<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_21_1234231</id>
	<title>Pittsburgh To Tax Students</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1258812840000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>societyofrobots writes <i>"Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl has proposed <a href="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s\_652422.html">taxing college and professional students</a> for the privilege of receiving an education in the city. The proposed tax will charge students in the city at a rate of 1\% of their yearly tuition &mdash; which, at Carnegie Mellon, <a href="http://www.cmu.edu/alumni/images/sgovttaxemail.pdf">would mean roughly a $400 tax</a> (PDF) on most students. As the tax proposal hit local media outlets this week, the mayor repeatedly emphasized the burden that college students have placed on city services, and <a href="http://www.pittnews.com/article/2009/11/19/mayor-admits-certain-amount-unfairness-student-tax-proposal">the need for students to pay their 'fair share.'</a>"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>societyofrobots writes " Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl has proposed taxing college and professional students for the privilege of receiving an education in the city .
The proposed tax will charge students in the city at a rate of 1 \ % of their yearly tuition    which , at Carnegie Mellon , would mean roughly a $ 400 tax ( PDF ) on most students .
As the tax proposal hit local media outlets this week , the mayor repeatedly emphasized the burden that college students have placed on city services , and the need for students to pay their 'fair share .
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<sentencetext>societyofrobots writes "Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl has proposed taxing college and professional students for the privilege of receiving an education in the city.
The proposed tax will charge students in the city at a rate of 1\% of their yearly tuition — which, at Carnegie Mellon, would mean roughly a $400 tax (PDF) on most students.
As the tax proposal hit local media outlets this week, the mayor repeatedly emphasized the burden that college students have placed on city services, and the need for students to pay their 'fair share.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184312</id>
	<title>Re:pay their 'fair share.'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258819680000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pittsburgh has that already. We live just outside of the city, but my wife works in the city; so logically we pay a yearly tax directly to the city because she works there and doesn't live there....  Good times.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pittsburgh has that already .
We live just outside of the city , but my wife works in the city ; so logically we pay a yearly tax directly to the city because she works there and does n't live there.... Good times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pittsburgh has that already.
We live just outside of the city, but my wife works in the city; so logically we pay a yearly tax directly to the city because she works there and doesn't live there....  Good times.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30186714</id>
	<title>Re:I'm no master politician but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258834020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Again, getting the local populace paying the tab.  I've worked in blue collar jobs, and also went to university.  Blue collar workers drink, a lot.  University students can't afford to.  They neither have the time, nor the money.  I know when I went to university, you could manage 1 Friday night every two months (or so) to take off for fun.  Otherwise time and money (food or beer, take your pick) were in too short a supply to go out.  I don't know where the stereotype came from, but I paid my way through university (parents couldn't afford it, and we both agreed that I was the one getting the education, so I should pay for it).  They helped when the crappy summer jobs didn't pay enough for food/rent for the year, and student loans picked up tuition (I only owed about $31,000. when I was done, but I paid it back with interest in about 2 years).  Maybe its just the place I stayed or the room mates I had, but I remember I was up studying about 2:00 am on a Wednesday, thinking I was the only one up in the house (very quiet).  I went down to the kitchen for a glass of milk and was surprised to find a housemate studying in the kitchen.  At the same time, another housemate came up from downstairs to find the two of us in the kitchen.  None of us thought the others were still working or that anyone else was up at that time.  We all had a lot of work/study to do.  There was no time to goof off, and certainly no money.  The one in the kitchen was studying Education, the one from the basement was studying  Kinesiology, and I was studying Computer Science.  We all finished our degrees within 2 years of that late nite meeting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Again , getting the local populace paying the tab .
I 've worked in blue collar jobs , and also went to university .
Blue collar workers drink , a lot .
University students ca n't afford to .
They neither have the time , nor the money .
I know when I went to university , you could manage 1 Friday night every two months ( or so ) to take off for fun .
Otherwise time and money ( food or beer , take your pick ) were in too short a supply to go out .
I do n't know where the stereotype came from , but I paid my way through university ( parents could n't afford it , and we both agreed that I was the one getting the education , so I should pay for it ) .
They helped when the crappy summer jobs did n't pay enough for food/rent for the year , and student loans picked up tuition ( I only owed about $ 31,000 .
when I was done , but I paid it back with interest in about 2 years ) .
Maybe its just the place I stayed or the room mates I had , but I remember I was up studying about 2 : 00 am on a Wednesday , thinking I was the only one up in the house ( very quiet ) .
I went down to the kitchen for a glass of milk and was surprised to find a housemate studying in the kitchen .
At the same time , another housemate came up from downstairs to find the two of us in the kitchen .
None of us thought the others were still working or that anyone else was up at that time .
We all had a lot of work/study to do .
There was no time to goof off , and certainly no money .
The one in the kitchen was studying Education , the one from the basement was studying Kinesiology , and I was studying Computer Science .
We all finished our degrees within 2 years of that late nite meeting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Again, getting the local populace paying the tab.
I've worked in blue collar jobs, and also went to university.
Blue collar workers drink, a lot.
University students can't afford to.
They neither have the time, nor the money.
I know when I went to university, you could manage 1 Friday night every two months (or so) to take off for fun.
Otherwise time and money (food or beer, take your pick) were in too short a supply to go out.
I don't know where the stereotype came from, but I paid my way through university (parents couldn't afford it, and we both agreed that I was the one getting the education, so I should pay for it).
They helped when the crappy summer jobs didn't pay enough for food/rent for the year, and student loans picked up tuition (I only owed about $31,000.
when I was done, but I paid it back with interest in about 2 years).
Maybe its just the place I stayed or the room mates I had, but I remember I was up studying about 2:00 am on a Wednesday, thinking I was the only one up in the house (very quiet).
I went down to the kitchen for a glass of milk and was surprised to find a housemate studying in the kitchen.
At the same time, another housemate came up from downstairs to find the two of us in the kitchen.
None of us thought the others were still working or that anyone else was up at that time.
We all had a lot of work/study to do.
There was no time to goof off, and certainly no money.
The one in the kitchen was studying Education, the one from the basement was studying  Kinesiology, and I was studying Computer Science.
We all finished our degrees within 2 years of that late nite meeting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184130</id>
	<title>pay as you go</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258818000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They should just keep a tab for these alleged city services they provide and then bill the university at the end of the year. I have a feeling this would be something CMU wouldn't care about, but would bankrupt UPitt. The Pittsburgh police dept has to break up partying and deal with vandalism on a daily basis as UPitt. CMU's only charge would be the hazardous waste team having to come out once a year because of something some geek did in the Chemistry lab.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They should just keep a tab for these alleged city services they provide and then bill the university at the end of the year .
I have a feeling this would be something CMU would n't care about , but would bankrupt UPitt .
The Pittsburgh police dept has to break up partying and deal with vandalism on a daily basis as UPitt .
CMU 's only charge would be the hazardous waste team having to come out once a year because of something some geek did in the Chemistry lab .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should just keep a tab for these alleged city services they provide and then bill the university at the end of the year.
I have a feeling this would be something CMU wouldn't care about, but would bankrupt UPitt.
The Pittsburgh police dept has to break up partying and deal with vandalism on a daily basis as UPitt.
CMU's only charge would be the hazardous waste team having to come out once a year because of something some geek did in the Chemistry lab.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30188218</id>
	<title>Bad Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258800720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pissing off students, a group more likely than any other to agitate politically is such a smart idea.  I mean it's not as though student groups have done sit ins and other forms of civil disobedience for less.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pissing off students , a group more likely than any other to agitate politically is such a smart idea .
I mean it 's not as though student groups have done sit ins and other forms of civil disobedience for less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pissing off students, a group more likely than any other to agitate politically is such a smart idea.
I mean it's not as though student groups have done sit ins and other forms of civil disobedience for less.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30195326</id>
	<title>Doesn't hold a candle to UC Santa Cruz</title>
	<author>ImNotAtWork</author>
	<datestamp>1258920000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://trueslant.com/laurieessig/2009/11/22/lessons-from-the-uc-student-protests/" title="trueslant.com">http://trueslant.com/laurieessig/2009/11/22/lessons-from-the-uc-student-protests/</a> [trueslant.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //trueslant.com/laurieessig/2009/11/22/lessons-from-the-uc-student-protests/ [ trueslant.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://trueslant.com/laurieessig/2009/11/22/lessons-from-the-uc-student-protests/ [trueslant.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184500</id>
	<title>Re:pay their 'fair share.'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258821000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They already do shithead Mayor.  Students pay:</p><p>- property tax (included in the school's tuition and the dorm room rental fees)<br>- sales tax (by buying local products)<br>- gas tax or road tolls (when they drive around)</p><p>This story reminds me of Baltimore City Council, which keeps trying to tax neighboring counties on the theory that suburban folks work in the city, or visit the Raven stadium, but don't pay taxes.  (Except that they do - via state income tax and sales tax and providing income to stadium/restaurant/other inner city workers.)  Same stupid first-order level of thinking.  These politicians need to dig deeper.</p></div><p>The universities are tax exempt and that is that major problem.  All the land and buildings are property tax exempt.  The universities also own a ton of housing that are not dorms.  They pay $0 property tax on those.</p><p>Sales tax - OK, I'll give you that.  Remember, the city is taxing them, not the state or the county.  Our sales tax goes to them and not the city.  Grated a portion of the tax ends up there.</p><p>Road tolls - Those tolls go to support existing Turnpike roads or financing new ones.  Let's not get into the whole Mon-Fayette Expressway money pit.  Those road tolls do nothing for the city roads.</p><p>Gas tax - All university students can ride public transportation for free.  That is included in their existing tuition.  Granted they pay for it.  Don't even get me started on the bloated Port Authority who runs mass transit.</p><p>Pittsburgh problems is that they have a ton of legacy costs due to pensions that they can not get out from under.</p></div>
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<tokenext>They already do shithead Mayor .
Students pay : - property tax ( included in the school 's tuition and the dorm room rental fees ) - sales tax ( by buying local products ) - gas tax or road tolls ( when they drive around ) This story reminds me of Baltimore City Council , which keeps trying to tax neighboring counties on the theory that suburban folks work in the city , or visit the Raven stadium , but do n't pay taxes .
( Except that they do - via state income tax and sales tax and providing income to stadium/restaurant/other inner city workers .
) Same stupid first-order level of thinking .
These politicians need to dig deeper.The universities are tax exempt and that is that major problem .
All the land and buildings are property tax exempt .
The universities also own a ton of housing that are not dorms .
They pay $ 0 property tax on those.Sales tax - OK , I 'll give you that .
Remember , the city is taxing them , not the state or the county .
Our sales tax goes to them and not the city .
Grated a portion of the tax ends up there.Road tolls - Those tolls go to support existing Turnpike roads or financing new ones .
Let 's not get into the whole Mon-Fayette Expressway money pit .
Those road tolls do nothing for the city roads.Gas tax - All university students can ride public transportation for free .
That is included in their existing tuition .
Granted they pay for it .
Do n't even get me started on the bloated Port Authority who runs mass transit.Pittsburgh problems is that they have a ton of legacy costs due to pensions that they can not get out from under .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They already do shithead Mayor.
Students pay:- property tax (included in the school's tuition and the dorm room rental fees)- sales tax (by buying local products)- gas tax or road tolls (when they drive around)This story reminds me of Baltimore City Council, which keeps trying to tax neighboring counties on the theory that suburban folks work in the city, or visit the Raven stadium, but don't pay taxes.
(Except that they do - via state income tax and sales tax and providing income to stadium/restaurant/other inner city workers.
)  Same stupid first-order level of thinking.
These politicians need to dig deeper.The universities are tax exempt and that is that major problem.
All the land and buildings are property tax exempt.
The universities also own a ton of housing that are not dorms.
They pay $0 property tax on those.Sales tax - OK, I'll give you that.
Remember, the city is taxing them, not the state or the county.
Our sales tax goes to them and not the city.
Grated a portion of the tax ends up there.Road tolls - Those tolls go to support existing Turnpike roads or financing new ones.
Let's not get into the whole Mon-Fayette Expressway money pit.
Those road tolls do nothing for the city roads.Gas tax - All university students can ride public transportation for free.
That is included in their existing tuition.
Granted they pay for it.
Don't even get me started on the bloated Port Authority who runs mass transit.Pittsburgh problems is that they have a ton of legacy costs due to pensions that they can not get out from under.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30186448</id>
	<title>Re:I'm no master politician but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258832580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering I've heard Pittsburgh described multiple times as "A drinking town with a football problem", I presume a great many non-student residents would complain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering I 've heard Pittsburgh described multiple times as " A drinking town with a football problem " , I presume a great many non-student residents would complain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering I've heard Pittsburgh described multiple times as "A drinking town with a football problem", I presume a great many non-student residents would complain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185904</id>
	<title>Re:pay their 'fair share.'</title>
	<author>Corporate Drone</author>
	<datestamp>1258828980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Need to mod down parent -- this isn't insightful.</p><p>Property tax is one of the big reasons that the City is going after the universities, because as it stands, they're exempt.  That means no "inclusion in school tuition and dorm fees".</p><p>Gas tax?  You've never been to the University of Pittsburgh, have you?  It's an urban campus -- there's not enough parking for commuters, let alone student residents!</p><p>Road tolls?  Nope on that one, either -- the nearest toll roads to campus are easily a half-hour away, and don't figure into the equation of resident-student travel.</p><p>Sales tax? Yeah, but that's not what the City is trying to target here.  They recognize that sales taxes are coming in, and what they're attempting to do here is fill the void in the rest of the tax burden, by grabbing from students what they cannot grab from universities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Need to mod down parent -- this is n't insightful.Property tax is one of the big reasons that the City is going after the universities , because as it stands , they 're exempt .
That means no " inclusion in school tuition and dorm fees " .Gas tax ?
You 've never been to the University of Pittsburgh , have you ?
It 's an urban campus -- there 's not enough parking for commuters , let alone student residents ! Road tolls ?
Nope on that one , either -- the nearest toll roads to campus are easily a half-hour away , and do n't figure into the equation of resident-student travel.Sales tax ?
Yeah , but that 's not what the City is trying to target here .
They recognize that sales taxes are coming in , and what they 're attempting to do here is fill the void in the rest of the tax burden , by grabbing from students what they can not grab from universities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Need to mod down parent -- this isn't insightful.Property tax is one of the big reasons that the City is going after the universities, because as it stands, they're exempt.
That means no "inclusion in school tuition and dorm fees".Gas tax?
You've never been to the University of Pittsburgh, have you?
It's an urban campus -- there's not enough parking for commuters, let alone student residents!Road tolls?
Nope on that one, either -- the nearest toll roads to campus are easily a half-hour away, and don't figure into the equation of resident-student travel.Sales tax?
Yeah, but that's not what the City is trying to target here.
They recognize that sales taxes are coming in, and what they're attempting to do here is fill the void in the rest of the tax burden, by grabbing from students what they cannot grab from universities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183942</id>
	<title>dumb idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258816500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a way to dumb down the city.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a way to dumb down the city .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a way to dumb down the city.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183978</id>
	<title>I'm no master politician but...</title>
	<author>PingSpike</author>
	<datestamp>1258816800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...wouldn't just raising the booze tax accomplish the same thing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...would n't just raising the booze tax accomplish the same thing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...wouldn't just raising the booze tax accomplish the same thing?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184706</id>
	<title>Re:I'm no master politician but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258822140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The county beat him to it...</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegheny\_County\_Alcoholic\_Beverage\_Tax</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The county beat him to it...http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegheny \ _County \ _Alcoholic \ _Beverage \ _Tax</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The county beat him to it...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegheny\_County\_Alcoholic\_Beverage\_Tax</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30188710</id>
	<title>Re:Churches</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258804080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you might as well pass an Air Tax for being alive and breathing.</p><p>churches provide no services, no goods, no essential economic transaction takes place. they run solely off donations made voluntarily by their members.</p><p>so what would you tax? the weekly dollar donation that not every family makes (not person but family) in the basket once a week? the money that then goes to run soup kitchens etc? there's a reason churches are afforded (indeed are teh background of) Non Profit Organization status. Even as it is many have trouble making basic payments to continue existence (power bills etc).</p><p>So ya, go ahead tax the man with no money out of existence. that afterall is your ultimate goal is it not? I'd make a bet, and probably win, that you qualify as not simply an atheist but one who would forcefully "convert" everyone to your beliefs...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...irony much?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you might as well pass an Air Tax for being alive and breathing.churches provide no services , no goods , no essential economic transaction takes place .
they run solely off donations made voluntarily by their members.so what would you tax ?
the weekly dollar donation that not every family makes ( not person but family ) in the basket once a week ?
the money that then goes to run soup kitchens etc ?
there 's a reason churches are afforded ( indeed are teh background of ) Non Profit Organization status .
Even as it is many have trouble making basic payments to continue existence ( power bills etc ) .So ya , go ahead tax the man with no money out of existence .
that afterall is your ultimate goal is it not ?
I 'd make a bet , and probably win , that you qualify as not simply an atheist but one who would forcefully " convert " everyone to your beliefs... ...irony much ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you might as well pass an Air Tax for being alive and breathing.churches provide no services, no goods, no essential economic transaction takes place.
they run solely off donations made voluntarily by their members.so what would you tax?
the weekly dollar donation that not every family makes (not person but family) in the basket once a week?
the money that then goes to run soup kitchens etc?
there's a reason churches are afforded (indeed are teh background of) Non Profit Organization status.
Even as it is many have trouble making basic payments to continue existence (power bills etc).So ya, go ahead tax the man with no money out of existence.
that afterall is your ultimate goal is it not?
I'd make a bet, and probably win, that you qualify as not simply an atheist but one who would forcefully "convert" everyone to your beliefs... ...irony much?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183952</id>
	<title>Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258816620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>While it's true that the students don't pay regular taxes like other residents, what about the fact that they bring a huge amount of disposable income and spend it in the city? The money goes to the local businesses, who in turn pay taxes on their revenue. Seems fair enough to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While it 's true that the students do n't pay regular taxes like other residents , what about the fact that they bring a huge amount of disposable income and spend it in the city ?
The money goes to the local businesses , who in turn pay taxes on their revenue .
Seems fair enough to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While it's true that the students don't pay regular taxes like other residents, what about the fact that they bring a huge amount of disposable income and spend it in the city?
The money goes to the local businesses, who in turn pay taxes on their revenue.
Seems fair enough to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30189044</id>
	<title>Pittsburgh really hates its students!</title>
	<author>flajann</author>
	<datestamp>1258806120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't get it with Pittsburgh. First, they tear-gas and pepper-spray their students (http://pittsburghpolice.net/category/dorms/), and now they want to tax them to death.<p>

The "fair share" argument is a wash. Those students have been attending CMU and Pittsburgh University for decades, and only now they thought of taxing them?</p><p>

Plus, Pittsburgh has not learned the stern lessons of history. Raising taxes during an economic downturn is always a bad thing to do.</p><p>

I suppose Pittsburgh overran its budget with the "goon squad" it hired to mistreat the students during G20, and now it needs to find a way to pay for it. Gas'em, Mace'em, Tax'em. The Pittsburgh Way.
</p><p>

Besides, if the students are buying goods and services in the city, they are already paying their "fair share" in taxes. This is just plain stupid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get it with Pittsburgh .
First , they tear-gas and pepper-spray their students ( http : //pittsburghpolice.net/category/dorms/ ) , and now they want to tax them to death .
The " fair share " argument is a wash. Those students have been attending CMU and Pittsburgh University for decades , and only now they thought of taxing them ?
Plus , Pittsburgh has not learned the stern lessons of history .
Raising taxes during an economic downturn is always a bad thing to do .
I suppose Pittsburgh overran its budget with the " goon squad " it hired to mistreat the students during G20 , and now it needs to find a way to pay for it .
Gas'em , Mace'em , Tax'em .
The Pittsburgh Way .
Besides , if the students are buying goods and services in the city , they are already paying their " fair share " in taxes .
This is just plain stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get it with Pittsburgh.
First, they tear-gas and pepper-spray their students (http://pittsburghpolice.net/category/dorms/), and now they want to tax them to death.
The "fair share" argument is a wash. Those students have been attending CMU and Pittsburgh University for decades, and only now they thought of taxing them?
Plus, Pittsburgh has not learned the stern lessons of history.
Raising taxes during an economic downturn is always a bad thing to do.
I suppose Pittsburgh overran its budget with the "goon squad" it hired to mistreat the students during G20, and now it needs to find a way to pay for it.
Gas'em, Mace'em, Tax'em.
The Pittsburgh Way.
Besides, if the students are buying goods and services in the city, they are already paying their "fair share" in taxes.
This is just plain stupid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184198</id>
	<title>There are easier ways to tax students!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258818600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In our university town there are already taxes in place which are aimed at students without directly naming them as the objects of the laws.  Restaurant taxes, Alcohol taxes, Property taxes on rental units, Parking law enforcement strategically biased to certain areas, etc.  The Mayor in question really isn't too bright if he's being so direct.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In our university town there are already taxes in place which are aimed at students without directly naming them as the objects of the laws .
Restaurant taxes , Alcohol taxes , Property taxes on rental units , Parking law enforcement strategically biased to certain areas , etc .
The Mayor in question really is n't too bright if he 's being so direct .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In our university town there are already taxes in place which are aimed at students without directly naming them as the objects of the laws.
Restaurant taxes, Alcohol taxes, Property taxes on rental units, Parking law enforcement strategically biased to certain areas, etc.
The Mayor in question really isn't too bright if he's being so direct.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184264</id>
	<title>Re:pay their 'fair share.'</title>
	<author>arkenian</author>
	<datestamp>1258819200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sir, you are forgetting one very important point: of those three things, only the property tax usually goes to the city.

And, in fact, the students often do NOT pay that.  Universities are non profits, and in may states, non-profits don't pay property taxes.  He at least has some measure of a valid complaint here.   I would say, though, that for most cities, universities raise property values, so its not entirely valid.  Plus while many students live in the dorms, in any university of significant size in a major city like pittsburgh, many do not as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sir , you are forgetting one very important point : of those three things , only the property tax usually goes to the city .
And , in fact , the students often do NOT pay that .
Universities are non profits , and in may states , non-profits do n't pay property taxes .
He at least has some measure of a valid complaint here .
I would say , though , that for most cities , universities raise property values , so its not entirely valid .
Plus while many students live in the dorms , in any university of significant size in a major city like pittsburgh , many do not as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sir, you are forgetting one very important point: of those three things, only the property tax usually goes to the city.
And, in fact, the students often do NOT pay that.
Universities are non profits, and in may states, non-profits don't pay property taxes.
He at least has some measure of a valid complaint here.
I would say, though, that for most cities, universities raise property values, so its not entirely valid.
Plus while many students live in the dorms, in any university of significant size in a major city like pittsburgh, many do not as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185278</id>
	<title>Social Inequality in Action</title>
	<author>chaynlynk</author>
	<datestamp>1258825320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>What about the 40 year old guy who works full time and goes to classes in the evening? Is he not paying his fair share by being an otherwise typical citizen of Pittsburgh? I see quite a few people that fit the scenario where I go, which has only increased due to the economy. So the county sheriff that wants a justice degree to get a pay raise has to pay the city an extra $400 to do so? What about the single mom that barely has time to go to school between raising a kid and working two jobs? She's now paying her fair share?

This is social inequality in action.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about the 40 year old guy who works full time and goes to classes in the evening ?
Is he not paying his fair share by being an otherwise typical citizen of Pittsburgh ?
I see quite a few people that fit the scenario where I go , which has only increased due to the economy .
So the county sheriff that wants a justice degree to get a pay raise has to pay the city an extra $ 400 to do so ?
What about the single mom that barely has time to go to school between raising a kid and working two jobs ?
She 's now paying her fair share ?
This is social inequality in action .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about the 40 year old guy who works full time and goes to classes in the evening?
Is he not paying his fair share by being an otherwise typical citizen of Pittsburgh?
I see quite a few people that fit the scenario where I go, which has only increased due to the economy.
So the county sheriff that wants a justice degree to get a pay raise has to pay the city an extra $400 to do so?
What about the single mom that barely has time to go to school between raising a kid and working two jobs?
She's now paying her fair share?
This is social inequality in action.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184288</id>
	<title>Re:Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258819380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The universities are tax exempt charity institutions. Both CMU and UPitt along with a bunch of smaller colleges like Chatham occupy lots of space and valuable real estate and are exempted from taxes. They consume lots and lots city services during their games and their use of public spaces for their protests and cultural events and such like. Back when Pittsburgh had lots of corporate HQ and steel mills paying taxes, the additional services did not pose a significant burden on the city. <p>

Pittsburgh's economy was never a single industry town like Detroit. It had steel of course, but it also had coal, glass, paint, textiles, Heinz and railroads. But over the last three decades it lost almost all of them. Now the city infrastructure is crumbling. The univs had some prior agreements to "voluntarily" pay money to the city despite their tax exempt status, because the univs knew the kind of burden they are placing on the city. Right now there is bickering about negotiating the amount for the next five years are so. So all these things are grand standing by different parties to stake out their negotiating positions. </p><p>

The city is just acting stupidly by threatening to tax the students and tuition fees. It should simply reduce police and fire services to the univ neighbourhoods and ask the univs to hire private security for protection and refuse to maintain things like synchronized traffic lights and traffic by pass and other such things. Also it should charge market rates for their sewer connections, water supplies and use of public spaces for utilities. The univs will come back begging to give up their tax exempt status and agree to pay real estate taxes like all other residents and businesses are paying. In fact if their tax exempt status is revoked, almost all the businesses and private property owners will see a big reduction in their tax bills. </p><p>

Blame the greedy CMU that charges 48000$ a year from their students, sits on billion dollars worth of prime real estate and refuses to bear its fair share of the cost of providing civic services passing the burden on the shrinking tax base.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The universities are tax exempt charity institutions .
Both CMU and UPitt along with a bunch of smaller colleges like Chatham occupy lots of space and valuable real estate and are exempted from taxes .
They consume lots and lots city services during their games and their use of public spaces for their protests and cultural events and such like .
Back when Pittsburgh had lots of corporate HQ and steel mills paying taxes , the additional services did not pose a significant burden on the city .
Pittsburgh 's economy was never a single industry town like Detroit .
It had steel of course , but it also had coal , glass , paint , textiles , Heinz and railroads .
But over the last three decades it lost almost all of them .
Now the city infrastructure is crumbling .
The univs had some prior agreements to " voluntarily " pay money to the city despite their tax exempt status , because the univs knew the kind of burden they are placing on the city .
Right now there is bickering about negotiating the amount for the next five years are so .
So all these things are grand standing by different parties to stake out their negotiating positions .
The city is just acting stupidly by threatening to tax the students and tuition fees .
It should simply reduce police and fire services to the univ neighbourhoods and ask the univs to hire private security for protection and refuse to maintain things like synchronized traffic lights and traffic by pass and other such things .
Also it should charge market rates for their sewer connections , water supplies and use of public spaces for utilities .
The univs will come back begging to give up their tax exempt status and agree to pay real estate taxes like all other residents and businesses are paying .
In fact if their tax exempt status is revoked , almost all the businesses and private property owners will see a big reduction in their tax bills .
Blame the greedy CMU that charges 48000 $ a year from their students , sits on billion dollars worth of prime real estate and refuses to bear its fair share of the cost of providing civic services passing the burden on the shrinking tax base .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The universities are tax exempt charity institutions.
Both CMU and UPitt along with a bunch of smaller colleges like Chatham occupy lots of space and valuable real estate and are exempted from taxes.
They consume lots and lots city services during their games and their use of public spaces for their protests and cultural events and such like.
Back when Pittsburgh had lots of corporate HQ and steel mills paying taxes, the additional services did not pose a significant burden on the city.
Pittsburgh's economy was never a single industry town like Detroit.
It had steel of course, but it also had coal, glass, paint, textiles, Heinz and railroads.
But over the last three decades it lost almost all of them.
Now the city infrastructure is crumbling.
The univs had some prior agreements to "voluntarily" pay money to the city despite their tax exempt status, because the univs knew the kind of burden they are placing on the city.
Right now there is bickering about negotiating the amount for the next five years are so.
So all these things are grand standing by different parties to stake out their negotiating positions.
The city is just acting stupidly by threatening to tax the students and tuition fees.
It should simply reduce police and fire services to the univ neighbourhoods and ask the univs to hire private security for protection and refuse to maintain things like synchronized traffic lights and traffic by pass and other such things.
Also it should charge market rates for their sewer connections, water supplies and use of public spaces for utilities.
The univs will come back begging to give up their tax exempt status and agree to pay real estate taxes like all other residents and businesses are paying.
In fact if their tax exempt status is revoked, almost all the businesses and private property owners will see a big reduction in their tax bills.
Blame the greedy CMU that charges 48000$ a year from their students, sits on billion dollars worth of prime real estate and refuses to bear its fair share of the cost of providing civic services passing the burden on the shrinking tax base.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30188438</id>
	<title>Re:Short Sighted</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258802160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>If we want to focus on "fair" then homeowners with children who don't go to public school need to be except from public school related taxes.</i> <br> <br>Great, I'll keep my kids out of school and pocket the money, then, when they hit 18, I'll kick them out and they'll end up in the prison system or something and then they'll be your problem for a whole lot more than if you'd just educated them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If we want to focus on " fair " then homeowners with children who do n't go to public school need to be except from public school related taxes .
Great , I 'll keep my kids out of school and pocket the money , then , when they hit 18 , I 'll kick them out and they 'll end up in the prison system or something and then they 'll be your problem for a whole lot more than if you 'd just educated them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we want to focus on "fair" then homeowners with children who don't go to public school need to be except from public school related taxes.
Great, I'll keep my kids out of school and pocket the money, then, when they hit 18, I'll kick them out and they'll end up in the prison system or something and then they'll be your problem for a whole lot more than if you'd just educated them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185288</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong!</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1258825380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Students bring tons of money into an area.</p></div></blockquote><p>[Citation Needed]<br>
&nbsp; <br>Seriously, college students aren't exactly known for being wealthy and/or having significant amounts of disposable income.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Students bring tons of money into an area .
[ Citation Needed ]   Seriously , college students are n't exactly known for being wealthy and/or having significant amounts of disposable income .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Students bring tons of money into an area.
[Citation Needed]
  Seriously, college students aren't exactly known for being wealthy and/or having significant amounts of disposable income.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185298</id>
	<title>Re:The whole story...</title>
	<author>Weezul</author>
	<datestamp>1258825440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fine, but I'd still hope the non-profits play hardball and the city loses money in the long run.  Pittsburgh's institutions are not nearly so well endowed as Boston's.  If they pass the law, institutions like MIT &amp; Harvard will take an interest in the court case.  I'd expect that eventually the courts will decide that taxing the users of the services of non-profits is unconstitutional.</p><p>Anyway, Pittsburgh has no reason for existing without those non-profit institutions. I assume the city has just failed to capitalize upon their presence, possibly by not offering tax havens to university incubated start ups, etc.  Otoh, this move will embitter the student population, encouraging more to depart Pittsburgh upon graduation.</p><p>In fact, all local governments have extremely over bloated budgets from the bubble, that extra money largely flowed into non-essential government spending, but local governments usually threaten to cut essential spending over non-essential, just as an excuse to raise taxes.  I'd think the cleanest solution is capping the city budget at existing levels, open classify all departments as essential vs. non-essential, and say that all cuts must effect non-essential twice as much as essential.  All these universities instituting tuition hikes should institute similar approaches to cutting costs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fine , but I 'd still hope the non-profits play hardball and the city loses money in the long run .
Pittsburgh 's institutions are not nearly so well endowed as Boston 's .
If they pass the law , institutions like MIT &amp; Harvard will take an interest in the court case .
I 'd expect that eventually the courts will decide that taxing the users of the services of non-profits is unconstitutional.Anyway , Pittsburgh has no reason for existing without those non-profit institutions .
I assume the city has just failed to capitalize upon their presence , possibly by not offering tax havens to university incubated start ups , etc .
Otoh , this move will embitter the student population , encouraging more to depart Pittsburgh upon graduation.In fact , all local governments have extremely over bloated budgets from the bubble , that extra money largely flowed into non-essential government spending , but local governments usually threaten to cut essential spending over non-essential , just as an excuse to raise taxes .
I 'd think the cleanest solution is capping the city budget at existing levels , open classify all departments as essential vs. non-essential , and say that all cuts must effect non-essential twice as much as essential .
All these universities instituting tuition hikes should institute similar approaches to cutting costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fine, but I'd still hope the non-profits play hardball and the city loses money in the long run.
Pittsburgh's institutions are not nearly so well endowed as Boston's.
If they pass the law, institutions like MIT &amp; Harvard will take an interest in the court case.
I'd expect that eventually the courts will decide that taxing the users of the services of non-profits is unconstitutional.Anyway, Pittsburgh has no reason for existing without those non-profit institutions.
I assume the city has just failed to capitalize upon their presence, possibly by not offering tax havens to university incubated start ups, etc.
Otoh, this move will embitter the student population, encouraging more to depart Pittsburgh upon graduation.In fact, all local governments have extremely over bloated budgets from the bubble, that extra money largely flowed into non-essential government spending, but local governments usually threaten to cut essential spending over non-essential, just as an excuse to raise taxes.
I'd think the cleanest solution is capping the city budget at existing levels, open classify all departments as essential vs. non-essential, and say that all cuts must effect non-essential twice as much as essential.
All these universities instituting tuition hikes should institute similar approaches to cutting costs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184306</id>
	<title>Not just for the kids</title>
	<author>cob666</author>
	<datestamp>1258819620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What about older people that are trying to get degrees?  Why should a long term resident be charged a tax for going to a private school.  I'm not saying that I agree with the tax for the migratory college population, just that nobody has mentioned this subset of the 'revenue stream' yet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about older people that are trying to get degrees ?
Why should a long term resident be charged a tax for going to a private school .
I 'm not saying that I agree with the tax for the migratory college population , just that nobody has mentioned this subset of the 'revenue stream ' yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about older people that are trying to get degrees?
Why should a long term resident be charged a tax for going to a private school.
I'm not saying that I agree with the tax for the migratory college population, just that nobody has mentioned this subset of the 'revenue stream' yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30206196</id>
	<title>Re:pay their 'fair share.'</title>
	<author>booch</author>
	<datestamp>1258971840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The city of St. Louis charges a 1\% tax on people employed within the city, even if they don't live there. This includes a lot of people from the surrounding counties, as well as professional athletes from visiting teams.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The city of St. Louis charges a 1 \ % tax on people employed within the city , even if they do n't live there .
This includes a lot of people from the surrounding counties , as well as professional athletes from visiting teams .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The city of St. Louis charges a 1\% tax on people employed within the city, even if they don't live there.
This includes a lot of people from the surrounding counties, as well as professional athletes from visiting teams.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185284</id>
	<title>The students repeatedly emphasized</title>
	<author>TrashGod</author>
	<datestamp>1258825380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"the mayor repeatedly emphasized<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the need for students to pay their 'fair share.'"</i>
<br> <br>
The students repeatedly emphasized the need for profligate politicians to control their spending.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" the mayor repeatedly emphasized ... the need for students to pay their 'fair share .
' " The students repeatedly emphasized the need for profligate politicians to control their spending .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"the mayor repeatedly emphasized ... the need for students to pay their 'fair share.
'"
 
The students repeatedly emphasized the need for profligate politicians to control their spending.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184882</id>
	<title>Re:Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>GaryOlson</author>
	<datestamp>1258823160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, a balanced realistic analysis. What are you posting on Slashdot for?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , a balanced realistic analysis .
What are you posting on Slashdot for ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, a balanced realistic analysis.
What are you posting on Slashdot for?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183984</id>
	<title>Re:Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258816860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Moreover, doesn't the university pay taxes? And where exactly does the taxed income of the university come from? I'd guess it's paid by the students.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Moreover , does n't the university pay taxes ?
And where exactly does the taxed income of the university come from ?
I 'd guess it 's paid by the students .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moreover, doesn't the university pay taxes?
And where exactly does the taxed income of the university come from?
I'd guess it's paid by the students.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184350</id>
	<title>The right question is ...</title>
	<author>jamesl</author>
	<datestamp>1258819980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Would the city be better off financially if there were no students?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... Would the city be better off financially if there were no students ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... Would the city be better off financially if there were no students?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184136</id>
	<title>"Fair share"?</title>
	<author>NanepubPncvgnyvfg</author>
	<datestamp>1258818000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Fair" is being able to keep 100\% of the money you worked hard to earn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Fair " is being able to keep 100 \ % of the money you worked hard to earn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Fair" is being able to keep 100\% of the money you worked hard to earn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183994</id>
	<title>Re:dumb idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258816980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If a 1\% tax is $400, that means that the tuition is about $40,000. The students paying $40,000 are just going to pay the $400, they don't care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If a 1 \ % tax is $ 400 , that means that the tuition is about $ 40,000 .
The students paying $ 40,000 are just going to pay the $ 400 , they do n't care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a 1\% tax is $400, that means that the tuition is about $40,000.
The students paying $40,000 are just going to pay the $400, they don't care.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30186232</id>
	<title>Re:The whole story...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258831260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The city has been trying for years to get the universities and hospitals to pay something, ANYTHING to help the city with its budget situation. [...] What the mayor is doing, is trying to pressure the universities to come to the negotiating table to help support the city in its time of financial need</p></div><p>Ah yes, those pressing financial needs, like paying <a href="http://kdka.com/politics/Mayor.trash.cans.2.937431.html" title="kdka.com" rel="nofollow">$250,000 for 250 trash cans with mayor Ravenstahl's name on them</a> [kdka.com].</p><p>Those freeloading universities should be ashamed of themselves. If 5000-student CMU had any decency, they would increase students' tuition by $50 per person, to pay for those trash cans. It's downright unconscionable to think that they might choose not to do that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The city has been trying for years to get the universities and hospitals to pay something , ANYTHING to help the city with its budget situation .
[ ... ] What the mayor is doing , is trying to pressure the universities to come to the negotiating table to help support the city in its time of financial needAh yes , those pressing financial needs , like paying $ 250,000 for 250 trash cans with mayor Ravenstahl 's name on them [ kdka.com ] .Those freeloading universities should be ashamed of themselves .
If 5000-student CMU had any decency , they would increase students ' tuition by $ 50 per person , to pay for those trash cans .
It 's downright unconscionable to think that they might choose not to do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The city has been trying for years to get the universities and hospitals to pay something, ANYTHING to help the city with its budget situation.
[...] What the mayor is doing, is trying to pressure the universities to come to the negotiating table to help support the city in its time of financial needAh yes, those pressing financial needs, like paying $250,000 for 250 trash cans with mayor Ravenstahl's name on them [kdka.com].Those freeloading universities should be ashamed of themselves.
If 5000-student CMU had any decency, they would increase students' tuition by $50 per person, to pay for those trash cans.
It's downright unconscionable to think that they might choose not to do that.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184912</id>
	<title>Re:Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>onepoint</author>
	<datestamp>1258823400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You hit the point dead center.</p><p>in real estate dynamics, you have an attraction ( also known as an anchor property in commercial ). Good schools are the attraction, people come to spend money near those good schools, Real estate investors know that a business that keeps that attraction going or improves upon it bring more revenue to the area.</p><p>communities know this also, and therefore tax accordingly the real estate values of commercial properties, residential properties that are 5 minutes walking to good schools are always in demand, hence the have a slight upward bias over a long term in the value of that property and therefore pay an increase in property tax (on the value).</p><p>It would be rather ignorant of a community to tax a student, since when calculating the cost of an education, some people will see the word TAX and say " fuck paying taxes, that's the last thing on my mind " and just skip over that school.</p><p>Now, which schools would this tax affect if it was nation wide, the worst schools or the schools with no reputation. since a degree from a BRANDED school ( MIT, Berkley, Princeton ) is worth more, some people will not care about the taxes.</p><p>Now, Which students would this tax affect the most, those that are on a limited resources, when push comes to shove, that extra 1 percent might force them to think of another school.</p><p>this is a sad state of affairs, I feel very sorry for these students that will have to deal with an education tax.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You hit the point dead center.in real estate dynamics , you have an attraction ( also known as an anchor property in commercial ) .
Good schools are the attraction , people come to spend money near those good schools , Real estate investors know that a business that keeps that attraction going or improves upon it bring more revenue to the area.communities know this also , and therefore tax accordingly the real estate values of commercial properties , residential properties that are 5 minutes walking to good schools are always in demand , hence the have a slight upward bias over a long term in the value of that property and therefore pay an increase in property tax ( on the value ) .It would be rather ignorant of a community to tax a student , since when calculating the cost of an education , some people will see the word TAX and say " fuck paying taxes , that 's the last thing on my mind " and just skip over that school.Now , which schools would this tax affect if it was nation wide , the worst schools or the schools with no reputation .
since a degree from a BRANDED school ( MIT , Berkley , Princeton ) is worth more , some people will not care about the taxes.Now , Which students would this tax affect the most , those that are on a limited resources , when push comes to shove , that extra 1 percent might force them to think of another school.this is a sad state of affairs , I feel very sorry for these students that will have to deal with an education tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You hit the point dead center.in real estate dynamics, you have an attraction ( also known as an anchor property in commercial ).
Good schools are the attraction, people come to spend money near those good schools, Real estate investors know that a business that keeps that attraction going or improves upon it bring more revenue to the area.communities know this also, and therefore tax accordingly the real estate values of commercial properties, residential properties that are 5 minutes walking to good schools are always in demand, hence the have a slight upward bias over a long term in the value of that property and therefore pay an increase in property tax (on the value).It would be rather ignorant of a community to tax a student, since when calculating the cost of an education, some people will see the word TAX and say " fuck paying taxes, that's the last thing on my mind " and just skip over that school.Now, which schools would this tax affect if it was nation wide, the worst schools or the schools with no reputation.
since a degree from a BRANDED school ( MIT, Berkley, Princeton ) is worth more, some people will not care about the taxes.Now, Which students would this tax affect the most, those that are on a limited resources, when push comes to shove, that extra 1 percent might force them to think of another school.this is a sad state of affairs, I feel very sorry for these students that will have to deal with an education tax.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185142</id>
	<title>Brilliant!</title>
	<author>MarkvW</author>
	<datestamp>1258824780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The mayor of Pittsburgh wants to limit the consumption of education by taxing it!  I suspect that the Pennsylvania legislature will not share his vision of the future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The mayor of Pittsburgh wants to limit the consumption of education by taxing it !
I suspect that the Pennsylvania legislature will not share his vision of the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The mayor of Pittsburgh wants to limit the consumption of education by taxing it!
I suspect that the Pennsylvania legislature will not share his vision of the future.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184394</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong!</title>
	<author>JimXugle</author>
	<datestamp>1258820400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the Tax-ees here:</p><p>I'd say that he didn't talk it over with the Universities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the Tax-ees here : I 'd say that he did n't talk it over with the Universities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the Tax-ees here:I'd say that he didn't talk it over with the Universities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185836</id>
	<title>But they already pay their fair share.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258828620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>...the mayor repeatedly emphasized the burden that college students have placed on city services, and the need for students to pay their 'fair share.'</p></div></blockquote><p>Excuse me, don't they ALREADY pay their fair share to the city? I mean they are paying sales tax for all the goods and services they buy, if they are living off campus then they are paying property tax (through rent to the landlord) to the city. This is just a greedy attempt to tax a class of citizen that is not likely able to defend themselves. Shame on you Pittsburgh. Shame on you Mayor Luke Ravenstahl. For shame!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...the mayor repeatedly emphasized the burden that college students have placed on city services , and the need for students to pay their 'fair share .
'Excuse me , do n't they ALREADY pay their fair share to the city ?
I mean they are paying sales tax for all the goods and services they buy , if they are living off campus then they are paying property tax ( through rent to the landlord ) to the city .
This is just a greedy attempt to tax a class of citizen that is not likely able to defend themselves .
Shame on you Pittsburgh .
Shame on you Mayor Luke Ravenstahl .
For shame !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the mayor repeatedly emphasized the burden that college students have placed on city services, and the need for students to pay their 'fair share.
'Excuse me, don't they ALREADY pay their fair share to the city?
I mean they are paying sales tax for all the goods and services they buy, if they are living off campus then they are paying property tax (through rent to the landlord) to the city.
This is just a greedy attempt to tax a class of citizen that is not likely able to defend themselves.
Shame on you Pittsburgh.
Shame on you Mayor Luke Ravenstahl.
For shame!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185678</id>
	<title>Love it when liberals get their way!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258827600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't you love it when liberals get their way and then have to "protest" the man!  Liberalism always generate the exact opposite of the stated intent!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you love it when liberals get their way and then have to " protest " the man !
Liberalism always generate the exact opposite of the stated intent !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you love it when liberals get their way and then have to "protest" the man!
Liberalism always generate the exact opposite of the stated intent!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30186734</id>
	<title>Re:Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258834140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes but town residents pay sales tax, gas tax etc on top of their income tax and other taxes for living in the area.  I am a student who lives and works in a college town where there is 30k year round residents and 27k students.  Traffic is a nightmare so recently to pay for road improvements they wanted to tax anyone who worked in the town $2 a week.  Problem is people who work in town are already paying taxes for road upkeep and the students are creating the need for extra roads.  Since it is thanksgiving break most of the students have gone home and it takes 10min. to cross town where it can take30-40min with the students.  So the out of town students are creating this extra strain on the road system that can handle perfectly the town residents.  This tax is a step in the right direction but it needs to be applied to just out of town students who really are creating the problem.  And for the "oh I'm a student I bring so much money this town would be nothing with out me" crowd well doesn't give you the right to clog up the roads, trash the town, and cause all the other problems you cause.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes but town residents pay sales tax , gas tax etc on top of their income tax and other taxes for living in the area .
I am a student who lives and works in a college town where there is 30k year round residents and 27k students .
Traffic is a nightmare so recently to pay for road improvements they wanted to tax anyone who worked in the town $ 2 a week .
Problem is people who work in town are already paying taxes for road upkeep and the students are creating the need for extra roads .
Since it is thanksgiving break most of the students have gone home and it takes 10min .
to cross town where it can take30-40min with the students .
So the out of town students are creating this extra strain on the road system that can handle perfectly the town residents .
This tax is a step in the right direction but it needs to be applied to just out of town students who really are creating the problem .
And for the " oh I 'm a student I bring so much money this town would be nothing with out me " crowd well does n't give you the right to clog up the roads , trash the town , and cause all the other problems you cause .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes but town residents pay sales tax, gas tax etc on top of their income tax and other taxes for living in the area.
I am a student who lives and works in a college town where there is 30k year round residents and 27k students.
Traffic is a nightmare so recently to pay for road improvements they wanted to tax anyone who worked in the town $2 a week.
Problem is people who work in town are already paying taxes for road upkeep and the students are creating the need for extra roads.
Since it is thanksgiving break most of the students have gone home and it takes 10min.
to cross town where it can take30-40min with the students.
So the out of town students are creating this extra strain on the road system that can handle perfectly the town residents.
This tax is a step in the right direction but it needs to be applied to just out of town students who really are creating the problem.
And for the "oh I'm a student I bring so much money this town would be nothing with out me" crowd well doesn't give you the right to clog up the roads, trash the town, and cause all the other problems you cause.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184534</id>
	<title>Re:pay their 'fair share.'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258821180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Logically, here is what the "fair share" should be.
<br>
<br>
(Cost of Government) / (Number of Citizens) = the fair tax per citizen.
<br>
<br>
Anything else is unfair, but "necessary*" simply because not everyone can afford their fair share.
<br>
<br>
The tax code boils down to extracting unfair amounts of money from those that can pay (and the politics of helping friends and punishing enemies).
<br>
<br>
Since politicians don't pay for anything out of their own pocket, there is no reason to curtail spending.
<br>
<br>
* necessary - of course if you are "lucky" enough to be asked to pay. However, if you don't see the spending as "necessary", it is especially galling.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Logically , here is what the " fair share " should be .
( Cost of Government ) / ( Number of Citizens ) = the fair tax per citizen .
Anything else is unfair , but " necessary * " simply because not everyone can afford their fair share .
The tax code boils down to extracting unfair amounts of money from those that can pay ( and the politics of helping friends and punishing enemies ) .
Since politicians do n't pay for anything out of their own pocket , there is no reason to curtail spending .
* necessary - of course if you are " lucky " enough to be asked to pay .
However , if you do n't see the spending as " necessary " , it is especially galling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Logically, here is what the "fair share" should be.
(Cost of Government) / (Number of Citizens) = the fair tax per citizen.
Anything else is unfair, but "necessary*" simply because not everyone can afford their fair share.
The tax code boils down to extracting unfair amounts of money from those that can pay (and the politics of helping friends and punishing enemies).
Since politicians don't pay for anything out of their own pocket, there is no reason to curtail spending.
* necessary - of course if you are "lucky" enough to be asked to pay.
However, if you don't see the spending as "necessary", it is especially galling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184520</id>
	<title>Re:pay their 'fair share.'</title>
	<author>Grygus</author>
	<datestamp>1258821120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think people are more concerned with the precedent than the details.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think people are more concerned with the precedent than the details .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think people are more concerned with the precedent than the details.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184342</id>
	<title>because</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258819920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>spending tens of thousands of dollars every year into the local economy just isnt enough</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>spending tens of thousands of dollars every year into the local economy just isnt enough</tokentext>
<sentencetext>spending tens of thousands of dollars every year into the local economy just isnt enough</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185502</id>
	<title>It's Pittsburgh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258826640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>That's a way to dumb down the city.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
In other news, the mayor left for the weekend, and the average IQ of the city increased.
</p><p>
You know how it is - every vilage has its' idiot, and Pittsburgh wants to be able to say "We're #1" about something.
</p><p>
New slogan: Pittsburgh - it really IS the pits!
</p><p>
Or maybe they heard that the economy is changing, with more part-time, menial, mindless jobs, and they want to make sure their future workforce isn't over-qualified.
</p><p>
Or they want to make sure the supply of dumb voters increases.
</p><p>
Or they heard about "higher" education, and "don't want none of that people getting high on shit on school grounds - if they got money for weed, tax 'em".
</p><p>
Or the real explanation - they're broke, and figure that they can't tax the people who live there, because that means getting tossed out at the next election - so why not tax students who don't live there, can't vote, and are locked into a 4-year program?
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a way to dumb down the city .
In other news , the mayor left for the weekend , and the average IQ of the city increased .
You know how it is - every vilage has its ' idiot , and Pittsburgh wants to be able to say " We 're # 1 " about something .
New slogan : Pittsburgh - it really IS the pits !
Or maybe they heard that the economy is changing , with more part-time , menial , mindless jobs , and they want to make sure their future workforce is n't over-qualified .
Or they want to make sure the supply of dumb voters increases .
Or they heard about " higher " education , and " do n't want none of that people getting high on shit on school grounds - if they got money for weed , tax 'em " .
Or the real explanation - they 're broke , and figure that they ca n't tax the people who live there , because that means getting tossed out at the next election - so why not tax students who do n't live there , ca n't vote , and are locked into a 4-year program ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a way to dumb down the city.
In other news, the mayor left for the weekend, and the average IQ of the city increased.
You know how it is - every vilage has its' idiot, and Pittsburgh wants to be able to say "We're #1" about something.
New slogan: Pittsburgh - it really IS the pits!
Or maybe they heard that the economy is changing, with more part-time, menial, mindless jobs, and they want to make sure their future workforce isn't over-qualified.
Or they want to make sure the supply of dumb voters increases.
Or they heard about "higher" education, and "don't want none of that people getting high on shit on school grounds - if they got money for weed, tax 'em".
Or the real explanation - they're broke, and figure that they can't tax the people who live there, because that means getting tossed out at the next election - so why not tax students who don't live there, can't vote, and are locked into a 4-year program?

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185458</id>
	<title>Tax Those Seniors Next!</title>
	<author>Fieryphoenix</author>
	<datestamp>1258826340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously... what the heck? There's a reason there are two commonly found discounts out there... for seniors and students. This is because... duh... neither group is expected to be earning money! What's next, a tax on the unemployed and the homeless because they are not pitching in their share? How about cats and dogs, the freeloaders!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously... what the heck ?
There 's a reason there are two commonly found discounts out there... for seniors and students .
This is because... duh... neither group is expected to be earning money !
What 's next , a tax on the unemployed and the homeless because they are not pitching in their share ?
How about cats and dogs , the freeloaders !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously... what the heck?
There's a reason there are two commonly found discounts out there... for seniors and students.
This is because... duh... neither group is expected to be earning money!
What's next, a tax on the unemployed and the homeless because they are not pitching in their share?
How about cats and dogs, the freeloaders!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185076</id>
	<title>What would Pitts be without the Universities?</title>
	<author>nunoloureiro</author>
	<datestamp>1258824360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's the question.

Universities bring technology and new companies to the city. There are a lot of public projects in the city that are a reality only because of CMU and University of Pittsburgh. The Universities drive the evolution of the city.

I guess the mayor is too blind to see that the wealth of the city is the universities.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the question .
Universities bring technology and new companies to the city .
There are a lot of public projects in the city that are a reality only because of CMU and University of Pittsburgh .
The Universities drive the evolution of the city .
I guess the mayor is too blind to see that the wealth of the city is the universities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the question.
Universities bring technology and new companies to the city.
There are a lot of public projects in the city that are a reality only because of CMU and University of Pittsburgh.
The Universities drive the evolution of the city.
I guess the mayor is too blind to see that the wealth of the city is the universities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184170</id>
	<title>Mayor Ravenstah are you sure this is a good idea?</title>
	<author>Caffeinated Geek</author>
	<datestamp>1258818300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It would appear that Mayor Ravenstahl isn't familiar with the concept students (like tourists) bring money to his city and you really don't want them to leave. Cities fight to get tourist attractions to come to their city. Of course moving a university is harder than moving an amusement park so I guess it's safe to go after the university students. But if he makes it hard enough on the local universities and their students I'm sure they will find a way to express their displeasure and get rid of him.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would appear that Mayor Ravenstahl is n't familiar with the concept students ( like tourists ) bring money to his city and you really do n't want them to leave .
Cities fight to get tourist attractions to come to their city .
Of course moving a university is harder than moving an amusement park so I guess it 's safe to go after the university students .
But if he makes it hard enough on the local universities and their students I 'm sure they will find a way to express their displeasure and get rid of him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would appear that Mayor Ravenstahl isn't familiar with the concept students (like tourists) bring money to his city and you really don't want them to leave.
Cities fight to get tourist attractions to come to their city.
Of course moving a university is harder than moving an amusement park so I guess it's safe to go after the university students.
But if he makes it hard enough on the local universities and their students I'm sure they will find a way to express their displeasure and get rid of him.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185752</id>
	<title>Re:wow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258828020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Less educated people are easier for the wealthy to route to their wars, their politicians, their products, and their causes.  It makes sense if you look at it that way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Less educated people are easier for the wealthy to route to their wars , their politicians , their products , and their causes .
It makes sense if you look at it that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Less educated people are easier for the wealthy to route to their wars, their politicians, their products, and their causes.
It makes sense if you look at it that way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184366</id>
	<title>"they bring a huge amount of disposable income"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that's odd... I thought students were all poor and can't afford music/movies/games/programs.  Where did this magic disposable income suddenly come from?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sarcasm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that 's odd... I thought students were all poor and ca n't afford music/movies/games/programs .
Where did this magic disposable income suddenly come from ?
/sarcasm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that's odd... I thought students were all poor and can't afford music/movies/games/programs.
Where did this magic disposable income suddenly come from?
/sarcasm</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30190558</id>
	<title>Re:wow</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1258819320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, it's like that time when the state of Montana lowered the poverty level and the very next year Delaware paid for a new parking garage.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , it 's like that time when the state of Montana lowered the poverty level and the very next year Delaware paid for a new parking garage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, it's like that time when the state of Montana lowered the poverty level and the very next year Delaware paid for a new parking garage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185616</id>
	<title>Retaliation</title>
	<author>Lehk228</author>
	<datestamp>1258827180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Students should retaliate by organizing to spend as little money as possible within city limits, group orders from amazon for supplies, students with cars taking carpool trips out to the suburbs to buy groceries, everything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Students should retaliate by organizing to spend as little money as possible within city limits , group orders from amazon for supplies , students with cars taking carpool trips out to the suburbs to buy groceries , everything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Students should retaliate by organizing to spend as little money as possible within city limits, group orders from amazon for supplies, students with cars taking carpool trips out to the suburbs to buy groceries, everything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184260</id>
	<title>Re:I'm no master politician but...</title>
	<author>kamikasee</author>
	<datestamp>1258819200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, they did that too....

<a href="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s\_516110.html" title="pittsburghlive.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s\_516110.html</a> [pittsburghlive.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , they did that too... . http : //www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s \ _516110.html [ pittsburghlive.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, they did that too....

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s\_516110.html [pittsburghlive.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30189462</id>
	<title>Re:Happning in Providence Too</title>
	<author>Werthless5</author>
	<datestamp>1258809780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He never said any of that, you twit.  Taxing people who don't have any disposable income doesn't make any sense; all it does is force them out of the city, so in the end you don't earn any money AND you lose all of the additional tax revenue that those students provide just by coming to your city.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He never said any of that , you twit .
Taxing people who do n't have any disposable income does n't make any sense ; all it does is force them out of the city , so in the end you do n't earn any money AND you lose all of the additional tax revenue that those students provide just by coming to your city .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He never said any of that, you twit.
Taxing people who don't have any disposable income doesn't make any sense; all it does is force them out of the city, so in the end you don't earn any money AND you lose all of the additional tax revenue that those students provide just by coming to your city.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183972</id>
	<title>Dartmouth v Woodward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258816800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Finally an answer to the obscene amount of power Dartmouth v. Woodward gave private colleges.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally an answer to the obscene amount of power Dartmouth v. Woodward gave private colleges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally an answer to the obscene amount of power Dartmouth v. Woodward gave private colleges.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184180</id>
	<title>Happning in Providence Too</title>
	<author>KevinIsOwn</author>
	<datestamp>1258818420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Mayor of Providence has proposed <a href="http://www.projo.com/news/content/STUDENT\_TAX\_05-03-09\_U5E75IG\_v53.34233cd.html" title="projo.com">a similar tax</a> [projo.com] in providence, although it would "only" be $150/student as opposed to $400. The arguments being made in both cities seem to be exactly the same: Students need to pay their "fair share". I'm kind of curious how we don't already pay our fair share, though, given that anyone who lives off campus pays property taxes and we bring millions into the local economy. (And in Providence, we're all the local economy has left)<br> <br>
Now I'm not one to go shouting about the Government and taxes, but student taxes are very clearly a form of regressive taxation. It just doesn't make sense to be trying to take money from a group of people who don't have all that much of it in the first place. But that seems to be the trend of taxation lately, more and more regressive so rich people can keep all of their "hard earned" money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Mayor of Providence has proposed a similar tax [ projo.com ] in providence , although it would " only " be $ 150/student as opposed to $ 400 .
The arguments being made in both cities seem to be exactly the same : Students need to pay their " fair share " .
I 'm kind of curious how we do n't already pay our fair share , though , given that anyone who lives off campus pays property taxes and we bring millions into the local economy .
( And in Providence , we 're all the local economy has left ) Now I 'm not one to go shouting about the Government and taxes , but student taxes are very clearly a form of regressive taxation .
It just does n't make sense to be trying to take money from a group of people who do n't have all that much of it in the first place .
But that seems to be the trend of taxation lately , more and more regressive so rich people can keep all of their " hard earned " money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Mayor of Providence has proposed a similar tax [projo.com] in providence, although it would "only" be $150/student as opposed to $400.
The arguments being made in both cities seem to be exactly the same: Students need to pay their "fair share".
I'm kind of curious how we don't already pay our fair share, though, given that anyone who lives off campus pays property taxes and we bring millions into the local economy.
(And in Providence, we're all the local economy has left) 
Now I'm not one to go shouting about the Government and taxes, but student taxes are very clearly a form of regressive taxation.
It just doesn't make sense to be trying to take money from a group of people who don't have all that much of it in the first place.
But that seems to be the trend of taxation lately, more and more regressive so rich people can keep all of their "hard earned" money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184112</id>
	<title>Re:dumb idea</title>
	<author>Golddess</author>
	<datestamp>1258817940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're assuming that either a) those students are paying for their tuition up front, or b) the $400 tax can be added on to their existing student loans.<br>
<br>
But if they've deferred their education costs till after graduation, but the $400 is due right away, then yeah, I can see the students possibly caring.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're assuming that either a ) those students are paying for their tuition up front , or b ) the $ 400 tax can be added on to their existing student loans .
But if they 've deferred their education costs till after graduation , but the $ 400 is due right away , then yeah , I can see the students possibly caring .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're assuming that either a) those students are paying for their tuition up front, or b) the $400 tax can be added on to their existing student loans.
But if they've deferred their education costs till after graduation, but the $400 is due right away, then yeah, I can see the students possibly caring.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185138</id>
	<title>Re:The whole story...</title>
	<author>sleestak666</author>
	<datestamp>1258824780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Other posts seem to imply that the mayor WANTS to chase the students out of town.  I hope that whatever the outcome that it does not affect the UPMC donations that go to the pittsburghpromise.org program.  Since I'm a local to Pittsburgh and none of the students that nest here for four years ever stay I'd like to not change a program like this that educates Pittsburghers as I think if they're already from here they're more likely to stick around.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Other posts seem to imply that the mayor WANTS to chase the students out of town .
I hope that whatever the outcome that it does not affect the UPMC donations that go to the pittsburghpromise.org program .
Since I 'm a local to Pittsburgh and none of the students that nest here for four years ever stay I 'd like to not change a program like this that educates Pittsburghers as I think if they 're already from here they 're more likely to stick around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Other posts seem to imply that the mayor WANTS to chase the students out of town.
I hope that whatever the outcome that it does not affect the UPMC donations that go to the pittsburghpromise.org program.
Since I'm a local to Pittsburgh and none of the students that nest here for four years ever stay I'd like to not change a program like this that educates Pittsburghers as I think if they're already from here they're more likely to stick around.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30190748</id>
	<title>Pittsburgh: Shoot first, Tax questions later</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258822080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Disclosure:  I am parent of a student in their final year at University of Pittsburgh, so that may color my view of some recent events.</p><p>The Pittsburgh Mayor and city police force apparently hate university students.</p><p>Remember this is the same city that on Friday September 20th 2009, decided it was ok to tests new weapons on pittsburgh students (many were first years, children imho), on the pretence of protecting the G20 (which was complete BS the conference had already ended, was located 3 miles away, and everyone had already departed towards the airport, which is in the opposite direction).</p><p>My personal Speculation:</p><p>Mayor (Luke Ravenstahl) and city police had already wasted much more money than this ridiculous and illegal new tax can raise, to hire several hundred mercenary cops from out of town, supposedly to "protect" the G20.   Of course nothing much happened, despite desperate media attempts to hype a few broken windows, and a few simple minded trouble makers camped in a field or two.  This was unfortunate from the viewpoint of the G20 organizers because now they had nothing to justify the huge cost for all the hired guns.</p><p>So, they needed a fundraiser, a show for the media, they also hated the fact that the students chose to protest the excessive violence used by the polcie against the "protesters"<br>So, late Friday night, hundreds of bored and poorly led mercenary cops targeted the students union on Forbes avenue as a handy place to victimize defenceless children; a cynical attack on legitimate criticism, no real physical risk, combined with a weapons test and fund raiser (An all round media win from their viewpoint).</p><p>This tiny protest could have been monitored peacably by two cops from the university police force.<br>Instead the jackbooted mercenarys incited unrest and trouble by marching hundred of cops in full riot gear down forbes avenue en-masse, then standing off and taunting the students via megaphones.  These heavily armed heroes bravely surrounded the defenseless student union on Forbes avenue.</p><p>Naturally as on any normal Saturday night the Union has hundreds of students in the area (the residences for several universities and colleges are nearby) these mercenaries in riot gear proceeded to demand they dispersed (for no legal reason other than they had guns and the students didn't) while blocking many street exits.<br>These heavily armed uniformed protectors of the peace then proceeded to test new sound weapons on their student victims, lob tear gas, and then heroically grab any pretty young girls they fancied, so they could have a little fun while arresting them.  Watch the videos online if you want to see an example of the disgraceful actions by police, it was a violent fascist display, it reminded me of the Nazi's.  In case your wondering, no, my child was not there, having wisely chosen to avoid an obvious police trap.</p><p>In my humble opinion the Pittsburgh mayor and police should be thoroughly ashamed for the actions of the police force under their control and on their watch.<br>Now they want to tax the students to pay for their waste and abuses.  They should resign or be simply fired.<br>The pathetic attempt to show there was value to the city from hosting the G20, and justification for hiring an army of thugs should be revealed for the sham it was.  There may have been some value, a lot of effort was put into making the G20 work, but now after the attacks on the student's I guess the cops blew any good will that was generated.</p><p>If they do need to host these much hated international conferences, (personally I could care less, but some people clearly do hate them) why can't they host them on some easily protected remote island and avoid disrupting a major city.  I hear there's a handy place called Guantanamo coming vacant, send the valued international leaders there!</p><p>One aspect of all this leadership vacuum that I personally found truly shocking was the weasely compliance of the Pittsburgh media to suck up and uncritically portray these events t</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Disclosure : I am parent of a student in their final year at University of Pittsburgh , so that may color my view of some recent events.The Pittsburgh Mayor and city police force apparently hate university students.Remember this is the same city that on Friday September 20th 2009 , decided it was ok to tests new weapons on pittsburgh students ( many were first years , children imho ) , on the pretence of protecting the G20 ( which was complete BS the conference had already ended , was located 3 miles away , and everyone had already departed towards the airport , which is in the opposite direction ) .My personal Speculation : Mayor ( Luke Ravenstahl ) and city police had already wasted much more money than this ridiculous and illegal new tax can raise , to hire several hundred mercenary cops from out of town , supposedly to " protect " the G20 .
Of course nothing much happened , despite desperate media attempts to hype a few broken windows , and a few simple minded trouble makers camped in a field or two .
This was unfortunate from the viewpoint of the G20 organizers because now they had nothing to justify the huge cost for all the hired guns.So , they needed a fundraiser , a show for the media , they also hated the fact that the students chose to protest the excessive violence used by the polcie against the " protesters " So , late Friday night , hundreds of bored and poorly led mercenary cops targeted the students union on Forbes avenue as a handy place to victimize defenceless children ; a cynical attack on legitimate criticism , no real physical risk , combined with a weapons test and fund raiser ( An all round media win from their viewpoint ) .This tiny protest could have been monitored peacably by two cops from the university police force.Instead the jackbooted mercenarys incited unrest and trouble by marching hundred of cops in full riot gear down forbes avenue en-masse , then standing off and taunting the students via megaphones .
These heavily armed heroes bravely surrounded the defenseless student union on Forbes avenue.Naturally as on any normal Saturday night the Union has hundreds of students in the area ( the residences for several universities and colleges are nearby ) these mercenaries in riot gear proceeded to demand they dispersed ( for no legal reason other than they had guns and the students did n't ) while blocking many street exits.These heavily armed uniformed protectors of the peace then proceeded to test new sound weapons on their student victims , lob tear gas , and then heroically grab any pretty young girls they fancied , so they could have a little fun while arresting them .
Watch the videos online if you want to see an example of the disgraceful actions by police , it was a violent fascist display , it reminded me of the Nazi 's .
In case your wondering , no , my child was not there , having wisely chosen to avoid an obvious police trap.In my humble opinion the Pittsburgh mayor and police should be thoroughly ashamed for the actions of the police force under their control and on their watch.Now they want to tax the students to pay for their waste and abuses .
They should resign or be simply fired.The pathetic attempt to show there was value to the city from hosting the G20 , and justification for hiring an army of thugs should be revealed for the sham it was .
There may have been some value , a lot of effort was put into making the G20 work , but now after the attacks on the student 's I guess the cops blew any good will that was generated.If they do need to host these much hated international conferences , ( personally I could care less , but some people clearly do hate them ) why ca n't they host them on some easily protected remote island and avoid disrupting a major city .
I hear there 's a handy place called Guantanamo coming vacant , send the valued international leaders there ! One aspect of all this leadership vacuum that I personally found truly shocking was the weasely compliance of the Pittsburgh media to suck up and uncritically portray these events t</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disclosure:  I am parent of a student in their final year at University of Pittsburgh, so that may color my view of some recent events.The Pittsburgh Mayor and city police force apparently hate university students.Remember this is the same city that on Friday September 20th 2009, decided it was ok to tests new weapons on pittsburgh students (many were first years, children imho), on the pretence of protecting the G20 (which was complete BS the conference had already ended, was located 3 miles away, and everyone had already departed towards the airport, which is in the opposite direction).My personal Speculation:Mayor (Luke Ravenstahl) and city police had already wasted much more money than this ridiculous and illegal new tax can raise, to hire several hundred mercenary cops from out of town, supposedly to "protect" the G20.
Of course nothing much happened, despite desperate media attempts to hype a few broken windows, and a few simple minded trouble makers camped in a field or two.
This was unfortunate from the viewpoint of the G20 organizers because now they had nothing to justify the huge cost for all the hired guns.So, they needed a fundraiser, a show for the media, they also hated the fact that the students chose to protest the excessive violence used by the polcie against the "protesters"So, late Friday night, hundreds of bored and poorly led mercenary cops targeted the students union on Forbes avenue as a handy place to victimize defenceless children; a cynical attack on legitimate criticism, no real physical risk, combined with a weapons test and fund raiser (An all round media win from their viewpoint).This tiny protest could have been monitored peacably by two cops from the university police force.Instead the jackbooted mercenarys incited unrest and trouble by marching hundred of cops in full riot gear down forbes avenue en-masse, then standing off and taunting the students via megaphones.
These heavily armed heroes bravely surrounded the defenseless student union on Forbes avenue.Naturally as on any normal Saturday night the Union has hundreds of students in the area (the residences for several universities and colleges are nearby) these mercenaries in riot gear proceeded to demand they dispersed (for no legal reason other than they had guns and the students didn't) while blocking many street exits.These heavily armed uniformed protectors of the peace then proceeded to test new sound weapons on their student victims, lob tear gas, and then heroically grab any pretty young girls they fancied, so they could have a little fun while arresting them.
Watch the videos online if you want to see an example of the disgraceful actions by police, it was a violent fascist display, it reminded me of the Nazi's.
In case your wondering, no, my child was not there, having wisely chosen to avoid an obvious police trap.In my humble opinion the Pittsburgh mayor and police should be thoroughly ashamed for the actions of the police force under their control and on their watch.Now they want to tax the students to pay for their waste and abuses.
They should resign or be simply fired.The pathetic attempt to show there was value to the city from hosting the G20, and justification for hiring an army of thugs should be revealed for the sham it was.
There may have been some value, a lot of effort was put into making the G20 work, but now after the attacks on the student's I guess the cops blew any good will that was generated.If they do need to host these much hated international conferences, (personally I could care less, but some people clearly do hate them) why can't they host them on some easily protected remote island and avoid disrupting a major city.
I hear there's a handy place called Guantanamo coming vacant, send the valued international leaders there!One aspect of all this leadership vacuum that I personally found truly shocking was the weasely compliance of the Pittsburgh media to suck up and uncritically portray these events t</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185962</id>
	<title>Re:pay their 'fair share.'</title>
	<author>Vu1turEMaN</author>
	<datestamp>1258829340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a student in Pittsburgh. I go to Pitt. Payin 7k a year for my wonderful education.</p><p>We aren't paying our 'fair share' AT ALL compared to non-students, especially because some of the universities fall into the non-profit category too.</p><p>And calling our Mayor a shithead is insightful? Really? Slashdot, get classy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a student in Pittsburgh .
I go to Pitt .
Payin 7k a year for my wonderful education.We are n't paying our 'fair share ' AT ALL compared to non-students , especially because some of the universities fall into the non-profit category too.And calling our Mayor a shithead is insightful ?
Really ? Slashdot , get classy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a student in Pittsburgh.
I go to Pitt.
Payin 7k a year for my wonderful education.We aren't paying our 'fair share' AT ALL compared to non-students, especially because some of the universities fall into the non-profit category too.And calling our Mayor a shithead is insightful?
Really? Slashdot, get classy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183980</id>
	<title>pay their 'fair share.'</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1258816800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They already do shithead Mayor.  Students pay:</p><p>- property tax (included in the school's tuition and the dorm room rental fees)<br>- sales tax (by buying local products)<br>- gas tax or road tolls (when they drive around)</p><p>This story reminds me of Baltimore City Council, which keeps trying to tax neighboring counties on the theory that suburban folks work in the city, or visit the Raven stadium, but don't pay taxes.  (Except that they do - via state income tax and sales tax and providing income to stadium/restaurant/other inner city workers.)  Same stupid first-order level of thinking.  These politicians need to dig deeper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They already do shithead Mayor .
Students pay : - property tax ( included in the school 's tuition and the dorm room rental fees ) - sales tax ( by buying local products ) - gas tax or road tolls ( when they drive around ) This story reminds me of Baltimore City Council , which keeps trying to tax neighboring counties on the theory that suburban folks work in the city , or visit the Raven stadium , but do n't pay taxes .
( Except that they do - via state income tax and sales tax and providing income to stadium/restaurant/other inner city workers .
) Same stupid first-order level of thinking .
These politicians need to dig deeper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They already do shithead Mayor.
Students pay:- property tax (included in the school's tuition and the dorm room rental fees)- sales tax (by buying local products)- gas tax or road tolls (when they drive around)This story reminds me of Baltimore City Council, which keeps trying to tax neighboring counties on the theory that suburban folks work in the city, or visit the Raven stadium, but don't pay taxes.
(Except that they do - via state income tax and sales tax and providing income to stadium/restaurant/other inner city workers.
)  Same stupid first-order level of thinking.
These politicians need to dig deeper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185224</id>
	<title>Re:How about some other ideas?</title>
	<author>GaryOlson</author>
	<datestamp>1258825080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Paying money means nothing to a politician; they will just give themselves a raise to compensate.<br> <br>Require politicians to volunteer two hours a week serving food during lunch hour in the student cafeteria. Preferably on the burger grill.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Paying money means nothing to a politician ; they will just give themselves a raise to compensate .
Require politicians to volunteer two hours a week serving food during lunch hour in the student cafeteria .
Preferably on the burger grill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paying money means nothing to a politician; they will just give themselves a raise to compensate.
Require politicians to volunteer two hours a week serving food during lunch hour in the student cafeteria.
Preferably on the burger grill.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184290</id>
	<title>The whole story...</title>
	<author>sugapablo</author>
	<datestamp>1258819440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem is, in Pittsburgh the two major enterprises/employers are colleges and hospital systems.  Both non-profit and both tax exempt.  They own a tremendous amount of land (tax-free) employ the most people (tax free) and use up a tremendous amount of city services (such as police, ambulance, fire, water, sewage, etc, all tax free).

The city has been trying for years to get the universities and hospitals to pay something, ANYTHING to help the city with its budget situation.  In other cities where non-profits make up a large percentage of the area, the non-profits usually contribute something in terms of "voluntary payments", such as in Boston.

What the mayor is doing, is trying to pressure the universities to come to the negotiating table to help support the city in its time of financial need, using other major cities with major university systems as a model.  So far, the universities and hospital systems have refused.  (Keep in mind, our major hospital system is UPMC (University of Pittsburgh Medical Center).

Luke cares little for this tax and doesn't want it to pass.  He want to use it to cause a big firestorm (which obviously it has) and force concessions.  We'll see if it works.  PA State Reps are already proposing laws to prevent the City of Pittsburgh from being able to tax students directly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is , in Pittsburgh the two major enterprises/employers are colleges and hospital systems .
Both non-profit and both tax exempt .
They own a tremendous amount of land ( tax-free ) employ the most people ( tax free ) and use up a tremendous amount of city services ( such as police , ambulance , fire , water , sewage , etc , all tax free ) .
The city has been trying for years to get the universities and hospitals to pay something , ANYTHING to help the city with its budget situation .
In other cities where non-profits make up a large percentage of the area , the non-profits usually contribute something in terms of " voluntary payments " , such as in Boston .
What the mayor is doing , is trying to pressure the universities to come to the negotiating table to help support the city in its time of financial need , using other major cities with major university systems as a model .
So far , the universities and hospital systems have refused .
( Keep in mind , our major hospital system is UPMC ( University of Pittsburgh Medical Center ) .
Luke cares little for this tax and does n't want it to pass .
He want to use it to cause a big firestorm ( which obviously it has ) and force concessions .
We 'll see if it works .
PA State Reps are already proposing laws to prevent the City of Pittsburgh from being able to tax students directly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is, in Pittsburgh the two major enterprises/employers are colleges and hospital systems.
Both non-profit and both tax exempt.
They own a tremendous amount of land (tax-free) employ the most people (tax free) and use up a tremendous amount of city services (such as police, ambulance, fire, water, sewage, etc, all tax free).
The city has been trying for years to get the universities and hospitals to pay something, ANYTHING to help the city with its budget situation.
In other cities where non-profits make up a large percentage of the area, the non-profits usually contribute something in terms of "voluntary payments", such as in Boston.
What the mayor is doing, is trying to pressure the universities to come to the negotiating table to help support the city in its time of financial need, using other major cities with major university systems as a model.
So far, the universities and hospital systems have refused.
(Keep in mind, our major hospital system is UPMC (University of Pittsburgh Medical Center).
Luke cares little for this tax and doesn't want it to pass.
He want to use it to cause a big firestorm (which obviously it has) and force concessions.
We'll see if it works.
PA State Reps are already proposing laws to prevent the City of Pittsburgh from being able to tax students directly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185770</id>
	<title>Re:Happning in Providence Too</title>
	<author>MrHyd3</author>
	<datestamp>1258828080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You truly are a glittering colossal jewel of ignorance.</p><p>So you're saying, the mayor is taxing students because the rich want to keep their money?  Fantastic!</p><p>Listen kid, it's the rich ppl who hire you or these skulls full of mush once you decide to grow up and work in the real world.</p><p>It's the rich ppl who provide goods &amp; services to skulls full of mush consumers.</p><p>Over taxation as you stated leads me to believe you're finally starting to catch on, but on the WRONG side of the argument.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You truly are a glittering colossal jewel of ignorance.So you 're saying , the mayor is taxing students because the rich want to keep their money ?
Fantastic ! Listen kid , it 's the rich ppl who hire you or these skulls full of mush once you decide to grow up and work in the real world.It 's the rich ppl who provide goods &amp; services to skulls full of mush consumers.Over taxation as you stated leads me to believe you 're finally starting to catch on , but on the WRONG side of the argument .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You truly are a glittering colossal jewel of ignorance.So you're saying, the mayor is taxing students because the rich want to keep their money?
Fantastic!Listen kid, it's the rich ppl who hire you or these skulls full of mush once you decide to grow up and work in the real world.It's the rich ppl who provide goods &amp; services to skulls full of mush consumers.Over taxation as you stated leads me to believe you're finally starting to catch on, but on the WRONG side of the argument.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184180</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30187994</id>
	<title>Students don't pay income tax?  Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258799160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last I checked, you have to pay income tax in the state you work in, as well as the state you reside in (if the two are different).  You can receive credit in one for taxes paid to another, but you still have to pay them.  Students are already taking out larger volumes of student loans and running up credit cards at record rates.  If you want to milk a cash cow, you're picking the wrong farm in this case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last I checked , you have to pay income tax in the state you work in , as well as the state you reside in ( if the two are different ) .
You can receive credit in one for taxes paid to another , but you still have to pay them .
Students are already taking out larger volumes of student loans and running up credit cards at record rates .
If you want to milk a cash cow , you 're picking the wrong farm in this case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last I checked, you have to pay income tax in the state you work in, as well as the state you reside in (if the two are different).
You can receive credit in one for taxes paid to another, but you still have to pay them.
Students are already taking out larger volumes of student loans and running up credit cards at record rates.
If you want to milk a cash cow, you're picking the wrong farm in this case.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184528</id>
	<title>Re:US doens't want students</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258821120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reply with a link to a school in Norway that isn't funded by taxes and is still "free".</p><p>There a few things more ignorant than calling something free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reply with a link to a school in Norway that is n't funded by taxes and is still " free " .There a few things more ignorant than calling something free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reply with a link to a school in Norway that isn't funded by taxes and is still "free".There a few things more ignorant than calling something free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185736</id>
	<title>Re:I'm no master politician but...</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1258827840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Deregulating alcohol sales a bit would help with that.  It's been a few years since I was in Pittsburgh, but last time I was there you could only buy beer and wine (in bottles, rather than to drink immediately) in a few places, most of which weren't open in the evenings or at weekends.  As a brit, it was weird finding supermarkets with no alcohol section (although there is an absolutely incredible cheese shop that makes me forgive any other retail oddities in the city).  If you want to pick up a bottle to take to a party, make sure you plan a few days in advance.  </p><p>
I found it easier to find beer in Salt Lake City than in Pittsburgh.  The beer in Salt Lake City was better too...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Deregulating alcohol sales a bit would help with that .
It 's been a few years since I was in Pittsburgh , but last time I was there you could only buy beer and wine ( in bottles , rather than to drink immediately ) in a few places , most of which were n't open in the evenings or at weekends .
As a brit , it was weird finding supermarkets with no alcohol section ( although there is an absolutely incredible cheese shop that makes me forgive any other retail oddities in the city ) .
If you want to pick up a bottle to take to a party , make sure you plan a few days in advance .
I found it easier to find beer in Salt Lake City than in Pittsburgh .
The beer in Salt Lake City was better too.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Deregulating alcohol sales a bit would help with that.
It's been a few years since I was in Pittsburgh, but last time I was there you could only buy beer and wine (in bottles, rather than to drink immediately) in a few places, most of which weren't open in the evenings or at weekends.
As a brit, it was weird finding supermarkets with no alcohol section (although there is an absolutely incredible cheese shop that makes me forgive any other retail oddities in the city).
If you want to pick up a bottle to take to a party, make sure you plan a few days in advance.
I found it easier to find beer in Salt Lake City than in Pittsburgh.
The beer in Salt Lake City was better too...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185710</id>
	<title>Re:Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1258827720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>occupy lots of space and valuable real estate</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
You know, you're talking Pittsburgh here - if the universities were to close tomorrow, property values would drop like a rock. Pittsburgh <a href="http://kdka.com/local/Pittsburgh.2nd.In.2.388417.html" title="kdka.com">is second only after the places hit by hurricane Katrina in terms of population decline</a> [kdka.com] - and it's continued since that article was written in 2007.  Pittsburgh - it IS the pits - armpits that is.
</p><p>
The worst part? It's not salvageable.  Puts it right at the top, along with Detroit, as one of the <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5516536/US-cities-may-have-to-be-bulldozed-in-order-to-survive.html" title="telegraph.co.uk">50 cities most likely to disappear over the next 2 decades</a> [telegraph.co.uk].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>occupy lots of space and valuable real estate You know , you 're talking Pittsburgh here - if the universities were to close tomorrow , property values would drop like a rock .
Pittsburgh is second only after the places hit by hurricane Katrina in terms of population decline [ kdka.com ] - and it 's continued since that article was written in 2007 .
Pittsburgh - it IS the pits - armpits that is .
The worst part ?
It 's not salvageable .
Puts it right at the top , along with Detroit , as one of the 50 cities most likely to disappear over the next 2 decades [ telegraph.co.uk ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>occupy lots of space and valuable real estate

You know, you're talking Pittsburgh here - if the universities were to close tomorrow, property values would drop like a rock.
Pittsburgh is second only after the places hit by hurricane Katrina in terms of population decline [kdka.com] - and it's continued since that article was written in 2007.
Pittsburgh - it IS the pits - armpits that is.
The worst part?
It's not salvageable.
Puts it right at the top, along with Detroit, as one of the 50 cities most likely to disappear over the next 2 decades [telegraph.co.uk].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184830</id>
	<title>Students are drains</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258822860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure the students don't bring any business to the city. They never patronize local businesses. They just sit in their dorm rooms and drink (probably imported from Ohio)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure the students do n't bring any business to the city .
They never patronize local businesses .
They just sit in their dorm rooms and drink ( probably imported from Ohio )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure the students don't bring any business to the city.
They never patronize local businesses.
They just sit in their dorm rooms and drink (probably imported from Ohio)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185472</id>
	<title>Re:Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>kencurry</author>
	<datestamp>1258826460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>+1 insightful <br> <br>

mods are sleeping in this morning.</htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 insightful mods are sleeping in this morning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 insightful  

mods are sleeping in this morning.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30187300</id>
	<title>wow, how dumb is that mayor</title>
	<author>Dan667</author>
	<datestamp>1258794840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>so some kid cannot afford the tax and drops out.  All future taxes they would have gotten from that person when they graduated and got a great job will never happen.  Brilliant!</htmltext>
<tokenext>so some kid can not afford the tax and drops out .
All future taxes they would have gotten from that person when they graduated and got a great job will never happen .
Brilliant !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so some kid cannot afford the tax and drops out.
All future taxes they would have gotten from that person when they graduated and got a great job will never happen.
Brilliant!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184142</id>
	<title>Priorities</title>
	<author>six11</author>
	<datestamp>1258818060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a CMU student (sort of), this doesn't surprise me, and I invite Luke Ravenstahl to kiss my poor ass. Considering this guy prioritizes money in the most bogo-riffic ways (e.g. <a href="http://kdka.com/politics/Mayor.trash.cans.2.937431.html" title="kdka.com">spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on fancy trash cans sporting his name</a> [kdka.com]) it seems clear he is not and has not been fit to run the city.</p><p>Pittsburgh's new economy is fueled by the universities*. Everybody knows this. Taxing the students---those people least able to pay---is akin to cannibalism.</p><p>Of course, what will happen is students will just borrow a bit more and stack on a little more debt. So maybe Luke's idea is to get students to hedge their futures on his present financial problems.</p><p>* And the Steelers</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a CMU student ( sort of ) , this does n't surprise me , and I invite Luke Ravenstahl to kiss my poor ass .
Considering this guy prioritizes money in the most bogo-riffic ways ( e.g .
spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on fancy trash cans sporting his name [ kdka.com ] ) it seems clear he is not and has not been fit to run the city.Pittsburgh 's new economy is fueled by the universities * .
Everybody knows this .
Taxing the students---those people least able to pay---is akin to cannibalism.Of course , what will happen is students will just borrow a bit more and stack on a little more debt .
So maybe Luke 's idea is to get students to hedge their futures on his present financial problems .
* And the Steelers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a CMU student (sort of), this doesn't surprise me, and I invite Luke Ravenstahl to kiss my poor ass.
Considering this guy prioritizes money in the most bogo-riffic ways (e.g.
spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on fancy trash cans sporting his name [kdka.com]) it seems clear he is not and has not been fit to run the city.Pittsburgh's new economy is fueled by the universities*.
Everybody knows this.
Taxing the students---those people least able to pay---is akin to cannibalism.Of course, what will happen is students will just borrow a bit more and stack on a little more debt.
So maybe Luke's idea is to get students to hedge their futures on his present financial problems.
* And the Steelers</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30186544</id>
	<title>Re:The whole story...</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1258833060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm guessing another part of the real story here is that students are very unlikely to vote in the local elections where they attend college compared to other people who could be taxed, so the mayor feels safer about taxing them then taxing, say, elderly homeowners (who are most likely to vote).</p><p>And this is why the students would do well to start voting locally. If you don't vote, you lose any political power you might have to prevent someone from doing this. Yes, you have economic power by taking your money elsewhere, but that's a much bigger PITA than spending a little while in November to go vote.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm guessing another part of the real story here is that students are very unlikely to vote in the local elections where they attend college compared to other people who could be taxed , so the mayor feels safer about taxing them then taxing , say , elderly homeowners ( who are most likely to vote ) .And this is why the students would do well to start voting locally .
If you do n't vote , you lose any political power you might have to prevent someone from doing this .
Yes , you have economic power by taking your money elsewhere , but that 's a much bigger PITA than spending a little while in November to go vote .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm guessing another part of the real story here is that students are very unlikely to vote in the local elections where they attend college compared to other people who could be taxed, so the mayor feels safer about taxing them then taxing, say, elderly homeowners (who are most likely to vote).And this is why the students would do well to start voting locally.
If you don't vote, you lose any political power you might have to prevent someone from doing this.
Yes, you have economic power by taking your money elsewhere, but that's a much bigger PITA than spending a little while in November to go vote.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30186344</id>
	<title>Re:I'm no master politician but...</title>
	<author>antibryce</author>
	<datestamp>1258831920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure if you're aware and making a joke about it, but Pittsburgh recently got an alcoholic drink tax. 10\% on every poured drink.</p><p>The city is going to have to continue raising taxes everywhere it can, because we've had decades of really bad management.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure if you 're aware and making a joke about it , but Pittsburgh recently got an alcoholic drink tax .
10 \ % on every poured drink.The city is going to have to continue raising taxes everywhere it can , because we 've had decades of really bad management .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure if you're aware and making a joke about it, but Pittsburgh recently got an alcoholic drink tax.
10\% on every poured drink.The city is going to have to continue raising taxes everywhere it can, because we've had decades of really bad management.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30186032</id>
	<title>Re:Happning in Providence Too</title>
	<author>Vu1turEMaN</author>
	<datestamp>1258829760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Pittsburgh one isn't $400, it's 1\%, which can equal 140$ a year for those that go to Pitt.</p><p>It's the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Pittsburgh one is n't $ 400 , it 's 1 \ % , which can equal 140 $ a year for those that go to Pitt.It 's the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Pittsburgh one isn't $400, it's 1\%, which can equal 140$ a year for those that go to Pitt.It's the same.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184266</id>
	<title>I've been to Pittsburgh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258819260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and frankly, I don't see much reason for the city to exist currently (in an economic sense) except for the presence of its universities.  Generally, in that situation, the approach to take is to offer every incentive you can to get businesses and industries INTO the city.  And one thing those businesses will need, especially in a modern economy, is well educated students.  Pittsburgh seems to have suffered something of a "brain drain" effect in that (naturally enough) folks who would be the foundation and building blocks of economic activity have fled elsewhere for better opportunity.  Investment capital appears to have done much the same.  The ONE strong asset left to the city is high quality education which brings smart people into geographic proximity with Pittsburgh, and heaping burdens on it strikes me as exactly the wrong approach (ESPECIALLY the students.)  Students in higher education ARE a special category - they are the ONLY realistic chance for economic success for both Pittsburgh and the US as a whole in a world economy.  They are a limited resource both locally and globally.  Education follows good teachers and researchers, just as academic reputation does - make things bad enough and even universities can lose their edge.  More to the point, Pittsburgh needs a complete economic overhaul.  It might be hard to kill CMU's reputation as long as good people come to the school for the reputation, but if Pittsburgh wants them to STAY and actually start to recreate a new economy from the ruins left by the steel industry they have to make people WANT to stay.</p><p>Pittsburgh is in a tough situation, and I understand resentment of any "special" status of students, but they have to realize that a student tax isn't even addressing their larger problems and will do exactly nothing to effect the turnaround Pittsburgh really needs if it is to revitalize itself.  Pittsburgh needs to try and KEEP those students, not give them one less reason to be there, because young educated people are the one irreplaceable necessity in any serious drive to build competitive industries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and frankly , I do n't see much reason for the city to exist currently ( in an economic sense ) except for the presence of its universities .
Generally , in that situation , the approach to take is to offer every incentive you can to get businesses and industries INTO the city .
And one thing those businesses will need , especially in a modern economy , is well educated students .
Pittsburgh seems to have suffered something of a " brain drain " effect in that ( naturally enough ) folks who would be the foundation and building blocks of economic activity have fled elsewhere for better opportunity .
Investment capital appears to have done much the same .
The ONE strong asset left to the city is high quality education which brings smart people into geographic proximity with Pittsburgh , and heaping burdens on it strikes me as exactly the wrong approach ( ESPECIALLY the students .
) Students in higher education ARE a special category - they are the ONLY realistic chance for economic success for both Pittsburgh and the US as a whole in a world economy .
They are a limited resource both locally and globally .
Education follows good teachers and researchers , just as academic reputation does - make things bad enough and even universities can lose their edge .
More to the point , Pittsburgh needs a complete economic overhaul .
It might be hard to kill CMU 's reputation as long as good people come to the school for the reputation , but if Pittsburgh wants them to STAY and actually start to recreate a new economy from the ruins left by the steel industry they have to make people WANT to stay.Pittsburgh is in a tough situation , and I understand resentment of any " special " status of students , but they have to realize that a student tax is n't even addressing their larger problems and will do exactly nothing to effect the turnaround Pittsburgh really needs if it is to revitalize itself .
Pittsburgh needs to try and KEEP those students , not give them one less reason to be there , because young educated people are the one irreplaceable necessity in any serious drive to build competitive industries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and frankly, I don't see much reason for the city to exist currently (in an economic sense) except for the presence of its universities.
Generally, in that situation, the approach to take is to offer every incentive you can to get businesses and industries INTO the city.
And one thing those businesses will need, especially in a modern economy, is well educated students.
Pittsburgh seems to have suffered something of a "brain drain" effect in that (naturally enough) folks who would be the foundation and building blocks of economic activity have fled elsewhere for better opportunity.
Investment capital appears to have done much the same.
The ONE strong asset left to the city is high quality education which brings smart people into geographic proximity with Pittsburgh, and heaping burdens on it strikes me as exactly the wrong approach (ESPECIALLY the students.
)  Students in higher education ARE a special category - they are the ONLY realistic chance for economic success for both Pittsburgh and the US as a whole in a world economy.
They are a limited resource both locally and globally.
Education follows good teachers and researchers, just as academic reputation does - make things bad enough and even universities can lose their edge.
More to the point, Pittsburgh needs a complete economic overhaul.
It might be hard to kill CMU's reputation as long as good people come to the school for the reputation, but if Pittsburgh wants them to STAY and actually start to recreate a new economy from the ruins left by the steel industry they have to make people WANT to stay.Pittsburgh is in a tough situation, and I understand resentment of any "special" status of students, but they have to realize that a student tax isn't even addressing their larger problems and will do exactly nothing to effect the turnaround Pittsburgh really needs if it is to revitalize itself.
Pittsburgh needs to try and KEEP those students, not give them one less reason to be there, because young educated people are the one irreplaceable necessity in any serious drive to build competitive industries.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30186364</id>
	<title>Take a guess as to this guy's political party</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258832100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read this, shook my head and said "only a Democrat would think of this".</p><p>Republicans do other stupid stuff, but this has such a Democratic ring to it.  The funny part is, all the faux-liberal students will sit around Starbucks and will blame it on Bush, and they will all nod in agreement.</p><p>If the students had any sense, they would all claim residence in Pittsburgh and vote for the "other" candidate.  To cut this kind of nonsense off the pass.</p><p>Further, they should write to each of the businesses in Pittsburgh they do business with and let them know they'll be shopping elsewhere, sorry if it puts them out of business, talk to the mayor.</p><p>If the student did something other than pointless protests, they could really put the fear of God into the idiots running the city.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read this , shook my head and said " only a Democrat would think of this " .Republicans do other stupid stuff , but this has such a Democratic ring to it .
The funny part is , all the faux-liberal students will sit around Starbucks and will blame it on Bush , and they will all nod in agreement.If the students had any sense , they would all claim residence in Pittsburgh and vote for the " other " candidate .
To cut this kind of nonsense off the pass.Further , they should write to each of the businesses in Pittsburgh they do business with and let them know they 'll be shopping elsewhere , sorry if it puts them out of business , talk to the mayor.If the student did something other than pointless protests , they could really put the fear of God into the idiots running the city .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read this, shook my head and said "only a Democrat would think of this".Republicans do other stupid stuff, but this has such a Democratic ring to it.
The funny part is, all the faux-liberal students will sit around Starbucks and will blame it on Bush, and they will all nod in agreement.If the students had any sense, they would all claim residence in Pittsburgh and vote for the "other" candidate.
To cut this kind of nonsense off the pass.Further, they should write to each of the businesses in Pittsburgh they do business with and let them know they'll be shopping elsewhere, sorry if it puts them out of business, talk to the mayor.If the student did something other than pointless protests, they could really put the fear of God into the idiots running the city.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184798</id>
	<title>dumb PR move</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258822620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a better way to achieve the same end without taking the massive PR hit.  Negotiate with the colleges and universities to increase their payments in lieu of taxes, and if they won't agree, then increase the cost of services to them.</p><p>This is similar to what the Dems are doing on health care - they (and others who looked at it, including John McCain before the election) want to tax high-end individual health care plans, without being accused of increasing taxes.  Fine, so they'll go after the middlemen instead with an excise tax.  Chances are the middlemen will pass the costs on to consumers, but hey, that's their decision not the government's.</p><p>Maybe the mayor is acknowledging that he doesn't know how to negotiate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a better way to achieve the same end without taking the massive PR hit .
Negotiate with the colleges and universities to increase their payments in lieu of taxes , and if they wo n't agree , then increase the cost of services to them.This is similar to what the Dems are doing on health care - they ( and others who looked at it , including John McCain before the election ) want to tax high-end individual health care plans , without being accused of increasing taxes .
Fine , so they 'll go after the middlemen instead with an excise tax .
Chances are the middlemen will pass the costs on to consumers , but hey , that 's their decision not the government 's.Maybe the mayor is acknowledging that he does n't know how to negotiate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a better way to achieve the same end without taking the massive PR hit.
Negotiate with the colleges and universities to increase their payments in lieu of taxes, and if they won't agree, then increase the cost of services to them.This is similar to what the Dems are doing on health care - they (and others who looked at it, including John McCain before the election) want to tax high-end individual health care plans, without being accused of increasing taxes.
Fine, so they'll go after the middlemen instead with an excise tax.
Chances are the middlemen will pass the costs on to consumers, but hey, that's their decision not the government's.Maybe the mayor is acknowledging that he doesn't know how to negotiate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184308</id>
	<title>Who is going to tax my tax?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258819620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see why we don't just pay taxes for our taxes that way it covers the cost of the tax process otherwise how can we afford to tax people?</p><p>There is a lot of people breathing air... for free no less and should be taxed on it.</p><p>Also babies consume a lot and produce tons of rubbish every year, they contribute nothing back to society and yet are a major burden, I think we should impose a tax on them to cover some of there expenses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see why we do n't just pay taxes for our taxes that way it covers the cost of the tax process otherwise how can we afford to tax people ? There is a lot of people breathing air... for free no less and should be taxed on it.Also babies consume a lot and produce tons of rubbish every year , they contribute nothing back to society and yet are a major burden , I think we should impose a tax on them to cover some of there expenses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see why we don't just pay taxes for our taxes that way it covers the cost of the tax process otherwise how can we afford to tax people?There is a lot of people breathing air... for free no less and should be taxed on it.Also babies consume a lot and produce tons of rubbish every year, they contribute nothing back to society and yet are a major burden, I think we should impose a tax on them to cover some of there expenses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184228</id>
	<title>At least they are honest</title>
	<author>kingduct</author>
	<datestamp>1258818900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, at least they're calling it a tax. In California they call it "raising fees." Either way, it seems like politicians are never willing to tax the rich, but are happy to jack up taxes on the young.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , at least they 're calling it a tax .
In California they call it " raising fees .
" Either way , it seems like politicians are never willing to tax the rich , but are happy to jack up taxes on the young .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, at least they're calling it a tax.
In California they call it "raising fees.
" Either way, it seems like politicians are never willing to tax the rich, but are happy to jack up taxes on the young.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184214</id>
	<title>OLD NEWS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258818720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>he plan was rejected. its old news. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09322/1014321-53.stm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>he plan was rejected .
its old news .
http : //www.post-gazette.com/pg/09322/1014321-53.stm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>he plan was rejected.
its old news.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09322/1014321-53.stm</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184376</id>
	<title>Re:dumb idea</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1258820220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course plenty of individuals will 'care' (most of whom will probably bitch about it while consuming alcohol, maybe 5 or something will switch schools), but in aggregate, CMU will have zero problems achieving full enrollment, regardless of this tax.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course plenty of individuals will 'care ' ( most of whom will probably bitch about it while consuming alcohol , maybe 5 or something will switch schools ) , but in aggregate , CMU will have zero problems achieving full enrollment , regardless of this tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course plenty of individuals will 'care' (most of whom will probably bitch about it while consuming alcohol, maybe 5 or something will switch schools), but in aggregate, CMU will have zero problems achieving full enrollment, regardless of this tax.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184112</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184124</id>
	<title>wow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258818000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Something is really wrong when you tax a student while just having given massive tax cuts to the very rich in the last 7 years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Something is really wrong when you tax a student while just having given massive tax cuts to the very rich in the last 7 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something is really wrong when you tax a student while just having given massive tax cuts to the very rich in the last 7 years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184238</id>
	<title>Re:Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258819020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, if you are an out of state resident, you are paying something like close to ten times the price for school than if you are from the state.... the reasoning behind?.... I've heard people from schools state that it is because you don't pay taxes in the state.</p><p>And... if you get in state tuition at a lower price... that means that you have lived in the state... and probably paid taxes all your life...</p><p>So what's the deal now with the"burden" the students create?... either you paid taxes all your life... or you are paying close to ten times the amount of money your other in state citizens pay...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , if you are an out of state resident , you are paying something like close to ten times the price for school than if you are from the state.... the reasoning behind ? ... .
I 've heard people from schools state that it is because you do n't pay taxes in the state.And... if you get in state tuition at a lower price... that means that you have lived in the state... and probably paid taxes all your life...So what 's the deal now with the " burden " the students create ? .. .
either you paid taxes all your life... or you are paying close to ten times the amount of money your other in state citizens pay.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, if you are an out of state resident, you are paying something like close to ten times the price for school than if you are from the state.... the reasoning behind?....
I've heard people from schools state that it is because you don't pay taxes in the state.And... if you get in state tuition at a lower price... that means that you have lived in the state... and probably paid taxes all your life...So what's the deal now with the"burden" the students create?...
either you paid taxes all your life... or you are paying close to ten times the amount of money your other in state citizens pay...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183952</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30188028</id>
	<title>Re:dumb idea</title>
	<author>ajlisows</author>
	<datestamp>1258799340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I assume they are talking about State Schools, which is really confusing....</p><p>Step 1: Taxes are collected from the populace and some of the money is allocated to colleges.</p><p>Step 2: People enroll in college and get a tuition bill.  They pay tax on their tuition bill.</p><p>Step 3: The taxes are collected from the tuition payments.  Some of the money is allocated to the colleges....</p><p>Am I missing something here or would it just be easier to LOWER taxes for everyone else, give less funding to the Universities, and have the Universities charge higher tuition....  This way just seems like a plan to make the bureaucracy larger....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I assume they are talking about State Schools , which is really confusing....Step 1 : Taxes are collected from the populace and some of the money is allocated to colleges.Step 2 : People enroll in college and get a tuition bill .
They pay tax on their tuition bill.Step 3 : The taxes are collected from the tuition payments .
Some of the money is allocated to the colleges....Am I missing something here or would it just be easier to LOWER taxes for everyone else , give less funding to the Universities , and have the Universities charge higher tuition.... This way just seems like a plan to make the bureaucracy larger... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I assume they are talking about State Schools, which is really confusing....Step 1: Taxes are collected from the populace and some of the money is allocated to colleges.Step 2: People enroll in college and get a tuition bill.
They pay tax on their tuition bill.Step 3: The taxes are collected from the tuition payments.
Some of the money is allocated to the colleges....Am I missing something here or would it just be easier to LOWER taxes for everyone else, give less funding to the Universities, and have the Universities charge higher tuition....  This way just seems like a plan to make the bureaucracy larger....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184112</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184824</id>
	<title>Re:Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>smchris</author>
	<datestamp>1258822800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But is it dependable?  Town I grew up in had first choice a hundred years ago of a community college or a soldiers retirement home.  They took the retirement home.  The community college has since closed in that town but there are always more soldiers and they need liquor as much as students.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But is it dependable ?
Town I grew up in had first choice a hundred years ago of a community college or a soldiers retirement home .
They took the retirement home .
The community college has since closed in that town but there are always more soldiers and they need liquor as much as students .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But is it dependable?
Town I grew up in had first choice a hundred years ago of a community college or a soldiers retirement home.
They took the retirement home.
The community college has since closed in that town but there are always more soldiers and they need liquor as much as students.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183952</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184148</id>
	<title>Re:dumb idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258818120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My kid goes to a university that "costs" $28k per year. But after scholarships, financial aid, etc, the cost is only $14k.</p><p>I happen to also live on $28k per year after paying taxes and I can tell you that $400 is a significant chunk of change.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My kid goes to a university that " costs " $ 28k per year .
But after scholarships , financial aid , etc , the cost is only $ 14k.I happen to also live on $ 28k per year after paying taxes and I can tell you that $ 400 is a significant chunk of change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My kid goes to a university that "costs" $28k per year.
But after scholarships, financial aid, etc, the cost is only $14k.I happen to also live on $28k per year after paying taxes and I can tell you that $400 is a significant chunk of change.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183994</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185134</id>
	<title>Re:Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>Smallpond</author>
	<datestamp>1258824720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CMU already has a private security force, maintains private roads, pays for garbage collection and pays the salaries for police details when they use public spaces. What makes you think they don't pay market rates for sewer and water?  You think they are free?  Private property owners near a university have higher than average property values due to the demand from students and staff.  They would drop dramatically if the university left.  You think that would make the owners happy?  You should consider getting a college education.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CMU already has a private security force , maintains private roads , pays for garbage collection and pays the salaries for police details when they use public spaces .
What makes you think they do n't pay market rates for sewer and water ?
You think they are free ?
Private property owners near a university have higher than average property values due to the demand from students and staff .
They would drop dramatically if the university left .
You think that would make the owners happy ?
You should consider getting a college education .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CMU already has a private security force, maintains private roads, pays for garbage collection and pays the salaries for police details when they use public spaces.
What makes you think they don't pay market rates for sewer and water?
You think they are free?
Private property owners near a university have higher than average property values due to the demand from students and staff.
They would drop dramatically if the university left.
You think that would make the owners happy?
You should consider getting a college education.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184288</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30186392</id>
	<title>Russian Roulette</title>
	<author>athlon02</author>
	<datestamp>1258832220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone else starting to get the impression that politicians across the country (especially federal ones) LIKE playing Russian Roulette with their careers lately?</p><p>I say vote them out... if you don't represent ME and MY FELLOW constituents, then you have no business holding your office.  To such politicians I say, "Consider yourself fired."</p><p>&lt;/venting&gt;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone else starting to get the impression that politicians across the country ( especially federal ones ) LIKE playing Russian Roulette with their careers lately ? I say vote them out... if you do n't represent ME and MY FELLOW constituents , then you have no business holding your office .
To such politicians I say , " Consider yourself fired .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone else starting to get the impression that politicians across the country (especially federal ones) LIKE playing Russian Roulette with their careers lately?I say vote them out... if you don't represent ME and MY FELLOW constituents, then you have no business holding your office.
To such politicians I say, "Consider yourself fired.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30188510</id>
	<title>Re:Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258802700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>While it's true that the students don't pay regular taxes like other residents, what about the fact that they bring a huge amount of disposable income and spend it in the city? The money goes to the local businesses, who in turn pay taxes on their revenue. Seems fair enough to me.</p></div><p>Take a little of that disposable income and pay the taxes needed to the city.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>While it 's true that the students do n't pay regular taxes like other residents , what about the fact that they bring a huge amount of disposable income and spend it in the city ?
The money goes to the local businesses , who in turn pay taxes on their revenue .
Seems fair enough to me.Take a little of that disposable income and pay the taxes needed to the city .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While it's true that the students don't pay regular taxes like other residents, what about the fact that they bring a huge amount of disposable income and spend it in the city?
The money goes to the local businesses, who in turn pay taxes on their revenue.
Seems fair enough to me.Take a little of that disposable income and pay the taxes needed to the city.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183952</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30189518</id>
	<title>Re:Short Sighted</title>
	<author>Werthless5</author>
	<datestamp>1258810140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Arizona State is a shit school anyway, U OF A!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Arizona State is a shit school anyway , U OF A !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Arizona State is a shit school anyway, U OF A!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184812</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185800</id>
	<title>A reality check....</title>
	<author>ibm1130</author>
	<datestamp>1258828320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to the real world kiddies. Mayhap this'll cause a few budding socialists to reconsider their stance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to the real world kiddies .
Mayhap this 'll cause a few budding socialists to reconsider their stance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to the real world kiddies.
Mayhap this'll cause a few budding socialists to reconsider their stance.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184310</id>
	<title>Re:Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>dogmatixpsych</author>
	<datestamp>1258819620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not meaning my comment as a troll but the point you made is one many Democratic politicians do not seem to understand. I'm sure there are many Republicans who do not understand this either. Politicians just often have a very limited view of tax revenue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not meaning my comment as a troll but the point you made is one many Democratic politicians do not seem to understand .
I 'm sure there are many Republicans who do not understand this either .
Politicians just often have a very limited view of tax revenue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not meaning my comment as a troll but the point you made is one many Democratic politicians do not seem to understand.
I'm sure there are many Republicans who do not understand this either.
Politicians just often have a very limited view of tax revenue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183952</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185244</id>
	<title>Translation:</title>
	<author>kheldan</author>
	<datestamp>1258825200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"We're broke like everybody else and are trying to make money any way we can. Sucks to be you, college students."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" We 're broke like everybody else and are trying to make money any way we can .
Sucks to be you , college students .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We're broke like everybody else and are trying to make money any way we can.
Sucks to be you, college students.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185030</id>
	<title>Re:I'm no master politician but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258824060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"...wouldn't just raising the booze tax accomplish the same thing?"</p><p>No.  A booze tax would seem to be targeting the poor or working class bloke who wants a relaxing drink or drown his sorrows away for a bit.</p><p>A tuition tax is a tax of the rich and privileged kids that go to college, a perception still held in the US rightly or wrongly.  For all those that have been attacking the wealthy and rich indiscriminately in this economic downturn and yet who rightly wish to get educated, improve themselves, and aspire to good jobs, the other shoe has dropped.</p><p>btw, my much smaller city in Pennsylvania has at least a couple of colleges or universities.  We are happy for the income and business, the only real complaint most residents have is of the noise and even there, we recognize it's a few bad apples being inconsiderate, or impotent, pass-by vandalism (i.e. tuner engine noise from the wannabe gearheads or the dicks that pass through the neighborhood blasting their bass you can hear 5 blocks away day or night) where one person causes issues for 20 some local residents because he wants to be a peacock waiting at a red light.  (Most college kids aren't that stupid anyway; even if one had a bad mentality, they recognize advertising your whereabouts with wrongdoing is idiotic to future devious and profitable endeavor.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...would n't just raising the booze tax accomplish the same thing ? " No .
A booze tax would seem to be targeting the poor or working class bloke who wants a relaxing drink or drown his sorrows away for a bit.A tuition tax is a tax of the rich and privileged kids that go to college , a perception still held in the US rightly or wrongly .
For all those that have been attacking the wealthy and rich indiscriminately in this economic downturn and yet who rightly wish to get educated , improve themselves , and aspire to good jobs , the other shoe has dropped.btw , my much smaller city in Pennsylvania has at least a couple of colleges or universities .
We are happy for the income and business , the only real complaint most residents have is of the noise and even there , we recognize it 's a few bad apples being inconsiderate , or impotent , pass-by vandalism ( i.e .
tuner engine noise from the wannabe gearheads or the dicks that pass through the neighborhood blasting their bass you can hear 5 blocks away day or night ) where one person causes issues for 20 some local residents because he wants to be a peacock waiting at a red light .
( Most college kids are n't that stupid anyway ; even if one had a bad mentality , they recognize advertising your whereabouts with wrongdoing is idiotic to future devious and profitable endeavor .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...wouldn't just raising the booze tax accomplish the same thing?"No.
A booze tax would seem to be targeting the poor or working class bloke who wants a relaxing drink or drown his sorrows away for a bit.A tuition tax is a tax of the rich and privileged kids that go to college, a perception still held in the US rightly or wrongly.
For all those that have been attacking the wealthy and rich indiscriminately in this economic downturn and yet who rightly wish to get educated, improve themselves, and aspire to good jobs, the other shoe has dropped.btw, my much smaller city in Pennsylvania has at least a couple of colleges or universities.
We are happy for the income and business, the only real complaint most residents have is of the noise and even there, we recognize it's a few bad apples being inconsiderate, or impotent, pass-by vandalism (i.e.
tuner engine noise from the wannabe gearheads or the dicks that pass through the neighborhood blasting their bass you can hear 5 blocks away day or night) where one person causes issues for 20 some local residents because he wants to be a peacock waiting at a red light.
(Most college kids aren't that stupid anyway; even if one had a bad mentality, they recognize advertising your whereabouts with wrongdoing is idiotic to future devious and profitable endeavor.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183978</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185058</id>
	<title>Re:The whole story...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258824240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are many problems with your comment:<br>1. The schools and hospitals do pay for water and sewage services.<br>2. The city had negotiated payments in lieu of taxes from these non-profits. These proposals have caused these payments to be withheld until this matter is resolved.<br>3. The schools, especially the University of Pittsburgh, have their own security services and they actually provide much of the police protection for the areas around Pitt, Carnegie Mellon, and nearby schools and hospitals.<br>4. There is no provision under state law for such a city tax and it is therefore blatantly illegal.<br>5. His tax proposals also apply to students at purely public institutions such as the Community College of Allegheny County.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are many problems with your comment : 1 .
The schools and hospitals do pay for water and sewage services.2 .
The city had negotiated payments in lieu of taxes from these non-profits .
These proposals have caused these payments to be withheld until this matter is resolved.3 .
The schools , especially the University of Pittsburgh , have their own security services and they actually provide much of the police protection for the areas around Pitt , Carnegie Mellon , and nearby schools and hospitals.4 .
There is no provision under state law for such a city tax and it is therefore blatantly illegal.5 .
His tax proposals also apply to students at purely public institutions such as the Community College of Allegheny County .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are many problems with your comment:1.
The schools and hospitals do pay for water and sewage services.2.
The city had negotiated payments in lieu of taxes from these non-profits.
These proposals have caused these payments to be withheld until this matter is resolved.3.
The schools, especially the University of Pittsburgh, have their own security services and they actually provide much of the police protection for the areas around Pitt, Carnegie Mellon, and nearby schools and hospitals.4.
There is no provision under state law for such a city tax and it is therefore blatantly illegal.5.
His tax proposals also apply to students at purely public institutions such as the Community College of Allegheny County.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185040</id>
	<title>wow</title>
	<author>billy8988</author>
	<datestamp>1258824180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a person from Pittsburgh, I cannot believe this.<br>Why would you want to hurt the hand that feeds you...literally?<br>If you look at all the rust belt cities (Cleveland, Detroit, Buffalo, Toledo), Pittsburgh is still up and its unemployment rate is well below these cities and the national average. (http://www.bls.gov/ro3/urpitt.htm)<br>Primary reason behind these numbers is CMU and Pitt. I have worked with 6 different IT companies here and they are all offshoots of CMU. Google, Apple, Seagate, etc. have their R&amp;D site here because of CMU.</p><p>Agreed, they need to find some new sources of income for the city with dwindling income tax income...but this should not be way. But, these politicians are SMART...they chose one group to hurt where that group doesn't have no or significant voting power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a person from Pittsburgh , I can not believe this.Why would you want to hurt the hand that feeds you...literally ? If you look at all the rust belt cities ( Cleveland , Detroit , Buffalo , Toledo ) , Pittsburgh is still up and its unemployment rate is well below these cities and the national average .
( http : //www.bls.gov/ro3/urpitt.htm ) Primary reason behind these numbers is CMU and Pitt .
I have worked with 6 different IT companies here and they are all offshoots of CMU .
Google , Apple , Seagate , etc .
have their R&amp;D site here because of CMU.Agreed , they need to find some new sources of income for the city with dwindling income tax income...but this should not be way .
But , these politicians are SMART...they chose one group to hurt where that group does n't have no or significant voting power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a person from Pittsburgh, I cannot believe this.Why would you want to hurt the hand that feeds you...literally?If you look at all the rust belt cities (Cleveland, Detroit, Buffalo, Toledo), Pittsburgh is still up and its unemployment rate is well below these cities and the national average.
(http://www.bls.gov/ro3/urpitt.htm)Primary reason behind these numbers is CMU and Pitt.
I have worked with 6 different IT companies here and they are all offshoots of CMU.
Google, Apple, Seagate, etc.
have their R&amp;D site here because of CMU.Agreed, they need to find some new sources of income for the city with dwindling income tax income...but this should not be way.
But, these politicians are SMART...they chose one group to hurt where that group doesn't have no or significant voting power.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183976</id>
	<title>Wrong!</title>
	<author>amiga3D</author>
	<datestamp>1258816800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Students bring tons of money into an area.  This fool is going to drive the students to another city.  Heh....I wonder if he talked it over with the Universities before he did it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Students bring tons of money into an area .
This fool is going to drive the students to another city .
Heh....I wonder if he talked it over with the Universities before he did it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Students bring tons of money into an area.
This fool is going to drive the students to another city.
Heh....I wonder if he talked it over with the Universities before he did it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184208</id>
	<title>Who else can we tax?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258818660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have always lived under the assumption that our young people need to be<br>able study and when they are finished they start earning their share in society (so then they start paying taxes).</p><p>So, if that is not true, then i think we should re-institute child-labor so children can pay taxes too!<br>A 4 year old can make great sweaters!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have always lived under the assumption that our young people need to beable study and when they are finished they start earning their share in society ( so then they start paying taxes ) .So , if that is not true , then i think we should re-institute child-labor so children can pay taxes too ! A 4 year old can make great sweaters !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have always lived under the assumption that our young people need to beable study and when they are finished they start earning their share in society (so then they start paying taxes).So, if that is not true, then i think we should re-institute child-labor so children can pay taxes too!A 4 year old can make great sweaters!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30188678</id>
	<title>sales tax?</title>
	<author>brillow</author>
	<datestamp>1258803780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Someone should compute how much student's contribute to total sales tax revenues.  I am certain that students bring in more money to the city and average residents.  These are people who get money from OUTSIDE PGH, and bring it INSIDE PGH.  Students are little money importers.

I am sure people say "oh its just $400",  for most students with a part-time job, that could be 2 mos pay.

Plus, it unfairly discriminates against students with higher academic achievement who go to more expensive universities.

Linking it to tuition seems retarded.  It seems to imply that students who pay more tuition use more city resources?  So a full time student at Pitt uses more than one at CMU?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone should compute how much student 's contribute to total sales tax revenues .
I am certain that students bring in more money to the city and average residents .
These are people who get money from OUTSIDE PGH , and bring it INSIDE PGH .
Students are little money importers .
I am sure people say " oh its just $ 400 " , for most students with a part-time job , that could be 2 mos pay .
Plus , it unfairly discriminates against students with higher academic achievement who go to more expensive universities .
Linking it to tuition seems retarded .
It seems to imply that students who pay more tuition use more city resources ?
So a full time student at Pitt uses more than one at CMU ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone should compute how much student's contribute to total sales tax revenues.
I am certain that students bring in more money to the city and average residents.
These are people who get money from OUTSIDE PGH, and bring it INSIDE PGH.
Students are little money importers.
I am sure people say "oh its just $400",  for most students with a part-time job, that could be 2 mos pay.
Plus, it unfairly discriminates against students with higher academic achievement who go to more expensive universities.
Linking it to tuition seems retarded.
It seems to imply that students who pay more tuition use more city resources?
So a full time student at Pitt uses more than one at CMU?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184196</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong!</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1258818600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure how that compares to the money other people bring, and to the costs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure how that compares to the money other people bring , and to the costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure how that compares to the money other people bring, and to the costs.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184218</id>
	<title>How about some other ideas?</title>
	<author>SleepyHappyDoc</author>
	<datestamp>1258818780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not a politician tax, somewhere around 1\% of their annual income, for the privilege of being a politician?</p><p>If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not a politician tax , somewhere around 1 \ % of their annual income , for the privilege of being a politician ? If it 's good for the goose , it 's good for the gander .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not a politician tax, somewhere around 1\% of their annual income, for the privilege of being a politician?If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30190610</id>
	<title>It's the tax base, dummy!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the problems with Pittsburgh is due to the way the city boundaries were laid out long ago.  There are still many high (relatively) high paying jobs within in the city limits, but there are all these "magic lines" due to the dozens of municipalities and towns around the actual "city of Pittsburgh", so down-town workers move out to the areas where the taxes are lower.  Yet many of these commuters still make "some" use of city services, or at least, indirectly benefit from things that exist only because of the downtown core.  You don't have the same kind of problem in a place where the city boundaries are huge, effectively spanning the range of most daily commuters.  The current situation leads to an incentive where the tax base and the users of the tax-funded infrastructure/entities no longer match-up.  People who can move out of the city to lower taxes and better schools, city schools get worse, city property values go down, universities and hospitals buy up land on the cheap, city revenue goes down, cycle continues...</p><p>The real solution is to equalize the taxes in the downtown region and surrounding areas, but today that spans dozens of city governments.  You should see the documentary about the problems with the regional sewer system - same basic root cause.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the problems with Pittsburgh is due to the way the city boundaries were laid out long ago .
There are still many high ( relatively ) high paying jobs within in the city limits , but there are all these " magic lines " due to the dozens of municipalities and towns around the actual " city of Pittsburgh " , so down-town workers move out to the areas where the taxes are lower .
Yet many of these commuters still make " some " use of city services , or at least , indirectly benefit from things that exist only because of the downtown core .
You do n't have the same kind of problem in a place where the city boundaries are huge , effectively spanning the range of most daily commuters .
The current situation leads to an incentive where the tax base and the users of the tax-funded infrastructure/entities no longer match-up .
People who can move out of the city to lower taxes and better schools , city schools get worse , city property values go down , universities and hospitals buy up land on the cheap , city revenue goes down , cycle continues...The real solution is to equalize the taxes in the downtown region and surrounding areas , but today that spans dozens of city governments .
You should see the documentary about the problems with the regional sewer system - same basic root cause .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the problems with Pittsburgh is due to the way the city boundaries were laid out long ago.
There are still many high (relatively) high paying jobs within in the city limits, but there are all these "magic lines" due to the dozens of municipalities and towns around the actual "city of Pittsburgh", so down-town workers move out to the areas where the taxes are lower.
Yet many of these commuters still make "some" use of city services, or at least, indirectly benefit from things that exist only because of the downtown core.
You don't have the same kind of problem in a place where the city boundaries are huge, effectively spanning the range of most daily commuters.
The current situation leads to an incentive where the tax base and the users of the tax-funded infrastructure/entities no longer match-up.
People who can move out of the city to lower taxes and better schools, city schools get worse, city property values go down, universities and hospitals buy up land on the cheap, city revenue goes down, cycle continues...The real solution is to equalize the taxes in the downtown region and surrounding areas, but today that spans dozens of city governments.
You should see the documentary about the problems with the regional sewer system - same basic root cause.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30187778</id>
	<title>Re:Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>DarkSabreLord</author>
	<datestamp>1258797660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Students already pay for the "services" we use...a huge number of CMU and UPitt students live off-campus after their freshman year, which means all utilities/etc are taxed normally.  These schools also charge their students $40/year (which goes to the city) to allow students to get onto city buses for "free" anytime.  Student life is hard enough as it is, This is just an asinine short-sighted attempt to make some quick cash.  If this gets enacted universities and students are going to remember it for a long, long time.  I'm sure the damage to the city's reputation is going to take a much worse hit than the simple increase in revenue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Students already pay for the " services " we use...a huge number of CMU and UPitt students live off-campus after their freshman year , which means all utilities/etc are taxed normally .
These schools also charge their students $ 40/year ( which goes to the city ) to allow students to get onto city buses for " free " anytime .
Student life is hard enough as it is , This is just an asinine short-sighted attempt to make some quick cash .
If this gets enacted universities and students are going to remember it for a long , long time .
I 'm sure the damage to the city 's reputation is going to take a much worse hit than the simple increase in revenue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Students already pay for the "services" we use...a huge number of CMU and UPitt students live off-campus after their freshman year, which means all utilities/etc are taxed normally.
These schools also charge their students $40/year (which goes to the city) to allow students to get onto city buses for "free" anytime.
Student life is hard enough as it is, This is just an asinine short-sighted attempt to make some quick cash.
If this gets enacted universities and students are going to remember it for a long, long time.
I'm sure the damage to the city's reputation is going to take a much worse hit than the simple increase in revenue.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30186292</id>
	<title>Re:wow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258831680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Something is really wrong when you tax a student while just having given massive tax cuts to the very rich in the last 7 years.</p></div><p>I would suggest that even after those *massive* tax cuts to the *rich* that the *rich* end up paying far more than their fair share (i.e. more than the value of the services they receive).  One of the problems in the US is that a relatively small percentage of the people (the so called rich) end up paying the vast majority of the taxes.  This situation is unsustainable.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Something is really wrong when you tax a student while just having given massive tax cuts to the very rich in the last 7 years.I would suggest that even after those * massive * tax cuts to the * rich * that the * rich * end up paying far more than their fair share ( i.e .
more than the value of the services they receive ) .
One of the problems in the US is that a relatively small percentage of the people ( the so called rich ) end up paying the vast majority of the taxes .
This situation is unsustainable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something is really wrong when you tax a student while just having given massive tax cuts to the very rich in the last 7 years.I would suggest that even after those *massive* tax cuts to the *rich* that the *rich* end up paying far more than their fair share (i.e.
more than the value of the services they receive).
One of the problems in the US is that a relatively small percentage of the people (the so called rich) end up paying the vast majority of the taxes.
This situation is unsustainable.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184124</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30189632</id>
	<title>germany  usa</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258811040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>in germany the students are complaining they have to pay 600&euro;-800&euro; a year.<br>and thats all you have to pay to study in germany.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>in germany the students are complaining they have to pay 600    -800    a year.and thats all you have to pay to study in germany .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in germany the students are complaining they have to pay 600€-800€ a year.and thats all you have to pay to study in germany.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184200</id>
	<title>Why don't they tax. . .</title>
	<author>RazorSharp</author>
	<datestamp>1258818600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>terrible towels? A 5-10\% excise tax on terrible towels would probably bring in millions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>terrible towels ?
A 5-10 \ % excise tax on terrible towels would probably bring in millions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>terrible towels?
A 5-10\% excise tax on terrible towels would probably bring in millions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30186602</id>
	<title>Why does history have to keep repeating itself?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258833420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This country is sounding more and more like every period history class. The rich increasingly refuse to pay any taxes. In response, the government, powerless against said rich people, turn on the poor even more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This country is sounding more and more like every period history class .
The rich increasingly refuse to pay any taxes .
In response , the government , powerless against said rich people , turn on the poor even more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This country is sounding more and more like every period history class.
The rich increasingly refuse to pay any taxes.
In response, the government, powerless against said rich people, turn on the poor even more.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184292</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong!</title>
	<author>CastrTroy</author>
	<datestamp>1258819500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also, many students who go to school in a city, are more likely to stay in that city to work.  If you don't have any college graduates living in your city, your city will quickly devolve into an uneducated mess.  I learned that playing SimCity.  Surely they can figure this one out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , many students who go to school in a city , are more likely to stay in that city to work .
If you do n't have any college graduates living in your city , your city will quickly devolve into an uneducated mess .
I learned that playing SimCity .
Surely they can figure this one out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, many students who go to school in a city, are more likely to stay in that city to work.
If you don't have any college graduates living in your city, your city will quickly devolve into an uneducated mess.
I learned that playing SimCity.
Surely they can figure this one out.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184372</id>
	<title>US doens't want students</title>
	<author>googlesmith123</author>
	<datestamp>1258820220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>In a time such as ours. Where so many people are loosing their jobs. And most of the people who lose their jobs have no education. Why then would your want to tax people trying to get an education when you know how much more tax a person with an education is going to pay than a person without an eduction.<br> <br>In Norway for instance education is free. Yes FREE. We have excellent universities. For instance, Oslo University ranks at 101 at topuniversities.com. Not only though is it free to study, but the government pays you around 15000 NOK for every semester you complete (for full time students) (2 semesters a year). And not only that, but they give your a further 30000 NOK in loans (per semester) that are interest free until 1 year after you complete your studies.<br> <br>The way the US treats it's people still puzzles me. Surely putting a strain on people who already have little money to live for just sounds like greed to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In a time such as ours .
Where so many people are loosing their jobs .
And most of the people who lose their jobs have no education .
Why then would your want to tax people trying to get an education when you know how much more tax a person with an education is going to pay than a person without an eduction .
In Norway for instance education is free .
Yes FREE .
We have excellent universities .
For instance , Oslo University ranks at 101 at topuniversities.com .
Not only though is it free to study , but the government pays you around 15000 NOK for every semester you complete ( for full time students ) ( 2 semesters a year ) .
And not only that , but they give your a further 30000 NOK in loans ( per semester ) that are interest free until 1 year after you complete your studies .
The way the US treats it 's people still puzzles me .
Surely putting a strain on people who already have little money to live for just sounds like greed to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a time such as ours.
Where so many people are loosing their jobs.
And most of the people who lose their jobs have no education.
Why then would your want to tax people trying to get an education when you know how much more tax a person with an education is going to pay than a person without an eduction.
In Norway for instance education is free.
Yes FREE.
We have excellent universities.
For instance, Oslo University ranks at 101 at topuniversities.com.
Not only though is it free to study, but the government pays you around 15000 NOK for every semester you complete (for full time students) (2 semesters a year).
And not only that, but they give your a further 30000 NOK in loans (per semester) that are interest free until 1 year after you complete your studies.
The way the US treats it's people still puzzles me.
Surely putting a strain on people who already have little money to live for just sounds like greed to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184134</id>
	<title>I bet these students support most other taxes...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258818000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...when they apply to the "rich" or those EVIL corporations or in general to "other" people.</p><p>They quickly become libertarian when the taxman crawls up their ass.</p><p>Wait till your young healthy selfs start paying for universal healthcare.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...when they apply to the " rich " or those EVIL corporations or in general to " other " people.They quickly become libertarian when the taxman crawls up their ass.Wait till your young healthy selfs start paying for universal healthcare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...when they apply to the "rich" or those EVIL corporations or in general to "other" people.They quickly become libertarian when the taxman crawls up their ass.Wait till your young healthy selfs start paying for universal healthcare.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30186774</id>
	<title>Taxation Without Representation</title>
	<author>Stormy Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1258834500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cities love taxes that fall primarily on people who aren't permanent residents of the city, because they can hike them up whenve they need extra cash without facing any consequences in the next election.  This is why we should get rid of the 'one man one vote' idea where you can only vote where you're a permanent resident.  You should be allowed to vote in any jurisdiction you pay taxes in.  If Pittsburgh wants to tax students, then all those students should be allowed to vote in Pittsburgh municipal elections.  If DC wants to charge a commuter tax on all the people from MD and Virginia who work there, they should all be allowed to vote in DC municipal elections.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cities love taxes that fall primarily on people who are n't permanent residents of the city , because they can hike them up whenve they need extra cash without facing any consequences in the next election .
This is why we should get rid of the 'one man one vote ' idea where you can only vote where you 're a permanent resident .
You should be allowed to vote in any jurisdiction you pay taxes in .
If Pittsburgh wants to tax students , then all those students should be allowed to vote in Pittsburgh municipal elections .
If DC wants to charge a commuter tax on all the people from MD and Virginia who work there , they should all be allowed to vote in DC municipal elections .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cities love taxes that fall primarily on people who aren't permanent residents of the city, because they can hike them up whenve they need extra cash without facing any consequences in the next election.
This is why we should get rid of the 'one man one vote' idea where you can only vote where you're a permanent resident.
You should be allowed to vote in any jurisdiction you pay taxes in.
If Pittsburgh wants to tax students, then all those students should be allowed to vote in Pittsburgh municipal elections.
If DC wants to charge a commuter tax on all the people from MD and Virginia who work there, they should all be allowed to vote in DC municipal elections.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185974</id>
	<title>Seed corn</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1258829460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Eating the seed corn" is a folksy expression that means staving off hunger now by eating the seeds you need for next year's planting. I know it's a tired metaphor, but nothing in the English language comes close to describing how tragic it is when governments squeeze students. Education is what will bring us prosperity in the future. It should be the <i>last</i> think to be cut, after the military, police, fire department, road maintenance, research grants, foreign aide and pensions. When we cut education, we forgo a possibility of hardship today for the guarantee of irrelevance is decay tomorrow.</p><p>Educate your population, and you'd be amazed at how many other problems you solve along the way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Eating the seed corn " is a folksy expression that means staving off hunger now by eating the seeds you need for next year 's planting .
I know it 's a tired metaphor , but nothing in the English language comes close to describing how tragic it is when governments squeeze students .
Education is what will bring us prosperity in the future .
It should be the last think to be cut , after the military , police , fire department , road maintenance , research grants , foreign aide and pensions .
When we cut education , we forgo a possibility of hardship today for the guarantee of irrelevance is decay tomorrow.Educate your population , and you 'd be amazed at how many other problems you solve along the way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Eating the seed corn" is a folksy expression that means staving off hunger now by eating the seeds you need for next year's planting.
I know it's a tired metaphor, but nothing in the English language comes close to describing how tragic it is when governments squeeze students.
Education is what will bring us prosperity in the future.
It should be the last think to be cut, after the military, police, fire department, road maintenance, research grants, foreign aide and pensions.
When we cut education, we forgo a possibility of hardship today for the guarantee of irrelevance is decay tomorrow.Educate your population, and you'd be amazed at how many other problems you solve along the way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184120</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258818000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stop buying anything from any of the city stores.  Mail order everything and when the May0r wonders why business are starting to die in the city tell then sorry we got no money for your city we just go to school only here.  Also bet is some one looks closer at the finance's of the city government there will find some "intrsting" things they payed for under the table.</p><p>Also new people "younger" need to run for the government offices get the ahols out.</p><p>But you get what you vote for...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop buying anything from any of the city stores .
Mail order everything and when the May0r wonders why business are starting to die in the city tell then sorry we got no money for your city we just go to school only here .
Also bet is some one looks closer at the finance 's of the city government there will find some " intrsting " things they payed for under the table.Also new people " younger " need to run for the government offices get the ahols out.But you get what you vote for.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop buying anything from any of the city stores.
Mail order everything and when the May0r wonders why business are starting to die in the city tell then sorry we got no money for your city we just go to school only here.
Also bet is some one looks closer at the finance's of the city government there will find some "intrsting" things they payed for under the table.Also new people "younger" need to run for the government offices get the ahols out.But you get what you vote for...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30188250</id>
	<title>The Child Mayor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258800900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We call Luke the Child Mayor here in Pittsburgh.  He's the reflection of the local Democratic party system - ie, he's a retard who thinks the world will be perfect if we can just take enough money away from the people who are productive.  Without the educational and medical institutions, Pittsburgh would simply cease to exist except as a collection of slums.  So, yeah, that's great, let's chase away the college students and try to pry more money out of the non-profits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We call Luke the Child Mayor here in Pittsburgh .
He 's the reflection of the local Democratic party system - ie , he 's a retard who thinks the world will be perfect if we can just take enough money away from the people who are productive .
Without the educational and medical institutions , Pittsburgh would simply cease to exist except as a collection of slums .
So , yeah , that 's great , let 's chase away the college students and try to pry more money out of the non-profits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We call Luke the Child Mayor here in Pittsburgh.
He's the reflection of the local Democratic party system - ie, he's a retard who thinks the world will be perfect if we can just take enough money away from the people who are productive.
Without the educational and medical institutions, Pittsburgh would simply cease to exist except as a collection of slums.
So, yeah, that's great, let's chase away the college students and try to pry more money out of the non-profits.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30186000</id>
	<title>Re:reality: students are constantly fucked over</title>
	<author>Vu1turEMaN</author>
	<datestamp>1258829640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pitt students would be getting their tuition upped 70$ a semester, which isn't the same thing as 32\%.</p><p>Quit overreacting. We're fine here in Pittsburgh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pitt students would be getting their tuition upped 70 $ a semester , which is n't the same thing as 32 \ % .Quit overreacting .
We 're fine here in Pittsburgh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pitt students would be getting their tuition upped 70$ a semester, which isn't the same thing as 32\%.Quit overreacting.
We're fine here in Pittsburgh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30187634</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong!</title>
	<author>taybay</author>
	<datestamp>1258796820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ravenstahl was repeatedly asked to come talk to Pitt students before the election.  He agreed, but then canceled at the last minute.  Why?  Because he proposed this tax less than a week before elections.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ravenstahl was repeatedly asked to come talk to Pitt students before the election .
He agreed , but then canceled at the last minute .
Why ? Because he proposed this tax less than a week before elections .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ravenstahl was repeatedly asked to come talk to Pitt students before the election.
He agreed, but then canceled at the last minute.
Why?  Because he proposed this tax less than a week before elections.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184158</id>
	<title>Oh the Burden of Soon to be Educated and Employed</title>
	<author>knapper\_tech</author>
	<datestamp>1258818180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lifeblood sucking students who contribute nothing to society and ruthlessly download music and movies must pay their toll just like all the rest of us hard working people with income.  We all had spare change during school to throw at the municipal government.  Why can't they?<br> <br>
And while we're at it, we need to tax other non-contributing members of society who place a burden on social services.  I'm all for a tax on K-12 students, a tax on pre-schoolers, a tax on the disabled, senior citizens tax, and a tax on people who have crimes committed against them.<br> <br>After all, with all the student financing available, they'll just pay it with loans right?  So it's like we're actually taxing their future income!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lifeblood sucking students who contribute nothing to society and ruthlessly download music and movies must pay their toll just like all the rest of us hard working people with income .
We all had spare change during school to throw at the municipal government .
Why ca n't they ?
And while we 're at it , we need to tax other non-contributing members of society who place a burden on social services .
I 'm all for a tax on K-12 students , a tax on pre-schoolers , a tax on the disabled , senior citizens tax , and a tax on people who have crimes committed against them .
After all , with all the student financing available , they 'll just pay it with loans right ?
So it 's like we 're actually taxing their future income !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lifeblood sucking students who contribute nothing to society and ruthlessly download music and movies must pay their toll just like all the rest of us hard working people with income.
We all had spare change during school to throw at the municipal government.
Why can't they?
And while we're at it, we need to tax other non-contributing members of society who place a burden on social services.
I'm all for a tax on K-12 students, a tax on pre-schoolers, a tax on the disabled, senior citizens tax, and a tax on people who have crimes committed against them.
After all, with all the student financing available, they'll just pay it with loans right?
So it's like we're actually taxing their future income!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185908</id>
	<title>Yins listen here....</title>
	<author>Vu1turEMaN</author>
	<datestamp>1258829040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in a Pittsburgh suburb (Moon, near the airport) and work 2 jobs in the city, as well as go to school.</p><p>Pittsburgh is a city that is probably HALF non-profits and universities. We have more non-profits located here than some states, and if you took away Pitt/UPMC/Carnegie Mellon/Carlow/Duquesne you would lose a gigantic chunk of the city.</p><p>We value all of this. We love it. Our work environment, lifestyles, cheap housing, cost of living, and most of all our small-town feel.</p><p>Firstly, let me discuss the reason why the Mayor is doing this: City council previously intended to tax the non-profits of our city. That's a HUGE no-no related to public power. The Mayor vetoed it. This is his counter-proposal. A 1\% tax is absolutely nothing to students. We already get all of that in free benefits that most other college students can only dream of.</p><p>Slashdot comments can sit there and bash our Mayor all fucking day long, but what he's doing is necessary for the continued health of our city. We watch out asses early and keep ourselves afloat. We don't want to be the next big money-maker Manhattan, but we sure as hell want to keep our identity: a green, small-town port of opportunity for ANY business type. We thrive in the medical, green, and tech fields. We're the fucking definition of sustainability in a US city. And if Ohio would only be blown off the map, our air quality would be amazing.</p><p>For<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. armchair hippies, we should SURELY revolt!!!! RAWR!!! Um...no. We're quite happy, and if the city needs to tax half of its 'residents' by upping tuition prices a little, so be it...We're happy to help the city.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in a Pittsburgh suburb ( Moon , near the airport ) and work 2 jobs in the city , as well as go to school.Pittsburgh is a city that is probably HALF non-profits and universities .
We have more non-profits located here than some states , and if you took away Pitt/UPMC/Carnegie Mellon/Carlow/Duquesne you would lose a gigantic chunk of the city.We value all of this .
We love it .
Our work environment , lifestyles , cheap housing , cost of living , and most of all our small-town feel.Firstly , let me discuss the reason why the Mayor is doing this : City council previously intended to tax the non-profits of our city .
That 's a HUGE no-no related to public power .
The Mayor vetoed it .
This is his counter-proposal .
A 1 \ % tax is absolutely nothing to students .
We already get all of that in free benefits that most other college students can only dream of.Slashdot comments can sit there and bash our Mayor all fucking day long , but what he 's doing is necessary for the continued health of our city .
We watch out asses early and keep ourselves afloat .
We do n't want to be the next big money-maker Manhattan , but we sure as hell want to keep our identity : a green , small-town port of opportunity for ANY business type .
We thrive in the medical , green , and tech fields .
We 're the fucking definition of sustainability in a US city .
And if Ohio would only be blown off the map , our air quality would be amazing.For / .
armchair hippies , we should SURELY revolt ! ! ! !
RAWR ! ! ! Um...no .
We 're quite happy , and if the city needs to tax half of its 'residents ' by upping tuition prices a little , so be it...We 're happy to help the city .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in a Pittsburgh suburb (Moon, near the airport) and work 2 jobs in the city, as well as go to school.Pittsburgh is a city that is probably HALF non-profits and universities.
We have more non-profits located here than some states, and if you took away Pitt/UPMC/Carnegie Mellon/Carlow/Duquesne you would lose a gigantic chunk of the city.We value all of this.
We love it.
Our work environment, lifestyles, cheap housing, cost of living, and most of all our small-town feel.Firstly, let me discuss the reason why the Mayor is doing this: City council previously intended to tax the non-profits of our city.
That's a HUGE no-no related to public power.
The Mayor vetoed it.
This is his counter-proposal.
A 1\% tax is absolutely nothing to students.
We already get all of that in free benefits that most other college students can only dream of.Slashdot comments can sit there and bash our Mayor all fucking day long, but what he's doing is necessary for the continued health of our city.
We watch out asses early and keep ourselves afloat.
We don't want to be the next big money-maker Manhattan, but we sure as hell want to keep our identity: a green, small-town port of opportunity for ANY business type.
We thrive in the medical, green, and tech fields.
We're the fucking definition of sustainability in a US city.
And if Ohio would only be blown off the map, our air quality would be amazing.For /.
armchair hippies, we should SURELY revolt!!!!
RAWR!!! Um...no.
We're quite happy, and if the city needs to tax half of its 'residents' by upping tuition prices a little, so be it...We're happy to help the city.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30187380</id>
	<title>Re:wow</title>
	<author>Totenglocke</author>
	<datestamp>1258795320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Something is wrong when you think that the more a person makes, the larger a portion of their income should be taken away from them.</p><p>Liberals always want to try to claim that it's ok to punish people for being successful because it makes them pay "their faire share" - yet only about half of the people in the US even pay income taxes anymore and of those, the top 10\% pays the majority of the taxes.  That is not fair in the slightest.  A flat tax rate of X\% for everyone would be fair - then the more you make, the more you pay in taxes - but the portion of your income lost is still the same, therefore it's fair.</p><p>If the tax rate for everyone is 10\%, then someone making $20,000 a year pays only $2,000 in taxes.  Someone making $200,000 pays $20,000 in taxes - see how they still pay way more?  It's not even remotely fair to claim that someone making $200,000 should have to pay $60,000+.</p><p>Before we get the people trying to claim I'm rich, at the end of the year I"ll have made about $25,000 for the year - so I'm far from rich - I just understand that it's not fair to take away a larger portion of a persons income just because they make more than you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Something is wrong when you think that the more a person makes , the larger a portion of their income should be taken away from them.Liberals always want to try to claim that it 's ok to punish people for being successful because it makes them pay " their faire share " - yet only about half of the people in the US even pay income taxes anymore and of those , the top 10 \ % pays the majority of the taxes .
That is not fair in the slightest .
A flat tax rate of X \ % for everyone would be fair - then the more you make , the more you pay in taxes - but the portion of your income lost is still the same , therefore it 's fair.If the tax rate for everyone is 10 \ % , then someone making $ 20,000 a year pays only $ 2,000 in taxes .
Someone making $ 200,000 pays $ 20,000 in taxes - see how they still pay way more ?
It 's not even remotely fair to claim that someone making $ 200,000 should have to pay $ 60,000 + .Before we get the people trying to claim I 'm rich , at the end of the year I " ll have made about $ 25,000 for the year - so I 'm far from rich - I just understand that it 's not fair to take away a larger portion of a persons income just because they make more than you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something is wrong when you think that the more a person makes, the larger a portion of their income should be taken away from them.Liberals always want to try to claim that it's ok to punish people for being successful because it makes them pay "their faire share" - yet only about half of the people in the US even pay income taxes anymore and of those, the top 10\% pays the majority of the taxes.
That is not fair in the slightest.
A flat tax rate of X\% for everyone would be fair - then the more you make, the more you pay in taxes - but the portion of your income lost is still the same, therefore it's fair.If the tax rate for everyone is 10\%, then someone making $20,000 a year pays only $2,000 in taxes.
Someone making $200,000 pays $20,000 in taxes - see how they still pay way more?
It's not even remotely fair to claim that someone making $200,000 should have to pay $60,000+.Before we get the people trying to claim I'm rich, at the end of the year I"ll have made about $25,000 for the year - so I'm far from rich - I just understand that it's not fair to take away a larger portion of a persons income just because they make more than you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184168</id>
	<title>how to fight back</title>
	<author>anonymous9991</author>
	<datestamp>1258818300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Taxing students, bailouts for banks, there is only one way for citizens to fight back, stop spending money and start saving it. However most citizens are as greedy as the government and can not stop spending their money. I myself have cut my spending almost 90\%, from now on its only buying what I need and nothing else. I am not going to fuel the cycle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Taxing students , bailouts for banks , there is only one way for citizens to fight back , stop spending money and start saving it .
However most citizens are as greedy as the government and can not stop spending their money .
I myself have cut my spending almost 90 \ % , from now on its only buying what I need and nothing else .
I am not going to fuel the cycle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taxing students, bailouts for banks, there is only one way for citizens to fight back, stop spending money and start saving it.
However most citizens are as greedy as the government and can not stop spending their money.
I myself have cut my spending almost 90\%, from now on its only buying what I need and nothing else.
I am not going to fuel the cycle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30189510</id>
	<title>Re:The whole story...</title>
	<author>Werthless5</author>
	<datestamp>1258810080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then tax the university, don't tax the students who have no disposable income.  If the university is really the problem here, then why are you supporting a tax on the students?</p><p>Haven't we already established that the university employs its own private police and fire force, like most universities?  I find it hard to believe that they don't pay for water and sewage; you're going to have to prove that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then tax the university , do n't tax the students who have no disposable income .
If the university is really the problem here , then why are you supporting a tax on the students ? Have n't we already established that the university employs its own private police and fire force , like most universities ?
I find it hard to believe that they do n't pay for water and sewage ; you 're going to have to prove that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then tax the university, don't tax the students who have no disposable income.
If the university is really the problem here, then why are you supporting a tax on the students?Haven't we already established that the university employs its own private police and fire force, like most universities?
I find it hard to believe that they don't pay for water and sewage; you're going to have to prove that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184254</id>
	<title>Re:I'm no master politician but...</title>
	<author>Slop121</author>
	<datestamp>1258819140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, in Allegheny County (where Pittsburgh is), there is already a 10\% poured drink tax. Meaning that every drink that is poured at a bar has 10\% tacked on to it automatically. This was enacted last year, and there is no way that the Mayor could keep his job if he decided to increase that tax. A lot of politicians already got booted because of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , in Allegheny County ( where Pittsburgh is ) , there is already a 10 \ % poured drink tax .
Meaning that every drink that is poured at a bar has 10 \ % tacked on to it automatically .
This was enacted last year , and there is no way that the Mayor could keep his job if he decided to increase that tax .
A lot of politicians already got booted because of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, in Allegheny County (where Pittsburgh is), there is already a 10\% poured drink tax.
Meaning that every drink that is poured at a bar has 10\% tacked on to it automatically.
This was enacted last year, and there is no way that the Mayor could keep his job if he decided to increase that tax.
A lot of politicians already got booted because of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30187096</id>
	<title>Duh Mayor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258836540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ravenstahl never showed up for a scheduled debate at the University of Pittsburgh during last month's mayoral campaign. His predecessor refused to campaign in the neighborhoods that house Pitt and CMU (Oakland), because "no union voters are there". Ravenstahl's cops beat and gassed Pitt students during the G-20 and loved it. The Pennsylvania governor (Rendell) cancelled the very effective Governor's Schools for high school students this summer. Now this. College students have a choice of where to go. Colleges have a choice of where to expand (CMU has 4 other campus locations). The politicos all want the steel mills to come back and don't understand the knowledge economy or care about anything that doesn't involve cigar-chomping union bosses. Keep it up, Mr. Mayor, and Pittsburgh will look exactly like Allentown.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ravenstahl never showed up for a scheduled debate at the University of Pittsburgh during last month 's mayoral campaign .
His predecessor refused to campaign in the neighborhoods that house Pitt and CMU ( Oakland ) , because " no union voters are there " .
Ravenstahl 's cops beat and gassed Pitt students during the G-20 and loved it .
The Pennsylvania governor ( Rendell ) cancelled the very effective Governor 's Schools for high school students this summer .
Now this .
College students have a choice of where to go .
Colleges have a choice of where to expand ( CMU has 4 other campus locations ) .
The politicos all want the steel mills to come back and do n't understand the knowledge economy or care about anything that does n't involve cigar-chomping union bosses .
Keep it up , Mr. Mayor , and Pittsburgh will look exactly like Allentown .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ravenstahl never showed up for a scheduled debate at the University of Pittsburgh during last month's mayoral campaign.
His predecessor refused to campaign in the neighborhoods that house Pitt and CMU (Oakland), because "no union voters are there".
Ravenstahl's cops beat and gassed Pitt students during the G-20 and loved it.
The Pennsylvania governor (Rendell) cancelled the very effective Governor's Schools for high school students this summer.
Now this.
College students have a choice of where to go.
Colleges have a choice of where to expand (CMU has 4 other campus locations).
The politicos all want the steel mills to come back and don't understand the knowledge economy or care about anything that doesn't involve cigar-chomping union bosses.
Keep it up, Mr. Mayor, and Pittsburgh will look exactly like Allentown.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184278</id>
	<title>Re:Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258819320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who cares? There are $400 more where the $40000 yearly tuition came from. Seriously, one percent is $400? Are you paying for a personal 24/7 teacher or what do you get for $40000? Your courses aren't one on one, are they? If I were a politician and I'd see students being ripped off like that, I'd try to get in on it too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who cares ?
There are $ 400 more where the $ 40000 yearly tuition came from .
Seriously , one percent is $ 400 ?
Are you paying for a personal 24/7 teacher or what do you get for $ 40000 ?
Your courses are n't one on one , are they ?
If I were a politician and I 'd see students being ripped off like that , I 'd try to get in on it too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who cares?
There are $400 more where the $40000 yearly tuition came from.
Seriously, one percent is $400?
Are you paying for a personal 24/7 teacher or what do you get for $40000?
Your courses aren't one on one, are they?
If I were a politician and I'd see students being ripped off like that, I'd try to get in on it too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184206</id>
	<title>Try This!</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1258818660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>        All college students should leave Pittsburgh! Then the mayor can observe the consequences and decide whether college students have been paying their fair share all along. Sales taxes, jobs created, and willingness of companies to be located in Pittsburgh all relate to colleges being present. The real truth is that Pittsburgh ought to pay students for being willing to put up with that dump of a city.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All college students should leave Pittsburgh !
Then the mayor can observe the consequences and decide whether college students have been paying their fair share all along .
Sales taxes , jobs created , and willingness of companies to be located in Pittsburgh all relate to colleges being present .
The real truth is that Pittsburgh ought to pay students for being willing to put up with that dump of a city .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>        All college students should leave Pittsburgh!
Then the mayor can observe the consequences and decide whether college students have been paying their fair share all along.
Sales taxes, jobs created, and willingness of companies to be located in Pittsburgh all relate to colleges being present.
The real truth is that Pittsburgh ought to pay students for being willing to put up with that dump of a city.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185050</id>
	<title>close all the colleges</title>
	<author>Sterculius</author>
	<datestamp>1258824180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It would be more sensible if Pittsburg just got rid of all of its colleges and banned all college students from the city.  Obviously, that would save them the most money.  After all, students are burdening the system and not paying their fair share.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be more sensible if Pittsburg just got rid of all of its colleges and banned all college students from the city .
Obviously , that would save them the most money .
After all , students are burdening the system and not paying their fair share .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be more sensible if Pittsburg just got rid of all of its colleges and banned all college students from the city.
Obviously, that would save them the most money.
After all, students are burdening the system and not paying their fair share.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185260</id>
	<title>Re:The whole story...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258825260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the past decade, Pittsburgh has spent a billion (!!) dollars on entertainment-related corporate charity: Pirates stadium, Steelers stadium, Penguins arena, and now a tunnel under the river to connect a downtown where almost no one actually lives to a casino on the North Side where everyone is afraid to go at night. A *billion* dollars! The surrounding counties repeatedly vote against these projects and don't want anything to do with the proposed merger of the city with the county because of these awful, stupid "investments" that just replace one entertainment venue with another. After all that spending, guess what -- Steelers sold out before, and sitll do. Pirates couldn't sell out before, and still can't. Still no one shops downtown, and everyone is afraid of the North Side. No change, just corporate welfare to political insiders and sports figures.</p><p>How's this? Spend a billion dollars improving Oakland (where the universities actually are) so that companies started from the schools want to stay. Or maybe expand the tunnels and eliminate crazy cross-over traffic on bridges so that commuters can get into the city for jobs. Or, dump the silly revenue (not income, revenue) tax that drives every single startup out of the city.</p><p>No, Pittsburghers would rather spend a billion dollars on their precious Stillers and Bucs. And zOMG, Mario Lemieux is a hero, let's give him a few hundred million, too!!! Fine. Give me my damn tax money back (I live in PA, and the city of Pittsburgh is a big budget drain), and you're welcome to wallow in your provincial, Appalachian depression.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the past decade , Pittsburgh has spent a billion ( ! !
) dollars on entertainment-related corporate charity : Pirates stadium , Steelers stadium , Penguins arena , and now a tunnel under the river to connect a downtown where almost no one actually lives to a casino on the North Side where everyone is afraid to go at night .
A * billion * dollars !
The surrounding counties repeatedly vote against these projects and do n't want anything to do with the proposed merger of the city with the county because of these awful , stupid " investments " that just replace one entertainment venue with another .
After all that spending , guess what -- Steelers sold out before , and sitll do .
Pirates could n't sell out before , and still ca n't .
Still no one shops downtown , and everyone is afraid of the North Side .
No change , just corporate welfare to political insiders and sports figures.How 's this ?
Spend a billion dollars improving Oakland ( where the universities actually are ) so that companies started from the schools want to stay .
Or maybe expand the tunnels and eliminate crazy cross-over traffic on bridges so that commuters can get into the city for jobs .
Or , dump the silly revenue ( not income , revenue ) tax that drives every single startup out of the city.No , Pittsburghers would rather spend a billion dollars on their precious Stillers and Bucs .
And zOMG , Mario Lemieux is a hero , let 's give him a few hundred million , too ! ! !
Fine. Give me my damn tax money back ( I live in PA , and the city of Pittsburgh is a big budget drain ) , and you 're welcome to wallow in your provincial , Appalachian depression .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the past decade, Pittsburgh has spent a billion (!!
) dollars on entertainment-related corporate charity: Pirates stadium, Steelers stadium, Penguins arena, and now a tunnel under the river to connect a downtown where almost no one actually lives to a casino on the North Side where everyone is afraid to go at night.
A *billion* dollars!
The surrounding counties repeatedly vote against these projects and don't want anything to do with the proposed merger of the city with the county because of these awful, stupid "investments" that just replace one entertainment venue with another.
After all that spending, guess what -- Steelers sold out before, and sitll do.
Pirates couldn't sell out before, and still can't.
Still no one shops downtown, and everyone is afraid of the North Side.
No change, just corporate welfare to political insiders and sports figures.How's this?
Spend a billion dollars improving Oakland (where the universities actually are) so that companies started from the schools want to stay.
Or maybe expand the tunnels and eliminate crazy cross-over traffic on bridges so that commuters can get into the city for jobs.
Or, dump the silly revenue (not income, revenue) tax that drives every single startup out of the city.No, Pittsburghers would rather spend a billion dollars on their precious Stillers and Bucs.
And zOMG, Mario Lemieux is a hero, let's give him a few hundred million, too!!!
Fine. Give me my damn tax money back (I live in PA, and the city of Pittsburgh is a big budget drain), and you're welcome to wallow in your provincial, Appalachian depression.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30188742</id>
	<title>Re:Churches</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258804260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>or lead...</p><p>or very small rocks...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or lead...or very small rocks.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or lead...or very small rocks...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184192</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30187602</id>
	<title>Pittsburgh To Tax Students</title>
	<author>stoneguy</author>
	<datestamp>1258796640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got a Carnegie Mellon science degree (actually Carnegie Tech) from 1964. I'm retiring next year. And the degree was never used except to get me into a grad school that I dropped out from to work in computers.</p><p>Maybe I should auction it off on Ebay?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a Carnegie Mellon science degree ( actually Carnegie Tech ) from 1964 .
I 'm retiring next year .
And the degree was never used except to get me into a grad school that I dropped out from to work in computers.Maybe I should auction it off on Ebay ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a Carnegie Mellon science degree (actually Carnegie Tech) from 1964.
I'm retiring next year.
And the degree was never used except to get me into a grad school that I dropped out from to work in computers.Maybe I should auction it off on Ebay?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184192</id>
	<title>Churches</title>
	<author>Stiletto</author>
	<datestamp>1258818600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yet, we're still not taxing churches...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet , we 're still not taxing churches.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet, we're still not taxing churches...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184812</id>
	<title>Short Sighted</title>
	<author>KalvinB</author>
	<datestamp>1258822740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When Arizona State called asking for money I told them to tell Michael Crow I hope he's happy with his tuition hikes because he's never getting another dime from me.  The way I see it, he already stole about $6000 dollars from me (they violated the state constitution to make those increases).  I'm not going to voluntarily give more and my daughter will most likely not attend ASU.  We're putting away money so she can go anywhere.</p><p>Students get a higher eduction, get better jobs, make more money, and pay more taxes which gets put back into the schools.</p><p>If we want to focus on "fair" then homeowners with children who don't go to public school need to be except from public school related taxes.</p><p>If the government wants their money "now" they better be prepared to lose money later.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When Arizona State called asking for money I told them to tell Michael Crow I hope he 's happy with his tuition hikes because he 's never getting another dime from me .
The way I see it , he already stole about $ 6000 dollars from me ( they violated the state constitution to make those increases ) .
I 'm not going to voluntarily give more and my daughter will most likely not attend ASU .
We 're putting away money so she can go anywhere.Students get a higher eduction , get better jobs , make more money , and pay more taxes which gets put back into the schools.If we want to focus on " fair " then homeowners with children who do n't go to public school need to be except from public school related taxes.If the government wants their money " now " they better be prepared to lose money later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When Arizona State called asking for money I told them to tell Michael Crow I hope he's happy with his tuition hikes because he's never getting another dime from me.
The way I see it, he already stole about $6000 dollars from me (they violated the state constitution to make those increases).
I'm not going to voluntarily give more and my daughter will most likely not attend ASU.
We're putting away money so she can go anywhere.Students get a higher eduction, get better jobs, make more money, and pay more taxes which gets put back into the schools.If we want to focus on "fair" then homeowners with children who don't go to public school need to be except from public school related taxes.If the government wants their money "now" they better be prepared to lose money later.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184110</id>
	<title>reality:  students are constantly fucked over</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258817940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It makes no sense to me why when budgets need to be slashed it's always the students who get it first.  In California, students <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/19/california.tuition.protests/" title="cnn.com" rel="nofollow">just had their tuitions hiked 32\%</a> [cnn.com] per semester.</p><p>It's insane and incredibly backward-looking.  CA has a $20+ billion budget shortfall, and an insane political process that requires a supermajority vote to pass a tax increase-- or any budget at all.</p><p>As a result, anyone can block anything that even hints at revenue collection, and it's a total clusterfuck.</p><p>And students are the first in line to feel the pain.</p><p>(don't tell me how cutting taxes stimulates the economy and raises money and the laffer curve and supply side and fleeing jobs and all that... CA's economy has been "stimulated" in this manner for a generation, and it's still fucked.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes no sense to me why when budgets need to be slashed it 's always the students who get it first .
In California , students just had their tuitions hiked 32 \ % [ cnn.com ] per semester.It 's insane and incredibly backward-looking .
CA has a $ 20 + billion budget shortfall , and an insane political process that requires a supermajority vote to pass a tax increase-- or any budget at all.As a result , anyone can block anything that even hints at revenue collection , and it 's a total clusterfuck.And students are the first in line to feel the pain .
( do n't tell me how cutting taxes stimulates the economy and raises money and the laffer curve and supply side and fleeing jobs and all that... CA 's economy has been " stimulated " in this manner for a generation , and it 's still fucked .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes no sense to me why when budgets need to be slashed it's always the students who get it first.
In California, students just had their tuitions hiked 32\% [cnn.com] per semester.It's insane and incredibly backward-looking.
CA has a $20+ billion budget shortfall, and an insane political process that requires a supermajority vote to pass a tax increase-- or any budget at all.As a result, anyone can block anything that even hints at revenue collection, and it's a total clusterfuck.And students are the first in line to feel the pain.
(don't tell me how cutting taxes stimulates the economy and raises money and the laffer curve and supply side and fleeing jobs and all that... CA's economy has been "stimulated" in this manner for a generation, and it's still fucked.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30190722</id>
	<title>Re:Student effect on economy</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1258821600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're argument is roughly as valid as the argument politicians use to give use tax breaks to corporations to move into their area.  Everytime someone plays one of these arguments, its fairly clear that the tax breaks are not made up by income in taxes from the secondary sources like the claims you make.</p><p>The university isn't there to make some landlords more money, its there to educate.  Its not there to prop up the city, but its also not there burden the city unduly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're argument is roughly as valid as the argument politicians use to give use tax breaks to corporations to move into their area .
Everytime someone plays one of these arguments , its fairly clear that the tax breaks are not made up by income in taxes from the secondary sources like the claims you make.The university is n't there to make some landlords more money , its there to educate .
Its not there to prop up the city , but its also not there burden the city unduly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're argument is roughly as valid as the argument politicians use to give use tax breaks to corporations to move into their area.
Everytime someone plays one of these arguments, its fairly clear that the tax breaks are not made up by income in taxes from the secondary sources like the claims you make.The university isn't there to make some landlords more money, its there to educate.
Its not there to prop up the city, but its also not there burden the city unduly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185134</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30195280</id>
	<title>Re:US doens't want students</title>
	<author>Totenglocke</author>
	<datestamp>1258919580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In Norway for instance education is free. Yes FREE.</p></div><p>No, it is not.  Also the fact that you think it's free brings in to question just how good the education system is.  A government is not capable of providing anything for free - it must be paid for with taxes.  Taxes that are paid by the citizens.  You yourself are one of those citizens paying taxes.  That means every day that you work and earn money, you pay for that "free" education (and if your country has socialist health care, "free" health care as well).  That means that over the course of your life, you pay much, MUCH more for education and health care than people do in a country (such as the US, until Obama destroys the country) where you pay for your own education and medical treatment.  Just because they never had you a bill doesn't mean that you aren't paying for it.</p><p>It amazes me that so many people do not graps the concept of taxes and how the government pays for things.  My mom is a social studies teacher and she gave the students a project where they had to create government policies for things like education, health care, and all sorts of other things.  One girl said "The government should just pay for everything, that way taxpayers don't have to".  *facepalm*</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Norway for instance education is free .
Yes FREE.No , it is not .
Also the fact that you think it 's free brings in to question just how good the education system is .
A government is not capable of providing anything for free - it must be paid for with taxes .
Taxes that are paid by the citizens .
You yourself are one of those citizens paying taxes .
That means every day that you work and earn money , you pay for that " free " education ( and if your country has socialist health care , " free " health care as well ) .
That means that over the course of your life , you pay much , MUCH more for education and health care than people do in a country ( such as the US , until Obama destroys the country ) where you pay for your own education and medical treatment .
Just because they never had you a bill does n't mean that you are n't paying for it.It amazes me that so many people do not graps the concept of taxes and how the government pays for things .
My mom is a social studies teacher and she gave the students a project where they had to create government policies for things like education , health care , and all sorts of other things .
One girl said " The government should just pay for everything , that way taxpayers do n't have to " .
* facepalm *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Norway for instance education is free.
Yes FREE.No, it is not.
Also the fact that you think it's free brings in to question just how good the education system is.
A government is not capable of providing anything for free - it must be paid for with taxes.
Taxes that are paid by the citizens.
You yourself are one of those citizens paying taxes.
That means every day that you work and earn money, you pay for that "free" education (and if your country has socialist health care, "free" health care as well).
That means that over the course of your life, you pay much, MUCH more for education and health care than people do in a country (such as the US, until Obama destroys the country) where you pay for your own education and medical treatment.
Just because they never had you a bill doesn't mean that you aren't paying for it.It amazes me that so many people do not graps the concept of taxes and how the government pays for things.
My mom is a social studies teacher and she gave the students a project where they had to create government policies for things like education, health care, and all sorts of other things.
One girl said "The government should just pay for everything, that way taxpayers don't have to".
*facepalm*
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30188118</id>
	<title>So much for Pittsburgh.</title>
	<author>jcr</author>
	<datestamp>1258800060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if CMU will relocate, or just fade away?</p><p>-jcr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if CMU will relocate , or just fade away ? -jcr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if CMU will relocate, or just fade away?-jcr</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184404</id>
	<title>Re:pay their 'fair share.'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258820460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you're willing to spend $40,000/year to go to college already, I'm sorry but $400 isn't going to kill you. It's 1\% - get over it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're willing to spend $ 40,000/year to go to college already , I 'm sorry but $ 400 is n't going to kill you .
It 's 1 \ % - get over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're willing to spend $40,000/year to go to college already, I'm sorry but $400 isn't going to kill you.
It's 1\% - get over it.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30188590</id>
	<title>Re:How about some other ideas?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258803360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Canada, politicans can claim 1/3 of their renumeration as tax-free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Canada , politicans can claim 1/3 of their renumeration as tax-free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Canada, politicans can claim 1/3 of their renumeration as tax-free.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184218</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30185012</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258824000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This fool is going to drive the students to another city.</p></div><p>Speaking as an alum, I seriously doubt that someone who got into CMU is going to decide to go elsewhere because of the tax. It is a very good school and the tax is a drop in the bucket next to the tuition. Nor is CMU going to up and leave anytime soon either. That is the beauty (evil cunning) of the scheme, it is a captive audience and the ones who will get affected by it largely can't or won't vote locally.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This fool is going to drive the students to another city.Speaking as an alum , I seriously doubt that someone who got into CMU is going to decide to go elsewhere because of the tax .
It is a very good school and the tax is a drop in the bucket next to the tuition .
Nor is CMU going to up and leave anytime soon either .
That is the beauty ( evil cunning ) of the scheme , it is a captive audience and the ones who will get affected by it largely ca n't or wo n't vote locally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This fool is going to drive the students to another city.Speaking as an alum, I seriously doubt that someone who got into CMU is going to decide to go elsewhere because of the tax.
It is a very good school and the tax is a drop in the bucket next to the tuition.
Nor is CMU going to up and leave anytime soon either.
That is the beauty (evil cunning) of the scheme, it is a captive audience and the ones who will get affected by it largely can't or won't vote locally.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183976</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30190732</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong!</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1258821840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stay and work doing what?</p><p>Thats true for the first couple of years after the school is established, after which the area is saturated and new students coming out of the area can't find a job unless one of the older ones leaves.</p><p>So you're claiming that if your city doesn't have a college, it will be an uneducated mess, which is clearly false since the majority of the cities of the world DON'T have colleges.  There are only so many jobs in a college town that require college education, once thats saturated there is very little need for the college by your train of thought.</p><p>That entire line of thinking is just false.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stay and work doing what ? Thats true for the first couple of years after the school is established , after which the area is saturated and new students coming out of the area ca n't find a job unless one of the older ones leaves.So you 're claiming that if your city does n't have a college , it will be an uneducated mess , which is clearly false since the majority of the cities of the world DO N'T have colleges .
There are only so many jobs in a college town that require college education , once thats saturated there is very little need for the college by your train of thought.That entire line of thinking is just false .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stay and work doing what?Thats true for the first couple of years after the school is established, after which the area is saturated and new students coming out of the area can't find a job unless one of the older ones leaves.So you're claiming that if your city doesn't have a college, it will be an uneducated mess, which is clearly false since the majority of the cities of the world DON'T have colleges.
There are only so many jobs in a college town that require college education, once thats saturated there is very little need for the college by your train of thought.That entire line of thinking is just false.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30184498</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong!</title>
	<author>Grygus</author>
	<datestamp>1258821000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it is just as likely that it's a political ploy and he doesn't really care whether it passes.  He's created an us-vs-them scenario that should resonate with residents whether it works or not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it is just as likely that it 's a political ploy and he does n't really care whether it passes .
He 's created an us-vs-them scenario that should resonate with residents whether it works or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it is just as likely that it's a political ploy and he doesn't really care whether it passes.
He's created an us-vs-them scenario that should resonate with residents whether it works or not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30183976</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_1234231.30200114</id>
	<title>Re:wow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258968300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Something is wrong when you think that the more a person makes, the larger a portion of their income should be taken away from them.</p></div><p>At some point, a person's income can be low enough where taxing even a dollar of their income creates severe hardship.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Something is wrong when you think that the more a person makes , the larger a portion of their income should be taken away from them.At some point , a person 's income can be low enough where taxing even a dollar of their income creates severe hardship .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something is wrong when you think that the more a person makes, the larger a portion of their income should be taken away from them.At some point, a person's income can be low enough where taxing even a dollar of their income creates severe hardship.
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