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	<title>Vatican Debates Possibility of Alien Life</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1258204380000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Pickens</a> writes <i>"The Telegraph reports that the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences is <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6536400/The-Vatican-joins-the-search-for-alien-life.html">holding its first ever conference on alien life</a>, the discovery of which would have profound implications for the Catholic Church. For centuries, theologians have argued over what the existence of life elsewhere in the universe would mean for the Church. Among other things, extremely alien-looking aliens would be hard to fit with the idea that God 'made man in his own image' and Jesus Christ's role as savior would be confused; would other worlds have their own Christ-figures, or would Earth's Christ be universal? Just as the Church eventually made accommodations after Copernicus and Galileo showed that the Earth was not the center of the universe, and when it belatedly accepted the truth of Darwin's theory of evolution, Catholic leaders say that alien life can be aligned with the Bible's teachings. 'Just as a multiplicity of creatures exists on Earth, <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hf92aHEwYT87J1XPP4JrIusKBT-AD9BSTO1G1">so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God</a>,' says Father Jose Funes, a Jesuit astronomer at the Vatican Observatory and one of the organizers of the conference. Others do not agree. 'If you look back at the history of Christian debate on this, it divides into two camps. There are those that believe that <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/06/AR2009110601899.html">it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens</a>, and those who believe in multiple incarnations,' says Paul Davies, a theoretical physicist. 'The multiple incarnations is a heresy in Catholicism.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pickens writes " The Telegraph reports that the Vatican 's Pontifical Academy of Sciences is holding its first ever conference on alien life , the discovery of which would have profound implications for the Catholic Church .
For centuries , theologians have argued over what the existence of life elsewhere in the universe would mean for the Church .
Among other things , extremely alien-looking aliens would be hard to fit with the idea that God 'made man in his own image ' and Jesus Christ 's role as savior would be confused ; would other worlds have their own Christ-figures , or would Earth 's Christ be universal ?
Just as the Church eventually made accommodations after Copernicus and Galileo showed that the Earth was not the center of the universe , and when it belatedly accepted the truth of Darwin 's theory of evolution , Catholic leaders say that alien life can be aligned with the Bible 's teachings .
'Just as a multiplicity of creatures exists on Earth , so there could be other beings , also intelligent , created by God, ' says Father Jose Funes , a Jesuit astronomer at the Vatican Observatory and one of the organizers of the conference .
Others do not agree .
'If you look back at the history of Christian debate on this , it divides into two camps .
There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens , and those who believe in multiple incarnations, ' says Paul Davies , a theoretical physicist .
'The multiple incarnations is a heresy in Catholicism .
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<sentencetext>Pickens writes "The Telegraph reports that the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences is holding its first ever conference on alien life, the discovery of which would have profound implications for the Catholic Church.
For centuries, theologians have argued over what the existence of life elsewhere in the universe would mean for the Church.
Among other things, extremely alien-looking aliens would be hard to fit with the idea that God 'made man in his own image' and Jesus Christ's role as savior would be confused; would other worlds have their own Christ-figures, or would Earth's Christ be universal?
Just as the Church eventually made accommodations after Copernicus and Galileo showed that the Earth was not the center of the universe, and when it belatedly accepted the truth of Darwin's theory of evolution, Catholic leaders say that alien life can be aligned with the Bible's teachings.
'Just as a multiplicity of creatures exists on Earth, so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God,' says Father Jose Funes, a Jesuit astronomer at the Vatican Observatory and one of the organizers of the conference.
Others do not agree.
'If you look back at the history of Christian debate on this, it divides into two camps.
There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens, and those who believe in multiple incarnations,' says Paul Davies, a theoretical physicist.
'The multiple incarnations is a heresy in Catholicism.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<title>You know what this means!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258209000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Vatican, the UN and the USAF already has been in contact with the aliens; this conference is just to prep the world for the breaking news.
<br> <br>
If you don't believe me, check out V on ABC (in the USA)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Vatican , the UN and the USAF already has been in contact with the aliens ; this conference is just to prep the world for the breaking news .
If you do n't believe me , check out V on ABC ( in the USA )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vatican, the UN and the USAF already has been in contact with the aliens; this conference is just to prep the world for the breaking news.
If you don't believe me, check out V on ABC (in the USA)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097176</id>
	<title>Intelligence Squared debate:</title>
	<author>Animaether</author>
	<datestamp>1258211400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I watched that a few days ago, and one of the concluding points was interesting.. the archbishop of Nigeria mentioned that the other side (Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens) failed to show that the Catholic church is -not- a force for good in the world.</p><p>And he's right.. the two gentlemen merely showed that members of that church have done wrong - in the distant past, the recent past, and in current times (yea olde pope thinking condoms are evil and all that) - and are not a force for good in the world.  But they have not shown that the Catholic church, as an institution, is not a force for good in the world.</p><p>Of course, therein also lies the catch... you -can't- prove that the Catholic church as an institution is not a force for good in the world if all of its mistakes can be written off as the wrongdoings of its members.  And therein lies also the rebuttal.. if only its members can do wrong, then only its members can do good.</p><p>"Is the Catholic church a force for good in the world?", then, is a question that simply has no answer.</p><p>The question should have been about specific elements within the Catholic church, or its constituency as a whole, and not whether they're good or not, but whether they're good or evil ('not good' could, after all, mean that they're just.. not good.. not evil, but not good either).<br>Stephen and Christopher do answer -that- question, just as the other side argues for their take on that question, and it is worth watching.  Although it is entirely too short, the audience's questions are glossed over (in part due to the time constraints - and it should be said that the audience sure knows how to make their question long-winded, by thanking the speakers, telling them their personal stories, blabla) and it's certainly not meant to be an in-depth debate.  Unfortunate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I watched that a few days ago , and one of the concluding points was interesting.. the archbishop of Nigeria mentioned that the other side ( Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens ) failed to show that the Catholic church is -not- a force for good in the world.And he 's right.. the two gentlemen merely showed that members of that church have done wrong - in the distant past , the recent past , and in current times ( yea olde pope thinking condoms are evil and all that ) - and are not a force for good in the world .
But they have not shown that the Catholic church , as an institution , is not a force for good in the world.Of course , therein also lies the catch... you -ca n't- prove that the Catholic church as an institution is not a force for good in the world if all of its mistakes can be written off as the wrongdoings of its members .
And therein lies also the rebuttal.. if only its members can do wrong , then only its members can do good .
" Is the Catholic church a force for good in the world ?
" , then , is a question that simply has no answer.The question should have been about specific elements within the Catholic church , or its constituency as a whole , and not whether they 're good or not , but whether they 're good or evil ( 'not good ' could , after all , mean that they 're just.. not good.. not evil , but not good either ) .Stephen and Christopher do answer -that- question , just as the other side argues for their take on that question , and it is worth watching .
Although it is entirely too short , the audience 's questions are glossed over ( in part due to the time constraints - and it should be said that the audience sure knows how to make their question long-winded , by thanking the speakers , telling them their personal stories , blabla ) and it 's certainly not meant to be an in-depth debate .
Unfortunate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I watched that a few days ago, and one of the concluding points was interesting.. the archbishop of Nigeria mentioned that the other side (Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens) failed to show that the Catholic church is -not- a force for good in the world.And he's right.. the two gentlemen merely showed that members of that church have done wrong - in the distant past, the recent past, and in current times (yea olde pope thinking condoms are evil and all that) - and are not a force for good in the world.
But they have not shown that the Catholic church, as an institution, is not a force for good in the world.Of course, therein also lies the catch... you -can't- prove that the Catholic church as an institution is not a force for good in the world if all of its mistakes can be written off as the wrongdoings of its members.
And therein lies also the rebuttal.. if only its members can do wrong, then only its members can do good.
"Is the Catholic church a force for good in the world?
", then, is a question that simply has no answer.The question should have been about specific elements within the Catholic church, or its constituency as a whole, and not whether they're good or not, but whether they're good or evil ('not good' could, after all, mean that they're just.. not good.. not evil, but not good either).Stephen and Christopher do answer -that- question, just as the other side argues for their take on that question, and it is worth watching.
Although it is entirely too short, the audience's questions are glossed over (in part due to the time constraints - and it should be said that the audience sure knows how to make their question long-winded, by thanking the speakers, telling them their personal stories, blabla) and it's certainly not meant to be an in-depth debate.
Unfortunate.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098848</id>
	<title>Re:The problem with religion</title>
	<author>burris</author>
	<datestamp>1258223400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If we ever do have the pleasure of meeting some of them, we'll probably do what we've done throughout our entire history of existence</p></div></blockquote><p>Which is destroy them if we can't subjugate them, right?</p></div>
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<tokenext>If we ever do have the pleasure of meeting some of them , we 'll probably do what we 've done throughout our entire history of existenceWhich is destroy them if we ca n't subjugate them , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we ever do have the pleasure of meeting some of them, we'll probably do what we've done throughout our entire history of existenceWhich is destroy them if we can't subjugate them, right?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098170</id>
	<title>Re:Keep It Simple</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258219800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can any of us imagine a Holy book being delivered two thousand years ago that babbled about relativity, the Higg"s Boson or multi dimensional universes?</p></div><p>Right, so instead we have the New Testament condoning slavery:

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed.  If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful.  You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts.  Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.  (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

And Jesus giving instructions on when it's alright to beat your servants:

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it.  "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly.  Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."  (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

I'm an atheist because I made the mistake of actually reading the Bible.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Can any of us imagine a Holy book being delivered two thousand years ago that babbled about relativity , the Higg " s Boson or multi dimensional universes ? Right , so instead we have the New Testament condoning slavery : Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed .
If your master is a Christian , that is no excuse for being disrespectful .
You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts .
Teach these truths , Timothy , and encourage everyone to obey them .
( 1 Timothy 6 : 1-2 NLT ) And Jesus giving instructions on when it 's alright to beat your servants : The servant will be severely punished , for though he knew his duty , he refused to do it .
" But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly .
Much is required from those to whom much is given , and much more is required from those to whom much more is given .
" ( Luke 12 : 47-48 NLT ) I 'm an atheist because I made the mistake of actually reading the Bible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can any of us imagine a Holy book being delivered two thousand years ago that babbled about relativity, the Higg"s Boson or multi dimensional universes?Right, so instead we have the New Testament condoning slavery:

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed.
If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful.
You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts.
Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.
(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

And Jesus giving instructions on when it's alright to beat your servants:

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it.
"But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly.
Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.
"  (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

I'm an atheist because I made the mistake of actually reading the Bible.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30111530</id>
	<title>Re:Wow...</title>
	<author>aqk</author>
	<datestamp>1258301340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>or his jaw....</htmltext>
<tokenext>or his jaw... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or his jaw....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098614</id>
	<title>What I believe since my childhood</title>
	<author>jijitus</author>
	<datestamp>1258222260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just like orthodox Jewish believe God's salvation if for them only, and the rest of us have a place in God's plan that is somewhat inferior, we could come up with saying God created us on his/her own image, salvation is for us, and for the rest of our neighbors we can only preach Human morality, as seen on Star Trek.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just like orthodox Jewish believe God 's salvation if for them only , and the rest of us have a place in God 's plan that is somewhat inferior , we could come up with saying God created us on his/her own image , salvation is for us , and for the rest of our neighbors we can only preach Human morality , as seen on Star Trek .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just like orthodox Jewish believe God's salvation if for them only, and the rest of us have a place in God's plan that is somewhat inferior, we could come up with saying God created us on his/her own image, salvation is for us, and for the rest of our neighbors we can only preach Human morality, as seen on Star Trek.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Silent Planet</title>
	<author>Erich</author>
	<datestamp>1258204920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>C. S. Lewis wrote a series of books about this exact premise.  In his stories, there is indeed life on other planets, but the life there is not fallen as it is on Earth.  The first one is entitled "Out of the Silent Planet," and the collection is known as the "Space Trilogy".</htmltext>
<tokenext>C. S. Lewis wrote a series of books about this exact premise .
In his stories , there is indeed life on other planets , but the life there is not fallen as it is on Earth .
The first one is entitled " Out of the Silent Planet , " and the collection is known as the " Space Trilogy " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>C. S. Lewis wrote a series of books about this exact premise.
In his stories, there is indeed life on other planets, but the life there is not fallen as it is on Earth.
The first one is entitled "Out of the Silent Planet," and the collection is known as the "Space Trilogy".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098618</id>
	<title>Timing is everything</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258222260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is it that the Vatican, all of a sudden, is talking about this? Maybe it's because we're only 3 years away from 2012.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it that the Vatican , all of a sudden , is talking about this ?
Maybe it 's because we 're only 3 years away from 2012 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it that the Vatican, all of a sudden, is talking about this?
Maybe it's because we're only 3 years away from 2012.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097546</id>
	<title>Catholics:  Prepare to be assimilated.</title>
	<author>popo</author>
	<datestamp>1258214460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Christians, please be aware that the intergalactic god, Zul-9 is the "one and only God".    The alien crusaders are coming to spread the Word of the Great God Zul-9, and they want your churches, cathedrals and your women.</p><p>And if you silly Christians want "proof" that Zul-9 is the only God, then you can read it for yourself in the Biblio Galactica -- where it's written in clear, concise Zorgox "There is no God but Zul-9.  All other gods are His sexual playthings -- until he eats them like crumpets with his afternoon tea."</p><p>Any evidence that the Cathoilc church attempts to put forward in an effort to discredit Zul-9 are words of the Devil (The evil "Byxaplaximax") and are but mere examples of obfuscation used by the Forces of Evil to cloud the One True Word of Zul-9.   (It is common knowledge that the entire Bible was penned by an incredibly drunk Byxaplaximax in a weak effort to stifle Zul-9.)</p><p>To any Catholics who suddenly believe that their god may have created life elsewhere in the Universe, Zul-9 has proclaimed the following words: "Jesus H. Christ, stop trying to change up your stodgy little screed to encompass new scientific data which clearly disproves your stodgy little screed. There is no god but me, and you should know that because I've already buggered and devoured your god and he needed salt." (From the Book of the Book of St. Pogax-7).</p><p>And if there are any Catholics who cling to their religion in spite of the overwhelming evidence that they are uneducated monkeys, Zul-9 would like to remind these unbelievers that they have to "have faith".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Christians , please be aware that the intergalactic god , Zul-9 is the " one and only God " .
The alien crusaders are coming to spread the Word of the Great God Zul-9 , and they want your churches , cathedrals and your women.And if you silly Christians want " proof " that Zul-9 is the only God , then you can read it for yourself in the Biblio Galactica -- where it 's written in clear , concise Zorgox " There is no God but Zul-9 .
All other gods are His sexual playthings -- until he eats them like crumpets with his afternoon tea .
" Any evidence that the Cathoilc church attempts to put forward in an effort to discredit Zul-9 are words of the Devil ( The evil " Byxaplaximax " ) and are but mere examples of obfuscation used by the Forces of Evil to cloud the One True Word of Zul-9 .
( It is common knowledge that the entire Bible was penned by an incredibly drunk Byxaplaximax in a weak effort to stifle Zul-9 .
) To any Catholics who suddenly believe that their god may have created life elsewhere in the Universe , Zul-9 has proclaimed the following words : " Jesus H. Christ , stop trying to change up your stodgy little screed to encompass new scientific data which clearly disproves your stodgy little screed .
There is no god but me , and you should know that because I 've already buggered and devoured your god and he needed salt .
" ( From the Book of the Book of St. Pogax-7 ) .And if there are any Catholics who cling to their religion in spite of the overwhelming evidence that they are uneducated monkeys , Zul-9 would like to remind these unbelievers that they have to " have faith " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Christians, please be aware that the intergalactic god, Zul-9 is the "one and only God".
The alien crusaders are coming to spread the Word of the Great God Zul-9, and they want your churches, cathedrals and your women.And if you silly Christians want "proof" that Zul-9 is the only God, then you can read it for yourself in the Biblio Galactica -- where it's written in clear, concise Zorgox "There is no God but Zul-9.
All other gods are His sexual playthings -- until he eats them like crumpets with his afternoon tea.
"Any evidence that the Cathoilc church attempts to put forward in an effort to discredit Zul-9 are words of the Devil (The evil "Byxaplaximax") and are but mere examples of obfuscation used by the Forces of Evil to cloud the One True Word of Zul-9.
(It is common knowledge that the entire Bible was penned by an incredibly drunk Byxaplaximax in a weak effort to stifle Zul-9.
)To any Catholics who suddenly believe that their god may have created life elsewhere in the Universe, Zul-9 has proclaimed the following words: "Jesus H. Christ, stop trying to change up your stodgy little screed to encompass new scientific data which clearly disproves your stodgy little screed.
There is no god but me, and you should know that because I've already buggered and devoured your god and he needed salt.
" (From the Book of the Book of St. Pogax-7).And if there are any Catholics who cling to their religion in spite of the overwhelming evidence that they are uneducated monkeys, Zul-9 would like to remind these unbelievers that they have to "have faith".</sentencetext>
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	<title>So the bullshitters change their story.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258208400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the bullshitters have changed their story after it's shown to be implausible. It's not like they had much choice. People are leaving that organization in droves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the bullshitters have changed their story after it 's shown to be implausible .
It 's not like they had much choice .
People are leaving that organization in droves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the bullshitters have changed their story after it's shown to be implausible.
It's not like they had much choice.
People are leaving that organization in droves.</sentencetext>
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	<title>666</title>
	<author>Bromrrrrr</author>
	<datestamp>1258378680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Seriously, this topic was at 666 comments and some heartless bastard had the nerve to post the 667th?

<a href="http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5710/666b.png" title="imageshack.us" rel="nofollow">http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5710/666b.png</a> [imageshack.us]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , this topic was at 666 comments and some heartless bastard had the nerve to post the 667th ?
http : //img94.imageshack.us/img94/5710/666b.png [ imageshack.us ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, this topic was at 666 comments and some heartless bastard had the nerve to post the 667th?
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5710/666b.png [imageshack.us]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097126</id>
	<title>How to be more funny?</title>
	<author>DanielSmedegaardBuus</author>
	<datestamp>1258211160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Argh! Can't... find... anything... to... say... that's... more... funny... than what they're already saying!</p><p>The holy book heads' battle with science a.k.a. lucency a.k.a. anti-brainwash a.k.a. non-bullshit is much akin to a talking monkey trying to explain the passing of seasons as somehow being ultimately tied to the taste of bananas.</p><p>They're just so funny!</p><p>Except, of course, when they go postal with the crusading, and the suicide bombing, and the child molestation, and the... Ah well, maybe it's not so funny after all...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Argh !
Ca n't... find... anything... to... say... that 's... more... funny... than what they 're already saying ! The holy book heads ' battle with science a.k.a .
lucency a.k.a .
anti-brainwash a.k.a .
non-bullshit is much akin to a talking monkey trying to explain the passing of seasons as somehow being ultimately tied to the taste of bananas.They 're just so funny ! Except , of course , when they go postal with the crusading , and the suicide bombing , and the child molestation , and the... Ah well , maybe it 's not so funny after all.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Argh!
Can't... find... anything... to... say... that's... more... funny... than what they're already saying!The holy book heads' battle with science a.k.a.
lucency a.k.a.
anti-brainwash a.k.a.
non-bullshit is much akin to a talking monkey trying to explain the passing of seasons as somehow being ultimately tied to the taste of bananas.They're just so funny!Except, of course, when they go postal with the crusading, and the suicide bombing, and the child molestation, and the... Ah well, maybe it's not so funny after all...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098768</id>
	<title>Humans are Superior</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258223040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>If we're going to start discussing alien life we must continue a long standing Human tradition, bigotry and discrimination.  To that end I must insist that, through all measures natural and artificial, Humans are the superior to all other beings.  It will be shown in time, should other beings of other worlds be found, that Humans are their master they our slaves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If we 're going to start discussing alien life we must continue a long standing Human tradition , bigotry and discrimination .
To that end I must insist that , through all measures natural and artificial , Humans are the superior to all other beings .
It will be shown in time , should other beings of other worlds be found , that Humans are their master they our slaves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we're going to start discussing alien life we must continue a long standing Human tradition, bigotry and discrimination.
To that end I must insist that, through all measures natural and artificial, Humans are the superior to all other beings.
It will be shown in time, should other beings of other worlds be found, that Humans are their master they our slaves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30101538</id>
	<title>Yay or Nay.</title>
	<author>Snufu</author>
	<datestamp>1258198920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Perhaps a very long time ago on a distant world, a small group beings convened to debate the possible existence of the vatican.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps a very long time ago on a distant world , a small group beings convened to debate the possible existence of the vatican .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps a very long time ago on a distant world, a small group beings convened to debate the possible existence of the vatican.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097102</id>
	<title>Mathematically speaking...</title>
	<author>uuddlrlrab</author>
	<datestamp>1258210920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>...this could be the theological equivalent of executing a proof, thinking you've got it right, only to wind up dividing by zero. Oops. Let's just review those first equations again...
<br> On the other hand, though, they could easily explain it away by saying only humans have souls, and therefore aliens are really just demons/not living or some other gibberish like that. It wouldn't be the first time religion has dehumanized/demonized (meh, really don't have any better terms than those right now) individuals, groups (social, religious and ethnic populations), and ideas, simply because they conflicted with the Church doctrine.
<br> <br>
As long as whatever they decide doesn't include a Xenu figure, they'll leave the illustrious status of "Most despicable 'religion' in the world," to <a href="http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Scientology" title="encycloped...matica.com" rel="nofollow">those who deserve it.</a> [encycloped...matica.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>...this could be the theological equivalent of executing a proof , thinking you 've got it right , only to wind up dividing by zero .
Oops. Let 's just review those first equations again.. . On the other hand , though , they could easily explain it away by saying only humans have souls , and therefore aliens are really just demons/not living or some other gibberish like that .
It would n't be the first time religion has dehumanized/demonized ( meh , really do n't have any better terms than those right now ) individuals , groups ( social , religious and ethnic populations ) , and ideas , simply because they conflicted with the Church doctrine .
As long as whatever they decide does n't include a Xenu figure , they 'll leave the illustrious status of " Most despicable 'religion ' in the world , " to those who deserve it .
[ encycloped...matica.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...this could be the theological equivalent of executing a proof, thinking you've got it right, only to wind up dividing by zero.
Oops. Let's just review those first equations again...
 On the other hand, though, they could easily explain it away by saying only humans have souls, and therefore aliens are really just demons/not living or some other gibberish like that.
It wouldn't be the first time religion has dehumanized/demonized (meh, really don't have any better terms than those right now) individuals, groups (social, religious and ethnic populations), and ideas, simply because they conflicted with the Church doctrine.
As long as whatever they decide doesn't include a Xenu figure, they'll leave the illustrious status of "Most despicable 'religion' in the world," to those who deserve it.
[encycloped...matica.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30102794</id>
	<title>The big problem with aliens...</title>
	<author>Osvaldo Doederlein</author>
	<datestamp>1258209240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...is this: suppose that we make contact with some alien species, and it just happens that they are overwhelmingly superior to us - a civilization that's thousands of years more advanced and kicks our ass in technology, morals, arts, everything.</p><p>Now suppose that this civilization is completely atheist. They are angel-like beings but with no God; they consider religion a trait of pre-historic (in their POV) civilizations. Just like, say, our modern opinion about cannibalism. Their scientists and philosophers have long demolished all pro-religion arguments, finishing this debate in such clear terms that any educated human would understand and find impossible to not agree.</p><p>*If* this happens (notice I'm just supposing), religion is in major trouble and the only option for resistance is fanatism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...is this : suppose that we make contact with some alien species , and it just happens that they are overwhelmingly superior to us - a civilization that 's thousands of years more advanced and kicks our ass in technology , morals , arts , everything.Now suppose that this civilization is completely atheist .
They are angel-like beings but with no God ; they consider religion a trait of pre-historic ( in their POV ) civilizations .
Just like , say , our modern opinion about cannibalism .
Their scientists and philosophers have long demolished all pro-religion arguments , finishing this debate in such clear terms that any educated human would understand and find impossible to not agree .
* If * this happens ( notice I 'm just supposing ) , religion is in major trouble and the only option for resistance is fanatism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is this: suppose that we make contact with some alien species, and it just happens that they are overwhelmingly superior to us - a civilization that's thousands of years more advanced and kicks our ass in technology, morals, arts, everything.Now suppose that this civilization is completely atheist.
They are angel-like beings but with no God; they consider religion a trait of pre-historic (in their POV) civilizations.
Just like, say, our modern opinion about cannibalism.
Their scientists and philosophers have long demolished all pro-religion arguments, finishing this debate in such clear terms that any educated human would understand and find impossible to not agree.
*If* this happens (notice I'm just supposing), religion is in major trouble and the only option for resistance is fanatism.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097152</id>
	<title>A Cosmic Relativity of Heresy</title>
	<author>Maljin Jolt</author>
	<datestamp>1258211280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>'The multiple incarnations is a heresy in Catholicism.'</i></p><p>For me, as for many aliens in this galaxy too, it is the <b>Monotheism</b> itself recognized as a most obscure heresy, catholicism included.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'The multiple incarnations is a heresy in Catholicism .
'For me , as for many aliens in this galaxy too , it is the Monotheism itself recognized as a most obscure heresy , catholicism included .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'The multiple incarnations is a heresy in Catholicism.
'For me, as for many aliens in this galaxy too, it is the Monotheism itself recognized as a most obscure heresy, catholicism included.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30104250</id>
	<title>I just don't get it...</title>
	<author>Slur</author>
	<datestamp>1258225620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do grown adults in this day and age need to preserve the idea that the words of Genesis are somehow literally true, and that there's a creator God who stood apart from everything and created it as a separate thing? Why do they need to take everything that we now understand about the Universe and shoehorn it into an ancient tribal conception of the way the world is?</p><p>I've heard otherwise rational people say, "well, of course Genesis isn't 'literally' true! For example, one of God's days might actually correspond to 2 billion years! That would square with the way things are!" Such people need to be slapped repeatedly with a noodley appendage.</p><p>The Universe is just the way it is. Life developed within it over billions of years as a product of natural processes. It's a continuous and complete thing. What's the problem with just accepting that we're here, and life has certain requirements, and our job is to live in harmony and fulfill the requirements of life in the most responsible way we can, given our capacities? Do we need to do everything as a show, or to please some celestial daddy? Is that really the only reason that we act in the world?</p><p>To my mind, it is much more breathtaking and invigorating to realize I am a product of and participant in something so infinitely vast and self-sustaining, without need of any kind of intervention whatsoever.</p><p>Fact is, the point of religion is entirely psychological, and for that it needs to have a certain continuity with the reality we know through our sense and experience, and to a great extent that reality is now determined by scientific discovery. The Catholic (aka inclusive) church is breaking under the strain of new knowledge, and its psychological framework is increasingly untenable. They are desperate to preserve the church itself and its central tenets at a time when people are more than ever aware that it's all a load of symbolism.</p><p>I think it's absolutely foolish the way they're bending over backwards to try to get reality to fit into their storybook conception of things. Reality isn't a story. Reality is visceral, omnipresent, and immanent in itself. When we engage with it directly, all that narrative goes away, and really I think religions should be stripping down to essentials and helping people to face reality as it is.</p><p>Of course, there are already good, austere schools that serve that end well, with an emphasis on living ethically and developing the mind through meditation and other practices, so as to be as happy, helpful, and fulfilled in life as is possible. My hope is that such schools will gain precedence over the primitive and superstitious religions that still hang on to the idea that we're all living in a book with God as a character. Reality is much deeper and more noble than such a childish outlook allows for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do grown adults in this day and age need to preserve the idea that the words of Genesis are somehow literally true , and that there 's a creator God who stood apart from everything and created it as a separate thing ?
Why do they need to take everything that we now understand about the Universe and shoehorn it into an ancient tribal conception of the way the world is ? I 've heard otherwise rational people say , " well , of course Genesis is n't 'literally ' true !
For example , one of God 's days might actually correspond to 2 billion years !
That would square with the way things are !
" Such people need to be slapped repeatedly with a noodley appendage.The Universe is just the way it is .
Life developed within it over billions of years as a product of natural processes .
It 's a continuous and complete thing .
What 's the problem with just accepting that we 're here , and life has certain requirements , and our job is to live in harmony and fulfill the requirements of life in the most responsible way we can , given our capacities ?
Do we need to do everything as a show , or to please some celestial daddy ?
Is that really the only reason that we act in the world ? To my mind , it is much more breathtaking and invigorating to realize I am a product of and participant in something so infinitely vast and self-sustaining , without need of any kind of intervention whatsoever.Fact is , the point of religion is entirely psychological , and for that it needs to have a certain continuity with the reality we know through our sense and experience , and to a great extent that reality is now determined by scientific discovery .
The Catholic ( aka inclusive ) church is breaking under the strain of new knowledge , and its psychological framework is increasingly untenable .
They are desperate to preserve the church itself and its central tenets at a time when people are more than ever aware that it 's all a load of symbolism.I think it 's absolutely foolish the way they 're bending over backwards to try to get reality to fit into their storybook conception of things .
Reality is n't a story .
Reality is visceral , omnipresent , and immanent in itself .
When we engage with it directly , all that narrative goes away , and really I think religions should be stripping down to essentials and helping people to face reality as it is.Of course , there are already good , austere schools that serve that end well , with an emphasis on living ethically and developing the mind through meditation and other practices , so as to be as happy , helpful , and fulfilled in life as is possible .
My hope is that such schools will gain precedence over the primitive and superstitious religions that still hang on to the idea that we 're all living in a book with God as a character .
Reality is much deeper and more noble than such a childish outlook allows for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do grown adults in this day and age need to preserve the idea that the words of Genesis are somehow literally true, and that there's a creator God who stood apart from everything and created it as a separate thing?
Why do they need to take everything that we now understand about the Universe and shoehorn it into an ancient tribal conception of the way the world is?I've heard otherwise rational people say, "well, of course Genesis isn't 'literally' true!
For example, one of God's days might actually correspond to 2 billion years!
That would square with the way things are!
" Such people need to be slapped repeatedly with a noodley appendage.The Universe is just the way it is.
Life developed within it over billions of years as a product of natural processes.
It's a continuous and complete thing.
What's the problem with just accepting that we're here, and life has certain requirements, and our job is to live in harmony and fulfill the requirements of life in the most responsible way we can, given our capacities?
Do we need to do everything as a show, or to please some celestial daddy?
Is that really the only reason that we act in the world?To my mind, it is much more breathtaking and invigorating to realize I am a product of and participant in something so infinitely vast and self-sustaining, without need of any kind of intervention whatsoever.Fact is, the point of religion is entirely psychological, and for that it needs to have a certain continuity with the reality we know through our sense and experience, and to a great extent that reality is now determined by scientific discovery.
The Catholic (aka inclusive) church is breaking under the strain of new knowledge, and its psychological framework is increasingly untenable.
They are desperate to preserve the church itself and its central tenets at a time when people are more than ever aware that it's all a load of symbolism.I think it's absolutely foolish the way they're bending over backwards to try to get reality to fit into their storybook conception of things.
Reality isn't a story.
Reality is visceral, omnipresent, and immanent in itself.
When we engage with it directly, all that narrative goes away, and really I think religions should be stripping down to essentials and helping people to face reality as it is.Of course, there are already good, austere schools that serve that end well, with an emphasis on living ethically and developing the mind through meditation and other practices, so as to be as happy, helpful, and fulfilled in life as is possible.
My hope is that such schools will gain precedence over the primitive and superstitious religions that still hang on to the idea that we're all living in a book with God as a character.
Reality is much deeper and more noble than such a childish outlook allows for.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30100808</id>
	<title>Re:Keep It Simple</title>
	<author>GastronomicalEvent</author>
	<datestamp>1258193520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> Can any of us imagine a Holy book being delivered two thousand years ago that babbled about relativity, the Higg"s Boson or multi dimensional universes?</p></div></blockquote><p>

How about if they just said the planet revolves around the giant glowing thing in the sky?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Can any of us imagine a Holy book being delivered two thousand years ago that babbled about relativity , the Higg " s Boson or multi dimensional universes ?
How about if they just said the planet revolves around the giant glowing thing in the sky ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Can any of us imagine a Holy book being delivered two thousand years ago that babbled about relativity, the Higg"s Boson or multi dimensional universes?
How about if they just said the planet revolves around the giant glowing thing in the sky?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30106318</id>
	<title>Re:God created more than the Earth...</title>
	<author>mikechant</author>
	<datestamp>1258306800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Therefore, God created all life everywhere and we can expect that life found off of Earth will be similar in appearance to life as we know it. </i></p><p>I don't really see any reason why even if you accept the "Therefore, God created all life everywhere..." that this should follow: "we can expect that life found off of Earth will be similar in appearance to life as we know it."</p><p>Not logical, Captain. (Wiggles pointy ears).</p><p>It's just as reasonable to posit that God would make each planet unique and/or distinctive. I certainly would if I was a deity. Oh; of course, you might want to have multiple 'copies' of a given planet, each subject to random events, in order to give a representative sample of outcomes - but even so, you would have a 'large' (?infinite) set of distinctive worlds, each with sufficient near-identical copies to give a representative spread of results.</p><p>So to sum up, you could have loads of humanoid life-forms *and* loads of non-humanoid life-forms. It's not either/or.</p><p>Damn, too pissed for this. Stop now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Therefore , God created all life everywhere and we can expect that life found off of Earth will be similar in appearance to life as we know it .
I do n't really see any reason why even if you accept the " Therefore , God created all life everywhere... " that this should follow : " we can expect that life found off of Earth will be similar in appearance to life as we know it .
" Not logical , Captain .
( Wiggles pointy ears ) .It 's just as reasonable to posit that God would make each planet unique and/or distinctive .
I certainly would if I was a deity .
Oh ; of course , you might want to have multiple 'copies ' of a given planet , each subject to random events , in order to give a representative sample of outcomes - but even so , you would have a 'large ' ( ? infinite ) set of distinctive worlds , each with sufficient near-identical copies to give a representative spread of results.So to sum up , you could have loads of humanoid life-forms * and * loads of non-humanoid life-forms .
It 's not either/or.Damn , too pissed for this .
Stop now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Therefore, God created all life everywhere and we can expect that life found off of Earth will be similar in appearance to life as we know it.
I don't really see any reason why even if you accept the "Therefore, God created all life everywhere..." that this should follow: "we can expect that life found off of Earth will be similar in appearance to life as we know it.
"Not logical, Captain.
(Wiggles pointy ears).It's just as reasonable to posit that God would make each planet unique and/or distinctive.
I certainly would if I was a deity.
Oh; of course, you might want to have multiple 'copies' of a given planet, each subject to random events, in order to give a representative sample of outcomes - but even so, you would have a 'large' (?infinite) set of distinctive worlds, each with sufficient near-identical copies to give a representative spread of results.So to sum up, you could have loads of humanoid life-forms *and* loads of non-humanoid life-forms.
It's not either/or.Damn, too pissed for this.
Stop now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097008</id>
	<title>The answer to the dilemma is simple...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258210080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Purge the xenos, for the glory of the Emperor!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Purge the xenos , for the glory of the Emperor !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Purge the xenos, for the glory of the Emperor!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097368</id>
	<title>Re:Is it just me</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1258213020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps more than that - it might be an effort to slightly deceive their worshippers, similar in goal to creationism -&gt; "intelligent design" shift, but sensible, consistent and honest enough (in the scope of what it discusses) that it won't become a source of ridicule.</p><p>And it will accomplish one important thing - it will assure their followers that religion and rationality aren't at odds. Which they do anyway, but need more specific examples in this time and age, when the social structure isn't held together by their church anymore, when church is far, far from the only way to obtain education (factors which WERE <b>extremelly</b> important for the progress of our civilisation...in the past. "Dark ages", contrary to popular intellectual dishonesty, were also times of great progress, and church played large part in that. Educational institutions set up by church gave us many great fathers of science (which were also quite religious by our standards, as required in their time). But it isn't so anymore...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps more than that - it might be an effort to slightly deceive their worshippers , similar in goal to creationism - &gt; " intelligent design " shift , but sensible , consistent and honest enough ( in the scope of what it discusses ) that it wo n't become a source of ridicule.And it will accomplish one important thing - it will assure their followers that religion and rationality are n't at odds .
Which they do anyway , but need more specific examples in this time and age , when the social structure is n't held together by their church anymore , when church is far , far from the only way to obtain education ( factors which WERE extremelly important for the progress of our civilisation...in the past .
" Dark ages " , contrary to popular intellectual dishonesty , were also times of great progress , and church played large part in that .
Educational institutions set up by church gave us many great fathers of science ( which were also quite religious by our standards , as required in their time ) .
But it is n't so anymore... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps more than that - it might be an effort to slightly deceive their worshippers, similar in goal to creationism -&gt; "intelligent design" shift, but sensible, consistent and honest enough (in the scope of what it discusses) that it won't become a source of ridicule.And it will accomplish one important thing - it will assure their followers that religion and rationality aren't at odds.
Which they do anyway, but need more specific examples in this time and age, when the social structure isn't held together by their church anymore, when church is far, far from the only way to obtain education (factors which WERE extremelly important for the progress of our civilisation...in the past.
"Dark ages", contrary to popular intellectual dishonesty, were also times of great progress, and church played large part in that.
Educational institutions set up by church gave us many great fathers of science (which were also quite religious by our standards, as required in their time).
But it isn't so anymore...)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30099158</id>
	<title>Re:The problem with religion</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1258225380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And, of course, most modern religions (and in particular, most modern people pushing it) are out there trying to convince people that if you question their interpretation of the "facts," that you'll burn in hell for eternity.</p></div><p>The religion in question does not claim that. In fact I know of no major religion that claims that.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The church shouldn't even be having this argument. Science points towards an almost certainty of intelligent alien life out there, even if we never meet it face-to-face</p></div><p>RTFA. The Vatican is having a conference on astro-biology. The "debate" is spin added by journalists and Slashdot "editors".</p><p><div class="quote"><p>A biblical reference to God making man in his own image doesn't mean that the god they worship literally looks like we do.</p></div><p>As God has no form, except when incarnate as Jesus, God does not look like anything (except in the limited sense that God incarnate looks like bearded Jewish guy).</p></div>
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<tokenext>And , of course , most modern religions ( and in particular , most modern people pushing it ) are out there trying to convince people that if you question their interpretation of the " facts , " that you 'll burn in hell for eternity.The religion in question does not claim that .
In fact I know of no major religion that claims that.The church should n't even be having this argument .
Science points towards an almost certainty of intelligent alien life out there , even if we never meet it face-to-faceRTFA .
The Vatican is having a conference on astro-biology .
The " debate " is spin added by journalists and Slashdot " editors " .A biblical reference to God making man in his own image does n't mean that the god they worship literally looks like we do.As God has no form , except when incarnate as Jesus , God does not look like anything ( except in the limited sense that God incarnate looks like bearded Jewish guy ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And, of course, most modern religions (and in particular, most modern people pushing it) are out there trying to convince people that if you question their interpretation of the "facts," that you'll burn in hell for eternity.The religion in question does not claim that.
In fact I know of no major religion that claims that.The church shouldn't even be having this argument.
Science points towards an almost certainty of intelligent alien life out there, even if we never meet it face-to-faceRTFA.
The Vatican is having a conference on astro-biology.
The "debate" is spin added by journalists and Slashdot "editors".A biblical reference to God making man in his own image doesn't mean that the god they worship literally looks like we do.As God has no form, except when incarnate as Jesus, God does not look like anything (except in the limited sense that God incarnate looks like bearded Jewish guy).
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	<title>What if...</title>
	<author>conscarcdr</author>
	<datestamp>1258214400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>If those "brother extraterrestrials" turn out to be turban-wrapped sand aliens, shall we "Salaam" them or "Deus vult!" them, Your Holiness?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If those " brother extraterrestrials " turn out to be turban-wrapped sand aliens , shall we " Salaam " them or " Deus vult !
" them , Your Holiness ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If those "brother extraterrestrials" turn out to be turban-wrapped sand aliens, shall we "Salaam" them or "Deus vult!
" them, Your Holiness?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Mormons are covered</title>
	<author>GunpowderTreason</author>
	<datestamp>1258217640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would like to point out that the Mormon religion already takes into account the existence of extra-terrestrial life. They believe that Christ under the direction of God the Father created many worlds and that Christ is the Savior of all of God's worlds and all the inhabitants therein. As to why Christ came to this world it's because it was the only world so wicked that it would crucify it's Savior. While you may disagree with this doctrine it is interesting that the church already has doctrines in place that allow for any eventual discovery of extra-terrestrial life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like to point out that the Mormon religion already takes into account the existence of extra-terrestrial life .
They believe that Christ under the direction of God the Father created many worlds and that Christ is the Savior of all of God 's worlds and all the inhabitants therein .
As to why Christ came to this world it 's because it was the only world so wicked that it would crucify it 's Savior .
While you may disagree with this doctrine it is interesting that the church already has doctrines in place that allow for any eventual discovery of extra-terrestrial life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like to point out that the Mormon religion already takes into account the existence of extra-terrestrial life.
They believe that Christ under the direction of God the Father created many worlds and that Christ is the Savior of all of God's worlds and all the inhabitants therein.
As to why Christ came to this world it's because it was the only world so wicked that it would crucify it's Savior.
While you may disagree with this doctrine it is interesting that the church already has doctrines in place that allow for any eventual discovery of extra-terrestrial life.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096836</id>
	<title>Probably not what you think</title>
	<author>swamp boy</author>
	<datestamp>1258208400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Normal folks think of aliens as being extraterrestrial.  In this case, it's probably a study of non-Catholics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Normal folks think of aliens as being extraterrestrial .
In this case , it 's probably a study of non-Catholics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Normal folks think of aliens as being extraterrestrial.
In this case, it's probably a study of non-Catholics.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097020</id>
	<title>Two words: Giordano Bruno</title>
	<author>Shag</author>
	<datestamp>1258210140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's been 425 years since Bruno argued in <a href="http://bepi1949.altervista.org/infinito/index.htm" title="altervista.org">De l'Infinito, Universo e Mondi</a> [altervista.org] (Italian; use Google translate) that the universe was infinite and contained innumerable stars, with countless planets around them, some containing life.</p><p>He was pretty far ahead of his time... far enough ahead that in 1600 the Church had him burned at the stake.  Good to see they're getting round to considering his ideas, albeit a little bit belatedly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been 425 years since Bruno argued in De l'Infinito , Universo e Mondi [ altervista.org ] ( Italian ; use Google translate ) that the universe was infinite and contained innumerable stars , with countless planets around them , some containing life.He was pretty far ahead of his time... far enough ahead that in 1600 the Church had him burned at the stake .
Good to see they 're getting round to considering his ideas , albeit a little bit belatedly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's been 425 years since Bruno argued in De l'Infinito, Universo e Mondi [altervista.org] (Italian; use Google translate) that the universe was infinite and contained innumerable stars, with countless planets around them, some containing life.He was pretty far ahead of his time... far enough ahead that in 1600 the Church had him burned at the stake.
Good to see they're getting round to considering his ideas, albeit a little bit belatedly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097066</id>
	<title>Re:Wow...</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1258210560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The pope needs to get kicked in the balls, hard.</p></div></blockquote><p>Be careful, you might break an altar boy's coccyx.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The pope needs to get kicked in the balls , hard.Be careful , you might break an altar boy 's coccyx .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The pope needs to get kicked in the balls, hard.Be careful, you might break an altar boy's coccyx.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096856</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097558</id>
	<title>Of Course There Is Other Intelligent Life ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258214520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're called "angels" -- Cherubim, Seraphim, and the like.</p><p>At least some of them appear to have non-physical bodies, and some seem to have bodies that morph between the physical and non-physical at will. It's also unclear if they live on this planet, perhaps in a different dimension, or "out there". It's also somewhat unclear what their relationship is with the Creator and/or Redeemer.</p><p>What is clear (from a straight-forward reading of the Bible, that is) is that they are created beings, like humans, maybe even kin enough to copulate with humans and produce recognizably human, albeit "god-like", offspring, but that they are distinct from humankind. Some seem to be friendly toward humankind; some appear bent on the destruction of humankind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're called " angels " -- Cherubim , Seraphim , and the like.At least some of them appear to have non-physical bodies , and some seem to have bodies that morph between the physical and non-physical at will .
It 's also unclear if they live on this planet , perhaps in a different dimension , or " out there " .
It 's also somewhat unclear what their relationship is with the Creator and/or Redeemer.What is clear ( from a straight-forward reading of the Bible , that is ) is that they are created beings , like humans , maybe even kin enough to copulate with humans and produce recognizably human , albeit " god-like " , offspring , but that they are distinct from humankind .
Some seem to be friendly toward humankind ; some appear bent on the destruction of humankind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're called "angels" -- Cherubim, Seraphim, and the like.At least some of them appear to have non-physical bodies, and some seem to have bodies that morph between the physical and non-physical at will.
It's also unclear if they live on this planet, perhaps in a different dimension, or "out there".
It's also somewhat unclear what their relationship is with the Creator and/or Redeemer.What is clear (from a straight-forward reading of the Bible, that is) is that they are created beings, like humans, maybe even kin enough to copulate with humans and produce recognizably human, albeit "god-like", offspring, but that they are distinct from humankind.
Some seem to be friendly toward humankind; some appear bent on the destruction of humankind.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097742</id>
	<title>Re:Two words: Giordano Bruno</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258216260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>His thoughts about aliens had nothing to do with his troubles with the Church.  Denying that Christ was God (and other heresies) were the issues that mattered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>His thoughts about aliens had nothing to do with his troubles with the Church .
Denying that Christ was God ( and other heresies ) were the issues that mattered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>His thoughts about aliens had nothing to do with his troubles with the Church.
Denying that Christ was God (and other heresies) were the issues that mattered.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097020</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097042</id>
	<title>Thank you posters..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258210380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>

For your sensitivity to my religion.  Please know how much your respect is appreciated.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For your sensitivity to my religion .
Please know how much your respect is appreciated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

For your sensitivity to my religion.
Please know how much your respect is appreciated.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30109954</id>
	<title>Apartheid in Heaven ?</title>
	<author>Brice21</author>
	<datestamp>1258287360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was wondering of in Heaven human would be mixed with various species of aliens, or if there is an heaven per planet ? Or per alien race ? Or are we in distinct areas of one big heaven ? Just curious, can any believer let me know the details, I want to know what to expect. Thanks a lot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was wondering of in Heaven human would be mixed with various species of aliens , or if there is an heaven per planet ?
Or per alien race ?
Or are we in distinct areas of one big heaven ?
Just curious , can any believer let me know the details , I want to know what to expect .
Thanks a lot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was wondering of in Heaven human would be mixed with various species of aliens, or if there is an heaven per planet ?
Or per alien race ?
Or are we in distinct areas of one big heaven ?
Just curious, can any believer let me know the details, I want to know what to expect.
Thanks a lot.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097950</id>
	<title>here we go again</title>
	<author>MrKaos</author>
	<datestamp>1258218120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fundamental *ists with their *isms all tell us the path to salvation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fundamental * ists with their * isms all tell us the path to salvation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fundamental *ists with their *isms all tell us the path to salvation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30103944</id>
	<title>Vatican looks into alien life</title>
	<author>ps2os2</author>
	<datestamp>1258222080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well the vatican is looking into possibility of alien life. The batting average of the the Vatican is 0 for 1000's. They have been wrong on every possible astronomical observation for at least the last 500+ years. Why should we even care about this? The late Carl Sagan has vastly more competent in this than the Vatican (who I think still thinks the Earth is flat).</p><p>This idea has little   or nothing to do with religion other it would make people with closed minds think that it may be possible. Rather than saying if the Pope doesn't think they exist why should I? In this day and age people (or at least average mentality) should be thinking for themselves rather than having some outdated religion thinking for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well the vatican is looking into possibility of alien life .
The batting average of the the Vatican is 0 for 1000 's .
They have been wrong on every possible astronomical observation for at least the last 500 + years .
Why should we even care about this ?
The late Carl Sagan has vastly more competent in this than the Vatican ( who I think still thinks the Earth is flat ) .This idea has little or nothing to do with religion other it would make people with closed minds think that it may be possible .
Rather than saying if the Pope does n't think they exist why should I ?
In this day and age people ( or at least average mentality ) should be thinking for themselves rather than having some outdated religion thinking for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well the vatican is looking into possibility of alien life.
The batting average of the the Vatican is 0 for 1000's.
They have been wrong on every possible astronomical observation for at least the last 500+ years.
Why should we even care about this?
The late Carl Sagan has vastly more competent in this than the Vatican (who I think still thinks the Earth is flat).This idea has little   or nothing to do with religion other it would make people with closed minds think that it may be possible.
Rather than saying if the Pope doesn't think they exist why should I?
In this day and age people (or at least average mentality) should be thinking for themselves rather than having some outdated religion thinking for them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097890</id>
	<title>Ugh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258217580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'Just as a multiplicity of creatures exists on Earth, so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God,' says Father Jose Funes.</p><p>Basically the Vatican is setting us up for interstellar war before such a thing is even possible.  It's going to be hard to convince those in the mothership that we're actually God's chosen creatures and they should be our pets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Just as a multiplicity of creatures exists on Earth , so there could be other beings , also intelligent , created by God, ' says Father Jose Funes.Basically the Vatican is setting us up for interstellar war before such a thing is even possible .
It 's going to be hard to convince those in the mothership that we 're actually God 's chosen creatures and they should be our pets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Just as a multiplicity of creatures exists on Earth, so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God,' says Father Jose Funes.Basically the Vatican is setting us up for interstellar war before such a thing is even possible.
It's going to be hard to convince those in the mothership that we're actually God's chosen creatures and they should be our pets.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098004</id>
	<title>Aslan from the Chronicles of Narnia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258218720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sort of debate reminds me of the stories of C.S. Lewis about Aslan from the Chronicles of Narnia. Remember, in The Last Battle that Aslan transformed into something else and thruout the stories Aslan was mentioned to have another name (the implication being Jesus) in our world. Anything is possible for an omnipotent nearly omniscient being I suppose (if there is one)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sort of debate reminds me of the stories of C.S .
Lewis about Aslan from the Chronicles of Narnia .
Remember , in The Last Battle that Aslan transformed into something else and thruout the stories Aslan was mentioned to have another name ( the implication being Jesus ) in our world .
Anything is possible for an omnipotent nearly omniscient being I suppose ( if there is one )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sort of debate reminds me of the stories of C.S.
Lewis about Aslan from the Chronicles of Narnia.
Remember, in The Last Battle that Aslan transformed into something else and thruout the stories Aslan was mentioned to have another name (the implication being Jesus) in our world.
Anything is possible for an omnipotent nearly omniscient being I suppose (if there is one)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098480</id>
	<title>So</title>
	<author>SlippyToad</author>
	<datestamp>1258221420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What would the Catholic Church's opinion matter on this topic?</p><p>I'm struggling with this because they represent a segment of our society that is steadfastly incurious and resistant to new ideas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What would the Catholic Church 's opinion matter on this topic ? I 'm struggling with this because they represent a segment of our society that is steadfastly incurious and resistant to new ideas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What would the Catholic Church's opinion matter on this topic?I'm struggling with this because they represent a segment of our society that is steadfastly incurious and resistant to new ideas.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30099218</id>
	<title>Priorities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258225740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meanwhile, catholics in poor countries get poorer as they families grow out of control, or die of avoidable STDs, because the Church has made them fear and reject condoms.</p><p>Meanwhile, catholic women continue to be threated as 2nd or 3rd class citizens.</p><p>Meanwhile, catholic divorcees continue living as pariahs in their own communities.</p><p>Meanwhile, child abuse by catholic priests continues to be hidden, denied, and even "rewarded" with promotions to safer places.</p><p>Meanwhile... well, you get the idea.</p><p>But it is good to know that when the aliens arrive, we'll know exactly how to initiate evangelization efforts.</p><p>Ladies and gentlemen, the Catholic Church: always on top of what really matters!</p><p>-- a semi-bitter former catholic</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meanwhile , catholics in poor countries get poorer as they families grow out of control , or die of avoidable STDs , because the Church has made them fear and reject condoms.Meanwhile , catholic women continue to be threated as 2nd or 3rd class citizens.Meanwhile , catholic divorcees continue living as pariahs in their own communities.Meanwhile , child abuse by catholic priests continues to be hidden , denied , and even " rewarded " with promotions to safer places.Meanwhile... well , you get the idea.But it is good to know that when the aliens arrive , we 'll know exactly how to initiate evangelization efforts.Ladies and gentlemen , the Catholic Church : always on top of what really matters ! -- a semi-bitter former catholic</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meanwhile, catholics in poor countries get poorer as they families grow out of control, or die of avoidable STDs, because the Church has made them fear and reject condoms.Meanwhile, catholic women continue to be threated as 2nd or 3rd class citizens.Meanwhile, catholic divorcees continue living as pariahs in their own communities.Meanwhile, child abuse by catholic priests continues to be hidden, denied, and even "rewarded" with promotions to safer places.Meanwhile... well, you get the idea.But it is good to know that when the aliens arrive, we'll know exactly how to initiate evangelization efforts.Ladies and gentlemen, the Catholic Church: always on top of what really matters!-- a semi-bitter former catholic</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30100226</id>
	<title>Re:Is it just me</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1258232340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>or is this just a "cover our own backs" maneuver to avoid what happened with Galileo, Copernicus and others? Those cases weren't exactly the best publicity they've had.</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>That and the problems with the Gelgamek Catholics.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>or is this just a " cover our own backs " maneuver to avoid what happened with Galileo , Copernicus and others ?
Those cases were n't exactly the best publicity they 've had .
That and the problems with the Gelgamek Catholics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> or is this just a "cover our own backs" maneuver to avoid what happened with Galileo, Copernicus and others?
Those cases weren't exactly the best publicity they've had.
That and the problems with the Gelgamek Catholics.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096830</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097236</id>
	<title>this means war</title>
	<author>kwikrick</author>
	<datestamp>1258212060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course, the aliens will have their own god, who is, like our god, the only god in the universe, but not the same god. This paradox can only be solved in one way: good old-fashioned interstellar war.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , the aliens will have their own god , who is , like our god , the only god in the universe , but not the same god .
This paradox can only be solved in one way : good old-fashioned interstellar war .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, the aliens will have their own god, who is, like our god, the only god in the universe, but not the same god.
This paradox can only be solved in one way: good old-fashioned interstellar war.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30103510</id>
	<title>Re:Third group</title>
	<author>daniel.b.douglas</author>
	<datestamp>1258217820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Out of the Silent Planet, by C. S. Lewis, is a sci-fi book partially based on this premise.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Out of the Silent Planet , by C. S. Lewis , is a sci-fi book partially based on this premise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Out of the Silent Planet, by C. S. Lewis, is a sci-fi book partially based on this premise.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097016</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097628</id>
	<title>How is this "humor"?</title>
	<author>chrisl456</author>
	<datestamp>1258215180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe it's because I was raised Catholic, but I can't see how the question of what happens to religion if/when we discover intelligent alien life to be that funny... darn interesting maybe... but funny? Surely there's some good scifi out there about this very issue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it 's because I was raised Catholic , but I ca n't see how the question of what happens to religion if/when we discover intelligent alien life to be that funny... darn interesting maybe... but funny ?
Surely there 's some good scifi out there about this very issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's because I was raised Catholic, but I can't see how the question of what happens to religion if/when we discover intelligent alien life to be that funny... darn interesting maybe... but funny?
Surely there's some good scifi out there about this very issue.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098018</id>
	<title>Re:Is it just me</title>
	<author>IrquiM</author>
	<datestamp>1258218840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not saying that either, I'm just saying that the church has discovered that the sciences could be right, and they want to have their backs covered so that they don't have to (again) retract statements made, in the future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not saying that either , I 'm just saying that the church has discovered that the sciences could be right , and they want to have their backs covered so that they do n't have to ( again ) retract statements made , in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not saying that either, I'm just saying that the church has discovered that the sciences could be right, and they want to have their backs covered so that they don't have to (again) retract statements made, in the future.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096926</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097016</id>
	<title>Third group</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1258210140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If you look back at the history of Christian debate on this, it divides into two camps. There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens, and those who believe in multiple incarnations</i></p><p>What about the possibility that alien species have not Fallen or suffered from Original Sin?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you look back at the history of Christian debate on this , it divides into two camps .
There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens , and those who believe in multiple incarnationsWhat about the possibility that alien species have not Fallen or suffered from Original Sin ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you look back at the history of Christian debate on this, it divides into two camps.
There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens, and those who believe in multiple incarnationsWhat about the possibility that alien species have not Fallen or suffered from Original Sin?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097712</id>
	<title>Re:The problem with religion</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1258215960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You seem to paint it like enlightened religious people are perfectly OK? Consider the amount of waste of concious thought that goes even only into their rationalisations. Or that they give fundamentalists more power, by essentially agreing with them in arguably the most important thing in life (how do I got there? What should I do? What awaits me in the future?), by nurturing the same basic ideas.</p><p>As for aliens, their potential religion and what we might do about it...well, integration wasn't exactly what we were doing throughout history (at least not officially; sure, Christanity is essentially Pagan customs + changed underlying mythology, but the shift was quite unpleasant to many people; also, religions seem to be that adaptive only when they aren't firmly established).</p><p>But more importantly - you rally can't assume they will have any religion, at least not in the form that we would recognise as such.</p><p>For example our religions originate, obviously, from what we are: smart, fragile, singular intelligences hugely dependant on interactions with other individuals and with powerfull surroundings. A form of worship that strenghtens bonds, recognises the overhelming power of nature and attempts to tame it is quite natural in those circumstances.</p><p>But consider, say, a collective mind. Perhaps in a form which essentially means that everything it is aware of is also <i>a part</i> of its functioning. With the external nature being simply what is totally unknown to it, something which must <b>and can</b> (with effort) be tamed for proper functioning of such intelligence. It's not far fetched to imagine that in such circumstances you would get, translated to our terms, "I am good god, everything else is evil"</p><p>As a matter of fact...our technical civilisation, when looked as a whole, seems to go towards this approach. Perhaps it's part of why religions get weaker and weaker. But we don't seem to call this "new aproach" a religion, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You seem to paint it like enlightened religious people are perfectly OK ?
Consider the amount of waste of concious thought that goes even only into their rationalisations .
Or that they give fundamentalists more power , by essentially agreing with them in arguably the most important thing in life ( how do I got there ?
What should I do ?
What awaits me in the future ?
) , by nurturing the same basic ideas.As for aliens , their potential religion and what we might do about it...well , integration was n't exactly what we were doing throughout history ( at least not officially ; sure , Christanity is essentially Pagan customs + changed underlying mythology , but the shift was quite unpleasant to many people ; also , religions seem to be that adaptive only when they are n't firmly established ) .But more importantly - you rally ca n't assume they will have any religion , at least not in the form that we would recognise as such.For example our religions originate , obviously , from what we are : smart , fragile , singular intelligences hugely dependant on interactions with other individuals and with powerfull surroundings .
A form of worship that strenghtens bonds , recognises the overhelming power of nature and attempts to tame it is quite natural in those circumstances.But consider , say , a collective mind .
Perhaps in a form which essentially means that everything it is aware of is also a part of its functioning .
With the external nature being simply what is totally unknown to it , something which must and can ( with effort ) be tamed for proper functioning of such intelligence .
It 's not far fetched to imagine that in such circumstances you would get , translated to our terms , " I am good god , everything else is evil " As a matter of fact...our technical civilisation , when looked as a whole , seems to go towards this approach .
Perhaps it 's part of why religions get weaker and weaker .
But we do n't seem to call this " new aproach " a religion , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You seem to paint it like enlightened religious people are perfectly OK?
Consider the amount of waste of concious thought that goes even only into their rationalisations.
Or that they give fundamentalists more power, by essentially agreing with them in arguably the most important thing in life (how do I got there?
What should I do?
What awaits me in the future?
), by nurturing the same basic ideas.As for aliens, their potential religion and what we might do about it...well, integration wasn't exactly what we were doing throughout history (at least not officially; sure, Christanity is essentially Pagan customs + changed underlying mythology, but the shift was quite unpleasant to many people; also, religions seem to be that adaptive only when they aren't firmly established).But more importantly - you rally can't assume they will have any religion, at least not in the form that we would recognise as such.For example our religions originate, obviously, from what we are: smart, fragile, singular intelligences hugely dependant on interactions with other individuals and with powerfull surroundings.
A form of worship that strenghtens bonds, recognises the overhelming power of nature and attempts to tame it is quite natural in those circumstances.But consider, say, a collective mind.
Perhaps in a form which essentially means that everything it is aware of is also a part of its functioning.
With the external nature being simply what is totally unknown to it, something which must and can (with effort) be tamed for proper functioning of such intelligence.
It's not far fetched to imagine that in such circumstances you would get, translated to our terms, "I am good god, everything else is evil"As a matter of fact...our technical civilisation, when looked as a whole, seems to go towards this approach.
Perhaps it's part of why religions get weaker and weaker.
But we don't seem to call this "new aproach" a religion, right?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30100098</id>
	<title>Re:No need for extraterrestrials</title>
	<author>mog007</author>
	<datestamp>1258231500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Dolphins are no where near as intelligent as humans.  The second smartest animals on earth would be both species of chimp.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dolphins are no where near as intelligent as humans .
The second smartest animals on earth would be both species of chimp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dolphins are no where near as intelligent as humans.
The second smartest animals on earth would be both species of chimp.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096994</id>
	<title>No need for extraterrestrials</title>
	<author>gestalt\_n\_pepper</author>
	<datestamp>1258209900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Catholics should start with dolphins, who are arguably as intelligent as humans, but not tool users, and alien in their thought processes and communications mode. Frankly chimps are close enough to at least spark a debate.</p><p>And what of lawyers and politicians? Do they *have* souls? Is it possible?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Catholics should start with dolphins , who are arguably as intelligent as humans , but not tool users , and alien in their thought processes and communications mode .
Frankly chimps are close enough to at least spark a debate.And what of lawyers and politicians ?
Do they * have * souls ?
Is it possible ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Catholics should start with dolphins, who are arguably as intelligent as humans, but not tool users, and alien in their thought processes and communications mode.
Frankly chimps are close enough to at least spark a debate.And what of lawyers and politicians?
Do they *have* souls?
Is it possible?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30099142</id>
	<title>If you understand where god came from then....</title>
	<author>3seas</author>
	<datestamp>1258225260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>all is well...</p><p>From less than nothing at all there became an awareness of this and at that splitting  instance consciousness and existence came to be. Both of which either exist or they don't, no in between. But what exist in consciousness and what exist in existence are variables/changing. Now if you are all that is, how do you know you will continue being? Expansion of what exist in both existence and consciousness and at some point in creation, to create life in order to experience more and to create more. Experience more as from within seeing things in part, not whole and likewise creating things with limited knowledge. When you die you go back to the whole to file your report as you are again made aware of the whole and eventually re-enter a part for additional recording to later report. But still, without existence, there can be no consciousness or place to know existence and what it contains. So the purpose of your life and the lives of other creatures and higher intelligent life is the same as it is for what some call god. SURVIVAL and as such we are all given the religion of "Survival" built-in.<br>There is not one religion that will counter this, as a house fighting against its foundation, will fall.<br>So what do you do, what is your purpose? To help provide insurance for survival....<br>Different forms of life have different perception and abilities and as such its a direction of helping to insure survival.<br>So where is the problem with so called alien life?<br>In the big picture, aliens don't really exist, only being different for survival insurance.<br>Intelligence and ability to contribute to expansion is graded on how well a life form understands self destruction is anti-expansion and not helpful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>all is well...From less than nothing at all there became an awareness of this and at that splitting instance consciousness and existence came to be .
Both of which either exist or they do n't , no in between .
But what exist in consciousness and what exist in existence are variables/changing .
Now if you are all that is , how do you know you will continue being ?
Expansion of what exist in both existence and consciousness and at some point in creation , to create life in order to experience more and to create more .
Experience more as from within seeing things in part , not whole and likewise creating things with limited knowledge .
When you die you go back to the whole to file your report as you are again made aware of the whole and eventually re-enter a part for additional recording to later report .
But still , without existence , there can be no consciousness or place to know existence and what it contains .
So the purpose of your life and the lives of other creatures and higher intelligent life is the same as it is for what some call god .
SURVIVAL and as such we are all given the religion of " Survival " built-in.There is not one religion that will counter this , as a house fighting against its foundation , will fall.So what do you do , what is your purpose ?
To help provide insurance for survival....Different forms of life have different perception and abilities and as such its a direction of helping to insure survival.So where is the problem with so called alien life ? In the big picture , aliens do n't really exist , only being different for survival insurance.Intelligence and ability to contribute to expansion is graded on how well a life form understands self destruction is anti-expansion and not helpful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>all is well...From less than nothing at all there became an awareness of this and at that splitting  instance consciousness and existence came to be.
Both of which either exist or they don't, no in between.
But what exist in consciousness and what exist in existence are variables/changing.
Now if you are all that is, how do you know you will continue being?
Expansion of what exist in both existence and consciousness and at some point in creation, to create life in order to experience more and to create more.
Experience more as from within seeing things in part, not whole and likewise creating things with limited knowledge.
When you die you go back to the whole to file your report as you are again made aware of the whole and eventually re-enter a part for additional recording to later report.
But still, without existence, there can be no consciousness or place to know existence and what it contains.
So the purpose of your life and the lives of other creatures and higher intelligent life is the same as it is for what some call god.
SURVIVAL and as such we are all given the religion of "Survival" built-in.There is not one religion that will counter this, as a house fighting against its foundation, will fall.So what do you do, what is your purpose?
To help provide insurance for survival....Different forms of life have different perception and abilities and as such its a direction of helping to insure survival.So where is the problem with so called alien life?In the big picture, aliens don't really exist, only being different for survival insurance.Intelligence and ability to contribute to expansion is graded on how well a life form understands self destruction is anti-expansion and not helpful.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30100128</id>
	<title>Re:He got burned for more than that.</title>
	<author>mog007</author>
	<datestamp>1258231680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Nazis were neither secular nor godless.  Communists are typically godless, but not secular.  Also, I think you mean the 20th century.  There weren't any communist states until the beginning of the 20th century, and the Nazi party didn't exist until around the end of the first world war.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nazis were neither secular nor godless .
Communists are typically godless , but not secular .
Also , I think you mean the 20th century .
There were n't any communist states until the beginning of the 20th century , and the Nazi party did n't exist until around the end of the first world war .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nazis were neither secular nor godless.
Communists are typically godless, but not secular.
Also, I think you mean the 20th century.
There weren't any communist states until the beginning of the 20th century, and the Nazi party didn't exist until around the end of the first world war.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096820</id>
	<title>Of course, there is another solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258208160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>The hypothesis that no deity of any kind exists solves the problem in an unbeatably elegant fashion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The hypothesis that no deity of any kind exists solves the problem in an unbeatably elegant fashion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The hypothesis that no deity of any kind exists solves the problem in an unbeatably elegant fashion.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097964</id>
	<title>Re:The alien god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258218240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well no one has seen your brains, does that mean you have none? Heck 95\% of the universe hasn't been seen, so what it doesn't exist either?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well no one has seen your brains , does that mean you have none ?
Heck 95 \ % of the universe has n't been seen , so what it does n't exist either ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well no one has seen your brains, does that mean you have none?
Heck 95\% of the universe hasn't been seen, so what it doesn't exist either?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098540</id>
	<title>Re:So the bullshitters change their story.</title>
	<author>quadelirus</author>
	<datestamp>1258221780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>From Wikipedia:
<br> <br>
Church membership in 2007 was 1.147 billion people,[207] increasing from the 1950 figure of 437 million[208] and the 1970 figure of 654 million.[209]
<br> <br>
Definitely leaving in droves.
<br> <br>
And hey, I'm not Roman Catholic, but get your facts straight.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From Wikipedia : Church membership in 2007 was 1.147 billion people , [ 207 ] increasing from the 1950 figure of 437 million [ 208 ] and the 1970 figure of 654 million .
[ 209 ] Definitely leaving in droves .
And hey , I 'm not Roman Catholic , but get your facts straight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From Wikipedia:
 
Church membership in 2007 was 1.147 billion people,[207] increasing from the 1950 figure of 437 million[208] and the 1970 figure of 654 million.
[209]
 
Definitely leaving in droves.
And hey, I'm not Roman Catholic, but get your facts straight.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098078</id>
	<title>Re:Is it just me</title>
	<author>MtViewGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1258219320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think people forget that at the time of Galileo, the Church <i>was</i> preparing to tell people that the Earth orbited the Sun (mostly because scientific calculations showed that it was easier to calculate the movements of Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn in the night sky by showing the Earth orbiting the Sun) but Galileo "jumped the gun" in espousing the heliocentric view of the universe, which didn't go down well with Church authorities.</p><p>Today, with modern astronomical instruments on the ground and in space, the finding of planets orbiting nearby stars show means everyone must "adjust" to the view that we are not alone in the universe. In fact, it would not surprise me at all that lifeforms on rocky crust planets orbiting stars that are within 100 light years of our Sun at least evolved to fairly advanced animal lifeforms--whether it is human-level intelligence is open to debate, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think people forget that at the time of Galileo , the Church was preparing to tell people that the Earth orbited the Sun ( mostly because scientific calculations showed that it was easier to calculate the movements of Mercury , Venus , Mars , Jupiter and Saturn in the night sky by showing the Earth orbiting the Sun ) but Galileo " jumped the gun " in espousing the heliocentric view of the universe , which did n't go down well with Church authorities.Today , with modern astronomical instruments on the ground and in space , the finding of planets orbiting nearby stars show means everyone must " adjust " to the view that we are not alone in the universe .
In fact , it would not surprise me at all that lifeforms on rocky crust planets orbiting stars that are within 100 light years of our Sun at least evolved to fairly advanced animal lifeforms--whether it is human-level intelligence is open to debate , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think people forget that at the time of Galileo, the Church was preparing to tell people that the Earth orbited the Sun (mostly because scientific calculations showed that it was easier to calculate the movements of Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn in the night sky by showing the Earth orbiting the Sun) but Galileo "jumped the gun" in espousing the heliocentric view of the universe, which didn't go down well with Church authorities.Today, with modern astronomical instruments on the ground and in space, the finding of planets orbiting nearby stars show means everyone must "adjust" to the view that we are not alone in the universe.
In fact, it would not surprise me at all that lifeforms on rocky crust planets orbiting stars that are within 100 light years of our Sun at least evolved to fairly advanced animal lifeforms--whether it is human-level intelligence is open to debate, though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30099374</id>
	<title>Re:The problem with religion</title>
	<author>SirYakksALot</author>
	<datestamp>1258226760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>"Meld them together," like we always do?  Doesn't that usually involve one side enslaving or exterminating the other side?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Meld them together , " like we always do ?
Does n't that usually involve one side enslaving or exterminating the other side ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Meld them together," like we always do?
Doesn't that usually involve one side enslaving or exterminating the other side?
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30099790</id>
	<title>stargate is the real deal and we can say more as a</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258229280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>stargate is the real deal and we can say more as aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>stargate is the real deal and we can say more as aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa</tokentext>
<sentencetext>stargate is the real deal and we can say more as aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097978</id>
	<title>Re:The problem with religion</title>
	<author>J\_Omega</author>
	<datestamp>1258218480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A biblical reference to the "four corners of the earth" doesn't mean that the earth literally has four corners (i.e. it's flat).  A biblical reference to God making man in his own image doesn't mean that the god they worship literally looks like we do.</p></div><p>

Generally, yes it does - see the previous issues with Gaileo, Darwin, etc.  Literal interpretation is THE biggest issue for religious thought.  When you start to question "holy" scripture (7 days, four corners, Adam/Eve in god's image, flood, etc.,) you open the possibility that the OTHER stuff might also not be literal.  <br> <br>
Well, what stuff is that and who gets to decide?  Perhaps "son of god" and "saviour of all mankind" isn't literal anymore.  Nor is "god's kindom" or "hell" or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... <br> <br>
(which I'm fine with.  I think it all to be spiritual snake-oil.)</p></div>
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<tokenext>A biblical reference to the " four corners of the earth " does n't mean that the earth literally has four corners ( i.e .
it 's flat ) .
A biblical reference to God making man in his own image does n't mean that the god they worship literally looks like we do .
Generally , yes it does - see the previous issues with Gaileo , Darwin , etc .
Literal interpretation is THE biggest issue for religious thought .
When you start to question " holy " scripture ( 7 days , four corners , Adam/Eve in god 's image , flood , etc. , ) you open the possibility that the OTHER stuff might also not be literal .
Well , what stuff is that and who gets to decide ?
Perhaps " son of god " and " saviour of all mankind " is n't literal anymore .
Nor is " god 's kindom " or " hell " or .. . ( which I 'm fine with .
I think it all to be spiritual snake-oil .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A biblical reference to the "four corners of the earth" doesn't mean that the earth literally has four corners (i.e.
it's flat).
A biblical reference to God making man in his own image doesn't mean that the god they worship literally looks like we do.
Generally, yes it does - see the previous issues with Gaileo, Darwin, etc.
Literal interpretation is THE biggest issue for religious thought.
When you start to question "holy" scripture (7 days, four corners, Adam/Eve in god's image, flood, etc.,) you open the possibility that the OTHER stuff might also not be literal.
Well, what stuff is that and who gets to decide?
Perhaps "son of god" and "saviour of all mankind" isn't literal anymore.
Nor is "god's kindom" or "hell" or ...  
(which I'm fine with.
I think it all to be spiritual snake-oil.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097040</id>
	<title>Redefinitions</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1258210320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>If they tought that God were almighty and everywhere, they could still think that, just put up several orders of magnitude how much powerful must be. And, of course, stop thinking on it as an human form.<br><br>Or go to Clarke's law for religion, any sufficiently powerful entity is indistinguishable from God and redefine that we had just one, not "the" god in universal scale.<br><br>Or just think.<br><br>Religion is a good tool, but dont have to be the truth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they tought that God were almighty and everywhere , they could still think that , just put up several orders of magnitude how much powerful must be .
And , of course , stop thinking on it as an human form.Or go to Clarke 's law for religion , any sufficiently powerful entity is indistinguishable from God and redefine that we had just one , not " the " god in universal scale.Or just think.Religion is a good tool , but dont have to be the truth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they tought that God were almighty and everywhere, they could still think that, just put up several orders of magnitude how much powerful must be.
And, of course, stop thinking on it as an human form.Or go to Clarke's law for religion, any sufficiently powerful entity is indistinguishable from God and redefine that we had just one, not "the" god in universal scale.Or just think.Religion is a good tool, but dont have to be the truth.</sentencetext>
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	<title>History</title>
	<author>mevets</author>
	<datestamp>1258211580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you look at history, the real debate will be what sorts of side dishes to serve with them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you look at history , the real debate will be what sorts of side dishes to serve with them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you look at history, the real debate will be what sorts of side dishes to serve with them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097690</id>
	<title>Let's GO INTO SPACE.</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1258215780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>For the love of God, NASA's little 15 billion dollars a year has kept some of the best and brightest minds engaged, added immeasurably to the American reputation around the globe.  Let's GO and get these guys the funding that they have earned.  Let's bring back JIMO, let's get nuclear propulsion programs working. Lets get Constellation rolling and get people to asteroids, to Mars, and to space. Let's do ALL of it.</p><p>If we have the Feds printing currency, we may as well spend it on something humanity can remember for a thousand years to come.  Let history say, Americans lead the way into space.</p><p>LET'S GO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the love of God , NASA 's little 15 billion dollars a year has kept some of the best and brightest minds engaged , added immeasurably to the American reputation around the globe .
Let 's GO and get these guys the funding that they have earned .
Let 's bring back JIMO , let 's get nuclear propulsion programs working .
Lets get Constellation rolling and get people to asteroids , to Mars , and to space .
Let 's do ALL of it.If we have the Feds printing currency , we may as well spend it on something humanity can remember for a thousand years to come .
Let history say , Americans lead the way into space.LET 'S GO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the love of God, NASA's little 15 billion dollars a year has kept some of the best and brightest minds engaged, added immeasurably to the American reputation around the globe.
Let's GO and get these guys the funding that they have earned.
Let's bring back JIMO, let's get nuclear propulsion programs working.
Lets get Constellation rolling and get people to asteroids, to Mars, and to space.
Let's do ALL of it.If we have the Feds printing currency, we may as well spend it on something humanity can remember for a thousand years to come.
Let history say, Americans lead the way into space.LET'S GO.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097180</id>
	<title>Keep It Simple</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1258211460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>       The Catholics need not confront alien life issues at all. The idea that God's truth had to be delivered to the population of this world in such a way that they could understand and make use of it is sufficient. Can any of us imagine a Holy book being delivered two thousand years ago that babbled about relativity, the Higg"s Boson or multi dimensional universes?<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; We can trust that the message has been delivered to others in a format that they can both understand and make use of.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Catholics need not confront alien life issues at all .
The idea that God 's truth had to be delivered to the population of this world in such a way that they could understand and make use of it is sufficient .
Can any of us imagine a Holy book being delivered two thousand years ago that babbled about relativity , the Higg " s Boson or multi dimensional universes ?
              We can trust that the message has been delivered to others in a format that they can both understand and make use of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>       The Catholics need not confront alien life issues at all.
The idea that God's truth had to be delivered to the population of this world in such a way that they could understand and make use of it is sufficient.
Can any of us imagine a Holy book being delivered two thousand years ago that babbled about relativity, the Higg"s Boson or multi dimensional universes?
              We can trust that the message has been delivered to others in a format that they can both understand and make use of.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097194</id>
	<title>Jos&#233; Gabriel Funes, "Osservatore Romano" said</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258211640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am Italian and I can clearly remember some exponent of a Vatican "newspaper" (Jos&#233; Gabriel Funes, Osservatore Romano) officially stating that the existence of extraterrestrials does not go against God/Religion, even if there are no proofs of alien's existence. As if he was plenty of proofs about God's existence...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am Italian and I can clearly remember some exponent of a Vatican " newspaper " ( Jos   Gabriel Funes , Osservatore Romano ) officially stating that the existence of extraterrestrials does not go against God/Religion , even if there are no proofs of alien 's existence .
As if he was plenty of proofs about God 's existence.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am Italian and I can clearly remember some exponent of a Vatican "newspaper" (José Gabriel Funes, Osservatore Romano) officially stating that the existence of extraterrestrials does not go against God/Religion, even if there are no proofs of alien's existence.
As if he was plenty of proofs about God's existence...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097680</id>
	<title>Pope's Way Of Saying</title>
	<author>boudie2</author>
	<datestamp>1258215720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I , for one , welcome our new alien overlords .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30111384</id>
	<title>Re:No need for extraterrestrials</title>
	<author>TheBig1</author>
	<datestamp>1258300140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The second smartest animals <em>on earth</em> would be both species of chimp.</p></div><p> (Emphasis added)
<br> <br>
Well duh, that's because the dolphins have already left!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The second smartest animals on earth would be both species of chimp .
( Emphasis added ) Well duh , that 's because the dolphins have already left !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The second smartest animals on earth would be both species of chimp.
(Emphasis added)
 
Well duh, that's because the dolphins have already left!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30100098</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30104576</id>
	<title>Vatican preparing people for accepting alien life</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258316820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks to me like American's or someone know about the existence of alien life and they want the vatican folks to prepare themselves and the goats (christians) for this reality</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks to me like American 's or someone know about the existence of alien life and they want the vatican folks to prepare themselves and the goats ( christians ) for this reality</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks to me like American's or someone know about the existence of alien life and they want the vatican folks to prepare themselves and the goats (christians) for this reality</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096806</id>
	<title>#gnaa irc.hardchats.com</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258208040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <b>GNAA REBORN UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP</b> </p><p> <i>DiKKy Heartiez - Berlin, Norway </i> </p><p>President timecop of the GNAA has died today. He died at the age of 55 from excessive lulz in his apartment in Tokyo, Japan while watching faggot cartoons of preteen girls beeing raped by giant testicles. The world will remember him as a total faggot douchebag who had the opportunity to unite the best trolls seen upon the face of the internet into one special hardcore machine of destruction, unfortunately he failed, instead devoting his internet carreer to animu. Although he died like a true hero he will be forever remembered as a total failure. </p><p>In the wake of his death the GNAA is thought to perish like all the other so called trolling organizations. The writing is on the wall, they say. The GNAA smells worse than BSD, they say.They have said this for a long time. The GNAA has lived, with a very faint pulse, for years. </p><p> <b> DIKKY HEARTIEZ CLAIMS THE PRESIDENCY OF THE GNAA!!!!!!!</b> </p><p>With the death of timecop still shocking our chats, not many are able to see ahead. But there is one visionary Nord who has great plans for the new GNAA.<br>"Under my leadership the GNAA will become the new home of all trolls on the internet. The GNAA will regain its old strength and will be feared by bloggers and jews alike. The time for CHANGE is now." DiKky HearTiez told a shocked audience outside the Gary Niger Memorial Plaza, Nigeria, earlier today. The GNAA will move its Internet Relayed Communications to a new location, following reports of a massive "Distributed Denial Of Service" attack on its previous location, making it unreliable.<br>"Our operatives are in need of a robust and safe communications service with can\_flood for everyone." An anonymous source at the GNAA Black Ops department told reporters at the same conference.</p><p> <b>KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez presidency!</b> </p><p>The infamous KLULZ internet radio station supports DiKKy Heartiez for the new GNAA president.<br>"KLULZ is behind him 100\% and will be broadcasting his speeches and support him in every way possible, we wish him the best of luck and an outstanding presidency. May many blogs burn under DiKky Hearties." This was stated by KLULZ Operations Manager and Gay Nigger g0sp when asked to comment on KLULZ involvement.</p><p> <b>About President timecop</b> </p><p>DEAD.</p><p> <b>About DiKKy HearTiez </b> </p><p>The world famous internet nord from Norway LOL HY living in a fjord LOL HY. Currently the new President of the new GNAA. He is also a radiodj on KLULZ and active in many irc chats. Known for several epic trolls in his time. Led the GNAA operation Intel Crapflood 21, who succesfully made GNAA owners of the biggest thread on Slashdot until fixed by admins. Also deeply involved in the war on blogs, and is the one who provided JesuitX with the real screenshots of Faggintosh Leopard. His leadership abilities, high iq and instoppable urge to troll, coupled with his fat Norwegian welfare check will enable him to become the best President the GNAA ever had.</p><p> <b>About KLULZ</b> </p><p>KLULZ is the internets radio station, bringing you news about the GNAA, hosting shows by prominent djs such as DiKKy, l0de, g0sp, jenk and many others. KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez. With mature content this channel is not suitable for children or people under the age of 18. Klulz radio can be heard at http://klulz.com/listen.pls</p><p> <b>About GNAA</b>:</p><p> <b>GNAA</b> (<i>GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA</i>) is the first<br>organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one<br>common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.</p><p>Are you <a href="http://klerck.org/spin.gif" title="klerck.org" rel="nofollow"> <b>GAY</b> </a> [klerck.org]?</p><p>Are you a <a href="http://www.mugshots.org/sports/oj-simpson.jpg" title="mugshots.org" rel="nofollow"> <b>NIGGER</b> </a> [mugshots.org]?</p><p>Are you a <a href="http://www.gay-sex-access.com/gay-black-sex.jpg" title="gay-sex-access.com" rel="nofollow"> <b>GAY NIGGER</b> </a> [gay-sex-access.com]?</p><p>If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then <b>GNAA</b> (<i>GAY NIGGER<br>ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA</i>) might be exactly what you've been looking for!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GNAA REBORN UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP DiKKy Heartiez - Berlin , Norway President timecop of the GNAA has died today .
He died at the age of 55 from excessive lulz in his apartment in Tokyo , Japan while watching faggot cartoons of preteen girls beeing raped by giant testicles .
The world will remember him as a total faggot douchebag who had the opportunity to unite the best trolls seen upon the face of the internet into one special hardcore machine of destruction , unfortunately he failed , instead devoting his internet carreer to animu .
Although he died like a true hero he will be forever remembered as a total failure .
In the wake of his death the GNAA is thought to perish like all the other so called trolling organizations .
The writing is on the wall , they say .
The GNAA smells worse than BSD , they say.They have said this for a long time .
The GNAA has lived , with a very faint pulse , for years .
DIKKY HEARTIEZ CLAIMS THE PRESIDENCY OF THE GNAA ! ! ! ! ! ! !
With the death of timecop still shocking our chats , not many are able to see ahead .
But there is one visionary Nord who has great plans for the new GNAA .
" Under my leadership the GNAA will become the new home of all trolls on the internet .
The GNAA will regain its old strength and will be feared by bloggers and jews alike .
The time for CHANGE is now .
" DiKky HearTiez told a shocked audience outside the Gary Niger Memorial Plaza , Nigeria , earlier today .
The GNAA will move its Internet Relayed Communications to a new location , following reports of a massive " Distributed Denial Of Service " attack on its previous location , making it unreliable .
" Our operatives are in need of a robust and safe communications service with can \ _flood for everyone .
" An anonymous source at the GNAA Black Ops department told reporters at the same conference .
KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez presidency !
The infamous KLULZ internet radio station supports DiKKy Heartiez for the new GNAA president .
" KLULZ is behind him 100 \ % and will be broadcasting his speeches and support him in every way possible , we wish him the best of luck and an outstanding presidency .
May many blogs burn under DiKky Hearties .
" This was stated by KLULZ Operations Manager and Gay Nigger g0sp when asked to comment on KLULZ involvement .
About President timecop DEAD .
About DiKKy HearTiez The world famous internet nord from Norway LOL HY living in a fjord LOL HY .
Currently the new President of the new GNAA .
He is also a radiodj on KLULZ and active in many irc chats .
Known for several epic trolls in his time .
Led the GNAA operation Intel Crapflood 21 , who succesfully made GNAA owners of the biggest thread on Slashdot until fixed by admins .
Also deeply involved in the war on blogs , and is the one who provided JesuitX with the real screenshots of Faggintosh Leopard .
His leadership abilities , high iq and instoppable urge to troll , coupled with his fat Norwegian welfare check will enable him to become the best President the GNAA ever had .
About KLULZ KLULZ is the internets radio station , bringing you news about the GNAA , hosting shows by prominent djs such as DiKKy , l0de , g0sp , jenk and many others .
KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez .
With mature content this channel is not suitable for children or people under the age of 18 .
Klulz radio can be heard at http : //klulz.com/listen.pls About GNAA : GNAA ( GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA ) is the firstorganization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for onecommon goal - being GAY NIGGERS.Are you GAY [ klerck.org ] ? Are you a NIGGER [ mugshots.org ] ? Are you a GAY NIGGER [ gay-sex-access.com ] ? If you answered " Yes " to all of the above questions , then GNAA ( GAY NIGGERASSOCIATION OF AMERICA ) might be exactly what you 've been looking for !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> GNAA REBORN UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP  DiKKy Heartiez - Berlin, Norway  President timecop of the GNAA has died today.
He died at the age of 55 from excessive lulz in his apartment in Tokyo, Japan while watching faggot cartoons of preteen girls beeing raped by giant testicles.
The world will remember him as a total faggot douchebag who had the opportunity to unite the best trolls seen upon the face of the internet into one special hardcore machine of destruction, unfortunately he failed, instead devoting his internet carreer to animu.
Although he died like a true hero he will be forever remembered as a total failure.
In the wake of his death the GNAA is thought to perish like all the other so called trolling organizations.
The writing is on the wall, they say.
The GNAA smells worse than BSD, they say.They have said this for a long time.
The GNAA has lived, with a very faint pulse, for years.
DIKKY HEARTIEZ CLAIMS THE PRESIDENCY OF THE GNAA!!!!!!!
With the death of timecop still shocking our chats, not many are able to see ahead.
But there is one visionary Nord who has great plans for the new GNAA.
"Under my leadership the GNAA will become the new home of all trolls on the internet.
The GNAA will regain its old strength and will be feared by bloggers and jews alike.
The time for CHANGE is now.
" DiKky HearTiez told a shocked audience outside the Gary Niger Memorial Plaza, Nigeria, earlier today.
The GNAA will move its Internet Relayed Communications to a new location, following reports of a massive "Distributed Denial Of Service" attack on its previous location, making it unreliable.
"Our operatives are in need of a robust and safe communications service with can\_flood for everyone.
" An anonymous source at the GNAA Black Ops department told reporters at the same conference.
KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez presidency!
The infamous KLULZ internet radio station supports DiKKy Heartiez for the new GNAA president.
"KLULZ is behind him 100\% and will be broadcasting his speeches and support him in every way possible, we wish him the best of luck and an outstanding presidency.
May many blogs burn under DiKky Hearties.
" This was stated by KLULZ Operations Manager and Gay Nigger g0sp when asked to comment on KLULZ involvement.
About President timecop DEAD.
About DiKKy HearTiez  The world famous internet nord from Norway LOL HY living in a fjord LOL HY.
Currently the new President of the new GNAA.
He is also a radiodj on KLULZ and active in many irc chats.
Known for several epic trolls in his time.
Led the GNAA operation Intel Crapflood 21, who succesfully made GNAA owners of the biggest thread on Slashdot until fixed by admins.
Also deeply involved in the war on blogs, and is the one who provided JesuitX with the real screenshots of Faggintosh Leopard.
His leadership abilities, high iq and instoppable urge to troll, coupled with his fat Norwegian welfare check will enable him to become the best President the GNAA ever had.
About KLULZ KLULZ is the internets radio station, bringing you news about the GNAA, hosting shows by prominent djs such as DiKKy, l0de, g0sp, jenk and many others.
KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez.
With mature content this channel is not suitable for children or people under the age of 18.
Klulz radio can be heard at http://klulz.com/listen.pls About GNAA: GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the firstorganization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for onecommon goal - being GAY NIGGERS.Are you  GAY  [klerck.org]?Are you a  NIGGER  [mugshots.org]?Are you a  GAY NIGGER  [gay-sex-access.com]?If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGERASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098212</id>
	<title>Alien Little Boys!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258219980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because human little boys are just not enough and the collar is not the only stiff thing at the rectory rectum exploritorium. Furthermore, the Rat Line used for Nazis in the past and pedophiles in the present needs a drastic update as South America is getting too destabilized by the CIA these days.</p><p>Oh yeah, praise the one and only God worshiped by Catholics and Jesus and the Holy Spirit and Mother Mary, but only one using Catholic math. Since hell was invented in the Dark Ages I would not want to go there and all that shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because human little boys are just not enough and the collar is not the only stiff thing at the rectory rectum exploritorium .
Furthermore , the Rat Line used for Nazis in the past and pedophiles in the present needs a drastic update as South America is getting too destabilized by the CIA these days.Oh yeah , praise the one and only God worshiped by Catholics and Jesus and the Holy Spirit and Mother Mary , but only one using Catholic math .
Since hell was invented in the Dark Ages I would not want to go there and all that shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because human little boys are just not enough and the collar is not the only stiff thing at the rectory rectum exploritorium.
Furthermore, the Rat Line used for Nazis in the past and pedophiles in the present needs a drastic update as South America is getting too destabilized by the CIA these days.Oh yeah, praise the one and only God worshiped by Catholics and Jesus and the Holy Spirit and Mother Mary, but only one using Catholic math.
Since hell was invented in the Dark Ages I would not want to go there and all that shit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096856</id>
	<title>Wow...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258208640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Going to get modded down for this, but if you believe anything the Vatican/Bible says your fucking stupid.  Lets listen to the religion who has killed millions of innocent people just because they want to think differently; the same people who have detested the thought of non-human life for centuries.<br><br>George Carlin puts this best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o<br><br>The pope needs to get kicked in the balls, hard.  There is no man floating up in a cloud somewhere...and even if there was, he's a bloody moron.  Leave this stuff for the pros, and go back to your worldwide business.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Going to get modded down for this , but if you believe anything the Vatican/Bible says your fucking stupid .
Lets listen to the religion who has killed millions of innocent people just because they want to think differently ; the same people who have detested the thought of non-human life for centuries.George Carlin puts this best : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = MeSSwKffj9oThe pope needs to get kicked in the balls , hard .
There is no man floating up in a cloud somewhere...and even if there was , he 's a bloody moron .
Leave this stuff for the pros , and go back to your worldwide business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Going to get modded down for this, but if you believe anything the Vatican/Bible says your fucking stupid.
Lets listen to the religion who has killed millions of innocent people just because they want to think differently; the same people who have detested the thought of non-human life for centuries.George Carlin puts this best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9oThe pope needs to get kicked in the balls, hard.
There is no man floating up in a cloud somewhere...and even if there was, he's a bloody moron.
Leave this stuff for the pros, and go back to your worldwide business.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097400</id>
	<title>Priorities</title>
	<author>mugurel</author>
	<datestamp>1258213320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the Vatican really has a sudden outbreak of open-mindedness I strongly insist we settle the issue of evolution first!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the Vatican really has a sudden outbreak of open-mindedness I strongly insist we settle the issue of evolution first !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the Vatican really has a sudden outbreak of open-mindedness I strongly insist we settle the issue of evolution first!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097086</id>
	<title>Watching TV much?</title>
	<author>Ruvim</author>
	<datestamp>1258210680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, Vatican has been watching V on HULU lately?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , Vatican has been watching V on HULU lately ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, Vatican has been watching V on HULU lately?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30103310</id>
	<title>Filthy Alien Scum</title>
	<author>orkysoft</author>
	<datestamp>1258216080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens, and those who believe in multiple incarnations,' says Paul Davies, a theoretical physicist. 'The multiple incarnations is a heresy in Catholicism.'</p></div></blockquote><p>Of course, the aliens are witches and heretics, and need to be purged from the galaxy in great crusades.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens , and those who believe in multiple incarnations, ' says Paul Davies , a theoretical physicist .
'The multiple incarnations is a heresy in Catholicism .
'Of course , the aliens are witches and heretics , and need to be purged from the galaxy in great crusades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens, and those who believe in multiple incarnations,' says Paul Davies, a theoretical physicist.
'The multiple incarnations is a heresy in Catholicism.
'Of course, the aliens are witches and heretics, and need to be purged from the galaxy in great crusades.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30105186</id>
	<title>I Want To Believe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258294860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.astro.umd.edu.nyud.net/~peel/graphics/I\_Want\_To\_Believe.jpg" title="nyud.net" rel="nofollow">I Want To Believe</a> [nyud.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I Want To Believe [ nyud.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I Want To Believe [nyud.net]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30099154</id>
	<title>Re:The problem with religion</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1258225380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Science points towards an almost certainty of intelligent alien life out there, even if we never meet it face-to-face.</p></div> </blockquote><p>That may be a bit presumptuous. The possibility that we may be a one-in-kajillion fluke is still a viable possibility.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Science points towards an almost certainty of intelligent alien life out there , even if we never meet it face-to-face .
That may be a bit presumptuous .
The possibility that we may be a one-in-kajillion fluke is still a viable possibility .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Science points towards an almost certainty of intelligent alien life out there, even if we never meet it face-to-face.
That may be a bit presumptuous.
The possibility that we may be a one-in-kajillion fluke is still a viable possibility.
   
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097058</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30100780</id>
	<title>default response</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258193100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>pictures or it didn't happen</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>pictures or it did n't happen</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pictures or it didn't happen</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30099412</id>
	<title>Summary</title>
	<author>SirYakksALot</author>
	<datestamp>1258227000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Vatican is currently deciding whether it wants to be the organization that dooms the entire human race to be wiped out by annoyed extraterrestrials who already have their own religion(s).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Vatican is currently deciding whether it wants to be the organization that dooms the entire human race to be wiped out by annoyed extraterrestrials who already have their own religion ( s ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Vatican is currently deciding whether it wants to be the organization that dooms the entire human race to be wiped out by annoyed extraterrestrials who already have their own religion(s).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097062</id>
	<title>Don't know, those guys are death, the church isn't</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1258210560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For all the so called negative press religion gets, it sure seems to be on the increase. Make of that what you will.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For all the so called negative press religion gets , it sure seems to be on the increase .
Make of that what you will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For all the so called negative press religion gets, it sure seems to be on the increase.
Make of that what you will.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096830</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097476</id>
	<title>Aliens are among us.</title>
	<author>Teun</author>
	<datestamp>1258213860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Looking at the present bishop of Rome tells us aliens are among us.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Looking at the present bishop of Rome tells us aliens are among us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looking at the present bishop of Rome tells us aliens are among us.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097158</id>
	<title>About time!</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1258211340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fiction enthusiasts finally discuss the staple of science fiction. Church and science could be reunited again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fiction enthusiasts finally discuss the staple of science fiction .
Church and science could be reunited again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fiction enthusiasts finally discuss the staple of science fiction.
Church and science could be reunited again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096972</id>
	<title>It's Smart</title>
	<author>Talisman</author>
	<datestamp>1258209660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Just as a multiplicity of creatures exists on Earth, so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God."</p><p>I am agnostic, and I have no problem with this line of reasoning.  The presence of aliens neither proves nor disproves the existence of God, from a philosophical point of view.  The 'smart' religion is the adaptable one.  If you want to keep your followers and expand your base, you need to keep your belief systems up-to-date.  This is a very smart thing for the Catholic church to do.  Now if they could just get over their hatred of homosexuals...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Just as a multiplicity of creatures exists on Earth , so there could be other beings , also intelligent , created by God .
" I am agnostic , and I have no problem with this line of reasoning .
The presence of aliens neither proves nor disproves the existence of God , from a philosophical point of view .
The 'smart ' religion is the adaptable one .
If you want to keep your followers and expand your base , you need to keep your belief systems up-to-date .
This is a very smart thing for the Catholic church to do .
Now if they could just get over their hatred of homosexuals.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Just as a multiplicity of creatures exists on Earth, so there could be other beings, also intelligent, created by God.
"I am agnostic, and I have no problem with this line of reasoning.
The presence of aliens neither proves nor disproves the existence of God, from a philosophical point of view.
The 'smart' religion is the adaptable one.
If you want to keep your followers and expand your base, you need to keep your belief systems up-to-date.
This is a very smart thing for the Catholic church to do.
Now if they could just get over their hatred of homosexuals...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097976</id>
	<title>You must be new here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258218420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Slashdot is here for nerds to discuss the news.  There are no reporters, just links to others' works.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdot is here for nerds to discuss the news .
There are no reporters , just links to others ' works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashdot is here for nerds to discuss the news.
There are no reporters, just links to others' works.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096882</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098076</id>
	<title>Re:Keep It Simple</title>
	<author>J\_Omega</author>
	<datestamp>1258219260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can any of us imagine a Holy book being delivered two thousand years ago that babbled about relativity, the Higg"s Boson or multi dimensional universes?</p></div><p>
I can.  True, no one would have a clue as to what it meant at the time, but if the bible stated (as YouTube user FA quipped:)<br>
"Verily, I say unto thee, that thine energy is as thine mass times the speed of light multiplied unto itself." <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... well, I'd find THAT pretty impressive.<br> <br>
I'd much rather that Moses (or Aaron, whatever,) gave us the "Book of Circles" which contained 3.14159....... out to one million places.  Or e. Or Newtonian physics.  ANYTHING of that sort, that had nothing prior like it yet could be later shown to be (close enough to) correct and pragmatically useful would instill some faith in me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can any of us imagine a Holy book being delivered two thousand years ago that babbled about relativity , the Higg " s Boson or multi dimensional universes ?
I can .
True , no one would have a clue as to what it meant at the time , but if the bible stated ( as YouTube user FA quipped : ) " Verily , I say unto thee , that thine energy is as thine mass times the speed of light multiplied unto itself .
" ... well , I 'd find THAT pretty impressive .
I 'd much rather that Moses ( or Aaron , whatever , ) gave us the " Book of Circles " which contained 3.14159....... out to one million places .
Or e. Or Newtonian physics .
ANYTHING of that sort , that had nothing prior like it yet could be later shown to be ( close enough to ) correct and pragmatically useful would instill some faith in me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can any of us imagine a Holy book being delivered two thousand years ago that babbled about relativity, the Higg"s Boson or multi dimensional universes?
I can.
True, no one would have a clue as to what it meant at the time, but if the bible stated (as YouTube user FA quipped:)
"Verily, I say unto thee, that thine energy is as thine mass times the speed of light multiplied unto itself.
"  ... well, I'd find THAT pretty impressive.
I'd much rather that Moses (or Aaron, whatever,) gave us the "Book of Circles" which contained 3.14159....... out to one million places.
Or e. Or Newtonian physics.
ANYTHING of that sort, that had nothing prior like it yet could be later shown to be (close enough to) correct and pragmatically useful would instill some faith in me.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097180</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097652</id>
	<title>I'll put my faith on the table.</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1258215360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok liberals, now hear's your big chance.  Instead of always trying to kill NASA and space exploration to buy donuts for poor people, let's have a tax on candy bars for NASA and let's go find out, if this volcano god of mine manifests himself elsewhere in the universe.  Here's your big chance to prove in your minds, everything we religius right nutcases is wrong.</p><p>Build the nuclear powered spaceships, build the big ass space telescopes, let's get HUMANS walking on Mars and on the asteroids and on Titan and Europa...</p><p>Let's go!  Double NASA's budget.  Mars, Constellation, robots in space. Let's do ALL OF IT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok liberals , now hear 's your big chance .
Instead of always trying to kill NASA and space exploration to buy donuts for poor people , let 's have a tax on candy bars for NASA and let 's go find out , if this volcano god of mine manifests himself elsewhere in the universe .
Here 's your big chance to prove in your minds , everything we religius right nutcases is wrong.Build the nuclear powered spaceships , build the big ass space telescopes , let 's get HUMANS walking on Mars and on the asteroids and on Titan and Europa...Let 's go !
Double NASA 's budget .
Mars , Constellation , robots in space .
Let 's do ALL OF IT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok liberals, now hear's your big chance.
Instead of always trying to kill NASA and space exploration to buy donuts for poor people, let's have a tax on candy bars for NASA and let's go find out, if this volcano god of mine manifests himself elsewhere in the universe.
Here's your big chance to prove in your minds, everything we religius right nutcases is wrong.Build the nuclear powered spaceships, build the big ass space telescopes, let's get HUMANS walking on Mars and on the asteroids and on Titan and Europa...Let's go!
Double NASA's budget.
Mars, Constellation, robots in space.
Let's do ALL OF IT.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30099088</id>
	<title>I would hope there is life elsewhere</title>
	<author>bXTr</author>
	<datestamp>1258224840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&ldquo;The only thing that scares me more than space aliens is the idea that there aren't any space aliens. We can't be the best that creation has to offer. I pray we're not all there is. If so, we're in big trouble.&rdquo;
<br>
-- Ellen Degeneres</htmltext>
<tokenext>   The only thing that scares me more than space aliens is the idea that there are n't any space aliens .
We ca n't be the best that creation has to offer .
I pray we 're not all there is .
If so , we 're in big trouble.    -- Ellen Degeneres</tokentext>
<sentencetext>“The only thing that scares me more than space aliens is the idea that there aren't any space aliens.
We can't be the best that creation has to offer.
I pray we're not all there is.
If so, we're in big trouble.”

-- Ellen Degeneres</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098898</id>
	<title>Re:The problem with religion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258223700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>what they think they know about an invisible guy who reigns supreme</p></div><p> Dammit, it's *REIGNS*, with a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p><p>Wait a minute. YOU GOT IT RIGHT? Oh crap! Someone on.. the internet... got<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... (faints)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>what they think they know about an invisible guy who reigns supreme Dammit , it 's * REIGNS * , with a ....Wait a minute .
YOU GOT IT RIGHT ?
Oh crap !
Someone on.. the internet... got ... ( faints )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what they think they know about an invisible guy who reigns supreme Dammit, it's *REIGNS*, with a ....Wait a minute.
YOU GOT IT RIGHT?
Oh crap!
Someone on.. the internet... got ... (faints)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097058</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097924</id>
	<title>The article is crap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258217880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, sorry to break up the church bashing (always popular here), but the article is <strong>way</strong> off base.
Hint: when you see a badly photoshoped image of the Pope together with the creature from <i>Alien</i>, you're probably not in the science section any more.</p><p>I know people who attended (I'm also an astronomer myself, although I don't do biology) and it was a scientific <i>astrobiology</i> conference, not a theology conference and the topic was on the <i>scientific</i> possibilities and conditions of life on other planets.  That's <i>life</i>, mind you, <b>not</b> [necessarily] <i>intelligent life.</i> </p><p>The conference, which ended about a week ago, was organized as part of the
<a href="http://www.astronomy2009.org/" title="astronomy2009.org" rel="nofollow">International Year of Astronomy</a> [astronomy2009.org] and was sponsored by the <a href="http://www.vaticanobservatory.org/" title="vaticanobservatory.org" rel="nofollow">Vatican Observatory</a> [vaticanobservatory.org] which is a small, but well-respected, astronomical research center.  To imply that the Vatican has become obsessed with extra-terrestrials because they hosted a scientific conference is just a gross distortion of reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , sorry to break up the church bashing ( always popular here ) , but the article is way off base .
Hint : when you see a badly photoshoped image of the Pope together with the creature from Alien , you 're probably not in the science section any more.I know people who attended ( I 'm also an astronomer myself , although I do n't do biology ) and it was a scientific astrobiology conference , not a theology conference and the topic was on the scientific possibilities and conditions of life on other planets .
That 's life , mind you , not [ necessarily ] intelligent life .
The conference , which ended about a week ago , was organized as part of the International Year of Astronomy [ astronomy2009.org ] and was sponsored by the Vatican Observatory [ vaticanobservatory.org ] which is a small , but well-respected , astronomical research center .
To imply that the Vatican has become obsessed with extra-terrestrials because they hosted a scientific conference is just a gross distortion of reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, sorry to break up the church bashing (always popular here), but the article is way off base.
Hint: when you see a badly photoshoped image of the Pope together with the creature from Alien, you're probably not in the science section any more.I know people who attended (I'm also an astronomer myself, although I don't do biology) and it was a scientific astrobiology conference, not a theology conference and the topic was on the scientific possibilities and conditions of life on other planets.
That's life, mind you, not [necessarily] intelligent life.
The conference, which ended about a week ago, was organized as part of the
International Year of Astronomy [astronomy2009.org] and was sponsored by the Vatican Observatory [vaticanobservatory.org] which is a small, but well-respected, astronomical research center.
To imply that the Vatican has become obsessed with extra-terrestrials because they hosted a scientific conference is just a gross distortion of reality.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097620</id>
	<title>What I don't get about Atheist Liberals...</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1258215180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is that, the lions share of you, in the Congress, always vote to cut, curtail and otherwise shut down NASA.  Routinely.  As soon as we get a Democrat in office, since the 1970s, NASA comes under attack.</p><p>I mean, really, seriously, NASA is a government program, engaged in secular science, and liberals always want to kill it, and manned space flight, in particular.</p><p>Liberals killed Bush the Eldar's Mars program, probably will kill Bush the Jr's Mars program, already killed the Prometheus project and ran O'Keefe out on a rail because he said what every scientist with half a brain knows - you need nuclear power for space.</p><p>Like, how on earth is it that is we god fearing, backwards ass knuckle driving Conservatives can see that NASA is not even a national priority, but a human one, and you liberals can't.  For fuck sakes, I am hear, Rush Limbaugh listening, Sean Hannity watching, capitalist flag waving, Obama bitching Nancy Pelosi saying, raise my fricking taxes on smokes or something, let's double NASA's budget and have nuclear powered spaceships, robots and telescopes and all sorts of crap in space...</p><p>and liberals say NO?</p><p>WTF is up with that?</p><p>If Obama said, we're going to do stimulus round 2 and build a pyramid on Mars, I'd say let's go!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that , the lions share of you , in the Congress , always vote to cut , curtail and otherwise shut down NASA .
Routinely. As soon as we get a Democrat in office , since the 1970s , NASA comes under attack.I mean , really , seriously , NASA is a government program , engaged in secular science , and liberals always want to kill it , and manned space flight , in particular.Liberals killed Bush the Eldar 's Mars program , probably will kill Bush the Jr 's Mars program , already killed the Prometheus project and ran O'Keefe out on a rail because he said what every scientist with half a brain knows - you need nuclear power for space.Like , how on earth is it that is we god fearing , backwards ass knuckle driving Conservatives can see that NASA is not even a national priority , but a human one , and you liberals ca n't .
For fuck sakes , I am hear , Rush Limbaugh listening , Sean Hannity watching , capitalist flag waving , Obama bitching Nancy Pelosi saying , raise my fricking taxes on smokes or something , let 's double NASA 's budget and have nuclear powered spaceships , robots and telescopes and all sorts of crap in space...and liberals say NO ? WTF is up with that ? If Obama said , we 're going to do stimulus round 2 and build a pyramid on Mars , I 'd say let 's go !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that, the lions share of you, in the Congress, always vote to cut, curtail and otherwise shut down NASA.
Routinely.  As soon as we get a Democrat in office, since the 1970s, NASA comes under attack.I mean, really, seriously, NASA is a government program, engaged in secular science, and liberals always want to kill it, and manned space flight, in particular.Liberals killed Bush the Eldar's Mars program, probably will kill Bush the Jr's Mars program, already killed the Prometheus project and ran O'Keefe out on a rail because he said what every scientist with half a brain knows - you need nuclear power for space.Like, how on earth is it that is we god fearing, backwards ass knuckle driving Conservatives can see that NASA is not even a national priority, but a human one, and you liberals can't.
For fuck sakes, I am hear, Rush Limbaugh listening, Sean Hannity watching, capitalist flag waving, Obama bitching Nancy Pelosi saying, raise my fricking taxes on smokes or something, let's double NASA's budget and have nuclear powered spaceships, robots and telescopes and all sorts of crap in space...and liberals say NO?WTF is up with that?If Obama said, we're going to do stimulus round 2 and build a pyramid on Mars, I'd say let's go!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097110</id>
	<title>What does is say about my mind...</title>
	<author>KGBear</author>
	<datestamp>1258211040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...That I read the title as "Vulcan Debates Possibility of Alien Life?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>...That I read the title as " Vulcan Debates Possibility of Alien Life ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...That I read the title as "Vulcan Debates Possibility of Alien Life?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098418</id>
	<title>Bringing orig... cristianity to the aliens</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258221000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"And in the name of the god, ships shall be built to carry out our warriors among the staaaaars!!!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" And in the name of the god , ships shall be built to carry out our warriors among the staaaaars ! ! !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"And in the name of the god, ships shall be built to carry out our warriors among the staaaaars!!!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097090</id>
	<title>Tell me again why...</title>
	<author>ColonelPanic</author>
	<datestamp>1258210740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... we're supposed to treat these clowns with respect and allow their weird Sunday-morning social clubs to have tax-exempt status in the US?</p><p>And the Catholics are supposed to be the *smart* ones, too!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... we 're supposed to treat these clowns with respect and allow their weird Sunday-morning social clubs to have tax-exempt status in the US ? And the Catholics are supposed to be the * smart * ones , too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... we're supposed to treat these clowns with respect and allow their weird Sunday-morning social clubs to have tax-exempt status in the US?And the Catholics are supposed to be the *smart* ones, too!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098014</id>
	<title>Re:So the bullshitters change their story.</title>
	<author>PieSquared</author>
	<datestamp>1258218780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wrong. "Catholic leaders say that alien life can be aligned with the Bible's teachings". They don't plan to change *their* story, they plan to change the facts to fit their story, as is their wont.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong .
" Catholic leaders say that alien life can be aligned with the Bible 's teachings " .
They do n't plan to change * their * story , they plan to change the facts to fit their story , as is their wont .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong.
"Catholic leaders say that alien life can be aligned with the Bible's teachings".
They don't plan to change *their* story, they plan to change the facts to fit their story, as is their wont.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096838</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097058</id>
	<title>The problem with religion</title>
	<author>KingSkippus</author>
	<datestamp>1258210500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is one of the fundamental problems with modern religions.</p><p>When religion and scientific evidence are in direct conflict with each other, enlightened people accept the scientific evidence.  Enlightened religious people accept the scientific evidence and try to find ways to resolve it so that their religion remains logically consistent.  (Yes, sometimes jumping through hoops to do so, but at least they don't look at scientists as some kind of evil tricksters or conspirators.)</p><p>The dumb ones, though, continue to argue against the scientific evidence not because of any particular keen insight, but because of what they think they know about an invisible guy who reigns supreme and, for the most part, what a two-thousand-year-old book that was written in an ancient language by ancient people and interpreted through various political and theological lenses says.</p><p>And, of course, most modern religions (and in particular, most modern people pushing it) are out there trying to convince people that if you question their interpretation of the "facts," that you'll burn in hell for eternity.</p><p>The church shouldn't even be having this argument.  Science points towards an almost certainty of intelligent alien life out there, even if we never meet it face-to-face.  They need to resign themselves to the fact that it exists, and adjust their thought accordingly.  A biblical reference to the "four corners of the earth" doesn't mean that the earth literally has four corners (i.e. it's flat).  A biblical reference to God making man in his own image doesn't mean that the god they worship literally looks like we do.</p><p>Duh.</p><p>As for the whole Christ thing, well, I'm guessing that alien cultures probably have their own religions, and some of them are probably even more interesting than ours.  If we ever do have the pleasure of meeting some of them, we'll probably do what we've done throughout our entire history of existence.  Figure out some way to meld them together to make ourselves feel better about ourselves and go on with life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is one of the fundamental problems with modern religions.When religion and scientific evidence are in direct conflict with each other , enlightened people accept the scientific evidence .
Enlightened religious people accept the scientific evidence and try to find ways to resolve it so that their religion remains logically consistent .
( Yes , sometimes jumping through hoops to do so , but at least they do n't look at scientists as some kind of evil tricksters or conspirators .
) The dumb ones , though , continue to argue against the scientific evidence not because of any particular keen insight , but because of what they think they know about an invisible guy who reigns supreme and , for the most part , what a two-thousand-year-old book that was written in an ancient language by ancient people and interpreted through various political and theological lenses says.And , of course , most modern religions ( and in particular , most modern people pushing it ) are out there trying to convince people that if you question their interpretation of the " facts , " that you 'll burn in hell for eternity.The church should n't even be having this argument .
Science points towards an almost certainty of intelligent alien life out there , even if we never meet it face-to-face .
They need to resign themselves to the fact that it exists , and adjust their thought accordingly .
A biblical reference to the " four corners of the earth " does n't mean that the earth literally has four corners ( i.e .
it 's flat ) .
A biblical reference to God making man in his own image does n't mean that the god they worship literally looks like we do.Duh.As for the whole Christ thing , well , I 'm guessing that alien cultures probably have their own religions , and some of them are probably even more interesting than ours .
If we ever do have the pleasure of meeting some of them , we 'll probably do what we 've done throughout our entire history of existence .
Figure out some way to meld them together to make ourselves feel better about ourselves and go on with life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is one of the fundamental problems with modern religions.When religion and scientific evidence are in direct conflict with each other, enlightened people accept the scientific evidence.
Enlightened religious people accept the scientific evidence and try to find ways to resolve it so that their religion remains logically consistent.
(Yes, sometimes jumping through hoops to do so, but at least they don't look at scientists as some kind of evil tricksters or conspirators.
)The dumb ones, though, continue to argue against the scientific evidence not because of any particular keen insight, but because of what they think they know about an invisible guy who reigns supreme and, for the most part, what a two-thousand-year-old book that was written in an ancient language by ancient people and interpreted through various political and theological lenses says.And, of course, most modern religions (and in particular, most modern people pushing it) are out there trying to convince people that if you question their interpretation of the "facts," that you'll burn in hell for eternity.The church shouldn't even be having this argument.
Science points towards an almost certainty of intelligent alien life out there, even if we never meet it face-to-face.
They need to resign themselves to the fact that it exists, and adjust their thought accordingly.
A biblical reference to the "four corners of the earth" doesn't mean that the earth literally has four corners (i.e.
it's flat).
A biblical reference to God making man in his own image doesn't mean that the god they worship literally looks like we do.Duh.As for the whole Christ thing, well, I'm guessing that alien cultures probably have their own religions, and some of them are probably even more interesting than ours.
If we ever do have the pleasure of meeting some of them, we'll probably do what we've done throughout our entire history of existence.
Figure out some way to meld them together to make ourselves feel better about ourselves and go on with life.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30099578</id>
	<title>Re:The problem with religion</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1258228260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Shouldn't be having this argument?</p><p>Really?</p><p>I don't think we have enough evidence to point to the probability of intelligent life existing anywhere else.   I personally believe there is, but that is purely because the notion appeals to me.  We don't know enough to speak about this question except in the most hand-waving fashion.</p><p>But I can think of two really good reasons for them to have this argument.   First, it forces the people having this argument to confront the meaning of their beliefs.   How many people ever bother to do that, even if they're right (I'm speaking to *you* whoever you are reading this)?   There are three general classes of views consistent with some kind of belief in the Bible that I can think of.</p><p>1) The Bible is history, and other intelligent life may have fallen as humanity did in the Garden, but we may meet aliens living in a state of grace.<br>2) The Bible is history, but other intelligent life fell with humanity through some unexplained mechanism. Note that in this formulation Adam and Eve wouldn't necessarily be of the human species, if we interpret "mankind" to be "rational creatures".<br>3) The Bible is mythology.  In this view, the myth of the Garden speaks to us about the nature of being a rational being.   It was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that exiled us from our animal state, therefore any creature capable of distinguishing good and evil is fallen and needs redemption.</p><p>Now here is the second reason I can think of for having this argument: we are going to meet non-human intelligent beings very soon.  We'll have created them.  Are they persons?  Can we own an intelligent computer program, or a machine on which an intelligent program runs?  Can the ethics we have developed over the centuries apply to them at all?  That's not a scientific question, although scientific opinion has a bearing on this (e.g. we have evidence now that great apes are self-aware in ways that few animals other than humans are).</p><p>Discussing the nature of personhood in the context of a *naturally occurring* entity would be an important intermediate case. It would allow us to dispense with the distraction that "we made these things out of nuts and bolts and wire so it belongs to us."   Of course, that never stopped people from enslaving indigenous human populations they ran across, but hopefully most of us are beyond that now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should n't be having this argument ? Really ? I do n't think we have enough evidence to point to the probability of intelligent life existing anywhere else .
I personally believe there is , but that is purely because the notion appeals to me .
We do n't know enough to speak about this question except in the most hand-waving fashion.But I can think of two really good reasons for them to have this argument .
First , it forces the people having this argument to confront the meaning of their beliefs .
How many people ever bother to do that , even if they 're right ( I 'm speaking to * you * whoever you are reading this ) ?
There are three general classes of views consistent with some kind of belief in the Bible that I can think of.1 ) The Bible is history , and other intelligent life may have fallen as humanity did in the Garden , but we may meet aliens living in a state of grace.2 ) The Bible is history , but other intelligent life fell with humanity through some unexplained mechanism .
Note that in this formulation Adam and Eve would n't necessarily be of the human species , if we interpret " mankind " to be " rational creatures " .3 ) The Bible is mythology .
In this view , the myth of the Garden speaks to us about the nature of being a rational being .
It was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that exiled us from our animal state , therefore any creature capable of distinguishing good and evil is fallen and needs redemption.Now here is the second reason I can think of for having this argument : we are going to meet non-human intelligent beings very soon .
We 'll have created them .
Are they persons ?
Can we own an intelligent computer program , or a machine on which an intelligent program runs ?
Can the ethics we have developed over the centuries apply to them at all ?
That 's not a scientific question , although scientific opinion has a bearing on this ( e.g .
we have evidence now that great apes are self-aware in ways that few animals other than humans are ) .Discussing the nature of personhood in the context of a * naturally occurring * entity would be an important intermediate case .
It would allow us to dispense with the distraction that " we made these things out of nuts and bolts and wire so it belongs to us .
" Of course , that never stopped people from enslaving indigenous human populations they ran across , but hopefully most of us are beyond that now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouldn't be having this argument?Really?I don't think we have enough evidence to point to the probability of intelligent life existing anywhere else.
I personally believe there is, but that is purely because the notion appeals to me.
We don't know enough to speak about this question except in the most hand-waving fashion.But I can think of two really good reasons for them to have this argument.
First, it forces the people having this argument to confront the meaning of their beliefs.
How many people ever bother to do that, even if they're right (I'm speaking to *you* whoever you are reading this)?
There are three general classes of views consistent with some kind of belief in the Bible that I can think of.1) The Bible is history, and other intelligent life may have fallen as humanity did in the Garden, but we may meet aliens living in a state of grace.2) The Bible is history, but other intelligent life fell with humanity through some unexplained mechanism.
Note that in this formulation Adam and Eve wouldn't necessarily be of the human species, if we interpret "mankind" to be "rational creatures".3) The Bible is mythology.
In this view, the myth of the Garden speaks to us about the nature of being a rational being.
It was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that exiled us from our animal state, therefore any creature capable of distinguishing good and evil is fallen and needs redemption.Now here is the second reason I can think of for having this argument: we are going to meet non-human intelligent beings very soon.
We'll have created them.
Are they persons?
Can we own an intelligent computer program, or a machine on which an intelligent program runs?
Can the ethics we have developed over the centuries apply to them at all?
That's not a scientific question, although scientific opinion has a bearing on this (e.g.
we have evidence now that great apes are self-aware in ways that few animals other than humans are).Discussing the nature of personhood in the context of a *naturally occurring* entity would be an important intermediate case.
It would allow us to dispense with the distraction that "we made these things out of nuts and bolts and wire so it belongs to us.
"   Of course, that never stopped people from enslaving indigenous human populations they ran across, but hopefully most of us are beyond that now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30099294</id>
	<title>Re:The problem with religion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258226280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice attempt.  Your philosophical treatise might carry more weight had you taken the time to get some basic facts straight:</p><p>2000 year old book - no.  The book itself claims to be about 3500 years old.  </p><p>You don't accept that?  OK, let's go for external evidence.  Dead Sea Scrolls show it to be at least 2500 years old.  Now apply the same standard to all ancient literature and see what you have left.</p><p>P.S. To all the Slashdot "Intellectuals":</p><p>How can anyone claim to be intellectual and not take the time to read the classic of all classic literature?<br>
&nbsp; I know, "you disagree with it," "it's full of fairy tales," and "people disagree about the meaning."  Tell me, how can you intelligently disagree with something you've never read, let alone comprehended?</p><p>So blatantly false?  So prove it.  Easy PhD.  Do the world a favor.<br>(Or could there be something you are missing?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice attempt .
Your philosophical treatise might carry more weight had you taken the time to get some basic facts straight : 2000 year old book - no .
The book itself claims to be about 3500 years old .
You do n't accept that ?
OK , let 's go for external evidence .
Dead Sea Scrolls show it to be at least 2500 years old .
Now apply the same standard to all ancient literature and see what you have left.P.S .
To all the Slashdot " Intellectuals " : How can anyone claim to be intellectual and not take the time to read the classic of all classic literature ?
  I know , " you disagree with it , " " it 's full of fairy tales , " and " people disagree about the meaning .
" Tell me , how can you intelligently disagree with something you 've never read , let alone comprehended ? So blatantly false ?
So prove it .
Easy PhD .
Do the world a favor .
( Or could there be something you are missing ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice attempt.
Your philosophical treatise might carry more weight had you taken the time to get some basic facts straight:2000 year old book - no.
The book itself claims to be about 3500 years old.
You don't accept that?
OK, let's go for external evidence.
Dead Sea Scrolls show it to be at least 2500 years old.
Now apply the same standard to all ancient literature and see what you have left.P.S.
To all the Slashdot "Intellectuals":How can anyone claim to be intellectual and not take the time to read the classic of all classic literature?
  I know, "you disagree with it," "it's full of fairy tales," and "people disagree about the meaning.
"  Tell me, how can you intelligently disagree with something you've never read, let alone comprehended?So blatantly false?
So prove it.
Easy PhD.
Do the world a favor.
(Or could there be something you are missing?
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097222</id>
	<title>nothing to debate...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258211880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is nothing to debate...<br>it was proved multiple times that live in the universe exists, it's just that the one we've found is bacteria-like.<br>still, life.</p><p>can't they actually find something to do insead of finding something to discuss?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is nothing to debate...it was proved multiple times that live in the universe exists , it 's just that the one we 've found is bacteria-like.still , life.ca n't they actually find something to do insead of finding something to discuss ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is nothing to debate...it was proved multiple times that live in the universe exists, it's just that the one we've found is bacteria-like.still, life.can't they actually find something to do insead of finding something to discuss?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096840</id>
	<title>The alien god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258208460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>God is an alien - no doubt - cause no human has laid eyes upon him. That should stop the debate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>God is an alien - no doubt - cause no human has laid eyes upon him .
That should stop the debate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>God is an alien - no doubt - cause no human has laid eyes upon him.
That should stop the debate.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097994</id>
	<title>What if Aliens claim to have the real Jesus?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258218600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does it mean Vatican will get sued for copyright violations and must give up all their pirates domains and ill gotten wills?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it mean Vatican will get sued for copyright violations and must give up all their pirates domains and ill gotten wills ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it mean Vatican will get sued for copyright violations and must give up all their pirates domains and ill gotten wills?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097048</id>
	<title>Re:Wow...</title>
	<author>Shin-LaC</author>
	<datestamp>1258210380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I live in my mom's basement, but I'm 15.</p></div><p>Oh, we can tell.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in my mom 's basement , but I 'm 15.Oh , we can tell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in my mom's basement, but I'm 15.Oh, we can tell.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098210</id>
	<title>Re:You know what this means!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258219980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not as ridiculous as you think because if you're an intelligent alien life form and you want to eventually reveal yourself publicly to the world, who would you want to contact first? Besides political leaders and military leaders, it <i>has</i> to be the highest religious authorities because such a revelation would cause a gigantic shock in the belief system of the locals living on that planet. As such, I would not be surprised if the extraterrestrials may have been quietly communicating with the likes of the Pope, the Archbishop of Cantebury (who heads the Anglican Church), the major imans and mullahs in the two major sects of Islam, the Patriarch of Moscow (who leads the Russian Orthodox Church), the Dalai Lama, and so on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not as ridiculous as you think because if you 're an intelligent alien life form and you want to eventually reveal yourself publicly to the world , who would you want to contact first ?
Besides political leaders and military leaders , it has to be the highest religious authorities because such a revelation would cause a gigantic shock in the belief system of the locals living on that planet .
As such , I would not be surprised if the extraterrestrials may have been quietly communicating with the likes of the Pope , the Archbishop of Cantebury ( who heads the Anglican Church ) , the major imans and mullahs in the two major sects of Islam , the Patriarch of Moscow ( who leads the Russian Orthodox Church ) , the Dalai Lama , and so on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not as ridiculous as you think because if you're an intelligent alien life form and you want to eventually reveal yourself publicly to the world, who would you want to contact first?
Besides political leaders and military leaders, it has to be the highest religious authorities because such a revelation would cause a gigantic shock in the belief system of the locals living on that planet.
As such, I would not be surprised if the extraterrestrials may have been quietly communicating with the likes of the Pope, the Archbishop of Cantebury (who heads the Anglican Church), the major imans and mullahs in the two major sects of Islam, the Patriarch of Moscow (who leads the Russian Orthodox Church), the Dalai Lama, and so on.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097352</id>
	<title>hmmmm..</title>
	<author>SuperDre</author>
	<datestamp>1258212840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>The biggest question for me is: Why now?

Is there something they know and therefore have to debate before it is made being public to the world? because if there would be such news it would be in the best interest for 'the church' to first have a believable reaction/interpretation of the bible before such news is made public, as it concerns a pretty big group of humans which believe in such fictional work as the bible. And ofcourse those lemmings (uh i mean people) would also maybe wonder about their faith, which can result in panic and mayhem if it isn't dealt with correctly..</htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest question for me is : Why now ?
Is there something they know and therefore have to debate before it is made being public to the world ?
because if there would be such news it would be in the best interest for 'the church ' to first have a believable reaction/interpretation of the bible before such news is made public , as it concerns a pretty big group of humans which believe in such fictional work as the bible .
And ofcourse those lemmings ( uh i mean people ) would also maybe wonder about their faith , which can result in panic and mayhem if it is n't dealt with correctly. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest question for me is: Why now?
Is there something they know and therefore have to debate before it is made being public to the world?
because if there would be such news it would be in the best interest for 'the church' to first have a believable reaction/interpretation of the bible before such news is made public, as it concerns a pretty big group of humans which believe in such fictional work as the bible.
And ofcourse those lemmings (uh i mean people) would also maybe wonder about their faith, which can result in panic and mayhem if it isn't dealt with correctly..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098784</id>
	<title>God created more than the Earth...</title>
	<author>dtjohnson</author>
	<datestamp>1258223100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Catholic Church teaches that God created the universe.  Therefore, God created all life everywhere and we can expect that life found off of Earth will be similar in appearance to life as we know it.  This would also imply that there is a certain predestination in the journey of life...which is what we see in evolution where the same complex functional structure evolves independently at different times in the fossil record.  A fish swimming in an ocean on another world is likely to have the same overall structure that a fish on Earth has, although with differences created by the environment in which it developed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Catholic Church teaches that God created the universe .
Therefore , God created all life everywhere and we can expect that life found off of Earth will be similar in appearance to life as we know it .
This would also imply that there is a certain predestination in the journey of life...which is what we see in evolution where the same complex functional structure evolves independently at different times in the fossil record .
A fish swimming in an ocean on another world is likely to have the same overall structure that a fish on Earth has , although with differences created by the environment in which it developed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Catholic Church teaches that God created the universe.
Therefore, God created all life everywhere and we can expect that life found off of Earth will be similar in appearance to life as we know it.
This would also imply that there is a certain predestination in the journey of life...which is what we see in evolution where the same complex functional structure evolves independently at different times in the fossil record.
A fish swimming in an ocean on another world is likely to have the same overall structure that a fish on Earth has, although with differences created by the environment in which it developed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30107092</id>
	<title>One of the interesting side effects of ...</title>
	<author>RockDoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1258312620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>... discovering unarguably intelligent alien life would be the intra-religion schisms that it would provoke between the different human theological camps.<br>Watching the "designed in Bog's own image" bandits would also be entertaining, as they try to come up with an image of a Bog which can simultaneously have humans and the BugBlatter Beast of Traal as images.<br>The one result, theologically, that would be really disturbing (I say this in the spirit of Popperian falsifiability, not because I think it's probable) would be if our alien friends with the 7-fold rotational symmetry (or whatever form they have) turned out to have a religion that was directly translatable into, say, the tales of the Norse Pantheon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... discovering unarguably intelligent alien life would be the intra-religion schisms that it would provoke between the different human theological camps.Watching the " designed in Bog 's own image " bandits would also be entertaining , as they try to come up with an image of a Bog which can simultaneously have humans and the BugBlatter Beast of Traal as images.The one result , theologically , that would be really disturbing ( I say this in the spirit of Popperian falsifiability , not because I think it 's probable ) would be if our alien friends with the 7-fold rotational symmetry ( or whatever form they have ) turned out to have a religion that was directly translatable into , say , the tales of the Norse Pantheon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... discovering unarguably intelligent alien life would be the intra-religion schisms that it would provoke between the different human theological camps.Watching the "designed in Bog's own image" bandits would also be entertaining, as they try to come up with an image of a Bog which can simultaneously have humans and the BugBlatter Beast of Traal as images.The one result, theologically, that would be really disturbing (I say this in the spirit of Popperian falsifiability, not because I think it's probable) would be if our alien friends with the 7-fold rotational symmetry (or whatever form they have) turned out to have a religion that was directly translatable into, say, the tales of the Norse Pantheon.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096830</id>
	<title>Is it just me</title>
	<author>IrquiM</author>
	<datestamp>1258208340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>or is this just a "cover our own backs" maneuver to avoid what happened with Galileo, Copernicus and others? Those cases weren't exactly the best publicity they've had.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or is this just a " cover our own backs " maneuver to avoid what happened with Galileo , Copernicus and others ?
Those cases were n't exactly the best publicity they 've had .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or is this just a "cover our own backs" maneuver to avoid what happened with Galileo, Copernicus and others?
Those cases weren't exactly the best publicity they've had.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30106846</id>
	<title>Chuck Norris says aliens don't exist.</title>
	<author>master\_p</author>
	<datestamp>1258310760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the Vatican insists, Chuck will kill the Pope with a roundhouse kick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the Vatican insists , Chuck will kill the Pope with a roundhouse kick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the Vatican insists, Chuck will kill the Pope with a roundhouse kick.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096926</id>
	<title>Re:Is it just me</title>
	<author>Schiphol</author>
	<datestamp>1258209420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>It doesn't need to be all driven by dishonesty. There may be also the sheer intellectual interest in knowing what follows from a body of doctrine once you add an extra ingredient. It's surely idle -for non-believers, I mean- but it may be an honest piece of harmless fun.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't need to be all driven by dishonesty .
There may be also the sheer intellectual interest in knowing what follows from a body of doctrine once you add an extra ingredient .
It 's surely idle -for non-believers , I mean- but it may be an honest piece of harmless fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't need to be all driven by dishonesty.
There may be also the sheer intellectual interest in knowing what follows from a body of doctrine once you add an extra ingredient.
It's surely idle -for non-believers, I mean- but it may be an honest piece of harmless fun.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096934</id>
	<title>Re:Wow...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258209480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You might like this debate, especially when Stephen Fry chimes in. Fucking hands the pro-Catholic camp their asses on a plate<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvZz\_pxZ2lw" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvZz\_pxZ2lw</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You might like this debate , especially when Stephen Fry chimes in .
Fucking hands the pro-Catholic camp their asses on a plate : ) http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = PvZz \ _pxZ2lw [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might like this debate, especially when Stephen Fry chimes in.
Fucking hands the pro-Catholic camp their asses on a plate :)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvZz\_pxZ2lw [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30103628</id>
	<title>Re:Catholics: Prepare to be assimilated.</title>
	<author>MacWiz</author>
	<datestamp>1258218720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A scenario similar to this was the first thing that popped into my mind, too. Mine involved aliens going door-to-door with copies of the Watchtower.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A scenario similar to this was the first thing that popped into my mind , too .
Mine involved aliens going door-to-door with copies of the Watchtower .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A scenario similar to this was the first thing that popped into my mind, too.
Mine involved aliens going door-to-door with copies of the Watchtower.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097164</id>
	<title>Re:Wow...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258211340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"[...] your fucking stupid [...]"</p><p>Classic. I agree with what you're saying, but when you insult people's intelligence, try not to make one of the stupidest and most easily avoidable mistakes in the english language at the same time.</p><p>If you can say "you are fucking stupid" (and I sure can in this case), then you write "you're". If you can't, like in "your stupidity", then you write your.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" [ ... ] your fucking stupid [ ... ] " Classic .
I agree with what you 're saying , but when you insult people 's intelligence , try not to make one of the stupidest and most easily avoidable mistakes in the english language at the same time.If you can say " you are fucking stupid " ( and I sure can in this case ) , then you write " you 're " .
If you ca n't , like in " your stupidity " , then you write your .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"[...] your fucking stupid [...]"Classic.
I agree with what you're saying, but when you insult people's intelligence, try not to make one of the stupidest and most easily avoidable mistakes in the english language at the same time.If you can say "you are fucking stupid" (and I sure can in this case), then you write "you're".
If you can't, like in "your stupidity", then you write your.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30103040</id>
	<title>A bold prediction</title>
	<author>quantaman</author>
	<datestamp>1258212540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whatever conclusions they come to will be completely non-falsifiable and compatible with whatever sort of alien life that we could potentially encounter!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whatever conclusions they come to will be completely non-falsifiable and compatible with whatever sort of alien life that we could potentially encounter !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whatever conclusions they come to will be completely non-falsifiable and compatible with whatever sort of alien life that we could potentially encounter!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097642</id>
	<title>This looks like a job for ...</title>
	<author>ubrgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1258215300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert\_Langdon" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Robert Langdon</a> [wikipedia.org] If anyone can get to the bottom of this conspiracy, it's gotta be him!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Robert Langdon [ wikipedia.org ] If anyone can get to the bottom of this conspiracy , it 's got ta be him !
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Robert Langdon [wikipedia.org] If anyone can get to the bottom of this conspiracy, it's gotta be him!
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097488</id>
	<title>Re:Two words: Giordano Bruno</title>
	<author>bjackson1</author>
	<datestamp>1258213920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except, of course, he wasn't burned at the stake for anything to do with an infinite universe or aliens...  From what I can read on Wikipedia it had to do with public heresy none of which seem directly related to anything scientific.  Also, the Catholic Church did not execute them, the secular authorities did, against the advice of the Church.</p><p>I'm not saying it's a particurally glorious moment in the history of the Church, but a march against science isn't what it was.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except , of course , he was n't burned at the stake for anything to do with an infinite universe or aliens... From what I can read on Wikipedia it had to do with public heresy none of which seem directly related to anything scientific .
Also , the Catholic Church did not execute them , the secular authorities did , against the advice of the Church.I 'm not saying it 's a particurally glorious moment in the history of the Church , but a march against science is n't what it was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except, of course, he wasn't burned at the stake for anything to do with an infinite universe or aliens...  From what I can read on Wikipedia it had to do with public heresy none of which seem directly related to anything scientific.
Also, the Catholic Church did not execute them, the secular authorities did, against the advice of the Church.I'm not saying it's a particurally glorious moment in the history of the Church, but a march against science isn't what it was.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097922</id>
	<title>Re:Wow...</title>
	<author>ZonkerWilliam</author>
	<datestamp>1258217880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your kidding right? Catholics did not kill 'millions'. Where did you here that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your kidding right ?
Catholics did not kill 'millions' .
Where did you here that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your kidding right?
Catholics did not kill 'millions'.
Where did you here that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096882</id>
	<title>Slashdot, news for people who didn't watch CNN</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258208940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>   Yep, here you go, breaking news if you didn't watch CNN last night. Instead of reading the article, you can watch the youtube video for this story <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDJNrZ3NtqQ" title="youtube.com">here</a> [youtube.com]. Or you can read iReport and get the story <a href="http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-22054" title="ireport.com">here</a> [ireport.com].</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Either way, remember, slashdot is where you'll get yesterday's tabloid news today.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , here you go , breaking news if you did n't watch CNN last night .
Instead of reading the article , you can watch the youtube video for this story here [ youtube.com ] .
Or you can read iReport and get the story here [ ireport.com ] .
      Either way , remember , slashdot is where you 'll get yesterday 's tabloid news today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>   Yep, here you go, breaking news if you didn't watch CNN last night.
Instead of reading the article, you can watch the youtube video for this story here [youtube.com].
Or you can read iReport and get the story here [ireport.com].
      Either way, remember, slashdot is where you'll get yesterday's tabloid news today.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098476</id>
	<title>Re:So the bullshitters change their story.</title>
	<author>quadelirus</author>
	<datestamp>1258221360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In droves, huh? Reference, please?</htmltext>
<tokenext>In droves , huh ?
Reference , please ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In droves, huh?
Reference, please?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097454</id>
	<title>If there is a god</title>
	<author>Daft\_dutch</author>
	<datestamp>1258213680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>its most likely that god created the big bang.
So whether or not there is alien life, God knows.

But earth and our solar system is a darn special place.
Gas giants at the out side a happy shining star.
earth with a good sized moon.

"God created man in his own image"
I think the general perspective is way to three dimensional.
We are Aware of Gods creation and can use, explore, interact, dream about that.
Dolphin's live in life bubbles called oceans.

So what if there was an Ugly alien with eyes on tentacles hiking around in the grand canyons and thinks "WOW amazing".</htmltext>
<tokenext>its most likely that god created the big bang .
So whether or not there is alien life , God knows .
But earth and our solar system is a darn special place .
Gas giants at the out side a happy shining star .
earth with a good sized moon .
" God created man in his own image " I think the general perspective is way to three dimensional .
We are Aware of Gods creation and can use , explore , interact , dream about that .
Dolphin 's live in life bubbles called oceans .
So what if there was an Ugly alien with eyes on tentacles hiking around in the grand canyons and thinks " WOW amazing " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>its most likely that god created the big bang.
So whether or not there is alien life, God knows.
But earth and our solar system is a darn special place.
Gas giants at the out side a happy shining star.
earth with a good sized moon.
"God created man in his own image"
I think the general perspective is way to three dimensional.
We are Aware of Gods creation and can use, explore, interact, dream about that.
Dolphin's live in life bubbles called oceans.
So what if there was an Ugly alien with eyes on tentacles hiking around in the grand canyons and thinks "WOW amazing".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097332</id>
	<title>Does it matter?</title>
	<author>Mahalalel</author>
	<datestamp>1258212660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The whole point is moot anyway until life is discovered on other planets. Does the Vatican just think that we're close to that discovery? Why debate something that is still hypothetical when making a decision now will affect absolutely nothing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The whole point is moot anyway until life is discovered on other planets .
Does the Vatican just think that we 're close to that discovery ?
Why debate something that is still hypothetical when making a decision now will affect absolutely nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The whole point is moot anyway until life is discovered on other planets.
Does the Vatican just think that we're close to that discovery?
Why debate something that is still hypothetical when making a decision now will affect absolutely nothing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30100020</id>
	<title>Fools</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258230960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A religious 'debate' is an argument about nothing. No facts? well don't bother arguing then.<br>Religion is a terrible affliction. I truly pity those cursed with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A religious 'debate ' is an argument about nothing .
No facts ?
well do n't bother arguing then.Religion is a terrible affliction .
I truly pity those cursed with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A religious 'debate' is an argument about nothing.
No facts?
well don't bother arguing then.Religion is a terrible affliction.
I truly pity those cursed with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097430</id>
	<title>He got burned for more than that.</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1258213560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know a lot of critics of the church like to hold Brunu up as an example of Catholic badness, but, the guy was a dick.  When he wrote what he wrote, he wasn't just doing it to be some sort of a scientist, he was playing politics and trying to dick with the Pope. You don't dick with the Pope, or you get burned, that's the deal.</p><p>As it is, historically, it seems that the farther people get removed from the Catholic church, the more people get killed. Let's say, sure, that the Catholics killed a couple of dudes in the Inquisition.  Cry me a river.  But then, you get Protestants slaughtering people left and right in all the holy wars that followed, that they started, then, come the 19th century, you start to see the completely secular, and godless, communists, socialists and nazis all as supremely liberal groups, and they slaughtered people like ants.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know a lot of critics of the church like to hold Brunu up as an example of Catholic badness , but , the guy was a dick .
When he wrote what he wrote , he was n't just doing it to be some sort of a scientist , he was playing politics and trying to dick with the Pope .
You do n't dick with the Pope , or you get burned , that 's the deal.As it is , historically , it seems that the farther people get removed from the Catholic church , the more people get killed .
Let 's say , sure , that the Catholics killed a couple of dudes in the Inquisition .
Cry me a river .
But then , you get Protestants slaughtering people left and right in all the holy wars that followed , that they started , then , come the 19th century , you start to see the completely secular , and godless , communists , socialists and nazis all as supremely liberal groups , and they slaughtered people like ants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know a lot of critics of the church like to hold Brunu up as an example of Catholic badness, but, the guy was a dick.
When he wrote what he wrote, he wasn't just doing it to be some sort of a scientist, he was playing politics and trying to dick with the Pope.
You don't dick with the Pope, or you get burned, that's the deal.As it is, historically, it seems that the farther people get removed from the Catholic church, the more people get killed.
Let's say, sure, that the Catholics killed a couple of dudes in the Inquisition.
Cry me a river.
But then, you get Protestants slaughtering people left and right in all the holy wars that followed, that they started, then, come the 19th century, you start to see the completely secular, and godless, communists, socialists and nazis all as supremely liberal groups, and they slaughtered people like ants.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098958</id>
	<title>Re:The problem with religion</title>
	<author>greyhueofdoubt</author>
	<datestamp>1258224060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If we ever do have the pleasure of meeting some of them, we'll probably do what we've done throughout our entire history of existence.</p></div><p>What if the aliens do what *we've* done throughout our history and comes as missionaries?</p><p>I'd like to listen to the council argue over what to do when the first undeniable proof of extraterrestrial life comes bearing 'the good news'.</p><p>-b</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If we ever do have the pleasure of meeting some of them , we 'll probably do what we 've done throughout our entire history of existence.What if the aliens do what * we 've * done throughout our history and comes as missionaries ? I 'd like to listen to the council argue over what to do when the first undeniable proof of extraterrestrial life comes bearing 'the good news'.-b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we ever do have the pleasure of meeting some of them, we'll probably do what we've done throughout our entire history of existence.What if the aliens do what *we've* done throughout our history and comes as missionaries?I'd like to listen to the council argue over what to do when the first undeniable proof of extraterrestrial life comes bearing 'the good news'.-b
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30101414</id>
	<title>Re:Third group</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258198140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What about the possibility that alien species have not Fallen or suffered from Original Sin?</p></div><p>What about the possibility that the human species have not Fallen or suffered from Original Sin?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about the possibility that alien species have not Fallen or suffered from Original Sin ? What about the possibility that the human species have not Fallen or suffered from Original Sin ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about the possibility that alien species have not Fallen or suffered from Original Sin?What about the possibility that the human species have not Fallen or suffered from Original Sin?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097280</id>
	<title>Catholicism is a terristrial phenomenon</title>
	<author>Bryson</author>
	<datestamp>1258212360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whether intelligent societies elsewhere in the universe developed religions comparably to how we did is perhaps an interesting question. Trying to apply some of our historical myths to beings who evolved completely independently from ourselves is just nonsense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whether intelligent societies elsewhere in the universe developed religions comparably to how we did is perhaps an interesting question .
Trying to apply some of our historical myths to beings who evolved completely independently from ourselves is just nonsense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whether intelligent societies elsewhere in the universe developed religions comparably to how we did is perhaps an interesting question.
Trying to apply some of our historical myths to beings who evolved completely independently from ourselves is just nonsense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098264</id>
	<title>One point of view</title>
	<author>FiloEleven</author>
	<datestamp>1258220220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not Catholic, but even when I was active in the Protestant church I had resolved two of these issues.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Among other things, extremely alien-looking aliens would be hard to fit with the idea that God 'made man in his own image'</p></div><p>Perhaps Catholics interpret that statement differently.  I was always taught that "in God's image" didn't mean a head, two legs, two arms, and presumably a penis since they always call God a "he."  Instead, God's image means the ability for cognition, rational thought, compassion, love, and free will.  Aliens, no matter their shape, would be made in God's image as well if they were intelligent.  Of course the probability that there would be mutual comprehension is very small, so it's just as likely that they would be seen as the spawn of Satan.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Jesus Christ's role as savior would be confused; would other worlds have their own Christ-figures, or would Earth's Christ be universal?</p></div><p>This strikes me as a false dichotomy.  C. S. Lewis in his <em>Space</em> trilogy hypothesized aliens that had no need of a Christ figure because they never "fell."  In that series, the aliens all know of Christ and have a sense of fear and wonder about our planet, so mired in bad deeds yet the site of the lorious incarnation.</p><p>Robert Heinlein too gave a wonderful description of aliens (and one human) who did not need redemption in <em>Stranger in a Strange Land</em>.  Those who strictly follow the rules laid out in the Bible might disagree, but I believe that Valentine Michael Smith exemplifies Jesus' teachings so well that he met the same fate for the same reasons: the world at large is not ready for such a radical way of life.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not Catholic , but even when I was active in the Protestant church I had resolved two of these issues.Among other things , extremely alien-looking aliens would be hard to fit with the idea that God 'made man in his own image'Perhaps Catholics interpret that statement differently .
I was always taught that " in God 's image " did n't mean a head , two legs , two arms , and presumably a penis since they always call God a " he .
" Instead , God 's image means the ability for cognition , rational thought , compassion , love , and free will .
Aliens , no matter their shape , would be made in God 's image as well if they were intelligent .
Of course the probability that there would be mutual comprehension is very small , so it 's just as likely that they would be seen as the spawn of Satan.Jesus Christ 's role as savior would be confused ; would other worlds have their own Christ-figures , or would Earth 's Christ be universal ? This strikes me as a false dichotomy .
C. S. Lewis in his Space trilogy hypothesized aliens that had no need of a Christ figure because they never " fell .
" In that series , the aliens all know of Christ and have a sense of fear and wonder about our planet , so mired in bad deeds yet the site of the lorious incarnation.Robert Heinlein too gave a wonderful description of aliens ( and one human ) who did not need redemption in Stranger in a Strange Land .
Those who strictly follow the rules laid out in the Bible might disagree , but I believe that Valentine Michael Smith exemplifies Jesus ' teachings so well that he met the same fate for the same reasons : the world at large is not ready for such a radical way of life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not Catholic, but even when I was active in the Protestant church I had resolved two of these issues.Among other things, extremely alien-looking aliens would be hard to fit with the idea that God 'made man in his own image'Perhaps Catholics interpret that statement differently.
I was always taught that "in God's image" didn't mean a head, two legs, two arms, and presumably a penis since they always call God a "he.
"  Instead, God's image means the ability for cognition, rational thought, compassion, love, and free will.
Aliens, no matter their shape, would be made in God's image as well if they were intelligent.
Of course the probability that there would be mutual comprehension is very small, so it's just as likely that they would be seen as the spawn of Satan.Jesus Christ's role as savior would be confused; would other worlds have their own Christ-figures, or would Earth's Christ be universal?This strikes me as a false dichotomy.
C. S. Lewis in his Space trilogy hypothesized aliens that had no need of a Christ figure because they never "fell.
"  In that series, the aliens all know of Christ and have a sense of fear and wonder about our planet, so mired in bad deeds yet the site of the lorious incarnation.Robert Heinlein too gave a wonderful description of aliens (and one human) who did not need redemption in Stranger in a Strange Land.
Those who strictly follow the rules laid out in the Bible might disagree, but I believe that Valentine Michael Smith exemplifies Jesus' teachings so well that he met the same fate for the same reasons: the world at large is not ready for such a radical way of life.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097524</id>
	<title>The honest answer to aliens, God, etc.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258214160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have probably all the possible theories pro and con what our human mind can come up with in our current context - and motivated with all varieties of ideological, political, etc. interests.</p><p>The honest answer is that we just simply do not KNOW.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have probably all the possible theories pro and con what our human mind can come up with in our current context - and motivated with all varieties of ideological , political , etc .
interests.The honest answer is that we just simply do not KNOW .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have probably all the possible theories pro and con what our human mind can come up with in our current context - and motivated with all varieties of ideological, political, etc.
interests.The honest answer is that we just simply do not KNOW.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30098582</id>
	<title>Consider the other side..</title>
	<author>G-LOC</author>
	<datestamp>1258222080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lets suppose for a second the following:
<br>1. Alien life exists.
<br>2. Evolutionary factors made religion useful in the alien culture.
<br>3. They looked outside their planet for alien life to answer life the universe and everything questions.
<br>4. Hey there is "earth". Scout ship pronounces it "mostly harmless".
<br>5. Religious types in alien culture are obligated to spread the word of god.
<br>6. Missionary aliens arrive, destroy all churches/temples/holy men/infidels/etc and mention of religion other than their one true word.
<br>6.1. Establish the 600 Club.
<br>6.2. You guessed it.
<br>7. Everyone on earth knows the divine word.

<br>[no relation to any South Parks episodes. Honest.]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets suppose for a second the following : 1 .
Alien life exists .
2. Evolutionary factors made religion useful in the alien culture .
3. They looked outside their planet for alien life to answer life the universe and everything questions .
4. Hey there is " earth " .
Scout ship pronounces it " mostly harmless " .
5. Religious types in alien culture are obligated to spread the word of god .
6. Missionary aliens arrive , destroy all churches/temples/holy men/infidels/etc and mention of religion other than their one true word .
6.1. Establish the 600 Club .
6.2. You guessed it .
7. Everyone on earth knows the divine word .
[ no relation to any South Parks episodes .
Honest. ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets suppose for a second the following:
1.
Alien life exists.
2. Evolutionary factors made religion useful in the alien culture.
3. They looked outside their planet for alien life to answer life the universe and everything questions.
4. Hey there is "earth".
Scout ship pronounces it "mostly harmless".
5. Religious types in alien culture are obligated to spread the word of god.
6. Missionary aliens arrive, destroy all churches/temples/holy men/infidels/etc and mention of religion other than their one true word.
6.1. Establish the 600 Club.
6.2. You guessed it.
7. Everyone on earth knows the divine word.
[no relation to any South Parks episodes.
Honest.]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30096852</id>
	<title>I personally can't wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258208580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is likely that there are aliens. There are so many infinite universes and planets and solar systems that there must be other intelligent life. We don't know for sure if they exist, and vice versa. My thoughts are that they are likely superior to us. If they have UFOs and can travel millions of light years to find us, they probably have superior technology. But, being ignorant, conceited homo sapiens, most of us would think of them as inferior beings (think Linux gurus like Eric S. Raymond). We probably shouldn't refer to them as aliens - they would probably consider us aliens. Some of us would be smart enough to recognize them as normal, thinking, homosexual, living beings. Who knows? They may look just like us. They may fuck like us. Or they may be like the green aliens many of us draw and masturbate about with tentacle hentai. No one knows the facts, but there is at least a strong chance that other lifeforms exist out there. The usual argument for the non-existence of alien life is that none have openly contacted us here on Earth.</p><p>Advanced civilizations might have good reasons for not doing so, or, as could happen with us, they may have reached a point where they gave up on space exploration. If so, they would have ceased to exist once their parent star evolved and died. UFO's and eyewitness testimony notwithstanding, there is no positive evidence that the Earth is being visited, or has been visited, by intelligent extra-terrestrial aliens. Rob Malda is an alien, so the point is moot. Now, granted, he's a cocksucker alien nullo who takes it in the arse every chance he gets, but the point stands.</p><p>This is a commonly used theme for science fiction because life elsewhere in the universe is strongly probable. Yes there are. There's like 300 million galaxies out there. We are not alone. One important thing to consider is the vast distances between the stars. Even if there were an intelligent technical culture of organisms in our own Milky Way galaxy, it would take them many years traveling at the speed of light to get to us. By the time they arrived here their own home planet would have aged so much that they would not have any relatives they could remember when they returned.</p><p>About the only way we could be visited by extra-terrestrial beings is if they had the ability to manipulate both time and space. And the way to do that is with quantum physics. Then, maybe, our three dimensional world could be found among the million and traversed by going through the other dimensions. The current Superstring Theory suggests that there needs to be 10 dimensions plus time - the eleventh dimension.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is likely that there are aliens .
There are so many infinite universes and planets and solar systems that there must be other intelligent life .
We do n't know for sure if they exist , and vice versa .
My thoughts are that they are likely superior to us .
If they have UFOs and can travel millions of light years to find us , they probably have superior technology .
But , being ignorant , conceited homo sapiens , most of us would think of them as inferior beings ( think Linux gurus like Eric S. Raymond ) . We probably should n't refer to them as aliens - they would probably consider us aliens .
Some of us would be smart enough to recognize them as normal , thinking , homosexual , living beings .
Who knows ?
They may look just like us .
They may fuck like us .
Or they may be like the green aliens many of us draw and masturbate about with tentacle hentai .
No one knows the facts , but there is at least a strong chance that other lifeforms exist out there .
The usual argument for the non-existence of alien life is that none have openly contacted us here on Earth.Advanced civilizations might have good reasons for not doing so , or , as could happen with us , they may have reached a point where they gave up on space exploration .
If so , they would have ceased to exist once their parent star evolved and died .
UFO 's and eyewitness testimony notwithstanding , there is no positive evidence that the Earth is being visited , or has been visited , by intelligent extra-terrestrial aliens .
Rob Malda is an alien , so the point is moot .
Now , granted , he 's a cocksucker alien nullo who takes it in the arse every chance he gets , but the point stands.This is a commonly used theme for science fiction because life elsewhere in the universe is strongly probable .
Yes there are .
There 's like 300 million galaxies out there .
We are not alone .
One important thing to consider is the vast distances between the stars .
Even if there were an intelligent technical culture of organisms in our own Milky Way galaxy , it would take them many years traveling at the speed of light to get to us .
By the time they arrived here their own home planet would have aged so much that they would not have any relatives they could remember when they returned.About the only way we could be visited by extra-terrestrial beings is if they had the ability to manipulate both time and space .
And the way to do that is with quantum physics .
Then , maybe , our three dimensional world could be found among the million and traversed by going through the other dimensions .
The current Superstring Theory suggests that there needs to be 10 dimensions plus time - the eleventh dimension .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is likely that there are aliens.
There are so many infinite universes and planets and solar systems that there must be other intelligent life.
We don't know for sure if they exist, and vice versa.
My thoughts are that they are likely superior to us.
If they have UFOs and can travel millions of light years to find us, they probably have superior technology.
But, being ignorant, conceited homo sapiens, most of us would think of them as inferior beings (think Linux gurus like Eric S. Raymond). We probably shouldn't refer to them as aliens - they would probably consider us aliens.
Some of us would be smart enough to recognize them as normal, thinking, homosexual, living beings.
Who knows?
They may look just like us.
They may fuck like us.
Or they may be like the green aliens many of us draw and masturbate about with tentacle hentai.
No one knows the facts, but there is at least a strong chance that other lifeforms exist out there.
The usual argument for the non-existence of alien life is that none have openly contacted us here on Earth.Advanced civilizations might have good reasons for not doing so, or, as could happen with us, they may have reached a point where they gave up on space exploration.
If so, they would have ceased to exist once their parent star evolved and died.
UFO's and eyewitness testimony notwithstanding, there is no positive evidence that the Earth is being visited, or has been visited, by intelligent extra-terrestrial aliens.
Rob Malda is an alien, so the point is moot.
Now, granted, he's a cocksucker alien nullo who takes it in the arse every chance he gets, but the point stands.This is a commonly used theme for science fiction because life elsewhere in the universe is strongly probable.
Yes there are.
There's like 300 million galaxies out there.
We are not alone.
One important thing to consider is the vast distances between the stars.
Even if there were an intelligent technical culture of organisms in our own Milky Way galaxy, it would take them many years traveling at the speed of light to get to us.
By the time they arrived here their own home planet would have aged so much that they would not have any relatives they could remember when they returned.About the only way we could be visited by extra-terrestrial beings is if they had the ability to manipulate both time and space.
And the way to do that is with quantum physics.
Then, maybe, our three dimensional world could be found among the million and traversed by going through the other dimensions.
The current Superstring Theory suggests that there needs to be 10 dimensions plus time - the eleventh dimension.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30101854</id>
	<title>God of the Gaps</title>
	<author>jwhitener</author>
	<datestamp>1258201440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God\_of\_the\_gaps</p><p>Seems to me this is just another example of a religious institution redesigning where their God fits into the gaps in current scientific knowledge.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/puts on tinfoil hat<br>What makes me curious though, is if this is being driven by an unannounced discovery? I've always wondered what the process would be if we really made contact with a higher life form, or even definitive proof of of a lesser life form.  Would NASA hold off telling the public and instead talk to religious leaders first to let them have time to integrate the findings?  Fear of panic? etc...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/puts hat away</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God \ _of \ _the \ _gapsSeems to me this is just another example of a religious institution redesigning where their God fits into the gaps in current scientific knowledge .
/puts on tinfoil hatWhat makes me curious though , is if this is being driven by an unannounced discovery ?
I 've always wondered what the process would be if we really made contact with a higher life form , or even definitive proof of of a lesser life form .
Would NASA hold off telling the public and instead talk to religious leaders first to let them have time to integrate the findings ?
Fear of panic ?
etc... /puts hat away</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God\_of\_the\_gapsSeems to me this is just another example of a religious institution redesigning where their God fits into the gaps in current scientific knowledge.
/puts on tinfoil hatWhat makes me curious though, is if this is being driven by an unannounced discovery?
I've always wondered what the process would be if we really made contact with a higher life form, or even definitive proof of of a lesser life form.
Would NASA hold off telling the public and instead talk to religious leaders first to let them have time to integrate the findings?
Fear of panic?
etc... /puts hat away</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30102490</id>
	<title>Re:The problem with religion</title>
	<author>Gerafix</author>
	<datestamp>1258206360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ah yes, selective literalism is a Christian apologists favourite weapon of mass delusion. If they can't make it fit with reality then it's just a metaphor, but if it pushes their wacko ideology then it's literal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah yes , selective literalism is a Christian apologists favourite weapon of mass delusion .
If they ca n't make it fit with reality then it 's just a metaphor , but if it pushes their wacko ideology then it 's literal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah yes, selective literalism is a Christian apologists favourite weapon of mass delusion.
If they can't make it fit with reality then it's just a metaphor, but if it pushes their wacko ideology then it's literal.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097350</id>
	<title>Re:You know what this means!</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1258212840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In contact? Fffft, they are going to prepare us for a <a href="http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0905/the-emperor-of-catholicism-pope-emperor-ratzinger-palpatine-demotivational-poster-1241821780.jpg" title="motifake.com">much more intimidating truth</a> [motifake.com].</p><p>You think that similarity is a coincidence?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In contact ?
Fffft , they are going to prepare us for a much more intimidating truth [ motifake.com ] .You think that similarity is a coincidence ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In contact?
Fffft, they are going to prepare us for a much more intimidating truth [motifake.com].You think that similarity is a coincidence?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097894</id>
	<title>I thought  the salvation of aliens was understood.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258217700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Colossians 1 19,20</p><p>"For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him(Jesus),through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say,whether things on earth or things in HEAVEN."</p><p>In the Greek it is interesting that "HEAVEN" is plural...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Colossians 1 19,20 " For it was the Father 's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him ( Jesus ) ,through Him to reconcile all things to Himself , having made peace through the blood of His cross ; through Him , I say,whether things on earth or things in HEAVEN .
" In the Greek it is interesting that " HEAVEN " is plural.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Colossians 1 19,20"For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him(Jesus),through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say,whether things on earth or things in HEAVEN.
"In the Greek it is interesting that "HEAVEN" is plural...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097304</id>
	<title>Answers in Genesis perspective</title>
	<author>Maeric</author>
	<datestamp>1258212480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I rather like the perspective that Answers in Genesis takes about the search for alien life <i>(see article)</i>:
<br>
<br>http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v4/n4/search-alien-life
<br>
<br>Of course regardless of my belief, or anyone's lack of belief, what is will be and the truth will set you free.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I rather like the perspective that Answers in Genesis takes about the search for alien life ( see article ) : http : //www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v4/n4/search-alien-life Of course regardless of my belief , or anyone 's lack of belief , what is will be and the truth will set you free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I rather like the perspective that Answers in Genesis takes about the search for alien life (see article):

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v4/n4/search-alien-life

Of course regardless of my belief, or anyone's lack of belief, what is will be and the truth will set you free.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097772</id>
	<title>Re:So the bullshitters change their story.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258216560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I don't know if they're b.s.'ers or not (well @ times, like "indulgences"), but personally, I do believe there is a "higher power" out there, &amp; I call that being "GOD" (because something created this place we live in, &amp; whatever did so qualifies as GOD imo @ least).</p><p>[b]Now, on the topic here:[/b]</p><p>Hey, as my sister put it once "I don't see ANY passages in the Holy Bible that said 'we are God's only children', just that we're his favorites" (supposedly, oh the "overconfidence" &amp; "self-centeredness" of THAT statement imo @ least, on the latter part as to us being "God's favorites").</p><p>AND, I took that one to heart:  Assuming we are God's "favorite children", created in his image (the latter part is possible I suppose, but on favorites? Hey, who knows, except God), it doesn't mean we are his ONLY ones.</p><p>APK</p><p>P.S.=&gt; That's how I see it, &amp; I was raised "Roman Catholic" (but, I am not exactly a "strict practitioner" of it either, more of a "holiday hopper" as to attending mass etc. et al here)... I don't knock religion, but I can say that I knock WHAT HAS BEEN DONE BY MEN IN THE NAME OF RELIGION (indulgences mainly, per Martin Luther no less (if you guys know THAT little tale, then I rest my case on this account), so I don't practice catholicism "very strictly" in other words, but it is the "only way I know" for the MOST part, "hands on" (though I have read of other religions via classes I have taken in academia, which I was glad of, because I get a "picture" into "how the other 1/2(s) live"...)... apk</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if they 're b.s .
'ers or not ( well @ times , like " indulgences " ) , but personally , I do believe there is a " higher power " out there , &amp; I call that being " GOD " ( because something created this place we live in , &amp; whatever did so qualifies as GOD imo @ least ) .
[ b ] Now , on the topic here : [ /b ] Hey , as my sister put it once " I do n't see ANY passages in the Holy Bible that said 'we are God 's only children ' , just that we 're his favorites " ( supposedly , oh the " overconfidence " &amp; " self-centeredness " of THAT statement imo @ least , on the latter part as to us being " God 's favorites " ) .AND , I took that one to heart : Assuming we are God 's " favorite children " , created in his image ( the latter part is possible I suppose , but on favorites ?
Hey , who knows , except God ) , it does n't mean we are his ONLY ones.APKP.S. = &gt; That 's how I see it , &amp; I was raised " Roman Catholic " ( but , I am not exactly a " strict practitioner " of it either , more of a " holiday hopper " as to attending mass etc .
et al here ) ... I do n't knock religion , but I can say that I knock WHAT HAS BEEN DONE BY MEN IN THE NAME OF RELIGION ( indulgences mainly , per Martin Luther no less ( if you guys know THAT little tale , then I rest my case on this account ) , so I do n't practice catholicism " very strictly " in other words , but it is the " only way I know " for the MOST part , " hands on " ( though I have read of other religions via classes I have taken in academia , which I was glad of , because I get a " picture " into " how the other 1/2 ( s ) live " ... ) ... apk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if they're b.s.
'ers or not (well @ times, like "indulgences"), but personally, I do believe there is a "higher power" out there, &amp; I call that being "GOD" (because something created this place we live in, &amp; whatever did so qualifies as GOD imo @ least).
[b]Now, on the topic here:[/b]Hey, as my sister put it once "I don't see ANY passages in the Holy Bible that said 'we are God's only children', just that we're his favorites" (supposedly, oh the "overconfidence" &amp; "self-centeredness" of THAT statement imo @ least, on the latter part as to us being "God's favorites").AND, I took that one to heart:  Assuming we are God's "favorite children", created in his image (the latter part is possible I suppose, but on favorites?
Hey, who knows, except God), it doesn't mean we are his ONLY ones.APKP.S.=&gt; That's how I see it, &amp; I was raised "Roman Catholic" (but, I am not exactly a "strict practitioner" of it either, more of a "holiday hopper" as to attending mass etc.
et al here)... I don't knock religion, but I can say that I knock WHAT HAS BEEN DONE BY MEN IN THE NAME OF RELIGION (indulgences mainly, per Martin Luther no less (if you guys know THAT little tale, then I rest my case on this account), so I don't practice catholicism "very strictly" in other words, but it is the "only way I know" for the MOST part, "hands on" (though I have read of other religions via classes I have taken in academia, which I was glad of, because I get a "picture" into "how the other 1/2(s) live"...)... apk</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30097550</id>
	<title>Note to the Vatican:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258214460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The aliens that you are questioning the existence of, are the gods that are in the books you so value...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The aliens that you are questioning the existence of , are the gods that are in the books you so value.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The aliens that you are questioning the existence of, are the gods that are in the books you so value...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30100744</id>
	<title>Discovering America</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258192860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think that we can use our history to learn what happens when two cultures connect between them. (Terrestrials and aliens)<br>We have some models:<br>- Chinese vs Europeans: They were parallel cultures pretty independent between them who had trading. We can remember the chinese inventions we didn't got for centuries.<br>- Mexicans vs Europeans: They were independent cultures and the europeans were superior militarly and with the intentions of conquer. Here one of the cultures won over the other, and finally the religion and the culture is more european than native.</p><p>I think that something like this would happen in case we meet some foreign neighborhoods.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that we can use our history to learn what happens when two cultures connect between them .
( Terrestrials and aliens ) We have some models : - Chinese vs Europeans : They were parallel cultures pretty independent between them who had trading .
We can remember the chinese inventions we did n't got for centuries.- Mexicans vs Europeans : They were independent cultures and the europeans were superior militarly and with the intentions of conquer .
Here one of the cultures won over the other , and finally the religion and the culture is more european than native.I think that something like this would happen in case we meet some foreign neighborhoods .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that we can use our history to learn what happens when two cultures connect between them.
(Terrestrials and aliens)We have some models:- Chinese vs Europeans: They were parallel cultures pretty independent between them who had trading.
We can remember the chinese inventions we didn't got for centuries.- Mexicans vs Europeans: They were independent cultures and the europeans were superior militarly and with the intentions of conquer.
Here one of the cultures won over the other, and finally the religion and the culture is more european than native.I think that something like this would happen in case we meet some foreign neighborhoods.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_14_0343236.30099112</id>
	<title>Re:Third group</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258225020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What about the possibility that alien species have not Fallen or suffered from Original Sin?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Agrajag, the Bowl of Petunias, was Jesus.  Pontius Pilate ("What, why are you making me decide this?  I just wanted a nice cup of hot tea!") was Arthur Dent.
</p><p>
"Oh no, not again."<br>
- Jesus Christ, upon realizing He'd need to be nailed to the local equivalent of a tree, once for <em>every seperately-evolved sentient species in the Universe</em>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about the possibility that alien species have not Fallen or suffered from Original Sin ?
Agrajag , the Bowl of Petunias , was Jesus .
Pontius Pilate ( " What , why are you making me decide this ?
I just wanted a nice cup of hot tea !
" ) was Arthur Dent .
" Oh no , not again .
" - Jesus Christ , upon realizing He 'd need to be nailed to the local equivalent of a tree , once for every seperately-evolved sentient species in the Universe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about the possibility that alien species have not Fallen or suffered from Original Sin?
Agrajag, the Bowl of Petunias, was Jesus.
Pontius Pilate ("What, why are you making me decide this?
I just wanted a nice cup of hot tea!
") was Arthur Dent.
"Oh no, not again.
"
- Jesus Christ, upon realizing He'd need to be nailed to the local equivalent of a tree, once for every seperately-evolved sentient species in the Universe.
	</sentencetext>
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