<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_14_1511211</id>
	<title>German Killers Sue Wikipedia To Remove Their Names</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1258215360000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Jason Levine writes <i>"Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990.  Now that they are out of prison, German law states that they can't be referred to by name in relation to the killings.  Therefore, they have <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/us/13wiki.html?\_r=1">sued to get Wikipedia to remove their names</a> from the Wikipedia article about the killings.  The German edition of Wikipedia has already complied, but the English edition is citing US freedom of speech and a lack of presence in Germany as reasons why they don't need to remove the name.  In a bit of irony, their lawyer e-mailed the NY Times: 'In the spirit of this discussion, I trust that you will not mention my clients' names in your article.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jason Levine writes " Wolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990 .
Now that they are out of prison , German law states that they ca n't be referred to by name in relation to the killings .
Therefore , they have sued to get Wikipedia to remove their names from the Wikipedia article about the killings .
The German edition of Wikipedia has already complied , but the English edition is citing US freedom of speech and a lack of presence in Germany as reasons why they do n't need to remove the name .
In a bit of irony , their lawyer e-mailed the NY Times : 'In the spirit of this discussion , I trust that you will not mention my clients ' names in your article .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jason Levine writes "Wolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990.
Now that they are out of prison, German law states that they can't be referred to by name in relation to the killings.
Therefore, they have sued to get Wikipedia to remove their names from the Wikipedia article about the killings.
The German edition of Wikipedia has already complied, but the English edition is citing US freedom of speech and a lack of presence in Germany as reasons why they don't need to remove the name.
In a bit of irony, their lawyer e-mailed the NY Times: 'In the spirit of this discussion, I trust that you will not mention my clients' names in your article.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30103552</id>
	<title>If you want to have a warm winter,Start here.</title>
	<author>coolforsale132</author>
	<datestamp>1258218120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30104056</id>
	<title>Maybe there's some other German murderers</title>
	<author>randyleepublic</author>
	<datestamp>1258223520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>that Germany would like people to forget about?  What about the Nazis?  Don't they have a right to have their mis-deeds expunged from history as well?</htmltext>
<tokenext>that Germany would like people to forget about ?
What about the Nazis ?
Do n't they have a right to have their mis-deeds expunged from history as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that Germany would like people to forget about?
What about the Nazis?
Don't they have a right to have their mis-deeds expunged from history as well?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30100404</id>
	<title>But here in the good old USA...</title>
	<author>kurfu</author>
	<datestamp>1258190400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And here in the good old US of A if you are an 18 year old that gets caught having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend, not only will you do some prison time, but your name will appear on the publicly available sex offender website for the rest of your life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And here in the good old US of A if you are an 18 year old that gets caught having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend , not only will you do some prison time , but your name will appear on the publicly available sex offender website for the rest of your life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And here in the good old US of A if you are an 18 year old that gets caught having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend, not only will you do some prison time, but your name will appear on the publicly available sex offender website for the rest of your life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30104346</id>
	<title>Re:Get your lawyers ready /.</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1258227000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>Ah, but you see in the '60s and '70s we began to make so many more things illegal. After all, the State had to have an excuse to exercise their power, and given the general recalcitrance of Americans, this meant making more and more things illegal with which to have a 'legitimate' excuse to control them.</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , but you see in the '60s and '70s we began to make so many more things illegal .
After all , the State had to have an excuse to exercise their power , and given the general recalcitrance of Americans , this meant making more and more things illegal with which to have a 'legitimate ' excuse to control them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, but you see in the '60s and '70s we began to make so many more things illegal.
After all, the State had to have an excuse to exercise their power, and given the general recalcitrance of Americans, this meant making more and more things illegal with which to have a 'legitimate' excuse to control them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30100102</id>
	<title>Sure...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258231560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, oh...<br>Someone please send an email to Reporters Without Borders. They made a mistake... Because US respects freedom of speech and press. They ranked US at the 20th position of 2009 and Germany at 18th...</p><p>Hahahaha... Yea baby Freedom of Speech<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... not in the US though!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , oh...Someone please send an email to Reporters Without Borders .
They made a mistake... Because US respects freedom of speech and press .
They ranked US at the 20th position of 2009 and Germany at 18th...Hahahaha... Yea baby Freedom of Speech ... not in the US though !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, oh...Someone please send an email to Reporters Without Borders.
They made a mistake... Because US respects freedom of speech and press.
They ranked US at the 20th position of 2009 and Germany at 18th...Hahahaha... Yea baby Freedom of Speech ... not in the US though!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099420</id>
	<title>What's the point?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258227060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/US\_incarceration\_timeline-clean.svg</p><p>Sometimes - even if you kill someone - society must eventually forgive you to some degree.  Or you get the linked graph.  I understand why someone related to the victim might not want to forgive a criminal, but US society as a whole needs to do a better job.  Some of the replies in this thread are just disturbing.  If you think you're justified in simply hating everyone who has served time, you're wrong.  Just wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/US \ _incarceration \ _timeline-clean.svgSometimes - even if you kill someone - society must eventually forgive you to some degree .
Or you get the linked graph .
I understand why someone related to the victim might not want to forgive a criminal , but US society as a whole needs to do a better job .
Some of the replies in this thread are just disturbing .
If you think you 're justified in simply hating everyone who has served time , you 're wrong .
Just wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/US\_incarceration\_timeline-clean.svgSometimes - even if you kill someone - society must eventually forgive you to some degree.
Or you get the linked graph.
I understand why someone related to the victim might not want to forgive a criminal, but US society as a whole needs to do a better job.
Some of the replies in this thread are just disturbing.
If you think you're justified in simply hating everyone who has served time, you're wrong.
Just wrong.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098280</id>
	<title>A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258220280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure a lot of people are going to come out against the position of Germany's culture on this, citing freedom of speech. Freedom of speech, in the United States at least, is not given to citizens so that they can harm other people's reputations or hold them accountable for their actions. It is there so that actions by the government can be openly criticized and constructive dialog be established between (and amongst) citizens and the government, without fear of reprisal. It is there for the betterment of everyone. If there is no benefit to society, no protection is granted.</p><p>These people have served their sentences. They have been punished according to the law of their land, and then released. In this country, a person's criminal record haunts them for life -- denying them jobs, restricting their freedoms, and in some cases leading to a greatly diminished quality of life such that they are forced into criminal enterprise in order to meet basic needs. But in Germany, these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption. It is recognized that people make mistakes, but these mistakes shouldn't haunt them for the rest of their lives. The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next.</p><p>As far as the internet -- do we really want it to be a tool that enables a person's past mistakes to haunt them forever? That any personal information, once released into it, somehow becomes public property? Those naked photos your boyfriend took of you when you thought you'd be with him forever -- are those public property once he breaks up with you and posts them online? How about the records of your divorce, or the reasons why you were fired? What about that one night when your best friend tried to walk out of the bar drunk, and you stole the car keys and the two of you got into a big fight and the police were called? You want the whole world to know about these things? Or--was it just a mistake and once amends have been made then that's the end of it?</p><p>Just because the information is out there doesn't mean it should be. Information doesn't have rights -- people do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure a lot of people are going to come out against the position of Germany 's culture on this , citing freedom of speech .
Freedom of speech , in the United States at least , is not given to citizens so that they can harm other people 's reputations or hold them accountable for their actions .
It is there so that actions by the government can be openly criticized and constructive dialog be established between ( and amongst ) citizens and the government , without fear of reprisal .
It is there for the betterment of everyone .
If there is no benefit to society , no protection is granted.These people have served their sentences .
They have been punished according to the law of their land , and then released .
In this country , a person 's criminal record haunts them for life -- denying them jobs , restricting their freedoms , and in some cases leading to a greatly diminished quality of life such that they are forced into criminal enterprise in order to meet basic needs .
But in Germany , these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption .
It is recognized that people make mistakes , but these mistakes should n't haunt them for the rest of their lives .
The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next.As far as the internet -- do we really want it to be a tool that enables a person 's past mistakes to haunt them forever ?
That any personal information , once released into it , somehow becomes public property ?
Those naked photos your boyfriend took of you when you thought you 'd be with him forever -- are those public property once he breaks up with you and posts them online ?
How about the records of your divorce , or the reasons why you were fired ?
What about that one night when your best friend tried to walk out of the bar drunk , and you stole the car keys and the two of you got into a big fight and the police were called ?
You want the whole world to know about these things ?
Or--was it just a mistake and once amends have been made then that 's the end of it ? Just because the information is out there does n't mean it should be .
Information does n't have rights -- people do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure a lot of people are going to come out against the position of Germany's culture on this, citing freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech, in the United States at least, is not given to citizens so that they can harm other people's reputations or hold them accountable for their actions.
It is there so that actions by the government can be openly criticized and constructive dialog be established between (and amongst) citizens and the government, without fear of reprisal.
It is there for the betterment of everyone.
If there is no benefit to society, no protection is granted.These people have served their sentences.
They have been punished according to the law of their land, and then released.
In this country, a person's criminal record haunts them for life -- denying them jobs, restricting their freedoms, and in some cases leading to a greatly diminished quality of life such that they are forced into criminal enterprise in order to meet basic needs.
But in Germany, these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption.
It is recognized that people make mistakes, but these mistakes shouldn't haunt them for the rest of their lives.
The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next.As far as the internet -- do we really want it to be a tool that enables a person's past mistakes to haunt them forever?
That any personal information, once released into it, somehow becomes public property?
Those naked photos your boyfriend took of you when you thought you'd be with him forever -- are those public property once he breaks up with you and posts them online?
How about the records of your divorce, or the reasons why you were fired?
What about that one night when your best friend tried to walk out of the bar drunk, and you stole the car keys and the two of you got into a big fight and the police were called?
You want the whole world to know about these things?
Or--was it just a mistake and once amends have been made then that's the end of it?Just because the information is out there doesn't mean it should be.
Information doesn't have rights -- people do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099958</id>
	<title>Re: A fresh start</title>
	<author>Maelwryth</author>
	<datestamp>1258230660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Redemption. It is hoped that this act will haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives because they are human. If you don't believe they have a chance to redeem themselves, if only in their own eyes or in the eyes of the people who love them, then they should have been killed as soon as they were found guilty. A lifetime is a very long time though, some of us make mistakes. Some of us make horrendous mistakes.It is hoped that we would learn from them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Redemption .
It is hoped that this act will haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives because they are human .
If you do n't believe they have a chance to redeem themselves , if only in their own eyes or in the eyes of the people who love them , then they should have been killed as soon as they were found guilty .
A lifetime is a very long time though , some of us make mistakes .
Some of us make horrendous mistakes.It is hoped that we would learn from them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Redemption.
It is hoped that this act will haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives because they are human.
If you don't believe they have a chance to redeem themselves, if only in their own eyes or in the eyes of the people who love them, then they should have been killed as soon as they were found guilty.
A lifetime is a very long time though, some of us make mistakes.
Some of us make horrendous mistakes.It is hoped that we would learn from them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099442</id>
	<title>Ridiculous</title>
	<author>uvajed\_ekil</author>
	<datestamp>1258227240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990, and the court system involves sees fit to let them out of prison now, I can accept that. I think serving less than twenty years for a planned murder is too little, but I am not German. But because I am not German, I can also mention that Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990, all I want. Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990. At least we are free to state solid facts in the US, like that Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990. Laws that prevent Germans from saying that Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990, and those that prevent many images related to the Holocaust and Nazism, make me wonder if Germany is turning a blind eye to history and may be condemned to repeat it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If Wolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990 , and the court system involves sees fit to let them out of prison now , I can accept that .
I think serving less than twenty years for a planned murder is too little , but I am not German .
But because I am not German , I can also mention that Wolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990 , all I want .
Wolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990 .
At least we are free to state solid facts in the US , like that Wolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990 .
Laws that prevent Germans from saying that Wolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990 , and those that prevent many images related to the Holocaust and Nazism , make me wonder if Germany is turning a blind eye to history and may be condemned to repeat it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Wolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990, and the court system involves sees fit to let them out of prison now, I can accept that.
I think serving less than twenty years for a planned murder is too little, but I am not German.
But because I am not German, I can also mention that Wolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990, all I want.
Wolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990.
At least we are free to state solid facts in the US, like that Wolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990.
Laws that prevent Germans from saying that Wolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990, and those that prevent many images related to the Holocaust and Nazism, make me wonder if Germany is turning a blind eye to history and may be condemned to repeat it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30110576</id>
	<title>redemption is possible</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1258292040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but redemption should be considered on an individual basis, not a societal basis</p><p>in other words, i'm will to give these guys a chance to be considered redeemed, but i'd like to be the one giving that redemption on my own terms, not on society's terms, if i ever interact with these guys</p><p>therefore, i'd like to know their past. having that knowledge does not mean i will automatically condemn them forever. i know it was a long time ago, and i am willing to give them fresh consideration. but i'd like to be the one doing that</p><p>so why does the german law assume german citizens are eternally condemning? why doesn't the german law assume that german citizens are open-minded and fair-minded and able to consider redemption on their own basis?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but redemption should be considered on an individual basis , not a societal basisin other words , i 'm will to give these guys a chance to be considered redeemed , but i 'd like to be the one giving that redemption on my own terms , not on society 's terms , if i ever interact with these guystherefore , i 'd like to know their past .
having that knowledge does not mean i will automatically condemn them forever .
i know it was a long time ago , and i am willing to give them fresh consideration .
but i 'd like to be the one doing thatso why does the german law assume german citizens are eternally condemning ?
why does n't the german law assume that german citizens are open-minded and fair-minded and able to consider redemption on their own basis ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but redemption should be considered on an individual basis, not a societal basisin other words, i'm will to give these guys a chance to be considered redeemed, but i'd like to be the one giving that redemption on my own terms, not on society's terms, if i ever interact with these guystherefore, i'd like to know their past.
having that knowledge does not mean i will automatically condemn them forever.
i know it was a long time ago, and i am willing to give them fresh consideration.
but i'd like to be the one doing thatso why does the german law assume german citizens are eternally condemning?
why doesn't the german law assume that german citizens are open-minded and fair-minded and able to consider redemption on their own basis?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30115786</id>
	<title>Re: A fresh start</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1258388880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>An act like this *should* haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives.</p></div></blockquote><p>
That fact(murder) does haunt any person. Just ask any soldier, what were his feeling before and after his first kill. And it haunts any normal(not clinically insane), even if murder was an actual mistake(a.k.a accident -&gt; death from severe allergic reaction comes to mind).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>An act like this * should * haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives .
That fact ( murder ) does haunt any person .
Just ask any soldier , what were his feeling before and after his first kill .
And it haunts any normal ( not clinically insane ) , even if murder was an actual mistake ( a.k.a accident - &gt; death from severe allergic reaction comes to mind ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An act like this *should* haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives.
That fact(murder) does haunt any person.
Just ask any soldier, what were his feeling before and after his first kill.
And it haunts any normal(not clinically insane), even if murder was an actual mistake(a.k.a accident -&gt; death from severe allergic reaction comes to mind).
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098248</id>
	<title>Now that they are out of prison....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258220100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They did get out of prison, but both where sentenced to life, so lets wait until they have completed there sentence, and then remove there names from Wikipedia. (but only if they ask nicely).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They did get out of prison , but both where sentenced to life , so lets wait until they have completed there sentence , and then remove there names from Wikipedia .
( but only if they ask nicely ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They did get out of prison, but both where sentenced to life, so lets wait until they have completed there sentence, and then remove there names from Wikipedia.
(but only if they ask nicely).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30100522</id>
	<title>Never Forget</title>
	<author>schnablebg</author>
	<datestamp>1258191120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We have a saying in the Jewish community specifically about German crimes committed in the past: "Never Forget."</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have a saying in the Jewish community specifically about German crimes committed in the past : " Never Forget .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have a saying in the Jewish community specifically about German crimes committed in the past: "Never Forget.
"</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30100928</id>
	<title>Megan Laws</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258194480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the US convicted child molesters (among other "sex offenders") are put on a list of names available to anyone so that parents can be warned that sex offenders live in the neighborhood.  Given that precedent there is no chance they can prevail in US courts about a murder conviction.  No lawyer should have even taken the case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the US convicted child molesters ( among other " sex offenders " ) are put on a list of names available to anyone so that parents can be warned that sex offenders live in the neighborhood .
Given that precedent there is no chance they can prevail in US courts about a murder conviction .
No lawyer should have even taken the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the US convicted child molesters (among other "sex offenders") are put on a list of names available to anyone so that parents can be warned that sex offenders live in the neighborhood.
Given that precedent there is no chance they can prevail in US courts about a murder conviction.
No lawyer should have even taken the case.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099352</id>
	<title>Re: A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258226640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see you as having put forward much of an argument, more just an ejaculation of personal feelings.  For sake of better analysis, let's look at girlintraining's position:</p><p>P1.  An ideal punishment should be both retributory and reformatory.</p><p>P2.  The retributory aspect of a punishment is fulfilled when a prisoner's sentence expires (otherwise, why not make it a longer sentence?)</p><p>P3.  The reformatory aspect of a punishment is furthered by providing a prisoner with anonymity upon his or her release (the fact that the wikipedia article for the person you killed will probably come up as the first result for your name when Google is searched was adduced.)</p><p>C.  An ideal punishment should provide a prisoner with anonymity upon his or her release.</p><p>I assume you don't want to deny premise 1 (isn't it better if we can punish <b>and</b> reform somebody?)  I also take it that, given the frequency with which Google is used, premise 3 is fairly uncontroversial (it will be easier for somebody to reintegrate with society if they are granted this anonymity.)  Thus, I take it you're rejecting premise 2, by essentially proposing either that some crimes are unforgivable, or that the current system fails to punish convicts sufficiently.  In response to the latter, I would propose that you're probably underestimating just how bad it is to spend 25 years in a federal pound-your-ass prison.  That being said, this position is probably defensible, although you owe me an explanation for why it's better to induce more harm on this person in such a way as to preclude them from becoming a contributing member of society.</p><p>The latter point (that some crimes are unforgivable,) is probably a defensible position (albeit one I disagree with,) but I think to hold it consistently you would probably have to advocate capitol punishment, or at least permanent imprisonment (one might prefer the latter simply because capitol punishment is a little too final, and precludes an innocent prisoner from being released when evidence later surfaces.)  At any rate, it hardly seems to make sense to release these people from prison and yet consider them to be nonetheless in need of more punishing.  Bear in mind I'm not saying that you don't hold this position, but I think, if you really don't think that criminals after serving a crime deserve a second chance, you should be aware of what your position entails.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see you as having put forward much of an argument , more just an ejaculation of personal feelings .
For sake of better analysis , let 's look at girlintraining 's position : P1 .
An ideal punishment should be both retributory and reformatory.P2 .
The retributory aspect of a punishment is fulfilled when a prisoner 's sentence expires ( otherwise , why not make it a longer sentence ? ) P3 .
The reformatory aspect of a punishment is furthered by providing a prisoner with anonymity upon his or her release ( the fact that the wikipedia article for the person you killed will probably come up as the first result for your name when Google is searched was adduced. ) C .
An ideal punishment should provide a prisoner with anonymity upon his or her release.I assume you do n't want to deny premise 1 ( is n't it better if we can punish and reform somebody ?
) I also take it that , given the frequency with which Google is used , premise 3 is fairly uncontroversial ( it will be easier for somebody to reintegrate with society if they are granted this anonymity .
) Thus , I take it you 're rejecting premise 2 , by essentially proposing either that some crimes are unforgivable , or that the current system fails to punish convicts sufficiently .
In response to the latter , I would propose that you 're probably underestimating just how bad it is to spend 25 years in a federal pound-your-ass prison .
That being said , this position is probably defensible , although you owe me an explanation for why it 's better to induce more harm on this person in such a way as to preclude them from becoming a contributing member of society.The latter point ( that some crimes are unforgivable , ) is probably a defensible position ( albeit one I disagree with , ) but I think to hold it consistently you would probably have to advocate capitol punishment , or at least permanent imprisonment ( one might prefer the latter simply because capitol punishment is a little too final , and precludes an innocent prisoner from being released when evidence later surfaces .
) At any rate , it hardly seems to make sense to release these people from prison and yet consider them to be nonetheless in need of more punishing .
Bear in mind I 'm not saying that you do n't hold this position , but I think , if you really do n't think that criminals after serving a crime deserve a second chance , you should be aware of what your position entails .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see you as having put forward much of an argument, more just an ejaculation of personal feelings.
For sake of better analysis, let's look at girlintraining's position:P1.
An ideal punishment should be both retributory and reformatory.P2.
The retributory aspect of a punishment is fulfilled when a prisoner's sentence expires (otherwise, why not make it a longer sentence?)P3.
The reformatory aspect of a punishment is furthered by providing a prisoner with anonymity upon his or her release (the fact that the wikipedia article for the person you killed will probably come up as the first result for your name when Google is searched was adduced.)C.
An ideal punishment should provide a prisoner with anonymity upon his or her release.I assume you don't want to deny premise 1 (isn't it better if we can punish and reform somebody?
)  I also take it that, given the frequency with which Google is used, premise 3 is fairly uncontroversial (it will be easier for somebody to reintegrate with society if they are granted this anonymity.
)  Thus, I take it you're rejecting premise 2, by essentially proposing either that some crimes are unforgivable, or that the current system fails to punish convicts sufficiently.
In response to the latter, I would propose that you're probably underestimating just how bad it is to spend 25 years in a federal pound-your-ass prison.
That being said, this position is probably defensible, although you owe me an explanation for why it's better to induce more harm on this person in such a way as to preclude them from becoming a contributing member of society.The latter point (that some crimes are unforgivable,) is probably a defensible position (albeit one I disagree with,) but I think to hold it consistently you would probably have to advocate capitol punishment, or at least permanent imprisonment (one might prefer the latter simply because capitol punishment is a little too final, and precludes an innocent prisoner from being released when evidence later surfaces.
)  At any rate, it hardly seems to make sense to release these people from prison and yet consider them to be nonetheless in need of more punishing.
Bear in mind I'm not saying that you don't hold this position, but I think, if you really don't think that criminals after serving a crime deserve a second chance, you should be aware of what your position entails.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098576</id>
	<title>Re:Get your lawyers ready /.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258221960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>I don't care what their names are. What are they doing out of prison?</i> </p><p>They did the crime, they served their time.  What's so hard to understand about that?</p></div><p>No they haven't, since when is 19 years an acceptable sentence for ending someones life out of pure malice? And why does the German government protect a killer's identity? If they didn't want to be known as murderers, they should've tried y'know, not murdering someone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't care what their names are .
What are they doing out of prison ?
They did the crime , they served their time .
What 's so hard to understand about that ? No they have n't , since when is 19 years an acceptable sentence for ending someones life out of pure malice ?
And why does the German government protect a killer 's identity ?
If they did n't want to be known as murderers , they should 've tried y'know , not murdering someone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I don't care what their names are.
What are they doing out of prison?
They did the crime, they served their time.
What's so hard to understand about that?No they haven't, since when is 19 years an acceptable sentence for ending someones life out of pure malice?
And why does the German government protect a killer's identity?
If they didn't want to be known as murderers, they should've tried y'know, not murdering someone.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098506</id>
	<title>Re:Get your lawyers ready /.</title>
	<author>Daniel Dvorkin</author>
	<datestamp>1258221540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I don't care what their names are. What are they doing out of prison?</i></p><p>They did the crime, they served their time.  What's so hard to understand about that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't care what their names are .
What are they doing out of prison ? They did the crime , they served their time .
What 's so hard to understand about that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't care what their names are.
What are they doing out of prison?They did the crime, they served their time.
What's so hard to understand about that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098922</id>
	<title>Re:Get your lawyers ready /.</title>
	<author>Ironsides</author>
	<datestamp>1258223820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Studies have shown that life in prison and the death penalty have a 0\% recidivism rate.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sarcasm<br> <br>
That said, I do agree that one purpose of the prison system should be reform.  However, hiding what someone has done in the past doesn't necessarily help the people they are around or to reform them.  In fact, hiding somones criminal past can make it easier for them to comit crimes again.  Say, a convicted imbezzler working with large amounts of cash?  The question between balancing the protection of the public vs. the convict continuing their life is an interesting balancing act.  I think Germany has gone a bit too far towards the convict in this law.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Studies have shown that life in prison and the death penalty have a 0 \ % recidivism rate .
/sarcasm That said , I do agree that one purpose of the prison system should be reform .
However , hiding what someone has done in the past does n't necessarily help the people they are around or to reform them .
In fact , hiding somones criminal past can make it easier for them to comit crimes again .
Say , a convicted imbezzler working with large amounts of cash ?
The question between balancing the protection of the public vs. the convict continuing their life is an interesting balancing act .
I think Germany has gone a bit too far towards the convict in this law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Studies have shown that life in prison and the death penalty have a 0\% recidivism rate.
/sarcasm 
That said, I do agree that one purpose of the prison system should be reform.
However, hiding what someone has done in the past doesn't necessarily help the people they are around or to reform them.
In fact, hiding somones criminal past can make it easier for them to comit crimes again.
Say, a convicted imbezzler working with large amounts of cash?
The question between balancing the protection of the public vs. the convict continuing their life is an interesting balancing act.
I think Germany has gone a bit too far towards the convict in this law.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098378</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258220880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll bet there are a lot of dictators who agree totally</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll bet there are a lot of dictators who agree totally</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll bet there are a lot of dictators who agree totally</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099862</id>
	<title>I feel inspired to change my SIG!</title>
	<author>Picass0</author>
	<datestamp>1258229820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Suck it, Germany!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Suck it , Germany !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suck it, Germany!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098912</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1258223760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What about the rights of Walter Sedlmayr, who the duo tortured, mutilated, and killed because he was gay? He apparently doesn't matter anymore, you know, because they murdered him.</p></div><p>Speaking as someone who <i>is</i> gay, he certainly does matter. Every life matters. But that's not what's at issue, and this is just an emotional appeal. And probably flamebait too.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Everyone makes mistakes, right? Hogwash.</p></div><p>Okay, you're perfect. It's the rest of us that are mortal.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>So these men should have a chance at a normal life again? What about Sedlmayr's normal life?</p></div><p>Yes, they should. As to Sedlmayr's "normal life" -- it's been over for some time. I prefer to focus on the living, and what can be done for them. Once my time has come, I would hope my family and friends would not dwell on it to the point that they forget to live as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about the rights of Walter Sedlmayr , who the duo tortured , mutilated , and killed because he was gay ?
He apparently does n't matter anymore , you know , because they murdered him.Speaking as someone who is gay , he certainly does matter .
Every life matters .
But that 's not what 's at issue , and this is just an emotional appeal .
And probably flamebait too.Everyone makes mistakes , right ?
Hogwash.Okay , you 're perfect .
It 's the rest of us that are mortal.So these men should have a chance at a normal life again ?
What about Sedlmayr 's normal life ? Yes , they should .
As to Sedlmayr 's " normal life " -- it 's been over for some time .
I prefer to focus on the living , and what can be done for them .
Once my time has come , I would hope my family and friends would not dwell on it to the point that they forget to live as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about the rights of Walter Sedlmayr, who the duo tortured, mutilated, and killed because he was gay?
He apparently doesn't matter anymore, you know, because they murdered him.Speaking as someone who is gay, he certainly does matter.
Every life matters.
But that's not what's at issue, and this is just an emotional appeal.
And probably flamebait too.Everyone makes mistakes, right?
Hogwash.Okay, you're perfect.
It's the rest of us that are mortal.So these men should have a chance at a normal life again?
What about Sedlmayr's normal life?Yes, they should.
As to Sedlmayr's "normal life" -- it's been over for some time.
I prefer to focus on the living, and what can be done for them.
Once my time has come, I would hope my family and friends would not dwell on it to the point that they forget to live as well.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099616</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>scruffy</author>
	<datestamp>1258228440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I know of no such restriction that protection of speech is limited to only speech regarding the government. In fact, I'm quite sure that speech protection covers discussing all historical events. Some of the few restrictions are libel, slander, and obscenity.</p></div><p>Another very significant restriction (maybe chilling effect is a better way of putting it) is that if your employer can fire you for any reason, you can be fired for what you say or do off the job.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know of no such restriction that protection of speech is limited to only speech regarding the government .
In fact , I 'm quite sure that speech protection covers discussing all historical events .
Some of the few restrictions are libel , slander , and obscenity.Another very significant restriction ( maybe chilling effect is a better way of putting it ) is that if your employer can fire you for any reason , you can be fired for what you say or do off the job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know of no such restriction that protection of speech is limited to only speech regarding the government.
In fact, I'm quite sure that speech protection covers discussing all historical events.
Some of the few restrictions are libel, slander, and obscenity.Another very significant restriction (maybe chilling effect is a better way of putting it) is that if your employer can fire you for any reason, you can be fired for what you say or do off the job.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098070</id>
	<title>Bubby? Is that you?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258219260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>That these guys killed someone and were convicted of it is a recorded, historical fact. No allegations, simple fact.<br> <br>Are we not allowed to state simple facts now?</htmltext>
<tokenext>That these guys killed someone and were convicted of it is a recorded , historical fact .
No allegations , simple fact .
Are we not allowed to state simple facts now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That these guys killed someone and were convicted of it is a recorded, historical fact.
No allegations, simple fact.
Are we not allowed to state simple facts now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30100688</id>
	<title>Free Speech and other Freedoms</title>
	<author>prefec2</author>
	<datestamp>1258192500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The facts are, that two guys murdered someone, they went to jail, they got their punishment. Now after jail they are free men again. And therefor they should be treated as such. People do not want to have pictures of themselves with pants down on the Internet. For good reasons. And for the same reasons the information that you killed someone should not be posted on the net. This would opens a door to discrimination. That they did it, is part of their privacy. And in certain contexts (e.g. working for the state) they have to provide a  "certificate of conduct".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The facts are , that two guys murdered someone , they went to jail , they got their punishment .
Now after jail they are free men again .
And therefor they should be treated as such .
People do not want to have pictures of themselves with pants down on the Internet .
For good reasons .
And for the same reasons the information that you killed someone should not be posted on the net .
This would opens a door to discrimination .
That they did it , is part of their privacy .
And in certain contexts ( e.g .
working for the state ) they have to provide a " certificate of conduct " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The facts are, that two guys murdered someone, they went to jail, they got their punishment.
Now after jail they are free men again.
And therefor they should be treated as such.
People do not want to have pictures of themselves with pants down on the Internet.
For good reasons.
And for the same reasons the information that you killed someone should not be posted on the net.
This would opens a door to discrimination.
That they did it, is part of their privacy.
And in certain contexts (e.g.
working for the state) they have to provide a  "certificate of conduct".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098916</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>Pecisk</author>
	<datestamp>1258223760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"As far as the internet -- do we really want it to be a tool that enables a person's past mistakes to haunt them forever? That any personal information, once released into it, somehow becomes public property?"</p><p>It is not that I disagree with sentiment of your post, but what has right to privacy to do with public record about such criminal activity as murder (and following judgement)?</p><p>When you start killing people, everything about these killings, including fact that you did it, cease to be private information. It is public interest to know this fact. For historical, for human reasons. People will find out anyway. What is better - full court documents that may indicate remorse of killers, reasons why and what happened, or that just rumors spread out?</p><p>Hiding something is never a good idea. Never.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" As far as the internet -- do we really want it to be a tool that enables a person 's past mistakes to haunt them forever ?
That any personal information , once released into it , somehow becomes public property ?
" It is not that I disagree with sentiment of your post , but what has right to privacy to do with public record about such criminal activity as murder ( and following judgement ) ? When you start killing people , everything about these killings , including fact that you did it , cease to be private information .
It is public interest to know this fact .
For historical , for human reasons .
People will find out anyway .
What is better - full court documents that may indicate remorse of killers , reasons why and what happened , or that just rumors spread out ? Hiding something is never a good idea .
Never .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"As far as the internet -- do we really want it to be a tool that enables a person's past mistakes to haunt them forever?
That any personal information, once released into it, somehow becomes public property?
"It is not that I disagree with sentiment of your post, but what has right to privacy to do with public record about such criminal activity as murder (and following judgement)?When you start killing people, everything about these killings, including fact that you did it, cease to be private information.
It is public interest to know this fact.
For historical, for human reasons.
People will find out anyway.
What is better - full court documents that may indicate remorse of killers, reasons why and what happened, or that just rumors spread out?Hiding something is never a good idea.
Never.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098584</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>bigdavex</author>
	<datestamp>1258222080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>These people have served their sentences. They have been punished according to the law of their land, and then released. In this country, a person's criminal record haunts them for life -- denying them jobs, restricting their freedoms, and in some cases leading to a greatly diminished quality of life such that they are forced into criminal enterprise in order to meet basic needs. But in Germany, these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption. It is recognized that people make mistakes, but these mistakes shouldn't haunt them for the rest of their lives. The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next.</p></div></blockquote><p>oul<br>It strikes me as very authoritarian for the state to make this judgment for other people.  Do you really think it's appropriate to block an employer or a potential spouse from getting this information?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>These people have served their sentences .
They have been punished according to the law of their land , and then released .
In this country , a person 's criminal record haunts them for life -- denying them jobs , restricting their freedoms , and in some cases leading to a greatly diminished quality of life such that they are forced into criminal enterprise in order to meet basic needs .
But in Germany , these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption .
It is recognized that people make mistakes , but these mistakes should n't haunt them for the rest of their lives .
The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next.oulIt strikes me as very authoritarian for the state to make this judgment for other people .
Do you really think it 's appropriate to block an employer or a potential spouse from getting this information ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These people have served their sentences.
They have been punished according to the law of their land, and then released.
In this country, a person's criminal record haunts them for life -- denying them jobs, restricting their freedoms, and in some cases leading to a greatly diminished quality of life such that they are forced into criminal enterprise in order to meet basic needs.
But in Germany, these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption.
It is recognized that people make mistakes, but these mistakes shouldn't haunt them for the rest of their lives.
The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next.oulIt strikes me as very authoritarian for the state to make this judgment for other people.
Do you really think it's appropriate to block an employer or a potential spouse from getting this information?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30105780</id>
	<title>Re: A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258302300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And that, dude, is exactly why the US has such a fucked up society, with over 1\% of their population in jail, 4x as much as even in China. Think about that.</p><p>And you want to make absolutely sure all these people get never ever a chance of redemption, no, we should make them remember their crimes for the rest of their lives. Nice. So...do you still wonder why so few people getting out of a prison actually better their lives (wikipedia claims a bit more than 50\% is back in jail within 3 years). It has no use, once you cross the line you can never return. And at least the rewards are greater on the dark side.</p><p>Good riddance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And that , dude , is exactly why the US has such a fucked up society , with over 1 \ % of their population in jail , 4x as much as even in China .
Think about that.And you want to make absolutely sure all these people get never ever a chance of redemption , no , we should make them remember their crimes for the rest of their lives .
Nice. So...do you still wonder why so few people getting out of a prison actually better their lives ( wikipedia claims a bit more than 50 \ % is back in jail within 3 years ) .
It has no use , once you cross the line you can never return .
And at least the rewards are greater on the dark side.Good riddance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that, dude, is exactly why the US has such a fucked up society, with over 1\% of their population in jail, 4x as much as even in China.
Think about that.And you want to make absolutely sure all these people get never ever a chance of redemption, no, we should make them remember their crimes for the rest of their lives.
Nice. So...do you still wonder why so few people getting out of a prison actually better their lives (wikipedia claims a bit more than 50\% is back in jail within 3 years).
It has no use, once you cross the line you can never return.
And at least the rewards are greater on the dark side.Good riddance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099932</id>
	<title>Respect for other countries' laws?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258230480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The American defenition of justice seems very much focussed on the victims, and the facilitation of revenge. The decision to try the September 11 suspects in New York as as good an illustration of this as any. How will those men get a fair trial? Frankly, I don't think anyone cares about being fair to these men - it's all about retribution. Why else would you push hard for the death penalty?</p><p>In other countries, we have respect for EVERY life, not just the lives of those that we consider to be somehow pure, because they've not broken one law or another. The ending of a human life by another human is always wrong. It doesn't matter whether the person being killed has themselves murdered throusands of others. No human has the right to end the life of another. Life is valuable - even the life of a convicted murderer.</p><p>The German justice system sentenced these men, and when it was ready it released them. They have served their time, and are now free men. If justice is really to be served, these men cannot continued to be punished once their legal system has determined that they should go free. That would amount to indefinite punishment, and the effective ending of these mens' lives.</p><p>I don't agree with this law, but I understand why it exists, and I respect these mens' right to pursue protection under it. If the German people disagree with this law, it will be changed by their parliament - until then, we must respect it. By making the names of these men publicly available to people in Germany, you are breaking German law. If someone breaks a US law while outside the US, you'll damn sure pursue extradition so that they can be tried under your justice system. This co-operation cannot be one-way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The American defenition of justice seems very much focussed on the victims , and the facilitation of revenge .
The decision to try the September 11 suspects in New York as as good an illustration of this as any .
How will those men get a fair trial ?
Frankly , I do n't think anyone cares about being fair to these men - it 's all about retribution .
Why else would you push hard for the death penalty ? In other countries , we have respect for EVERY life , not just the lives of those that we consider to be somehow pure , because they 've not broken one law or another .
The ending of a human life by another human is always wrong .
It does n't matter whether the person being killed has themselves murdered throusands of others .
No human has the right to end the life of another .
Life is valuable - even the life of a convicted murderer.The German justice system sentenced these men , and when it was ready it released them .
They have served their time , and are now free men .
If justice is really to be served , these men can not continued to be punished once their legal system has determined that they should go free .
That would amount to indefinite punishment , and the effective ending of these mens ' lives.I do n't agree with this law , but I understand why it exists , and I respect these mens ' right to pursue protection under it .
If the German people disagree with this law , it will be changed by their parliament - until then , we must respect it .
By making the names of these men publicly available to people in Germany , you are breaking German law .
If someone breaks a US law while outside the US , you 'll damn sure pursue extradition so that they can be tried under your justice system .
This co-operation can not be one-way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The American defenition of justice seems very much focussed on the victims, and the facilitation of revenge.
The decision to try the September 11 suspects in New York as as good an illustration of this as any.
How will those men get a fair trial?
Frankly, I don't think anyone cares about being fair to these men - it's all about retribution.
Why else would you push hard for the death penalty?In other countries, we have respect for EVERY life, not just the lives of those that we consider to be somehow pure, because they've not broken one law or another.
The ending of a human life by another human is always wrong.
It doesn't matter whether the person being killed has themselves murdered throusands of others.
No human has the right to end the life of another.
Life is valuable - even the life of a convicted murderer.The German justice system sentenced these men, and when it was ready it released them.
They have served their time, and are now free men.
If justice is really to be served, these men cannot continued to be punished once their legal system has determined that they should go free.
That would amount to indefinite punishment, and the effective ending of these mens' lives.I don't agree with this law, but I understand why it exists, and I respect these mens' right to pursue protection under it.
If the German people disagree with this law, it will be changed by their parliament - until then, we must respect it.
By making the names of these men publicly available to people in Germany, you are breaking German law.
If someone breaks a US law while outside the US, you'll damn sure pursue extradition so that they can be tried under your justice system.
This co-operation cannot be one-way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098798</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258223220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>As far as the internet -- do we really want it to be a tool that enables a person's past mistakes to haunt them forever?</p></div> </blockquote><p>
I didn't invent Facebook.  I don't even <em>like</em> Facebook.
</p><p>
But of "society" can answer a question like that, judging from the 40\% of the population that's on it, is a resounding "yes", whether I like it or not.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as the internet -- do we really want it to be a tool that enables a person 's past mistakes to haunt them forever ?
I did n't invent Facebook .
I do n't even like Facebook .
But of " society " can answer a question like that , judging from the 40 \ % of the population that 's on it , is a resounding " yes " , whether I like it or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as the internet -- do we really want it to be a tool that enables a person's past mistakes to haunt them forever?
I didn't invent Facebook.
I don't even like Facebook.
But of "society" can answer a question like that, judging from the 40\% of the population that's on it, is a resounding "yes", whether I like it or not.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098400</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>toiletsalmon</author>
	<datestamp>1258220940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Information doesn't have rights -- people do."</p><p>That, is a very good point. I'm sure it falls on deaf ears here, but a good point regardless of what the anti-social "nerd patrol" here thinks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Information does n't have rights -- people do .
" That , is a very good point .
I 'm sure it falls on deaf ears here , but a good point regardless of what the anti-social " nerd patrol " here thinks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Information doesn't have rights -- people do.
"That, is a very good point.
I'm sure it falls on deaf ears here, but a good point regardless of what the anti-social "nerd patrol" here thinks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30100758</id>
	<title>No Reason to Argue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258192980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am lost with this debate - Since I am not writing this in Germany, I break no law by mentioning their name as murderers.<br>If you are in Germany, only write their names if you are willing to break the law, and potentially pay the consequences.<br>What is so hard to understand?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am lost with this debate - Since I am not writing this in Germany , I break no law by mentioning their name as murderers.If you are in Germany , only write their names if you are willing to break the law , and potentially pay the consequences.What is so hard to understand ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am lost with this debate - Since I am not writing this in Germany, I break no law by mentioning their name as murderers.If you are in Germany, only write their names if you are willing to break the law, and potentially pay the consequences.What is so hard to understand?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30102258</id>
	<title>Re: A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258204320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, by denying the murderers freedoms, we are then giving back those freedoms and chances to their victims?</p><p>If not, then what purpose does it serve other than to make the rest of us feel somehow better?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , by denying the murderers freedoms , we are then giving back those freedoms and chances to their victims ? If not , then what purpose does it serve other than to make the rest of us feel somehow better ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, by denying the murderers freedoms, we are then giving back those freedoms and chances to their victims?If not, then what purpose does it serve other than to make the rest of us feel somehow better?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099702</id>
	<title>agreement</title>
	<author>hey</author>
	<datestamp>1258228920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course Germany's law don't apply in the USA but there are many agreements between developed countries.  Eg WTO agreements</p><p><a href="http://www.wto.org/english/docs\_e/legal\_e/final\_e.htm" title="wto.org">http://www.wto.org/english/docs\_e/legal\_e/final\_e.htm</a> [wto.org]</p><p>The IP one:<br><a href="http://www.wto.org/english/docs\_e/legal\_e/27-trips.pdf" title="wto.org">http://www.wto.org/english/docs\_e/legal\_e/27-trips.pdf</a> [wto.org]</p><p>I wonder if some of these agreements oblige the USA to cooperate with Germany's laws.  Having the entry on the English Wikipedia site is of course visible in Germany.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course Germany 's law do n't apply in the USA but there are many agreements between developed countries .
Eg WTO agreementshttp : //www.wto.org/english/docs \ _e/legal \ _e/final \ _e.htm [ wto.org ] The IP one : http : //www.wto.org/english/docs \ _e/legal \ _e/27-trips.pdf [ wto.org ] I wonder if some of these agreements oblige the USA to cooperate with Germany 's laws .
Having the entry on the English Wikipedia site is of course visible in Germany .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course Germany's law don't apply in the USA but there are many agreements between developed countries.
Eg WTO agreementshttp://www.wto.org/english/docs\_e/legal\_e/final\_e.htm [wto.org]The IP one:http://www.wto.org/english/docs\_e/legal\_e/27-trips.pdf [wto.org]I wonder if some of these agreements oblige the USA to cooperate with Germany's laws.
Having the entry on the English Wikipedia site is of course visible in Germany.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098652</id>
	<title>Re:Get your lawyers ready /.</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1258222440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm with you 100\% on the murder comment; I don't think anyone (let's ignore minors for a sec; that would open a whole ball-of-wax) who commits 1st degree murder (which this sounds like) should get less than lift-without-parole.</p><p><i>However</i>, the goal of the law in more general terms is actually a pretty good idea. Reducing recidivism rates requires that people who get out of jail actually have a shot at getting a decent job and continuing on with <i>their</i> life. Having a criminal background can make this <i>very</i> difficult.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm with you 100 \ % on the murder comment ; I do n't think anyone ( let 's ignore minors for a sec ; that would open a whole ball-of-wax ) who commits 1st degree murder ( which this sounds like ) should get less than lift-without-parole.However , the goal of the law in more general terms is actually a pretty good idea .
Reducing recidivism rates requires that people who get out of jail actually have a shot at getting a decent job and continuing on with their life .
Having a criminal background can make this very difficult .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm with you 100\% on the murder comment; I don't think anyone (let's ignore minors for a sec; that would open a whole ball-of-wax) who commits 1st degree murder (which this sounds like) should get less than lift-without-parole.However, the goal of the law in more general terms is actually a pretty good idea.
Reducing recidivism rates requires that people who get out of jail actually have a shot at getting a decent job and continuing on with their life.
Having a criminal background can make this very difficult.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098092</id>
	<title>Re:Get your lawyers ready /.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258219380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't care what their names are. What are they doing out of prison?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't care what their names are .
What are they doing out of prison ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't care what their names are.
What are they doing out of prison?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30103134</id>
	<title>wow!</title>
	<author>WeeBit</author>
	<datestamp>1258213740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They served 15 years, and now they are back on the streets?<br><br>
&nbsp; Google Results 1 - 10 of about 21,300 for Wolfgang Werle and Manfred Lauber...  and climbing!<br><br>Keep up the good work!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/weebit grins</htmltext>
<tokenext>They served 15 years , and now they are back on the streets ?
  Google Results 1 - 10 of about 21,300 for Wolfgang Werle and Manfred Lauber... and climbing ! Keep up the good work !
/weebit grins</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They served 15 years, and now they are back on the streets?
  Google Results 1 - 10 of about 21,300 for Wolfgang Werle and Manfred Lauber...  and climbing!Keep up the good work!
/weebit grins</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30107560</id>
	<title>Nice...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258315140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The accused were sentenced to life in prison and were later released on parole. Glad to see the US and Germany have something in common.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The accused were sentenced to life in prison and were later released on parole .
Glad to see the US and Germany have something in common .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The accused were sentenced to life in prison and were later released on parole.
Glad to see the US and Germany have something in common.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098992</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>jefu</author>
	<datestamp>1258224180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I think that the US goes too far in the direction of making it tough for convicted criminals to reintegrate with normal society (way too far when it comes to sex offenders).    But I don't think a law like this helps particularly - convictions <b>should</b> be a matter of public record and should be accessible to those who want to seek out that information.
</p><p>
More importantly, this raises all sorts of much weirder questions.   If an online publication covers a trial, or prints a story about the crime, or even if an author writes a book about it, should that information then be erased when the criminals are released from jail?   ("Winston Smith - paging Winston Smith...")  Or will it become public policy to forbid writing about any crime ever in the expectation that the criminals will serve their time and eventually be released?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that the US goes too far in the direction of making it tough for convicted criminals to reintegrate with normal society ( way too far when it comes to sex offenders ) .
But I do n't think a law like this helps particularly - convictions should be a matter of public record and should be accessible to those who want to seek out that information .
More importantly , this raises all sorts of much weirder questions .
If an online publication covers a trial , or prints a story about the crime , or even if an author writes a book about it , should that information then be erased when the criminals are released from jail ?
( " Winston Smith - paging Winston Smith... " ) Or will it become public policy to forbid writing about any crime ever in the expectation that the criminals will serve their time and eventually be released ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I think that the US goes too far in the direction of making it tough for convicted criminals to reintegrate with normal society (way too far when it comes to sex offenders).
But I don't think a law like this helps particularly - convictions should be a matter of public record and should be accessible to those who want to seek out that information.
More importantly, this raises all sorts of much weirder questions.
If an online publication covers a trial, or prints a story about the crime, or even if an author writes a book about it, should that information then be erased when the criminals are released from jail?
("Winston Smith - paging Winston Smith...")  Or will it become public policy to forbid writing about any crime ever in the expectation that the criminals will serve their time and eventually be released?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30101782</id>
	<title>Leave it to a German</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258200780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Leave it to a German to want to re-write history. You can't ignore what happened by simply not mentioning it. The murder is a fact.<br><br>They really got off pretty light with such a short sentence. Does that mean one of the victim's relatives could murder one of these clowns and get the same sentence? If so, go for it!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Leave it to a German to want to re-write history .
You ca n't ignore what happened by simply not mentioning it .
The murder is a fact.They really got off pretty light with such a short sentence .
Does that mean one of the victim 's relatives could murder one of these clowns and get the same sentence ?
If so , go for it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Leave it to a German to want to re-write history.
You can't ignore what happened by simply not mentioning it.
The murder is a fact.They really got off pretty light with such a short sentence.
Does that mean one of the victim's relatives could murder one of these clowns and get the same sentence?
If so, go for it!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30131662</id>
	<title>Give a nod to The Schwartz (reporter)</title>
	<author>cuberat</author>
	<datestamp>1258485120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nice touch by John Schwartz, the NYT reporter, and his editors. Notice how after being specifically asked not to name the perps he went ahead and made them the lead? Now they are the first lines of a story in a major paper of record and will even appear in the abstract of the article, and every archive search to come!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice touch by John Schwartz , the NYT reporter , and his editors .
Notice how after being specifically asked not to name the perps he went ahead and made them the lead ?
Now they are the first lines of a story in a major paper of record and will even appear in the abstract of the article , and every archive search to come !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice touch by John Schwartz, the NYT reporter, and his editors.
Notice how after being specifically asked not to name the perps he went ahead and made them the lead?
Now they are the first lines of a story in a major paper of record and will even appear in the abstract of the article, and every archive search to come!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099462</id>
	<title>Re:Get your lawyers ready /.</title>
	<author>ravenshrike</author>
	<datestamp>1258227420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Go ask Massachusetts</htmltext>
<tokenext>Go ask Massachusetts</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go ask Massachusetts</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30102958</id>
	<title>murderers should be put to death. period.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258211220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>they should be killed on the spot by anyone who meets them. only right thing to do with murderers</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they should be killed on the spot by anyone who meets them .
only right thing to do with murderers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they should be killed on the spot by anyone who meets them.
only right thing to do with murderers</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30102710</id>
	<title>Can't mention their names eh?</title>
	<author>pookemon</author>
	<datestamp>1258208280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does this mean that the names of all those found guilty at Nuremberg have to be removed from wikipedia?

Or does it only apply after a certain date - and not if they were hanged.

What a stupid law - an pure example of lets protect the murderer (whether or not they have "served their time" they are still murderers).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this mean that the names of all those found guilty at Nuremberg have to be removed from wikipedia ?
Or does it only apply after a certain date - and not if they were hanged .
What a stupid law - an pure example of lets protect the murderer ( whether or not they have " served their time " they are still murderers ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this mean that the names of all those found guilty at Nuremberg have to be removed from wikipedia?
Or does it only apply after a certain date - and not if they were hanged.
What a stupid law - an pure example of lets protect the murderer (whether or not they have "served their time" they are still murderers).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098966</id>
	<title>A fresh start shouldn't be needed...</title>
	<author>Jeff Carr</author>
	<datestamp>1258224060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There could be one serious advantage of everyone's personal dirt being available at all times.  Eventually people would have to stop pretending to be so perfect.  People make mistakes, and currently as that isn't currently ok with society, everyone spends most of their lives trying to hide those mistakes from everyone else.<br> <br>
I think that's a larger detriment to us personally and to society as a whole than not being able to hide those things.  If all of our dirt was public knowledge, we probably would be a bit more understanding.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There could be one serious advantage of everyone 's personal dirt being available at all times .
Eventually people would have to stop pretending to be so perfect .
People make mistakes , and currently as that is n't currently ok with society , everyone spends most of their lives trying to hide those mistakes from everyone else .
I think that 's a larger detriment to us personally and to society as a whole than not being able to hide those things .
If all of our dirt was public knowledge , we probably would be a bit more understanding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There could be one serious advantage of everyone's personal dirt being available at all times.
Eventually people would have to stop pretending to be so perfect.
People make mistakes, and currently as that isn't currently ok with society, everyone spends most of their lives trying to hide those mistakes from everyone else.
I think that's a larger detriment to us personally and to society as a whole than not being able to hide those things.
If all of our dirt was public knowledge, we probably would be a bit more understanding.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30101052</id>
	<title>*** Don't read in Germany !! ***</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258195440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Adolf Hitler killed 6 million Jews.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Adolf Hitler killed 6 million Jews .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adolf Hitler killed 6 million Jews.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30104486</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1258315380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How about pedophiles being hired at schools?</p></div><p>How about anyone who even whispers "but think of the children!" in this context is hanged, drawn and quartered?</p><p>Stop making strawmen to encourage the bloodthirsty mob to proceed with their mindless witch hunt. It's sheer evil.</p><p>As to the question at hand - no, there's nothing wrong with convicted pedophiles being hired at schools, provided they had served the time that judge and jury found fitting for their crime, and the evaluation did not find them even remotely likely to reoffend upon release. What reasonable arguments are there to treat it any differently?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about pedophiles being hired at schools ? How about anyone who even whispers " but think of the children !
" in this context is hanged , drawn and quartered ? Stop making strawmen to encourage the bloodthirsty mob to proceed with their mindless witch hunt .
It 's sheer evil.As to the question at hand - no , there 's nothing wrong with convicted pedophiles being hired at schools , provided they had served the time that judge and jury found fitting for their crime , and the evaluation did not find them even remotely likely to reoffend upon release .
What reasonable arguments are there to treat it any differently ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about pedophiles being hired at schools?How about anyone who even whispers "but think of the children!
" in this context is hanged, drawn and quartered?Stop making strawmen to encourage the bloodthirsty mob to proceed with their mindless witch hunt.
It's sheer evil.As to the question at hand - no, there's nothing wrong with convicted pedophiles being hired at schools, provided they had served the time that judge and jury found fitting for their crime, and the evaluation did not find them even remotely likely to reoffend upon release.
What reasonable arguments are there to treat it any differently?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098570</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30102714</id>
	<title>Re:agreement</title>
	<author>freedom\_india</author>
	<datestamp>1258208340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course No other country's laws apply in US.<br>However the reverse is not true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course No other country 's laws apply in US.However the reverse is not true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course No other country's laws apply in US.However the reverse is not true.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099702</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30104584</id>
	<title>are you all trolling?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258316880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm completely amazed at how many of you think these murders shouldn't have spent the rest of their lives in jail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm completely amazed at how many of you think these murders should n't have spent the rest of their lives in jail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm completely amazed at how many of you think these murders shouldn't have spent the rest of their lives in jail.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099724</id>
	<title>Moron tries to sue information off the Internet.</title>
	<author>alecto</author>
	<datestamp>1258229040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think we know how this one's going to turn out for our convicted murderers, [redacted] and [redacted].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think we know how this one 's going to turn out for our convicted murderers , [ redacted ] and [ redacted ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think we know how this one's going to turn out for our convicted murderers, [redacted] and [redacted].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099622</id>
	<title>Re: A fresh start</title>
	<author>Jeff DeMaagd</author>
	<datestamp>1258228500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Murder isn't a mistake, the definition of the term involves premeditation, but the people that commit murder might not be the same as they were then.  The deed is done, which can't be undone, and the punishment has been served.  It seems to me that 20 years is a lot of time, a lot of things can change in 20 years, and I think people can change a lot in that time period too.</p><p>I can understand that the victim's family would probably never be able to forgive or forget, but I don't think that should necessarily mean that the entire society has to have the same sentiment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Murder is n't a mistake , the definition of the term involves premeditation , but the people that commit murder might not be the same as they were then .
The deed is done , which ca n't be undone , and the punishment has been served .
It seems to me that 20 years is a lot of time , a lot of things can change in 20 years , and I think people can change a lot in that time period too.I can understand that the victim 's family would probably never be able to forgive or forget , but I do n't think that should necessarily mean that the entire society has to have the same sentiment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Murder isn't a mistake, the definition of the term involves premeditation, but the people that commit murder might not be the same as they were then.
The deed is done, which can't be undone, and the punishment has been served.
It seems to me that 20 years is a lot of time, a lot of things can change in 20 years, and I think people can change a lot in that time period too.I can understand that the victim's family would probably never be able to forgive or forget, but I don't think that should necessarily mean that the entire society has to have the same sentiment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098496</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098474</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>Registered Coward v2</author>
	<datestamp>1258221360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm sure a lot of people are going to come out against the position of Germany's culture on this, citing freedom of speech. Freedom of speech, in the United States at least, is not given to citizens so that they can harm other people's reputations or hold them accountable for their actions. It is there so that actions by the government can be openly criticized and constructive dialog be established between (and amongst) citizens and the government, without fear of reprisal. It is there for the betterment of everyone. If there is no benefit to society, no protection is granted.</p></div><p>Actually, no that is not the fundamental premise of the US concept of freedom of speech.  It is that the prior restraint of speech is so onerous that it is not allowed; so that open debate can be had around issues.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>These people have served their sentences. They have been punished according to the law of their land, and then released. In this country, a person's criminal record haunts them for life -- denying them jobs, restricting their freedoms, and in some cases leading to a greatly diminished quality of life such that they are forced into criminal enterprise in order to meet basic needs. But in Germany, these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption. It is recognized that people make mistakes, but these mistakes shouldn't haunt them for the rest of their lives. The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next.</p><p>As far as the internet -- do we really want it to be a tool that enables a person's past mistakes to haunt them forever? That any personal information, once released into it, somehow becomes public property? Those naked photos your boyfriend took of you when you thought you'd be with him forever -- are those public property once he breaks up with you and posts them online? How about the records of your divorce, or the reasons why you were fired? What about that one night when your best friend tried to walk out of the bar drunk, and you stole the car keys and the two of you got into a big fight and the police were called? You want the whole world to know about these things? Or--was it just a mistake and once amends have been made then that's the end of it?</p><p>Just because the information is out there doesn't mean it should be. Information doesn't have rights -- people do.</p></div><p>Yes, and in the US we have the right of free speech.  The solution is not to suppress speech but to change the concept of how past infractions are viewed.  While the later is a difficult task; repressing speech in the name of protecting people's rights is far worse.</p><p>Of course, as information becomes easier to access people also need to modify behaviors in light of changing technology; which they have been doing since the beginning of time.  That is the real solution, IMHO.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure a lot of people are going to come out against the position of Germany 's culture on this , citing freedom of speech .
Freedom of speech , in the United States at least , is not given to citizens so that they can harm other people 's reputations or hold them accountable for their actions .
It is there so that actions by the government can be openly criticized and constructive dialog be established between ( and amongst ) citizens and the government , without fear of reprisal .
It is there for the betterment of everyone .
If there is no benefit to society , no protection is granted.Actually , no that is not the fundamental premise of the US concept of freedom of speech .
It is that the prior restraint of speech is so onerous that it is not allowed ; so that open debate can be had around issues.These people have served their sentences .
They have been punished according to the law of their land , and then released .
In this country , a person 's criminal record haunts them for life -- denying them jobs , restricting their freedoms , and in some cases leading to a greatly diminished quality of life such that they are forced into criminal enterprise in order to meet basic needs .
But in Germany , these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption .
It is recognized that people make mistakes , but these mistakes should n't haunt them for the rest of their lives .
The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next.As far as the internet -- do we really want it to be a tool that enables a person 's past mistakes to haunt them forever ?
That any personal information , once released into it , somehow becomes public property ?
Those naked photos your boyfriend took of you when you thought you 'd be with him forever -- are those public property once he breaks up with you and posts them online ?
How about the records of your divorce , or the reasons why you were fired ?
What about that one night when your best friend tried to walk out of the bar drunk , and you stole the car keys and the two of you got into a big fight and the police were called ?
You want the whole world to know about these things ?
Or--was it just a mistake and once amends have been made then that 's the end of it ? Just because the information is out there does n't mean it should be .
Information does n't have rights -- people do.Yes , and in the US we have the right of free speech .
The solution is not to suppress speech but to change the concept of how past infractions are viewed .
While the later is a difficult task ; repressing speech in the name of protecting people 's rights is far worse.Of course , as information becomes easier to access people also need to modify behaviors in light of changing technology ; which they have been doing since the beginning of time .
That is the real solution , IMHO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure a lot of people are going to come out against the position of Germany's culture on this, citing freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech, in the United States at least, is not given to citizens so that they can harm other people's reputations or hold them accountable for their actions.
It is there so that actions by the government can be openly criticized and constructive dialog be established between (and amongst) citizens and the government, without fear of reprisal.
It is there for the betterment of everyone.
If there is no benefit to society, no protection is granted.Actually, no that is not the fundamental premise of the US concept of freedom of speech.
It is that the prior restraint of speech is so onerous that it is not allowed; so that open debate can be had around issues.These people have served their sentences.
They have been punished according to the law of their land, and then released.
In this country, a person's criminal record haunts them for life -- denying them jobs, restricting their freedoms, and in some cases leading to a greatly diminished quality of life such that they are forced into criminal enterprise in order to meet basic needs.
But in Germany, these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption.
It is recognized that people make mistakes, but these mistakes shouldn't haunt them for the rest of their lives.
The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next.As far as the internet -- do we really want it to be a tool that enables a person's past mistakes to haunt them forever?
That any personal information, once released into it, somehow becomes public property?
Those naked photos your boyfriend took of you when you thought you'd be with him forever -- are those public property once he breaks up with you and posts them online?
How about the records of your divorce, or the reasons why you were fired?
What about that one night when your best friend tried to walk out of the bar drunk, and you stole the car keys and the two of you got into a big fight and the police were called?
You want the whole world to know about these things?
Or--was it just a mistake and once amends have been made then that's the end of it?Just because the information is out there doesn't mean it should be.
Information doesn't have rights -- people do.Yes, and in the US we have the right of free speech.
The solution is not to suppress speech but to change the concept of how past infractions are viewed.
While the later is a difficult task; repressing speech in the name of protecting people's rights is far worse.Of course, as information becomes easier to access people also need to modify behaviors in light of changing technology; which they have been doing since the beginning of time.
That is the real solution, IMHO.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098280</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30109308</id>
	<title>Re:Get your lawyers ready /.</title>
	<author>Razalhague</author>
	<datestamp>1258282920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>lift-without-parole</p></div><p>A great idea, but I'm pretty sure subjecting someone to elevator-music for the rest of their life counts as a "cruel and unusual punishment".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>lift-without-paroleA great idea , but I 'm pretty sure subjecting someone to elevator-music for the rest of their life counts as a " cruel and unusual punishment " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lift-without-paroleA great idea, but I'm pretty sure subjecting someone to elevator-music for the rest of their life counts as a "cruel and unusual punishment".
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098652</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098496</id>
	<title>Re: A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258221540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But in Germany, these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption. It is recognized that people make mistakes, but these mistakes shouldn't haunt them for the rest of their lives.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Forgive and forget?  Seems pretty short-sighted.  I'm not sure I'd call murder a "mistake".  An act like this *should* haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives.</p><blockquote><div><p>The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Except for the guy they killed.  Where's his freedom and chance?
</p><p>
Lastly, what about the victim's family and friends? How about their chances for normal lives without the murder of their loved-one haunting them.  Some things cannot be forgiven and some things should definitely not be forgotten.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But in Germany , these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption .
It is recognized that people make mistakes , but these mistakes should n't haunt them for the rest of their lives .
Forgive and forget ?
Seems pretty short-sighted .
I 'm not sure I 'd call murder a " mistake " .
An act like this * should * haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives.The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next .
Except for the guy they killed .
Where 's his freedom and chance ?
Lastly , what about the victim 's family and friends ?
How about their chances for normal lives without the murder of their loved-one haunting them .
Some things can not be forgiven and some things should definitely not be forgotten .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But in Germany, these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption.
It is recognized that people make mistakes, but these mistakes shouldn't haunt them for the rest of their lives.
Forgive and forget?
Seems pretty short-sighted.
I'm not sure I'd call murder a "mistake".
An act like this *should* haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives.The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next.
Except for the guy they killed.
Where's his freedom and chance?
Lastly, what about the victim's family and friends?
How about their chances for normal lives without the murder of their loved-one haunting them.
Some things cannot be forgiven and some things should definitely not be forgotten.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098280</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30100390</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>Skapare</author>
	<datestamp>1258190280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Of course, as information becomes easier to access people also need to modify behaviors in light of changing technology; which they have been doing since the beginning of time.  That is the real solution, IMHO.</p></div><p>Oh, you mean like, not murdering people?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , as information becomes easier to access people also need to modify behaviors in light of changing technology ; which they have been doing since the beginning of time .
That is the real solution , IMHO.Oh , you mean like , not murdering people ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, as information becomes easier to access people also need to modify behaviors in light of changing technology; which they have been doing since the beginning of time.
That is the real solution, IMHO.Oh, you mean like, not murdering people?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098474</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30100670</id>
	<title>Name change?</title>
	<author>the\_bean42</author>
	<datestamp>1258192440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't changing their names be more effective? I guess it's more fun to sue someone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't changing their names be more effective ?
I guess it 's more fun to sue someone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't changing their names be more effective?
I guess it's more fun to sue someone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30104050</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1258223400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yeah, that's going to work well. Hey, maybe you can up your inmate numbers from 1\% of all citizens to 2\% or even 5\%!

I think you should adopt the Judge Dredd model and get rid of all noncapital punishment. And never ever come to Europe.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , that 's going to work well .
Hey , maybe you can up your inmate numbers from 1 \ % of all citizens to 2 \ % or even 5 \ % !
I think you should adopt the Judge Dredd model and get rid of all noncapital punishment .
And never ever come to Europe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, that's going to work well.
Hey, maybe you can up your inmate numbers from 1\% of all citizens to 2\% or even 5\%!
I think you should adopt the Judge Dredd model and get rid of all noncapital punishment.
And never ever come to Europe.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099976</id>
	<title>There's a whole lot of the wrong argument here.</title>
	<author>chaboud</author>
	<datestamp>1258230780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It doesn't matter if they served enough time in prison.  The truly important problem here is Germany's ridiculous attempt to limit the distribution of factual information with the law.</p><p>Germany has a long history of censorship.  You can't disparage the president or state, sell pornographic <b>writings</b>, be a nazi, show a nazi symbol, insult someone if it steps over the magical line of insulting human dignity, etc.  The very state of Germany's overreaching laws regarding speech insults human dignity.</p><p>Putting loopholes and narrowly-targeted restrictions in the constitution (find a translation of:  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic\_Law\_for\_the\_Federal\_Republic\_of\_Germany" title="wikipedia.org">Grundgesetz f&#252;r die Bundesrepublik Deutschland</a> [wikipedia.org]) from the start is a sure-fire way to end up with this completely ridiculous legal result.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't matter if they served enough time in prison .
The truly important problem here is Germany 's ridiculous attempt to limit the distribution of factual information with the law.Germany has a long history of censorship .
You ca n't disparage the president or state , sell pornographic writings , be a nazi , show a nazi symbol , insult someone if it steps over the magical line of insulting human dignity , etc .
The very state of Germany 's overreaching laws regarding speech insults human dignity.Putting loopholes and narrowly-targeted restrictions in the constitution ( find a translation of : Grundgesetz f   r die Bundesrepublik Deutschland [ wikipedia.org ] ) from the start is a sure-fire way to end up with this completely ridiculous legal result .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't matter if they served enough time in prison.
The truly important problem here is Germany's ridiculous attempt to limit the distribution of factual information with the law.Germany has a long history of censorship.
You can't disparage the president or state, sell pornographic writings, be a nazi, show a nazi symbol, insult someone if it steps over the magical line of insulting human dignity, etc.
The very state of Germany's overreaching laws regarding speech insults human dignity.Putting loopholes and narrowly-targeted restrictions in the constitution (find a translation of:  Grundgesetz für die Bundesrepublik Deutschland [wikipedia.org]) from the start is a sure-fire way to end up with this completely ridiculous legal result.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30145100</id>
	<title>Because sueing wiki will hush things up</title>
	<author>RivenAleem</author>
	<datestamp>1257096960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did nobody think to tell them that attempting to sue Wikipedia to remove their names was likely to plaster their names over the entire interwebs?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did nobody think to tell them that attempting to sue Wikipedia to remove their names was likely to plaster their names over the entire interwebs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did nobody think to tell them that attempting to sue Wikipedia to remove their names was likely to plaster their names over the entire interwebs?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30103168</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>RedWizzard</author>
	<datestamp>1258214340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yes, and in the US we have the right of free speech. The solution is not to suppress speech but to change the concept of how past infractions are viewed. While the later is a difficult task; repressing speech in the name of protecting people's rights is far worse.</p></div><p>And yet you still have libel and slander laws. You have laws about obscenity and regulation of pornography. You have regulation of commercial speech. The right to freedom of speech is not so simple and universal as you are making out.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , and in the US we have the right of free speech .
The solution is not to suppress speech but to change the concept of how past infractions are viewed .
While the later is a difficult task ; repressing speech in the name of protecting people 's rights is far worse.And yet you still have libel and slander laws .
You have laws about obscenity and regulation of pornography .
You have regulation of commercial speech .
The right to freedom of speech is not so simple and universal as you are making out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, and in the US we have the right of free speech.
The solution is not to suppress speech but to change the concept of how past infractions are viewed.
While the later is a difficult task; repressing speech in the name of protecting people's rights is far worse.And yet you still have libel and slander laws.
You have laws about obscenity and regulation of pornography.
You have regulation of commercial speech.
The right to freedom of speech is not so simple and universal as you are making out.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098474</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098544</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258221780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes.... People have rights.  Perhaps we could entertain the concept that the murder victim has a right to not have the truth about his death hidden from public view?</p><p>These two people committed the worst possible human rights offense against their victim.  They took ALL of his human rights.  It seems more than a skosh disingenuous to be lamenting their personal rights loss (A minor loss of privacy.) in this context.</p><p>Must we now ignore the fact that the victim ever existed?   Certainly any reference to his existence must (at least by implication) point to his current non-existence....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes.... People have rights .
Perhaps we could entertain the concept that the murder victim has a right to not have the truth about his death hidden from public view ? These two people committed the worst possible human rights offense against their victim .
They took ALL of his human rights .
It seems more than a skosh disingenuous to be lamenting their personal rights loss ( A minor loss of privacy .
) in this context.Must we now ignore the fact that the victim ever existed ?
Certainly any reference to his existence must ( at least by implication ) point to his current non-existence... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.... People have rights.
Perhaps we could entertain the concept that the murder victim has a right to not have the truth about his death hidden from public view?These two people committed the worst possible human rights offense against their victim.
They took ALL of his human rights.
It seems more than a skosh disingenuous to be lamenting their personal rights loss (A minor loss of privacy.
) in this context.Must we now ignore the fact that the victim ever existed?
Certainly any reference to his existence must (at least by implication) point to his current non-existence....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099450</id>
	<title>Re:Get your lawyers ready /.</title>
	<author>AmiMoJo</author>
	<datestamp>1258227360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not 0\% if you include crimes committed by people with nothing to loose against other inmates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not 0 \ % if you include crimes committed by people with nothing to loose against other inmates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not 0\% if you include crimes committed by people with nothing to loose against other inmates.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30104642</id>
	<title>Oops.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258318020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like they got a lot more people to sue now than just Wikipedia.  Hope they get good rates from those lawyers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like they got a lot more people to sue now than just Wikipedia .
Hope they get good rates from those lawyers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like they got a lot more people to sue now than just Wikipedia.
Hope they get good rates from those lawyers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099064</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258224720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, take that back.</p><p>I'm an anti-social nerd, but I don't think that information has rights</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , take that back.I 'm an anti-social nerd , but I do n't think that information has rights</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, take that back.I'm an anti-social nerd, but I don't think that information has rights</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098570</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>Macrat</author>
	<datestamp>1258221900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>These people have served their sentences. They have been punished according to the law of their land, and then released. In this country, a person's criminal record haunts them for life -- denying them jobs, restricting their freedoms, and in some cases leading to a greatly diminished quality of life such that they are forced into criminal enterprise in order to meet basic needs. But in Germany, these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption.</p></div><p>And when they kill again, say at a job, the employer can just shrug off responsibility because the law says you're not supposed to know they kill people.</p><p>How about pedophiles being hired at schools?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>These people have served their sentences .
They have been punished according to the law of their land , and then released .
In this country , a person 's criminal record haunts them for life -- denying them jobs , restricting their freedoms , and in some cases leading to a greatly diminished quality of life such that they are forced into criminal enterprise in order to meet basic needs .
But in Germany , these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption.And when they kill again , say at a job , the employer can just shrug off responsibility because the law says you 're not supposed to know they kill people.How about pedophiles being hired at schools ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These people have served their sentences.
They have been punished according to the law of their land, and then released.
In this country, a person's criminal record haunts them for life -- denying them jobs, restricting their freedoms, and in some cases leading to a greatly diminished quality of life such that they are forced into criminal enterprise in order to meet basic needs.
But in Germany, these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption.And when they kill again, say at a job, the employer can just shrug off responsibility because the law says you're not supposed to know they kill people.How about pedophiles being hired at schools?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099878</id>
	<title>Re: A fresh start</title>
	<author>hercubus</author>
	<datestamp>1258230120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p>But in Germany, these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption. It is recognized that people make mistakes, but these mistakes shouldn't haunt them for the rest of their lives.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Forgive and forget?  Seems pretty short-sighted.  I'm not sure I'd call murder a "mistake".  An act like this *should* haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives.</p><blockquote><div><p>The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Except for the guy they killed.  Where's his freedom and chance?
</p><p>
Lastly, what about the victim's family and friends? How about their chances for normal lives without the murder of their loved-one haunting them.  Some things cannot be forgiven and some things should definitely not be forgotten.</p></div><p>
Your theory is fascinating but do you have any evidence that forgiveness is a bad thing?  Does holding on to hatred and providing maximum punishment really help family and friends as you seem to be claiming?
</p><p>
Let us in America by no means learn anything from Germany.  Let us continue to "kill the killers" because that's working out so well for us...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But in Germany , these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption .
It is recognized that people make mistakes , but these mistakes should n't haunt them for the rest of their lives .
Forgive and forget ?
Seems pretty short-sighted .
I 'm not sure I 'd call murder a " mistake " .
An act like this * should * haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives.The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next .
Except for the guy they killed .
Where 's his freedom and chance ?
Lastly , what about the victim 's family and friends ?
How about their chances for normal lives without the murder of their loved-one haunting them .
Some things can not be forgiven and some things should definitely not be forgotten .
Your theory is fascinating but do you have any evidence that forgiveness is a bad thing ?
Does holding on to hatred and providing maximum punishment really help family and friends as you seem to be claiming ?
Let us in America by no means learn anything from Germany .
Let us continue to " kill the killers " because that 's working out so well for us.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But in Germany, these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption.
It is recognized that people make mistakes, but these mistakes shouldn't haunt them for the rest of their lives.
Forgive and forget?
Seems pretty short-sighted.
I'm not sure I'd call murder a "mistake".
An act like this *should* haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives.The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next.
Except for the guy they killed.
Where's his freedom and chance?
Lastly, what about the victim's family and friends?
How about their chances for normal lives without the murder of their loved-one haunting them.
Some things cannot be forgiven and some things should definitely not be forgotten.
Your theory is fascinating but do you have any evidence that forgiveness is a bad thing?
Does holding on to hatred and providing maximum punishment really help family and friends as you seem to be claiming?
Let us in America by no means learn anything from Germany.
Let us continue to "kill the killers" because that's working out so well for us...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30100362</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258189980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone here misses an important point: while the names of criminals may be protected from the public in general, there are ways to inquire a person's criminal record. Especially employers do this regularly. So if they employ a murderer or pedophile, they still know that they hired a criminal. No excuse here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone here misses an important point : while the names of criminals may be protected from the public in general , there are ways to inquire a person 's criminal record .
Especially employers do this regularly .
So if they employ a murderer or pedophile , they still know that they hired a criminal .
No excuse here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone here misses an important point: while the names of criminals may be protected from the public in general, there are ways to inquire a person's criminal record.
Especially employers do this regularly.
So if they employ a murderer or pedophile, they still know that they hired a criminal.
No excuse here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098636</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>dh003i</author>
	<datestamp>1258222380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The \_murderer's\_ rights aren't violated by people knowing what they did. They should have been executed anyways. But irrelevant of that, non-aggressive people also have the right of freedom of association. I for one choose not to associate with people I consider dangerous.</p><p>In a free society, criminals would owe restitution to their victims, and victims would be also entitled to request retribution against the criminal. Then people at large could make their own associative or dis-associative decisions regarding the criminal.</p><p>One thing is clear, however. It doesn't violate anyone's rights for other people to know information about them that they've made publicly available through their actions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The \ _murderer 's \ _ rights are n't violated by people knowing what they did .
They should have been executed anyways .
But irrelevant of that , non-aggressive people also have the right of freedom of association .
I for one choose not to associate with people I consider dangerous.In a free society , criminals would owe restitution to their victims , and victims would be also entitled to request retribution against the criminal .
Then people at large could make their own associative or dis-associative decisions regarding the criminal.One thing is clear , however .
It does n't violate anyone 's rights for other people to know information about them that they 've made publicly available through their actions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The \_murderer's\_ rights aren't violated by people knowing what they did.
They should have been executed anyways.
But irrelevant of that, non-aggressive people also have the right of freedom of association.
I for one choose not to associate with people I consider dangerous.In a free society, criminals would owe restitution to their victims, and victims would be also entitled to request retribution against the criminal.
Then people at large could make their own associative or dis-associative decisions regarding the criminal.One thing is clear, however.
It doesn't violate anyone's rights for other people to know information about them that they've made publicly available through their actions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30128278</id>
	<title>Germany is dangerous.</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1258470120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; Now that they are out of prison, German law states that they<br>&gt; can't be referred to by name in relation to the killings.<br><br>Great.  I find new reasons to be worried about Germany every year.<br><br>We are talking about historical facts here, and the censorship thereof.  That's *scary*.<br><br>On a related note, Germany also still restricts political speech.  Apparently in the last hundred years of history they have learned...  nothing.  Germany tops my list of "most likely countries to cause World War III", not because there aren't plenty of other governments this retarded, but because the others are all located in third-world countries.  Germany is a major western post-industrial economic powerhouse, and that makes their backwardness on this issue (freedom of political speech) very dangerous.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Now that they are out of prison , German law states that they &gt; ca n't be referred to by name in relation to the killings.Great .
I find new reasons to be worried about Germany every year.We are talking about historical facts here , and the censorship thereof .
That 's * scary * .On a related note , Germany also still restricts political speech .
Apparently in the last hundred years of history they have learned... nothing. Germany tops my list of " most likely countries to cause World War III " , not because there are n't plenty of other governments this retarded , but because the others are all located in third-world countries .
Germany is a major western post-industrial economic powerhouse , and that makes their backwardness on this issue ( freedom of political speech ) very dangerous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Now that they are out of prison, German law states that they&gt; can't be referred to by name in relation to the killings.Great.
I find new reasons to be worried about Germany every year.We are talking about historical facts here, and the censorship thereof.
That's *scary*.On a related note, Germany also still restricts political speech.
Apparently in the last hundred years of history they have learned...  nothing.  Germany tops my list of "most likely countries to cause World War III", not because there aren't plenty of other governments this retarded, but because the others are all located in third-world countries.
Germany is a major western post-industrial economic powerhouse, and that makes their backwardness on this issue (freedom of political speech) very dangerous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30100208</id>
	<title>Can the victim pretend that it never happened?</title>
	<author>vinn01</author>
	<datestamp>1258232220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would only be fair if the person that they murdered gets to pretend that it never happened too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would only be fair if the person that they murdered gets to pretend that it never happened too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would only be fair if the person that they murdered gets to pretend that it never happened too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30103154</id>
	<title>Re:*** Don't read in Germany !! ***</title>
	<author>sugarmotor</author>
	<datestamp>1258213980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But was never convicted and never went to prison and never was released from prison either!</p><p>Stephan</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But was never convicted and never went to prison and never was released from prison either ! Stephan</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But was never convicted and never went to prison and never was released from prison either!Stephan</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30141958</id>
	<title>Re:Get your lawyers ready /.</title>
	<author>sirlatrom</author>
	<datestamp>1257080400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Say, a convicted imbezzler working with large amounts of cash?</p></div><p>Say, a convicted embezzler, having served his time, applying for a job with no amounts of cash whatsoever, but in spite of his otherwise fine qualifications not getting the job because he's cried out as a criminal in some public source?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>hiding what someone has done in the past doesn't necessarily help the people they are around or to reform them</p></div><p>In a case like the above, and even in a case like the in the original post, I think getting over it and moving on -- after actually having served the penalty decided by the judicial system based on the laws passed by the parliament elected by the people -- is actually quite alright.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Say , a convicted imbezzler working with large amounts of cash ? Say , a convicted embezzler , having served his time , applying for a job with no amounts of cash whatsoever , but in spite of his otherwise fine qualifications not getting the job because he 's cried out as a criminal in some public source ? hiding what someone has done in the past does n't necessarily help the people they are around or to reform themIn a case like the above , and even in a case like the in the original post , I think getting over it and moving on -- after actually having served the penalty decided by the judicial system based on the laws passed by the parliament elected by the people -- is actually quite alright .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Say, a convicted imbezzler working with large amounts of cash?Say, a convicted embezzler, having served his time, applying for a job with no amounts of cash whatsoever, but in spite of his otherwise fine qualifications not getting the job because he's cried out as a criminal in some public source?hiding what someone has done in the past doesn't necessarily help the people they are around or to reform themIn a case like the above, and even in a case like the in the original post, I think getting over it and moving on -- after actually having served the penalty decided by the judicial system based on the laws passed by the parliament elected by the people -- is actually quite alright.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099634</id>
	<title>Ha!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258228560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber killed an actor<br>Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber killed an actor<br>Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber killed an actor<br>Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber killed an actor<br>Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber killed an actor<br>Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber killed an actor<br>Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber killed an actor</p><p>Sue away gurmans! Sue away!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber killed an actorWolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber killed an actorWolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber killed an actorWolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber killed an actorWolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber killed an actorWolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber killed an actorWolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber killed an actorSue away gurmans !
Sue away !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed an actorWolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed an actorWolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed an actorWolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed an actorWolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed an actorWolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed an actorWolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed an actorSue away gurmans!
Sue away!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30107436</id>
	<title>Back to Society - the way not to make it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258314420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All these people who think people who have served their time in prison haven't sufferered enough or something, are afraid they are going to commit more crimes, and refuse to treat them as normal people or have anything to do with them, consider this. The most efficient way to make sure these people WILL commit more crimes and become more dangerous to the society and to all of you than they already are, is by denying them the normal life after they have served their sentances. No, by making them lawful citizens again won't bring back the victim(s), but neither will eternal revenge and hatred. What's done is done, punishments have been addressed and served. What more do you want?</p><p>Now the ONLY rational thing to do is to try and make sure more won't come along. The best way to make this happen is to make these former criminals be a part of the society again, working, paying taxes and so on. You can't keep them in prison forever, it would be more out of your pocket than releasing them. Make THEM work again, make the contribute. And by giving them work and a normal life in atleast some sense, you give them purpouse, to continue to be productive, maybe even happy, and essentially: OUT of crime. This is the key. If you openly hate them, discriminate them, show in every way that you would rather have them dead than anywhere near you, what's there really to stop them from going back to what they were, what in some way DID give them some purpouse and meaning to life when everything else failed?</p><p>You want to make your society more safe and more productive, you make sure these former criminals don't have a reason to do the things they did, again. By denying them any right to have their lives back and treating them like garbage, you make SURE they won't be doing it, and as a side effect, they might take another life for that. It's your choice too. They did their time. No number or your bitterness will bring anybody back from the dead. It'll just cost you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All these people who think people who have served their time in prison have n't sufferered enough or something , are afraid they are going to commit more crimes , and refuse to treat them as normal people or have anything to do with them , consider this .
The most efficient way to make sure these people WILL commit more crimes and become more dangerous to the society and to all of you than they already are , is by denying them the normal life after they have served their sentances .
No , by making them lawful citizens again wo n't bring back the victim ( s ) , but neither will eternal revenge and hatred .
What 's done is done , punishments have been addressed and served .
What more do you want ? Now the ONLY rational thing to do is to try and make sure more wo n't come along .
The best way to make this happen is to make these former criminals be a part of the society again , working , paying taxes and so on .
You ca n't keep them in prison forever , it would be more out of your pocket than releasing them .
Make THEM work again , make the contribute .
And by giving them work and a normal life in atleast some sense , you give them purpouse , to continue to be productive , maybe even happy , and essentially : OUT of crime .
This is the key .
If you openly hate them , discriminate them , show in every way that you would rather have them dead than anywhere near you , what 's there really to stop them from going back to what they were , what in some way DID give them some purpouse and meaning to life when everything else failed ? You want to make your society more safe and more productive , you make sure these former criminals do n't have a reason to do the things they did , again .
By denying them any right to have their lives back and treating them like garbage , you make SURE they wo n't be doing it , and as a side effect , they might take another life for that .
It 's your choice too .
They did their time .
No number or your bitterness will bring anybody back from the dead .
It 'll just cost you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All these people who think people who have served their time in prison haven't sufferered enough or something, are afraid they are going to commit more crimes, and refuse to treat them as normal people or have anything to do with them, consider this.
The most efficient way to make sure these people WILL commit more crimes and become more dangerous to the society and to all of you than they already are, is by denying them the normal life after they have served their sentances.
No, by making them lawful citizens again won't bring back the victim(s), but neither will eternal revenge and hatred.
What's done is done, punishments have been addressed and served.
What more do you want?Now the ONLY rational thing to do is to try and make sure more won't come along.
The best way to make this happen is to make these former criminals be a part of the society again, working, paying taxes and so on.
You can't keep them in prison forever, it would be more out of your pocket than releasing them.
Make THEM work again, make the contribute.
And by giving them work and a normal life in atleast some sense, you give them purpouse, to continue to be productive, maybe even happy, and essentially: OUT of crime.
This is the key.
If you openly hate them, discriminate them, show in every way that you would rather have them dead than anywhere near you, what's there really to stop them from going back to what they were, what in some way DID give them some purpouse and meaning to life when everything else failed?You want to make your society more safe and more productive, you make sure these former criminals don't have a reason to do the things they did, again.
By denying them any right to have their lives back and treating them like garbage, you make SURE they won't be doing it, and as a side effect, they might take another life for that.
It's your choice too.
They did their time.
No number or your bitterness will bring anybody back from the dead.
It'll just cost you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30102356</id>
	<title>What if they lock the wikipage?</title>
	<author>sugar and acid</author>
	<datestamp>1258205220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am not a german lawyer (IANAGL). But essentially the law  is saying you can't make new publications refering to the names of the released prisoners after they are released. But it was OK to publish this when they were in jail or being prosecuted.</p><p>Therefore every publication published before they were released were legally able to publish their names and assuming that there is no requirement to destroy said publication, which would be very Orwellian, then all the information can stay out there in libraries etc.</p><p>Obviously everything outside of germany doesn't have to comply, but the german wikipedia can just show a static locked version of the offending page from before the two murderers were released, as it is then not a new publication.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not a german lawyer ( IANAGL ) .
But essentially the law is saying you ca n't make new publications refering to the names of the released prisoners after they are released .
But it was OK to publish this when they were in jail or being prosecuted.Therefore every publication published before they were released were legally able to publish their names and assuming that there is no requirement to destroy said publication , which would be very Orwellian , then all the information can stay out there in libraries etc.Obviously everything outside of germany does n't have to comply , but the german wikipedia can just show a static locked version of the offending page from before the two murderers were released , as it is then not a new publication .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not a german lawyer (IANAGL).
But essentially the law  is saying you can't make new publications refering to the names of the released prisoners after they are released.
But it was OK to publish this when they were in jail or being prosecuted.Therefore every publication published before they were released were legally able to publish their names and assuming that there is no requirement to destroy said publication, which would be very Orwellian, then all the information can stay out there in libraries etc.Obviously everything outside of germany doesn't have to comply, but the german wikipedia can just show a static locked version of the offending page from before the two murderers were released, as it is then not a new publication.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30104812</id>
	<title>The Grauniad</title>
	<author>\_Shad0w\_</author>
	<datestamp>1258278300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Grauniad in the UK amused me; they didn't mention their names or publish a link to the article, because it's also published in Germany.  They did carefully give you all the information you needed to go and look it up on Wikipedia yourself (specifically they gave you the name of the victim).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Grauniad in the UK amused me ; they did n't mention their names or publish a link to the article , because it 's also published in Germany .
They did carefully give you all the information you needed to go and look it up on Wikipedia yourself ( specifically they gave you the name of the victim ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Grauniad in the UK amused me; they didn't mention their names or publish a link to the article, because it's also published in Germany.
They did carefully give you all the information you needed to go and look it up on Wikipedia yourself (specifically they gave you the name of the victim).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098462</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258221240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about the rights of Walter Sedlmayr, who the duo tortured, mutilated, and killed because he was gay? He apparently doesn't matter anymore, you know, because they murdered him.</p><p>Everyone makes mistakes, right? Hogwash.</p><p>So these men should have a chance at a normal life again? What about Sedlmayr's normal life?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about the rights of Walter Sedlmayr , who the duo tortured , mutilated , and killed because he was gay ?
He apparently does n't matter anymore , you know , because they murdered him.Everyone makes mistakes , right ?
Hogwash.So these men should have a chance at a normal life again ?
What about Sedlmayr 's normal life ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about the rights of Walter Sedlmayr, who the duo tortured, mutilated, and killed because he was gay?
He apparently doesn't matter anymore, you know, because they murdered him.Everyone makes mistakes, right?
Hogwash.So these men should have a chance at a normal life again?
What about Sedlmayr's normal life?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30109218</id>
	<title>This page is loading sluggishly</title>
	<author>smagruder</author>
	<datestamp>1258282080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know this is off-topic, but this page on Slashdot is loading very slowly using either Firefox 3.5 or IE8.  It appears to have something to do with JavaScript.  Firefox indicated this as it kept asking me to continue loading scripts.  And IE8 switched me into compatibility mode -- something I've never seen occur on any other site I visit (and I visit many, many sites).</p><p>What's going on?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this is off-topic , but this page on Slashdot is loading very slowly using either Firefox 3.5 or IE8 .
It appears to have something to do with JavaScript .
Firefox indicated this as it kept asking me to continue loading scripts .
And IE8 switched me into compatibility mode -- something I 've never seen occur on any other site I visit ( and I visit many , many sites ) .What 's going on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this is off-topic, but this page on Slashdot is loading very slowly using either Firefox 3.5 or IE8.
It appears to have something to do with JavaScript.
Firefox indicated this as it kept asking me to continue loading scripts.
And IE8 switched me into compatibility mode -- something I've never seen occur on any other site I visit (and I visit many, many sites).What's going on?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30106008</id>
	<title>What Noam Chomsky would observe about this thing</title>
	<author>dvorakkeyboardrules</author>
	<datestamp>1258304460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"It's extremely important to preserve freedom of speech, and not to grant the state the right to determine what is or isn't said. A sometimes conflicting right is privacy and protection against verbal or other forms of violence. Once the state is granted the right to prevent speech (writing, songs, etc.) that it claims might precipitate harm, we're on a very dangerous slope. That's why the Supreme Court, in 1969, finally reached the standard of protection of speech that was proposed during the Enlightenment (and I believe may be unique to the US): speech is protected until the point where it is part of imminent criminal acts. So if you and I go into a store to rob it, you have a gun, and I say "shoot," that's not protected speech. How far should it go? Very delicate questions, and my personal feeling is that one should err on the side of restricting state power, as a general rule."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" It 's extremely important to preserve freedom of speech , and not to grant the state the right to determine what is or is n't said .
A sometimes conflicting right is privacy and protection against verbal or other forms of violence .
Once the state is granted the right to prevent speech ( writing , songs , etc .
) that it claims might precipitate harm , we 're on a very dangerous slope .
That 's why the Supreme Court , in 1969 , finally reached the standard of protection of speech that was proposed during the Enlightenment ( and I believe may be unique to the US ) : speech is protected until the point where it is part of imminent criminal acts .
So if you and I go into a store to rob it , you have a gun , and I say " shoot , " that 's not protected speech .
How far should it go ?
Very delicate questions , and my personal feeling is that one should err on the side of restricting state power , as a general rule .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It's extremely important to preserve freedom of speech, and not to grant the state the right to determine what is or isn't said.
A sometimes conflicting right is privacy and protection against verbal or other forms of violence.
Once the state is granted the right to prevent speech (writing, songs, etc.
) that it claims might precipitate harm, we're on a very dangerous slope.
That's why the Supreme Court, in 1969, finally reached the standard of protection of speech that was proposed during the Enlightenment (and I believe may be unique to the US): speech is protected until the point where it is part of imminent criminal acts.
So if you and I go into a store to rob it, you have a gun, and I say "shoot," that's not protected speech.
How far should it go?
Very delicate questions, and my personal feeling is that one should err on the side of restricting state power, as a general rule.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098050</id>
	<title>Get your lawyers ready /.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258219140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>You just referenced their names in relation to the killings.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You just referenced their names in relation to the killings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You just referenced their names in relation to the killings.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30102150</id>
	<title>Names</title>
	<author>frozentier</author>
	<datestamp>1258203240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990.

Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor.

Wolfgang Werl&#233; and Manfred Lauber</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990 .
Wolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor .
Wolfgang Werl   and Manfred Lauber</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor in 1990.
Wolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber killed a German actor.
Wolfgang Werlé and Manfred Lauber</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30103630</id>
	<title>Re: A fresh start</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1258218780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Forgive and forget? Seems pretty short-sighted. I'm not sure I'd call murder a "mistake". "<br>
So you are saying people can't change? They could be radically different people after 20years.<br> <br>"An act like this *should* haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives."<br>That is called REVENGE. Something that is not at all useful. I'd like to hope that we could evolve past this base need.<br> <br>
You seem to think that making this guys life harder will some how bring back the dead dude. It won't. You seem to think that this man being tortured will ease their hearts and make them happy. It won't. And if it did it fucking shouldn't, those thoughts are pretty horrible and something again we should move past.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Forgive and forget ?
Seems pretty short-sighted .
I 'm not sure I 'd call murder a " mistake " .
" So you are saying people ca n't change ?
They could be radically different people after 20years .
" An act like this * should * haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives .
" That is called REVENGE .
Something that is not at all useful .
I 'd like to hope that we could evolve past this base need .
You seem to think that making this guys life harder will some how bring back the dead dude .
It wo n't .
You seem to think that this man being tortured will ease their hearts and make them happy .
It wo n't .
And if it did it fucking should n't , those thoughts are pretty horrible and something again we should move past .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Forgive and forget?
Seems pretty short-sighted.
I'm not sure I'd call murder a "mistake".
"
So you are saying people can't change?
They could be radically different people after 20years.
"An act like this *should* haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives.
"That is called REVENGE.
Something that is not at all useful.
I'd like to hope that we could evolve past this base need.
You seem to think that making this guys life harder will some how bring back the dead dude.
It won't.
You seem to think that this man being tortured will ease their hearts and make them happy.
It won't.
And if it did it fucking shouldn't, those thoughts are pretty horrible and something again we should move past.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098742</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258222860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It is recognized that people make mistakes, but these mistakes shouldn't haunt them for the rest of their lives. </p><p>Your right. I invested money in CIT. They have recently filled a bankruptcy claim. I lost my investment. I should not have to live with this loss for the rest of my life, because I recognize that my decision to invest in CIT was a mistake. Where can I get my original investment back?</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is recognized that people make mistakes , but these mistakes should n't haunt them for the rest of their lives .
Your right .
I invested money in CIT .
They have recently filled a bankruptcy claim .
I lost my investment .
I should not have to live with this loss for the rest of my life , because I recognize that my decision to invest in CIT was a mistake .
Where can I get my original investment back ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is recognized that people make mistakes, but these mistakes shouldn't haunt them for the rest of their lives.
Your right.
I invested money in CIT.
They have recently filled a bankruptcy claim.
I lost my investment.
I should not have to live with this loss for the rest of my life, because I recognize that my decision to invest in CIT was a mistake.
Where can I get my original investment back?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098890</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>Virak</author>
	<datestamp>1258223640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Freedom of speech, in the United States at least, is not given to citizens so that they can harm other people's reputations or hold them accountable for their actions. It is there so that actions by the government can be openly criticized and constructive dialog be established between (and amongst) citizens and the government, without fear of reprisal. It is there for the betterment of everyone. If there is no benefit to society, no protection is granted.</p></div></blockquote><p>No, you're just blatantly making shit up. There's a lengthy history of freedom of speech in the US being upheld in cases where it is neither about the government nor for "the betterment of everyone". "5, Insightful"? Are the mods on crack again today?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Freedom of speech , in the United States at least , is not given to citizens so that they can harm other people 's reputations or hold them accountable for their actions .
It is there so that actions by the government can be openly criticized and constructive dialog be established between ( and amongst ) citizens and the government , without fear of reprisal .
It is there for the betterment of everyone .
If there is no benefit to society , no protection is granted.No , you 're just blatantly making shit up .
There 's a lengthy history of freedom of speech in the US being upheld in cases where it is neither about the government nor for " the betterment of everyone " .
" 5 , Insightful " ?
Are the mods on crack again today ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Freedom of speech, in the United States at least, is not given to citizens so that they can harm other people's reputations or hold them accountable for their actions.
It is there so that actions by the government can be openly criticized and constructive dialog be established between (and amongst) citizens and the government, without fear of reprisal.
It is there for the betterment of everyone.
If there is no benefit to society, no protection is granted.No, you're just blatantly making shit up.
There's a lengthy history of freedom of speech in the US being upheld in cases where it is neither about the government nor for "the betterment of everyone".
"5, Insightful"?
Are the mods on crack again today?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098522</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1258221660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><br>Freedom of speech, in the United States at least, is not given to citizens so that they can harm other people's reputations or hold them accountable for their actions.<br></i></p><p>I know of no such restriction that protection of speech is limited to only speech regarding the government.  In fact, I'm quite sure that speech protection covers discussing all historical events.  Some of the few restrictions are libel, slander, and obscenity.<br><i><br>What about that one night when your best friend tried to walk out of the bar drunk, and you stole the car keys and the two of you got into a big fight and the police were called? You want the whole world to know about these things? Or--was it just a mistake and once amends have been made then that's the end of it?<br></i><br>The examples you give are potentially private matters, so addressing them only clouds the issue.  This particular case is very much NOT a private matter, and from the article was extraordinary public and common knowledge.</p><p>The idea that the public at large is supposed to "by law" forget about a very public event and not refer to the perpetrators in print is simply abhorrent to me.  Are the victims no longer allowed to refer to the assailants by name?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Freedom of speech , in the United States at least , is not given to citizens so that they can harm other people 's reputations or hold them accountable for their actions.I know of no such restriction that protection of speech is limited to only speech regarding the government .
In fact , I 'm quite sure that speech protection covers discussing all historical events .
Some of the few restrictions are libel , slander , and obscenity.What about that one night when your best friend tried to walk out of the bar drunk , and you stole the car keys and the two of you got into a big fight and the police were called ?
You want the whole world to know about these things ?
Or--was it just a mistake and once amends have been made then that 's the end of it ? The examples you give are potentially private matters , so addressing them only clouds the issue .
This particular case is very much NOT a private matter , and from the article was extraordinary public and common knowledge.The idea that the public at large is supposed to " by law " forget about a very public event and not refer to the perpetrators in print is simply abhorrent to me .
Are the victims no longer allowed to refer to the assailants by name ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Freedom of speech, in the United States at least, is not given to citizens so that they can harm other people's reputations or hold them accountable for their actions.I know of no such restriction that protection of speech is limited to only speech regarding the government.
In fact, I'm quite sure that speech protection covers discussing all historical events.
Some of the few restrictions are libel, slander, and obscenity.What about that one night when your best friend tried to walk out of the bar drunk, and you stole the car keys and the two of you got into a big fight and the police were called?
You want the whole world to know about these things?
Or--was it just a mistake and once amends have been made then that's the end of it?The examples you give are potentially private matters, so addressing them only clouds the issue.
This particular case is very much NOT a private matter, and from the article was extraordinary public and common knowledge.The idea that the public at large is supposed to "by law" forget about a very public event and not refer to the perpetrators in print is simply abhorrent to me.
Are the victims no longer allowed to refer to the assailants by name?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30100016</id>
	<title>True Justice comes by our own hand.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258230900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fucking murderers, goddamn bullies!!I I hope they get mentioned all the time so as to experience hell on earth and not be able to live a normal life and everyone will know their crimes and they will eventually commit suicide so as to truly pay for their crimes. May all the bullies and the murderers that they become be condemned to be outcast and so die by their own hand from complete and utter shame. A remorseless and utterly deserved disconnection from society with their timely and unremembered deaths as a complete solution to their irresponsibility.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fucking murderers , goddamn bullies !
! I I hope they get mentioned all the time so as to experience hell on earth and not be able to live a normal life and everyone will know their crimes and they will eventually commit suicide so as to truly pay for their crimes .
May all the bullies and the murderers that they become be condemned to be outcast and so die by their own hand from complete and utter shame .
A remorseless and utterly deserved disconnection from society with their timely and unremembered deaths as a complete solution to their irresponsibility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fucking murderers, goddamn bullies!
!I I hope they get mentioned all the time so as to experience hell on earth and not be able to live a normal life and everyone will know their crimes and they will eventually commit suicide so as to truly pay for their crimes.
May all the bullies and the murderers that they become be condemned to be outcast and so die by their own hand from complete and utter shame.
A remorseless and utterly deserved disconnection from society with their timely and unremembered deaths as a complete solution to their irresponsibility.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30105622</id>
	<title>Re: A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258298820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p>But in Germany, these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption. It is recognized that people make mistakes, but these mistakes shouldn't haunt them for the rest of their lives.</p></div></blockquote><p>Forgive and forget?  Seems pretty short-sighted.  I'm not sure I'd call murder a "mistake".  An act like this *should* haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives.</p></div><p>That is a different philosophical view on punishment than the one German law is based on.<br>You are welcome to your opinion. You are welcome to disagree with laws. You're even welcome to try and change philosophical bases of laws around the world.<br>But that doesn't mean that the law is *wrong*, only that it is that way <b>to you</b>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But in Germany , these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption .
It is recognized that people make mistakes , but these mistakes should n't haunt them for the rest of their lives.Forgive and forget ?
Seems pretty short-sighted .
I 'm not sure I 'd call murder a " mistake " .
An act like this * should * haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives.That is a different philosophical view on punishment than the one German law is based on.You are welcome to your opinion .
You are welcome to disagree with laws .
You 're even welcome to try and change philosophical bases of laws around the world.But that does n't mean that the law is * wrong * , only that it is that way to you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But in Germany, these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption.
It is recognized that people make mistakes, but these mistakes shouldn't haunt them for the rest of their lives.Forgive and forget?
Seems pretty short-sighted.
I'm not sure I'd call murder a "mistake".
An act like this *should* haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives.That is a different philosophical view on punishment than the one German law is based on.You are welcome to your opinion.
You are welcome to disagree with laws.
You're even welcome to try and change philosophical bases of laws around the world.But that doesn't mean that the law is *wrong*, only that it is that way to you.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098512</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258221660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm sure a lot of people are going to come out against the position of Germany's culture on this, citing freedom of speech. Freedom of speech, in the United States at least, is not given to citizens so that they can harm other people's reputations or hold them accountable for their actions.</p></div><p>Well excuse me if I would like to know the people I'm freely speaking to have issues with other people's right to a life.  It might persuade me not to freely speak around them as they OBVIOUSLY have an inclination towards taking the lives of those they don't agree with.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure a lot of people are going to come out against the position of Germany 's culture on this , citing freedom of speech .
Freedom of speech , in the United States at least , is not given to citizens so that they can harm other people 's reputations or hold them accountable for their actions.Well excuse me if I would like to know the people I 'm freely speaking to have issues with other people 's right to a life .
It might persuade me not to freely speak around them as they OBVIOUSLY have an inclination towards taking the lives of those they do n't agree with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure a lot of people are going to come out against the position of Germany's culture on this, citing freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech, in the United States at least, is not given to citizens so that they can harm other people's reputations or hold them accountable for their actions.Well excuse me if I would like to know the people I'm freely speaking to have issues with other people's right to a life.
It might persuade me not to freely speak around them as they OBVIOUSLY have an inclination towards taking the lives of those they don't agree with.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30104212</id>
	<title>German concept of dignity</title>
	<author>ffflala</author>
	<datestamp>1258225080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I get that German law considers prison as primarily reformative, and has an affirmative respect for human dignity in its basic law, but I still think this law gets the balancing wrong.</p><p>From what I understand the concept of dignity applies as much to the deceased as it does to the living --Klaus Mann in the Mephisto case (http://books.google.com/books?id=sHZfkgxtoZQC&amp;pg=PA301&amp;lpg=PA301&amp;dq=mephisto+case&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=BmWa0DHtk4&amp;sig=n-E3ZqS\_0NJ-mTOFr9Etr2L2JTM&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=qZf\_SsSQJJHJlAejz4SMCw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book\_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;q=mephisto\%20case&amp;f=false)</p><p>To command that all references to a victim's killers be scrubbed seems to interfere with the deceased's right to dignity. Denying the holocaust is a crime in Germany because it disrespects the suffering of the victims; this law allows these murderers to deny their own crime.</p><p>If Germany wishes to protect their rights to move on, gain employment, and be free from harassment, they can do so by less restrictive means than by commanding that others never mention the past, in public, in too specific a level of detail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I get that German law considers prison as primarily reformative , and has an affirmative respect for human dignity in its basic law , but I still think this law gets the balancing wrong.From what I understand the concept of dignity applies as much to the deceased as it does to the living --Klaus Mann in the Mephisto case ( http : //books.google.com/books ? id = sHZfkgxtoZQC&amp;pg = PA301&amp;lpg = PA301&amp;dq = mephisto + case&amp;source = bl&amp;ots = BmWa0DHtk4&amp;sig = n-E3ZqS \ _0NJ-mTOFr9Etr2L2JTM&amp;hl = en&amp;ei = qZf \ _SsSQJJHJlAejz4SMCw&amp;sa = X&amp;oi = book \ _result&amp;ct = result&amp;resnum = 1&amp;ved = 0CBQQ6AEwAA # v = onepage&amp;q = mephisto \ % 20case&amp;f = false ) To command that all references to a victim 's killers be scrubbed seems to interfere with the deceased 's right to dignity .
Denying the holocaust is a crime in Germany because it disrespects the suffering of the victims ; this law allows these murderers to deny their own crime.If Germany wishes to protect their rights to move on , gain employment , and be free from harassment , they can do so by less restrictive means than by commanding that others never mention the past , in public , in too specific a level of detail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get that German law considers prison as primarily reformative, and has an affirmative respect for human dignity in its basic law, but I still think this law gets the balancing wrong.From what I understand the concept of dignity applies as much to the deceased as it does to the living --Klaus Mann in the Mephisto case (http://books.google.com/books?id=sHZfkgxtoZQC&amp;pg=PA301&amp;lpg=PA301&amp;dq=mephisto+case&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=BmWa0DHtk4&amp;sig=n-E3ZqS\_0NJ-mTOFr9Etr2L2JTM&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=qZf\_SsSQJJHJlAejz4SMCw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book\_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;q=mephisto\%20case&amp;f=false)To command that all references to a victim's killers be scrubbed seems to interfere with the deceased's right to dignity.
Denying the holocaust is a crime in Germany because it disrespects the suffering of the victims; this law allows these murderers to deny their own crime.If Germany wishes to protect their rights to move on, gain employment, and be free from harassment, they can do so by less restrictive means than by commanding that others never mention the past, in public, in too specific a level of detail.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30100304</id>
	<title>You can tell they've been out of circulation...</title>
	<author>vorlich</author>
	<datestamp>1258189560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>for a longtime. They have obviously never heard of the Streisand Effect. <br>(Does it really need a link here? Oh alright then. knock yourself out.<br> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand\_effect" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand\_effect</a> [wikipedia.org] )<br> <br> I live here and they have managed to reach out to me over the intraweb. I would never have thought of clicking the "english" button on that German wikipedia page either.<br>I know nothing-NOTHING! <br>- <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogan's\_heroes" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogan's\_heroes</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>for a longtime .
They have obviously never heard of the Streisand Effect .
( Does it really need a link here ?
Oh alright then .
knock yourself out .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand \ _effect [ wikipedia.org ] ) I live here and they have managed to reach out to me over the intraweb .
I would never have thought of clicking the " english " button on that German wikipedia page either.I know nothing-NOTHING !
- http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogan 's \ _heroes [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for a longtime.
They have obviously never heard of the Streisand Effect.
(Does it really need a link here?
Oh alright then.
knock yourself out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand\_effect [wikipedia.org] )  I live here and they have managed to reach out to me over the intraweb.
I would never have thought of clicking the "english" button on that German wikipedia page either.I know nothing-NOTHING!
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogan's\_heroes [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30110510</id>
	<title>Re:A fresh start</title>
	<author>AK Marc</author>
	<datestamp>1258291500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>It strikes me as very authoritarian for the state to make this judgment for other people. Do you really think it's appropriate to block an employer or a potential spouse from getting this information?</i> <br> <br>Yes.  You are either free to reenter society, or not.  To place someone back into society and place purposeful blocks from them actually integrating them into it is one reason there are high recividism rates.  "You can go work now, but you have to tell everyone you are a felon so no one will hire you."</htmltext>
<tokenext>It strikes me as very authoritarian for the state to make this judgment for other people .
Do you really think it 's appropriate to block an employer or a potential spouse from getting this information ?
Yes. You are either free to reenter society , or not .
To place someone back into society and place purposeful blocks from them actually integrating them into it is one reason there are high recividism rates .
" You can go work now , but you have to tell everyone you are a felon so no one will hire you .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It strikes me as very authoritarian for the state to make this judgment for other people.
Do you really think it's appropriate to block an employer or a potential spouse from getting this information?
Yes.  You are either free to reenter society, or not.
To place someone back into society and place purposeful blocks from them actually integrating them into it is one reason there are high recividism rates.
"You can go work now, but you have to tell everyone you are a felon so no one will hire you.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099444</id>
	<title>Re: A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258227300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No ones expecting anything to be forgotten, brushed under the rug, or whitewashed from history.<br> <br>Freedom of speech is one thing, having your names forever published in an online <b>encyclopedia</b> is quite another. Are you suggesting every criminal has their name and crime published in wikipedia ? What about juvenile offenders ? If you accept that then you would seem to be in favour of mob rule.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No ones expecting anything to be forgotten , brushed under the rug , or whitewashed from history .
Freedom of speech is one thing , having your names forever published in an online encyclopedia is quite another .
Are you suggesting every criminal has their name and crime published in wikipedia ?
What about juvenile offenders ?
If you accept that then you would seem to be in favour of mob rule .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No ones expecting anything to be forgotten, brushed under the rug, or whitewashed from history.
Freedom of speech is one thing, having your names forever published in an online encyclopedia is quite another.
Are you suggesting every criminal has their name and crime published in wikipedia ?
What about juvenile offenders ?
If you accept that then you would seem to be in favour of mob rule.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30111800</id>
	<title>P Money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258304280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wikipedia has blocked editing of a sex offender because he was given name suppression in New Zealand.</p><p>This was removed from the page:<br><b>Career Controversy</b></p><p>In March 2009, Peter Wadams was involved in a late night incident following a concert in Wellington. Two young women asked to kiss his cheek and Wadams led them up an alleyway, pulled out his penis, and told them to "kiss my balls". The court heard that Wadams grabbed the victim's head and forced it down to his crotch. The victim felt Wadams' penis on her cheek and moved her head to stop it entering her mouth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wikipedia has blocked editing of a sex offender because he was given name suppression in New Zealand.This was removed from the page : Career ControversyIn March 2009 , Peter Wadams was involved in a late night incident following a concert in Wellington .
Two young women asked to kiss his cheek and Wadams led them up an alleyway , pulled out his penis , and told them to " kiss my balls " .
The court heard that Wadams grabbed the victim 's head and forced it down to his crotch .
The victim felt Wadams ' penis on her cheek and moved her head to stop it entering her mouth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wikipedia has blocked editing of a sex offender because he was given name suppression in New Zealand.This was removed from the page:Career ControversyIn March 2009, Peter Wadams was involved in a late night incident following a concert in Wellington.
Two young women asked to kiss his cheek and Wadams led them up an alleyway, pulled out his penis, and told them to "kiss my balls".
The court heard that Wadams grabbed the victim's head and forced it down to his crotch.
The victim felt Wadams' penis on her cheek and moved her head to stop it entering her mouth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30104824</id>
	<title>Silence!</title>
	<author>balaband</author>
	<datestamp>1258278780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I kill you!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I kill you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I kill you!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099904</id>
	<title>No direct references?</title>
	<author>fishtorte</author>
	<datestamp>1258230240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How something like about this:</p><p>#!/usr/bin/perl<br>($murderer1, $murderer2) = ('Wolfgang Werl&#233;' , 'Manfred Lauber');<br>($guy1, $guy2) = (\$murderer1, \$murderer2);<br>print WIKIPEDIA "$guy1 and $guy2 killed a German actor in 1990";</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How something like about this : # ! /usr/bin/perl ( $ murderer1 , $ murderer2 ) = ( 'Wolfgang Werl   ' , 'Manfred Lauber ' ) ; ( $ guy1 , $ guy2 ) = ( \ $ murderer1 , \ $ murderer2 ) ; print WIKIPEDIA " $ guy1 and $ guy2 killed a German actor in 1990 " ;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How something like about this:#!/usr/bin/perl($murderer1, $murderer2) = ('Wolfgang Werlé' , 'Manfred Lauber');($guy1, $guy2) = (\$murderer1, \$murderer2);print WIKIPEDIA "$guy1 and $guy2 killed a German actor in 1990";</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30115756</id>
	<title>Re: A fresh start</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258388760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Except for the guy they killed. Where's his freedom and chance?</p> </div><p>Please enlighten us with your plan to make him live again. If you don't have one, I suggest accepting that the man is dead and that no-one can do anything for him anymore. All we can now do is limit the damages to society as a whole.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except for the guy they killed .
Where 's his freedom and chance ?
Please enlighten us with your plan to make him live again .
If you do n't have one , I suggest accepting that the man is dead and that no-one can do anything for him anymore .
All we can now do is limit the damages to society as a whole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except for the guy they killed.
Where's his freedom and chance?
Please enlighten us with your plan to make him live again.
If you don't have one, I suggest accepting that the man is dead and that no-one can do anything for him anymore.
All we can now do is limit the damages to society as a whole.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30127428</id>
	<title>Retarded much?</title>
	<author>TheMaTrIxBEL</author>
	<datestamp>1258458960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Erm, by that legal logic, Hitler shouldn't be mentioned by name when talking about the holocaust either, considering he endured his punishment (DEATH).

What kind of retarded law is that!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Erm , by that legal logic , Hitler should n't be mentioned by name when talking about the holocaust either , considering he endured his punishment ( DEATH ) .
What kind of retarded law is that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Erm, by that legal logic, Hitler shouldn't be mentioned by name when talking about the holocaust either, considering he endured his punishment (DEATH).
What kind of retarded law is that!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30103872</id>
	<title>What a ridiculous law.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258221180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They may have served their time, but that doesnt change the fact that they killed someone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They may have served their time , but that doesnt change the fact that they killed someone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They may have served their time, but that doesnt change the fact that they killed someone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30100248</id>
	<title>Drastic penalties have drastic side effects</title>
	<author>Nicolas MONNET</author>
	<datestamp>1258189260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you happen to commit one murder, and the penalty is the same as for 100 murders, you would be correct in finding it logically desirable to kill every potential witness and their family for good measure, instead of stopping at one victim.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you happen to commit one murder , and the penalty is the same as for 100 murders , you would be correct in finding it logically desirable to kill every potential witness and their family for good measure , instead of stopping at one victim .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you happen to commit one murder, and the penalty is the same as for 100 murders, you would be correct in finding it logically desirable to kill every potential witness and their family for good measure, instead of stopping at one victim.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30103394</id>
	<title>What an insane law</title>
	<author>JerryLove</author>
	<datestamp>1258216980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does it require that we go around the world with a black marker redacting their names from all those printed newspapers from before they serve their time? How would you like to make everyone just "forget" as well?</p><p>I suppose I understand Germany's position: they did their time, you aren't allowed to punish them more, but just *change their actual names*. It would be *much* easier than trying to put the genie back in the bottle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it require that we go around the world with a black marker redacting their names from all those printed newspapers from before they serve their time ?
How would you like to make everyone just " forget " as well ? I suppose I understand Germany 's position : they did their time , you are n't allowed to punish them more , but just * change their actual names * .
It would be * much * easier than trying to put the genie back in the bottle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it require that we go around the world with a black marker redacting their names from all those printed newspapers from before they serve their time?
How would you like to make everyone just "forget" as well?I suppose I understand Germany's position: they did their time, you aren't allowed to punish them more, but just *change their actual names*.
It would be *much* easier than trying to put the genie back in the bottle.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30101928</id>
	<title>Re:Get your lawyers ready /.</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1258201980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except in cases of violent offenses, such as kidnapping, murder, rape, robbery, etc., you should be fined an amount proportional to both the seriousness of the offense as well as your income level.</p><p>Imprisonment isn't just meant to punish you, it's also to protect society from you.  In that respect it's less of a sentence and more of a quarantine against violence.</p><p>Our prisons need reformed.  Give everyone a teeny 8 foot cubic cell with every jail door facing ONE WAY towards the rear wall of the next row.  And do not let them out except for community service/work crew.  They stay in their cell until yanked out for work, get put to work for their shift, then straight back to their cell they go.</p><p>This will eliminate the following problems:</p><p>* Cell-mates no longer serve as a conduit for recruitment<br>* Strong isolation will crack down on contraband distribution.<br>* Prisoners, by being either in strict solitary or direct guard supervision, never<br>* Since when encelled nobody can see anyone else, the innocent people who will inevitably get stuck inside will be safe, and the bad guys dominating the population won't have a chance to intimidate anyone.</p><p>Those who say that jail conditions, including prison rape, are part and parcel of "doing the time" seem to neglect the fact that the people perpetuating the prison rape are laughing their pants off that they are getting away with holding someone else down, not to mention that while they're boning their victim they aren't really suffering.  After all, if the whole point of prison is to be punished, what the hell are we doing letting the beefers get free sex whenever they want it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except in cases of violent offenses , such as kidnapping , murder , rape , robbery , etc. , you should be fined an amount proportional to both the seriousness of the offense as well as your income level.Imprisonment is n't just meant to punish you , it 's also to protect society from you .
In that respect it 's less of a sentence and more of a quarantine against violence.Our prisons need reformed .
Give everyone a teeny 8 foot cubic cell with every jail door facing ONE WAY towards the rear wall of the next row .
And do not let them out except for community service/work crew .
They stay in their cell until yanked out for work , get put to work for their shift , then straight back to their cell they go.This will eliminate the following problems : * Cell-mates no longer serve as a conduit for recruitment * Strong isolation will crack down on contraband distribution .
* Prisoners , by being either in strict solitary or direct guard supervision , never * Since when encelled nobody can see anyone else , the innocent people who will inevitably get stuck inside will be safe , and the bad guys dominating the population wo n't have a chance to intimidate anyone.Those who say that jail conditions , including prison rape , are part and parcel of " doing the time " seem to neglect the fact that the people perpetuating the prison rape are laughing their pants off that they are getting away with holding someone else down , not to mention that while they 're boning their victim they are n't really suffering .
After all , if the whole point of prison is to be punished , what the hell are we doing letting the beefers get free sex whenever they want it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except in cases of violent offenses, such as kidnapping, murder, rape, robbery, etc., you should be fined an amount proportional to both the seriousness of the offense as well as your income level.Imprisonment isn't just meant to punish you, it's also to protect society from you.
In that respect it's less of a sentence and more of a quarantine against violence.Our prisons need reformed.
Give everyone a teeny 8 foot cubic cell with every jail door facing ONE WAY towards the rear wall of the next row.
And do not let them out except for community service/work crew.
They stay in their cell until yanked out for work, get put to work for their shift, then straight back to their cell they go.This will eliminate the following problems:* Cell-mates no longer serve as a conduit for recruitment* Strong isolation will crack down on contraband distribution.
* Prisoners, by being either in strict solitary or direct guard supervision, never* Since when encelled nobody can see anyone else, the innocent people who will inevitably get stuck inside will be safe, and the bad guys dominating the population won't have a chance to intimidate anyone.Those who say that jail conditions, including prison rape, are part and parcel of "doing the time" seem to neglect the fact that the people perpetuating the prison rape are laughing their pants off that they are getting away with holding someone else down, not to mention that while they're boning their victim they aren't really suffering.
After all, if the whole point of prison is to be punished, what the hell are we doing letting the beefers get free sex whenever they want it?</sentencetext>
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--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30099622
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-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098570
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30100362
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30104486
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098584
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30110510
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098462
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098912
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098544
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098966
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098742
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098798
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098378
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30098474
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30103168
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_1511211.30100390
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