<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_30_1923204</id>
	<title>Scientists Create Artificial Meat</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1259574360000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/slashdot/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"The Telegraph reports that scientists have created the <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6680989/Meat-grown-in-laboratory-in-world-first.html">first artificial meat</a> by extracting cells from the muscle of a live pig and putting them in a broth of other animal products where the cells then multiplied to create muscle tissue. Described as soggy pork, researchers believe that it can be turned into something like steak if they can find a way to 'exercise' the muscle and while no one has yet tasted the artificial meat, researchers believe the breakthrough could lead to sausages and other processed products being made from laboratory meat in as little as five years' time. '"What we have at the moment is rather like wasted muscle tissue. We need to find ways of improving it by training it and stretching it, but we will get there," says Mark Post, professor of physiology at Eindhoven University. "You could take the meat from one animal and create the volume of meat previously <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6936352.ece">provided by a million animals</a>."  Animal rights group Peta has welcomed the laboratory-grown meat, announcing  that "as far as we're concerned, if meat is no longer a piece of a dead animal there's no ethical objection while the Vegetarian Society remained skeptical. "The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered. It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.""</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " The Telegraph reports that scientists have created the first artificial meat by extracting cells from the muscle of a live pig and putting them in a broth of other animal products where the cells then multiplied to create muscle tissue .
Described as soggy pork , researchers believe that it can be turned into something like steak if they can find a way to 'exercise ' the muscle and while no one has yet tasted the artificial meat , researchers believe the breakthrough could lead to sausages and other processed products being made from laboratory meat in as little as five years ' time .
' " What we have at the moment is rather like wasted muscle tissue .
We need to find ways of improving it by training it and stretching it , but we will get there , " says Mark Post , professor of physiology at Eindhoven University .
" You could take the meat from one animal and create the volume of meat previously provided by a million animals .
" Animal rights group Peta has welcomed the laboratory-grown meat , announcing that " as far as we 're concerned , if meat is no longer a piece of a dead animal there 's no ethical objection while the Vegetarian Society remained skeptical .
" The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered .
It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust .
" "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "The Telegraph reports that scientists have created the first artificial meat by extracting cells from the muscle of a live pig and putting them in a broth of other animal products where the cells then multiplied to create muscle tissue.
Described as soggy pork, researchers believe that it can be turned into something like steak if they can find a way to 'exercise' the muscle and while no one has yet tasted the artificial meat, researchers believe the breakthrough could lead to sausages and other processed products being made from laboratory meat in as little as five years' time.
'"What we have at the moment is rather like wasted muscle tissue.
We need to find ways of improving it by training it and stretching it, but we will get there," says Mark Post, professor of physiology at Eindhoven University.
"You could take the meat from one animal and create the volume of meat previously provided by a million animals.
"  Animal rights group Peta has welcomed the laboratory-grown meat, announcing  that "as far as we're concerned, if meat is no longer a piece of a dead animal there's no ethical objection while the Vegetarian Society remained skeptical.
"The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered.
It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.
""</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276292</id>
	<title>That's a traditional problem...</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1259581500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>
"The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered. It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust."
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This is an increasing problem with vegetarians even before this development.  Used to be, (speaking as a vegetarian) you could always tell you were eating meat substitutes, 'cause they look and taste like crap.  But as time went on, and texture and flavor improved, it became more difficult to tell.  (Depending on the product -- fake sausage is getting a lot better, but fake bacon still looks and tastes like christmas tree decorations, and don't get me started on Tofurky (shudder).)  I guess I could see a time when meat substitutes tasted merely like poor cuts of meat, and not petroleum products.
</p><p>
Similarly, "artificial flesh" will initially not have the texture and flavor of real meat.  But with proper exercise (which is a little... icky, don't you think?) and flavoring, I can see a time when a vat-grown pig tastes merely like a poor cut of pork, and not something out of the lab.  I hope they figure out how to get that disinfectant taste out of the meat.
</p><p>
This topic has, of course, been covered extensively in SF.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered .
It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust .
" This is an increasing problem with vegetarians even before this development .
Used to be , ( speaking as a vegetarian ) you could always tell you were eating meat substitutes , 'cause they look and taste like crap .
But as time went on , and texture and flavor improved , it became more difficult to tell .
( Depending on the product -- fake sausage is getting a lot better , but fake bacon still looks and tastes like christmas tree decorations , and do n't get me started on Tofurky ( shudder ) .
) I guess I could see a time when meat substitutes tasted merely like poor cuts of meat , and not petroleum products .
Similarly , " artificial flesh " will initially not have the texture and flavor of real meat .
But with proper exercise ( which is a little... icky , do n't you think ?
) and flavoring , I can see a time when a vat-grown pig tastes merely like a poor cut of pork , and not something out of the lab .
I hope they figure out how to get that disinfectant taste out of the meat .
This topic has , of course , been covered extensively in SF .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
"The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered.
It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.
"

This is an increasing problem with vegetarians even before this development.
Used to be, (speaking as a vegetarian) you could always tell you were eating meat substitutes, 'cause they look and taste like crap.
But as time went on, and texture and flavor improved, it became more difficult to tell.
(Depending on the product -- fake sausage is getting a lot better, but fake bacon still looks and tastes like christmas tree decorations, and don't get me started on Tofurky (shudder).
)  I guess I could see a time when meat substitutes tasted merely like poor cuts of meat, and not petroleum products.
Similarly, "artificial flesh" will initially not have the texture and flavor of real meat.
But with proper exercise (which is a little... icky, don't you think?
) and flavoring, I can see a time when a vat-grown pig tastes merely like a poor cut of pork, and not something out of the lab.
I hope they figure out how to get that disinfectant taste out of the meat.
This topic has, of course, been covered extensively in SF.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30287506</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>IdahoEv</author>
	<datestamp>1259699880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I simply wonder why PETA still thinks being stuck in the farm is worse than what we've (historically) done to animals that don't serve as useful a purpose.</i></p><p>If animals were just "stuck on the farm", I frankly wouldn't have a problem with it.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAFO" title="wikipedia.org">CAFOs (Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations)</a> [wikipedia.org] are a whole different story entirely.  The suffering those animals go through is unfathomably immense, and that's where the vast majority of our meat and eggs come from.   Including essentially all of that marked "organic" and/or "free range".</p><p>The suffering is immense enough, frankly, that I think not creating the animal in the first place is far more the compassionate thing to do.</p><p>For the record, though I am a vegetarian myself I am fully in favor of (1) responsible hunting (2) responsible raising of animals for food and (3) eating of meat from either of the above sources.   I am fully opposed to contemporary CAFO sytems, however, and won't eat meat myself until they are abolished, which probably won't happen in my lifetime unless synthetic meat really does take off in popularity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I simply wonder why PETA still thinks being stuck in the farm is worse than what we 've ( historically ) done to animals that do n't serve as useful a purpose.If animals were just " stuck on the farm " , I frankly would n't have a problem with it .
CAFOs ( Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations ) [ wikipedia.org ] are a whole different story entirely .
The suffering those animals go through is unfathomably immense , and that 's where the vast majority of our meat and eggs come from .
Including essentially all of that marked " organic " and/or " free range " .The suffering is immense enough , frankly , that I think not creating the animal in the first place is far more the compassionate thing to do.For the record , though I am a vegetarian myself I am fully in favor of ( 1 ) responsible hunting ( 2 ) responsible raising of animals for food and ( 3 ) eating of meat from either of the above sources .
I am fully opposed to contemporary CAFO sytems , however , and wo n't eat meat myself until they are abolished , which probably wo n't happen in my lifetime unless synthetic meat really does take off in popularity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I simply wonder why PETA still thinks being stuck in the farm is worse than what we've (historically) done to animals that don't serve as useful a purpose.If animals were just "stuck on the farm", I frankly wouldn't have a problem with it.
CAFOs (Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations) [wikipedia.org] are a whole different story entirely.
The suffering those animals go through is unfathomably immense, and that's where the vast majority of our meat and eggs come from.
Including essentially all of that marked "organic" and/or "free range".The suffering is immense enough, frankly, that I think not creating the animal in the first place is far more the compassionate thing to do.For the record, though I am a vegetarian myself I am fully in favor of (1) responsible hunting (2) responsible raising of animals for food and (3) eating of meat from either of the above sources.
I am fully opposed to contemporary CAFO sytems, however, and won't eat meat myself until they are abolished, which probably won't happen in my lifetime unless synthetic meat really does take off in popularity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276068</id>
	<title>Re:My Hope</title>
	<author>mhajicek</author>
	<datestamp>1259580720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bacon wrapped?  My boy, you're not using your head.  Take full advantage of the technology at hand.  Think; bacon MARBLED fillet minions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bacon wrapped ?
My boy , you 're not using your head .
Take full advantage of the technology at hand .
Think ; bacon MARBLED fillet minions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bacon wrapped?
My boy, you're not using your head.
Take full advantage of the technology at hand.
Think; bacon MARBLED fillet minions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275876</id>
	<title>Weird thought</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1259580120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once this working, how soon will we see one of the processors start growing human cells? Seriously, it seems like Germany and other countries (including America) have a fetish these days for cannibalism. There would be no legal means of obtaining the meat from a real source, so no competition, though hopefully a SMALL market.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once this working , how soon will we see one of the processors start growing human cells ?
Seriously , it seems like Germany and other countries ( including America ) have a fetish these days for cannibalism .
There would be no legal means of obtaining the meat from a real source , so no competition , though hopefully a SMALL market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once this working, how soon will we see one of the processors start growing human cells?
Seriously, it seems like Germany and other countries (including America) have a fetish these days for cannibalism.
There would be no legal means of obtaining the meat from a real source, so no competition, though hopefully a SMALL market.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30288584</id>
	<title>Sorry, but I have to ask:</title>
	<author>drainbramage</author>
	<datestamp>1259660880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Will it blend?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will it blend ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will it blend?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277288</id>
	<title>Re:Huh...</title>
	<author>Ranzear</author>
	<datestamp>1259585760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>But what will we do with the elderly?</htmltext>
<tokenext>But what will we do with the elderly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But what will we do with the elderly?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278118</id>
	<title>Re:Tasteless</title>
	<author>adamchou</author>
	<datestamp>1259591280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>As a cook, I can tell you that you're absolutely wrong. Although flavor does come from the fat of a cow, such as in a prime rib, that is not true of a tenderloin. If you've ever cooked a PSMO, you'd see how lean the meat is. In fact, in preparing a PSMO, you remove a lot of fat from the meat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a cook , I can tell you that you 're absolutely wrong .
Although flavor does come from the fat of a cow , such as in a prime rib , that is not true of a tenderloin .
If you 've ever cooked a PSMO , you 'd see how lean the meat is .
In fact , in preparing a PSMO , you remove a lot of fat from the meat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a cook, I can tell you that you're absolutely wrong.
Although flavor does come from the fat of a cow, such as in a prime rib, that is not true of a tenderloin.
If you've ever cooked a PSMO, you'd see how lean the meat is.
In fact, in preparing a PSMO, you remove a lot of fat from the meat.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278606</id>
	<title>Re:Safety?</title>
	<author>bhagwad</author>
	<datestamp>1259595960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I disagree with PETA that killing animals for meat is immoral.</p> </div><p> 

I think PETA (and I) have a problem if animals are tortured before they die. I don't mind eating dead animals - they're tasty. But I can't condone or endorse gratuitous suffering. The animals live a life in hell before they die - cows, chickens etc etc.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>but honestly, we&rsquo;ve got bigger issues.</p></div><p>The way I see, that's like saying we shouldn't worry about the holocaust and that we've got bigger issues. Like what? There is literally no other problem on earth that is as big as torturing 11 billions of animals every year. You think global warming is a big problem? Just 6 billion humans. Peanuts compared to the number of animals we torture to death every year.<br>  <br> 

You think there are any more important problems if it were 6 billion humans being tortured to death every year?</p></div>
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<tokenext>I disagree with PETA that killing animals for meat is immoral .
I think PETA ( and I ) have a problem if animals are tortured before they die .
I do n't mind eating dead animals - they 're tasty .
But I ca n't condone or endorse gratuitous suffering .
The animals live a life in hell before they die - cows , chickens etc etc.but honestly , we    ve got bigger issues.The way I see , that 's like saying we should n't worry about the holocaust and that we 've got bigger issues .
Like what ?
There is literally no other problem on earth that is as big as torturing 11 billions of animals every year .
You think global warming is a big problem ?
Just 6 billion humans .
Peanuts compared to the number of animals we torture to death every year .
You think there are any more important problems if it were 6 billion humans being tortured to death every year ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree with PETA that killing animals for meat is immoral.
I think PETA (and I) have a problem if animals are tortured before they die.
I don't mind eating dead animals - they're tasty.
But I can't condone or endorse gratuitous suffering.
The animals live a life in hell before they die - cows, chickens etc etc.but honestly, we’ve got bigger issues.The way I see, that's like saying we shouldn't worry about the holocaust and that we've got bigger issues.
Like what?
There is literally no other problem on earth that is as big as torturing 11 billions of animals every year.
You think global warming is a big problem?
Just 6 billion humans.
Peanuts compared to the number of animals we torture to death every year.
You think there are any more important problems if it were 6 billion humans being tortured to death every year?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275542</id>
	<title>"Chicken Little"!</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1259578920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Well, ok.  "Porky Little".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , ok. " Porky Little " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, ok.  "Porky Little".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30280716</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259661720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"a large majority of the rangeland in the u.s. is unsuitable for farming"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and with typical human hubris, we forget that just because it's there doesn't mean we have to exploit it for our own temporary benefits, or that it's even a good idea in the long term. Just because it's not growing my steak, doesn't mean that "empty" rangeland does not have a very important function in the overall system. Western "civilisation": deliberately shitting in their own backyard every day... we're all so out of touch with the environment that nurtured our evolution and growth - I often think we deserve to become extinct, like so many other species of life that we trample into obliteration just because we can - witness the "great auk" - or rather - witness it's notable absence. The last one in the Birtish Isles was found by some old fellow and his father-in-law who "tied it up and kept it alive for three days, and then killed it by beating it with a stick, apparently because they believed it to be a witch." Excellent - we are *such* a worthy species, are we not?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" a large majority of the rangeland in the u.s. is unsuitable for farming " ... and with typical human hubris , we forget that just because it 's there does n't mean we have to exploit it for our own temporary benefits , or that it 's even a good idea in the long term .
Just because it 's not growing my steak , does n't mean that " empty " rangeland does not have a very important function in the overall system .
Western " civilisation " : deliberately shitting in their own backyard every day... we 're all so out of touch with the environment that nurtured our evolution and growth - I often think we deserve to become extinct , like so many other species of life that we trample into obliteration just because we can - witness the " great auk " - or rather - witness it 's notable absence .
The last one in the Birtish Isles was found by some old fellow and his father-in-law who " tied it up and kept it alive for three days , and then killed it by beating it with a stick , apparently because they believed it to be a witch .
" Excellent - we are * such * a worthy species , are we not ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"a large majority of the rangeland in the u.s. is unsuitable for farming" ... and with typical human hubris, we forget that just because it's there doesn't mean we have to exploit it for our own temporary benefits, or that it's even a good idea in the long term.
Just because it's not growing my steak, doesn't mean that "empty" rangeland does not have a very important function in the overall system.
Western "civilisation": deliberately shitting in their own backyard every day... we're all so out of touch with the environment that nurtured our evolution and growth - I often think we deserve to become extinct, like so many other species of life that we trample into obliteration just because we can - witness the "great auk" - or rather - witness it's notable absence.
The last one in the Birtish Isles was found by some old fellow and his father-in-law who "tied it up and kept it alive for three days, and then killed it by beating it with a stick, apparently because they believed it to be a witch.
" Excellent - we are *such* a worthy species, are we not?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30279840</id>
	<title>Re:The question is about labeling?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259607240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>no, the point is not labeling the real meat as fake, the point is that it will be cheaper to produce vat-grown meat but people will want real meat, like today's organic produce.  Therefore, companies will label fake meat as real in order to make more money selling cheaper meat as the more expensive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no , the point is not labeling the real meat as fake , the point is that it will be cheaper to produce vat-grown meat but people will want real meat , like today 's organic produce .
Therefore , companies will label fake meat as real in order to make more money selling cheaper meat as the more expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no, the point is not labeling the real meat as fake, the point is that it will be cheaper to produce vat-grown meat but people will want real meat, like today's organic produce.
Therefore, companies will label fake meat as real in order to make more money selling cheaper meat as the more expensive.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276730</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>ProfessionalCookie</author>
	<datestamp>1259583240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>and most importantly</p></div></blockquote><p>
and most <i>tragically</i> </p><p>There, fixed it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and most importantly and most tragically There , fixed it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and most importantly
and most tragically There, fixed it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278010</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259590320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Cattle undeniably damage the hydrology and ecological balance of fragile range-and-basin areas of the central west and south west, and are routinely under managed.  The cattle industry is a major political player in the west, though case studies in the Sierra Nevada regarding over-nitrification of sub-alpine meadows, eastern Sierra Nevada regarding stream bed cutting, and analogue studies in Colorado, Nevada, Wyoming, Arizona, New Mexico, and so forth are beginning to surface in the USDA/BLM research groups and their product literature.  In reality, even small herds (we're talking less than 50 over several square miles) have a marked impact on their rangeland.  On top of that, cattle are a major spreader of invasive plant species wherever they roam due to their heavily supplemented diet in areas where a cow, as you state, "can fatten up on land that would starve another breed."  The only sustainable livestock to allow to roam free in the Americas is the Bison.  And it's tasty, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cattle undeniably damage the hydrology and ecological balance of fragile range-and-basin areas of the central west and south west , and are routinely under managed .
The cattle industry is a major political player in the west , though case studies in the Sierra Nevada regarding over-nitrification of sub-alpine meadows , eastern Sierra Nevada regarding stream bed cutting , and analogue studies in Colorado , Nevada , Wyoming , Arizona , New Mexico , and so forth are beginning to surface in the USDA/BLM research groups and their product literature .
In reality , even small herds ( we 're talking less than 50 over several square miles ) have a marked impact on their rangeland .
On top of that , cattle are a major spreader of invasive plant species wherever they roam due to their heavily supplemented diet in areas where a cow , as you state , " can fatten up on land that would starve another breed .
" The only sustainable livestock to allow to roam free in the Americas is the Bison .
And it 's tasty , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cattle undeniably damage the hydrology and ecological balance of fragile range-and-basin areas of the central west and south west, and are routinely under managed.
The cattle industry is a major political player in the west, though case studies in the Sierra Nevada regarding over-nitrification of sub-alpine meadows, eastern Sierra Nevada regarding stream bed cutting, and analogue studies in Colorado, Nevada, Wyoming, Arizona, New Mexico, and so forth are beginning to surface in the USDA/BLM research groups and their product literature.
In reality, even small herds (we're talking less than 50 over several square miles) have a marked impact on their rangeland.
On top of that, cattle are a major spreader of invasive plant species wherever they roam due to their heavily supplemented diet in areas where a cow, as you state, "can fatten up on land that would starve another breed.
"  The only sustainable livestock to allow to roam free in the Americas is the Bison.
And it's tasty, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30279006</id>
	<title>Could be dangerous...</title>
	<author>Schadrach</author>
	<datestamp>1259599080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A cautionary tale:  <a href="http://pixelscapes.com/anachronauts/anachronauts03.html" title="pixelscapes.com">http://pixelscapes.com/anachronauts/anachronauts03.html</a> [pixelscapes.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A cautionary tale : http : //pixelscapes.com/anachronauts/anachronauts03.html [ pixelscapes.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A cautionary tale:  http://pixelscapes.com/anachronauts/anachronauts03.html [pixelscapes.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275490</id>
	<title>Mystery meat?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259578740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I call BS.  My high school was serving artificial meat 10 years ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I call BS .
My high school was serving artificial meat 10 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I call BS.
My high school was serving artificial meat 10 years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275420</id>
	<title>Un-exercised meat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259578560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So this could be a way to have guilt-free veal, I guess. Or foie gras.</p><p>I would not be surprised if this is widely adopted in, say, 50 years' time. Epicureans will extol the values of "real" meat over vat meat, environmentalists will fight to make vat meat more affordable, and a generation of kids will wonder what the big deal is, meat is meat and they'd still rather play with the mashed potatoes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So this could be a way to have guilt-free veal , I guess .
Or foie gras.I would not be surprised if this is widely adopted in , say , 50 years ' time .
Epicureans will extol the values of " real " meat over vat meat , environmentalists will fight to make vat meat more affordable , and a generation of kids will wonder what the big deal is , meat is meat and they 'd still rather play with the mashed potatoes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So this could be a way to have guilt-free veal, I guess.
Or foie gras.I would not be surprised if this is widely adopted in, say, 50 years' time.
Epicureans will extol the values of "real" meat over vat meat, environmentalists will fight to make vat meat more affordable, and a generation of kids will wonder what the big deal is, meat is meat and they'd still rather play with the mashed potatoes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277950</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259589780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If, in 5-10 years, this Artificial Meat market becomes big enough to surpass traditional meat harvesting techniques, what does PETA think will happen to all that cattle and other like animals?</p></div><p>Basically the same thing that happened to horses when the automobile became widely available. With 6 billion people in the world, at least a few are going to want to own cows as pets.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If , in 5-10 years , this Artificial Meat market becomes big enough to surpass traditional meat harvesting techniques , what does PETA think will happen to all that cattle and other like animals ? Basically the same thing that happened to horses when the automobile became widely available .
With 6 billion people in the world , at least a few are going to want to own cows as pets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If, in 5-10 years, this Artificial Meat market becomes big enough to surpass traditional meat harvesting techniques, what does PETA think will happen to all that cattle and other like animals?Basically the same thing that happened to horses when the automobile became widely available.
With 6 billion people in the world, at least a few are going to want to own cows as pets.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276834</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259583600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because an animal spends a lot of time doing energy inefficient things like walking around, keeping itself warm, growing bones and brains and other useless parts. Only the fact that you can focus on the good parts will already give a profit.

Btw, this technology is hardly new. I read about it years ago in our university newspaper (I am a student of the Eindhoven University of Technology). And at that time they also promised that there would be sausages in a couple of years. It sounds a bit like nuclear fusion</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because an animal spends a lot of time doing energy inefficient things like walking around , keeping itself warm , growing bones and brains and other useless parts .
Only the fact that you can focus on the good parts will already give a profit .
Btw , this technology is hardly new .
I read about it years ago in our university newspaper ( I am a student of the Eindhoven University of Technology ) .
And at that time they also promised that there would be sausages in a couple of years .
It sounds a bit like nuclear fusion</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because an animal spends a lot of time doing energy inefficient things like walking around, keeping itself warm, growing bones and brains and other useless parts.
Only the fact that you can focus on the good parts will already give a profit.
Btw, this technology is hardly new.
I read about it years ago in our university newspaper (I am a student of the Eindhoven University of Technology).
And at that time they also promised that there would be sausages in a couple of years.
It sounds a bit like nuclear fusion</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277398</id>
	<title>Re:Tasteless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259586360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's true for some steaks, but the deep flavor of onglet (aka, hangar steak) comes directly from the meat. Your point about hamburgers makes no sense, given that the grinding process allows you to add fat -- hence why chefs consider Kobe hamburgers to be trendy idiocy. From Anthony Bourdain:</p><blockquote><div><p>The Kobe experience is principally about the marbling, the even distribution of fat through lean. A hamburger is a bunch of lean beef thrown into a grinder with varying degrees of fat. If you are foolish enough to order a Kobe burger, you are entirely missing the point. Firstly, the fat will melt right out of the thing while cooking. Secondly, you are asking the chef to destroy the very textural notes for which Kobe is valued by smarter people. Thirdly, for an eight-ounce Kobe burger, you are paying for the chef to feed you all the outer fat and scrap bits he trimmed off the outside of his &ldquo;real&rdquo; Kobe so he can afford to serve properly trimmed steaks to wiser patrons who know what the hell they&rsquo;re doing.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's true for some steaks , but the deep flavor of onglet ( aka , hangar steak ) comes directly from the meat .
Your point about hamburgers makes no sense , given that the grinding process allows you to add fat -- hence why chefs consider Kobe hamburgers to be trendy idiocy .
From Anthony Bourdain : The Kobe experience is principally about the marbling , the even distribution of fat through lean .
A hamburger is a bunch of lean beef thrown into a grinder with varying degrees of fat .
If you are foolish enough to order a Kobe burger , you are entirely missing the point .
Firstly , the fat will melt right out of the thing while cooking .
Secondly , you are asking the chef to destroy the very textural notes for which Kobe is valued by smarter people .
Thirdly , for an eight-ounce Kobe burger , you are paying for the chef to feed you all the outer fat and scrap bits he trimmed off the outside of his    real    Kobe so he can afford to serve properly trimmed steaks to wiser patrons who know what the hell they    re doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's true for some steaks, but the deep flavor of onglet (aka, hangar steak) comes directly from the meat.
Your point about hamburgers makes no sense, given that the grinding process allows you to add fat -- hence why chefs consider Kobe hamburgers to be trendy idiocy.
From Anthony Bourdain:The Kobe experience is principally about the marbling, the even distribution of fat through lean.
A hamburger is a bunch of lean beef thrown into a grinder with varying degrees of fat.
If you are foolish enough to order a Kobe burger, you are entirely missing the point.
Firstly, the fat will melt right out of the thing while cooking.
Secondly, you are asking the chef to destroy the very textural notes for which Kobe is valued by smarter people.
Thirdly, for an eight-ounce Kobe burger, you are paying for the chef to feed you all the outer fat and scrap bits he trimmed off the outside of his “real” Kobe so he can afford to serve properly trimmed steaks to wiser patrons who know what the hell they’re doing.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30281888</id>
	<title>No net gain</title>
	<author>crmarvin42</author>
	<datestamp>1259674440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>by extracting cells from the muscle of a live pig and putting them <b>in a broth of other animal products</b> where the cells then multiplied to create muscle tissue.</p></div><p>I've seen earlier attempts at this discussed in our graduate seminar in the animal sciences department at my University.  I raised this point then and the general concensus was that I am correct.  <br> <br>The value of animal agriculture and animal products is that they enable us to convert moderate and low quality protein and energy sources into high quality protein and energy sources for human consumption.  This describes taking <b>high quality</b> nutrient sources (muscle cells), incubating them in even <b>higher quality</b> nutrient sources (Purified animal growth products and nutrients), to yield a <b>lower quality</b> nutrient source (soggy pork).  Even if they are able to apply tension to the growing cells and get acceptable meat quality is it still is net loss of efficiency.  <br> <br>You can feed a pig some pretty unappetizing stuff (wheat middlings, millrun, DDGS from the ethanol industry) and they will grow just fine, but cell culture work requires incredibly high quality inputs (blood, plasma, purified growth factors) to get marginal gains in outputs.</p></div>
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<tokenext>by extracting cells from the muscle of a live pig and putting them in a broth of other animal products where the cells then multiplied to create muscle tissue.I 've seen earlier attempts at this discussed in our graduate seminar in the animal sciences department at my University .
I raised this point then and the general concensus was that I am correct .
The value of animal agriculture and animal products is that they enable us to convert moderate and low quality protein and energy sources into high quality protein and energy sources for human consumption .
This describes taking high quality nutrient sources ( muscle cells ) , incubating them in even higher quality nutrient sources ( Purified animal growth products and nutrients ) , to yield a lower quality nutrient source ( soggy pork ) .
Even if they are able to apply tension to the growing cells and get acceptable meat quality is it still is net loss of efficiency .
You can feed a pig some pretty unappetizing stuff ( wheat middlings , millrun , DDGS from the ethanol industry ) and they will grow just fine , but cell culture work requires incredibly high quality inputs ( blood , plasma , purified growth factors ) to get marginal gains in outputs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>by extracting cells from the muscle of a live pig and putting them in a broth of other animal products where the cells then multiplied to create muscle tissue.I've seen earlier attempts at this discussed in our graduate seminar in the animal sciences department at my University.
I raised this point then and the general concensus was that I am correct.
The value of animal agriculture and animal products is that they enable us to convert moderate and low quality protein and energy sources into high quality protein and energy sources for human consumption.
This describes taking high quality nutrient sources (muscle cells), incubating them in even higher quality nutrient sources (Purified animal growth products and nutrients), to yield a lower quality nutrient source (soggy pork).
Even if they are able to apply tension to the growing cells and get acceptable meat quality is it still is net loss of efficiency.
You can feed a pig some pretty unappetizing stuff (wheat middlings, millrun, DDGS from the ethanol industry) and they will grow just fine, but cell culture work requires incredibly high quality inputs (blood, plasma, purified growth factors) to get marginal gains in outputs.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276240</id>
	<title>Is this really easier?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259581320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I grew up in farm country, and cows are pretty easy....you like, turn them out in a field and eat grass for a long time, and then you kill them and eat them. Or, you put them in stalls and feed them until they get fat and then you kill them and eat them. Sure, vat-grown meat is pure meat and not bones, skin, and eyeballs, but you might be surprised at how little of that extra material is wasted...much of it is seperated at the slaughterhouse and sold. Is tending and maintaining a factory of muscle-growing vats going to easier, cheaper, and more environmental than a herd of animals? Really? It sounds to me like we already have these meat vats that like maintain themselves, reproduce themselves, and</htmltext>
<tokenext>I grew up in farm country , and cows are pretty easy....you like , turn them out in a field and eat grass for a long time , and then you kill them and eat them .
Or , you put them in stalls and feed them until they get fat and then you kill them and eat them .
Sure , vat-grown meat is pure meat and not bones , skin , and eyeballs , but you might be surprised at how little of that extra material is wasted...much of it is seperated at the slaughterhouse and sold .
Is tending and maintaining a factory of muscle-growing vats going to easier , cheaper , and more environmental than a herd of animals ?
Really ? It sounds to me like we already have these meat vats that like maintain themselves , reproduce themselves , and</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I grew up in farm country, and cows are pretty easy....you like, turn them out in a field and eat grass for a long time, and then you kill them and eat them.
Or, you put them in stalls and feed them until they get fat and then you kill them and eat them.
Sure, vat-grown meat is pure meat and not bones, skin, and eyeballs, but you might be surprised at how little of that extra material is wasted...much of it is seperated at the slaughterhouse and sold.
Is tending and maintaining a factory of muscle-growing vats going to easier, cheaper, and more environmental than a herd of animals?
Really? It sounds to me like we already have these meat vats that like maintain themselves, reproduce themselves, and</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276618</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259582700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone have filet mignon?!</p><p>My good sir you are mad! This must be stopped! Only those of noble birth should be able to eat filet mignon!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:O</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone have filet mignon ?
! My good sir you are mad !
This must be stopped !
Only those of noble birth should be able to eat filet mignon !
: O</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone have filet mignon?
!My good sir you are mad!
This must be stopped!
Only those of noble birth should be able to eat filet mignon!
:O</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276116</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259580900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cows will be around for a while. We've had several different milk substitutes around for many years and people still drink plain old milk. Work on artificial cheese has come about as far as artificial meat due to the complexities of trying to make soy proteins act like milk proteins.</p><p>One thing that is forgotten (or ignored) when discussing land use with regards to cattle is that a large majority of the rangeland in the u.s. is unsuitable for farming. In addition, certain breeds of cow can fatten up on land that would starve another breed; proper herd management can allow the animals to fatten up without destroying the soil and plants. This is why it always irks me a bit to hear people talk about how one cow uses enough land to grow wheat for 40 people or some nonsense. Here, take these seeds- go try to grow them out west in the free ranges.</p><p>This meat-in-a-vat project has a long way to go- they need to figure out how to tone the muscle, marble it with fat, configure the nutrients to make the meat not taste like a chewable vitamin, etc.</p><p>There's a taco bell near here; in 5 years I'll go sample the vat-meat.</p><p>-b</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cows will be around for a while .
We 've had several different milk substitutes around for many years and people still drink plain old milk .
Work on artificial cheese has come about as far as artificial meat due to the complexities of trying to make soy proteins act like milk proteins.One thing that is forgotten ( or ignored ) when discussing land use with regards to cattle is that a large majority of the rangeland in the u.s. is unsuitable for farming .
In addition , certain breeds of cow can fatten up on land that would starve another breed ; proper herd management can allow the animals to fatten up without destroying the soil and plants .
This is why it always irks me a bit to hear people talk about how one cow uses enough land to grow wheat for 40 people or some nonsense .
Here , take these seeds- go try to grow them out west in the free ranges.This meat-in-a-vat project has a long way to go- they need to figure out how to tone the muscle , marble it with fat , configure the nutrients to make the meat not taste like a chewable vitamin , etc.There 's a taco bell near here ; in 5 years I 'll go sample the vat-meat.-b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cows will be around for a while.
We've had several different milk substitutes around for many years and people still drink plain old milk.
Work on artificial cheese has come about as far as artificial meat due to the complexities of trying to make soy proteins act like milk proteins.One thing that is forgotten (or ignored) when discussing land use with regards to cattle is that a large majority of the rangeland in the u.s. is unsuitable for farming.
In addition, certain breeds of cow can fatten up on land that would starve another breed; proper herd management can allow the animals to fatten up without destroying the soil and plants.
This is why it always irks me a bit to hear people talk about how one cow uses enough land to grow wheat for 40 people or some nonsense.
Here, take these seeds- go try to grow them out west in the free ranges.This meat-in-a-vat project has a long way to go- they need to figure out how to tone the muscle, marble it with fat, configure the nutrients to make the meat not taste like a chewable vitamin, etc.There's a taco bell near here; in 5 years I'll go sample the vat-meat.-b</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276570</id>
	<title>Herds of new voters</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259582520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Better keep the democrats away from the vats of meat. Push too much voltage through them and next thing you know some left wing nut will be trying to register it as a new party member.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Better keep the democrats away from the vats of meat .
Push too much voltage through them and next thing you know some left wing nut will be trying to register it as a new party member .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better keep the democrats away from the vats of meat.
Push too much voltage through them and next thing you know some left wing nut will be trying to register it as a new party member.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278044</id>
	<title>Fuck that!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259590620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> "The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered. It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust."</i></p><p>The opposite is equally concerning. I want my meat to come out of an animal, not a test tube. It's bad enough they're pushing GE crops on us, but at least that shit actually... you know... grows normally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered .
It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust .
" The opposite is equally concerning .
I want my meat to come out of an animal , not a test tube .
It 's bad enough they 're pushing GE crops on us , but at least that shit actually... you know... grows normally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> "The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered.
It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.
"The opposite is equally concerning.
I want my meat to come out of an animal, not a test tube.
It's bad enough they're pushing GE crops on us, but at least that shit actually... you know... grows normally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275756</id>
	<title>How do you suppose they are going to trick</title>
	<author>antifoidulus</author>
	<datestamp>1259579760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and/or force a grad student to be the one that finally tastes the meat?  That poor(literally and figuratively) person....</htmltext>
<tokenext>and/or force a grad student to be the one that finally tastes the meat ?
That poor ( literally and figuratively ) person... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and/or force a grad student to be the one that finally tastes the meat?
That poor(literally and figuratively) person....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276016</id>
	<title>Better Off Ted, anyone...?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259580600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>meh, tastes like chicken.</p><p>Food.Yum.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>meh , tastes like chicken.Food.Yum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>meh, tastes like chicken.Food.Yum.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276628</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>ross axe</author>
	<datestamp>1259582820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I really can't tell whether you're a crazy veggie or a crazy carnivore.  Do you consider it impossible that there are people who, although they find meat to be tasty and nutritious, nevertheless consider eating sentient creatures to be morally dubious at best?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really ca n't tell whether you 're a crazy veggie or a crazy carnivore .
Do you consider it impossible that there are people who , although they find meat to be tasty and nutritious , nevertheless consider eating sentient creatures to be morally dubious at best ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really can't tell whether you're a crazy veggie or a crazy carnivore.
Do you consider it impossible that there are people who, although they find meat to be tasty and nutritious, nevertheless consider eating sentient creatures to be morally dubious at best?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276260</id>
	<title>Re:Un-exercised meat</title>
	<author>maglor\_83</author>
	<datestamp>1259581440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't have guilt-free veal now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't have guilt-free veal now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't have guilt-free veal now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30288076</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259658780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Feed grains.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Feed grains .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Feed grains.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275606</id>
	<title>Better Off Ted: Test Tub Meat</title>
	<author>troutinator</author>
	<datestamp>1259579160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Reminds me of an episode of "Better Off Ted" called "Test Tube Meat" where they have to figure out a way to exercise there lump of grown meat because the unexercised attempt it tasted like "despair".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Reminds me of an episode of " Better Off Ted " called " Test Tube Meat " where they have to figure out a way to exercise there lump of grown meat because the unexercised attempt it tasted like " despair " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reminds me of an episode of "Better Off Ted" called "Test Tube Meat" where they have to figure out a way to exercise there lump of grown meat because the unexercised attempt it tasted like "despair".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30279566</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>RebrandSoftware</author>
	<datestamp>1259604600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It might be nice to have a pet cow.  You could keep it in your new surplus-land backyard with your pet chickens that lay eggs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It might be nice to have a pet cow .
You could keep it in your new surplus-land backyard with your pet chickens that lay eggs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It might be nice to have a pet cow.
You could keep it in your new surplus-land backyard with your pet chickens that lay eggs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275510</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30279126</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259600340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. The Vegetarian Society make a entirely valid point. If you're making a claim about a product, especially a claim that ties in with people's dearly held ethics, it is important that rigorous laws are in place to ensure that the claim is true.</p><p>Take the controversy over the labelling of eggs in Australia for instance. Although all egg cartons in Australia must have a label that specifies whether the eggs are "Cage Eggs", "Barn-laid eggs" or "Free-range", there are loopholes that sometimes allow non-Free range eggs to be labelled as free range. Free range eggs cost more than cage eggs, so the people buying them are buying them with another purpose in mind, and that purpose is the welfare of the animals. If you care enough about the welfare of animals that you spend more money so you specifically avoid the less-humane products, you should be able to trust completely that your extra dollars aren't going into the pockets of the people you're trying to avoid giving money too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
The Vegetarian Society make a entirely valid point .
If you 're making a claim about a product , especially a claim that ties in with people 's dearly held ethics , it is important that rigorous laws are in place to ensure that the claim is true.Take the controversy over the labelling of eggs in Australia for instance .
Although all egg cartons in Australia must have a label that specifies whether the eggs are " Cage Eggs " , " Barn-laid eggs " or " Free-range " , there are loopholes that sometimes allow non-Free range eggs to be labelled as free range .
Free range eggs cost more than cage eggs , so the people buying them are buying them with another purpose in mind , and that purpose is the welfare of the animals .
If you care enough about the welfare of animals that you spend more money so you specifically avoid the less-humane products , you should be able to trust completely that your extra dollars are n't going into the pockets of the people you 're trying to avoid giving money too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
The Vegetarian Society make a entirely valid point.
If you're making a claim about a product, especially a claim that ties in with people's dearly held ethics, it is important that rigorous laws are in place to ensure that the claim is true.Take the controversy over the labelling of eggs in Australia for instance.
Although all egg cartons in Australia must have a label that specifies whether the eggs are "Cage Eggs", "Barn-laid eggs" or "Free-range", there are loopholes that sometimes allow non-Free range eggs to be labelled as free range.
Free range eggs cost more than cage eggs, so the people buying them are buying them with another purpose in mind, and that purpose is the welfare of the animals.
If you care enough about the welfare of animals that you spend more money so you specifically avoid the less-humane products, you should be able to trust completely that your extra dollars aren't going into the pockets of the people you're trying to avoid giving money too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30282194</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259677620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Let's twist it around the other way. Some folks might have a religious or dietary concern over this "fake meat".</p></div><p>Fuck them. Seriously.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's twist it around the other way .
Some folks might have a religious or dietary concern over this " fake meat " .Fuck them .
Seriously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's twist it around the other way.
Some folks might have a religious or dietary concern over this "fake meat".Fuck them.
Seriously.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278408</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277752</id>
	<title>Reconstructive surgery help</title>
	<author>n0tWorthy</author>
	<datestamp>1259588580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sounds like promising research for those that have list muscle tissue to fires, accidents and disease. I could care less about eating "Soylent" meat (there may be some interesting new flavors) I just hope this can help some of those that have been horribly hurt and maimed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like promising research for those that have list muscle tissue to fires , accidents and disease .
I could care less about eating " Soylent " meat ( there may be some interesting new flavors ) I just hope this can help some of those that have been horribly hurt and maimed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like promising research for those that have list muscle tissue to fires, accidents and disease.
I could care less about eating "Soylent" meat (there may be some interesting new flavors) I just hope this can help some of those that have been horribly hurt and maimed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30283570</id>
	<title>"a broth of other animal products"</title>
	<author>Baldrson</author>
	<datestamp>1259684640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the feedstock of "artificial" meat is "a broth of other animal products" then the question is obviously what are the market price for those "other animal products" plus the cost of converting them into a suitable "broth" plus the cost of converting the broth into the "artificial" meat?
<p>
Until there is a non-animal feedstock, it is likely to remain too expensive to compete with existing meat products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the feedstock of " artificial " meat is " a broth of other animal products " then the question is obviously what are the market price for those " other animal products " plus the cost of converting them into a suitable " broth " plus the cost of converting the broth into the " artificial " meat ?
Until there is a non-animal feedstock , it is likely to remain too expensive to compete with existing meat products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the feedstock of "artificial" meat is "a broth of other animal products" then the question is obviously what are the market price for those "other animal products" plus the cost of converting them into a suitable "broth" plus the cost of converting the broth into the "artificial" meat?
Until there is a non-animal feedstock, it is likely to remain too expensive to compete with existing meat products.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278154</id>
	<title>Re:Not so fast...</title>
	<author>fishtorte</author>
	<datestamp>1259591520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>[...] without wasting money on all the unnecessary parts [...]</p></div><p>Now <i>that's</i> a matter of perspective.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ ... ] without wasting money on all the unnecessary parts [ ... ] Now that 's a matter of perspective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[...] without wasting money on all the unnecessary parts [...]Now that's a matter of perspective.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275920</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30286402</id>
	<title>DCompose</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259696160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The way I see it, the reason factory farms exist is because it is not possible to supply the demand for natural meat without cramming animals together in horrible, torturous, ultimately unhealthy (for the consumer) conditions. There's nothing more disgusting than an industrial pig farm. Except maybe a hole in the ground full of shit and death. It doesn't take much to keep a chicken happy. They just don't need to be put 7 to a cage, 5 cages high, kept in a dark warehouse. I don't think it's because people hate chickens, either.<br>This doesn't need to eliminate the supply of natural meat. This argument has nothing to do with ethics or animal rights, so I hope it is something most people can agree on.<br>I believe eating meat is healthy, but I also believe it is a giant cultural reg-flag if Western society treats weaker sentient life with apathy. From what I understand, people haven't stopped multiplying and we'll be in trouble 10 years down the line if we don't find some way to give people affordable meat. Nobody will care. People still eat McDonalds and those burgers have the texture of a sponge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The way I see it , the reason factory farms exist is because it is not possible to supply the demand for natural meat without cramming animals together in horrible , torturous , ultimately unhealthy ( for the consumer ) conditions .
There 's nothing more disgusting than an industrial pig farm .
Except maybe a hole in the ground full of shit and death .
It does n't take much to keep a chicken happy .
They just do n't need to be put 7 to a cage , 5 cages high , kept in a dark warehouse .
I do n't think it 's because people hate chickens , either.This does n't need to eliminate the supply of natural meat .
This argument has nothing to do with ethics or animal rights , so I hope it is something most people can agree on.I believe eating meat is healthy , but I also believe it is a giant cultural reg-flag if Western society treats weaker sentient life with apathy .
From what I understand , people have n't stopped multiplying and we 'll be in trouble 10 years down the line if we do n't find some way to give people affordable meat .
Nobody will care .
People still eat McDonalds and those burgers have the texture of a sponge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The way I see it, the reason factory farms exist is because it is not possible to supply the demand for natural meat without cramming animals together in horrible, torturous, ultimately unhealthy (for the consumer) conditions.
There's nothing more disgusting than an industrial pig farm.
Except maybe a hole in the ground full of shit and death.
It doesn't take much to keep a chicken happy.
They just don't need to be put 7 to a cage, 5 cages high, kept in a dark warehouse.
I don't think it's because people hate chickens, either.This doesn't need to eliminate the supply of natural meat.
This argument has nothing to do with ethics or animal rights, so I hope it is something most people can agree on.I believe eating meat is healthy, but I also believe it is a giant cultural reg-flag if Western society treats weaker sentient life with apathy.
From what I understand, people haven't stopped multiplying and we'll be in trouble 10 years down the line if we don't find some way to give people affordable meat.
Nobody will care.
People still eat McDonalds and those burgers have the texture of a sponge.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277776</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>c\_sd\_m</author>
	<datestamp>1259588700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Broth is mostly made from boiling bones which are generally a waste product, especially these days when few people bother making "real" stock or dishes like ossobuco. Some of the meat rendering waste is just bits that were too fiddly to be worth trimming properly or paying a real butcher to handle. Stewing these bits and the bones into a broth used to be standard practice and is still the base of the sauces at any decent restaurant. It's the same as boiling your turkey carcass and making sure all the meat has been cleaned off, it may not be efficient in effort but it is efficient in meat per animal.</p><p>Swapping out some meat broth with vegetable broth (say, court bouillon) would reduce the amount of meat required and produce something between beef tenderloin and tempeh. There aren't a lot of cheap tender meats out there, unless you count saturating chicken with water, salt, and corn starch. Fast food restaurants seem to have figured out that people don't like chewing; this will just let them not chew at home for cheap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Broth is mostly made from boiling bones which are generally a waste product , especially these days when few people bother making " real " stock or dishes like ossobuco .
Some of the meat rendering waste is just bits that were too fiddly to be worth trimming properly or paying a real butcher to handle .
Stewing these bits and the bones into a broth used to be standard practice and is still the base of the sauces at any decent restaurant .
It 's the same as boiling your turkey carcass and making sure all the meat has been cleaned off , it may not be efficient in effort but it is efficient in meat per animal.Swapping out some meat broth with vegetable broth ( say , court bouillon ) would reduce the amount of meat required and produce something between beef tenderloin and tempeh .
There are n't a lot of cheap tender meats out there , unless you count saturating chicken with water , salt , and corn starch .
Fast food restaurants seem to have figured out that people do n't like chewing ; this will just let them not chew at home for cheap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Broth is mostly made from boiling bones which are generally a waste product, especially these days when few people bother making "real" stock or dishes like ossobuco.
Some of the meat rendering waste is just bits that were too fiddly to be worth trimming properly or paying a real butcher to handle.
Stewing these bits and the bones into a broth used to be standard practice and is still the base of the sauces at any decent restaurant.
It's the same as boiling your turkey carcass and making sure all the meat has been cleaned off, it may not be efficient in effort but it is efficient in meat per animal.Swapping out some meat broth with vegetable broth (say, court bouillon) would reduce the amount of meat required and produce something between beef tenderloin and tempeh.
There aren't a lot of cheap tender meats out there, unless you count saturating chicken with water, salt, and corn starch.
Fast food restaurants seem to have figured out that people don't like chewing; this will just let them not chew at home for cheap.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276024</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276406</id>
	<title>But does it have..</title>
	<author>otterpopjunkie</author>
	<datestamp>1259581860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>electrolytes???</htmltext>
<tokenext>electrolytes ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>electrolytes??
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276370</id>
	<title>the inevitable...</title>
	<author>Tumbleweed</author>
	<datestamp>1259581740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If meat is outlawed, only outlaws will have meat!</p><p>Meat doesn't kill people, people kill animals to get meat.</p><p>They can have my meat when they pry it from my cold, dead (greasy) sausage-like fingers.</p><p>Artificial meat is artificial murder!</p><p>I theorize we can make an artificial wormhole by making pork rinds out of artificial meat. Either that or dark matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If meat is outlawed , only outlaws will have meat ! Meat does n't kill people , people kill animals to get meat.They can have my meat when they pry it from my cold , dead ( greasy ) sausage-like fingers.Artificial meat is artificial murder ! I theorize we can make an artificial wormhole by making pork rinds out of artificial meat .
Either that or dark matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If meat is outlawed, only outlaws will have meat!Meat doesn't kill people, people kill animals to get meat.They can have my meat when they pry it from my cold, dead (greasy) sausage-like fingers.Artificial meat is artificial murder!I theorize we can make an artificial wormhole by making pork rinds out of artificial meat.
Either that or dark matter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278178</id>
	<title>vegetarians, jews, muslims, hindu extremism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259591760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;, with their statement shows themselves to be still a bunch of extremists.</p><p>Whats wrong with being an extremist when it comes to food?</p><p>Jews, muslims, hindus and others wont eat certain food because of their religious fanaticism.</p><p>Somehow, I dont think you are brave enough to call these groups extremists so lets go with the granola gang instead.....<br>bravo sir, you are the kind who would pick on the slow kid in class.</p><p>Vegetarians have a moral compass which is different than ours but their stance is not remotely as stupid and illogical as the ones who wont touch shelfish or pork because some bogeyman told them not to eat it.</p><p>Next time some idiot asks for kosher and halal meat please feel free to insult them all you like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; , with their statement shows themselves to be still a bunch of extremists.Whats wrong with being an extremist when it comes to food ? Jews , muslims , hindus and others wont eat certain food because of their religious fanaticism.Somehow , I dont think you are brave enough to call these groups extremists so lets go with the granola gang instead.....bravo sir , you are the kind who would pick on the slow kid in class.Vegetarians have a moral compass which is different than ours but their stance is not remotely as stupid and illogical as the ones who wont touch shelfish or pork because some bogeyman told them not to eat it.Next time some idiot asks for kosher and halal meat please feel free to insult them all you like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;, with their statement shows themselves to be still a bunch of extremists.Whats wrong with being an extremist when it comes to food?Jews, muslims, hindus and others wont eat certain food because of their religious fanaticism.Somehow, I dont think you are brave enough to call these groups extremists so lets go with the granola gang instead.....bravo sir, you are the kind who would pick on the slow kid in class.Vegetarians have a moral compass which is different than ours but their stance is not remotely as stupid and illogical as the ones who wont touch shelfish or pork because some bogeyman told them not to eat it.Next time some idiot asks for kosher and halal meat please feel free to insult them all you like.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277188</id>
	<title>compare</title>
	<author>scifiber\_phil</author>
	<datestamp>1259585280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This will be to real meat as a blow up doll is to a real woman.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This will be to real meat as a blow up doll is to a real woman .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will be to real meat as a blow up doll is to a real woman.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276302</id>
	<title>Disgusting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259581620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Disgusting. I want real food, made with real ingredients, out of real animals, that tastes like the real thing. I don't want hydroponic tomatoes with my artificial trained meat. And by the way, remove that damn corn syrupt and soy crap from my food.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Disgusting .
I want real food , made with real ingredients , out of real animals , that tastes like the real thing .
I do n't want hydroponic tomatoes with my artificial trained meat .
And by the way , remove that damn corn syrupt and soy crap from my food .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disgusting.
I want real food, made with real ingredients, out of real animals, that tastes like the real thing.
I don't want hydroponic tomatoes with my artificial trained meat.
And by the way, remove that damn corn syrupt and soy crap from my food.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275486</id>
	<title>Nobody's tasted the stuff yet??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259578740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What, Eindhoven University doesn't have "student food service"?  My alma mater would have served up the stuff in a New York minute along with the usual by-products, fillers, and cereals....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What , Eindhoven University does n't have " student food service " ?
My alma mater would have served up the stuff in a New York minute along with the usual by-products , fillers , and cereals... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What, Eindhoven University doesn't have "student food service"?
My alma mater would have served up the stuff in a New York minute along with the usual by-products, fillers, and cereals....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277590</id>
	<title>axolotl tanks</title>
	<author>carpefishus</author>
	<datestamp>1259587500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmmmmmm....not just food.  Grow me some guns.  "Yeah, baby, I been workin' out."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmmmmm....not just food .
Grow me some guns .
" Yeah , baby , I been workin ' out .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmmmmm....not just food.
Grow me some guns.
"Yeah, baby, I been workin' out.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277786</id>
	<title>Re:Better Off Ted</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259588760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not so funny now that it's true!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not so funny now that it 's true !
: /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not so funny now that it's true!
:/</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275666</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275772</id>
	<title>Re:Soggy Meat?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259579760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is exactly the premise made in a SciFi short story I read about 25 years ago. The story took the form of an congressman (or senator?) raising the issue for debate. Now if only I could remember the title and who wrote it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is exactly the premise made in a SciFi short story I read about 25 years ago .
The story took the form of an congressman ( or senator ?
) raising the issue for debate .
Now if only I could remember the title and who wrote it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is exactly the premise made in a SciFi short story I read about 25 years ago.
The story took the form of an congressman (or senator?
) raising the issue for debate.
Now if only I could remember the title and who wrote it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275450</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276898</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259583900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doesn't the article just say that the vegetarian groups completely support the idea of artificial meat (ethically that is)?  They only have some concerns about the labeling of the products in the stores to ensure that the consumer is informed that the labeling is honest.  Last time I checked that was a good idea...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't the article just say that the vegetarian groups completely support the idea of artificial meat ( ethically that is ) ?
They only have some concerns about the labeling of the products in the stores to ensure that the consumer is informed that the labeling is honest .
Last time I checked that was a good idea.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't the article just say that the vegetarian groups completely support the idea of artificial meat (ethically that is)?
They only have some concerns about the labeling of the products in the stores to ensure that the consumer is informed that the labeling is honest.
Last time I checked that was a good idea...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275808</id>
	<title>Re:Soggy Meat?</title>
	<author>lysdexia</author>
	<datestamp>1259579940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A plus to artificially producing human meat for human consumption: one could choose food that has actually consented to be eaten.</p><p>"I don't eat anything with a face" could be replaced by "Yes means yes!" (feel free to come up with a catchier slogan, I have to bite my nails.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A plus to artificially producing human meat for human consumption : one could choose food that has actually consented to be eaten .
" I do n't eat anything with a face " could be replaced by " Yes means yes !
" ( feel free to come up with a catchier slogan , I have to bite my nails .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A plus to artificially producing human meat for human consumption: one could choose food that has actually consented to be eaten.
"I don't eat anything with a face" could be replaced by "Yes means yes!
" (feel free to come up with a catchier slogan, I have to bite my nails.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276058</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>kehren77</author>
	<datestamp>1259580720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If the cow or pig isn't being used, I would expect us to (intentionally or not) create conditions in their environment which pushes them out and dwindles their population, not unlike we've done to wolves or such.</p></div><p>I think the better comparison would be deer. Every year we could have cow and pig hunting seasons to keep the herds down to levels where they won't starve to death.</p><p>But until they can get the taste and texture right, no one is going to replace their steak with synthasteak.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the cow or pig is n't being used , I would expect us to ( intentionally or not ) create conditions in their environment which pushes them out and dwindles their population , not unlike we 've done to wolves or such.I think the better comparison would be deer .
Every year we could have cow and pig hunting seasons to keep the herds down to levels where they wo n't starve to death.But until they can get the taste and texture right , no one is going to replace their steak with synthasteak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the cow or pig isn't being used, I would expect us to (intentionally or not) create conditions in their environment which pushes them out and dwindles their population, not unlike we've done to wolves or such.I think the better comparison would be deer.
Every year we could have cow and pig hunting seasons to keep the herds down to levels where they won't starve to death.But until they can get the taste and texture right, no one is going to replace their steak with synthasteak.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278072</id>
	<title>Re:Un-exercised meat</title>
	<author>adamchou</author>
	<datestamp>1259591040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think foie gras would be the same as synthetic meat. For one, its a different type of tissue. Secondly, foie gras is a very specific type of liver from a duck thats been force fed to the point that it swells. They'd somehow need to create not just a liver, but a fatty overfed liver. That seems to me more like a process that requires a live animal than can be done with an artificial system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think foie gras would be the same as synthetic meat .
For one , its a different type of tissue .
Secondly , foie gras is a very specific type of liver from a duck thats been force fed to the point that it swells .
They 'd somehow need to create not just a liver , but a fatty overfed liver .
That seems to me more like a process that requires a live animal than can be done with an artificial system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think foie gras would be the same as synthetic meat.
For one, its a different type of tissue.
Secondly, foie gras is a very specific type of liver from a duck thats been force fed to the point that it swells.
They'd somehow need to create not just a liver, but a fatty overfed liver.
That seems to me more like a process that requires a live animal than can be done with an artificial system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277434</id>
	<title>Needs to be animal-free in production</title>
	<author>vik</author>
	<datestamp>1259586540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From what I read in the article, quantities of animal by-product are needed to grow the meat. Obviously that's going to have to change before it's considered vegetarian.</p><p>Vik<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:v)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I read in the article , quantities of animal by-product are needed to grow the meat .
Obviously that 's going to have to change before it 's considered vegetarian.Vik : v )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I read in the article, quantities of animal by-product are needed to grow the meat.
Obviously that's going to have to change before it's considered vegetarian.Vik :v)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275796</id>
	<title>The question is about labeling?</title>
	<author>mea37</author>
	<datestamp>1259579880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find the phrasing pretty weak, about being hard to come up with a label "people" would trust.  Sounds like hedging between saying "we don't want to trust the lable" but not wanting to call anyone a liar.  People trust the label on organic foods; why would this be harder?</p><p>To me labeling isn't the interesting question (but then, I'm no vegitarian).  To me the interesting question is economic, and only if the economics make this product something uninteresting to me do the labeling issues even come into play.  I can see three possible outcomes:</p><p>1) This approach hits a dead end, and it turns out you just can't make high-quality meat that's fit for human consumption in a lab.  The researchers seem convinced that won't happen, so moving on...</p><p>2) The approach works, but the cost to make this meat exceeds the cost of doing it the old-fashioned way.  I'm optimistic enough to doubt this; consider all of the energy costs involved in raising livestock.  But who knows what will be required to make "good" artificial meat; maybe this is how it goes down.  In that case, it won't add noticably to the food supply in an economic sense, and it becomes uninteresting to me.  It remains intersting to PETA (since they don't want to eat "real" meat).  There's niche demand for it, but it's more expensive than "real" meat - conditions that would make it possible to have mis-labeling if the food manufacturers were very careful about it.</p><p>3) The approach works and produces meat more cheaply than you can raise "real" meat.  This is the only case where I care about the idea, because in this case you actually increase the food supply; but in that case, nobody has a reason to mislabel <i>a more expensive product</i> and sell it to you as a less-expensive product. Even if they were just jerks who wanted to trick you into eating something you don't want to eat, they'd never be able to pull it off.  (How do you hide a slaughtering operation from regulators?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find the phrasing pretty weak , about being hard to come up with a label " people " would trust .
Sounds like hedging between saying " we do n't want to trust the lable " but not wanting to call anyone a liar .
People trust the label on organic foods ; why would this be harder ? To me labeling is n't the interesting question ( but then , I 'm no vegitarian ) .
To me the interesting question is economic , and only if the economics make this product something uninteresting to me do the labeling issues even come into play .
I can see three possible outcomes : 1 ) This approach hits a dead end , and it turns out you just ca n't make high-quality meat that 's fit for human consumption in a lab .
The researchers seem convinced that wo n't happen , so moving on...2 ) The approach works , but the cost to make this meat exceeds the cost of doing it the old-fashioned way .
I 'm optimistic enough to doubt this ; consider all of the energy costs involved in raising livestock .
But who knows what will be required to make " good " artificial meat ; maybe this is how it goes down .
In that case , it wo n't add noticably to the food supply in an economic sense , and it becomes uninteresting to me .
It remains intersting to PETA ( since they do n't want to eat " real " meat ) .
There 's niche demand for it , but it 's more expensive than " real " meat - conditions that would make it possible to have mis-labeling if the food manufacturers were very careful about it.3 ) The approach works and produces meat more cheaply than you can raise " real " meat .
This is the only case where I care about the idea , because in this case you actually increase the food supply ; but in that case , nobody has a reason to mislabel a more expensive product and sell it to you as a less-expensive product .
Even if they were just jerks who wanted to trick you into eating something you do n't want to eat , they 'd never be able to pull it off .
( How do you hide a slaughtering operation from regulators ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find the phrasing pretty weak, about being hard to come up with a label "people" would trust.
Sounds like hedging between saying "we don't want to trust the lable" but not wanting to call anyone a liar.
People trust the label on organic foods; why would this be harder?To me labeling isn't the interesting question (but then, I'm no vegitarian).
To me the interesting question is economic, and only if the economics make this product something uninteresting to me do the labeling issues even come into play.
I can see three possible outcomes:1) This approach hits a dead end, and it turns out you just can't make high-quality meat that's fit for human consumption in a lab.
The researchers seem convinced that won't happen, so moving on...2) The approach works, but the cost to make this meat exceeds the cost of doing it the old-fashioned way.
I'm optimistic enough to doubt this; consider all of the energy costs involved in raising livestock.
But who knows what will be required to make "good" artificial meat; maybe this is how it goes down.
In that case, it won't add noticably to the food supply in an economic sense, and it becomes uninteresting to me.
It remains intersting to PETA (since they don't want to eat "real" meat).
There's niche demand for it, but it's more expensive than "real" meat - conditions that would make it possible to have mis-labeling if the food manufacturers were very careful about it.3) The approach works and produces meat more cheaply than you can raise "real" meat.
This is the only case where I care about the idea, because in this case you actually increase the food supply; but in that case, nobody has a reason to mislabel a more expensive product and sell it to you as a less-expensive product.
Even if they were just jerks who wanted to trick you into eating something you don't want to eat, they'd never be able to pull it off.
(How do you hide a slaughtering operation from regulators?
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277956</id>
	<title>Re:Obligatory Transmetropolitan reference</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259589840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stars\_in\_My\_Pocket\_Like\_Grains\_of\_Sand" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275242</id>
	<title>I am scared. I am intrigued.</title>
	<author>PizzaAnalogyGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1259577960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The scientist raise a valid issue. This meat is from a artificial "muscle" that has never received any kind of exercise or strengthened itself. That is why it's not as steak, but I think it also affects taste of the meat too.<br>
<br>
As a man who has run several pizzerias during my lenghty life, and as a man who respects a good steak, good bacon and good ham on a large pizza, I'm scared that this will replace the real meat at some point. This gives a stupid reason for Peta and other hippies to try to ban 'real' meat and put everybody to eat artificially produced meat.<br>
<br>
Say goodbye to bacon pizzas, tasty and meaty hamburgers, hot dogs, a good grilled steak with french fries and most importantly, delicious food.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The scientist raise a valid issue .
This meat is from a artificial " muscle " that has never received any kind of exercise or strengthened itself .
That is why it 's not as steak , but I think it also affects taste of the meat too .
As a man who has run several pizzerias during my lenghty life , and as a man who respects a good steak , good bacon and good ham on a large pizza , I 'm scared that this will replace the real meat at some point .
This gives a stupid reason for Peta and other hippies to try to ban 'real ' meat and put everybody to eat artificially produced meat .
Say goodbye to bacon pizzas , tasty and meaty hamburgers , hot dogs , a good grilled steak with french fries and most importantly , delicious food .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The scientist raise a valid issue.
This meat is from a artificial "muscle" that has never received any kind of exercise or strengthened itself.
That is why it's not as steak, but I think it also affects taste of the meat too.
As a man who has run several pizzerias during my lenghty life, and as a man who respects a good steak, good bacon and good ham on a large pizza, I'm scared that this will replace the real meat at some point.
This gives a stupid reason for Peta and other hippies to try to ban 'real' meat and put everybody to eat artificially produced meat.
Say goodbye to bacon pizzas, tasty and meaty hamburgers, hot dogs, a good grilled steak with french fries and most importantly, delicious food.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30311528</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259861040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Appealing to thermodynamics or conservation of energy here is near to the stupidest thing I've ever heard.  The amount of energy stored in the usable meat in a cow is minuscule compared to the amount of energy a cow needs to live.<br>Real cows have to exercise, gather food, digest food, breathe, shit, reproduce, make skin, hair, horns, bones, hooves and all sorts of thngs that vat meat doesn't do.  Vat meat cells can simply divide to grow more cells, so there's a potential for an order of magnitude increase in efficiency here.</p><p>There's no obvious reason that any complete source of protein and macronutrients couldn't be used, so leave your nightmare scenarios out of the discussion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Appealing to thermodynamics or conservation of energy here is near to the stupidest thing I 've ever heard .
The amount of energy stored in the usable meat in a cow is minuscule compared to the amount of energy a cow needs to live.Real cows have to exercise , gather food , digest food , breathe , shit , reproduce , make skin , hair , horns , bones , hooves and all sorts of thngs that vat meat does n't do .
Vat meat cells can simply divide to grow more cells , so there 's a potential for an order of magnitude increase in efficiency here.There 's no obvious reason that any complete source of protein and macronutrients could n't be used , so leave your nightmare scenarios out of the discussion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Appealing to thermodynamics or conservation of energy here is near to the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
The amount of energy stored in the usable meat in a cow is minuscule compared to the amount of energy a cow needs to live.Real cows have to exercise, gather food, digest food, breathe, shit, reproduce, make skin, hair, horns, bones, hooves and all sorts of thngs that vat meat doesn't do.
Vat meat cells can simply divide to grow more cells, so there's a potential for an order of magnitude increase in efficiency here.There's no obvious reason that any complete source of protein and macronutrients couldn't be used, so leave your nightmare scenarios out of the discussion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276078</id>
	<title>My lifelong goal is finally here....</title>
	<author>jameskojiro</author>
	<datestamp>1259580780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They can extract some muscle cells from my Computer atrophied body and I can "Eat Myself".   It is like a double dose of cannibalism dipped in incest like sin.....</p><p>Dante is going to have to invent another region of hell for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They can extract some muscle cells from my Computer atrophied body and I can " Eat Myself " .
It is like a double dose of cannibalism dipped in incest like sin.....Dante is going to have to invent another region of hell for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can extract some muscle cells from my Computer atrophied body and I can "Eat Myself".
It is like a double dose of cannibalism dipped in incest like sin.....Dante is going to have to invent another region of hell for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277966</id>
	<title>Re:Un-exercised meat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259589900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have guilt-free veal all the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have guilt-free veal all the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have guilt-free veal all the time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278104</id>
	<title>SPAM as first artificial meat</title>
	<author>relaxinparadise</author>
	<datestamp>1259591220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The hormel product, Spam, has been around for some time and I've always thought of that as the 1st artificial meat. Perhaps it's just being picky about semantics, but wouldn't this be some sort of 1st genetically created artificial meat?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The hormel product , Spam , has been around for some time and I 've always thought of that as the 1st artificial meat .
Perhaps it 's just being picky about semantics , but would n't this be some sort of 1st genetically created artificial meat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The hormel product, Spam, has been around for some time and I've always thought of that as the 1st artificial meat.
Perhaps it's just being picky about semantics, but wouldn't this be some sort of 1st genetically created artificial meat?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276064</id>
	<title>Wrong Fictional Tag! The Space Merchants</title>
	<author>StefanJ</author>
	<datestamp>1259580720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not "Soylent Green" . . . <i>The Space Merchants</i>.</p><p>Pohl &amp; Kornbluth's novel features a conflict between the integrated advertising/production complex that is stripping the world of resources and manipulating the populace and the benighted Consies (conservationists). The lead is kidnapped, stripped of his identity, and forced into a contract labor job. He works in an urban algea farm. Most of the goop isn't consumed by humans. It is processed into blood substitute that feeds Chicken Little, a giant pulsing wad of chicken heart cells. One of the workers slices off pieces which are packaged and shipped off for consumption.</p><p>This, in a 1952 novel by WWII veterans who worked in the advertising industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not " Soylent Green " .
. .
The Space Merchants.Pohl &amp; Kornbluth 's novel features a conflict between the integrated advertising/production complex that is stripping the world of resources and manipulating the populace and the benighted Consies ( conservationists ) .
The lead is kidnapped , stripped of his identity , and forced into a contract labor job .
He works in an urban algea farm .
Most of the goop is n't consumed by humans .
It is processed into blood substitute that feeds Chicken Little , a giant pulsing wad of chicken heart cells .
One of the workers slices off pieces which are packaged and shipped off for consumption.This , in a 1952 novel by WWII veterans who worked in the advertising industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not "Soylent Green" .
. .
The Space Merchants.Pohl &amp; Kornbluth's novel features a conflict between the integrated advertising/production complex that is stripping the world of resources and manipulating the populace and the benighted Consies (conservationists).
The lead is kidnapped, stripped of his identity, and forced into a contract labor job.
He works in an urban algea farm.
Most of the goop isn't consumed by humans.
It is processed into blood substitute that feeds Chicken Little, a giant pulsing wad of chicken heart cells.
One of the workers slices off pieces which are packaged and shipped off for consumption.This, in a 1952 novel by WWII veterans who worked in the advertising industry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278514</id>
	<title>Worlds First? laboratory meat</title>
	<author>Gresyth</author>
	<datestamp>1259595300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>I thought Louise Brown &lt;url:http://history1900s.about.com/od/medicaladvancesissues/a/testtubebaby.htm&gt; was the first laboratory meat<br><br></tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought Louise Brown was the first laboratory meat</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought Louise Brown  was the first laboratory meat</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278378</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>ls -la</author>
	<datestamp>1259593740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As I understand your post, you're saying that animals domesticated solely for food will (mostly) die out if this lab meat process goes ahead.  I think PETA and others who refuse to eat meat based on the common mistreatment of factory farm animals ("Ethical vegetarians") would say that it's better for these species not to exist than to be mistreated in factory farms.  They might take issue with how we get there (if e.g. we just slaughtered all food animals, or turned them loose, etc.), but I think they would actually prefer extinction over "torture" for animals.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As I understand your post , you 're saying that animals domesticated solely for food will ( mostly ) die out if this lab meat process goes ahead .
I think PETA and others who refuse to eat meat based on the common mistreatment of factory farm animals ( " Ethical vegetarians " ) would say that it 's better for these species not to exist than to be mistreated in factory farms .
They might take issue with how we get there ( if e.g .
we just slaughtered all food animals , or turned them loose , etc .
) , but I think they would actually prefer extinction over " torture " for animals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I understand your post, you're saying that animals domesticated solely for food will (mostly) die out if this lab meat process goes ahead.
I think PETA and others who refuse to eat meat based on the common mistreatment of factory farm animals ("Ethical vegetarians") would say that it's better for these species not to exist than to be mistreated in factory farms.
They might take issue with how we get there (if e.g.
we just slaughtered all food animals, or turned them loose, etc.
), but I think they would actually prefer extinction over "torture" for animals.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276758</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259583360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're probably using animal products similar to those already used in animal cell culture. Back when we grew tumor cells for research, we had vendors calling us up to see if we'd buy their fetal calf serum, which is just what it sounds like. Although there are some cell lines that will do OK without the serum, many depend upon it.

</p><p>From this, there are huge questions about maintenance of the cell lines- and contamination. In order to keep cell lines "clean," they're usually doped with antibiotics and biocides. But these won't get rid of viruses; anyone who's grown cells can tell you they can catch viruses from the environment- and some cell lines may carry them on in perpetuity. There have been concerns that the polio virus, grown up in green monkey cells for making vaccines, may have had hitchhikers- other viruses that are not too good for us.

</p><p>Very messy stuff indeed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're probably using animal products similar to those already used in animal cell culture .
Back when we grew tumor cells for research , we had vendors calling us up to see if we 'd buy their fetal calf serum , which is just what it sounds like .
Although there are some cell lines that will do OK without the serum , many depend upon it .
From this , there are huge questions about maintenance of the cell lines- and contamination .
In order to keep cell lines " clean , " they 're usually doped with antibiotics and biocides .
But these wo n't get rid of viruses ; anyone who 's grown cells can tell you they can catch viruses from the environment- and some cell lines may carry them on in perpetuity .
There have been concerns that the polio virus , grown up in green monkey cells for making vaccines , may have had hitchhikers- other viruses that are not too good for us .
Very messy stuff indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're probably using animal products similar to those already used in animal cell culture.
Back when we grew tumor cells for research, we had vendors calling us up to see if we'd buy their fetal calf serum, which is just what it sounds like.
Although there are some cell lines that will do OK without the serum, many depend upon it.
From this, there are huge questions about maintenance of the cell lines- and contamination.
In order to keep cell lines "clean," they're usually doped with antibiotics and biocides.
But these won't get rid of viruses; anyone who's grown cells can tell you they can catch viruses from the environment- and some cell lines may carry them on in perpetuity.
There have been concerns that the polio virus, grown up in green monkey cells for making vaccines, may have had hitchhikers- other viruses that are not too good for us.
Very messy stuff indeed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276654</id>
	<title>No slig tag yet?</title>
	<author>bitMonster</author>
	<datestamp>1259582880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I expected somebody to mention slig or ask if Professor Post is a Bene Tleilax.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I expected somebody to mention slig or ask if Professor Post is a Bene Tleilax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I expected somebody to mention slig or ask if Professor Post is a Bene Tleilax.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277228</id>
	<title>"Organic Meat Product"</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1259585460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd prefer Soylent Green to soggy pseudo-pork any day!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd prefer Soylent Green to soggy pseudo-pork any day !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd prefer Soylent Green to soggy pseudo-pork any day!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277758</id>
	<title>Re:Weird thought</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259588580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And why, rationally speaking, would anyone be against the eating of vat-grown human meat? Sure, there might be a taboo now, but once the absence of consequences make it irrelevant...<br>Plus, I'd think that this artificial human meat could be much more useful for us, assuming it contains every nutriment we need...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And why , rationally speaking , would anyone be against the eating of vat-grown human meat ?
Sure , there might be a taboo now , but once the absence of consequences make it irrelevant...Plus , I 'd think that this artificial human meat could be much more useful for us , assuming it contains every nutriment we need.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And why, rationally speaking, would anyone be against the eating of vat-grown human meat?
Sure, there might be a taboo now, but once the absence of consequences make it irrelevant...Plus, I'd think that this artificial human meat could be much more useful for us, assuming it contains every nutriment we need...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30279096</id>
	<title>Re:Exercizing Meat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259599980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you were a teenager, you probably exercised your meat a lot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you were a teenager , you probably exercised your meat a lot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you were a teenager, you probably exercised your meat a lot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276764</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259583420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about massive reduction in methane, massive reduction in water usage, no steroids, antibiotics and growth hormones in the pseudo-meat? Beef farming is one of the worst industries for the environment on the planet. Anything that cuts down on beef farming is likely to be a pretty good step in the right direction for us all.</p><p>But like all "breakthroughs", this doesn't exist, it'll be "10 years away" from production and won't make it passed the huge farming lobbying groups around the world. Not that there's anything stopping the carrot munchers from swapping industries themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about massive reduction in methane , massive reduction in water usage , no steroids , antibiotics and growth hormones in the pseudo-meat ?
Beef farming is one of the worst industries for the environment on the planet .
Anything that cuts down on beef farming is likely to be a pretty good step in the right direction for us all.But like all " breakthroughs " , this does n't exist , it 'll be " 10 years away " from production and wo n't make it passed the huge farming lobbying groups around the world .
Not that there 's anything stopping the carrot munchers from swapping industries themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about massive reduction in methane, massive reduction in water usage, no steroids, antibiotics and growth hormones in the pseudo-meat?
Beef farming is one of the worst industries for the environment on the planet.
Anything that cuts down on beef farming is likely to be a pretty good step in the right direction for us all.But like all "breakthroughs", this doesn't exist, it'll be "10 years away" from production and won't make it passed the huge farming lobbying groups around the world.
Not that there's anything stopping the carrot munchers from swapping industries themselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275468</id>
	<title>I hereby volunteer 10cc of muscle tissue ...</title>
	<author>lysdexia</author>
	<datestamp>1259578680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have no qualms about people all over the world eating me.<br>

In fact, I'd like to invite you all to eat me, right now. <br>

Bon Apetit!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no qualms about people all over the world eating me .
In fact , I 'd like to invite you all to eat me , right now .
Bon Apetit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have no qualms about people all over the world eating me.
In fact, I'd like to invite you all to eat me, right now.
Bon Apetit!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275518</id>
	<title>Did Peta Read The Article?</title>
	<author>coolmoose25</author>
	<datestamp>1259578860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the article...<blockquote><div><p>"The cells were then incubated in a solution containing nutrients to encourage them to multiply indefinitely. This nutritious &ldquo;broth&rdquo; is derived from the blood products of animal foetuses, although the intention is to come up with a synthetic solution.</p></div></blockquote><p>
So lets see... leaving aside for the moment blood borne illness issues, right now we'd have to grow the "artificial" meat using animal fetus blood... and where will we get all that animal fetus blood?  Perhaps we can just raise animal fetuses?  And how will the "synthetic" solution be made?  From "synthetic" fetuses?  Turtles all the way down, I think.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article... " The cells were then incubated in a solution containing nutrients to encourage them to multiply indefinitely .
This nutritious    broth    is derived from the blood products of animal foetuses , although the intention is to come up with a synthetic solution .
So lets see... leaving aside for the moment blood borne illness issues , right now we 'd have to grow the " artificial " meat using animal fetus blood... and where will we get all that animal fetus blood ?
Perhaps we can just raise animal fetuses ?
And how will the " synthetic " solution be made ?
From " synthetic " fetuses ?
Turtles all the way down , I think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article..."The cells were then incubated in a solution containing nutrients to encourage them to multiply indefinitely.
This nutritious “broth” is derived from the blood products of animal foetuses, although the intention is to come up with a synthetic solution.
So lets see... leaving aside for the moment blood borne illness issues, right now we'd have to grow the "artificial" meat using animal fetus blood... and where will we get all that animal fetus blood?
Perhaps we can just raise animal fetuses?
And how will the "synthetic" solution be made?
From "synthetic" fetuses?
Turtles all the way down, I think.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277822</id>
	<title>We've come a long way if the question  is</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1259589000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered", rather then "how could you know you are eating "organic" and not genetically modified Frankenstein lab grown artificial vat food".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered " , rather then " how could you know you are eating " organic " and not genetically modified Frankenstein lab grown artificial vat food " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered", rather then "how could you know you are eating "organic" and not genetically modified Frankenstein lab grown artificial vat food".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275678</id>
	<title>OMG!!!</title>
	<author>nixtanatos</author>
	<datestamp>1259579460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fake BBQ!!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fake BBQ ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fake BBQ!!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30299140</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259605080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The meat broth is currently required for their prototype process, but I doubt that will continue, or else this will never be a commercially viable system.  They might be able to get the protein and calories from an algae culture, for instance</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The meat broth is currently required for their prototype process , but I doubt that will continue , or else this will never be a commercially viable system .
They might be able to get the protein and calories from an algae culture , for instance</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The meat broth is currently required for their prototype process, but I doubt that will continue, or else this will never be a commercially viable system.
They might be able to get the protein and calories from an algae culture, for instance</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277300</id>
	<title>anon coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259585820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what the f&amp;*X!!<br>scientists doing stuff like this is akin to arranging the deck chairs on the titanic (AND reads like the intro to a zombie video game)<br>"science" rolls apace it seems, yes very clever i cant wait till they invent a bee that can live with us. these "scientists" should do us all a favour and jump off something nice and high! pure science is beautiful but this weird crap should be consigned to mental institutions, i mean why? just why?<br>sure it "furthers our undersatnding" but of what? of becoming hideous soulless beings with nothing but our own convenience as motivators for great thought.<br>if you are reading this biology man why not put your efforts in to developing something useful like- as ive suggested a cure for CCD perhaps? if thats not fixable then your fake meat will not have any takers i can assure you.<br>biology has been hijacked by frankensteins bastard children and medical,live forever loonies (FFS doc stop it- all these people are destroying our world) -i have a dog who can open doors and turn lights on and off- amazing i thought- but he just does it -he was never trained to, i certainly didnt waste time or money or valuable mind power and lab time to achieve this.<br>when the oceans are getting so acidic cos of CO2 that they just die, when our ecosystem is in such flux that we have jellyfish plagues and massive flooding, when there are no trees left we can all be happy cos we have fake meat?!??!?!!?!<br>humanity deserves armageddon.<br>truth is a bitch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what the f&amp; * X !
! scientists doing stuff like this is akin to arranging the deck chairs on the titanic ( AND reads like the intro to a zombie video game ) " science " rolls apace it seems , yes very clever i cant wait till they invent a bee that can live with us .
these " scientists " should do us all a favour and jump off something nice and high !
pure science is beautiful but this weird crap should be consigned to mental institutions , i mean why ?
just why ? sure it " furthers our undersatnding " but of what ?
of becoming hideous soulless beings with nothing but our own convenience as motivators for great thought.if you are reading this biology man why not put your efforts in to developing something useful like- as ive suggested a cure for CCD perhaps ?
if thats not fixable then your fake meat will not have any takers i can assure you.biology has been hijacked by frankensteins bastard children and medical,live forever loonies ( FFS doc stop it- all these people are destroying our world ) -i have a dog who can open doors and turn lights on and off- amazing i thought- but he just does it -he was never trained to , i certainly didnt waste time or money or valuable mind power and lab time to achieve this.when the oceans are getting so acidic cos of CO2 that they just die , when our ecosystem is in such flux that we have jellyfish plagues and massive flooding , when there are no trees left we can all be happy cos we have fake meat ? ! ? ? ! ? ! ! ?
! humanity deserves armageddon.truth is a bitch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what the f&amp;*X!
!scientists doing stuff like this is akin to arranging the deck chairs on the titanic (AND reads like the intro to a zombie video game)"science" rolls apace it seems, yes very clever i cant wait till they invent a bee that can live with us.
these "scientists" should do us all a favour and jump off something nice and high!
pure science is beautiful but this weird crap should be consigned to mental institutions, i mean why?
just why?sure it "furthers our undersatnding" but of what?
of becoming hideous soulless beings with nothing but our own convenience as motivators for great thought.if you are reading this biology man why not put your efforts in to developing something useful like- as ive suggested a cure for CCD perhaps?
if thats not fixable then your fake meat will not have any takers i can assure you.biology has been hijacked by frankensteins bastard children and medical,live forever loonies (FFS doc stop it- all these people are destroying our world) -i have a dog who can open doors and turn lights on and off- amazing i thought- but he just does it -he was never trained to, i certainly didnt waste time or money or valuable mind power and lab time to achieve this.when the oceans are getting so acidic cos of CO2 that they just die, when our ecosystem is in such flux that we have jellyfish plagues and massive flooding, when there are no trees left we can all be happy cos we have fake meat?!??!?!!?
!humanity deserves armageddon.truth is a bitch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275820</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>kappa962</author>
	<datestamp>1259579940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not sure why this product is even necessary. Is a vegetarian diet really that awful that we need to market meat that doesn't come from animals to supplement it? If eating the flesh of previously living creatures is disgusting to you, why is fake meat any more appetizing? It's easy to say that it's takes less resources to produce than real meat, but how does it compare to the vegetable foods that we already have, and that are already quite delicious? Furthermore, from a culinary standpoint, it doesn't seem likely that it will ever match meat from a real animal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure why this product is even necessary .
Is a vegetarian diet really that awful that we need to market meat that does n't come from animals to supplement it ?
If eating the flesh of previously living creatures is disgusting to you , why is fake meat any more appetizing ?
It 's easy to say that it 's takes less resources to produce than real meat , but how does it compare to the vegetable foods that we already have , and that are already quite delicious ?
Furthermore , from a culinary standpoint , it does n't seem likely that it will ever match meat from a real animal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure why this product is even necessary.
Is a vegetarian diet really that awful that we need to market meat that doesn't come from animals to supplement it?
If eating the flesh of previously living creatures is disgusting to you, why is fake meat any more appetizing?
It's easy to say that it's takes less resources to produce than real meat, but how does it compare to the vegetable foods that we already have, and that are already quite delicious?
Furthermore, from a culinary standpoint, it doesn't seem likely that it will ever match meat from a real animal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276788</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>sheetsda</author>
	<datestamp>1259583420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>improvement over their stupid tirade about Obama swatting a housefly.</i></p><p>Can you provide a link to said tirade? I can only find this reaction:</p><p><i>He isn&rsquo;t the Buddha, he&rsquo;s a human being and human beings have a long way to go before they think before they act.</i></p><p><a href="http://planetgreen.discovery.com/work-connect/obama-fly-swat.html" title="discovery.com">This article</a> [discovery.com] implies that PETA said very little and the media ran with it.  Not that they haven't had more than their share of bat-shit crazy moments but I don't think this was one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>improvement over their stupid tirade about Obama swatting a housefly.Can you provide a link to said tirade ?
I can only find this reaction : He isn    t the Buddha , he    s a human being and human beings have a long way to go before they think before they act.This article [ discovery.com ] implies that PETA said very little and the media ran with it .
Not that they have n't had more than their share of bat-shit crazy moments but I do n't think this was one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>improvement over their stupid tirade about Obama swatting a housefly.Can you provide a link to said tirade?
I can only find this reaction:He isn’t the Buddha, he’s a human being and human beings have a long way to go before they think before they act.This article [discovery.com] implies that PETA said very little and the media ran with it.
Not that they haven't had more than their share of bat-shit crazy moments but I don't think this was one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278796</id>
	<title>I don't see why people are complaining</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259597520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see why people complain about this,...<br>you know EXACTLY where it came from.<br>you know it's never lived in a pile of mud and faeces.<br>It is likely to be much cleaner (from germs).<br>no animals harmed in the making.<br>it can be mass produced and modified using various blends of nutritional ingredients to taste great.<br>no bomes.</p><p>what's not to like</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see why people complain about this,...you know EXACTLY where it came from.you know it 's never lived in a pile of mud and faeces.It is likely to be much cleaner ( from germs ) .no animals harmed in the making.it can be mass produced and modified using various blends of nutritional ingredients to taste great.no bomes.what 's not to like</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see why people complain about this,...you know EXACTLY where it came from.you know it's never lived in a pile of mud and faeces.It is likely to be much cleaner (from germs).no animals harmed in the making.it can be mass produced and modified using various blends of nutritional ingredients to taste great.no bomes.what's not to like</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30280414</id>
	<title>Asimov</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259658120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am not really looking forward to a time where our meat is artificially produced in factories... Am I the only one who is thinking of the horribly smelling yeast vats and algae farms on Trantor?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not really looking forward to a time where our meat is artificially produced in factories... Am I the only one who is thinking of the horribly smelling yeast vats and algae farms on Trantor ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not really looking forward to a time where our meat is artificially produced in factories... Am I the only one who is thinking of the horribly smelling yeast vats and algae farms on Trantor?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277006</id>
	<title>Re:...What?</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1259584380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Do they just have a total ignorance of basic business law?</p><p>Most people do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Do they just have a total ignorance of basic business law ? Most people do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Do they just have a total ignorance of basic business law?Most people do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277324</id>
	<title>Re:From The Article</title>
	<author>Qzukk</author>
	<datestamp>1259585940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>go to the place they are making the meat</i></p><p>You mean the place they told you they were making the meat.  'Round back is the slaughterhouse where the stuff you bought actually came from.</p><p>I think you underestimate the power of "or else you lose your job" when it comes to keeping secrets.  If people really were as glib as you suggest, we wouldn't have <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/27/business/27whistle.html" title="nytimes.com">whistle-blower laws</a> [nytimes.com], everyone would be bouncing around like a giddy 6 year old screaming "I've got a secret I've got a secret".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>go to the place they are making the meatYou mean the place they told you they were making the meat .
'Round back is the slaughterhouse where the stuff you bought actually came from.I think you underestimate the power of " or else you lose your job " when it comes to keeping secrets .
If people really were as glib as you suggest , we would n't have whistle-blower laws [ nytimes.com ] , everyone would be bouncing around like a giddy 6 year old screaming " I 've got a secret I 've got a secret " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>go to the place they are making the meatYou mean the place they told you they were making the meat.
'Round back is the slaughterhouse where the stuff you bought actually came from.I think you underestimate the power of "or else you lose your job" when it comes to keeping secrets.
If people really were as glib as you suggest, we wouldn't have whistle-blower laws [nytimes.com], everyone would be bouncing around like a giddy 6 year old screaming "I've got a secret I've got a secret".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278460</id>
	<title>Interesting</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1259594760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That means we will soon see the Animal Rights activists facing off against the Natural Food activists. Wonder who's going to win that one. The Organic Produce people know a bit about nutrition so they'll probably have more stamina when it comes to blows.</p><p>FIGHT!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That means we will soon see the Animal Rights activists facing off against the Natural Food activists .
Wonder who 's going to win that one .
The Organic Produce people know a bit about nutrition so they 'll probably have more stamina when it comes to blows.FIGHT !
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That means we will soon see the Animal Rights activists facing off against the Natural Food activists.
Wonder who's going to win that one.
The Organic Produce people know a bit about nutrition so they'll probably have more stamina when it comes to blows.FIGHT!
:P</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278724</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259596980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>OK, how do you produce the equivalent of 1 million animals with one animal without violating the laws of thermodynamics?<br>In order to get the same calories out you need to get the same, or more, calories in. For meat it is in the range of 10 times the calories from veggies (e.g. corn) to get one calorie of meat.</p><p>They talk about a "meat broth". This is where the calories come from. No big change. In fact it may be worse since it is higher on the food chain, you have to first produce the meat for the broth then grow the "meat" stuff. And if they switch to veg. protein we would be better off eating soy or tempeh.</p><p>I shudder to think of the meat rendering waste they will use for the broth. And if meat is still required to make meat, PETA just screwed up.</p></div><p>It's no more a violation of thermodynamics than it is when bacterial colonies grow in a petri dish or when stem cells take on the characteristics of another type of cell.</p><p>I suggest you RTFA again, sir.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , how do you produce the equivalent of 1 million animals with one animal without violating the laws of thermodynamics ? In order to get the same calories out you need to get the same , or more , calories in .
For meat it is in the range of 10 times the calories from veggies ( e.g .
corn ) to get one calorie of meat.They talk about a " meat broth " .
This is where the calories come from .
No big change .
In fact it may be worse since it is higher on the food chain , you have to first produce the meat for the broth then grow the " meat " stuff .
And if they switch to veg .
protein we would be better off eating soy or tempeh.I shudder to think of the meat rendering waste they will use for the broth .
And if meat is still required to make meat , PETA just screwed up.It 's no more a violation of thermodynamics than it is when bacterial colonies grow in a petri dish or when stem cells take on the characteristics of another type of cell.I suggest you RTFA again , sir .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, how do you produce the equivalent of 1 million animals with one animal without violating the laws of thermodynamics?In order to get the same calories out you need to get the same, or more, calories in.
For meat it is in the range of 10 times the calories from veggies (e.g.
corn) to get one calorie of meat.They talk about a "meat broth".
This is where the calories come from.
No big change.
In fact it may be worse since it is higher on the food chain, you have to first produce the meat for the broth then grow the "meat" stuff.
And if they switch to veg.
protein we would be better off eating soy or tempeh.I shudder to think of the meat rendering waste they will use for the broth.
And if meat is still required to make meat, PETA just screwed up.It's no more a violation of thermodynamics than it is when bacterial colonies grow in a petri dish or when stem cells take on the characteristics of another type of cell.I suggest you RTFA again, sir.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276638</id>
	<title>Better of Ted</title>
	<author>kalirion</author>
	<datestamp>1259582880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does it <a href="http://www.hulu.com/watch/111111/better-off-ted-heroes" title="hulu.com">cost $10,000/lb</a> [hulu.com]?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it cost $ 10,000/lb [ hulu.com ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it cost $10,000/lb [hulu.com]?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278634</id>
	<title>Re:Not so fast...</title>
	<author>Mia'cova</author>
	<datestamp>1259596140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PETA has a $1 million prize for whoever brings it to market first. Isn't that saying enough?</p><p><a href="http://www.peta.org/feat\_in\_vitro\_contest.asp" title="peta.org">http://www.peta.org/feat\_in\_vitro\_contest.asp</a> [peta.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PETA has a $ 1 million prize for whoever brings it to market first .
Is n't that saying enough ? http : //www.peta.org/feat \ _in \ _vitro \ _contest.asp [ peta.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PETA has a $1 million prize for whoever brings it to market first.
Isn't that saying enough?http://www.peta.org/feat\_in\_vitro\_contest.asp [peta.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275450</id>
	<title>Re:Soggy Meat?</title>
	<author>bugnuts</author>
	<datestamp>1259578680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ignoring the obvious innuendos... that leads to another interesting question:</p><p><b>If it was made from grown human cells, is eating it cannibalism?</b></p><p>What if it was grown from your own cells?  I know I've consumed plenty of my own cells (don't go there, get your mind out of the gutter), but what if I grew myself some delicious Bugnuts Soggy Meat(tm)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ignoring the obvious innuendos... that leads to another interesting question : If it was made from grown human cells , is eating it cannibalism ? What if it was grown from your own cells ?
I know I 've consumed plenty of my own cells ( do n't go there , get your mind out of the gutter ) , but what if I grew myself some delicious Bugnuts Soggy Meat ( tm ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ignoring the obvious innuendos... that leads to another interesting question:If it was made from grown human cells, is eating it cannibalism?What if it was grown from your own cells?
I know I've consumed plenty of my own cells (don't go there, get your mind out of the gutter), but what if I grew myself some delicious Bugnuts Soggy Meat(tm)?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276092</id>
	<title>Sounds like the beginnings of the Tleilaxu</title>
	<author>kelzer</author>
	<datestamp>1259580840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If females start disappearing from our society we're in trouble.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If females start disappearing from our society we 're in trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If females start disappearing from our society we're in trouble.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276682</id>
	<title>Re:My Hope</title>
	<author>strawberryutopia</author>
	<datestamp>1259583060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My hope is that this technology will be scrapped in favour of some sort of genetically modified animal capable of providing us with bacon, ham AND pork!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My hope is that this technology will be scrapped in favour of some sort of genetically modified animal capable of providing us with bacon , ham AND pork !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My hope is that this technology will be scrapped in favour of some sort of genetically modified animal capable of providing us with bacon, ham AND pork!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30279218</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Fictional Tag! The Space Merchants</title>
	<author>cstacy</author>
	<datestamp>1259601300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll be enjoying my Chicken Little patty with some ice cold Cokie Mokie!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll be enjoying my Chicken Little patty with some ice cold Cokie Mokie !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll be enjoying my Chicken Little patty with some ice cold Cokie Mokie!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277016</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259584440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Animals make bones, organs, and movement, none of which are meat. Meat does not make bones, organs, or movement.  Moving around, especially, uses a whole lot of energy, which is why meat takes so much plant matter to raise.</p><p>2) If they switch to veg. protien, we will NOT be better off eating soy or tempeh; meat is vastly superior, in that it contains no dangerous phytoestrogens, nor does it taste like tempeh.</p><p>3) If you shudder to think of the meat rendering waste used for the broth, you probably ought to stay away from animal products entirely. And if you're going to do that, why do you give a shit about artificial meat?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Animals make bones , organs , and movement , none of which are meat .
Meat does not make bones , organs , or movement .
Moving around , especially , uses a whole lot of energy , which is why meat takes so much plant matter to raise.2 ) If they switch to veg .
protien , we will NOT be better off eating soy or tempeh ; meat is vastly superior , in that it contains no dangerous phytoestrogens , nor does it taste like tempeh.3 ) If you shudder to think of the meat rendering waste used for the broth , you probably ought to stay away from animal products entirely .
And if you 're going to do that , why do you give a shit about artificial meat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Animals make bones, organs, and movement, none of which are meat.
Meat does not make bones, organs, or movement.
Moving around, especially, uses a whole lot of energy, which is why meat takes so much plant matter to raise.2) If they switch to veg.
protien, we will NOT be better off eating soy or tempeh; meat is vastly superior, in that it contains no dangerous phytoestrogens, nor does it taste like tempeh.3) If you shudder to think of the meat rendering waste used for the broth, you probably ought to stay away from animal products entirely.
And if you're going to do that, why do you give a shit about artificial meat?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276970</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>gstoddart</author>
	<datestamp>1259584260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm not sure why this product is even necessary. Is a vegetarian diet really that awful that we need to market meat that doesn't come from animals to supplement it?</p></div></blockquote><p>No, and I have no idea of what PETA is on about -- for me as a vegetarian, I would <em>not</em> be willing to eat this stuff.  It sounds just really nasty and gross.  PETA is <em>only</em> really worried about the animals in a "won't someone think of the animals" sort of knee-jerk reaction.</p><blockquote><div><p>If eating the flesh of previously living creatures is disgusting to you, why is fake meat any more appetizing?</p></div></blockquote><p>This is even less appetizing for me -- now instead of being a dead animal, it's <em>something</em> which is grown in a vat, that sounds disgusting and un-appetizing, and I'm not sure I fully understand how it would be scientifically classified.  I mean, genetically is it cow, but grown in a sterile vat and never part of what we'd call an organism?  So, like a colony of beef cells??  That's just<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... wrong.</p><blockquote><div><p>It's easy to say that it's takes less resources to produce than real meat, but how does it compare to the vegetable foods that we already have, and that are already quite delicious?</p></div></blockquote><p>I, for one, will continue to expand my repertoire of vegetarian dishes made from identifiable vegetables, and mixing and matching cooking techniques and spices.  It's not that tough.</p><p>It seems about every six months or so this topic of vat-grown meat ends up on Slashdot, and everyone talks about if it would be ethical for a vegetarian to eat this goo.  I can't imagine it would be attractive to anyone, vegetarian or not.  It sure as hell isn't going to drive vegetarians back to meat via eating never-been-alive-or-dead slurry of something which is (vaguely) beef.</p><p>Me, I'm just shuddering thinking of this.</p><p>Cheers</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 'm not sure why this product is even necessary .
Is a vegetarian diet really that awful that we need to market meat that does n't come from animals to supplement it ? No , and I have no idea of what PETA is on about -- for me as a vegetarian , I would not be willing to eat this stuff .
It sounds just really nasty and gross .
PETA is only really worried about the animals in a " wo n't someone think of the animals " sort of knee-jerk reaction.If eating the flesh of previously living creatures is disgusting to you , why is fake meat any more appetizing ? This is even less appetizing for me -- now instead of being a dead animal , it 's something which is grown in a vat , that sounds disgusting and un-appetizing , and I 'm not sure I fully understand how it would be scientifically classified .
I mean , genetically is it cow , but grown in a sterile vat and never part of what we 'd call an organism ?
So , like a colony of beef cells ? ?
That 's just ... wrong.It 's easy to say that it 's takes less resources to produce than real meat , but how does it compare to the vegetable foods that we already have , and that are already quite delicious ? I , for one , will continue to expand my repertoire of vegetarian dishes made from identifiable vegetables , and mixing and matching cooking techniques and spices .
It 's not that tough.It seems about every six months or so this topic of vat-grown meat ends up on Slashdot , and everyone talks about if it would be ethical for a vegetarian to eat this goo .
I ca n't imagine it would be attractive to anyone , vegetarian or not .
It sure as hell is n't going to drive vegetarians back to meat via eating never-been-alive-or-dead slurry of something which is ( vaguely ) beef.Me , I 'm just shuddering thinking of this.Cheers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure why this product is even necessary.
Is a vegetarian diet really that awful that we need to market meat that doesn't come from animals to supplement it?No, and I have no idea of what PETA is on about -- for me as a vegetarian, I would not be willing to eat this stuff.
It sounds just really nasty and gross.
PETA is only really worried about the animals in a "won't someone think of the animals" sort of knee-jerk reaction.If eating the flesh of previously living creatures is disgusting to you, why is fake meat any more appetizing?This is even less appetizing for me -- now instead of being a dead animal, it's something which is grown in a vat, that sounds disgusting and un-appetizing, and I'm not sure I fully understand how it would be scientifically classified.
I mean, genetically is it cow, but grown in a sterile vat and never part of what we'd call an organism?
So, like a colony of beef cells??
That's just ... wrong.It's easy to say that it's takes less resources to produce than real meat, but how does it compare to the vegetable foods that we already have, and that are already quite delicious?I, for one, will continue to expand my repertoire of vegetarian dishes made from identifiable vegetables, and mixing and matching cooking techniques and spices.
It's not that tough.It seems about every six months or so this topic of vat-grown meat ends up on Slashdot, and everyone talks about if it would be ethical for a vegetarian to eat this goo.
I can't imagine it would be attractive to anyone, vegetarian or not.
It sure as hell isn't going to drive vegetarians back to meat via eating never-been-alive-or-dead slurry of something which is (vaguely) beef.Me, I'm just shuddering thinking of this.Cheers
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30280678</id>
	<title>Not normal farm animal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259661420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>you wouldn't have to grow a lot of food to feed animals)</i> <br>Normal farm animal here around don't need much energy : they are left around to pasture which would ANYWAY not be used (or are not even usable) as grain or legumes field. So the energy at most expanded is negligible, at least until the point where they are transported to the slaughter house or the meat slabs from the slaughterhouse to the factory or the shop. It is only the big factory farm which use either animal meal (dead animals put into meals to feed more protein) or grains. Small farmer do not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>you would n't have to grow a lot of food to feed animals ) Normal farm animal here around do n't need much energy : they are left around to pasture which would ANYWAY not be used ( or are not even usable ) as grain or legumes field .
So the energy at most expanded is negligible , at least until the point where they are transported to the slaughter house or the meat slabs from the slaughterhouse to the factory or the shop .
It is only the big factory farm which use either animal meal ( dead animals put into meals to feed more protein ) or grains .
Small farmer do not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you wouldn't have to grow a lot of food to feed animals) Normal farm animal here around don't need much energy : they are left around to pasture which would ANYWAY not be used (or are not even usable) as grain or legumes field.
So the energy at most expanded is negligible, at least until the point where they are transported to the slaughter house or the meat slabs from the slaughterhouse to the factory or the shop.
It is only the big factory farm which use either animal meal (dead animals put into meals to feed more protein) or grains.
Small farmer do not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275510</id>
	<title>Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>Dr. Eggman</author>
	<datestamp>1259578800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This Artifical Meat is going to backfire on PETA. If, in 5-10 years, this Artificial Meat market becomes big enough to surpass traditional meat harvesting techniques, what does PETA think will happen to all that cattle and other like animals? What are we just going to give them up and let them live free? No, we'll slaughter the livestock we have as we transition to the new method. Then, we expand over the previous land we used to graze and keep the animals; replacing (more or less) open land with whatever vats, structures, and buildings we need to develope SyntheSteak. Domesticated populations will plummet and wild populations will be no better off, the net result will be fewer animals in the world (but more meat!)<br> <br>Don't read too much into this yammering post; I'm all for this idea. <br> <br>I simply wonder why PETA still thinks being stuck in the farm is worse than what we've (historically) done to animals that don't serve as useful a purpose. If the cow or pig isn't being used, I would expect us to (intentionally or not) create conditions in their environment which pushes them out and dwindles their population, not unlike we've done to wolves or such.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This Artifical Meat is going to backfire on PETA .
If , in 5-10 years , this Artificial Meat market becomes big enough to surpass traditional meat harvesting techniques , what does PETA think will happen to all that cattle and other like animals ?
What are we just going to give them up and let them live free ?
No , we 'll slaughter the livestock we have as we transition to the new method .
Then , we expand over the previous land we used to graze and keep the animals ; replacing ( more or less ) open land with whatever vats , structures , and buildings we need to develope SyntheSteak .
Domesticated populations will plummet and wild populations will be no better off , the net result will be fewer animals in the world ( but more meat !
) Do n't read too much into this yammering post ; I 'm all for this idea .
I simply wonder why PETA still thinks being stuck in the farm is worse than what we 've ( historically ) done to animals that do n't serve as useful a purpose .
If the cow or pig is n't being used , I would expect us to ( intentionally or not ) create conditions in their environment which pushes them out and dwindles their population , not unlike we 've done to wolves or such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This Artifical Meat is going to backfire on PETA.
If, in 5-10 years, this Artificial Meat market becomes big enough to surpass traditional meat harvesting techniques, what does PETA think will happen to all that cattle and other like animals?
What are we just going to give them up and let them live free?
No, we'll slaughter the livestock we have as we transition to the new method.
Then, we expand over the previous land we used to graze and keep the animals; replacing (more or less) open land with whatever vats, structures, and buildings we need to develope SyntheSteak.
Domesticated populations will plummet and wild populations will be no better off, the net result will be fewer animals in the world (but more meat!
) Don't read too much into this yammering post; I'm all for this idea.
I simply wonder why PETA still thinks being stuck in the farm is worse than what we've (historically) done to animals that don't serve as useful a purpose.
If the cow or pig isn't being used, I would expect us to (intentionally or not) create conditions in their environment which pushes them out and dwindles their population, not unlike we've done to wolves or such.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30281232</id>
	<title>Re:Tastes Like</title>
	<author>s1lverl0rd</author>
	<datestamp>1259666700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My dog is a little strange, you think he'd taste... wait never mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My dog is a little strange , you think he 'd taste... wait never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My dog is a little strange, you think he'd taste... wait never mind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275708</id>
	<title>How much energy, chemicals, etc. does it take</title>
	<author>h4x354x0r</author>
	<datestamp>1259579580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>to make the stuff? I hope it's more efficient than making ethanol.</htmltext>
<tokenext>to make the stuff ?
I hope it 's more efficient than making ethanol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to make the stuff?
I hope it's more efficient than making ethanol.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276022</id>
	<title>Can't wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259580600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>..until they plug human cells into that! Yummy!</p><p>(or maybe there is some ethical objection to eating that meat after all)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..until they plug human cells into that !
Yummy ! ( or maybe there is some ethical objection to eating that meat after all )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..until they plug human cells into that!
Yummy!(or maybe there is some ethical objection to eating that meat after all)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278088</id>
	<title>Reminds me of...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259591100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>This reminds me of the Torchwood Episode "Meat".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me of the Torchwood Episode " Meat " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me of the Torchwood Episode "Meat".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30287508</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259699880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> never again would people have to eat "stew beef", as everyone could have filet minion, since it probably wouldn't cost any more to make than a synthetic version of a cheaper cut.</p></div><p>Can we have the artificial stew beef too please? I like variety in my fake meat.</p></div>
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<tokenext>never again would people have to eat " stew beef " , as everyone could have filet minion , since it probably would n't cost any more to make than a synthetic version of a cheaper cut.Can we have the artificial stew beef too please ?
I like variety in my fake meat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> never again would people have to eat "stew beef", as everyone could have filet minion, since it probably wouldn't cost any more to make than a synthetic version of a cheaper cut.Can we have the artificial stew beef too please?
I like variety in my fake meat.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276994</id>
	<title>Re:From The Article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259584380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>You're retarded. You can already get fake vegan meat, and guess what- lots of it is actually based on animal products! [1]</p><p>Oh noes, it must be some nefarious cartoon-like scheme to get the gullible vegans to eat shit they don't want!</p><p>Or, maybe a restaurant just buys from some one who buys from someone else who is buying many ingredients and putting them together in a factory managed by a third party. As it turns out one or more of those actors really could care less if it's vegan or not. If it's even a tiny bit cheaper or more convenient to use animal products, someone will.</p><p>Moral of the story: If you care about something being animal based it makes sense to be skeptical about shit like this.</p><p>1: <a href="http://www.quarrygirl.com/2009/06/28/undercover-investigation-of-la-area-vegan-restaurants/" title="quarrygirl.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.quarrygirl.com/2009/06/28/undercover-investigation-of-la-area-vegan-restaurants/</a> [quarrygirl.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're retarded .
You can already get fake vegan meat , and guess what- lots of it is actually based on animal products !
[ 1 ] Oh noes , it must be some nefarious cartoon-like scheme to get the gullible vegans to eat shit they do n't want ! Or , maybe a restaurant just buys from some one who buys from someone else who is buying many ingredients and putting them together in a factory managed by a third party .
As it turns out one or more of those actors really could care less if it 's vegan or not .
If it 's even a tiny bit cheaper or more convenient to use animal products , someone will.Moral of the story : If you care about something being animal based it makes sense to be skeptical about shit like this.1 : http : //www.quarrygirl.com/2009/06/28/undercover-investigation-of-la-area-vegan-restaurants/ [ quarrygirl.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're retarded.
You can already get fake vegan meat, and guess what- lots of it is actually based on animal products!
[1]Oh noes, it must be some nefarious cartoon-like scheme to get the gullible vegans to eat shit they don't want!Or, maybe a restaurant just buys from some one who buys from someone else who is buying many ingredients and putting them together in a factory managed by a third party.
As it turns out one or more of those actors really could care less if it's vegan or not.
If it's even a tiny bit cheaper or more convenient to use animal products, someone will.Moral of the story: If you care about something being animal based it makes sense to be skeptical about shit like this.1: http://www.quarrygirl.com/2009/06/28/undercover-investigation-of-la-area-vegan-restaurants/ [quarrygirl.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277160</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1259585160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, Obama could swat lab-grown artificial fly meat all day and PETA wouldn't complain. So they're prefectly consistent.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , Obama could swat lab-grown artificial fly meat all day and PETA would n't complain .
So they 're prefectly consistent .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, Obama could swat lab-grown artificial fly meat all day and PETA wouldn't complain.
So they're prefectly consistent.
;)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276380</id>
	<title>How to guarantee it's not real (or people)</title>
	<author>MistarOblivion</author>
	<datestamp>1259581800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I call shenanigans on the Vegetarian Society.

Given that DNA sequencing is getting cheaper and cheaper, by the time this gets to market, it will be very simple to test this.

Just sequence DNA from the 'meat'. Before growing the muscle cells in a dish you could just take out a lot of genes that aren't required to grow muscle, but *are* required to grow a pig - like genes specific to neurons, other organs, etc. That will not affect the meat, and then you can be guaranteed that it's not from a whole pig.

The same of course applies to the Soylent Green argument - if you get (almost entirely) human DNA then you're eating grandma and not fake pig.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I call shenanigans on the Vegetarian Society .
Given that DNA sequencing is getting cheaper and cheaper , by the time this gets to market , it will be very simple to test this .
Just sequence DNA from the 'meat' .
Before growing the muscle cells in a dish you could just take out a lot of genes that are n't required to grow muscle , but * are * required to grow a pig - like genes specific to neurons , other organs , etc .
That will not affect the meat , and then you can be guaranteed that it 's not from a whole pig .
The same of course applies to the Soylent Green argument - if you get ( almost entirely ) human DNA then you 're eating grandma and not fake pig .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I call shenanigans on the Vegetarian Society.
Given that DNA sequencing is getting cheaper and cheaper, by the time this gets to market, it will be very simple to test this.
Just sequence DNA from the 'meat'.
Before growing the muscle cells in a dish you could just take out a lot of genes that aren't required to grow muscle, but *are* required to grow a pig - like genes specific to neurons, other organs, etc.
That will not affect the meat, and then you can be guaranteed that it's not from a whole pig.
The same of course applies to the Soylent Green argument - if you get (almost entirely) human DNA then you're eating grandma and not fake pig.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30279370</id>
	<title>Re:Better Off Ted</title>
	<author>phirewind</author>
	<datestamp>1259602800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>However, I wonder if the final outcome will be the same.  In the end, they found a way to make the meat strong, healthy and delicious, but it was a commercial failure because it cost $10,000 per pound.</htmltext>
<tokenext>However , I wonder if the final outcome will be the same .
In the end , they found a way to make the meat strong , healthy and delicious , but it was a commercial failure because it cost $ 10,000 per pound .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, I wonder if the final outcome will be the same.
In the end, they found a way to make the meat strong, healthy and delicious, but it was a commercial failure because it cost $10,000 per pound.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277184</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259585280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. You're assuming that growing the meat in a vat and raising cattle are equally energy-efficient operations.<br>2. We can already create one million cattle out of just a couple.  The process is called breeding, and it takes (potentially a lot of) time.  It doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics, and it doesn't require any other external animal input; so, in theory at least, neither should vat-growing.<br>3. "Better off" is subjective here.  A meat-lover who also loves animals would find good quality vat-meat priceless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
You 're assuming that growing the meat in a vat and raising cattle are equally energy-efficient operations.2 .
We can already create one million cattle out of just a couple .
The process is called breeding , and it takes ( potentially a lot of ) time .
It does n't violate the laws of thermodynamics , and it does n't require any other external animal input ; so , in theory at least , neither should vat-growing.3 .
" Better off " is subjective here .
A meat-lover who also loves animals would find good quality vat-meat priceless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
You're assuming that growing the meat in a vat and raising cattle are equally energy-efficient operations.2.
We can already create one million cattle out of just a couple.
The process is called breeding, and it takes (potentially a lot of) time.
It doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics, and it doesn't require any other external animal input; so, in theory at least, neither should vat-growing.3.
"Better off" is subjective here.
A meat-lover who also loves animals would find good quality vat-meat priceless.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276486</id>
	<title>Re:Better Off Ted: Test Tub Meat</title>
	<author>Fallen Seraph</author>
	<datestamp>1259582160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.hulu.com/watch/111111/better-off-ted-heroes" title="hulu.com">http://www.hulu.com/watch/111111/better-off-ted-heroes</a> [hulu.com]
<br> <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.hulu.com/watch/111111/better-off-ted-heroes [ hulu.com ] : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.hulu.com/watch/111111/better-off-ted-heroes [hulu.com]
  :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275544</id>
	<title>Is it too soon for a meat garden?</title>
	<author>gimmebeer</author>
	<datestamp>1259578920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How long would it take to grow some ribeye's in my backyard?  Do you have to water them daily?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How long would it take to grow some ribeye 's in my backyard ?
Do you have to water them daily ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long would it take to grow some ribeye's in my backyard?
Do you have to water them daily?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275502</id>
	<title>Tasteless</title>
	<author>ThreeGigs</author>
	<datestamp>1259578800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a foodie, all I have to say is that a large part of the taste of a good steak comes from the FAT content of the meat, and that \_pure\_ 'cultivated' muscle tissue would make for a terrible steak, and an even worse hamburger.</p><p>Until they manage to grow a well-marbled piece of meat, they won't be any better than a tofu burger.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a foodie , all I have to say is that a large part of the taste of a good steak comes from the FAT content of the meat , and that \ _pure \ _ 'cultivated ' muscle tissue would make for a terrible steak , and an even worse hamburger.Until they manage to grow a well-marbled piece of meat , they wo n't be any better than a tofu burger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a foodie, all I have to say is that a large part of the taste of a good steak comes from the FAT content of the meat, and that \_pure\_ 'cultivated' muscle tissue would make for a terrible steak, and an even worse hamburger.Until they manage to grow a well-marbled piece of meat, they won't be any better than a tofu burger.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277558</id>
	<title>Artificial tastes funny</title>
	<author>minion</author>
	<datestamp>1259587320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, I find the pain and suffering adds a unique flavor that would be lacking in artificial meat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I find the pain and suffering adds a unique flavor that would be lacking in artificial meat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I find the pain and suffering adds a unique flavor that would be lacking in artificial meat.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277816</id>
	<title>Re:Better Off Ted</title>
	<author>Mindpoison</author>
	<datestamp>1259589000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Beautiful! I'm so glad someone mentioned this show here.  The producers of this meat should watch that episode to see how Lem and Phil solved the problem.  Then again, perhaps they already have watched the show and this is where their idea came from in the first place?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Beautiful !
I 'm so glad someone mentioned this show here .
The producers of this meat should watch that episode to see how Lem and Phil solved the problem .
Then again , perhaps they already have watched the show and this is where their idea came from in the first place ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beautiful!
I'm so glad someone mentioned this show here.
The producers of this meat should watch that episode to see how Lem and Phil solved the problem.
Then again, perhaps they already have watched the show and this is where their idea came from in the first place?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277888</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>tieTYT</author>
	<datestamp>1259589420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it depends.  Have you ever noticed that the cheese in Europe tastes way better than the cheese in America?  I learned on the discovery/history channel (can't remember which) this is because the American pasteurization process is cheaper but it sacrifices the flavor of the cheese:</p><p>Europe pasteurizes their cheese for longer at a lower temperature which makes it taste better.  Americans pasteurize their cheese for shorter at a higher temperature which makes it cheaper to produce.  So whether the fake meat will taste better really depends on the price it costs to make it and the effort involved.</p><p>Here are some unrelated questions I have:<br>-Why is it so difficult to find good cheese in America?  I'd pay extra for that.<br>-Will cattle farmers/etc. try to prevent the success of this like I've heard oil companies do with new forms of energy?<br>-Will people that normally don't eat certain kinds of meat for religious reasons eat this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it depends .
Have you ever noticed that the cheese in Europe tastes way better than the cheese in America ?
I learned on the discovery/history channel ( ca n't remember which ) this is because the American pasteurization process is cheaper but it sacrifices the flavor of the cheese : Europe pasteurizes their cheese for longer at a lower temperature which makes it taste better .
Americans pasteurize their cheese for shorter at a higher temperature which makes it cheaper to produce .
So whether the fake meat will taste better really depends on the price it costs to make it and the effort involved.Here are some unrelated questions I have : -Why is it so difficult to find good cheese in America ?
I 'd pay extra for that.-Will cattle farmers/etc .
try to prevent the success of this like I 've heard oil companies do with new forms of energy ? -Will people that normally do n't eat certain kinds of meat for religious reasons eat this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it depends.
Have you ever noticed that the cheese in Europe tastes way better than the cheese in America?
I learned on the discovery/history channel (can't remember which) this is because the American pasteurization process is cheaper but it sacrifices the flavor of the cheese:Europe pasteurizes their cheese for longer at a lower temperature which makes it taste better.
Americans pasteurize their cheese for shorter at a higher temperature which makes it cheaper to produce.
So whether the fake meat will taste better really depends on the price it costs to make it and the effort involved.Here are some unrelated questions I have:-Why is it so difficult to find good cheese in America?
I'd pay extra for that.-Will cattle farmers/etc.
try to prevent the success of this like I've heard oil companies do with new forms of energy?-Will people that normally don't eat certain kinds of meat for religious reasons eat this?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30302778</id>
	<title>More meat options for everyone</title>
	<author>azrael29a</author>
	<datestamp>1259576400000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't you mean "much less"?  It seems to me that producing meat in a factory, once the production processes are fine-tuned and volume increased, will cost far LESS than growing real animals.  Less energy would be needed (you wouldn't have to grow a lot of food to feed animals), and the meat would be produced far more quickly, and most importantly, far less labor would be needed: no cowboys, farm hands, etc.</p><p>Just like using mechanized agricultural equipment is far cheaper and more efficient than using slaves in farming, producing meat in factories promises to be cheaper and more efficient, and as a by-product, eliminating animal suffering as well.</p></div><p>Also probably no need for vaccinating (because it will never leave the vat on its own), probably no waste disposal, no stench of the large scale farms, etc.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Also importantly, it'd be possible to create many types of meat cheaply that currently are very expensive due to small supply: filet minion cuts of beef, copper river salmon, veal, Kobe beef, etc.  Think about how little filet minion there is per cow versus all the other cuts (and the waste products); never again would people have to eat "stew beef", as everyone could have filet minion, since it probably wouldn't cost any more to make than a synthetic version of a cheaper cut.</p></div><p>Even better: we could artificially grow game, bush meat, or even the illegal meat of the endangered species! Wouldn't you like to taste a Panda Burger? Or a Lion Steak? Or a crunchy wing of a White Eagle?
I'm sure that China government would sacrifice only 1 Panda foetus to earn millions of dollars on Panda Burgers without risking the extinction of the species<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you mean " much less " ?
It seems to me that producing meat in a factory , once the production processes are fine-tuned and volume increased , will cost far LESS than growing real animals .
Less energy would be needed ( you would n't have to grow a lot of food to feed animals ) , and the meat would be produced far more quickly , and most importantly , far less labor would be needed : no cowboys , farm hands , etc.Just like using mechanized agricultural equipment is far cheaper and more efficient than using slaves in farming , producing meat in factories promises to be cheaper and more efficient , and as a by-product , eliminating animal suffering as well.Also probably no need for vaccinating ( because it will never leave the vat on its own ) , probably no waste disposal , no stench of the large scale farms , etc.Also importantly , it 'd be possible to create many types of meat cheaply that currently are very expensive due to small supply : filet minion cuts of beef , copper river salmon , veal , Kobe beef , etc .
Think about how little filet minion there is per cow versus all the other cuts ( and the waste products ) ; never again would people have to eat " stew beef " , as everyone could have filet minion , since it probably would n't cost any more to make than a synthetic version of a cheaper cut.Even better : we could artificially grow game , bush meat , or even the illegal meat of the endangered species !
Would n't you like to taste a Panda Burger ?
Or a Lion Steak ?
Or a crunchy wing of a White Eagle ?
I 'm sure that China government would sacrifice only 1 Panda foetus to earn millions of dollars on Panda Burgers without risking the extinction of the species : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you mean "much less"?
It seems to me that producing meat in a factory, once the production processes are fine-tuned and volume increased, will cost far LESS than growing real animals.
Less energy would be needed (you wouldn't have to grow a lot of food to feed animals), and the meat would be produced far more quickly, and most importantly, far less labor would be needed: no cowboys, farm hands, etc.Just like using mechanized agricultural equipment is far cheaper and more efficient than using slaves in farming, producing meat in factories promises to be cheaper and more efficient, and as a by-product, eliminating animal suffering as well.Also probably no need for vaccinating (because it will never leave the vat on its own), probably no waste disposal, no stench of the large scale farms, etc.Also importantly, it'd be possible to create many types of meat cheaply that currently are very expensive due to small supply: filet minion cuts of beef, copper river salmon, veal, Kobe beef, etc.
Think about how little filet minion there is per cow versus all the other cuts (and the waste products); never again would people have to eat "stew beef", as everyone could have filet minion, since it probably wouldn't cost any more to make than a synthetic version of a cheaper cut.Even better: we could artificially grow game, bush meat, or even the illegal meat of the endangered species!
Wouldn't you like to taste a Panda Burger?
Or a Lion Steak?
Or a crunchy wing of a White Eagle?
I'm sure that China government would sacrifice only 1 Panda foetus to earn millions of dollars on Panda Burgers without risking the extinction of the species :)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277080</id>
	<title>Safety?</title>
	<author>labradore</author>
	<datestamp>1259584680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Screed warning:
<p>
To me, this seems like germ heaven. There's a reason we have evolved such sophisticated immune systems. The germs have co-evolved with us and their attacks are, by now, orders of magnitude more sophisticated than they were when multi-cellular organisms first appeared. One of the challenges of organizing many types of cells is making sure that the good ones are fed and the bad ones are killed or kept out. One strategy we naturally employ is mutation and randomization.  Sexual reproduction implies that the fittest individuals are the ones which procreate and gives us many more chances to randomize bits of our genetic code which makes it harder for attackers to identify and successfully exploit its host/prey (an multi-cellular animal). Meat from a lab implies a monoculture of genetic material since this minimizes overhead in building and processing each batch. Then the meat must also be protected from germs and parasites which would have a field day munching on the same proteins and sugars that we (ostensibly) want to eat. However, the disembodied monoculture meat has no animal immune system to defend it and it requires a sterile environment in which to grow. We have to shoulder these burdens instead of the animals doing it themselves.
</p><p>
 We already expose ourselves to too much danger by throwing literally tons of antibiotics at our poultry, pork and beef to keep them minimally alive while they are overfed on corn in disgusting, overcrowded industrial feed lots and bird houses. We know that almost all bacteria interested in attacking us will become immune to these standard antibiotics before the end of our lifetimes because waste the advantage we have with our current antibiotics by overexposing the bacteria to our countermeasures and thereby give the germs the long-term advantage by allowing many, many times more opportunity to develop mutations which defend against the antibiotics.
</p><p>
I disagree with PETA that killing animals for meat is immoral.  We aren&rsquo;t vegetarians, we&rsquo;re omnivores.  If you want to be morally trans-human, then don&rsquo;t waste all your time emphasizing &ldquo;food with a face&rdquo; and making emotional appeals. I do agree that industrial meat production, as it stands, is immoral and completely unsafe.  There are people dying right now because we have cranked the industrial efficiency of our food-production complex way past the red line.  They are being killed by diabetes, MRSA, staph, E. Coli and diseases like mad cow.   All of which are introduced by maximizing short-term efficiency and externalizing the costs of production.
</p><p>
One of the interesting things about life in a balanced system is that the millions of species that compete with each other for resources (energy in its various bio-chemical forms and the rarer kinds of elements that are sometimes required to process it) usually find a meta-stability that guarantees that each individual is cutting-edge efficient at using the resources it can get and that the environment as a whole is conducive to allowing more forms of life to fill in the gaps where inefficiency is exposed.  Humans have put the system almost completely out of whack.  We are using up all of the stored energy on the planet, using up all of the rare elements and we&rsquo;re horrible at making use of renewable energy sources and recycling the rare and costly elements that we haven&rsquo;t yet wasted.  Not only that, but we&rsquo;re steadily making less and less area available for our own and other species use with toxic sludge and waste products destroying more usable land and sea every day.
</p><p>
There is no point to growing meat for consumption in a lab.  Meat for healing is another story, but honestly, we&rsquo;ve got bigger issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Screed warning : To me , this seems like germ heaven .
There 's a reason we have evolved such sophisticated immune systems .
The germs have co-evolved with us and their attacks are , by now , orders of magnitude more sophisticated than they were when multi-cellular organisms first appeared .
One of the challenges of organizing many types of cells is making sure that the good ones are fed and the bad ones are killed or kept out .
One strategy we naturally employ is mutation and randomization .
Sexual reproduction implies that the fittest individuals are the ones which procreate and gives us many more chances to randomize bits of our genetic code which makes it harder for attackers to identify and successfully exploit its host/prey ( an multi-cellular animal ) .
Meat from a lab implies a monoculture of genetic material since this minimizes overhead in building and processing each batch .
Then the meat must also be protected from germs and parasites which would have a field day munching on the same proteins and sugars that we ( ostensibly ) want to eat .
However , the disembodied monoculture meat has no animal immune system to defend it and it requires a sterile environment in which to grow .
We have to shoulder these burdens instead of the animals doing it themselves .
We already expose ourselves to too much danger by throwing literally tons of antibiotics at our poultry , pork and beef to keep them minimally alive while they are overfed on corn in disgusting , overcrowded industrial feed lots and bird houses .
We know that almost all bacteria interested in attacking us will become immune to these standard antibiotics before the end of our lifetimes because waste the advantage we have with our current antibiotics by overexposing the bacteria to our countermeasures and thereby give the germs the long-term advantage by allowing many , many times more opportunity to develop mutations which defend against the antibiotics .
I disagree with PETA that killing animals for meat is immoral .
We aren    t vegetarians , we    re omnivores .
If you want to be morally trans-human , then don    t waste all your time emphasizing    food with a face    and making emotional appeals .
I do agree that industrial meat production , as it stands , is immoral and completely unsafe .
There are people dying right now because we have cranked the industrial efficiency of our food-production complex way past the red line .
They are being killed by diabetes , MRSA , staph , E. Coli and diseases like mad cow .
All of which are introduced by maximizing short-term efficiency and externalizing the costs of production .
One of the interesting things about life in a balanced system is that the millions of species that compete with each other for resources ( energy in its various bio-chemical forms and the rarer kinds of elements that are sometimes required to process it ) usually find a meta-stability that guarantees that each individual is cutting-edge efficient at using the resources it can get and that the environment as a whole is conducive to allowing more forms of life to fill in the gaps where inefficiency is exposed .
Humans have put the system almost completely out of whack .
We are using up all of the stored energy on the planet , using up all of the rare elements and we    re horrible at making use of renewable energy sources and recycling the rare and costly elements that we haven    t yet wasted .
Not only that , but we    re steadily making less and less area available for our own and other species use with toxic sludge and waste products destroying more usable land and sea every day .
There is no point to growing meat for consumption in a lab .
Meat for healing is another story , but honestly , we    ve got bigger issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screed warning:

To me, this seems like germ heaven.
There's a reason we have evolved such sophisticated immune systems.
The germs have co-evolved with us and their attacks are, by now, orders of magnitude more sophisticated than they were when multi-cellular organisms first appeared.
One of the challenges of organizing many types of cells is making sure that the good ones are fed and the bad ones are killed or kept out.
One strategy we naturally employ is mutation and randomization.
Sexual reproduction implies that the fittest individuals are the ones which procreate and gives us many more chances to randomize bits of our genetic code which makes it harder for attackers to identify and successfully exploit its host/prey (an multi-cellular animal).
Meat from a lab implies a monoculture of genetic material since this minimizes overhead in building and processing each batch.
Then the meat must also be protected from germs and parasites which would have a field day munching on the same proteins and sugars that we (ostensibly) want to eat.
However, the disembodied monoculture meat has no animal immune system to defend it and it requires a sterile environment in which to grow.
We have to shoulder these burdens instead of the animals doing it themselves.
We already expose ourselves to too much danger by throwing literally tons of antibiotics at our poultry, pork and beef to keep them minimally alive while they are overfed on corn in disgusting, overcrowded industrial feed lots and bird houses.
We know that almost all bacteria interested in attacking us will become immune to these standard antibiotics before the end of our lifetimes because waste the advantage we have with our current antibiotics by overexposing the bacteria to our countermeasures and thereby give the germs the long-term advantage by allowing many, many times more opportunity to develop mutations which defend against the antibiotics.
I disagree with PETA that killing animals for meat is immoral.
We aren’t vegetarians, we’re omnivores.
If you want to be morally trans-human, then don’t waste all your time emphasizing “food with a face” and making emotional appeals.
I do agree that industrial meat production, as it stands, is immoral and completely unsafe.
There are people dying right now because we have cranked the industrial efficiency of our food-production complex way past the red line.
They are being killed by diabetes, MRSA, staph, E. Coli and diseases like mad cow.
All of which are introduced by maximizing short-term efficiency and externalizing the costs of production.
One of the interesting things about life in a balanced system is that the millions of species that compete with each other for resources (energy in its various bio-chemical forms and the rarer kinds of elements that are sometimes required to process it) usually find a meta-stability that guarantees that each individual is cutting-edge efficient at using the resources it can get and that the environment as a whole is conducive to allowing more forms of life to fill in the gaps where inefficiency is exposed.
Humans have put the system almost completely out of whack.
We are using up all of the stored energy on the planet, using up all of the rare elements and we’re horrible at making use of renewable energy sources and recycling the rare and costly elements that we haven’t yet wasted.
Not only that, but we’re steadily making less and less area available for our own and other species use with toxic sludge and waste products destroying more usable land and sea every day.
There is no point to growing meat for consumption in a lab.
Meat for healing is another story, but honestly, we’ve got bigger issues.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275692</id>
	<title>Ludicrous</title>
	<author>TheModelEskimo</author>
	<datestamp>1259579520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Gibs</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gibs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gibs</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30301068</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>Gaffod</author>
	<datestamp>1259614020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Admittedly at first I thought you were insane, but you make a very good point. Animals accumulate the biomass by using energy that comes from burning glucose (well, a lot of other things actually, but yeah). Vat meat cannot graze, so I think you basically have two options:</p><p>1) Use blood/fetal serum/extract of other animals. This seems rather pointless, ultimately, because why not just eat the donor animals? However if protein from "crap" animals, ones much cheaper than prime pork or beef to grow but much worse tasting, can be used with little effect on the taste, that may be good enough. This is inefficient though, as pointed out by others- the fodder animals waste energy. This method does have the advantage of not hurting traditional ranchers: They can just start growing vat-fodder when vats get popular.</p><p>2) Develop a good medium for the task. Bacteria are often grown on dried and ground algae or yeast- and if "we're" lucky, any problems can be solved easily with transgenic algae. That would be all sorts of awesome since you get a large carbon sink, switch the entire meat industry to very efficient solar power, liberate much agricultural space and possibly make prime meat very cheap all at once. Of course, if algae/meat tanks become economically viable, that might give the already struggling 3rd world economies another nasty kick in the groin- the early vat systems in particular would probably require large investments which these countries are unable to make.</p><p>Anyway, thanks for bringing up the point!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Admittedly at first I thought you were insane , but you make a very good point .
Animals accumulate the biomass by using energy that comes from burning glucose ( well , a lot of other things actually , but yeah ) .
Vat meat can not graze , so I think you basically have two options : 1 ) Use blood/fetal serum/extract of other animals .
This seems rather pointless , ultimately , because why not just eat the donor animals ?
However if protein from " crap " animals , ones much cheaper than prime pork or beef to grow but much worse tasting , can be used with little effect on the taste , that may be good enough .
This is inefficient though , as pointed out by others- the fodder animals waste energy .
This method does have the advantage of not hurting traditional ranchers : They can just start growing vat-fodder when vats get popular.2 ) Develop a good medium for the task .
Bacteria are often grown on dried and ground algae or yeast- and if " we 're " lucky , any problems can be solved easily with transgenic algae .
That would be all sorts of awesome since you get a large carbon sink , switch the entire meat industry to very efficient solar power , liberate much agricultural space and possibly make prime meat very cheap all at once .
Of course , if algae/meat tanks become economically viable , that might give the already struggling 3rd world economies another nasty kick in the groin- the early vat systems in particular would probably require large investments which these countries are unable to make.Anyway , thanks for bringing up the point !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Admittedly at first I thought you were insane, but you make a very good point.
Animals accumulate the biomass by using energy that comes from burning glucose (well, a lot of other things actually, but yeah).
Vat meat cannot graze, so I think you basically have two options:1) Use blood/fetal serum/extract of other animals.
This seems rather pointless, ultimately, because why not just eat the donor animals?
However if protein from "crap" animals, ones much cheaper than prime pork or beef to grow but much worse tasting, can be used with little effect on the taste, that may be good enough.
This is inefficient though, as pointed out by others- the fodder animals waste energy.
This method does have the advantage of not hurting traditional ranchers: They can just start growing vat-fodder when vats get popular.2) Develop a good medium for the task.
Bacteria are often grown on dried and ground algae or yeast- and if "we're" lucky, any problems can be solved easily with transgenic algae.
That would be all sorts of awesome since you get a large carbon sink, switch the entire meat industry to very efficient solar power, liberate much agricultural space and possibly make prime meat very cheap all at once.
Of course, if algae/meat tanks become economically viable, that might give the already struggling 3rd world economies another nasty kick in the groin- the early vat systems in particular would probably require large investments which these countries are unable to make.Anyway, thanks for bringing up the point!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276232</id>
	<title>Um</title>
	<author>chucklebutte</author>
	<datestamp>1259581320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>doesn't mickey D's already have this meat? Hasn't it been around since the opening of mickey D's? lol</htmltext>
<tokenext>does n't mickey D 's already have this meat ?
Has n't it been around since the opening of mickey D 's ?
lol</tokentext>
<sentencetext>doesn't mickey D's already have this meat?
Hasn't it been around since the opening of mickey D's?
lol</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276470</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Abreu</author>
	<datestamp>1259582160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one, welcome our new cloned Kobe Beef for $1.99 per kilogram overlords...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one , welcome our new cloned Kobe Beef for $ 1.99 per kilogram overlords.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one, welcome our new cloned Kobe Beef for $1.99 per kilogram overlords...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277568</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>FlyMysticalDJ</author>
	<datestamp>1259587320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I personally wonder how long it will be before people start cloning the meat of endangered species, giving us the choice of eating anything we darn well please.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I personally wonder how long it will be before people start cloning the meat of endangered species , giving us the choice of eating anything we darn well please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I personally wonder how long it will be before people start cloning the meat of endangered species, giving us the choice of eating anything we darn well please.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275492</id>
	<title>My Hope</title>
	<author>kevinNCSU</author>
	<datestamp>1259578740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>My Hope is that this technology can one day provide us with cheap easily produced bacon-wrapped steak and other meats. My true hope is that some sort of animal will be produced that will grow in some sort of bacon wrapped configuration because I want to gaze upon this delicious animal frolicking mouth-waterlingly in an open field before I eat it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My Hope is that this technology can one day provide us with cheap easily produced bacon-wrapped steak and other meats .
My true hope is that some sort of animal will be produced that will grow in some sort of bacon wrapped configuration because I want to gaze upon this delicious animal frolicking mouth-waterlingly in an open field before I eat it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Hope is that this technology can one day provide us with cheap easily produced bacon-wrapped steak and other meats.
My true hope is that some sort of animal will be produced that will grow in some sort of bacon wrapped configuration because I want to gaze upon this delicious animal frolicking mouth-waterlingly in an open field before I eat it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277898</id>
	<title>Chef, clone thyself.</title>
	<author>larwe</author>
	<datestamp>1259589420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The real question is - how long will it be until you can mail a hair sample into Omaha Steaks and get yourself a box of custom-made meat cloned from your own body? I think that's a product and a half, right there! Celebrities could sell their own line of meats - Ron Jeremy salami, Pamela Anderson breast meat, mmm-mmm good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real question is - how long will it be until you can mail a hair sample into Omaha Steaks and get yourself a box of custom-made meat cloned from your own body ?
I think that 's a product and a half , right there !
Celebrities could sell their own line of meats - Ron Jeremy salami , Pamela Anderson breast meat , mmm-mmm good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real question is - how long will it be until you can mail a hair sample into Omaha Steaks and get yourself a box of custom-made meat cloned from your own body?
I think that's a product and a half, right there!
Celebrities could sell their own line of meats - Ron Jeremy salami, Pamela Anderson breast meat, mmm-mmm good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275422</id>
	<title>so...</title>
	<author>hypergreatthing</author>
	<datestamp>1259578560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>who wants laboratory grown human muscle? You are what you eat right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>who wants laboratory grown human muscle ?
You are what you eat right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>who wants laboratory grown human muscle?
You are what you eat right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276438</id>
	<title>Spherical Cows a reality?</title>
	<author>URL Scruggs</author>
	<datestamp>1259581920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgnuxd0tiHk" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Brasseye</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Brasseye [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Brasseye [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30282164</id>
	<title>Re:From The Article</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1259677320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>[the] Vegetarian Society remained skeptical. "The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered. It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust."</p></div>
</blockquote><p>The label that will identify it will be the price tag. Isn't the whole point so that it can cost a lot less? Who would pay more (or even the same) for inferior synthetic meat?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ the ] Vegetarian Society remained skeptical .
" The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered .
It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust .
" The label that will identify it will be the price tag .
Is n't the whole point so that it can cost a lot less ?
Who would pay more ( or even the same ) for inferior synthetic meat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[the] Vegetarian Society remained skeptical.
"The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered.
It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.
"
The label that will identify it will be the price tag.
Isn't the whole point so that it can cost a lot less?
Who would pay more (or even the same) for inferior synthetic meat?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276822</id>
	<title>No thanks!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259583600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Animal suffering is what makes the meat so flavourfull.   Thats why my favorite dish is bashed baby seal cutlets.   Mhmmmmmm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Animal suffering is what makes the meat so flavourfull .
Thats why my favorite dish is bashed baby seal cutlets .
Mhmmmmmm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Animal suffering is what makes the meat so flavourfull.
Thats why my favorite dish is bashed baby seal cutlets.
Mhmmmmmm</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276678</id>
	<title>Re:Weird thought</title>
	<author>ross axe</author>
	<datestamp>1259583000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now, I'm not saying I'd be first in line to try it, but so long as no-one is forcing you to eat it, what's the problem?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , I 'm not saying I 'd be first in line to try it , but so long as no-one is forcing you to eat it , what 's the problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, I'm not saying I'd be first in line to try it, but so long as no-one is forcing you to eat it, what's the problem?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276118</id>
	<title>Re:So... is it KOSHER?</title>
	<author>knarf</author>
	<datestamp>1259580900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forget kosher, the important question is 'is it slezghnash?'</p><p>What, never heard of slezghnash? It is slezghnash if the name, spelled backwards and converted to numerals is not a multiple of 7. To learn whether something is slezghnash you'd best go to your bwahohooie, he can tell you all about this important rule.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget kosher , the important question is 'is it slezghnash ?
'What , never heard of slezghnash ?
It is slezghnash if the name , spelled backwards and converted to numerals is not a multiple of 7 .
To learn whether something is slezghnash you 'd best go to your bwahohooie , he can tell you all about this important rule .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget kosher, the important question is 'is it slezghnash?
'What, never heard of slezghnash?
It is slezghnash if the name, spelled backwards and converted to numerals is not a multiple of 7.
To learn whether something is slezghnash you'd best go to your bwahohooie, he can tell you all about this important rule.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277962</id>
	<title>SPAM - organic vs. non-organic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259589840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yet an other version of Spam.  When does the copyright for "organic" spam expire?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet an other version of Spam .
When does the copyright for " organic " spam expire ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet an other version of Spam.
When does the copyright for "organic" spam expire?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276198</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>maglor\_83</author>
	<datestamp>1259581200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it ok if we make artificial human meat and eat that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it ok if we make artificial human meat and eat that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it ok if we make artificial human meat and eat that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277040</id>
	<title>No one cares how many cows are alive</title>
	<author>cfalcon</author>
	<datestamp>1259584560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PETA and pretty much ANY organization that is all about helping animals isn't in favor of helping them because they want *as many cows alive at any given time*, or any such nonsense.  They are in favor of *less animal suffering*.  This means that if you have X cows alive and you butcher Y every year, and Z new cows are born, and Y+Z=X, that when you reduce the demand for cows, you are reducing Z, the new cows born each year, because you are reducing Y, the cows butchered every year.  Sure, X will go down, but maximizing cows alive at any moment isn't how they measure their progress towards their goal-  in fact, they will probably let you know, in detail, how many of those X cows are born to suffer.</p><p>Basically, to see how they view it, just replace cows with people, and pretend that we had some group of people that we raised and ate.  Obviously it would be a moral good to eliminate that, but if you couldn't eliminate it because the laws and the customs dictated that the to-be-eaten caste was born to that and not really human, you'd settle for limiting it as much as possible.</p><p>Their goal is to limit animal suffering.  Stop modding up everyone who thinks that reducing the number of suffering animals is somehow contrary to that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PETA and pretty much ANY organization that is all about helping animals is n't in favor of helping them because they want * as many cows alive at any given time * , or any such nonsense .
They are in favor of * less animal suffering * .
This means that if you have X cows alive and you butcher Y every year , and Z new cows are born , and Y + Z = X , that when you reduce the demand for cows , you are reducing Z , the new cows born each year , because you are reducing Y , the cows butchered every year .
Sure , X will go down , but maximizing cows alive at any moment is n't how they measure their progress towards their goal- in fact , they will probably let you know , in detail , how many of those X cows are born to suffer.Basically , to see how they view it , just replace cows with people , and pretend that we had some group of people that we raised and ate .
Obviously it would be a moral good to eliminate that , but if you could n't eliminate it because the laws and the customs dictated that the to-be-eaten caste was born to that and not really human , you 'd settle for limiting it as much as possible.Their goal is to limit animal suffering .
Stop modding up everyone who thinks that reducing the number of suffering animals is somehow contrary to that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PETA and pretty much ANY organization that is all about helping animals isn't in favor of helping them because they want *as many cows alive at any given time*, or any such nonsense.
They are in favor of *less animal suffering*.
This means that if you have X cows alive and you butcher Y every year, and Z new cows are born, and Y+Z=X, that when you reduce the demand for cows, you are reducing Z, the new cows born each year, because you are reducing Y, the cows butchered every year.
Sure, X will go down, but maximizing cows alive at any moment isn't how they measure their progress towards their goal-  in fact, they will probably let you know, in detail, how many of those X cows are born to suffer.Basically, to see how they view it, just replace cows with people, and pretend that we had some group of people that we raised and ate.
Obviously it would be a moral good to eliminate that, but if you couldn't eliminate it because the laws and the customs dictated that the to-be-eaten caste was born to that and not really human, you'd settle for limiting it as much as possible.Their goal is to limit animal suffering.
Stop modding up everyone who thinks that reducing the number of suffering animals is somehow contrary to that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278004</id>
	<title>How is this new and where is the real paper?</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1259590260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it so hard to give enough information to find the actual publication that has the important details?  I'm taking it as a given that the Telegraph can't be bothered to explain -how- this is different from earlier muscle cell cultures, but at least they could give me enough info to find articles that will tell me that.  I mean, did these researchers actually publish a real paper in a peer-reviewed journal or did they just bypass that and go straight to the telegraph?</p><p>What's new about this?</p><p>Muscle cells have apperantly been cultured since <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/5691978?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_RVDocSum&amp;ordinalpos=984&amp;log$=free" title="nih.gov">1968</a> [nih.gov], although there isn't much about whether or not these cells proliferate in culture.  A <a href="http://jcb.rupress.org/cgi/content/abstract/106/6/2139" title="rupress.org">paper from 1988</a> [rupress.org] claims to have gotten progenitor cells to turn into muscle cells in culture.</p><p><a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=test-tube-pork" title="scientificamerican.com">This article</a> [scientificamerican.com], still not a paper, from scientific american suggests that at least one Dutch researcher is interested in turning embryonic stem cells into meat.  Those cultures don't last very long either according to the article: "Unfortunately, Roelen's cultures only survive a few months before they sputter, failing to reproduce because of genetic problems&mdash;their chromosomes become deformed or cells end up with too many copies. His group also works with adult stem cells extracted from skeletal muscle&mdash;a direct approach for in vitro meat."</p><p>I guess <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18821573?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed\_ResultsPanel.Pubmed\_RVDocSum&amp;ordinalpos=3" title="nih.gov">this</a> [nih.gov] might be the article in question, Roelen reports isolating a progenitor cell type that can be directed to either increase their numbers or turn into muscle cells.  That&rsquo;s almost a year old though.  <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?\_ob=ArticleURL&amp;\_udi=B6WFC-4XHCJ2X-1&amp;\_user=4421&amp;\_rdoc=1&amp;\_fmt=&amp;\_orig=search&amp;\_sort=d&amp;\_docanchor=&amp;view=c&amp;\_acct=C000059598&amp;\_version=1&amp;\_urlVersion=0&amp;\_userid=4421&amp;md5=30ab602dfa553d7d766d7116cd646c52" title="sciencedirect.com"> This article</a> [sciencedirect.com] is more likely the one that sparked the telegraph article, the lab discusses factors that affect that culture system.</p><p>Post, quoted in the telegraph article, <a href="http://www.mate.tue.nl/mate/showemp.php/1618" title="mate.tue.nl">doesn't appear to be too directly involved</a> [mate.tue.nl], his research interests seem more about blood vessels and I couldn&rsquo;t find any papers from his lab that looked relevant, but I didn&rsquo;t do an exhaustive search on pubmed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it so hard to give enough information to find the actual publication that has the important details ?
I 'm taking it as a given that the Telegraph ca n't be bothered to explain -how- this is different from earlier muscle cell cultures , but at least they could give me enough info to find articles that will tell me that .
I mean , did these researchers actually publish a real paper in a peer-reviewed journal or did they just bypass that and go straight to the telegraph ? What 's new about this ? Muscle cells have apperantly been cultured since 1968 [ nih.gov ] , although there is n't much about whether or not these cells proliferate in culture .
A paper from 1988 [ rupress.org ] claims to have gotten progenitor cells to turn into muscle cells in culture.This article [ scientificamerican.com ] , still not a paper , from scientific american suggests that at least one Dutch researcher is interested in turning embryonic stem cells into meat .
Those cultures do n't last very long either according to the article : " Unfortunately , Roelen 's cultures only survive a few months before they sputter , failing to reproduce because of genetic problems    their chromosomes become deformed or cells end up with too many copies .
His group also works with adult stem cells extracted from skeletal muscle    a direct approach for in vitro meat .
" I guess this [ nih.gov ] might be the article in question , Roelen reports isolating a progenitor cell type that can be directed to either increase their numbers or turn into muscle cells .
That    s almost a year old though .
This article [ sciencedirect.com ] is more likely the one that sparked the telegraph article , the lab discusses factors that affect that culture system.Post , quoted in the telegraph article , does n't appear to be too directly involved [ mate.tue.nl ] , his research interests seem more about blood vessels and I couldn    t find any papers from his lab that looked relevant , but I didn    t do an exhaustive search on pubmed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it so hard to give enough information to find the actual publication that has the important details?
I'm taking it as a given that the Telegraph can't be bothered to explain -how- this is different from earlier muscle cell cultures, but at least they could give me enough info to find articles that will tell me that.
I mean, did these researchers actually publish a real paper in a peer-reviewed journal or did they just bypass that and go straight to the telegraph?What's new about this?Muscle cells have apperantly been cultured since 1968 [nih.gov], although there isn't much about whether or not these cells proliferate in culture.
A paper from 1988 [rupress.org] claims to have gotten progenitor cells to turn into muscle cells in culture.This article [scientificamerican.com], still not a paper, from scientific american suggests that at least one Dutch researcher is interested in turning embryonic stem cells into meat.
Those cultures don't last very long either according to the article: "Unfortunately, Roelen's cultures only survive a few months before they sputter, failing to reproduce because of genetic problems—their chromosomes become deformed or cells end up with too many copies.
His group also works with adult stem cells extracted from skeletal muscle—a direct approach for in vitro meat.
"I guess this [nih.gov] might be the article in question, Roelen reports isolating a progenitor cell type that can be directed to either increase their numbers or turn into muscle cells.
That’s almost a year old though.
This article [sciencedirect.com] is more likely the one that sparked the telegraph article, the lab discusses factors that affect that culture system.Post, quoted in the telegraph article, doesn't appear to be too directly involved [mate.tue.nl], his research interests seem more about blood vessels and I couldn’t find any papers from his lab that looked relevant, but I didn’t do an exhaustive search on pubmed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277122</id>
	<title>I for one, BBQ our new vat grown overlords....</title>
	<author>TiggertheMad</author>
	<datestamp>1259584920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait it gets better...
<br> <br>
At some point, someone will realize that there will be a high end vat meat market, and decide to clone panda butt for panda burgers... we will see squirrel steak (because animal size will become irrelevant), tiger paw on a stick, and dolphin mc nuggets. If it's odd, rare, and on an endangered species list you will be able get cloned versions of the meat. The problem will be that the few remaining animals out there will need to be caught and sampled in order to make it happen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait it gets better.. . At some point , someone will realize that there will be a high end vat meat market , and decide to clone panda butt for panda burgers... we will see squirrel steak ( because animal size will become irrelevant ) , tiger paw on a stick , and dolphin mc nuggets .
If it 's odd , rare , and on an endangered species list you will be able get cloned versions of the meat .
The problem will be that the few remaining animals out there will need to be caught and sampled in order to make it happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait it gets better...
 
At some point, someone will realize that there will be a high end vat meat market, and decide to clone panda butt for panda burgers... we will see squirrel steak (because animal size will become irrelevant), tiger paw on a stick, and dolphin mc nuggets.
If it's odd, rare, and on an endangered species list you will be able get cloned versions of the meat.
The problem will be that the few remaining animals out there will need to be caught and sampled in order to make it happen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276922</id>
	<title>Re:How do you suppose they are going to trick</title>
	<author>TerranFury</author>
	<datestamp>1259584020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hear that one of the artificial sweeteners was developed this way.  A professor directed a grad student whose English was very poor to "test" a particular chemical (for something); the grad student misheard it as "taste" and came back with the reply, "It's sweet."  When the professor finally understood what had happened, he was shocked and horrified, fully expecting that his student had just ingested a carcinogen or worse.  Luckily for the grad student and for the professor's conscience, that wasn't what had just happened; instead they'd discovered a new sweetener.</p><p>*googles a bit*</p><p>Ah hah!  This story is apparently true!  This is the story of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucralose" title="wikipedia.org">sucralose</a> [wikipedia.org]'s discovery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hear that one of the artificial sweeteners was developed this way .
A professor directed a grad student whose English was very poor to " test " a particular chemical ( for something ) ; the grad student misheard it as " taste " and came back with the reply , " It 's sweet .
" When the professor finally understood what had happened , he was shocked and horrified , fully expecting that his student had just ingested a carcinogen or worse .
Luckily for the grad student and for the professor 's conscience , that was n't what had just happened ; instead they 'd discovered a new sweetener .
* googles a bit * Ah hah !
This story is apparently true !
This is the story of sucralose [ wikipedia.org ] 's discovery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hear that one of the artificial sweeteners was developed this way.
A professor directed a grad student whose English was very poor to "test" a particular chemical (for something); the grad student misheard it as "taste" and came back with the reply, "It's sweet.
"  When the professor finally understood what had happened, he was shocked and horrified, fully expecting that his student had just ingested a carcinogen or worse.
Luckily for the grad student and for the professor's conscience, that wasn't what had just happened; instead they'd discovered a new sweetener.
*googles a bit*Ah hah!
This story is apparently true!
This is the story of sucralose [wikipedia.org]'s discovery.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277908</id>
	<title>Re:Un-exercised meat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259589480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is an absolute travesty that such people are named after Epicurus!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is an absolute travesty that such people are named after Epicurus !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is an absolute travesty that such people are named after Epicurus!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30285220</id>
	<title>This is a really good idea, but...</title>
	<author>VIPERsssss</author>
	<datestamp>1259691780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm personally going to disagree with it on the basis that PETA can go fuck themselves.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm personally going to disagree with it on the basis that PETA can go fuck themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm personally going to disagree with it on the basis that PETA can go fuck themselves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275456</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1259578680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They do have a point though.  It's quite possible that we could end up with an industry that is capable of producing flawless cuts of synthetic meat that cost much more than slaughtering the real thing.  Fraud could become a real problem if the technology gets good enough but stays expensive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do have a point though .
It 's quite possible that we could end up with an industry that is capable of producing flawless cuts of synthetic meat that cost much more than slaughtering the real thing .
Fraud could become a real problem if the technology gets good enough but stays expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They do have a point though.
It's quite possible that we could end up with an industry that is capable of producing flawless cuts of synthetic meat that cost much more than slaughtering the real thing.
Fraud could become a real problem if the technology gets good enough but stays expensive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276004</id>
	<title>From The Article</title>
	<author>joocemann</author>
	<datestamp>1259580540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"[the] Vegetarian Society remained skeptical. "The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered. It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust."""</p><p>Oh please.  What you do, then, is get off your lazy skeptic butt and go to the place they are making the meat and look around.  Get official people you trust as a vegetarian (whatever that means) to go investigate and report.  From that report, which you trust, you should be able to know if it is coming from killed animals or from tissue generation.</p><p>This skepticism is undue and irrational.  They assume that because it is possible for an animal-slaughtering meat company to 'trick' customers by pretending it was grown in tissue culture, that it may necessarily be true.... That's garbage.  In reality, a company carrying out deception of this magnitude would not go unnoticed and would probably be sued.</p><p>You have to think: thousands of people work in meat processing plants.  Every single one of them would have to be the best secret keeper on the planet for the suggested 'truth' to not be found out.   And if there is anything we can know about secrets is that the more people that know it, the less likely it stays secret.</p><p>As a matter of fact, even when only one person (the secret creator) knows a secret, it isn't safe.  People are eager to share secrets.  And once the number becomes 2 or more, the odds of it remaining secret reduce dramatically.</p><p>And now I return fire with an equally ridiculous claim:  The Vegetarian Society is only trying to question this so they can get me to quit eating meat, thus eat more veggies, and end up dying from rhubarb poison on accident (but on purpose because they meant to do it)!</p><p>Damn vegetarian society could probably be trying to kill us all!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" [ the ] Vegetarian Society remained skeptical .
" The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered .
It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust .
" " " Oh please .
What you do , then , is get off your lazy skeptic butt and go to the place they are making the meat and look around .
Get official people you trust as a vegetarian ( whatever that means ) to go investigate and report .
From that report , which you trust , you should be able to know if it is coming from killed animals or from tissue generation.This skepticism is undue and irrational .
They assume that because it is possible for an animal-slaughtering meat company to 'trick ' customers by pretending it was grown in tissue culture , that it may necessarily be true.... That 's garbage .
In reality , a company carrying out deception of this magnitude would not go unnoticed and would probably be sued.You have to think : thousands of people work in meat processing plants .
Every single one of them would have to be the best secret keeper on the planet for the suggested 'truth ' to not be found out .
And if there is anything we can know about secrets is that the more people that know it , the less likely it stays secret.As a matter of fact , even when only one person ( the secret creator ) knows a secret , it is n't safe .
People are eager to share secrets .
And once the number becomes 2 or more , the odds of it remaining secret reduce dramatically.And now I return fire with an equally ridiculous claim : The Vegetarian Society is only trying to question this so they can get me to quit eating meat , thus eat more veggies , and end up dying from rhubarb poison on accident ( but on purpose because they meant to do it ) ! Damn vegetarian society could probably be trying to kill us all !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"[the] Vegetarian Society remained skeptical.
"The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered.
It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.
"""Oh please.
What you do, then, is get off your lazy skeptic butt and go to the place they are making the meat and look around.
Get official people you trust as a vegetarian (whatever that means) to go investigate and report.
From that report, which you trust, you should be able to know if it is coming from killed animals or from tissue generation.This skepticism is undue and irrational.
They assume that because it is possible for an animal-slaughtering meat company to 'trick' customers by pretending it was grown in tissue culture, that it may necessarily be true.... That's garbage.
In reality, a company carrying out deception of this magnitude would not go unnoticed and would probably be sued.You have to think: thousands of people work in meat processing plants.
Every single one of them would have to be the best secret keeper on the planet for the suggested 'truth' to not be found out.
And if there is anything we can know about secrets is that the more people that know it, the less likely it stays secret.As a matter of fact, even when only one person (the secret creator) knows a secret, it isn't safe.
People are eager to share secrets.
And once the number becomes 2 or more, the odds of it remaining secret reduce dramatically.And now I return fire with an equally ridiculous claim:  The Vegetarian Society is only trying to question this so they can get me to quit eating meat, thus eat more veggies, and end up dying from rhubarb poison on accident (but on purpose because they meant to do it)!Damn vegetarian society could probably be trying to kill us all!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277654</id>
	<title>Re:Weird thought</title>
	<author>RedBear</author>
	<datestamp>1259587800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm glad I'm not the only one who realized this particular implication of this technology.</p><p>You will probably never see that happening (in any country with established religion), although you are far too conservative in your estimation of the market size, which would be huge even if we're just talking about the novelty foods market. The God-ites (doesn't matter what kind) will all be dead set against this sort of "unnatural" food source ever coming into general use, whether human-based or animal-based.</p><p>Growing and eating human-originated muscle tissue, while theoretically absent of the immorality of killing a human being, is still cannibalism whether the flesh was ever attached to a living person or not. If you thought the God-ites were extreme when it comes to dealing with abortion clinics, you probably haven't seen anything yet. They'll latch onto the cannibalism aspect and completely ignore the fact that no human life is being lost.</p><p>Even though they are slightly weakened in the current political climate, the God-ites are still extremely strong politically in this country and most others. Thus, you will probably soon see the same bans on human tissue cloning that there are on human cloning in general. The only exception might be creating replacement muscles for medical purposes (under tightly controlled conditions, of course).</p><p>Even outside the God-ite communities there is an extremely strong natural stigma that goes along with even the merest suggestion of cannibalism, so popular society would never look kindly on it either.</p><p>Which is all kind of sad, in a way, if (and only if) it is true that human proteins really are the most readily absorbable and nutritious proteins that a human could be eating. Would the Soylent Green idea have had such an impact on the psyche if it were revealed that, while the product really was made of human meat proteins, it was made of artificial human meat and the dead were merely incinerated to save space? The horror was not that everyone was being fed a particular kind of protein, it was that they were literally being fed their own dead because there was nothing suitably nutritious left on the planet to feed that many people.</p><p>It is possible to envision a future, sometime far away, where human-based proteins are an accepted and efficient food source for humans. Hell, people could all someday be eating artificial meat created from a few of their own cells using a cell replicator machine in the pantry. What could be wrong with that? You've probably ingested several billion sloughed-off cells from your tongue and the inside of your mouth in the time you've been alive, all without even trying. Ever accidentally take a bite out of your cheek and swallow it? OMG, you cannibal!</p><p>Anyway, I'm sure a dozen or more sci-fi visionaries have been writing about these exact possibilities for the last century or more. There is nothing new under the sun...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad I 'm not the only one who realized this particular implication of this technology.You will probably never see that happening ( in any country with established religion ) , although you are far too conservative in your estimation of the market size , which would be huge even if we 're just talking about the novelty foods market .
The God-ites ( does n't matter what kind ) will all be dead set against this sort of " unnatural " food source ever coming into general use , whether human-based or animal-based.Growing and eating human-originated muscle tissue , while theoretically absent of the immorality of killing a human being , is still cannibalism whether the flesh was ever attached to a living person or not .
If you thought the God-ites were extreme when it comes to dealing with abortion clinics , you probably have n't seen anything yet .
They 'll latch onto the cannibalism aspect and completely ignore the fact that no human life is being lost.Even though they are slightly weakened in the current political climate , the God-ites are still extremely strong politically in this country and most others .
Thus , you will probably soon see the same bans on human tissue cloning that there are on human cloning in general .
The only exception might be creating replacement muscles for medical purposes ( under tightly controlled conditions , of course ) .Even outside the God-ite communities there is an extremely strong natural stigma that goes along with even the merest suggestion of cannibalism , so popular society would never look kindly on it either.Which is all kind of sad , in a way , if ( and only if ) it is true that human proteins really are the most readily absorbable and nutritious proteins that a human could be eating .
Would the Soylent Green idea have had such an impact on the psyche if it were revealed that , while the product really was made of human meat proteins , it was made of artificial human meat and the dead were merely incinerated to save space ?
The horror was not that everyone was being fed a particular kind of protein , it was that they were literally being fed their own dead because there was nothing suitably nutritious left on the planet to feed that many people.It is possible to envision a future , sometime far away , where human-based proteins are an accepted and efficient food source for humans .
Hell , people could all someday be eating artificial meat created from a few of their own cells using a cell replicator machine in the pantry .
What could be wrong with that ?
You 've probably ingested several billion sloughed-off cells from your tongue and the inside of your mouth in the time you 've been alive , all without even trying .
Ever accidentally take a bite out of your cheek and swallow it ?
OMG , you cannibal ! Anyway , I 'm sure a dozen or more sci-fi visionaries have been writing about these exact possibilities for the last century or more .
There is nothing new under the sun.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad I'm not the only one who realized this particular implication of this technology.You will probably never see that happening (in any country with established religion), although you are far too conservative in your estimation of the market size, which would be huge even if we're just talking about the novelty foods market.
The God-ites (doesn't matter what kind) will all be dead set against this sort of "unnatural" food source ever coming into general use, whether human-based or animal-based.Growing and eating human-originated muscle tissue, while theoretically absent of the immorality of killing a human being, is still cannibalism whether the flesh was ever attached to a living person or not.
If you thought the God-ites were extreme when it comes to dealing with abortion clinics, you probably haven't seen anything yet.
They'll latch onto the cannibalism aspect and completely ignore the fact that no human life is being lost.Even though they are slightly weakened in the current political climate, the God-ites are still extremely strong politically in this country and most others.
Thus, you will probably soon see the same bans on human tissue cloning that there are on human cloning in general.
The only exception might be creating replacement muscles for medical purposes (under tightly controlled conditions, of course).Even outside the God-ite communities there is an extremely strong natural stigma that goes along with even the merest suggestion of cannibalism, so popular society would never look kindly on it either.Which is all kind of sad, in a way, if (and only if) it is true that human proteins really are the most readily absorbable and nutritious proteins that a human could be eating.
Would the Soylent Green idea have had such an impact on the psyche if it were revealed that, while the product really was made of human meat proteins, it was made of artificial human meat and the dead were merely incinerated to save space?
The horror was not that everyone was being fed a particular kind of protein, it was that they were literally being fed their own dead because there was nothing suitably nutritious left on the planet to feed that many people.It is possible to envision a future, sometime far away, where human-based proteins are an accepted and efficient food source for humans.
Hell, people could all someday be eating artificial meat created from a few of their own cells using a cell replicator machine in the pantry.
What could be wrong with that?
You've probably ingested several billion sloughed-off cells from your tongue and the inside of your mouth in the time you've been alive, all without even trying.
Ever accidentally take a bite out of your cheek and swallow it?
OMG, you cannibal!Anyway, I'm sure a dozen or more sci-fi visionaries have been writing about these exact possibilities for the last century or more.
There is nothing new under the sun...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275640</id>
	<title>Exercizing Meat</title>
	<author>locallyunscene</author>
	<datestamp>1259579340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could it be contracted and expanded with electric shocks?
<br> <br>
It's amazing that a vat full of electrified meat is more appetizing than current factory farms...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could it be contracted and expanded with electric shocks ?
It 's amazing that a vat full of electrified meat is more appetizing than current factory farms.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could it be contracted and expanded with electric shocks?
It's amazing that a vat full of electrified meat is more appetizing than current factory farms...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30282708</id>
	<title>they called human meat "long pig"</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1259680500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>in the south pacific when cannibalism was still going on, not too long ago (and is perhaps still going on in the hinterlands of papua new guinea)</p><p>because we taste like pig</p><p>if you want to know what human flesh tastes like, have some bacon: its no historical secret that pig meat is pretty much the same flavor as human meat</p><p>perhaps most interesting is that we like the taste of bacon so much... i wonder why that is so, hmm? we're all covertly cannibalistic in our tastes, i think. i would wager that every human being alive today comes from some ancestor who ate human flesh at one time or another, whether for bare survival, or for ritualistic cultural reasons</p><p>what would be interesting is to make bacon out of these vat grown human cells. might just be the best bacon taste EVER</p><p>lol</p><p>you may now barf from painful self-realization of your own vile nature</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>in the south pacific when cannibalism was still going on , not too long ago ( and is perhaps still going on in the hinterlands of papua new guinea ) because we taste like pigif you want to know what human flesh tastes like , have some bacon : its no historical secret that pig meat is pretty much the same flavor as human meatperhaps most interesting is that we like the taste of bacon so much... i wonder why that is so , hmm ?
we 're all covertly cannibalistic in our tastes , i think .
i would wager that every human being alive today comes from some ancestor who ate human flesh at one time or another , whether for bare survival , or for ritualistic cultural reasonswhat would be interesting is to make bacon out of these vat grown human cells .
might just be the best bacon taste EVERlolyou may now barf from painful self-realization of your own vile nature</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in the south pacific when cannibalism was still going on, not too long ago (and is perhaps still going on in the hinterlands of papua new guinea)because we taste like pigif you want to know what human flesh tastes like, have some bacon: its no historical secret that pig meat is pretty much the same flavor as human meatperhaps most interesting is that we like the taste of bacon so much... i wonder why that is so, hmm?
we're all covertly cannibalistic in our tastes, i think.
i would wager that every human being alive today comes from some ancestor who ate human flesh at one time or another, whether for bare survival, or for ritualistic cultural reasonswhat would be interesting is to make bacon out of these vat grown human cells.
might just be the best bacon taste EVERlolyou may now barf from painful self-realization of your own vile nature</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277156</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259585100000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The appeal to geeks here is that man gets more involved in the process.  The appeal to business is that they can make money from patents on lab-grown "food", as they did with vanilla.</p><p>Look at the bigger picture here.  What is the source of energy, especially once you start "exercising" the meat?  Is it really more efficient, appealing or ecologically sound than allowing meat to grow on farms, or in the wild?</p><p>Depending on large business, especially global business, to provide food is not wise.  Local economies need to be self-reliant, lest they be subject to global powers.  Don't take my food independence away.</p><p>If this becomes the only type of meat available I will turn vegetarian.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The appeal to geeks here is that man gets more involved in the process .
The appeal to business is that they can make money from patents on lab-grown " food " , as they did with vanilla.Look at the bigger picture here .
What is the source of energy , especially once you start " exercising " the meat ?
Is it really more efficient , appealing or ecologically sound than allowing meat to grow on farms , or in the wild ? Depending on large business , especially global business , to provide food is not wise .
Local economies need to be self-reliant , lest they be subject to global powers .
Do n't take my food independence away.If this becomes the only type of meat available I will turn vegetarian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The appeal to geeks here is that man gets more involved in the process.
The appeal to business is that they can make money from patents on lab-grown "food", as they did with vanilla.Look at the bigger picture here.
What is the source of energy, especially once you start "exercising" the meat?
Is it really more efficient, appealing or ecologically sound than allowing meat to grow on farms, or in the wild?Depending on large business, especially global business, to provide food is not wise.
Local economies need to be self-reliant, lest they be subject to global powers.
Don't take my food independence away.If this becomes the only type of meat available I will turn vegetarian.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30281270</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>kamapuaa</author>
	<datestamp>1259667240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except the vast majority of US cows aren't pasture-raised.  They're raised in pens and they're fed corn.</p><p>Your point would have been valid maybe 70 years ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except the vast majority of US cows are n't pasture-raised .
They 're raised in pens and they 're fed corn.Your point would have been valid maybe 70 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except the vast majority of US cows aren't pasture-raised.
They're raised in pens and they're fed corn.Your point would have been valid maybe 70 years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275306</id>
	<title>Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1259578200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For once, they make a rational and decent statement!  This is a big improvement over their stupid tirade about Obama swatting a housefly.</p><p>The Vegetarian Society, OTOH, with their statement shows themselves to be still a bunch of extremists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For once , they make a rational and decent statement !
This is a big improvement over their stupid tirade about Obama swatting a housefly.The Vegetarian Society , OTOH , with their statement shows themselves to be still a bunch of extremists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For once, they make a rational and decent statement!
This is a big improvement over their stupid tirade about Obama swatting a housefly.The Vegetarian Society, OTOH, with their statement shows themselves to be still a bunch of extremists.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277678</id>
	<title>Made this statement a while back</title>
	<author>Krishnoid</author>
	<datestamp>1259588100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They were even willing to put their <a href="http://blog.peta.org/archives/2008/04/lab\_meat\_tastes.php" title="peta.org">money</a> [peta.org] where their mouth is.  I recall they had some internal conflict over this and finally decided on a pro-artificial meat position; unfortunately I can't find the reference just now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They were even willing to put their money [ peta.org ] where their mouth is .
I recall they had some internal conflict over this and finally decided on a pro-artificial meat position ; unfortunately I ca n't find the reference just now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They were even willing to put their money [peta.org] where their mouth is.
I recall they had some internal conflict over this and finally decided on a pro-artificial meat position; unfortunately I can't find the reference just now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30295840</id>
	<title>Other Applications</title>
	<author>RivenAleem</author>
	<datestamp>1259585940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"You could take the meat from one animal and create the volume of meat previously provided by a million animals."</p><p>Has nobody else seen the other possibilities of such an application? I could quite literally be "hung like a horse".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You could take the meat from one animal and create the volume of meat previously provided by a million animals .
" Has nobody else seen the other possibilities of such an application ?
I could quite literally be " hung like a horse " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You could take the meat from one animal and create the volume of meat previously provided by a million animals.
"Has nobody else seen the other possibilities of such an application?
I could quite literally be "hung like a horse".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277234</id>
	<title>As a vegetarian...</title>
	<author>QJimbo</author>
	<datestamp>1259585520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not quite sure how to feel about this.</p><p>Even if it didn't harm any living animals, eating meat would still feel plain <i>weird</i>.</p><p>Quite a lot of comments against veggies here and how we have nothing to complain about but it's still an odd situation I think.</p><p>The closest way I can think of describing it, is say that every time you ate an apple, someone kicked your best friend in the face. Scientists invent an apple that doesn't kick your best friend in the face. There's still that negative association there that makes you feel bad about ever wanting pleasure from an apple, even the non-face-kicking variety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not quite sure how to feel about this.Even if it did n't harm any living animals , eating meat would still feel plain weird.Quite a lot of comments against veggies here and how we have nothing to complain about but it 's still an odd situation I think.The closest way I can think of describing it , is say that every time you ate an apple , someone kicked your best friend in the face .
Scientists invent an apple that does n't kick your best friend in the face .
There 's still that negative association there that makes you feel bad about ever wanting pleasure from an apple , even the non-face-kicking variety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not quite sure how to feel about this.Even if it didn't harm any living animals, eating meat would still feel plain weird.Quite a lot of comments against veggies here and how we have nothing to complain about but it's still an odd situation I think.The closest way I can think of describing it, is say that every time you ate an apple, someone kicked your best friend in the face.
Scientists invent an apple that doesn't kick your best friend in the face.
There's still that negative association there that makes you feel bad about ever wanting pleasure from an apple, even the non-face-kicking variety.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277994</id>
	<title>Re:Weird thought</title>
	<author>hldn</author>
	<datestamp>1259590140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the first thing i thought of after reading the summary was growing human meat.  sign me up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the first thing i thought of after reading the summary was growing human meat .
sign me up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the first thing i thought of after reading the summary was growing human meat.
sign me up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276798</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259583480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This Artifical Meat is going to backfire on PETA. If, in 5-10 years, this Artificial Meat market becomes big enough to surpass traditional meat harvesting techniques, what does PETA think will happen to all that cattle and other like animals? What are we just going to give them up and let them live free? No, we'll slaughter the livestock we have as we transition to the new method. Then, we expand over the previous land we used to graze and keep the animals; replacing (more or less) open land with whatever vats, structures, and buildings we need to develope SyntheSteak. Domesticated populations will plummet and wild populations will be no better off, the net result will be fewer animals in the world (but more meat!)</p><p>Don't read too much into this yammering post; I'm all for this idea.</p><p>I simply wonder why PETA still thinks being stuck in the farm is worse than what we've (historically) done to animals that don't serve as useful a purpose. If the cow or pig isn't being used, I would expect us to (intentionally or not) create conditions in their environment which pushes them out and dwindles their population, not unlike we've done to wolves or such.</p></div><p>I'm no PETA fan by any means, but your argument is nonsensical and not very well thought out.</p><p>If we're killing less animals, we're killing less animals. We're only carefully breeding these animals for slaughter, they're not accustomed to wild life, nor would most of them survive to live a full life, their joints would give out, their bodies would not support the weight and heft.</p><p>Artisan breeders would still exist. Even if everyone transitioned, the only death would be factory farming, and you'd be a complete imbecile to moan its loss</p></div>
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<tokenext>This Artifical Meat is going to backfire on PETA .
If , in 5-10 years , this Artificial Meat market becomes big enough to surpass traditional meat harvesting techniques , what does PETA think will happen to all that cattle and other like animals ?
What are we just going to give them up and let them live free ?
No , we 'll slaughter the livestock we have as we transition to the new method .
Then , we expand over the previous land we used to graze and keep the animals ; replacing ( more or less ) open land with whatever vats , structures , and buildings we need to develope SyntheSteak .
Domesticated populations will plummet and wild populations will be no better off , the net result will be fewer animals in the world ( but more meat !
) Do n't read too much into this yammering post ; I 'm all for this idea.I simply wonder why PETA still thinks being stuck in the farm is worse than what we 've ( historically ) done to animals that do n't serve as useful a purpose .
If the cow or pig is n't being used , I would expect us to ( intentionally or not ) create conditions in their environment which pushes them out and dwindles their population , not unlike we 've done to wolves or such.I 'm no PETA fan by any means , but your argument is nonsensical and not very well thought out.If we 're killing less animals , we 're killing less animals .
We 're only carefully breeding these animals for slaughter , they 're not accustomed to wild life , nor would most of them survive to live a full life , their joints would give out , their bodies would not support the weight and heft.Artisan breeders would still exist .
Even if everyone transitioned , the only death would be factory farming , and you 'd be a complete imbecile to moan its loss</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This Artifical Meat is going to backfire on PETA.
If, in 5-10 years, this Artificial Meat market becomes big enough to surpass traditional meat harvesting techniques, what does PETA think will happen to all that cattle and other like animals?
What are we just going to give them up and let them live free?
No, we'll slaughter the livestock we have as we transition to the new method.
Then, we expand over the previous land we used to graze and keep the animals; replacing (more or less) open land with whatever vats, structures, and buildings we need to develope SyntheSteak.
Domesticated populations will plummet and wild populations will be no better off, the net result will be fewer animals in the world (but more meat!
)Don't read too much into this yammering post; I'm all for this idea.I simply wonder why PETA still thinks being stuck in the farm is worse than what we've (historically) done to animals that don't serve as useful a purpose.
If the cow or pig isn't being used, I would expect us to (intentionally or not) create conditions in their environment which pushes them out and dwindles their population, not unlike we've done to wolves or such.I'm no PETA fan by any means, but your argument is nonsensical and not very well thought out.If we're killing less animals, we're killing less animals.
We're only carefully breeding these animals for slaughter, they're not accustomed to wild life, nor would most of them survive to live a full life, their joints would give out, their bodies would not support the weight and heft.Artisan breeders would still exist.
Even if everyone transitioned, the only death would be factory farming, and you'd be a complete imbecile to moan its loss
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30283210</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259682960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nope, not a violation of the laws of thermodynamics.  Yes, eating soy is still better from an energy point of view.</p><p>One would hope, however, that they can eventually get the vat meat to grow in a broth made from corn, grain, or grass rather than more meat.  Animals manage to take inputs of corn, grain, and/or grass and turn it into meat, so surely this is possible.</p><p>Furthermore, since the vat meat does not have to waste any calories sustaining certain unnecessary appendages (e.g. brain, sensory organs, reproductive system) one would think that it would use somewhat fewer calories of input to create a specific number of calories of output.  So vat meat might be more efficient energetically than regular meat, if still worse than vegetables, soy, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope , not a violation of the laws of thermodynamics .
Yes , eating soy is still better from an energy point of view.One would hope , however , that they can eventually get the vat meat to grow in a broth made from corn , grain , or grass rather than more meat .
Animals manage to take inputs of corn , grain , and/or grass and turn it into meat , so surely this is possible.Furthermore , since the vat meat does not have to waste any calories sustaining certain unnecessary appendages ( e.g .
brain , sensory organs , reproductive system ) one would think that it would use somewhat fewer calories of input to create a specific number of calories of output .
So vat meat might be more efficient energetically than regular meat , if still worse than vegetables , soy , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope, not a violation of the laws of thermodynamics.
Yes, eating soy is still better from an energy point of view.One would hope, however, that they can eventually get the vat meat to grow in a broth made from corn, grain, or grass rather than more meat.
Animals manage to take inputs of corn, grain, and/or grass and turn it into meat, so surely this is possible.Furthermore, since the vat meat does not have to waste any calories sustaining certain unnecessary appendages (e.g.
brain, sensory organs, reproductive system) one would think that it would use somewhat fewer calories of input to create a specific number of calories of output.
So vat meat might be more efficient energetically than regular meat, if still worse than vegetables, soy, etc.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277582</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>BryanL</author>
	<datestamp>1259587440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It might come down to efficiency. Putting meat on a pig naturally is probably not as efficient as meat formed in a factory.</p><p>Initially the meat broth could come from scrap meats. Eventually it could just be artificial proteins. This is just one step. Others will follow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It might come down to efficiency .
Putting meat on a pig naturally is probably not as efficient as meat formed in a factory.Initially the meat broth could come from scrap meats .
Eventually it could just be artificial proteins .
This is just one step .
Others will follow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It might come down to efficiency.
Putting meat on a pig naturally is probably not as efficient as meat formed in a factory.Initially the meat broth could come from scrap meats.
Eventually it could just be artificial proteins.
This is just one step.
Others will follow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275538</id>
	<title>Labeling solution!</title>
	<author>hatemonger</author>
	<datestamp>1259578920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&ldquo;It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.&rdquo;

You could label it as... wait for it... "Artificial Meat"! Apparently I missed the day in school where we were taught not to trust labels on food.</htmltext>
<tokenext>   It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.    You could label it as... wait for it... " Artificial Meat " !
Apparently I missed the day in school where we were taught not to trust labels on food .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>“It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.”

You could label it as... wait for it... "Artificial Meat"!
Apparently I missed the day in school where we were taught not to trust labels on food.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275312</id>
	<title>Soggy Meat?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259578200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is that what we are calling Solyent Green now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that what we are calling Solyent Green now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that what we are calling Solyent Green now?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277852</id>
	<title>Re:Weird thought</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259589180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Very weird thought alright,but would love to see this happen just to see how squirmy people will get over it.</p><p>After all, nobody would get hurt making, selling and eating vat produced human steaks, so in theory it should all be OK.  It will however no doubt be banned by governments and other organisations just because they can't deal with it objectively and rationally. Probably banned on the basis that it encourages cannibalism - will only need one horrific case like the one in Germany to provide an excuse.</p><p>I see parallels with the concept of child-porn; if the 'actors' in a child-porn movie were cartoon characters, CGI or robots, then in theory nobody is hurt by the making and distribution of these things, but as far as I know, Simpsons style cartoons can still be classified as child-porn (at least outside of Japan). I don't know if there is any good research that suggests that 'artificial' child-porn would increase/decrease/not change the chances of a viewer committing an offence against a real child<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. and I aren't about to go and look for research on the net from a work computer.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</p><p>So would non-animal meat - say artificial Pork still be classified as close enough to meat for it to be banned by Jews/Islam?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Very weird thought alright,but would love to see this happen just to see how squirmy people will get over it.After all , nobody would get hurt making , selling and eating vat produced human steaks , so in theory it should all be OK. It will however no doubt be banned by governments and other organisations just because they ca n't deal with it objectively and rationally .
Probably banned on the basis that it encourages cannibalism - will only need one horrific case like the one in Germany to provide an excuse.I see parallels with the concept of child-porn ; if the 'actors ' in a child-porn movie were cartoon characters , CGI or robots , then in theory nobody is hurt by the making and distribution of these things , but as far as I know , Simpsons style cartoons can still be classified as child-porn ( at least outside of Japan ) .
I do n't know if there is any good research that suggests that 'artificial ' child-porn would increase/decrease/not change the chances of a viewer committing an offence against a real child .. and I are n't about to go and look for research on the net from a work computer .
: - ( So would non-animal meat - say artificial Pork still be classified as close enough to meat for it to be banned by Jews/Islam ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very weird thought alright,but would love to see this happen just to see how squirmy people will get over it.After all, nobody would get hurt making, selling and eating vat produced human steaks, so in theory it should all be OK.  It will however no doubt be banned by governments and other organisations just because they can't deal with it objectively and rationally.
Probably banned on the basis that it encourages cannibalism - will only need one horrific case like the one in Germany to provide an excuse.I see parallels with the concept of child-porn; if the 'actors' in a child-porn movie were cartoon characters, CGI or robots, then in theory nobody is hurt by the making and distribution of these things, but as far as I know, Simpsons style cartoons can still be classified as child-porn (at least outside of Japan).
I don't know if there is any good research that suggests that 'artificial' child-porn would increase/decrease/not change the chances of a viewer committing an offence against a real child .. and I aren't about to go and look for research on the net from a work computer.
:-(So would non-animal meat - say artificial Pork still be classified as close enough to meat for it to be banned by Jews/Islam?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277920</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259589480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Cows should not even be in the Americas.  They are an Eurasian and African species.  If they are no longer cultivated and go feral, they will be an invasive species.  This is why I'm all for a cultural palette shift from cow to bison in north america.  Bison are native and were an integral part of the ecosystem for thousands of years prior to their unregulated slaughter and the introduction of cow.  Much of the open land in middle America would benefit from a re-introduction, as long as factory farming did not become the norm, and they were allowed to roam free-range in a managed way.  Cows are, and always have been, bad for America.  Cows are down-right UNamerican, despite the iconic cowboy (the reality of whom has done more to unravel the constitution and the spirit of the United States than any other figure in the American Mythos).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cows should not even be in the Americas .
They are an Eurasian and African species .
If they are no longer cultivated and go feral , they will be an invasive species .
This is why I 'm all for a cultural palette shift from cow to bison in north america .
Bison are native and were an integral part of the ecosystem for thousands of years prior to their unregulated slaughter and the introduction of cow .
Much of the open land in middle America would benefit from a re-introduction , as long as factory farming did not become the norm , and they were allowed to roam free-range in a managed way .
Cows are , and always have been , bad for America .
Cows are down-right UNamerican , despite the iconic cowboy ( the reality of whom has done more to unravel the constitution and the spirit of the United States than any other figure in the American Mythos ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cows should not even be in the Americas.
They are an Eurasian and African species.
If they are no longer cultivated and go feral, they will be an invasive species.
This is why I'm all for a cultural palette shift from cow to bison in north america.
Bison are native and were an integral part of the ecosystem for thousands of years prior to their unregulated slaughter and the introduction of cow.
Much of the open land in middle America would benefit from a re-introduction, as long as factory farming did not become the norm, and they were allowed to roam free-range in a managed way.
Cows are, and always have been, bad for America.
Cows are down-right UNamerican, despite the iconic cowboy (the reality of whom has done more to unravel the constitution and the spirit of the United States than any other figure in the American Mythos).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277436</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>bruins01</author>
	<datestamp>1259586600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>It does take around 10 calories' worth of nutrients to make one calorie of meat. But that's because the other nine calories are used in various other metabolic processes important for the animal to live. If you're just growing meat, you don't need most of those metabolic processes to happen.<br> <br>

Animals are very inefficient growers of meat. The idea behind this effort (besides the animal treatment issues) is that we are eventually going to be capable of creating machines that can grow meat much more efficiently than animals can. There's little reason why we can't shoot for very close to 100\% meat-growing efficiency.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does take around 10 calories ' worth of nutrients to make one calorie of meat .
But that 's because the other nine calories are used in various other metabolic processes important for the animal to live .
If you 're just growing meat , you do n't need most of those metabolic processes to happen .
Animals are very inefficient growers of meat .
The idea behind this effort ( besides the animal treatment issues ) is that we are eventually going to be capable of creating machines that can grow meat much more efficiently than animals can .
There 's little reason why we ca n't shoot for very close to 100 \ % meat-growing efficiency .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It does take around 10 calories' worth of nutrients to make one calorie of meat.
But that's because the other nine calories are used in various other metabolic processes important for the animal to live.
If you're just growing meat, you don't need most of those metabolic processes to happen.
Animals are very inefficient growers of meat.
The idea behind this effort (besides the animal treatment issues) is that we are eventually going to be capable of creating machines that can grow meat much more efficiently than animals can.
There's little reason why we can't shoot for very close to 100\% meat-growing efficiency.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30279516</id>
	<title>Re:Did Peta Read The Article?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259604060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Turtles all the way down, I think.</p></div><p>The cosmic Ponzi scheme.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Turtles all the way down , I think.The cosmic Ponzi scheme .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turtles all the way down, I think.The cosmic Ponzi scheme.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278744</id>
	<title>That is not the big question</title>
	<author>gig</author>
	<datestamp>1259597100000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; The big question</p><p>Is it safe to eat? How does it taste? Will this end hunger? These are much bigger questions.</p><p>&gt; is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh<br>&gt; rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered. It would be very<br>&gt; difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.</p><p>No, this is backwards. The reality is the same as fur versus artificial fur. When you buy a fur coat, the danger is not that you will pay for fake fur and get real fur, it's that you will pay for real fur and get fake fur. The fake is cheaper, more plentiful, or else it would not exist. You will have to go out of your way to get the real stuff. Especially if they can turn out a million times more fake meat than real meat.</p><p>And we already have vegetarian restaurants that serve artificial meat made with soy but shaped and spiced to taste as much like the real thing as possible, and there is no widespread problem where people go into a place and order a meal with soy chicken and they serve them chicken instead.</p><p>So it isn't vegetarians who have to worry about this. This will just be one more option on the cruelty-free menu, which you can choose to eat or not. It's your diehard meat-eater who doesn't want to ingest any artificial meat who will have a problem. They will have to be like vegetarians today, always making sure they are not getting any meat products thrown into what they're eating. The tables are turned.</p><p>When you look at factory farms, with all the cruelty and disease, the only solution is artificial meat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The big questionIs it safe to eat ?
How does it taste ?
Will this end hunger ?
These are much bigger questions. &gt; is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh &gt; rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered .
It would be very &gt; difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.No , this is backwards .
The reality is the same as fur versus artificial fur .
When you buy a fur coat , the danger is not that you will pay for fake fur and get real fur , it 's that you will pay for real fur and get fake fur .
The fake is cheaper , more plentiful , or else it would not exist .
You will have to go out of your way to get the real stuff .
Especially if they can turn out a million times more fake meat than real meat.And we already have vegetarian restaurants that serve artificial meat made with soy but shaped and spiced to taste as much like the real thing as possible , and there is no widespread problem where people go into a place and order a meal with soy chicken and they serve them chicken instead.So it is n't vegetarians who have to worry about this .
This will just be one more option on the cruelty-free menu , which you can choose to eat or not .
It 's your diehard meat-eater who does n't want to ingest any artificial meat who will have a problem .
They will have to be like vegetarians today , always making sure they are not getting any meat products thrown into what they 're eating .
The tables are turned.When you look at factory farms , with all the cruelty and disease , the only solution is artificial meat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; The big questionIs it safe to eat?
How does it taste?
Will this end hunger?
These are much bigger questions.&gt; is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh&gt; rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered.
It would be very&gt; difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.No, this is backwards.
The reality is the same as fur versus artificial fur.
When you buy a fur coat, the danger is not that you will pay for fake fur and get real fur, it's that you will pay for real fur and get fake fur.
The fake is cheaper, more plentiful, or else it would not exist.
You will have to go out of your way to get the real stuff.
Especially if they can turn out a million times more fake meat than real meat.And we already have vegetarian restaurants that serve artificial meat made with soy but shaped and spiced to taste as much like the real thing as possible, and there is no widespread problem where people go into a place and order a meal with soy chicken and they serve them chicken instead.So it isn't vegetarians who have to worry about this.
This will just be one more option on the cruelty-free menu, which you can choose to eat or not.
It's your diehard meat-eater who doesn't want to ingest any artificial meat who will have a problem.
They will have to be like vegetarians today, always making sure they are not getting any meat products thrown into what they're eating.
The tables are turned.When you look at factory farms, with all the cruelty and disease, the only solution is artificial meat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276224</id>
	<title>Re:Soggy Meat?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259581320000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just gonna point out that your choice of alias doesn't really help with your "don't go there" warning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just gon na point out that your choice of alias does n't really help with your " do n't go there " warning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just gonna point out that your choice of alias doesn't really help with your "don't go there" warning.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30283142</id>
	<title>Re:Weird thought</title>
	<author>Rexdude</author>
	<datestamp>1259682720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren\_Ellis" title="wikipedia.org">Warren Ellis</a> [wikipedia.org] thought of this years ago. His epic <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmetropolitan" title="wikipedia.org">Transmetropolitan</a> [wikipedia.org], a dystopian political graphic novel set in the far future- features a company called Longpig that sells cloned human meat in McDonald's style fast food outlets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Warren Ellis [ wikipedia.org ] thought of this years ago .
His epic Transmetropolitan [ wikipedia.org ] , a dystopian political graphic novel set in the far future- features a company called Longpig that sells cloned human meat in McDonald 's style fast food outlets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Warren Ellis [wikipedia.org] thought of this years ago.
His epic Transmetropolitan [wikipedia.org], a dystopian political graphic novel set in the far future- features a company called Longpig that sells cloned human meat in McDonald's style fast food outlets.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275864</id>
	<title>Huh...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259580060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) I don't give a DAMN what PETA thinks, never did, never will. I'll slaughter a million kittens before I give even the first wit of anything those hypocritical bastards have to say.<br>2) Next stop on the food production evolution: Soylent Green, which I'm sure PETA is all for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) I do n't give a DAMN what PETA thinks , never did , never will .
I 'll slaughter a million kittens before I give even the first wit of anything those hypocritical bastards have to say.2 ) Next stop on the food production evolution : Soylent Green , which I 'm sure PETA is all for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) I don't give a DAMN what PETA thinks, never did, never will.
I'll slaughter a million kittens before I give even the first wit of anything those hypocritical bastards have to say.2) Next stop on the food production evolution: Soylent Green, which I'm sure PETA is all for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276980</id>
	<title>Re:The question is about labeling?</title>
	<author>radtea</author>
	<datestamp>1259584320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>but in that case, nobody has a reason to mislabel a more expensive product and sell it to you as a less-expensive product.</i></p><p>This is an excellent logical analysis of the Vegetarian Society's lame argument.  I'm thinking they are probably just squeamish.</p><p>A vegetarian friend and I debated this question a couple of years ago, and she pointed out that she would feel creepy eating vat-grown meat (just as she felt creepy eating fake tofu-based meat when she lived  in Taiwan, where apparently it can be really hard to tell the difference between the fake stuff and the real stuff.)  To explain her attitude--which she acknowledged had no particularly rational basis, she asked if I'd be comfortable eating vat-grown human meat.</p><p>I could argue that human meat has all kinds of hygiene issues associated with it, but that would be cowardice: the fact is it would just creep me out to eat it, and I can understand how many vegetarians would be creeped out by vat-grown meat.  They should just have the courage to say so, instead of making up bizarre and logically unsupportable claims about labelling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but in that case , nobody has a reason to mislabel a more expensive product and sell it to you as a less-expensive product.This is an excellent logical analysis of the Vegetarian Society 's lame argument .
I 'm thinking they are probably just squeamish.A vegetarian friend and I debated this question a couple of years ago , and she pointed out that she would feel creepy eating vat-grown meat ( just as she felt creepy eating fake tofu-based meat when she lived in Taiwan , where apparently it can be really hard to tell the difference between the fake stuff and the real stuff .
) To explain her attitude--which she acknowledged had no particularly rational basis , she asked if I 'd be comfortable eating vat-grown human meat.I could argue that human meat has all kinds of hygiene issues associated with it , but that would be cowardice : the fact is it would just creep me out to eat it , and I can understand how many vegetarians would be creeped out by vat-grown meat .
They should just have the courage to say so , instead of making up bizarre and logically unsupportable claims about labelling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but in that case, nobody has a reason to mislabel a more expensive product and sell it to you as a less-expensive product.This is an excellent logical analysis of the Vegetarian Society's lame argument.
I'm thinking they are probably just squeamish.A vegetarian friend and I debated this question a couple of years ago, and she pointed out that she would feel creepy eating vat-grown meat (just as she felt creepy eating fake tofu-based meat when she lived  in Taiwan, where apparently it can be really hard to tell the difference between the fake stuff and the real stuff.
)  To explain her attitude--which she acknowledged had no particularly rational basis, she asked if I'd be comfortable eating vat-grown human meat.I could argue that human meat has all kinds of hygiene issues associated with it, but that would be cowardice: the fact is it would just creep me out to eat it, and I can understand how many vegetarians would be creeped out by vat-grown meat.
They should just have the courage to say so, instead of making up bizarre and logically unsupportable claims about labelling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278480</id>
	<title>like wasted muscle tissue hey?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259595000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>[quote]'"What we have at the moment is rather like wasted muscle tissue. We need to find ways of improving it by training it and stretching it, but we will get there,"[/quote]</p><p>Whatever they come up with is of great interest to myself, and the greater slashdot community... someone get these people some funding for God's sake!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ quote ] ' " What we have at the moment is rather like wasted muscle tissue .
We need to find ways of improving it by training it and stretching it , but we will get there , " [ /quote ] Whatever they come up with is of great interest to myself , and the greater slashdot community... someone get these people some funding for God 's sake !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[quote]'"What we have at the moment is rather like wasted muscle tissue.
We need to find ways of improving it by training it and stretching it, but we will get there,"[/quote]Whatever they come up with is of great interest to myself, and the greater slashdot community... someone get these people some funding for God's sake!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276338</id>
	<title>This is still made from animals</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259581680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>"extracting cells from the muscle of a live pig and putting them in a broth of other animal products"</p><p>A broth of other animal products?  How can they claim this meat doesn't come from animals then?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" extracting cells from the muscle of a live pig and putting them in a broth of other animal products " A broth of other animal products ?
How can they claim this meat does n't come from animals then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"extracting cells from the muscle of a live pig and putting them in a broth of other animal products"A broth of other animal products?
How can they claim this meat doesn't come from animals then?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30280024</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>dpryan</author>
	<datestamp>1259609880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>The "meat broth" they speak of is DMEM or something like it. Most of that you could purify from plants or bacteria or any other such source. The tough thing is that, currently, you usually supplement the DMEM with some source of serum (horse or bovine) and perhaps chicken egg extract. So, depending on what's needed, you might be able to produce meat using fewer resources and, therefore, more cheaply.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The " meat broth " they speak of is DMEM or something like it .
Most of that you could purify from plants or bacteria or any other such source .
The tough thing is that , currently , you usually supplement the DMEM with some source of serum ( horse or bovine ) and perhaps chicken egg extract .
So , depending on what 's needed , you might be able to produce meat using fewer resources and , therefore , more cheaply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "meat broth" they speak of is DMEM or something like it.
Most of that you could purify from plants or bacteria or any other such source.
The tough thing is that, currently, you usually supplement the DMEM with some source of serum (horse or bovine) and perhaps chicken egg extract.
So, depending on what's needed, you might be able to produce meat using fewer resources and, therefore, more cheaply.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276152</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>camperdave</author>
	<datestamp>1259581020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Actually, feral pigs are quite harmful to the environment.  They are one of the 100 worst invasive species.  They killed the dodo.  They can easily transmit diseases to humans.  Letting these animals into the wild is the last thing we want to do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , feral pigs are quite harmful to the environment .
They are one of the 100 worst invasive species .
They killed the dodo .
They can easily transmit diseases to humans .
Letting these animals into the wild is the last thing we want to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, feral pigs are quite harmful to the environment.
They are one of the 100 worst invasive species.
They killed the dodo.
They can easily transmit diseases to humans.
Letting these animals into the wild is the last thing we want to do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277046</id>
	<title>Humane meat? Ok, I'll eat that as well...</title>
	<author>Rhacman</author>
	<datestamp>1259584560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>If it tastes good, I'll eat it.  If it tastes different than slaughtered meat I reserve the decision to eat that as well.  Furthermore I hereby confiscate the word 'humane' to now characterize what it is to be human.  The human body has the flexibility to run on plant and animal matter.  Should it prove to be capable of running on synthetic products as well so be it but that does not invalidate my humane choice to eat slaughtered animals.  Personally I'm fine with paying more for meat or even eating less if it involves better treatment of the animals, less chemicals, better resource management etc.  Heck I'm even willing to grant that some animals are capable of feeling emotion but that doesn't mean I anthropomorphize them and relate to them as fellow human beings.  Part of being human is the choice to eat real meat.  I submit as inhumane anyone who fights to remove that choice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it tastes good , I 'll eat it .
If it tastes different than slaughtered meat I reserve the decision to eat that as well .
Furthermore I hereby confiscate the word 'humane ' to now characterize what it is to be human .
The human body has the flexibility to run on plant and animal matter .
Should it prove to be capable of running on synthetic products as well so be it but that does not invalidate my humane choice to eat slaughtered animals .
Personally I 'm fine with paying more for meat or even eating less if it involves better treatment of the animals , less chemicals , better resource management etc .
Heck I 'm even willing to grant that some animals are capable of feeling emotion but that does n't mean I anthropomorphize them and relate to them as fellow human beings .
Part of being human is the choice to eat real meat .
I submit as inhumane anyone who fights to remove that choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it tastes good, I'll eat it.
If it tastes different than slaughtered meat I reserve the decision to eat that as well.
Furthermore I hereby confiscate the word 'humane' to now characterize what it is to be human.
The human body has the flexibility to run on plant and animal matter.
Should it prove to be capable of running on synthetic products as well so be it but that does not invalidate my humane choice to eat slaughtered animals.
Personally I'm fine with paying more for meat or even eating less if it involves better treatment of the animals, less chemicals, better resource management etc.
Heck I'm even willing to grant that some animals are capable of feeling emotion but that doesn't mean I anthropomorphize them and relate to them as fellow human beings.
Part of being human is the choice to eat real meat.
I submit as inhumane anyone who fights to remove that choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276066</id>
	<title>Re:...What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259580720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if there is no enforced labelling to to allow people to opt out of eating lab grown meat if they find the methods used to produce it suspicious?</p><p>It could turn out to be the same kind of problem as GMO foods are already. There may be nothing wrong with it, but fighting for your 'right' not to tell me if it exists in my food isn't going to earn my trust.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if there is no enforced labelling to to allow people to opt out of eating lab grown meat if they find the methods used to produce it suspicious ? It could turn out to be the same kind of problem as GMO foods are already .
There may be nothing wrong with it , but fighting for your 'right ' not to tell me if it exists in my food is n't going to earn my trust .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if there is no enforced labelling to to allow people to opt out of eating lab grown meat if they find the methods used to produce it suspicious?It could turn out to be the same kind of problem as GMO foods are already.
There may be nothing wrong with it, but fighting for your 'right' not to tell me if it exists in my food isn't going to earn my trust.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275874</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259580120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>No, PETA's not making a rational or decent statement when they purport to act in the interests of animals.</p><p>The reason the Vegetarian Society is opposed because the process of creating artificial meat involves experimentation on and killing of thousands of animals to get there. From a rights perspective, utilitarianism doesn't make sense, so its no wonder that a rights-based group would disagree with it.</p><p>There's nothing extreme about what the Vegetarian Society is saying or doing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , PETA 's not making a rational or decent statement when they purport to act in the interests of animals.The reason the Vegetarian Society is opposed because the process of creating artificial meat involves experimentation on and killing of thousands of animals to get there .
From a rights perspective , utilitarianism does n't make sense , so its no wonder that a rights-based group would disagree with it.There 's nothing extreme about what the Vegetarian Society is saying or doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, PETA's not making a rational or decent statement when they purport to act in the interests of animals.The reason the Vegetarian Society is opposed because the process of creating artificial meat involves experimentation on and killing of thousands of animals to get there.
From a rights perspective, utilitarianism doesn't make sense, so its no wonder that a rights-based group would disagree with it.There's nothing extreme about what the Vegetarian Society is saying or doing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278276</id>
	<title>Re:Call me a p3rv3rt...</title>
	<author>drsquare</author>
	<datestamp>1259592600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would the warranty cover yeast infections?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would the warranty cover yeast infections ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would the warranty cover yeast infections?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30313822</id>
	<title>Re:Call me a p3rv3rt...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259868540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Already been invented. They never got around to publishing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Already been invented .
They never got around to publishing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Already been invented.
They never got around to publishing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278170</id>
	<title>$1 million prize</title>
	<author>200\_success</author>
	<datestamp>1259591700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Remember, PETA has offered a <a href="/article.pl?sid=08/04/21/126253" title="slashdot.org">$1 million prize</a> [slashdot.org] for commercially viable artificial meat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember , PETA has offered a $ 1 million prize [ slashdot.org ] for commercially viable artificial meat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember, PETA has offered a $1 million prize [slashdot.org] for commercially viable artificial meat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30280798</id>
	<title>Re:Exercizing Meat</title>
	<author>rrohbeck</author>
	<datestamp>1259662500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Just let Jillian Michaels scream at it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just let Jillian Michaels scream at it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just let Jillian Michaels scream at it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276926</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Onymous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1259584020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Trust me, someone is always going to complain about this. If not PETA themselves, then some ultra-radical vegan faction.</p></div><p>You would do well to ignore the gripey extremes.  I know a good number of practical vegans who are interested in vat meat for the ethical benefits, who are not worried about dogmatic issues.</p><p>Oh, wait...  Is griping about the gripey extremes just about the same thing as <em>being</em> a gripey extreme?  Am I getting trolled by a meta-curmudgeon?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Trust me , someone is always going to complain about this .
If not PETA themselves , then some ultra-radical vegan faction.You would do well to ignore the gripey extremes .
I know a good number of practical vegans who are interested in vat meat for the ethical benefits , who are not worried about dogmatic issues.Oh , wait... Is griping about the gripey extremes just about the same thing as being a gripey extreme ?
Am I getting trolled by a meta-curmudgeon ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trust me, someone is always going to complain about this.
If not PETA themselves, then some ultra-radical vegan faction.You would do well to ignore the gripey extremes.
I know a good number of practical vegans who are interested in vat meat for the ethical benefits, who are not worried about dogmatic issues.Oh, wait...  Is griping about the gripey extremes just about the same thing as being a gripey extreme?
Am I getting trolled by a meta-curmudgeon?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277554</id>
	<title>Re:How do you suppose they are going to trick</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1259587260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a grad student, and I would volunteer to taste it.  Depending on what was in the culture media that is (no viral transfection seems to have been used).  I also probably would boil it first.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a grad student , and I would volunteer to taste it .
Depending on what was in the culture media that is ( no viral transfection seems to have been used ) .
I also probably would boil it first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a grad student, and I would volunteer to taste it.
Depending on what was in the culture media that is (no viral transfection seems to have been used).
I also probably would boil it first.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30288228</id>
	<title>Not necessary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259659440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know people want what they want, but this seems so wasteful.</p><p>Asian cuisine has had very impressive faux meats for centuries.  They aren't replicas, but they taste great and are nutritious.  Plenty of tasty western versions  as well.  Then there are traditional Asian soy foods,  whole grains, seeds, vegetables, fruits and legumes.  Thousands of years of recipes that you could make a part time job exploring.     All natural, no high tech research needed.   Your health will improve and your diet will pollute the Earth less.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know people want what they want , but this seems so wasteful.Asian cuisine has had very impressive faux meats for centuries .
They are n't replicas , but they taste great and are nutritious .
Plenty of tasty western versions as well .
Then there are traditional Asian soy foods , whole grains , seeds , vegetables , fruits and legumes .
Thousands of years of recipes that you could make a part time job exploring .
All natural , no high tech research needed .
Your health will improve and your diet will pollute the Earth less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know people want what they want, but this seems so wasteful.Asian cuisine has had very impressive faux meats for centuries.
They aren't replicas, but they taste great and are nutritious.
Plenty of tasty western versions  as well.
Then there are traditional Asian soy foods,  whole grains, seeds, vegetables, fruits and legumes.
Thousands of years of recipes that you could make a part time job exploring.
All natural, no high tech research needed.
Your health will improve and your diet will pollute the Earth less.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276846</id>
	<title>Re:Tasteless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259583660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>actually, cruelty = flavor. until someone figures out how to torture the artificial cultivated test tube product the result will be flavorless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actually , cruelty = flavor .
until someone figures out how to torture the artificial cultivated test tube product the result will be flavorless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually, cruelty = flavor.
until someone figures out how to torture the artificial cultivated test tube product the result will be flavorless.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30281456</id>
	<title>Da Da Dum Da Dum!</title>
	<author>dazaris</author>
	<datestamp>1259669520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Artificial Meat Funding Bill is passed. The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. The Artificial Meat begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.</p><p>The Artificial Meat fights back!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Artificial Meat Funding Bill is passed .
The system goes on-line August 4th , 1997 .
Human decisions are removed from strategic defense .
The Artificial Meat begins to learn at a geometric rate .
It becomes self-aware at 2 : 14 a.m. Eastern time , August 29th .
In a panic , they try to pull the plug.The Artificial Meat fights back !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Artificial Meat Funding Bill is passed.
The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997.
Human decisions are removed from strategic defense.
The Artificial Meat begins to learn at a geometric rate.
It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th.
In a panic, they try to pull the plug.The Artificial Meat fights back!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30281172</id>
	<title>Re:My Hope</title>
	<author>Have Brain Will Rent</author>
	<datestamp>1259666040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well if you could get it to grow around some tomato and lettuce and then squeeze in between two slices of bread before hpping onto your plate...mmmmmmmmm bacon!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if you could get it to grow around some tomato and lettuce and then squeeze in between two slices of bread before hpping onto your plate...mmmmmmmmm bacon !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well if you could get it to grow around some tomato and lettuce and then squeeze in between two slices of bread before hpping onto your plate...mmmmmmmmm bacon!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275656</id>
	<title>Kim Kool</title>
	<author>snspdaarf</author>
	<datestamp>1259579400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"A long, tall, delicious glass of Meat"
<br> <br>
No, thanks, I like my food to have at least a genus, and preferably a species, associated with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" A long , tall , delicious glass of Meat " No , thanks , I like my food to have at least a genus , and preferably a species , associated with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A long, tall, delicious glass of Meat"
 
No, thanks, I like my food to have at least a genus, and preferably a species, associated with it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275984</id>
	<title>Sure</title>
	<author>Demonic*Yodeler</author>
	<datestamp>1259580480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll have me another slice of Shoggoth</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll have me another slice of Shoggoth</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll have me another slice of Shoggoth</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276890</id>
	<title>Adapt it for veggies...</title>
	<author>TheGreatOrangePeel</author>
	<datestamp>1259583900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and I can open a Doublemeat Palace.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and I can open a Doublemeat Palace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and I can open a Doublemeat Palace.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275848</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>camperdave</author>
	<datestamp>1259580000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What rational statement is that?  "as far as we're concerned, if meat is no longer a piece of a dead animal there's no ethical objection"?  Did they miss the part where this was grown in a broth made from animal products.  Trust me, someone is always going to complain about this.  If not PETA themselves, then some ultra-radical vegan faction.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What rational statement is that ?
" as far as we 're concerned , if meat is no longer a piece of a dead animal there 's no ethical objection " ?
Did they miss the part where this was grown in a broth made from animal products .
Trust me , someone is always going to complain about this .
If not PETA themselves , then some ultra-radical vegan faction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What rational statement is that?
"as far as we're concerned, if meat is no longer a piece of a dead animal there's no ethical objection"?
Did they miss the part where this was grown in a broth made from animal products.
Trust me, someone is always going to complain about this.
If not PETA themselves, then some ultra-radical vegan faction.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276104</id>
	<title>Mystery Meat...</title>
	<author>DigitalJer</author>
	<datestamp>1259580840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...has just been redefined</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...has just been redefined</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...has just been redefined</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30280724</id>
	<title>Re:Tasteless</title>
	<author>dunkelfalke</author>
	<datestamp>1259661780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really. Fat by itself doesn't have much taste at all - try unsalted salo without any spices to get an idea. But fat is a very good taste carrier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really .
Fat by itself does n't have much taste at all - try unsalted salo without any spices to get an idea .
But fat is a very good taste carrier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really.
Fat by itself doesn't have much taste at all - try unsalted salo without any spices to get an idea.
But fat is a very good taste carrier.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276434</id>
	<title>Re:Obligatory Transmetropolitan reference</title>
	<author>Nyrath the nearly wi</author>
	<datestamp>1259581920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to mention Sir Arthur C. Clarke's short story <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Food\_of\_the\_Gods\_(short\_story)" title="wikipedia.org">The Food of the Gods</a> [wikipedia.org] </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to mention Sir Arthur C. Clarke 's short story The Food of the Gods [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention Sir Arthur C. Clarke's short story The Food of the Gods [wikipedia.org] </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277316</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259585880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd go with "cost much more", as in how some utility companies charged a $2 convenience fee for using online bill pay several years ago.  It may cost the meat producer less, but a "premium" product should cost more from a marketing perspective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd go with " cost much more " , as in how some utility companies charged a $ 2 convenience fee for using online bill pay several years ago .
It may cost the meat producer less , but a " premium " product should cost more from a marketing perspective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd go with "cost much more", as in how some utility companies charged a $2 convenience fee for using online bill pay several years ago.
It may cost the meat producer less, but a "premium" product should cost more from a marketing perspective.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277810</id>
	<title>Re:Tasteless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259589000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>As a foodie,</i></p><p>Shut.  The.  Fuck.  Up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a foodie,Shut .
The. Fuck .
Up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a foodie,Shut.
The.  Fuck.
Up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30279014</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259599140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, obviously that's what he meant.<br>Thanks for your post.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , obviously that 's what he meant.Thanks for your post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, obviously that's what he meant.Thanks for your post.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275442</id>
	<title>So... is it KOSHER?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259578680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm guessing not...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm guessing not.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm guessing not...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278408</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Dannon</author>
	<datestamp>1259594280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's another interesting thought. As the story said:<br><i>The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered.</i></p><p>Let's twist it around the other way. Some folks might have a religious or dietary concern over this "fake meat". I mean, look at the big stink and controversy over genetically selected or modified strains of grain.  Not to mention, does "fake meat" fit into kosher rules?</p><p>How do I know that I'm getting "natural" meat? Even today with grain products and organic fruits and veggies, the FDA is a bit fuzzy on letting manufacturers label their products as "all natural".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's another interesting thought .
As the story said : The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered.Let 's twist it around the other way .
Some folks might have a religious or dietary concern over this " fake meat " .
I mean , look at the big stink and controversy over genetically selected or modified strains of grain .
Not to mention , does " fake meat " fit into kosher rules ? How do I know that I 'm getting " natural " meat ?
Even today with grain products and organic fruits and veggies , the FDA is a bit fuzzy on letting manufacturers label their products as " all natural " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's another interesting thought.
As the story said:The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered.Let's twist it around the other way.
Some folks might have a religious or dietary concern over this "fake meat".
I mean, look at the big stink and controversy over genetically selected or modified strains of grain.
Not to mention, does "fake meat" fit into kosher rules?How do I know that I'm getting "natural" meat?
Even today with grain products and organic fruits and veggies, the FDA is a bit fuzzy on letting manufacturers label their products as "all natural".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277450</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Fictional Tag! The Space Merchants</title>
	<author>alexhs</author>
	<datestamp>1259586600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I also have <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074103/" title="imdb.com">"L'aile ou la cuisse" (The Wing and the Thigh)</a> [imdb.com], with the relevant <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y3skcYewac" title="youtube.com">excerpt</a> [youtube.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I also have " L'aile ou la cuisse " ( The Wing and the Thigh ) [ imdb.com ] , with the relevant excerpt [ youtube.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also have "L'aile ou la cuisse" (The Wing and the Thigh) [imdb.com], with the relevant excerpt [youtube.com].</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276582</id>
	<title>Artificial meat preceeds artificial eating</title>
	<author>PaganRitual</author>
	<datestamp>1259582520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Today, we have artificial meat; meat that you eat that isn't even meat.</p><p>Tomorrow will we have artificial eating? You won't even get to eat your artificial meat in the old fashioned way.</p><p>How long until all you can get is a hot beef injection? I don't know about you guys, but that sounds pretty gay to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Today , we have artificial meat ; meat that you eat that is n't even meat.Tomorrow will we have artificial eating ?
You wo n't even get to eat your artificial meat in the old fashioned way.How long until all you can get is a hot beef injection ?
I do n't know about you guys , but that sounds pretty gay to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Today, we have artificial meat; meat that you eat that isn't even meat.Tomorrow will we have artificial eating?
You won't even get to eat your artificial meat in the old fashioned way.How long until all you can get is a hot beef injection?
I don't know about you guys, but that sounds pretty gay to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276776</id>
	<title>MEATROM</title>
	<author>Seanasy</author>
	<datestamp>1259583420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>You can turn that flabby, wasted muscle tissue into real lean meat in just 4 minutes a day!</b>

<p>EXPERTS ARE VERY MUCH MISTAKEN.  Experts in all fields of knowledge are guardians of the status-quo. Anything that differs with their beliefs is immediately dismissed by them as untrue. Their reasoning goes as follows: "I do not even have to waste my time looking into anything that differs with my knowledge and beliefs, because I know absolutely everything there is to be known about my field of knowledge, therefore anything that conflicts with my beliefs must be false." That sort of reasoning of course is dumb circular reasoning and it automatically precludes any new insights because NEW means different, if it would not be different it would not be new. The few "experts" who have dared to think outside the box and have tried the MEATROM just once for 4 minutes have become instant converts and believers in a 4 minute workout for cardio, muscle strength and flexibility.</p><p>

<b>All it takes is a LEAP OF FAITH and $14,615</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can turn that flabby , wasted muscle tissue into real lean meat in just 4 minutes a day !
EXPERTS ARE VERY MUCH MISTAKEN .
Experts in all fields of knowledge are guardians of the status-quo .
Anything that differs with their beliefs is immediately dismissed by them as untrue .
Their reasoning goes as follows : " I do not even have to waste my time looking into anything that differs with my knowledge and beliefs , because I know absolutely everything there is to be known about my field of knowledge , therefore anything that conflicts with my beliefs must be false .
" That sort of reasoning of course is dumb circular reasoning and it automatically precludes any new insights because NEW means different , if it would not be different it would not be new .
The few " experts " who have dared to think outside the box and have tried the MEATROM just once for 4 minutes have become instant converts and believers in a 4 minute workout for cardio , muscle strength and flexibility .
All it takes is a LEAP OF FAITH and $ 14,615</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can turn that flabby, wasted muscle tissue into real lean meat in just 4 minutes a day!
EXPERTS ARE VERY MUCH MISTAKEN.
Experts in all fields of knowledge are guardians of the status-quo.
Anything that differs with their beliefs is immediately dismissed by them as untrue.
Their reasoning goes as follows: "I do not even have to waste my time looking into anything that differs with my knowledge and beliefs, because I know absolutely everything there is to be known about my field of knowledge, therefore anything that conflicts with my beliefs must be false.
" That sort of reasoning of course is dumb circular reasoning and it automatically precludes any new insights because NEW means different, if it would not be different it would not be new.
The few "experts" who have dared to think outside the box and have tried the MEATROM just once for 4 minutes have become instant converts and believers in a 4 minute workout for cardio, muscle strength and flexibility.
All it takes is a LEAP OF FAITH and $14,615</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278304</id>
	<title>Re:As a vegetarian...</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1259592960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I'm reminded by a novel from years back, I think it was called "Cat Karina".  The entire world was converted to a religion that was strictly vegan.  What was craved most was a very tasty product made from some obscure bio-engineered plant.  The very carefully controlled secret was that the creature was not plant, but an animal that somewhat resembles a plant.  The idea being that even though people claim to be vegan, given a choice they would still prefer meat if they can convince themselves it's really a plant.  (Which in my opinion is more than a little offensive to real vegans.)
</p><p>
I figure, the product has a built-in following amongst the people who currently buy meat substitutes that are engineered to (somewhat) resemble the real thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm reminded by a novel from years back , I think it was called " Cat Karina " .
The entire world was converted to a religion that was strictly vegan .
What was craved most was a very tasty product made from some obscure bio-engineered plant .
The very carefully controlled secret was that the creature was not plant , but an animal that somewhat resembles a plant .
The idea being that even though people claim to be vegan , given a choice they would still prefer meat if they can convince themselves it 's really a plant .
( Which in my opinion is more than a little offensive to real vegans .
) I figure , the product has a built-in following amongst the people who currently buy meat substitutes that are engineered to ( somewhat ) resemble the real thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I'm reminded by a novel from years back, I think it was called "Cat Karina".
The entire world was converted to a religion that was strictly vegan.
What was craved most was a very tasty product made from some obscure bio-engineered plant.
The very carefully controlled secret was that the creature was not plant, but an animal that somewhat resembles a plant.
The idea being that even though people claim to be vegan, given a choice they would still prefer meat if they can convince themselves it's really a plant.
(Which in my opinion is more than a little offensive to real vegans.
)

I figure, the product has a built-in following amongst the people who currently buy meat substitutes that are engineered to (somewhat) resemble the real thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277460</id>
	<title>Re:The question is about labeling?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259586660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>money, even a considered idiot would look beyond the economic perspective but you just an idiot, its like half of science simply ignores the whole environmental issue.<br>and yes im sure this research one day may yield something useful to someone- it certainly doesnt address the issues the world faces right now and therefore as the guy above puts it in rather more complex terms- is a waste of time.<br>if you are doing nothing more useful AND have the knowledge and resource to maybe, i dunno , save all of human existence for future generations maybe you should do us a bigger scientific favour and pop a gun to your temple, so at least the rest of have a chance. im not kidding either, go on do it - its in the draw next to your bed and i can use your lab to do something A- viable within the next few years and B- actually useful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>money , even a considered idiot would look beyond the economic perspective but you just an idiot , its like half of science simply ignores the whole environmental issue.and yes im sure this research one day may yield something useful to someone- it certainly doesnt address the issues the world faces right now and therefore as the guy above puts it in rather more complex terms- is a waste of time.if you are doing nothing more useful AND have the knowledge and resource to maybe , i dunno , save all of human existence for future generations maybe you should do us a bigger scientific favour and pop a gun to your temple , so at least the rest of have a chance .
im not kidding either , go on do it - its in the draw next to your bed and i can use your lab to do something A- viable within the next few years and B- actually useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>money, even a considered idiot would look beyond the economic perspective but you just an idiot, its like half of science simply ignores the whole environmental issue.and yes im sure this research one day may yield something useful to someone- it certainly doesnt address the issues the world faces right now and therefore as the guy above puts it in rather more complex terms- is a waste of time.if you are doing nothing more useful AND have the knowledge and resource to maybe, i dunno , save all of human existence for future generations maybe you should do us a bigger scientific favour and pop a gun to your temple, so at least the rest of have a chance.
im not kidding either, go on do it - its in the draw next to your bed and i can use your lab to do something A- viable within the next few years and B- actually useful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30287242</id>
	<title>Artificial? Huh?</title>
	<author>gumpish</author>
	<datestamp>1259698860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Artificial? It's <i>REAL</i> muscle tissue. It's not IMITATION meat... it's meat.</p><p>By the way, how come can't interact with the tag interface anymore? Tried Firefox 3.5 and Opera 10 in Linux, Firefox 3.5 and IE 8 in WinXP, logged in in each session, nothing...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Artificial ?
It 's REAL muscle tissue .
It 's not IMITATION meat... it 's meat.By the way , how come ca n't interact with the tag interface anymore ?
Tried Firefox 3.5 and Opera 10 in Linux , Firefox 3.5 and IE 8 in WinXP , logged in in each session , nothing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Artificial?
It's REAL muscle tissue.
It's not IMITATION meat... it's meat.By the way, how come can't interact with the tag interface anymore?
Tried Firefox 3.5 and Opera 10 in Linux, Firefox 3.5 and IE 8 in WinXP, logged in in each session, nothing...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30284512</id>
	<title>By Neruos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259688660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They didn't create meat. Just changed the process in which it grows. No Creation here, move along...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They did n't create meat .
Just changed the process in which it grows .
No Creation here , move along.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They didn't create meat.
Just changed the process in which it grows.
No Creation here, move along...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275926</id>
	<title>In other news,</title>
	<author>mhajicek</author>
	<datestamp>1259580300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Human flesh is found to grow quickly and cheaply under certain laboratory conditions.  In other news, Oscar Meyer has just announced a new "Long Pork" flavor hot dog.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Human flesh is found to grow quickly and cheaply under certain laboratory conditions .
In other news , Oscar Meyer has just announced a new " Long Pork " flavor hot dog .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Human flesh is found to grow quickly and cheaply under certain laboratory conditions.
In other news, Oscar Meyer has just announced a new "Long Pork" flavor hot dog.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276014</id>
	<title>Nostalgia</title>
	<author>bwintx</author>
	<datestamp>1259580600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bet this stuff takes just like the "mystery meat" in the cafeteria back at my dear ol' alma mater. Yum.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bet this stuff takes just like the " mystery meat " in the cafeteria back at my dear ol ' alma mater .
Yum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bet this stuff takes just like the "mystery meat" in the cafeteria back at my dear ol' alma mater.
Yum.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277914</id>
	<title>Re:Tasteless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259589480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're not a foodie, otherwise you would know there is no marbling in the cow's tenderloin, and many people prefer that to a well marbled rib eye.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're not a foodie , otherwise you would know there is no marbling in the cow 's tenderloin , and many people prefer that to a well marbled rib eye .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're not a foodie, otherwise you would know there is no marbling in the cow's tenderloin, and many people prefer that to a well marbled rib eye.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276094</id>
	<title>soylent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259580840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Soylent Green is people!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Soylent Green is people ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Soylent Green is people!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278544</id>
	<title>Re:Better Off Ted: Test Tub Meat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259595480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was thinking of that - you beat me to it.  Too bad that show didn't make it, though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking of that - you beat me to it .
Too bad that show did n't make it , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was thinking of that - you beat me to it.
Too bad that show didn't make it, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276522</id>
	<title>Tastes like meat</title>
	<author>Kenoli</author>
	<datestamp>1259582280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe some day artificial meat will of such quality that it will be indistinguishable from genuine meat.<br>
<br>
That way farm animals as we know them will lose their usefulness to humans and become extinct.<br>
<br>
Score one PETA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe some day artificial meat will of such quality that it will be indistinguishable from genuine meat .
That way farm animals as we know them will lose their usefulness to humans and become extinct .
Score one PETA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe some day artificial meat will of such quality that it will be indistinguishable from genuine meat.
That way farm animals as we know them will lose their usefulness to humans and become extinct.
Score one PETA.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277152</id>
	<title>Futurama always has a solution.</title>
	<author>PPCAvenger</author>
	<datestamp>1259585100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> '"What we have at the moment is rather like wasted muscle tissue. We need to find ways of improving it by training it and stretching it, but we will get there,"</p></div> </blockquote><p>
&nbsp; Worms!  They'll Jazzercise the muscle tissue! Why, by the time they're finished it'll be as strong and flexible as Hercules and Gumby combined!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>' " What we have at the moment is rather like wasted muscle tissue .
We need to find ways of improving it by training it and stretching it , but we will get there , "   Worms !
They 'll Jazzercise the muscle tissue !
Why , by the time they 're finished it 'll be as strong and flexible as Hercules and Gumby combined !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> '"What we have at the moment is rather like wasted muscle tissue.
We need to find ways of improving it by training it and stretching it, but we will get there," 
  Worms!
They'll Jazzercise the muscle tissue!
Why, by the time they're finished it'll be as strong and flexible as Hercules and Gumby combined!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276282</id>
	<title>Re:My Hope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259581500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>hmm you need to expand your imagination.  Think "stegosaurus steak"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hmm you need to expand your imagination .
Think " stegosaurus steak "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hmm you need to expand your imagination.
Think "stegosaurus steak"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276024</id>
	<title>Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>plopez</author>
	<datestamp>1259580600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, how do you produce the equivalent of 1 million animals with one animal without violating the laws of thermodynamics?<br>In order to get the same calories out you need to get the same, or more, calories in. For meat it is in the range of 10 times the calories from veggies (e.g. corn) to get one calorie of meat.</p><p>They talk about a "meat broth". This is where the calories come from. No big change. In fact it may be worse since it is higher on the food chain, you have to first produce the meat for the broth then grow the "meat" stuff. And if they switch to veg. protein we would be better off eating soy or tempeh.</p><p>I shudder to think of the meat rendering waste they will use for the broth. And if meat is still required to make meat, PETA just screwed up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , how do you produce the equivalent of 1 million animals with one animal without violating the laws of thermodynamics ? In order to get the same calories out you need to get the same , or more , calories in .
For meat it is in the range of 10 times the calories from veggies ( e.g .
corn ) to get one calorie of meat.They talk about a " meat broth " .
This is where the calories come from .
No big change .
In fact it may be worse since it is higher on the food chain , you have to first produce the meat for the broth then grow the " meat " stuff .
And if they switch to veg .
protein we would be better off eating soy or tempeh.I shudder to think of the meat rendering waste they will use for the broth .
And if meat is still required to make meat , PETA just screwed up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, how do you produce the equivalent of 1 million animals with one animal without violating the laws of thermodynamics?In order to get the same calories out you need to get the same, or more, calories in.
For meat it is in the range of 10 times the calories from veggies (e.g.
corn) to get one calorie of meat.They talk about a "meat broth".
This is where the calories come from.
No big change.
In fact it may be worse since it is higher on the food chain, you have to first produce the meat for the broth then grow the "meat" stuff.
And if they switch to veg.
protein we would be better off eating soy or tempeh.I shudder to think of the meat rendering waste they will use for the broth.
And if meat is still required to make meat, PETA just screwed up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30280002</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1259609520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Is it ok if we make artificial human meat and eat that?</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Only if it's "naturally" flavored.  Everyone knows the artificial, corn-fed, hormone-injected stuff is crap.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it ok if we make artificial human meat and eat that ?
Only if it 's " naturally " flavored .
Everyone knows the artificial , corn-fed , hormone-injected stuff is crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it ok if we make artificial human meat and eat that?
Only if it's "naturally" flavored.
Everyone knows the artificial, corn-fed, hormone-injected stuff is crap.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276624</id>
	<title>and obligatory response</title>
	<author>strawberryutopia</author>
	<datestamp>1259582760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>long pork is long</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>long pork is long</tokentext>
<sentencetext>long pork is long</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275614</id>
	<title>the label you're looking for is "$0.50/lb"</title>
	<author>Goldsmith</author>
	<datestamp>1259579160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered. It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.</p></div><p>
I would imagine we will be able to grow meat at a substantially lower cost than raising cattle... the difference to the consumer will be pretty obvious.  Other than that, I agree that it may be hard to tell the difference between "bad" slaughtered meat and grown meat.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered .
It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust .
I would imagine we will be able to grow meat at a substantially lower cost than raising cattle... the difference to the consumer will be pretty obvious .
Other than that , I agree that it may be hard to tell the difference between " bad " slaughtered meat and grown meat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered.
It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.
I would imagine we will be able to grow meat at a substantially lower cost than raising cattle... the difference to the consumer will be pretty obvious.
Other than that, I agree that it may be hard to tell the difference between "bad" slaughtered meat and grown meat.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276806</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>rm999</author>
	<datestamp>1259583540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure what you think thermodynamics means, but it is not what you appear to be saying. Meat is not the same thing as energy, and calories are not the same thing as meat (plants can create calories from air, water, and light). There is no law that says calories must be conserved in a closed system - the laws of thermodynamics only say this about energy. Maybe the scientists are heating the broth, or shining a light on it.</p><p>And they never mention a "meat broth" - that phrase does not belong in quotes. The article talks about a "broth of other animal products", which could mean a lot of things, like: skin cells, blood, or milk. As a vegan I would never consume the resulting meat, but a vegetarian should be fine with eating meat converted from milk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure what you think thermodynamics means , but it is not what you appear to be saying .
Meat is not the same thing as energy , and calories are not the same thing as meat ( plants can create calories from air , water , and light ) .
There is no law that says calories must be conserved in a closed system - the laws of thermodynamics only say this about energy .
Maybe the scientists are heating the broth , or shining a light on it.And they never mention a " meat broth " - that phrase does not belong in quotes .
The article talks about a " broth of other animal products " , which could mean a lot of things , like : skin cells , blood , or milk .
As a vegan I would never consume the resulting meat , but a vegetarian should be fine with eating meat converted from milk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure what you think thermodynamics means, but it is not what you appear to be saying.
Meat is not the same thing as energy, and calories are not the same thing as meat (plants can create calories from air, water, and light).
There is no law that says calories must be conserved in a closed system - the laws of thermodynamics only say this about energy.
Maybe the scientists are heating the broth, or shining a light on it.And they never mention a "meat broth" - that phrase does not belong in quotes.
The article talks about a "broth of other animal products", which could mean a lot of things, like: skin cells, blood, or milk.
As a vegan I would never consume the resulting meat, but a vegetarian should be fine with eating meat converted from milk.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30281236</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259666760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This industrial revolution is going to backfire on the Yankees. If, in 5-10 years, this industrialisation becomes big enough to surpass traditional slavery techniques, what does the north think will happen to all those black folks and other like animals? What are we just going to give them up and let them live free? No, we'll sell the slaves we have as we transition to the new method. Then, we expand over the previous land we used to work and house the slaves; replacing (more or less) open land with whatever tools, machines, and buildings we need to develop EngineTech. Enslaved populations will plummet and free coloureds will be no better off, the net result will be fewer blacks in the world (but more work!)</p><p>Don't read too much into this yammering post; I'm all for this idea.</p><p>I simply wonder why the north still thinks being stuck on the cotton farm is worse than what we've (historically) done to slaves that don't serve as useful a purpose. If the man or boy isn't being used, I would expect us to (intentionally or not) create conditions in their environment which pushes them out and dwindles their population, not unlike we've done to wolves or such.</p><p>(CK.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This industrial revolution is going to backfire on the Yankees .
If , in 5-10 years , this industrialisation becomes big enough to surpass traditional slavery techniques , what does the north think will happen to all those black folks and other like animals ?
What are we just going to give them up and let them live free ?
No , we 'll sell the slaves we have as we transition to the new method .
Then , we expand over the previous land we used to work and house the slaves ; replacing ( more or less ) open land with whatever tools , machines , and buildings we need to develop EngineTech .
Enslaved populations will plummet and free coloureds will be no better off , the net result will be fewer blacks in the world ( but more work !
) Do n't read too much into this yammering post ; I 'm all for this idea.I simply wonder why the north still thinks being stuck on the cotton farm is worse than what we 've ( historically ) done to slaves that do n't serve as useful a purpose .
If the man or boy is n't being used , I would expect us to ( intentionally or not ) create conditions in their environment which pushes them out and dwindles their population , not unlike we 've done to wolves or such. ( CK .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This industrial revolution is going to backfire on the Yankees.
If, in 5-10 years, this industrialisation becomes big enough to surpass traditional slavery techniques, what does the north think will happen to all those black folks and other like animals?
What are we just going to give them up and let them live free?
No, we'll sell the slaves we have as we transition to the new method.
Then, we expand over the previous land we used to work and house the slaves; replacing (more or less) open land with whatever tools, machines, and buildings we need to develop EngineTech.
Enslaved populations will plummet and free coloureds will be no better off, the net result will be fewer blacks in the world (but more work!
)Don't read too much into this yammering post; I'm all for this idea.I simply wonder why the north still thinks being stuck on the cotton farm is worse than what we've (historically) done to slaves that don't serve as useful a purpose.
If the man or boy isn't being used, I would expect us to (intentionally or not) create conditions in their environment which pushes them out and dwindles their population, not unlike we've done to wolves or such.(CK.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275460</id>
	<title>Epic fail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259578680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>... scientists have created the first artificial meat by extracting cells from the muscle of a live pig and putting them in a broth of other animal products...</p></div></blockquote><p>Okay smartasses, how is the broth of other animal products made?</p><p>Epic fail on understanding vegetarians and vegans.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... scientists have created the first artificial meat by extracting cells from the muscle of a live pig and putting them in a broth of other animal products...Okay smartasses , how is the broth of other animal products made ? Epic fail on understanding vegetarians and vegans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... scientists have created the first artificial meat by extracting cells from the muscle of a live pig and putting them in a broth of other animal products...Okay smartasses, how is the broth of other animal products made?Epic fail on understanding vegetarians and vegans.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30289040</id>
	<title>Easy to verify</title>
	<author>plehmuffin</author>
	<datestamp>1259662740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just throw some <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green\_fluorescent\_protein" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">GFP</a> [wikipedia.org] in there.  Anyone who wants to see if it's artificial can just turn the lights out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just throw some GFP [ wikipedia.org ] in there .
Anyone who wants to see if it 's artificial can just turn the lights out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just throw some GFP [wikipedia.org] in there.
Anyone who wants to see if it's artificial can just turn the lights out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277818</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>rahvin112</author>
	<datestamp>1259589000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. PETA doesn't care about slaughtering animals, they kill thousands of dogs and cats every single year. What they care about in PETA's whacked out world is that humans don't interfere with animals. I don't think most people realize that PETA wants to ban pet ownership (they refer to it as animal slavery). PETA's founder and leader is a complete whacko that doesn't mind killing domesticated animals as long as no human eats them or owns them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
PETA does n't care about slaughtering animals , they kill thousands of dogs and cats every single year .
What they care about in PETA 's whacked out world is that humans do n't interfere with animals .
I do n't think most people realize that PETA wants to ban pet ownership ( they refer to it as animal slavery ) .
PETA 's founder and leader is a complete whacko that does n't mind killing domesticated animals as long as no human eats them or owns them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
PETA doesn't care about slaughtering animals, they kill thousands of dogs and cats every single year.
What they care about in PETA's whacked out world is that humans don't interfere with animals.
I don't think most people realize that PETA wants to ban pet ownership (they refer to it as animal slavery).
PETA's founder and leader is a complete whacko that doesn't mind killing domesticated animals as long as no human eats them or owns them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277876</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259589360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought the same thing. When I read this:</p><blockquote><div><p>"The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered. It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.""</p></div></blockquote><p>I mentally translated it to:</p><blockquote><div><p>Hey wait, if artificial meat ever replaces real meat, we won't have anything to fight against!</p></div></blockquote><p>People like this really don't care as much <i>what</i> their cause is, as long as they're perceived as fighting against <i>something</i>. They need to keep that underdog image at all costs. In order to retain their support, they have to put forth the illusion that they are making progress, but that the end goal is always far away. If a solution comes along that would help them significantly achieve that goal, they actively work to subvert it. Because if their goal is achieved, the game is over. These people don't want to win, they just want to keep playing the game. And stay employed, basically.</p><p>A surprising number of charities and non-profits work this way too, albeit generally to a lesser (or at least less obvious) degree.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought the same thing .
When I read this : " The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered .
It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust .
" " I mentally translated it to : Hey wait , if artificial meat ever replaces real meat , we wo n't have anything to fight against ! People like this really do n't care as much what their cause is , as long as they 're perceived as fighting against something .
They need to keep that underdog image at all costs .
In order to retain their support , they have to put forth the illusion that they are making progress , but that the end goal is always far away .
If a solution comes along that would help them significantly achieve that goal , they actively work to subvert it .
Because if their goal is achieved , the game is over .
These people do n't want to win , they just want to keep playing the game .
And stay employed , basically.A surprising number of charities and non-profits work this way too , albeit generally to a lesser ( or at least less obvious ) degree .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought the same thing.
When I read this:"The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered.
It would be very difficult to label and identify in a way that people would trust.
""I mentally translated it to:Hey wait, if artificial meat ever replaces real meat, we won't have anything to fight against!People like this really don't care as much what their cause is, as long as they're perceived as fighting against something.
They need to keep that underdog image at all costs.
In order to retain their support, they have to put forth the illusion that they are making progress, but that the end goal is always far away.
If a solution comes along that would help them significantly achieve that goal, they actively work to subvert it.
Because if their goal is achieved, the game is over.
These people don't want to win, they just want to keep playing the game.
And stay employed, basically.A surprising number of charities and non-profits work this way too, albeit generally to a lesser (or at least less obvious) degree.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276416</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259581920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't see how vegetarians pointing out that eating meat, either grown in a vat or grown on a farm, is anything different than basically what they're all about.  They're about not eating meat as a dietary/health issue, not about an animal rights issue.  Of course PETA would make a statement that would make you feel good and you'd agree with, because their concern is whether living animals are being slaughtered, and not necessarily whether or not you're healthier by not eating them.
<br> <br>
With your response, I assume that one side agreed with you, and one didn't, so you patted the one who agreed with you on the back, and stupidly stomped the other one for not agreeing with you.  And yes, I know it's<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/., but please, this shouldn't be all about YOU.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see how vegetarians pointing out that eating meat , either grown in a vat or grown on a farm , is anything different than basically what they 're all about .
They 're about not eating meat as a dietary/health issue , not about an animal rights issue .
Of course PETA would make a statement that would make you feel good and you 'd agree with , because their concern is whether living animals are being slaughtered , and not necessarily whether or not you 're healthier by not eating them .
With your response , I assume that one side agreed with you , and one did n't , so you patted the one who agreed with you on the back , and stupidly stomped the other one for not agreeing with you .
And yes , I know it 's /. , but please , this should n't be all about YOU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see how vegetarians pointing out that eating meat, either grown in a vat or grown on a farm, is anything different than basically what they're all about.
They're about not eating meat as a dietary/health issue, not about an animal rights issue.
Of course PETA would make a statement that would make you feel good and you'd agree with, because their concern is whether living animals are being slaughtered, and not necessarily whether or not you're healthier by not eating them.
With your response, I assume that one side agreed with you, and one didn't, so you patted the one who agreed with you on the back, and stupidly stomped the other one for not agreeing with you.
And yes, I know it's /., but please, this shouldn't be all about YOU.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30290658</id>
	<title>Re:vegetarians, jews, muslims, hindu extremism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259669940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In addition to what Grishnakh wrote, in my part of the world "Jews, muslims, hindus and others" aren't trying to get me to stop eating pork, shellfish, and so on.  That they choose to not eat certain things for religions reasons is entirely their choice, silly as it might be to me.  Let them choose, but only for themselves, not for others.</p><p>- T</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In addition to what Grishnakh wrote , in my part of the world " Jews , muslims , hindus and others " are n't trying to get me to stop eating pork , shellfish , and so on .
That they choose to not eat certain things for religions reasons is entirely their choice , silly as it might be to me .
Let them choose , but only for themselves , not for others.- T</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In addition to what Grishnakh wrote, in my part of the world "Jews, muslims, hindus and others" aren't trying to get me to stop eating pork, shellfish, and so on.
That they choose to not eat certain things for religions reasons is entirely their choice, silly as it might be to me.
Let them choose, but only for themselves, not for others.- T</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276310</id>
	<title>Tastes Like</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1259581620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tastes like chicken. Everything strange is supposed to taste like chicken.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tastes like chicken .
Everything strange is supposed to taste like chicken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tastes like chicken.
Everything strange is supposed to taste like chicken.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276234</id>
	<title>You try it</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1259581320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no one has yet tasted the artificial meat<br>You try it<br>I don't want to try it.<br>Hey, I know. Lets get Mickey to try it. He hates everything.<br>Sorry, but he died from eating pop rocks while drinking a coke.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no one has yet tasted the artificial meatYou try itI do n't want to try it.Hey , I know .
Lets get Mickey to try it .
He hates everything.Sorry , but he died from eating pop rocks while drinking a coke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no one has yet tasted the artificial meatYou try itI don't want to try it.Hey, I know.
Lets get Mickey to try it.
He hates everything.Sorry, but he died from eating pop rocks while drinking a coke.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275978</id>
	<title>SOYLENT RED IS PIG!!!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259580480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>now we can fill in the rest of the Soylent rainbow
<br> <br>
save me some Soylent Purple</htmltext>
<tokenext>now we can fill in the rest of the Soylent rainbow save me some Soylent Purple</tokentext>
<sentencetext>now we can fill in the rest of the Soylent rainbow
 
save me some Soylent Purple</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278070</id>
	<title>Assholes</title>
	<author>Lord Kano</author>
	<datestamp>1259590980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The "Vegetarian Society" remains skeptical... If there can be artificially grown meat, then there are no ethical issues with the consumption of that meat. Their skepticism is about their desire to dictate how other people should live.</p><p>LK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " Vegetarian Society " remains skeptical... If there can be artificially grown meat , then there are no ethical issues with the consumption of that meat .
Their skepticism is about their desire to dictate how other people should live.LK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "Vegetarian Society" remains skeptical... If there can be artificially grown meat, then there are no ethical issues with the consumption of that meat.
Their skepticism is about their desire to dictate how other people should live.LK</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277432</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>damianpeterson</author>
	<datestamp>1259586540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm with rm999 on this; thermodynamics doesn't really come into it. Sure, if you thought that they were saying that they could indefinitely grow meat without having to provide nutrients and energy but they're not claiming this.</p><p>I think that where the real saving will come in is that they'll be using nutrients and energy to grow just meat as opposed to hoofs, farts, skin, bones, mobility and so on.</p><p>I heard once that it takes something like 1000 units of plant matter to create 1 unit of meat. If we can produce meat for anything less than this and it is for all intents and purposes identical (if only in sausage or burger form) then I can't see how anyone can object. It ticks all the boxes for animal welfare people, environmentalists and economists. (Perhaps not for essentialists though).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm with rm999 on this ; thermodynamics does n't really come into it .
Sure , if you thought that they were saying that they could indefinitely grow meat without having to provide nutrients and energy but they 're not claiming this.I think that where the real saving will come in is that they 'll be using nutrients and energy to grow just meat as opposed to hoofs , farts , skin , bones , mobility and so on.I heard once that it takes something like 1000 units of plant matter to create 1 unit of meat .
If we can produce meat for anything less than this and it is for all intents and purposes identical ( if only in sausage or burger form ) then I ca n't see how anyone can object .
It ticks all the boxes for animal welfare people , environmentalists and economists .
( Perhaps not for essentialists though ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm with rm999 on this; thermodynamics doesn't really come into it.
Sure, if you thought that they were saying that they could indefinitely grow meat without having to provide nutrients and energy but they're not claiming this.I think that where the real saving will come in is that they'll be using nutrients and energy to grow just meat as opposed to hoofs, farts, skin, bones, mobility and so on.I heard once that it takes something like 1000 units of plant matter to create 1 unit of meat.
If we can produce meat for anything less than this and it is for all intents and purposes identical (if only in sausage or burger form) then I can't see how anyone can object.
It ticks all the boxes for animal welfare people, environmentalists and economists.
(Perhaps not for essentialists though).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30288814</id>
	<title>Ethical dilemma</title>
	<author>finitud</author>
	<datestamp>1259661720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So... would it be unethical to eat human meat if it has been cultivated?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So... would it be unethical to eat human meat if it has been cultivated ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... would it be unethical to eat human meat if it has been cultivated?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30282166</id>
	<title>Re:The question is about labeling?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259677320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People apparently trust Kosher labeling. What's to stop PETA or the ASPCA from creating a trademark-controlled symbol that means synthetic meat and only allowing manufacturers that allow PETA/ASPCA inspections to use it (eg exactly what Kosher does)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People apparently trust Kosher labeling .
What 's to stop PETA or the ASPCA from creating a trademark-controlled symbol that means synthetic meat and only allowing manufacturers that allow PETA/ASPCA inspections to use it ( eg exactly what Kosher does ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People apparently trust Kosher labeling.
What's to stop PETA or the ASPCA from creating a trademark-controlled symbol that means synthetic meat and only allowing manufacturers that allow PETA/ASPCA inspections to use it (eg exactly what Kosher does)?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275780</id>
	<title>The thought of it made me puke on my Big Mac</title>
	<author>Jackie\_Chan\_Fan</author>
	<datestamp>1259579760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks... now my yummy processed Big Mac that features several million different sources of "meat" is ruined.</p><p>This is disgusting.</p><p>One day it might happen, but keep you're liquid pig ass out of my bacon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks... now my yummy processed Big Mac that features several million different sources of " meat " is ruined.This is disgusting.One day it might happen , but keep you 're liquid pig ass out of my bacon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks... now my yummy processed Big Mac that features several million different sources of "meat" is ruined.This is disgusting.One day it might happen, but keep you're liquid pig ass out of my bacon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275860</id>
	<title>How is this news?</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1259580060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Making artificial meat? Man, my local fast food place has been doing this for decades.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Making artificial meat ?
Man , my local fast food place has been doing this for decades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Making artificial meat?
Man, my local fast food place has been doing this for decades.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276166</id>
	<title>Invest in the leather market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259581020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Leather is a byproduct of our meat consumption. The more cow we eat, the more leather is available to the market. Take the cow out of the equation, and leather will become a real luxury good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Leather is a byproduct of our meat consumption .
The more cow we eat , the more leather is available to the market .
Take the cow out of the equation , and leather will become a real luxury good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Leather is a byproduct of our meat consumption.
The more cow we eat, the more leather is available to the market.
Take the cow out of the equation, and leather will become a real luxury good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30280202</id>
	<title>This wouldn't be kosher</title>
	<author>DrStoooopid</author>
	<datestamp>1259698980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. It's pork</p><p>2. According to Kosherate dietary law, in order to remain Kosher, one can not eat the flesh procured from a living animal. (even if it was beef, lamb, goat, or "other")</p><p>So looks like farms are here to stay. Sorry PETA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
It 's pork2 .
According to Kosherate dietary law , in order to remain Kosher , one can not eat the flesh procured from a living animal .
( even if it was beef , lamb , goat , or " other " ) So looks like farms are here to stay .
Sorry PETA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
It's pork2.
According to Kosherate dietary law, in order to remain Kosher, one can not eat the flesh procured from a living animal.
(even if it was beef, lamb, goat, or "other")So looks like farms are here to stay.
Sorry PETA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275448</id>
	<title>Obligatory Transmetropolitan reference</title>
	<author>liquiddark</author>
	<datestamp>1259578680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like it's time to get in on the Long Pork market.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like it 's time to get in on the Long Pork market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like it's time to get in on the Long Pork market.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275884</id>
	<title>Call me a p3rv3rt...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259580120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The sustenance angle is all well and good; however, what I want to know is how long till the "real flesh" fleshlight?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The sustenance angle is all well and good ; however , what I want to know is how long till the " real flesh " fleshlight ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The sustenance angle is all well and good; however, what I want to know is how long till the "real flesh" fleshlight?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277042</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259584560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Calories that a meat animal eats go into its whole body--its skeleton, its brain, its organs, its metabolism, everything. Calories that go into making vat grown tissue are used only for the vat grown tissue. So while you will never get a 1:1 calories used:calories manufactured ratio, it will be a better deal than growing a whole animal.</p><p>We'll only grow the parts we need.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Calories that a meat animal eats go into its whole body--its skeleton , its brain , its organs , its metabolism , everything .
Calories that go into making vat grown tissue are used only for the vat grown tissue .
So while you will never get a 1 : 1 calories used : calories manufactured ratio , it will be a better deal than growing a whole animal.We 'll only grow the parts we need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Calories that a meat animal eats go into its whole body--its skeleton, its brain, its organs, its metabolism, everything.
Calories that go into making vat grown tissue are used only for the vat grown tissue.
So while you will never get a 1:1 calories used:calories manufactured ratio, it will be a better deal than growing a whole animal.We'll only grow the parts we need.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277124</id>
	<title>Re:Huh...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259584920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>1) I don't give a DAMN what PETA thinks, never did, never will. I'll slaughter a million kittens before I give even the first wit of anything those hypocritical bastards have to say.<br>2) Next stop on the food production evolution: Soylent Green, which I'm sure PETA is all for.</p></div><p>Nobody gives a damn about what some useless nerd on slashdot thinks either.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) I do n't give a DAMN what PETA thinks , never did , never will .
I 'll slaughter a million kittens before I give even the first wit of anything those hypocritical bastards have to say.2 ) Next stop on the food production evolution : Soylent Green , which I 'm sure PETA is all for.Nobody gives a damn about what some useless nerd on slashdot thinks either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) I don't give a DAMN what PETA thinks, never did, never will.
I'll slaughter a million kittens before I give even the first wit of anything those hypocritical bastards have to say.2) Next stop on the food production evolution: Soylent Green, which I'm sure PETA is all for.Nobody gives a damn about what some useless nerd on slashdot thinks either.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276268</id>
	<title>It's an animal 57!  Kibo was trying to warn us!</title>
	<author>andrewagill</author>
	<datestamp>1259581440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.kibo.com/exegesis/animal\_57.shtml" title="kibo.com" rel="nofollow">It looks like the fast food chains are already using the aquaria for Animal 57</a> [kibo.com]...</htmltext>
<tokenext>It looks like the fast food chains are already using the aquaria for Animal 57 [ kibo.com ] .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It looks like the fast food chains are already using the aquaria for Animal 57 [kibo.com]...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275458</id>
	<title>Original Sunday Times Article</title>
	<author>Issildur03</author>
	<datestamp>1259578680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6936352.ece?print=yes" title="timesonline.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6936352.ece?print=yes</a> [timesonline.co.uk]</p><p>"The cells were then incubated in a solution containing nutrients to encourage them to multiply indefinitely. This nutritious &ldquo;broth&rdquo; is derived from the blood products of animal foetuses, although the intention is to come up with a synthetic solution."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6936352.ece ? print = yes [ timesonline.co.uk ] " The cells were then incubated in a solution containing nutrients to encourage them to multiply indefinitely .
This nutritious    broth    is derived from the blood products of animal foetuses , although the intention is to come up with a synthetic solution .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article6936352.ece?print=yes [timesonline.co.uk]"The cells were then incubated in a solution containing nutrients to encourage them to multiply indefinitely.
This nutritious “broth” is derived from the blood products of animal foetuses, although the intention is to come up with a synthetic solution.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277656</id>
	<title>That cuts both ways</title>
	<author>nsayer</author>
	<datestamp>1259587800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughtered</p></div><p>I suspect more folks would think the labeling issue would be the opposite one - that they wouldn't want to be eating so-called "FrankenMeat." I suspect whoever has the ox to gore will be on the higher priced side of the equation. I imagine those desiring cow flesh over Soylent Red will find the former costs far less for some time to come, but when those two cost graphs cross...</p></div>
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<tokenext>The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughteredI suspect more folks would think the labeling issue would be the opposite one - that they would n't want to be eating so-called " FrankenMeat .
" I suspect whoever has the ox to gore will be on the higher priced side of the equation .
I imagine those desiring cow flesh over Soylent Red will find the former costs far less for some time to come , but when those two cost graphs cross.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The big question is how could you guarantee you were eating artificial flesh rather than flesh from an animal that had been slaughteredI suspect more folks would think the labeling issue would be the opposite one - that they wouldn't want to be eating so-called "FrankenMeat.
" I suspect whoever has the ox to gore will be on the higher priced side of the equation.
I imagine those desiring cow flesh over Soylent Red will find the former costs far less for some time to come, but when those two cost graphs cross...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275642</id>
	<title>Varley's meat trees...</title>
	<author>thered2001</author>
	<datestamp>1259579340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...can't be too far off. Let's hope he isn't right about the Invaders.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...ca n't be too far off .
Let 's hope he is n't right about the Invaders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...can't be too far off.
Let's hope he isn't right about the Invaders.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30281272</id>
	<title>For fans of 2000AD</title>
	<author>'Tractor' Barry</author>
	<datestamp>1259667300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For fans of the Galaxys greatest comic (2000AD) this brings the famous hottie tree one step closer to reality<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Zarjaz news indeed !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For fans of the Galaxys greatest comic ( 2000AD ) this brings the famous hottie tree one step closer to reality : ) Zarjaz news indeed !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For fans of the Galaxys greatest comic (2000AD) this brings the famous hottie tree one step closer to reality :)Zarjaz news indeed !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275810</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259579940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It's quite possible that we could end up with an industry that is capable of producing flawless cuts of synthetic meat that cost much more than slaughtering the real thing.</i></p><p>Don't you mean "much less"?  It seems to me that producing meat in a factory, once the production processes are fine-tuned and volume increased, will cost far LESS than growing real animals.  Less energy would be needed (you wouldn't have to grow a lot of food to feed animals), and the meat would be produced far more quickly, and most importantly, far less labor would be needed: no cowboys, farm hands, etc.</p><p>Just like using mechanized agricultural equipment is far cheaper and more efficient than using slaves in farming, producing meat in factories promises to be cheaper and more efficient, and as a by-product, eliminating animal suffering as well.</p><p>Also importantly, it'd be possible to create many types of meat cheaply that currently are very expensive due to small supply: filet minion cuts of beef, copper river salmon, veal, Kobe beef, etc.  Think about how little filet minion there is per cow versus all the other cuts (and the waste products); never again would people have to eat "stew beef", as everyone could have filet minion, since it probably wouldn't cost any more to make than a synthetic version of a cheaper cut.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's quite possible that we could end up with an industry that is capable of producing flawless cuts of synthetic meat that cost much more than slaughtering the real thing.Do n't you mean " much less " ?
It seems to me that producing meat in a factory , once the production processes are fine-tuned and volume increased , will cost far LESS than growing real animals .
Less energy would be needed ( you would n't have to grow a lot of food to feed animals ) , and the meat would be produced far more quickly , and most importantly , far less labor would be needed : no cowboys , farm hands , etc.Just like using mechanized agricultural equipment is far cheaper and more efficient than using slaves in farming , producing meat in factories promises to be cheaper and more efficient , and as a by-product , eliminating animal suffering as well.Also importantly , it 'd be possible to create many types of meat cheaply that currently are very expensive due to small supply : filet minion cuts of beef , copper river salmon , veal , Kobe beef , etc .
Think about how little filet minion there is per cow versus all the other cuts ( and the waste products ) ; never again would people have to eat " stew beef " , as everyone could have filet minion , since it probably would n't cost any more to make than a synthetic version of a cheaper cut .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's quite possible that we could end up with an industry that is capable of producing flawless cuts of synthetic meat that cost much more than slaughtering the real thing.Don't you mean "much less"?
It seems to me that producing meat in a factory, once the production processes are fine-tuned and volume increased, will cost far LESS than growing real animals.
Less energy would be needed (you wouldn't have to grow a lot of food to feed animals), and the meat would be produced far more quickly, and most importantly, far less labor would be needed: no cowboys, farm hands, etc.Just like using mechanized agricultural equipment is far cheaper and more efficient than using slaves in farming, producing meat in factories promises to be cheaper and more efficient, and as a by-product, eliminating animal suffering as well.Also importantly, it'd be possible to create many types of meat cheaply that currently are very expensive due to small supply: filet minion cuts of beef, copper river salmon, veal, Kobe beef, etc.
Think about how little filet minion there is per cow versus all the other cuts (and the waste products); never again would people have to eat "stew beef", as everyone could have filet minion, since it probably wouldn't cost any more to make than a synthetic version of a cheaper cut.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275666</id>
	<title>Better Off Ted</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259579460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Described as soggy pork, researchers believe that it can be turned into something like steak if they can find a way to 'exercise' the muscle</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better\_Off\_Ted" title="wikipedia.org">Better Off Ted</a> [wikipedia.org]
Episode 2: "Heroes":  Phil and Lem, of <a href="http://veridiandynamics.com/" title="veridiandynamics.com">Veridian Dynamics</a> [veridiandynamics.com], try to grow cow-less meat...  Reportedly, the meat currently tastes like "despair".
</p><p>
<b>Veridian Dynamics.</b> We're the future of food, developing the next generation of food and food-like products. Tomatoes... the size of this baby, lemon-flavored fish, chicken that lay 16 eggs a day, which is a lot for a chicken, organic vegetables chock-full of antidepressants. At Veridian Dynamics, we can even make radishes so spicy that people can't eat them, but we're not, because people can't eat them. Veridian Dynamics. Food. Yum.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Described as soggy pork , researchers believe that it can be turned into something like steak if they can find a way to 'exercise ' the muscle Better Off Ted [ wikipedia.org ] Episode 2 : " Heroes " : Phil and Lem , of Veridian Dynamics [ veridiandynamics.com ] , try to grow cow-less meat... Reportedly , the meat currently tastes like " despair " .
Veridian Dynamics .
We 're the future of food , developing the next generation of food and food-like products .
Tomatoes... the size of this baby , lemon-flavored fish , chicken that lay 16 eggs a day , which is a lot for a chicken , organic vegetables chock-full of antidepressants .
At Veridian Dynamics , we can even make radishes so spicy that people ca n't eat them , but we 're not , because people ca n't eat them .
Veridian Dynamics .
Food. Yum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Described as soggy pork, researchers believe that it can be turned into something like steak if they can find a way to 'exercise' the muscle

Better Off Ted [wikipedia.org]
Episode 2: "Heroes":  Phil and Lem, of Veridian Dynamics [veridiandynamics.com], try to grow cow-less meat...  Reportedly, the meat currently tastes like "despair".
Veridian Dynamics.
We're the future of food, developing the next generation of food and food-like products.
Tomatoes... the size of this baby, lemon-flavored fish, chicken that lay 16 eggs a day, which is a lot for a chicken, organic vegetables chock-full of antidepressants.
At Veridian Dynamics, we can even make radishes so spicy that people can't eat them, but we're not, because people can't eat them.
Veridian Dynamics.
Food. Yum.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277756</id>
	<title>Re:Huh...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259588580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'll slaughter a million kittens before I give even the first wit of anything those hypocritical bastards have to say.</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.petakillsanimals.com/" title="petakillsanimals.com" rel="nofollow">Try 21,339.</a> [petakillsanimals.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll slaughter a million kittens before I give even the first wit of anything those hypocritical bastards have to say .
Try 21,339 .
[ petakillsanimals.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll slaughter a million kittens before I give even the first wit of anything those hypocritical bastards have to say.
Try 21,339.
[petakillsanimals.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30281058</id>
	<title>mmmm Soylent Green</title>
	<author>Have Brain Will Rent</author>
	<datestamp>1259665080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And there'd be an unlimited supply of Soylent Green! I can see the advertising now "Soylent Green <b>ISN'T</b> people, it just tastes like it is!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>And there 'd be an unlimited supply of Soylent Green !
I can see the advertising now " Soylent Green IS N'T people , it just tastes like it is !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And there'd be an unlimited supply of Soylent Green!
I can see the advertising now "Soylent Green ISN'T people, it just tastes like it is!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275560</id>
	<title>Where's the line?</title>
	<author>machinelou</author>
	<datestamp>1259578980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Honestly, I don't get PITA's position. It's no longer part of an animal because...? Maybe because it doesn't have nerve cells that fire given "painful" stimulation? What if it does? Who's going to care about the poor little piece of meat that has to exercise all day long and experience the burn of its own lactic acid until some fat 'Merican orders it super-sized? Or maybe it's not part of an animal because there's no "brain" for the signals to reach? If that's the case, we should genetically construct brainless cows and have them running off arduinos instead. Does someone have a script for chewing I can download? But, surely someone would protest that. If only those who prefer PIC over ATMEL.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , I do n't get PITA 's position .
It 's no longer part of an animal because... ?
Maybe because it does n't have nerve cells that fire given " painful " stimulation ?
What if it does ?
Who 's going to care about the poor little piece of meat that has to exercise all day long and experience the burn of its own lactic acid until some fat 'Merican orders it super-sized ?
Or maybe it 's not part of an animal because there 's no " brain " for the signals to reach ?
If that 's the case , we should genetically construct brainless cows and have them running off arduinos instead .
Does someone have a script for chewing I can download ?
But , surely someone would protest that .
If only those who prefer PIC over ATMEL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, I don't get PITA's position.
It's no longer part of an animal because...?
Maybe because it doesn't have nerve cells that fire given "painful" stimulation?
What if it does?
Who's going to care about the poor little piece of meat that has to exercise all day long and experience the burn of its own lactic acid until some fat 'Merican orders it super-sized?
Or maybe it's not part of an animal because there's no "brain" for the signals to reach?
If that's the case, we should genetically construct brainless cows and have them running off arduinos instead.
Does someone have a script for chewing I can download?
But, surely someone would protest that.
If only those who prefer PIC over ATMEL.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30280166</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>nleaf</author>
	<datestamp>1259698320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree with the gist of your comment, but I have to nit-pick a little. Calories are a unit of measurement for energy. The use of the unit for food energy is ubiquitous nowadays, but the original definition had nothing to do with food.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with the gist of your comment , but I have to nit-pick a little .
Calories are a unit of measurement for energy .
The use of the unit for food energy is ubiquitous nowadays , but the original definition had nothing to do with food .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with the gist of your comment, but I have to nit-pick a little.
Calories are a unit of measurement for energy.
The use of the unit for food energy is ubiquitous nowadays, but the original definition had nothing to do with food.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277168</id>
	<title>Interesting but . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259585160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An interesting philosophical and ethical question here. If I were to do this with human cells and grill and eat the meat, would I be committing cannibalism?</p><p>Seriously, vatflesh has been talked about in science fiction for decades. It's interesting to see it's finally becoming real.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An interesting philosophical and ethical question here .
If I were to do this with human cells and grill and eat the meat , would I be committing cannibalism ? Seriously , vatflesh has been talked about in science fiction for decades .
It 's interesting to see it 's finally becoming real .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An interesting philosophical and ethical question here.
If I were to do this with human cells and grill and eat the meat, would I be committing cannibalism?Seriously, vatflesh has been talked about in science fiction for decades.
It's interesting to see it's finally becoming real.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30280322</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259700480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PETA, along with other organizations that are actually sane, are completely fine with that.  Fewer animals like cows would be fantastic.  Yes, the current generations will be slaughtered as usual, and then there will be fewer bred to suffer in a factory farm next generation.  "Being stuck on a farm" does not mean what you think it means.  Look up the conditions these animals live in, if you can even call it a life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PETA , along with other organizations that are actually sane , are completely fine with that .
Fewer animals like cows would be fantastic .
Yes , the current generations will be slaughtered as usual , and then there will be fewer bred to suffer in a factory farm next generation .
" Being stuck on a farm " does not mean what you think it means .
Look up the conditions these animals live in , if you can even call it a life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PETA, along with other organizations that are actually sane, are completely fine with that.
Fewer animals like cows would be fantastic.
Yes, the current generations will be slaughtered as usual, and then there will be fewer bred to suffer in a factory farm next generation.
"Being stuck on a farm" does not mean what you think it means.
Look up the conditions these animals live in, if you can even call it a life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30313540</id>
	<title>This is doomed to failure --</title>
	<author>dwiget001</author>
	<datestamp>1259867520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>-- as this "meat" will have to be exercised in some fashion to make it more "meat-like".</p><p>So, how are we going to accomplish this?</p><p>Have specially designed undergarments? You strap this synthetic meat to it, go to work, then at lunch, go to the bathroom and pull your meat out -- wait a minute....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>-- as this " meat " will have to be exercised in some fashion to make it more " meat-like " .So , how are we going to accomplish this ? Have specially designed undergarments ?
You strap this synthetic meat to it , go to work , then at lunch , go to the bathroom and pull your meat out -- wait a minute... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-- as this "meat" will have to be exercised in some fashion to make it more "meat-like".So, how are we going to accomplish this?Have specially designed undergarments?
You strap this synthetic meat to it, go to work, then at lunch, go to the bathroom and pull your meat out -- wait a minute....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277598</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>minion</author>
	<datestamp>1259587560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>as everyone could have filet minion</i> </p></div><p>Yes, I do think it would be quite nice to have a filet minion. He could cut up all the meat into edible pieces!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>as everyone could have filet minion Yes , I do think it would be quite nice to have a filet minion .
He could cut up all the meat into edible pieces !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> as everyone could have filet minion Yes, I do think it would be quite nice to have a filet minion.
He could cut up all the meat into edible pieces!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30288706</id>
	<title>Re:So... is it KOSHER?</title>
	<author>Cedric Tsui</author>
	<datestamp>1259661300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Huge vats of meat do not have cloven hooves nor do they chew their cud. Alas!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Huge vats of meat do not have cloven hooves nor do they chew their cud .
Alas !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huge vats of meat do not have cloven hooves nor do they chew their cud.
Alas!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30283836</id>
	<title>Soylent Green! Its PEOPLE!</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1259685720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, so lets say we clone human meat... would that still constitute cannibalism, even though no actual humans are involved or harmed?</p><p>What about specific flavors, like that jerk Steve in accounting?</p><p>Ya ya, I know, disturbing I am.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , so lets say we clone human meat... would that still constitute cannibalism , even though no actual humans are involved or harmed ? What about specific flavors , like that jerk Steve in accounting ? Ya ya , I know , disturbing I am .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, so lets say we clone human meat... would that still constitute cannibalism, even though no actual humans are involved or harmed?What about specific flavors, like that jerk Steve in accounting?Ya ya, I know, disturbing I am.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275920</id>
	<title>Not so fast...</title>
	<author>nilbog</author>
	<datestamp>1259580240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not skeptical of the story, but I am skeptical that PETA won't have something to say about it if and when this hits production.  This has the possibility of being revolutionary to the way we eat.  If we don't have to wait for actual animals to grow, and can grow only the good parts without wasting money on all the unnecessary parts, we can grow meat faster and cheaper that would also be better (just clone the best animal to begin with!)</p><p>I will be the first in line to eat cloned meat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not skeptical of the story , but I am skeptical that PETA wo n't have something to say about it if and when this hits production .
This has the possibility of being revolutionary to the way we eat .
If we do n't have to wait for actual animals to grow , and can grow only the good parts without wasting money on all the unnecessary parts , we can grow meat faster and cheaper that would also be better ( just clone the best animal to begin with !
) I will be the first in line to eat cloned meat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not skeptical of the story, but I am skeptical that PETA won't have something to say about it if and when this hits production.
This has the possibility of being revolutionary to the way we eat.
If we don't have to wait for actual animals to grow, and can grow only the good parts without wasting money on all the unnecessary parts, we can grow meat faster and cheaper that would also be better (just clone the best animal to begin with!
)I will be the first in line to eat cloned meat.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276786</id>
	<title>Re:Tasteless</title>
	<author>Toze</author>
	<datestamp>1259583420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I put to you that a fast-food chain, given the option to guarantee a steady supply of meat of identical quality, unaffected by drought and not "fed" (and therefore not really susceptible to BSE/etc), that takes less than two years to produce, whose cost is unaffected by fluctuations in the international grain or corn market, is likely to make the investment the second the twenty-year costs come even. I also put to you that fast food chain's burgers are flavoured less by meat and more by seasoning. As someone whose family already sold their beef ranch, and who consumes a lot of beef, I think this is a fantastic idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I put to you that a fast-food chain , given the option to guarantee a steady supply of meat of identical quality , unaffected by drought and not " fed " ( and therefore not really susceptible to BSE/etc ) , that takes less than two years to produce , whose cost is unaffected by fluctuations in the international grain or corn market , is likely to make the investment the second the twenty-year costs come even .
I also put to you that fast food chain 's burgers are flavoured less by meat and more by seasoning .
As someone whose family already sold their beef ranch , and who consumes a lot of beef , I think this is a fantastic idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I put to you that a fast-food chain, given the option to guarantee a steady supply of meat of identical quality, unaffected by drought and not "fed" (and therefore not really susceptible to BSE/etc), that takes less than two years to produce, whose cost is unaffected by fluctuations in the international grain or corn market, is likely to make the investment the second the twenty-year costs come even.
I also put to you that fast food chain's burgers are flavoured less by meat and more by seasoning.
As someone whose family already sold their beef ranch, and who consumes a lot of beef, I think this is a fantastic idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30282952</id>
	<title>Re:Economic Viability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259681940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If we no longer needed them, what does PETA think we should do, release them to the wild they are no longer capable of living in after millennia of domestication?</i></p><p>Huh? Obviously they would just decline in numbers over time as artificial meat became popular and less 'real animals' were bred.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If we no longer needed them , what does PETA think we should do , release them to the wild they are no longer capable of living in after millennia of domestication ? Huh ?
Obviously they would just decline in numbers over time as artificial meat became popular and less 'real animals ' were bred .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we no longer needed them, what does PETA think we should do, release them to the wild they are no longer capable of living in after millennia of domestication?Huh?
Obviously they would just decline in numbers over time as artificial meat became popular and less 'real animals' were bred.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277336</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259586060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>For once, they make a rational and decent statement! This is a big improvement over their stupid tirade about Obama swatting a housefly.</i></p><p>That's up there with MADD complaining about Obama sitting down &amp; having a beer with Henry Gates, Joe Biden, and James Crowley. No, really, they did:</p><p><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/53349-update-beer-summit-sparks-fight-between-madd-restaurant-group" title="thehill.com" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/53349-update-beer-summit-sparks-fight-between-madd-restaurant-group</a> [thehill.com]</p><p>MADD stopped long ago being an anti-drinking &amp; driving group and is now just an anti-drinking group.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For once , they make a rational and decent statement !
This is a big improvement over their stupid tirade about Obama swatting a housefly.That 's up there with MADD complaining about Obama sitting down &amp; having a beer with Henry Gates , Joe Biden , and James Crowley .
No , really , they did : http : //thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/53349-update-beer-summit-sparks-fight-between-madd-restaurant-group [ thehill.com ] MADD stopped long ago being an anti-drinking &amp; driving group and is now just an anti-drinking group .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For once, they make a rational and decent statement!
This is a big improvement over their stupid tirade about Obama swatting a housefly.That's up there with MADD complaining about Obama sitting down &amp; having a beer with Henry Gates, Joe Biden, and James Crowley.
No, really, they did:http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/53349-update-beer-summit-sparks-fight-between-madd-restaurant-group [thehill.com]MADD stopped long ago being an anti-drinking &amp; driving group and is now just an anti-drinking group.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275476</id>
	<title>...What?</title>
	<author>Judinous</author>
	<datestamp>1259578740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Difficult to label and identify in a way that people could trust"?  Simply putting a term like "made from artificially-grown flesh", or whatever they decide to call it, on the label would constitute an express warranty.  If that warranty is breached (by including regular meat), the customers can sue (and win).  What's their complaint, here?  Do they just have a total ignorance of basic business law?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Difficult to label and identify in a way that people could trust " ?
Simply putting a term like " made from artificially-grown flesh " , or whatever they decide to call it , on the label would constitute an express warranty .
If that warranty is breached ( by including regular meat ) , the customers can sue ( and win ) .
What 's their complaint , here ?
Do they just have a total ignorance of basic business law ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Difficult to label and identify in a way that people could trust"?
Simply putting a term like "made from artificially-grown flesh", or whatever they decide to call it, on the label would constitute an express warranty.
If that warranty is breached (by including regular meat), the customers can sue (and win).
What's their complaint, here?
Do they just have a total ignorance of basic business law?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277322</id>
	<title>Re:Law of thermodynamics violation?</title>
	<author>ajlisows</author>
	<datestamp>1259585940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think this needs to violate thermodynamics.  Think of it this way.  Baby Cow comes out.  He is not ready for slaughtering and eating and will not be for quite a few years.  During that time, you are going to have to provide the raw materials and calories (via foods and other nutrients...which also require energy to grow) so that the Cow can grow up and do its thing.  The bummer part here is that the cow is going to do things to make sure you do not get a 1:1 exchange for the energy put in.  He'll walk around, he'll breathe, his body will produce heat so he doesn't die, he'll grow liver cells, kidney cells, bladder cells, muscle cells in areas that don't produce great cuts of meat (the tail, for example).  He'll even waste some of that energy chewing the food.  When it is time for your cow to make the final journey to your plate, there will be energy expended moving him and cutting him up in a way that is consistent with how we want to eat it.</p><p>With fake meat, you aren't going to lose energy through all those annoying processes like breathing, producing heat, and growing/maintaining vital organs.  The big question comes in how much energy will need to be used to train the meat to have the toughness of actual muscle.  Assuming that process uses roughly the same amount of energy as a live cow training his muscle, you are up at least the energy used to maintain the cow's life, which is probably a very significant amount.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think this needs to violate thermodynamics .
Think of it this way .
Baby Cow comes out .
He is not ready for slaughtering and eating and will not be for quite a few years .
During that time , you are going to have to provide the raw materials and calories ( via foods and other nutrients...which also require energy to grow ) so that the Cow can grow up and do its thing .
The bummer part here is that the cow is going to do things to make sure you do not get a 1 : 1 exchange for the energy put in .
He 'll walk around , he 'll breathe , his body will produce heat so he does n't die , he 'll grow liver cells , kidney cells , bladder cells , muscle cells in areas that do n't produce great cuts of meat ( the tail , for example ) .
He 'll even waste some of that energy chewing the food .
When it is time for your cow to make the final journey to your plate , there will be energy expended moving him and cutting him up in a way that is consistent with how we want to eat it.With fake meat , you are n't going to lose energy through all those annoying processes like breathing , producing heat , and growing/maintaining vital organs .
The big question comes in how much energy will need to be used to train the meat to have the toughness of actual muscle .
Assuming that process uses roughly the same amount of energy as a live cow training his muscle , you are up at least the energy used to maintain the cow 's life , which is probably a very significant amount .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think this needs to violate thermodynamics.
Think of it this way.
Baby Cow comes out.
He is not ready for slaughtering and eating and will not be for quite a few years.
During that time, you are going to have to provide the raw materials and calories (via foods and other nutrients...which also require energy to grow) so that the Cow can grow up and do its thing.
The bummer part here is that the cow is going to do things to make sure you do not get a 1:1 exchange for the energy put in.
He'll walk around, he'll breathe, his body will produce heat so he doesn't die, he'll grow liver cells, kidney cells, bladder cells, muscle cells in areas that don't produce great cuts of meat (the tail, for example).
He'll even waste some of that energy chewing the food.
When it is time for your cow to make the final journey to your plate, there will be energy expended moving him and cutting him up in a way that is consistent with how we want to eat it.With fake meat, you aren't going to lose energy through all those annoying processes like breathing, producing heat, and growing/maintaining vital organs.
The big question comes in how much energy will need to be used to train the meat to have the toughness of actual muscle.
Assuming that process uses roughly the same amount of energy as a live cow training his muscle, you are up at least the energy used to maintain the cow's life, which is probably a very significant amount.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30280320</id>
	<title>Re:Weird thought</title>
	<author>rastos1</author>
	<datestamp>1259700480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Once this working, how soon will we see one of the processors start growing human cells? Seriously, it seems like Germany and other countries (including America) have a fetish these days for cannibalism.</p></div> </blockquote><p>

You think about growing human muscles in relation to cannibalism? I think about curing <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular\_dystrophy" title="wikipedia.org">muscular dystrophy</a> [wikipedia.org]. Now that would be revolutionary.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once this working , how soon will we see one of the processors start growing human cells ?
Seriously , it seems like Germany and other countries ( including America ) have a fetish these days for cannibalism .
You think about growing human muscles in relation to cannibalism ?
I think about curing muscular dystrophy [ wikipedia.org ] .
Now that would be revolutionary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once this working, how soon will we see one of the processors start growing human cells?
Seriously, it seems like Germany and other countries (including America) have a fetish these days for cannibalism.
You think about growing human muscles in relation to cannibalism?
I think about curing muscular dystrophy [wikipedia.org].
Now that would be revolutionary.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278338</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Tekfactory</author>
	<datestamp>1259593320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As I saw once somewhere else on the Internets, you better cook the hell out of it.</p><p>You think we have to go to great lengths to keep Mad Cow disease and E-Coli from infecting us, vat grown human meat could carry all the normal human diseases, making it very easy for you to catch something from consuming it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As I saw once somewhere else on the Internets , you better cook the hell out of it.You think we have to go to great lengths to keep Mad Cow disease and E-Coli from infecting us , vat grown human meat could carry all the normal human diseases , making it very easy for you to catch something from consuming it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I saw once somewhere else on the Internets, you better cook the hell out of it.You think we have to go to great lengths to keep Mad Cow disease and E-Coli from infecting us, vat grown human meat could carry all the normal human diseases, making it very easy for you to catch something from consuming it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276316</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>wickerprints</author>
	<datestamp>1259581620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish I had mod points because you're absolutely right.  What's telling, though, is that each group's respective positions can be seen as a direct and logical consequence of their core principles.</p><p>The statement by the Vegetarian Society only underscores their true position, which is that they believe humans aren't supposed to eat anything but plants.  Their real agenda is against anything that might even have the appearance of meat, because accepting the legitimacy of artificial meat takes away one of their core beliefs--that a diet devoid of animal protein is nutritionally complete.</p><p>PETA, on the other hand, is about anthropomorphizing animals--it is about granting animals the same rights to existence and freedom from suffering as humans (never mind the fact that animals inflict violence upon each other, most animals aren't even biologically capable of sentience, and we humans probably endure far more suffering as a species than any other animal).  Any development that permits animals to not feel suffering at the hands of humans is a welcome one.</p><p>In short, for one group, it's about us humans and our conceited notions of what constitutes food.  For the other group, it has nothing to do with us; it's all about the animals.  In both cases, it's taking a seed of truth and growing it into a grotesque tree watered by warped thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish I had mod points because you 're absolutely right .
What 's telling , though , is that each group 's respective positions can be seen as a direct and logical consequence of their core principles.The statement by the Vegetarian Society only underscores their true position , which is that they believe humans are n't supposed to eat anything but plants .
Their real agenda is against anything that might even have the appearance of meat , because accepting the legitimacy of artificial meat takes away one of their core beliefs--that a diet devoid of animal protein is nutritionally complete.PETA , on the other hand , is about anthropomorphizing animals--it is about granting animals the same rights to existence and freedom from suffering as humans ( never mind the fact that animals inflict violence upon each other , most animals are n't even biologically capable of sentience , and we humans probably endure far more suffering as a species than any other animal ) .
Any development that permits animals to not feel suffering at the hands of humans is a welcome one.In short , for one group , it 's about us humans and our conceited notions of what constitutes food .
For the other group , it has nothing to do with us ; it 's all about the animals .
In both cases , it 's taking a seed of truth and growing it into a grotesque tree watered by warped thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish I had mod points because you're absolutely right.
What's telling, though, is that each group's respective positions can be seen as a direct and logical consequence of their core principles.The statement by the Vegetarian Society only underscores their true position, which is that they believe humans aren't supposed to eat anything but plants.
Their real agenda is against anything that might even have the appearance of meat, because accepting the legitimacy of artificial meat takes away one of their core beliefs--that a diet devoid of animal protein is nutritionally complete.PETA, on the other hand, is about anthropomorphizing animals--it is about granting animals the same rights to existence and freedom from suffering as humans (never mind the fact that animals inflict violence upon each other, most animals aren't even biologically capable of sentience, and we humans probably endure far more suffering as a species than any other animal).
Any development that permits animals to not feel suffering at the hands of humans is a welcome one.In short, for one group, it's about us humans and our conceited notions of what constitutes food.
For the other group, it has nothing to do with us; it's all about the animals.
In both cases, it's taking a seed of truth and growing it into a grotesque tree watered by warped thinking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276532</id>
	<title>Re:Soggy Meat?</title>
	<author>PieSquared</author>
	<datestamp>1259582340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wrong question. That question isn't clever. It isn't profound. It certainly isn't 'insightful'. It's arrogant pedantry. <a href="http://xkcd.com/169/" title="xkcd.com">http://xkcd.com/169/</a> [xkcd.com] <br>
<br>
The correct question is:<br>
<br>
<b>If it was made from grown human cells, would it be wrong in the way that cannibalism - as we understand it today - is wrong?</b> <br>
<br>
And the answer would be an unequivocal "no".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong question .
That question is n't clever .
It is n't profound .
It certainly is n't 'insightful' .
It 's arrogant pedantry .
http : //xkcd.com/169/ [ xkcd.com ] The correct question is : If it was made from grown human cells , would it be wrong in the way that cannibalism - as we understand it today - is wrong ?
And the answer would be an unequivocal " no " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong question.
That question isn't clever.
It isn't profound.
It certainly isn't 'insightful'.
It's arrogant pedantry.
http://xkcd.com/169/ [xkcd.com] 

The correct question is:

If it was made from grown human cells, would it be wrong in the way that cannibalism - as we understand it today - is wrong?
And the answer would be an unequivocal "no".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276728</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259583180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't you mean "much less"?  It seems to me that producing meat in a factory, once the production processes are fine-tuned and volume increased, will cost far LESS than growing real animals.  Less energy would be needed (you wouldn't have to grow a lot of food to feed animals), and the meat would be produced far more quickly, and most importantly, far less labor would be needed: no cowboys, farm hands, etc.</p></div><p>That's what the alchemists said about gold.  And wouldn't you know it, we're STILL digging it out of the ground.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you mean " much less " ?
It seems to me that producing meat in a factory , once the production processes are fine-tuned and volume increased , will cost far LESS than growing real animals .
Less energy would be needed ( you would n't have to grow a lot of food to feed animals ) , and the meat would be produced far more quickly , and most importantly , far less labor would be needed : no cowboys , farm hands , etc.That 's what the alchemists said about gold .
And would n't you know it , we 're STILL digging it out of the ground .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you mean "much less"?
It seems to me that producing meat in a factory, once the production processes are fine-tuned and volume increased, will cost far LESS than growing real animals.
Less energy would be needed (you wouldn't have to grow a lot of food to feed animals), and the meat would be produced far more quickly, and most importantly, far less labor would be needed: no cowboys, farm hands, etc.That's what the alchemists said about gold.
And wouldn't you know it, we're STILL digging it out of the ground.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30281998</id>
	<title>NASA already did..</title>
	<author>kickedfortrolling</author>
	<datestamp>1259675520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, it all started in 1962... Utilizing advances in modern food synthesis, scientists at NASA began work on a germ hostile space meat to be used into long expeditions in deep space! Only recently has their hard work paid off. As even more advances in the field of space meat have been made and applied to what is now known as operation meat. Seeing this as a way to end their streak of being sued by angry costumers poisoned by their burgers, the Mac Meaties corporation decided to try this miraculous space meat. Not having access to that technology, we make ours out of napkins.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it all started in 1962... Utilizing advances in modern food synthesis , scientists at NASA began work on a germ hostile space meat to be used into long expeditions in deep space !
Only recently has their hard work paid off .
As even more advances in the field of space meat have been made and applied to what is now known as operation meat .
Seeing this as a way to end their streak of being sued by angry costumers poisoned by their burgers , the Mac Meaties corporation decided to try this miraculous space meat .
Not having access to that technology , we make ours out of napkins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it all started in 1962... Utilizing advances in modern food synthesis, scientists at NASA began work on a germ hostile space meat to be used into long expeditions in deep space!
Only recently has their hard work paid off.
As even more advances in the field of space meat have been made and applied to what is now known as operation meat.
Seeing this as a way to end their streak of being sued by angry costumers poisoned by their burgers, the Mac Meaties corporation decided to try this miraculous space meat.
Not having access to that technology, we make ours out of napkins.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276010</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>scheveningen</author>
	<datestamp>1259580540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Restaurant at the End of the Universe had a better solution... <a href="http://www.sci.fi/~huuhilo/dna2.html" title="www.sci.fi" rel="nofollow">http://www.sci.fi/~huuhilo/dna2.html</a> [www.sci.fi]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Restaurant at the End of the Universe had a better solution... http : //www.sci.fi/ ~ huuhilo/dna2.html [ www.sci.fi ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Restaurant at the End of the Universe had a better solution... http://www.sci.fi/~huuhilo/dna2.html [www.sci.fi]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30275786</id>
	<title>Re:Backfire on PETA</title>
	<author>General Wesc</author>
	<datestamp>1259579820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>No, we'll slaughter the livestock we have as we transition to the new method</p></div> </blockquote><p>Kill current livestock v. kill current livestock after breeding them so we can kill more in the future.</p><p>How is PETA wrong in choosing the former, again?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , we 'll slaughter the livestock we have as we transition to the new method Kill current livestock v. kill current livestock after breeding them so we can kill more in the future.How is PETA wrong in choosing the former , again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, we'll slaughter the livestock we have as we transition to the new method Kill current livestock v. kill current livestock after breeding them so we can kill more in the future.How is PETA wrong in choosing the former, again?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30276982</id>
	<title>McRib</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259584320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This explains the return of the McRib.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This explains the return of the McRib .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This explains the return of the McRib.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278924</id>
	<title>Economic Viability</title>
	<author>kabome</author>
	<datestamp>1259598420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If this ever became economically viable (and mass socially acceptable) it would cause the virtual extinction of farmed animals as we know them. (Chickens, cows and pigs enjoy vast population numbers, even if poor lifestyle, due to human consumption).

If we no longer needed them, what does PETA think we should do, release them to the wild they are no longer capable of living in after millennia of domestication?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If this ever became economically viable ( and mass socially acceptable ) it would cause the virtual extinction of farmed animals as we know them .
( Chickens , cows and pigs enjoy vast population numbers , even if poor lifestyle , due to human consumption ) .
If we no longer needed them , what does PETA think we should do , release them to the wild they are no longer capable of living in after millennia of domestication ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this ever became economically viable (and mass socially acceptable) it would cause the virtual extinction of farmed animals as we know them.
(Chickens, cows and pigs enjoy vast population numbers, even if poor lifestyle, due to human consumption).
If we no longer needed them, what does PETA think we should do, release them to the wild they are no longer capable of living in after millennia of domestication?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30278482</id>
	<title>Re:Cheers for PETA</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1259595060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>-Why is it so difficult to find good cheese in America? I'd pay extra for that.</i></p><p>Go to your nearest Whole Foods market.  They have all kinds of cheeses from Europe; cow's milk cheeses, sheep's milk, goat's milk, raw milk, etc.</p><p>There's almost nothing you can't get in America that you can get in Europe or anywhere else.  It's just not going to be at your typical Safeway (or whatever your average local grocery store is).  Asian supermarkets are also great places to find stuff you don't normally get at Safeway.  Of course, to find places like Asian supermarkets and Whole Foods, you need to be in or near a large city.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>-Why is it so difficult to find good cheese in America ?
I 'd pay extra for that.Go to your nearest Whole Foods market .
They have all kinds of cheeses from Europe ; cow 's milk cheeses , sheep 's milk , goat 's milk , raw milk , etc.There 's almost nothing you ca n't get in America that you can get in Europe or anywhere else .
It 's just not going to be at your typical Safeway ( or whatever your average local grocery store is ) .
Asian supermarkets are also great places to find stuff you do n't normally get at Safeway .
Of course , to find places like Asian supermarkets and Whole Foods , you need to be in or near a large city .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-Why is it so difficult to find good cheese in America?
I'd pay extra for that.Go to your nearest Whole Foods market.
They have all kinds of cheeses from Europe; cow's milk cheeses, sheep's milk, goat's milk, raw milk, etc.There's almost nothing you can't get in America that you can get in Europe or anywhere else.
It's just not going to be at your typical Safeway (or whatever your average local grocery store is).
Asian supermarkets are also great places to find stuff you don't normally get at Safeway.
Of course, to find places like Asian supermarkets and Whole Foods, you need to be in or near a large city.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_30_1923204.30277718</id>
	<title>Re:Un-exercised meat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259588340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Foie gras is liver, not muscle.  Growing artificial livers would have results much more exciting than pate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Foie gras is liver , not muscle .
Growing artificial livers would have results much more exciting than pate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Foie gras is liver, not muscle.
Growing artificial livers would have results much more exciting than pate.</sentencetext>
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