<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_21_0022253</id>
	<title>Try Out Chrome OS In a Virtual Machine</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1258815300000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>itwbennett writes <i>"Some very generous Alpha OS geeks have snagged the Chrome OS source code and compiled a version to <a href="http://www.itworld.com/operating-systems/85512/take-chrome-os-test-spin">share with the rest of us</a>, writes blogger Peter Smith. 'The build comes in the form of a virtual machine, which means you'll need VMWare or VirtualBox running, and of course the image of Chrome OS itself. The folks at gdgt are distributing the latter, and they've <a href="http://gdgt.com/google/chrome-os/download/">set up a page</a> with all the links you'll need. You'll need to create a gdgt account if you don't have one yet. The Chrome OS image is only a bit over 300 megs, so it's a fast download. If you need a little more handholding, TechCrunch has a <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/19/guide-install-google-chrome-os/">step-by-step guide</a> to getting Chrome OS installed and running using VirtualBox, and a Chrome OS torrent they link to.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>itwbennett writes " Some very generous Alpha OS geeks have snagged the Chrome OS source code and compiled a version to share with the rest of us , writes blogger Peter Smith .
'The build comes in the form of a virtual machine , which means you 'll need VMWare or VirtualBox running , and of course the image of Chrome OS itself .
The folks at gdgt are distributing the latter , and they 've set up a page with all the links you 'll need .
You 'll need to create a gdgt account if you do n't have one yet .
The Chrome OS image is only a bit over 300 megs , so it 's a fast download .
If you need a little more handholding , TechCrunch has a step-by-step guide to getting Chrome OS installed and running using VirtualBox , and a Chrome OS torrent they link to .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>itwbennett writes "Some very generous Alpha OS geeks have snagged the Chrome OS source code and compiled a version to share with the rest of us, writes blogger Peter Smith.
'The build comes in the form of a virtual machine, which means you'll need VMWare or VirtualBox running, and of course the image of Chrome OS itself.
The folks at gdgt are distributing the latter, and they've set up a page with all the links you'll need.
You'll need to create a gdgt account if you don't have one yet.
The Chrome OS image is only a bit over 300 megs, so it's a fast download.
If you need a little more handholding, TechCrunch has a step-by-step guide to getting Chrome OS installed and running using VirtualBox, and a Chrome OS torrent they link to.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181874</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258737900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only pirates use torrents.  What are you, a commie?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only pirates use torrents .
What are you , a commie ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only pirates use torrents.
What are you, a commie?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182062</id>
	<title>Define killer app</title>
	<author>Art3x</author>
	<datestamp>1258740000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know about you, but <b>long battery life</b> to me would be a killer app. I think that the standard six hours or less shows a peculiar lack of any progress. Sure, I can go to a coffee shop with my laptop. But I can't <i>relax</i> at a coffee shop with my laptop. How long will a smart-phone CPU with a notebook-sized battery last, I wonder?</p><p>I also consider a <b>boot time</b> of less than 10 seconds a killer app. The standard 45 seconds or more that even Windows XP (old) on my Core 2 Duo (new) gives me is baffling after 25 years of the PC. (Really, its more like two minutes before it is really ready to give me attention.) If my computer shuts down in two seconds and boots in three, l wouldn't plan my morning around it: "Time to make coffee --- no, wait, start the computer before you make coffee, then it will be ready at the same time."</p><p> <b>Security</b> is also a killer app. Encrypted home directory + read-only root + twin root partitions + a lot of other things = a lot more peace of mind. What if my laptop is stolen? Well, at least they're not going to find anything on it. My house guest is asking me if he can borrow my laptop. If it's a Windows laptop, I (but admittedly not the average user) will do a quick mental check --- do I have anything private on it that he might see? Is he going to accidentally download a virus on it? Etc. Sure, I can do things so that it will be less of a problem, but it's a lot easier if the computer already is set up as much as Chrome OS is for sharing.</p><p>Now that I look at them, what do these things all have in common? A less-stressed user experience. I don't have to think as much as I used to about taking care of my computer. Sure, it won't run Final Cut Pro. But I say, you should have made these the priorities --- at least with <i>some</i> --- <i>any</i> of your models. Get battery life, boot speed, and security to where you would have expected to be in the 21st century. Then branch out to fancy applications. Which is exactly what will probably happen. Browsers are only getting abler.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about you , but long battery life to me would be a killer app .
I think that the standard six hours or less shows a peculiar lack of any progress .
Sure , I can go to a coffee shop with my laptop .
But I ca n't relax at a coffee shop with my laptop .
How long will a smart-phone CPU with a notebook-sized battery last , I wonder ? I also consider a boot time of less than 10 seconds a killer app .
The standard 45 seconds or more that even Windows XP ( old ) on my Core 2 Duo ( new ) gives me is baffling after 25 years of the PC .
( Really , its more like two minutes before it is really ready to give me attention .
) If my computer shuts down in two seconds and boots in three , l would n't plan my morning around it : " Time to make coffee --- no , wait , start the computer before you make coffee , then it will be ready at the same time .
" Security is also a killer app .
Encrypted home directory + read-only root + twin root partitions + a lot of other things = a lot more peace of mind .
What if my laptop is stolen ?
Well , at least they 're not going to find anything on it .
My house guest is asking me if he can borrow my laptop .
If it 's a Windows laptop , I ( but admittedly not the average user ) will do a quick mental check --- do I have anything private on it that he might see ?
Is he going to accidentally download a virus on it ?
Etc. Sure , I can do things so that it will be less of a problem , but it 's a lot easier if the computer already is set up as much as Chrome OS is for sharing.Now that I look at them , what do these things all have in common ?
A less-stressed user experience .
I do n't have to think as much as I used to about taking care of my computer .
Sure , it wo n't run Final Cut Pro .
But I say , you should have made these the priorities --- at least with some --- any of your models .
Get battery life , boot speed , and security to where you would have expected to be in the 21st century .
Then branch out to fancy applications .
Which is exactly what will probably happen .
Browsers are only getting abler .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about you, but long battery life to me would be a killer app.
I think that the standard six hours or less shows a peculiar lack of any progress.
Sure, I can go to a coffee shop with my laptop.
But I can't relax at a coffee shop with my laptop.
How long will a smart-phone CPU with a notebook-sized battery last, I wonder?I also consider a boot time of less than 10 seconds a killer app.
The standard 45 seconds or more that even Windows XP (old) on my Core 2 Duo (new) gives me is baffling after 25 years of the PC.
(Really, its more like two minutes before it is really ready to give me attention.
) If my computer shuts down in two seconds and boots in three, l wouldn't plan my morning around it: "Time to make coffee --- no, wait, start the computer before you make coffee, then it will be ready at the same time.
" Security is also a killer app.
Encrypted home directory + read-only root + twin root partitions + a lot of other things = a lot more peace of mind.
What if my laptop is stolen?
Well, at least they're not going to find anything on it.
My house guest is asking me if he can borrow my laptop.
If it's a Windows laptop, I (but admittedly not the average user) will do a quick mental check --- do I have anything private on it that he might see?
Is he going to accidentally download a virus on it?
Etc. Sure, I can do things so that it will be less of a problem, but it's a lot easier if the computer already is set up as much as Chrome OS is for sharing.Now that I look at them, what do these things all have in common?
A less-stressed user experience.
I don't have to think as much as I used to about taking care of my computer.
Sure, it won't run Final Cut Pro.
But I say, you should have made these the priorities --- at least with some --- any of your models.
Get battery life, boot speed, and security to where you would have expected to be in the 21st century.
Then branch out to fancy applications.
Which is exactly what will probably happen.
Browsers are only getting abler.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183398</id>
	<title>Re:The real deal about Chrome OS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258807440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt; Google powers down their servers you cannot access your data.</p><p>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!</p><p>*breathes*</p><p>HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!</p><p>But seriously..</p><p>HAHAHAHHAA!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; Google powers down their servers you can not access your data.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !
* breathes * HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! But seriously..HAHAHAHHAA !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; Google powers down their servers you cannot access your data.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
*breathes*HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!But seriously..HAHAHAHHAA!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30270824</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>snadrus</author>
	<datestamp>1259601960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even more so, I know someone in Peru who can't possibly download Ubuntu at a decent speed, but the torrents see great performance there as it goes over area networks instead of slow backbones.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even more so , I know someone in Peru who ca n't possibly download Ubuntu at a decent speed , but the torrents see great performance there as it goes over area networks instead of slow backbones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even more so, I know someone in Peru who can't possibly download Ubuntu at a decent speed, but the torrents see great performance there as it goes over area networks instead of slow backbones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30184642</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>funkboy</author>
	<datestamp>1258821840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Everyone would almost certainly be better off if the distributor just dumped it on Amazon EC2 or some other big hosting service and let interested parties pay the per-megabyte download costs directly(saving themselves the upload bandwidth and power costs). Since that isn't really viable(particularly, though not exclusively, if what is being distributed isn't wholly legal), bittorrent's easy sharing of hosting duties among downloaders is the next best thing.</p></div><p>What percentage of people that use torrents (and I'm talking about both "as in speech" and "as in beer" uses of torrent here) do you think actually give a crap about how much the power and bandwidth they're using costs?  There certainly exists such a population of users (I'm one of them) but I'd guess it's somewhere around 5\% of the total.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone would almost certainly be better off if the distributor just dumped it on Amazon EC2 or some other big hosting service and let interested parties pay the per-megabyte download costs directly ( saving themselves the upload bandwidth and power costs ) .
Since that is n't really viable ( particularly , though not exclusively , if what is being distributed is n't wholly legal ) , bittorrent 's easy sharing of hosting duties among downloaders is the next best thing.What percentage of people that use torrents ( and I 'm talking about both " as in speech " and " as in beer " uses of torrent here ) do you think actually give a crap about how much the power and bandwidth they 're using costs ?
There certainly exists such a population of users ( I 'm one of them ) but I 'd guess it 's somewhere around 5 \ % of the total .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone would almost certainly be better off if the distributor just dumped it on Amazon EC2 or some other big hosting service and let interested parties pay the per-megabyte download costs directly(saving themselves the upload bandwidth and power costs).
Since that isn't really viable(particularly, though not exclusively, if what is being distributed isn't wholly legal), bittorrent's easy sharing of hosting duties among downloaders is the next best thing.What percentage of people that use torrents (and I'm talking about both "as in speech" and "as in beer" uses of torrent here) do you think actually give a crap about how much the power and bandwidth they're using costs?
There certainly exists such a population of users (I'm one of them) but I'd guess it's somewhere around 5\% of the total.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183848</id>
	<title>Re:Not real Alpha</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258815120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>haha.  I'm going to log in specifically to mod you up with +1 Funny</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>haha .
I 'm going to log in specifically to mod you up with + 1 Funny</tokentext>
<sentencetext>haha.
I'm going to log in specifically to mod you up with +1 Funny</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30231410</id>
	<title>Re:Quiet on the post front...</title>
	<author>snadrus</author>
	<datestamp>1257162180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Virtualbox doesn't require CPU virualization, &amp; it's free.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Virtualbox does n't require CPU virualization , &amp; it 's free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Virtualbox doesn't require CPU virualization, &amp; it's free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183336</id>
	<title>So it does what it says on the tin?</title>
	<author>itsdapead</author>
	<datestamp>1258806360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It looks exactly like the Chrome/Chromium browser, with a few more desktop icons and a weird window manager.</p></div><p>Well, yes - that's exactly what its meant to be: a stripped-down OS exclusively for running webapps.
</p><p>Media hype aside, Chrome was never going to be a technically fascinating OS: the interesting bit is going to come when we see what the hardware is, and how it is marketed.
</p><p>(The "weird window manager" might make sense when its running on the target hardware - Android or iPhone would be a bit weird on a regular desktop).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It looks exactly like the Chrome/Chromium browser , with a few more desktop icons and a weird window manager.Well , yes - that 's exactly what its meant to be : a stripped-down OS exclusively for running webapps .
Media hype aside , Chrome was never going to be a technically fascinating OS : the interesting bit is going to come when we see what the hardware is , and how it is marketed .
( The " weird window manager " might make sense when its running on the target hardware - Android or iPhone would be a bit weird on a regular desktop ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It looks exactly like the Chrome/Chromium browser, with a few more desktop icons and a weird window manager.Well, yes - that's exactly what its meant to be: a stripped-down OS exclusively for running webapps.
Media hype aside, Chrome was never going to be a technically fascinating OS: the interesting bit is going to come when we see what the hardware is, and how it is marketed.
(The "weird window manager" might make sense when its running on the target hardware - Android or iPhone would be a bit weird on a regular desktop).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30184796</id>
	<title>Re:Quiet on the post front...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258822620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>virtualbox will work anyway, just slower</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>virtualbox will work anyway , just slower</tokentext>
<sentencetext>virtualbox will work anyway, just slower</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30185382</id>
	<title>Re:Counterpoint</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1258825980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Here's a hint: if you're trying to run Photoshop on a 10" screen, you're doing it wrong. "</p><p>If you're doing <i>any</i> serious work on 10" screen, you're doing it wrong. If the use case for a netbook is just a small device for web browsing why doesn't somebody just create a stripped Linux distro that boots to firefox?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Here 's a hint : if you 're trying to run Photoshop on a 10 " screen , you 're doing it wrong .
" If you 're doing any serious work on 10 " screen , you 're doing it wrong .
If the use case for a netbook is just a small device for web browsing why does n't somebody just create a stripped Linux distro that boots to firefox ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Here's a hint: if you're trying to run Photoshop on a 10" screen, you're doing it wrong.
"If you're doing any serious work on 10" screen, you're doing it wrong.
If the use case for a netbook is just a small device for web browsing why doesn't somebody just create a stripped Linux distro that boots to firefox?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183936</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>jafiwam</author>
	<datestamp>1258816380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look in your settings moron.  Every bit-torrent program I have ever used had throttling control on both upload and download, as well as "open connections" limits to keep your shitty equipment from bogging down.</p><p>Read. The. Fucking. Manual. Or. Google. It. Tard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look in your settings moron .
Every bit-torrent program I have ever used had throttling control on both upload and download , as well as " open connections " limits to keep your shitty equipment from bogging down.Read .
The. Fucking .
Manual. Or .
Google. It .
Tard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look in your settings moron.
Every bit-torrent program I have ever used had throttling control on both upload and download, as well as "open connections" limits to keep your shitty equipment from bogging down.Read.
The. Fucking.
Manual. Or.
Google. It.
Tard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182192</id>
	<title>compile it yourself</title>
	<author>kregg</author>
	<datestamp>1258741740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you compile it yourself you can run the "live disk" and it isn't too hard to do if you have Ubuntu Karmic. I am running Chromium OS on my laptop right now, it is nice a snappy with a pretty fast boot time - around 9-10 seconds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you compile it yourself you can run the " live disk " and it is n't too hard to do if you have Ubuntu Karmic .
I am running Chromium OS on my laptop right now , it is nice a snappy with a pretty fast boot time - around 9-10 seconds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you compile it yourself you can run the "live disk" and it isn't too hard to do if you have Ubuntu Karmic.
I am running Chromium OS on my laptop right now, it is nice a snappy with a pretty fast boot time - around 9-10 seconds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182104</id>
	<title>Crud</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1258740480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ever not get a link right?  Sometimes it's a nuisance that you can't edit a posted slashdot post. &lt;sigh&gt; I wouldn't change it though.
</p><p> <a href="http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/11/google-chrome-os-2/" title="wired.com" rel="nofollow">handwaving</a> [wired.com].
</p><p>As long as I'm following up to fix the link, I might as well point out that this absurd article tries to tar Google's cloud services with Microsoft's T-Mobile Danger brush - as if the two were related in some way other than as polar opposites.  That link works better if you're tying Microsoft's cloud services since they're the ones to fire the footgun in that case. They try and say that if you paid for Photoshop on your PC, you're licensed to use it on your netbook.  They point out that this alpha OS that's a year from initial release hasn't signed a single cellular provider and doesn't yet support cellular wireless data - even though <a href="http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iMbsPSv2vatAVvbz\_8n0xU3Mfvnw" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">it was Google that made any-app-you-want any-device-you-want data-only wireless</a> [google.com] possible.  They even quote an analyst from some thinktank I've never heard of (Interpret?).  The only way to describe this article is "hit piece".  Later let's examine why this author would do this, and who he's trying to help.  For now I want to talk about the extremely disruptive nature of this change, in the context of stuff many of you don't konw.
</p><p>Long ago there was this <a href="http://www.faqs.org/abstracts/Business-general/Thomas-F-Carter-of-Carter-Electronics-Calling-for-Competition.html" title="faqs.org" rel="nofollow">guy</a> [faqs.org] who wanted to make phone calls over radio.  He was a bright guy and rigged up the radios to talk to the phone through an <i>acoustic coupler</i>, only to find that "The Phone Company" (at the time there was only one, AT&amp;T) would not permit him to connect his device to a phone on their network.  Like any stubborn geek he persisted in his insistence that his equipment could not harm their network.  Unlike your common geek he sued all the way to the Supreme Court, gaining fame and support along the way.  Ultimately his efforts resulted in the Carterfone decision, and all of the advanced telephony changes we enjoy today including dialup, wireless phones, cellular phones and the Internet, and propelled him to ignonimy.  Somebody needs to find this man and reward him for what he's done for us.  It is because of his persistence and efforts that the AT&amp;T monopoly was broken and we enjoy the advancements we have today.
</p><p>Kids today (lawn, get off) are going to have trouble grasping this idea, so let's walk it back and forget some things:  Forget tweeting your various stages of pooping.  Forget SMS'ing pics of the dead squirrel you found. Forget texting.  Forget even calling Mom from the corner that you're going over to Tommy's house to play the latest online game, because none of that is possible.  You're like the poor kids who have no cel, except nobody has one so it's NBD. Now forget wandering around the house with the wireless phone, because that wasn't possible either. Now you've got a phone or two in your house if you're not poor but you can only talk on them when you're withing a few feet because there's this coiled wire that connects you to the phone which is either mounted on the wall or attached to the wall with a wire so Mom can hear everything you say - but it gets worse!  Mom can't even <i>own</i> this phone - she can't upgrade it to a new model from the store because it <i>doesn't belong to her</i>.  She only leases it from <i>the phone company</i>.  They don't even have to make new models of phone, because what is she going to do if they don't?  The phone company can cut off even this limited access any time they like or charge her anything they like (and they liked a LOT) because they're not just the phone company - they're <i> <b>the</b> </i> phone company.  They don't have to care -- that was actually their motto. "We don't have to care: We're the phone company."  Oh, the horror!  I wanted to rip the onion from my belt and throw it at them to express my disgust.
</p><p>This any-device cellular is as much a transformative and distruptive change.  I hope Google doesn't go on to do as much damage to our economy as that did, but there will be damage.  That's the nature of change.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Ever not get a link right ?
Sometimes it 's a nuisance that you ca n't edit a posted slashdot post .
I would n't change it though .
handwaving [ wired.com ] .
As long as I 'm following up to fix the link , I might as well point out that this absurd article tries to tar Google 's cloud services with Microsoft 's T-Mobile Danger brush - as if the two were related in some way other than as polar opposites .
That link works better if you 're tying Microsoft 's cloud services since they 're the ones to fire the footgun in that case .
They try and say that if you paid for Photoshop on your PC , you 're licensed to use it on your netbook .
They point out that this alpha OS that 's a year from initial release has n't signed a single cellular provider and does n't yet support cellular wireless data - even though it was Google that made any-app-you-want any-device-you-want data-only wireless [ google.com ] possible .
They even quote an analyst from some thinktank I 've never heard of ( Interpret ? ) .
The only way to describe this article is " hit piece " .
Later let 's examine why this author would do this , and who he 's trying to help .
For now I want to talk about the extremely disruptive nature of this change , in the context of stuff many of you do n't konw .
Long ago there was this guy [ faqs.org ] who wanted to make phone calls over radio .
He was a bright guy and rigged up the radios to talk to the phone through an acoustic coupler , only to find that " The Phone Company " ( at the time there was only one , AT&amp;T ) would not permit him to connect his device to a phone on their network .
Like any stubborn geek he persisted in his insistence that his equipment could not harm their network .
Unlike your common geek he sued all the way to the Supreme Court , gaining fame and support along the way .
Ultimately his efforts resulted in the Carterfone decision , and all of the advanced telephony changes we enjoy today including dialup , wireless phones , cellular phones and the Internet , and propelled him to ignonimy .
Somebody needs to find this man and reward him for what he 's done for us .
It is because of his persistence and efforts that the AT&amp;T monopoly was broken and we enjoy the advancements we have today .
Kids today ( lawn , get off ) are going to have trouble grasping this idea , so let 's walk it back and forget some things : Forget tweeting your various stages of pooping .
Forget SMS'ing pics of the dead squirrel you found .
Forget texting .
Forget even calling Mom from the corner that you 're going over to Tommy 's house to play the latest online game , because none of that is possible .
You 're like the poor kids who have no cel , except nobody has one so it 's NBD .
Now forget wandering around the house with the wireless phone , because that was n't possible either .
Now you 've got a phone or two in your house if you 're not poor but you can only talk on them when you 're withing a few feet because there 's this coiled wire that connects you to the phone which is either mounted on the wall or attached to the wall with a wire so Mom can hear everything you say - but it gets worse !
Mom ca n't even own this phone - she ca n't upgrade it to a new model from the store because it does n't belong to her .
She only leases it from the phone company .
They do n't even have to make new models of phone , because what is she going to do if they do n't ?
The phone company can cut off even this limited access any time they like or charge her anything they like ( and they liked a LOT ) because they 're not just the phone company - they 're the phone company .
They do n't have to care -- that was actually their motto .
" We do n't have to care : We 're the phone company .
" Oh , the horror !
I wanted to rip the onion from my belt and throw it at them to express my disgust .
This any-device cellular is as much a transformative and distruptive change .
I hope Google does n't go on to do as much damage to our economy as that did , but there will be damage .
That 's the nature of change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever not get a link right?
Sometimes it's a nuisance that you can't edit a posted slashdot post.
I wouldn't change it though.
handwaving [wired.com].
As long as I'm following up to fix the link, I might as well point out that this absurd article tries to tar Google's cloud services with Microsoft's T-Mobile Danger brush - as if the two were related in some way other than as polar opposites.
That link works better if you're tying Microsoft's cloud services since they're the ones to fire the footgun in that case.
They try and say that if you paid for Photoshop on your PC, you're licensed to use it on your netbook.
They point out that this alpha OS that's a year from initial release hasn't signed a single cellular provider and doesn't yet support cellular wireless data - even though it was Google that made any-app-you-want any-device-you-want data-only wireless [google.com] possible.
They even quote an analyst from some thinktank I've never heard of (Interpret?).
The only way to describe this article is "hit piece".
Later let's examine why this author would do this, and who he's trying to help.
For now I want to talk about the extremely disruptive nature of this change, in the context of stuff many of you don't konw.
Long ago there was this guy [faqs.org] who wanted to make phone calls over radio.
He was a bright guy and rigged up the radios to talk to the phone through an acoustic coupler, only to find that "The Phone Company" (at the time there was only one, AT&amp;T) would not permit him to connect his device to a phone on their network.
Like any stubborn geek he persisted in his insistence that his equipment could not harm their network.
Unlike your common geek he sued all the way to the Supreme Court, gaining fame and support along the way.
Ultimately his efforts resulted in the Carterfone decision, and all of the advanced telephony changes we enjoy today including dialup, wireless phones, cellular phones and the Internet, and propelled him to ignonimy.
Somebody needs to find this man and reward him for what he's done for us.
It is because of his persistence and efforts that the AT&amp;T monopoly was broken and we enjoy the advancements we have today.
Kids today (lawn, get off) are going to have trouble grasping this idea, so let's walk it back and forget some things:  Forget tweeting your various stages of pooping.
Forget SMS'ing pics of the dead squirrel you found.
Forget texting.
Forget even calling Mom from the corner that you're going over to Tommy's house to play the latest online game, because none of that is possible.
You're like the poor kids who have no cel, except nobody has one so it's NBD.
Now forget wandering around the house with the wireless phone, because that wasn't possible either.
Now you've got a phone or two in your house if you're not poor but you can only talk on them when you're withing a few feet because there's this coiled wire that connects you to the phone which is either mounted on the wall or attached to the wall with a wire so Mom can hear everything you say - but it gets worse!
Mom can't even own this phone - she can't upgrade it to a new model from the store because it doesn't belong to her.
She only leases it from the phone company.
They don't even have to make new models of phone, because what is she going to do if they don't?
The phone company can cut off even this limited access any time they like or charge her anything they like (and they liked a LOT) because they're not just the phone company - they're  the  phone company.
They don't have to care -- that was actually their motto.
"We don't have to care: We're the phone company.
"  Oh, the horror!
I wanted to rip the onion from my belt and throw it at them to express my disgust.
This any-device cellular is as much a transformative and distruptive change.
I hope Google doesn't go on to do as much damage to our economy as that did, but there will be damage.
That's the nature of change.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30185126</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>yazifeather</author>
	<datestamp>1258824660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Many people do not know how to use torrents, as much as we wish they did. I think what ubuntu should do is make it really, really easy, even automated maybe, to use the other server downloads that are not totally taxed out. That's how I downloaded mine -- my school network blocks torrents -- but it was not very easy to find.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many people do not know how to use torrents , as much as we wish they did .
I think what ubuntu should do is make it really , really easy , even automated maybe , to use the other server downloads that are not totally taxed out .
That 's how I downloaded mine -- my school network blocks torrents -- but it was not very easy to find .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many people do not know how to use torrents, as much as we wish they did.
I think what ubuntu should do is make it really, really easy, even automated maybe, to use the other server downloads that are not totally taxed out.
That's how I downloaded mine -- my school network blocks torrents -- but it was not very easy to find.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30184052</id>
	<title>Re:Counterpoint</title>
	<author>Corporate Troll</author>
	<datestamp>1258817520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Netbooks are stepping up in performance, as this four-threaded model [reghardware.co.uk] shows, and will soon be able to do many more things.</p></div></blockquote><p>Ehm, I think you are grossly overestimating the Atom 330 with an ION chipset.  Oh, don't worry... So did I, I saw that it was 64-bit, dual-core + hyperthreaded and the chipset is capable of doing high definition.</p><p>Well, I have one.  Not the netbook form, but as desktop.  It was originally meant as a toy for me, but my wifes desktop died (caps blown) and I decided to replace her P-IV 2.6GHz with Hyperthreading with my shiny new toy.</p><p>To make a long story short: even for casual surfing the Atom 330 couldn't handle.  Typing on facebook is pretty much a wait-for-the-next-letter scenario.  Don't get me started on using Adobe Flash games: utterly impossible.</p><p>Sure, this might be due to the fact that I used Ubuntu 8.04 on it and had to install the proprietary NVidia drivers manually.  Would Windows XP fare better?  No idea, I have no spare license.</p><p>Also, a thing that was highly annoying, but may be due to the chipset.  I bought 4Gig RAM for that board and I can only use 3.3Gig.  About 256Meg (I think) are used for the framebuffer.  So where is that 0.5Gig?  Well apparently that ION chipset has the old limitation of days yonder and doesn't do memory remapping.  So even with a 64-bit OS, your max is 3.5Gig - framebuffer.  Very disappointing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Netbooks are stepping up in performance , as this four-threaded model [ reghardware.co.uk ] shows , and will soon be able to do many more things.Ehm , I think you are grossly overestimating the Atom 330 with an ION chipset .
Oh , do n't worry... So did I , I saw that it was 64-bit , dual-core + hyperthreaded and the chipset is capable of doing high definition.Well , I have one .
Not the netbook form , but as desktop .
It was originally meant as a toy for me , but my wifes desktop died ( caps blown ) and I decided to replace her P-IV 2.6GHz with Hyperthreading with my shiny new toy.To make a long story short : even for casual surfing the Atom 330 could n't handle .
Typing on facebook is pretty much a wait-for-the-next-letter scenario .
Do n't get me started on using Adobe Flash games : utterly impossible.Sure , this might be due to the fact that I used Ubuntu 8.04 on it and had to install the proprietary NVidia drivers manually .
Would Windows XP fare better ?
No idea , I have no spare license.Also , a thing that was highly annoying , but may be due to the chipset .
I bought 4Gig RAM for that board and I can only use 3.3Gig .
About 256Meg ( I think ) are used for the framebuffer .
So where is that 0.5Gig ?
Well apparently that ION chipset has the old limitation of days yonder and does n't do memory remapping .
So even with a 64-bit OS , your max is 3.5Gig - framebuffer .
Very disappointing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Netbooks are stepping up in performance, as this four-threaded model [reghardware.co.uk] shows, and will soon be able to do many more things.Ehm, I think you are grossly overestimating the Atom 330 with an ION chipset.
Oh, don't worry... So did I, I saw that it was 64-bit, dual-core + hyperthreaded and the chipset is capable of doing high definition.Well, I have one.
Not the netbook form, but as desktop.
It was originally meant as a toy for me, but my wifes desktop died (caps blown) and I decided to replace her P-IV 2.6GHz with Hyperthreading with my shiny new toy.To make a long story short: even for casual surfing the Atom 330 couldn't handle.
Typing on facebook is pretty much a wait-for-the-next-letter scenario.
Don't get me started on using Adobe Flash games: utterly impossible.Sure, this might be due to the fact that I used Ubuntu 8.04 on it and had to install the proprietary NVidia drivers manually.
Would Windows XP fare better?
No idea, I have no spare license.Also, a thing that was highly annoying, but may be due to the chipset.
I bought 4Gig RAM for that board and I can only use 3.3Gig.
About 256Meg (I think) are used for the framebuffer.
So where is that 0.5Gig?
Well apparently that ION chipset has the old limitation of days yonder and doesn't do memory remapping.
So even with a 64-bit OS, your max is 3.5Gig - framebuffer.
Very disappointing.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181646</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258735500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depends on who you ask. If you ask me, torrents not only clogs my connection regardless of upload/download speed so no one can browse the net, but are actually slower than most http/ftp downloads that support a few simultaneous connections.</p><p>That's why rapidshare et all are so popular. Besides, most people don't know what torrents are. You can't have them front and center to general users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends on who you ask .
If you ask me , torrents not only clogs my connection regardless of upload/download speed so no one can browse the net , but are actually slower than most http/ftp downloads that support a few simultaneous connections.That 's why rapidshare et all are so popular .
Besides , most people do n't know what torrents are .
You ca n't have them front and center to general users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends on who you ask.
If you ask me, torrents not only clogs my connection regardless of upload/download speed so no one can browse the net, but are actually slower than most http/ftp downloads that support a few simultaneous connections.That's why rapidshare et all are so popular.
Besides, most people don't know what torrents are.
You can't have them front and center to general users.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183120</id>
	<title>Built-In Flash</title>
	<author>Masterofpsi</author>
	<datestamp>1258802220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Interesting to note: this build comes with Adobe Flash built-in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting to note : this build comes with Adobe Flash built-in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting to note: this build comes with Adobe Flash built-in.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181736</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1258736340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Torrents are actually pretty inefficient(I don't mean to knock the design of the protocol; but making heavy use of last-mile upload capacity, which is some of the shittiest and most expensive pipe on the whole network, cannot be made as efficient as a conventional client/server setup). Further, they tend to promote the energy-inefficient situation of having large numbers of small servers, all bandwidth starved, spending hours nearly idling(but not able to sleep or shut down) as they wait for the bits to trickle in.<br> <br>

They do, though, have a great advantage, which is why we bother: In absence of a functional micropayment system, bittorrent is pretty much the best way of allowing the bandwidth costs of distributing something to be spread across all parties who are interested in receiving it. If it were possible to transact in 1cent increments, everyone would almost certainly be better off if the distributor just dumped it on Amazon EC2 or some other big hosting service and let interested parties pay the per-megabyte download costs directly(saving themselves the upload bandwidth and power costs). Since that isn't really viable(particularly, though not exclusively, if what is being distributed isn't wholly legal), bittorrent's easy sharing of hosting duties among downloaders is the next best thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Torrents are actually pretty inefficient ( I do n't mean to knock the design of the protocol ; but making heavy use of last-mile upload capacity , which is some of the shittiest and most expensive pipe on the whole network , can not be made as efficient as a conventional client/server setup ) .
Further , they tend to promote the energy-inefficient situation of having large numbers of small servers , all bandwidth starved , spending hours nearly idling ( but not able to sleep or shut down ) as they wait for the bits to trickle in .
They do , though , have a great advantage , which is why we bother : In absence of a functional micropayment system , bittorrent is pretty much the best way of allowing the bandwidth costs of distributing something to be spread across all parties who are interested in receiving it .
If it were possible to transact in 1cent increments , everyone would almost certainly be better off if the distributor just dumped it on Amazon EC2 or some other big hosting service and let interested parties pay the per-megabyte download costs directly ( saving themselves the upload bandwidth and power costs ) .
Since that is n't really viable ( particularly , though not exclusively , if what is being distributed is n't wholly legal ) , bittorrent 's easy sharing of hosting duties among downloaders is the next best thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Torrents are actually pretty inefficient(I don't mean to knock the design of the protocol; but making heavy use of last-mile upload capacity, which is some of the shittiest and most expensive pipe on the whole network, cannot be made as efficient as a conventional client/server setup).
Further, they tend to promote the energy-inefficient situation of having large numbers of small servers, all bandwidth starved, spending hours nearly idling(but not able to sleep or shut down) as they wait for the bits to trickle in.
They do, though, have a great advantage, which is why we bother: In absence of a functional micropayment system, bittorrent is pretty much the best way of allowing the bandwidth costs of distributing something to be spread across all parties who are interested in receiving it.
If it were possible to transact in 1cent increments, everyone would almost certainly be better off if the distributor just dumped it on Amazon EC2 or some other big hosting service and let interested parties pay the per-megabyte download costs directly(saving themselves the upload bandwidth and power costs).
Since that isn't really viable(particularly, though not exclusively, if what is being distributed isn't wholly legal), bittorrent's easy sharing of hosting duties among downloaders is the next best thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30201544</id>
	<title>Re:Shameless Plug</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1258989180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You can also "steal" my login information: username: ninny
password: password
</p><p>
It will work until some wanker changes the password.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Done!
</p><p>
Only kidding.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can also " steal " my login information : username : ninny password : password It will work until some wanker changes the password .
Done ! Only kidding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can also "steal" my login information: username: ninny
password: password

It will work until some wanker changes the password.
Done!

Only kidding.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182252</id>
	<title>Holy shit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258743180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a Linux with a GUI but without X-Windows!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a Linux with a GUI but without X-Windows !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a Linux with a GUI but without X-Windows!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181712</id>
	<title>Can't login</title>
	<author>Siddly</author>
	<datestamp>1258736100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I tried logging in using 1 google and one googlemail  ID and passwords, nothing doing - using VirtualBox.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried logging in using 1 google and one googlemail ID and passwords , nothing doing - using VirtualBox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried logging in using 1 google and one googlemail  ID and passwords, nothing doing - using VirtualBox.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183240</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1258804320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pirated? How does one pirate open source software?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pirated ?
How does one pirate open source software ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pirated?
How does one pirate open source software?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30189402</id>
	<title>Re:Counterpoint</title>
	<author>Lost Race</author>
	<datestamp>1258809420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>... photoshop on the netbook, as if you would. Here's a hint: if you're trying to run Photoshop on a 10" screen, you're doing it wrong.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Here's a hint: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SVGA\_port.jpg" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SVGA\_port.jpg</a> [wikipedia.org] </p><p>In the 21st century you'll be able to use a single computer as both a full-fledged desktop system and an ultra-portable. Amazing!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... photoshop on the netbook , as if you would .
Here 's a hint : if you 're trying to run Photoshop on a 10 " screen , you 're doing it wrong .
Here 's a hint : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File : SVGA \ _port.jpg [ wikipedia.org ] In the 21st century you 'll be able to use a single computer as both a full-fledged desktop system and an ultra-portable .
Amazing !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... photoshop on the netbook, as if you would.
Here's a hint: if you're trying to run Photoshop on a 10" screen, you're doing it wrong.
Here's a hint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SVGA\_port.jpg [wikipedia.org] In the 21st century you'll be able to use a single computer as both a full-fledged desktop system and an ultra-portable.
Amazing!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30188642</id>
	<title>Re:Oooh, shiny!</title>
	<author>kregg</author>
	<datestamp>1258803600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Google state that Chrome OS cannot take the place of full OS (yet), it is for netbooks only. Perhaps you need to watch the launch video, it is quite interesting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google state that Chrome OS can not take the place of full OS ( yet ) , it is for netbooks only .
Perhaps you need to watch the launch video , it is quite interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google state that Chrome OS cannot take the place of full OS (yet), it is for netbooks only.
Perhaps you need to watch the launch video, it is quite interesting.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181702</id>
	<title>Can it be installed on actual hardware?</title>
	<author>SleepyHappyDoc</author>
	<datestamp>1258736040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I saw an Eee PC running one of the demos in their presentation...is there a build available for that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw an Eee PC running one of the demos in their presentation...is there a build available for that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw an Eee PC running one of the demos in their presentation...is there a build available for that?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30184548</id>
	<title>Re:How I learned to stop worrying and love the clo</title>
	<author>ZosX</author>
	<datestamp>1258821180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gmail is the only app I'll use online. Youtube and whatnot are just media viewers. For real work I'll stick to something I can sit by the river and work on and not worry about an internet connection. I used to imap my google account, but really what's the point? Its just as fast on the browser and I've always liked the interface. I don't even chat much anymore. The web should be for finding information and communicating and not your new operating system. I know most people disagree at this point, but hey, I miss the quaint days of gopher. Stumble upon has forced me to realize that the web is a huge time waster with 100 million different new crazy things to  see. I can't imagine spending every waking moment on the web though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gmail is the only app I 'll use online .
Youtube and whatnot are just media viewers .
For real work I 'll stick to something I can sit by the river and work on and not worry about an internet connection .
I used to imap my google account , but really what 's the point ?
Its just as fast on the browser and I 've always liked the interface .
I do n't even chat much anymore .
The web should be for finding information and communicating and not your new operating system .
I know most people disagree at this point , but hey , I miss the quaint days of gopher .
Stumble upon has forced me to realize that the web is a huge time waster with 100 million different new crazy things to see .
I ca n't imagine spending every waking moment on the web though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gmail is the only app I'll use online.
Youtube and whatnot are just media viewers.
For real work I'll stick to something I can sit by the river and work on and not worry about an internet connection.
I used to imap my google account, but really what's the point?
Its just as fast on the browser and I've always liked the interface.
I don't even chat much anymore.
The web should be for finding information and communicating and not your new operating system.
I know most people disagree at this point, but hey, I miss the quaint days of gopher.
Stumble upon has forced me to realize that the web is a huge time waster with 100 million different new crazy things to  see.
I can't imagine spending every waking moment on the web though.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181390</id>
	<title>Torrent?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258732740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't believe Slashdot is openly advertising a pirated OS with links to <em>torrents</em>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe Slashdot is openly advertising a pirated OS with links to torrents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe Slashdot is openly advertising a pirated OS with links to torrents.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182802</id>
	<title>WOW!!  I'm impressed!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258795980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, its a web browser that looks and acts like the open source webkit rendering engine.  ChromeOS is fricking incredible!!</p><p>Good job Google!! w00t!!</p><p>All those talented engineers at google who designed a browser and operating system and then had the audacity to... combine the two!!</p><p>I look forward to eventually paying google monthly fees so I can use a web browser and access all of my files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , its a web browser that looks and acts like the open source webkit rendering engine .
ChromeOS is fricking incredible !
! Good job Google ! !
w00t ! ! All those talented engineers at google who designed a browser and operating system and then had the audacity to... combine the two !
! I look forward to eventually paying google monthly fees so I can use a web browser and access all of my files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, its a web browser that looks and acts like the open source webkit rendering engine.
ChromeOS is fricking incredible!
!Good job Google!!
w00t!!All those talented engineers at google who designed a browser and operating system and then had the audacity to... combine the two!
!I look forward to eventually paying google monthly fees so I can use a web browser and access all of my files.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182102</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>coolsnowmen</author>
	<datestamp>1258740480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>..which is some of the shittiest and most expensive pipe on the whole network, cannot be made as efficient as a conventional client/server setup).</p></div><p>Efficient in what sense?  Certainly not time in release cases.  If host A has a 100MB file and a 10MB/s connection, the most that host can upload that file at is 6/min.  At 10,000 users this takes about 28 hours.<br>If the first torrent uploads to 2 people, and those two people to two more...etc it will quickly (4 hours) beat the single host case even if every pipe after the first is 1/100th the speed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>..which is some of the shittiest and most expensive pipe on the whole network , can not be made as efficient as a conventional client/server setup ) .Efficient in what sense ?
Certainly not time in release cases .
If host A has a 100MB file and a 10MB/s connection , the most that host can upload that file at is 6/min .
At 10,000 users this takes about 28 hours.If the first torrent uploads to 2 people , and those two people to two more...etc it will quickly ( 4 hours ) beat the single host case even if every pipe after the first is 1/100th the speed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ..which is some of the shittiest and most expensive pipe on the whole network, cannot be made as efficient as a conventional client/server setup).Efficient in what sense?
Certainly not time in release cases.
If host A has a 100MB file and a 10MB/s connection, the most that host can upload that file at is 6/min.
At 10,000 users this takes about 28 hours.If the first torrent uploads to 2 people, and those two people to two more...etc it will quickly (4 hours) beat the single host case even if every pipe after the first is 1/100th the speed.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181430</id>
	<title>Nothing to see here...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258733100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It looks exactly like the Chrome/Chromium browser, with a few more desktop icons and a weird window manager.
<p>The only novelty is that the lack of a "shutdown" option seems to be intentional; the local machine is supposed to be stateless in the sense that it commits all transactions remotely before announcing their completion. Plan 9 also tried to achieve that goal, at least initially.
</p><p>Kudos to the people who put these images together, though--they've saved many of us significant time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It looks exactly like the Chrome/Chromium browser , with a few more desktop icons and a weird window manager .
The only novelty is that the lack of a " shutdown " option seems to be intentional ; the local machine is supposed to be stateless in the sense that it commits all transactions remotely before announcing their completion .
Plan 9 also tried to achieve that goal , at least initially .
Kudos to the people who put these images together , though--they 've saved many of us significant time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It looks exactly like the Chrome/Chromium browser, with a few more desktop icons and a weird window manager.
The only novelty is that the lack of a "shutdown" option seems to be intentional; the local machine is supposed to be stateless in the sense that it commits all transactions remotely before announcing their completion.
Plan 9 also tried to achieve that goal, at least initially.
Kudos to the people who put these images together, though--they've saved many of us significant time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181758</id>
	<title>fast</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258736520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2.4 MB/sec</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2.4 MB/sec</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2.4 MB/sec</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182306</id>
	<title>WoW</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258743900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wake me up when ChromeOS can run World of Warcraft</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wake me up when ChromeOS can run World of Warcraft</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wake me up when ChromeOS can run World of Warcraft</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181448</id>
	<title>Counterpoint</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1258733460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a lot of <a href="http://www.itworld.com/operating-systems/85512/take-chrome-os-test-spin" title="itworld.com" rel="nofollow">handwaving</a> [itworld.com] about how Chrome is not Windows, how it won't let you use photoshop on the netbook, as if you would.  Here's a hint: if you're trying to run Photoshop on a 10" screen, you're doing it wrong.
</p><p>Look for disastrous reports from Gartner, Forrester and of course the Rob Enderle / Maureen O'Gara flackalyst duet on how Chrome is the worst thing since smallpox. These are your clues that this is the real thing.  They said the same things about the When Google says they released the source, people build it and publish virtual machines the same day.
</p><p>Netbooks are stepping up in performance, as this <a href="http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/11/20/asus\_eee\_desktop\_netbook/" title="reghardware.co.uk" rel="nofollow">four-threaded model</a> [reghardware.co.uk] shows, and will soon be able to do many more things.  Yes, VDI is starting to ramp.  There is still a place for Chrome.  It's the dead-simple desktop interface that many of the technology impaired need.  It's a point on the graph twice the distance on the line from Debian to Ubuntu.
</p><p>A bunch of people are going to whine it doesn't support disk.  It's a next-generation operating system and solid state is the storage of the next generation.  It has local storage - just not the slow kind you're used to.  There is no more reason to support the legacy spinning disk on this platform than there is to support tape storage or floppy disk.  Moving parts are <i>so</i> 2008.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a lot of handwaving [ itworld.com ] about how Chrome is not Windows , how it wo n't let you use photoshop on the netbook , as if you would .
Here 's a hint : if you 're trying to run Photoshop on a 10 " screen , you 're doing it wrong .
Look for disastrous reports from Gartner , Forrester and of course the Rob Enderle / Maureen O'Gara flackalyst duet on how Chrome is the worst thing since smallpox .
These are your clues that this is the real thing .
They said the same things about the When Google says they released the source , people build it and publish virtual machines the same day .
Netbooks are stepping up in performance , as this four-threaded model [ reghardware.co.uk ] shows , and will soon be able to do many more things .
Yes , VDI is starting to ramp .
There is still a place for Chrome .
It 's the dead-simple desktop interface that many of the technology impaired need .
It 's a point on the graph twice the distance on the line from Debian to Ubuntu .
A bunch of people are going to whine it does n't support disk .
It 's a next-generation operating system and solid state is the storage of the next generation .
It has local storage - just not the slow kind you 're used to .
There is no more reason to support the legacy spinning disk on this platform than there is to support tape storage or floppy disk .
Moving parts are so 2008 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a lot of handwaving [itworld.com] about how Chrome is not Windows, how it won't let you use photoshop on the netbook, as if you would.
Here's a hint: if you're trying to run Photoshop on a 10" screen, you're doing it wrong.
Look for disastrous reports from Gartner, Forrester and of course the Rob Enderle / Maureen O'Gara flackalyst duet on how Chrome is the worst thing since smallpox.
These are your clues that this is the real thing.
They said the same things about the When Google says they released the source, people build it and publish virtual machines the same day.
Netbooks are stepping up in performance, as this four-threaded model [reghardware.co.uk] shows, and will soon be able to do many more things.
Yes, VDI is starting to ramp.
There is still a place for Chrome.
It's the dead-simple desktop interface that many of the technology impaired need.
It's a point on the graph twice the distance on the line from Debian to Ubuntu.
A bunch of people are going to whine it doesn't support disk.
It's a next-generation operating system and solid state is the storage of the next generation.
It has local storage - just not the slow kind you're used to.
There is no more reason to support the legacy spinning disk on this platform than there is to support tape storage or floppy disk.
Moving parts are so 2008.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30203314</id>
	<title>We, consumers, are Google's lifeline</title>
	<author>elcanon</author>
	<datestamp>1258998660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Call me paranoiac! Call me antique! Tell me whatever you want, but THEY MUST BE OUT OF THEIR MINDS if they think I would leave ALL my stuff on THEIR SERVERS.

It might be faster than blinking, but I simply DO-NOT-LIKE the paradigm they're trying to spread.


It reminds me the "old" ATM machines, when a mainframe did all the processing. I guess I don't have to recall it was a bank who owned the mainframe and that you must pay them periodically.


I think the idea of avoiding the startup delay is really cool, but has a SMALL detail.. data is stored on GOOGLE servers, which means if Google powers down their servers you cannot access your data.

Tomorrow Google could say, "ok, since now you must pay to use our services.." And that's when you regret your decisions. I haven't mentioned the fact they can do whatever they want with the data in their servers (yeah.. yeah.. the data confidentiality agreement - i don't think so).



Nevertheless, I think it might be suitable for some people in some cases. Computers would require less hardware, which is a pro.



In summary, I like the idea of speed up the OS, but I think some stuff is private property and must remain as such (at least for my stuff).</p></div><p>I generally agree with you about the absurdity of trusting one company with *all* of your personal data.  Call me optimstic, but I hope the marketplace and its ability to respond to choice (especially in the post-Web 2.0 world) will help us.  Google starts charging for access tomorrow?  EvilCo* acquires Google with a draconian TOS?  These events create another opportunity for someone, small and scrappy, to unseat Google's dominance, something of which I'm certain Google is emiently aware.  What feeds their stock price, value, and product pipeline?  We do, with every query, click-through, and gmail message.  If we go away from Google, they fade into oblivion.  Therein lies the beauty of the marketplace.  It's also why keeping the pipes (i.e. open-source technologies) free (as in freedom) is critical.</p><p>* Of course there is no provision for the data that EvilCo already has in this scenario.  If this were to actually occur, those of us in the cloud are screwed, only at the mercy of whatever protections governing bodies can provide.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Call me paranoiac !
Call me antique !
Tell me whatever you want , but THEY MUST BE OUT OF THEIR MINDS if they think I would leave ALL my stuff on THEIR SERVERS .
It might be faster than blinking , but I simply DO-NOT-LIKE the paradigm they 're trying to spread .
It reminds me the " old " ATM machines , when a mainframe did all the processing .
I guess I do n't have to recall it was a bank who owned the mainframe and that you must pay them periodically .
I think the idea of avoiding the startup delay is really cool , but has a SMALL detail.. data is stored on GOOGLE servers , which means if Google powers down their servers you can not access your data .
Tomorrow Google could say , " ok , since now you must pay to use our services.. " And that 's when you regret your decisions .
I have n't mentioned the fact they can do whatever they want with the data in their servers ( yeah.. yeah.. the data confidentiality agreement - i do n't think so ) .
Nevertheless , I think it might be suitable for some people in some cases .
Computers would require less hardware , which is a pro .
In summary , I like the idea of speed up the OS , but I think some stuff is private property and must remain as such ( at least for my stuff ) .I generally agree with you about the absurdity of trusting one company with * all * of your personal data .
Call me optimstic , but I hope the marketplace and its ability to respond to choice ( especially in the post-Web 2.0 world ) will help us .
Google starts charging for access tomorrow ?
EvilCo * acquires Google with a draconian TOS ?
These events create another opportunity for someone , small and scrappy , to unseat Google 's dominance , something of which I 'm certain Google is emiently aware .
What feeds their stock price , value , and product pipeline ?
We do , with every query , click-through , and gmail message .
If we go away from Google , they fade into oblivion .
Therein lies the beauty of the marketplace .
It 's also why keeping the pipes ( i.e .
open-source technologies ) free ( as in freedom ) is critical .
* Of course there is no provision for the data that EvilCo already has in this scenario .
If this were to actually occur , those of us in the cloud are screwed , only at the mercy of whatever protections governing bodies can provide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Call me paranoiac!
Call me antique!
Tell me whatever you want, but THEY MUST BE OUT OF THEIR MINDS if they think I would leave ALL my stuff on THEIR SERVERS.
It might be faster than blinking, but I simply DO-NOT-LIKE the paradigm they're trying to spread.
It reminds me the "old" ATM machines, when a mainframe did all the processing.
I guess I don't have to recall it was a bank who owned the mainframe and that you must pay them periodically.
I think the idea of avoiding the startup delay is really cool, but has a SMALL detail.. data is stored on GOOGLE servers, which means if Google powers down their servers you cannot access your data.
Tomorrow Google could say, "ok, since now you must pay to use our services.." And that's when you regret your decisions.
I haven't mentioned the fact they can do whatever they want with the data in their servers (yeah.. yeah.. the data confidentiality agreement - i don't think so).
Nevertheless, I think it might be suitable for some people in some cases.
Computers would require less hardware, which is a pro.
In summary, I like the idea of speed up the OS, but I think some stuff is private property and must remain as such (at least for my stuff).I generally agree with you about the absurdity of trusting one company with *all* of your personal data.
Call me optimstic, but I hope the marketplace and its ability to respond to choice (especially in the post-Web 2.0 world) will help us.
Google starts charging for access tomorrow?
EvilCo* acquires Google with a draconian TOS?
These events create another opportunity for someone, small and scrappy, to unseat Google's dominance, something of which I'm certain Google is emiently aware.
What feeds their stock price, value, and product pipeline?
We do, with every query, click-through, and gmail message.
If we go away from Google, they fade into oblivion.
Therein lies the beauty of the marketplace.
It's also why keeping the pipes (i.e.
open-source technologies) free (as in freedom) is critical.
* Of course there is no provision for the data that EvilCo already has in this scenario.
If this were to actually occur, those of us in the cloud are screwed, only at the mercy of whatever protections governing bodies can provide.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30187166</id>
	<title>Re:Define killer app</title>
	<author>CSMatt</author>
	<datestamp>1258836960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think that the standard six hours or less shows a peculiar lack of any progress. Sure, I can go to a coffee shop with my laptop. But I can't <em>relax</em> at a coffee shop with my laptop.</p></div><p>Somehow I don't think that has anything to do with how long your laptop lasts.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that the standard six hours or less shows a peculiar lack of any progress .
Sure , I can go to a coffee shop with my laptop .
But I ca n't relax at a coffee shop with my laptop.Somehow I do n't think that has anything to do with how long your laptop lasts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that the standard six hours or less shows a peculiar lack of any progress.
Sure, I can go to a coffee shop with my laptop.
But I can't relax at a coffee shop with my laptop.Somehow I don't think that has anything to do with how long your laptop lasts.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182062</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182628</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258835640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if its a reasonably sized file, i find dropbox works well as a file sharing system - all the advantages of bitorrent in a legitimate sense (large file transfers, incremental downloads, and checking if a file is correct), and a few more (web access). Sure, you're stuck with a 2gb account if you want a free one, but, that's enough for a cd or other reasonably sized upload</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if its a reasonably sized file , i find dropbox works well as a file sharing system - all the advantages of bitorrent in a legitimate sense ( large file transfers , incremental downloads , and checking if a file is correct ) , and a few more ( web access ) .
Sure , you 're stuck with a 2gb account if you want a free one , but , that 's enough for a cd or other reasonably sized upload</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if its a reasonably sized file, i find dropbox works well as a file sharing system - all the advantages of bitorrent in a legitimate sense (large file transfers, incremental downloads, and checking if a file is correct), and a few more (web access).
Sure, you're stuck with a 2gb account if you want a free one, but, that's enough for a cd or other reasonably sized upload</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30184454</id>
	<title>Official Page Here!</title>
	<author>zborro</author>
	<datestamp>1258820760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please use the apparently official page:</p><p><a href="http://getchrome.eu/download.php" title="getchrome.eu" rel="nofollow">http://getchrome.eu/download.php</a> [getchrome.eu]</p><p>Many ISO versions available...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please use the apparently official page : http : //getchrome.eu/download.php [ getchrome.eu ] Many ISO versions available.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please use the apparently official page:http://getchrome.eu/download.php [getchrome.eu]Many ISO versions available...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181524</id>
	<title>Re:Counterpoint</title>
	<author>gravos</author>
	<datestamp>1258734240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't expect nerds to be excited about this one so of course we're going to see these "LOL CHROME IS LMAO" comments like below. But Chrome OS really is sufficient for what many people want to do with their computers. I don't think my mother could really tell the difference between a netbook with Chrome OS and one with Windows, except that the one with Chrome OS gets her to what she wants to do faster.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't expect nerds to be excited about this one so of course we 're going to see these " LOL CHROME IS LMAO " comments like below .
But Chrome OS really is sufficient for what many people want to do with their computers .
I do n't think my mother could really tell the difference between a netbook with Chrome OS and one with Windows , except that the one with Chrome OS gets her to what she wants to do faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't expect nerds to be excited about this one so of course we're going to see these "LOL CHROME IS LMAO" comments like below.
But Chrome OS really is sufficient for what many people want to do with their computers.
I don't think my mother could really tell the difference between a netbook with Chrome OS and one with Windows, except that the one with Chrome OS gets her to what she wants to do faster.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182886</id>
	<title>Re:Oooh, shiny!</title>
	<author>reub2000</author>
	<datestamp>1258797540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's more like a browser running on bare hardware.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's more like a browser running on bare hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's more like a browser running on bare hardware.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181724</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>ZorbaTHut</author>
	<datestamp>1258736160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why the hell not?</p></div></blockquote><p>User confusion, really. Users are fragile and easily puzzled creatures. Every link you put on your website is a link the user can frantically flail onto and accidentally click. Then you end up with people on your forum asking why the OS isn't working. After all, they burned the file right onto the CD!</p><p>In the case of a beta OS meant to be run inside a VM, yeah, user competence is probably not a huge issue. In the case of an OS which is trying to be a mass-market OS, you want it to be as easy as humanly possible, and adding a torrent link to the homepage does not make things any easier.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why the hell not ? User confusion , really .
Users are fragile and easily puzzled creatures .
Every link you put on your website is a link the user can frantically flail onto and accidentally click .
Then you end up with people on your forum asking why the OS is n't working .
After all , they burned the file right onto the CD ! In the case of a beta OS meant to be run inside a VM , yeah , user competence is probably not a huge issue .
In the case of an OS which is trying to be a mass-market OS , you want it to be as easy as humanly possible , and adding a torrent link to the homepage does not make things any easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why the hell not?User confusion, really.
Users are fragile and easily puzzled creatures.
Every link you put on your website is a link the user can frantically flail onto and accidentally click.
Then you end up with people on your forum asking why the OS isn't working.
After all, they burned the file right onto the CD!In the case of a beta OS meant to be run inside a VM, yeah, user competence is probably not a huge issue.
In the case of an OS which is trying to be a mass-market OS, you want it to be as easy as humanly possible, and adding a torrent link to the homepage does not make things any easier.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181482</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183768</id>
	<title>Re:Counterpoint</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258814100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not everyone just uses their computer as a Web browser solely.  People do other stuff, such as write documents, balance their personal spreadsheet, play a decent game, and so on.  Of course, it can be said that one can use online versions of tools like Google Docs to do the same, but not everywhere in the world has Internet access, nor are people falling over themselves to store their personal finance and banking information in the cloud (and the security concerns storing data on someone else's servers brings).</p><p>There is just no real point of ChromeOS.  Users want their PC and their data to remain on their hard disk where it can be encrypted or at least stuffed in a removable hard disk.  For a second machine, people want the functionality, apps, and the UI their desktop has, which is why XP is the de facto standard for netbook operating systems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not everyone just uses their computer as a Web browser solely .
People do other stuff , such as write documents , balance their personal spreadsheet , play a decent game , and so on .
Of course , it can be said that one can use online versions of tools like Google Docs to do the same , but not everywhere in the world has Internet access , nor are people falling over themselves to store their personal finance and banking information in the cloud ( and the security concerns storing data on someone else 's servers brings ) .There is just no real point of ChromeOS .
Users want their PC and their data to remain on their hard disk where it can be encrypted or at least stuffed in a removable hard disk .
For a second machine , people want the functionality , apps , and the UI their desktop has , which is why XP is the de facto standard for netbook operating systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not everyone just uses their computer as a Web browser solely.
People do other stuff, such as write documents, balance their personal spreadsheet, play a decent game, and so on.
Of course, it can be said that one can use online versions of tools like Google Docs to do the same, but not everywhere in the world has Internet access, nor are people falling over themselves to store their personal finance and banking information in the cloud (and the security concerns storing data on someone else's servers brings).There is just no real point of ChromeOS.
Users want their PC and their data to remain on their hard disk where it can be encrypted or at least stuffed in a removable hard disk.
For a second machine, people want the functionality, apps, and the UI their desktop has, which is why XP is the de facto standard for netbook operating systems.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181524</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30231698</id>
	<title>Re:Define killer app</title>
	<author>snadrus</author>
	<datestamp>1257164220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You should try Ubuntu (latest). <br>
- 25s boot<br>
- Guest mode that hides your stuff from them and deletes whatever they save<br>
- Encrypted Home directory checkbox on install<br>

- I can run on ARM (your smart-phone's CPU). <br>
<br>But wait, there's more:<br>
- 1000 Local apps just a 1-click away.<br>
- Printers are easy to work with<br>
- Burning CDs is built-in<br>
- USB cameras, scanners, etc just work<br>
- Amazing range of hardware compatibility built-in (more than Vista).<br>
- Use your Windows-only or Mac-only hardware on the other system, or to ARM. <br> <br>
And that's not Ubuntu-specific, but most mainstream Linuxes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You should try Ubuntu ( latest ) .
- 25s boot - Guest mode that hides your stuff from them and deletes whatever they save - Encrypted Home directory checkbox on install - I can run on ARM ( your smart-phone 's CPU ) .
But wait , there 's more : - 1000 Local apps just a 1-click away .
- Printers are easy to work with - Burning CDs is built-in - USB cameras , scanners , etc just work - Amazing range of hardware compatibility built-in ( more than Vista ) .
- Use your Windows-only or Mac-only hardware on the other system , or to ARM .
And that 's not Ubuntu-specific , but most mainstream Linuxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should try Ubuntu (latest).
- 25s boot
- Guest mode that hides your stuff from them and deletes whatever they save
- Encrypted Home directory checkbox on install

- I can run on ARM (your smart-phone's CPU).
But wait, there's more:
- 1000 Local apps just a 1-click away.
- Printers are easy to work with
- Burning CDs is built-in
- USB cameras, scanners, etc just work
- Amazing range of hardware compatibility built-in (more than Vista).
- Use your Windows-only or Mac-only hardware on the other system, or to ARM.
And that's not Ubuntu-specific, but most mainstream Linuxes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182062</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182108</id>
	<title>No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258740540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's comments like yours Obispus that makes Slashdot THE place to come to for Informative commentary on where the computing world is heading.</p><p>Back to going over the Chrome OS source...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's comments like yours Obispus that makes Slashdot THE place to come to for Informative commentary on where the computing world is heading.Back to going over the Chrome OS source.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's comments like yours Obispus that makes Slashdot THE place to come to for Informative commentary on where the computing world is heading.Back to going over the Chrome OS source...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181430</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183866</id>
	<title>Re:The real deal about Chrome OS</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1258815360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is nothing in Chrome OS that forces you to connect to Google; so, you can leave your stuff on your own servers as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is nothing in Chrome OS that forces you to connect to Google ; so , you can leave your stuff on your own servers as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is nothing in Chrome OS that forces you to connect to Google; so, you can leave your stuff on your own servers as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181912</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181696</id>
	<title>Re:Shameless Plug</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258735980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can also "steal" my login information:



username: ninny<p>
password: password</p><p>


It will work until some wanker changes the password. .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can also " steal " my login information : username : ninny password : password It will work until some wanker changes the password .
.</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can also "steal" my login information:



username: ninny
password: password


It will work until some wanker changes the password.
.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181566</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30185638</id>
	<title>Re:Shameless Plug</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1258827300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because making an account on some shady website that's exploiting the situation seems wrong.</p></div><p>That is why god made throwaway accounts.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because making an account on some shady website that 's exploiting the situation seems wrong.That is why god made throwaway accounts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because making an account on some shady website that's exploiting the situation seems wrong.That is why god made throwaway accounts.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181566</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181754</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>mister\_playboy</author>
	<datestamp>1258736520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I understand exactly how torrents work.  You are doing more with less in the sense that the file's uploading does not depend on only <b>your</b> bandwidth capabilities... which were not sufficient in the Ubuntu example I gave.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand exactly how torrents work .
You are doing more with less in the sense that the file 's uploading does not depend on only your bandwidth capabilities... which were not sufficient in the Ubuntu example I gave .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand exactly how torrents work.
You are doing more with less in the sense that the file's uploading does not depend on only your bandwidth capabilities... which were not sufficient in the Ubuntu example I gave.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181648</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182078</id>
	<title>but the performance hit...</title>
	<author>Gible</author>
	<datestamp>1258740180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So you could just run this and save Google the hassle of creating linux or mac versions of Chrome<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>So you could just run this and save Google the hassle of creating linux or mac versions of Chrome : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you could just run this and save Google the hassle of creating linux or mac versions of Chrome :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183548</id>
	<title>Re:Oooh, shiny!</title>
	<author>slim</author>
	<datestamp>1258810440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>First of all, it's not an OS, so please don't call it an OS.</p></div><p>I'm completely baffled by this. How is it not an OS? I know it's an overloaded term (just the kernel vs. kernel + core userspace) but either way, this ticks the boxes.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> need to be able to write/compile/debug software that executes on my actual hardware, not just on some virtual machine in the sky.</p></div><p>Why?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , it 's not an OS , so please do n't call it an OS.I 'm completely baffled by this .
How is it not an OS ?
I know it 's an overloaded term ( just the kernel vs. kernel + core userspace ) but either way , this ticks the boxes .
need to be able to write/compile/debug software that executes on my actual hardware , not just on some virtual machine in the sky.Why ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, it's not an OS, so please don't call it an OS.I'm completely baffled by this.
How is it not an OS?
I know it's an overloaded term (just the kernel vs. kernel + core userspace) but either way, this ticks the boxes.
need to be able to write/compile/debug software that executes on my actual hardware, not just on some virtual machine in the sky.Why?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182432</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183710</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258813260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>there's nothing wrong with bittorrent, it's just that most clients come misconfigured by default, with a huge number of active connections allowed, this has a tendency to hose most consumer routers just keeping track of peers, limit active connections in your client and things work a lot better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there 's nothing wrong with bittorrent , it 's just that most clients come misconfigured by default , with a huge number of active connections allowed , this has a tendency to hose most consumer routers just keeping track of peers , limit active connections in your client and things work a lot better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there's nothing wrong with bittorrent, it's just that most clients come misconfigured by default, with a huge number of active connections allowed, this has a tendency to hose most consumer routers just keeping track of peers, limit active connections in your client and things work a lot better.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181646</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182792</id>
	<title>Why would I ever make an account at gdgt?</title>
	<author>afed125</author>
	<datestamp>1258795800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They're using someone elses work to grab subscribers, and slashdot is complicit by providing this advertisement for their scammy shitty web site.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're using someone elses work to grab subscribers , and slashdot is complicit by providing this advertisement for their scammy shitty web site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're using someone elses work to grab subscribers, and slashdot is complicit by providing this advertisement for their scammy shitty web site.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183286</id>
	<title>If this were the real thing...</title>
	<author>Taimoor</author>
	<datestamp>1258805040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We'd have a caption like this: No CLI. Less space than a harddrive. Lame.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 'd have a caption like this : No CLI .
Less space than a harddrive .
Lame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We'd have a caption like this: No CLI.
Less space than a harddrive.
Lame.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182100</id>
	<title>Re:No thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258740420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt;&gt;Everything else they've done since search has been a waste of time.
<br> Gmail? - waste of time. checked.
<br> Picasa - waste of time. checked.
<br> google docs/calendar - waste of time. checked.
<br> Android - waste of time. checked.
<br> Me finding old historical books for free on Google books - waste of time. Checked.
<br> <br>You are right!! Everything, I mean, every fucking thing they did was waste of time.
<br> <br>Now go back and start sucking steve job's dick. he is missing you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; Everything else they 've done since search has been a waste of time .
Gmail ? - waste of time .
checked . Picasa - waste of time .
checked . google docs/calendar - waste of time .
checked . Android - waste of time .
checked . Me finding old historical books for free on Google books - waste of time .
Checked . You are right ! !
Everything , I mean , every fucking thing they did was waste of time .
Now go back and start sucking steve job 's dick .
he is missing you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;Everything else they've done since search has been a waste of time.
Gmail? - waste of time.
checked.
 Picasa - waste of time.
checked.
 google docs/calendar - waste of time.
checked.
 Android - waste of time.
checked.
 Me finding old historical books for free on Google books - waste of time.
Checked.
 You are right!!
Everything, I mean, every fucking thing they did was waste of time.
Now go back and start sucking steve job's dick.
he is missing you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181628</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30191492</id>
	<title>Re:No thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258831980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft IS worried, just look how fierce/irrational the astroturfers are onto ChromeOS.<br><br>You fail at failing!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft IS worried , just look how fierce/irrational the astroturfers are onto ChromeOS.You fail at failing !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft IS worried, just look how fierce/irrational the astroturfers are onto ChromeOS.You fail at failing!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181628</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181914</id>
	<title>Yes, Less Bandwidth used .. depends where you live</title>
	<author>ub3r n3u7r4l1st</author>
	<datestamp>1258738200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most ISPs in the U.S.A. throttle torrent traffics, so you don't actually see the speed increase. Or you might even get completely blocked, in the case of universities network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most ISPs in the U.S.A. throttle torrent traffics , so you do n't actually see the speed increase .
Or you might even get completely blocked , in the case of universities network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most ISPs in the U.S.A. throttle torrent traffics, so you don't actually see the speed increase.
Or you might even get completely blocked, in the case of universities network.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181482</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30186864</id>
	<title>Which is why the bullshit in the original AC's pos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258834980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which is why the bullshit in the original AC's post is a troll. I'm refuting this point of view.<br><a href="http://danjoy12.blogspot.com/" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/a</a> [blogspot.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is why the bullshit in the original AC 's post is a troll .
I 'm refuting this point of view .
/a [ blogspot.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is why the bullshit in the original AC's post is a troll.
I'm refuting this point of view.
/a [blogspot.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30192868</id>
	<title>Better Torrent (I guess)</title>
	<author>AlgorithMan</author>
	<datestamp>1258900740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5170843/chromeos-image-999.999.32309.211410-a1.vmdk.bz2" title="thepiratebay.org">The Pirate Bay</a> [thepiratebay.org] has a<nobr> <wbr></nobr><a href="http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/5170843/chromeos-image-999.999.32309.211410-a1.vmdk.bz2.5170843.TPB.torrent" title="thepiratebay.org">.torrent</a> [thepiratebay.org] for the bzipped (280 MB) file instead of your 700 MB one...<br> <br>

and it has 10 times more seeders...<br> <br>

I'm still loading, so I can't say for sure, that it's no fake (and not infected with something), but it has a good rating...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Pirate Bay [ thepiratebay.org ] has a .torrent [ thepiratebay.org ] for the bzipped ( 280 MB ) file instead of your 700 MB one.. . and it has 10 times more seeders.. . I 'm still loading , so I ca n't say for sure , that it 's no fake ( and not infected with something ) , but it has a good rating.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Pirate Bay [thepiratebay.org] has a .torrent [thepiratebay.org] for the bzipped (280 MB) file instead of your 700 MB one... 

and it has 10 times more seeders... 

I'm still loading, so I can't say for sure, that it's no fake (and not infected with something), but it has a good rating...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181566</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182712</id>
	<title>Re:Counterpoint</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258794060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sick of companies dumping tired crap that brings no innovation to the table while limiting usability and promoting user lockin.  Somehow people find the strength to rally behind this nonsense simply because its "NEW" and everything else must be "legacy"</p><p>Moving parts are better than electron tunneling eating away at the oxide of transister arrays, limited storage space OR rediculous prices and lousy effective (random write) performance.</p><p>I can't wait for the day when the persistant storage problem will be solved and moving platters will finally be a thing of the past but that day isn't today or anytime in the forseeable future unfortunately.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sick of companies dumping tired crap that brings no innovation to the table while limiting usability and promoting user lockin .
Somehow people find the strength to rally behind this nonsense simply because its " NEW " and everything else must be " legacy " Moving parts are better than electron tunneling eating away at the oxide of transister arrays , limited storage space OR rediculous prices and lousy effective ( random write ) performance.I ca n't wait for the day when the persistant storage problem will be solved and moving platters will finally be a thing of the past but that day is n't today or anytime in the forseeable future unfortunately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sick of companies dumping tired crap that brings no innovation to the table while limiting usability and promoting user lockin.
Somehow people find the strength to rally behind this nonsense simply because its "NEW" and everything else must be "legacy"Moving parts are better than electron tunneling eating away at the oxide of transister arrays, limited storage space OR rediculous prices and lousy effective (random write) performance.I can't wait for the day when the persistant storage problem will be solved and moving platters will finally be a thing of the past but that day isn't today or anytime in the forseeable future unfortunately.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183762</id>
	<title>getting console</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258813980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ctrl+alt+t will open up a console session</p><p>F8 will give you a screen with other keyboard shortcuts (there's a bunch of stuff that's interesting).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ctrl + alt + t will open up a console sessionF8 will give you a screen with other keyboard shortcuts ( there 's a bunch of stuff that 's interesting ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ctrl+alt+t will open up a console sessionF8 will give you a screen with other keyboard shortcuts (there's a bunch of stuff that's interesting).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182042</id>
	<title>Site is already slashdoted</title>
	<author>kokoko1</author>
	<datestamp>1258739820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmm <a href="http://gdgt.com/google/chrome-os/download/" title="gdgt.com" rel="nofollow">http://gdgt.com/google/chrome-os/download/</a> [gdgt.com]  not working, please do not slashdot the site which are not ready to take the load, or atleast let them be ready for high volume of traffic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm http : //gdgt.com/google/chrome-os/download/ [ gdgt.com ] not working , please do not slashdot the site which are not ready to take the load , or atleast let them be ready for high volume of traffic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm http://gdgt.com/google/chrome-os/download/ [gdgt.com]  not working, please do not slashdot the site which are not ready to take the load, or atleast let them be ready for high volume of traffic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30184256</id>
	<title>Well, you can always run Debian on it...</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1258819140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I got really excited until I realised that this wasn't for the DEC Alpha processor.</p></div><p>Good news everyone!  If you have a CPU, you can run debian on it.</p><p>From the list of supported architectures:</p><ul><li>x86</li><li>PowerPC</li><li>m68k</li><li>alpha</li><li>PDP-11</li><li>MOS 6502 8-bit microprocessor (Bender and the Terminator)</li><li>AP-101 (space shuttle)</li><li>Toasters</li><li>A dead badger</li></ul></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I got really excited until I realised that this was n't for the DEC Alpha processor.Good news everyone !
If you have a CPU , you can run debian on it.From the list of supported architectures : x86PowerPCm68kalphaPDP-11MOS 6502 8-bit microprocessor ( Bender and the Terminator ) AP-101 ( space shuttle ) ToastersA dead badger</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got really excited until I realised that this wasn't for the DEC Alpha processor.Good news everyone!
If you have a CPU, you can run debian on it.From the list of supported architectures:x86PowerPCm68kalphaPDP-11MOS 6502 8-bit microprocessor (Bender and the Terminator)AP-101 (space shuttle)ToastersA dead badger
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181446</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30185622</id>
	<title>Re:Counterpoint</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1258827240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There is no more reason to support the legacy spinning disk on this platform than there is to support tape storage or floppy disk. Moving parts are so 2008.</p></div><p>You just blew any credibility you might have had.</p><p>Oh, and you forgot to fill in your post with every other word being a fall/winter 2009 buzzword. ( tho you did mention VDI, so you get one point in the buzzword scoring system ). I really expected you to say 'cloud' a few times too, negative 5 for that.</p><p>'Legacy' is what makes the world work, get used to it..</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no more reason to support the legacy spinning disk on this platform than there is to support tape storage or floppy disk .
Moving parts are so 2008.You just blew any credibility you might have had.Oh , and you forgot to fill in your post with every other word being a fall/winter 2009 buzzword .
( tho you did mention VDI , so you get one point in the buzzword scoring system ) .
I really expected you to say 'cloud ' a few times too , negative 5 for that .
'Legacy ' is what makes the world work , get used to it. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no more reason to support the legacy spinning disk on this platform than there is to support tape storage or floppy disk.
Moving parts are so 2008.You just blew any credibility you might have had.Oh, and you forgot to fill in your post with every other word being a fall/winter 2009 buzzword.
( tho you did mention VDI, so you get one point in the buzzword scoring system ).
I really expected you to say 'cloud' a few times too, negative 5 for that.
'Legacy' is what makes the world work, get used to it..
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182432</id>
	<title>Oooh, shiny!</title>
	<author>Shimmer</author>
	<datestamp>1258745820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>C'mon people. I'm sure this is a very nice project and perhaps it might eventually be popular with Grandma Homeuser, but is everyone so dumbstruck by the Google name that they can't state what must be said?</p><p>First of all, it's not an OS, so please don't call it an OS. That term has an actual prior meaning that should not be hijacked in an attempt to sound geeky-cool. Perhaps "operating environment" is the right term? In any case, it's just a web app in the end.</p><p>Secondly, as a developer, I will never ever ever use this kind of app as my main interface. I need to be able to write/compile/debug software that executes on my actual hardware, not just on some virtual machine in the sky. If you take that away from me, you are taking away one of my most important freedoms. Not to mention that you're also thrusting me back into the 1960's. I own a computer, not just a "terminal".</p><p>Third, all your data lives in the cloud. This isn't a showstopper for me personally, but I know it's a big problem for many people. Speak up!</p><p>Folks, once the coolness factor wears off, are you really going to want this? I think not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>C'mon people .
I 'm sure this is a very nice project and perhaps it might eventually be popular with Grandma Homeuser , but is everyone so dumbstruck by the Google name that they ca n't state what must be said ? First of all , it 's not an OS , so please do n't call it an OS .
That term has an actual prior meaning that should not be hijacked in an attempt to sound geeky-cool .
Perhaps " operating environment " is the right term ?
In any case , it 's just a web app in the end.Secondly , as a developer , I will never ever ever use this kind of app as my main interface .
I need to be able to write/compile/debug software that executes on my actual hardware , not just on some virtual machine in the sky .
If you take that away from me , you are taking away one of my most important freedoms .
Not to mention that you 're also thrusting me back into the 1960 's .
I own a computer , not just a " terminal " .Third , all your data lives in the cloud .
This is n't a showstopper for me personally , but I know it 's a big problem for many people .
Speak up ! Folks , once the coolness factor wears off , are you really going to want this ?
I think not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>C'mon people.
I'm sure this is a very nice project and perhaps it might eventually be popular with Grandma Homeuser, but is everyone so dumbstruck by the Google name that they can't state what must be said?First of all, it's not an OS, so please don't call it an OS.
That term has an actual prior meaning that should not be hijacked in an attempt to sound geeky-cool.
Perhaps "operating environment" is the right term?
In any case, it's just a web app in the end.Secondly, as a developer, I will never ever ever use this kind of app as my main interface.
I need to be able to write/compile/debug software that executes on my actual hardware, not just on some virtual machine in the sky.
If you take that away from me, you are taking away one of my most important freedoms.
Not to mention that you're also thrusting me back into the 1960's.
I own a computer, not just a "terminal".Third, all your data lives in the cloud.
This isn't a showstopper for me personally, but I know it's a big problem for many people.
Speak up!Folks, once the coolness factor wears off, are you really going to want this?
I think not.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182968</id>
	<title>Re:Not interested</title>
	<author>bhima</author>
	<datestamp>1258799400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gears / HTML5</p><p>Please try to keep up, the mindless poorly reasoned whining about Chrome OS was yesterday.</p><p>Probably it's a better idea to wait until there is some sort of Beta release available, instead of this very alpha release.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gears / HTML5Please try to keep up , the mindless poorly reasoned whining about Chrome OS was yesterday.Probably it 's a better idea to wait until there is some sort of Beta release available , instead of this very alpha release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gears / HTML5Please try to keep up, the mindless poorly reasoned whining about Chrome OS was yesterday.Probably it's a better idea to wait until there is some sort of Beta release available, instead of this very alpha release.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181618</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183654</id>
	<title>Doesn't work behind proxies</title>
	<author>asterix\_2k1</author>
	<datestamp>1258812240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Useless 300Mb worth of sh*t because it cannot authenticate my google id (I am behind a proxy). Why do I have to be connected to the internet to have a peek at the OS?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Useless 300Mb worth of sh * t because it can not authenticate my google id ( I am behind a proxy ) .
Why do I have to be connected to the internet to have a peek at the OS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Useless 300Mb worth of sh*t because it cannot authenticate my google id (I am behind a proxy).
Why do I have to be connected to the internet to have a peek at the OS?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30184880</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1258823160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Efficient in what sense? Certainly not time</i></p><p>No not time.  Network overhead.  It actually costs bandwidth to maintain 50 TCP connections instead of 1. Yes you get it faster, but at the cost of transferring more bytes overall.  If we were all paying by the kb, torrents would be marginally more expensive in aggregate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Efficient in what sense ?
Certainly not timeNo not time .
Network overhead .
It actually costs bandwidth to maintain 50 TCP connections instead of 1 .
Yes you get it faster , but at the cost of transferring more bytes overall .
If we were all paying by the kb , torrents would be marginally more expensive in aggregate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Efficient in what sense?
Certainly not timeNo not time.
Network overhead.
It actually costs bandwidth to maintain 50 TCP connections instead of 1.
Yes you get it faster, but at the cost of transferring more bytes overall.
If we were all paying by the kb, torrents would be marginally more expensive in aggregate.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182102</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182314</id>
	<title>Re:Counterpoint</title>
	<author>KibibyteBrain</author>
	<datestamp>1258743960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You'd be amazed what sane people will try to do on their notebooks and netbooks. At the end of the day it's a 10" computer. For it to not do anything a 10" computer could in theory do is surely a negative any way you try to slice it. For example, I don't have Photoshop on my netbook, but I do have GIMP and Paint.NET. I have used them to do touchups that would have been hard if impossible to do in a web application, if only because I would have had to upload fairly large images. I have edited quick videos on a netbook. Not because I wanted to but because I had it there at the time.
The whole point of a netbook is to have a computer when you normally wouldn't be able to have one with you. If you just want a simple portable data access device, try a smartphone. The iPhone or an Android phone can do everything ChromeOS on a 10" netbook can do, and more. So I'd really ask, if you just want a netbook to check email and search the web, it is in fact YOU who are doing it "wrong".</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'd be amazed what sane people will try to do on their notebooks and netbooks .
At the end of the day it 's a 10 " computer .
For it to not do anything a 10 " computer could in theory do is surely a negative any way you try to slice it .
For example , I do n't have Photoshop on my netbook , but I do have GIMP and Paint.NET .
I have used them to do touchups that would have been hard if impossible to do in a web application , if only because I would have had to upload fairly large images .
I have edited quick videos on a netbook .
Not because I wanted to but because I had it there at the time .
The whole point of a netbook is to have a computer when you normally would n't be able to have one with you .
If you just want a simple portable data access device , try a smartphone .
The iPhone or an Android phone can do everything ChromeOS on a 10 " netbook can do , and more .
So I 'd really ask , if you just want a netbook to check email and search the web , it is in fact YOU who are doing it " wrong " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'd be amazed what sane people will try to do on their notebooks and netbooks.
At the end of the day it's a 10" computer.
For it to not do anything a 10" computer could in theory do is surely a negative any way you try to slice it.
For example, I don't have Photoshop on my netbook, but I do have GIMP and Paint.NET.
I have used them to do touchups that would have been hard if impossible to do in a web application, if only because I would have had to upload fairly large images.
I have edited quick videos on a netbook.
Not because I wanted to but because I had it there at the time.
The whole point of a netbook is to have a computer when you normally wouldn't be able to have one with you.
If you just want a simple portable data access device, try a smartphone.
The iPhone or an Android phone can do everything ChromeOS on a 10" netbook can do, and more.
So I'd really ask, if you just want a netbook to check email and search the web, it is in fact YOU who are doing it "wrong".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183630</id>
	<title>RTFA</title>
	<author>Danzigism</author>
	<datestamp>1258811820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not here to bash Google or to talk about what IS or IS NOT an operating system. But the GDGT vmware image runs horrible on my machine. Even after dedicating 4+ gigs of RAM to the VM. Not sure if it's just a mega mega beta release, but I'd like to see how it runs natively on a netbook or something. The videos shown at their conference were pretty impressive. Oh and most people are forgetting that "UI IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE" for christ's sake quit your Google belly aching. they know what they're doing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not here to bash Google or to talk about what IS or IS NOT an operating system .
But the GDGT vmware image runs horrible on my machine .
Even after dedicating 4 + gigs of RAM to the VM .
Not sure if it 's just a mega mega beta release , but I 'd like to see how it runs natively on a netbook or something .
The videos shown at their conference were pretty impressive .
Oh and most people are forgetting that " UI IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE " for christ 's sake quit your Google belly aching .
they know what they 're doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not here to bash Google or to talk about what IS or IS NOT an operating system.
But the GDGT vmware image runs horrible on my machine.
Even after dedicating 4+ gigs of RAM to the VM.
Not sure if it's just a mega mega beta release, but I'd like to see how it runs natively on a netbook or something.
The videos shown at their conference were pretty impressive.
Oh and most people are forgetting that "UI IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE" for christ's sake quit your Google belly aching.
they know what they're doing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182258</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258743300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who gives a shit that they're inefficient, what matters is that my download speed will be 1200 times as fast as 1 KB with a torrent because I won't be relying on a piece of shit mirror being banged by the 1000 users of Linux to DL their distro. Torrents give you better speed because you can take one piece from the server, share it, then intershare it between all the different peers. It works.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who gives a shit that they 're inefficient , what matters is that my download speed will be 1200 times as fast as 1 KB with a torrent because I wo n't be relying on a piece of shit mirror being banged by the 1000 users of Linux to DL their distro .
Torrents give you better speed because you can take one piece from the server , share it , then intershare it between all the different peers .
It works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who gives a shit that they're inefficient, what matters is that my download speed will be 1200 times as fast as 1 KB with a torrent because I won't be relying on a piece of shit mirror being banged by the 1000 users of Linux to DL their distro.
Torrents give you better speed because you can take one piece from the server, share it, then intershare it between all the different peers.
It works.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181736</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183298</id>
	<title>Re:Counterpoint</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1258805280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>There's a lot of handwaving about how Chrome is not Windows, how it won't let you use photoshop on the netbook, as if you would. Here's a hint: if you're trying to run Photoshop on a 10" screen, you're doing it wrong. </i></p><p>If you're a photographer doing rough edits and need quick turn around (eg. journalism, even wedding photography these days) a netbook that allows you to do quick edits is a much better option than an image tank (hard drive plus card reader and undersized screen for backing up photos). Price is similar. Size unfortunately is not so some will still use the image tank option when size counts (eg. if travelling). Of course an even better option is a small laptop that's capable of burning to CD or DVD.</p><p>Sure if you're trying to do highly detailed work on a netbook there are probably easier ways. But don't knock it just because it's not YOUR use case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a lot of handwaving about how Chrome is not Windows , how it wo n't let you use photoshop on the netbook , as if you would .
Here 's a hint : if you 're trying to run Photoshop on a 10 " screen , you 're doing it wrong .
If you 're a photographer doing rough edits and need quick turn around ( eg .
journalism , even wedding photography these days ) a netbook that allows you to do quick edits is a much better option than an image tank ( hard drive plus card reader and undersized screen for backing up photos ) .
Price is similar .
Size unfortunately is not so some will still use the image tank option when size counts ( eg .
if travelling ) .
Of course an even better option is a small laptop that 's capable of burning to CD or DVD.Sure if you 're trying to do highly detailed work on a netbook there are probably easier ways .
But do n't knock it just because it 's not YOUR use case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a lot of handwaving about how Chrome is not Windows, how it won't let you use photoshop on the netbook, as if you would.
Here's a hint: if you're trying to run Photoshop on a 10" screen, you're doing it wrong.
If you're a photographer doing rough edits and need quick turn around (eg.
journalism, even wedding photography these days) a netbook that allows you to do quick edits is a much better option than an image tank (hard drive plus card reader and undersized screen for backing up photos).
Price is similar.
Size unfortunately is not so some will still use the image tank option when size counts (eg.
if travelling).
Of course an even better option is a small laptop that's capable of burning to CD or DVD.Sure if you're trying to do highly detailed work on a netbook there are probably easier ways.
But don't knock it just because it's not YOUR use case.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182934</id>
	<title>Why would I waste my bandwidth for...</title>
	<author>emanem</author>
	<datestamp>1258798740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... a (crappy) browser that doesn't let me do anything but what firefox does (maybe even better)?<br>
No seriously, why?<br>
<br>
To me Chrome OS is not an OS, is an os with only a broswer on top.<br>
What happens when the internet is down?<br>
What? What? What?<br>
Will google success on this cr*p?<br>
<br>
Ciao!</htmltext>
<tokenext>... a ( crappy ) browser that does n't let me do anything but what firefox does ( maybe even better ) ?
No seriously , why ?
To me Chrome OS is not an OS , is an os with only a broswer on top .
What happens when the internet is down ?
What ? What ?
What ? Will google success on this cr * p ?
Ciao !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... a (crappy) browser that doesn't let me do anything but what firefox does (maybe even better)?
No seriously, why?
To me Chrome OS is not an OS, is an os with only a broswer on top.
What happens when the internet is down?
What? What?
What?
Will google success on this cr*p?
Ciao!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182226</id>
	<title>Re:Not interested</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1258742400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True, but for that there's, oh, every other OS on the face of this planet. I'd recommend Minix, just for kicks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True , but for that there 's , oh , every other OS on the face of this planet .
I 'd recommend Minix , just for kicks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True, but for that there's, oh, every other OS on the face of this planet.
I'd recommend Minix, just for kicks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181618</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30184570</id>
	<title>Re:The real deal about Chrome OS</title>
	<author>tchi.keufte</author>
	<datestamp>1258821360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I totally agree.
Moreover, what is this "cloud" everyone keeps talking of ? Is it a bunch of corporations dividing their world (the web) into slices / market share, sharing your data between themselves, using it as a currency ? We all know that there are 2 kinds of currencies on the web : data and audience.
Google invented nothing really new here with this Chrome platform : They just carefully selected where your data will be stored : On their servers. They're trying to shrink the web to a bunch of big actors, exactly like what was done with territory during the Yalta conference (february 1945) after WWII.

They want everyone to adopt this platform by simplifying user experience, and more precisely by simplifying his thinking : They don't want the user to bother about data storage. It would indeed be nice not to worry about data storage, and actually, it can be done without giving all the data to one company.

There's just another way of making data persistent on the internet : Think of Freenet and other systems like that. Your data is stored everywhere, as encrypted chunks of data, replicated, on a good number of users computers (a bit like an encrypted RAID5 system on the internet). Your data is replicated closer to where it's more frequently (and heavily) accessed.

And for some of your data, you don't want it to be replicated everywhere, so you have to host this kind of data (private data, and also public but frequently updated data).

The internet could be a platform where every point (PCs, laptops, smartphones, microwaves ovens, whatever) could be a unit of storage, routing / load balancing, computing, input/output &amp; application server... and all these points could cooperate making a uniform system thanks to standards. Actually, today's internet has all the infrastructure to become such a P2P platform.

I prefer to see the future of internet as not too cloudy. I vote against Google's "cloud". I vote for everyone's peer-to-peer internet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally agree .
Moreover , what is this " cloud " everyone keeps talking of ?
Is it a bunch of corporations dividing their world ( the web ) into slices / market share , sharing your data between themselves , using it as a currency ?
We all know that there are 2 kinds of currencies on the web : data and audience .
Google invented nothing really new here with this Chrome platform : They just carefully selected where your data will be stored : On their servers .
They 're trying to shrink the web to a bunch of big actors , exactly like what was done with territory during the Yalta conference ( february 1945 ) after WWII .
They want everyone to adopt this platform by simplifying user experience , and more precisely by simplifying his thinking : They do n't want the user to bother about data storage .
It would indeed be nice not to worry about data storage , and actually , it can be done without giving all the data to one company .
There 's just another way of making data persistent on the internet : Think of Freenet and other systems like that .
Your data is stored everywhere , as encrypted chunks of data , replicated , on a good number of users computers ( a bit like an encrypted RAID5 system on the internet ) .
Your data is replicated closer to where it 's more frequently ( and heavily ) accessed .
And for some of your data , you do n't want it to be replicated everywhere , so you have to host this kind of data ( private data , and also public but frequently updated data ) .
The internet could be a platform where every point ( PCs , laptops , smartphones , microwaves ovens , whatever ) could be a unit of storage , routing / load balancing , computing , input/output &amp; application server... and all these points could cooperate making a uniform system thanks to standards .
Actually , today 's internet has all the infrastructure to become such a P2P platform .
I prefer to see the future of internet as not too cloudy .
I vote against Google 's " cloud " .
I vote for everyone 's peer-to-peer internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally agree.
Moreover, what is this "cloud" everyone keeps talking of ?
Is it a bunch of corporations dividing their world (the web) into slices / market share, sharing your data between themselves, using it as a currency ?
We all know that there are 2 kinds of currencies on the web : data and audience.
Google invented nothing really new here with this Chrome platform : They just carefully selected where your data will be stored : On their servers.
They're trying to shrink the web to a bunch of big actors, exactly like what was done with territory during the Yalta conference (february 1945) after WWII.
They want everyone to adopt this platform by simplifying user experience, and more precisely by simplifying his thinking : They don't want the user to bother about data storage.
It would indeed be nice not to worry about data storage, and actually, it can be done without giving all the data to one company.
There's just another way of making data persistent on the internet : Think of Freenet and other systems like that.
Your data is stored everywhere, as encrypted chunks of data, replicated, on a good number of users computers (a bit like an encrypted RAID5 system on the internet).
Your data is replicated closer to where it's more frequently (and heavily) accessed.
And for some of your data, you don't want it to be replicated everywhere, so you have to host this kind of data (private data, and also public but frequently updated data).
The internet could be a platform where every point (PCs, laptops, smartphones, microwaves ovens, whatever) could be a unit of storage, routing / load balancing, computing, input/output &amp; application server... and all these points could cooperate making a uniform system thanks to standards.
Actually, today's internet has all the infrastructure to become such a P2P platform.
I prefer to see the future of internet as not too cloudy.
I vote against Google's "cloud".
I vote for everyone's peer-to-peer internet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181912</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181912</id>
	<title>The real deal about Chrome OS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258738200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Call me paranoiac! Call me antique! Tell me whatever you want, but THEY MUST BE OUT OF THEIR MINDS if they think I would leave ALL my stuff on THEIR SERVERS.<br>
It might be faster than blinking, but I simply DO-NOT-LIKE the paradigm they're trying to spread.<br> <br>
It reminds me the "old" ATM machines, when a mainframe did all the processing. I guess I don't have to recall it was a bank who owned the mainframe and that you must pay them periodically.<br> <br>
I think the idea of avoiding the startup delay is really cool, but has a SMALL detail.. data is stored on GOOGLE servers, which means if Google powers down their servers you cannot access your data. <br>
Tomorrow Google could say, "ok, since now you must pay to use our services.." And that's when you regret your decisions. I haven't mentioned the fact they can do whatever they want with the data in their servers (yeah.. yeah.. the data confidentiality agreement - i don't think so).<br>
<br>
Nevertheless, I think it might be suitable for some people in some cases. Computers would require less hardware, which is a pro.<br>
<br>
In summary, I like the idea of speed up the OS, but I think some stuff is private property and must remain as such (at least for my stuff).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Call me paranoiac !
Call me antique !
Tell me whatever you want , but THEY MUST BE OUT OF THEIR MINDS if they think I would leave ALL my stuff on THEIR SERVERS .
It might be faster than blinking , but I simply DO-NOT-LIKE the paradigm they 're trying to spread .
It reminds me the " old " ATM machines , when a mainframe did all the processing .
I guess I do n't have to recall it was a bank who owned the mainframe and that you must pay them periodically .
I think the idea of avoiding the startup delay is really cool , but has a SMALL detail.. data is stored on GOOGLE servers , which means if Google powers down their servers you can not access your data .
Tomorrow Google could say , " ok , since now you must pay to use our services.. " And that 's when you regret your decisions .
I have n't mentioned the fact they can do whatever they want with the data in their servers ( yeah.. yeah.. the data confidentiality agreement - i do n't think so ) .
Nevertheless , I think it might be suitable for some people in some cases .
Computers would require less hardware , which is a pro .
In summary , I like the idea of speed up the OS , but I think some stuff is private property and must remain as such ( at least for my stuff ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Call me paranoiac!
Call me antique!
Tell me whatever you want, but THEY MUST BE OUT OF THEIR MINDS if they think I would leave ALL my stuff on THEIR SERVERS.
It might be faster than blinking, but I simply DO-NOT-LIKE the paradigm they're trying to spread.
It reminds me the "old" ATM machines, when a mainframe did all the processing.
I guess I don't have to recall it was a bank who owned the mainframe and that you must pay them periodically.
I think the idea of avoiding the startup delay is really cool, but has a SMALL detail.. data is stored on GOOGLE servers, which means if Google powers down their servers you cannot access your data.
Tomorrow Google could say, "ok, since now you must pay to use our services.." And that's when you regret your decisions.
I haven't mentioned the fact they can do whatever they want with the data in their servers (yeah.. yeah.. the data confidentiality agreement - i don't think so).
Nevertheless, I think it might be suitable for some people in some cases.
Computers would require less hardware, which is a pro.
In summary, I like the idea of speed up the OS, but I think some stuff is private property and must remain as such (at least for my stuff).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183634</id>
	<title>My laptop is almost six years old</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258811880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who says you have to choose one or the other?  It seems to me (And this is just speculation.  But the lack of a hard drive and such on netbooks with Chrome OS makes me hopeful) that this will be relatively low-cost.  I've got an old, slow computer.  I can keep it and use it for all my offline needs and pick up Chrome OS to surf the web faster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who says you have to choose one or the other ?
It seems to me ( And this is just speculation .
But the lack of a hard drive and such on netbooks with Chrome OS makes me hopeful ) that this will be relatively low-cost .
I 've got an old , slow computer .
I can keep it and use it for all my offline needs and pick up Chrome OS to surf the web faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who says you have to choose one or the other?
It seems to me (And this is just speculation.
But the lack of a hard drive and such on netbooks with Chrome OS makes me hopeful) that this will be relatively low-cost.
I've got an old, slow computer.
I can keep it and use it for all my offline needs and pick up Chrome OS to surf the web faster.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183414</id>
	<title>How big?</title>
	<author>Computershack</author>
	<datestamp>1258807560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>300MB for what is in effect a web browser with a few drivers and a bootloader? Jesus H Christ. Windows XP ISO image isn't that much bigger and its a fully fledged operating system with a shedload of drivers AND a web browser and not just a thin client terminal OS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>300MB for what is in effect a web browser with a few drivers and a bootloader ?
Jesus H Christ .
Windows XP ISO image is n't that much bigger and its a fully fledged operating system with a shedload of drivers AND a web browser and not just a thin client terminal OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>300MB for what is in effect a web browser with a few drivers and a bootloader?
Jesus H Christ.
Windows XP ISO image isn't that much bigger and its a fully fledged operating system with a shedload of drivers AND a web browser and not just a thin client terminal OS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30196832</id>
	<title>Re:The real deal about Chrome OS</title>
	<author>Kelzar</author>
	<datestamp>1258888380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The most important thing for me, as far as my info on their servers go, is it would no longer be my private (private as in privacy, not private as in possession - that too is a problem, but not my main one) property.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The most important thing for me , as far as my info on their servers go , is it would no longer be my private ( private as in privacy , not private as in possession - that too is a problem , but not my main one ) property .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The most important thing for me, as far as my info on their servers go, is it would no longer be my private (private as in privacy, not private as in possession - that too is a problem, but not my main one) property.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181912</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30184188</id>
	<title>Re:Fast download</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258818540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you insensitive cloud!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you insensitive cloud !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you insensitive cloud!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181862</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182356</id>
	<title>Re:Shameless Plug</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258744380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You can also "steal" my login information: username: ninny</i></p><p><i>password: password</i></p><p><i>It will work until some wanker changes the password.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</i> </p><p>Correction:  It will work until some ninny changes the password.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can also " steal " my login information : username : ninnypassword : passwordIt will work until some wanker changes the password .
. Correction : It will work until some ninny changes the password .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can also "steal" my login information: username: ninnypassword: passwordIt will work until some wanker changes the password.
. Correction:  It will work until some ninny changes the password.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181696</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181446</id>
	<title>Not real Alpha</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258733460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got really excited until I realised that this wasn't for the DEC Alpha processor.  Shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got really excited until I realised that this was n't for the DEC Alpha processor .
Shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got really excited until I realised that this wasn't for the DEC Alpha processor.
Shit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30193270</id>
	<title>Re:Define killer app</title>
	<author>Macka</author>
	<datestamp>1258904760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with you.  This is going to be the perfect solution for a lot of people.  Hell, I fired up my desktop about 4 hours ago and I've not even left the browser yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with you .
This is going to be the perfect solution for a lot of people .
Hell , I fired up my desktop about 4 hours ago and I 've not even left the browser yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with you.
This is going to be the perfect solution for a lot of people.
Hell, I fired up my desktop about 4 hours ago and I've not even left the browser yet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182062</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181628</id>
	<title>No thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258735380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google's go is interesting and a truely a head-fucking excercise in adapting to new syntax... Everything else they've done since search has been a waste of time.</p><p>Chrome/Chromium is like the perfect Gnome desktop browser and ChromeOS is like... just fucking kill me now!  If they'd written it in vala, it'd be worth a dive into the code.  ChromeOS isn't even worth that -- what a complete and total waste of time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google 's go is interesting and a truely a head-fucking excercise in adapting to new syntax... Everything else they 've done since search has been a waste of time.Chrome/Chromium is like the perfect Gnome desktop browser and ChromeOS is like... just fucking kill me now !
If they 'd written it in vala , it 'd be worth a dive into the code .
ChromeOS is n't even worth that -- what a complete and total waste of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google's go is interesting and a truely a head-fucking excercise in adapting to new syntax... Everything else they've done since search has been a waste of time.Chrome/Chromium is like the perfect Gnome desktop browser and ChromeOS is like... just fucking kill me now!
If they'd written it in vala, it'd be worth a dive into the code.
ChromeOS isn't even worth that -- what a complete and total waste of time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30185088</id>
	<title>My Concerns</title>
	<author>cptnapalm</author>
	<datestamp>1258824420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PC gaming has become an afterthought for most game companies.  Consoles are locked down computers purposed to play games.  The older PS3 could have another operating system installed, though with certain hardware unable to be accessed.  The newer ones don't allow any other OS at all.  Purchased software can be installed, but you can't do anything on your own unless green lit by the console maker.</p><p>Apple ensures that its operating system cannot run on anything that Apple does not sell.  The relatively rare hackintosh does not do anything to change this on any large scale.  You want to run some Apple software, you must buy Apple.</p><p>In Chrome OS, your applications run "on the cloud".  Not locally.  Not where you have the control.</p><p>The trend lines are away from computers being a remarkably versatile, general purpose tool and toward a locked down appliance.</p><p>I don't like this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PC gaming has become an afterthought for most game companies .
Consoles are locked down computers purposed to play games .
The older PS3 could have another operating system installed , though with certain hardware unable to be accessed .
The newer ones do n't allow any other OS at all .
Purchased software can be installed , but you ca n't do anything on your own unless green lit by the console maker.Apple ensures that its operating system can not run on anything that Apple does not sell .
The relatively rare hackintosh does not do anything to change this on any large scale .
You want to run some Apple software , you must buy Apple.In Chrome OS , your applications run " on the cloud " .
Not locally .
Not where you have the control.The trend lines are away from computers being a remarkably versatile , general purpose tool and toward a locked down appliance.I do n't like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PC gaming has become an afterthought for most game companies.
Consoles are locked down computers purposed to play games.
The older PS3 could have another operating system installed, though with certain hardware unable to be accessed.
The newer ones don't allow any other OS at all.
Purchased software can be installed, but you can't do anything on your own unless green lit by the console maker.Apple ensures that its operating system cannot run on anything that Apple does not sell.
The relatively rare hackintosh does not do anything to change this on any large scale.
You want to run some Apple software, you must buy Apple.In Chrome OS, your applications run "on the cloud".
Not locally.
Not where you have the control.The trend lines are away from computers being a remarkably versatile, general purpose tool and toward a locked down appliance.I don't like this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181750</id>
	<title>Quiet on the post front...</title>
	<author>HoldmyCauls</author>
	<datestamp>1258736520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only one with a CPU lacking virtualization?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one with a CPU lacking virtualization ?
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one with a CPU lacking virtualization?
:(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182444</id>
	<title>Bob</title>
	<author>daver\_au</author>
	<datestamp>1258746000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I predict ChromeOS will be as successful as Microsoft Bob.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I predict ChromeOS will be as successful as Microsoft Bob .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I predict ChromeOS will be as successful as Microsoft Bob.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183698</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258813140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That only happens on cheap routers. If you had a decent one and you wouldn't have those problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That only happens on cheap routers .
If you had a decent one and you would n't have those problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That only happens on cheap routers.
If you had a decent one and you wouldn't have those problems.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181646</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30185774</id>
	<title>Why this could be significant to me</title>
	<author>ashitaka</author>
	<datestamp>1258828140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Four months ago I started at a quasi-governmental organization that looks after the needs of the widows and orphans of my province.  The current state of the system reflects the mentality of the late 80's-early 90's.  Everything in a word processing document or spreadsheet. Ad-hoc, unstructured storage of said documents on mapped network drives ("It's on the G: drive?  I thought it was supposed to be on the U: drive!").  Telnet-based trust accounting system. Badly-utilized email system being used for any and all communication within the organization including sending the aforementioned documents as email attachments. They've had SharePoint for 6 years but never used it for more than a standard HTML intranet.</p><p>If the lessons of the past 15 years are to be learned from, every operation within this organization can be done with centralized or distributed servers and a browser interface.  With the possible exception of the relatively few documents in the legal department, the information generated, managed and communicated within our organization can be done without using heavy client-server applications.</p><p>Now, if someone was able to come up with a browser OS allowed us to roll out light, inexpensive end-user workstations that can be easily managed due to the lack of requirements for things such as Word, Excel, Outlook, anti-virus, Telnet app, Telnet 3270 app, DMS interface for Word and Outlook etc., our support and capital costs would drop immensely.</p><p>Chrome OS is probably not that solution now, but being open source and our requirements not being anywhere near unique, it shouldn't be  too long before the requisite changes are made.</p><p>Some may say that what I describe are just the old mainframe dumb-terminals or X-terminals.  I would reply that those were the right paradigm with the wrong technology.  A browser OS provides the richer interface the dumb terminals lacked and the local processing ability the X-Terminals couldn't provide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Four months ago I started at a quasi-governmental organization that looks after the needs of the widows and orphans of my province .
The current state of the system reflects the mentality of the late 80 's-early 90 's .
Everything in a word processing document or spreadsheet .
Ad-hoc , unstructured storage of said documents on mapped network drives ( " It 's on the G : drive ?
I thought it was supposed to be on the U : drive ! " ) .
Telnet-based trust accounting system .
Badly-utilized email system being used for any and all communication within the organization including sending the aforementioned documents as email attachments .
They 've had SharePoint for 6 years but never used it for more than a standard HTML intranet.If the lessons of the past 15 years are to be learned from , every operation within this organization can be done with centralized or distributed servers and a browser interface .
With the possible exception of the relatively few documents in the legal department , the information generated , managed and communicated within our organization can be done without using heavy client-server applications.Now , if someone was able to come up with a browser OS allowed us to roll out light , inexpensive end-user workstations that can be easily managed due to the lack of requirements for things such as Word , Excel , Outlook , anti-virus , Telnet app , Telnet 3270 app , DMS interface for Word and Outlook etc. , our support and capital costs would drop immensely.Chrome OS is probably not that solution now , but being open source and our requirements not being anywhere near unique , it should n't be too long before the requisite changes are made.Some may say that what I describe are just the old mainframe dumb-terminals or X-terminals .
I would reply that those were the right paradigm with the wrong technology .
A browser OS provides the richer interface the dumb terminals lacked and the local processing ability the X-Terminals could n't provide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Four months ago I started at a quasi-governmental organization that looks after the needs of the widows and orphans of my province.
The current state of the system reflects the mentality of the late 80's-early 90's.
Everything in a word processing document or spreadsheet.
Ad-hoc, unstructured storage of said documents on mapped network drives ("It's on the G: drive?
I thought it was supposed to be on the U: drive!").
Telnet-based trust accounting system.
Badly-utilized email system being used for any and all communication within the organization including sending the aforementioned documents as email attachments.
They've had SharePoint for 6 years but never used it for more than a standard HTML intranet.If the lessons of the past 15 years are to be learned from, every operation within this organization can be done with centralized or distributed servers and a browser interface.
With the possible exception of the relatively few documents in the legal department, the information generated, managed and communicated within our organization can be done without using heavy client-server applications.Now, if someone was able to come up with a browser OS allowed us to roll out light, inexpensive end-user workstations that can be easily managed due to the lack of requirements for things such as Word, Excel, Outlook, anti-virus, Telnet app, Telnet 3270 app, DMS interface for Word and Outlook etc., our support and capital costs would drop immensely.Chrome OS is probably not that solution now, but being open source and our requirements not being anywhere near unique, it shouldn't be  too long before the requisite changes are made.Some may say that what I describe are just the old mainframe dumb-terminals or X-terminals.
I would reply that those were the right paradigm with the wrong technology.
A browser OS provides the richer interface the dumb terminals lacked and the local processing ability the X-Terminals couldn't provide.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181772</id>
	<title>ChromeOS is a Good Thing!</title>
	<author>a.ameri</author>
	<datestamp>1258736760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ChromeOS is a very good move for everyone involved. Remember, this OS and the devices it will run on are not targeting average slashdotters. I can personally vouch that I come across daily contact with people, business people not just teenagers, who don't use anything other than their browser. The worst aspect of a computer for them, is upgrading, updating all applications, viruses, malware, and general maintenance of the system. They nearly all fail in these, and after a year, they think their laptop is not usable anymore and go and buy a new one. They would LOVE this OS, and are they primary targets of it. Also, synchronisation between multiple computers is a bitch, that even they most fail at. And they hate leaving their documents here and there. Files and directories don't work for them, it's a broken metaphor for most people, and as much as love to organise my files in hierarchical directories, they simply don't care. They just want access to their information, when they need, as conveniently as possible.</p><p>I hate Web apps as much as the next guy on this forum, and even use my trusty IMAP client for fetching my emails from Gmail. But I can't deny that web apps are the future, specially when HTML 5 comes off age and becomes widespread. If you look back at what the Web looked like 5 years ago and compare it to now, you'll see that it will be irresistible in 5 years time. Have a look at <a href="http://www.chromeexperiments.com/" title="chromeexperiments.com">http://www.chromeexperiments.com/</a> [chromeexperiments.com] to get a taste of what we are looking at.</p><p>On a more general note, anyone who is comparing this to old failed projects based on thin clients, X terminals or net pcs, is missing the point. Yes, the technology behind this might be similar to those, but times are changing. On the one hand, people are getting used to ever-present always-available services. On the other hand, 3G is now widespread, affordable, and provides great utility for many. Laptops and phones are converging. 2007 was the year of netbooks, 2010 might be the year of smartbooks (running ARM processors). Smartphones are morphing into Internet tablets (e.g,, N900). These are very different, and interesting times.</p><p>Yes, this is cloud computing, and yes, it raises huge privacy issues. It is up to us the tech savvy crown to raise these issues and address them.</p><p>Slashdotters can always run their trusty Debian or Fedora or FreeBSD or on their computer. And they remain great choices. But Google is pushing applications to go online and cross browser. They are pushing for open source drivers. They are pushing for open standards and cooperation with upstream and downstream projects. This is a Good Thing (TM) for all of us, even if we are not the target consumers of this OS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ChromeOS is a very good move for everyone involved .
Remember , this OS and the devices it will run on are not targeting average slashdotters .
I can personally vouch that I come across daily contact with people , business people not just teenagers , who do n't use anything other than their browser .
The worst aspect of a computer for them , is upgrading , updating all applications , viruses , malware , and general maintenance of the system .
They nearly all fail in these , and after a year , they think their laptop is not usable anymore and go and buy a new one .
They would LOVE this OS , and are they primary targets of it .
Also , synchronisation between multiple computers is a bitch , that even they most fail at .
And they hate leaving their documents here and there .
Files and directories do n't work for them , it 's a broken metaphor for most people , and as much as love to organise my files in hierarchical directories , they simply do n't care .
They just want access to their information , when they need , as conveniently as possible.I hate Web apps as much as the next guy on this forum , and even use my trusty IMAP client for fetching my emails from Gmail .
But I ca n't deny that web apps are the future , specially when HTML 5 comes off age and becomes widespread .
If you look back at what the Web looked like 5 years ago and compare it to now , you 'll see that it will be irresistible in 5 years time .
Have a look at http : //www.chromeexperiments.com/ [ chromeexperiments.com ] to get a taste of what we are looking at.On a more general note , anyone who is comparing this to old failed projects based on thin clients , X terminals or net pcs , is missing the point .
Yes , the technology behind this might be similar to those , but times are changing .
On the one hand , people are getting used to ever-present always-available services .
On the other hand , 3G is now widespread , affordable , and provides great utility for many .
Laptops and phones are converging .
2007 was the year of netbooks , 2010 might be the year of smartbooks ( running ARM processors ) .
Smartphones are morphing into Internet tablets ( e.g, , N900 ) .
These are very different , and interesting times.Yes , this is cloud computing , and yes , it raises huge privacy issues .
It is up to us the tech savvy crown to raise these issues and address them.Slashdotters can always run their trusty Debian or Fedora or FreeBSD or on their computer .
And they remain great choices .
But Google is pushing applications to go online and cross browser .
They are pushing for open source drivers .
They are pushing for open standards and cooperation with upstream and downstream projects .
This is a Good Thing ( TM ) for all of us , even if we are not the target consumers of this OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ChromeOS is a very good move for everyone involved.
Remember, this OS and the devices it will run on are not targeting average slashdotters.
I can personally vouch that I come across daily contact with people, business people not just teenagers, who don't use anything other than their browser.
The worst aspect of a computer for them, is upgrading, updating all applications, viruses, malware, and general maintenance of the system.
They nearly all fail in these, and after a year, they think their laptop is not usable anymore and go and buy a new one.
They would LOVE this OS, and are they primary targets of it.
Also, synchronisation between multiple computers is a bitch, that even they most fail at.
And they hate leaving their documents here and there.
Files and directories don't work for them, it's a broken metaphor for most people, and as much as love to organise my files in hierarchical directories, they simply don't care.
They just want access to their information, when they need, as conveniently as possible.I hate Web apps as much as the next guy on this forum, and even use my trusty IMAP client for fetching my emails from Gmail.
But I can't deny that web apps are the future, specially when HTML 5 comes off age and becomes widespread.
If you look back at what the Web looked like 5 years ago and compare it to now, you'll see that it will be irresistible in 5 years time.
Have a look at http://www.chromeexperiments.com/ [chromeexperiments.com] to get a taste of what we are looking at.On a more general note, anyone who is comparing this to old failed projects based on thin clients, X terminals or net pcs, is missing the point.
Yes, the technology behind this might be similar to those, but times are changing.
On the one hand, people are getting used to ever-present always-available services.
On the other hand, 3G is now widespread, affordable, and provides great utility for many.
Laptops and phones are converging.
2007 was the year of netbooks, 2010 might be the year of smartbooks (running ARM processors).
Smartphones are morphing into Internet tablets (e.g,, N900).
These are very different, and interesting times.Yes, this is cloud computing, and yes, it raises huge privacy issues.
It is up to us the tech savvy crown to raise these issues and address them.Slashdotters can always run their trusty Debian or Fedora or FreeBSD or on their computer.
And they remain great choices.
But Google is pushing applications to go online and cross browser.
They are pushing for open source drivers.
They are pushing for open standards and cooperation with upstream and downstream projects.
This is a Good Thing (TM) for all of us, even if we are not the target consumers of this OS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183992</id>
	<title>Re:Shameless Plug</title>
	<author>Jamamala</author>
	<datestamp>1258816980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another shameless plug: I've got a thread going on <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1331975" title="ubuntuforums.org">here</a> [ubuntuforums.org] about what I've found - how to get a terminal, what packages are installed, keyboard shortcuts etc. Just a little bit more detail than what techcrunch and gdgt have been saying.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another shameless plug : I 've got a thread going on here [ ubuntuforums.org ] about what I 've found - how to get a terminal , what packages are installed , keyboard shortcuts etc .
Just a little bit more detail than what techcrunch and gdgt have been saying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another shameless plug: I've got a thread going on here [ubuntuforums.org] about what I've found - how to get a terminal, what packages are installed, keyboard shortcuts etc.
Just a little bit more detail than what techcrunch and gdgt have been saying.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181566</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181618</id>
	<title>Not interested</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258735320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google wants everybody online all the time - I want an OS that works when I'm OFFLINE - I'm guessing this isn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google wants everybody online all the time - I want an OS that works when I 'm OFFLINE - I 'm guessing this is n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google wants everybody online all the time - I want an OS that works when I'm OFFLINE - I'm guessing this isn't.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181862</id>
	<title>Fast download</title>
	<author>R.Mo\_Robert</author>
	<datestamp>1258737720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Chrome OS image is only a bit over 300 megs, so it's a fast download.</p></div><p>I'm on dial-up, you insensitive clod!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Chrome OS image is only a bit over 300 megs , so it 's a fast download.I 'm on dial-up , you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Chrome OS image is only a bit over 300 megs, so it's a fast download.I'm on dial-up, you insensitive clod!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30184000</id>
	<title>Re:ChromeOS is a Good Thing!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258816980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>ChromeOS is a very good move for everyone involved. Remember, this OS and the devices it will run on are not targeting average slashdotters. I can personally vouch that I come across daily contact with people, business people not just teenagers, who don't use anything other than their browser.</p></div><p>I think you've hit the nail on the hat. Chrome OS is just the right OS for business people that only use their browser. For anyone else it's just cloud shit.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>ChromeOS is a very good move for everyone involved .
Remember , this OS and the devices it will run on are not targeting average slashdotters .
I can personally vouch that I come across daily contact with people , business people not just teenagers , who do n't use anything other than their browser.I think you 've hit the nail on the hat .
Chrome OS is just the right OS for business people that only use their browser .
For anyone else it 's just cloud shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ChromeOS is a very good move for everyone involved.
Remember, this OS and the devices it will run on are not targeting average slashdotters.
I can personally vouch that I come across daily contact with people, business people not just teenagers, who don't use anything other than their browser.I think you've hit the nail on the hat.
Chrome OS is just the right OS for business people that only use their browser.
For anyone else it's just cloud shit.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181772</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183656</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to see here...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258812300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Under VirtualBox, to shutdown cleanly you need to use the "ACPI Shutdown" option.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Under VirtualBox , to shutdown cleanly you need to use the " ACPI Shutdown " option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Under VirtualBox, to shutdown cleanly you need to use the "ACPI Shutdown" option.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181430</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30184982</id>
	<title>Running the Chrome OS with GNU/Linux kvm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258823820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here is how I run the Chrome OS on my GNU/Linux Slamd64 distro, using kvm.<br>1) Download the vmware's image<br>2) Run this.<br>$ kvm -m 512 -snapshot chrome-os.qcow2 -vga std chrome-os-0.4.22.8-gdgt.vmdk</p><p>You can logon using username: chronos and password: chronos<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Ctrl-Alt-t for terminal/shell.</p><p>IMO, the Chrome OS is just a fullscreen Chrome brower which run on Ubunto 9.10 32bit. But the best part is, it boots very fast, less then 7 seconds on my systems.</p><p>p/s: MY firefox browser also runs fullscreen on my desktop, so, I don't miss much the Chrome OS. I think I just wait for stable Chromium browser code to be officaiily relaased.</p><p>Thank you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is how I run the Chrome OS on my GNU/Linux Slamd64 distro , using kvm.1 ) Download the vmware 's image2 ) Run this. $ kvm -m 512 -snapshot chrome-os.qcow2 -vga std chrome-os-0.4.22.8-gdgt.vmdkYou can logon using username : chronos and password : chronos .Ctrl-Alt-t for terminal/shell.IMO , the Chrome OS is just a fullscreen Chrome brower which run on Ubunto 9.10 32bit .
But the best part is , it boots very fast , less then 7 seconds on my systems.p/s : MY firefox browser also runs fullscreen on my desktop , so , I do n't miss much the Chrome OS .
I think I just wait for stable Chromium browser code to be officaiily relaased.Thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is how I run the Chrome OS on my GNU/Linux Slamd64 distro, using kvm.1) Download the vmware's image2) Run this.$ kvm -m 512 -snapshot chrome-os.qcow2 -vga std chrome-os-0.4.22.8-gdgt.vmdkYou can logon using username: chronos and password: chronos .Ctrl-Alt-t for terminal/shell.IMO, the Chrome OS is just a fullscreen Chrome brower which run on Ubunto 9.10 32bit.
But the best part is, it boots very fast, less then 7 seconds on my systems.p/s: MY firefox browser also runs fullscreen on my desktop, so, I don't miss much the Chrome OS.
I think I just wait for stable Chromium browser code to be officaiily relaased.Thank you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181566</id>
	<title>Shameless Plug</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258734780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Torrent and Info:
<a href="http://pastie.org/706872" title="pastie.org" rel="nofollow">http://pastie.org/706872</a> [pastie.org]
<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/457451/ide.vmdk.torrent" title="dropbox.com" rel="nofollow">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/457451/ide.vmdk.torrent</a> [dropbox.com]
Because making an account on some shady website that's exploiting the situation seems wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Torrent and Info : http : //pastie.org/706872 [ pastie.org ] http : //dl.dropbox.com/u/457451/ide.vmdk.torrent [ dropbox.com ] Because making an account on some shady website that 's exploiting the situation seems wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Torrent and Info:
http://pastie.org/706872 [pastie.org]
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/457451/ide.vmdk.torrent [dropbox.com]
Because making an account on some shady website that's exploiting the situation seems wrong.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181542</id>
	<title>Re:Counterpoint</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258734420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whoever modded this "interesting" must have misclicked while aiming for funny</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoever modded this " interesting " must have misclicked while aiming for funny</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoever modded this "interesting" must have misclicked while aiming for funny</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30184850</id>
	<title>From 56 dollars?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1258822980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is with the 'from 56 dollars' on that gdgt page?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is with the 'from 56 dollars ' on that gdgt page ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is with the 'from 56 dollars' on that gdgt page?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30188146</id>
	<title>For all you nay-sayers</title>
	<author>Zepalesque</author>
	<datestamp>1258800240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can you not see a team using Bespin on this platform? <a href="https://bespin.mozilla.com/" title="mozilla.com">https://bespin.mozilla.com/</a> [mozilla.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you not see a team using Bespin on this platform ?
https : //bespin.mozilla.com/ [ mozilla.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you not see a team using Bespin on this platform?
https://bespin.mozilla.com/ [mozilla.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183026</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing to see here...</title>
	<author>GeniusDex</author>
	<datestamp>1258800480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't actually say they have a window manager. Chrome itself somehow is a window manager for it's own windows, even when not run in their OS. As you can see when you open the options dialog, there is not really a window manager in place. It just puts the new window fullscreen over the other one. This is nothing more than X itself can do without a window manager.</p><p>Oh, and they should loose the Gtk. It's ugly and slow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't actually say they have a window manager .
Chrome itself somehow is a window manager for it 's own windows , even when not run in their OS .
As you can see when you open the options dialog , there is not really a window manager in place .
It just puts the new window fullscreen over the other one .
This is nothing more than X itself can do without a window manager.Oh , and they should loose the Gtk .
It 's ugly and slow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't actually say they have a window manager.
Chrome itself somehow is a window manager for it's own windows, even when not run in their OS.
As you can see when you open the options dialog, there is not really a window manager in place.
It just puts the new window fullscreen over the other one.
This is nothing more than X itself can do without a window manager.Oh, and they should loose the Gtk.
It's ugly and slow.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181430</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30184816</id>
	<title>Re:Counterpoint</title>
	<author>machine321</author>
	<datestamp>1258822740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Here's a hint: if you're trying to run Photoshop on a 10" screen, you're doing it wrong.</p></div><p>Why?  The first versions of Photoshop only ran on machines with a monochrome 9" screen.  Now get off my lawn.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a hint : if you 're trying to run Photoshop on a 10 " screen , you 're doing it wrong.Why ?
The first versions of Photoshop only ran on machines with a monochrome 9 " screen .
Now get off my lawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a hint: if you're trying to run Photoshop on a 10" screen, you're doing it wrong.Why?
The first versions of Photoshop only ran on machines with a monochrome 9" screen.
Now get off my lawn.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182002</id>
	<title>i just got off the toilet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258739280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i shit out an obama.<br> <br>plop!</htmltext>
<tokenext>i shit out an obama .
plop !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i shit out an obama.
plop!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183594</id>
	<title>Re:The real deal about Chrome OS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258811100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>data is stored on GOOGLE servers, which means if Google powers down their servers you cannot access your data.</p></div><p>On the other hand, if your laptop is stolen or the hard drive gets corrupted, you cannot access your data either (but whoever stole it might).
</p><p>Of course, as<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.ers, we all have robust backup strategies (including an offsite backup in case our house burns down) and keep our laptop hard drives strongly encrypted... (it says here)  but the most important thing to realise about Chrome OS is that it is Probably Not For Us.

</p><p>Lets face it, Google will probably do a better job of keeping data safe than Mr Average User or a company data center outsourced to the lowest bidder. I'm sure that there will be "incidents" but Google have a strong incentive to prove themselves dependable.

</p><p>Also remember, that you can always log into Google on a Real PC and download your files in any number of standard formats.

</p><p>Now, the VM version of Chrome OS is currently about as useful as a chocolate teapot because there's currently no way of getting your data out - I was apparently able to download a doc as ODF but its not clear where it has been stored, if at all. Whether an official ChromeOS machine will let me download to a USB stick remains to be seen. However, that might be an "optional" feature: I can see that some corporates might welcome the idea that individual proles can't copy files to usb sticks...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>data is stored on GOOGLE servers , which means if Google powers down their servers you can not access your data.On the other hand , if your laptop is stolen or the hard drive gets corrupted , you can not access your data either ( but whoever stole it might ) .
Of course , as /.ers , we all have robust backup strategies ( including an offsite backup in case our house burns down ) and keep our laptop hard drives strongly encrypted... ( it says here ) but the most important thing to realise about Chrome OS is that it is Probably Not For Us .
Lets face it , Google will probably do a better job of keeping data safe than Mr Average User or a company data center outsourced to the lowest bidder .
I 'm sure that there will be " incidents " but Google have a strong incentive to prove themselves dependable .
Also remember , that you can always log into Google on a Real PC and download your files in any number of standard formats .
Now , the VM version of Chrome OS is currently about as useful as a chocolate teapot because there 's currently no way of getting your data out - I was apparently able to download a doc as ODF but its not clear where it has been stored , if at all .
Whether an official ChromeOS machine will let me download to a USB stick remains to be seen .
However , that might be an " optional " feature : I can see that some corporates might welcome the idea that individual proles ca n't copy files to usb sticks.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>data is stored on GOOGLE servers, which means if Google powers down their servers you cannot access your data.On the other hand, if your laptop is stolen or the hard drive gets corrupted, you cannot access your data either (but whoever stole it might).
Of course, as /.ers, we all have robust backup strategies (including an offsite backup in case our house burns down) and keep our laptop hard drives strongly encrypted... (it says here)  but the most important thing to realise about Chrome OS is that it is Probably Not For Us.
Lets face it, Google will probably do a better job of keeping data safe than Mr Average User or a company data center outsourced to the lowest bidder.
I'm sure that there will be "incidents" but Google have a strong incentive to prove themselves dependable.
Also remember, that you can always log into Google on a Real PC and download your files in any number of standard formats.
Now, the VM version of Chrome OS is currently about as useful as a chocolate teapot because there's currently no way of getting your data out - I was apparently able to download a doc as ODF but its not clear where it has been stored, if at all.
Whether an official ChromeOS machine will let me download to a USB stick remains to be seen.
However, that might be an "optional" feature: I can see that some corporates might welcome the idea that individual proles can't copy files to usb sticks...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181912</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30185400</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1258826040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Alright - assuming that you don't know how to configure bit torrent, then you'll almost certainly NOT want to download this prototype of an alpha operating system.  ChromeOS may be ready to rock for the average user in a year or so, but right now, it's not even made it to a public alpha stage.  Almost nothing works.  It's something to play with - e-peen for geeks.</p><p>Now get off my lawn.  Go play with your - uhhh - windows or something.</p><p>Oh wait - I have an idea for you.  If your torrent client clogs your intartubez, you should install Wondershaper.  Have fun - but I still want you off my lawn!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alright - assuming that you do n't know how to configure bit torrent , then you 'll almost certainly NOT want to download this prototype of an alpha operating system .
ChromeOS may be ready to rock for the average user in a year or so , but right now , it 's not even made it to a public alpha stage .
Almost nothing works .
It 's something to play with - e-peen for geeks.Now get off my lawn .
Go play with your - uhhh - windows or something.Oh wait - I have an idea for you .
If your torrent client clogs your intartubez , you should install Wondershaper .
Have fun - but I still want you off my lawn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alright - assuming that you don't know how to configure bit torrent, then you'll almost certainly NOT want to download this prototype of an alpha operating system.
ChromeOS may be ready to rock for the average user in a year or so, but right now, it's not even made it to a public alpha stage.
Almost nothing works.
It's something to play with - e-peen for geeks.Now get off my lawn.
Go play with your - uhhh - windows or something.Oh wait - I have an idea for you.
If your torrent client clogs your intartubez, you should install Wondershaper.
Have fun - but I still want you off my lawn!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181646</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181444</id>
	<title>So....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258733400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Chrome OS kernel isn't a webapp?</p><p>I'm so disappointed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Chrome OS kernel is n't a webapp ? I 'm so disappointed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Chrome OS kernel isn't a webapp?I'm so disappointed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183962</id>
	<title>Why not a full OS?</title>
	<author>Crookdotter</author>
	<datestamp>1258816620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If Ubuntu can be bankrolled for a reasonably small amount of cash (few millions to tens of millions), then surely Google can spare a hundred million to create their own, full linux based OS, without many of the problems of current systems, Ubuntu included.<br> <br>I can see how some Google engineers can come up with something pretty special, taking the best of Linux, Windows and Mac OS's (and others) to create something they can then push for on netbooks and desktops throughout the markets in the world.<br> <br>With a massive effort like this it might even spur on ports for things that previously didn't have a linux presence.<br> <br>I think only something as big as Google can create the 'year of the linux desktop'</htmltext>
<tokenext>If Ubuntu can be bankrolled for a reasonably small amount of cash ( few millions to tens of millions ) , then surely Google can spare a hundred million to create their own , full linux based OS , without many of the problems of current systems , Ubuntu included .
I can see how some Google engineers can come up with something pretty special , taking the best of Linux , Windows and Mac OS 's ( and others ) to create something they can then push for on netbooks and desktops throughout the markets in the world .
With a massive effort like this it might even spur on ports for things that previously did n't have a linux presence .
I think only something as big as Google can create the 'year of the linux desktop'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Ubuntu can be bankrolled for a reasonably small amount of cash (few millions to tens of millions), then surely Google can spare a hundred million to create their own, full linux based OS, without many of the problems of current systems, Ubuntu included.
I can see how some Google engineers can come up with something pretty special, taking the best of Linux, Windows and Mac OS's (and others) to create something they can then push for on netbooks and desktops throughout the markets in the world.
With a massive effort like this it might even spur on ports for things that previously didn't have a linux presence.
I think only something as big as Google can create the 'year of the linux desktop'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183084</id>
	<title>Re:Shameless Plug</title>
	<author>rdebath</author>
	<datestamp>1258801740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Damn that's fast. Over a megabyte per second. I don't think I've seen any website manage that sort of speed to me.
</p><p>
It just shows you what Bittorrent is capable of, and the RIAA think they can top this on the cheap!
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn that 's fast .
Over a megabyte per second .
I do n't think I 've seen any website manage that sort of speed to me .
It just shows you what Bittorrent is capable of , and the RIAA think they can top this on the cheap !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Damn that's fast.
Over a megabyte per second.
I don't think I've seen any website manage that sort of speed to me.
It just shows you what Bittorrent is capable of, and the RIAA think they can top this on the cheap!
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183210</id>
	<title>Not impressed at all</title>
	<author>moz25</author>
	<datestamp>1258803780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, call me old-fashioned for not understanding new trends, but I have to say that I'm deeply unimpressed by what I've seen so far.</p><p>Basically, it's just a browser that you can't minimize or resize. What the hell?</p><p>No need to run this in a virtual box. I already have a browser, thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , call me old-fashioned for not understanding new trends , but I have to say that I 'm deeply unimpressed by what I 've seen so far.Basically , it 's just a browser that you ca n't minimize or resize .
What the hell ? No need to run this in a virtual box .
I already have a browser , thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, call me old-fashioned for not understanding new trends, but I have to say that I'm deeply unimpressed by what I've seen so far.Basically, it's just a browser that you can't minimize or resize.
What the hell?No need to run this in a virtual box.
I already have a browser, thanks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183802</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>Phase Shifter</author>
	<datestamp>1258814580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As an example, I thought it was utterly retarded that the recent Ubuntu 9.10 release didn't have the download torrents front and center.  Why the hell not?  Obviously they didn't have the bandwidth to handle all the direct downloads, as I started one just to see how slowly it would go.  It crawled along at less than 1 KB/s for hours.</p></div><p>I had no problems with Ubuntu at all.<br>Sure, the US servers were crawling along the first few days, but that's why there are so many mirrors.  I just looked slightly further down the list, and downloaded from a server in Uzbekistan instead.<br> <br>We're talking about downloading CD images, not playing an FPS online--therefore you should be trying to pick a server with few active connections, not dogpile the same server as everyone else because of its low ping.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an example , I thought it was utterly retarded that the recent Ubuntu 9.10 release did n't have the download torrents front and center .
Why the hell not ?
Obviously they did n't have the bandwidth to handle all the direct downloads , as I started one just to see how slowly it would go .
It crawled along at less than 1 KB/s for hours.I had no problems with Ubuntu at all.Sure , the US servers were crawling along the first few days , but that 's why there are so many mirrors .
I just looked slightly further down the list , and downloaded from a server in Uzbekistan instead .
We 're talking about downloading CD images , not playing an FPS online--therefore you should be trying to pick a server with few active connections , not dogpile the same server as everyone else because of its low ping .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an example, I thought it was utterly retarded that the recent Ubuntu 9.10 release didn't have the download torrents front and center.
Why the hell not?
Obviously they didn't have the bandwidth to handle all the direct downloads, as I started one just to see how slowly it would go.
It crawled along at less than 1 KB/s for hours.I had no problems with Ubuntu at all.Sure, the US servers were crawling along the first few days, but that's why there are so many mirrors.
I just looked slightly further down the list, and downloaded from a server in Uzbekistan instead.
We're talking about downloading CD images, not playing an FPS online--therefore you should be trying to pick a server with few active connections, not dogpile the same server as everyone else because of its low ping.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181594</id>
	<title>Re:Counterpoint</title>
	<author>lhoguin</author>
	<datestamp>1258735020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A netbook with Chrome OS is the perfect solution for companies with employees that need to access their company's intra/extranet while working in the field. Most of the security is already done, all IT has to do is restrict them to a set of the company's URLs and they're good to go.</p><p>I don't see it as anything other than a novelty toy for other consumers, though. But then I don't see the point of netbooks, and people buy them, so I'm probably wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A netbook with Chrome OS is the perfect solution for companies with employees that need to access their company 's intra/extranet while working in the field .
Most of the security is already done , all IT has to do is restrict them to a set of the company 's URLs and they 're good to go.I do n't see it as anything other than a novelty toy for other consumers , though .
But then I do n't see the point of netbooks , and people buy them , so I 'm probably wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A netbook with Chrome OS is the perfect solution for companies with employees that need to access their company's intra/extranet while working in the field.
Most of the security is already done, all IT has to do is restrict them to a set of the company's URLs and they're good to go.I don't see it as anything other than a novelty toy for other consumers, though.
But then I don't see the point of netbooks, and people buy them, so I'm probably wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182560</id>
	<title>How I learned to stop worrying and love the cloud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258834320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At some point we have to learn to stop hating and realise we already are web app users, especially the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.ers here. As much as I loathe web apps, I am a increasingly heavy user of them. Like many of us I've made the switch to gmail, partly because it integrates tightly with my android phone, and partly because it'll do 95\% of what outlook et al can do, the other 5\% of that being crash, crash my pc outright and corrupt my data.
<br> <br>
Chrome is going primarily benefit subset of users who were previously forced to buy a laptop or desktop for what they want to do, or worse, struggle to do it on their pokey smartphone screen. <br> <br>
I really don't see chrome OS and it's cloud being any signifcant threat to how computing is done right now, just adding a new flavour. I really do not think the handwringing over restricted capabilities is valid. If you want to use rich applications on high powered hardware you'd just get a desktop in the first place, if you want portable computing horsepower you get a lappy. If you don't need anything extraneous you'll go smaller.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At some point we have to learn to stop hating and realise we already are web app users , especially the /.ers here .
As much as I loathe web apps , I am a increasingly heavy user of them .
Like many of us I 've made the switch to gmail , partly because it integrates tightly with my android phone , and partly because it 'll do 95 \ % of what outlook et al can do , the other 5 \ % of that being crash , crash my pc outright and corrupt my data .
Chrome is going primarily benefit subset of users who were previously forced to buy a laptop or desktop for what they want to do , or worse , struggle to do it on their pokey smartphone screen .
I really do n't see chrome OS and it 's cloud being any signifcant threat to how computing is done right now , just adding a new flavour .
I really do not think the handwringing over restricted capabilities is valid .
If you want to use rich applications on high powered hardware you 'd just get a desktop in the first place , if you want portable computing horsepower you get a lappy .
If you do n't need anything extraneous you 'll go smaller .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At some point we have to learn to stop hating and realise we already are web app users, especially the /.ers here.
As much as I loathe web apps, I am a increasingly heavy user of them.
Like many of us I've made the switch to gmail, partly because it integrates tightly with my android phone, and partly because it'll do 95\% of what outlook et al can do, the other 5\% of that being crash, crash my pc outright and corrupt my data.
Chrome is going primarily benefit subset of users who were previously forced to buy a laptop or desktop for what they want to do, or worse, struggle to do it on their pokey smartphone screen.
I really don't see chrome OS and it's cloud being any signifcant threat to how computing is done right now, just adding a new flavour.
I really do not think the handwringing over restricted capabilities is valid.
If you want to use rich applications on high powered hardware you'd just get a desktop in the first place, if you want portable computing horsepower you get a lappy.
If you don't need anything extraneous you'll go smaller.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30183428</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>Melacon</author>
	<datestamp>1258807980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not bandwidth utilisation that slows everything down when torrenting - it's the high amount of active connections the connection tracker on your router has to keep track of. Before you know it CPU utilisation on your router jumps to 100\% and it's this that brings your network to a crawl. I have my linux box (Pentium 4 D underclocked to 1.8ghz) doing all the NAT and connection tracking and consequently can have torrents running 24/7.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not bandwidth utilisation that slows everything down when torrenting - it 's the high amount of active connections the connection tracker on your router has to keep track of .
Before you know it CPU utilisation on your router jumps to 100 \ % and it 's this that brings your network to a crawl .
I have my linux box ( Pentium 4 D underclocked to 1.8ghz ) doing all the NAT and connection tracking and consequently can have torrents running 24/7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not bandwidth utilisation that slows everything down when torrenting - it's the high amount of active connections the connection tracker on your router has to keep track of.
Before you know it CPU utilisation on your router jumps to 100\% and it's this that brings your network to a crawl.
I have my linux box (Pentium 4 D underclocked to 1.8ghz) doing all the NAT and connection tracking and consequently can have torrents running 24/7.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182574</id>
	<title>Chrome OS is good for . . .</title>
	<author>Stone316</author>
	<datestamp>1258834500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>netbook style devices for using the cloud and surfing the web.  Hardware has come a long way over the past few years.  Most home users use email and the web.  I work in IT, I ssh, remote desktop or export my display and run things on the server pretty much all day.  I could easily do most of my job from a netbook.  The only downside is the physical size being too small.  (I love my dual 20" monitors!)</p><p>If I look at how I use my personal computer at home, a netbook has enough power to handle about 90\% of what I do.  I stopped playing intensive games on my PC years ago and bought an xbox.  I got tired of having to constantly upgrade it..  Spending 300$ on a console is much more bang for the buck.   The only things I wouldn't want to do on a netbook is photo and video editing. My kids computer has a processor that was released in 2002 and it does everything they need it to do.  I have an old computer with a celeron processor running my website on linux.    Quite frankly, i'm running out of excuses to convince my wife I need a new computer every couple of years.</p><p>These devices won't replace your laptop or desktop in the foreseeable future but they are perfectly suited for those times where you don't want to carry them around.   You just want something cheap, lightweight, long battery life but powerful enough to surf the web, check your email, edit some documents, remote desktop back to the office, etc.</p><p>Having something like Chrome OS, that is optimized to interface with the cloud can't lose.  If it does lose, it will be to a competitor who was able implement it better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>netbook style devices for using the cloud and surfing the web .
Hardware has come a long way over the past few years .
Most home users use email and the web .
I work in IT , I ssh , remote desktop or export my display and run things on the server pretty much all day .
I could easily do most of my job from a netbook .
The only downside is the physical size being too small .
( I love my dual 20 " monitors !
) If I look at how I use my personal computer at home , a netbook has enough power to handle about 90 \ % of what I do .
I stopped playing intensive games on my PC years ago and bought an xbox .
I got tired of having to constantly upgrade it.. Spending 300 $ on a console is much more bang for the buck .
The only things I would n't want to do on a netbook is photo and video editing .
My kids computer has a processor that was released in 2002 and it does everything they need it to do .
I have an old computer with a celeron processor running my website on linux .
Quite frankly , i 'm running out of excuses to convince my wife I need a new computer every couple of years.These devices wo n't replace your laptop or desktop in the foreseeable future but they are perfectly suited for those times where you do n't want to carry them around .
You just want something cheap , lightweight , long battery life but powerful enough to surf the web , check your email , edit some documents , remote desktop back to the office , etc.Having something like Chrome OS , that is optimized to interface with the cloud ca n't lose .
If it does lose , it will be to a competitor who was able implement it better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>netbook style devices for using the cloud and surfing the web.
Hardware has come a long way over the past few years.
Most home users use email and the web.
I work in IT, I ssh, remote desktop or export my display and run things on the server pretty much all day.
I could easily do most of my job from a netbook.
The only downside is the physical size being too small.
(I love my dual 20" monitors!
)If I look at how I use my personal computer at home, a netbook has enough power to handle about 90\% of what I do.
I stopped playing intensive games on my PC years ago and bought an xbox.
I got tired of having to constantly upgrade it..  Spending 300$ on a console is much more bang for the buck.
The only things I wouldn't want to do on a netbook is photo and video editing.
My kids computer has a processor that was released in 2002 and it does everything they need it to do.
I have an old computer with a celeron processor running my website on linux.
Quite frankly, i'm running out of excuses to convince my wife I need a new computer every couple of years.These devices won't replace your laptop or desktop in the foreseeable future but they are perfectly suited for those times where you don't want to carry them around.
You just want something cheap, lightweight, long battery life but powerful enough to surf the web, check your email, edit some documents, remote desktop back to the office, etc.Having something like Chrome OS, that is optimized to interface with the cloud can't lose.
If it does lose, it will be to a competitor who was able implement it better.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30182974</id>
	<title>Re:Counterpoint</title>
	<author>Cochonou</author>
	<datestamp>1258799460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have they forgotten about <a href="https://www.photoshop.com/" title="photoshop.com">www.photoshop.com</a> [photoshop.com] ? <br>
Of course, it's a very light version of photoshop, but Adobe is also moving towards online version of its software.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have they forgotten about www.photoshop.com [ photoshop.com ] ?
Of course , it 's a very light version of photoshop , but Adobe is also moving towards online version of its software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have they forgotten about www.photoshop.com [photoshop.com] ?
Of course, it's a very light version of photoshop, but Adobe is also moving towards online version of its software.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181482</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>mister\_playboy</author>
	<datestamp>1258733820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Torrents ought to be choice #1 in distributing files of any decent size.  As an example, I thought it was utterly retarded that the recent Ubuntu 9.10 release didn't have the download torrents front and center.  Why the hell not?  Obviously they didn't have the bandwidth to handle all the direct downloads, as I started one just to see how slowly it would go.  It crawled along at less than 1 KB/s for hours.  They had the torrents advertised on the forums, at least, but they clearly made the launch harder on their servers than it should have been.</p><p>Torrents let you do more with less bandwidth.  Take advantage of that!  I understand some people may not be able to use them because of their ISP being a douchbag or whatever, and those people will need normal HTTP/FTP transactions and mirrors... but everyone else can use torrents and share your burden with you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Torrents ought to be choice # 1 in distributing files of any decent size .
As an example , I thought it was utterly retarded that the recent Ubuntu 9.10 release did n't have the download torrents front and center .
Why the hell not ?
Obviously they did n't have the bandwidth to handle all the direct downloads , as I started one just to see how slowly it would go .
It crawled along at less than 1 KB/s for hours .
They had the torrents advertised on the forums , at least , but they clearly made the launch harder on their servers than it should have been.Torrents let you do more with less bandwidth .
Take advantage of that !
I understand some people may not be able to use them because of their ISP being a douchbag or whatever , and those people will need normal HTTP/FTP transactions and mirrors... but everyone else can use torrents and share your burden with you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Torrents ought to be choice #1 in distributing files of any decent size.
As an example, I thought it was utterly retarded that the recent Ubuntu 9.10 release didn't have the download torrents front and center.
Why the hell not?
Obviously they didn't have the bandwidth to handle all the direct downloads, as I started one just to see how slowly it would go.
It crawled along at less than 1 KB/s for hours.
They had the torrents advertised on the forums, at least, but they clearly made the launch harder on their servers than it should have been.Torrents let you do more with less bandwidth.
Take advantage of that!
I understand some people may not be able to use them because of their ISP being a douchbag or whatever, and those people will need normal HTTP/FTP transactions and mirrors... but everyone else can use torrents and share your burden with you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_21_0022253.30181648</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258735500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Torrents let you do more with less bandwidth. Take advantage of that!</p></div><p>I think torrents do not work the way you think they work.  That's like saying it uses less gas to drive at 100mph than 50, because you get there so much sooner..</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Torrents let you do more with less bandwidth .
Take advantage of that ! I think torrents do not work the way you think they work .
That 's like saying it uses less gas to drive at 100mph than 50 , because you get there so much sooner. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Torrents let you do more with less bandwidth.
Take advantage of that!I think torrents do not work the way you think they work.
That's like saying it uses less gas to drive at 100mph than 50, because you get there so much sooner..
	</sentencetext>
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