<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_19_1342230</id>
	<title>GIMP Dropped From Ubuntu 10.04</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1258640520000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>kai\_hiwatari writes <i>"It looks like the Ubuntu developers consider GIMP to be <a href="http://digitizor.com/2009/11/19/gimp-to-be-dropped-from-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/">too powerful for a normal desktop user</a>. They are <a href="http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/gimp-to-be-removed-lucid.html">removing it from the upcoming Ubuntu 10.04</a>. Among the reasons cited are that the UI is too complex, it takes up room on the disc, and 'desktop users just want to edit photos and they can do that in F-Spot.''"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>kai \ _hiwatari writes " It looks like the Ubuntu developers consider GIMP to be too powerful for a normal desktop user .
They are removing it from the upcoming Ubuntu 10.04 .
Among the reasons cited are that the UI is too complex , it takes up room on the disc , and 'desktop users just want to edit photos and they can do that in F-Spot .
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<sentencetext>kai\_hiwatari writes "It looks like the Ubuntu developers consider GIMP to be too powerful for a normal desktop user.
They are removing it from the upcoming Ubuntu 10.04.
Among the reasons cited are that the UI is too complex, it takes up room on the disc, and 'desktop users just want to edit photos and they can do that in F-Spot.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156690</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258647480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no, it is a more a general problem with any group of people very familiar with a certain topic. for example, i am in mathematics so i would use a term like "non-linear partial differential equation" where simply saying "math equation" would be understandable to someone not in the field of mathematics.</p><p>similarly, to someone not in the field of Free Software, who does not know about the GPL or Software Licensing, or who does not know about the various philosophical debates around open vs. closed source, the name GIMP does not make sense, whereas the name "Image Editor" would make sense.</p><p>So yes, the name should be dumbed down so I understand it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) if it is not "dumbed down" it will only appeal to that certain group of people familiar with the aforementioned topics in Open Source software. is this a good or bad situation? well, if the GIMP wants mass market appeal, it is a bad situation. if it wants to remain a niche product, it is a good situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no , it is a more a general problem with any group of people very familiar with a certain topic .
for example , i am in mathematics so i would use a term like " non-linear partial differential equation " where simply saying " math equation " would be understandable to someone not in the field of mathematics.similarly , to someone not in the field of Free Software , who does not know about the GPL or Software Licensing , or who does not know about the various philosophical debates around open vs. closed source , the name GIMP does not make sense , whereas the name " Image Editor " would make sense.So yes , the name should be dumbed down so I understand it .
: ) if it is not " dumbed down " it will only appeal to that certain group of people familiar with the aforementioned topics in Open Source software .
is this a good or bad situation ?
well , if the GIMP wants mass market appeal , it is a bad situation .
if it wants to remain a niche product , it is a good situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no, it is a more a general problem with any group of people very familiar with a certain topic.
for example, i am in mathematics so i would use a term like "non-linear partial differential equation" where simply saying "math equation" would be understandable to someone not in the field of mathematics.similarly, to someone not in the field of Free Software, who does not know about the GPL or Software Licensing, or who does not know about the various philosophical debates around open vs. closed source, the name GIMP does not make sense, whereas the name "Image Editor" would make sense.So yes, the name should be dumbed down so I understand it.
:) if it is not "dumbed down" it will only appeal to that certain group of people familiar with the aforementioned topics in Open Source software.
is this a good or bad situation?
well, if the GIMP wants mass market appeal, it is a bad situation.
if it wants to remain a niche product, it is a good situation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30159660</id>
	<title>F-Spot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258656600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can see the rationale for not including professional photo editing - after all, professional sound editing in the form of Audacity is not in the core suite either.</p><p>However, the idea that F-Spot is useful for anything is just ludicrous. Like Gnome-XChat and Empathy, it has only one bug: Whenever I open it, it sucks. Even Google's closed-source, shoddily-ported Windows application Picasa is better in performance and UI.</p><p>Along with the 9.10 replacement of Pidgin with Empathy, Ubuntu is showing a worrying trend of picking inferior default software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see the rationale for not including professional photo editing - after all , professional sound editing in the form of Audacity is not in the core suite either.However , the idea that F-Spot is useful for anything is just ludicrous .
Like Gnome-XChat and Empathy , it has only one bug : Whenever I open it , it sucks .
Even Google 's closed-source , shoddily-ported Windows application Picasa is better in performance and UI.Along with the 9.10 replacement of Pidgin with Empathy , Ubuntu is showing a worrying trend of picking inferior default software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see the rationale for not including professional photo editing - after all, professional sound editing in the form of Audacity is not in the core suite either.However, the idea that F-Spot is useful for anything is just ludicrous.
Like Gnome-XChat and Empathy, it has only one bug: Whenever I open it, it sucks.
Even Google's closed-source, shoddily-ported Windows application Picasa is better in performance and UI.Along with the 9.10 replacement of Pidgin with Empathy, Ubuntu is showing a worrying trend of picking inferior default software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158134</id>
	<title>Doesn't bother me at all.</title>
	<author>rnturn</author>
	<datestamp>1258651800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't figured what all the fuss over Ubuntu is all about anyway. I have a collection of fairly plain-vanilla systems at home that use run-of-the-mill motherboards (from the likes of Gigabyte and Asus) and, on some of them, I haven't been able to get Ubuntu's CDs to even boot. And in those system that will boot the Ubuntu CD the hardware detection fails and nothing will install. Funny that I don't have this problem with Red Hat, SuSE, or even Solaris.

</p><p>So if Ubuntu wishes to be another Outer Limits type operating system, a la Apple, ("We control the vertical. We control the horizontal"), let 'em. The GIMP takes up space on the CD? What else do they want that CD space for? Crimeny! They're making that one up, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't figured what all the fuss over Ubuntu is all about anyway .
I have a collection of fairly plain-vanilla systems at home that use run-of-the-mill motherboards ( from the likes of Gigabyte and Asus ) and , on some of them , I have n't been able to get Ubuntu 's CDs to even boot .
And in those system that will boot the Ubuntu CD the hardware detection fails and nothing will install .
Funny that I do n't have this problem with Red Hat , SuSE , or even Solaris .
So if Ubuntu wishes to be another Outer Limits type operating system , a la Apple , ( " We control the vertical .
We control the horizontal " ) , let 'em .
The GIMP takes up space on the CD ?
What else do they want that CD space for ?
Crimeny ! They 're making that one up , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't figured what all the fuss over Ubuntu is all about anyway.
I have a collection of fairly plain-vanilla systems at home that use run-of-the-mill motherboards (from the likes of Gigabyte and Asus) and, on some of them, I haven't been able to get Ubuntu's CDs to even boot.
And in those system that will boot the Ubuntu CD the hardware detection fails and nothing will install.
Funny that I don't have this problem with Red Hat, SuSE, or even Solaris.
So if Ubuntu wishes to be another Outer Limits type operating system, a la Apple, ("We control the vertical.
We control the horizontal"), let 'em.
The GIMP takes up space on the CD?
What else do they want that CD space for?
Crimeny! They're making that one up, right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30162742</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Tim C</author>
	<datestamp>1258623180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The "weird interface" makes perfect sense with multiple virtual desktops or multiple screens</i></p><p>Are you suggesting that different windows (i.e. different parts of the same program) should be put on different desktops?</p><p>The last thing I would want to do would be to have to switch desktops to find the window with the particular control I want to use. That might make more sense if you have the desktops visible at the same time on two different monitors, but there is still too much scope to lose windows behind other windows (imho of course - your mileage obviously does vary).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " weird interface " makes perfect sense with multiple virtual desktops or multiple screensAre you suggesting that different windows ( i.e .
different parts of the same program ) should be put on different desktops ? The last thing I would want to do would be to have to switch desktops to find the window with the particular control I want to use .
That might make more sense if you have the desktops visible at the same time on two different monitors , but there is still too much scope to lose windows behind other windows ( imho of course - your mileage obviously does vary ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "weird interface" makes perfect sense with multiple virtual desktops or multiple screensAre you suggesting that different windows (i.e.
different parts of the same program) should be put on different desktops?The last thing I would want to do would be to have to switch desktops to find the window with the particular control I want to use.
That might make more sense if you have the desktops visible at the same time on two different monitors, but there is still too much scope to lose windows behind other windows (imho of course - your mileage obviously does vary).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30165460</id>
	<title>Re:The name says what it does</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258632180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And your Mom's a CUNT*!<br>I can't see how you could object to that characterization... after all it says what it does.</p><p>Kevin</p><p>*Carbon-based Unit that Nurtured Tepples</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And your Mom 's a CUNT * ! I ca n't see how you could object to that characterization... after all it says what it does.Kevin * Carbon-based Unit that Nurtured Tepples</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And your Mom's a CUNT*!I can't see how you could object to that characterization... after all it says what it does.Kevin*Carbon-based Unit that Nurtured Tepples</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156136</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156988</id>
	<title>I'm use GIMP everyday but this is good news!</title>
	<author>hoomanb</author>
	<datestamp>1258648500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's why:
1. This means Canonical developers care for the usability &amp; simplicity of Ubuntu.
2. It also means that GIMP is getting more advanced.
3. There is really no downside to this because GIMP can still be install in seconds if you want it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's why : 1 .
This means Canonical developers care for the usability &amp; simplicity of Ubuntu .
2. It also means that GIMP is getting more advanced .
3. There is really no downside to this because GIMP can still be install in seconds if you want it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's why:
1.
This means Canonical developers care for the usability &amp; simplicity of Ubuntu.
2. It also means that GIMP is getting more advanced.
3. There is really no downside to this because GIMP can still be install in seconds if you want it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157768</id>
	<title>Explain please.</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1258650660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First time I read this...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First time I read this.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First time I read this...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156764</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30161284</id>
	<title>MSIE</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1258661580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Nobody tries to call Microsoft Internet Explorer MIE, though.</p></div><p>Some Microsoft initialisms start with M (such as MFC); others start with MS (such as 2.8 million Google hits for MSIE).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody tries to call Microsoft Internet Explorer MIE , though.Some Microsoft initialisms start with M ( such as MFC ) ; others start with MS ( such as 2.8 million Google hits for MSIE ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody tries to call Microsoft Internet Explorer MIE, though.Some Microsoft initialisms start with M (such as MFC); others start with MS (such as 2.8 million Google hits for MSIE).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157260</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160292</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1258658280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you tried using Photoshop with multiple monitors? MDI is a horrible pain in the ass with that, IMHO. I much prefer just using a virtual desktop for GIMP and having multiple windows.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you tried using Photoshop with multiple monitors ?
MDI is a horrible pain in the ass with that , IMHO .
I much prefer just using a virtual desktop for GIMP and having multiple windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you tried using Photoshop with multiple monitors?
MDI is a horrible pain in the ass with that, IMHO.
I much prefer just using a virtual desktop for GIMP and having multiple windows.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156152</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30183252</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>pbhj</author>
	<datestamp>1258804500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What would be the upside of changing the name?  [...]  KDE doesn't even really mean anything (at least the K doesn't), so should it change its name so it makes more sense to you?</p></div><p>Exactly KDE doesn't mean anything.</p><p>Imagine if you will Linus had called his kernel Fuckwit (that's an extreme, rude, form of idiot in English). Now, do you suppose it would have been adopted in many business settings? Or even introduced to as many friends? "Gimp" is probably not quite as perjorative as "fuckwit" but for some people it's not far off.</p><p>I thought "Imp" was a better name, all ready to go with a mascot idea too (an Imp is a mischievous masculine fairy-like creature). You can even call it GNU IMP if you're concerned to enlarge the GNU trademark but just brand the program as Imp.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What would be the upside of changing the name ?
[ ... ] KDE does n't even really mean anything ( at least the K does n't ) , so should it change its name so it makes more sense to you ? Exactly KDE does n't mean anything.Imagine if you will Linus had called his kernel Fuckwit ( that 's an extreme , rude , form of idiot in English ) .
Now , do you suppose it would have been adopted in many business settings ?
Or even introduced to as many friends ?
" Gimp " is probably not quite as perjorative as " fuckwit " but for some people it 's not far off.I thought " Imp " was a better name , all ready to go with a mascot idea too ( an Imp is a mischievous masculine fairy-like creature ) .
You can even call it GNU IMP if you 're concerned to enlarge the GNU trademark but just brand the program as Imp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What would be the upside of changing the name?
[...]  KDE doesn't even really mean anything (at least the K doesn't), so should it change its name so it makes more sense to you?Exactly KDE doesn't mean anything.Imagine if you will Linus had called his kernel Fuckwit (that's an extreme, rude, form of idiot in English).
Now, do you suppose it would have been adopted in many business settings?
Or even introduced to as many friends?
"Gimp" is probably not quite as perjorative as "fuckwit" but for some people it's not far off.I thought "Imp" was a better name, all ready to go with a mascot idea too (an Imp is a mischievous masculine fairy-like creature).
You can even call it GNU IMP if you're concerned to enlarge the GNU trademark but just brand the program as Imp.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30161350</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1258661820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about "Smuckers?" With a name like Smuckers, it has to be good!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about " Smuckers ?
" With a name like Smuckers , it has to be good !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about "Smuckers?
" With a name like Smuckers, it has to be good!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156368</id>
	<title>Photoshop Dropped From Windows 7!</title>
	<author>Akita24</author>
	<datestamp>1258646400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Film at 11<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... sheesh.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Film at 11 ... sheesh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Film at 11 ... sheesh.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156128</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>Teun</author>
	<datestamp>1258645500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once you start using it it's just like with any new application a matter of time and experience for it to become familiar.<p>
But then I never experienced Photoshop long enough to see it as a standard.</p><p>
Anyhow, for those like me that need it it's just a quick download away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once you start using it it 's just like with any new application a matter of time and experience for it to become familiar .
But then I never experienced Photoshop long enough to see it as a standard .
Anyhow , for those like me that need it it 's just a quick download away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once you start using it it's just like with any new application a matter of time and experience for it to become familiar.
But then I never experienced Photoshop long enough to see it as a standard.
Anyhow, for those like me that need it it's just a quick download away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156720</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258647600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nobody is stopping you, or anyone else, from getting Gimp code and changing the UI. If nobody wanted to do that, tough luck.</p><p>Also, if you think that GIMP comes even remotely close to a tool like Photoshop, you clearly have no idea what the capabilities in a decent image manipulation package are.</p><p>And speaking about finding stuff, Photoshop is not all sugar and rainbows either. You need to learn a lot to properly use many of its features.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody is stopping you , or anyone else , from getting Gimp code and changing the UI .
If nobody wanted to do that , tough luck.Also , if you think that GIMP comes even remotely close to a tool like Photoshop , you clearly have no idea what the capabilities in a decent image manipulation package are.And speaking about finding stuff , Photoshop is not all sugar and rainbows either .
You need to learn a lot to properly use many of its features .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody is stopping you, or anyone else, from getting Gimp code and changing the UI.
If nobody wanted to do that, tough luck.Also, if you think that GIMP comes even remotely close to a tool like Photoshop, you clearly have no idea what the capabilities in a decent image manipulation package are.And speaking about finding stuff, Photoshop is not all sugar and rainbows either.
You need to learn a lot to properly use many of its features.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156562</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258647120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yeah, it's a terrible name; I wouldn't be surprised if the name itself was a significant factor in making the decision.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah , it 's a terrible name ; I would n't be surprised if the name itself was a significant factor in making the decision .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah, it's a terrible name; I wouldn't be surprised if the name itself was a significant factor in making the decision.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30155896</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158484</id>
	<title>Ubuntu Studio</title>
	<author>kayoshiii</author>
	<datestamp>1258652880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its worth noting that gimp will still be part of the default install for Ubuntu Studio. Should you require Gimp on a default install of some kind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its worth noting that gimp will still be part of the default install for Ubuntu Studio .
Should you require Gimp on a default install of some kind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its worth noting that gimp will still be part of the default install for Ubuntu Studio.
Should you require Gimp on a default install of some kind.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157958</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258651260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are welcome to fork the GIMP and call it whatever you want. Hey, maybe you want to change the "finger" command while you are at it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are welcome to fork the GIMP and call it whatever you want .
Hey , maybe you want to change the " finger " command while you are at it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are welcome to fork the GIMP and call it whatever you want.
Hey, maybe you want to change the "finger" command while you are at it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156764</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156272</id>
	<title>It all depends on what you're accustomed to.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258645980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I feel as confused in Photoshop as many Slashdot commenters seem to be in GIMP. This is likely because I learned to do image editing / design tasks on GIMP, not on Photoshop. Even the last round of GIMP UI changes, which many applauded, left me more confused than I used to be when using GIMP. The thought that GIMP is adopting a "single window mode" really depresses me.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I feel as confused in Photoshop as many Slashdot commenters seem to be in GIMP .
This is likely because I learned to do image editing / design tasks on GIMP , not on Photoshop .
Even the last round of GIMP UI changes , which many applauded , left me more confused than I used to be when using GIMP .
The thought that GIMP is adopting a " single window mode " really depresses me .
: - (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I feel as confused in Photoshop as many Slashdot commenters seem to be in GIMP.
This is likely because I learned to do image editing / design tasks on GIMP, not on Photoshop.
Even the last round of GIMP UI changes, which many applauded, left me more confused than I used to be when using GIMP.
The thought that GIMP is adopting a "single window mode" really depresses me.
:-(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30159794</id>
	<title>F Spot?</title>
	<author>jmac\_the\_man</author>
	<datestamp>1258656900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>After all this complaining about how awful the name GIMP is, pretty much since the name was instituted, and it gets replaced with a program called F Spot? As in "One Version Inferior to the G Spot?"
<p>
Seriously, if in doubt, let someone else name your programs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After all this complaining about how awful the name GIMP is , pretty much since the name was instituted , and it gets replaced with a program called F Spot ?
As in " One Version Inferior to the G Spot ?
" Seriously , if in doubt , let someone else name your programs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After all this complaining about how awful the name GIMP is, pretty much since the name was instituted, and it gets replaced with a program called F Spot?
As in "One Version Inferior to the G Spot?
"

Seriously, if in doubt, let someone else name your programs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158402</id>
	<title>The big deal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258652640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The big deal is this!</p><p>- F-Spot is based on mono<br>- GIMP is not</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The big deal is this ! - F-Spot is based on mono- GIMP is not</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The big deal is this!- F-Spot is based on mono- GIMP is not</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156434</id>
	<title>Re:The name says what it does</title>
	<author>fbjon</author>
	<datestamp>1258646640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is worse, because it's an acronym. Not only that, the acronym already exists as an unrelated word in the dictionary, so it's twice as bad. And it has some rather unflattering meanings, so that's three times worse!<br>
Here's a far better name, took me 2 minutes to think of: <br> <br> <strong>G</strong>NU <strong>I</strong>mage <strong>M</strong>anipulation, or <strong>GIM</strong>, pronounced "Jim" as in "Jimmy up some lolcats in there" or "fake, that pic's been jimmed!".<br> <br>Easier to pronounce, has no meaning as either GIM or "Jim" in any language I can think of, except as a name in English.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is worse , because it 's an acronym .
Not only that , the acronym already exists as an unrelated word in the dictionary , so it 's twice as bad .
And it has some rather unflattering meanings , so that 's three times worse !
Here 's a far better name , took me 2 minutes to think of : GNU Image Manipulation , or GIM , pronounced " Jim " as in " Jimmy up some lolcats in there " or " fake , that pic 's been jimmed ! " .
Easier to pronounce , has no meaning as either GIM or " Jim " in any language I can think of , except as a name in English .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is worse, because it's an acronym.
Not only that, the acronym already exists as an unrelated word in the dictionary, so it's twice as bad.
And it has some rather unflattering meanings, so that's three times worse!
Here's a far better name, took me 2 minutes to think of:   GNU Image Manipulation, or GIM, pronounced "Jim" as in "Jimmy up some lolcats in there" or "fake, that pic's been jimmed!".
Easier to pronounce, has no meaning as either GIM or "Jim" in any language I can think of, except as a name in English.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156134</id>
	<title>Re:I have no issue with this</title>
	<author>Jay Maynard</author>
	<datestamp>1258645500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amen. Every time I've tried using the GIMP, I gave up in total frustration. I worked at it for a while when I needed a graphics editing program on my OS X laptop, and finally deleted it in disgust and bought Pixelmator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amen .
Every time I 've tried using the GIMP , I gave up in total frustration .
I worked at it for a while when I needed a graphics editing program on my OS X laptop , and finally deleted it in disgust and bought Pixelmator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amen.
Every time I've tried using the GIMP, I gave up in total frustration.
I worked at it for a while when I needed a graphics editing program on my OS X laptop, and finally deleted it in disgust and bought Pixelmator.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30155908</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158604</id>
	<title>Minimal...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258653180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've no issue with this.  Since it's still in the main repo I can just install it when I install the other apps that I use that don't come default with Ubuntu, no big deal.  The OS package, even for basic users, should be minimal.  Give me system that works out of box with a clean easy to understand GUI (or other interface), give me a browser to get to the inter-tubes, and give me a way to get supported software.  I can take it from there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've no issue with this .
Since it 's still in the main repo I can just install it when I install the other apps that I use that do n't come default with Ubuntu , no big deal .
The OS package , even for basic users , should be minimal .
Give me system that works out of box with a clean easy to understand GUI ( or other interface ) , give me a browser to get to the inter-tubes , and give me a way to get supported software .
I can take it from there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've no issue with this.
Since it's still in the main repo I can just install it when I install the other apps that I use that don't come default with Ubuntu, no big deal.
The OS package, even for basic users, should be minimal.
Give me system that works out of box with a clean easy to understand GUI (or other interface), give me a browser to get to the inter-tubes, and give me a way to get supported software.
I can take it from there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157968</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258651320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I hear 'gimp' I think of that plasticy stuff kids used to make bracelets in the 80s...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I hear 'gimp ' I think of that plasticy stuff kids used to make bracelets in the 80s.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I hear 'gimp' I think of that plasticy stuff kids used to make bracelets in the 80s...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156764</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158014</id>
	<title>Re:The name says what it does</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258651440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice Troll, bro</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice Troll , bro</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice Troll, bro</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156136</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158512</id>
	<title>This is a non-issue for desktop users</title>
	<author>dswensen</author>
	<datestamp>1258652940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check the Experiences &amp; Testimonials forum, and you will see that desktop users primarily care about two things:</p><p>1) that Ubuntu works perfectly with their hardware,</p><p>2) that they don't have to use the command line.</p><p>If a user's going to complain about GIMP, they're going to complain that it doesn't have the plugins and features Photoshop does. Not that oh noes it's too complicated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check the Experiences &amp; Testimonials forum , and you will see that desktop users primarily care about two things : 1 ) that Ubuntu works perfectly with their hardware,2 ) that they do n't have to use the command line.If a user 's going to complain about GIMP , they 're going to complain that it does n't have the plugins and features Photoshop does .
Not that oh noes it 's too complicated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check the Experiences &amp; Testimonials forum, and you will see that desktop users primarily care about two things:1) that Ubuntu works perfectly with their hardware,2) that they don't have to use the command line.If a user's going to complain about GIMP, they're going to complain that it doesn't have the plugins and features Photoshop does.
Not that oh noes it's too complicated.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156190</id>
	<title>Re:What is F Spot?</title>
	<author>drumbug1</author>
	<datestamp>1258645740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your google is broken, eh?

<br>
<br>apt-cache search f-spot

<br>sudo apt-get install f-spot

<br>http://f-spot.org</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your google is broken , eh ?
apt-cache search f-spot sudo apt-get install f-spot http : //f-spot.org</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your google is broken, eh?
apt-cache search f-spot

sudo apt-get install f-spot

http://f-spot.org</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156582</id>
	<title>Re:What is F Spot?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258647240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/f-spot" title="ubuntu.com" rel="nofollow">http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/f-spot</a> [ubuntu.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/f-spot [ ubuntu.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/f-spot [ubuntu.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156922</id>
	<title>Photoshop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258648260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe it's because I haven't used it in a while, or maybe I got used to Gimp. But I've always found Photoshop confusing as all hell. Mostly because whenever I opened it, I was stunned by the sheer number of choices available, it was almost too much. Gimp's layout is interesting, but I haven't found it to be nearly as difficult as most people claim. Honestly, I think a lot of the nay-sayers are just really used to Photoshop, and dislike anything that isn't like what they know (see: IE users).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it 's because I have n't used it in a while , or maybe I got used to Gimp .
But I 've always found Photoshop confusing as all hell .
Mostly because whenever I opened it , I was stunned by the sheer number of choices available , it was almost too much .
Gimp 's layout is interesting , but I have n't found it to be nearly as difficult as most people claim .
Honestly , I think a lot of the nay-sayers are just really used to Photoshop , and dislike anything that is n't like what they know ( see : IE users ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's because I haven't used it in a while, or maybe I got used to Gimp.
But I've always found Photoshop confusing as all hell.
Mostly because whenever I opened it, I was stunned by the sheer number of choices available, it was almost too much.
Gimp's layout is interesting, but I haven't found it to be nearly as difficult as most people claim.
Honestly, I think a lot of the nay-sayers are just really used to Photoshop, and dislike anything that isn't like what they know (see: IE users).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156158</id>
	<title>Good</title>
	<author>ledow</author>
	<datestamp>1258645560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I may be just me but as a casual user, I'm glad someone else realises this.</p><p>I use Irfanview for conversion, resizing, cropping and other basics (yes, even on Linux - sorry but it runs perfect on WINE and does 90\% of what I need to do to get photos from digital media or my scanner, get them ready for going across the internet, onto various accounts, to relatives, etc. in a decent time).  I use Paint Shop Pro, or the virtually identical but cheaper ancient-version-of-Serif-Photoplus that I still have, for anything more "fancy".  With those I've done everything from creating panaromic photo images to creating individual bits of clipart, to doing curves, borders and backgrounds for websites and all sorts.</p><p>But GIMP?  Hell, I don't even know where to start whenever I load it.  I've installed it dozens of times thinking I must be missing something that makes it easier to use but it's just not worth my time.  The photoshop-modifications made it a million times simpler in a matter of seconds, why they aren't the default I can't fathom.</p><p>Simple fact is, I specify software for schools.  If they demand a free bit of software, we use Irfanview for scanning, conversion, cropping etc. and maybe Artweaver for anything that needs to be created.  GIMP has never got past the "WTF is that" stage of its initial screens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I may be just me but as a casual user , I 'm glad someone else realises this.I use Irfanview for conversion , resizing , cropping and other basics ( yes , even on Linux - sorry but it runs perfect on WINE and does 90 \ % of what I need to do to get photos from digital media or my scanner , get them ready for going across the internet , onto various accounts , to relatives , etc .
in a decent time ) .
I use Paint Shop Pro , or the virtually identical but cheaper ancient-version-of-Serif-Photoplus that I still have , for anything more " fancy " .
With those I 've done everything from creating panaromic photo images to creating individual bits of clipart , to doing curves , borders and backgrounds for websites and all sorts.But GIMP ?
Hell , I do n't even know where to start whenever I load it .
I 've installed it dozens of times thinking I must be missing something that makes it easier to use but it 's just not worth my time .
The photoshop-modifications made it a million times simpler in a matter of seconds , why they are n't the default I ca n't fathom.Simple fact is , I specify software for schools .
If they demand a free bit of software , we use Irfanview for scanning , conversion , cropping etc .
and maybe Artweaver for anything that needs to be created .
GIMP has never got past the " WTF is that " stage of its initial screens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I may be just me but as a casual user, I'm glad someone else realises this.I use Irfanview for conversion, resizing, cropping and other basics (yes, even on Linux - sorry but it runs perfect on WINE and does 90\% of what I need to do to get photos from digital media or my scanner, get them ready for going across the internet, onto various accounts, to relatives, etc.
in a decent time).
I use Paint Shop Pro, or the virtually identical but cheaper ancient-version-of-Serif-Photoplus that I still have, for anything more "fancy".
With those I've done everything from creating panaromic photo images to creating individual bits of clipart, to doing curves, borders and backgrounds for websites and all sorts.But GIMP?
Hell, I don't even know where to start whenever I load it.
I've installed it dozens of times thinking I must be missing something that makes it easier to use but it's just not worth my time.
The photoshop-modifications made it a million times simpler in a matter of seconds, why they aren't the default I can't fathom.Simple fact is, I specify software for schools.
If they demand a free bit of software, we use Irfanview for scanning, conversion, cropping etc.
and maybe Artweaver for anything that needs to be created.
GIMP has never got past the "WTF is that" stage of its initial screens.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156554</id>
	<title>Re:I have no issue with this</title>
	<author>FlyingBishop</author>
	<datestamp>1258647120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The biggest issue I see is that Adobe has Photoshop / Illustrator and Linux has Gimp / Inkscape.</p><p>Of the four, I vastly prefer Inkscape and wish there were a raster program with a comparable interface.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest issue I see is that Adobe has Photoshop / Illustrator and Linux has Gimp / Inkscape.Of the four , I vastly prefer Inkscape and wish there were a raster program with a comparable interface .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest issue I see is that Adobe has Photoshop / Illustrator and Linux has Gimp / Inkscape.Of the four, I vastly prefer Inkscape and wish there were a raster program with a comparable interface.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30162182</id>
	<title>Remove Open Office too please</title>
	<author>masmullin</author>
	<datestamp>1258621380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nothing wrong with getting a slimmer installation.  I'd like to get rid of OO.org from the default install too.  Hell, get rid of everything non-essential, then have a "desktop-user-experience" package which installs people's most commonly used utils.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing wrong with getting a slimmer installation .
I 'd like to get rid of OO.org from the default install too .
Hell , get rid of everything non-essential , then have a " desktop-user-experience " package which installs people 's most commonly used utils .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing wrong with getting a slimmer installation.
I'd like to get rid of OO.org from the default install too.
Hell, get rid of everything non-essential, then have a "desktop-user-experience" package which installs people's most commonly used utils.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158446</id>
	<title>GIMP devs taking a hint?</title>
	<author>Daishiman</author>
	<datestamp>1258652760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This may be an indirect hint from Canonical to the GIMP devs that their package needs a lot of work still.<br>
It just might work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This may be an indirect hint from Canonical to the GIMP devs that their package needs a lot of work still .
It just might work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This may be an indirect hint from Canonical to the GIMP devs that their package needs a lot of work still.
It just might work.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158278</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1258652220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi, then, it appears we haven't met.</p><p>Sorry, but no, I don't want a Photoshop interface on *anything*, even The GIMP. The GIMP's interface is cluttered as hell, but that of Photoshop is just obnoxious: it knows it's used by people to do everything from coloring drawings to retouching photos to creating logos and web graphics, so it throws *everything* at you to see what sticks. You could use Photoshop for an entire year, and yet have never used half the buttons on the toolbar, nevermind the stuff on the pull-down menus.</p><p>No, you want a good interface? look at Inkscape or Xara. They're applications that know what they are and don't even *try* to pretend otherwise. As a result, sure, they're not Photoshop replacements for 90\% of the crap people do with it, but for the remaining 10\% they're vastly superior alternatives to Adobe's cashcow.</p><p>And yes, there's plenty of people who use it for vector drawings instead of Illustrator, much like there's plenty of people who use it for photo manipulation instead of Lightroom. And the problem with Photoshop is precisely the fact that they still cater to those idiots, on their interface, on their default options, on *everything*. And the worst part is, I've heard they've even integrated video editing on the latest version, as moronic as that sounds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi , then , it appears we have n't met.Sorry , but no , I do n't want a Photoshop interface on * anything * , even The GIMP .
The GIMP 's interface is cluttered as hell , but that of Photoshop is just obnoxious : it knows it 's used by people to do everything from coloring drawings to retouching photos to creating logos and web graphics , so it throws * everything * at you to see what sticks .
You could use Photoshop for an entire year , and yet have never used half the buttons on the toolbar , nevermind the stuff on the pull-down menus.No , you want a good interface ?
look at Inkscape or Xara .
They 're applications that know what they are and do n't even * try * to pretend otherwise .
As a result , sure , they 're not Photoshop replacements for 90 \ % of the crap people do with it , but for the remaining 10 \ % they 're vastly superior alternatives to Adobe 's cashcow.And yes , there 's plenty of people who use it for vector drawings instead of Illustrator , much like there 's plenty of people who use it for photo manipulation instead of Lightroom .
And the problem with Photoshop is precisely the fact that they still cater to those idiots , on their interface , on their default options , on * everything * .
And the worst part is , I 've heard they 've even integrated video editing on the latest version , as moronic as that sounds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi, then, it appears we haven't met.Sorry, but no, I don't want a Photoshop interface on *anything*, even The GIMP.
The GIMP's interface is cluttered as hell, but that of Photoshop is just obnoxious: it knows it's used by people to do everything from coloring drawings to retouching photos to creating logos and web graphics, so it throws *everything* at you to see what sticks.
You could use Photoshop for an entire year, and yet have never used half the buttons on the toolbar, nevermind the stuff on the pull-down menus.No, you want a good interface?
look at Inkscape or Xara.
They're applications that know what they are and don't even *try* to pretend otherwise.
As a result, sure, they're not Photoshop replacements for 90\% of the crap people do with it, but for the remaining 10\% they're vastly superior alternatives to Adobe's cashcow.And yes, there's plenty of people who use it for vector drawings instead of Illustrator, much like there's plenty of people who use it for photo manipulation instead of Lightroom.
And the problem with Photoshop is precisely the fact that they still cater to those idiots, on their interface, on their default options, on *everything*.
And the worst part is, I've heard they've even integrated video editing on the latest version, as moronic as that sounds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30165786</id>
	<title>Re:mingetty</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258633680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ha! Why did you have to point that out?<br>I'm from the UK and in many years I've never noticed that particular reading of the name (I read it the same at the first responder does).</p><p>Now minge will be all I see from now on...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ha !
Why did you have to point that out ? I 'm from the UK and in many years I 've never noticed that particular reading of the name ( I read it the same at the first responder does ) .Now minge will be all I see from now on.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ha!
Why did you have to point that out?I'm from the UK and in many years I've never noticed that particular reading of the name (I read it the same at the first responder does).Now minge will be all I see from now on...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30183732</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258813740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean something like this? This is the power of GIMP. The PS is just a lousy and weak when it comes to multiple monitors and multiple virtualdesktops. With GIMP you can have so many different projects as you have virtualdesktops. Every photo of project open on every virtualdesktop. Then you can easily swap desktops and see all photos from project what you need. And when having multiple monitor, you can just keep one monitor like this and drag photos from there to your working desktopon bigger size. Easy and powerfull, only with GIMP.</p><p>http://2.bp.blogspot.com/\_wmx3OgdATU0/RyCz\_-KcmVI/AAAAAAAAATo/qVnCtxrP4v8/s1600-h/Screenshot-1.png</p><p>(Wait, one day Adobe will change the UI from MDI to SDI (again) and they will be overhauled how easy it is working on Mac OSX Spaces. What does GIMP people do then on Windows? They whine about GIMP name as it would matter).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean something like this ?
This is the power of GIMP .
The PS is just a lousy and weak when it comes to multiple monitors and multiple virtualdesktops .
With GIMP you can have so many different projects as you have virtualdesktops .
Every photo of project open on every virtualdesktop .
Then you can easily swap desktops and see all photos from project what you need .
And when having multiple monitor , you can just keep one monitor like this and drag photos from there to your working desktopon bigger size .
Easy and powerfull , only with GIMP.http : //2.bp.blogspot.com/ \ _wmx3OgdATU0/RyCz \ _-KcmVI/AAAAAAAAATo/qVnCtxrP4v8/s1600-h/Screenshot-1.png ( Wait , one day Adobe will change the UI from MDI to SDI ( again ) and they will be overhauled how easy it is working on Mac OSX Spaces .
What does GIMP people do then on Windows ?
They whine about GIMP name as it would matter ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean something like this?
This is the power of GIMP.
The PS is just a lousy and weak when it comes to multiple monitors and multiple virtualdesktops.
With GIMP you can have so many different projects as you have virtualdesktops.
Every photo of project open on every virtualdesktop.
Then you can easily swap desktops and see all photos from project what you need.
And when having multiple monitor, you can just keep one monitor like this and drag photos from there to your working desktopon bigger size.
Easy and powerfull, only with GIMP.http://2.bp.blogspot.com/\_wmx3OgdATU0/RyCz\_-KcmVI/AAAAAAAAATo/qVnCtxrP4v8/s1600-h/Screenshot-1.png(Wait, one day Adobe will change the UI from MDI to SDI (again) and they will be overhauled how easy it is working on Mac OSX Spaces.
What does GIMP people do then on Windows?
They whine about GIMP name as it would matter).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158090</id>
	<title>Re:G... dropped</title>
	<author>MonsterTrimble</author>
	<datestamp>1258651680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, I would prefer Kubuntu not be considered the redheaded step child of the three big *buntus. I do agree with Kubuntu's devs deciding to act like it's Ubuntu-minimal + KDE rather than the previous ubuntu + KDE bits tacked on. Only good things can come of it. Next time I rebuild my system I'm going to do KDE Neon + ubuntu-minimal.<br>
<br>
As for Irfanview, yeah, it's awesome. Now if it would only open a file when I double click on it instead of just opening I'd be happier than a pig in manure.<br>
<br>As echoed previously: <b>sudo aptitude install gimp</b>. Make it so.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I would prefer Kubuntu not be considered the redheaded step child of the three big * buntus .
I do agree with Kubuntu 's devs deciding to act like it 's Ubuntu-minimal + KDE rather than the previous ubuntu + KDE bits tacked on .
Only good things can come of it .
Next time I rebuild my system I 'm going to do KDE Neon + ubuntu-minimal .
As for Irfanview , yeah , it 's awesome .
Now if it would only open a file when I double click on it instead of just opening I 'd be happier than a pig in manure .
As echoed previously : sudo aptitude install gimp .
Make it so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I would prefer Kubuntu not be considered the redheaded step child of the three big *buntus.
I do agree with Kubuntu's devs deciding to act like it's Ubuntu-minimal + KDE rather than the previous ubuntu + KDE bits tacked on.
Only good things can come of it.
Next time I rebuild my system I'm going to do KDE Neon + ubuntu-minimal.
As for Irfanview, yeah, it's awesome.
Now if it would only open a file when I double click on it instead of just opening I'd be happier than a pig in manure.
As echoed previously: sudo aptitude install gimp.
Make it so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157724</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1258650540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's no way that I'd roll out gimp in an educational setting, and the every joke in this thread is an example of why.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no way that I 'd roll out gimp in an educational setting , and the every joke in this thread is an example of why .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no way that I'd roll out gimp in an educational setting, and the every joke in this thread is an example of why.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30161332</id>
	<title>its "gimpy"</title>
	<author>sunfly</author>
	<datestamp>1258661820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The world of photo editing is one of the few areas left were there is simply no real competition on the mid to high end.  There is Photoshop, and several less powerful apps.  I so wanted Gimp to succeed, but the whole interface is simply a train wreck.  Power users need more, and normal users will beat their brains in with a crowbar before figuring out how to run Gimp.  The only reason its even alive at all, is the aforementioned lack of any competition.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The world of photo editing is one of the few areas left were there is simply no real competition on the mid to high end .
There is Photoshop , and several less powerful apps .
I so wanted Gimp to succeed , but the whole interface is simply a train wreck .
Power users need more , and normal users will beat their brains in with a crowbar before figuring out how to run Gimp .
The only reason its even alive at all , is the aforementioned lack of any competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The world of photo editing is one of the few areas left were there is simply no real competition on the mid to high end.
There is Photoshop, and several less powerful apps.
I so wanted Gimp to succeed, but the whole interface is simply a train wreck.
Power users need more, and normal users will beat their brains in with a crowbar before figuring out how to run Gimp.
The only reason its even alive at all, is the aforementioned lack of any competition.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157802</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>value\_added</author>
	<datestamp>1258650780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I use Irfanview for conversion, resizing, cropping and other basics (yes, even on Linux - sorry but it runs perfect on WINE and does 90\% of what I need<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</i></p><p>Not a big fan of Irfanview, but what I can't get over is why the *nix world lacks an image viewer that is as fast as Irfanview is, or as fast as similar programs like ACDSee, etc.  Most such programs that ship by default with popular Linux distros are somewhere between embarassing and next to useless.</p><p>It's similar to the situation with trying to get Firefox to use an external viewer for graphics (i.e., "No such option" or "Use this add-on and we might give you an option buried in a context menu").  I don't care how nifty, feature-full, or stylised your image gallery home website is, who really wants to use a frigging browser to display anything other than thumbnails?</p><p>As for conversion, resizing, cropping, etc., you might want to look into <a href="http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php" title="imagemagick.org">ImageMagick</a> [imagemagick.org].  A bit overkill for most, but for automated tasks, nothing beats it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Irfanview for conversion , resizing , cropping and other basics ( yes , even on Linux - sorry but it runs perfect on WINE and does 90 \ % of what I need ...Not a big fan of Irfanview , but what I ca n't get over is why the * nix world lacks an image viewer that is as fast as Irfanview is , or as fast as similar programs like ACDSee , etc .
Most such programs that ship by default with popular Linux distros are somewhere between embarassing and next to useless.It 's similar to the situation with trying to get Firefox to use an external viewer for graphics ( i.e. , " No such option " or " Use this add-on and we might give you an option buried in a context menu " ) .
I do n't care how nifty , feature-full , or stylised your image gallery home website is , who really wants to use a frigging browser to display anything other than thumbnails ? As for conversion , resizing , cropping , etc. , you might want to look into ImageMagick [ imagemagick.org ] .
A bit overkill for most , but for automated tasks , nothing beats it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Irfanview for conversion, resizing, cropping and other basics (yes, even on Linux - sorry but it runs perfect on WINE and does 90\% of what I need ...Not a big fan of Irfanview, but what I can't get over is why the *nix world lacks an image viewer that is as fast as Irfanview is, or as fast as similar programs like ACDSee, etc.
Most such programs that ship by default with popular Linux distros are somewhere between embarassing and next to useless.It's similar to the situation with trying to get Firefox to use an external viewer for graphics (i.e., "No such option" or "Use this add-on and we might give you an option buried in a context menu").
I don't care how nifty, feature-full, or stylised your image gallery home website is, who really wants to use a frigging browser to display anything other than thumbnails?As for conversion, resizing, cropping, etc., you might want to look into ImageMagick [imagemagick.org].
A bit overkill for most, but for automated tasks, nothing beats it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30171158</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1258732920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, and "faggot" is just a bunch of sticks. But that doesn't mean I'm naming my software that and expecting people to take me seriously.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and " faggot " is just a bunch of sticks .
But that does n't mean I 'm naming my software that and expecting people to take me seriously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, and "faggot" is just a bunch of sticks.
But that doesn't mean I'm naming my software that and expecting people to take me seriously.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158540</id>
	<title>Re:They've got this one backwards.</title>
	<author>dswensen</author>
	<datestamp>1258653000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used Photoshop for about a decade before switching to GIMP, and it's not that confusing. Certainly, if you expect them to behave the same, you're in for some confusion, but if you approach it on its own terms rather than expecting it to be Photoshop, you'll have a better time of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used Photoshop for about a decade before switching to GIMP , and it 's not that confusing .
Certainly , if you expect them to behave the same , you 're in for some confusion , but if you approach it on its own terms rather than expecting it to be Photoshop , you 'll have a better time of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used Photoshop for about a decade before switching to GIMP, and it's not that confusing.
Certainly, if you expect them to behave the same, you're in for some confusion, but if you approach it on its own terms rather than expecting it to be Photoshop, you'll have a better time of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30159096</id>
	<title>Ubuntu - Dumbing Down for U</title>
	<author>Mister Liberty</author>
	<datestamp>1258654680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The dumbing down started in earnest with 9.10 Karmic Koala.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The dumbing down started in earnest with 9.10 Karmic Koala .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The dumbing down started in earnest with 9.10 Karmic Koala.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30169032</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1258710360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After 10 years of critizism even the Gimp guys see that 50\% of their users want another UI, and they currently are working on an additional UI which is better (and they leave the old one for the other 50\% of their audience)<br>So I guess justifying the old Gimp UI nowadays is pointless, the new UI is coming the Gimp guys are working on at as we speak.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After 10 years of critizism even the Gimp guys see that 50 \ % of their users want another UI , and they currently are working on an additional UI which is better ( and they leave the old one for the other 50 \ % of their audience ) So I guess justifying the old Gimp UI nowadays is pointless , the new UI is coming the Gimp guys are working on at as we speak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After 10 years of critizism even the Gimp guys see that 50\% of their users want another UI, and they currently are working on an additional UI which is better (and they leave the old one for the other 50\% of their audience)So I guess justifying the old Gimp UI nowadays is pointless, the new UI is coming the Gimp guys are working on at as we speak.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160136</id>
	<title>The war that can't be won</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1258657860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People love to talk about which OS/dist is more "usable", which one people unfamiliar with the more visceral workings of computers and software can deal with.</p><p>The painful fact is, and it still seems much overlooked... Computers are a bitch to use. They are extremely complicated things. They take more practice to become affluently capable with than anything.</p><p>Cars? Sure, you have to know a thing or two to fix them (which is still generally less convoluted than computers), but if you want to drive a car you just have to turn the key until the damn thing starts. It's easy to tell when it's not working, and there's not much of a gradient between "Working Fine" and "Fucked".</p><p>Cooking... there's a lot of science to cooking, there's a lot of talent involved in making things look or taste good, but if you want to make that meat tender and nutritious you just got to heat it up.</p><p>Politics? It's all art.</p><p>Music? It's not hard to make a sound and only takes a bit of practice to make something sound alright.</p><p>Writing? Reading? Just an extension of something already inherent to us.</p><p>Files and directories and GUIs and upgrades and inputs and outputs and interrupts and standards and buses and and and... it's all <em>a big fucking mess</em> and it's hard to keep up with.</p><p>Regardless of the arguments, it's the truth that all the big contenders have made incredible strides and thanks to those proprietary bastards, open source pragmatists and free software zealots there's still much progress that, collectively, we <em>will</em> be able to make.</p><p>And GIMP sucks. I use it all the time and it still drives me batshit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People love to talk about which OS/dist is more " usable " , which one people unfamiliar with the more visceral workings of computers and software can deal with.The painful fact is , and it still seems much overlooked... Computers are a bitch to use .
They are extremely complicated things .
They take more practice to become affluently capable with than anything.Cars ?
Sure , you have to know a thing or two to fix them ( which is still generally less convoluted than computers ) , but if you want to drive a car you just have to turn the key until the damn thing starts .
It 's easy to tell when it 's not working , and there 's not much of a gradient between " Working Fine " and " Fucked " .Cooking... there 's a lot of science to cooking , there 's a lot of talent involved in making things look or taste good , but if you want to make that meat tender and nutritious you just got to heat it up.Politics ?
It 's all art.Music ?
It 's not hard to make a sound and only takes a bit of practice to make something sound alright.Writing ?
Reading ? Just an extension of something already inherent to us.Files and directories and GUIs and upgrades and inputs and outputs and interrupts and standards and buses and and and... it 's all a big fucking mess and it 's hard to keep up with.Regardless of the arguments , it 's the truth that all the big contenders have made incredible strides and thanks to those proprietary bastards , open source pragmatists and free software zealots there 's still much progress that , collectively , we will be able to make.And GIMP sucks .
I use it all the time and it still drives me batshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People love to talk about which OS/dist is more "usable", which one people unfamiliar with the more visceral workings of computers and software can deal with.The painful fact is, and it still seems much overlooked... Computers are a bitch to use.
They are extremely complicated things.
They take more practice to become affluently capable with than anything.Cars?
Sure, you have to know a thing or two to fix them (which is still generally less convoluted than computers), but if you want to drive a car you just have to turn the key until the damn thing starts.
It's easy to tell when it's not working, and there's not much of a gradient between "Working Fine" and "Fucked".Cooking... there's a lot of science to cooking, there's a lot of talent involved in making things look or taste good, but if you want to make that meat tender and nutritious you just got to heat it up.Politics?
It's all art.Music?
It's not hard to make a sound and only takes a bit of practice to make something sound alright.Writing?
Reading? Just an extension of something already inherent to us.Files and directories and GUIs and upgrades and inputs and outputs and interrupts and standards and buses and and and... it's all a big fucking mess and it's hard to keep up with.Regardless of the arguments, it's the truth that all the big contenders have made incredible strides and thanks to those proprietary bastards, open source pragmatists and free software zealots there's still much progress that, collectively, we will be able to make.And GIMP sucks.
I use it all the time and it still drives me batshit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30162246</id>
	<title>No big deal</title>
	<author>jgs90</author>
	<datestamp>1258621560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Alright well honestly...this isn't devastating "news" if you want to call it that.  I think GIMP is a terrific program, very comparable to those such as Adobe Photoshop and Paint Shop Pro.  I also think its terrific because, well, its free!  If they don't include it that just means a faster install time.  Less stuff to worry about writing to hard disk.  You can always install it yourself later on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Alright well honestly...this is n't devastating " news " if you want to call it that .
I think GIMP is a terrific program , very comparable to those such as Adobe Photoshop and Paint Shop Pro .
I also think its terrific because , well , its free !
If they do n't include it that just means a faster install time .
Less stuff to worry about writing to hard disk .
You can always install it yourself later on ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alright well honestly...this isn't devastating "news" if you want to call it that.
I think GIMP is a terrific program, very comparable to those such as Adobe Photoshop and Paint Shop Pro.
I also think its terrific because, well, its free!
If they don't include it that just means a faster install time.
Less stuff to worry about writing to hard disk.
You can always install it yourself later on ;-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156264</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>PixelSlut</author>
	<datestamp>1258645920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What would be the upside of changing the name?  It's still going to be the same software, it's going to do at least as much as it does now... but you think it's somehow going to be better because it has a different name??  Should GNOME change its name to something a little less garden-variety, or a little less dungeons and dragonsy?  KDE doesn't even really mean anything (at least the K doesn't), so should it change its name so it makes more sense to you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What would be the upside of changing the name ?
It 's still going to be the same software , it 's going to do at least as much as it does now... but you think it 's somehow going to be better because it has a different name ? ?
Should GNOME change its name to something a little less garden-variety , or a little less dungeons and dragonsy ?
KDE does n't even really mean anything ( at least the K does n't ) , so should it change its name so it makes more sense to you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What would be the upside of changing the name?
It's still going to be the same software, it's going to do at least as much as it does now... but you think it's somehow going to be better because it has a different name??
Should GNOME change its name to something a little less garden-variety, or a little less dungeons and dragonsy?
KDE doesn't even really mean anything (at least the K doesn't), so should it change its name so it makes more sense to you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158316</id>
	<title>Re:This spells bad news for the GIMP project.</title>
	<author>Will.Woodhull</author>
	<datestamp>1258652340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suggest keeping an eye on GIMP, there is talk of significant improvement in the interface coming along in the next few months.

</p><p>Which makes me wonder if this isn't part of the reason for it being dropped from the Ubuntu 10.4 default install. There WILL be confusion and complaints when the GIMP interface is improved, since no matter how good it becomes, it is going to break lots of the tutorials and workflows that are all over the web. I think it is a very smart move for Ubuntu to distance itself from this.

</p><p>I find it amusing that Blender is mentioned in a paragraph that discusses UI/UX improvements. I like Blender and expect to be doing a lot of work with it... but its interface is gawdawful bad. Yeah, the blenderistas keep telling me it was designed by professionals for a professional environment.... uh, sure, yeah, you bet. Mostly the Blender interface serves as an excellent filter that assures the core Blender community will never be overwhelmed by barbarian hordes seeking the equivalent of PowerPoint or Flash instant gratification in a 3D modeler.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suggest keeping an eye on GIMP , there is talk of significant improvement in the interface coming along in the next few months .
Which makes me wonder if this is n't part of the reason for it being dropped from the Ubuntu 10.4 default install .
There WILL be confusion and complaints when the GIMP interface is improved , since no matter how good it becomes , it is going to break lots of the tutorials and workflows that are all over the web .
I think it is a very smart move for Ubuntu to distance itself from this .
I find it amusing that Blender is mentioned in a paragraph that discusses UI/UX improvements .
I like Blender and expect to be doing a lot of work with it... but its interface is gawdawful bad .
Yeah , the blenderistas keep telling me it was designed by professionals for a professional environment.... uh , sure , yeah , you bet .
Mostly the Blender interface serves as an excellent filter that assures the core Blender community will never be overwhelmed by barbarian hordes seeking the equivalent of PowerPoint or Flash instant gratification in a 3D modeler .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suggest keeping an eye on GIMP, there is talk of significant improvement in the interface coming along in the next few months.
Which makes me wonder if this isn't part of the reason for it being dropped from the Ubuntu 10.4 default install.
There WILL be confusion and complaints when the GIMP interface is improved, since no matter how good it becomes, it is going to break lots of the tutorials and workflows that are all over the web.
I think it is a very smart move for Ubuntu to distance itself from this.
I find it amusing that Blender is mentioned in a paragraph that discusses UI/UX improvements.
I like Blender and expect to be doing a lot of work with it... but its interface is gawdawful bad.
Yeah, the blenderistas keep telling me it was designed by professionals for a professional environment.... uh, sure, yeah, you bet.
Mostly the Blender interface serves as an excellent filter that assures the core Blender community will never be overwhelmed by barbarian hordes seeking the equivalent of PowerPoint or Flash instant gratification in a 3D modeler.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30155908</id>
	<title>I have no issue with this</title>
	<author>C\_Kode</author>
	<datestamp>1258644600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have no issue with this.  Gimp is more than most people need anyhow and maybe it will be a good kick in the nads to get the Gimp guys to clean it up a little more.</p><p>Photoshop is a lot more intuitive than Gimp is.  I always feel like I have to jump through hoops to do the same thing in Gimp as I do in Photoshop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no issue with this .
Gimp is more than most people need anyhow and maybe it will be a good kick in the nads to get the Gimp guys to clean it up a little more.Photoshop is a lot more intuitive than Gimp is .
I always feel like I have to jump through hoops to do the same thing in Gimp as I do in Photoshop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have no issue with this.
Gimp is more than most people need anyhow and maybe it will be a good kick in the nads to get the Gimp guys to clean it up a little more.Photoshop is a lot more intuitive than Gimp is.
I always feel like I have to jump through hoops to do the same thing in Gimp as I do in Photoshop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157074</id>
	<title>not a surprise</title>
	<author>smoker2</author>
	<datestamp>1258648740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I look forward to the day when Canonical finally get rid of that pesky Linux thing from their default install. I mean all it does is confuse people who can't run their walmart bought software on it. Die Ubuntu die.<br> <br>A distribution for those who can't find their ass with both hands.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I look forward to the day when Canonical finally get rid of that pesky Linux thing from their default install .
I mean all it does is confuse people who ca n't run their walmart bought software on it .
Die Ubuntu die .
A distribution for those who ca n't find their ass with both hands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I look forward to the day when Canonical finally get rid of that pesky Linux thing from their default install.
I mean all it does is confuse people who can't run their walmart bought software on it.
Die Ubuntu die.
A distribution for those who can't find their ass with both hands.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160594</id>
	<title>Pushing higher visibility for F-Spot</title>
	<author>ThatsNotPudding</author>
	<datestamp>1258659240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>is done to help lock-in a Mono requirement for Ubuntu.<br> <br>/MonoNoNo FTW</htmltext>
<tokenext>is done to help lock-in a Mono requirement for Ubuntu .
/MonoNoNo FTW</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is done to help lock-in a Mono requirement for Ubuntu.
/MonoNoNo FTW</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156116</id>
	<title>Yay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258645440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, so they removed GIMP.  Maybe not so bad... assuming their out-of-the-install "replacement" was decent.  But come on, F-Spot?  What the f***?  Seriously?  I don't like so-called "media libraries" that ask you for a specific "working directory" and mention copying all your crap over to it *right on the first screen*.  I guess the best thing about this is that it's only a \_sudo apt-get install gimp\_ away.  Couldn't their replacement at least be a proper image EDITOR, not all-in-one manager?  No way in hell I'm touching F-Spot, that's for sure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , so they removed GIMP .
Maybe not so bad... assuming their out-of-the-install " replacement " was decent .
But come on , F-Spot ?
What the f * * * ?
Seriously ? I do n't like so-called " media libraries " that ask you for a specific " working directory " and mention copying all your crap over to it * right on the first screen * .
I guess the best thing about this is that it 's only a \ _sudo apt-get install gimp \ _ away .
Could n't their replacement at least be a proper image EDITOR , not all-in-one manager ?
No way in hell I 'm touching F-Spot , that 's for sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, so they removed GIMP.
Maybe not so bad... assuming their out-of-the-install "replacement" was decent.
But come on, F-Spot?
What the f***?
Seriously?  I don't like so-called "media libraries" that ask you for a specific "working directory" and mention copying all your crap over to it *right on the first screen*.
I guess the best thing about this is that it's only a \_sudo apt-get install gimp\_ away.
Couldn't their replacement at least be a proper image EDITOR, not all-in-one manager?
No way in hell I'm touching F-Spot, that's for sure.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156288</id>
	<title>they're right to do it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258646040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not trolling. It's probably true that most ubuntu users are incapable of using the GIMP, or any application more complex than a simple (probably unresizable) window with just a File menu and File-&gt;Quit option.</p><p>GIMP is a great application, but not for gknobs.</p><p>As such, in a distro designed for gnobs, it is unsurprising to see it go the same way as most other essential linux tools (eg konqueror and other assorted kde 3.x apps).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not trolling .
It 's probably true that most ubuntu users are incapable of using the GIMP , or any application more complex than a simple ( probably unresizable ) window with just a File menu and File- &gt; Quit option.GIMP is a great application , but not for gknobs.As such , in a distro designed for gnobs , it is unsurprising to see it go the same way as most other essential linux tools ( eg konqueror and other assorted kde 3.x apps ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not trolling.
It's probably true that most ubuntu users are incapable of using the GIMP, or any application more complex than a simple (probably unresizable) window with just a File menu and File-&gt;Quit option.GIMP is a great application, but not for gknobs.As such, in a distro designed for gnobs, it is unsurprising to see it go the same way as most other essential linux tools (eg konqueror and other assorted kde 3.x apps).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30159148</id>
	<title>gthumb to default</title>
	<author>GNUPublicLicense</author>
	<datestamp>1258654860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Indeed they are rigth on one point: gimp has a complex GUI for basic photo editing. The proper way is to go like blender, split the engine and the GUI.

But I thougth GEGL was that engine, then it's a matter to have basic photo edition done with this engine.

As far as I'm concern, people around me prefer gthumb by far, it is more usuable, more stable, damn faster, damn leaner etc...

Maybe 10.04 is also the time to default to gthumb.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed they are rigth on one point : gimp has a complex GUI for basic photo editing .
The proper way is to go like blender , split the engine and the GUI .
But I thougth GEGL was that engine , then it 's a matter to have basic photo edition done with this engine .
As far as I 'm concern , people around me prefer gthumb by far , it is more usuable , more stable , damn faster , damn leaner etc.. . Maybe 10.04 is also the time to default to gthumb .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed they are rigth on one point: gimp has a complex GUI for basic photo editing.
The proper way is to go like blender, split the engine and the GUI.
But I thougth GEGL was that engine, then it's a matter to have basic photo edition done with this engine.
As far as I'm concern, people around me prefer gthumb by far, it is more usuable, more stable, damn faster, damn leaner etc...

Maybe 10.04 is also the time to default to gthumb.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30166404</id>
	<title>F-Spot made me install Xubuntu instead of Ubuntu</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258636620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>F-Spot sucks! Everything about F-Spot sucks. It is tidious to use, use a lot of resources and is buggy as hell. It doesn't have anything good to offer. It's pure crap.</p><p>Rythmbox sucks. But at least it's not Banshee, right?</p><p>Tomboy is a good idea, but it is just too buggy and resource hungry to be useful.</p><p>Beagle sucks, it is just too buggy and resource hungry to compensate for its relatively small usefulness.</p><p>Empathy, I don't know if it sucks, but I don't need it.</p><p>OpenOffice sucks. But I might need it. (I would love lightweight document-viewers to replace it. As a production tool it sucks. Documents created in OO look as crappy as if they were created in MS Office and it is almost as tidious to use. But you still have too be able to read a lot of documents).</p><p>Evolution, all its bells and whistles that I don't use because I'm not a desktop jockey (just like most Ubuntu users) makes it a security nightmare.</p><p>Firefox sucks. But you need it for webpages were you can't use a more user friendly, less buggy, less resource hungry and faster browser. God I hate to install 30+ plugins to make FF useful and resonably secure (but slow as molasses and as bug ridden as a cheep whore). Either get rid of it from Ubuntu or make Flashblock, NoScript, NoSquint, Downthemall and all the other necessery stuff preinstalled in the distribution with good settings. Oh, and a good set of user stylesheets and scriptmonkey scripts (most Ubuntu users aren't savvy enough to create those themselfes). Or just ship Ubuntu with Opera or some other more useable browser. With enough users, webpage makers have to start support other browsers then IE and Firefox.</p><p>It is just to much crap to uninstall. And the dependencies in apt is fucked up and make all unnecessery things hard to get rid of. So either I install Ubuntu minimal and have to manually install all the stuff I need (and I still can't get rid of Evolution if I want to use GNOME and automatic updates), or I install Xubuntu which has less crappy crapware that is easier to uninstall.</p><p>I prefer GNOME before XFCE, but either I had to stop using Ubuntu with it's large userbase and good support from external players (like online banks, software and hardware makers, et.c.), or I would have to spend hours to hunt down unnecessecery useless stuff that Ubunut put into their GNOME version (and I still wouldn't get rid of Evolution that is to thightly integrated into Ubuntu) or use slightly less time, but still hours, to install everything I need manually from Ubuntu Minimal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>F-Spot sucks !
Everything about F-Spot sucks .
It is tidious to use , use a lot of resources and is buggy as hell .
It does n't have anything good to offer .
It 's pure crap.Rythmbox sucks .
But at least it 's not Banshee , right ? Tomboy is a good idea , but it is just too buggy and resource hungry to be useful.Beagle sucks , it is just too buggy and resource hungry to compensate for its relatively small usefulness.Empathy , I do n't know if it sucks , but I do n't need it.OpenOffice sucks .
But I might need it .
( I would love lightweight document-viewers to replace it .
As a production tool it sucks .
Documents created in OO look as crappy as if they were created in MS Office and it is almost as tidious to use .
But you still have too be able to read a lot of documents ) .Evolution , all its bells and whistles that I do n't use because I 'm not a desktop jockey ( just like most Ubuntu users ) makes it a security nightmare.Firefox sucks .
But you need it for webpages were you ca n't use a more user friendly , less buggy , less resource hungry and faster browser .
God I hate to install 30 + plugins to make FF useful and resonably secure ( but slow as molasses and as bug ridden as a cheep whore ) .
Either get rid of it from Ubuntu or make Flashblock , NoScript , NoSquint , Downthemall and all the other necessery stuff preinstalled in the distribution with good settings .
Oh , and a good set of user stylesheets and scriptmonkey scripts ( most Ubuntu users are n't savvy enough to create those themselfes ) .
Or just ship Ubuntu with Opera or some other more useable browser .
With enough users , webpage makers have to start support other browsers then IE and Firefox.It is just to much crap to uninstall .
And the dependencies in apt is fucked up and make all unnecessery things hard to get rid of .
So either I install Ubuntu minimal and have to manually install all the stuff I need ( and I still ca n't get rid of Evolution if I want to use GNOME and automatic updates ) , or I install Xubuntu which has less crappy crapware that is easier to uninstall.I prefer GNOME before XFCE , but either I had to stop using Ubuntu with it 's large userbase and good support from external players ( like online banks , software and hardware makers , et.c .
) , or I would have to spend hours to hunt down unnecessecery useless stuff that Ubunut put into their GNOME version ( and I still would n't get rid of Evolution that is to thightly integrated into Ubuntu ) or use slightly less time , but still hours , to install everything I need manually from Ubuntu Minimal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>F-Spot sucks!
Everything about F-Spot sucks.
It is tidious to use, use a lot of resources and is buggy as hell.
It doesn't have anything good to offer.
It's pure crap.Rythmbox sucks.
But at least it's not Banshee, right?Tomboy is a good idea, but it is just too buggy and resource hungry to be useful.Beagle sucks, it is just too buggy and resource hungry to compensate for its relatively small usefulness.Empathy, I don't know if it sucks, but I don't need it.OpenOffice sucks.
But I might need it.
(I would love lightweight document-viewers to replace it.
As a production tool it sucks.
Documents created in OO look as crappy as if they were created in MS Office and it is almost as tidious to use.
But you still have too be able to read a lot of documents).Evolution, all its bells and whistles that I don't use because I'm not a desktop jockey (just like most Ubuntu users) makes it a security nightmare.Firefox sucks.
But you need it for webpages were you can't use a more user friendly, less buggy, less resource hungry and faster browser.
God I hate to install 30+ plugins to make FF useful and resonably secure (but slow as molasses and as bug ridden as a cheep whore).
Either get rid of it from Ubuntu or make Flashblock, NoScript, NoSquint, Downthemall and all the other necessery stuff preinstalled in the distribution with good settings.
Oh, and a good set of user stylesheets and scriptmonkey scripts (most Ubuntu users aren't savvy enough to create those themselfes).
Or just ship Ubuntu with Opera or some other more useable browser.
With enough users, webpage makers have to start support other browsers then IE and Firefox.It is just to much crap to uninstall.
And the dependencies in apt is fucked up and make all unnecessery things hard to get rid of.
So either I install Ubuntu minimal and have to manually install all the stuff I need (and I still can't get rid of Evolution if I want to use GNOME and automatic updates), or I install Xubuntu which has less crappy crapware that is easier to uninstall.I prefer GNOME before XFCE, but either I had to stop using Ubuntu with it's large userbase and good support from external players (like online banks, software and hardware makers, et.c.
), or I would have to spend hours to hunt down unnecessecery useless stuff that Ubunut put into their GNOME version (and I still wouldn't get rid of Evolution that is to thightly integrated into Ubuntu) or use slightly less time, but still hours, to install everything I need manually from Ubuntu Minimal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30162614</id>
	<title>Re:Oh yeah?</title>
	<author>Fallingcow</author>
	<datestamp>1258622760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So a single "apt-get" was enough to drive you away?  You must not have liked Ubuntu to begin with, then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So a single " apt-get " was enough to drive you away ?
You must not have liked Ubuntu to begin with , then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So a single "apt-get" was enough to drive you away?
You must not have liked Ubuntu to begin with, then.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158516</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157830</id>
	<title>Gimp was a mistake</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258650840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>May be ok for the programmer that needs a few buttons for his UI, even for the average user that needs to remove somebody from the family album. I am sure python-fu is great (we need more of that). But seriously, for how many complex scripting real use cases you think this would be the right tool?</p><p>For professional graphic editing GIMP is a massive PITA, the UI is counter intuitive, to say the least. They got it all too wrong from the very beginning. I'm not blaming GIMP developers completely, Adobe patents are something to dodge. But I'm sure they had better options. Do you really needed to redefine all possible shortcuts? Come on! they reinvented the wheel and they did it WRONG.</p><p>As it is now, for me GIMP is MS-Paint on steroids. I have more than 20 years in graphic design, I am also programmer and a Linux user for more than 5 years.<br>GIMP is a mistake. So was PHP and most software (be it open source or not) that becomes standard for reasons unrelated to its intrinsic quality.</p><p>You like GIMP? good for you, go and install it, is ubiquitous in the repositories. I did that many times now and I still wish some day I don't *have* to do it anymore to have good, free image editing on Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>May be ok for the programmer that needs a few buttons for his UI , even for the average user that needs to remove somebody from the family album .
I am sure python-fu is great ( we need more of that ) .
But seriously , for how many complex scripting real use cases you think this would be the right tool ? For professional graphic editing GIMP is a massive PITA , the UI is counter intuitive , to say the least .
They got it all too wrong from the very beginning .
I 'm not blaming GIMP developers completely , Adobe patents are something to dodge .
But I 'm sure they had better options .
Do you really needed to redefine all possible shortcuts ?
Come on !
they reinvented the wheel and they did it WRONG.As it is now , for me GIMP is MS-Paint on steroids .
I have more than 20 years in graphic design , I am also programmer and a Linux user for more than 5 years.GIMP is a mistake .
So was PHP and most software ( be it open source or not ) that becomes standard for reasons unrelated to its intrinsic quality.You like GIMP ?
good for you , go and install it , is ubiquitous in the repositories .
I did that many times now and I still wish some day I do n't * have * to do it anymore to have good , free image editing on Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>May be ok for the programmer that needs a few buttons for his UI, even for the average user that needs to remove somebody from the family album.
I am sure python-fu is great (we need more of that).
But seriously, for how many complex scripting real use cases you think this would be the right tool?For professional graphic editing GIMP is a massive PITA, the UI is counter intuitive, to say the least.
They got it all too wrong from the very beginning.
I'm not blaming GIMP developers completely, Adobe patents are something to dodge.
But I'm sure they had better options.
Do you really needed to redefine all possible shortcuts?
Come on!
they reinvented the wheel and they did it WRONG.As it is now, for me GIMP is MS-Paint on steroids.
I have more than 20 years in graphic design, I am also programmer and a Linux user for more than 5 years.GIMP is a mistake.
So was PHP and most software (be it open source or not) that becomes standard for reasons unrelated to its intrinsic quality.You like GIMP?
good for you, go and install it, is ubiquitous in the repositories.
I did that many times now and I still wish some day I don't *have* to do it anymore to have good, free image editing on Linux.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30167762</id>
	<title>Re:What is F Spot?</title>
	<author>Spaseboy</author>
	<datestamp>1258648440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>F-Spot is not very good.  It's actually less usable than iPhoto 1.0 and if you are using RAW (which even consumer cameras use now) it lets you download the RAW image from the camera and SEEM to edit the RAW image but won't let you save it, and it does not tell you that you need to install UFRaw for that, and UFRaw is not listed as a dependency, which it should be.  Typical typical Linux bullshit.</p><p>Digikam is a much better application but it is dependent on all kinds of KDE garbage (like Konqueror) to run and I use Gnome and don't AT ALL like the look of KDE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>F-Spot is not very good .
It 's actually less usable than iPhoto 1.0 and if you are using RAW ( which even consumer cameras use now ) it lets you download the RAW image from the camera and SEEM to edit the RAW image but wo n't let you save it , and it does not tell you that you need to install UFRaw for that , and UFRaw is not listed as a dependency , which it should be .
Typical typical Linux bullshit.Digikam is a much better application but it is dependent on all kinds of KDE garbage ( like Konqueror ) to run and I use Gnome and do n't AT ALL like the look of KDE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>F-Spot is not very good.
It's actually less usable than iPhoto 1.0 and if you are using RAW (which even consumer cameras use now) it lets you download the RAW image from the camera and SEEM to edit the RAW image but won't let you save it, and it does not tell you that you need to install UFRaw for that, and UFRaw is not listed as a dependency, which it should be.
Typical typical Linux bullshit.Digikam is a much better application but it is dependent on all kinds of KDE garbage (like Konqueror) to run and I use Gnome and don't AT ALL like the look of KDE.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156068</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30165356</id>
	<title>mono inside</title>
	<author>sams67</author>
	<datestamp>1258631820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is more about making users use F-Spot, an unpopular and feature-deficient piece of software to say the least. This is probably more about sneaking more mono into Gnome than anything else.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is more about making users use F-Spot , an unpopular and feature-deficient piece of software to say the least .
This is probably more about sneaking more mono into Gnome than anything else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is more about making users use F-Spot, an unpopular and feature-deficient piece of software to say the least.
This is probably more about sneaking more mono into Gnome than anything else.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157868</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258651020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>cause the whole scary scifi/horror movie connotations of 'pod' really hurt apple. Or all the obvious potty humor jokes about the 'wii' prevented it from being successful. Or having a nice, friendly name like 'Amiga' saved Commodore's computer.</p><p>Oh, wait</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>cause the whole scary scifi/horror movie connotations of 'pod ' really hurt apple .
Or all the obvious potty humor jokes about the 'wii ' prevented it from being successful .
Or having a nice , friendly name like 'Amiga ' saved Commodore 's computer.Oh , wait</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cause the whole scary scifi/horror movie connotations of 'pod' really hurt apple.
Or all the obvious potty humor jokes about the 'wii' prevented it from being successful.
Or having a nice, friendly name like 'Amiga' saved Commodore's computer.Oh, wait</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156764</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30163922</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Hymer</author>
	<datestamp>1258626780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because the only real good alternative vould be "The software previously known as GIMP".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the only real good alternative vould be " The software previously known as GIMP " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the only real good alternative vould be "The software previously known as GIMP".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30155896</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30165092</id>
	<title>Re:PFref</title>
	<author>CronoCloud</author>
	<datestamp>1258630800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And for us RHEL/Fedora/CentOS/YDL users:</p><p>Zed: Well I guess you're gonna have to go yum install him now, won't you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And for us RHEL/Fedora/CentOS/YDL users : Zed : Well I guess you 're gon na have to go yum install him now , wo n't you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And for us RHEL/Fedora/CentOS/YDL users:Zed: Well I guess you're gonna have to go yum install him now, won't you?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156102</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30183272</id>
	<title>Re:What is F Spot?</title>
	<author>pbhj</author>
	<datestamp>1258804860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/f-spot" title="ubuntu.com">http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/f-spot</a> [ubuntu.com]</p><p>Personally I use digikam, though I might be tempted to use Picasa if I were starting fresh now with a photo-manager. Picasa's quick fixes are, er, very quick! They work well too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/f-spot [ ubuntu.com ] Personally I use digikam , though I might be tempted to use Picasa if I were starting fresh now with a photo-manager .
Picasa 's quick fixes are , er , very quick !
They work well too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/f-spot [ubuntu.com]Personally I use digikam, though I might be tempted to use Picasa if I were starting fresh now with a photo-manager.
Picasa's quick fixes are, er, very quick!
They work well too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156398</id>
	<title>Re:The name says what it does</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258646520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except "Microsoft Internet Explorer" isn't an acronym that sounds like a guy in a leather suit chained up in your basement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except " Microsoft Internet Explorer " is n't an acronym that sounds like a guy in a leather suit chained up in your basement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except "Microsoft Internet Explorer" isn't an acronym that sounds like a guy in a leather suit chained up in your basement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158776</id>
	<title>Re:This is the first thing to get dropped?!</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1258653720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're reffering to Gnumeric with that "lousy excel-wannabe thingy" comment, I believe you should *really* spend more than five minutes with it. Gnumeric is what Excel wants to be when it grows up, it has everything a spreadsheet needs and nothing they don't, and is in fact the only spreadsheet I, a LaTeX user, can stand to use.</p><p>But if you're reffering to OpenOffice Calc, no probs mate<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're reffering to Gnumeric with that " lousy excel-wannabe thingy " comment , I believe you should * really * spend more than five minutes with it .
Gnumeric is what Excel wants to be when it grows up , it has everything a spreadsheet needs and nothing they do n't , and is in fact the only spreadsheet I , a LaTeX user , can stand to use.But if you 're reffering to OpenOffice Calc , no probs mate ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're reffering to Gnumeric with that "lousy excel-wannabe thingy" comment, I believe you should *really* spend more than five minutes with it.
Gnumeric is what Excel wants to be when it grows up, it has everything a spreadsheet needs and nothing they don't, and is in fact the only spreadsheet I, a LaTeX user, can stand to use.But if you're reffering to OpenOffice Calc, no probs mate ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160410</id>
	<title>Inkscaaape!!!!!!</title>
	<author>AtomicDevice</author>
	<datestamp>1258658760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Inkscape rules.<br>Sorry, were we talking about something else?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Inkscape rules.Sorry , were we talking about something else ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Inkscape rules.Sorry, were we talking about something else?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157476</id>
	<title>What is the story?</title>
	<author>Nukenbar</author>
	<datestamp>1258649940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as I can still do "sudo apt-get install gimp", who cares?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as I can still do " sudo apt-get install gimp " , who cares ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as I can still do "sudo apt-get install gimp", who cares?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156856</id>
	<title>Image viewers</title>
	<author>Alex Belits</author>
	<datestamp>1258648080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>F-Spot? WTF is that? Mono again?</p><p>There are two perfectly usable image viewers -- GQview for Gnome and Gwenview for KDE. They do one thing well -- displaying a directory full of images in a user-friendly way. For actual photo editing Gimp pretty much covers everything a casual user will want to do, so if they don't want to include it, they can add a stub to GQview editing menu to install Gimp before editing a file.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>F-Spot ?
WTF is that ?
Mono again ? There are two perfectly usable image viewers -- GQview for Gnome and Gwenview for KDE .
They do one thing well -- displaying a directory full of images in a user-friendly way .
For actual photo editing Gimp pretty much covers everything a casual user will want to do , so if they do n't want to include it , they can add a stub to GQview editing menu to install Gimp before editing a file .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>F-Spot?
WTF is that?
Mono again?There are two perfectly usable image viewers -- GQview for Gnome and Gwenview for KDE.
They do one thing well -- displaying a directory full of images in a user-friendly way.
For actual photo editing Gimp pretty much covers everything a casual user will want to do, so if they don't want to include it, they can add a stub to GQview editing menu to install Gimp before editing a file.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30159438</id>
	<title>Shooting yourself in the foot</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1258655820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>why do the developers of gimp refuse to change the name?</i> </p><p>It's a small blessing that no user environment in Linux begins with the letter "F."</p><p>Because we all know what the geek would make of that.</p><p>Instead of delivering a plausible - marketable - competitor for Illustrator he would - almost certainly - unleash a FART.</p><p>Names matter. First impressions always matter.</p><p> They shape how your projects are perceived. They shape how <b>you</b> are perceived.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why do the developers of gimp refuse to change the name ?
It 's a small blessing that no user environment in Linux begins with the letter " F. " Because we all know what the geek would make of that.Instead of delivering a plausible - marketable - competitor for Illustrator he would - almost certainly - unleash a FART.Names matter .
First impressions always matter .
They shape how your projects are perceived .
They shape how you are perceived .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why do the developers of gimp refuse to change the name?
It's a small blessing that no user environment in Linux begins with the letter "F."Because we all know what the geek would make of that.Instead of delivering a plausible - marketable - competitor for Illustrator he would - almost certainly - unleash a FART.Names matter.
First impressions always matter.
They shape how your projects are perceived.
They shape how you are perceived.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156168</id>
	<title>ImageMagick</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258645620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>in combination with simple bash for loops can handle most of the image processing joe user needs.

<p>The age of digital photography does see plenty of people composing their own images. These folk, however, will google around and emerge *oops* apt-get install gimp.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>in combination with simple bash for loops can handle most of the image processing joe user needs .
The age of digital photography does see plenty of people composing their own images .
These folk , however , will google around and emerge * oops * apt-get install gimp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in combination with simple bash for loops can handle most of the image processing joe user needs.
The age of digital photography does see plenty of people composing their own images.
These folk, however, will google around and emerge *oops* apt-get install gimp.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30163430</id>
	<title>Very misleading title</title>
	<author>SilverPDA</author>
	<datestamp>1258625280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The title implies no GIMP in Ubuntu when it is only being removed from the install CD</htmltext>
<tokenext>The title implies no GIMP in Ubuntu when it is only being removed from the install CD</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The title implies no GIMP in Ubuntu when it is only being removed from the install CD</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30171044</id>
	<title>Re:The name says what it does</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1258732440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's bizarre that OSS developers talk one second about wanting to be taken seriously, then turn around and stick one of their most well-known programs with a name that simultaneously conjures up both a nasty derogatory term for the handicapped and an anal rape scene from "Pulp Fiction." Yeah, way to show how OSS has matured, guys.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's bizarre that OSS developers talk one second about wanting to be taken seriously , then turn around and stick one of their most well-known programs with a name that simultaneously conjures up both a nasty derogatory term for the handicapped and an anal rape scene from " Pulp Fiction .
" Yeah , way to show how OSS has matured , guys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's bizarre that OSS developers talk one second about wanting to be taken seriously, then turn around and stick one of their most well-known programs with a name that simultaneously conjures up both a nasty derogatory term for the handicapped and an anal rape scene from "Pulp Fiction.
" Yeah, way to show how OSS has matured, guys.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157710</id>
	<title>Re:They've got this one backwards.</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1258650480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I tried to use Photoshop for some things for personal use several times and always found it too confusing to be worth it for the project I had in mind. A couple of years ago, I finally was in a position where I needed to use Photoshop for work. Shortly after that, I tried GIMP at home for a personal project and found it no more confusing to figure out than Photoshop. I have not mastered either one (I don't have need to use either enough to fully master the software), but I find GIMP to be only slightly more difficult to figure out how to do things than Photoshop. Most of that difference is because there are more references online to doing things in Photoshop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried to use Photoshop for some things for personal use several times and always found it too confusing to be worth it for the project I had in mind .
A couple of years ago , I finally was in a position where I needed to use Photoshop for work .
Shortly after that , I tried GIMP at home for a personal project and found it no more confusing to figure out than Photoshop .
I have not mastered either one ( I do n't have need to use either enough to fully master the software ) , but I find GIMP to be only slightly more difficult to figure out how to do things than Photoshop .
Most of that difference is because there are more references online to doing things in Photoshop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried to use Photoshop for some things for personal use several times and always found it too confusing to be worth it for the project I had in mind.
A couple of years ago, I finally was in a position where I needed to use Photoshop for work.
Shortly after that, I tried GIMP at home for a personal project and found it no more confusing to figure out than Photoshop.
I have not mastered either one (I don't have need to use either enough to fully master the software), but I find GIMP to be only slightly more difficult to figure out how to do things than Photoshop.
Most of that difference is because there are more references online to doing things in Photoshop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30164548</id>
	<title>Re:Just remove gcc too, it's too complex anyway</title>
	<author>StayFrosty</author>
	<datestamp>1258628640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This reminds me of SUN's incredibly silly decision to remove their C compiler from SunOS when they shipped Solaris, so that one had to jump through hoops just to find a suitable gcc binary because you couldn't bootstrap gcc without a compiler. Sure, GIMP is not so crucial, but still...</p></div><p>Yeah, not having the GIMP on the cd is just like that.  You have all those hoops to jump through.  It's not like you can just apt-get install gimp.  Oh, wait...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me of SUN 's incredibly silly decision to remove their C compiler from SunOS when they shipped Solaris , so that one had to jump through hoops just to find a suitable gcc binary because you could n't bootstrap gcc without a compiler .
Sure , GIMP is not so crucial , but still...Yeah , not having the GIMP on the cd is just like that .
You have all those hoops to jump through .
It 's not like you can just apt-get install gimp .
Oh , wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me of SUN's incredibly silly decision to remove their C compiler from SunOS when they shipped Solaris, so that one had to jump through hoops just to find a suitable gcc binary because you couldn't bootstrap gcc without a compiler.
Sure, GIMP is not so crucial, but still...Yeah, not having the GIMP on the cd is just like that.
You have all those hoops to jump through.
It's not like you can just apt-get install gimp.
Oh, wait...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158274</id>
	<title>Re:This is the first thing to get dropped?!</title>
	<author>Will.Woodhull</author>
	<datestamp>1258652160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Despite its flaws, OOo remains the best mode for migrating from MS Office to Linux tools, where the greatest problem is that of retraining and acceptance. Its presence as a default app in Ubuntu is important in attracting the attention of potential Ubuntu users.

</p><p>There are other tools that are better in some ways-- Abiword, Gnumeric, etc-- but OOo is good enough to get the job done. Those who are ready to move on to better things can simply not use it, or even uninstall it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Despite its flaws , OOo remains the best mode for migrating from MS Office to Linux tools , where the greatest problem is that of retraining and acceptance .
Its presence as a default app in Ubuntu is important in attracting the attention of potential Ubuntu users .
There are other tools that are better in some ways-- Abiword , Gnumeric , etc-- but OOo is good enough to get the job done .
Those who are ready to move on to better things can simply not use it , or even uninstall it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite its flaws, OOo remains the best mode for migrating from MS Office to Linux tools, where the greatest problem is that of retraining and acceptance.
Its presence as a default app in Ubuntu is important in attracting the attention of potential Ubuntu users.
There are other tools that are better in some ways-- Abiword, Gnumeric, etc-- but OOo is good enough to get the job done.
Those who are ready to move on to better things can simply not use it, or even uninstall it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30155866</id>
	<title>Yep</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1258644480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>A lot of us have been saying that UI is godawful for a LONG time, only to be shouted down by the fanboys. Now it looks like the developers at Canonical agree. And considering that one of their big goals was to make a user-friendly Linux distro, with a halfway decent GUI, I can understand why they would appreciate something that's obvious to anyone who isn't wearing blinders.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of us have been saying that UI is godawful for a LONG time , only to be shouted down by the fanboys .
Now it looks like the developers at Canonical agree .
And considering that one of their big goals was to make a user-friendly Linux distro , with a halfway decent GUI , I can understand why they would appreciate something that 's obvious to anyone who is n't wearing blinders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of us have been saying that UI is godawful for a LONG time, only to be shouted down by the fanboys.
Now it looks like the developers at Canonical agree.
And considering that one of their big goals was to make a user-friendly Linux distro, with a halfway decent GUI, I can understand why they would appreciate something that's obvious to anyone who isn't wearing blinders.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160204</id>
	<title>Re:What is F Spot?</title>
	<author>computersareevil</author>
	<datestamp>1258658040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My sarcasm detector is unable to grok this statement.  Are you serious?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My sarcasm detector is unable to grok this statement .
Are you serious ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My sarcasm detector is unable to grok this statement.
Are you serious?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156256</id>
	<title>Re:What is F Spot?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258645920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's alphabetical -- Right next to G Spot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's alphabetical -- Right next to G Spot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's alphabetical -- Right next to G Spot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30155784</id>
	<title>Where does this leave GIMP?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258644180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too powerful for normal users, too limited for power users.</p><p>Image editing is still way behind Windows and Mac OSX, where you have Photoshop for power users and also Paint Shop Pro for less power users, but who still like a full image editing suite.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too powerful for normal users , too limited for power users.Image editing is still way behind Windows and Mac OSX , where you have Photoshop for power users and also Paint Shop Pro for less power users , but who still like a full image editing suite .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too powerful for normal users, too limited for power users.Image editing is still way behind Windows and Mac OSX, where you have Photoshop for power users and also Paint Shop Pro for less power users, but who still like a full image editing suite.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157480</id>
	<title>Try gimpshop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258649940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gimp ui suck ass but the engine is quite good (if you dont need pantone separation)<br>so try http://www.gimpshop.com/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gimp ui suck ass but the engine is quite good ( if you dont need pantone separation ) so try http : //www.gimpshop.com/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gimp ui suck ass but the engine is quite good (if you dont need pantone separation)so try http://www.gimpshop.com/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30166218</id>
	<title>Live CD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258635660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I like the fact that I can have GIMP on a live CD, very convenient. Sometimes I don't have internet access, so downloading from the package manager is not feasible.

I always thought of Ubuntu as 'bloated' compared to other distros, and that never stopped me from using it in some situations. It's just a different market. I don't think GIMP is any harder than MS paint, and the help is much better anyway. If people are lazy to read documentation, then what can you do? There are no universal symbols for everything in computing, at some point if they want to learn something they will have to read (in their own language if possible).

But anyway, there will always be some distro with more utilities anyway that I can use as a live CD.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like the fact that I can have GIMP on a live CD , very convenient .
Sometimes I do n't have internet access , so downloading from the package manager is not feasible .
I always thought of Ubuntu as 'bloated ' compared to other distros , and that never stopped me from using it in some situations .
It 's just a different market .
I do n't think GIMP is any harder than MS paint , and the help is much better anyway .
If people are lazy to read documentation , then what can you do ?
There are no universal symbols for everything in computing , at some point if they want to learn something they will have to read ( in their own language if possible ) .
But anyway , there will always be some distro with more utilities anyway that I can use as a live CD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like the fact that I can have GIMP on a live CD, very convenient.
Sometimes I don't have internet access, so downloading from the package manager is not feasible.
I always thought of Ubuntu as 'bloated' compared to other distros, and that never stopped me from using it in some situations.
It's just a different market.
I don't think GIMP is any harder than MS paint, and the help is much better anyway.
If people are lazy to read documentation, then what can you do?
There are no universal symbols for everything in computing, at some point if they want to learn something they will have to read (in their own language if possible).
But anyway, there will always be some distro with more utilities anyway that I can use as a live CD.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156904</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>TrancePhreak</author>
	<datestamp>1258648200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Paint.net is my fav free image editor. Irfanview does quite a bit out of the box tho.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Paint.net is my fav free image editor .
Irfanview does quite a bit out of the box tho .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paint.net is my fav free image editor.
Irfanview does quite a bit out of the box tho.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30163166</id>
	<title>Why I Quit GIMP After 2 Minutes</title>
	<author>ZombieRoboNinja</author>
	<datestamp>1258624560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I've used various drawing programs for years to make crappy little graphical schematics to post online. MS Paint is all I really need, although I've used Photoshop and similar programs as well.</p><p>I heard a lot about how powerful GIMP was, and my Mac didn't come with even a basic drawing tool, so I downloaded it. Lasted... oh, maybe 2 minutes.</p><p>The issue came when I wanted to draw a line. Now, every other graphics program I've used has a "line" tool, somewhere in plain sight. Observe:<br><a href="http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Using-Paint" title="microsoft.com">http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Using-Paint</a> [microsoft.com]<br><a href="http://www.extropia.com/tutorials/photoshop/line\_tool.html" title="extropia.com">http://www.extropia.com/tutorials/photoshop/line\_tool.html</a> [extropia.com]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and so on. Such was not the case for GIMP. In GIMP, you use the Shift key with other tools to draw lines. Not an inherently bad way of doing things, I guess. But here's how you have to find out about it:</p><p><a href="http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Straight\_Line/" title="gimp.org">http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Straight\_Line/</a> [gimp.org] (That's from the official GIMP site, mind you.)</p><p>Hey, GIMP guys. Screw you and your sarcastic screenshot telling me what the "Shift" button is. Your interface is the WEIRD one. People who use MS Paint or Photoshop or friggin' ClarisWorks - your potential customers - expect "line" to be a tool, not a key. And it's not like the key is entitled "Shift Or Draw Straight Lines In Some Linux Programs." It is NON-OBVIOUS that this would be the manner you draw lines. I don't care that I had to look up how to use a new interface, but don't act like I'm supposed to psychically fucking know ahead of time how your arbitrary interface works.</p><p>Note how both MS Paint and Photoshop are way MORE straightforward in this operation, and yet avoid sarcasm in their tutorials.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I 've used various drawing programs for years to make crappy little graphical schematics to post online .
MS Paint is all I really need , although I 've used Photoshop and similar programs as well.I heard a lot about how powerful GIMP was , and my Mac did n't come with even a basic drawing tool , so I downloaded it .
Lasted... oh , maybe 2 minutes.The issue came when I wanted to draw a line .
Now , every other graphics program I 've used has a " line " tool , somewhere in plain sight .
Observe : http : //windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Using-Paint [ microsoft.com ] http : //www.extropia.com/tutorials/photoshop/line \ _tool.html [ extropia.com ] ...and so on .
Such was not the case for GIMP .
In GIMP , you use the Shift key with other tools to draw lines .
Not an inherently bad way of doing things , I guess .
But here 's how you have to find out about it : http : //www.gimp.org/tutorials/Straight \ _Line/ [ gimp.org ] ( That 's from the official GIMP site , mind you .
) Hey , GIMP guys .
Screw you and your sarcastic screenshot telling me what the " Shift " button is .
Your interface is the WEIRD one .
People who use MS Paint or Photoshop or friggin ' ClarisWorks - your potential customers - expect " line " to be a tool , not a key .
And it 's not like the key is entitled " Shift Or Draw Straight Lines In Some Linux Programs .
" It is NON-OBVIOUS that this would be the manner you draw lines .
I do n't care that I had to look up how to use a new interface , but do n't act like I 'm supposed to psychically fucking know ahead of time how your arbitrary interface works.Note how both MS Paint and Photoshop are way MORE straightforward in this operation , and yet avoid sarcasm in their tutorials .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I've used various drawing programs for years to make crappy little graphical schematics to post online.
MS Paint is all I really need, although I've used Photoshop and similar programs as well.I heard a lot about how powerful GIMP was, and my Mac didn't come with even a basic drawing tool, so I downloaded it.
Lasted... oh, maybe 2 minutes.The issue came when I wanted to draw a line.
Now, every other graphics program I've used has a "line" tool, somewhere in plain sight.
Observe:http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Using-Paint [microsoft.com]http://www.extropia.com/tutorials/photoshop/line\_tool.html [extropia.com] ...and so on.
Such was not the case for GIMP.
In GIMP, you use the Shift key with other tools to draw lines.
Not an inherently bad way of doing things, I guess.
But here's how you have to find out about it:http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Straight\_Line/ [gimp.org] (That's from the official GIMP site, mind you.
)Hey, GIMP guys.
Screw you and your sarcastic screenshot telling me what the "Shift" button is.
Your interface is the WEIRD one.
People who use MS Paint or Photoshop or friggin' ClarisWorks - your potential customers - expect "line" to be a tool, not a key.
And it's not like the key is entitled "Shift Or Draw Straight Lines In Some Linux Programs.
" It is NON-OBVIOUS that this would be the manner you draw lines.
I don't care that I had to look up how to use a new interface, but don't act like I'm supposed to psychically fucking know ahead of time how your arbitrary interface works.Note how both MS Paint and Photoshop are way MORE straightforward in this operation, and yet avoid sarcasm in their tutorials.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156274</id>
	<title>This is the first thing to get dropped?!</title>
	<author>attah</author>
	<datestamp>1258645980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Drop that bloated OpenOffice before considering dumping programs that actually do what they are supposed to..
Abiword is quite enough for the average user, that probably almost never starts presenter or that lousy excel-wannabe thingy.
Now how's that for a stripdown of crap ey?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Drop that bloated OpenOffice before considering dumping programs that actually do what they are supposed to. . Abiword is quite enough for the average user , that probably almost never starts presenter or that lousy excel-wannabe thingy .
Now how 's that for a stripdown of crap ey ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Drop that bloated OpenOffice before considering dumping programs that actually do what they are supposed to..
Abiword is quite enough for the average user, that probably almost never starts presenter or that lousy excel-wannabe thingy.
Now how's that for a stripdown of crap ey?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156102</id>
	<title>PFref</title>
	<author>muckracer</author>
	<datestamp>1258645380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zed: Bring out the Gimp.<br>Maynard: Gimp's not installed.<br>Zed: Well, I guess you're gonna have to go apt-get install him now, won't you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zed : Bring out the Gimp.Maynard : Gimp 's not installed.Zed : Well , I guess you 're gon na have to go apt-get install him now , wo n't you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zed: Bring out the Gimp.Maynard: Gimp's not installed.Zed: Well, I guess you're gonna have to go apt-get install him now, won't you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156376</id>
	<title>Re:The name says what it does</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258646460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fucking hell, are you that daft? No-one can pick anything dubious out of MIE without really, really trying hard, whereas everyone knows what a gimp is. The name is fucking horrible and I'd be very surprised if the full name came first and the abbreviation second rather than the other way around.</p><p>"LOL you know what would be really funny? Calling the program GIMP because then we can claim it's from Gnu Image ManiPulator! HehhehicSNORT."</p><p>It's a horrible name and should be changed if they want it to actually grow any further -- and I say this using it daily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fucking hell , are you that daft ?
No-one can pick anything dubious out of MIE without really , really trying hard , whereas everyone knows what a gimp is .
The name is fucking horrible and I 'd be very surprised if the full name came first and the abbreviation second rather than the other way around .
" LOL you know what would be really funny ?
Calling the program GIMP because then we can claim it 's from Gnu Image ManiPulator !
HehhehicSNORT. " It 's a horrible name and should be changed if they want it to actually grow any further -- and I say this using it daily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fucking hell, are you that daft?
No-one can pick anything dubious out of MIE without really, really trying hard, whereas everyone knows what a gimp is.
The name is fucking horrible and I'd be very surprised if the full name came first and the abbreviation second rather than the other way around.
"LOL you know what would be really funny?
Calling the program GIMP because then we can claim it's from Gnu Image ManiPulator!
HehhehicSNORT."It's a horrible name and should be changed if they want it to actually grow any further -- and I say this using it daily.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30164668</id>
	<title>Re:The name says what it does</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258629000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't you know "jim" is a typical transliteration of the Thai word for a women's genitals?  You fool, you've gone from politically incorrect to sexual harassment.</p><p>We must assign every program a GUID, encoded in base64, and then filtering out any string of one or more characters which could be misconstrued as a word or phoneme in any language real or imaginary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you know " jim " is a typical transliteration of the Thai word for a women 's genitals ?
You fool , you 've gone from politically incorrect to sexual harassment.We must assign every program a GUID , encoded in base64 , and then filtering out any string of one or more characters which could be misconstrued as a word or phoneme in any language real or imaginary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you know "jim" is a typical transliteration of the Thai word for a women's genitals?
You fool, you've gone from politically incorrect to sexual harassment.We must assign every program a GUID, encoded in base64, and then filtering out any string of one or more characters which could be misconstrued as a word or phoneme in any language real or imaginary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158418</id>
	<title>Re:The name says what it does</title>
	<author>brkello</author>
	<datestamp>1258652700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are captain obvious and captain oblivious in the same post.  Duh, it is an acronym.  But the acronym has a negative connotation to it.  I don't care if Recursive Execution To Automatically Rate Derivatives is the best, most descriptive name you have come up with.  If it has a negative connotation, maybe you should come up with something better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are captain obvious and captain oblivious in the same post .
Duh , it is an acronym .
But the acronym has a negative connotation to it .
I do n't care if Recursive Execution To Automatically Rate Derivatives is the best , most descriptive name you have come up with .
If it has a negative connotation , maybe you should come up with something better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are captain obvious and captain oblivious in the same post.
Duh, it is an acronym.
But the acronym has a negative connotation to it.
I don't care if Recursive Execution To Automatically Rate Derivatives is the best, most descriptive name you have come up with.
If it has a negative connotation, maybe you should come up with something better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156260</id>
	<title>This spells bad news for the GIMP project.</title>
	<author>dsavi</author>
	<datestamp>1258645920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have kind of seen this coming. We all know that the current (Stable) UI is bad, not just the multiple windows part of it. I haven't seen an update to the GIMP, stable or unstable, for more than three months now. There doesn't seem to be the active community around GIMP that I was at least under the impression existed before. Learn from Blender, GIMP devs: Don't leave your site purely informational, listen to the community about the UI, <i>build a community</i> and promote it on your site and you are <i>sure</i> to stay in more distributions and attract more developers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have kind of seen this coming .
We all know that the current ( Stable ) UI is bad , not just the multiple windows part of it .
I have n't seen an update to the GIMP , stable or unstable , for more than three months now .
There does n't seem to be the active community around GIMP that I was at least under the impression existed before .
Learn from Blender , GIMP devs : Do n't leave your site purely informational , listen to the community about the UI , build a community and promote it on your site and you are sure to stay in more distributions and attract more developers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have kind of seen this coming.
We all know that the current (Stable) UI is bad, not just the multiple windows part of it.
I haven't seen an update to the GIMP, stable or unstable, for more than three months now.
There doesn't seem to be the active community around GIMP that I was at least under the impression existed before.
Learn from Blender, GIMP devs: Don't leave your site purely informational, listen to the community about the UI, build a community and promote it on your site and you are sure to stay in more distributions and attract more developers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30165516</id>
	<title>more work</title>
	<author>nonicknameavailable</author>
	<datestamp>1258632480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>first remove mono and monoprograms and then install gimp,gthumb,gnote (soon rhythmbox)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>first remove mono and monoprograms and then install gimp,gthumb,gnote ( soon rhythmbox )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>first remove mono and monoprograms and then install gimp,gthumb,gnote (soon rhythmbox)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156080</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>zardozo</author>
	<datestamp>1258645320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But once you learn it you can then look cool to passers by. And impress you girlfriend with your editing skil.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>But once you learn it you can then look cool to passers by .
And impress you girlfriend with your editing skil .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But once you learn it you can then look cool to passers by.
And impress you girlfriend with your editing skil.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30199012</id>
	<title>Re:not a surprise</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258907400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or perhaps an operating system for those that would like the option to customise thier environment but want to actually be able to get something done (other than installing software that should be there already) if they elect not to.</p><p>A system where i can have a 30 minute install and have a productive system out of the box is an absolute god send. (before you ask i'm agnostic).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or perhaps an operating system for those that would like the option to customise thier environment but want to actually be able to get something done ( other than installing software that should be there already ) if they elect not to.A system where i can have a 30 minute install and have a productive system out of the box is an absolute god send .
( before you ask i 'm agnostic ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or perhaps an operating system for those that would like the option to customise thier environment but want to actually be able to get something done (other than installing software that should be there already) if they elect not to.A system where i can have a 30 minute install and have a productive system out of the box is an absolute god send.
(before you ask i'm agnostic).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156112</id>
	<title>Re:I have no issue with this</title>
	<author>SaDan</author>
	<datestamp>1258645440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RTFA, you are way off base:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * the general user doesn't use it<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * its user-interface is too complex<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * it's an application for professionals<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * desktop users just want to edit photos and they can do that in F-Spot<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * it's a photoshop replacement and photoshop isn't included by default in Windows...<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * it takes up room on the disc</p><p>None of those are anything the GIMP folks should take as a negative.  You don't see Photoshop installed on every home PC for digital photo touch up, do you?  They are saying that there are plenty of other smaller, easier to use applications for that purpose.  GIMP will still be available via apt/Synaptic for those of us who might want to use it, it's just not going to be part of the DEFAULT installation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RTFA , you are way off base :         * the general user does n't use it         * its user-interface is too complex         * it 's an application for professionals         * desktop users just want to edit photos and they can do that in F-Spot         * it 's a photoshop replacement and photoshop is n't included by default in Windows.. .         * it takes up room on the discNone of those are anything the GIMP folks should take as a negative .
You do n't see Photoshop installed on every home PC for digital photo touch up , do you ?
They are saying that there are plenty of other smaller , easier to use applications for that purpose .
GIMP will still be available via apt/Synaptic for those of us who might want to use it , it 's just not going to be part of the DEFAULT installation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RTFA, you are way off base:
        * the general user doesn't use it
        * its user-interface is too complex
        * it's an application for professionals
        * desktop users just want to edit photos and they can do that in F-Spot
        * it's a photoshop replacement and photoshop isn't included by default in Windows...
        * it takes up room on the discNone of those are anything the GIMP folks should take as a negative.
You don't see Photoshop installed on every home PC for digital photo touch up, do you?
They are saying that there are plenty of other smaller, easier to use applications for that purpose.
GIMP will still be available via apt/Synaptic for those of us who might want to use it, it's just not going to be part of the DEFAULT installation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157260</id>
	<title>Re:The name says what it does</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258649220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nobody tries to call Microsoft Internet Explorer MIE, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody tries to call Microsoft Internet Explorer MIE , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody tries to call Microsoft Internet Explorer MIE, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158514</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1258652940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because its what the project has always had, because people in general dislike change, because they'd have to find a name that hasn't been taken already (go ask the Firefox guys how easy that was for them), and most importantly, because for 99\% of the world the word "gimp" means "that free image editor with the floating stuff".</p><p>Don't believe me? go make a Google search for the word "gimp", then count the number of non-GIMP gimp entries on the first ten pages. And if you've got some extra time, tell us the page of the first occurrence, and the first one outside of dictionaries and wikis as well.</p><p>Seriously, you'd have better chances of retaking the word "gay" to mean "happy" than you'd have of getting "gimp" to mean anything else other than The GNU Image Manipulation Program.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because its what the project has always had , because people in general dislike change , because they 'd have to find a name that has n't been taken already ( go ask the Firefox guys how easy that was for them ) , and most importantly , because for 99 \ % of the world the word " gimp " means " that free image editor with the floating stuff " .Do n't believe me ?
go make a Google search for the word " gimp " , then count the number of non-GIMP gimp entries on the first ten pages .
And if you 've got some extra time , tell us the page of the first occurrence , and the first one outside of dictionaries and wikis as well.Seriously , you 'd have better chances of retaking the word " gay " to mean " happy " than you 'd have of getting " gimp " to mean anything else other than The GNU Image Manipulation Program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because its what the project has always had, because people in general dislike change, because they'd have to find a name that hasn't been taken already (go ask the Firefox guys how easy that was for them), and most importantly, because for 99\% of the world the word "gimp" means "that free image editor with the floating stuff".Don't believe me?
go make a Google search for the word "gimp", then count the number of non-GIMP gimp entries on the first ten pages.
And if you've got some extra time, tell us the page of the first occurrence, and the first one outside of dictionaries and wikis as well.Seriously, you'd have better chances of retaking the word "gay" to mean "happy" than you'd have of getting "gimp" to mean anything else other than The GNU Image Manipulation Program.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158686</id>
	<title>Re:The name says what it does</title>
	<author>mjeffers</author>
	<datestamp>1258653420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If there was a "Canonical's Ultimate Network Test suite", "Sun Human Interface Toolkit" or "Hulu's Interactive Television &amp; Live Entertainment Room" all of those would be descriptive names. However, naming those products after their acronymns would be just as stupid as calling it GIMP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there was a " Canonical 's Ultimate Network Test suite " , " Sun Human Interface Toolkit " or " Hulu 's Interactive Television &amp; Live Entertainment Room " all of those would be descriptive names .
However , naming those products after their acronymns would be just as stupid as calling it GIMP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there was a "Canonical's Ultimate Network Test suite", "Sun Human Interface Toolkit" or "Hulu's Interactive Television &amp; Live Entertainment Room" all of those would be descriptive names.
However, naming those products after their acronymns would be just as stupid as calling it GIMP.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158830</id>
	<title>My own analogy</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1258653900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used The Gimp to whip up a new desktop wallpaper recently.  My copy of Photoshop had expired, and I didn't know what else to do.</p><p>I was pleasantly surprised; the package is still a little bare compared with Photoshop, but it's come a very long way, and was fully capable of doing everything I wanted.</p><p>As graphics packages, I view the differences between the Gimp and Photoshop, as being analogous to the differences between vim and Emacs, with vim being analogous with the Gimp in this case.</p><p>Sure, Photoshop has a little more stuff, but truthfully, you don't always want everything but the kitchen sink.  Sometimes you just want to do something quick, and The Gimp has most of the filters you'll generally need, anyway.  In that sense it adheres well with the UNIX design philosophy; it's the 90\% solution.  For the other 10\%, I'll find another solution, which for me probably won't involve Photoshop, because the amount of FOSS I have access to now, means I'm a lot less willing to pirate software than I used to be.  If we want companies to abide by our licenses, we need to abide by theirs.</p><p>If Ubuntu is rejecting the Gimp, that shouldn't upset anyone in the slightest.  Personally, I rejected Ubuntu six months ago, and haven't looked back.  It is an over-engineered, bloated, brittle obscenity of a distribution, which is designed to pander to the voluntarily intellectually disabled, lowest common denominator.</p><p>Get Arch, FreeBSD, or (*gasp*) Windows, and leave Ubuntu in the cybernetic rubbish bin where it belongs.  Trust me; you'll be glad you did.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used The Gimp to whip up a new desktop wallpaper recently .
My copy of Photoshop had expired , and I did n't know what else to do.I was pleasantly surprised ; the package is still a little bare compared with Photoshop , but it 's come a very long way , and was fully capable of doing everything I wanted.As graphics packages , I view the differences between the Gimp and Photoshop , as being analogous to the differences between vim and Emacs , with vim being analogous with the Gimp in this case.Sure , Photoshop has a little more stuff , but truthfully , you do n't always want everything but the kitchen sink .
Sometimes you just want to do something quick , and The Gimp has most of the filters you 'll generally need , anyway .
In that sense it adheres well with the UNIX design philosophy ; it 's the 90 \ % solution .
For the other 10 \ % , I 'll find another solution , which for me probably wo n't involve Photoshop , because the amount of FOSS I have access to now , means I 'm a lot less willing to pirate software than I used to be .
If we want companies to abide by our licenses , we need to abide by theirs.If Ubuntu is rejecting the Gimp , that should n't upset anyone in the slightest .
Personally , I rejected Ubuntu six months ago , and have n't looked back .
It is an over-engineered , bloated , brittle obscenity of a distribution , which is designed to pander to the voluntarily intellectually disabled , lowest common denominator.Get Arch , FreeBSD , or ( * gasp * ) Windows , and leave Ubuntu in the cybernetic rubbish bin where it belongs .
Trust me ; you 'll be glad you did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used The Gimp to whip up a new desktop wallpaper recently.
My copy of Photoshop had expired, and I didn't know what else to do.I was pleasantly surprised; the package is still a little bare compared with Photoshop, but it's come a very long way, and was fully capable of doing everything I wanted.As graphics packages, I view the differences between the Gimp and Photoshop, as being analogous to the differences between vim and Emacs, with vim being analogous with the Gimp in this case.Sure, Photoshop has a little more stuff, but truthfully, you don't always want everything but the kitchen sink.
Sometimes you just want to do something quick, and The Gimp has most of the filters you'll generally need, anyway.
In that sense it adheres well with the UNIX design philosophy; it's the 90\% solution.
For the other 10\%, I'll find another solution, which for me probably won't involve Photoshop, because the amount of FOSS I have access to now, means I'm a lot less willing to pirate software than I used to be.
If we want companies to abide by our licenses, we need to abide by theirs.If Ubuntu is rejecting the Gimp, that shouldn't upset anyone in the slightest.
Personally, I rejected Ubuntu six months ago, and haven't looked back.
It is an over-engineered, bloated, brittle obscenity of a distribution, which is designed to pander to the voluntarily intellectually disabled, lowest common denominator.Get Arch, FreeBSD, or (*gasp*) Windows, and leave Ubuntu in the cybernetic rubbish bin where it belongs.
Trust me; you'll be glad you did.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156664</id>
	<title>Re:Yay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258647420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fspot is a toy for retarded children. And it doesn't help any that it depends on mono (read Micro$oft).</p><p>GIMP is a fine app. This once more proves Ubuntu is a distro for fools.</p><p>(And if you're just browsing images, for a far superior piece of software, check out GQView (or Geeqie).)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fspot is a toy for retarded children .
And it does n't help any that it depends on mono ( read Micro $ oft ) .GIMP is a fine app .
This once more proves Ubuntu is a distro for fools .
( And if you 're just browsing images , for a far superior piece of software , check out GQView ( or Geeqie ) .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fspot is a toy for retarded children.
And it doesn't help any that it depends on mono (read Micro$oft).GIMP is a fine app.
This once more proves Ubuntu is a distro for fools.
(And if you're just browsing images, for a far superior piece of software, check out GQView (or Geeqie).
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157716</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1258650540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everybody knows what it is, what would be the reason to change the name? (I don't like it is not a reason).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everybody knows what it is , what would be the reason to change the name ?
( I do n't like it is not a reason ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everybody knows what it is, what would be the reason to change the name?
(I don't like it is not a reason).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156452</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>andre\_pl</author>
	<datestamp>1258646760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're wrong, because there are plenty of gimp users who have never used photoshop more than a handful of times.. I dont see any appeal in photoshop whatsoever, gimp does everything I need, and I LIKE the UI. I've never found it to be confusing or unintuitive, it works quite well, I probably wont even use single window mode when 2.8 comes out, it just wouldn't be all that useful to me, the current setup works quite nicely.

</p><p>Not everyone is a recent windows convert who needs to make their linux install function like their windows install used to.  I haven't touched in a windows box in 5 or 6 years, I dont miss any of the software I used to use over there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're wrong , because there are plenty of gimp users who have never used photoshop more than a handful of times.. I dont see any appeal in photoshop whatsoever , gimp does everything I need , and I LIKE the UI .
I 've never found it to be confusing or unintuitive , it works quite well , I probably wont even use single window mode when 2.8 comes out , it just would n't be all that useful to me , the current setup works quite nicely .
Not everyone is a recent windows convert who needs to make their linux install function like their windows install used to .
I have n't touched in a windows box in 5 or 6 years , I dont miss any of the software I used to use over there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're wrong, because there are plenty of gimp users who have never used photoshop more than a handful of times.. I dont see any appeal in photoshop whatsoever, gimp does everything I need, and I LIKE the UI.
I've never found it to be confusing or unintuitive, it works quite well, I probably wont even use single window mode when 2.8 comes out, it just wouldn't be all that useful to me, the current setup works quite nicely.
Not everyone is a recent windows convert who needs to make their linux install function like their windows install used to.
I haven't touched in a windows box in 5 or 6 years, I dont miss any of the software I used to use over there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158762</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>cptnapalm</author>
	<datestamp>1258653660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We don't use it because it is such a pain in the ass to use.</p><p>I have no opinion on Photoshop's usability since I've never attempted to use it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't use it because it is such a pain in the ass to use.I have no opinion on Photoshop 's usability since I 've never attempted to use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't use it because it is such a pain in the ass to use.I have no opinion on Photoshop's usability since I've never attempted to use it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30167796</id>
	<title>Re:They've got this one backwards.</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1258648680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Gimp's user interface is way, way too confusing for anyone but those who REALLY want to learn it. I've been using Adobe and Corel paint/photoediting programs for 15 years now and, let me tell you, that knowledge does not necessarily translate to Gimp. It's like starting from scratch</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes...  It is exactly like starting from scratch.</p><p>If you had learned on some other graphics tools (not just GIMP) the Adobe interface would be the terribly strange and limiting one, and for good reason.</p><p>Imitating proprietary software is far too popular in the Linux world today, and I'm immensely thankful for the few who do things their own way...</p><p>What's the point, otherwise?  Why use a different operating system, and different applications, if they're just poor copies of what was already out there?  The magic comes when those stupid interfaces are discarded, and something new and novel is allowed to spring up in its place.  That's where great interfaces come from.</p><p>If you can't be bothered to learn something new and better, what are you doing here?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gimp 's user interface is way , way too confusing for anyone but those who REALLY want to learn it .
I 've been using Adobe and Corel paint/photoediting programs for 15 years now and , let me tell you , that knowledge does not necessarily translate to Gimp .
It 's like starting from scratchYes... It is exactly like starting from scratch.If you had learned on some other graphics tools ( not just GIMP ) the Adobe interface would be the terribly strange and limiting one , and for good reason.Imitating proprietary software is far too popular in the Linux world today , and I 'm immensely thankful for the few who do things their own way...What 's the point , otherwise ?
Why use a different operating system , and different applications , if they 're just poor copies of what was already out there ?
The magic comes when those stupid interfaces are discarded , and something new and novel is allowed to spring up in its place .
That 's where great interfaces come from.If you ca n't be bothered to learn something new and better , what are you doing here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gimp's user interface is way, way too confusing for anyone but those who REALLY want to learn it.
I've been using Adobe and Corel paint/photoediting programs for 15 years now and, let me tell you, that knowledge does not necessarily translate to Gimp.
It's like starting from scratchYes...  It is exactly like starting from scratch.If you had learned on some other graphics tools (not just GIMP) the Adobe interface would be the terribly strange and limiting one, and for good reason.Imitating proprietary software is far too popular in the Linux world today, and I'm immensely thankful for the few who do things their own way...What's the point, otherwise?
Why use a different operating system, and different applications, if they're just poor copies of what was already out there?
The magic comes when those stupid interfaces are discarded, and something new and novel is allowed to spring up in its place.
That's where great interfaces come from.If you can't be bothered to learn something new and better, what are you doing here?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157850</id>
	<title>Baloney</title>
	<author>Stumbles</author>
	<datestamp>1258650900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is just an excuse for Ubuntu to make it MANDATORY you have MONO installed because f-spot DEPENDS on it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is just an excuse for Ubuntu to make it MANDATORY you have MONO installed because f-spot DEPENDS on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is just an excuse for Ubuntu to make it MANDATORY you have MONO installed because f-spot DEPENDS on it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156764</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258647780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What would be the upside of changing the name?</p></div></blockquote><p>The upside would be having a software program whose name is not a pejorative term in the English language.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What would be the upside of changing the name ? The upside would be having a software program whose name is not a pejorative term in the English language .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What would be the upside of changing the name?The upside would be having a software program whose name is not a pejorative term in the English language.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157726</id>
	<title>This IMHO is a nonissue</title>
	<author>McNihil</author>
	<datestamp>1258650540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah I too got a bit "pissy" when I discovered that XEmacs was not included in the Red Hat releases by default anymore... 10 years ago or something close to that.... but with yum/apt et.al. its easy to get... I have over 1 GB of packages that aren't in the default Fedora install... big deal... booohooo... its so simple that I've completely forgot about what a default install is and I don't care.</p><p>A big non-story but that is my side of the view. YMMV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah I too got a bit " pissy " when I discovered that XEmacs was not included in the Red Hat releases by default anymore... 10 years ago or something close to that.... but with yum/apt et.al .
its easy to get... I have over 1 GB of packages that are n't in the default Fedora install... big deal... booohooo... its so simple that I 've completely forgot about what a default install is and I do n't care.A big non-story but that is my side of the view .
YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah I too got a bit "pissy" when I discovered that XEmacs was not included in the Red Hat releases by default anymore... 10 years ago or something close to that.... but with yum/apt et.al.
its easy to get... I have over 1 GB of packages that aren't in the default Fedora install... big deal... booohooo... its so simple that I've completely forgot about what a default install is and I don't care.A big non-story but that is my side of the view.
YMMV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160826</id>
	<title>Normal Desktop Users ...</title>
	<author>mshmgi</author>
	<datestamp>1258660080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... are not using Linux.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... are not using Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... are not using Linux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156750</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>smartr</author>
	<datestamp>1258647720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> GIMP user who's groomed two people into happy GIMP users. It's a great program for doing some mild image creation and editing. Many jobs need a bit of that, and GIMP isn't an expensive monster that you can always use as long as you have rights to install a program on a system. I realize it's a big program, but I think this is a boneheaded move. If they're dropping GIMP, they might as well drop Open Office and change the name to Chrome OS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GIMP user who 's groomed two people into happy GIMP users .
It 's a great program for doing some mild image creation and editing .
Many jobs need a bit of that , and GIMP is n't an expensive monster that you can always use as long as you have rights to install a program on a system .
I realize it 's a big program , but I think this is a boneheaded move .
If they 're dropping GIMP , they might as well drop Open Office and change the name to Chrome OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> GIMP user who's groomed two people into happy GIMP users.
It's a great program for doing some mild image creation and editing.
Many jobs need a bit of that, and GIMP isn't an expensive monster that you can always use as long as you have rights to install a program on a system.
I realize it's a big program, but I think this is a boneheaded move.
If they're dropping GIMP, they might as well drop Open Office and change the name to Chrome OS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158490</id>
	<title>GIMP is Trashware -</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258652880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GIMP was top of the line back when Photoshop 6 was the norm, but things have changed. GIMP is so far behind the curve in terms of usability, interface, and features it's not even funny. Even if it is 'technically' more powerful (it's not) it suffers from the same hellish interface problems that Blender does. Any gems hidden in this program are buried under layers of trash and a terribly unintuitive interface. (Don't start in about how I'm just polishing Adobe's knob, either. At least not until GIMP can be opened in a single window without clogging my taskbar with useless shit.)</p><p>The Open Source community would be much better served by either renovating GIMP or finding a new flagship graphic editing program to get behind. Better yet, maybe the FLOSS folk should get a clue and realize that how the user interacts with the program is kind of important instead of using benchmark dickwaving and the fact that it's Open Source to justify bad design decisions. Until something is done about GIMP's piss-poor interface, its name will remain oddly appropriate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GIMP was top of the line back when Photoshop 6 was the norm , but things have changed .
GIMP is so far behind the curve in terms of usability , interface , and features it 's not even funny .
Even if it is 'technically ' more powerful ( it 's not ) it suffers from the same hellish interface problems that Blender does .
Any gems hidden in this program are buried under layers of trash and a terribly unintuitive interface .
( Do n't start in about how I 'm just polishing Adobe 's knob , either .
At least not until GIMP can be opened in a single window without clogging my taskbar with useless shit .
) The Open Source community would be much better served by either renovating GIMP or finding a new flagship graphic editing program to get behind .
Better yet , maybe the FLOSS folk should get a clue and realize that how the user interacts with the program is kind of important instead of using benchmark dickwaving and the fact that it 's Open Source to justify bad design decisions .
Until something is done about GIMP 's piss-poor interface , its name will remain oddly appropriate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GIMP was top of the line back when Photoshop 6 was the norm, but things have changed.
GIMP is so far behind the curve in terms of usability, interface, and features it's not even funny.
Even if it is 'technically' more powerful (it's not) it suffers from the same hellish interface problems that Blender does.
Any gems hidden in this program are buried under layers of trash and a terribly unintuitive interface.
(Don't start in about how I'm just polishing Adobe's knob, either.
At least not until GIMP can be opened in a single window without clogging my taskbar with useless shit.
)The Open Source community would be much better served by either renovating GIMP or finding a new flagship graphic editing program to get behind.
Better yet, maybe the FLOSS folk should get a clue and realize that how the user interacts with the program is kind of important instead of using benchmark dickwaving and the fact that it's Open Source to justify bad design decisions.
Until something is done about GIMP's piss-poor interface, its name will remain oddly appropriate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160080</id>
	<title>Re:Yay.</title>
	<author>jim\_v2000</author>
	<datestamp>1258657680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Someone will hate me for this, but they should get permissions from teh Googles to put Picasa in there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone will hate me for this , but they should get permissions from teh Googles to put Picasa in there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone will hate me for this, but they should get permissions from teh Googles to put Picasa in there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30183292</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>pbhj</author>
	<datestamp>1258805100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Irfanview is pretty crazy on the GUI front too though isn't it, I've always found it rather jarring to use. The only reason I've used it is for its abilities top open nearly every image type, kinda like a graphical ImageMagick-convert.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Irfanview is pretty crazy on the GUI front too though is n't it , I 've always found it rather jarring to use .
The only reason I 've used it is for its abilities top open nearly every image type , kinda like a graphical ImageMagick-convert .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Irfanview is pretty crazy on the GUI front too though isn't it, I've always found it rather jarring to use.
The only reason I've used it is for its abilities top open nearly every image type, kinda like a graphical ImageMagick-convert.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30161890</id>
	<title>GIMP...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258663500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GIMP is terrible, period. But I kind of need it. Believe it or not it's very very good to draw game sprites for some reason, but feels so bloated and useless for most other tasks out of "resize/move/crop/apply filter". Drawing a picture on it is criminally hard.<br>I can understand it being removed, but I guess I am adding it back anyway, just like I did with Pidgin in Karmic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GIMP is terrible , period .
But I kind of need it .
Believe it or not it 's very very good to draw game sprites for some reason , but feels so bloated and useless for most other tasks out of " resize/move/crop/apply filter " .
Drawing a picture on it is criminally hard.I can understand it being removed , but I guess I am adding it back anyway , just like I did with Pidgin in Karmic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GIMP is terrible, period.
But I kind of need it.
Believe it or not it's very very good to draw game sprites for some reason, but feels so bloated and useless for most other tasks out of "resize/move/crop/apply filter".
Drawing a picture on it is criminally hard.I can understand it being removed, but I guess I am adding it back anyway, just like I did with Pidgin in Karmic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30162826</id>
	<title>hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258623480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Losers+Users so it stands to reason..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Losers + Users so it stands to reason. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Losers+Users so it stands to reason..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157804</id>
	<title>Re:I have no issue with this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258650780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have no issue with this.  Gimp is more than most people need anyhow and maybe it will be a good kick in the nads to get the Gimp guys to clean it up a little more.</p><p>Photoshop is a lot more intuitive than Gimp is.  I always feel like I have to jump through hoops to do the same thing in Gimp as I do in Photoshop.</p></div><p>Photoshop is not intuitive.  Where do you get that idea from?  The Photoshop UI is a mess.  That is why people make a living teaching other people how to use Photoshop.<br>In fact the GIMP UI is a lot like various user interfaces that Adobe uses on OS X.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no issue with this .
Gimp is more than most people need anyhow and maybe it will be a good kick in the nads to get the Gimp guys to clean it up a little more.Photoshop is a lot more intuitive than Gimp is .
I always feel like I have to jump through hoops to do the same thing in Gimp as I do in Photoshop.Photoshop is not intuitive .
Where do you get that idea from ?
The Photoshop UI is a mess .
That is why people make a living teaching other people how to use Photoshop.In fact the GIMP UI is a lot like various user interfaces that Adobe uses on OS X .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have no issue with this.
Gimp is more than most people need anyhow and maybe it will be a good kick in the nads to get the Gimp guys to clean it up a little more.Photoshop is a lot more intuitive than Gimp is.
I always feel like I have to jump through hoops to do the same thing in Gimp as I do in Photoshop.Photoshop is not intuitive.
Where do you get that idea from?
The Photoshop UI is a mess.
That is why people make a living teaching other people how to use Photoshop.In fact the GIMP UI is a lot like various user interfaces that Adobe uses on OS X.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30162224</id>
	<title>Re:This is the first thing to get dropped?!</title>
	<author>masmullin</author>
	<datestamp>1258621560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd like a stripped down ubuntu.<br><br>I like ubuntu because its easy and it "just works" (tm).  But a stripped down ubuntu would be "easier" and "just works better" for a lot people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like a stripped down ubuntu.I like ubuntu because its easy and it " just works " ( tm ) .
But a stripped down ubuntu would be " easier " and " just works better " for a lot people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like a stripped down ubuntu.I like ubuntu because its easy and it "just works" (tm).
But a stripped down ubuntu would be "easier" and "just works better" for a lot people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30159054</id>
	<title>What else can I drop?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258654560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like I'll be dropping Ubuntu...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like I 'll be dropping Ubuntu.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like I'll be dropping Ubuntu...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30163386</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Have Brain Will Rent</author>
	<datestamp>1258625160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well (please to take foot out of mouth if GIMP is not open source) why not fork a version of GIMP and change the name? Just the name, nothing else.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well ( please to take foot out of mouth if GIMP is not open source ) why not fork a version of GIMP and change the name ?
Just the name , nothing else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well (please to take foot out of mouth if GIMP is not open source) why not fork a version of GIMP and change the name?
Just the name, nothing else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30159240</id>
	<title>Sweaty?</title>
	<author>Agent Whim</author>
	<datestamp>1258655160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So... you do still have to use the latex suit and mask while using Ubuntu or not? I find it the whole outfit a little sweaty.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So... you do still have to use the latex suit and mask while using Ubuntu or not ?
I find it the whole outfit a little sweaty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... you do still have to use the latex suit and mask while using Ubuntu or not?
I find it the whole outfit a little sweaty.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157508</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>bendodge</author>
	<datestamp>1258649940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has been my internet experience that anyone who has used Photoshop will not like GIMP, but people who haven't learned Photoshop love it. I am one of the latter. Yeah, it's interface is arcane, and maybe it could use a makeover, but I'm very settled in the current wacky ways and I like it. Weird as it is, it's actually pretty fast to work with.</p><p>Also, I think GIMP compares quite favorably to photo editing software like Paint Shop and Paint.NET. The only major feature that keeps it from rivaling Photoshop is CYMK coloring. For example, take a look at this image I touched up for a friend: <a href="http://bsgprogrammers.com/temp/recital/" title="bsgprogrammers.com">http://bsgprogrammers.com/temp/recital/</a> [bsgprogrammers.com]<br>It was taken with a really lame point-and-shoot digital camera (not me!), but I think the result is very usable. She (the subject) asked what I did to the image, and here's a clip of my response:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>1. Used Filter Pack to increase saturation. IIRC I also played with the contrast at this point.<br>2. Used a clone brush to clone out all the bright patches on the trees. I used the main image and one other shot as source. Used a paintbrush in Hue mode to correct the colors to make it uniform.<br>3. Cloned out the car or whatever that was by the tree.<br>4. Used intelligent edge select tool to select your head. Blurred selection by 20 pixels. Used Retinex filter to boost contrast on your head and hair. Did more tweaking with the Levels dialog.<br>5. Used intelligent edge select to select your whole body. Blurred selection by 15 pixels and inverted. Used Defocus plugin to blur the background with the flat method.<br>6. Converted to black and white with the Black and White Conversion plugin using a profile for a certain B&amp;W film I can't recall at this moment.<br>7. Used a paintbrush to fix a few hot spots on the trees.</p></div><p>I posted a different edit of something else on Facebook just for fun, and some time later got this email:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I was really really trying to fix a picture in gimp ( that&rsquo;s actually where the other 40\% of my battery went), and I didn&rsquo;t get anywhere&mdash;I just can&rsquo;t figure that program out. I tried, and tried, and TRIED. And, now I&rsquo;ve given up. I was just trying everything, from enhancing, to blurring, to painting, to balances&mdash;everything. But, I think I wound up making it worse&mdash;not better.  Your picture of Rudy was really motivating&mdash;that was absolutely amazing&mdash;how did you do it?</p></div><p>I think this is an excellent example of why the average person doesn't like GIMP. I first started playing with GIMP when I was maybe 14-15, and I took me a couple years of casual messing around and making pointless stuff to get to where I can actually do what I need to with no stumbling around. I like the way it is, but I agree that a major UI redesign wouldn't hurt a bit in its mass appeal. I also think it's pretty reasonable to leave this out of the default installation. Nobody else I'v met personally can use it, but it's indispensable to me as a tool. I sure hope it has better days ahead.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It has been my internet experience that anyone who has used Photoshop will not like GIMP , but people who have n't learned Photoshop love it .
I am one of the latter .
Yeah , it 's interface is arcane , and maybe it could use a makeover , but I 'm very settled in the current wacky ways and I like it .
Weird as it is , it 's actually pretty fast to work with.Also , I think GIMP compares quite favorably to photo editing software like Paint Shop and Paint.NET .
The only major feature that keeps it from rivaling Photoshop is CYMK coloring .
For example , take a look at this image I touched up for a friend : http : //bsgprogrammers.com/temp/recital/ [ bsgprogrammers.com ] It was taken with a really lame point-and-shoot digital camera ( not me !
) , but I think the result is very usable .
She ( the subject ) asked what I did to the image , and here 's a clip of my response : 1 .
Used Filter Pack to increase saturation .
IIRC I also played with the contrast at this point.2 .
Used a clone brush to clone out all the bright patches on the trees .
I used the main image and one other shot as source .
Used a paintbrush in Hue mode to correct the colors to make it uniform.3 .
Cloned out the car or whatever that was by the tree.4 .
Used intelligent edge select tool to select your head .
Blurred selection by 20 pixels .
Used Retinex filter to boost contrast on your head and hair .
Did more tweaking with the Levels dialog.5 .
Used intelligent edge select to select your whole body .
Blurred selection by 15 pixels and inverted .
Used Defocus plugin to blur the background with the flat method.6 .
Converted to black and white with the Black and White Conversion plugin using a profile for a certain B&amp;W film I ca n't recall at this moment.7 .
Used a paintbrush to fix a few hot spots on the trees.I posted a different edit of something else on Facebook just for fun , and some time later got this email : I was really really trying to fix a picture in gimp ( that    s actually where the other 40 \ % of my battery went ) , and I didn    t get anywhere    I just can    t figure that program out .
I tried , and tried , and TRIED .
And , now I    ve given up .
I was just trying everything , from enhancing , to blurring , to painting , to balances    everything .
But , I think I wound up making it worse    not better .
Your picture of Rudy was really motivating    that was absolutely amazing    how did you do it ? I think this is an excellent example of why the average person does n't like GIMP .
I first started playing with GIMP when I was maybe 14-15 , and I took me a couple years of casual messing around and making pointless stuff to get to where I can actually do what I need to with no stumbling around .
I like the way it is , but I agree that a major UI redesign would n't hurt a bit in its mass appeal .
I also think it 's pretty reasonable to leave this out of the default installation .
Nobody else I'v met personally can use it , but it 's indispensable to me as a tool .
I sure hope it has better days ahead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has been my internet experience that anyone who has used Photoshop will not like GIMP, but people who haven't learned Photoshop love it.
I am one of the latter.
Yeah, it's interface is arcane, and maybe it could use a makeover, but I'm very settled in the current wacky ways and I like it.
Weird as it is, it's actually pretty fast to work with.Also, I think GIMP compares quite favorably to photo editing software like Paint Shop and Paint.NET.
The only major feature that keeps it from rivaling Photoshop is CYMK coloring.
For example, take a look at this image I touched up for a friend: http://bsgprogrammers.com/temp/recital/ [bsgprogrammers.com]It was taken with a really lame point-and-shoot digital camera (not me!
), but I think the result is very usable.
She (the subject) asked what I did to the image, and here's a clip of my response:1.
Used Filter Pack to increase saturation.
IIRC I also played with the contrast at this point.2.
Used a clone brush to clone out all the bright patches on the trees.
I used the main image and one other shot as source.
Used a paintbrush in Hue mode to correct the colors to make it uniform.3.
Cloned out the car or whatever that was by the tree.4.
Used intelligent edge select tool to select your head.
Blurred selection by 20 pixels.
Used Retinex filter to boost contrast on your head and hair.
Did more tweaking with the Levels dialog.5.
Used intelligent edge select to select your whole body.
Blurred selection by 15 pixels and inverted.
Used Defocus plugin to blur the background with the flat method.6.
Converted to black and white with the Black and White Conversion plugin using a profile for a certain B&amp;W film I can't recall at this moment.7.
Used a paintbrush to fix a few hot spots on the trees.I posted a different edit of something else on Facebook just for fun, and some time later got this email:I was really really trying to fix a picture in gimp ( that’s actually where the other 40\% of my battery went), and I didn’t get anywhere—I just can’t figure that program out.
I tried, and tried, and TRIED.
And, now I’ve given up.
I was just trying everything, from enhancing, to blurring, to painting, to balances—everything.
But, I think I wound up making it worse—not better.
Your picture of Rudy was really motivating—that was absolutely amazing—how did you do it?I think this is an excellent example of why the average person doesn't like GIMP.
I first started playing with GIMP when I was maybe 14-15, and I took me a couple years of casual messing around and making pointless stuff to get to where I can actually do what I need to with no stumbling around.
I like the way it is, but I agree that a major UI redesign wouldn't hurt a bit in its mass appeal.
I also think it's pretty reasonable to leave this out of the default installation.
Nobody else I'v met personally can use it, but it's indispensable to me as a tool.
I sure hope it has better days ahead.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156714</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>l0b0</author>
	<datestamp>1258647600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When registering IrfanView in 2007, I asked Irfan Skiljan if he had considered GPL-ing it. The reply was "Thanks, maybe later, but I don't think GPL is the best license type." It would be such a coup for open source platforms if it could be freed and ported...</htmltext>
<tokenext>When registering IrfanView in 2007 , I asked Irfan Skiljan if he had considered GPL-ing it .
The reply was " Thanks , maybe later , but I do n't think GPL is the best license type .
" It would be such a coup for open source platforms if it could be freed and ported.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When registering IrfanView in 2007, I asked Irfan Skiljan if he had considered GPL-ing it.
The reply was "Thanks, maybe later, but I don't think GPL is the best license type.
" It would be such a coup for open source platforms if it could be freed and ported...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30162234</id>
	<title>Not Just Photo editor: try map creation</title>
	<author>drjohnretired</author>
	<datestamp>1258621560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I may have missed if someone else raised this point.  Graphics editor is not the same as photo editor.  I have been using GIMP to produce reasonable quality hiking maps.  Here the ability to separate content by layers is critical.  Contour lines, road and streams, my GPS data, and finally text anotation, each have their own layer. For example see:

Resulting JPEG <a href="http://www.jtphillips.com/NBATC/MainTopPriest.jpg" title="jtphillips.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jtphillips.com/NBATC/MainTopPriest.jpg</a> [jtphillips.com]
GIMP file          <a href="http://www.jtphillips.com/NBATC/MainTopPriest.xcf" title="jtphillips.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jtphillips.com/NBATC/MainTopPriest.xcf</a> [jtphillips.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I may have missed if someone else raised this point .
Graphics editor is not the same as photo editor .
I have been using GIMP to produce reasonable quality hiking maps .
Here the ability to separate content by layers is critical .
Contour lines , road and streams , my GPS data , and finally text anotation , each have their own layer .
For example see : Resulting JPEG http : //www.jtphillips.com/NBATC/MainTopPriest.jpg [ jtphillips.com ] GIMP file http : //www.jtphillips.com/NBATC/MainTopPriest.xcf [ jtphillips.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I may have missed if someone else raised this point.
Graphics editor is not the same as photo editor.
I have been using GIMP to produce reasonable quality hiking maps.
Here the ability to separate content by layers is critical.
Contour lines, road and streams, my GPS data, and finally text anotation, each have their own layer.
For example see:

Resulting JPEG http://www.jtphillips.com/NBATC/MainTopPriest.jpg [jtphillips.com]
GIMP file          http://www.jtphillips.com/NBATC/MainTopPriest.xcf [jtphillips.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160124</id>
	<title>brush system sucks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258657860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I render/paint in Photoshop and Painter, and that is where GIMP really fails. The brush system is absolutely horrid, with half of the controls under the toolbox and the other half on the brush palette.</p><p>Not to mention the silly UI takes up a large portion of my 24" monitor and is useless on my laptop. The toolbox is HUGE and leaves little space for the actual workspace.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I render/paint in Photoshop and Painter , and that is where GIMP really fails .
The brush system is absolutely horrid , with half of the controls under the toolbox and the other half on the brush palette.Not to mention the silly UI takes up a large portion of my 24 " monitor and is useless on my laptop .
The toolbox is HUGE and leaves little space for the actual workspace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I render/paint in Photoshop and Painter, and that is where GIMP really fails.
The brush system is absolutely horrid, with half of the controls under the toolbox and the other half on the brush palette.Not to mention the silly UI takes up a large portion of my 24" monitor and is useless on my laptop.
The toolbox is HUGE and leaves little space for the actual workspace.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157066</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1258648740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yet another example of the post literate situation where everyone just wants things to be like that first of the type they see and nobody can bother to read any docs.  The "weird interface" makes perfect sense with multiple virtual desktops or multiple screens, you'll see similar things creep into applications like photoshop just as things like undo crept in.  Multiple workspaces are no longer just a *nix thing.<br>To me photoshop was the odd interface because I encountered that after gimp and CAD programs - and then got flamed a great deal when I asked where undo was.  The response from several was "real professionals save frequently and will never need undo" along with a prolonged game of kick the newbie that never pretended to be anything else in the first place.  The reality is just like CAD and solid modelling programs.  There are too many options to make a simple interface possible thus both suck until you've used them a lot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet another example of the post literate situation where everyone just wants things to be like that first of the type they see and nobody can bother to read any docs .
The " weird interface " makes perfect sense with multiple virtual desktops or multiple screens , you 'll see similar things creep into applications like photoshop just as things like undo crept in .
Multiple workspaces are no longer just a * nix thing.To me photoshop was the odd interface because I encountered that after gimp and CAD programs - and then got flamed a great deal when I asked where undo was .
The response from several was " real professionals save frequently and will never need undo " along with a prolonged game of kick the newbie that never pretended to be anything else in the first place .
The reality is just like CAD and solid modelling programs .
There are too many options to make a simple interface possible thus both suck until you 've used them a lot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet another example of the post literate situation where everyone just wants things to be like that first of the type they see and nobody can bother to read any docs.
The "weird interface" makes perfect sense with multiple virtual desktops or multiple screens, you'll see similar things creep into applications like photoshop just as things like undo crept in.
Multiple workspaces are no longer just a *nix thing.To me photoshop was the odd interface because I encountered that after gimp and CAD programs - and then got flamed a great deal when I asked where undo was.
The response from several was "real professionals save frequently and will never need undo" along with a prolonged game of kick the newbie that never pretended to be anything else in the first place.
The reality is just like CAD and solid modelling programs.
There are too many options to make a simple interface possible thus both suck until you've used them a lot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160464</id>
	<title>Re:The name says what it does</title>
	<author>nametaken</author>
	<datestamp>1258658880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah right... go sell <i>that</i> at work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah right... go sell that at work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah right... go sell that at work.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156108</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258645440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This.<br>
<br>
GIMP is clearly designed by developers for themselves, instead of by developers for users. Its all rather sad because GIMP, feature-wise, is pretty much on-par in most ways with Photoshop.<br>
<br>
I've tried several times to use GIMP for my photo editing needs, but every time I run away precisely because the UI is so bad. Can't find the feature, or its implemented unintuitively, or I need to do 3 operations to do something common that in Photoshop only takes 1 operation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This .
GIMP is clearly designed by developers for themselves , instead of by developers for users .
Its all rather sad because GIMP , feature-wise , is pretty much on-par in most ways with Photoshop .
I 've tried several times to use GIMP for my photo editing needs , but every time I run away precisely because the UI is so bad .
Ca n't find the feature , or its implemented unintuitively , or I need to do 3 operations to do something common that in Photoshop only takes 1 operation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This.
GIMP is clearly designed by developers for themselves, instead of by developers for users.
Its all rather sad because GIMP, feature-wise, is pretty much on-par in most ways with Photoshop.
I've tried several times to use GIMP for my photo editing needs, but every time I run away precisely because the UI is so bad.
Can't find the feature, or its implemented unintuitively, or I need to do 3 operations to do something common that in Photoshop only takes 1 operation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157984</id>
	<title>Re:What is F Spot?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258651320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The package name has a dash in it:</p><p>apt-get install f-spot</p><p>I was curious about it so I installed it and I am really unimpressed with the interaction design. I wanted to edit a photo, so I looked for the 'Open' option (there isn't one). They call it 'Import' for some reason. OK. Import it is. Now I see a dialog box asking for an import source. The default item in the drop-down box says "Select Folder". I click it and am presented with the default option ("Select Folder" without ellipses that indicate clicking would lead to more dialog) and no other option (a disabled item says "(No Cameras Detected)"). OK. Select Folder it is. Of course, I don't really let the bit about 'Folder' sink in. I mean, I want to open a damned JPEG file. Individually. OK? No, not OK. I could navigate to the directory where my file was, but the file itself was disabled. Why? Rename it from IMG\_1234.JPG to mypic.jpg to see if capitalization was the problem. No. Oh... \_folder\_. I see. I have to import the entire folder? Well, ok, open a terminal and move mypic.jpg to its own (new) folder since I don't want to include the rest. (It turns out that isn't necessary because on the next step it asks me which files in particular I want to import.)</p><p>At this point I have been overwhelmed with Bogon radiation and have decided F-Spot isn't for me. Which means it DEFINITELY isn't for less technically agile people.</p><p>So... to continue. Now I want to resize my picture, which is probably the only thing I will need to do 60\% of the time. I can't find the damned resize function. There's "Image Information" that includes a read-only text representation of the size. The "Photo" and "Edit" menus are no help. Maybe "Tools". No, "Tools" contains "Hash for Duplicates" and "Configure Screensaver". Are you serious? <i>Hash for Duplicates?</i> It is only because I have a background in computer science that I know which sense of the word <i>Hash</i> they mean, but given how bad the interaction design is here I imagine the developers were partaking in another sense of the word.</p><p>The Sidebar (that's their term, not mine... I might call it a button bar) has functions like Crop and Adjust Colors. So I click Adjust Colors to see what I can do, and replaces the sidebar with a different UI that gives me a bunch of sliders. There is no obvious way to go back to the sidebar... oh I see the 'X' in the corner, so I click that. No, that's not it. Now it just removed the entire sidebar area and I don't know how to get it back. OK, hunt around in the menus. I find "View -&gt; Components -&gt; Sidebar" after way too long. I get my sidebar back, but I'm curious how the hell I'm supposed to adjust colors and then get the sidebar back. Oh, OK, there's a vertical scrollbar, with the 'Cancel' button way down there below the fold. Nice.</p><p>So if Ubuntu is going to not include the GIMP, that is fine because their stated reason resonates, and GIMP really is overkill for the simple crop/resize/straighten/color-balance/remove-redeye/upload-to-facebook purposes most people will need. But if they think F-Spot is the cure to this problem, I think they are high on crack.</p><p>Open source developers really need to learn a thing or two about interaction design. It doesn't matter how elegant your algorithms are or how clever your application architecture is if your interface is horrible. And I'm not talking about the mythical Aunt Tillie type of user, I'm talking about normal Linux desktop users who are smart, technically with it but very busy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The package name has a dash in it : apt-get install f-spotI was curious about it so I installed it and I am really unimpressed with the interaction design .
I wanted to edit a photo , so I looked for the 'Open ' option ( there is n't one ) .
They call it 'Import ' for some reason .
OK. Import it is .
Now I see a dialog box asking for an import source .
The default item in the drop-down box says " Select Folder " .
I click it and am presented with the default option ( " Select Folder " without ellipses that indicate clicking would lead to more dialog ) and no other option ( a disabled item says " ( No Cameras Detected ) " ) .
OK. Select Folder it is .
Of course , I do n't really let the bit about 'Folder ' sink in .
I mean , I want to open a damned JPEG file .
Individually. OK ?
No , not OK. I could navigate to the directory where my file was , but the file itself was disabled .
Why ? Rename it from IMG \ _1234.JPG to mypic.jpg to see if capitalization was the problem .
No. Oh... \ _folder \ _. I see .
I have to import the entire folder ?
Well , ok , open a terminal and move mypic.jpg to its own ( new ) folder since I do n't want to include the rest .
( It turns out that is n't necessary because on the next step it asks me which files in particular I want to import .
) At this point I have been overwhelmed with Bogon radiation and have decided F-Spot is n't for me .
Which means it DEFINITELY is n't for less technically agile people.So... to continue .
Now I want to resize my picture , which is probably the only thing I will need to do 60 \ % of the time .
I ca n't find the damned resize function .
There 's " Image Information " that includes a read-only text representation of the size .
The " Photo " and " Edit " menus are no help .
Maybe " Tools " .
No , " Tools " contains " Hash for Duplicates " and " Configure Screensaver " .
Are you serious ?
Hash for Duplicates ?
It is only because I have a background in computer science that I know which sense of the word Hash they mean , but given how bad the interaction design is here I imagine the developers were partaking in another sense of the word.The Sidebar ( that 's their term , not mine... I might call it a button bar ) has functions like Crop and Adjust Colors .
So I click Adjust Colors to see what I can do , and replaces the sidebar with a different UI that gives me a bunch of sliders .
There is no obvious way to go back to the sidebar... oh I see the 'X ' in the corner , so I click that .
No , that 's not it .
Now it just removed the entire sidebar area and I do n't know how to get it back .
OK , hunt around in the menus .
I find " View - &gt; Components - &gt; Sidebar " after way too long .
I get my sidebar back , but I 'm curious how the hell I 'm supposed to adjust colors and then get the sidebar back .
Oh , OK , there 's a vertical scrollbar , with the 'Cancel ' button way down there below the fold .
Nice.So if Ubuntu is going to not include the GIMP , that is fine because their stated reason resonates , and GIMP really is overkill for the simple crop/resize/straighten/color-balance/remove-redeye/upload-to-facebook purposes most people will need .
But if they think F-Spot is the cure to this problem , I think they are high on crack.Open source developers really need to learn a thing or two about interaction design .
It does n't matter how elegant your algorithms are or how clever your application architecture is if your interface is horrible .
And I 'm not talking about the mythical Aunt Tillie type of user , I 'm talking about normal Linux desktop users who are smart , technically with it but very busy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The package name has a dash in it:apt-get install f-spotI was curious about it so I installed it and I am really unimpressed with the interaction design.
I wanted to edit a photo, so I looked for the 'Open' option (there isn't one).
They call it 'Import' for some reason.
OK. Import it is.
Now I see a dialog box asking for an import source.
The default item in the drop-down box says "Select Folder".
I click it and am presented with the default option ("Select Folder" without ellipses that indicate clicking would lead to more dialog) and no other option (a disabled item says "(No Cameras Detected)").
OK. Select Folder it is.
Of course, I don't really let the bit about 'Folder' sink in.
I mean, I want to open a damned JPEG file.
Individually. OK?
No, not OK. I could navigate to the directory where my file was, but the file itself was disabled.
Why? Rename it from IMG\_1234.JPG to mypic.jpg to see if capitalization was the problem.
No. Oh... \_folder\_. I see.
I have to import the entire folder?
Well, ok, open a terminal and move mypic.jpg to its own (new) folder since I don't want to include the rest.
(It turns out that isn't necessary because on the next step it asks me which files in particular I want to import.
)At this point I have been overwhelmed with Bogon radiation and have decided F-Spot isn't for me.
Which means it DEFINITELY isn't for less technically agile people.So... to continue.
Now I want to resize my picture, which is probably the only thing I will need to do 60\% of the time.
I can't find the damned resize function.
There's "Image Information" that includes a read-only text representation of the size.
The "Photo" and "Edit" menus are no help.
Maybe "Tools".
No, "Tools" contains "Hash for Duplicates" and "Configure Screensaver".
Are you serious?
Hash for Duplicates?
It is only because I have a background in computer science that I know which sense of the word Hash they mean, but given how bad the interaction design is here I imagine the developers were partaking in another sense of the word.The Sidebar (that's their term, not mine... I might call it a button bar) has functions like Crop and Adjust Colors.
So I click Adjust Colors to see what I can do, and replaces the sidebar with a different UI that gives me a bunch of sliders.
There is no obvious way to go back to the sidebar... oh I see the 'X' in the corner, so I click that.
No, that's not it.
Now it just removed the entire sidebar area and I don't know how to get it back.
OK, hunt around in the menus.
I find "View -&gt; Components -&gt; Sidebar" after way too long.
I get my sidebar back, but I'm curious how the hell I'm supposed to adjust colors and then get the sidebar back.
Oh, OK, there's a vertical scrollbar, with the 'Cancel' button way down there below the fold.
Nice.So if Ubuntu is going to not include the GIMP, that is fine because their stated reason resonates, and GIMP really is overkill for the simple crop/resize/straighten/color-balance/remove-redeye/upload-to-facebook purposes most people will need.
But if they think F-Spot is the cure to this problem, I think they are high on crack.Open source developers really need to learn a thing or two about interaction design.
It doesn't matter how elegant your algorithms are or how clever your application architecture is if your interface is horrible.
And I'm not talking about the mythical Aunt Tillie type of user, I'm talking about normal Linux desktop users who are smart, technically with it but very busy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157108</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>migla</author>
	<datestamp>1258648860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why don't *you* (or anyone else) go ahead and do that? Make a fork of the GIMP with nothing but the name and logos changed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't * you * ( or anyone else ) go ahead and do that ?
Make a fork of the GIMP with nothing but the name and logos changed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't *you* (or anyone else) go ahead and do that?
Make a fork of the GIMP with nothing but the name and logos changed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30163408</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>story645</author>
	<datestamp>1258625220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>gimp and CAD programs</p> </div><p>I had to use autocad in high school and it was pretty straightforward. When I had to touch ProE a few years back, didn't find it that disorienting once I got some instructions on how to use it. The circuit simulation programs I currently use (modelSim and multiSim) are similar in UI and therefore not totally evil. They've generally all got the same UI principal: default to a clean interface with just the simple options, but customizable so you can have all the tools you need/use visible at all times. (OpenOffice got for more usable once it started embracing this approach too.) I haven't used gimp for a few years, but from what you're saying it seems it hasn't yet transitioned to an easy default but utterly customizable UI.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>gimp and CAD programs I had to use autocad in high school and it was pretty straightforward .
When I had to touch ProE a few years back , did n't find it that disorienting once I got some instructions on how to use it .
The circuit simulation programs I currently use ( modelSim and multiSim ) are similar in UI and therefore not totally evil .
They 've generally all got the same UI principal : default to a clean interface with just the simple options , but customizable so you can have all the tools you need/use visible at all times .
( OpenOffice got for more usable once it started embracing this approach too .
) I have n't used gimp for a few years , but from what you 're saying it seems it has n't yet transitioned to an easy default but utterly customizable UI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>gimp and CAD programs I had to use autocad in high school and it was pretty straightforward.
When I had to touch ProE a few years back, didn't find it that disorienting once I got some instructions on how to use it.
The circuit simulation programs I currently use (modelSim and multiSim) are similar in UI and therefore not totally evil.
They've generally all got the same UI principal: default to a clean interface with just the simple options, but customizable so you can have all the tools you need/use visible at all times.
(OpenOffice got for more usable once it started embracing this approach too.
) I haven't used gimp for a few years, but from what you're saying it seems it hasn't yet transitioned to an easy default but utterly customizable UI.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156266</id>
	<title>sudo aptitude install gimp</title>
	<author>bl8n8r</author>
	<datestamp>1258645980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>fixed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>fixed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fixed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30159606</id>
	<title>A lot of software doesn't need to be included</title>
	<author>nexttech</author>
	<datestamp>1258656420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't see this as a problem, more like a step in the right direction.<br>

In some ways Ubuntu suffers from some application bloat.  I question why Tom Boy Notes, F-Spot, Open Office and a host of others are even included.  With the app repository it becomes very simple to get these if you really need them anyway.<br> <br>

In the 3.x days of windows you did not get a Word Processor, internet browser, Office Suite in the base product.  You got to choose which one you wanted.  It would be great to see Ubuntu move in the direction of choice instead of pushing apps on a user.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see this as a problem , more like a step in the right direction .
In some ways Ubuntu suffers from some application bloat .
I question why Tom Boy Notes , F-Spot , Open Office and a host of others are even included .
With the app repository it becomes very simple to get these if you really need them anyway .
In the 3.x days of windows you did not get a Word Processor , internet browser , Office Suite in the base product .
You got to choose which one you wanted .
It would be great to see Ubuntu move in the direction of choice instead of pushing apps on a user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see this as a problem, more like a step in the right direction.
In some ways Ubuntu suffers from some application bloat.
I question why Tom Boy Notes, F-Spot, Open Office and a host of others are even included.
With the app repository it becomes very simple to get these if you really need them anyway.
In the 3.x days of windows you did not get a Word Processor, internet browser, Office Suite in the base product.
You got to choose which one you wanted.
It would be great to see Ubuntu move in the direction of choice instead of pushing apps on a user.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156636</id>
	<title>Re:I have no issue with this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258647360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GIMP is to Photoshop as Java is to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/Ducks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GIMP is to Photoshop as Java is to .NET /Ducks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GIMP is to Photoshop as Java is to .NET /Ducks</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157560</id>
	<title>Agree and Disagree</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258650120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with the need to fix the UI and change the name, but GIMP should be in a default install.  Power users shouldn't have to wait for an installation or a download, just make the file extension association default to a simpler program for novice users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with the need to fix the UI and change the name , but GIMP should be in a default install .
Power users should n't have to wait for an installation or a download , just make the file extension association default to a simpler program for novice users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with the need to fix the UI and change the name, but GIMP should be in a default install.
Power users shouldn't have to wait for an installation or a download, just make the file extension association default to a simpler program for novice users.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30164544</id>
	<title>Re:Just remove gcc too, it's too complex anyway</title>
	<author>Quantumstate</author>
	<datestamp>1258628640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your post seems very confused.  Firstly gcc is not on the CD either, you have to install build-essential.  Secondly it can be installed very easily with the package manager.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your post seems very confused .
Firstly gcc is not on the CD either , you have to install build-essential .
Secondly it can be installed very easily with the package manager .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your post seems very confused.
Firstly gcc is not on the CD either, you have to install build-essential.
Secondly it can be installed very easily with the package manager.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157938</id>
	<title>Too bad F-Spot also sucks ass</title>
	<author>melted</author>
	<datestamp>1258651200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is my message to F-Spot developers: do some fucking usability tests, and then get an actual UI designer and have him address the issues. Or if you can't, just rip off the iPhoto UI wholesale. "Real" users get lost in the current F-Spot within 15 seconds. Its UI for \_browsing\_ the pictures sucks, it's import functionality is confusing, and its editing is both confusing and inadequate. Yes, I know the proverb about the teeth of the gift horse, but if we're picking based on merit here, let's recognize that currently there's no good choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is my message to F-Spot developers : do some fucking usability tests , and then get an actual UI designer and have him address the issues .
Or if you ca n't , just rip off the iPhoto UI wholesale .
" Real " users get lost in the current F-Spot within 15 seconds .
Its UI for \ _browsing \ _ the pictures sucks , it 's import functionality is confusing , and its editing is both confusing and inadequate .
Yes , I know the proverb about the teeth of the gift horse , but if we 're picking based on merit here , let 's recognize that currently there 's no good choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is my message to F-Spot developers: do some fucking usability tests, and then get an actual UI designer and have him address the issues.
Or if you can't, just rip off the iPhoto UI wholesale.
"Real" users get lost in the current F-Spot within 15 seconds.
Its UI for \_browsing\_ the pictures sucks, it's import functionality is confusing, and its editing is both confusing and inadequate.
Yes, I know the proverb about the teeth of the gift horse, but if we're picking based on merit here, let's recognize that currently there's no good choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156004</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258645080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd say you have no idea what the folks at Ubuntu are thinking.  It's a huge app, and it takes up disk space.  It's also not something your average Ubuntu user will ever use, so it makes sense to make room on the default install CD for other applications that may prove to be more useful to more people.</p><p>I'm one of the folks who learned image editing in the Unix/Linux world, and have yet to touch Photoshop for anything image related.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd say you have no idea what the folks at Ubuntu are thinking .
It 's a huge app , and it takes up disk space .
It 's also not something your average Ubuntu user will ever use , so it makes sense to make room on the default install CD for other applications that may prove to be more useful to more people.I 'm one of the folks who learned image editing in the Unix/Linux world , and have yet to touch Photoshop for anything image related .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd say you have no idea what the folks at Ubuntu are thinking.
It's a huge app, and it takes up disk space.
It's also not something your average Ubuntu user will ever use, so it makes sense to make room on the default install CD for other applications that may prove to be more useful to more people.I'm one of the folks who learned image editing in the Unix/Linux world, and have yet to touch Photoshop for anything image related.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30161204</id>
	<title>Too powerful?</title>
	<author>TxRv</author>
	<datestamp>1258661340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm disappointed, but I guess since I already have GIMP and won't be buying an install disc any time soon, I can't complain. Plus, it's free.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm disappointed , but I guess since I already have GIMP and wo n't be buying an install disc any time soon , I ca n't complain .
Plus , it 's free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm disappointed, but I guess since I already have GIMP and won't be buying an install disc any time soon, I can't complain.
Plus, it's free.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156014</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258645080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That UI is perfect for my dual monitor pc. If you don't like the UI, don't use it and buy photoshop (or paint shop pro, which is a much better deal).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That UI is perfect for my dual monitor pc .
If you do n't like the UI , do n't use it and buy photoshop ( or paint shop pro , which is a much better deal ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That UI is perfect for my dual monitor pc.
If you don't like the UI, don't use it and buy photoshop (or paint shop pro, which is a much better deal).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156342</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>MrHanky</author>
	<datestamp>1258646280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, most of you whiners don't seem to actually use it, and now you even make up arguments from the Canonical devs to support your unfounded claims. Of course fanboys will "shout you down"; you don't know what you're talking about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , most of you whiners do n't seem to actually use it , and now you even make up arguments from the Canonical devs to support your unfounded claims .
Of course fanboys will " shout you down " ; you do n't know what you 're talking about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, most of you whiners don't seem to actually use it, and now you even make up arguments from the Canonical devs to support your unfounded claims.
Of course fanboys will "shout you down"; you don't know what you're talking about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160686</id>
	<title>You can pry GIMP from my cold, dead hands...</title>
	<author>pongo000</author>
	<datestamp>1258659540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...when someone shows me software that can <b>edit PDFs seamlessly, and then export them to the file format of my choice.</b>  (Sorry, ImageMagick doesn't cut it.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...when someone shows me software that can edit PDFs seamlessly , and then export them to the file format of my choice .
( Sorry , ImageMagick does n't cut it .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...when someone shows me software that can edit PDFs seamlessly, and then export them to the file format of my choice.
(Sorry, ImageMagick doesn't cut it.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30166476</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258636920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Words are just words. They're only offensive if you decide to make them so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Words are just words .
They 're only offensive if you decide to make them so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Words are just words.
They're only offensive if you decide to make them so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30171150</id>
	<title>Re:Why I Quit GIMP After 2 Minutes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258732860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm... That tutorial is kind of crap. It's also very old, and not written by any of the Gimp developers.</p><p>That aside, holding shift to draw lines is actually better for one important reason - it works with any tool. You can use it with any of the basic drawing tools, the eraser, smudge tool, clone brush... It's also a hell of a lot faster than having to switch tools, draw a line, and then switch back.</p><p>Oh yes - Photoshop also has this exact same feature. It's even mentioned at the bottom of the page you linked to. It's actually a very common feature among image editors.</p><p>OK, it's not as obviously discoverable as a separate line tool. The vast majority of Photoshop's functionality is the same - you'd never know it's there unless someone told you about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm... That tutorial is kind of crap .
It 's also very old , and not written by any of the Gimp developers.That aside , holding shift to draw lines is actually better for one important reason - it works with any tool .
You can use it with any of the basic drawing tools , the eraser , smudge tool , clone brush... It 's also a hell of a lot faster than having to switch tools , draw a line , and then switch back.Oh yes - Photoshop also has this exact same feature .
It 's even mentioned at the bottom of the page you linked to .
It 's actually a very common feature among image editors.OK , it 's not as obviously discoverable as a separate line tool .
The vast majority of Photoshop 's functionality is the same - you 'd never know it 's there unless someone told you about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm... That tutorial is kind of crap.
It's also very old, and not written by any of the Gimp developers.That aside, holding shift to draw lines is actually better for one important reason - it works with any tool.
You can use it with any of the basic drawing tools, the eraser, smudge tool, clone brush... It's also a hell of a lot faster than having to switch tools, draw a line, and then switch back.Oh yes - Photoshop also has this exact same feature.
It's even mentioned at the bottom of the page you linked to.
It's actually a very common feature among image editors.OK, it's not as obviously discoverable as a separate line tool.
The vast majority of Photoshop's functionality is the same - you'd never know it's there unless someone told you about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30162448</id>
	<title>F-Spot I cant find it.</title>
	<author>masmullin</author>
	<datestamp>1258622280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do I find this next to the g-spot?  g'd dangit, I cant find either!<br><br>Ohhh its preinstalled  you say, nevermind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do I find this next to the g-spot ?
g 'd dangit , I cant find either ! Ohhh its preinstalled you say , nevermind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do I find this next to the g-spot?
g'd dangit, I cant find either!Ohhh its preinstalled  you say, nevermind.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160808</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258659960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>have you tried using gimp in the last 18 months?</p><p>the photoshop modifications have been the default since Ubuntu 8.04.  the UI is a lot less-worse these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>have you tried using gimp in the last 18 months ? the photoshop modifications have been the default since Ubuntu 8.04. the UI is a lot less-worse these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>have you tried using gimp in the last 18 months?the photoshop modifications have been the default since Ubuntu 8.04.  the UI is a lot less-worse these days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157420</id>
	<title>Re:I have no issue with this</title>
	<author>fyoder</author>
	<datestamp>1258649700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Photoshop is a lot more intuitive than Gimp is. I always feel like I have to jump through hoops to do the same thing in Gimp as I do in Photoshop.</p></div><p>Holy crap, if that isn't a clear example of intuitive being defined as 'what you're used to' I don't know what is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Photoshop is a lot more intuitive than Gimp is .
I always feel like I have to jump through hoops to do the same thing in Gimp as I do in Photoshop.Holy crap , if that is n't a clear example of intuitive being defined as 'what you 're used to ' I do n't know what is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Photoshop is a lot more intuitive than Gimp is.
I always feel like I have to jump through hoops to do the same thing in Gimp as I do in Photoshop.Holy crap, if that isn't a clear example of intuitive being defined as 'what you're used to' I don't know what is.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30155908</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30155896</id>
	<title>name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258644540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why do the developers of gimp refuse to change the name? i have used gimp, i have it installed on windows, and i really like it. i think that given it is free software, it goes far and beyond what one would expect of a free program.</p><p>but surely it could benefit from a name change...what would be the downside of a name change? would some developer's egos be bruised that they bowed to outside pressure?</p><p>i dont mean to troll, but once the name changes</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why do the developers of gimp refuse to change the name ?
i have used gimp , i have it installed on windows , and i really like it .
i think that given it is free software , it goes far and beyond what one would expect of a free program.but surely it could benefit from a name change...what would be the downside of a name change ?
would some developer 's egos be bruised that they bowed to outside pressure ? i dont mean to troll , but once the name changes</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why do the developers of gimp refuse to change the name?
i have used gimp, i have it installed on windows, and i really like it.
i think that given it is free software, it goes far and beyond what one would expect of a free program.but surely it could benefit from a name change...what would be the downside of a name change?
would some developer's egos be bruised that they bowed to outside pressure?i dont mean to troll, but once the name changes</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30169384</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Finite9</author>
	<datestamp>1258714740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who wants to be a slave to The Man and "conform" to marketing-speak naming conventions?
<br>
<br>
Free Naming<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) is one of the things that gives character.
<br>
<br>
Im not a hippy but I think it's sad that people can't get past a name.  Are you so superficial?  Is management?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who wants to be a slave to The Man and " conform " to marketing-speak naming conventions ?
Free Naming : ) is one of the things that gives character .
Im not a hippy but I think it 's sad that people ca n't get past a name .
Are you so superficial ?
Is management ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who wants to be a slave to The Man and "conform" to marketing-speak naming conventions?
Free Naming :) is one of the things that gives character.
Im not a hippy but I think it's sad that people can't get past a name.
Are you so superficial?
Is management?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30166746</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258638600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's because the Gimp developers think that only the code matters.</p><p>It would be like car developers thinking that the only thing that's important about the car is the engine specs and how well the car does to get you from A to B. While that is undoubtedly important, there's also a very good reason so much is spent on car design (including aesthetics, comfort and steering controls) and product branding.</p><p>Gimp developers still think all that matters is the underlying engine that brings you from A to B. It kind of shows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's because the Gimp developers think that only the code matters.It would be like car developers thinking that the only thing that 's important about the car is the engine specs and how well the car does to get you from A to B. While that is undoubtedly important , there 's also a very good reason so much is spent on car design ( including aesthetics , comfort and steering controls ) and product branding.Gimp developers still think all that matters is the underlying engine that brings you from A to B. It kind of shows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's because the Gimp developers think that only the code matters.It would be like car developers thinking that the only thing that's important about the car is the engine specs and how well the car does to get you from A to B. While that is undoubtedly important, there's also a very good reason so much is spent on car design (including aesthetics, comfort and steering controls) and product branding.Gimp developers still think all that matters is the underlying engine that brings you from A to B. It kind of shows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157444</id>
	<title>gimp wants this</title>
	<author>nostriluu</author>
	<datestamp>1258649820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
I have it from a gimp developer that they intentionally cultivate user unfriendliness because they don't want to deal with 'clueless newbies.' It would benefit ubuntu and open source mainstream if they forgot about gimp. It has a stupid name and is not designed to be a user friendly program. It's not particularly powerful either, so holding it up as the Photoshop alternative isn't very useful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have it from a gimp developer that they intentionally cultivate user unfriendliness because they do n't want to deal with 'clueless newbies .
' It would benefit ubuntu and open source mainstream if they forgot about gimp .
It has a stupid name and is not designed to be a user friendly program .
It 's not particularly powerful either , so holding it up as the Photoshop alternative is n't very useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I have it from a gimp developer that they intentionally cultivate user unfriendliness because they don't want to deal with 'clueless newbies.
' It would benefit ubuntu and open source mainstream if they forgot about gimp.
It has a stupid name and is not designed to be a user friendly program.
It's not particularly powerful either, so holding it up as the Photoshop alternative isn't very useful.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30163948</id>
	<title>shoot the decision-makers at Gnome</title>
	<author>quixote9</author>
	<datestamp>1258626840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Honestly.  F-spot is <i>awful</i>.  Gthumb actually works -- you can do complicated stuff like decide which directory you want photos to be in.  First thing I do with a new ubuntu install is dump f-spot, install gthumb, go through the effing rigamorole to make it the default app for that, and curse a whole bunch.  For any actual image processing, it's gimp.  Duh.<br> <br>

The gnome devs have so many stupid defaults sometimes I wonder what planet they live on.  Just one example: you can't rename the desktop icons for media.  It's "8GB-drive" or whatever.  I have about three separate USB thumbdrives, all 8GB, and no way to name them something useful because I'm such a dumb user that would confuse me.<br> <br>

The only one with enough clout to kick those guys is probably Shuttleworth.  So why in hell isn't he doing it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly .
F-spot is awful .
Gthumb actually works -- you can do complicated stuff like decide which directory you want photos to be in .
First thing I do with a new ubuntu install is dump f-spot , install gthumb , go through the effing rigamorole to make it the default app for that , and curse a whole bunch .
For any actual image processing , it 's gimp .
Duh . The gnome devs have so many stupid defaults sometimes I wonder what planet they live on .
Just one example : you ca n't rename the desktop icons for media .
It 's " 8GB-drive " or whatever .
I have about three separate USB thumbdrives , all 8GB , and no way to name them something useful because I 'm such a dumb user that would confuse me .
The only one with enough clout to kick those guys is probably Shuttleworth .
So why in hell is n't he doing it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly.
F-spot is awful.
Gthumb actually works -- you can do complicated stuff like decide which directory you want photos to be in.
First thing I do with a new ubuntu install is dump f-spot, install gthumb, go through the effing rigamorole to make it the default app for that, and curse a whole bunch.
For any actual image processing, it's gimp.
Duh. 

The gnome devs have so many stupid defaults sometimes I wonder what planet they live on.
Just one example: you can't rename the desktop icons for media.
It's "8GB-drive" or whatever.
I have about three separate USB thumbdrives, all 8GB, and no way to name them something useful because I'm such a dumb user that would confuse me.
The only one with enough clout to kick those guys is probably Shuttleworth.
So why in hell isn't he doing it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30229252</id>
	<title>Re:Why I Quit GIMP After 2 Minutes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257192960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree.  Even PAINT.NET has a line tool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
Even PAINT.NET has a line tool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
Even PAINT.NET has a line tool.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30167802</id>
	<title>direction</title>
	<author>luther349</author>
	<datestamp>1258648800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ubuntu has been doing that with each release. 9.10 removed pidgin for empathy witch i personalty don't like it yes it can do voice chat but thats its only advantage over pidgin everything else it just seems to lack compared. and most linux user just use skype anyways. in fact 9.10 did not come with gimp it came with f-spot so this is old news. as for f-spot i agree it is good enough for most users. i dont do any major photo stuff on any pc and for those that do know of gimp aruldy. for you basic viewer and stuff f-spot does the job.</htmltext>
<tokenext>ubuntu has been doing that with each release .
9.10 removed pidgin for empathy witch i personalty do n't like it yes it can do voice chat but thats its only advantage over pidgin everything else it just seems to lack compared .
and most linux user just use skype anyways .
in fact 9.10 did not come with gimp it came with f-spot so this is old news .
as for f-spot i agree it is good enough for most users .
i dont do any major photo stuff on any pc and for those that do know of gimp aruldy .
for you basic viewer and stuff f-spot does the job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ubuntu has been doing that with each release.
9.10 removed pidgin for empathy witch i personalty don't like it yes it can do voice chat but thats its only advantage over pidgin everything else it just seems to lack compared.
and most linux user just use skype anyways.
in fact 9.10 did not come with gimp it came with f-spot so this is old news.
as for f-spot i agree it is good enough for most users.
i dont do any major photo stuff on any pc and for those that do know of gimp aruldy.
for you basic viewer and stuff f-spot does the job.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30186112</id>
	<title>Re:Why I Quit GIMP After 2 Minutes</title>
	<author>eXlin</author>
	<datestamp>1258830420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You might be right that it's how its expected to be, but it doesn't mean that its best way of doing things.
If you do things some way because it's how you have done it and your dad, grandad and so on....<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...things will never develop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You might be right that it 's how its expected to be , but it does n't mean that its best way of doing things .
If you do things some way because it 's how you have done it and your dad , grandad and so on.... ...things will never develop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might be right that it's how its expected to be, but it doesn't mean that its best way of doing things.
If you do things some way because it's how you have done it and your dad, grandad and so on.... ...things will never develop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30164126</id>
	<title>GIMP Dropped From Ubuntu 10.04</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258627200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>What a pity!  I was delighted to discover GIMP in Dapper and have been very glad to be free from Photoshop etc. ever since.  I suppose it will still be downloadable and compatible with 10.04?  Anyone know?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What a pity !
I was delighted to discover GIMP in Dapper and have been very glad to be free from Photoshop etc .
ever since .
I suppose it will still be downloadable and compatible with 10.04 ?
Anyone know ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a pity!
I was delighted to discover GIMP in Dapper and have been very glad to be free from Photoshop etc.
ever since.
I suppose it will still be downloadable and compatible with 10.04?
Anyone know?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30159036</id>
	<title>F-Spot?</title>
	<author>Dasher42</author>
	<datestamp>1258654500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't say that I approve of an application that along with Tomboy alone supposedly justify the additional bloat of libmono, which none of the other standard desktop apps use.  That doesn't make sense for leanness and reuse.</p><p>They should look at what Yorba is doing with Shotwell:  <a href="http://yorba.org/" title="yorba.org">http://yorba.org/</a> [yorba.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't say that I approve of an application that along with Tomboy alone supposedly justify the additional bloat of libmono , which none of the other standard desktop apps use .
That does n't make sense for leanness and reuse.They should look at what Yorba is doing with Shotwell : http : //yorba.org/ [ yorba.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't say that I approve of an application that along with Tomboy alone supposedly justify the additional bloat of libmono, which none of the other standard desktop apps use.
That doesn't make sense for leanness and reuse.They should look at what Yorba is doing with Shotwell:  http://yorba.org/ [yorba.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160534</id>
	<title>Re:They've got this one backwards.</title>
	<author>tylersoze</author>
	<datestamp>1258659060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you think Gimp is bad, try Blender some time. Thankfully most people don't have to do 3D. Sometimes it takes a complicated UI to do complicated things. Personally I don't find Gimp too different from Photoshop really. I've found the UI to be fairly discoverable assuming you already have familiarity with image editing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think Gimp is bad , try Blender some time .
Thankfully most people do n't have to do 3D .
Sometimes it takes a complicated UI to do complicated things .
Personally I do n't find Gimp too different from Photoshop really .
I 've found the UI to be fairly discoverable assuming you already have familiarity with image editing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think Gimp is bad, try Blender some time.
Thankfully most people don't have to do 3D.
Sometimes it takes a complicated UI to do complicated things.
Personally I don't find Gimp too different from Photoshop really.
I've found the UI to be fairly discoverable assuming you already have familiarity with image editing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156136</id>
	<title>The name says what it does</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258645500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>why do the developers of gimp refuse to change the name?</p></div><p>"GNU Image Manipulation Program" is a <strong>program</strong> published by the <strong>GNU</strong> project that <strong>manipulates images</strong>. As a descriptive name, it's no worse than "Microsoft Internet Explorer".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>why do the developers of gimp refuse to change the name ?
" GNU Image Manipulation Program " is a program published by the GNU project that manipulates images .
As a descriptive name , it 's no worse than " Microsoft Internet Explorer " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why do the developers of gimp refuse to change the name?
"GNU Image Manipulation Program" is a program published by the GNU project that manipulates images.
As a descriptive name, it's no worse than "Microsoft Internet Explorer".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156372</id>
	<title>They've got this one backwards.</title>
	<author>ProppaT</author>
	<datestamp>1258646460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not that Gimp is too powerful for the normal desktop user, it's the fact that Gimp's user interface is way, way too confusing for anyone but those who REALLY want to learn it.  I've been using Adobe and Corel paint/photoediting programs for 15 years now and, let me tell you, that knowledge does not necessarily translate to Gimp.  It's like starting from scratch, and not in the "about time someone rebuilt this from the ground up" kind of way, more of the "what the hell were they thinking?" kinda way.  Then again, it's open source.  It's powerful software created by people who'd rather be using a command line anyway...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not that Gimp is too powerful for the normal desktop user , it 's the fact that Gimp 's user interface is way , way too confusing for anyone but those who REALLY want to learn it .
I 've been using Adobe and Corel paint/photoediting programs for 15 years now and , let me tell you , that knowledge does not necessarily translate to Gimp .
It 's like starting from scratch , and not in the " about time someone rebuilt this from the ground up " kind of way , more of the " what the hell were they thinking ?
" kinda way .
Then again , it 's open source .
It 's powerful software created by people who 'd rather be using a command line anyway.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not that Gimp is too powerful for the normal desktop user, it's the fact that Gimp's user interface is way, way too confusing for anyone but those who REALLY want to learn it.
I've been using Adobe and Corel paint/photoediting programs for 15 years now and, let me tell you, that knowledge does not necessarily translate to Gimp.
It's like starting from scratch, and not in the "about time someone rebuilt this from the ground up" kind of way, more of the "what the hell were they thinking?
" kinda way.
Then again, it's open source.
It's powerful software created by people who'd rather be using a command line anyway...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30167318</id>
	<title>Re:PFref</title>
	<author>Theswager</author>
	<datestamp>1258643040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I always think about that movie when talking/hearing/reading about the GIMP and the last line...lol</htmltext>
<tokenext>I always think about that movie when talking/hearing/reading about the GIMP and the last line...lol</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always think about that movie when talking/hearing/reading about the GIMP and the last line...lol</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156102</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157200</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>Pengo</author>
	<datestamp>1258649040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup, i've been working in web-oriented programming shops since the late 90's and I have never had ANYONE actually use the gimp for anything.</p><p>We make use of hundreds of other open source tools, ranging from Java to now Ruby, IDE's, OS's, scripting, etc.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...  no gimp.</p><p>A few people here and there claim to use it, prefer it over photoshop, and good for them.  Makes me wonder if they are even professional designers, and if so, if they have a job.</p><p>My hunch is no and no.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Doing design work in Gimp seems about as fun as doing Java programming in Emacs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , i 've been working in web-oriented programming shops since the late 90 's and I have never had ANYONE actually use the gimp for anything.We make use of hundreds of other open source tools , ranging from Java to now Ruby , IDE 's , OS 's , scripting , etc .
... no gimp.A few people here and there claim to use it , prefer it over photoshop , and good for them .
Makes me wonder if they are even professional designers , and if so , if they have a job.My hunch is no and no .
: ) Doing design work in Gimp seems about as fun as doing Java programming in Emacs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup, i've been working in web-oriented programming shops since the late 90's and I have never had ANYONE actually use the gimp for anything.We make use of hundreds of other open source tools, ranging from Java to now Ruby, IDE's, OS's, scripting, etc.
...  no gimp.A few people here and there claim to use it, prefer it over photoshop, and good for them.
Makes me wonder if they are even professional designers, and if so, if they have a job.My hunch is no and no.
:)Doing design work in Gimp seems about as fun as doing Java programming in Emacs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156542</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258647120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It makes for awkward stares when someone see the "Beginning GIMP" book on my coffee table and thinks it somehow involves rubber suits and a bucket of soapy frogs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes for awkward stares when someone see the " Beginning GIMP " book on my coffee table and thinks it somehow involves rubber suits and a bucket of soapy frogs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes for awkward stares when someone see the "Beginning GIMP" book on my coffee table and thinks it somehow involves rubber suits and a bucket of soapy frogs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30169586</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258717980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>This.</i><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...is an increasingly annoying pointless affectation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This .
...is an increasingly annoying pointless affectation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This.
...is an increasingly annoying pointless affectation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30237602</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>vurian</author>
	<datestamp>1259256000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Second page, top link: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bondage\_suit" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bondage\_suit</a> [wikipedia.org].

(Not that I knew what "gimp" meant in American English until people started complaining about the name on slashdot...)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Second page , top link : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bondage \ _suit [ wikipedia.org ] .
( Not that I knew what " gimp " meant in American English until people started complaining about the name on slashdot... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Second page, top link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bondage\_suit [wikipedia.org].
(Not that I knew what "gimp" meant in American English until people started complaining about the name on slashdot...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157770</id>
	<title>er... apt-get anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258650660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously... this is not a big issue, does anyone think that you won't just be able to do 'apt-get install gimp' if you want it?</p><p>(And in the case of the GIMP, if you don't know anything about it, chances are you are going to be quite confused by the interface, but if you know about it and how to use it, you probably know enough to be able to apt-get it).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously... this is not a big issue , does anyone think that you wo n't just be able to do 'apt-get install gimp ' if you want it ?
( And in the case of the GIMP , if you do n't know anything about it , chances are you are going to be quite confused by the interface , but if you know about it and how to use it , you probably know enough to be able to apt-get it ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously... this is not a big issue, does anyone think that you won't just be able to do 'apt-get install gimp' if you want it?
(And in the case of the GIMP, if you don't know anything about it, chances are you are going to be quite confused by the interface, but if you know about it and how to use it, you probably know enough to be able to apt-get it).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157210</id>
	<title>Doesn't affect me much</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258649040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I rarely use GIMP, since my only system with Linux (Ubuntu specifically) is my Dell Mini 9.  GIMP's interface is too big for the puny resolution on there anyway, so I pretty much never use it.</p><p>Still, it's always a shame when a tradition like this is broken up, even if it is done for good reasons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I rarely use GIMP , since my only system with Linux ( Ubuntu specifically ) is my Dell Mini 9 .
GIMP 's interface is too big for the puny resolution on there anyway , so I pretty much never use it.Still , it 's always a shame when a tradition like this is broken up , even if it is done for good reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I rarely use GIMP, since my only system with Linux (Ubuntu specifically) is my Dell Mini 9.
GIMP's interface is too big for the puny resolution on there anyway, so I pretty much never use it.Still, it's always a shame when a tradition like this is broken up, even if it is done for good reasons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30162712</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258623060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using an older distro, the Gimp was the only app that allowed for proper document scanning. It actually called up Xsane and it works quite well. The weird thing is that if you tried Xsane from the menu it wouldn't work by it's self at all. So I hope this has been resolved or thought about since then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using an older distro , the Gimp was the only app that allowed for proper document scanning .
It actually called up Xsane and it works quite well .
The weird thing is that if you tried Xsane from the menu it would n't work by it 's self at all .
So I hope this has been resolved or thought about since then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using an older distro, the Gimp was the only app that allowed for proper document scanning.
It actually called up Xsane and it works quite well.
The weird thing is that if you tried Xsane from the menu it wouldn't work by it's self at all.
So I hope this has been resolved or thought about since then.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157238</id>
	<title>Re:The name says what it does</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258649100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"GNU Image Manipulation Program" is a <strong>program</strong> published by the <strong>GNU</strong> project that <strong>manipulates images</strong>. As a descriptive name, it's no worse than "Microsoft Internet Explorer".</p></div><p>The question posed by the GP is not whether the name describes the function, but rather whether the everyday used name, "GIMP", or as you can see in this discussion quite often just "Gimp", is a useful name for drawing in less experienced users. I can easily see many users being frightened off by the name. In this context, "frightened" does not mean literally scared, but rather less likely to give the program a look. It's relevant, regardless of which side of the argument you ultimately come out on. It's not like they couldn't come up with another acronym that also described the program. Your condescension does a disservice to the discussion.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" GNU Image Manipulation Program " is a program published by the GNU project that manipulates images .
As a descriptive name , it 's no worse than " Microsoft Internet Explorer " .The question posed by the GP is not whether the name describes the function , but rather whether the everyday used name , " GIMP " , or as you can see in this discussion quite often just " Gimp " , is a useful name for drawing in less experienced users .
I can easily see many users being frightened off by the name .
In this context , " frightened " does not mean literally scared , but rather less likely to give the program a look .
It 's relevant , regardless of which side of the argument you ultimately come out on .
It 's not like they could n't come up with another acronym that also described the program .
Your condescension does a disservice to the discussion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"GNU Image Manipulation Program" is a program published by the GNU project that manipulates images.
As a descriptive name, it's no worse than "Microsoft Internet Explorer".The question posed by the GP is not whether the name describes the function, but rather whether the everyday used name, "GIMP", or as you can see in this discussion quite often just "Gimp", is a useful name for drawing in less experienced users.
I can easily see many users being frightened off by the name.
In this context, "frightened" does not mean literally scared, but rather less likely to give the program a look.
It's relevant, regardless of which side of the argument you ultimately come out on.
It's not like they couldn't come up with another acronym that also described the program.
Your condescension does a disservice to the discussion.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30159164</id>
	<title>Dude... GIMP's UI?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258654920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I actually don't understand what everyone's gripe is with the Gimp... At least it includes all the tools in the toolbox. Simple camera perspective correction in Gimp: Perspective tool in Toolbox, click, drag. Simple camera perspective correction in Photoshop: looking all over those vaguely-named menus and sub-menus for the perspective tool. Found in Edit --&gt; Some unrelated sub-menu. Click, drag - d'oh! The, "Perspective" tool is actually broken and doesn't do anything like what you want it to. Instead, you have to go to Edit --&gt; Some unrelated sub-menu --&gt; DISTORT, which behaves nearly-identically to the perspective tool except it isn't broken and doesn't suck.</p><p>Photoshop's had me in tears hundreds of times... and it's supposed to be a benchmark for the Gimp? I bloody well hope not!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually do n't understand what everyone 's gripe is with the Gimp... At least it includes all the tools in the toolbox .
Simple camera perspective correction in Gimp : Perspective tool in Toolbox , click , drag .
Simple camera perspective correction in Photoshop : looking all over those vaguely-named menus and sub-menus for the perspective tool .
Found in Edit -- &gt; Some unrelated sub-menu .
Click , drag - d'oh !
The , " Perspective " tool is actually broken and does n't do anything like what you want it to .
Instead , you have to go to Edit -- &gt; Some unrelated sub-menu -- &gt; DISTORT , which behaves nearly-identically to the perspective tool except it is n't broken and does n't suck.Photoshop 's had me in tears hundreds of times... and it 's supposed to be a benchmark for the Gimp ?
I bloody well hope not !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually don't understand what everyone's gripe is with the Gimp... At least it includes all the tools in the toolbox.
Simple camera perspective correction in Gimp: Perspective tool in Toolbox, click, drag.
Simple camera perspective correction in Photoshop: looking all over those vaguely-named menus and sub-menus for the perspective tool.
Found in Edit --&gt; Some unrelated sub-menu.
Click, drag - d'oh!
The, "Perspective" tool is actually broken and doesn't do anything like what you want it to.
Instead, you have to go to Edit --&gt; Some unrelated sub-menu --&gt; DISTORT, which behaves nearly-identically to the perspective tool except it isn't broken and doesn't suck.Photoshop's had me in tears hundreds of times... and it's supposed to be a benchmark for the Gimp?
I bloody well hope not!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157906</id>
	<title>Re:The name says what it does</title>
	<author>ArsonSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1258651080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GIM is truly outrageous.  Truly, truly, truly, outrageous!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GIM is truly outrageous .
Truly , truly , truly , outrageous !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GIM is truly outrageous.
Truly, truly, truly, outrageous!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156248</id>
	<title>Wow. Just wow.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258645920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess I can stop complaining that fedora 12 does not include pidgin, in favour of some idiot client with no file transfer and no encryption.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I can stop complaining that fedora 12 does not include pidgin , in favour of some idiot client with no file transfer and no encryption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I can stop complaining that fedora 12 does not include pidgin, in favour of some idiot client with no file transfer and no encryption.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156684</id>
	<title>Re:Yay.</title>
	<author>andre\_pl</author>
	<datestamp>1258647480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mod This Man Up!
F Spot might be okay for some people, but I for one completely agree with AC's sentiments,nobody wants a photo manager.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod This Man Up !
F Spot might be okay for some people , but I for one completely agree with AC 's sentiments,nobody wants a photo manager .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod This Man Up!
F Spot might be okay for some people, but I for one completely agree with AC's sentiments,nobody wants a photo manager.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30163806</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258626420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think they should call it Gnu IMP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think they should call it Gnu IMP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think they should call it Gnu IMP.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160364</id>
	<title>Dumping Ubuntu</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258658580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love The Gimp. I don't like the direction of Ubuntu, using crappy mono apps to replace quality apps. Arch/Linux here i come, i'll assemble my own suite of apps and to hell with these mono scumbags. KDE and XFCE desktops instead of Gnome from now on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love The Gimp .
I do n't like the direction of Ubuntu , using crappy mono apps to replace quality apps .
Arch/Linux here i come , i 'll assemble my own suite of apps and to hell with these mono scumbags .
KDE and XFCE desktops instead of Gnome from now on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love The Gimp.
I don't like the direction of Ubuntu, using crappy mono apps to replace quality apps.
Arch/Linux here i come, i'll assemble my own suite of apps and to hell with these mono scumbags.
KDE and XFCE desktops instead of Gnome from now on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30166320</id>
	<title>I dont' use it a lot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258636200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't use GIMP a lot, but what I do use it for, I consider it essential.  Its wicked powerful enough.  Ok, I admit I use it mostly (now) for converting picture file formats, but you can use it for tweaking textures and photos too, which I expect I will be using it for a lot more in the future.  It is a little hard to use, but I've seen software that is hard to use, transformed into easier-to-use software (read Blender).  2.5 isn't out yet, but there are a lot of back-end uses for Gimp aimed at blender (part of the pipeline).  You can do some texture painting in Blender, but the Gimp does this better.  Oh, and in the Gimp vs Photoshop debate, its a thin debate whether Photoshop really is any better than Blender.  In the Blender vs Maya debate, there are a LOT of features in Blender that kick Mayas butt hard (oh and 3ds max and others too).   The upcoming version of Blender (even the beta version) is wicked sick!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't use GIMP a lot , but what I do use it for , I consider it essential .
Its wicked powerful enough .
Ok , I admit I use it mostly ( now ) for converting picture file formats , but you can use it for tweaking textures and photos too , which I expect I will be using it for a lot more in the future .
It is a little hard to use , but I 've seen software that is hard to use , transformed into easier-to-use software ( read Blender ) .
2.5 is n't out yet , but there are a lot of back-end uses for Gimp aimed at blender ( part of the pipeline ) .
You can do some texture painting in Blender , but the Gimp does this better .
Oh , and in the Gimp vs Photoshop debate , its a thin debate whether Photoshop really is any better than Blender .
In the Blender vs Maya debate , there are a LOT of features in Blender that kick Mayas butt hard ( oh and 3ds max and others too ) .
The upcoming version of Blender ( even the beta version ) is wicked sick !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't use GIMP a lot, but what I do use it for, I consider it essential.
Its wicked powerful enough.
Ok, I admit I use it mostly (now) for converting picture file formats, but you can use it for tweaking textures and photos too, which I expect I will be using it for a lot more in the future.
It is a little hard to use, but I've seen software that is hard to use, transformed into easier-to-use software (read Blender).
2.5 isn't out yet, but there are a lot of back-end uses for Gimp aimed at blender (part of the pipeline).
You can do some texture painting in Blender, but the Gimp does this better.
Oh, and in the Gimp vs Photoshop debate, its a thin debate whether Photoshop really is any better than Blender.
In the Blender vs Maya debate, there are a LOT of features in Blender that kick Mayas butt hard (oh and 3ds max and others too).
The upcoming version of Blender (even the beta version) is wicked sick!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160822</id>
	<title>Re:Yay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258660020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are these things called \_quotation marks\_ that you can use to set off quoted text.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are these things called \ _quotation marks \ _ that you can use to set off quoted text .
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are these things called \_quotation marks\_ that you can use to set off quoted text.
:P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158874</id>
	<title>Mono</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258654020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>F-Spot is likely to be seen as a very BAD replacement, seeing as it's a Mono application.  So it will be one more Mono-based app becoming the *default* (F-Spot was already being installed, but wasn't the only image app previously).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>F-Spot is likely to be seen as a very BAD replacement , seeing as it 's a Mono application .
So it will be one more Mono-based app becoming the * default * ( F-Spot was already being installed , but was n't the only image app previously ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>F-Spot is likely to be seen as a very BAD replacement, seeing as it's a Mono application.
So it will be one more Mono-based app becoming the *default* (F-Spot was already being installed, but wasn't the only image app previously).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30159084</id>
	<title>Re:I have no issue with this</title>
	<author>jafac</author>
	<datestamp>1258654680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to use Photoshop all the time.  Stopped around teh 7.0 time-frame.</p><p>I'd been using GIMP for the past two years, mostly for really minor things; buttons and web graphics.</p><p>I went to a friends computer to use Photoshop C3 and I was completely baffled.  For example, I couldn't figure out how do either emboss text, or create a drop shadow after two hours of tinkering.  Photoshop USED to be more intutitive - but IMO, it no longer is.  GIMP's got its warts, that's for sure.  But if you take the time to get used to them, it's more than adequate for simple tasks.</p><p>(reason I had to use Photoshop CS3, is that's what he had installed, it was a Mac, and his XWindows were broken, so we had no way to quickly get GIMP up and running).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to use Photoshop all the time .
Stopped around teh 7.0 time-frame.I 'd been using GIMP for the past two years , mostly for really minor things ; buttons and web graphics.I went to a friends computer to use Photoshop C3 and I was completely baffled .
For example , I could n't figure out how do either emboss text , or create a drop shadow after two hours of tinkering .
Photoshop USED to be more intutitive - but IMO , it no longer is .
GIMP 's got its warts , that 's for sure .
But if you take the time to get used to them , it 's more than adequate for simple tasks .
( reason I had to use Photoshop CS3 , is that 's what he had installed , it was a Mac , and his XWindows were broken , so we had no way to quickly get GIMP up and running ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to use Photoshop all the time.
Stopped around teh 7.0 time-frame.I'd been using GIMP for the past two years, mostly for really minor things; buttons and web graphics.I went to a friends computer to use Photoshop C3 and I was completely baffled.
For example, I couldn't figure out how do either emboss text, or create a drop shadow after two hours of tinkering.
Photoshop USED to be more intutitive - but IMO, it no longer is.
GIMP's got its warts, that's for sure.
But if you take the time to get used to them, it's more than adequate for simple tasks.
(reason I had to use Photoshop CS3, is that's what he had installed, it was a Mac, and his XWindows were broken, so we had no way to quickly get GIMP up and running).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156700</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258647540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't just change a name arbitrarily. It makes you seem fickle, unmanly. There has to be a good reason.</p><p>For example, if the Gimp project merged with the F-Spot project, the new name could G-Sp -- hrm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't just change a name arbitrarily .
It makes you seem fickle , unmanly .
There has to be a good reason.For example , if the Gimp project merged with the F-Spot project , the new name could G-Sp -- hrm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't just change a name arbitrarily.
It makes you seem fickle, unmanly.
There has to be a good reason.For example, if the Gimp project merged with the F-Spot project, the new name could G-Sp -- hrm.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158214</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>obi</author>
	<datestamp>1258652040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think the Gimp UI is perfect, but I don't particularly like the Photoshop UI either. However there's several features and functionality in Photoshop that GIMP could adopt (and I suspect they will soon). But I'm not sure a Photoshop clone (UI wise) is what they should be aiming for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think the Gimp UI is perfect , but I do n't particularly like the Photoshop UI either .
However there 's several features and functionality in Photoshop that GIMP could adopt ( and I suspect they will soon ) .
But I 'm not sure a Photoshop clone ( UI wise ) is what they should be aiming for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think the Gimp UI is perfect, but I don't particularly like the Photoshop UI either.
However there's several features and functionality in Photoshop that GIMP could adopt (and I suspect they will soon).
But I'm not sure a Photoshop clone (UI wise) is what they should be aiming for.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156152</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30167756</id>
	<title>Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258648380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as it is an apt-get away, it's no big deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as it is an apt-get away , it 's no big deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as it is an apt-get away, it's no big deal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30159352</id>
	<title>As a photoshop user</title>
	<author>Scared Rabbit</author>
	<datestamp>1258655520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>GIMP takes me 12 times as long to get ANYTHING done with.  I'm certainly not a power user in photoshop, but simple little things take me a lot longer because of just how different GIMP seems to work.  One of these days I'll get around to installing photoshop in WINE and then I can disregard GIMP totally.</htmltext>
<tokenext>GIMP takes me 12 times as long to get ANYTHING done with .
I 'm certainly not a power user in photoshop , but simple little things take me a lot longer because of just how different GIMP seems to work .
One of these days I 'll get around to installing photoshop in WINE and then I can disregard GIMP totally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GIMP takes me 12 times as long to get ANYTHING done with.
I'm certainly not a power user in photoshop, but simple little things take me a lot longer because of just how different GIMP seems to work.
One of these days I'll get around to installing photoshop in WINE and then I can disregard GIMP totally.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157492</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258649940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its also a kind of thick plastic string that can be braided into useless zipper pulls.  I used a lot of it in middle school.  Gimp isn't always a pejorative term, you make it one by the wrong association.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its also a kind of thick plastic string that can be braided into useless zipper pulls .
I used a lot of it in middle school .
Gimp is n't always a pejorative term , you make it one by the wrong association .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its also a kind of thick plastic string that can be braided into useless zipper pulls.
I used a lot of it in middle school.
Gimp isn't always a pejorative term, you make it one by the wrong association.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30161034</id>
	<title>f-spot drags tons of mono...</title>
	<author>idiotein30</author>
	<datestamp>1258660620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>f-spot like it's friend tomboy drags tons of "mono" packages, which is of no interest to users and free software in general, maybe scraping this would help saving space for The Gimp ? Besides, f-spot sucks, it's nowhere near Digikam that ships with KDE, and it's not playing in The Gimp category. Most Ubuntu users I know use (non-free) Picasa&#174; or Digikam together with The Gimp.</p><p>Well, looks like Ubuntustudio <a href="http://ubuntustudio.org/" title="ubuntustudio.org" rel="nofollow">http://ubuntustudio.org/</a> [ubuntustudio.org] really serves a purpose...</p><p>Or maybe Ubuntu should just ship with "Applications" menu icons that just trigger the "Ubuntu software center" on the corresponding software when clicked, this way the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.iso stays light, but user still get a chance to discover the very nice program that The Gimp is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>f-spot like it 's friend tomboy drags tons of " mono " packages , which is of no interest to users and free software in general , maybe scraping this would help saving space for The Gimp ?
Besides , f-spot sucks , it 's nowhere near Digikam that ships with KDE , and it 's not playing in The Gimp category .
Most Ubuntu users I know use ( non-free ) Picasa   or Digikam together with The Gimp.Well , looks like Ubuntustudio http : //ubuntustudio.org/ [ ubuntustudio.org ] really serves a purpose...Or maybe Ubuntu should just ship with " Applications " menu icons that just trigger the " Ubuntu software center " on the corresponding software when clicked , this way the .iso stays light , but user still get a chance to discover the very nice program that The Gimp is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>f-spot like it's friend tomboy drags tons of "mono" packages, which is of no interest to users and free software in general, maybe scraping this would help saving space for The Gimp ?
Besides, f-spot sucks, it's nowhere near Digikam that ships with KDE, and it's not playing in The Gimp category.
Most Ubuntu users I know use (non-free) Picasa® or Digikam together with The Gimp.Well, looks like Ubuntustudio http://ubuntustudio.org/ [ubuntustudio.org] really serves a purpose...Or maybe Ubuntu should just ship with "Applications" menu icons that just trigger the "Ubuntu software center" on the corresponding software when clicked, this way the .iso stays light, but user still get a chance to discover the very nice program that The Gimp is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156724</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258647600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's interesting. I, too, never found any Linux app rivalling Irfanview for that and use it through WINE too.<br>zgv was close but 1) it died with SVGAlib (and no, xzgv doesn't cut it), 2) it was more limited, 3) it had some nasty bugs that could crash the whole machine (SUID to access console).<br>F-spot is an abomination. I need a quick and lean [hoto editing software, not a mammoth that tries to hijack all of my computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's interesting .
I , too , never found any Linux app rivalling Irfanview for that and use it through WINE too.zgv was close but 1 ) it died with SVGAlib ( and no , xzgv does n't cut it ) , 2 ) it was more limited , 3 ) it had some nasty bugs that could crash the whole machine ( SUID to access console ) .F-spot is an abomination .
I need a quick and lean [ hoto editing software , not a mammoth that tries to hijack all of my computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's interesting.
I, too, never found any Linux app rivalling Irfanview for that and use it through WINE too.zgv was close but 1) it died with SVGAlib (and no, xzgv doesn't cut it), 2) it was more limited, 3) it had some nasty bugs that could crash the whole machine (SUID to access console).F-spot is an abomination.
I need a quick and lean [hoto editing software, not a mammoth that tries to hijack all of my computer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156158</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30168682</id>
	<title>Gimp interface</title>
	<author>jdc18</author>
	<datestamp>1258658580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use gimp a lot, and it is quite powerfull, but the interface sucks. I dont like having this many floating panels and windows.  Inkscape on the other hand is really good.  I showed to some illustrator users and they liked.  It is simple, light and fast.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use gimp a lot , and it is quite powerfull , but the interface sucks .
I dont like having this many floating panels and windows .
Inkscape on the other hand is really good .
I showed to some illustrator users and they liked .
It is simple , light and fast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use gimp a lot, and it is quite powerfull, but the interface sucks.
I dont like having this many floating panels and windows.
Inkscape on the other hand is really good.
I showed to some illustrator users and they liked.
It is simple, light and fast.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160120</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258657800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The upside would be having a software program whose name is not a pejorative term in the English language.</p></div><p>In that case, "Windows" needs a name change too...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The upside would be having a software program whose name is not a pejorative term in the English language.In that case , " Windows " needs a name change too.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The upside would be having a software program whose name is not a pejorative term in the English language.In that case, "Windows" needs a name change too...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156764</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157118</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>ErroneousBee</author>
	<datestamp>1258648860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But GIMP?  Hell, I don't even know where to start whenever I load it.  I've installed it dozens of times thinking I must be missing something that makes it easier to use but it's just not worth my time.</p></div><p>Have you tried File-&gt;Open to open an image. Then Use the menu bar across the top to get to the tools, or I use shortcuts shift-R=rotate shift-C=crop shift-T=scale C=clone shift-ctrl-S=saveAs. Theres a handy area with all the tools in it if you like icons.

</p><p>I do my photo editing and icon design on it, and its trivial to do the basics in spot editing, resizing and noise filtering. I expect most of your problems are "it doesn't work like photoshop", so maybe if you stop trying to relate everything to photoshop it might be a bit easier. Or you could get photoshop and the necessary plugins like noise ninja and just be happy not using GIMP.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But GIMP ?
Hell , I do n't even know where to start whenever I load it .
I 've installed it dozens of times thinking I must be missing something that makes it easier to use but it 's just not worth my time.Have you tried File- &gt; Open to open an image .
Then Use the menu bar across the top to get to the tools , or I use shortcuts shift-R = rotate shift-C = crop shift-T = scale C = clone shift-ctrl-S = saveAs .
Theres a handy area with all the tools in it if you like icons .
I do my photo editing and icon design on it , and its trivial to do the basics in spot editing , resizing and noise filtering .
I expect most of your problems are " it does n't work like photoshop " , so maybe if you stop trying to relate everything to photoshop it might be a bit easier .
Or you could get photoshop and the necessary plugins like noise ninja and just be happy not using GIMP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But GIMP?
Hell, I don't even know where to start whenever I load it.
I've installed it dozens of times thinking I must be missing something that makes it easier to use but it's just not worth my time.Have you tried File-&gt;Open to open an image.
Then Use the menu bar across the top to get to the tools, or I use shortcuts shift-R=rotate shift-C=crop shift-T=scale C=clone shift-ctrl-S=saveAs.
Theres a handy area with all the tools in it if you like icons.
I do my photo editing and icon design on it, and its trivial to do the basics in spot editing, resizing and noise filtering.
I expect most of your problems are "it doesn't work like photoshop", so maybe if you stop trying to relate everything to photoshop it might be a bit easier.
Or you could get photoshop and the necessary plugins like noise ninja and just be happy not using GIMP.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30161614</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>Fallingcow</author>
	<datestamp>1258662660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even if a whole graphics shop managed to switch over to The GIMP, they'd still have to have a copy or two of Photoshop kicking around if they <i>ever</i> have to accept and alter<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.psd files from outside sources, as The GIMP's support for that format is lacking and likely to result in unpleasant "god, this image looks really flat... wait, WTF happened to my pretty, subtle drop shadows!" conversations when the outside designers see what you've done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if a whole graphics shop managed to switch over to The GIMP , they 'd still have to have a copy or two of Photoshop kicking around if they ever have to accept and alter .psd files from outside sources , as The GIMP 's support for that format is lacking and likely to result in unpleasant " god , this image looks really flat... wait , WTF happened to my pretty , subtle drop shadows !
" conversations when the outside designers see what you 've done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if a whole graphics shop managed to switch over to The GIMP, they'd still have to have a copy or two of Photoshop kicking around if they ever have to accept and alter .psd files from outside sources, as The GIMP's support for that format is lacking and likely to result in unpleasant "god, this image looks really flat... wait, WTF happened to my pretty, subtle drop shadows!
" conversations when the outside designers see what you've done.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157200</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156734</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258647660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I propose "The Crippled Lesbian Biker" for the new name for the GIMP. It's much less offensive and it just rolls off the tongue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I propose " The Crippled Lesbian Biker " for the new name for the GIMP .
It 's much less offensive and it just rolls off the tongue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I propose "The Crippled Lesbian Biker" for the new name for the GIMP.
It's much less offensive and it just rolls off the tongue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30155896</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158912</id>
	<title>I'll Tell You Why -</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258654140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the other times this has been brought up here are any indication, the Flossies don't want to imitate Photoshop.</p><p>Yeah. That's right. They don't want to imitate Photoshop, and they'll come up with a million bullshit reasons for that, too. It's too 'corporate', it's unoriginal, it'd be just as intimidating for users, it'd use more precious system resources, blah-blah-blah. The minute that you bring this up around a bunch of hardcore OSS (Open Source Sheeple) they'll immediately launch into tirades defending GIMP's inexcusable weaknesses on those grounds, probably while insulting your intelligence and claiming that you're some kind of paid plant.</p><p>Paid to bother them. Yeah.</p><p>The minute that anyone here says, "The interface is fine as it is, if you can't understand it you probably don't get Photoshop either," they instantly lose all of their credentials as a computer user, a software critic, and a human being with functioning eyes. Nobody cares if it's not original, least of all your users. Extremely few people will care if decrypting the GUI will make it eat up a couple more megabytes of RAM. (Though it is a marvelously light program, I'll give it that.) Anyone who has used any piece of commercial graphic editing software over the past fifteen years will thank you for making it more Photoshop-like, and so will new users that GIMP is just bound to terrify as it is. Until someone else comes up with an even better interface (preferably one that doesn't require like five windows to be open, including a random command line window that shuts down the whole program when closed) the 'Photoshop' style interface will remain the best option, as well as what is expected.</p><p>The OSS crowd, forever resistant to external forces of change and well-informed criticism, will likely never make those modifications the standard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the other times this has been brought up here are any indication , the Flossies do n't want to imitate Photoshop.Yeah .
That 's right .
They do n't want to imitate Photoshop , and they 'll come up with a million bullshit reasons for that , too .
It 's too 'corporate ' , it 's unoriginal , it 'd be just as intimidating for users , it 'd use more precious system resources , blah-blah-blah .
The minute that you bring this up around a bunch of hardcore OSS ( Open Source Sheeple ) they 'll immediately launch into tirades defending GIMP 's inexcusable weaknesses on those grounds , probably while insulting your intelligence and claiming that you 're some kind of paid plant.Paid to bother them .
Yeah.The minute that anyone here says , " The interface is fine as it is , if you ca n't understand it you probably do n't get Photoshop either , " they instantly lose all of their credentials as a computer user , a software critic , and a human being with functioning eyes .
Nobody cares if it 's not original , least of all your users .
Extremely few people will care if decrypting the GUI will make it eat up a couple more megabytes of RAM .
( Though it is a marvelously light program , I 'll give it that .
) Anyone who has used any piece of commercial graphic editing software over the past fifteen years will thank you for making it more Photoshop-like , and so will new users that GIMP is just bound to terrify as it is .
Until someone else comes up with an even better interface ( preferably one that does n't require like five windows to be open , including a random command line window that shuts down the whole program when closed ) the 'Photoshop ' style interface will remain the best option , as well as what is expected.The OSS crowd , forever resistant to external forces of change and well-informed criticism , will likely never make those modifications the standard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the other times this has been brought up here are any indication, the Flossies don't want to imitate Photoshop.Yeah.
That's right.
They don't want to imitate Photoshop, and they'll come up with a million bullshit reasons for that, too.
It's too 'corporate', it's unoriginal, it'd be just as intimidating for users, it'd use more precious system resources, blah-blah-blah.
The minute that you bring this up around a bunch of hardcore OSS (Open Source Sheeple) they'll immediately launch into tirades defending GIMP's inexcusable weaknesses on those grounds, probably while insulting your intelligence and claiming that you're some kind of paid plant.Paid to bother them.
Yeah.The minute that anyone here says, "The interface is fine as it is, if you can't understand it you probably don't get Photoshop either," they instantly lose all of their credentials as a computer user, a software critic, and a human being with functioning eyes.
Nobody cares if it's not original, least of all your users.
Extremely few people will care if decrypting the GUI will make it eat up a couple more megabytes of RAM.
(Though it is a marvelously light program, I'll give it that.
) Anyone who has used any piece of commercial graphic editing software over the past fifteen years will thank you for making it more Photoshop-like, and so will new users that GIMP is just bound to terrify as it is.
Until someone else comes up with an even better interface (preferably one that doesn't require like five windows to be open, including a random command line window that shuts down the whole program when closed) the 'Photoshop' style interface will remain the best option, as well as what is expected.The OSS crowd, forever resistant to external forces of change and well-informed criticism, will likely never make those modifications the standard.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158088</id>
	<title>LINUX dropped from Ubuntu 20.04</title>
	<author>opypod</author>
	<datestamp>1258651680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>we all know that will happen someday<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>we all know that will happen someday ... : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we all know that will happen someday ... :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156206</id>
	<title>G... dropped</title>
	<author>Teun</author>
	<datestamp>1258645740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmm, as an avid KDE user I (logically) first misread the article's head as Gnome dropped.<br>
Now <i>that</i> would improve the user experience.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , as an avid KDE user I ( logically ) first misread the article 's head as Gnome dropped .
Now that would improve the user experience .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, as an avid KDE user I (logically) first misread the article's head as Gnome dropped.
Now that would improve the user experience.
;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158516</id>
	<title>Oh yeah?</title>
	<author>CptPicard</author>
	<datestamp>1258652940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like the distribution of my next clean install is Debian.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like the distribution of my next clean install is Debian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like the distribution of my next clean install is Debian.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157672</id>
	<title>not wrong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258650360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I do not see anything wrong with it. I install ubuntu every now and then, but never use GIMP. If I really need it, I will just apt it. Nothing wrong or hard about this.<br>Many people are trying to install programs that are much much harder compared to GIMP. And honestly, just because GIMP is removed from the install CD,<br>do you really think GTK/GTK+ will slow down or cancel? That is crazy talk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do not see anything wrong with it .
I install ubuntu every now and then , but never use GIMP .
If I really need it , I will just apt it .
Nothing wrong or hard about this.Many people are trying to install programs that are much much harder compared to GIMP .
And honestly , just because GIMP is removed from the install CD,do you really think GTK/GTK + will slow down or cancel ?
That is crazy talk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do not see anything wrong with it.
I install ubuntu every now and then, but never use GIMP.
If I really need it, I will just apt it.
Nothing wrong or hard about this.Many people are trying to install programs that are much much harder compared to GIMP.
And honestly, just because GIMP is removed from the install CD,do you really think GTK/GTK+ will slow down or cancel?
That is crazy talk.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30161786</id>
	<title>Re:The name says what it does</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1258663140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can make acronyms for anything you want that spell whatever you desire. I should know, I'm the one who created the <a href="http://arse.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">Analysis &amp; Reconstruction Sound Engine</a> [sourceforge.net]. Which I did rename once I wanted to put it down on my CV.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can make acronyms for anything you want that spell whatever you desire .
I should know , I 'm the one who created the Analysis &amp; Reconstruction Sound Engine [ sourceforge.net ] .
Which I did rename once I wanted to put it down on my CV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can make acronyms for anything you want that spell whatever you desire.
I should know, I'm the one who created the Analysis &amp; Reconstruction Sound Engine [sourceforge.net].
Which I did rename once I wanted to put it down on my CV.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156110</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>Panzor</author>
	<datestamp>1258645440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't mind the gimp UI as long as it has it's own workspace. Gimp on windows or gimp on a desktop used by someone that doesn't utilize multiple workspaces is...agonizing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't mind the gimp UI as long as it has it 's own workspace .
Gimp on windows or gimp on a desktop used by someone that does n't utilize multiple workspaces is...agonizing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't mind the gimp UI as long as it has it's own workspace.
Gimp on windows or gimp on a desktop used by someone that doesn't utilize multiple workspaces is...agonizing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30155866</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30164366</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>Quantumstate</author>
	<datestamp>1258627980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am personally not bothered either way.  I have hardly used Photoshop so I find it annoying and difficult when I try to use it simply because I am completely unused to the UI.  If your OS has multiple workspaces then multiple windows is no issue at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am personally not bothered either way .
I have hardly used Photoshop so I find it annoying and difficult when I try to use it simply because I am completely unused to the UI .
If your OS has multiple workspaces then multiple windows is no issue at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am personally not bothered either way.
I have hardly used Photoshop so I find it annoying and difficult when I try to use it simply because I am completely unused to the UI.
If your OS has multiple workspaces then multiple windows is no issue at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156152</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158740</id>
	<title>Have dropped Ubuntu alltogether</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258653600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
After being a long time user of Ubuntu, I got so unhappy with the latest Ubuntu release that I dropped it alltogether.

These are the reasons:

- issues with DVD playback
- issues with sound
- issues with video and flashplayers
- issues with network connectivity over wireless

A lot of these things can probably be contributed to the 64 bit version I tried to use when the new release was available in October, but the interesting part is that I had none of these problems in the previous release.

I've had no good solutions to the problems using the support forums, so I dropped Ubunto and installed Windows7 instead.  That installation did no go smoothly either, but after 1 hour with a very nice Microsoft technician the 64 bit version of Windows7 works really great, and I can't believe that it even runs faster than Ubuntu and not issues at all.  It just works.

I really love the "free" Ubuntu, and I have been a Linux user for a long time and a Unix user since 1988.  So it was not an easy decision to go over the fence and use Windows7, but I can't use the latest Ubuntu release for the stuff I would like to use it for at home.</htmltext>
<tokenext>After being a long time user of Ubuntu , I got so unhappy with the latest Ubuntu release that I dropped it alltogether .
These are the reasons : - issues with DVD playback - issues with sound - issues with video and flashplayers - issues with network connectivity over wireless A lot of these things can probably be contributed to the 64 bit version I tried to use when the new release was available in October , but the interesting part is that I had none of these problems in the previous release .
I 've had no good solutions to the problems using the support forums , so I dropped Ubunto and installed Windows7 instead .
That installation did no go smoothly either , but after 1 hour with a very nice Microsoft technician the 64 bit version of Windows7 works really great , and I ca n't believe that it even runs faster than Ubuntu and not issues at all .
It just works .
I really love the " free " Ubuntu , and I have been a Linux user for a long time and a Unix user since 1988 .
So it was not an easy decision to go over the fence and use Windows7 , but I ca n't use the latest Ubuntu release for the stuff I would like to use it for at home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
After being a long time user of Ubuntu, I got so unhappy with the latest Ubuntu release that I dropped it alltogether.
These are the reasons:

- issues with DVD playback
- issues with sound
- issues with video and flashplayers
- issues with network connectivity over wireless

A lot of these things can probably be contributed to the 64 bit version I tried to use when the new release was available in October, but the interesting part is that I had none of these problems in the previous release.
I've had no good solutions to the problems using the support forums, so I dropped Ubunto and installed Windows7 instead.
That installation did no go smoothly either, but after 1 hour with a very nice Microsoft technician the 64 bit version of Windows7 works really great, and I can't believe that it even runs faster than Ubuntu and not issues at all.
It just works.
I really love the "free" Ubuntu, and I have been a Linux user for a long time and a Unix user since 1988.
So it was not an easy decision to go over the fence and use Windows7, but I can't use the latest Ubuntu release for the stuff I would like to use it for at home.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157696</id>
	<title>Re:They've got this one backwards.</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1258650420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I've been using Adobe and Corel paint/photoediting programs for 15 years now and, let me tell you, that knowledge does not necessarily translate to Gimp.</i></p><p>That's your problem.  You're entrenched in your ways.  It's not that the GIMP is bad, it's just not photoshop.  It doesn't need to be. Personally, I think virtual desktops and right click context menus are the best things to happen to the GUI in 15 years.  The GIMP makes great use of them, and I like that.</p><p>That's not to say that there's not places that the GIMP falls short.  The lack of CMYK support by default makes it unsuitable for print production for instance.  That's a valid criticism.  Whining about the GUI tells us more about your limitations than those of the GIMP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using Adobe and Corel paint/photoediting programs for 15 years now and , let me tell you , that knowledge does not necessarily translate to Gimp.That 's your problem .
You 're entrenched in your ways .
It 's not that the GIMP is bad , it 's just not photoshop .
It does n't need to be .
Personally , I think virtual desktops and right click context menus are the best things to happen to the GUI in 15 years .
The GIMP makes great use of them , and I like that.That 's not to say that there 's not places that the GIMP falls short .
The lack of CMYK support by default makes it unsuitable for print production for instance .
That 's a valid criticism .
Whining about the GUI tells us more about your limitations than those of the GIMP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using Adobe and Corel paint/photoediting programs for 15 years now and, let me tell you, that knowledge does not necessarily translate to Gimp.That's your problem.
You're entrenched in your ways.
It's not that the GIMP is bad, it's just not photoshop.
It doesn't need to be.
Personally, I think virtual desktops and right click context menus are the best things to happen to the GUI in 15 years.
The GIMP makes great use of them, and I like that.That's not to say that there's not places that the GIMP falls short.
The lack of CMYK support by default makes it unsuitable for print production for instance.
That's a valid criticism.
Whining about the GUI tells us more about your limitations than those of the GIMP.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156372</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156936</id>
	<title>mingetty</title>
	<author>jolyonr</author>
	<datestamp>1258648320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whilst on the subject of names, i always wondered what that minge tty thing was</p><p><a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=minge" title="urbandictionary.com">http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=minge</a> [urbandictionary.com] (if you're from outside the UK)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whilst on the subject of names , i always wondered what that minge tty thing washttp : //www.urbandictionary.com/define.php ? term = minge [ urbandictionary.com ] ( if you 're from outside the UK )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whilst on the subject of names, i always wondered what that minge tty thing washttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=minge [urbandictionary.com] (if you're from outside the UK)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30155896</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160254</id>
	<title>Mono encroachment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258658160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks to me like they replaced a C language application that uses GTK+ with some patent encumbered crap that uses Mono.</p><p>There have been alegations that the Mono supporters have inflltrated Canonical and are censoring the anti-Mono contingent and are busy supplanting anybody who disagrees with some Microsoft shills.</p><p>JMHO</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks to me like they replaced a C language application that uses GTK + with some patent encumbered crap that uses Mono.There have been alegations that the Mono supporters have inflltrated Canonical and are censoring the anti-Mono contingent and are busy supplanting anybody who disagrees with some Microsoft shills.JMHO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks to me like they replaced a C language application that uses GTK+ with some patent encumbered crap that uses Mono.There have been alegations that the Mono supporters have inflltrated Canonical and are censoring the anti-Mono contingent and are busy supplanting anybody who disagrees with some Microsoft shills.JMHO</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157704</id>
	<title>They actually have a point (in my oppinion)</title>
	<author>santax</author>
	<datestamp>1258650480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure, the Gimp is nice if you can't afford Photoshop. But I think of myself as someone who does a bit more than your average user when it comes to designing and especially modification of photo's. The Gimp has it's own right to be alive, but they should have copied CS interface. Come on, who of you actually can draw such a simple thing as a straight line in the Gimp? I can, after I googled it... Once you know it, it's simple. But it isn't simple to get to know. Not at all. That's what killing Gimp. Sure you can have that PS gui that has been created for Gimp 1.3 but still it doesn't forfill the need for basic users who want an icon to draw straight lines and it sure as hell can't compete with CS on any level. *But you can write your own perl scripts for it* - I'm an artist, I pay people who write decent plugins for me. The best of those are within Photoshop. Fact.

So I applaud this. The people who need the possibilities of The Gimp will just apt-get it and the people who don't need will never ever mis it. Smart move, keeping in mind what Ubuntu stands for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , the Gimp is nice if you ca n't afford Photoshop .
But I think of myself as someone who does a bit more than your average user when it comes to designing and especially modification of photo 's .
The Gimp has it 's own right to be alive , but they should have copied CS interface .
Come on , who of you actually can draw such a simple thing as a straight line in the Gimp ?
I can , after I googled it... Once you know it , it 's simple .
But it is n't simple to get to know .
Not at all .
That 's what killing Gimp .
Sure you can have that PS gui that has been created for Gimp 1.3 but still it does n't forfill the need for basic users who want an icon to draw straight lines and it sure as hell ca n't compete with CS on any level .
* But you can write your own perl scripts for it * - I 'm an artist , I pay people who write decent plugins for me .
The best of those are within Photoshop .
Fact . So I applaud this .
The people who need the possibilities of The Gimp will just apt-get it and the people who do n't need will never ever mis it .
Smart move , keeping in mind what Ubuntu stands for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, the Gimp is nice if you can't afford Photoshop.
But I think of myself as someone who does a bit more than your average user when it comes to designing and especially modification of photo's.
The Gimp has it's own right to be alive, but they should have copied CS interface.
Come on, who of you actually can draw such a simple thing as a straight line in the Gimp?
I can, after I googled it... Once you know it, it's simple.
But it isn't simple to get to know.
Not at all.
That's what killing Gimp.
Sure you can have that PS gui that has been created for Gimp 1.3 but still it doesn't forfill the need for basic users who want an icon to draw straight lines and it sure as hell can't compete with CS on any level.
*But you can write your own perl scripts for it* - I'm an artist, I pay people who write decent plugins for me.
The best of those are within Photoshop.
Fact.

So I applaud this.
The people who need the possibilities of The Gimp will just apt-get it and the people who don't need will never ever mis it.
Smart move, keeping in mind what Ubuntu stands for.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157728</id>
	<title>Re:name change. I think they should name it</title>
	<author>miknix</author>
	<datestamp>1258650540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GIMP Is Not Photoshop.</p><p>oh wait..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GIMP Is Not Photoshop.oh wait. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GIMP Is Not Photoshop.oh wait..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30155896</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156068</id>
	<title>What is F Spot?</title>
	<author>Sporkinum</author>
	<datestamp>1258645320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I looked in the repository for kubuntu 9.10 and didn't find anything with that name. What is it and where is it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I looked in the repository for kubuntu 9.10 and did n't find anything with that name .
What is it and where is it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I looked in the repository for kubuntu 9.10 and didn't find anything with that name.
What is it and where is it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156460</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>ISurfTooMuch</author>
	<datestamp>1258646760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not meaning to be politically correct, but do you know what a gimp is?  Do you not realize how insulting that term can be?</p><p>It's all about marketing.  You don't want to have to defend a name to someone before they even consider adopting a product.  If your audience is limited and specialized, that's one thing, but if you want to appeal to a wider group, you have to be aware of these things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not meaning to be politically correct , but do you know what a gimp is ?
Do you not realize how insulting that term can be ? It 's all about marketing .
You do n't want to have to defend a name to someone before they even consider adopting a product .
If your audience is limited and specialized , that 's one thing , but if you want to appeal to a wider group , you have to be aware of these things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not meaning to be politically correct, but do you know what a gimp is?
Do you not realize how insulting that term can be?It's all about marketing.
You don't want to have to defend a name to someone before they even consider adopting a product.
If your audience is limited and specialized, that's one thing, but if you want to appeal to a wider group, you have to be aware of these things.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158770</id>
	<title>And So It Goes . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258653660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Saying that apt-get is too complicated for the average user, devs say that the next version of Ubuntu will use MSI running with WINE..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Saying that apt-get is too complicated for the average user , devs say that the next version of Ubuntu will use MSI running with WINE. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Saying that apt-get is too complicated for the average user, devs say that the next version of Ubuntu will use MSI running with WINE..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160092</id>
	<title>Re:Yay.</title>
	<author>jim\_v2000</author>
	<datestamp>1258657740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because you could never install the GIMP if it didn't come with the OS.  OH NOES!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because you could never install the GIMP if it did n't come with the OS .
OH NOES !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because you could never install the GIMP if it didn't come with the OS.
OH NOES!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156664</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156854</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>websitebroke</author>
	<datestamp>1258648080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm by no means a Photoshop power user, but I can get around in it and use it just fine. Personally, I'm much more comfortable in GIMP's UI setup at the moment.</p><p>For example, the single window paradigm doesn't take advantage of Compiz's present windows feature. With my current KDE setup, I mouse to the lower right corner of the screen and it lays out all the windows in the workspace. Click on one, and off you go. With Photoshop, You have to sift through the windows manually.</p><p>Honestly, I'm thinking it's just what you're used to using that makes you like one or the other, and it looks like GIMP will be giving us a choice between single and multi window in the near future. The single window mockups look rather good, and more usable than Photoshop in my opinion.</p><p>Honestly, I think what GIMP really needs is 16 bits/channel image support (WTF guys?), adjustment layers, etc. That's what still keeps me opening up Photoshop, not the UI.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm by no means a Photoshop power user , but I can get around in it and use it just fine .
Personally , I 'm much more comfortable in GIMP 's UI setup at the moment.For example , the single window paradigm does n't take advantage of Compiz 's present windows feature .
With my current KDE setup , I mouse to the lower right corner of the screen and it lays out all the windows in the workspace .
Click on one , and off you go .
With Photoshop , You have to sift through the windows manually.Honestly , I 'm thinking it 's just what you 're used to using that makes you like one or the other , and it looks like GIMP will be giving us a choice between single and multi window in the near future .
The single window mockups look rather good , and more usable than Photoshop in my opinion.Honestly , I think what GIMP really needs is 16 bits/channel image support ( WTF guys ?
) , adjustment layers , etc .
That 's what still keeps me opening up Photoshop , not the UI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm by no means a Photoshop power user, but I can get around in it and use it just fine.
Personally, I'm much more comfortable in GIMP's UI setup at the moment.For example, the single window paradigm doesn't take advantage of Compiz's present windows feature.
With my current KDE setup, I mouse to the lower right corner of the screen and it lays out all the windows in the workspace.
Click on one, and off you go.
With Photoshop, You have to sift through the windows manually.Honestly, I'm thinking it's just what you're used to using that makes you like one or the other, and it looks like GIMP will be giving us a choice between single and multi window in the near future.
The single window mockups look rather good, and more usable than Photoshop in my opinion.Honestly, I think what GIMP really needs is 16 bits/channel image support (WTF guys?
), adjustment layers, etc.
That's what still keeps me opening up Photoshop, not the UI.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156152</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30171120</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1258732740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The upside would be that I would be able to talk about it seriously one of my classes without having to worry about the student in the wheelchair coming up afterward and punching me in the balls.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The upside would be that I would be able to talk about it seriously one of my classes without having to worry about the student in the wheelchair coming up afterward and punching me in the balls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The upside would be that I would be able to talk about it seriously one of my classes without having to worry about the student in the wheelchair coming up afterward and punching me in the balls.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30161106</id>
	<title>Re:They've got this one backwards.</title>
	<author>kcfoxie</author>
	<datestamp>1258660980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Funny, I cam from Photoshop 7 (yeah old) and I never had a problem figuring it out. Talent transcends tools.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , I cam from Photoshop 7 ( yeah old ) and I never had a problem figuring it out .
Talent transcends tools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, I cam from Photoshop 7 (yeah old) and I never had a problem figuring it out.
Talent transcends tools.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156372</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30163520</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1258625580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The upside would be having a software program whose name is not a pejorative term in the English language.</i></p><p>The upside is that you wouldn't encounter as much resistance getting your boss to permit the installation of GNU Image as you would GIMP. It sounds more professional so you sound more professional. I do not want to be mentally associated with the word GIMP when my boss is doing my review.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The upside would be having a software program whose name is not a pejorative term in the English language.The upside is that you would n't encounter as much resistance getting your boss to permit the installation of GNU Image as you would GIMP .
It sounds more professional so you sound more professional .
I do not want to be mentally associated with the word GIMP when my boss is doing my review .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The upside would be having a software program whose name is not a pejorative term in the English language.The upside is that you wouldn't encounter as much resistance getting your boss to permit the installation of GNU Image as you would GIMP.
It sounds more professional so you sound more professional.
I do not want to be mentally associated with the word GIMP when my boss is doing my review.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156764</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156152</id>
	<title>Re:Yep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258645560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not sure about being yelled at by the fanboys, but I don't think I've seen a single GIMP user, no matter how happy with GIMP, that doesn't want a Photoshop UI.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure about being yelled at by the fanboys , but I do n't think I 've seen a single GIMP user , no matter how happy with GIMP , that does n't want a Photoshop UI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure about being yelled at by the fanboys, but I don't think I've seen a single GIMP user, no matter how happy with GIMP, that doesn't want a Photoshop UI.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158554</id>
	<title>Which is it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258653060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Gimp is dead! Long live The Gimp!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Gimp is dead !
Long live The Gimp !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Gimp is dead!
Long live The Gimp!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30169046</id>
	<title>Re:Why I Quit GIMP After 2 Minutes</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1258710540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is not that alone, read Grogging the Gimp, also the way the layers and channels  system works is highly redundant often doing the same from different angles, even the book acknowles that some parts of the system are simply<br>old parts they did not drop after they introduced proper layers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is not that alone , read Grogging the Gimp , also the way the layers and channels system works is highly redundant often doing the same from different angles , even the book acknowles that some parts of the system are simplyold parts they did not drop after they introduced proper layers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is not that alone, read Grogging the Gimp, also the way the layers and channels  system works is highly redundant often doing the same from different angles, even the book acknowles that some parts of the system are simplyold parts they did not drop after they introduced proper layers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30163166</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157054</id>
	<title>This is killing Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258648680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This removing of valuable programs and switching to poisoned M$ crap, is killing Linux.<br>M$ must be loving this. Mono was meant to wreck Linux. GNU/Linux distro's should remove all F-Spot and mono crap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This removing of valuable programs and switching to poisoned M $ crap , is killing Linux.M $ must be loving this .
Mono was meant to wreck Linux .
GNU/Linux distro 's should remove all F-Spot and mono crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This removing of valuable programs and switching to poisoned M$ crap, is killing Linux.M$ must be loving this.
Mono was meant to wreck Linux.
GNU/Linux distro's should remove all F-Spot and mono crap.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30156940</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258648320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why should they? What's the problem with the name GIMP?</p><p>You don't even mention any reason.</p><p>It's just a name. And one as good as many. What does it matter it does not have "photo" or something in it?</p><p>How about Safari or Firefox for a web browser? Eudora for a e-mail client? The old Ventura for layout and publishing? Acrobat rings the "PDF reader" bell, right? And let's not forget that Excel or Lotus just scream "It's a spreadsheet!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why should they ?
What 's the problem with the name GIMP ? You do n't even mention any reason.It 's just a name .
And one as good as many .
What does it matter it does not have " photo " or something in it ? How about Safari or Firefox for a web browser ?
Eudora for a e-mail client ?
The old Ventura for layout and publishing ?
Acrobat rings the " PDF reader " bell , right ?
And let 's not forget that Excel or Lotus just scream " It 's a spreadsheet !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why should they?
What's the problem with the name GIMP?You don't even mention any reason.It's just a name.
And one as good as many.
What does it matter it does not have "photo" or something in it?How about Safari or Firefox for a web browser?
Eudora for a e-mail client?
The old Ventura for layout and publishing?
Acrobat rings the "PDF reader" bell, right?
And let's not forget that Excel or Lotus just scream "It's a spreadsheet!
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30158454</id>
	<title>Re:name change</title>
	<author>godrik</author>
	<datestamp>1258652760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i didnot got it at first. then I "$ dict gimp" and now I understand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i didnot got it at first .
then I " $ dict gimp " and now I understand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i didnot got it at first.
then I "$ dict gimp" and now I understand.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30159608</id>
	<title>IE also has a sound</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1258656420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It is worse, because it's an acronym.</p></div><p>Which "it"? When you pronounce the initials "IE", you get "Aieee!" which is the sound of a web developer trying to make a site work around <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Acid3\_ie6.png" title="wikimedia.org">IE 6's 12\% support for JavaScript</a> [wikimedia.org].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is worse , because it 's an acronym.Which " it " ?
When you pronounce the initials " IE " , you get " Aieee !
" which is the sound of a web developer trying to make a site work around IE 6 's 12 \ % support for JavaScript [ wikimedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is worse, because it's an acronym.Which "it"?
When you pronounce the initials "IE", you get "Aieee!
" which is the sound of a web developer trying to make a site work around IE 6's 12\% support for JavaScript [wikimedia.org].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157230</id>
	<title>Just remove gcc too, it's too complex anyway</title>
	<author>cpghost</author>
	<datestamp>1258649100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This reminds me of SUN's incredibly silly decision to remove their C compiler from SunOS when they shipped Solaris, so that one had to jump through hoops just to find a suitable gcc binary because you couldn't bootstrap gcc without a compiler. Sure, GIMP is not so crucial, but still...</htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me of SUN 's incredibly silly decision to remove their C compiler from SunOS when they shipped Solaris , so that one had to jump through hoops just to find a suitable gcc binary because you could n't bootstrap gcc without a compiler .
Sure , GIMP is not so crucial , but still.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me of SUN's incredibly silly decision to remove their C compiler from SunOS when they shipped Solaris, so that one had to jump through hoops just to find a suitable gcc binary because you couldn't bootstrap gcc without a compiler.
Sure, GIMP is not so crucial, but still...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30170994</id>
	<title>Re:The name says what it does</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1258732140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's like when my bosses at work complained about my "Retention/Evaluation of Timely Archived Relevant Data" program acronym. I don't get it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like when my bosses at work complained about my " Retention/Evaluation of Timely Archived Relevant Data " program acronym .
I do n't get it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's like when my bosses at work complained about my "Retention/Evaluation of Timely Archived Relevant Data" program acronym.
I don't get it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30159502</id>
	<title>Gimp 2.8</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258656060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...but I though Gimp 2.8 was going to have a unified interface!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...but I though Gimp 2.8 was going to have a unified interface !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...but I though Gimp 2.8 was going to have a unified interface!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30160588</id>
	<title>No it isn't a plate.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258659240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn, between the new "Drop Trow" secure Fedora and Umbootooss "Don't scare the children" safe linuks{1} distro - where do I go for the "not stupid" distro?</p><p>WTF - where did that marketing department get started - quick, kill it before we all have jello for brains - mmmmm beeeer</p><p>{1} x is just such an aggresive letter, it's like cross and all - we should leave it alone to think abot issues &amp; stuff</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn , between the new " Drop Trow " secure Fedora and Umbootooss " Do n't scare the children " safe linuks { 1 } distro - where do I go for the " not stupid " distro ? WTF - where did that marketing department get started - quick , kill it before we all have jello for brains - mmmmm beeeer { 1 } x is just such an aggresive letter , it 's like cross and all - we should leave it alone to think abot issues &amp; stuff</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn, between the new "Drop Trow" secure Fedora and Umbootooss "Don't scare the children" safe linuks{1} distro - where do I go for the "not stupid" distro?WTF - where did that marketing department get started - quick, kill it before we all have jello for brains - mmmmm beeeer{1} x is just such an aggresive letter, it's like cross and all - we should leave it alone to think abot issues &amp; stuff</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_19_1342230.30157078</id>
	<title>So they think users like F-Spot?</title>
	<author>kungfuj35u5</author>
	<datestamp>1258648740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IMHO F-Spot is absolutely garbage, and not because it's written in C# and requires mono libraries.  It's absolute garbage because last I tried it (in 9.04) it would not even think of the option of renaming files on an import if there was a filename conflict between what's on your card/import source and what's already in your album.  How often do cameras name pictures the same thing after you've reformatted the card?  Or how often do you use different cameras which use the same naming conventions?  The lackluster features in f-spot on top of it's inability to manage your tags easily make it garbage.  It also has severe instability.  If you ask me, digikam serves a much better purpose than F-spot ever did.  If they can sacrifice the 100 or so MB for the QT libraries and throw digikam on there, they ought to (and ditch mono+f-spot while they're at it).  For anything that digikam cannot do, I use GIMP on my Ubuntu machines.</htmltext>
<tokenext>IMHO F-Spot is absolutely garbage , and not because it 's written in C # and requires mono libraries .
It 's absolute garbage because last I tried it ( in 9.04 ) it would not even think of the option of renaming files on an import if there was a filename conflict between what 's on your card/import source and what 's already in your album .
How often do cameras name pictures the same thing after you 've reformatted the card ?
Or how often do you use different cameras which use the same naming conventions ?
The lackluster features in f-spot on top of it 's inability to manage your tags easily make it garbage .
It also has severe instability .
If you ask me , digikam serves a much better purpose than F-spot ever did .
If they can sacrifice the 100 or so MB for the QT libraries and throw digikam on there , they ought to ( and ditch mono + f-spot while they 're at it ) .
For anything that digikam can not do , I use GIMP on my Ubuntu machines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMHO F-Spot is absolutely garbage, and not because it's written in C# and requires mono libraries.
It's absolute garbage because last I tried it (in 9.04) it would not even think of the option of renaming files on an import if there was a filename conflict between what's on your card/import source and what's already in your album.
How often do cameras name pictures the same thing after you've reformatted the card?
Or how often do you use different cameras which use the same naming conventions?
The lackluster features in f-spot on top of it's inability to manage your tags easily make it garbage.
It also has severe instability.
If you ask me, digikam serves a much better purpose than F-spot ever did.
If they can sacrifice the 100 or so MB for the QT libraries and throw digikam on there, they ought to (and ditch mono+f-spot while they're at it).
For anything that digikam cannot do, I use GIMP on my Ubuntu machines.</sentencetext>
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