intelligent people disagree with you.  If you mean that you haven't seen good evidence that it exists,
but you're willing to believe it might, then you pretty much agree with most of us.  What we've got is one planet to examine fairly thoroughly, one star and a few other planets to look but only very rarely maybe touch, a whole lot of stars to look at from way far away, and some plausible theories and assumptions.  There's no way we can safely generalize from that.
</p><p>
And, of course, an intelligent extraterrestrial civilization might well not be sending anything our way, for a large variety of reasons.
</p><p>
So, we're looking in a very large haystack for a needle that might or might not be in there, which probably looks like a piece of hay, and may be intentionally camoflauged, or in another haystack.  Moreover, we've been looking for quite a few years without success.  Obviously, the chance of finding anything is rather low.
</p><p>
However, if we did find intelligent life out there, we'd be able to start communicating with it fairly fast, and we could learn an immense amount of stuff.  I'd love to have some idea as to the psychology, philosophy, and religion (if any) of another intelligent species.  Just being able to compare notes on respective solar systems would be extremely informative.  With our present knowledge of physics, we have reasonable assurances that they won't be able to physically get anything harmful to us for a very long time.
</p><p>
Think of it as paying for lottery tickets with CPU cycles.  Most likely, they're wasted.  There's a very small chance of a really big payoff.  Unlike the Powerball, the odds and payoff are pretty much unknown.
</p><p>
If you install this, and happen to process the right data through sheer chance, you'll get your name in the history books as the discoverer, and you'll have helped your species with something extremely significant.  Some people like to spend CPU cycles on this possibility, much as some people buy the occasional lottery ticket so they can daydream about getting rich.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the assumption that you 're serious.. . What do you mean " I do n't believe in aliens " ?
If you have somehow acquired a conviction that there is n't intelligent life except maybe here on Earth , then all I can say is that most intelligent people disagree with you .
If you mean that you have n't seen good evidence that it exists , but you 're willing to believe it might , then you pretty much agree with most of us .
What we 've got is one planet to examine fairly thoroughly , one star and a few other planets to look but only very rarely maybe touch , a whole lot of stars to look at from way far away , and some plausible theories and assumptions .
There 's no way we can safely generalize from that .
And , of course , an intelligent extraterrestrial civilization might well not be sending anything our way , for a large variety of reasons .
So , we 're looking in a very large haystack for a needle that might or might not be in there , which probably looks like a piece of hay , and may be intentionally camoflauged , or in another haystack .
Moreover , we 've been looking for quite a few years without success .
Obviously , the chance of finding anything is rather low .
However , if we did find intelligent life out there , we 'd be able to start communicating with it fairly fast , and we could learn an immense amount of stuff .
I 'd love to have some idea as to the psychology , philosophy , and religion ( if any ) of another intelligent species .
Just being able to compare notes on respective solar systems would be extremely informative .
With our present knowledge of physics , we have reasonable assurances that they wo n't be able to physically get anything harmful to us for a very long time .
Think of it as paying for lottery tickets with CPU cycles .
Most likely , they 're wasted .
There 's a very small chance of a really big payoff .
Unlike the Powerball , the odds and payoff are pretty much unknown .
If you install this , and happen to process the right data through sheer chance , you 'll get your name in the history books as the discoverer , and you 'll have helped your species with something extremely significant .
Some people like to spend CPU cycles on this possibility , much as some people buy the occasional lottery ticket so they can daydream about getting rich .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
On the assumption that you're serious...

What do you mean "I don't believe in aliens"?
If you have somehow acquired a conviction that there isn't intelligent life except maybe here on Earth, then all I can say is that most intelligent people disagree with you.
If you mean that you haven't seen good evidence that it exists,
but you're willing to believe it might, then you pretty much agree with most of us.
What we've got is one planet to examine fairly thoroughly, one star and a few other planets to look but only very rarely maybe touch, a whole lot of stars to look at from way far away, and some plausible theories and assumptions.
There's no way we can safely generalize from that.
And, of course, an intelligent extraterrestrial civilization might well not be sending anything our way, for a large variety of reasons.
So, we're looking in a very large haystack for a needle that might or might not be in there, which probably looks like a piece of hay, and may be intentionally camoflauged, or in another haystack.
Moreover, we've been looking for quite a few years without success.
Obviously, the chance of finding anything is rather low.
However, if we did find intelligent life out there, we'd be able to start communicating with it fairly fast, and we could learn an immense amount of stuff.
I'd love to have some idea as to the psychology, philosophy, and religion (if any) of another intelligent species.
Just being able to compare notes on respective solar systems would be extremely informative.
With our present knowledge of physics, we have reasonable assurances that they won't be able to physically get anything harmful to us for a very long time.
Think of it as paying for lottery tickets with CPU cycles.
Most likely, they're wasted.
There's a very small chance of a really big payoff.
Unlike the Powerball, the odds and payoff are pretty much unknown.
If you install this, and happen to process the right data through sheer chance, you'll get your name in the history books as the discoverer, and you'll have helped your species with something extremely significant.
Some people like to spend CPU cycles on this possibility, much as some people buy the occasional lottery ticket so they can daydream about getting rich.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302076</id>
	<title>5,000 machines, US$1M</title>
	<author>ChipMonk</author>
	<datestamp>1259574360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That works out to about $200 per machine. In what, electricity from no CPU idle?<br> <br>

Other than that, I don't see where S@H costs any more on a system than the resource hog called "Windows Vista".</htmltext>
<tokenext>That works out to about $ 200 per machine .
In what , electricity from no CPU idle ?
Other than that , I do n't see where S @ H costs any more on a system than the resource hog called " Windows Vista " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That works out to about $200 per machine.
In what, electricity from no CPU idle?
Other than that, I don't see where S@H costs any more on a system than the resource hog called "Windows Vista".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30316004</id>
	<title>Re:$1 Million... Really?</title>
	<author>dougmc</author>
	<datestamp>1259834160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Power consumption isn't linear.</p></div><p>Few things are truly linear, but I don't think that's the appropriate term there.  `Constant' would fit better.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Power consumption is n't linear.Few things are truly linear , but I do n't think that 's the appropriate term there .
` Constant ' would fit better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Power consumption isn't linear.Few things are truly linear, but I don't think that's the appropriate term there.
`Constant' would fit better.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30305660</id>
	<title>SETI@Jail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259586960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SETI@home is a flaming piece of animal feces mixed with burnt hair.</p><p>when SETI is running, CPU usage is ALWAYS at 100\%, which means energy consumption is at 100\%, which means that 5000 PCs were running using max power consumption for 10 fucking years non-stop!<br>This idiot should get life in prison without parole, and maybe some assrape for good measure. Any retard with half a brain knows that analyzing static from space in the hopes of finding an alien to have sex with is fucking retarded. This guy is on par with richard heene and baloon boy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SETI @ home is a flaming piece of animal feces mixed with burnt hair.when SETI is running , CPU usage is ALWAYS at 100 \ % , which means energy consumption is at 100 \ % , which means that 5000 PCs were running using max power consumption for 10 fucking years non-stop ! This idiot should get life in prison without parole , and maybe some assrape for good measure .
Any retard with half a brain knows that analyzing static from space in the hopes of finding an alien to have sex with is fucking retarded .
This guy is on par with richard heene and baloon boy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SETI@home is a flaming piece of animal feces mixed with burnt hair.when SETI is running, CPU usage is ALWAYS at 100\%, which means energy consumption is at 100\%, which means that 5000 PCs were running using max power consumption for 10 fucking years non-stop!This idiot should get life in prison without parole, and maybe some assrape for good measure.
Any retard with half a brain knows that analyzing static from space in the hopes of finding an alien to have sex with is fucking retarded.
This guy is on par with richard heene and baloon boy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30305854</id>
	<title>Re:Stop wasting our electricity, Fox Mulder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259588040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate it when use phrases like "are we alone?". There are nearly 7 billion of us on this planet. We are not alone. We just need to stop being dicks to each other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate it when use phrases like " are we alone ? " .
There are nearly 7 billion of us on this planet .
We are not alone .
We just need to stop being dicks to each other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate it when use phrases like "are we alone?".
There are nearly 7 billion of us on this planet.
We are not alone.
We just need to stop being dicks to each other.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30303148</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302360</id>
	<title>$1,000,000 for 5000 machines not utterly nutty</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259575140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you figure the electricity, air conditioning, bandwidth, and costs of disk replacements due to wear and tear across 5000 machines for a few years, $1,000,000 is not as outrageous as you might expect. It really does add up in a big environment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you figure the electricity , air conditioning , bandwidth , and costs of disk replacements due to wear and tear across 5000 machines for a few years , $ 1,000,000 is not as outrageous as you might expect .
It really does add up in a big environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you figure the electricity, air conditioning, bandwidth, and costs of disk replacements due to wear and tear across 5000 machines for a few years, $1,000,000 is not as outrageous as you might expect.
It really does add up in a big environment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_12_02_2029202.30302716</id>
	<title>Re:1 million in damage?</title>
	<author>jroysdon</author>
	<datestamp>1259576160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I don't know what the calculations are, but take: CPU @ idle vs CPU @ 100\% and find out the power supply usage difference (which will also include running the power supply and cpu fans all the time as well, plus extra hard drive spin-up to store the calculation downloads and reads), times 5000 PCs times 10 years.</p><p>50,000 "PC Years" only requires using an extra $20/PC/year in power to get to $1M.  That's not unbelievable.</p><p>One could argue that if the PCs were properly configured with power saving methods, they should suspend when not in use for a certain amount of time, and hibernate after that.  I do this with PCs that benefit from it.  Even if they weren't configured to do this, I'd bet that running a CPU at 100\% 24/7 vs a CPU at idle easily runs up $20/year/PC.</p><p>I'm sorry, but unless you pay the power bill or personally own a company (corporations aren't owned by people, people own stock in them, and the Exces duties are to maximize shareholder profits, and wasting power isn't one of them), then you shouldn't be running any CPU utilities like this without testing the extra power that will be consumed and having that bill increase explicitly signed off by those in charge.</p><p>I'm sure most places might like the idea of running Cancer-solving stuff on their CPUs (or so the article claims), but if they saw that it would cost them an extra $10/year per PC, times 5000 PCs, they'd probably decide against that $10,000 expense.  As nice as it may be, it's a misuse of taxpayer money.</p><p>My guess is that he did have a verbal OK from one of the folks in charge before, but he didn't have it in writing, and the new folk(s) in charge have an axe to grind and wanted him gone.  This is the only thing they could find.</p><p>It's pretty harmless, until you do the math times 50,000 PC years.  I agree, something like this just needs to be corrected.  If he can't prove he had approval, it should be a disciplinary action, not something one could be terminated for.</p><p>Tests you could do to decide would be: was this done in a sneaky fashion and not known to others?  Doesn't sound like it if he had a verbal OK from the previous chief.  Also, does this violate any policy?  Most likely it doesn't, since he was authorized to install software (see question #1) vs. an average student would probably be violating policy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know what the calculations are , but take : CPU @ idle vs CPU @ 100 \ % and find out the power supply usage difference ( which will also include running the power supply and cpu fans all the time as well , plus extra hard drive spin-up to store the calculation downloads and reads ) , times 5000 PCs times 10 years.50,000 " PC Years " only requires using an extra $ 20/PC/year in power to get to $ 1M .
That 's not unbelievable.One could argue that if the PCs were properly configured with power saving methods , they should suspend when not in use for a certain amount of time , and hibernate after that .
I do this with PCs that benefit from it .
Even if they were n't configured to do this , I 'd bet that running a CPU at 100 \ % 24/7 vs a CPU at idle easily runs up $ 20/year/PC.I 'm sorry , but unless you pay the power bill or personally own a company ( corporations are n't owned by people , people own stock in them , and the Exces duties are to maximize shareholder profits , and wasting power is n't one of them ) , then you should n't be running any CPU utilities like this without testing the extra power that will be consumed and having that bill increase explicitly signed off by those in charge.I 'm sure most places might like the idea of running Cancer-solving stuff on their CPUs ( or so the article claims ) , but if they saw that it would cost them an extra $ 10/year per PC , times 5000 PCs , they 'd probably decide against that $ 10,000 expense .
As nice as it may be , it 's a misuse of taxpayer money.My guess is that he did have a verbal OK from one of the folks in charge before , but he did n't have it in writing , and the new folk ( s ) in charge have an axe to grind and wanted him gone .
This is the only thing they could find.It 's pretty harmless , until you do the math times 50,000 PC years .
I agree , something like this just needs to be corrected .
If he ca n't prove he had approval , it should be a disciplinary action , not something one could be terminated for.Tests you could do to decide would be : was this done in a sneaky fashion and not known to others ?
Does n't sound like it if he had a verbal OK from the previous chief .
Also , does this violate any policy ?
Most likely it does n't , since he was authorized to install software ( see question # 1 ) vs. an average student would probably be violating policy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know what the calculations are, but take: CPU @ idle vs CPU @ 100\% and find out the power supply usage difference (which will also include running the power supply and cpu fans all the time as well, plus extra hard drive spin-up to store the calculation downloads and reads), times 5000 PCs times 10 years.50,000 "PC Years" only requires using an extra $20/PC/year in power to get to $1M.
That's not unbelievable.One could argue that if the PCs were properly configured with power saving methods, they should suspend when not in use for a certain amount of time, and hibernate after that.
I do this with PCs that benefit from it.
Even if they weren't configured to do this, I'd bet that running a CPU at 100\% 24/7 vs a CPU at idle easily runs up $20/year/PC.I'm sorry, but unless you pay the power bill or personally own a company (corporations aren't owned by people, people own stock in them, and the Exces duties are to maximize shareholder profits, and wasting power isn't one of them), then you shouldn't be running any CPU utilities like this without testing the extra power that will be consumed and having that bill increase explicitly signed off by those in charge.I'm sure most places might like the idea of running Cancer-solving stuff on their CPUs (or so the article claims), but if they saw that it would cost them an extra $10/year per PC, times 5000 PCs, they'd probably decide against that $10,000 expense.
As nice as it may be, it's a misuse of taxpayer money.My guess is that he did have a verbal OK from one of the folks in charge before, but he didn't have it in writing, and the new folk(s) in charge have an axe to grind and wanted him gone.
This is the only thing they could find.It's pretty harmless, until you do the math times 50,000 PC years.
I agree, something like this just needs to be corrected.
If he can't prove he had approval, it should be a disciplinary action, not something one could be terminated for.Tests you could do to decide would be: was this done in a sneaky fashion and not known to others?
Doesn't sound like it if he had a verbal OK from the previous chief.
Also, does this violate any policy?
Most likely it doesn't, since he was authorized to install software (see question #1) vs. an average student would probably be violating policy.</sentencetext>
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	<title>I know why</title>
	<author>The Rizz</author>
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	<htmltext><p>I'll bet that you were running it on some of the older P4 machines with HyperThreading. If you have HT turned on, idle processing will NEVER work right under Windows, and it will cause the types of slowdowns you saw. (I experienced the exact same thing with Folding@home when I installed it on a P4 w/ HT.)</p><p>Here's why: Hyperthreading uses a single core, but presents itself to the OS as multiple processors. If you run power-hungry software that uses 100\% of the CPU time, it actually shows up to Windows as using 50\% time on two processors. Add in something that runs in idle mode (like the @home programs), and they see 50\% unused processor time - so they go ahead and fill up that other 50\% - which puts the processor's ACTUAL usage to 200\% - causing everything to run at half speed.</p><p>Yes, this is an over-simplified and not-exactly-right explanation, but it's close enough to the observed reality to suffice.</p><p>In any case, turn off hyperthreading and run it again, and you'll have no, or very little, slowdown.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll bet that you were running it on some of the older P4 machines with HyperThreading .
If you have HT turned on , idle processing will NEVER work right under Windows , and it will cause the types of slowdowns you saw .
( I experienced the exact same thing with Folding @ home when I installed it on a P4 w/ HT .
) Here 's why : Hyperthreading uses a single core , but presents itself to the OS as multiple processors .
If you run power-hungry software that uses 100 \ % of the CPU time , it actually shows up to Windows as using 50 \ % time on two processors .
Add in something that runs in idle mode ( like the @ home programs ) , and they see 50 \ % unused processor time - so they go ahead and fill up that other 50 \ % - which puts the processor 's ACTUAL usage to 200 \ % - causing everything to run at half speed.Yes , this is an over-simplified and not-exactly-right explanation , but it 's close enough to the observed reality to suffice.In any case , turn off hyperthreading and run it again , and you 'll have no , or very little , slowdown .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll bet that you were running it on some of the older P4 machines with HyperThreading.
If you have HT turned on, idle processing will NEVER work right under Windows, and it will cause the types of slowdowns you saw.
(I experienced the exact same thing with Folding@home when I installed it on a P4 w/ HT.
)Here's why: Hyperthreading uses a single core, but presents itself to the OS as multiple processors.
If you run power-hungry software that uses 100\% of the CPU time, it actually shows up to Windows as using 50\% time on two processors.
Add in something that runs in idle mode (like the @home programs), and they see 50\% unused processor time - so they go ahead and fill up that other 50\% - which puts the processor's ACTUAL usage to 200\% - causing everything to run at half speed.Yes, this is an over-simplified and not-exactly-right explanation, but it's close enough to the observed reality to suffice.In any case, turn off hyperthreading and run it again, and you'll have no, or very little, slowdown.</sentencetext>
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