<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_21_147253</id>
	<title>Apple Voiding Smokers' Warranties?</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1258816620000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Mr2001 writes <i>"Consumerist reports that Apple is <a href="http://consumerist.com/5408885/smoking-near-apple-computers-creates-biohazard-voids-warranty">refusing to work on computers that have been used in smoking households</a>. 'The Apple store called and informed me that due to the computer having been used in a house where there was smoking, [the warranty has been voided] and they refuse to work on the machine "due to health risks of second hand smoke,"' wrote one customer. Another said, 'When I asked for an explanation, she said [the owner of the iMac is] a smoker and it's contaminated with cigarette smoke, which they consider a bio-hazard! I checked my Applecare warranty and it says nothing about not honoring warranties if the owner is a smoker.' Apple claims that honoring the warranty would be an OSHA violation. (Remember when they claimed enabling 802.11n for free would be <a href="https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/07/01/16/2127204/Apple-Charges-For-80211n-Blames-Accounting-Law">a Sarbanes-Oxley violation</a>?)"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mr2001 writes " Consumerist reports that Apple is refusing to work on computers that have been used in smoking households .
'The Apple store called and informed me that due to the computer having been used in a house where there was smoking , [ the warranty has been voided ] and they refuse to work on the machine " due to health risks of second hand smoke , " ' wrote one customer .
Another said , 'When I asked for an explanation , she said [ the owner of the iMac is ] a smoker and it 's contaminated with cigarette smoke , which they consider a bio-hazard !
I checked my Applecare warranty and it says nothing about not honoring warranties if the owner is a smoker .
' Apple claims that honoring the warranty would be an OSHA violation .
( Remember when they claimed enabling 802.11n for free would be a Sarbanes-Oxley violation ?
) "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mr2001 writes "Consumerist reports that Apple is refusing to work on computers that have been used in smoking households.
'The Apple store called and informed me that due to the computer having been used in a house where there was smoking, [the warranty has been voided] and they refuse to work on the machine "due to health risks of second hand smoke,"' wrote one customer.
Another said, 'When I asked for an explanation, she said [the owner of the iMac is] a smoker and it's contaminated with cigarette smoke, which they consider a bio-hazard!
I checked my Applecare warranty and it says nothing about not honoring warranties if the owner is a smoker.
' Apple claims that honoring the warranty would be an OSHA violation.
(Remember when they claimed enabling 802.11n for free would be a Sarbanes-Oxley violation?
)"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187128</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to deny</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258836780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Same as it would be gross to smoke a turkey inside</i></p><p>Hey, screw you buddy! I was in 'Nam! I saw and did things you couldn't even begin to fathom. If I want to smoke a turkey in my house, that's my business. If I want to heat turkey gravy in a spoon over a flame and smoke it, that's my business. If  want to mainline turkey gravy, that's my fucking business! Screw Apple. They need to get off their high horse. Tell Apple to stop persecuting turkey smokers!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same as it would be gross to smoke a turkey insideHey , screw you buddy !
I was in 'Nam !
I saw and did things you could n't even begin to fathom .
If I want to smoke a turkey in my house , that 's my business .
If I want to heat turkey gravy in a spoon over a flame and smoke it , that 's my business .
If want to mainline turkey gravy , that 's my fucking business !
Screw Apple .
They need to get off their high horse .
Tell Apple to stop persecuting turkey smokers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same as it would be gross to smoke a turkey insideHey, screw you buddy!
I was in 'Nam!
I saw and did things you couldn't even begin to fathom.
If I want to smoke a turkey in my house, that's my business.
If I want to heat turkey gravy in a spoon over a flame and smoke it, that's my business.
If  want to mainline turkey gravy, that's my fucking business!
Screw Apple.
They need to get off their high horse.
Tell Apple to stop persecuting turkey smokers!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184710</id>
	<title>Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>TravisHein</author>
	<datestamp>1258822140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
For once I am pleased with Apple's quirky business policies.
</p><p>
In addition to being a biohazard, enough smoking  over time by many people seems to actually deposit a greassy residue on the inside of the computer parts, like the heat sinks, integrated circuits, fan blades. I used to be the IT administrator for an office of a dozen people, back when it was somehow allowed to smoke indoors in the office while you work. And the style was for everyone to smoke. As a non smoker I was a minority, and had to put up with working in that mess.
</p><p>
But for the computer parts, after about six months the parts looked as though someone had sprayed them with PAM cooking oil, and then dusted with ashes. All chunder stuck on fuzzy layer of dust bunnies, and "that" smell of 1000 cigarettes.  We went through a lot of computers because of the lack of ability for the parts to cool themselves with the ambient air circulation inside the cases.
</p><p>

So my fendangled point was, it is not fair for Apple, or any computer company to have to honor warranty claims for computers that were subjected to the abuse of a smoker, as the hardware was subjected to environmental conditions that was not in any of the designed intended use.  For example, if I put my computer through a dish washer, they would have the equal right to not honor my warranty claim, as I 'intentionally damaged' it in much the same way.

I would like to see other companies start doing this too.. Buy a car? Did you smoke in it ? Oh, now it has no resale value, sorry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For once I am pleased with Apple 's quirky business policies .
In addition to being a biohazard , enough smoking over time by many people seems to actually deposit a greassy residue on the inside of the computer parts , like the heat sinks , integrated circuits , fan blades .
I used to be the IT administrator for an office of a dozen people , back when it was somehow allowed to smoke indoors in the office while you work .
And the style was for everyone to smoke .
As a non smoker I was a minority , and had to put up with working in that mess .
But for the computer parts , after about six months the parts looked as though someone had sprayed them with PAM cooking oil , and then dusted with ashes .
All chunder stuck on fuzzy layer of dust bunnies , and " that " smell of 1000 cigarettes .
We went through a lot of computers because of the lack of ability for the parts to cool themselves with the ambient air circulation inside the cases .
So my fendangled point was , it is not fair for Apple , or any computer company to have to honor warranty claims for computers that were subjected to the abuse of a smoker , as the hardware was subjected to environmental conditions that was not in any of the designed intended use .
For example , if I put my computer through a dish washer , they would have the equal right to not honor my warranty claim , as I 'intentionally damaged ' it in much the same way .
I would like to see other companies start doing this too.. Buy a car ?
Did you smoke in it ?
Oh , now it has no resale value , sorry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
For once I am pleased with Apple's quirky business policies.
In addition to being a biohazard, enough smoking  over time by many people seems to actually deposit a greassy residue on the inside of the computer parts, like the heat sinks, integrated circuits, fan blades.
I used to be the IT administrator for an office of a dozen people, back when it was somehow allowed to smoke indoors in the office while you work.
And the style was for everyone to smoke.
As a non smoker I was a minority, and had to put up with working in that mess.
But for the computer parts, after about six months the parts looked as though someone had sprayed them with PAM cooking oil, and then dusted with ashes.
All chunder stuck on fuzzy layer of dust bunnies, and "that" smell of 1000 cigarettes.
We went through a lot of computers because of the lack of ability for the parts to cool themselves with the ambient air circulation inside the cases.
So my fendangled point was, it is not fair for Apple, or any computer company to have to honor warranty claims for computers that were subjected to the abuse of a smoker, as the hardware was subjected to environmental conditions that was not in any of the designed intended use.
For example, if I put my computer through a dish washer, they would have the equal right to not honor my warranty claim, as I 'intentionally damaged' it in much the same way.
I would like to see other companies start doing this too.. Buy a car?
Did you smoke in it ?
Oh, now it has no resale value, sorry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185792</id>
	<title>Money quote</title>
	<author>Azureflare</author>
	<datestamp>1258828260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This computer is less than 2 years old! Only one person in my household smokes - one 21 year old college student.</p></div><p>Yeah, "only" one person, the person that owns the laptop. And anyone that has been a 21 year old college student knows how much you smoke. (hint: a lot). Just because one person smokes doesn't mean their room isn't filled with smoke and tar residue.</p></div>
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<tokenext>This computer is less than 2 years old !
Only one person in my household smokes - one 21 year old college student.Yeah , " only " one person , the person that owns the laptop .
And anyone that has been a 21 year old college student knows how much you smoke .
( hint : a lot ) .
Just because one person smokes does n't mean their room is n't filled with smoke and tar residue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This computer is less than 2 years old!
Only one person in my household smokes - one 21 year old college student.Yeah, "only" one person, the person that owns the laptop.
And anyone that has been a 21 year old college student knows how much you smoke.
(hint: a lot).
Just because one person smokes doesn't mean their room isn't filled with smoke and tar residue.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190452</id>
	<title>As a former Mac Genius...</title>
	<author>\_spider\_</author>
	<datestamp>1258818120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a former Mac Genius, I've denied coverage for an iMac machine that I'd say was 'smoked to death'. It was so pungent and strong, we could barely stand being in the closed-off Genius room (were we did our work). It was awful, and that was before we opened the machine. Cigarette smoke is tends to make the usual dust-bunnies way worse. They stick to everything. The machine was completely stained brown and had succumbed to horrible over heating. All the vents and passages were clogged with crap. I can't post the photos, but anyone who has worked on computers I think would agree. It was just disgusting.</p><p>Even the employees who were smokers agreed with the decision. I felt sorry for the customer - I really did - but ultimately he agreed and understood my decision (he wasn't particularly happy, but wasn't upset either).</p><p>I have nothing against people smoking for themselves. But its unreasonable to ask or force people to share in it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a former Mac Genius , I 've denied coverage for an iMac machine that I 'd say was 'smoked to death' .
It was so pungent and strong , we could barely stand being in the closed-off Genius room ( were we did our work ) .
It was awful , and that was before we opened the machine .
Cigarette smoke is tends to make the usual dust-bunnies way worse .
They stick to everything .
The machine was completely stained brown and had succumbed to horrible over heating .
All the vents and passages were clogged with crap .
I ca n't post the photos , but anyone who has worked on computers I think would agree .
It was just disgusting.Even the employees who were smokers agreed with the decision .
I felt sorry for the customer - I really did - but ultimately he agreed and understood my decision ( he was n't particularly happy , but was n't upset either ) .I have nothing against people smoking for themselves .
But its unreasonable to ask or force people to share in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a former Mac Genius, I've denied coverage for an iMac machine that I'd say was 'smoked to death'.
It was so pungent and strong, we could barely stand being in the closed-off Genius room (were we did our work).
It was awful, and that was before we opened the machine.
Cigarette smoke is tends to make the usual dust-bunnies way worse.
They stick to everything.
The machine was completely stained brown and had succumbed to horrible over heating.
All the vents and passages were clogged with crap.
I can't post the photos, but anyone who has worked on computers I think would agree.
It was just disgusting.Even the employees who were smokers agreed with the decision.
I felt sorry for the customer - I really did - but ultimately he agreed and understood my decision (he wasn't particularly happy, but wasn't upset either).I have nothing against people smoking for themselves.
But its unreasonable to ask or force people to share in it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188412</id>
	<title>Re:The iPhone "success" has emboldened them...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258801920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Motorolla are curtailing the Droid's success by marketing only to the USA.</p></div></blockquote><p>
The <a href="http://www.motorola.com/consumers/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2cc1a7758ff74210VgnVCM1000008406b00aRCRD&amp;vgnextchannel=12ae694e826cd110VgnVCM1000008806b00aRCRD&amp;vgnextfmt=default" title="motorola.com" rel="nofollow">Motorola Milestone</a> [motorola.com] is what's being marketed to the rest of the world. Exact same phone as the Droid, but in a GSM flavor that has multitouch enabled. Would be trivial to get one to use on AT&amp;T or T-Mobile in the US, but it uses a different band for 3G, so you would be limited to EDGE/GPRS or 802.11g. Oh, and it's about 550 euro (~$817). <em>Slightly</em> more expensive than the CDMA counterpart here in the US ($550 without a contract last I checked).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Motorolla are curtailing the Droid 's success by marketing only to the USA .
The Motorola Milestone [ motorola.com ] is what 's being marketed to the rest of the world .
Exact same phone as the Droid , but in a GSM flavor that has multitouch enabled .
Would be trivial to get one to use on AT&amp;T or T-Mobile in the US , but it uses a different band for 3G , so you would be limited to EDGE/GPRS or 802.11g .
Oh , and it 's about 550 euro ( ~ $ 817 ) .
Slightly more expensive than the CDMA counterpart here in the US ( $ 550 without a contract last I checked ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Motorolla are curtailing the Droid's success by marketing only to the USA.
The Motorola Milestone [motorola.com] is what's being marketed to the rest of the world.
Exact same phone as the Droid, but in a GSM flavor that has multitouch enabled.
Would be trivial to get one to use on AT&amp;T or T-Mobile in the US, but it uses a different band for 3G, so you would be limited to EDGE/GPRS or 802.11g.
Oh, and it's about 550 euro (~$817).
Slightly more expensive than the CDMA counterpart here in the US ($550 without a contract last I checked).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184554</id>
	<title>Have you ever looked inside a smoker's computer?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258821240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look at <a href="http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?s=0f3b886f42bfd91f236036f361fc5724&amp;t=137197" title="bit-tech.net" rel="nofollow">this</a> [bit-tech.net] and tell me that you wouldn't run screaming if someone asked you to repair that.

Also, the way smoke is clogging up that fan, I'm thinking that smoking around a computer is a decent reason to void your warranty. Like using your phone in the rain. The harm came to the unit through your own negligence...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look at this [ bit-tech.net ] and tell me that you would n't run screaming if someone asked you to repair that .
Also , the way smoke is clogging up that fan , I 'm thinking that smoking around a computer is a decent reason to void your warranty .
Like using your phone in the rain .
The harm came to the unit through your own negligence.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look at this [bit-tech.net] and tell me that you wouldn't run screaming if someone asked you to repair that.
Also, the way smoke is clogging up that fan, I'm thinking that smoking around a computer is a decent reason to void your warranty.
Like using your phone in the rain.
The harm came to the unit through your own negligence...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184898</id>
	<title>Re:yes and no</title>
	<author>Trepidity</author>
	<datestamp>1258823280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If we're going to start voiding warranties for computers that spent time in households that contributed to component failure, though, smokers aren't really the only place to look (or even necessarily the place to start). Pet-owning households are particularly bad, for example.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If we 're going to start voiding warranties for computers that spent time in households that contributed to component failure , though , smokers are n't really the only place to look ( or even necessarily the place to start ) .
Pet-owning households are particularly bad , for example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we're going to start voiding warranties for computers that spent time in households that contributed to component failure, though, smokers aren't really the only place to look (or even necessarily the place to start).
Pet-owning households are particularly bad, for example.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185554</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe get some facts straight?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258826940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear Apple Fanboy, go read Sarbanes-Oxley and a basic (modern) finance text. The concern about recognizing revenue in this case applies to unfinished software sold with claims of functionality that are incomplete. This claim doesn't apply as the primary good was hardware and Apple didn't claim this as a feature of the original product.</p><p>Any accountant, likely even Apple's own accountants, knows the company was full of shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear Apple Fanboy , go read Sarbanes-Oxley and a basic ( modern ) finance text .
The concern about recognizing revenue in this case applies to unfinished software sold with claims of functionality that are incomplete .
This claim does n't apply as the primary good was hardware and Apple did n't claim this as a feature of the original product.Any accountant , likely even Apple 's own accountants , knows the company was full of shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear Apple Fanboy, go read Sarbanes-Oxley and a basic (modern) finance text.
The concern about recognizing revenue in this case applies to unfinished software sold with claims of functionality that are incomplete.
This claim doesn't apply as the primary good was hardware and Apple didn't claim this as a feature of the original product.Any accountant, likely even Apple's own accountants, knows the company was full of shit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184794</id>
	<title>Re:That's utterly ridiculous.</title>
	<author>ejtttje</author>
	<datestamp>1258822620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do you have any idea what you are talking about?  Cardiovascular failure and cancer would beg to differ about the flu thing, which ranks a little above leprosy.<br>
Infographic: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelpaukner/4052849920/sizes/o/in/pool-16135094@N00/" title="flickr.com">http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelpaukner/4052849920/sizes/o/in/pool-16135094@N00/</a> [flickr.com] <br>
Sure, maybe flu will get worse, but it's got a long, long, ways to go.  Don't watch so much sensationalist network news.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you have any idea what you are talking about ?
Cardiovascular failure and cancer would beg to differ about the flu thing , which ranks a little above leprosy .
Infographic : http : //www.flickr.com/photos/michaelpaukner/4052849920/sizes/o/in/pool-16135094 @ N00/ [ flickr.com ] Sure , maybe flu will get worse , but it 's got a long , long , ways to go .
Do n't watch so much sensationalist network news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Cardiovascular failure and cancer would beg to differ about the flu thing, which ranks a little above leprosy.
Infographic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelpaukner/4052849920/sizes/o/in/pool-16135094@N00/ [flickr.com] 
Sure, maybe flu will get worse, but it's got a long, long, ways to go.
Don't watch so much sensationalist network news.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188628</id>
	<title>Smokers may me want to puke.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258803540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If a car came into a repair shop with the hint of drugs or some other extremely foul odor in the car, no one would not fault the dealer for refusing service. What's the difference?</p><p>I remember when people screamed about no smoking sections in restaurants as being unfair. I think refusing to work on computers that wreak from cigarette smoke is the next logical step.  The employees who refused the service should have filed a complaint with osha and then made the issue more viable. No offense but cigarette smoke makes me very sick. I have worked on computers for years. To work on a computer with smoke residue makes me start coughing for at least a week. It is a shame that the owners of the computers were so ill considerate to the employees not to genuinely consider their health risks.  Smokers smell worse than people with body odor in my opinion.</p><p>All that being aside I see more problems with computers of people who smoke than than those do not. Computer companies should amend their warranties to reflect that.</p><p>Second hand smoke leads to cancer. Just because someone wants to smoke does not mean i have to put up with it by breathing smokers exhausts fumes left on the items they own. Someone needs a reality check. again: Smokers smell worse than people with body odor in my opinion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If a car came into a repair shop with the hint of drugs or some other extremely foul odor in the car , no one would not fault the dealer for refusing service .
What 's the difference ? I remember when people screamed about no smoking sections in restaurants as being unfair .
I think refusing to work on computers that wreak from cigarette smoke is the next logical step .
The employees who refused the service should have filed a complaint with osha and then made the issue more viable .
No offense but cigarette smoke makes me very sick .
I have worked on computers for years .
To work on a computer with smoke residue makes me start coughing for at least a week .
It is a shame that the owners of the computers were so ill considerate to the employees not to genuinely consider their health risks .
Smokers smell worse than people with body odor in my opinion.All that being aside I see more problems with computers of people who smoke than than those do not .
Computer companies should amend their warranties to reflect that.Second hand smoke leads to cancer .
Just because someone wants to smoke does not mean i have to put up with it by breathing smokers exhausts fumes left on the items they own .
Someone needs a reality check .
again : Smokers smell worse than people with body odor in my opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a car came into a repair shop with the hint of drugs or some other extremely foul odor in the car, no one would not fault the dealer for refusing service.
What's the difference?I remember when people screamed about no smoking sections in restaurants as being unfair.
I think refusing to work on computers that wreak from cigarette smoke is the next logical step.
The employees who refused the service should have filed a complaint with osha and then made the issue more viable.
No offense but cigarette smoke makes me very sick.
I have worked on computers for years.
To work on a computer with smoke residue makes me start coughing for at least a week.
It is a shame that the owners of the computers were so ill considerate to the employees not to genuinely consider their health risks.
Smokers smell worse than people with body odor in my opinion.All that being aside I see more problems with computers of people who smoke than than those do not.
Computer companies should amend their warranties to reflect that.Second hand smoke leads to cancer.
Just because someone wants to smoke does not mean i have to put up with it by breathing smokers exhausts fumes left on the items they own.
Someone needs a reality check.
again: Smokers smell worse than people with body odor in my opinion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186122</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to deny</title>
	<author>jareth-0205</author>
	<datestamp>1258830480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Of course these are not likely people using their computers for productive things... probably ex-AOLers chatting up people while drinking and smoking. In which case - ??? WTF just get a life already.</p></div></blockquote><p>Holy crap, what gives you the right to tell other people how they should live their life? Smoking is a legal pleasure that some people choose to indulge in in their own home. Apple's products should be designed to cope with functioning in a normal home environment, and when they don't that's what the warranty is for. Just because it doesn't happen to affect you or I doesn't make it ok.</p><blockquote><div><p>Tobacco smoke is not a good thing for electronics.</p></div></blockquote><p>No, but it is often a part of the home.</p><p>Apple didn't claim that their products couldn't run in smokey environments, they claimed it couldn't be repaired because of some health and safety rule, which sounds unlikely to be true given there are simple ways of protecting yourself like gloves and a mask...</p></div>
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<tokenext>Of course these are not likely people using their computers for productive things... probably ex-AOLers chatting up people while drinking and smoking .
In which case - ? ? ?
WTF just get a life already.Holy crap , what gives you the right to tell other people how they should live their life ?
Smoking is a legal pleasure that some people choose to indulge in in their own home .
Apple 's products should be designed to cope with functioning in a normal home environment , and when they do n't that 's what the warranty is for .
Just because it does n't happen to affect you or I does n't make it ok.Tobacco smoke is not a good thing for electronics.No , but it is often a part of the home.Apple did n't claim that their products could n't run in smokey environments , they claimed it could n't be repaired because of some health and safety rule , which sounds unlikely to be true given there are simple ways of protecting yourself like gloves and a mask.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course these are not likely people using their computers for productive things... probably ex-AOLers chatting up people while drinking and smoking.
In which case - ???
WTF just get a life already.Holy crap, what gives you the right to tell other people how they should live their life?
Smoking is a legal pleasure that some people choose to indulge in in their own home.
Apple's products should be designed to cope with functioning in a normal home environment, and when they don't that's what the warranty is for.
Just because it doesn't happen to affect you or I doesn't make it ok.Tobacco smoke is not a good thing for electronics.No, but it is often a part of the home.Apple didn't claim that their products couldn't run in smokey environments, they claimed it couldn't be repaired because of some health and safety rule, which sounds unlikely to be true given there are simple ways of protecting yourself like gloves and a mask...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184586</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188162</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe get some facts straight?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258800300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah good old slashdot, where ignaramous Mac  fanboys get modded up for complete bullshit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah good old slashdot , where ignaramous Mac fanboys get modded up for complete bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah good old slashdot, where ignaramous Mac  fanboys get modded up for complete bullshit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184624</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187626</id>
	<title>Odds Are This Is Pure Bullshit</title>
	<author>Frosty Piss</author>
	<datestamp>1258796760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Slashdot odds are that this story turns out to be pure crap. It's always been a little bit of an issue here with a submission from a blog or other less than solid source ca while uses a Slashdot "editor" to pound the Accept button while shrieking about rights and information needs to be free and so forth, and we discover later that there was some other issue, a misunderstanding, or no issue at all. Now that many have run out of I Hate Microsoft steam, Apple and Google are the natural targets.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdot odds are that this story turns out to be pure crap .
It 's always been a little bit of an issue here with a submission from a blog or other less than solid source ca while uses a Slashdot " editor " to pound the Accept button while shrieking about rights and information needs to be free and so forth , and we discover later that there was some other issue , a misunderstanding , or no issue at all .
Now that many have run out of I Hate Microsoft steam , Apple and Google are the natural targets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashdot odds are that this story turns out to be pure crap.
It's always been a little bit of an issue here with a submission from a blog or other less than solid source ca while uses a Slashdot "editor" to pound the Accept button while shrieking about rights and information needs to be free and so forth, and we discover later that there was some other issue, a misunderstanding, or no issue at all.
Now that many have run out of I Hate Microsoft steam, Apple and Google are the natural targets.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185282</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30192024</id>
	<title>New EULA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258885260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just unpacked new iPod and I found new EULA: "Unpacking your computer from org box is a voilation of the following: {list of 123 bullets, incl. 12 crimes i 59 from anti-terrorism act}. Gov't has been notified already (as by buying you have intended to):  {list of 123 bullets, incl. 12 crimes i 59 from anti-terrorism act}.". BTW: EULA was inside the box.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just unpacked new iPod and I found new EULA : " Unpacking your computer from org box is a voilation of the following : { list of 123 bullets , incl .
12 crimes i 59 from anti-terrorism act } .
Gov't has been notified already ( as by buying you have intended to ) : { list of 123 bullets , incl .
12 crimes i 59 from anti-terrorism act } . " .
BTW : EULA was inside the box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just unpacked new iPod and I found new EULA: "Unpacking your computer from org box is a voilation of the following: {list of 123 bullets, incl.
12 crimes i 59 from anti-terrorism act}.
Gov't has been notified already (as by buying you have intended to):  {list of 123 bullets, incl.
12 crimes i 59 from anti-terrorism act}.".
BTW: EULA was inside the box.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188066</id>
	<title>Re:yes and no</title>
	<author>monkeySauce</author>
	<datestamp>1258799700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly. I used to work for a company where there was one smoker who chain-smoked all day long in her office. She went through computer components and printers like the rest of the office went through coffee. The other computers had hardly any hardware problems. From motherboard failures, dead CPU (heatsink was covered in that fuzzy residue you mentioned), to hard drive failures, multiple dead printers (the electronics apparently, not the mechanical parts); I was always replacing something in her office. It was ridiculous.
<br> <br>
I don't blame Apple at all for voiding warranties of computers kept in such damaging conditions. Just seems they are citing the wrong reasons here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
I used to work for a company where there was one smoker who chain-smoked all day long in her office .
She went through computer components and printers like the rest of the office went through coffee .
The other computers had hardly any hardware problems .
From motherboard failures , dead CPU ( heatsink was covered in that fuzzy residue you mentioned ) , to hard drive failures , multiple dead printers ( the electronics apparently , not the mechanical parts ) ; I was always replacing something in her office .
It was ridiculous .
I do n't blame Apple at all for voiding warranties of computers kept in such damaging conditions .
Just seems they are citing the wrong reasons here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
I used to work for a company where there was one smoker who chain-smoked all day long in her office.
She went through computer components and printers like the rest of the office went through coffee.
The other computers had hardly any hardware problems.
From motherboard failures, dead CPU (heatsink was covered in that fuzzy residue you mentioned), to hard drive failures, multiple dead printers (the electronics apparently, not the mechanical parts); I was always replacing something in her office.
It was ridiculous.
I don't blame Apple at all for voiding warranties of computers kept in such damaging conditions.
Just seems they are citing the wrong reasons here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184456</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186024</id>
	<title>Re:Have you ever looked inside a smoker's computer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258829760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow - the propaganda's getting thick around here.</p><p>It's sad really, when anyone carries anything to such extremes as to make themselves look so totally ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow - the propaganda 's getting thick around here.It 's sad really , when anyone carries anything to such extremes as to make themselves look so totally ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow - the propaganda's getting thick around here.It's sad really, when anyone carries anything to such extremes as to make themselves look so totally ridiculous.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184554</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186988</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>trickyD1ck</author>
	<datestamp>1258835820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>yeah, how can one be held responsible for his actions?</htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah , how can one be held responsible for his actions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah, how can one be held responsible for his actions?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185436</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>Shatrat</author>
	<datestamp>1258826160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Urinating is legal but I bet if I pissed in a macbook they wouldn't work on it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Urinating is legal but I bet if I pissed in a macbook they would n't work on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Urinating is legal but I bet if I pissed in a macbook they wouldn't work on it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186114</id>
	<title>Decontamination</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1258830480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Fill ultrasonic cleaner in glove box with deionized water / detergent solution.  Fill rinse tank with deionized water.
Start ventilation system for glove box.  Using tongs, place unit in glove box and close door. Disassemble unit in glove box.  Place each board and case component in ultrasonic cleaner for one minute, then in rinse tank, then on drying rack.  Allow 10 minutes for preliminary drying.  Open glove box, remove drying rack with components, and take to repair technician.  Dispose of contaminated water as medium-toxicity liquid waste.
</p><p>
What's the problem?
</p><p>
Pre-cleaning is routine in maintenance of equipment used in bio and chemical labs and in medical facilities.  It works for computers with flood damage, too.  Almost all electronic components other than hard drives are tolerant of cleaning in this fashion.  The last step in PC board manufacture is a pass through a dishwasher-like cleaning station.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fill ultrasonic cleaner in glove box with deionized water / detergent solution .
Fill rinse tank with deionized water .
Start ventilation system for glove box .
Using tongs , place unit in glove box and close door .
Disassemble unit in glove box .
Place each board and case component in ultrasonic cleaner for one minute , then in rinse tank , then on drying rack .
Allow 10 minutes for preliminary drying .
Open glove box , remove drying rack with components , and take to repair technician .
Dispose of contaminated water as medium-toxicity liquid waste .
What 's the problem ?
Pre-cleaning is routine in maintenance of equipment used in bio and chemical labs and in medical facilities .
It works for computers with flood damage , too .
Almost all electronic components other than hard drives are tolerant of cleaning in this fashion .
The last step in PC board manufacture is a pass through a dishwasher-like cleaning station .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Fill ultrasonic cleaner in glove box with deionized water / detergent solution.
Fill rinse tank with deionized water.
Start ventilation system for glove box.
Using tongs, place unit in glove box and close door.
Disassemble unit in glove box.
Place each board and case component in ultrasonic cleaner for one minute, then in rinse tank, then on drying rack.
Allow 10 minutes for preliminary drying.
Open glove box, remove drying rack with components, and take to repair technician.
Dispose of contaminated water as medium-toxicity liquid waste.
What's the problem?
Pre-cleaning is routine in maintenance of equipment used in bio and chemical labs and in medical facilities.
It works for computers with flood damage, too.
Almost all electronic components other than hard drives are tolerant of cleaning in this fashion.
The last step in PC board manufacture is a pass through a dishwasher-like cleaning station.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30192726</id>
	<title>They're kindve f'ing themselves because...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258898940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know a single person who'd buy a mac, who doesn't smoke a shit ton of weed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know a single person who 'd buy a mac , who does n't smoke a shit ton of weed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know a single person who'd buy a mac, who doesn't smoke a shit ton of weed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30191648</id>
	<title>Re:I'm not surprised</title>
	<author>seebs</author>
	<datestamp>1258920540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just took in a macbook with one month left on a three-year warranty.  The first owner smoked near it for a solid two years; the second owner didn't, but the machine was pretty banged up.  Apple fixed it without any hassle; brought it in late Friday night, had it back (fedex overnight) Tuesday morning.</p><p>Conclusion:  If they rejected something based on smoke-related issues, it was pretty severe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just took in a macbook with one month left on a three-year warranty .
The first owner smoked near it for a solid two years ; the second owner did n't , but the machine was pretty banged up .
Apple fixed it without any hassle ; brought it in late Friday night , had it back ( fedex overnight ) Tuesday morning.Conclusion : If they rejected something based on smoke-related issues , it was pretty severe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just took in a macbook with one month left on a three-year warranty.
The first owner smoked near it for a solid two years; the second owner didn't, but the machine was pretty banged up.
Apple fixed it without any hassle; brought it in late Friday night, had it back (fedex overnight) Tuesday morning.Conclusion:  If they rejected something based on smoke-related issues, it was pretty severe.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184696</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30203982</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259002440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You might actually have a point<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if they also voided warranties for people who owned pets.</i></p><p><i>Or lived in dusty climates. Or where computers were used in places like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... motorcycle shops. Or, any of the myriad of conditions that would have the exact same effect on the computer.</i></p><p><i>[snip]</i></p><p><i>I own dogs and live in a high desert climate<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... it requires regular cleaning of the PCs with an air compressor.</i></p><p>I assure you that the gum left behind by cigarette smoke cannot be removed by dusting with an air compressor.</p><p>You claimed that pets, dust, etc. have "the exact same effect" on computers as cigarette smoke.  I claim that you are incorrect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You might actually have a point ... if they also voided warranties for people who owned pets.Or lived in dusty climates .
Or where computers were used in places like ... motorcycle shops .
Or , any of the myriad of conditions that would have the exact same effect on the computer .
[ snip ] I own dogs and live in a high desert climate ... it requires regular cleaning of the PCs with an air compressor.I assure you that the gum left behind by cigarette smoke can not be removed by dusting with an air compressor.You claimed that pets , dust , etc .
have " the exact same effect " on computers as cigarette smoke .
I claim that you are incorrect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might actually have a point ... if they also voided warranties for people who owned pets.Or lived in dusty climates.
Or where computers were used in places like ... motorcycle shops.
Or, any of the myriad of conditions that would have the exact same effect on the computer.
[snip]I own dogs and live in a high desert climate ... it requires regular cleaning of the PCs with an air compressor.I assure you that the gum left behind by cigarette smoke cannot be removed by dusting with an air compressor.You claimed that pets, dust, etc.
have "the exact same effect" on computers as cigarette smoke.
I claim that you are incorrect.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185814</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186720</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>DaTrueDave</author>
	<datestamp>1258834020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could you tell us more about this Noah's Ark that exists in smoke?  As someone that recently quit smoking, I'm very curious about this.

Thanks!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could you tell us more about this Noah 's Ark that exists in smoke ?
As someone that recently quit smoking , I 'm very curious about this .
Thanks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could you tell us more about this Noah's Ark that exists in smoke?
As someone that recently quit smoking, I'm very curious about this.
Thanks!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184656</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184450</id>
	<title>Legal vs...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, water is legal, but getting water in a PC or a cell phone voids the warranty.</p><p>So, it would then come down to whether or not smoking is hazardous to electronic equipment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , water is legal , but getting water in a PC or a cell phone voids the warranty.So , it would then come down to whether or not smoking is hazardous to electronic equipment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, water is legal, but getting water in a PC or a cell phone voids the warranty.So, it would then come down to whether or not smoking is hazardous to electronic equipment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185378</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>Bert64</author>
	<datestamp>1258825920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because it's a choice, and you can legally penalize someone for doing something detrimental which they chose to do...<br>In many places, if you are interviewing someone for a job your not allowed to consider their ethnicity or gender (over which they obviously have no control), but if they smoke you can use that as your reason for choosing someone else.</p><p>I could use a computer in an environment where it gets no ventilation, and that would void the warranty if they could see evidence of how it was used... I can smash it with a hammer and the warranty is voided, i can try using it in the bath and the warranty gets voided... Noone is forcing you to smoke in the vicinity of your computer, you do so at your own risk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it 's a choice , and you can legally penalize someone for doing something detrimental which they chose to do...In many places , if you are interviewing someone for a job your not allowed to consider their ethnicity or gender ( over which they obviously have no control ) , but if they smoke you can use that as your reason for choosing someone else.I could use a computer in an environment where it gets no ventilation , and that would void the warranty if they could see evidence of how it was used... I can smash it with a hammer and the warranty is voided , i can try using it in the bath and the warranty gets voided... Noone is forcing you to smoke in the vicinity of your computer , you do so at your own risk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it's a choice, and you can legally penalize someone for doing something detrimental which they chose to do...In many places, if you are interviewing someone for a job your not allowed to consider their ethnicity or gender (over which they obviously have no control), but if they smoke you can use that as your reason for choosing someone else.I could use a computer in an environment where it gets no ventilation, and that would void the warranty if they could see evidence of how it was used... I can smash it with a hammer and the warranty is voided, i can try using it in the bath and the warranty gets voided... Noone is forcing you to smoke in the vicinity of your computer, you do so at your own risk.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185444</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe get some facts straight?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258826280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>it's a perfectly legitimate (though perhaps conservative) claim</p></div></blockquote><p>I think we're all in agreement: Apple legitimately claimed that they could screw customers due to Sarbanes-Oxley, and they did. Even while defending them, you've made it clear that they didn't need to do it -- that it was "conservative", which is what others would also call a flimsy pretense to screw your customers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's a perfectly legitimate ( though perhaps conservative ) claimI think we 're all in agreement : Apple legitimately claimed that they could screw customers due to Sarbanes-Oxley , and they did .
Even while defending them , you 've made it clear that they did n't need to do it -- that it was " conservative " , which is what others would also call a flimsy pretense to screw your customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's a perfectly legitimate (though perhaps conservative) claimI think we're all in agreement: Apple legitimately claimed that they could screw customers due to Sarbanes-Oxley, and they did.
Even while defending them, you've made it clear that they didn't need to do it -- that it was "conservative", which is what others would also call a flimsy pretense to screw your customers.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184624</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184808</id>
	<title>Re:Smokers</title>
	<author>jedidiah</author>
	<datestamp>1258822680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given the kind of nasty tar buildup that you can see in a smokers house or car, this sort of concern should not be all that surprising really.</p><p>You really can't blame an underpaid geek for not wanting to get near that stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given the kind of nasty tar buildup that you can see in a smokers house or car , this sort of concern should not be all that surprising really.You really ca n't blame an underpaid geek for not wanting to get near that stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given the kind of nasty tar buildup that you can see in a smokers house or car, this sort of concern should not be all that surprising really.You really can't blame an underpaid geek for not wanting to get near that stuff.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184402</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185162</id>
	<title>Re:I don't blame them</title>
	<author>arashi sohaku</author>
	<datestamp>1258824840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Killz white primer paint works wonders on smoke impregnated walls.  Not a shill... just used it on the walls in my house.  Sometimes the house is worth it, even if there's smoker's residue.  Like someone else said, clean it first, then Killz the rest.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Killz white primer paint works wonders on smoke impregnated walls .
Not a shill... just used it on the walls in my house .
Sometimes the house is worth it , even if there 's smoker 's residue .
Like someone else said , clean it first , then Killz the rest .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Killz white primer paint works wonders on smoke impregnated walls.
Not a shill... just used it on the walls in my house.
Sometimes the house is worth it, even if there's smoker's residue.
Like someone else said, clean it first, then Killz the rest.
:)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184960</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184484</id>
	<title>Re:I don't blame them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why did you choose it if you you did not like it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why did you choose it if you you did not like it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why did you choose it if you you did not like it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184416</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184728</id>
	<title>big babies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258822200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You guys complaining about this are the biggest babies. Aside from the fact that this information extremely ( to say the least ) exaggerated, you guys have all been mislead by this smoke in your eyes nonsense. Please take a look at http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com. Oh, and most of these chemicals found in tobacco smoke are perfectly fine under EPA guidelines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You guys complaining about this are the biggest babies .
Aside from the fact that this information extremely ( to say the least ) exaggerated , you guys have all been mislead by this smoke in your eyes nonsense .
Please take a look at http : //tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com .
Oh , and most of these chemicals found in tobacco smoke are perfectly fine under EPA guidelines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You guys complaining about this are the biggest babies.
Aside from the fact that this information extremely ( to say the least ) exaggerated, you guys have all been mislead by this smoke in your eyes nonsense.
Please take a look at http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com.
Oh, and most of these chemicals found in tobacco smoke are perfectly fine under EPA guidelines.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30191522</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Voiding Smokers' Warranties?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258832280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Okay, Apple has gone too far refusing to service their equipment because a user is a smoker.  I hope Apple refuses to service someone with willingness and resources to sue.  I imagine that would be a black eye on Apple, and because there isn't anything in the warranty about the warranty being voided because of smoke I'd bet they'd lose.</p><p>Falcon</p></div><p>I hope that does happen. Apple is starting to go too far with their controlling and snubness, As much as I like Apple, My next machine will NOT be an Apple.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , Apple has gone too far refusing to service their equipment because a user is a smoker .
I hope Apple refuses to service someone with willingness and resources to sue .
I imagine that would be a black eye on Apple , and because there is n't anything in the warranty about the warranty being voided because of smoke I 'd bet they 'd lose.FalconI hope that does happen .
Apple is starting to go too far with their controlling and snubness , As much as I like Apple , My next machine will NOT be an Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, Apple has gone too far refusing to service their equipment because a user is a smoker.
I hope Apple refuses to service someone with willingness and resources to sue.
I imagine that would be a black eye on Apple, and because there isn't anything in the warranty about the warranty being voided because of smoke I'd bet they'd lose.FalconI hope that does happen.
Apple is starting to go too far with their controlling and snubness, As much as I like Apple, My next machine will NOT be an Apple.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187400</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258795560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really, you're kind of an idiot.</p><p>I'm an Emergency Med Tech - and by the time I get to somebody who's had a major heart attack or stroke they've probably already crapped their pants.  Not very healthy for me, what with the pathogens involved; and not a particularly appealing odor, either.</p><p>So I'll tell you what - next time you have a serious medical emergency and you need my services, make sure you haven't eaten anything for 48 hours.  And that you've complied fully with a regimen of laxitives during that time.</p><p>What's that?  You have a warranty... ummm... I mean *insurance*?  So what?</p><p>Yup.  You guessed it.  I smoke, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , you 're kind of an idiot.I 'm an Emergency Med Tech - and by the time I get to somebody who 's had a major heart attack or stroke they 've probably already crapped their pants .
Not very healthy for me , what with the pathogens involved ; and not a particularly appealing odor , either.So I 'll tell you what - next time you have a serious medical emergency and you need my services , make sure you have n't eaten anything for 48 hours .
And that you 've complied fully with a regimen of laxitives during that time.What 's that ?
You have a warranty... ummm... I mean * insurance * ?
So what ? Yup .
You guessed it .
I smoke , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, you're kind of an idiot.I'm an Emergency Med Tech - and by the time I get to somebody who's had a major heart attack or stroke they've probably already crapped their pants.
Not very healthy for me, what with the pathogens involved; and not a particularly appealing odor, either.So I'll tell you what - next time you have a serious medical emergency and you need my services, make sure you haven't eaten anything for 48 hours.
And that you've complied fully with a regimen of laxitives during that time.What's that?
You have a warranty... ummm... I mean *insurance*?
So what?Yup.
You guessed it.
I smoke, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185734</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to deny</title>
	<author>fartingfool</author>
	<datestamp>1258827840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The level of stereotyping you're doing is completely and utterly appalling. I'm a fan of do what you want in your own house, as it's YOUR house. By even suggesting that a smoker should get up and leave their own house to do what they enjoy because it offends you is ridiculous. And in my particular state (Florida), you can't smoke inside of a public building. So that's that.
<p>
As far as considering people who smoke are all "ex-AOLers" who automatically drink and suck at life, rethink this statement. I'm sure any person who used the internet at all when dial-up was the only feasible option, used AOL at one point or another.</p><p>
I'm sorry you think smoking is gross. Too bad it's just an opinion backed up by retarded comments. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The level of stereotyping you 're doing is completely and utterly appalling .
I 'm a fan of do what you want in your own house , as it 's YOUR house .
By even suggesting that a smoker should get up and leave their own house to do what they enjoy because it offends you is ridiculous .
And in my particular state ( Florida ) , you ca n't smoke inside of a public building .
So that 's that .
As far as considering people who smoke are all " ex-AOLers " who automatically drink and suck at life , rethink this statement .
I 'm sure any person who used the internet at all when dial-up was the only feasible option , used AOL at one point or another .
I 'm sorry you think smoking is gross .
Too bad it 's just an opinion backed up by retarded comments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The level of stereotyping you're doing is completely and utterly appalling.
I'm a fan of do what you want in your own house, as it's YOUR house.
By even suggesting that a smoker should get up and leave their own house to do what they enjoy because it offends you is ridiculous.
And in my particular state (Florida), you can't smoke inside of a public building.
So that's that.
As far as considering people who smoke are all "ex-AOLers" who automatically drink and suck at life, rethink this statement.
I'm sure any person who used the internet at all when dial-up was the only feasible option, used AOL at one point or another.
I'm sorry you think smoking is gross.
Too bad it's just an opinion backed up by retarded comments. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30192082</id>
	<title>poor smokers</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1258886400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, the poor smokers. They only want to be left alone and for the rest of the world to completely ignore that they are filling the air around them with poisonous gas. This is a crusade, I tell you! Everyone has the right to poison his environment as he sees hit, and the right that his environment totally ignores that! The oppression must end! Free poison for everyone!</p><p>I applaud Apple for standing up for their employees. I don't know what kind of internal lobbying it took, and for how long, but it is a great step forward for smokers to get some feedback on what they do to the world around them. As adults, you should take the consequences of your actions, and take them like a man instead of like a crybaby.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , the poor smokers .
They only want to be left alone and for the rest of the world to completely ignore that they are filling the air around them with poisonous gas .
This is a crusade , I tell you !
Everyone has the right to poison his environment as he sees hit , and the right that his environment totally ignores that !
The oppression must end !
Free poison for everyone ! I applaud Apple for standing up for their employees .
I do n't know what kind of internal lobbying it took , and for how long , but it is a great step forward for smokers to get some feedback on what they do to the world around them .
As adults , you should take the consequences of your actions , and take them like a man instead of like a crybaby .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, the poor smokers.
They only want to be left alone and for the rest of the world to completely ignore that they are filling the air around them with poisonous gas.
This is a crusade, I tell you!
Everyone has the right to poison his environment as he sees hit, and the right that his environment totally ignores that!
The oppression must end!
Free poison for everyone!I applaud Apple for standing up for their employees.
I don't know what kind of internal lobbying it took, and for how long, but it is a great step forward for smokers to get some feedback on what they do to the world around them.
As adults, you should take the consequences of your actions, and take them like a man instead of like a crybaby.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30192320</id>
	<title>Re:I don't blame them</title>
	<author>ross axe</author>
	<datestamp>1258891080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We have these things, called detergents, also water which can be used to "clean" things. I know that's a novel concept for many smokers.</p></div><p>Yes, and fat people are lazy, Muslims are terrorists, Jews are greedy and black people are thieves.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have these things , called detergents , also water which can be used to " clean " things .
I know that 's a novel concept for many smokers.Yes , and fat people are lazy , Muslims are terrorists , Jews are greedy and black people are thieves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have these things, called detergents, also water which can be used to "clean" things.
I know that's a novel concept for many smokers.Yes, and fat people are lazy, Muslims are terrorists, Jews are greedy and black people are thieves.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186074</id>
	<title>Re:What about cat owners?</title>
	<author>EgNagRah</author>
	<datestamp>1258830120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...I wish I could just say "Boss these PCs are too dusty, I'm allergic, so I cannot clean them."  But she'd bee all like "FIRED!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>...I wish I could just say " Boss these PCs are too dusty , I 'm allergic , so I can not clean them .
" But she 'd bee all like " FIRED !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I wish I could just say "Boss these PCs are too dusty, I'm allergic, so I cannot clean them.
"  But she'd bee all like "FIRED!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187246</id>
	<title>Re:Have you ever looked inside a smoker's computer</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1258794360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Look at <a href="http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?s=0f3b886f42bfd91f236036f361fc5724&amp;t=137197" title="bit-tech.net">this</a> [bit-tech.net] and tell me that you wouldn't run screaming if someone asked you to repair that.</i></p><p>Ever hear of cans of compressed air?  Ever hear of dust rags?  I've had air intakes and fans get about as dirty without smoke.  Also it looks like there may be pet hairs in some of those photos.  Look around my apartment and I bet you'll find a lot of cobwebs yet nobody smokes inside.  One tech told me I could tape a coffee filter onto the fan's air intake vent to filter the air.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look at this [ bit-tech.net ] and tell me that you would n't run screaming if someone asked you to repair that.Ever hear of cans of compressed air ?
Ever hear of dust rags ?
I 've had air intakes and fans get about as dirty without smoke .
Also it looks like there may be pet hairs in some of those photos .
Look around my apartment and I bet you 'll find a lot of cobwebs yet nobody smokes inside .
One tech told me I could tape a coffee filter onto the fan 's air intake vent to filter the air .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look at this [bit-tech.net] and tell me that you wouldn't run screaming if someone asked you to repair that.Ever hear of cans of compressed air?
Ever hear of dust rags?
I've had air intakes and fans get about as dirty without smoke.
Also it looks like there may be pet hairs in some of those photos.
Look around my apartment and I bet you'll find a lot of cobwebs yet nobody smokes inside.
One tech told me I could tape a coffee filter onto the fan's air intake vent to filter the air.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30192458</id>
	<title>Re:Smokers</title>
	<author>XCondE</author>
	<datestamp>1258893960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As for the health concerns, well I smoke anyways, but I do it outside. I'd still wear gloves, just like I almost always did.</p></div><p>
Do you also re-apply your lipstick after a cig?
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As for the health concerns , well I smoke anyways , but I do it outside .
I 'd still wear gloves , just like I almost always did .
Do you also re-apply your lipstick after a cig ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As for the health concerns, well I smoke anyways, but I do it outside.
I'd still wear gloves, just like I almost always did.
Do you also re-apply your lipstick after a cig?

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186360</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe get some facts straight?</title>
	<author>spire3661</author>
	<datestamp>1258832040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>And apparently you dont undertand that people dont want ot hear about some bullshit accounting excuse. Its called marketing. Trotting out Sarbanes-Oxley jsut made them look like a tool. THere was NO legal requirement for them to do it in that manner, its all a simple matter of how you do your books.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And apparently you dont undertand that people dont want ot hear about some bullshit accounting excuse .
Its called marketing .
Trotting out Sarbanes-Oxley jsut made them look like a tool .
THere was NO legal requirement for them to do it in that manner , its all a simple matter of how you do your books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And apparently you dont undertand that people dont want ot hear about some bullshit accounting excuse.
Its called marketing.
Trotting out Sarbanes-Oxley jsut made them look like a tool.
THere was NO legal requirement for them to do it in that manner, its all a simple matter of how you do your books.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188298</id>
	<title>Did they need to ask or could they tell?</title>
	<author>DrBuzzo</author>
	<datestamp>1258801140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they have to ask the customer if they smoke or have it somehow in the EULA or contract, then that is one thing, because it clearly doesn't actually change the computer.   However, I have seen computers and other equipment which are used by a smoker, who soimehow has managed to completely infuse the item with the stench of stale grimy cigarette smoke to the point where it's impossible to ignore.    I don't know what the do, but apparently they must be smoking at the computer constantly with the window closed, because the whole thing is stained yellow, stinks to beat the band and has grimy tar and ash deposits on it.
<br> <br>
Warranties are not intended to cover abuse or damage due to the end user.   If you blow so much smoke into your computer that you've clogged the fans, turned the plastic yellow, coated the components in grime and made the whole thing smell like an old French hooker, then that's abuse and you shouldn't be entitled to the same kind of response as someone who kept their computer reasonably clean and had a manufacturing error cause a problem through no fault of their own.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they have to ask the customer if they smoke or have it somehow in the EULA or contract , then that is one thing , because it clearly does n't actually change the computer .
However , I have seen computers and other equipment which are used by a smoker , who soimehow has managed to completely infuse the item with the stench of stale grimy cigarette smoke to the point where it 's impossible to ignore .
I do n't know what the do , but apparently they must be smoking at the computer constantly with the window closed , because the whole thing is stained yellow , stinks to beat the band and has grimy tar and ash deposits on it .
Warranties are not intended to cover abuse or damage due to the end user .
If you blow so much smoke into your computer that you 've clogged the fans , turned the plastic yellow , coated the components in grime and made the whole thing smell like an old French hooker , then that 's abuse and you should n't be entitled to the same kind of response as someone who kept their computer reasonably clean and had a manufacturing error cause a problem through no fault of their own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they have to ask the customer if they smoke or have it somehow in the EULA or contract, then that is one thing, because it clearly doesn't actually change the computer.
However, I have seen computers and other equipment which are used by a smoker, who soimehow has managed to completely infuse the item with the stench of stale grimy cigarette smoke to the point where it's impossible to ignore.
I don't know what the do, but apparently they must be smoking at the computer constantly with the window closed, because the whole thing is stained yellow, stinks to beat the band and has grimy tar and ash deposits on it.
Warranties are not intended to cover abuse or damage due to the end user.
If you blow so much smoke into your computer that you've clogged the fans, turned the plastic yellow, coated the components in grime and made the whole thing smell like an old French hooker, then that's abuse and you shouldn't be entitled to the same kind of response as someone who kept their computer reasonably clean and had a manufacturing error cause a problem through no fault of their own.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184402</id>
	<title>Smokers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are second-class citizens now, didn't you get the memo? Right up there with fatties and gays. *eye-roll*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are second-class citizens now , did n't you get the memo ?
Right up there with fatties and gays .
* eye-roll *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are second-class citizens now, didn't you get the memo?
Right up there with fatties and gays.
*eye-roll*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187896</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>BradyB</author>
	<datestamp>1258798440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>..... particularly second-hand smoke which contains a <i> <b>Noah's Ark of nasty bacteria</b> </i> and pathogens. WHy is it such a surprise that it also kills sensitive electronic equipment?</p></div><p>Cigarette smoke has bacteria in it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>..... particularly second-hand smoke which contains a Noah 's Ark of nasty bacteria and pathogens .
WHy is it such a surprise that it also kills sensitive electronic equipment ? Cigarette smoke has bacteria in it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..... particularly second-hand smoke which contains a  Noah's Ark of nasty bacteria  and pathogens.
WHy is it such a surprise that it also kills sensitive electronic equipment?Cigarette smoke has bacteria in it?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190050</id>
	<title>So..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258814520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's an Apple<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. who gives a fuck<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. buy a PC like the rest of the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's an Apple .. who gives a fuck .. buy a PC like the rest of the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's an Apple .. who gives a fuck .. buy a PC like the rest of the world.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30203332</id>
	<title>Cat owners next?</title>
	<author>camazotz</author>
	<datestamp>1258998840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd never thought of the idea that the smoke, tar and other byproducts of a smoking habit could gum up the inner workings of the PC (heatsink and such).

What's next? Cat owners? I know I pop mine open at least once a month to clean out cat hair stuck in the fans, sink and so forth.....</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd never thought of the idea that the smoke , tar and other byproducts of a smoking habit could gum up the inner workings of the PC ( heatsink and such ) .
What 's next ?
Cat owners ?
I know I pop mine open at least once a month to clean out cat hair stuck in the fans , sink and so forth.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd never thought of the idea that the smoke, tar and other byproducts of a smoking habit could gum up the inner workings of the PC (heatsink and such).
What's next?
Cat owners?
I know I pop mine open at least once a month to clean out cat hair stuck in the fans, sink and so forth.....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184720</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>NoYob</author>
	<datestamp>1258822200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can this actually be legal? Smoking is ( currently at least ) legal, so how can they penalize a smoker?</p></div><p>Because they can. Unless you're a member of a <i>protected class</i>, you can discriminate. For example, retirement homes. They can legally say no one under the age of 50 is allowed - that's what an attorney told me when I asked.</p><p>As I was told by the lawyer, people have this incorrect idea that <i>all</i> discrimination is illegal - it's not. </p><p>Well know protected classes: racial minorities, women are minorities even though they're 51\% of the population, and old people.
</p><p>If you're white, male, and under 40, you're pretty much screwed as far as anti discrimination laws are concerned.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can this actually be legal ?
Smoking is ( currently at least ) legal , so how can they penalize a smoker ? Because they can .
Unless you 're a member of a protected class , you can discriminate .
For example , retirement homes .
They can legally say no one under the age of 50 is allowed - that 's what an attorney told me when I asked.As I was told by the lawyer , people have this incorrect idea that all discrimination is illegal - it 's not .
Well know protected classes : racial minorities , women are minorities even though they 're 51 \ % of the population , and old people .
If you 're white , male , and under 40 , you 're pretty much screwed as far as anti discrimination laws are concerned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can this actually be legal?
Smoking is ( currently at least ) legal, so how can they penalize a smoker?Because they can.
Unless you're a member of a protected class, you can discriminate.
For example, retirement homes.
They can legally say no one under the age of 50 is allowed - that's what an attorney told me when I asked.As I was told by the lawyer, people have this incorrect idea that all discrimination is illegal - it's not.
Well know protected classes: racial minorities, women are minorities even though they're 51\% of the population, and old people.
If you're white, male, and under 40, you're pretty much screwed as far as anti discrimination laws are concerned.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185814</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>BrianRoach</author>
	<datestamp>1258828380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You might actually have a point<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if they also voided warranties for people who owned pets.</p><p>Or lived in dusty climates. Or where computers were used in places like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... motorcycle shops. Or, any of the myriad of conditions that would have the exact same effect on the computer.</p><p>See, this is yet another example of where the logic of singling out one stupid little thing while ignoring 10 million others somehow makes sense.</p><p>I own dogs and live in a high desert climate<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... it requires regular cleaning of the PCs with an air compressor. The fans suck in dog hair like you wouldn't believe, and there's *always* dust here in the summer no matter what you do. I can gauge the "cleaning cycle" by how much the variable speed fans are running in the box (which right now is at "You should really clean me" by the amount of noise coming from the machine)</p><p>I also used to run a motorcycle shop. You should see what those PCs look like after a while, especially the one that's used to run the dynamometer. (Badly running vehicles spit out a lot of soot, not to mention all the other residues from various vapors from cleaning chemicals)</p><p>So<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... exclude everything else that could possibly harm the PC, and you have a point. Otherwise, you're picking one little thing out of many simply because the cause has become a socially unacceptable behaviour.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You might actually have a point ... if they also voided warranties for people who owned pets.Or lived in dusty climates .
Or where computers were used in places like ... motorcycle shops .
Or , any of the myriad of conditions that would have the exact same effect on the computer.See , this is yet another example of where the logic of singling out one stupid little thing while ignoring 10 million others somehow makes sense.I own dogs and live in a high desert climate ... it requires regular cleaning of the PCs with an air compressor .
The fans suck in dog hair like you would n't believe , and there 's * always * dust here in the summer no matter what you do .
I can gauge the " cleaning cycle " by how much the variable speed fans are running in the box ( which right now is at " You should really clean me " by the amount of noise coming from the machine ) I also used to run a motorcycle shop .
You should see what those PCs look like after a while , especially the one that 's used to run the dynamometer .
( Badly running vehicles spit out a lot of soot , not to mention all the other residues from various vapors from cleaning chemicals ) So ... exclude everything else that could possibly harm the PC , and you have a point .
Otherwise , you 're picking one little thing out of many simply because the cause has become a socially unacceptable behaviour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might actually have a point ... if they also voided warranties for people who owned pets.Or lived in dusty climates.
Or where computers were used in places like ... motorcycle shops.
Or, any of the myriad of conditions that would have the exact same effect on the computer.See, this is yet another example of where the logic of singling out one stupid little thing while ignoring 10 million others somehow makes sense.I own dogs and live in a high desert climate ... it requires regular cleaning of the PCs with an air compressor.
The fans suck in dog hair like you wouldn't believe, and there's *always* dust here in the summer no matter what you do.
I can gauge the "cleaning cycle" by how much the variable speed fans are running in the box (which right now is at "You should really clean me" by the amount of noise coming from the machine)I also used to run a motorcycle shop.
You should see what those PCs look like after a while, especially the one that's used to run the dynamometer.
(Badly running vehicles spit out a lot of soot, not to mention all the other residues from various vapors from cleaning chemicals)So ... exclude everything else that could possibly harm the PC, and you have a point.
Otherwise, you're picking one little thing out of many simply because the cause has become a socially unacceptable behaviour.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185044</id>
	<title>anonymous coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258824180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a pipe smoker once suggested to me to add a slice of apple<br>to a opened pack of pipe tobacco, if it dried out to quick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a pipe smoker once suggested to me to add a slice of appleto a opened pack of pipe tobacco , if it dried out to quick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a pipe smoker once suggested to me to add a slice of appleto a opened pack of pipe tobacco, if it dried out to quick.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186900</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>celle</author>
	<datestamp>1258835220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was a tech also. For years, I worked on various consumer electronics including computers and monitors. You're right the residues collect everywhere, and in a concentrated form, all over various components due to years of use. When blowing out the equipment I always made sure I was upwind as breathing in any of that crap would cause several minutes of eye burning and coughing fits. Blowing out anyone's smoke particulate collecting device is like geting years of exposure in a few minutes. Oh, and forget about OSHA, that's for the big companies not small shops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was a tech also .
For years , I worked on various consumer electronics including computers and monitors .
You 're right the residues collect everywhere , and in a concentrated form , all over various components due to years of use .
When blowing out the equipment I always made sure I was upwind as breathing in any of that crap would cause several minutes of eye burning and coughing fits .
Blowing out anyone 's smoke particulate collecting device is like geting years of exposure in a few minutes .
Oh , and forget about OSHA , that 's for the big companies not small shops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was a tech also.
For years, I worked on various consumer electronics including computers and monitors.
You're right the residues collect everywhere, and in a concentrated form, all over various components due to years of use.
When blowing out the equipment I always made sure I was upwind as breathing in any of that crap would cause several minutes of eye burning and coughing fits.
Blowing out anyone's smoke particulate collecting device is like geting years of exposure in a few minutes.
Oh, and forget about OSHA, that's for the big companies not small shops.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185318</id>
	<title>Re:I'm not surprised</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258825500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm going to keep saying it over and over....</p><p>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company<br>Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm going to keep saying it over and over....Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm going to keep saying it over and over....Boycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL companyBoycot Apple until they shrivel up and go away as quickly as possible...They are an EVIL company</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187658</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to deny</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258796880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So if you use your laptop from time to time in a bar they won't honor the warranty?</p><p>That's total crap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So if you use your laptop from time to time in a bar they wo n't honor the warranty ? That 's total crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if you use your laptop from time to time in a bar they won't honor the warranty?That's total crap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190660</id>
	<title>I'm quite sure it's false</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1258820760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can work in environments with extremely dangerous stuff and OSHA is completely fine with it. All they require is that the dangers are disclosed and marked, and that employees have the requisite protection from those dangers. If tobacco residue was a health hazard (it isn't), then all you'd have to do is provide whatever protective gear was needed to mitigate it. Gloves and a mask, probalby.</p><p>That's all OSHA is about. It isn't about making sure everyone works in a clean office environment with no dangers in sight. It is about making sure that people are aware of the dangers in their work environment and have access to the equipment and training needed to mitigate them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can work in environments with extremely dangerous stuff and OSHA is completely fine with it .
All they require is that the dangers are disclosed and marked , and that employees have the requisite protection from those dangers .
If tobacco residue was a health hazard ( it is n't ) , then all you 'd have to do is provide whatever protective gear was needed to mitigate it .
Gloves and a mask , probalby.That 's all OSHA is about .
It is n't about making sure everyone works in a clean office environment with no dangers in sight .
It is about making sure that people are aware of the dangers in their work environment and have access to the equipment and training needed to mitigate them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can work in environments with extremely dangerous stuff and OSHA is completely fine with it.
All they require is that the dangers are disclosed and marked, and that employees have the requisite protection from those dangers.
If tobacco residue was a health hazard (it isn't), then all you'd have to do is provide whatever protective gear was needed to mitigate it.
Gloves and a mask, probalby.That's all OSHA is about.
It isn't about making sure everyone works in a clean office environment with no dangers in sight.
It is about making sure that people are aware of the dangers in their work environment and have access to the equipment and training needed to mitigate them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185078</id>
	<title>Mac-Pro had no problem</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1258824360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An Apple authorized service provider near me (Mac-Pro) has no problem with the cigarette smoke. My airport base station was hung on the wall above a smoker's head for 2 years. The thing was yellow and the insides just reeked of stale cigarette butts.</p><p>They fixed it up. And even offered to take it in exchange for a discount on a newer model if I was unhappy with the discoloration and smell.</p><p>When I worked in an electronic repair shop, we had lots of toxic chemicals we would use to clean people's stereos and tvs and vcrs. You could get all of the yellow gunk and most of the smell off the outside <em>and</em> inside of a device with a little bit of effort. Giving a customer a device back that is fixed <em>and</em> shiny makes them really happy. It's called <b>customer service</b>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An Apple authorized service provider near me ( Mac-Pro ) has no problem with the cigarette smoke .
My airport base station was hung on the wall above a smoker 's head for 2 years .
The thing was yellow and the insides just reeked of stale cigarette butts.They fixed it up .
And even offered to take it in exchange for a discount on a newer model if I was unhappy with the discoloration and smell.When I worked in an electronic repair shop , we had lots of toxic chemicals we would use to clean people 's stereos and tvs and vcrs .
You could get all of the yellow gunk and most of the smell off the outside and inside of a device with a little bit of effort .
Giving a customer a device back that is fixed and shiny makes them really happy .
It 's called customer service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An Apple authorized service provider near me (Mac-Pro) has no problem with the cigarette smoke.
My airport base station was hung on the wall above a smoker's head for 2 years.
The thing was yellow and the insides just reeked of stale cigarette butts.They fixed it up.
And even offered to take it in exchange for a discount on a newer model if I was unhappy with the discoloration and smell.When I worked in an electronic repair shop, we had lots of toxic chemicals we would use to clean people's stereos and tvs and vcrs.
You could get all of the yellow gunk and most of the smell off the outside and inside of a device with a little bit of effort.
Giving a customer a device back that is fixed and shiny makes them really happy.
It's called customer service.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186934</id>
	<title>I hope they can't figure out that I've been...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258835460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope they can't figure out that I've been masturbating near mine.  Sure that means the possibility of exposure to a bit more vibration than normal and the probability of bio-hazards but those aren't listed as voiding the warranty either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope they ca n't figure out that I 've been masturbating near mine .
Sure that means the possibility of exposure to a bit more vibration than normal and the probability of bio-hazards but those are n't listed as voiding the warranty either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope they can't figure out that I've been masturbating near mine.
Sure that means the possibility of exposure to a bit more vibration than normal and the probability of bio-hazards but those aren't listed as voiding the warranty either.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30195956</id>
	<title>Re:What about cat owners?</title>
	<author>Tim C</author>
	<datestamp>1258881780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know that the plural of anecdote isn't data, but I own two cats and my PC (full tower case on the floor under my desk, in an area that doesn't get vacuumed anywhere near as often as it should) doesn't get much hair in it at all. Of course on the flip side, my cats are short-haired (though leave hair on my duvet like no-one's business) and don't tend to go under the desk - if they did that they wouldn't get in my way...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know that the plural of anecdote is n't data , but I own two cats and my PC ( full tower case on the floor under my desk , in an area that does n't get vacuumed anywhere near as often as it should ) does n't get much hair in it at all .
Of course on the flip side , my cats are short-haired ( though leave hair on my duvet like no-one 's business ) and do n't tend to go under the desk - if they did that they would n't get in my way.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know that the plural of anecdote isn't data, but I own two cats and my PC (full tower case on the floor under my desk, in an area that doesn't get vacuumed anywhere near as often as it should) doesn't get much hair in it at all.
Of course on the flip side, my cats are short-haired (though leave hair on my duvet like no-one's business) and don't tend to go under the desk - if they did that they wouldn't get in my way...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184392</id>
	<title>Not all smokers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are not going after cock smokers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are not going after cock smokers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are not going after cock smokers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184580</id>
	<title>So sue them for 3x damages.</title>
	<author>jazzkat</author>
	<datestamp>1258821420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IANAL and this is not legal advice.
<br> <br>
If a 'smoking exclusion' was not in the contract, then they lied to you when they sold the contract, plain and simple.
<br> <br>
Sue them in small claims court for the value of the computer.  If your state is like Ohio and they award 3x damages for a breach of consumer protection act (a breach of contract might trigger this), you could get a nice upgrade.
<br> <br>
If you don't want to go that far at least complain to your state's attorney general.</htmltext>
<tokenext>IANAL and this is not legal advice .
If a 'smoking exclusion ' was not in the contract , then they lied to you when they sold the contract , plain and simple .
Sue them in small claims court for the value of the computer .
If your state is like Ohio and they award 3x damages for a breach of consumer protection act ( a breach of contract might trigger this ) , you could get a nice upgrade .
If you do n't want to go that far at least complain to your state 's attorney general .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IANAL and this is not legal advice.
If a 'smoking exclusion' was not in the contract, then they lied to you when they sold the contract, plain and simple.
Sue them in small claims court for the value of the computer.
If your state is like Ohio and they award 3x damages for a breach of consumer protection act (a breach of contract might trigger this), you could get a nice upgrade.
If you don't want to go that far at least complain to your state's attorney general.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184478</id>
	<title>Hahahaha</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Next thing you know you'll need a doctors note stating you do not have an infectious disease before they honor your warranty.</p><p>Any company is responsible for their employee's health and safety. They're also bound to honor the warranty. So obviously Apple should provide the techs with Hazmat suits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Next thing you know you 'll need a doctors note stating you do not have an infectious disease before they honor your warranty.Any company is responsible for their employee 's health and safety .
They 're also bound to honor the warranty .
So obviously Apple should provide the techs with Hazmat suits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next thing you know you'll need a doctors note stating you do not have an infectious disease before they honor your warranty.Any company is responsible for their employee's health and safety.
They're also bound to honor the warranty.
So obviously Apple should provide the techs with Hazmat suits.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184992</id>
	<title>If you're smoking...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258823880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you begin smoking, then there is not one bit of you that has any respect for humanity and the world you live in. Smoking is 100\% egocentric, you do it because other people do it and you want to be "cool" like them - very cool of you, wanting to be like people who smoke, rob, vandalize cars, and otherwise are completely without respect. There is no possible way at all that one can start smoking and have respect for anyone. And there is no good excuse for starting it, because there simply is no reason to do it. It stinks and does not have the pleasurable effects of, say, cannabis. So, good riddance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you begin smoking , then there is not one bit of you that has any respect for humanity and the world you live in .
Smoking is 100 \ % egocentric , you do it because other people do it and you want to be " cool " like them - very cool of you , wanting to be like people who smoke , rob , vandalize cars , and otherwise are completely without respect .
There is no possible way at all that one can start smoking and have respect for anyone .
And there is no good excuse for starting it , because there simply is no reason to do it .
It stinks and does not have the pleasurable effects of , say , cannabis .
So , good riddance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you begin smoking, then there is not one bit of you that has any respect for humanity and the world you live in.
Smoking is 100\% egocentric, you do it because other people do it and you want to be "cool" like them - very cool of you, wanting to be like people who smoke, rob, vandalize cars, and otherwise are completely without respect.
There is no possible way at all that one can start smoking and have respect for anyone.
And there is no good excuse for starting it, because there simply is no reason to do it.
It stinks and does not have the pleasurable effects of, say, cannabis.
So, good riddance.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185698</id>
	<title>Re:yes and no</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258827660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would something like hantavirus be "biohazard crap?"<br>I worked in a local beige box shop as a bench tech years ago.<br>A machine came in for service which was quite dusty, nothing unusual so far.<br>When we opened the case there was a dead mouse inside, droppings, and smell of piss/ammonia.</p><p>The VP of the company (who was in that shop at the time) told us to put the machine outside behind the store, everyone involved wash their hands and clean the counters where the machine had been, and call the customer to come get it as we would not work on it until it was cleaned and sanitized and it would sit outside until they came to get it, regardless of the weather.<br>This stance (which I agreed with) from a company which offered free lifetime service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would something like hantavirus be " biohazard crap ?
" I worked in a local beige box shop as a bench tech years ago.A machine came in for service which was quite dusty , nothing unusual so far.When we opened the case there was a dead mouse inside , droppings , and smell of piss/ammonia.The VP of the company ( who was in that shop at the time ) told us to put the machine outside behind the store , everyone involved wash their hands and clean the counters where the machine had been , and call the customer to come get it as we would not work on it until it was cleaned and sanitized and it would sit outside until they came to get it , regardless of the weather.This stance ( which I agreed with ) from a company which offered free lifetime service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would something like hantavirus be "biohazard crap?
"I worked in a local beige box shop as a bench tech years ago.A machine came in for service which was quite dusty, nothing unusual so far.When we opened the case there was a dead mouse inside, droppings, and smell of piss/ammonia.The VP of the company (who was in that shop at the time) told us to put the machine outside behind the store, everyone involved wash their hands and clean the counters where the machine had been, and call the customer to come get it as we would not work on it until it was cleaned and sanitized and it would sit outside until they came to get it, regardless of the weather.This stance (which I agreed with) from a company which offered free lifetime service.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185816</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to deny</title>
	<author>ph43thon</author>
	<datestamp>1258828440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Same as it would be gross to smoke a turkey inside or any number of things..."</p><p>Somehow... that just feels like a lead-in to a good joke..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Same as it would be gross to smoke a turkey inside or any number of things... " Somehow... that just feels like a lead-in to a good joke. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Same as it would be gross to smoke a turkey inside or any number of things..."Somehow... that just feels like a lead-in to a good joke..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184862</id>
	<title>Apple trying to copy the cell phone companies</title>
	<author>HockeyPuck</author>
	<datestamp>1258823040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my contract with ATT for my cell phone, it clearly states that the warranty does not cover any damage due to water.  In fact there's a white sticker on the inside that turns colored if it gets wet.</p><p>Apple should be putting all sorts of detection stickers inside their cases, and modifying the warranty on new purchases.</p><p>I've worked on old computers all my life, and you can bet if it looks dusty from the outside, it's probably a lot worse on the inside, I always wear a mask when opening those up.  Apple just doesn't want to pay for masks/gloves/glasses (aka safety equipment).</p><p>What would happen if you bought a second hand computer which was owned by a smoker and then brought it in for repair?  Does apple have a qualification program to determine if your computer is able to be qualified by their AppleCare program?  Is it like health insurance whereby you need to visit your Dr. to get a clean bill of health before some insurance company will cover you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my contract with ATT for my cell phone , it clearly states that the warranty does not cover any damage due to water .
In fact there 's a white sticker on the inside that turns colored if it gets wet.Apple should be putting all sorts of detection stickers inside their cases , and modifying the warranty on new purchases.I 've worked on old computers all my life , and you can bet if it looks dusty from the outside , it 's probably a lot worse on the inside , I always wear a mask when opening those up .
Apple just does n't want to pay for masks/gloves/glasses ( aka safety equipment ) .What would happen if you bought a second hand computer which was owned by a smoker and then brought it in for repair ?
Does apple have a qualification program to determine if your computer is able to be qualified by their AppleCare program ?
Is it like health insurance whereby you need to visit your Dr. to get a clean bill of health before some insurance company will cover you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my contract with ATT for my cell phone, it clearly states that the warranty does not cover any damage due to water.
In fact there's a white sticker on the inside that turns colored if it gets wet.Apple should be putting all sorts of detection stickers inside their cases, and modifying the warranty on new purchases.I've worked on old computers all my life, and you can bet if it looks dusty from the outside, it's probably a lot worse on the inside, I always wear a mask when opening those up.
Apple just doesn't want to pay for masks/gloves/glasses (aka safety equipment).What would happen if you bought a second hand computer which was owned by a smoker and then brought it in for repair?
Does apple have a qualification program to determine if your computer is able to be qualified by their AppleCare program?
Is it like health insurance whereby you need to visit your Dr. to get a clean bill of health before some insurance company will cover you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188920</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to deny</title>
	<author>ZeRu</author>
	<datestamp>1258805340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I smoke only on my balcony, but are you sure that would save me from Apple's idiocy? If you sent them your computer and they knew you're a smoker, they would probably outright refuse to open it, claiming it would endanger the health of their employees. You can say you don't smoke near your computer all you want but it wouldn't change anything (maybe you'll only provoke them to tell you to leave the store so they don't get a lung cancer by merely looking at you).</p><p>Of course I could be wrong and customers in question could have one of the filthiest computers on the world, in which case I could understand Apple's decision. But there are no screenshots to prove that and based from what I know of this story, of Apple and of treatment of smokers in the USA, I think it's far more likely they're putting all smokers in the same basket.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I smoke only on my balcony , but are you sure that would save me from Apple 's idiocy ?
If you sent them your computer and they knew you 're a smoker , they would probably outright refuse to open it , claiming it would endanger the health of their employees .
You can say you do n't smoke near your computer all you want but it would n't change anything ( maybe you 'll only provoke them to tell you to leave the store so they do n't get a lung cancer by merely looking at you ) .Of course I could be wrong and customers in question could have one of the filthiest computers on the world , in which case I could understand Apple 's decision .
But there are no screenshots to prove that and based from what I know of this story , of Apple and of treatment of smokers in the USA , I think it 's far more likely they 're putting all smokers in the same basket .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I smoke only on my balcony, but are you sure that would save me from Apple's idiocy?
If you sent them your computer and they knew you're a smoker, they would probably outright refuse to open it, claiming it would endanger the health of their employees.
You can say you don't smoke near your computer all you want but it wouldn't change anything (maybe you'll only provoke them to tell you to leave the store so they don't get a lung cancer by merely looking at you).Of course I could be wrong and customers in question could have one of the filthiest computers on the world, in which case I could understand Apple's decision.
But there are no screenshots to prove that and based from what I know of this story, of Apple and of treatment of smokers in the USA, I think it's far more likely they're putting all smokers in the same basket.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190256</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to deny</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258816140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pissing in a dish near the air vents on your computer is also legal, and I am sure someone likes to do it.  It doesn't mean that it is Apple's job to pay for doing such stupid stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pissing in a dish near the air vents on your computer is also legal , and I am sure someone likes to do it .
It does n't mean that it is Apple 's job to pay for doing such stupid stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pissing in a dish near the air vents on your computer is also legal, and I am sure someone likes to do it.
It doesn't mean that it is Apple's job to pay for doing such stupid stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30195504</id>
	<title>Have to see pictures of the machines</title>
	<author>aaron\_pet</author>
	<datestamp>1258921500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look, if somebody has made their computer totally nasty by using it as an ashtray,<br>1. That should void the warranty because customer gross negligence damaged it... you don't blow particulate matter into a computer!<br>2.  If the computer has fine soot all about it, don't touch it.</p><p>I suspect that the computers were saturated with cigarette smoke, and There should be a way to charge the customer for rediculous clean up... 40 dollars an hour plus materials for Personal protective equipment.</p><p>Some goggles and a mask and a special cardboard box with venting -- vacuum attached...</p><p>I do feel sorry for the people who contaminated their computers...<br>1. They are such dumb asses<br>2.  They probably are about to loose a lot of data, and should have an option to pay to have the damn thing cleaned.</p><p>Apple should make a note in their legalese... unless they already have something that covers it...<br>certain Exposure to particulate matter may void your warrenty, and or have a break-even cost to clean price associated with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , if somebody has made their computer totally nasty by using it as an ashtray,1 .
That should void the warranty because customer gross negligence damaged it... you do n't blow particulate matter into a computer ! 2 .
If the computer has fine soot all about it , do n't touch it.I suspect that the computers were saturated with cigarette smoke , and There should be a way to charge the customer for rediculous clean up... 40 dollars an hour plus materials for Personal protective equipment.Some goggles and a mask and a special cardboard box with venting -- vacuum attached...I do feel sorry for the people who contaminated their computers...1 .
They are such dumb asses2 .
They probably are about to loose a lot of data , and should have an option to pay to have the damn thing cleaned.Apple should make a note in their legalese... unless they already have something that covers it...certain Exposure to particulate matter may void your warrenty , and or have a break-even cost to clean price associated with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, if somebody has made their computer totally nasty by using it as an ashtray,1.
That should void the warranty because customer gross negligence damaged it... you don't blow particulate matter into a computer!2.
If the computer has fine soot all about it, don't touch it.I suspect that the computers were saturated with cigarette smoke, and There should be a way to charge the customer for rediculous clean up... 40 dollars an hour plus materials for Personal protective equipment.Some goggles and a mask and a special cardboard box with venting -- vacuum attached...I do feel sorry for the people who contaminated their computers...1.
They are such dumb asses2.
They probably are about to loose a lot of data, and should have an option to pay to have the damn thing cleaned.Apple should make a note in their legalese... unless they already have something that covers it...certain Exposure to particulate matter may void your warrenty, and or have a break-even cost to clean price associated with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30193772</id>
	<title>Re:I'm not surprised</title>
	<author>Cederic</author>
	<datestamp>1258908660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>maintains their reputation as the most customer friendly consumer electronics company.</p></div><p>What reputation? I know a lot of people that refuse to buy Apple products precisely because they have a reputation of being very consumer unfriendly.</p><p>"Do it the Apple way or go fuck yourself" is not consumer friendly.</p><p>That they continue to boost sales is because they have some good products and some excellent marketing. It's got nothing to do with consumer friendliness.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>maintains their reputation as the most customer friendly consumer electronics company.What reputation ?
I know a lot of people that refuse to buy Apple products precisely because they have a reputation of being very consumer unfriendly .
" Do it the Apple way or go fuck yourself " is not consumer friendly.That they continue to boost sales is because they have some good products and some excellent marketing .
It 's got nothing to do with consumer friendliness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maintains their reputation as the most customer friendly consumer electronics company.What reputation?
I know a lot of people that refuse to buy Apple products precisely because they have a reputation of being very consumer unfriendly.
"Do it the Apple way or go fuck yourself" is not consumer friendly.That they continue to boost sales is because they have some good products and some excellent marketing.
It's got nothing to do with consumer friendliness.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187040</id>
	<title>Re:Ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258836180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't understand why so many people are confused about warranties.  They are not a get out of jail free card for repairs.  Almost every warranty I have ever seen only applies to manufacturer defects, and specifically denies claims arising out of normal wear and tear, or anything else not relating to an error during production.  Apple specifically states their warranty does not cover damage caused by accident, abuse, neglect, misuse, extreme environment, extreme physical or electrical stress, lightning, static electricity, fire, acts of God, or other external causes.  They do not cover cosmetic damage, or defects caused by normal wear and tear, or otherwise due to normal aging of the product.

Regardless of anyones feelings about smoking, damage from tar buildup is in no way a factory defect, and as a repair technician I fully support Apple in refusing service to these machines.  If I had photos handy to show the damage tar does to a PC, I'd share them.  It's not unheard of for the tar to build up to 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch.  It will cause fans to clog and fail completely, causing heat related damage to CPU's, GPU's and chipsets.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand why so many people are confused about warranties .
They are not a get out of jail free card for repairs .
Almost every warranty I have ever seen only applies to manufacturer defects , and specifically denies claims arising out of normal wear and tear , or anything else not relating to an error during production .
Apple specifically states their warranty does not cover damage caused by accident , abuse , neglect , misuse , extreme environment , extreme physical or electrical stress , lightning , static electricity , fire , acts of God , or other external causes .
They do not cover cosmetic damage , or defects caused by normal wear and tear , or otherwise due to normal aging of the product .
Regardless of anyones feelings about smoking , damage from tar buildup is in no way a factory defect , and as a repair technician I fully support Apple in refusing service to these machines .
If I had photos handy to show the damage tar does to a PC , I 'd share them .
It 's not unheard of for the tar to build up to 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch .
It will cause fans to clog and fail completely , causing heat related damage to CPU 's , GPU 's and chipsets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand why so many people are confused about warranties.
They are not a get out of jail free card for repairs.
Almost every warranty I have ever seen only applies to manufacturer defects, and specifically denies claims arising out of normal wear and tear, or anything else not relating to an error during production.
Apple specifically states their warranty does not cover damage caused by accident, abuse, neglect, misuse, extreme environment, extreme physical or electrical stress, lightning, static electricity, fire, acts of God, or other external causes.
They do not cover cosmetic damage, or defects caused by normal wear and tear, or otherwise due to normal aging of the product.
Regardless of anyones feelings about smoking, damage from tar buildup is in no way a factory defect, and as a repair technician I fully support Apple in refusing service to these machines.
If I had photos handy to show the damage tar does to a PC, I'd share them.
It's not unheard of for the tar to build up to 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch.
It will cause fans to clog and fail completely, causing heat related damage to CPU's, GPU's and chipsets.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184926</id>
	<title>Arcade Machine Nostalgia</title>
	<author>Kartoffel</author>
	<datestamp>1258823460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This article made me nostalgic for arcade machines with cigarette burns in certain locations on them.  On some games, you'd balance your butt on the edge of the cabinet.  Other games' ergonomics seemed to favor keeping the cig between your fingers and would get brown burn marks next to the most common buttons.</p><p>Yeah, sonny.  In my day we had to walk to the arcade to play games.  Sometimes through the snow.  And when we got there, people SMOKED inside.  So get off my lawn^H^H^H^Hgame.... didn't you see the quarter I put on it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This article made me nostalgic for arcade machines with cigarette burns in certain locations on them .
On some games , you 'd balance your butt on the edge of the cabinet .
Other games ' ergonomics seemed to favor keeping the cig between your fingers and would get brown burn marks next to the most common buttons.Yeah , sonny .
In my day we had to walk to the arcade to play games .
Sometimes through the snow .
And when we got there , people SMOKED inside .
So get off my lawn ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ Hgame.... did n't you see the quarter I put on it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This article made me nostalgic for arcade machines with cigarette burns in certain locations on them.
On some games, you'd balance your butt on the edge of the cabinet.
Other games' ergonomics seemed to favor keeping the cig between your fingers and would get brown burn marks next to the most common buttons.Yeah, sonny.
In my day we had to walk to the arcade to play games.
Sometimes through the snow.
And when we got there, people SMOKED inside.
So get off my lawn^H^H^H^Hgame.... didn't you see the quarter I put on it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184406</id>
	<title>is semen a biohazard?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>would they not work on ipods that were listened to during sex?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>would they not work on ipods that were listened to during sex ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>would they not work on ipods that were listened to during sex?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185820</id>
	<title>Had this happen a long time ago</title>
	<author>SuperQ</author>
	<datestamp>1258828500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back when I was in high school I worked as a tech at a used computer store.  A mac LCII came in for trade in and it was fairly yellow from smoke.  I opened it up and it was completely caked on the inside.  I'm not sure how the cooling fan survived that much gummy smoke dust.  I closed the lid and refused to accept it for trade in.  The sales drones weren't happy, but the store manager agreed that we wouldn't take it.</p><p>Nasty stuff.  I wouldn't want to work on computers who have been around smokers.  Some people don't realize how disgusting the greasy brown goo is that covers everything around them where they smoke.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back when I was in high school I worked as a tech at a used computer store .
A mac LCII came in for trade in and it was fairly yellow from smoke .
I opened it up and it was completely caked on the inside .
I 'm not sure how the cooling fan survived that much gummy smoke dust .
I closed the lid and refused to accept it for trade in .
The sales drones were n't happy , but the store manager agreed that we would n't take it.Nasty stuff .
I would n't want to work on computers who have been around smokers .
Some people do n't realize how disgusting the greasy brown goo is that covers everything around them where they smoke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back when I was in high school I worked as a tech at a used computer store.
A mac LCII came in for trade in and it was fairly yellow from smoke.
I opened it up and it was completely caked on the inside.
I'm not sure how the cooling fan survived that much gummy smoke dust.
I closed the lid and refused to accept it for trade in.
The sales drones weren't happy, but the store manager agreed that we wouldn't take it.Nasty stuff.
I wouldn't want to work on computers who have been around smokers.
Some people don't realize how disgusting the greasy brown goo is that covers everything around them where they smoke.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186224</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258831200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're correct, smoke and tar is bad for most things.  If it can be demonstrated to cause the failure, they don't have to repair it in my opinion.</p><p>You're also an idiot for the second-hand smoke statement.  Stop puppeting back out what other idiots pushing an agenda through lies feed you.  Get a clue, learn some facts, stop reading truth.com and repeating what Al Gore says.</p><p>However, Apple isn't repairing the machines claiming its an OSHA violation.  The claim is that its unhealthy for the repair techs.  That is bullshit.  Computers are FILLED with hazardous components. Do you know how many things in the power supply alone can cause cancer?  Apple is claiming that it would violate OSHA so they can't work on it.  Its Apples problem to protect their employees from hazardous materials, not the customer.</p><p>The should have simply left the health hazard bullshit out of the reply emails and left it with the previously stated facts which were more than enough reason to not repair the machines.  Ash and tar are bad for unprotected motherboards, clog heat sinks and gum up fans.  Done.  Those are true statements and given enough of them, a PC can fail.  It can also fail from dust, pet hair, dead skin cells and all sorts of other stuff.  IF there was enough in there to cause failure then fine don't repair it.  Claiming an OSHA violation is bullshit.  Its their responsibility to protect their employees.  Its also their responsibility to produce hardware capable of withstanding a typical operating environment or lose customers for it.</p><p>If Apple told me they wouldn't repair my MBP because it was full of pet hair and it caused things to fail, I'd probably be okay with it.  Of course, I'd take it apart myself to verify it, but then I'd have cleaned it out before I took it to them anyway.  If they come back to me and claim its 'unsafe' then I'm going to have a problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're correct , smoke and tar is bad for most things .
If it can be demonstrated to cause the failure , they do n't have to repair it in my opinion.You 're also an idiot for the second-hand smoke statement .
Stop puppeting back out what other idiots pushing an agenda through lies feed you .
Get a clue , learn some facts , stop reading truth.com and repeating what Al Gore says.However , Apple is n't repairing the machines claiming its an OSHA violation .
The claim is that its unhealthy for the repair techs .
That is bullshit .
Computers are FILLED with hazardous components .
Do you know how many things in the power supply alone can cause cancer ?
Apple is claiming that it would violate OSHA so they ca n't work on it .
Its Apples problem to protect their employees from hazardous materials , not the customer.The should have simply left the health hazard bullshit out of the reply emails and left it with the previously stated facts which were more than enough reason to not repair the machines .
Ash and tar are bad for unprotected motherboards , clog heat sinks and gum up fans .
Done. Those are true statements and given enough of them , a PC can fail .
It can also fail from dust , pet hair , dead skin cells and all sorts of other stuff .
IF there was enough in there to cause failure then fine do n't repair it .
Claiming an OSHA violation is bullshit .
Its their responsibility to protect their employees .
Its also their responsibility to produce hardware capable of withstanding a typical operating environment or lose customers for it.If Apple told me they would n't repair my MBP because it was full of pet hair and it caused things to fail , I 'd probably be okay with it .
Of course , I 'd take it apart myself to verify it , but then I 'd have cleaned it out before I took it to them anyway .
If they come back to me and claim its 'unsafe ' then I 'm going to have a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're correct, smoke and tar is bad for most things.
If it can be demonstrated to cause the failure, they don't have to repair it in my opinion.You're also an idiot for the second-hand smoke statement.
Stop puppeting back out what other idiots pushing an agenda through lies feed you.
Get a clue, learn some facts, stop reading truth.com and repeating what Al Gore says.However, Apple isn't repairing the machines claiming its an OSHA violation.
The claim is that its unhealthy for the repair techs.
That is bullshit.
Computers are FILLED with hazardous components.
Do you know how many things in the power supply alone can cause cancer?
Apple is claiming that it would violate OSHA so they can't work on it.
Its Apples problem to protect their employees from hazardous materials, not the customer.The should have simply left the health hazard bullshit out of the reply emails and left it with the previously stated facts which were more than enough reason to not repair the machines.
Ash and tar are bad for unprotected motherboards, clog heat sinks and gum up fans.
Done.  Those are true statements and given enough of them, a PC can fail.
It can also fail from dust, pet hair, dead skin cells and all sorts of other stuff.
IF there was enough in there to cause failure then fine don't repair it.
Claiming an OSHA violation is bullshit.
Its their responsibility to protect their employees.
Its also their responsibility to produce hardware capable of withstanding a typical operating environment or lose customers for it.If Apple told me they wouldn't repair my MBP because it was full of pet hair and it caused things to fail, I'd probably be okay with it.
Of course, I'd take it apart myself to verify it, but then I'd have cleaned it out before I took it to them anyway.
If they come back to me and claim its 'unsafe' then I'm going to have a problem.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186180</id>
	<title>I'm a pretty rabid anti-smoker...</title>
	<author>CountBrass</author>
	<datestamp>1258830900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...mainly because they're selfish and inconsiderate fuckers.<br><br>But this is going a too far: I see a law suit coming. Any health and safety issues are Apple's problem, not the purchaser's. Apple knows some people who buy their kit are smokers and if there's a genuine health and safety issue with servicing those machines then it's up to Apple to provide the safe environment in which to do so.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...mainly because they 're selfish and inconsiderate fuckers.But this is going a too far : I see a law suit coming .
Any health and safety issues are Apple 's problem , not the purchaser 's .
Apple knows some people who buy their kit are smokers and if there 's a genuine health and safety issue with servicing those machines then it 's up to Apple to provide the safe environment in which to do so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...mainly because they're selfish and inconsiderate fuckers.But this is going a too far: I see a law suit coming.
Any health and safety issues are Apple's problem, not the purchaser's.
Apple knows some people who buy their kit are smokers and if there's a genuine health and safety issue with servicing those machines then it's up to Apple to provide the safe environment in which to do so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187104</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>anyGould</author>
	<datestamp>1258836540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>

So my fendangled point was, it is not fair for Apple, or any computer company to have to honor warranty claims for computers that were subjected to the abuse of a smoker, as the hardware was subjected to environmental conditions that was not in any of the designed intended use.  For example, if I put my computer through a dish washer, they would have the equal right to not honor my warranty claim, as I 'intentionally damaged' it in much the same way.

I would like to see other companies start doing this too.. Buy a car? Did you smoke in it ? Oh, now it has no resale value, sorry.</p></div><p>Problem is, "being exposed to ambient air" is part of it's intended use. If you void your warranty by having it exposed to cigarette smoke (and if so, how much is "too much"?), what about smoke from stovetops? Fireplaces? Smog? Poupourri?</p><p>Until the day comes when they ban smoking (and personally, I'm OK with that being tomorrow), smoke is part of the "ambient air" - people are allowed to smoke in their homes, which makes it part of "intended use" for home electronics.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So my fendangled point was , it is not fair for Apple , or any computer company to have to honor warranty claims for computers that were subjected to the abuse of a smoker , as the hardware was subjected to environmental conditions that was not in any of the designed intended use .
For example , if I put my computer through a dish washer , they would have the equal right to not honor my warranty claim , as I 'intentionally damaged ' it in much the same way .
I would like to see other companies start doing this too.. Buy a car ?
Did you smoke in it ?
Oh , now it has no resale value , sorry.Problem is , " being exposed to ambient air " is part of it 's intended use .
If you void your warranty by having it exposed to cigarette smoke ( and if so , how much is " too much " ?
) , what about smoke from stovetops ?
Fireplaces ? Smog ?
Poupourri ? Until the day comes when they ban smoking ( and personally , I 'm OK with that being tomorrow ) , smoke is part of the " ambient air " - people are allowed to smoke in their homes , which makes it part of " intended use " for home electronics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

So my fendangled point was, it is not fair for Apple, or any computer company to have to honor warranty claims for computers that were subjected to the abuse of a smoker, as the hardware was subjected to environmental conditions that was not in any of the designed intended use.
For example, if I put my computer through a dish washer, they would have the equal right to not honor my warranty claim, as I 'intentionally damaged' it in much the same way.
I would like to see other companies start doing this too.. Buy a car?
Did you smoke in it ?
Oh, now it has no resale value, sorry.Problem is, "being exposed to ambient air" is part of it's intended use.
If you void your warranty by having it exposed to cigarette smoke (and if so, how much is "too much"?
), what about smoke from stovetops?
Fireplaces? Smog?
Poupourri?Until the day comes when they ban smoking (and personally, I'm OK with that being tomorrow), smoke is part of the "ambient air" - people are allowed to smoke in their homes, which makes it part of "intended use" for home electronics.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184818</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258822800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're an enormous fag. Pull your head out of your fucking ass. I don't like the smell of smoke just as much as the next non-smoker, but "second-hand hazardous smoke filled PCs" is a load of bullshit. Oh mah god, there's smoking residue on this Mac! Spray some fucking febreze and do your job.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're an enormous fag .
Pull your head out of your fucking ass .
I do n't like the smell of smoke just as much as the next non-smoker , but " second-hand hazardous smoke filled PCs " is a load of bullshit .
Oh mah god , there 's smoking residue on this Mac !
Spray some fucking febreze and do your job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're an enormous fag.
Pull your head out of your fucking ass.
I don't like the smell of smoke just as much as the next non-smoker, but "second-hand hazardous smoke filled PCs" is a load of bullshit.
Oh mah god, there's smoking residue on this Mac!
Spray some fucking febreze and do your job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30204696</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1259006460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They do exclude all of those. http://www.apple.com/legal/warranty/</p><p>excerpt, emphasis mine:<br>This warranty does not apply:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... (d) to damage caused by accident, abuse, \_misuse\_, flood, fire, earthquake or other external causes;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do exclude all of those .
http : //www.apple.com/legal/warranty/excerpt , emphasis mine : This warranty does not apply : ... ( d ) to damage caused by accident , abuse , \ _misuse \ _ , flood , fire , earthquake or other external causes ;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They do exclude all of those.
http://www.apple.com/legal/warranty/excerpt, emphasis mine:This warranty does not apply: ... (d) to damage caused by accident, abuse, \_misuse\_, flood, fire, earthquake or other external causes;</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184494</id>
	<title>The "I Blame The Government" Excuse</title>
	<author>squiggleslash</author>
	<datestamp>1258821000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...is something I'm getting increasingly tired of hearing.
</p><p>
Sometimes laws have unintentional negative consequences, but most of the "Oh, we can't do this any more, because the government has a rule that says {X}" is generally BS. Case in point, no banks offer fixed rate credit cards.
</p><p>
Wanna know why? Want to know why banks don't offer fixed rate credit cards, that is, credit cards whose interest rate doesn't change? Want to know why they've all withdrawn them, the credit cards they had with fixed rates? Want to know?
</p><p>
Are you sitting down?
</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...it's because, claim the credit card companies, the government has banned them from varying the rates of a fixed rate credit card more than once a year.
</p><p>
You heard that right: the credit card companies, and their obedient apologists in the right wing media, claim that the reason they can't offer fixed rate credit cards is because they can't vary the rate of a fixed rate credit card... very often.
</p><p>
Yeah, the government's to blame for that one. Right.
</p><p>
Sarbanes Oxley? What businesses except Apple don't offer free "good will" gifts from time to time to their existing customer base, that previously did so? And what's the clause in SO anyway that bans businesses from traditional goodwill accounting? What's that? It doesn't exist? Damn right it doesn't exist!
</p><p>
And now OSHA is banning Apple from working on laptops contaminated with tobacco smoke? Quite honestly, even for Apple, it seems like a stretch to me. I'm inclined to assume it's probably false, but it's not going to completely surprise me, given the above, if Apple reveals it's true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...is something I 'm getting increasingly tired of hearing .
Sometimes laws have unintentional negative consequences , but most of the " Oh , we ca n't do this any more , because the government has a rule that says { X } " is generally BS .
Case in point , no banks offer fixed rate credit cards .
Wan na know why ?
Want to know why banks do n't offer fixed rate credit cards , that is , credit cards whose interest rate does n't change ?
Want to know why they 've all withdrawn them , the credit cards they had with fixed rates ?
Want to know ?
Are you sitting down ?
...it 's because , claim the credit card companies , the government has banned them from varying the rates of a fixed rate credit card more than once a year .
You heard that right : the credit card companies , and their obedient apologists in the right wing media , claim that the reason they ca n't offer fixed rate credit cards is because they ca n't vary the rate of a fixed rate credit card... very often .
Yeah , the government 's to blame for that one .
Right . Sarbanes Oxley ?
What businesses except Apple do n't offer free " good will " gifts from time to time to their existing customer base , that previously did so ?
And what 's the clause in SO anyway that bans businesses from traditional goodwill accounting ?
What 's that ?
It does n't exist ?
Damn right it does n't exist !
And now OSHA is banning Apple from working on laptops contaminated with tobacco smoke ?
Quite honestly , even for Apple , it seems like a stretch to me .
I 'm inclined to assume it 's probably false , but it 's not going to completely surprise me , given the above , if Apple reveals it 's true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...is something I'm getting increasingly tired of hearing.
Sometimes laws have unintentional negative consequences, but most of the "Oh, we can't do this any more, because the government has a rule that says {X}" is generally BS.
Case in point, no banks offer fixed rate credit cards.
Wanna know why?
Want to know why banks don't offer fixed rate credit cards, that is, credit cards whose interest rate doesn't change?
Want to know why they've all withdrawn them, the credit cards they had with fixed rates?
Want to know?
Are you sitting down?
...it's because, claim the credit card companies, the government has banned them from varying the rates of a fixed rate credit card more than once a year.
You heard that right: the credit card companies, and their obedient apologists in the right wing media, claim that the reason they can't offer fixed rate credit cards is because they can't vary the rate of a fixed rate credit card... very often.
Yeah, the government's to blame for that one.
Right.

Sarbanes Oxley?
What businesses except Apple don't offer free "good will" gifts from time to time to their existing customer base, that previously did so?
And what's the clause in SO anyway that bans businesses from traditional goodwill accounting?
What's that?
It doesn't exist?
Damn right it doesn't exist!
And now OSHA is banning Apple from working on laptops contaminated with tobacco smoke?
Quite honestly, even for Apple, it seems like a stretch to me.
I'm inclined to assume it's probably false, but it's not going to completely surprise me, given the above, if Apple reveals it's true.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186634</id>
	<title>Sheep shouldn't complain...</title>
	<author>killfixx</author>
	<datestamp>1258833600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering the exaggerated cost vs. functionality of Apple products (similar to Sony or Ralph Lauren), people who are snubbed by a blatantly self-serving company shouldn't be offended. What people should be upset by is the militant stance of non-smokers and how "PC" it's become to cow-tow to them. This attitude is just another example of trading freedom for security. Fuck your security. If you can't protect yourself from ignorance, it shouldn't be my job to give up my freedoms to shield you. We've become a species governed by reverse Darwinism, only the weak get what they want. Reach deep and find your balls (metaphorical), stop bitching and forcing your opinions about how I should live my life.</p><p>You should be free to live with your own mistakes and triumphs. Just don't expect me to suffer for them.</p><p>Apple has an obligation to repair broken parts. There is no warning or clause that covers cigarette tar and it's effects on the inner-workings of your computer. Also, will they repair your computer of it's damaged by a virus or willful acts of ignorance?</p><p>Take some fucking responsibility.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering the exaggerated cost vs. functionality of Apple products ( similar to Sony or Ralph Lauren ) , people who are snubbed by a blatantly self-serving company should n't be offended .
What people should be upset by is the militant stance of non-smokers and how " PC " it 's become to cow-tow to them .
This attitude is just another example of trading freedom for security .
Fuck your security .
If you ca n't protect yourself from ignorance , it should n't be my job to give up my freedoms to shield you .
We 've become a species governed by reverse Darwinism , only the weak get what they want .
Reach deep and find your balls ( metaphorical ) , stop bitching and forcing your opinions about how I should live my life.You should be free to live with your own mistakes and triumphs .
Just do n't expect me to suffer for them.Apple has an obligation to repair broken parts .
There is no warning or clause that covers cigarette tar and it 's effects on the inner-workings of your computer .
Also , will they repair your computer of it 's damaged by a virus or willful acts of ignorance ? Take some fucking responsibility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering the exaggerated cost vs. functionality of Apple products (similar to Sony or Ralph Lauren), people who are snubbed by a blatantly self-serving company shouldn't be offended.
What people should be upset by is the militant stance of non-smokers and how "PC" it's become to cow-tow to them.
This attitude is just another example of trading freedom for security.
Fuck your security.
If you can't protect yourself from ignorance, it shouldn't be my job to give up my freedoms to shield you.
We've become a species governed by reverse Darwinism, only the weak get what they want.
Reach deep and find your balls (metaphorical), stop bitching and forcing your opinions about how I should live my life.You should be free to live with your own mistakes and triumphs.
Just don't expect me to suffer for them.Apple has an obligation to repair broken parts.
There is no warning or clause that covers cigarette tar and it's effects on the inner-workings of your computer.
Also, will they repair your computer of it's damaged by a virus or willful acts of ignorance?Take some fucking responsibility.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30189124</id>
	<title>Re:Wash it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258806720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've worked in a computer store and we would occasionally be given a PC to fix which has obviously come from a household of heavy smokers.</p><p>When I say obviously, the insides were covered in and smelt heavily of tobacco smoke residue. We had to give them back to the customers because 1) It was absolutely disgusting to work on, and 2) there was a good chance that the issues experienced were due to corrosion that was apparent from the smoke residue. Any sort of cooling fan just sucks it in.</p><p>If it was actually one of the boxes we sold, I would have voided the warrenty as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've worked in a computer store and we would occasionally be given a PC to fix which has obviously come from a household of heavy smokers.When I say obviously , the insides were covered in and smelt heavily of tobacco smoke residue .
We had to give them back to the customers because 1 ) It was absolutely disgusting to work on , and 2 ) there was a good chance that the issues experienced were due to corrosion that was apparent from the smoke residue .
Any sort of cooling fan just sucks it in.If it was actually one of the boxes we sold , I would have voided the warrenty as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've worked in a computer store and we would occasionally be given a PC to fix which has obviously come from a household of heavy smokers.When I say obviously, the insides were covered in and smelt heavily of tobacco smoke residue.
We had to give them back to the customers because 1) It was absolutely disgusting to work on, and 2) there was a good chance that the issues experienced were due to corrosion that was apparent from the smoke residue.
Any sort of cooling fan just sucks it in.If it was actually one of the boxes we sold, I would have voided the warrenty as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30202360</id>
	<title>Re:What about marijuna smoke?</title>
	<author>BiggoronSword</author>
	<datestamp>1258993440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know why parent was modded down.  It's absolutely correct and on-topic.  Almost every single person I know who owns an Apple, smokes pot.  Even most of the people who work at the local Apple Store toke up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know why parent was modded down .
It 's absolutely correct and on-topic .
Almost every single person I know who owns an Apple , smokes pot .
Even most of the people who work at the local Apple Store toke up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know why parent was modded down.
It's absolutely correct and on-topic.
Almost every single person I know who owns an Apple, smokes pot.
Even most of the people who work at the local Apple Store toke up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184770</id>
	<title>Re:yes and no</title>
	<author>NEDHead</author>
	<datestamp>1258822440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple - So Easy Even A Smoker Can Do It</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple - So Easy Even A Smoker Can Do It</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple - So Easy Even A Smoker Can Do It</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184744</id>
	<title>a..holes</title>
	<author>methano</author>
	<datestamp>1258822320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like Apple.  I bought a Mac in 1984 and have bought a bunch of them since then.  I own Apple stock.  After about 12 years it was worth about half what I paid for it but then it has performed very nicely over the last few years.  But let's face it.  Apple is thoroughly infused with self-righteous a..holes.  That's the image one gets from the top down.  I think they may even work on it.  It's a valued trait in the company.  Ever go into an Apple store.  It seems like being a self-righteous a..hole is a core skill required for employment.  Heck, even I, when I advise people about what kind of computer they should buy, I can feel that self-righteous a..hole feeling welling up inside me.  It even feels good sometimes.  Unfortunately, it's part of the price of using Apple computers.  You just have to deal with it.</p><p>I wonder what happens if you smoke in your BMW.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like Apple .
I bought a Mac in 1984 and have bought a bunch of them since then .
I own Apple stock .
After about 12 years it was worth about half what I paid for it but then it has performed very nicely over the last few years .
But let 's face it .
Apple is thoroughly infused with self-righteous a..holes .
That 's the image one gets from the top down .
I think they may even work on it .
It 's a valued trait in the company .
Ever go into an Apple store .
It seems like being a self-righteous a..hole is a core skill required for employment .
Heck , even I , when I advise people about what kind of computer they should buy , I can feel that self-righteous a..hole feeling welling up inside me .
It even feels good sometimes .
Unfortunately , it 's part of the price of using Apple computers .
You just have to deal with it.I wonder what happens if you smoke in your BMW .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like Apple.
I bought a Mac in 1984 and have bought a bunch of them since then.
I own Apple stock.
After about 12 years it was worth about half what I paid for it but then it has performed very nicely over the last few years.
But let's face it.
Apple is thoroughly infused with self-righteous a..holes.
That's the image one gets from the top down.
I think they may even work on it.
It's a valued trait in the company.
Ever go into an Apple store.
It seems like being a self-righteous a..hole is a core skill required for employment.
Heck, even I, when I advise people about what kind of computer they should buy, I can feel that self-righteous a..hole feeling welling up inside me.
It even feels good sometimes.
Unfortunately, it's part of the price of using Apple computers.
You just have to deal with it.I wonder what happens if you smoke in your BMW.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185672</id>
	<title>Smoker's extra fees.</title>
	<author>TavisJohn</author>
	<datestamp>1258827540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One computer shop I worked in had a "Smokers fee" if the computer was owned by a smoker, and the computer smelled like smoke, or was filed with ash, we would add an extra $40.00 Smoker fee to the computer.  We would have to wear gloves because of the nasty coating of smoker gunk on EVERYTHING.  We had some smokers try to void the fee by cleaning the outside of their computer, but the moment we opened it and smelled the evidence of smoke, we would call the customer and inform them that we would have to add a smoker fee if we were to continue working on the computer.<br>The smokers gunk that coats everything can cause cooling fans to fail, prevent heatsinks from giving off heat, and prevent PCI and other slots from accepting cards!<br>And that shop would void a warranty if we could prove that the SMOKE is what caused the computer to fail.  That is the same as flood or water damage.<br>However we did have an entry in our warranty about smokers.  The smokers fee was clearly listed on the wall with the other service charges.</p><p>We also had a the option to refuse to service any computer if it was a biohazzard.  And we had more than one computer come in with a dead animal rotting inside.  We would open the case, see dead rotting flesh, close case and wrap it in garbage bags.  Then we would call the customer and inform then we could not service their machine because of a dead animal inside.  We also put a sticker on the inside body panel we removed as a warning that we have refused to service this machine before because of a biohazzard, and we would flag their name in the computer, so that we would check all incoming machines from that person for biohazzards or the sticker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One computer shop I worked in had a " Smokers fee " if the computer was owned by a smoker , and the computer smelled like smoke , or was filed with ash , we would add an extra $ 40.00 Smoker fee to the computer .
We would have to wear gloves because of the nasty coating of smoker gunk on EVERYTHING .
We had some smokers try to void the fee by cleaning the outside of their computer , but the moment we opened it and smelled the evidence of smoke , we would call the customer and inform them that we would have to add a smoker fee if we were to continue working on the computer.The smokers gunk that coats everything can cause cooling fans to fail , prevent heatsinks from giving off heat , and prevent PCI and other slots from accepting cards ! And that shop would void a warranty if we could prove that the SMOKE is what caused the computer to fail .
That is the same as flood or water damage.However we did have an entry in our warranty about smokers .
The smokers fee was clearly listed on the wall with the other service charges.We also had a the option to refuse to service any computer if it was a biohazzard .
And we had more than one computer come in with a dead animal rotting inside .
We would open the case , see dead rotting flesh , close case and wrap it in garbage bags .
Then we would call the customer and inform then we could not service their machine because of a dead animal inside .
We also put a sticker on the inside body panel we removed as a warning that we have refused to service this machine before because of a biohazzard , and we would flag their name in the computer , so that we would check all incoming machines from that person for biohazzards or the sticker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One computer shop I worked in had a "Smokers fee" if the computer was owned by a smoker, and the computer smelled like smoke, or was filed with ash, we would add an extra $40.00 Smoker fee to the computer.
We would have to wear gloves because of the nasty coating of smoker gunk on EVERYTHING.
We had some smokers try to void the fee by cleaning the outside of their computer, but the moment we opened it and smelled the evidence of smoke, we would call the customer and inform them that we would have to add a smoker fee if we were to continue working on the computer.The smokers gunk that coats everything can cause cooling fans to fail, prevent heatsinks from giving off heat, and prevent PCI and other slots from accepting cards!And that shop would void a warranty if we could prove that the SMOKE is what caused the computer to fail.
That is the same as flood or water damage.However we did have an entry in our warranty about smokers.
The smokers fee was clearly listed on the wall with the other service charges.We also had a the option to refuse to service any computer if it was a biohazzard.
And we had more than one computer come in with a dead animal rotting inside.
We would open the case, see dead rotting flesh, close case and wrap it in garbage bags.
Then we would call the customer and inform then we could not service their machine because of a dead animal inside.
We also put a sticker on the inside body panel we removed as a warning that we have refused to service this machine before because of a biohazzard, and we would flag their name in the computer, so that we would check all incoming machines from that person for biohazzards or the sticker.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186240</id>
	<title>Clean it before bringing it into the shop?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258831320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does it violate the warrantee if you vacuum or air jet your machine before bringing it into the shop for warrantee repair?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it violate the warrantee if you vacuum or air jet your machine before bringing it into the shop for warrantee repair ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it violate the warrantee if you vacuum or air jet your machine before bringing it into the shop for warrantee repair?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186172</id>
	<title>this is absolutely true</title>
	<author>ILuvRamen</author>
	<datestamp>1258830840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The last two power supplies and last one monitor I worked on that failed were from smokers.  One had the ashtray about 2 inches from the computer.  The coating of residue was ridiculous and the smell as I was working on it was awful and I'm sure very harmful!  So I totally see where they're coming from with this one!  Although logically they should also refuse to work on ones with people who own cats because the insides of cat owner computers are really scary too.  Also, I'm allergic to cats and dogs so it's a health hazard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The last two power supplies and last one monitor I worked on that failed were from smokers .
One had the ashtray about 2 inches from the computer .
The coating of residue was ridiculous and the smell as I was working on it was awful and I 'm sure very harmful !
So I totally see where they 're coming from with this one !
Although logically they should also refuse to work on ones with people who own cats because the insides of cat owner computers are really scary too .
Also , I 'm allergic to cats and dogs so it 's a health hazard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last two power supplies and last one monitor I worked on that failed were from smokers.
One had the ashtray about 2 inches from the computer.
The coating of residue was ridiculous and the smell as I was working on it was awful and I'm sure very harmful!
So I totally see where they're coming from with this one!
Although logically they should also refuse to work on ones with people who own cats because the insides of cat owner computers are really scary too.
Also, I'm allergic to cats and dogs so it's a health hazard.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185668</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second</title>
	<author>troll8901</author>
	<datestamp>1258827540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember about 3 years ago, Acer sold laptops with a 3-month warranty <i>including liquid spills</i>.  Warranty extension costs additional, of course.</p><p>I eventually got a Dell laptop instead for the dual core.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember about 3 years ago , Acer sold laptops with a 3-month warranty including liquid spills .
Warranty extension costs additional , of course.I eventually got a Dell laptop instead for the dual core .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember about 3 years ago, Acer sold laptops with a 3-month warranty including liquid spills.
Warranty extension costs additional, of course.I eventually got a Dell laptop instead for the dual core.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184486</id>
	<title>Did smoke damage the computer?</title>
	<author>nanospook</author>
	<datestamp>1258820940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I read the article, and while it wasn't 100\% clear, it looks like the computer is damaged by smoke (tar). What is confusing is that Apple is doing an OSHA violation stating we can't make anyone work on it because of contamination. What is it? Contamination or owner damage? If I have a warranty that includes fixing it including when I drop the computer, then they should fix it, but then they can say OSHA violation and NOT fix it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I read the article , and while it was n't 100 \ % clear , it looks like the computer is damaged by smoke ( tar ) .
What is confusing is that Apple is doing an OSHA violation stating we ca n't make anyone work on it because of contamination .
What is it ?
Contamination or owner damage ?
If I have a warranty that includes fixing it including when I drop the computer , then they should fix it , but then they can say OSHA violation and NOT fix it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read the article, and while it wasn't 100\% clear, it looks like the computer is damaged by smoke (tar).
What is confusing is that Apple is doing an OSHA violation stating we can't make anyone work on it because of contamination.
What is it?
Contamination or owner damage?
If I have a warranty that includes fixing it including when I drop the computer, then they should fix it, but then they can say OSHA violation and NOT fix it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184636</id>
	<title>Maybe the DEA Should Shut Down Apple</title>
	<author>Cornwallis</author>
	<datestamp>1258821720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After all, 90\% of U.S. currency has traces of cocaine on it. I'm pretty sure the Apple store is dealing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After all , 90 \ % of U.S. currency has traces of cocaine on it .
I 'm pretty sure the Apple store is dealing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After all, 90\% of U.S. currency has traces of cocaine on it.
I'm pretty sure the Apple store is dealing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185760</id>
	<title>Connection?</title>
	<author>boudie2</author>
	<datestamp>1258828020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Has anyone yet mad a connection to this episode and the fact that jobs are
fleeing civilized countries were you could refuse to do your job because
there is icky cigarette smoke residue on a Mac Mini and going to uncivilized countries where you'd be fired on the spot for suggesting it?
I'd bet there's a guy in Asia right now, smoking a cigarette and having
a good laugh reading about this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone yet mad a connection to this episode and the fact that jobs are fleeing civilized countries were you could refuse to do your job because there is icky cigarette smoke residue on a Mac Mini and going to uncivilized countries where you 'd be fired on the spot for suggesting it ?
I 'd bet there 's a guy in Asia right now , smoking a cigarette and having a good laugh reading about this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone yet mad a connection to this episode and the fact that jobs are
fleeing civilized countries were you could refuse to do your job because
there is icky cigarette smoke residue on a Mac Mini and going to uncivilized countries where you'd be fired on the spot for suggesting it?
I'd bet there's a guy in Asia right now, smoking a cigarette and having
a good laugh reading about this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186822</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258834740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because not everything you write down on a piece of paper and get someone else to sign becomes legal. I could specify in our EULA that you will donate one of your testicles every time you intend to use your warranty, that doesn't mean that EULA will stand up in court.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because not everything you write down on a piece of paper and get someone else to sign becomes legal .
I could specify in our EULA that you will donate one of your testicles every time you intend to use your warranty , that does n't mean that EULA will stand up in court .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because not everything you write down on a piece of paper and get someone else to sign becomes legal.
I could specify in our EULA that you will donate one of your testicles every time you intend to use your warranty, that doesn't mean that EULA will stand up in court.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185630</id>
	<title>Re:Ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258827240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A bunch of tar buildup on a fan could be considered using the PC in an "extreme environment".  That's built into the warranty as an escape clause if I recall.</p><p>Apple claimed OSHA but if it's pursued they'll just claim something else.  If you've ever worked on a PC that has been in a smoker's house you'll understand.  They're not worth working on and they're not worth doing a warranty repair for.  It doesn't matter how many gloves you wear - if it takes a worker 3 hours just to clean tar residue off everything that's excessive and Apple would be stupid to cover that under warranty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A bunch of tar buildup on a fan could be considered using the PC in an " extreme environment " .
That 's built into the warranty as an escape clause if I recall.Apple claimed OSHA but if it 's pursued they 'll just claim something else .
If you 've ever worked on a PC that has been in a smoker 's house you 'll understand .
They 're not worth working on and they 're not worth doing a warranty repair for .
It does n't matter how many gloves you wear - if it takes a worker 3 hours just to clean tar residue off everything that 's excessive and Apple would be stupid to cover that under warranty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A bunch of tar buildup on a fan could be considered using the PC in an "extreme environment".
That's built into the warranty as an escape clause if I recall.Apple claimed OSHA but if it's pursued they'll just claim something else.
If you've ever worked on a PC that has been in a smoker's house you'll understand.
They're not worth working on and they're not worth doing a warranty repair for.
It doesn't matter how many gloves you wear - if it takes a worker 3 hours just to clean tar residue off everything that's excessive and Apple would be stupid to cover that under warranty.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184422</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185870</id>
	<title>touching tar residue?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258828860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wait, doesn't cigarette smoke dissipate? are the worried about touching the tar residues? what a bunch of sissies. these people are repair techs. When things break in this world, like refrigerators and cars and toilets... there are people who get paid to go inside the device, which is full of yucky, and sometimes carcinogenic (in the case of cars), stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wait , does n't cigarette smoke dissipate ?
are the worried about touching the tar residues ?
what a bunch of sissies .
these people are repair techs .
When things break in this world , like refrigerators and cars and toilets... there are people who get paid to go inside the device , which is full of yucky , and sometimes carcinogenic ( in the case of cars ) , stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wait, doesn't cigarette smoke dissipate?
are the worried about touching the tar residues?
what a bunch of sissies.
these people are repair techs.
When things break in this world, like refrigerators and cars and toilets... there are people who get paid to go inside the device, which is full of yucky, and sometimes carcinogenic (in the case of cars), stuff.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188042</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1258799400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I used to be the IT administrator for an office of a dozen people, back when it was somehow allowed to smoke indoors in the office while you work. And the style was for everyone to smoke. As a non smoker I was a minority, and had to put up with working in that mess.</i></p><p>No, you didn't have to put up with it, you had the choice to work somewhere else.  On the other hand the healthiest way for me to go somewhere is to ride my bike or walk, unfortunately that means I have to breath in all that exhaust from vehicles.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to be the IT administrator for an office of a dozen people , back when it was somehow allowed to smoke indoors in the office while you work .
And the style was for everyone to smoke .
As a non smoker I was a minority , and had to put up with working in that mess.No , you did n't have to put up with it , you had the choice to work somewhere else .
On the other hand the healthiest way for me to go somewhere is to ride my bike or walk , unfortunately that means I have to breath in all that exhaust from vehicles .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to be the IT administrator for an office of a dozen people, back when it was somehow allowed to smoke indoors in the office while you work.
And the style was for everyone to smoke.
As a non smoker I was a minority, and had to put up with working in that mess.No, you didn't have to put up with it, you had the choice to work somewhere else.
On the other hand the healthiest way for me to go somewhere is to ride my bike or walk, unfortunately that means I have to breath in all that exhaust from vehicles.
Falcon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184934</id>
	<title>Re:Ridiculous</title>
	<author>surferx0</author>
	<datestamp>1258823520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They have an obligation to the customer under the terms of the warranty.</p> </div><p>As someone who works on computers under various manufacturer warranty claims, the terms of the warranty for nearly every company state that it only covers defects in materials or worksmanship and they specifically exclude damage due to misuse or abuse. Meaning if I open up a computer and find piles of ash and other foreign matter inside it, you can bet I'm going to deny the warranty claim, I don't care what brand it is.

</p><p>It would be no different if I opened it up and found moisture corrosion inside because you decided this was going to be your bathroom computer. The manufacturer is liable for the quality of their parts and worksmanship, not for you deliberately placing your product in an environment which is damaging to electronics. I don't even know why this specific incident is making the news because we deny warranty claims for this kind of crap every single day.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They have an obligation to the customer under the terms of the warranty .
As someone who works on computers under various manufacturer warranty claims , the terms of the warranty for nearly every company state that it only covers defects in materials or worksmanship and they specifically exclude damage due to misuse or abuse .
Meaning if I open up a computer and find piles of ash and other foreign matter inside it , you can bet I 'm going to deny the warranty claim , I do n't care what brand it is .
It would be no different if I opened it up and found moisture corrosion inside because you decided this was going to be your bathroom computer .
The manufacturer is liable for the quality of their parts and worksmanship , not for you deliberately placing your product in an environment which is damaging to electronics .
I do n't even know why this specific incident is making the news because we deny warranty claims for this kind of crap every single day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have an obligation to the customer under the terms of the warranty.
As someone who works on computers under various manufacturer warranty claims, the terms of the warranty for nearly every company state that it only covers defects in materials or worksmanship and they specifically exclude damage due to misuse or abuse.
Meaning if I open up a computer and find piles of ash and other foreign matter inside it, you can bet I'm going to deny the warranty claim, I don't care what brand it is.
It would be no different if I opened it up and found moisture corrosion inside because you decided this was going to be your bathroom computer.
The manufacturer is liable for the quality of their parts and worksmanship, not for you deliberately placing your product in an environment which is damaging to electronics.
I don't even know why this specific incident is making the news because we deny warranty claims for this kind of crap every single day.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184422</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184542</id>
	<title>Makes sense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258821180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Computers of smokers are well, filthy, and hard to repair. Dust and tar everywhere, blocking ventilation and making mechanical parts fail sooner of later.</p><p>Eww, I'd agree with waranty void there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Computers of smokers are well , filthy , and hard to repair .
Dust and tar everywhere , blocking ventilation and making mechanical parts fail sooner of later.Eww , I 'd agree with waranty void there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Computers of smokers are well, filthy, and hard to repair.
Dust and tar everywhere, blocking ventilation and making mechanical parts fail sooner of later.Eww, I'd agree with waranty void there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188866</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258804980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Burn-proof bacteria? Huh. And I've heard of computers getting virus, but even WinME didn't contract single-celled microbes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Burn-proof bacteria ?
Huh. And I 've heard of computers getting virus , but even WinME did n't contract single-celled microbes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Burn-proof bacteria?
Huh. And I've heard of computers getting virus, but even WinME didn't contract single-celled microbes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184656</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184412</id>
	<title>Wash it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does putting it in the dishwasher void the warranty?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does putting it in the dishwasher void the warranty ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does putting it in the dishwasher void the warranty?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187098</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to deny</title>
	<author>hot soldering iron</author>
	<datestamp>1258836540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an ex-smoker my computer requires cleaning a little less often now. When my room mate and I both smoked (pack a day, each), it didn't take long for that yellowish tinge to appear. We did cover our machines with towels when not in use, as make shift dust covers. It helped, but not a lot. What helped the most was using an ionizing air cleaner in our living room. It would suck the smoke and dust out of the air so quickly you could directly observe it! We put that poor box through hell. Had to change the 90-day HEPA filter every month. When I got with my wife and step-son I stopped smoking inside, and eventually stopped smoking all together. The difference in my lifestyle and health were major improvements, the improved environment for my equipment was a minor thing.</p><p>I've worked on high-end industrial test equipment for years, and a smoking environment just meant the box smelled bad when you blew the dust out, and you would have to use extra cleaner on the case. We used PPE at all times as a matter of course, so voiding the warranty because it was in a smoking environment is purest bull shit. Apple is/has become/always was an arrogant company with regard to customer service, and deserve to have their ass handed to them in the court of Public Relations. Microsoft has a rep as incompetent, thieving liars, and Apple is developing into an arrogant, tyrannical, authoritarian. I'll stick with my Linux systems and hang out with the doobie-smoking hippies, thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an ex-smoker my computer requires cleaning a little less often now .
When my room mate and I both smoked ( pack a day , each ) , it did n't take long for that yellowish tinge to appear .
We did cover our machines with towels when not in use , as make shift dust covers .
It helped , but not a lot .
What helped the most was using an ionizing air cleaner in our living room .
It would suck the smoke and dust out of the air so quickly you could directly observe it !
We put that poor box through hell .
Had to change the 90-day HEPA filter every month .
When I got with my wife and step-son I stopped smoking inside , and eventually stopped smoking all together .
The difference in my lifestyle and health were major improvements , the improved environment for my equipment was a minor thing.I 've worked on high-end industrial test equipment for years , and a smoking environment just meant the box smelled bad when you blew the dust out , and you would have to use extra cleaner on the case .
We used PPE at all times as a matter of course , so voiding the warranty because it was in a smoking environment is purest bull shit .
Apple is/has become/always was an arrogant company with regard to customer service , and deserve to have their ass handed to them in the court of Public Relations .
Microsoft has a rep as incompetent , thieving liars , and Apple is developing into an arrogant , tyrannical , authoritarian .
I 'll stick with my Linux systems and hang out with the doobie-smoking hippies , thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an ex-smoker my computer requires cleaning a little less often now.
When my room mate and I both smoked (pack a day, each), it didn't take long for that yellowish tinge to appear.
We did cover our machines with towels when not in use, as make shift dust covers.
It helped, but not a lot.
What helped the most was using an ionizing air cleaner in our living room.
It would suck the smoke and dust out of the air so quickly you could directly observe it!
We put that poor box through hell.
Had to change the 90-day HEPA filter every month.
When I got with my wife and step-son I stopped smoking inside, and eventually stopped smoking all together.
The difference in my lifestyle and health were major improvements, the improved environment for my equipment was a minor thing.I've worked on high-end industrial test equipment for years, and a smoking environment just meant the box smelled bad when you blew the dust out, and you would have to use extra cleaner on the case.
We used PPE at all times as a matter of course, so voiding the warranty because it was in a smoking environment is purest bull shit.
Apple is/has become/always was an arrogant company with regard to customer service, and deserve to have their ass handed to them in the court of Public Relations.
Microsoft has a rep as incompetent, thieving liars, and Apple is developing into an arrogant, tyrannical, authoritarian.
I'll stick with my Linux systems and hang out with the doobie-smoking hippies, thanks.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30203098</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>eth1</author>
	<datestamp>1258997760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pouring coffee on your Mac is legal, but it would void the warranty. How is gumming it up with smoke and tar to the point of failure any different?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pouring coffee on your Mac is legal , but it would void the warranty .
How is gumming it up with smoke and tar to the point of failure any different ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pouring coffee on your Mac is legal, but it would void the warranty.
How is gumming it up with smoke and tar to the point of failure any different?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184826</id>
	<title>Tar related damage is user abuse.</title>
	<author>Garthok</author>
	<datestamp>1258822800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can understand employees not wanting to touch a yellow or brown mac.  I hate working on smokers computers, tar makes a great insulator and does damage components and yet somehow it is your fault that the computer does not work.  Neither of the two examples given indicate the amount of tar buildup on the computer, generally if it just smells like a smokers computer, there is no problem, it gets repaired.  The only time a computer gets labeled a biohazard is if there is a significant amount of residue on the computer. The first post does sound like tar related damage, which could be considered user abuse(voids warranty).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can understand employees not wanting to touch a yellow or brown mac .
I hate working on smokers computers , tar makes a great insulator and does damage components and yet somehow it is your fault that the computer does not work .
Neither of the two examples given indicate the amount of tar buildup on the computer , generally if it just smells like a smokers computer , there is no problem , it gets repaired .
The only time a computer gets labeled a biohazard is if there is a significant amount of residue on the computer .
The first post does sound like tar related damage , which could be considered user abuse ( voids warranty ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can understand employees not wanting to touch a yellow or brown mac.
I hate working on smokers computers, tar makes a great insulator and does damage components and yet somehow it is your fault that the computer does not work.
Neither of the two examples given indicate the amount of tar buildup on the computer, generally if it just smells like a smokers computer, there is no problem, it gets repaired.
The only time a computer gets labeled a biohazard is if there is a significant amount of residue on the computer.
The first post does sound like tar related damage, which could be considered user abuse(voids warranty).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30209762</id>
	<title>I had been avoiding hackintoshes...</title>
	<author>Fished</author>
	<datestamp>1258992600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had been avoiding running a Hackintosh out of some latent guilt and a feeling that the Apple hardware really was better anyway.  But if it now has no warranty (yes, I'm a smoker, yes it's a horrible disgusting habit, yes, I should quit) then I feel my guilt slowly seeping away.  Sorry, but this is ridiculous PC bull.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had been avoiding running a Hackintosh out of some latent guilt and a feeling that the Apple hardware really was better anyway .
But if it now has no warranty ( yes , I 'm a smoker , yes it 's a horrible disgusting habit , yes , I should quit ) then I feel my guilt slowly seeping away .
Sorry , but this is ridiculous PC bull .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had been avoiding running a Hackintosh out of some latent guilt and a feeling that the Apple hardware really was better anyway.
But if it now has no warranty (yes, I'm a smoker, yes it's a horrible disgusting habit, yes, I should quit) then I feel my guilt slowly seeping away.
Sorry, but this is ridiculous PC bull.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187080</id>
	<title>Somewhere an Attorney...</title>
	<author>akpoff</author>
	<datestamp>1258836420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>just sniffed and said: "I love the smell of class-action lawsuits in the morning. It smells like stale cigarette smoke and filthy lucre."</htmltext>
<tokenext>just sniffed and said : " I love the smell of class-action lawsuits in the morning .
It smells like stale cigarette smoke and filthy lucre .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just sniffed and said: "I love the smell of class-action lawsuits in the morning.
It smells like stale cigarette smoke and filthy lucre.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188422</id>
	<title>Re:Not discriminatory against smokers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258802040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If they just acknowledged that they're going to treat excessive smoke exposure<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</i> </p><p>They might have a legal leg to stand on <b>if they put that into the service contract before you purchased it.</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they just acknowledged that they 're going to treat excessive smoke exposure .... They might have a legal leg to stand on if they put that into the service contract before you purchased it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they just acknowledged that they're going to treat excessive smoke exposure .... They might have a legal leg to stand on if they put that into the service contract before you purchased it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184960</id>
	<title>Re:I don't blame them</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1258823700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why did you choose it if you you did not like it?</p></div><p>House, barn, stable and several hectares of land for (relatively) peanuts.</p><p>We have these things, called detergents, also water which can be used to "clean" things. I know that's a novel concept for many smokers. Then we have this other stuff called "paint" which can be put on top of pre-existing walls with a "brush" or "roller" to cover what cannot be "cleaned".</p><p>
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<tokenext>Why did you choose it if you you did not like it ? House , barn , stable and several hectares of land for ( relatively ) peanuts.We have these things , called detergents , also water which can be used to " clean " things .
I know that 's a novel concept for many smokers .
Then we have this other stuff called " paint " which can be put on top of pre-existing walls with a " brush " or " roller " to cover what can not be " cleaned " .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why did you choose it if you you did not like it?House, barn, stable and several hectares of land for (relatively) peanuts.We have these things, called detergents, also water which can be used to "clean" things.
I know that's a novel concept for many smokers.
Then we have this other stuff called "paint" which can be put on top of pre-existing walls with a "brush" or "roller" to cover what cannot be "cleaned".
 
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186638</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1258833600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny that, I have a computer that was my desktop machine in 1994. I smoked right next to it for years until it was finally relegated to be a dial-up server/firewall. Eventually, that use was obsolete as well once I got broadband and a WRT reflashed with Linux. It still runs fine (just slow because the world has moved on). It's had 1 CPU fan replacement in it's 15 years of service and very irregular cleaning (mostly the huff and puff method). Of course it's HDs have been replaced due to normal old age failure.</p><p>It wasn't like it was some sort of super premium system, just a regular inexpensive board, P200 CPU and plain old heat sink/fan in a cheap case. No air filters or anything like that.</p><p>As for your comments on second hand smoke, those must be really tough bacteria to survive burning like that! I was also not aware that bacteria could infect computers. I always thought that a computer virus was meant as an analogy. Reading that backwards, that conficker can really screw up a computer, I don't know why it should surprise people that it will also kill humans.</p><p>Cigarette smoke should really be studied carefully by medical researchers.It's the only substance out there apparently that gets even deadlier as it is diluted. Either that or second hand smoke is, in-fact, much less harmful than primary smoke.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny that , I have a computer that was my desktop machine in 1994 .
I smoked right next to it for years until it was finally relegated to be a dial-up server/firewall .
Eventually , that use was obsolete as well once I got broadband and a WRT reflashed with Linux .
It still runs fine ( just slow because the world has moved on ) .
It 's had 1 CPU fan replacement in it 's 15 years of service and very irregular cleaning ( mostly the huff and puff method ) .
Of course it 's HDs have been replaced due to normal old age failure.It was n't like it was some sort of super premium system , just a regular inexpensive board , P200 CPU and plain old heat sink/fan in a cheap case .
No air filters or anything like that.As for your comments on second hand smoke , those must be really tough bacteria to survive burning like that !
I was also not aware that bacteria could infect computers .
I always thought that a computer virus was meant as an analogy .
Reading that backwards , that conficker can really screw up a computer , I do n't know why it should surprise people that it will also kill humans.Cigarette smoke should really be studied carefully by medical researchers.It 's the only substance out there apparently that gets even deadlier as it is diluted .
Either that or second hand smoke is , in-fact , much less harmful than primary smoke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny that, I have a computer that was my desktop machine in 1994.
I smoked right next to it for years until it was finally relegated to be a dial-up server/firewall.
Eventually, that use was obsolete as well once I got broadband and a WRT reflashed with Linux.
It still runs fine (just slow because the world has moved on).
It's had 1 CPU fan replacement in it's 15 years of service and very irregular cleaning (mostly the huff and puff method).
Of course it's HDs have been replaced due to normal old age failure.It wasn't like it was some sort of super premium system, just a regular inexpensive board, P200 CPU and plain old heat sink/fan in a cheap case.
No air filters or anything like that.As for your comments on second hand smoke, those must be really tough bacteria to survive burning like that!
I was also not aware that bacteria could infect computers.
I always thought that a computer virus was meant as an analogy.
Reading that backwards, that conficker can really screw up a computer, I don't know why it should surprise people that it will also kill humans.Cigarette smoke should really be studied carefully by medical researchers.It's the only substance out there apparently that gets even deadlier as it is diluted.
Either that or second hand smoke is, in-fact, much less harmful than primary smoke.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185258</id>
	<title>Re:What about cat owners?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258825260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've seen more computers clogged with cat hair than I've seen clogged with cigarette ash.</p></div><p>I used to have that problem until I started waxing my cat. A few minutes of screaming and yowling a month but it's worth it. I can finally wear black clothes again and no cat hair in the computer.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 've seen more computers clogged with cat hair than I 've seen clogged with cigarette ash.I used to have that problem until I started waxing my cat .
A few minutes of screaming and yowling a month but it 's worth it .
I can finally wear black clothes again and no cat hair in the computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen more computers clogged with cat hair than I've seen clogged with cigarette ash.I used to have that problem until I started waxing my cat.
A few minutes of screaming and yowling a month but it's worth it.
I can finally wear black clothes again and no cat hair in the computer.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30191068</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>ogdenk</author>
	<datestamp>1258826580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I also used to run a motorcycle shop. You should see what those PCs look like after a while, especially the one that's used to run the dynamometer. (Badly running vehicles spit out a lot of soot, not to mention all the other residues from various vapors from cleaning chemicals)</p><p>So<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... exclude everything else that could possibly harm the PC, and you have a point. Otherwise, you're picking one little thing out of many simply because the cause has become a socially unacceptable behaviour.</p></div><p>I agree and I feel your pain with the motorcycle shop.  I was network admin for an auto service chain and one of the first things we did was replace every PC in the tech bays with thin clients w/ LCD's and rubber keyboards.  They used those for Mitchell1 and Alldata, the repair order system, etc.  Worked out great and TCO was much lower in the long run.  The main location was large, about 30 bays.  Wasn't really an option for the alignment machine, emissions machine or dyno.  When they had PC's in every bay it was a nightmare.  Most never lasted more than 2-6 months before a major failure so we'd blow'em out with a compressor, clean'em up some and off for warranty service they went.  Rarely were they ever denied.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I also used to run a motorcycle shop .
You should see what those PCs look like after a while , especially the one that 's used to run the dynamometer .
( Badly running vehicles spit out a lot of soot , not to mention all the other residues from various vapors from cleaning chemicals ) So ... exclude everything else that could possibly harm the PC , and you have a point .
Otherwise , you 're picking one little thing out of many simply because the cause has become a socially unacceptable behaviour.I agree and I feel your pain with the motorcycle shop .
I was network admin for an auto service chain and one of the first things we did was replace every PC in the tech bays with thin clients w/ LCD 's and rubber keyboards .
They used those for Mitchell1 and Alldata , the repair order system , etc .
Worked out great and TCO was much lower in the long run .
The main location was large , about 30 bays .
Was n't really an option for the alignment machine , emissions machine or dyno .
When they had PC 's in every bay it was a nightmare .
Most never lasted more than 2-6 months before a major failure so we 'd blow'em out with a compressor , clean'em up some and off for warranty service they went .
Rarely were they ever denied .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also used to run a motorcycle shop.
You should see what those PCs look like after a while, especially the one that's used to run the dynamometer.
(Badly running vehicles spit out a lot of soot, not to mention all the other residues from various vapors from cleaning chemicals)So ... exclude everything else that could possibly harm the PC, and you have a point.
Otherwise, you're picking one little thing out of many simply because the cause has become a socially unacceptable behaviour.I agree and I feel your pain with the motorcycle shop.
I was network admin for an auto service chain and one of the first things we did was replace every PC in the tech bays with thin clients w/ LCD's and rubber keyboards.
They used those for Mitchell1 and Alldata, the repair order system, etc.
Worked out great and TCO was much lower in the long run.
The main location was large, about 30 bays.
Wasn't really an option for the alignment machine, emissions machine or dyno.
When they had PC's in every bay it was a nightmare.
Most never lasted more than 2-6 months before a major failure so we'd blow'em out with a compressor, clean'em up some and off for warranty service they went.
Rarely were they ever denied.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188724</id>
	<title>Time to sue Apple brotha...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258804140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple with its sales increasing has some good money...so go for it..sue them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple with its sales increasing has some good money...so go for it..sue them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple with its sales increasing has some good money...so go for it..sue them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185216</id>
	<title>Re:What about cat owners?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258825080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah I got my kitty to stop smoking but he refuses to groom himself before surfing porn... only after..<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah I got my kitty to stop smoking but he refuses to groom himself before surfing porn... only after.. : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah I got my kitty to stop smoking but he refuses to groom himself before surfing porn... only after.. :(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186068</id>
	<title>Smoke residue</title>
	<author>eclectic4</author>
	<datestamp>1258830060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've worked on machines from smokers only to find the insides covered in fuzzy, sticky brown residue. It smells horrible as well. I can see how this sort of thing could cause warranty issues without question.

<br>If I were Apple, I'd simply take in image of it and show the customer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've worked on machines from smokers only to find the insides covered in fuzzy , sticky brown residue .
It smells horrible as well .
I can see how this sort of thing could cause warranty issues without question .
If I were Apple , I 'd simply take in image of it and show the customer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've worked on machines from smokers only to find the insides covered in fuzzy, sticky brown residue.
It smells horrible as well.
I can see how this sort of thing could cause warranty issues without question.
If I were Apple, I'd simply take in image of it and show the customer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184952</id>
	<title>Re:The "I Blame The Government" Excuse</title>
	<author>jedidiah</author>
	<datestamp>1258823640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's see...</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; You've got a pretty liberal California company.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; You've got workers that are probably more allergy prone to begin with.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; You have a substance that is very widely publicized in the media as dangerous to innocent bystanders.</p><p>It's not just the rules but everything surrounding them including people that might appear<br>to be harmed, companies that might have to deal with them and media personalities like Mayor<br>Bloomberg that are sounding the war drums.</p><p>It also doesn't sound that unreasonable if you've actually ever been exposed to this crap. Although<br>I could see how people without any clue whatsoever might be inclined to start siding with Apple at<br>least initially.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see.. .       You 've got a pretty liberal California company .
      You 've got workers that are probably more allergy prone to begin with .
      You have a substance that is very widely publicized in the media as dangerous to innocent bystanders.It 's not just the rules but everything surrounding them including people that might appearto be harmed , companies that might have to deal with them and media personalities like MayorBloomberg that are sounding the war drums.It also does n't sound that unreasonable if you 've actually ever been exposed to this crap .
AlthoughI could see how people without any clue whatsoever might be inclined to start siding with Apple atleast initially .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see...
      You've got a pretty liberal California company.
      You've got workers that are probably more allergy prone to begin with.
      You have a substance that is very widely publicized in the media as dangerous to innocent bystanders.It's not just the rules but everything surrounding them including people that might appearto be harmed, companies that might have to deal with them and media personalities like MayorBloomberg that are sounding the war drums.It also doesn't sound that unreasonable if you've actually ever been exposed to this crap.
AlthoughI could see how people without any clue whatsoever might be inclined to start siding with Apple atleast initially.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190694</id>
	<title>I think you are confused</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1258821180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many people here have this "Well you can't make workers work with hazardous materials!" attitude. Really? Then where do things like car batteries (which have lead and sulfuric acid) come from? Where do your computer chips, which use all kinds of chemicals to make, come from? If you said "Some third world country," you are wrong. Intel, for example, has the majority of fabs in the United States. So how's the work?</p><p>Well what OSHA says is that employers can't expose employees to hazards unknowingly, and without proper training and protection. That's all. What this means is you CAN be exposed to hazards so long as:</p><p>1) The hazards are noted. Things such as proper signage for the types of hazards, markings for areas with dangers ans so on.</p><p>2) You are trained in those hazards. They give you a course and materials that say "This is how to work safely in this environment."</p><p>3) You are provided with safety gear to mitigate the hazards. So a helmet for a construction zone with falling object hazards, protective gloves for a caustic hazard and so on.</p><p>That's all that is required. Your employer just can't send you off to a dangerous situation with nothing.</p><p>So, in the event a computer with smoke residue was a hazard (it's not) then they'd simply need to make sure this was known, and proper protective equipment was provided. At that point, their workers can't sue. They can quit if they don't want to do the work, but they'd have no standing for a lawsuit. So long as the dangers are stated, mitigated and trained for there is no problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many people here have this " Well you ca n't make workers work with hazardous materials !
" attitude .
Really ? Then where do things like car batteries ( which have lead and sulfuric acid ) come from ?
Where do your computer chips , which use all kinds of chemicals to make , come from ?
If you said " Some third world country , " you are wrong .
Intel , for example , has the majority of fabs in the United States .
So how 's the work ? Well what OSHA says is that employers ca n't expose employees to hazards unknowingly , and without proper training and protection .
That 's all .
What this means is you CAN be exposed to hazards so long as : 1 ) The hazards are noted .
Things such as proper signage for the types of hazards , markings for areas with dangers ans so on.2 ) You are trained in those hazards .
They give you a course and materials that say " This is how to work safely in this environment .
" 3 ) You are provided with safety gear to mitigate the hazards .
So a helmet for a construction zone with falling object hazards , protective gloves for a caustic hazard and so on.That 's all that is required .
Your employer just ca n't send you off to a dangerous situation with nothing.So , in the event a computer with smoke residue was a hazard ( it 's not ) then they 'd simply need to make sure this was known , and proper protective equipment was provided .
At that point , their workers ca n't sue .
They can quit if they do n't want to do the work , but they 'd have no standing for a lawsuit .
So long as the dangers are stated , mitigated and trained for there is no problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many people here have this "Well you can't make workers work with hazardous materials!
" attitude.
Really? Then where do things like car batteries (which have lead and sulfuric acid) come from?
Where do your computer chips, which use all kinds of chemicals to make, come from?
If you said "Some third world country," you are wrong.
Intel, for example, has the majority of fabs in the United States.
So how's the work?Well what OSHA says is that employers can't expose employees to hazards unknowingly, and without proper training and protection.
That's all.
What this means is you CAN be exposed to hazards so long as:1) The hazards are noted.
Things such as proper signage for the types of hazards, markings for areas with dangers ans so on.2) You are trained in those hazards.
They give you a course and materials that say "This is how to work safely in this environment.
"3) You are provided with safety gear to mitigate the hazards.
So a helmet for a construction zone with falling object hazards, protective gloves for a caustic hazard and so on.That's all that is required.
Your employer just can't send you off to a dangerous situation with nothing.So, in the event a computer with smoke residue was a hazard (it's not) then they'd simply need to make sure this was known, and proper protective equipment was provided.
At that point, their workers can't sue.
They can quit if they don't want to do the work, but they'd have no standing for a lawsuit.
So long as the dangers are stated, mitigated and trained for there is no problem.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185052</id>
	<title>Obligatory</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258824240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess Apple's engineers were informed that once the smoke is out, you can't put it back in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess Apple 's engineers were informed that once the smoke is out , you ca n't put it back in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess Apple's engineers were informed that once the smoke is out, you can't put it back in.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184416</id>
	<title>I don't blame them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I moved into a house previously owned by a smoker. Almost got nicotine poisoning just from touching the wallpaper... </p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I moved into a house previously owned by a smoker .
Almost got nicotine poisoning just from touching the wallpaper.. .  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I moved into a house previously owned by a smoker.
Almost got nicotine poisoning just from touching the wallpaper... 
 </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190350</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to deny</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258816980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The warranty covers defects in materials and workmanship.  Last I checked, failures caused by overheating due to a slimy, gummy residue from smoking isn't a defect in material and workmanship that apple would be liable for.  That's probably why they rejected it, the employee's health is B.S.  Even if it wasn't overheating, computers are sensitive electronic devices and a coating of Tar and whatever else is in there will be blamed for the failure.</p><p>http://www.apple.com/legal/warranty/</p><p>I've worked on some of those computers that were exposed to smoke, and they were incredibly disgusting.  Dry dust on interior parts is one thing, but once you add the tar, nicotine, and whatever else is in that residue, it's probably mildly conductive and quite capable of messing stuff up inside.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The warranty covers defects in materials and workmanship .
Last I checked , failures caused by overheating due to a slimy , gummy residue from smoking is n't a defect in material and workmanship that apple would be liable for .
That 's probably why they rejected it , the employee 's health is B.S .
Even if it was n't overheating , computers are sensitive electronic devices and a coating of Tar and whatever else is in there will be blamed for the failure.http : //www.apple.com/legal/warranty/I 've worked on some of those computers that were exposed to smoke , and they were incredibly disgusting .
Dry dust on interior parts is one thing , but once you add the tar , nicotine , and whatever else is in that residue , it 's probably mildly conductive and quite capable of messing stuff up inside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The warranty covers defects in materials and workmanship.
Last I checked, failures caused by overheating due to a slimy, gummy residue from smoking isn't a defect in material and workmanship that apple would be liable for.
That's probably why they rejected it, the employee's health is B.S.
Even if it wasn't overheating, computers are sensitive electronic devices and a coating of Tar and whatever else is in there will be blamed for the failure.http://www.apple.com/legal/warranty/I've worked on some of those computers that were exposed to smoke, and they were incredibly disgusting.
Dry dust on interior parts is one thing, but once you add the tar, nicotine, and whatever else is in that residue, it's probably mildly conductive and quite capable of messing stuff up inside.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185140</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258824780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, in Iowa, smoking in any workplace, or anywhere on state-owned, (but not public), property is illegal.  This includes the private offices in office buildings and sidewalks and roads on state college campuses.</p><p>So, for the case in Iowa, the worker can say they aren't going to work on the computer because of the smoke smell and the law will back them up.  I would also like to add that it must have been pretty nasty inside the computer in the Iowa case since the smoke residue buildup was nasty enough to cause some of the problems - they went away when the owner took it apart and cleaned it with compressed air.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , in Iowa , smoking in any workplace , or anywhere on state-owned , ( but not public ) , property is illegal .
This includes the private offices in office buildings and sidewalks and roads on state college campuses.So , for the case in Iowa , the worker can say they are n't going to work on the computer because of the smoke smell and the law will back them up .
I would also like to add that it must have been pretty nasty inside the computer in the Iowa case since the smoke residue buildup was nasty enough to cause some of the problems - they went away when the owner took it apart and cleaned it with compressed air .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, in Iowa, smoking in any workplace, or anywhere on state-owned, (but not public), property is illegal.
This includes the private offices in office buildings and sidewalks and roads on state college campuses.So, for the case in Iowa, the worker can say they aren't going to work on the computer because of the smoke smell and the law will back them up.
I would also like to add that it must have been pretty nasty inside the computer in the Iowa case since the smoke residue buildup was nasty enough to cause some of the problems - they went away when the owner took it apart and cleaned it with compressed air.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185038</id>
	<title>Smoke residue damages hardware and media.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258824120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the Consumerist can be trusted this time, this does not surprise me in the least, and I totally support Apple this one time.</p><p>We had mangeto-optical disks in the 90s at a "smoke friendly" office that kept dropping sectors. Finally found someone at the vendor who suggested we open up the disk cartridges, and carefully clean the platters.</p><p>Secondhand smoke cost my company dozens of hours of labor, and real costs due to the data that was lost.</p><p>Don't get me started on the machines I've had to work on that were in despicable condition, owned by smokers. This goes beyond the normal dust that sneaks in - this crud doesn't come off without an acid bath.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the Consumerist can be trusted this time , this does not surprise me in the least , and I totally support Apple this one time.We had mangeto-optical disks in the 90s at a " smoke friendly " office that kept dropping sectors .
Finally found someone at the vendor who suggested we open up the disk cartridges , and carefully clean the platters.Secondhand smoke cost my company dozens of hours of labor , and real costs due to the data that was lost.Do n't get me started on the machines I 've had to work on that were in despicable condition , owned by smokers .
This goes beyond the normal dust that sneaks in - this crud does n't come off without an acid bath .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the Consumerist can be trusted this time, this does not surprise me in the least, and I totally support Apple this one time.We had mangeto-optical disks in the 90s at a "smoke friendly" office that kept dropping sectors.
Finally found someone at the vendor who suggested we open up the disk cartridges, and carefully clean the platters.Secondhand smoke cost my company dozens of hours of labor, and real costs due to the data that was lost.Don't get me started on the machines I've had to work on that were in despicable condition, owned by smokers.
This goes beyond the normal dust that sneaks in - this crud doesn't come off without an acid bath.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186534</id>
	<title>I Can Smell-- er, See It</title>
	<author>Caraig</author>
	<datestamp>1258833060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having worked on smokers' computers, I can say that the only time this would cause a problem for the repair person would be if it was utterly, obnoxiously prevalent in the computer.  Normally we couldn't tell if the computer came from a smoker's home.  But I've seen a few -- only a very few -- where there was literally ash in the casing.  I have no idea how it could have gotten there, either, but there you go, and it *reeked*.  Seriously reeked; I think only one other tech could bring himself to work on that computer for more than a few minutes.  Once someone brought in a laptop and it was painfully obvious the moment they cracked the lid that they smoked pot; I don't think you could hang around the laptop for long without getting an incidental buzz.  For a tech who might be allergic to pot smoke, I don't know if it would cause problems, but it certainly wouldn't be pleasant.</p><p>So, in summation: When the person complains that their computer had it's warranty voided because they're a smoker, I would hazard a guess to say that they were a VERY heavy smoker and the computer was suffused with ash and reeked.  This is NOT the computer of an idle, cigarette-now-and-then smoker, but someone who more or less chain smokes while browsing the web.  It probably made working in the GR next to impossible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having worked on smokers ' computers , I can say that the only time this would cause a problem for the repair person would be if it was utterly , obnoxiously prevalent in the computer .
Normally we could n't tell if the computer came from a smoker 's home .
But I 've seen a few -- only a very few -- where there was literally ash in the casing .
I have no idea how it could have gotten there , either , but there you go , and it * reeked * .
Seriously reeked ; I think only one other tech could bring himself to work on that computer for more than a few minutes .
Once someone brought in a laptop and it was painfully obvious the moment they cracked the lid that they smoked pot ; I do n't think you could hang around the laptop for long without getting an incidental buzz .
For a tech who might be allergic to pot smoke , I do n't know if it would cause problems , but it certainly would n't be pleasant.So , in summation : When the person complains that their computer had it 's warranty voided because they 're a smoker , I would hazard a guess to say that they were a VERY heavy smoker and the computer was suffused with ash and reeked .
This is NOT the computer of an idle , cigarette-now-and-then smoker , but someone who more or less chain smokes while browsing the web .
It probably made working in the GR next to impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having worked on smokers' computers, I can say that the only time this would cause a problem for the repair person would be if it was utterly, obnoxiously prevalent in the computer.
Normally we couldn't tell if the computer came from a smoker's home.
But I've seen a few -- only a very few -- where there was literally ash in the casing.
I have no idea how it could have gotten there, either, but there you go, and it *reeked*.
Seriously reeked; I think only one other tech could bring himself to work on that computer for more than a few minutes.
Once someone brought in a laptop and it was painfully obvious the moment they cracked the lid that they smoked pot; I don't think you could hang around the laptop for long without getting an incidental buzz.
For a tech who might be allergic to pot smoke, I don't know if it would cause problems, but it certainly wouldn't be pleasant.So, in summation: When the person complains that their computer had it's warranty voided because they're a smoker, I would hazard a guess to say that they were a VERY heavy smoker and the computer was suffused with ash and reeked.
This is NOT the computer of an idle, cigarette-now-and-then smoker, but someone who more or less chain smokes while browsing the web.
It probably made working in the GR next to impossible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186456</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe get some facts straight?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1258832640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, there's nothing legitimate about it at all. You just account it as good will or customer service. SOX doesn't care in the slightest about that so long as you're not cooking the books.</p><p>It's amazing how many corporate apologists write off all their crappy behavior as mandated by (fictional interpretation of) law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , there 's nothing legitimate about it at all .
You just account it as good will or customer service .
SOX does n't care in the slightest about that so long as you 're not cooking the books.It 's amazing how many corporate apologists write off all their crappy behavior as mandated by ( fictional interpretation of ) law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, there's nothing legitimate about it at all.
You just account it as good will or customer service.
SOX doesn't care in the slightest about that so long as you're not cooking the books.It's amazing how many corporate apologists write off all their crappy behavior as mandated by (fictional interpretation of) law.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184624</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30189494</id>
	<title>Re:The solution is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258809900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's ironic, because that's exactly the same equipment I need when visiting the local Linux users' group.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's ironic , because that 's exactly the same equipment I need when visiting the local Linux users ' group .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's ironic, because that's exactly the same equipment I need when visiting the local Linux users' group.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184516</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184942</id>
	<title>Just say that it's not normal use.</title>
	<author>RickRussellTX</author>
	<datestamp>1258823580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The issue is not whether smoking is legal or illegal; there are plenty of legal things you can do a computer that would void the warranty. If they're going to make this argument, they simply need to support the claim that the damage to the computer goes beyond normal wear and tear. </p><p>For example, computers in chemical labs often fail because small amounts of airborne chemicals attack the PC boards and chassis. I've worked on boxes that look like they'd been strapped to the bottom of a battleship for a few years. </p><p>Having seen the office accommodations of some chain smokers, I can't say I blame Apple. I've seen environments where every surface is coated with brown, sticky residue and a multi-millimeter thick layer of dust and ash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The issue is not whether smoking is legal or illegal ; there are plenty of legal things you can do a computer that would void the warranty .
If they 're going to make this argument , they simply need to support the claim that the damage to the computer goes beyond normal wear and tear .
For example , computers in chemical labs often fail because small amounts of airborne chemicals attack the PC boards and chassis .
I 've worked on boxes that look like they 'd been strapped to the bottom of a battleship for a few years .
Having seen the office accommodations of some chain smokers , I ca n't say I blame Apple .
I 've seen environments where every surface is coated with brown , sticky residue and a multi-millimeter thick layer of dust and ash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The issue is not whether smoking is legal or illegal; there are plenty of legal things you can do a computer that would void the warranty.
If they're going to make this argument, they simply need to support the claim that the damage to the computer goes beyond normal wear and tear.
For example, computers in chemical labs often fail because small amounts of airborne chemicals attack the PC boards and chassis.
I've worked on boxes that look like they'd been strapped to the bottom of a battleship for a few years.
Having seen the office accommodations of some chain smokers, I can't say I blame Apple.
I've seen environments where every surface is coated with brown, sticky residue and a multi-millimeter thick layer of dust and ash.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186126</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258830600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, smoke contains bacteria?  Who knew?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , smoke contains bacteria ?
Who knew ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, smoke contains bacteria?
Who knew?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184516</id>
	<title>The solution is...</title>
	<author>Xelios</author>
	<datestamp>1258821060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Gloves and a face mask.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gloves and a face mask .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gloves and a face mask.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188166</id>
	<title>So what we have here is...</title>
	<author>CatOne</author>
	<datestamp>1258800360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The accounts from 3 smokers in unrelated incidents who gave their side of the story as being "wronged," and their accounts suddenly indicate the policy of Apple?</p><p>Sheesh.  Nice "journalism."</p><p>Without looking at the machines, who here can really know the condition they were in?  Maybe the darned thing WAS so full of ash and soot that it was hazardous to work on?  I didn't get a look, did you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The accounts from 3 smokers in unrelated incidents who gave their side of the story as being " wronged , " and their accounts suddenly indicate the policy of Apple ? Sheesh .
Nice " journalism .
" Without looking at the machines , who here can really know the condition they were in ?
Maybe the darned thing WAS so full of ash and soot that it was hazardous to work on ?
I did n't get a look , did you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The accounts from 3 smokers in unrelated incidents who gave their side of the story as being "wronged," and their accounts suddenly indicate the policy of Apple?Sheesh.
Nice "journalism.
"Without looking at the machines, who here can really know the condition they were in?
Maybe the darned thing WAS so full of ash and soot that it was hazardous to work on?
I didn't get a look, did you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185020</id>
	<title>Wait a second</title>
	<author>Azureflare</author>
	<datestamp>1258824000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So you expect a warranty to cover water damaged devices? When you find a company that covers water damaged equipment under warranty, please let us all know!
<br> <br>
The smoking thing is a bit strange, and I'll have to see if they say anything more.  I'd love to see pictures of the device that was submitted for repair!<br> <br>
Disclaimer: Yes I own Apple devices, and I seem to be in the minority in that Apple Care has been a great experience for me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So you expect a warranty to cover water damaged devices ?
When you find a company that covers water damaged equipment under warranty , please let us all know !
The smoking thing is a bit strange , and I 'll have to see if they say anything more .
I 'd love to see pictures of the device that was submitted for repair !
Disclaimer : Yes I own Apple devices , and I seem to be in the minority in that Apple Care has been a great experience for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you expect a warranty to cover water damaged devices?
When you find a company that covers water damaged equipment under warranty, please let us all know!
The smoking thing is a bit strange, and I'll have to see if they say anything more.
I'd love to see pictures of the device that was submitted for repair!
Disclaimer: Yes I own Apple devices, and I seem to be in the minority in that Apple Care has been a great experience for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187738</id>
	<title>Proper use.</title>
	<author>carpefishus</author>
	<datestamp>1258797420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Likely there is a clause in the warranty that voids if the computer was used in a damaging environment.  Could that be what apple is saying?

eg. Smokey greasy kitchen, dusty factory.

When in college, the 70's, I fixed TVs.  Heavy smoke kills those older sets.  BTW: cockroaches do to.  I have vacuumed inches of roaches from the inside of TVs.  ug.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Likely there is a clause in the warranty that voids if the computer was used in a damaging environment .
Could that be what apple is saying ?
eg. Smokey greasy kitchen , dusty factory .
When in college , the 70 's , I fixed TVs .
Heavy smoke kills those older sets .
BTW : cockroaches do to .
I have vacuumed inches of roaches from the inside of TVs .
ug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Likely there is a clause in the warranty that voids if the computer was used in a damaging environment.
Could that be what apple is saying?
eg. Smokey greasy kitchen, dusty factory.
When in college, the 70's, I fixed TVs.
Heavy smoke kills those older sets.
BTW: cockroaches do to.
I have vacuumed inches of roaches from the inside of TVs.
ug.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185320</id>
	<title>Re:Blame Goverment Regulations</title>
	<author>orlanz</author>
	<datestamp>1258825500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Disclaimer: SOX Auditor.</p><p>SOX isn't a bad thing!  If anything, it is a bit watered down.  SOX basically makes it a requirement what normal IT and Accounting people consider good practices and common sense.  Plus, you only need to be SOX compliant if you are publicly trading on a US exchange.  If you don't like it, move your stock to OTC or overseas to London, Hong Kong, and Japan!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Disclaimer : SOX Auditor.SOX is n't a bad thing !
If anything , it is a bit watered down .
SOX basically makes it a requirement what normal IT and Accounting people consider good practices and common sense .
Plus , you only need to be SOX compliant if you are publicly trading on a US exchange .
If you do n't like it , move your stock to OTC or overseas to London , Hong Kong , and Japan !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disclaimer: SOX Auditor.SOX isn't a bad thing!
If anything, it is a bit watered down.
SOX basically makes it a requirement what normal IT and Accounting people consider good practices and common sense.
Plus, you only need to be SOX compliant if you are publicly trading on a US exchange.
If you don't like it, move your stock to OTC or overseas to London, Hong Kong, and Japan!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30210856</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>gblfxt</author>
	<datestamp>1259094840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>lol, i worked at a law school, spoiled non-fireable teachers with tenure!  they smoke and drank up a storm.  never updated their computers though, and only really requested tech support if the systems were completely dead.  one guys computer was pretty sticky, but he smoked a ton of cigars....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lol , i worked at a law school , spoiled non-fireable teachers with tenure !
they smoke and drank up a storm .
never updated their computers though , and only really requested tech support if the systems were completely dead .
one guys computer was pretty sticky , but he smoked a ton of cigars... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lol, i worked at a law school, spoiled non-fireable teachers with tenure!
they smoke and drank up a storm.
never updated their computers though, and only really requested tech support if the systems were completely dead.
one guys computer was pretty sticky, but he smoked a ton of cigars....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184710</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184976</id>
	<title>Kep your Computer clean</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258823760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well If the P... errm Mac looked like this :<br>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/ventblockers/<br>then I'd probably not touch it either .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//Captcha:cleaning</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well If the P... errm Mac looked like this : http : //www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/ventblockers/then I 'd probably not touch it either .
//Captcha : cleaning</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well If the P... errm Mac looked like this :http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/13/ventblockers/then I'd probably not touch it either .
//Captcha:cleaning</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186874</id>
	<title>"Blame the government" valid in California</title>
	<author>DaveAtFraud</author>
	<datestamp>1258835040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Although it should actually be, "blame the people."  Back in the 1980s the people of California passed a resolution (Proposition 22?) that required that anything that led to exposure to carcinogens or substances known to cause birth defects had to be labelled.  This is one of the reasons wine bottles no longer have lead foil over the cork: some lead atoms could travel from the foil to the glass and then be picked up by the wine when it's poured and then on to the drinker where those one or two lead atoms could then possibly cause a birth defect.  Give me a break!</p><p>I also remember in the late 1980s that where I was working tried to accommodate smokers by collecting all of the smokers into a single area where they could puff away without exposing anyone else to second hand smoke.  That got shot down because the room the smokers moved to would be so contaminated with cigarette smoke that it would be considered carcinogenic to the people who did the cleaning.</p><p>Sounds like Apple may have valid legal reasons for not working on equipment that has been contaminated by cigarette smoke.</p><p>Only soft of OT plug for my favorite movie: "Thank you for smoking".  Absolutely great movie.</p><p>Cheers,<br>Dave</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Although it should actually be , " blame the people .
" Back in the 1980s the people of California passed a resolution ( Proposition 22 ?
) that required that anything that led to exposure to carcinogens or substances known to cause birth defects had to be labelled .
This is one of the reasons wine bottles no longer have lead foil over the cork : some lead atoms could travel from the foil to the glass and then be picked up by the wine when it 's poured and then on to the drinker where those one or two lead atoms could then possibly cause a birth defect .
Give me a break ! I also remember in the late 1980s that where I was working tried to accommodate smokers by collecting all of the smokers into a single area where they could puff away without exposing anyone else to second hand smoke .
That got shot down because the room the smokers moved to would be so contaminated with cigarette smoke that it would be considered carcinogenic to the people who did the cleaning.Sounds like Apple may have valid legal reasons for not working on equipment that has been contaminated by cigarette smoke.Only soft of OT plug for my favorite movie : " Thank you for smoking " .
Absolutely great movie.Cheers,Dave</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although it should actually be, "blame the people.
"  Back in the 1980s the people of California passed a resolution (Proposition 22?
) that required that anything that led to exposure to carcinogens or substances known to cause birth defects had to be labelled.
This is one of the reasons wine bottles no longer have lead foil over the cork: some lead atoms could travel from the foil to the glass and then be picked up by the wine when it's poured and then on to the drinker where those one or two lead atoms could then possibly cause a birth defect.
Give me a break!I also remember in the late 1980s that where I was working tried to accommodate smokers by collecting all of the smokers into a single area where they could puff away without exposing anyone else to second hand smoke.
That got shot down because the room the smokers moved to would be so contaminated with cigarette smoke that it would be considered carcinogenic to the people who did the cleaning.Sounds like Apple may have valid legal reasons for not working on equipment that has been contaminated by cigarette smoke.Only soft of OT plug for my favorite movie: "Thank you for smoking".
Absolutely great movie.Cheers,Dave</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185282</id>
	<title>Re:Wash it</title>
	<author>earnest murderer</author>
	<datestamp>1258825320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe not, but it doesn't excuse not honoring the warranty.</p><p>I don't think anyone is demanding they work on it. They're just as welcome to replace the device.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe not , but it does n't excuse not honoring the warranty.I do n't think anyone is demanding they work on it .
They 're just as welcome to replace the device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe not, but it doesn't excuse not honoring the warranty.I don't think anyone is demanding they work on it.
They're just as welcome to replace the device.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184412</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190882</id>
	<title>Re:I'm not surprised</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258823700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have bought Apple for ages. I sure as hell won't be buying Apple anymore, After they "obsolete" my equipment this time around, they can get screwed!, They are just a bunch of elitist control freaks.</p><p>Someone else can have my money, and it wont be Microsoft either!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have bought Apple for ages .
I sure as hell wo n't be buying Apple anymore , After they " obsolete " my equipment this time around , they can get screwed ! , They are just a bunch of elitist control freaks.Someone else can have my money , and it wont be Microsoft either !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have bought Apple for ages.
I sure as hell won't be buying Apple anymore, After they "obsolete" my equipment this time around, they can get screwed!, They are just a bunch of elitist control freaks.Someone else can have my money, and it wont be Microsoft either!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30189364</id>
	<title>Re:What about marijuna smoke?</title>
	<author>multiplexo</author>
	<datestamp>1258809180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not the particulates from the smoke that cause problems on the computers of stoners, it's micro-particulate Dorito and Oreo damage.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not the particulates from the smoke that cause problems on the computers of stoners , it 's micro-particulate Dorito and Oreo damage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not the particulates from the smoke that cause problems on the computers of stoners, it's micro-particulate Dorito and Oreo damage.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184458</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185268</id>
	<title>Re:Ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258825260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>OSHA does not prohibit working with dangerous materials (manufacturing and maintaining computers DOES involve doing so), it just requires proper safety procedures be observed when doing so.</i> </p><p>OSHA doesn't, but the State of Iowa does when it comes to anything related to smoking and the workplace.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OSHA does not prohibit working with dangerous materials ( manufacturing and maintaining computers DOES involve doing so ) , it just requires proper safety procedures be observed when doing so .
OSHA does n't , but the State of Iowa does when it comes to anything related to smoking and the workplace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> OSHA does not prohibit working with dangerous materials (manufacturing and maintaining computers DOES involve doing so), it just requires proper safety procedures be observed when doing so.
OSHA doesn't, but the State of Iowa does when it comes to anything related to smoking and the workplace.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184422</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190352</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258816980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>they can be discriminated against by private industry without any legal repercussions</i></p><p>Government does too.  I dont smoke but when I heard they had outlawed smoking in restaurants (in North Carolina) I thought the person was yanking my chain...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they can be discriminated against by private industry without any legal repercussionsGovernment does too .
I dont smoke but when I heard they had outlawed smoking in restaurants ( in North Carolina ) I thought the person was yanking my chain.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they can be discriminated against by private industry without any legal repercussionsGovernment does too.
I dont smoke but when I heard they had outlawed smoking in restaurants (in North Carolina) I thought the person was yanking my chain...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184480</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30192282</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>arikol</author>
	<datestamp>1258890120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to run a computer shop/maintenance.<br>The car repair shops and the car painting shop that we serviced all knew that their equipment would not last the full time. They were also honest about the conditions in which the equipment had to function.</p><p>There was no way in hell that a general warranty would be honored. However, we would do all repairs for them and replace anything which failed. If the failure was not due to the extreme environment, then the replacement was free (based on warranty).<br>In a car painting shop, even the office computer would get seriously gunked up even though there were extra filters on the air intakes. CD drives lasted around 6 months.</p><p>That's life. That's an extreme environment and is generally not covered by warranties. Good, honest working relationships means that problems do not arise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to run a computer shop/maintenance.The car repair shops and the car painting shop that we serviced all knew that their equipment would not last the full time .
They were also honest about the conditions in which the equipment had to function.There was no way in hell that a general warranty would be honored .
However , we would do all repairs for them and replace anything which failed .
If the failure was not due to the extreme environment , then the replacement was free ( based on warranty ) .In a car painting shop , even the office computer would get seriously gunked up even though there were extra filters on the air intakes .
CD drives lasted around 6 months.That 's life .
That 's an extreme environment and is generally not covered by warranties .
Good , honest working relationships means that problems do not arise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to run a computer shop/maintenance.The car repair shops and the car painting shop that we serviced all knew that their equipment would not last the full time.
They were also honest about the conditions in which the equipment had to function.There was no way in hell that a general warranty would be honored.
However, we would do all repairs for them and replace anything which failed.
If the failure was not due to the extreme environment, then the replacement was free (based on warranty).In a car painting shop, even the office computer would get seriously gunked up even though there were extra filters on the air intakes.
CD drives lasted around 6 months.That's life.
That's an extreme environment and is generally not covered by warranties.
Good, honest working relationships means that problems do not arise.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185814</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187352</id>
	<title>Re:I don't blame them</title>
	<author>gandhi\_2</author>
	<datestamp>1258795200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;Otherwise stop being a dick... jeez. Would you say that in person to someone you just randomly struck up a conversation with?</p><p>Not if he wanted to keep his teeth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; Otherwise stop being a dick... jeez. Would you say that in person to someone you just randomly struck up a conversation with ? Not if he wanted to keep his teeth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;Otherwise stop being a dick... jeez. Would you say that in person to someone you just randomly struck up a conversation with?Not if he wanted to keep his teeth.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185552</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190536</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258819080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as the hardware was subjected to environmental conditions that was not in any of the designed intended use</p><p>so when you are found half dead on the middle of the street due to a stroke do not expect the insurance company to honor the medical bill or the doctors to treat you because the intended use of your hadware was eating banananas in some tropical country<br>Who knows what hazardous nasties they would find inside of youe body after years of living in a urban environment full of trafic smog and being feed fast greasy food</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as the hardware was subjected to environmental conditions that was not in any of the designed intended useso when you are found half dead on the middle of the street due to a stroke do not expect the insurance company to honor the medical bill or the doctors to treat you because the intended use of your hadware was eating banananas in some tropical countryWho knows what hazardous nasties they would find inside of youe body after years of living in a urban environment full of trafic smog and being feed fast greasy food</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as the hardware was subjected to environmental conditions that was not in any of the designed intended useso when you are found half dead on the middle of the street due to a stroke do not expect the insurance company to honor the medical bill or the doctors to treat you because the intended use of your hadware was eating banananas in some tropical countryWho knows what hazardous nasties they would find inside of youe body after years of living in a urban environment full of trafic smog and being feed fast greasy food</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188552</id>
	<title>Re:What about cat owners?</title>
	<author>karsoe</author>
	<datestamp>1258803000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cats should be banned too. I've always thought so.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cats should be banned too .
I 've always thought so .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cats should be banned too.
I've always thought so.
:)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184892</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184638</id>
	<title>If this is true...</title>
	<author>sgage</author>
	<datestamp>1258821720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... it is the most absurd thing I've heard in a while. I am not a smoker, and don't like the smell that smoking leaves on clothing and such, but to refuse to work on a smoker's gadget because of "second hand smoke" is ridiculous. But then, Apple tends to the ridiculous.</p><p>Is this story legit? Can it be confirmed?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... it is the most absurd thing I 've heard in a while .
I am not a smoker , and do n't like the smell that smoking leaves on clothing and such , but to refuse to work on a smoker 's gadget because of " second hand smoke " is ridiculous .
But then , Apple tends to the ridiculous.Is this story legit ?
Can it be confirmed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... it is the most absurd thing I've heard in a while.
I am not a smoker, and don't like the smell that smoking leaves on clothing and such, but to refuse to work on a smoker's gadget because of "second hand smoke" is ridiculous.
But then, Apple tends to the ridiculous.Is this story legit?
Can it be confirmed?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187338</id>
	<title>Nicotine Stains?</title>
	<author>ThurstonMoore</author>
	<datestamp>1258795080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hate it when people call tar build up "nicotine stains", the stain is not caused by nicotine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate it when people call tar build up " nicotine stains " , the stain is not caused by nicotine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate it when people call tar build up "nicotine stains", the stain is not caused by nicotine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186330</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Jeff DeMaagd</author>
	<datestamp>1258831860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For all the people bitching out there, smoking has been demonstrated to cause premature failure to humans, particularly <b>second-hand smoke</b> which contains a Noah's Ark of nasty <b>bacteria</b> and pathogens.</p></div><p>Emphasis mine.</p><p>Really?  Please tell me what bacteria can survive being lit into a smoldering fire like that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For all the people bitching out there , smoking has been demonstrated to cause premature failure to humans , particularly second-hand smoke which contains a Noah 's Ark of nasty bacteria and pathogens.Emphasis mine.Really ?
Please tell me what bacteria can survive being lit into a smoldering fire like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For all the people bitching out there, smoking has been demonstrated to cause premature failure to humans, particularly second-hand smoke which contains a Noah's Ark of nasty bacteria and pathogens.Emphasis mine.Really?
Please tell me what bacteria can survive being lit into a smoldering fire like that.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184656</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30192616</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258897680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's important info missing in the article: was it being sent in during the first year after purchase or during extended warranty?<br>Within the first year, Apple is being bound by law. During the extended warranty, even though being paid for, Apple gets to set the rules.</p><p>In any case the article proves, Apple Customer Care "takes care" of their customers the Italian mob's way</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's important info missing in the article : was it being sent in during the first year after purchase or during extended warranty ? Within the first year , Apple is being bound by law .
During the extended warranty , even though being paid for , Apple gets to set the rules.In any case the article proves , Apple Customer Care " takes care " of their customers the Italian mob 's way</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's important info missing in the article: was it being sent in during the first year after purchase or during extended warranty?Within the first year, Apple is being bound by law.
During the extended warranty, even though being paid for, Apple gets to set the rules.In any case the article proves, Apple Customer Care "takes care" of their customers the Italian mob's way</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186992</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258835820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>there is no way smoke can harm a computer, and this story is just a big pile of BS.<br>there are no moving parts on a computer except from the fans and floppy or cd/dvd, hdds come sealed, cards are stuck on their slots and that keeps their contacts clean, have you ever seen a mineral-oil cooling system ever?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there is no way smoke can harm a computer , and this story is just a big pile of BS.there are no moving parts on a computer except from the fans and floppy or cd/dvd , hdds come sealed , cards are stuck on their slots and that keeps their contacts clean , have you ever seen a mineral-oil cooling system ever ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there is no way smoke can harm a computer, and this story is just a big pile of BS.there are no moving parts on a computer except from the fans and floppy or cd/dvd, hdds come sealed, cards are stuck on their slots and that keeps their contacts clean, have you ever seen a mineral-oil cooling system ever?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184656</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184544</id>
	<title>Re:I'm a PC...</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1258821180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're a PC and you're smoking, you need <a href="http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/96/Jun/nosmoke.html" title="netfunny.com">NOSMOKE.EXE</a> [netfunny.com].</p><p>(never thought I'd willingly post that old joke, but it's topical, so...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're a PC and you 're smoking , you need NOSMOKE.EXE [ netfunny.com ] .
( never thought I 'd willingly post that old joke , but it 's topical , so... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're a PC and you're smoking, you need NOSMOKE.EXE [netfunny.com].
(never thought I'd willingly post that old joke, but it's topical, so...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30189020</id>
	<title>Re:The solution is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258805880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, the solution is to hire smokers to work on smokers' computers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , the solution is to hire smokers to work on smokers ' computers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, the solution is to hire smokers to work on smokers' computers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184516</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188190</id>
	<title>Re:What about cat owners?</title>
	<author>Skapare</author>
	<datestamp>1258800540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cat hair does indeed clog computer air filters.  But that can be cleaned easily.  Vacuum the filters in the reverse direction, or wash them with plain water (no soap).  OTOH, cigarette tar and nicotine passes right through the filter and gradually deposits on the components (usually no harm to the component on the surface for a long time) and connectors (big problems happen here).  Hard drives are not really sealed.  They do have a breather filter to allow air to pass through.  This filter is a very fine (as in very tiny holes) one that can get clogged by cigarette smoke residue.  They are also at risk in commercial kitchens and automobile repair shops, in addition to homes of smokers.  I charge more<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... a lot more<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... to clean/repair computers from these places.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cat hair does indeed clog computer air filters .
But that can be cleaned easily .
Vacuum the filters in the reverse direction , or wash them with plain water ( no soap ) .
OTOH , cigarette tar and nicotine passes right through the filter and gradually deposits on the components ( usually no harm to the component on the surface for a long time ) and connectors ( big problems happen here ) .
Hard drives are not really sealed .
They do have a breather filter to allow air to pass through .
This filter is a very fine ( as in very tiny holes ) one that can get clogged by cigarette smoke residue .
They are also at risk in commercial kitchens and automobile repair shops , in addition to homes of smokers .
I charge more ... a lot more ... to clean/repair computers from these places .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cat hair does indeed clog computer air filters.
But that can be cleaned easily.
Vacuum the filters in the reverse direction, or wash them with plain water (no soap).
OTOH, cigarette tar and nicotine passes right through the filter and gradually deposits on the components (usually no harm to the component on the surface for a long time) and connectors (big problems happen here).
Hard drives are not really sealed.
They do have a breather filter to allow air to pass through.
This filter is a very fine (as in very tiny holes) one that can get clogged by cigarette smoke residue.
They are also at risk in commercial kitchens and automobile repair shops, in addition to homes of smokers.
I charge more ... a lot more ... to clean/repair computers from these places.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184892</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186078</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>HopeOS</author>
	<datestamp>1258830120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I didn't detect a word of facetiousness here.

Smokers have no rights outside of their natural rights to life, liberty, and property.

If you smoke and no one wants to be near you, work with you, or enter into a contract with you, then that's morally and ethically sound for both parties.

Same goes for parents with obnoxious children, people who cannot keep their pets from defecating in their neighbors yards, etc.

Responsible people don't take equipment back to the manufacturer and expect service for items that has been accumulating chemicals from a hazardous environment.

Personal responsibility would solve most of this problem.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't detect a word of facetiousness here .
Smokers have no rights outside of their natural rights to life , liberty , and property .
If you smoke and no one wants to be near you , work with you , or enter into a contract with you , then that 's morally and ethically sound for both parties .
Same goes for parents with obnoxious children , people who can not keep their pets from defecating in their neighbors yards , etc .
Responsible people do n't take equipment back to the manufacturer and expect service for items that has been accumulating chemicals from a hazardous environment .
Personal responsibility would solve most of this problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't detect a word of facetiousness here.
Smokers have no rights outside of their natural rights to life, liberty, and property.
If you smoke and no one wants to be near you, work with you, or enter into a contract with you, then that's morally and ethically sound for both parties.
Same goes for parents with obnoxious children, people who cannot keep their pets from defecating in their neighbors yards, etc.
Responsible people don't take equipment back to the manufacturer and expect service for items that has been accumulating chemicals from a hazardous environment.
Personal responsibility would solve most of this problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184846</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187420</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to deny</title>
	<author>StormReaver</author>
	<datestamp>1258795680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Smoking is a legal pleasure [for some odd definition of "pleasure"] that some people choose to indulge in in their own home. Apple's products should be designed to cope with functioning in a normal home environment, and when they don't that's what the warranty is for.</p></div><p>Urination is a legal pleasure that some people and other animals choose to indulge in in their own homes, too.  Should Apple be held responsible for urine streams aimed at the computer as well?  While the second-hand smoke claim is laughable, the damage done to electronic components by cigarette smoke is well known.  The warranty should certainly be voided, but for reasons completely different than given by Apple.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Smoking is a legal pleasure [ for some odd definition of " pleasure " ] that some people choose to indulge in in their own home .
Apple 's products should be designed to cope with functioning in a normal home environment , and when they do n't that 's what the warranty is for.Urination is a legal pleasure that some people and other animals choose to indulge in in their own homes , too .
Should Apple be held responsible for urine streams aimed at the computer as well ?
While the second-hand smoke claim is laughable , the damage done to electronic components by cigarette smoke is well known .
The warranty should certainly be voided , but for reasons completely different than given by Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Smoking is a legal pleasure [for some odd definition of "pleasure"] that some people choose to indulge in in their own home.
Apple's products should be designed to cope with functioning in a normal home environment, and when they don't that's what the warranty is for.Urination is a legal pleasure that some people and other animals choose to indulge in in their own homes, too.
Should Apple be held responsible for urine streams aimed at the computer as well?
While the second-hand smoke claim is laughable, the damage done to electronic components by cigarette smoke is well known.
The warranty should certainly be voided, but for reasons completely different than given by Apple.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186122</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190266</id>
	<title>warranties and environmental hazards</title>
	<author>WebCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1258816200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing is, many electronics vendors DO void warranty work for harsh operating environments.  If your mobile phone gets just damp enough to turn the litmus sticker red you are SOL.  If it can be determined that dust or temperature extremes were the root cause of failure then many devices are not covered.</p><p>Besides that, from my own personal experience, tobacco smoke residue has to be the second most hazardous substance on electronics I have encountered (the first being corrosive sulphur dust).  I have seen computers in coal mines covered in black soot that were much less affected than computers from point of sale systems used at pubs when smoking was allowed there.  At the mine computers easily lasted twice as long with simple maintenance with an aerosol dusted can.  NOTHING could clean that nicotine and tar sludge out of those smokers computers!</p><p>I am actually surprised that, with all the conditions that can void a warranty on electronics, that anyone would be surprised that smoking would void a warranty.  The only thing that I find surprising was the really lame excuse that it was a biohazard.  Apple should just be honest and say the real reason: tobacco sludge in your computer made it break, and since you put it there it isn't our problem and you have to pay for it.  I guess since some heavily addicted smokers have thin skins such a policy should be clearly but diplomatically pointed out at  time of purchase.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing is , many electronics vendors DO void warranty work for harsh operating environments .
If your mobile phone gets just damp enough to turn the litmus sticker red you are SOL .
If it can be determined that dust or temperature extremes were the root cause of failure then many devices are not covered.Besides that , from my own personal experience , tobacco smoke residue has to be the second most hazardous substance on electronics I have encountered ( the first being corrosive sulphur dust ) .
I have seen computers in coal mines covered in black soot that were much less affected than computers from point of sale systems used at pubs when smoking was allowed there .
At the mine computers easily lasted twice as long with simple maintenance with an aerosol dusted can .
NOTHING could clean that nicotine and tar sludge out of those smokers computers ! I am actually surprised that , with all the conditions that can void a warranty on electronics , that anyone would be surprised that smoking would void a warranty .
The only thing that I find surprising was the really lame excuse that it was a biohazard .
Apple should just be honest and say the real reason : tobacco sludge in your computer made it break , and since you put it there it is n't our problem and you have to pay for it .
I guess since some heavily addicted smokers have thin skins such a policy should be clearly but diplomatically pointed out at time of purchase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing is, many electronics vendors DO void warranty work for harsh operating environments.
If your mobile phone gets just damp enough to turn the litmus sticker red you are SOL.
If it can be determined that dust or temperature extremes were the root cause of failure then many devices are not covered.Besides that, from my own personal experience, tobacco smoke residue has to be the second most hazardous substance on electronics I have encountered (the first being corrosive sulphur dust).
I have seen computers in coal mines covered in black soot that were much less affected than computers from point of sale systems used at pubs when smoking was allowed there.
At the mine computers easily lasted twice as long with simple maintenance with an aerosol dusted can.
NOTHING could clean that nicotine and tar sludge out of those smokers computers!I am actually surprised that, with all the conditions that can void a warranty on electronics, that anyone would be surprised that smoking would void a warranty.
The only thing that I find surprising was the really lame excuse that it was a biohazard.
Apple should just be honest and say the real reason: tobacco sludge in your computer made it break, and since you put it there it isn't our problem and you have to pay for it.
I guess since some heavily addicted smokers have thin skins such a policy should be clearly but diplomatically pointed out at  time of purchase.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30192788</id>
	<title>What about pot smoke?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258899900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I spent many years puffing away in front of my computers, and I have to admit I didn't always blow the smoke away from the equipment.

My wife killed my netware server by cooking chickens in the oven and the chicken fat smoke killed the fan in my machine and it overheated...

There is something to be said about blowing smoke into sensitive electronic gear, especially floppy drives and hard disk bearings.

Just my two cents...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I spent many years puffing away in front of my computers , and I have to admit I did n't always blow the smoke away from the equipment .
My wife killed my netware server by cooking chickens in the oven and the chicken fat smoke killed the fan in my machine and it overheated.. . There is something to be said about blowing smoke into sensitive electronic gear , especially floppy drives and hard disk bearings .
Just my two cents.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I spent many years puffing away in front of my computers, and I have to admit I didn't always blow the smoke away from the equipment.
My wife killed my netware server by cooking chickens in the oven and the chicken fat smoke killed the fan in my machine and it overheated...

There is something to be said about blowing smoke into sensitive electronic gear, especially floppy drives and hard disk bearings.
Just my two cents...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188424</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258802040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Second That - Tar with dust sure make trouble - Every ACE-TV Repair Shop out there have a Vacuum Cleaner or Two.<br>Tar can often be removed, but at a high cost involving chemical cleaning with ultrasound.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Second That - Tar with dust sure make trouble - Every ACE-TV Repair Shop out there have a Vacuum Cleaner or Two.Tar can often be removed , but at a high cost involving chemical cleaning with ultrasound .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Second That - Tar with dust sure make trouble - Every ACE-TV Repair Shop out there have a Vacuum Cleaner or Two.Tar can often be removed, but at a high cost involving chemical cleaning with ultrasound.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184462</id>
	<title>As a nonsmoking apple fan</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1258820820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm insulted, and appalled. What is next, refusing service if you have ( legal ) things they don't approve of on your drive ( like porn? )</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm insulted , and appalled .
What is next , refusing service if you have ( legal ) things they do n't approve of on your drive ( like porn ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm insulted, and appalled.
What is next, refusing service if you have ( legal ) things they don't approve of on your drive ( like porn?
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186946</id>
	<title>Apple is RIGHT -- smokers' computers are FOUL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258835520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A long time ago, I worked at a retail clone shop.  We spent most of our time assembling custom clones, or upgrading or repairing machines that people brought in.</p><p>We could ALWAYS spot the smoker's machines.  They were filthy, disgusting -- inside and out.  Inside the machines, the fans continuously pull air across heat sinks -- and these become smoke filters.  A tiny little accumulation of dust or lint sticks to the tar in the air, and quickly accumulates *more* dust or lint, which accumulates more tar (it's sticky).  Pretty soon you have this absolutely FILTHY sludge stuck to everything.  Even just opening the machine, you get this foul stuff stuck to your hands.  We had a pair of dishwashing gloves that we would use, when we had to open these machines and work on them.  The stuff accumulates most on heatsinks, but also on any part that sticks out (like a coil or a socketed chip) or has a sharp edge (like a PCB/card).</p><p>I cannot describe how disgusting it was.  I haven't even mentioned the smell.  Every time you disturb one of these clusters of accumulated funk, it released this NASTY smell, like some drunk, dying smoker at a bar just flopped over on you and breathed his last in your face.  We used to take the machines out into the parking lot, and take a few cans of canned air, and spray most of that crap out.  We used to do it inside, but we learned the hard way that then the funk STAYS around.</p><p>I think Apple is completely justified in not wanting its employees to work on completely foul machines.  I imagine no one would expect Apple to repair machines that people have vomited in, taken a shit in, or otherwise have fouled.  I don't see why cigarette smoke gets a pass, just because a lot of people smoke.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A long time ago , I worked at a retail clone shop .
We spent most of our time assembling custom clones , or upgrading or repairing machines that people brought in.We could ALWAYS spot the smoker 's machines .
They were filthy , disgusting -- inside and out .
Inside the machines , the fans continuously pull air across heat sinks -- and these become smoke filters .
A tiny little accumulation of dust or lint sticks to the tar in the air , and quickly accumulates * more * dust or lint , which accumulates more tar ( it 's sticky ) .
Pretty soon you have this absolutely FILTHY sludge stuck to everything .
Even just opening the machine , you get this foul stuff stuck to your hands .
We had a pair of dishwashing gloves that we would use , when we had to open these machines and work on them .
The stuff accumulates most on heatsinks , but also on any part that sticks out ( like a coil or a socketed chip ) or has a sharp edge ( like a PCB/card ) .I can not describe how disgusting it was .
I have n't even mentioned the smell .
Every time you disturb one of these clusters of accumulated funk , it released this NASTY smell , like some drunk , dying smoker at a bar just flopped over on you and breathed his last in your face .
We used to take the machines out into the parking lot , and take a few cans of canned air , and spray most of that crap out .
We used to do it inside , but we learned the hard way that then the funk STAYS around.I think Apple is completely justified in not wanting its employees to work on completely foul machines .
I imagine no one would expect Apple to repair machines that people have vomited in , taken a shit in , or otherwise have fouled .
I do n't see why cigarette smoke gets a pass , just because a lot of people smoke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A long time ago, I worked at a retail clone shop.
We spent most of our time assembling custom clones, or upgrading or repairing machines that people brought in.We could ALWAYS spot the smoker's machines.
They were filthy, disgusting -- inside and out.
Inside the machines, the fans continuously pull air across heat sinks -- and these become smoke filters.
A tiny little accumulation of dust or lint sticks to the tar in the air, and quickly accumulates *more* dust or lint, which accumulates more tar (it's sticky).
Pretty soon you have this absolutely FILTHY sludge stuck to everything.
Even just opening the machine, you get this foul stuff stuck to your hands.
We had a pair of dishwashing gloves that we would use, when we had to open these machines and work on them.
The stuff accumulates most on heatsinks, but also on any part that sticks out (like a coil or a socketed chip) or has a sharp edge (like a PCB/card).I cannot describe how disgusting it was.
I haven't even mentioned the smell.
Every time you disturb one of these clusters of accumulated funk, it released this NASTY smell, like some drunk, dying smoker at a bar just flopped over on you and breathed his last in your face.
We used to take the machines out into the parking lot, and take a few cans of canned air, and spray most of that crap out.
We used to do it inside, but we learned the hard way that then the funk STAYS around.I think Apple is completely justified in not wanting its employees to work on completely foul machines.
I imagine no one would expect Apple to repair machines that people have vomited in, taken a shit in, or otherwise have fouled.
I don't see why cigarette smoke gets a pass, just because a lot of people smoke.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30195838</id>
	<title>Not a smoker, but still understand how WRONG this</title>
	<author>cboslin</author>
	<datestamp>1258880760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am so glad I never started smoking and encourage others to quit, but there is nothing right about this.  Smacks of yet another corporation doing anything it can to NOT honor their commitments.  That is more disgusting than any smoker could ever be.

</p><p>And I know how bad smoking can be, once looked at a house for sale, with the three people living there, all three smoking as we were going through the house, probably in a lame attempt to hide the fact that their house reeked of smoke.  Very unusual for people to be in the home when a Realtor is showing their home to prospective buyers.  And one of the two of us had asthma, so we were sensitive to potential breathing issues in homes.  The upper third of the walls, in all rooms of the home, were a burnt brown-orange color that we guessed was from nicotine.  Needless to say we were in and out of that home real fast.  Even if we could somehow strip and clean the walls, we were not convinced that we could successfully clean the duct work from that much nicotine buildup, ugh.  Obviously this example is on the less than 1\% extreme side for smoking, trust me it was disgusting.  As awful as that was, Apple's stance on not honoring their warranty is more reprehensible to me.

</p><p>Even with that negative experience and being a non smoker, I still can not see how any corporation can welch on their obligations (warranty) based on smoking alone.

</p><p>OSHA violations my behind.  They could at least remove the PC from the offending environment and work on it in a cleaner place.

</p><p>I am sick and tired for corporations enriching themselves at the expense of consumers.  If this article is true, something tells me it is, Apple is on the same list with Health Care Companies, Telcos, especially Cellular companies, Insurance Companies, Financial Companies, Hospitals, Banks, Credit Companies (all types), Oil Companies, Cable Companies, add-your-favorite customer-no-service-company here.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>To protect yourself from a corporation, use <a href="&rdquo;http://www.ripoffreport.com/&rdquo;" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">RipOffReports.com</a> [slashdot.org] and check them out.  Unlike the Better Business Bureau were a company can be a sponser and have negative reports removed, with RipOffReports, the company can (and should) respond, but the complaints, even after satisfactorily being resolved are NEVER removed.</p>  </div><p>I once checked out the <b>top 10 banks</b> in the country...all of them had complaints <b>in the multiple thousands</b>, not just a few.  The complaints from customers of greater than 3 years, 5 years and 7 years are particularly telling.

</p><p>Same with the <b>Wireless ~ Cellular</b> companies.  There was NOT a single good player in the group, all of them have hundreds, if not thousands of customer-no-service-complaints!  If they cared about you and me, they would attempt to make it right.  Since they do not it is obvious that they believe that they do not have too.

</p><p>All the industries mentioned above <a href="&rdquo;http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Assume&rdquo;" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">ASSUME</a> [slashdot.org] (<i>for me they assume wrongly</i>) that as consumers we have NO CHOICE and we will just switch from one bad company to another.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If you only have two choices, you have no choice.</p></div><p>You always have choices and if you can not find at least three options, you are not looking hard enough or from enough different persectives.  As for <a href="&rdquo;http://www.ripoffreport.com/&rdquo;" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">RipOffReports.com</a> [slashdot.org], I expect companies to have a few complaints, its how they respond to those complaints that matter to me.  What excuse is acceptable, not  to even respond, to not even attempt to <i>make it right</i> with the customer, well there is NO EXCUSE on the company's part for that neglect of customer service.  Obviously they are counting on all of us being SHEEP and not caring what they do to our neighbors.  Hold them accountable, your children and your friends children will thank you one day!

</p><p>There is only ONE solution, all of us, to a person, must stop doing business with companies that treat ANYONE with such dis-interest, dis-respect, greed and obvious miss-treatment.  If you continue to do business with a company that treats any individual (<i>related to you or not</i>) with such obvious contempt you only embolden that company to do likewise to you, your family, your neighbors, your community.

</p><p>When enough people react to a company's bad business practices and stop buying their products, they will have no choice but to change their business practices.  That or go out of business.  Hopefully a new company will enter the market that actually believes in customer service and shows that belief via their actions (<i>ACTIONS are the only performance measurement that matters</i>) will replace the bad acting companies in all sectors, that would be ideal.  But these companies today have lost their way and they do not believe they need to change...it is up to each of us to force them to care, via our hard earned dollars ($$$$).

</p><p>One person can and will make all the difference!

</p><p>Apple is being very short sighted to not honor a warranty for any reason, repeat that 	ANY REASON!  Huge Apple Fail!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am so glad I never started smoking and encourage others to quit , but there is nothing right about this .
Smacks of yet another corporation doing anything it can to NOT honor their commitments .
That is more disgusting than any smoker could ever be .
And I know how bad smoking can be , once looked at a house for sale , with the three people living there , all three smoking as we were going through the house , probably in a lame attempt to hide the fact that their house reeked of smoke .
Very unusual for people to be in the home when a Realtor is showing their home to prospective buyers .
And one of the two of us had asthma , so we were sensitive to potential breathing issues in homes .
The upper third of the walls , in all rooms of the home , were a burnt brown-orange color that we guessed was from nicotine .
Needless to say we were in and out of that home real fast .
Even if we could somehow strip and clean the walls , we were not convinced that we could successfully clean the duct work from that much nicotine buildup , ugh .
Obviously this example is on the less than 1 \ % extreme side for smoking , trust me it was disgusting .
As awful as that was , Apple 's stance on not honoring their warranty is more reprehensible to me .
Even with that negative experience and being a non smoker , I still can not see how any corporation can welch on their obligations ( warranty ) based on smoking alone .
OSHA violations my behind .
They could at least remove the PC from the offending environment and work on it in a cleaner place .
I am sick and tired for corporations enriching themselves at the expense of consumers .
If this article is true , something tells me it is , Apple is on the same list with Health Care Companies , Telcos , especially Cellular companies , Insurance Companies , Financial Companies , Hospitals , Banks , Credit Companies ( all types ) , Oil Companies , Cable Companies , add-your-favorite customer-no-service-company here.To protect yourself from a corporation , use RipOffReports.com [ slashdot.org ] and check them out .
Unlike the Better Business Bureau were a company can be a sponser and have negative reports removed , with RipOffReports , the company can ( and should ) respond , but the complaints , even after satisfactorily being resolved are NEVER removed .
I once checked out the top 10 banks in the country...all of them had complaints in the multiple thousands , not just a few .
The complaints from customers of greater than 3 years , 5 years and 7 years are particularly telling .
Same with the Wireless ~ Cellular companies .
There was NOT a single good player in the group , all of them have hundreds , if not thousands of customer-no-service-complaints !
If they cared about you and me , they would attempt to make it right .
Since they do not it is obvious that they believe that they do not have too .
All the industries mentioned above ASSUME [ slashdot.org ] ( for me they assume wrongly ) that as consumers we have NO CHOICE and we will just switch from one bad company to another.If you only have two choices , you have no choice.You always have choices and if you can not find at least three options , you are not looking hard enough or from enough different persectives .
As for RipOffReports.com [ slashdot.org ] , I expect companies to have a few complaints , its how they respond to those complaints that matter to me .
What excuse is acceptable , not to even respond , to not even attempt to make it right with the customer , well there is NO EXCUSE on the company 's part for that neglect of customer service .
Obviously they are counting on all of us being SHEEP and not caring what they do to our neighbors .
Hold them accountable , your children and your friends children will thank you one day !
There is only ONE solution , all of us , to a person , must stop doing business with companies that treat ANYONE with such dis-interest , dis-respect , greed and obvious miss-treatment .
If you continue to do business with a company that treats any individual ( related to you or not ) with such obvious contempt you only embolden that company to do likewise to you , your family , your neighbors , your community .
When enough people react to a company 's bad business practices and stop buying their products , they will have no choice but to change their business practices .
That or go out of business .
Hopefully a new company will enter the market that actually believes in customer service and shows that belief via their actions ( ACTIONS are the only performance measurement that matters ) will replace the bad acting companies in all sectors , that would be ideal .
But these companies today have lost their way and they do not believe they need to change...it is up to each of us to force them to care , via our hard earned dollars ( $ $ $ $ ) .
One person can and will make all the difference !
Apple is being very short sighted to not honor a warranty for any reason , repeat that ANY REASON !
Huge Apple Fail !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am so glad I never started smoking and encourage others to quit, but there is nothing right about this.
Smacks of yet another corporation doing anything it can to NOT honor their commitments.
That is more disgusting than any smoker could ever be.
And I know how bad smoking can be, once looked at a house for sale, with the three people living there, all three smoking as we were going through the house, probably in a lame attempt to hide the fact that their house reeked of smoke.
Very unusual for people to be in the home when a Realtor is showing their home to prospective buyers.
And one of the two of us had asthma, so we were sensitive to potential breathing issues in homes.
The upper third of the walls, in all rooms of the home, were a burnt brown-orange color that we guessed was from nicotine.
Needless to say we were in and out of that home real fast.
Even if we could somehow strip and clean the walls, we were not convinced that we could successfully clean the duct work from that much nicotine buildup, ugh.
Obviously this example is on the less than 1\% extreme side for smoking, trust me it was disgusting.
As awful as that was, Apple's stance on not honoring their warranty is more reprehensible to me.
Even with that negative experience and being a non smoker, I still can not see how any corporation can welch on their obligations (warranty) based on smoking alone.
OSHA violations my behind.
They could at least remove the PC from the offending environment and work on it in a cleaner place.
I am sick and tired for corporations enriching themselves at the expense of consumers.
If this article is true, something tells me it is, Apple is on the same list with Health Care Companies, Telcos, especially Cellular companies, Insurance Companies, Financial Companies, Hospitals, Banks, Credit Companies (all types), Oil Companies, Cable Companies, add-your-favorite customer-no-service-company here.To protect yourself from a corporation, use RipOffReports.com [slashdot.org] and check them out.
Unlike the Better Business Bureau were a company can be a sponser and have negative reports removed, with RipOffReports, the company can (and should) respond, but the complaints, even after satisfactorily being resolved are NEVER removed.
I once checked out the top 10 banks in the country...all of them had complaints in the multiple thousands, not just a few.
The complaints from customers of greater than 3 years, 5 years and 7 years are particularly telling.
Same with the Wireless ~ Cellular companies.
There was NOT a single good player in the group, all of them have hundreds, if not thousands of customer-no-service-complaints!
If they cared about you and me, they would attempt to make it right.
Since they do not it is obvious that they believe that they do not have too.
All the industries mentioned above ASSUME [slashdot.org] (for me they assume wrongly) that as consumers we have NO CHOICE and we will just switch from one bad company to another.If you only have two choices, you have no choice.You always have choices and if you can not find at least three options, you are not looking hard enough or from enough different persectives.
As for RipOffReports.com [slashdot.org], I expect companies to have a few complaints, its how they respond to those complaints that matter to me.
What excuse is acceptable, not  to even respond, to not even attempt to make it right with the customer, well there is NO EXCUSE on the company's part for that neglect of customer service.
Obviously they are counting on all of us being SHEEP and not caring what they do to our neighbors.
Hold them accountable, your children and your friends children will thank you one day!
There is only ONE solution, all of us, to a person, must stop doing business with companies that treat ANYONE with such dis-interest, dis-respect, greed and obvious miss-treatment.
If you continue to do business with a company that treats any individual (related to you or not) with such obvious contempt you only embolden that company to do likewise to you, your family, your neighbors, your community.
When enough people react to a company's bad business practices and stop buying their products, they will have no choice but to change their business practices.
That or go out of business.
Hopefully a new company will enter the market that actually believes in customer service and shows that belief via their actions (ACTIONS are the only performance measurement that matters) will replace the bad acting companies in all sectors, that would be ideal.
But these companies today have lost their way and they do not believe they need to change...it is up to each of us to force them to care, via our hard earned dollars ($$$$).
One person can and will make all the difference!
Apple is being very short sighted to not honor a warranty for any reason, repeat that 	ANY REASON!
Huge Apple Fail!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187280</id>
	<title>Re:lead? asbestos?</title>
	<author>Anti\_Climax</author>
	<datestamp>1258794660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You might want to actually *read* the article you linked to:</p><blockquote><div><p>The currently available literature indicates that nicotine, on its own, does not promote the development of cancer in healthy tissue and has no mutagenic properties</p></div></blockquote><p>I won't try and say that the residue left in those computers by cigarette smoke doesn't have carcinogens in it, but nicotine isn't one of them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You might want to actually * read * the article you linked to : The currently available literature indicates that nicotine , on its own , does not promote the development of cancer in healthy tissue and has no mutagenic propertiesI wo n't try and say that the residue left in those computers by cigarette smoke does n't have carcinogens in it , but nicotine is n't one of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might want to actually *read* the article you linked to:The currently available literature indicates that nicotine, on its own, does not promote the development of cancer in healthy tissue and has no mutagenic propertiesI won't try and say that the residue left in those computers by cigarette smoke doesn't have carcinogens in it, but nicotine isn't one of them.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184458</id>
	<title>What about marijuna smoke?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That would void the warranties of about 90\% of all apple products sold.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That would void the warranties of about 90 \ % of all apple products sold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would void the warranties of about 90\% of all apple products sold.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185426</id>
	<title>Re:I'm not surprised</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1258826160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They refused to service my iPhone.  Only one of two detectors was slightly discolored.  Actually they were going to replace it initially, but then I told them why it needed repaired.</p><p>I fell into a lake while fishing, and when I got out, much to my dismay, water literally POURED out of the headphone jack for several seconds.</p><p>I take my phone with me in the bathroom when I take a shower so I can browser porn^H^H^H^Hslashdot while the water warms up.  This small bathroom is generally so filled with steam by the time the shower is over that the glass is beading water all over it.  The detectors don't trigger.</p><p>If your litmus detector flags, in my experience, the device has been freaking drenched, regardless of the people posting online who have drown their devices and are trying to scam replacements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They refused to service my iPhone .
Only one of two detectors was slightly discolored .
Actually they were going to replace it initially , but then I told them why it needed repaired.I fell into a lake while fishing , and when I got out , much to my dismay , water literally POURED out of the headphone jack for several seconds.I take my phone with me in the bathroom when I take a shower so I can browser porn ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ Hslashdot while the water warms up .
This small bathroom is generally so filled with steam by the time the shower is over that the glass is beading water all over it .
The detectors do n't trigger.If your litmus detector flags , in my experience , the device has been freaking drenched , regardless of the people posting online who have drown their devices and are trying to scam replacements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They refused to service my iPhone.
Only one of two detectors was slightly discolored.
Actually they were going to replace it initially, but then I told them why it needed repaired.I fell into a lake while fishing, and when I got out, much to my dismay, water literally POURED out of the headphone jack for several seconds.I take my phone with me in the bathroom when I take a shower so I can browser porn^H^H^H^Hslashdot while the water warms up.
This small bathroom is generally so filled with steam by the time the shower is over that the glass is beading water all over it.
The detectors don't trigger.If your litmus detector flags, in my experience, the device has been freaking drenched, regardless of the people posting online who have drown their devices and are trying to scam replacements.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184714</id>
	<title>So is beer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258822140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you spilled beer in the keyboard would you expect them to replace it under warranty?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you spilled beer in the keyboard would you expect them to replace it under warranty ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you spilled beer in the keyboard would you expect them to replace it under warranty?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184910</id>
	<title>What about candle burners and perfumes?</title>
	<author>russg</author>
	<datestamp>1258823340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've worked on computers from time to time and the worst are those from people who burn candles or that seem to have way too much perfume in their home.  The candles leave residue just like smoking.  Oh and don't forget the fur-balls when the computer sits on the floor with a cat in the house.</p><p>I suppose Apple will void the warranties on those folks too?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've worked on computers from time to time and the worst are those from people who burn candles or that seem to have way too much perfume in their home .
The candles leave residue just like smoking .
Oh and do n't forget the fur-balls when the computer sits on the floor with a cat in the house.I suppose Apple will void the warranties on those folks too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've worked on computers from time to time and the worst are those from people who burn candles or that seem to have way too much perfume in their home.
The candles leave residue just like smoking.
Oh and don't forget the fur-balls when the computer sits on the floor with a cat in the house.I suppose Apple will void the warranties on those folks too?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184646</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258821840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I like the idea of penalizing someone who disturbs me with stinking, annoying, stupid, health-wasting of themselves and others, smoke.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like the idea of penalizing someone who disturbs me with stinking , annoying , stupid , health-wasting of themselves and others , smoke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like the idea of penalizing someone who disturbs me with stinking, annoying, stupid, health-wasting of themselves and others, smoke.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184420</id>
	<title>The fanbois are quiet on this one</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ROFL I cant wait to see how Stevo's groupies try to spin Apple out of this nonsense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ROFL I cant wait to see how Stevo 's groupies try to spin Apple out of this nonsense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ROFL I cant wait to see how Stevo's groupies try to spin Apple out of this nonsense.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187832</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258798020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>particularly second-hand smoke which contains a Noah's Ark of nasty <b>bacteria and pathogens</b>.</p></div></blockquote><p>+5 Informative?</p><p>Hang on, Let me dig out my bridge sales listings for you. I've got some awesome deals here for you.</p><p>P.S. watch out for the air that non-smokers exhale, bacteria and viruses thrive in their unpolluted respiratory tracts.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>particularly second-hand smoke which contains a Noah 's Ark of nasty bacteria and pathogens. + 5 Informative ? Hang on , Let me dig out my bridge sales listings for you .
I 've got some awesome deals here for you.P.S .
watch out for the air that non-smokers exhale , bacteria and viruses thrive in their unpolluted respiratory tracts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>particularly second-hand smoke which contains a Noah's Ark of nasty bacteria and pathogens.+5 Informative?Hang on, Let me dig out my bridge sales listings for you.
I've got some awesome deals here for you.P.S.
watch out for the air that non-smokers exhale, bacteria and viruses thrive in their unpolluted respiratory tracts.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186686</id>
	<title>The "biohazard" stuff is crap.</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1258833780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Well, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/03/health/research/03smoke.html?\_r=1" title="nytimes.com">third-hand smoke</a> [nytimes.com] is considered by at least some docs to be a direct cancer risk.</i></p><p>The NYT doesn't say anything about peer reviews of the study though.  Now it does list some of the substances that so called third-hand smoke contains but it doesn't mention what vehicle exhaust contains or the poisons that food is sprayed with.  Nor does it say anything about the <a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/efficiency/carbon\_emissions/paper.html" title="doe.gov">emissions</a> [doe.gov] from the <a href="http://www.edf.org/article.cfm?contentid=1689" title="edf.org">paper industry</a> [edf.org].</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , third-hand smoke [ nytimes.com ] is considered by at least some docs to be a direct cancer risk.The NYT does n't say anything about peer reviews of the study though .
Now it does list some of the substances that so called third-hand smoke contains but it does n't mention what vehicle exhaust contains or the poisons that food is sprayed with .
Nor does it say anything about the emissions [ doe.gov ] from the paper industry [ edf.org ] .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, third-hand smoke [nytimes.com] is considered by at least some docs to be a direct cancer risk.The NYT doesn't say anything about peer reviews of the study though.
Now it does list some of the substances that so called third-hand smoke contains but it doesn't mention what vehicle exhaust contains or the poisons that food is sprayed with.
Nor does it say anything about the emissions [doe.gov] from the paper industry [edf.org].
Falcon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187074</id>
	<title>R you all out of your minds?</title>
	<author>narkis</author>
	<datestamp>1258836420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even an argument about this is ludicrous!

These "repairman" should be taken to small claims for not doing their job and if Apple officially backs this BS - they are off their rocker!

This must be a joke! This has got to be a joke! I am literally laughing at Apple, or any Mac user who still imagines that he/she has a "reasonable" company behind them!
Sorry - this would be my last star to drop Apple off the cliff.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even an argument about this is ludicrous !
These " repairman " should be taken to small claims for not doing their job and if Apple officially backs this BS - they are off their rocker !
This must be a joke !
This has got to be a joke !
I am literally laughing at Apple , or any Mac user who still imagines that he/she has a " reasonable " company behind them !
Sorry - this would be my last star to drop Apple off the cliff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even an argument about this is ludicrous!
These "repairman" should be taken to small claims for not doing their job and if Apple officially backs this BS - they are off their rocker!
This must be a joke!
This has got to be a joke!
I am literally laughing at Apple, or any Mac user who still imagines that he/she has a "reasonable" company behind them!
Sorry - this would be my last star to drop Apple off the cliff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185636</id>
	<title>An Apple decision I can live with</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1258827300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mostly anti-apple here.  But I have ALWAYS hated what cigarette smoke does to computers.  When such damage happens to stuff due to a fire in the home, they call it "smoke damage."  I recognize some differences such as the temperature of the room when such damage occurs, but if I were Apple, I would first require that the source of the offensive smell be removed from the computer prior to completion of any warranty covered work.  This would say "fine, you can smoke around your computer, but don't expect us to work on it until you have removed the offensive substance from the computer."  But then again, try removing the substance without voiding the warranty...</p><p>The bottom line I think is that users are subjecting the computers to damage that is not covered under warranty.  And it is a biohazard to expect people to work on these things in that state.  Working on computers with smoke damage has, at times, caused severe dizziness and disorientation and prevented me from being able to concentrate on the work that was to be done.  Such condition call for some sort of "push back" from the supplier of service and support.  I hold that it is unreasonable to expect people to work under those conditions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mostly anti-apple here .
But I have ALWAYS hated what cigarette smoke does to computers .
When such damage happens to stuff due to a fire in the home , they call it " smoke damage .
" I recognize some differences such as the temperature of the room when such damage occurs , but if I were Apple , I would first require that the source of the offensive smell be removed from the computer prior to completion of any warranty covered work .
This would say " fine , you can smoke around your computer , but do n't expect us to work on it until you have removed the offensive substance from the computer .
" But then again , try removing the substance without voiding the warranty...The bottom line I think is that users are subjecting the computers to damage that is not covered under warranty .
And it is a biohazard to expect people to work on these things in that state .
Working on computers with smoke damage has , at times , caused severe dizziness and disorientation and prevented me from being able to concentrate on the work that was to be done .
Such condition call for some sort of " push back " from the supplier of service and support .
I hold that it is unreasonable to expect people to work under those conditions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mostly anti-apple here.
But I have ALWAYS hated what cigarette smoke does to computers.
When such damage happens to stuff due to a fire in the home, they call it "smoke damage.
"  I recognize some differences such as the temperature of the room when such damage occurs, but if I were Apple, I would first require that the source of the offensive smell be removed from the computer prior to completion of any warranty covered work.
This would say "fine, you can smoke around your computer, but don't expect us to work on it until you have removed the offensive substance from the computer.
"  But then again, try removing the substance without voiding the warranty...The bottom line I think is that users are subjecting the computers to damage that is not covered under warranty.
And it is a biohazard to expect people to work on these things in that state.
Working on computers with smoke damage has, at times, caused severe dizziness and disorientation and prevented me from being able to concentrate on the work that was to be done.
Such condition call for some sort of "push back" from the supplier of service and support.
I hold that it is unreasonable to expect people to work under those conditions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184526</id>
	<title>Blame Goverment Regulations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258821120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Conforming to government regulations is ridiculous, Sarbanes-Oxley and OSHA.  Bitch to your senator or congressmen about diminished freedom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Conforming to government regulations is ridiculous , Sarbanes-Oxley and OSHA .
Bitch to your senator or congressmen about diminished freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Conforming to government regulations is ridiculous, Sarbanes-Oxley and OSHA.
Bitch to your senator or congressmen about diminished freedom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185604</id>
	<title>Is Biohazard cleanup cheap and easy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258827120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>    Can anyone name a computer service that can properly clean a machine that qualifies as a biohazard?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; I've both refused to repair systems with vapor deposition of true nastiness, as well as seen the allergic reaction of a poor fool who worked on a similar machine.  If a machine's components have a sticky yellow coating on them from so much smoke going through the system, you need gloves to handle those components, and you need to remove the sticky film so they will work properly.  Apple stores are not equipped to do that.  As with most OSHA stuff, you need to know the rules to protect yourself, no one is tasked with telling you, "You will have a skin reaction and cough for the next few days."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can anyone name a computer service that can properly clean a machine that qualifies as a biohazard ?
    I 've both refused to repair systems with vapor deposition of true nastiness , as well as seen the allergic reaction of a poor fool who worked on a similar machine .
If a machine 's components have a sticky yellow coating on them from so much smoke going through the system , you need gloves to handle those components , and you need to remove the sticky film so they will work properly .
Apple stores are not equipped to do that .
As with most OSHA stuff , you need to know the rules to protect yourself , no one is tasked with telling you , " You will have a skin reaction and cough for the next few days .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>    Can anyone name a computer service that can properly clean a machine that qualifies as a biohazard?
    I've both refused to repair systems with vapor deposition of true nastiness, as well as seen the allergic reaction of a poor fool who worked on a similar machine.
If a machine's components have a sticky yellow coating on them from so much smoke going through the system, you need gloves to handle those components, and you need to remove the sticky film so they will work properly.
Apple stores are not equipped to do that.
As with most OSHA stuff, you need to know the rules to protect yourself, no one is tasked with telling you, "You will have a skin reaction and cough for the next few days.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187694</id>
	<title>Re:I'm not surprised</title>
	<author>muonzoo</author>
	<datestamp>1258797180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most consumer electronics companies embed moisture and shock detection elements in their products. It is in their best interest to protect themselves against warranty fraud and abuse. In some cases, they will overlook these items, depending on the circumstances surrounding the story. I know for certain that RIM (BlackBerry) has these in their devices too.

Apple is far from alone in this regard. It is a very common practice in high-value, portable consumer electronics.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most consumer electronics companies embed moisture and shock detection elements in their products .
It is in their best interest to protect themselves against warranty fraud and abuse .
In some cases , they will overlook these items , depending on the circumstances surrounding the story .
I know for certain that RIM ( BlackBerry ) has these in their devices too .
Apple is far from alone in this regard .
It is a very common practice in high-value , portable consumer electronics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most consumer electronics companies embed moisture and shock detection elements in their products.
It is in their best interest to protect themselves against warranty fraud and abuse.
In some cases, they will overlook these items, depending on the circumstances surrounding the story.
I know for certain that RIM (BlackBerry) has these in their devices too.
Apple is far from alone in this regard.
It is a very common practice in high-value, portable consumer electronics.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186578</id>
	<title>Re:Wash it</title>
	<author>codematic</author>
	<datestamp>1258833240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OMG they are POSTAL over water damage on those... so im thinking they'd say its voiding the warranty...</htmltext>
<tokenext>OMG they are POSTAL over water damage on those... so im thinking they 'd say its voiding the warranty.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OMG they are POSTAL over water damage on those... so im thinking they'd say its voiding the warranty...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188604</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258803420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can dunk the entire motherboard in an hydrocarbon based solvent and scrub. Wash it off afterwards and make sure you let it completely dry.</p><p>About 5 min of work, and 2 hours of waiting and your computer is so good to go.</p><p>I don't understand why so many people are afraid to use a cleaning solution. It's not like it can damage electronics providing they aren't on and you leave no residue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can dunk the entire motherboard in an hydrocarbon based solvent and scrub .
Wash it off afterwards and make sure you let it completely dry.About 5 min of work , and 2 hours of waiting and your computer is so good to go.I do n't understand why so many people are afraid to use a cleaning solution .
It 's not like it can damage electronics providing they are n't on and you leave no residue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can dunk the entire motherboard in an hydrocarbon based solvent and scrub.
Wash it off afterwards and make sure you let it completely dry.About 5 min of work, and 2 hours of waiting and your computer is so good to go.I don't understand why so many people are afraid to use a cleaning solution.
It's not like it can damage electronics providing they aren't on and you leave no residue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186644</id>
	<title>Cigarette tar damages computers</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1258833600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I think the reaction is over-the-top (and giving Apple techs that degree of personal control dangerous), nicotine tar does have a destructive impact on computer components, and it is very hard to non-destructively remove.  Somewhere around here I suspect I still have photos I took 25 years ago of an IBM-PC-XT-class system that had been used by a chain-smoker: the interior was heavily coated with nicotine tar, damaging a number of components and making it virtually impossible to remove to prevent further future damage, especially when there was no expectation that the exposure would stop.  The entire interior had a sticky yellow tinge.  I wound up showing the interior to the customer and factually pointed out that the same compound was also coating his lungs, and he seemed rather persuaded by that visual demonstration.</p><p>There was a lesson here for these two puffers to learn, but they chose to ignore the lesson and transfer the blame for the consequences of their poor choices to others.  They should be giving the mirror a smackdown, not Steve Jobs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I think the reaction is over-the-top ( and giving Apple techs that degree of personal control dangerous ) , nicotine tar does have a destructive impact on computer components , and it is very hard to non-destructively remove .
Somewhere around here I suspect I still have photos I took 25 years ago of an IBM-PC-XT-class system that had been used by a chain-smoker : the interior was heavily coated with nicotine tar , damaging a number of components and making it virtually impossible to remove to prevent further future damage , especially when there was no expectation that the exposure would stop .
The entire interior had a sticky yellow tinge .
I wound up showing the interior to the customer and factually pointed out that the same compound was also coating his lungs , and he seemed rather persuaded by that visual demonstration.There was a lesson here for these two puffers to learn , but they chose to ignore the lesson and transfer the blame for the consequences of their poor choices to others .
They should be giving the mirror a smackdown , not Steve Jobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I think the reaction is over-the-top (and giving Apple techs that degree of personal control dangerous), nicotine tar does have a destructive impact on computer components, and it is very hard to non-destructively remove.
Somewhere around here I suspect I still have photos I took 25 years ago of an IBM-PC-XT-class system that had been used by a chain-smoker: the interior was heavily coated with nicotine tar, damaging a number of components and making it virtually impossible to remove to prevent further future damage, especially when there was no expectation that the exposure would stop.
The entire interior had a sticky yellow tinge.
I wound up showing the interior to the customer and factually pointed out that the same compound was also coating his lungs, and he seemed rather persuaded by that visual demonstration.There was a lesson here for these two puffers to learn, but they chose to ignore the lesson and transfer the blame for the consequences of their poor choices to others.
They should be giving the mirror a smackdown, not Steve Jobs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187644</id>
	<title>Re:What about cat owners?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1258796880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about smoking (hot) pussies with computers? ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about smoking ( hot ) pussies with computers ?
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about smoking (hot) pussies with computers?
^^</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187224</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258794240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a plain lie and bullshit.</p><p>Unfortunately I'm a heavy smoker and I always fix my own computers. When I have to replace a hard drive, memory or something, there's always lots of dust inside the computer like on every other computer on earth. I remove it with a vaccum cleaner and everything is pristine again.</p><p>No matter how much you smoke when you use the computer, It has no effect (on the hardware) at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a plain lie and bullshit.Unfortunately I 'm a heavy smoker and I always fix my own computers .
When I have to replace a hard drive , memory or something , there 's always lots of dust inside the computer like on every other computer on earth .
I remove it with a vaccum cleaner and everything is pristine again.No matter how much you smoke when you use the computer , It has no effect ( on the hardware ) at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a plain lie and bullshit.Unfortunately I'm a heavy smoker and I always fix my own computers.
When I have to replace a hard drive, memory or something, there's always lots of dust inside the computer like on every other computer on earth.
I remove it with a vaccum cleaner and everything is pristine again.No matter how much you smoke when you use the computer, It has no effect (on the hardware) at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30192094</id>
	<title>Re:What about cat owners?</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1258886640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That may clog up the fans, but it isn't poisonous to whoever has to clean it up. That's the difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That may clog up the fans , but it is n't poisonous to whoever has to clean it up .
That 's the difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That may clog up the fans, but it isn't poisonous to whoever has to clean it up.
That's the difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184418</id>
	<title>Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can this actually be legal? Smoking is ( currently at least ) legal, so how can they penalize a smoker?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can this actually be legal ?
Smoking is ( currently at least ) legal , so how can they penalize a smoker ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can this actually be legal?
Smoking is ( currently at least ) legal, so how can they penalize a smoker?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186366</id>
	<title>Re:What about cat owners?</title>
	<author>gemada</author>
	<datestamp>1258832100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>easy fix. Don't let your cat smoke in the house.</htmltext>
<tokenext>easy fix .
Do n't let your cat smoke in the house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>easy fix.
Don't let your cat smoke in the house.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186480</id>
	<title>Not discriminatory against smokers</title>
	<author>Brad Mace</author>
	<datestamp>1258832760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't say whether this new policy is in line with their warranty, but I don't see how anyone would make a case that it's discriminatory even where smokers are a protected class.  They are targeting the smoke itself, not the smokers.  If you're a smoker but you don't do it around your computer, or it just happens to be reasonably clean, you're going to be fine.  If you don't smoke, but you like to store your computer in your chimney flue, they're still going to refuse to work on it.</p><p>
On the other hand, smoke residue is hardly the most dangerous or disgusting thing anyone has had to deal with on the job, and using OSHA as an excuse seems pretty weak.  If they just acknowledged that they're going to treat excessive smoke exposure the same way they would excessive heat or humidity, that would seem entirely reasonable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't say whether this new policy is in line with their warranty , but I do n't see how anyone would make a case that it 's discriminatory even where smokers are a protected class .
They are targeting the smoke itself , not the smokers .
If you 're a smoker but you do n't do it around your computer , or it just happens to be reasonably clean , you 're going to be fine .
If you do n't smoke , but you like to store your computer in your chimney flue , they 're still going to refuse to work on it .
On the other hand , smoke residue is hardly the most dangerous or disgusting thing anyone has had to deal with on the job , and using OSHA as an excuse seems pretty weak .
If they just acknowledged that they 're going to treat excessive smoke exposure the same way they would excessive heat or humidity , that would seem entirely reasonable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't say whether this new policy is in line with their warranty, but I don't see how anyone would make a case that it's discriminatory even where smokers are a protected class.
They are targeting the smoke itself, not the smokers.
If you're a smoker but you don't do it around your computer, or it just happens to be reasonably clean, you're going to be fine.
If you don't smoke, but you like to store your computer in your chimney flue, they're still going to refuse to work on it.
On the other hand, smoke residue is hardly the most dangerous or disgusting thing anyone has had to deal with on the job, and using OSHA as an excuse seems pretty weak.
If they just acknowledged that they're going to treat excessive smoke exposure the same way they would excessive heat or humidity, that would seem entirely reasonable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184510</id>
	<title>The iPhone "success" has emboldened them...</title>
	<author>bogaboga</author>
	<datestamp>1258821060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The massive success of the iPhone has emboldened Apple. Otherwise how can you explain that behavior? Heck, there are thousands of apps for the iPhone so Apple think they are invincible.</p><p>Good we have some kind of competitor (read Droid) though Motorolla are curtailing the Droid's success by marketing only to the USA. And Google are not helping matters by creating avenues for incompatibilities around Android.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The massive success of the iPhone has emboldened Apple .
Otherwise how can you explain that behavior ?
Heck , there are thousands of apps for the iPhone so Apple think they are invincible.Good we have some kind of competitor ( read Droid ) though Motorolla are curtailing the Droid 's success by marketing only to the USA .
And Google are not helping matters by creating avenues for incompatibilities around Android .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The massive success of the iPhone has emboldened Apple.
Otherwise how can you explain that behavior?
Heck, there are thousands of apps for the iPhone so Apple think they are invincible.Good we have some kind of competitor (read Droid) though Motorolla are curtailing the Droid's success by marketing only to the USA.
And Google are not helping matters by creating avenues for incompatibilities around Android.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186284</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1258831560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I could use a computer in an environment where it gets no ventilation, and that would void the warranty</i></p><p>They can if it is included in the warranty, but smoking is not mentioned in Apple's warranties, at least the warrant on my Mac.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I could use a computer in an environment where it gets no ventilation , and that would void the warrantyThey can if it is included in the warranty , but smoking is not mentioned in Apple 's warranties , at least the warrant on my Mac .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could use a computer in an environment where it gets no ventilation, and that would void the warrantyThey can if it is included in the warranty, but smoking is not mentioned in Apple's warranties, at least the warrant on my Mac.
Falcon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30192106</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1258886820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>See, this is yet another example of where the logic of singling out one stupid little thing while ignoring 10 million others somehow makes sense.</p></div><p>It does.</p><p>You can not handle 10 million things. Your brain simply doesn't have the computing capacity to do so. And neither does our lawmaking process, company business process design processes (yeah, I know...) or practically everything else in our world.</p><p>But we can handle 1 thing. And if you ever want to take care of the 10 million, you need to start with one of them. Most of the disagreement in the world is simply about which one.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>See , this is yet another example of where the logic of singling out one stupid little thing while ignoring 10 million others somehow makes sense.It does.You can not handle 10 million things .
Your brain simply does n't have the computing capacity to do so .
And neither does our lawmaking process , company business process design processes ( yeah , I know... ) or practically everything else in our world.But we can handle 1 thing .
And if you ever want to take care of the 10 million , you need to start with one of them .
Most of the disagreement in the world is simply about which one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See, this is yet another example of where the logic of singling out one stupid little thing while ignoring 10 million others somehow makes sense.It does.You can not handle 10 million things.
Your brain simply doesn't have the computing capacity to do so.
And neither does our lawmaking process, company business process design processes (yeah, I know...) or practically everything else in our world.But we can handle 1 thing.
And if you ever want to take care of the 10 million, you need to start with one of them.
Most of the disagreement in the world is simply about which one.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187090</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258836480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wow.        mods are buying loads of crap today.     i've been working on computers for 2473 years.     i once worked on a BC300.   Let me tell you!  There were bits of stegosaurus bones stuck in the flint valves it took many moons to chissel them clean.</p><p>on a serious note, what parent poster could only have been describing was a chain smoker sitting next to the computer smoking, for several years, living next to Owens Lake.</p><p>C'mon, we've all worked on filthy computers owned by chain smokers.   You take a couple of cans of compressed air, and you get all the heatsinks clean, and you replace the fans (as they usually are toast).  Then 90\% of the time, the system works just fine.   Just couldn't breath....sheesh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wow .
mods are buying loads of crap today .
i 've been working on computers for 2473 years .
i once worked on a BC300 .
Let me tell you !
There were bits of stegosaurus bones stuck in the flint valves it took many moons to chissel them clean.on a serious note , what parent poster could only have been describing was a chain smoker sitting next to the computer smoking , for several years , living next to Owens Lake.C'mon , we 've all worked on filthy computers owned by chain smokers .
You take a couple of cans of compressed air , and you get all the heatsinks clean , and you replace the fans ( as they usually are toast ) .
Then 90 \ % of the time , the system works just fine .
Just could n't breath....sheesh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wow.
mods are buying loads of crap today.
i've been working on computers for 2473 years.
i once worked on a BC300.
Let me tell you!
There were bits of stegosaurus bones stuck in the flint valves it took many moons to chissel them clean.on a serious note, what parent poster could only have been describing was a chain smoker sitting next to the computer smoking, for several years, living next to Owens Lake.C'mon, we've all worked on filthy computers owned by chain smokers.
You take a couple of cans of compressed air, and you get all the heatsinks clean, and you replace the fans (as they usually are toast).
Then 90\% of the time, the system works just fine.
Just couldn't breath....sheesh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184890</id>
	<title>Re:Have you ever looked inside a smoker's computer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258823220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's not from smoking, it's from dust and dander in the air.  His father probably has pets.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not from smoking , it 's from dust and dander in the air .
His father probably has pets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not from smoking, it's from dust and dander in the air.
His father probably has pets.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186466</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258832760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Immersion into a 100\% nitrogen environment has been shown to cause premature failure in humans yet most sensitive electronic equipment doesn't give a damn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Immersion into a 100 \ % nitrogen environment has been shown to cause premature failure in humans yet most sensitive electronic equipment does n't give a damn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Immersion into a 100\% nitrogen environment has been shown to cause premature failure in humans yet most sensitive electronic equipment doesn't give a damn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188700</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258804020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"second-hand smoke which contains a Noah's Ark of nasty bacteria"<br>Please explain how smoke carries bacteria, or for that matter a 171 yard long boat?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" second-hand smoke which contains a Noah 's Ark of nasty bacteria " Please explain how smoke carries bacteria , or for that matter a 171 yard long boat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"second-hand smoke which contains a Noah's Ark of nasty bacteria"Please explain how smoke carries bacteria, or for that matter a 171 yard long boat?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190550</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>war4peace</author>
	<datestamp>1258819140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Disclaimer: I am a smoker, so my option might be biased.<br>
Back in the days, tobacco products manufacturers (the industry, that is) didn't mention that smoking is bad to your health. So they have been sued and lost. Now they have to warn you of that.<br>
Now Apple is rejecting warranty because you are a smoker. They didn't mention that in their warranty, therefore a lawsuit would likely have them lose it as well.<br>
The fact that deposits form inside a computer because of smoking is irrelevant. It may happen or it may not. I just checked my over 3 years laptop which I work on and smoke near, and guess what. It doesn't smell and it has no residue deposits inside of it (it's out of warranty anyway, so I removed the plastic cover and looked inside). It had some dust and that's it.<br>
I've seen computers that were used in a cement factory; you wouldn't believe what was in them. But that's, according to warranty clauses, not the customer's fault; it's unfiltered airflow.<br>
Smack some filters on the device, make them accessible and educate users to do a little cleaning every 3 months and everything would be fine.<br>
Now related to actually working to repair a machine; if you don't use (or are not provided) gloves, then it's not customer's fault; it's your bloody employer's fault. I've seen cases that could potentially generate nasty cuts if you weren't careful (some of my scars stand as proof). There are small parts that can blow up in your face if you mishandle them (capacitors, old CRT Monitors). And so on. In the end, it's not a matter of "you're a smoker, so your warranty goes poof". It is a case of "you abused your machine by using it in environments which caused it to malfunction" - and not "because you smoke" but because the "harsh" environment caused this and that to stick to moving components (e.g. coolers) and cause the machine to cease functioning. Now that's a whole other thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Disclaimer : I am a smoker , so my option might be biased .
Back in the days , tobacco products manufacturers ( the industry , that is ) did n't mention that smoking is bad to your health .
So they have been sued and lost .
Now they have to warn you of that .
Now Apple is rejecting warranty because you are a smoker .
They did n't mention that in their warranty , therefore a lawsuit would likely have them lose it as well .
The fact that deposits form inside a computer because of smoking is irrelevant .
It may happen or it may not .
I just checked my over 3 years laptop which I work on and smoke near , and guess what .
It does n't smell and it has no residue deposits inside of it ( it 's out of warranty anyway , so I removed the plastic cover and looked inside ) .
It had some dust and that 's it .
I 've seen computers that were used in a cement factory ; you would n't believe what was in them .
But that 's , according to warranty clauses , not the customer 's fault ; it 's unfiltered airflow .
Smack some filters on the device , make them accessible and educate users to do a little cleaning every 3 months and everything would be fine .
Now related to actually working to repair a machine ; if you do n't use ( or are not provided ) gloves , then it 's not customer 's fault ; it 's your bloody employer 's fault .
I 've seen cases that could potentially generate nasty cuts if you were n't careful ( some of my scars stand as proof ) .
There are small parts that can blow up in your face if you mishandle them ( capacitors , old CRT Monitors ) .
And so on .
In the end , it 's not a matter of " you 're a smoker , so your warranty goes poof " .
It is a case of " you abused your machine by using it in environments which caused it to malfunction " - and not " because you smoke " but because the " harsh " environment caused this and that to stick to moving components ( e.g .
coolers ) and cause the machine to cease functioning .
Now that 's a whole other thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disclaimer: I am a smoker, so my option might be biased.
Back in the days, tobacco products manufacturers (the industry, that is) didn't mention that smoking is bad to your health.
So they have been sued and lost.
Now they have to warn you of that.
Now Apple is rejecting warranty because you are a smoker.
They didn't mention that in their warranty, therefore a lawsuit would likely have them lose it as well.
The fact that deposits form inside a computer because of smoking is irrelevant.
It may happen or it may not.
I just checked my over 3 years laptop which I work on and smoke near, and guess what.
It doesn't smell and it has no residue deposits inside of it (it's out of warranty anyway, so I removed the plastic cover and looked inside).
It had some dust and that's it.
I've seen computers that were used in a cement factory; you wouldn't believe what was in them.
But that's, according to warranty clauses, not the customer's fault; it's unfiltered airflow.
Smack some filters on the device, make them accessible and educate users to do a little cleaning every 3 months and everything would be fine.
Now related to actually working to repair a machine; if you don't use (or are not provided) gloves, then it's not customer's fault; it's your bloody employer's fault.
I've seen cases that could potentially generate nasty cuts if you weren't careful (some of my scars stand as proof).
There are small parts that can blow up in your face if you mishandle them (capacitors, old CRT Monitors).
And so on.
In the end, it's not a matter of "you're a smoker, so your warranty goes poof".
It is a case of "you abused your machine by using it in environments which caused it to malfunction" - and not "because you smoke" but because the "harsh" environment caused this and that to stick to moving components (e.g.
coolers) and cause the machine to cease functioning.
Now that's a whole other thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184978</id>
	<title>experiences with 3 packk/day computers</title>
	<author>v1</author>
	<datestamp>1258823760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I fix computers for a living, and I will vouch for the pain that is working on a "three pack a day" computer.  It's not <i>terribly</i> bad as long as they keep a clean house, but when there's a lot of dust in the machine, <b>AND</b> they're a very heavy smoker, the entire inside of the computer is filled with a matte of dustbunny solidified by tar.  It's a dark mustard looking soft foam and reeks to high heaven, and when you touch it, it wipes off on your hands like ash AND sends a fine dark yellow cloud up into the air.  Takes 5 minutes of hand scrubbing to get most of it off after you're done working on it.</p><p>I don't think I'd call it a "biohazard", as there's not a lot of chance of my inhaling any nicotine, but it's certainly unpleasant to work on.  It also tints the entire machine a dingy yellow, especially the white plastics and the front of LCD panels.  It also kills optical drives. (clouds the laser lens)  Occasionally we get in a machine that <i>looks</i> ok, but <b>reeks</b> of tar when you pick it up.  When we open it up, it's obviously a heavy smoker's computer, that they took the time to clean the outside case before bringing it in.  "surprise!"</p><p>Most computers have active air cooling, and function like air filters.  If you're filling the air with nasty, you should expect a lot of it to collect inside your computer, and nobody likes dealing with that.</p><p>Twice we've had to refuse warranty repair for a killed optical drive, and once a smoker wanted us to replace (under warranty) an LCD panel that had "become discolored".  No, really?  Like the WALLS and CURTAINS in your house?  ick ick ick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I fix computers for a living , and I will vouch for the pain that is working on a " three pack a day " computer .
It 's not terribly bad as long as they keep a clean house , but when there 's a lot of dust in the machine , AND they 're a very heavy smoker , the entire inside of the computer is filled with a matte of dustbunny solidified by tar .
It 's a dark mustard looking soft foam and reeks to high heaven , and when you touch it , it wipes off on your hands like ash AND sends a fine dark yellow cloud up into the air .
Takes 5 minutes of hand scrubbing to get most of it off after you 're done working on it.I do n't think I 'd call it a " biohazard " , as there 's not a lot of chance of my inhaling any nicotine , but it 's certainly unpleasant to work on .
It also tints the entire machine a dingy yellow , especially the white plastics and the front of LCD panels .
It also kills optical drives .
( clouds the laser lens ) Occasionally we get in a machine that looks ok , but reeks of tar when you pick it up .
When we open it up , it 's obviously a heavy smoker 's computer , that they took the time to clean the outside case before bringing it in .
" surprise ! " Most computers have active air cooling , and function like air filters .
If you 're filling the air with nasty , you should expect a lot of it to collect inside your computer , and nobody likes dealing with that.Twice we 've had to refuse warranty repair for a killed optical drive , and once a smoker wanted us to replace ( under warranty ) an LCD panel that had " become discolored " .
No , really ?
Like the WALLS and CURTAINS in your house ?
ick ick ick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fix computers for a living, and I will vouch for the pain that is working on a "three pack a day" computer.
It's not terribly bad as long as they keep a clean house, but when there's a lot of dust in the machine, AND they're a very heavy smoker, the entire inside of the computer is filled with a matte of dustbunny solidified by tar.
It's a dark mustard looking soft foam and reeks to high heaven, and when you touch it, it wipes off on your hands like ash AND sends a fine dark yellow cloud up into the air.
Takes 5 minutes of hand scrubbing to get most of it off after you're done working on it.I don't think I'd call it a "biohazard", as there's not a lot of chance of my inhaling any nicotine, but it's certainly unpleasant to work on.
It also tints the entire machine a dingy yellow, especially the white plastics and the front of LCD panels.
It also kills optical drives.
(clouds the laser lens)  Occasionally we get in a machine that looks ok, but reeks of tar when you pick it up.
When we open it up, it's obviously a heavy smoker's computer, that they took the time to clean the outside case before bringing it in.
"surprise!"Most computers have active air cooling, and function like air filters.
If you're filling the air with nasty, you should expect a lot of it to collect inside your computer, and nobody likes dealing with that.Twice we've had to refuse warranty repair for a killed optical drive, and once a smoker wanted us to replace (under warranty) an LCD panel that had "become discolored".
No, really?
Like the WALLS and CURTAINS in your house?
ick ick ick.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190944</id>
	<title>Re:The iPhone "success" has emboldened them...</title>
	<author>ogdenk</author>
	<datestamp>1258824960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They could sell thousands more iphones if it weren't for the App Store.  Most people I know who decided not to get one was due to the App Store being the ONLY venue to get software and Apple dictating what you are allowed to run on your own device you bought and paid for.</p><p>I'm not getting an iPhone because it's tied to the App Store and I shouldn't have to hack my phone every few months just to install the apps THAT I WANT.  Apple is under the impression that I'm renting the device from them and I have to play by their rules to use it.  F**k them.  They try that with the Mac and I'll go back to using FreeBSD as my primary OS and build Hackintosh's for anyone I know that's curious about a Mac.  I will happily cross the line to hurt them at that point.  I don't need laws on my side to do so.  I don't owe Apple s**t.   I gave THEM money.  They don't get to impose rules on something I pay for or judge my habits whether they are  healthy or not.</p><p>Now as far as this warranty claim goes, if the smoke CLOGGED the fans to the point of not working I think that qualifies as abuse.  If they can prove the smoking killed the machine, I can see it.  If not, should they decide not to work on it, they need to replace it.  It's in the warranty paperwork.  Repair OR REPLACE.</p><p>I'm a smoker but I smoke outside a lot of the time and I clean my machines regularly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They could sell thousands more iphones if it were n't for the App Store .
Most people I know who decided not to get one was due to the App Store being the ONLY venue to get software and Apple dictating what you are allowed to run on your own device you bought and paid for.I 'm not getting an iPhone because it 's tied to the App Store and I should n't have to hack my phone every few months just to install the apps THAT I WANT .
Apple is under the impression that I 'm renting the device from them and I have to play by their rules to use it .
F * * k them .
They try that with the Mac and I 'll go back to using FreeBSD as my primary OS and build Hackintosh 's for anyone I know that 's curious about a Mac .
I will happily cross the line to hurt them at that point .
I do n't need laws on my side to do so .
I do n't owe Apple s * * t. I gave THEM money .
They do n't get to impose rules on something I pay for or judge my habits whether they are healthy or not.Now as far as this warranty claim goes , if the smoke CLOGGED the fans to the point of not working I think that qualifies as abuse .
If they can prove the smoking killed the machine , I can see it .
If not , should they decide not to work on it , they need to replace it .
It 's in the warranty paperwork .
Repair OR REPLACE.I 'm a smoker but I smoke outside a lot of the time and I clean my machines regularly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could sell thousands more iphones if it weren't for the App Store.
Most people I know who decided not to get one was due to the App Store being the ONLY venue to get software and Apple dictating what you are allowed to run on your own device you bought and paid for.I'm not getting an iPhone because it's tied to the App Store and I shouldn't have to hack my phone every few months just to install the apps THAT I WANT.
Apple is under the impression that I'm renting the device from them and I have to play by their rules to use it.
F**k them.
They try that with the Mac and I'll go back to using FreeBSD as my primary OS and build Hackintosh's for anyone I know that's curious about a Mac.
I will happily cross the line to hurt them at that point.
I don't need laws on my side to do so.
I don't owe Apple s**t.   I gave THEM money.
They don't get to impose rules on something I pay for or judge my habits whether they are  healthy or not.Now as far as this warranty claim goes, if the smoke CLOGGED the fans to the point of not working I think that qualifies as abuse.
If they can prove the smoking killed the machine, I can see it.
If not, should they decide not to work on it, they need to replace it.
It's in the warranty paperwork.
Repair OR REPLACE.I'm a smoker but I smoke outside a lot of the time and I clean my machines regularly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185684</id>
	<title>Apple Voiding Smokers' Warranties?</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1258827600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay, Apple has gone too far refusing to service their equipment because a user is a smoker.  I hope Apple refuses to service someone with willingness and resources to sue.  I imagine that would be a black eye on Apple, and because there isn't anything in the warranty about the warranty being voided because of smoke I'd bet they'd lose.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , Apple has gone too far refusing to service their equipment because a user is a smoker .
I hope Apple refuses to service someone with willingness and resources to sue .
I imagine that would be a black eye on Apple , and because there is n't anything in the warranty about the warranty being voided because of smoke I 'd bet they 'd lose .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, Apple has gone too far refusing to service their equipment because a user is a smoker.
I hope Apple refuses to service someone with willingness and resources to sue.
I imagine that would be a black eye on Apple, and because there isn't anything in the warranty about the warranty being voided because of smoke I'd bet they'd lose.
Falcon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30201364</id>
	<title>I agree and dont agree</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1258988100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree being a tech myself, who has to work on a smokers computer can be disgusting to say the least. I feel like vomiting inside the case and leaving it there, to prove a point.</p><p>However, I do not agree with Apple's tactics, I would on Apple's part say they fall under a category where there must be a tech that smokes himself, and feels nothing wrong with working on a computer that has been in a smoke filled house.</p><p>This would be the less abrasive attitude, however Apple seem very snobby these days.<br>I would send them to a tech who smokes, and in the mean time, I would also make sure to change the warranty agreement, because this one they just might lose big on.<br>I hate smokers but they are humans like us (non smokers) and still deserve the guarantee they have when they bought the machine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree being a tech myself , who has to work on a smokers computer can be disgusting to say the least .
I feel like vomiting inside the case and leaving it there , to prove a point.However , I do not agree with Apple 's tactics , I would on Apple 's part say they fall under a category where there must be a tech that smokes himself , and feels nothing wrong with working on a computer that has been in a smoke filled house.This would be the less abrasive attitude , however Apple seem very snobby these days.I would send them to a tech who smokes , and in the mean time , I would also make sure to change the warranty agreement , because this one they just might lose big on.I hate smokers but they are humans like us ( non smokers ) and still deserve the guarantee they have when they bought the machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree being a tech myself, who has to work on a smokers computer can be disgusting to say the least.
I feel like vomiting inside the case and leaving it there, to prove a point.However, I do not agree with Apple's tactics, I would on Apple's part say they fall under a category where there must be a tech that smokes himself, and feels nothing wrong with working on a computer that has been in a smoke filled house.This would be the less abrasive attitude, however Apple seem very snobby these days.I would send them to a tech who smokes, and in the mean time, I would also make sure to change the warranty agreement, because this one they just might lose big on.I hate smokers but they are humans like us (non smokers) and still deserve the guarantee they have when they bought the machine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188398</id>
	<title>iMac? try a smoker's iPhone</title>
	<author>pbjones</author>
	<datestamp>1258801860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bough a dead iPhone and when I opened the box I was overcome by the smell of tobacco. The entire device was yellow, and when I tried to wash the boards in some mentholated spirits, it turned the spirits yellow too. I couldn't have it in the house, it stank so much. The tar ended up all over my finger tips as well. If I was a repairman, I'd ask to have it cleaned before returning it for service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bough a dead iPhone and when I opened the box I was overcome by the smell of tobacco .
The entire device was yellow , and when I tried to wash the boards in some mentholated spirits , it turned the spirits yellow too .
I could n't have it in the house , it stank so much .
The tar ended up all over my finger tips as well .
If I was a repairman , I 'd ask to have it cleaned before returning it for service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bough a dead iPhone and when I opened the box I was overcome by the smell of tobacco.
The entire device was yellow, and when I tried to wash the boards in some mentholated spirits, it turned the spirits yellow too.
I couldn't have it in the house, it stank so much.
The tar ended up all over my finger tips as well.
If I was a repairman, I'd ask to have it cleaned before returning it for service.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186184</id>
	<title>Re:It may sound weird, but Apple might be right</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1258830960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing is, it's not smoke, it's residue. A simple dust mask will keep it out of the tech's lungs, along with the plethora of dist (and dust mites) that any computer will contain. Regular spray cleaner will take care of it once it's been blown out w/ compressed air, just like any other machine. The entire justification of second hand smoke harm is supposedly that you breathe it all in in concentrated form.</p><p>Do they also intend to dishonor the warranty on a Mac that gets used in a restaurant (fry grease) or a bus terminal (diesel particulates) or a really dusty house (dust mites)?</p><p>Will they refuse to serve AIDS patients? People who just had the flu? People who use too much cologne? People whose house had a mold problem (that one CAN get you coughing up blood!)? Do they provide their techs with protection from those hazards? Or do they just attack smokers because the amount of pure unadulterated HATE is enough that they might get away with it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing is , it 's not smoke , it 's residue .
A simple dust mask will keep it out of the tech 's lungs , along with the plethora of dist ( and dust mites ) that any computer will contain .
Regular spray cleaner will take care of it once it 's been blown out w/ compressed air , just like any other machine .
The entire justification of second hand smoke harm is supposedly that you breathe it all in in concentrated form.Do they also intend to dishonor the warranty on a Mac that gets used in a restaurant ( fry grease ) or a bus terminal ( diesel particulates ) or a really dusty house ( dust mites ) ? Will they refuse to serve AIDS patients ?
People who just had the flu ?
People who use too much cologne ?
People whose house had a mold problem ( that one CAN get you coughing up blood ! ) ?
Do they provide their techs with protection from those hazards ?
Or do they just attack smokers because the amount of pure unadulterated HATE is enough that they might get away with it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing is, it's not smoke, it's residue.
A simple dust mask will keep it out of the tech's lungs, along with the plethora of dist (and dust mites) that any computer will contain.
Regular spray cleaner will take care of it once it's been blown out w/ compressed air, just like any other machine.
The entire justification of second hand smoke harm is supposedly that you breathe it all in in concentrated form.Do they also intend to dishonor the warranty on a Mac that gets used in a restaurant (fry grease) or a bus terminal (diesel particulates) or a really dusty house (dust mites)?Will they refuse to serve AIDS patients?
People who just had the flu?
People who use too much cologne?
People whose house had a mold problem (that one CAN get you coughing up blood!)?
Do they provide their techs with protection from those hazards?
Or do they just attack smokers because the amount of pure unadulterated HATE is enough that they might get away with it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30189286</id>
	<title>Re:yes and no</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1258808520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The "biohazard" stuff is crap. </i></p><p>I wonder how they'd like the tables turned.</p><p>When I got my MBP (late 2006) it had a horrible burning-electronics smell after a couple weeks.  If I hadn't already sold my iBook I would have returned it.</p><p>The odor was rather insidious, where it would lodge into my nose tissues such that I'd smell it for hours after leaving the computer, even outside.</p><p>I finally figured out that running SETI@Home for a few days would burn off all of whatever that crap was.  I'm fairly certain it was really bad for me.</p><p>In my house, that month, Apple was the only smoker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " biohazard " stuff is crap .
I wonder how they 'd like the tables turned.When I got my MBP ( late 2006 ) it had a horrible burning-electronics smell after a couple weeks .
If I had n't already sold my iBook I would have returned it.The odor was rather insidious , where it would lodge into my nose tissues such that I 'd smell it for hours after leaving the computer , even outside.I finally figured out that running SETI @ Home for a few days would burn off all of whatever that crap was .
I 'm fairly certain it was really bad for me.In my house , that month , Apple was the only smoker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "biohazard" stuff is crap.
I wonder how they'd like the tables turned.When I got my MBP (late 2006) it had a horrible burning-electronics smell after a couple weeks.
If I hadn't already sold my iBook I would have returned it.The odor was rather insidious, where it would lodge into my nose tissues such that I'd smell it for hours after leaving the computer, even outside.I finally figured out that running SETI@Home for a few days would burn off all of whatever that crap was.
I'm fairly certain it was really bad for me.In my house, that month, Apple was the only smoker.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30189178</id>
	<title>Fixing computers and a smoker myself....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258807380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I fix all sorts of computers. I smoke. I HATE getting a computer to work on that the person has been smoking at it. It is gross and disgusting and NASTY. I smoke outside and never by my computer. I spend good money for my house and for my computers and for my car - why in the world would I want to pollute my nest! Smoke outside people!! Keep your self and your living place clean!</p><p>I do not blame Apple for not working on your computer. CompUSA charges EXTRA in some stores to work on a smoke infested computer - they take it outside and clean it out so that they might be able to work on it. They (and myself) blow all of that NASTY crap out of the poor computer and personally, I clean everything that I can with alcohol to get the grunge off (except for the drives!) so that I don't have to smell them! PUKE! And yes, I charge extra for working on a NASTY computer wether it is smoke or pet hair and dust. A can of air is cheap! Clean out your computer once a year and keep it running forever....</p><p>CHEERS - I am going outside to smoke...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I fix all sorts of computers .
I smoke .
I HATE getting a computer to work on that the person has been smoking at it .
It is gross and disgusting and NASTY .
I smoke outside and never by my computer .
I spend good money for my house and for my computers and for my car - why in the world would I want to pollute my nest !
Smoke outside people ! !
Keep your self and your living place clean ! I do not blame Apple for not working on your computer .
CompUSA charges EXTRA in some stores to work on a smoke infested computer - they take it outside and clean it out so that they might be able to work on it .
They ( and myself ) blow all of that NASTY crap out of the poor computer and personally , I clean everything that I can with alcohol to get the grunge off ( except for the drives !
) so that I do n't have to smell them !
PUKE ! And yes , I charge extra for working on a NASTY computer wether it is smoke or pet hair and dust .
A can of air is cheap !
Clean out your computer once a year and keep it running forever....CHEERS - I am going outside to smoke.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fix all sorts of computers.
I smoke.
I HATE getting a computer to work on that the person has been smoking at it.
It is gross and disgusting and NASTY.
I smoke outside and never by my computer.
I spend good money for my house and for my computers and for my car - why in the world would I want to pollute my nest!
Smoke outside people!!
Keep your self and your living place clean!I do not blame Apple for not working on your computer.
CompUSA charges EXTRA in some stores to work on a smoke infested computer - they take it outside and clean it out so that they might be able to work on it.
They (and myself) blow all of that NASTY crap out of the poor computer and personally, I clean everything that I can with alcohol to get the grunge off (except for the drives!
) so that I don't have to smell them!
PUKE! And yes, I charge extra for working on a NASTY computer wether it is smoke or pet hair and dust.
A can of air is cheap!
Clean out your computer once a year and keep it running forever....CHEERS - I am going outside to smoke...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184456</id>
	<title>yes and no</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The "biohazard" stuff is crap.

<p>That said, I can always tell when a computer I'm working on has a smoker for an owner.  The smoke leaves a yellowish to brownish residue.  Dust sticks to it.  In the worst case I can recall seeing, cooling slots were blocked by congealed fuzzy crap.

</p><p>It's nasty, and I can see it contributing to component failure in bad cases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " biohazard " stuff is crap .
That said , I can always tell when a computer I 'm working on has a smoker for an owner .
The smoke leaves a yellowish to brownish residue .
Dust sticks to it .
In the worst case I can recall seeing , cooling slots were blocked by congealed fuzzy crap .
It 's nasty , and I can see it contributing to component failure in bad cases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "biohazard" stuff is crap.
That said, I can always tell when a computer I'm working on has a smoker for an owner.
The smoke leaves a yellowish to brownish residue.
Dust sticks to it.
In the worst case I can recall seeing, cooling slots were blocked by congealed fuzzy crap.
It's nasty, and I can see it contributing to component failure in bad cases.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185676</id>
	<title>Probably just poor choice of words</title>
	<author>daoine\_sidhe</author>
	<datestamp>1258827540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously.  I've denied warranty service on systems like this before.  Indoor smoker's systems build a horrible layer of greasy filth that can't be properly cleaned and kills fans like you wouldn't believe.  It's not the hardware's or the manufacturers fault that fans fail, systems overheat, and components fail as a result of this noxious filth.  The fault is in not explaining the situation properly.  In cases like these I've always taken photos, physically shown the customer why I'm denying warranty service, and explained carefully.  I see similar things in machines used in woodshops, machineshops, etc.

And for those who say 'it can't be any worse than cat hair' - it is.  If you've seen both, you know.  Yes, cat hair can clog fans.  It can also be easily taken care of with a cheap can of compressed air.  Cigarette filth, on the other hand, never really cleans up properly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
I 've denied warranty service on systems like this before .
Indoor smoker 's systems build a horrible layer of greasy filth that ca n't be properly cleaned and kills fans like you would n't believe .
It 's not the hardware 's or the manufacturers fault that fans fail , systems overheat , and components fail as a result of this noxious filth .
The fault is in not explaining the situation properly .
In cases like these I 've always taken photos , physically shown the customer why I 'm denying warranty service , and explained carefully .
I see similar things in machines used in woodshops , machineshops , etc .
And for those who say 'it ca n't be any worse than cat hair ' - it is .
If you 've seen both , you know .
Yes , cat hair can clog fans .
It can also be easily taken care of with a cheap can of compressed air .
Cigarette filth , on the other hand , never really cleans up properly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
I've denied warranty service on systems like this before.
Indoor smoker's systems build a horrible layer of greasy filth that can't be properly cleaned and kills fans like you wouldn't believe.
It's not the hardware's or the manufacturers fault that fans fail, systems overheat, and components fail as a result of this noxious filth.
The fault is in not explaining the situation properly.
In cases like these I've always taken photos, physically shown the customer why I'm denying warranty service, and explained carefully.
I see similar things in machines used in woodshops, machineshops, etc.
And for those who say 'it can't be any worse than cat hair' - it is.
If you've seen both, you know.
Yes, cat hair can clog fans.
It can also be easily taken care of with a cheap can of compressed air.
Cigarette filth, on the other hand, never really cleans up properly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184644</id>
	<title>Who the hell smokes indoors?</title>
	<author>harmonise</author>
	<datestamp>1258821840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who the hell smokes indoors? That's fucked up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who the hell smokes indoors ?
That 's fucked up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who the hell smokes indoors?
That's fucked up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186176</id>
	<title>Re:Smokers</title>
	<author>Molochi</author>
	<datestamp>1258830840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having done PC support in offices back when smoking in offices was common I can attest to the putridity of a machine that gets smoked around. I would equate it with working on a grimy car engine. It's even worse with pet owners that smoke. You take the machine outside and "hose down" the system with a spray circuit board cleaner and replace the PSU. It's messy work but you bill the customer for your time. If you think the customer may balk at the expense you talk to them, maybe show them what smoking around computers does. It wasn't that big a deal when most of the system's chips didn't need heatsinks. You could get away with cleaning just the CPU's HSF, and maybe replace the PSU if the customer was on a budget.</p><p>Of course I only worked on steel cased, pentium-era desktop machines.  Modern systems and notebooks in particular would be more involved as they really depend on staying clean and cool to avoid heat related instability.  I would expect a cleaning could include a surcharge for abusive and unusual treatment of the hardware. I mean, if someone brought me a machine that they had doused in maple syrup, I would probably refuse them service or just name a price that I figured was a little north of what I thought they would be willing to spend.</p><p>As for the health concerns, well I smoke anyways, but I do it outside. I'd still wear gloves, just like I almost always did.</p><p>But Apple has other concerns. I doubt a mall store tech could contain the mess with the resources they have available. They might not actually be allowed to use the cleaner I would use. Or it might attack plastic requiring full dissasembly of a notebook. I don't know, I'm out of the loop on that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having done PC support in offices back when smoking in offices was common I can attest to the putridity of a machine that gets smoked around .
I would equate it with working on a grimy car engine .
It 's even worse with pet owners that smoke .
You take the machine outside and " hose down " the system with a spray circuit board cleaner and replace the PSU .
It 's messy work but you bill the customer for your time .
If you think the customer may balk at the expense you talk to them , maybe show them what smoking around computers does .
It was n't that big a deal when most of the system 's chips did n't need heatsinks .
You could get away with cleaning just the CPU 's HSF , and maybe replace the PSU if the customer was on a budget.Of course I only worked on steel cased , pentium-era desktop machines .
Modern systems and notebooks in particular would be more involved as they really depend on staying clean and cool to avoid heat related instability .
I would expect a cleaning could include a surcharge for abusive and unusual treatment of the hardware .
I mean , if someone brought me a machine that they had doused in maple syrup , I would probably refuse them service or just name a price that I figured was a little north of what I thought they would be willing to spend.As for the health concerns , well I smoke anyways , but I do it outside .
I 'd still wear gloves , just like I almost always did.But Apple has other concerns .
I doubt a mall store tech could contain the mess with the resources they have available .
They might not actually be allowed to use the cleaner I would use .
Or it might attack plastic requiring full dissasembly of a notebook .
I do n't know , I 'm out of the loop on that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having done PC support in offices back when smoking in offices was common I can attest to the putridity of a machine that gets smoked around.
I would equate it with working on a grimy car engine.
It's even worse with pet owners that smoke.
You take the machine outside and "hose down" the system with a spray circuit board cleaner and replace the PSU.
It's messy work but you bill the customer for your time.
If you think the customer may balk at the expense you talk to them, maybe show them what smoking around computers does.
It wasn't that big a deal when most of the system's chips didn't need heatsinks.
You could get away with cleaning just the CPU's HSF, and maybe replace the PSU if the customer was on a budget.Of course I only worked on steel cased, pentium-era desktop machines.
Modern systems and notebooks in particular would be more involved as they really depend on staying clean and cool to avoid heat related instability.
I would expect a cleaning could include a surcharge for abusive and unusual treatment of the hardware.
I mean, if someone brought me a machine that they had doused in maple syrup, I would probably refuse them service or just name a price that I figured was a little north of what I thought they would be willing to spend.As for the health concerns, well I smoke anyways, but I do it outside.
I'd still wear gloves, just like I almost always did.But Apple has other concerns.
I doubt a mall store tech could contain the mess with the resources they have available.
They might not actually be allowed to use the cleaner I would use.
Or it might attack plastic requiring full dissasembly of a notebook.
I don't know, I'm out of the loop on that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30189110</id>
	<title>Bio-Hazard My Ass</title>
	<author>denmarkw00t</author>
	<datestamp>1258806480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, I smoke in some bar/restaurants where it is still allowed here (not ready for next year's ban in NC...), and would the dishwashers not be allowed to wash the ash trays, or plates, or glasses or anything else my smoke touches? OSHA violations? I don't think so. Moreso to that point, if you opted for a career as a bartender I'm sure you knew beforehand that yes, people smoke at bars. Smoking and drinking go hand-in-hand, so when the ban takes effect they'll be safe from my smokey plates and I'll be at home, spending much less on drinking out.</p><p>On the Apple - I'm fortunate that I'll never be taking my iBook to them, as its far out of warranty and I've opened it numerous times to bring it back from the dead (currently, a piece of Red Stripe case keeps the GPU in place enough for it to run). I recently found new employment, and I was considering starting a savings fund for a new Mac, but I'm now torn between getting the extended warranty, which is soooo pricey, or not because they won't service a smokey Mac. Maybe I won't even buy one now, I like having protection and service options for my equipment, and I like smoking. I'm not gonna stop anytime soon, and that means I'm not gonna stop computing and smoking too. How would they know though aside from smell? If I have a wood-burning fireplace am I at risk? Are they going to get a piss-test from my Mac? Do their employees not ride in smokey cars ever? Do they sanitize subway seats - I'm sure smokers sit on the seats from time to time.</p><p>Once again, Apple disappoints by being terribly lame when they don't need to be. I love my Mac, but it may be the last one I ever own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , I smoke in some bar/restaurants where it is still allowed here ( not ready for next year 's ban in NC... ) , and would the dishwashers not be allowed to wash the ash trays , or plates , or glasses or anything else my smoke touches ?
OSHA violations ?
I do n't think so .
Moreso to that point , if you opted for a career as a bartender I 'm sure you knew beforehand that yes , people smoke at bars .
Smoking and drinking go hand-in-hand , so when the ban takes effect they 'll be safe from my smokey plates and I 'll be at home , spending much less on drinking out.On the Apple - I 'm fortunate that I 'll never be taking my iBook to them , as its far out of warranty and I 've opened it numerous times to bring it back from the dead ( currently , a piece of Red Stripe case keeps the GPU in place enough for it to run ) .
I recently found new employment , and I was considering starting a savings fund for a new Mac , but I 'm now torn between getting the extended warranty , which is soooo pricey , or not because they wo n't service a smokey Mac .
Maybe I wo n't even buy one now , I like having protection and service options for my equipment , and I like smoking .
I 'm not gon na stop anytime soon , and that means I 'm not gon na stop computing and smoking too .
How would they know though aside from smell ?
If I have a wood-burning fireplace am I at risk ?
Are they going to get a piss-test from my Mac ?
Do their employees not ride in smokey cars ever ?
Do they sanitize subway seats - I 'm sure smokers sit on the seats from time to time.Once again , Apple disappoints by being terribly lame when they do n't need to be .
I love my Mac , but it may be the last one I ever own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, I smoke in some bar/restaurants where it is still allowed here (not ready for next year's ban in NC...), and would the dishwashers not be allowed to wash the ash trays, or plates, or glasses or anything else my smoke touches?
OSHA violations?
I don't think so.
Moreso to that point, if you opted for a career as a bartender I'm sure you knew beforehand that yes, people smoke at bars.
Smoking and drinking go hand-in-hand, so when the ban takes effect they'll be safe from my smokey plates and I'll be at home, spending much less on drinking out.On the Apple - I'm fortunate that I'll never be taking my iBook to them, as its far out of warranty and I've opened it numerous times to bring it back from the dead (currently, a piece of Red Stripe case keeps the GPU in place enough for it to run).
I recently found new employment, and I was considering starting a savings fund for a new Mac, but I'm now torn between getting the extended warranty, which is soooo pricey, or not because they won't service a smokey Mac.
Maybe I won't even buy one now, I like having protection and service options for my equipment, and I like smoking.
I'm not gonna stop anytime soon, and that means I'm not gonna stop computing and smoking too.
How would they know though aside from smell?
If I have a wood-burning fireplace am I at risk?
Are they going to get a piss-test from my Mac?
Do their employees not ride in smokey cars ever?
Do they sanitize subway seats - I'm sure smokers sit on the seats from time to time.Once again, Apple disappoints by being terribly lame when they don't need to be.
I love my Mac, but it may be the last one I ever own.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184838</id>
	<title>Kudos to Apple if that's true</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258822920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Smoking is a biohazard, after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Smoking is a biohazard , after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Smoking is a biohazard, after all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185568</id>
	<title>Re:Ridiculous</title>
	<author>Bert64</author>
	<datestamp>1258826940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a separate insurance policy in addition to the manufacturers warranty.<br>On the other hand, i doubt anyone would vomit or urinate on a computer intentionally, that has to be an uncontrollable reaction which may or may not be their own fault (eg getting drunk)...<br>Smoking on the other hand is obviously deliberate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a separate insurance policy in addition to the manufacturers warranty.On the other hand , i doubt anyone would vomit or urinate on a computer intentionally , that has to be an uncontrollable reaction which may or may not be their own fault ( eg getting drunk ) ...Smoking on the other hand is obviously deliberate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a separate insurance policy in addition to the manufacturers warranty.On the other hand, i doubt anyone would vomit or urinate on a computer intentionally, that has to be an uncontrollable reaction which may or may not be their own fault (eg getting drunk)...Smoking on the other hand is obviously deliberate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186850</id>
	<title>lead? asbestos?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258834920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>would they have to honor the service contract if the laptop was exposed to abestos, lead dust, or &lt;insert favorite toxic agent here&gt;? most people i think would say no.</p><p>just because billions of people willingly subject themselves to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine" title="wikipedia.org">nicotine</a> [wikipedia.org] each day doesn't change the fact that it is a carcinogen. IMHO, and in the opinion of most western countries, the average person has a right to avoid being subjected to carcinogens.</p><p>yes, flame on with counterexamples, but in general that's the way things are moving.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>would they have to honor the service contract if the laptop was exposed to abestos , lead dust , or ?
most people i think would say no.just because billions of people willingly subject themselves to nicotine [ wikipedia.org ] each day does n't change the fact that it is a carcinogen .
IMHO , and in the opinion of most western countries , the average person has a right to avoid being subjected to carcinogens.yes , flame on with counterexamples , but in general that 's the way things are moving .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>would they have to honor the service contract if the laptop was exposed to abestos, lead dust, or ?
most people i think would say no.just because billions of people willingly subject themselves to nicotine [wikipedia.org] each day doesn't change the fact that it is a carcinogen.
IMHO, and in the opinion of most western countries, the average person has a right to avoid being subjected to carcinogens.yes, flame on with counterexamples, but in general that's the way things are moving.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187606</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to deny</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1258796640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>For the smokers out there: is it really that hard to take a break and go outside? I've always felt that was the best part... take a break, go out, have a smoke and consider what ever you're doing - then go back and get it done.</i></p><p>When I smoke I do go outside where I smoke.  Inside my apartment is dusty and has cobwebs in corners and hard to reach areas.  I had one technician tell me I should tape a coffee filter to the air intake vent on a computer case.  I was looking for a filter after opening a tower and finding dust everywhere in it.  I bought packs of cans of compressed air just to blow dust out, is Apple going to penalize me because it is dusty here?</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the smokers out there : is it really that hard to take a break and go outside ?
I 've always felt that was the best part... take a break , go out , have a smoke and consider what ever you 're doing - then go back and get it done.When I smoke I do go outside where I smoke .
Inside my apartment is dusty and has cobwebs in corners and hard to reach areas .
I had one technician tell me I should tape a coffee filter to the air intake vent on a computer case .
I was looking for a filter after opening a tower and finding dust everywhere in it .
I bought packs of cans of compressed air just to blow dust out , is Apple going to penalize me because it is dusty here ?
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the smokers out there: is it really that hard to take a break and go outside?
I've always felt that was the best part... take a break, go out, have a smoke and consider what ever you're doing - then go back and get it done.When I smoke I do go outside where I smoke.
Inside my apartment is dusty and has cobwebs in corners and hard to reach areas.
I had one technician tell me I should tape a coffee filter to the air intake vent on a computer case.
I was looking for a filter after opening a tower and finding dust everywhere in it.
I bought packs of cans of compressed air just to blow dust out, is Apple going to penalize me because it is dusty here?
Falcon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188932</id>
	<title>It is nasty...</title>
	<author>wzinc</author>
	<datestamp>1258805340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to work in an Apple repair shop during high school, and we hated working on smokers' comps. We toyed with the idea of denying service, but we needed the money. In this case, the second-hand smoke thing is kind of ridiculous to worry about, but it is truly nasty in the machine. Seeing the fans and parts with a tar coating all over them was sickening; I'm sure it shortened the life (of the comp and the user). If those were the indirect consequences, think of their lungs! I'd take the cases out back, hose them down, and use some kind of special cleaner on the MLBs, etc. Nasty!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to work in an Apple repair shop during high school , and we hated working on smokers ' comps .
We toyed with the idea of denying service , but we needed the money .
In this case , the second-hand smoke thing is kind of ridiculous to worry about , but it is truly nasty in the machine .
Seeing the fans and parts with a tar coating all over them was sickening ; I 'm sure it shortened the life ( of the comp and the user ) .
If those were the indirect consequences , think of their lungs !
I 'd take the cases out back , hose them down , and use some kind of special cleaner on the MLBs , etc .
Nasty ! !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to work in an Apple repair shop during high school, and we hated working on smokers' comps.
We toyed with the idea of denying service, but we needed the money.
In this case, the second-hand smoke thing is kind of ridiculous to worry about, but it is truly nasty in the machine.
Seeing the fans and parts with a tar coating all over them was sickening; I'm sure it shortened the life (of the comp and the user).
If those were the indirect consequences, think of their lungs!
I'd take the cases out back, hose them down, and use some kind of special cleaner on the MLBs, etc.
Nasty!!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184920</id>
	<title>Re:yes and no</title>
	<author>Slurm</author>
	<datestamp>1258823400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The "biohazard" stuff is crap.</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/03/health/research/03smoke.html" title="nytimes.com" rel="nofollow">third-hand smoke</a> [nytimes.com] is considered by at least some docs to be a direct cancer risk.</p><blockquote><div><p>Among the substances in third-hand smoke are hydrogen cyanide, used in chemical weapons; butane, which is used in lighter fluid; toluene, found in paint thinners; arsenic; lead; carbon monoxide; and even polonium-210, the highly radioactive carcinogen that was used to murder former Russian spy Alexander V. Litvinenko in 2006. Eleven of the compounds are highly carcinogenic.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The " biohazard " stuff is crap.Well , third-hand smoke [ nytimes.com ] is considered by at least some docs to be a direct cancer risk.Among the substances in third-hand smoke are hydrogen cyanide , used in chemical weapons ; butane , which is used in lighter fluid ; toluene , found in paint thinners ; arsenic ; lead ; carbon monoxide ; and even polonium-210 , the highly radioactive carcinogen that was used to murder former Russian spy Alexander V. Litvinenko in 2006 .
Eleven of the compounds are highly carcinogenic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "biohazard" stuff is crap.Well, third-hand smoke [nytimes.com] is considered by at least some docs to be a direct cancer risk.Among the substances in third-hand smoke are hydrogen cyanide, used in chemical weapons; butane, which is used in lighter fluid; toluene, found in paint thinners; arsenic; lead; carbon monoxide; and even polonium-210, the highly radioactive carcinogen that was used to murder former Russian spy Alexander V. Litvinenko in 2006.
Eleven of the compounds are highly carcinogenic.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30199818</id>
	<title>wtf....?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258919280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't just decide to not service something your company warranted because they smoke.  Just about every piece of electronics including appliances, stereos, TVs, cable boxes etc etc etc have fans in them and would have the exact same result.  I am not a smoker, but does that mean smokers should be automatically void from every warranty for everything in their house???  Come on people, you're going a little far here...</p><p>If these Apple nerd workers are so concerned about it affecting their health maybe they should look elsewhere first, like the greesy burger they had for lunch and the gallons of Mt Dew they down in a day.</p><p>I have worked on many gross PCs and laptops, and Ill take a smoker's system any day over someone who has a disgustingly dirty house and in return a disgusting computer...  Or how about when you find some roach or other bug carcasses inside?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't just decide to not service something your company warranted because they smoke .
Just about every piece of electronics including appliances , stereos , TVs , cable boxes etc etc etc have fans in them and would have the exact same result .
I am not a smoker , but does that mean smokers should be automatically void from every warranty for everything in their house ? ? ?
Come on people , you 're going a little far here...If these Apple nerd workers are so concerned about it affecting their health maybe they should look elsewhere first , like the greesy burger they had for lunch and the gallons of Mt Dew they down in a day.I have worked on many gross PCs and laptops , and Ill take a smoker 's system any day over someone who has a disgustingly dirty house and in return a disgusting computer... Or how about when you find some roach or other bug carcasses inside ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't just decide to not service something your company warranted because they smoke.
Just about every piece of electronics including appliances, stereos, TVs, cable boxes etc etc etc have fans in them and would have the exact same result.
I am not a smoker, but does that mean smokers should be automatically void from every warranty for everything in their house???
Come on people, you're going a little far here...If these Apple nerd workers are so concerned about it affecting their health maybe they should look elsewhere first, like the greesy burger they had for lunch and the gallons of Mt Dew they down in a day.I have worked on many gross PCs and laptops, and Ill take a smoker's system any day over someone who has a disgustingly dirty house and in return a disgusting computer...  Or how about when you find some roach or other bug carcasses inside?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184656</id>
	<title>Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258821900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to work as a computer technician to pay my tuition.</p><p>Computers that had either failed or seized up due to nicotine/tar build up were impossible to clean, and nearly impossible to repair. The nasty build-up got literally everywhere, clogging heatsinks, coating voltage regulators, caps, expansion slots, and other devices that depend on air convection to stay cool. The only way to get these machines running stably again was usually massive part replacement.</p><p>If smoking doesn't constitute improper operation, it should. For all the people bitching out there, smoking has been demonstrated to cause premature failure to humans, particularly second-hand smoke which contains a Noah's Ark of nasty bacteria and pathogens. WHy is it such a surprise that it also kills sensitive electronic equipment?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to work as a computer technician to pay my tuition.Computers that had either failed or seized up due to nicotine/tar build up were impossible to clean , and nearly impossible to repair .
The nasty build-up got literally everywhere , clogging heatsinks , coating voltage regulators , caps , expansion slots , and other devices that depend on air convection to stay cool .
The only way to get these machines running stably again was usually massive part replacement.If smoking does n't constitute improper operation , it should .
For all the people bitching out there , smoking has been demonstrated to cause premature failure to humans , particularly second-hand smoke which contains a Noah 's Ark of nasty bacteria and pathogens .
WHy is it such a surprise that it also kills sensitive electronic equipment ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to work as a computer technician to pay my tuition.Computers that had either failed or seized up due to nicotine/tar build up were impossible to clean, and nearly impossible to repair.
The nasty build-up got literally everywhere, clogging heatsinks, coating voltage regulators, caps, expansion slots, and other devices that depend on air convection to stay cool.
The only way to get these machines running stably again was usually massive part replacement.If smoking doesn't constitute improper operation, it should.
For all the people bitching out there, smoking has been demonstrated to cause premature failure to humans, particularly second-hand smoke which contains a Noah's Ark of nasty bacteria and pathogens.
WHy is it such a surprise that it also kills sensitive electronic equipment?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184430</id>
	<title>The sad part</title>
	<author>peragrin</author>
	<datestamp>1258820640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is a worker can sue their employer for forcing them to work on hazardous materials.  smoke in all of it's forms isn't good for your lungs.  Would you work on a computer that a tobacco chewer has been spitting in?  Where is the line drawn?  How do we know the imac in question wasn't used as an ash tray and that's why it failed?  I have watched careless smokers.  they dump ash and their butts everywhere.</p><p>While I find the absolute idea preposterous (just send it to me I don't care about smokers stupid personal choices), legally any company is put into a damned if you do and damned if you don't position.</p><p>All that said just fix the friggin computer.  maybe this will point out the flaws in the system.  though no one will ever fix them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is a worker can sue their employer for forcing them to work on hazardous materials .
smoke in all of it 's forms is n't good for your lungs .
Would you work on a computer that a tobacco chewer has been spitting in ?
Where is the line drawn ?
How do we know the imac in question was n't used as an ash tray and that 's why it failed ?
I have watched careless smokers .
they dump ash and their butts everywhere.While I find the absolute idea preposterous ( just send it to me I do n't care about smokers stupid personal choices ) , legally any company is put into a damned if you do and damned if you do n't position.All that said just fix the friggin computer .
maybe this will point out the flaws in the system .
though no one will ever fix them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is a worker can sue their employer for forcing them to work on hazardous materials.
smoke in all of it's forms isn't good for your lungs.
Would you work on a computer that a tobacco chewer has been spitting in?
Where is the line drawn?
How do we know the imac in question wasn't used as an ash tray and that's why it failed?
I have watched careless smokers.
they dump ash and their butts everywhere.While I find the absolute idea preposterous (just send it to me I don't care about smokers stupid personal choices), legally any company is put into a damned if you do and damned if you don't position.All that said just fix the friggin computer.
maybe this will point out the flaws in the system.
though no one will ever fix them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30192292</id>
	<title>Re:What about cat owners?</title>
	<author>arikol</author>
	<datestamp>1258890300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen both.</p><p>Smokers computers tend to have AMAZING amounts of dust sticking to the oily tar residue.</p><p>Failure prone and disgusting to work on.</p><p>Animal hair really messes electronics up as well, and a computer shop is probably not bound by the warranty if a failure occurs due to hair clogging the cooling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen both.Smokers computers tend to have AMAZING amounts of dust sticking to the oily tar residue.Failure prone and disgusting to work on.Animal hair really messes electronics up as well , and a computer shop is probably not bound by the warranty if a failure occurs due to hair clogging the cooling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen both.Smokers computers tend to have AMAZING amounts of dust sticking to the oily tar residue.Failure prone and disgusting to work on.Animal hair really messes electronics up as well, and a computer shop is probably not bound by the warranty if a failure occurs due to hair clogging the cooling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30200518</id>
	<title>Aren't many laptop components toxic in genral?</title>
	<author>prometx42</author>
	<datestamp>1258977300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ridiculous, I'd like to see an environmental toxic screening at the Chinese production facilities for Apple's computers. Aren't there likely to be many "toxic" substances inherent in these devices? Making a political statement through your company's warranty policy seems a little hypocritical and just...silly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ridiculous , I 'd like to see an environmental toxic screening at the Chinese production facilities for Apple 's computers .
Are n't there likely to be many " toxic " substances inherent in these devices ?
Making a political statement through your company 's warranty policy seems a little hypocritical and just...silly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ridiculous, I'd like to see an environmental toxic screening at the Chinese production facilities for Apple's computers.
Aren't there likely to be many "toxic" substances inherent in these devices?
Making a political statement through your company's warranty policy seems a little hypocritical and just...silly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185432</id>
	<title>Re:Have you ever looked inside a smoker's computer</title>
	<author>roguetrick</author>
	<datestamp>1258826160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No kidding, I've been chain smoking next to my computer for years and I don't get shit like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No kidding , I 've been chain smoking next to my computer for years and I do n't get shit like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No kidding, I've been chain smoking next to my computer for years and I don't get shit like that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186110</id>
	<title>Re:Ridiculous</title>
	<author>EgNagRah</author>
	<datestamp>1258830420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe APPLE is way too poor for the safety equipment? <a href="http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:AAPL&amp;fstype=ii" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:AAPL&amp;fstype=ii</a> [google.com] *puts on tinfoil hat* OR they realize that the safety equipment causes cancer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe APPLE is way too poor for the safety equipment ?
http : //www.google.com/finance ? q = NASDAQ : AAPL&amp;fstype = ii [ google.com ] * puts on tinfoil hat * OR they realize that the safety equipment causes cancer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe APPLE is way too poor for the safety equipment?
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:AAPL&amp;fstype=ii [google.com] *puts on tinfoil hat* OR they realize that the safety equipment causes cancer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184716</id>
	<title>psychosis</title>
	<author>JackSpratts</author>
	<datestamp>1258822140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>when your control neurosis becomes insanity</i>...</p><p>i used to be in radio back when everybody smoked. we kept the (smoking) engineers busy cleaning scratchy pots on a regular basis. it wasn't a big deal. since smoking isn't allowed in studios anymore the pots stay clean indefinitely. but i mean seriously, removing airborne pollutants that have settled on components is a routine practice.</p><p>for all that however computers themselves are biohazards. try throwing one out sometime. if apple was consistent they wouldn't anyone build them - let alone repair them.</p><p>this story is like something the onion would come up with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>when your control neurosis becomes insanity...i used to be in radio back when everybody smoked .
we kept the ( smoking ) engineers busy cleaning scratchy pots on a regular basis .
it was n't a big deal .
since smoking is n't allowed in studios anymore the pots stay clean indefinitely .
but i mean seriously , removing airborne pollutants that have settled on components is a routine practice.for all that however computers themselves are biohazards .
try throwing one out sometime .
if apple was consistent they would n't anyone build them - let alone repair them.this story is like something the onion would come up with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> when your control neurosis becomes insanity...i used to be in radio back when everybody smoked.
we kept the (smoking) engineers busy cleaning scratchy pots on a regular basis.
it wasn't a big deal.
since smoking isn't allowed in studios anymore the pots stay clean indefinitely.
but i mean seriously, removing airborne pollutants that have settled on components is a routine practice.for all that however computers themselves are biohazards.
try throwing one out sometime.
if apple was consistent they wouldn't anyone build them - let alone repair them.this story is like something the onion would come up with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184422</id>
	<title>Ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have an obligation to the customer under the terms of the warranty. They also have an obligation to their employees. They need to honor both, not pick and choose. If they really believe that opening the computer represents a health threat then they need to issue protective clothing and breathing apparatus to their employees. Simple as that. OSHA does not prohibit working with dangerous materials (manufacturing and maintaining computers DOES involve doing so), it just requires proper safety procedures be observed when doing so. The possibility of working with computers that have been exposed to cigarette smoke was not unknown or plausibly considered to be remote at the time when these warranties were issued.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have an obligation to the customer under the terms of the warranty .
They also have an obligation to their employees .
They need to honor both , not pick and choose .
If they really believe that opening the computer represents a health threat then they need to issue protective clothing and breathing apparatus to their employees .
Simple as that .
OSHA does not prohibit working with dangerous materials ( manufacturing and maintaining computers DOES involve doing so ) , it just requires proper safety procedures be observed when doing so .
The possibility of working with computers that have been exposed to cigarette smoke was not unknown or plausibly considered to be remote at the time when these warranties were issued .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have an obligation to the customer under the terms of the warranty.
They also have an obligation to their employees.
They need to honor both, not pick and choose.
If they really believe that opening the computer represents a health threat then they need to issue protective clothing and breathing apparatus to their employees.
Simple as that.
OSHA does not prohibit working with dangerous materials (manufacturing and maintaining computers DOES involve doing so), it just requires proper safety procedures be observed when doing so.
The possibility of working with computers that have been exposed to cigarette smoke was not unknown or plausibly considered to be remote at the time when these warranties were issued.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30192116</id>
	<title>Re:yes and no</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1258887180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The "biohazard" stuff is crap.</p> </div><p>Really?</p><p>Why, I wonder, is it that ever since the big tobacco company lawsuit brought down their house of lies, all the studies published about passive smoking and secondary effects are all in the "it's even worse than we thought" and never in the "it's not as bad as recent studies have indicated" category?</p><p>There is, to the best of my knowledge, no unregulated chemical substance in the world that is more poisonous than tobacco smoke. Everything that's worse (and a lot of stuff that's not as bad) fall under some laws, restrictions or other regulations. Especially in the workplace.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The " biohazard " stuff is crap .
Really ? Why , I wonder , is it that ever since the big tobacco company lawsuit brought down their house of lies , all the studies published about passive smoking and secondary effects are all in the " it 's even worse than we thought " and never in the " it 's not as bad as recent studies have indicated " category ? There is , to the best of my knowledge , no unregulated chemical substance in the world that is more poisonous than tobacco smoke .
Everything that 's worse ( and a lot of stuff that 's not as bad ) fall under some laws , restrictions or other regulations .
Especially in the workplace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "biohazard" stuff is crap.
Really?Why, I wonder, is it that ever since the big tobacco company lawsuit brought down their house of lies, all the studies published about passive smoking and secondary effects are all in the "it's even worse than we thought" and never in the "it's not as bad as recent studies have indicated" category?There is, to the best of my knowledge, no unregulated chemical substance in the world that is more poisonous than tobacco smoke.
Everything that's worse (and a lot of stuff that's not as bad) fall under some laws, restrictions or other regulations.
Especially in the workplace.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185740</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1258827900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it is not fair for Apple, or any computer company to have to honor warranty claims for computers that were subjected to the abuse of a smoker, as the hardware was subjected to environmental conditions that was not in any of the designed intended use.</p></div><p>That is incorrect. Being "subject to the abuse of a smoker" is intended use. Flawed premises yield flawed conclusions.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it is not fair for Apple , or any computer company to have to honor warranty claims for computers that were subjected to the abuse of a smoker , as the hardware was subjected to environmental conditions that was not in any of the designed intended use.That is incorrect .
Being " subject to the abuse of a smoker " is intended use .
Flawed premises yield flawed conclusions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it is not fair for Apple, or any computer company to have to honor warranty claims for computers that were subjected to the abuse of a smoker, as the hardware was subjected to environmental conditions that was not in any of the designed intended use.That is incorrect.
Being "subject to the abuse of a smoker" is intended use.
Flawed premises yield flawed conclusions.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187218</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258794180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You kids are wimps. If you are this afraid of a few smoke stains, what are you going to do when you open a box and a bunch of cockroaches run out? Scream like a girl and climb on the chair?</p><p>Also, if the hardware can't take a little bit of smoke film, it's not tough enough. We need the guys that built the packet switch a co-worker once told me about, that had been running for a few years in a factory with somewhat acidic vapor in the air before the field tech arrived to swap a few cards for PM. The swap was difficult to manage, since the sides of the steel card cage had turned to piles of rust in the bottom of the rack- the cards were running in mid-air, hanging on the wiring.</p><p>Here's a clue if you want something build that well- don't buy from a company that spends a pile to look cool in the US and a pittance to have the actual product made in a Chinese factory.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You kids are wimps .
If you are this afraid of a few smoke stains , what are you going to do when you open a box and a bunch of cockroaches run out ?
Scream like a girl and climb on the chair ? Also , if the hardware ca n't take a little bit of smoke film , it 's not tough enough .
We need the guys that built the packet switch a co-worker once told me about , that had been running for a few years in a factory with somewhat acidic vapor in the air before the field tech arrived to swap a few cards for PM .
The swap was difficult to manage , since the sides of the steel card cage had turned to piles of rust in the bottom of the rack- the cards were running in mid-air , hanging on the wiring.Here 's a clue if you want something build that well- do n't buy from a company that spends a pile to look cool in the US and a pittance to have the actual product made in a Chinese factory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You kids are wimps.
If you are this afraid of a few smoke stains, what are you going to do when you open a box and a bunch of cockroaches run out?
Scream like a girl and climb on the chair?Also, if the hardware can't take a little bit of smoke film, it's not tough enough.
We need the guys that built the packet switch a co-worker once told me about, that had been running for a few years in a factory with somewhat acidic vapor in the air before the field tech arrived to swap a few cards for PM.
The swap was difficult to manage, since the sides of the steel card cage had turned to piles of rust in the bottom of the rack- the cards were running in mid-air, hanging on the wiring.Here's a clue if you want something build that well- don't buy from a company that spends a pile to look cool in the US and a pittance to have the actual product made in a Chinese factory.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187884</id>
	<title>Re:Wash it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258798380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're right, but this article is flamebait anyway. I know people who service Apple machines and they don't refuse the ones with tar on them. They complain about it, sure, but so would you. I'm happy for Consumerist that they managed to scrape together a few anecdotes, but until you hear something official, (which you never will) don't buy it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right , but this article is flamebait anyway .
I know people who service Apple machines and they do n't refuse the ones with tar on them .
They complain about it , sure , but so would you .
I 'm happy for Consumerist that they managed to scrape together a few anecdotes , but until you hear something official , ( which you never will ) do n't buy it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right, but this article is flamebait anyway.
I know people who service Apple machines and they don't refuse the ones with tar on them.
They complain about it, sure, but so would you.
I'm happy for Consumerist that they managed to scrape together a few anecdotes, but until you hear something official, (which you never will) don't buy it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30191384</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>olrik666</author>
	<datestamp>1258830600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Explain why smoking does not affect other electronic products in a home. I've known smokers all my life (heck, my mother is 83 and still smokes!), and nothing has stopped working because of smoke.</p><p>Olrik (non smoker)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Explain why smoking does not affect other electronic products in a home .
I 've known smokers all my life ( heck , my mother is 83 and still smokes !
) , and nothing has stopped working because of smoke.Olrik ( non smoker )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Explain why smoking does not affect other electronic products in a home.
I've known smokers all my life (heck, my mother is 83 and still smokes!
), and nothing has stopped working because of smoke.Olrik (non smoker)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185606</id>
	<title>Re:I don't blame them</title>
	<author>Khyber</author>
	<datestamp>1258827180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Then we have this other stuff called "paint" which can be put on top of pre-existing walls with a "brush" or "roller" to cover what cannot be "cleaned."</p><p>Yea, and the mold that grows behind it justs makes stuff worse.</p><p>Strip the paint, reapply. Anything else is lazy and hazardous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Then we have this other stuff called " paint " which can be put on top of pre-existing walls with a " brush " or " roller " to cover what can not be " cleaned .
" Yea , and the mold that grows behind it justs makes stuff worse.Strip the paint , reapply .
Anything else is lazy and hazardous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Then we have this other stuff called "paint" which can be put on top of pre-existing walls with a "brush" or "roller" to cover what cannot be "cleaned.
"Yea, and the mold that grows behind it justs makes stuff worse.Strip the paint, reapply.
Anything else is lazy and hazardous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184480</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>eln</author>
	<datestamp>1258820880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it was in the agreement, I don't see why it wouldn't be legal.  Since smokers are not a protected class, they can be discriminated against by private industry without any legal repercussions.
<br> <br>
Of course, if it's not in the agreement, you could argue breach of contract (or whatever the particular legal term would in this case) because they're trying to impose additional conditions on the warranty after it's already been purchased.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it was in the agreement , I do n't see why it would n't be legal .
Since smokers are not a protected class , they can be discriminated against by private industry without any legal repercussions .
Of course , if it 's not in the agreement , you could argue breach of contract ( or whatever the particular legal term would in this case ) because they 're trying to impose additional conditions on the warranty after it 's already been purchased .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it was in the agreement, I don't see why it wouldn't be legal.
Since smokers are not a protected class, they can be discriminated against by private industry without any legal repercussions.
Of course, if it's not in the agreement, you could argue breach of contract (or whatever the particular legal term would in this case) because they're trying to impose additional conditions on the warranty after it's already been purchased.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185584</id>
	<title>Um, common sense people?</title>
	<author>davidwr</author>
	<datestamp>1258827060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Either:</p><p>*normal levels of cigarette smoke do not void the warranty</p><p>OR</p><p>*Apple engaged in fraud by not making this clear before the time of sale.  This is especially true for extended warranty products.</p><p>Pick one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Either : * normal levels of cigarette smoke do not void the warrantyOR * Apple engaged in fraud by not making this clear before the time of sale .
This is especially true for extended warranty products.Pick one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Either:*normal levels of cigarette smoke do not void the warrantyOR*Apple engaged in fraud by not making this clear before the time of sale.
This is especially true for extended warranty products.Pick one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185366</id>
	<title>Re:I'm not surprised</title>
	<author>Vidar Leathershod</author>
	<datestamp>1258825800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This came about as a direct result of people falsely claiming against the warranty when there was known water exposure.  All modern cell phones and their batteries have this feature as well, and there are absolutely times when the sensors (really just a system by which a striped ink pattern bleeds to stain the material when wet enough) have been triggered by humid weather, or condensation.</p><p>As for you not "buying any more Apple products", likely you weren't a customer before this.  I have heard this same tired old statement again and again.  Yet Apple sells more and more every year, and maintains their reputation as the most customer friendly consumer electronics company.  That's not to say they are perfect, and there are plenty of things they do that annoy me.  Comparing them with the competition, though, they are the best to work with, and give the most discretion to their employees to override policy of any of the major firms.</p><p>Regarding cigarette smoke and OSHA, I would say they definitely took the wrong angle and are likely technically incorrect.  At the same time, while I approve of people being able to smoke if they want, smoking near computers shortens their life significantly, due to the gummy deposits that form on the components, heatsinks and fans, and vents.  I have cleaned off many computers in this condition, replaced fans if needed, etc.  I charge for the time.  I also stink like a couple of thousand stale old cigarettes until I shower.  When you have an employee working an 8 hour shift, it would be abusive to force them to clean a computer in this condition and suffer for the rest of the day.</p><p>The submitter to Consumerist is an ass who knows exactly how nasty his computer is, can see the gummy deposits, etc. which occurred due to very close proximity smoking at the computer's location.  His screen is probably nasty, too.  And it's not like this is new information.  Smoking near computers has long been known as a really bad idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This came about as a direct result of people falsely claiming against the warranty when there was known water exposure .
All modern cell phones and their batteries have this feature as well , and there are absolutely times when the sensors ( really just a system by which a striped ink pattern bleeds to stain the material when wet enough ) have been triggered by humid weather , or condensation.As for you not " buying any more Apple products " , likely you were n't a customer before this .
I have heard this same tired old statement again and again .
Yet Apple sells more and more every year , and maintains their reputation as the most customer friendly consumer electronics company .
That 's not to say they are perfect , and there are plenty of things they do that annoy me .
Comparing them with the competition , though , they are the best to work with , and give the most discretion to their employees to override policy of any of the major firms.Regarding cigarette smoke and OSHA , I would say they definitely took the wrong angle and are likely technically incorrect .
At the same time , while I approve of people being able to smoke if they want , smoking near computers shortens their life significantly , due to the gummy deposits that form on the components , heatsinks and fans , and vents .
I have cleaned off many computers in this condition , replaced fans if needed , etc .
I charge for the time .
I also stink like a couple of thousand stale old cigarettes until I shower .
When you have an employee working an 8 hour shift , it would be abusive to force them to clean a computer in this condition and suffer for the rest of the day.The submitter to Consumerist is an ass who knows exactly how nasty his computer is , can see the gummy deposits , etc .
which occurred due to very close proximity smoking at the computer 's location .
His screen is probably nasty , too .
And it 's not like this is new information .
Smoking near computers has long been known as a really bad idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This came about as a direct result of people falsely claiming against the warranty when there was known water exposure.
All modern cell phones and their batteries have this feature as well, and there are absolutely times when the sensors (really just a system by which a striped ink pattern bleeds to stain the material when wet enough) have been triggered by humid weather, or condensation.As for you not "buying any more Apple products", likely you weren't a customer before this.
I have heard this same tired old statement again and again.
Yet Apple sells more and more every year, and maintains their reputation as the most customer friendly consumer electronics company.
That's not to say they are perfect, and there are plenty of things they do that annoy me.
Comparing them with the competition, though, they are the best to work with, and give the most discretion to their employees to override policy of any of the major firms.Regarding cigarette smoke and OSHA, I would say they definitely took the wrong angle and are likely technically incorrect.
At the same time, while I approve of people being able to smoke if they want, smoking near computers shortens their life significantly, due to the gummy deposits that form on the components, heatsinks and fans, and vents.
I have cleaned off many computers in this condition, replaced fans if needed, etc.
I charge for the time.
I also stink like a couple of thousand stale old cigarettes until I shower.
When you have an employee working an 8 hour shift, it would be abusive to force them to clean a computer in this condition and suffer for the rest of the day.The submitter to Consumerist is an ass who knows exactly how nasty his computer is, can see the gummy deposits, etc.
which occurred due to very close proximity smoking at the computer's location.
His screen is probably nasty, too.
And it's not like this is new information.
Smoking near computers has long been known as a really bad idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188664</id>
	<title>Because we all know</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258803720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple users prefer LSD right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple users prefer LSD right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple users prefer LSD right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30195942</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258881660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you're the exception rather than the rule.</p><p>I used to live where the smoking figure was somewhere closer to 70\% among adults and kids over the age of 12.</p><p>A system that was obtained from a smoker, was a very dark yellow, and reeked of smoke. It was a 386 class with no operating fans (one of about 3 systems that went with a 20$ repair of replace the fan with wire cutters and heat shrink rather than replace the PSU) I felt violently ill working on that system and encouraged him to just replace it. The reason he wouldn't was because of a proprietary piece of inventory-sales software that ran in DOS.</p><p>Several systems were obtained from a sawmill which had the combined contamination of smoking, dust, sawdust, and haven't been moved in 5 years. The dust on the 386's was thick enough that you couldn't see the motherboard. The systems were amazingly still operating under all that.</p><p>Several Pentium/Pentium-II era machines serviced had the fan's breakdown (problem described as "loud rattling"), every time I serviced this problem, either the owner smoked or had pets, or had the system on a carpeted floor, under a desk. What caused these systems to fail was turning the system off, allowing the fan to stop and cool down. The next time they turned it on, rattles.</p><p>I stopped servicing computers for years, and when I went back to it, it was in a location where smoking was the exception, not the rule, and the techs there pretty much wouldn't service any hardware that was smoke damaged. No warranty, product service plan void, and refusal to bring it into the tech shop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you 're the exception rather than the rule.I used to live where the smoking figure was somewhere closer to 70 \ % among adults and kids over the age of 12.A system that was obtained from a smoker , was a very dark yellow , and reeked of smoke .
It was a 386 class with no operating fans ( one of about 3 systems that went with a 20 $ repair of replace the fan with wire cutters and heat shrink rather than replace the PSU ) I felt violently ill working on that system and encouraged him to just replace it .
The reason he would n't was because of a proprietary piece of inventory-sales software that ran in DOS.Several systems were obtained from a sawmill which had the combined contamination of smoking , dust , sawdust , and have n't been moved in 5 years .
The dust on the 386 's was thick enough that you could n't see the motherboard .
The systems were amazingly still operating under all that.Several Pentium/Pentium-II era machines serviced had the fan 's breakdown ( problem described as " loud rattling " ) , every time I serviced this problem , either the owner smoked or had pets , or had the system on a carpeted floor , under a desk .
What caused these systems to fail was turning the system off , allowing the fan to stop and cool down .
The next time they turned it on , rattles.I stopped servicing computers for years , and when I went back to it , it was in a location where smoking was the exception , not the rule , and the techs there pretty much would n't service any hardware that was smoke damaged .
No warranty , product service plan void , and refusal to bring it into the tech shop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you're the exception rather than the rule.I used to live where the smoking figure was somewhere closer to 70\% among adults and kids over the age of 12.A system that was obtained from a smoker, was a very dark yellow, and reeked of smoke.
It was a 386 class with no operating fans (one of about 3 systems that went with a 20$ repair of replace the fan with wire cutters and heat shrink rather than replace the PSU) I felt violently ill working on that system and encouraged him to just replace it.
The reason he wouldn't was because of a proprietary piece of inventory-sales software that ran in DOS.Several systems were obtained from a sawmill which had the combined contamination of smoking, dust, sawdust, and haven't been moved in 5 years.
The dust on the 386's was thick enough that you couldn't see the motherboard.
The systems were amazingly still operating under all that.Several Pentium/Pentium-II era machines serviced had the fan's breakdown (problem described as "loud rattling"), every time I serviced this problem, either the owner smoked or had pets, or had the system on a carpeted floor, under a desk.
What caused these systems to fail was turning the system off, allowing the fan to stop and cool down.
The next time they turned it on, rattles.I stopped servicing computers for years, and when I went back to it, it was in a location where smoking was the exception, not the rule, and the techs there pretty much wouldn't service any hardware that was smoke damaged.
No warranty, product service plan void, and refusal to bring it into the tech shop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184586</id>
	<title>Hard to deny</title>
	<author>foniksonik</author>
	<datestamp>1258821420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a smoker I find it hard to deny Apple's case here. Tobacco smoke is not a good thing for electronics. Neither would be lots of candle smoke, grease smoke, auto exhaust and many other environmental contaminates that could leave a residue on the hardware.</p><p>For the smokers out there: is it really that hard to take a break and go outside? I've always felt that was the best part... take a break, go out, have a smoke and consider what ever you're doing - then go back and get it done.</p><p>Of course these are not likely people using their computers for productive things... probably ex-AOLers chatting up people while drinking and smoking. In which case - ??? WTF just get a life already.</p><p>Oh and it's gross to smoke cigs in your house. Same as it would be gross to smoke a turkey inside or any number of things that leave residue everywhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a smoker I find it hard to deny Apple 's case here .
Tobacco smoke is not a good thing for electronics .
Neither would be lots of candle smoke , grease smoke , auto exhaust and many other environmental contaminates that could leave a residue on the hardware.For the smokers out there : is it really that hard to take a break and go outside ?
I 've always felt that was the best part... take a break , go out , have a smoke and consider what ever you 're doing - then go back and get it done.Of course these are not likely people using their computers for productive things... probably ex-AOLers chatting up people while drinking and smoking .
In which case - ? ? ?
WTF just get a life already.Oh and it 's gross to smoke cigs in your house .
Same as it would be gross to smoke a turkey inside or any number of things that leave residue everywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a smoker I find it hard to deny Apple's case here.
Tobacco smoke is not a good thing for electronics.
Neither would be lots of candle smoke, grease smoke, auto exhaust and many other environmental contaminates that could leave a residue on the hardware.For the smokers out there: is it really that hard to take a break and go outside?
I've always felt that was the best part... take a break, go out, have a smoke and consider what ever you're doing - then go back and get it done.Of course these are not likely people using their computers for productive things... probably ex-AOLers chatting up people while drinking and smoking.
In which case - ???
WTF just get a life already.Oh and it's gross to smoke cigs in your house.
Same as it would be gross to smoke a turkey inside or any number of things that leave residue everywhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184892</id>
	<title>What about cat owners?</title>
	<author>Kartoffel</author>
	<datestamp>1258823220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen more computers clogged with cat hair than I've seen clogged with cigarette ash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen more computers clogged with cat hair than I 've seen clogged with cigarette ash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen more computers clogged with cat hair than I've seen clogged with cigarette ash.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188752</id>
	<title>Re:yes and no</title>
	<author>ZeRu</author>
	<datestamp>1258804260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If we're going to start voiding warranties for computers that spent time in households that contributed to component failure, though, smokers aren't really the only place to look (or even necessarily the place to start). Pet-owning households are particularly bad, for example.</p></div><p>Of course, you can get far worse diseases from touching pet fur than you would from merely looking at ashtrays and yellow cigarette residue, but that would be discrimination against pet owners since they aren't the evil people bent of giving a lung cancer to everyone around them, as smokers are...I mean as anti-tobacco lobby wants you to believe smokers are.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If we 're going to start voiding warranties for computers that spent time in households that contributed to component failure , though , smokers are n't really the only place to look ( or even necessarily the place to start ) .
Pet-owning households are particularly bad , for example.Of course , you can get far worse diseases from touching pet fur than you would from merely looking at ashtrays and yellow cigarette residue , but that would be discrimination against pet owners since they are n't the evil people bent of giving a lung cancer to everyone around them , as smokers are...I mean as anti-tobacco lobby wants you to believe smokers are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we're going to start voiding warranties for computers that spent time in households that contributed to component failure, though, smokers aren't really the only place to look (or even necessarily the place to start).
Pet-owning households are particularly bad, for example.Of course, you can get far worse diseases from touching pet fur than you would from merely looking at ashtrays and yellow cigarette residue, but that would be discrimination against pet owners since they aren't the evil people bent of giving a lung cancer to everyone around them, as smokers are...I mean as anti-tobacco lobby wants you to believe smokers are.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184898</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185072</id>
	<title>Take a shower</title>
	<author>Dan East</author>
	<datestamp>1258824360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Taking showers is legal too, but that doesn't mean Apple has to fix it under warranty if you try to use your Mac while taking a shower.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Taking showers is legal too , but that does n't mean Apple has to fix it under warranty if you try to use your Mac while taking a shower .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taking showers is legal too, but that doesn't mean Apple has to fix it under warranty if you try to use your Mac while taking a shower.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30208130</id>
	<title>Sweet</title>
	<author>R0SS1</author>
	<datestamp>1258979760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go Apple!  This is good!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go Apple !
This is good !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go Apple!
This is good!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30193626</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1258907400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Only if there's ashtrays in the dishwasher.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only if there 's ashtrays in the dishwasher .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only if there's ashtrays in the dishwasher.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184686</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258822020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What amazes me is that smokers believe that their right to smoke trumps everybody else's right to breath fresh, clean air.</p><p>I am, clearly, a non-smoker and I personally take offense to cigarette smoke.  If a computer came into my possession that reeked of cigarette smoke, I'd refuse to work on it, too. Give it to a smoker to fix...in a separate building.</p><p>Let's get serious here. Whose upset that these computers, besides their owners, are not being fixed? Cigarette smokers. If smokers want to fix computers that were in smoker's houses, let the smokers fix them. I mean, God Damn, people! Listen to yourselves! Smokers are actually offended that non-smokers do not want to fix their smelly, second-hand hazardous smoke-filled PCs. What a misdirected sense of entitlement smokers have.</p><p>There isn't a compelling reason for non-smokers to place their health at risk because of a group of people who will not heed medical advice to stop smoking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What amazes me is that smokers believe that their right to smoke trumps everybody else 's right to breath fresh , clean air.I am , clearly , a non-smoker and I personally take offense to cigarette smoke .
If a computer came into my possession that reeked of cigarette smoke , I 'd refuse to work on it , too .
Give it to a smoker to fix...in a separate building.Let 's get serious here .
Whose upset that these computers , besides their owners , are not being fixed ?
Cigarette smokers .
If smokers want to fix computers that were in smoker 's houses , let the smokers fix them .
I mean , God Damn , people !
Listen to yourselves !
Smokers are actually offended that non-smokers do not want to fix their smelly , second-hand hazardous smoke-filled PCs .
What a misdirected sense of entitlement smokers have.There is n't a compelling reason for non-smokers to place their health at risk because of a group of people who will not heed medical advice to stop smoking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What amazes me is that smokers believe that their right to smoke trumps everybody else's right to breath fresh, clean air.I am, clearly, a non-smoker and I personally take offense to cigarette smoke.
If a computer came into my possession that reeked of cigarette smoke, I'd refuse to work on it, too.
Give it to a smoker to fix...in a separate building.Let's get serious here.
Whose upset that these computers, besides their owners, are not being fixed?
Cigarette smokers.
If smokers want to fix computers that were in smoker's houses, let the smokers fix them.
I mean, God Damn, people!
Listen to yourselves!
Smokers are actually offended that non-smokers do not want to fix their smelly, second-hand hazardous smoke-filled PCs.
What a misdirected sense of entitlement smokers have.There isn't a compelling reason for non-smokers to place their health at risk because of a group of people who will not heed medical advice to stop smoking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185882</id>
	<title>Tag this thread</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258828920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>classaction.  Enjoy the bad PR, Apple.</htmltext>
<tokenext>classaction .
Enjoy the bad PR , Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>classaction.
Enjoy the bad PR, Apple.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186658</id>
	<title>Former Genius Bar Technician</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258833660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a former Genius Bar technician, I can say first-hand how disgusting it is to open up a white computer that's yellowed and stinks of cigarette smoke. They're terribly gross to touch and work on.</p><p>While I can't offer any evidence of it actually being a health hazard, it's certainly not a pleasant experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a former Genius Bar technician , I can say first-hand how disgusting it is to open up a white computer that 's yellowed and stinks of cigarette smoke .
They 're terribly gross to touch and work on.While I ca n't offer any evidence of it actually being a health hazard , it 's certainly not a pleasant experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a former Genius Bar technician, I can say first-hand how disgusting it is to open up a white computer that's yellowed and stinks of cigarette smoke.
They're terribly gross to touch and work on.While I can't offer any evidence of it actually being a health hazard, it's certainly not a pleasant experience.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186254</id>
	<title>If they'd put it in the warranty...</title>
	<author>CountBrass</author>
	<datestamp>1258831380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and told buyers about the limitation on the warranty before they bought the device then sure.<br><br>But it is obvious some buyers of Apple products will be smokers so if they're prepared to take their money then they should ensure they can honour the warranty that's part of the sale.<br><br>It's Apple's problem to solve any health and safety issues.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and told buyers about the limitation on the warranty before they bought the device then sure.But it is obvious some buyers of Apple products will be smokers so if they 're prepared to take their money then they should ensure they can honour the warranty that 's part of the sale.It 's Apple 's problem to solve any health and safety issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and told buyers about the limitation on the warranty before they bought the device then sure.But it is obvious some buyers of Apple products will be smokers so if they're prepared to take their money then they should ensure they can honour the warranty that's part of the sale.It's Apple's problem to solve any health and safety issues.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184586</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185110</id>
	<title>Re:As a nonsmoking apple fan</title>
	<author>Anonymous Psychopath</author>
	<datestamp>1258824540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm insulted, and appalled. What is next, refusing service if you have ( legal ) things they don't approve of on your drive ( like porn? )</p></div><p>That's not "next", that's "now". Try getting support on an iPhone where you've installed software that hasn't been specifically approved for you to use by Apple.</p><p>The walled garden sure is beautiful, but there are guards everywhere.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm insulted , and appalled .
What is next , refusing service if you have ( legal ) things they do n't approve of on your drive ( like porn ?
) That 's not " next " , that 's " now " .
Try getting support on an iPhone where you 've installed software that has n't been specifically approved for you to use by Apple.The walled garden sure is beautiful , but there are guards everywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm insulted, and appalled.
What is next, refusing service if you have ( legal ) things they don't approve of on your drive ( like porn?
)That's not "next", that's "now".
Try getting support on an iPhone where you've installed software that hasn't been specifically approved for you to use by Apple.The walled garden sure is beautiful, but there are guards everywhere.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30196074</id>
	<title>Relevant hardware</title>
	<author>bjs555</author>
	<datestamp>1258882500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Give in to the urge. You're fscked anyway, more or less.<br><a href="http://www.frozencpu.com/cig-01.html" title="frozencpu.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.frozencpu.com/cig-01.html</a> [frozencpu.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Give in to the urge .
You 're fscked anyway , more or less.http : //www.frozencpu.com/cig-01.html [ frozencpu.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give in to the urge.
You're fscked anyway, more or less.http://www.frozencpu.com/cig-01.html [frozencpu.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30208190</id>
	<title>Re:Smokers</title>
	<author>HTH NE1</author>
	<datestamp>1258980120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back in the '80s, my high school had to send in computers repeatedly to their service unit. They'd send Apple IIe computers in, they'd be fixed, and arrive back at the school damaged again.</p><p>They figured it out one day when the truck arrived at the school, the driver opened the back, and billows of smoke rolled out the back of the truck. This in the winter months when the smoking driver kept the cab windows closed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in the '80s , my high school had to send in computers repeatedly to their service unit .
They 'd send Apple IIe computers in , they 'd be fixed , and arrive back at the school damaged again.They figured it out one day when the truck arrived at the school , the driver opened the back , and billows of smoke rolled out the back of the truck .
This in the winter months when the smoking driver kept the cab windows closed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in the '80s, my high school had to send in computers repeatedly to their service unit.
They'd send Apple IIe computers in, they'd be fixed, and arrive back at the school damaged again.They figured it out one day when the truck arrived at the school, the driver opened the back, and billows of smoke rolled out the back of the truck.
This in the winter months when the smoking driver kept the cab windows closed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186176</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186342</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1258831920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Biohazard is a bullshit exuse.  Period.  End of story.  Put a mask on if you are so retarded as to think that you are somehow going to inhale enough to case an issue.  You get more damage from the paint on the walls that leeches chemicals into the air of the repair room everyday than opening a computer up.  The tar that collects the dust and ash HOLDS ON TO IT, thats why it collects, otherwise it would just pass through like all the other dust particles in the air.</p><p>Failure due to excessive tar and ash is fair in my mind, biohazard is not.  Prove the tar and ash caused the failure, but don't pull some bullshit biohazard crap out of your ass.</p><p>Many people use computers in environments where dust is rampant.  I see no reason to believe that a smoker should be considered an unsafe environment by default.  Excessive, sure, but you also better reject everyone with excessive pet hair, dust in general and all the other crap that almost every household has in it.</p><p>As for smoking in a car, the miracle of modern technology is that we have chemicals now that can make the smoking in a car a non-issue.  Its just an excuse to pay you less for a trade in.  You trade in a car thats been smoked in, they treat it, put it on the lot and no one will notice.  You'll notice an untreated car from a shitty dealer or a bad treatment, but good dealers have no problem getting rid of the smell.  If you know how to do it, you can treat the car yourself and the dealer won't notice unless he/she is particularly attentive and notices the smell of the treatment, which smells nothing like anything you'd associate with a smoker.  Hell, Fabreeze spread in the airconditioner/heater intakes while its running for a hour or two is enough to fool most dealers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Biohazard is a bullshit exuse .
Period. End of story .
Put a mask on if you are so retarded as to think that you are somehow going to inhale enough to case an issue .
You get more damage from the paint on the walls that leeches chemicals into the air of the repair room everyday than opening a computer up .
The tar that collects the dust and ash HOLDS ON TO IT , thats why it collects , otherwise it would just pass through like all the other dust particles in the air.Failure due to excessive tar and ash is fair in my mind , biohazard is not .
Prove the tar and ash caused the failure , but do n't pull some bullshit biohazard crap out of your ass.Many people use computers in environments where dust is rampant .
I see no reason to believe that a smoker should be considered an unsafe environment by default .
Excessive , sure , but you also better reject everyone with excessive pet hair , dust in general and all the other crap that almost every household has in it.As for smoking in a car , the miracle of modern technology is that we have chemicals now that can make the smoking in a car a non-issue .
Its just an excuse to pay you less for a trade in .
You trade in a car thats been smoked in , they treat it , put it on the lot and no one will notice .
You 'll notice an untreated car from a shitty dealer or a bad treatment , but good dealers have no problem getting rid of the smell .
If you know how to do it , you can treat the car yourself and the dealer wo n't notice unless he/she is particularly attentive and notices the smell of the treatment , which smells nothing like anything you 'd associate with a smoker .
Hell , Fabreeze spread in the airconditioner/heater intakes while its running for a hour or two is enough to fool most dealers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Biohazard is a bullshit exuse.
Period.  End of story.
Put a mask on if you are so retarded as to think that you are somehow going to inhale enough to case an issue.
You get more damage from the paint on the walls that leeches chemicals into the air of the repair room everyday than opening a computer up.
The tar that collects the dust and ash HOLDS ON TO IT, thats why it collects, otherwise it would just pass through like all the other dust particles in the air.Failure due to excessive tar and ash is fair in my mind, biohazard is not.
Prove the tar and ash caused the failure, but don't pull some bullshit biohazard crap out of your ass.Many people use computers in environments where dust is rampant.
I see no reason to believe that a smoker should be considered an unsafe environment by default.
Excessive, sure, but you also better reject everyone with excessive pet hair, dust in general and all the other crap that almost every household has in it.As for smoking in a car, the miracle of modern technology is that we have chemicals now that can make the smoking in a car a non-issue.
Its just an excuse to pay you less for a trade in.
You trade in a car thats been smoked in, they treat it, put it on the lot and no one will notice.
You'll notice an untreated car from a shitty dealer or a bad treatment, but good dealers have no problem getting rid of the smell.
If you know how to do it, you can treat the car yourself and the dealer won't notice unless he/she is particularly attentive and notices the smell of the treatment, which smells nothing like anything you'd associate with a smoker.
Hell, Fabreeze spread in the airconditioner/heater intakes while its running for a hour or two is enough to fool most dealers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30189744</id>
	<title>Re:Not discriminatory against smokers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258812240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This will not go over well.</p><p>How will the moody writer in black sit at his Mac, smoking, and rant about the unfairness of life if Apple won't fix his shit?!</p><p>Oh wait... that's just more material.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This will not go over well.How will the moody writer in black sit at his Mac , smoking , and rant about the unfairness of life if Apple wo n't fix his shit ?
! Oh wait... that 's just more material .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will not go over well.How will the moody writer in black sit at his Mac, smoking, and rant about the unfairness of life if Apple won't fix his shit?
!Oh wait... that's just more material.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186480</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185016</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>coastwalker</author>
	<datestamp>1258824000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh come on, hating cigarette smokers isn't a technical analysis of the problem. One assumes that you also strongly believe that the West should be paying the third world 25\% of GDP on account of the CO2 we have emitted in the last couple of hundred years. This story is typical nonsense as a result of political re-education of the masses in order to achieve a goal. (reasonable though the long term goal of eliminating smoking might be) Cigarette smoke is fairly toxic over the long term, so are the combustion products of any organic material. If you live in a city then you are being poisoned by vehicle fumes. I wonder what else gets deposited on the inside of PC's, Legionnaires disease and other bio-hazards come to mind. This overreaction looks like a good opportunity to find out exactly what hazard the contents of air cooled PC's are to repair staff. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't end up with air cooled equipment being banned in the end when some real research is done into the subject.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh come on , hating cigarette smokers is n't a technical analysis of the problem .
One assumes that you also strongly believe that the West should be paying the third world 25 \ % of GDP on account of the CO2 we have emitted in the last couple of hundred years .
This story is typical nonsense as a result of political re-education of the masses in order to achieve a goal .
( reasonable though the long term goal of eliminating smoking might be ) Cigarette smoke is fairly toxic over the long term , so are the combustion products of any organic material .
If you live in a city then you are being poisoned by vehicle fumes .
I wonder what else gets deposited on the inside of PC 's , Legionnaires disease and other bio-hazards come to mind .
This overreaction looks like a good opportunity to find out exactly what hazard the contents of air cooled PC 's are to repair staff .
I would n't be surprised if it does n't end up with air cooled equipment being banned in the end when some real research is done into the subject .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh come on, hating cigarette smokers isn't a technical analysis of the problem.
One assumes that you also strongly believe that the West should be paying the third world 25\% of GDP on account of the CO2 we have emitted in the last couple of hundred years.
This story is typical nonsense as a result of political re-education of the masses in order to achieve a goal.
(reasonable though the long term goal of eliminating smoking might be) Cigarette smoke is fairly toxic over the long term, so are the combustion products of any organic material.
If you live in a city then you are being poisoned by vehicle fumes.
I wonder what else gets deposited on the inside of PC's, Legionnaires disease and other bio-hazards come to mind.
This overreaction looks like a good opportunity to find out exactly what hazard the contents of air cooled PC's are to repair staff.
I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't end up with air cooled equipment being banned in the end when some real research is done into the subject.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184686</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185708</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258827720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LOL FAG!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL FAG !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL FAG!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187140</id>
	<title>Smoke Powered!</title>
	<author>dandenoth</author>
	<datestamp>1258836840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought all electronics were smoke powered? You know, that's how you can tell it's broken, is when you let the smoke get out. At least for me anyways, I know that once I see the smoke come out of my electronics, they're toast.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought all electronics were smoke powered ?
You know , that 's how you can tell it 's broken , is when you let the smoke get out .
At least for me anyways , I know that once I see the smoke come out of my electronics , they 're toast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought all electronics were smoke powered?
You know, that's how you can tell it's broken, is when you let the smoke get out.
At least for me anyways, I know that once I see the smoke come out of my electronics, they're toast.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30201954</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to deny</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258991400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Holy crap, what gives you the right to tell other people how they should live their life? Water sports and scat is a legal pleasure that some people choose to indulge in in their own home. Apple's products should be designed to cope with functioning in a normal home environment, and when they don't that's what the warranty is for. Just because it doesn't happen to affect you or I doesn't make it ok.</p><p>Apple didn't claim that their products couldn't run in urine and faeces covered environments, they claimed it couldn't be repaired because of some health and safety rule, which sounds unlikely to be true given there are simple ways of protecting yourself like gloves and a mask...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Holy crap , what gives you the right to tell other people how they should live their life ?
Water sports and scat is a legal pleasure that some people choose to indulge in in their own home .
Apple 's products should be designed to cope with functioning in a normal home environment , and when they do n't that 's what the warranty is for .
Just because it does n't happen to affect you or I does n't make it ok.Apple did n't claim that their products could n't run in urine and faeces covered environments , they claimed it could n't be repaired because of some health and safety rule , which sounds unlikely to be true given there are simple ways of protecting yourself like gloves and a mask.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holy crap, what gives you the right to tell other people how they should live their life?
Water sports and scat is a legal pleasure that some people choose to indulge in in their own home.
Apple's products should be designed to cope with functioning in a normal home environment, and when they don't that's what the warranty is for.
Just because it doesn't happen to affect you or I doesn't make it ok.Apple didn't claim that their products couldn't run in urine and faeces covered environments, they claimed it couldn't be repaired because of some health and safety rule, which sounds unlikely to be true given there are simple ways of protecting yourself like gloves and a mask...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30253102</id>
	<title>No, it makes sense</title>
	<author>crackerjack314</author>
	<datestamp>1259440860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you ever worked on one of said machines?  I have coworkers that get sick from just touching the nicotine-covered parts.  It's disgusting to handle tar-covered components, and the smell is overwhelming sometimes.  Plus, the warranty is voided by the damage caused by smoke in some cases.  It is as good for things like fans and optical drives as it is for your lungs.  Sometimes the machines are so gummy that it's basically a loss unless each piece is throughly scrubbed clean with solvent.  I'm not exaggerating.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever worked on one of said machines ?
I have coworkers that get sick from just touching the nicotine-covered parts .
It 's disgusting to handle tar-covered components , and the smell is overwhelming sometimes .
Plus , the warranty is voided by the damage caused by smoke in some cases .
It is as good for things like fans and optical drives as it is for your lungs .
Sometimes the machines are so gummy that it 's basically a loss unless each piece is throughly scrubbed clean with solvent .
I 'm not exaggerating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever worked on one of said machines?
I have coworkers that get sick from just touching the nicotine-covered parts.
It's disgusting to handle tar-covered components, and the smell is overwhelming sometimes.
Plus, the warranty is voided by the damage caused by smoke in some cases.
It is as good for things like fans and optical drives as it is for your lungs.
Sometimes the machines are so gummy that it's basically a loss unless each piece is throughly scrubbed clean with solvent.
I'm not exaggerating.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190912</id>
	<title>Society gives me the right</title>
	<author>rsilvergun</author>
	<datestamp>1258824240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's kinda the point of society. We get together and agree on common ground. So far, the common ground (that isn't making billions peddling smokes) is pretty dead set against the things. Personally I can't wait for smoking to be stamped out. It infuriates me that there are people w/o enough food to eat in this country while my tax dollars are going to tobacco subsidies. Because your 'legal pleasure' sure needs free money from the feds...</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's kinda the point of society .
We get together and agree on common ground .
So far , the common ground ( that is n't making billions peddling smokes ) is pretty dead set against the things .
Personally I ca n't wait for smoking to be stamped out .
It infuriates me that there are people w/o enough food to eat in this country while my tax dollars are going to tobacco subsidies .
Because your 'legal pleasure ' sure needs free money from the feds.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's kinda the point of society.
We get together and agree on common ground.
So far, the common ground (that isn't making billions peddling smokes) is pretty dead set against the things.
Personally I can't wait for smoking to be stamped out.
It infuriates me that there are people w/o enough food to eat in this country while my tax dollars are going to tobacco subsidies.
Because your 'legal pleasure' sure needs free money from the feds...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30195176</id>
	<title>Liberal Agenda</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258918740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow this is scary. All you people and your legalities make me laugh. Apple is the computer epitome of the liberal agenda. If it was up to Obama, all government workers would be forced to use MACs. Apple is a communist company. Iv never appreciated any of there business practices. This is exactly the type of Liberal direction our country is headed. Wake up you fraging Comeees, there is no such thing as a perfect world. You will never be able to create one with out making slaves out of us. And I have in my possession what it takes to prevent you from enslaving me. There is a war coming in this country. Guaranteed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow this is scary .
All you people and your legalities make me laugh .
Apple is the computer epitome of the liberal agenda .
If it was up to Obama , all government workers would be forced to use MACs .
Apple is a communist company .
Iv never appreciated any of there business practices .
This is exactly the type of Liberal direction our country is headed .
Wake up you fraging Comeees , there is no such thing as a perfect world .
You will never be able to create one with out making slaves out of us .
And I have in my possession what it takes to prevent you from enslaving me .
There is a war coming in this country .
Guaranteed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow this is scary.
All you people and your legalities make me laugh.
Apple is the computer epitome of the liberal agenda.
If it was up to Obama, all government workers would be forced to use MACs.
Apple is a communist company.
Iv never appreciated any of there business practices.
This is exactly the type of Liberal direction our country is headed.
Wake up you fraging Comeees, there is no such thing as a perfect world.
You will never be able to create one with out making slaves out of us.
And I have in my possession what it takes to prevent you from enslaving me.
There is a war coming in this country.
Guaranteed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187612</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1258796700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or in other words: Nature does not give you a guarantee on your body if you smoke, for that very reason. ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or in other words : Nature does not give you a guarantee on your body if you smoke , for that very reason .
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or in other words: Nature does not give you a guarantee on your body if you smoke, for that very reason.
^^</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184906</id>
	<title>Re:is semen a biohazard?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258823340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Depends if you routinely cum on it, or shove it up some bitches pussy, or up your arse. If so, Steve Jobs would probably accept it and then chew and suck on it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends if you routinely cum on it , or shove it up some bitches pussy , or up your arse .
If so , Steve Jobs would probably accept it and then chew and suck on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends if you routinely cum on it, or shove it up some bitches pussy, or up your arse.
If so, Steve Jobs would probably accept it and then chew and suck on it.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185766</id>
	<title>Following your logic</title>
	<author>Gazzonyx</author>
	<datestamp>1258828080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I assume that you also apply this logic to household with pets.  If cigarette smoke residue (more accurately, nicotine which sticks to copper) is enough to put your Mac out of warranty, then pet hair clogging the fans should, too.  While we're at it, just having a dusty house applies by the same logic.<br> <br>  BTW, I've had several computers that I smoked right next to and I never had any problems with overheating... because I clean my computers and I know the difference between a hard drive and an ashtray.  A little maintenance and common sense goes a long way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I assume that you also apply this logic to household with pets .
If cigarette smoke residue ( more accurately , nicotine which sticks to copper ) is enough to put your Mac out of warranty , then pet hair clogging the fans should , too .
While we 're at it , just having a dusty house applies by the same logic .
BTW , I 've had several computers that I smoked right next to and I never had any problems with overheating... because I clean my computers and I know the difference between a hard drive and an ashtray .
A little maintenance and common sense goes a long way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I assume that you also apply this logic to household with pets.
If cigarette smoke residue (more accurately, nicotine which sticks to copper) is enough to put your Mac out of warranty, then pet hair clogging the fans should, too.
While we're at it, just having a dusty house applies by the same logic.
BTW, I've had several computers that I smoked right next to and I never had any problems with overheating... because I clean my computers and I know the difference between a hard drive and an ashtray.
A little maintenance and common sense goes a long way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184594</id>
	<title>It may sound weird, but Apple might be right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258821480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fans inside computers shovel several cubic meters of air every day through a very tight space. It could certainly be possible, that this leads to amounts of poisonous residue far above your usual passive smoking hazards. And thus this might not be another piece of green hysteria, but consistent and reasonable action even despite the public outcry, that this may cause.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fans inside computers shovel several cubic meters of air every day through a very tight space .
It could certainly be possible , that this leads to amounts of poisonous residue far above your usual passive smoking hazards .
And thus this might not be another piece of green hysteria , but consistent and reasonable action even despite the public outcry , that this may cause .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fans inside computers shovel several cubic meters of air every day through a very tight space.
It could certainly be possible, that this leads to amounts of poisonous residue far above your usual passive smoking hazards.
And thus this might not be another piece of green hysteria, but consistent and reasonable action even despite the public outcry, that this may cause.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188410</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>St.Creed</author>
	<datestamp>1258801920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Buy a car? Did you smoke in it ? Oh, now it has no resale value, sorry.</p></div><p>This is already happening where I live (Netherlands). If a car has a distinct smell of tobacco, you are going to be pretty hardpressed to sell it without getting it discounted heavily. So standard practice is to take it to a professional car cleaner for a few hundred euros and get it refurbished. The not-so-smart folk get a 1000 euro discount on their price.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Buy a car ?
Did you smoke in it ?
Oh , now it has no resale value , sorry.This is already happening where I live ( Netherlands ) .
If a car has a distinct smell of tobacco , you are going to be pretty hardpressed to sell it without getting it discounted heavily .
So standard practice is to take it to a professional car cleaner for a few hundred euros and get it refurbished .
The not-so-smart folk get a 1000 euro discount on their price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buy a car?
Did you smoke in it ?
Oh, now it has no resale value, sorry.This is already happening where I live (Netherlands).
If a car has a distinct smell of tobacco, you are going to be pretty hardpressed to sell it without getting it discounted heavily.
So standard practice is to take it to a professional car cleaner for a few hundred euros and get it refurbished.
The not-so-smart folk get a 1000 euro discount on their price.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187006</id>
	<title>Re:I don't blame them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258835880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is offtopic but it always seems like people can whip out their most sarcastic, dickish tone online without blinking an eye... if you were just being snarky and joking around throw a smiley on the end of that or something</p><p>Otherwise stop being a dick... jeez. Would you say that in person to someone you just randomly struck up a conversation with?</p></div><p>Or, you know, you could stop being such a pussy.  It's the internet, get over it.  And who knows, I've heard worse things said between people that barely know each other on the street.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is offtopic but it always seems like people can whip out their most sarcastic , dickish tone online without blinking an eye... if you were just being snarky and joking around throw a smiley on the end of that or somethingOtherwise stop being a dick... jeez. Would you say that in person to someone you just randomly struck up a conversation with ? Or , you know , you could stop being such a pussy .
It 's the internet , get over it .
And who knows , I 've heard worse things said between people that barely know each other on the street .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is offtopic but it always seems like people can whip out their most sarcastic, dickish tone online without blinking an eye... if you were just being snarky and joking around throw a smiley on the end of that or somethingOtherwise stop being a dick... jeez. Would you say that in person to someone you just randomly struck up a conversation with?Or, you know, you could stop being such a pussy.
It's the internet, get over it.
And who knows, I've heard worse things said between people that barely know each other on the street.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185552</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184846</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>j-turkey</author>
	<datestamp>1258822920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What amazes me is that smokers believe that their right to smoke trumps everybody else's right to breath fresh, clean air.</p><p>I am, clearly, a non-smoker and I personally take offense to cigarette smoke.  If a computer came into my possession that reeked of cigarette smoke, I'd refuse to work on it, too. Give it to a smoker to fix...in a separate building.</p><p>Let's get serious here. Whose upset that these computers, besides their owners, are not being fixed? Cigarette smokers. If smokers want to fix computers that were in smoker's houses, let the smokers fix them. I mean, God Damn, people! Listen to yourselves! Smokers are actually offended that non-smokers do not want to fix their smelly, second-hand hazardous smoke-filled PCs. What a misdirected sense of entitlement smokers have.</p><p>There isn't a compelling reason for non-smokers to place their health at risk because of a group of people who will not heed medical advice to stop smoking.</p></div><p>Are you serious, or being facetious?  I really can't tell.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What amazes me is that smokers believe that their right to smoke trumps everybody else 's right to breath fresh , clean air.I am , clearly , a non-smoker and I personally take offense to cigarette smoke .
If a computer came into my possession that reeked of cigarette smoke , I 'd refuse to work on it , too .
Give it to a smoker to fix...in a separate building.Let 's get serious here .
Whose upset that these computers , besides their owners , are not being fixed ?
Cigarette smokers .
If smokers want to fix computers that were in smoker 's houses , let the smokers fix them .
I mean , God Damn , people !
Listen to yourselves !
Smokers are actually offended that non-smokers do not want to fix their smelly , second-hand hazardous smoke-filled PCs .
What a misdirected sense of entitlement smokers have.There is n't a compelling reason for non-smokers to place their health at risk because of a group of people who will not heed medical advice to stop smoking.Are you serious , or being facetious ?
I really ca n't tell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What amazes me is that smokers believe that their right to smoke trumps everybody else's right to breath fresh, clean air.I am, clearly, a non-smoker and I personally take offense to cigarette smoke.
If a computer came into my possession that reeked of cigarette smoke, I'd refuse to work on it, too.
Give it to a smoker to fix...in a separate building.Let's get serious here.
Whose upset that these computers, besides their owners, are not being fixed?
Cigarette smokers.
If smokers want to fix computers that were in smoker's houses, let the smokers fix them.
I mean, God Damn, people!
Listen to yourselves!
Smokers are actually offended that non-smokers do not want to fix their smelly, second-hand hazardous smoke-filled PCs.
What a misdirected sense of entitlement smokers have.There isn't a compelling reason for non-smokers to place their health at risk because of a group of people who will not heed medical advice to stop smoking.Are you serious, or being facetious?
I really can't tell.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185552</id>
	<title>Re:I don't blame them</title>
	<author>flydpnkrtn</author>
	<datestamp>1258826880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We have these things, called detergents, also water which can be used to "clean" things. I know that's a novel concept for many smokers. Then we have this other stuff called "paint" which can be put on top of pre-existing walls with a "brush" or "roller" to cover what cannot be "cleaned".</p></div><p>This is offtopic but it always seems like people can whip out their most sarcastic, dickish tone online without blinking an eye... if you were just being snarky and joking around throw a smiley on the end of that or something
<br> <br>
Otherwise stop being a dick... jeez. Would you say that in person to someone you just randomly struck up a conversation with?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have these things , called detergents , also water which can be used to " clean " things .
I know that 's a novel concept for many smokers .
Then we have this other stuff called " paint " which can be put on top of pre-existing walls with a " brush " or " roller " to cover what can not be " cleaned " .This is offtopic but it always seems like people can whip out their most sarcastic , dickish tone online without blinking an eye... if you were just being snarky and joking around throw a smiley on the end of that or something Otherwise stop being a dick... jeez. Would you say that in person to someone you just randomly struck up a conversation with ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have these things, called detergents, also water which can be used to "clean" things.
I know that's a novel concept for many smokers.
Then we have this other stuff called "paint" which can be put on top of pre-existing walls with a "brush" or "roller" to cover what cannot be "cleaned".This is offtopic but it always seems like people can whip out their most sarcastic, dickish tone online without blinking an eye... if you were just being snarky and joking around throw a smiley on the end of that or something
 
Otherwise stop being a dick... jeez. Would you say that in person to someone you just randomly struck up a conversation with?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190702</id>
	<title>smoke? try ramen</title>
	<author>ysth</author>
	<datestamp>1258821300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nothing is as bad as <a href="http://www.perlmonks.org/?node\_id=245530" title="perlmonks.org" rel="nofollow">dried ramen sauce</a> [perlmonks.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing is as bad as dried ramen sauce [ perlmonks.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing is as bad as dried ramen sauce [perlmonks.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184766</id>
	<title>Re:yes and no</title>
	<author>Crock23A</author>
	<datestamp>1258822440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Remember the days of biege boxes and keyboards?  You could very easily spot a smoker's keyboard by the tar on frequently used letters.  I used to wash my hands a lot when I was supporting college professors.  There were even a handful that smoked inside their offices.  The computers there were always sticky and filthy.

That being said, I can't see a company suddenly saying they won't honor a warranty without any fine print to back it up.  There will probably be a statement from apple in a few days smoothing this whole situation over and we can all go back to slowly killing ourselves and each other.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember the days of biege boxes and keyboards ?
You could very easily spot a smoker 's keyboard by the tar on frequently used letters .
I used to wash my hands a lot when I was supporting college professors .
There were even a handful that smoked inside their offices .
The computers there were always sticky and filthy .
That being said , I ca n't see a company suddenly saying they wo n't honor a warranty without any fine print to back it up .
There will probably be a statement from apple in a few days smoothing this whole situation over and we can all go back to slowly killing ourselves and each other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember the days of biege boxes and keyboards?
You could very easily spot a smoker's keyboard by the tar on frequently used letters.
I used to wash my hands a lot when I was supporting college professors.
There were even a handful that smoked inside their offices.
The computers there were always sticky and filthy.
That being said, I can't see a company suddenly saying they won't honor a warranty without any fine print to back it up.
There will probably be a statement from apple in a few days smoothing this whole situation over and we can all go back to slowly killing ourselves and each other.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185578</id>
	<title>Dreadful working on a smoker's machine</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1258827000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Apple techs have my sympathy.  The smoke also chews up the electronics and oxidizes the connectors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Apple techs have my sympathy .
The smoke also chews up the electronics and oxidizes the connectors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Apple techs have my sympathy.
The smoke also chews up the electronics and oxidizes the connectors.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186808</id>
	<title>Re:What about cat owners?</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1258834680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have two cats and when I clean my computers there isn't any hair inside and minimal hair outside. I do clear my computer often but the cats also don't care for being anywhere near the computer.
<br> <br>
Also I suspect they probably would tell you to get bent if you came in with a Mac that looked like it had a cat stuck in the fan. Alternatively if your computer just has a hint of smoke smell to it, they likely won't say anything and it's only if you trashed it due to excessive smoking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have two cats and when I clean my computers there is n't any hair inside and minimal hair outside .
I do clear my computer often but the cats also do n't care for being anywhere near the computer .
Also I suspect they probably would tell you to get bent if you came in with a Mac that looked like it had a cat stuck in the fan .
Alternatively if your computer just has a hint of smoke smell to it , they likely wo n't say anything and it 's only if you trashed it due to excessive smoking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have two cats and when I clean my computers there isn't any hair inside and minimal hair outside.
I do clear my computer often but the cats also don't care for being anywhere near the computer.
Also I suspect they probably would tell you to get bent if you came in with a Mac that looked like it had a cat stuck in the fan.
Alternatively if your computer just has a hint of smoke smell to it, they likely won't say anything and it's only if you trashed it due to excessive smoking.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186288</id>
	<title>Fruit of the poisonous tree???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258831620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So an APPLE in the hands of a smoker is ONE BAD APPLE?</p><p>And that means it is going to ruin the bunch?</p><p>Ok, actual question is... if a computer from a smoker's house is considered toxic, and the computer is therefore "not repairable" by Apple (if the warranty is void because of OSHA concerns then they wouldn't repair it for money either, right?) and so the computer is instead thrown into a land fill with all the other toxins Apple used in the electronics to make it work in the first place... meaning, don't fix a smoker's computer so we can sell another unit while polluting that much more... and who says environmentalist can't make a quick buck?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So an APPLE in the hands of a smoker is ONE BAD APPLE ? And that means it is going to ruin the bunch ? Ok , actual question is... if a computer from a smoker 's house is considered toxic , and the computer is therefore " not repairable " by Apple ( if the warranty is void because of OSHA concerns then they would n't repair it for money either , right ?
) and so the computer is instead thrown into a land fill with all the other toxins Apple used in the electronics to make it work in the first place... meaning , do n't fix a smoker 's computer so we can sell another unit while polluting that much more... and who says environmentalist ca n't make a quick buck ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So an APPLE in the hands of a smoker is ONE BAD APPLE?And that means it is going to ruin the bunch?Ok, actual question is... if a computer from a smoker's house is considered toxic, and the computer is therefore "not repairable" by Apple (if the warranty is void because of OSHA concerns then they wouldn't repair it for money either, right?
) and so the computer is instead thrown into a land fill with all the other toxins Apple used in the electronics to make it work in the first place... meaning, don't fix a smoker's computer so we can sell another unit while polluting that much more... and who says environmentalist can't make a quick buck?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30189154</id>
	<title>Re:Not discriminatory against smokers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258807140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can understand the warranty being voided.  I think it's petty, but logical.  If the customer's smoking habit caused the failure, then sure, declare the warranty voided.  But if there is an OSHA violation here, it is Apple's for not providing the proper protective gear their technicians should have, i.e. a pair of gloves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can understand the warranty being voided .
I think it 's petty , but logical .
If the customer 's smoking habit caused the failure , then sure , declare the warranty voided .
But if there is an OSHA violation here , it is Apple 's for not providing the proper protective gear their technicians should have , i.e .
a pair of gloves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can understand the warranty being voided.
I think it's petty, but logical.
If the customer's smoking habit caused the failure, then sure, declare the warranty voided.
But if there is an OSHA violation here, it is Apple's for not providing the proper protective gear their technicians should have, i.e.
a pair of gloves.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186480</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186844</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258834920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd second this, and make the analogy: if you had a PC/Mac that was in a wood/metal shop, and it got full of sawdust or metal filings, wouldn't that constitute neglect and improper use? If you set up your PC/Mac on your back patio table and it got rained on, would you look through the warranty for the specific phrase "exposure to inclement weather/rainfall"? If you filled it full of tapioca.....<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....okay, that's a bit too far.</p><p>But I will say this; I am a technician as well, and one time I had to work on a machine that, due to the fact the fins on the heatsink fins were oriented horizontally, and the CPU was a K6-2 500 (remember how hot they got?), the tar inside the case had melted and hardened with each turning on and off, so that there was a 3" long tarsicle hanging from one side of the heatsink.</p><p>I now own my own shop, and we have a "heavy smoker" clause in our warranty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd second this , and make the analogy : if you had a PC/Mac that was in a wood/metal shop , and it got full of sawdust or metal filings , would n't that constitute neglect and improper use ?
If you set up your PC/Mac on your back patio table and it got rained on , would you look through the warranty for the specific phrase " exposure to inclement weather/rainfall " ?
If you filled it full of tapioca..... ....okay , that 's a bit too far.But I will say this ; I am a technician as well , and one time I had to work on a machine that , due to the fact the fins on the heatsink fins were oriented horizontally , and the CPU was a K6-2 500 ( remember how hot they got ?
) , the tar inside the case had melted and hardened with each turning on and off , so that there was a 3 " long tarsicle hanging from one side of the heatsink.I now own my own shop , and we have a " heavy smoker " clause in our warranty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd second this, and make the analogy: if you had a PC/Mac that was in a wood/metal shop, and it got full of sawdust or metal filings, wouldn't that constitute neglect and improper use?
If you set up your PC/Mac on your back patio table and it got rained on, would you look through the warranty for the specific phrase "exposure to inclement weather/rainfall"?
If you filled it full of tapioca..... ....okay, that's a bit too far.But I will say this; I am a technician as well, and one time I had to work on a machine that, due to the fact the fins on the heatsink fins were oriented horizontally, and the CPU was a K6-2 500 (remember how hot they got?
), the tar inside the case had melted and hardened with each turning on and off, so that there was a 3" long tarsicle hanging from one side of the heatsink.I now own my own shop, and we have a "heavy smoker" clause in our warranty.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188390</id>
	<title>Common</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258801740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Worked at a PC Repair shop in the 90's and the laptops were the worst. Can't understand how people use a computer with a layer of dirt thicker than the gunk on a scratch-off ticket. I still had to fix it but it was always shelved until I had no other choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Worked at a PC Repair shop in the 90 's and the laptops were the worst .
Ca n't understand how people use a computer with a layer of dirt thicker than the gunk on a scratch-off ticket .
I still had to fix it but it was always shelved until I had no other choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Worked at a PC Repair shop in the 90's and the laptops were the worst.
Can't understand how people use a computer with a layer of dirt thicker than the gunk on a scratch-off ticket.
I still had to fix it but it was always shelved until I had no other choice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184620</id>
	<title>That's utterly ridiculous.</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1258821660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even if you accepted the inflated figures of second hand smoke, some smoke exposure is a pretty fricking low cause of death.  AS it is, the number 1 killer in the USA, or at least near to it, is the fricking flu.  If Apple cared about their workers, their hourly people would get paid sick time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if you accepted the inflated figures of second hand smoke , some smoke exposure is a pretty fricking low cause of death .
AS it is , the number 1 killer in the USA , or at least near to it , is the fricking flu .
If Apple cared about their workers , their hourly people would get paid sick time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if you accepted the inflated figures of second hand smoke, some smoke exposure is a pretty fricking low cause of death.
AS it is, the number 1 killer in the USA, or at least near to it, is the fricking flu.
If Apple cared about their workers, their hourly people would get paid sick time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188194</id>
	<title>fags are a bio hazard!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258800600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>they need to be put on an island where they can go extinct!!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>they need to be put on an island where they can go extinct ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they need to be put on an island where they can go extinct!!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185648</id>
	<title>Fraud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258827420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless the warranty or EULA specifically mentions smoking, it's fraud plain and simple. The OSHA claims are just as fraudulent and easy to debunk. Just call up your local OSHA office and ask them about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless the warranty or EULA specifically mentions smoking , it 's fraud plain and simple .
The OSHA claims are just as fraudulent and easy to debunk .
Just call up your local OSHA office and ask them about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless the warranty or EULA specifically mentions smoking, it's fraud plain and simple.
The OSHA claims are just as fraudulent and easy to debunk.
Just call up your local OSHA office and ask them about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184888</id>
	<title>Re:That's utterly ridiculous.</title>
	<author>ColdWetDog</author>
	<datestamp>1258823160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>AS it is, the number 1 killer in the USA, or at least near to it, is the fricking flu.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Not really.... <br> <br>
<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us\_flu-related\_deaths.htm" title="cdc.gov">Deaths due to influenza</a> [cdc.gov] per year = apx. 36,000.<br> <br>
<a href="http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4545" title="americanheart.org">Deaths due to cigarettes</a> [americanheart.org] per year = apx. 440,000<br> <br>
Even correcting for the fact that 'deaths due to cigarette smoking' are harder to establish (in terms of causality) than influenza, Mr. Butts wins big time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>AS it is , the number 1 killer in the USA , or at least near to it , is the fricking flu .
Not really... . Deaths due to influenza [ cdc.gov ] per year = apx .
36,000 . Deaths due to cigarettes [ americanheart.org ] per year = apx .
440,000 Even correcting for the fact that 'deaths due to cigarette smoking ' are harder to establish ( in terms of causality ) than influenza , Mr. Butts wins big time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AS it is, the number 1 killer in the USA, or at least near to it, is the fricking flu.
Not really....  
Deaths due to influenza [cdc.gov] per year = apx.
36,000. 
Deaths due to cigarettes [americanheart.org] per year = apx.
440,000 
Even correcting for the fact that 'deaths due to cigarette smoking' are harder to establish (in terms of causality) than influenza, Mr. Butts wins big time.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184620</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185518</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1258826760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can this actually be legal? Smoking is ( currently at least ) legal, so how can they penalize a smoker?</p></div><p>Submerging your computer in water is legal.  Smashing it with a sledgehammer is legal too.  Contracts can restrict actions further than many laws.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can this actually be legal ?
Smoking is ( currently at least ) legal , so how can they penalize a smoker ? Submerging your computer in water is legal .
Smashing it with a sledgehammer is legal too .
Contracts can restrict actions further than many laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can this actually be legal?
Smoking is ( currently at least ) legal, so how can they penalize a smoker?Submerging your computer in water is legal.
Smashing it with a sledgehammer is legal too.
Contracts can restrict actions further than many laws.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184490</id>
	<title>up next</title>
	<author>luther349</author>
	<datestamp>1258820940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>class action lawsuit anyone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>class action lawsuit anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>class action lawsuit anyone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188888</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258805100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I am pleased...</i> </p><p>I'd be pleased if you'd fuck yourself.</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><i>..back when it was somehow allowed to smoke indoors in the office while you work.</i> </p><p>You sanctimonious, suppurating,  little twat-sore -- isn't it too bad that the world hasn't always enjoyed your level of "enlightenment"? WWII was won by heavy smokers. What have you accomplished in your few pathetic yuppie-consciousness years on earth?</p><p> <i>fendangled</i> </p><p>Too much of a pussy to use the word "fucking" where it should be used. Blew your cover, Ned Flanders.</p><p> <i>For example, if I put my computer through a dish washer, they would have the equal right to not honor my warranty claim, as I 'intentionally damaged' it in much the same way.</i> </p><p>However, dipshit, smoking is not yet legally (or even in the service contract) defined as abuse.</p><p>Simple solution -- Apple has to replace the failed device if they will not honor the warranty by repairing it. Especially if the repair is in no way connected to smoking -- e.g. a failed hard drive. (They're sealed, you know, and cannot possibly get smoke inside them.)</p><p>In summary, FOAD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am pleased... I 'd be pleased if you 'd fuck yourself .
..back when it was somehow allowed to smoke indoors in the office while you work .
You sanctimonious , suppurating , little twat-sore -- is n't it too bad that the world has n't always enjoyed your level of " enlightenment " ?
WWII was won by heavy smokers .
What have you accomplished in your few pathetic yuppie-consciousness years on earth ?
fendangled Too much of a pussy to use the word " fucking " where it should be used .
Blew your cover , Ned Flanders .
For example , if I put my computer through a dish washer , they would have the equal right to not honor my warranty claim , as I 'intentionally damaged ' it in much the same way .
However , dipshit , smoking is not yet legally ( or even in the service contract ) defined as abuse.Simple solution -- Apple has to replace the failed device if they will not honor the warranty by repairing it .
Especially if the repair is in no way connected to smoking -- e.g .
a failed hard drive .
( They 're sealed , you know , and can not possibly get smoke inside them .
) In summary , FOAD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am pleased... I'd be pleased if you'd fuck yourself.
..back when it was somehow allowed to smoke indoors in the office while you work.
You sanctimonious, suppurating,  little twat-sore -- isn't it too bad that the world hasn't always enjoyed your level of "enlightenment"?
WWII was won by heavy smokers.
What have you accomplished in your few pathetic yuppie-consciousness years on earth?
fendangled Too much of a pussy to use the word "fucking" where it should be used.
Blew your cover, Ned Flanders.
For example, if I put my computer through a dish washer, they would have the equal right to not honor my warranty claim, as I 'intentionally damaged' it in much the same way.
However, dipshit, smoking is not yet legally (or even in the service contract) defined as abuse.Simple solution -- Apple has to replace the failed device if they will not honor the warranty by repairing it.
Especially if the repair is in no way connected to smoking -- e.g.
a failed hard drive.
(They're sealed, you know, and cannot possibly get smoke inside them.
)In summary, FOAD.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184914</id>
	<title>Re:Ridiculous</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1258823400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tell me why my modpoints went away yesterday? Today I'd finally need one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell me why my modpoints went away yesterday ?
Today I 'd finally need one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell me why my modpoints went away yesterday?
Today I'd finally need one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184422</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185988</id>
	<title>Re:What about cat owners?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258829520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about people who have cats that smoke? That's gotta be double bad!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about people who have cats that smoke ?
That 's got ta be double bad !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about people who have cats that smoke?
That's gotta be double bad!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184892</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186860</id>
	<title>Re:As a nonsmoking apple fan</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1258834980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>That's not "next", that's "now". Try getting support on an iPhone where you've installed software that hasn't been specifically approved for you to use by Apple.</i></p><p>When I got my Mac after ordering it, I ordered it online, I started installing the software I ordered with it and couldn't get one application to run right.  I bought a system utility and before installing it I wanted it to run from DVD first but it refused to boot up.  So the following day I went down to an Apple store and showed it to one of the techs.  The tech looked at it and told me the utility I was sent was an older version that couldn't handle the new hardware, I had ordered and got it right after a hardware upgrade.</p><p>On the other hand I had a problem when I installed Eclipse for development, it gave me a multi-page error message then wouldn't run right.  So again I went to an Apple store and was told there that it was against company policy for Apple stores to help with development and programming.  I was then told I should try to use Apple's online developer forums and ask for help.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not " next " , that 's " now " .
Try getting support on an iPhone where you 've installed software that has n't been specifically approved for you to use by Apple.When I got my Mac after ordering it , I ordered it online , I started installing the software I ordered with it and could n't get one application to run right .
I bought a system utility and before installing it I wanted it to run from DVD first but it refused to boot up .
So the following day I went down to an Apple store and showed it to one of the techs .
The tech looked at it and told me the utility I was sent was an older version that could n't handle the new hardware , I had ordered and got it right after a hardware upgrade.On the other hand I had a problem when I installed Eclipse for development , it gave me a multi-page error message then would n't run right .
So again I went to an Apple store and was told there that it was against company policy for Apple stores to help with development and programming .
I was then told I should try to use Apple 's online developer forums and ask for help .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not "next", that's "now".
Try getting support on an iPhone where you've installed software that hasn't been specifically approved for you to use by Apple.When I got my Mac after ordering it, I ordered it online, I started installing the software I ordered with it and couldn't get one application to run right.
I bought a system utility and before installing it I wanted it to run from DVD first but it refused to boot up.
So the following day I went down to an Apple store and showed it to one of the techs.
The tech looked at it and told me the utility I was sent was an older version that couldn't handle the new hardware, I had ordered and got it right after a hardware upgrade.On the other hand I had a problem when I installed Eclipse for development, it gave me a multi-page error message then wouldn't run right.
So again I went to an Apple store and was told there that it was against company policy for Apple stores to help with development and programming.
I was then told I should try to use Apple's online developer forums and ask for help.
Falcon</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187664</id>
	<title>It was awful.</title>
	<author>BenFenner</author>
	<datestamp>1258796940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've done a hardware repair on a client's computer who smokes.<br>
<br>
Never again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've done a hardware repair on a client 's computer who smokes .
Never again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've done a hardware repair on a client's computer who smokes.
Never again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185612</id>
	<title>Ever worked on a computer from a smoking home?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258827180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't say that I blame them. I've worked on a few computers from smoking environments. The insides are typically caked and coated with nicotine residue. It definitely rubs off on your hands when working with the insides. Not to mention the smell is disgusting. Can't say I blame them at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't say that I blame them .
I 've worked on a few computers from smoking environments .
The insides are typically caked and coated with nicotine residue .
It definitely rubs off on your hands when working with the insides .
Not to mention the smell is disgusting .
Ca n't say I blame them at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't say that I blame them.
I've worked on a few computers from smoking environments.
The insides are typically caked and coated with nicotine residue.
It definitely rubs off on your hands when working with the insides.
Not to mention the smell is disgusting.
Can't say I blame them at all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185442</id>
	<title>Re:So is beer</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1258826280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have and it has been.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have and it has been .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have and it has been.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184714</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30191458</id>
	<title>Re:I don't blame them</title>
	<author>rawg</author>
	<datestamp>1258831560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It does nothing for dog piss though.  Stupid people.  I need to burn this house down and replace it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does nothing for dog piss though .
Stupid people .
I need to burn this house down and replace it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It does nothing for dog piss though.
Stupid people.
I need to burn this house down and replace it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185162</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190998</id>
	<title>Re:Who the hell smokes indoors?</title>
	<author>ogdenk</author>
	<datestamp>1258825680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gee, I don't know.....  most smokers.  Including me.</p><p>I go outside most the time but I still smoke in my house if it's really cold out or something which is rare in SC.  It's<br>my house, who are you to judge?  My 6 yr old son is even kind enough to remind me I'm killing myself on a daily basis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gee , I do n't know..... most smokers .
Including me.I go outside most the time but I still smoke in my house if it 's really cold out or something which is rare in SC .
It'smy house , who are you to judge ?
My 6 yr old son is even kind enough to remind me I 'm killing myself on a daily basis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gee, I don't know.....  most smokers.
Including me.I go outside most the time but I still smoke in my house if it's really cold out or something which is rare in SC.
It'smy house, who are you to judge?
My 6 yr old son is even kind enough to remind me I'm killing myself on a daily basis.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186726</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to deny</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1258834080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Smoking is a legal pleasure but people also have the right to avoid smoke, nicotine residue, etc.
<br> <br>
I'm sure they're confident that their computers can function in a normal home environment. I doubt they void warranties on any computer that happens to smell of smoke and heavily smoking in a closed house, imo, is not a normal home environment. It's down right unhealthy with the least of your worries being Apple voiding your warranty.
<br> <br>
Their full warranty and repair terms can be found online but just from the FAQ ( <a href="http://www.apple.com/support/macbook/service/" title="apple.com">http://www.apple.com/support/macbook/service/</a> [apple.com] ) it states:<p><div class="quote"><p> <em>
Apple&rsquo;s One-Year Limited Warranty for MacBook excludes coverage for damage resulting from a number of events, including accident, liquid spill or submersion, unauthorized service and unauthorized modifications. If damage is outside the scope of warranty coverage, service may be available through a local AASP or an Apple retail store, but all service charges will be your responsibility. In such an event, you will be asked to approve the estimated charges and accept the terms and conditions for service before authorizing the repair. If the repair is performed at an Apple retail store  Apple's Repair Terms and Conditions will govern service. Repair service for a MacBook that has experienced catastrophic damage, for example extensive liquid damage or a severe impact that results in the product being disassembled into multiple pieces, is generally not available and not eligible for service. </em></p> </div><p>Spilling liquids is rather common in a normal household and not covered.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Smoking is a legal pleasure but people also have the right to avoid smoke , nicotine residue , etc .
I 'm sure they 're confident that their computers can function in a normal home environment .
I doubt they void warranties on any computer that happens to smell of smoke and heavily smoking in a closed house , imo , is not a normal home environment .
It 's down right unhealthy with the least of your worries being Apple voiding your warranty .
Their full warranty and repair terms can be found online but just from the FAQ ( http : //www.apple.com/support/macbook/service/ [ apple.com ] ) it states : Apple    s One-Year Limited Warranty for MacBook excludes coverage for damage resulting from a number of events , including accident , liquid spill or submersion , unauthorized service and unauthorized modifications .
If damage is outside the scope of warranty coverage , service may be available through a local AASP or an Apple retail store , but all service charges will be your responsibility .
In such an event , you will be asked to approve the estimated charges and accept the terms and conditions for service before authorizing the repair .
If the repair is performed at an Apple retail store Apple 's Repair Terms and Conditions will govern service .
Repair service for a MacBook that has experienced catastrophic damage , for example extensive liquid damage or a severe impact that results in the product being disassembled into multiple pieces , is generally not available and not eligible for service .
Spilling liquids is rather common in a normal household and not covered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Smoking is a legal pleasure but people also have the right to avoid smoke, nicotine residue, etc.
I'm sure they're confident that their computers can function in a normal home environment.
I doubt they void warranties on any computer that happens to smell of smoke and heavily smoking in a closed house, imo, is not a normal home environment.
It's down right unhealthy with the least of your worries being Apple voiding your warranty.
Their full warranty and repair terms can be found online but just from the FAQ ( http://www.apple.com/support/macbook/service/ [apple.com] ) it states: 
Apple’s One-Year Limited Warranty for MacBook excludes coverage for damage resulting from a number of events, including accident, liquid spill or submersion, unauthorized service and unauthorized modifications.
If damage is outside the scope of warranty coverage, service may be available through a local AASP or an Apple retail store, but all service charges will be your responsibility.
In such an event, you will be asked to approve the estimated charges and accept the terms and conditions for service before authorizing the repair.
If the repair is performed at an Apple retail store  Apple's Repair Terms and Conditions will govern service.
Repair service for a MacBook that has experienced catastrophic damage, for example extensive liquid damage or a severe impact that results in the product being disassembled into multiple pieces, is generally not available and not eligible for service.
Spilling liquids is rather common in a normal household and not covered.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186384</id>
	<title>Re:What about cat owners?</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1258832160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have several PCs in my home doing media center stuff, all my TVs get their signal from a PC.  Anything sitting on the floor, near where pets are allowed (we have two dogs, one long hair, one short) is just disgusting inside and I clean them every 6 months or so to get the crap out of the fan.</p><p>The ones up higher, or in the closet stay relatively clean.  They still get it worse than the PCs in our office where pets very rarely show up, but there is certainly major damage caused by pet dander and hair at home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have several PCs in my home doing media center stuff , all my TVs get their signal from a PC .
Anything sitting on the floor , near where pets are allowed ( we have two dogs , one long hair , one short ) is just disgusting inside and I clean them every 6 months or so to get the crap out of the fan.The ones up higher , or in the closet stay relatively clean .
They still get it worse than the PCs in our office where pets very rarely show up , but there is certainly major damage caused by pet dander and hair at home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have several PCs in my home doing media center stuff, all my TVs get their signal from a PC.
Anything sitting on the floor, near where pets are allowed (we have two dogs, one long hair, one short) is just disgusting inside and I clean them every 6 months or so to get the crap out of the fan.The ones up higher, or in the closet stay relatively clean.
They still get it worse than the PCs in our office where pets very rarely show up, but there is certainly major damage caused by pet dander and hair at home.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185160</id>
	<title>Right, like they (you?) can</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258824840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get a life? You think that's possible for anyone who dreams of Steve Jobs with an Apple up their ass? Fucking Apple users^W whores just like to bitch even though they enjoy being treated like shit. Nothing new. Hell they crave it and they flaunt it, why else would they be Apple customers? Steve Jobs knows what the harem really wants and gives it to them hard (there's a reason he ain't designing socks). Butch, femi, or Apple, that's the three main kinds of homosexuality, simple as that. There are no other explanations for the rounded corners (edges hurt too much with protracted use), the one button mouse (vagina envy), anal sex (vagina envy again), and everything else Apple including the name itself (it screams "eat me!").</p><p>Buy a normal laptop instead of an Apple and smokers can easily afford buying two new ones when needed, each of the three machines should last at least two years and they would have bought at least one new Apple dildo within six years anyway.</p><p>Regards,<br>Anonymous "Big Black Chimney" Coward</p><p>P.S. I touched a MacIntosh once and there was nothing under the kilt, it was an "empty kilt". They aren't buying Apples to get a computer that's for sure. And Apple just misread BSD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a life ?
You think that 's possible for anyone who dreams of Steve Jobs with an Apple up their ass ?
Fucking Apple users ^ W whores just like to bitch even though they enjoy being treated like shit .
Nothing new .
Hell they crave it and they flaunt it , why else would they be Apple customers ?
Steve Jobs knows what the harem really wants and gives it to them hard ( there 's a reason he ai n't designing socks ) .
Butch , femi , or Apple , that 's the three main kinds of homosexuality , simple as that .
There are no other explanations for the rounded corners ( edges hurt too much with protracted use ) , the one button mouse ( vagina envy ) , anal sex ( vagina envy again ) , and everything else Apple including the name itself ( it screams " eat me !
" ) .Buy a normal laptop instead of an Apple and smokers can easily afford buying two new ones when needed , each of the three machines should last at least two years and they would have bought at least one new Apple dildo within six years anyway.Regards,Anonymous " Big Black Chimney " CowardP.S .
I touched a MacIntosh once and there was nothing under the kilt , it was an " empty kilt " .
They are n't buying Apples to get a computer that 's for sure .
And Apple just misread BSD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a life?
You think that's possible for anyone who dreams of Steve Jobs with an Apple up their ass?
Fucking Apple users^W whores just like to bitch even though they enjoy being treated like shit.
Nothing new.
Hell they crave it and they flaunt it, why else would they be Apple customers?
Steve Jobs knows what the harem really wants and gives it to them hard (there's a reason he ain't designing socks).
Butch, femi, or Apple, that's the three main kinds of homosexuality, simple as that.
There are no other explanations for the rounded corners (edges hurt too much with protracted use), the one button mouse (vagina envy), anal sex (vagina envy again), and everything else Apple including the name itself (it screams "eat me!
").Buy a normal laptop instead of an Apple and smokers can easily afford buying two new ones when needed, each of the three machines should last at least two years and they would have bought at least one new Apple dildo within six years anyway.Regards,Anonymous "Big Black Chimney" CowardP.S.
I touched a MacIntosh once and there was nothing under the kilt, it was an "empty kilt".
They aren't buying Apples to get a computer that's for sure.
And Apple just misread BSD.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30190594</id>
	<title>Re:Have you ever looked inside a smoker's computer</title>
	<author>jcombel</author>
	<datestamp>1258819860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's not from smoking, it's from dust and dander in the air.  His father probably has pets.</p></div><p>negative.  the orange color is a pretty solid indicator that this is a smoker's house.  <br> <br>

a house with pets will have larger hairs (and plenty of them!), those are more like fibers from carpeting.  <br> <br>

sure, clean houses get dusty computers, too, that's just the nature of computers because of how air flows through them.  a house that is well-maintained will have very fine, soft dust (highly processed by vacuums).<br> <br>

not photograph-able: the sticky-to-the-touch quality of that orange dust. uugghhhghghghgh<br> <br>

my shop does mostly PCs, and we will also not warranty hardware problems on parts with exposed circuit boards (or fans) when they're coated in that gross residue - for both neglect-to-the-equipment and this-is-gross-you-can't-pay-me-enough reasons</p></div>
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<tokenext>That 's not from smoking , it 's from dust and dander in the air .
His father probably has pets.negative .
the orange color is a pretty solid indicator that this is a smoker 's house .
a house with pets will have larger hairs ( and plenty of them !
) , those are more like fibers from carpeting .
sure , clean houses get dusty computers , too , that 's just the nature of computers because of how air flows through them .
a house that is well-maintained will have very fine , soft dust ( highly processed by vacuums ) .
not photograph-able : the sticky-to-the-touch quality of that orange dust .
uugghhhghghghgh my shop does mostly PCs , and we will also not warranty hardware problems on parts with exposed circuit boards ( or fans ) when they 're coated in that gross residue - for both neglect-to-the-equipment and this-is-gross-you-ca n't-pay-me-enough reasons</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not from smoking, it's from dust and dander in the air.
His father probably has pets.negative.
the orange color is a pretty solid indicator that this is a smoker's house.
a house with pets will have larger hairs (and plenty of them!
), those are more like fibers from carpeting.
sure, clean houses get dusty computers, too, that's just the nature of computers because of how air flows through them.
a house that is well-maintained will have very fine, soft dust (highly processed by vacuums).
not photograph-able: the sticky-to-the-touch quality of that orange dust.
uugghhhghghghgh 

my shop does mostly PCs, and we will also not warranty hardware problems on parts with exposed circuit boards (or fans) when they're coated in that gross residue - for both neglect-to-the-equipment and this-is-gross-you-can't-pay-me-enough reasons
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188206</id>
	<title>So is drinking soda</title>
	<author>Ice Station Zebra</author>
	<datestamp>1258800660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and if you spill it on your computer it will void your warranty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and if you spill it on your computer it will void your warranty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and if you spill it on your computer it will void your warranty.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184940</id>
	<title>I'm glad I have a honest vendor</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1258823580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mine complains about my brownish-yellow stained computer cables every time I have my servers in for service (yes, I smoke in the server room, sue me). But mostly because they care about my health and don't want to lose a good customer to the coughing death.</p><p>Oh, maybe my service fee is higher than what you pay at Apple. But it includes face masks to protect their techs, it seems. I'm fairly sure you get them cheaply from a lot of governments that bought tons of masks during the last flu craze but nobody wanted to wear them in public because they make you look like a paranoid loonie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mine complains about my brownish-yellow stained computer cables every time I have my servers in for service ( yes , I smoke in the server room , sue me ) .
But mostly because they care about my health and do n't want to lose a good customer to the coughing death.Oh , maybe my service fee is higher than what you pay at Apple .
But it includes face masks to protect their techs , it seems .
I 'm fairly sure you get them cheaply from a lot of governments that bought tons of masks during the last flu craze but nobody wanted to wear them in public because they make you look like a paranoid loonie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mine complains about my brownish-yellow stained computer cables every time I have my servers in for service (yes, I smoke in the server room, sue me).
But mostly because they care about my health and don't want to lose a good customer to the coughing death.Oh, maybe my service fee is higher than what you pay at Apple.
But it includes face masks to protect their techs, it seems.
I'm fairly sure you get them cheaply from a lot of governments that bought tons of masks during the last flu craze but nobody wanted to wear them in public because they make you look like a paranoid loonie.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184696</id>
	<title>I'm not surprised</title>
	<author>Trevin</author>
	<datestamp>1258822080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They've also refused service on devices where their litmus indicator shows signs of turning pink (<a href="http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9214797" title="apple.com">http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9214797</a> [apple.com], <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/04/14/smart.phones.buggy/index.html" title="cnn.com">http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/04/14/smart.phones.buggy/index.html</a> [cnn.com], <a href="http://techgeist.net/2009/09/apple-iphone-abuse-detection-sensors-abusing-2/" title="techgeist.net">http://techgeist.net/2009/09/apple-iphone-abuse-detection-sensors-abusing-2/</a> [techgeist.net]).  It sounds like they're still looking for more excuses not to honor their "warranty."</p><p>I won't be buying any more Apple products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 've also refused service on devices where their litmus indicator shows signs of turning pink ( http : //discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa ? messageID = 9214797 [ apple.com ] , http : //www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/04/14/smart.phones.buggy/index.html [ cnn.com ] , http : //techgeist.net/2009/09/apple-iphone-abuse-detection-sensors-abusing-2/ [ techgeist.net ] ) .
It sounds like they 're still looking for more excuses not to honor their " warranty .
" I wo n't be buying any more Apple products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They've also refused service on devices where their litmus indicator shows signs of turning pink (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9214797 [apple.com], http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/04/14/smart.phones.buggy/index.html [cnn.com], http://techgeist.net/2009/09/apple-iphone-abuse-detection-sensors-abusing-2/ [techgeist.net]).
It sounds like they're still looking for more excuses not to honor their "warranty.
"I won't be buying any more Apple products.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185368</id>
	<title>Re:I'm not surprised</title>
	<author>Demonantis</author>
	<datestamp>1258825800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I read your links and the first thing that jumped to my mind was vapour pressure. Water could easily condense on the sensors if the device is in a hot humid environment that then moves to a cold one. Its called dew and people experience it all the time. I agree. I call shenanigans.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I read your links and the first thing that jumped to my mind was vapour pressure .
Water could easily condense on the sensors if the device is in a hot humid environment that then moves to a cold one .
Its called dew and people experience it all the time .
I agree .
I call shenanigans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read your links and the first thing that jumped to my mind was vapour pressure.
Water could easily condense on the sensors if the device is in a hot humid environment that then moves to a cold one.
Its called dew and people experience it all the time.
I agree.
I call shenanigans.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30191156</id>
	<title>Re:I'm a PC...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258827600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not if you rent in NYC.  Smoking is now widely prohibited as part of any lease, due to risk to others.  This is no different.  Smoking is just bad and needs to be completely banned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not if you rent in NYC .
Smoking is now widely prohibited as part of any lease , due to risk to others .
This is no different .
Smoking is just bad and needs to be completely banned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not if you rent in NYC.
Smoking is now widely prohibited as part of any lease, due to risk to others.
This is no different.
Smoking is just bad and needs to be completely banned.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30193080</id>
	<title>Re:Not discriminatory against smokers</title>
	<author>cortana</author>
	<datestamp>1258903080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does smoking near the device damage it in the same way that heat or humidity do?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does smoking near the device damage it in the same way that heat or humidity do ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does smoking near the device damage it in the same way that heat or humidity do?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184974</id>
	<title>Re:The "I Blame The Government" Excuse</title>
	<author>Skuld-Chan</author>
	<datestamp>1258823760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I worked for a small computer shop in high school (give you a vintage - Pentium 90 was bleeding edge and like a 1500$ chip). We got a machine that had failed because a cat used it for a litter box. We refused to work on it, and it smelled awful.</p><p>We used to charge extra to work on machines at a local bottling plant - the insides were caked with syrup.</p><p>I dunno - I think Apple was ok in doing this because they determined the machine was being abused outside its normal operating parameters. If you used the machine for a litterbox, or used it outdoors in the rain and the damp weather - both of which may lead to environmentally caused points of failure - I think that is abusing the warranty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked for a small computer shop in high school ( give you a vintage - Pentium 90 was bleeding edge and like a 1500 $ chip ) .
We got a machine that had failed because a cat used it for a litter box .
We refused to work on it , and it smelled awful.We used to charge extra to work on machines at a local bottling plant - the insides were caked with syrup.I dunno - I think Apple was ok in doing this because they determined the machine was being abused outside its normal operating parameters .
If you used the machine for a litterbox , or used it outdoors in the rain and the damp weather - both of which may lead to environmentally caused points of failure - I think that is abusing the warranty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked for a small computer shop in high school (give you a vintage - Pentium 90 was bleeding edge and like a 1500$ chip).
We got a machine that had failed because a cat used it for a litter box.
We refused to work on it, and it smelled awful.We used to charge extra to work on machines at a local bottling plant - the insides were caked with syrup.I dunno - I think Apple was ok in doing this because they determined the machine was being abused outside its normal operating parameters.
If you used the machine for a litterbox, or used it outdoors in the rain and the damp weather - both of which may lead to environmentally caused points of failure - I think that is abusing the warranty.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184624</id>
	<title>Maybe get some facts straight?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258821720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Remember when they claimed enabling 802.11n for free would be a Sarbanes-Oxley violation?</p></div><p>Why yes, I do. I also remember that it's a perfectly legitimate (though perhaps conservative) claim as well. And I also remember all the people mocking Apple who clearly had no idea at all how revenue must be accounted for in publicly-held companies. Apparently some of you ignoramuses just do not want to let go...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember when they claimed enabling 802.11n for free would be a Sarbanes-Oxley violation ? Why yes , I do .
I also remember that it 's a perfectly legitimate ( though perhaps conservative ) claim as well .
And I also remember all the people mocking Apple who clearly had no idea at all how revenue must be accounted for in publicly-held companies .
Apparently some of you ignoramuses just do not want to let go.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember when they claimed enabling 802.11n for free would be a Sarbanes-Oxley violation?Why yes, I do.
I also remember that it's a perfectly legitimate (though perhaps conservative) claim as well.
And I also remember all the people mocking Apple who clearly had no idea at all how revenue must be accounted for in publicly-held companies.
Apparently some of you ignoramuses just do not want to let go...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186794</id>
	<title>Re:What about cat owners?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258834560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd say cleaning cat hair to be equal to cleaning cigarette residue in the sanitary department.  Void warranties on cat owners?  Shit, throw in dog owners too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd say cleaning cat hair to be equal to cleaning cigarette residue in the sanitary department .
Void warranties on cat owners ?
Shit , throw in dog owners too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd say cleaning cat hair to be equal to cleaning cigarette residue in the sanitary department.
Void warranties on cat owners?
Shit, throw in dog owners too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186522</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258833000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Second hand smoke contains bacteria?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Second hand smoke contains bacteria ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Second hand smoke contains bacteria?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188580</id>
	<title>Re:Smokers</title>
	<author>Swave An deBwoner</author>
	<datestamp>1258803240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You take the machine outside and "hose down" the system with a spray circuit board cleaner and replace the PSU.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Ironically, many of those circuit board cleaners had carcinogens like toluene and benzene; people used to virtually wash their hands and arms in that stuff in the "good old days".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You take the machine outside and " hose down " the system with a spray circuit board cleaner and replace the PSU .
Ironically , many of those circuit board cleaners had carcinogens like toluene and benzene ; people used to virtually wash their hands and arms in that stuff in the " good old days " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You take the machine outside and "hose down" the system with a spray circuit board cleaner and replace the PSU.
Ironically, many of those circuit board cleaners had carcinogens like toluene and benzene; people used to virtually wash their hands and arms in that stuff in the "good old days".
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186176</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30187244</id>
	<title>Re:Two Thumbs UP!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258794360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wow, you sound like a huge douchebag</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wow , you sound like a huge douchebag</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wow, you sound like a huge douchebag</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184786</id>
	<title>Re:That's utterly ridiculous.</title>
	<author>Kev6</author>
	<datestamp>1258822560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The flu (and pneumonia) is actually the 8th leading cause of death in the US.  The first two leading causes of death are heart disease and cancer, with more than 10x the number of deaths than the flu. Both of these can be caused by smoking.
<br> <br>
Heart disease: 631,636<br>
Cancer: 559,888<br>
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 137,119<br>
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 124,583<br>
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 121,599<br>
Diabetes: 72,449<br>
Alzheimer's disease: 72,432<br>
Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,326<br>
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 45,344<br>
Septicemia: 34,234<br>
<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/FASTATS/lcod.htm" title="cdc.gov" rel="nofollow">From the CDC</a> [cdc.gov]</htmltext>
<tokenext>The flu ( and pneumonia ) is actually the 8th leading cause of death in the US .
The first two leading causes of death are heart disease and cancer , with more than 10x the number of deaths than the flu .
Both of these can be caused by smoking .
Heart disease : 631,636 Cancer : 559,888 Stroke ( cerebrovascular diseases ) : 137,119 Chronic lower respiratory diseases : 124,583 Accidents ( unintentional injuries ) : 121,599 Diabetes : 72,449 Alzheimer 's disease : 72,432 Influenza and Pneumonia : 56,326 Nephritis , nephrotic syndrome , and nephrosis : 45,344 Septicemia : 34,234 From the CDC [ cdc.gov ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The flu (and pneumonia) is actually the 8th leading cause of death in the US.
The first two leading causes of death are heart disease and cancer, with more than 10x the number of deaths than the flu.
Both of these can be caused by smoking.
Heart disease: 631,636
Cancer: 559,888
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 137,119
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 124,583
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 121,599
Diabetes: 72,449
Alzheimer's disease: 72,432
Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,326
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 45,344
Septicemia: 34,234
From the CDC [cdc.gov]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30191916</id>
	<title>it's a gross issue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258882440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>not one of us has seen the machine in question, it could have been so "smoked" that it was unhygienic. not to mention that a lethal dose of nicotine is a mere 70mg. let's say they washed the machine, there might be enough nicotine on it to kill a man.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>not one of us has seen the machine in question , it could have been so " smoked " that it was unhygienic .
not to mention that a lethal dose of nicotine is a mere 70mg .
let 's say they washed the machine , there might be enough nicotine on it to kill a man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not one of us has seen the machine in question, it could have been so "smoked" that it was unhygienic.
not to mention that a lethal dose of nicotine is a mere 70mg.
let's say they washed the machine, there might be enough nicotine on it to kill a man.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184504</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258821000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>soooo...ummm....wear gloves and a simple mask when working on the damp computer. It's not a violation if you use proper PPE<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>soooo...ummm....wear gloves and a simple mask when working on the damp computer .
It 's not a violation if you use proper PPE .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>soooo...ummm....wear gloves and a simple mask when working on the damp computer.
It's not a violation if you use proper PPE ...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30192126</id>
	<title>Re:Even if in the agreement.</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1258887420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welding is also legal, but if you applied a welding torch to your PC, I'm quite certain that your manufacturer declare the warranty void.</p><p>On the other hand, threatening to kill the president is apparently illegal (at least in the US, and if it isn't, just hang in there, that's not the point). But if you sent such a mail with your computer, and later turned it in for repairs because something broke, I'm sure they wouldn't say it's not under warrenty.</p><p>So, both angles tested, we arrive at the conclusing that it has nothing whatsoever to do with the legality of whatever it is you do with or around your computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welding is also legal , but if you applied a welding torch to your PC , I 'm quite certain that your manufacturer declare the warranty void.On the other hand , threatening to kill the president is apparently illegal ( at least in the US , and if it is n't , just hang in there , that 's not the point ) .
But if you sent such a mail with your computer , and later turned it in for repairs because something broke , I 'm sure they would n't say it 's not under warrenty.So , both angles tested , we arrive at the conclusing that it has nothing whatsoever to do with the legality of whatever it is you do with or around your computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welding is also legal, but if you applied a welding torch to your PC, I'm quite certain that your manufacturer declare the warranty void.On the other hand, threatening to kill the president is apparently illegal (at least in the US, and if it isn't, just hang in there, that's not the point).
But if you sent such a mail with your computer, and later turned it in for repairs because something broke, I'm sure they wouldn't say it's not under warrenty.So, both angles tested, we arrive at the conclusing that it has nothing whatsoever to do with the legality of whatever it is you do with or around your computer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30191252</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258828920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work at an Apple authorized repair/reseller shop in WA. When we receive a heavy smokers unit 1) it stinks 2) the nicotine crystallizes on the dust/cobwebs inside the computer. These webs are nasty yellowish color and if a tech gets a bare hand in the crap, the smell sticks with you for a week.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work at an Apple authorized repair/reseller shop in WA .
When we receive a heavy smokers unit 1 ) it stinks 2 ) the nicotine crystallizes on the dust/cobwebs inside the computer .
These webs are nasty yellowish color and if a tech gets a bare hand in the crap , the smell sticks with you for a week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work at an Apple authorized repair/reseller shop in WA.
When we receive a heavy smokers unit 1) it stinks 2) the nicotine crystallizes on the dust/cobwebs inside the computer.
These webs are nasty yellowish color and if a tech gets a bare hand in the crap, the smell sticks with you for a week.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184964</id>
	<title>Re:Ridiculous</title>
	<author>toppavak</author>
	<datestamp>1258823700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its a similar situation with warrantied computers that have been vomited or urinated upon, having been to a university where all students who bought a computer received accidental damage coverage, if one of these things were to happen, Lenovo simply replaced the computer and disposed of the "contaminated" one. If Apple is making a stand on the safety of their workers they should honor the warranty and replace the computer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its a similar situation with warrantied computers that have been vomited or urinated upon , having been to a university where all students who bought a computer received accidental damage coverage , if one of these things were to happen , Lenovo simply replaced the computer and disposed of the " contaminated " one .
If Apple is making a stand on the safety of their workers they should honor the warranty and replace the computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its a similar situation with warrantied computers that have been vomited or urinated upon, having been to a university where all students who bought a computer received accidental damage coverage, if one of these things were to happen, Lenovo simply replaced the computer and disposed of the "contaminated" one.
If Apple is making a stand on the safety of their workers they should honor the warranty and replace the computer.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184428</id>
	<title>I'm a PC...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>and I get to smoke in my own house, while browsing the Internet (for porn)</htmltext>
<tokenext>and I get to smoke in my own house , while browsing the Internet ( for porn )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and I get to smoke in my own house, while browsing the Internet (for porn)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185812</id>
	<title>Think of this another way</title>
	<author>onyxruby</author>
	<datestamp>1258828380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many years ago I used to be the regional IT guy for a paper company and one of my sites was a cardboard factory. Inside the factory we had paper dust everywhere in very large quantities (it was enough of an issue to require a dedicated permanent vacuum system to suck up most of it). We also had printers (the computer were in special industrial cases with filters) on the factory floor that were exposed to large quantities of paper dust.</p><p>A brand new laser printer would be coated on the inside with dust within a week at most. We routinely bought rebuild and maintenance kits and rebuilt the printers every three months due to the heavy usage and the effects of all the paper dust. A brand new $1500 HP laser printer had to be rebuilt with a full maintenance performed after three months, something normally not done for years.</p><p>Why? All that paper dust coated everything because of the environment that the printer was put into. As a company the idea of trying to get a warranty claim with HP was considered absurd. We put the printer in an environment where it was essentially abused. The innards would be coated and if not for our maintenance schedule they would overheat and slowly bake themselves.</p><p>A situation that is really do different than the apple one. Why should Apple have to pay because someone put their computer in an abusive environment where it was physically damaged? If the customer puts a computer in an environment that physically damaged the product, denial of warranty coverage is really straight forward. That environment just happens to belong to a heavy smoker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many years ago I used to be the regional IT guy for a paper company and one of my sites was a cardboard factory .
Inside the factory we had paper dust everywhere in very large quantities ( it was enough of an issue to require a dedicated permanent vacuum system to suck up most of it ) .
We also had printers ( the computer were in special industrial cases with filters ) on the factory floor that were exposed to large quantities of paper dust.A brand new laser printer would be coated on the inside with dust within a week at most .
We routinely bought rebuild and maintenance kits and rebuilt the printers every three months due to the heavy usage and the effects of all the paper dust .
A brand new $ 1500 HP laser printer had to be rebuilt with a full maintenance performed after three months , something normally not done for years.Why ?
All that paper dust coated everything because of the environment that the printer was put into .
As a company the idea of trying to get a warranty claim with HP was considered absurd .
We put the printer in an environment where it was essentially abused .
The innards would be coated and if not for our maintenance schedule they would overheat and slowly bake themselves.A situation that is really do different than the apple one .
Why should Apple have to pay because someone put their computer in an abusive environment where it was physically damaged ?
If the customer puts a computer in an environment that physically damaged the product , denial of warranty coverage is really straight forward .
That environment just happens to belong to a heavy smoker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many years ago I used to be the regional IT guy for a paper company and one of my sites was a cardboard factory.
Inside the factory we had paper dust everywhere in very large quantities (it was enough of an issue to require a dedicated permanent vacuum system to suck up most of it).
We also had printers (the computer were in special industrial cases with filters) on the factory floor that were exposed to large quantities of paper dust.A brand new laser printer would be coated on the inside with dust within a week at most.
We routinely bought rebuild and maintenance kits and rebuilt the printers every three months due to the heavy usage and the effects of all the paper dust.
A brand new $1500 HP laser printer had to be rebuilt with a full maintenance performed after three months, something normally not done for years.Why?
All that paper dust coated everything because of the environment that the printer was put into.
As a company the idea of trying to get a warranty claim with HP was considered absurd.
We put the printer in an environment where it was essentially abused.
The innards would be coated and if not for our maintenance schedule they would overheat and slowly bake themselves.A situation that is really do different than the apple one.
Why should Apple have to pay because someone put their computer in an abusive environment where it was physically damaged?
If the customer puts a computer in an environment that physically damaged the product, denial of warranty coverage is really straight forward.
That environment just happens to belong to a heavy smoker.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188720</id>
	<title>Apple is violating OSHA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258804140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am vehemently anti-smoking, but this sure seems clear to me: if a smoke-contaminated computer constitutes a biohazard, then it is Apple's responsibility to protect its workers, not the consumer's responsibility. Apple knew the job was dangerous when they took it! Encountering smoke-contaminated computers is all in a day's work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am vehemently anti-smoking , but this sure seems clear to me : if a smoke-contaminated computer constitutes a biohazard , then it is Apple 's responsibility to protect its workers , not the consumer 's responsibility .
Apple knew the job was dangerous when they took it !
Encountering smoke-contaminated computers is all in a day 's work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am vehemently anti-smoking, but this sure seems clear to me: if a smoke-contaminated computer constitutes a biohazard, then it is Apple's responsibility to protect its workers, not the consumer's responsibility.
Apple knew the job was dangerous when they took it!
Encountering smoke-contaminated computers is all in a day's work.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30192940</id>
	<title>Two, count them, two</title>
	<author>jericho9</author>
	<datestamp>1258901400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Consumerist article cites exactly two instances in which an Apple Store claimed that the warranty was voided by second-hand smoke: in April 2008 and "a few months later" (no date given). It doesn't exactly seem to be a major or ongoing problem with Apple's policies on repairs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Consumerist article cites exactly two instances in which an Apple Store claimed that the warranty was voided by second-hand smoke : in April 2008 and " a few months later " ( no date given ) .
It does n't exactly seem to be a major or ongoing problem with Apple 's policies on repairs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Consumerist article cites exactly two instances in which an Apple Store claimed that the warranty was voided by second-hand smoke: in April 2008 and "a few months later" (no date given).
It doesn't exactly seem to be a major or ongoing problem with Apple's policies on repairs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30188494</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe get some facts straight?</title>
	<author>localman</author>
	<datestamp>1258802520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've done SOX compliance work and it is completely ridiculous to claim that as the reason for the upgrade charge.  There are plenty of ways that it could have been accounted for properly.  SOX is about having confidence that the numbers presented haven't been fabricated or tampered with.  It has nothing to do with the business decisions themselves.</p><p>Ignoramuses not letting go indeed.</p><p>If Apple wanted to charge for it, that's their prerogative.  Blaming it on SOX was a weasel move.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've done SOX compliance work and it is completely ridiculous to claim that as the reason for the upgrade charge .
There are plenty of ways that it could have been accounted for properly .
SOX is about having confidence that the numbers presented have n't been fabricated or tampered with .
It has nothing to do with the business decisions themselves.Ignoramuses not letting go indeed.If Apple wanted to charge for it , that 's their prerogative .
Blaming it on SOX was a weasel move .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've done SOX compliance work and it is completely ridiculous to claim that as the reason for the upgrade charge.
There are plenty of ways that it could have been accounted for properly.
SOX is about having confidence that the numbers presented haven't been fabricated or tampered with.
It has nothing to do with the business decisions themselves.Ignoramuses not letting go indeed.If Apple wanted to charge for it, that's their prerogative.
Blaming it on SOX was a weasel move.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30205462</id>
	<title>Re:So is beer</title>
	<author>hmar</author>
	<datestamp>1258968120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Gateway does, or at least has for me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gateway does , or at least has for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gateway does, or at least has for me.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186378</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258832100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2nd hand smoke contains "bacteria and pathogens"?!!! Link please.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2nd hand smoke contains " bacteria and pathogens " ? ! ! !
Link please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2nd hand smoke contains "bacteria and pathogens"?!!!
Link please.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184656</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186106</id>
	<title>Re:Surgeon General's Warning</title>
	<author>MartinSchou</author>
	<datestamp>1258830360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>particularly second-hand smoke which contains a Noah's Ark of nasty bacteria and pathogens</p></div></blockquote><p>And which nasty bacteria, exactly, are in second hand smoke, that aren't in second hand breathing?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>particularly second-hand smoke which contains a Noah 's Ark of nasty bacteria and pathogensAnd which nasty bacteria , exactly , are in second hand smoke , that are n't in second hand breathing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>particularly second-hand smoke which contains a Noah's Ark of nasty bacteria and pathogensAnd which nasty bacteria, exactly, are in second hand smoke, that aren't in second hand breathing?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30184656</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30186248</id>
	<title>And that...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258831380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is whyyyyy I am a PC.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Where is your OS X now? Muhahahahaha...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is whyyyyy I am a PC .
: ) Where is your OS X now ?
Muhahahahaha.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is whyyyyy I am a PC.
:)Where is your OS X now?
Muhahahahaha...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_147253.30185000</id>
	<title>Re:As a nonsmoking apple fan</title>
	<author>\_LORAX\_</author>
	<datestamp>1258823880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed this is a nebulous and arbitrary change to an existing contract.  It very well may have been "user damage" but Apple was using a crappy BS excuses like OSHA and biohazard.</p><p>I have seen this herd mentality before in stores when I was turned down for dust in my LCD panel of my MBP because of it's *obviously* environmental.  I asked several time because this was a pre-unibody model.  The LCD is factory sealed and the techs and managers agreed that that was true, but still insisted that it was user damage.  The unit was in otherwise pristine condition.</p><p>So I don't trust everything Apple has to say about warranty work.  I plan on using a 3rd party Apple repair center in the future since they are more than happy to do the work and bill Apple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed this is a nebulous and arbitrary change to an existing contract .
It very well may have been " user damage " but Apple was using a crappy BS excuses like OSHA and biohazard.I have seen this herd mentality before in stores when I was turned down for dust in my LCD panel of my MBP because of it 's * obviously * environmental .
I asked several time because this was a pre-unibody model .
The LCD is factory sealed and the techs and managers agreed that that was true , but still insisted that it was user damage .
The unit was in otherwise pristine condition.So I do n't trust everything Apple has to say about warranty work .
I plan on using a 3rd party Apple repair center in the future since they are more than happy to do the work and bill Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed this is a nebulous and arbitrary change to an existing contract.
It very well may have been "user damage" but Apple was using a crappy BS excuses like OSHA and biohazard.I have seen this herd mentality before in stores when I was turned down for dust in my LCD panel of my MBP because of it's *obviously* environmental.
I asked several time because this was a pre-unibody model.
The LCD is factory sealed and the techs and managers agreed that that was true, but still insisted that it was user damage.
The unit was in otherwise pristine condition.So I don't trust everything Apple has to say about warranty work.
I plan on using a 3rd party Apple repair center in the future since they are more than happy to do the work and bill Apple.</sentencetext>
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