<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_09_1651259</id>
	<title>"Road Trains" Ready To Roll</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1257788880000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>clickclickdrone writes to mention that "<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8349923.stm">road trains</a>," a system linking vehicles together via wireless sensors, could soon be rolled out in Europe.  The system is designed primarily for cutting fuel consumption, travel time, and congestion.  <i>"Funded under the European Commission's Framework 7 research plan, Sartre (Safe Road Trains for the Environment) is aimed at commuters in cars who travel long distances to work every day but will also look at ways to involve commercial vehicles.  Tom Robinson, project co-ordinator at engineering firm Ricardo, said the idea was to use off-the-shelf components to make it possible for cars, buses and trucks to join the road train."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>clickclickdrone writes to mention that " road trains , " a system linking vehicles together via wireless sensors , could soon be rolled out in Europe .
The system is designed primarily for cutting fuel consumption , travel time , and congestion .
" Funded under the European Commission 's Framework 7 research plan , Sartre ( Safe Road Trains for the Environment ) is aimed at commuters in cars who travel long distances to work every day but will also look at ways to involve commercial vehicles .
Tom Robinson , project co-ordinator at engineering firm Ricardo , said the idea was to use off-the-shelf components to make it possible for cars , buses and trucks to join the road train .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>clickclickdrone writes to mention that "road trains," a system linking vehicles together via wireless sensors, could soon be rolled out in Europe.
The system is designed primarily for cutting fuel consumption, travel time, and congestion.
"Funded under the European Commission's Framework 7 research plan, Sartre (Safe Road Trains for the Environment) is aimed at commuters in cars who travel long distances to work every day but will also look at ways to involve commercial vehicles.
Tom Robinson, project co-ordinator at engineering firm Ricardo, said the idea was to use off-the-shelf components to make it possible for cars, buses and trucks to join the road train.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036820</id>
	<title>Re:I just hope...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1257798480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't worry. They will just hire experienced bus drivers! I heard they can drive a 40 hour trip with less than 10 hours of sleep. Also they apparently found a very good deal, from some professionals who won because of their second lowest bid, and because the project manager personally chose his brother's company for being so great at it.<br><br>I mean, what could possibly go wrong?<br><br>&lt;/sarcasm&gt;</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry .
They will just hire experienced bus drivers !
I heard they can drive a 40 hour trip with less than 10 hours of sleep .
Also they apparently found a very good deal , from some professionals who won because of their second lowest bid , and because the project manager personally chose his brother 's company for being so great at it.I mean , what could possibly go wrong ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry.
They will just hire experienced bus drivers!
I heard they can drive a 40 hour trip with less than 10 hours of sleep.
Also they apparently found a very good deal, from some professionals who won because of their second lowest bid, and because the project manager personally chose his brother's company for being so great at it.I mean, what could possibly go wrong?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30045696</id>
	<title>I was thinking of something along these lines a</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257869160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>few years ago when reading an article about plug-in hybrids.  Forget the professional driver, we have all the building blocks to fully automate cars in specialized highway lanes now.  Think of it as a high speed lane with a premium toll charge to pay for maintenance.  Cars need to meet minimum standards such as be a plug-in hybrid modified to pull power from the roadbed, have GPS, on-board distance monitoring sensors, etc, to participate (perhaps checked during a standard annual inspection like many states now require).  I am sure traffic specialists can handle the merge and breakdown issues without too much difficulty.  Basic premise, use an EZ-Pass system or similar to charge for lane access, once in the lane, the car switches to fully electric propulsion and receives a charge from the roadbed (think trolley).  GPS and sensors control location, speed and distance between vehicles.  Make the distance equal the distance of the weakest braking system in the line plus a few feet for safety.  The system would need to alert the driver a few miles before the exit and require some signal from the driver that they were awake and ready to assume manual control (push a button, whatever) before disengaging.  Otherwise, the vehicle could be routed into an overflow area and a signal sent to police or highway personnel to check the driver's status.  This would require some investment in infrastructure, but could be phased in over time and existing vehicles could be retrofitted without much difficulty.  Think of the job opportunities!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>few years ago when reading an article about plug-in hybrids .
Forget the professional driver , we have all the building blocks to fully automate cars in specialized highway lanes now .
Think of it as a high speed lane with a premium toll charge to pay for maintenance .
Cars need to meet minimum standards such as be a plug-in hybrid modified to pull power from the roadbed , have GPS , on-board distance monitoring sensors , etc , to participate ( perhaps checked during a standard annual inspection like many states now require ) .
I am sure traffic specialists can handle the merge and breakdown issues without too much difficulty .
Basic premise , use an EZ-Pass system or similar to charge for lane access , once in the lane , the car switches to fully electric propulsion and receives a charge from the roadbed ( think trolley ) .
GPS and sensors control location , speed and distance between vehicles .
Make the distance equal the distance of the weakest braking system in the line plus a few feet for safety .
The system would need to alert the driver a few miles before the exit and require some signal from the driver that they were awake and ready to assume manual control ( push a button , whatever ) before disengaging .
Otherwise , the vehicle could be routed into an overflow area and a signal sent to police or highway personnel to check the driver 's status .
This would require some investment in infrastructure , but could be phased in over time and existing vehicles could be retrofitted without much difficulty .
Think of the job opportunities !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>few years ago when reading an article about plug-in hybrids.
Forget the professional driver, we have all the building blocks to fully automate cars in specialized highway lanes now.
Think of it as a high speed lane with a premium toll charge to pay for maintenance.
Cars need to meet minimum standards such as be a plug-in hybrid modified to pull power from the roadbed, have GPS, on-board distance monitoring sensors, etc, to participate (perhaps checked during a standard annual inspection like many states now require).
I am sure traffic specialists can handle the merge and breakdown issues without too much difficulty.
Basic premise, use an EZ-Pass system or similar to charge for lane access, once in the lane, the car switches to fully electric propulsion and receives a charge from the roadbed (think trolley).
GPS and sensors control location, speed and distance between vehicles.
Make the distance equal the distance of the weakest braking system in the line plus a few feet for safety.
The system would need to alert the driver a few miles before the exit and require some signal from the driver that they were awake and ready to assume manual control (push a button, whatever) before disengaging.
Otherwise, the vehicle could be routed into an overflow area and a signal sent to police or highway personnel to check the driver's status.
This would require some investment in infrastructure, but could be phased in over time and existing vehicles could be retrofitted without much difficulty.
Think of the job opportunities!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036156</id>
	<title>Re:Mis-application of technology</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1257795360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"telecomumting" = growing flowers remotely?</p><p>All humor aside, agreed.</p><p>Except there are a LOT of jobs that require personal presence, and carpooling has its limits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" telecomumting " = growing flowers remotely ? All humor aside , agreed.Except there are a LOT of jobs that require personal presence , and carpooling has its limits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"telecomumting" = growing flowers remotely?All humor aside, agreed.Except there are a LOT of jobs that require personal presence, and carpooling has its limits.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035506</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037760</id>
	<title>Efficiency not from drafting</title>
	<author>ThrowAwaySociety</author>
	<datestamp>1257759300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ah ah !</p><p>20\% less fuel for the vehicles following the main vehicle..</p><p>(they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)</p><p>Basically, no one will ever want to be in front (look at cycle races.. it only works if people take turns at being the 1st in line..)</p><p>--Ivan</p></div><p>Presumably, the efficiency comes from the lack of stop-and-go (and other variations in speed) not from "drafting" behind the lead car.</p><p>Drafting requires extreme proximity between vehicles...we're talking like 6ft/2m or so for vehicles of typical size. At even moderate highway speeds (60mph/100kph) that leaves about a twentieth of a second between vehicles, which is probably too much for even a computer to manage effectively, given the limits of the mechanical systems involved. And at lower speeds, the advantage of drafting is negligible.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah ah ! 20 \ % less fuel for the vehicles following the main vehicle.. ( they forget to mention the * EXTRA * fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others.. ) Basically , no one will ever want to be in front ( look at cycle races.. it only works if people take turns at being the 1st in line.. ) --IvanPresumably , the efficiency comes from the lack of stop-and-go ( and other variations in speed ) not from " drafting " behind the lead car.Drafting requires extreme proximity between vehicles...we 're talking like 6ft/2m or so for vehicles of typical size .
At even moderate highway speeds ( 60mph/100kph ) that leaves about a twentieth of a second between vehicles , which is probably too much for even a computer to manage effectively , given the limits of the mechanical systems involved .
And at lower speeds , the advantage of drafting is negligible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah ah !20\% less fuel for the vehicles following the main vehicle..(they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)Basically, no one will ever want to be in front (look at cycle races.. it only works if people take turns at being the 1st in line..)--IvanPresumably, the efficiency comes from the lack of stop-and-go (and other variations in speed) not from "drafting" behind the lead car.Drafting requires extreme proximity between vehicles...we're talking like 6ft/2m or so for vehicles of typical size.
At even moderate highway speeds (60mph/100kph) that leaves about a twentieth of a second between vehicles, which is probably too much for even a computer to manage effectively, given the limits of the mechanical systems involved.
And at lower speeds, the advantage of drafting is negligible.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035476</id>
	<title>Tailgating to the max</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257792840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This seems like a risky move, but it sure looks cool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This seems like a risky move , but it sure looks cool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems like a risky move, but it sure looks cool.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037634</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257758760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes and what about the 90\% of the time when the sensor has failed before the part does. Then we get stoppages in traffic every time a check engine light pops on because an emissions sensor went bad.</p><p>Also: Computers also do a much better job of fuel consumption and control</p><p>Yes that may be true but I bet you that the rules are not going to be set by mathematical efficiency formulas, they will be set by politicians who believe the idiots who say you get better fuel consumption cruising at 35mph (1500 RPM) than you do at 70mph (2600RPM) much closer to the power peak of the engine. Until the people in charge of the system gain a basic knowledge of physics and the mechanics of the internal combustion engine the system will be flawed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes and what about the 90 \ % of the time when the sensor has failed before the part does .
Then we get stoppages in traffic every time a check engine light pops on because an emissions sensor went bad.Also : Computers also do a much better job of fuel consumption and controlYes that may be true but I bet you that the rules are not going to be set by mathematical efficiency formulas , they will be set by politicians who believe the idiots who say you get better fuel consumption cruising at 35mph ( 1500 RPM ) than you do at 70mph ( 2600RPM ) much closer to the power peak of the engine .
Until the people in charge of the system gain a basic knowledge of physics and the mechanics of the internal combustion engine the system will be flawed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes and what about the 90\% of the time when the sensor has failed before the part does.
Then we get stoppages in traffic every time a check engine light pops on because an emissions sensor went bad.Also: Computers also do a much better job of fuel consumption and controlYes that may be true but I bet you that the rules are not going to be set by mathematical efficiency formulas, they will be set by politicians who believe the idiots who say you get better fuel consumption cruising at 35mph (1500 RPM) than you do at 70mph (2600RPM) much closer to the power peak of the engine.
Until the people in charge of the system gain a basic knowledge of physics and the mechanics of the internal combustion engine the system will be flawed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036640</id>
	<title>Re:I just hope...</title>
	<author>Wonko the Sane</author>
	<datestamp>1257797760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It sucks that this system even needs a professional driver to begin with. A better system would be fully  peer-to-peer in that any two cars that happened to be traveling in the same direction could link up.</p><p>Of course that would break this company's buisness model, but it would make sense for the car manufacturers to implement it that way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It sucks that this system even needs a professional driver to begin with .
A better system would be fully peer-to-peer in that any two cars that happened to be traveling in the same direction could link up.Of course that would break this company 's buisness model , but it would make sense for the car manufacturers to implement it that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sucks that this system even needs a professional driver to begin with.
A better system would be fully  peer-to-peer in that any two cars that happened to be traveling in the same direction could link up.Of course that would break this company's buisness model, but it would make sense for the car manufacturers to implement it that way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038368</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1257761880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You might want to actually <i>read</i> something about it. As soon as one car brakes, all the other ones brake <i>at the same time</i>. Braking is automatic, and there's radar to determine the car in front's deceleration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You might want to actually read something about it .
As soon as one car brakes , all the other ones brake at the same time .
Braking is automatic , and there 's radar to determine the car in front 's deceleration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might want to actually read something about it.
As soon as one car brakes, all the other ones brake at the same time.
Braking is automatic, and there's radar to determine the car in front's deceleration.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041680</id>
	<title>Already done - 1977</title>
	<author>quanta</author>
	<datestamp>1257781320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GM did this "car train" thing as an advanced research project back in the late 1970's in Cincinnati, OH.<br>Couldn't find a link, but remember reading about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GM did this " car train " thing as an advanced research project back in the late 1970 's in Cincinnati , OH.Could n't find a link , but remember reading about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GM did this "car train" thing as an advanced research project back in the late 1970's in Cincinnati, OH.Couldn't find a link, but remember reading about it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035478</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30045066</id>
	<title>That's not a road train!</title>
	<author>shplorb</author>
	<datestamp>1257865920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.mrupp.info/Photos/2005-Australia/katherine\_roadtrain.jpg" title="mrupp.info">THIS</a> [mrupp.info] is a road train. =]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>THIS [ mrupp.info ] is a road train .
= ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>THIS [mrupp.info] is a road train.
=]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041620</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>Wayne247</author>
	<datestamp>1257780660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You see, the road system is not something you can just dump cars on. It's not a big hard drive. It's a series of interconnected data cables.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You see , the road system is not something you can just dump cars on .
It 's not a big hard drive .
It 's a series of interconnected data cables .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You see, the road system is not something you can just dump cars on.
It's not a big hard drive.
It's a series of interconnected data cables.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036400</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038120</id>
	<title>Re:What hath the free market wrought?</title>
	<author>SleazyRidr</author>
	<datestamp>1257760860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's no reason a private company couldn't set up something like this. Pay a subscription then when you see one of your companies cars you can go and join the train on the highway. A couple of bribes will have the traffic code altered to allow these, and the free market will take care of the rest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no reason a private company could n't set up something like this .
Pay a subscription then when you see one of your companies cars you can go and join the train on the highway .
A couple of bribes will have the traffic code altered to allow these , and the free market will take care of the rest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no reason a private company couldn't set up something like this.
Pay a subscription then when you see one of your companies cars you can go and join the train on the highway.
A couple of bribes will have the traffic code altered to allow these, and the free market will take care of the rest.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035478</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036082</id>
	<title>Theory versus implementation prediction</title>
	<author>bobdotorg</author>
	<datestamp>1257795060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Theory:                    Sartre<br>Implementation:    Kafka</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Theory : SartreImplementation : Kafka</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Theory:                    SartreImplementation:    Kafka</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041312</id>
	<title>You're missing the point.</title>
	<author>nuckfuts</author>
	<datestamp>1257778080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What you should do is create a dedicated lane that is controlled entirely by computer...</p></div><p>If you had bothered to RTFA, you might have noticed this statement:
</p><p><div class="quote"><p>We're looking at what it would take to get platooning on public highways without making big changes to the public highways themselves.</p></div><p>They're not claiming this is the best or only way to do this. They're specifically looking for a solution that would work on <strong>existing</strong> highways.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What you should do is create a dedicated lane that is controlled entirely by computer...If you had bothered to RTFA , you might have noticed this statement : We 're looking at what it would take to get platooning on public highways without making big changes to the public highways themselves.They 're not claiming this is the best or only way to do this .
They 're specifically looking for a solution that would work on existing highways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you should do is create a dedicated lane that is controlled entirely by computer...If you had bothered to RTFA, you might have noticed this statement:
We're looking at what it would take to get platooning on public highways without making big changes to the public highways themselves.They're not claiming this is the best or only way to do this.
They're specifically looking for a solution that would work on existing highways.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035984</id>
	<title>Re:Good general idea, but implementation...</title>
	<author>Sique</author>
	<datestamp>1257794760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This sounds like a major obstacle to me. One professional, presumably paid, driver to every eight vehicles sounds expensive and pretty impractical.</p> </div><p>No, the driver is not there to wait for cars wanting to form a road train. The professional driver is there because he has to drive the route anyway, transporting freight or whatever. Road trains will be formed spontaneously, when someone decides to join the truck and tailgate it. And as soon as the leading truck is heading somewhere else, you are free to leave the road train again.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like a major obstacle to me .
One professional , presumably paid , driver to every eight vehicles sounds expensive and pretty impractical .
No , the driver is not there to wait for cars wanting to form a road train .
The professional driver is there because he has to drive the route anyway , transporting freight or whatever .
Road trains will be formed spontaneously , when someone decides to join the truck and tailgate it .
And as soon as the leading truck is heading somewhere else , you are free to leave the road train again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like a major obstacle to me.
One professional, presumably paid, driver to every eight vehicles sounds expensive and pretty impractical.
No, the driver is not there to wait for cars wanting to form a road train.
The professional driver is there because he has to drive the route anyway, transporting freight or whatever.
Road trains will be formed spontaneously, when someone decides to join the truck and tailgate it.
And as soon as the leading truck is heading somewhere else, you are free to leave the road train again.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035678</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036182</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1257795480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You're handing control over to another driver, who may very well decide not to brake and cause a five car pileup, or worse. Also, there's no way to know the mechanical status of the vehicle -- what if one of them blows a tire, or runs out of gas, or the engine seizes?</p></div><p>Seems the trial lawyers will make a lot of money.  Or perhaps the end users get screwed.  Or, most likely, both?</p><p>What if the "lead driver" rides the brakes, thus smoking my brakes/warping my disks?</p><p>What if something falls off / out of a car ahead of me (a more common occurrence than you'd think), can I quickly escape the train, and who is liable when by design I can not?</p><p>What if the guy in front of me is one of those smokers whom flicks ashes all over my car ventilation system?  Bonus points if I'm allergic / asthmatic?  Or an unmaintained beater pumping my car full of particulates, unburned hydrocarbons, and carbon monoxide?  I bet an unmaintained diesel could literally kill someone, maybe not the driver, maybe a passenger, maybe a sleeping baby...  What if a driver in the train passes out from the CO fumes, or has a heart attack or whatever, is everyone in front of him just dead meat when he plows into them?</p><p>What if the lead driver successfully goes thru a big puddle, flooding my intake and blowing my engine, and then I'm crashed into by the remainder of the train?</p><p>What if its typical winter weather conditions, with patches of ice/snow, my car is ordered to brake, but I spin out of control into other vehicles because my individual car was on a patch of snow/ice/sand at that instant?  Or just simply plow into the vehicles in front of me, whom can't accelerate out of the way because they are now temporarily on an icy patch?</p><p>What if, being the ridiculously hyper-paranoid USA, the lead vehicle is a terrorist/rapist/pedo/filesharer (according to my TV, aren't they all the same?)</p><p>What if, the lead vehicle routes us thru an area that is ethnically incorrect, and the police pull me over (the crime of Driving While Black in a White Neighborhood, etc).</p><p>What if a vehicle is carjacked while in a train, is the lead vehicle liable?  What if the lead vehicle was working with the carjackers?</p><p>What if the lead driver drives over a pothole fast enough to set off my airbag, but not his?</p><p>What if the lead vehicle makes a minor traffic error that results in no physical problems, but some legal problems?  Like not slowing down for an unmarked speedtrap?  Everyone gets a ticket, only the lead, maybe the system designer or manufacturer or dealership?  Who pays for the higher insurance?</p><p>I would think adding this feature would result in a spectacular car insurance bill...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're handing control over to another driver , who may very well decide not to brake and cause a five car pileup , or worse .
Also , there 's no way to know the mechanical status of the vehicle -- what if one of them blows a tire , or runs out of gas , or the engine seizes ? Seems the trial lawyers will make a lot of money .
Or perhaps the end users get screwed .
Or , most likely , both ? What if the " lead driver " rides the brakes , thus smoking my brakes/warping my disks ? What if something falls off / out of a car ahead of me ( a more common occurrence than you 'd think ) , can I quickly escape the train , and who is liable when by design I can not ? What if the guy in front of me is one of those smokers whom flicks ashes all over my car ventilation system ?
Bonus points if I 'm allergic / asthmatic ?
Or an unmaintained beater pumping my car full of particulates , unburned hydrocarbons , and carbon monoxide ?
I bet an unmaintained diesel could literally kill someone , maybe not the driver , maybe a passenger , maybe a sleeping baby... What if a driver in the train passes out from the CO fumes , or has a heart attack or whatever , is everyone in front of him just dead meat when he plows into them ? What if the lead driver successfully goes thru a big puddle , flooding my intake and blowing my engine , and then I 'm crashed into by the remainder of the train ? What if its typical winter weather conditions , with patches of ice/snow , my car is ordered to brake , but I spin out of control into other vehicles because my individual car was on a patch of snow/ice/sand at that instant ?
Or just simply plow into the vehicles in front of me , whom ca n't accelerate out of the way because they are now temporarily on an icy patch ? What if , being the ridiculously hyper-paranoid USA , the lead vehicle is a terrorist/rapist/pedo/filesharer ( according to my TV , are n't they all the same ?
) What if , the lead vehicle routes us thru an area that is ethnically incorrect , and the police pull me over ( the crime of Driving While Black in a White Neighborhood , etc ) .What if a vehicle is carjacked while in a train , is the lead vehicle liable ?
What if the lead vehicle was working with the carjackers ? What if the lead driver drives over a pothole fast enough to set off my airbag , but not his ? What if the lead vehicle makes a minor traffic error that results in no physical problems , but some legal problems ?
Like not slowing down for an unmarked speedtrap ?
Everyone gets a ticket , only the lead , maybe the system designer or manufacturer or dealership ?
Who pays for the higher insurance ? I would think adding this feature would result in a spectacular car insurance bill.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're handing control over to another driver, who may very well decide not to brake and cause a five car pileup, or worse.
Also, there's no way to know the mechanical status of the vehicle -- what if one of them blows a tire, or runs out of gas, or the engine seizes?Seems the trial lawyers will make a lot of money.
Or perhaps the end users get screwed.
Or, most likely, both?What if the "lead driver" rides the brakes, thus smoking my brakes/warping my disks?What if something falls off / out of a car ahead of me (a more common occurrence than you'd think), can I quickly escape the train, and who is liable when by design I can not?What if the guy in front of me is one of those smokers whom flicks ashes all over my car ventilation system?
Bonus points if I'm allergic / asthmatic?
Or an unmaintained beater pumping my car full of particulates, unburned hydrocarbons, and carbon monoxide?
I bet an unmaintained diesel could literally kill someone, maybe not the driver, maybe a passenger, maybe a sleeping baby...  What if a driver in the train passes out from the CO fumes, or has a heart attack or whatever, is everyone in front of him just dead meat when he plows into them?What if the lead driver successfully goes thru a big puddle, flooding my intake and blowing my engine, and then I'm crashed into by the remainder of the train?What if its typical winter weather conditions, with patches of ice/snow, my car is ordered to brake, but I spin out of control into other vehicles because my individual car was on a patch of snow/ice/sand at that instant?
Or just simply plow into the vehicles in front of me, whom can't accelerate out of the way because they are now temporarily on an icy patch?What if, being the ridiculously hyper-paranoid USA, the lead vehicle is a terrorist/rapist/pedo/filesharer (according to my TV, aren't they all the same?
)What if, the lead vehicle routes us thru an area that is ethnically incorrect, and the police pull me over (the crime of Driving While Black in a White Neighborhood, etc).What if a vehicle is carjacked while in a train, is the lead vehicle liable?
What if the lead vehicle was working with the carjackers?What if the lead driver drives over a pothole fast enough to set off my airbag, but not his?What if the lead vehicle makes a minor traffic error that results in no physical problems, but some legal problems?
Like not slowing down for an unmarked speedtrap?
Everyone gets a ticket, only the lead, maybe the system designer or manufacturer or dealership?
Who pays for the higher insurance?I would think adding this feature would result in a spectacular car insurance bill...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036046</id>
	<title>I see what this is...</title>
	<author>jDeepbeep</author>
	<datestamp>1257795000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now the distracted drivers can have their twitter/text/calls/lipstick/ etc and not get pulled over for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now the distracted drivers can have their twitter/text/calls/lipstick/ etc and not get pulled over for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now the distracted drivers can have their twitter/text/calls/lipstick/ etc and not get pulled over for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30043066</id>
	<title>Road train? That's not a road train...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257884940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>..this</b> is a <a href="http://www.mrupp.info/Photos/2005-Australia/katherine\_roadtrain.jpg" title="mrupp.info" rel="nofollow">road train</a> [mrupp.info]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..this is a road train [ mrupp.info ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..this is a road train [mrupp.info]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037616</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257758700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While Ethernet uses Carrier Sense/Collision detection,  Wifi uses Carrier sense/Collision avoidance.<br>The clients asks the Access point permission  to transmit.</p><p>Presumably, vehicles would ask the central computer permission to enter the stream of traffic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While Ethernet uses Carrier Sense/Collision detection , Wifi uses Carrier sense/Collision avoidance.The clients asks the Access point permission to transmit.Presumably , vehicles would ask the central computer permission to enter the stream of traffic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While Ethernet uses Carrier Sense/Collision detection,  Wifi uses Carrier sense/Collision avoidance.The clients asks the Access point permission  to transmit.Presumably, vehicles would ask the central computer permission to enter the stream of traffic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035684</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044754</id>
	<title>Re:Train Wreck</title>
	<author>CubicleView</author>
	<datestamp>1257864060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aside from being a dup apparently, your post is actually a blatantly obvious observation about<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. so I guess that sort of makes you part of your own problem. It's annoying to see all the same questions being repeated, but I don't see why people can't discuss the blatantly obvious problems, at least without being patronized.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Aside from being a dup apparently , your post is actually a blatantly obvious observation about / .
so I guess that sort of makes you part of your own problem .
It 's annoying to see all the same questions being repeated , but I do n't see why people ca n't discuss the blatantly obvious problems , at least without being patronized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aside from being a dup apparently, your post is actually a blatantly obvious observation about /.
so I guess that sort of makes you part of your own problem.
It's annoying to see all the same questions being repeated, but I don't see why people can't discuss the blatantly obvious problems, at least without being patronized.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039390</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035922</id>
	<title>Re:What hath the free market wrought?</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1257794520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well considering the internet evolved from a government project I'd say there isn't going to be any heads exploding over this.  Especially if it has military applications which it probably does.  Reducing fuel expenditure is a tactical advantage and the vast majority of free market types still support the idea of the government fulfilling the role of national defense to some degree.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well considering the internet evolved from a government project I 'd say there is n't going to be any heads exploding over this .
Especially if it has military applications which it probably does .
Reducing fuel expenditure is a tactical advantage and the vast majority of free market types still support the idea of the government fulfilling the role of national defense to some degree .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well considering the internet evolved from a government project I'd say there isn't going to be any heads exploding over this.
Especially if it has military applications which it probably does.
Reducing fuel expenditure is a tactical advantage and the vast majority of free market types still support the idea of the government fulfilling the role of national defense to some degree.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035478</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036210</id>
	<title>Re:Funny coincidence</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1257795660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hell, apparently, is other drivers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell , apparently , is other drivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell, apparently, is other drivers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035512</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036292</id>
	<title>Re:I just hope...</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1257796140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That you can check the professional driver's safety record before joining the train.</p></div><p>And his blood alcohol content?  Which brings up a fascinating scenario.  Could you bring an unopened booze bottle into a car and then join a train?  Then chug the booze, with the plan that you'd sober up well before your 2 hour commute is over?  But, something happens, and the train kicks you out?  Now you're DWI, but its someone elses fault?</p><p>Or, even if no drinking was done in the car, if your digestion was slow enough that your BAC was below the limit BOTH before and after you joined the train, but while you were a passive passenger in the train, it was above the limit, is that still legally DWI even if you were not driving?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That you can check the professional driver 's safety record before joining the train.And his blood alcohol content ?
Which brings up a fascinating scenario .
Could you bring an unopened booze bottle into a car and then join a train ?
Then chug the booze , with the plan that you 'd sober up well before your 2 hour commute is over ?
But , something happens , and the train kicks you out ?
Now you 're DWI , but its someone elses fault ? Or , even if no drinking was done in the car , if your digestion was slow enough that your BAC was below the limit BOTH before and after you joined the train , but while you were a passive passenger in the train , it was above the limit , is that still legally DWI even if you were not driving ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That you can check the professional driver's safety record before joining the train.And his blood alcohol content?
Which brings up a fascinating scenario.
Could you bring an unopened booze bottle into a car and then join a train?
Then chug the booze, with the plan that you'd sober up well before your 2 hour commute is over?
But, something happens, and the train kicks you out?
Now you're DWI, but its someone elses fault?Or, even if no drinking was done in the car, if your digestion was slow enough that your BAC was below the limit BOTH before and after you joined the train, but while you were a passive passenger in the train, it was above the limit, is that still legally DWI even if you were not driving?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035624</id>
	<title>Buy it now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257793440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can already get this tech if you splurge for an S-class Mercedes:</p><p><a href="http://www.benzinsider.com/2008/06/distronic-plus-and-brake-assist-plus-reduce-rear-end-collisions-by-20/" title="benzinsider.com">http://www.benzinsider.com/2008/06/distronic-plus-and-brake-assist-plus-reduce-rear-end-collisions-by-20/</a> [benzinsider.com]</p><p>It would be a cool DIY project, too. Don't tell your insurance company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can already get this tech if you splurge for an S-class Mercedes : http : //www.benzinsider.com/2008/06/distronic-plus-and-brake-assist-plus-reduce-rear-end-collisions-by-20/ [ benzinsider.com ] It would be a cool DIY project , too .
Do n't tell your insurance company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can already get this tech if you splurge for an S-class Mercedes:http://www.benzinsider.com/2008/06/distronic-plus-and-brake-assist-plus-reduce-rear-end-collisions-by-20/ [benzinsider.com]It would be a cool DIY project, too.
Don't tell your insurance company.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038852</id>
	<title>Re:Reminds me of a dream I once had</title>
	<author>Sponge Bath</author>
	<datestamp>1257763860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr><i>...the motorized luggage holder comes along and dutifully throws itself off the cliff as well</i></p><p>I actually saw a non automated version of this event happen. Going down a steep hill in Austin Texas, a trailer pulled by an SUV came off the hitch but was still trailing the SUV at high speed. The driver floored it to try and stay ahead.</p><p>What I saw out my office windows was the SUV fly by at warp speed, followed by the now cart wheeling trailer. Somehow the whole thing came to a halt at the bottom with no injuries. The driver got out, looked at the smashed up trailer and said "good thing nobody was standing there".</p><p>To make this ramble on topic, I would say that no matter how fail safe a setup is, there is a human stupid enough to fuck it up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...the motorized luggage holder comes along and dutifully throws itself off the cliff as wellI actually saw a non automated version of this event happen .
Going down a steep hill in Austin Texas , a trailer pulled by an SUV came off the hitch but was still trailing the SUV at high speed .
The driver floored it to try and stay ahead.What I saw out my office windows was the SUV fly by at warp speed , followed by the now cart wheeling trailer .
Somehow the whole thing came to a halt at the bottom with no injuries .
The driver got out , looked at the smashed up trailer and said " good thing nobody was standing there " .To make this ramble on topic , I would say that no matter how fail safe a setup is , there is a human stupid enough to fuck it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...the motorized luggage holder comes along and dutifully throws itself off the cliff as wellI actually saw a non automated version of this event happen.
Going down a steep hill in Austin Texas, a trailer pulled by an SUV came off the hitch but was still trailing the SUV at high speed.
The driver floored it to try and stay ahead.What I saw out my office windows was the SUV fly by at warp speed, followed by the now cart wheeling trailer.
Somehow the whole thing came to a halt at the bottom with no injuries.
The driver got out, looked at the smashed up trailer and said "good thing nobody was standing there".To make this ramble on topic, I would say that no matter how fail safe a setup is, there is a human stupid enough to fuck it up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035688</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035840</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>allknowingfrog</author>
	<datestamp>1257794160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you actually read the article, they explain that the goal of this program is cost-effectiveness, and that implementing the network you just described would be too expensive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you actually read the article , they explain that the goal of this program is cost-effectiveness , and that implementing the network you just described would be too expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you actually read the article, they explain that the goal of this program is cost-effectiveness, and that implementing the network you just described would be too expensive.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035702</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>schnikies79</author>
	<datestamp>1257793740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen at least half-a-dozen deer on the roads in the last couple of weeks.  How is this going to work when one decides to run right through the middle of the train?</p><p>No chance in hell I would be a part of this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen at least half-a-dozen deer on the roads in the last couple of weeks .
How is this going to work when one decides to run right through the middle of the train ? No chance in hell I would be a part of this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen at least half-a-dozen deer on the roads in the last couple of weeks.
How is this going to work when one decides to run right through the middle of the train?No chance in hell I would be a part of this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035610</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257793320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't forget that if you're in front you're <i>winning</i>. A true gamer has rear view mirrors that say "Objects in  mirror are losing".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget that if you 're in front you 're winning .
A true gamer has rear view mirrors that say " Objects in mirror are losing " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget that if you're in front you're winning.
A true gamer has rear view mirrors that say "Objects in  mirror are losing".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039390</id>
	<title>Re:Train Wreck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257766200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>OK - imagine this scenario: a large number of very intelligent specialists work for years on this idea and the necessary tech is implemented in every European car and noone ever thought of the 100\% obvious first-problem-any-person-would-come-up-with-when-introduced-to-this-idea problem smitty777 discovered with the vast power of his uber-brain. European roads then become deathtraps, depopulating the continent like it's 1349.<p>
I'm just sayin, every<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. article with new ideas gets swamped by people stating absolutely obvious problems as if the people working on that project were all functionally retarded. I said the same thing just a few days ago but this article really brought the geniuses out of the woodwork like I haven't seen in some time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK - imagine this scenario : a large number of very intelligent specialists work for years on this idea and the necessary tech is implemented in every European car and noone ever thought of the 100 \ % obvious first-problem-any-person-would-come-up-with-when-introduced-to-this-idea problem smitty777 discovered with the vast power of his uber-brain .
European roads then become deathtraps , depopulating the continent like it 's 1349 .
I 'm just sayin , every / .
article with new ideas gets swamped by people stating absolutely obvious problems as if the people working on that project were all functionally retarded .
I said the same thing just a few days ago but this article really brought the geniuses out of the woodwork like I have n't seen in some time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK - imagine this scenario: a large number of very intelligent specialists work for years on this idea and the necessary tech is implemented in every European car and noone ever thought of the 100\% obvious first-problem-any-person-would-come-up-with-when-introduced-to-this-idea problem smitty777 discovered with the vast power of his uber-brain.
European roads then become deathtraps, depopulating the continent like it's 1349.
I'm just sayin, every /.
article with new ideas gets swamped by people stating absolutely obvious problems as if the people working on that project were all functionally retarded.
I said the same thing just a few days ago but this article really brought the geniuses out of the woodwork like I haven't seen in some time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036016</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30048366</id>
	<title>Re:Efficiency not from drafting</title>
	<author>holmstar</author>
	<datestamp>1257878820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Drafting requires extreme proximity between vehicles...we're talking like 6ft/2m or so for vehicles of typical size. At even moderate highway speeds (60mph/100kph) that leaves about a twentieth of a second between vehicles, which is probably too much for even a computer to manage effectively, given the limits of the mechanical systems involved. And at lower speeds, the advantage of drafting is negligible.</p></div><p>They are proposing doing exactly what you describe.  Cars driving at high speeds only a few feet apart.  It can certainly be done in cars that are built to that purpose.  True, retrofitting existing cars would be tricky, because they generally aren't built for that kind of fine control, but building cars to that spec is just an engineering problem.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Drafting requires extreme proximity between vehicles...we 're talking like 6ft/2m or so for vehicles of typical size .
At even moderate highway speeds ( 60mph/100kph ) that leaves about a twentieth of a second between vehicles , which is probably too much for even a computer to manage effectively , given the limits of the mechanical systems involved .
And at lower speeds , the advantage of drafting is negligible.They are proposing doing exactly what you describe .
Cars driving at high speeds only a few feet apart .
It can certainly be done in cars that are built to that purpose .
True , retrofitting existing cars would be tricky , because they generally are n't built for that kind of fine control , but building cars to that spec is just an engineering problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Drafting requires extreme proximity between vehicles...we're talking like 6ft/2m or so for vehicles of typical size.
At even moderate highway speeds (60mph/100kph) that leaves about a twentieth of a second between vehicles, which is probably too much for even a computer to manage effectively, given the limits of the mechanical systems involved.
And at lower speeds, the advantage of drafting is negligible.They are proposing doing exactly what you describe.
Cars driving at high speeds only a few feet apart.
It can certainly be done in cars that are built to that purpose.
True, retrofitting existing cars would be tricky, because they generally aren't built for that kind of fine control, but building cars to that spec is just an engineering problem.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037760</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</id>
	<title>road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1257793200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're handing control over to another driver, who may very well decide not to brake and cause a five car pileup, or worse. Also, there's no way to know the mechanical status of the vehicle -- what if one of them blows a tire, or runs out of gas, or the engine seizes?</p><p>What you should do is create a dedicated lane that is controlled entirely by computer, and you program your exit/entry point at that time, and let the signal and control computers handle traffic management. If an unauthorized vehicle enters the lane, sensors will immediately detect it, alert nearby drivers (and disengage), and send the police to go catch captain speedy pants and send him to a pants-down facility. Computers also do a much better job of fuel consumption and control... I mean, it'd basically be a packet-switched network, but with cars instead of pieces of data. It's a relatively benign IT problem.</p><p>As well, vehicle breakdowns would be handled a lot better because the system would be tied directly to the onboard computer and navigation systems: Just like lorries/semi-trucks operating on the road today. Having spoken to a commercial truck driver, I can tell you that the computer often knows about mechanical problems before the driver does, and their systems are pre-programmed to alert a dispatcher, who will send a rescue/repair vehicle out in situ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're handing control over to another driver , who may very well decide not to brake and cause a five car pileup , or worse .
Also , there 's no way to know the mechanical status of the vehicle -- what if one of them blows a tire , or runs out of gas , or the engine seizes ? What you should do is create a dedicated lane that is controlled entirely by computer , and you program your exit/entry point at that time , and let the signal and control computers handle traffic management .
If an unauthorized vehicle enters the lane , sensors will immediately detect it , alert nearby drivers ( and disengage ) , and send the police to go catch captain speedy pants and send him to a pants-down facility .
Computers also do a much better job of fuel consumption and control... I mean , it 'd basically be a packet-switched network , but with cars instead of pieces of data .
It 's a relatively benign IT problem.As well , vehicle breakdowns would be handled a lot better because the system would be tied directly to the onboard computer and navigation systems : Just like lorries/semi-trucks operating on the road today .
Having spoken to a commercial truck driver , I can tell you that the computer often knows about mechanical problems before the driver does , and their systems are pre-programmed to alert a dispatcher , who will send a rescue/repair vehicle out in situ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're handing control over to another driver, who may very well decide not to brake and cause a five car pileup, or worse.
Also, there's no way to know the mechanical status of the vehicle -- what if one of them blows a tire, or runs out of gas, or the engine seizes?What you should do is create a dedicated lane that is controlled entirely by computer, and you program your exit/entry point at that time, and let the signal and control computers handle traffic management.
If an unauthorized vehicle enters the lane, sensors will immediately detect it, alert nearby drivers (and disengage), and send the police to go catch captain speedy pants and send him to a pants-down facility.
Computers also do a much better job of fuel consumption and control... I mean, it'd basically be a packet-switched network, but with cars instead of pieces of data.
It's a relatively benign IT problem.As well, vehicle breakdowns would be handled a lot better because the system would be tied directly to the onboard computer and navigation systems: Just like lorries/semi-trucks operating on the road today.
Having spoken to a commercial truck driver, I can tell you that the computer often knows about mechanical problems before the driver does, and their systems are pre-programmed to alert a dispatcher, who will send a rescue/repair vehicle out in situ.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041198</id>
	<title>Re:Train Wreck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257776880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was not supposed to happen to car 4, the wheels were supposed to fall off...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was not supposed to happen to car 4 , the wheels were supposed to fall off.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was not supposed to happen to car 4, the wheels were supposed to fall off...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036016</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039330</id>
	<title>A part of Framework 7 research plan?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257765900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been involved in a few of the projects financed by this plan. Let's just say that delivering a working (or even realistic) system is not part of the objectives of most of those projets. Oh yeah, and in order to get funded, your proposal has to read like a SF book and usually has to involve a real AI.</p><p>Really those projets are designed to bring together companies and academics, and to distribute lots of money. Advancing the state of the art is nothing but a nice (and unexpected) side effect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been involved in a few of the projects financed by this plan .
Let 's just say that delivering a working ( or even realistic ) system is not part of the objectives of most of those projets .
Oh yeah , and in order to get funded , your proposal has to read like a SF book and usually has to involve a real AI.Really those projets are designed to bring together companies and academics , and to distribute lots of money .
Advancing the state of the art is nothing but a nice ( and unexpected ) side effect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been involved in a few of the projects financed by this plan.
Let's just say that delivering a working (or even realistic) system is not part of the objectives of most of those projets.
Oh yeah, and in order to get funded, your proposal has to read like a SF book and usually has to involve a real AI.Really those projets are designed to bring together companies and academics, and to distribute lots of money.
Advancing the state of the art is nothing but a nice (and unexpected) side effect.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30042088</id>
	<title>Re:Train Wreck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257785340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>riiiight, and the space program never had any failures, and computer programs never have bugs or even crash!  Isn't this a wonderful world we live in?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>riiiight , and the space program never had any failures , and computer programs never have bugs or even crash !
Is n't this a wonderful world we live in ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>riiiight, and the space program never had any failures, and computer programs never have bugs or even crash!
Isn't this a wonderful world we live in?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039390</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</id>
	<title>Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257792900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah ah !</p><p>20\% less fuel for the vehicles following the main vehicle..</p><p>(they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)</p><p>Basically, no one will ever want to be in front (look at cycle races.. it only works if people take turns at being the 1st in line..)</p><p>--Ivan</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah ah ! 20 \ % less fuel for the vehicles following the main vehicle.. ( they forget to mention the * EXTRA * fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others.. ) Basically , no one will ever want to be in front ( look at cycle races.. it only works if people take turns at being the 1st in line.. ) --Ivan</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah ah !20\% less fuel for the vehicles following the main vehicle..(they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)Basically, no one will ever want to be in front (look at cycle races.. it only works if people take turns at being the 1st in line..)--Ivan</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30040326</id>
	<title>Re:Train Wreck</title>
	<author>caywen</author>
	<datestamp>1257771240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would they unlink? I'd think they would sense (or be notified) that the car in front of them is slowing down rapidly and follow suit.</p><p>To me, a bigger deal would be the lead car - a big, burly vehicle designed to withstand major pain - decides to force its way through a big ass pothole. Then one by one, all the followers submit claims to their insurance companies to fix their damaged suspensions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would they unlink ?
I 'd think they would sense ( or be notified ) that the car in front of them is slowing down rapidly and follow suit.To me , a bigger deal would be the lead car - a big , burly vehicle designed to withstand major pain - decides to force its way through a big ass pothole .
Then one by one , all the followers submit claims to their insurance companies to fix their damaged suspensions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would they unlink?
I'd think they would sense (or be notified) that the car in front of them is slowing down rapidly and follow suit.To me, a bigger deal would be the lead car - a big, burly vehicle designed to withstand major pain - decides to force its way through a big ass pothole.
Then one by one, all the followers submit claims to their insurance companies to fix their damaged suspensions.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036016</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041808</id>
	<title>Not "soon"</title>
	<author>URSpider</author>
	<datestamp>1257782580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article never says that such a system "could soon be rolled out in Europe."  What it says is that the European Union is doling out grant money to researchers to study such a system, and that they might try some live experiments.  It's pretty clear that this is still a research project, with many technical, regulatory, and societal hurdles to clear before we see it in action.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article never says that such a system " could soon be rolled out in Europe .
" What it says is that the European Union is doling out grant money to researchers to study such a system , and that they might try some live experiments .
It 's pretty clear that this is still a research project , with many technical , regulatory , and societal hurdles to clear before we see it in action .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article never says that such a system "could soon be rolled out in Europe.
"  What it says is that the European Union is doling out grant money to researchers to study such a system, and that they might try some live experiments.
It's pretty clear that this is still a research project, with many technical, regulatory, and societal hurdles to clear before we see it in action.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036276</id>
	<title>Re:Tailgating to the max</title>
	<author>daem0n1x</author>
	<datestamp>1257796080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Here in Europe, we already use these trains during rush hour. They can reach lengths of many kilometers.
</p><p>
We call them traffic jams. And we don' need no stinkin' wireless link.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in Europe , we already use these trains during rush hour .
They can reach lengths of many kilometers .
We call them traffic jams .
And we don ' need no stinkin ' wireless link .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Here in Europe, we already use these trains during rush hour.
They can reach lengths of many kilometers.
We call them traffic jams.
And we don' need no stinkin' wireless link.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035476</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036686</id>
	<title>Re:I just hope...</title>
	<author>BasilBrush</author>
	<datestamp>1257797940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't check a railway train driver's safety record.  Or a bus drivers or a taxi drivers. Yet you are putting your life in the their hands on the basis that you trust they are qualified from the job, haven't been sacked for being incompetent, and have some trust in whatever safety systems are in place.  This is no different.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't check a railway train driver 's safety record .
Or a bus drivers or a taxi drivers .
Yet you are putting your life in the their hands on the basis that you trust they are qualified from the job , have n't been sacked for being incompetent , and have some trust in whatever safety systems are in place .
This is no different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't check a railway train driver's safety record.
Or a bus drivers or a taxi drivers.
Yet you are putting your life in the their hands on the basis that you trust they are qualified from the job, haven't been sacked for being incompetent, and have some trust in whatever safety systems are in place.
This is no different.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035506</id>
	<title>Mis-application of technology</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1257792960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The system is designed primarily at cutting fuel consumption, travel time, and congestion.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
A better application of technology would be to cut the need for travel via telecomumting, telepresence, etc.
</p><p>
the big problem is that management doesn't have that much of a clue as to how to measure job performance and "manage people" w/o the presence of warm bodies, and when we come up with real metrics and methods, most managers would quickly become redundant.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The system is designed primarily at cutting fuel consumption , travel time , and congestion .
A better application of technology would be to cut the need for travel via telecomumting , telepresence , etc .
the big problem is that management does n't have that much of a clue as to how to measure job performance and " manage people " w/o the presence of warm bodies , and when we come up with real metrics and methods , most managers would quickly become redundant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The system is designed primarily at cutting fuel consumption, travel time, and congestion.
A better application of technology would be to cut the need for travel via telecomumting, telepresence, etc.
the big problem is that management doesn't have that much of a clue as to how to measure job performance and "manage people" w/o the presence of warm bodies, and when we come up with real metrics and methods, most managers would quickly become redundant.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036250</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>BryanL</author>
	<datestamp>1257795900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since the lead vehicle will be driven by a professional driver there is a good chance it will be a semi. If it is, the owner can make additional revenue through advertising. Set up a big video board on the back of the truck and sell ad space. The cars behind are a captive audience. I can already see trucks heading to Vegas advertising casinos. Wait. Maybe I should get a patent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since the lead vehicle will be driven by a professional driver there is a good chance it will be a semi .
If it is , the owner can make additional revenue through advertising .
Set up a big video board on the back of the truck and sell ad space .
The cars behind are a captive audience .
I can already see trucks heading to Vegas advertising casinos .
Wait. Maybe I should get a patent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since the lead vehicle will be driven by a professional driver there is a good chance it will be a semi.
If it is, the owner can make additional revenue through advertising.
Set up a big video board on the back of the truck and sell ad space.
The cars behind are a captive audience.
I can already see trucks heading to Vegas advertising casinos.
Wait. Maybe I should get a patent.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035928</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1257794520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>(they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)</i> </p><p>Oh look, someone who doesn't know what he's talking about by tries to sound like he does just got modded up. "Trailing cars fill in the lead car's low-pressure wake, thereby cutting down pressure drag."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( they forget to mention the * EXTRA * fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others.. ) Oh look , someone who does n't know what he 's talking about by tries to sound like he does just got modded up .
" Trailing cars fill in the lead car 's low-pressure wake , thereby cutting down pressure drag .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext> (they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..) Oh look, someone who doesn't know what he's talking about by tries to sound like he does just got modded up.
"Trailing cars fill in the lead car's low-pressure wake, thereby cutting down pressure drag.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035676</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>mdmkolbe</author>
	<datestamp>1257793620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>there's no way to know the mechanical status of the vehicle</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>the computer often knows about mechanical problems before the driver does</p></div><p>So which is it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>there 's no way to know the mechanical status of the vehiclethe computer often knows about mechanical problems before the driver doesSo which is it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there's no way to know the mechanical status of the vehiclethe computer often knows about mechanical problems before the driver doesSo which is it?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038982</id>
	<title>Re:I just hope...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257764340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking as a professional driver. I would be FAR more interested in YOUR driving record. We lose our licenses for things that would only result in a small fine for you. Four wheelers scare the hell out me. Most drive with their brain disconnected and their heads WAAAAAY up their collective asses. Starbucks in one hand and cell phone in the other.  Yes, some professionals are no better but as a group, our safety records way outshine most non-professionals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking as a professional driver .
I would be FAR more interested in YOUR driving record .
We lose our licenses for things that would only result in a small fine for you .
Four wheelers scare the hell out me .
Most drive with their brain disconnected and their heads WAAAAAY up their collective asses .
Starbucks in one hand and cell phone in the other .
Yes , some professionals are no better but as a group , our safety records way outshine most non-professionals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking as a professional driver.
I would be FAR more interested in YOUR driving record.
We lose our licenses for things that would only result in a small fine for you.
Four wheelers scare the hell out me.
Most drive with their brain disconnected and their heads WAAAAAY up their collective asses.
Starbucks in one hand and cell phone in the other.
Yes, some professionals are no better but as a group, our safety records way outshine most non-professionals.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039782</id>
	<title>Re:Train Wreck</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1257768600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Mythbuster episode was <b>manually driven</b> drafting. Yes, that's dangerous. At the speeds involved, a human can not react fast enough on the short distances involved, over a reasonably long period of time (you can do it for short time, but the stress level is high).</p><p>The other point you mention is probably - but you know, I'm just guessing here - one of the reaons they do things like research on these ideas before they throw them out into the wild^H^H^Hroads. Not to mention that in large complex systems, statistics matter more than individual experiences and preferences. Yes, the risk you mention probably exists. If, however, statistically speaking, the danger of something happening to you in a road train is, say, 0.01\% per km, while travelling manually means the danger is 0.02\% per km, then it is <b>still</b> safer to take the road train.</p><p>The main problem with car traffic is a stupid, ancient emotion of humans, namely that we feel safer if we feel in control. In many cases in modern life, that's no longer true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Mythbuster episode was manually driven drafting .
Yes , that 's dangerous .
At the speeds involved , a human can not react fast enough on the short distances involved , over a reasonably long period of time ( you can do it for short time , but the stress level is high ) .The other point you mention is probably - but you know , I 'm just guessing here - one of the reaons they do things like research on these ideas before they throw them out into the wild ^ H ^ H ^ Hroads .
Not to mention that in large complex systems , statistics matter more than individual experiences and preferences .
Yes , the risk you mention probably exists .
If , however , statistically speaking , the danger of something happening to you in a road train is , say , 0.01 \ % per km , while travelling manually means the danger is 0.02 \ % per km , then it is still safer to take the road train.The main problem with car traffic is a stupid , ancient emotion of humans , namely that we feel safer if we feel in control .
In many cases in modern life , that 's no longer true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Mythbuster episode was manually driven drafting.
Yes, that's dangerous.
At the speeds involved, a human can not react fast enough on the short distances involved, over a reasonably long period of time (you can do it for short time, but the stress level is high).The other point you mention is probably - but you know, I'm just guessing here - one of the reaons they do things like research on these ideas before they throw them out into the wild^H^H^Hroads.
Not to mention that in large complex systems, statistics matter more than individual experiences and preferences.
Yes, the risk you mention probably exists.
If, however, statistically speaking, the danger of something happening to you in a road train is, say, 0.01\% per km, while travelling manually means the danger is 0.02\% per km, then it is still safer to take the road train.The main problem with car traffic is a stupid, ancient emotion of humans, namely that we feel safer if we feel in control.
In many cases in modern life, that's no longer true.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036016</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036134</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>Eivind</author>
	<datestamp>1257795300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nope. Not true. The leading vehicle experiences no extra drag at all, thing is it -is- to some extent towing the vehicles behind it, but if it wasn't it would instead be towing the -air- along, to the same degree. (that air being dragged along is, afterall, the source of the saved fuel for the cars behind.</p><p>5 cars driving close together really do use less fuel in sum, compared to 5 individual cars. It's -not- just a question of redistributing the consumption, there's real savings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope .
Not true .
The leading vehicle experiences no extra drag at all , thing is it -is- to some extent towing the vehicles behind it , but if it was n't it would instead be towing the -air- along , to the same degree .
( that air being dragged along is , afterall , the source of the saved fuel for the cars behind.5 cars driving close together really do use less fuel in sum , compared to 5 individual cars .
It 's -not- just a question of redistributing the consumption , there 's real savings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope.
Not true.
The leading vehicle experiences no extra drag at all, thing is it -is- to some extent towing the vehicles behind it, but if it wasn't it would instead be towing the -air- along, to the same degree.
(that air being dragged along is, afterall, the source of the saved fuel for the cars behind.5 cars driving close together really do use less fuel in sum, compared to 5 individual cars.
It's -not- just a question of redistributing the consumption, there's real savings.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037014</id>
	<title>Re:I just hope...</title>
	<author>interploy</author>
	<datestamp>1257799320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm curious to see how they handle the safety aspect.  Such as will these sensors make sure cars are road safe before adding them to the train? I'd hate to have a guy with crap brakes get in behind me. Or how close do the vehicles need to be in order for the train to work? Can non-train traffic weave in between cars in a train? And what if the lead car wreaks? Will it make an automatic pile up as every other car follows the first?</p><p>I don't know if I'd love or hate to be on the engineering team for this. It's an interesting challenge, but could very easily become a nightmare.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm curious to see how they handle the safety aspect .
Such as will these sensors make sure cars are road safe before adding them to the train ?
I 'd hate to have a guy with crap brakes get in behind me .
Or how close do the vehicles need to be in order for the train to work ?
Can non-train traffic weave in between cars in a train ?
And what if the lead car wreaks ?
Will it make an automatic pile up as every other car follows the first ? I do n't know if I 'd love or hate to be on the engineering team for this .
It 's an interesting challenge , but could very easily become a nightmare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm curious to see how they handle the safety aspect.
Such as will these sensors make sure cars are road safe before adding them to the train?
I'd hate to have a guy with crap brakes get in behind me.
Or how close do the vehicles need to be in order for the train to work?
Can non-train traffic weave in between cars in a train?
And what if the lead car wreaks?
Will it make an automatic pile up as every other car follows the first?I don't know if I'd love or hate to be on the engineering team for this.
It's an interesting challenge, but could very easily become a nightmare.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038412</id>
	<title>Never seen Canada geese fly?</title>
	<author>dontmakemethink</author>
	<datestamp>1257762060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As usual, <a href="http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/25173/wm/pd2240754.jpg" title="photographersdirect.com">mother nature is way ahead of us</a> [photographersdirect.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>As usual , mother nature is way ahead of us [ photographersdirect.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As usual, mother nature is way ahead of us [photographersdirect.com].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035548</id>
	<title>Does not compute</title>
	<author>grozniy</author>
	<datestamp>1257793140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Talk about a massive pile ups when hackers get into the software controlling the platoons. Professional driver of the lead vehicle may also cause problems while texting, drinking coffee and reading a newspaper all at the same time.

Also, defeats the purpose of having a car - driving on your own... If you want to be in this type of a setup, take a train.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Talk about a massive pile ups when hackers get into the software controlling the platoons .
Professional driver of the lead vehicle may also cause problems while texting , drinking coffee and reading a newspaper all at the same time .
Also , defeats the purpose of having a car - driving on your own... If you want to be in this type of a setup , take a train .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Talk about a massive pile ups when hackers get into the software controlling the platoons.
Professional driver of the lead vehicle may also cause problems while texting, drinking coffee and reading a newspaper all at the same time.
Also, defeats the purpose of having a car - driving on your own... If you want to be in this type of a setup, take a train.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035478</id>
	<title>What hath the free market wrought?</title>
	<author>BitHive</author>
	<datestamp>1257792840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this catches on in America some gear heads are going to explode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this catches on in America some gear heads are going to explode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this catches on in America some gear heads are going to explode.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044238</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>slim</author>
	<datestamp>1257859140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not going to go through your post point by point, but I think this is worth pointing out:</p><p>The proposal is intended for European motorways (like freeways). Smooth, wide, well maintained, multi-lane roads that go from A to B with no stop signals.</p><p>You won't hit a pothole on these roads.</p><p>You won't find significant puddles (OK, you'll get surface water in extreme weather - in which case the whole train will need to slow down pre-emptively).</p><p>You won't hit ice, because it'll be properly gritted.</p><p>You won't get carjacked; the road bypasses populated areas.</p><p>And so on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not going to go through your post point by point , but I think this is worth pointing out : The proposal is intended for European motorways ( like freeways ) .
Smooth , wide , well maintained , multi-lane roads that go from A to B with no stop signals.You wo n't hit a pothole on these roads.You wo n't find significant puddles ( OK , you 'll get surface water in extreme weather - in which case the whole train will need to slow down pre-emptively ) .You wo n't hit ice , because it 'll be properly gritted.You wo n't get carjacked ; the road bypasses populated areas.And so on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not going to go through your post point by point, but I think this is worth pointing out:The proposal is intended for European motorways (like freeways).
Smooth, wide, well maintained, multi-lane roads that go from A to B with no stop signals.You won't hit a pothole on these roads.You won't find significant puddles (OK, you'll get surface water in extreme weather - in which case the whole train will need to slow down pre-emptively).You won't hit ice, because it'll be properly gritted.You won't get carjacked; the road bypasses populated areas.And so on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036182</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035772</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>JesseMcDonald</author>
	<datestamp>1257793920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>(they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)</p></div><p>Where is this magical extra drag coming from?</p><p>A line of well-designed vehicles has basically the same drag characteristics as a single long vehicle. The drag for a vehicle consists mainly of the pressure acting on the front and the vacuum acting on the back; a long vehicle and a short vehicle with the same general profile in these areas will have about the same drag. In a vehicle train, the first and last vehicles benefit the least&mdash;but still benefit <em>some</em>, since they only have to deal with the pressure or vacuum, not both&mdash;and the vehicles in the middle can disregard air resistance almost entirely. None of the vehicles is stuck "towing" the others; instead, the first and last vehicle share the work of separating, accelerating, and recombining the air stream around the entire vehicle train, tasks which would otherwise have to be repeated independently for each vehicle.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( they forget to mention the * EXTRA * fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others.. ) Where is this magical extra drag coming from ? A line of well-designed vehicles has basically the same drag characteristics as a single long vehicle .
The drag for a vehicle consists mainly of the pressure acting on the front and the vacuum acting on the back ; a long vehicle and a short vehicle with the same general profile in these areas will have about the same drag .
In a vehicle train , the first and last vehicles benefit the least    but still benefit some , since they only have to deal with the pressure or vacuum , not both    and the vehicles in the middle can disregard air resistance almost entirely .
None of the vehicles is stuck " towing " the others ; instead , the first and last vehicle share the work of separating , accelerating , and recombining the air stream around the entire vehicle train , tasks which would otherwise have to be repeated independently for each vehicle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)Where is this magical extra drag coming from?A line of well-designed vehicles has basically the same drag characteristics as a single long vehicle.
The drag for a vehicle consists mainly of the pressure acting on the front and the vacuum acting on the back; a long vehicle and a short vehicle with the same general profile in these areas will have about the same drag.
In a vehicle train, the first and last vehicles benefit the least—but still benefit some, since they only have to deal with the pressure or vacuum, not both—and the vehicles in the middle can disregard air resistance almost entirely.
None of the vehicles is stuck "towing" the others; instead, the first and last vehicle share the work of separating, accelerating, and recombining the air stream around the entire vehicle train, tasks which would otherwise have to be repeated independently for each vehicle.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039190</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>pbhj</author>
	<datestamp>1257765360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>I mean, it'd basically be a packet-switched network, but with cars instead of pieces of data.</p></div><p>Hey! Here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. we use car analogies to explain computer technology - not vice-versa!!</p></div><p>In Soviet Slashdot<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... oh never mind. Where are my hot grits, Natalie?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , it 'd basically be a packet-switched network , but with cars instead of pieces of data.Hey !
Here on / .
we use car analogies to explain computer technology - not vice-versa !
! In Soviet Slashdot ... oh never mind .
Where are my hot grits , Natalie ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, it'd basically be a packet-switched network, but with cars instead of pieces of data.Hey!
Here on /.
we use car analogies to explain computer technology - not vice-versa!
!In Soviet Slashdot ... oh never mind.
Where are my hot grits, Natalie?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036400</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036140</id>
	<title>Merging and Curves</title>
	<author>frith01</author>
	<datestamp>1257795300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How would they expect this system to work at highway Merges ?   Another fun thing is inclement weather and curves on the highway.  My car can take curves at a much higher speed than a panel truck during high winds.</p><p>I can see where this would be useful on long straight highways, but otherwise very dangerous.   Each car would also need a  "safe return to park" capability which would<br>cause the cars to park themselves to the side of the road if the central control was lost, and the driver did not respond within a few seconds.</p><p>Include a gps unit that would alert people that their turn is coming up, and have the professional driver thing only be for testing , and add that capability to general car system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How would they expect this system to work at highway Merges ?
Another fun thing is inclement weather and curves on the highway .
My car can take curves at a much higher speed than a panel truck during high winds.I can see where this would be useful on long straight highways , but otherwise very dangerous .
Each car would also need a " safe return to park " capability which wouldcause the cars to park themselves to the side of the road if the central control was lost , and the driver did not respond within a few seconds.Include a gps unit that would alert people that their turn is coming up , and have the professional driver thing only be for testing , and add that capability to general car system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How would they expect this system to work at highway Merges ?
Another fun thing is inclement weather and curves on the highway.
My car can take curves at a much higher speed than a panel truck during high winds.I can see where this would be useful on long straight highways, but otherwise very dangerous.
Each car would also need a  "safe return to park" capability which wouldcause the cars to park themselves to the side of the road if the central control was lost, and the driver did not respond within a few seconds.Include a gps unit that would alert people that their turn is coming up, and have the professional driver thing only be for testing , and add that capability to general car system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035712</id>
	<title>Cue product liability lawsuit in 3... 2... 1</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257793740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I believe the reason this will never catch has nothing to do with technology and everything to do with legal liability. Who is going to want to be the front car of the train, when they will obviously be responsible for any accidents? What company is going to want to supply this system and open themselves up to massive lawsuits whenever somebody finds a way to defeat the system and cause an accident?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe the reason this will never catch has nothing to do with technology and everything to do with legal liability .
Who is going to want to be the front car of the train , when they will obviously be responsible for any accidents ?
What company is going to want to supply this system and open themselves up to massive lawsuits whenever somebody finds a way to defeat the system and cause an accident ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe the reason this will never catch has nothing to do with technology and everything to do with legal liability.
Who is going to want to be the front car of the train, when they will obviously be responsible for any accidents?
What company is going to want to supply this system and open themselves up to massive lawsuits whenever somebody finds a way to defeat the system and cause an accident?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036404</id>
	<title>road trains are *awesome*</title>
	<author>Interoperable</author>
	<datestamp>1257796680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You're handing control over to another driver, who may very well decide not to brake and cause a five car pileup</p></div><p>The following cars are electronically linked in, they would also brake and the whole train would come to a stop. As long as each car (including the lead) was restricted to brake at the same rate as the car with the worst stopping time no collision would ever occur. Besides, if the distance between the cars is small enough, even a discrepancy in braking power that wasn't compensated for would only cause a slight difference in velocity before a collision occurred. The impact would be minimal unless the last vehicle was a truck with failed brakes; but TFA states that trucks would be at the front.</p><p>At the end of the day, we all put our lives in the hands of every other driver on the road anyway. Same thing if you ever get on a bus. As long as the systems were reliable I doubt it would add too much extra danger.</p><p>Eventually we'll get reliable remote control from the highways themselves though and then travel will be *awesome.* I envision a system where traffic light controlled intersections are replaced by precision timing. Cars would be staggered by about two cars lengths as they approached the intersection and would be timed such that they could pass through the intersection at full speed without colliding. Of course, the drivers would have to be removed from the loop entirely and every vehicle would have to be completely reliable. If it did work though, could you imagine passing mere meters from other vehicles travelling perpendicular to your vehicle all at a couple hundred km/h? Of course by then we'll all have jet-packs anyway, right? Right?!?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're handing control over to another driver , who may very well decide not to brake and cause a five car pileupThe following cars are electronically linked in , they would also brake and the whole train would come to a stop .
As long as each car ( including the lead ) was restricted to brake at the same rate as the car with the worst stopping time no collision would ever occur .
Besides , if the distance between the cars is small enough , even a discrepancy in braking power that was n't compensated for would only cause a slight difference in velocity before a collision occurred .
The impact would be minimal unless the last vehicle was a truck with failed brakes ; but TFA states that trucks would be at the front.At the end of the day , we all put our lives in the hands of every other driver on the road anyway .
Same thing if you ever get on a bus .
As long as the systems were reliable I doubt it would add too much extra danger.Eventually we 'll get reliable remote control from the highways themselves though and then travel will be * awesome .
* I envision a system where traffic light controlled intersections are replaced by precision timing .
Cars would be staggered by about two cars lengths as they approached the intersection and would be timed such that they could pass through the intersection at full speed without colliding .
Of course , the drivers would have to be removed from the loop entirely and every vehicle would have to be completely reliable .
If it did work though , could you imagine passing mere meters from other vehicles travelling perpendicular to your vehicle all at a couple hundred km/h ?
Of course by then we 'll all have jet-packs anyway , right ?
Right ? ! ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're handing control over to another driver, who may very well decide not to brake and cause a five car pileupThe following cars are electronically linked in, they would also brake and the whole train would come to a stop.
As long as each car (including the lead) was restricted to brake at the same rate as the car with the worst stopping time no collision would ever occur.
Besides, if the distance between the cars is small enough, even a discrepancy in braking power that wasn't compensated for would only cause a slight difference in velocity before a collision occurred.
The impact would be minimal unless the last vehicle was a truck with failed brakes; but TFA states that trucks would be at the front.At the end of the day, we all put our lives in the hands of every other driver on the road anyway.
Same thing if you ever get on a bus.
As long as the systems were reliable I doubt it would add too much extra danger.Eventually we'll get reliable remote control from the highways themselves though and then travel will be *awesome.
* I envision a system where traffic light controlled intersections are replaced by precision timing.
Cars would be staggered by about two cars lengths as they approached the intersection and would be timed such that they could pass through the intersection at full speed without colliding.
Of course, the drivers would have to be removed from the loop entirely and every vehicle would have to be completely reliable.
If it did work though, could you imagine passing mere meters from other vehicles travelling perpendicular to your vehicle all at a couple hundred km/h?
Of course by then we'll all have jet-packs anyway, right?
Right?!?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038968</id>
	<title>Re:Good general idea, but implementation...</title>
	<author>Dare nMc</author>
	<datestamp>1257764280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think your taking too literal reading of professional.  IE any professional driver (read mail delivery, 18 wheeler operator) would be paid some additional amount to become a "Road Train" Engineer.  IE they still drive their regular route, so their is no additional people, or equipment on the road.  If every, over the road delivery vehicle were to become one; then plenty of options would generally be available to join some train.  If the system is smart enough to handle one car gaps for entry/exit, they should be smart enough to hand off between pro drivers as well.<br>The issue I see is that a train of 10 cars following that close means the Pro driver would have to have one hell of a clear lane to pass anyone, so that wouldn't happen.  So unless special lanes were made available, the number of times this train have to slow down and speed up would consume all the fuel savings, and take longer as well.<br>But a special "Road train" only lane could fix that.  (but then a breakdown would be all the more consuming, unless mulitple "road train only" lanes were available.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think your taking too literal reading of professional .
IE any professional driver ( read mail delivery , 18 wheeler operator ) would be paid some additional amount to become a " Road Train " Engineer .
IE they still drive their regular route , so their is no additional people , or equipment on the road .
If every , over the road delivery vehicle were to become one ; then plenty of options would generally be available to join some train .
If the system is smart enough to handle one car gaps for entry/exit , they should be smart enough to hand off between pro drivers as well.The issue I see is that a train of 10 cars following that close means the Pro driver would have to have one hell of a clear lane to pass anyone , so that would n't happen .
So unless special lanes were made available , the number of times this train have to slow down and speed up would consume all the fuel savings , and take longer as well.But a special " Road train " only lane could fix that .
( but then a breakdown would be all the more consuming , unless mulitple " road train only " lanes were available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think your taking too literal reading of professional.
IE any professional driver (read mail delivery, 18 wheeler operator) would be paid some additional amount to become a "Road Train" Engineer.
IE they still drive their regular route, so their is no additional people, or equipment on the road.
If every, over the road delivery vehicle were to become one; then plenty of options would generally be available to join some train.
If the system is smart enough to handle one car gaps for entry/exit, they should be smart enough to hand off between pro drivers as well.The issue I see is that a train of 10 cars following that close means the Pro driver would have to have one hell of a clear lane to pass anyone, so that wouldn't happen.
So unless special lanes were made available, the number of times this train have to slow down and speed up would consume all the fuel savings, and take longer as well.But a special "Road train" only lane could fix that.
(but then a breakdown would be all the more consuming, unless mulitple "road train only" lanes were available.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035678</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036864</id>
	<title>Re:Funny coincidence</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1257798660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read it as "Satire". And even in your comment I had to look twice...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read it as " Satire " .
And even in your comment I had to look twice.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read it as "Satire".
And even in your comment I had to look twice...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035512</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036572</id>
	<title>Will never catch on in America</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257797460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The teabaggers will announce that this kind of driving is "socialist", and Sarah Palin will make a speech claiming that people who drive in trains "hate America".</p><p>Then Glenn Beck will cry like a pussy, and the discussion will be over.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The teabaggers will announce that this kind of driving is " socialist " , and Sarah Palin will make a speech claiming that people who drive in trains " hate America " .Then Glenn Beck will cry like a pussy , and the discussion will be over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The teabaggers will announce that this kind of driving is "socialist", and Sarah Palin will make a speech claiming that people who drive in trains "hate America".Then Glenn Beck will cry like a pussy, and the discussion will be over.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035478</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039522</id>
	<title>Re:I just hope...</title>
	<author>ILuvRamen</author>
	<datestamp>1257766920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've got a similar but more efficient idea.  Just have the sensors detect if you're a complete dumbass when it comes to driving and then automatically pull you over and kill your engine.  Like if you consistently go 55 in a 65, swerve, and slam on the brake randomly like most Buick drivers and people from Illinois, then the system forces you to get the hell off the road and let the competent drivers go.  That would clear up about 99\% of congestion.  At the front end of all large traffic slowdown lines is one dumbass ruining everyone's day by driving with their head up their ass and any efficiency calculations and route planning won't help congestion.  Removing that dumbass will help congestion!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a similar but more efficient idea .
Just have the sensors detect if you 're a complete dumbass when it comes to driving and then automatically pull you over and kill your engine .
Like if you consistently go 55 in a 65 , swerve , and slam on the brake randomly like most Buick drivers and people from Illinois , then the system forces you to get the hell off the road and let the competent drivers go .
That would clear up about 99 \ % of congestion .
At the front end of all large traffic slowdown lines is one dumbass ruining everyone 's day by driving with their head up their ass and any efficiency calculations and route planning wo n't help congestion .
Removing that dumbass will help congestion !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a similar but more efficient idea.
Just have the sensors detect if you're a complete dumbass when it comes to driving and then automatically pull you over and kill your engine.
Like if you consistently go 55 in a 65, swerve, and slam on the brake randomly like most Buick drivers and people from Illinois, then the system forces you to get the hell off the road and let the competent drivers go.
That would clear up about 99\% of congestion.
At the front end of all large traffic slowdown lines is one dumbass ruining everyone's day by driving with their head up their ass and any efficiency calculations and route planning won't help congestion.
Removing that dumbass will help congestion!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035900</id>
	<title>Re:Mis-application of technology</title>
	<author>starglider29a</author>
	<datestamp>1257794460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe. But most jobs require people to be there, and those of us who support those people must "be there", too.
<br> <br>
Anything which helps the commuters is welcome. Even if I don't use the train thingy, I'll have 8 people under the control of a highly-skilled, licensed driver. AND NOT in "texting while driving partial control" of their vehicle. THAT is an improvement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe .
But most jobs require people to be there , and those of us who support those people must " be there " , too .
Anything which helps the commuters is welcome .
Even if I do n't use the train thingy , I 'll have 8 people under the control of a highly-skilled , licensed driver .
AND NOT in " texting while driving partial control " of their vehicle .
THAT is an improvement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe.
But most jobs require people to be there, and those of us who support those people must "be there", too.
Anything which helps the commuters is welcome.
Even if I don't use the train thingy, I'll have 8 people under the control of a highly-skilled, licensed driver.
AND NOT in "texting while driving partial control" of their vehicle.
THAT is an improvement.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035506</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038064</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1257760620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I mean, it'd basically be a packet-switched network, but with cars instead of pieces of data. It's a relatively benign IT problem.</p></div></blockquote><p>Congestion control becomes a much scarier problem...</p><p>While I would certainly stop driving on the freeways at that point, I can see it being a major spectator draw to stand at the side of the freeway around rush hour, watching the bulldozers idling at the side of the road, and waiting to see which random car they pick to knock into the ditch to reduce congestion, TCP buffer style.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , it 'd basically be a packet-switched network , but with cars instead of pieces of data .
It 's a relatively benign IT problem.Congestion control becomes a much scarier problem...While I would certainly stop driving on the freeways at that point , I can see it being a major spectator draw to stand at the side of the freeway around rush hour , watching the bulldozers idling at the side of the road , and waiting to see which random car they pick to knock into the ditch to reduce congestion , TCP buffer style .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, it'd basically be a packet-switched network, but with cars instead of pieces of data.
It's a relatively benign IT problem.Congestion control becomes a much scarier problem...While I would certainly stop driving on the freeways at that point, I can see it being a major spectator draw to stand at the side of the freeway around rush hour, watching the bulldozers idling at the side of the road, and waiting to see which random car they pick to knock into the ditch to reduce congestion, TCP buffer style.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044834</id>
	<title>Automated roads, 2109</title>
	<author>h00manist</author>
	<datestamp>1257864600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In a hundred more years, they'll do more math, and discover that efficiency will increase greatly with reducing friction, creating straight lines, predictable, computer-monitored and guided paths. They'll make steel roads, steel wheels. Flat, straight, and long, with soft curves.  Perhaps with two parallel steel guides, perhaps with one overhead guide.  They'll plot the locations of the guides and trains on maps and computers. They'll allow the the cars to simply lock onto one another, and travel as one big element.  Most likely unlocking from each other to stop individually at their streetss, or stations, whatever. But none of this will be coordinated by a public group, much less a goverment, all will be privately owned and sold by public corporations, ten generations of mass-produced technologies, all built, bought, tested, crashed, and discarded, one by one, paid by you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In a hundred more years , they 'll do more math , and discover that efficiency will increase greatly with reducing friction , creating straight lines , predictable , computer-monitored and guided paths .
They 'll make steel roads , steel wheels .
Flat , straight , and long , with soft curves .
Perhaps with two parallel steel guides , perhaps with one overhead guide .
They 'll plot the locations of the guides and trains on maps and computers .
They 'll allow the the cars to simply lock onto one another , and travel as one big element .
Most likely unlocking from each other to stop individually at their streetss , or stations , whatever .
But none of this will be coordinated by a public group , much less a goverment , all will be privately owned and sold by public corporations , ten generations of mass-produced technologies , all built , bought , tested , crashed , and discarded , one by one , paid by you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a hundred more years, they'll do more math, and discover that efficiency will increase greatly with reducing friction, creating straight lines, predictable, computer-monitored and guided paths.
They'll make steel roads, steel wheels.
Flat, straight, and long, with soft curves.
Perhaps with two parallel steel guides, perhaps with one overhead guide.
They'll plot the locations of the guides and trains on maps and computers.
They'll allow the the cars to simply lock onto one another, and travel as one big element.
Most likely unlocking from each other to stop individually at their streetss, or stations, whatever.
But none of this will be coordinated by a public group, much less a goverment, all will be privately owned and sold by public corporations, ten generations of mass-produced technologies, all built, bought, tested, crashed, and discarded, one by one, paid by you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036276</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037708</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257759060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure no engineer remotely involved in the project has ever thought of those damn obscure issues only your keen observation skills could ever notice, eagle-eye.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure no engineer remotely involved in the project has ever thought of those damn obscure issues only your keen observation skills could ever notice , eagle-eye .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure no engineer remotely involved in the project has ever thought of those damn obscure issues only your keen observation skills could ever notice, eagle-eye.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30042364</id>
	<title>Re:Train Wreck</title>
	<author>TBoon</author>
	<datestamp>1257788880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mythbusters did an interesting piece on saving gas by drafting.</p> </div><p>I actually don't think the greatest gas savings would come from drafting, but from being able to travel at a constant speed rather than fluxuating all the time. And higher speeds saves time (and thus money if driving as part of work) as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mythbusters did an interesting piece on saving gas by drafting .
I actually do n't think the greatest gas savings would come from drafting , but from being able to travel at a constant speed rather than fluxuating all the time .
And higher speeds saves time ( and thus money if driving as part of work ) as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mythbusters did an interesting piece on saving gas by drafting.
I actually don't think the greatest gas savings would come from drafting, but from being able to travel at a constant speed rather than fluxuating all the time.
And higher speeds saves time (and thus money if driving as part of work) as well.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036016</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035682</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>RealGrouchy</author>
	<datestamp>1257793620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>(they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)</p></div><p>WTF?</p><p>Trailing vehicles (in cycling or in trucking) are merely fitting into the pocket made by the lead vehicle, which would otherwise have been wasted into turbulence. The lead vehicle would have to break through the wind either way. If anything, the absence of turbulence behind their vehicle (since another vehicle is carrying the stream) would improve their aerodynamics for the lead vehicle.</p><p>Would you similarly suggest that if I create some software and release the code for others to use and modify, that it would require more programming on my part than if I just wrote the exact same code and kept it to myself?</p><p>- RG&gt;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( they forget to mention the * EXTRA * fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others.. ) WTF ? Trailing vehicles ( in cycling or in trucking ) are merely fitting into the pocket made by the lead vehicle , which would otherwise have been wasted into turbulence .
The lead vehicle would have to break through the wind either way .
If anything , the absence of turbulence behind their vehicle ( since another vehicle is carrying the stream ) would improve their aerodynamics for the lead vehicle.Would you similarly suggest that if I create some software and release the code for others to use and modify , that it would require more programming on my part than if I just wrote the exact same code and kept it to myself ? - RG &gt;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)WTF?Trailing vehicles (in cycling or in trucking) are merely fitting into the pocket made by the lead vehicle, which would otherwise have been wasted into turbulence.
The lead vehicle would have to break through the wind either way.
If anything, the absence of turbulence behind their vehicle (since another vehicle is carrying the stream) would improve their aerodynamics for the lead vehicle.Would you similarly suggest that if I create some software and release the code for others to use and modify, that it would require more programming on my part than if I just wrote the exact same code and kept it to myself?- RG&gt;
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038858</id>
	<title>Re:I just hope...</title>
	<author>coolsnowmen</author>
	<datestamp>1257763860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You argument holds true for a bus, but certainly not for a train.  The circumstances of train travel are much more controlled, and statistically safer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You argument holds true for a bus , but certainly not for a train .
The circumstances of train travel are much more controlled , and statistically safer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You argument holds true for a bus, but certainly not for a train.
The circumstances of train travel are much more controlled, and statistically safer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036686</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035612</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>mlyle</author>
	<datestamp>1257793380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, lead vehicles benefit from this, too, just not nearly as much.</p><p>Even though vehicle aerodynamics have tried to combat it, there is a big negative pressure bubble forming your car's wake 'pulling' it backwards.  Partially filling it with another vehicle's high pressure region where it 'cuts' the oncoming air helps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , lead vehicles benefit from this , too , just not nearly as much.Even though vehicle aerodynamics have tried to combat it , there is a big negative pressure bubble forming your car 's wake 'pulling ' it backwards .
Partially filling it with another vehicle 's high pressure region where it 'cuts ' the oncoming air helps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, lead vehicles benefit from this, too, just not nearly as much.Even though vehicle aerodynamics have tried to combat it, there is a big negative pressure bubble forming your car's wake 'pulling' it backwards.
Partially filling it with another vehicle's high pressure region where it 'cuts' the oncoming air helps.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30042870</id>
	<title>Difference?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257795900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Those in following vehicles could take their hands off the wheel, read a book or watch TV, while they travel along the motorway.</p></div><p>From what Ive seen commuters have been doing this and more for a long time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Those in following vehicles could take their hands off the wheel , read a book or watch TV , while they travel along the motorway.From what Ive seen commuters have been doing this and more for a long time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those in following vehicles could take their hands off the wheel, read a book or watch TV, while they travel along the motorway.From what Ive seen commuters have been doing this and more for a long time.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035692</id>
	<title>Fail</title>
	<author>benjamindees</author>
	<datestamp>1257793680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree that this is a monstrosity that no one in their right mind would ever want to use.</p><p>But it does seem like a step in the right direction.  Instead of carpool lanes which are a stupid waste of time, I'd like to see a major US city devote a lane of all their highways to something interesting like this, only more flexible and safer and automated and efficient and economically beneficial, obviously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that this is a monstrosity that no one in their right mind would ever want to use.But it does seem like a step in the right direction .
Instead of carpool lanes which are a stupid waste of time , I 'd like to see a major US city devote a lane of all their highways to something interesting like this , only more flexible and safer and automated and efficient and economically beneficial , obviously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that this is a monstrosity that no one in their right mind would ever want to use.But it does seem like a step in the right direction.
Instead of carpool lanes which are a stupid waste of time, I'd like to see a major US city devote a lane of all their highways to something interesting like this, only more flexible and safer and automated and efficient and economically beneficial, obviously.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036994</id>
	<title>Re:I was driving ...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1257799200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That reminds me. What If you are in the middle of a continuous road train from here to this summer's favorite holiday location, with the same types of trains on the right and left lanes... and you run out of fuel while asleep?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That reminds me .
What If you are in the middle of a continuous road train from here to this summer 's favorite holiday location , with the same types of trains on the right and left lanes... and you run out of fuel while asleep ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That reminds me.
What If you are in the middle of a continuous road train from here to this summer's favorite holiday location, with the same types of trains on the right and left lanes... and you run out of fuel while asleep?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037532</id>
	<title>Re:Tailgating to the max</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257758400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As opposed to the current system, where accidents never happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As opposed to the current system , where accidents never happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As opposed to the current system, where accidents never happen.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035550</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30040364</id>
	<title>Socialism!!</title>
	<author>caywen</author>
	<datestamp>1257771420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with Glen Beck - Don't let the government take away our freedom to drive!! Say no to Obamatrain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with Glen Beck - Do n't let the government take away our freedom to drive ! !
Say no to Obamatrain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with Glen Beck - Don't let the government take away our freedom to drive!!
Say no to Obamatrain.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036006</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>vertinox</author>
	<datestamp>1257794820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure they could... you know... take turns.</p><p>Truckers in general are pretty congenial amongst themselves on the road. It only takes a few minutes on listening to the CB radio to know they got each others backs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure they could... you know... take turns.Truckers in general are pretty congenial amongst themselves on the road .
It only takes a few minutes on listening to the CB radio to know they got each others backs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure they could... you know... take turns.Truckers in general are pretty congenial amongst themselves on the road.
It only takes a few minutes on listening to the CB radio to know they got each others backs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30045474</id>
	<title>Re:Merging and Curves</title>
	<author>wvmarle</author>
	<datestamp>1257868140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cars and trucks will not be in the same train of course. Or do you really think a car will really want to slow down to truck speed just to be part of that train?
</p><p>Fyi: in most countries in Europe, trucks and cars pulling a trailer are allowed to do 80 km/h (almost 50 mph), while cars are allowed to do typically 100-130 km/h (62-81 mph). In Germany on many motorways have no speed limit. And yes cars there can and will do speeds well above 200 km/h (124 mph), legally. Trust me, that is bloody fast. Kinda scary even.
</p><p>Furthermore uphill many trucks can't maintain 80 km/h, some fall back to 30-40 km/h even. That is on the steeper parts of the motorway. Just because their engines are not strong enough to haul that 40-50 tons up the slope faster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cars and trucks will not be in the same train of course .
Or do you really think a car will really want to slow down to truck speed just to be part of that train ?
Fyi : in most countries in Europe , trucks and cars pulling a trailer are allowed to do 80 km/h ( almost 50 mph ) , while cars are allowed to do typically 100-130 km/h ( 62-81 mph ) .
In Germany on many motorways have no speed limit .
And yes cars there can and will do speeds well above 200 km/h ( 124 mph ) , legally .
Trust me , that is bloody fast .
Kinda scary even .
Furthermore uphill many trucks ca n't maintain 80 km/h , some fall back to 30-40 km/h even .
That is on the steeper parts of the motorway .
Just because their engines are not strong enough to haul that 40-50 tons up the slope faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cars and trucks will not be in the same train of course.
Or do you really think a car will really want to slow down to truck speed just to be part of that train?
Fyi: in most countries in Europe, trucks and cars pulling a trailer are allowed to do 80 km/h (almost 50 mph), while cars are allowed to do typically 100-130 km/h (62-81 mph).
In Germany on many motorways have no speed limit.
And yes cars there can and will do speeds well above 200 km/h (124 mph), legally.
Trust me, that is bloody fast.
Kinda scary even.
Furthermore uphill many trucks can't maintain 80 km/h, some fall back to 30-40 km/h even.
That is on the steeper parts of the motorway.
Just because their engines are not strong enough to haul that 40-50 tons up the slope faster.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035690</id>
	<title>Deemed to fail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257793680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Europe can't even standardise on a safety system for trains. Hell, they can't even standardise it in 1 single country. The "Betuwe Line" (A dutch project for a transport railway between Rotterdam Harbor and Germany) got delayed for years due to malfunctioning safety systems.  And that's a problem with a very limited amount of parties and other variables involved. How will they ever be able to implement such system for cars. And, more, how will you garantuee the system will actually increase safety, not decrease it by some unexpected side effect.<br> <br>The safest car on the road is one that is parked. Invest in teleworking and other ICT infrastructure, not more roads and fancy projects that will never get adopted.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Europe ca n't even standardise on a safety system for trains .
Hell , they ca n't even standardise it in 1 single country .
The " Betuwe Line " ( A dutch project for a transport railway between Rotterdam Harbor and Germany ) got delayed for years due to malfunctioning safety systems .
And that 's a problem with a very limited amount of parties and other variables involved .
How will they ever be able to implement such system for cars .
And , more , how will you garantuee the system will actually increase safety , not decrease it by some unexpected side effect .
The safest car on the road is one that is parked .
Invest in teleworking and other ICT infrastructure , not more roads and fancy projects that will never get adopted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Europe can't even standardise on a safety system for trains.
Hell, they can't even standardise it in 1 single country.
The "Betuwe Line" (A dutch project for a transport railway between Rotterdam Harbor and Germany) got delayed for years due to malfunctioning safety systems.
And that's a problem with a very limited amount of parties and other variables involved.
How will they ever be able to implement such system for cars.
And, more, how will you garantuee the system will actually increase safety, not decrease it by some unexpected side effect.
The safest car on the road is one that is parked.
Invest in teleworking and other ICT infrastructure, not more roads and fancy projects that will never get adopted.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039226</id>
	<title>Re:Cue product liability lawsuit in 3... 2... 1</title>
	<author>upside</author>
	<datestamp>1257765540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a generalisation, Europe doesn't have the same lawsuit-happy system as the US. Damages are a lot lower and we don't have punitive damages (apart from the UK).</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive\_damages" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive\_damages</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a generalisation , Europe does n't have the same lawsuit-happy system as the US .
Damages are a lot lower and we do n't have punitive damages ( apart from the UK ) .http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive \ _damages [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a generalisation, Europe doesn't have the same lawsuit-happy system as the US.
Damages are a lot lower and we don't have punitive damages (apart from the UK).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive\_damages [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035712</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30042834</id>
	<title>Re:What hath the free market wrought?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257795240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seeing this reminds me all too painfully of the Made-for-TV movie <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074205/" title="imdb.com" rel="nofollow">The Big Bus</a> [imdb.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seeing this reminds me all too painfully of the Made-for-TV movie The Big Bus [ imdb.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seeing this reminds me all too painfully of the Made-for-TV movie The Big Bus [imdb.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035478</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044416</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1257860940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Woah.  A software analogy in a discussion about cars...that's gotta be a first around here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Woah .
A software analogy in a discussion about cars...that 's got ta be a first around here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Woah.
A software analogy in a discussion about cars...that's gotta be a first around here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035682</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039332</id>
	<title>Road trains already exist.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257765900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the southern hemisphere there already Road Trains.<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road\_train" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road\_train</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the southern hemisphere there already Road Trains.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road \ _train [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the southern hemisphere there already Road Trains.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road\_train [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044700</id>
	<title>Use Secret Service or NASCAR taillights</title>
	<author>dwhite21787</author>
	<datestamp>1257863700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just put three small lights in the center of the rear bumper: </p><p>Green - accelerating </p><p>Yellow - feet off pedals, engine is dragging </p><p>Red - braking (redundant)</p><p>Maybe make both yellow turn signals come on for feet off pedals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just put three small lights in the center of the rear bumper : Green - accelerating Yellow - feet off pedals , engine is dragging Red - braking ( redundant ) Maybe make both yellow turn signals come on for feet off pedals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just put three small lights in the center of the rear bumper: Green - accelerating Yellow - feet off pedals, engine is dragging Red - braking (redundant)Maybe make both yellow turn signals come on for feet off pedals.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30045248</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>wvmarle</author>
	<datestamp>1257866940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This drag effect I don't think is big as the cars need significant distance (cyclists are driving often with no distance in between, if not overlapping each other). And cars are highly aerodynamic these days meaning relative less drag than a cyclist.
</p><p>There is however a great fuel effect to be expected from the fact that these cars are not stuck in a traffic jam (thus wasting fuel by idling), and because they keep a very constant speed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This drag effect I do n't think is big as the cars need significant distance ( cyclists are driving often with no distance in between , if not overlapping each other ) .
And cars are highly aerodynamic these days meaning relative less drag than a cyclist .
There is however a great fuel effect to be expected from the fact that these cars are not stuck in a traffic jam ( thus wasting fuel by idling ) , and because they keep a very constant speed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This drag effect I don't think is big as the cars need significant distance (cyclists are driving often with no distance in between, if not overlapping each other).
And cars are highly aerodynamic these days meaning relative less drag than a cyclist.
There is however a great fuel effect to be expected from the fact that these cars are not stuck in a traffic jam (thus wasting fuel by idling), and because they keep a very constant speed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035604</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036652</id>
	<title>Re:Buy it now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257797820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You can already get this tech if you splurge for an S-class Mercedes:</p><p> <a href="http://www.benzinsider.com/2008/06/distronic-plus-and-brake-assist-plus-reduce-rear-end-collisions-by-20/" title="benzinsider.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.benzinsider.com/2008/06/distronic-plus-and-brake-assist-plus-reduce-rear-end-collisions-by-20/</a> [benzinsider.com] </p><p>It would be a cool DIY project, too. Don't tell your insurance company.</p></div><p>I don't really want a Mercedes.  I bought a Mac and it died after I had only owned it for 2 years.  And don't talk to me about Apple Care.  I didn't buy it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can already get this tech if you splurge for an S-class Mercedes : http : //www.benzinsider.com/2008/06/distronic-plus-and-brake-assist-plus-reduce-rear-end-collisions-by-20/ [ benzinsider.com ] It would be a cool DIY project , too .
Do n't tell your insurance company.I do n't really want a Mercedes .
I bought a Mac and it died after I had only owned it for 2 years .
And do n't talk to me about Apple Care .
I did n't buy it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can already get this tech if you splurge for an S-class Mercedes: http://www.benzinsider.com/2008/06/distronic-plus-and-brake-assist-plus-reduce-rear-end-collisions-by-20/ [benzinsider.com] It would be a cool DIY project, too.
Don't tell your insurance company.I don't really want a Mercedes.
I bought a Mac and it died after I had only owned it for 2 years.
And don't talk to me about Apple Care.
I didn't buy it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035624</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035564</id>
	<title>Wifi reliability</title>
	<author>trimpnick</author>
	<datestamp>1257793200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If this thing is as reliable as my wireless router, there will be a lot of accidents</htmltext>
<tokenext>If this thing is as reliable as my wireless router , there will be a lot of accidents</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this thing is as reliable as my wireless router, there will be a lot of accidents</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037666</id>
	<title>Re:I was driving ...</title>
	<author>willworkforbeer</author>
	<datestamp>1257758880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Trust me, you didn't miss anything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Trust me , you did n't miss anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trust me, you didn't miss anything.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035886</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036278</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>cdn-programmer</author>
	<datestamp>1257796080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I mean, it'd basically be a packet-switched network, but with cars instead of pieces of data. It's a relatively benign IT problem.</i></p><p>What a great idea!  Why not simply have Mr Speedy Pants organized into a packet that gets lost in transmission?  The one that gets resent after the NAK can look alike but its still a new packet but perhaps without the hidden corruption!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , it 'd basically be a packet-switched network , but with cars instead of pieces of data .
It 's a relatively benign IT problem.What a great idea !
Why not simply have Mr Speedy Pants organized into a packet that gets lost in transmission ?
The one that gets resent after the NAK can look alike but its still a new packet but perhaps without the hidden corruption !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, it'd basically be a packet-switched network, but with cars instead of pieces of data.
It's a relatively benign IT problem.What a great idea!
Why not simply have Mr Speedy Pants organized into a packet that gets lost in transmission?
The one that gets resent after the NAK can look alike but its still a new packet but perhaps without the hidden corruption!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036400</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>Arthur Grumbine</author>
	<datestamp>1257796680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I mean, it'd basically be a packet-switched network, but with cars instead of pieces of data.</p></div><p>Hey! Here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. we use car analogies to explain computer technology - not vice-versa!!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , it 'd basically be a packet-switched network , but with cars instead of pieces of data.Hey !
Here on / .
we use car analogies to explain computer technology - not vice-versa !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, it'd basically be a packet-switched network, but with cars instead of pieces of data.Hey!
Here on /.
we use car analogies to explain computer technology - not vice-versa!
!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036264</id>
	<title>Re:Mis-application of technology</title>
	<author>smallshot</author>
	<datestamp>1257796020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>telecommuting is not for everyone though, this can be for everyone who does not or cannot telecommute.<br> <br>
I think it's a brilliant application. I'm not so sure the fuel consumption, travel time, and congestion are the greatest benefits. But imagine telecommuting from your car, getting in an extra hour or more of work every day instead of spending it driving. you could go home earlier, or just get more done in one work day. It would even allow people to commute greater distances without feeling like half their day was wasted. Or you could catch up on some sleep... as long as it's not illegal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>telecommuting is not for everyone though , this can be for everyone who does not or can not telecommute .
I think it 's a brilliant application .
I 'm not so sure the fuel consumption , travel time , and congestion are the greatest benefits .
But imagine telecommuting from your car , getting in an extra hour or more of work every day instead of spending it driving .
you could go home earlier , or just get more done in one work day .
It would even allow people to commute greater distances without feeling like half their day was wasted .
Or you could catch up on some sleep... as long as it 's not illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>telecommuting is not for everyone though, this can be for everyone who does not or cannot telecommute.
I think it's a brilliant application.
I'm not so sure the fuel consumption, travel time, and congestion are the greatest benefits.
But imagine telecommuting from your car, getting in an extra hour or more of work every day instead of spending it driving.
you could go home earlier, or just get more done in one work day.
It would even allow people to commute greater distances without feeling like half their day was wasted.
Or you could catch up on some sleep... as long as it's not illegal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035506</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036160</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>OldSoldier</author>
	<datestamp>1257795420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good to see this particular technology come to life. It's been discussed a bunch in the past. However, when I read the headline I thought of my fav alternative, actual TRAINS.</p><p>The idea is to extend the ferry boat concept to things like Amtrack. I live in Seattle and when I need to go to Portland I drive instead of taking the train at least in part because I'll need my car when I get there. If I could drive my car on to a train and wait in the train for the trip to Portland and then drive off once I arrive, I may actually consider using mass transit to get from here to there.</p><p>In short, the problem with mass transit is it's a hub-to-hub solution and unless there's a hub-to-destination solution at both ends it's always going to be a hard sell. Ferry's (IMHO) and to a lesser extend the OP's "Land Trains" solve the complete destination-to-destination problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good to see this particular technology come to life .
It 's been discussed a bunch in the past .
However , when I read the headline I thought of my fav alternative , actual TRAINS.The idea is to extend the ferry boat concept to things like Amtrack .
I live in Seattle and when I need to go to Portland I drive instead of taking the train at least in part because I 'll need my car when I get there .
If I could drive my car on to a train and wait in the train for the trip to Portland and then drive off once I arrive , I may actually consider using mass transit to get from here to there.In short , the problem with mass transit is it 's a hub-to-hub solution and unless there 's a hub-to-destination solution at both ends it 's always going to be a hard sell .
Ferry 's ( IMHO ) and to a lesser extend the OP 's " Land Trains " solve the complete destination-to-destination problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good to see this particular technology come to life.
It's been discussed a bunch in the past.
However, when I read the headline I thought of my fav alternative, actual TRAINS.The idea is to extend the ferry boat concept to things like Amtrack.
I live in Seattle and when I need to go to Portland I drive instead of taking the train at least in part because I'll need my car when I get there.
If I could drive my car on to a train and wait in the train for the trip to Portland and then drive off once I arrive, I may actually consider using mass transit to get from here to there.In short, the problem with mass transit is it's a hub-to-hub solution and unless there's a hub-to-destination solution at both ends it's always going to be a hard sell.
Ferry's (IMHO) and to a lesser extend the OP's "Land Trains" solve the complete destination-to-destination problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037976</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257760260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know where you live that you have suicidal deer.... but everywhere else, the deer don't run into the middle of packs of cars.  They wait until there aren't any cars and then stop in the middle of the road.  The lead car is by FAR the most likely have to deal with deer or other animals.  <br>
&nbsp; <br>Given the technology ALREADY in most cars, all you'd have to add is a simple forward and rear facing distance sensor, and link it to the control link, along with the onboard computer that already controls the brakes.  Similar to what the top luxury cars are already using.  Hell, BMW has a car that once you drive it around the track one time, it can drive itself around the track just as fast, kind of a fun episode of top gear if you get a chance to see it.  <br>
&nbsp; <br>Now when one car suddenly brakes, all the cars behind it brake at equal speed, and if they can't, the one in front partially releases it's brakes to avoid a rear end collision.  It's also trivial to require each car in the train to do a calibration test on the road to find it's braking speed.  The onboard computer can already do it.  And it probably already knows most of the information need to calculate this anyway.  If it doesn't, you just run the car up to 60, and slam on the brakes.  Letting the computer handle the braking, and record time and distance.  (things it does anyway)  The only time this becomes scary is when the road conditions are bad, ie ICE/Rain/whatever.  Mainly because you can't expect uniform conditions between cars on different patches of pavement.  Ice doesn't form in solid sheets, and rain is displaced differently by different tires and car weights especially if you are following very close.<br>
&nbsp; <br>The concept they have is good, but it should have it's own dedicated lane to make it much, much safer.  Even further, they should just require all new cars to have certain autodrive features.  Like collision avoidance and basic traction control and onboard diags.  Most nicer cars already do anyway, and if you still want to have super cheap cars, you can ban them from freeways/highways during rush hour.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know where you live that you have suicidal deer.... but everywhere else , the deer do n't run into the middle of packs of cars .
They wait until there are n't any cars and then stop in the middle of the road .
The lead car is by FAR the most likely have to deal with deer or other animals .
  Given the technology ALREADY in most cars , all you 'd have to add is a simple forward and rear facing distance sensor , and link it to the control link , along with the onboard computer that already controls the brakes .
Similar to what the top luxury cars are already using .
Hell , BMW has a car that once you drive it around the track one time , it can drive itself around the track just as fast , kind of a fun episode of top gear if you get a chance to see it .
  Now when one car suddenly brakes , all the cars behind it brake at equal speed , and if they ca n't , the one in front partially releases it 's brakes to avoid a rear end collision .
It 's also trivial to require each car in the train to do a calibration test on the road to find it 's braking speed .
The onboard computer can already do it .
And it probably already knows most of the information need to calculate this anyway .
If it does n't , you just run the car up to 60 , and slam on the brakes .
Letting the computer handle the braking , and record time and distance .
( things it does anyway ) The only time this becomes scary is when the road conditions are bad , ie ICE/Rain/whatever .
Mainly because you ca n't expect uniform conditions between cars on different patches of pavement .
Ice does n't form in solid sheets , and rain is displaced differently by different tires and car weights especially if you are following very close .
  The concept they have is good , but it should have it 's own dedicated lane to make it much , much safer .
Even further , they should just require all new cars to have certain autodrive features .
Like collision avoidance and basic traction control and onboard diags .
Most nicer cars already do anyway , and if you still want to have super cheap cars , you can ban them from freeways/highways during rush hour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know where you live that you have suicidal deer.... but everywhere else, the deer don't run into the middle of packs of cars.
They wait until there aren't any cars and then stop in the middle of the road.
The lead car is by FAR the most likely have to deal with deer or other animals.
  Given the technology ALREADY in most cars, all you'd have to add is a simple forward and rear facing distance sensor, and link it to the control link, along with the onboard computer that already controls the brakes.
Similar to what the top luxury cars are already using.
Hell, BMW has a car that once you drive it around the track one time, it can drive itself around the track just as fast, kind of a fun episode of top gear if you get a chance to see it.
  Now when one car suddenly brakes, all the cars behind it brake at equal speed, and if they can't, the one in front partially releases it's brakes to avoid a rear end collision.
It's also trivial to require each car in the train to do a calibration test on the road to find it's braking speed.
The onboard computer can already do it.
And it probably already knows most of the information need to calculate this anyway.
If it doesn't, you just run the car up to 60, and slam on the brakes.
Letting the computer handle the braking, and record time and distance.
(things it does anyway)  The only time this becomes scary is when the road conditions are bad, ie ICE/Rain/whatever.
Mainly because you can't expect uniform conditions between cars on different patches of pavement.
Ice doesn't form in solid sheets, and rain is displaced differently by different tires and car weights especially if you are following very close.
  The concept they have is good, but it should have it's own dedicated lane to make it much, much safer.
Even further, they should just require all new cars to have certain autodrive features.
Like collision avoidance and basic traction control and onboard diags.
Most nicer cars already do anyway, and if you still want to have super cheap cars, you can ban them from freeways/highways during rush hour.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035702</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035678</id>
	<title>Good general idea, but implementation...</title>
	<author>Tx</author>
	<datestamp>1257793620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTA: <i>Each road train could include up to eight separate vehicles. [...] The lead vehicle would be handled by a professional driver who would monitor the status of the road train.</i></p><p>This sounds like a major obstacle to me. One professional, presumably paid, driver to every eight vehicles sounds expensive and pretty impractical. What are they going to do, have you queue up somewhere waiting for one of these lead drivers to come along? I think that's taking the whole "train" analogy too far, one of the reasons I like driving is that I don't have to wait for a damn train. For this kind of thing to really work, I'd have thought the ideal would be not to have a lead driver at all, but to form ad-hoc trains. I.e. vehicles interrogate each other to find out if they're going on the same route, and automatically join the "train". I'd assume that cars with this sort of technology would be speed limited, at least while leading a train, so that shouldn't be an issue.</p><p><i>Mr Robinson speculated that those joining a platoon or road train may one day pay for the privilege of someone else effectively driving them closer to their destination.</i></p><p>And a further kicker. As far as I'm concerned, these road trains would be a very diminished driving experience. I expect to pay less in return for helping the environment and reducing road congestion, not more. Give me a reduction in my road tax or something in return for participating, and I might be interested.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA : Each road train could include up to eight separate vehicles .
[ ... ] The lead vehicle would be handled by a professional driver who would monitor the status of the road train.This sounds like a major obstacle to me .
One professional , presumably paid , driver to every eight vehicles sounds expensive and pretty impractical .
What are they going to do , have you queue up somewhere waiting for one of these lead drivers to come along ?
I think that 's taking the whole " train " analogy too far , one of the reasons I like driving is that I do n't have to wait for a damn train .
For this kind of thing to really work , I 'd have thought the ideal would be not to have a lead driver at all , but to form ad-hoc trains .
I.e. vehicles interrogate each other to find out if they 're going on the same route , and automatically join the " train " .
I 'd assume that cars with this sort of technology would be speed limited , at least while leading a train , so that should n't be an issue.Mr Robinson speculated that those joining a platoon or road train may one day pay for the privilege of someone else effectively driving them closer to their destination.And a further kicker .
As far as I 'm concerned , these road trains would be a very diminished driving experience .
I expect to pay less in return for helping the environment and reducing road congestion , not more .
Give me a reduction in my road tax or something in return for participating , and I might be interested .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA: Each road train could include up to eight separate vehicles.
[...] The lead vehicle would be handled by a professional driver who would monitor the status of the road train.This sounds like a major obstacle to me.
One professional, presumably paid, driver to every eight vehicles sounds expensive and pretty impractical.
What are they going to do, have you queue up somewhere waiting for one of these lead drivers to come along?
I think that's taking the whole "train" analogy too far, one of the reasons I like driving is that I don't have to wait for a damn train.
For this kind of thing to really work, I'd have thought the ideal would be not to have a lead driver at all, but to form ad-hoc trains.
I.e. vehicles interrogate each other to find out if they're going on the same route, and automatically join the "train".
I'd assume that cars with this sort of technology would be speed limited, at least while leading a train, so that shouldn't be an issue.Mr Robinson speculated that those joining a platoon or road train may one day pay for the privilege of someone else effectively driving them closer to their destination.And a further kicker.
As far as I'm concerned, these road trains would be a very diminished driving experience.
I expect to pay less in return for helping the environment and reducing road congestion, not more.
Give me a reduction in my road tax or something in return for participating, and I might be interested.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035972</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1257794700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Birds do this all the time.  If it didn't benefit the flock to form these cooperative formations then it would not have been selected for as strongly as it obviously was.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Birds do this all the time .
If it did n't benefit the flock to form these cooperative formations then it would not have been selected for as strongly as it obviously was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Birds do this all the time.
If it didn't benefit the flock to form these cooperative formations then it would not have been selected for as strongly as it obviously was.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037902</id>
	<title>Re:Mis-application of technology</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1257759900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>A better application of technology would be to cut the need for travel via telecomumting, telepresence, etc.</i></p><p>Except that most people who actually <i>create wealth</i> -- plumbers, electricians, carpenters, cooks, bartenders, etc., CAN'T telecommute.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A better application of technology would be to cut the need for travel via telecomumting , telepresence , etc.Except that most people who actually create wealth -- plumbers , electricians , carpenters , cooks , bartenders , etc. , CA N'T telecommute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A better application of technology would be to cut the need for travel via telecomumting, telepresence, etc.Except that most people who actually create wealth -- plumbers, electricians, carpenters, cooks, bartenders, etc., CAN'T telecommute.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035506</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036126</id>
	<title>Real Trains?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257795240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see no benefit over real trains <em>except</em> that this will work with existing roads.</p><p>If the issue is that you want your personal space and you want to drive to/from the train, then the much simpler fix is to make trains that allow vehicle docking.  This is actually a much more elegant solution than autonomous vehicle coordination.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see no benefit over real trains except that this will work with existing roads.If the issue is that you want your personal space and you want to drive to/from the train , then the much simpler fix is to make trains that allow vehicle docking .
This is actually a much more elegant solution than autonomous vehicle coordination .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see no benefit over real trains except that this will work with existing roads.If the issue is that you want your personal space and you want to drive to/from the train, then the much simpler fix is to make trains that allow vehicle docking.
This is actually a much more elegant solution than autonomous vehicle coordination.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30040278</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>caywen</author>
	<datestamp>1257771000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You're handing control over to another driver, who may very well decide not to brake and cause a five car pileup, or worse.</p></div><p>I would think the reaction time of braking of all following vehicles would be measured in tens of milliseconds instead of hundreds of milliseconds for the average human driver. I actually might feel more protected from pileup in a road train than on my own (depending on reality, of course).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're handing control over to another driver , who may very well decide not to brake and cause a five car pileup , or worse.I would think the reaction time of braking of all following vehicles would be measured in tens of milliseconds instead of hundreds of milliseconds for the average human driver .
I actually might feel more protected from pileup in a road train than on my own ( depending on reality , of course ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're handing control over to another driver, who may very well decide not to brake and cause a five car pileup, or worse.I would think the reaction time of braking of all following vehicles would be measured in tens of milliseconds instead of hundreds of milliseconds for the average human driver.
I actually might feel more protected from pileup in a road train than on my own (depending on reality, of course).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037088</id>
	<title>Re:I just hope...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257799680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm more worried about when they pass through a built up area and someone's running a microwave oven... BZZT! Bye bye wireless lead car connection</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm more worried about when they pass through a built up area and someone 's running a microwave oven... BZZT ! Bye bye wireless lead car connection</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm more worried about when they pass through a built up area and someone's running a microwave oven... BZZT! Bye bye wireless lead car connection</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036136</id>
	<title>Re:Mis-application of technology</title>
	<author>moderatorrater</author>
	<datestamp>1257795300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Communication benefits greatly from gestures, facial cues, and subtle tone changes that can't be transmitted as well if they can be transmitted at all over a digital medium. For instance, if I were to say this in person, the meaning would change drastically depending on whether I was yelling while flipping you off or talking in a relative monotone. Digital communication can't fully replace face to face conversation, so it makes sense that in communication-rich environments telecommuting would be discouraged.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Communication benefits greatly from gestures , facial cues , and subtle tone changes that ca n't be transmitted as well if they can be transmitted at all over a digital medium .
For instance , if I were to say this in person , the meaning would change drastically depending on whether I was yelling while flipping you off or talking in a relative monotone .
Digital communication ca n't fully replace face to face conversation , so it makes sense that in communication-rich environments telecommuting would be discouraged .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Communication benefits greatly from gestures, facial cues, and subtle tone changes that can't be transmitted as well if they can be transmitted at all over a digital medium.
For instance, if I were to say this in person, the meaning would change drastically depending on whether I was yelling while flipping you off or talking in a relative monotone.
Digital communication can't fully replace face to face conversation, so it makes sense that in communication-rich environments telecommuting would be discouraged.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035506</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039100</id>
	<title>Re:What hath the free market wrought?</title>
	<author>fiannaFailMan</author>
	<datestamp>1257765000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>... the vast majority of free market types still support the idea of the government fulfilling the role of national defense to some degree.</p></div><p>No, they just don't think about it. That would interfere with the "all government is evil" mantra that has been drilled into their heads by corporate media interests.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... the vast majority of free market types still support the idea of the government fulfilling the role of national defense to some degree.No , they just do n't think about it .
That would interfere with the " all government is evil " mantra that has been drilled into their heads by corporate media interests .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... the vast majority of free market types still support the idea of the government fulfilling the role of national defense to some degree.No, they just don't think about it.
That would interfere with the "all government is evil" mantra that has been drilled into their heads by corporate media interests.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035922</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30040110</id>
	<title>Re:Train Wreck</title>
	<author>kylegordon</author>
	<datestamp>1257770160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Human error? You missed the bit in TFA stating  "The drivers can relax until they wish to leave the road train, at which point they signal their intention to the driver at the front." I would assume 'signal' != leaning on joystick by accident</p><p>Mechanical error? You missed the bit where you think a driver behind could avoid a wildly spinning car. An extreme mechanical failure is causing a rapid departure from a tight knit train is also unlikely to impact the car directly behind it anyway. More likely to leave car 3 wondering why there's suddenly a big gap in front of it, and a hole in the hedge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Human error ?
You missed the bit in TFA stating " The drivers can relax until they wish to leave the road train , at which point they signal their intention to the driver at the front .
" I would assume 'signal ' ! = leaning on joystick by accidentMechanical error ?
You missed the bit where you think a driver behind could avoid a wildly spinning car .
An extreme mechanical failure is causing a rapid departure from a tight knit train is also unlikely to impact the car directly behind it anyway .
More likely to leave car 3 wondering why there 's suddenly a big gap in front of it , and a hole in the hedge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Human error?
You missed the bit in TFA stating  "The drivers can relax until they wish to leave the road train, at which point they signal their intention to the driver at the front.
" I would assume 'signal' != leaning on joystick by accidentMechanical error?
You missed the bit where you think a driver behind could avoid a wildly spinning car.
An extreme mechanical failure is causing a rapid departure from a tight knit train is also unlikely to impact the car directly behind it anyway.
More likely to leave car 3 wondering why there's suddenly a big gap in front of it, and a hole in the hedge.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036016</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30046866</id>
	<title>Beyond 2000</title>
	<author>daHIFI</author>
	<datestamp>1257874020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember seeing a demo of this on the old TV show 'Beyond 2000' back in the late 90s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember seeing a demo of this on the old TV show 'Beyond 2000 ' back in the late 90s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember seeing a demo of this on the old TV show 'Beyond 2000' back in the late 90s.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038288</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257761580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)</i></p><p><i>Fortunately, aerodynamics does not work like that.</i></p><p>I may be wrong but I think virtually everyone is missing a part of the point. Unless the professional, paid driver up front is actually going somewhere, THAT is the wasted fuel I read that the OP was describing. Seems to me that members of the commuting public should be able to take exams and get licensed to serve as lead cars. The thought of putting paid government workers out there in traffic just to assemble "drafting teams" since wasteful to me, too, unless - like I said - those drivers actually have a destination.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they forget to mention the * EXTRA * fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others.. ) Fortunately , aerodynamics does not work like that.I may be wrong but I think virtually everyone is missing a part of the point .
Unless the professional , paid driver up front is actually going somewhere , THAT is the wasted fuel I read that the OP was describing .
Seems to me that members of the commuting public should be able to take exams and get licensed to serve as lead cars .
The thought of putting paid government workers out there in traffic just to assemble " drafting teams " since wasteful to me , too , unless - like I said - those drivers actually have a destination .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)Fortunately, aerodynamics does not work like that.I may be wrong but I think virtually everyone is missing a part of the point.
Unless the professional, paid driver up front is actually going somewhere, THAT is the wasted fuel I read that the OP was describing.
Seems to me that members of the commuting public should be able to take exams and get licensed to serve as lead cars.
The thought of putting paid government workers out there in traffic just to assemble "drafting teams" since wasteful to me, too, unless - like I said - those drivers actually have a destination.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035650</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035622</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>jcochran</author>
	<datestamp>1257793440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the vehicle in front also benefits from the drafting. Not to the same degree as the trailing vehicles, but it gets a significant benefit none the less. See <a href="http://www.livescience.com/technology/070215\_nascar\_aero.html" title="livescience.com">http://www.livescience.com/technology/070215\_nascar\_aero.html</a> [livescience.com] for details.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the vehicle in front also benefits from the drafting .
Not to the same degree as the trailing vehicles , but it gets a significant benefit none the less .
See http : //www.livescience.com/technology/070215 \ _nascar \ _aero.html [ livescience.com ] for details .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the vehicle in front also benefits from the drafting.
Not to the same degree as the trailing vehicles, but it gets a significant benefit none the less.
See http://www.livescience.com/technology/070215\_nascar\_aero.html [livescience.com] for details.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037852</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257759720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The obvious solution is to tie drivers licenses with hunting licenses, add turrets on to every car, and make it legal to shoot deer from the car train.  No one is allowed to mention buffalo in rebuttal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The obvious solution is to tie drivers licenses with hunting licenses , add turrets on to every car , and make it legal to shoot deer from the car train .
No one is allowed to mention buffalo in rebuttal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The obvious solution is to tie drivers licenses with hunting licenses, add turrets on to every car, and make it legal to shoot deer from the car train.
No one is allowed to mention buffalo in rebuttal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035702</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036540</id>
	<title>Re:Tailgating to the max</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1257797340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"aimed at commuters in cars who travel long distances to work every day"</p><p>I have a better idea.  Hook those road trains up to their houses, and move the houses closer to work.  That will save a LOT of fuel, not to mention wear and tear on the infrastructure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" aimed at commuters in cars who travel long distances to work every day " I have a better idea .
Hook those road trains up to their houses , and move the houses closer to work .
That will save a LOT of fuel , not to mention wear and tear on the infrastructure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"aimed at commuters in cars who travel long distances to work every day"I have a better idea.
Hook those road trains up to their houses, and move the houses closer to work.
That will save a LOT of fuel, not to mention wear and tear on the infrastructure.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035476</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044684</id>
	<title>Engine heat?</title>
	<author>zztong</author>
	<datestamp>1257863580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many, many years ago I vaguely remembering a discussion between some relatives of mine about drafting to get better milage. I seem to recall one potential problem that was mentioned was that trailing cars might not get the airflow for cooling the engine that was expected by the designers. None involved in the discussion were experts. I wonder if there's anything to that line of thinking...?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many , many years ago I vaguely remembering a discussion between some relatives of mine about drafting to get better milage .
I seem to recall one potential problem that was mentioned was that trailing cars might not get the airflow for cooling the engine that was expected by the designers .
None involved in the discussion were experts .
I wonder if there 's anything to that line of thinking... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many, many years ago I vaguely remembering a discussion between some relatives of mine about drafting to get better milage.
I seem to recall one potential problem that was mentioned was that trailing cars might not get the airflow for cooling the engine that was expected by the designers.
None involved in the discussion were experts.
I wonder if there's anything to that line of thinking...?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035794</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257793980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
So you want a dedicated lane, which won't be built until you have participants, but you won't get your dedicated lane until there are participants.  Classic chicken and egg stuff.
</p><p>
These folks have actually thought of a way out of that trap.  It only requires that the participants have special equipment - it can grow from something small, and then maybe have dedicated lanes some day.
</p><p>
From something smalll<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... just like your sig says<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you want a dedicated lane , which wo n't be built until you have participants , but you wo n't get your dedicated lane until there are participants .
Classic chicken and egg stuff .
These folks have actually thought of a way out of that trap .
It only requires that the participants have special equipment - it can grow from something small , and then maybe have dedicated lanes some day .
From something smalll ... just like your sig says .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
So you want a dedicated lane, which won't be built until you have participants, but you won't get your dedicated lane until there are participants.
Classic chicken and egg stuff.
These folks have actually thought of a way out of that trap.
It only requires that the participants have special equipment - it can grow from something small, and then maybe have dedicated lanes some day.
From something smalll ... just like your sig says ...
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037862</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257759720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's just hope Dlink doesn't manufacture the "routers" for this car-based packet network, as losing packets could have some rather dire consequences<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's just hope Dlink does n't manufacture the " routers " for this car-based packet network , as losing packets could have some rather dire consequences ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's just hope Dlink doesn't manufacture the "routers" for this car-based packet network, as losing packets could have some rather dire consequences ;)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037898</id>
	<title>Technologty can't fix stupid drivers</title>
	<author>natoochtoniket</author>
	<datestamp>1257759900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This morning, I drove about 20 miles in extremely dense traffic.  "Bumper to bumper", and about 15 miles below speed limit.  I could see the lead vehicles at every curve in the road.  They were side by side, matching speeds.  In front of them, there were no cars (none!) on the road, as far as the eye could see.</p><p>"Drafting" might help fuel economy, but the only way it could reduce congestion or travel times would be if we can also get some of the idiots off of the road.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This morning , I drove about 20 miles in extremely dense traffic .
" Bumper to bumper " , and about 15 miles below speed limit .
I could see the lead vehicles at every curve in the road .
They were side by side , matching speeds .
In front of them , there were no cars ( none !
) on the road , as far as the eye could see .
" Drafting " might help fuel economy , but the only way it could reduce congestion or travel times would be if we can also get some of the idiots off of the road .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This morning, I drove about 20 miles in extremely dense traffic.
"Bumper to bumper", and about 15 miles below speed limit.
I could see the lead vehicles at every curve in the road.
They were side by side, matching speeds.
In front of them, there were no cars (none!
) on the road, as far as the eye could see.
"Drafting" might help fuel economy, but the only way it could reduce congestion or travel times would be if we can also get some of the idiots off of the road.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039030</id>
	<title>Scary security implications</title>
	<author>SoftwareArtist</author>
	<datestamp>1257764580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why am I really scared by the idea that every car will be remotely controllable via a wireless connection?  Of course there's no risk.  It's completely inconceivable that someone will figure out how to hack into the control system, bypassing whatever authentication is required and taking control of random cars as they drive down the road.  We all know things like that could never happen, since of course these cars will have unbreakable security.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why am I really scared by the idea that every car will be remotely controllable via a wireless connection ?
Of course there 's no risk .
It 's completely inconceivable that someone will figure out how to hack into the control system , bypassing whatever authentication is required and taking control of random cars as they drive down the road .
We all know things like that could never happen , since of course these cars will have unbreakable security .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why am I really scared by the idea that every car will be remotely controllable via a wireless connection?
Of course there's no risk.
It's completely inconceivable that someone will figure out how to hack into the control system, bypassing whatever authentication is required and taking control of random cars as they drive down the road.
We all know things like that could never happen, since of course these cars will have unbreakable security.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044978</id>
	<title>The solution is old - "private rapid transit"</title>
	<author>h00manist</author>
	<datestamp>1257865560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal\_rapid\_transit" title="wikipedia.org">PRT - Private Rapid Transit</a> [wikipedia.org] is old, has lots of different companies, solutions, implementations, and tests, and works great!  The only problem as usual, is that it's too efficient - it doesn't waste and crash lots of cars and break lots of parts, require constant maintenance, insurance, fuel, roads, service stations, parking lots, resellers, etc, "generating" millions of jobs, and make lots of money for lots of companies.  It just gets built once, requires only a few maint guys, and just works.  So when we invent a new form of economy, not socialism or capitalism, maybe we'll have it.  Till then, plod along at 35mph in a 120mph-capable steel box, surrounded by amateur drivers in their own private steel boxes, consuming 30\% of the average salary and killing a couple users once in a while.</htmltext>
<tokenext>PRT - Private Rapid Transit [ wikipedia.org ] is old , has lots of different companies , solutions , implementations , and tests , and works great !
The only problem as usual , is that it 's too efficient - it does n't waste and crash lots of cars and break lots of parts , require constant maintenance , insurance , fuel , roads , service stations , parking lots , resellers , etc , " generating " millions of jobs , and make lots of money for lots of companies .
It just gets built once , requires only a few maint guys , and just works .
So when we invent a new form of economy , not socialism or capitalism , maybe we 'll have it .
Till then , plod along at 35mph in a 120mph-capable steel box , surrounded by amateur drivers in their own private steel boxes , consuming 30 \ % of the average salary and killing a couple users once in a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> PRT - Private Rapid Transit [wikipedia.org] is old, has lots of different companies, solutions, implementations, and tests, and works great!
The only problem as usual, is that it's too efficient - it doesn't waste and crash lots of cars and break lots of parts, require constant maintenance, insurance, fuel, roads, service stations, parking lots, resellers, etc, "generating" millions of jobs, and make lots of money for lots of companies.
It just gets built once, requires only a few maint guys, and just works.
So when we invent a new form of economy, not socialism or capitalism, maybe we'll have it.
Till then, plod along at 35mph in a 120mph-capable steel box, surrounded by amateur drivers in their own private steel boxes, consuming 30\% of the average salary and killing a couple users once in a while.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036640</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036016</id>
	<title>Train Wreck</title>
	<author>smitty777</author>
	<datestamp>1257794880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK - imagine this scenario: a train is driving along, and something happens to car number 2/8.  Hit by another car, flat tire, accidentally leans on the <a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/21/1454209/Toyota-Experimenting-With-Joystick-Control-For-Cars" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow"> joystick</a> [slashdot.org], whatever.  The car veers out of control, unlinking cars 3-8.  So now you have six cars being manned by people who were sleeping/reading/eating/daydreaming 10 nanoseconds ago.</p><p>I'm just sayin, I don't think you could pay me enough to get in one of those trains.  Mythbusters did an interesting piece on saving gas by drafting. You could save a great deal of gas, but at great expense to safety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK - imagine this scenario : a train is driving along , and something happens to car number 2/8 .
Hit by another car , flat tire , accidentally leans on the joystick [ slashdot.org ] , whatever .
The car veers out of control , unlinking cars 3-8 .
So now you have six cars being manned by people who were sleeping/reading/eating/daydreaming 10 nanoseconds ago.I 'm just sayin , I do n't think you could pay me enough to get in one of those trains .
Mythbusters did an interesting piece on saving gas by drafting .
You could save a great deal of gas , but at great expense to safety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK - imagine this scenario: a train is driving along, and something happens to car number 2/8.
Hit by another car, flat tire, accidentally leans on the  joystick [slashdot.org], whatever.
The car veers out of control, unlinking cars 3-8.
So now you have six cars being manned by people who were sleeping/reading/eating/daydreaming 10 nanoseconds ago.I'm just sayin, I don't think you could pay me enough to get in one of those trains.
Mythbusters did an interesting piece on saving gas by drafting.
You could save a great deal of gas, but at great expense to safety.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038194</id>
	<title>Yeah, define 'soon'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257761220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is interesting, in its way, but there are so many hurdles to overcome that claiming it's 'soon' to be rolled out it becomes a rather blatant search for publicity.  And, oh look, it worked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is interesting , in its way , but there are so many hurdles to overcome that claiming it 's 'soon ' to be rolled out it becomes a rather blatant search for publicity .
And , oh look , it worked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is interesting, in its way, but there are so many hurdles to overcome that claiming it's 'soon' to be rolled out it becomes a rather blatant search for publicity.
And, oh look, it worked.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039844</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1257768960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You're handing control over to another driver, who may very well decide not to brake and cause a five car pileup, or worse. Also, there's no way to know the mechanical status of the vehicle -- what if one of them blows a tire, or runs out of gas, or the engine seizes?</p></div><p>And the danger is higher on a road train compared to manual driving because of what, exactly?</p><p>It isn't. I'm sure during this research they'll collect the numbers on that, and then some, because they know how much convincing people need to give up control. Because that's what this is about: Control. Not safety. Every "safety" argument against automated driving that I've heard so far isn't actually a safety argument, it's an "I feel safer when I'm in control" argument. Which says nothing about safety, only about feelings and control.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>What you should do is create a dedicated lane that is controlled entirely by computer,</p></div><p>You already spotted the problem with that. Manual drivers <b>will</b> use that lane, and no, police and penalties won't discourage them (otherwise, there would be nobody speeding).</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I mean, it'd basically be a packet-switched network, but with cars instead of pieces of data. It's a relatively benign IT problem.</p></div><p>Except that you can't simply re-transmit if you have packet collisions.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>As well, vehicle breakdowns would be handled a lot better because the system would be tied directly to the onboard computer and navigation systems:</p></div><p>The research already includes onboard computers that are required to join the road train. What makes you think that these things would not be handled by the same computer?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're handing control over to another driver , who may very well decide not to brake and cause a five car pileup , or worse .
Also , there 's no way to know the mechanical status of the vehicle -- what if one of them blows a tire , or runs out of gas , or the engine seizes ? And the danger is higher on a road train compared to manual driving because of what , exactly ? It is n't .
I 'm sure during this research they 'll collect the numbers on that , and then some , because they know how much convincing people need to give up control .
Because that 's what this is about : Control .
Not safety .
Every " safety " argument against automated driving that I 've heard so far is n't actually a safety argument , it 's an " I feel safer when I 'm in control " argument .
Which says nothing about safety , only about feelings and control.What you should do is create a dedicated lane that is controlled entirely by computer,You already spotted the problem with that .
Manual drivers will use that lane , and no , police and penalties wo n't discourage them ( otherwise , there would be nobody speeding ) .I mean , it 'd basically be a packet-switched network , but with cars instead of pieces of data .
It 's a relatively benign IT problem.Except that you ca n't simply re-transmit if you have packet collisions.As well , vehicle breakdowns would be handled a lot better because the system would be tied directly to the onboard computer and navigation systems : The research already includes onboard computers that are required to join the road train .
What makes you think that these things would not be handled by the same computer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're handing control over to another driver, who may very well decide not to brake and cause a five car pileup, or worse.
Also, there's no way to know the mechanical status of the vehicle -- what if one of them blows a tire, or runs out of gas, or the engine seizes?And the danger is higher on a road train compared to manual driving because of what, exactly?It isn't.
I'm sure during this research they'll collect the numbers on that, and then some, because they know how much convincing people need to give up control.
Because that's what this is about: Control.
Not safety.
Every "safety" argument against automated driving that I've heard so far isn't actually a safety argument, it's an "I feel safer when I'm in control" argument.
Which says nothing about safety, only about feelings and control.What you should do is create a dedicated lane that is controlled entirely by computer,You already spotted the problem with that.
Manual drivers will use that lane, and no, police and penalties won't discourage them (otherwise, there would be nobody speeding).I mean, it'd basically be a packet-switched network, but with cars instead of pieces of data.
It's a relatively benign IT problem.Except that you can't simply re-transmit if you have packet collisions.As well, vehicle breakdowns would be handled a lot better because the system would be tied directly to the onboard computer and navigation systems:The research already includes onboard computers that are required to join the road train.
What makes you think that these things would not be handled by the same computer?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035886</id>
	<title>I was driving ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257794400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>... on I-94 to Minneapolis, but I fell asleep and missed the exit by 150 miles.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... on I-94 to Minneapolis , but I fell asleep and missed the exit by 150 miles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... on I-94 to Minneapolis, but I fell asleep and missed the exit by 150 miles.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035484</id>
	<title>Ummm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257792840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't we have this already?<br> <br>
Railway trains perchance?<br> <br>
Prawns.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't we have this already ?
Railway trains perchance ?
Prawns .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't we have this already?
Railway trains perchance?
Prawns.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035550</id>
	<title>Tailgating to the max</title>
	<author>Saryn</author>
	<datestamp>1257793140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This seems like it could be pretty bad if there was an accident.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This seems like it could be pretty bad if there was an accident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems like it could be pretty bad if there was an accident.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038694</id>
	<title>Re:Good general idea, but implementation...</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1257763140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this is more suited to commercial travel (trucks) and military convoys. If I wanted to have all the inconvinience of train travel, I'd just take a train and get the disadvantages <i>and</i> advantages of riding on a train.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is more suited to commercial travel ( trucks ) and military convoys .
If I wanted to have all the inconvinience of train travel , I 'd just take a train and get the disadvantages and advantages of riding on a train .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is more suited to commercial travel (trucks) and military convoys.
If I wanted to have all the inconvinience of train travel, I'd just take a train and get the disadvantages and advantages of riding on a train.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035678</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044320</id>
	<title>Re:Merging and Curves</title>
	<author>slim</author>
	<datestamp>1257860160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How would they expect this system to work at highway Merges ?</p></div><p>Don't. Stick to shuttling up and down a simple motorway.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Another fun thing is inclement weather and curves on the highway. My car can take curves at a much higher speed than a panel truck during high winds.</p></div><p>The train would obviously have to go at the lowest speed that's safe for all the vehicles in it. There's a few ways this could go:</p><p>I can imagine a situation where the trains go slower than you would probably choose to drive. I'd choose a 4 hour journey where I don't have to concentrate, over a 3.5 hour journey where I do.</p><p>I can also imagine a situation where the trains go a lot faster than you would probably choose to drive - because the software is considered a safer driver than a person; because you have a dedicated lane; whatever.</p><p>I can imagine certain classes of vehicle not being allowed into a train because they can't safely go at the required speed.</p><p>I don't think roads with any kind of sharp turns would be considered for this project. Even so, if high sided trucks are involved, then speeds would have to be reduced in extreme weather conditions.</p><p>Of course, everyone should reduce speed in extreme weather anyway. With a pro at the wheel, it's more likely to actually happen.</p><p>I imagine it would remain in an outer lane, so as not to interfere with</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How would they expect this system to work at highway Merges ? Do n't .
Stick to shuttling up and down a simple motorway.Another fun thing is inclement weather and curves on the highway .
My car can take curves at a much higher speed than a panel truck during high winds.The train would obviously have to go at the lowest speed that 's safe for all the vehicles in it .
There 's a few ways this could go : I can imagine a situation where the trains go slower than you would probably choose to drive .
I 'd choose a 4 hour journey where I do n't have to concentrate , over a 3.5 hour journey where I do.I can also imagine a situation where the trains go a lot faster than you would probably choose to drive - because the software is considered a safer driver than a person ; because you have a dedicated lane ; whatever.I can imagine certain classes of vehicle not being allowed into a train because they ca n't safely go at the required speed.I do n't think roads with any kind of sharp turns would be considered for this project .
Even so , if high sided trucks are involved , then speeds would have to be reduced in extreme weather conditions.Of course , everyone should reduce speed in extreme weather anyway .
With a pro at the wheel , it 's more likely to actually happen.I imagine it would remain in an outer lane , so as not to interfere with</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How would they expect this system to work at highway Merges ?Don't.
Stick to shuttling up and down a simple motorway.Another fun thing is inclement weather and curves on the highway.
My car can take curves at a much higher speed than a panel truck during high winds.The train would obviously have to go at the lowest speed that's safe for all the vehicles in it.
There's a few ways this could go:I can imagine a situation where the trains go slower than you would probably choose to drive.
I'd choose a 4 hour journey where I don't have to concentrate, over a 3.5 hour journey where I do.I can also imagine a situation where the trains go a lot faster than you would probably choose to drive - because the software is considered a safer driver than a person; because you have a dedicated lane; whatever.I can imagine certain classes of vehicle not being allowed into a train because they can't safely go at the required speed.I don't think roads with any kind of sharp turns would be considered for this project.
Even so, if high sided trucks are involved, then speeds would have to be reduced in extreme weather conditions.Of course, everyone should reduce speed in extreme weather anyway.
With a pro at the wheel, it's more likely to actually happen.I imagine it would remain in an outer lane, so as not to interfere with
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039638</id>
	<title>Re:I just hope...</title>
	<author>CrazyDuke</author>
	<datestamp>1257767640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that, but, I hope there is a way for the driver to quickly override the system should an emergency lane change be needed.  I have had people cut me off and slam on the breaks (surprisingly common), drop unsecured ladders and furniture in the road in front of me, lose control and impact other vehicles, etc...  And, even if you did leave enough following distance you often will have a dozen 4-wheelers packed under your trailer if you hit the breaks.</p><p>There are too many wanna-be street racers, chat happy morons that think they are invulnerable in their civilian tanks, and all around passive-aggressive idiots that love nothing better than to piss everyone else off on the road because they can here in the states for this to be practical.  I don't know about Europe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that , but , I hope there is a way for the driver to quickly override the system should an emergency lane change be needed .
I have had people cut me off and slam on the breaks ( surprisingly common ) , drop unsecured ladders and furniture in the road in front of me , lose control and impact other vehicles , etc... And , even if you did leave enough following distance you often will have a dozen 4-wheelers packed under your trailer if you hit the breaks.There are too many wan na-be street racers , chat happy morons that think they are invulnerable in their civilian tanks , and all around passive-aggressive idiots that love nothing better than to piss everyone else off on the road because they can here in the states for this to be practical .
I do n't know about Europe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that, but, I hope there is a way for the driver to quickly override the system should an emergency lane change be needed.
I have had people cut me off and slam on the breaks (surprisingly common), drop unsecured ladders and furniture in the road in front of me, lose control and impact other vehicles, etc...  And, even if you did leave enough following distance you often will have a dozen 4-wheelers packed under your trailer if you hit the breaks.There are too many wanna-be street racers, chat happy morons that think they are invulnerable in their civilian tanks, and all around passive-aggressive idiots that love nothing better than to piss everyone else off on the road because they can here in the states for this to be practical.
I don't know about Europe.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035800</id>
	<title>Stepping stone to auto pilot?</title>
	<author>HangingChad</author>
	<datestamp>1257794040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm wondering if this is a workable step to an autopilot for cars?  I would pay a lot to be able to hook up to a platoon and sleep a good portion of the trip.  But it would seem like this might be workable as an interim step to an in-road sensor system.

</p><p>The real trick would be making sure the driver was awake before releasing the car from the platoon. And what about the cars behind them?  Also don't see how this prevents someone from cutting in between cars in the train.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm wondering if this is a workable step to an autopilot for cars ?
I would pay a lot to be able to hook up to a platoon and sleep a good portion of the trip .
But it would seem like this might be workable as an interim step to an in-road sensor system .
The real trick would be making sure the driver was awake before releasing the car from the platoon .
And what about the cars behind them ?
Also do n't see how this prevents someone from cutting in between cars in the train .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm wondering if this is a workable step to an autopilot for cars?
I would pay a lot to be able to hook up to a platoon and sleep a good portion of the trip.
But it would seem like this might be workable as an interim step to an in-road sensor system.
The real trick would be making sure the driver was awake before releasing the car from the platoon.
And what about the cars behind them?
Also don't see how this prevents someone from cutting in between cars in the train.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035640</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257793500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>20\% less fuel for the vehicles following the main vehicle..</i></p><p><i>(they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)</i></p><p>Not true. If you look at the aerodynamics, the low pressure behind the leading vehicle (by itself) actually slows it down by increased drag. Putting a 2nd vehicle closely behind the first also reduces the drag on the leading vehicle.</p><p><i>Basically, no one will ever want to be in front (look at cycle races.. it only works if people take turns at being the 1st in line..)</i></p><p>Bike races are different - because it's not a question of using less energy. It a question of using less energy THAN THE OTHER COMPETITORS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>20 \ % less fuel for the vehicles following the main vehicle.. ( they forget to mention the * EXTRA * fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others.. ) Not true .
If you look at the aerodynamics , the low pressure behind the leading vehicle ( by itself ) actually slows it down by increased drag .
Putting a 2nd vehicle closely behind the first also reduces the drag on the leading vehicle.Basically , no one will ever want to be in front ( look at cycle races.. it only works if people take turns at being the 1st in line.. ) Bike races are different - because it 's not a question of using less energy .
It a question of using less energy THAN THE OTHER COMPETITORS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>20\% less fuel for the vehicles following the main vehicle..(they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)Not true.
If you look at the aerodynamics, the low pressure behind the leading vehicle (by itself) actually slows it down by increased drag.
Putting a 2nd vehicle closely behind the first also reduces the drag on the leading vehicle.Basically, no one will ever want to be in front (look at cycle races.. it only works if people take turns at being the 1st in line..)Bike races are different - because it's not a question of using less energy.
It a question of using less energy THAN THE OTHER COMPETITORS.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494</id>
	<title>I just hope...</title>
	<author>mmkkbb</author>
	<datestamp>1257792840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That you can check the professional driver's safety record before joining the train.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That you can check the professional driver 's safety record before joining the train .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That you can check the professional driver's safety record before joining the train.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30054388</id>
	<title>Re:I just hope...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257862620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Today working at some train tracks, Saw a lady get out of the school bus she was driving after parking it in the school bus lot.  gets in her little car. rail systems starts going on,  Bells ringing, lights flashing, barrier guard dropping  she guns it though  with about 8 guys in safty vests running outta the way..</p><p>as one of em said " yeah thats who I want to be driving my kids"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Today working at some train tracks , Saw a lady get out of the school bus she was driving after parking it in the school bus lot .
gets in her little car .
rail systems starts going on , Bells ringing , lights flashing , barrier guard dropping she guns it though with about 8 guys in safty vests running outta the way..as one of em said " yeah thats who I want to be driving my kids "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Today working at some train tracks, Saw a lady get out of the school bus she was driving after parking it in the school bus lot.
gets in her little car.
rail systems starts going on,  Bells ringing, lights flashing, barrier guard dropping  she guns it though  with about 8 guys in safty vests running outta the way..as one of em said " yeah thats who I want to be driving my kids"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035902</id>
	<title>Re:Mis-application of technology</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257794460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I personally like going into work. Yes, I have the ability to VPN in, but being in the office removes so many distractions, puts me in the right state of mind, and even though I am in a building full of about 1000 IT workers I still have at least one meeting per day, and it is so much more productive to have everyone there in person then to have to communicate over teleconference or screen sharing.</p><p>Now if we all had teleprecence rooms then I would say you are absolutely right, but until that day comes I will commute to the office. But I guess in the end it is just a personal preference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I personally like going into work .
Yes , I have the ability to VPN in , but being in the office removes so many distractions , puts me in the right state of mind , and even though I am in a building full of about 1000 IT workers I still have at least one meeting per day , and it is so much more productive to have everyone there in person then to have to communicate over teleconference or screen sharing.Now if we all had teleprecence rooms then I would say you are absolutely right , but until that day comes I will commute to the office .
But I guess in the end it is just a personal preference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I personally like going into work.
Yes, I have the ability to VPN in, but being in the office removes so many distractions, puts me in the right state of mind, and even though I am in a building full of about 1000 IT workers I still have at least one meeting per day, and it is so much more productive to have everyone there in person then to have to communicate over teleconference or screen sharing.Now if we all had teleprecence rooms then I would say you are absolutely right, but until that day comes I will commute to the office.
But I guess in the end it is just a personal preference.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035506</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035650</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>LtGordon</author>
	<datestamp>1257793500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)</p></div><p>Fortunately, aerodynamics does not work like that. The reduced fuel consumption for the following vehicles is a result of reduced aerodynamic drag. Basically the lead vehicle pushes the air and forms a low-pressure wake behind it that the followers take advantage of. However, there is no <i>additional</i> drag penalty for the lead car. The only thing the lead car has to envy is the fuel <i>savings</i> that he doesn't get by being up front.
</p><p>Statistically speaking, this would be mitigated by the fact that you should only rarely have to be at the front of the "train". E.g. in a ten car "train", you could expect to be a beneficiary approx. 90\% of the time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>they forget to mention the * EXTRA * fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others.. ) Fortunately , aerodynamics does not work like that .
The reduced fuel consumption for the following vehicles is a result of reduced aerodynamic drag .
Basically the lead vehicle pushes the air and forms a low-pressure wake behind it that the followers take advantage of .
However , there is no additional drag penalty for the lead car .
The only thing the lead car has to envy is the fuel savings that he does n't get by being up front .
Statistically speaking , this would be mitigated by the fact that you should only rarely have to be at the front of the " train " .
E.g. in a ten car " train " , you could expect to be a beneficiary approx .
90 \ % of the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)Fortunately, aerodynamics does not work like that.
The reduced fuel consumption for the following vehicles is a result of reduced aerodynamic drag.
Basically the lead vehicle pushes the air and forms a low-pressure wake behind it that the followers take advantage of.
However, there is no additional drag penalty for the lead car.
The only thing the lead car has to envy is the fuel savings that he doesn't get by being up front.
Statistically speaking, this would be mitigated by the fact that you should only rarely have to be at the front of the "train".
E.g. in a ten car "train", you could expect to be a beneficiary approx.
90\% of the time.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036218</id>
	<title>Re:Wifi reliability</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1257795720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I could see that.  Everyone's on channel 6, and every car is called "linksys".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I could see that .
Everyone 's on channel 6 , and every car is called " linksys " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I could see that.
Everyone's on channel 6, and every car is called "linksys".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035564</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035688</id>
	<title>Reminds me of a dream I once had</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257793680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The scene: A road that was winding its way along a treacherous landscape (think Wile E. Coyote's home turf).<p>

A generic couple were standing by the side of road, which was basically a piece of flat pavement cut into the side of a mountain. They were watching a garage inventor/scientist type explain his latest invention, a motorized luggage carrier. Sort of a motorcycle sidecar or luggage unit for people who didn't want to change the visual impact of their motorbike. It was an independent unit, had its own motor and fuel, and required only a slight modification to the motorcycle in the form of a radio transmitter. After that, it basically mimicked the motions of the "master" motorcycle.</p><p>

Garage inventor gets on his bike, fires it up, and drives off. Sure enough, the other device (which I recall looking a lot like a large cooler on wheels) fired up by itself and followed. A few minutes later, the garage inventor loops back and drives by. Getting cocky, he waves at the couple. Unfortunately, he hits a rock and with only one hand on the handlebars, can't recover. He loses control, and drives off the side of the cliff. An unpleasant "crunch" is heard below.</p><p>

Moments later, the motorized luggage holder comes along and dutifully throws itself off the cliff as well. A second "crunch" is heard.</p><p>

The couple look down at the carnage and then leave.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The scene : A road that was winding its way along a treacherous landscape ( think Wile E. Coyote 's home turf ) .
A generic couple were standing by the side of road , which was basically a piece of flat pavement cut into the side of a mountain .
They were watching a garage inventor/scientist type explain his latest invention , a motorized luggage carrier .
Sort of a motorcycle sidecar or luggage unit for people who did n't want to change the visual impact of their motorbike .
It was an independent unit , had its own motor and fuel , and required only a slight modification to the motorcycle in the form of a radio transmitter .
After that , it basically mimicked the motions of the " master " motorcycle .
Garage inventor gets on his bike , fires it up , and drives off .
Sure enough , the other device ( which I recall looking a lot like a large cooler on wheels ) fired up by itself and followed .
A few minutes later , the garage inventor loops back and drives by .
Getting cocky , he waves at the couple .
Unfortunately , he hits a rock and with only one hand on the handlebars , ca n't recover .
He loses control , and drives off the side of the cliff .
An unpleasant " crunch " is heard below .
Moments later , the motorized luggage holder comes along and dutifully throws itself off the cliff as well .
A second " crunch " is heard .
The couple look down at the carnage and then leave .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The scene: A road that was winding its way along a treacherous landscape (think Wile E. Coyote's home turf).
A generic couple were standing by the side of road, which was basically a piece of flat pavement cut into the side of a mountain.
They were watching a garage inventor/scientist type explain his latest invention, a motorized luggage carrier.
Sort of a motorcycle sidecar or luggage unit for people who didn't want to change the visual impact of their motorbike.
It was an independent unit, had its own motor and fuel, and required only a slight modification to the motorcycle in the form of a radio transmitter.
After that, it basically mimicked the motions of the "master" motorcycle.
Garage inventor gets on his bike, fires it up, and drives off.
Sure enough, the other device (which I recall looking a lot like a large cooler on wheels) fired up by itself and followed.
A few minutes later, the garage inventor loops back and drives by.
Getting cocky, he waves at the couple.
Unfortunately, he hits a rock and with only one hand on the handlebars, can't recover.
He loses control, and drives off the side of the cliff.
An unpleasant "crunch" is heard below.
Moments later, the motorized luggage holder comes along and dutifully throws itself off the cliff as well.
A second "crunch" is heard.
The couple look down at the carnage and then leave.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035684</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257793620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What you should do is create a dedicated lane that is controlled entirely by computer, and you program your exit/entry point at that time, and let the signal and control computers handle traffic management. If an unauthorized vehicle enters the lane, sensors will immediately detect it, alert nearby drivers (and disengage), and send the police to go catch captain speedy pants and send him to a pants-down facility. Computers also do a much better job of fuel consumption and control... I mean, it'd basically be a packet-switched network, but with cars instead of pieces of data. It's a relatively benign IT problem.</p></div><p>Yeah, but remember, packet collisions are an ingrained part of network management.  Makes the idea a BIT more scary<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What you should do is create a dedicated lane that is controlled entirely by computer , and you program your exit/entry point at that time , and let the signal and control computers handle traffic management .
If an unauthorized vehicle enters the lane , sensors will immediately detect it , alert nearby drivers ( and disengage ) , and send the police to go catch captain speedy pants and send him to a pants-down facility .
Computers also do a much better job of fuel consumption and control... I mean , it 'd basically be a packet-switched network , but with cars instead of pieces of data .
It 's a relatively benign IT problem.Yeah , but remember , packet collisions are an ingrained part of network management .
Makes the idea a BIT more scary : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you should do is create a dedicated lane that is controlled entirely by computer, and you program your exit/entry point at that time, and let the signal and control computers handle traffic management.
If an unauthorized vehicle enters the lane, sensors will immediately detect it, alert nearby drivers (and disengage), and send the police to go catch captain speedy pants and send him to a pants-down facility.
Computers also do a much better job of fuel consumption and control... I mean, it'd basically be a packet-switched network, but with cars instead of pieces of data.
It's a relatively benign IT problem.Yeah, but remember, packet collisions are an ingrained part of network management.
Makes the idea a BIT more scary :P
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037446</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>Capt.DrumkenBum</author>
	<datestamp>1257758100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I can tell you that the computer often knows about mechanical problems before the driver does.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Your car has a computer in it? Mine doesn't, unless you count my laptop sitting in the trunk.<br>
My previous car had computers to control everything. I hated it. It was impossible for me to fix if it broke, so I had to take it to a mechanic. Now my car (1989 Jeep Wrangler) has no computers, and I understand every single part of it, and can fix anything.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can tell you that the computer often knows about mechanical problems before the driver does .
Your car has a computer in it ?
Mine does n't , unless you count my laptop sitting in the trunk .
My previous car had computers to control everything .
I hated it .
It was impossible for me to fix if it broke , so I had to take it to a mechanic .
Now my car ( 1989 Jeep Wrangler ) has no computers , and I understand every single part of it , and can fix anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can tell you that the computer often knows about mechanical problems before the driver does.
Your car has a computer in it?
Mine doesn't, unless you count my laptop sitting in the trunk.
My previous car had computers to control everything.
I hated it.
It was impossible for me to fix if it broke, so I had to take it to a mechanic.
Now my car (1989 Jeep Wrangler) has no computers, and I understand every single part of it, and can fix anything.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037256</id>
	<title>Re:Merging and Curves</title>
	<author>woodsworth</author>
	<datestamp>1257757320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First of all, this is a <b>research</b> project, so it is supposed to have a couple of open questions left.<p>

And of course vehicles in the road train will have different speed and maneuver capabilities in principle. A general idea of having a road train is that every vehicle involved adapts to every other in the train. The professional driver in the lead determines speed (and will have to make sure that every vehicle can keep up). This will safe fuel, but might also increase road safety as there are less differences in individual speeds etc.</p><p>

In theory you could have the cars leave the train automatically near their exits (with some previous alarm sounds etc.), but this would require that these cars can sense whether neighboring lanes are safe to enter. </p><p>

Interesting questions abound here! Where do I join?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , this is a research project , so it is supposed to have a couple of open questions left .
And of course vehicles in the road train will have different speed and maneuver capabilities in principle .
A general idea of having a road train is that every vehicle involved adapts to every other in the train .
The professional driver in the lead determines speed ( and will have to make sure that every vehicle can keep up ) .
This will safe fuel , but might also increase road safety as there are less differences in individual speeds etc .
In theory you could have the cars leave the train automatically near their exits ( with some previous alarm sounds etc .
) , but this would require that these cars can sense whether neighboring lanes are safe to enter .
Interesting questions abound here !
Where do I join ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, this is a research project, so it is supposed to have a couple of open questions left.
And of course vehicles in the road train will have different speed and maneuver capabilities in principle.
A general idea of having a road train is that every vehicle involved adapts to every other in the train.
The professional driver in the lead determines speed (and will have to make sure that every vehicle can keep up).
This will safe fuel, but might also increase road safety as there are less differences in individual speeds etc.
In theory you could have the cars leave the train automatically near their exits (with some previous alarm sounds etc.
), but this would require that these cars can sense whether neighboring lanes are safe to enter.
Interesting questions abound here!
Where do I join?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036140</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035604</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1257793320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>(they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)</p></div></blockquote><p>This is not always the case.  In some cases, the reduction of the drag from turbulence off the rear means that the leading vehicle also gets a benefit, though not as much as the following ones.  This is true in stock car racing and in skating; I don't know about cycling.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( they forget to mention the * EXTRA * fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others.. ) This is not always the case .
In some cases , the reduction of the drag from turbulence off the rear means that the leading vehicle also gets a benefit , though not as much as the following ones .
This is true in stock car racing and in skating ; I do n't know about cycling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(they forget to mention the *EXTRA* fuel expense for the leading vehicle that is basically towing the others..)This is not always the case.
In some cases, the reduction of the drag from turbulence off the rear means that the leading vehicle also gets a benefit, though not as much as the following ones.
This is true in stock car racing and in skating; I don't know about cycling.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041574</id>
	<title>The early 60s called</title>
	<author>countertrolling</author>
	<datestamp>1257780240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're looking for that old film from one of the proving grounds. You know which one I mean.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're looking for that old film from one of the proving grounds .
You know which one I mean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're looking for that old film from one of the proving grounds.
You know which one I mean.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041068</id>
	<title>Re:road trains are stupid.</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1257775860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Having spoken to a commercial truck driver, I can tell you that the computer often knows about mechanical problems before the driver does, and their systems are pre-programmed to alert a dispatcher, who will send a rescue/repair vehicle out in situ.</p></div><p>You can get this today with <a href="http://www.onstar.com/us\_english/jsp/vehicle\_diagnostics/systems.jsp" title="onstar.com">OnStar</a> [onstar.com]. (Beware buying used; a lot of vehicles are about to drop off the map...) Information from the various onboard computers (including the one for yaw control, when equipped &mdash; scroll to the bottom) and of course the SRS (e.g. airbag) sensor is piped to a dispatcher. If your OnStar-equipped (and -subscribed) auto quits on the side of the road someplace with cellular coverage (heh heh) then someone will call <em>you</em> up and get you a tow truck or what have you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having spoken to a commercial truck driver , I can tell you that the computer often knows about mechanical problems before the driver does , and their systems are pre-programmed to alert a dispatcher , who will send a rescue/repair vehicle out in situ.You can get this today with OnStar [ onstar.com ] .
( Beware buying used ; a lot of vehicles are about to drop off the map... ) Information from the various onboard computers ( including the one for yaw control , when equipped    scroll to the bottom ) and of course the SRS ( e.g .
airbag ) sensor is piped to a dispatcher .
If your OnStar-equipped ( and -subscribed ) auto quits on the side of the road someplace with cellular coverage ( heh heh ) then someone will call you up and get you a tow truck or what have you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having spoken to a commercial truck driver, I can tell you that the computer often knows about mechanical problems before the driver does, and their systems are pre-programmed to alert a dispatcher, who will send a rescue/repair vehicle out in situ.You can get this today with OnStar [onstar.com].
(Beware buying used; a lot of vehicles are about to drop off the map...) Information from the various onboard computers (including the one for yaw control, when equipped — scroll to the bottom) and of course the SRS (e.g.
airbag) sensor is piped to a dispatcher.
If your OnStar-equipped (and -subscribed) auto quits on the side of the road someplace with cellular coverage (heh heh) then someone will call you up and get you a tow truck or what have you.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044546</id>
	<title>Re:What hath the free market wrought?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257862380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just like going together in a train, plane, etc. yeah ! And the rear seat on a motorbike is a clear evidence of socialism too.</p><p>Some people are just too funny...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just like going together in a train , plane , etc .
yeah !
And the rear seat on a motorbike is a clear evidence of socialism too.Some people are just too funny... ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just like going together in a train, plane, etc.
yeah !
And the rear seat on a motorbike is a clear evidence of socialism too.Some people are just too funny... ;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036972</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035628</id>
	<title>Re:Fuel economy ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257793440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or like carpooling here, we can just pay the lead driver some small stipend to make up for it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or like carpooling here , we can just pay the lead driver some small stipend to make up for it .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or like carpooling here, we can just pay the lead driver some small stipend to make up for it ...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036972</id>
	<title>Re:What hath the free market wrought?</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1257799140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It involves people joining together which is clearly socialist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It involves people joining together which is clearly socialist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It involves people joining together which is clearly socialist.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035922</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035512</id>
	<title>Funny coincidence</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1257792960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The plan is called "Sartre". My first reaction: What if there's No Exit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The plan is called " Sartre " .
My first reaction : What if there 's No Exit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The plan is called "Sartre".
My first reaction: What if there's No Exit?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_71</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036278
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_34</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035478
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036572
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_10</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035886
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037666
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_24</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035478
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035922
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039100
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_40</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035972
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_4</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036820
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_58</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036160
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_63</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036016
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039782
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_65</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035794
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_79</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036404
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_70</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035772
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_53</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035684
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037616
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_55</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035678
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038968
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_29</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037708
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_32</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035478
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041680
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_60</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30040278
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_23</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035604
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30045248
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_46</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036140
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037256
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_19</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036250
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_1</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035712
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039226
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_22</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037088
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_13</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035628
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_61</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036016
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039390
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044754
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_52</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035506
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035902
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_75</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035688
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038852
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_77</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30054388
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_80</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038982
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_51</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039522
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_82</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036400
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039190
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_45</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036016
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039390
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30042088
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_16</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035476
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036540
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_21</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036182
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044238
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_8</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035506
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036136
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_44</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035512
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036210
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_35</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035886
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036994
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_11</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037446
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_69</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035506
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036264
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_74</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036400
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041620
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_59</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035676
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_50</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036140
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044320
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_73</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035678
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038694
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_36</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035506
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036156
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_64</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035506
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035900
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_38</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037014
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_5</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037760
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30048366
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_41</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036140
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30045474
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_43</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036016
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041198
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_14</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035610
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_28</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036640
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044978
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_31</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035512
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036864
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_33</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035612
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_2</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035478
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038120
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_56</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037862
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_72</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036686
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038858
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_49</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039638
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_62</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036016
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30040110
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_25</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035478
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035922
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036972
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044546
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_48</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035840
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_3</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036016
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30042364
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_27</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035478
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30042834
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_30</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035564
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036218
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_26</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041312
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_17</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036134
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_20</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041068
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_78</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035550
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037532
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_0</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036006
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_54</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035650
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038288
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_68</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035624
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036652
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_9</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036016
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30040326
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_47</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036292
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_18</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038368
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_12</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035702
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037976
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_37</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035622
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_39</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035702
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037852
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_6</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038064
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_42</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035506
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037902
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_15</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035678
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035984
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_76</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035640
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_67</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037634
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_81</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035682
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044416
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_66</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035476
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036276
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044834
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_57</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039844
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_11_09_1651259_7</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035928
</commentlist>
</thread>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.17</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035688
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038852
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.11</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035494
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036820
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037088
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038982
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036292
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036640
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044978
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037014
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30054388
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039522
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039638
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036686
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038858
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.7</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035512
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036210
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036864
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.14</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036140
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037256
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044320
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30045474
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.5</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035506
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036264
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036136
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037902
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035902
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035900
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036156
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.12</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039332
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.15</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035624
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036652
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.9</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035496
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035682
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044416
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036134
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035622
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035612
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035772
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035610
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036006
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035604
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30045248
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037760
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30048366
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036160
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035650
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038288
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035628
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035972
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035928
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036250
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035640
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.13</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035564
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036218
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.6</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036016
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039782
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30040326
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039390
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30042088
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044754
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30040110
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041198
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30042364
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.4</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035712
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039226
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.3</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035678
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038694
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035984
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038968
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.1</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035556
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037446
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035676
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041068
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30040278
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038368
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036400
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041620
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039190
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037634
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039844
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036278
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035840
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035794
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036404
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037708
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038064
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035702
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037976
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037852
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037862
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036182
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044238
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035684
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037616
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041312
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.8</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035478
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30041680
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035922
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036972
---http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044546
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30039100
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30042834
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30038120
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036572
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.2</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035550
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037532
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.0</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035886
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30037666
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036994
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.16</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035484
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_11_09_1651259.10</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30035476
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036276
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30044834
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1651259.30036540
</commentlist>
</conversation>
