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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_16_189255</id>
	<title>Become Your Own Heir After Being Frozen<span class="vballoon-marquee rd\_5"><span>Comments:</span><a href="#">375</a></span></title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1258394100000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>destinyland writes <i>"A science writer discovered it's possible to finance your cryogenic preservation using life insurance &mdash; and then <a href="http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/forever-young/wake-cryonics">leave a huge death benefit to your future thawed self</a>. From the article, 'Most in the middle class, if they seriously want it, can afford it now. So by taking the right steps, you can look forward to waking up one bright future morning from cryopreservation the proud owner of a bank account brimming with money!' There's one important caveat: some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>destinyland writes " A science writer discovered it 's possible to finance your cryogenic preservation using life insurance    and then leave a huge death benefit to your future thawed self .
From the article , 'Most in the middle class , if they seriously want it , can afford it now .
So by taking the right steps , you can look forward to waking up one bright future morning from cryopreservation the proud owner of a bank account brimming with money !
' There 's one important caveat : some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>destinyland writes "A science writer discovered it's possible to finance your cryogenic preservation using life insurance — and then leave a huge death benefit to your future thawed self.
From the article, 'Most in the middle class, if they seriously want it, can afford it now.
So by taking the right steps, you can look forward to waking up one bright future morning from cryopreservation the proud owner of a bank account brimming with money!
' There's one important caveat: some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126482</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1258400940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are indeed dead enough to qualify for a payout, then you are presumably too dead to be considered a survivor.</p><p>Kinda like trying to let your unborn child inherit your fortune.</p><p>1)  Dead and unable to claim inheritance because of not being a survivor<br>2)  Alive and unable to trigger a payout</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are indeed dead enough to qualify for a payout , then you are presumably too dead to be considered a survivor.Kinda like trying to let your unborn child inherit your fortune.1 ) Dead and unable to claim inheritance because of not being a survivor2 ) Alive and unable to trigger a payout</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are indeed dead enough to qualify for a payout, then you are presumably too dead to be considered a survivor.Kinda like trying to let your unborn child inherit your fortune.1)  Dead and unable to claim inheritance because of not being a survivor2)  Alive and unable to trigger a payout</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127376</id>
	<title>Why would one want to come back?</title>
	<author>Pessimist+Cynic</author>
	<datestamp>1258458060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't understand what people think is so awesome about living that would make them want to come back from death for more.<br>
Sure sex is fun, learning is fun, etc. But it's pretty much the same thing over and over and over and over again.<br>
It's incredibly boring and pointless and it will continue to be so whenif people are revived.<br>
I won't freeze myself when I die so I don't risk getting revived anytime soon, but being a materialist I can only hope that whenif people have the technology to build every possible brain (that has or will have lived) by recombining atoms in all possible permutations (or maybe inside a simulation), that they never get to revive me either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand what people think is so awesome about living that would make them want to come back from death for more .
Sure sex is fun , learning is fun , etc .
But it 's pretty much the same thing over and over and over and over again .
It 's incredibly boring and pointless and it will continue to be so whenif people are revived .
I wo n't freeze myself when I die so I do n't risk getting revived anytime soon , but being a materialist I can only hope that whenif people have the technology to build every possible brain ( that has or will have lived ) by recombining atoms in all possible permutations ( or maybe inside a simulation ) , that they never get to revive me either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand what people think is so awesome about living that would make them want to come back from death for more.
Sure sex is fun, learning is fun, etc.
But it's pretty much the same thing over and over and over and over again.
It's incredibly boring and pointless and it will continue to be so whenif people are revived.
I won't freeze myself when I die so I don't risk getting revived anytime soon, but being a materialist I can only hope that whenif people have the technology to build every possible brain (that has or will have lived) by recombining atoms in all possible permutations (or maybe inside a simulation), that they never get to revive me either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30138200</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1258467600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What "risk"? If you're dead, it's all meanigless anyway, so you might just as well give yourself the funds for the slight possibility of being revived (and invested in a way that helps keep the world running smoothly)</p><p>As for more failure-proof way: I'd say procreating like rabbit with as many woman as possible beats your suggestion of creating a clone...he will also die one day. Yeah, children won't be as close in temperament/etc. as your clone might <i>possibly</i> be, but...</p><p>a) at least your DNA will be more succesfull</p><p>b) IMHO that doesn't matter much anymore:</p><p>The urge of preserving our thoughts in offspring is a relict of past times when your close relatives were practically the <i>only</i> people that would "carry on" your ideas, experiences, etc. But now we can be much more far reaching in our cultural influence if we so desire (and are able). And it's disconnected from the success of our DNA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What " risk " ?
If you 're dead , it 's all meanigless anyway , so you might just as well give yourself the funds for the slight possibility of being revived ( and invested in a way that helps keep the world running smoothly ) As for more failure-proof way : I 'd say procreating like rabbit with as many woman as possible beats your suggestion of creating a clone...he will also die one day .
Yeah , children wo n't be as close in temperament/etc .
as your clone might possibly be , but...a ) at least your DNA will be more succesfullb ) IMHO that does n't matter much anymore : The urge of preserving our thoughts in offspring is a relict of past times when your close relatives were practically the only people that would " carry on " your ideas , experiences , etc .
But now we can be much more far reaching in our cultural influence if we so desire ( and are able ) .
And it 's disconnected from the success of our DNA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What "risk"?
If you're dead, it's all meanigless anyway, so you might just as well give yourself the funds for the slight possibility of being revived (and invested in a way that helps keep the world running smoothly)As for more failure-proof way: I'd say procreating like rabbit with as many woman as possible beats your suggestion of creating a clone...he will also die one day.
Yeah, children won't be as close in temperament/etc.
as your clone might possibly be, but...a) at least your DNA will be more succesfullb) IMHO that doesn't matter much anymore:The urge of preserving our thoughts in offspring is a relict of past times when your close relatives were practically the only people that would "carry on" your ideas, experiences, etc.
But now we can be much more far reaching in our cultural influence if we so desire (and are able).
And it's disconnected from the success of our DNA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30140734</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1257107040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*facepalm*. If you want something that looks like a woman and fucks like a woman, get your own crack whore. When you don't want to see her anymore just stop giving her crack/crack money.

</p><p> <i>This is why a male sex robot is fairly useless</i> </p><p>Yeah, hence all the vibrators and dildos. Also, fuckingmachines. Doesn't look anything like a man but when it comes to sex with not a person then all women care about is mechanical action, not looks.

</p><p> <i>the tables will likely be turned, and in a big way</i> </p><p>Huh, how??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* facepalm * .
If you want something that looks like a woman and fucks like a woman , get your own crack whore .
When you do n't want to see her anymore just stop giving her crack/crack money .
This is why a male sex robot is fairly useless Yeah , hence all the vibrators and dildos .
Also , fuckingmachines .
Does n't look anything like a man but when it comes to sex with not a person then all women care about is mechanical action , not looks .
the tables will likely be turned , and in a big way Huh , how ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*facepalm*.
If you want something that looks like a woman and fucks like a woman, get your own crack whore.
When you don't want to see her anymore just stop giving her crack/crack money.
This is why a male sex robot is fairly useless Yeah, hence all the vibrators and dildos.
Also, fuckingmachines.
Doesn't look anything like a man but when it comes to sex with not a person then all women care about is mechanical action, not looks.
the tables will likely be turned, and in a big way Huh, how?
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127826</id>
	<title>abundance</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1258465680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There's one important caveat: some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance.'</p></div><p>Which is obviously such a bad thing that you are better here with a few bucks in a world of scarcity...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's one important caveat : some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance .
'Which is obviously such a bad thing that you are better here with a few bucks in a world of scarcity.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's one important caveat: some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance.
'Which is obviously such a bad thing that you are better here with a few bucks in a world of scarcity...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30137640</id>
	<title>Re:Key legal obstacle</title>
	<author>owlicks58</author>
	<datestamp>1258463820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just to keep up my reputation as an anal law person, I have one slight correction.  The Rule Against Perpetuities invalidates future interests that do not vest within 21 years of the death of the last identifiable LIFE IN BEING at the time the interest was created.  Thus, it's not necessarily measured by the life of the creator, but could be measured (and likely would be) by the life of a beneficiary, making it possible for the interest to potentially reach across multiple generations.  Fun fact: In my home state of Washington, the Rule Against Perpetuities does not come into effect until 150 years after the instrument is created.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to keep up my reputation as an anal law person , I have one slight correction .
The Rule Against Perpetuities invalidates future interests that do not vest within 21 years of the death of the last identifiable LIFE IN BEING at the time the interest was created .
Thus , it 's not necessarily measured by the life of the creator , but could be measured ( and likely would be ) by the life of a beneficiary , making it possible for the interest to potentially reach across multiple generations .
Fun fact : In my home state of Washington , the Rule Against Perpetuities does not come into effect until 150 years after the instrument is created .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to keep up my reputation as an anal law person, I have one slight correction.
The Rule Against Perpetuities invalidates future interests that do not vest within 21 years of the death of the last identifiable LIFE IN BEING at the time the interest was created.
Thus, it's not necessarily measured by the life of the creator, but could be measured (and likely would be) by the life of a beneficiary, making it possible for the interest to potentially reach across multiple generations.
Fun fact: In my home state of Washington, the Rule Against Perpetuities does not come into effect until 150 years after the instrument is created.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30130510</id>
	<title>Emulation (Re:Completely impossible, reviving aft</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1258480500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> Freezing essentially explodes the cell walls so there's nothing to revive.</p></div> </blockquote><p>A more viable possibility is scanning the frozen brain with a microscopic scanner of some kind and then recreating its function as a virtual <b>emulation</b>. If Moores Law even halves, the computer power for such will be around several decades from now. Hopefully freezing doesn't do enough damage to the memories themselves such that they cannot be re-constructed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Freezing essentially explodes the cell walls so there 's nothing to revive .
A more viable possibility is scanning the frozen brain with a microscopic scanner of some kind and then recreating its function as a virtual emulation .
If Moores Law even halves , the computer power for such will be around several decades from now .
Hopefully freezing does n't do enough damage to the memories themselves such that they can not be re-constructed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Freezing essentially explodes the cell walls so there's nothing to revive.
A more viable possibility is scanning the frozen brain with a microscopic scanner of some kind and then recreating its function as a virtual emulation.
If Moores Law even halves, the computer power for such will be around several decades from now.
Hopefully freezing doesn't do enough damage to the memories themselves such that they cannot be re-constructed.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30130964</id>
	<title>Why would anyone bother resurrecting you?</title>
	<author>TermV</author>
	<datestamp>1258482540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What incentive is there for anyone to actually revive some dead person in say 100 years, except perhaps for novelty or science? Does anyone feel such a void left by their great-great grandparents that they feel compelled to resurrect them?  Let's face it, we're all just average people. We might think that we're all wonderful, smart and special but in reality we're not sufficient outliers in society to the point where anyone's going to care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What incentive is there for anyone to actually revive some dead person in say 100 years , except perhaps for novelty or science ?
Does anyone feel such a void left by their great-great grandparents that they feel compelled to resurrect them ?
Let 's face it , we 're all just average people .
We might think that we 're all wonderful , smart and special but in reality we 're not sufficient outliers in society to the point where anyone 's going to care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What incentive is there for anyone to actually revive some dead person in say 100 years, except perhaps for novelty or science?
Does anyone feel such a void left by their great-great grandparents that they feel compelled to resurrect them?
Let's face it, we're all just average people.
We might think that we're all wonderful, smart and special but in reality we're not sufficient outliers in society to the point where anyone's going to care.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126684</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258490040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maybe the insurance companies can sue you if you come back to life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe the insurance companies can sue you if you come back to life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe the insurance companies can sue you if you come back to life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126260</id>
	<title>Haha</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258398420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More likely the criminals running the "deep freeze" will run off with your money and leave you to thaw out and rot in a mini-storage unit when all the LN2 in your dewer escapes.</p><p>They need to think about taking these people and placing them deep in a glacier or something, then maybe you have a chance of lasting for a while.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More likely the criminals running the " deep freeze " will run off with your money and leave you to thaw out and rot in a mini-storage unit when all the LN2 in your dewer escapes.They need to think about taking these people and placing them deep in a glacier or something , then maybe you have a chance of lasting for a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More likely the criminals running the "deep freeze" will run off with your money and leave you to thaw out and rot in a mini-storage unit when all the LN2 in your dewer escapes.They need to think about taking these people and placing them deep in a glacier or something, then maybe you have a chance of lasting for a while.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126850</id>
	<title>Thank you</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1258449300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But I discovered a cheaper way to achieve similar if not better results, there is a thing called sex.<br>My heir currently fills his diapers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But I discovered a cheaper way to achieve similar if not better results , there is a thing called sex.My heir currently fills his diapers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I discovered a cheaper way to achieve similar if not better results, there is a thing called sex.My heir currently fills his diapers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30129108</id>
	<title>Who modded THIS insightful?</title>
	<author>pavon</author>
	<datestamp>1258474500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Non-profit just means that you don't allow shareholders. That means it is harder to raise capital to expand your business, but it also means that you don't owe any of your revenue to shareholders. There is no "profit" because you feed all the earnings back into the company expenses which included salaries, bonuses, and whatever else the people running the non-profit think they deserve. And on top of this you don't pay any taxes.</p><p>Non-profit corporations are fine structures for running scams, in addition to being good for legitimate charities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Non-profit just means that you do n't allow shareholders .
That means it is harder to raise capital to expand your business , but it also means that you do n't owe any of your revenue to shareholders .
There is no " profit " because you feed all the earnings back into the company expenses which included salaries , bonuses , and whatever else the people running the non-profit think they deserve .
And on top of this you do n't pay any taxes.Non-profit corporations are fine structures for running scams , in addition to being good for legitimate charities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Non-profit just means that you don't allow shareholders.
That means it is harder to raise capital to expand your business, but it also means that you don't owe any of your revenue to shareholders.
There is no "profit" because you feed all the earnings back into the company expenses which included salaries, bonuses, and whatever else the people running the non-profit think they deserve.
And on top of this you don't pay any taxes.Non-profit corporations are fine structures for running scams, in addition to being good for legitimate charities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126602</id>
	<title>Hi</title>
	<author>thoughtspace</author>
	<datestamp>1258488960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Walt Disney here, where's my money?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Walt Disney here , where 's my money ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Walt Disney here, where's my money?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126704</id>
	<title>Re:Money rusts</title>
	<author>Eivind</author>
	<datestamp>1258490400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> That's not actually true. First, money that is -invested- is generally used to buy something of value, typically something like land, commodities or fractions of companies (i.e. stock)</p><p>Second, wise investment means diversification. Certainly, some of the things you buy, will become worthless, but that's acceptable if you invest in a wide selection of different things.</p><p>A diversified portfolio only becomes worth zero if EVERY one of the items invested in, simultaneously drop to zero value.</p><p>I can't see that happening other than either if a global despotic government nationalizes all value, or if humanity stop being physical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not actually true .
First , money that is -invested- is generally used to buy something of value , typically something like land , commodities or fractions of companies ( i.e .
stock ) Second , wise investment means diversification .
Certainly , some of the things you buy , will become worthless , but that 's acceptable if you invest in a wide selection of different things.A diversified portfolio only becomes worth zero if EVERY one of the items invested in , simultaneously drop to zero value.I ca n't see that happening other than either if a global despotic government nationalizes all value , or if humanity stop being physical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> That's not actually true.
First, money that is -invested- is generally used to buy something of value, typically something like land, commodities or fractions of companies (i.e.
stock)Second, wise investment means diversification.
Certainly, some of the things you buy, will become worthless, but that's acceptable if you invest in a wide selection of different things.A diversified portfolio only becomes worth zero if EVERY one of the items invested in, simultaneously drop to zero value.I can't see that happening other than either if a global despotic government nationalizes all value, or if humanity stop being physical.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126204</id>
	<title>You're playing their game</title>
	<author>Raindance</author>
	<datestamp>1258397760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given the assumption that cryogenic revival will be possible, this may work in principle-- but the insurance industry doesn't exactly function on immutable code-like rules that can be hacked for fun and profit.</p><p>It's much more a game-- and moreover, the game is owned by the insurance industry. You're just playing it. And if you figure out a particularly good trick to beat the house, they're either going to rationalize why certain technicalities mean they don't need to pay you (and thus 'easy money' becomes 'try to drag deep-pocketed defendants into court'), or they'll simply change the rules before you're revived, and you won't have been able to do anything about it <i>because you were dead.</i></p><p>From a what-do-you-have-to-lose perspective, sure, it's worth a shot. But this simply can't be a dependable part of estate planning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given the assumption that cryogenic revival will be possible , this may work in principle-- but the insurance industry does n't exactly function on immutable code-like rules that can be hacked for fun and profit.It 's much more a game-- and moreover , the game is owned by the insurance industry .
You 're just playing it .
And if you figure out a particularly good trick to beat the house , they 're either going to rationalize why certain technicalities mean they do n't need to pay you ( and thus 'easy money ' becomes 'try to drag deep-pocketed defendants into court ' ) , or they 'll simply change the rules before you 're revived , and you wo n't have been able to do anything about it because you were dead.From a what-do-you-have-to-lose perspective , sure , it 's worth a shot .
But this simply ca n't be a dependable part of estate planning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given the assumption that cryogenic revival will be possible, this may work in principle-- but the insurance industry doesn't exactly function on immutable code-like rules that can be hacked for fun and profit.It's much more a game-- and moreover, the game is owned by the insurance industry.
You're just playing it.
And if you figure out a particularly good trick to beat the house, they're either going to rationalize why certain technicalities mean they don't need to pay you (and thus 'easy money' becomes 'try to drag deep-pocketed defendants into court'), or they'll simply change the rules before you're revived, and you won't have been able to do anything about it because you were dead.From a what-do-you-have-to-lose perspective, sure, it's worth a shot.
But this simply can't be a dependable part of estate planning.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126908</id>
	<title>welcome..</title>
	<author>zmollusc</author>
	<datestamp>1258450020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..to the world of tomorrow!</p><p>Yeah, you are a head in a jar, your money got ripped off 30 minutes after you were frozen and you owe  the government $100 squillion in cryo-tax and you will be kept in this cupboard till you pay up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..to the world of tomorrow ! Yeah , you are a head in a jar , your money got ripped off 30 minutes after you were frozen and you owe the government $ 100 squillion in cryo-tax and you will be kept in this cupboard till you pay up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..to the world of tomorrow!Yeah, you are a head in a jar, your money got ripped off 30 minutes after you were frozen and you owe  the government $100 squillion in cryo-tax and you will be kept in this cupboard till you pay up.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Corpsicle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpsicle" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpsicle</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>I think Larry Niven's story says it all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpsicle [ wikipedia.org ] I think Larry Niven 's story says it all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpsicle [wikipedia.org]I think Larry Niven's story says it all.</sentencetext>
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	<title>The 19th Aeon</title>
	<author>dugeen</author>
	<datestamp>1258457220000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>This is akin to a feudal lord having himself frozen circa 1300 in the hope that enough serfs would breed in the meantime to farm his demesne more effectively.

It also recalls the Jack Vance story where beautiful youths preserved in capsules are regarded as a delicacy by the brutish cannibal peasants who, from time to time, dig them out of the ruins of their civilisation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is akin to a feudal lord having himself frozen circa 1300 in the hope that enough serfs would breed in the meantime to farm his demesne more effectively .
It also recalls the Jack Vance story where beautiful youths preserved in capsules are regarded as a delicacy by the brutish cannibal peasants who , from time to time , dig them out of the ruins of their civilisation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is akin to a feudal lord having himself frozen circa 1300 in the hope that enough serfs would breed in the meantime to farm his demesne more effectively.
It also recalls the Jack Vance story where beautiful youths preserved in capsules are regarded as a delicacy by the brutish cannibal peasants who, from time to time, dig them out of the ruins of their civilisation.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Who modded this insightful?</title>
	<author>mxh83</author>
	<datestamp>1258490160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>"The largest cryonics organization today, in terms of membership, was established as a <b>nonprofit organization</b> by Fred and Linda Chamberlain in California in 1972 as the Alcor Society for Solid State Hypothermia (ALCOR)"
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcor\_Life\_Extension\_Foundation" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcor\_Life\_Extension\_Foundation</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The largest cryonics organization today , in terms of membership , was established as a nonprofit organization by Fred and Linda Chamberlain in California in 1972 as the Alcor Society for Solid State Hypothermia ( ALCOR ) " http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcor \ _Life \ _Extension \ _Foundation [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The largest cryonics organization today, in terms of membership, was established as a nonprofit organization by Fred and Linda Chamberlain in California in 1972 as the Alcor Society for Solid State Hypothermia (ALCOR)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcor\_Life\_Extension\_Foundation [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258448760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One word: Fembot.</p><p>Once a reasonable facsimile of a real woman happens (nowhere near there yet), the tables will likely be turned, and in a big way. And no this isn't some sort of weird geek fantasy talking.</p><p>Thing is, men and women behave differently. A male human being has to mature a whole hell of a lot before he begins to sexually appreciate a woman as more than a collection of pretty smells, nice curves, and a warm vagina. We guys (not universally, but on average) are driven sexually by our five senses (esp. vision) more than anything else. Women OTOH are driven by far more factors, and look for these factors far sooner than guys do. This is why a male sex robot is fairly useless (unless someone pops the Turing route a whole lot sooner than anyone expect, that is), while a fairly dumb female sex robot would happily be useful to an unfortunate majority of the male population.</p></div><p>Your theory is shot down by the evidence.  There are male sex robots for women: they are called "vibrators", and they massively outsell female sex robots for men (blow-up dolls).</p></div>
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<tokenext>One word : Fembot.Once a reasonable facsimile of a real woman happens ( nowhere near there yet ) , the tables will likely be turned , and in a big way .
And no this is n't some sort of weird geek fantasy talking.Thing is , men and women behave differently .
A male human being has to mature a whole hell of a lot before he begins to sexually appreciate a woman as more than a collection of pretty smells , nice curves , and a warm vagina .
We guys ( not universally , but on average ) are driven sexually by our five senses ( esp .
vision ) more than anything else .
Women OTOH are driven by far more factors , and look for these factors far sooner than guys do .
This is why a male sex robot is fairly useless ( unless someone pops the Turing route a whole lot sooner than anyone expect , that is ) , while a fairly dumb female sex robot would happily be useful to an unfortunate majority of the male population.Your theory is shot down by the evidence .
There are male sex robots for women : they are called " vibrators " , and they massively outsell female sex robots for men ( blow-up dolls ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One word: Fembot.Once a reasonable facsimile of a real woman happens (nowhere near there yet), the tables will likely be turned, and in a big way.
And no this isn't some sort of weird geek fantasy talking.Thing is, men and women behave differently.
A male human being has to mature a whole hell of a lot before he begins to sexually appreciate a woman as more than a collection of pretty smells, nice curves, and a warm vagina.
We guys (not universally, but on average) are driven sexually by our five senses (esp.
vision) more than anything else.
Women OTOH are driven by far more factors, and look for these factors far sooner than guys do.
This is why a male sex robot is fairly useless (unless someone pops the Turing route a whole lot sooner than anyone expect, that is), while a fairly dumb female sex robot would happily be useful to an unfortunate majority of the male population.Your theory is shot down by the evidence.
There are male sex robots for women: they are called "vibrators", and they massively outsell female sex robots for men (blow-up dolls).
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	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258484220000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> This is why a male sex robot is fairly useless</p></div><p>Seeing how dildos and vibrators exist, I'm going to have to disagree with your premise.</p></div>
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<tokenext>This is why a male sex robot is fairly uselessSeeing how dildos and vibrators exist , I 'm going to have to disagree with your premise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> This is why a male sex robot is fairly uselessSeeing how dildos and vibrators exist, I'm going to have to disagree with your premise.
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	<title>Cryo has got to be the most brilliant scam ever</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258401540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Of course it is a bad scam preying on old people. But there are many such scams. The brilliant thing about cryogenics or whatever they call it is that the scammers can never be discovered. Let's face it it will not be possible to revive those poor dead people for a long time and probably forever. Even if micro biology advances it will not be possible because freezing tissue destroys all the cells and turns everything into mush. They need more than micro biology they need someone to reverse entropy, and good luck with that.</p><p>But anyways, let's imagine, for the sake of argument that it does become possible to revive those ppl. Even if that happens it will be far far in the future. And then of course when the people discover that everything has been stolen and there is no money in those funds, the perpetrators will be looong gone. Of course it is likely that by that time someone will have stopped paying the bills, the freezers would be switched off and some unlucky municipal government will have a hundred thousand rapidly thawing severed human heads to deal with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course it is a bad scam preying on old people .
But there are many such scams .
The brilliant thing about cryogenics or whatever they call it is that the scammers can never be discovered .
Let 's face it it will not be possible to revive those poor dead people for a long time and probably forever .
Even if micro biology advances it will not be possible because freezing tissue destroys all the cells and turns everything into mush .
They need more than micro biology they need someone to reverse entropy , and good luck with that.But anyways , let 's imagine , for the sake of argument that it does become possible to revive those ppl .
Even if that happens it will be far far in the future .
And then of course when the people discover that everything has been stolen and there is no money in those funds , the perpetrators will be looong gone .
Of course it is likely that by that time someone will have stopped paying the bills , the freezers would be switched off and some unlucky municipal government will have a hundred thousand rapidly thawing severed human heads to deal with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course it is a bad scam preying on old people.
But there are many such scams.
The brilliant thing about cryogenics or whatever they call it is that the scammers can never be discovered.
Let's face it it will not be possible to revive those poor dead people for a long time and probably forever.
Even if micro biology advances it will not be possible because freezing tissue destroys all the cells and turns everything into mush.
They need more than micro biology they need someone to reverse entropy, and good luck with that.But anyways, let's imagine, for the sake of argument that it does become possible to revive those ppl.
Even if that happens it will be far far in the future.
And then of course when the people discover that everything has been stolen and there is no money in those funds, the perpetrators will be looong gone.
Of course it is likely that by that time someone will have stopped paying the bills, the freezers would be switched off and some unlucky municipal government will have a hundred thousand rapidly thawing severed human heads to deal with.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:There's an easier way</title>
	<author>Fantastic Lad</author>
	<datestamp>1258449960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I had $25 left in a bank account for a couple of years.  The bank ate it all up with service charges until the balance went negative and then when I didn't pay the bill they closed out the account and said I was lucky they didn't come after me.</p><p>Fuck the banks.  I can't wait for the economy to totally crash and for all the monkey men and monkey women in suits to flip out and destroy themselves.  Sure, I'll probably die myself, but I'm going to go laughing while pointing out that I told them so.</p><p>(Nah.  I'll probably be a chump and provide comfort like I always seem to do in person.  I just wish people would grow a few extra brain cells and get a clue or two so I won't be the only one not flipping out when the whole thing goes to shit.  That Swine Flu idiocy was a great indicator of what you can expect from the populace, and that was threat-level "kindergarten".  The people you think are smart but who fell for the H1N1 mind game are exactly the people who are going to totally lose their fucking minds when the sky <i>actually</i> falls.  Total liabilities.)</p><p>-FL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had $ 25 left in a bank account for a couple of years .
The bank ate it all up with service charges until the balance went negative and then when I did n't pay the bill they closed out the account and said I was lucky they did n't come after me.Fuck the banks .
I ca n't wait for the economy to totally crash and for all the monkey men and monkey women in suits to flip out and destroy themselves .
Sure , I 'll probably die myself , but I 'm going to go laughing while pointing out that I told them so. ( Nah .
I 'll probably be a chump and provide comfort like I always seem to do in person .
I just wish people would grow a few extra brain cells and get a clue or two so I wo n't be the only one not flipping out when the whole thing goes to shit .
That Swine Flu idiocy was a great indicator of what you can expect from the populace , and that was threat-level " kindergarten " .
The people you think are smart but who fell for the H1N1 mind game are exactly the people who are going to totally lose their fucking minds when the sky actually falls .
Total liabilities .
) -FL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had $25 left in a bank account for a couple of years.
The bank ate it all up with service charges until the balance went negative and then when I didn't pay the bill they closed out the account and said I was lucky they didn't come after me.Fuck the banks.
I can't wait for the economy to totally crash and for all the monkey men and monkey women in suits to flip out and destroy themselves.
Sure, I'll probably die myself, but I'm going to go laughing while pointing out that I told them so.(Nah.
I'll probably be a chump and provide comfort like I always seem to do in person.
I just wish people would grow a few extra brain cells and get a clue or two so I won't be the only one not flipping out when the whole thing goes to shit.
That Swine Flu idiocy was a great indicator of what you can expect from the populace, and that was threat-level "kindergarten".
The people you think are smart but who fell for the H1N1 mind game are exactly the people who are going to totally lose their fucking minds when the sky actually falls.
Total liabilities.
)-FL</sentencetext>
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	<title>don't hold your breath</title>
	<author>mxh83</author>
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	<htmltext>The future will likely disallow this kind of inheritance. The main problem with cryogenics right now is that it is not possible to undo the damage caused by the cryogenic procedure.  People who have invested in companies like Alcor have done so in the belief that a solution will soon be available.  As soon as that happens the world will see a new set of laws that take care of all these loopholes.  I would image that they will make sure you don't wake up with an advantage you do not deserve x years into the future.  It will be more about people wanting to experience the future than benefiting from it</htmltext>
<tokenext>The future will likely disallow this kind of inheritance .
The main problem with cryogenics right now is that it is not possible to undo the damage caused by the cryogenic procedure .
People who have invested in companies like Alcor have done so in the belief that a solution will soon be available .
As soon as that happens the world will see a new set of laws that take care of all these loopholes .
I would image that they will make sure you do n't wake up with an advantage you do not deserve x years into the future .
It will be more about people wanting to experience the future than benefiting from it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The future will likely disallow this kind of inheritance.
The main problem with cryogenics right now is that it is not possible to undo the damage caused by the cryogenic procedure.
People who have invested in companies like Alcor have done so in the belief that a solution will soon be available.
As soon as that happens the world will see a new set of laws that take care of all these loopholes.
I would image that they will make sure you don't wake up with an advantage you do not deserve x years into the future.
It will be more about people wanting to experience the future than benefiting from it</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:don't hold your breath</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1258474320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Outlaw trust funds and the rich will move their money to a country which allows them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Outlaw trust funds and the rich will move their money to a country which allows them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Outlaw trust funds and the rich will move their money to a country which allows them.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Plastic Minds, Electronic Souls, Metal bodies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258463100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>But it will never be you, ever.<br>It will always be a copy.<br>You'd actually need to move your consciousness over to a computer like it is done in an OS currently, bit-by-bit.<br>Or in other words, replacing all braincells and connections with artificial ones cell-by-cell.<br>Well, some parts could probably be done in larger groups of cells, but i certainly wouldn't risk it.</p><p>While the structure could be preserved, currently we don't know for sure if that is the only thing that leads to consciousness and memory.<br>Some have even suggested that the brain has evolved so much that it is capable of performing quantum entanglement, which i wouldn't be surprised at considering we know it is using some pretty complex physics at the moment in places like the visual system.<br>There was actually a recent "revelation" in brain scans that seems to have found something that shows how consciousness comes about, so that could be promising.</p><p>Either way, i would prefer doing it bit-by-bit, even if some future human overlords said that they managed to copy their brains over instantly, i still wouldn't trust them because <b>they are not me</b>.<br>When it comes to the conscious mind, you cannot trust anyone else because it could simply be the memories being used through a simulated consciousness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But it will never be you , ever.It will always be a copy.You 'd actually need to move your consciousness over to a computer like it is done in an OS currently , bit-by-bit.Or in other words , replacing all braincells and connections with artificial ones cell-by-cell.Well , some parts could probably be done in larger groups of cells , but i certainly would n't risk it.While the structure could be preserved , currently we do n't know for sure if that is the only thing that leads to consciousness and memory.Some have even suggested that the brain has evolved so much that it is capable of performing quantum entanglement , which i would n't be surprised at considering we know it is using some pretty complex physics at the moment in places like the visual system.There was actually a recent " revelation " in brain scans that seems to have found something that shows how consciousness comes about , so that could be promising.Either way , i would prefer doing it bit-by-bit , even if some future human overlords said that they managed to copy their brains over instantly , i still would n't trust them because they are not me.When it comes to the conscious mind , you can not trust anyone else because it could simply be the memories being used through a simulated consciousness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it will never be you, ever.It will always be a copy.You'd actually need to move your consciousness over to a computer like it is done in an OS currently, bit-by-bit.Or in other words, replacing all braincells and connections with artificial ones cell-by-cell.Well, some parts could probably be done in larger groups of cells, but i certainly wouldn't risk it.While the structure could be preserved, currently we don't know for sure if that is the only thing that leads to consciousness and memory.Some have even suggested that the brain has evolved so much that it is capable of performing quantum entanglement, which i wouldn't be surprised at considering we know it is using some pretty complex physics at the moment in places like the visual system.There was actually a recent "revelation" in brain scans that seems to have found something that shows how consciousness comes about, so that could be promising.Either way, i would prefer doing it bit-by-bit, even if some future human overlords said that they managed to copy their brains over instantly, i still wouldn't trust them because they are not me.When it comes to the conscious mind, you cannot trust anyone else because it could simply be the memories being used through a simulated consciousness.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Plastic Minds, Electronic Souls, Metal bodies</title>
	<author>jameskojiro</author>
	<datestamp>1258448940000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Forget cryogenic temperatures.   After I die I want my brain to preserved by injecting it with a polymer that can preserve the positions of all of my neurons.   Forget saving my DNA and cells, my DNA is already a mess.   Just preserve my neural patterns and do it so my brain can survive at room temperatures for thousands of years.   Think of an insect trapped in amber.   You can never revive it, but you can take scans of it in a computer to make a "virtual" copy of it in computer memory.   That way your "consciousness" can survive onwards, even if no atom of your original body is ever involved.   Then later you may even have the opportunity to be transferred into a living flesh body, but you may not want to, why be a flesh and blood human with obvious weaknesses.   Exist instead in a prosthetic body and a virtual mind.   At home you can have a few extra spare bodies lying around and if you don't check in for a few years the hard copy you made of yourself will activate and copy itself into a fresh body and you live yet again!!!</p><p>There are techniques that can polymerize tissue, like in the body work 3-D exhibit, not sure if that can preserve discrete neuron positions and connections.  But I could imagine if done properly you could preserve enough information from your brain to save your hopes, dreams fears and ambitions, your very soul!   CAT scan technology is getting quite advanced and soon we may have scans with high enough resolution to record the positions of neurons and what other neurons they are connected to.</p><p>Disadvantages:  You won't be "Exactly your former self"  You won't have the same DNA or maybe even ANY DNA.  You may never be able to go back "into the flesh" as your old self and may have to put up with being inside of a android body built by some company in China.   They might take your virtual mind and put it to work in some menial capacity such as teaching annoying brats about history or piloting space garbage trucks.  You may spend an eternity on your distant offspring's knick knack box to be sold at a garage sale...   They may not be able to scan your neurons and simulate your brain.  You might "screw the pooch" and your frozen friends were right and you are screwed because they cannot de-plasticize your brain...  In order to scan your brain you may have to have your brain all sliced up and it may be destructive process so if the tech screws up, sorry, you dead for good now....</p><p>Advantages: You will be more "immortal" than your frozen popsicle counterparts.   If they lose Nitrogen in their dewers they are rancid spoiler meat.   You can take room temperatures in a box in the attic and laugh at your thawed friends.   Zombies won't want to eat you plasticized brain, "it taste bad..."   No apocalypse survivors would want to eat you either and no organ market would want to use you to make a quick buck as the process on plasticizing is irreversible unless you have micro bots or something exotic and if you have them you won't need organs from dead plastic people.   Advanced CAT scans and brain simulation seems to be a little closer technologically speaking than flesh re-animating defrosting nanobots.  Having multiple hard backups of yourself is a lot easier.  You can "burn" multiple backups of yourself on "Gamma Ray Holographic Disc".   If you are not a data pattern you could be sent to Mars with ease and at light speed.  They just need a computer at their end and a spare robot body.  You can "deadhead" for many years if things get boring, (think of it like having a Fast Forward button on life, but you cannot rewind unless you want to live it virtually, heh).</p><p>Technology needed:</p><p>1. A chemical cocktail that can plasticize human cells at a cellular level and isn't destructive to neural connections and can remain stable after "setting up" in room temperatures.    (we may already have this)<br>2. Scanning equipment than has cellular resolution or better than can record neural connections. (we are getting really close today to this)<br>3. A computer than can simulate a human mind based</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget cryogenic temperatures .
After I die I want my brain to preserved by injecting it with a polymer that can preserve the positions of all of my neurons .
Forget saving my DNA and cells , my DNA is already a mess .
Just preserve my neural patterns and do it so my brain can survive at room temperatures for thousands of years .
Think of an insect trapped in amber .
You can never revive it , but you can take scans of it in a computer to make a " virtual " copy of it in computer memory .
That way your " consciousness " can survive onwards , even if no atom of your original body is ever involved .
Then later you may even have the opportunity to be transferred into a living flesh body , but you may not want to , why be a flesh and blood human with obvious weaknesses .
Exist instead in a prosthetic body and a virtual mind .
At home you can have a few extra spare bodies lying around and if you do n't check in for a few years the hard copy you made of yourself will activate and copy itself into a fresh body and you live yet again ! !
! There are techniques that can polymerize tissue , like in the body work 3-D exhibit , not sure if that can preserve discrete neuron positions and connections .
But I could imagine if done properly you could preserve enough information from your brain to save your hopes , dreams fears and ambitions , your very soul !
CAT scan technology is getting quite advanced and soon we may have scans with high enough resolution to record the positions of neurons and what other neurons they are connected to.Disadvantages : You wo n't be " Exactly your former self " You wo n't have the same DNA or maybe even ANY DNA .
You may never be able to go back " into the flesh " as your old self and may have to put up with being inside of a android body built by some company in China .
They might take your virtual mind and put it to work in some menial capacity such as teaching annoying brats about history or piloting space garbage trucks .
You may spend an eternity on your distant offspring 's knick knack box to be sold at a garage sale... They may not be able to scan your neurons and simulate your brain .
You might " screw the pooch " and your frozen friends were right and you are screwed because they can not de-plasticize your brain... In order to scan your brain you may have to have your brain all sliced up and it may be destructive process so if the tech screws up , sorry , you dead for good now....Advantages : You will be more " immortal " than your frozen popsicle counterparts .
If they lose Nitrogen in their dewers they are rancid spoiler meat .
You can take room temperatures in a box in the attic and laugh at your thawed friends .
Zombies wo n't want to eat you plasticized brain , " it taste bad... " No apocalypse survivors would want to eat you either and no organ market would want to use you to make a quick buck as the process on plasticizing is irreversible unless you have micro bots or something exotic and if you have them you wo n't need organs from dead plastic people .
Advanced CAT scans and brain simulation seems to be a little closer technologically speaking than flesh re-animating defrosting nanobots .
Having multiple hard backups of yourself is a lot easier .
You can " burn " multiple backups of yourself on " Gamma Ray Holographic Disc " .
If you are not a data pattern you could be sent to Mars with ease and at light speed .
They just need a computer at their end and a spare robot body .
You can " deadhead " for many years if things get boring , ( think of it like having a Fast Forward button on life , but you can not rewind unless you want to live it virtually , heh ) .Technology needed : 1 .
A chemical cocktail that can plasticize human cells at a cellular level and is n't destructive to neural connections and can remain stable after " setting up " in room temperatures .
( we may already have this ) 2 .
Scanning equipment than has cellular resolution or better than can record neural connections .
( we are getting really close today to this ) 3 .
A computer than can simulate a human mind based</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget cryogenic temperatures.
After I die I want my brain to preserved by injecting it with a polymer that can preserve the positions of all of my neurons.
Forget saving my DNA and cells, my DNA is already a mess.
Just preserve my neural patterns and do it so my brain can survive at room temperatures for thousands of years.
Think of an insect trapped in amber.
You can never revive it, but you can take scans of it in a computer to make a "virtual" copy of it in computer memory.
That way your "consciousness" can survive onwards, even if no atom of your original body is ever involved.
Then later you may even have the opportunity to be transferred into a living flesh body, but you may not want to, why be a flesh and blood human with obvious weaknesses.
Exist instead in a prosthetic body and a virtual mind.
At home you can have a few extra spare bodies lying around and if you don't check in for a few years the hard copy you made of yourself will activate and copy itself into a fresh body and you live yet again!!
!There are techniques that can polymerize tissue, like in the body work 3-D exhibit, not sure if that can preserve discrete neuron positions and connections.
But I could imagine if done properly you could preserve enough information from your brain to save your hopes, dreams fears and ambitions, your very soul!
CAT scan technology is getting quite advanced and soon we may have scans with high enough resolution to record the positions of neurons and what other neurons they are connected to.Disadvantages:  You won't be "Exactly your former self"  You won't have the same DNA or maybe even ANY DNA.
You may never be able to go back "into the flesh" as your old self and may have to put up with being inside of a android body built by some company in China.
They might take your virtual mind and put it to work in some menial capacity such as teaching annoying brats about history or piloting space garbage trucks.
You may spend an eternity on your distant offspring's knick knack box to be sold at a garage sale...   They may not be able to scan your neurons and simulate your brain.
You might "screw the pooch" and your frozen friends were right and you are screwed because they cannot de-plasticize your brain...  In order to scan your brain you may have to have your brain all sliced up and it may be destructive process so if the tech screws up, sorry, you dead for good now....Advantages: You will be more "immortal" than your frozen popsicle counterparts.
If they lose Nitrogen in their dewers they are rancid spoiler meat.
You can take room temperatures in a box in the attic and laugh at your thawed friends.
Zombies won't want to eat you plasticized brain, "it taste bad..."   No apocalypse survivors would want to eat you either and no organ market would want to use you to make a quick buck as the process on plasticizing is irreversible unless you have micro bots or something exotic and if you have them you won't need organs from dead plastic people.
Advanced CAT scans and brain simulation seems to be a little closer technologically speaking than flesh re-animating defrosting nanobots.
Having multiple hard backups of yourself is a lot easier.
You can "burn" multiple backups of yourself on "Gamma Ray Holographic Disc".
If you are not a data pattern you could be sent to Mars with ease and at light speed.
They just need a computer at their end and a spare robot body.
You can "deadhead" for many years if things get boring, (think of it like having a Fast Forward button on life, but you cannot rewind unless you want to live it virtually, heh).Technology needed:1.
A chemical cocktail that can plasticize human cells at a cellular level and isn't destructive to neural connections and can remain stable after "setting up" in room temperatures.
(we may already have this)2.
Scanning equipment than has cellular resolution or better than can record neural connections.
(we are getting really close today to this)3.
A computer than can simulate a human mind based</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127830</id>
	<title>Re:Key legal obstacle</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1258465800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the theory being that it's easy to know when the Prince of Wales carks it</p></div><p>Of course, in practice, it would be really challenging to know when the Prince of Wales carks it, because periodically the Prince of Wales becomes the King of England, and one of his sons becomes Prince of Wales. There are in fact only 4 Princes of Wales that died while holding that title (Edward the Black Prince, Arthur Tudor, Henry Stuart, Frederick Louis). In other words, those trusts could be around a lot longer than intended, unless they were listed as basing the timing off of when the <i>current</i> Prince of Wales carks it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the theory being that it 's easy to know when the Prince of Wales carks itOf course , in practice , it would be really challenging to know when the Prince of Wales carks it , because periodically the Prince of Wales becomes the King of England , and one of his sons becomes Prince of Wales .
There are in fact only 4 Princes of Wales that died while holding that title ( Edward the Black Prince , Arthur Tudor , Henry Stuart , Frederick Louis ) .
In other words , those trusts could be around a lot longer than intended , unless they were listed as basing the timing off of when the current Prince of Wales carks it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the theory being that it's easy to know when the Prince of Wales carks itOf course, in practice, it would be really challenging to know when the Prince of Wales carks it, because periodically the Prince of Wales becomes the King of England, and one of his sons becomes Prince of Wales.
There are in fact only 4 Princes of Wales that died while holding that title (Edward the Black Prince, Arthur Tudor, Henry Stuart, Frederick Louis).
In other words, those trusts could be around a lot longer than intended, unless they were listed as basing the timing off of when the current Prince of Wales carks it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128300</id>
	<title>Hahahahaha!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258470300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"mega-abundance"</p><p>We could have abundance now, everyone, if people stopped thinking like cavemen and politicians stopped being lying criminals on behalf of giant corporations. Earth really could enter a Golden Age with fewer than 3000 selected incarcerations. But, no. You have to keep it just the way it is and go for mega-abundance.</p><p>Losers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" mega-abundance " We could have abundance now , everyone , if people stopped thinking like cavemen and politicians stopped being lying criminals on behalf of giant corporations .
Earth really could enter a Golden Age with fewer than 3000 selected incarcerations .
But , no .
You have to keep it just the way it is and go for mega-abundance.Losers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"mega-abundance"We could have abundance now, everyone, if people stopped thinking like cavemen and politicians stopped being lying criminals on behalf of giant corporations.
Earth really could enter a Golden Age with fewer than 3000 selected incarcerations.
But, no.
You have to keep it just the way it is and go for mega-abundance.Losers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126712</id>
	<title>To all those who say it is impossible</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1258490520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was PROVEN that were you to emerge from a tunnel at a speed of greater then 30 miles an hour, the air blast would kill you. How hard do you drive?
</p><p>Lots of things were impossible, before someone did them.
</p><p>No, I don't see how someone's frozen head could be revived but think this. HOW many of you think it is possible to create an animal from a cell?
</p><p>Yet the idea in Jurassic Park is not nearly as far fetched anymore is it? Used to be that dinosaurs came back in movie land because someone found some eggs that magically survived a million years. Suddenly a drop of blood will do.
</p><p>And in fact, we might not even need that. Don't our genes contain the obsolete code from animals we were in the past? You could breed a toothed chicken.
</p><p>No, I don't think that sticking your head in liquid nitrogen will work, but saying that the idea of cryogenics is impossible... that to me is ignoring that this has been said about way to many things. The impossible is only impossible until it becomes possible, after that everyone says "oh I could have thought of that". But you didn't because you thought it was impossible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was PROVEN that were you to emerge from a tunnel at a speed of greater then 30 miles an hour , the air blast would kill you .
How hard do you drive ?
Lots of things were impossible , before someone did them .
No , I do n't see how someone 's frozen head could be revived but think this .
HOW many of you think it is possible to create an animal from a cell ?
Yet the idea in Jurassic Park is not nearly as far fetched anymore is it ?
Used to be that dinosaurs came back in movie land because someone found some eggs that magically survived a million years .
Suddenly a drop of blood will do .
And in fact , we might not even need that .
Do n't our genes contain the obsolete code from animals we were in the past ?
You could breed a toothed chicken .
No , I do n't think that sticking your head in liquid nitrogen will work , but saying that the idea of cryogenics is impossible... that to me is ignoring that this has been said about way to many things .
The impossible is only impossible until it becomes possible , after that everyone says " oh I could have thought of that " .
But you did n't because you thought it was impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was PROVEN that were you to emerge from a tunnel at a speed of greater then 30 miles an hour, the air blast would kill you.
How hard do you drive?
Lots of things were impossible, before someone did them.
No, I don't see how someone's frozen head could be revived but think this.
HOW many of you think it is possible to create an animal from a cell?
Yet the idea in Jurassic Park is not nearly as far fetched anymore is it?
Used to be that dinosaurs came back in movie land because someone found some eggs that magically survived a million years.
Suddenly a drop of blood will do.
And in fact, we might not even need that.
Don't our genes contain the obsolete code from animals we were in the past?
You could breed a toothed chicken.
No, I don't think that sticking your head in liquid nitrogen will work, but saying that the idea of cryogenics is impossible... that to me is ignoring that this has been said about way to many things.
The impossible is only impossible until it becomes possible, after that everyone says "oh I could have thought of that".
But you didn't because you thought it was impossible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126530</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258488000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this is pretty straightforward:</p><p>1) File life insurance claim due to your appointment to be frozen next Tuesday<br>2) Get frozen<br>3) Life insurance company denies claim until it can be ascertained whether you will be brought back to life.<br>4) No money in account<br>5) Check bounces at freezer company<br>6) Freezer company threatens to pull plug<br>7) Insurance company transfers your body to a facility in Northern Canada (a field full of frozen bodies)<br>8a) Your body stays there till the sun dies<br>8b) Insurance company profits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is pretty straightforward : 1 ) File life insurance claim due to your appointment to be frozen next Tuesday2 ) Get frozen3 ) Life insurance company denies claim until it can be ascertained whether you will be brought back to life.4 ) No money in account5 ) Check bounces at freezer company6 ) Freezer company threatens to pull plug7 ) Insurance company transfers your body to a facility in Northern Canada ( a field full of frozen bodies ) 8a ) Your body stays there till the sun dies8b ) Insurance company profits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is pretty straightforward:1) File life insurance claim due to your appointment to be frozen next Tuesday2) Get frozen3) Life insurance company denies claim until it can be ascertained whether you will be brought back to life.4) No money in account5) Check bounces at freezer company6) Freezer company threatens to pull plug7) Insurance company transfers your body to a facility in Northern Canada (a field full of frozen bodies)8a) Your body stays there till the sun dies8b) Insurance company profits.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126314</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>Lupulack</author>
	<datestamp>1258398900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the other hand, people in their 20s often pick up and go somewhere they know nobody, where the culture is very different and they have to pick up a whole new set of assumptions. It's called "college".</p><p>I think people in general are far more resilient than you give credit for, especially with the benefit of what would likely be advanced counselling methods.</p><p>Perhaps it's not to your liking, that's fine. Some people are more embedded in their world than others. I think I would manage fine, a whole new world to learn would be fascinating! Besides, you could likely still make the decision at that time that you didn't want to continue, no need to make it *now*!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the other hand , people in their 20s often pick up and go somewhere they know nobody , where the culture is very different and they have to pick up a whole new set of assumptions .
It 's called " college " .I think people in general are far more resilient than you give credit for , especially with the benefit of what would likely be advanced counselling methods.Perhaps it 's not to your liking , that 's fine .
Some people are more embedded in their world than others .
I think I would manage fine , a whole new world to learn would be fascinating !
Besides , you could likely still make the decision at that time that you did n't want to continue , no need to make it * now * !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the other hand, people in their 20s often pick up and go somewhere they know nobody, where the culture is very different and they have to pick up a whole new set of assumptions.
It's called "college".I think people in general are far more resilient than you give credit for, especially with the benefit of what would likely be advanced counselling methods.Perhaps it's not to your liking, that's fine.
Some people are more embedded in their world than others.
I think I would manage fine, a whole new world to learn would be fascinating!
Besides, you could likely still make the decision at that time that you didn't want to continue, no need to make it *now*!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128156</id>
	<title>That's all well and good...</title>
	<author>MarcLeeT</author>
	<datestamp>1258469100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But who knows what the future will be like, futurama, Idiocracy or maybe end up a frozen dinner for another alien race.

I'm going to just stay unfrozen instead of risk it... not that futurama isn't a bad place to live in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But who knows what the future will be like , futurama , Idiocracy or maybe end up a frozen dinner for another alien race .
I 'm going to just stay unfrozen instead of risk it... not that futurama is n't a bad place to live in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But who knows what the future will be like, futurama, Idiocracy or maybe end up a frozen dinner for another alien race.
I'm going to just stay unfrozen instead of risk it... not that futurama isn't a bad place to live in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126394</id>
	<title>Money rusts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258399860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"If you take a large amount of money and invest it carefully, at a good rate of return, compounded annually, it will eventually be worth nothing"  Robert Heinlein.

How much is a Drachma worth today? or a Lira, or a Spanish, or a Deutch Mark - yeah, they don't exist anymore and are worth diddly squat...</htmltext>
<tokenext>" If you take a large amount of money and invest it carefully , at a good rate of return , compounded annually , it will eventually be worth nothing " Robert Heinlein .
How much is a Drachma worth today ?
or a Lira , or a Spanish , or a Deutch Mark - yeah , they do n't exist anymore and are worth diddly squat.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If you take a large amount of money and invest it carefully, at a good rate of return, compounded annually, it will eventually be worth nothing"  Robert Heinlein.
How much is a Drachma worth today?
or a Lira, or a Spanish, or a Deutch Mark - yeah, they don't exist anymore and are worth diddly squat...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30129206</id>
	<title>It would be easier to revive the embalmed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258475100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would be easier to revive the embalmed because the neural connections are preserved through plasticizing whereas they are scrambled through freezing. A plasticized nervous system should preserve all information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be easier to revive the embalmed because the neural connections are preserved through plasticizing whereas they are scrambled through freezing .
A plasticized nervous system should preserve all information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be easier to revive the embalmed because the neural connections are preserved through plasticizing whereas they are scrambled through freezing.
A plasticized nervous system should preserve all information.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126736</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>The Wooden Badger</author>
	<datestamp>1258490880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The easy "out" would be that you weren't dead, and you owe them for unpaid premiums.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The easy " out " would be that you were n't dead , and you owe them for unpaid premiums .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The easy "out" would be that you weren't dead, and you owe them for unpaid premiums.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126338</id>
	<title>Remember what happened to Fry</title>
	<author>Concerned Onlooker</author>
	<datestamp>1258399020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just be prepared for what is bound to happen.  Your bike will likely get stolen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just be prepared for what is bound to happen .
Your bike will likely get stolen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just be prepared for what is bound to happen.
Your bike will likely get stolen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126488</id>
	<title>Re:There's an easier way</title>
	<author>lee1026</author>
	<datestamp>1258401000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Historically, real interest rates (the nominal interest rate - inflation) have been about 2\%. So in 1000 years, that 93 cents will be worth about 370 million in inflation adjusted terms. A respectable sum.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Historically , real interest rates ( the nominal interest rate - inflation ) have been about 2 \ % .
So in 1000 years , that 93 cents will be worth about 370 million in inflation adjusted terms .
A respectable sum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Historically, real interest rates (the nominal interest rate - inflation) have been about 2\%.
So in 1000 years, that 93 cents will be worth about 370 million in inflation adjusted terms.
A respectable sum.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126540</id>
	<title>good news everyone!</title>
	<author>fan of lem</author>
	<datestamp>1258488120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>good news everyone!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>good news everyone !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>good news everyone!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127278</id>
	<title>And how to prove you're "you"</title>
	<author>petes\_PoV</author>
	<datestamp>1258456800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You die and get frozen. A death certificate is issued. The life insurance policy pays out and the money is stashed. Many years later a frozen body is revived and (somehow) goes to the bank[1] to claim the money.
<p>
The cashier says "certainly sir, I just need you to provide some identification." And that's where it all falls apart. How does a person (who's officially dead) prove that they're not dead. Especially when all their money is being held by the bank who won't release it until the proof come s through. Even worse: where do you sleep that night, and thereafter until a court order comes through some days, weeks or months later? I doubt your credit cards would work, so you're destitute and would probably even have to walk from the popsicle farm to the bank.
</p><p>
[1] presuming the bank hasn't gone bust, changed it's name, relocated to an address you're not familiar with or simply become "virtual" with no high-street presence at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You die and get frozen .
A death certificate is issued .
The life insurance policy pays out and the money is stashed .
Many years later a frozen body is revived and ( somehow ) goes to the bank [ 1 ] to claim the money .
The cashier says " certainly sir , I just need you to provide some identification .
" And that 's where it all falls apart .
How does a person ( who 's officially dead ) prove that they 're not dead .
Especially when all their money is being held by the bank who wo n't release it until the proof come s through .
Even worse : where do you sleep that night , and thereafter until a court order comes through some days , weeks or months later ?
I doubt your credit cards would work , so you 're destitute and would probably even have to walk from the popsicle farm to the bank .
[ 1 ] presuming the bank has n't gone bust , changed it 's name , relocated to an address you 're not familiar with or simply become " virtual " with no high-street presence at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You die and get frozen.
A death certificate is issued.
The life insurance policy pays out and the money is stashed.
Many years later a frozen body is revived and (somehow) goes to the bank[1] to claim the money.
The cashier says "certainly sir, I just need you to provide some identification.
" And that's where it all falls apart.
How does a person (who's officially dead) prove that they're not dead.
Especially when all their money is being held by the bank who won't release it until the proof come s through.
Even worse: where do you sleep that night, and thereafter until a court order comes through some days, weeks or months later?
I doubt your credit cards would work, so you're destitute and would probably even have to walk from the popsicle farm to the bank.
[1] presuming the bank hasn't gone bust, changed it's name, relocated to an address you're not familiar with or simply become "virtual" with no high-street presence at all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126320</id>
	<title>Key legal obstacle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258398960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Before coming to my senses, I used to be a law student. Trusts, including estates, was probably my favourite subject. The main vehicle for transmitting wealth between generations is trusts, because they are reliable and well-understood.<br><br>However, in Australia, and other common-law countries such as the UK, Canada and the USA, trusts have a limited life-time. The basic principle is that the dead cannot rule the living. It's called the "rule against perpetuities". If trusts could last forever, more and more of the world's resources would be tied up in trusts with narrow aims and the eventually all the world would be divided between trustees and beneficiaries. So goes the argument, anyhow (this is different from conditional gifts and foundations, by the way, before you start yammering about scholarships and charitable organisations).<br><br>The lifetime of a trust is specified at its creation. In the old days you could make it $DEATH\_DATE\_OF\_SOMEONE + 21 years. So you'd have stuff like "For the life of the Prince of Wales and 21 years", the theory being that it's easy to know when the Prince of Wales carks it. More recently, most jurisdictions have introduced legislation allowing an optional ability to simply fix some time period, usually up to 80 years.<br><br>And that's the problem. If you go into cryo-storage for 81 years, then on awakening you may find that your trust was dissolved and the benefits distributed to your descendants. And until it's proved that you can really come back from death via cryogenic storage, I'd be amazed if the courts changed their stance. Because too many people would try to break the rule against perpetuities by being "frozen".<br><br>Of course, IANAL, this isn't legal advice, YMMV yadda yadda.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Before coming to my senses , I used to be a law student .
Trusts , including estates , was probably my favourite subject .
The main vehicle for transmitting wealth between generations is trusts , because they are reliable and well-understood.However , in Australia , and other common-law countries such as the UK , Canada and the USA , trusts have a limited life-time .
The basic principle is that the dead can not rule the living .
It 's called the " rule against perpetuities " .
If trusts could last forever , more and more of the world 's resources would be tied up in trusts with narrow aims and the eventually all the world would be divided between trustees and beneficiaries .
So goes the argument , anyhow ( this is different from conditional gifts and foundations , by the way , before you start yammering about scholarships and charitable organisations ) .The lifetime of a trust is specified at its creation .
In the old days you could make it $ DEATH \ _DATE \ _OF \ _SOMEONE + 21 years .
So you 'd have stuff like " For the life of the Prince of Wales and 21 years " , the theory being that it 's easy to know when the Prince of Wales carks it .
More recently , most jurisdictions have introduced legislation allowing an optional ability to simply fix some time period , usually up to 80 years.And that 's the problem .
If you go into cryo-storage for 81 years , then on awakening you may find that your trust was dissolved and the benefits distributed to your descendants .
And until it 's proved that you can really come back from death via cryogenic storage , I 'd be amazed if the courts changed their stance .
Because too many people would try to break the rule against perpetuities by being " frozen " .Of course , IANAL , this is n't legal advice , YMMV yadda yadda .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before coming to my senses, I used to be a law student.
Trusts, including estates, was probably my favourite subject.
The main vehicle for transmitting wealth between generations is trusts, because they are reliable and well-understood.However, in Australia, and other common-law countries such as the UK, Canada and the USA, trusts have a limited life-time.
The basic principle is that the dead cannot rule the living.
It's called the "rule against perpetuities".
If trusts could last forever, more and more of the world's resources would be tied up in trusts with narrow aims and the eventually all the world would be divided between trustees and beneficiaries.
So goes the argument, anyhow (this is different from conditional gifts and foundations, by the way, before you start yammering about scholarships and charitable organisations).The lifetime of a trust is specified at its creation.
In the old days you could make it $DEATH\_DATE\_OF\_SOMEONE + 21 years.
So you'd have stuff like "For the life of the Prince of Wales and 21 years", the theory being that it's easy to know when the Prince of Wales carks it.
More recently, most jurisdictions have introduced legislation allowing an optional ability to simply fix some time period, usually up to 80 years.And that's the problem.
If you go into cryo-storage for 81 years, then on awakening you may find that your trust was dissolved and the benefits distributed to your descendants.
And until it's proved that you can really come back from death via cryogenic storage, I'd be amazed if the courts changed their stance.
Because too many people would try to break the rule against perpetuities by being "frozen".Of course, IANAL, this isn't legal advice, YMMV yadda yadda.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127634</id>
	<title>Fay Valentine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258462620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cowboy Bebop already predicted the outcome of this. So long Space Cowboy.......</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cowboy Bebop already predicted the outcome of this .
So long Space Cowboy...... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cowboy Bebop already predicted the outcome of this.
So long Space Cowboy.......</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30137042</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258460700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is why a male sex robot is fairly useless (unless someone pops the Turing route a whole lot sooner than anyone expect, that is), while a fairly dumb female sex robot would happily be useful to an unfortunate majority of the male population.</p></div><p>So why do more women own vibrators than men own fleshlights?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why a male sex robot is fairly useless ( unless someone pops the Turing route a whole lot sooner than anyone expect , that is ) , while a fairly dumb female sex robot would happily be useful to an unfortunate majority of the male population.So why do more women own vibrators than men own fleshlights ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why a male sex robot is fairly useless (unless someone pops the Turing route a whole lot sooner than anyone expect, that is), while a fairly dumb female sex robot would happily be useful to an unfortunate majority of the male population.So why do more women own vibrators than men own fleshlights?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128230</id>
	<title>might work but probably not with insurence</title>
	<author>cryoman23</author>
	<datestamp>1258469760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>if someone were to put a bunch of money in the bank and just collect the interest earned...</htmltext>
<tokenext>if someone were to put a bunch of money in the bank and just collect the interest earned.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if someone were to put a bunch of money in the bank and just collect the interest earned...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128268</id>
	<title>Old news</title>
	<author>davidwr</author>
	<datestamp>1258470060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Science fiction from decades past just called, they want their storyline back.</p><p>Hey, if this is idle I can be a smarty-pants about this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Science fiction from decades past just called , they want their storyline back.Hey , if this is idle I can be a smarty-pants about this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Science fiction from decades past just called, they want their storyline back.Hey, if this is idle I can be a smarty-pants about this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126584</id>
	<title>Re:hah..</title>
	<author>thoughtspace</author>
	<datestamp>1258488720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, that sort of happened with the pharaohs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that sort of happened with the pharaohs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that sort of happened with the pharaohs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30129310</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258475460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and you can buy spares for it on ebay..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and you can buy spares for it on ebay. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and you can buy spares for it on ebay..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30137254</id>
	<title>Re:Niven</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258461900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, there's a whole set of Niven stories involving corpsicles... mildly entertaining if you don't mind the outrageously confused ideas about politics, technology, medicine, crime, drugs, evolution, and human interaction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , there 's a whole set of Niven stories involving corpsicles... mildly entertaining if you do n't mind the outrageously confused ideas about politics , technology , medicine , crime , drugs , evolution , and human interaction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, there's a whole set of Niven stories involving corpsicles... mildly entertaining if you don't mind the outrageously confused ideas about politics, technology, medicine, crime, drugs, evolution, and human interaction.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127020</id>
	<title>Re:Completely impossible, reviving after freezing</title>
	<author>Normal Dan</author>
	<datestamp>1258452240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except they've been able to "freeze" then thaw rabbit kidneys.  These kidneys were then placed into a living rabbit and they functioned rather well.  With more research, I can see how this could be done to entire human brains, or even bodies.<br>
<br>
Also note, the important part of the brain is the structure.  As long as it's kept intact, the memories and personality remain intact as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except they 've been able to " freeze " then thaw rabbit kidneys .
These kidneys were then placed into a living rabbit and they functioned rather well .
With more research , I can see how this could be done to entire human brains , or even bodies .
Also note , the important part of the brain is the structure .
As long as it 's kept intact , the memories and personality remain intact as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except they've been able to "freeze" then thaw rabbit kidneys.
These kidneys were then placed into a living rabbit and they functioned rather well.
With more research, I can see how this could be done to entire human brains, or even bodies.
Also note, the important part of the brain is the structure.
As long as it's kept intact, the memories and personality remain intact as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127730</id>
	<title>Money will always have meaning</title>
	<author>bkr1\_2k</author>
	<datestamp>1258464000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There will always be meaning for money, though it changes over the generations.  People like having a way to distinguish themselves and money is the easiest of these to flash around.  Money will always have a place in society, even if we get to some highly enlightened place as a species (which is unlikely in the next few millennia.)   We are a caste based species, whether we want to admit it or not, and money is the "new" deciding factor.  It won't go away any time soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There will always be meaning for money , though it changes over the generations .
People like having a way to distinguish themselves and money is the easiest of these to flash around .
Money will always have a place in society , even if we get to some highly enlightened place as a species ( which is unlikely in the next few millennia .
) We are a caste based species , whether we want to admit it or not , and money is the " new " deciding factor .
It wo n't go away any time soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There will always be meaning for money, though it changes over the generations.
People like having a way to distinguish themselves and money is the easiest of these to flash around.
Money will always have a place in society, even if we get to some highly enlightened place as a species (which is unlikely in the next few millennia.
)   We are a caste based species, whether we want to admit it or not, and money is the "new" deciding factor.
It won't go away any time soon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127812</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>misexistentialist</author>
	<datestamp>1258465440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think we'll have some sort of brain interface, like a waking wet dream, before a convincing robot; but really the future is now, since humans are biological robots, and can be programmed and used. While an actual robot would be easier to program, its lack of autonomy would ultimately be boring and alienating. Using a fembot might be fun, but it will still be masturbation up until the point where she gains consciousness and starts refusing sex, which is likely to tempt you into immoral actions like rape and murder in the absence of legal consequences.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think we 'll have some sort of brain interface , like a waking wet dream , before a convincing robot ; but really the future is now , since humans are biological robots , and can be programmed and used .
While an actual robot would be easier to program , its lack of autonomy would ultimately be boring and alienating .
Using a fembot might be fun , but it will still be masturbation up until the point where she gains consciousness and starts refusing sex , which is likely to tempt you into immoral actions like rape and murder in the absence of legal consequences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think we'll have some sort of brain interface, like a waking wet dream, before a convincing robot; but really the future is now, since humans are biological robots, and can be programmed and used.
While an actual robot would be easier to program, its lack of autonomy would ultimately be boring and alienating.
Using a fembot might be fun, but it will still be masturbation up until the point where she gains consciousness and starts refusing sex, which is likely to tempt you into immoral actions like rape and murder in the absence of legal consequences.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30129650</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1258476720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Heh.  An idea based on the misconceptions of a century ago, the one that says women can't really <i>enjoy</i> these things for their own sake in the way that a man can... though it's true that the pressures of "acceptable" in our society make it much harder for such a male robot to be viable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Heh .
An idea based on the misconceptions of a century ago , the one that says women ca n't really enjoy these things for their own sake in the way that a man can... though it 's true that the pressures of " acceptable " in our society make it much harder for such a male robot to be viable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heh.
An idea based on the misconceptions of a century ago, the one that says women can't really enjoy these things for their own sake in the way that a man can... though it's true that the pressures of "acceptable" in our society make it much harder for such a male robot to be viable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127494</id>
	<title>Re: reviving after freezing-impossible</title>
	<author>way2trivial</author>
	<datestamp>1258460040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Impossible is a big word--  temporize.</p><p>"Freezing essentially explodes the cell walls so there's nothing to revive."</p><p>Absolutely correct. The damage done in cryogenics happens at the start.  It's likely not correctable going down the road with a few hundred years technology.  Most substances reduce in volume when frozen/changed to a solid state,   Water is a substance which expands on freezing..<br>The expansion upon freezing comes from the fact that water crystallizes into an open hexagonal form. This hexagonal lattice contains more space than the liquid state.</p><p>is there no way to attack this problem, by either<br>1.expanding cell size to allow for the minute volume increase to not burst cells<br>2. replacing the water in the body with an exotic substitute<br>3. finding a different way to freeze the water in the cells</p><p>according to this <a href="http://polymer.bu.edu/hes/articles/ds03.pdf" title="bu.edu">http://polymer.bu.edu/hes/articles/ds03.pdf</a> [bu.edu]<br>which I get a really small fraction of -  some really low temperature states of water exist that do not require water becoming a crystal, but rather a glass..</p><p>so it's IMPOSSIBLE RIGHT NOW<br>--  it may yet be a way is found....  we''ve got what--  1129 days left???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Impossible is a big word-- temporize .
" Freezing essentially explodes the cell walls so there 's nothing to revive .
" Absolutely correct .
The damage done in cryogenics happens at the start .
It 's likely not correctable going down the road with a few hundred years technology .
Most substances reduce in volume when frozen/changed to a solid state , Water is a substance which expands on freezing..The expansion upon freezing comes from the fact that water crystallizes into an open hexagonal form .
This hexagonal lattice contains more space than the liquid state.is there no way to attack this problem , by either1.expanding cell size to allow for the minute volume increase to not burst cells2 .
replacing the water in the body with an exotic substitute3 .
finding a different way to freeze the water in the cellsaccording to this http : //polymer.bu.edu/hes/articles/ds03.pdf [ bu.edu ] which I get a really small fraction of - some really low temperature states of water exist that do not require water becoming a crystal , but rather a glass..so it 's IMPOSSIBLE RIGHT NOW-- it may yet be a way is found.... we ' 've got what-- 1129 days left ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Impossible is a big word--  temporize.
"Freezing essentially explodes the cell walls so there's nothing to revive.
"Absolutely correct.
The damage done in cryogenics happens at the start.
It's likely not correctable going down the road with a few hundred years technology.
Most substances reduce in volume when frozen/changed to a solid state,   Water is a substance which expands on freezing..The expansion upon freezing comes from the fact that water crystallizes into an open hexagonal form.
This hexagonal lattice contains more space than the liquid state.is there no way to attack this problem, by either1.expanding cell size to allow for the minute volume increase to not burst cells2.
replacing the water in the body with an exotic substitute3.
finding a different way to freeze the water in the cellsaccording to this http://polymer.bu.edu/hes/articles/ds03.pdf [bu.edu]which I get a really small fraction of -  some really low temperature states of water exist that do not require water becoming a crystal, but rather a glass..so it's IMPOSSIBLE RIGHT NOW--  it may yet be a way is found....  we''ve got what--  1129 days left??
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127372</id>
	<title>Dangerous gamble</title>
	<author>Kazymyr</author>
	<datestamp>1258458060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You may also wake up in the future just to find out that revolution has swept away all laws that made self-inheritance possible. So now you're broke, don't speak the language or understand society, and the only work you're apt for is the okral mines on Neptune. So you have to either slave away there to earn your existence or face the molecular disintegrator.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You may also wake up in the future just to find out that revolution has swept away all laws that made self-inheritance possible .
So now you 're broke , do n't speak the language or understand society , and the only work you 're apt for is the okral mines on Neptune .
So you have to either slave away there to earn your existence or face the molecular disintegrator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may also wake up in the future just to find out that revolution has swept away all laws that made self-inheritance possible.
So now you're broke, don't speak the language or understand society, and the only work you're apt for is the okral mines on Neptune.
So you have to either slave away there to earn your existence or face the molecular disintegrator.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30136032</id>
	<title>rule against perpetuities</title>
	<author>wrencherd</author>
	<datestamp>1258456620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This must run afoul of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule\_against\_perpetuities" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">rule against perpetuities</a> [wikipedia.org] in some way . . . doesn't everything?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This must run afoul of the rule against perpetuities [ wikipedia.org ] in some way .
. .
does n't everything ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This must run afoul of the rule against perpetuities [wikipedia.org] in some way .
. .
doesn't everything?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30130476</id>
	<title>Re:Cryo has got to be the most brilliant scam ever</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258480320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Of course it is a bad scam preying on old people. But there are many such scams. </i> </p><p>Burial is a bigger <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,532100,00.html?test=latestnews" title="foxnews.com" rel="nofollow">scam.</a> [foxnews.com]  We don't have  an infinite supply of land or the labor to maintain deathways.  Is cyro better?  It would be hard to be worse.  When I write my will (no wife/childrent) I will specify cremation and scattering.  Ashes to ashes...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course it is a bad scam preying on old people .
But there are many such scams .
Burial is a bigger scam .
[ foxnews.com ] We do n't have an infinite supply of land or the labor to maintain deathways .
Is cyro better ?
It would be hard to be worse .
When I write my will ( no wife/childrent ) I will specify cremation and scattering .
Ashes to ashes.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course it is a bad scam preying on old people.
But there are many such scams.
Burial is a bigger scam.
[foxnews.com]  We don't have  an infinite supply of land or the labor to maintain deathways.
Is cyro better?
It would be hard to be worse.
When I write my will (no wife/childrent) I will specify cremation and scattering.
Ashes to ashes...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126774</id>
	<title>Welcome to the world of tomorrow!</title>
	<author>DrugCheese</author>
	<datestamp>1258491480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shutup Terry</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Shutup Terry</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shutup Terry</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126306</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>JoshuaZ</author>
	<datestamp>1258398840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If your friends got frozen also then that won't be an issue. A related question, if there were a serious apocalyptic event say a nuclear war or a zombie attack or what have you. Would you kill yourself if you turned out to be one of the survivors? I suspect not even if everyone you know is dead. Don't underestimate the human will to live.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If your friends got frozen also then that wo n't be an issue .
A related question , if there were a serious apocalyptic event say a nuclear war or a zombie attack or what have you .
Would you kill yourself if you turned out to be one of the survivors ?
I suspect not even if everyone you know is dead .
Do n't underestimate the human will to live .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If your friends got frozen also then that won't be an issue.
A related question, if there were a serious apocalyptic event say a nuclear war or a zombie attack or what have you.
Would you kill yourself if you turned out to be one of the survivors?
I suspect not even if everyone you know is dead.
Don't underestimate the human will to live.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127846</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>JWSmythe</author>
	<datestamp>1258466160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It does sound like a great scam.  Give us your money, and we'll give it back to you with interest when you get undead.</p><p>Since they haven't exactly frozen and resurrected an abundance of people, the whole cryogenics thing is still a big scam.  I'd feel just as comfortable with letting a company keep a DNA sample of me to clone me with at some future date.  Oh, that won't really happen either.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Maybe I should get in on this scam.  I'll start an "insurance" company who keeps 10\% of the interest as a fee, so I have working capital for years to come.  Well, until I take all of the money and retire to a tropical island nation (which I'd own) with their money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does sound like a great scam .
Give us your money , and we 'll give it back to you with interest when you get undead.Since they have n't exactly frozen and resurrected an abundance of people , the whole cryogenics thing is still a big scam .
I 'd feel just as comfortable with letting a company keep a DNA sample of me to clone me with at some future date .
Oh , that wo n't really happen either .
: ) Maybe I should get in on this scam .
I 'll start an " insurance " company who keeps 10 \ % of the interest as a fee , so I have working capital for years to come .
Well , until I take all of the money and retire to a tropical island nation ( which I 'd own ) with their money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It does sound like a great scam.
Give us your money, and we'll give it back to you with interest when you get undead.Since they haven't exactly frozen and resurrected an abundance of people, the whole cryogenics thing is still a big scam.
I'd feel just as comfortable with letting a company keep a DNA sample of me to clone me with at some future date.
Oh, that won't really happen either.
:)Maybe I should get in on this scam.
I'll start an "insurance" company who keeps 10\% of the interest as a fee, so I have working capital for years to come.
Well, until I take all of the money and retire to a tropical island nation (which I'd own) with their money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127922</id>
	<title>cryogenic preservation ?</title>
	<author>Sam36</author>
	<datestamp>1258466820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would just rather die and go to heaven</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would just rather die and go to heaven</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would just rather die and go to heaven</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127234</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258456200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>lol, no difference for me then</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lol , no difference for me then</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lol, no difference for me then</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127696</id>
	<title>Not gonna work</title>
	<author>jeffasselin</author>
	<datestamp>1258463400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When the machine AIs destroy the Earth, we won't be able to cash in though. But we can become famous and rich by writing about life in the 21st century!</p><p>For those that don't get it, read Dan Simmon's Hyperion Cantos, learn about Martin Silenus, and refer to my signature.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When the machine AIs destroy the Earth , we wo n't be able to cash in though .
But we can become famous and rich by writing about life in the 21st century ! For those that do n't get it , read Dan Simmon 's Hyperion Cantos , learn about Martin Silenus , and refer to my signature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the machine AIs destroy the Earth, we won't be able to cash in though.
But we can become famous and rich by writing about life in the 21st century!For those that don't get it, read Dan Simmon's Hyperion Cantos, learn about Martin Silenus, and refer to my signature.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127220</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>Lord Lode</author>
	<datestamp>1258455900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would. A human can adapt to any environment. It's not like I'm so fixated on the life style I currently live, I could manage in a totally different environment, as long as it's a friendly one. Plus I'm curious and very interested in the future. Plus your friends can go in cryo too!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would .
A human can adapt to any environment .
It 's not like I 'm so fixated on the life style I currently live , I could manage in a totally different environment , as long as it 's a friendly one .
Plus I 'm curious and very interested in the future .
Plus your friends can go in cryo too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would.
A human can adapt to any environment.
It's not like I'm so fixated on the life style I currently live, I could manage in a totally different environment, as long as it's a friendly one.
Plus I'm curious and very interested in the future.
Plus your friends can go in cryo too!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127076</id>
	<title>Re:Completely impossible, reviving after freezing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258453200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><ol><li>No-one's talking about "simple freezing". Techniques are considerably more advanced than that. Not that I'm saying they're advanced enough yet for revival to be feasible, but at least know a <b>little</b> about what you're criticising.</li><li>Cloning is not a middle aged twin - well, not for 40 years or so anyway. It's a baby twin.</li></ol></htmltext>
<tokenext>No-one 's talking about " simple freezing " .
Techniques are considerably more advanced than that .
Not that I 'm saying they 're advanced enough yet for revival to be feasible , but at least know a little about what you 're criticising.Cloning is not a middle aged twin - well , not for 40 years or so anyway .
It 's a baby twin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No-one's talking about "simple freezing".
Techniques are considerably more advanced than that.
Not that I'm saying they're advanced enough yet for revival to be feasible, but at least know a little about what you're criticising.Cloning is not a middle aged twin - well, not for 40 years or so anyway.
It's a baby twin.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128236</id>
	<title>Re:don't hold your breath</title>
	<author>SirGarlon</author>
	<datestamp>1258469760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The main problem with cryogenics right now is that it is not possible to undo the damage caused by the cryogenic procedure.</p></div></blockquote><p>No, the main problem with cyrogenics right now is that frozen dead people can't be brought back to life, and there is no evidence this will ever change.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The main problem with cryogenics right now is that it is not possible to undo the damage caused by the cryogenic procedure.No , the main problem with cyrogenics right now is that frozen dead people ca n't be brought back to life , and there is no evidence this will ever change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The main problem with cryogenics right now is that it is not possible to undo the damage caused by the cryogenic procedure.No, the main problem with cyrogenics right now is that frozen dead people can't be brought back to life, and there is no evidence this will ever change.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128822</id>
	<title>Re:Completely impossible, reviving after freezing</title>
	<author>Isao</author>
	<datestamp>1258473060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are correct about freezing damage.  You are incorrect that cryonics uses freezing.  The process used is called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitrification" title="wikipedia.org">vitrification</a> [wikipedia.org], which avoids the freezing damage you are talking about.  Of course there's the biotoxicity of the vitrification chemicals, but one thing at a time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are correct about freezing damage .
You are incorrect that cryonics uses freezing .
The process used is called vitrification [ wikipedia.org ] , which avoids the freezing damage you are talking about .
Of course there 's the biotoxicity of the vitrification chemicals , but one thing at a time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are correct about freezing damage.
You are incorrect that cryonics uses freezing.
The process used is called vitrification [wikipedia.org], which avoids the freezing damage you are talking about.
Of course there's the biotoxicity of the vitrification chemicals, but one thing at a time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126248</id>
	<title>eternal life:  "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>reporter</author>
	<datestamp>1258398360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The ability to live forever is not necessarily something that everyone wants.
<p>
Suppose that you put yourself into cryogenic suspenion until the day that medical science is so advanced that it can revive you and restore you to the functionality of a 20-year-old adult.  Would you want such a life?  All your friends are dead.  All the reference points -- music, politics, bridge game on Saturday, local Buddhist temple on Sunday, etc. -- that gave you a sense of fitting into your society are long extinct or dead.  Would you want this life?
</p><p>
I would not.  I would choose death with the people of my generation over eternal life without meaning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The ability to live forever is not necessarily something that everyone wants .
Suppose that you put yourself into cryogenic suspenion until the day that medical science is so advanced that it can revive you and restore you to the functionality of a 20-year-old adult .
Would you want such a life ?
All your friends are dead .
All the reference points -- music , politics , bridge game on Saturday , local Buddhist temple on Sunday , etc .
-- that gave you a sense of fitting into your society are long extinct or dead .
Would you want this life ?
I would not .
I would choose death with the people of my generation over eternal life without meaning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ability to live forever is not necessarily something that everyone wants.
Suppose that you put yourself into cryogenic suspenion until the day that medical science is so advanced that it can revive you and restore you to the functionality of a 20-year-old adult.
Would you want such a life?
All your friends are dead.
All the reference points -- music, politics, bridge game on Saturday, local Buddhist temple on Sunday, etc.
-- that gave you a sense of fitting into your society are long extinct or dead.
Would you want this life?
I would not.
I would choose death with the people of my generation over eternal life without meaning.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128738</id>
	<title>Re:Completely impossible, reviving after freezing</title>
	<author>Pigeon451</author>
	<datestamp>1258472700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We freeze cells and keep them at -80C for future use. Most of the cells turn out to be viable and usable after the freeze/thaw cycle. I realize freezing a body is very different then cells, however, I would hesitate to say freezing a body or head is "impossible".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We freeze cells and keep them at -80C for future use .
Most of the cells turn out to be viable and usable after the freeze/thaw cycle .
I realize freezing a body is very different then cells , however , I would hesitate to say freezing a body or head is " impossible " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We freeze cells and keep them at -80C for future use.
Most of the cells turn out to be viable and usable after the freeze/thaw cycle.
I realize freezing a body is very different then cells, however, I would hesitate to say freezing a body or head is "impossible".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30129114</id>
	<title>OGM teh future...</title>
	<author>Wornstrom</author>
	<datestamp>1258474500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance.'"</p><p>yeah, like flying cars and anti-gravity belts, right?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance .
' " yeah , like flying cars and anti-gravity belts , right ?
: -P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance.
'"yeah, like flying cars and anti-gravity belts, right?
:-P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128922</id>
	<title>Re:There's an easier way</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1258473480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Trust me, just pack in a bunch of anchovies with you in the chamber--WAY more valuable than cash in the future.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Trust me , just pack in a bunch of anchovies with you in the chamber--WAY more valuable than cash in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trust me, just pack in a bunch of anchovies with you in the chamber--WAY more valuable than cash in the future.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126928</id>
	<title>Insurance co. says "YES PLEASE!"</title>
	<author>goodmanj</author>
	<datestamp>1258450380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So say I run an insurance company.  Someone comes to me and says they'll give me a pile of money on the condition I give them a huge payout after they return from the dead.  I know that the odds that they'll be back someday are essentially nil.  So basically, they want to give me free money.  YES PLEASE!</p><p>As a general rule, you shouldn't be surprised that insurance companies will insure you against X, if X is impossible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So say I run an insurance company .
Someone comes to me and says they 'll give me a pile of money on the condition I give them a huge payout after they return from the dead .
I know that the odds that they 'll be back someday are essentially nil .
So basically , they want to give me free money .
YES PLEASE ! As a general rule , you should n't be surprised that insurance companies will insure you against X , if X is impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So say I run an insurance company.
Someone comes to me and says they'll give me a pile of money on the condition I give them a huge payout after they return from the dead.
I know that the odds that they'll be back someday are essentially nil.
So basically, they want to give me free money.
YES PLEASE!As a general rule, you shouldn't be surprised that insurance companies will insure you against X, if X is impossible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30178394</id>
	<title>Re:DNF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258715460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you mean hurd 0.0.0.1\_prealpha\_1</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you mean hurd 0.0.0.1 \ _prealpha \ _1</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you mean hurd 0.0.0.1\_prealpha\_1</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30131904</id>
	<title>Re:don't hold your breath</title>
	<author>Tekfactory</author>
	<datestamp>1258485840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who cares about what you or I 'deserve'? Why couldn't I pay for the Cryonics, as well as set up a Trust or other Interest bearing tax deferred account and let the compound interest do its magic.</p><p>Where is the harm? You let somebody use your money, and they make money off of the money, the bank pays you a small sum for the inconvenience of tying up the funds.</p><p>I see someone beat me to the point about trusts, but its the notion that laws need to decide what people 'deserve' that galls me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who cares about what you or I 'deserve ' ?
Why could n't I pay for the Cryonics , as well as set up a Trust or other Interest bearing tax deferred account and let the compound interest do its magic.Where is the harm ?
You let somebody use your money , and they make money off of the money , the bank pays you a small sum for the inconvenience of tying up the funds.I see someone beat me to the point about trusts , but its the notion that laws need to decide what people 'deserve ' that galls me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who cares about what you or I 'deserve'?
Why couldn't I pay for the Cryonics, as well as set up a Trust or other Interest bearing tax deferred account and let the compound interest do its magic.Where is the harm?
You let somebody use your money, and they make money off of the money, the bank pays you a small sum for the inconvenience of tying up the funds.I see someone beat me to the point about trusts, but its the notion that laws need to decide what people 'deserve' that galls me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126390</id>
	<title>The Future Will be a Beautiful Place</title>
	<author>bistromath007</author>
	<datestamp>1258399740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It'll be pretty awesome when this actually works, and becomes popular, and inflation adjusts for the fact that thousands of people who have done nothing but use electricity for a century or two all have an amount of money equal to a sizable life insurance payout.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:V</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 'll be pretty awesome when this actually works , and becomes popular , and inflation adjusts for the fact that thousands of people who have done nothing but use electricity for a century or two all have an amount of money equal to a sizable life insurance payout .
: V</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It'll be pretty awesome when this actually works, and becomes popular, and inflation adjusts for the fact that thousands of people who have done nothing but use electricity for a century or two all have an amount of money equal to a sizable life insurance payout.
:V</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126418</id>
	<title>Hah.  As if.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258400160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Before you decide to put yourself on ice, listen to the "This American Life" podcast.</p><p><a href="http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio\_Episode.aspx?sched=1291" title="thisamericanlife.org">http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio\_Episode.aspx?sched=1291</a> [thisamericanlife.org]</p><p>Right.</p><p>Let me decompose into wormfood quietly, please.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Before you decide to put yourself on ice , listen to the " This American Life " podcast.http : //www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio \ _Episode.aspx ? sched = 1291 [ thisamericanlife.org ] Right.Let me decompose into wormfood quietly , please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before you decide to put yourself on ice, listen to the "This American Life" podcast.http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio\_Episode.aspx?sched=1291 [thisamericanlife.org]Right.Let me decompose into wormfood quietly, please.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30179496</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>whimsical.dog</author>
	<datestamp>1258720140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Im\_thatoneguy gets it right.  Objections -- knee jerk mostly -- boil down to "It's different, it's wrong, it'll never work."  A manifestation of the human instinct to view the "strange" with suspicion.

The good news is the "rejecters" will all die out, leaving more room for the "accepters".  Then, after a time cryonics and extended life will become the norm, and adherents of "the natural way" will become a cultural oddity like the Amish.

By the way, there is this default notion, accepted uncritically, that cryonic suspension is a "long shot" ie has a very low probability of success.  This is nothing more than presumptive, prejudicial nay-saying, derived as it is from the "It's never been done so it must be impossible" school(sic) of logic(sic), and should be deleted in favor of a more fact-based approach.

Consider:

So long as you have a certain minimum degree of cellular integrity, biological function will proceed, ie you will live.

Current suspension techniques (and rewarming techniques) cause a lethal degree of cellular damage.

This defines the problem: to live again you need to fix the damage.

Now, the good <a href="news:cryonic" title="cryonic" rel="nofollow">news:cryonic</a> [cryonic] suspension perfectly preserves the "client" effectively with no time limit -- five hundred, five thousand, five million years.  "No time limit" is a notion outside normal human experience, and needs pondering to get one's mind around the implications.  Let me help you to jump ahead.  All the technology that will come on stream in the next hundred, thousand, ten thousand, etc years is at your beck and call.

Cellular biology provides a proof of principle for the manipulation of biological structures at the molecular level.  The laws of physics clearly green light the repair of once-damaged cellular structures.  The road ahead is unobstructed.

From there it's little more than a numbers game.  How many scientists, how many engineers, how many iterations of Moore's law, before we have sufficiently mature nanotech and the computational power to apply it to the task?

Physics says "You have a go."  Time says "Take as long as you need."  And the trajectory of human technology is accelerating ever more rapidly in the right direction.

So now, with this (putative) logic- and fact-based approach (by all means, critique this as severely as you need) , what probability would you assign to the likelihood of a successful cryonics outcome?

My view: it's a near certainty.  (Technically.  If human screw-ups aren't factored in.  Yeah, I know, huge flippin "if".)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Im \ _thatoneguy gets it right .
Objections -- knee jerk mostly -- boil down to " It 's different , it 's wrong , it 'll never work .
" A manifestation of the human instinct to view the " strange " with suspicion .
The good news is the " rejecters " will all die out , leaving more room for the " accepters " .
Then , after a time cryonics and extended life will become the norm , and adherents of " the natural way " will become a cultural oddity like the Amish .
By the way , there is this default notion , accepted uncritically , that cryonic suspension is a " long shot " ie has a very low probability of success .
This is nothing more than presumptive , prejudicial nay-saying , derived as it is from the " It 's never been done so it must be impossible " school ( sic ) of logic ( sic ) , and should be deleted in favor of a more fact-based approach .
Consider : So long as you have a certain minimum degree of cellular integrity , biological function will proceed , ie you will live .
Current suspension techniques ( and rewarming techniques ) cause a lethal degree of cellular damage .
This defines the problem : to live again you need to fix the damage .
Now , the good news : cryonic [ cryonic ] suspension perfectly preserves the " client " effectively with no time limit -- five hundred , five thousand , five million years .
" No time limit " is a notion outside normal human experience , and needs pondering to get one 's mind around the implications .
Let me help you to jump ahead .
All the technology that will come on stream in the next hundred , thousand , ten thousand , etc years is at your beck and call .
Cellular biology provides a proof of principle for the manipulation of biological structures at the molecular level .
The laws of physics clearly green light the repair of once-damaged cellular structures .
The road ahead is unobstructed .
From there it 's little more than a numbers game .
How many scientists , how many engineers , how many iterations of Moore 's law , before we have sufficiently mature nanotech and the computational power to apply it to the task ?
Physics says " You have a go .
" Time says " Take as long as you need .
" And the trajectory of human technology is accelerating ever more rapidly in the right direction .
So now , with this ( putative ) logic- and fact-based approach ( by all means , critique this as severely as you need ) , what probability would you assign to the likelihood of a successful cryonics outcome ?
My view : it 's a near certainty .
( Technically. If human screw-ups are n't factored in .
Yeah , I know , huge flippin " if " .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Im\_thatoneguy gets it right.
Objections -- knee jerk mostly -- boil down to "It's different, it's wrong, it'll never work.
"  A manifestation of the human instinct to view the "strange" with suspicion.
The good news is the "rejecters" will all die out, leaving more room for the "accepters".
Then, after a time cryonics and extended life will become the norm, and adherents of "the natural way" will become a cultural oddity like the Amish.
By the way, there is this default notion, accepted uncritically, that cryonic suspension is a "long shot" ie has a very low probability of success.
This is nothing more than presumptive, prejudicial nay-saying, derived as it is from the "It's never been done so it must be impossible" school(sic) of logic(sic), and should be deleted in favor of a more fact-based approach.
Consider:

So long as you have a certain minimum degree of cellular integrity, biological function will proceed, ie you will live.
Current suspension techniques (and rewarming techniques) cause a lethal degree of cellular damage.
This defines the problem: to live again you need to fix the damage.
Now, the good news:cryonic [cryonic] suspension perfectly preserves the "client" effectively with no time limit -- five hundred, five thousand, five million years.
"No time limit" is a notion outside normal human experience, and needs pondering to get one's mind around the implications.
Let me help you to jump ahead.
All the technology that will come on stream in the next hundred, thousand, ten thousand, etc years is at your beck and call.
Cellular biology provides a proof of principle for the manipulation of biological structures at the molecular level.
The laws of physics clearly green light the repair of once-damaged cellular structures.
The road ahead is unobstructed.
From there it's little more than a numbers game.
How many scientists, how many engineers, how many iterations of Moore's law, before we have sufficiently mature nanotech and the computational power to apply it to the task?
Physics says "You have a go.
"  Time says "Take as long as you need.
"  And the trajectory of human technology is accelerating ever more rapidly in the right direction.
So now, with this (putative) logic- and fact-based approach (by all means, critique this as severely as you need) , what probability would you assign to the likelihood of a successful cryonics outcome?
My view: it's a near certainty.
(Technically.  If human screw-ups aren't factored in.
Yeah, I know, huge flippin "if".
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30132222</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258486860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's the point in that? The whole idea is for ME to live forever, not my clone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the point in that ?
The whole idea is for ME to live forever , not my clone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the point in that?
The whole idea is for ME to live forever, not my clone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128666</id>
	<title>Even if it's possible...</title>
	<author>drooling-dog</author>
	<datestamp>1258472340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even if it's possible, it's foolish to assume it would be without major risk. E.g., heart transplants are possible, but you're not going to be jumping off the operating table and going about your day the minute the surgeon's finished. Chances are you'd be in for all kinds of health problems - including neurological ones - after the thaw, and those will just be added to the fact that you were <i>dead</i> -- or nearly so --  when they froze you. So this is going to require quite a committment from future generations over which you have little control. <i>You</i> might find that to be a risk worth taking (if the alternative is death), but your fate will be in the hands of the living.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if it 's possible , it 's foolish to assume it would be without major risk .
E.g. , heart transplants are possible , but you 're not going to be jumping off the operating table and going about your day the minute the surgeon 's finished .
Chances are you 'd be in for all kinds of health problems - including neurological ones - after the thaw , and those will just be added to the fact that you were dead -- or nearly so -- when they froze you .
So this is going to require quite a committment from future generations over which you have little control .
You might find that to be a risk worth taking ( if the alternative is death ) , but your fate will be in the hands of the living .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if it's possible, it's foolish to assume it would be without major risk.
E.g., heart transplants are possible, but you're not going to be jumping off the operating table and going about your day the minute the surgeon's finished.
Chances are you'd be in for all kinds of health problems - including neurological ones - after the thaw, and those will just be added to the fact that you were dead -- or nearly so --  when they froze you.
So this is going to require quite a committment from future generations over which you have little control.
You might find that to be a risk worth taking (if the alternative is death), but your fate will be in the hands of the living.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128942</id>
	<title>Re:Completely impossible, reviving after freezing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258473600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not anymore.  Current cryonics procedures are based on vitrification, which preserves tissue with relatively little damage.  As I understand it, much of the inability to revive a vitrified being comes from the fact that the chemicals used to facilitate the vitrification process are toxic, and as of yet we lack a good way to extract them from the system.

<a href="http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2009/10/this-is-your-brain-on-cryonics/" title="acceleratingfuture.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2009/10/this-is-your-brain-on-cryonics/</a> [acceleratingfuture.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not anymore .
Current cryonics procedures are based on vitrification , which preserves tissue with relatively little damage .
As I understand it , much of the inability to revive a vitrified being comes from the fact that the chemicals used to facilitate the vitrification process are toxic , and as of yet we lack a good way to extract them from the system .
http : //www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2009/10/this-is-your-brain-on-cryonics/ [ acceleratingfuture.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not anymore.
Current cryonics procedures are based on vitrification, which preserves tissue with relatively little damage.
As I understand it, much of the inability to revive a vitrified being comes from the fact that the chemicals used to facilitate the vitrification process are toxic, and as of yet we lack a good way to extract them from the system.
http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2009/10/this-is-your-brain-on-cryonics/ [acceleratingfuture.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128560</id>
	<title>My fear</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1258471800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See, my fear is this:</p><p>The planet can support but so many people.  We're already a bit high up on the scale there.  Unless we stop breeding (unlikely), people HAVE to die to make room for new ones.</p><p>Who's to say that in 500 years they legislate that all cyrogenically frozen patients are to be disposed of due to population concerns - or not awaken unless absolutely necessary.  You're putting a hell of a bit of faith into the ongoing maintenance of your body into the hands of future generations who might not give a damn - or may even actively dislike the concept.  It's an incredibly vulnerable position to accept, and I'd say a gamble that you might not win.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See , my fear is this : The planet can support but so many people .
We 're already a bit high up on the scale there .
Unless we stop breeding ( unlikely ) , people HAVE to die to make room for new ones.Who 's to say that in 500 years they legislate that all cyrogenically frozen patients are to be disposed of due to population concerns - or not awaken unless absolutely necessary .
You 're putting a hell of a bit of faith into the ongoing maintenance of your body into the hands of future generations who might not give a damn - or may even actively dislike the concept .
It 's an incredibly vulnerable position to accept , and I 'd say a gamble that you might not win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See, my fear is this:The planet can support but so many people.
We're already a bit high up on the scale there.
Unless we stop breeding (unlikely), people HAVE to die to make room for new ones.Who's to say that in 500 years they legislate that all cyrogenically frozen patients are to be disposed of due to population concerns - or not awaken unless absolutely necessary.
You're putting a hell of a bit of faith into the ongoing maintenance of your body into the hands of future generations who might not give a damn - or may even actively dislike the concept.
It's an incredibly vulnerable position to accept, and I'd say a gamble that you might not win.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126920</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>TooMuchToDo</author>
	<datestamp>1258450200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Futurama highlighted your exact argument =)
<p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I\_Dated\_a\_Robot" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I\_Dated\_a\_Robot</a> [wikipedia.org] </p><p><div class="quote"><p>Fry and the Lucy Liu robot begin dating, aided by her being programmed to like Fry. The other Planet Express employees, concerned about his relationship, show him the standard middle-school film (similar to Boys Beware) that predicts the destruction of civilization if humans date robots. Unfortunately, Fry ignores the movie and keeps making out with his Lucy Liubot.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Futurama highlighted your exact argument = ) http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I \ _Dated \ _a \ _Robot [ wikipedia.org ] Fry and the Lucy Liu robot begin dating , aided by her being programmed to like Fry .
The other Planet Express employees , concerned about his relationship , show him the standard middle-school film ( similar to Boys Beware ) that predicts the destruction of civilization if humans date robots .
Unfortunately , Fry ignores the movie and keeps making out with his Lucy Liubot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Futurama highlighted your exact argument =)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I\_Dated\_a\_Robot [wikipedia.org] Fry and the Lucy Liu robot begin dating, aided by her being programmed to like Fry.
The other Planet Express employees, concerned about his relationship, show him the standard middle-school film (similar to Boys Beware) that predicts the destruction of civilization if humans date robots.
Unfortunately, Fry ignores the movie and keeps making out with his Lucy Liubot.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126368</id>
	<title>hah..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258399380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your cryogenic machine will be unplugged by some of the 78 trillion inhabitants of earth and your body will be used for food. Power shortages will have already rendered your flesh ripe and unpalatable, but you will be consumed regardless.  <br>
But worry not, your fortunes would have been confiscated by the corrupt state, and were you to be revived, you would owe a small fortune for the "maintenance" of your rotted corpse, despite the fact that your machine has too been cannibalized for it's parts and scrap.<br>
Had you awoken in the future, you'd have felt you left a virtual paradise, for a poisoned and hellish war zone, your debilitated body and mind only barely aware that the band of rogues that revived you only did so for profit, and are holding you hostage, with yourself as the source of ransom. When it's found you are without value, your decayed body will be allowed to die it's second and final death.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your cryogenic machine will be unplugged by some of the 78 trillion inhabitants of earth and your body will be used for food .
Power shortages will have already rendered your flesh ripe and unpalatable , but you will be consumed regardless .
But worry not , your fortunes would have been confiscated by the corrupt state , and were you to be revived , you would owe a small fortune for the " maintenance " of your rotted corpse , despite the fact that your machine has too been cannibalized for it 's parts and scrap .
Had you awoken in the future , you 'd have felt you left a virtual paradise , for a poisoned and hellish war zone , your debilitated body and mind only barely aware that the band of rogues that revived you only did so for profit , and are holding you hostage , with yourself as the source of ransom .
When it 's found you are without value , your decayed body will be allowed to die it 's second and final death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your cryogenic machine will be unplugged by some of the 78 trillion inhabitants of earth and your body will be used for food.
Power shortages will have already rendered your flesh ripe and unpalatable, but you will be consumed regardless.
But worry not, your fortunes would have been confiscated by the corrupt state, and were you to be revived, you would owe a small fortune for the "maintenance" of your rotted corpse, despite the fact that your machine has too been cannibalized for it's parts and scrap.
Had you awoken in the future, you'd have felt you left a virtual paradise, for a poisoned and hellish war zone, your debilitated body and mind only barely aware that the band of rogues that revived you only did so for profit, and are holding you hostage, with yourself as the source of ransom.
When it's found you are without value, your decayed body will be allowed to die it's second and final death.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30131224</id>
	<title>A future of over-abundance?</title>
	<author>Tybalt\_Capulet</author>
	<datestamp>1258483740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like how most people think all of our problems will be solved in the future instead of thinking that some of our problems will be solved, and then we get new ones. WHich, by the way, is generally what happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like how most people think all of our problems will be solved in the future instead of thinking that some of our problems will be solved , and then we get new ones .
WHich , by the way , is generally what happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like how most people think all of our problems will be solved in the future instead of thinking that some of our problems will be solved, and then we get new ones.
WHich, by the way, is generally what happens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30130770</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>uberjack</author>
	<datestamp>1258481640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the bigger question is, will they have a cure for Bone-itis, or not?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the bigger question is , will they have a cure for Bone-itis , or not ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the bigger question is, will they have a cure for Bone-itis, or not?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126354</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>mxh83</author>
	<datestamp>1258399200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>My answer- "yes".  I would give anything to experience the world 200 years from now even if it means starting off with nothing.  And if I'm that disappointed with "social issues" there's always the option that exists today to end it.  Don't generalize.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My answer- " yes " .
I would give anything to experience the world 200 years from now even if it means starting off with nothing .
And if I 'm that disappointed with " social issues " there 's always the option that exists today to end it .
Do n't generalize .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My answer- "yes".
I would give anything to experience the world 200 years from now even if it means starting off with nothing.
And if I'm that disappointed with "social issues" there's always the option that exists today to end it.
Don't generalize.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126570</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258488480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, if you're getting frozen, with obvious intent (it's in your will!) to get the money, isn't that insurance fraud and they don't have to pay anyway?  Sort of the same as trying to acquire a bunch of insurance and then committing suicide..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , if you 're getting frozen , with obvious intent ( it 's in your will !
) to get the money , is n't that insurance fraud and they do n't have to pay anyway ?
Sort of the same as trying to acquire a bunch of insurance and then committing suicide. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, if you're getting frozen, with obvious intent (it's in your will!
) to get the money, isn't that insurance fraud and they don't have to pay anyway?
Sort of the same as trying to acquire a bunch of insurance and then committing suicide..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30139018</id>
	<title>Re:hidden treasure then</title>
	<author>shadowbearer</author>
	<datestamp>1258474380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; Then 146 years after you are frozen,  gold becomes a common commodity due to technology being able to retrieve it from deep in the earth's crust, or from asteroids, or it loses it's value completely to other rare metals or... ?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>
&nbsp; I suspect that the most valuable thing a corpsicle could have after hundreds of years, assuming it could be revived and have full memory and faculties, would likely be first hand<br>knowledge of what society was like during it's previous existence.  Only valuable to historians, perhaps, but when one considers what ancient texts can be worth...</p><p>SB</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>  Then 146 years after you are frozen , gold becomes a common commodity due to technology being able to retrieve it from deep in the earth 's crust , or from asteroids , or it loses it 's value completely to other rare metals or... ? ; )   I suspect that the most valuable thing a corpsicle could have after hundreds of years , assuming it could be revived and have full memory and faculties , would likely be first handknowledge of what society was like during it 's previous existence .
Only valuable to historians , perhaps , but when one considers what ancient texts can be worth...SB  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>
  Then 146 years after you are frozen,  gold becomes a common commodity due to technology being able to retrieve it from deep in the earth's crust, or from asteroids, or it loses it's value completely to other rare metals or... ? ;)
  I suspect that the most valuable thing a corpsicle could have after hundreds of years, assuming it could be revived and have full memory and faculties, would likely be first handknowledge of what society was like during it's previous existence.
Only valuable to historians, perhaps, but when one considers what ancient texts can be worth...SB
 </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30132414</id>
	<title>Re:The Door into Summer</title>
	<author>geek2k5</author>
	<datestamp>1258487520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was wondering if someone was going to mention that the idea is an old one.

Now if they would only get into the mass production of gold business and better bots.  We already have a much better version of Drafting Dan.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was wondering if someone was going to mention that the idea is an old one .
Now if they would only get into the mass production of gold business and better bots .
We already have a much better version of Drafting Dan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was wondering if someone was going to mention that the idea is an old one.
Now if they would only get into the mass production of gold business and better bots.
We already have a much better version of Drafting Dan.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128024</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258467900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not worried As an experienced ex-cobol programmer - Insurance companies will be resurrecting me for tens of thousands of years into the future to fix their systems wether I want it or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not worried As an experienced ex-cobol programmer - Insurance companies will be resurrecting me for tens of thousands of years into the future to fix their systems wether I want it or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not worried As an experienced ex-cobol programmer - Insurance companies will be resurrecting me for tens of thousands of years into the future to fix their systems wether I want it or not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30140544</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1258487160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmmm, lots of people over 90 can't wait for death. Dunno how many, dunno whether it's because of their quality of life or because of how long it lasted, but I'd suggest you wait until you're 100 before you wish to live 100 times longer. It's like all those people in their 20s and 30s claiming that life is short. Maybe it is if you get hit by a mad truck at the age of 14, but some people out there have lived through WWI, I mean shit, even Zsa Zsa Gabor and Kirk Douglas are still alive. I wouldn't call their lives short. And maybe it's even less short if you get to do anything you could have done and accomplished in your life long before you die.

</p><p>Instead of worrying about how long you live, perhaps you should worry about what you do with your life for the time you can conservatively expect it to last, so maybe on your deathbed you'll have no regrets and will be only looking forward to see what happens next. You might be surprised.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm , lots of people over 90 ca n't wait for death .
Dunno how many , dunno whether it 's because of their quality of life or because of how long it lasted , but I 'd suggest you wait until you 're 100 before you wish to live 100 times longer .
It 's like all those people in their 20s and 30s claiming that life is short .
Maybe it is if you get hit by a mad truck at the age of 14 , but some people out there have lived through WWI , I mean shit , even Zsa Zsa Gabor and Kirk Douglas are still alive .
I would n't call their lives short .
And maybe it 's even less short if you get to do anything you could have done and accomplished in your life long before you die .
Instead of worrying about how long you live , perhaps you should worry about what you do with your life for the time you can conservatively expect it to last , so maybe on your deathbed you 'll have no regrets and will be only looking forward to see what happens next .
You might be surprised .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm, lots of people over 90 can't wait for death.
Dunno how many, dunno whether it's because of their quality of life or because of how long it lasted, but I'd suggest you wait until you're 100 before you wish to live 100 times longer.
It's like all those people in their 20s and 30s claiming that life is short.
Maybe it is if you get hit by a mad truck at the age of 14, but some people out there have lived through WWI, I mean shit, even Zsa Zsa Gabor and Kirk Douglas are still alive.
I wouldn't call their lives short.
And maybe it's even less short if you get to do anything you could have done and accomplished in your life long before you die.
Instead of worrying about how long you live, perhaps you should worry about what you do with your life for the time you can conservatively expect it to last, so maybe on your deathbed you'll have no regrets and will be only looking forward to see what happens next.
You might be surprised.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30129142</id>
	<title>Re:Niven</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258474740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Niven already postulated that the courts will have long ago disallowed the dead from owning property. It simply wasn't fair to the heirs. (World Enough and Time, I think)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Niven already postulated that the courts will have long ago disallowed the dead from owning property .
It simply was n't fair to the heirs .
( World Enough and Time , I think )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Niven already postulated that the courts will have long ago disallowed the dead from owning property.
It simply wasn't fair to the heirs.
(World Enough and Time, I think)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127226</id>
	<title>Copsic</title>
	<author>rpjs</author>
	<datestamp>1258456020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These guys should go read Larry Niven's novel <i> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A\_World\_Out\_of\_Time" title="wikipedia.org">A World Out of Time</a> [wikipedia.org] </i> and decide if they still think being cryogenically frozen is a good idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These guys should go read Larry Niven 's novel A World Out of Time [ wikipedia.org ] and decide if they still think being cryogenically frozen is a good idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These guys should go read Larry Niven's novel  A World Out of Time [wikipedia.org]  and decide if they still think being cryogenically frozen is a good idea.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30130294</id>
	<title>Re:Completely impossible, reviving after freezing</title>
	<author>seven of five</author>
	<datestamp>1258479420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Freezing essentially explodes the cell walls so there's nothing to revive. </i> <br>
Cells <a href="http://www.merkle.com/cryo/techFeas.html#FREEZING" title="merkle.com">dehydrate</a> [merkle.com].<br> <br>Please keep in mind that thousands of people are walking around TODAY who were once frozen... as embryos.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Freezing essentially explodes the cell walls so there 's nothing to revive .
Cells dehydrate [ merkle.com ] .
Please keep in mind that thousands of people are walking around TODAY who were once frozen... as embryos .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Freezing essentially explodes the cell walls so there's nothing to revive.
Cells dehydrate [merkle.com].
Please keep in mind that thousands of people are walking around TODAY who were once frozen... as embryos.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30138076</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1258466520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You <b>were</b> legally dead according to the law at the time you died and when you "used" the funds paid by insurance company to finance your cryogenic preservantion.</p><p>A technicality, sure. It could be quite easily changed by lobbyists at some point in the far future (likely when the problem will surface "at the other end"), sure. But with no <i>easy</i> "out" in our case - it appears it would require the abolision of <i>paremia lex retro non agit.</i> Which would be far less trivial...</p><p>Unless the life insurance deals are already worded in "permament death" way, etc....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You were legally dead according to the law at the time you died and when you " used " the funds paid by insurance company to finance your cryogenic preservantion.A technicality , sure .
It could be quite easily changed by lobbyists at some point in the far future ( likely when the problem will surface " at the other end " ) , sure .
But with no easy " out " in our case - it appears it would require the abolision of paremia lex retro non agit .
Which would be far less trivial...Unless the life insurance deals are already worded in " permament death " way , etc... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You were legally dead according to the law at the time you died and when you "used" the funds paid by insurance company to finance your cryogenic preservantion.A technicality, sure.
It could be quite easily changed by lobbyists at some point in the far future (likely when the problem will surface "at the other end"), sure.
But with no easy "out" in our case - it appears it would require the abolision of paremia lex retro non agit.
Which would be far less trivial...Unless the life insurance deals are already worded in "permament death" way, etc....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126736</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30129052</id>
	<title>Re:Cryo has got to be the most brilliant scam ever</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1258474200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not a scam, it's just a burial option (doesn't even cost much more than most other burial options) that may or may not be less creepy to you than the other burial options.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not a scam , it 's just a burial option ( does n't even cost much more than most other burial options ) that may or may not be less creepy to you than the other burial options .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not a scam, it's just a burial option (doesn't even cost much more than most other burial options) that may or may not be less creepy to you than the other burial options.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126520</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126286</id>
	<title>anonymous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258398720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great! no problem with the cash, if we are alive we'll surely think up something. If you have the brains, money is no problem.</p><p>Wemaster<br>www.thisismyindia.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great !
no problem with the cash , if we are alive we 'll surely think up something .
If you have the brains , money is no problem.Wemasterwww.thisismyindia.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great!
no problem with the cash, if we are alive we'll surely think up something.
If you have the brains, money is no problem.Wemasterwww.thisismyindia.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127438</id>
	<title>Re:Completely impossible, reviving after freezing</title>
	<author>RadioElectric</author>
	<datestamp>1258459020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Also note, the important part of the brain is the structure. As long as it's kept intact, the memories and personality remain intact as well."

Oh Jesus...

No. Just no.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Also note , the important part of the brain is the structure .
As long as it 's kept intact , the memories and personality remain intact as well .
" Oh Jesus.. . No. Just no .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Also note, the important part of the brain is the structure.
As long as it's kept intact, the memories and personality remain intact as well.
"

Oh Jesus...

No. Just no.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127020</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128904</id>
	<title>Language Change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258473420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Say you are able to be revived from cryo-statis.  More than likely you wouldn't even be able to communicate with anyone, but your colleges unfrozen with you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Say you are able to be revived from cryo-statis .
More than likely you would n't even be able to communicate with anyone , but your colleges unfrozen with you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Say you are able to be revived from cryo-statis.
More than likely you wouldn't even be able to communicate with anyone, but your colleges unfrozen with you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128048</id>
	<title>Re:Completely impossible, reviving after freezing</title>
	<author>LordKronos</author>
	<datestamp>1258468080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. If this sort of thing is every possible, it won't so much the thawing part that we need to perfect but the freezing process. This would be like holding onto corrupt data in case we ever come up with a better error correction algorithm. Chances are it will be pointless because the better algorithm would have to have been applied before the problem occurred.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
If this sort of thing is every possible , it wo n't so much the thawing part that we need to perfect but the freezing process .
This would be like holding onto corrupt data in case we ever come up with a better error correction algorithm .
Chances are it will be pointless because the better algorithm would have to have been applied before the problem occurred .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
If this sort of thing is every possible, it won't so much the thawing part that we need to perfect but the freezing process.
This would be like holding onto corrupt data in case we ever come up with a better error correction algorithm.
Chances are it will be pointless because the better algorithm would have to have been applied before the problem occurred.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126292</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30140008</id>
	<title>Re:Key legal obstacle</title>
	<author>argorg</author>
	<datestamp>1258482000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IANAL also but isn't this particular case one that you could risk typing:


I'm sure this will work for you.  I'm a fully qualified multi-jurisdiction attorney and agree to be bonded to guarantee this without exception.

Go ahead, freeze yourself and I will personally reimburse you the insurance benefit plus 20\% plus all litigation costs.

Please contact my estate should any problem arise:

Guy Who's Not a Lawyer But Somehow Still Willing to Vow His All for You,
Urn 38,
Cemetary</htmltext>
<tokenext>IANAL also but is n't this particular case one that you could risk typing : I 'm sure this will work for you .
I 'm a fully qualified multi-jurisdiction attorney and agree to be bonded to guarantee this without exception .
Go ahead , freeze yourself and I will personally reimburse you the insurance benefit plus 20 \ % plus all litigation costs .
Please contact my estate should any problem arise : Guy Who 's Not a Lawyer But Somehow Still Willing to Vow His All for You , Urn 38 , Cemetary</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IANAL also but isn't this particular case one that you could risk typing:


I'm sure this will work for you.
I'm a fully qualified multi-jurisdiction attorney and agree to be bonded to guarantee this without exception.
Go ahead, freeze yourself and I will personally reimburse you the insurance benefit plus 20\% plus all litigation costs.
Please contact my estate should any problem arise:

Guy Who's Not a Lawyer But Somehow Still Willing to Vow His All for You,
Urn 38,
Cemetary</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126320</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127660</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>Rennt</author>
	<datestamp>1258462860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Two problems with your theory.<br>
A) You make the classic geek mistake of overstating the difference between men and women.<br>
B) You have completely ignored the history of the sex toy industry, and who its primary customers are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Two problems with your theory .
A ) You make the classic geek mistake of overstating the difference between men and women .
B ) You have completely ignored the history of the sex toy industry , and who its primary customers are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two problems with your theory.
A) You make the classic geek mistake of overstating the difference between men and women.
B) You have completely ignored the history of the sex toy industry, and who its primary customers are.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126524</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127764</id>
	<title>Re:There's an easier way</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1258464660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just be sure to <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss5CCrUBwbg" title="youtube.com">turn your lights off before you go</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just be sure to turn your lights off before you go [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just be sure to turn your lights off before you go [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126322</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126522</id>
	<title>Re:Money rusts</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1258401540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You could get coin collectors to buy your money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could get coin collectors to buy your money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could get coin collectors to buy your money.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126394</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30141452</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>gavri</author>
	<datestamp>1257073860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your idea is about as appealing (and almost the same as) leaving all my money to an identical twin I've never known and never met. In fact, it's even less appealing. This twin lives in a different time and would be much more different to me than an actual identical twin would be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your idea is about as appealing ( and almost the same as ) leaving all my money to an identical twin I 've never known and never met .
In fact , it 's even less appealing .
This twin lives in a different time and would be much more different to me than an actual identical twin would be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your idea is about as appealing (and almost the same as) leaving all my money to an identical twin I've never known and never met.
In fact, it's even less appealing.
This twin lives in a different time and would be much more different to me than an actual identical twin would be.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126524</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126446</id>
	<title>The Door into Summer</title>
	<author>fractalVisionz</author>
	<datestamp>1258400520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Looks like Heinlein was right again.<br> <br>Time to buy some more Hired Girl stock!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like Heinlein was right again .
Time to buy some more Hired Girl stock !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like Heinlein was right again.
Time to buy some more Hired Girl stock!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30129924</id>
	<title>only the living have property rights</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1258477740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Under western law. The reason that governments want their cut of taxes eventually. A "trust" is a legal mechanism for the non-living  (guardianships, wills foundations, corporations, etc.) to hold property.  But there is needs to be a living beneficiary or a limited extensions (typically 30 years) beyond those currently alive, i.e your "great" relatives. A John Rockefellor or Joe Kennedy could not control the behavior of their descendents indefinately unless each generation agrees to regenerate the trust.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Under western law .
The reason that governments want their cut of taxes eventually .
A " trust " is a legal mechanism for the non-living ( guardianships , wills foundations , corporations , etc .
) to hold property .
But there is needs to be a living beneficiary or a limited extensions ( typically 30 years ) beyond those currently alive , i.e your " great " relatives .
A John Rockefellor or Joe Kennedy could not control the behavior of their descendents indefinately unless each generation agrees to regenerate the trust .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Under western law.
The reason that governments want their cut of taxes eventually.
A "trust" is a legal mechanism for the non-living  (guardianships, wills foundations, corporations, etc.
) to hold property.
But there is needs to be a living beneficiary or a limited extensions (typically 30 years) beyond those currently alive, i.e your "great" relatives.
A John Rockefellor or Joe Kennedy could not control the behavior of their descendents indefinately unless each generation agrees to regenerate the trust.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126976</id>
	<title>I was frozen today!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258451460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQZX64Z2-3I" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQZX64Z2-3I</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = oQZX64Z2-3I [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQZX64Z2-3I [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127684</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258463100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OTOH - The insurance companies probably realize that no amount of deep freezing will prevent water from crystallizing and destroying the body at the cellular level.  Who keeps the money when the corpsicle can't be revived?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OTOH - The insurance companies probably realize that no amount of deep freezing will prevent water from crystallizing and destroying the body at the cellular level .
Who keeps the money when the corpsicle ca n't be revived ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OTOH - The insurance companies probably realize that no amount of deep freezing will prevent water from crystallizing and destroying the body at the cellular level.
Who keeps the money when the corpsicle can't be revived?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126204</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128058</id>
	<title>Re:Why would one want to come back?</title>
	<author>linuxguy</author>
	<datestamp>1258468200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; It's incredibly boring and pointless.</p><p>Why then, do you continue to live?  If you can provide one reason, that might begin to explain why the rest of us want to live forever.</p><p>Some of us enjoy life and all that it has to offer.  If all the various challenges related to extending life could be resolved one day, we would opt for it in a heartbeat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; It 's incredibly boring and pointless.Why then , do you continue to live ?
If you can provide one reason , that might begin to explain why the rest of us want to live forever.Some of us enjoy life and all that it has to offer .
If all the various challenges related to extending life could be resolved one day , we would opt for it in a heartbeat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; It's incredibly boring and pointless.Why then, do you continue to live?
If you can provide one reason, that might begin to explain why the rest of us want to live forever.Some of us enjoy life and all that it has to offer.
If all the various challenges related to extending life could be resolved one day, we would opt for it in a heartbeat.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127376</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127448</id>
	<title>Re:Cryo has got to be the most brilliant scam ever</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258459200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Of course it is a bad scam preying on old people.</i></p><p>How is it any different from the graveyard scam? What's the difference between paying someone to mow the grass over your coffin and polish your tombstone compared to paying someone to power and maintain a freezer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course it is a bad scam preying on old people.How is it any different from the graveyard scam ?
What 's the difference between paying someone to mow the grass over your coffin and polish your tombstone compared to paying someone to power and maintain a freezer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course it is a bad scam preying on old people.How is it any different from the graveyard scam?
What's the difference between paying someone to mow the grass over your coffin and polish your tombstone compared to paying someone to power and maintain a freezer?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126520</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127832</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>AmiMoJo</author>
	<datestamp>1258465920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can hide a vibrator/baby oil/pr0n quite easily but it is kinda hard to hide a fembot...</p><p>I'd go for a holodeck. You could even have the intelligent woman part in there. Plus, no need to clean up afterwards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can hide a vibrator/baby oil/pr0n quite easily but it is kinda hard to hide a fembot...I 'd go for a holodeck .
You could even have the intelligent woman part in there .
Plus , no need to clean up afterwards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can hide a vibrator/baby oil/pr0n quite easily but it is kinda hard to hide a fembot...I'd go for a holodeck.
You could even have the intelligent woman part in there.
Plus, no need to clean up afterwards.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126524</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30130396</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258479900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DONT DATE ROBOTS!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DONT DATE ROBOTS !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DONT DATE ROBOTS!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126524</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30131162</id>
	<title>Re:Niven</title>
	<author>evilWurst</author>
	<datestamp>1258483500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was thinking about those Niven stories when I saw the blurb on the front page, and that's why I clicked to see comments.</p><p>In the Niven stories, basically, as more people got frozen, the number of their potential heirs increased, until eventually they got the corpsicles declared legally dead so they could get the money for themselves.</p><p>Later, it was possible to sometimes harvest organs from the frozen corpses, so this was also done. And later still, when it was possible to revive some of them, since they were legally dead they had no rights...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking about those Niven stories when I saw the blurb on the front page , and that 's why I clicked to see comments.In the Niven stories , basically , as more people got frozen , the number of their potential heirs increased , until eventually they got the corpsicles declared legally dead so they could get the money for themselves.Later , it was possible to sometimes harvest organs from the frozen corpses , so this was also done .
And later still , when it was possible to revive some of them , since they were legally dead they had no rights.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was thinking about those Niven stories when I saw the blurb on the front page, and that's why I clicked to see comments.In the Niven stories, basically, as more people got frozen, the number of their potential heirs increased, until eventually they got the corpsicles declared legally dead so they could get the money for themselves.Later, it was possible to sometimes harvest organs from the frozen corpses, so this was also done.
And later still, when it was possible to revive some of them, since they were legally dead they had no rights...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126486</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127784</id>
	<title>Re:Cryo has got to be the most brilliant scam ever</title>
	<author>bkr1\_2k</author>
	<datestamp>1258465080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Even if micro biology advances it will not be possible because freezing tissue destroys all the cells and turns everything into mush.</i></p><p>This is an honest question... why do people keep saying this?  Frozen meat is still meat when it's thawed, it hasn't lost anything except "life" as we understand it.  It still has the same texture, it still has the same consistency, and, if you pass a current through it, the muscle will still contract in some cases.</p><p>Please explain what it means to "turn everything into mush" because I seem to be missing something.</p><p>I don't think cryogenics will work, even if we get to a point where we could "bring back the dead" because I believe it will simply be a case of zombieland at that point, but that's a whole different subject matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if micro biology advances it will not be possible because freezing tissue destroys all the cells and turns everything into mush.This is an honest question... why do people keep saying this ?
Frozen meat is still meat when it 's thawed , it has n't lost anything except " life " as we understand it .
It still has the same texture , it still has the same consistency , and , if you pass a current through it , the muscle will still contract in some cases.Please explain what it means to " turn everything into mush " because I seem to be missing something.I do n't think cryogenics will work , even if we get to a point where we could " bring back the dead " because I believe it will simply be a case of zombieland at that point , but that 's a whole different subject matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if micro biology advances it will not be possible because freezing tissue destroys all the cells and turns everything into mush.This is an honest question... why do people keep saying this?
Frozen meat is still meat when it's thawed, it hasn't lost anything except "life" as we understand it.
It still has the same texture, it still has the same consistency, and, if you pass a current through it, the muscle will still contract in some cases.Please explain what it means to "turn everything into mush" because I seem to be missing something.I don't think cryogenics will work, even if we get to a point where we could "bring back the dead" because I believe it will simply be a case of zombieland at that point, but that's a whole different subject matter.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126520</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126466</id>
	<title>Re:Key legal obstacle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258400700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The rule against perpetuities is not as ironclad as it used to be in the classic common law times. There are a lot of statutory exceptions and some states have even completely abolished the rule.</p><p>I think the bigger problem is to find a way to make your re-created self be the beneficiary. There is absolutely no legal concept of someone dying and then reviving. And usually (although i am not 1oo\% sure) if you make yourself the only beneficiary of a trust, the trust will get invalidated as a sham trust.</p><p>Oh yes, this is not legal advice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The rule against perpetuities is not as ironclad as it used to be in the classic common law times .
There are a lot of statutory exceptions and some states have even completely abolished the rule.I think the bigger problem is to find a way to make your re-created self be the beneficiary .
There is absolutely no legal concept of someone dying and then reviving .
And usually ( although i am not 1oo \ % sure ) if you make yourself the only beneficiary of a trust , the trust will get invalidated as a sham trust.Oh yes , this is not legal advice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The rule against perpetuities is not as ironclad as it used to be in the classic common law times.
There are a lot of statutory exceptions and some states have even completely abolished the rule.I think the bigger problem is to find a way to make your re-created self be the beneficiary.
There is absolutely no legal concept of someone dying and then reviving.
And usually (although i am not 1oo\% sure) if you make yourself the only beneficiary of a trust, the trust will get invalidated as a sham trust.Oh yes, this is not legal advice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126302</id>
	<title>Yeah right</title>
	<author>Orionn2000au</author>
	<datestamp>1258398780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance."</i>
<br> <br>
Uh huh, sure. And we'll all have flying cars, and we won't need to work because we will have created new ways produce food. And there'll be no wars, and free ice-cream.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance .
" Uh huh , sure .
And we 'll all have flying cars , and we wo n't need to work because we will have created new ways produce food .
And there 'll be no wars , and free ice-cream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance.
"
 
Uh huh, sure.
And we'll all have flying cars, and we won't need to work because we will have created new ways produce food.
And there'll be no wars, and free ice-cream.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126382</id>
	<title>Ted Williams</title>
	<author>Beelzebud</author>
	<datestamp>1258399620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Great plan as long as your frozen head can withstand the blunt force trauma of being hit like a baseball.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great plan as long as your frozen head can withstand the blunt force trauma of being hit like a baseball .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great plan as long as your frozen head can withstand the blunt force trauma of being hit like a baseball.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128144</id>
	<title>Re:hidden treasure then</title>
	<author>corbettw</author>
	<datestamp>1258469040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey! I saw that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Rip\_Van\_Winkle\_Caper" title="wikipedia.org">episode of The Twilight Zone</a> [wikipedia.org], too! It didn't work too well for the guys trying to pull that one off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey !
I saw that episode of The Twilight Zone [ wikipedia.org ] , too !
It did n't work too well for the guys trying to pull that one off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey!
I saw that episode of The Twilight Zone [wikipedia.org], too!
It didn't work too well for the guys trying to pull that one off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126556</id>
	<title>Live Long Enough to Live Forever</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258488360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.fantastic-voyage.net/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.fantastic-voyage.net/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.fantastic-voyage.net/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30129172</id>
	<title>Re:Cryo has got to be the most brilliant scam ever</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258474920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Of course it is a bad scam preying on old people. But there are many such scams. The brilliant thing about cryogenics or whatever they call it is that the scammers can never be discovered. Let's face it it will not be possible to revive those poor dead people for a long time and probably forever.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p></div><p>Of course it is a bad scam preying on old people. But there are many such scams. The brilliant thing about religion or whatever they call it is that the scammers can never be discovered. Let's face it it will not be possible to resurrect those poor dead people, ever.</p><p>Cryonics on the other hand has some science behind it. Religion has zilch. well religion does have cradle-to-grave indoctrination going for it so I suppose that is something. In the end are you going to bet the extremely long odds or the guaranty?</p><p>Besides when it comes to lawsuits I think people who are allowed to invest the popsicle's money, until the end of time, will have an interest in maintaining that control and will not want to see laws enacted that give the cash to descendants (if there are any). I hear banks and Wallstreet have a modicum of political sway these days.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course it is a bad scam preying on old people .
But there are many such scams .
The brilliant thing about cryogenics or whatever they call it is that the scammers can never be discovered .
Let 's face it it will not be possible to revive those poor dead people for a long time and probably forever .
.Of course it is a bad scam preying on old people .
But there are many such scams .
The brilliant thing about religion or whatever they call it is that the scammers can never be discovered .
Let 's face it it will not be possible to resurrect those poor dead people , ever.Cryonics on the other hand has some science behind it .
Religion has zilch .
well religion does have cradle-to-grave indoctrination going for it so I suppose that is something .
In the end are you going to bet the extremely long odds or the guaranty ? Besides when it comes to lawsuits I think people who are allowed to invest the popsicle 's money , until the end of time , will have an interest in maintaining that control and will not want to see laws enacted that give the cash to descendants ( if there are any ) .
I hear banks and Wallstreet have a modicum of political sway these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course it is a bad scam preying on old people.
But there are many such scams.
The brilliant thing about cryogenics or whatever they call it is that the scammers can never be discovered.
Let's face it it will not be possible to revive those poor dead people for a long time and probably forever.
.Of course it is a bad scam preying on old people.
But there are many such scams.
The brilliant thing about religion or whatever they call it is that the scammers can never be discovered.
Let's face it it will not be possible to resurrect those poor dead people, ever.Cryonics on the other hand has some science behind it.
Religion has zilch.
well religion does have cradle-to-grave indoctrination going for it so I suppose that is something.
In the end are you going to bet the extremely long odds or the guaranty?Besides when it comes to lawsuits I think people who are allowed to invest the popsicle's money, until the end of time, will have an interest in maintaining that control and will not want to see laws enacted that give the cash to descendants (if there are any).
I hear banks and Wallstreet have a modicum of political sway these days.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126790</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>Sage Gaspar</author>
	<datestamp>1258448580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Damn skippy I would, yes it would suck to lose people and there'd probably be some depression and disorientation and culture shock, but you'd be alive and vital to experience a whole new world instead of dead and rotting. Then again I don't assign special meaning to life beyond its experience, if I was very spiritual my answer might be different.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn skippy I would , yes it would suck to lose people and there 'd probably be some depression and disorientation and culture shock , but you 'd be alive and vital to experience a whole new world instead of dead and rotting .
Then again I do n't assign special meaning to life beyond its experience , if I was very spiritual my answer might be different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn skippy I would, yes it would suck to lose people and there'd probably be some depression and disorientation and culture shock, but you'd be alive and vital to experience a whole new world instead of dead and rotting.
Then again I don't assign special meaning to life beyond its experience, if I was very spiritual my answer might be different.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30131508</id>
	<title>Re:Cryo has got to be the most brilliant scam ever</title>
	<author>C10H14N2</author>
	<datestamp>1258484640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't believe in the viability of any of this crap for any of the technical, sociological or economic reasons that should seem pretty damned obvious to anyone with an IQ above room temperature. HOWEVER, " the freezers would be switched off " is annoyingly frequent here and is pretty astounding. The corpsicles are put in liquid nitrogen. They are not powered freezers. They require \_zero\_ power. They operate on the same basic principles as your average Thermos.</p><p>But, ultimately, the primary reason this will never happen is we need people to die for society and the species itself to be sustainable. The irony is that by removing death from the equation, you end up with even more death, certainly the potential for a lot more suffering.</p><p>Apart from that, people take risks now, basically because they realize "I'm going to die someday anyway, probably tomorrow, so screw it I AM going to be an astronaut, work in a level-4 biohazard lab, fish crab for you, be a coal miner, whatever." Remove death from the equation and the risk-aversion would become paralyzing. Worse, currently, if you accidentally run someone over with a bus, you shaved a tangible amount of time off someone who we're pretty certain was doomed to the dirt nap shortly anyway, so we sort of let it go unless you made a pretty devoted effort in dispatching them. In a society with a reasonable expectation of physical immortality, you just caused effectively infinite damage to someone who could have had infinite value to society -- hey, with 1500 years, that unfortunate roadkill could have gone from flipping burgers at 50 to being the next Einstein, Sagan, and Hawking combined by the ripe age of 220 and still have time to best Mozart by 350. What would we do to you? Horribly execute, then revive you only to execute you again and again for all eternity? To people expecting to live a thousand or so years, that would seem a perfectly reasonable punishment for pulverizing someone in their bilssful youth of 93. But then, we could conceivably extract infinite benefit from you, so maybe we'd just put you in a forced labor camp with no hope of death, but just execute and revive you every alternate Saturday for kicks, then send you back to the mines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't believe in the viability of any of this crap for any of the technical , sociological or economic reasons that should seem pretty damned obvious to anyone with an IQ above room temperature .
HOWEVER , " the freezers would be switched off " is annoyingly frequent here and is pretty astounding .
The corpsicles are put in liquid nitrogen .
They are not powered freezers .
They require \ _zero \ _ power .
They operate on the same basic principles as your average Thermos.But , ultimately , the primary reason this will never happen is we need people to die for society and the species itself to be sustainable .
The irony is that by removing death from the equation , you end up with even more death , certainly the potential for a lot more suffering.Apart from that , people take risks now , basically because they realize " I 'm going to die someday anyway , probably tomorrow , so screw it I AM going to be an astronaut , work in a level-4 biohazard lab , fish crab for you , be a coal miner , whatever .
" Remove death from the equation and the risk-aversion would become paralyzing .
Worse , currently , if you accidentally run someone over with a bus , you shaved a tangible amount of time off someone who we 're pretty certain was doomed to the dirt nap shortly anyway , so we sort of let it go unless you made a pretty devoted effort in dispatching them .
In a society with a reasonable expectation of physical immortality , you just caused effectively infinite damage to someone who could have had infinite value to society -- hey , with 1500 years , that unfortunate roadkill could have gone from flipping burgers at 50 to being the next Einstein , Sagan , and Hawking combined by the ripe age of 220 and still have time to best Mozart by 350 .
What would we do to you ?
Horribly execute , then revive you only to execute you again and again for all eternity ?
To people expecting to live a thousand or so years , that would seem a perfectly reasonable punishment for pulverizing someone in their bilssful youth of 93 .
But then , we could conceivably extract infinite benefit from you , so maybe we 'd just put you in a forced labor camp with no hope of death , but just execute and revive you every alternate Saturday for kicks , then send you back to the mines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't believe in the viability of any of this crap for any of the technical, sociological or economic reasons that should seem pretty damned obvious to anyone with an IQ above room temperature.
HOWEVER, " the freezers would be switched off " is annoyingly frequent here and is pretty astounding.
The corpsicles are put in liquid nitrogen.
They are not powered freezers.
They require \_zero\_ power.
They operate on the same basic principles as your average Thermos.But, ultimately, the primary reason this will never happen is we need people to die for society and the species itself to be sustainable.
The irony is that by removing death from the equation, you end up with even more death, certainly the potential for a lot more suffering.Apart from that, people take risks now, basically because they realize "I'm going to die someday anyway, probably tomorrow, so screw it I AM going to be an astronaut, work in a level-4 biohazard lab, fish crab for you, be a coal miner, whatever.
" Remove death from the equation and the risk-aversion would become paralyzing.
Worse, currently, if you accidentally run someone over with a bus, you shaved a tangible amount of time off someone who we're pretty certain was doomed to the dirt nap shortly anyway, so we sort of let it go unless you made a pretty devoted effort in dispatching them.
In a society with a reasonable expectation of physical immortality, you just caused effectively infinite damage to someone who could have had infinite value to society -- hey, with 1500 years, that unfortunate roadkill could have gone from flipping burgers at 50 to being the next Einstein, Sagan, and Hawking combined by the ripe age of 220 and still have time to best Mozart by 350.
What would we do to you?
Horribly execute, then revive you only to execute you again and again for all eternity?
To people expecting to live a thousand or so years, that would seem a perfectly reasonable punishment for pulverizing someone in their bilssful youth of 93.
But then, we could conceivably extract infinite benefit from you, so maybe we'd just put you in a forced labor camp with no hope of death, but just execute and revive you every alternate Saturday for kicks, then send you back to the mines.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30130560</id>
	<title>nobody has successfully thawed a Peepscicle.</title>
	<author>swschrad</author>
	<datestamp>1258480680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and gotten anything other than bad meat.</p><p>and the portions are too small, yes, that was the punchline, thanks for asking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and gotten anything other than bad meat.and the portions are too small , yes , that was the punchline , thanks for asking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and gotten anything other than bad meat.and the portions are too small, yes, that was the punchline, thanks for asking.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127544</id>
	<title>Re:Completely impossible, reviving after freezing</title>
	<author>AniVisual</author>
	<datestamp>1258461120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1386293&amp;cid=29588557" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Relevant comment</a> [slashdot.org]: Freezing causes water to expand solidify into crystals. Your brain cells turn into a banana just taken out of a freezer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Relevant comment [ slashdot.org ] : Freezing causes water to expand solidify into crystals .
Your brain cells turn into a banana just taken out of a freezer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Relevant comment [slashdot.org]: Freezing causes water to expand solidify into crystals.
Your brain cells turn into a banana just taken out of a freezer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126566</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>im\_thatoneguy</author>
	<datestamp>1258488480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Life without meaning? A new world with a new culture and new politics and new sciences and new games to learn?!  Are you kidding!  That would be the greatest thing ever.</p><p>Make new friends.  Form a new family.  Only this time if they can resuscitate a head then I'm probably nearly immortal so I have at least 10k years before I'm statistically killed in an accident.   That's more than enough time to learn a few hundred lifetimes of insights.</p><p>So what you're saying is that if your family and friends all died in an accident you would want to die with them and no live your life?   If you were orphaned and adopted by a foreign family you think life wouldn't be worth living or have meaning?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Life without meaning ?
A new world with a new culture and new politics and new sciences and new games to learn ? !
Are you kidding !
That would be the greatest thing ever.Make new friends .
Form a new family .
Only this time if they can resuscitate a head then I 'm probably nearly immortal so I have at least 10k years before I 'm statistically killed in an accident .
That 's more than enough time to learn a few hundred lifetimes of insights.So what you 're saying is that if your family and friends all died in an accident you would want to die with them and no live your life ?
If you were orphaned and adopted by a foreign family you think life would n't be worth living or have meaning ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Life without meaning?
A new world with a new culture and new politics and new sciences and new games to learn?!
Are you kidding!
That would be the greatest thing ever.Make new friends.
Form a new family.
Only this time if they can resuscitate a head then I'm probably nearly immortal so I have at least 10k years before I'm statistically killed in an accident.
That's more than enough time to learn a few hundred lifetimes of insights.So what you're saying is that if your family and friends all died in an accident you would want to die with them and no live your life?
If you were orphaned and adopted by a foreign family you think life wouldn't be worth living or have meaning?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127622</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>teh kurisu</author>
	<datestamp>1258462260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would be more tolerable if you could erase your memories and start fresh each time, much like reinstalling Windows from scratch to clear the crud out.  I'd quite like the option of knowing that, although my current life may end for all practical purposes, I won't be consigned to oblivion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be more tolerable if you could erase your memories and start fresh each time , much like reinstalling Windows from scratch to clear the crud out .
I 'd quite like the option of knowing that , although my current life may end for all practical purposes , I wo n't be consigned to oblivion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be more tolerable if you could erase your memories and start fresh each time, much like reinstalling Windows from scratch to clear the crud out.
I'd quite like the option of knowing that, although my current life may end for all practical purposes, I won't be consigned to oblivion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30131470</id>
	<title>Re:hah..</title>
	<author>sabt-pestnu</author>
	<datestamp>1258484460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I already read this in a short story...</p><p>Tomb robbers will break  into my cryogenic storage facility, see the pretty lights, and break the machinery.</p><p>My semiaware body, badly in need of intensive care after having been hauled out of my cryo-capsule after an incomplete revivification sequence, will be shoved aside while the neobarbarians rip out the pretty wires as their Just Rewards for their efforts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I already read this in a short story...Tomb robbers will break into my cryogenic storage facility , see the pretty lights , and break the machinery.My semiaware body , badly in need of intensive care after having been hauled out of my cryo-capsule after an incomplete revivification sequence , will be shoved aside while the neobarbarians rip out the pretty wires as their Just Rewards for their efforts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I already read this in a short story...Tomb robbers will break  into my cryogenic storage facility, see the pretty lights, and break the machinery.My semiaware body, badly in need of intensive care after having been hauled out of my cryo-capsule after an incomplete revivification sequence, will be shoved aside while the neobarbarians rip out the pretty wires as their Just Rewards for their efforts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126562</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>Penguinisto</author>
	<datestamp>1258488420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dunno... it would still be fun.</p><p>Besides, if nothing else I could have a blast screwing with the heads of future historians.</p><p>("...of course, the fourth Nazi regime of Central California did try to establish a state religion. The dogma was a bit strange, but it went a bit like this..."  [then I'd insert some real wild-assed stuff straight out of alt.slack's glory days] )</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dunno... it would still be fun.Besides , if nothing else I could have a blast screwing with the heads of future historians .
( " ...of course , the fourth Nazi regime of Central California did try to establish a state religion .
The dogma was a bit strange , but it went a bit like this... " [ then I 'd insert some real wild-assed stuff straight out of alt.slack 's glory days ] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dunno... it would still be fun.Besides, if nothing else I could have a blast screwing with the heads of future historians.
("...of course, the fourth Nazi regime of Central California did try to establish a state religion.
The dogma was a bit strange, but it went a bit like this..."  [then I'd insert some real wild-assed stuff straight out of alt.slack's glory days] )</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127116</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258453860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah. I'm not the least bit interested to see new tech, to learn new science.</p><p>I could never love a woman from another century -- that stuff only happens in movies. (Well, given that I'm on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/., this may actually be true...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;))</p><p>Giving perspective and even completely lost information to historians and schoolkids? Man, that'd give my life practically negative meaning.</p><p>I don't think you've thought this through before you consigned this to "without meaning".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah .
I 'm not the least bit interested to see new tech , to learn new science.I could never love a woman from another century -- that stuff only happens in movies .
( Well , given that I 'm on /. , this may actually be true... ; ) ) Giving perspective and even completely lost information to historians and schoolkids ?
Man , that 'd give my life practically negative meaning.I do n't think you 've thought this through before you consigned this to " without meaning " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah.
I'm not the least bit interested to see new tech, to learn new science.I could never love a woman from another century -- that stuff only happens in movies.
(Well, given that I'm on /., this may actually be true... ;))Giving perspective and even completely lost information to historians and schoolkids?
Man, that'd give my life practically negative meaning.I don't think you've thought this through before you consigned this to "without meaning".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128486</id>
	<title>waking up in the future ..</title>
	<author>rs232</author>
	<datestamp>1258471440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"you can look forward to waking up one bright future morning from cryopreservation the proud owner of a bank account brimming with money!'"</p><p>Like how, once all electrical activity ceases in your brain, so do you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" you can look forward to waking up one bright future morning from cryopreservation the proud owner of a bank account brimming with money !
' " Like how , once all electrical activity ceases in your brain , so do you .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"you can look forward to waking up one bright future morning from cryopreservation the proud owner of a bank account brimming with money!
'"Like how, once all electrical activity ceases in your brain, so do you ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126820</id>
	<title>Re:hah..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258449060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What?  No talking apes?  I paid for talking apes living in mud huts with rifles they have no industry capable of providing ammunition for!</p><p>Damn YOU!  DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!</p><p>-FL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What ?
No talking apes ?
I paid for talking apes living in mud huts with rifles they have no industry capable of providing ammunition for ! Damn YOU !
DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL ! -FL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What?
No talking apes?
I paid for talking apes living in mud huts with rifles they have no industry capable of providing ammunition for!Damn YOU!
DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!-FL</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128414</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1258471080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But I want to be frozen and for some odd reason put in a space craft and set adrift for centuries.  Then finally picked up by a passing earth space craft and unfrozen by a well meaning android and a meddling doctor. Just in time to act like a complete jerk while they are in the middle of sensitive negations with a violent species of aliens who have a major military power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But I want to be frozen and for some odd reason put in a space craft and set adrift for centuries .
Then finally picked up by a passing earth space craft and unfrozen by a well meaning android and a meddling doctor .
Just in time to act like a complete jerk while they are in the middle of sensitive negations with a violent species of aliens who have a major military power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I want to be frozen and for some odd reason put in a space craft and set adrift for centuries.
Then finally picked up by a passing earth space craft and unfrozen by a well meaning android and a meddling doctor.
Just in time to act like a complete jerk while they are in the middle of sensitive negations with a violent species of aliens who have a major military power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128086</id>
	<title>Re:Niven: Corpsicle; Rammer</title>
	<author>h.ross.perot</author>
	<datestamp>1258468500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Niven seemed to like writing about the frozen traveler.World out of time IIRC...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Niven seemed to like writing about the frozen traveler.World out of time IIRC.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Niven seemed to like writing about the frozen traveler.World out of time IIRC...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30131914</id>
	<title>Re:And how to prove you're "you"</title>
	<author>frank\_adrian314159</author>
	<datestamp>1258485840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>And that's where it all falls apart.</i> </p><p>Not to mention that, even if you do prove it's you, the insurance company sues you for "faking your death" (even if it is a long-term fake), requiring you to give back all the money and interest.  Then the state starts with fraud charges.  Oh what a lovely future you'll have!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And that 's where it all falls apart .
Not to mention that , even if you do prove it 's you , the insurance company sues you for " faking your death " ( even if it is a long-term fake ) , requiring you to give back all the money and interest .
Then the state starts with fraud charges .
Oh what a lovely future you 'll have !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that's where it all falls apart.
Not to mention that, even if you do prove it's you, the insurance company sues you for "faking your death" (even if it is a long-term fake), requiring you to give back all the money and interest.
Then the state starts with fraud charges.
Oh what a lovely future you'll have!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126652</id>
	<title>A better idea</title>
	<author>DrBuzzo</author>
	<datestamp>1258489620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>setting aside the issues of the technical difficulties and the uncertainty that you will ever be alive again, and assuming it will happen...
<br> <br>
Put aside money in a trust fund as part of your will and allocate the purpose of the fund to be for the care and upkeep of your body and any needed maintenance to the freezers that is beyond the organization keeping you or to pay for the expense of any procedures necessary for your revival.   You can set up a simple trust for this and the interest will compound.   You can set up executors for your trust, ideally people you trust and who are young in age such that they will likely live decades more.   They can choose others to take on the responsibility of executors of in case of their own deaths.   Of course, that's just a matter of assurance because you can assure that it is bound in probate court.   It would also help if you offered a cut of the money to the executors of the fund in the event of your revival, thus giving them incentive to keep you in stable.
<br> <br>
There's no reason you could not do this and the only problem that could arise would be a drastic change in financial law or a fall of society etc.  But there's really nothing you can do them anyway.

<br> <br>
problem solved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>setting aside the issues of the technical difficulties and the uncertainty that you will ever be alive again , and assuming it will happen.. . Put aside money in a trust fund as part of your will and allocate the purpose of the fund to be for the care and upkeep of your body and any needed maintenance to the freezers that is beyond the organization keeping you or to pay for the expense of any procedures necessary for your revival .
You can set up a simple trust for this and the interest will compound .
You can set up executors for your trust , ideally people you trust and who are young in age such that they will likely live decades more .
They can choose others to take on the responsibility of executors of in case of their own deaths .
Of course , that 's just a matter of assurance because you can assure that it is bound in probate court .
It would also help if you offered a cut of the money to the executors of the fund in the event of your revival , thus giving them incentive to keep you in stable .
There 's no reason you could not do this and the only problem that could arise would be a drastic change in financial law or a fall of society etc .
But there 's really nothing you can do them anyway .
problem solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>setting aside the issues of the technical difficulties and the uncertainty that you will ever be alive again, and assuming it will happen...
 
Put aside money in a trust fund as part of your will and allocate the purpose of the fund to be for the care and upkeep of your body and any needed maintenance to the freezers that is beyond the organization keeping you or to pay for the expense of any procedures necessary for your revival.
You can set up a simple trust for this and the interest will compound.
You can set up executors for your trust, ideally people you trust and who are young in age such that they will likely live decades more.
They can choose others to take on the responsibility of executors of in case of their own deaths.
Of course, that's just a matter of assurance because you can assure that it is bound in probate court.
It would also help if you offered a cut of the money to the executors of the fund in the event of your revival, thus giving them incentive to keep you in stable.
There's no reason you could not do this and the only problem that could arise would be a drastic change in financial law or a fall of society etc.
But there's really nothing you can do them anyway.
problem solved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126414</id>
	<title>What the future will be like</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258400100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recommend you to read Ray Kurzweil's Law of Accelerating Returns http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0134.html?printable=1<br>It may change the way you think. While some idiots would simply laugh at his predictions, consider reading Ray's earlier predictions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recommend you to read Ray Kurzweil 's Law of Accelerating Returns http : //www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0134.html ? printable = 1It may change the way you think .
While some idiots would simply laugh at his predictions , consider reading Ray 's earlier predictions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recommend you to read Ray Kurzweil's Law of Accelerating Returns http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0134.html?printable=1It may change the way you think.
While some idiots would simply laugh at his predictions, consider reading Ray's earlier predictions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127918</id>
	<title>Prior Art</title>
	<author>viridari</author>
	<datestamp>1258466820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Douglas Adams already foreshadowed a scheme like this in order to be able to afford the fabulously expensive dinner at Milliway's.</p><p>Douglas Adams is only dead for tax purposes, BTW.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Douglas Adams already foreshadowed a scheme like this in order to be able to afford the fabulously expensive dinner at Milliway 's.Douglas Adams is only dead for tax purposes , BTW .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Douglas Adams already foreshadowed a scheme like this in order to be able to afford the fabulously expensive dinner at Milliway's.Douglas Adams is only dead for tax purposes, BTW.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30129560</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>Alioth</author>
	<datestamp>1258476300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I moved to another country when I was in my early 20s. I knew no one in this new country, I had very few reference points... but somehow, I survived.</p><p>It would be more difficult if you suddenly found yourself 500 years in the future, but it's really just a matter of learning the new society.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I moved to another country when I was in my early 20s .
I knew no one in this new country , I had very few reference points... but somehow , I survived.It would be more difficult if you suddenly found yourself 500 years in the future , but it 's really just a matter of learning the new society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I moved to another country when I was in my early 20s.
I knew no one in this new country, I had very few reference points... but somehow, I survived.It would be more difficult if you suddenly found yourself 500 years in the future, but it's really just a matter of learning the new society.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127212</id>
	<title>The ultimate pyramid scheme</title>
	<author>jandersen</author>
	<datestamp>1258455840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> destinyland writes "A science writer discovered it's possible to finance your cryogenic preservation using life insurance -- and then leave a huge death benefit to your future thawed self. From the article, 'Most in the middle class, if they seriously want it, can afford it now. So by taking the right steps, you can look forward to waking up one bright future morning from cryopreservation the proud owner of a bank account brimming with money!' There's one important caveat: some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance.'"</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>destinyland writes " A science writer discovered it 's possible to finance your cryogenic preservation using life insurance -- and then leave a huge death benefit to your future thawed self .
From the article , 'Most in the middle class , if they seriously want it , can afford it now .
So by taking the right steps , you can look forward to waking up one bright future morning from cryopreservation the proud owner of a bank account brimming with money !
' There 's one important caveat : some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext> destinyland writes "A science writer discovered it's possible to finance your cryogenic preservation using life insurance -- and then leave a huge death benefit to your future thawed self.
From the article, 'Most in the middle class, if they seriously want it, can afford it now.
So by taking the right steps, you can look forward to waking up one bright future morning from cryopreservation the proud owner of a bank account brimming with money!
' There's one important caveat: some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance.
'"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127582</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1258461780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>From a what-do-you-have-to-lose perspective, sure, it's worth a shot. But this simply can't be a dependable part of estate planning.</i>
<p>
Besides which, if you're dead and you left all your money to yourself, I doubt any of your relatives are going to be particularly interested in fighting the insurance company to get the money for yourself. More likely they would fight to have it for themselves and settle if they have to.
</p><p>
Anyway, if someone is rich, selfish and stupid enough to be cryogenically frozen they should just throw the remainder of their wealth into a trust which invests it in long term bonds. It wouldn't surprise me if there were investment schemes already like that. After all, it must be ridiculously easy money to manage and the trust administrators are basically laughing all the way to the bank.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From a what-do-you-have-to-lose perspective , sure , it 's worth a shot .
But this simply ca n't be a dependable part of estate planning .
Besides which , if you 're dead and you left all your money to yourself , I doubt any of your relatives are going to be particularly interested in fighting the insurance company to get the money for yourself .
More likely they would fight to have it for themselves and settle if they have to .
Anyway , if someone is rich , selfish and stupid enough to be cryogenically frozen they should just throw the remainder of their wealth into a trust which invests it in long term bonds .
It would n't surprise me if there were investment schemes already like that .
After all , it must be ridiculously easy money to manage and the trust administrators are basically laughing all the way to the bank .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From a what-do-you-have-to-lose perspective, sure, it's worth a shot.
But this simply can't be a dependable part of estate planning.
Besides which, if you're dead and you left all your money to yourself, I doubt any of your relatives are going to be particularly interested in fighting the insurance company to get the money for yourself.
More likely they would fight to have it for themselves and settle if they have to.
Anyway, if someone is rich, selfish and stupid enough to be cryogenically frozen they should just throw the remainder of their wealth into a trust which invests it in long term bonds.
It wouldn't surprise me if there were investment schemes already like that.
After all, it must be ridiculously easy money to manage and the trust administrators are basically laughing all the way to the bank.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30130464</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258480260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course there COULD be problems with the cold storage...like there was with Ted Williams.  Who had his head last?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course there COULD be problems with the cold storage...like there was with Ted Williams .
Who had his head last ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course there COULD be problems with the cold storage...like there was with Ted Williams.
Who had his head last?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127910</id>
	<title>Re:Completely impossible, reviving after freezing</title>
	<author>quickgold192</author>
	<datestamp>1258466760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cell walls? Are you reviving a plant?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cell walls ?
Are you reviving a plant ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cell walls?
Are you reviving a plant?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126702</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>gijoel</author>
	<datestamp>1258490340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's why I'm investing in <a href="http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Latinum" title="memory-alpha.org" rel="nofollow">gold pressed latinum</a> [memory-alpha.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's why I 'm investing in gold pressed latinum [ memory-alpha.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's why I'm investing in gold pressed latinum [memory-alpha.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30134058</id>
	<title>I'll second that.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258449780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well said. I was just about to write a similar reply about how I hope I die before cryogenics is perfected and becomes common. What makes people believe that A) Anybody is going to actually want to revive them (contract or no contract), and B) that the world they wake up in is going to be one they want to live in.</p><p>Worse yet, what if you are not allowed to die, and instead get revived only to find that you are now someone's slave, or perhaps a toy, and they won't let you die? That would be absolutely hellish. So personally, I hope I die while I still have the right to stay dead, and nobody has the ability (or the presumption of the right to) revive me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well said .
I was just about to write a similar reply about how I hope I die before cryogenics is perfected and becomes common .
What makes people believe that A ) Anybody is going to actually want to revive them ( contract or no contract ) , and B ) that the world they wake up in is going to be one they want to live in.Worse yet , what if you are not allowed to die , and instead get revived only to find that you are now someone 's slave , or perhaps a toy , and they wo n't let you die ?
That would be absolutely hellish .
So personally , I hope I die while I still have the right to stay dead , and nobody has the ability ( or the presumption of the right to ) revive me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well said.
I was just about to write a similar reply about how I hope I die before cryogenics is perfected and becomes common.
What makes people believe that A) Anybody is going to actually want to revive them (contract or no contract), and B) that the world they wake up in is going to be one they want to live in.Worse yet, what if you are not allowed to die, and instead get revived only to find that you are now someone's slave, or perhaps a toy, and they won't let you die?
That would be absolutely hellish.
So personally, I hope I die while I still have the right to stay dead, and nobody has the ability (or the presumption of the right to) revive me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127934</id>
	<title>so what this article says is</title>
	<author>nimbius</author>
	<datestamp>1258466940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the future sounds like a cacophony of masturbating insurance attorneys from the 21st century?</htmltext>
<tokenext>the future sounds like a cacophony of masturbating insurance attorneys from the 21st century ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the future sounds like a cacophony of masturbating insurance attorneys from the 21st century?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128454</id>
	<title>Corpsicles can't own property</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258471320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's occurred to me that the relativity equations work better for me the faster I go.<br>It works out that I can reach the galactic hub in twenty-one years,ship's time, if I hold myself down to one gravity acceleration.<br>I'll see you in about seventy thousand years, your time. By then your precious State may have withered away...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's occurred to me that the relativity equations work better for me the faster I go.It works out that I can reach the galactic hub in twenty-one years,ship 's time , if I hold myself down to one gravity acceleration.I 'll see you in about seventy thousand years , your time .
By then your precious State may have withered away.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's occurred to me that the relativity equations work better for me the faster I go.It works out that I can reach the galactic hub in twenty-one years,ship's time, if I hold myself down to one gravity acceleration.I'll see you in about seventy thousand years, your time.
By then your precious State may have withered away...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30131084</id>
	<title>Re:Completely impossible, reviving after freezing</title>
	<author>pyrr</author>
	<datestamp>1258483140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Freezing doesn't "explode cell walls". When water crystallizes inside a cell, it is what ruptures the cell. That's the major component of frostbite. Controlling the way the water crystallizes can keep it from resulting in cell damage. Current cryonic techniques seem to be getting better at that. Usually this entails replacing an animal's blood with a synthetic blood or adding chemicals to allow cooling without crystallization. Animals chilled to near freezing and with no measurable vital signs (including no brain activity) have been successfully revived without apparently losing memories using those blood replacement type of techniques.

</p><p>So you're right, "simple freezing" doesn't work, but it's not what cryonics are about. The guy in the Tuff Shed near Nederland, CO in all likelihood was not frozen correctly and is little more than a frozen corpse that would be a putrid mess when thawed. The time a properly chilled organism can be kept would depend on the quality of the chilling, the degree of cell damage, and the upper limit would be determined by how effectively the decay is retarded. If not enough cells are functional to rebuild the body and clean-up the mess of damaged cells, that's game over. It could be a matter of weeks, it could be a matter of years. It's not likely to be retarded enough to last a meaningful length of time, however. I'd see the technology as more useful for situations where buying a little time would be invaluable, but these dreams of cryonic immortality still are just that-- dreams.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Freezing does n't " explode cell walls " .
When water crystallizes inside a cell , it is what ruptures the cell .
That 's the major component of frostbite .
Controlling the way the water crystallizes can keep it from resulting in cell damage .
Current cryonic techniques seem to be getting better at that .
Usually this entails replacing an animal 's blood with a synthetic blood or adding chemicals to allow cooling without crystallization .
Animals chilled to near freezing and with no measurable vital signs ( including no brain activity ) have been successfully revived without apparently losing memories using those blood replacement type of techniques .
So you 're right , " simple freezing " does n't work , but it 's not what cryonics are about .
The guy in the Tuff Shed near Nederland , CO in all likelihood was not frozen correctly and is little more than a frozen corpse that would be a putrid mess when thawed .
The time a properly chilled organism can be kept would depend on the quality of the chilling , the degree of cell damage , and the upper limit would be determined by how effectively the decay is retarded .
If not enough cells are functional to rebuild the body and clean-up the mess of damaged cells , that 's game over .
It could be a matter of weeks , it could be a matter of years .
It 's not likely to be retarded enough to last a meaningful length of time , however .
I 'd see the technology as more useful for situations where buying a little time would be invaluable , but these dreams of cryonic immortality still are just that-- dreams .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Freezing doesn't "explode cell walls".
When water crystallizes inside a cell, it is what ruptures the cell.
That's the major component of frostbite.
Controlling the way the water crystallizes can keep it from resulting in cell damage.
Current cryonic techniques seem to be getting better at that.
Usually this entails replacing an animal's blood with a synthetic blood or adding chemicals to allow cooling without crystallization.
Animals chilled to near freezing and with no measurable vital signs (including no brain activity) have been successfully revived without apparently losing memories using those blood replacement type of techniques.
So you're right, "simple freezing" doesn't work, but it's not what cryonics are about.
The guy in the Tuff Shed near Nederland, CO in all likelihood was not frozen correctly and is little more than a frozen corpse that would be a putrid mess when thawed.
The time a properly chilled organism can be kept would depend on the quality of the chilling, the degree of cell damage, and the upper limit would be determined by how effectively the decay is retarded.
If not enough cells are functional to rebuild the body and clean-up the mess of damaged cells, that's game over.
It could be a matter of weeks, it could be a matter of years.
It's not likely to be retarded enough to last a meaningful length of time, however.
I'd see the technology as more useful for situations where buying a little time would be invaluable, but these dreams of cryonic immortality still are just that-- dreams.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127958</id>
	<title>Re:There's an easier way</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258467120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know what bank you use, but from my perspective the entire industry seems bent on making sure that there is no such thing as perpetual wealth. On top of the annual membership fees most banks charged for credit accounts, there are now fees for non-use. The way things are going, I fully expect that that next fee will be one for crediting your deposit account with the interest earned on the principle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know what bank you use , but from my perspective the entire industry seems bent on making sure that there is no such thing as perpetual wealth .
On top of the annual membership fees most banks charged for credit accounts , there are now fees for non-use .
The way things are going , I fully expect that that next fee will be one for crediting your deposit account with the interest earned on the principle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know what bank you use, but from my perspective the entire industry seems bent on making sure that there is no such thing as perpetual wealth.
On top of the annual membership fees most banks charged for credit accounts, there are now fees for non-use.
The way things are going, I fully expect that that next fee will be one for crediting your deposit account with the interest earned on the principle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128624</id>
	<title>Gold is worthless...</title>
	<author>denzacar</author>
	<datestamp>1258472160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And so are jewels, Confederacy dollars, Reichsmarks and Enron shares and stocks.<br>Jewels can be replicated today - they are pricey because they are artificially kept pricey.<br>Gold will probably be attainable from led or even rocks in the future.<br>Companies and countries cease to exit.</p><p>Several things will have (increased) value after a period of time.</p><p>One is land.<br>There is a limited amount of it on the planet. Even if you dry out oceans to make more - "old land" will still have premium value due to being closer to human habitats of old. You know, where all the culture is.</p><p>The other is exactly that - culture.<br>Works of art of any kind will only increase in value.<br>Hey... Action Comics No.1 from 1938 was originally sold for $0.1 - today they go for half a million.</p><p>Statues last longer than paper and canvas - and you can still bury them somewhere on that piece of land you own.<br>"Lost" compositions, songs, books etc. by famous artists can also be stored - but you would have to be either very rich and have a famous artist make something just for you, or stalk him/her, steal the work of art and possibly kill the artist (sooner he/she is dead, sooner the value will start to grow).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And so are jewels , Confederacy dollars , Reichsmarks and Enron shares and stocks.Jewels can be replicated today - they are pricey because they are artificially kept pricey.Gold will probably be attainable from led or even rocks in the future.Companies and countries cease to exit.Several things will have ( increased ) value after a period of time.One is land.There is a limited amount of it on the planet .
Even if you dry out oceans to make more - " old land " will still have premium value due to being closer to human habitats of old .
You know , where all the culture is.The other is exactly that - culture.Works of art of any kind will only increase in value.Hey... Action Comics No.1 from 1938 was originally sold for $ 0.1 - today they go for half a million.Statues last longer than paper and canvas - and you can still bury them somewhere on that piece of land you own .
" Lost " compositions , songs , books etc .
by famous artists can also be stored - but you would have to be either very rich and have a famous artist make something just for you , or stalk him/her , steal the work of art and possibly kill the artist ( sooner he/she is dead , sooner the value will start to grow ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And so are jewels, Confederacy dollars, Reichsmarks and Enron shares and stocks.Jewels can be replicated today - they are pricey because they are artificially kept pricey.Gold will probably be attainable from led or even rocks in the future.Companies and countries cease to exit.Several things will have (increased) value after a period of time.One is land.There is a limited amount of it on the planet.
Even if you dry out oceans to make more - "old land" will still have premium value due to being closer to human habitats of old.
You know, where all the culture is.The other is exactly that - culture.Works of art of any kind will only increase in value.Hey... Action Comics No.1 from 1938 was originally sold for $0.1 - today they go for half a million.Statues last longer than paper and canvas - and you can still bury them somewhere on that piece of land you own.
"Lost" compositions, songs, books etc.
by famous artists can also be stored - but you would have to be either very rich and have a famous artist make something just for you, or stalk him/her, steal the work of art and possibly kill the artist (sooner he/she is dead, sooner the value will start to grow).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126292</id>
	<title>Completely impossible, reviving after freezing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258398720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are few things I consider impossible but reviving people after simple freezing is one of them. There's massive damage and it's still not cold enough to arrest decay. Even if you could freeze a body without damage you'd still need to be near absolute zero to arrest most of the breakdown. Freezing essentially explodes the cell walls so there's nothing to revive. Cloning is pointless because it's a middle aged twin at best with none of your memories and no you can't just program them in like a computer the memories are actual structures in the brain that involve growth. I'm not saying there won't be a way to place a body in stasis I'm saying current freezing technologies are at best a joke and at worst a scam.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are few things I consider impossible but reviving people after simple freezing is one of them .
There 's massive damage and it 's still not cold enough to arrest decay .
Even if you could freeze a body without damage you 'd still need to be near absolute zero to arrest most of the breakdown .
Freezing essentially explodes the cell walls so there 's nothing to revive .
Cloning is pointless because it 's a middle aged twin at best with none of your memories and no you ca n't just program them in like a computer the memories are actual structures in the brain that involve growth .
I 'm not saying there wo n't be a way to place a body in stasis I 'm saying current freezing technologies are at best a joke and at worst a scam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are few things I consider impossible but reviving people after simple freezing is one of them.
There's massive damage and it's still not cold enough to arrest decay.
Even if you could freeze a body without damage you'd still need to be near absolute zero to arrest most of the breakdown.
Freezing essentially explodes the cell walls so there's nothing to revive.
Cloning is pointless because it's a middle aged twin at best with none of your memories and no you can't just program them in like a computer the memories are actual structures in the brain that involve growth.
I'm not saying there won't be a way to place a body in stasis I'm saying current freezing technologies are at best a joke and at worst a scam.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127060</id>
	<title>hidden treasure then</title>
	<author>roman\_mir</author>
	<datestamp>1258452900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Convert what you can to gold and hide it somewhere, hopefully some place that won't be discovered for the next 1000 years, I guess that would be the difficulty.</p><p>I predict that there will be a bank, maybe in Switzerland, maybe some place else, that will provide services helping the folks like that to hide their money, including from the law of other countries, for a percentage of annual interest perhaps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Convert what you can to gold and hide it somewhere , hopefully some place that wo n't be discovered for the next 1000 years , I guess that would be the difficulty.I predict that there will be a bank , maybe in Switzerland , maybe some place else , that will provide services helping the folks like that to hide their money , including from the law of other countries , for a percentage of annual interest perhaps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Convert what you can to gold and hide it somewhere, hopefully some place that won't be discovered for the next 1000 years, I guess that would be the difficulty.I predict that there will be a bank, maybe in Switzerland, maybe some place else, that will provide services helping the folks like that to hide their money, including from the law of other countries, for a percentage of annual interest perhaps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126392</id>
	<title>Re:There's an easier way</title>
	<author>mister\_playboy</author>
	<datestamp>1258399800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and with the way inflation works, your 4.3 billion dollars will buy you half a slice of bread once you've been thawed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and with the way inflation works , your 4.3 billion dollars will buy you half a slice of bread once you 've been thawed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and with the way inflation works, your 4.3 billion dollars will buy you half a slice of bread once you've been thawed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126462</id>
	<title>DNF</title>
	<author>owlman17</author>
	<datestamp>1258400640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By then, we'd be playing DNF on ReactOS or Hurd 3.0, running on our mega-core phones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By then , we 'd be playing DNF on ReactOS or Hurd 3.0 , running on our mega-core phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By then, we'd be playing DNF on ReactOS or Hurd 3.0, running on our mega-core phones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126486</id>
	<title>Niven</title>
	<author>MadUndergrad</author>
	<datestamp>1258401000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Larry Niven short story about Gil the ARM and the organleggers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Larry Niven short story about Gil the ARM and the organleggers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Larry Niven short story about Gil the ARM and the organleggers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126322</id>
	<title>There's an easier way</title>
	<author>93 Escort Wagon</author>
	<datestamp>1258398960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just leave 93 cents in the bank. After 1000 years accruing interest you'll have 4.3 billion dollars.</p><p>I do suggest changing your PIN number though, just in case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just leave 93 cents in the bank .
After 1000 years accruing interest you 'll have 4.3 billion dollars.I do suggest changing your PIN number though , just in case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just leave 93 cents in the bank.
After 1000 years accruing interest you'll have 4.3 billion dollars.I do suggest changing your PIN number though, just in case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30129552</id>
	<title>Re:Key legal obstacle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258476240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Note that many US state jurisdictions, along with many non-US jurisdictions, have abolished the Rule Against Perpetuities, due to pressure from well heeled persons and families within jurisdictions.</p><p>I am a trusts and estates attorney.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Note that many US state jurisdictions , along with many non-US jurisdictions , have abolished the Rule Against Perpetuities , due to pressure from well heeled persons and families within jurisdictions.I am a trusts and estates attorney .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Note that many US state jurisdictions, along with many non-US jurisdictions, have abolished the Rule Against Perpetuities, due to pressure from well heeled persons and families within jurisdictions.I am a trusts and estates attorney.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127588</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>AGMW</author>
	<datestamp>1258461840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...  All your friends are dead<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>
Hey<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... this is still slashdot isn't it?
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... All your friends are dead .. . Hey ... this is still slashdot is n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...  All your friends are dead ...
Hey ... this is still slashdot isn't it?

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126240</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258398240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not really sure what the problem is.  If you die any life insurance had gets paid out to your estate at the time of your death.  The insurance company is no longer involved in what happens to the money after that point.  What rules could they change in the time between your death and revival that could get them the money back?  If your will instructs that you be frozen and the money be put in savings account to wait for you, why couldn't you do that?

There's no free money.  In general life insurance, as with all insurance is not profitable to individual, you will on average put in more money than you get out (this is how insurance companies make money).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not really sure what the problem is .
If you die any life insurance had gets paid out to your estate at the time of your death .
The insurance company is no longer involved in what happens to the money after that point .
What rules could they change in the time between your death and revival that could get them the money back ?
If your will instructs that you be frozen and the money be put in savings account to wait for you , why could n't you do that ?
There 's no free money .
In general life insurance , as with all insurance is not profitable to individual , you will on average put in more money than you get out ( this is how insurance companies make money ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not really sure what the problem is.
If you die any life insurance had gets paid out to your estate at the time of your death.
The insurance company is no longer involved in what happens to the money after that point.
What rules could they change in the time between your death and revival that could get them the money back?
If your will instructs that you be frozen and the money be put in savings account to wait for you, why couldn't you do that?
There's no free money.
In general life insurance, as with all insurance is not profitable to individual, you will on average put in more money than you get out (this is how insurance companies make money).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127092</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258453500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Feel free to die then.  Just don't imply some kind of <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImmortalityImmorality" title="tvtropes.org" rel="nofollow">immorality associated with not wanting to die</a> [tvtropes.org].</p><p>(Note: this comment doesn't necessarily assume that cryogenics represents a viable approach to life extension, but anything beats eternal nothing.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Feel free to die then .
Just do n't imply some kind of immorality associated with not wanting to die [ tvtropes.org ] .
( Note : this comment does n't necessarily assume that cryogenics represents a viable approach to life extension , but anything beats eternal nothing .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Feel free to die then.
Just don't imply some kind of immorality associated with not wanting to die [tvtropes.org].
(Note: this comment doesn't necessarily assume that cryogenics represents a viable approach to life extension, but anything beats eternal nothing.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30131596</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah right</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1258484940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I certainly hope so. They aren't talking about a few years from now. If we don't have flying cars or better in 1000years i'd be very confused.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I certainly hope so .
They are n't talking about a few years from now .
If we do n't have flying cars or better in 1000years i 'd be very confused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I certainly hope so.
They aren't talking about a few years from now.
If we don't have flying cars or better in 1000years i'd be very confused.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30147594</id>
	<title>Re:Niven</title>
	<author>Rexdude</author>
	<datestamp>1257107820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was called 'The Patchwork Girl'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was called 'The Patchwork Girl' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was called 'The Patchwork Girl'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126868</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1258449540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, that's your choice.</p><p>I'm not particularly afraid of dying, but I'm also not afraid of living and experiencing new things.</p><p>As long as I'm reasonably healthy, I would like to go on.  When I am seriously injured or sick, just let me die quickly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that 's your choice.I 'm not particularly afraid of dying , but I 'm also not afraid of living and experiencing new things.As long as I 'm reasonably healthy , I would like to go on .
When I am seriously injured or sick , just let me die quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that's your choice.I'm not particularly afraid of dying, but I'm also not afraid of living and experiencing new things.As long as I'm reasonably healthy, I would like to go on.
When I am seriously injured or sick, just let me die quickly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128764</id>
	<title>More likely</title>
	<author>TrashGod</author>
	<datestamp>1258472820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"proud owner of a bank account brimming with money"</i>?<br> <br>You're more likely to wake up as the proud owner of a pile of IOUs. The politicians and their loyal voters have already spent the future.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" proud owner of a bank account brimming with money " ?
You 're more likely to wake up as the proud owner of a pile of IOUs .
The politicians and their loyal voters have already spent the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"proud owner of a bank account brimming with money"?
You're more likely to wake up as the proud owner of a pile of IOUs.
The politicians and their loyal voters have already spent the future.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126514</id>
	<title>one thing</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1258401420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's say you're cryogenically frozen, and that cryogenic freezing is lethal as seems to be the case.</p><p>Either:</p><p>1)  You are already dead, and thus revival is already a moot point<br>2)  The freeze kills you, revival is impossible, and the cryoplant is now on the hook for murder.</p><p>Given the current evidence against revival, anyone that places you in cryostasis while you are still alive is guilty of murder since they ought to know damn well you won't be coming back.</p><p>And if you're already dead, well, even if cryostasis didn't damage you any further you'd still be just as dead as before.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's say you 're cryogenically frozen , and that cryogenic freezing is lethal as seems to be the case.Either : 1 ) You are already dead , and thus revival is already a moot point2 ) The freeze kills you , revival is impossible , and the cryoplant is now on the hook for murder.Given the current evidence against revival , anyone that places you in cryostasis while you are still alive is guilty of murder since they ought to know damn well you wo n't be coming back.And if you 're already dead , well , even if cryostasis did n't damage you any further you 'd still be just as dead as before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's say you're cryogenically frozen, and that cryogenic freezing is lethal as seems to be the case.Either:1)  You are already dead, and thus revival is already a moot point2)  The freeze kills you, revival is impossible, and the cryoplant is now on the hook for murder.Given the current evidence against revival, anyone that places you in cryostasis while you are still alive is guilty of murder since they ought to know damn well you won't be coming back.And if you're already dead, well, even if cryostasis didn't damage you any further you'd still be just as dead as before.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30131910</id>
	<title>Re:hidden treasure then</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258485840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Alchemy is perfected, value of gold plummets... fail.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alchemy is perfected , value of gold plummets... fail. : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alchemy is perfected, value of gold plummets... fail. :(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126500</id>
	<title>Re:hah..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258401180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A more realistic scenario, after the people pay so much money, the cryo lab will go bankrupt due to the corporate officers leaving the country with all the cash.  Then by "accident", the liquid nitrogen tanks get removed, thawing out all the bodies in the tanks.</p><p>So, in in a few years time, any next of kin get urns in the mail, and an invoice for the cremation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A more realistic scenario , after the people pay so much money , the cryo lab will go bankrupt due to the corporate officers leaving the country with all the cash .
Then by " accident " , the liquid nitrogen tanks get removed , thawing out all the bodies in the tanks.So , in in a few years time , any next of kin get urns in the mail , and an invoice for the cremation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A more realistic scenario, after the people pay so much money, the cryo lab will go bankrupt due to the corporate officers leaving the country with all the cash.
Then by "accident", the liquid nitrogen tanks get removed, thawing out all the bodies in the tanks.So, in in a few years time, any next of kin get urns in the mail, and an invoice for the cremation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126288</id>
	<title>Re:eternal life: "can" does not mean "should"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258398720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can I have your lawn when you die?  I promise to stay off it until then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I have your lawn when you die ?
I promise to stay off it until then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I have your lawn when you die?
I promise to stay off it until then.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126274</id>
	<title>Dead don't inherit...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258398540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At present, there's no way to thaw a living human after deep freezing. With present day technology, deep frozen person means dead person (not just "mostly dead", either).<br>
Frozen meat can be cooked after thawing, so somebody in a dystopian future might benefit...</htmltext>
<tokenext>At present , there 's no way to thaw a living human after deep freezing .
With present day technology , deep frozen person means dead person ( not just " mostly dead " , either ) .
Frozen meat can be cooked after thawing , so somebody in a dystopian future might benefit.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At present, there's no way to thaw a living human after deep freezing.
With present day technology, deep frozen person means dead person (not just "mostly dead", either).
Frozen meat can be cooked after thawing, so somebody in a dystopian future might benefit...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128500</id>
	<title>money will have no meaning in a future...</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1258471500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance.'<br> <br>
Then why would someone keep your corpse frozen if all you can offer them is money?</htmltext>
<tokenext>money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance .
' Then why would someone keep your corpse frozen if all you can offer them is money ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance.
' 
Then why would someone keep your corpse frozen if all you can offer them is money?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30138222</id>
	<title>THIS IS NOT FREEZING!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258467780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see this repeated over and over in the comments. If you do not know what you are talking about STFU and stop spreading misinformation.<br>The entire reason it costs so much is because they are doing more than just dumping you into a vat of liquid nitrogen. Talk to anyone at Alcor or any of their members and they will be the first to tell you that ice formation is the number #1 problem in cryonics. Which is why they are still doing R&amp;D and making advances in their technique. They've come a long ways, if you look at the studies the vitrification process they are using on heads is pretty impressive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see this repeated over and over in the comments .
If you do not know what you are talking about STFU and stop spreading misinformation.The entire reason it costs so much is because they are doing more than just dumping you into a vat of liquid nitrogen .
Talk to anyone at Alcor or any of their members and they will be the first to tell you that ice formation is the number # 1 problem in cryonics .
Which is why they are still doing R&amp;D and making advances in their technique .
They 've come a long ways , if you look at the studies the vitrification process they are using on heads is pretty impressive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see this repeated over and over in the comments.
If you do not know what you are talking about STFU and stop spreading misinformation.The entire reason it costs so much is because they are doing more than just dumping you into a vat of liquid nitrogen.
Talk to anyone at Alcor or any of their members and they will be the first to tell you that ice formation is the number #1 problem in cryonics.
Which is why they are still doing R&amp;D and making advances in their technique.
They've come a long ways, if you look at the studies the vitrification process they are using on heads is pretty impressive.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30142606</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>bunkymag</author>
	<datestamp>1257086700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>[citation needed]
[citation needed]
[citation needed]</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ citation needed ] [ citation needed ] [ citation needed ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[citation needed]
[citation needed]
[citation needed]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126524</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>Penguinisto</author>
	<datestamp>1258401540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One word: Fembot.</p><p>Once a reasonable facsimile of a real woman happens (nowhere near there yet), the tables will likely be turned, and in a big way. And no this isn't some sort of weird geek fantasy talking.</p><p>Thing is, men and women behave differently. A male human being has to mature a whole hell of a lot before he begins to sexually appreciate a woman as more than a collection of pretty smells, nice curves, and a warm vagina. We guys (not universally, but on average) are driven sexually by our five senses (esp. vision) more than anything else. Women OTOH are driven by far more factors, and look for these factors far sooner than guys do. This is why a male sex robot is fairly useless (unless someone pops the Turing route a whole lot sooner than anyone expect, that is), while a fairly dumb female sex robot would happily be useful to an unfortunate majority of the male population.</p><p>Objectively, it would have a cheaper ROI, you can treat 'em like objects (guys have a history of that with real women anyway), and when you get bored with one, you can get another. There are faults with the theory, though. If you're turned on by, say, a woman's intelligence, you're going to be like most of the women out there - sorely disappointed. Besides, my missus wouldn't let me get one anyway.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Back to TFM's topic? Why take the risks of sending your wealth to your (probable) unrevivable corpse? Just have some of your stem cells frozen, then let 'em make a close of you, and give the money to the copy of you (it won't be you, but hey - at least your DNA can still have some fun with the dough). It's cheaper (way the hell cheaper), far more certain with today's technology than necro-cryogenics, and a handful of cells would take a lot less space than a whole frickin' corpsicle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One word : Fembot.Once a reasonable facsimile of a real woman happens ( nowhere near there yet ) , the tables will likely be turned , and in a big way .
And no this is n't some sort of weird geek fantasy talking.Thing is , men and women behave differently .
A male human being has to mature a whole hell of a lot before he begins to sexually appreciate a woman as more than a collection of pretty smells , nice curves , and a warm vagina .
We guys ( not universally , but on average ) are driven sexually by our five senses ( esp .
vision ) more than anything else .
Women OTOH are driven by far more factors , and look for these factors far sooner than guys do .
This is why a male sex robot is fairly useless ( unless someone pops the Turing route a whole lot sooner than anyone expect , that is ) , while a fairly dumb female sex robot would happily be useful to an unfortunate majority of the male population.Objectively , it would have a cheaper ROI , you can treat 'em like objects ( guys have a history of that with real women anyway ) , and when you get bored with one , you can get another .
There are faults with the theory , though .
If you 're turned on by , say , a woman 's intelligence , you 're going to be like most of the women out there - sorely disappointed .
Besides , my missus would n't let me get one anyway .
: ) Back to TFM 's topic ?
Why take the risks of sending your wealth to your ( probable ) unrevivable corpse ?
Just have some of your stem cells frozen , then let 'em make a close of you , and give the money to the copy of you ( it wo n't be you , but hey - at least your DNA can still have some fun with the dough ) .
It 's cheaper ( way the hell cheaper ) , far more certain with today 's technology than necro-cryogenics , and a handful of cells would take a lot less space than a whole frickin ' corpsicle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One word: Fembot.Once a reasonable facsimile of a real woman happens (nowhere near there yet), the tables will likely be turned, and in a big way.
And no this isn't some sort of weird geek fantasy talking.Thing is, men and women behave differently.
A male human being has to mature a whole hell of a lot before he begins to sexually appreciate a woman as more than a collection of pretty smells, nice curves, and a warm vagina.
We guys (not universally, but on average) are driven sexually by our five senses (esp.
vision) more than anything else.
Women OTOH are driven by far more factors, and look for these factors far sooner than guys do.
This is why a male sex robot is fairly useless (unless someone pops the Turing route a whole lot sooner than anyone expect, that is), while a fairly dumb female sex robot would happily be useful to an unfortunate majority of the male population.Objectively, it would have a cheaper ROI, you can treat 'em like objects (guys have a history of that with real women anyway), and when you get bored with one, you can get another.
There are faults with the theory, though.
If you're turned on by, say, a woman's intelligence, you're going to be like most of the women out there - sorely disappointed.
Besides, my missus wouldn't let me get one anyway.
:)Back to TFM's topic?
Why take the risks of sending your wealth to your (probable) unrevivable corpse?
Just have some of your stem cells frozen, then let 'em make a close of you, and give the money to the copy of you (it won't be you, but hey - at least your DNA can still have some fun with the dough).
It's cheaper (way the hell cheaper), far more certain with today's technology than necro-cryogenics, and a handful of cells would take a lot less space than a whole frickin' corpsicle.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30138758</id>
	<title>Re:There's an easier way</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258472100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its like that old internet scam, you send them money which they promise to keep in a bank account producing interes for centuries, eventually after the time machine has been build some body from the future, will send the earned interest to the past  back to you and keep 20\% for himself</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its like that old internet scam , you send them money which they promise to keep in a bank account producing interes for centuries , eventually after the time machine has been build some body from the future , will send the earned interest to the past back to you and keep 20 \ % for himself</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its like that old internet scam, you send them money which they promise to keep in a bank account producing interes for centuries, eventually after the time machine has been build some body from the future, will send the earned interest to the past  back to you and keep 20\% for himself</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127042</id>
	<title>legally dead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258452600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You get thawed out after x number of years in a hospital, and find you can't get out. And you feeling sick all the time. Some times you are in horrible pain. Slowly you realize you are being used as a human guinea pig for all sorts of nasty and painful experiments.</p><p>"You can't do this to me!"</p><p>"Yes we can. Technically, your dead. Well, legally dead, and that is all that matters."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You get thawed out after x number of years in a hospital , and find you ca n't get out .
And you feeling sick all the time .
Some times you are in horrible pain .
Slowly you realize you are being used as a human guinea pig for all sorts of nasty and painful experiments .
" You ca n't do this to me !
" " Yes we can .
Technically , your dead .
Well , legally dead , and that is all that matters .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You get thawed out after x number of years in a hospital, and find you can't get out.
And you feeling sick all the time.
Some times you are in horrible pain.
Slowly you realize you are being used as a human guinea pig for all sorts of nasty and painful experiments.
"You can't do this to me!
""Yes we can.
Technically, your dead.
Well, legally dead, and that is all that matters.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127370</id>
	<title>Re:Completely impossible, reviving after freezing</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1258458000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even a 1\% chance to live forever is worth an infinite number of years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even a 1 \ % chance to live forever is worth an infinite number of years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even a 1\% chance to live forever is worth an infinite number of years.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30131154</id>
	<title>Re:Cryo has got to be the most brilliant scam ever</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258483440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>freezing tissue destroys all the cells and turns everything into mush</p></div><p>Right, that's why if you freeze an embryo, you can't revive it and implant it and expect it to develop into a fetus and later a baby.  It's just dead, because it was destroyed in the freezing process.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>freezing tissue destroys all the cells and turns everything into mushRight , that 's why if you freeze an embryo , you ca n't revive it and implant it and expect it to develop into a fetus and later a baby .
It 's just dead , because it was destroyed in the freezing process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>freezing tissue destroys all the cells and turns everything into mushRight, that's why if you freeze an embryo, you can't revive it and implant it and expect it to develop into a fetus and later a baby.
It's just dead, because it was destroyed in the freezing process.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126374</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258399440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about artificial pleasure?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about artificial pleasure ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about artificial pleasure?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30129672</id>
	<title>Re:Remember what happened to Fry</title>
	<author>kalirion</author>
	<datestamp>1258476780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But you'll be a billionaire once you bother to check your bank account!</p><p>Just stay away from anchovies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But you 'll be a billionaire once you bother to check your bank account ! Just stay away from anchovies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But you'll be a billionaire once you bother to check your bank account!Just stay away from anchovies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30136756</id>
	<title>Re:hah..</title>
	<author>kuzb</author>
	<datestamp>1258459500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Your cryogenic machine will be unplugged by some of the 78 trillion inhabitants of earth and your body will be used for food. Power shortages will have already rendered your flesh ripe and unpalatable, but you will be consumed regardless.</i> </p><p>This is why instead of investing in cryogenics, I'm investing in soylent green.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your cryogenic machine will be unplugged by some of the 78 trillion inhabitants of earth and your body will be used for food .
Power shortages will have already rendered your flesh ripe and unpalatable , but you will be consumed regardless .
This is why instead of investing in cryogenics , I 'm investing in soylent green .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Your cryogenic machine will be unplugged by some of the 78 trillion inhabitants of earth and your body will be used for food.
Power shortages will have already rendered your flesh ripe and unpalatable, but you will be consumed regardless.
This is why instead of investing in cryogenics, I'm investing in soylent green.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127772</id>
	<title>Re:Niven</title>
	<author>Tejin</author>
	<datestamp>1258464780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or A World out of Time. In that one the state decided that property willed by frozen people to themselves was forfeit, and thawed people had no rights under the law, being legally dead still.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or A World out of Time .
In that one the state decided that property willed by frozen people to themselves was forfeit , and thawed people had no rights under the law , being legally dead still .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or A World out of Time.
In that one the state decided that property willed by frozen people to themselves was forfeit, and thawed people had no rights under the law, being legally dead still.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127258</id>
	<title>Re:There's an easier way</title>
	<author>blackest\_k</author>
	<datestamp>1258456620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>one slight  problem with that</p><p><a href="http://www.unclaimedfinances.co.uk/facts-dormant-bank-accounts-government-act.html" title="unclaimedfinances.co.uk">http://www.unclaimedfinances.co.uk/facts-dormant-bank-accounts-government-act.html</a> [unclaimedfinances.co.uk]<br>In November 2008 the government passed the Dormant Bank and Building Society Accounts Act. One of the major principles of the act is to reinvest unclaimed money back into the community. So what exactly does this mean for those who are looking to reclaim their lost money?</p><p>Dormant Bank Accounts and Unclaimed Assets<br>In banking terms a bank account is dormant if there has been no customer activity within a set time period; usually between three and 15 years. Most banks will write to customers asking if they wish the account to remain active. However, in a number of cases banks will not be able to reach customers due to reasons such as moving home or name changes. Customers can still reclaim money in dormant bank accounts even if the money has been redistributed under the Dormant Bank Account Act.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>one slight problem with thathttp : //www.unclaimedfinances.co.uk/facts-dormant-bank-accounts-government-act.html [ unclaimedfinances.co.uk ] In November 2008 the government passed the Dormant Bank and Building Society Accounts Act .
One of the major principles of the act is to reinvest unclaimed money back into the community .
So what exactly does this mean for those who are looking to reclaim their lost money ? Dormant Bank Accounts and Unclaimed AssetsIn banking terms a bank account is dormant if there has been no customer activity within a set time period ; usually between three and 15 years .
Most banks will write to customers asking if they wish the account to remain active .
However , in a number of cases banks will not be able to reach customers due to reasons such as moving home or name changes .
Customers can still reclaim money in dormant bank accounts even if the money has been redistributed under the Dormant Bank Account Act .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>one slight  problem with thathttp://www.unclaimedfinances.co.uk/facts-dormant-bank-accounts-government-act.html [unclaimedfinances.co.uk]In November 2008 the government passed the Dormant Bank and Building Society Accounts Act.
One of the major principles of the act is to reinvest unclaimed money back into the community.
So what exactly does this mean for those who are looking to reclaim their lost money?Dormant Bank Accounts and Unclaimed AssetsIn banking terms a bank account is dormant if there has been no customer activity within a set time period; usually between three and 15 years.
Most banks will write to customers asking if they wish the account to remain active.
However, in a number of cases banks will not be able to reach customers due to reasons such as moving home or name changes.
Customers can still reclaim money in dormant bank accounts even if the money has been redistributed under the Dormant Bank Account Act.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30131648</id>
	<title>Re:There's an easier way</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1258485120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have the popsicle company you are donating your corpse to run your finances while you are gone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have the popsicle company you are donating your corpse to run your finances while you are gone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have the popsicle company you are donating your corpse to run your finances while you are gone?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127694</id>
	<title>Re:Money rusts</title>
	<author>teh kurisu</author>
	<datestamp>1258463340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have your drachma in notes, they're still worth 1/340.75 of a euro, at least <a href="http://eng.bankofgreece.gr/en/euro/EuroBanknotesAndCoins.asp#3" title="bankofgreece.gr">until the 1st of March 2012</a> [bankofgreece.gr], because the Bank of Greece will still exchange them based on the face value.</p><p>If your drachma were sitting in a bank account then they were probably converted automatically to euros.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have your drachma in notes , they 're still worth 1/340.75 of a euro , at least until the 1st of March 2012 [ bankofgreece.gr ] , because the Bank of Greece will still exchange them based on the face value.If your drachma were sitting in a bank account then they were probably converted automatically to euros .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have your drachma in notes, they're still worth 1/340.75 of a euro, at least until the 1st of March 2012 [bankofgreece.gr], because the Bank of Greece will still exchange them based on the face value.If your drachma were sitting in a bank account then they were probably converted automatically to euros.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30130178</id>
	<title>It will be Utopia I tell you</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1258478880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt; some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance</p><p>Are they also expecting the concept of profit-making businesses to go away then?</p><p>Back in the 50's they said by the 70's electricity would be free because of  nuclear power.<br>I'm still receiving (significant) electricity bills and its 2009.</p><p>The point is that we're not paying just to cover the cost of producing something, Comapnies will always charge about 5\% more than whatever they can get away with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundanceAre they also expecting the concept of profit-making businesses to go away then ? Back in the 50 's they said by the 70 's electricity would be free because of nuclear power.I 'm still receiving ( significant ) electricity bills and its 2009.The point is that we 're not paying just to cover the cost of producing something , Comapnies will always charge about 5 \ % more than whatever they can get away with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundanceAre they also expecting the concept of profit-making businesses to go away then?Back in the 50's they said by the 70's electricity would be free because of  nuclear power.I'm still receiving (significant) electricity bills and its 2009.The point is that we're not paying just to cover the cost of producing something, Comapnies will always charge about 5\% more than whatever they can get away with.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30137090</id>
	<title>Re:Cryo has got to be the most brilliant scam ever</title>
	<author>Edmund Blackadder</author>
	<datestamp>1258460940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you ever noticed how meat tastes so much different when it has been frozen and thawed than when it is fresh. I thought the difference was obvious and well known, but I suppose nowadays most people only eat frozen meat so they don't know. Well I will not go off on another rant about how fast food is changing America, but freezing definitely destroys cells and plays all kinds of havoc with DNA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever noticed how meat tastes so much different when it has been frozen and thawed than when it is fresh .
I thought the difference was obvious and well known , but I suppose nowadays most people only eat frozen meat so they do n't know .
Well I will not go off on another rant about how fast food is changing America , but freezing definitely destroys cells and plays all kinds of havoc with DNA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever noticed how meat tastes so much different when it has been frozen and thawed than when it is fresh.
I thought the difference was obvious and well known, but I suppose nowadays most people only eat frozen meat so they don't know.
Well I will not go off on another rant about how fast food is changing America, but freezing definitely destroys cells and plays all kinds of havoc with DNA.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127268</id>
	<title>Re:Money in the future</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1258456680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>We guys (not universally, but on average) are driven sexually by our five senses (esp. vision) more than anything else. Women OTOH are driven by far more factors, and look for these factors far sooner than guys do</p></div></blockquote><p>My money is on Menbots. Men-bots are already here and already selling like hot cakes. They're big vibrators attached to plastic torsos. When you think about it, that's all a woman really needs (her imagination and her female friends can provide the rest).
For men, just give us bigger LCD screens. That's all we need. For me at least, my eyes always see bigger than my hands, and my perfect female sexual partner (even if in robotic/inflatable form) just couldn't be bound by any of the natural laws of Physical Science. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We guys ( not universally , but on average ) are driven sexually by our five senses ( esp .
vision ) more than anything else .
Women OTOH are driven by far more factors , and look for these factors far sooner than guys doMy money is on Menbots .
Men-bots are already here and already selling like hot cakes .
They 're big vibrators attached to plastic torsos .
When you think about it , that 's all a woman really needs ( her imagination and her female friends can provide the rest ) .
For men , just give us bigger LCD screens .
That 's all we need .
For me at least , my eyes always see bigger than my hands , and my perfect female sexual partner ( even if in robotic/inflatable form ) just could n't be bound by any of the natural laws of Physical Science .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We guys (not universally, but on average) are driven sexually by our five senses (esp.
vision) more than anything else.
Women OTOH are driven by far more factors, and look for these factors far sooner than guys doMy money is on Menbots.
Men-bots are already here and already selling like hot cakes.
They're big vibrators attached to plastic torsos.
When you think about it, that's all a woman really needs (her imagination and her female friends can provide the rest).
For men, just give us bigger LCD screens.
That's all we need.
For me at least, my eyes always see bigger than my hands, and my perfect female sexual partner (even if in robotic/inflatable form) just couldn't be bound by any of the natural laws of Physical Science. 
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30126232</id>
	<title>Money in the future</title>
	<author>Profane MuthaFucka</author>
	<datestamp>1258398000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If nanotech can manufacture anything, it's tempting to think there will be no money. But I can guarantee you that women will find a way to keep pussy scarce, artificially inflating the value. That's always going to be a currency.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If nanotech can manufacture anything , it 's tempting to think there will be no money .
But I can guarantee you that women will find a way to keep pussy scarce , artificially inflating the value .
That 's always going to be a currency .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If nanotech can manufacture anything, it's tempting to think there will be no money.
But I can guarantee you that women will find a way to keep pussy scarce, artificially inflating the value.
That's always going to be a currency.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30137714</id>
	<title>Re:There's an easier way</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1258464300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If that, even. There are few, if any, investments in existence that can do all three of:</p><p>1) compound interest with no human interaction for that length of time</p><p>2) guarantee a net positive return</p><p>3) have an average annual rate of return better than the average annual inflation rate</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If that , even .
There are few , if any , investments in existence that can do all three of : 1 ) compound interest with no human interaction for that length of time2 ) guarantee a net positive return3 ) have an average annual rate of return better than the average annual inflation rate</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If that, even.
There are few, if any, investments in existence that can do all three of:1) compound interest with no human interaction for that length of time2) guarantee a net positive return3) have an average annual rate of return better than the average annual inflation rate</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128382</id>
	<title>Mmmmm..... Mega-Abundance....</title>
	<author>GPLDAN</author>
	<datestamp>1258470900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>in the future, we can all haz cheeseburger?<br> <br>



<a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/\_X1IWXuEbgXI/SY\_U2tV1tPI/AAAAAAAABAY/D1K3CBvtlpo/s1600-h/Hurley+I+can+haz+cheeseburger+lost.dib" title="blogspot.com">http://1.bp.blogspot.com/\_X1IWXuEbgXI/SY\_U2tV1tPI/AAAAAAAABAY/D1K3CBvtlpo/s1600-h/Hurley+I+can+haz+cheeseburger+lost.dib</a> [blogspot.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>in the future , we can all haz cheeseburger ?
http : //1.bp.blogspot.com/ \ _X1IWXuEbgXI/SY \ _U2tV1tPI/AAAAAAAABAY/D1K3CBvtlpo/s1600-h/Hurley + I + can + haz + cheeseburger + lost.dib [ blogspot.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in the future, we can all haz cheeseburger?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/\_X1IWXuEbgXI/SY\_U2tV1tPI/AAAAAAAABAY/D1K3CBvtlpo/s1600-h/Hurley+I+can+haz+cheeseburger+lost.dib [blogspot.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30129954</id>
	<title>Re:There's an easier way</title>
	<author>clone53421</author>
	<datestamp>1258477920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed. You'll be lucky if it's enough to cover the expense of thawing you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
You 'll be lucky if it 's enough to cover the expense of thawing you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
You'll be lucky if it's enough to cover the expense of thawing you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30129228</id>
	<title>Re:There's an easier way</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1258475160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The government sells inflation-protected bonds. So instead of getting 4\% on your money and taking your chances with inflation, you get 2\% interest on top of whatever the inflation rate is (basically).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The government sells inflation-protected bonds .
So instead of getting 4 \ % on your money and taking your chances with inflation , you get 2 \ % interest on top of whatever the inflation rate is ( basically ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The government sells inflation-protected bonds.
So instead of getting 4\% on your money and taking your chances with inflation, you get 2\% interest on top of whatever the inflation rate is (basically).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30130742</id>
	<title>Re:Completely impossible, reviving after freezing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258481580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a possibility of a future civilization being able to scan and reconstruct your brain from the damaged gray goo that was frozen.... then scanned into a computer and a completely new body (mechanical or biological) created to replace it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p><p>ie: ``Nothing is impossible!'' ---Futurama</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a possibility of a future civilization being able to scan and reconstruct your brain from the damaged gray goo that was frozen.... then scanned into a computer and a completely new body ( mechanical or biological ) created to replace it : - ) ie : ` ` Nothing is impossible !
' ' ---Futurama</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a possibility of a future civilization being able to scan and reconstruct your brain from the damaged gray goo that was frozen.... then scanned into a computer and a completely new body (mechanical or biological) created to replace it :-)ie: ``Nothing is impossible!
'' ---Futurama</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30127748</id>
	<title>Re:You're playing their game</title>
	<author>bkr1\_2k</author>
	<datestamp>1258464240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the problem is, is the beneficiary has to be some legal entity.  Obviously the easy way around that is to incorporate yourself and then leave your life insurance to the corporation, but someone must be around to help pay taxes and the like, because otherwise all the money is eventually forfeited to the government.</p><p>The easier solution is to do like most sane people; live a good life, marry, have real heirs and leave your wealth to them so that they in turn can do it with their children.  Immortality happens in another realm than this one, and there's no point in trying to "cheat death".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the problem is , is the beneficiary has to be some legal entity .
Obviously the easy way around that is to incorporate yourself and then leave your life insurance to the corporation , but someone must be around to help pay taxes and the like , because otherwise all the money is eventually forfeited to the government.The easier solution is to do like most sane people ; live a good life , marry , have real heirs and leave your wealth to them so that they in turn can do it with their children .
Immortality happens in another realm than this one , and there 's no point in trying to " cheat death " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the problem is, is the beneficiary has to be some legal entity.
Obviously the easy way around that is to incorporate yourself and then leave your life insurance to the corporation, but someone must be around to help pay taxes and the like, because otherwise all the money is eventually forfeited to the government.The easier solution is to do like most sane people; live a good life, marry, have real heirs and leave your wealth to them so that they in turn can do it with their children.
Immortality happens in another realm than this one, and there's no point in trying to "cheat death".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128074</id>
	<title>money will have no meaning, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258468320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"There's one important caveat: some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance.'"<br>Neither will humans!<br>Sincerely,<br>Nanties</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" There 's one important caveat : some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance .
' " Neither will humans ! Sincerely,Nanties</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"There's one important caveat: some insist that money 'will have no meaning in a future dominated by advanced molecular manufacturing or other engines of mega-abundance.
'"Neither will humans!Sincerely,Nanties</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30128854</id>
	<title>This could work.....IF.....</title>
	<author>avatar\_charlie</author>
	<datestamp>1258473180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>.....your banker doesn't do the other obvious sci-fi play and shave your interest off at regular intervals (the "Superman III scam") or a precipitous decline in fertility prevents your ever being thawed ("Children of Men"), or you're launched into space on a sleeper ship, and wake up to find not only wildly different economics (ST:TNG "The Neutral Zone") or that you're under the "command" of a psychotic genetically-engineered madman (ST:TOS "Space Seed", "Wrath of Khan").</htmltext>
<tokenext>.....your banker does n't do the other obvious sci-fi play and shave your interest off at regular intervals ( the " Superman III scam " ) or a precipitous decline in fertility prevents your ever being thawed ( " Children of Men " ) , or you 're launched into space on a sleeper ship , and wake up to find not only wildly different economics ( ST : TNG " The Neutral Zone " ) or that you 're under the " command " of a psychotic genetically-engineered madman ( ST : TOS " Space Seed " , " Wrath of Khan " ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.....your banker doesn't do the other obvious sci-fi play and shave your interest off at regular intervals (the "Superman III scam") or a precipitous decline in fertility prevents your ever being thawed ("Children of Men"), or you're launched into space on a sleeper ship, and wake up to find not only wildly different economics (ST:TNG "The Neutral Zone") or that you're under the "command" of a psychotic genetically-engineered madman (ST:TOS "Space Seed", "Wrath of Khan").</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_16_189255.30131122</id>
	<title>Re:Money rusts</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1258483320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>How much is a Drachma worth today?</p></div></blockquote><p>Depends <i>which</i> drachma you are referring to: if you are referring to the silver coin of ancient Greece traded for its metal value with a weight around 4.3 grams, then about USD 2.67.</p><p>Now, that is very roughly an order of magnitude less purchasing power than when it was minted, but a single drachma, invested 1\% interest compounded annually over 2,500 years would still be worth around $700 billion, even given the decline in the purchasing power of silver. Most people would consider this a sizable fortune.</p><p>The real problem that would make it worthless isn't that the currency in which the entitlement is denominated has become worthless, but that neither a legal system that would enforce the contract entered into 2,500 years ago, nor any party against which the debt could be enforced even if any legal system would do so, exists now.</p><p>Financial investments are social constructs dependent on the continued existence of social institutions.</p></div>
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<tokenext>How much is a Drachma worth today ? Depends which drachma you are referring to : if you are referring to the silver coin of ancient Greece traded for its metal value with a weight around 4.3 grams , then about USD 2.67.Now , that is very roughly an order of magnitude less purchasing power than when it was minted , but a single drachma , invested 1 \ % interest compounded annually over 2,500 years would still be worth around $ 700 billion , even given the decline in the purchasing power of silver .
Most people would consider this a sizable fortune.The real problem that would make it worthless is n't that the currency in which the entitlement is denominated has become worthless , but that neither a legal system that would enforce the contract entered into 2,500 years ago , nor any party against which the debt could be enforced even if any legal system would do so , exists now.Financial investments are social constructs dependent on the continued existence of social institutions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much is a Drachma worth today?Depends which drachma you are referring to: if you are referring to the silver coin of ancient Greece traded for its metal value with a weight around 4.3 grams, then about USD 2.67.Now, that is very roughly an order of magnitude less purchasing power than when it was minted, but a single drachma, invested 1\% interest compounded annually over 2,500 years would still be worth around $700 billion, even given the decline in the purchasing power of silver.
Most people would consider this a sizable fortune.The real problem that would make it worthless isn't that the currency in which the entitlement is denominated has become worthless, but that neither a legal system that would enforce the contract entered into 2,500 years ago, nor any party against which the debt could be enforced even if any legal system would do so, exists now.Financial investments are social constructs dependent on the continued existence of social institutions.
	</sentencetext>
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