<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_13_1440208</id>
	<title>Software Piracy At the Workplace?</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1258132680000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"What does one do when a good portion of the application software at your workplace is pirated? Bringing this up did not endear me at all to the president of the company. I was given a flat 'We don't pirate software,' and 'We must have paid for it at some point.' Given that I was only able to find one burnt copy of Office Pro with a Google-able CD-Key, and that version of Office is on at least 20 computers, I'm not convinced. Some of the legit software in the company has been installed on more than one computer, such as Adobe Acrobat. Nevertheless I have been called on to install dubious software on multiple occasions. As for shareware, what strategies do you use to convince management to allow the purchase of commonly used utilities? If an installation of WinZip reports thousands of uses, I think the software developer deserves a bit o' coin for it. When I told management that WinZip has a timeout counter that counts off one second per file previously opened, they tried to implement a policy of wait for it, do something else, and come back later, rather than spend the money. Also, some software is free for home and educational use only, like AVG Free. What do you when management ignores this?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " What does one do when a good portion of the application software at your workplace is pirated ?
Bringing this up did not endear me at all to the president of the company .
I was given a flat 'We do n't pirate software, ' and 'We must have paid for it at some point .
' Given that I was only able to find one burnt copy of Office Pro with a Google-able CD-Key , and that version of Office is on at least 20 computers , I 'm not convinced .
Some of the legit software in the company has been installed on more than one computer , such as Adobe Acrobat .
Nevertheless I have been called on to install dubious software on multiple occasions .
As for shareware , what strategies do you use to convince management to allow the purchase of commonly used utilities ?
If an installation of WinZip reports thousands of uses , I think the software developer deserves a bit o ' coin for it .
When I told management that WinZip has a timeout counter that counts off one second per file previously opened , they tried to implement a policy of wait for it , do something else , and come back later , rather than spend the money .
Also , some software is free for home and educational use only , like AVG Free .
What do you when management ignores this ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "What does one do when a good portion of the application software at your workplace is pirated?
Bringing this up did not endear me at all to the president of the company.
I was given a flat 'We don't pirate software,' and 'We must have paid for it at some point.
' Given that I was only able to find one burnt copy of Office Pro with a Google-able CD-Key, and that version of Office is on at least 20 computers, I'm not convinced.
Some of the legit software in the company has been installed on more than one computer, such as Adobe Acrobat.
Nevertheless I have been called on to install dubious software on multiple occasions.
As for shareware, what strategies do you use to convince management to allow the purchase of commonly used utilities?
If an installation of WinZip reports thousands of uses, I think the software developer deserves a bit o' coin for it.
When I told management that WinZip has a timeout counter that counts off one second per file previously opened, they tried to implement a policy of wait for it, do something else, and come back later, rather than spend the money.
Also, some software is free for home and educational use only, like AVG Free.
What do you when management ignores this?
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30107076</id>
	<title>Helpful Information.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258312500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.spa.org/index.php?option=com\_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=173&amp;Itemid=233</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.spa.org/index.php ? option = com \ _content&amp;view = article&amp;id = 173&amp;Itemid = 233</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.spa.org/index.php?option=com\_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=173&amp;Itemid=233</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30093208</id>
	<title>depends</title>
	<author>buddyglass</author>
	<datestamp>1258115280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they're pirating Microsoft software, then you should gleefully comply.  Because Microsoft is the devil and they deserve to get ripped off.</p><p>If they're pirating shareware software then you should report your bosses.  Because your bosses are the devil and the shareware authors deserve to be paid.</p><p>Thus sayeth the wisdom of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they 're pirating Microsoft software , then you should gleefully comply .
Because Microsoft is the devil and they deserve to get ripped off.If they 're pirating shareware software then you should report your bosses .
Because your bosses are the devil and the shareware authors deserve to be paid.Thus sayeth the wisdom of / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they're pirating Microsoft software, then you should gleefully comply.
Because Microsoft is the devil and they deserve to get ripped off.If they're pirating shareware software then you should report your bosses.
Because your bosses are the devil and the shareware authors deserve to be paid.Thus sayeth the wisdom of /.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089170</id>
	<title>Piracy</title>
	<author>suryatheSun</author>
	<datestamp>1258138980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My company is more careful about not violating OSS licenses than making sure they don't pirate any shareware</htmltext>
<tokenext>My company is more careful about not violating OSS licenses than making sure they do n't pirate any shareware</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My company is more careful about not violating OSS licenses than making sure they don't pirate any shareware</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088478</id>
	<title>Bide your time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258136280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do what you're told. Look for another job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do what you 're told .
Look for another job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do what you're told.
Look for another job.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089448</id>
	<title>the 2 suggestions combination</title>
	<author>jjoelc</author>
	<datestamp>1258139820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, document everything, and be honestly prepared to walk away from the company and report them to the BSA if needed.</p><p>Then, show them the possibilities. Whether that is through FOSS, or buying legitimate licenses... Whatever route you think you may actually have a chance of convincing them to follow</p><p>If they take the opportunity you present them to become legit, all is well. If they balk, you walk... and report tham.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , document everything , and be honestly prepared to walk away from the company and report them to the BSA if needed.Then , show them the possibilities .
Whether that is through FOSS , or buying legitimate licenses... Whatever route you think you may actually have a chance of convincing them to followIf they take the opportunity you present them to become legit , all is well .
If they balk , you walk... and report tham .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, document everything, and be honestly prepared to walk away from the company and report them to the BSA if needed.Then, show them the possibilities.
Whether that is through FOSS, or buying legitimate licenses... Whatever route you think you may actually have a chance of convincing them to followIf they take the opportunity you present them to become legit, all is well.
If they balk, you walk... and report tham.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088968</id>
	<title>Profit!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Quit your job<br>2. Report company to BSA<br>3. ???<br>4. PROFIT!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Quit your job2 .
Report company to BSA3 .
? ? ? 4. PROFIT !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Quit your job2.
Report company to BSA3.
???4. PROFIT!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089850</id>
	<title>1-888-NOPIRACY</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1258141380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><ul>
<li>By phone: 1-888-NOPIRACY</li>
<li>
Online: <a href="https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/enduser/edit.aspx?page=2" title="bsa.org">Business Software Alliance reporting form</a> [bsa.org]</li>
<li>
For management: <a href="http://www.baselinemag.com/c/a/Projects-Management/What-to-Do-When-You-Receive-a-BSA-Audit-Letter/" title="baselinemag.com">What to do when you receive a BSA audit letter.</a> [baselinemag.com]</li>
<li>
Download <a href="http://www.openoffice.org/" title="openoffice.org">OpenOffice</a> [openoffice.org]</li>
<li>
Download <a href="http://www.debian.org/" title="debian.org">Linux (Debian)</a> [debian.org]</li>
</ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>By phone : 1-888-NOPIRACY Online : Business Software Alliance reporting form [ bsa.org ] For management : What to do when you receive a BSA audit letter .
[ baselinemag.com ] Download OpenOffice [ openoffice.org ] Download Linux ( Debian ) [ debian.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
By phone: 1-888-NOPIRACY

Online: Business Software Alliance reporting form [bsa.org]

For management: What to do when you receive a BSA audit letter.
[baselinemag.com]

Download OpenOffice [openoffice.org]

Download Linux (Debian) [debian.org]
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088954</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Security essentials is free for business, so replace AVG with that:</p><p> <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/</a> [microsoft.com] </p></div><p>FYI, Security Essentials is only free for home-based businesses.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Security essentials is free for business , so replace AVG with that : http : //www.microsoft.com/Security \ _Essentials/ [ microsoft.com ] FYI , Security Essentials is only free for home-based businesses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Security essentials is free for business, so replace AVG with that: http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/ [microsoft.com] FYI, Security Essentials is only free for home-based businesses.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089818</id>
	<title>Arrrr!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258141260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This 'ere scurrvy scallywag be tauntin ourr profession? Me thinks this landlubber's in fer some keelhaulin, strring 'em up!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This 'ere scurrvy scallywag be tauntin ourr profession ?
Me thinks this landlubber 's in fer some keelhaulin , strring 'em up !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This 'ere scurrvy scallywag be tauntin ourr profession?
Me thinks this landlubber's in fer some keelhaulin, strring 'em up!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088850</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089214</id>
	<title>BSA.org will help</title>
	<author>ClosedEyesSeeing</author>
	<datestamp>1258139160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Report them to BSA.org! They even have a rewards program if they net money, they'll share with you!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Report them to BSA.org !
They even have a rewards program if they net money , they 'll share with you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Report them to BSA.org!
They even have a rewards program if they net money, they'll share with you!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090792</id>
	<title>Re:Welcome to the real world</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1258145220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Most small businesses have a hard time dealing with software licensing.</p></div><p>True, and it's not just the cost of buying licenses.  Keeping track of licenses takes a certain amount of effort and organization.  Keeping track of all the terms of individual licenses takes time and legal expertise.  Performing thorough software audits can take some time and/or resources.
</p><p>The thing is, it may even be true that the submitter's boss bought a bunch of licenses for Office at some point and just misplaced them.  It often isn't always even going to be clear to many end users what they need to keep in order to prove compliance.  I've come into companies that swear all their software is legal, but they don't have any proof.  I've even seen cases where, after digging through closets, I've found some evidence that software was actually purchased (e.g. a stack of disks) but no real paperwork.
</p><p>Part of the reason I favor FOSS is just not having to worry about that stuff.  Beyond the cost, it also lets you drop any fear of being sued if you don't jump through the right draconian hoops.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most small businesses have a hard time dealing with software licensing.True , and it 's not just the cost of buying licenses .
Keeping track of licenses takes a certain amount of effort and organization .
Keeping track of all the terms of individual licenses takes time and legal expertise .
Performing thorough software audits can take some time and/or resources .
The thing is , it may even be true that the submitter 's boss bought a bunch of licenses for Office at some point and just misplaced them .
It often is n't always even going to be clear to many end users what they need to keep in order to prove compliance .
I 've come into companies that swear all their software is legal , but they do n't have any proof .
I 've even seen cases where , after digging through closets , I 've found some evidence that software was actually purchased ( e.g .
a stack of disks ) but no real paperwork .
Part of the reason I favor FOSS is just not having to worry about that stuff .
Beyond the cost , it also lets you drop any fear of being sued if you do n't jump through the right draconian hoops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most small businesses have a hard time dealing with software licensing.True, and it's not just the cost of buying licenses.
Keeping track of licenses takes a certain amount of effort and organization.
Keeping track of all the terms of individual licenses takes time and legal expertise.
Performing thorough software audits can take some time and/or resources.
The thing is, it may even be true that the submitter's boss bought a bunch of licenses for Office at some point and just misplaced them.
It often isn't always even going to be clear to many end users what they need to keep in order to prove compliance.
I've come into companies that swear all their software is legal, but they don't have any proof.
I've even seen cases where, after digging through closets, I've found some evidence that software was actually purchased (e.g.
a stack of disks) but no real paperwork.
Part of the reason I favor FOSS is just not having to worry about that stuff.
Beyond the cost, it also lets you drop any fear of being sued if you don't jump through the right draconian hoops.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089192</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089458</id>
	<title>Re:My job used to be like this....</title>
	<author>WuphonsReach</author>
	<datestamp>1258139880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's the basic approach that I took.  When I started back in 2000, licensing and compliance was a disaster.  Tackling it all at once was a non-starter.  Our compromise was that any new machine coming in the door had to be purchased with legit licenses.  So we went legal within the course of a normal hardware refresh cycle.<br>
<br>
Plus, we've switched as much as possible to open source or pure free alternatives.  Moving from SourceOffSite to SVN, from SQL Server to PostgreSQL, from Windows servers to Linux, etc.<br>
<br>
I hate keeping track of licenses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the basic approach that I took .
When I started back in 2000 , licensing and compliance was a disaster .
Tackling it all at once was a non-starter .
Our compromise was that any new machine coming in the door had to be purchased with legit licenses .
So we went legal within the course of a normal hardware refresh cycle .
Plus , we 've switched as much as possible to open source or pure free alternatives .
Moving from SourceOffSite to SVN , from SQL Server to PostgreSQL , from Windows servers to Linux , etc .
I hate keeping track of licenses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the basic approach that I took.
When I started back in 2000, licensing and compliance was a disaster.
Tackling it all at once was a non-starter.
Our compromise was that any new machine coming in the door had to be purchased with legit licenses.
So we went legal within the course of a normal hardware refresh cycle.
Plus, we've switched as much as possible to open source or pure free alternatives.
Moving from SourceOffSite to SVN, from SQL Server to PostgreSQL, from Windows servers to Linux, etc.
I hate keeping track of licenses.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088712</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091448</id>
	<title>Fines are issuable to your personally also</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258104840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All of you that are telling him to do it and just ignore it are idiots. If you knowingly install pirated software not only is the company liable for fines, but the installer is responsible for fines of 15k per offense personally. I work at a large corporation and my job is software compliance. At this point they either get compliant or you have to report them. Not reporting a crime can land you as much hot water as doing the actual crime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All of you that are telling him to do it and just ignore it are idiots .
If you knowingly install pirated software not only is the company liable for fines , but the installer is responsible for fines of 15k per offense personally .
I work at a large corporation and my job is software compliance .
At this point they either get compliant or you have to report them .
Not reporting a crime can land you as much hot water as doing the actual crime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All of you that are telling him to do it and just ignore it are idiots.
If you knowingly install pirated software not only is the company liable for fines, but the installer is responsible for fines of 15k per offense personally.
I work at a large corporation and my job is software compliance.
At this point they either get compliant or you have to report them.
Not reporting a crime can land you as much hot water as doing the actual crime.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090124</id>
	<title>Re:Welcome to the real world</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258142400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am sure this same thought process has kept employees quiet about dioxin dumps in the local lake, working 60 hours a week on straight time, and maybe even keeping quiet about burying the potential whistleblower in some concrete.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am sure this same thought process has kept employees quiet about dioxin dumps in the local lake , working 60 hours a week on straight time , and maybe even keeping quiet about burying the potential whistleblower in some concrete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am sure this same thought process has kept employees quiet about dioxin dumps in the local lake, working 60 hours a week on straight time, and maybe even keeping quiet about burying the potential whistleblower in some concrete.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089192</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091732</id>
	<title>USe 7 Zip freeware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258106340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instead of the other one...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of the other one.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of the other one...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089146</id>
	<title>Collect evidence, look for another job, and then</title>
	<author>puddles</author>
	<datestamp>1258138860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and then it's every man for himself.  You want to protect your own butt so you might want to be the first to call the BSA.  You'll want to do this so the people at previous company doesn't frame you for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and then it 's every man for himself .
You want to protect your own butt so you might want to be the first to call the BSA .
You 'll want to do this so the people at previous company does n't frame you for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and then it's every man for himself.
You want to protect your own butt so you might want to be the first to call the BSA.
You'll want to do this so the people at previous company doesn't frame you for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30093052</id>
	<title>Ethics; Compliance; Job Security</title>
	<author>Xiozhiq</author>
	<datestamp>1258114200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's at issue here? There are legal, personal, and ethical reasons for doing a number of things here, and as IT personnel, it's your job to plot a path through this mess. You know there are wrongs, and those should stop. You know what would be right, and it's your job to ensure that happens (and sooner, rather than later).</p><p>So what do you do? Well, first off, keep everything on record, via e-mail BCC'd to one (or twenty, if you're paranoid) personal e-mail accounts you set up specifically for the purpose of documenting this.</p><p>First, you need to inventory what's going on. How many machines do you have, what software are they running? How many licenses do you have? Make a database of all of your licenses.</p><p>Secondly, it's your obligation via your position (as well as ethically) to let your employer know what's going on. It needs to be completely transparent to them what the current situation is, and how illegally the company is currently operating. If your boss is an unethical jerk; it's your job to tell HIS boss (if it's that large of a company) what's going on. Tell everyone who might get their ass kicked by the BSA what's going on. Yeah, they probably should know. But it's your job to make damn sure they do.</p><p>Third, propose options for fixing what's wrong. It'd be a lot easier on you to report them to the BSA, collect a fat check (maybe?), and go to Tahiti. It'd take some real gusto to actually break out a bucket o' elbow grease and fix this stuff. Find out what software you have and do an analysis if you really need it all. You mention Office, Acrobat, WinZip, and AVG, most of which have previously mentioned FOSS replacements. No, they won't be as *good*, but they will be legal, and in most cases they will do all that you need them to do. They will also be less likely to contain malware / keyloggers / other crap that I'm sure your employers would rather forego dealing with. You might even be able to find some commercial, non main-brand replacements for some apps (I recall some companies making PDF creators / editors that don't cost an arm and a leg, and will probably get the job done).</p><p>What were you hired for? Your company counts on you to:</p><p>1) make sure everything works so that business can continue<br>2) make sure everything is legal &amp; licensed<br>3) minimize the cost of running the IT department while maximizing value</p><p>It's that last step that can lead people to consider employing unethical practices. We all want to save a couple of bucks. If you want to do your job and be able to look yourself in the mirror, you need to do everything you can to enact a swift transition to new practices. By all means, cover your ass by documenting your efforts and if need be quit your job &amp; report the company, but try to do your job as much as you can before you resort to that drastic measure.</p><p>In my opinion, you'll be a hero if you can suggest some sort of a compromise that won't kill your company, but still make them legal. No, you can't go and uninstall every illegal piece of software right away, because the company will go under from a loss of productivity. But do try everything you can to fix the situation, write up a nice and pretty report that you can cc to all company management that gives them a good idea of what's going on (make sure to give them a summary that explicitly states the urgency of the situation), and for jc's sake put all the work you do on your resume.</p><p>In the end, you're doing this job for yourself. Don't accept the morals of the lowest common denominator, try to raise the lowest common denominator. Do some real good and bring another company up to compliance. People like you who want to do what's right are rare, and people who are willing to work 16 hour days for a week to get this done ASAP are even rarer. Work your butt off for a little while to bring more than just problems to your management, help them by bringing them solutions too.</p><p>What'll make you feel better? Sinking your company and dozens of jobs because of ignorant management, or convincing that management that you're doing everything you can to save them money and act legally, potentially saving the company and all those jobs from disappearing with one BSA report?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's at issue here ?
There are legal , personal , and ethical reasons for doing a number of things here , and as IT personnel , it 's your job to plot a path through this mess .
You know there are wrongs , and those should stop .
You know what would be right , and it 's your job to ensure that happens ( and sooner , rather than later ) .So what do you do ?
Well , first off , keep everything on record , via e-mail BCC 'd to one ( or twenty , if you 're paranoid ) personal e-mail accounts you set up specifically for the purpose of documenting this.First , you need to inventory what 's going on .
How many machines do you have , what software are they running ?
How many licenses do you have ?
Make a database of all of your licenses.Secondly , it 's your obligation via your position ( as well as ethically ) to let your employer know what 's going on .
It needs to be completely transparent to them what the current situation is , and how illegally the company is currently operating .
If your boss is an unethical jerk ; it 's your job to tell HIS boss ( if it 's that large of a company ) what 's going on .
Tell everyone who might get their ass kicked by the BSA what 's going on .
Yeah , they probably should know .
But it 's your job to make damn sure they do.Third , propose options for fixing what 's wrong .
It 'd be a lot easier on you to report them to the BSA , collect a fat check ( maybe ?
) , and go to Tahiti .
It 'd take some real gusto to actually break out a bucket o ' elbow grease and fix this stuff .
Find out what software you have and do an analysis if you really need it all .
You mention Office , Acrobat , WinZip , and AVG , most of which have previously mentioned FOSS replacements .
No , they wo n't be as * good * , but they will be legal , and in most cases they will do all that you need them to do .
They will also be less likely to contain malware / keyloggers / other crap that I 'm sure your employers would rather forego dealing with .
You might even be able to find some commercial , non main-brand replacements for some apps ( I recall some companies making PDF creators / editors that do n't cost an arm and a leg , and will probably get the job done ) .What were you hired for ?
Your company counts on you to : 1 ) make sure everything works so that business can continue2 ) make sure everything is legal &amp; licensed3 ) minimize the cost of running the IT department while maximizing valueIt 's that last step that can lead people to consider employing unethical practices .
We all want to save a couple of bucks .
If you want to do your job and be able to look yourself in the mirror , you need to do everything you can to enact a swift transition to new practices .
By all means , cover your ass by documenting your efforts and if need be quit your job &amp; report the company , but try to do your job as much as you can before you resort to that drastic measure.In my opinion , you 'll be a hero if you can suggest some sort of a compromise that wo n't kill your company , but still make them legal .
No , you ca n't go and uninstall every illegal piece of software right away , because the company will go under from a loss of productivity .
But do try everything you can to fix the situation , write up a nice and pretty report that you can cc to all company management that gives them a good idea of what 's going on ( make sure to give them a summary that explicitly states the urgency of the situation ) , and for jc 's sake put all the work you do on your resume.In the end , you 're doing this job for yourself .
Do n't accept the morals of the lowest common denominator , try to raise the lowest common denominator .
Do some real good and bring another company up to compliance .
People like you who want to do what 's right are rare , and people who are willing to work 16 hour days for a week to get this done ASAP are even rarer .
Work your butt off for a little while to bring more than just problems to your management , help them by bringing them solutions too.What 'll make you feel better ?
Sinking your company and dozens of jobs because of ignorant management , or convincing that management that you 're doing everything you can to save them money and act legally , potentially saving the company and all those jobs from disappearing with one BSA report ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's at issue here?
There are legal, personal, and ethical reasons for doing a number of things here, and as IT personnel, it's your job to plot a path through this mess.
You know there are wrongs, and those should stop.
You know what would be right, and it's your job to ensure that happens (and sooner, rather than later).So what do you do?
Well, first off, keep everything on record, via e-mail BCC'd to one (or twenty, if you're paranoid) personal e-mail accounts you set up specifically for the purpose of documenting this.First, you need to inventory what's going on.
How many machines do you have, what software are they running?
How many licenses do you have?
Make a database of all of your licenses.Secondly, it's your obligation via your position (as well as ethically) to let your employer know what's going on.
It needs to be completely transparent to them what the current situation is, and how illegally the company is currently operating.
If your boss is an unethical jerk; it's your job to tell HIS boss (if it's that large of a company) what's going on.
Tell everyone who might get their ass kicked by the BSA what's going on.
Yeah, they probably should know.
But it's your job to make damn sure they do.Third, propose options for fixing what's wrong.
It'd be a lot easier on you to report them to the BSA, collect a fat check (maybe?
), and go to Tahiti.
It'd take some real gusto to actually break out a bucket o' elbow grease and fix this stuff.
Find out what software you have and do an analysis if you really need it all.
You mention Office, Acrobat, WinZip, and AVG, most of which have previously mentioned FOSS replacements.
No, they won't be as *good*, but they will be legal, and in most cases they will do all that you need them to do.
They will also be less likely to contain malware / keyloggers / other crap that I'm sure your employers would rather forego dealing with.
You might even be able to find some commercial, non main-brand replacements for some apps (I recall some companies making PDF creators / editors that don't cost an arm and a leg, and will probably get the job done).What were you hired for?
Your company counts on you to:1) make sure everything works so that business can continue2) make sure everything is legal &amp; licensed3) minimize the cost of running the IT department while maximizing valueIt's that last step that can lead people to consider employing unethical practices.
We all want to save a couple of bucks.
If you want to do your job and be able to look yourself in the mirror, you need to do everything you can to enact a swift transition to new practices.
By all means, cover your ass by documenting your efforts and if need be quit your job &amp; report the company, but try to do your job as much as you can before you resort to that drastic measure.In my opinion, you'll be a hero if you can suggest some sort of a compromise that won't kill your company, but still make them legal.
No, you can't go and uninstall every illegal piece of software right away, because the company will go under from a loss of productivity.
But do try everything you can to fix the situation, write up a nice and pretty report that you can cc to all company management that gives them a good idea of what's going on (make sure to give them a summary that explicitly states the urgency of the situation), and for jc's sake put all the work you do on your resume.In the end, you're doing this job for yourself.
Don't accept the morals of the lowest common denominator, try to raise the lowest common denominator.
Do some real good and bring another company up to compliance.
People like you who want to do what's right are rare, and people who are willing to work 16 hour days for a week to get this done ASAP are even rarer.
Work your butt off for a little while to bring more than just problems to your management, help them by bringing them solutions too.What'll make you feel better?
Sinking your company and dozens of jobs because of ignorant management, or convincing that management that you're doing everything you can to save them money and act legally, potentially saving the company and all those jobs from disappearing with one BSA report?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090492</id>
	<title>Re:Your answer is at http://www.monster.com</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258143720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You can find them FOSS substitutes for their existing software</p></div><p>There is more than one reason why this is an excellent suggestion. Other than the cost issue, often employers will incorporate training time into the software decision making process. TFS says that they are willing to hang about waiting for shareware timers to count down to avoid paying - surely that time could be spent learning how to use tar or gzip?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can find them FOSS substitutes for their existing softwareThere is more than one reason why this is an excellent suggestion .
Other than the cost issue , often employers will incorporate training time into the software decision making process .
TFS says that they are willing to hang about waiting for shareware timers to count down to avoid paying - surely that time could be spent learning how to use tar or gzip ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can find them FOSS substitutes for their existing softwareThere is more than one reason why this is an excellent suggestion.
Other than the cost issue, often employers will incorporate training time into the software decision making process.
TFS says that they are willing to hang about waiting for shareware timers to count down to avoid paying - surely that time could be spent learning how to use tar or gzip?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089078</id>
	<title>Are you *really* sure about this?</title>
	<author>pizzap</author>
	<datestamp>1258138500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know software like Adobe Acrobat has licenses where you can use the key multiple times? Are you really sure there isn't an invoice about 20 office licenses somewhere in a file?</p><p>Because If you decide to take this to the law and you're wrong.. you are the offender.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know software like Adobe Acrobat has licenses where you can use the key multiple times ?
Are you really sure there is n't an invoice about 20 office licenses somewhere in a file ? Because If you decide to take this to the law and you 're wrong.. you are the offender .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know software like Adobe Acrobat has licenses where you can use the key multiple times?
Are you really sure there isn't an invoice about 20 office licenses somewhere in a file?Because If you decide to take this to the law and you're wrong.. you are the offender.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089620</id>
	<title>Re:Piracy without guns and ships?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258140480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RMS said this about piracy? Yet he doesn't feel weird making comparisions to slavery? And his followers think it is justified to call it "stealing" when someone redistributes open source software without making his modifications available?</p><p>I honestly see more justification in the use of piracy than in the use of stealing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RMS said this about piracy ?
Yet he does n't feel weird making comparisions to slavery ?
And his followers think it is justified to call it " stealing " when someone redistributes open source software without making his modifications available ? I honestly see more justification in the use of piracy than in the use of stealing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RMS said this about piracy?
Yet he doesn't feel weird making comparisions to slavery?
And his followers think it is justified to call it "stealing" when someone redistributes open source software without making his modifications available?I honestly see more justification in the use of piracy than in the use of stealing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088676</id>
	<title>Report it</title>
	<author>mombodog</author>
	<datestamp>1258136940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>

If you Dare

<a href="http://www.fastiis.org/our\_services/enforcement/reportingPiracy/" title="fastiis.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.fastiis.org/our\_services/enforcement/reportingPiracy/</a> [fastiis.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you Dare http : //www.fastiis.org/our \ _services/enforcement/reportingPiracy/ [ fastiis.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

If you Dare

http://www.fastiis.org/our\_services/enforcement/reportingPiracy/ [fastiis.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088892</id>
	<title>Re:Different Approach</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258137840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Alnd OpenOffice saves $400 per license over MS Office</i></p><p>And how much is lost in productivity, retraining staff, converting between formats, and the pointy headed boss calling you every 2 minutes because Clippy doesn't help him compose his letters anymore ?</p><p>Free software is only free if your time is valueless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alnd OpenOffice saves $ 400 per license over MS OfficeAnd how much is lost in productivity , retraining staff , converting between formats , and the pointy headed boss calling you every 2 minutes because Clippy does n't help him compose his letters anymore ? Free software is only free if your time is valueless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alnd OpenOffice saves $400 per license over MS OfficeAnd how much is lost in productivity, retraining staff, converting between formats, and the pointy headed boss calling you every 2 minutes because Clippy doesn't help him compose his letters anymore ?Free software is only free if your time is valueless.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090592</id>
	<title>Tell Em About Piratebay</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258144200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Explain that you are an expert on stealing software and can get anything! Make them hire you as a consultant and your job will be never to tell anyone about these things you know..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Explain that you are an expert on stealing software and can get anything !
Make them hire you as a consultant and your job will be never to tell anyone about these things you know. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Explain that you are an expert on stealing software and can get anything!
Make them hire you as a consultant and your job will be never to tell anyone about these things you know..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090858</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258145580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Security essentials is not "free for business" it's "free for home-based business":</p><blockquote><div><p>Use. You may install and use any number of copies of the software on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Read the <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/eula.aspx#mainNav" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">license</a> [microsoft.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Security essentials is not " free for business " it 's " free for home-based business " : Use .
You may install and use any number of copies of the software on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business .
Read the license [ microsoft.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Security essentials is not "free for business" it's "free for home-based business":Use.
You may install and use any number of copies of the software on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business.
Read the license [microsoft.com].
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088834</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258137660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>peazip is another good zip alternative</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>peazip is another good zip alternative</tokentext>
<sentencetext>peazip is another good zip alternative</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088926</id>
	<title>FOSS fish or cut bait</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1258138020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is where the FOSS people need to fish or cut bait.  On one hand you might not believe that software should be something you pay for, but on the other, you want genuinely FOSS systems to succeed.  In my mind, the choice is clear cut.  The guy should do what I did. If you don't want to pay for Windows + Office, then switch to Linux.  You have to respect Microsoft's IP.</p><p>Granted, what MS does is pretty stupid.  The more they clamp down on licensing, the more users will bolt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is where the FOSS people need to fish or cut bait .
On one hand you might not believe that software should be something you pay for , but on the other , you want genuinely FOSS systems to succeed .
In my mind , the choice is clear cut .
The guy should do what I did .
If you do n't want to pay for Windows + Office , then switch to Linux .
You have to respect Microsoft 's IP.Granted , what MS does is pretty stupid .
The more they clamp down on licensing , the more users will bolt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is where the FOSS people need to fish or cut bait.
On one hand you might not believe that software should be something you pay for, but on the other, you want genuinely FOSS systems to succeed.
In my mind, the choice is clear cut.
The guy should do what I did.
If you don't want to pay for Windows + Office, then switch to Linux.
You have to respect Microsoft's IP.Granted, what MS does is pretty stupid.
The more they clamp down on licensing, the more users will bolt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088982</id>
	<title>Re:Common cause of termination in bad startups</title>
	<author>Alpha Soixante-Neuf</author>
	<datestamp>1258138200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think there's a very strange attitude towards FOSS with some business managers or small business owners. I have mentioned these alternatives to people (it's not my job, but you meet people in these situations) who complain about the cost of upgrading windows software and  always encountered a weird resistance. They don't usually say flat out no, but they always hedge around it so you get the idea they aren't the slightest bit interested. I think it's about a fear for their image (at least that's the only way I can make sense of it). They're imagining having to call a client and ask for a word document saved in some weird format, basically outing them as too cheap for "professional" applications. Maybe that's not it, but it's certainly the impression I've gotten over the years whenever I try to broach the subject. IMO saving a couple grand (at least, the larger the company the larger the savings) annually on readily available free software without any concerns for piracy makes such incredible sense for so many small business, it's really a shame people aren't willing to do the hour or two of research finding out about the alternatives and getting rid of their own misperceptions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think there 's a very strange attitude towards FOSS with some business managers or small business owners .
I have mentioned these alternatives to people ( it 's not my job , but you meet people in these situations ) who complain about the cost of upgrading windows software and always encountered a weird resistance .
They do n't usually say flat out no , but they always hedge around it so you get the idea they are n't the slightest bit interested .
I think it 's about a fear for their image ( at least that 's the only way I can make sense of it ) .
They 're imagining having to call a client and ask for a word document saved in some weird format , basically outing them as too cheap for " professional " applications .
Maybe that 's not it , but it 's certainly the impression I 've gotten over the years whenever I try to broach the subject .
IMO saving a couple grand ( at least , the larger the company the larger the savings ) annually on readily available free software without any concerns for piracy makes such incredible sense for so many small business , it 's really a shame people are n't willing to do the hour or two of research finding out about the alternatives and getting rid of their own misperceptions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think there's a very strange attitude towards FOSS with some business managers or small business owners.
I have mentioned these alternatives to people (it's not my job, but you meet people in these situations) who complain about the cost of upgrading windows software and  always encountered a weird resistance.
They don't usually say flat out no, but they always hedge around it so you get the idea they aren't the slightest bit interested.
I think it's about a fear for their image (at least that's the only way I can make sense of it).
They're imagining having to call a client and ask for a word document saved in some weird format, basically outing them as too cheap for "professional" applications.
Maybe that's not it, but it's certainly the impression I've gotten over the years whenever I try to broach the subject.
IMO saving a couple grand (at least, the larger the company the larger the savings) annually on readily available free software without any concerns for piracy makes such incredible sense for so many small business, it's really a shame people aren't willing to do the hour or two of research finding out about the alternatives and getting rid of their own misperceptions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091920</id>
	<title>Contact an employment attorney first, then BSA...</title>
	<author>swb</author>
	<datestamp>1258107240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd contact an employment attorney first and figure out what my options were when the boss fired me after I ratted him out to the BSA, and depending on the attorney or practice, have them document what your potential legal exposure may be if you turn the business in.</p><p>It may be possible to have the attorney contact the BSA anonymously on your behalf; your work with the attorney is protected as privileged communication so they may not be able to find out who turned them in, even if the BSA wanted to tell them.</p><p>At least this way you'd know what you'd be up against and would have everything lined up in case the employer tried to retaliate.  In some cases you may be able to set them up so that you *want* them to retaliate so you can respond with a civil action.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd contact an employment attorney first and figure out what my options were when the boss fired me after I ratted him out to the BSA , and depending on the attorney or practice , have them document what your potential legal exposure may be if you turn the business in.It may be possible to have the attorney contact the BSA anonymously on your behalf ; your work with the attorney is protected as privileged communication so they may not be able to find out who turned them in , even if the BSA wanted to tell them.At least this way you 'd know what you 'd be up against and would have everything lined up in case the employer tried to retaliate .
In some cases you may be able to set them up so that you * want * them to retaliate so you can respond with a civil action .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd contact an employment attorney first and figure out what my options were when the boss fired me after I ratted him out to the BSA, and depending on the attorney or practice, have them document what your potential legal exposure may be if you turn the business in.It may be possible to have the attorney contact the BSA anonymously on your behalf; your work with the attorney is protected as privileged communication so they may not be able to find out who turned them in, even if the BSA wanted to tell them.At least this way you'd know what you'd be up against and would have everything lined up in case the employer tried to retaliate.
In some cases you may be able to set them up so that you *want* them to retaliate so you can respond with a civil action.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089994</id>
	<title>Re:I'm getting an enourmous kick out of this</title>
	<author>Chameleon Man</author>
	<datestamp>1258141920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't confuse ethics with law. While one may believe that all software should be free, the government says that the software owner deserves a huge sum of money because you illegally used their software that they intended to get paid for. It's the difference between "what should be" and "what is". That's assuming that you believe free software is the ethical choice. Some may assume the other way around.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't confuse ethics with law .
While one may believe that all software should be free , the government says that the software owner deserves a huge sum of money because you illegally used their software that they intended to get paid for .
It 's the difference between " what should be " and " what is " .
That 's assuming that you believe free software is the ethical choice .
Some may assume the other way around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't confuse ethics with law.
While one may believe that all software should be free, the government says that the software owner deserves a huge sum of money because you illegally used their software that they intended to get paid for.
It's the difference between "what should be" and "what is".
That's assuming that you believe free software is the ethical choice.
Some may assume the other way around.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090760</id>
	<title>Re:Contact the BSA &amp; request an audit</title>
	<author>tsstahl</author>
	<datestamp>1258145040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What will happen to the company is: Microsoft will send a letter to the CEO informing him that they will be performing an audit, that they are entitled to do as he is running some form of Microsoft software</p> </div><p>No, that is not how it works.  The audit trigger is only for those who have agreements with MS beyond retail or OEM licenses.  You will get a letter requesting the audit and true-up in lieu of federal marshalls showing up in the lobby.
<br> <br>
You can also receive a letter stating much the same thing from the BSA as they are an umbrella group representing a bunch of rights holders.  The BSA likes to forego the nice letter and go straight to federal marshalls every once in a while to make a public point.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What will happen to the company is : Microsoft will send a letter to the CEO informing him that they will be performing an audit , that they are entitled to do as he is running some form of Microsoft software No , that is not how it works .
The audit trigger is only for those who have agreements with MS beyond retail or OEM licenses .
You will get a letter requesting the audit and true-up in lieu of federal marshalls showing up in the lobby .
You can also receive a letter stating much the same thing from the BSA as they are an umbrella group representing a bunch of rights holders .
The BSA likes to forego the nice letter and go straight to federal marshalls every once in a while to make a public point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What will happen to the company is: Microsoft will send a letter to the CEO informing him that they will be performing an audit, that they are entitled to do as he is running some form of Microsoft software No, that is not how it works.
The audit trigger is only for those who have agreements with MS beyond retail or OEM licenses.
You will get a letter requesting the audit and true-up in lieu of federal marshalls showing up in the lobby.
You can also receive a letter stating much the same thing from the BSA as they are an umbrella group representing a bunch of rights holders.
The BSA likes to forego the nice letter and go straight to federal marshalls every once in a while to make a public point.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30107804</id>
	<title>Re:Different Approach</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1258316760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>OpenOffice saves $400 per license over MS Office.</p> </div><p>And increases training and support cost because its 'new', and you have no one to call when it breaks.</p><p>Don't get me wrong, i'm all for OSS solutions, but switching is NOT the simple 'its free software' argument. There are hidden costs in any migration and not accounting for them spells failure.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenOffice saves $ 400 per license over MS Office .
And increases training and support cost because its 'new ' , and you have no one to call when it breaks.Do n't get me wrong , i 'm all for OSS solutions , but switching is NOT the simple 'its free software ' argument .
There are hidden costs in any migration and not accounting for them spells failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenOffice saves $400 per license over MS Office.
And increases training and support cost because its 'new', and you have no one to call when it breaks.Don't get me wrong, i'm all for OSS solutions, but switching is NOT the simple 'its free software' argument.
There are hidden costs in any migration and not accounting for them spells failure.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089990</id>
	<title>Get the CEO's response in hard copy!</title>
	<author>The\_Deacon</author>
	<datestamp>1258141920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a dangerous position to be in, since **** rolls downhill when someone calls the BSA.  First thing to do at this point is get some documentation.  Email the CEO with your same concerns, maybe add in some of your research, and get his response via email, then print it out &amp; save it!  Then, when the audit happens and he points the finger at you, you can defend yourself.  Otherwise, your conversation with the CEO (and his response) is irrelevant.  Remember: if it isn't written down, it never happened -- the CEO could say you were installing unlicensed software without his knowledge, and then its your neck on the line.</p><p>And as far as calling an audit goes, think VERY carefully before calling the BSA in.  It's going to be pretty obvious to the CEO who called the BSA, especially after you've been coming to him with these concerns.  They may not know 100\% for sure, but that's not going to stop them from finding some way to get rid of you.  More importantly, if your CEO is networked well within your local business community, he may be able to blackball you from getting another job.  Based on the information you've given, I would personally go for a paper trail where the CEO tells you NOT to fix the licensing issues, save that, and look for employment elsewhere.  If you're going to call the BSA, wait until ~6 months after you're happily employed elsewhere before burning those bridges by calling an audit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a dangerous position to be in , since * * * * rolls downhill when someone calls the BSA .
First thing to do at this point is get some documentation .
Email the CEO with your same concerns , maybe add in some of your research , and get his response via email , then print it out &amp; save it !
Then , when the audit happens and he points the finger at you , you can defend yourself .
Otherwise , your conversation with the CEO ( and his response ) is irrelevant .
Remember : if it is n't written down , it never happened -- the CEO could say you were installing unlicensed software without his knowledge , and then its your neck on the line.And as far as calling an audit goes , think VERY carefully before calling the BSA in .
It 's going to be pretty obvious to the CEO who called the BSA , especially after you 've been coming to him with these concerns .
They may not know 100 \ % for sure , but that 's not going to stop them from finding some way to get rid of you .
More importantly , if your CEO is networked well within your local business community , he may be able to blackball you from getting another job .
Based on the information you 've given , I would personally go for a paper trail where the CEO tells you NOT to fix the licensing issues , save that , and look for employment elsewhere .
If you 're going to call the BSA , wait until ~ 6 months after you 're happily employed elsewhere before burning those bridges by calling an audit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a dangerous position to be in, since **** rolls downhill when someone calls the BSA.
First thing to do at this point is get some documentation.
Email the CEO with your same concerns, maybe add in some of your research, and get his response via email, then print it out &amp; save it!
Then, when the audit happens and he points the finger at you, you can defend yourself.
Otherwise, your conversation with the CEO (and his response) is irrelevant.
Remember: if it isn't written down, it never happened -- the CEO could say you were installing unlicensed software without his knowledge, and then its your neck on the line.And as far as calling an audit goes, think VERY carefully before calling the BSA in.
It's going to be pretty obvious to the CEO who called the BSA, especially after you've been coming to him with these concerns.
They may not know 100\% for sure, but that's not going to stop them from finding some way to get rid of you.
More importantly, if your CEO is networked well within your local business community, he may be able to blackball you from getting another job.
Based on the information you've given, I would personally go for a paper trail where the CEO tells you NOT to fix the licensing issues, save that, and look for employment elsewhere.
If you're going to call the BSA, wait until ~6 months after you're happily employed elsewhere before burning those bridges by calling an audit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30093082</id>
	<title>Commercial Software Vendors Look the Other Way</title>
	<author>mpapet</author>
	<datestamp>1258114500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not negating doing the right thing and getting in compliance.</p><p>I'm stating a simple fact.  A commercial software provider would *much* rather you not pay for their software and use it.  Why?  Because they know if you get used to it, chances are very high you will become a paying customer.</p><p>Why exactly do you think it's the case that breaking most anti-copying schemes is a PITA, but not impossible?  As examples, Microsoft and Adobe could *both* go to hardware dongles and not be *immediately* harmed.  What would happen is other software vendors would then become the cracked standard in Office/Graphics whatever and from then on out, Adobe and Microsoft's software market share would decline.  Too much BSA enforcement would do the same thing.</p><p>So, most of you, like the author of the question, are in fear of a situation that is very unlikely to occur.  Do your CYA and plan an orderly exit if you don't care for these kinds of ethics. But don't live in perpetual fear of the compliance boogeyman BSA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not negating doing the right thing and getting in compliance.I 'm stating a simple fact .
A commercial software provider would * much * rather you not pay for their software and use it .
Why ? Because they know if you get used to it , chances are very high you will become a paying customer.Why exactly do you think it 's the case that breaking most anti-copying schemes is a PITA , but not impossible ?
As examples , Microsoft and Adobe could * both * go to hardware dongles and not be * immediately * harmed .
What would happen is other software vendors would then become the cracked standard in Office/Graphics whatever and from then on out , Adobe and Microsoft 's software market share would decline .
Too much BSA enforcement would do the same thing.So , most of you , like the author of the question , are in fear of a situation that is very unlikely to occur .
Do your CYA and plan an orderly exit if you do n't care for these kinds of ethics .
But do n't live in perpetual fear of the compliance boogeyman BSA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not negating doing the right thing and getting in compliance.I'm stating a simple fact.
A commercial software provider would *much* rather you not pay for their software and use it.
Why?  Because they know if you get used to it, chances are very high you will become a paying customer.Why exactly do you think it's the case that breaking most anti-copying schemes is a PITA, but not impossible?
As examples, Microsoft and Adobe could *both* go to hardware dongles and not be *immediately* harmed.
What would happen is other software vendors would then become the cracked standard in Office/Graphics whatever and from then on out, Adobe and Microsoft's software market share would decline.
Too much BSA enforcement would do the same thing.So, most of you, like the author of the question, are in fear of a situation that is very unlikely to occur.
Do your CYA and plan an orderly exit if you don't care for these kinds of ethics.
But don't live in perpetual fear of the compliance boogeyman BSA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090468</id>
	<title>Re:Piracy without guns and ships?</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1258143600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I started this post with the idea that I would make a joke similar to what RMS says about piracy requiring guns and ships but when I stopped to think about the words pirate and piracy, it really is odd that they're used when software is executed outside the limits of a license.</p></div></blockquote><p>RMS obviously believe in the Big Lie principle - repeat a lie often enough and loudly enough, and people start to treat it as truth.  (Hint:  Use of the word piracy for violating copyright goes back centuries.)<br>
&nbsp; </p><blockquote><div><p>It's totally reasonable in the face of ridiculous license terms to want to get past all that and just use the software. That's why we've gone from no product keys to product keys to activation and now to automatic auditing like Windows Genuine Advantage.</p></div></blockquote><p>No, we've gone that route because of people like yourself who mistakenly believe that it's OK to break the law because they don't like the law.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I started this post with the idea that I would make a joke similar to what RMS says about piracy requiring guns and ships but when I stopped to think about the words pirate and piracy , it really is odd that they 're used when software is executed outside the limits of a license.RMS obviously believe in the Big Lie principle - repeat a lie often enough and loudly enough , and people start to treat it as truth .
( Hint : Use of the word piracy for violating copyright goes back centuries .
)   It 's totally reasonable in the face of ridiculous license terms to want to get past all that and just use the software .
That 's why we 've gone from no product keys to product keys to activation and now to automatic auditing like Windows Genuine Advantage.No , we 've gone that route because of people like yourself who mistakenly believe that it 's OK to break the law because they do n't like the law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I started this post with the idea that I would make a joke similar to what RMS says about piracy requiring guns and ships but when I stopped to think about the words pirate and piracy, it really is odd that they're used when software is executed outside the limits of a license.RMS obviously believe in the Big Lie principle - repeat a lie often enough and loudly enough, and people start to treat it as truth.
(Hint:  Use of the word piracy for violating copyright goes back centuries.
)
  It's totally reasonable in the face of ridiculous license terms to want to get past all that and just use the software.
That's why we've gone from no product keys to product keys to activation and now to automatic auditing like Windows Genuine Advantage.No, we've gone that route because of people like yourself who mistakenly believe that it's OK to break the law because they don't like the law.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089678</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright Infringement != Piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258140720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy\_(media)</p><p>Languages change. Get used to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy \ _ ( media ) Languages change .
Get used to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy\_(media)Languages change.
Get used to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088590</id>
	<title>Change in some Policies</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1258136700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First off, you shouldn't need to use Winzip, every computer since like Windows 95 has had its own method of compression to send files. Toss that out, and just use the right click "Send to compressed (zip) folder".</p><p>Secondly, If your boss is saying that you had to have paid for software at one point, tell him that you're going to have to buy licenses for each time that software is used.</p><p>This means that either<br>A) Your IT Budget is going way up<br>or<br>B) Other Departments are going to have to expense their own software, and you just aid in the installation and support.</p><p>If your IT Manager is content with what software you've got going on, either knowing full well that its trial version or doesn't care, than its really not your place to challenge that, and you go with it.</p><p>If YOU are the IT Manager, you need to get some backbone and tell the Chief that you are at serious risk of lawsuit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , you should n't need to use Winzip , every computer since like Windows 95 has had its own method of compression to send files .
Toss that out , and just use the right click " Send to compressed ( zip ) folder " .Secondly , If your boss is saying that you had to have paid for software at one point , tell him that you 're going to have to buy licenses for each time that software is used.This means that eitherA ) Your IT Budget is going way uporB ) Other Departments are going to have to expense their own software , and you just aid in the installation and support.If your IT Manager is content with what software you 've got going on , either knowing full well that its trial version or does n't care , than its really not your place to challenge that , and you go with it.If YOU are the IT Manager , you need to get some backbone and tell the Chief that you are at serious risk of lawsuit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, you shouldn't need to use Winzip, every computer since like Windows 95 has had its own method of compression to send files.
Toss that out, and just use the right click "Send to compressed (zip) folder".Secondly, If your boss is saying that you had to have paid for software at one point, tell him that you're going to have to buy licenses for each time that software is used.This means that eitherA) Your IT Budget is going way uporB) Other Departments are going to have to expense their own software, and you just aid in the installation and support.If your IT Manager is content with what software you've got going on, either knowing full well that its trial version or doesn't care, than its really not your place to challenge that, and you go with it.If YOU are the IT Manager, you need to get some backbone and tell the Chief that you are at serious risk of lawsuit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089922</id>
	<title>Easy solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258141680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Call the BSA and collect the reward "Bounty" they offer.</p><p>Live off it till you find a new job, leave this part (reporting your employer to the BSA) off your resume.</p><p>Lather rinse repeat till enough BSA Blood Money has accumulated so you can retire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Call the BSA and collect the reward " Bounty " they offer.Live off it till you find a new job , leave this part ( reporting your employer to the BSA ) off your resume.Lather rinse repeat till enough BSA Blood Money has accumulated so you can retire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Call the BSA and collect the reward "Bounty" they offer.Live off it till you find a new job, leave this part (reporting your employer to the BSA) off your resume.Lather rinse repeat till enough BSA Blood Money has accumulated so you can retire.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091060</id>
	<title>mod parent up</title>
	<author>BitHive</author>
	<datestamp>1258103220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too true; the same logic has been used to cast things like the free market, republicans, and the catholic church as beyond reproach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too true ; the same logic has been used to cast things like the free market , republicans , and the catholic church as beyond reproach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too true; the same logic has been used to cast things like the free market, republicans, and the catholic church as beyond reproach.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30108218</id>
	<title>no options</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258318740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>its ethics vs survival</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>its ethics vs survival</tokentext>
<sentencetext>its ethics vs survival</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088764</id>
	<title>WinZip</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1258137300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who the hell uses a crappy shareware version (let alone a crappy paid-for software) for zipping? I mean, Office I can barely understand if the company runs some proprietary document management server like Citrix, but there is no excuse not to use 7-zip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who the hell uses a crappy shareware version ( let alone a crappy paid-for software ) for zipping ?
I mean , Office I can barely understand if the company runs some proprietary document management server like Citrix , but there is no excuse not to use 7-zip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who the hell uses a crappy shareware version (let alone a crappy paid-for software) for zipping?
I mean, Office I can barely understand if the company runs some proprietary document management server like Citrix, but there is no excuse not to use 7-zip.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30092146</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258108560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Security essentials is free for business, so replace AVG with that:</p><p> <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/</a> [microsoft.com] </p><p>7Zip is free and OSS. Replace Winzip with that. Heck, XP has its own zip handler installed. A lot of techies assumed that XP needs a zip program because 2000 didnt have one. Get rid of it.</p><p> <a href="http://www.7-zip.org/" title="7-zip.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.7-zip.org/</a> [7-zip.org] </p><p>PDFCreator is free and OSS. It can make PDFs. Most people just need to make them, not 'edit' them.</p><p> <a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/</a> [sourceforge.net] </p></div><p>Security Essentials for business use is against the EULA. Try Clamwin instead, its open source.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Security essentials is free for business , so replace AVG with that : http : //www.microsoft.com/Security \ _Essentials/ [ microsoft.com ] 7Zip is free and OSS .
Replace Winzip with that .
Heck , XP has its own zip handler installed .
A lot of techies assumed that XP needs a zip program because 2000 didnt have one .
Get rid of it .
http : //www.7-zip.org/ [ 7-zip.org ] PDFCreator is free and OSS .
It can make PDFs .
Most people just need to make them , not 'edit ' them .
http : //sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ [ sourceforge.net ] Security Essentials for business use is against the EULA .
Try Clamwin instead , its open source .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Security essentials is free for business, so replace AVG with that: http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/ [microsoft.com] 7Zip is free and OSS.
Replace Winzip with that.
Heck, XP has its own zip handler installed.
A lot of techies assumed that XP needs a zip program because 2000 didnt have one.
Get rid of it.
http://www.7-zip.org/ [7-zip.org] PDFCreator is free and OSS.
It can make PDFs.
Most people just need to make them, not 'edit' them.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ [sourceforge.net] Security Essentials for business use is against the EULA.
Try Clamwin instead, its open source.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091084</id>
	<title>Business-minded people are smart</title>
	<author>Chapter80</author>
	<datestamp>1258103280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many of these comments assume that the boss is an unethical jerk.  My experience is that most business-minded people are both ethical and reasonably smart.</p><p>I suspect that you went to the boss and said "I can't find the licenses", and the boss heard "here comes a lot of cost, for zero benefit, being recommended by the new guy just because he doesn't know where the records are".</p><p>Your approach really should be that you, personally, don't want to do anything unethical.  Do you think ANY company in their right mind would NOT want an employee with that attitude?</p><p>So<br>a) go on record that you have sought out the licenses and can't find them, and that your boss is sure that they are legally licensed software installations.  (Keep in mind that there is NOTHING illegal with installing licensed software and not keeping good records.)</p><p>b) Do your best to HELP the boss get the licensing under control.  The Software vendors have really made this a nightmare.  Your boss may not know.  So present your boss with a software inventory (what's installed), and ask him or her to give a best guess as to how many transferable licenses you have for each software product.  Then ask HIM/HER to accept responsibility for that number, and stick within those parameters.</p><p>c) If there's a huge discrepancy between what he's willing to sign off on, and what is needed for the business, put a plan in place to decommission or license the unlicensed software.  This is RISK MITIGATION.  You can explain the risks to the boss, and recommend the spreading of the costs over a year or two (explaining that the longer the period, the higher the risk),  If your budget can't support purchasing licenses, then look for free alternatives.  (Look for free alternatives either way,)</p><p>Mostly, you just need to put it in terms of a business proposition.  There's a business risk of having poor license-records.  You want to get that under control within a fixed period.  There should be absolutely NO Issue in getting this under control within 5 years (as most everything will be replaced by then, I would think - just make sure that license records are kept on all new purchases, and nothing new gets installed without license).  Your goal should be to make sure that this period of risk is within the company's tolerance level for risk.  Can you resolve it within 2 years?  6 months?</p><p>Software license records are like other business risks.  There's a price for perfection.  Like physical security - SOME risk is ok.  You should be working to help minimize the risk over time - not on day 1.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many of these comments assume that the boss is an unethical jerk .
My experience is that most business-minded people are both ethical and reasonably smart.I suspect that you went to the boss and said " I ca n't find the licenses " , and the boss heard " here comes a lot of cost , for zero benefit , being recommended by the new guy just because he does n't know where the records are " .Your approach really should be that you , personally , do n't want to do anything unethical .
Do you think ANY company in their right mind would NOT want an employee with that attitude ? Soa ) go on record that you have sought out the licenses and ca n't find them , and that your boss is sure that they are legally licensed software installations .
( Keep in mind that there is NOTHING illegal with installing licensed software and not keeping good records .
) b ) Do your best to HELP the boss get the licensing under control .
The Software vendors have really made this a nightmare .
Your boss may not know .
So present your boss with a software inventory ( what 's installed ) , and ask him or her to give a best guess as to how many transferable licenses you have for each software product .
Then ask HIM/HER to accept responsibility for that number , and stick within those parameters.c ) If there 's a huge discrepancy between what he 's willing to sign off on , and what is needed for the business , put a plan in place to decommission or license the unlicensed software .
This is RISK MITIGATION .
You can explain the risks to the boss , and recommend the spreading of the costs over a year or two ( explaining that the longer the period , the higher the risk ) , If your budget ca n't support purchasing licenses , then look for free alternatives .
( Look for free alternatives either way , ) Mostly , you just need to put it in terms of a business proposition .
There 's a business risk of having poor license-records .
You want to get that under control within a fixed period .
There should be absolutely NO Issue in getting this under control within 5 years ( as most everything will be replaced by then , I would think - just make sure that license records are kept on all new purchases , and nothing new gets installed without license ) .
Your goal should be to make sure that this period of risk is within the company 's tolerance level for risk .
Can you resolve it within 2 years ?
6 months ? Software license records are like other business risks .
There 's a price for perfection .
Like physical security - SOME risk is ok. You should be working to help minimize the risk over time - not on day 1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many of these comments assume that the boss is an unethical jerk.
My experience is that most business-minded people are both ethical and reasonably smart.I suspect that you went to the boss and said "I can't find the licenses", and the boss heard "here comes a lot of cost, for zero benefit, being recommended by the new guy just because he doesn't know where the records are".Your approach really should be that you, personally, don't want to do anything unethical.
Do you think ANY company in their right mind would NOT want an employee with that attitude?Soa) go on record that you have sought out the licenses and can't find them, and that your boss is sure that they are legally licensed software installations.
(Keep in mind that there is NOTHING illegal with installing licensed software and not keeping good records.
)b) Do your best to HELP the boss get the licensing under control.
The Software vendors have really made this a nightmare.
Your boss may not know.
So present your boss with a software inventory (what's installed), and ask him or her to give a best guess as to how many transferable licenses you have for each software product.
Then ask HIM/HER to accept responsibility for that number, and stick within those parameters.c) If there's a huge discrepancy between what he's willing to sign off on, and what is needed for the business, put a plan in place to decommission or license the unlicensed software.
This is RISK MITIGATION.
You can explain the risks to the boss, and recommend the spreading of the costs over a year or two (explaining that the longer the period, the higher the risk),  If your budget can't support purchasing licenses, then look for free alternatives.
(Look for free alternatives either way,)Mostly, you just need to put it in terms of a business proposition.
There's a business risk of having poor license-records.
You want to get that under control within a fixed period.
There should be absolutely NO Issue in getting this under control within 5 years (as most everything will be replaced by then, I would think - just make sure that license records are kept on all new purchases, and nothing new gets installed without license).
Your goal should be to make sure that this period of risk is within the company's tolerance level for risk.
Can you resolve it within 2 years?
6 months?Software license records are like other business risks.
There's a price for perfection.
Like physical security - SOME risk is ok.  You should be working to help minimize the risk over time - not on day 1.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089502</id>
	<title>Protect Yourself</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258140000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You need to figure out your own liability in this matter and take steps to protect yourself.  If the BSA audits, can your company use you as a scapegoat?  Even if your company doesn't use you, are you liable to BSA fines anyway?</p><p>Clearly distinguish 'legal' from 'moral' in your head.  'Moral' advice here will range from 'keep your head down' to 'quit and call the BSA'.  That's up to you, but make sure you're 'legally' protected.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You need to figure out your own liability in this matter and take steps to protect yourself .
If the BSA audits , can your company use you as a scapegoat ?
Even if your company does n't use you , are you liable to BSA fines anyway ? Clearly distinguish 'legal ' from 'moral ' in your head .
'Moral ' advice here will range from 'keep your head down ' to 'quit and call the BSA' .
That 's up to you , but make sure you 're 'legally ' protected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need to figure out your own liability in this matter and take steps to protect yourself.
If the BSA audits, can your company use you as a scapegoat?
Even if your company doesn't use you, are you liable to BSA fines anyway?Clearly distinguish 'legal' from 'moral' in your head.
'Moral' advice here will range from 'keep your head down' to 'quit and call the BSA'.
That's up to you, but make sure you're 'legally' protected.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091160</id>
	<title>I'm amazed</title>
	<author>jdbausch</author>
	<datestamp>1258103580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am constantly amazed at the relationship the average slashdotter has with management.

it looks something like this:

slashdotter : always has the right answer / opinion

management : to stupid to see / understand / do what I said.

obviously this is NOT reality.

In my opinion the typical reason for this sort of relationship is poor communication from the technical side.

I've worked with HUNDREDS of management teams, and yes there are certainly inept or incompetent ones.

But to the original poster, as an IT pro, it is your job to couch technical needs/issues in terms a businessman can appreciate.


So please disregard what so many people here are telling you about not being able to get management to do anything here...


here is what you need to do:

Document ALL available licenses, regardless of how old  (as in old unused versions - sometimes will show them what they thought they bought is no longer used).  talk to accounting, and have them find ALL purchase records, even if there are NO physical media, licenses, etc.  You need to have every scrap of info, so you can then ask "what am I missing? when your boss says they bought it already.

Document ALL installed software  (ocsinventory-ng is a great tool for this)

Suggest options, with costs associated.  (as indicated by previous posters, 7zip, and OO.O, are options, or they can pay the licenses OR  compare that to what a BSA audit could cost, and how easily it could come)

Once you have clarified it all, my guess is that a reasonable decision will be made.  It might not happen immediately, but you should be able to spec a project to phase the changes in.




I once had a client who was similarly refusing to pay for software, despite my warnings  "this could be a problem"  and "you aren't licensed for this".  I continued to install unlicensed versions, largely due to inexperience, and "the customer is always right" attitude.
They got a threatening letter from the BSA, and quickly turned to me and said "we'll you are taking care of this for us, so how could we be out of compliance".  I basically converted them to the FOSS shown in this thread, and made them buy the rest.  MAde sure all was kosher, and  then said see ya.

lessons learned.  I simply am unwilling to be out of compliance now, for my personal sanity.  because once you wave multiple $250k fines in someones face, they will look for a scape goat somewhere...  you need to be ahead of the game on this.  Had I done my job, and PROPERLY instructed them on the risks of their decisions, it would never have gone down like it did.

These folks were douchey, but I believe that had I expressed the needs correctly the situation would never have occurred, because at the end of the day they are businesspeople, and money talks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am constantly amazed at the relationship the average slashdotter has with management .
it looks something like this : slashdotter : always has the right answer / opinion management : to stupid to see / understand / do what I said .
obviously this is NOT reality .
In my opinion the typical reason for this sort of relationship is poor communication from the technical side .
I 've worked with HUNDREDS of management teams , and yes there are certainly inept or incompetent ones .
But to the original poster , as an IT pro , it is your job to couch technical needs/issues in terms a businessman can appreciate .
So please disregard what so many people here are telling you about not being able to get management to do anything here.. . here is what you need to do : Document ALL available licenses , regardless of how old ( as in old unused versions - sometimes will show them what they thought they bought is no longer used ) .
talk to accounting , and have them find ALL purchase records , even if there are NO physical media , licenses , etc .
You need to have every scrap of info , so you can then ask " what am I missing ?
when your boss says they bought it already .
Document ALL installed software ( ocsinventory-ng is a great tool for this ) Suggest options , with costs associated .
( as indicated by previous posters , 7zip , and OO.O , are options , or they can pay the licenses OR compare that to what a BSA audit could cost , and how easily it could come ) Once you have clarified it all , my guess is that a reasonable decision will be made .
It might not happen immediately , but you should be able to spec a project to phase the changes in .
I once had a client who was similarly refusing to pay for software , despite my warnings " this could be a problem " and " you are n't licensed for this " .
I continued to install unlicensed versions , largely due to inexperience , and " the customer is always right " attitude .
They got a threatening letter from the BSA , and quickly turned to me and said " we 'll you are taking care of this for us , so how could we be out of compliance " .
I basically converted them to the FOSS shown in this thread , and made them buy the rest .
MAde sure all was kosher , and then said see ya .
lessons learned .
I simply am unwilling to be out of compliance now , for my personal sanity .
because once you wave multiple $ 250k fines in someones face , they will look for a scape goat somewhere... you need to be ahead of the game on this .
Had I done my job , and PROPERLY instructed them on the risks of their decisions , it would never have gone down like it did .
These folks were douchey , but I believe that had I expressed the needs correctly the situation would never have occurred , because at the end of the day they are businesspeople , and money talks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am constantly amazed at the relationship the average slashdotter has with management.
it looks something like this:

slashdotter : always has the right answer / opinion

management : to stupid to see / understand / do what I said.
obviously this is NOT reality.
In my opinion the typical reason for this sort of relationship is poor communication from the technical side.
I've worked with HUNDREDS of management teams, and yes there are certainly inept or incompetent ones.
But to the original poster, as an IT pro, it is your job to couch technical needs/issues in terms a businessman can appreciate.
So please disregard what so many people here are telling you about not being able to get management to do anything here...


here is what you need to do:

Document ALL available licenses, regardless of how old  (as in old unused versions - sometimes will show them what they thought they bought is no longer used).
talk to accounting, and have them find ALL purchase records, even if there are NO physical media, licenses, etc.
You need to have every scrap of info, so you can then ask "what am I missing?
when your boss says they bought it already.
Document ALL installed software  (ocsinventory-ng is a great tool for this)

Suggest options, with costs associated.
(as indicated by previous posters, 7zip, and OO.O, are options, or they can pay the licenses OR  compare that to what a BSA audit could cost, and how easily it could come)

Once you have clarified it all, my guess is that a reasonable decision will be made.
It might not happen immediately, but you should be able to spec a project to phase the changes in.
I once had a client who was similarly refusing to pay for software, despite my warnings  "this could be a problem"  and "you aren't licensed for this".
I continued to install unlicensed versions, largely due to inexperience, and "the customer is always right" attitude.
They got a threatening letter from the BSA, and quickly turned to me and said "we'll you are taking care of this for us, so how could we be out of compliance".
I basically converted them to the FOSS shown in this thread, and made them buy the rest.
MAde sure all was kosher, and  then said see ya.
lessons learned.
I simply am unwilling to be out of compliance now, for my personal sanity.
because once you wave multiple $250k fines in someones face, they will look for a scape goat somewhere...  you need to be ahead of the game on this.
Had I done my job, and PROPERLY instructed them on the risks of their decisions, it would never have gone down like it did.
These folks were douchey, but I believe that had I expressed the needs correctly the situation would never have occurred, because at the end of the day they are businesspeople, and money talks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091106</id>
	<title>Re:Piracy</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1258103400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That only makes any sense if you're a software development outfit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That only makes any sense if you 're a software development outfit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That only makes any sense if you're a software development outfit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089170</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30093458</id>
	<title>Develop a strategy</title>
	<author>Coltman</author>
	<datestamp>1258117500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is it all the advice is 'find a new job' or 'suck it up, and do what your told' and 'Your boss is the devil'.</p><p>When I started at my current situation, pirated software was rampant. It was really a situation that should not have happened but it was a person trying to save the company money. The cost to instantly convert the entire company over to licensed software would have severly cripled the company.</p><p>Together with the finance department we developed a strategy that allowed for licensed software for every new station and if new person started at a station we would buy a new license. On top of that we developed stategies to eliminate or reduce the software necessary, such as using a custom web application instead of an Access based system. IT department also stepped up the station turn over as alot of the existing stations were more than 2 years old.</p><p>In a short time we had removed the unlicensed software, and now have a better handle on who needs which software.</p><p>It is all about communication. Develop a strategy, and find ways for the company to remove the unlicensed software so neither you nor your company are in jeopardy of being in the unemployment line.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it all the advice is 'find a new job ' or 'suck it up , and do what your told ' and 'Your boss is the devil'.When I started at my current situation , pirated software was rampant .
It was really a situation that should not have happened but it was a person trying to save the company money .
The cost to instantly convert the entire company over to licensed software would have severly cripled the company.Together with the finance department we developed a strategy that allowed for licensed software for every new station and if new person started at a station we would buy a new license .
On top of that we developed stategies to eliminate or reduce the software necessary , such as using a custom web application instead of an Access based system .
IT department also stepped up the station turn over as alot of the existing stations were more than 2 years old.In a short time we had removed the unlicensed software , and now have a better handle on who needs which software.It is all about communication .
Develop a strategy , and find ways for the company to remove the unlicensed software so neither you nor your company are in jeopardy of being in the unemployment line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it all the advice is 'find a new job' or 'suck it up, and do what your told' and 'Your boss is the devil'.When I started at my current situation, pirated software was rampant.
It was really a situation that should not have happened but it was a person trying to save the company money.
The cost to instantly convert the entire company over to licensed software would have severly cripled the company.Together with the finance department we developed a strategy that allowed for licensed software for every new station and if new person started at a station we would buy a new license.
On top of that we developed stategies to eliminate or reduce the software necessary, such as using a custom web application instead of an Access based system.
IT department also stepped up the station turn over as alot of the existing stations were more than 2 years old.In a short time we had removed the unlicensed software, and now have a better handle on who needs which software.It is all about communication.
Develop a strategy, and find ways for the company to remove the unlicensed software so neither you nor your company are in jeopardy of being in the unemployment line.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088774</id>
	<title>7zip</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258137420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it may be one of those MSDN keys that everyone has. Use 7zip instead of WinZip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it may be one of those MSDN keys that everyone has .
Use 7zip instead of WinZip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it may be one of those MSDN keys that everyone has.
Use 7zip instead of WinZip.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090382</id>
	<title>The only question is...</title>
	<author>Count Sessine</author>
	<datestamp>1258143300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... how badly do you need this job?</p><p>First, remind the managers that there's a real legal liability issue at stake. This company that you're working for is literally 1 disgruntled employee away from a BSA audit, a lawsuit, and all sorts of court-imposed damages. If your managers still don't realize that they're sitting on a powder keg, then that's their business and you have to decided whether you want to be a part of this.</p><p>I'd keep working there and keep steering the company toward free alternatives. Why are you using Winzip, for example, when 7zip is not only free, but so much better? But by staying there and knowing about this, you're complicit it all of this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... how badly do you need this job ? First , remind the managers that there 's a real legal liability issue at stake .
This company that you 're working for is literally 1 disgruntled employee away from a BSA audit , a lawsuit , and all sorts of court-imposed damages .
If your managers still do n't realize that they 're sitting on a powder keg , then that 's their business and you have to decided whether you want to be a part of this.I 'd keep working there and keep steering the company toward free alternatives .
Why are you using Winzip , for example , when 7zip is not only free , but so much better ?
But by staying there and knowing about this , you 're complicit it all of this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... how badly do you need this job?First, remind the managers that there's a real legal liability issue at stake.
This company that you're working for is literally 1 disgruntled employee away from a BSA audit, a lawsuit, and all sorts of court-imposed damages.
If your managers still don't realize that they're sitting on a powder keg, then that's their business and you have to decided whether you want to be a part of this.I'd keep working there and keep steering the company toward free alternatives.
Why are you using Winzip, for example, when 7zip is not only free, but so much better?
But by staying there and knowing about this, you're complicit it all of this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30093250</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright Infringement != Piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258115640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>grow up you retard. nobody gives a fuck about your sad little pedantic war on what you call theft</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>grow up you retard .
nobody gives a fuck about your sad little pedantic war on what you call theft</tokentext>
<sentencetext>grow up you retard.
nobody gives a fuck about your sad little pedantic war on what you call theft</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088850</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30095754</id>
	<title>Re:Let me get past the easy comments...</title>
	<author>JohnPombrio</author>
	<datestamp>1258232160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed. This is the best response I have seen. Try to take the "I know best" out of the equation. Getting hot and bothered by something that I thought was of great importance but management did not almost got me fired more than once. The one time that I could not in all justice keep my mouth shut, my boss was fired and I was "laid off" a few weeks later.
   By keeping your cool and treating this as you would any other IT job, you get a fair chance of fixing it without anyone getting upset. Remember, you are supposed to be an ASSET to the company, not a pain in the ass. I once heard why a manager let a talented employee go. The manager said "the guy was great in doing the job but was it just too much trouble for me to manage him".
 Once more, with feeling "Communicate, communicate, communicate."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
This is the best response I have seen .
Try to take the " I know best " out of the equation .
Getting hot and bothered by something that I thought was of great importance but management did not almost got me fired more than once .
The one time that I could not in all justice keep my mouth shut , my boss was fired and I was " laid off " a few weeks later .
By keeping your cool and treating this as you would any other IT job , you get a fair chance of fixing it without anyone getting upset .
Remember , you are supposed to be an ASSET to the company , not a pain in the ass .
I once heard why a manager let a talented employee go .
The manager said " the guy was great in doing the job but was it just too much trouble for me to manage him " .
Once more , with feeling " Communicate , communicate , communicate .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
This is the best response I have seen.
Try to take the "I know best" out of the equation.
Getting hot and bothered by something that I thought was of great importance but management did not almost got me fired more than once.
The one time that I could not in all justice keep my mouth shut, my boss was fired and I was "laid off" a few weeks later.
By keeping your cool and treating this as you would any other IT job, you get a fair chance of fixing it without anyone getting upset.
Remember, you are supposed to be an ASSET to the company, not a pain in the ass.
I once heard why a manager let a talented employee go.
The manager said "the guy was great in doing the job but was it just too much trouble for me to manage him".
Once more, with feeling "Communicate, communicate, communicate.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089154</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089114</id>
	<title>7 simple guidelines...</title>
	<author>James McP</author>
	<datestamp>1258138680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best case scenario is that you can migrate them to free software and be hailed a hero.  Don't expect it though.  Here are the best of the many ideas I've seen posted to slashdot on this recurring topic.</p><p>1. Consider putting a lawyer on retainer.  Not as expensive as you might think and an hour or so's conversation can ensure that you document all the appropriate recommendations to keep you out of the BSA's sights and do so in a legally admissible fashion.</p><p>2.  Don't make it look like a crusade so avoid being confrontational.  i.e. "We need to find out who uses $software\_package so we can put upgrades/support in next year's budget" or "Investigate free-for-commercial-use $kind\_of\_software to avoid budgeting needs entirely"</p><p>3. Document any time you bring it up with your boss. Use email or written word as much as possible.  BCC an external email address and/or take backups of your exchanges home.  (again, see #1 for region-specific laws)</p><p>4.  Any time you are given a verbal pat on the head, do an email follow up later and if at all possible put the responsibility of license management on them.  "I installed Office on the 2 new-hires' PCs.  We have $quantity copies of Office installed to date.  Let me know when we are getting close to our license limit as I may be able to remove the software from $clueless\_user's PC."</p><p>5.  List any of your little victories as fiscal savings during reviews or status reports. "Have replaced Adobe Acrobate Suite with $freeware\_PDF\_exporter, which will lower our licensing overhead by $250/user and allowed for widespread distribution"</p><p>6. Be prepared to be thrown under the bus.  Companies willing to operate unethically are, by definition, unethical.  Even if you never report them to the BSA, someone else might and you, as the IT guy, may be thrown to the wolves.  Having that documentation of all the times that the CFO/CEO was stated to be in charge of license management and that you had no knowledge of the licensing limits, plus the fact they knew how many instances of software will at least ensure you get your unemployment and that the BSA won't come after you.</p><p>7. If you report them to the BSA, make sure to get the bounty and put your lawyer on notice.  The BSA has a vested interest in concealing their informants, but stuff can come out and unethical people do unethical things.  They often say or do things that are defamatory in the process.  Whistleblower laws should ensure you can get compensation for lost wages, compensation for defamation, damage to career, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best case scenario is that you can migrate them to free software and be hailed a hero .
Do n't expect it though .
Here are the best of the many ideas I 've seen posted to slashdot on this recurring topic.1 .
Consider putting a lawyer on retainer .
Not as expensive as you might think and an hour or so 's conversation can ensure that you document all the appropriate recommendations to keep you out of the BSA 's sights and do so in a legally admissible fashion.2 .
Do n't make it look like a crusade so avoid being confrontational .
i.e. " We need to find out who uses $ software \ _package so we can put upgrades/support in next year 's budget " or " Investigate free-for-commercial-use $ kind \ _of \ _software to avoid budgeting needs entirely " 3 .
Document any time you bring it up with your boss .
Use email or written word as much as possible .
BCC an external email address and/or take backups of your exchanges home .
( again , see # 1 for region-specific laws ) 4 .
Any time you are given a verbal pat on the head , do an email follow up later and if at all possible put the responsibility of license management on them .
" I installed Office on the 2 new-hires ' PCs .
We have $ quantity copies of Office installed to date .
Let me know when we are getting close to our license limit as I may be able to remove the software from $ clueless \ _user 's PC. " 5 .
List any of your little victories as fiscal savings during reviews or status reports .
" Have replaced Adobe Acrobate Suite with $ freeware \ _PDF \ _exporter , which will lower our licensing overhead by $ 250/user and allowed for widespread distribution " 6 .
Be prepared to be thrown under the bus .
Companies willing to operate unethically are , by definition , unethical .
Even if you never report them to the BSA , someone else might and you , as the IT guy , may be thrown to the wolves .
Having that documentation of all the times that the CFO/CEO was stated to be in charge of license management and that you had no knowledge of the licensing limits , plus the fact they knew how many instances of software will at least ensure you get your unemployment and that the BSA wo n't come after you.7 .
If you report them to the BSA , make sure to get the bounty and put your lawyer on notice .
The BSA has a vested interest in concealing their informants , but stuff can come out and unethical people do unethical things .
They often say or do things that are defamatory in the process .
Whistleblower laws should ensure you can get compensation for lost wages , compensation for defamation , damage to career , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best case scenario is that you can migrate them to free software and be hailed a hero.
Don't expect it though.
Here are the best of the many ideas I've seen posted to slashdot on this recurring topic.1.
Consider putting a lawyer on retainer.
Not as expensive as you might think and an hour or so's conversation can ensure that you document all the appropriate recommendations to keep you out of the BSA's sights and do so in a legally admissible fashion.2.
Don't make it look like a crusade so avoid being confrontational.
i.e. "We need to find out who uses $software\_package so we can put upgrades/support in next year's budget" or "Investigate free-for-commercial-use $kind\_of\_software to avoid budgeting needs entirely"3.
Document any time you bring it up with your boss.
Use email or written word as much as possible.
BCC an external email address and/or take backups of your exchanges home.
(again, see #1 for region-specific laws)4.
Any time you are given a verbal pat on the head, do an email follow up later and if at all possible put the responsibility of license management on them.
"I installed Office on the 2 new-hires' PCs.
We have $quantity copies of Office installed to date.
Let me know when we are getting close to our license limit as I may be able to remove the software from $clueless\_user's PC."5.
List any of your little victories as fiscal savings during reviews or status reports.
"Have replaced Adobe Acrobate Suite with $freeware\_PDF\_exporter, which will lower our licensing overhead by $250/user and allowed for widespread distribution"6.
Be prepared to be thrown under the bus.
Companies willing to operate unethically are, by definition, unethical.
Even if you never report them to the BSA, someone else might and you, as the IT guy, may be thrown to the wolves.
Having that documentation of all the times that the CFO/CEO was stated to be in charge of license management and that you had no knowledge of the licensing limits, plus the fact they knew how many instances of software will at least ensure you get your unemployment and that the BSA won't come after you.7.
If you report them to the BSA, make sure to get the bounty and put your lawyer on notice.
The BSA has a vested interest in concealing their informants, but stuff can come out and unethical people do unethical things.
They often say or do things that are defamatory in the process.
Whistleblower laws should ensure you can get compensation for lost wages, compensation for defamation, damage to career, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090724</id>
	<title>Re:Common cause of termination in bad startups</title>
	<author>jsebrech</author>
	<datestamp>1258144860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft has many programs to help tech startups get their software very cheaply, like bizspark and the action pack subscription. If you're a tech startup that's pirating microsoft software, you probably haven't done your homework.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft has many programs to help tech startups get their software very cheaply , like bizspark and the action pack subscription .
If you 're a tech startup that 's pirating microsoft software , you probably have n't done your homework .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft has many programs to help tech startups get their software very cheaply, like bizspark and the action pack subscription.
If you're a tech startup that's pirating microsoft software, you probably haven't done your homework.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30093978</id>
	<title>Re:Your answer is at http://www.monster.com</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1258121280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You can find them FOSS substitutes for their existing software.</p></div></blockquote><p>That's not going to help, they already have their "free" software.  All you can do is make sure that the new stuff coming in on your watch has valid licences.<br>Don't worry about it too much.  This sort of crap appears to be a normal situation in a lot of MS Windows shops and you are not going to be able to change the culture only the licences one at a time.  I've never met an MS Windows fanboy that ever paid for the thing.<br>When I faced the same situation (100+ MS Windows machines without a single valid licence for Win2k or MS Office) the only thing to do was report it to management and take up the next contract.<br> I don't have many MS Windows machines now so the OEM licence approach works (especially since users often say "I need to run program X, my computer won't be good enough to run it").  Sometimes things happen like a department suddenly gets MS Office 2007 from nowhere, but luckily the guy that decided to go around IT to get it actually got a licence for each.  Far more than I expected from a dotnet developer so clueless that everyone has to run his crappy single user at a time database program as Admin so it can write a lock file to the root of their system drive and other stupidity.<br>Registration and updates are actually starting to chip away at the MS Windows fanboy culture and it's now more convenient for them to get the company to pay for things than to install a dodgy copy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can find them FOSS substitutes for their existing software.That 's not going to help , they already have their " free " software .
All you can do is make sure that the new stuff coming in on your watch has valid licences.Do n't worry about it too much .
This sort of crap appears to be a normal situation in a lot of MS Windows shops and you are not going to be able to change the culture only the licences one at a time .
I 've never met an MS Windows fanboy that ever paid for the thing.When I faced the same situation ( 100 + MS Windows machines without a single valid licence for Win2k or MS Office ) the only thing to do was report it to management and take up the next contract .
I do n't have many MS Windows machines now so the OEM licence approach works ( especially since users often say " I need to run program X , my computer wo n't be good enough to run it " ) .
Sometimes things happen like a department suddenly gets MS Office 2007 from nowhere , but luckily the guy that decided to go around IT to get it actually got a licence for each .
Far more than I expected from a dotnet developer so clueless that everyone has to run his crappy single user at a time database program as Admin so it can write a lock file to the root of their system drive and other stupidity.Registration and updates are actually starting to chip away at the MS Windows fanboy culture and it 's now more convenient for them to get the company to pay for things than to install a dodgy copy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can find them FOSS substitutes for their existing software.That's not going to help, they already have their "free" software.
All you can do is make sure that the new stuff coming in on your watch has valid licences.Don't worry about it too much.
This sort of crap appears to be a normal situation in a lot of MS Windows shops and you are not going to be able to change the culture only the licences one at a time.
I've never met an MS Windows fanboy that ever paid for the thing.When I faced the same situation (100+ MS Windows machines without a single valid licence for Win2k or MS Office) the only thing to do was report it to management and take up the next contract.
I don't have many MS Windows machines now so the OEM licence approach works (especially since users often say "I need to run program X, my computer won't be good enough to run it").
Sometimes things happen like a department suddenly gets MS Office 2007 from nowhere, but luckily the guy that decided to go around IT to get it actually got a licence for each.
Far more than I expected from a dotnet developer so clueless that everyone has to run his crappy single user at a time database program as Admin so it can write a lock file to the root of their system drive and other stupidity.Registration and updates are actually starting to chip away at the MS Windows fanboy culture and it's now more convenient for them to get the company to pay for things than to install a dodgy copy.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088546</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089526</id>
	<title>From someone in the trenches.</title>
	<author>dthanna</author>
	<datestamp>1258140120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Either get licensed or get a new job - seems to be the running theme here.  I agree.

As the license manager (and product expert) for Adobe Acrobat at my company I can honestly say that if you don't have the support of leadership to get and stay licensed you really need to get a new job.

Software worth using is software worth paying for.

Many software companies really would rather you became compliant rather than have to deal with litigation - no one wins.  And in these economic times your negotiation power is that much greater.  You can always threaten with the 'I really like your xyz product, but if terms aren't favorable I guess we will just have to go with the FOSS abc tool.  Yea, we are willing to take the functional hit.'  Two things - be willing to back it up.  Be reasonable in your requests.  Sorry - you will never get Acrobat Pro for less that $250/seat unless you are handing over at least seven figures.  But by then, you are already at CLP Level 4 pricing - which is a significant discount against list - that you can leverage across ALL your Adobe products (CS, Flex, etc.)

For Acrobat - Yea, it's expensive but it does a lot of things that are hard to do with FOSS* tools. You may also want to investigate just 'lower cost' alternatives - Nuance's is pretty good along the solution from ArtsPDF.  With some negotiation you may be able to get Nuance's sub $10US/seat.  Stay away from PDF995 and other such really low-cost tools - they aren't worth the hassle.  The primary problem with them is the way they handle the conversion.  Most are implemented as a GDI printer which tends to have problems with some graphics and layout accuracy.  Direct to PDF is the best (e.g. Adobe CS tools), but if the underlying library is bunk that makes the PDF bunk.  Second best is through PostScript, but it has it's limitations.

PDF, as a filetype, is much, much more complicated than many folks realize.  A lots of ways to screw it up - not so many to do it right.

* Sorry if I rub some folks wrong here - but I have yet to find a FOSS implemented PDF library that is any good.  The GNU library, and products based on it (OpenOffice, GhostScript, FOP, etc.) really produce poor quality PDFs in the production world.  For quick, one-off work it works just fine.  But when you have to take their PDF output and use it as input into another system (or even just to combine them) they tend to breakdown.  Or the PDF becomes overly bloated.  Yes, the Adobe library is expensive, but I know what I am getting and don't have problems with them.  PDFlib is also a really good production-grade library and isn't all that expensive.  Licensing terms are more than generous.  More language bindings and platforms than you can shake a stick at (even native z/OS - not just USFHFS).   We had some reasonable success with iText for on-the-fly generation but in a production print workflow, not all that good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Either get licensed or get a new job - seems to be the running theme here .
I agree .
As the license manager ( and product expert ) for Adobe Acrobat at my company I can honestly say that if you do n't have the support of leadership to get and stay licensed you really need to get a new job .
Software worth using is software worth paying for .
Many software companies really would rather you became compliant rather than have to deal with litigation - no one wins .
And in these economic times your negotiation power is that much greater .
You can always threaten with the 'I really like your xyz product , but if terms are n't favorable I guess we will just have to go with the FOSS abc tool .
Yea , we are willing to take the functional hit .
' Two things - be willing to back it up .
Be reasonable in your requests .
Sorry - you will never get Acrobat Pro for less that $ 250/seat unless you are handing over at least seven figures .
But by then , you are already at CLP Level 4 pricing - which is a significant discount against list - that you can leverage across ALL your Adobe products ( CS , Flex , etc .
) For Acrobat - Yea , it 's expensive but it does a lot of things that are hard to do with FOSS * tools .
You may also want to investigate just 'lower cost ' alternatives - Nuance 's is pretty good along the solution from ArtsPDF .
With some negotiation you may be able to get Nuance 's sub $ 10US/seat .
Stay away from PDF995 and other such really low-cost tools - they are n't worth the hassle .
The primary problem with them is the way they handle the conversion .
Most are implemented as a GDI printer which tends to have problems with some graphics and layout accuracy .
Direct to PDF is the best ( e.g .
Adobe CS tools ) , but if the underlying library is bunk that makes the PDF bunk .
Second best is through PostScript , but it has it 's limitations .
PDF , as a filetype , is much , much more complicated than many folks realize .
A lots of ways to screw it up - not so many to do it right .
* Sorry if I rub some folks wrong here - but I have yet to find a FOSS implemented PDF library that is any good .
The GNU library , and products based on it ( OpenOffice , GhostScript , FOP , etc .
) really produce poor quality PDFs in the production world .
For quick , one-off work it works just fine .
But when you have to take their PDF output and use it as input into another system ( or even just to combine them ) they tend to breakdown .
Or the PDF becomes overly bloated .
Yes , the Adobe library is expensive , but I know what I am getting and do n't have problems with them .
PDFlib is also a really good production-grade library and is n't all that expensive .
Licensing terms are more than generous .
More language bindings and platforms than you can shake a stick at ( even native z/OS - not just USFHFS ) .
We had some reasonable success with iText for on-the-fly generation but in a production print workflow , not all that good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Either get licensed or get a new job - seems to be the running theme here.
I agree.
As the license manager (and product expert) for Adobe Acrobat at my company I can honestly say that if you don't have the support of leadership to get and stay licensed you really need to get a new job.
Software worth using is software worth paying for.
Many software companies really would rather you became compliant rather than have to deal with litigation - no one wins.
And in these economic times your negotiation power is that much greater.
You can always threaten with the 'I really like your xyz product, but if terms aren't favorable I guess we will just have to go with the FOSS abc tool.
Yea, we are willing to take the functional hit.
'  Two things - be willing to back it up.
Be reasonable in your requests.
Sorry - you will never get Acrobat Pro for less that $250/seat unless you are handing over at least seven figures.
But by then, you are already at CLP Level 4 pricing - which is a significant discount against list - that you can leverage across ALL your Adobe products (CS, Flex, etc.
)

For Acrobat - Yea, it's expensive but it does a lot of things that are hard to do with FOSS* tools.
You may also want to investigate just 'lower cost' alternatives - Nuance's is pretty good along the solution from ArtsPDF.
With some negotiation you may be able to get Nuance's sub $10US/seat.
Stay away from PDF995 and other such really low-cost tools - they aren't worth the hassle.
The primary problem with them is the way they handle the conversion.
Most are implemented as a GDI printer which tends to have problems with some graphics and layout accuracy.
Direct to PDF is the best (e.g.
Adobe CS tools), but if the underlying library is bunk that makes the PDF bunk.
Second best is through PostScript, but it has it's limitations.
PDF, as a filetype, is much, much more complicated than many folks realize.
A lots of ways to screw it up - not so many to do it right.
* Sorry if I rub some folks wrong here - but I have yet to find a FOSS implemented PDF library that is any good.
The GNU library, and products based on it (OpenOffice, GhostScript, FOP, etc.
) really produce poor quality PDFs in the production world.
For quick, one-off work it works just fine.
But when you have to take their PDF output and use it as input into another system (or even just to combine them) they tend to breakdown.
Or the PDF becomes overly bloated.
Yes, the Adobe library is expensive, but I know what I am getting and don't have problems with them.
PDFlib is also a really good production-grade library and isn't all that expensive.
Licensing terms are more than generous.
More language bindings and platforms than you can shake a stick at (even native z/OS - not just USFHFS).
We had some reasonable success with iText for on-the-fly generation but in a production print workflow, not all that good.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089100</id>
	<title>CYA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Send the CEO an email detailing your concerns. "Follow up to our conversation", "please advise where the licenses are kept" and "thanks for taking the time to clear this up" - keep it very professional, you're trying to help, you're not accusing. He'll probably reply to you by e-mail (I'd bet on it). Print out both letters and file them away safely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Send the CEO an email detailing your concerns .
" Follow up to our conversation " , " please advise where the licenses are kept " and " thanks for taking the time to clear this up " - keep it very professional , you 're trying to help , you 're not accusing .
He 'll probably reply to you by e-mail ( I 'd bet on it ) .
Print out both letters and file them away safely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Send the CEO an email detailing your concerns.
"Follow up to our conversation", "please advise where the licenses are kept" and "thanks for taking the time to clear this up" - keep it very professional, you're trying to help, you're not accusing.
He'll probably reply to you by e-mail (I'd bet on it).
Print out both letters and file them away safely.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088798</id>
	<title>Deserving</title>
	<author>jamienk</author>
	<datestamp>1258137540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When the lamb has struggled so long and hard to get food fight illness and brave the elements, don't you think it deserves to not be killed by the lion? WinZip, that succulent little lamb, will be eaten by us, the vicious software pirates, however we moralize. It is our nature.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When the lamb has struggled so long and hard to get food fight illness and brave the elements , do n't you think it deserves to not be killed by the lion ?
WinZip , that succulent little lamb , will be eaten by us , the vicious software pirates , however we moralize .
It is our nature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the lamb has struggled so long and hard to get food fight illness and brave the elements, don't you think it deserves to not be killed by the lion?
WinZip, that succulent little lamb, will be eaten by us, the vicious software pirates, however we moralize.
It is our nature.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30093522</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258117860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Security essentials is free for business, so replace AVG with that:</p><p> <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/</a> [microsoft.com] </p></div><p>From the Security Essentials Terms of Use:</p><p>1.    INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.<br>a.    Use. You may install and use any number of copies of the software on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business.</p><p>Any use even in a real small business breaks this use agreement.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Security essentials is free for business , so replace AVG with that : http : //www.microsoft.com/Security \ _Essentials/ [ microsoft.com ] From the Security Essentials Terms of Use : 1 .
INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.a .
Use. You may install and use any number of copies of the software on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business.Any use even in a real small business breaks this use agreement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Security essentials is free for business, so replace AVG with that: http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/ [microsoft.com] From the Security Essentials Terms of Use:1.
INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.a.
Use. You may install and use any number of copies of the software on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business.Any use even in a real small business breaks this use agreement.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30094432</id>
	<title>Do the right thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258125840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Call in the authorities and leave the company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Call in the authorities and leave the company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Call in the authorities and leave the company.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30092882</id>
	<title>white lie?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258113060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps your boss could be swayed by white lie?<br>"Microsoft is going to quietly roll out an automatic update on all operating systems that will check for illegal software, and deem it unusable after 90 days of continued use."</p><p>I don't go as far as saying that at my job, but i just simply go with the frank "well I have a CD for it and \_can\_ install it, but without a legit key, the software just won't work."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps your boss could be swayed by white lie ?
" Microsoft is going to quietly roll out an automatic update on all operating systems that will check for illegal software , and deem it unusable after 90 days of continued use .
" I do n't go as far as saying that at my job , but i just simply go with the frank " well I have a CD for it and \ _can \ _ install it , but without a legit key , the software just wo n't work .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps your boss could be swayed by white lie?
"Microsoft is going to quietly roll out an automatic update on all operating systems that will check for illegal software, and deem it unusable after 90 days of continued use.
"I don't go as far as saying that at my job, but i just simply go with the frank "well I have a CD for it and \_can\_ install it, but without a legit key, the software just won't work.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30092008</id>
	<title>Re:Welcome to the real world</title>
	<author>tftp</author>
	<datestamp>1258107720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Since Beta has not spent the time and money to comply with licensing, it is able to provide it's services at lesser cost than Alpha.  Alpha loses customers to Beta.</i>
</p><p>
Alpha and Beta also have 1000 other reasons to offer different prices:
</p><ul>
<li>They are in different locations, paying different taxes</li>
<li>They use different buildings, carrying different loans</li>
<li>They hire different people, resulting in different salaries</li>
<li>They use different tools, resulting in different expenses</li>
<li>They offer slightly different services, resulting in different costs</li>
<li>And so on...</li>
</ul><p>
Picking s/w licenses as the only cause of different prices is ridiculous. If the company is using p1rated software then it definitely cuts other corners as well, and at any time that company may go down. The term "fly by night" applies to them, and you deal with them at your own risk.
</p><p>
So, as an example, I can buy a wall clock from a seller on Amazon or Ebay, for minimal price but taking some risk. Maybe the clock will come broken; or maybe it is not what I thought it is; or maybe the seller doesn't take returns. Alternatively, I can go to a large store (like Sears) and buy the same clock there, for more money. But they will bring the clock to me, show it to me, wait while I examine and consider the clock, and package it. And there is hardly any risk, they will take the defective item back with no questions asked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since Beta has not spent the time and money to comply with licensing , it is able to provide it 's services at lesser cost than Alpha .
Alpha loses customers to Beta .
Alpha and Beta also have 1000 other reasons to offer different prices : They are in different locations , paying different taxes They use different buildings , carrying different loans They hire different people , resulting in different salaries They use different tools , resulting in different expenses They offer slightly different services , resulting in different costs And so on.. . Picking s/w licenses as the only cause of different prices is ridiculous .
If the company is using p1rated software then it definitely cuts other corners as well , and at any time that company may go down .
The term " fly by night " applies to them , and you deal with them at your own risk .
So , as an example , I can buy a wall clock from a seller on Amazon or Ebay , for minimal price but taking some risk .
Maybe the clock will come broken ; or maybe it is not what I thought it is ; or maybe the seller does n't take returns .
Alternatively , I can go to a large store ( like Sears ) and buy the same clock there , for more money .
But they will bring the clock to me , show it to me , wait while I examine and consider the clock , and package it .
And there is hardly any risk , they will take the defective item back with no questions asked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Since Beta has not spent the time and money to comply with licensing, it is able to provide it's services at lesser cost than Alpha.
Alpha loses customers to Beta.
Alpha and Beta also have 1000 other reasons to offer different prices:

They are in different locations, paying different taxes
They use different buildings, carrying different loans
They hire different people, resulting in different salaries
They use different tools, resulting in different expenses
They offer slightly different services, resulting in different costs
And so on...

Picking s/w licenses as the only cause of different prices is ridiculous.
If the company is using p1rated software then it definitely cuts other corners as well, and at any time that company may go down.
The term "fly by night" applies to them, and you deal with them at your own risk.
So, as an example, I can buy a wall clock from a seller on Amazon or Ebay, for minimal price but taking some risk.
Maybe the clock will come broken; or maybe it is not what I thought it is; or maybe the seller doesn't take returns.
Alternatively, I can go to a large store (like Sears) and buy the same clock there, for more money.
But they will bring the clock to me, show it to me, wait while I examine and consider the clock, and package it.
And there is hardly any risk, they will take the defective item back with no questions asked.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091688</id>
	<title>Perform your own audit</title>
	<author>FreeBSD evangelist</author>
	<datestamp>1258106160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are several free (or one-time use) software audit tools available.  Download them from below and run them.  Then give the output reports to your CIO and/or CFO.  Keep copies for yourself, and document that you did the audits.</p><p>This is not a matter to shrug off.  I used to work at a company that got fined $40,000 for not being able to document our licenses.  I actually believe we were in compliance, but we couldn't prove it.</p><p><a href="http://www.bsa.org/country/Tools\%20and\%20Resources/Free\%20Software\%20Audit\%20Tools.aspx" title="bsa.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.bsa.org/country/Tools\%20and\%20Resources/Free\%20Software\%20Audit\%20Tools.aspx</a> [bsa.org]<br><a href="http://www.bsa.org/country/Tools\%20and\%20Resources/For\%20Employers.aspx" title="bsa.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.bsa.org/country/Tools\%20and\%20Resources/For\%20Employers.aspx</a> [bsa.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are several free ( or one-time use ) software audit tools available .
Download them from below and run them .
Then give the output reports to your CIO and/or CFO .
Keep copies for yourself , and document that you did the audits.This is not a matter to shrug off .
I used to work at a company that got fined $ 40,000 for not being able to document our licenses .
I actually believe we were in compliance , but we could n't prove it.http : //www.bsa.org/country/Tools \ % 20and \ % 20Resources/Free \ % 20Software \ % 20Audit \ % 20Tools.aspx [ bsa.org ] http : //www.bsa.org/country/Tools \ % 20and \ % 20Resources/For \ % 20Employers.aspx [ bsa.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are several free (or one-time use) software audit tools available.
Download them from below and run them.
Then give the output reports to your CIO and/or CFO.
Keep copies for yourself, and document that you did the audits.This is not a matter to shrug off.
I used to work at a company that got fined $40,000 for not being able to document our licenses.
I actually believe we were in compliance, but we couldn't prove it.http://www.bsa.org/country/Tools\%20and\%20Resources/Free\%20Software\%20Audit\%20Tools.aspx [bsa.org]http://www.bsa.org/country/Tools\%20and\%20Resources/For\%20Employers.aspx [bsa.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089138</id>
	<title>Talk to legal</title>
	<author>eli867</author>
	<datestamp>1258138860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the boss won't listen, perhaps you're talking to the wrong person. This company have a legal department? Talk to them and point out the potentially cripplingly liability that the company is subjecting itself to by using pirated software.</p><p>I'd start looking for a new job, regardless. The kind of company that is fine with cutting some illegal corners to get the job done is not a good place to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the boss wo n't listen , perhaps you 're talking to the wrong person .
This company have a legal department ?
Talk to them and point out the potentially cripplingly liability that the company is subjecting itself to by using pirated software.I 'd start looking for a new job , regardless .
The kind of company that is fine with cutting some illegal corners to get the job done is not a good place to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the boss won't listen, perhaps you're talking to the wrong person.
This company have a legal department?
Talk to them and point out the potentially cripplingly liability that the company is subjecting itself to by using pirated software.I'd start looking for a new job, regardless.
The kind of company that is fine with cutting some illegal corners to get the job done is not a good place to work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089284</id>
	<title>Quit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258139340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your employer is stealing.  Quit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your employer is stealing .
Quit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your employer is stealing.
Quit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088710</id>
	<title>Common cause of termination in bad startups</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258137060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A friend of mine was uncomfortable with using the pirated s/w at her company and so switched her computer and work products<br>from (pirated) Office to OpenOffice, (pirated) MatLab to Octave, and VBA to python. She also brought the overall issue up with the CEO, suggesting<br>that the company should pay for its payware, or switch to FOSS.</p><p>Needless to say, not long afterwards, she was terminated with some lame excuse but it's clear it was for not being a "team player".</p><p>The 95\% of the technology startups in our town are laughingly underfunded<br>(e.g. reverse mortgage on CEO's house and small contribution from Aunt Tilly's bakery), so they have no<br>money for legit licenses. Unfortunately, the management at many are too stupid to understand that there are perfectly good FOSS<br>alternatives for all of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A friend of mine was uncomfortable with using the pirated s/w at her company and so switched her computer and work productsfrom ( pirated ) Office to OpenOffice , ( pirated ) MatLab to Octave , and VBA to python .
She also brought the overall issue up with the CEO , suggestingthat the company should pay for its payware , or switch to FOSS.Needless to say , not long afterwards , she was terminated with some lame excuse but it 's clear it was for not being a " team player " .The 95 \ % of the technology startups in our town are laughingly underfunded ( e.g .
reverse mortgage on CEO 's house and small contribution from Aunt Tilly 's bakery ) , so they have nomoney for legit licenses .
Unfortunately , the management at many are too stupid to understand that there are perfectly good FOSSalternatives for all of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A friend of mine was uncomfortable with using the pirated s/w at her company and so switched her computer and work productsfrom (pirated) Office to OpenOffice, (pirated) MatLab to Octave, and VBA to python.
She also brought the overall issue up with the CEO, suggestingthat the company should pay for its payware, or switch to FOSS.Needless to say, not long afterwards, she was terminated with some lame excuse but it's clear it was for not being a "team player".The 95\% of the technology startups in our town are laughingly underfunded(e.g.
reverse mortgage on CEO's house and small contribution from Aunt Tilly's bakery), so they have nomoney for legit licenses.
Unfortunately, the management at many are too stupid to understand that there are perfectly good FOSSalternatives for all of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088816</id>
	<title>Not that big of a deal</title>
	<author>stim</author>
	<datestamp>1258137600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Make sure you have written documentation expressing your concern, then move on.

Then if they ever just royally screw you over, you can tell on them!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Make sure you have written documentation expressing your concern , then move on .
Then if they ever just royally screw you over , you can tell on them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make sure you have written documentation expressing your concern, then move on.
Then if they ever just royally screw you over, you can tell on them!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30153008</id>
	<title>Shopping Tip for Non Profits</title>
	<author>The Angry Mick</author>
	<datestamp>1257097020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>They did agree to take it slow and get legit over a period of time. During that period, I did install Office on more machines but they bought the licenses over a period of 18 months. In the end, I am happy to say we are nearly 100\% compliant.</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>For non-profits looking to acquire licenses to get compliant take a look at sites like <a href="http://www.techsoup.org/" title="techsoup.org">TechSoup.org</a> [techsoup.org].  Lots of Microsoft and Adobe software, as well as others at greatly reduced prices ($16 bucks per license for Office 2007).  For MS stuff, you can acquire up to 50 licenses for up to 6 titles every two years (with product assurance, if that matters to you).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They did agree to take it slow and get legit over a period of time .
During that period , I did install Office on more machines but they bought the licenses over a period of 18 months .
In the end , I am happy to say we are nearly 100 \ % compliant .
For non-profits looking to acquire licenses to get compliant take a look at sites like TechSoup.org [ techsoup.org ] .
Lots of Microsoft and Adobe software , as well as others at greatly reduced prices ( $ 16 bucks per license for Office 2007 ) .
For MS stuff , you can acquire up to 50 licenses for up to 6 titles every two years ( with product assurance , if that matters to you ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> They did agree to take it slow and get legit over a period of time.
During that period, I did install Office on more machines but they bought the licenses over a period of 18 months.
In the end, I am happy to say we are nearly 100\% compliant.
For non-profits looking to acquire licenses to get compliant take a look at sites like TechSoup.org [techsoup.org].
Lots of Microsoft and Adobe software, as well as others at greatly reduced prices ($16 bucks per license for Office 2007).
For MS stuff, you can acquire up to 50 licenses for up to 6 titles every two years (with product assurance, if that matters to you).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089860</id>
	<title>Re:Different Approach</title>
	<author>Ramirozz</author>
	<datestamp>1258141380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree... most managers see this as a money / time / resources issue so by proving that you will save them some bucks they will be more eager to listen. Sad but true.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree... most managers see this as a money / time / resources issue so by proving that you will save them some bucks they will be more eager to listen .
Sad but true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree... most managers see this as a money / time / resources issue so by proving that you will save them some bucks they will be more eager to listen.
Sad but true.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090640</id>
	<title>OpenSource and free software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258144440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For once, replace WinZip with 7-zip (also how old are the computers? Windows XP has free built in zip software... so does 2000/ME I think). We also use:</p><p>Skype<br>ImgBurn<br>OpenProj<br>OpenOffice<br>FileZilla</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For once , replace WinZip with 7-zip ( also how old are the computers ?
Windows XP has free built in zip software... so does 2000/ME I think ) .
We also use : SkypeImgBurnOpenProjOpenOfficeFileZilla</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For once, replace WinZip with 7-zip (also how old are the computers?
Windows XP has free built in zip software... so does 2000/ME I think).
We also use:SkypeImgBurnOpenProjOpenOfficeFileZilla</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088964</id>
	<title>Screw Him Before He Screws You</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it's easy for your boss to screw  others, and even a cheap WinZip is too much to pay, how hard is it for him to screw you too? Find a job where you don't have to be constantly watching your back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 's easy for your boss to screw others , and even a cheap WinZip is too much to pay , how hard is it for him to screw you too ?
Find a job where you do n't have to be constantly watching your back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it's easy for your boss to screw  others, and even a cheap WinZip is too much to pay, how hard is it for him to screw you too?
Find a job where you don't have to be constantly watching your back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090516</id>
	<title>Carrot vs. stick</title>
	<author>tverbeek</author>
	<datestamp>1258143900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was faced with this problem in my first job out of college, I tried the "carrot" approach, pointing out that we'd get a user's manual with each legitimate WordPerfect or Lotus 123 license we purchased.  Obviously that won't work today.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was faced with this problem in my first job out of college , I tried the " carrot " approach , pointing out that we 'd get a user 's manual with each legitimate WordPerfect or Lotus 123 license we purchased .
Obviously that wo n't work today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was faced with this problem in my first job out of college, I tried the "carrot" approach, pointing out that we'd get a user's manual with each legitimate WordPerfect or Lotus 123 license we purchased.
Obviously that won't work today.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088950</id>
	<title>All I can say is..</title>
	<author>Guiness Boy</author>
	<datestamp>1258138080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>CYA, CYA, CYA.
Document the crap out of your findings and suggestions to Management. If they don't listen then you have proof that you informed them of their evil ways. Then you can jump ship and call the SBA.

Personally, I made it my job to uninstall every piece of illegal software in my organization. People didn't like it. People complained. But included in my job description was "ensuring the proper use of software". So, that's what I did. I became the BOFH very quickly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>CYA , CYA , CYA .
Document the crap out of your findings and suggestions to Management .
If they do n't listen then you have proof that you informed them of their evil ways .
Then you can jump ship and call the SBA .
Personally , I made it my job to uninstall every piece of illegal software in my organization .
People did n't like it .
People complained .
But included in my job description was " ensuring the proper use of software " .
So , that 's what I did .
I became the BOFH very quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CYA, CYA, CYA.
Document the crap out of your findings and suggestions to Management.
If they don't listen then you have proof that you informed them of their evil ways.
Then you can jump ship and call the SBA.
Personally, I made it my job to uninstall every piece of illegal software in my organization.
People didn't like it.
People complained.
But included in my job description was "ensuring the proper use of software".
So, that's what I did.
I became the BOFH very quickly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089976</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258141860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is MS Security Essentials free for business use?  I wasn't sure, but the license states:</p><p>"You may install and use any number of copies of the software on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is MS Security Essentials free for business use ?
I was n't sure , but the license states : " You may install and use any number of copies of the software on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is MS Security Essentials free for business use?
I wasn't sure, but the license states:"You may install and use any number of copies of the software on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089880</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Bourdain</author>
	<datestamp>1258141500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Re: a winzip / xp zip handler alternative -- I recommend izarc --&gt; <a href="http://www.izarc.org/" title="izarc.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.izarc.org/</a> [izarc.org]</p><p>It has a less convoluted interface than 7Zip though it is not OSS, I believe it is free for commercial use</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Re : a winzip / xp zip handler alternative -- I recommend izarc -- &gt; http : //www.izarc.org/ [ izarc.org ] It has a less convoluted interface than 7Zip though it is not OSS , I believe it is free for commercial use</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Re: a winzip / xp zip handler alternative -- I recommend izarc --&gt; http://www.izarc.org/ [izarc.org]It has a less convoluted interface than 7Zip though it is not OSS, I believe it is free for commercial use</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089464</id>
	<title>Re:Different Approach</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258139880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um, it's his *job*, he's getting paid. More time = more money. Even if you're right that free software requires more time (which is not true at all; OpenOffice Write is much easier and quicker to use than Word 2007, for example), why would that be a bad thing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um , it 's his * job * , he 's getting paid .
More time = more money .
Even if you 're right that free software requires more time ( which is not true at all ; OpenOffice Write is much easier and quicker to use than Word 2007 , for example ) , why would that be a bad thing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um, it's his *job*, he's getting paid.
More time = more money.
Even if you're right that free software requires more time (which is not true at all; OpenOffice Write is much easier and quicker to use than Word 2007, for example), why would that be a bad thing?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089234</id>
	<title>Re:Common cause of termination in bad startups</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258139220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's sad that education can solve these problems. But even if people like this were educated about the availability of FOSS alternatives, it would require further education to be able to comfortably use these alternatives and feel like there is support available if needed. And so they have to make a decision. Do I use what I know, but use it illegally, and run the risks associated with that? In return I would be able to quickly move past the software issues at hand and on to the business I'm running. Or do I take to time to find alternatives and learn how to use them, along with my employees? In return I save money (and/or reduce risk) but my time to run the business is reduced.</p><p>For some the choice is clear. For others the choice is clear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's sad that education can solve these problems .
But even if people like this were educated about the availability of FOSS alternatives , it would require further education to be able to comfortably use these alternatives and feel like there is support available if needed .
And so they have to make a decision .
Do I use what I know , but use it illegally , and run the risks associated with that ?
In return I would be able to quickly move past the software issues at hand and on to the business I 'm running .
Or do I take to time to find alternatives and learn how to use them , along with my employees ?
In return I save money ( and/or reduce risk ) but my time to run the business is reduced.For some the choice is clear .
For others the choice is clear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's sad that education can solve these problems.
But even if people like this were educated about the availability of FOSS alternatives, it would require further education to be able to comfortably use these alternatives and feel like there is support available if needed.
And so they have to make a decision.
Do I use what I know, but use it illegally, and run the risks associated with that?
In return I would be able to quickly move past the software issues at hand and on to the business I'm running.
Or do I take to time to find alternatives and learn how to use them, along with my employees?
In return I save money (and/or reduce risk) but my time to run the business is reduced.For some the choice is clear.
For others the choice is clear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090344</id>
	<title>Had the same issue at a very large company.</title>
	<author>Archfeld</author>
	<datestamp>1258143180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I sent an email to the person who should have been in charge and was greeted in much the same way. We had placed a 'free' evaluation copy of winzip in our corporate image and built it out on literally thousands of machines. after being told to 'shut-up' I covered my a$$ with a dated email and then from the public library dropped the BSA and win-zip/niko-mak BOTH an email detailing the issue. The company settled with both for a LARGE payment and cleaned the desktop image of any 'grey-ware' that was free for NON-COMMERCIAL use. Unless you are in a position to be held responsible I'd recommend just doing NOTHING, safer career wise in the long run...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I sent an email to the person who should have been in charge and was greeted in much the same way .
We had placed a 'free ' evaluation copy of winzip in our corporate image and built it out on literally thousands of machines .
after being told to 'shut-up ' I covered my a $ $ with a dated email and then from the public library dropped the BSA and win-zip/niko-mak BOTH an email detailing the issue .
The company settled with both for a LARGE payment and cleaned the desktop image of any 'grey-ware ' that was free for NON-COMMERCIAL use .
Unless you are in a position to be held responsible I 'd recommend just doing NOTHING , safer career wise in the long run.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I sent an email to the person who should have been in charge and was greeted in much the same way.
We had placed a 'free' evaluation copy of winzip in our corporate image and built it out on literally thousands of machines.
after being told to 'shut-up' I covered my a$$ with a dated email and then from the public library dropped the BSA and win-zip/niko-mak BOTH an email detailing the issue.
The company settled with both for a LARGE payment and cleaned the desktop image of any 'grey-ware' that was free for NON-COMMERCIAL use.
Unless you are in a position to be held responsible I'd recommend just doing NOTHING, safer career wise in the long run...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091742</id>
	<title>Well, there was your first error:</title>
	<author>jeffasselin</author>
	<datestamp>1258106400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your first error was taking this job without making it clear you do not pirate software and will not install and support pirated software on company systems. I'm a consultant who makes this very clear when I come in to a new customer, and although I've lost a few potential customers, my serious customers have understood and respected this.</p><p>The first thing I do is explain that I will not report them to the BSA-mafia or anyone else. I will simply not install pirated software or support it if the fact that it's not legal will cause problems (for example, if I need to install updates or reinstall an application to solve an issue). Next, I explain to them the issues of what software piracy will do to their computer environment: how many cracks and other such workarounds tend to be unstable, or often trojaned, that they prevent updates and upgrades from working, and that I cannot have access to official support for such software. Finally I will suggest a progressive plan to buy legal licenses, to work with their budget to correct their situation progressively. I will often suggest alternative software (either cheaper versions or FOSS software), explaining the drawbacks and advantages of each solution. Working with schools specifically, I make sure they are aware of the educational pricing they can get on a lot of commercial software, and will point them to organizations that resell used computers to such institutions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your first error was taking this job without making it clear you do not pirate software and will not install and support pirated software on company systems .
I 'm a consultant who makes this very clear when I come in to a new customer , and although I 've lost a few potential customers , my serious customers have understood and respected this.The first thing I do is explain that I will not report them to the BSA-mafia or anyone else .
I will simply not install pirated software or support it if the fact that it 's not legal will cause problems ( for example , if I need to install updates or reinstall an application to solve an issue ) .
Next , I explain to them the issues of what software piracy will do to their computer environment : how many cracks and other such workarounds tend to be unstable , or often trojaned , that they prevent updates and upgrades from working , and that I can not have access to official support for such software .
Finally I will suggest a progressive plan to buy legal licenses , to work with their budget to correct their situation progressively .
I will often suggest alternative software ( either cheaper versions or FOSS software ) , explaining the drawbacks and advantages of each solution .
Working with schools specifically , I make sure they are aware of the educational pricing they can get on a lot of commercial software , and will point them to organizations that resell used computers to such institutions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your first error was taking this job without making it clear you do not pirate software and will not install and support pirated software on company systems.
I'm a consultant who makes this very clear when I come in to a new customer, and although I've lost a few potential customers, my serious customers have understood and respected this.The first thing I do is explain that I will not report them to the BSA-mafia or anyone else.
I will simply not install pirated software or support it if the fact that it's not legal will cause problems (for example, if I need to install updates or reinstall an application to solve an issue).
Next, I explain to them the issues of what software piracy will do to their computer environment: how many cracks and other such workarounds tend to be unstable, or often trojaned, that they prevent updates and upgrades from working, and that I cannot have access to official support for such software.
Finally I will suggest a progressive plan to buy legal licenses, to work with their budget to correct their situation progressively.
I will often suggest alternative software (either cheaper versions or FOSS software), explaining the drawbacks and advantages of each solution.
Working with schools specifically, I make sure they are aware of the educational pricing they can get on a lot of commercial software, and will point them to organizations that resell used computers to such institutions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089370</id>
	<title>Blackmail</title>
	<author>Inda</author>
	<datestamp>1258139580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ask for a brown paper bag full of cash in exchange for your silence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ask for a brown paper bag full of cash in exchange for your silence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ask for a brown paper bag full of cash in exchange for your silence.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089732</id>
	<title>A few questions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258140960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you install something that you know for sure does not have a legit license:<br>1. Are you committing a crime?   ( as in fines and jail time )<br>2. When you have discussed it with management and then do it, are you committing the crime of conspiracy?<br>3. Will management (or others in the know) attempt to blackmail you with this information?<br>4. If you stay there a while, and leave, and a few years later the company gets nailed for this, do you remove them from your resume?  If you do, what do you put there instead?</p><p>Of course, these all depend on where you are and other factors...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you install something that you know for sure does not have a legit license : 1 .
Are you committing a crime ?
( as in fines and jail time ) 2 .
When you have discussed it with management and then do it , are you committing the crime of conspiracy ? 3 .
Will management ( or others in the know ) attempt to blackmail you with this information ? 4 .
If you stay there a while , and leave , and a few years later the company gets nailed for this , do you remove them from your resume ?
If you do , what do you put there instead ? Of course , these all depend on where you are and other factors.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you install something that you know for sure does not have a legit license:1.
Are you committing a crime?
( as in fines and jail time )2.
When you have discussed it with management and then do it, are you committing the crime of conspiracy?3.
Will management (or others in the know) attempt to blackmail you with this information?4.
If you stay there a while, and leave, and a few years later the company gets nailed for this, do you remove them from your resume?
If you do, what do you put there instead?Of course, these all depend on where you are and other factors...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088686</id>
	<title>Standard Reply</title>
	<author>dcollins</author>
	<datestamp>1258137000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Document, CYA, think about finding a new job (under the principle that this is one symptom of management that is likely poor in lots of ways).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Document , CYA , think about finding a new job ( under the principle that this is one symptom of management that is likely poor in lots of ways ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Document, CYA, think about finding a new job (under the principle that this is one symptom of management that is likely poor in lots of ways).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089498</id>
	<title>Re:I'm getting an enourmous kick out of this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258140000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder where all the "Infinity Ward sucks for not providing dedicated servers for Modern Warfare 2" people are. More than half the copies of CoD 4 that use the servers are pirated, according to IW. So, Modern Warfare 2 comes along, and no servers - what a surprise! Yet people around here claim game piracy is not a problem, but somehow business software piracy is.</p><p>Software piracy sucks, no matter how you spin it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder where all the " Infinity Ward sucks for not providing dedicated servers for Modern Warfare 2 " people are .
More than half the copies of CoD 4 that use the servers are pirated , according to IW .
So , Modern Warfare 2 comes along , and no servers - what a surprise !
Yet people around here claim game piracy is not a problem , but somehow business software piracy is.Software piracy sucks , no matter how you spin it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder where all the "Infinity Ward sucks for not providing dedicated servers for Modern Warfare 2" people are.
More than half the copies of CoD 4 that use the servers are pirated, according to IW.
So, Modern Warfare 2 comes along, and no servers - what a surprise!
Yet people around here claim game piracy is not a problem, but somehow business software piracy is.Software piracy sucks, no matter how you spin it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088938</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090222</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258142820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft Security Essentials license state that the product is for home use only.  Microsoft's website points you to Forefront security for Business users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft Security Essentials license state that the product is for home use only .
Microsoft 's website points you to Forefront security for Business users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft Security Essentials license state that the product is for home use only.
Microsoft's website points you to Forefront security for Business users.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091236</id>
	<title>In Portugal...</title>
	<author>holiggan</author>
	<datestamp>1258103940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...in those cases, top management can be criminally responsible and spend jail time (up to 3 years) for pirated software. Don't laugh, I'm serious. The proverbial hammer doesn't just fall on the person responsible for IT, it falls straight into the manager/ceo/big fish of the company as well.</p><p>It was a really nice way to make the people with responsibility open the eyes for the problem, instead of just blaming the small guy.</p><p>If I ever need to draw attention to the problem of pirated software, and the "boss" just dismisses me, I can just whisper "3 years in jail for you if we are caught"... That should give full attention ehehehe</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...in those cases , top management can be criminally responsible and spend jail time ( up to 3 years ) for pirated software .
Do n't laugh , I 'm serious .
The proverbial hammer does n't just fall on the person responsible for IT , it falls straight into the manager/ceo/big fish of the company as well.It was a really nice way to make the people with responsibility open the eyes for the problem , instead of just blaming the small guy.If I ever need to draw attention to the problem of pirated software , and the " boss " just dismisses me , I can just whisper " 3 years in jail for you if we are caught " ... That should give full attention ehehehe</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...in those cases, top management can be criminally responsible and spend jail time (up to 3 years) for pirated software.
Don't laugh, I'm serious.
The proverbial hammer doesn't just fall on the person responsible for IT, it falls straight into the manager/ceo/big fish of the company as well.It was a really nice way to make the people with responsibility open the eyes for the problem, instead of just blaming the small guy.If I ever need to draw attention to the problem of pirated software, and the "boss" just dismisses me, I can just whisper "3 years in jail for you if we are caught"... That should give full attention ehehehe</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089166</id>
	<title>Re:Contact the BSA &amp; request an audit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Why not tip them off about competitors then?
</p><p>
They investigate... the competitor gets found with contraband software, you get a cut.
</p><p>
They investigate... they don't find anything.. "Oh, sorry, apparently what I overhead JohnDoeUnverifiableConversationalist saying was wrong."
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not tip them off about competitors then ?
They investigate... the competitor gets found with contraband software , you get a cut .
They investigate... they do n't find anything.. " Oh , sorry , apparently what I overhead JohnDoeUnverifiableConversationalist saying was wrong .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Why not tip them off about competitors then?
They investigate... the competitor gets found with contraband software, you get a cut.
They investigate... they don't find anything.. "Oh, sorry, apparently what I overhead JohnDoeUnverifiableConversationalist saying was wrong.
"
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088530</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30093400</id>
	<title>Unmentioned scenario here?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258116960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't particularly want to read through hundreds of comments on this subject, but there is another possibility in this case.</p><p>It's <i>possible</i> the boss isn't lying. As I understand it, the way many office applications are pirated in the first place is that they are sometimes from companies using blanket business licenses. This allows the same key to be used over and over in the wild without being as suspicious as a single user license being used repeatedly.</p><p>So it could be that someone in the organization in question was the culprit for the Google-able CD key and possibly even the copy of the software itself. Granted this is a scenario with a rather low probability as the easier explanation is more often than not correct. However, seeing as how many of the responses included accusations towards management/threats of going to the authorities/etc, I thought it might be prudent to point out this possibility to the query.</p><p>At any rate, it sounds like quite the dilemma.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't particularly want to read through hundreds of comments on this subject , but there is another possibility in this case.It 's possible the boss is n't lying .
As I understand it , the way many office applications are pirated in the first place is that they are sometimes from companies using blanket business licenses .
This allows the same key to be used over and over in the wild without being as suspicious as a single user license being used repeatedly.So it could be that someone in the organization in question was the culprit for the Google-able CD key and possibly even the copy of the software itself .
Granted this is a scenario with a rather low probability as the easier explanation is more often than not correct .
However , seeing as how many of the responses included accusations towards management/threats of going to the authorities/etc , I thought it might be prudent to point out this possibility to the query.At any rate , it sounds like quite the dilemma .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't particularly want to read through hundreds of comments on this subject, but there is another possibility in this case.It's possible the boss isn't lying.
As I understand it, the way many office applications are pirated in the first place is that they are sometimes from companies using blanket business licenses.
This allows the same key to be used over and over in the wild without being as suspicious as a single user license being used repeatedly.So it could be that someone in the organization in question was the culprit for the Google-able CD key and possibly even the copy of the software itself.
Granted this is a scenario with a rather low probability as the easier explanation is more often than not correct.
However, seeing as how many of the responses included accusations towards management/threats of going to the authorities/etc, I thought it might be prudent to point out this possibility to the query.At any rate, it sounds like quite the dilemma.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30094498</id>
	<title>Re:Well...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258126800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Send the email, but don't expect a response, in writing anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Send the email , but do n't expect a response , in writing anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Send the email, but don't expect a response, in writing anyway.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088574</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091140</id>
	<title>You get rich ...</title>
	<author>flibbidyfloo</author>
	<datestamp>1258103520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Report them to the BSA at <a href="https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspx" title="bsa.org" rel="nofollow">https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspx</a> [bsa.org] and make a boatload of reward money. Then start looking for another job as you wait a couple years for your check while they sort it all out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Report them to the BSA at https : //reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspx [ bsa.org ] and make a boatload of reward money .
Then start looking for another job as you wait a couple years for your check while they sort it all out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Report them to the BSA at https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspx [bsa.org] and make a boatload of reward money.
Then start looking for another job as you wait a couple years for your check while they sort it all out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089742</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258140960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instead of PDFCreator, install CC PDF Converter ( <a href="http://www.cogniview.com/cc-pdf-converter.php" title="cogniview.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cogniview.com/cc-pdf-converter.php</a> [cogniview.com] ), and get people used to creating PDFs with an embedded creative-commons license of their choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of PDFCreator , install CC PDF Converter ( http : //www.cogniview.com/cc-pdf-converter.php [ cogniview.com ] ) , and get people used to creating PDFs with an embedded creative-commons license of their choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of PDFCreator, install CC PDF Converter ( http://www.cogniview.com/cc-pdf-converter.php [cogniview.com] ), and get people used to creating PDFs with an embedded creative-commons license of their choice.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30094414</id>
	<title>Re:Different Approach</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1258125540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, you don't have any problem with lying?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>7-zip is a free alternative that actually works better, and will save the company $30,000 the new time those licenses need to be renewed.</p> </div><p>But they never bought licenses in the first place, so how are they saving $30,000?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>OpenOffice comes with free PDF export functionality, which saves the $500 Acrobat license.</p></div><p>Except that you don't need OpenOffice to get free PDF export functionality. There are plenty of tools that allow PDF export from MS Office for free.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , you do n't have any problem with lying ? 7-zip is a free alternative that actually works better , and will save the company $ 30,000 the new time those licenses need to be renewed .
But they never bought licenses in the first place , so how are they saving $ 30,000 ? OpenOffice comes with free PDF export functionality , which saves the $ 500 Acrobat license.Except that you do n't need OpenOffice to get free PDF export functionality .
There are plenty of tools that allow PDF export from MS Office for free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, you don't have any problem with lying?7-zip is a free alternative that actually works better, and will save the company $30,000 the new time those licenses need to be renewed.
But they never bought licenses in the first place, so how are they saving $30,000?OpenOffice comes with free PDF export functionality, which saves the $500 Acrobat license.Except that you don't need OpenOffice to get free PDF export functionality.
There are plenty of tools that allow PDF export from MS Office for free.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088598</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088626</id>
	<title>Could OP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258136820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quit the company. Get an attorney. Claim there is a hostile environment because you know they are breaking laws and you are asked to break the laws too, and then report the company to BSA and sue them? (for the hostile work environment)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quit the company .
Get an attorney .
Claim there is a hostile environment because you know they are breaking laws and you are asked to break the laws too , and then report the company to BSA and sue them ?
( for the hostile work environment )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quit the company.
Get an attorney.
Claim there is a hostile environment because you know they are breaking laws and you are asked to break the laws too, and then report the company to BSA and sue them?
(for the hostile work environment)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089574</id>
	<title>"Get another job"?</title>
	<author>DJ Particle</author>
	<datestamp>1258140300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Where?<br> <br>

The cold hard fact is that right now in most first-world countries, companies are getting rid of IT staff and farming them out to SE Asia.<br> <br>

The few IT professionals left in FWCs really can't leave, because they are considered expendable.  Companies know that because of this, they have the IT pros right where they want them.  "Do as we say or you will never work again!"  And it's more real than most people think.  Former IT pros can't get service jobs unless they lie on their apps (to say they have less education than they actually have).  Take it from one who's tried.  The service jobs don't want educated people because (a) they are more likely to question their work when things get unethical and (b) the company feels they can't count on a long-term commitment from an employee who would at a moment's notice bolt for a better job if anything comes down the pike.  A manager from Speedway SuperAmerica actually told me this back in 2005.<br> <br>

It used to mean a college education meant a better chance at a real job.  Now, unless your education is in one of the few remaining non-farmable jobs (like health care), it means a one-way ticket to the unemployment line for the rest of your life.<br> <br>

The person stuck in this situation is quite literally in a 'damned either way' situation.  He will lose his job, either by whistleblowing as revenge, or by being thrown under the bus when the company gets found out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where ?
The cold hard fact is that right now in most first-world countries , companies are getting rid of IT staff and farming them out to SE Asia .
The few IT professionals left in FWCs really ca n't leave , because they are considered expendable .
Companies know that because of this , they have the IT pros right where they want them .
" Do as we say or you will never work again !
" And it 's more real than most people think .
Former IT pros ca n't get service jobs unless they lie on their apps ( to say they have less education than they actually have ) .
Take it from one who 's tried .
The service jobs do n't want educated people because ( a ) they are more likely to question their work when things get unethical and ( b ) the company feels they ca n't count on a long-term commitment from an employee who would at a moment 's notice bolt for a better job if anything comes down the pike .
A manager from Speedway SuperAmerica actually told me this back in 2005 .
It used to mean a college education meant a better chance at a real job .
Now , unless your education is in one of the few remaining non-farmable jobs ( like health care ) , it means a one-way ticket to the unemployment line for the rest of your life .
The person stuck in this situation is quite literally in a 'damned either way ' situation .
He will lose his job , either by whistleblowing as revenge , or by being thrown under the bus when the company gets found out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where?
The cold hard fact is that right now in most first-world countries, companies are getting rid of IT staff and farming them out to SE Asia.
The few IT professionals left in FWCs really can't leave, because they are considered expendable.
Companies know that because of this, they have the IT pros right where they want them.
"Do as we say or you will never work again!
"  And it's more real than most people think.
Former IT pros can't get service jobs unless they lie on their apps (to say they have less education than they actually have).
Take it from one who's tried.
The service jobs don't want educated people because (a) they are more likely to question their work when things get unethical and (b) the company feels they can't count on a long-term commitment from an employee who would at a moment's notice bolt for a better job if anything comes down the pike.
A manager from Speedway SuperAmerica actually told me this back in 2005.
It used to mean a college education meant a better chance at a real job.
Now, unless your education is in one of the few remaining non-farmable jobs (like health care), it means a one-way ticket to the unemployment line for the rest of your life.
The person stuck in this situation is quite literally in a 'damned either way' situation.
He will lose his job, either by whistleblowing as revenge, or by being thrown under the bus when the company gets found out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091300</id>
	<title>Document, and suggest options</title>
	<author>Jim Hall</author>
	<datestamp>1258104240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"What does one do when a good portion of the application software at your workplace is pirated? Bringing this up did not endear me at all to the president of the company. I was given a flat "We don't pirate software," and "We must have paid for it at some point." Given that [examples...] What do you when management ignores this?"</p></div><p>Others have already suggested it, but I'll say it again: document the instances. But <b>suggest alternatives.</b> I don't know what you said to the president, or how you said it, but the president is going to want to hear suggestions - not just "complaining" that the company uses pirated software. Remember that your president is focused on the company's bottom line, and if he/she feels that they can scrape by while using pirated software, they will turn a blind eye to piracy. You need to frame this as way to save money, not just spending money. Avoid mentioning the BSA - that will look like a "threat".</p><p>You didn't say what your role was at the company. Are you a sysadmin, LAN/desktop admin, or CIO? Your level really identifies the scope of your actions, but doesn't change what you should do.</p><p>(Note: if you are none of these things, i.e. your job doesn't involve responsibility for software, the president probably doesn't want to hear this from you. Go talk to one of the admins or the CIO instead of the president, let them take it from there.)</p><p>Inventory the software in use on all the systems<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... how many installs of Windows, how many copies of MS Office, Acrobat, Photoshop, etc. Put this in a spreadsheet, date it, print it out, stick it in a file.</p><p>Next, inventory your licenses. Focus on the software licenses you know you paid for. If you think something is pirated, the best you should do is put "??" or "cannot locate" in the "license code" field. Put all this in the same spreadsheet, so you can match up how many valid licenses you have of MS Office, etc. compared to how many are deployed. Date it, print it, put it in your file.</p><p>Sounds like you've already done this, or at least are on the path. So let's focus on the next steps<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Are there any $0 alternatives to the software that you think is being used without a valid license? Start looking into these options. Others here have suggested some $0 alternatives for you to use. Just be sure to check the license - sometimes, software may be "free for personal or educational use", which means business need to pay for it. Avoid being too dramatic - while I'm a Linux advocate, this is not the time to suggest moving the company from Windows desktops to Linux. Instead, find free Windows programs to replace the shareware/commercial Windows programs. OpenOffice instead of MS Office, 7Zip instead of WinZip, etc. You may need to write up a separate analysis that compares the features of the commercial software with the free software. Make it short, but identify each software completely. (If you use screenshots, <em>no more than 1 screenshot per program.</em>) Use tables rather than lots of text to talk about it. For example: a list of features <b>that your users actually use/want</b> and a check mark to indicate if this feature is present in the (pirated) software you have vs the free software options.</p><p>Create a new document, where you can summarize the inventory of software in use, and the inventory of your licenses. Just state the facts plainly, simply. Don't put in any personal statements, let the numbers speak for themselves. Make sure to call out where the company is using software where you don't have enough licenses. Include an estimated cost to "true up" on the licenses. Identify in your document the $0 alternatives you have discovered. The important step will be to <b>highlight these as savings to the company</b>. Identifying as "savings" will make it more actionable. Ideally, you'll put these in a column next to the "true up" cost, so it's obvious.</p><p>Again, date it, print it, put it in your file. Also, <b>share this document with the CIO</b> (if that's not you) <b>or with the president</b> (if you don't have someone between you and the president).</p><p>You are now covered. But more importantly, you've tried to find ways for the president to fill in the gaps. Probably your best way to go, and I've seen it work before.</p></div>
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<tokenext>" What does one do when a good portion of the application software at your workplace is pirated ?
Bringing this up did not endear me at all to the president of the company .
I was given a flat " We do n't pirate software , " and " We must have paid for it at some point .
" Given that [ examples... ] What do you when management ignores this ?
" Others have already suggested it , but I 'll say it again : document the instances .
But suggest alternatives .
I do n't know what you said to the president , or how you said it , but the president is going to want to hear suggestions - not just " complaining " that the company uses pirated software .
Remember that your president is focused on the company 's bottom line , and if he/she feels that they can scrape by while using pirated software , they will turn a blind eye to piracy .
You need to frame this as way to save money , not just spending money .
Avoid mentioning the BSA - that will look like a " threat " .You did n't say what your role was at the company .
Are you a sysadmin , LAN/desktop admin , or CIO ?
Your level really identifies the scope of your actions , but does n't change what you should do .
( Note : if you are none of these things , i.e .
your job does n't involve responsibility for software , the president probably does n't want to hear this from you .
Go talk to one of the admins or the CIO instead of the president , let them take it from there .
) Inventory the software in use on all the systems ... how many installs of Windows , how many copies of MS Office , Acrobat , Photoshop , etc .
Put this in a spreadsheet , date it , print it out , stick it in a file.Next , inventory your licenses .
Focus on the software licenses you know you paid for .
If you think something is pirated , the best you should do is put " ? ?
" or " can not locate " in the " license code " field .
Put all this in the same spreadsheet , so you can match up how many valid licenses you have of MS Office , etc .
compared to how many are deployed .
Date it , print it , put it in your file.Sounds like you 've already done this , or at least are on the path .
So let 's focus on the next steps ...Are there any $ 0 alternatives to the software that you think is being used without a valid license ?
Start looking into these options .
Others here have suggested some $ 0 alternatives for you to use .
Just be sure to check the license - sometimes , software may be " free for personal or educational use " , which means business need to pay for it .
Avoid being too dramatic - while I 'm a Linux advocate , this is not the time to suggest moving the company from Windows desktops to Linux .
Instead , find free Windows programs to replace the shareware/commercial Windows programs .
OpenOffice instead of MS Office , 7Zip instead of WinZip , etc .
You may need to write up a separate analysis that compares the features of the commercial software with the free software .
Make it short , but identify each software completely .
( If you use screenshots , no more than 1 screenshot per program .
) Use tables rather than lots of text to talk about it .
For example : a list of features that your users actually use/want and a check mark to indicate if this feature is present in the ( pirated ) software you have vs the free software options.Create a new document , where you can summarize the inventory of software in use , and the inventory of your licenses .
Just state the facts plainly , simply .
Do n't put in any personal statements , let the numbers speak for themselves .
Make sure to call out where the company is using software where you do n't have enough licenses .
Include an estimated cost to " true up " on the licenses .
Identify in your document the $ 0 alternatives you have discovered .
The important step will be to highlight these as savings to the company .
Identifying as " savings " will make it more actionable .
Ideally , you 'll put these in a column next to the " true up " cost , so it 's obvious.Again , date it , print it , put it in your file .
Also , share this document with the CIO ( if that 's not you ) or with the president ( if you do n't have someone between you and the president ) .You are now covered .
But more importantly , you 've tried to find ways for the president to fill in the gaps .
Probably your best way to go , and I 've seen it work before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"What does one do when a good portion of the application software at your workplace is pirated?
Bringing this up did not endear me at all to the president of the company.
I was given a flat "We don't pirate software," and "We must have paid for it at some point.
" Given that [examples...] What do you when management ignores this?
"Others have already suggested it, but I'll say it again: document the instances.
But suggest alternatives.
I don't know what you said to the president, or how you said it, but the president is going to want to hear suggestions - not just "complaining" that the company uses pirated software.
Remember that your president is focused on the company's bottom line, and if he/she feels that they can scrape by while using pirated software, they will turn a blind eye to piracy.
You need to frame this as way to save money, not just spending money.
Avoid mentioning the BSA - that will look like a "threat".You didn't say what your role was at the company.
Are you a sysadmin, LAN/desktop admin, or CIO?
Your level really identifies the scope of your actions, but doesn't change what you should do.
(Note: if you are none of these things, i.e.
your job doesn't involve responsibility for software, the president probably doesn't want to hear this from you.
Go talk to one of the admins or the CIO instead of the president, let them take it from there.
)Inventory the software in use on all the systems ... how many installs of Windows, how many copies of MS Office, Acrobat, Photoshop, etc.
Put this in a spreadsheet, date it, print it out, stick it in a file.Next, inventory your licenses.
Focus on the software licenses you know you paid for.
If you think something is pirated, the best you should do is put "??
" or "cannot locate" in the "license code" field.
Put all this in the same spreadsheet, so you can match up how many valid licenses you have of MS Office, etc.
compared to how many are deployed.
Date it, print it, put it in your file.Sounds like you've already done this, or at least are on the path.
So let's focus on the next steps ...Are there any $0 alternatives to the software that you think is being used without a valid license?
Start looking into these options.
Others here have suggested some $0 alternatives for you to use.
Just be sure to check the license - sometimes, software may be "free for personal or educational use", which means business need to pay for it.
Avoid being too dramatic - while I'm a Linux advocate, this is not the time to suggest moving the company from Windows desktops to Linux.
Instead, find free Windows programs to replace the shareware/commercial Windows programs.
OpenOffice instead of MS Office, 7Zip instead of WinZip, etc.
You may need to write up a separate analysis that compares the features of the commercial software with the free software.
Make it short, but identify each software completely.
(If you use screenshots, no more than 1 screenshot per program.
) Use tables rather than lots of text to talk about it.
For example: a list of features that your users actually use/want and a check mark to indicate if this feature is present in the (pirated) software you have vs the free software options.Create a new document, where you can summarize the inventory of software in use, and the inventory of your licenses.
Just state the facts plainly, simply.
Don't put in any personal statements, let the numbers speak for themselves.
Make sure to call out where the company is using software where you don't have enough licenses.
Include an estimated cost to "true up" on the licenses.
Identify in your document the $0 alternatives you have discovered.
The important step will be to highlight these as savings to the company.
Identifying as "savings" will make it more actionable.
Ideally, you'll put these in a column next to the "true up" cost, so it's obvious.Again, date it, print it, put it in your file.
Also, share this document with the CIO (if that's not you) or with the president (if you don't have someone between you and the president).You are now covered.
But more importantly, you've tried to find ways for the president to fill in the gaps.
Probably your best way to go, and I've seen it work before.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089322</id>
	<title>It's only piracy when someone else does it!</title>
	<author>xmt27</author>
	<datestamp>1258139460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A trip down memory lane:</p><p>"Selling games is strictly self-serving also. Apparently, you think its fantastic for companies to be driven by greed, but the customers should be selfless? Same old shit as the banks - capitalise the profit, socialise the loss."<br>(damburger 24 Oct Score: 5)</p><p>"In what you gave as an analogy, the hypothetical person STOLE food from the restaurant- the restaurant is out the food and drink the person took by not paying. In the case of infringement, someone merely takes a copy thereof- and nobody's out anything save maybe a cash transaction that might or might not have happened. They're not out their original copy, so it's not theft."<br>(Svartalk 24 Oct Score: 5)</p><p>"If I copy something that an artist produced, it doesn't cost that artist either time or effort. The time and effort has already been spent, they have no way of getting it back.<br>The only possibility is that they might get payment in compensation for it. As long as anything I do does not affect their chance of getting this compensation, I see no possible way in which it can be immoral. Therefore, as long as I can be sure that I am not going to pay for a copy, I see no way that making my own copy is immoral."<br>(julesh 24 Oct Score: 4)</p><p>"Yeah just like getting bit by an ant 'hurts' me, but not really. It's just an ant. Nothing to have a hissy-fit over like IRAA and the BSA seem to be having.<br>BSA: 'Oh noes! We've been bit an ant. The end is nigh'<br>US: 'Stop being a wuss.'"<br>(commodore64\_love 12 Oct Score: 4)</p><p>I think what's going on here is most people see business purchases of commercial software as a way to justify their own piracy, like this person:</p><p>"Through college I had the full version of Matlab/Simulink. I used toolboxes that the school didn't have when doing class projects. I learned everything I could about it and the toolboxes available.<br>Now, 6 years later, I was able to talk my boss into buying a few extra special toolboxes for the work we do. Something close to $30k a seat a year. Had I never 'pirated' all that software I would have never been able to sell my self to my company, nor sell my company on Matlab toolboxes."<br>(0100010001010011 12 Oct Score: 4)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A trip down memory lane : " Selling games is strictly self-serving also .
Apparently , you think its fantastic for companies to be driven by greed , but the customers should be selfless ?
Same old shit as the banks - capitalise the profit , socialise the loss .
" ( damburger 24 Oct Score : 5 ) " In what you gave as an analogy , the hypothetical person STOLE food from the restaurant- the restaurant is out the food and drink the person took by not paying .
In the case of infringement , someone merely takes a copy thereof- and nobody 's out anything save maybe a cash transaction that might or might not have happened .
They 're not out their original copy , so it 's not theft .
" ( Svartalk 24 Oct Score : 5 ) " If I copy something that an artist produced , it does n't cost that artist either time or effort .
The time and effort has already been spent , they have no way of getting it back.The only possibility is that they might get payment in compensation for it .
As long as anything I do does not affect their chance of getting this compensation , I see no possible way in which it can be immoral .
Therefore , as long as I can be sure that I am not going to pay for a copy , I see no way that making my own copy is immoral .
" ( julesh 24 Oct Score : 4 ) " Yeah just like getting bit by an ant 'hurts ' me , but not really .
It 's just an ant .
Nothing to have a hissy-fit over like IRAA and the BSA seem to be having.BSA : 'Oh noes !
We 've been bit an ant .
The end is nigh'US : 'Stop being a wuss .
' " ( commodore64 \ _love 12 Oct Score : 4 ) I think what 's going on here is most people see business purchases of commercial software as a way to justify their own piracy , like this person : " Through college I had the full version of Matlab/Simulink .
I used toolboxes that the school did n't have when doing class projects .
I learned everything I could about it and the toolboxes available.Now , 6 years later , I was able to talk my boss into buying a few extra special toolboxes for the work we do .
Something close to $ 30k a seat a year .
Had I never 'pirated ' all that software I would have never been able to sell my self to my company , nor sell my company on Matlab toolboxes .
" ( 0100010001010011 12 Oct Score : 4 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A trip down memory lane:"Selling games is strictly self-serving also.
Apparently, you think its fantastic for companies to be driven by greed, but the customers should be selfless?
Same old shit as the banks - capitalise the profit, socialise the loss.
"(damburger 24 Oct Score: 5)"In what you gave as an analogy, the hypothetical person STOLE food from the restaurant- the restaurant is out the food and drink the person took by not paying.
In the case of infringement, someone merely takes a copy thereof- and nobody's out anything save maybe a cash transaction that might or might not have happened.
They're not out their original copy, so it's not theft.
"(Svartalk 24 Oct Score: 5)"If I copy something that an artist produced, it doesn't cost that artist either time or effort.
The time and effort has already been spent, they have no way of getting it back.The only possibility is that they might get payment in compensation for it.
As long as anything I do does not affect their chance of getting this compensation, I see no possible way in which it can be immoral.
Therefore, as long as I can be sure that I am not going to pay for a copy, I see no way that making my own copy is immoral.
"(julesh 24 Oct Score: 4)"Yeah just like getting bit by an ant 'hurts' me, but not really.
It's just an ant.
Nothing to have a hissy-fit over like IRAA and the BSA seem to be having.BSA: 'Oh noes!
We've been bit an ant.
The end is nigh'US: 'Stop being a wuss.
'"(commodore64\_love 12 Oct Score: 4)I think what's going on here is most people see business purchases of commercial software as a way to justify their own piracy, like this person:"Through college I had the full version of Matlab/Simulink.
I used toolboxes that the school didn't have when doing class projects.
I learned everything I could about it and the toolboxes available.Now, 6 years later, I was able to talk my boss into buying a few extra special toolboxes for the work we do.
Something close to $30k a seat a year.
Had I never 'pirated' all that software I would have never been able to sell my self to my company, nor sell my company on Matlab toolboxes.
"(0100010001010011 12 Oct Score: 4)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089072</id>
	<title>WinZip?  Really???</title>
	<author>hyades1</author>
	<datestamp>1258138500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> If you're so concerned about CYA, why don't you install any of the freeware alternatives to WinZip that blow the freakin' doors off it?  It would take you all of ten seconds at a site like SnapFiles or MajorGeeks to track one down.  Same with any other shareware that concerns you. </p><p> You could also suggest freeware alternatives for the pirated stuff, along with the advantages of being able to update the stuff. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're so concerned about CYA , why do n't you install any of the freeware alternatives to WinZip that blow the freakin ' doors off it ?
It would take you all of ten seconds at a site like SnapFiles or MajorGeeks to track one down .
Same with any other shareware that concerns you .
You could also suggest freeware alternatives for the pirated stuff , along with the advantages of being able to update the stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If you're so concerned about CYA, why don't you install any of the freeware alternatives to WinZip that blow the freakin' doors off it?
It would take you all of ten seconds at a site like SnapFiles or MajorGeeks to track one down.
Same with any other shareware that concerns you.
You could also suggest freeware alternatives for the pirated stuff, along with the advantages of being able to update the stuff. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090188</id>
	<title>Document!  If no change, you must leave.</title>
	<author>darth\_borehd</author>
	<datestamp>1258142640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Send emails with read receipts and save offline copies of all replies.  Make it clear that the business in jeopardy because of pirated software.  Explain how one employee can call in a claim and the business could be raided by the BSA backed up by police.  Express genuine concern about the importance of this.  Explain there are open source alternative that cost nothing.

If the owner actually says *in writing* that he still doesn't care about purchasing licenses or switching to FOSS, then tell him you cannot continue working under these conditions.  You have to do it.  If not, as the IT person, you may become liable.

Stress the fact that you are being asked to do something ILLEGAL and cannot continue.  If he doesn't connect the dots and lets you leave, immediately go to the BSA with your documentation and do exactly what you said "one employee can do."

I'm no friend to software companies, EULA, or the BSA--but its the way it is with our current laws and you have protect yourself.  Remember, the whistleblower law will protect you as you long as you go the proper authorities first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Send emails with read receipts and save offline copies of all replies .
Make it clear that the business in jeopardy because of pirated software .
Explain how one employee can call in a claim and the business could be raided by the BSA backed up by police .
Express genuine concern about the importance of this .
Explain there are open source alternative that cost nothing .
If the owner actually says * in writing * that he still does n't care about purchasing licenses or switching to FOSS , then tell him you can not continue working under these conditions .
You have to do it .
If not , as the IT person , you may become liable .
Stress the fact that you are being asked to do something ILLEGAL and can not continue .
If he does n't connect the dots and lets you leave , immediately go to the BSA with your documentation and do exactly what you said " one employee can do .
" I 'm no friend to software companies , EULA , or the BSA--but its the way it is with our current laws and you have protect yourself .
Remember , the whistleblower law will protect you as you long as you go the proper authorities first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Send emails with read receipts and save offline copies of all replies.
Make it clear that the business in jeopardy because of pirated software.
Explain how one employee can call in a claim and the business could be raided by the BSA backed up by police.
Express genuine concern about the importance of this.
Explain there are open source alternative that cost nothing.
If the owner actually says *in writing* that he still doesn't care about purchasing licenses or switching to FOSS, then tell him you cannot continue working under these conditions.
You have to do it.
If not, as the IT person, you may become liable.
Stress the fact that you are being asked to do something ILLEGAL and cannot continue.
If he doesn't connect the dots and lets you leave, immediately go to the BSA with your documentation and do exactly what you said "one employee can do.
"

I'm no friend to software companies, EULA, or the BSA--but its the way it is with our current laws and you have protect yourself.
Remember, the whistleblower law will protect you as you long as you go the proper authorities first.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088990</id>
	<title>BSA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can always report them to the Business Software Alliance (At your own risk)...however I think the biggest problem with your winzip situation is that you are using nagware for a feature that is now a built in feature in windows.  Your best bet is to make some sort of written statement to your supervisor, documenting the problem so that you can't be the proverbial sacrificial lamb.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can always report them to the Business Software Alliance ( At your own risk ) ...however I think the biggest problem with your winzip situation is that you are using nagware for a feature that is now a built in feature in windows .
Your best bet is to make some sort of written statement to your supervisor , documenting the problem so that you ca n't be the proverbial sacrificial lamb .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can always report them to the Business Software Alliance (At your own risk)...however I think the biggest problem with your winzip situation is that you are using nagware for a feature that is now a built in feature in windows.
Your best bet is to make some sort of written statement to your supervisor, documenting the problem so that you can't be the proverbial sacrificial lamb.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088854</id>
	<title>Re:Common cause of termination in bad startups</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1258137720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Unfortunately, the management at many are too stupid</p></div><p>No wonder the tech startups in your town are underfunded.  Maybe they "stupid management" companies <i>should</i> go out of business and make room for "smart management" companies/opportunities/whatever..</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , the management at many are too stupidNo wonder the tech startups in your town are underfunded .
Maybe they " stupid management " companies should go out of business and make room for " smart management " companies/opportunities/whatever. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, the management at many are too stupidNo wonder the tech startups in your town are underfunded.
Maybe they "stupid management" companies should go out of business and make room for "smart management" companies/opportunities/whatever..
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091808</id>
	<title>Re:Why are you using Winzip?</title>
	<author>gregthebunny</author>
	<datestamp>1258106760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Regarding 7zip...</p><ul> <li> The interface sucks. Looks like my five-year-old cousin designed with his crayons. In fact, I'm pretty sure he would have done a better job.</li>

<li> 99\% of the world uses WinZip-compatible "standard"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.zip formats, not<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.7z. 7zip is its own format that WinZip does not support (neither any other "zip" program, for that matter).</li>

<li> Claiming FOSS doesn't immediately make something a better product. A lot of FOSS products are immature and/or underdeveloped.</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>Regarding 7zip... The interface sucks .
Looks like my five-year-old cousin designed with his crayons .
In fact , I 'm pretty sure he would have done a better job .
99 \ % of the world uses WinZip-compatible " standard " .zip formats , not .7z .
7zip is its own format that WinZip does not support ( neither any other " zip " program , for that matter ) .
Claiming FOSS does n't immediately make something a better product .
A lot of FOSS products are immature and/or underdeveloped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Regarding 7zip...  The interface sucks.
Looks like my five-year-old cousin designed with his crayons.
In fact, I'm pretty sure he would have done a better job.
99\% of the world uses WinZip-compatible "standard" .zip formats, not .7z.
7zip is its own format that WinZip does not support (neither any other "zip" program, for that matter).
Claiming FOSS doesn't immediately make something a better product.
A lot of FOSS products are immature and/or underdeveloped.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30092486</id>
	<title>Been there, done that</title>
	<author>FrozenGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1258110480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I ran into pretty much that same situation a few years ago.  I had a long conversation with a friend of mine (retired CEO of a large multinational).  He recommended that I bring the issue to the attention of the company president and, if things were not made legal, quit immediately.  I followed his advice.  It sucked to be me.  OTOH, I was legally clear and slept well at night.<br> <br>If you continue working there, knowing that piracy is occurring, you stand in the cross-hairs if one of the software vendors gets uppity.  Even worse, you might wind up being your employer's scape goat.<br> <br>Get out of Dodge.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ran into pretty much that same situation a few years ago .
I had a long conversation with a friend of mine ( retired CEO of a large multinational ) .
He recommended that I bring the issue to the attention of the company president and , if things were not made legal , quit immediately .
I followed his advice .
It sucked to be me .
OTOH , I was legally clear and slept well at night .
If you continue working there , knowing that piracy is occurring , you stand in the cross-hairs if one of the software vendors gets uppity .
Even worse , you might wind up being your employer 's scape goat .
Get out of Dodge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ran into pretty much that same situation a few years ago.
I had a long conversation with a friend of mine (retired CEO of a large multinational).
He recommended that I bring the issue to the attention of the company president and, if things were not made legal, quit immediately.
I followed his advice.
It sucked to be me.
OTOH, I was legally clear and slept well at night.
If you continue working there, knowing that piracy is occurring, you stand in the cross-hairs if one of the software vendors gets uppity.
Even worse, you might wind up being your employer's scape goat.
Get out of Dodge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089346</id>
	<title>Re:It's funny, isn't it...</title>
	<author>archont</author>
	<datestamp>1258139520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh I know it's perfectly wrong, but I don't really care anymore.

My monthly income is 490. U.S. dollars. The adobe web premium software package that allows me to earn that is 1700 USD. Although admittably I signed up for a free flex, a kind gesture on adobe's part.

While I would gladly pay for that software, liver and onions aren't going to walk on my table by itself, y'know.

Oh yeah, and I'm not really a US developer. I just put that to dollars so that you don't have to.

Frankly you can sue me. It's not like you're going to get much more than dirty clothes and a PC that looks like a prop for the upcoming mad max.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh I know it 's perfectly wrong , but I do n't really care anymore .
My monthly income is 490 .
U.S. dollars .
The adobe web premium software package that allows me to earn that is 1700 USD .
Although admittably I signed up for a free flex , a kind gesture on adobe 's part .
While I would gladly pay for that software , liver and onions are n't going to walk on my table by itself , y'know .
Oh yeah , and I 'm not really a US developer .
I just put that to dollars so that you do n't have to .
Frankly you can sue me .
It 's not like you 're going to get much more than dirty clothes and a PC that looks like a prop for the upcoming mad max .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh I know it's perfectly wrong, but I don't really care anymore.
My monthly income is 490.
U.S. dollars.
The adobe web premium software package that allows me to earn that is 1700 USD.
Although admittably I signed up for a free flex, a kind gesture on adobe's part.
While I would gladly pay for that software, liver and onions aren't going to walk on my table by itself, y'know.
Oh yeah, and I'm not really a US developer.
I just put that to dollars so that you don't have to.
Frankly you can sue me.
It's not like you're going to get much more than dirty clothes and a PC that looks like a prop for the upcoming mad max.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091310</id>
	<title>Re:Welcome to the real world</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258104240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>go away<br>you fucking shade of Gray ethical thinker<br>that destroy me nice black and white world</p><p>ps this was the most Insightful post I have read on slashdot....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>go awayyou fucking shade of Gray ethical thinkerthat destroy me nice black and white worldps this was the most Insightful post I have read on slashdot... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>go awayyou fucking shade of Gray ethical thinkerthat destroy me nice black and white worldps this was the most Insightful post I have read on slashdot....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089958</id>
	<title>Re:Common cause of termination in bad startups</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1258141800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The 95\% of the technology startups in our town are laughingly underfunded (e.g. reverse mortgage on CEO's house and small contribution from Aunt Tilly's bakery), so they have no money for legit licenses.</p></div><p>In many cases, a true startup can actually get licenses for much less than usual even for non-free software. E.g. Microsoft has BizSpark for developer shops with annual revenue less than $1M, where you get a full set of development tools (highest tier; i.e. VS Team Suite, not Pro or Standard, with TFS etc) and server software to run your code if it requires any such (Windows Server/IIS, MSSQL, SharePoint etc - again, highest tier) with no upfront payment, and with a $100 liability if you exit the program - either of your own accord, or in 3 years after you've started. Once your revenue exceeds $1M annually, then you have to pay the full price to continue using the licenses (or, again, pay $100 to simply drop out).</p><p>I'm not familiar with similar programs of other companies, but I'm sure it's not an isolated case. It sounds like a pretty decent business model to me - give expensive tools to people for free, and only ask for payment if/when they start earning enough money to easily pay you the full cost. It's much better than same people just picking free offerings over yours in the first place to avoid the costs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The 95 \ % of the technology startups in our town are laughingly underfunded ( e.g .
reverse mortgage on CEO 's house and small contribution from Aunt Tilly 's bakery ) , so they have no money for legit licenses.In many cases , a true startup can actually get licenses for much less than usual even for non-free software .
E.g. Microsoft has BizSpark for developer shops with annual revenue less than $ 1M , where you get a full set of development tools ( highest tier ; i.e .
VS Team Suite , not Pro or Standard , with TFS etc ) and server software to run your code if it requires any such ( Windows Server/IIS , MSSQL , SharePoint etc - again , highest tier ) with no upfront payment , and with a $ 100 liability if you exit the program - either of your own accord , or in 3 years after you 've started .
Once your revenue exceeds $ 1M annually , then you have to pay the full price to continue using the licenses ( or , again , pay $ 100 to simply drop out ) .I 'm not familiar with similar programs of other companies , but I 'm sure it 's not an isolated case .
It sounds like a pretty decent business model to me - give expensive tools to people for free , and only ask for payment if/when they start earning enough money to easily pay you the full cost .
It 's much better than same people just picking free offerings over yours in the first place to avoid the costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 95\% of the technology startups in our town are laughingly underfunded (e.g.
reverse mortgage on CEO's house and small contribution from Aunt Tilly's bakery), so they have no money for legit licenses.In many cases, a true startup can actually get licenses for much less than usual even for non-free software.
E.g. Microsoft has BizSpark for developer shops with annual revenue less than $1M, where you get a full set of development tools (highest tier; i.e.
VS Team Suite, not Pro or Standard, with TFS etc) and server software to run your code if it requires any such (Windows Server/IIS, MSSQL, SharePoint etc - again, highest tier) with no upfront payment, and with a $100 liability if you exit the program - either of your own accord, or in 3 years after you've started.
Once your revenue exceeds $1M annually, then you have to pay the full price to continue using the licenses (or, again, pay $100 to simply drop out).I'm not familiar with similar programs of other companies, but I'm sure it's not an isolated case.
It sounds like a pretty decent business model to me - give expensive tools to people for free, and only ask for payment if/when they start earning enough money to easily pay you the full cost.
It's much better than same people just picking free offerings over yours in the first place to avoid the costs.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088558</id>
	<title>It's funny, isn't it...</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1258136580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>For most purposes, reasonably people look at the available data first and then infer a conclusion. When it comes to "moral" matters, though, you get a certain subset of people who work in the opposite direction.<br> <br>

Instead of saying "Well, I do seem to be surrounded by CD-R copies of commercial software activated with leaked VLKs, I must be a dirty pirate." they say "I'm obviously a good person, and good people don't do bad things, therefore the things that I have done could not possibly be bad."<br> <br>

This would be merely harmless idiocy, were it not for the fact that most of those people are completely wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For most purposes , reasonably people look at the available data first and then infer a conclusion .
When it comes to " moral " matters , though , you get a certain subset of people who work in the opposite direction .
Instead of saying " Well , I do seem to be surrounded by CD-R copies of commercial software activated with leaked VLKs , I must be a dirty pirate .
" they say " I 'm obviously a good person , and good people do n't do bad things , therefore the things that I have done could not possibly be bad .
" This would be merely harmless idiocy , were it not for the fact that most of those people are completely wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For most purposes, reasonably people look at the available data first and then infer a conclusion.
When it comes to "moral" matters, though, you get a certain subset of people who work in the opposite direction.
Instead of saying "Well, I do seem to be surrounded by CD-R copies of commercial software activated with leaked VLKs, I must be a dirty pirate.
" they say "I'm obviously a good person, and good people don't do bad things, therefore the things that I have done could not possibly be bad.
" 

This would be merely harmless idiocy, were it not for the fact that most of those people are completely wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088956</id>
	<title>Ethics in general</title>
	<author>mkawick</author>
	<datestamp>1258138140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At this point, you feel a little queasy, but probably not enough to quit your job... it probably doesn't seem like a big enough deal over which to quit. But, your boss is demonstrating that he does not feel queasy which means that if this trend continues, you may be doing something very unseemly for him before you know it. Ethics is a hard one because you need to work and minor offenses that your boss approves don't really reflect on you, right? You are doing what you are told and you even wrote something on Slashdot which should help clear you conscience.</p><p>That fact is that all companies do some unethical things (which is why companies should be highly regulated IMHO). We should consider what it really means though for you to follow orders in this case.</p><p>First, you are validating your bosses bad behavior and in effect telling him that he's doing a good job.<br>Second, you are encouraging other people to copy software.<br>Third, you are not taking a stand and demonstrating to others that your own ethics might be less-than-stellar.</p><p>Lastly, there is the legal issue. You might just go to jail.</p><p>Other than quitting, you can simply find out the costs, present them to your boss as a plan for upgrade, and give it to him every few weeks. That way, you are taking initiative, demonstrating that you care, and showing that most software doesn't really cost very much. Also, encouraging the company to use open source might just push him toward being more ethical and get you a promotion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At this point , you feel a little queasy , but probably not enough to quit your job... it probably does n't seem like a big enough deal over which to quit .
But , your boss is demonstrating that he does not feel queasy which means that if this trend continues , you may be doing something very unseemly for him before you know it .
Ethics is a hard one because you need to work and minor offenses that your boss approves do n't really reflect on you , right ?
You are doing what you are told and you even wrote something on Slashdot which should help clear you conscience.That fact is that all companies do some unethical things ( which is why companies should be highly regulated IMHO ) .
We should consider what it really means though for you to follow orders in this case.First , you are validating your bosses bad behavior and in effect telling him that he 's doing a good job.Second , you are encouraging other people to copy software.Third , you are not taking a stand and demonstrating to others that your own ethics might be less-than-stellar.Lastly , there is the legal issue .
You might just go to jail.Other than quitting , you can simply find out the costs , present them to your boss as a plan for upgrade , and give it to him every few weeks .
That way , you are taking initiative , demonstrating that you care , and showing that most software does n't really cost very much .
Also , encouraging the company to use open source might just push him toward being more ethical and get you a promotion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At this point, you feel a little queasy, but probably not enough to quit your job... it probably doesn't seem like a big enough deal over which to quit.
But, your boss is demonstrating that he does not feel queasy which means that if this trend continues, you may be doing something very unseemly for him before you know it.
Ethics is a hard one because you need to work and minor offenses that your boss approves don't really reflect on you, right?
You are doing what you are told and you even wrote something on Slashdot which should help clear you conscience.That fact is that all companies do some unethical things (which is why companies should be highly regulated IMHO).
We should consider what it really means though for you to follow orders in this case.First, you are validating your bosses bad behavior and in effect telling him that he's doing a good job.Second, you are encouraging other people to copy software.Third, you are not taking a stand and demonstrating to others that your own ethics might be less-than-stellar.Lastly, there is the legal issue.
You might just go to jail.Other than quitting, you can simply find out the costs, present them to your boss as a plan for upgrade, and give it to him every few weeks.
That way, you are taking initiative, demonstrating that you care, and showing that most software doesn't really cost very much.
Also, encouraging the company to use open source might just push him toward being more ethical and get you a promotion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30109274</id>
	<title>anon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258282560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no one will likely read this, and i wont be able to reply even if they do, given the flood of comments, but if anyone can benefit from this info...</p><p>the two places i worked at that i helped begin using opensource software got some much shit from their employees every time something went wrong with the individual's computer because, well, it must be the free software that fucked their computer up right? even some of the managers had trouble understanding that free software is sometimes way better and more stable than the other shit. i cant tell you how many times i had to listen to everyone bitch about this thing; the level of ignorance was amazing. after some time, i stopped trying to help them understand the situation and the software because they weren't interested.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no one will likely read this , and i wont be able to reply even if they do , given the flood of comments , but if anyone can benefit from this info...the two places i worked at that i helped begin using opensource software got some much shit from their employees every time something went wrong with the individual 's computer because , well , it must be the free software that fucked their computer up right ?
even some of the managers had trouble understanding that free software is sometimes way better and more stable than the other shit .
i cant tell you how many times i had to listen to everyone bitch about this thing ; the level of ignorance was amazing .
after some time , i stopped trying to help them understand the situation and the software because they were n't interested .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no one will likely read this, and i wont be able to reply even if they do, given the flood of comments, but if anyone can benefit from this info...the two places i worked at that i helped begin using opensource software got some much shit from their employees every time something went wrong with the individual's computer because, well, it must be the free software that fucked their computer up right?
even some of the managers had trouble understanding that free software is sometimes way better and more stable than the other shit.
i cant tell you how many times i had to listen to everyone bitch about this thing; the level of ignorance was amazing.
after some time, i stopped trying to help them understand the situation and the software because they weren't interested.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088544</id>
	<title>Report them to the Software Business Alliance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258136520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then when they fire you, sue as a whistle-blower, take all their money, and shut the crooks down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then when they fire you , sue as a whistle-blower , take all their money , and shut the crooks down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then when they fire you, sue as a whistle-blower, take all their money, and shut the crooks down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089670</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258140720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Windows 2000 you could install<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ZIP file capabilities as an operating system component.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Windows 2000 you could install .ZIP file capabilities as an operating system component .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Windows 2000 you could install .ZIP file capabilities as an operating system component.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088530</id>
	<title>Contact the BSA &amp; request an audit</title>
	<author>mandark1967</author>
	<datestamp>1258136520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have a rewards program that will pay you money for turning in your company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have a rewards program that will pay you money for turning in your company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have a rewards program that will pay you money for turning in your company.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30094548</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>mattb47</author>
	<datestamp>1258127220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The list of antiviruses that are totally free for business is pretty slim.  Most free antivirus programs are only free for personal usage.</p><p>Security Essentials isn't free for business, just home businesses.  Sorry.  I wish it was totally free.  But most free AV isn't supposed to be used by home businesses either, so Microsoft is actually a bit more open than most AV companies.  (Imagine that...)  Security Essentials' license information here:<br>http://www.microsoft.com/security\_Essentials/eula.aspx#mainNav</p><p>"You may install and use any number of copies of the software [MS Security Essentials] on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business."</p><p>ClamWin (which can't do realtime scans), Comodo, and PC Tools are all OK for any use (commercial or personal).  Comodo is probably the best of the bunch, but it's very, very complex.  It comes with Comodo's firewall -- which is very powerful but arcane.  PC Tools' antivirus doesn't automatically update.</p><p>http://www.clamwin.com/<br>http://antivirus.comodo.com/<br>http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/</p><p>Spyware Terminator is completely free for any use and can use the ClamWin engine as a realtime antivirus.  But I haven't tried it yet.  This may be the best current option.<br>http://www.spywareterminator.com/<br>http://www.techmalaya.com/2008/05/10/clamav-real-time-scan/</p><p>Moon Secure AV is a realtime version of ClamAV, but it was pretty flaky the last time I tried it.  Maybe it's better now?  (Wikipedia notes that Moon is violating the GPL by not publishing its code.  So take that into consideration, too.)  If Moon worked well, it would probably be a great choice.<br>http://www.moonsecure.com/</p><p>On the ZIP front, I like IZArc better than 7zip.  It's basically 7zip (it uses 7zip's code) with an interface more similar to WinZip.  I think this makes it a better WinZip replacement.<br>http://www.izarc.org/</p><p>- Matthew Borcherding</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The list of antiviruses that are totally free for business is pretty slim .
Most free antivirus programs are only free for personal usage.Security Essentials is n't free for business , just home businesses .
Sorry. I wish it was totally free .
But most free AV is n't supposed to be used by home businesses either , so Microsoft is actually a bit more open than most AV companies .
( Imagine that... ) Security Essentials ' license information here : http : //www.microsoft.com/security \ _Essentials/eula.aspx # mainNav " You may install and use any number of copies of the software [ MS Security Essentials ] on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business .
" ClamWin ( which ca n't do realtime scans ) , Comodo , and PC Tools are all OK for any use ( commercial or personal ) .
Comodo is probably the best of the bunch , but it 's very , very complex .
It comes with Comodo 's firewall -- which is very powerful but arcane .
PC Tools ' antivirus does n't automatically update.http : //www.clamwin.com/http : //antivirus.comodo.com/http : //www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/Spyware Terminator is completely free for any use and can use the ClamWin engine as a realtime antivirus .
But I have n't tried it yet .
This may be the best current option.http : //www.spywareterminator.com/http : //www.techmalaya.com/2008/05/10/clamav-real-time-scan/Moon Secure AV is a realtime version of ClamAV , but it was pretty flaky the last time I tried it .
Maybe it 's better now ?
( Wikipedia notes that Moon is violating the GPL by not publishing its code .
So take that into consideration , too .
) If Moon worked well , it would probably be a great choice.http : //www.moonsecure.com/On the ZIP front , I like IZArc better than 7zip .
It 's basically 7zip ( it uses 7zip 's code ) with an interface more similar to WinZip .
I think this makes it a better WinZip replacement.http : //www.izarc.org/- Matthew Borcherding</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The list of antiviruses that are totally free for business is pretty slim.
Most free antivirus programs are only free for personal usage.Security Essentials isn't free for business, just home businesses.
Sorry.  I wish it was totally free.
But most free AV isn't supposed to be used by home businesses either, so Microsoft is actually a bit more open than most AV companies.
(Imagine that...)  Security Essentials' license information here:http://www.microsoft.com/security\_Essentials/eula.aspx#mainNav"You may install and use any number of copies of the software [MS Security Essentials] on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business.
"ClamWin (which can't do realtime scans), Comodo, and PC Tools are all OK for any use (commercial or personal).
Comodo is probably the best of the bunch, but it's very, very complex.
It comes with Comodo's firewall -- which is very powerful but arcane.
PC Tools' antivirus doesn't automatically update.http://www.clamwin.com/http://antivirus.comodo.com/http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/Spyware Terminator is completely free for any use and can use the ClamWin engine as a realtime antivirus.
But I haven't tried it yet.
This may be the best current option.http://www.spywareterminator.com/http://www.techmalaya.com/2008/05/10/clamav-real-time-scan/Moon Secure AV is a realtime version of ClamAV, but it was pretty flaky the last time I tried it.
Maybe it's better now?
(Wikipedia notes that Moon is violating the GPL by not publishing its code.
So take that into consideration, too.
)  If Moon worked well, it would probably be a great choice.http://www.moonsecure.com/On the ZIP front, I like IZArc better than 7zip.
It's basically 7zip (it uses 7zip's code) with an interface more similar to WinZip.
I think this makes it a better WinZip replacement.http://www.izarc.org/- Matthew Borcherding</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30121386</id>
	<title>compliance migration plan</title>
	<author>BusyByte</author>
	<datestamp>1258365660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suggest you anonymously tip off your compliance department if you have one.
If you don't have one then suggest that it will work in the short term but come up with a plan to come into compliance or a real alternative which meets your budget and requirements.
If all else fails then look do what you're told or look for another job.
Keep some documentation in case they come looking for somebody that you were told to do that even when you objected.
When you change jobs, if you want to burn bridges then report them to the software authors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I suggest you anonymously tip off your compliance department if you have one .
If you do n't have one then suggest that it will work in the short term but come up with a plan to come into compliance or a real alternative which meets your budget and requirements .
If all else fails then look do what you 're told or look for another job .
Keep some documentation in case they come looking for somebody that you were told to do that even when you objected .
When you change jobs , if you want to burn bridges then report them to the software authors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suggest you anonymously tip off your compliance department if you have one.
If you don't have one then suggest that it will work in the short term but come up with a plan to come into compliance or a real alternative which meets your budget and requirements.
If all else fails then look do what you're told or look for another job.
Keep some documentation in case they come looking for somebody that you were told to do that even when you objected.
When you change jobs, if you want to burn bridges then report them to the software authors.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088630</id>
	<title>7-zip FTW?</title>
	<author>swb311</author>
	<datestamp>1258136820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, 7-zip is not only free, but in many aspects faster and better than WinZip.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , 7-zip is not only free , but in many aspects faster and better than WinZip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, 7-zip is not only free, but in many aspects faster and better than WinZip.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30097762</id>
	<title>No reward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258216500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't have a chance to read all 800 something posts on here, but if you have installed any of the software yourself, and the poster has, you CAN'T report them to the BSA, you're not eligible for a reward, and you are in a very bad position.  Not to say that he will be the one to take the hit, if he takes everyones recomendations to document his efforts to get the organization compliant i'm sure that will go a long way to vindicating him, but he can lose any and all thoughts of claiming a reward, since he's not eligible for it.  Best he could do is have someone else call it in, cover his butt, and split the money.  Which is what I would personally do if the president of the company snubbed me like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't have a chance to read all 800 something posts on here , but if you have installed any of the software yourself , and the poster has , you CA N'T report them to the BSA , you 're not eligible for a reward , and you are in a very bad position .
Not to say that he will be the one to take the hit , if he takes everyones recomendations to document his efforts to get the organization compliant i 'm sure that will go a long way to vindicating him , but he can lose any and all thoughts of claiming a reward , since he 's not eligible for it .
Best he could do is have someone else call it in , cover his butt , and split the money .
Which is what I would personally do if the president of the company snubbed me like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't have a chance to read all 800 something posts on here, but if you have installed any of the software yourself, and the poster has, you CAN'T report them to the BSA, you're not eligible for a reward, and you are in a very bad position.
Not to say that he will be the one to take the hit, if he takes everyones recomendations to document his efforts to get the organization compliant i'm sure that will go a long way to vindicating him, but he can lose any and all thoughts of claiming a reward, since he's not eligible for it.
Best he could do is have someone else call it in, cover his butt, and split the money.
Which is what I would personally do if the president of the company snubbed me like that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089780</id>
	<title>Re:Common cause of termination in bad startups</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258141080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just to be clear, Octave is NOT a replacement for MATLAB. Sure the languages are broadly compatible, but that's like saying Notepad++ is a reasonable replacement for MS Word.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to be clear , Octave is NOT a replacement for MATLAB .
Sure the languages are broadly compatible , but that 's like saying Notepad + + is a reasonable replacement for MS Word .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to be clear, Octave is NOT a replacement for MATLAB.
Sure the languages are broadly compatible, but that's like saying Notepad++ is a reasonable replacement for MS Word.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089148</id>
	<title>You've violated the licensing yourself now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You just admitted you typed the CD-keys of software into google.  Google doesn't do anything to keep what people search for hidden, in fact they go out of their way to publish it.  Sure it's hard to find things that are only searched for once, but I'm certain that sharing the CD-Keys with a third party - even google - is prohibited by the license agreement</htmltext>
<tokenext>You just admitted you typed the CD-keys of software into google .
Google does n't do anything to keep what people search for hidden , in fact they go out of their way to publish it .
Sure it 's hard to find things that are only searched for once , but I 'm certain that sharing the CD-Keys with a third party - even google - is prohibited by the license agreement</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You just admitted you typed the CD-keys of software into google.
Google doesn't do anything to keep what people search for hidden, in fact they go out of their way to publish it.
Sure it's hard to find things that are only searched for once, but I'm certain that sharing the CD-Keys with a third party - even google - is prohibited by the license agreement</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091288</id>
	<title>call the bsa and you can get up to 1m for turning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258104180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>call the bsa and you can get up to 1m for turning them in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>call the bsa and you can get up to 1m for turning them in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>call the bsa and you can get up to 1m for turning them in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090494</id>
	<title>They will not change.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258143780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Something very similar happened to me, and they will not change their practices unless given an extremely compelling reason to do so (force). The CTO sat in his office torrenting Visual Studio and whatever else the company didn't feel like purchasing. I don't know how many unlicensed copies of Windows XP were running in the server closet. The promise was always that once we got bigger and could afford it, we'd buy everything.</p><p>They cut me loose before that ever happened, and since I can't keep an eye on them anymore (I know, that is extremely self-righteous of me), I handed that responsibility over to the BSA. Call me a disgruntled rat, that's fine, but stealing is stealing. I wasn't brave enough to report them while they still paid me, but without fear of reprisal hanging over my head, I was finally able to make the report. I'm not proud of how it all played out, but it's tough when you're terrified.</p><p>If they know you've got issues with the piracy, you've already been marked. A lot of the responses I'm reading here say "find a new job" like it's no big deal... the fact that you're asking what to do in the first place means it's a huge deal because you've got something invested in the company. Leaving is uncomfortable, to say the least. In this mess, the piracy is bad enough, but then there's the personal aspect -- this is your livelihood, and it's being passed over rather easily by a lot of folks who are examining the larger issue. But keep in mind it may not be your decision to make if you wait too long. My employer threw me out on my head on bogus charges. No surprise.</p><p>Start now: you need to keep documentation of everything. At the very least, when you part ways, you'll have evidence for the BSA (if they care). At the very worst, you'll have evidence for a wrongful termination case if they fire you (if you're fired for complaining about an employer's illegal activities, that employer can get so totally nailed). Get meticulous about it, and create a "chronology"... on such-and-such date I said this, but was refused. And so on. Also, pretend you're on live TV and that everything you email/IM will be read by people in a court room henceforth. If you end up with a case, life will be that much easier for you.</p><p>I know that all sounds like a lot and is rather dramatic, but it really can happen.</p><p>Good luck. =(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Something very similar happened to me , and they will not change their practices unless given an extremely compelling reason to do so ( force ) .
The CTO sat in his office torrenting Visual Studio and whatever else the company did n't feel like purchasing .
I do n't know how many unlicensed copies of Windows XP were running in the server closet .
The promise was always that once we got bigger and could afford it , we 'd buy everything.They cut me loose before that ever happened , and since I ca n't keep an eye on them anymore ( I know , that is extremely self-righteous of me ) , I handed that responsibility over to the BSA .
Call me a disgruntled rat , that 's fine , but stealing is stealing .
I was n't brave enough to report them while they still paid me , but without fear of reprisal hanging over my head , I was finally able to make the report .
I 'm not proud of how it all played out , but it 's tough when you 're terrified.If they know you 've got issues with the piracy , you 've already been marked .
A lot of the responses I 'm reading here say " find a new job " like it 's no big deal... the fact that you 're asking what to do in the first place means it 's a huge deal because you 've got something invested in the company .
Leaving is uncomfortable , to say the least .
In this mess , the piracy is bad enough , but then there 's the personal aspect -- this is your livelihood , and it 's being passed over rather easily by a lot of folks who are examining the larger issue .
But keep in mind it may not be your decision to make if you wait too long .
My employer threw me out on my head on bogus charges .
No surprise.Start now : you need to keep documentation of everything .
At the very least , when you part ways , you 'll have evidence for the BSA ( if they care ) .
At the very worst , you 'll have evidence for a wrongful termination case if they fire you ( if you 're fired for complaining about an employer 's illegal activities , that employer can get so totally nailed ) .
Get meticulous about it , and create a " chronology " ... on such-and-such date I said this , but was refused .
And so on .
Also , pretend you 're on live TV and that everything you email/IM will be read by people in a court room henceforth .
If you end up with a case , life will be that much easier for you.I know that all sounds like a lot and is rather dramatic , but it really can happen.Good luck .
= (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something very similar happened to me, and they will not change their practices unless given an extremely compelling reason to do so (force).
The CTO sat in his office torrenting Visual Studio and whatever else the company didn't feel like purchasing.
I don't know how many unlicensed copies of Windows XP were running in the server closet.
The promise was always that once we got bigger and could afford it, we'd buy everything.They cut me loose before that ever happened, and since I can't keep an eye on them anymore (I know, that is extremely self-righteous of me), I handed that responsibility over to the BSA.
Call me a disgruntled rat, that's fine, but stealing is stealing.
I wasn't brave enough to report them while they still paid me, but without fear of reprisal hanging over my head, I was finally able to make the report.
I'm not proud of how it all played out, but it's tough when you're terrified.If they know you've got issues with the piracy, you've already been marked.
A lot of the responses I'm reading here say "find a new job" like it's no big deal... the fact that you're asking what to do in the first place means it's a huge deal because you've got something invested in the company.
Leaving is uncomfortable, to say the least.
In this mess, the piracy is bad enough, but then there's the personal aspect -- this is your livelihood, and it's being passed over rather easily by a lot of folks who are examining the larger issue.
But keep in mind it may not be your decision to make if you wait too long.
My employer threw me out on my head on bogus charges.
No surprise.Start now: you need to keep documentation of everything.
At the very least, when you part ways, you'll have evidence for the BSA (if they care).
At the very worst, you'll have evidence for a wrongful termination case if they fire you (if you're fired for complaining about an employer's illegal activities, that employer can get so totally nailed).
Get meticulous about it, and create a "chronology"... on such-and-such date I said this, but was refused.
And so on.
Also, pretend you're on live TV and that everything you email/IM will be read by people in a court room henceforth.
If you end up with a case, life will be that much easier for you.I know that all sounds like a lot and is rather dramatic, but it really can happen.Good luck.
=(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088870</id>
	<title>Who's Watching the Watchers?</title>
	<author>WankersRevenge</author>
	<datestamp>1258137780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I worked for a company eight years ago that bought a software company.  They were all about getting tough on piracy that they created a task forced headed by the top legal counsel in the company.  In meetings, they talked about the steps they took, smacking down pirates.
<br> <br>
Everyone of those anti-piracy motherfuckers were just as bad as the people who they were cracking down.  They all traded cracked copies of shit out of the meeting.  I didn't think it was that bad until  I was at work late one night. The head counsel visited my desk, asked for a cracked copy of photoshop, then borrowed one of my photoshop books.  No joke.
<br> <br>
This company is still in business today.  I don't know if those people are still there, but they ran that small software division into the ground.
<br> <br>
The funny thing, that's when I started posting on Slashdot.  Jesus Christ, I can't believe I've been visiting the same web site for eight years.  I need a life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked for a company eight years ago that bought a software company .
They were all about getting tough on piracy that they created a task forced headed by the top legal counsel in the company .
In meetings , they talked about the steps they took , smacking down pirates .
Everyone of those anti-piracy motherfuckers were just as bad as the people who they were cracking down .
They all traded cracked copies of shit out of the meeting .
I did n't think it was that bad until I was at work late one night .
The head counsel visited my desk , asked for a cracked copy of photoshop , then borrowed one of my photoshop books .
No joke .
This company is still in business today .
I do n't know if those people are still there , but they ran that small software division into the ground .
The funny thing , that 's when I started posting on Slashdot .
Jesus Christ , I ca n't believe I 've been visiting the same web site for eight years .
I need a life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked for a company eight years ago that bought a software company.
They were all about getting tough on piracy that they created a task forced headed by the top legal counsel in the company.
In meetings, they talked about the steps they took, smacking down pirates.
Everyone of those anti-piracy motherfuckers were just as bad as the people who they were cracking down.
They all traded cracked copies of shit out of the meeting.
I didn't think it was that bad until  I was at work late one night.
The head counsel visited my desk, asked for a cracked copy of photoshop, then borrowed one of my photoshop books.
No joke.
This company is still in business today.
I don't know if those people are still there, but they ran that small software division into the ground.
The funny thing, that's when I started posting on Slashdot.
Jesus Christ, I can't believe I've been visiting the same web site for eight years.
I need a life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090228</id>
	<title>My own advice, own experience....</title>
	<author>dwiget001</author>
	<datestamp>1258142880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have worked in a software company for 17 of the last 22 years.</p><p>My company, in particular the CEO and senior management, know copyright law pretty well and have our CIO take steps to ensure we only install and use software that A) we have a valid license for (paid for if closed source, proper license if free, etc.) and B) that we only run the allowed numbers of copies based on the license and C) that we always abide by our licenses.</p><p>Now, me being the V.P. in charge of our Quality Assurance Division, I found a piece of software "Beyond Compare", and bought a copy. I found that it was extremely useful for a good portion of the work I have to do, namely, review code changes from version to version to ensure all of our coding standards are fully applied, including commenting, format, naming conventions, etc. It was so useful, that I did a short study of how often I used it, how long it took me with other tools I had used for the same thing, figured out time savings, compared costs, etc. and put up a request for purchase for a five copy license for use by our Product Managers (with their input as well). Company bought the five copies.</p><p>Now, in your shoes, I can only offer this: You must, to protect your own butt, in writing, inform the company what the license terms for the software are and that there are possible legal issues if they continue to utilize the software in violation of the license, then propose the solution (having done your home work on cost, etc.) of getting the software properly licensed. If management comes back and tells you to mind your own business, or anything of the sort, if it was me, I would find a new job. Because, if the crap hits the fan over the practices of violating license agreements, eventually, the BSA (yes, I hate them too), will come knocking at the door and then management will get a very very rude awakening. It is in the company's best interest to either abide by the licenses for software they are using or to not use such software at all.</p><p>Personally, as much as I hate Microsoft (due to their anti-competitive practices and some other key things), I still abide by their licenses, just like I do for any other software I have or use. I have an aversion to jack-booted-thugs coming in and raiding places.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have worked in a software company for 17 of the last 22 years.My company , in particular the CEO and senior management , know copyright law pretty well and have our CIO take steps to ensure we only install and use software that A ) we have a valid license for ( paid for if closed source , proper license if free , etc .
) and B ) that we only run the allowed numbers of copies based on the license and C ) that we always abide by our licenses.Now , me being the V.P .
in charge of our Quality Assurance Division , I found a piece of software " Beyond Compare " , and bought a copy .
I found that it was extremely useful for a good portion of the work I have to do , namely , review code changes from version to version to ensure all of our coding standards are fully applied , including commenting , format , naming conventions , etc .
It was so useful , that I did a short study of how often I used it , how long it took me with other tools I had used for the same thing , figured out time savings , compared costs , etc .
and put up a request for purchase for a five copy license for use by our Product Managers ( with their input as well ) .
Company bought the five copies.Now , in your shoes , I can only offer this : You must , to protect your own butt , in writing , inform the company what the license terms for the software are and that there are possible legal issues if they continue to utilize the software in violation of the license , then propose the solution ( having done your home work on cost , etc .
) of getting the software properly licensed .
If management comes back and tells you to mind your own business , or anything of the sort , if it was me , I would find a new job .
Because , if the crap hits the fan over the practices of violating license agreements , eventually , the BSA ( yes , I hate them too ) , will come knocking at the door and then management will get a very very rude awakening .
It is in the company 's best interest to either abide by the licenses for software they are using or to not use such software at all.Personally , as much as I hate Microsoft ( due to their anti-competitive practices and some other key things ) , I still abide by their licenses , just like I do for any other software I have or use .
I have an aversion to jack-booted-thugs coming in and raiding places .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have worked in a software company for 17 of the last 22 years.My company, in particular the CEO and senior management, know copyright law pretty well and have our CIO take steps to ensure we only install and use software that A) we have a valid license for (paid for if closed source, proper license if free, etc.
) and B) that we only run the allowed numbers of copies based on the license and C) that we always abide by our licenses.Now, me being the V.P.
in charge of our Quality Assurance Division, I found a piece of software "Beyond Compare", and bought a copy.
I found that it was extremely useful for a good portion of the work I have to do, namely, review code changes from version to version to ensure all of our coding standards are fully applied, including commenting, format, naming conventions, etc.
It was so useful, that I did a short study of how often I used it, how long it took me with other tools I had used for the same thing, figured out time savings, compared costs, etc.
and put up a request for purchase for a five copy license for use by our Product Managers (with their input as well).
Company bought the five copies.Now, in your shoes, I can only offer this: You must, to protect your own butt, in writing, inform the company what the license terms for the software are and that there are possible legal issues if they continue to utilize the software in violation of the license, then propose the solution (having done your home work on cost, etc.
) of getting the software properly licensed.
If management comes back and tells you to mind your own business, or anything of the sort, if it was me, I would find a new job.
Because, if the crap hits the fan over the practices of violating license agreements, eventually, the BSA (yes, I hate them too), will come knocking at the door and then management will get a very very rude awakening.
It is in the company's best interest to either abide by the licenses for software they are using or to not use such software at all.Personally, as much as I hate Microsoft (due to their anti-competitive practices and some other key things), I still abide by their licenses, just like I do for any other software I have or use.
I have an aversion to jack-booted-thugs coming in and raiding places.
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30142080</id>
	<title>Irony</title>
	<author>angelbunny</author>
	<datestamp>1257081960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So if a company 'cheats' the system, as in they do not pay for a license then they do not legally have to accept an audit without a court order. However, if a company is legitimate and buys a proper license then they have to legally accept an audit?</p><p>Sounds like the safe solution is to cheat the system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So if a company 'cheats ' the system , as in they do not pay for a license then they do not legally have to accept an audit without a court order .
However , if a company is legitimate and buys a proper license then they have to legally accept an audit ? Sounds like the safe solution is to cheat the system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if a company 'cheats' the system, as in they do not pay for a license then they do not legally have to accept an audit without a court order.
However, if a company is legitimate and buys a proper license then they have to legally accept an audit?Sounds like the safe solution is to cheat the system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089374</id>
	<title>Re:Different Approach</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258139580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Free software is only free if your time is valueless."</p><p>I find that the changes that Microsoft makes between versions (XP -&gt; Win7, new ribbon bars in office) is far more disruptive than the differences between MS Office and OpenOffice.  If you've used Office 97-2003, you'll find OpenOffice a lot more intuitive than this dumb "ribbon bar" they force upon you in the new versions of MS Office. OO also does a pretty good job of reading/writing MS formats.</p><p>The only part of OO that is substandard is the spreadsheet (Calc).  Graphs are awkward and ugly, compared to Excel.  The word processor, vector drawing, and powerpoint-equivalent are quite good.</p><p>Point is that yes, you have to consider the cost of support - but people underestimate the cost of support for commercial software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Free software is only free if your time is valueless .
" I find that the changes that Microsoft makes between versions ( XP - &gt; Win7 , new ribbon bars in office ) is far more disruptive than the differences between MS Office and OpenOffice .
If you 've used Office 97-2003 , you 'll find OpenOffice a lot more intuitive than this dumb " ribbon bar " they force upon you in the new versions of MS Office .
OO also does a pretty good job of reading/writing MS formats.The only part of OO that is substandard is the spreadsheet ( Calc ) .
Graphs are awkward and ugly , compared to Excel .
The word processor , vector drawing , and powerpoint-equivalent are quite good.Point is that yes , you have to consider the cost of support - but people underestimate the cost of support for commercial software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Free software is only free if your time is valueless.
"I find that the changes that Microsoft makes between versions (XP -&gt; Win7, new ribbon bars in office) is far more disruptive than the differences between MS Office and OpenOffice.
If you've used Office 97-2003, you'll find OpenOffice a lot more intuitive than this dumb "ribbon bar" they force upon you in the new versions of MS Office.
OO also does a pretty good job of reading/writing MS formats.The only part of OO that is substandard is the spreadsheet (Calc).
Graphs are awkward and ugly, compared to Excel.
The word processor, vector drawing, and powerpoint-equivalent are quite good.Point is that yes, you have to consider the cost of support - but people underestimate the cost of support for commercial software.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090580</id>
	<title>You need to Calmly Explain Open Source</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258144140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You need to explain what Open Source is in clear, understandable language.  Make your presentation congenial, NOT condescending.</p><p>1.  Learn what Open Source is yourself if you do not already understand it fully from a legal and copyright point of view.<br>2.  Start your explanation with the Basics:  "Open Source, not Open Sores".  What is source code?  What does having the source available to the public mean if we are just going to install an executable on our PC's, and not do our own development work?<br>3.  Open Source Software *DOES* have a copyright.  (People actually argue that with me) There are hundreds of OS licenses, each granting certain rights.  Open source software licenses have been tested in court.<br>4.  Why is something that is "Open" harder to break into?  Concept of peer review. (I use the term Peer Reviewed Software, not Open Source).<br>5.  Explain the true cost and legal implications of some of the nastier proprietary software licenses and EULA's  (Is he really going to show up at 3 am in his pajamas to allow MS/BSA personnel into the offices?)  Highlight or draw red circles around certain conditions of the license on or in the actual box.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You need to explain what Open Source is in clear , understandable language .
Make your presentation congenial , NOT condescending.1 .
Learn what Open Source is yourself if you do not already understand it fully from a legal and copyright point of view.2 .
Start your explanation with the Basics : " Open Source , not Open Sores " .
What is source code ?
What does having the source available to the public mean if we are just going to install an executable on our PC 's , and not do our own development work ? 3 .
Open Source Software * DOES * have a copyright .
( People actually argue that with me ) There are hundreds of OS licenses , each granting certain rights .
Open source software licenses have been tested in court.4 .
Why is something that is " Open " harder to break into ?
Concept of peer review .
( I use the term Peer Reviewed Software , not Open Source ) .5 .
Explain the true cost and legal implications of some of the nastier proprietary software licenses and EULA 's ( Is he really going to show up at 3 am in his pajamas to allow MS/BSA personnel into the offices ?
) Highlight or draw red circles around certain conditions of the license on or in the actual box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need to explain what Open Source is in clear, understandable language.
Make your presentation congenial, NOT condescending.1.
Learn what Open Source is yourself if you do not already understand it fully from a legal and copyright point of view.2.
Start your explanation with the Basics:  "Open Source, not Open Sores".
What is source code?
What does having the source available to the public mean if we are just going to install an executable on our PC's, and not do our own development work?3.
Open Source Software *DOES* have a copyright.
(People actually argue that with me) There are hundreds of OS licenses, each granting certain rights.
Open source software licenses have been tested in court.4.
Why is something that is "Open" harder to break into?
Concept of peer review.
(I use the term Peer Reviewed Software, not Open Source).5.
Explain the true cost and legal implications of some of the nastier proprietary software licenses and EULA's  (Is he really going to show up at 3 am in his pajamas to allow MS/BSA personnel into the offices?
)  Highlight or draw red circles around certain conditions of the license on or in the actual box.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088836</id>
	<title>run away</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258137660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Polish resume and begin looking for work elsewhere.  Either they're willing to risk prosecution for profit or else they are doing so poorly your job isn't that secure anyway.  If you otherwise like them, you could suggest open source alternatives, but the way you've presented it, it smells bad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Polish resume and begin looking for work elsewhere .
Either they 're willing to risk prosecution for profit or else they are doing so poorly your job is n't that secure anyway .
If you otherwise like them , you could suggest open source alternatives , but the way you 've presented it , it smells bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Polish resume and begin looking for work elsewhere.
Either they're willing to risk prosecution for profit or else they are doing so poorly your job isn't that secure anyway.
If you otherwise like them, you could suggest open source alternatives, but the way you've presented it, it smells bad.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091892</id>
	<title>Legit software or your job ?</title>
	<author>Latinhypercube</author>
	<datestamp>1258107120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So would you rather they have legit software OR you have a job ? Since the cost of the software is probably &gt; than you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So would you rather they have legit software OR you have a job ?
Since the cost of the software is probably &gt; than you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So would you rather they have legit software OR you have a job ?
Since the cost of the software is probably &gt; than you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089646</id>
	<title>Re:Change in some Policies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258140600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>First off, you shouldn't need to use Winzip, every computer since like Windows 95 has had its own method of compression to send files. </p></div><p>Wrong. And I quit reading this after the "like".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , you should n't need to use Winzip , every computer since like Windows 95 has had its own method of compression to send files .
Wrong. And I quit reading this after the " like " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, you shouldn't need to use Winzip, every computer since like Windows 95 has had its own method of compression to send files.
Wrong. And I quit reading this after the "like".
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088590</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088984</id>
	<title>Paper trail will prevail</title>
	<author>superdx</author>
	<datestamp>1258138200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sometimes companies do have valid licenses (usually purchased in bulk) but no one has any idea where they are and what the heck happened to the software keys. Not every company is blessed with IT departments or people - so from their point of view, they paid for it, and they just use whatever method they can to get it working, this is especially true on the other side of the world where calling the local Microsoft or vendor office won't get you much help. And no way they are going to call a US hot-line to get it resolved <br> <br>

In a local court of law, especially one where software rights are acknowledged, sometimes the actual software and license key is irrelevant as long as the paper trail holds up</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes companies do have valid licenses ( usually purchased in bulk ) but no one has any idea where they are and what the heck happened to the software keys .
Not every company is blessed with IT departments or people - so from their point of view , they paid for it , and they just use whatever method they can to get it working , this is especially true on the other side of the world where calling the local Microsoft or vendor office wo n't get you much help .
And no way they are going to call a US hot-line to get it resolved In a local court of law , especially one where software rights are acknowledged , sometimes the actual software and license key is irrelevant as long as the paper trail holds up</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes companies do have valid licenses (usually purchased in bulk) but no one has any idea where they are and what the heck happened to the software keys.
Not every company is blessed with IT departments or people - so from their point of view, they paid for it, and they just use whatever method they can to get it working, this is especially true on the other side of the world where calling the local Microsoft or vendor office won't get you much help.
And no way they are going to call a US hot-line to get it resolved  

In a local court of law, especially one where software rights are acknowledged, sometimes the actual software and license key is irrelevant as long as the paper trail holds up</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089972</id>
	<title>Re:Let me get past the easy comments...</title>
	<author>SeximusMaximus</author>
	<datestamp>1258141860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There are already tons of posts saying either "document it" or "find another job".  Here's what I recommend.



1. Take a software inventory.  Figure out what is installed where, and which license codes/CD keys are being used.

2. Pull records.  We get a lot of our PCs pre-loaded with MS apps and Acrobat.  Those OEM installs stay with the machines, though many places try to move them forward from machine to machine (thus creating the impression that "we must have bought it sometime").

3. Check online sites, like Microsoft's eOpen site, or contact specific vendors (e.g., call Autodesk or your VAR) and ask them to send you a summary of your current licenses.

4. Document your level of usage against your level of compliance. Include all costs for becoming compliant.  Be sure to include one time costs (e.g., buying additional seats) and any recurring costs (e.g., maintenance, back maintenance, reinstatement fees).

5. Educate management that software is licensed, not purchased.

6. Include information regarding the legal liability related to pirated software.  Include references to any cases you can find, including actual fines, as well as potential fines (caps). Note the reputational risk to the company as well.

7. Prepare a plan for bringing the company into compliance.  Include possible stop-gap measures and alternatives (e.g., limiting the number of users with a specific pieces of software, buying one additional license per year, using OpenOffice).

8. Compile everything into a well-documented report/memo (depending on your company's preferred style), and be sure to present it personally (don't just email it off).  Offer to meet at another time, if necessary, but you must make it clear how important this is.  Offer to meet with the entire management team. Communicate, communicate, communicate.

9. Let management know you don't plan on blowing the whistle (they'll surely say "nobody knows, so we're fine"), but make them aware that any disgruntled employee could make a call in to the piracy hotline.  If you have the intestinal fortitude to do so, you could even make it clear (if it reflects your beliefs) that you value your integrity and that you cannot, in good conscience, help the company steal software/violate contract terms.  Of course, that means you need to be ready to put up or shut up.



All that being well and good, you can take some practical steps to start getting things into compliance going forward:</p><ul> <li>Commit to buying licenses for all new software requests.</li><li>Keep good inventory records of hardware (and associated OEM software) and software.</li><li>Start buying machines with appropriate OEM software (if small enough where volume licensing doesn't make sense), and consider buying shrink-wrap software on the same order (this might let the financial eggheads depreciate the entire purchase - IANATA)</li><li>Adopt free software that is not limited to home/personal/educational use, like Comodo Internet Security and OpenOffice.</li><li>Pray you don't get audited.</li></ul></div><p>Good points, making a comment so I have a reference to go back</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are already tons of posts saying either " document it " or " find another job " .
Here 's what I recommend .
1. Take a software inventory .
Figure out what is installed where , and which license codes/CD keys are being used .
2. Pull records .
We get a lot of our PCs pre-loaded with MS apps and Acrobat .
Those OEM installs stay with the machines , though many places try to move them forward from machine to machine ( thus creating the impression that " we must have bought it sometime " ) .
3. Check online sites , like Microsoft 's eOpen site , or contact specific vendors ( e.g. , call Autodesk or your VAR ) and ask them to send you a summary of your current licenses .
4. Document your level of usage against your level of compliance .
Include all costs for becoming compliant .
Be sure to include one time costs ( e.g. , buying additional seats ) and any recurring costs ( e.g. , maintenance , back maintenance , reinstatement fees ) .
5. Educate management that software is licensed , not purchased .
6. Include information regarding the legal liability related to pirated software .
Include references to any cases you can find , including actual fines , as well as potential fines ( caps ) .
Note the reputational risk to the company as well .
7. Prepare a plan for bringing the company into compliance .
Include possible stop-gap measures and alternatives ( e.g. , limiting the number of users with a specific pieces of software , buying one additional license per year , using OpenOffice ) .
8. Compile everything into a well-documented report/memo ( depending on your company 's preferred style ) , and be sure to present it personally ( do n't just email it off ) .
Offer to meet at another time , if necessary , but you must make it clear how important this is .
Offer to meet with the entire management team .
Communicate , communicate , communicate .
9. Let management know you do n't plan on blowing the whistle ( they 'll surely say " nobody knows , so we 're fine " ) , but make them aware that any disgruntled employee could make a call in to the piracy hotline .
If you have the intestinal fortitude to do so , you could even make it clear ( if it reflects your beliefs ) that you value your integrity and that you can not , in good conscience , help the company steal software/violate contract terms .
Of course , that means you need to be ready to put up or shut up .
All that being well and good , you can take some practical steps to start getting things into compliance going forward : Commit to buying licenses for all new software requests.Keep good inventory records of hardware ( and associated OEM software ) and software.Start buying machines with appropriate OEM software ( if small enough where volume licensing does n't make sense ) , and consider buying shrink-wrap software on the same order ( this might let the financial eggheads depreciate the entire purchase - IANATA ) Adopt free software that is not limited to home/personal/educational use , like Comodo Internet Security and OpenOffice.Pray you do n't get audited.Good points , making a comment so I have a reference to go back</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are already tons of posts saying either "document it" or "find another job".
Here's what I recommend.
1. Take a software inventory.
Figure out what is installed where, and which license codes/CD keys are being used.
2. Pull records.
We get a lot of our PCs pre-loaded with MS apps and Acrobat.
Those OEM installs stay with the machines, though many places try to move them forward from machine to machine (thus creating the impression that "we must have bought it sometime").
3. Check online sites, like Microsoft's eOpen site, or contact specific vendors (e.g., call Autodesk or your VAR) and ask them to send you a summary of your current licenses.
4. Document your level of usage against your level of compliance.
Include all costs for becoming compliant.
Be sure to include one time costs (e.g., buying additional seats) and any recurring costs (e.g., maintenance, back maintenance, reinstatement fees).
5. Educate management that software is licensed, not purchased.
6. Include information regarding the legal liability related to pirated software.
Include references to any cases you can find, including actual fines, as well as potential fines (caps).
Note the reputational risk to the company as well.
7. Prepare a plan for bringing the company into compliance.
Include possible stop-gap measures and alternatives (e.g., limiting the number of users with a specific pieces of software, buying one additional license per year, using OpenOffice).
8. Compile everything into a well-documented report/memo (depending on your company's preferred style), and be sure to present it personally (don't just email it off).
Offer to meet at another time, if necessary, but you must make it clear how important this is.
Offer to meet with the entire management team.
Communicate, communicate, communicate.
9. Let management know you don't plan on blowing the whistle (they'll surely say "nobody knows, so we're fine"), but make them aware that any disgruntled employee could make a call in to the piracy hotline.
If you have the intestinal fortitude to do so, you could even make it clear (if it reflects your beliefs) that you value your integrity and that you cannot, in good conscience, help the company steal software/violate contract terms.
Of course, that means you need to be ready to put up or shut up.
All that being well and good, you can take some practical steps to start getting things into compliance going forward: Commit to buying licenses for all new software requests.Keep good inventory records of hardware (and associated OEM software) and software.Start buying machines with appropriate OEM software (if small enough where volume licensing doesn't make sense), and consider buying shrink-wrap software on the same order (this might let the financial eggheads depreciate the entire purchase - IANATA)Adopt free software that is not limited to home/personal/educational use, like Comodo Internet Security and OpenOffice.Pray you don't get audited.Good points, making a comment so I have a reference to go back
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089154</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088996</id>
	<title>Track it yourself</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Track the licenses in a database. Delete all the illegal copies you find. Start filling out purchase orders when someone asks you for their software back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Track the licenses in a database .
Delete all the illegal copies you find .
Start filling out purchase orders when someone asks you for their software back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Track the licenses in a database.
Delete all the illegal copies you find.
Start filling out purchase orders when someone asks you for their software back.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091372</id>
	<title>Nothing YET...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258104600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah sit back and do what you are told till they either fire you, cut your position, force you to leave or deny you a pay raise. Then when the time is right report them with strong evidence to https://reporting.bsa.org.</p><p>Cheers!</p><p>Oh and make sure you have another job lined up before you do that. Burning bridges makes it harder to get another job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah sit back and do what you are told till they either fire you , cut your position , force you to leave or deny you a pay raise .
Then when the time is right report them with strong evidence to https : //reporting.bsa.org.Cheers ! Oh and make sure you have another job lined up before you do that .
Burning bridges makes it harder to get another job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah sit back and do what you are told till they either fire you, cut your position, force you to leave or deny you a pay raise.
Then when the time is right report them with strong evidence to https://reporting.bsa.org.Cheers!Oh and make sure you have another job lined up before you do that.
Burning bridges makes it harder to get another job.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091464</id>
	<title>Business Software Alliance Reward</title>
	<author>phantomcircuit</author>
	<datestamp>1258104960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Find new job, report old employer, get reward <a href="https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/rewardsconditions.aspx" title="bsa.org">https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/rewardsconditions.aspx</a> [bsa.org]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Find new job , report old employer , get reward https : //reporting.bsa.org/usa/rewardsconditions.aspx [ bsa.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Find new job, report old employer, get reward https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/rewardsconditions.aspx [bsa.org] .</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30095976</id>
	<title>I am in shock!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258193280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, software piracy requires moral indignation, blackmailing the offender, calling the authorities, and suggesting free alternatives.  While music and movie piracy is a god-given right because copyright is a broken system.  Have I gotten the general gist of things here correctly?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , software piracy requires moral indignation , blackmailing the offender , calling the authorities , and suggesting free alternatives .
While music and movie piracy is a god-given right because copyright is a broken system .
Have I gotten the general gist of things here correctly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, software piracy requires moral indignation, blackmailing the offender, calling the authorities, and suggesting free alternatives.
While music and movie piracy is a god-given right because copyright is a broken system.
Have I gotten the general gist of things here correctly?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088900</id>
	<title>My mom always said...</title>
	<author>eeth</author>
	<datestamp>1258137840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nobody likes a tattle-tale.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody likes a tattle-tale .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody likes a tattle-tale.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30093118</id>
	<title>Re:Your answer is at http://www.monster.com</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258114740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is along the lines of what I was thinking also -</p><p>Step 1. Perform a license audit across the company.<br>Step 2. Provide the CEO with a list of what is required to bring the company up to compliance ( Don't blame him, make sure he knows that your predecessor was at fault since they "lost" the licenses that they paid for "at some time" it's not the CEOs fault that they are not in compliance, wink wink... )<br>Step 3. Have an "Open Source" solution ready to go... Linux on desktops without Windows stickers. Open Office, etc.<br>Step 4. If he doesn't do either, then don't say anything. Don't threaten anything. Just quietly call the BSA and report them. When they raid, make sure you have the emails from Step 1 and Step 2 and Step 3. At that point you've done everything you can and it can't be blamed on the former IT guy or you either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is along the lines of what I was thinking also -Step 1 .
Perform a license audit across the company.Step 2 .
Provide the CEO with a list of what is required to bring the company up to compliance ( Do n't blame him , make sure he knows that your predecessor was at fault since they " lost " the licenses that they paid for " at some time " it 's not the CEOs fault that they are not in compliance , wink wink... ) Step 3 .
Have an " Open Source " solution ready to go... Linux on desktops without Windows stickers .
Open Office , etc.Step 4 .
If he does n't do either , then do n't say anything .
Do n't threaten anything .
Just quietly call the BSA and report them .
When they raid , make sure you have the emails from Step 1 and Step 2 and Step 3 .
At that point you 've done everything you can and it ca n't be blamed on the former IT guy or you either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is along the lines of what I was thinking also -Step 1.
Perform a license audit across the company.Step 2.
Provide the CEO with a list of what is required to bring the company up to compliance ( Don't blame him, make sure he knows that your predecessor was at fault since they "lost" the licenses that they paid for "at some time" it's not the CEOs fault that they are not in compliance, wink wink... )Step 3.
Have an "Open Source" solution ready to go... Linux on desktops without Windows stickers.
Open Office, etc.Step 4.
If he doesn't do either, then don't say anything.
Don't threaten anything.
Just quietly call the BSA and report them.
When they raid, make sure you have the emails from Step 1 and Step 2 and Step 3.
At that point you've done everything you can and it can't be blamed on the former IT guy or you either.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088546</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088938</id>
	<title>I'm getting an enourmous kick out of this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Suddenly piracy is a bad thing on slashdot?  What happened to all the arguments that copying software is not stealing? What happened to all the arguments that piracy is great for software companies?
I guess it's one of those things that's only bad when other people do it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Suddenly piracy is a bad thing on slashdot ?
What happened to all the arguments that copying software is not stealing ?
What happened to all the arguments that piracy is great for software companies ?
I guess it 's one of those things that 's only bad when other people do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suddenly piracy is a bad thing on slashdot?
What happened to all the arguments that copying software is not stealing?
What happened to all the arguments that piracy is great for software companies?
I guess it's one of those things that's only bad when other people do it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091052</id>
	<title>Re:My job used to be like this....</title>
	<author>FrigBot</author>
	<datestamp>1258103160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's basically what was done at my company. Originally the network was set up by my boss who used all pirated software. This isa small engineering company. But it's owned by a larger corpaorate parent, and this office is inside the main headquarters. Anyway, i ddin't even realize as an average user that everythjing was bogus until they hired a real IT guy who started diggin all this up. He took about 6 months but I think it's all legit now. Incidentally I'm not happy with openoffice, though I have nothing against it personally, and do miss having acrobat pro and the cad software this thing had before.</p><p>I was mad about all this and told my boss that he should have just paid for the stuipid MS licenses when setting up the computers, when business was booming. But now we're stuck with the current situation. I believe this goes on all the time, and especially in small engineering companies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's basically what was done at my company .
Originally the network was set up by my boss who used all pirated software .
This isa small engineering company .
But it 's owned by a larger corpaorate parent , and this office is inside the main headquarters .
Anyway , i ddi n't even realize as an average user that everythjing was bogus until they hired a real IT guy who started diggin all this up .
He took about 6 months but I think it 's all legit now .
Incidentally I 'm not happy with openoffice , though I have nothing against it personally , and do miss having acrobat pro and the cad software this thing had before.I was mad about all this and told my boss that he should have just paid for the stuipid MS licenses when setting up the computers , when business was booming .
But now we 're stuck with the current situation .
I believe this goes on all the time , and especially in small engineering companies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's basically what was done at my company.
Originally the network was set up by my boss who used all pirated software.
This isa small engineering company.
But it's owned by a larger corpaorate parent, and this office is inside the main headquarters.
Anyway, i ddin't even realize as an average user that everythjing was bogus until they hired a real IT guy who started diggin all this up.
He took about 6 months but I think it's all legit now.
Incidentally I'm not happy with openoffice, though I have nothing against it personally, and do miss having acrobat pro and the cad software this thing had before.I was mad about all this and told my boss that he should have just paid for the stuipid MS licenses when setting up the computers, when business was booming.
But now we're stuck with the current situation.
I believe this goes on all the time, and especially in small engineering companies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088846</id>
	<title>Business is business</title>
	<author>kentrel</author>
	<datestamp>1258137660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tell your boss that this is important, and that the company needs to pay for it, and you feel obligated to report it as you will be liable also. Then offer helpful suggestions as to who you can lay off in order to allocate money to pay for the software. Will it be friendly Bob, or the pregnant lady in the accounts department?

Alternatively you can just shut your mouth and get another job like everybody else said.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell your boss that this is important , and that the company needs to pay for it , and you feel obligated to report it as you will be liable also .
Then offer helpful suggestions as to who you can lay off in order to allocate money to pay for the software .
Will it be friendly Bob , or the pregnant lady in the accounts department ?
Alternatively you can just shut your mouth and get another job like everybody else said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell your boss that this is important, and that the company needs to pay for it, and you feel obligated to report it as you will be liable also.
Then offer helpful suggestions as to who you can lay off in order to allocate money to pay for the software.
Will it be friendly Bob, or the pregnant lady in the accounts department?
Alternatively you can just shut your mouth and get another job like everybody else said.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089230</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Medieval</author>
	<datestamp>1258139220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The built in zip handler in XP is crap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The built in zip handler in XP is crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The built in zip handler in XP is crap.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089268</id>
	<title>What should you do?</title>
	<author>d34dluk3</author>
	<datestamp>1258139340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Stop being a sanctimonious bitch about it.

If you make a personal decision not to pirate, that's cool. Running around trying to be everyone else's conscience, not so much.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop being a sanctimonious bitch about it .
If you make a personal decision not to pirate , that 's cool .
Running around trying to be everyone else 's conscience , not so much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop being a sanctimonious bitch about it.
If you make a personal decision not to pirate, that's cool.
Running around trying to be everyone else's conscience, not so much.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089152</id>
	<title>Be Proactive</title>
	<author>claykarmel</author>
	<datestamp>1258138920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Write a brief (1 to 2 page) plan for the CEO about how to 'better manage' licenses on company computers.  The plan should focus on incremental improvement (what to install on new computers, what to install when asked on existing computers).</p><p>Have the plan oriented to save money and reduce obligations of share ware.  Give a few options, but don't preach about software philosophy.</p><p>Advise the CEO, NOT IN WRITING, of some of your concerns for legacy computers, and show him that you're committed to continuous improvement in this area.  Remind him that the BSA wields a heavy hammer, and to be mindful of angry ex-employees who might take advantage.</p><p>CEO's like plans with no immediate funding requirement, low stress on the organization, and continuous improvement.  Write your plan assuming the BSA will eventually read it - that is, don't incriminate yourself or the company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Write a brief ( 1 to 2 page ) plan for the CEO about how to 'better manage ' licenses on company computers .
The plan should focus on incremental improvement ( what to install on new computers , what to install when asked on existing computers ) .Have the plan oriented to save money and reduce obligations of share ware .
Give a few options , but do n't preach about software philosophy.Advise the CEO , NOT IN WRITING , of some of your concerns for legacy computers , and show him that you 're committed to continuous improvement in this area .
Remind him that the BSA wields a heavy hammer , and to be mindful of angry ex-employees who might take advantage.CEO 's like plans with no immediate funding requirement , low stress on the organization , and continuous improvement .
Write your plan assuming the BSA will eventually read it - that is , do n't incriminate yourself or the company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Write a brief (1 to 2 page) plan for the CEO about how to 'better manage' licenses on company computers.
The plan should focus on incremental improvement (what to install on new computers, what to install when asked on existing computers).Have the plan oriented to save money and reduce obligations of share ware.
Give a few options, but don't preach about software philosophy.Advise the CEO, NOT IN WRITING, of some of your concerns for legacy computers, and show him that you're committed to continuous improvement in this area.
Remind him that the BSA wields a heavy hammer, and to be mindful of angry ex-employees who might take advantage.CEO's like plans with no immediate funding requirement, low stress on the organization, and continuous improvement.
Write your plan assuming the BSA will eventually read it - that is, don't incriminate yourself or the company.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089254</id>
	<title>Re:Piracy without guns and ships?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258139280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except the term piracy has been in common use for this purpose for a couple hundred years now, beginning with books, thus the rest of your comment is irrelevant (not that I disagree with it).</p><p>Whenever I see somebody comment on the use of the term piracy relating to copyrighted works this is what I see: "LOL!  This word means two things, I am so clever!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except the term piracy has been in common use for this purpose for a couple hundred years now , beginning with books , thus the rest of your comment is irrelevant ( not that I disagree with it ) .Whenever I see somebody comment on the use of the term piracy relating to copyrighted works this is what I see : " LOL !
This word means two things , I am so clever !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except the term piracy has been in common use for this purpose for a couple hundred years now, beginning with books, thus the rest of your comment is irrelevant (not that I disagree with it).Whenever I see somebody comment on the use of the term piracy relating to copyrighted works this is what I see: "LOL!
This word means two things, I am so clever!
"</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30094138</id>
	<title>CYA.</title>
	<author>Ritchie70</author>
	<datestamp>1258122720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Write something - whatever is typical in your workplace - to your direct supervisor about this issue.</p><p>Explain the possible financial (and criminal, if any, I have no idea) repercussions.</p><p>Ask permission to gather software utilization statistics and determine a cost to put things right. Don't run off and take inventory of installed software, and don't work up a price at this point.</p><p>Save a copy for yourself.</p><p>And get on with doing what you're told.</p><p>If you don't like what you're being told to do, find another job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Write something - whatever is typical in your workplace - to your direct supervisor about this issue.Explain the possible financial ( and criminal , if any , I have no idea ) repercussions.Ask permission to gather software utilization statistics and determine a cost to put things right .
Do n't run off and take inventory of installed software , and do n't work up a price at this point.Save a copy for yourself.And get on with doing what you 're told.If you do n't like what you 're being told to do , find another job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Write something - whatever is typical in your workplace - to your direct supervisor about this issue.Explain the possible financial (and criminal, if any, I have no idea) repercussions.Ask permission to gather software utilization statistics and determine a cost to put things right.
Don't run off and take inventory of installed software, and don't work up a price at this point.Save a copy for yourself.And get on with doing what you're told.If you don't like what you're being told to do, find another job.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089028</id>
	<title>Re:Common cause of termination in bad startups</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1258138380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I actually don't think it's as simple as that.</p><p>As soon as you go outside the relatively mainstream and/or "sexy" problems, F/OSS ceases to be a panacea.  It's often hard to find something appropriate and when you do you'll have to pay someone who really knows what they're doing to get everything working nicely together.   And industry-specific software is invariably an arm and a leg to license.</p><p>There is a reason that hosted apps are becoming popular.  Take a typical costing example, &pound;20/user/month, no need to pay anyone to set anything up, no need to pay expensive licensing fees upfront, no need to buy a server and find somewhere to put it?   Money talks, and when it's a choice between that or find the barrier to getting your small business off the ground is unrealistically high it talks pretty damn loudly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually do n't think it 's as simple as that.As soon as you go outside the relatively mainstream and/or " sexy " problems , F/OSS ceases to be a panacea .
It 's often hard to find something appropriate and when you do you 'll have to pay someone who really knows what they 're doing to get everything working nicely together .
And industry-specific software is invariably an arm and a leg to license.There is a reason that hosted apps are becoming popular .
Take a typical costing example ,   20/user/month , no need to pay anyone to set anything up , no need to pay expensive licensing fees upfront , no need to buy a server and find somewhere to put it ?
Money talks , and when it 's a choice between that or find the barrier to getting your small business off the ground is unrealistically high it talks pretty damn loudly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually don't think it's as simple as that.As soon as you go outside the relatively mainstream and/or "sexy" problems, F/OSS ceases to be a panacea.
It's often hard to find something appropriate and when you do you'll have to pay someone who really knows what they're doing to get everything working nicely together.
And industry-specific software is invariably an arm and a leg to license.There is a reason that hosted apps are becoming popular.
Take a typical costing example, £20/user/month, no need to pay anyone to set anything up, no need to pay expensive licensing fees upfront, no need to buy a server and find somewhere to put it?
Money talks, and when it's a choice between that or find the barrier to getting your small business off the ground is unrealistically high it talks pretty damn loudly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088752</id>
	<title>AVG not a free for all.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258137300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AVG is only for home use - even educational institutions have to buy it.</p><p>Will you get fired for non installing illegal software?  Probably not.</p><p>Only install legit software or you are complicit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AVG is only for home use - even educational institutions have to buy it.Will you get fired for non installing illegal software ?
Probably not.Only install legit software or you are complicit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AVG is only for home use - even educational institutions have to buy it.Will you get fired for non installing illegal software?
Probably not.Only install legit software or you are complicit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090360</id>
	<title>Get it in writing</title>
	<author>Lemming Mark</author>
	<datestamp>1258143240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd suggest you try to make sure you have written records that you raised this with your bosses (and preferably of the content of their responses too).</p><p>You could do this subtly by, say, raising it via e-mail or memo.  If you have to talk to them in person, you can still consider writing an acknowledgement e-mail, along the lines of "Dear , Thank you for the discussion about SOFTWARE LICENSING, on the basis of your instructions I intend to take forward the following actions  but understand that the existing software is licensed correctly".  Print the e-mail out.  That way at least they can't deny that the discussion took place, so if the BSA raid your place you can attempt to demonstrate you tried your best on this issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd suggest you try to make sure you have written records that you raised this with your bosses ( and preferably of the content of their responses too ) .You could do this subtly by , say , raising it via e-mail or memo .
If you have to talk to them in person , you can still consider writing an acknowledgement e-mail , along the lines of " Dear , Thank you for the discussion about SOFTWARE LICENSING , on the basis of your instructions I intend to take forward the following actions but understand that the existing software is licensed correctly " .
Print the e-mail out .
That way at least they ca n't deny that the discussion took place , so if the BSA raid your place you can attempt to demonstrate you tried your best on this issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd suggest you try to make sure you have written records that you raised this with your bosses (and preferably of the content of their responses too).You could do this subtly by, say, raising it via e-mail or memo.
If you have to talk to them in person, you can still consider writing an acknowledgement e-mail, along the lines of "Dear , Thank you for the discussion about SOFTWARE LICENSING, on the basis of your instructions I intend to take forward the following actions  but understand that the existing software is licensed correctly".
Print the e-mail out.
That way at least they can't deny that the discussion took place, so if the BSA raid your place you can attempt to demonstrate you tried your best on this issue.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30096582</id>
	<title>I've been down this road...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258204500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been down this road.  I took a middle of the road approach and kept reminding my direct manager about the issue.  The development manager had been through a BSA audit at another company and convinced upper management they had a problem, so we made some changes. In the end it didn't matter, the CEO legally took the bulk of the money and we went bankrupt.  My advise, find another job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been down this road .
I took a middle of the road approach and kept reminding my direct manager about the issue .
The development manager had been through a BSA audit at another company and convinced upper management they had a problem , so we made some changes .
In the end it did n't matter , the CEO legally took the bulk of the money and we went bankrupt .
My advise , find another job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been down this road.
I took a middle of the road approach and kept reminding my direct manager about the issue.
The development manager had been through a BSA audit at another company and convinced upper management they had a problem, so we made some changes.
In the end it didn't matter, the CEO legally took the bulk of the money and we went bankrupt.
My advise, find another job.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30095510</id>
	<title>Join The Pirate Party?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258141380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Joining the Pirate Party and fighting for the human rights to share knowledge would be a good idea.</p><p>Corporations hypocrisy proves that the laws of mathematics and physics can not be violated.</p><p>consult EFF and Doctorov or Lessig, they will understand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Joining the Pirate Party and fighting for the human rights to share knowledge would be a good idea.Corporations hypocrisy proves that the laws of mathematics and physics can not be violated.consult EFF and Doctorov or Lessig , they will understand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Joining the Pirate Party and fighting for the human rights to share knowledge would be a good idea.Corporations hypocrisy proves that the laws of mathematics and physics can not be violated.consult EFF and Doctorov or Lessig, they will understand.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089162</id>
	<title>Tell the name of the company...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll take care of it for you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll take care of it for you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll take care of it for you!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090256</id>
	<title>Re:Different Approach</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258143000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The merit in this approach is the tact.  I think it's brilliant.  No one gets accused, your conscience is eased, and your company stops breaking the law.  Good stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The merit in this approach is the tact .
I think it 's brilliant .
No one gets accused , your conscience is eased , and your company stops breaking the law .
Good stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The merit in this approach is the tact.
I think it's brilliant.
No one gets accused, your conscience is eased, and your company stops breaking the law.
Good stuff.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088598</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089000</id>
	<title>You are what you do...</title>
	<author>eepok</author>
	<datestamp>1258138260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not talking about your job. I'm talking about the decisions you make. If you do something illegal, you're a criminal. There are various levels of "criminal", but you're a criminal nonetheless. Even deeper than that, if you do something you know to be unethical, then you are unethical. Is that how you want to describe yourself... if even only to yourself?
<br> <br>
Here's what I would do: Install the software once and voice your concerns. If you get fired, you have a rock-solid case. If they ask "Why'd you install it in the first place?" you respond, "I was under duress and the first thing I think about is supporting my family. After further thought, I'd rather be a family man who refuses to compromise his ethics and morals even if it means I'd be let go than one who hasn't any worth standing up for."
<br> <br>
I'm not saying it's easy to do, think about which person you'd rather be.
<br> <br>
On a related topic, businesses really need to embrace freeware. Open Office, Thunderbird, 7-zip, and the like would save massive amounts of money on licensing. Of course, some IT depts are too swamped with work to become sufficiently adept with the new software so that they feel comfortable distributing it around the network. For example: my IT department will not allow Firefox to be installed because the last report they were able to create (around version 1.0)  showed Firefox as being HIPAA non-compliant. It has, however, been HIPAA compliant since, like, 1.0001.
<br> <br>
One department finally junked Eudora and is adopting Thunderbird as their default mail client instead of Outlook. That's expected to save quite a bit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not talking about your job .
I 'm talking about the decisions you make .
If you do something illegal , you 're a criminal .
There are various levels of " criminal " , but you 're a criminal nonetheless .
Even deeper than that , if you do something you know to be unethical , then you are unethical .
Is that how you want to describe yourself... if even only to yourself ?
Here 's what I would do : Install the software once and voice your concerns .
If you get fired , you have a rock-solid case .
If they ask " Why 'd you install it in the first place ?
" you respond , " I was under duress and the first thing I think about is supporting my family .
After further thought , I 'd rather be a family man who refuses to compromise his ethics and morals even if it means I 'd be let go than one who has n't any worth standing up for .
" I 'm not saying it 's easy to do , think about which person you 'd rather be .
On a related topic , businesses really need to embrace freeware .
Open Office , Thunderbird , 7-zip , and the like would save massive amounts of money on licensing .
Of course , some IT depts are too swamped with work to become sufficiently adept with the new software so that they feel comfortable distributing it around the network .
For example : my IT department will not allow Firefox to be installed because the last report they were able to create ( around version 1.0 ) showed Firefox as being HIPAA non-compliant .
It has , however , been HIPAA compliant since , like , 1.0001 .
One department finally junked Eudora and is adopting Thunderbird as their default mail client instead of Outlook .
That 's expected to save quite a bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not talking about your job.
I'm talking about the decisions you make.
If you do something illegal, you're a criminal.
There are various levels of "criminal", but you're a criminal nonetheless.
Even deeper than that, if you do something you know to be unethical, then you are unethical.
Is that how you want to describe yourself... if even only to yourself?
Here's what I would do: Install the software once and voice your concerns.
If you get fired, you have a rock-solid case.
If they ask "Why'd you install it in the first place?
" you respond, "I was under duress and the first thing I think about is supporting my family.
After further thought, I'd rather be a family man who refuses to compromise his ethics and morals even if it means I'd be let go than one who hasn't any worth standing up for.
"
 
I'm not saying it's easy to do, think about which person you'd rather be.
On a related topic, businesses really need to embrace freeware.
Open Office, Thunderbird, 7-zip, and the like would save massive amounts of money on licensing.
Of course, some IT depts are too swamped with work to become sufficiently adept with the new software so that they feel comfortable distributing it around the network.
For example: my IT department will not allow Firefox to be installed because the last report they were able to create (around version 1.0)  showed Firefox as being HIPAA non-compliant.
It has, however, been HIPAA compliant since, like, 1.0001.
One department finally junked Eudora and is adopting Thunderbird as their default mail client instead of Outlook.
That's expected to save quite a bit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090174</id>
	<title>Re:Welcome to the real world</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258142580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Very well said</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Very well said</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very well said</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089192</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089412</id>
	<title>Pretty obvious, when you think about it</title>
	<author>Xenophon Fenderson,</author>
	<datestamp>1258139760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an I.T. worker and as an employee, you have a moral duty (if not a fiduciary one) to your employer and to your fellow employees to protect them from legal or other threats to the organization.  Part of that duty entails things like doing your job competently, avoiding security risks (like propping doors open or not locking your workstation), and so forth.  Regardless of the direction from your management, you would be acting negligently if you did not confirm software licensing status to your satisfaction before deploying said software.  You can and should say something like, "I can't install this version of Office because it is clearly unlicensed - you can find the CD key on Google."  Or: "I need the original media to install this program."</p><p>It gets more complicated when your employer uses software subscriptions or some internal software deployment mechanism instead of retail purchases installed by hand.  You should still verify compliance as best you can, given that you may not have access to the official digital distribution site, license key list, or subscription terms.</p><p>Business people think in terms of risk, so if they require you to justify your actions (because they see you as being obstructionist instead of dutiful), you need to be ready with compliance costs versus potential infringement judgment/settlement costs along.  I'm sure BSA has suitably terrifying numbers on their web site.  Some managers refuse to see reason because they are incompetent (they don't understand the software license terms) or unethical (they are willfully violating the licenses), which should indicate to you that you need to find new employment.  Companies with bad management aren't a good place to work and may not last very long, and in today's economy, you need a lot of time to look for a new job.  I think that it's better to start your search while you still have a paycheck and medical insurance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an I.T .
worker and as an employee , you have a moral duty ( if not a fiduciary one ) to your employer and to your fellow employees to protect them from legal or other threats to the organization .
Part of that duty entails things like doing your job competently , avoiding security risks ( like propping doors open or not locking your workstation ) , and so forth .
Regardless of the direction from your management , you would be acting negligently if you did not confirm software licensing status to your satisfaction before deploying said software .
You can and should say something like , " I ca n't install this version of Office because it is clearly unlicensed - you can find the CD key on Google .
" Or : " I need the original media to install this program .
" It gets more complicated when your employer uses software subscriptions or some internal software deployment mechanism instead of retail purchases installed by hand .
You should still verify compliance as best you can , given that you may not have access to the official digital distribution site , license key list , or subscription terms.Business people think in terms of risk , so if they require you to justify your actions ( because they see you as being obstructionist instead of dutiful ) , you need to be ready with compliance costs versus potential infringement judgment/settlement costs along .
I 'm sure BSA has suitably terrifying numbers on their web site .
Some managers refuse to see reason because they are incompetent ( they do n't understand the software license terms ) or unethical ( they are willfully violating the licenses ) , which should indicate to you that you need to find new employment .
Companies with bad management are n't a good place to work and may not last very long , and in today 's economy , you need a lot of time to look for a new job .
I think that it 's better to start your search while you still have a paycheck and medical insurance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an I.T.
worker and as an employee, you have a moral duty (if not a fiduciary one) to your employer and to your fellow employees to protect them from legal or other threats to the organization.
Part of that duty entails things like doing your job competently, avoiding security risks (like propping doors open or not locking your workstation), and so forth.
Regardless of the direction from your management, you would be acting negligently if you did not confirm software licensing status to your satisfaction before deploying said software.
You can and should say something like, "I can't install this version of Office because it is clearly unlicensed - you can find the CD key on Google.
"  Or: "I need the original media to install this program.
"It gets more complicated when your employer uses software subscriptions or some internal software deployment mechanism instead of retail purchases installed by hand.
You should still verify compliance as best you can, given that you may not have access to the official digital distribution site, license key list, or subscription terms.Business people think in terms of risk, so if they require you to justify your actions (because they see you as being obstructionist instead of dutiful), you need to be ready with compliance costs versus potential infringement judgment/settlement costs along.
I'm sure BSA has suitably terrifying numbers on their web site.
Some managers refuse to see reason because they are incompetent (they don't understand the software license terms) or unethical (they are willfully violating the licenses), which should indicate to you that you need to find new employment.
Companies with bad management aren't a good place to work and may not last very long, and in today's economy, you need a lot of time to look for a new job.
I think that it's better to start your search while you still have a paycheck and medical insurance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090850</id>
	<title>Re:Common cause of termination in bad startups</title>
	<author>Quantumstate</author>
	<datestamp>1258145580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Surely they have a pretty solid case for unfair dismissal, I would imagine the company would settle out of court rather than have the facts exposed and face a hefty fine for both things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely they have a pretty solid case for unfair dismissal , I would imagine the company would settle out of court rather than have the facts exposed and face a hefty fine for both things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely they have a pretty solid case for unfair dismissal, I would imagine the company would settle out of court rather than have the facts exposed and face a hefty fine for both things.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088710</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090104</id>
	<title>Don't Copy That Floppy!</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1258142340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI</a> [youtube.com]</p><p>That is a must-watch video.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = up863eQKGUI [ youtube.com ] That is a must-watch video .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI [youtube.com]That is a must-watch video.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30092258</id>
	<title>THE Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258109220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I QUIT! I quit on my one year anniversary. I wrangled myself into a 4 hrs per day contract for 4 months as a trainer. They paid me out at 3 months.  Best move ever.</p><p>Although to be honest the software piracy was a minor factor in the decision to quit... they were daily screwing over their own workers. I was instructed to alter timesheets and cut valid worked time on a regular basis from half an hour to almost two hours. I'd argue but I would do it. And then I'd fix it after. Never got caught. At one branch there were 900 'grunt' user accounts on the SCO (got I hate admining SCO) server over a 4 year period for a daily average of 20 'grunt' workers on the floor. And since these accounts would be reused, that turns out to be more than 1 person let go per day.  Upward mobility in the company was determined by a willingness to adopt certain principles. I'm amazed I was promoted as far as I was.</p><p>My only FOSS success (out of many attempts) at that company was PuTTY over a very expired piece of shareware. Subtle changes in appearances (a yellow telephone icon) got me yelled at from a manager who spends most of her day hiding in her office writing erotica....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I QUIT !
I quit on my one year anniversary .
I wrangled myself into a 4 hrs per day contract for 4 months as a trainer .
They paid me out at 3 months .
Best move ever.Although to be honest the software piracy was a minor factor in the decision to quit... they were daily screwing over their own workers .
I was instructed to alter timesheets and cut valid worked time on a regular basis from half an hour to almost two hours .
I 'd argue but I would do it .
And then I 'd fix it after .
Never got caught .
At one branch there were 900 'grunt ' user accounts on the SCO ( got I hate admining SCO ) server over a 4 year period for a daily average of 20 'grunt ' workers on the floor .
And since these accounts would be reused , that turns out to be more than 1 person let go per day .
Upward mobility in the company was determined by a willingness to adopt certain principles .
I 'm amazed I was promoted as far as I was.My only FOSS success ( out of many attempts ) at that company was PuTTY over a very expired piece of shareware .
Subtle changes in appearances ( a yellow telephone icon ) got me yelled at from a manager who spends most of her day hiding in her office writing erotica... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I QUIT!
I quit on my one year anniversary.
I wrangled myself into a 4 hrs per day contract for 4 months as a trainer.
They paid me out at 3 months.
Best move ever.Although to be honest the software piracy was a minor factor in the decision to quit... they were daily screwing over their own workers.
I was instructed to alter timesheets and cut valid worked time on a regular basis from half an hour to almost two hours.
I'd argue but I would do it.
And then I'd fix it after.
Never got caught.
At one branch there were 900 'grunt' user accounts on the SCO (got I hate admining SCO) server over a 4 year period for a daily average of 20 'grunt' workers on the floor.
And since these accounts would be reused, that turns out to be more than 1 person let go per day.
Upward mobility in the company was determined by a willingness to adopt certain principles.
I'm amazed I was promoted as far as I was.My only FOSS success (out of many attempts) at that company was PuTTY over a very expired piece of shareware.
Subtle changes in appearances (a yellow telephone icon) got me yelled at from a manager who spends most of her day hiding in her office writing erotica....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088942</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>PDFCreator is free and OSS. It can make PDFs. Most people just need to make them, not 'edit' them.</p></div><p>If you do need to annotate them then <a href="http://xournal.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">Xournal</a> [sourceforge.net] works fairly well.  I often use it to fill out PDF rebate forms and such before printing them.</p><p>True PDF editing software is hard to come by.  <a href="http://www.inkscape.org/" title="inkscape.org" rel="nofollow">Inkscape</a> [inkscape.org] can sometimes make a PDF editable but it's hit-or-miss depending on the content.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>PDFCreator is free and OSS .
It can make PDFs .
Most people just need to make them , not 'edit ' them.If you do need to annotate them then Xournal [ sourceforge.net ] works fairly well .
I often use it to fill out PDF rebate forms and such before printing them.True PDF editing software is hard to come by .
Inkscape [ inkscape.org ] can sometimes make a PDF editable but it 's hit-or-miss depending on the content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PDFCreator is free and OSS.
It can make PDFs.
Most people just need to make them, not 'edit' them.If you do need to annotate them then Xournal [sourceforge.net] works fairly well.
I often use it to fill out PDF rebate forms and such before printing them.True PDF editing software is hard to come by.
Inkscape [inkscape.org] can sometimes make a PDF editable but it's hit-or-miss depending on the content.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088564</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088726</id>
	<title>Happens all the time</title>
	<author>eln</author>
	<datestamp>1258137180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/03/181226" title="slashdot.org">Asked</a> [slashdot.org] and <a href="http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=233339&amp;cid=18979245" title="slashdot.org">answered</a> [slashdot.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Asked [ slashdot.org ] and answered [ slashdot.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Asked [slashdot.org] and answered [slashdot.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089930</id>
	<title>Re:Welcome to the real world</title>
	<author>wynler</author>
	<datestamp>1258141680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>Take for example two small companies (Alpha and Beta) of similar size both offering similar services in a community.&nbsp; Alpha has made an effort to be compliant in their licensing, the Beta has not.&nbsp; Since Beta has not spent the time and money to comply with licensing, it is able to provide it's services at lesser cost than Alpha.&nbsp; Alpha loses customers to Beta.<br><br>It's not just BSA and Microsoft that loses out on such a scenario.&nbsp; </tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>Take for example two small companies ( Alpha and Beta ) of similar size both offering similar services in a community.   Alpha has made an effort to be compliant in their licensing , the Beta has not.   Since Beta has not spent the time and money to comply with licensing , it is able to provide it 's services at lesser cost than Alpha.   Alpha loses customers to Beta.It 's not just BSA and Microsoft that loses out on such a scenario.  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take for example two small companies (Alpha and Beta) of similar size both offering similar services in a community.  Alpha has made an effort to be compliant in their licensing, the Beta has not.  Since Beta has not spent the time and money to comply with licensing, it is able to provide it's services at lesser cost than Alpha.  Alpha loses customers to Beta.It's not just BSA and Microsoft that loses out on such a scenario.  </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089192</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088850</id>
	<title>Copyright Infringement != Piracy</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1258137720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't play their game.</p><p>Piracy is ship to ship armed robbery.  Unless this company is boarding a ship full of software with cutlasses drawn... it isn't piracy.  Calling infringement piracy makes it seem worse than it is and makes light of what is happening off the coast of Africa.</p><p>Cue the descriptivists....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't play their game.Piracy is ship to ship armed robbery .
Unless this company is boarding a ship full of software with cutlasses drawn... it is n't piracy .
Calling infringement piracy makes it seem worse than it is and makes light of what is happening off the coast of Africa.Cue the descriptivists... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't play their game.Piracy is ship to ship armed robbery.
Unless this company is boarding a ship full of software with cutlasses drawn... it isn't piracy.
Calling infringement piracy makes it seem worse than it is and makes light of what is happening off the coast of Africa.Cue the descriptivists....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089356</id>
	<title>Make an attempt</title>
	<author>m509272</author>
	<datestamp>1258139520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make an attempt to switch them over to free for commercial use products as mentioned (e.g. 7-Zip, whatever free PDF software).  That might get them into the mood to switch over to more FOSS or pay for licenses once it's shown to be a success.  Then ask "what should we do with the remainder of the license issues" that they are more hesitant to switch from (e.g. Office) pointing out that a disgruntled employee or ex-employee could turn them in for a bounty.  You want to appear that you are helping them to avoid a potentially huge fine.  They will either go along with it or possibly fire you.  If they fire you drop a dime and collect additional unemployment benefits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make an attempt to switch them over to free for commercial use products as mentioned ( e.g .
7-Zip , whatever free PDF software ) .
That might get them into the mood to switch over to more FOSS or pay for licenses once it 's shown to be a success .
Then ask " what should we do with the remainder of the license issues " that they are more hesitant to switch from ( e.g .
Office ) pointing out that a disgruntled employee or ex-employee could turn them in for a bounty .
You want to appear that you are helping them to avoid a potentially huge fine .
They will either go along with it or possibly fire you .
If they fire you drop a dime and collect additional unemployment benefits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make an attempt to switch them over to free for commercial use products as mentioned (e.g.
7-Zip, whatever free PDF software).
That might get them into the mood to switch over to more FOSS or pay for licenses once it's shown to be a success.
Then ask "what should we do with the remainder of the license issues" that they are more hesitant to switch from (e.g.
Office) pointing out that a disgruntled employee or ex-employee could turn them in for a bounty.
You want to appear that you are helping them to avoid a potentially huge fine.
They will either go along with it or possibly fire you.
If they fire you drop a dime and collect additional unemployment benefits.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090080</id>
	<title>Write it down...</title>
	<author>FellowConspirator</author>
	<datestamp>1258142280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a certain amount of liability in using non-freeware. Even if you purchased a license for the software, without proof you're in for a world of hurt if anyone makes an issue of it (and, Business Software Alliance members like Microsoft do periodically audit licensees and companies they reserve tips about). An audit is a pain in the butt, but the cost in responding if you don't have the information can be pretty rough. And, if it turns out they want to make a case of it, keep in mind there's a $200,000 fine and possible jail time for any willful violation (if it gets as far as court).</p><p>If you want to indemnify yourself, the first order of business is to write an e-mail to the senior management (and legal, if you have a legal department) simply stating that you are reviewing the software license compliance and find that the documentation is lacking. Point out that the licensors due reserve the right to audit the company, and there's ample precedence for them doing so to small and medium-sized businesses. Note that failure to document compliance properly is a potential liability.</p><p>Wait for a response. If they tell you not to worry about it, then you need to decide whether you need to report suspected piracy to the BSA or vendor, or whether you'll sit tight. Chances are pretty good that you won't get audited, but if you do, you're going to probably be partially responsible. If you report to BSA - they won't tell your company why they are knocking at the door, but your boss is likely to have his/her suspicions.</p><p>From the CEO's point of view, there's a cost/benefit to consider. Compliance comes at a cost. Non-compliance has a potential cost which could be much higher, but the probability of that cost occurring is low. If the cost of non-compliance times the probability of getting caught is lower than the cost of compliance, then non-compliance is a lower risk/cost. For a company that has a mandate to be profitable, compliance with laws and regulations only makes sense if the cost of compliance is cheaper than the cost of non-compliance.</p><p>Personally, I'd sell my company up the river if I thought the blood-letting would be reasonably contained to the management responsible. If I felt that it would kill the company and endanger innocent people's jobs, I'd look for a new place to work becuase I'd recognize that my job was only going to last until someone becomes disgruntled and reports the company out of spite (which is how BSA usually gets most small to medium-sized businesses).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a certain amount of liability in using non-freeware .
Even if you purchased a license for the software , without proof you 're in for a world of hurt if anyone makes an issue of it ( and , Business Software Alliance members like Microsoft do periodically audit licensees and companies they reserve tips about ) .
An audit is a pain in the butt , but the cost in responding if you do n't have the information can be pretty rough .
And , if it turns out they want to make a case of it , keep in mind there 's a $ 200,000 fine and possible jail time for any willful violation ( if it gets as far as court ) .If you want to indemnify yourself , the first order of business is to write an e-mail to the senior management ( and legal , if you have a legal department ) simply stating that you are reviewing the software license compliance and find that the documentation is lacking .
Point out that the licensors due reserve the right to audit the company , and there 's ample precedence for them doing so to small and medium-sized businesses .
Note that failure to document compliance properly is a potential liability.Wait for a response .
If they tell you not to worry about it , then you need to decide whether you need to report suspected piracy to the BSA or vendor , or whether you 'll sit tight .
Chances are pretty good that you wo n't get audited , but if you do , you 're going to probably be partially responsible .
If you report to BSA - they wo n't tell your company why they are knocking at the door , but your boss is likely to have his/her suspicions.From the CEO 's point of view , there 's a cost/benefit to consider .
Compliance comes at a cost .
Non-compliance has a potential cost which could be much higher , but the probability of that cost occurring is low .
If the cost of non-compliance times the probability of getting caught is lower than the cost of compliance , then non-compliance is a lower risk/cost .
For a company that has a mandate to be profitable , compliance with laws and regulations only makes sense if the cost of compliance is cheaper than the cost of non-compliance.Personally , I 'd sell my company up the river if I thought the blood-letting would be reasonably contained to the management responsible .
If I felt that it would kill the company and endanger innocent people 's jobs , I 'd look for a new place to work becuase I 'd recognize that my job was only going to last until someone becomes disgruntled and reports the company out of spite ( which is how BSA usually gets most small to medium-sized businesses ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a certain amount of liability in using non-freeware.
Even if you purchased a license for the software, without proof you're in for a world of hurt if anyone makes an issue of it (and, Business Software Alliance members like Microsoft do periodically audit licensees and companies they reserve tips about).
An audit is a pain in the butt, but the cost in responding if you don't have the information can be pretty rough.
And, if it turns out they want to make a case of it, keep in mind there's a $200,000 fine and possible jail time for any willful violation (if it gets as far as court).If you want to indemnify yourself, the first order of business is to write an e-mail to the senior management (and legal, if you have a legal department) simply stating that you are reviewing the software license compliance and find that the documentation is lacking.
Point out that the licensors due reserve the right to audit the company, and there's ample precedence for them doing so to small and medium-sized businesses.
Note that failure to document compliance properly is a potential liability.Wait for a response.
If they tell you not to worry about it, then you need to decide whether you need to report suspected piracy to the BSA or vendor, or whether you'll sit tight.
Chances are pretty good that you won't get audited, but if you do, you're going to probably be partially responsible.
If you report to BSA - they won't tell your company why they are knocking at the door, but your boss is likely to have his/her suspicions.From the CEO's point of view, there's a cost/benefit to consider.
Compliance comes at a cost.
Non-compliance has a potential cost which could be much higher, but the probability of that cost occurring is low.
If the cost of non-compliance times the probability of getting caught is lower than the cost of compliance, then non-compliance is a lower risk/cost.
For a company that has a mandate to be profitable, compliance with laws and regulations only makes sense if the cost of compliance is cheaper than the cost of non-compliance.Personally, I'd sell my company up the river if I thought the blood-letting would be reasonably contained to the management responsible.
If I felt that it would kill the company and endanger innocent people's jobs, I'd look for a new place to work becuase I'd recognize that my job was only going to last until someone becomes disgruntled and reports the company out of spite (which is how BSA usually gets most small to medium-sized businesses).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088712</id>
	<title>My job used to be like this....</title>
	<author>ajlisows</author>
	<datestamp>1258137060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a sysadm/web developer for a smallish manufacturing business.  When I got here, there licensing was a complete and utter mess.  They had about half the number of Office licenses as needed (And half of those were Home/Student Edition), they had a centralized AV solution that they were still getting updates for but hadn't paid for in three years, and just overall were NOT compliant.</p><p>I brought it to the company president's attention.  Buying 40 Office licenses at a time (Probably around $10000 for Small Business) as well as 70-80 AV subscriptions (Maybe another $2000), and various other server and client software (Around $12,000 more) was not something they wanted to do.  They did agree to take it slow and get legit over a period of time.  During that period, I did install Office on more machines but they bought the licenses over a period of 18 months.  In the end, I am happy to say we are nearly 100\% compliant.</p><p>So I guess instead of going to him with a HUGE bill, maybe write up a plan to go legit over the next year or two.  They may balk at a one time large sum of money but be willing to pay $1000 here, $2000 there or something.  Worked for me.  If the company is too cheap to even do that, you probably aren't going to you as an employee and are probably better off starting to look around....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a sysadm/web developer for a smallish manufacturing business .
When I got here , there licensing was a complete and utter mess .
They had about half the number of Office licenses as needed ( And half of those were Home/Student Edition ) , they had a centralized AV solution that they were still getting updates for but had n't paid for in three years , and just overall were NOT compliant.I brought it to the company president 's attention .
Buying 40 Office licenses at a time ( Probably around $ 10000 for Small Business ) as well as 70-80 AV subscriptions ( Maybe another $ 2000 ) , and various other server and client software ( Around $ 12,000 more ) was not something they wanted to do .
They did agree to take it slow and get legit over a period of time .
During that period , I did install Office on more machines but they bought the licenses over a period of 18 months .
In the end , I am happy to say we are nearly 100 \ % compliant.So I guess instead of going to him with a HUGE bill , maybe write up a plan to go legit over the next year or two .
They may balk at a one time large sum of money but be willing to pay $ 1000 here , $ 2000 there or something .
Worked for me .
If the company is too cheap to even do that , you probably are n't going to you as an employee and are probably better off starting to look around... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a sysadm/web developer for a smallish manufacturing business.
When I got here, there licensing was a complete and utter mess.
They had about half the number of Office licenses as needed (And half of those were Home/Student Edition), they had a centralized AV solution that they were still getting updates for but hadn't paid for in three years, and just overall were NOT compliant.I brought it to the company president's attention.
Buying 40 Office licenses at a time (Probably around $10000 for Small Business) as well as 70-80 AV subscriptions (Maybe another $2000), and various other server and client software (Around $12,000 more) was not something they wanted to do.
They did agree to take it slow and get legit over a period of time.
During that period, I did install Office on more machines but they bought the licenses over a period of 18 months.
In the end, I am happy to say we are nearly 100\% compliant.So I guess instead of going to him with a HUGE bill, maybe write up a plan to go legit over the next year or two.
They may balk at a one time large sum of money but be willing to pay $1000 here, $2000 there or something.
Worked for me.
If the company is too cheap to even do that, you probably aren't going to you as an employee and are probably better off starting to look around....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089272</id>
	<title>It depends on your job function...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258139340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What you SHOULD have done I think depends on what your job function is. If you are paid to be responsible for licensing issues, then yes, you should bring it up. If you are not, then you shouldn't... A regular employee shouldn't be spending their work time nosing around the issue of compliance. Imagine instead if an "I care a lot about strict building codes" software developer or secretary were looking around/inside cube partitions and discovers that the wiring is done slightly incorrectly, but not harmfully, but if directly shown to the city building inspector would force a costly change. The employee would likely be canned or shunned for sharing what amounts to an equivalent concern to the software licensing. You can debate whether the two are "equivalent" (i.e. you might think pirating software is worse than a slight building code violation), but the company/manager's opinion of the question of importance is what matters. They may likely see you as being just as bad as the person complaining about a slight building code violation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What you SHOULD have done I think depends on what your job function is .
If you are paid to be responsible for licensing issues , then yes , you should bring it up .
If you are not , then you should n't... A regular employee should n't be spending their work time nosing around the issue of compliance .
Imagine instead if an " I care a lot about strict building codes " software developer or secretary were looking around/inside cube partitions and discovers that the wiring is done slightly incorrectly , but not harmfully , but if directly shown to the city building inspector would force a costly change .
The employee would likely be canned or shunned for sharing what amounts to an equivalent concern to the software licensing .
You can debate whether the two are " equivalent " ( i.e .
you might think pirating software is worse than a slight building code violation ) , but the company/manager 's opinion of the question of importance is what matters .
They may likely see you as being just as bad as the person complaining about a slight building code violation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you SHOULD have done I think depends on what your job function is.
If you are paid to be responsible for licensing issues, then yes, you should bring it up.
If you are not, then you shouldn't... A regular employee shouldn't be spending their work time nosing around the issue of compliance.
Imagine instead if an "I care a lot about strict building codes" software developer or secretary were looking around/inside cube partitions and discovers that the wiring is done slightly incorrectly, but not harmfully, but if directly shown to the city building inspector would force a costly change.
The employee would likely be canned or shunned for sharing what amounts to an equivalent concern to the software licensing.
You can debate whether the two are "equivalent" (i.e.
you might think pirating software is worse than a slight building code violation), but the company/manager's opinion of the question of importance is what matters.
They may likely see you as being just as bad as the person complaining about a slight building code violation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089202</id>
	<title>1. Report them to the BSA.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258139100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2. Collect your reward.<br>3. Profit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2 .
Collect your reward.3 .
Profit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2.
Collect your reward.3.
Profit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30094674</id>
	<title>Document Everything</title>
	<author>PCWizardsinc</author>
	<datestamp>1258128900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Email is legally considered admissible in court as evidence.  Get your boss telling you to install the software, express your concerns. Get it in email, export the PST with all the tracking. Cover yourself, then start looking for another job.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Email is legally considered admissible in court as evidence .
Get your boss telling you to install the software , express your concerns .
Get it in email , export the PST with all the tracking .
Cover yourself , then start looking for another job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Email is legally considered admissible in court as evidence.
Get your boss telling you to install the software, express your concerns.
Get it in email, export the PST with all the tracking.
Cover yourself, then start looking for another job.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090518</id>
	<title>Re:Welcome to the real world</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258143900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this has some strong merit.  Being someone with experience in small startup ocmpanies it can be very hard to pay employees and do everything legitamately.  The majority of the US economy is small business and the majority of those companies are probably getting away with some breaks, including free software. MS I think realized this and rather than pushing small business away from them to FOSS, they created things like BizSpark and other systems where small businesses can qualify for all the free sofware they can handle.</p><p>Yes, use as many FOSS alternatives as possible and do your best to be legit.</p><p>Yes, if you are at a company that can easily afford licenses and isn't, try to get them into compliance.</p><p>But, think twice about killing a startup company that may be running paycheck to paycheck to make sure they are 100\% legal, especially when using software that doesn't sap any resources (because the aternative is using the free version, and doesn't make the companies money anyways, while shrinking the pool of people who like and promote their software)</p><p>killing jobs to pay for software is not a good idea IMO, and neither is screwing over hard working programmers if you can afford to pay.</p><p>DOCUMENT YOUR ACTIONS, cover your ass, and weigh your actions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this has some strong merit .
Being someone with experience in small startup ocmpanies it can be very hard to pay employees and do everything legitamately .
The majority of the US economy is small business and the majority of those companies are probably getting away with some breaks , including free software .
MS I think realized this and rather than pushing small business away from them to FOSS , they created things like BizSpark and other systems where small businesses can qualify for all the free sofware they can handle.Yes , use as many FOSS alternatives as possible and do your best to be legit.Yes , if you are at a company that can easily afford licenses and is n't , try to get them into compliance.But , think twice about killing a startup company that may be running paycheck to paycheck to make sure they are 100 \ % legal , especially when using software that does n't sap any resources ( because the aternative is using the free version , and does n't make the companies money anyways , while shrinking the pool of people who like and promote their software ) killing jobs to pay for software is not a good idea IMO , and neither is screwing over hard working programmers if you can afford to pay.DOCUMENT YOUR ACTIONS , cover your ass , and weigh your actions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this has some strong merit.
Being someone with experience in small startup ocmpanies it can be very hard to pay employees and do everything legitamately.
The majority of the US economy is small business and the majority of those companies are probably getting away with some breaks, including free software.
MS I think realized this and rather than pushing small business away from them to FOSS, they created things like BizSpark and other systems where small businesses can qualify for all the free sofware they can handle.Yes, use as many FOSS alternatives as possible and do your best to be legit.Yes, if you are at a company that can easily afford licenses and isn't, try to get them into compliance.But, think twice about killing a startup company that may be running paycheck to paycheck to make sure they are 100\% legal, especially when using software that doesn't sap any resources (because the aternative is using the free version, and doesn't make the companies money anyways, while shrinking the pool of people who like and promote their software)killing jobs to pay for software is not a good idea IMO, and neither is screwing over hard working programmers if you can afford to pay.DOCUMENT YOUR ACTIONS, cover your ass, and weigh your actions.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089192</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088966</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Dunx</author>
	<datestamp>1258138140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are problems with the XP zip handler - not on expand, but on create: it doesn't put files prefixed with a '.' into the archive. This is utterly disastrous if you are trying to archive an Eclipse workspace, for example. So a third party tool is essential for anything dev-related, I would argue.</p><p>7-Zip is a good tool, as you say. I also quite like zip/unzip on the Cygwin command line.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are problems with the XP zip handler - not on expand , but on create : it does n't put files prefixed with a ' .
' into the archive .
This is utterly disastrous if you are trying to archive an Eclipse workspace , for example .
So a third party tool is essential for anything dev-related , I would argue.7-Zip is a good tool , as you say .
I also quite like zip/unzip on the Cygwin command line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are problems with the XP zip handler - not on expand, but on create: it doesn't put files prefixed with a '.
' into the archive.
This is utterly disastrous if you are trying to archive an Eclipse workspace, for example.
So a third party tool is essential for anything dev-related, I would argue.7-Zip is a good tool, as you say.
I also quite like zip/unzip on the Cygwin command line.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30092894</id>
	<title>WinZip?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258113120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I fail to understand why anyone still uses WinZip. Recent Windows releases' Explorer understands the zip file format, and even if you think that's insufficient you have e.g. 7zip which supports multiple formats and is completely open source.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I fail to understand why anyone still uses WinZip .
Recent Windows releases ' Explorer understands the zip file format , and even if you think that 's insufficient you have e.g .
7zip which supports multiple formats and is completely open source .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fail to understand why anyone still uses WinZip.
Recent Windows releases' Explorer understands the zip file format, and even if you think that's insufficient you have e.g.
7zip which supports multiple formats and is completely open source.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30101134</id>
	<title>My XP Key Is Google-able \_AND\_ Legit</title>
	<author>Golddess</author>
	<datestamp>1258195980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Given that I was only able to find one burnt copy of Office Pro with a Google-able CD-Key, and that version of Office is on at least 20 computers, I'm not convinced.</p></div><p>To be fair, the copies of Windows XP that my university had for sale to students all used the same CD key, and googling for it reveals hundreds of sites with the same key listed.  I believe such a thing is said to be "site licensed".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that I was only able to find one burnt copy of Office Pro with a Google-able CD-Key , and that version of Office is on at least 20 computers , I 'm not convinced.To be fair , the copies of Windows XP that my university had for sale to students all used the same CD key , and googling for it reveals hundreds of sites with the same key listed .
I believe such a thing is said to be " site licensed " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that I was only able to find one burnt copy of Office Pro with a Google-able CD-Key, and that version of Office is on at least 20 computers, I'm not convinced.To be fair, the copies of Windows XP that my university had for sale to students all used the same CD key, and googling for it reveals hundreds of sites with the same key listed.
I believe such a thing is said to be "site licensed".
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091436</id>
	<title>When Can an Employee Disobey?</title>
	<author>Scribbler'sEmporium</author>
	<datestamp>1258104840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When Can an Employee Disobey?
Adjudicators support management's rights to direct employees, but have concluded that some situations permit the employee to refuse to obey.

They can refuse IF:
#1 the order would have placed the employee in danger and contravenes the Labour Code

#2 the order was to commit an illegal act - such as being told not to enforce the Act for a particular company

#3 the order was not job related - such as running personal errands for the supervisor
**************


See #2.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When Can an Employee Disobey ?
Adjudicators support management 's rights to direct employees , but have concluded that some situations permit the employee to refuse to obey .
They can refuse IF : # 1 the order would have placed the employee in danger and contravenes the Labour Code # 2 the order was to commit an illegal act - such as being told not to enforce the Act for a particular company # 3 the order was not job related - such as running personal errands for the supervisor * * * * * * * * * * * * * * See # 2 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When Can an Employee Disobey?
Adjudicators support management's rights to direct employees, but have concluded that some situations permit the employee to refuse to obey.
They can refuse IF:
#1 the order would have placed the employee in danger and contravenes the Labour Code

#2 the order was to commit an illegal act - such as being told not to enforce the Act for a particular company

#3 the order was not job related - such as running personal errands for the supervisor
**************


See #2.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30101554</id>
	<title>Re:It's only piracy when someone else does it!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258199100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obvious troll is obvious.</p><p>You can quote a bunch of users, I can bunch of uses saying the contrary, it does not make a gross generalization against an entire website, or group of users any more logical or true.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obvious troll is obvious.You can quote a bunch of users , I can bunch of uses saying the contrary , it does not make a gross generalization against an entire website , or group of users any more logical or true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obvious troll is obvious.You can quote a bunch of users, I can bunch of uses saying the contrary, it does not make a gross generalization against an entire website, or group of users any more logical or true.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089322</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089192</id>
	<title>Welcome to the real world</title>
	<author>dave562</author>
	<datestamp>1258139040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most small businesses have a hard time dealing with software licensing.  Any money that they have to spend on software is less money for them to spend on other things like employee salaries, power bills to keep the lights on, toner for the printers, etc.  It sounds to me like the OP has already shot himself in the foot by bringing it up to management.</p><p>If pirated software really bothers you then find another job (good luck with that in this market).  However ratting your employer out to the BSA is a dickhead move.  Whether you like it or not, they are currently paying your salary, and the salary of at least 20 other people.  The odds of them getting audited for license compliance are just about zero, unless someone rats them out.</p><p>I'd take a long hard look at the situation.  There isn't an easy answer.  Either you rat out your employer and impose significant costs and lost productivity on a company in a struggling economy, or you live with being a thief for a while until you can find another job.  If I were in that situation, I'd just suck it up and start looking for another job.  I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if Microsoft loses out on the licensing revenue for 19 copies of Office.  And I certainly wouldn't torpedo a company that is providing employment to my community just so that the BSA and Microsoft can earn a couple thousand dollars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most small businesses have a hard time dealing with software licensing .
Any money that they have to spend on software is less money for them to spend on other things like employee salaries , power bills to keep the lights on , toner for the printers , etc .
It sounds to me like the OP has already shot himself in the foot by bringing it up to management.If pirated software really bothers you then find another job ( good luck with that in this market ) .
However ratting your employer out to the BSA is a dickhead move .
Whether you like it or not , they are currently paying your salary , and the salary of at least 20 other people .
The odds of them getting audited for license compliance are just about zero , unless someone rats them out.I 'd take a long hard look at the situation .
There is n't an easy answer .
Either you rat out your employer and impose significant costs and lost productivity on a company in a struggling economy , or you live with being a thief for a while until you can find another job .
If I were in that situation , I 'd just suck it up and start looking for another job .
I would n't cry myself to sleep if Microsoft loses out on the licensing revenue for 19 copies of Office .
And I certainly would n't torpedo a company that is providing employment to my community just so that the BSA and Microsoft can earn a couple thousand dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most small businesses have a hard time dealing with software licensing.
Any money that they have to spend on software is less money for them to spend on other things like employee salaries, power bills to keep the lights on, toner for the printers, etc.
It sounds to me like the OP has already shot himself in the foot by bringing it up to management.If pirated software really bothers you then find another job (good luck with that in this market).
However ratting your employer out to the BSA is a dickhead move.
Whether you like it or not, they are currently paying your salary, and the salary of at least 20 other people.
The odds of them getting audited for license compliance are just about zero, unless someone rats them out.I'd take a long hard look at the situation.
There isn't an easy answer.
Either you rat out your employer and impose significant costs and lost productivity on a company in a struggling economy, or you live with being a thief for a while until you can find another job.
If I were in that situation, I'd just suck it up and start looking for another job.
I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if Microsoft loses out on the licensing revenue for 19 copies of Office.
And I certainly wouldn't torpedo a company that is providing employment to my community just so that the BSA and Microsoft can earn a couple thousand dollars.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30095452</id>
	<title>My two cents</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258139940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Peazip replaces winzip, and Microsoft now has a free av (security essentials) that works better than trend micro for me, I still need trend micro for my servers. As for office we stuck with office 2003 that we have enough licenses for. They really like outlook at my work and as much as people say how well other email apps work there are plugins we use for outlook like salesbuilder and outlook connects correctly to exchange (as long as you have a vpn or are inside our network). and I still have failed to find a good exchange replacement for contacts, calendar, and using ad to allow access to calendars. This would be really nice if we had a drop in outlook and exchange that uses the exchange protocal so I could get away from it without anyone noticing. I'd like to replace outlook first so i could replace office with something like open office which we use for lab computers. Evolution in my experiances is even buggier than outlook. It crashed and would be too unresponsive for too long and it would mess up all the time. Both in windows and in my os of choice linux. Maybe I'll come back to it in a few years and try it again with the exchange plugin. But the calendar and contacts are important and not to be glossed over with simple replacements. It needs to work with exchange for now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Peazip replaces winzip , and Microsoft now has a free av ( security essentials ) that works better than trend micro for me , I still need trend micro for my servers .
As for office we stuck with office 2003 that we have enough licenses for .
They really like outlook at my work and as much as people say how well other email apps work there are plugins we use for outlook like salesbuilder and outlook connects correctly to exchange ( as long as you have a vpn or are inside our network ) .
and I still have failed to find a good exchange replacement for contacts , calendar , and using ad to allow access to calendars .
This would be really nice if we had a drop in outlook and exchange that uses the exchange protocal so I could get away from it without anyone noticing .
I 'd like to replace outlook first so i could replace office with something like open office which we use for lab computers .
Evolution in my experiances is even buggier than outlook .
It crashed and would be too unresponsive for too long and it would mess up all the time .
Both in windows and in my os of choice linux .
Maybe I 'll come back to it in a few years and try it again with the exchange plugin .
But the calendar and contacts are important and not to be glossed over with simple replacements .
It needs to work with exchange for now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Peazip replaces winzip, and Microsoft now has a free av (security essentials) that works better than trend micro for me, I still need trend micro for my servers.
As for office we stuck with office 2003 that we have enough licenses for.
They really like outlook at my work and as much as people say how well other email apps work there are plugins we use for outlook like salesbuilder and outlook connects correctly to exchange (as long as you have a vpn or are inside our network).
and I still have failed to find a good exchange replacement for contacts, calendar, and using ad to allow access to calendars.
This would be really nice if we had a drop in outlook and exchange that uses the exchange protocal so I could get away from it without anyone noticing.
I'd like to replace outlook first so i could replace office with something like open office which we use for lab computers.
Evolution in my experiances is even buggier than outlook.
It crashed and would be too unresponsive for too long and it would mess up all the time.
Both in windows and in my os of choice linux.
Maybe I'll come back to it in a few years and try it again with the exchange plugin.
But the calendar and contacts are important and not to be glossed over with simple replacements.
It needs to work with exchange for now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30092890</id>
	<title>Slowly migrate them to legit software</title>
	<author>moxley</author>
	<datestamp>1258113120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this truly bothers you, then start looking for a new job.</p><p>I have been in this situation, and here is how I handled it:</p><p>I used free alternatives where possible, and explained the security risk and other issues associated with pirated sofware, then I explained that pirated software isn't really free when you consider the security risks and and support issues it creates. It costs more than a lot of people realize; but I am also a realist and not anal about that kind of stuff - so I am not going to sweat it if I can't see licensing details for a copy of acrobat - then again though, I work for a small company, and they're great about paying for things that are supposed to be paid for.</p><p>Between developer programs and other special deals (like academic versions, etc) you can always usually find a way to get legit software at an affordable price.</p><p>Personally I think that ratting them out to the BSA is fucked unless they screw you over or expect you to obtain pirated software or something like that. Sometimes people just don't realize the deal when it comes to software licensing, and educating them is better than ratting them out.</p><p>Especially because it's always possible that the president of the company is correct that some of it was paid for at some point. I guess my attitude is that unless you KNOW it was pirated, and see telltale signs of that, as long as you feel your workplace is treating you fairly and doesn't balk at paying for appropriate software going forward, I wouldn't wory about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this truly bothers you , then start looking for a new job.I have been in this situation , and here is how I handled it : I used free alternatives where possible , and explained the security risk and other issues associated with pirated sofware , then I explained that pirated software is n't really free when you consider the security risks and and support issues it creates .
It costs more than a lot of people realize ; but I am also a realist and not anal about that kind of stuff - so I am not going to sweat it if I ca n't see licensing details for a copy of acrobat - then again though , I work for a small company , and they 're great about paying for things that are supposed to be paid for.Between developer programs and other special deals ( like academic versions , etc ) you can always usually find a way to get legit software at an affordable price.Personally I think that ratting them out to the BSA is fucked unless they screw you over or expect you to obtain pirated software or something like that .
Sometimes people just do n't realize the deal when it comes to software licensing , and educating them is better than ratting them out.Especially because it 's always possible that the president of the company is correct that some of it was paid for at some point .
I guess my attitude is that unless you KNOW it was pirated , and see telltale signs of that , as long as you feel your workplace is treating you fairly and does n't balk at paying for appropriate software going forward , I would n't wory about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this truly bothers you, then start looking for a new job.I have been in this situation, and here is how I handled it:I used free alternatives where possible, and explained the security risk and other issues associated with pirated sofware, then I explained that pirated software isn't really free when you consider the security risks and and support issues it creates.
It costs more than a lot of people realize; but I am also a realist and not anal about that kind of stuff - so I am not going to sweat it if I can't see licensing details for a copy of acrobat - then again though, I work for a small company, and they're great about paying for things that are supposed to be paid for.Between developer programs and other special deals (like academic versions, etc) you can always usually find a way to get legit software at an affordable price.Personally I think that ratting them out to the BSA is fucked unless they screw you over or expect you to obtain pirated software or something like that.
Sometimes people just don't realize the deal when it comes to software licensing, and educating them is better than ratting them out.Especially because it's always possible that the president of the company is correct that some of it was paid for at some point.
I guess my attitude is that unless you KNOW it was pirated, and see telltale signs of that, as long as you feel your workplace is treating you fairly and doesn't balk at paying for appropriate software going forward, I wouldn't wory about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30093904</id>
	<title>Educate while looking for another job</title>
	<author>managerialslime</author>
	<datestamp>1258120800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First, it is up to you to do your best to educate your executives about the real risks of disgruntled former employees turning in your employer in return for a portion of the damages they will be held liable for.

<p>

If your employer truly does not have money for MS Office and the like, it is up to you to present the free and inexpensive legal alternatives to 99\% of what most users need.  (For the rest of the stuff, either pay or accept the risk of shut down.)

</p><p>

If the ethics of your employer are that it is OK to screw your software vendors, there is every probability that they will eventually take other actions not in the interests of their employees, their customers, or their own long-term financial security.

</p><p>
You think Bernie Madoff STARTED big time?  No, he got away with little stuff and eventually became the monster that ruined so many lives.

</p><p>

I've become a moralizing old fart and I feel just fine about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , it is up to you to do your best to educate your executives about the real risks of disgruntled former employees turning in your employer in return for a portion of the damages they will be held liable for .
If your employer truly does not have money for MS Office and the like , it is up to you to present the free and inexpensive legal alternatives to 99 \ % of what most users need .
( For the rest of the stuff , either pay or accept the risk of shut down .
) If the ethics of your employer are that it is OK to screw your software vendors , there is every probability that they will eventually take other actions not in the interests of their employees , their customers , or their own long-term financial security .
You think Bernie Madoff STARTED big time ?
No , he got away with little stuff and eventually became the monster that ruined so many lives .
I 've become a moralizing old fart and I feel just fine about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, it is up to you to do your best to educate your executives about the real risks of disgruntled former employees turning in your employer in return for a portion of the damages they will be held liable for.
If your employer truly does not have money for MS Office and the like, it is up to you to present the free and inexpensive legal alternatives to 99\% of what most users need.
(For the rest of the stuff, either pay or accept the risk of shut down.
)



If the ethics of your employer are that it is OK to screw your software vendors, there is every probability that they will eventually take other actions not in the interests of their employees, their customers, or their own long-term financial security.
You think Bernie Madoff STARTED big time?
No, he got away with little stuff and eventually became the monster that ruined so many lives.
I've become a moralizing old fart and I feel just fine about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090758</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258145040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems that you can't use Security Essentials unless it's for home or for use in a home-based small business:</p><p>http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/eula.aspx#mainNav [microsoft.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems that you ca n't use Security Essentials unless it 's for home or for use in a home-based small business : http : //www.microsoft.com/Security \ _Essentials/eula.aspx # mainNav [ microsoft.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems that you can't use Security Essentials unless it's for home or for use in a home-based small business:http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/eula.aspx#mainNav [microsoft.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088906</id>
	<title>CYA, new job, then rat</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258137960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Firstly, start looking for a new job.  It sounds like there's a fair amount of corruption at your company and that can't be good in the long term.
<p>
As you start getting a good idea that you can find a better job, send an email to your boss expressing concern that there may be unlicensed software installed on computers in your company.  Don't make a big deal about it, since this is your CYA measure.  You probably will not get a response or just get a verbal response.  Print this email out and keep it, along with any replies.
</p><p>
After you have your job offer, say your goodbyes.  Optionally, you can drop a dime to the BSA and rat out your old employers.  Be careful about this last step, however, because this last step might kill your old company and everybody there will be out of a job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Firstly , start looking for a new job .
It sounds like there 's a fair amount of corruption at your company and that ca n't be good in the long term .
As you start getting a good idea that you can find a better job , send an email to your boss expressing concern that there may be unlicensed software installed on computers in your company .
Do n't make a big deal about it , since this is your CYA measure .
You probably will not get a response or just get a verbal response .
Print this email out and keep it , along with any replies .
After you have your job offer , say your goodbyes .
Optionally , you can drop a dime to the BSA and rat out your old employers .
Be careful about this last step , however , because this last step might kill your old company and everybody there will be out of a job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firstly, start looking for a new job.
It sounds like there's a fair amount of corruption at your company and that can't be good in the long term.
As you start getting a good idea that you can find a better job, send an email to your boss expressing concern that there may be unlicensed software installed on computers in your company.
Don't make a big deal about it, since this is your CYA measure.
You probably will not get a response or just get a verbal response.
Print this email out and keep it, along with any replies.
After you have your job offer, say your goodbyes.
Optionally, you can drop a dime to the BSA and rat out your old employers.
Be careful about this last step, however, because this last step might kill your old company and everybody there will be out of a job.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088574</id>
	<title>Well...</title>
	<author>scubamage</author>
	<datestamp>1258136640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>For utilities like winzip, replace them with open source stuff like 7zip. Explain that it's ok to be used for commercial use, and it avoids annoying licensing costs. As for the other stuff, shoot an email to your management about it and print it out. If they refuse to listen, at least you have a hard copy on record showing that you tried to warn them. Then, if anything ever happens legally you've tried to notify them and you can't get canned. If they do, they'll have a hefty wrongful termination lawsuit on their hands. If it really bothers you, find a new job and call the BSA. Tattletale.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</htmltext>
<tokenext>For utilities like winzip , replace them with open source stuff like 7zip .
Explain that it 's ok to be used for commercial use , and it avoids annoying licensing costs .
As for the other stuff , shoot an email to your management about it and print it out .
If they refuse to listen , at least you have a hard copy on record showing that you tried to warn them .
Then , if anything ever happens legally you 've tried to notify them and you ca n't get canned .
If they do , they 'll have a hefty wrongful termination lawsuit on their hands .
If it really bothers you , find a new job and call the BSA .
Tattletale. : -P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For utilities like winzip, replace them with open source stuff like 7zip.
Explain that it's ok to be used for commercial use, and it avoids annoying licensing costs.
As for the other stuff, shoot an email to your management about it and print it out.
If they refuse to listen, at least you have a hard copy on record showing that you tried to warn them.
Then, if anything ever happens legally you've tried to notify them and you can't get canned.
If they do, they'll have a hefty wrongful termination lawsuit on their hands.
If it really bothers you, find a new job and call the BSA.
Tattletale. :-P</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30093928</id>
	<title>Do what I did.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258120980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Find a new job and send a notice to the BSA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Find a new job and send a notice to the BSA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Find a new job and send a notice to the BSA.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089452</id>
	<title>Re:Piracy without guns and ships?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258139880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;it really is odd that they're used when software is executed outside the limits of a license. It's totally reasonable in the face of ridiculous license terms to want to get past all that and just use the software.</p><p>Well, that's the definition of pirate. Operating without a license or outside its limits. If you have a license or a commission then you're not a pirate. Meaning you could only attempt or attack ships and lands as stated in your license. The looting and the plunder stayed the same. Radio stations, same thing; no license&gt;&gt;pirate. Software; no license&gt;&gt;pirate. In the Netherlands if you're caught speeding you're a road pirate. Same principle, It isn't in your license. The cop catching you may have been speeding more but he's ok. He's got the correct license.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; it really is odd that they 're used when software is executed outside the limits of a license .
It 's totally reasonable in the face of ridiculous license terms to want to get past all that and just use the software.Well , that 's the definition of pirate .
Operating without a license or outside its limits .
If you have a license or a commission then you 're not a pirate .
Meaning you could only attempt or attack ships and lands as stated in your license .
The looting and the plunder stayed the same .
Radio stations , same thing ; no license &gt; &gt; pirate .
Software ; no license &gt; &gt; pirate .
In the Netherlands if you 're caught speeding you 're a road pirate .
Same principle , It is n't in your license .
The cop catching you may have been speeding more but he 's ok. He 's got the correct license .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;it really is odd that they're used when software is executed outside the limits of a license.
It's totally reasonable in the face of ridiculous license terms to want to get past all that and just use the software.Well, that's the definition of pirate.
Operating without a license or outside its limits.
If you have a license or a commission then you're not a pirate.
Meaning you could only attempt or attack ships and lands as stated in your license.
The looting and the plunder stayed the same.
Radio stations, same thing; no license&gt;&gt;pirate.
Software; no license&gt;&gt;pirate.
In the Netherlands if you're caught speeding you're a road pirate.
Same principle, It isn't in your license.
The cop catching you may have been speeding more but he's ok. He's got the correct license.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088666</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090056</id>
	<title>Re:Welcome to the real world</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258142160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"And I certainly wouldn't torpedo a company that is providing employment to my community just so that the BSA and Microsoft can earn a couple thousand dollars."</p><p>Bullshit arguments like this are the best case I've yet seen in FAVOR of calling the BSA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" And I certainly would n't torpedo a company that is providing employment to my community just so that the BSA and Microsoft can earn a couple thousand dollars .
" Bullshit arguments like this are the best case I 've yet seen in FAVOR of calling the BSA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"And I certainly wouldn't torpedo a company that is providing employment to my community just so that the BSA and Microsoft can earn a couple thousand dollars.
"Bullshit arguments like this are the best case I've yet seen in FAVOR of calling the BSA.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089192</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090676</id>
	<title>One thing I did</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258144560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I started by asking awkward questions like "who do I notify when someone asks for new software to be installed on their computer so we stay compliant?"  This of course resulted in all the usual hand-wavy, look-the-other-way non-answers.  In an ironic twist, this was at a software development company which used active license tokening technology (think FlexLM-like) to ensure that their product was only used in compliance with the license terms.</p><p>So I dropped the company's legal council a line, asking who would be held responsible if the company was discovered to be using software out of compliance with their licenses.</p><p>After that, I paid $350 of my own money to ask a lawyer not related to the company the same question.</p><p>And based on those two answers, I started looking for another job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I started by asking awkward questions like " who do I notify when someone asks for new software to be installed on their computer so we stay compliant ?
" This of course resulted in all the usual hand-wavy , look-the-other-way non-answers .
In an ironic twist , this was at a software development company which used active license tokening technology ( think FlexLM-like ) to ensure that their product was only used in compliance with the license terms.So I dropped the company 's legal council a line , asking who would be held responsible if the company was discovered to be using software out of compliance with their licenses.After that , I paid $ 350 of my own money to ask a lawyer not related to the company the same question.And based on those two answers , I started looking for another job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I started by asking awkward questions like "who do I notify when someone asks for new software to be installed on their computer so we stay compliant?
"  This of course resulted in all the usual hand-wavy, look-the-other-way non-answers.
In an ironic twist, this was at a software development company which used active license tokening technology (think FlexLM-like) to ensure that their product was only used in compliance with the license terms.So I dropped the company's legal council a line, asking who would be held responsible if the company was discovered to be using software out of compliance with their licenses.After that, I paid $350 of my own money to ask a lawyer not related to the company the same question.And based on those two answers, I started looking for another job.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088598</id>
	<title>Different Approach</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1258136700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instead of accsing the company of piracy (even if they're guilty), use another approach.</p><p>Say, I'm concerned that renewing future licenses will be very expensive. Say, the 1,000 copies of Winzip at $30 each is $30,000. 7-zip is a free alternative that actually works better, and will save the company $30,000 the new time those licenses need to be renewed. Alnd OpenOffice saves $400 per license over MS Office. OpenOffice comes with free PDF export functionality, which saves the $500 Acrobat license.</p><p>You may get approval to install free, legal alternatives and get rid of the pirated software. Even better, instead of being seen as the problem (the person who has a moral objection to their piracy), you'll be seen as a solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of accsing the company of piracy ( even if they 're guilty ) , use another approach.Say , I 'm concerned that renewing future licenses will be very expensive .
Say , the 1,000 copies of Winzip at $ 30 each is $ 30,000 .
7-zip is a free alternative that actually works better , and will save the company $ 30,000 the new time those licenses need to be renewed .
Alnd OpenOffice saves $ 400 per license over MS Office .
OpenOffice comes with free PDF export functionality , which saves the $ 500 Acrobat license.You may get approval to install free , legal alternatives and get rid of the pirated software .
Even better , instead of being seen as the problem ( the person who has a moral objection to their piracy ) , you 'll be seen as a solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of accsing the company of piracy (even if they're guilty), use another approach.Say, I'm concerned that renewing future licenses will be very expensive.
Say, the 1,000 copies of Winzip at $30 each is $30,000.
7-zip is a free alternative that actually works better, and will save the company $30,000 the new time those licenses need to be renewed.
Alnd OpenOffice saves $400 per license over MS Office.
OpenOffice comes with free PDF export functionality, which saves the $500 Acrobat license.You may get approval to install free, legal alternatives and get rid of the pirated software.
Even better, instead of being seen as the problem (the person who has a moral objection to their piracy), you'll be seen as a solution.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089476</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1258139940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Missing in the list:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Ubuntu is free and OSS, so replace Windows with it. No need for antivirus, includes openoffice (that can handle pdf creation if you need), with nautilus open zip files and around 10-20k more useful programs that can replace most of the apps their use.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Missing in the list :     Ubuntu is free and OSS , so replace Windows with it .
No need for antivirus , includes openoffice ( that can handle pdf creation if you need ) , with nautilus open zip files and around 10-20k more useful programs that can replace most of the apps their use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Missing in the list:
    Ubuntu is free and OSS, so replace Windows with it.
No need for antivirus, includes openoffice (that can handle pdf creation if you need), with nautilus open zip files and around 10-20k more useful programs that can replace most of the apps their use.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089052</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Celeste R</author>
	<datestamp>1258138440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an alternative to Office, use OpenOffice.</p><p>However, it \_must\_ be pointed out:  you'd be making a lot of changes.  Some people (especially management) see that as rocking the boat when it's 'going along just fine'.</p><p>The best thing to do (from my point of view):  Educate your boss, keep a diary of what you're trying to do to be ethical, and do your best to get out of a sticky situation before it gets worse.</p><p>Once you're out, of course, you can drop the bomb.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an alternative to Office , use OpenOffice.However , it \ _must \ _ be pointed out : you 'd be making a lot of changes .
Some people ( especially management ) see that as rocking the boat when it 's 'going along just fine'.The best thing to do ( from my point of view ) : Educate your boss , keep a diary of what you 're trying to do to be ethical , and do your best to get out of a sticky situation before it gets worse.Once you 're out , of course , you can drop the bomb .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an alternative to Office, use OpenOffice.However, it \_must\_ be pointed out:  you'd be making a lot of changes.
Some people (especially management) see that as rocking the boat when it's 'going along just fine'.The best thing to do (from my point of view):  Educate your boss, keep a diary of what you're trying to do to be ethical, and do your best to get out of a sticky situation before it gets worse.Once you're out, of course, you can drop the bomb.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089408</id>
	<title>Play it straight</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258139760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Do your own audit on the pretense that you've been reading on the web that the BSA is stepping up enforcement, and you want to be ready with documentation in case you're audited.</p><p>2. Submit your calm, rational, objective report to your boss (not the CEO unless that's your boss) and ask for assistance tracking down the "missing licenses."</p><p>3. Act as though you're REALLY WORRIED that your WONDERFUL COMPANY might get in trouble, but be subtle about it.  Don't make the Queen of Denmark mistake (the lady doth protest too much, methinks)</p><p>4. Keep a copy of your audit data and report.  Keep a journal of every interaction with your boss or the company brass.</p><p>5. If you're disciplined or threatened, maintain the posture that it's all about the company, not about obligation, law, ethics, etc.  It's *all about the company's ongoing success*</p><p>6. If you're shown the door, you've already got the documentation at home: turn the bastards in to the BSA.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Do your own audit on the pretense that you 've been reading on the web that the BSA is stepping up enforcement , and you want to be ready with documentation in case you 're audited.2 .
Submit your calm , rational , objective report to your boss ( not the CEO unless that 's your boss ) and ask for assistance tracking down the " missing licenses. " 3 .
Act as though you 're REALLY WORRIED that your WONDERFUL COMPANY might get in trouble , but be subtle about it .
Do n't make the Queen of Denmark mistake ( the lady doth protest too much , methinks ) 4 .
Keep a copy of your audit data and report .
Keep a journal of every interaction with your boss or the company brass.5 .
If you 're disciplined or threatened , maintain the posture that it 's all about the company , not about obligation , law , ethics , etc .
It 's * all about the company 's ongoing success * 6 .
If you 're shown the door , you 've already got the documentation at home : turn the bastards in to the BSA .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Do your own audit on the pretense that you've been reading on the web that the BSA is stepping up enforcement, and you want to be ready with documentation in case you're audited.2.
Submit your calm, rational, objective report to your boss (not the CEO unless that's your boss) and ask for assistance tracking down the "missing licenses."3.
Act as though you're REALLY WORRIED that your WONDERFUL COMPANY might get in trouble, but be subtle about it.
Don't make the Queen of Denmark mistake (the lady doth protest too much, methinks)4.
Keep a copy of your audit data and report.
Keep a journal of every interaction with your boss or the company brass.5.
If you're disciplined or threatened, maintain the posture that it's all about the company, not about obligation, law, ethics, etc.
It's *all about the company's ongoing success*6.
If you're shown the door, you've already got the documentation at home: turn the bastards in to the BSA.
 </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091200</id>
	<title>Leave, call BSA</title>
	<author>Tracy Reed</author>
	<datestamp>1258103760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Find new job.<br>2. call BSA.</p><p>They'll never learn otherwise. I am normally loathe to suggest involving BSA as they are generally scumbags who go after businesses trying to do the right thing and just want their money. But if this company really is doing what you say they deserve it. Not like they can say they didn't know and you didn't warn them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Find new job.2 .
call BSA.They 'll never learn otherwise .
I am normally loathe to suggest involving BSA as they are generally scumbags who go after businesses trying to do the right thing and just want their money .
But if this company really is doing what you say they deserve it .
Not like they can say they did n't know and you did n't warn them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Find new job.2.
call BSA.They'll never learn otherwise.
I am normally loathe to suggest involving BSA as they are generally scumbags who go after businesses trying to do the right thing and just want their money.
But if this company really is doing what you say they deserve it.
Not like they can say they didn't know and you didn't warn them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30118466</id>
	<title>Re:My job used to be like this....</title>
	<author>ProKras</author>
	<datestamp>1258398900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree that a gradual approach is probably the best. I was lucky enough to be brought on board as IT manager (for a small accounting firm) just when the company was expanding and purchasing a lot of new hardware. From the beginning I advocated using as much FOSS as possible. Management, who had never heard of the concept, was excited that they could get legit, good quality software at no cost. There was a bit of grumbling in the beginning about some of the FOSS since there was a learning curve for some. Once people got used to it, though, it became a non-issue. For any non-open-source software that was free (as in beer) I made doubly sure that commercial use was permitted under the free license, otherwise it was gone. I was also fortunate in that the most critical software for the firm was already SaaS, and there was no need to change there.
<br> <br>
As we upgraded the existing hardware, any questionable software on the old hardware has been removed and replaced with FOSS, or software that was definitely properly licensed. Now nearly everyone is now using <a href="http://www.openoffice.org/" title="openoffice.org" rel="nofollow">OpenOffice.org</a> [openoffice.org], although we do have a couple of machines with legit Microsoft Office licenses (necessary, for example, when we have a spreadsheet that requires macros to work right. Also, the boss wanted to keep Outlook because of some issues with scheduling meetings with clients in Thunderbird+Lighting). In cases where no good FOSS alternative was available, we purchased (legit, unused) licenses from ebay or elsewhere, and documented this fully in case of any audits down the road. (If a license sounded like it MIGHT not be legit we stayed away. We looked for original disks, packaging and manuals before buying.)
<br> <br>
The most important step, I believe, was to get management interested in the idea of FOSS early on as an alternative to more expensive options. I also gently warned them about the potential for software "not working right" if it was not properly licensed (because of lack of updates or activation issues). I never had to mention the BSA at all to convince management that adopting FOSS was a smart move.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that a gradual approach is probably the best .
I was lucky enough to be brought on board as IT manager ( for a small accounting firm ) just when the company was expanding and purchasing a lot of new hardware .
From the beginning I advocated using as much FOSS as possible .
Management , who had never heard of the concept , was excited that they could get legit , good quality software at no cost .
There was a bit of grumbling in the beginning about some of the FOSS since there was a learning curve for some .
Once people got used to it , though , it became a non-issue .
For any non-open-source software that was free ( as in beer ) I made doubly sure that commercial use was permitted under the free license , otherwise it was gone .
I was also fortunate in that the most critical software for the firm was already SaaS , and there was no need to change there .
As we upgraded the existing hardware , any questionable software on the old hardware has been removed and replaced with FOSS , or software that was definitely properly licensed .
Now nearly everyone is now using OpenOffice.org [ openoffice.org ] , although we do have a couple of machines with legit Microsoft Office licenses ( necessary , for example , when we have a spreadsheet that requires macros to work right .
Also , the boss wanted to keep Outlook because of some issues with scheduling meetings with clients in Thunderbird + Lighting ) .
In cases where no good FOSS alternative was available , we purchased ( legit , unused ) licenses from ebay or elsewhere , and documented this fully in case of any audits down the road .
( If a license sounded like it MIGHT not be legit we stayed away .
We looked for original disks , packaging and manuals before buying .
) The most important step , I believe , was to get management interested in the idea of FOSS early on as an alternative to more expensive options .
I also gently warned them about the potential for software " not working right " if it was not properly licensed ( because of lack of updates or activation issues ) .
I never had to mention the BSA at all to convince management that adopting FOSS was a smart move .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that a gradual approach is probably the best.
I was lucky enough to be brought on board as IT manager (for a small accounting firm) just when the company was expanding and purchasing a lot of new hardware.
From the beginning I advocated using as much FOSS as possible.
Management, who had never heard of the concept, was excited that they could get legit, good quality software at no cost.
There was a bit of grumbling in the beginning about some of the FOSS since there was a learning curve for some.
Once people got used to it, though, it became a non-issue.
For any non-open-source software that was free (as in beer) I made doubly sure that commercial use was permitted under the free license, otherwise it was gone.
I was also fortunate in that the most critical software for the firm was already SaaS, and there was no need to change there.
As we upgraded the existing hardware, any questionable software on the old hardware has been removed and replaced with FOSS, or software that was definitely properly licensed.
Now nearly everyone is now using OpenOffice.org [openoffice.org], although we do have a couple of machines with legit Microsoft Office licenses (necessary, for example, when we have a spreadsheet that requires macros to work right.
Also, the boss wanted to keep Outlook because of some issues with scheduling meetings with clients in Thunderbird+Lighting).
In cases where no good FOSS alternative was available, we purchased (legit, unused) licenses from ebay or elsewhere, and documented this fully in case of any audits down the road.
(If a license sounded like it MIGHT not be legit we stayed away.
We looked for original disks, packaging and manuals before buying.
)
 
The most important step, I believe, was to get management interested in the idea of FOSS early on as an alternative to more expensive options.
I also gently warned them about the potential for software "not working right" if it was not properly licensed (because of lack of updates or activation issues).
I never had to mention the BSA at all to convince management that adopting FOSS was a smart move.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088712</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090590</id>
	<title>Issue a (small) PO</title>
	<author>id10ts</author>
	<datestamp>1258144200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Standrad IANAL disclaimer applies...</i> </p><p>Using the example of WinZip (or any other small dollar software package), just issue a PO (WinZip is $170 for a 10-pack).</p><p>If you can officially let a PO, this is a small enough amount to bring your point to the attention of management without too much fuss.</p><p>If you do not have the official ability to let a PO, you'll definitely make an impression on management.  If they follow your convictions, you'll catch a little heat, but you may help open their eyes.  If they come after you, it is a small enough amount so as to not be a felony.  You also have whistleblower protections on your side, so if they push the issue, it comes back onto them.</p><p>Either way, you need to push forward on this issue.  By bringing it to the attention of management, you have effectively painted a target on your back.  They could can you for forgetting the paperclip in your pocket as you walk out the door.  Bringing the issue up after the fact won't be worth zip.  Pushing forward on your convictions now is the only way to keep yourself straight (whether you remain employed by your company or not).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Standrad IANAL disclaimer applies... Using the example of WinZip ( or any other small dollar software package ) , just issue a PO ( WinZip is $ 170 for a 10-pack ) .If you can officially let a PO , this is a small enough amount to bring your point to the attention of management without too much fuss.If you do not have the official ability to let a PO , you 'll definitely make an impression on management .
If they follow your convictions , you 'll catch a little heat , but you may help open their eyes .
If they come after you , it is a small enough amount so as to not be a felony .
You also have whistleblower protections on your side , so if they push the issue , it comes back onto them.Either way , you need to push forward on this issue .
By bringing it to the attention of management , you have effectively painted a target on your back .
They could can you for forgetting the paperclip in your pocket as you walk out the door .
Bringing the issue up after the fact wo n't be worth zip .
Pushing forward on your convictions now is the only way to keep yourself straight ( whether you remain employed by your company or not ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Standrad IANAL disclaimer applies... Using the example of WinZip (or any other small dollar software package), just issue a PO (WinZip is $170 for a 10-pack).If you can officially let a PO, this is a small enough amount to bring your point to the attention of management without too much fuss.If you do not have the official ability to let a PO, you'll definitely make an impression on management.
If they follow your convictions, you'll catch a little heat, but you may help open their eyes.
If they come after you, it is a small enough amount so as to not be a felony.
You also have whistleblower protections on your side, so if they push the issue, it comes back onto them.Either way, you need to push forward on this issue.
By bringing it to the attention of management, you have effectively painted a target on your back.
They could can you for forgetting the paperclip in your pocket as you walk out the door.
Bringing the issue up after the fact won't be worth zip.
Pushing forward on your convictions now is the only way to keep yourself straight (whether you remain employed by your company or not).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088660</id>
	<title>Re:Contact the BSA &amp; request an audit</title>
	<author>SpuriousLogic</author>
	<datestamp>1258136940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just report it.  The burned hand teaches best.  Think how pissed your president would be if he found out the software his company built was being pirated.  What is good for the goose is good for the gander.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just report it .
The burned hand teaches best .
Think how pissed your president would be if he found out the software his company built was being pirated .
What is good for the goose is good for the gander .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just report it.
The burned hand teaches best.
Think how pissed your president would be if he found out the software his company built was being pirated.
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088530</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30095496</id>
	<title>BonysGambit</title>
	<author>BonysGambit</author>
	<datestamp>1258141020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So let me see if I get the general drift of most of your comments right: Without societies, censors or authority over us, we're all immoral and unethical?
What happened to individual choice? All you guys out there (used in a non-sexist way) are telling me that stealing is okay, provided you, taking the best suggestion I read before I stopped in horror, that you document your going along with it to simply CYA?
If I found myself in this position, I would take part of that same suggestion to document the whole problem. I'd make a list of all the software which should be bought to make the company legal. Present it to the boss. And if he doesn't instantly implement a plan to acquire it, look for another job if you need the paycheck - else resign immediately.
Morals, ethics and honesty - you have them or you don't and there's almost no ambiguity about it (you may be forgiven for stealing a slice of bread to feed your hungry child).
This philosophy still seems to me to be the best going: do unto others as you would have them do unto you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So let me see if I get the general drift of most of your comments right : Without societies , censors or authority over us , we 're all immoral and unethical ?
What happened to individual choice ?
All you guys out there ( used in a non-sexist way ) are telling me that stealing is okay , provided you , taking the best suggestion I read before I stopped in horror , that you document your going along with it to simply CYA ?
If I found myself in this position , I would take part of that same suggestion to document the whole problem .
I 'd make a list of all the software which should be bought to make the company legal .
Present it to the boss .
And if he does n't instantly implement a plan to acquire it , look for another job if you need the paycheck - else resign immediately .
Morals , ethics and honesty - you have them or you do n't and there 's almost no ambiguity about it ( you may be forgiven for stealing a slice of bread to feed your hungry child ) .
This philosophy still seems to me to be the best going : do unto others as you would have them do unto you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So let me see if I get the general drift of most of your comments right: Without societies, censors or authority over us, we're all immoral and unethical?
What happened to individual choice?
All you guys out there (used in a non-sexist way) are telling me that stealing is okay, provided you, taking the best suggestion I read before I stopped in horror, that you document your going along with it to simply CYA?
If I found myself in this position, I would take part of that same suggestion to document the whole problem.
I'd make a list of all the software which should be bought to make the company legal.
Present it to the boss.
And if he doesn't instantly implement a plan to acquire it, look for another job if you need the paycheck - else resign immediately.
Morals, ethics and honesty - you have them or you don't and there's almost no ambiguity about it (you may be forgiven for stealing a slice of bread to feed your hungry child).
This philosophy still seems to me to be the best going: do unto others as you would have them do unto you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089050</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is pretty much the best way to go. But don't bring it up as a compliance issue. "We didn't buy these things so we need to switch to free stuff!" will never sell.</p><p>Instead, convince them about productivity and security of free software. Tell how many fewer hours you'll spend curing infected workstations when they can't be infected (for all intents and purposes) by switching to ubuntu for front-line people. (ie, people who might have expensive apps installed but never need their functionality, or a license for the software)</p><p>You kill two birds with one stone that way. You make the environment more secure and more uniform, as well as ensuring license compliance.</p><p>It's really more about how you sell the alternatives, rather than selling the need to be compliant. Convince him he'll save or make money with these changes, and you're more likely to get your RFP approved.</p><p>Or wait till the backup jobs fail in a most epic way, and when the server goes down explain that symantec/hp/dell/mcaffee just won't support an expired license, or a pirated serial, and that you can't do anything, because he didn't give you the tools you needed to keep the environment functioning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is pretty much the best way to go .
But do n't bring it up as a compliance issue .
" We did n't buy these things so we need to switch to free stuff !
" will never sell.Instead , convince them about productivity and security of free software .
Tell how many fewer hours you 'll spend curing infected workstations when they ca n't be infected ( for all intents and purposes ) by switching to ubuntu for front-line people .
( ie , people who might have expensive apps installed but never need their functionality , or a license for the software ) You kill two birds with one stone that way .
You make the environment more secure and more uniform , as well as ensuring license compliance.It 's really more about how you sell the alternatives , rather than selling the need to be compliant .
Convince him he 'll save or make money with these changes , and you 're more likely to get your RFP approved.Or wait till the backup jobs fail in a most epic way , and when the server goes down explain that symantec/hp/dell/mcaffee just wo n't support an expired license , or a pirated serial , and that you ca n't do anything , because he did n't give you the tools you needed to keep the environment functioning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is pretty much the best way to go.
But don't bring it up as a compliance issue.
"We didn't buy these things so we need to switch to free stuff!
" will never sell.Instead, convince them about productivity and security of free software.
Tell how many fewer hours you'll spend curing infected workstations when they can't be infected (for all intents and purposes) by switching to ubuntu for front-line people.
(ie, people who might have expensive apps installed but never need their functionality, or a license for the software)You kill two birds with one stone that way.
You make the environment more secure and more uniform, as well as ensuring license compliance.It's really more about how you sell the alternatives, rather than selling the need to be compliant.
Convince him he'll save or make money with these changes, and you're more likely to get your RFP approved.Or wait till the backup jobs fail in a most epic way, and when the server goes down explain that symantec/hp/dell/mcaffee just won't support an expired license, or a pirated serial, and that you can't do anything, because he didn't give you the tools you needed to keep the environment functioning.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090166</id>
	<title>Buy new copies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258142520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>most people have already stated the obvious, that you're aware (thus ignorance isn't an option), the company is aware of your knowledge (so you'll be suspected).</p><p>Your other option is to FIX the problem one fix at a time.</p><p>When a new computer is requested, include the cost of software with the purchase (or say "we'll need to purchase a copy").</p><p>This is by far the slowest response, and I'd combine the solution with FOSS options (AVG, etc), but it'll eventually get them up to date.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>most people have already stated the obvious , that you 're aware ( thus ignorance is n't an option ) , the company is aware of your knowledge ( so you 'll be suspected ) .Your other option is to FIX the problem one fix at a time.When a new computer is requested , include the cost of software with the purchase ( or say " we 'll need to purchase a copy " ) .This is by far the slowest response , and I 'd combine the solution with FOSS options ( AVG , etc ) , but it 'll eventually get them up to date .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>most people have already stated the obvious, that you're aware (thus ignorance isn't an option), the company is aware of your knowledge (so you'll be suspected).Your other option is to FIX the problem one fix at a time.When a new computer is requested, include the cost of software with the purchase (or say "we'll need to purchase a copy").This is by far the slowest response, and I'd combine the solution with FOSS options (AVG, etc), but it'll eventually get them up to date.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088670</id>
	<title>rat them out!</title>
	<author>newdsfornerds</author>
	<datestamp>1258136940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was in this situation once and I flatly refused to install the unlicensed software.

If you have mentioned the issue to management, they already see you as someone they can't trust.

You may as well report them to <a href="https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspx" title="bsa.org" rel="nofollow">https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspx</a> [bsa.org] or the like, because your days are numbered at this company.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was in this situation once and I flatly refused to install the unlicensed software .
If you have mentioned the issue to management , they already see you as someone they ca n't trust .
You may as well report them to https : //reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspx [ bsa.org ] or the like , because your days are numbered at this company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was in this situation once and I flatly refused to install the unlicensed software.
If you have mentioned the issue to management, they already see you as someone they can't trust.
You may as well report them to https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspx [bsa.org] or the like, because your days are numbered at this company.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088992</id>
	<title>maybe I've been lucky</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but my policy on this is to not install pirated/mislicensed software.  In three IT jobs, none of them have pushed me to "just do it anyway", but maybe I'm just fortunate that way.</p><p>That being said, about 50\% of the time they just got one of my coworkers to do it instead, and quit asking me to pirate things for them.  And about 20\% of the time they actually bought the software, found a free alternative, or did without.</p><p>It'd take a pretty stupid manager to press such an issue to the point of firing you.  That'd make for an entertainingly short discussion at your unemployment review, and would start a rather heavy boulder rolling.</p><p>The new windows tech here is having quite an annoying time trying to sort out all the pirated software that the previous tech was using.  He too refuses to help with piracy, and I've simply advised him to tell the managers here we need to buy xxx.  And if they say we already have it, just point out it's pirated and we can't use it.  I don't think they'll have a problem with replacing the pirated software with legit.  I'm glad I don't work somewhere where the CIO is a "pirate wherever you can to save a buck".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but my policy on this is to not install pirated/mislicensed software .
In three IT jobs , none of them have pushed me to " just do it anyway " , but maybe I 'm just fortunate that way.That being said , about 50 \ % of the time they just got one of my coworkers to do it instead , and quit asking me to pirate things for them .
And about 20 \ % of the time they actually bought the software , found a free alternative , or did without.It 'd take a pretty stupid manager to press such an issue to the point of firing you .
That 'd make for an entertainingly short discussion at your unemployment review , and would start a rather heavy boulder rolling.The new windows tech here is having quite an annoying time trying to sort out all the pirated software that the previous tech was using .
He too refuses to help with piracy , and I 've simply advised him to tell the managers here we need to buy xxx .
And if they say we already have it , just point out it 's pirated and we ca n't use it .
I do n't think they 'll have a problem with replacing the pirated software with legit .
I 'm glad I do n't work somewhere where the CIO is a " pirate wherever you can to save a buck " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but my policy on this is to not install pirated/mislicensed software.
In three IT jobs, none of them have pushed me to "just do it anyway", but maybe I'm just fortunate that way.That being said, about 50\% of the time they just got one of my coworkers to do it instead, and quit asking me to pirate things for them.
And about 20\% of the time they actually bought the software, found a free alternative, or did without.It'd take a pretty stupid manager to press such an issue to the point of firing you.
That'd make for an entertainingly short discussion at your unemployment review, and would start a rather heavy boulder rolling.The new windows tech here is having quite an annoying time trying to sort out all the pirated software that the previous tech was using.
He too refuses to help with piracy, and I've simply advised him to tell the managers here we need to buy xxx.
And if they say we already have it, just point out it's pirated and we can't use it.
I don't think they'll have a problem with replacing the pirated software with legit.
I'm glad I don't work somewhere where the CIO is a "pirate wherever you can to save a buck".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089150</id>
	<title>Send this link...</title>
	<author>grub</author>
	<datestamp>1258138860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>Send this very informative link to your management.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Don't Copy that Floppy!</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Send this very informative link to your management .
Do n't Copy that Floppy !
[ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Send this very informative link to your management.
Don't Copy that Floppy!
[youtube.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088948</id>
	<title>Report them to the Business Software Alliance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can remain anonymous and collect money for reporting depending on a variety of factors:<br>https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspx</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can remain anonymous and collect money for reporting depending on a variety of factors : https : //reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspx</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can remain anonymous and collect money for reporting depending on a variety of factors:https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspx</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089666</id>
	<title>Why are you using Winzip?</title>
	<author>Celt</author>
	<datestamp>1258140720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously...winzip sucks use 7zip instead, its free, opensource and provides alot more options and imho better compression then winzip</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously...winzip sucks use 7zip instead , its free , opensource and provides alot more options and imho better compression then winzip</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously...winzip sucks use 7zip instead, its free, opensource and provides alot more options and imho better compression then winzip</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090532</id>
	<title>Re:Common cause of termination in bad startups</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1258143960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The 95\% of the technology startups in our town are laughingly underfunded</p></div></blockquote><p>Having seen a few startups, and read the descriptions of many more, I suspect the opposite is true: 95\% of the technology startups have utterly no clue when it comes to budgeting and financial matters, little or business sense or skills, and no interest in learning.  'Underfunding' is a symptom, not a cause.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The 95 \ % of the technology startups in our town are laughingly underfundedHaving seen a few startups , and read the descriptions of many more , I suspect the opposite is true : 95 \ % of the technology startups have utterly no clue when it comes to budgeting and financial matters , little or business sense or skills , and no interest in learning .
'Underfunding ' is a symptom , not a cause .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 95\% of the technology startups in our town are laughingly underfundedHaving seen a few startups, and read the descriptions of many more, I suspect the opposite is true: 95\% of the technology startups have utterly no clue when it comes to budgeting and financial matters, little or business sense or skills, and no interest in learning.
'Underfunding' is a symptom, not a cause.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088710</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088868</id>
	<title>Protect yourself?</title>
	<author>SocPres</author>
	<datestamp>1258137780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First, don't post the question using what looks like a username alias for your real name.
<p>
Second, don't mention the specific software in question.
</p><p>
Third, find a new job <i>quickly</i> now that this information is out.
</p><p>
I'm not a lawyer, but isn't the idea behind a corporation such that individuals are not held legally responsible for crap like this, but the company as a whole is?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , do n't post the question using what looks like a username alias for your real name .
Second , do n't mention the specific software in question .
Third , find a new job quickly now that this information is out .
I 'm not a lawyer , but is n't the idea behind a corporation such that individuals are not held legally responsible for crap like this , but the company as a whole is ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, don't post the question using what looks like a username alias for your real name.
Second, don't mention the specific software in question.
Third, find a new job quickly now that this information is out.
I'm not a lawyer, but isn't the idea behind a corporation such that individuals are not held legally responsible for crap like this, but the company as a whole is?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088680</id>
	<title>How much do you like your job?</title>
	<author>nweaver</author>
	<datestamp>1258136940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you don't like your job, get a new one and then as you leave, snitch to the BSA for the bounty money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do n't like your job , get a new one and then as you leave , snitch to the BSA for the bounty money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you don't like your job, get a new one and then as you leave, snitch to the BSA for the bounty money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089910</id>
	<title>Stand up for what's right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258141560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One poster said "your goal here is not retribution, it's job and career security."</p><p>I understand people have families and have big fears of losing their jobs, but I say well done to you for wanting to do the right thing and not just thinking of yourself.</p><p>The same people who would stand by corporate theft of software are the same people who would work for a company who manufactures their stuff in sweat shops. Extreme example? Maybe. True? Most definitely. They don't have the balls to stand up for what they believe and instead reinforce the attitude with each other that it's ok to think only of yourself. Cowards. Screw them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One poster said " your goal here is not retribution , it 's job and career security .
" I understand people have families and have big fears of losing their jobs , but I say well done to you for wanting to do the right thing and not just thinking of yourself.The same people who would stand by corporate theft of software are the same people who would work for a company who manufactures their stuff in sweat shops .
Extreme example ?
Maybe. True ?
Most definitely .
They do n't have the balls to stand up for what they believe and instead reinforce the attitude with each other that it 's ok to think only of yourself .
Cowards. Screw them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One poster said "your goal here is not retribution, it's job and career security.
"I understand people have families and have big fears of losing their jobs, but I say well done to you for wanting to do the right thing and not just thinking of yourself.The same people who would stand by corporate theft of software are the same people who would work for a company who manufactures their stuff in sweat shops.
Extreme example?
Maybe. True?
Most definitely.
They don't have the balls to stand up for what they believe and instead reinforce the attitude with each other that it's ok to think only of yourself.
Cowards. Screw them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091312</id>
	<title>Time for a new job</title>
	<author>snoig</author>
	<datestamp>1258104240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>As someone who has been there and done that, my advice is to start activly looking for a new job today.  It's one thing if management doesn't know what's going on but it's different if they know and don't care.  In my case, I mentioned in several meetings that I needed to get legal and when my next review came around they needed someone with a different skill set.  My two reviews before that were above average.

The point is that if they are to cheap to get legal they are also to cheap to give you raises and support you and your job in other ways.  Other places where I have worked that had no pirated software policies in place also had HR policies in place for cost of living and merit raises that were fair to the employee.  Just get out of that place as fast as you can and you will be glad you did.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who has been there and done that , my advice is to start activly looking for a new job today .
It 's one thing if management does n't know what 's going on but it 's different if they know and do n't care .
In my case , I mentioned in several meetings that I needed to get legal and when my next review came around they needed someone with a different skill set .
My two reviews before that were above average .
The point is that if they are to cheap to get legal they are also to cheap to give you raises and support you and your job in other ways .
Other places where I have worked that had no pirated software policies in place also had HR policies in place for cost of living and merit raises that were fair to the employee .
Just get out of that place as fast as you can and you will be glad you did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who has been there and done that, my advice is to start activly looking for a new job today.
It's one thing if management doesn't know what's going on but it's different if they know and don't care.
In my case, I mentioned in several meetings that I needed to get legal and when my next review came around they needed someone with a different skill set.
My two reviews before that were above average.
The point is that if they are to cheap to get legal they are also to cheap to give you raises and support you and your job in other ways.
Other places where I have worked that had no pirated software policies in place also had HR policies in place for cost of living and merit raises that were fair to the employee.
Just get out of that place as fast as you can and you will be glad you did.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30092780</id>
	<title>What should you do?</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1258112460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What does one do when a good portion of the application software at your workplace is pirated?</p></div></blockquote><p>Make him read articles which show how much <i>inadvertant</i> copyright infringement has cost companies, and mention that he's doing it willfully so the BSA members would show absolutely no mercy in his case.</p><blockquote><div><p>Nevertheless I have been called on to install dubious software on multiple occasions.</p></div></blockquote><p>Are you an engineer? If so you had to have taken ethics at some point. The answer is obvious: refuse to contribute to their felonious actions.<br>Need office, but don't want to pay for it? Show him OpenOffice.org and KOffice.  If you want "free" software, choose <i>free</i> software. Don't "steal"[sic] encumbered software.</p><p>A CD-R is not proof of purchase -- obviously. Hell, during BSA raids they don't even consider a CoA to be proof of purchase.</p><blockquote><div><p> As for shareware, what strategies do you use to convince management to allow the purchase of commonly used utilities?</p></div></blockquote><p>osalt.</p><p>Need Winzip? Check out 7zip.</p><blockquote><div><p>If an installation of WinZip reports thousands of uses, I think the software developer deserves a bit o' coin for it.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yeah, or the owner of the business needs to pay a fine or go to jail.</p><blockquote><div><p> When I told management that WinZip has a timeout counter that counts off one second per file previously opened, they tried to implement a policy of wait for it, do something else, and come back later, rather than spend the money.</p></div></blockquote><p>. . . which is more costly than paying for the software.</p><blockquote><div><p>Also, some software is free for home and educational use only, like AVG Free. What do you when management ignores this?</p></div></blockquote><p>You document it, inform your manager they have no choice but to correct the issue, and blow the whistle to the BSA and to the copyright holders. When they fire you in retaliation, bring all the documentation to a good attorney and collect a minimum of several years' salary. Not paying a few thousand for software will cost your boss hundreds of thousands in statutory fines PLUS several years of your salary when he retailiates by firing you.</p><p>Copyright holders get their due. You get paid time off, and the unethical businessman is put out on the street and his business will probably be siezed and/or closed down. Everybody wins!</p><p>Why "steal"[sic] software when there are free alternatives that do the job perfectly well?</p></div>
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<tokenext>What does one do when a good portion of the application software at your workplace is pirated ? Make him read articles which show how much inadvertant copyright infringement has cost companies , and mention that he 's doing it willfully so the BSA members would show absolutely no mercy in his case.Nevertheless I have been called on to install dubious software on multiple occasions.Are you an engineer ?
If so you had to have taken ethics at some point .
The answer is obvious : refuse to contribute to their felonious actions.Need office , but do n't want to pay for it ?
Show him OpenOffice.org and KOffice .
If you want " free " software , choose free software .
Do n't " steal " [ sic ] encumbered software.A CD-R is not proof of purchase -- obviously .
Hell , during BSA raids they do n't even consider a CoA to be proof of purchase .
As for shareware , what strategies do you use to convince management to allow the purchase of commonly used utilities ? osalt.Need Winzip ?
Check out 7zip.If an installation of WinZip reports thousands of uses , I think the software developer deserves a bit o ' coin for it.Yeah , or the owner of the business needs to pay a fine or go to jail .
When I told management that WinZip has a timeout counter that counts off one second per file previously opened , they tried to implement a policy of wait for it , do something else , and come back later , rather than spend the money.. . .
which is more costly than paying for the software.Also , some software is free for home and educational use only , like AVG Free .
What do you when management ignores this ? You document it , inform your manager they have no choice but to correct the issue , and blow the whistle to the BSA and to the copyright holders .
When they fire you in retaliation , bring all the documentation to a good attorney and collect a minimum of several years ' salary .
Not paying a few thousand for software will cost your boss hundreds of thousands in statutory fines PLUS several years of your salary when he retailiates by firing you.Copyright holders get their due .
You get paid time off , and the unethical businessman is put out on the street and his business will probably be siezed and/or closed down .
Everybody wins ! Why " steal " [ sic ] software when there are free alternatives that do the job perfectly well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does one do when a good portion of the application software at your workplace is pirated?Make him read articles which show how much inadvertant copyright infringement has cost companies, and mention that he's doing it willfully so the BSA members would show absolutely no mercy in his case.Nevertheless I have been called on to install dubious software on multiple occasions.Are you an engineer?
If so you had to have taken ethics at some point.
The answer is obvious: refuse to contribute to their felonious actions.Need office, but don't want to pay for it?
Show him OpenOffice.org and KOffice.
If you want "free" software, choose free software.
Don't "steal"[sic] encumbered software.A CD-R is not proof of purchase -- obviously.
Hell, during BSA raids they don't even consider a CoA to be proof of purchase.
As for shareware, what strategies do you use to convince management to allow the purchase of commonly used utilities?osalt.Need Winzip?
Check out 7zip.If an installation of WinZip reports thousands of uses, I think the software developer deserves a bit o' coin for it.Yeah, or the owner of the business needs to pay a fine or go to jail.
When I told management that WinZip has a timeout counter that counts off one second per file previously opened, they tried to implement a policy of wait for it, do something else, and come back later, rather than spend the money.. . .
which is more costly than paying for the software.Also, some software is free for home and educational use only, like AVG Free.
What do you when management ignores this?You document it, inform your manager they have no choice but to correct the issue, and blow the whistle to the BSA and to the copyright holders.
When they fire you in retaliation, bring all the documentation to a good attorney and collect a minimum of several years' salary.
Not paying a few thousand for software will cost your boss hundreds of thousands in statutory fines PLUS several years of your salary when he retailiates by firing you.Copyright holders get their due.
You get paid time off, and the unethical businessman is put out on the street and his business will probably be siezed and/or closed down.
Everybody wins!Why "steal"[sic] software when there are free alternatives that do the job perfectly well?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30092120</id>
	<title>Re:Change in some Policies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258108440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>First off, you shouldn't need to use Winzip, every computer since like Windows 95 has had its own method of compression to send files. Toss that out, and just use the right click "Send to compressed (zip) folder".</p></div></blockquote><p>Every <i>Windows</i> OS since WinXP (and it might of even been one of the Service Packs) had <i>minimal</i> zip support.</p><p>Every <i>Linux|Unix</i> in my lifetime has had full TAR, ZIP, GZIP and BZIP functionality at the command prompt. And so does <i>Windows</i> if using Cygwin or GNU UnxUtils.</p></div>
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<tokenext>First off , you should n't need to use Winzip , every computer since like Windows 95 has had its own method of compression to send files .
Toss that out , and just use the right click " Send to compressed ( zip ) folder " .Every Windows OS since WinXP ( and it might of even been one of the Service Packs ) had minimal zip support.Every Linux | Unix in my lifetime has had full TAR , ZIP , GZIP and BZIP functionality at the command prompt .
And so does Windows if using Cygwin or GNU UnxUtils .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, you shouldn't need to use Winzip, every computer since like Windows 95 has had its own method of compression to send files.
Toss that out, and just use the right click "Send to compressed (zip) folder".Every Windows OS since WinXP (and it might of even been one of the Service Packs) had minimal zip support.Every Linux|Unix in my lifetime has had full TAR, ZIP, GZIP and BZIP functionality at the command prompt.
And so does Windows if using Cygwin or GNU UnxUtils.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090096</id>
	<title>What I Would Do</title>
	<author>EndlessNameless</author>
	<datestamp>1258142280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Send out an email to the entire company asking for licenses, CDs, and product keys for a license reconciliation.</p><p>Before or during this time, send out resumes. Do not proceed until you have another job lined up.</p><p>Send another email enumerating all of the unlicensed software. This can be sent to management only if you prefer (but be sure to include everyone in the chain of command above you up to the president/officer level). Retain hard copies of any messages and responses---you won't want to advertise that you're retaining copies though.</p><p>Your email should include numbers---e.g., we have XXX copies of Microsoft Office XP installed and only YY valid licenses/keys. Conclude with a list of products and the number of licenses of each that must be purchased in order to be legal.</p><p>Await shit storm. Remember licenses will always have some hardcopy either in the form of a key code, certificate of authenticity, or printout from the vendor web site. If necessary, send out a followup with amended numbers once they provide documentation of additional licenses.</p><p>Eventually, they will either buy all the necessary licenses or tell you not to worry about it. At this point, you resign and take your new job.</p><p>*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*</p><p>If they bought the licenses, your resume can now include "improved license tracking, software license validation, and asset reconciliation". Congratulations on the new skill set and your new job.</p><p>If they did not buy the licenses, you can call the BSA. I believe they have some sort of reward program for whistle blowers. Congratulations on the windfall and your new job.</p><p>Oh yeah... Be sure to retouch upon the licensing issue every week or two until you resign as a demonstration of due diligence. This ensures that management is aware of the issue and it is their negligence rather than your own which lead to any license violations.</p><p>Either way, you win as long as you play your cards right and plan ahead. Good luck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Send out an email to the entire company asking for licenses , CDs , and product keys for a license reconciliation.Before or during this time , send out resumes .
Do not proceed until you have another job lined up.Send another email enumerating all of the unlicensed software .
This can be sent to management only if you prefer ( but be sure to include everyone in the chain of command above you up to the president/officer level ) .
Retain hard copies of any messages and responses---you wo n't want to advertise that you 're retaining copies though.Your email should include numbers---e.g. , we have XXX copies of Microsoft Office XP installed and only YY valid licenses/keys .
Conclude with a list of products and the number of licenses of each that must be purchased in order to be legal.Await shit storm .
Remember licenses will always have some hardcopy either in the form of a key code , certificate of authenticity , or printout from the vendor web site .
If necessary , send out a followup with amended numbers once they provide documentation of additional licenses.Eventually , they will either buy all the necessary licenses or tell you not to worry about it .
At this point , you resign and take your new job .
* - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * If they bought the licenses , your resume can now include " improved license tracking , software license validation , and asset reconciliation " .
Congratulations on the new skill set and your new job.If they did not buy the licenses , you can call the BSA .
I believe they have some sort of reward program for whistle blowers .
Congratulations on the windfall and your new job.Oh yeah... Be sure to retouch upon the licensing issue every week or two until you resign as a demonstration of due diligence .
This ensures that management is aware of the issue and it is their negligence rather than your own which lead to any license violations.Either way , you win as long as you play your cards right and plan ahead .
Good luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Send out an email to the entire company asking for licenses, CDs, and product keys for a license reconciliation.Before or during this time, send out resumes.
Do not proceed until you have another job lined up.Send another email enumerating all of the unlicensed software.
This can be sent to management only if you prefer (but be sure to include everyone in the chain of command above you up to the president/officer level).
Retain hard copies of any messages and responses---you won't want to advertise that you're retaining copies though.Your email should include numbers---e.g., we have XXX copies of Microsoft Office XP installed and only YY valid licenses/keys.
Conclude with a list of products and the number of licenses of each that must be purchased in order to be legal.Await shit storm.
Remember licenses will always have some hardcopy either in the form of a key code, certificate of authenticity, or printout from the vendor web site.
If necessary, send out a followup with amended numbers once they provide documentation of additional licenses.Eventually, they will either buy all the necessary licenses or tell you not to worry about it.
At this point, you resign and take your new job.
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*If they bought the licenses, your resume can now include "improved license tracking, software license validation, and asset reconciliation".
Congratulations on the new skill set and your new job.If they did not buy the licenses, you can call the BSA.
I believe they have some sort of reward program for whistle blowers.
Congratulations on the windfall and your new job.Oh yeah... Be sure to retouch upon the licensing issue every week or two until you resign as a demonstration of due diligence.
This ensures that management is aware of the issue and it is their negligence rather than your own which lead to any license violations.Either way, you win as long as you play your cards right and plan ahead.
Good luck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088546</id>
	<title>Your answer is at http://www.monster.com</title>
	<author>Art Popp</author>
	<datestamp>1258136520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can see two honorable paths here:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; You can find them FOSS substitutes for their existing software.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; You can find another job.</p><p>If you want to be optimistic you can stand your ground with the managers and state:  "I will not install software unless I'm certain we have a proper license for it."  And see if they show you the door, or attempt to find some kind of compromise.  People that take the time to look seriously at Open Office often like what they find.  So there is a slim hope, but odds are, these are not the class of people you want to make a career with, and you'll be happier working somewhere that ethical compromises are not a daily expectation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see two honorable paths here :         You can find them FOSS substitutes for their existing software .
        You can find another job.If you want to be optimistic you can stand your ground with the managers and state : " I will not install software unless I 'm certain we have a proper license for it .
" And see if they show you the door , or attempt to find some kind of compromise .
People that take the time to look seriously at Open Office often like what they find .
So there is a slim hope , but odds are , these are not the class of people you want to make a career with , and you 'll be happier working somewhere that ethical compromises are not a daily expectation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see two honorable paths here:
        You can find them FOSS substitutes for their existing software.
        You can find another job.If you want to be optimistic you can stand your ground with the managers and state:  "I will not install software unless I'm certain we have a proper license for it.
"  And see if they show you the door, or attempt to find some kind of compromise.
People that take the time to look seriously at Open Office often like what they find.
So there is a slim hope, but odds are, these are not the class of people you want to make a career with, and you'll be happier working somewhere that ethical compromises are not a daily expectation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089010</id>
	<title>Seems like consensus</title>
	<author>kiwimate</author>
	<datestamp>1258138320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone is saying dob them in because they're dishonest/lacking ethics/etc., and nobody is calling you out on calling it piracy rather than copyright infringement. I wish the average slashdotter was so upstanding when it came to discussions on pirating music and movies.</p><p>Seriously...what's the difference?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone is saying dob them in because they 're dishonest/lacking ethics/etc. , and nobody is calling you out on calling it piracy rather than copyright infringement .
I wish the average slashdotter was so upstanding when it came to discussions on pirating music and movies.Seriously...what 's the difference ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone is saying dob them in because they're dishonest/lacking ethics/etc., and nobody is calling you out on calling it piracy rather than copyright infringement.
I wish the average slashdotter was so upstanding when it came to discussions on pirating music and movies.Seriously...what's the difference?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090328</id>
	<title>You have to approach it differently.</title>
	<author>Beardo the Bearded</author>
	<datestamp>1258143180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are two major components here to consider:</p><p>1. You want to stop the piracy.</p><p>2. You do not want to be blamed for it.</p><p>What you have to do to fix these two problems simultaneously is to present a business case. The BSA will fine your company X dollars when you get found out. Find out what X will be. Remind your boss that whomever reports the business to the BSA will get a percentage of X dollars. "I'm perfectly happy here, but do you have anyone in the entire company that's upset? Has anyone been fired? Does anyone hold a grudge against us? Will anyone ever be upset with us?"</p><p>Present solutions, such as "implementing 7-Zip instead of WinZIP will cost $0 materially and deploy in one week. This will save us $Y in labour per year, creating a ROI of ($Y / time it will take you * hourly wage) in one year.</p><p>You can come up with other solutions for the other products. You might have to licence the software if they will not move on the products. You can usually get site licences for AVG, Office, etc. My company buys the licence by the boatload. (i.e. everything is a site licence)<br>This will fix the problems with overlicencing (the most common form of piracy)</p><p>Make graphs. Bosses like graphs that tell them when they start making money off a venture. "Switching to this allows for an increase in productivity, giving us an ROI of Z after 6 months." Use Microsoft's data.</p><p>It is simply unacceptable to continue in this manner. You are breaking laws, and doing so commercially. It is one thing to download a cracked version of PhotoShop to participate on Fark / Photoshop Phriday on your home computer or download mp3s for your own amusement. It is a completely different situation to install unlicenced software on a work computer that is being used to make money. The latter is commercial copyright fraud, and it is a Federal Crime in the US. (As far as I know; I'm Canadian and not a lawyer.)</p><p>You can fix the problem. That's how to do it.</p><p>That's the easy part. The second part is in not getting blamed for the piracy after you leave. If you leave unexpectedly, perhaps 10-15 minutes after presenting your case to the boss, then you will assuredly be pointed at as the cause of the problems. "Oh, I'm not too good with computers. Mr. Smith came in and talked to me about how much we could be saving, something about piracy, and then he was installing this one copy of Office on all the computers."</p><p>Now, let's say you go into your boss and he says, "Get... out... you're fired." Tell him, "I am trying to keep you and this company out of jail and bankruptcy. What we are doing is against the law."</p><p>Resist the temptation to say, "I have copies of all these emails." That's for later.</p><p>So you must: Document, document, document! There's a reason that email programs have BCC on them, and THIS IS THE TIME TO USE IT. BCC your personal email account so you have a record of all these emails. If you get fired, let's say two months later, ostensibly "for no reason, but we're moving in a new direction", you can look at the first severance offer carefully. Then reply, "It looks pretty bad that you are firing me just two months after I told you to stop pirating software. I've got copies of every email I sent you, telling you to stop breaking the law. I've brought this up at company meetings in front of lots of disgruntled former staff that owe you no favours. I would get $X from the BSA if I call them on my cell once I leave the building. What's your \_real\_ severance package?" (The CEO laughed and said, "fuck, all this time I thought you were just a pushover.")</p><p>And that is basically how I lost my first job out of University. They're bankrupt now, but that was due to an unsustainable business model, not anything I did.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are two major components here to consider : 1 .
You want to stop the piracy.2 .
You do not want to be blamed for it.What you have to do to fix these two problems simultaneously is to present a business case .
The BSA will fine your company X dollars when you get found out .
Find out what X will be .
Remind your boss that whomever reports the business to the BSA will get a percentage of X dollars .
" I 'm perfectly happy here , but do you have anyone in the entire company that 's upset ?
Has anyone been fired ?
Does anyone hold a grudge against us ?
Will anyone ever be upset with us ?
" Present solutions , such as " implementing 7-Zip instead of WinZIP will cost $ 0 materially and deploy in one week .
This will save us $ Y in labour per year , creating a ROI of ( $ Y / time it will take you * hourly wage ) in one year.You can come up with other solutions for the other products .
You might have to licence the software if they will not move on the products .
You can usually get site licences for AVG , Office , etc .
My company buys the licence by the boatload .
( i.e. everything is a site licence ) This will fix the problems with overlicencing ( the most common form of piracy ) Make graphs .
Bosses like graphs that tell them when they start making money off a venture .
" Switching to this allows for an increase in productivity , giving us an ROI of Z after 6 months .
" Use Microsoft 's data.It is simply unacceptable to continue in this manner .
You are breaking laws , and doing so commercially .
It is one thing to download a cracked version of PhotoShop to participate on Fark / Photoshop Phriday on your home computer or download mp3s for your own amusement .
It is a completely different situation to install unlicenced software on a work computer that is being used to make money .
The latter is commercial copyright fraud , and it is a Federal Crime in the US .
( As far as I know ; I 'm Canadian and not a lawyer .
) You can fix the problem .
That 's how to do it.That 's the easy part .
The second part is in not getting blamed for the piracy after you leave .
If you leave unexpectedly , perhaps 10-15 minutes after presenting your case to the boss , then you will assuredly be pointed at as the cause of the problems .
" Oh , I 'm not too good with computers .
Mr. Smith came in and talked to me about how much we could be saving , something about piracy , and then he was installing this one copy of Office on all the computers .
" Now , let 's say you go into your boss and he says , " Get... out... you 're fired .
" Tell him , " I am trying to keep you and this company out of jail and bankruptcy .
What we are doing is against the law .
" Resist the temptation to say , " I have copies of all these emails .
" That 's for later.So you must : Document , document , document !
There 's a reason that email programs have BCC on them , and THIS IS THE TIME TO USE IT .
BCC your personal email account so you have a record of all these emails .
If you get fired , let 's say two months later , ostensibly " for no reason , but we 're moving in a new direction " , you can look at the first severance offer carefully .
Then reply , " It looks pretty bad that you are firing me just two months after I told you to stop pirating software .
I 've got copies of every email I sent you , telling you to stop breaking the law .
I 've brought this up at company meetings in front of lots of disgruntled former staff that owe you no favours .
I would get $ X from the BSA if I call them on my cell once I leave the building .
What 's your \ _real \ _ severance package ?
" ( The CEO laughed and said , " fuck , all this time I thought you were just a pushover .
" ) And that is basically how I lost my first job out of University .
They 're bankrupt now , but that was due to an unsustainable business model , not anything I did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are two major components here to consider:1.
You want to stop the piracy.2.
You do not want to be blamed for it.What you have to do to fix these two problems simultaneously is to present a business case.
The BSA will fine your company X dollars when you get found out.
Find out what X will be.
Remind your boss that whomever reports the business to the BSA will get a percentage of X dollars.
"I'm perfectly happy here, but do you have anyone in the entire company that's upset?
Has anyone been fired?
Does anyone hold a grudge against us?
Will anyone ever be upset with us?
"Present solutions, such as "implementing 7-Zip instead of WinZIP will cost $0 materially and deploy in one week.
This will save us $Y in labour per year, creating a ROI of ($Y / time it will take you * hourly wage) in one year.You can come up with other solutions for the other products.
You might have to licence the software if they will not move on the products.
You can usually get site licences for AVG, Office, etc.
My company buys the licence by the boatload.
(i.e. everything is a site licence)This will fix the problems with overlicencing (the most common form of piracy)Make graphs.
Bosses like graphs that tell them when they start making money off a venture.
"Switching to this allows for an increase in productivity, giving us an ROI of Z after 6 months.
" Use Microsoft's data.It is simply unacceptable to continue in this manner.
You are breaking laws, and doing so commercially.
It is one thing to download a cracked version of PhotoShop to participate on Fark / Photoshop Phriday on your home computer or download mp3s for your own amusement.
It is a completely different situation to install unlicenced software on a work computer that is being used to make money.
The latter is commercial copyright fraud, and it is a Federal Crime in the US.
(As far as I know; I'm Canadian and not a lawyer.
)You can fix the problem.
That's how to do it.That's the easy part.
The second part is in not getting blamed for the piracy after you leave.
If you leave unexpectedly, perhaps 10-15 minutes after presenting your case to the boss, then you will assuredly be pointed at as the cause of the problems.
"Oh, I'm not too good with computers.
Mr. Smith came in and talked to me about how much we could be saving, something about piracy, and then he was installing this one copy of Office on all the computers.
"Now, let's say you go into your boss and he says, "Get... out... you're fired.
" Tell him, "I am trying to keep you and this company out of jail and bankruptcy.
What we are doing is against the law.
"Resist the temptation to say, "I have copies of all these emails.
" That's for later.So you must: Document, document, document!
There's a reason that email programs have BCC on them, and THIS IS THE TIME TO USE IT.
BCC your personal email account so you have a record of all these emails.
If you get fired, let's say two months later, ostensibly "for no reason, but we're moving in a new direction", you can look at the first severance offer carefully.
Then reply, "It looks pretty bad that you are firing me just two months after I told you to stop pirating software.
I've got copies of every email I sent you, telling you to stop breaking the law.
I've brought this up at company meetings in front of lots of disgruntled former staff that owe you no favours.
I would get $X from the BSA if I call them on my cell once I leave the building.
What's your \_real\_ severance package?
" (The CEO laughed and said, "fuck, all this time I thought you were just a pushover.
")And that is basically how I lost my first job out of University.
They're bankrupt now, but that was due to an unsustainable business model, not anything I did.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090782</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Petaris</author>
	<datestamp>1258145160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instead of pdfcreator I prefer CutePDF Writer ( <a href="http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp" title="cutepdf.com">http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp</a> [cutepdf.com] ) as it doesn't have as many confusing ( to non-computer literate people ) options and just works.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of pdfcreator I prefer CutePDF Writer ( http : //www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp [ cutepdf.com ] ) as it does n't have as many confusing ( to non-computer literate people ) options and just works .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of pdfcreator I prefer CutePDF Writer ( http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp [cutepdf.com] ) as it doesn't have as many confusing ( to non-computer literate people ) options and just works.
:)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089048</id>
	<title>sad, but everyhwere is like this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>every single company I have ever worked at uses pirated software... and sometimes a lot of it. you're going to be hard pressed to find a company that doesn't.. in my experience...</p><p>I worked at one place that had a mirror of usenet servers and got everything pirated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>every single company I have ever worked at uses pirated software... and sometimes a lot of it .
you 're going to be hard pressed to find a company that does n't.. in my experience...I worked at one place that had a mirror of usenet servers and got everything pirated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>every single company I have ever worked at uses pirated software... and sometimes a lot of it.
you're going to be hard pressed to find a company that doesn't.. in my experience...I worked at one place that had a mirror of usenet servers and got everything pirated.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089034</id>
	<title>the big O</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Larry Elison can be such a dick when it comes to the old software piracy question. He;s always saying, "oh, im sure we paid for all of our microsoft products."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Larry Elison can be such a dick when it comes to the old software piracy question .
He ; s always saying , " oh , im sure we paid for all of our microsoft products .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Larry Elison can be such a dick when it comes to the old software piracy question.
He;s always saying, "oh, im sure we paid for all of our microsoft products.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30125268</id>
	<title>you're doomed</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1258387140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you've already complained to the president and gotten shot down?</p><p>Any PHB with that kind of an attitude probably doesn't give two shits about ethics...and worse yet, by opening your trap you probably set off a few alarms and got a target on your back.</p><p>Get into CYA mode right now and document everything.</p><p>Oh, and start looking for a new job.  The higher ups are probably already scheming of a way to get rid of you before you cause any more trouble...part of which would come up with a plausible enough of a bullshit excuse to make sure their hands are clean.</p><p>Your next conversation should be with your lawyer.  Particularly since by your own awareness of copyright infringement you could potentially be considered an accessory.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you 've already complained to the president and gotten shot down ? Any PHB with that kind of an attitude probably does n't give two shits about ethics...and worse yet , by opening your trap you probably set off a few alarms and got a target on your back.Get into CYA mode right now and document everything.Oh , and start looking for a new job .
The higher ups are probably already scheming of a way to get rid of you before you cause any more trouble...part of which would come up with a plausible enough of a bullshit excuse to make sure their hands are clean.Your next conversation should be with your lawyer .
Particularly since by your own awareness of copyright infringement you could potentially be considered an accessory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you've already complained to the president and gotten shot down?Any PHB with that kind of an attitude probably doesn't give two shits about ethics...and worse yet, by opening your trap you probably set off a few alarms and got a target on your back.Get into CYA mode right now and document everything.Oh, and start looking for a new job.
The higher ups are probably already scheming of a way to get rid of you before you cause any more trouble...part of which would come up with a plausible enough of a bullshit excuse to make sure their hands are clean.Your next conversation should be with your lawyer.
Particularly since by your own awareness of copyright infringement you could potentially be considered an accessory.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088632</id>
	<title>Live with it or find another job</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258136880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In office environments like this, management's stand is very unlikely to change. Trying to change their minds will be an exercise in futility, so you need to just focus your decision making on whether or not you are willing to stick around and be a part of it, or would rather look for another job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In office environments like this , management 's stand is very unlikely to change .
Trying to change their minds will be an exercise in futility , so you need to just focus your decision making on whether or not you are willing to stick around and be a part of it , or would rather look for another job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In office environments like this, management's stand is very unlikely to change.
Trying to change their minds will be an exercise in futility, so you need to just focus your decision making on whether or not you are willing to stick around and be a part of it, or would rather look for another job.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090404</id>
	<title>Drop them in it after you get another job</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1258143360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You voiced your concerns so you'll be the number one target if they're reported by anyone. So look for another job and then drop them in the shit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You voiced your concerns so you 'll be the number one target if they 're reported by anyone .
So look for another job and then drop them in the shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You voiced your concerns so you'll be the number one target if they're reported by anyone.
So look for another job and then drop them in the shit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089112</id>
	<title>Re:Contact the BSA &amp; request an audit</title>
	<author>HangingChad</author>
	<datestamp>1258138680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>They have a rewards program that will pay you money for turning in your company.</i>

</p><p>If he does, upper management will blame and fire him.  If he's gone, they'll still blame him.

</p><p>So, if it's legal in your state, tape the discussion of you informing them of their illegal behavior.  Then, when they get busted and try to blame you, sue them for slander, liable and wrongful termination.  Now that's potentially some real money there.  Let them lie all the way through the depositions, then spring the tapes on them right before trial.  That should add some 000's to the settlement.

</p><p>Even if you don't go the Perry Mason route, you'll definitely want to put something in writing and keep copies.  When they get busted, they'll trying hanging this on all their former IT guys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have a rewards program that will pay you money for turning in your company .
If he does , upper management will blame and fire him .
If he 's gone , they 'll still blame him .
So , if it 's legal in your state , tape the discussion of you informing them of their illegal behavior .
Then , when they get busted and try to blame you , sue them for slander , liable and wrongful termination .
Now that 's potentially some real money there .
Let them lie all the way through the depositions , then spring the tapes on them right before trial .
That should add some 000 's to the settlement .
Even if you do n't go the Perry Mason route , you 'll definitely want to put something in writing and keep copies .
When they get busted , they 'll trying hanging this on all their former IT guys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> They have a rewards program that will pay you money for turning in your company.
If he does, upper management will blame and fire him.
If he's gone, they'll still blame him.
So, if it's legal in your state, tape the discussion of you informing them of their illegal behavior.
Then, when they get busted and try to blame you, sue them for slander, liable and wrongful termination.
Now that's potentially some real money there.
Let them lie all the way through the depositions, then spring the tapes on them right before trial.
That should add some 000's to the settlement.
Even if you don't go the Perry Mason route, you'll definitely want to put something in writing and keep copies.
When they get busted, they'll trying hanging this on all their former IT guys.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088530</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089702</id>
	<title>Pretty Crappy</title>
	<author>fwarren</author>
	<datestamp>1258140840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your president is being pretty crappy putting you in this situation. This is much like how accountants have ethical guidelines they are to follow. Management often "leans" on them tell "little white lies". In the case of accountants they are held legally liable for the documents they sign, no matter WHY they actually did it.</p><p>In your case the only group you are likely to run afoul of is the BSA. When it comes to making an example of someone, fining them and then getting them to license the software they are after your president, not you.</p><p>It's your call on how you handle it. Call the BSA and report them. Do a memo to the president and keep a copy. Explain to him that he will be held liable for fines and jail time if any disgruntled employee or competitor called the BSA. That the BSA is the FINAL arbitrator of what is legit and what is not. That your current setup will net you a perp walk on TV, the company shut down and millions in fines. (Yes, I know they will settle but that it how it starts).</p><p>You can try offering alternatives such as freeware. Moving to hosted things like google docs (look a built in backup plan).  Ultimately I would look for another job. You WILL not be happy there in the long run. If the president won't pay for software, I promise you that they will fire you when they can find someone who will do your job for less. You have just been hit with a cluestick. You are going to have to find a new job. Your president lied to you when YOU told them that the software was not legit and they said they were sure it was. They have NO ethics and no problem doing something illegal to save a buck. Firing you to replace you with someone cheaper is not nice but is is leagal, why wont they do that? The only questions is do you get to do it while you are still working and can ask for MORE money from a new employer or after you are fired and can only ask for less money.</p><p>P.S. The memo that you sent to the president. Is a get out of jail free card when you refuse to install pirate software. Because if you are let go, all you have to do is claim you were terminated in retaliation for NOT committing an illegal act. And yes, the BSA is actually right on this point. It is illegal to pirate software.</p><p>Also it bothers me when someone wearing a $500 suit and lives in a mansion want ME to pirate a copy of a $500 program when they spend more than that each month on their favorite hobby.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your president is being pretty crappy putting you in this situation .
This is much like how accountants have ethical guidelines they are to follow .
Management often " leans " on them tell " little white lies " .
In the case of accountants they are held legally liable for the documents they sign , no matter WHY they actually did it.In your case the only group you are likely to run afoul of is the BSA .
When it comes to making an example of someone , fining them and then getting them to license the software they are after your president , not you.It 's your call on how you handle it .
Call the BSA and report them .
Do a memo to the president and keep a copy .
Explain to him that he will be held liable for fines and jail time if any disgruntled employee or competitor called the BSA .
That the BSA is the FINAL arbitrator of what is legit and what is not .
That your current setup will net you a perp walk on TV , the company shut down and millions in fines .
( Yes , I know they will settle but that it how it starts ) .You can try offering alternatives such as freeware .
Moving to hosted things like google docs ( look a built in backup plan ) .
Ultimately I would look for another job .
You WILL not be happy there in the long run .
If the president wo n't pay for software , I promise you that they will fire you when they can find someone who will do your job for less .
You have just been hit with a cluestick .
You are going to have to find a new job .
Your president lied to you when YOU told them that the software was not legit and they said they were sure it was .
They have NO ethics and no problem doing something illegal to save a buck .
Firing you to replace you with someone cheaper is not nice but is is leagal , why wont they do that ?
The only questions is do you get to do it while you are still working and can ask for MORE money from a new employer or after you are fired and can only ask for less money.P.S .
The memo that you sent to the president .
Is a get out of jail free card when you refuse to install pirate software .
Because if you are let go , all you have to do is claim you were terminated in retaliation for NOT committing an illegal act .
And yes , the BSA is actually right on this point .
It is illegal to pirate software.Also it bothers me when someone wearing a $ 500 suit and lives in a mansion want ME to pirate a copy of a $ 500 program when they spend more than that each month on their favorite hobby .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your president is being pretty crappy putting you in this situation.
This is much like how accountants have ethical guidelines they are to follow.
Management often "leans" on them tell "little white lies".
In the case of accountants they are held legally liable for the documents they sign, no matter WHY they actually did it.In your case the only group you are likely to run afoul of is the BSA.
When it comes to making an example of someone, fining them and then getting them to license the software they are after your president, not you.It's your call on how you handle it.
Call the BSA and report them.
Do a memo to the president and keep a copy.
Explain to him that he will be held liable for fines and jail time if any disgruntled employee or competitor called the BSA.
That the BSA is the FINAL arbitrator of what is legit and what is not.
That your current setup will net you a perp walk on TV, the company shut down and millions in fines.
(Yes, I know they will settle but that it how it starts).You can try offering alternatives such as freeware.
Moving to hosted things like google docs (look a built in backup plan).
Ultimately I would look for another job.
You WILL not be happy there in the long run.
If the president won't pay for software, I promise you that they will fire you when they can find someone who will do your job for less.
You have just been hit with a cluestick.
You are going to have to find a new job.
Your president lied to you when YOU told them that the software was not legit and they said they were sure it was.
They have NO ethics and no problem doing something illegal to save a buck.
Firing you to replace you with someone cheaper is not nice but is is leagal, why wont they do that?
The only questions is do you get to do it while you are still working and can ask for MORE money from a new employer or after you are fired and can only ask for less money.P.S.
The memo that you sent to the president.
Is a get out of jail free card when you refuse to install pirate software.
Because if you are let go, all you have to do is claim you were terminated in retaliation for NOT committing an illegal act.
And yes, the BSA is actually right on this point.
It is illegal to pirate software.Also it bothers me when someone wearing a $500 suit and lives in a mansion want ME to pirate a copy of a $500 program when they spend more than that each month on their favorite hobby.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089090</id>
	<title>Similar question...</title>
	<author>audiophile8706</author>
	<datestamp>1258138560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I quit a job back in april with one of main reasons being their blatant use (or misuse) of unlicensed software. Especially in regards to pirated XP and Office 2007. (In an effort to "make things right" they were trying to install student editions in place of the pirated copies). I was directed several times to install this software, and just plain forced to if I dared to object to the usage.<br> <br>

Unless they cleaned up their act a lot in the last 7 months (which I highly doubt), would it be smart to contact the BSA?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I quit a job back in april with one of main reasons being their blatant use ( or misuse ) of unlicensed software .
Especially in regards to pirated XP and Office 2007 .
( In an effort to " make things right " they were trying to install student editions in place of the pirated copies ) .
I was directed several times to install this software , and just plain forced to if I dared to object to the usage .
Unless they cleaned up their act a lot in the last 7 months ( which I highly doubt ) , would it be smart to contact the BSA ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I quit a job back in april with one of main reasons being their blatant use (or misuse) of unlicensed software.
Especially in regards to pirated XP and Office 2007.
(In an effort to "make things right" they were trying to install student editions in place of the pirated copies).
I was directed several times to install this software, and just plain forced to if I dared to object to the usage.
Unless they cleaned up their act a lot in the last 7 months (which I highly doubt), would it be smart to contact the BSA?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091344</id>
	<title>Re:My job used to be like this....</title>
	<author>Imrik</author>
	<datestamp>1258104420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a decent solution, but it only works if you can convince the person in charge that there's actually a problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a decent solution , but it only works if you can convince the person in charge that there 's actually a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a decent solution, but it only works if you can convince the person in charge that there's actually a problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088712</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30095948</id>
	<title>Re:Let me get past the easy comments...</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1258192800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Best post in the entire story.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Best post in the entire story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Best post in the entire story.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089154</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30107758</id>
	<title>Document</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1258316580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Document your observations and the notice you gave to management, then go about your job and don't worry about it.</p><p>If you have a moral issue with piracy then also look for another job, but don't expect it to be much better at the new place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Document your observations and the notice you gave to management , then go about your job and do n't worry about it.If you have a moral issue with piracy then also look for another job , but do n't expect it to be much better at the new place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Document your observations and the notice you gave to management, then go about your job and don't worry about it.If you have a moral issue with piracy then also look for another job, but don't expect it to be much better at the new place.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089442</id>
	<title>Don't Copy That Floppy</title>
	<author>davetgra</author>
	<datestamp>1258139820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyAY06IcH4Y" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyAY06IcH4Y</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = fyAY06IcH4Y [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyAY06IcH4Y [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090272</id>
	<title>Not helpful...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258143060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not a single highly-rated comment I've read so far has brought up any specific legal ramifications that the employee might be able to use to make it clear to management just how dangerous to the company it is to be in this situation. I've had to make some of the same arguments with my own management people. Fortunately it's a new and small company with plenty of cash, and management is fairly reasonable. Nevertheless even after all the examples of expensive audits and fines I could come up with, they didn't really see much point when nobody else in the industry (that they know of) has ever had a fully legal license of things like Office for every single computer. In the end they basically just grumbled and went along because I was absolutely adamant about not wanting to break the law.</p><p>What the original poster needs is links to concrete information specifying just how expensive it will be if anyone ever rats on the company. I myself could only find a few articles about companies that had been audited by the BSA, never anything concrete about how much the fines end up being. One colleague from another company made a vague reference to "$10,000 per infraction" but it was in passing and I have no idea what he meant by that or who would be levying the fine.</p><p>When we're dealing with the idiots in management, we don't need vague hand-waving about how software piracy is illegal. We need specific, well-documented examples showing exactly how much financial danger the company will be in if a single disgruntled employee EVER calls up an agency like the BSA. Anyone who has such examples should be taking the time to comment. Sometimes people don't have the luxury of looking for another job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not a single highly-rated comment I 've read so far has brought up any specific legal ramifications that the employee might be able to use to make it clear to management just how dangerous to the company it is to be in this situation .
I 've had to make some of the same arguments with my own management people .
Fortunately it 's a new and small company with plenty of cash , and management is fairly reasonable .
Nevertheless even after all the examples of expensive audits and fines I could come up with , they did n't really see much point when nobody else in the industry ( that they know of ) has ever had a fully legal license of things like Office for every single computer .
In the end they basically just grumbled and went along because I was absolutely adamant about not wanting to break the law.What the original poster needs is links to concrete information specifying just how expensive it will be if anyone ever rats on the company .
I myself could only find a few articles about companies that had been audited by the BSA , never anything concrete about how much the fines end up being .
One colleague from another company made a vague reference to " $ 10,000 per infraction " but it was in passing and I have no idea what he meant by that or who would be levying the fine.When we 're dealing with the idiots in management , we do n't need vague hand-waving about how software piracy is illegal .
We need specific , well-documented examples showing exactly how much financial danger the company will be in if a single disgruntled employee EVER calls up an agency like the BSA .
Anyone who has such examples should be taking the time to comment .
Sometimes people do n't have the luxury of looking for another job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not a single highly-rated comment I've read so far has brought up any specific legal ramifications that the employee might be able to use to make it clear to management just how dangerous to the company it is to be in this situation.
I've had to make some of the same arguments with my own management people.
Fortunately it's a new and small company with plenty of cash, and management is fairly reasonable.
Nevertheless even after all the examples of expensive audits and fines I could come up with, they didn't really see much point when nobody else in the industry (that they know of) has ever had a fully legal license of things like Office for every single computer.
In the end they basically just grumbled and went along because I was absolutely adamant about not wanting to break the law.What the original poster needs is links to concrete information specifying just how expensive it will be if anyone ever rats on the company.
I myself could only find a few articles about companies that had been audited by the BSA, never anything concrete about how much the fines end up being.
One colleague from another company made a vague reference to "$10,000 per infraction" but it was in passing and I have no idea what he meant by that or who would be levying the fine.When we're dealing with the idiots in management, we don't need vague hand-waving about how software piracy is illegal.
We need specific, well-documented examples showing exactly how much financial danger the company will be in if a single disgruntled employee EVER calls up an agency like the BSA.
Anyone who has such examples should be taking the time to comment.
Sometimes people don't have the luxury of looking for another job.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088656</id>
	<title>This is a serious problem</title>
	<author>mewsenews</author>
	<datestamp>1258136880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have to go legit. There are small things you can do to help bring them in compliance, like install 7-zip rather than WinZip, but it's damning that you've been ignored by management after mentioning the problem.</p><p>I'd feel better reading about your situation if management had said "yeeeah, it's a big problem, we're working towards being legit". Bald faced denial means you have to get the hell out of there.</p><p>You are going to have to find another job. After you're out of there, you can forget all about it or report them to the BSA based on how big a dick you want to be. I'd usually never advise reporting a company to the BSA but if they've basically forced you out of your job I think it would be fair play.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have to go legit .
There are small things you can do to help bring them in compliance , like install 7-zip rather than WinZip , but it 's damning that you 've been ignored by management after mentioning the problem.I 'd feel better reading about your situation if management had said " yeeeah , it 's a big problem , we 're working towards being legit " .
Bald faced denial means you have to get the hell out of there.You are going to have to find another job .
After you 're out of there , you can forget all about it or report them to the BSA based on how big a dick you want to be .
I 'd usually never advise reporting a company to the BSA but if they 've basically forced you out of your job I think it would be fair play .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have to go legit.
There are small things you can do to help bring them in compliance, like install 7-zip rather than WinZip, but it's damning that you've been ignored by management after mentioning the problem.I'd feel better reading about your situation if management had said "yeeeah, it's a big problem, we're working towards being legit".
Bald faced denial means you have to get the hell out of there.You are going to have to find another job.
After you're out of there, you can forget all about it or report them to the BSA based on how big a dick you want to be.
I'd usually never advise reporting a company to the BSA but if they've basically forced you out of your job I think it would be fair play.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30096862</id>
	<title>Find the fall guy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258208760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Find the fall guy, the one person that would go to jail if they get sued. Talk to him/her, say something like "I'm really worried about you, I mean, if something happens, the company will be closed, I'll lose my job, but you... you'll go to JAIL!". You may see his/her face changing,<br>becoming more and more worried.</p><p>Make sure he/she hears recent stories of people in the same position as his/her going to jail for similar reasons (tv, radio, internet news, whatever).</p><p>Do not send these stories yourself or you will be seen as the cause of the problem. You have to let other worry about this, so somebody else brings the story to higher levels, takes the risk and also has a real reason to request a change (he/she can go to jail for not doing so).</p><p>Later, you can say "I agree. When he/she first mentioned this in , I went on and changed my programs to avoid using illegal software. All the programs I use now on a daily basis are legal and free. If you want, I can show them to you, and we may see what's missing so we can substitute as many as possible."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Find the fall guy , the one person that would go to jail if they get sued .
Talk to him/her , say something like " I 'm really worried about you , I mean , if something happens , the company will be closed , I 'll lose my job , but you... you 'll go to JAIL ! " .
You may see his/her face changing,becoming more and more worried.Make sure he/she hears recent stories of people in the same position as his/her going to jail for similar reasons ( tv , radio , internet news , whatever ) .Do not send these stories yourself or you will be seen as the cause of the problem .
You have to let other worry about this , so somebody else brings the story to higher levels , takes the risk and also has a real reason to request a change ( he/she can go to jail for not doing so ) .Later , you can say " I agree .
When he/she first mentioned this in , I went on and changed my programs to avoid using illegal software .
All the programs I use now on a daily basis are legal and free .
If you want , I can show them to you , and we may see what 's missing so we can substitute as many as possible .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Find the fall guy, the one person that would go to jail if they get sued.
Talk to him/her, say something like "I'm really worried about you, I mean, if something happens, the company will be closed, I'll lose my job, but you... you'll go to JAIL!".
You may see his/her face changing,becoming more and more worried.Make sure he/she hears recent stories of people in the same position as his/her going to jail for similar reasons (tv, radio, internet news, whatever).Do not send these stories yourself or you will be seen as the cause of the problem.
You have to let other worry about this, so somebody else brings the story to higher levels, takes the risk and also has a real reason to request a change (he/she can go to jail for not doing so).Later, you can say "I agree.
When he/she first mentioned this in , I went on and changed my programs to avoid using illegal software.
All the programs I use now on a daily basis are legal and free.
If you want, I can show them to you, and we may see what's missing so we can substitute as many as possible.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088896</id>
	<title>boo freakin hoo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258137840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>how about you stop being such a whiney baby.  pirated software?!  oh no!  this is computer land, proprietary software be damned.  get over it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>how about you stop being such a whiney baby .
pirated software ? !
oh no !
this is computer land , proprietary software be damned .
get over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how about you stop being such a whiney baby.
pirated software?!
oh no!
this is computer land, proprietary software be damned.
get over it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088564</id>
	<title>recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>gad\_zuki!</author>
	<datestamp>1258136580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Security essentials is free for business, so replace AVG with that:</p><p><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/" title="microsoft.com">http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/</a> [microsoft.com]</p><p>7Zip is free and OSS. Replace Winzip with that. Heck, XP has its own zip handler installed. A lot of techies assumed that XP needs a zip program because 2000 didnt have one. Get rid of it.</p><p><a href="http://www.7-zip.org/" title="7-zip.org">http://www.7-zip.org/</a> [7-zip.org]</p><p>PDFCreator is free and OSS. It can make PDFs. Most people just need to make them, not 'edit' them.</p><p><a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/" title="sourceforge.net">http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/</a> [sourceforge.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Security essentials is free for business , so replace AVG with that : http : //www.microsoft.com/Security \ _Essentials/ [ microsoft.com ] 7Zip is free and OSS .
Replace Winzip with that .
Heck , XP has its own zip handler installed .
A lot of techies assumed that XP needs a zip program because 2000 didnt have one .
Get rid of it.http : //www.7-zip.org/ [ 7-zip.org ] PDFCreator is free and OSS .
It can make PDFs .
Most people just need to make them , not 'edit ' them.http : //sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Security essentials is free for business, so replace AVG with that:http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/ [microsoft.com]7Zip is free and OSS.
Replace Winzip with that.
Heck, XP has its own zip handler installed.
A lot of techies assumed that XP needs a zip program because 2000 didnt have one.
Get rid of it.http://www.7-zip.org/ [7-zip.org]PDFCreator is free and OSS.
It can make PDFs.
Most people just need to make them, not 'edit' them.http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088666</id>
	<title>Piracy without guns and ships?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258136940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I started this post with the idea that I would make a joke similar to what RMS says about piracy requiring guns and ships but when I stopped to think about the words pirate and piracy, it <b>really is odd</b> that they're used when software is executed outside the limits of a license. It's totally reasonable in the face of ridiculous license terms to want to get past all that and just use the software. That's why we've gone from no product keys to product keys to activation and now to automatic auditing like Windows Genuine Advantage. With invasive tools like WGA that can scan your system and send who-knows-what back to the developer even holding your system hostage against bug and security fixes, I'm starting to feel like piracy is closer to what's happening on the developer side of the equation. Just another reason to shift to free(as in freedom) software...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I started this post with the idea that I would make a joke similar to what RMS says about piracy requiring guns and ships but when I stopped to think about the words pirate and piracy , it really is odd that they 're used when software is executed outside the limits of a license .
It 's totally reasonable in the face of ridiculous license terms to want to get past all that and just use the software .
That 's why we 've gone from no product keys to product keys to activation and now to automatic auditing like Windows Genuine Advantage .
With invasive tools like WGA that can scan your system and send who-knows-what back to the developer even holding your system hostage against bug and security fixes , I 'm starting to feel like piracy is closer to what 's happening on the developer side of the equation .
Just another reason to shift to free ( as in freedom ) software.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I started this post with the idea that I would make a joke similar to what RMS says about piracy requiring guns and ships but when I stopped to think about the words pirate and piracy, it really is odd that they're used when software is executed outside the limits of a license.
It's totally reasonable in the face of ridiculous license terms to want to get past all that and just use the software.
That's why we've gone from no product keys to product keys to activation and now to automatic auditing like Windows Genuine Advantage.
With invasive tools like WGA that can scan your system and send who-knows-what back to the developer even holding your system hostage against bug and security fixes, I'm starting to feel like piracy is closer to what's happening on the developer side of the equation.
Just another reason to shift to free(as in freedom) software...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090938</id>
	<title>Audit the systems and then quit</title>
	<author>L0rdJedi</author>
	<datestamp>1258145940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously.  Audit all the systems so you have an accurate count of what software is intalled and whether or not it's legal.  Then quit and call the BSA.  The company will be summarily shutdown for pirating software and you'll get a nice reward that you can live on until you find a better job.</p><p>You might want to warn them what the fine is for pirating software and even give them the opportunity to purchase legal copies slowly (a few at a time), but if they continue to tell you to shut your face, just follow the above advice.  Chances are, when someone else gets pissed, they'll call the BSA and then you'll still be out of a job and possibly held partly responsible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
Audit all the systems so you have an accurate count of what software is intalled and whether or not it 's legal .
Then quit and call the BSA .
The company will be summarily shutdown for pirating software and you 'll get a nice reward that you can live on until you find a better job.You might want to warn them what the fine is for pirating software and even give them the opportunity to purchase legal copies slowly ( a few at a time ) , but if they continue to tell you to shut your face , just follow the above advice .
Chances are , when someone else gets pissed , they 'll call the BSA and then you 'll still be out of a job and possibly held partly responsible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
Audit all the systems so you have an accurate count of what software is intalled and whether or not it's legal.
Then quit and call the BSA.
The company will be summarily shutdown for pirating software and you'll get a nice reward that you can live on until you find a better job.You might want to warn them what the fine is for pirating software and even give them the opportunity to purchase legal copies slowly (a few at a time), but if they continue to tell you to shut your face, just follow the above advice.
Chances are, when someone else gets pissed, they'll call the BSA and then you'll still be out of a job and possibly held partly responsible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089222</id>
	<title>shut up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258139160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you've said your piece, have management sign something that shows that you objected at the time but are following orders, AND KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.  you turn into a nag when you keep bringing something up.  sorry, you're just an IT guy, and no, you can't control the entire company.</p><p>looking for a job in this economy is a really bad idea, getting fired for being a know it all smart ass is even worse.</p><p>you can certainly bring up open source alternatives, bring up the fact that pirated software usually contains trojans that will steal all of their secrets, but once you've made you case and been told what to do, leave it be.  you're not going to change the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you 've said your piece , have management sign something that shows that you objected at the time but are following orders , AND KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT .
you turn into a nag when you keep bringing something up .
sorry , you 're just an IT guy , and no , you ca n't control the entire company.looking for a job in this economy is a really bad idea , getting fired for being a know it all smart ass is even worse.you can certainly bring up open source alternatives , bring up the fact that pirated software usually contains trojans that will steal all of their secrets , but once you 've made you case and been told what to do , leave it be .
you 're not going to change the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you've said your piece, have management sign something that shows that you objected at the time but are following orders, AND KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.
you turn into a nag when you keep bringing something up.
sorry, you're just an IT guy, and no, you can't control the entire company.looking for a job in this economy is a really bad idea, getting fired for being a know it all smart ass is even worse.you can certainly bring up open source alternatives, bring up the fact that pirated software usually contains trojans that will steal all of their secrets, but once you've made you case and been told what to do, leave it be.
you're not going to change the world.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089812</id>
	<title>Re:Different Approach</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1258141200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More likely you'll get a "Huh? We never paid that much for software, WTF are you talking about? And there's no way we're paying that, we're sticking with what we have. Renewing? We're not renting any software, so why would we need to renew what works?"</p><p>As long as the boss doesn't see the difference between doing it legally and doing it illegally, you'll always fail against the old IT person who kept the company running on a shoestring budget. It's the old "I don't care how you do it, bu the last guy did and you either manage with what you got or I'll find someone competent that will." tactic.</p><p>The closest thing he could do is probably to get some form of CYA, stating that the IT department has too little information to guarantee that it is license compliant and that proof of existing licenses must be provided otherwise the responsibility must lie with Purchasing/Legal. And keep track of all software he's asked to install, using which keys/licenses.</p><p>In all likelihood he can't stop getting fired if shit hits the fan. What he does need is to come out of it with a normal termination because he's got enough proof that the management knew and/or was responsible for the compliance failure, instead of a termination with cause for installing pirated software. From what I gather in the US is pretty common that the only thing companies will confirm is the start date, end date and position of employment so that would be enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More likely you 'll get a " Huh ?
We never paid that much for software , WTF are you talking about ?
And there 's no way we 're paying that , we 're sticking with what we have .
Renewing ? We 're not renting any software , so why would we need to renew what works ?
" As long as the boss does n't see the difference between doing it legally and doing it illegally , you 'll always fail against the old IT person who kept the company running on a shoestring budget .
It 's the old " I do n't care how you do it , bu the last guy did and you either manage with what you got or I 'll find someone competent that will .
" tactic.The closest thing he could do is probably to get some form of CYA , stating that the IT department has too little information to guarantee that it is license compliant and that proof of existing licenses must be provided otherwise the responsibility must lie with Purchasing/Legal .
And keep track of all software he 's asked to install , using which keys/licenses.In all likelihood he ca n't stop getting fired if shit hits the fan .
What he does need is to come out of it with a normal termination because he 's got enough proof that the management knew and/or was responsible for the compliance failure , instead of a termination with cause for installing pirated software .
From what I gather in the US is pretty common that the only thing companies will confirm is the start date , end date and position of employment so that would be enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More likely you'll get a "Huh?
We never paid that much for software, WTF are you talking about?
And there's no way we're paying that, we're sticking with what we have.
Renewing? We're not renting any software, so why would we need to renew what works?
"As long as the boss doesn't see the difference between doing it legally and doing it illegally, you'll always fail against the old IT person who kept the company running on a shoestring budget.
It's the old "I don't care how you do it, bu the last guy did and you either manage with what you got or I'll find someone competent that will.
" tactic.The closest thing he could do is probably to get some form of CYA, stating that the IT department has too little information to guarantee that it is license compliant and that proof of existing licenses must be provided otherwise the responsibility must lie with Purchasing/Legal.
And keep track of all software he's asked to install, using which keys/licenses.In all likelihood he can't stop getting fired if shit hits the fan.
What he does need is to come out of it with a normal termination because he's got enough proof that the management knew and/or was responsible for the compliance failure, instead of a termination with cause for installing pirated software.
From what I gather in the US is pretty common that the only thing companies will confirm is the start date, end date and position of employment so that would be enough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088972</id>
	<title>Re:Common cause of termination in bad startups</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1258138200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>She also brought the overall issue up with the CEO, suggesting that the company should pay for its payware, or switch to FOSS.</p><p>Needless to say, not long afterwards, she was terminated with some lame excuse</p></div><p>That's when you call the BSA and take their reward money with glee. That's at least what I would have done.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>She also brought the overall issue up with the CEO , suggesting that the company should pay for its payware , or switch to FOSS.Needless to say , not long afterwards , she was terminated with some lame excuseThat 's when you call the BSA and take their reward money with glee .
That 's at least what I would have done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>She also brought the overall issue up with the CEO, suggesting that the company should pay for its payware, or switch to FOSS.Needless to say, not long afterwards, she was terminated with some lame excuseThat's when you call the BSA and take their reward money with glee.
That's at least what I would have done.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091910</id>
	<title>Re:Welcome to the real world</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258107240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>However ratting your employer out to the BSA is a dickhead move.</p></div><p>You are disgrace to whole Department of Technology. I am sick of the corruption and code of silence that is going on in the corporations. The company should pay the license of use FOSS or you the I.T person will be sold out by the CEO and your certificates will be taken by the BSA when the shit hits the fan.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>However ratting your employer out to the BSA is a dickhead move.You are disgrace to whole Department of Technology .
I am sick of the corruption and code of silence that is going on in the corporations .
The company should pay the license of use FOSS or you the I.T person will be sold out by the CEO and your certificates will be taken by the BSA when the shit hits the fan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However ratting your employer out to the BSA is a dickhead move.You are disgrace to whole Department of Technology.
I am sick of the corruption and code of silence that is going on in the corporations.
The company should pay the license of use FOSS or you the I.T person will be sold out by the CEO and your certificates will be taken by the BSA when the shit hits the fan.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089192</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090740</id>
	<title>Do everything else... and then?</title>
	<author>Fished</author>
	<datestamp>1258144920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So you do everything else... suggest OpenOffice, 7-zip, etc., document the issue, etc., and they still want change.  Then what?  Simple.  Quit, report the bastards to the BSA yourself, and collect a bounty for your trouble.  This place is a ticking time bomb that will explode in your face if you stick around.  May as well get some money to compensate you for loss of job.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So you do everything else... suggest OpenOffice , 7-zip , etc. , document the issue , etc. , and they still want change .
Then what ?
Simple. Quit , report the bastards to the BSA yourself , and collect a bounty for your trouble .
This place is a ticking time bomb that will explode in your face if you stick around .
May as well get some money to compensate you for loss of job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you do everything else... suggest OpenOffice, 7-zip, etc., document the issue, etc., and they still want change.
Then what?
Simple.  Quit, report the bastards to the BSA yourself, and collect a bounty for your trouble.
This place is a ticking time bomb that will explode in your face if you stick around.
May as well get some money to compensate you for loss of job.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091452</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258104900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, I converted a company I worked for over from MS Office to OpenOffice... they were reluctant to switch until I demoed creating a copy protected PDF from Writer... complete with in-document hyperlinks.  The desktop conversion went very quickly after that, with a single-seat license of MS Office staying around for those moments when nothing else will work.</p><p>Conclusion: Getting management to switch from pirated software to a free equivalent  is an uphill battle (They're both "free"), but upgrading to a free alternative with more features they actually want can be very easy.  They see value in using OpenOffice instead of both MS Office and Adobe Acrobat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I converted a company I worked for over from MS Office to OpenOffice... they were reluctant to switch until I demoed creating a copy protected PDF from Writer... complete with in-document hyperlinks .
The desktop conversion went very quickly after that , with a single-seat license of MS Office staying around for those moments when nothing else will work.Conclusion : Getting management to switch from pirated software to a free equivalent is an uphill battle ( They 're both " free " ) , but upgrading to a free alternative with more features they actually want can be very easy .
They see value in using OpenOffice instead of both MS Office and Adobe Acrobat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I converted a company I worked for over from MS Office to OpenOffice... they were reluctant to switch until I demoed creating a copy protected PDF from Writer... complete with in-document hyperlinks.
The desktop conversion went very quickly after that, with a single-seat license of MS Office staying around for those moments when nothing else will work.Conclusion: Getting management to switch from pirated software to a free equivalent  is an uphill battle (They're both "free"), but upgrading to a free alternative with more features they actually want can be very easy.
They see value in using OpenOffice instead of both MS Office and Adobe Acrobat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30095506</id>
	<title>The simple way out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258141260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This really depends on what your relationship with your boss is. If they're the kind of person who you can have a short informal chat with then this is the way to go:</p><p>You simply have to gently and informally approach them and point out that the issue you raised might be serious. Explain that you don't want to start going around accusing people or getting the company a bad rep internally, but you are worried in case you get audited. Explain that everyone involved could be held accountable. Explain that you're worried because you could lose your credentials and of course the company could get hit for a lot of cash and heads could roll (but of course primary concern is that you can be personally injured in this - it shows your honest about your own motivations cause the managerial mindset is to not expect altruism). Basically just put across the point that you're watching your back and the bosses.</p><p>Again this is about knowing what the boss is like, and this may be entirely useless to you. But the way I see it, if you can get the issue resolved without any major hassle, or threatening, then you're going to get a reputation as a problem fixer and that's never a bad thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This really depends on what your relationship with your boss is .
If they 're the kind of person who you can have a short informal chat with then this is the way to go : You simply have to gently and informally approach them and point out that the issue you raised might be serious .
Explain that you do n't want to start going around accusing people or getting the company a bad rep internally , but you are worried in case you get audited .
Explain that everyone involved could be held accountable .
Explain that you 're worried because you could lose your credentials and of course the company could get hit for a lot of cash and heads could roll ( but of course primary concern is that you can be personally injured in this - it shows your honest about your own motivations cause the managerial mindset is to not expect altruism ) .
Basically just put across the point that you 're watching your back and the bosses.Again this is about knowing what the boss is like , and this may be entirely useless to you .
But the way I see it , if you can get the issue resolved without any major hassle , or threatening , then you 're going to get a reputation as a problem fixer and that 's never a bad thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This really depends on what your relationship with your boss is.
If they're the kind of person who you can have a short informal chat with then this is the way to go:You simply have to gently and informally approach them and point out that the issue you raised might be serious.
Explain that you don't want to start going around accusing people or getting the company a bad rep internally, but you are worried in case you get audited.
Explain that everyone involved could be held accountable.
Explain that you're worried because you could lose your credentials and of course the company could get hit for a lot of cash and heads could roll (but of course primary concern is that you can be personally injured in this - it shows your honest about your own motivations cause the managerial mindset is to not expect altruism).
Basically just put across the point that you're watching your back and the bosses.Again this is about knowing what the boss is like, and this may be entirely useless to you.
But the way I see it, if you can get the issue resolved without any major hassle, or threatening, then you're going to get a reputation as a problem fixer and that's never a bad thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090548</id>
	<title>Re:Your answer is at http://www.monster.com</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258144020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>People that take the time to look seriously at Open Office often like what they find.</p></div><p>At my job we switched to openoffice due to the licensing cost of office.</p><p>I was very positive about this at first, because I used openoffice writer at home for when I needed to type up a letter, and that had been a positive experience.</p><p>Using it all day for serious word processing quickly changed my mind. Word had one issue that annoyed me: bullet layout going on the fritz if you tried to get fancy with nesting and copy/paste. OO writer by contrast has dozens of issues that annoy me, some minor, some major. The supposed office compatibility is so poor that using it to exchange documents with office users is basically impossible (at least for anything that uses tables and headers/footers). It also has many bugs, some of which shockingly critical, like occasional irreversible corruption of a document when trying to save it with CTRL+S while auto-save is running.</p><p>I've done a complete 180 on openoffice. I don't think it's good enough to use, even if it's free. If I was the decision maker, I would chose to pay for microsoft office instead of using openoffice, because the time lost with openoffice's annoyances vastly outweighs the license cost of office.</p></div>
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<tokenext>People that take the time to look seriously at Open Office often like what they find.At my job we switched to openoffice due to the licensing cost of office.I was very positive about this at first , because I used openoffice writer at home for when I needed to type up a letter , and that had been a positive experience.Using it all day for serious word processing quickly changed my mind .
Word had one issue that annoyed me : bullet layout going on the fritz if you tried to get fancy with nesting and copy/paste .
OO writer by contrast has dozens of issues that annoy me , some minor , some major .
The supposed office compatibility is so poor that using it to exchange documents with office users is basically impossible ( at least for anything that uses tables and headers/footers ) .
It also has many bugs , some of which shockingly critical , like occasional irreversible corruption of a document when trying to save it with CTRL + S while auto-save is running.I 've done a complete 180 on openoffice .
I do n't think it 's good enough to use , even if it 's free .
If I was the decision maker , I would chose to pay for microsoft office instead of using openoffice , because the time lost with openoffice 's annoyances vastly outweighs the license cost of office .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People that take the time to look seriously at Open Office often like what they find.At my job we switched to openoffice due to the licensing cost of office.I was very positive about this at first, because I used openoffice writer at home for when I needed to type up a letter, and that had been a positive experience.Using it all day for serious word processing quickly changed my mind.
Word had one issue that annoyed me: bullet layout going on the fritz if you tried to get fancy with nesting and copy/paste.
OO writer by contrast has dozens of issues that annoy me, some minor, some major.
The supposed office compatibility is so poor that using it to exchange documents with office users is basically impossible (at least for anything that uses tables and headers/footers).
It also has many bugs, some of which shockingly critical, like occasional irreversible corruption of a document when trying to save it with CTRL+S while auto-save is running.I've done a complete 180 on openoffice.
I don't think it's good enough to use, even if it's free.
If I was the decision maker, I would chose to pay for microsoft office instead of using openoffice, because the time lost with openoffice's annoyances vastly outweighs the license cost of office.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089154</id>
	<title>Let me get past the easy comments...</title>
	<author>HikingStick</author>
	<datestamp>1258138920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are already tons of posts saying either "document it" or "find another job".  Here's what I recommend.<br> <br>

1. Take a software inventory.  Figure out what is installed where, and which license codes/CD keys are being used.<br>
2. Pull records.  We get a lot of our PCs pre-loaded with MS apps and Acrobat.  Those OEM installs stay with the machines, though many places try to move them forward from machine to machine (thus creating the impression that "we must have bought it sometime").<br>
3. Check online sites, like Microsoft's eOpen site, or contact specific vendors (e.g., call Autodesk or your VAR) and ask them to send you a summary of your current licenses.<br>
4. Document your level of usage against your level of compliance. Include all costs for becoming compliant.  Be sure to include one time costs (e.g., buying additional seats) and any recurring costs (e.g., maintenance, back maintenance, reinstatement fees).<br>
5. Educate management that software is licensed, not purchased.<br>
6. Include information regarding the legal liability related to pirated software.  Include references to any cases you can find, including actual fines, as well as potential fines (caps). Note the reputational risk to the company as well.<br>
7. Prepare a plan for bringing the company into compliance.  Include possible stop-gap measures and alternatives (e.g., limiting the number of users with a specific pieces of software, buying one additional license per year, using OpenOffice).<br>
8. Compile everything into a well-documented report/memo (depending on your company's preferred style), and be sure to present it personally (don't just email it off).  Offer to meet at another time, if necessary, but you must make it clear how important this is.  Offer to meet with the entire management team. Communicate, communicate, communicate.<br>
9. Let management know you don't plan on blowing the whistle (they'll surely say "nobody knows, so we're fine"), but make them aware that any disgruntled employee could make a call in to the piracy hotline.  If you have the intestinal fortitude to do so, you could even make it clear (if it reflects your beliefs) that you value your integrity and that you cannot, in good conscience, help the company steal software/violate contract terms.  Of course, that means you need to be ready to put up or shut up.<br>
<br>
All that being well and good, you can take some practical steps to start getting things into compliance going forward:<ul> <li>Commit to buying licenses for all new software requests.</li><li>Keep good inventory records of hardware (and associated OEM software) and software.</li><li>Start buying machines with appropriate OEM software (if small enough where volume licensing doesn't make sense), and consider buying shrink-wrap software on the same order (this might let the financial eggheads depreciate the entire purchase - IANATA)</li><li>Adopt free software that is not limited to home/personal/educational use, like Comodo Internet Security and OpenOffice.</li><li>Pray you don't get audited.</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are already tons of posts saying either " document it " or " find another job " .
Here 's what I recommend .
1. Take a software inventory .
Figure out what is installed where , and which license codes/CD keys are being used .
2. Pull records .
We get a lot of our PCs pre-loaded with MS apps and Acrobat .
Those OEM installs stay with the machines , though many places try to move them forward from machine to machine ( thus creating the impression that " we must have bought it sometime " ) .
3. Check online sites , like Microsoft 's eOpen site , or contact specific vendors ( e.g. , call Autodesk or your VAR ) and ask them to send you a summary of your current licenses .
4. Document your level of usage against your level of compliance .
Include all costs for becoming compliant .
Be sure to include one time costs ( e.g. , buying additional seats ) and any recurring costs ( e.g. , maintenance , back maintenance , reinstatement fees ) .
5. Educate management that software is licensed , not purchased .
6. Include information regarding the legal liability related to pirated software .
Include references to any cases you can find , including actual fines , as well as potential fines ( caps ) .
Note the reputational risk to the company as well .
7. Prepare a plan for bringing the company into compliance .
Include possible stop-gap measures and alternatives ( e.g. , limiting the number of users with a specific pieces of software , buying one additional license per year , using OpenOffice ) .
8. Compile everything into a well-documented report/memo ( depending on your company 's preferred style ) , and be sure to present it personally ( do n't just email it off ) .
Offer to meet at another time , if necessary , but you must make it clear how important this is .
Offer to meet with the entire management team .
Communicate , communicate , communicate .
9. Let management know you do n't plan on blowing the whistle ( they 'll surely say " nobody knows , so we 're fine " ) , but make them aware that any disgruntled employee could make a call in to the piracy hotline .
If you have the intestinal fortitude to do so , you could even make it clear ( if it reflects your beliefs ) that you value your integrity and that you can not , in good conscience , help the company steal software/violate contract terms .
Of course , that means you need to be ready to put up or shut up .
All that being well and good , you can take some practical steps to start getting things into compliance going forward : Commit to buying licenses for all new software requests.Keep good inventory records of hardware ( and associated OEM software ) and software.Start buying machines with appropriate OEM software ( if small enough where volume licensing does n't make sense ) , and consider buying shrink-wrap software on the same order ( this might let the financial eggheads depreciate the entire purchase - IANATA ) Adopt free software that is not limited to home/personal/educational use , like Comodo Internet Security and OpenOffice.Pray you do n't get audited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are already tons of posts saying either "document it" or "find another job".
Here's what I recommend.
1. Take a software inventory.
Figure out what is installed where, and which license codes/CD keys are being used.
2. Pull records.
We get a lot of our PCs pre-loaded with MS apps and Acrobat.
Those OEM installs stay with the machines, though many places try to move them forward from machine to machine (thus creating the impression that "we must have bought it sometime").
3. Check online sites, like Microsoft's eOpen site, or contact specific vendors (e.g., call Autodesk or your VAR) and ask them to send you a summary of your current licenses.
4. Document your level of usage against your level of compliance.
Include all costs for becoming compliant.
Be sure to include one time costs (e.g., buying additional seats) and any recurring costs (e.g., maintenance, back maintenance, reinstatement fees).
5. Educate management that software is licensed, not purchased.
6. Include information regarding the legal liability related to pirated software.
Include references to any cases you can find, including actual fines, as well as potential fines (caps).
Note the reputational risk to the company as well.
7. Prepare a plan for bringing the company into compliance.
Include possible stop-gap measures and alternatives (e.g., limiting the number of users with a specific pieces of software, buying one additional license per year, using OpenOffice).
8. Compile everything into a well-documented report/memo (depending on your company's preferred style), and be sure to present it personally (don't just email it off).
Offer to meet at another time, if necessary, but you must make it clear how important this is.
Offer to meet with the entire management team.
Communicate, communicate, communicate.
9. Let management know you don't plan on blowing the whistle (they'll surely say "nobody knows, so we're fine"), but make them aware that any disgruntled employee could make a call in to the piracy hotline.
If you have the intestinal fortitude to do so, you could even make it clear (if it reflects your beliefs) that you value your integrity and that you cannot, in good conscience, help the company steal software/violate contract terms.
Of course, that means you need to be ready to put up or shut up.
All that being well and good, you can take some practical steps to start getting things into compliance going forward: Commit to buying licenses for all new software requests.Keep good inventory records of hardware (and associated OEM software) and software.Start buying machines with appropriate OEM software (if small enough where volume licensing doesn't make sense), and consider buying shrink-wrap software on the same order (this might let the financial eggheads depreciate the entire purchase - IANATA)Adopt free software that is not limited to home/personal/educational use, like Comodo Internet Security and OpenOffice.Pray you don't get audited.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089926</id>
	<title>Document, Educate, Report as a last resort</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1258141680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Give the company a solid chance to come clean and fix up their licensing issues, with enough information to decide whether they want to.  A lot of these issues can be cleared up with truly free software.  Some things, like the WinZip delay thing, are technically not illegal but sure can't be helping internal feelings about the company's compliance (in other words, they are obvious signs that the company has licensing issues, and therefore might make a disgruntled employee a nice severance package courtesy of the BSA).</p><p>Make sure you have CLEAR documentation that you are undergoing that effort and are actively communicating your findings to management.  Make sure that said documentation points out the cost and risk of not complying, and make it clear that while you have no interest in profiting by reporting it, others easily might.  That may include citations of the BSA's cut and how much a disgruntled employee could potentially make if they decided to.</p><p>Don't threaten to blow the whistle yourself, but make it clear that someone easily could, and try to work with them to get things cleared up.  At the same time, be sure it is well documented that you are a driving force for compliance.  That way, if the company decides to screw you over and make you the scapegoat, you have plenty of evidence to demonstrate that the problem was there long before you were, and that you were trying to get them in compliance.</p><p>If, after all of your effort, the company decides that they would rather continue operations as-is, you have to let your conscience and circumstances be your guide on that one.  Generally the proper thing to do is leave the company and contact the BSA.  But you have to call the shots as you see them - if your employer is your father-in-law or has a title of of "Don", or both, you might want to simply become a very respectful advocate for truly free software and hope you can cop a plea if the company ever gets caught.  And do what you're told because Guido can make the BSA boys look like rank amateurs, and a few years in prison with intact kneecaps is better than doing a personal verification to see if cement footwear is waterproof.  I mean, I like the water and all, but...</p><p>As far as your immediate "what do I do about the computer in front of me" issue...  Personally, I have refused and will continue to refuse to install software on company hardware unless it's clearly legal to do so.</p><p>I can also say that really easily - I've only had one company ever ask it of me, and they had some serious compliance issues, but the decision was easy.  After a long meeting with a few executives about the risks to the company and an honest assessment how much money the company was really "saving", they decided it was best to spend the money on valid licenses and have me remove anything that was not in compliance until we could clear things up.</p><p>This was also a financial management company that had a lot of customer data in their possession and processed checks and other monetary instruments by the thousands every day - having the word hit the street that they couldn't count licenses or were knowingly engaging in piracy could lead to an exceptionally unpleasant visit from people far less forgiving than the BSA.  They had also never had an IT resource before - each department bought their own software and I was their first foray into a centralized IT "organization", if you want to call a young snot-nosed kid happy to have a folding table in the server room as his desk on his first IT job an "organization".</p><p>The uninstall/buy/reinstall process was VERY ugly, but at the end we had a fully compliant company with a clear sheet of purchased licenses and a clean process for transferring licenses from computer to computer, and all the install media was locked away.  I won't say we hit 100\%, people still brought in pirated software (this was in the Windows 3.11 days, much harder to prevent it back then).  But we had pretty clear documentation that we were doing our best to keep things clean.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Give the company a solid chance to come clean and fix up their licensing issues , with enough information to decide whether they want to .
A lot of these issues can be cleared up with truly free software .
Some things , like the WinZip delay thing , are technically not illegal but sure ca n't be helping internal feelings about the company 's compliance ( in other words , they are obvious signs that the company has licensing issues , and therefore might make a disgruntled employee a nice severance package courtesy of the BSA ) .Make sure you have CLEAR documentation that you are undergoing that effort and are actively communicating your findings to management .
Make sure that said documentation points out the cost and risk of not complying , and make it clear that while you have no interest in profiting by reporting it , others easily might .
That may include citations of the BSA 's cut and how much a disgruntled employee could potentially make if they decided to.Do n't threaten to blow the whistle yourself , but make it clear that someone easily could , and try to work with them to get things cleared up .
At the same time , be sure it is well documented that you are a driving force for compliance .
That way , if the company decides to screw you over and make you the scapegoat , you have plenty of evidence to demonstrate that the problem was there long before you were , and that you were trying to get them in compliance.If , after all of your effort , the company decides that they would rather continue operations as-is , you have to let your conscience and circumstances be your guide on that one .
Generally the proper thing to do is leave the company and contact the BSA .
But you have to call the shots as you see them - if your employer is your father-in-law or has a title of of " Don " , or both , you might want to simply become a very respectful advocate for truly free software and hope you can cop a plea if the company ever gets caught .
And do what you 're told because Guido can make the BSA boys look like rank amateurs , and a few years in prison with intact kneecaps is better than doing a personal verification to see if cement footwear is waterproof .
I mean , I like the water and all , but...As far as your immediate " what do I do about the computer in front of me " issue... Personally , I have refused and will continue to refuse to install software on company hardware unless it 's clearly legal to do so.I can also say that really easily - I 've only had one company ever ask it of me , and they had some serious compliance issues , but the decision was easy .
After a long meeting with a few executives about the risks to the company and an honest assessment how much money the company was really " saving " , they decided it was best to spend the money on valid licenses and have me remove anything that was not in compliance until we could clear things up.This was also a financial management company that had a lot of customer data in their possession and processed checks and other monetary instruments by the thousands every day - having the word hit the street that they could n't count licenses or were knowingly engaging in piracy could lead to an exceptionally unpleasant visit from people far less forgiving than the BSA .
They had also never had an IT resource before - each department bought their own software and I was their first foray into a centralized IT " organization " , if you want to call a young snot-nosed kid happy to have a folding table in the server room as his desk on his first IT job an " organization " .The uninstall/buy/reinstall process was VERY ugly , but at the end we had a fully compliant company with a clear sheet of purchased licenses and a clean process for transferring licenses from computer to computer , and all the install media was locked away .
I wo n't say we hit 100 \ % , people still brought in pirated software ( this was in the Windows 3.11 days , much harder to prevent it back then ) .
But we had pretty clear documentation that we were doing our best to keep things clean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give the company a solid chance to come clean and fix up their licensing issues, with enough information to decide whether they want to.
A lot of these issues can be cleared up with truly free software.
Some things, like the WinZip delay thing, are technically not illegal but sure can't be helping internal feelings about the company's compliance (in other words, they are obvious signs that the company has licensing issues, and therefore might make a disgruntled employee a nice severance package courtesy of the BSA).Make sure you have CLEAR documentation that you are undergoing that effort and are actively communicating your findings to management.
Make sure that said documentation points out the cost and risk of not complying, and make it clear that while you have no interest in profiting by reporting it, others easily might.
That may include citations of the BSA's cut and how much a disgruntled employee could potentially make if they decided to.Don't threaten to blow the whistle yourself, but make it clear that someone easily could, and try to work with them to get things cleared up.
At the same time, be sure it is well documented that you are a driving force for compliance.
That way, if the company decides to screw you over and make you the scapegoat, you have plenty of evidence to demonstrate that the problem was there long before you were, and that you were trying to get them in compliance.If, after all of your effort, the company decides that they would rather continue operations as-is, you have to let your conscience and circumstances be your guide on that one.
Generally the proper thing to do is leave the company and contact the BSA.
But you have to call the shots as you see them - if your employer is your father-in-law or has a title of of "Don", or both, you might want to simply become a very respectful advocate for truly free software and hope you can cop a plea if the company ever gets caught.
And do what you're told because Guido can make the BSA boys look like rank amateurs, and a few years in prison with intact kneecaps is better than doing a personal verification to see if cement footwear is waterproof.
I mean, I like the water and all, but...As far as your immediate "what do I do about the computer in front of me" issue...  Personally, I have refused and will continue to refuse to install software on company hardware unless it's clearly legal to do so.I can also say that really easily - I've only had one company ever ask it of me, and they had some serious compliance issues, but the decision was easy.
After a long meeting with a few executives about the risks to the company and an honest assessment how much money the company was really "saving", they decided it was best to spend the money on valid licenses and have me remove anything that was not in compliance until we could clear things up.This was also a financial management company that had a lot of customer data in their possession and processed checks and other monetary instruments by the thousands every day - having the word hit the street that they couldn't count licenses or were knowingly engaging in piracy could lead to an exceptionally unpleasant visit from people far less forgiving than the BSA.
They had also never had an IT resource before - each department bought their own software and I was their first foray into a centralized IT "organization", if you want to call a young snot-nosed kid happy to have a folding table in the server room as his desk on his first IT job an "organization".The uninstall/buy/reinstall process was VERY ugly, but at the end we had a fully compliant company with a clear sheet of purchased licenses and a clean process for transferring licenses from computer to computer, and all the install media was locked away.
I won't say we hit 100\%, people still brought in pirated software (this was in the Windows 3.11 days, much harder to prevent it back then).
But we had pretty clear documentation that we were doing our best to keep things clean.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30093740</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright Infringement != Piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258119300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Words have multiple meanings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Words have multiple meanings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Words have multiple meanings.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088698</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>ByOhTek</author>
	<datestamp>1258137000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ghostview is also a nice free (as in beer) and OSS package for creating PDFs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ghostview is also a nice free ( as in beer ) and OSS package for creating PDFs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ghostview is also a nice free (as in beer) and OSS package for creating PDFs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091658</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258106040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MICROSOFT SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMS<br>MICROSOFT SECURITY ESSENTIALS 1.0<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>1.INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.<br>Use. You may install and use any number of copies of the software on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business.</p><p>So i Would assume that since he mentioned about 20 pcs, it wouldnt be considered SOHO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MICROSOFT SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMSMICROSOFT SECURITY ESSENTIALS 1.0 ...1.INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.Use .
You may install and use any number of copies of the software on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business.So i Would assume that since he mentioned about 20 pcs , it wouldnt be considered SOHO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MICROSOFT SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMSMICROSOFT SECURITY ESSENTIALS 1.0 ...1.INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.Use.
You may install and use any number of copies of the software on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business.So i Would assume that since he mentioned about 20 pcs, it wouldnt be considered SOHO.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089086</id>
	<title>Re:My job used to be like this....</title>
	<author>oatworm</author>
	<datestamp>1258138560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yep - did the same thing at a company I worked for.  Similar situation - their former "IT Manager" bought a copy of Office from Best Buy and installed it on all of the computers in the office, then called in to activate whenever it would fail the key check (which was frequently), along with a host of other software.  I led with a carrot and a stick - we didn't have to become legit with everything all at once, but if steps weren't taking to become legit, there was "a greater than zero chance" that the BSA would sooner or later come knocking (never mind how they would know to look...).  So, since a hardware refresh was coming up, they just bought an initial pack of Office Open Licensing to get started, then purchased an additional one whenever they replaced a PC.  After a couple of years, one license at a time, they became compliant and all is good.  Best of all, it spread the cost of compliance out so that, instead of shelling out tens of thousand of dollars in Office licensing all at once, they could spread it out over time.  As an added bonus, if anybody <em>did</em> ask, they could honestly say they were taking steps to bring themselves into compliance.<br> <br>

That said, in my case, I had an advantage - the owner of the company didn't realize what the IT Manager was doing and wasn't terribly happy about it when she found out.  In the original questioner's case, however, that might not be the case.  If you can't find someone higher than you and/or your manager that's willing to support your efforts to bring the company into compliance, either through replacing existing software with legitimately free alternatives or through purchasing licensing (or some combination of the two), follow what everyone else is saying here:  Document like mad, update your CV, and call the BSA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep - did the same thing at a company I worked for .
Similar situation - their former " IT Manager " bought a copy of Office from Best Buy and installed it on all of the computers in the office , then called in to activate whenever it would fail the key check ( which was frequently ) , along with a host of other software .
I led with a carrot and a stick - we did n't have to become legit with everything all at once , but if steps were n't taking to become legit , there was " a greater than zero chance " that the BSA would sooner or later come knocking ( never mind how they would know to look... ) .
So , since a hardware refresh was coming up , they just bought an initial pack of Office Open Licensing to get started , then purchased an additional one whenever they replaced a PC .
After a couple of years , one license at a time , they became compliant and all is good .
Best of all , it spread the cost of compliance out so that , instead of shelling out tens of thousand of dollars in Office licensing all at once , they could spread it out over time .
As an added bonus , if anybody did ask , they could honestly say they were taking steps to bring themselves into compliance .
That said , in my case , I had an advantage - the owner of the company did n't realize what the IT Manager was doing and was n't terribly happy about it when she found out .
In the original questioner 's case , however , that might not be the case .
If you ca n't find someone higher than you and/or your manager that 's willing to support your efforts to bring the company into compliance , either through replacing existing software with legitimately free alternatives or through purchasing licensing ( or some combination of the two ) , follow what everyone else is saying here : Document like mad , update your CV , and call the BSA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep - did the same thing at a company I worked for.
Similar situation - their former "IT Manager" bought a copy of Office from Best Buy and installed it on all of the computers in the office, then called in to activate whenever it would fail the key check (which was frequently), along with a host of other software.
I led with a carrot and a stick - we didn't have to become legit with everything all at once, but if steps weren't taking to become legit, there was "a greater than zero chance" that the BSA would sooner or later come knocking (never mind how they would know to look...).
So, since a hardware refresh was coming up, they just bought an initial pack of Office Open Licensing to get started, then purchased an additional one whenever they replaced a PC.
After a couple of years, one license at a time, they became compliant and all is good.
Best of all, it spread the cost of compliance out so that, instead of shelling out tens of thousand of dollars in Office licensing all at once, they could spread it out over time.
As an added bonus, if anybody did ask, they could honestly say they were taking steps to bring themselves into compliance.
That said, in my case, I had an advantage - the owner of the company didn't realize what the IT Manager was doing and wasn't terribly happy about it when she found out.
In the original questioner's case, however, that might not be the case.
If you can't find someone higher than you and/or your manager that's willing to support your efforts to bring the company into compliance, either through replacing existing software with legitimately free alternatives or through purchasing licensing (or some combination of the two), follow what everyone else is saying here:  Document like mad, update your CV, and call the BSA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088538</id>
	<title>Dob them in</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258136520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dob them in for $5,000 a shot.</p><p>It's anonymous.</p><p>Meanwhile, look for another job.</p><p>But you've pointed it out, you've tried to do the right thing and the only thing left to fix the company system is to find and install legit free software.</p><p>If they refuse even that, look for a job and cash in what you know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dob them in for $ 5,000 a shot.It 's anonymous.Meanwhile , look for another job.But you 've pointed it out , you 've tried to do the right thing and the only thing left to fix the company system is to find and install legit free software.If they refuse even that , look for a job and cash in what you know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dob them in for $5,000 a shot.It's anonymous.Meanwhile, look for another job.But you've pointed it out, you've tried to do the right thing and the only thing left to fix the company system is to find and install legit free software.If they refuse even that, look for a job and cash in what you know.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088684</id>
	<title>great argument for free software</title>
	<author>mhamel</author>
	<datestamp>1258137000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Offer a solution. If you go to your boss's office and tell him he is a thief he's not going to be happy. But if you get in there and offer a free alternative it should be a good way of bringing things up.</p><p>Openoffice can do the job if everybody switch together. 7-zip is a good replacement for winzip. I'm pretty sure lot's of software has free (like in open source) alternative. Try, you'll see where it lead you.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Offer a solution .
If you go to your boss 's office and tell him he is a thief he 's not going to be happy .
But if you get in there and offer a free alternative it should be a good way of bringing things up.Openoffice can do the job if everybody switch together .
7-zip is a good replacement for winzip .
I 'm pretty sure lot 's of software has free ( like in open source ) alternative .
Try , you 'll see where it lead you .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Offer a solution.
If you go to your boss's office and tell him he is a thief he's not going to be happy.
But if you get in there and offer a free alternative it should be a good way of bringing things up.Openoffice can do the job if everybody switch together.
7-zip is a good replacement for winzip.
I'm pretty sure lot's of software has free (like in open source) alternative.
Try, you'll see where it lead you.
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088614</id>
	<title>Love em or hate em...</title>
	<author>CFBMoo1</author>
	<datestamp>1258136760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If piracy is really that bad -&gt; https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspx<br><br>It is what they are there for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If piracy is really that bad - &gt; https : //reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspxIt is what they are there for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If piracy is really that bad -&gt; https://reporting.bsa.org/usa/home.aspxIt is what they are there for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089496</id>
	<title>Too Late</title>
	<author>DeanFox</author>
	<datestamp>1258140000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>
It sounds clear they're not going to change business practices.  There's always reporting them to the BSE or some other software piracy watchdog then going through a very painful (from what I hear) audit.  You've already made known pirated software bothers you and if all of a sudden a watchdog group shows at your door with a warrant or whatever they use... You're screwed as far as continuing with this company.  Likely you'll be fired for some unrelated subjective cause.
<br> <br>
You can shut-up and look the other way or you can leave and report them.  You cannot force them to change, you cannot report them and stay.  Do your own math...
<br> <br>
-[d]-</htmltext>
<tokenext>It sounds clear they 're not going to change business practices .
There 's always reporting them to the BSE or some other software piracy watchdog then going through a very painful ( from what I hear ) audit .
You 've already made known pirated software bothers you and if all of a sudden a watchdog group shows at your door with a warrant or whatever they use... You 're screwed as far as continuing with this company .
Likely you 'll be fired for some unrelated subjective cause .
You can shut-up and look the other way or you can leave and report them .
You can not force them to change , you can not report them and stay .
Do your own math.. . - [ d ] -</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
It sounds clear they're not going to change business practices.
There's always reporting them to the BSE or some other software piracy watchdog then going through a very painful (from what I hear) audit.
You've already made known pirated software bothers you and if all of a sudden a watchdog group shows at your door with a warrant or whatever they use... You're screwed as far as continuing with this company.
Likely you'll be fired for some unrelated subjective cause.
You can shut-up and look the other way or you can leave and report them.
You cannot force them to change, you cannot report them and stay.
Do your own math...
 
-[d]-</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088694</id>
	<title>Re:Contact the BSA &amp; request an audit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258137000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep, do it. Take the money as a little reward for dong the right thing..</p><p>What will happen to the company is: Microsoft will send a letter to the CEO informing him that they will be performing an audit, that they are entitled to do as he is running some form of Microsoft software (I doubt they need to check that's true). Then they will tell him that he needs to run audit software in the company and send the results to MS, and that they know of a few companies who will perform this audit for a reasonable fee, and no, running it all yourself of not acceptable.</p><p>Once he's done that, they will check how many licences they think the company needs to become 'compliant' and demand proof they have that many purchased. At this point, they also offer to bill for unlicenced software that accidentally or mistakenly was installed.</p><p>End result: the company pays to audit itself, and pays MS for a load of licences. Usually they end up paying extra for things people have installed but never use any more.</p><p>They're quite nice about it, if that help any.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , do it .
Take the money as a little reward for dong the right thing..What will happen to the company is : Microsoft will send a letter to the CEO informing him that they will be performing an audit , that they are entitled to do as he is running some form of Microsoft software ( I doubt they need to check that 's true ) .
Then they will tell him that he needs to run audit software in the company and send the results to MS , and that they know of a few companies who will perform this audit for a reasonable fee , and no , running it all yourself of not acceptable.Once he 's done that , they will check how many licences they think the company needs to become 'compliant ' and demand proof they have that many purchased .
At this point , they also offer to bill for unlicenced software that accidentally or mistakenly was installed.End result : the company pays to audit itself , and pays MS for a load of licences .
Usually they end up paying extra for things people have installed but never use any more.They 're quite nice about it , if that help any .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, do it.
Take the money as a little reward for dong the right thing..What will happen to the company is: Microsoft will send a letter to the CEO informing him that they will be performing an audit, that they are entitled to do as he is running some form of Microsoft software (I doubt they need to check that's true).
Then they will tell him that he needs to run audit software in the company and send the results to MS, and that they know of a few companies who will perform this audit for a reasonable fee, and no, running it all yourself of not acceptable.Once he's done that, they will check how many licences they think the company needs to become 'compliant' and demand proof they have that many purchased.
At this point, they also offer to bill for unlicenced software that accidentally or mistakenly was installed.End result: the company pays to audit itself, and pays MS for a load of licences.
Usually they end up paying extra for things people have installed but never use any more.They're quite nice about it, if that help any.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089164</id>
	<title>Re:recommend free alternatives</title>
	<author>LinuxIsGarbage</author>
	<datestamp>1258138920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree that 7-zip is a good archiver, and can also un-archive RAR files. For some reason I find trial versions of Winrar rampant on business computers. Failing special requirements, most users have no need to create RAR files.</p><p>For PDF, print-to-pdf programs are a dime a dozen. I also like PDF-Xchange viewer as a viewer. It gives free annoitation tools: <a href="http://www.docu-track.com/home/prod\_user/PDF-XChange\_Tools/pdfx\_viewer/" title="docu-track.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.docu-track.com/home/prod\_user/PDF-XChange\_Tools/pdfx\_viewer/</a> [docu-track.com]  I also like PDFTK/PDFTKBuilder to help combine, rearrange PDFs: <a href="http://www.angusj.com/pdftkb/#pdftkbuilder" title="angusj.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.angusj.com/pdftkb/#pdftkbuilder</a> [angusj.com] </p><p>On MSE, from their EULA: <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/eula.aspx#mainNav" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/eula.aspx#mainNav</a> [microsoft.com] </p><p><div class="quote"><p># INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.</p><p>    * Use. You may install and use any number of copies of the software on your devices in your <b>household</b> for use by people who reside there or for use in your <b>home-based small business.</b> </p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that 7-zip is a good archiver , and can also un-archive RAR files .
For some reason I find trial versions of Winrar rampant on business computers .
Failing special requirements , most users have no need to create RAR files.For PDF , print-to-pdf programs are a dime a dozen .
I also like PDF-Xchange viewer as a viewer .
It gives free annoitation tools : http : //www.docu-track.com/home/prod \ _user/PDF-XChange \ _Tools/pdfx \ _viewer/ [ docu-track.com ] I also like PDFTK/PDFTKBuilder to help combine , rearrange PDFs : http : //www.angusj.com/pdftkb/ # pdftkbuilder [ angusj.com ] On MSE , from their EULA : http : //www.microsoft.com/Security \ _Essentials/eula.aspx # mainNav [ microsoft.com ] # INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS .
* Use .
You may install and use any number of copies of the software on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that 7-zip is a good archiver, and can also un-archive RAR files.
For some reason I find trial versions of Winrar rampant on business computers.
Failing special requirements, most users have no need to create RAR files.For PDF, print-to-pdf programs are a dime a dozen.
I also like PDF-Xchange viewer as a viewer.
It gives free annoitation tools: http://www.docu-track.com/home/prod\_user/PDF-XChange\_Tools/pdfx\_viewer/ [docu-track.com]  I also like PDFTK/PDFTKBuilder to help combine, rearrange PDFs: http://www.angusj.com/pdftkb/#pdftkbuilder [angusj.com] On MSE, from their EULA: http://www.microsoft.com/Security\_Essentials/eula.aspx#mainNav [microsoft.com] # INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.
* Use.
You may install and use any number of copies of the software on your devices in your household for use by people who reside there or for use in your home-based small business. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30094110</id>
	<title>As mentioned earlier CYA</title>
	<author>schizz69</author>
	<datestamp>1258122360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I feel that the best option is to document the use of pirated software, arrange a meeting with the stake holders and discuss options.

If they reply "we are going to use it anyway" refuse to install it on any new machines. This is not reusing to do your job, this is refusing to break the law for your boss.

I doubt any judge in the country will fall on the employers side in an employment dispute if it comes to that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I feel that the best option is to document the use of pirated software , arrange a meeting with the stake holders and discuss options .
If they reply " we are going to use it anyway " refuse to install it on any new machines .
This is not reusing to do your job , this is refusing to break the law for your boss .
I doubt any judge in the country will fall on the employers side in an employment dispute if it comes to that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I feel that the best option is to document the use of pirated software, arrange a meeting with the stake holders and discuss options.
If they reply "we are going to use it anyway" refuse to install it on any new machines.
This is not reusing to do your job, this is refusing to break the law for your boss.
I doubt any judge in the country will fall on the employers side in an employment dispute if it comes to that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089108</id>
	<title>Re:My job used to be like this....</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1258138680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This, actually, is probably the most sensible solution here.  It's reasonable, it's not too confrontational, it tries to find a solution without asking the CEO to sign off the equivalent of a person's salary for six months in one big lump.</p><p>I would add that if you really do succeed in bringing this up diplomatically (and no, marching into the CEOs office and saying "We owe Microsoft, Adobe et al tens of thousands of dollars, we must pay them now or stop using all of their software immediately" is not diplomatic) and you <b>still</b> get ignored, then you can be fairly certain that the respect the company has for you is approximately zero.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This , actually , is probably the most sensible solution here .
It 's reasonable , it 's not too confrontational , it tries to find a solution without asking the CEO to sign off the equivalent of a person 's salary for six months in one big lump.I would add that if you really do succeed in bringing this up diplomatically ( and no , marching into the CEOs office and saying " We owe Microsoft , Adobe et al tens of thousands of dollars , we must pay them now or stop using all of their software immediately " is not diplomatic ) and you still get ignored , then you can be fairly certain that the respect the company has for you is approximately zero .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This, actually, is probably the most sensible solution here.
It's reasonable, it's not too confrontational, it tries to find a solution without asking the CEO to sign off the equivalent of a person's salary for six months in one big lump.I would add that if you really do succeed in bringing this up diplomatically (and no, marching into the CEOs office and saying "We owe Microsoft, Adobe et al tens of thousands of dollars, we must pay them now or stop using all of their software immediately" is not diplomatic) and you still get ignored, then you can be fairly certain that the respect the company has for you is approximately zero.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089740</id>
	<title>Re:Piracy without guns and ships?</title>
	<author>justfred</author>
	<datestamp>1258140960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to mention the fact all these protections makes it more difficult for legitimately licensed users, to use the products.  With Dell machines we used to use, it was a lot easier to install pirated copies of Windows than the legit copies (that were in any case crammed with unwanted bloatware).</p><p>One of the reasons I like OSX - no product key complications, and the "family edition" or corporate licenses aren't outrageously expensive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to mention the fact all these protections makes it more difficult for legitimately licensed users , to use the products .
With Dell machines we used to use , it was a lot easier to install pirated copies of Windows than the legit copies ( that were in any case crammed with unwanted bloatware ) .One of the reasons I like OSX - no product key complications , and the " family edition " or corporate licenses are n't outrageously expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention the fact all these protections makes it more difficult for legitimately licensed users, to use the products.
With Dell machines we used to use, it was a lot easier to install pirated copies of Windows than the legit copies (that were in any case crammed with unwanted bloatware).One of the reasons I like OSX - no product key complications, and the "family edition" or corporate licenses aren't outrageously expensive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089118</id>
	<title>What is your job description?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258138740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Point it out to the authorities if you want, but IMO, if license management is not a part of your job description, then just install the software as you're told.  If ever asked, you can simply state that you brought the subject of license control up previously with your superiors and they informed you that they do have the proper licenses for everything.  You're not going to be legally accountable for it - the company and its management is.  If you ARE in management, then what the hell are you still doing with the company?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Point it out to the authorities if you want , but IMO , if license management is not a part of your job description , then just install the software as you 're told .
If ever asked , you can simply state that you brought the subject of license control up previously with your superiors and they informed you that they do have the proper licenses for everything .
You 're not going to be legally accountable for it - the company and its management is .
If you ARE in management , then what the hell are you still doing with the company ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Point it out to the authorities if you want, but IMO, if license management is not a part of your job description, then just install the software as you're told.
If ever asked, you can simply state that you brought the subject of license control up previously with your superiors and they informed you that they do have the proper licenses for everything.
You're not going to be legally accountable for it - the company and its management is.
If you ARE in management, then what the hell are you still doing with the company?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090728</id>
	<title>cut a deal and flip on them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258144920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Call the BSA and cut a deal with them to "reward" you for the info and then flip on the company.  Use the reward to bridge you to your next job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Call the BSA and cut a deal with them to " reward " you for the info and then flip on the company .
Use the reward to bridge you to your next job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Call the BSA and cut a deal with them to "reward" you for the info and then flip on the company.
Use the reward to bridge you to your next job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30095642</id>
	<title>Re:Contact the BSA &amp; request an audit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258230060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.</p><p>The BSA currently holds powers of attorney for MS, Adobe, Symantec, etc. You will never get a letter from Mircrosoft. The BSA will send you a letter saying that you need to do an audit and report it back to them. They will threaten to sue you should you not comply. They will also advise you that you can't simply purchase licenses to cover as you suggest and that any attempt to remove offending software will also result in you being sued. The BSA will allow you to do your own audits, so long as you use BSA approved auditing software. They are even kind enough to provide you with links to free versions.</p><p>So you cannot make any changes to your system, such as reimaging a drive, as they will consider that "Destruction of Evidence". IANAL so I don't know if that is actually true, but I do know the BSA explicitly states that. Once the audit is done the BSA will submit a bill for damages, not licenses. You need to come compliant on your own and will have to submit that plan to the BSA. As part of your settlement agreement you also have to agree to regular audits and give the BSA the right to surprise inspections whenever they want for the next 2 - 5 years.</p><p>End result.. the company gets dicked out of enormous fines and still has to come compliant. I have yet to hear of the BSA settling for less than 100k, and they seem to always find something in their audits. They also get to choose and pick which licenses they think are valid. For example the BSA refuses to accept any licenses purchased via Ebay reguardless of whether they are legit or not. You can certaintly fight this in court if you choose to. The BSA will be more than happy to point out to you that they can keep you tied up in court for some time and that your lawyer fees will soon add up to more than just taking it in the ass and settling with them.</p><p>Yes I have gone through it, and while the company I was working for at the time was in the wrong, the penalties imposed by the BSA were excessive, and their attitude arrogant, condescending and abusive. They are the perfect vehicle for exacting revenge on any company requardless of guilt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.The BSA currently holds powers of attorney for MS , Adobe , Symantec , etc .
You will never get a letter from Mircrosoft .
The BSA will send you a letter saying that you need to do an audit and report it back to them .
They will threaten to sue you should you not comply .
They will also advise you that you ca n't simply purchase licenses to cover as you suggest and that any attempt to remove offending software will also result in you being sued .
The BSA will allow you to do your own audits , so long as you use BSA approved auditing software .
They are even kind enough to provide you with links to free versions.So you can not make any changes to your system , such as reimaging a drive , as they will consider that " Destruction of Evidence " .
IANAL so I do n't know if that is actually true , but I do know the BSA explicitly states that .
Once the audit is done the BSA will submit a bill for damages , not licenses .
You need to come compliant on your own and will have to submit that plan to the BSA .
As part of your settlement agreement you also have to agree to regular audits and give the BSA the right to surprise inspections whenever they want for the next 2 - 5 years.End result.. the company gets dicked out of enormous fines and still has to come compliant .
I have yet to hear of the BSA settling for less than 100k , and they seem to always find something in their audits .
They also get to choose and pick which licenses they think are valid .
For example the BSA refuses to accept any licenses purchased via Ebay reguardless of whether they are legit or not .
You can certaintly fight this in court if you choose to .
The BSA will be more than happy to point out to you that they can keep you tied up in court for some time and that your lawyer fees will soon add up to more than just taking it in the ass and settling with them.Yes I have gone through it , and while the company I was working for at the time was in the wrong , the penalties imposed by the BSA were excessive , and their attitude arrogant , condescending and abusive .
They are the perfect vehicle for exacting revenge on any company requardless of guilt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.The BSA currently holds powers of attorney for MS, Adobe, Symantec, etc.
You will never get a letter from Mircrosoft.
The BSA will send you a letter saying that you need to do an audit and report it back to them.
They will threaten to sue you should you not comply.
They will also advise you that you can't simply purchase licenses to cover as you suggest and that any attempt to remove offending software will also result in you being sued.
The BSA will allow you to do your own audits, so long as you use BSA approved auditing software.
They are even kind enough to provide you with links to free versions.So you cannot make any changes to your system, such as reimaging a drive, as they will consider that "Destruction of Evidence".
IANAL so I don't know if that is actually true, but I do know the BSA explicitly states that.
Once the audit is done the BSA will submit a bill for damages, not licenses.
You need to come compliant on your own and will have to submit that plan to the BSA.
As part of your settlement agreement you also have to agree to regular audits and give the BSA the right to surprise inspections whenever they want for the next 2 - 5 years.End result.. the company gets dicked out of enormous fines and still has to come compliant.
I have yet to hear of the BSA settling for less than 100k, and they seem to always find something in their audits.
They also get to choose and pick which licenses they think are valid.
For example the BSA refuses to accept any licenses purchased via Ebay reguardless of whether they are legit or not.
You can certaintly fight this in court if you choose to.
The BSA will be more than happy to point out to you that they can keep you tied up in court for some time and that your lawyer fees will soon add up to more than just taking it in the ass and settling with them.Yes I have gone through it, and while the company I was working for at the time was in the wrong, the penalties imposed by the BSA were excessive, and their attitude arrogant, condescending and abusive.
They are the perfect vehicle for exacting revenge on any company requardless of guilt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089708</id>
	<title>The Man can't buy your ethos.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258140900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Plain and simple; you know they're breaking the law, you told them you know they're breaking the law, their response was to claim ignorance.</p><p>We'll get back to claimed ignorance in a second...</p><p>When you know someone is breaking the law, you have an ethical and legal responsibility to report them.  The moral thing to do is try to resolve it quietly (which you've tried)</p><p>I can hear the argument now "but its his employer!!!!"  Yeah, and when someone PAYS you to be quiet about them BREAKING THE LAW, that's called bribery, and it's far less ethical than, if say this man just happened to overhear about some random company doing the same thing.</p><p>Bottom line: you know about someone breaking the law.  He doesn't seem to be aware of it (which is no excuse - it is the ethical responsiblity of a citizen to make himself aware and knowledgeable of all societal standards s/he's expected to comply with).  If you don't now report it, you are not only implicitly involved in the original crime (especially as you seem to be the one routinely asked to implement these illegal orders), you're potentially breaking DIFFERENT laws as well</p><p>Back to the claimed ignorance.  There are two distinct possibilities:</p><p>He's lying - in which case, he's complicit in soliciting your participation in a crime<br>He's telling the truth - in which case, he needs to learn that this is a matter worth his personal attention in the future, before the problem becomes even more of a financial quagmire (as it is, it's sounding like it'll take 10's or 100's of thousands of dollars to get into compliance...)</p><p>so, either he's lying to try to trick you into breaking the law for him, or he's telling the truth and a total idiot...</p><p>In either case, reporting him becomes a moral issue, as your current and future employability, and therefore livelihood, is being endangered by his action (or lack thereof)</p><p>I don't know how anonymous you can make it, but the BSA (http://www.bsa.org/country/Report\%20Piracy.aspx) seems like a good choice for this...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Plain and simple ; you know they 're breaking the law , you told them you know they 're breaking the law , their response was to claim ignorance.We 'll get back to claimed ignorance in a second...When you know someone is breaking the law , you have an ethical and legal responsibility to report them .
The moral thing to do is try to resolve it quietly ( which you 've tried ) I can hear the argument now " but its his employer ! ! ! !
" Yeah , and when someone PAYS you to be quiet about them BREAKING THE LAW , that 's called bribery , and it 's far less ethical than , if say this man just happened to overhear about some random company doing the same thing.Bottom line : you know about someone breaking the law .
He does n't seem to be aware of it ( which is no excuse - it is the ethical responsiblity of a citizen to make himself aware and knowledgeable of all societal standards s/he 's expected to comply with ) .
If you do n't now report it , you are not only implicitly involved in the original crime ( especially as you seem to be the one routinely asked to implement these illegal orders ) , you 're potentially breaking DIFFERENT laws as wellBack to the claimed ignorance .
There are two distinct possibilities : He 's lying - in which case , he 's complicit in soliciting your participation in a crimeHe 's telling the truth - in which case , he needs to learn that this is a matter worth his personal attention in the future , before the problem becomes even more of a financial quagmire ( as it is , it 's sounding like it 'll take 10 's or 100 's of thousands of dollars to get into compliance... ) so , either he 's lying to try to trick you into breaking the law for him , or he 's telling the truth and a total idiot...In either case , reporting him becomes a moral issue , as your current and future employability , and therefore livelihood , is being endangered by his action ( or lack thereof ) I do n't know how anonymous you can make it , but the BSA ( http : //www.bsa.org/country/Report \ % 20Piracy.aspx ) seems like a good choice for this.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plain and simple; you know they're breaking the law, you told them you know they're breaking the law, their response was to claim ignorance.We'll get back to claimed ignorance in a second...When you know someone is breaking the law, you have an ethical and legal responsibility to report them.
The moral thing to do is try to resolve it quietly (which you've tried)I can hear the argument now "but its his employer!!!!
"  Yeah, and when someone PAYS you to be quiet about them BREAKING THE LAW, that's called bribery, and it's far less ethical than, if say this man just happened to overhear about some random company doing the same thing.Bottom line: you know about someone breaking the law.
He doesn't seem to be aware of it (which is no excuse - it is the ethical responsiblity of a citizen to make himself aware and knowledgeable of all societal standards s/he's expected to comply with).
If you don't now report it, you are not only implicitly involved in the original crime (especially as you seem to be the one routinely asked to implement these illegal orders), you're potentially breaking DIFFERENT laws as wellBack to the claimed ignorance.
There are two distinct possibilities:He's lying - in which case, he's complicit in soliciting your participation in a crimeHe's telling the truth - in which case, he needs to learn that this is a matter worth his personal attention in the future, before the problem becomes even more of a financial quagmire (as it is, it's sounding like it'll take 10's or 100's of thousands of dollars to get into compliance...)so, either he's lying to try to trick you into breaking the law for him, or he's telling the truth and a total idiot...In either case, reporting him becomes a moral issue, as your current and future employability, and therefore livelihood, is being endangered by his action (or lack thereof)I don't know how anonymous you can make it, but the BSA (http://www.bsa.org/country/Report\%20Piracy.aspx) seems like a good choice for this...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30093526</id>
	<title>Why don't you....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258117860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>quit being such a whining cry-baby?</p><p>If you're so gung-ho over statue enforcement, start with yourself.  Turn yourself in every time you exceed the speed limit.  Let's see how far that goes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>quit being such a whining cry-baby ? If you 're so gung-ho over statue enforcement , start with yourself .
Turn yourself in every time you exceed the speed limit .
Let 's see how far that goes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>quit being such a whining cry-baby?If you're so gung-ho over statue enforcement, start with yourself.
Turn yourself in every time you exceed the speed limit.
Let's see how far that goes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30091254</id>
	<title>Re:Different Approach</title>
	<author>DigitalCrackPipe</author>
	<datestamp>1258104000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's a good approach.  Perhaps another prong in the strategy would be to show that it is cheaper to roll out the freeware than to track down all of the licenses (sometimes it's amazing how hard it is to track down licenses we *know* we purchased in my organization).  All it takes is one pissed off ex-employee, and you'll have a BSA audit.
<br> <br>
Also, by lowering the cost of paid software on new machines, you'll lower the cost of adding new machines.  That allows you to be more flexible and, um, <b>operate at business speed</b>. (you just gotta know management lingo)</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a good approach .
Perhaps another prong in the strategy would be to show that it is cheaper to roll out the freeware than to track down all of the licenses ( sometimes it 's amazing how hard it is to track down licenses we * know * we purchased in my organization ) .
All it takes is one pissed off ex-employee , and you 'll have a BSA audit .
Also , by lowering the cost of paid software on new machines , you 'll lower the cost of adding new machines .
That allows you to be more flexible and , um , operate at business speed .
( you just got ta know management lingo )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a good approach.
Perhaps another prong in the strategy would be to show that it is cheaper to roll out the freeware than to track down all of the licenses (sometimes it's amazing how hard it is to track down licenses we *know* we purchased in my organization).
All it takes is one pissed off ex-employee, and you'll have a BSA audit.
Also, by lowering the cost of paid software on new machines, you'll lower the cost of adding new machines.
That allows you to be more flexible and, um, operate at business speed.
(you just gotta know management lingo)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30102476</id>
	<title>Offer alternatives that are legit and usable</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258206240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WinZip - 7Zip, GPL.<br>Antivirus is tricky, but it's possible to lock down Windows with gpedit.msc, or some regs in case it's a Home version.<br>OpenOffice.. yeah i know. -10^2 is still +20, aka MSMath patent pending not to be confused with mathematics, it still auto(dis)corrects s**t even when you tell it not to, but it's an ok suite if you can manage to ignore and overcome those things with some archaic methods.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... basically look for GPL applications or programs that explicitly allow "commercial use".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WinZip - 7Zip , GPL.Antivirus is tricky , but it 's possible to lock down Windows with gpedit.msc , or some regs in case it 's a Home version.OpenOffice.. yeah i know .
-10 ^ 2 is still + 20 , aka MSMath patent pending not to be confused with mathematics , it still auto ( dis ) corrects s * * t even when you tell it not to , but it 's an ok suite if you can manage to ignore and overcome those things with some archaic methods .
... basically look for GPL applications or programs that explicitly allow " commercial use " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WinZip - 7Zip, GPL.Antivirus is tricky, but it's possible to lock down Windows with gpedit.msc, or some regs in case it's a Home version.OpenOffice.. yeah i know.
-10^2 is still +20, aka MSMath patent pending not to be confused with mathematics, it still auto(dis)corrects s**t even when you tell it not to, but it's an ok suite if you can manage to ignore and overcome those things with some archaic methods.
... basically look for GPL applications or programs that explicitly allow "commercial use".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090186</id>
	<title>Run, for more than the obvious reasons.</title>
	<author>Talonius</author>
	<datestamp>1258142640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Begin looking for another job as soon as possible.  Document your communications with your manager and attempts to get them to go legit.  But leave as soon as possible.</p><p>The reason is simple:  a company who believes it is okay to do what they're doing is not going to appreciate what YOU do.  Your raises will never be good, the respect you garner from upper level management will be negligible, and you will always be treated as a second class citizen that is there only because the world requires it.  The companies that do what you're describing are those who view technology as a "necessary evil" and "money sink" rather than the enabler it should be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Begin looking for another job as soon as possible .
Document your communications with your manager and attempts to get them to go legit .
But leave as soon as possible.The reason is simple : a company who believes it is okay to do what they 're doing is not going to appreciate what YOU do .
Your raises will never be good , the respect you garner from upper level management will be negligible , and you will always be treated as a second class citizen that is there only because the world requires it .
The companies that do what you 're describing are those who view technology as a " necessary evil " and " money sink " rather than the enabler it should be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Begin looking for another job as soon as possible.
Document your communications with your manager and attempts to get them to go legit.
But leave as soon as possible.The reason is simple:  a company who believes it is okay to do what they're doing is not going to appreciate what YOU do.
Your raises will never be good, the respect you garner from upper level management will be negligible, and you will always be treated as a second class citizen that is there only because the world requires it.
The companies that do what you're describing are those who view technology as a "necessary evil" and "money sink" rather than the enabler it should be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089840</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like consensus</title>
	<author>eepok</author>
	<datestamp>1258141320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's based on the assumption that the individual doesn't have the money to buy the things (software, entertainment media) they're told  they need due to inequitable income or pricing structures while also assuming companies definitely have that money.

That of course stems from the philosophy (or at least subconscious mode of action that demonstrates the belief) that if something is needed but cannot be obtained legally, it's acceptable to obtain that thing illegally. (Strain theory derivative)</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's based on the assumption that the individual does n't have the money to buy the things ( software , entertainment media ) they 're told they need due to inequitable income or pricing structures while also assuming companies definitely have that money .
That of course stems from the philosophy ( or at least subconscious mode of action that demonstrates the belief ) that if something is needed but can not be obtained legally , it 's acceptable to obtain that thing illegally .
( Strain theory derivative )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's based on the assumption that the individual doesn't have the money to buy the things (software, entertainment media) they're told  they need due to inequitable income or pricing structures while also assuming companies definitely have that money.
That of course stems from the philosophy (or at least subconscious mode of action that demonstrates the belief) that if something is needed but cannot be obtained legally, it's acceptable to obtain that thing illegally.
(Strain theory derivative)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088714</id>
	<title>Two suggestions...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258137060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you like the company and/or your job, I would get a copy of the license agreement for the software that you believe is pirated and show it to the boss. Explain how what you have observed violates the license and suggest that the company either pay for the software or make the transition to free software.
Alternatively, if you don't like the company, I'm sure you've seen the BSA ads all over Slashdot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you like the company and/or your job , I would get a copy of the license agreement for the software that you believe is pirated and show it to the boss .
Explain how what you have observed violates the license and suggest that the company either pay for the software or make the transition to free software .
Alternatively , if you do n't like the company , I 'm sure you 've seen the BSA ads all over Slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you like the company and/or your job, I would get a copy of the license agreement for the software that you believe is pirated and show it to the boss.
Explain how what you have observed violates the license and suggest that the company either pay for the software or make the transition to free software.
Alternatively, if you don't like the company, I'm sure you've seen the BSA ads all over Slashdot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30090952</id>
	<title>I'm a developer.  Pirate me long time.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258102800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a software developer... here's my take.</p><p>#1:  Use a torrented piece of software is not stealing, it is not piracy, it is copyright infringement.  No one has had money taken from them, they've only lost POTENTIAL dollars earned.   Keep in mind, cd sales went up during the time of napster not down... not always a bad thing.</p><p>When i roll out a shareware product I EXPECT it to be pirated<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I also expect a certain \% of people will pay for the product after I update the serial keys with each release.  It actually helps my exposure because the smart people recommend the product to the not so savvy people... who in turn pay for it.</p><p>#2:  Don't pay for 'pirated' software. ever.  That IS preventing money from going to developers that have earned it.</p><p>#3:  Do what your told within reason or quit.  If you don't want to do it, politely state your opposition and ask that someone else do it.</p><p>#4:  Cover your own ass.  Don't send emails with serial keys, etc.</p><p>#5: Show the BENEFITS of buying legal software.  Support from the developers, access to training materials, not having to search for keys each release, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a software developer... here 's my take. # 1 : Use a torrented piece of software is not stealing , it is not piracy , it is copyright infringement .
No one has had money taken from them , they 've only lost POTENTIAL dollars earned .
Keep in mind , cd sales went up during the time of napster not down... not always a bad thing.When i roll out a shareware product I EXPECT it to be pirated ... I also expect a certain \ % of people will pay for the product after I update the serial keys with each release .
It actually helps my exposure because the smart people recommend the product to the not so savvy people... who in turn pay for it. # 2 : Do n't pay for 'pirated ' software .
ever. That IS preventing money from going to developers that have earned it. # 3 : Do what your told within reason or quit .
If you do n't want to do it , politely state your opposition and ask that someone else do it. # 4 : Cover your own ass .
Do n't send emails with serial keys , etc. # 5 : Show the BENEFITS of buying legal software .
Support from the developers , access to training materials , not having to search for keys each release , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a software developer... here's my take.#1:  Use a torrented piece of software is not stealing, it is not piracy, it is copyright infringement.
No one has had money taken from them, they've only lost POTENTIAL dollars earned.
Keep in mind, cd sales went up during the time of napster not down... not always a bad thing.When i roll out a shareware product I EXPECT it to be pirated ... I also expect a certain \% of people will pay for the product after I update the serial keys with each release.
It actually helps my exposure because the smart people recommend the product to the not so savvy people... who in turn pay for it.#2:  Don't pay for 'pirated' software.
ever.  That IS preventing money from going to developers that have earned it.#3:  Do what your told within reason or quit.
If you don't want to do it, politely state your opposition and ask that someone else do it.#4:  Cover your own ass.
Don't send emails with serial keys, etc.#5: Show the BENEFITS of buying legal software.
Support from the developers, access to training materials, not having to search for keys each release, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088944</id>
	<title>Dragon Naturally Speaking</title>
	<author>davidwr</author>
	<datestamp>1258138080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dunno about bootleg software, but on the next Talk Like A Pirate Day I'd love to put my computer in "Arrrgggg, Matey" mode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno about bootleg software , but on the next Talk Like A Pirate Day I 'd love to put my computer in " Arrrgggg , Matey " mode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno about bootleg software, but on the next Talk Like A Pirate Day I'd love to put my computer in "Arrrgggg, Matey" mode.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30088648</id>
	<title>Winzip?  Replace it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258136880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With <a href="http://www.7-zip.org/" title="7-zip.org" rel="nofollow">7-zip</a> [7-zip.org].  Consider making a donation too, of course.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With 7-zip [ 7-zip.org ] .
Consider making a donation too , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With 7-zip [7-zip.org].
Consider making a donation too, of course.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089288</id>
	<title>If they'll steal from them they'll steal from you</title>
	<author>aarongadberry</author>
	<datestamp>1258139400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go find an honest employer.  And no, government work doesn't count.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go find an honest employer .
And no , government work does n't count .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go find an honest employer.
And no, government work doesn't count.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089808</id>
	<title>Re:Different Approach</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1258141200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much do you spend training staff to make the switch between Office 2003 and Office 2007, or the upcoming 2010?</p><p>Studies have shown that it is easier to switch from 2003 to OOo than to 2007.</p><p>OOo opens 2003 documents just fine, and handles most 2007 documents without too much trouble. It passes the grandma test, as literally I switched my mother to it, and she thought she was still on MS Office.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much do you spend training staff to make the switch between Office 2003 and Office 2007 , or the upcoming 2010 ? Studies have shown that it is easier to switch from 2003 to OOo than to 2007.OOo opens 2003 documents just fine , and handles most 2007 documents without too much trouble .
It passes the grandma test , as literally I switched my mother to it , and she thought she was still on MS Office .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much do you spend training staff to make the switch between Office 2003 and Office 2007, or the upcoming 2010?Studies have shown that it is easier to switch from 2003 to OOo than to 2007.OOo opens 2003 documents just fine, and handles most 2007 documents without too much trouble.
It passes the grandma test, as literally I switched my mother to it, and she thought she was still on MS Office.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Easy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258103760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Submit purchase requests thru your company's proper channels for the needed software/legally required licenses.<br>2. If that doesn't work, look for a new job.<br>3. Once you have a new job, call the BSA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Submit purchase requests thru your company 's proper channels for the needed software/legally required licenses.2 .
If that does n't work , look for a new job.3 .
Once you have a new job , call the BSA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Submit purchase requests thru your company's proper channels for the needed software/legally required licenses.2.
If that doesn't work, look for a new job.3.
Once you have a new job, call the BSA.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Different Approach</title>
	<author>gunnk</author>
	<datestamp>1258138800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The retraining needed for moving to the current version of OpenOffice is no greater than moving to a new version MS Office from an older one except for the transition away from Access.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The retraining needed for moving to the current version of OpenOffice is no greater than moving to a new version MS Office from an older one except for the transition away from Access .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The retraining needed for moving to the current version of OpenOffice is no greater than moving to a new version MS Office from an older one except for the transition away from Access.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_13_1440208.30089274</id>
	<title>Institutionalized Software Piracy</title>
	<author>djl4570</author>
	<datestamp>1258139340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is commonplace.   At the software vendor (Yeah, a business that makes money on consulting and software licensing)  I used to work at back in 1994 we started rolling out Thinkpads, first to management and Sales then to other customer facing employees.    Someone handed me a single copy of Act and told me to install it on ten systems.   I refused.   He did so himself and spread rumors that I wasn't a team player.   Meanwhile the new data center manager institutionalized software piracy.  We had a single copy of MS Project which was installed on the systems of anyone doing project management.   This pattern was repeated for other software.    My complaints were ignored and I was told to stay out of it.    The data center manager was finally canned after telling someone in senior management that it would take three or four days to buy a modem cable through the vendor he was using.   High stress thankless job working for cheapskate hypocrites.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is commonplace .
At the software vendor ( Yeah , a business that makes money on consulting and software licensing ) I used to work at back in 1994 we started rolling out Thinkpads , first to management and Sales then to other customer facing employees .
Someone handed me a single copy of Act and told me to install it on ten systems .
I refused .
He did so himself and spread rumors that I was n't a team player .
Meanwhile the new data center manager institutionalized software piracy .
We had a single copy of MS Project which was installed on the systems of anyone doing project management .
This pattern was repeated for other software .
My complaints were ignored and I was told to stay out of it .
The data center manager was finally canned after telling someone in senior management that it would take three or four days to buy a modem cable through the vendor he was using .
High stress thankless job working for cheapskate hypocrites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is commonplace.
At the software vendor (Yeah, a business that makes money on consulting and software licensing)  I used to work at back in 1994 we started rolling out Thinkpads, first to management and Sales then to other customer facing employees.
Someone handed me a single copy of Act and told me to install it on ten systems.
I refused.
He did so himself and spread rumors that I wasn't a team player.
Meanwhile the new data center manager institutionalized software piracy.
We had a single copy of MS Project which was installed on the systems of anyone doing project management.
This pattern was repeated for other software.
My complaints were ignored and I was told to stay out of it.
The data center manager was finally canned after telling someone in senior management that it would take three or four days to buy a modem cable through the vendor he was using.
High stress thankless job working for cheapskate hypocrites.</sentencetext>
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