<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_19_2059221</id>
	<title>Synchronize Data Between Linux, OS X, and Windows?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1258623000000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>aaaaaaargh! writes <i>"I'm using a laptop with Ubuntu 8.04 for work, a netbook with Ubuntu 9.10 when I'm outside, Mac OS X 10.5 for hobby projects, and Windows XP for gaming. For backups, I'm currently using <a href="http://www.jungledisk.com/">Jungle Disk</a> and Apple's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time\_Machine\_(Apple\_software)">Time Machine</a>, and I use a local svn repository for my work data.  Now I need to frequently exchange and synchronize OpenOffice and Latex files and source code in various cross-platform programming languages between one machine and another. Options range from putting everything online (but Jungle Disk disks seem to be too slow for anything else than backup), storing my data on external media like USB sticks or SD cards, or working with copies by synchronizing folders over the network. I don't want to give my data away to some server outside without strong encryption (controlled by me, including the source code) and external media like USB sticks are a bit too fragile according to my taste. The solution should be reliable, relatively failsafe, as simple as possible, and allow me to continue to use Jungle Disk for backup. So what would you recommend?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>aaaaaaargh !
writes " I 'm using a laptop with Ubuntu 8.04 for work , a netbook with Ubuntu 9.10 when I 'm outside , Mac OS X 10.5 for hobby projects , and Windows XP for gaming .
For backups , I 'm currently using Jungle Disk and Apple 's Time Machine , and I use a local svn repository for my work data .
Now I need to frequently exchange and synchronize OpenOffice and Latex files and source code in various cross-platform programming languages between one machine and another .
Options range from putting everything online ( but Jungle Disk disks seem to be too slow for anything else than backup ) , storing my data on external media like USB sticks or SD cards , or working with copies by synchronizing folders over the network .
I do n't want to give my data away to some server outside without strong encryption ( controlled by me , including the source code ) and external media like USB sticks are a bit too fragile according to my taste .
The solution should be reliable , relatively failsafe , as simple as possible , and allow me to continue to use Jungle Disk for backup .
So what would you recommend ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>aaaaaaargh!
writes "I'm using a laptop with Ubuntu 8.04 for work, a netbook with Ubuntu 9.10 when I'm outside, Mac OS X 10.5 for hobby projects, and Windows XP for gaming.
For backups, I'm currently using Jungle Disk and Apple's Time Machine, and I use a local svn repository for my work data.
Now I need to frequently exchange and synchronize OpenOffice and Latex files and source code in various cross-platform programming languages between one machine and another.
Options range from putting everything online (but Jungle Disk disks seem to be too slow for anything else than backup), storing my data on external media like USB sticks or SD cards, or working with copies by synchronizing folders over the network.
I don't want to give my data away to some server outside without strong encryption (controlled by me, including the source code) and external media like USB sticks are a bit too fragile according to my taste.
The solution should be reliable, relatively failsafe, as simple as possible, and allow me to continue to use Jungle Disk for backup.
So what would you recommend?
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165768</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>lhoguin</author>
	<datestamp>1258633620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't need to, dropbox already uses encryption for both transfer and storage.</p><p><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/help/27" title="dropbox.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.dropbox.com/help/27</a> [dropbox.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't need to , dropbox already uses encryption for both transfer and storage.https : //www.dropbox.com/help/27 [ dropbox.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't need to, dropbox already uses encryption for both transfer and storage.https://www.dropbox.com/help/27 [dropbox.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30171884</id>
	<title>Re:Traditional backup not always possible</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258736340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Of course if something catastrophic were to happen to cause all of the drives to die (since they are all in the same location) then files would be lost, but that's what insurance is for.</p></div><p>Read the fineprint in you insurance policy.  Most compensation for  loss/theft/fire/etc clearly exclude loss of data.  They will only replace the 10Terabytes of hardware and with the cheapest they can find, but I am sure you will have given up caring by the time you find this out.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course if something catastrophic were to happen to cause all of the drives to die ( since they are all in the same location ) then files would be lost , but that 's what insurance is for.Read the fineprint in you insurance policy .
Most compensation for loss/theft/fire/etc clearly exclude loss of data .
They will only replace the 10Terabytes of hardware and with the cheapest they can find , but I am sure you will have given up caring by the time you find this out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course if something catastrophic were to happen to cause all of the drives to die (since they are all in the same location) then files would be lost, but that's what insurance is for.Read the fineprint in you insurance policy.
Most compensation for  loss/theft/fire/etc clearly exclude loss of data.
They will only replace the 10Terabytes of hardware and with the cheapest they can find, but I am sure you will have given up caring by the time you find this out.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165216</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167128</id>
	<title>Re:wish USB was tougher</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1258641240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>and more broken usb ports from someone tripping over usb cable</i></p><p>I haven't had that, but I have had something fall on the USB connector sticking out of the front of my case and break one of the front two USB ports. Seeing as I spent a fair bit of money on an Antec P180 not too terribly long ago, and was hoping to use it even for my next computer, I'm kinda pissed about that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and more broken usb ports from someone tripping over usb cableI have n't had that , but I have had something fall on the USB connector sticking out of the front of my case and break one of the front two USB ports .
Seeing as I spent a fair bit of money on an Antec P180 not too terribly long ago , and was hoping to use it even for my next computer , I 'm kinda pissed about that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and more broken usb ports from someone tripping over usb cableI haven't had that, but I have had something fall on the USB connector sticking out of the front of my case and break one of the front two USB ports.
Seeing as I spent a fair bit of money on an Antec P180 not too terribly long ago, and was hoping to use it even for my next computer, I'm kinda pissed about that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164030</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164430</id>
	<title>SpiderOak</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258628220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Been using it for awhile, works great windows, Linux and Mac.  Also you don't have to place files in the dropbox folder, you can choose what folders to sync and backup. The also have zero knowledge of your files, which I find reassuring.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Been using it for awhile , works great windows , Linux and Mac .
Also you do n't have to place files in the dropbox folder , you can choose what folders to sync and backup .
The also have zero knowledge of your files , which I find reassuring .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Been using it for awhile, works great windows, Linux and Mac.
Also you don't have to place files in the dropbox folder, you can choose what folders to sync and backup.
The also have zero knowledge of your files, which I find reassuring.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164986</id>
	<title>ZFS + NFS/SMB + SCM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258630380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) setup your own server, small CPU plenty of harddrives</p><p>2) Install (Open)Solaris or another ZFS capable OS. 1 small HD for OS, and the rest for RaidZ (or RaidZ2). ZFS self-healing will catch many silent errors</p><p>3) Create a work folder and export it as NFS<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/SMB as needed</p><p>4) Create a Subversion or similar repositotry on the server</p><p>Under normal work conditions you work directly on the NFS/whatever share and then commit to SVN at the end of the day.If you need data offline, then checkout from SVN or rsync before you go offline.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) setup your own server , small CPU plenty of harddrives2 ) Install ( Open ) Solaris or another ZFS capable OS .
1 small HD for OS , and the rest for RaidZ ( or RaidZ2 ) .
ZFS self-healing will catch many silent errors3 ) Create a work folder and export it as NFS /SMB as needed4 ) Create a Subversion or similar repositotry on the serverUnder normal work conditions you work directly on the NFS/whatever share and then commit to SVN at the end of the day.If you need data offline , then checkout from SVN or rsync before you go offline .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) setup your own server, small CPU plenty of harddrives2) Install (Open)Solaris or another ZFS capable OS.
1 small HD for OS, and the rest for RaidZ (or RaidZ2).
ZFS self-healing will catch many silent errors3) Create a work folder and export it as NFS /SMB as needed4) Create a Subversion or similar repositotry on the serverUnder normal work conditions you work directly on the NFS/whatever share and then commit to SVN at the end of the day.If you need data offline, then checkout from SVN or rsync before you go offline.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30168948</id>
	<title>iFolder from Novell or Teamdrive.net</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258708320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been playing with this problem for a long time.  You could try iFolder (<a href="http://www.kablink.org/" title="kablink.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.kablink.org/</a> [kablink.org]).  It's free, you can run your own server, and everything is encrypted during transport and on the server.</p><p>Teamdrive (<a href="http://www.teamdrive.net/" title="teamdrive.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.teamdrive.net/</a> [teamdrive.net]) is also worth a look.  They have linux, mac, and windows clients and you can run your own server (webDAV) or buy their server software an run it yourself - or they also offer hosting of your files.  One if the cool things about teamdrive is that it has built in revision control.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been playing with this problem for a long time .
You could try iFolder ( http : //www.kablink.org/ [ kablink.org ] ) .
It 's free , you can run your own server , and everything is encrypted during transport and on the server.Teamdrive ( http : //www.teamdrive.net/ [ teamdrive.net ] ) is also worth a look .
They have linux , mac , and windows clients and you can run your own server ( webDAV ) or buy their server software an run it yourself - or they also offer hosting of your files .
One if the cool things about teamdrive is that it has built in revision control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been playing with this problem for a long time.
You could try iFolder (http://www.kablink.org/ [kablink.org]).
It's free, you can run your own server, and everything is encrypted during transport and on the server.Teamdrive (http://www.teamdrive.net/ [teamdrive.net]) is also worth a look.
They have linux, mac, and windows clients and you can run your own server (webDAV) or buy their server software an run it yourself - or they also offer hosting of your files.
One if the cool things about teamdrive is that it has built in revision control.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30168400</id>
	<title>FreeFileSync</title>
	<author>theblondebrunette</author>
	<datestamp>1258655280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I cannot believe nobody mentioned FreeFileSync yet (http://sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/).<br>It's a portable-app, and you can create batch jobs..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can not believe nobody mentioned FreeFileSync yet ( http : //sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/ ) .It 's a portable-app , and you can create batch jobs. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cannot believe nobody mentioned FreeFileSync yet (http://sourceforge.net/projects/freefilesync/).It's a portable-app, and you can create batch jobs..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167464</id>
	<title>Jungle Disk now has Sync in version 3.0</title>
	<author>crt</author>
	<datestamp>1258644720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're in luck! Jungle Disk 3.0 was released this week, with Sync support (for Windows, Mac, and Linux).</p><p><a href="http://blog.jungledisk.com/2009/11/17/jungle-disk-launches-an-all-new-product-lineup/" title="jungledisk.com">http://blog.jungledisk.com/2009/11/17/jungle-disk-launches-an-all-new-product-lineup/</a> [jungledisk.com]</p><p>Since you're already a Jungle Disk customer, the upgrade is free. Jungle Disk 3.0 also has a new backup engine that does block-level de-duplication and compression, making it by far the most efficient method for doing online backup.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're in luck !
Jungle Disk 3.0 was released this week , with Sync support ( for Windows , Mac , and Linux ) .http : //blog.jungledisk.com/2009/11/17/jungle-disk-launches-an-all-new-product-lineup/ [ jungledisk.com ] Since you 're already a Jungle Disk customer , the upgrade is free .
Jungle Disk 3.0 also has a new backup engine that does block-level de-duplication and compression , making it by far the most efficient method for doing online backup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're in luck!
Jungle Disk 3.0 was released this week, with Sync support (for Windows, Mac, and Linux).http://blog.jungledisk.com/2009/11/17/jungle-disk-launches-an-all-new-product-lineup/ [jungledisk.com]Since you're already a Jungle Disk customer, the upgrade is free.
Jungle Disk 3.0 also has a new backup engine that does block-level de-duplication and compression, making it by far the most efficient method for doing online backup.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167282</id>
	<title>Zotero!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258642740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After proving to be very capable of synchronizing  references (w/ PDF files), I've found Zotero (http://www.zotero.org) quite handy in synchronizing my other documents as well. Coupled with one's own webdav server, it comes very close to my idea of least-effort backup.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After proving to be very capable of synchronizing references ( w/ PDF files ) , I 've found Zotero ( http : //www.zotero.org ) quite handy in synchronizing my other documents as well .
Coupled with one 's own webdav server , it comes very close to my idea of least-effort backup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After proving to be very capable of synchronizing  references (w/ PDF files), I've found Zotero (http://www.zotero.org) quite handy in synchronizing my other documents as well.
Coupled with one's own webdav server, it comes very close to my idea of least-effort backup.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30171410</id>
	<title>Re:Throw money at it...</title>
	<author>spvo</author>
	<datestamp>1258734180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, it is against the bluehost terms of service to use it as a backup server.  I switched to dreamhost, they give you a large amount of storage space dedicated specifically to backup, in addition to whatever you use for your website.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , it is against the bluehost terms of service to use it as a backup server .
I switched to dreamhost , they give you a large amount of storage space dedicated specifically to backup , in addition to whatever you use for your website .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, it is against the bluehost terms of service to use it as a backup server.
I switched to dreamhost, they give you a large amount of storage space dedicated specifically to backup, in addition to whatever you use for your website.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164396</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165866</id>
	<title>Re:Unison UTF8 problem</title>
	<author>formfeed</author>
	<datestamp>1258634040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I second Unison. A "tiny" problem if you're using Unison: It can mess up filenames that have non-ASCII characters.
<p> That problem is mentioned all over the net, what's not mentioned is that the problem stems from transfers across different OSs. </p><p>
A suggestion that might be a work-around : Sync Windows to a smb share, and use unison locally on that directory.
</p><p>
I am not using windows, so I'm fine. But, I also can't guarantee that my suggestion works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I second Unison .
A " tiny " problem if you 're using Unison : It can mess up filenames that have non-ASCII characters .
That problem is mentioned all over the net , what 's not mentioned is that the problem stems from transfers across different OSs .
A suggestion that might be a work-around : Sync Windows to a smb share , and use unison locally on that directory .
I am not using windows , so I 'm fine .
But , I also ca n't guarantee that my suggestion works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second Unison.
A "tiny" problem if you're using Unison: It can mess up filenames that have non-ASCII characters.
That problem is mentioned all over the net, what's not mentioned is that the problem stems from transfers across different OSs.
A suggestion that might be a work-around : Sync Windows to a smb share, and use unison locally on that directory.
I am not using windows, so I'm fine.
But, I also can't guarantee that my suggestion works.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163944</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164554</id>
	<title>Backuppc and a server you own</title>
	<author>AtomicDevice</author>
	<datestamp>1258628640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First off I'd dump the cloud business, get a cheap little box and put a huge hard disk in it.  It's cheap, super secure, nobody else owns/controls your data.<br> <br>Then I set me up a backuppc server, it's super easy to set up (on ubuntu at least) then have all your machines regularly backing themselves up.<br> <br>Backuppc has a very excellent web interface allowing you to request full or incremental backups at any time, and an awesome interface to allow you to push (restore) files to any of the systems you are backing up (i.e. files backed up from system A can be restored to system B).<br> <br>at the end of each workday you do an incremental backup of your work machine, and push whatever files you need to sync back onto your other machines and vice versa.  It's easy to schedule and script, and easy to use the web interface to do unscheduled backups/restores/browse and download backed up files</htmltext>
<tokenext>First off I 'd dump the cloud business , get a cheap little box and put a huge hard disk in it .
It 's cheap , super secure , nobody else owns/controls your data .
Then I set me up a backuppc server , it 's super easy to set up ( on ubuntu at least ) then have all your machines regularly backing themselves up .
Backuppc has a very excellent web interface allowing you to request full or incremental backups at any time , and an awesome interface to allow you to push ( restore ) files to any of the systems you are backing up ( i.e .
files backed up from system A can be restored to system B ) .
at the end of each workday you do an incremental backup of your work machine , and push whatever files you need to sync back onto your other machines and vice versa .
It 's easy to schedule and script , and easy to use the web interface to do unscheduled backups/restores/browse and download backed up files</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off I'd dump the cloud business, get a cheap little box and put a huge hard disk in it.
It's cheap, super secure, nobody else owns/controls your data.
Then I set me up a backuppc server, it's super easy to set up (on ubuntu at least) then have all your machines regularly backing themselves up.
Backuppc has a very excellent web interface allowing you to request full or incremental backups at any time, and an awesome interface to allow you to push (restore) files to any of the systems you are backing up (i.e.
files backed up from system A can be restored to system B).
at the end of each workday you do an incremental backup of your work machine, and push whatever files you need to sync back onto your other machines and vice versa.
It's easy to schedule and script, and easy to use the web interface to do unscheduled backups/restores/browse and download backed up files</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30168864</id>
	<title>eyeos</title>
	<author>mahadiga</author>
	<datestamp>1258749900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Run <a href="http://eyeos.com/" title="eyeos.com" rel="nofollow">eyeos</a> [eyeos.com] in your server.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Run eyeos [ eyeos.com ] in your server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Run eyeos [eyeos.com] in your server.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164578</id>
	<title>iFolder (Novel^WKablink?!)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258628700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was gonna say: "Why, oh dear Novel, why did you abandon iFolder?!", but it appears it has been granted a third life:</p><p><a href="http://ifolder.com/ifolder" title="ifolder.com" rel="nofollow">http://ifolder.com/ifolder</a> [ifolder.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was gon na say : " Why , oh dear Novel , why did you abandon iFolder ? !
" , but it appears it has been granted a third life : http : //ifolder.com/ifolder [ ifolder.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was gonna say: "Why, oh dear Novel, why did you abandon iFolder?!
", but it appears it has been granted a third life:http://ifolder.com/ifolder [ifolder.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165294</id>
	<title>got bandwidth?</title>
	<author>mirix</author>
	<datestamp>1258631580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSHFS" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">SSHFS</a> [wikipedia.org]

But if you just need sync, I fail to see why SVN doesn't cut it for you...</htmltext>
<tokenext>SSHFS [ wikipedia.org ] But if you just need sync , I fail to see why SVN does n't cut it for you.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SSHFS [wikipedia.org]

But if you just need sync, I fail to see why SVN doesn't cut it for you...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166626</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>Unequivocal</author>
	<datestamp>1258637820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using spideroak, and I have one complaint which is restorations are sometimes fairly slow (10 minutes to pull down a 300k file). Sometimes it's fast-ish (30 sec) , so I guess it's where the file is in their cloud.</p><p>How is restoration time on Dropbox?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using spideroak , and I have one complaint which is restorations are sometimes fairly slow ( 10 minutes to pull down a 300k file ) .
Sometimes it 's fast-ish ( 30 sec ) , so I guess it 's where the file is in their cloud.How is restoration time on Dropbox ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using spideroak, and I have one complaint which is restorations are sometimes fairly slow (10 minutes to pull down a 300k file).
Sometimes it's fast-ish (30 sec) , so I guess it's where the file is in their cloud.How is restoration time on Dropbox?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164098</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30168888</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>operator\_error</author>
	<datestamp>1258750440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try a different approach. Use full disk backups, especially on notebooks. Then dropbox works well, securely.</p><p>FWIW, Ubuntu Netbook Remix is awesome; I love it! Only problem is the easy installer doesn't support full disk encryption like the other Ubuntu installs do (just download/use the 'alternate install disk', which offers no 'live' test-drive options on the CD). To encrypt netbooks, here's an easy way: <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7489558&amp;postcount=13" title="ubuntuforums.org">http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7489558&amp;postcount=13</a> [ubuntuforums.org]</p><p>Also, if you support an office, why not have folks (transparently) proxy the office dd-wrt  router via ssh, from the unsecure coffee-shop 'free' wifi they like so much? So they use only truly trusted networks?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try a different approach .
Use full disk backups , especially on notebooks .
Then dropbox works well , securely.FWIW , Ubuntu Netbook Remix is awesome ; I love it !
Only problem is the easy installer does n't support full disk encryption like the other Ubuntu installs do ( just download/use the 'alternate install disk ' , which offers no 'live ' test-drive options on the CD ) .
To encrypt netbooks , here 's an easy way : http : //ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php ? p = 7489558&amp;postcount = 13 [ ubuntuforums.org ] Also , if you support an office , why not have folks ( transparently ) proxy the office dd-wrt router via ssh , from the unsecure coffee-shop 'free ' wifi they like so much ?
So they use only truly trusted networks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try a different approach.
Use full disk backups, especially on notebooks.
Then dropbox works well, securely.FWIW, Ubuntu Netbook Remix is awesome; I love it!
Only problem is the easy installer doesn't support full disk encryption like the other Ubuntu installs do (just download/use the 'alternate install disk', which offers no 'live' test-drive options on the CD).
To encrypt netbooks, here's an easy way: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7489558&amp;postcount=13 [ubuntuforums.org]Also, if you support an office, why not have folks (transparently) proxy the office dd-wrt  router via ssh, from the unsecure coffee-shop 'free' wifi they like so much?
So they use only truly trusted networks?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164588</id>
	<title>Re:Unison</title>
	<author>richg74</author>
	<datestamp>1258628760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I will also recommend Unison.  I've been using it to synch files / directories among Linux and Windows machines, and it works great.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I will also recommend Unison .
I 've been using it to synch files / directories among Linux and Windows machines , and it works great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I will also recommend Unison.
I've been using it to synch files / directories among Linux and Windows machines, and it works great.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163944</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165976</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>vtcodger</author>
	<datestamp>1258634580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rsync or Unison or something else.  Probably doesn't matter all that much.  But I would set up storage somewhere (existing partitions, and/or usb harddrive(s), and/or ()a flashdrive(s)) with a separate partition for backing up each computer and would use it/them for a few months until all (well, most anyway) of the ways to screw up the file synchronization from multiple PCs have been identified and tamed.  If one never makes mistakes, that won't be necessary of course.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rsync or Unison or something else .
Probably does n't matter all that much .
But I would set up storage somewhere ( existing partitions , and/or usb harddrive ( s ) , and/or ( ) a flashdrive ( s ) ) with a separate partition for backing up each computer and would use it/them for a few months until all ( well , most anyway ) of the ways to screw up the file synchronization from multiple PCs have been identified and tamed .
If one never makes mistakes , that wo n't be necessary of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rsync or Unison or something else.
Probably doesn't matter all that much.
But I would set up storage somewhere (existing partitions, and/or usb harddrive(s), and/or ()a flashdrive(s)) with a separate partition for backing up each computer and would use it/them for a few months until all (well, most anyway) of the ways to screw up the file synchronization from multiple PCs have been identified and tamed.
If one never makes mistakes, that won't be necessary of course.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163932</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163954</id>
	<title>dropbox?</title>
	<author>kperrier</author>
	<datestamp>1258626840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>www.dropbox.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>www.dropbox.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>www.dropbox.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30169752</id>
	<title>Tonido</title>
	<author>boldie</author>
	<datestamp>1258720620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe Tonido? Your own p2p cloud! <a href="http://www.tonido.com/" title="tonido.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tonido.com/</a> [tonido.com]<br>There are clients for Mac, Windows and Linux. There are your syncing solution. Backup the data should not be a problem. Maybe the TonidoPlug as a home server? Its a sheevaplug running Ubuntu with Tonido-software.<br><a href="http://www.tonidoplug.com/" title="tonidoplug.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tonidoplug.com/</a> [tonidoplug.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe Tonido ?
Your own p2p cloud !
http : //www.tonido.com/ [ tonido.com ] There are clients for Mac , Windows and Linux .
There are your syncing solution .
Backup the data should not be a problem .
Maybe the TonidoPlug as a home server ?
Its a sheevaplug running Ubuntu with Tonido-software.http : //www.tonidoplug.com/ [ tonidoplug.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe Tonido?
Your own p2p cloud!
http://www.tonido.com/ [tonido.com]There are clients for Mac, Windows and Linux.
There are your syncing solution.
Backup the data should not be a problem.
Maybe the TonidoPlug as a home server?
Its a sheevaplug running Ubuntu with Tonido-software.http://www.tonidoplug.com/ [tonidoplug.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166794</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258638780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hence the use of truecrypt</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hence the use of truecrypt</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hence the use of truecrypt</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164674</id>
	<title>Re:wish USB was tougher</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258629000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>WHOMEVER is designing USB 4 or whatever it will be called, PLEASE make the damn connection more sturdy.</p></div><p>They should make the connection more fragile, not more sturdy. The components should be sturdy, but if you design them to easily separate, things like tripping over the cable will cause little to no physical damage.</p><p>Apple's MagSafe power adapter is a good example of this. You can trip over the power as much as you want and it just disconnects. But neither the cord nor the laptop is damaged in any way and you're free to simply plug it in again and continue working. This should be the goal of every computer connection. The last thing I want is to trip over a cord and send both devices at either end flying across the room because the connection is sturdy enough to not break.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>WHOMEVER is designing USB 4 or whatever it will be called , PLEASE make the damn connection more sturdy.They should make the connection more fragile , not more sturdy .
The components should be sturdy , but if you design them to easily separate , things like tripping over the cable will cause little to no physical damage.Apple 's MagSafe power adapter is a good example of this .
You can trip over the power as much as you want and it just disconnects .
But neither the cord nor the laptop is damaged in any way and you 're free to simply plug it in again and continue working .
This should be the goal of every computer connection .
The last thing I want is to trip over a cord and send both devices at either end flying across the room because the connection is sturdy enough to not break .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WHOMEVER is designing USB 4 or whatever it will be called, PLEASE make the damn connection more sturdy.They should make the connection more fragile, not more sturdy.
The components should be sturdy, but if you design them to easily separate, things like tripping over the cable will cause little to no physical damage.Apple's MagSafe power adapter is a good example of this.
You can trip over the power as much as you want and it just disconnects.
But neither the cord nor the laptop is damaged in any way and you're free to simply plug it in again and continue working.
This should be the goal of every computer connection.
The last thing I want is to trip over a cord and send both devices at either end flying across the room because the connection is sturdy enough to not break.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164030</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164426</id>
	<title>Unison on Cygwin</title>
	<author>LikwidCirkel</author>
	<datestamp>1258628220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been using unison for many years and it works just fine and should be as secure as ssh.  It's even smart enough to warn on errors caused by things like synchronizing between case sensitive/insensitive filesystems and illegal characters.

Combined with dynDNS for the home computer, and I'm all set anywhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using unison for many years and it works just fine and should be as secure as ssh .
It 's even smart enough to warn on errors caused by things like synchronizing between case sensitive/insensitive filesystems and illegal characters .
Combined with dynDNS for the home computer , and I 'm all set anywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using unison for many years and it works just fine and should be as secure as ssh.
It's even smart enough to warn on errors caused by things like synchronizing between case sensitive/insensitive filesystems and illegal characters.
Combined with dynDNS for the home computer, and I'm all set anywhere.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167900</id>
	<title>Use Bazaar and make your own dropbox</title>
	<author>fluffernutter</author>
	<datestamp>1258650000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In about 10 minutes you can set up a Bazaar repository on a hub machine and commit your files to it.  I've been using mine now for about 8 months and it works great.  Just do the following every time you start work:<br>
$ bzr update<br> <br>
And then when you are done:<br>
$ bzr add<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.<br>
$ bzr commit -m "bulk commit"<br> <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>..or something like that.  You can do it from all your machines.  Be sure to use a LIGHTWEIGHT CHECKOUT or the local repository will double your folder size.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In about 10 minutes you can set up a Bazaar repository on a hub machine and commit your files to it .
I 've been using mine now for about 8 months and it works great .
Just do the following every time you start work : $ bzr update And then when you are done : $ bzr add .
$ bzr commit -m " bulk commit " ..or something like that .
You can do it from all your machines .
Be sure to use a LIGHTWEIGHT CHECKOUT or the local repository will double your folder size .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In about 10 minutes you can set up a Bazaar repository on a hub machine and commit your files to it.
I've been using mine now for about 8 months and it works great.
Just do the following every time you start work:
$ bzr update 
And then when you are done:
$ bzr add .
$ bzr commit -m "bulk commit"  ..or something like that.
You can do it from all your machines.
Be sure to use a LIGHTWEIGHT CHECKOUT or the local repository will double your folder size.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164494</id>
	<title>Click on me! https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTI</title>
	<author>stefanlasiewski</author>
	<datestamp>1258628460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No no, clearly you need to click on MY link.</p><p><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTI0MDY5MDU5" title="dropbox.com">https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTI0MDY5MDU5</a> [dropbox.com]</p><p>Not only will you and I both get an extra 250MB of space, but you will help me keep more precious photos of my children in the cloud, for FREE!</p><p>I currently run Dropbox on 3 computers-- One Ubuntu Server, one Windows Desktop and one Windows Laptop. It's nice to have the same set of files everywhere. Not only is it convenient to have the same set of files on all 3 machines, but I like the redundancy offered by the distributed storage-- It's on 3 drives here and is also hosted in the cloud.</p><p>I can take the laptop with me to show the family photos &amp; videos to my folks. But the files are still kept safe at home and at dropbox.com.</p><p>I might also install it on another machine outside of the San Francisco quake zone, to offer one more point of redundancy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No no , clearly you need to click on MY link.https : //www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTI0MDY5MDU5 [ dropbox.com ] Not only will you and I both get an extra 250MB of space , but you will help me keep more precious photos of my children in the cloud , for FREE ! I currently run Dropbox on 3 computers-- One Ubuntu Server , one Windows Desktop and one Windows Laptop .
It 's nice to have the same set of files everywhere .
Not only is it convenient to have the same set of files on all 3 machines , but I like the redundancy offered by the distributed storage-- It 's on 3 drives here and is also hosted in the cloud.I can take the laptop with me to show the family photos &amp; videos to my folks .
But the files are still kept safe at home and at dropbox.com.I might also install it on another machine outside of the San Francisco quake zone , to offer one more point of redundancy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No no, clearly you need to click on MY link.https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTI0MDY5MDU5 [dropbox.com]Not only will you and I both get an extra 250MB of space, but you will help me keep more precious photos of my children in the cloud, for FREE!I currently run Dropbox on 3 computers-- One Ubuntu Server, one Windows Desktop and one Windows Laptop.
It's nice to have the same set of files everywhere.
Not only is it convenient to have the same set of files on all 3 machines, but I like the redundancy offered by the distributed storage-- It's on 3 drives here and is also hosted in the cloud.I can take the laptop with me to show the family photos &amp; videos to my folks.
But the files are still kept safe at home and at dropbox.com.I might also install it on another machine outside of the San Francisco quake zone, to offer one more point of redundancy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164018</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165914</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258634280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But then you have to write all content on every sync, even if you only changed a 4kb file.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But then you have to write all content on every sync , even if you only changed a 4kb file .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But then you have to write all content on every sync, even if you only changed a 4kb file.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164614</id>
	<title>Or dont' throw money</title>
	<author>goombah99</author>
	<datestamp>1258628820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I;m a little confused if you are syncronizing, mirroring or backing up data. the title says synch, but time machine and jungle disk are more for backup, and at most can be used for mirroring a master rather than synching.</p><p>If you want to backup, take a look at Crashplan.  It's got two unique features the other plans lack.  1)  you can backup to your own physical media, not theirs.  This solves the problem of how do you backup and restore say 200GB of data in less than a month to a remote service.  if the disk is yours you do the initial backup locally, them move the disk to the remote location for incremental backups.  And then you do the reverse when you need to do more than in incremental restore.   2) they will sell you just the software-- a one time cost-- and you don't have to pay for a monthly remote service cost unless you want to.  in which case you just backup to a freinds computer that is hosting your disk.  Your data is both safe and remote (and encypted) but you can also go get the drive is if you need it using your toyota rather than the internet.</p><p>On the other hand if you want syncronization then look into Unison.  It appears the source forge project is not highly maintained but also mature enough to work well.  it is cross platform and scriptable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ; m a little confused if you are syncronizing , mirroring or backing up data .
the title says synch , but time machine and jungle disk are more for backup , and at most can be used for mirroring a master rather than synching.If you want to backup , take a look at Crashplan .
It 's got two unique features the other plans lack .
1 ) you can backup to your own physical media , not theirs .
This solves the problem of how do you backup and restore say 200GB of data in less than a month to a remote service .
if the disk is yours you do the initial backup locally , them move the disk to the remote location for incremental backups .
And then you do the reverse when you need to do more than in incremental restore .
2 ) they will sell you just the software-- a one time cost-- and you do n't have to pay for a monthly remote service cost unless you want to .
in which case you just backup to a freinds computer that is hosting your disk .
Your data is both safe and remote ( and encypted ) but you can also go get the drive is if you need it using your toyota rather than the internet.On the other hand if you want syncronization then look into Unison .
It appears the source forge project is not highly maintained but also mature enough to work well .
it is cross platform and scriptable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I;m a little confused if you are syncronizing, mirroring or backing up data.
the title says synch, but time machine and jungle disk are more for backup, and at most can be used for mirroring a master rather than synching.If you want to backup, take a look at Crashplan.
It's got two unique features the other plans lack.
1)  you can backup to your own physical media, not theirs.
This solves the problem of how do you backup and restore say 200GB of data in less than a month to a remote service.
if the disk is yours you do the initial backup locally, them move the disk to the remote location for incremental backups.
And then you do the reverse when you need to do more than in incremental restore.
2) they will sell you just the software-- a one time cost-- and you don't have to pay for a monthly remote service cost unless you want to.
in which case you just backup to a freinds computer that is hosting your disk.
Your data is both safe and remote (and encypted) but you can also go get the drive is if you need it using your toyota rather than the internet.On the other hand if you want syncronization then look into Unison.
It appears the source forge project is not highly maintained but also mature enough to work well.
it is cross platform and scriptable.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163904</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164718</id>
	<title>You don't need a computer...</title>
	<author>sbeckstead</author>
	<datestamp>1258629180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dude you don't need a computer, you need a typewriter.  Only thing as safe as you want.
Or you could try DropBox.com and use encryption.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude you do n't need a computer , you need a typewriter .
Only thing as safe as you want .
Or you could try DropBox.com and use encryption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude you don't need a computer, you need a typewriter.
Only thing as safe as you want.
Or you could try DropBox.com and use encryption.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165358</id>
	<title>Need Version Control and Backups - rdiff-backup</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258631820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For version control, use whatever you like, but place it on the same system from which remote, off-site backups will be run. Git and BZR are recommended repositories.</p><p>For backups, use rdiff-backup to a central, local server area. If your clients are NOT RAID-something, this area should be.</p><p>For remote backups, just rsync the rdiff-backup areas where ever you normally store off-site backups. If you want them encrypted, do that too.</p><p>Make certain this stuff all happens automatically. Manual backups fail too often for lack of running them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For version control , use whatever you like , but place it on the same system from which remote , off-site backups will be run .
Git and BZR are recommended repositories.For backups , use rdiff-backup to a central , local server area .
If your clients are NOT RAID-something , this area should be.For remote backups , just rsync the rdiff-backup areas where ever you normally store off-site backups .
If you want them encrypted , do that too.Make certain this stuff all happens automatically .
Manual backups fail too often for lack of running them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For version control, use whatever you like, but place it on the same system from which remote, off-site backups will be run.
Git and BZR are recommended repositories.For backups, use rdiff-backup to a central, local server area.
If your clients are NOT RAID-something, this area should be.For remote backups, just rsync the rdiff-backup areas where ever you normally store off-site backups.
If you want them encrypted, do that too.Make certain this stuff all happens automatically.
Manual backups fail too often for lack of running them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165640</id>
	<title>Did no one read the fine summary?</title>
	<author>Sancho</author>
	<datestamp>1258633080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't want to give my data away to some server outside without strong encryption</p></div><p>Man, no one reads anymore!</p><p>Depending upon how much work and money you're willing to expend, you might check out <a href="http://www.tarsnap.com/" title="tarsnap.com">Tarsnap</a> [tarsnap.com].  It's not going to have a pretty GUI or anything, and you'll need Cygwin to get it running on Windows, but it's got pretty much everything you want.</p><p>It's snapshotting, so you only transfer small changes.<br>It encrypts (and it does so on the client, before sending it to the server) and the source code to the client is available for review.  Unfortunately, the terms of use for the Tarsnap server do not allow modifications to the client.  I'm not sure if this counts for your open source requirement.<br>The back-end is Amazon S3, much like Jungle Disk (though unfortunately, you wouldn't be able to continue using Jungle Disk to access this data, as you hoped.)</p><p>The biggest problem I have with it is that it doesn't do true syncing.  There's nothing stopping you from writing a few scripts to effectively get syncing.  I could envision storing/backing up your subversion repository with Tarsnap and downloading the last snapshot any time you need to start working on a new machine.</p><p>There's really not much else that suitable without running your own server somewhere.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want to give my data away to some server outside without strong encryptionMan , no one reads anymore ! Depending upon how much work and money you 're willing to expend , you might check out Tarsnap [ tarsnap.com ] .
It 's not going to have a pretty GUI or anything , and you 'll need Cygwin to get it running on Windows , but it 's got pretty much everything you want.It 's snapshotting , so you only transfer small changes.It encrypts ( and it does so on the client , before sending it to the server ) and the source code to the client is available for review .
Unfortunately , the terms of use for the Tarsnap server do not allow modifications to the client .
I 'm not sure if this counts for your open source requirement.The back-end is Amazon S3 , much like Jungle Disk ( though unfortunately , you would n't be able to continue using Jungle Disk to access this data , as you hoped .
) The biggest problem I have with it is that it does n't do true syncing .
There 's nothing stopping you from writing a few scripts to effectively get syncing .
I could envision storing/backing up your subversion repository with Tarsnap and downloading the last snapshot any time you need to start working on a new machine.There 's really not much else that suitable without running your own server somewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want to give my data away to some server outside without strong encryptionMan, no one reads anymore!Depending upon how much work and money you're willing to expend, you might check out Tarsnap [tarsnap.com].
It's not going to have a pretty GUI or anything, and you'll need Cygwin to get it running on Windows, but it's got pretty much everything you want.It's snapshotting, so you only transfer small changes.It encrypts (and it does so on the client, before sending it to the server) and the source code to the client is available for review.
Unfortunately, the terms of use for the Tarsnap server do not allow modifications to the client.
I'm not sure if this counts for your open source requirement.The back-end is Amazon S3, much like Jungle Disk (though unfortunately, you wouldn't be able to continue using Jungle Disk to access this data, as you hoped.
)The biggest problem I have with it is that it doesn't do true syncing.
There's nothing stopping you from writing a few scripts to effectively get syncing.
I could envision storing/backing up your subversion repository with Tarsnap and downloading the last snapshot any time you need to start working on a new machine.There's really not much else that suitable without running your own server somewhere.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164264</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258627680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't want to give my data away to some server outside without strong encryption</p></div><p>Use dropbox with a Truecrypt encrypted container as the file which gets synchronized.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want to give my data away to some server outside without strong encryptionUse dropbox with a Truecrypt encrypted container as the file which gets synchronized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want to give my data away to some server outside without strong encryptionUse dropbox with a Truecrypt encrypted container as the file which gets synchronized.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163954</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164724</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>nametaken</author>
	<datestamp>1258629240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dropbox is good up to a few gigs, but their pay service is expensive per GB.  I presently use it with SyncToy (scheduled) to keep stuff up-to-date between machines... but only for a small set of important stuff.</p><p>For larger things, the OP's selection of Jungledisk is far more cost effective... and if speed is an issue I wonder if he/she knows that Jungledisk backends to EITHER Rackspace or Amazon.  They should try the other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dropbox is good up to a few gigs , but their pay service is expensive per GB .
I presently use it with SyncToy ( scheduled ) to keep stuff up-to-date between machines... but only for a small set of important stuff.For larger things , the OP 's selection of Jungledisk is far more cost effective... and if speed is an issue I wonder if he/she knows that Jungledisk backends to EITHER Rackspace or Amazon .
They should try the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dropbox is good up to a few gigs, but their pay service is expensive per GB.
I presently use it with SyncToy (scheduled) to keep stuff up-to-date between machines... but only for a small set of important stuff.For larger things, the OP's selection of Jungledisk is far more cost effective... and if speed is an issue I wonder if he/she knows that Jungledisk backends to EITHER Rackspace or Amazon.
They should try the other.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163954</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164030</id>
	<title>wish USB was tougher</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258627020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>USB sticks are a bit too fragile</i></p> </div><p>damn straight.  that is the number one problem with USB anything.  i've seen more broken jump drives, and more broken usb ports from someone tripping over usb cable, than i care to fix.  yes, they ARE handy as can be, but to WHOMEVER is designing USB 4 or whatever it will be called, PLEASE make the damn connection more sturdy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>USB sticks are a bit too fragile damn straight .
that is the number one problem with USB anything .
i 've seen more broken jump drives , and more broken usb ports from someone tripping over usb cable , than i care to fix .
yes , they ARE handy as can be , but to WHOMEVER is designing USB 4 or whatever it will be called , PLEASE make the damn connection more sturdy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> USB sticks are a bit too fragile damn straight.
that is the number one problem with USB anything.
i've seen more broken jump drives, and more broken usb ports from someone tripping over usb cable, than i care to fix.
yes, they ARE handy as can be, but to WHOMEVER is designing USB 4 or whatever it will be called, PLEASE make the damn connection more sturdy.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164780</id>
	<title>Re:Dropbox</title>
	<author>richard.cs</author>
	<datestamp>1258629540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another shameless attempt to get some free space: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTU1NDA2Mjk" title="dropbox.com">Click here</a> [dropbox.com] and sign up and we'll both get an extra 250 MB.</p><p>Seriously though. Dropbox is great, I was dubious about it at first but it's so very useful and it just works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another shameless attempt to get some free space : Click here [ dropbox.com ] and sign up and we 'll both get an extra 250 MB.Seriously though .
Dropbox is great , I was dubious about it at first but it 's so very useful and it just works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another shameless attempt to get some free space: Click here [dropbox.com] and sign up and we'll both get an extra 250 MB.Seriously though.
Dropbox is great, I was dubious about it at first but it's so very useful and it just works.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164018</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166676</id>
	<title>Re:SpiderOak</title>
	<author>Unequivocal</author>
	<datestamp>1258638180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using it too. It has some great features. My experience is that it's a little buggy. For example, it doesn't always catch new folders that have been created, so I've found myself unable to remotely access a file b/c the new folder was not caught by the service (and so none of the files were backed up). Second complaint is that restorations are slow-ish sometimes (10 min for a 300k file). Sometimes the restorations are fast and I can't tell if it's the specific file (due to fragmentation in the cloud or something) is slow or if it's their server utilization. Finally I can't ever get the folder sync to work - it always errors out with a weird message.</p><p>Do you have any of these problems?</p><p>Overall I like the product but I think it has to mature.. Your input would be great!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using it too .
It has some great features .
My experience is that it 's a little buggy .
For example , it does n't always catch new folders that have been created , so I 've found myself unable to remotely access a file b/c the new folder was not caught by the service ( and so none of the files were backed up ) .
Second complaint is that restorations are slow-ish sometimes ( 10 min for a 300k file ) .
Sometimes the restorations are fast and I ca n't tell if it 's the specific file ( due to fragmentation in the cloud or something ) is slow or if it 's their server utilization .
Finally I ca n't ever get the folder sync to work - it always errors out with a weird message.Do you have any of these problems ? Overall I like the product but I think it has to mature.. Your input would be great !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using it too.
It has some great features.
My experience is that it's a little buggy.
For example, it doesn't always catch new folders that have been created, so I've found myself unable to remotely access a file b/c the new folder was not caught by the service (and so none of the files were backed up).
Second complaint is that restorations are slow-ish sometimes (10 min for a 300k file).
Sometimes the restorations are fast and I can't tell if it's the specific file (due to fragmentation in the cloud or something) is slow or if it's their server utilization.
Finally I can't ever get the folder sync to work - it always errors out with a weird message.Do you have any of these problems?Overall I like the product but I think it has to mature.. Your input would be great!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164430</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164216</id>
	<title>Distributed version control</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1258627560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://mercurial.selenic.com/" title="selenic.com">Mercurial</a> [selenic.com] for...</p><p><a href="http://mercurial.berkwood.com/binaries/Mercurial-1.4.exe" title="berkwood.com">Windows</a> [berkwood.com] </p><p><a href="http://mercurial.berkwood.com/binaries/Mercurial-1.4-py2.6-macosx10.6.zip" title="berkwood.com">MacOS</a> [berkwood.com] </p><p>For linux it should be in standard repos.</p><p>This way you can make changes on any of your systems and move them around as required, merging only when needed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mercurial [ selenic.com ] for...Windows [ berkwood.com ] MacOS [ berkwood.com ] For linux it should be in standard repos.This way you can make changes on any of your systems and move them around as required , merging only when needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mercurial [selenic.com] for...Windows [berkwood.com] MacOS [berkwood.com] For linux it should be in standard repos.This way you can make changes on any of your systems and move them around as required, merging only when needed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30169392</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258714920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>dropbox.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>dropbox.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dropbox.com</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163932</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164398</id>
	<title>XtreemFS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258628160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Was meant for XtreemOS, but works as a standard fuse filesystem.</p><p>Just released version 1.1 a few days ago (read it on LWN and tried their public demo server - worked nicely).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was meant for XtreemOS , but works as a standard fuse filesystem.Just released version 1.1 a few days ago ( read it on LWN and tried their public demo server - worked nicely ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was meant for XtreemOS, but works as a standard fuse filesystem.Just released version 1.1 a few days ago (read it on LWN and tried their public demo server - worked nicely).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166418</id>
	<title>nfs &amp; git</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258636620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>git for small files. nfs for large ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>git for small files .
nfs for large ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>git for small files.
nfs for large ones.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30172822</id>
	<title>Re:Or dont' throw money</title>
	<author>chundo</author>
	<datestamp>1258739580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>CrashPlan is pretty great, but the Linux client was too much of a resource hog when I used it.  Whether that's bad programming or that fact that it's a Java service, I don't know.</htmltext>
<tokenext>CrashPlan is pretty great , but the Linux client was too much of a resource hog when I used it .
Whether that 's bad programming or that fact that it 's a Java service , I do n't know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CrashPlan is pretty great, but the Linux client was too much of a resource hog when I used it.
Whether that's bad programming or that fact that it's a Java service, I don't know.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164614</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166210</id>
	<title>iFolder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258635600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps iFolder can help...</p><p>http://www.ifolder.com/ifolder</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps iFolder can help...http : //www.ifolder.com/ifolder</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps iFolder can help...http://www.ifolder.com/ifolder</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166852</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>failedlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1258639140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I sort of a dummy with backups (or lazy) and haven't really organized anything properly which is making it a major PITA right now. Thankfully I don't have anything I really need backed up on my PC.</p><p>I've used Rsync and some TAR programs (I've considered CVS for just<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.TXT or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.DOC files) but I find that the info gets spread out over different directories and partitions and drives which creates a huge mess.</p><p>Anyone have recommendations on naming/folder conventions for the super-disorganized. I know there been several<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. threads on this. I'm just hoping a similarly disorganized person can offer some help to a lazy person such as me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I sort of a dummy with backups ( or lazy ) and have n't really organized anything properly which is making it a major PITA right now .
Thankfully I do n't have anything I really need backed up on my PC.I 've used Rsync and some TAR programs ( I 've considered CVS for just .TXT or .DOC files ) but I find that the info gets spread out over different directories and partitions and drives which creates a huge mess.Anyone have recommendations on naming/folder conventions for the super-disorganized .
I know there been several / .
threads on this .
I 'm just hoping a similarly disorganized person can offer some help to a lazy person such as me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I sort of a dummy with backups (or lazy) and haven't really organized anything properly which is making it a major PITA right now.
Thankfully I don't have anything I really need backed up on my PC.I've used Rsync and some TAR programs (I've considered CVS for just .TXT or .DOC files) but I find that the info gets spread out over different directories and partitions and drives which creates a huge mess.Anyone have recommendations on naming/folder conventions for the super-disorganized.
I know there been several /.
threads on this.
I'm just hoping a similarly disorganized person can offer some help to a lazy person such as me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163932</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164666</id>
	<title>Mercurial or Git FTW</title>
	<author>Clith</author>
	<datestamp>1258629000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Use one of the many peer-to-peer file control systems like hg, git or even fossil. It's the obvious way to do it:
<ul>
<li>no central server</li><li>secure</li><li>backed up</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use one of the many peer-to-peer file control systems like hg , git or even fossil .
It 's the obvious way to do it : no central serversecurebacked up</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use one of the many peer-to-peer file control systems like hg, git or even fossil.
It's the obvious way to do it:

no central serversecurebacked up</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167634</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>illumin8</author>
	<datestamp>1258646880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Better yet, Setup ZFS on a opensolaris box, export the ZFS volume as NFS/Samba share or as an iSCSI target, access from Linux,Solaris,Windows etc.</p></div></blockquote><p>None of those protocols were designed to work well over the public internet.  Sure, NFS/SMB/iSCSI are IP protocols but they don't work well over high latency and low bandwidth connections.</p><p>I'm not arguing with your choice of ZFS; I would just look at something more simple like rsync over ssh to a ZFS volume instead of sharing NFS/CIFS/SMB/iSCSI out to the Internet.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Better yet , Setup ZFS on a opensolaris box , export the ZFS volume as NFS/Samba share or as an iSCSI target , access from Linux,Solaris,Windows etc.None of those protocols were designed to work well over the public internet .
Sure , NFS/SMB/iSCSI are IP protocols but they do n't work well over high latency and low bandwidth connections.I 'm not arguing with your choice of ZFS ; I would just look at something more simple like rsync over ssh to a ZFS volume instead of sharing NFS/CIFS/SMB/iSCSI out to the Internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better yet, Setup ZFS on a opensolaris box, export the ZFS volume as NFS/Samba share or as an iSCSI target, access from Linux,Solaris,Windows etc.None of those protocols were designed to work well over the public internet.
Sure, NFS/SMB/iSCSI are IP protocols but they don't work well over high latency and low bandwidth connections.I'm not arguing with your choice of ZFS; I would just look at something more simple like rsync over ssh to a ZFS volume instead of sharing NFS/CIFS/SMB/iSCSI out to the Internet.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164474</id>
	<title>Dropbox, Unison</title>
	<author>kjeldahl</author>
	<datestamp>1258628400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're looking for a commercial hosted solution with limited storage, Dropbox is probably the best product there is right now. Unison also syncs great both ways against a central "master" copy (if you delete a file from \_one\_ child copy, it will get deleted from the master and other children as well), although I have no personal experience with Unison on Windows. It also doesn't come with a fancy UI AFAIK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're looking for a commercial hosted solution with limited storage , Dropbox is probably the best product there is right now .
Unison also syncs great both ways against a central " master " copy ( if you delete a file from \ _one \ _ child copy , it will get deleted from the master and other children as well ) , although I have no personal experience with Unison on Windows .
It also does n't come with a fancy UI AFAIK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're looking for a commercial hosted solution with limited storage, Dropbox is probably the best product there is right now.
Unison also syncs great both ways against a central "master" copy (if you delete a file from \_one\_ child copy, it will get deleted from the master and other children as well), although I have no personal experience with Unison on Windows.
It also doesn't come with a fancy UI AFAIK.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30169278</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>HMage</author>
	<datestamp>1258713300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I support dropbox. It's easy, fast, works on mac, windows and linux plus iphone client and secure web access to the files too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I support dropbox .
It 's easy , fast , works on mac , windows and linux plus iphone client and secure web access to the files too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I support dropbox.
It's easy, fast, works on mac, windows and linux plus iphone client and secure web access to the files too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163954</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163944</id>
	<title>Unison</title>
	<author>samuraiz</author>
	<datestamp>1258626780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like <a href="http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/" title="upenn.edu" rel="nofollow">Unison</a> [upenn.edu] for this sort of thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like Unison [ upenn.edu ] for this sort of thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like Unison [upenn.edu] for this sort of thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166622</id>
	<title>Re:Proven technology</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258637820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a lot faster to use a stylus to make marks in clay. It doesn't become read only until you fire it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a lot faster to use a stylus to make marks in clay .
It does n't become read only until you fire it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a lot faster to use a stylus to make marks in clay.
It doesn't become read only until you fire it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164278</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30168148</id>
	<title>Build a freenas server</title>
	<author>okmijnuhb</author>
	<datestamp>1258652580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>freenas.org <br>
Seems to do everything a synology server does.</htmltext>
<tokenext>freenas.org Seems to do everything a synology server does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>freenas.org 
Seems to do everything a synology server does.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163978</id>
	<title>aaaaaaargh!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258626900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nuff' said.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nuff ' said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nuff' said.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165220</id>
	<title>iFolder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258631340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>its OSS, multi platform and can  be encrypted:<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFolder</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>its OSS , multi platform and can be encrypted : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFolder</tokentext>
<sentencetext>its OSS, multi platform and can  be encrypted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFolder</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164968</id>
	<title>Re:svn</title>
	<author>Simon80</author>
	<datestamp>1258630320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I already use git to manage any files in my home directory that I want to follow me to different machines, as well as to synchronize source code between machines. The OP is highly encouraged to do it this way, you can do the synchronizing over ssh or rsync. Anyone considering cvs or svn for the same thing should use git instead, otherwise they will be stuck syncing from each machine to their cvs/svn server, and not between machines arbitrarily.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I already use git to manage any files in my home directory that I want to follow me to different machines , as well as to synchronize source code between machines .
The OP is highly encouraged to do it this way , you can do the synchronizing over ssh or rsync .
Anyone considering cvs or svn for the same thing should use git instead , otherwise they will be stuck syncing from each machine to their cvs/svn server , and not between machines arbitrarily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I already use git to manage any files in my home directory that I want to follow me to different machines, as well as to synchronize source code between machines.
The OP is highly encouraged to do it this way, you can do the synchronizing over ssh or rsync.
Anyone considering cvs or svn for the same thing should use git instead, otherwise they will be stuck syncing from each machine to their cvs/svn server, and not between machines arbitrarily.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164318</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30179236</id>
	<title>Re:Unison</title>
	<author>ibennetch</author>
	<datestamp>1258719120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The main problem was with resource forks causing a bunch of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.\_foo files, but there's not too much you can do about that if you're copying data from HFS+ to something else</p></div></blockquote><p>Try <tt>rsrc = false</tt> in your unison profile.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The main problem was with resource forks causing a bunch of . \ _foo files , but there 's not too much you can do about that if you 're copying data from HFS + to something elseTry rsrc = false in your unison profile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The main problem was with resource forks causing a bunch of .\_foo files, but there's not too much you can do about that if you're copying data from HFS+ to something elseTry rsrc = false in your unison profile.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165450</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166048</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>localoptimum</author>
	<datestamp>1258634940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed.

I have a desktop and a laptop.  Company "helpdesk" blocks everything except ssh and http.  Work desktop has firewire800 disk attached to it, running time machine for hourly work backups.

I have two bash scripts that I use once per day:  "arriveAtWork" and "goHome", containing various rsync commands over ssh.

Works great.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
I have a desktop and a laptop .
Company " helpdesk " blocks everything except ssh and http .
Work desktop has firewire800 disk attached to it , running time machine for hourly work backups .
I have two bash scripts that I use once per day : " arriveAtWork " and " goHome " , containing various rsync commands over ssh .
Works great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
I have a desktop and a laptop.
Company "helpdesk" blocks everything except ssh and http.
Work desktop has firewire800 disk attached to it, running time machine for hourly work backups.
I have two bash scripts that I use once per day:  "arriveAtWork" and "goHome", containing various rsync commands over ssh.
Works great.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163932</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166172</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258635420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He is using OS X. Apple do not have proper SAMBA support, it's poor, it's old, it's very slow, and it doesn't cope with files over 2GB. Someone asking about trivial file sharing won't be the kind to pull the source, and do the make dance on OS X.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He is using OS X. Apple do not have proper SAMBA support , it 's poor , it 's old , it 's very slow , and it does n't cope with files over 2GB .
Someone asking about trivial file sharing wo n't be the kind to pull the source , and do the make dance on OS X .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He is using OS X. Apple do not have proper SAMBA support, it's poor, it's old, it's very slow, and it doesn't cope with files over 2GB.
Someone asking about trivial file sharing won't be the kind to pull the source, and do the make dance on OS X.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167528</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258645500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yeah, that sounds easy.  why don't you just design your own hardware device, firmware, o/s, and application that can perform it for you?  call it "wondersync", that should be just as easy and you'll own it all!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah , that sounds easy .
why do n't you just design your own hardware device , firmware , o/s , and application that can perform it for you ?
call it " wondersync " , that should be just as easy and you 'll own it all !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah, that sounds easy.
why don't you just design your own hardware device, firmware, o/s, and application that can perform it for you?
call it "wondersync", that should be just as easy and you'll own it all!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163932</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165030</id>
	<title>Windows Domains!</title>
	<author>Gyorg\_Lavode</author>
	<datestamp>1258630560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can tell you what I do.  I have a Windows 2008 SBS that runs a domain.  You should be able to join ubuntu, mac os x, and windows (assuming pro) to it.  I also have a single internal file server.  You can map directories off of it to mount as home directories using NFS and you can map the Windows 2008 SBS data stores to the file server as well.  I'd also enable samba on the file server so you can simply mount the shares when needed.  When you need to access them outside of your network, I'd set up the VPN capabilities of your external router.  Then you can either VPN in to access or you can go through the SBS website to access.  (Of course a static IP and domain help with this.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can tell you what I do .
I have a Windows 2008 SBS that runs a domain .
You should be able to join ubuntu , mac os x , and windows ( assuming pro ) to it .
I also have a single internal file server .
You can map directories off of it to mount as home directories using NFS and you can map the Windows 2008 SBS data stores to the file server as well .
I 'd also enable samba on the file server so you can simply mount the shares when needed .
When you need to access them outside of your network , I 'd set up the VPN capabilities of your external router .
Then you can either VPN in to access or you can go through the SBS website to access .
( Of course a static IP and domain help with this .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can tell you what I do.
I have a Windows 2008 SBS that runs a domain.
You should be able to join ubuntu, mac os x, and windows (assuming pro) to it.
I also have a single internal file server.
You can map directories off of it to mount as home directories using NFS and you can map the Windows 2008 SBS data stores to the file server as well.
I'd also enable samba on the file server so you can simply mount the shares when needed.
When you need to access them outside of your network, I'd set up the VPN capabilities of your external router.
Then you can either VPN in to access or you can go through the SBS website to access.
(Of course a static IP and domain help with this.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166926</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>Scotter</author>
	<datestamp>1258639740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dropbox + encfs is what I did.</p><p>Create an encfs folder within the dropbox folder and everything in it is encrypted locally before going up to the cloud and other machines.</p><p>My encfs portion isn't set to maximum security, but by keeping folder/file names encrypted-but-consistent it updates as fast as dropbox always does.<br>There are resources on the web describing how to set up a repository for minimal dropbox interference.</p><p>Data is secure in the "cloud" and secure on your laptop until you mount the drive.<br>Yes, a stolen laptop could blow away the directory, which may cascade to other machines before you can stop it, but you can "undo" deletions within a limited time-frame.<br>If you're writing a lot of architecture-specific code, you might want to keep your build trees outside the Dropbox.<br>2Gb is MORE than enough for day-to-day work that needs to be shared among machines.</p><p>For files that are more-or-less read-only (music, etc.) ssh/rsync from the master repository less frequently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dropbox + encfs is what I did.Create an encfs folder within the dropbox folder and everything in it is encrypted locally before going up to the cloud and other machines.My encfs portion is n't set to maximum security , but by keeping folder/file names encrypted-but-consistent it updates as fast as dropbox always does.There are resources on the web describing how to set up a repository for minimal dropbox interference.Data is secure in the " cloud " and secure on your laptop until you mount the drive.Yes , a stolen laptop could blow away the directory , which may cascade to other machines before you can stop it , but you can " undo " deletions within a limited time-frame.If you 're writing a lot of architecture-specific code , you might want to keep your build trees outside the Dropbox.2Gb is MORE than enough for day-to-day work that needs to be shared among machines.For files that are more-or-less read-only ( music , etc .
) ssh/rsync from the master repository less frequently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dropbox + encfs is what I did.Create an encfs folder within the dropbox folder and everything in it is encrypted locally before going up to the cloud and other machines.My encfs portion isn't set to maximum security, but by keeping folder/file names encrypted-but-consistent it updates as fast as dropbox always does.There are resources on the web describing how to set up a repository for minimal dropbox interference.Data is secure in the "cloud" and secure on your laptop until you mount the drive.Yes, a stolen laptop could blow away the directory, which may cascade to other machines before you can stop it, but you can "undo" deletions within a limited time-frame.If you're writing a lot of architecture-specific code, you might want to keep your build trees outside the Dropbox.2Gb is MORE than enough for day-to-day work that needs to be shared among machines.For files that are more-or-less read-only (music, etc.
) ssh/rsync from the master repository less frequently.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163954</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164700</id>
	<title>Bacula?</title>
	<author>gblfxt</author>
	<datestamp>1258629120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Set up the linux as a bacula server and put clients on the other systems, maybe a bit overdoing it, but youll have a database of sync data as well!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Set up the linux as a bacula server and put clients on the other systems , maybe a bit overdoing it , but youll have a database of sync data as well !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Set up the linux as a bacula server and put clients on the other systems, maybe a bit overdoing it, but youll have a database of sync data as well!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30168608</id>
	<title>Re:wish USB was tougher</title>
	<author>Massacrifice</author>
	<datestamp>1258657560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've almost put a case USB port on fire because I'd wrongly connected the header on the motherboard and short-circuited it. After a few minutes of my external HDD plugged in but not showing up on the desktop, the computer started to smell bad, but it took another 3 minutes for me to find out what was wrong. When I did, the cable had fused to the USB jack. The motherboard mysteriously died a year later, and then I saw the PSU header having overheat marks, too. Can they make a USB plug that will protect againt one's own stupidity?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've almost put a case USB port on fire because I 'd wrongly connected the header on the motherboard and short-circuited it .
After a few minutes of my external HDD plugged in but not showing up on the desktop , the computer started to smell bad , but it took another 3 minutes for me to find out what was wrong .
When I did , the cable had fused to the USB jack .
The motherboard mysteriously died a year later , and then I saw the PSU header having overheat marks , too .
Can they make a USB plug that will protect againt one 's own stupidity ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've almost put a case USB port on fire because I'd wrongly connected the header on the motherboard and short-circuited it.
After a few minutes of my external HDD plugged in but not showing up on the desktop, the computer started to smell bad, but it took another 3 minutes for me to find out what was wrong.
When I did, the cable had fused to the USB jack.
The motherboard mysteriously died a year later, and then I saw the PSU header having overheat marks, too.
Can they make a USB plug that will protect againt one's own stupidity?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164674</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164610</id>
	<title>Re:wish USB was tougher</title>
	<author>jgtg32a</author>
	<datestamp>1258628820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or make it like the Apple quick release power port</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or make it like the Apple quick release power port</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or make it like the Apple quick release power port</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164030</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165820</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258633860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From another computer just delete (or move elsewhere) all the data in that dropbox account, then unlink the stolen laptop so the thief can't access the web portal.  That's the same thing as a remote wipe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From another computer just delete ( or move elsewhere ) all the data in that dropbox account , then unlink the stolen laptop so the thief ca n't access the web portal .
That 's the same thing as a remote wipe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From another computer just delete (or move elsewhere) all the data in that dropbox account, then unlink the stolen laptop so the thief can't access the web portal.
That's the same thing as a remote wipe.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30169068</id>
	<title>My solution...</title>
	<author>bradley13</author>
	<datestamp>1258710960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have much the same problem. Here is my solution:

</p><p>First: Unison is a good, cross-platform solution. There are two important things to be aware of with Unison: first, use a star-configuration. Something should be the master, and this master is then synchronized with each client. In my case, the master is a USB stick that I always have with me. The second thing is: set Unison to filter out unnecessary stuff. For example, configuration files that apply to specific platforms.

</p><p>I don't recommend it, but you can also use Unison to synchronize source code - if you do this, you will need to set more filters. For example, Eclipse stores lots and lots of files that you never want to see - and certainly don't want to synchronize.

</p><p>A much better solution is to put your source code in a subversion repository and synchronize the clients with this repository as necessary.

So two parts: SVN (or CVS) for code, and Unison for everything else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have much the same problem .
Here is my solution : First : Unison is a good , cross-platform solution .
There are two important things to be aware of with Unison : first , use a star-configuration .
Something should be the master , and this master is then synchronized with each client .
In my case , the master is a USB stick that I always have with me .
The second thing is : set Unison to filter out unnecessary stuff .
For example , configuration files that apply to specific platforms .
I do n't recommend it , but you can also use Unison to synchronize source code - if you do this , you will need to set more filters .
For example , Eclipse stores lots and lots of files that you never want to see - and certainly do n't want to synchronize .
A much better solution is to put your source code in a subversion repository and synchronize the clients with this repository as necessary .
So two parts : SVN ( or CVS ) for code , and Unison for everything else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have much the same problem.
Here is my solution:

First: Unison is a good, cross-platform solution.
There are two important things to be aware of with Unison: first, use a star-configuration.
Something should be the master, and this master is then synchronized with each client.
In my case, the master is a USB stick that I always have with me.
The second thing is: set Unison to filter out unnecessary stuff.
For example, configuration files that apply to specific platforms.
I don't recommend it, but you can also use Unison to synchronize source code - if you do this, you will need to set more filters.
For example, Eclipse stores lots and lots of files that you never want to see - and certainly don't want to synchronize.
A much better solution is to put your source code in a subversion repository and synchronize the clients with this repository as necessary.
So two parts: SVN (or CVS) for code, and Unison for everything else.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165078</id>
	<title>ExpanDrive + SSH, ftw</title>
	<author>gravyface</author>
	<datestamp>1258630740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does JungleDisk provide SSH access to your data?  ExpanDrive easily mounts S/FTP, SSH, etc. in Windows (as a mapped drive) and Mac (as a mount point in Finder).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does JungleDisk provide SSH access to your data ?
ExpanDrive easily mounts S/FTP , SSH , etc .
in Windows ( as a mapped drive ) and Mac ( as a mount point in Finder ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does JungleDisk provide SSH access to your data?
ExpanDrive easily mounts S/FTP, SSH, etc.
in Windows (as a mapped drive) and Mac (as a mount point in Finder).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164634</id>
	<title>Dropbox</title>
	<author>PhunkySchtuff</author>
	<datestamp>1258628880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/" title="dropbox.com">https://www.dropbox.com/</a> [dropbox.com]</p><p>"Free for Windows, Mac, and Linux"</p><p>Creates a folder that is kept in sync between different computers. You can share files with other dropbox users too via shared folders. 2GB or so of space is free. It also keeps multiple versions of files so you can go back to a previous version of a file if you need to.</p><p>I don't have any affiliation with the company, other than being a satisfied user.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>https : //www.dropbox.com/ [ dropbox.com ] " Free for Windows , Mac , and Linux " Creates a folder that is kept in sync between different computers .
You can share files with other dropbox users too via shared folders .
2GB or so of space is free .
It also keeps multiple versions of files so you can go back to a previous version of a file if you need to.I do n't have any affiliation with the company , other than being a satisfied user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>https://www.dropbox.com/ [dropbox.com]"Free for Windows, Mac, and Linux"Creates a folder that is kept in sync between different computers.
You can share files with other dropbox users too via shared folders.
2GB or so of space is free.
It also keeps multiple versions of files so you can go back to a previous version of a file if you need to.I don't have any affiliation with the company, other than being a satisfied user.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164058</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258627080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Absolutely, its the most amazing service unless you need gobs and gobs of space its very good</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolutely , its the most amazing service unless you need gobs and gobs of space its very good</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolutely, its the most amazing service unless you need gobs and gobs of space its very good</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163954</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167510</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258645260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Simple? Just set up ZPS on an Opensolaris box?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Simple ?
Just set up ZPS on an Opensolaris box ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simple?
Just set up ZPS on an Opensolaris box?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165378</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258631880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seventh'd... Dropbox.  Solves all problems with minimal administration burden.  Plus having Web Access (and iPhone now) to my data has saved my ass more times than I can count.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seventh 'd... Dropbox. Solves all problems with minimal administration burden .
Plus having Web Access ( and iPhone now ) to my data has saved my ass more times than I can count .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seventh'd... Dropbox.  Solves all problems with minimal administration burden.
Plus having Web Access (and iPhone now) to my data has saved my ass more times than I can count.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163954</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165594</id>
	<title>ZFer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258632900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use ZFer. http://zfer.net<br>I got invited to the beta and it's very easy to use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use ZFer .
http : //zfer.netI got invited to the beta and it 's very easy to use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use ZFer.
http://zfer.netI got invited to the beta and it's very easy to use.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166990</id>
	<title>Re:Distributed version control</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258640220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you really tried it? Last time I tried, Mercurial died with files over 10 megabytes in size.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you really tried it ?
Last time I tried , Mercurial died with files over 10 megabytes in size .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you really tried it?
Last time I tried, Mercurial died with files over 10 megabytes in size.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165216</id>
	<title>Traditional backup not always possible</title>
	<author>Temujin\_12</author>
	<datestamp>1258631340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On a somewhat related note, my wife recently gave up on backing up to a different medium all together and now just builds backup into her work flow. She is a photographer and takes 50,000+ digital photos a year (in raw TIFF format). Each file is ~70MB so she requires several terabytes of storage. Loosing these images is unacceptable (ie: would result in a financial loss) and ripping to DVD for backup is simply impossible (would require a full time job in and of itself).</p><p>So she builds backup into her work flow such that at any one point in time she has at least one copy of the image spread across multiple drives. In the work flow, photos go from raw TIFF -&gt; PSD pre-proccess -&gt; PSD final -&gt; JPEG for online viewing and she uses different drives for each stage in the process. That way, if a drive goes out, she only looses time, not data. For data retention requirements (~2-3 years), she just has ~10 TB of storage and rotates files from older jobs out onto other drives (spreading across 3 - drives as per the work flow).</p><p>Of course if something catastrophic were to happen to cause all of the drives to die (since they are all in the same location) then files would be lost, but that's what insurance is for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On a somewhat related note , my wife recently gave up on backing up to a different medium all together and now just builds backup into her work flow .
She is a photographer and takes 50,000 + digital photos a year ( in raw TIFF format ) .
Each file is ~ 70MB so she requires several terabytes of storage .
Loosing these images is unacceptable ( ie : would result in a financial loss ) and ripping to DVD for backup is simply impossible ( would require a full time job in and of itself ) .So she builds backup into her work flow such that at any one point in time she has at least one copy of the image spread across multiple drives .
In the work flow , photos go from raw TIFF - &gt; PSD pre-proccess - &gt; PSD final - &gt; JPEG for online viewing and she uses different drives for each stage in the process .
That way , if a drive goes out , she only looses time , not data .
For data retention requirements ( ~ 2-3 years ) , she just has ~ 10 TB of storage and rotates files from older jobs out onto other drives ( spreading across 3 - drives as per the work flow ) .Of course if something catastrophic were to happen to cause all of the drives to die ( since they are all in the same location ) then files would be lost , but that 's what insurance is for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On a somewhat related note, my wife recently gave up on backing up to a different medium all together and now just builds backup into her work flow.
She is a photographer and takes 50,000+ digital photos a year (in raw TIFF format).
Each file is ~70MB so she requires several terabytes of storage.
Loosing these images is unacceptable (ie: would result in a financial loss) and ripping to DVD for backup is simply impossible (would require a full time job in and of itself).So she builds backup into her work flow such that at any one point in time she has at least one copy of the image spread across multiple drives.
In the work flow, photos go from raw TIFF -&gt; PSD pre-proccess -&gt; PSD final -&gt; JPEG for online viewing and she uses different drives for each stage in the process.
That way, if a drive goes out, she only looses time, not data.
For data retention requirements (~2-3 years), she just has ~10 TB of storage and rotates files from older jobs out onto other drives (spreading across 3 - drives as per the work flow).Of course if something catastrophic were to happen to cause all of the drives to die (since they are all in the same location) then files would be lost, but that's what insurance is for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165296</id>
	<title>AFS space?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258631640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Set up your own AFS cell.  There are clients for all the above, and you could resell it to other slashdot readers to lower the costs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Set up your own AFS cell .
There are clients for all the above , and you could resell it to other slashdot readers to lower the costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Set up your own AFS cell.
There are clients for all the above, and you could resell it to other slashdot readers to lower the costs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164566</id>
	<title>Re:Unison</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258628700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This.</p><p>It's also extremely useful to upload your website (assuming you can ssh to the server) through the narrow upstream bandwidth often available as it will only transfer differences between your local copy an the server. And if something is moved locally, it will detect it and also move it on the other side instead of sending it again.</p><p>It feels a bit like magic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This.It 's also extremely useful to upload your website ( assuming you can ssh to the server ) through the narrow upstream bandwidth often available as it will only transfer differences between your local copy an the server .
And if something is moved locally , it will detect it and also move it on the other side instead of sending it again.It feels a bit like magic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This.It's also extremely useful to upload your website (assuming you can ssh to the server) through the narrow upstream bandwidth often available as it will only transfer differences between your local copy an the server.
And if something is moved locally, it will detect it and also move it on the other side instead of sending it again.It feels a bit like magic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165190</id>
	<title>Re:Unison</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1258631220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you can use more than 2 sources of documents, but you basically need to treat one server as your master.  So if I have 4 computers, I think I can pick 1 computer as the master and sync the other 3 with it, which will keep all 4 in sync.
</p><p>You have some choices in handling resolution.  I don't know what it checks to determine when a file has been changed, but it keeps some kind of database to keep track of which files have been synced where.  During a normal sync, it compares the changes since the last sync and updates the other source to match.  In cases where both sources have been changed since the last sync, it will ask you which file you'd like to keep.  If you want, you can tell it to "prefer" one of the sources, and it will resolve conflicts in favor of the preferred source if both files have been updated, or you can tell it to "force" one of the sources, in which case any conflicts are resolved in favor of that source no matter what.
</p><p>I use Unison to sync my laptop and desktop, and I tell it to prefer my laptop.  But then my desktop is a Mac and I have Time Machine running, so even if I "hose myself", it just means hunting down the lost files in Time Machine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you can use more than 2 sources of documents , but you basically need to treat one server as your master .
So if I have 4 computers , I think I can pick 1 computer as the master and sync the other 3 with it , which will keep all 4 in sync .
You have some choices in handling resolution .
I do n't know what it checks to determine when a file has been changed , but it keeps some kind of database to keep track of which files have been synced where .
During a normal sync , it compares the changes since the last sync and updates the other source to match .
In cases where both sources have been changed since the last sync , it will ask you which file you 'd like to keep .
If you want , you can tell it to " prefer " one of the sources , and it will resolve conflicts in favor of the preferred source if both files have been updated , or you can tell it to " force " one of the sources , in which case any conflicts are resolved in favor of that source no matter what .
I use Unison to sync my laptop and desktop , and I tell it to prefer my laptop .
But then my desktop is a Mac and I have Time Machine running , so even if I " hose myself " , it just means hunting down the lost files in Time Machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you can use more than 2 sources of documents, but you basically need to treat one server as your master.
So if I have 4 computers, I think I can pick 1 computer as the master and sync the other 3 with it, which will keep all 4 in sync.
You have some choices in handling resolution.
I don't know what it checks to determine when a file has been changed, but it keeps some kind of database to keep track of which files have been synced where.
During a normal sync, it compares the changes since the last sync and updates the other source to match.
In cases where both sources have been changed since the last sync, it will ask you which file you'd like to keep.
If you want, you can tell it to "prefer" one of the sources, and it will resolve conflicts in favor of the preferred source if both files have been updated, or you can tell it to "force" one of the sources, in which case any conflicts are resolved in favor of that source no matter what.
I use Unison to sync my laptop and desktop, and I tell it to prefer my laptop.
But then my desktop is a Mac and I have Time Machine running, so even if I "hose myself", it just means hunting down the lost files in Time Machine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167326</id>
	<title>Folder Redirection onto Mac SMB Share</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258643220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Folder Redirection on Windows XP (definitely on Pro - not sure about Home) works incredibly well with SMB shares.  Consider exporting a share from your Mac - it and Windows can work offline any time, and when they can connect sync will be fast and automatic.  No new software to install or buy.</p><p>Then set up sync between Ubuntu and Mac - multiple options, including rsync and Unison.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Folder Redirection on Windows XP ( definitely on Pro - not sure about Home ) works incredibly well with SMB shares .
Consider exporting a share from your Mac - it and Windows can work offline any time , and when they can connect sync will be fast and automatic .
No new software to install or buy.Then set up sync between Ubuntu and Mac - multiple options , including rsync and Unison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Folder Redirection on Windows XP (definitely on Pro - not sure about Home) works incredibly well with SMB shares.
Consider exporting a share from your Mac - it and Windows can work offline any time, and when they can connect sync will be fast and automatic.
No new software to install or buy.Then set up sync between Ubuntu and Mac - multiple options, including rsync and Unison.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165386</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258631880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>www.dropbox.com</p></div><p>I was going to suggest dropbox but someone beat me to it!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...You might also consider an online host for your SVN repository, I used to store SVN under the Dropbox sync'd folder but there's still the hastle of setting everything up when you switch to a new PC. The one I use is http://www.webfaction.com</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>www.dropbox.comI was going to suggest dropbox but someone beat me to it !
...You might also consider an online host for your SVN repository , I used to store SVN under the Dropbox sync 'd folder but there 's still the hastle of setting everything up when you switch to a new PC .
The one I use is http : //www.webfaction.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>www.dropbox.comI was going to suggest dropbox but someone beat me to it!
...You might also consider an online host for your SVN repository, I used to store SVN under the Dropbox sync'd folder but there's still the hastle of setting everything up when you switch to a new PC.
The one I use is http://www.webfaction.com
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30169344</id>
	<title>Re:wish USB was tougher</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258714200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes - a good example of a fragile connector.

Even though the MagSafe connector sounds like a good idea in theory, in practice it has enormous problems making me hope Apple had equipped this mid-2007 MacBook with a normal  power plug. At least once in month I have to clean both the socket and the plug, and still I have charging problems if I don't fit the connector just in the right way to the socket.

My ten year old Dell laptop hasn't had any charging problems to this date, and I still use the original battery provided with the laptop. My MacBook is on it's second battery and third power adapter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes - a good example of a fragile connector .
Even though the MagSafe connector sounds like a good idea in theory , in practice it has enormous problems making me hope Apple had equipped this mid-2007 MacBook with a normal power plug .
At least once in month I have to clean both the socket and the plug , and still I have charging problems if I do n't fit the connector just in the right way to the socket .
My ten year old Dell laptop has n't had any charging problems to this date , and I still use the original battery provided with the laptop .
My MacBook is on it 's second battery and third power adapter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes - a good example of a fragile connector.
Even though the MagSafe connector sounds like a good idea in theory, in practice it has enormous problems making me hope Apple had equipped this mid-2007 MacBook with a normal  power plug.
At least once in month I have to clean both the socket and the plug, and still I have charging problems if I don't fit the connector just in the right way to the socket.
My ten year old Dell laptop hasn't had any charging problems to this date, and I still use the original battery provided with the laptop.
My MacBook is on it's second battery and third power adapter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166086</id>
	<title>AFS All the way</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258635060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I do this now with AFS... works great.  with a little effort, you can even get it working with portable home directories on the Mac, and Roming profiles on windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do this now with AFS... works great .
with a little effort , you can even get it working with portable home directories on the Mac , and Roming profiles on windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do this now with AFS... works great.
with a little effort, you can even get it working with portable home directories on the Mac, and Roming profiles on windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30169072</id>
	<title>Don't buy a fragile USB stick!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258711020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason USB sticks are so fragile is because people tend to prefer sticks which are more GB per dollar.</p><p>If you want a sturdy USB stick you got to pay the money for it. There are good options for consumer-grade disks and dongles, in addition there are military-grade usb sticks (though I have no idea if it is possible to get them in the USA).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason USB sticks are so fragile is because people tend to prefer sticks which are more GB per dollar.If you want a sturdy USB stick you got to pay the money for it .
There are good options for consumer-grade disks and dongles , in addition there are military-grade usb sticks ( though I have no idea if it is possible to get them in the USA ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason USB sticks are so fragile is because people tend to prefer sticks which are more GB per dollar.If you want a sturdy USB stick you got to pay the money for it.
There are good options for consumer-grade disks and dongles, in addition there are military-grade usb sticks (though I have no idea if it is possible to get them in the USA).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165450</id>
	<title>Re:Unison</title>
	<author>coaxial</author>
	<datestamp>1258632180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, unison is great.  I used unison for several years to sync machines.  It worked great for linux-linux, and seemed to mostly work for linux-mac/mac-linux syncs as well.  The main problem was with resource forks causing a bunch of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.\_foo files, but there's not too much you can do about that if you're copying data from HFS+ to something else.  It's been a while since I used unison (I gave up my desktop, and now only use a laptop.), but seems like unison has the ability to actually merge files by fire off something like <a href="http://meld.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">meld</a> [sourceforge.net] to resolve conflicts.  That's a big win.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , unison is great .
I used unison for several years to sync machines .
It worked great for linux-linux , and seemed to mostly work for linux-mac/mac-linux syncs as well .
The main problem was with resource forks causing a bunch of . \ _foo files , but there 's not too much you can do about that if you 're copying data from HFS + to something else .
It 's been a while since I used unison ( I gave up my desktop , and now only use a laptop .
) , but seems like unison has the ability to actually merge files by fire off something like meld [ sourceforge.net ] to resolve conflicts .
That 's a big win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, unison is great.
I used unison for several years to sync machines.
It worked great for linux-linux, and seemed to mostly work for linux-mac/mac-linux syncs as well.
The main problem was with resource forks causing a bunch of .\_foo files, but there's not too much you can do about that if you're copying data from HFS+ to something else.
It's been a while since I used unison (I gave up my desktop, and now only use a laptop.
), but seems like unison has the ability to actually merge files by fire off something like meld [sourceforge.net] to resolve conflicts.
That's a big win.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167140</id>
	<title>Re:Unison</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258641420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rsync has many options, which you can apply to amazing ends if you become an rsync wizard. Before I explain some of them, consider that setting up a CVS or SVN repo behind SSH might be the easiest thing to manage "some openoffice files, latex, and sourcecode".  I even use CVS to manage my own calendar files.</p><p>With rsync you can use timestamps and -u (update) mode to only transfer from A to B if A is newer.  You can run once in each direction to transfer a sparse mixture of files you have modified at either site.  You lose if both sites are "newer" than the last sync time, as you will not detect a conflict.</p><p>With rsync -n (no modification) you can simulate a transfer, review the affected file list, and intervene with special cases before you let it destroy data.  With --exclude and --include patterns, you can selectively copy only certain files you wanted from a complex tree.</p><p>You are playing with fire if you do any of this without a backup system which can allow you to recover from an rsync mistake.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rsync has many options , which you can apply to amazing ends if you become an rsync wizard .
Before I explain some of them , consider that setting up a CVS or SVN repo behind SSH might be the easiest thing to manage " some openoffice files , latex , and sourcecode " .
I even use CVS to manage my own calendar files.With rsync you can use timestamps and -u ( update ) mode to only transfer from A to B if A is newer .
You can run once in each direction to transfer a sparse mixture of files you have modified at either site .
You lose if both sites are " newer " than the last sync time , as you will not detect a conflict.With rsync -n ( no modification ) you can simulate a transfer , review the affected file list , and intervene with special cases before you let it destroy data .
With --exclude and --include patterns , you can selectively copy only certain files you wanted from a complex tree.You are playing with fire if you do any of this without a backup system which can allow you to recover from an rsync mistake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rsync has many options, which you can apply to amazing ends if you become an rsync wizard.
Before I explain some of them, consider that setting up a CVS or SVN repo behind SSH might be the easiest thing to manage "some openoffice files, latex, and sourcecode".
I even use CVS to manage my own calendar files.With rsync you can use timestamps and -u (update) mode to only transfer from A to B if A is newer.
You can run once in each direction to transfer a sparse mixture of files you have modified at either site.
You lose if both sites are "newer" than the last sync time, as you will not detect a conflict.With rsync -n (no modification) you can simulate a transfer, review the affected file list, and intervene with special cases before you let it destroy data.
With --exclude and --include patterns, you can selectively copy only certain files you wanted from a complex tree.You are playing with fire if you do any of this without a backup system which can allow you to recover from an rsync mistake.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30168350</id>
	<title>Why do you need to backup the gaming box?</title>
	<author>ajlisows</author>
	<datestamp>1258654800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know this isn't particularily helpful, but if your Windows XP machine is just a gaming box, why do you need to back it up or have it share data with the other boxes?  If you are worried about the drive crashing and having to reload windows and all of your games why not just toss an external hard drive on it, take an image, and put it away until your drive crashes.  You are taking one OS out of the equation that way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this is n't particularily helpful , but if your Windows XP machine is just a gaming box , why do you need to back it up or have it share data with the other boxes ?
If you are worried about the drive crashing and having to reload windows and all of your games why not just toss an external hard drive on it , take an image , and put it away until your drive crashes .
You are taking one OS out of the equation that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this isn't particularily helpful, but if your Windows XP machine is just a gaming box, why do you need to back it up or have it share data with the other boxes?
If you are worried about the drive crashing and having to reload windows and all of your games why not just toss an external hard drive on it, take an image, and put it away until your drive crashes.
You are taking one OS out of the equation that way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30169820</id>
	<title>XP-dev</title>
	<author>ksp</author>
	<datestamp>1258721640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Strange nobody mentioned this service:<br><a href="http://www.xp-dev.com/" title="xp-dev.com">http://www.xp-dev.com/</a> [xp-dev.com]</p><p>Subversion repository, 200MB free (should be enough for a few personal files) and lots more if you pay.<br>HTTPS support for SVN for paying customers.</p><p>Lots of extra stuff (bug tracking, wiki etc) if you are a developer.</p><p>No affilitation, just a happy customer!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Strange nobody mentioned this service : http : //www.xp-dev.com/ [ xp-dev.com ] Subversion repository , 200MB free ( should be enough for a few personal files ) and lots more if you pay.HTTPS support for SVN for paying customers.Lots of extra stuff ( bug tracking , wiki etc ) if you are a developer.No affilitation , just a happy customer !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Strange nobody mentioned this service:http://www.xp-dev.com/ [xp-dev.com]Subversion repository, 200MB free (should be enough for a few personal files) and lots more if you pay.HTTPS support for SVN for paying customers.Lots of extra stuff (bug tracking, wiki etc) if you are a developer.No affilitation, just a happy customer!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165392</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1258631880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's also the question of whether you really want to store things online.  If I want to sync a few MBs of documents, syncing over the Internet to a server might be fine.  On the other hand, if I want to keep 100 GB synced between two computers on the same network, pushing that over a 512k Internet connection just to download it again might be less than ideal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's also the question of whether you really want to store things online .
If I want to sync a few MBs of documents , syncing over the Internet to a server might be fine .
On the other hand , if I want to keep 100 GB synced between two computers on the same network , pushing that over a 512k Internet connection just to download it again might be less than ideal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's also the question of whether you really want to store things online.
If I want to sync a few MBs of documents, syncing over the Internet to a server might be fine.
On the other hand, if I want to keep 100 GB synced between two computers on the same network, pushing that over a 512k Internet connection just to download it again might be less than ideal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164724</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165474</id>
	<title>You Might Try SpiderOak</title>
	<author>uninet</author>
	<datestamp>1258632240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've tried Dropbox and SpiderOak. I think I've settled on SpiderOak for now, since it is cheaper per MB and offers really nice, granular controls. For example, I can sync specific sets of data between different computers and backup some computers without syncing them to others at all (unlike Dropbox which syncs everything to everyone). Like Dropbox, you get 2GB free with no purchase necessary and the client automatically encrypts data in such a way that allegedly the company cannot decrypt it without you providing them with your password. It also counts your quota against the size of your data once it has been "deduplicated" rather than before (Dropbox does it before).</p><p>As an added bonus, while the client takes more resources when sending data (since it encrypts it on the client side), it idles much lower -- virtually at 0\% processor usage -- than Dropbox, I found.</p><p>Of course, giving a <a href="https://spideroak.com/download/referral/82297923e16c5deb74daccdf9dc36fa1" title="spideroak.com">referral link</a> [spideroak.com] is mandatory, right? This <a href="https://spideroak.com/download/referral/82297923e16c5deb74daccdf9dc36fa1" title="spideroak.com">link</a> [spideroak.com] provides both you and me with an extra gig of free space.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've tried Dropbox and SpiderOak .
I think I 've settled on SpiderOak for now , since it is cheaper per MB and offers really nice , granular controls .
For example , I can sync specific sets of data between different computers and backup some computers without syncing them to others at all ( unlike Dropbox which syncs everything to everyone ) .
Like Dropbox , you get 2GB free with no purchase necessary and the client automatically encrypts data in such a way that allegedly the company can not decrypt it without you providing them with your password .
It also counts your quota against the size of your data once it has been " deduplicated " rather than before ( Dropbox does it before ) .As an added bonus , while the client takes more resources when sending data ( since it encrypts it on the client side ) , it idles much lower -- virtually at 0 \ % processor usage -- than Dropbox , I found.Of course , giving a referral link [ spideroak.com ] is mandatory , right ?
This link [ spideroak.com ] provides both you and me with an extra gig of free space .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've tried Dropbox and SpiderOak.
I think I've settled on SpiderOak for now, since it is cheaper per MB and offers really nice, granular controls.
For example, I can sync specific sets of data between different computers and backup some computers without syncing them to others at all (unlike Dropbox which syncs everything to everyone).
Like Dropbox, you get 2GB free with no purchase necessary and the client automatically encrypts data in such a way that allegedly the company cannot decrypt it without you providing them with your password.
It also counts your quota against the size of your data once it has been "deduplicated" rather than before (Dropbox does it before).As an added bonus, while the client takes more resources when sending data (since it encrypts it on the client side), it idles much lower -- virtually at 0\% processor usage -- than Dropbox, I found.Of course, giving a referral link [spideroak.com] is mandatory, right?
This link [spideroak.com] provides both you and me with an extra gig of free space.
:-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166816</id>
	<title>what I do</title>
	<author>tverbeek</author>
	<datestamp>1258638900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use a similar mix of OSes and devices.  I don't have a serious <i>strategy</i> for keeping files in synch between them, but what I do works pretty well.  First, I have a Linux box running Samba which is the official "home" for all data; OS X, Windows, and Linux can all access this anywhere around the house.  For stuff I'm working on that I know I'll want to access away from home, I use my MobileMe account; OS X knows how to use the iDisk natively, and there's a utility to map a Windows drive letter to it (but without background synching, damnit).  (A Linux laptop should be able to access the iDisk through WebDAV, but I haven't had a reason to try that.)  For files I didn't know I'd want on the road, there's always SFTP back to the Linux server.  I manually copy files from the iDisk to the server every few days... like I said, it's mostly for active projects.  For semi-remote backup, the server "cp -dupR"s files nightly to a wifi-connected little Linux box with a big disk, tucked away in the basement, and the Macs use my Time Capsule, mostly for their software (the Aperture and iTunes libraries are on the file server).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a similar mix of OSes and devices .
I do n't have a serious strategy for keeping files in synch between them , but what I do works pretty well .
First , I have a Linux box running Samba which is the official " home " for all data ; OS X , Windows , and Linux can all access this anywhere around the house .
For stuff I 'm working on that I know I 'll want to access away from home , I use my MobileMe account ; OS X knows how to use the iDisk natively , and there 's a utility to map a Windows drive letter to it ( but without background synching , damnit ) .
( A Linux laptop should be able to access the iDisk through WebDAV , but I have n't had a reason to try that .
) For files I did n't know I 'd want on the road , there 's always SFTP back to the Linux server .
I manually copy files from the iDisk to the server every few days... like I said , it 's mostly for active projects .
For semi-remote backup , the server " cp -dupR " s files nightly to a wifi-connected little Linux box with a big disk , tucked away in the basement , and the Macs use my Time Capsule , mostly for their software ( the Aperture and iTunes libraries are on the file server ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a similar mix of OSes and devices.
I don't have a serious strategy for keeping files in synch between them, but what I do works pretty well.
First, I have a Linux box running Samba which is the official "home" for all data; OS X, Windows, and Linux can all access this anywhere around the house.
For stuff I'm working on that I know I'll want to access away from home, I use my MobileMe account; OS X knows how to use the iDisk natively, and there's a utility to map a Windows drive letter to it (but without background synching, damnit).
(A Linux laptop should be able to access the iDisk through WebDAV, but I haven't had a reason to try that.
)  For files I didn't know I'd want on the road, there's always SFTP back to the Linux server.
I manually copy files from the iDisk to the server every few days... like I said, it's mostly for active projects.
For semi-remote backup, the server "cp -dupR"s files nightly to a wifi-connected little Linux box with a big disk, tucked away in the basement, and the Macs use my Time Capsule, mostly for their software (the Aperture and iTunes libraries are on the file server).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167164</id>
	<title>DropBox</title>
	<author>SlightOverdose</author>
	<datestamp>1258641660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use DropBox for this between work and home, and it's fantastic.</p><p>That said, I don't believe it supports encryption (But it's a commonly requested feature, and they are generally quick to respond to demand so it's probably in the works).</p><p>My plan B would be an rsync server sitting in a colo somewhere. I'm sure you could find automated dropbox style clients that would work with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use DropBox for this between work and home , and it 's fantastic.That said , I do n't believe it supports encryption ( But it 's a commonly requested feature , and they are generally quick to respond to demand so it 's probably in the works ) .My plan B would be an rsync server sitting in a colo somewhere .
I 'm sure you could find automated dropbox style clients that would work with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use DropBox for this between work and home, and it's fantastic.That said, I don't believe it supports encryption (But it's a commonly requested feature, and they are generally quick to respond to demand so it's probably in the works).My plan B would be an rsync server sitting in a colo somewhere.
I'm sure you could find automated dropbox style clients that would work with it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30169378</id>
	<title>One multiboot machine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258714620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Put all three operating systems on one computer and use a data partition shared among them. That is what I do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Put all three operating systems on one computer and use a data partition shared among them .
That is what I do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Put all three operating systems on one computer and use a data partition shared among them.
That is what I do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164616</id>
	<title>Too Fragile?</title>
	<author>b0bby</author>
	<datestamp>1258628820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If USB sticks seem too fragile for you, you could try an SD card in a USB adapter - slightly larger, but easy to swap the SD card out if the USB connector gets broken. Decent SD cards should last a long time for just moving data around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If USB sticks seem too fragile for you , you could try an SD card in a USB adapter - slightly larger , but easy to swap the SD card out if the USB connector gets broken .
Decent SD cards should last a long time for just moving data around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If USB sticks seem too fragile for you, you could try an SD card in a USB adapter - slightly larger, but easy to swap the SD card out if the USB connector gets broken.
Decent SD cards should last a long time for just moving data around.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165046</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258630620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.buffalotech.com/products/network-storage/linkstation/linkstation-quad/<br>Buffalo makes an incredible network storage device.  Its tiny, you can hide it in your house incase someone steals your computers, it also has all of the following (copied from the webpage above).  Money well spent.  (I love the print server feature):<br>
&nbsp; Simplified File Sharing on Your Home or Small Office Network<br>
&nbsp; Easy Setup Does Not Require Drivers<br>
&nbsp; BitTorrent client for all of your file sharing needs<br>
&nbsp; Seamlessly Integrates with iTunes&#174;  and Allows you to Access your Music Files on the LinkStation from Your iTunes Software<br>
&nbsp; Access all your files via any Web browser from Anywhere<br>
&nbsp; Built-in DLNA CERTIFIED server for easy playback of multimedia files to any DLNA CERTIFIED device<br>
&nbsp; Protect Data by Restricting Access With Group and User Level Security<br>
&nbsp; Built-in Print Server to Print Files from Anywhere on your Network. Multi-function printers not supported. Works in Windows only.<br>
&nbsp; Direct Copy Feature Allows you to Quickly and Easily Transfer Photos from a Digital Camera Directly to a LinkStation<br>
&nbsp; Expand Storage by Adding a USB Hard Drive<br>
&nbsp; Scheduled Backup via USB 2.0 to External Storage<br>
&nbsp; Support for Time Machine Functionality<br>
&nbsp; Memeo AutoBackup Software for PCs and Macs Included<br>
&nbsp; RAID 0 (Striping), RAID 1 (Mirroring), RAID 5 (Parity) and RAID 10 (Striped Mirrors)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.buffalotech.com/products/network-storage/linkstation/linkstation-quad/Buffalo makes an incredible network storage device .
Its tiny , you can hide it in your house incase someone steals your computers , it also has all of the following ( copied from the webpage above ) .
Money well spent .
( I love the print server feature ) :   Simplified File Sharing on Your Home or Small Office Network   Easy Setup Does Not Require Drivers   BitTorrent client for all of your file sharing needs   Seamlessly Integrates with iTunes   and Allows you to Access your Music Files on the LinkStation from Your iTunes Software   Access all your files via any Web browser from Anywhere   Built-in DLNA CERTIFIED server for easy playback of multimedia files to any DLNA CERTIFIED device   Protect Data by Restricting Access With Group and User Level Security   Built-in Print Server to Print Files from Anywhere on your Network .
Multi-function printers not supported .
Works in Windows only .
  Direct Copy Feature Allows you to Quickly and Easily Transfer Photos from a Digital Camera Directly to a LinkStation   Expand Storage by Adding a USB Hard Drive   Scheduled Backup via USB 2.0 to External Storage   Support for Time Machine Functionality   Memeo AutoBackup Software for PCs and Macs Included   RAID 0 ( Striping ) , RAID 1 ( Mirroring ) , RAID 5 ( Parity ) and RAID 10 ( Striped Mirrors )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.buffalotech.com/products/network-storage/linkstation/linkstation-quad/Buffalo makes an incredible network storage device.
Its tiny, you can hide it in your house incase someone steals your computers, it also has all of the following (copied from the webpage above).
Money well spent.
(I love the print server feature):
  Simplified File Sharing on Your Home or Small Office Network
  Easy Setup Does Not Require Drivers
  BitTorrent client for all of your file sharing needs
  Seamlessly Integrates with iTunes®  and Allows you to Access your Music Files on the LinkStation from Your iTunes Software
  Access all your files via any Web browser from Anywhere
  Built-in DLNA CERTIFIED server for easy playback of multimedia files to any DLNA CERTIFIED device
  Protect Data by Restricting Access With Group and User Level Security
  Built-in Print Server to Print Files from Anywhere on your Network.
Multi-function printers not supported.
Works in Windows only.
  Direct Copy Feature Allows you to Quickly and Easily Transfer Photos from a Digital Camera Directly to a LinkStation
  Expand Storage by Adding a USB Hard Drive
  Scheduled Backup via USB 2.0 to External Storage
  Support for Time Machine Functionality
  Memeo AutoBackup Software for PCs and Macs Included
  RAID 0 (Striping), RAID 1 (Mirroring), RAID 5 (Parity) and RAID 10 (Striped Mirrors)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30169100</id>
	<title>http://getdropbox.com/</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258711260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been using dropbox for past 8-10 months in a similar scenario and it has worked for me very well. I have a server machine at home on Debian etch, my workstation is on Ubuntu 8.04 and my laptop is on OSX with dual boot on Ubuntu 9.10<br>With a single account i am able to sync files across all these machines. The beauty is once you have installed it, you don't have to do anything to sync. All of the sync occurs automatically moment you save the files. Disadvantage is, it has it's own folder that it syncs up on and you need to manually copy or mange the files within that folder. I ended up creating a lot of 'soft links' to handle this.</p><p>Another advantage was I could share certain files/folders with my colleagues and and another set with my wife without any hassle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been using dropbox for past 8-10 months in a similar scenario and it has worked for me very well .
I have a server machine at home on Debian etch , my workstation is on Ubuntu 8.04 and my laptop is on OSX with dual boot on Ubuntu 9.10With a single account i am able to sync files across all these machines .
The beauty is once you have installed it , you do n't have to do anything to sync .
All of the sync occurs automatically moment you save the files .
Disadvantage is , it has it 's own folder that it syncs up on and you need to manually copy or mange the files within that folder .
I ended up creating a lot of 'soft links ' to handle this.Another advantage was I could share certain files/folders with my colleagues and and another set with my wife without any hassle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been using dropbox for past 8-10 months in a similar scenario and it has worked for me very well.
I have a server machine at home on Debian etch, my workstation is on Ubuntu 8.04 and my laptop is on OSX with dual boot on Ubuntu 9.10With a single account i am able to sync files across all these machines.
The beauty is once you have installed it, you don't have to do anything to sync.
All of the sync occurs automatically moment you save the files.
Disadvantage is, it has it's own folder that it syncs up on and you need to manually copy or mange the files within that folder.
I ended up creating a lot of 'soft links' to handle this.Another advantage was I could share certain files/folders with my colleagues and and another set with my wife without any hassle.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30168052</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>jhol13</author>
	<datestamp>1258651740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Better yet, use Mercurial (or any other distributed version control system). It is designed for this kind of use!</p><p>I have three clones (of a project), one in desktop, one in laptop and one in an USB stick. Just "pull" (or "push") and "commit". Sometimes a "merge". With network connectivity you do not need the USB stick (in my case it is just a bit easier).</p><p>Should any of those clones/repositories die it would not be a big problem.</p><p>Note: this is not a backup solution, this is a solution to sync the machines!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Better yet , use Mercurial ( or any other distributed version control system ) .
It is designed for this kind of use ! I have three clones ( of a project ) , one in desktop , one in laptop and one in an USB stick .
Just " pull " ( or " push " ) and " commit " .
Sometimes a " merge " .
With network connectivity you do not need the USB stick ( in my case it is just a bit easier ) .Should any of those clones/repositories die it would not be a big problem.Note : this is not a backup solution , this is a solution to sync the machines !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better yet, use Mercurial (or any other distributed version control system).
It is designed for this kind of use!I have three clones (of a project), one in desktop, one in laptop and one in an USB stick.
Just "pull" (or "push") and "commit".
Sometimes a "merge".
With network connectivity you do not need the USB stick (in my case it is just a bit easier).Should any of those clones/repositories die it would not be a big problem.Note: this is not a backup solution, this is a solution to sync the machines!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165426</id>
	<title>Portable Hard Drive?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258632060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm starting to see some pretty good portable (note portable, not just external, fits in your pocket) hard drives for carrying data around such as this one http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=701</p><p>If you don't want to rely on having to carry around this hard drive with you all the time, you can use Dirsyncpro (FOSS, all platforms) http://directorysync.sourceforge.net/index.html and install it on all your PCs and just sync said hard drive with each one on occasion.</p><p>If you want all the data in sync all the time without requiring you have the hard drive with you, you could probably make a network drive at home that you can access from anywhere by entering your ip address and password in somewhere, or use vnc to access the files on on your other computers.</p><p>I'm currently looking at doing something like this myself since I have 2 windows PCs and a Laptop with Ubuntu that I want to keep in sync but want to be in complete control of everything myself. I don't want to be stuck relying on anything/one but myself and no monthly fees/data limits outside of my 100GB/monthly bandwidth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm starting to see some pretty good portable ( note portable , not just external , fits in your pocket ) hard drives for carrying data around such as this one http : //www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp ? DriveID = 701If you do n't want to rely on having to carry around this hard drive with you all the time , you can use Dirsyncpro ( FOSS , all platforms ) http : //directorysync.sourceforge.net/index.html and install it on all your PCs and just sync said hard drive with each one on occasion.If you want all the data in sync all the time without requiring you have the hard drive with you , you could probably make a network drive at home that you can access from anywhere by entering your ip address and password in somewhere , or use vnc to access the files on on your other computers.I 'm currently looking at doing something like this myself since I have 2 windows PCs and a Laptop with Ubuntu that I want to keep in sync but want to be in complete control of everything myself .
I do n't want to be stuck relying on anything/one but myself and no monthly fees/data limits outside of my 100GB/monthly bandwidth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm starting to see some pretty good portable (note portable, not just external, fits in your pocket) hard drives for carrying data around such as this one http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=701If you don't want to rely on having to carry around this hard drive with you all the time, you can use Dirsyncpro (FOSS, all platforms) http://directorysync.sourceforge.net/index.html and install it on all your PCs and just sync said hard drive with each one on occasion.If you want all the data in sync all the time without requiring you have the hard drive with you, you could probably make a network drive at home that you can access from anywhere by entering your ip address and password in somewhere, or use vnc to access the files on on your other computers.I'm currently looking at doing something like this myself since I have 2 windows PCs and a Laptop with Ubuntu that I want to keep in sync but want to be in complete control of everything myself.
I don't want to be stuck relying on anything/one but myself and no monthly fees/data limits outside of my 100GB/monthly bandwidth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164266</id>
	<title>Unison</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258627680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just discovered Unison last week.   Sounds perfect for your needs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just discovered Unison last week .
Sounds perfect for your needs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just discovered Unison last week.
Sounds perfect for your needs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30169284</id>
	<title>I use SVN+SSH</title>
	<author>Qbertino</author>
	<datestamp>1258713420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use svn for that exact task. Runs everywhere, tools are abundant, CLI-handling is fast and easy. I only use TortoiseSVN on Windows because the Windows shell sucks big time. Do a regular backup of your repository and you've got that in the mix aswell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use svn for that exact task .
Runs everywhere , tools are abundant , CLI-handling is fast and easy .
I only use TortoiseSVN on Windows because the Windows shell sucks big time .
Do a regular backup of your repository and you 've got that in the mix aswell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use svn for that exact task.
Runs everywhere, tools are abundant, CLI-handling is fast and easy.
I only use TortoiseSVN on Windows because the Windows shell sucks big time.
Do a regular backup of your repository and you've got that in the mix aswell.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164580</id>
	<title>Re:Unison</title>
	<author>quercus.aeternam</author>
	<datestamp>1258628700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed - but if rsync works fits, it is preferable.</p><p>That said, the constraints where rsync works flawlessly are pretty strict:</p><p>1. You always rsync down at the start of a session<br>2. You always rsync up at the end of a session<br>3. You never have more than 1 session</p><p>Just make sure you use the best settings - don't forget --delete or whatever it is to handle removed directories.</p><p>Unison works much better due to its 2-way change propogation, but it is only designed to handle 2 sources of documents, not 3.</p><p>I've never had to handle this sort of thing with unison, so though it may work, I'm not sure of the mechanisms it uses to handle resolution in batch mode.  If it's timestamp based, you could hose yourself.</p><p>If you make the Mac and XP boxes share your data over nfs, you restrict yourself to the 2 source case, and Unison should work fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed - but if rsync works fits , it is preferable.That said , the constraints where rsync works flawlessly are pretty strict : 1 .
You always rsync down at the start of a session2 .
You always rsync up at the end of a session3 .
You never have more than 1 sessionJust make sure you use the best settings - do n't forget --delete or whatever it is to handle removed directories.Unison works much better due to its 2-way change propogation , but it is only designed to handle 2 sources of documents , not 3.I 've never had to handle this sort of thing with unison , so though it may work , I 'm not sure of the mechanisms it uses to handle resolution in batch mode .
If it 's timestamp based , you could hose yourself.If you make the Mac and XP boxes share your data over nfs , you restrict yourself to the 2 source case , and Unison should work fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed - but if rsync works fits, it is preferable.That said, the constraints where rsync works flawlessly are pretty strict:1.
You always rsync down at the start of a session2.
You always rsync up at the end of a session3.
You never have more than 1 sessionJust make sure you use the best settings - don't forget --delete or whatever it is to handle removed directories.Unison works much better due to its 2-way change propogation, but it is only designed to handle 2 sources of documents, not 3.I've never had to handle this sort of thing with unison, so though it may work, I'm not sure of the mechanisms it uses to handle resolution in batch mode.
If it's timestamp based, you could hose yourself.If you make the Mac and XP boxes share your data over nfs, you restrict yourself to the 2 source case, and Unison should work fine.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163944</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30171910</id>
	<title>Re:Answers his own question.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258736460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been a longtime SVN fan.  However, I'm liking git these days... and have only been using it for about 4 hours.</p><p>Advantage:  `git commit` commits to your local checkout.  You then "push" your local repository to a centralized repository to effectively do what svn commit does in 1 step.  This two-step commit has the advantage that you can make commits to your repository without having net access... and when you do get net access, you push i.e. commit to the central repository. More useful is that when I'm developing a change-set, I can commit many disparate changes all over the project (in this case, my entire home directory) and then push specific directories and files of related changes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been a longtime SVN fan .
However , I 'm liking git these days... and have only been using it for about 4 hours.Advantage : ` git commit ` commits to your local checkout .
You then " push " your local repository to a centralized repository to effectively do what svn commit does in 1 step .
This two-step commit has the advantage that you can make commits to your repository without having net access... and when you do get net access , you push i.e .
commit to the central repository .
More useful is that when I 'm developing a change-set , I can commit many disparate changes all over the project ( in this case , my entire home directory ) and then push specific directories and files of related changes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been a longtime SVN fan.
However, I'm liking git these days... and have only been using it for about 4 hours.Advantage:  `git commit` commits to your local checkout.
You then "push" your local repository to a centralized repository to effectively do what svn commit does in 1 step.
This two-step commit has the advantage that you can make commits to your repository without having net access... and when you do get net access, you push i.e.
commit to the central repository.
More useful is that when I'm developing a change-set, I can commit many disparate changes all over the project (in this case, my entire home directory) and then push specific directories and files of related changes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164782</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164782</id>
	<title>Answers his own question.</title>
	<author>Rantastic</author>
	<datestamp>1258629540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I use a local svn repository for my work data. Now I need to frequently exchange and synchronize OpenOffice and Latex files and source code in various cross-platform programming languages between one machine and another.</p></div><p>Am I missing something here? What doesn't SVN do that you need? Clients exist for all named platforms and it handles OO, Latex, and source code files very well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a local svn repository for my work data .
Now I need to frequently exchange and synchronize OpenOffice and Latex files and source code in various cross-platform programming languages between one machine and another.Am I missing something here ?
What does n't SVN do that you need ?
Clients exist for all named platforms and it handles OO , Latex , and source code files very well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a local svn repository for my work data.
Now I need to frequently exchange and synchronize OpenOffice and Latex files and source code in various cross-platform programming languages between one machine and another.Am I missing something here?
What doesn't SVN do that you need?
Clients exist for all named platforms and it handles OO, Latex, and source code files very well.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166374</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>jacksonj04</author>
	<datestamp>1258636440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another one voting for this. It also has the benefit in that it installs entirely within a roaming 'Documents and Settings' directory if the windows network makes use of one. I use Dropbox to sync my Mac laptop, my Ubuntu VM, my XP installation, and my University roaming profile (and the app follows me around campus with no need to install on every machine). The web interface is quite good as well, plus it sports sharing of files if you want to.</p><p>It lacks the ability for you to encrypt it with your own key, however it's a matter of convenience vs security. I'm not keeping my doomsday device plans on there and I think it fairly unlikely that the company is going to sell my lab reports, so the lack of 'privacy' in an absolute sense is balanced out by the fact that communication between client and server is encrypted and it does what I want it to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another one voting for this .
It also has the benefit in that it installs entirely within a roaming 'Documents and Settings ' directory if the windows network makes use of one .
I use Dropbox to sync my Mac laptop , my Ubuntu VM , my XP installation , and my University roaming profile ( and the app follows me around campus with no need to install on every machine ) .
The web interface is quite good as well , plus it sports sharing of files if you want to.It lacks the ability for you to encrypt it with your own key , however it 's a matter of convenience vs security .
I 'm not keeping my doomsday device plans on there and I think it fairly unlikely that the company is going to sell my lab reports , so the lack of 'privacy ' in an absolute sense is balanced out by the fact that communication between client and server is encrypted and it does what I want it to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another one voting for this.
It also has the benefit in that it installs entirely within a roaming 'Documents and Settings' directory if the windows network makes use of one.
I use Dropbox to sync my Mac laptop, my Ubuntu VM, my XP installation, and my University roaming profile (and the app follows me around campus with no need to install on every machine).
The web interface is quite good as well, plus it sports sharing of files if you want to.It lacks the ability for you to encrypt it with your own key, however it's a matter of convenience vs security.
I'm not keeping my doomsday device plans on there and I think it fairly unlikely that the company is going to sell my lab reports, so the lack of 'privacy' in an absolute sense is balanced out by the fact that communication between client and server is encrypted and it does what I want it to.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163954</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30169326</id>
	<title>Re:Or dont' throw money</title>
	<author>tyroneking</author>
	<datestamp>1258713900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unison is quite stable and I use it daily to sync between Linux PCs over a network and Windows PCs via a USB key - add some flags to allow it make some decisions automatically and 99\% of the time it works silently - add a cron/WindSchedule to it and it works a bit like Dropbox.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unison is quite stable and I use it daily to sync between Linux PCs over a network and Windows PCs via a USB key - add some flags to allow it make some decisions automatically and 99 \ % of the time it works silently - add a cron/WindSchedule to it and it works a bit like Dropbox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unison is quite stable and I use it daily to sync between Linux PCs over a network and Windows PCs via a USB key - add some flags to allow it make some decisions automatically and 99\% of the time it works silently - add a cron/WindSchedule to it and it works a bit like Dropbox.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164614</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30172968</id>
	<title>iFolder - FOSS DropBox from Novell</title>
	<author>ClashTheBunny</author>
	<datestamp>1258740060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is an FOSS Dropbox that functions on Windows, OS X, and Linux.  I have the server running on Ubuntu based off of <a href="http://www.x2b4.com/howto/how-to-install-ifolder-on-ubuntu-server/" title="x2b4.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.x2b4.com/howto/how-to-install-ifolder-on-ubuntu-server/</a> [x2b4.com] and it works wonderfully.  All of my files are synced immediately and it's open source and it's MY storage.  No limitations, I pay for the bandwidth and electricity already, and now I get the benefit.  Everything can be individually encrypted, if you want to offer the same service to family or friends.  It's just a great solution.  If you want to use Amazon, I'm sure you could just set it up to store the data on your Jungle Disk, or you can just switch to backing up your local data directory to your Jungle Disk.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is an FOSS Dropbox that functions on Windows , OS X , and Linux .
I have the server running on Ubuntu based off of http : //www.x2b4.com/howto/how-to-install-ifolder-on-ubuntu-server/ [ x2b4.com ] and it works wonderfully .
All of my files are synced immediately and it 's open source and it 's MY storage .
No limitations , I pay for the bandwidth and electricity already , and now I get the benefit .
Everything can be individually encrypted , if you want to offer the same service to family or friends .
It 's just a great solution .
If you want to use Amazon , I 'm sure you could just set it up to store the data on your Jungle Disk , or you can just switch to backing up your local data directory to your Jungle Disk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is an FOSS Dropbox that functions on Windows, OS X, and Linux.
I have the server running on Ubuntu based off of http://www.x2b4.com/howto/how-to-install-ifolder-on-ubuntu-server/ [x2b4.com] and it works wonderfully.
All of my files are synced immediately and it's open source and it's MY storage.
No limitations, I pay for the bandwidth and electricity already, and now I get the benefit.
Everything can be individually encrypted, if you want to offer the same service to family or friends.
It's just a great solution.
If you want to use Amazon, I'm sure you could just set it up to store the data on your Jungle Disk, or you can just switch to backing up your local data directory to your Jungle Disk.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166192</id>
	<title>My solution...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258635540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I built a file server.</p><p>Linux based with a drive backplane, 4 large drives configured with software RAID 5.  Shared out via NFS and Samba.  I setup port forwarding so I could get to it via ssh/ftp when not at home if I forgot a file.</p><p>Worked well enough to share between me and my (now ex) girlfriend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I built a file server.Linux based with a drive backplane , 4 large drives configured with software RAID 5 .
Shared out via NFS and Samba .
I setup port forwarding so I could get to it via ssh/ftp when not at home if I forgot a file.Worked well enough to share between me and my ( now ex ) girlfriend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I built a file server.Linux based with a drive backplane, 4 large drives configured with software RAID 5.
Shared out via NFS and Samba.
I setup port forwarding so I could get to it via ssh/ftp when not at home if I forgot a file.Worked well enough to share between me and my (now ex) girlfriend.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164690</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>dc2447</author>
	<datestamp>1258629060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course when someone steals your laptop which is syncing to dropbox, the data is theirs.

You can unlink updates to the stolen device but the data is gone.  I'd love a remote wipe facility.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course when someone steals your laptop which is syncing to dropbox , the data is theirs .
You can unlink updates to the stolen device but the data is gone .
I 'd love a remote wipe facility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course when someone steals your laptop which is syncing to dropbox, the data is theirs.
You can unlink updates to the stolen device but the data is gone.
I'd love a remote wipe facility.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163954</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30173954</id>
	<title>Two options for you</title>
	<author>plazman30</author>
	<datestamp>1258743720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're willing to pay, you could use Dropbox.  If you keep it under 2 GB, it's free.   Anything you drag into your dropbox gets synced to their servers and then synced back down to your other PCs you have linked to your dropbox account.</p><p>If you would prefer a roll your own solution, and are willing to build a server, then go look at Novell's iFolder <a href="http://www.ifolder.com./" title="www.ifolder.com">http://www.ifolder.com./</a> [www.ifolder.com]</p><p>Andy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're willing to pay , you could use Dropbox .
If you keep it under 2 GB , it 's free .
Anything you drag into your dropbox gets synced to their servers and then synced back down to your other PCs you have linked to your dropbox account.If you would prefer a roll your own solution , and are willing to build a server , then go look at Novell 's iFolder http : //www.ifolder.com./ [ www.ifolder.com ] Andy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're willing to pay, you could use Dropbox.
If you keep it under 2 GB, it's free.
Anything you drag into your dropbox gets synced to their servers and then synced back down to your other PCs you have linked to your dropbox account.If you would prefer a roll your own solution, and are willing to build a server, then go look at Novell's iFolder http://www.ifolder.com./ [www.ifolder.com]Andy</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164318</id>
	<title>svn</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1258627860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use SVN with my Latex and oo.org files.  The only, well known, issue with SVN is iWorks, which may or may not be an issue for this situation.  I am told git is functional.  I am thinking of migrating to git just because of the local overhead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use SVN with my Latex and oo.org files .
The only , well known , issue with SVN is iWorks , which may or may not be an issue for this situation .
I am told git is functional .
I am thinking of migrating to git just because of the local overhead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use SVN with my Latex and oo.org files.
The only, well known, issue with SVN is iWorks, which may or may not be an issue for this situation.
I am told git is functional.
I am thinking of migrating to git just because of the local overhead.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167270</id>
	<title>Re:Distributed version control</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1258642680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Have you really tried it? Last time I tried, Mercurial died with files over 10 megabytes in size.</p></div><p>Thats a warning. I have successfully used mercurial with 100 megabyte files.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you really tried it ?
Last time I tried , Mercurial died with files over 10 megabytes in size.Thats a warning .
I have successfully used mercurial with 100 megabyte files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you really tried it?
Last time I tried, Mercurial died with files over 10 megabytes in size.Thats a warning.
I have successfully used mercurial with 100 megabyte files.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166990</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166706</id>
	<title>Re:wish USB was tougher</title>
	<author>snadrus</author>
	<datestamp>1258638360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wikipedia says magsafe magnets find paricles and can become trouble. I imagine usb could be made reversable though (if we are going with a redesign).

Idea: let's use the velcro on baby clothes instead of magnets.
Its so quick-release that babies can pull it off.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wikipedia says magsafe magnets find paricles and can become trouble .
I imagine usb could be made reversable though ( if we are going with a redesign ) .
Idea : let 's use the velcro on baby clothes instead of magnets .
Its so quick-release that babies can pull it off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wikipedia says magsafe magnets find paricles and can become trouble.
I imagine usb could be made reversable though (if we are going with a redesign).
Idea: let's use the velcro on baby clothes instead of magnets.
Its so quick-release that babies can pull it off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164674</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167982</id>
	<title>JFileSync</title>
	<author>dohmp</author>
	<datestamp>1258650780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One i've not seen anyone mention yet is <a href="http://jfilesync.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">JFileSync</a> [sourceforge.net].<br>
<br>
Yes yes, we all know that java is anathema around here, but this is an exceptional tool to have in the toolchest...</htmltext>
<tokenext>One i 've not seen anyone mention yet is JFileSync [ sourceforge.net ] .
Yes yes , we all know that java is anathema around here , but this is an exceptional tool to have in the toolchest.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One i've not seen anyone mention yet is JFileSync [sourceforge.net].
Yes yes, we all know that java is anathema around here, but this is an exceptional tool to have in the toolchest...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30173870</id>
	<title>NAS</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1258743480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I looked into this problem myself, and it isn't pretty. I use a Windows box for everyday stuff, a Linux based server, and my Sister uses a Mac.</p><p>Basically I had the idea that I wanted to share some Anime videos with my Sister who also enjoys the TV shows. Anyway originally my idea was to buy an external USB HD, copy the files and then give her the HD, this way she also gets a new external HD out of the deal. However when I looked into it, not as simple as I thought. While most external drives are compatible with Mac or PC, the emphasis is on "OR". Usually they are formatted differently and are not compatible with the other once formatted.</p><p>The only other solutions I could find were to use a NAS (Networked Attached Storage), and this would work, because you would be using the network protocol to translate the data between OS, SMB I think it is called. Anyway at the time, they were very expensive and still are to a degree however they have come down in price more recently and I have seen solutions out there for 200-300$ range. Which is still more than I wanted to spend as an external HD only runs you about 100-200$.</p><p>I settled for the getto version and just spent the time and burned like 10 8GB DVD-R's as it was easiest. However for a continual solution, this would not work. I would say your only choice is some sort of NAS with SMB. I am sure given the time and know how you could also build your own linux box to do the same thing, but for price it likely depends if you have an extra kicking around someplace. Either could likely be set up for remote FTP. I would recommend just buying a NAS, likely simpler that way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I looked into this problem myself , and it is n't pretty .
I use a Windows box for everyday stuff , a Linux based server , and my Sister uses a Mac.Basically I had the idea that I wanted to share some Anime videos with my Sister who also enjoys the TV shows .
Anyway originally my idea was to buy an external USB HD , copy the files and then give her the HD , this way she also gets a new external HD out of the deal .
However when I looked into it , not as simple as I thought .
While most external drives are compatible with Mac or PC , the emphasis is on " OR " .
Usually they are formatted differently and are not compatible with the other once formatted.The only other solutions I could find were to use a NAS ( Networked Attached Storage ) , and this would work , because you would be using the network protocol to translate the data between OS , SMB I think it is called .
Anyway at the time , they were very expensive and still are to a degree however they have come down in price more recently and I have seen solutions out there for 200-300 $ range .
Which is still more than I wanted to spend as an external HD only runs you about 100-200 $ .I settled for the getto version and just spent the time and burned like 10 8GB DVD-R 's as it was easiest .
However for a continual solution , this would not work .
I would say your only choice is some sort of NAS with SMB .
I am sure given the time and know how you could also build your own linux box to do the same thing , but for price it likely depends if you have an extra kicking around someplace .
Either could likely be set up for remote FTP .
I would recommend just buying a NAS , likely simpler that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I looked into this problem myself, and it isn't pretty.
I use a Windows box for everyday stuff, a Linux based server, and my Sister uses a Mac.Basically I had the idea that I wanted to share some Anime videos with my Sister who also enjoys the TV shows.
Anyway originally my idea was to buy an external USB HD, copy the files and then give her the HD, this way she also gets a new external HD out of the deal.
However when I looked into it, not as simple as I thought.
While most external drives are compatible with Mac or PC, the emphasis is on "OR".
Usually they are formatted differently and are not compatible with the other once formatted.The only other solutions I could find were to use a NAS (Networked Attached Storage), and this would work, because you would be using the network protocol to translate the data between OS, SMB I think it is called.
Anyway at the time, they were very expensive and still are to a degree however they have come down in price more recently and I have seen solutions out there for 200-300$ range.
Which is still more than I wanted to spend as an external HD only runs you about 100-200$.I settled for the getto version and just spent the time and burned like 10 8GB DVD-R's as it was easiest.
However for a continual solution, this would not work.
I would say your only choice is some sort of NAS with SMB.
I am sure given the time and know how you could also build your own linux box to do the same thing, but for price it likely depends if you have an extra kicking around someplace.
Either could likely be set up for remote FTP.
I would recommend just buying a NAS, likely simpler that way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164836</id>
	<title>Dropbox.</title>
	<author>exploder</author>
	<datestamp>1258629720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You didn't google this even a little, did you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You did n't google this even a little , did you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You didn't google this even a little, did you?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167280</id>
	<title>Re:Proven technology</title>
	<author>gigoguy</author>
	<datestamp>1258642740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>My personal experience with tablet-based backup makes me say that the Amazon is a bad idea.  I rented a helicopter and tried to store my data stones in the Amazon's clouds...  Let me tell you, their cloud platform does not have the stability you are looking floor.  30 seconds after upload, I was left with fragmented, unrecoverable data.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My personal experience with tablet-based backup makes me say that the Amazon is a bad idea .
I rented a helicopter and tried to store my data stones in the Amazon 's clouds... Let me tell you , their cloud platform does not have the stability you are looking floor .
30 seconds after upload , I was left with fragmented , unrecoverable data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My personal experience with tablet-based backup makes me say that the Amazon is a bad idea.
I rented a helicopter and tried to store my data stones in the Amazon's clouds...  Let me tell you, their cloud platform does not have the stability you are looking floor.
30 seconds after upload, I was left with fragmented, unrecoverable data.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164278</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164654</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258629000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly.</p><p>I use deltacopy on my windows boxes with a linux server.</p><p>All of the data is synced and gets transferred once a month for backup.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly.I use deltacopy on my windows boxes with a linux server.All of the data is synced and gets transferred once a month for backup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.I use deltacopy on my windows boxes with a linux server.All of the data is synced and gets transferred once a month for backup.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163932</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165670</id>
	<title>Re:Unison</title>
	<author>slimjim8094</author>
	<datestamp>1258633200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Holy crap, my professor wrote that. I've been using it for years without even realizing it...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Holy crap , my professor wrote that .
I 've been using it for years without even realizing it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holy crap, my professor wrote that.
I've been using it for years without even realizing it...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30168172</id>
	<title>I am using Novell iFolder</title>
	<author>sam0737</author>
	<datestamp>1258652760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(http://www.ifolder.com/ifolder)<br>to sync "My Documents" between my Win7 and Linux box.</p><p>The client is a open source<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET client that could run on MS<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET Framework and Mono. Supporting Windows, Mac, Linux.</p><p>It is a client + server arch. The server holds all the data. I setup my Linux box to be the server.<br>It works by detecting the changes and send the differences to the server when you are online. Conflict are resolved manually, through the client app.</p><p>You could create different repository, say me Workplace desktop has the Work folder sync, and my laptop has both Work and Home folder in sync. While I also has an Archive folder which keeps all the unused junk, not synced to any machine, but available through the web interface included with the server package.</p><p>Then of course, the data on server are regularly backup. I have another very old P4 which is woke every 2am, using Dirvish to rsync the data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( http : //www.ifolder.com/ifolder ) to sync " My Documents " between my Win7 and Linux box.The client is a open source .NET client that could run on MS .NET Framework and Mono .
Supporting Windows , Mac , Linux.It is a client + server arch .
The server holds all the data .
I setup my Linux box to be the server.It works by detecting the changes and send the differences to the server when you are online .
Conflict are resolved manually , through the client app.You could create different repository , say me Workplace desktop has the Work folder sync , and my laptop has both Work and Home folder in sync .
While I also has an Archive folder which keeps all the unused junk , not synced to any machine , but available through the web interface included with the server package.Then of course , the data on server are regularly backup .
I have another very old P4 which is woke every 2am , using Dirvish to rsync the data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(http://www.ifolder.com/ifolder)to sync "My Documents" between my Win7 and Linux box.The client is a open source .NET client that could run on MS .NET Framework and Mono.
Supporting Windows, Mac, Linux.It is a client + server arch.
The server holds all the data.
I setup my Linux box to be the server.It works by detecting the changes and send the differences to the server when you are online.
Conflict are resolved manually, through the client app.You could create different repository, say me Workplace desktop has the Work folder sync, and my laptop has both Work and Home folder in sync.
While I also has an Archive folder which keeps all the unused junk, not synced to any machine, but available through the web interface included with the server package.Then of course, the data on server are regularly backup.
I have another very old P4 which is woke every 2am, using Dirvish to rsync the data.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30168080</id>
	<title>Re:Unison</title>
	<author>jhol13</author>
	<datestamp>1258651980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How does it handle merges? That is, situations where the data has been modified in both (or several) machines.</p><p>You see, there are distributed version control systems (Mercurial,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...) which are designed to handle that kind of situations. And they handle them extremely well (at least Mercurial does and I have no reason to believe the others do not).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How does it handle merges ?
That is , situations where the data has been modified in both ( or several ) machines.You see , there are distributed version control systems ( Mercurial , ... ) which are designed to handle that kind of situations .
And they handle them extremely well ( at least Mercurial does and I have no reason to believe the others do not ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does it handle merges?
That is, situations where the data has been modified in both (or several) machines.You see, there are distributed version control systems (Mercurial, ...) which are designed to handle that kind of situations.
And they handle them extremely well (at least Mercurial does and I have no reason to believe the others do not).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163944</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164222</id>
	<title>dropbox yarrrr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258627560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTMwODU3ODA5</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>https : //www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTMwODU3ODA5</tokentext>
<sentencetext>https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTMwODU3ODA5</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164576</id>
	<title>Re:Unison</title>
	<author>McPint</author>
	<datestamp>1258628700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I cannot say whether unison is the best solution, but it is one that I have been using for 7 years or more, between two desktops (home and work), a laptop an external hard drive and another offsite backup. These were on a variety of filesystems between Linux and Windows flavours. MacOS X should be no different.</p><p>While I have seen graphical interfaces to unison, the command line interface is so much easier to use.</p><p>I would definitely  recommend unison...  while it is not a revision control system it is an effective solution at working on  the same set of files wherever you are provided you synchronise twice a day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can not say whether unison is the best solution , but it is one that I have been using for 7 years or more , between two desktops ( home and work ) , a laptop an external hard drive and another offsite backup .
These were on a variety of filesystems between Linux and Windows flavours .
MacOS X should be no different.While I have seen graphical interfaces to unison , the command line interface is so much easier to use.I would definitely recommend unison... while it is not a revision control system it is an effective solution at working on the same set of files wherever you are provided you synchronise twice a day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cannot say whether unison is the best solution, but it is one that I have been using for 7 years or more, between two desktops (home and work), a laptop an external hard drive and another offsite backup.
These were on a variety of filesystems between Linux and Windows flavours.
MacOS X should be no different.While I have seen graphical interfaces to unison, the command line interface is so much easier to use.I would definitely  recommend unison...  while it is not a revision control system it is an effective solution at working on  the same set of files wherever you are provided you synchronise twice a day.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163944</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163932</id>
	<title>Rsync?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258626780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Set up one computer as a server and rsync/ssh to it with either a cron job or at your whim.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Set up one computer as a server and rsync/ssh to it with either a cron job or at your whim .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Set up one computer as a server and rsync/ssh to it with either a cron job or at your whim.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165964</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258634520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do not forget about data de-dupe as well.. now you can have multiple copies of the data from point in time saves and it occupies less space.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do not forget about data de-dupe as well.. now you can have multiple copies of the data from point in time saves and it occupies less space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do not forget about data de-dupe as well.. now you can have multiple copies of the data from point in time saves and it occupies less space.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164018</id>
	<title>Dropbox</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258627020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTE5NDk3Mzg5" title="dropbox.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTE5NDk3Mzg5</a> [dropbox.com]

Use this link and both you AND I get an extra 250 megs space. The first 2 gigs cost nada.</htmltext>
<tokenext>https : //www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTE5NDk3Mzg5 [ dropbox.com ] Use this link and both you AND I get an extra 250 megs space .
The first 2 gigs cost nada .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTE5NDk3Mzg5 [dropbox.com]

Use this link and both you AND I get an extra 250 megs space.
The first 2 gigs cost nada.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164098</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258627140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dropbox is great.  I use it between all my computers (PC and Linux) and I have absolutely 0 complaints with it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dropbox is great .
I use it between all my computers ( PC and Linux ) and I have absolutely 0 complaints with it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dropbox is great.
I use it between all my computers (PC and Linux) and I have absolutely 0 complaints with it!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163954</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165158</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>rrwood</author>
	<datestamp>1258631100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dropbox is fantastic!  It's definitely not a subversion respository, though it does support versions of files if you're willing to pay for that feature.</p><p>I finally ponied up the money for a paying account yesterday after having used it daily for about a year now....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dropbox is fantastic !
It 's definitely not a subversion respository , though it does support versions of files if you 're willing to pay for that feature.I finally ponied up the money for a paying account yesterday after having used it daily for about a year now... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dropbox is fantastic!
It's definitely not a subversion respository, though it does support versions of files if you're willing to pay for that feature.I finally ponied up the money for a paying account yesterday after having used it daily for about a year now....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163954</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30168886</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>TooMuchToDo</author>
	<datestamp>1258750320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dropbox uses Amazon S3 on the backend as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dropbox uses Amazon S3 on the backend as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dropbox uses Amazon S3 on the backend as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164724</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30183382</id>
	<title>local: vcs+Ironkey, online: jungledisk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258807200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For your local needings use a vcs (subversion http://subversion.tigris.org/ or a distributed vcs as mercurial http://mercurial.selenic.com/ or bazaar http://bazaar-vcs.org/en/) and store a copy of your repository on Ironkey S200 https://www.ironkey.com/compare-hardware, a multi-os (linux, win, mac) military-grade encrypted usb key with good size (up to 16gb) speed (Up to 27MB/s read and 24MB/s write) and SLC technology (100K write cycles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash\_memory#Write\_Endurance).</p><p>And continue to backup online with Jungledisk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For your local needings use a vcs ( subversion http : //subversion.tigris.org/ or a distributed vcs as mercurial http : //mercurial.selenic.com/ or bazaar http : //bazaar-vcs.org/en/ ) and store a copy of your repository on Ironkey S200 https : //www.ironkey.com/compare-hardware , a multi-os ( linux , win , mac ) military-grade encrypted usb key with good size ( up to 16gb ) speed ( Up to 27MB/s read and 24MB/s write ) and SLC technology ( 100K write cycles http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash \ _memory # Write \ _Endurance ) .And continue to backup online with Jungledisk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For your local needings use a vcs (subversion http://subversion.tigris.org/ or a distributed vcs as mercurial http://mercurial.selenic.com/ or bazaar http://bazaar-vcs.org/en/) and store a copy of your repository on Ironkey S200 https://www.ironkey.com/compare-hardware, a multi-os (linux, win, mac) military-grade encrypted usb key with good size (up to 16gb) speed (Up to 27MB/s read and 24MB/s write) and SLC technology (100K write cycles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash\_memory#Write\_Endurance).And continue to backup online with Jungledisk.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166908</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258639560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except it didn't exactly answer his question.  He appears to favor local storage.  Ha already has a backup solution and if he wanted a snetwork share, I'm pretty sure anyone running the 3 major OSes can figure out how to share a drive via NFS/AFP/SMB.</p><p>For a home user, ZFS's big achilles is the inability to change raidz geometry.  Most home users add another drive to increase capacity, *not* another raidz of drives into a pool.  Nor do they typically want to replace all their raidz drives with larger drives.  ZFS fails on that particular common home storage scenario.  Everyone knows it and it's been talked about to death.  And btrfs is looking better every day.</p><p>The answer he's looking for is probably some form of rsync or unison solution.  Depends on the complexity of his syncing.  And if he needs/wants some form of version control.  He knows how to use SVN so he's probably not needing version control.</p><p>I'm curious too; I have to keep local assets for CGI apps in sync on a few different systems and rsync is the best I've come up with.  You can't drop extra files into the asset directory structure and you can't rely on their state to tell you anything about the need to sync.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except it did n't exactly answer his question .
He appears to favor local storage .
Ha already has a backup solution and if he wanted a snetwork share , I 'm pretty sure anyone running the 3 major OSes can figure out how to share a drive via NFS/AFP/SMB.For a home user , ZFS 's big achilles is the inability to change raidz geometry .
Most home users add another drive to increase capacity , * not * another raidz of drives into a pool .
Nor do they typically want to replace all their raidz drives with larger drives .
ZFS fails on that particular common home storage scenario .
Everyone knows it and it 's been talked about to death .
And btrfs is looking better every day.The answer he 's looking for is probably some form of rsync or unison solution .
Depends on the complexity of his syncing .
And if he needs/wants some form of version control .
He knows how to use SVN so he 's probably not needing version control.I 'm curious too ; I have to keep local assets for CGI apps in sync on a few different systems and rsync is the best I 've come up with .
You ca n't drop extra files into the asset directory structure and you ca n't rely on their state to tell you anything about the need to sync .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except it didn't exactly answer his question.
He appears to favor local storage.
Ha already has a backup solution and if he wanted a snetwork share, I'm pretty sure anyone running the 3 major OSes can figure out how to share a drive via NFS/AFP/SMB.For a home user, ZFS's big achilles is the inability to change raidz geometry.
Most home users add another drive to increase capacity, *not* another raidz of drives into a pool.
Nor do they typically want to replace all their raidz drives with larger drives.
ZFS fails on that particular common home storage scenario.
Everyone knows it and it's been talked about to death.
And btrfs is looking better every day.The answer he's looking for is probably some form of rsync or unison solution.
Depends on the complexity of his syncing.
And if he needs/wants some form of version control.
He knows how to use SVN so he's probably not needing version control.I'm curious too; I have to keep local assets for CGI apps in sync on a few different systems and rsync is the best I've come up with.
You can't drop extra files into the asset directory structure and you can't rely on their state to tell you anything about the need to sync.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165108</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30168882</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>TooMuchToDo</author>
	<datestamp>1258750200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's on their feature wishlist.<p>
Disclaimer: I'm a dropbox user.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's on their feature wishlist .
Disclaimer : I 'm a dropbox user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's on their feature wishlist.
Disclaimer: I'm a dropbox user.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166710</id>
	<title>Yup Unison</title>
	<author>meist3r</author>
	<datestamp>1258638420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think that's why it's called that right? I use it to sync folders and documents between my desktop and laptop to keep browser, email, rss feeds and other things up to what I've done on the desktop when I'm on the go. The SSH implementation works great, UI could be better (at least under Linux from what I can tell) but it works and didn't do anything stupid so far. Can't say anything about the Windows or OS X implementation but I'd think it works equally well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that 's why it 's called that right ?
I use it to sync folders and documents between my desktop and laptop to keep browser , email , rss feeds and other things up to what I 've done on the desktop when I 'm on the go .
The SSH implementation works great , UI could be better ( at least under Linux from what I can tell ) but it works and did n't do anything stupid so far .
Ca n't say anything about the Windows or OS X implementation but I 'd think it works equally well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that's why it's called that right?
I use it to sync folders and documents between my desktop and laptop to keep browser, email, rss feeds and other things up to what I've done on the desktop when I'm on the go.
The SSH implementation works great, UI could be better (at least under Linux from what I can tell) but it works and didn't do anything stupid so far.
Can't say anything about the Windows or OS X implementation but I'd think it works equally well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163944</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164840</id>
	<title>Dropbox!</title>
	<author>Movi</author>
	<datestamp>1258629780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>Looks like a job for Dropbox, money-throwing included. Word is they're also working on LAN sync, so no need for the data to go to the server and back.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like a job for Dropbox , money-throwing included .
Word is they 're also working on LAN sync , so no need for the data to go to the server and back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like a job for Dropbox, money-throwing included.
Word is they're also working on LAN sync, so no need for the data to go to the server and back.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164602</id>
	<title>Re:Unison</title>
	<author>iCharles</author>
	<datestamp>1258628760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>this is what I would suggest, too!</htmltext>
<tokenext>this is what I would suggest , too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is what I would suggest, too!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163944</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165032</id>
	<title>Re:Unison</title>
	<author>pjl5602</author>
	<datestamp>1258630560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Unison too and love it (Mac, Linux, FreeBSD and Windows.)  However, it does not handle Windows ACLs.  Does anybody have a solution for this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Unison too and love it ( Mac , Linux , FreeBSD and Windows .
) However , it does not handle Windows ACLs .
Does anybody have a solution for this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Unison too and love it (Mac, Linux, FreeBSD and Windows.
)  However, it does not handle Windows ACLs.
Does anybody have a solution for this?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163944</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164526</id>
	<title>Re:Unison</title>
	<author>liquidsunshine</author>
	<datestamp>1258628520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I second Unison.  It has pretty robust configuration options, and it's handled my synchronization needs wonderfully the last few years.  It's basically rsync with an awesome wrapper to make it better at two-way mirroring.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I second Unison .
It has pretty robust configuration options , and it 's handled my synchronization needs wonderfully the last few years .
It 's basically rsync with an awesome wrapper to make it better at two-way mirroring .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second Unison.
It has pretty robust configuration options, and it's handled my synchronization needs wonderfully the last few years.
It's basically rsync with an awesome wrapper to make it better at two-way mirroring.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163944</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166720</id>
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	<author>coolforsale114</author>
	<datestamp>1258638420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
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Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35
Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&amp;g) $35
Tshirts (Polo<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,ed hardy,lacoste) $16
free shipping
competitive price
any size available
accept the paypal
Thanks</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.coolforsale.com/ [ coolforsale.com ] Christmas is around the corner : And old customers can also enjoy the gifts sent by my company in a can also request to our company .
Gifts lot,Buy more get the moreOnly this site have this treatmentOur goal is " Best quality , Best reputation , Best services " .
Your satisfaction is our main pursue .
You can find the best products from us , meeting your different needs .
Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products .
Pass by but do n't miss it.Select your favorite clothing !
Welcome to come next time !
Thank you !
http : //www.coolforsale.com/productlist.asp [ coolforsale.com ] ?
id = s76 ( Tracksuit w ) ugg boot,POLO hoody,Jacket , Air jordan ( 1-24 ) shoes $ 33 Nike shox ( R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3 ) $ 35 Handbags ( Coach lv fendi d&amp;g ) $ 35 Tshirts ( Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste ) $ 16 free shipping competitive price any size available accept the paypal Thanks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.coolforsale.com/ [coolforsale.com]
Christmas is around the corner:  And old customers can also enjoy
the gifts sent by my company in a can also request to our company.
Gifts lot,Buy more get the moreOnly this site have this

treatmentOur goal is "Best quality, Best reputation , Best

services".
Your satisfaction is our main pursue.
You can find the

best products from us, meeting your different needs.
Ladies and Gentlemen  weicome  to  my  coolforsale.com.Here,there

are   the   most   fashion   products .
Pass by but don't   miss

it.Select  your  favorite  clothing!
Welcome  to come  next

time !
Thank you!
http://www.coolforsale.com/productlist.asp [coolforsale.com]?
id=s76 (Tracksuit w)
ugg boot,POLO hoody,Jacket,
Air jordan(1-24)shoes $33
Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35
Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&amp;g) $35
Tshirts (Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste) $16
free shipping
competitive price
any size available
accept the paypal
Thanks</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163932</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30169616</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>Kagetsuki</author>
	<datestamp>1258718340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I actually had terrible problems with ZFS, a piece of hardware went bad on a ZFS volume distributed over multiple disks, and despite the fact it was supposed to be able to recover from that but instead it decided to just stop working all together. This was about a half year ago, we've now moved back to individual networked disks and one box on the network regularly rsyncs them to a backup-only RAID-5 array off site twice a day. ZFS would be great if it had actually worked, luckily we had all the data on other discs and managed to re-assemble everything and lost maybe max an hour of work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually had terrible problems with ZFS , a piece of hardware went bad on a ZFS volume distributed over multiple disks , and despite the fact it was supposed to be able to recover from that but instead it decided to just stop working all together .
This was about a half year ago , we 've now moved back to individual networked disks and one box on the network regularly rsyncs them to a backup-only RAID-5 array off site twice a day .
ZFS would be great if it had actually worked , luckily we had all the data on other discs and managed to re-assemble everything and lost maybe max an hour of work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually had terrible problems with ZFS, a piece of hardware went bad on a ZFS volume distributed over multiple disks, and despite the fact it was supposed to be able to recover from that but instead it decided to just stop working all together.
This was about a half year ago, we've now moved back to individual networked disks and one box on the network regularly rsyncs them to a backup-only RAID-5 array off site twice a day.
ZFS would be great if it had actually worked, luckily we had all the data on other discs and managed to re-assemble everything and lost maybe max an hour of work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30169854</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>Trollino</author>
	<datestamp>1258722180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I really love dropbox. But as it is not open. Maybe the source of dropbox will be open in the future and we will install dropbox server in personnel server. Or some project like dropbox will be create.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really love dropbox .
But as it is not open .
Maybe the source of dropbox will be open in the future and we will install dropbox server in personnel server .
Or some project like dropbox will be create .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really love dropbox.
But as it is not open.
Maybe the source of dropbox will be open in the future and we will install dropbox server in personnel server.
Or some project like dropbox will be create.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163954</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164434</id>
	<title>JungleDisk 3.0 Has Sync features</title>
	<author>dreamnid</author>
	<datestamp>1258628280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure if you knew, but JungleDisk <a href="http://www.jungledisk.com/personal/desktop/features/" title="jungledisk.com" rel="nofollow">just released version 3</a> [jungledisk.com] of their software which lets you sync any folder in your computer.  This is better than DropBox in that the synced folders can be located anywhere.  I'm not sure how this works with the backed up files though, but I would imagine that synced files are also part of the backup vault.</p><p>Of course, this still requires you to upload the files Amazon or RackSpace.  Just want to make sure that you are aware that you don't have to use DropBox if you're already using Jungle Disk<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure if you knew , but JungleDisk just released version 3 [ jungledisk.com ] of their software which lets you sync any folder in your computer .
This is better than DropBox in that the synced folders can be located anywhere .
I 'm not sure how this works with the backed up files though , but I would imagine that synced files are also part of the backup vault.Of course , this still requires you to upload the files Amazon or RackSpace .
Just want to make sure that you are aware that you do n't have to use DropBox if you 're already using Jungle Disk : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure if you knew, but JungleDisk just released version 3 [jungledisk.com] of their software which lets you sync any folder in your computer.
This is better than DropBox in that the synced folders can be located anywhere.
I'm not sure how this works with the backed up files though, but I would imagine that synced files are also part of the backup vault.Of course, this still requires you to upload the files Amazon or RackSpace.
Just want to make sure that you are aware that you don't have to use DropBox if you're already using Jungle Disk :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167014</id>
	<title>Re:Unison</title>
	<author>agrif</author>
	<datestamp>1258640400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&lt;scruffy&gt;seconded&lt;/scruffy&gt;

<p>Seriously, unison preforms <em>very well</em>, and it's highly configurable, and cross-platform to boot. I use it to synchronize my music library across multiple hosts, so I can keep up to date on my laptop and mpd server. It's like rsync, with sync rules and no mucking about in serverspace (it runs over ssh).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>seconded Seriously , unison preforms very well , and it 's highly configurable , and cross-platform to boot .
I use it to synchronize my music library across multiple hosts , so I can keep up to date on my laptop and mpd server .
It 's like rsync , with sync rules and no mucking about in serverspace ( it runs over ssh ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>seconded

Seriously, unison preforms very well, and it's highly configurable, and cross-platform to boot.
I use it to synchronize my music library across multiple hosts, so I can keep up to date on my laptop and mpd server.
It's like rsync, with sync rules and no mucking about in serverspace (it runs over ssh).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163944</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163904</id>
	<title>Throw money at it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258626720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bluehost.com | FTP it</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bluehost.com | FTP it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bluehost.com | FTP it</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164590</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258628760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Better to go with encfs for your encryption layer - with Truecrypt, if you change one file in the container the entire container will need to be resynchronized, so will be very inefficient.</p><p>Can't say for certain that encfs is cross-platform but google it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Better to go with encfs for your encryption layer - with Truecrypt , if you change one file in the container the entire container will need to be resynchronized , so will be very inefficient.Ca n't say for certain that encfs is cross-platform but google it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better to go with encfs for your encryption layer - with Truecrypt, if you change one file in the container the entire container will need to be resynchronized, so will be very inefficient.Can't say for certain that encfs is cross-platform but google it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164558</id>
	<title>too fragile</title>
	<author>frovingslosh</author>
	<datestamp>1258628640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i> <b>and external media like USB sticks are a bit too fragile according to my taste.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... So what would you recommend?"</b> </i> </p><p>
I would recommend that if you consider USB flash devices too "fragile" then you likely don't have enough good backups. There might be other reasons for not using a flash drive, and there might be other ways to address your need, but if you are concerned that USB drives are too fragile then I suspect that you are setting yourself up for disaster when something other than flash drive failure compromises your data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and external media like USB sticks are a bit too fragile according to my taste .
... So what would you recommend ?
" I would recommend that if you consider USB flash devices too " fragile " then you likely do n't have enough good backups .
There might be other reasons for not using a flash drive , and there might be other ways to address your need , but if you are concerned that USB drives are too fragile then I suspect that you are setting yourself up for disaster when something other than flash drive failure compromises your data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  and external media like USB sticks are a bit too fragile according to my taste.
... So what would you recommend?
"  
I would recommend that if you consider USB flash devices too "fragile" then you likely don't have enough good backups.
There might be other reasons for not using a flash drive, and there might be other ways to address your need, but if you are concerned that USB drives are too fragile then I suspect that you are setting yourself up for disaster when something other than flash drive failure compromises your data.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30168672</id>
	<title>that's totally unrelated</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1258658460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ZFS isn't a synchronization solution, it's just a file system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ZFS is n't a synchronization solution , it 's just a file system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ZFS isn't a synchronization solution, it's just a file system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164228</id>
	<title>Unison</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258627560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you don't mind having to manually synchronize (and even this limitation can be worked around with a careful set up), I'll say Unison over SSH. It handles circular version conflict resolution quite well, it's not too difficult to setup if in the chain there's only a windows machine (so you don't need to setup a ssh server on the win box) and it's serving me very well. I don't know about OSX but I think it should work there good enough.<br>It has a nice GUI too to manually resolve nasty conflicts (e.g. you modified a document in on two different environments before the sync.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do n't mind having to manually synchronize ( and even this limitation can be worked around with a careful set up ) , I 'll say Unison over SSH .
It handles circular version conflict resolution quite well , it 's not too difficult to setup if in the chain there 's only a windows machine ( so you do n't need to setup a ssh server on the win box ) and it 's serving me very well .
I do n't know about OSX but I think it should work there good enough.It has a nice GUI too to manually resolve nasty conflicts ( e.g .
you modified a document in on two different environments before the sync .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you don't mind having to manually synchronize (and even this limitation can be worked around with a careful set up), I'll say Unison over SSH.
It handles circular version conflict resolution quite well, it's not too difficult to setup if in the chain there's only a windows machine (so you don't need to setup a ssh server on the win box) and it's serving me very well.
I don't know about OSX but I think it should work there good enough.It has a nice GUI too to manually resolve nasty conflicts (e.g.
you modified a document in on two different environments before the sync.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164052</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>fasuin</author>
	<datestamp>1258627080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I support dropbox. It allows you to access your data from any computer via a web interface, and to keep PCs synchronized using a simple apps that runs in background.
It support versioning too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I support dropbox .
It allows you to access your data from any computer via a web interface , and to keep PCs synchronized using a simple apps that runs in background .
It support versioning too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I support dropbox.
It allows you to access your data from any computer via a web interface, and to keep PCs synchronized using a simple apps that runs in background.
It support versioning too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163954</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167406</id>
	<title>Re:svn</title>
	<author>MightyYar</author>
	<datestamp>1258644180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will git handle files on the Mac? I mean things like "resource forks" and the like. When I last looked into it, they were discarded - which limited what you could use it for. I ended up using Unison, even though it lacks version control. I still use Unison, though now far less as I keep my active work in Dropbox.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will git handle files on the Mac ?
I mean things like " resource forks " and the like .
When I last looked into it , they were discarded - which limited what you could use it for .
I ended up using Unison , even though it lacks version control .
I still use Unison , though now far less as I keep my active work in Dropbox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will git handle files on the Mac?
I mean things like "resource forks" and the like.
When I last looked into it, they were discarded - which limited what you could use it for.
I ended up using Unison, even though it lacks version control.
I still use Unison, though now far less as I keep my active work in Dropbox.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164318</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30173248</id>
	<title>git scripts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258741080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i wrote some git scripts to synchronize my computers on my blog http://faltufund.wordpress.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i wrote some git scripts to synchronize my computers on my blog http : //faltufund.wordpress.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i wrote some git scripts to synchronize my computers on my blog http://faltufund.wordpress.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164396</id>
	<title>Re:Throw money at it...</title>
	<author>DesertBlade</author>
	<datestamp>1258628160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had my account suspended for this , bluehost is only for hosting files for websites</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had my account suspended for this , bluehost is only for hosting files for websites</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had my account suspended for this , bluehost is only for hosting files for websites</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163904</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165028</id>
	<title>Re:SpiderOak</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258630500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah works well. Much better sync and backup options that DropBox. You don't have to create one special folder and put everything in it you can just choose which folder you want to backup on each computer and create syncs between any two or more folders on two or more computers... Very nice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah works well .
Much better sync and backup options that DropBox .
You do n't have to create one special folder and put everything in it you can just choose which folder you want to backup on each computer and create syncs between any two or more folders on two or more computers... Very nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah works well.
Much better sync and backup options that DropBox.
You don't have to create one special folder and put everything in it you can just choose which folder you want to backup on each computer and create syncs between any two or more folders on two or more computers... Very nice.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164430</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165328</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>supersloshy</author>
	<datestamp>1258631700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dropbox isn't open and it stores the files online. I would suggest it as well, but he can't control the encryption. Not sure about "Jungle Disk", whatever that is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dropbox is n't open and it stores the files online .
I would suggest it as well , but he ca n't control the encryption .
Not sure about " Jungle Disk " , whatever that is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dropbox isn't open and it stores the files online.
I would suggest it as well, but he can't control the encryption.
Not sure about "Jungle Disk", whatever that is.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163954</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30168610</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258657560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or if OpenSolaris doesn't feel right for some reason (e.g. hardware support), FreeBSD ZFS support is working very well these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or if OpenSolaris does n't feel right for some reason ( e.g .
hardware support ) , FreeBSD ZFS support is working very well these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or if OpenSolaris doesn't feel right for some reason (e.g.
hardware support), FreeBSD ZFS support is working very well these days.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166002</id>
	<title>But this assumes you are online</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258634700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if you need a local copy for those times you don't have connectivity or just poor bandwidth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if you need a local copy for those times you do n't have connectivity or just poor bandwidth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if you need a local copy for those times you don't have connectivity or just poor bandwidth.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164486</id>
	<title>Unison</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258628400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I once saw <a href="http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/" title="upenn.edu" rel="nofollow">Unison</a> [upenn.edu] advertised as a generic cross-platform user-friendly system on top of rsync.</p><p>Dunno if it works in real life or even if it was completely finished as Google SoC project. Perhaps someone else here has tried it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I once saw Unison [ upenn.edu ] advertised as a generic cross-platform user-friendly system on top of rsync.Dunno if it works in real life or even if it was completely finished as Google SoC project .
Perhaps someone else here has tried it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I once saw Unison [upenn.edu] advertised as a generic cross-platform user-friendly system on top of rsync.Dunno if it works in real life or even if it was completely finished as Google SoC project.
Perhaps someone else here has tried it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164498</id>
	<title>Wuala</title>
	<author>etu</author>
	<datestamp>1258628460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Wuala to keep files identically in Windows and Linux. Likely works with Mac as well. I find it quite cool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Wuala to keep files identically in Windows and Linux .
Likely works with Mac as well .
I find it quite cool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Wuala to keep files identically in Windows and Linux.
Likely works with Mac as well.
I find it quite cool.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165568</id>
	<title>Re:Unison</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258632780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Unison to synchronize my iTunes music library (~20GB) between a server and three other machines, and it works perfectly.  The initial sync is slow (as you'd expect), but subsequent syncs are much faster.  Furthermore, unlike using Subversion or most other revision control systems, there's no local duplication overhead.  This does mean a speed impact for determining changes, but it's much nicer to store a 20GB music library in 20GB of space instead of 40GB.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Unison to synchronize my iTunes music library ( ~ 20GB ) between a server and three other machines , and it works perfectly .
The initial sync is slow ( as you 'd expect ) , but subsequent syncs are much faster .
Furthermore , unlike using Subversion or most other revision control systems , there 's no local duplication overhead .
This does mean a speed impact for determining changes , but it 's much nicer to store a 20GB music library in 20GB of space instead of 40GB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Unison to synchronize my iTunes music library (~20GB) between a server and three other machines, and it works perfectly.
The initial sync is slow (as you'd expect), but subsequent syncs are much faster.
Furthermore, unlike using Subversion or most other revision control systems, there's no local duplication overhead.
This does mean a speed impact for determining changes, but it's much nicer to store a 20GB music library in 20GB of space instead of 40GB.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165144</id>
	<title>iFolder!!</title>
	<author>LDAPMAN</author>
	<datestamp>1258631040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's open source and cross platform. Works great!!

<a href="http://www.ifolder.com/ifolder" title="ifolder.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifolder.com/ifolder</a> [ifolder.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's open source and cross platform .
Works great ! !
http : //www.ifolder.com/ifolder [ ifolder.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's open source and cross platform.
Works great!!
http://www.ifolder.com/ifolder [ifolder.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30172242</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258737780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dropbox looks like good suggestion, thanks.</p><p>I tried it out, however, and found its killing Windows Explorer.exe on both a Vista sp2 and an XP sp2 box:</p><p>http://forums.dropbox.com/topic.php?id=14856&amp;replies=1#post-92196</p><p>Bummer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dropbox looks like good suggestion , thanks.I tried it out , however , and found its killing Windows Explorer.exe on both a Vista sp2 and an XP sp2 box : http : //forums.dropbox.com/topic.php ? id = 14856&amp;replies = 1 # post-92196Bummer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dropbox looks like good suggestion, thanks.I tried it out, however, and found its killing Windows Explorer.exe on both a Vista sp2 and an XP sp2 box:http://forums.dropbox.com/topic.php?id=14856&amp;replies=1#post-92196Bummer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165736</id>
	<title>hard drives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258633500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>there is something called external hard drives that allow you to transport the data anywhere just plug it in and go</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there is something called external hard drives that allow you to transport the data anywhere just plug it in and go</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there is something called external hard drives that allow you to transport the data anywhere just plug it in and go</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164932</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>teg</author>
	<datestamp>1258630140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Of course when someone steals your laptop which is syncing to dropbox, the data is theirs. You can unlink updates to the stolen device but the data is gone. I'd love a remote wipe facility.</i> </p><p>
You think you want it. If you think a bit more, you realize it will only help for the scenario where the thief has the password to your account, can log in, dropbox then runs and the computer has a network connection. It won't do anything to protect your data against just reading the hard disk as a super user or from a different computer.

</p><p>
The right way to protect this and other personal data, is to encrypt the whole home directory - Mac, Windows and Linux all have solutions for this (Windows will require the professional version). Make sure to back up frequently, as you've increased your exposure to disk, filesystem or user errors significantly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course when someone steals your laptop which is syncing to dropbox , the data is theirs .
You can unlink updates to the stolen device but the data is gone .
I 'd love a remote wipe facility .
You think you want it .
If you think a bit more , you realize it will only help for the scenario where the thief has the password to your account , can log in , dropbox then runs and the computer has a network connection .
It wo n't do anything to protect your data against just reading the hard disk as a super user or from a different computer .
The right way to protect this and other personal data , is to encrypt the whole home directory - Mac , Windows and Linux all have solutions for this ( Windows will require the professional version ) .
Make sure to back up frequently , as you 've increased your exposure to disk , filesystem or user errors significantly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Of course when someone steals your laptop which is syncing to dropbox, the data is theirs.
You can unlink updates to the stolen device but the data is gone.
I'd love a remote wipe facility.
You think you want it.
If you think a bit more, you realize it will only help for the scenario where the thief has the password to your account, can log in, dropbox then runs and the computer has a network connection.
It won't do anything to protect your data against just reading the hard disk as a super user or from a different computer.
The right way to protect this and other personal data, is to encrypt the whole home directory - Mac, Windows and Linux all have solutions for this (Windows will require the professional version).
Make sure to back up frequently, as you've increased your exposure to disk, filesystem or user errors significantly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165404</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>Shikaku</author>
	<datestamp>1258631940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>luckybackup is a gui for rsync and allows you to sync folders.</p><p>I use it to quickly backup everything.  It doesn't allow versioning, but I use squashfs-tools to remove all redundant files and compress them with lzma.  So I have a folder system of dates for versioning in a highly compressed squashfs file system container, that's mountable.</p><p>sudo apt-get install luckybackup squashfs-tools</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>luckybackup is a gui for rsync and allows you to sync folders.I use it to quickly backup everything .
It does n't allow versioning , but I use squashfs-tools to remove all redundant files and compress them with lzma .
So I have a folder system of dates for versioning in a highly compressed squashfs file system container , that 's mountable.sudo apt-get install luckybackup squashfs-tools</tokentext>
<sentencetext>luckybackup is a gui for rsync and allows you to sync folders.I use it to quickly backup everything.
It doesn't allow versioning, but I use squashfs-tools to remove all redundant files and compress them with lzma.
So I have a folder system of dates for versioning in a highly compressed squashfs file system container, that's mountable.sudo apt-get install luckybackup squashfs-tools</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30163932</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165140</id>
	<title>Re:Distributed version control</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258631040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with Mercurial, Git, etc are the amount of space they take up because you're keeping the entire revision history on every machine.  When I use these though I use Git because it's way faster than Mercurial.</p><p>I don't think revision control systems are suitable for synchronization like we're talking about though.  If you don't commit the changes then they don't show up on the other machines.  That can be a huge pain in the ass.  A true automatic distributed filesytem-type thing is what we really want.  These exist but from what I seen none are any good (eg. they are generally very unstable).  So I think you're stuck with some sort of manual solution like rsync, those online data storage things people keep suggesting (personally I would never trust my data to some 3rd party), revision control, etc...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with Mercurial , Git , etc are the amount of space they take up because you 're keeping the entire revision history on every machine .
When I use these though I use Git because it 's way faster than Mercurial.I do n't think revision control systems are suitable for synchronization like we 're talking about though .
If you do n't commit the changes then they do n't show up on the other machines .
That can be a huge pain in the ass .
A true automatic distributed filesytem-type thing is what we really want .
These exist but from what I seen none are any good ( eg .
they are generally very unstable ) .
So I think you 're stuck with some sort of manual solution like rsync , those online data storage things people keep suggesting ( personally I would never trust my data to some 3rd party ) , revision control , etc.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with Mercurial, Git, etc are the amount of space they take up because you're keeping the entire revision history on every machine.
When I use these though I use Git because it's way faster than Mercurial.I don't think revision control systems are suitable for synchronization like we're talking about though.
If you don't commit the changes then they don't show up on the other machines.
That can be a huge pain in the ass.
A true automatic distributed filesytem-type thing is what we really want.
These exist but from what I seen none are any good (eg.
they are generally very unstable).
So I think you're stuck with some sort of manual solution like rsync, those online data storage things people keep suggesting (personally I would never trust my data to some 3rd party), revision control, etc...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30169674</id>
	<title>nas box running NFS</title>
	<author>smash</author>
	<datestamp>1258719120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All 3 OSes can hook up to NFS (windows using services for unix, built into 7 and vista as well i think.  download for XP i believe).
<p>
Your big problem will be file formats, but openoffice runs on all 3, and other data should be saved in cross-platform friendly formats.
</p><p>
Just save it onto a NAS box that can run NFS, and work from NFS?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All 3 OSes can hook up to NFS ( windows using services for unix , built into 7 and vista as well i think .
download for XP i believe ) .
Your big problem will be file formats , but openoffice runs on all 3 , and other data should be saved in cross-platform friendly formats .
Just save it onto a NAS box that can run NFS , and work from NFS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All 3 OSes can hook up to NFS (windows using services for unix, built into 7 and vista as well i think.
download for XP i believe).
Your big problem will be file formats, but openoffice runs on all 3, and other data should be saved in cross-platform friendly formats.
Just save it onto a NAS box that can run NFS, and work from NFS?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30168054</id>
	<title>Re:dropbox?</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1258651740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've also had good experience with dropbox.  I share not only between computers, but also project files between developers.  It supports file versioning and all the other stuf you'd expect out of a VCS. Download and upload speeds are consistently fast for both American and European team members.  I'm running this on windows and linux flavors.

</p><p>
Hmm, shameless plug - you get yourself and me an extra 250 MB free storage by using this link to sign up...  <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTExNzI1MzE5" title="dropbox.com">https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTExNzI1MzE5</a> [dropbox.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've also had good experience with dropbox .
I share not only between computers , but also project files between developers .
It supports file versioning and all the other stuf you 'd expect out of a VCS .
Download and upload speeds are consistently fast for both American and European team members .
I 'm running this on windows and linux flavors .
Hmm , shameless plug - you get yourself and me an extra 250 MB free storage by using this link to sign up... https : //www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTExNzI1MzE5 [ dropbox.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've also had good experience with dropbox.
I share not only between computers, but also project files between developers.
It supports file versioning and all the other stuf you'd expect out of a VCS.
Download and upload speeds are consistently fast for both American and European team members.
I'm running this on windows and linux flavors.
Hmm, shameless plug - you get yourself and me an extra 250 MB free storage by using this link to sign up...  https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTExNzI1MzE5 [dropbox.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164572</id>
	<title>Super Flexible File Syncronizer or Unison</title>
	<author>mal0rd</author>
	<datestamp>1258628700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use unison (free) or Super Flexible File Synchronizer (better).  Keeping several hosts synchronized is tough because of conflicting changes, temporary files, large stuff you don't want to transfer and moving files.  You need a good UI and smart change tracking, which is what these programs provide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use unison ( free ) or Super Flexible File Synchronizer ( better ) .
Keeping several hosts synchronized is tough because of conflicting changes , temporary files , large stuff you do n't want to transfer and moving files .
You need a good UI and smart change tracking , which is what these programs provide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use unison (free) or Super Flexible File Synchronizer (better).
Keeping several hosts synchronized is tough because of conflicting changes, temporary files, large stuff you don't want to transfer and moving files.
You need a good UI and smart change tracking, which is what these programs provide.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30166620</id>
	<title>The easiest answer...</title>
	<author>itlurksbeneath</author>
	<datestamp>1258637760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You already have JungleDisk.  JungleDisk 3.0 just came out in the last couple of days and has the capability of synchronizing arbitrary folders between computers.  Upgrade is free if you already have JD.  (FYI - not a JungleDisk or Amazon employee, just a happy JungleDisk user of close to 2 years).</htmltext>
<tokenext>You already have JungleDisk .
JungleDisk 3.0 just came out in the last couple of days and has the capability of synchronizing arbitrary folders between computers .
Upgrade is free if you already have JD .
( FYI - not a JungleDisk or Amazon employee , just a happy JungleDisk user of close to 2 years ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You already have JungleDisk.
JungleDisk 3.0 just came out in the last couple of days and has the capability of synchronizing arbitrary folders between computers.
Upgrade is free if you already have JD.
(FYI - not a JungleDisk or Amazon employee, just a happy JungleDisk user of close to 2 years).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167358</id>
	<title>spideroak</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258643520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use spideroak http://www.spideroak.com . Bascilly Dropbox, but with the added "we don't know your data" thing. They tell you that once you loose your password, your data is gone. While it's not (yet) open source and maybe won't be ever, they at least seem to try to keep your data secure. And storing it in the cloud is just soo much more convinient!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use spideroak http : //www.spideroak.com .
Bascilly Dropbox , but with the added " we do n't know your data " thing .
They tell you that once you loose your password , your data is gone .
While it 's not ( yet ) open source and maybe wo n't be ever , they at least seem to try to keep your data secure .
And storing it in the cloud is just soo much more convinient !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use spideroak http://www.spideroak.com .
Bascilly Dropbox, but with the added "we don't know your data" thing.
They tell you that once you loose your password, your data is gone.
While it's not (yet) open source and maybe won't be ever, they at least seem to try to keep your data secure.
And storing it in the cloud is just soo much more convinient!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30165108</id>
	<title>Re:Rsync?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258630920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Better yet, Setup ZFS on a opensolaris box, export the ZFS volume as NFS/Samba share or as an iSCSI target, access from Linux,Solaris,Windows etc.<br>
ZFS can also do compression, and automatic snapshots, not to mention rock solid data integrity with raidz2<ul>
<li>data integrity - check</li><li>remote access - check</li><li>automated incremental backups - check</li><li>No limitations of software raid neither the need for expensive hardware raid - check</li><li>Dead Simple to Use - check</li></ul><p>
Seriously what more do you want from a storage/backup solution ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Better yet , Setup ZFS on a opensolaris box , export the ZFS volume as NFS/Samba share or as an iSCSI target , access from Linux,Solaris,Windows etc .
ZFS can also do compression , and automatic snapshots , not to mention rock solid data integrity with raidz2 data integrity - checkremote access - checkautomated incremental backups - checkNo limitations of software raid neither the need for expensive hardware raid - checkDead Simple to Use - check Seriously what more do you want from a storage/backup solution ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better yet, Setup ZFS on a opensolaris box, export the ZFS volume as NFS/Samba share or as an iSCSI target, access from Linux,Solaris,Windows etc.
ZFS can also do compression, and automatic snapshots, not to mention rock solid data integrity with raidz2
data integrity - checkremote access - checkautomated incremental backups - checkNo limitations of software raid neither the need for expensive hardware raid - checkDead Simple to Use - check
Seriously what more do you want from a storage/backup solution ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30167858</id>
	<title>Synching between operating systems</title>
	<author>cwarner7\_11</author>
	<datestamp>1258649460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, I have been synching data between operating systems (Linux and Windows only, I haven't had a call to do this with OsX yet).  I use my old Palm E2 with Palm OS5, hot synch with each computer in turn.  Documents, spreadsheets, calendar, phone book, expenses, etc.  I don't even have to think about where I last worked on a particular file- HotSync takes care of that.  It is a shame newer technology can not accomplish the same tasks that were trivial a couple of years ago...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I have been synching data between operating systems ( Linux and Windows only , I have n't had a call to do this with OsX yet ) .
I use my old Palm E2 with Palm OS5 , hot synch with each computer in turn .
Documents , spreadsheets , calendar , phone book , expenses , etc .
I do n't even have to think about where I last worked on a particular file- HotSync takes care of that .
It is a shame newer technology can not accomplish the same tasks that were trivial a couple of years ago.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I have been synching data between operating systems (Linux and Windows only, I haven't had a call to do this with OsX yet).
I use my old Palm E2 with Palm OS5, hot synch with each computer in turn.
Documents, spreadsheets, calendar, phone book, expenses, etc.
I don't even have to think about where I last worked on a particular file- HotSync takes care of that.
It is a shame newer technology can not accomplish the same tasks that were trivial a couple of years ago...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164876</id>
	<title>Never used it but...</title>
	<author>belloc1</author>
	<datestamp>1258629900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.powerfolder.com/" title="powerfolder.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.powerfolder.com/</a> [powerfolder.com]</p><p>Might be worth a look?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.powerfolder.com/ [ powerfolder.com ] Might be worth a look ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.powerfolder.com/ [powerfolder.com]Might be worth a look?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_2059221.30164278</id>
	<title>Proven technology</title>
	<author>eln</author>
	<datestamp>1258627680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>external media like USB sticks are a bit too fragile according to my taste</p></div><p>That's because you're using the wrong external media.  You're going for new and exciting and not old and reliable.  What you need to do is convert all of your data to human-readable binary (you know, 1100110001111 and so on), and chisel it on to large stone tablets.  These are extremely resistant to wear, especially if stored with the written side down, and are virtually theft proof (who's going to steal a bunch of 500-pound rocks?).
<br> <br>You can also easily transfer data from one machine to another either via forklift or just by bringing the machines to the tablets themselves.  Backup to Jungle Disk is simple:  store a second set of tablets in the Amazon (you can even have a DR site in southeast Asia!), and hire local villagers to update them for you.  You should provide a telegraph machine to the villagers to send data back and forth for synchronization purposes.  If the telegraph is too unreliable, you can use an elaborate network of smoke signal or semaphore (the thing with the flags) specialists to send data back and forth.<br> <br>
Encryption may be a little more difficult, but easily solved if you happen to have a couple of old <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma\_machine" title="wikipedia.org">Enigma machines</a> [wikipedia.org] sitting around (and really, who doesn't?).  If the Enigma machine isn't reliable enough, Little Orphan Annie decoder pins can be used instead.
<br> <br>
HTH.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>external media like USB sticks are a bit too fragile according to my tasteThat 's because you 're using the wrong external media .
You 're going for new and exciting and not old and reliable .
What you need to do is convert all of your data to human-readable binary ( you know , 1100110001111 and so on ) , and chisel it on to large stone tablets .
These are extremely resistant to wear , especially if stored with the written side down , and are virtually theft proof ( who 's going to steal a bunch of 500-pound rocks ? ) .
You can also easily transfer data from one machine to another either via forklift or just by bringing the machines to the tablets themselves .
Backup to Jungle Disk is simple : store a second set of tablets in the Amazon ( you can even have a DR site in southeast Asia !
) , and hire local villagers to update them for you .
You should provide a telegraph machine to the villagers to send data back and forth for synchronization purposes .
If the telegraph is too unreliable , you can use an elaborate network of smoke signal or semaphore ( the thing with the flags ) specialists to send data back and forth .
Encryption may be a little more difficult , but easily solved if you happen to have a couple of old Enigma machines [ wikipedia.org ] sitting around ( and really , who does n't ? ) .
If the Enigma machine is n't reliable enough , Little Orphan Annie decoder pins can be used instead .
HTH .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>external media like USB sticks are a bit too fragile according to my tasteThat's because you're using the wrong external media.
You're going for new and exciting and not old and reliable.
What you need to do is convert all of your data to human-readable binary (you know, 1100110001111 and so on), and chisel it on to large stone tablets.
These are extremely resistant to wear, especially if stored with the written side down, and are virtually theft proof (who's going to steal a bunch of 500-pound rocks?).
You can also easily transfer data from one machine to another either via forklift or just by bringing the machines to the tablets themselves.
Backup to Jungle Disk is simple:  store a second set of tablets in the Amazon (you can even have a DR site in southeast Asia!
), and hire local villagers to update them for you.
You should provide a telegraph machine to the villagers to send data back and forth for synchronization purposes.
If the telegraph is too unreliable, you can use an elaborate network of smoke signal or semaphore (the thing with the flags) specialists to send data back and forth.
Encryption may be a little more difficult, but easily solved if you happen to have a couple of old Enigma machines [wikipedia.org] sitting around (and really, who doesn't?).
If the Enigma machine isn't reliable enough, Little Orphan Annie decoder pins can be used instead.
HTH.
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	<title>CrashPlan?</title>
	<author>Kryten107</author>
	<datestamp>1258636860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was researching this earlier today and found something called CrashPlan, but admittedly I haven't had time to read about it yet. Could be useful? Supports Win/OSX/Linux. <a href="http://www9.crashplan.com/landing/index.html" title="crashplan.com" rel="nofollow">http://www9.crashplan.com/landing/index.html</a> [crashplan.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was researching this earlier today and found something called CrashPlan , but admittedly I have n't had time to read about it yet .
Could be useful ?
Supports Win/OSX/Linux .
http : //www9.crashplan.com/landing/index.html [ crashplan.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was researching this earlier today and found something called CrashPlan, but admittedly I haven't had time to read about it yet.
Could be useful?
Supports Win/OSX/Linux.
http://www9.crashplan.com/landing/index.html [crashplan.com]</sentencetext>
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