<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_20_1558259</id>
	<title>Some Claim Android App Store Worse Than iPhone's</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1258705860000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>eldavojohn writes <i>"If you think the iPhone app store is the only mobile game store <a href="//slashdot.org/story/09/11/19/164229/Respected-Developers-Begin-Fleeing-the-App-Store">suffering an exodus</a>, <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE5AJ1EU20091120">some game publishers claim Android's app store isn't much better</a>, for a different reason &mdash; it doesn't generate much revenue. In fact, French game developer Gameloft (which owes 13\% of its profits to iPhone game sales), said, 'We have significantly cut our investment in Android platform, just like... many others. It is not as neatly done as on the iPhone. Google has not been very good to entice customers to actually buy products. On Android nobody is making significant revenue. We are selling 400 times more games on iPhone than on Android.' So the trade-off seems to be more sales but an annoying approval process, versus a lack of sales promotions and no annoyance around approval. It seems that those in it for money will opt for iPhone, and those in it for distribution will opt for Android. Or maybe someone will get it right one of these days?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " If you think the iPhone app store is the only mobile game store suffering an exodus , some game publishers claim Android 's app store is n't much better , for a different reason    it does n't generate much revenue .
In fact , French game developer Gameloft ( which owes 13 \ % of its profits to iPhone game sales ) , said , 'We have significantly cut our investment in Android platform , just like... many others .
It is not as neatly done as on the iPhone .
Google has not been very good to entice customers to actually buy products .
On Android nobody is making significant revenue .
We are selling 400 times more games on iPhone than on Android .
' So the trade-off seems to be more sales but an annoying approval process , versus a lack of sales promotions and no annoyance around approval .
It seems that those in it for money will opt for iPhone , and those in it for distribution will opt for Android .
Or maybe someone will get it right one of these days ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "If you think the iPhone app store is the only mobile game store suffering an exodus, some game publishers claim Android's app store isn't much better, for a different reason — it doesn't generate much revenue.
In fact, French game developer Gameloft (which owes 13\% of its profits to iPhone game sales), said, 'We have significantly cut our investment in Android platform, just like... many others.
It is not as neatly done as on the iPhone.
Google has not been very good to entice customers to actually buy products.
On Android nobody is making significant revenue.
We are selling 400 times more games on iPhone than on Android.
' So the trade-off seems to be more sales but an annoying approval process, versus a lack of sales promotions and no annoyance around approval.
It seems that those in it for money will opt for iPhone, and those in it for distribution will opt for Android.
Or maybe someone will get it right one of these days?
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177066</id>
	<title>Re:Market share</title>
	<author>E IS mC(Square)</author>
	<datestamp>1258710960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you saying that the article does not take that into account? That it ignored a bit of facts in order to push out it's own opinions??
<br> <br>OUTRAGEOUS!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you saying that the article does not take that into account ?
That it ignored a bit of facts in order to push out it 's own opinions ? ?
OUTRAGEOUS !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you saying that the article does not take that into account?
That it ignored a bit of facts in order to push out it's own opinions??
OUTRAGEOUS!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30176658</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180022</id>
	<title>Multiple MobileAppStore?</title>
	<author>dean.collins</author>
	<datestamp>1258722780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When is someone going to open up a multiplatform mobile appstore?

Ex.
<a href="http://iphone.mobileappstore.com/" title="mobileappstore.com" rel="nofollow">http://iphone.mobileappstore.com/</a> [mobileappstore.com]
and
<a href="http://windows.mobileappstore.com/" title="mobileappstore.com" rel="nofollow">http://windows.mobileappstore.com/</a> [mobileappstore.com]

If a particular manufacturer wanted something they could set up <a href="http://samsung.mobileappstore.com/" title="mobileappstore.com" rel="nofollow">http://samsung.mobileappstore.com/</a> [mobileappstore.com]

what do you think?


Cheers,

Dean</htmltext>
<tokenext>When is someone going to open up a multiplatform mobile appstore ?
Ex . http : //iphone.mobileappstore.com/ [ mobileappstore.com ] and http : //windows.mobileappstore.com/ [ mobileappstore.com ] If a particular manufacturer wanted something they could set up http : //samsung.mobileappstore.com/ [ mobileappstore.com ] what do you think ?
Cheers , Dean</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When is someone going to open up a multiplatform mobile appstore?
Ex.
http://iphone.mobileappstore.com/ [mobileappstore.com]
and
http://windows.mobileappstore.com/ [mobileappstore.com]

If a particular manufacturer wanted something they could set up http://samsung.mobileappstore.com/ [mobileappstore.com]

what do you think?
Cheers,

Dean</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180686</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>arminw</author>
	<datestamp>1258726860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>....Simply put - pirates suck....</p><p>No kidding, that's why it is more profitable to be in Apple's walled garden.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>....Simply put - pirates suck....No kidding , that 's why it is more profitable to be in Apple 's walled garden .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>....Simply put - pirates suck....No kidding, that's why it is more profitable to be in Apple's walled garden.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178058</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178348</id>
	<title>Re:Hopefully Palm will get this right</title>
	<author>CodeInspired</author>
	<datestamp>1258715340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm with you on this.  I not really sure why Palm always gets left out of these types of discussions.   They have done a fantastic job with WebOS and their App Catalog (now that it supports paid apps) is about as simple as it gets.  Allowing the homebrew apps mixed with the App Catalog is exactly what everyone is looking for.  I can't figure out why palm is not getting more credit for this.

Thanks for the blog link.  I look forward to reading it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm with you on this .
I not really sure why Palm always gets left out of these types of discussions .
They have done a fantastic job with WebOS and their App Catalog ( now that it supports paid apps ) is about as simple as it gets .
Allowing the homebrew apps mixed with the App Catalog is exactly what everyone is looking for .
I ca n't figure out why palm is not getting more credit for this .
Thanks for the blog link .
I look forward to reading it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm with you on this.
I not really sure why Palm always gets left out of these types of discussions.
They have done a fantastic job with WebOS and their App Catalog (now that it supports paid apps) is about as simple as it gets.
Allowing the homebrew apps mixed with the App Catalog is exactly what everyone is looking for.
I can't figure out why palm is not getting more credit for this.
Thanks for the blog link.
I look forward to reading it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177310</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180784</id>
	<title>The way to find Android apps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258727580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.androlib.com/</p><p>First thing I recommend installing is the bar-code reader app. Those 2D barcodes displayed on the pages can be scanned by the phone's camera to initiate an upload/install. That way you don't have to browse twice, once on the Big Screen (desktop computer) and again on the phone.</p><p>The desktop website has the ability to display screenshots, so it's worth it just to be able to see what the app looks like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.androlib.com/First thing I recommend installing is the bar-code reader app .
Those 2D barcodes displayed on the pages can be scanned by the phone 's camera to initiate an upload/install .
That way you do n't have to browse twice , once on the Big Screen ( desktop computer ) and again on the phone.The desktop website has the ability to display screenshots , so it 's worth it just to be able to see what the app looks like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.androlib.com/First thing I recommend installing is the bar-code reader app.
Those 2D barcodes displayed on the pages can be scanned by the phone's camera to initiate an upload/install.
That way you don't have to browse twice, once on the Big Screen (desktop computer) and again on the phone.The desktop website has the ability to display screenshots, so it's worth it just to be able to see what the app looks like.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178528</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178852</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>TrancePhreak</author>
	<datestamp>1258717260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Developers only have to develop for one set of hardware requirements, and can fully take advantage of that piece of hardware.</p></div></blockquote><p>
As of the release of the iPhone 3GS this is not true. The processor and dev environment are the same, but 3GS can do OpenGL ES 2.0 which is not backwards compatible (read will not run on) the other two versions of the iPhone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Developers only have to develop for one set of hardware requirements , and can fully take advantage of that piece of hardware .
As of the release of the iPhone 3GS this is not true .
The processor and dev environment are the same , but 3GS can do OpenGL ES 2.0 which is not backwards compatible ( read will not run on ) the other two versions of the iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Developers only have to develop for one set of hardware requirements, and can fully take advantage of that piece of hardware.
As of the release of the iPhone 3GS this is not true.
The processor and dev environment are the same, but 3GS can do OpenGL ES 2.0 which is not backwards compatible (read will not run on) the other two versions of the iPhone.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177454</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30182246</id>
	<title>Maybe your games just suck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258743060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've yet to play a game from the android store that I'm willing to pay for. Most of them are simply terrible. A few are fun for a couple of minutes, then they get uninstalled. I'll consider buying a game when it's actually fun, has a decent UI, and doesn't make me vomit when I look at it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've yet to play a game from the android store that I 'm willing to pay for .
Most of them are simply terrible .
A few are fun for a couple of minutes , then they get uninstalled .
I 'll consider buying a game when it 's actually fun , has a decent UI , and does n't make me vomit when I look at it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've yet to play a game from the android store that I'm willing to pay for.
Most of them are simply terrible.
A few are fun for a couple of minutes, then they get uninstalled.
I'll consider buying a game when it's actually fun, has a decent UI, and doesn't make me vomit when I look at it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177664</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258713000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe your android has come a long way since<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... it was a treo? Wtf are you smoking man? Whatever it is, I want some.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe your android has come a long way since ... it was a treo ?
Wtf are you smoking man ?
Whatever it is , I want some .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe your android has come a long way since ... it was a treo?
Wtf are you smoking man?
Whatever it is, I want some.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30176616</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177560</id>
	<title>What a shocker.</title>
	<author>MBoffin</author>
	<datestamp>1258712580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean an app market whose sole audience is made up of people who have already resigned themselves to shelling out more money than other people will generate more revenue? Mind. Blown.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean an app market whose sole audience is made up of people who have already resigned themselves to shelling out more money than other people will generate more revenue ?
Mind. Blown .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean an app market whose sole audience is made up of people who have already resigned themselves to shelling out more money than other people will generate more revenue?
Mind. Blown.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178664</id>
	<title>Someone is impatient...</title>
	<author>billsayswow</author>
	<datestamp>1258716480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't Android just starting to make its appearance? I mean, how many phones out there use it, and how long have they been available. This is like selling special seat covers for a BMW that just started selling a few weeks ago. There hasn't been much time, it's not a kind of product that really has first-day rushes, like movies and games and such, and it's not necessarily the most affordable thing ever to just run out and buy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't Android just starting to make its appearance ?
I mean , how many phones out there use it , and how long have they been available .
This is like selling special seat covers for a BMW that just started selling a few weeks ago .
There has n't been much time , it 's not a kind of product that really has first-day rushes , like movies and games and such , and it 's not necessarily the most affordable thing ever to just run out and buy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't Android just starting to make its appearance?
I mean, how many phones out there use it, and how long have they been available.
This is like selling special seat covers for a BMW that just started selling a few weeks ago.
There hasn't been much time, it's not a kind of product that really has first-day rushes, like movies and games and such, and it's not necessarily the most affordable thing ever to just run out and buy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177640</id>
	<title>Android needs an iTunes?</title>
	<author>jinushaun</author>
	<datestamp>1258712880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder how much of this is due to lack of app discoverability? The Android Marketplace website is pretty much useless, and who wants to use their phone for shopping? I know the techies might love that you can download Android apps off the web and install them on memory cards, but the rest of society doesn't think this way. They want an Android version of iTunes to sync their phone with music, video, photos and apps. That's why the App Store for the iPhone works. That's also why Napster was so popular, despite the availability of free MP3s elsewhere like IRC and newsgroups.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how much of this is due to lack of app discoverability ?
The Android Marketplace website is pretty much useless , and who wants to use their phone for shopping ?
I know the techies might love that you can download Android apps off the web and install them on memory cards , but the rest of society does n't think this way .
They want an Android version of iTunes to sync their phone with music , video , photos and apps .
That 's why the App Store for the iPhone works .
That 's also why Napster was so popular , despite the availability of free MP3s elsewhere like IRC and newsgroups .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how much of this is due to lack of app discoverability?
The Android Marketplace website is pretty much useless, and who wants to use their phone for shopping?
I know the techies might love that you can download Android apps off the web and install them on memory cards, but the rest of society doesn't think this way.
They want an Android version of iTunes to sync their phone with music, video, photos and apps.
That's why the App Store for the iPhone works.
That's also why Napster was so popular, despite the availability of free MP3s elsewhere like IRC and newsgroups.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30182452</id>
	<title>Re:CNN on Android developer fears</title>
	<author>4phun</author>
	<datestamp>1258746060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>CNN Tech article on developing for Android:

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/17/android.wired/index.html" title="cnn.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/17/android.wired/index.html</a> [cnn.com]

Will developers get stuck building for the "least common denominator" of 'droid phones?  Or develop for specific models / versions / capabilities?

Throw in phone vendor and carrier OS customizations and the Android app marketplace could get hard to live with...</p></div><p>It has already happened to small developers who find they are overwhelmed by twelve different Android phones already. Their applications have to be tweaked for each one.</p><p>

No one says what will happen when Google, the carrier, or the vendor  changes the firmware with an update for anyone phone. It has become a developer's nightmare. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>CNN Tech article on developing for Android : http : //www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/17/android.wired/index.html [ cnn.com ] Will developers get stuck building for the " least common denominator " of 'droid phones ?
Or develop for specific models / versions / capabilities ?
Throw in phone vendor and carrier OS customizations and the Android app marketplace could get hard to live with...It has already happened to small developers who find they are overwhelmed by twelve different Android phones already .
Their applications have to be tweaked for each one .
No one says what will happen when Google , the carrier , or the vendor changes the firmware with an update for anyone phone .
It has become a developer 's nightmare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CNN Tech article on developing for Android:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/17/android.wired/index.html [cnn.com]

Will developers get stuck building for the "least common denominator" of 'droid phones?
Or develop for specific models / versions / capabilities?
Throw in phone vendor and carrier OS customizations and the Android app marketplace could get hard to live with...It has already happened to small developers who find they are overwhelmed by twelve different Android phones already.
Their applications have to be tweaked for each one.
No one says what will happen when Google, the carrier, or the vendor  changes the firmware with an update for anyone phone.
It has become a developer's nightmare. 
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177172</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177304</id>
	<title>I think it's games in general...</title>
	<author>IANAAC</author>
	<datestamp>1258711800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of all the people I know that either have an iphone or an android-based phone, none of them are really interested in games.
<p>
It would seem to me that games in general just aren't profitable on these phones.  What people seem to want are other type apps, such as location-based, be it a restaurant finder, people finder, or some other type.
</p><p>
And come to think of it, riding the train, I RARELY see anyone playing any type of game.  They're usually involved in some facebook/myspace/twitter goings on or jut listening to music.
</p><p>
I know on my Blackberry, that's the cae for me as well.
</p><p>
Games tend to be fairly time consuming, so I just can't see many people using these device for gaming, at least after the initial novelty wears off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of all the people I know that either have an iphone or an android-based phone , none of them are really interested in games .
It would seem to me that games in general just are n't profitable on these phones .
What people seem to want are other type apps , such as location-based , be it a restaurant finder , people finder , or some other type .
And come to think of it , riding the train , I RARELY see anyone playing any type of game .
They 're usually involved in some facebook/myspace/twitter goings on or jut listening to music .
I know on my Blackberry , that 's the cae for me as well .
Games tend to be fairly time consuming , so I just ca n't see many people using these device for gaming , at least after the initial novelty wears off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of all the people I know that either have an iphone or an android-based phone, none of them are really interested in games.
It would seem to me that games in general just aren't profitable on these phones.
What people seem to want are other type apps, such as location-based, be it a restaurant finder, people finder, or some other type.
And come to think of it, riding the train, I RARELY see anyone playing any type of game.
They're usually involved in some facebook/myspace/twitter goings on or jut listening to music.
I know on my Blackberry, that's the cae for me as well.
Games tend to be fairly time consuming, so I just can't see many people using these device for gaming, at least after the initial novelty wears off.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177378</id>
	<title>Android warez scene</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258712040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And apparently, Google was totally unable to prevent piracy on Android.</p><p>The Android warez scene is alive and kicking, and cracked Android apps are all around, including almost every commercial game and GPS application.</p><p>It looks like it's even easier than it is on the iPhone, without any need to jailbreak the device.</p><p>This is really bad for developers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And apparently , Google was totally unable to prevent piracy on Android.The Android warez scene is alive and kicking , and cracked Android apps are all around , including almost every commercial game and GPS application.It looks like it 's even easier than it is on the iPhone , without any need to jailbreak the device.This is really bad for developers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And apparently, Google was totally unable to prevent piracy on Android.The Android warez scene is alive and kicking, and cracked Android apps are all around, including almost every commercial game and GPS application.It looks like it's even easier than it is on the iPhone, without any need to jailbreak the device.This is really bad for developers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177172</id>
	<title>CNN on Android developer fears</title>
	<author>maiken2051</author>
	<datestamp>1258711380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>CNN Tech article on developing for Android:

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/17/android.wired/index.html" title="cnn.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/17/android.wired/index.html</a> [cnn.com]

Will developers get stuck building for the "least common denominator" of 'droid phones?  Or develop for specific models / versions / capabilities?

Throw in phone vendor and carrier OS customizations and the Android app marketplace could get hard to live with...</htmltext>
<tokenext>CNN Tech article on developing for Android : http : //www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/17/android.wired/index.html [ cnn.com ] Will developers get stuck building for the " least common denominator " of 'droid phones ?
Or develop for specific models / versions / capabilities ?
Throw in phone vendor and carrier OS customizations and the Android app marketplace could get hard to live with.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CNN Tech article on developing for Android:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/17/android.wired/index.html [cnn.com]

Will developers get stuck building for the "least common denominator" of 'droid phones?
Or develop for specific models / versions / capabilities?
Throw in phone vendor and carrier OS customizations and the Android app marketplace could get hard to live with...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30179590</id>
	<title>It's not their core business</title>
	<author>CharlyFoxtrot</author>
	<datestamp>1258720620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/apple.html" title="paulgraham.com">This guy</a> [paulgraham.com] says it best : "So programmers continue to develop iPhone apps, even though Apple continues to maltreat them. [...] Can anything break this cycle? No device I've seen so far could. Palm and RIM haven't a hope. The only credible contender is Android. But Android is an orphan; Google doesn't really care about it, not the way Apple cares about the iPhone. Apple cares about the iPhone the way Google cares about search."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This guy [ paulgraham.com ] says it best : " So programmers continue to develop iPhone apps , even though Apple continues to maltreat them .
[ ... ] Can anything break this cycle ?
No device I 've seen so far could .
Palm and RIM have n't a hope .
The only credible contender is Android .
But Android is an orphan ; Google does n't really care about it , not the way Apple cares about the iPhone .
Apple cares about the iPhone the way Google cares about search .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This guy [paulgraham.com] says it best : "So programmers continue to develop iPhone apps, even though Apple continues to maltreat them.
[...] Can anything break this cycle?
No device I've seen so far could.
Palm and RIM haven't a hope.
The only credible contender is Android.
But Android is an orphan; Google doesn't really care about it, not the way Apple cares about the iPhone.
Apple cares about the iPhone the way Google cares about search.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177508</id>
	<title>Mod article troll</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1258712400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The android market is a lot newer and there are many fewer devices sold. Complaining about not having as much revenue through that stream is asinine. Article author is a whiner and has nothing to contribute but bile. Either that or this is just a thinly veiled bit of Apple propaganda. Either way: BBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The android market is a lot newer and there are many fewer devices sold .
Complaining about not having as much revenue through that stream is asinine .
Article author is a whiner and has nothing to contribute but bile .
Either that or this is just a thinly veiled bit of Apple propaganda .
Either way : BBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! ! ! ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The android market is a lot newer and there are many fewer devices sold.
Complaining about not having as much revenue through that stream is asinine.
Article author is a whiner and has nothing to contribute but bile.
Either that or this is just a thinly veiled bit of Apple propaganda.
Either way: BBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178410</id>
	<title>Some?</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1258715520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Weasel words. 1 would be some.</p><p>i hate the iPhone interface, the way it dials a number when i touch it, instead of just selecting it. Therefore: Some IT professionals hate the iPhone interface....  WHAT IS APPLE DOING WRONG???  OH TEH NOES!</p><p>Maybe we can be forgiving of early generation products.  How long has Android selling vs. iPhone?  What is an appropriate grace period?</p><p>Can we get some numbers?  Maybe constrain/express them in a meaningful way.</p><p>Earlier this week there was headline saying Bing gained 10\% market share.  The problem was that they HAD 10\% market share, what they actually gained was 2\% (over the given time frame).  Stats can be tricky.  2\% can be expressed as "25\% gain!! OMG".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Weasel words .
1 would be some.i hate the iPhone interface , the way it dials a number when i touch it , instead of just selecting it .
Therefore : Some IT professionals hate the iPhone interface.... WHAT IS APPLE DOING WRONG ? ? ?
OH TEH NOES ! Maybe we can be forgiving of early generation products .
How long has Android selling vs. iPhone ? What is an appropriate grace period ? Can we get some numbers ?
Maybe constrain/express them in a meaningful way.Earlier this week there was headline saying Bing gained 10 \ % market share .
The problem was that they HAD 10 \ % market share , what they actually gained was 2 \ % ( over the given time frame ) .
Stats can be tricky .
2 \ % can be expressed as " 25 \ % gain ! !
OMG " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Weasel words.
1 would be some.i hate the iPhone interface, the way it dials a number when i touch it, instead of just selecting it.
Therefore: Some IT professionals hate the iPhone interface....  WHAT IS APPLE DOING WRONG???
OH TEH NOES!Maybe we can be forgiving of early generation products.
How long has Android selling vs. iPhone?  What is an appropriate grace period?Can we get some numbers?
Maybe constrain/express them in a meaningful way.Earlier this week there was headline saying Bing gained 10\% market share.
The problem was that they HAD 10\% market share, what they actually gained was 2\% (over the given time frame).
Stats can be tricky.
2\% can be expressed as "25\% gain!!
OMG".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177014</id>
	<title>Re:Perhaps ..</title>
	<author>Sporkinum</author>
	<datestamp>1258710780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the retard quotient is much higher on the iphone. Much more buy because of "ooh shiny!".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the retard quotient is much higher on the iphone .
Much more buy because of " ooh shiny !
" .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the retard quotient is much higher on the iphone.
Much more buy because of "ooh shiny!
".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30176630</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180934</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258728600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought an Android phone a few months ago, and I've used the marketplace to download quite a few useful, free applications.  I'm vaguely aware that there are applications in the marketplace that you pay for - but I don't really care, because the free applications do everything I want to do with it.</p><p>So, is Android supposed to be a social security program for developers, or a mobile phone platform?  I don't care if piracy kills it as a social security program - but if someone starts implementing digital restrictions management on it, I will be very unhappy on principle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought an Android phone a few months ago , and I 've used the marketplace to download quite a few useful , free applications .
I 'm vaguely aware that there are applications in the marketplace that you pay for - but I do n't really care , because the free applications do everything I want to do with it.So , is Android supposed to be a social security program for developers , or a mobile phone platform ?
I do n't care if piracy kills it as a social security program - but if someone starts implementing digital restrictions management on it , I will be very unhappy on principle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought an Android phone a few months ago, and I've used the marketplace to download quite a few useful, free applications.
I'm vaguely aware that there are applications in the marketplace that you pay for - but I don't really care, because the free applications do everything I want to do with it.So, is Android supposed to be a social security program for developers, or a mobile phone platform?
I don't care if piracy kills it as a social security program - but if someone starts implementing digital restrictions management on it, I will be very unhappy on principle.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178058</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30179422</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>kostmo</author>
	<datestamp>1258719840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>they can't effectively take advantage of advanced features or greater available resources in the high end phones, because they'll lose out on all of the potential customers with the lower end models.</p></div><p>The fact that lower-end models exist in no way prevents devs from taking advantage of the advanced features of high end phones.  If high-end phones are their target market, so be it, and they can make money from sales to those customers.

The <a href="http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-configuration-element.html" title="android.com" rel="nofollow">API specifies a tag</a> [android.com] that can be used to restrict installation to devices that contain the features your app requires.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>they ca n't effectively take advantage of advanced features or greater available resources in the high end phones , because they 'll lose out on all of the potential customers with the lower end models.The fact that lower-end models exist in no way prevents devs from taking advantage of the advanced features of high end phones .
If high-end phones are their target market , so be it , and they can make money from sales to those customers .
The API specifies a tag [ android.com ] that can be used to restrict installation to devices that contain the features your app requires .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they can't effectively take advantage of advanced features or greater available resources in the high end phones, because they'll lose out on all of the potential customers with the lower end models.The fact that lower-end models exist in no way prevents devs from taking advantage of the advanced features of high end phones.
If high-end phones are their target market, so be it, and they can make money from sales to those customers.
The API specifies a tag [android.com] that can be used to restrict installation to devices that contain the features your app requires.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177454</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30184552</id>
	<title>Re:Why I don't buy much from the Android Market</title>
	<author>GrantRobertson</author>
	<datestamp>1258821240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To those who gave helpful replies:</p><p>Thank you very much. I will take a look at those web sites.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To those who gave helpful replies : Thank you very much .
I will take a look at those web sites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To those who gave helpful replies:Thank you very much.
I will take a look at those web sites.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178528</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177662</id>
	<title>Suprised?</title>
	<author>mac84</author>
	<datestamp>1258713000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Suprise!  There are many more iPhones,  therefore more money in developing software for it.

And whether the developer's perspective of the iTunes store is that it sucks,  I think the vast majority of iPhone owners find the store polished, well organized and the software there to be of superior quality to that of the wild west of other smartphones.   Nobody yet has come up with a compelling example where android or windows mobile or palm OS  is flat out superior to what is possible in the iPhone ecosystem. Until then, the developers will follow the users.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Suprise !
There are many more iPhones , therefore more money in developing software for it .
And whether the developer 's perspective of the iTunes store is that it sucks , I think the vast majority of iPhone owners find the store polished , well organized and the software there to be of superior quality to that of the wild west of other smartphones .
Nobody yet has come up with a compelling example where android or windows mobile or palm OS is flat out superior to what is possible in the iPhone ecosystem .
Until then , the developers will follow the users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suprise!
There are many more iPhones,  therefore more money in developing software for it.
And whether the developer's perspective of the iTunes store is that it sucks,  I think the vast majority of iPhone owners find the store polished, well organized and the software there to be of superior quality to that of the wild west of other smartphones.
Nobody yet has come up with a compelling example where android or windows mobile or palm OS  is flat out superior to what is possible in the iPhone ecosystem.
Until then, the developers will follow the users.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30203278</id>
	<title>ummm</title>
	<author>brkello</author>
	<datestamp>1258998480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Android commercials have finally just hit.  Most people still don't even know what it is.  The iPhone has been out for awhile now and has a large user base.  This guy is surprised that Android isn't doing well yet?  I'm sorry, but he seems like a moron.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Android commercials have finally just hit .
Most people still do n't even know what it is .
The iPhone has been out for awhile now and has a large user base .
This guy is surprised that Android is n't doing well yet ?
I 'm sorry , but he seems like a moron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android commercials have finally just hit.
Most people still don't even know what it is.
The iPhone has been out for awhile now and has a large user base.
This guy is surprised that Android isn't doing well yet?
I'm sorry, but he seems like a moron.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178058</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>GooberToo</author>
	<datestamp>1258714320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing most hurting the Android store is piracy. Period. Even worse, many users, for the cost of $0.99, of which<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.60 went to the developer, demand $20k/year level support and if they don't get it, bad mouth the hell out of the developer and the application. Hell, most of the time users just leave shitty comments on the market and refuse to even report a bug. Any developer or user who has spent much time on the market will verify this fact.</p><p>Simple fact - pirates are killing the android market. Period. Entitled users are number two. Number three is Google's complete indifference.</p><p>Also, to the masses, please stop with the idiocy of, "get rich", comments and, "size the market". The FACTS are, the market is already plenty big for many developers to make a living - if only that. This isn't about getting rich. The market size is plenty big - and growing very fast. Period. The problem is, everyone is stealing the applications and its making it impossible for developers to make any money what so ever. This is why more and more (vast majority now) are ONLY developing adware based applications because even with extreme piracy they are able to make buck. This in turn is creating backlash for developers - but pirates have left absolutely no other options for developers. Because of pirates, the only options are, abandon the platform or try with adware applications.</p><p>If you like the Android platform, kick the holy shit out of any pirates you know because THEY are destroying the entire platform. Without professional developers, with the ability to make a living, or hell, even work for greater than third world wages, by in large the platform is going to remain mired in third rate applications and will likely cause the platform to die before it can ever reach "developer critical mass."</p><p>Piracy is so extreme on Android because of all the platforms, its by far the easiest to pirate apps on. Made worse is Google's lie that would provide copy protection. To date, they have not. Google's current "copy protection" is the same concept as the infamous "evil bit" for IP. Bluntly, its all but useless and Google seems more than content to be flipped with developers.</p><p>This means the only rescue for Android is to lock down the platform - not likely - or for people the kick, every pirate they know, in the nuts for destroying what was to be the an excellent mobile platform. I already know two developers how have been forced to leave the platform. A third isn't far away. Simply put - pirates suck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing most hurting the Android store is piracy .
Period. Even worse , many users , for the cost of $ 0.99 , of which .60 went to the developer , demand $ 20k/year level support and if they do n't get it , bad mouth the hell out of the developer and the application .
Hell , most of the time users just leave shitty comments on the market and refuse to even report a bug .
Any developer or user who has spent much time on the market will verify this fact.Simple fact - pirates are killing the android market .
Period. Entitled users are number two .
Number three is Google 's complete indifference.Also , to the masses , please stop with the idiocy of , " get rich " , comments and , " size the market " .
The FACTS are , the market is already plenty big for many developers to make a living - if only that .
This is n't about getting rich .
The market size is plenty big - and growing very fast .
Period. The problem is , everyone is stealing the applications and its making it impossible for developers to make any money what so ever .
This is why more and more ( vast majority now ) are ONLY developing adware based applications because even with extreme piracy they are able to make buck .
This in turn is creating backlash for developers - but pirates have left absolutely no other options for developers .
Because of pirates , the only options are , abandon the platform or try with adware applications.If you like the Android platform , kick the holy shit out of any pirates you know because THEY are destroying the entire platform .
Without professional developers , with the ability to make a living , or hell , even work for greater than third world wages , by in large the platform is going to remain mired in third rate applications and will likely cause the platform to die before it can ever reach " developer critical mass .
" Piracy is so extreme on Android because of all the platforms , its by far the easiest to pirate apps on .
Made worse is Google 's lie that would provide copy protection .
To date , they have not .
Google 's current " copy protection " is the same concept as the infamous " evil bit " for IP .
Bluntly , its all but useless and Google seems more than content to be flipped with developers.This means the only rescue for Android is to lock down the platform - not likely - or for people the kick , every pirate they know , in the nuts for destroying what was to be the an excellent mobile platform .
I already know two developers how have been forced to leave the platform .
A third is n't far away .
Simply put - pirates suck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing most hurting the Android store is piracy.
Period. Even worse, many users, for the cost of $0.99, of which .60 went to the developer, demand $20k/year level support and if they don't get it, bad mouth the hell out of the developer and the application.
Hell, most of the time users just leave shitty comments on the market and refuse to even report a bug.
Any developer or user who has spent much time on the market will verify this fact.Simple fact - pirates are killing the android market.
Period. Entitled users are number two.
Number three is Google's complete indifference.Also, to the masses, please stop with the idiocy of, "get rich", comments and, "size the market".
The FACTS are, the market is already plenty big for many developers to make a living - if only that.
This isn't about getting rich.
The market size is plenty big - and growing very fast.
Period. The problem is, everyone is stealing the applications and its making it impossible for developers to make any money what so ever.
This is why more and more (vast majority now) are ONLY developing adware based applications because even with extreme piracy they are able to make buck.
This in turn is creating backlash for developers - but pirates have left absolutely no other options for developers.
Because of pirates, the only options are, abandon the platform or try with adware applications.If you like the Android platform, kick the holy shit out of any pirates you know because THEY are destroying the entire platform.
Without professional developers, with the ability to make a living, or hell, even work for greater than third world wages, by in large the platform is going to remain mired in third rate applications and will likely cause the platform to die before it can ever reach "developer critical mass.
"Piracy is so extreme on Android because of all the platforms, its by far the easiest to pirate apps on.
Made worse is Google's lie that would provide copy protection.
To date, they have not.
Google's current "copy protection" is the same concept as the infamous "evil bit" for IP.
Bluntly, its all but useless and Google seems more than content to be flipped with developers.This means the only rescue for Android is to lock down the platform - not likely - or for people the kick, every pirate they know, in the nuts for destroying what was to be the an excellent mobile platform.
I already know two developers how have been forced to leave the platform.
A third isn't far away.
Simply put - pirates suck.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30176616</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30176658</id>
	<title>Market share</title>
	<author>Gudeldar</author>
	<datestamp>1258709760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps Android apps don't sell as well as iPhone apps is because there are a <a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/21/canalys\_iphone\_outsold\_all\_windows\_mobile\_phones\_in\_q2\_2009.html" title="appleinsider.com" rel="nofollow">LOT less</a> [appleinsider.com] Android phones than iPhones?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps Android apps do n't sell as well as iPhone apps is because there are a LOT less [ appleinsider.com ] Android phones than iPhones ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps Android apps don't sell as well as iPhone apps is because there are a LOT less [appleinsider.com] Android phones than iPhones?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30184600</id>
	<title>Re:It's not their core business</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258821540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually Google cares about ads. Search and Android are just ways for them to sell more ads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually Google cares about ads .
Search and Android are just ways for them to sell more ads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually Google cares about ads.
Search and Android are just ways for them to sell more ads.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30179590</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30179552</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>L3370</author>
	<datestamp>1258720440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree with this 100\%. I think Apple's control keeps the user experience as advertised. My fear, and please correct me if it is unfounded, is that someone will design a malicious app that can brick your phone. With apple you know the product is under tighter scrutiny and chances are slim. With Android...what happens?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with this 100 \ % .
I think Apple 's control keeps the user experience as advertised .
My fear , and please correct me if it is unfounded , is that someone will design a malicious app that can brick your phone .
With apple you know the product is under tighter scrutiny and chances are slim .
With Android...what happens ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with this 100\%.
I think Apple's control keeps the user experience as advertised.
My fear, and please correct me if it is unfounded, is that someone will design a malicious app that can brick your phone.
With apple you know the product is under tighter scrutiny and chances are slim.
With Android...what happens?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30179978</id>
	<title>OR Maybe....</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1258722660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or maybe the Droid was only released with Android 2.0 three weeks ago and it will take a few more days to build an installed base of people to sell your neat applications to.  Earlier Android phones were cool and all, but the Android 2.0 platform and the hardware enhancements of the new platforms are what's going to build the market for these apps.  Giving up at this point is just silly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or maybe the Droid was only released with Android 2.0 three weeks ago and it will take a few more days to build an installed base of people to sell your neat applications to .
Earlier Android phones were cool and all , but the Android 2.0 platform and the hardware enhancements of the new platforms are what 's going to build the market for these apps .
Giving up at this point is just silly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or maybe the Droid was only released with Android 2.0 three weeks ago and it will take a few more days to build an installed base of people to sell your neat applications to.
Earlier Android phones were cool and all, but the Android 2.0 platform and the hardware enhancements of the new platforms are what's going to build the market for these apps.
Giving up at this point is just silly.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30176962</id>
	<title>Re:Why not both?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258710600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the business world (the for profit business world that is) if ROI=0 then soon I=0.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the business world ( the for profit business world that is ) if ROI = 0 then soon I = 0 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the business world (the for profit business world that is) if ROI=0 then soon I=0.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180052</id>
	<title>Maths anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258722900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is hilarious! They sell ONLY 400 times more apps on IPhone than Android? And what is the ratio of iPhones to Andriod phones? It HAS to be more than that</p><p>Anybody?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is hilarious !
They sell ONLY 400 times more apps on IPhone than Android ?
And what is the ratio of iPhones to Andriod phones ?
It HAS to be more than thatAnybody ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is hilarious!
They sell ONLY 400 times more apps on IPhone than Android?
And what is the ratio of iPhones to Andriod phones?
It HAS to be more than thatAnybody?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30179260</id>
	<title>User Demographics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258719240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's also entirely possible that the difference between iPhone and Android owners means Android owners (likely OSS enthusiasts) may not be as willing to purchase software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's also entirely possible that the difference between iPhone and Android owners means Android owners ( likely OSS enthusiasts ) may not be as willing to purchase software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's also entirely possible that the difference between iPhone and Android owners means Android owners (likely OSS enthusiasts) may not be as willing to purchase software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30176938</id>
	<title>Is your app really even worth $1?</title>
	<author>DrHappyAngry</author>
	<datestamp>1258710540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe if I actually saw an app worth paying for, in the android market, I'd buy it.  Most apps are pretty dumb.  How many fart, soundboard, and girly apps are there?  There's a handful that I probably should make a donation to, like connectbot, gmote, andftp, and cyanogen, but other than I've not seen much that even looks worth $1.

A huge amount of us jumped to android since it's a relatively open platform.  Those of us that are used to open platforms are not used to paying for much.

They do specifically mention gaming, though, and my G1 has a terrible interface for trying to play games on.  Great for what I use it for, but not so good for games.  The hardware on most is kind of slow compared to the iphone, as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe if I actually saw an app worth paying for , in the android market , I 'd buy it .
Most apps are pretty dumb .
How many fart , soundboard , and girly apps are there ?
There 's a handful that I probably should make a donation to , like connectbot , gmote , andftp , and cyanogen , but other than I 've not seen much that even looks worth $ 1 .
A huge amount of us jumped to android since it 's a relatively open platform .
Those of us that are used to open platforms are not used to paying for much .
They do specifically mention gaming , though , and my G1 has a terrible interface for trying to play games on .
Great for what I use it for , but not so good for games .
The hardware on most is kind of slow compared to the iphone , as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe if I actually saw an app worth paying for, in the android market, I'd buy it.
Most apps are pretty dumb.
How many fart, soundboard, and girly apps are there?
There's a handful that I probably should make a donation to, like connectbot, gmote, andftp, and cyanogen, but other than I've not seen much that even looks worth $1.
A huge amount of us jumped to android since it's a relatively open platform.
Those of us that are used to open platforms are not used to paying for much.
They do specifically mention gaming, though, and my G1 has a terrible interface for trying to play games on.
Great for what I use it for, but not so good for games.
The hardware on most is kind of slow compared to the iphone, as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30181840</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258737420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>It seems that those in it for money and distribution will opt for iPhone, and those in it for neither will opt for Android.</i> </p><p>FTFY. But seriously, did these developers make ANY effort to size the market on each platform before making their decision?</p><p>I can totally understand why some developers have problems the iphone approval requirements. But its positively daft to make a business decision on only that basis and then be surprised later to discover that your prospective customers simply do not care. Surprise! They prefer a unified, tightly controlled, non-sucky smartphone experience even at the expense of some interesting apps.</p><p>Personally I'd go a step further. I would give up EVERY SINGLE THIRD PARTY APP not to have to go back to the Treo that my iPhone replaced. Maybe Android has come a long way since then but for the first time I am actually happy with my phone and not motivated enough to find out.</p></div><p>First things first get your facts straight. Treo is a  Palm phone not an Android. Android phones have only been out about a year and up until now only one or 2 carriers in the world had them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems that those in it for money and distribution will opt for iPhone , and those in it for neither will opt for Android .
FTFY. But seriously , did these developers make ANY effort to size the market on each platform before making their decision ? I can totally understand why some developers have problems the iphone approval requirements .
But its positively daft to make a business decision on only that basis and then be surprised later to discover that your prospective customers simply do not care .
Surprise ! They prefer a unified , tightly controlled , non-sucky smartphone experience even at the expense of some interesting apps.Personally I 'd go a step further .
I would give up EVERY SINGLE THIRD PARTY APP not to have to go back to the Treo that my iPhone replaced .
Maybe Android has come a long way since then but for the first time I am actually happy with my phone and not motivated enough to find out.First things first get your facts straight .
Treo is a Palm phone not an Android .
Android phones have only been out about a year and up until now only one or 2 carriers in the world had them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> It seems that those in it for money and distribution will opt for iPhone, and those in it for neither will opt for Android.
FTFY. But seriously, did these developers make ANY effort to size the market on each platform before making their decision?I can totally understand why some developers have problems the iphone approval requirements.
But its positively daft to make a business decision on only that basis and then be surprised later to discover that your prospective customers simply do not care.
Surprise! They prefer a unified, tightly controlled, non-sucky smartphone experience even at the expense of some interesting apps.Personally I'd go a step further.
I would give up EVERY SINGLE THIRD PARTY APP not to have to go back to the Treo that my iPhone replaced.
Maybe Android has come a long way since then but for the first time I am actually happy with my phone and not motivated enough to find out.First things first get your facts straight.
Treo is a  Palm phone not an Android.
Android phones have only been out about a year and up until now only one or 2 carriers in the world had them.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30179178</id>
	<title>Why not neither?</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1258718760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't understand why Slashdot stories act as if the only choices in the market are the Iphone and Android, when these are both minority players in the market. It's a false dichotomy. If I was a developer, I'd look at say Nokia (with about 40\% of the market), or any of the other major players. Even Blackberry has more of a market share than the Iphone, last time I looked. Don't get me wrong, Android looks interesting (as an open platform - unlike the Iphone).</p><p>Of course I'll probably get modded down because these facts don't fit in with an Apple fan's worldview, but that doesn't change what's true - the reality of the mobile market is not decided simply by who has mod points today.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand why Slashdot stories act as if the only choices in the market are the Iphone and Android , when these are both minority players in the market .
It 's a false dichotomy .
If I was a developer , I 'd look at say Nokia ( with about 40 \ % of the market ) , or any of the other major players .
Even Blackberry has more of a market share than the Iphone , last time I looked .
Do n't get me wrong , Android looks interesting ( as an open platform - unlike the Iphone ) .Of course I 'll probably get modded down because these facts do n't fit in with an Apple fan 's worldview , but that does n't change what 's true - the reality of the mobile market is not decided simply by who has mod points today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand why Slashdot stories act as if the only choices in the market are the Iphone and Android, when these are both minority players in the market.
It's a false dichotomy.
If I was a developer, I'd look at say Nokia (with about 40\% of the market), or any of the other major players.
Even Blackberry has more of a market share than the Iphone, last time I looked.
Don't get me wrong, Android looks interesting (as an open platform - unlike the Iphone).Of course I'll probably get modded down because these facts don't fit in with an Apple fan's worldview, but that doesn't change what's true - the reality of the mobile market is not decided simply by who has mod points today.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178344</id>
	<title>Buying Model</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258715280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The iPhone is nice because it's all tied to one account. All your music purchases, your app store purchases are all done through one account. This makes it very easy, especially on a mobile device, to simply purchase without having to perform tedious tasks to get the items. With Android it's very different, most people don't have a google account with their credit card info, the same goes for music, the default which is amazon, most people might not have an amazon account.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPhone is nice because it 's all tied to one account .
All your music purchases , your app store purchases are all done through one account .
This makes it very easy , especially on a mobile device , to simply purchase without having to perform tedious tasks to get the items .
With Android it 's very different , most people do n't have a google account with their credit card info , the same goes for music , the default which is amazon , most people might not have an amazon account .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPhone is nice because it's all tied to one account.
All your music purchases, your app store purchases are all done through one account.
This makes it very easy, especially on a mobile device, to simply purchase without having to perform tedious tasks to get the items.
With Android it's very different, most people don't have a google account with their credit card info, the same goes for music, the default which is amazon, most people might not have an amazon account.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180326</id>
	<title>Maemo</title>
	<author>relaxinparadise</author>
	<datestamp>1258724460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone have anything to say about the Maemo OS that is coming out on the Nokia N900? I would think with the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./ crowd that a debian based phone OS is automatic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone have anything to say about the Maemo OS that is coming out on the Nokia N900 ?
I would think with the ./ crowd that a debian based phone OS is automatic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone have anything to say about the Maemo OS that is coming out on the Nokia N900?
I would think with the ./ crowd that a debian based phone OS is automatic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178562</id>
	<title>Re:Android without a phone plan?</title>
	<author>Zargg</author>
	<datestamp>1258716120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>If you are a trendy game player you are buying the iPhone and games for it, but if you are an Android user you care less for games and more about being "free" ??</p></div><p>Another thing to consider: iPhone is to Android phone as iPod Touch is to what?</p></div><p>iPod touch is to Android non-phone....

archos 5 internet tablet, zii egg (dev edition but I would suspect a future creative consumer edition is in the works), any unlocked smartphone (you dont HAVE to have a phone plan....).

Android is just now opening up to devices that don't have the phone features so there are more to come I'm sure</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are a trendy game player you are buying the iPhone and games for it , but if you are an Android user you care less for games and more about being " free " ?
? Another thing to consider : iPhone is to Android phone as iPod Touch is to what ? iPod touch is to Android non-phone... . archos 5 internet tablet , zii egg ( dev edition but I would suspect a future creative consumer edition is in the works ) , any unlocked smartphone ( you dont HAVE to have a phone plan.... ) .
Android is just now opening up to devices that do n't have the phone features so there are more to come I 'm sure</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are a trendy game player you are buying the iPhone and games for it, but if you are an Android user you care less for games and more about being "free" ?
?Another thing to consider: iPhone is to Android phone as iPod Touch is to what?iPod touch is to Android non-phone....

archos 5 internet tablet, zii egg (dev edition but I would suspect a future creative consumer edition is in the works), any unlocked smartphone (you dont HAVE to have a phone plan....).
Android is just now opening up to devices that don't have the phone features so there are more to come I'm sure
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180494</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258725540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>It seems that those in it for money and distribution will opt for iPhone, and those in it for neither will opt for Android.</i> </p><p>FTFY. But seriously, did these developers make ANY effort to size the market on each platform before making their decision?</p><p>I can totally understand why some developers have problems the iphone approval requirements. But its positively daft to make a business decision on only that basis and then be surprised later to discover that your prospective customers simply do not care. Surprise! They prefer a unified, tightly controlled, non-sucky smartphone experience even at the expense of some interesting apps.</p><p>Personally I'd go a step further. I would give up EVERY SINGLE THIRD PARTY APP not to have to go back to the Treo that my iPhone replaced. Maybe Android has come a long way since then but for the first time I am actually happy with my phone and not motivated enough to find out.</p></div><p>Not the brightest bulb in the pack are you? Treo is not Android. Treo is Palm. Android phones just started appearing last year.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems that those in it for money and distribution will opt for iPhone , and those in it for neither will opt for Android .
FTFY. But seriously , did these developers make ANY effort to size the market on each platform before making their decision ? I can totally understand why some developers have problems the iphone approval requirements .
But its positively daft to make a business decision on only that basis and then be surprised later to discover that your prospective customers simply do not care .
Surprise ! They prefer a unified , tightly controlled , non-sucky smartphone experience even at the expense of some interesting apps.Personally I 'd go a step further .
I would give up EVERY SINGLE THIRD PARTY APP not to have to go back to the Treo that my iPhone replaced .
Maybe Android has come a long way since then but for the first time I am actually happy with my phone and not motivated enough to find out.Not the brightest bulb in the pack are you ?
Treo is not Android .
Treo is Palm .
Android phones just started appearing last year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> It seems that those in it for money and distribution will opt for iPhone, and those in it for neither will opt for Android.
FTFY. But seriously, did these developers make ANY effort to size the market on each platform before making their decision?I can totally understand why some developers have problems the iphone approval requirements.
But its positively daft to make a business decision on only that basis and then be surprised later to discover that your prospective customers simply do not care.
Surprise! They prefer a unified, tightly controlled, non-sucky smartphone experience even at the expense of some interesting apps.Personally I'd go a step further.
I would give up EVERY SINGLE THIRD PARTY APP not to have to go back to the Treo that my iPhone replaced.
Maybe Android has come a long way since then but for the first time I am actually happy with my phone and not motivated enough to find out.Not the brightest bulb in the pack are you?
Treo is not Android.
Treo is Palm.
Android phones just started appearing last year.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180284</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258724220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Utterly exaggerated. Apple has a tiny percentage of the cell phone market on a network that sucks. They have grabbed a percentage of the high-end richy young person market and that is about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Utterly exaggerated .
Apple has a tiny percentage of the cell phone market on a network that sucks .
They have grabbed a percentage of the high-end richy young person market and that is about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Utterly exaggerated.
Apple has a tiny percentage of the cell phone market on a network that sucks.
They have grabbed a percentage of the high-end richy young person market and that is about it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177454</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30181790</id>
	<title>Confused</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258736940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So if you think about this they are saying its worth putting up with the annoying process for 400\% more sales but not worth going through no head aches for what would be 20\% of their sales =\<br>I mean if you sell 4 times more.. then 1 sale on android = 4 sales on iphone and thats 20\% per sale average and thats suppose to be a small number?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So if you think about this they are saying its worth putting up with the annoying process for 400 \ % more sales but not worth going through no head aches for what would be 20 \ % of their sales = \ I mean if you sell 4 times more.. then 1 sale on android = 4 sales on iphone and thats 20 \ % per sale average and thats suppose to be a small number ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if you think about this they are saying its worth putting up with the annoying process for 400\% more sales but not worth going through no head aches for what would be 20\% of their sales =\I mean if you sell 4 times more.. then 1 sale on android = 4 sales on iphone and thats 20\% per sale average and thats suppose to be a small number?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30176792</id>
	<title>Re:Perhaps ..</title>
	<author>mjihad</author>
	<datestamp>1258710180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>.. at the moment the difference in sales is due to market segmentation based on who is buying each type of phone?</p><p>If you are a trendy game player you are buying the iPhone and games for it, but if you are an Android user you care less for games and more about being "free" ??</p></div><p>Actually, there are two big differences between the Android market and the iPhone app store, business wise: there are less Android phones out there than iPhones and iPod Touches and the Android Market <a href="http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=143779" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">does not have paid apps available in every country</a> [google.com], including Canada, Sweden, Finland, Mexico, Belgium, Greece, Ireland, South Korea, China, Brazil, India and Russia.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>.. at the moment the difference in sales is due to market segmentation based on who is buying each type of phone ? If you are a trendy game player you are buying the iPhone and games for it , but if you are an Android user you care less for games and more about being " free " ?
? Actually , there are two big differences between the Android market and the iPhone app store , business wise : there are less Android phones out there than iPhones and iPod Touches and the Android Market does not have paid apps available in every country [ google.com ] , including Canada , Sweden , Finland , Mexico , Belgium , Greece , Ireland , South Korea , China , Brazil , India and Russia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. at the moment the difference in sales is due to market segmentation based on who is buying each type of phone?If you are a trendy game player you are buying the iPhone and games for it, but if you are an Android user you care less for games and more about being "free" ?
?Actually, there are two big differences between the Android market and the iPhone app store, business wise: there are less Android phones out there than iPhones and iPod Touches and the Android Market does not have paid apps available in every country [google.com], including Canada, Sweden, Finland, Mexico, Belgium, Greece, Ireland, South Korea, China, Brazil, India and Russia.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178128</id>
	<title>Don't forget Poland!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258714560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because in Poland there are no paid apps in the market too...:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because in Poland there are no paid apps in the market too... : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because in Poland there are no paid apps in the market too...:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30182462</id>
	<title>Re:Why not neither?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258746180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because people with money to burn buy an iphone. They're cash cows. End of story. Move along please.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because people with money to burn buy an iphone .
They 're cash cows .
End of story .
Move along please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because people with money to burn buy an iphone.
They're cash cows.
End of story.
Move along please.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177254</id>
	<title>The obvious reason is...</title>
	<author>rickb928</author>
	<datestamp>1258711620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Android users are cheap bastids.</p><p>This is not a troll, it is not a flame, it is the truth.  Mod me down if you are resistant to the truth.</p><p>Which means I will suffer...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Android users are cheap bastids.This is not a troll , it is not a flame , it is the truth .
Mod me down if you are resistant to the truth.Which means I will suffer.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android users are cheap bastids.This is not a troll, it is not a flame, it is the truth.
Mod me down if you are resistant to the truth.Which means I will suffer...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30182718</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1258794120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Exactly. A mobile phone, even a smart phone, is far more of an appliance (or a game console) than a standard computer is</p></div></blockquote><p>

This is exactly what Android is trying to change.<br> <br>

You may not be old enough to remember but I am. About 20 years ago the PC market was the same as the mobile market is today, Hardware, Software and service were tightly integrated and came from a single provider (this is called Vertical Integration), then along came this upstart company founded by a Harvard drop-out called Microsoft who had developed this product called Windows 3.1 and then had the audacity to sell the software separate from the hardware, the software also ran on generic hardware so multiple vendors could produce hardware and the OS provided a consistent framework for applications. Win 3.1 opened up the hardware market, killed the vertical integrators and created competition. Even Linux owe's its success to the market created by Win 3.1. Apple may have made the first popular PC but it was Windows 3.1 that put the PC on every desk in the world.<br> <br>

I'm sure the Apple II fanboys said the same thing about Win 3.1 as the iphone fanboys are saying about Android, that different hardware would make the platform too inconsistent. It didn't turn out that way with Win 3.1. An OS can sit on a variety of hardware and maintain consistency, Linux and Windows are living proof of this. Android is attempting to separate the vertical integration monopolies of the mobile phone market and frankly, its about damn time as this needs to happen to the mobile phone/service industries.<br> <br>

We are already seeing the phone HW market start to open up as non-phone technology companies like Acer, Asus and Nvidia are producing mobile phones running Android, not to mention non phone products like the Barnes and Noble "Nook" ebook reader.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Exactly .
A mobile phone , even a smart phone , is far more of an appliance ( or a game console ) than a standard computer is This is exactly what Android is trying to change .
You may not be old enough to remember but I am .
About 20 years ago the PC market was the same as the mobile market is today , Hardware , Software and service were tightly integrated and came from a single provider ( this is called Vertical Integration ) , then along came this upstart company founded by a Harvard drop-out called Microsoft who had developed this product called Windows 3.1 and then had the audacity to sell the software separate from the hardware , the software also ran on generic hardware so multiple vendors could produce hardware and the OS provided a consistent framework for applications .
Win 3.1 opened up the hardware market , killed the vertical integrators and created competition .
Even Linux owe 's its success to the market created by Win 3.1 .
Apple may have made the first popular PC but it was Windows 3.1 that put the PC on every desk in the world .
I 'm sure the Apple II fanboys said the same thing about Win 3.1 as the iphone fanboys are saying about Android , that different hardware would make the platform too inconsistent .
It did n't turn out that way with Win 3.1 .
An OS can sit on a variety of hardware and maintain consistency , Linux and Windows are living proof of this .
Android is attempting to separate the vertical integration monopolies of the mobile phone market and frankly , its about damn time as this needs to happen to the mobile phone/service industries .
We are already seeing the phone HW market start to open up as non-phone technology companies like Acer , Asus and Nvidia are producing mobile phones running Android , not to mention non phone products like the Barnes and Noble " Nook " ebook reader .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
A mobile phone, even a smart phone, is far more of an appliance (or a game console) than a standard computer is

This is exactly what Android is trying to change.
You may not be old enough to remember but I am.
About 20 years ago the PC market was the same as the mobile market is today, Hardware, Software and service were tightly integrated and came from a single provider (this is called Vertical Integration), then along came this upstart company founded by a Harvard drop-out called Microsoft who had developed this product called Windows 3.1 and then had the audacity to sell the software separate from the hardware, the software also ran on generic hardware so multiple vendors could produce hardware and the OS provided a consistent framework for applications.
Win 3.1 opened up the hardware market, killed the vertical integrators and created competition.
Even Linux owe's its success to the market created by Win 3.1.
Apple may have made the first popular PC but it was Windows 3.1 that put the PC on every desk in the world.
I'm sure the Apple II fanboys said the same thing about Win 3.1 as the iphone fanboys are saying about Android, that different hardware would make the platform too inconsistent.
It didn't turn out that way with Win 3.1.
An OS can sit on a variety of hardware and maintain consistency, Linux and Windows are living proof of this.
Android is attempting to separate the vertical integration monopolies of the mobile phone market and frankly, its about damn time as this needs to happen to the mobile phone/service industries.
We are already seeing the phone HW market start to open up as non-phone technology companies like Acer, Asus and Nvidia are producing mobile phones running Android, not to mention non phone products like the Barnes and Noble "Nook" ebook reader.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30182298</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>4phun</author>
	<datestamp>1258743780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> If people saw their phones as personal computers, Android's model would be more successful.  However, it doesn't seem to fit in with how most people use their phones.  It will find purchase among the small segment of the market that enjoys endlessly tinkering with their gadgets, or philosophically oppose closed designs enough to forgo the iPhone, but the majority of the population will continue to flock to the iPhone.</p></div><p>
Those who have a  mindset to choose one of the many different variations of Android are enthralled with the idea of getting something for free. To make real money on that platform you would have to serve a lot of click advertising which mars the user experience. Google has already decided that is where their money is and some ads now appear on the home screen of the new Droid.
</p><p>
These are the exact same ones who if they owned an iPhone would be pirating all the games' they could instead of actually purchasing them. That pretty much means you are not going to make any money developing a game for the Android. It also would indicate there will be an even stronger pirate community that will rapidly develop around Android to the dismay of legitimate developers.
</p><p>
Second if you look at the free GPS app that Google had for the Android and compare it to the GPS aps on the iPhone you will discover an interesting flaw. GPS apps that do not store their map data on the handset like a normal PND are not very good when you loose a cellular signal or have a weak one in the boonies. This is the type of app Google has. It is blown away by the dedicated GPS apps available on the iPhone that store their map data on the iPhone which are far faster and more responsive.
</p><p>
But the sheer fact that Google gives away a GPS map precludes any reasonable PND vendor from even bothering to port their GPS app to an Android as they would be competing with FREE by the OS vendor. The awkward Android OS rules for storing data on a Gphone do not help either.
</p><p>
I see no future in Android when compared to an iPhone. It will be just another open source project like Linux that will be hard to monetize.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If people saw their phones as personal computers , Android 's model would be more successful .
However , it does n't seem to fit in with how most people use their phones .
It will find purchase among the small segment of the market that enjoys endlessly tinkering with their gadgets , or philosophically oppose closed designs enough to forgo the iPhone , but the majority of the population will continue to flock to the iPhone .
Those who have a mindset to choose one of the many different variations of Android are enthralled with the idea of getting something for free .
To make real money on that platform you would have to serve a lot of click advertising which mars the user experience .
Google has already decided that is where their money is and some ads now appear on the home screen of the new Droid .
These are the exact same ones who if they owned an iPhone would be pirating all the games ' they could instead of actually purchasing them .
That pretty much means you are not going to make any money developing a game for the Android .
It also would indicate there will be an even stronger pirate community that will rapidly develop around Android to the dismay of legitimate developers .
Second if you look at the free GPS app that Google had for the Android and compare it to the GPS aps on the iPhone you will discover an interesting flaw .
GPS apps that do not store their map data on the handset like a normal PND are not very good when you loose a cellular signal or have a weak one in the boonies .
This is the type of app Google has .
It is blown away by the dedicated GPS apps available on the iPhone that store their map data on the iPhone which are far faster and more responsive .
But the sheer fact that Google gives away a GPS map precludes any reasonable PND vendor from even bothering to port their GPS app to an Android as they would be competing with FREE by the OS vendor .
The awkward Android OS rules for storing data on a Gphone do not help either .
I see no future in Android when compared to an iPhone .
It will be just another open source project like Linux that will be hard to monetize .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If people saw their phones as personal computers, Android's model would be more successful.
However, it doesn't seem to fit in with how most people use their phones.
It will find purchase among the small segment of the market that enjoys endlessly tinkering with their gadgets, or philosophically oppose closed designs enough to forgo the iPhone, but the majority of the population will continue to flock to the iPhone.
Those who have a  mindset to choose one of the many different variations of Android are enthralled with the idea of getting something for free.
To make real money on that platform you would have to serve a lot of click advertising which mars the user experience.
Google has already decided that is where their money is and some ads now appear on the home screen of the new Droid.
These are the exact same ones who if they owned an iPhone would be pirating all the games' they could instead of actually purchasing them.
That pretty much means you are not going to make any money developing a game for the Android.
It also would indicate there will be an even stronger pirate community that will rapidly develop around Android to the dismay of legitimate developers.
Second if you look at the free GPS app that Google had for the Android and compare it to the GPS aps on the iPhone you will discover an interesting flaw.
GPS apps that do not store their map data on the handset like a normal PND are not very good when you loose a cellular signal or have a weak one in the boonies.
This is the type of app Google has.
It is blown away by the dedicated GPS apps available on the iPhone that store their map data on the iPhone which are far faster and more responsive.
But the sheer fact that Google gives away a GPS map precludes any reasonable PND vendor from even bothering to port their GPS app to an Android as they would be competing with FREE by the OS vendor.
The awkward Android OS rules for storing data on a Gphone do not help either.
I see no future in Android when compared to an iPhone.
It will be just another open source project like Linux that will be hard to monetize.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30182516</id>
	<title>Symbian apps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258833660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On Symbian 60, you actually have to manually reinstall all your third-party apps after an OS update, even a minor one. The Nokia PC software doesn't help one bit with the process.  It just reflashes the whole phone. You could say that it's the more developer-hostile than Android or iPhone, since that basically limits your market to hobbyists.</htmltext>
<tokenext>On Symbian 60 , you actually have to manually reinstall all your third-party apps after an OS update , even a minor one .
The Nokia PC software does n't help one bit with the process .
It just reflashes the whole phone .
You could say that it 's the more developer-hostile than Android or iPhone , since that basically limits your market to hobbyists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On Symbian 60, you actually have to manually reinstall all your third-party apps after an OS update, even a minor one.
The Nokia PC software doesn't help one bit with the process.
It just reflashes the whole phone.
You could say that it's the more developer-hostile than Android or iPhone, since that basically limits your market to hobbyists.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180064</id>
	<title>Re:Market share</title>
	<author>dean.collins</author>
	<datestamp>1258723020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Motorola Droid rocks - the ketboard sucks compared to a htc but the benefits far out the negatives.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Motorola Droid rocks - the ketboard sucks compared to a htc but the benefits far out the negatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Motorola Droid rocks - the ketboard sucks compared to a htc but the benefits far out the negatives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178548</id>
	<title>Re:Market share</title>
	<author>broken\_chaos</author>
	<datestamp>1258716060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if Apple's 'late' release of a public SDK and the app store (compared to the initial release of the iPhone) actually <em>significantly</em> helped the app store. Instead of opening it up when there's only a tiny bit of market share (with anyone who starts early being driven away by the lack of customers), they opened it up when there was <em>demand</em> (quite literally) for apps and enough of a market share to support it. And it seems to have worked out very, very well for them and the developers.</p><p>Maybe Apple's original "use the web to make apps! we don't need a SDK!" was just misdirection away from their real plan... I suppose it depends on how devious you give Apple credit for being, whether this is a possibility or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if Apple 's 'late ' release of a public SDK and the app store ( compared to the initial release of the iPhone ) actually significantly helped the app store .
Instead of opening it up when there 's only a tiny bit of market share ( with anyone who starts early being driven away by the lack of customers ) , they opened it up when there was demand ( quite literally ) for apps and enough of a market share to support it .
And it seems to have worked out very , very well for them and the developers.Maybe Apple 's original " use the web to make apps !
we do n't need a SDK !
" was just misdirection away from their real plan... I suppose it depends on how devious you give Apple credit for being , whether this is a possibility or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if Apple's 'late' release of a public SDK and the app store (compared to the initial release of the iPhone) actually significantly helped the app store.
Instead of opening it up when there's only a tiny bit of market share (with anyone who starts early being driven away by the lack of customers), they opened it up when there was demand (quite literally) for apps and enough of a market share to support it.
And it seems to have worked out very, very well for them and the developers.Maybe Apple's original "use the web to make apps!
we don't need a SDK!
" was just misdirection away from their real plan... I suppose it depends on how devious you give Apple credit for being, whether this is a possibility or not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30181852</id>
	<title>Re:Why I don't buy much from the Android Market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258737660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so basically you want google to use more control over the app store...lol</p><p>oh the hypocrisy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so basically you want google to use more control over the app store...loloh the hypocrisy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so basically you want google to use more control over the app store...loloh the hypocrisy</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30182386</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>4phun</author>
	<datestamp>1258744920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The thing most hurting the Android store is piracy. Period. Even worse, many users, for the cost of $0.99, of which<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.60 went to the developer, demand $20k/year level support and if they don't get it, bad mouth the hell out of the developer and the application. Hell, most of the time users just leave shitty comments on the market .

</p><p>This means the only rescue for Android is to lock down the platform - not likely - or for people the kick, every pirate they know, in the nuts for destroying what was to be the an excellent mobile platform. I already know two developers how have been forced to leave the platform. A third isn't far away. Simply put - pirates suck.</p></div><p>BINGO </p><p>

This what I have already observed. It is too easy to pirate Android software, so who is going to invest time and money developing anything really good for Android? </p><p>

If there isn't the same quality and quantity found with Apple then no reasonable informed person will waste their money for an inferior experience. </p><p>They would be better off buying a shirt pocket iPod Touch with WiFi and a cheap phone without the huge monthly expense of the Androids.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The thing most hurting the Android store is piracy .
Period. Even worse , many users , for the cost of $ 0.99 , of which .60 went to the developer , demand $ 20k/year level support and if they do n't get it , bad mouth the hell out of the developer and the application .
Hell , most of the time users just leave shitty comments on the market .
This means the only rescue for Android is to lock down the platform - not likely - or for people the kick , every pirate they know , in the nuts for destroying what was to be the an excellent mobile platform .
I already know two developers how have been forced to leave the platform .
A third is n't far away .
Simply put - pirates suck.BINGO This what I have already observed .
It is too easy to pirate Android software , so who is going to invest time and money developing anything really good for Android ?
If there is n't the same quality and quantity found with Apple then no reasonable informed person will waste their money for an inferior experience .
They would be better off buying a shirt pocket iPod Touch with WiFi and a cheap phone without the huge monthly expense of the Androids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing most hurting the Android store is piracy.
Period. Even worse, many users, for the cost of $0.99, of which .60 went to the developer, demand $20k/year level support and if they don't get it, bad mouth the hell out of the developer and the application.
Hell, most of the time users just leave shitty comments on the market .
This means the only rescue for Android is to lock down the platform - not likely - or for people the kick, every pirate they know, in the nuts for destroying what was to be the an excellent mobile platform.
I already know two developers how have been forced to leave the platform.
A third isn't far away.
Simply put - pirates suck.BINGO 

This what I have already observed.
It is too easy to pirate Android software, so who is going to invest time and money developing anything really good for Android?
If there isn't the same quality and quantity found with Apple then no reasonable informed person will waste their money for an inferior experience.
They would be better off buying a shirt pocket iPod Touch with WiFi and a cheap phone without the huge monthly expense of the Androids.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30179474</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1258720080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>but the majority of the population will continue to flock to the iPhone.</i></p><p>*snort* I'm sorry, it worries me just how touch with reality people here are. I thought this was suppose to be a place where people were up to date on tech news?</p><p>Android may be less popular than the Iphone, but that's not saying much, when the Iphone only has about 1-2\% of the market. No phone company has a \_majority\_, but Nokia are the biggest, at around 40\%. Those are the facts. Now onto the debate:</p><p>It's true that most phones are far more locked down than computers (although the Iphone takes this to a whole new level, by mandating what applications people are allowed to run). I think that's a bad thing. I don't see any evidence that people want this, because there simply hasn't been the choice, and Android is a new contender, that's seen little advertising.</p><p>But if we are going by market figures, then they show that most people don't want phones as locked down as the Iphone (and if we're going by market figures, they show that most people want Windows, and few people want Macs - still okay with equating market share with what the people really want?)</p><p>Another fallacy is that you are ignoring netbooks. It could be that the sort of people who want a mobile device more like a computer aren't buying any of the phones (which don't offer what they want), and are simply going for netbooks.</p><p>And finally, yes, it's trivially true that most people aren't interested in a mobile computer, but that's simply because most people prefer to talk and text people, rather than using computers all the time - and these are the people buying dirt cheap standard phones, not fancy Iphones, anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but the majority of the population will continue to flock to the iPhone .
* snort * I 'm sorry , it worries me just how touch with reality people here are .
I thought this was suppose to be a place where people were up to date on tech news ? Android may be less popular than the Iphone , but that 's not saying much , when the Iphone only has about 1-2 \ % of the market .
No phone company has a \ _majority \ _ , but Nokia are the biggest , at around 40 \ % .
Those are the facts .
Now onto the debate : It 's true that most phones are far more locked down than computers ( although the Iphone takes this to a whole new level , by mandating what applications people are allowed to run ) .
I think that 's a bad thing .
I do n't see any evidence that people want this , because there simply has n't been the choice , and Android is a new contender , that 's seen little advertising.But if we are going by market figures , then they show that most people do n't want phones as locked down as the Iphone ( and if we 're going by market figures , they show that most people want Windows , and few people want Macs - still okay with equating market share with what the people really want ?
) Another fallacy is that you are ignoring netbooks .
It could be that the sort of people who want a mobile device more like a computer are n't buying any of the phones ( which do n't offer what they want ) , and are simply going for netbooks.And finally , yes , it 's trivially true that most people are n't interested in a mobile computer , but that 's simply because most people prefer to talk and text people , rather than using computers all the time - and these are the people buying dirt cheap standard phones , not fancy Iphones , anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but the majority of the population will continue to flock to the iPhone.
*snort* I'm sorry, it worries me just how touch with reality people here are.
I thought this was suppose to be a place where people were up to date on tech news?Android may be less popular than the Iphone, but that's not saying much, when the Iphone only has about 1-2\% of the market.
No phone company has a \_majority\_, but Nokia are the biggest, at around 40\%.
Those are the facts.
Now onto the debate:It's true that most phones are far more locked down than computers (although the Iphone takes this to a whole new level, by mandating what applications people are allowed to run).
I think that's a bad thing.
I don't see any evidence that people want this, because there simply hasn't been the choice, and Android is a new contender, that's seen little advertising.But if we are going by market figures, then they show that most people don't want phones as locked down as the Iphone (and if we're going by market figures, they show that most people want Windows, and few people want Macs - still okay with equating market share with what the people really want?
)Another fallacy is that you are ignoring netbooks.
It could be that the sort of people who want a mobile device more like a computer aren't buying any of the phones (which don't offer what they want), and are simply going for netbooks.And finally, yes, it's trivially true that most people aren't interested in a mobile computer, but that's simply because most people prefer to talk and text people, rather than using computers all the time - and these are the people buying dirt cheap standard phones, not fancy Iphones, anyway.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177060</id>
	<title>Isn't much better than the iPhone AppStore</title>
	<author>tyrione</author>
	<datestamp>1258710960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey eldavojohn, spare us this false header?<blockquote><div><p>"It is not as neatly done as on the iPhone. Google has not been very good to entice customers to actually buy products. On Android nobody is making significant revenue," Rochefort said.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Fact: It's worse. It's not as neatly done != It isn't much better.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey eldavojohn , spare us this false header ?
" It is not as neatly done as on the iPhone .
Google has not been very good to entice customers to actually buy products .
On Android nobody is making significant revenue , " Rochefort said .
Fact : It 's worse .
It 's not as neatly done ! = It is n't much better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey eldavojohn, spare us this false header?
"It is not as neatly done as on the iPhone.
Google has not been very good to entice customers to actually buy products.
On Android nobody is making significant revenue," Rochefort said.
Fact: It's worse.
It's not as neatly done != It isn't much better.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178528</id>
	<title>Why I don't buy much from the Android Market</title>
	<author>GrantRobertson</author>
	<datestamp>1258716000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is because the only way to find apps is to browse them on the darned phone. Don't get me wrong, I love my Droid. But a 3.5" diagonal screen is not the place I want to be sorting through thousands of almost identical task list apps and trying to find the best one. I hesitate to buy any apps because I never know if I have actually looked through the entire list. We need a real web site with better access to reviews and an easier way to down-rank all those apps that essentially spam. I have run into at least 20 apps with identical descriptions but different names and icons.

When Google cleans up that mess, then maybe I will be willing to spend some money in there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is because the only way to find apps is to browse them on the darned phone .
Do n't get me wrong , I love my Droid .
But a 3.5 " diagonal screen is not the place I want to be sorting through thousands of almost identical task list apps and trying to find the best one .
I hesitate to buy any apps because I never know if I have actually looked through the entire list .
We need a real web site with better access to reviews and an easier way to down-rank all those apps that essentially spam .
I have run into at least 20 apps with identical descriptions but different names and icons .
When Google cleans up that mess , then maybe I will be willing to spend some money in there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is because the only way to find apps is to browse them on the darned phone.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Droid.
But a 3.5" diagonal screen is not the place I want to be sorting through thousands of almost identical task list apps and trying to find the best one.
I hesitate to buy any apps because I never know if I have actually looked through the entire list.
We need a real web site with better access to reviews and an easier way to down-rank all those apps that essentially spam.
I have run into at least 20 apps with identical descriptions but different names and icons.
When Google cleans up that mess, then maybe I will be willing to spend some money in there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177082</id>
	<title>Good grief. It's too early to say anything.</title>
	<author>realmolo</author>
	<datestamp>1258711020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Practically speaking, the public has only become aware of the Android-based phones with the introduction of the Motorola Droid phone. And haven't they only been advertising that for a month or so?</p><p>Android has only *barely* entered the market. Nobody has the phones, so nobody can buy apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Practically speaking , the public has only become aware of the Android-based phones with the introduction of the Motorola Droid phone .
And have n't they only been advertising that for a month or so ? Android has only * barely * entered the market .
Nobody has the phones , so nobody can buy apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Practically speaking, the public has only become aware of the Android-based phones with the introduction of the Motorola Droid phone.
And haven't they only been advertising that for a month or so?Android has only *barely* entered the market.
Nobody has the phones, so nobody can buy apps.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178696</id>
	<title>Re:Show me the apps!</title>
	<author>hawguy</author>
	<datestamp>1258716600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I second this -- it is super annoying that the more "open" platform won't let me browse the app store unless I am using an Android phone.

Even though I'm willing to use the app on my tiny device, I'd still like the ability to sit down at my full-size computer and search or browser the app store.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I second this -- it is super annoying that the more " open " platform wo n't let me browse the app store unless I am using an Android phone .
Even though I 'm willing to use the app on my tiny device , I 'd still like the ability to sit down at my full-size computer and search or browser the app store .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second this -- it is super annoying that the more "open" platform won't let me browse the app store unless I am using an Android phone.
Even though I'm willing to use the app on my tiny device, I'd still like the ability to sit down at my full-size computer and search or browser the app store.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30176640</id>
	<title>Some claim chocolate ice cream better then vanilla</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258709700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext> But I still say eat which ever you personally like.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But I still say eat which ever you personally like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> But I still say eat which ever you personally like.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30176590</id>
	<title>Why not both?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258709520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Surely releasing on both platforms is the way forward in that case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely releasing on both platforms is the way forward in that case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely releasing on both platforms is the way forward in that case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178054</id>
	<title>Re:Market share</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258714320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then you my friend do not understand anything about IT.<br>Linux can not rise that fast because<br>1 - Microsoft and Windows and (Government support for it) existed for way too long<br>2 - It is not backed by a single company/person/entity. It is all about the community</p><p>Android on the other hand is open source, but backed by Google (Goooogle) and only three years behind the iPhone. The recent market share surveys show<br>Android already gained 4\% going up to 7\% (And as most people would think, iPhone is not the market share leader, it is Symbian OS by Nokia).<br>At some point there will be so many android phones (eventho people do not care what it is), it is going to have a significant market share.<br>And even if you don't understand Android OS has some advantages over iPhone OS, which might be important to some people like me (not just using the phone<br>for gaming).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then you my friend do not understand anything about IT.Linux can not rise that fast because1 - Microsoft and Windows and ( Government support for it ) existed for way too long2 - It is not backed by a single company/person/entity .
It is all about the communityAndroid on the other hand is open source , but backed by Google ( Goooogle ) and only three years behind the iPhone .
The recent market share surveys showAndroid already gained 4 \ % going up to 7 \ % ( And as most people would think , iPhone is not the market share leader , it is Symbian OS by Nokia ) .At some point there will be so many android phones ( eventho people do not care what it is ) , it is going to have a significant market share.And even if you do n't understand Android OS has some advantages over iPhone OS , which might be important to some people like me ( not just using the phonefor gaming ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then you my friend do not understand anything about IT.Linux can not rise that fast because1 - Microsoft and Windows and (Government support for it) existed for way too long2 - It is not backed by a single company/person/entity.
It is all about the communityAndroid on the other hand is open source, but backed by Google (Goooogle) and only three years behind the iPhone.
The recent market share surveys showAndroid already gained 4\% going up to 7\% (And as most people would think, iPhone is not the market share leader, it is Symbian OS by Nokia).At some point there will be so many android phones (eventho people do not care what it is), it is going to have a significant market share.And even if you don't understand Android OS has some advantages over iPhone OS, which might be important to some people like me (not just using the phonefor gaming).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177276</id>
	<title>Wait, what?</title>
	<author>greyhueofdoubt</author>
	<datestamp>1258711680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>First:</p><p><div class="quote"><p> We are selling 400 times more games on iPhone than on Android.</p></div><p>Then:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>It seems that those in it for money will opt for iPhone, and those in it for <strong>distribution</strong> will opt for Android.</p></div><p>I'm not sure this is the best example. Gameloft is both selling more games *and* earning more profit on the itunes store, right? I haven't seen any ads for the android app store, either.</p><p>I understand the walled-garden that is the itunes app store, but I don't understand what advantages come from developing solely for android. Less consumer exposure vs open structure?</p><p>If the typical slashdot comment is to be believed, the average joe demands ssh, skype, google voice, and voice-to-text. From that perspective, android will be an unqualified success. On the other hand- and this is just from my experience seeing people's iphones- the average joe wants to play games, take pictures, follow sports, and make their phone look like a lighter or a glass of beer.</p><p>If android is going to become succesful, it will need to have lots of simple games and novelty applications (like the fake beer). And once that happens, the developers who were complaining yesterday that their quality apps were being lost among the crap on itunes will complain about the same thing with android. Even more so, since apple's opaque approval process won't be there to weed out the worst.</p><p>That's just my opinion as of right now; if the playing field changes I'll buy an android phone the minute my current contract expires.</p><p>-b</p></div>
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<tokenext>First : We are selling 400 times more games on iPhone than on Android.Then : It seems that those in it for money will opt for iPhone , and those in it for distribution will opt for Android.I 'm not sure this is the best example .
Gameloft is both selling more games * and * earning more profit on the itunes store , right ?
I have n't seen any ads for the android app store , either.I understand the walled-garden that is the itunes app store , but I do n't understand what advantages come from developing solely for android .
Less consumer exposure vs open structure ? If the typical slashdot comment is to be believed , the average joe demands ssh , skype , google voice , and voice-to-text .
From that perspective , android will be an unqualified success .
On the other hand- and this is just from my experience seeing people 's iphones- the average joe wants to play games , take pictures , follow sports , and make their phone look like a lighter or a glass of beer.If android is going to become succesful , it will need to have lots of simple games and novelty applications ( like the fake beer ) .
And once that happens , the developers who were complaining yesterday that their quality apps were being lost among the crap on itunes will complain about the same thing with android .
Even more so , since apple 's opaque approval process wo n't be there to weed out the worst.That 's just my opinion as of right now ; if the playing field changes I 'll buy an android phone the minute my current contract expires.-b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First: We are selling 400 times more games on iPhone than on Android.Then:It seems that those in it for money will opt for iPhone, and those in it for distribution will opt for Android.I'm not sure this is the best example.
Gameloft is both selling more games *and* earning more profit on the itunes store, right?
I haven't seen any ads for the android app store, either.I understand the walled-garden that is the itunes app store, but I don't understand what advantages come from developing solely for android.
Less consumer exposure vs open structure?If the typical slashdot comment is to be believed, the average joe demands ssh, skype, google voice, and voice-to-text.
From that perspective, android will be an unqualified success.
On the other hand- and this is just from my experience seeing people's iphones- the average joe wants to play games, take pictures, follow sports, and make their phone look like a lighter or a glass of beer.If android is going to become succesful, it will need to have lots of simple games and novelty applications (like the fake beer).
And once that happens, the developers who were complaining yesterday that their quality apps were being lost among the crap on itunes will complain about the same thing with android.
Even more so, since apple's opaque approval process won't be there to weed out the worst.That's just my opinion as of right now; if the playing field changes I'll buy an android phone the minute my current contract expires.-b
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30176630</id>
	<title>Perhaps ..</title>
	<author>OzPeter</author>
	<datestamp>1258709700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>.. at the moment the difference in sales is due to market segmentation based on who is buying each type of phone?</p><p>If you are a trendy game player you are buying the iPhone and games for it, but if you are an Android user you care less for games and more about being "free" ??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.. at the moment the difference in sales is due to market segmentation based on who is buying each type of phone ? If you are a trendy game player you are buying the iPhone and games for it , but if you are an Android user you care less for games and more about being " free " ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. at the moment the difference in sales is due to market segmentation based on who is buying each type of phone?If you are a trendy game player you are buying the iPhone and games for it, but if you are an Android user you care less for games and more about being "free" ?
?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30176922</id>
	<title>iPhone apps make more money...</title>
	<author>jdpars</author>
	<datestamp>1258710540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>iPhone apps make more money because they all have advertisements perilously close to buttons you push to play the game, causing you to bring up the App store. At which point you say, "Screw this, I'll pay $3 to get the ad-free version." Developers, this is a shitty tactic and I won't put up with it any more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>iPhone apps make more money because they all have advertisements perilously close to buttons you push to play the game , causing you to bring up the App store .
At which point you say , " Screw this , I 'll pay $ 3 to get the ad-free version .
" Developers , this is a shitty tactic and I wo n't put up with it any more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iPhone apps make more money because they all have advertisements perilously close to buttons you push to play the game, causing you to bring up the App store.
At which point you say, "Screw this, I'll pay $3 to get the ad-free version.
" Developers, this is a shitty tactic and I won't put up with it any more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30179600</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258720680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or rather, analyze that market?</p><p>iPhones are, commonly, owned by <i>small girls</i> and <i>girly men</i> - all eager to hand over their credit card details for the "new shiny".</p><p>Android phones on the other hand are owned by <b>tech-savvy burly men</b> who program blindfolded and build their own computers from sand they excavate from their very manly and unkempt backyard.</p><p>I, of course, own an Android phone.</p><p>(seriously, being able to hook up the phone directly from the box and hack up a quick app that downloads telephone numbers from the local yellow pages when someone calls you on an unknown number - that's simply not the Apple way - not enough pink unicorns simply.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or rather , analyze that market ? iPhones are , commonly , owned by small girls and girly men - all eager to hand over their credit card details for the " new shiny " .Android phones on the other hand are owned by tech-savvy burly men who program blindfolded and build their own computers from sand they excavate from their very manly and unkempt backyard.I , of course , own an Android phone .
( seriously , being able to hook up the phone directly from the box and hack up a quick app that downloads telephone numbers from the local yellow pages when someone calls you on an unknown number - that 's simply not the Apple way - not enough pink unicorns simply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or rather, analyze that market?iPhones are, commonly, owned by small girls and girly men - all eager to hand over their credit card details for the "new shiny".Android phones on the other hand are owned by tech-savvy burly men who program blindfolded and build their own computers from sand they excavate from their very manly and unkempt backyard.I, of course, own an Android phone.
(seriously, being able to hook up the phone directly from the box and hack up a quick app that downloads telephone numbers from the local yellow pages when someone calls you on an unknown number - that's simply not the Apple way - not enough pink unicorns simply.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180238</id>
	<title>Gameloft's problem is Gameloft.</title>
	<author>ChangeOnInstall</author>
	<datestamp>1258723980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently picked up a Droid (after having had iPhones for the previous two years).</p><p>It appears to me that Gameloft's offerings for Android are poorly executed. The market reviews for this developer are quite low.  Looking at the reviews for their paid games, you'll commonly see comments along the lines of "looks like an NES game", and it's easy to see why from the screenshots.</p><p>I have only tried Gameloft&rsquo;s (free) Solitaire, but if that product is representative, it should come as no surprise why their Android sales are extremely poor. This games is so horrid that I wouldn't have it on my phone if you paid me to.  It appears to be a port from some lesser-spec device.</p><p>When playing the FreeCell game, there is a man in the lower portion of the screen who looks around, nods his head, and emits little &ldquo;Z&rdquo; graphics if you take too long to move, i.e., indicating that he is tired. Who is this guy? Are they familiar with the fact that Solitaire is a single-player game? It is, after all named a derivative of the word &ldquo;solitary&rdquo;. And it does not help that the graphics in this game appear to use a 256-color palette, and textures that were originally intended for a non-smartphone with a screen resolution of about 160x160.</p><p>I'm currently annoyed that there aren't many good games for Android.  I'd pay $10 without blinking for a well done solitaire game.  I've even emailed Solebon suggesting that they port their iPhone product.  But if the only offerings available are crap, I'll stick with the free sudoku and my SNES and Genesis emulators.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently picked up a Droid ( after having had iPhones for the previous two years ) .It appears to me that Gameloft 's offerings for Android are poorly executed .
The market reviews for this developer are quite low .
Looking at the reviews for their paid games , you 'll commonly see comments along the lines of " looks like an NES game " , and it 's easy to see why from the screenshots.I have only tried Gameloft    s ( free ) Solitaire , but if that product is representative , it should come as no surprise why their Android sales are extremely poor .
This games is so horrid that I would n't have it on my phone if you paid me to .
It appears to be a port from some lesser-spec device.When playing the FreeCell game , there is a man in the lower portion of the screen who looks around , nods his head , and emits little    Z    graphics if you take too long to move , i.e. , indicating that he is tired .
Who is this guy ?
Are they familiar with the fact that Solitaire is a single-player game ?
It is , after all named a derivative of the word    solitary    .
And it does not help that the graphics in this game appear to use a 256-color palette , and textures that were originally intended for a non-smartphone with a screen resolution of about 160x160.I 'm currently annoyed that there are n't many good games for Android .
I 'd pay $ 10 without blinking for a well done solitaire game .
I 've even emailed Solebon suggesting that they port their iPhone product .
But if the only offerings available are crap , I 'll stick with the free sudoku and my SNES and Genesis emulators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently picked up a Droid (after having had iPhones for the previous two years).It appears to me that Gameloft's offerings for Android are poorly executed.
The market reviews for this developer are quite low.
Looking at the reviews for their paid games, you'll commonly see comments along the lines of "looks like an NES game", and it's easy to see why from the screenshots.I have only tried Gameloft’s (free) Solitaire, but if that product is representative, it should come as no surprise why their Android sales are extremely poor.
This games is so horrid that I wouldn't have it on my phone if you paid me to.
It appears to be a port from some lesser-spec device.When playing the FreeCell game, there is a man in the lower portion of the screen who looks around, nods his head, and emits little “Z” graphics if you take too long to move, i.e., indicating that he is tired.
Who is this guy?
Are they familiar with the fact that Solitaire is a single-player game?
It is, after all named a derivative of the word “solitary”.
And it does not help that the graphics in this game appear to use a 256-color palette, and textures that were originally intended for a non-smartphone with a screen resolution of about 160x160.I'm currently annoyed that there aren't many good games for Android.
I'd pay $10 without blinking for a well done solitaire game.
I've even emailed Solebon suggesting that they port their iPhone product.
But if the only offerings available are crap, I'll stick with the free sudoku and my SNES and Genesis emulators.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30196404</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>dbcad7</author>
	<datestamp>1258885320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I think that's BS and paranoid... First, I would say that well over 90 percent of Android users don't have a clue on how to pirate something for their Android phone.. They know how to search the market, find the free stuff, and buy "some" of the paid apps.. Just to give you an insight on this Android user (me), let me tell you my thoughts on it.. The base phone came with a lot of useful things, and that took awhile to digest and decide what I needed and wanted to add.. As I have gone on, I have found many great free apps that have made their way to my phone.. and some of these had pay for upgrades that I have purchased.. I do like this model, as well as the "donate" model of doing business.. Is it because I am a cheap bastard who wants everything for nothing ?... no it's because I am a smart bastard who doesn't want to pay<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.99 or 2.99 for a piece of junk that I will never use. Here is the deal.. maybe I am not the "typical" Android user.. I know I am not the typical iPhone user.. all I know is that I am not a "collector"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. Yes I have a great phone, but I do not see any point in clogging it with junk "just because I can".. I am the game developers worst nightmare.. because I think before I purchase.. and my thoughts are.. will I really spend that much time on this game ?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. what exactly do I need in a game for my phone ?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. sadly for them, I have come to the realization that my phone priorities are communication.. In thinking about how I use my phone, I came to the conclusion that games are played occasionally as a time filler.. short periods of time, perhaps during lunch or while waiting in an airport.. I don't need or want a full on epic game with 3d graphics that takes days to complete.. if I want that, I'll do that at home on a game console or PC.. This doesn't mean that I don't want games that are fun, challenging, interesting, and nice looking on my phone.. I do.. It just means that it needs to meet my criteria of.. "will I use it".</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that 's BS and paranoid... First , I would say that well over 90 percent of Android users do n't have a clue on how to pirate something for their Android phone.. They know how to search the market , find the free stuff , and buy " some " of the paid apps.. Just to give you an insight on this Android user ( me ) , let me tell you my thoughts on it.. The base phone came with a lot of useful things , and that took awhile to digest and decide what I needed and wanted to add.. As I have gone on , I have found many great free apps that have made their way to my phone.. and some of these had pay for upgrades that I have purchased.. I do like this model , as well as the " donate " model of doing business.. Is it because I am a cheap bastard who wants everything for nothing ? .. .
no it 's because I am a smart bastard who does n't want to pay .99 or 2.99 for a piece of junk that I will never use .
Here is the deal.. maybe I am not the " typical " Android user.. I know I am not the typical iPhone user.. all I know is that I am not a " collector " .. Yes I have a great phone , but I do not see any point in clogging it with junk " just because I can " .. I am the game developers worst nightmare.. because I think before I purchase.. and my thoughts are.. will I really spend that much time on this game ?
.. what exactly do I need in a game for my phone ?
.. sadly for them , I have come to the realization that my phone priorities are communication.. In thinking about how I use my phone , I came to the conclusion that games are played occasionally as a time filler.. short periods of time , perhaps during lunch or while waiting in an airport.. I do n't need or want a full on epic game with 3d graphics that takes days to complete.. if I want that , I 'll do that at home on a game console or PC.. This does n't mean that I do n't want games that are fun , challenging , interesting , and nice looking on my phone.. I do.. It just means that it needs to meet my criteria of.. " will I use it " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that's BS and paranoid... First, I would say that well over 90 percent of Android users don't have a clue on how to pirate something for their Android phone.. They know how to search the market, find the free stuff, and buy "some" of the paid apps.. Just to give you an insight on this Android user (me), let me tell you my thoughts on it.. The base phone came with a lot of useful things, and that took awhile to digest and decide what I needed and wanted to add.. As I have gone on, I have found many great free apps that have made their way to my phone.. and some of these had pay for upgrades that I have purchased.. I do like this model, as well as the "donate" model of doing business.. Is it because I am a cheap bastard who wants everything for nothing ?...
no it's because I am a smart bastard who doesn't want to pay .99 or 2.99 for a piece of junk that I will never use.
Here is the deal.. maybe I am not the "typical" Android user.. I know I am not the typical iPhone user.. all I know is that I am not a "collector" .. Yes I have a great phone, but I do not see any point in clogging it with junk "just because I can".. I am the game developers worst nightmare.. because I think before I purchase.. and my thoughts are.. will I really spend that much time on this game ?
.. what exactly do I need in a game for my phone ?
.. sadly for them, I have come to the realization that my phone priorities are communication.. In thinking about how I use my phone, I came to the conclusion that games are played occasionally as a time filler.. short periods of time, perhaps during lunch or while waiting in an airport.. I don't need or want a full on epic game with 3d graphics that takes days to complete.. if I want that, I'll do that at home on a game console or PC.. This doesn't mean that I don't want games that are fun, challenging, interesting, and nice looking on my phone.. I do.. It just means that it needs to meet my criteria of.. "will I use it".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180062</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1258722960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The least common denominator?  What would that be?</p><p>They all have GPS, touch screens (some have keyboards), 3G, accelerometers blah, blah, blah.  So it's not like writing an J2ME midlet and wondering how many buttons the user will have and whether you'll have 100K of RAM to run in.</p><p>Android's model is not to be a PC -- that PocketPC Phone Edition.  Android is all about moving data around, because that's what business Google is in. That's Google's killer advantage.  They're not a search engine company, they're a data management company.  It's all about having the information you need at your fingertips.</p><p>In an ideal world, you could tether your PC to your android phone.  And if Google has its way, that'll be standard.</p><p>What Google wants is for the carriers to be in the commodity bandwidth business. That's the reasoning behind Android and Chromium. With the iPhone kicking their smartphone ass, Google's the only game in town for the carriers, and eventually they'll be forced into that business, the way that so many software companies ended up embracing open source because they couldn't make a living at the old business model with a MS monopoly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The least common denominator ?
What would that be ? They all have GPS , touch screens ( some have keyboards ) , 3G , accelerometers blah , blah , blah .
So it 's not like writing an J2ME midlet and wondering how many buttons the user will have and whether you 'll have 100K of RAM to run in.Android 's model is not to be a PC -- that PocketPC Phone Edition .
Android is all about moving data around , because that 's what business Google is in .
That 's Google 's killer advantage .
They 're not a search engine company , they 're a data management company .
It 's all about having the information you need at your fingertips.In an ideal world , you could tether your PC to your android phone .
And if Google has its way , that 'll be standard.What Google wants is for the carriers to be in the commodity bandwidth business .
That 's the reasoning behind Android and Chromium .
With the iPhone kicking their smartphone ass , Google 's the only game in town for the carriers , and eventually they 'll be forced into that business , the way that so many software companies ended up embracing open source because they could n't make a living at the old business model with a MS monopoly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The least common denominator?
What would that be?They all have GPS, touch screens (some have keyboards), 3G, accelerometers blah, blah, blah.
So it's not like writing an J2ME midlet and wondering how many buttons the user will have and whether you'll have 100K of RAM to run in.Android's model is not to be a PC -- that PocketPC Phone Edition.
Android is all about moving data around, because that's what business Google is in.
That's Google's killer advantage.
They're not a search engine company, they're a data management company.
It's all about having the information you need at your fingertips.In an ideal world, you could tether your PC to your android phone.
And if Google has its way, that'll be standard.What Google wants is for the carriers to be in the commodity bandwidth business.
That's the reasoning behind Android and Chromium.
With the iPhone kicking their smartphone ass, Google's the only game in town for the carriers, and eventually they'll be forced into that business, the way that so many software companies ended up embracing open source because they couldn't make a living at the old business model with a MS monopoly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30194820</id>
	<title>Re:Some claim chocolate ice cream better then vani</title>
	<author>NeoStrider\_BZK</author>
	<datestamp>1258915740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*Some* is the magic word here. Too vague to be taken seriously...</p><p>move along...nothing to see here...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* Some * is the magic word here .
Too vague to be taken seriously...move along...nothing to see here.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*Some* is the magic word here.
Too vague to be taken seriously...move along...nothing to see here...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178160</id>
	<title>Its a dying market anyways</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258714620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lets be real. The app market is going have an adjustment just like the net did during the dot com days. Apps are frivolous time wasters unless they are actually useful. Apps that tell you the tube schedule..apps that tell you what restaurants are available in your location...these apps makes sense..I'll toured the iPhone and Android's marketplace and really, who gives 2 shits about 99\% of the apps there?<br>This market will adjust. Apps will b value added to platforms and will cost nothing just like the Android phone (HTC Dream) that Rogers offers in Canada. Like the phone? Buy it, Search for an App...like it? Download it...99.9\% of apps from the maket place are free apps in Canada. The gold rush will end...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets be real .
The app market is going have an adjustment just like the net did during the dot com days .
Apps are frivolous time wasters unless they are actually useful .
Apps that tell you the tube schedule..apps that tell you what restaurants are available in your location...these apps makes sense..I 'll toured the iPhone and Android 's marketplace and really , who gives 2 shits about 99 \ % of the apps there ? This market will adjust .
Apps will b value added to platforms and will cost nothing just like the Android phone ( HTC Dream ) that Rogers offers in Canada .
Like the phone ?
Buy it , Search for an App...like it ?
Download it...99.9 \ % of apps from the maket place are free apps in Canada .
The gold rush will end.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets be real.
The app market is going have an adjustment just like the net did during the dot com days.
Apps are frivolous time wasters unless they are actually useful.
Apps that tell you the tube schedule..apps that tell you what restaurants are available in your location...these apps makes sense..I'll toured the iPhone and Android's marketplace and really, who gives 2 shits about 99\% of the apps there?This market will adjust.
Apps will b value added to platforms and will cost nothing just like the Android phone (HTC Dream) that Rogers offers in Canada.
Like the phone?
Buy it, Search for an App...like it?
Download it...99.9\% of apps from the maket place are free apps in Canada.
The gold rush will end...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30181662</id>
	<title>Not so sure...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258735560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this is simply a snap decision. I think that google has a significantly longer view than many other companies, and I think that they are building a wireless inventory that is VERY important to them.  Actually, I think that google will spend time and money on both of these things. I would argue that Google sees mobile, as a whole, to be the most important thing going for them.  But, unlike apple, they see this as a decades long issue.  This is the future of the net, and they are moving methodically. We'll know in a while...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is simply a snap decision .
I think that google has a significantly longer view than many other companies , and I think that they are building a wireless inventory that is VERY important to them .
Actually , I think that google will spend time and money on both of these things .
I would argue that Google sees mobile , as a whole , to be the most important thing going for them .
But , unlike apple , they see this as a decades long issue .
This is the future of the net , and they are moving methodically .
We 'll know in a while.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is simply a snap decision.
I think that google has a significantly longer view than many other companies, and I think that they are building a wireless inventory that is VERY important to them.
Actually, I think that google will spend time and money on both of these things.
I would argue that Google sees mobile, as a whole, to be the most important thing going for them.
But, unlike apple, they see this as a decades long issue.
This is the future of the net, and they are moving methodically.
We'll know in a while...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180458</id>
	<title>I know when I'll buy apps for my Droid</title>
	<author>eamonman</author>
	<datestamp>1258725360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And that is when I start seeing those cheap Chinese knockoff cases, screen protectors, and other dodads at swap meets.  That means that whole huge supply force over in China has decided that there's enough demand here to make those items and ship them over here. If China doesn't care about the phone, then I doubt enough publishers have either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And that is when I start seeing those cheap Chinese knockoff cases , screen protectors , and other dodads at swap meets .
That means that whole huge supply force over in China has decided that there 's enough demand here to make those items and ship them over here .
If China does n't care about the phone , then I doubt enough publishers have either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that is when I start seeing those cheap Chinese knockoff cases, screen protectors, and other dodads at swap meets.
That means that whole huge supply force over in China has decided that there's enough demand here to make those items and ship them over here.
If China doesn't care about the phone, then I doubt enough publishers have either.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177204</id>
	<title>It's obvious why if you know an iPhone user</title>
	<author>jeffc128ca</author>
	<datestamp>1258711500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live with an iPhone user and many of her friends.  It's obvious why one would make more developing on that platform, because Apple users are willing to fork over more money for the Apple logo as well as a "simpler" type of user that doesn't want to be confused.  I've seen people pay five bucks for an app that to randomly pick and display one of a handfull fo sayings.  Once one friend got it they all had to have it.  What did that take, 5 minutes for some guy to program.  Apple customers are willing to pay extra for a limited device if it doesn't cause problems.  I am interested in an Android phone because I can work with it and build my own apps, no approval needed.  I am also less willing to fork over dollars for apps.</p><p>So an app developer has a choice of platforms; a group that pays more money for less complicated apps, or a group that is less willing to pay and wants more complex and configurable apps.  The iPhones cult status gives developers more reasons to program on that platform when profits are involved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live with an iPhone user and many of her friends .
It 's obvious why one would make more developing on that platform , because Apple users are willing to fork over more money for the Apple logo as well as a " simpler " type of user that does n't want to be confused .
I 've seen people pay five bucks for an app that to randomly pick and display one of a handfull fo sayings .
Once one friend got it they all had to have it .
What did that take , 5 minutes for some guy to program .
Apple customers are willing to pay extra for a limited device if it does n't cause problems .
I am interested in an Android phone because I can work with it and build my own apps , no approval needed .
I am also less willing to fork over dollars for apps.So an app developer has a choice of platforms ; a group that pays more money for less complicated apps , or a group that is less willing to pay and wants more complex and configurable apps .
The iPhones cult status gives developers more reasons to program on that platform when profits are involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live with an iPhone user and many of her friends.
It's obvious why one would make more developing on that platform, because Apple users are willing to fork over more money for the Apple logo as well as a "simpler" type of user that doesn't want to be confused.
I've seen people pay five bucks for an app that to randomly pick and display one of a handfull fo sayings.
Once one friend got it they all had to have it.
What did that take, 5 minutes for some guy to program.
Apple customers are willing to pay extra for a limited device if it doesn't cause problems.
I am interested in an Android phone because I can work with it and build my own apps, no approval needed.
I am also less willing to fork over dollars for apps.So an app developer has a choice of platforms; a group that pays more money for less complicated apps, or a group that is less willing to pay and wants more complex and configurable apps.
The iPhones cult status gives developers more reasons to program on that platform when profits are involved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30179208</id>
	<title>1st Iteration Android store is rubbish</title>
	<author>EnglishTim</author>
	<datestamp>1258719000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The original app store for the Android is pretty poor. Apparently it's improved with Android 2.0, but the one that came on my HTC hero doesn't feature screenshots, for example. The search is extremely limited and all you get to see of the app is the icon and a small paragraph of text. Sometimes you can find out a little more from the user comments, but it's not much to make a decision from.</p><p>Having said that, if you don't like an app you can uninstall it and get a refund with 24 hours.</p><p>My guess is that with a better featured store (screenshots, a better search etc) the android store will start to become profitable as more and more handsets appear. Next year I imagine you'll get Android handsets for less than &pound;100 on Pay-As-You-Go contracts. Once handsets at that kind of price start appearing, the user base will *explode*. Also, I imagine sometime next year you'll be able to make payments directly through your phone bill rather than needing a google checkout account. Even though the average user won't spend as much on the store as the average iPhone user would (as they won't have as much money) the sheer volume of purchases will start to make a difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The original app store for the Android is pretty poor .
Apparently it 's improved with Android 2.0 , but the one that came on my HTC hero does n't feature screenshots , for example .
The search is extremely limited and all you get to see of the app is the icon and a small paragraph of text .
Sometimes you can find out a little more from the user comments , but it 's not much to make a decision from.Having said that , if you do n't like an app you can uninstall it and get a refund with 24 hours.My guess is that with a better featured store ( screenshots , a better search etc ) the android store will start to become profitable as more and more handsets appear .
Next year I imagine you 'll get Android handsets for less than   100 on Pay-As-You-Go contracts .
Once handsets at that kind of price start appearing , the user base will * explode * .
Also , I imagine sometime next year you 'll be able to make payments directly through your phone bill rather than needing a google checkout account .
Even though the average user wo n't spend as much on the store as the average iPhone user would ( as they wo n't have as much money ) the sheer volume of purchases will start to make a difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The original app store for the Android is pretty poor.
Apparently it's improved with Android 2.0, but the one that came on my HTC hero doesn't feature screenshots, for example.
The search is extremely limited and all you get to see of the app is the icon and a small paragraph of text.
Sometimes you can find out a little more from the user comments, but it's not much to make a decision from.Having said that, if you don't like an app you can uninstall it and get a refund with 24 hours.My guess is that with a better featured store (screenshots, a better search etc) the android store will start to become profitable as more and more handsets appear.
Next year I imagine you'll get Android handsets for less than £100 on Pay-As-You-Go contracts.
Once handsets at that kind of price start appearing, the user base will *explode*.
Also, I imagine sometime next year you'll be able to make payments directly through your phone bill rather than needing a google checkout account.
Even though the average user won't spend as much on the store as the average iPhone user would (as they won't have as much money) the sheer volume of purchases will start to make a difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177590</id>
	<title>As a consumer...</title>
	<author>Panaflex</author>
	<datestamp>1258712700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, I think the approval process is decent - at least as a consumer.  I get age-appropriate ratings (sort of), cheap apps, and generally don't have many issues with lockup and the like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I think the approval process is decent - at least as a consumer .
I get age-appropriate ratings ( sort of ) , cheap apps , and generally do n't have many issues with lockup and the like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I think the approval process is decent - at least as a consumer.
I get age-appropriate ratings (sort of), cheap apps, and generally don't have many issues with lockup and the like.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180512</id>
	<title>Is this FOX News?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258725660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Some claim that..."?  Who?  You can always find someone to claim anything you want.  It's a shallow rhetorical trick often employed by FOX News, but I am shocked! SHOCKED! to witness such a lack of editorial rigor on the pages of the esteemed Slashdot - the very paragon of journalistic integrity.  Rue the day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Some claim that... " ?
Who ? You can always find someone to claim anything you want .
It 's a shallow rhetorical trick often employed by FOX News , but I am shocked !
SHOCKED ! to witness such a lack of editorial rigor on the pages of the esteemed Slashdot - the very paragon of journalistic integrity .
Rue the day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Some claim that..."?
Who?  You can always find someone to claim anything you want.
It's a shallow rhetorical trick often employed by FOX News, but I am shocked!
SHOCKED! to witness such a lack of editorial rigor on the pages of the esteemed Slashdot - the very paragon of journalistic integrity.
Rue the day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30176616</id>
	<title>Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258709580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It seems that those in it for money and distribution will opt for iPhone, and those in it for neither will opt for Android.</i></p><p>FTFY. But seriously, did these developers make ANY effort to size the market on each platform before making their decision?</p><p>I can totally understand why some developers have problems the iphone approval requirements. But its positively daft to make a business decision on only that basis and then be surprised later to discover that your prospective customers simply do not care. Surprise! They prefer a unified, tightly controlled, non-sucky smartphone experience even at the expense of some interesting apps.</p><p>Personally I'd go a step further. I would give up EVERY SINGLE THIRD PARTY APP not to have to go back to the Treo that my iPhone replaced. Maybe Android has come a long way since then but for the first time I am actually happy with my phone and not motivated enough to find out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems that those in it for money and distribution will opt for iPhone , and those in it for neither will opt for Android.FTFY .
But seriously , did these developers make ANY effort to size the market on each platform before making their decision ? I can totally understand why some developers have problems the iphone approval requirements .
But its positively daft to make a business decision on only that basis and then be surprised later to discover that your prospective customers simply do not care .
Surprise ! They prefer a unified , tightly controlled , non-sucky smartphone experience even at the expense of some interesting apps.Personally I 'd go a step further .
I would give up EVERY SINGLE THIRD PARTY APP not to have to go back to the Treo that my iPhone replaced .
Maybe Android has come a long way since then but for the first time I am actually happy with my phone and not motivated enough to find out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems that those in it for money and distribution will opt for iPhone, and those in it for neither will opt for Android.FTFY.
But seriously, did these developers make ANY effort to size the market on each platform before making their decision?I can totally understand why some developers have problems the iphone approval requirements.
But its positively daft to make a business decision on only that basis and then be surprised later to discover that your prospective customers simply do not care.
Surprise! They prefer a unified, tightly controlled, non-sucky smartphone experience even at the expense of some interesting apps.Personally I'd go a step further.
I would give up EVERY SINGLE THIRD PARTY APP not to have to go back to the Treo that my iPhone replaced.
Maybe Android has come a long way since then but for the first time I am actually happy with my phone and not motivated enough to find out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178438</id>
	<title>Re:Market share</title>
	<author>rwa2</author>
	<datestamp>1258715640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>that period about 8 years ago when there was so much excitement about Linux displacing Windows, completely ignoring Windows' insurmountable lock-in factor.</p></div><p>Ha ha, that's funny because in the corporate world not even Microsoft has been able to overcome Windows' insurmountable lock-in factor.  The past two big companies I've worked for are<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/still/ stuck with WinXP and IE6, because... well...  Vista.  But also because all of their on-line training and a lot of the timecard and expense report crap they've paid for only works "properly" under IE6.</p><p>As someone who likes computers, I'm just glad there really haven't been any complete losers (well, maybe except SCO).  The competition lately has been great, and I like playing with Linux, Windows, and Macs, these new PDA/smartphone OSes, and whatever else seems unique and interesting.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>that period about 8 years ago when there was so much excitement about Linux displacing Windows , completely ignoring Windows ' insurmountable lock-in factor.Ha ha , that 's funny because in the corporate world not even Microsoft has been able to overcome Windows ' insurmountable lock-in factor .
The past two big companies I 've worked for are /still/ stuck with WinXP and IE6 , because... well... Vista .
But also because all of their on-line training and a lot of the timecard and expense report crap they 've paid for only works " properly " under IE6.As someone who likes computers , I 'm just glad there really have n't been any complete losers ( well , maybe except SCO ) .
The competition lately has been great , and I like playing with Linux , Windows , and Macs , these new PDA/smartphone OSes , and whatever else seems unique and interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that period about 8 years ago when there was so much excitement about Linux displacing Windows, completely ignoring Windows' insurmountable lock-in factor.Ha ha, that's funny because in the corporate world not even Microsoft has been able to overcome Windows' insurmountable lock-in factor.
The past two big companies I've worked for are /still/ stuck with WinXP and IE6, because... well...  Vista.
But also because all of their on-line training and a lot of the timecard and expense report crap they've paid for only works "properly" under IE6.As someone who likes computers, I'm just glad there really haven't been any complete losers (well, maybe except SCO).
The competition lately has been great, and I like playing with Linux, Windows, and Macs, these new PDA/smartphone OSes, and whatever else seems unique and interesting.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30179534</id>
	<title>Re:Android without a phone plan?</title>
	<author>kostmo</author>
	<datestamp>1258720320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>iPhone is to Android phone as iPod Touch is to what?</p></div><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC\_Tattoo" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">HTC Tattoo</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>iPhone is to Android phone as iPod Touch is to what ?
HTC Tattoo [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iPhone is to Android phone as iPod Touch is to what?
HTC Tattoo [wikipedia.org]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178156</id>
	<title>Phone apps are the fail anyway</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1258714620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, gaming on phones is and probably always will be shit and it's hard to compete with thousands of shitty apps flooding either app store.
<br> <br>
I would really like to develop an Android app but I feel I might as well do it for free than think I will get money. I'd be better off developing a decent internet app that can be used via a PC or phone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , gaming on phones is and probably always will be shit and it 's hard to compete with thousands of shitty apps flooding either app store .
I would really like to develop an Android app but I feel I might as well do it for free than think I will get money .
I 'd be better off developing a decent internet app that can be used via a PC or phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, gaming on phones is and probably always will be shit and it's hard to compete with thousands of shitty apps flooding either app store.
I would really like to develop an Android app but I feel I might as well do it for free than think I will get money.
I'd be better off developing a decent internet app that can be used via a PC or phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180588</id>
	<title>Not surprising</title>
	<author>cecom</author>
	<datestamp>1258726020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a G1 user and while I am generally quite happy with my phone, there is no doubt in in my mind that objectively the applications are still of lower quality compared to the iPhone. The iPhone's approval process guarantees at least some minimal quality - developers have to test their applications at least a little before submitting them.</p><p>On my Android phone I get dozens of application updates every week. It is annoying as hell. Don't these people test their applications before they publish them? Don't they plan at least a little ahead? Just because you can publish anything anytime on the Android Market, doesn't mean that you have to.</p><p>As a user, it feels like there is more "crap" on Android, and as a result I am less inclined to pay for the expensive apps; I expect stuff for free. The iPhone feels more polished and more "commercial" to me. That said, I have purchased several Android applications and they are quite good. I hope that as the market grows it will balance itself out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a G1 user and while I am generally quite happy with my phone , there is no doubt in in my mind that objectively the applications are still of lower quality compared to the iPhone .
The iPhone 's approval process guarantees at least some minimal quality - developers have to test their applications at least a little before submitting them.On my Android phone I get dozens of application updates every week .
It is annoying as hell .
Do n't these people test their applications before they publish them ?
Do n't they plan at least a little ahead ?
Just because you can publish anything anytime on the Android Market , does n't mean that you have to.As a user , it feels like there is more " crap " on Android , and as a result I am less inclined to pay for the expensive apps ; I expect stuff for free .
The iPhone feels more polished and more " commercial " to me .
That said , I have purchased several Android applications and they are quite good .
I hope that as the market grows it will balance itself out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a G1 user and while I am generally quite happy with my phone, there is no doubt in in my mind that objectively the applications are still of lower quality compared to the iPhone.
The iPhone's approval process guarantees at least some minimal quality - developers have to test their applications at least a little before submitting them.On my Android phone I get dozens of application updates every week.
It is annoying as hell.
Don't these people test their applications before they publish them?
Don't they plan at least a little ahead?
Just because you can publish anything anytime on the Android Market, doesn't mean that you have to.As a user, it feels like there is more "crap" on Android, and as a result I am less inclined to pay for the expensive apps; I expect stuff for free.
The iPhone feels more polished and more "commercial" to me.
That said, I have purchased several Android applications and they are quite good.
I hope that as the market grows it will balance itself out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30181678</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>adamchou</author>
	<datestamp>1258735740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I believe in the face of piracy like this, the developers will eventually innovate to figure out ways to generate additional streams of revenue that don't come from application sales. Perhaps ad revenue, or pulling additional features from a server side request, etc. Unfortunately for me, I don't know anything about the android platform so I'm not even certain that this is possible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe in the face of piracy like this , the developers will eventually innovate to figure out ways to generate additional streams of revenue that do n't come from application sales .
Perhaps ad revenue , or pulling additional features from a server side request , etc .
Unfortunately for me , I do n't know anything about the android platform so I 'm not even certain that this is possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe in the face of piracy like this, the developers will eventually innovate to figure out ways to generate additional streams of revenue that don't come from application sales.
Perhaps ad revenue, or pulling additional features from a server side request, etc.
Unfortunately for me, I don't know anything about the android platform so I'm not even certain that this is possible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177432</id>
	<title>Re:Market share</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1258712160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I have to say, I don't get Android. What's the appeal? </i> <br> <br>
It's free (as in cost), an established standard, and backed by a company that's very likely still going to be around in a few years.  These are all reasons to use it if you're producing mobile phones.  <br> <br>
The market isn't overcrowded.  iPhone has something like a 2.5\% market share.  At least some of those remaining 97.5\% are going to be upgrading to a smartphone.  That's quite a hefty chunk of the market to carve up and Apple doesn't offer a lot of choice.  Nor will there be a lot of choice for an upgrade should you want to keep the existing apps.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to say , I do n't get Android .
What 's the appeal ?
It 's free ( as in cost ) , an established standard , and backed by a company that 's very likely still going to be around in a few years .
These are all reasons to use it if you 're producing mobile phones .
The market is n't overcrowded .
iPhone has something like a 2.5 \ % market share .
At least some of those remaining 97.5 \ % are going to be upgrading to a smartphone .
That 's quite a hefty chunk of the market to carve up and Apple does n't offer a lot of choice .
Nor will there be a lot of choice for an upgrade should you want to keep the existing apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to say, I don't get Android.
What's the appeal?
It's free (as in cost), an established standard, and backed by a company that's very likely still going to be around in a few years.
These are all reasons to use it if you're producing mobile phones.
The market isn't overcrowded.
iPhone has something like a 2.5\% market share.
At least some of those remaining 97.5\% are going to be upgrading to a smartphone.
That's quite a hefty chunk of the market to carve up and Apple doesn't offer a lot of choice.
Nor will there be a lot of choice for an upgrade should you want to keep the existing apps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177114</id>
	<title>Re:Why not both?</title>
	<author>Dan East</author>
	<datestamp>1258711140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good idea!  Hmm, for some reason javac keeps giving errors when I try feeding it the Objective C code from my iPhone game engine. Boy that's weird...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good idea !
Hmm , for some reason javac keeps giving errors when I try feeding it the Objective C code from my iPhone game engine .
Boy that 's weird.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good idea!
Hmm, for some reason javac keeps giving errors when I try feeding it the Objective C code from my iPhone game engine.
Boy that's weird...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177310</id>
	<title>Hopefully Palm will get this right</title>
	<author>El Royo</author>
	<datestamp>1258711800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hopefully Palm will get this one right as their App Catalog evolves. Palm is trying to walk a fine line by supporting both self-signed apps outside the App Catalog and official, reviewed apps inside the catalog. It will be interesting to see if the developers begin looking at webOS as a viable distribution platform. I think the benefit is that, like the iPhone, webOS customers (Pre &amp; Pixi) will be willing to pay for apps. The downside, of course, is that the self-signed apps will have to develop their own payment platform. The <a href="http://webos-internals.org/" title="webos-internals.org">WebOS Internals</a> [webos-internals.org] folks have done a fantastic job of developing a feed system for homebrew applications and patches for webOS. Ill have an interview with Rod Whitby, founder of WebOS Internals on my blog later this weekend: <a href="http://pre101.com/" title="pre101.com">http://pre101.com/</a> [pre101.com] <br>
<br>
Roy</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hopefully Palm will get this one right as their App Catalog evolves .
Palm is trying to walk a fine line by supporting both self-signed apps outside the App Catalog and official , reviewed apps inside the catalog .
It will be interesting to see if the developers begin looking at webOS as a viable distribution platform .
I think the benefit is that , like the iPhone , webOS customers ( Pre &amp; Pixi ) will be willing to pay for apps .
The downside , of course , is that the self-signed apps will have to develop their own payment platform .
The WebOS Internals [ webos-internals.org ] folks have done a fantastic job of developing a feed system for homebrew applications and patches for webOS .
Ill have an interview with Rod Whitby , founder of WebOS Internals on my blog later this weekend : http : //pre101.com/ [ pre101.com ] Roy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully Palm will get this one right as their App Catalog evolves.
Palm is trying to walk a fine line by supporting both self-signed apps outside the App Catalog and official, reviewed apps inside the catalog.
It will be interesting to see if the developers begin looking at webOS as a viable distribution platform.
I think the benefit is that, like the iPhone, webOS customers (Pre &amp; Pixi) will be willing to pay for apps.
The downside, of course, is that the self-signed apps will have to develop their own payment platform.
The WebOS Internals [webos-internals.org] folks have done a fantastic job of developing a feed system for homebrew applications and patches for webOS.
Ill have an interview with Rod Whitby, founder of WebOS Internals on my blog later this weekend: http://pre101.com/ [pre101.com] 

Roy</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177446</id>
	<title>Re:Market share</title>
	<author>GIL\_Dude</author>
	<datestamp>1258712220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can only speak for myself, but I just got a Motorola Droid and it was specifically because it was Android and did not presume to tell me what software I can run on it. I am a Google Voice user and wanted the GV app, but also just plain don't care to have a hand held computer sold to me that I can't install whatever I want on it (and yes, I know about jailbreaking and cydia but don't feel I should NEED to do that). If it wasn't for that, I probably would have gotten an iPhone 3GS or whatever they are when they came out. (BTW, I really like the Motorola Droid. I've only had it for 11 days now but so far it is very solid and works very well with Google Voice).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can only speak for myself , but I just got a Motorola Droid and it was specifically because it was Android and did not presume to tell me what software I can run on it .
I am a Google Voice user and wanted the GV app , but also just plain do n't care to have a hand held computer sold to me that I ca n't install whatever I want on it ( and yes , I know about jailbreaking and cydia but do n't feel I should NEED to do that ) .
If it was n't for that , I probably would have gotten an iPhone 3GS or whatever they are when they came out .
( BTW , I really like the Motorola Droid .
I 've only had it for 11 days now but so far it is very solid and works very well with Google Voice ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can only speak for myself, but I just got a Motorola Droid and it was specifically because it was Android and did not presume to tell me what software I can run on it.
I am a Google Voice user and wanted the GV app, but also just plain don't care to have a hand held computer sold to me that I can't install whatever I want on it (and yes, I know about jailbreaking and cydia but don't feel I should NEED to do that).
If it wasn't for that, I probably would have gotten an iPhone 3GS or whatever they are when they came out.
(BTW, I really like the Motorola Droid.
I've only had it for 11 days now but so far it is very solid and works very well with Google Voice).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30182780</id>
	<title>Re:It would be nice if I could buy something</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1258795500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm not surprised: on the Canadian app store you can't actually buy anything. At all. As in "there's no way for them to take your money, so all you can pick a free apps</p></div></blockquote><p>

This is due to your Telco, not Android. We have the same thing in Australia as Android phones on one of our three telco's (Optus) cannot purchase paid apps where as android users on the other two telco's can (Vodaphone/Hutchinson and Telstra).<br> <br>

So you need to blame Canada's telco's.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not surprised : on the Canadian app store you ca n't actually buy anything .
At all .
As in " there 's no way for them to take your money , so all you can pick a free apps This is due to your Telco , not Android .
We have the same thing in Australia as Android phones on one of our three telco 's ( Optus ) can not purchase paid apps where as android users on the other two telco 's can ( Vodaphone/Hutchinson and Telstra ) .
So you need to blame Canada 's telco 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not surprised: on the Canadian app store you can't actually buy anything.
At all.
As in "there's no way for them to take your money, so all you can pick a free apps

This is due to your Telco, not Android.
We have the same thing in Australia as Android phones on one of our three telco's (Optus) cannot purchase paid apps where as android users on the other two telco's can (Vodaphone/Hutchinson and Telstra).
So you need to blame Canada's telco's.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180938</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258728660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know if it's really true that "Information wants to be free", but people want their software to be. As a developer who'd like to make big bucks developing for the Android, the fact that so many apps on the Android store are free-to-cheap is offputting, piracy or no.</p><p>But as someone whose income has been crunched by the twin expectations that all software not from Microsoft should be free, or at least that I should be able to make a living getting paid Bangalore wages while living in the USA, I can at least console myself that Android software is something I can still afford. Unlike, say, groceries.</p><p>I haven't given up on the Android platform, but I'm afraid that the only way I can see to make a living at it is to do development on contract to business users and try and convince them that not only is a Banglalore salary below US Minimum Wage, but I'm really much more productive when I haven't had to hitch-hike into work from the homeless shelter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if it 's really true that " Information wants to be free " , but people want their software to be .
As a developer who 'd like to make big bucks developing for the Android , the fact that so many apps on the Android store are free-to-cheap is offputting , piracy or no.But as someone whose income has been crunched by the twin expectations that all software not from Microsoft should be free , or at least that I should be able to make a living getting paid Bangalore wages while living in the USA , I can at least console myself that Android software is something I can still afford .
Unlike , say , groceries.I have n't given up on the Android platform , but I 'm afraid that the only way I can see to make a living at it is to do development on contract to business users and try and convince them that not only is a Banglalore salary below US Minimum Wage , but I 'm really much more productive when I have n't had to hitch-hike into work from the homeless shelter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if it's really true that "Information wants to be free", but people want their software to be.
As a developer who'd like to make big bucks developing for the Android, the fact that so many apps on the Android store are free-to-cheap is offputting, piracy or no.But as someone whose income has been crunched by the twin expectations that all software not from Microsoft should be free, or at least that I should be able to make a living getting paid Bangalore wages while living in the USA, I can at least console myself that Android software is something I can still afford.
Unlike, say, groceries.I haven't given up on the Android platform, but I'm afraid that the only way I can see to make a living at it is to do development on contract to business users and try and convince them that not only is a Banglalore salary below US Minimum Wage, but I'm really much more productive when I haven't had to hitch-hike into work from the homeless shelter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30200680</id>
	<title>Games suck on tiny screens</title>
	<author>LinuxLuver</author>
	<datestamp>1258980420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bought several relative expensive games from the Apple Store for my iPod Touch: Duke Nukem Forever, Wolfenstein 3D. SimCity, Doom Resurrection and several others. I find they just aren't any fun on the tiny 3.5" screen. The touch controls are awkward and lack precision. Pinching and spreading the screen rapidly gives my hands cramps. In short.....I barely last 15 minutes and it all becomes too hard. I haven't touched them for months now.

Meanwhile, iTunes shackling me to one PC on the planet for getting music and video and podcasts on and off my iPod Touch became ever more annoying. I can't even delete a file without trekking home the ONE PC and using iTunes to delete it. When it save pics from web pages, the quality is crap by default. One day. after an iTunes update, iTunes crapped itself and decided my $100+ worth of music didn't need to be on my iPod after all......or in my library...and it wiped all of it out. No problem for the songs I'd ripped from my CDs......but the ones I'd paid for from the iTunes store were gone....and the store told me to buy them again or cancel.

That experience (and many others) was enough to convince me I did not want to 'upgrade' to an iPhone. The iPod Touch was awesome.....but too much about the vendor and not enough about what I want.

So I bought an HTC Magic (MyTouch3G in the US) android phone. I still won't be buying any games, but I can move any file I want on or off at any time and all files are available to all apps. I can run an FTP server on my phone! (SwiFTP) or an FTP client (AndFTP).....or both at the same time. Because Android multi-tasks. I regularly have 5 - 10 apps running at the same time.....streaming Internet radio over wifi while tweeting via Twidroid and someone is FTPing a file up to my phone from the lan. Estrongs File Manager lets me access windows / samba shares on the LAN and freely copy files to and from every PC in the house.

If you want to use your phone and your files the way YOU want to, then Apple simply isn't an option. With nealry 20,000 apps now on Android (Up from 10,000 in July).....there is a lot of choice there in most app areas.

There will be more.

I've bought over 80 android apps since mid-October. No games, though......for the reasons given above.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought several relative expensive games from the Apple Store for my iPod Touch : Duke Nukem Forever , Wolfenstein 3D .
SimCity , Doom Resurrection and several others .
I find they just are n't any fun on the tiny 3.5 " screen .
The touch controls are awkward and lack precision .
Pinching and spreading the screen rapidly gives my hands cramps .
In short.....I barely last 15 minutes and it all becomes too hard .
I have n't touched them for months now .
Meanwhile , iTunes shackling me to one PC on the planet for getting music and video and podcasts on and off my iPod Touch became ever more annoying .
I ca n't even delete a file without trekking home the ONE PC and using iTunes to delete it .
When it save pics from web pages , the quality is crap by default .
One day .
after an iTunes update , iTunes crapped itself and decided my $ 100 + worth of music did n't need to be on my iPod after all......or in my library...and it wiped all of it out .
No problem for the songs I 'd ripped from my CDs......but the ones I 'd paid for from the iTunes store were gone....and the store told me to buy them again or cancel .
That experience ( and many others ) was enough to convince me I did not want to 'upgrade ' to an iPhone .
The iPod Touch was awesome.....but too much about the vendor and not enough about what I want .
So I bought an HTC Magic ( MyTouch3G in the US ) android phone .
I still wo n't be buying any games , but I can move any file I want on or off at any time and all files are available to all apps .
I can run an FTP server on my phone !
( SwiFTP ) or an FTP client ( AndFTP ) .....or both at the same time .
Because Android multi-tasks .
I regularly have 5 - 10 apps running at the same time.....streaming Internet radio over wifi while tweeting via Twidroid and someone is FTPing a file up to my phone from the lan .
Estrongs File Manager lets me access windows / samba shares on the LAN and freely copy files to and from every PC in the house .
If you want to use your phone and your files the way YOU want to , then Apple simply is n't an option .
With nealry 20,000 apps now on Android ( Up from 10,000 in July ) .....there is a lot of choice there in most app areas .
There will be more .
I 've bought over 80 android apps since mid-October .
No games , though......for the reasons given above .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought several relative expensive games from the Apple Store for my iPod Touch: Duke Nukem Forever, Wolfenstein 3D.
SimCity, Doom Resurrection and several others.
I find they just aren't any fun on the tiny 3.5" screen.
The touch controls are awkward and lack precision.
Pinching and spreading the screen rapidly gives my hands cramps.
In short.....I barely last 15 minutes and it all becomes too hard.
I haven't touched them for months now.
Meanwhile, iTunes shackling me to one PC on the planet for getting music and video and podcasts on and off my iPod Touch became ever more annoying.
I can't even delete a file without trekking home the ONE PC and using iTunes to delete it.
When it save pics from web pages, the quality is crap by default.
One day.
after an iTunes update, iTunes crapped itself and decided my $100+ worth of music didn't need to be on my iPod after all......or in my library...and it wiped all of it out.
No problem for the songs I'd ripped from my CDs......but the ones I'd paid for from the iTunes store were gone....and the store told me to buy them again or cancel.
That experience (and many others) was enough to convince me I did not want to 'upgrade' to an iPhone.
The iPod Touch was awesome.....but too much about the vendor and not enough about what I want.
So I bought an HTC Magic (MyTouch3G in the US) android phone.
I still won't be buying any games, but I can move any file I want on or off at any time and all files are available to all apps.
I can run an FTP server on my phone!
(SwiFTP) or an FTP client (AndFTP).....or both at the same time.
Because Android multi-tasks.
I regularly have 5 - 10 apps running at the same time.....streaming Internet radio over wifi while tweeting via Twidroid and someone is FTPing a file up to my phone from the lan.
Estrongs File Manager lets me access windows / samba shares on the LAN and freely copy files to and from every PC in the house.
If you want to use your phone and your files the way YOU want to, then Apple simply isn't an option.
With nealry 20,000 apps now on Android (Up from 10,000 in July).....there is a lot of choice there in most app areas.
There will be more.
I've bought over 80 android apps since mid-October.
No games, though......for the reasons given above.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30179102</id>
	<title>The real reason is the Android market is tiny</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1258718400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It just is. The only people demanding Android phones are right here, on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p><p>Symbian is 50\% of the market, and most of that is Nokia (e.g. <a href="http://store.ovi.com./" title="store.ovi.com">http://store.ovi.com./</a> [store.ovi.com]</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone</a> [wikipedia.org]<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It just is .
The only people demanding Android phones are right here , on /.Symbian is 50 \ % of the market , and most of that is Nokia ( e.g .
http : //store.ovi.com./ [ store.ovi.com ] http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone [ wikipedia.org ]  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>It just is.
The only people demanding Android phones are right here, on /.Symbian is 50\% of the market, and most of that is Nokia (e.g.
http://store.ovi.com./ [store.ovi.com]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone [wikipedia.org]
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177044</id>
	<title>Re:Market share</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1258710900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's one obvious reason. Another is the huge trendiness of the iPhone. And let's not forget all those "there's an ap for that" commercials.</p><p>I have to say, I don't get Android. What's the appeal? Why does anybody think it can make headway in an already-overcrowded mobile OS market? Just because it's Open Source? If so, it's the Linux Desktop Uprising all over again. You know, that period about 8 years ago when there was so much excitement about Linux displacing Windows, completely ignoring Windows' insurmountable lock-in factor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's one obvious reason .
Another is the huge trendiness of the iPhone .
And let 's not forget all those " there 's an ap for that " commercials.I have to say , I do n't get Android .
What 's the appeal ?
Why does anybody think it can make headway in an already-overcrowded mobile OS market ?
Just because it 's Open Source ?
If so , it 's the Linux Desktop Uprising all over again .
You know , that period about 8 years ago when there was so much excitement about Linux displacing Windows , completely ignoring Windows ' insurmountable lock-in factor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's one obvious reason.
Another is the huge trendiness of the iPhone.
And let's not forget all those "there's an ap for that" commercials.I have to say, I don't get Android.
What's the appeal?
Why does anybody think it can make headway in an already-overcrowded mobile OS market?
Just because it's Open Source?
If so, it's the Linux Desktop Uprising all over again.
You know, that period about 8 years ago when there was so much excitement about Linux displacing Windows, completely ignoring Windows' insurmountable lock-in factor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177562</id>
	<title>Re:Market share</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1258712580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, that's basically the appeal. An appeal that only applies to geeks and like minded people, but that's basically the appeal. It's not "mainstream". It's not sleek, not trendy, not fancy or stylish, that's not the angle. If you want to make it stylish and trendy, market it under the aspect of ever increasing vendor lock-in and telcos that want to fetter you with endless contracts, and that this is the last bastion of freedom in telcoland. The amount of people who feel more and more under surveillance is increasing, and maybe a suitable market angle would be to sell the Android as the way to display that you don't want to be part of the surveillance crowd.</p><p>Before you answer, yes, I know it's simply marketing and has no real meaning. It's what style and fancyness is for the iPhone: A sales pitch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , that 's basically the appeal .
An appeal that only applies to geeks and like minded people , but that 's basically the appeal .
It 's not " mainstream " .
It 's not sleek , not trendy , not fancy or stylish , that 's not the angle .
If you want to make it stylish and trendy , market it under the aspect of ever increasing vendor lock-in and telcos that want to fetter you with endless contracts , and that this is the last bastion of freedom in telcoland .
The amount of people who feel more and more under surveillance is increasing , and maybe a suitable market angle would be to sell the Android as the way to display that you do n't want to be part of the surveillance crowd.Before you answer , yes , I know it 's simply marketing and has no real meaning .
It 's what style and fancyness is for the iPhone : A sales pitch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, that's basically the appeal.
An appeal that only applies to geeks and like minded people, but that's basically the appeal.
It's not "mainstream".
It's not sleek, not trendy, not fancy or stylish, that's not the angle.
If you want to make it stylish and trendy, market it under the aspect of ever increasing vendor lock-in and telcos that want to fetter you with endless contracts, and that this is the last bastion of freedom in telcoland.
The amount of people who feel more and more under surveillance is increasing, and maybe a suitable market angle would be to sell the Android as the way to display that you don't want to be part of the surveillance crowd.Before you answer, yes, I know it's simply marketing and has no real meaning.
It's what style and fancyness is for the iPhone: A sales pitch.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177020</id>
	<title>Show me the apps!</title>
	<author>idrumgood</author>
	<datestamp>1258710780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One of my biggest beefs with the Android Market is that I can't browse the apps without an Android phone. I can see a very limited selection on the Market website, but to see all my options, I need an Android device (which I don't have).

iPhone has iTunes and you can see every single option. Let me see what my options are and I'll be more likely to switch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of my biggest beefs with the Android Market is that I ca n't browse the apps without an Android phone .
I can see a very limited selection on the Market website , but to see all my options , I need an Android device ( which I do n't have ) .
iPhone has iTunes and you can see every single option .
Let me see what my options are and I 'll be more likely to switch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of my biggest beefs with the Android Market is that I can't browse the apps without an Android phone.
I can see a very limited selection on the Market website, but to see all my options, I need an Android device (which I don't have).
iPhone has iTunes and you can see every single option.
Let me see what my options are and I'll be more likely to switch.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177380</id>
	<title>It would be nice if I could buy something</title>
	<author>sarhjinian</author>
	<datestamp>1258712040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not surprised: on the Canadian app store you can't actually buy anything.  At all.  As in "there's no way for them to take your money, so all you can pick a free apps."  I wonder how many other countries are in this state.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not surprised : on the Canadian app store you ca n't actually buy anything .
At all .
As in " there 's no way for them to take your money , so all you can pick a free apps .
" I wonder how many other countries are in this state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not surprised: on the Canadian app store you can't actually buy anything.
At all.
As in "there's no way for them to take your money, so all you can pick a free apps.
"  I wonder how many other countries are in this state.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30182228</id>
	<title>anonymous coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258742460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as an android developer i have run into the occasional moron that says that my games should be free, but the vast majority of comments are helpful and positive.</p><p>** tip.  if you have a program or game to sell, dont charge<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.99 for it, go for 4.99.  you will get MANY more customers.  i did.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as an android developer i have run into the occasional moron that says that my games should be free , but the vast majority of comments are helpful and positive .
* * tip .
if you have a program or game to sell , dont charge .99 for it , go for 4.99. you will get MANY more customers .
i did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as an android developer i have run into the occasional moron that says that my games should be free, but the vast majority of comments are helpful and positive.
** tip.
if you have a program or game to sell, dont charge .99 for it, go for 4.99.  you will get MANY more customers.
i did.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178460</id>
	<title>You missed the real reason</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1258715760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> there are less Android phones out there than iPhones and iPod Touches</i></p><p>That is the case and is a factor, probably 30x more iPhone devices (20-30 million?  Probably many more by now).   So then how to account for 400x greater sales?</p><p><i>and the Android Market does not have paid apps available in every country, including Canada, Sweden, Finland, Mexico, Belgium, Greece, Ireland, South Korea, China, Brazil, India and Russia.</i></p><p>Look at sales figures for any application and I assure you the lot of those countries combined hardly touches a percentage of the U.S. and U.K app sales (from talking to other people with apps localized and in all regions).</p><p>So what is the reason?   The real reason is that it is WAY easier to pirate stuff on Android phones, and for whatever reason more Android users seem to pirate.  On the iPhone you have to have a jailbroken phone to pirate - AdMob has done studies on apps running on pirated vs. non-pirated phones, and I think there were around 2-3 million jailbroken phones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there are less Android phones out there than iPhones and iPod TouchesThat is the case and is a factor , probably 30x more iPhone devices ( 20-30 million ?
Probably many more by now ) .
So then how to account for 400x greater sales ? and the Android Market does not have paid apps available in every country , including Canada , Sweden , Finland , Mexico , Belgium , Greece , Ireland , South Korea , China , Brazil , India and Russia.Look at sales figures for any application and I assure you the lot of those countries combined hardly touches a percentage of the U.S. and U.K app sales ( from talking to other people with apps localized and in all regions ) .So what is the reason ?
The real reason is that it is WAY easier to pirate stuff on Android phones , and for whatever reason more Android users seem to pirate .
On the iPhone you have to have a jailbroken phone to pirate - AdMob has done studies on apps running on pirated vs. non-pirated phones , and I think there were around 2-3 million jailbroken phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> there are less Android phones out there than iPhones and iPod TouchesThat is the case and is a factor, probably 30x more iPhone devices (20-30 million?
Probably many more by now).
So then how to account for 400x greater sales?and the Android Market does not have paid apps available in every country, including Canada, Sweden, Finland, Mexico, Belgium, Greece, Ireland, South Korea, China, Brazil, India and Russia.Look at sales figures for any application and I assure you the lot of those countries combined hardly touches a percentage of the U.S. and U.K app sales (from talking to other people with apps localized and in all regions).So what is the reason?
The real reason is that it is WAY easier to pirate stuff on Android phones, and for whatever reason more Android users seem to pirate.
On the iPhone you have to have a jailbroken phone to pirate - AdMob has done studies on apps running on pirated vs. non-pirated phones, and I think there were around 2-3 million jailbroken phones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177576</id>
	<title>Very interesting</title>
	<author>bill\_kress</author>
	<datestamp>1258712640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are multiple different approaches to solving a problem and the choice to do one, the other or both is left up to individual entities in the marketplace and can be based on ease of use and revenue.</p><p>This is a pretty awesome concept.</p><p>I hope both continue so we can evolve the best of both.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are multiple different approaches to solving a problem and the choice to do one , the other or both is left up to individual entities in the marketplace and can be based on ease of use and revenue.This is a pretty awesome concept.I hope both continue so we can evolve the best of both .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are multiple different approaches to solving a problem and the choice to do one, the other or both is left up to individual entities in the marketplace and can be based on ease of use and revenue.This is a pretty awesome concept.I hope both continue so we can evolve the best of both.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30178834</id>
	<title>the app goldrush is over ...</title>
	<author>farble1670</author>
	<datestamp>1258717200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the stories we hear about john doe that made $10,000,000 on a stupid cigarette lighter app are in the past. the app market, both android and iphone are completely saturated. there are so many developers at this point that any new (simple) idea will be infinitely copied to the point that no one makes anything.</p><p>the apps that will make money today are carefully crafted, large scale games and productivity apps. the type of apps that you need to put significant $$$ into to get something back. this isn't the type of thing john doe can build in a few hours in the evening after his day job. </p><p>so yes, the stories of easy app money are dead for both iphone and android. have fun and build your cigarette lighter app, but don't expect someone to pay for it when there is 10 other apps that do the same thing that are free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the stories we hear about john doe that made $ 10,000,000 on a stupid cigarette lighter app are in the past .
the app market , both android and iphone are completely saturated .
there are so many developers at this point that any new ( simple ) idea will be infinitely copied to the point that no one makes anything.the apps that will make money today are carefully crafted , large scale games and productivity apps .
the type of apps that you need to put significant $ $ $ into to get something back .
this is n't the type of thing john doe can build in a few hours in the evening after his day job .
so yes , the stories of easy app money are dead for both iphone and android .
have fun and build your cigarette lighter app , but do n't expect someone to pay for it when there is 10 other apps that do the same thing that are free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the stories we hear about john doe that made $10,000,000 on a stupid cigarette lighter app are in the past.
the app market, both android and iphone are completely saturated.
there are so many developers at this point that any new (simple) idea will be infinitely copied to the point that no one makes anything.the apps that will make money today are carefully crafted, large scale games and productivity apps.
the type of apps that you need to put significant $$$ into to get something back.
this isn't the type of thing john doe can build in a few hours in the evening after his day job.
so yes, the stories of easy app money are dead for both iphone and android.
have fun and build your cigarette lighter app, but don't expect someone to pay for it when there is 10 other apps that do the same thing that are free.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177832</id>
	<title>Android without a phone plan?</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1258713600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you are a trendy game player you are buying the iPhone and games for it, but if you are an Android user you care less for games and more about being "free" ??</p></div><p>Another thing to consider: iPhone is to Android phone as iPod Touch is to what?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are a trendy game player you are buying the iPhone and games for it , but if you are an Android user you care less for games and more about being " free " ?
? Another thing to consider : iPhone is to Android phone as iPod Touch is to what ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are a trendy game player you are buying the iPhone and games for it, but if you are an Android user you care less for games and more about being "free" ?
?Another thing to consider: iPhone is to Android phone as iPod Touch is to what?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177710</id>
	<title>my experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258713180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an Android G1 user for about a year I have to say... I HATE the market place!!! It is getting better, but it does not lend itself to finding quality apps that would suit a need. There needs to be a web based interface for a users to browse to find an app beyond the interface on the phone. As more garage developers make myfart 2.0 it  get harder to separate the wheat from the chafe. And I'd gladly pay for apps ( I have in the past) but the current interface makes it nearly impossible. I HATE it!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an Android G1 user for about a year I have to say... I HATE the market place ! ! !
It is getting better , but it does not lend itself to finding quality apps that would suit a need .
There needs to be a web based interface for a users to browse to find an app beyond the interface on the phone .
As more garage developers make myfart 2.0 it get harder to separate the wheat from the chafe .
And I 'd gladly pay for apps ( I have in the past ) but the current interface makes it nearly impossible .
I HATE it ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an Android G1 user for about a year I have to say... I HATE the market place!!!
It is getting better, but it does not lend itself to finding quality apps that would suit a need.
There needs to be a web based interface for a users to browse to find an app beyond the interface on the phone.
As more garage developers make myfart 2.0 it  get harder to separate the wheat from the chafe.
And I'd gladly pay for apps ( I have in the past) but the current interface makes it nearly impossible.
I HATE it!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177174</id>
	<title>app store too restrictive? andriod store too open?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258711380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congratulations! You guys just learned about freedom! Gold star to the both of you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congratulations !
You guys just learned about freedom !
Gold star to the both of you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congratulations!
You guys just learned about freedom!
Gold star to the both of you!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30179786</id>
	<title>Mod parent clueless</title>
	<author>toriver</author>
	<datestamp>1258721640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You cannot sell paid Android apps in the majority of markets. Kind of narrows down the potential income unless you opt for free+ads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can not sell paid Android apps in the majority of markets .
Kind of narrows down the potential income unless you opt for free + ads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You cannot sell paid Android apps in the majority of markets.
Kind of narrows down the potential income unless you opt for free+ads.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177772</id>
	<title>It hasn't been opened for long</title>
	<author>gVibe</author>
	<datestamp>1258713420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lets use simple math...the App Store has been open for how long?  the Android App Store?

Ok then...STFU until the Android App store has had time to mature.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets use simple math...the App Store has been open for how long ?
the Android App Store ?
Ok then...STFU until the Android App store has had time to mature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets use simple math...the App Store has been open for how long?
the Android App Store?
Ok then...STFU until the Android App store has had time to mature.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30177454</id>
	<title>Re:Who'd have thunk it?</title>
	<author>eln</author>
	<datestamp>1258712220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly.  A mobile phone, even a smart phone, is far more of an appliance (or a game console) than a standard computer is, and you will lose if you try to treat it like a computer.  Apple understands this and offers a uniform experience with a tightly controlled OS and tightly controlled applications available through a simple and easy to use app store interface.  Developers only have to develop for one set of hardware requirements, and can fully take advantage of that piece of hardware.
<br> <br>
Android, on the other hand, is an open platform designed to work on a wide variety of devices.  This means that developers have to design their apps for the lowest common denominator of all these devices, or create different versions for each device depending on its capabilities.  This means they can't effectively take advantage of advanced features or greater available resources in the high end phones, because they'll lose out on all of the potential customers with the lower end models.  This is much more akin to developing for PCs rather than consoles.
<br> <br>
If people saw their phones as personal computers, Android's model would be more successful.  However, it doesn't seem to fit in with how most people use their phones.  It will find purchase among the small segment of the market that enjoys endlessly tinkering with their gadgets, or philosophically oppose closed designs enough to forgo the iPhone, but the majority of the population will continue to flock to the iPhone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
A mobile phone , even a smart phone , is far more of an appliance ( or a game console ) than a standard computer is , and you will lose if you try to treat it like a computer .
Apple understands this and offers a uniform experience with a tightly controlled OS and tightly controlled applications available through a simple and easy to use app store interface .
Developers only have to develop for one set of hardware requirements , and can fully take advantage of that piece of hardware .
Android , on the other hand , is an open platform designed to work on a wide variety of devices .
This means that developers have to design their apps for the lowest common denominator of all these devices , or create different versions for each device depending on its capabilities .
This means they ca n't effectively take advantage of advanced features or greater available resources in the high end phones , because they 'll lose out on all of the potential customers with the lower end models .
This is much more akin to developing for PCs rather than consoles .
If people saw their phones as personal computers , Android 's model would be more successful .
However , it does n't seem to fit in with how most people use their phones .
It will find purchase among the small segment of the market that enjoys endlessly tinkering with their gadgets , or philosophically oppose closed designs enough to forgo the iPhone , but the majority of the population will continue to flock to the iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
A mobile phone, even a smart phone, is far more of an appliance (or a game console) than a standard computer is, and you will lose if you try to treat it like a computer.
Apple understands this and offers a uniform experience with a tightly controlled OS and tightly controlled applications available through a simple and easy to use app store interface.
Developers only have to develop for one set of hardware requirements, and can fully take advantage of that piece of hardware.
Android, on the other hand, is an open platform designed to work on a wide variety of devices.
This means that developers have to design their apps for the lowest common denominator of all these devices, or create different versions for each device depending on its capabilities.
This means they can't effectively take advantage of advanced features or greater available resources in the high end phones, because they'll lose out on all of the potential customers with the lower end models.
This is much more akin to developing for PCs rather than consoles.
If people saw their phones as personal computers, Android's model would be more successful.
However, it doesn't seem to fit in with how most people use their phones.
It will find purchase among the small segment of the market that enjoys endlessly tinkering with their gadgets, or philosophically oppose closed designs enough to forgo the iPhone, but the majority of the population will continue to flock to the iPhone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180180</id>
	<title>Different OS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258723740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone else daydream of having the completed Haiku OS running on a smartphone? No crappy windows mobile stuff, no fascist Apple overseeing your every move, and hopefully no laizess-faire style google completing it's product and then ignoring almost anything like active support.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone else daydream of having the completed Haiku OS running on a smartphone ?
No crappy windows mobile stuff , no fascist Apple overseeing your every move , and hopefully no laizess-faire style google completing it 's product and then ignoring almost anything like active support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone else daydream of having the completed Haiku OS running on a smartphone?
No crappy windows mobile stuff, no fascist Apple overseeing your every move, and hopefully no laizess-faire style google completing it's product and then ignoring almost anything like active support.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30179508</id>
	<title>Re:Why not neither?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258720200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing is, most people with a Nokia phone never install a 3rd-party app.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing is , most people with a Nokia phone never install a 3rd-party app .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing is, most people with a Nokia phone never install a 3rd-party app.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_20_1558259.30180158</id>
	<title>I know this is Slashdot and all...</title>
	<author>1 inch punch</author>
	<datestamp>1258723680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but Google was a major contributor in getting people comfortable with trading their data for "free" usage.</p><p>On the other hand, Apple customers generally do not mind paying for a perceived level of quality. Look at the Mac shareware market, although small in size there are companies that have existed and even prospered in this niche for years.</p><p>Essentially the people who actually buy iPhone apps do not mind paying that $1 or however much the developer wants for it, despite the fact that piracy is quite rampant by most measures.</p><p>This is not actually an insane proposition when you consider that the iPhone or iPod Touch is also a reasonable alternative to existing handheld game consoles like the DS, PSP etc, especially when you factor the price of the games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but Google was a major contributor in getting people comfortable with trading their data for " free " usage.On the other hand , Apple customers generally do not mind paying for a perceived level of quality .
Look at the Mac shareware market , although small in size there are companies that have existed and even prospered in this niche for years.Essentially the people who actually buy iPhone apps do not mind paying that $ 1 or however much the developer wants for it , despite the fact that piracy is quite rampant by most measures.This is not actually an insane proposition when you consider that the iPhone or iPod Touch is also a reasonable alternative to existing handheld game consoles like the DS , PSP etc , especially when you factor the price of the games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but Google was a major contributor in getting people comfortable with trading their data for "free" usage.On the other hand, Apple customers generally do not mind paying for a perceived level of quality.
Look at the Mac shareware market, although small in size there are companies that have existed and even prospered in this niche for years.Essentially the people who actually buy iPhone apps do not mind paying that $1 or however much the developer wants for it, despite the fact that piracy is quite rampant by most measures.This is not actually an insane proposition when you consider that the iPhone or iPod Touch is also a reasonable alternative to existing handheld game consoles like the DS, PSP etc, especially when you factor the price of the games.</sentencetext>
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