<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_09_1317223</id>
	<title>Vermont City Almost Encased In a 1-Mile Dome</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1257774300000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>destinyland writes <i>"A Vermont city <a href="http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/politics/doomed-dome-future-never-was">once proposed a one-mile dome over its 7,000 residents.</a> (They paid $4 million a year in heating bills, and HUD seriously considered funding their proposal.) The city's architectural concept included supporting the Dome with air pressure slightly above atmospheric pressure. (Buckminster Fuller warned their biggest challenge would be keeping it from floating away...) There would be no more heating bills,  fly-fishing all year, and no more snow shoveling. And to this day, the former city planner insists that 'Economically it's a slam dunk.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>destinyland writes " A Vermont city once proposed a one-mile dome over its 7,000 residents .
( They paid $ 4 million a year in heating bills , and HUD seriously considered funding their proposal .
) The city 's architectural concept included supporting the Dome with air pressure slightly above atmospheric pressure .
( Buckminster Fuller warned their biggest challenge would be keeping it from floating away... ) There would be no more heating bills , fly-fishing all year , and no more snow shoveling .
And to this day , the former city planner insists that 'Economically it 's a slam dunk .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>destinyland writes "A Vermont city once proposed a one-mile dome over its 7,000 residents.
(They paid $4 million a year in heating bills, and HUD seriously considered funding their proposal.
) The city's architectural concept included supporting the Dome with air pressure slightly above atmospheric pressure.
(Buckminster Fuller warned their biggest challenge would be keeping it from floating away...) There would be no more heating bills,  fly-fishing all year, and no more snow shoveling.
And to this day, the former city planner insists that 'Economically it's a slam dunk.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032114</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257779340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most likely they calculated how much heating would result from capturing 100\% of the light comming in. It would effectively be a giant green house, and it's very likely that the only heating related bills would be due to ventilation to cool to the desired temperature.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most likely they calculated how much heating would result from capturing 100 \ % of the light comming in .
It would effectively be a giant green house , and it 's very likely that the only heating related bills would be due to ventilation to cool to the desired temperature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most likely they calculated how much heating would result from capturing 100\% of the light comming in.
It would effectively be a giant green house, and it's very likely that the only heating related bills would be due to ventilation to cool to the desired temperature.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032978</id>
	<title>Sounds like a good idea...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257782940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Covering your city in domes sounds like a good idea, until everybody loses their memory and you get attacked by giant robots.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Covering your city in domes sounds like a good idea , until everybody loses their memory and you get attacked by giant robots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Covering your city in domes sounds like a good idea, until everybody loses their memory and you get attacked by giant robots.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032136</id>
	<title>Vermont isn't the coldest state</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257779460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in west central Minnesota, which is much colder than VT. In the winter here it is 90 Fahrenheit degrees co;der outside than it is inside.<br>and thats not counting the wind chill.<br>There are towns north of here that are even colder.</p><p>(north of the border the temperature difference is less because they have bigger degrees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in west central Minnesota , which is much colder than VT. In the winter here it is 90 Fahrenheit degrees co ; der outside than it is inside.and thats not counting the wind chill.There are towns north of here that are even colder .
( north of the border the temperature difference is less because they have bigger degrees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in west central Minnesota, which is much colder than VT. In the winter here it is 90 Fahrenheit degrees co;der outside than it is inside.and thats not counting the wind chill.There are towns north of here that are even colder.
(north of the border the temperature difference is less because they have bigger degrees.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034180</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257787800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"If the outside surface temperature never drops below freezing, due to above square-cube law... Also it seems no great challenge at all, to design buildings, even domes, that don't collapse under heavy snow loads."</p><p>Living in Canada, I <a href="http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20080104/BC\_Stadium\_080104?hub=BritishColumbiaSports" title="ctvbc.ctv.ca" rel="nofollow">know</a> [ctvbc.ctv.ca] this is <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/1999/01/18/stadium990118.html" title="www.cbc.ca" rel="nofollow">not</a> [www.cbc.ca] the <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2008/12/22/cgy-bubble-roof-soccer.html" title="www.cbc.ca" rel="nofollow">case</a> [www.cbc.ca].  It *shouldn't* be a great challenge, but apparently it is in practice when snowfall is heavy.  And these are much smaller domes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If the outside surface temperature never drops below freezing , due to above square-cube law... Also it seems no great challenge at all , to design buildings , even domes , that do n't collapse under heavy snow loads .
" Living in Canada , I know [ ctvbc.ctv.ca ] this is not [ www.cbc.ca ] the case [ www.cbc.ca ] .
It * should n't * be a great challenge , but apparently it is in practice when snowfall is heavy .
And these are much smaller domes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If the outside surface temperature never drops below freezing, due to above square-cube law... Also it seems no great challenge at all, to design buildings, even domes, that don't collapse under heavy snow loads.
"Living in Canada, I know [ctvbc.ctv.ca] this is not [www.cbc.ca] the case [www.cbc.ca].
It *shouldn't* be a great challenge, but apparently it is in practice when snowfall is heavy.
And these are much smaller domes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30031886</id>
	<title>david weber</title>
	<author>el\_tedward</author>
	<datestamp>1257778080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds to me like they're trying to protect themselves from extremely high amounts of heavy metals present in the environment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds to me like they 're trying to protect themselves from extremely high amounts of heavy metals present in the environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds to me like they're trying to protect themselves from extremely high amounts of heavy metals present in the environment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032104</id>
	<title>I almost poked a Playboy Playmate, too</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1257779340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I had <em>plans</em> to do so, isn't that the same thing as almost doing it? No?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I had plans to do so , is n't that the same thing as almost doing it ?
No ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I had plans to do so, isn't that the same thing as almost doing it?
No?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30031862</id>
	<title>Houston Has Similar Plans</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257777960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I saw a Discovery channel special on mega-engineering and the <a href="http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/mega-engineering/explore/houston-dome.html" title="discovery.com">plans to cover Houston with a dome</a> [discovery.com] were quite a shock to me (here's a <a href="http://www.greenpacks.org/2009/06/09/the-houston-dome-will-save-the-city-from-peril-may-help-environment/" title="greenpacks.org">brief non-flash writeup</a> [greenpacks.org]).  I'll bet you're wondering what those panels are made of:<p><div class="quote"><p>But the answer comes from German city of Bremen, from a company dubbed Vector Foil. Vector Foil manufactures an innovative strong, lightweight, transparent polymer known as ethylene tetra fluoro ethylene (ETFE). At just one percent of glass, ETFE is described as 99 percent nothing. And considering that it can withstand winds of 180 miles per hour, it could be the breakthrough for the Houston Dome.</p></div><p>I'm not a mechanical engineer nor did any of my college coursework overlap with that but my gut feeling was pure skepticism and doubt.  At least it's a long long way off if they follow through.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw a Discovery channel special on mega-engineering and the plans to cover Houston with a dome [ discovery.com ] were quite a shock to me ( here 's a brief non-flash writeup [ greenpacks.org ] ) .
I 'll bet you 're wondering what those panels are made of : But the answer comes from German city of Bremen , from a company dubbed Vector Foil .
Vector Foil manufactures an innovative strong , lightweight , transparent polymer known as ethylene tetra fluoro ethylene ( ETFE ) .
At just one percent of glass , ETFE is described as 99 percent nothing .
And considering that it can withstand winds of 180 miles per hour , it could be the breakthrough for the Houston Dome.I 'm not a mechanical engineer nor did any of my college coursework overlap with that but my gut feeling was pure skepticism and doubt .
At least it 's a long long way off if they follow through .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw a Discovery channel special on mega-engineering and the plans to cover Houston with a dome [discovery.com] were quite a shock to me (here's a brief non-flash writeup [greenpacks.org]).
I'll bet you're wondering what those panels are made of:But the answer comes from German city of Bremen, from a company dubbed Vector Foil.
Vector Foil manufactures an innovative strong, lightweight, transparent polymer known as ethylene tetra fluoro ethylene (ETFE).
At just one percent of glass, ETFE is described as 99 percent nothing.
And considering that it can withstand winds of 180 miles per hour, it could be the breakthrough for the Houston Dome.I'm not a mechanical engineer nor did any of my college coursework overlap with that but my gut feeling was pure skepticism and doubt.
At least it's a long long way off if they follow through.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033712</id>
	<title>Cheaper solution</title>
	<author>WormholeFiend</author>
	<datestamp>1257786000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just cover all the streets with linear roofs</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just cover all the streets with linear roofs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just cover all the streets with linear roofs</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033410</id>
	<title>missing facts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257784620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>And to this day, the former city planner insists that 'Economically it's a slam dunk.</i></p><p>But the article fails to mention that the former city planner is Pauly Shore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And to this day , the former city planner insists that 'Economically it 's a slam dunk.But the article fails to mention that the former city planner is Pauly Shore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And to this day, the former city planner insists that 'Economically it's a slam dunk.But the article fails to mention that the former city planner is Pauly Shore.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032126</id>
	<title>epa</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257779460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>EPA EPA EEPAAAAA!!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>EPA EPA EEPAAAAA ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EPA EPA EEPAAAAA!!!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034426</id>
	<title>I didn't know that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257788700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Vermont actually had a city.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Vermont actually had a city .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vermont actually had a city.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033236</id>
	<title>simpsons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257784020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>they did this in the Simpsons movie. This would be awesome. Not having to deal with weather. Although I live in southern california and weather is not really a problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they did this in the Simpsons movie .
This would be awesome .
Not having to deal with weather .
Although I live in southern california and weather is not really a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they did this in the Simpsons movie.
This would be awesome.
Not having to deal with weather.
Although I live in southern california and weather is not really a problem.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30035976</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Alastor187</author>
	<datestamp>1257794700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm sure there's actually probably a better substance than water for the purpose</p></div><p>No water is the probably the best solution.  As already mentioned it has excellent thermal properties, in particular a very high specific heat.  But also it is cheap and readily abundant, perfect for a home project.</p><p> I would suggest putting more effort into controlling the heat flow into and out of the water.  During the day try to maximize the solar heating of the water, so that you can get it to the highest temperature.  Maybe changing the color of the container so it absorbs more solar energy.  If you can lift the container move it to a place where it won't loose heat to the ground.</p><p> At night try insulating undesired heat paths.  For example, insulate the top of the container to prevent heat transfer back into the air.  While making sure you have good contact between the sides of the water container and the ground, any air gaps will create unwanted thermal resistance.  Or maybe you want that thermal resistance so that the heat is released at a slower rate, keeping things warm through the whole night.</p><p> I was just giving example, I am not 100\% sure I understand you setup.  But the basic idea should the same nonetheless.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure there 's actually probably a better substance than water for the purposeNo water is the probably the best solution .
As already mentioned it has excellent thermal properties , in particular a very high specific heat .
But also it is cheap and readily abundant , perfect for a home project .
I would suggest putting more effort into controlling the heat flow into and out of the water .
During the day try to maximize the solar heating of the water , so that you can get it to the highest temperature .
Maybe changing the color of the container so it absorbs more solar energy .
If you can lift the container move it to a place where it wo n't loose heat to the ground .
At night try insulating undesired heat paths .
For example , insulate the top of the container to prevent heat transfer back into the air .
While making sure you have good contact between the sides of the water container and the ground , any air gaps will create unwanted thermal resistance .
Or maybe you want that thermal resistance so that the heat is released at a slower rate , keeping things warm through the whole night .
I was just giving example , I am not 100 \ % sure I understand you setup .
But the basic idea should the same nonetheless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure there's actually probably a better substance than water for the purposeNo water is the probably the best solution.
As already mentioned it has excellent thermal properties, in particular a very high specific heat.
But also it is cheap and readily abundant, perfect for a home project.
I would suggest putting more effort into controlling the heat flow into and out of the water.
During the day try to maximize the solar heating of the water, so that you can get it to the highest temperature.
Maybe changing the color of the container so it absorbs more solar energy.
If you can lift the container move it to a place where it won't loose heat to the ground.
At night try insulating undesired heat paths.
For example, insulate the top of the container to prevent heat transfer back into the air.
While making sure you have good contact between the sides of the water container and the ground, any air gaps will create unwanted thermal resistance.
Or maybe you want that thermal resistance so that the heat is released at a slower rate, keeping things warm through the whole night.
I was just giving example, I am not 100\% sure I understand you setup.
But the basic idea should the same nonetheless.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30031928</id>
	<title>Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257778380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And how much will it cost when ALL their water needs for lawns and parks and such need to be piped in? Not to mention that many plants need some of the water to fall on the leaves not just the roots.</p><p>What about insects and pollinators? Birds that fly south?</p><p>This is not very well thought out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And how much will it cost when ALL their water needs for lawns and parks and such need to be piped in ?
Not to mention that many plants need some of the water to fall on the leaves not just the roots.What about insects and pollinators ?
Birds that fly south ? This is not very well thought out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how much will it cost when ALL their water needs for lawns and parks and such need to be piped in?
Not to mention that many plants need some of the water to fall on the leaves not just the roots.What about insects and pollinators?
Birds that fly south?This is not very well thought out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034730</id>
	<title>Re:Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>clone53421</author>
	<datestamp>1257789960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Nuke it from orbit , it 's the only way to be sure .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033428</id>
	<title>Thermostat fight</title>
	<author>RoccamOccam</author>
	<datestamp>1257784680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This would just lead to big arguments between the men and women of the town.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This would just lead to big arguments between the men and women of the town .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This would just lead to big arguments between the men and women of the town.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032480</id>
	<title>Re:Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257781080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>And how much will it cost...</i></p><p>Spending taxpayer money is the goal.</p><p><i>This is not very well thought out.</i></p><p>As long as a politician's pet project receives funding, <i>he wins</i>. There's a reason why every year government spends more than the year before, and it's not because "the people" approved the spending.</p><p>You're not in the business of government, are you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And how much will it cost...Spending taxpayer money is the goal.This is not very well thought out.As long as a politician 's pet project receives funding , he wins .
There 's a reason why every year government spends more than the year before , and it 's not because " the people " approved the spending.You 're not in the business of government , are you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how much will it cost...Spending taxpayer money is the goal.This is not very well thought out.As long as a politician's pet project receives funding, he wins.
There's a reason why every year government spends more than the year before, and it's not because "the people" approved the spending.You're not in the business of government, are you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30036508</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>tim447</author>
	<datestamp>1257797160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Vermont really does get a lot of summer.</p></div><p>Y'all clearly aren't from 'round these parts...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Vermont really does get a lot of summer.Y'all clearly are n't from 'round these parts.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vermont really does get a lot of summer.Y'all clearly aren't from 'round these parts...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032034</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30035316</id>
	<title>Future Cities, where is my jet pack?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257792240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Human\_Drift" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Human\_Drift</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The \ _Human \ _Drift [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Human\_Drift [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032494</id>
	<title>There are actually some serious issues with this.</title>
	<author>Giant Electronic Bra</author>
	<datestamp>1257781140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given that I actually live about 5 miles from where the whole Winooski Dome was planned to go this is all pretty well trodden territory here in this part of Vermont. The real killer problems are twofold. One is just that nobody has ever done it before and who wants to be first? In theory its a great idea, but its always the problem you didn't consider that bites you in the end. The second and more practical problem was always snow load. As anyone that has lived in Vermont can tell you, we get plenty of snow. Now pile it up a few feet deep on top of that dome, it adds up real fast. Nobody was ever sure exactly what would happen with all that snow or how long it would stay up there, etc. Roofs regularly collapse around here from snow load. You REALLY don't want to have that happen to your dome. That brings up what was the real final issue. What happens if something goes wrong? Its not just like you wasted a bunch of money. Having that dome come down on top of a whole town? That would be a big mess indeed...</p><p>Basically if the concept is ever going anywhere someone needs to build one way out in the middle of nowhere and figure out the basic problems first. Winooski residents wisely decided that being guinea pigs maybe isn't such a great idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that I actually live about 5 miles from where the whole Winooski Dome was planned to go this is all pretty well trodden territory here in this part of Vermont .
The real killer problems are twofold .
One is just that nobody has ever done it before and who wants to be first ?
In theory its a great idea , but its always the problem you did n't consider that bites you in the end .
The second and more practical problem was always snow load .
As anyone that has lived in Vermont can tell you , we get plenty of snow .
Now pile it up a few feet deep on top of that dome , it adds up real fast .
Nobody was ever sure exactly what would happen with all that snow or how long it would stay up there , etc .
Roofs regularly collapse around here from snow load .
You REALLY do n't want to have that happen to your dome .
That brings up what was the real final issue .
What happens if something goes wrong ?
Its not just like you wasted a bunch of money .
Having that dome come down on top of a whole town ?
That would be a big mess indeed...Basically if the concept is ever going anywhere someone needs to build one way out in the middle of nowhere and figure out the basic problems first .
Winooski residents wisely decided that being guinea pigs maybe is n't such a great idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that I actually live about 5 miles from where the whole Winooski Dome was planned to go this is all pretty well trodden territory here in this part of Vermont.
The real killer problems are twofold.
One is just that nobody has ever done it before and who wants to be first?
In theory its a great idea, but its always the problem you didn't consider that bites you in the end.
The second and more practical problem was always snow load.
As anyone that has lived in Vermont can tell you, we get plenty of snow.
Now pile it up a few feet deep on top of that dome, it adds up real fast.
Nobody was ever sure exactly what would happen with all that snow or how long it would stay up there, etc.
Roofs regularly collapse around here from snow load.
You REALLY don't want to have that happen to your dome.
That brings up what was the real final issue.
What happens if something goes wrong?
Its not just like you wasted a bunch of money.
Having that dome come down on top of a whole town?
That would be a big mess indeed...Basically if the concept is ever going anywhere someone needs to build one way out in the middle of nowhere and figure out the basic problems first.
Winooski residents wisely decided that being guinea pigs maybe isn't such a great idea.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033558</id>
	<title>This reminds me of...</title>
	<author>Tasha26</author>
	<datestamp>1257785220000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>If you live long enough you get to see lots of old scifi ideas come to life! This dome thing reminds me of that SimCity 2000 pc game. It was a brilliant and well thought out society/city planning/management game and one of the features you'd get in the advanced stages was the "Dome City," an all-encompassing living and breathing dome habitat. It makes perfect economic, environmental and health sense. It's a shame that it's come to that and on planet Earth!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you live long enough you get to see lots of old scifi ideas come to life !
This dome thing reminds me of that SimCity 2000 pc game .
It was a brilliant and well thought out society/city planning/management game and one of the features you 'd get in the advanced stages was the " Dome City , " an all-encompassing living and breathing dome habitat .
It makes perfect economic , environmental and health sense .
It 's a shame that it 's come to that and on planet Earth !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you live long enough you get to see lots of old scifi ideas come to life!
This dome thing reminds me of that SimCity 2000 pc game.
It was a brilliant and well thought out society/city planning/management game and one of the features you'd get in the advanced stages was the "Dome City," an all-encompassing living and breathing dome habitat.
It makes perfect economic, environmental and health sense.
It's a shame that it's come to that and on planet Earth!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033366</id>
	<title>Re:Generate Electricity</title>
	<author>arthurpaliden</author>
	<datestamp>1257784440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>You let the warm air and polluted air out the top through turbines that generate electricity.  One way valves at the base let fresh air in. This will work great in the summer as the air in the dome gets hotter more electricity is generated for air conditioning.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You let the warm air and polluted air out the top through turbines that generate electricity .
One way valves at the base let fresh air in .
This will work great in the summer as the air in the dome gets hotter more electricity is generated for air conditioning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You let the warm air and polluted air out the top through turbines that generate electricity.
One way valves at the base let fresh air in.
This will work great in the summer as the air in the dome gets hotter more electricity is generated for air conditioning.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032574</id>
	<title>Re:Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>chrysrobyn</author>
	<datestamp>1257781440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>And how much will it cost when ALL their water needs for lawns and parks and such need to be piped in? Not to mention that many plants need some of the water to fall on the leaves not just the roots.</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, this is a town of 7000 people in Vermont.  If they don't have their own wells, the central utility does.  Water is generally not a big deal there.  I imagine the people would start to need sprinklers.</p><blockquote><div><p>What about insects and pollinators? Birds that fly south?</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, the birds aren't going south very far, but there are probably going to be insects who live inside the dome.  There will probably be an equilibrium of insects who pollinate.</p><p>Air quality will probably be solved with some air exchangers.  Part of what makes this idea so interesting is learning how much air needs to be exchanged.  What kinds of air locks, if any, are necessary for people to come and go would be a very interesting problem.</p><p>As much of a tourist destination Vermont is for its small towns, fall foliage, cool summers and winter snow, there are probably a lot of Vermont residents who would love to spend a week somewhere they'd consider the weather sane -- and a dome just might provide that respite.  I think it would be a fantastic engineering and science learning experience to try it out.</p></div>
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<tokenext>And how much will it cost when ALL their water needs for lawns and parks and such need to be piped in ?
Not to mention that many plants need some of the water to fall on the leaves not just the roots.Well , this is a town of 7000 people in Vermont .
If they do n't have their own wells , the central utility does .
Water is generally not a big deal there .
I imagine the people would start to need sprinklers.What about insects and pollinators ?
Birds that fly south ? Well , the birds are n't going south very far , but there are probably going to be insects who live inside the dome .
There will probably be an equilibrium of insects who pollinate.Air quality will probably be solved with some air exchangers .
Part of what makes this idea so interesting is learning how much air needs to be exchanged .
What kinds of air locks , if any , are necessary for people to come and go would be a very interesting problem.As much of a tourist destination Vermont is for its small towns , fall foliage , cool summers and winter snow , there are probably a lot of Vermont residents who would love to spend a week somewhere they 'd consider the weather sane -- and a dome just might provide that respite .
I think it would be a fantastic engineering and science learning experience to try it out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how much will it cost when ALL their water needs for lawns and parks and such need to be piped in?
Not to mention that many plants need some of the water to fall on the leaves not just the roots.Well, this is a town of 7000 people in Vermont.
If they don't have their own wells, the central utility does.
Water is generally not a big deal there.
I imagine the people would start to need sprinklers.What about insects and pollinators?
Birds that fly south?Well, the birds aren't going south very far, but there are probably going to be insects who live inside the dome.
There will probably be an equilibrium of insects who pollinate.Air quality will probably be solved with some air exchangers.
Part of what makes this idea so interesting is learning how much air needs to be exchanged.
What kinds of air locks, if any, are necessary for people to come and go would be a very interesting problem.As much of a tourist destination Vermont is for its small towns, fall foliage, cool summers and winter snow, there are probably a lot of Vermont residents who would love to spend a week somewhere they'd consider the weather sane -- and a dome just might provide that respite.
I think it would be a fantastic engineering and science learning experience to try it out.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032894</id>
	<title>One word</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257782640000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Monorail!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Monorail !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Monorail!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032638</id>
	<title>Beacuse...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257781620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is that was caused by spider pig ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that was caused by spider pig ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that was caused by spider pig ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032102</id>
	<title>Re:Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>MrBulwark</author>
	<datestamp>1257779280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Remember, it is still raining, just above the dome.  It should be trivial to put collectors at teh base of the dome.  I would hazzard a guess that it would provide the city with more water than they have currently.
My concern would be the long-term durability of the "glass".  After 20 years, will it yellow?  Will it be so scratched up that everything outside will be a blur?  Who is going to climb up there and clean all the bird poop off of it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember , it is still raining , just above the dome .
It should be trivial to put collectors at teh base of the dome .
I would hazzard a guess that it would provide the city with more water than they have currently .
My concern would be the long-term durability of the " glass " .
After 20 years , will it yellow ?
Will it be so scratched up that everything outside will be a blur ?
Who is going to climb up there and clean all the bird poop off of it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember, it is still raining, just above the dome.
It should be trivial to put collectors at teh base of the dome.
I would hazzard a guess that it would provide the city with more water than they have currently.
My concern would be the long-term durability of the "glass".
After 20 years, will it yellow?
Will it be so scratched up that everything outside will be a blur?
Who is going to climb up there and clean all the bird poop off of it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033796</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>dargaud</author>
	<datestamp>1257786360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it sure beats having snow build up on your habidome until the whole mess comes crashing down.</p></div><p>My thoughts exactly. I was in Fort Collins a couple years back when it snowed 1.5m in one night. More than a hundred large buildings had the roofs cave in with the load. Now if it accumulates on a dome, imagine over a ton per square meter falling from the sky... Crunch goes the city !</p></div>
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<tokenext>it sure beats having snow build up on your habidome until the whole mess comes crashing down.My thoughts exactly .
I was in Fort Collins a couple years back when it snowed 1.5m in one night .
More than a hundred large buildings had the roofs cave in with the load .
Now if it accumulates on a dome , imagine over a ton per square meter falling from the sky... Crunch goes the city !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it sure beats having snow build up on your habidome until the whole mess comes crashing down.My thoughts exactly.
I was in Fort Collins a couple years back when it snowed 1.5m in one night.
More than a hundred large buildings had the roofs cave in with the load.
Now if it accumulates on a dome, imagine over a ton per square meter falling from the sky... Crunch goes the city !
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30038730</id>
	<title>Re:I love this idea, but it's STOOOOOOPID</title>
	<author>Alsee</author>
	<datestamp>1257763260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I certainly agree that it would be quite difficult to make it <i>cost effective</i>, however most of your comments are pretty far off base. It may be impractical, but it's not nearly as absurd as you indicate.</p><p> <i>One punk with a gun decides to piss on everybody's day.</i> </p><p>And no one cares.</p><p>You would probably have to put a few hundred thousand bullet holes before it became danger. A hundred thousand bullet holes works out to one hole per 270 square feet - about two-thousandth of one percent of the surface area. Or more significantly it works out to one bullet hole per fifty-five thousand cubic feet of air. Even if each bullet hole leaked ten cubic feet of low-pressure warm air per minute, it would take nearly four days for a hundred thousand bullet holes to leak the air inside. And that is neglecting the fact that the rising warm air escaping through the holes will likely be completely replaced by cool air drawn in at the bottom. If someone puts a hundred thousand bullet holes in it, you simply close normal exhaust vent at the top. And that's even without any active intake fans. If you do have some sort of emergency fan building on the perimeter you could keep it up long enough to make repairs even if there is a fairly catastrophic hole. Another important note is that holes near the bottom don't much matter - there is essentially zero pressure difference at ground level and air wouldn't bother "leaking" out the hole. The most significant place for holes would be at the top where the hot air balloon effect is pushing up on the top.</p><p> <i>The expenses of building such a thing would be astronomical.</i> </p><p>Expensive, yes. Astronomical? No...</p><p> <i>building an air-tight wall around the city</i> </p><p>You don't need an air tight wall. I don't know exactly what sort of perimeter that were planning, but to understand this sort of structure you need to understand that they could in fact build something like this with no wall at all. You could build something like this with an arbitrary hight open perimeter, with nothing more than occasional ropes tying the edges down. The plastic roof sheet would act like a hot air balloon, more than supporting its own weight. Running the roof sheet right down to the ground as a vertical wall would give you much more control of the inside conditions, but you are still going to need pretty big openings to let airflow in, and some pretty significant controllable vents to let hot air escape at the top.</p><p> <i>managing water</i> </p><p>The dome inherently functions as an enormous fresh water rain capture system for the covered area. It's conceivable the water issue might actually work out to be a small net positive compared to conventional municipal water systems.</p><p> <i>managing<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... waste and air control for an entire square mile contained environment would require exotic technologies</i> </p><p>We're not talking some sort of hermetically sealed biodome<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D<br>You would have stricter controls on fires and other gaseous emissions, but in general I don't see "waste" control being much different. Yes you'd have air control systems, but upening vents at the top to allow hot hair to naturally escape and opening essentially "giant windows" to let air flow in are hardly "exotic technologies".</p><p> <i>I've seen cities fly billions of dollars over budget trying to do relatively simple things like bury an ugly highway running through the city, or prepare to host the Olympic games.</i> </p><p>Yes, trying to <i>tunnel a highway under a city</i> is freaking expensive, and constructing a city's worth of complex Olympic facilities is expensive. However to oversimplify, we are basically talking about a huge but fairly simple sheet of plastic with probably kevlar ropes for tiedown and reinforcement. Yes yes, a simplification, but not grossly far off. Yes there's the water system - but that isn't very complex and it is offset by the fact that it supplements/replaces the old municipal system.</p><p>It's expensive, probably not cost effective, but not f</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I certainly agree that it would be quite difficult to make it cost effective , however most of your comments are pretty far off base .
It may be impractical , but it 's not nearly as absurd as you indicate .
One punk with a gun decides to piss on everybody 's day .
And no one cares.You would probably have to put a few hundred thousand bullet holes before it became danger .
A hundred thousand bullet holes works out to one hole per 270 square feet - about two-thousandth of one percent of the surface area .
Or more significantly it works out to one bullet hole per fifty-five thousand cubic feet of air .
Even if each bullet hole leaked ten cubic feet of low-pressure warm air per minute , it would take nearly four days for a hundred thousand bullet holes to leak the air inside .
And that is neglecting the fact that the rising warm air escaping through the holes will likely be completely replaced by cool air drawn in at the bottom .
If someone puts a hundred thousand bullet holes in it , you simply close normal exhaust vent at the top .
And that 's even without any active intake fans .
If you do have some sort of emergency fan building on the perimeter you could keep it up long enough to make repairs even if there is a fairly catastrophic hole .
Another important note is that holes near the bottom do n't much matter - there is essentially zero pressure difference at ground level and air would n't bother " leaking " out the hole .
The most significant place for holes would be at the top where the hot air balloon effect is pushing up on the top .
The expenses of building such a thing would be astronomical .
Expensive , yes .
Astronomical ? No... building an air-tight wall around the city You do n't need an air tight wall .
I do n't know exactly what sort of perimeter that were planning , but to understand this sort of structure you need to understand that they could in fact build something like this with no wall at all .
You could build something like this with an arbitrary hight open perimeter , with nothing more than occasional ropes tying the edges down .
The plastic roof sheet would act like a hot air balloon , more than supporting its own weight .
Running the roof sheet right down to the ground as a vertical wall would give you much more control of the inside conditions , but you are still going to need pretty big openings to let airflow in , and some pretty significant controllable vents to let hot air escape at the top .
managing water The dome inherently functions as an enormous fresh water rain capture system for the covered area .
It 's conceivable the water issue might actually work out to be a small net positive compared to conventional municipal water systems .
managing ... waste and air control for an entire square mile contained environment would require exotic technologies We 're not talking some sort of hermetically sealed biodome : DYou would have stricter controls on fires and other gaseous emissions , but in general I do n't see " waste " control being much different .
Yes you 'd have air control systems , but upening vents at the top to allow hot hair to naturally escape and opening essentially " giant windows " to let air flow in are hardly " exotic technologies " .
I 've seen cities fly billions of dollars over budget trying to do relatively simple things like bury an ugly highway running through the city , or prepare to host the Olympic games .
Yes , trying to tunnel a highway under a city is freaking expensive , and constructing a city 's worth of complex Olympic facilities is expensive .
However to oversimplify , we are basically talking about a huge but fairly simple sheet of plastic with probably kevlar ropes for tiedown and reinforcement .
Yes yes , a simplification , but not grossly far off .
Yes there 's the water system - but that is n't very complex and it is offset by the fact that it supplements/replaces the old municipal system.It 's expensive , probably not cost effective , but not f</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I certainly agree that it would be quite difficult to make it cost effective, however most of your comments are pretty far off base.
It may be impractical, but it's not nearly as absurd as you indicate.
One punk with a gun decides to piss on everybody's day.
And no one cares.You would probably have to put a few hundred thousand bullet holes before it became danger.
A hundred thousand bullet holes works out to one hole per 270 square feet - about two-thousandth of one percent of the surface area.
Or more significantly it works out to one bullet hole per fifty-five thousand cubic feet of air.
Even if each bullet hole leaked ten cubic feet of low-pressure warm air per minute, it would take nearly four days for a hundred thousand bullet holes to leak the air inside.
And that is neglecting the fact that the rising warm air escaping through the holes will likely be completely replaced by cool air drawn in at the bottom.
If someone puts a hundred thousand bullet holes in it, you simply close normal exhaust vent at the top.
And that's even without any active intake fans.
If you do have some sort of emergency fan building on the perimeter you could keep it up long enough to make repairs even if there is a fairly catastrophic hole.
Another important note is that holes near the bottom don't much matter - there is essentially zero pressure difference at ground level and air wouldn't bother "leaking" out the hole.
The most significant place for holes would be at the top where the hot air balloon effect is pushing up on the top.
The expenses of building such a thing would be astronomical.
Expensive, yes.
Astronomical? No... building an air-tight wall around the city You don't need an air tight wall.
I don't know exactly what sort of perimeter that were planning, but to understand this sort of structure you need to understand that they could in fact build something like this with no wall at all.
You could build something like this with an arbitrary hight open perimeter, with nothing more than occasional ropes tying the edges down.
The plastic roof sheet would act like a hot air balloon, more than supporting its own weight.
Running the roof sheet right down to the ground as a vertical wall would give you much more control of the inside conditions, but you are still going to need pretty big openings to let airflow in, and some pretty significant controllable vents to let hot air escape at the top.
managing water The dome inherently functions as an enormous fresh water rain capture system for the covered area.
It's conceivable the water issue might actually work out to be a small net positive compared to conventional municipal water systems.
managing ... waste and air control for an entire square mile contained environment would require exotic technologies We're not talking some sort of hermetically sealed biodome :DYou would have stricter controls on fires and other gaseous emissions, but in general I don't see "waste" control being much different.
Yes you'd have air control systems, but upening vents at the top to allow hot hair to naturally escape and opening essentially "giant windows" to let air flow in are hardly "exotic technologies".
I've seen cities fly billions of dollars over budget trying to do relatively simple things like bury an ugly highway running through the city, or prepare to host the Olympic games.
Yes, trying to tunnel a highway under a city is freaking expensive, and constructing a city's worth of complex Olympic facilities is expensive.
However to oversimplify, we are basically talking about a huge but fairly simple sheet of plastic with probably kevlar ropes for tiedown and reinforcement.
Yes yes, a simplification, but not grossly far off.
Yes there's the water system - but that isn't very complex and it is offset by the fact that it supplements/replaces the old municipal system.It's expensive, probably not cost effective, but not f</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1257784560000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>You forgot something. Most of that surface area for the buildings is insulated, so the resulting heat loss is lower.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot something .
Most of that surface area for the buildings is insulated , so the resulting heat loss is lower .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot something.
Most of that surface area for the buildings is insulated, so the resulting heat loss is lower.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30038140</id>
	<title>Re:Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1257760920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who is going to climb up there and clean all the bird poop off of it?</p></div><p>How about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike\_Rowe" title="wikipedia.org">Mike Rowe</a> [wikipedia.org] of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty\_Jobs" title="wikipedia.org">Dirty Jobs</a> [wikipedia.org] fame?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who is going to climb up there and clean all the bird poop off of it ? How about Mike Rowe [ wikipedia.org ] of Dirty Jobs [ wikipedia.org ] fame ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who is going to climb up there and clean all the bird poop off of it?How about Mike Rowe [wikipedia.org] of Dirty Jobs [wikipedia.org] fame?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30037026</id>
	<title>Re:Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257799380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Actually, they won't have more water.  The sky will probably still rain the same amount.  What they will have more of is directly accessible water.</p><p>Hey, if they are channeling all the water down over the dome anyway, perhaps they can use the flow of water to generate power too (when it rains).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , they wo n't have more water .
The sky will probably still rain the same amount .
What they will have more of is directly accessible water.Hey , if they are channeling all the water down over the dome anyway , perhaps they can use the flow of water to generate power too ( when it rains ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, they won't have more water.
The sky will probably still rain the same amount.
What they will have more of is directly accessible water.Hey, if they are channeling all the water down over the dome anyway, perhaps they can use the flow of water to generate power too (when it rains).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034966</id>
	<title>No more snow shovelling...</title>
	<author>ForAllTheFish</author>
	<datestamp>1257790920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... if they would just install a heated driveway.  Like on <a href="http://landscaping.about.com/cs/winterlandscaping/f/upfront\_cost.htm" title="about.com" rel="nofollow">http://landscaping.about.com/cs/winterlandscaping/f/upfront\_cost.htm</a> [about.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>... if they would just install a heated driveway .
Like on http : //landscaping.about.com/cs/winterlandscaping/f/upfront \ _cost.htm [ about.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... if they would just install a heated driveway.
Like on http://landscaping.about.com/cs/winterlandscaping/f/upfront\_cost.htm [about.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033952</id>
	<title>Re:I dunno, man. Snow is heavy</title>
	<author>Barumpus</author>
	<datestamp>1257786960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is not just the weight of the snow I would worry about. Most northern blizzards average around 20 - 30 inches of snow. Combine that with the high winds and barometric pressure drops. Now you are looking at the possibility of the snow fall coming to rest on 1 large part of the dome with a smaller part (possibly half? ) being left relatively clear. What are the chances that the internal pressure increase causes the dome to be "off balance" of sorts. Could you get a blow out on the side opposite the snow? Could the higher wind and weight combination cause a deformation of the dome?</p><p>Personally, I have seen snowfall over 50 inches in a single night. I would much prefer mother nature handle it then rely on some man made, air filled bubble over my head. Give it some sturdy supports and I might consider it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is not just the weight of the snow I would worry about .
Most northern blizzards average around 20 - 30 inches of snow .
Combine that with the high winds and barometric pressure drops .
Now you are looking at the possibility of the snow fall coming to rest on 1 large part of the dome with a smaller part ( possibly half ?
) being left relatively clear .
What are the chances that the internal pressure increase causes the dome to be " off balance " of sorts .
Could you get a blow out on the side opposite the snow ?
Could the higher wind and weight combination cause a deformation of the dome ? Personally , I have seen snowfall over 50 inches in a single night .
I would much prefer mother nature handle it then rely on some man made , air filled bubble over my head .
Give it some sturdy supports and I might consider it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is not just the weight of the snow I would worry about.
Most northern blizzards average around 20 - 30 inches of snow.
Combine that with the high winds and barometric pressure drops.
Now you are looking at the possibility of the snow fall coming to rest on 1 large part of the dome with a smaller part (possibly half?
) being left relatively clear.
What are the chances that the internal pressure increase causes the dome to be "off balance" of sorts.
Could you get a blow out on the side opposite the snow?
Could the higher wind and weight combination cause a deformation of the dome?Personally, I have seen snowfall over 50 inches in a single night.
I would much prefer mother nature handle it then rely on some man made, air filled bubble over my head.
Give it some sturdy supports and I might consider it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034264</id>
	<title>A dream college prank!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257788160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can just see it, late one night in the middle of winter before a snow storm comes through.  Pull the plugs on all of the generators keeping the pressure inside the dome.  In the morning, everyone wakes up, comes out their door and realizes that they are stuck under the "tarp" loaded with snow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can just see it , late one night in the middle of winter before a snow storm comes through .
Pull the plugs on all of the generators keeping the pressure inside the dome .
In the morning , everyone wakes up , comes out their door and realizes that they are stuck under the " tarp " loaded with snow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can just see it, late one night in the middle of winter before a snow storm comes through.
Pull the plugs on all of the generators keeping the pressure inside the dome.
In the morning, everyone wakes up, comes out their door and realizes that they are stuck under the "tarp" loaded with snow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30031892</id>
	<title>Exhaust?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257778140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What do they do about car exhaust?  And the other source of fumes - cooking, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What do they do about car exhaust ?
And the other source of fumes - cooking , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do they do about car exhaust?
And the other source of fumes - cooking, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032834</id>
	<title>I love this idea, but it's STOOOOOOPID</title>
	<author>Fantastic Lad</author>
	<datestamp>1257782340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>-One punk with a gun decides to piss on everybody's day.</p><p>-Even if you manage to deal with the weight of snow issue, how does everybody feel about living under artificial lighting for a couple of months each year?</p><p>-The expenses of building such a thing would be astronomical.  Before even taking into account the dome itself, just building an air-tight wall around the city would pose ridiculously complex (and expensive) engineering challenges.  Just managing water, waste and air control for an entire square mile contained environment would require exotic technologies, or billions of dollars worth of scaled up existing technologies.  I've seen cities fly billions of dollars over budget trying to do relatively simple things like bury an ugly highway running through the city, or prepare to host the Olympic games.  (Or *cough* build domed stadiums.)  And then you've got your yearly maintenance costs.  Parts wear out and you'd need a dedicated staff whose job it is to manage this thing.  I wonder if that would be comparable to a heating bill?</p><p>-And in the Summer time. . .  Well, guess what?  That nice greenhouse effect (if you solved the snow cover problem) which kept you warm all Winter doesn't go away.  How did the inventors plan on keeping all the residents from baking?</p><p>No doubt, it's a super-awesome idea and every single one of these problems could be cleverly solved and even turned to advantage with brilliant engineering.  But it wouldn't be cheap, and frankly, unless the exterior environment was downright toxic or otherwise horrible, it doesn't seem like a particularly necessary idea.  If all you're worried about is the cold, then that can be dealt with by spending a fraction of the same budget on the admittedly un-sexy idea of retrofitting buildings with improved insulation and more efficient heating solutions.</p><p>And don't forget. . .  With the state of corruption in the country, if the energy companies felt that a source of revenue was threatened, domed cities would be, if not outlawed, killed with red tape and bought-off votes.  You know it's true.</p><p>But I have to admit, the child sci-fi geek in me would certainly love to see at least one domed city of Utopian wonder constructed in my lifetime!</p><p>-FL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>-One punk with a gun decides to piss on everybody 's day.-Even if you manage to deal with the weight of snow issue , how does everybody feel about living under artificial lighting for a couple of months each year ? -The expenses of building such a thing would be astronomical .
Before even taking into account the dome itself , just building an air-tight wall around the city would pose ridiculously complex ( and expensive ) engineering challenges .
Just managing water , waste and air control for an entire square mile contained environment would require exotic technologies , or billions of dollars worth of scaled up existing technologies .
I 've seen cities fly billions of dollars over budget trying to do relatively simple things like bury an ugly highway running through the city , or prepare to host the Olympic games .
( Or * cough * build domed stadiums .
) And then you 've got your yearly maintenance costs .
Parts wear out and you 'd need a dedicated staff whose job it is to manage this thing .
I wonder if that would be comparable to a heating bill ? -And in the Summer time .
. .
Well , guess what ?
That nice greenhouse effect ( if you solved the snow cover problem ) which kept you warm all Winter does n't go away .
How did the inventors plan on keeping all the residents from baking ? No doubt , it 's a super-awesome idea and every single one of these problems could be cleverly solved and even turned to advantage with brilliant engineering .
But it would n't be cheap , and frankly , unless the exterior environment was downright toxic or otherwise horrible , it does n't seem like a particularly necessary idea .
If all you 're worried about is the cold , then that can be dealt with by spending a fraction of the same budget on the admittedly un-sexy idea of retrofitting buildings with improved insulation and more efficient heating solutions.And do n't forget .
. .
With the state of corruption in the country , if the energy companies felt that a source of revenue was threatened , domed cities would be , if not outlawed , killed with red tape and bought-off votes .
You know it 's true.But I have to admit , the child sci-fi geek in me would certainly love to see at least one domed city of Utopian wonder constructed in my lifetime ! -FL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-One punk with a gun decides to piss on everybody's day.-Even if you manage to deal with the weight of snow issue, how does everybody feel about living under artificial lighting for a couple of months each year?-The expenses of building such a thing would be astronomical.
Before even taking into account the dome itself, just building an air-tight wall around the city would pose ridiculously complex (and expensive) engineering challenges.
Just managing water, waste and air control for an entire square mile contained environment would require exotic technologies, or billions of dollars worth of scaled up existing technologies.
I've seen cities fly billions of dollars over budget trying to do relatively simple things like bury an ugly highway running through the city, or prepare to host the Olympic games.
(Or *cough* build domed stadiums.
)  And then you've got your yearly maintenance costs.
Parts wear out and you'd need a dedicated staff whose job it is to manage this thing.
I wonder if that would be comparable to a heating bill?-And in the Summer time.
. .
Well, guess what?
That nice greenhouse effect (if you solved the snow cover problem) which kept you warm all Winter doesn't go away.
How did the inventors plan on keeping all the residents from baking?No doubt, it's a super-awesome idea and every single one of these problems could be cleverly solved and even turned to advantage with brilliant engineering.
But it wouldn't be cheap, and frankly, unless the exterior environment was downright toxic or otherwise horrible, it doesn't seem like a particularly necessary idea.
If all you're worried about is the cold, then that can be dealt with by spending a fraction of the same budget on the admittedly un-sexy idea of retrofitting buildings with improved insulation and more efficient heating solutions.And don't forget.
. .
With the state of corruption in the country, if the energy companies felt that a source of revenue was threatened, domed cities would be, if not outlawed, killed with red tape and bought-off votes.
You know it's true.But I have to admit, the child sci-fi geek in me would certainly love to see at least one domed city of Utopian wonder constructed in my lifetime!-FL</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032324</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257780360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually the dome would have less surface area than the town. Take all the surface area of all the buildings and add it up. You will find that at makes a pretty good heat exchanger compared to a nice smooth dome.<br>Rain water? What a great resource. You would catch it falling all the dome and and use it. I could even be used for the drinking water. Same for the snow melt from the dome. If nothing else it could be used for irrigation.<br>Air Quality? Yes you would should ban cars from inside the city as well as fire places. You might not need to but it would probably be for the best if you did. For the dome to work you would want to have some pretty powerful air blowers to keep it pumped up. That should provide enough airflow for the air quality to be as good as a none domed town. Us air to air heat exchangers to allow for even more air flow when needed.</p><p>The one huge danger I see is fire. What is a building catches on fire? Is the dome fire proof? That risk could be reduced but if you are doing to dome an existing town you would have a lot of older buildings that may not be as fire safe as you would like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually the dome would have less surface area than the town .
Take all the surface area of all the buildings and add it up .
You will find that at makes a pretty good heat exchanger compared to a nice smooth dome.Rain water ?
What a great resource .
You would catch it falling all the dome and and use it .
I could even be used for the drinking water .
Same for the snow melt from the dome .
If nothing else it could be used for irrigation.Air Quality ?
Yes you would should ban cars from inside the city as well as fire places .
You might not need to but it would probably be for the best if you did .
For the dome to work you would want to have some pretty powerful air blowers to keep it pumped up .
That should provide enough airflow for the air quality to be as good as a none domed town .
Us air to air heat exchangers to allow for even more air flow when needed.The one huge danger I see is fire .
What is a building catches on fire ?
Is the dome fire proof ?
That risk could be reduced but if you are doing to dome an existing town you would have a lot of older buildings that may not be as fire safe as you would like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually the dome would have less surface area than the town.
Take all the surface area of all the buildings and add it up.
You will find that at makes a pretty good heat exchanger compared to a nice smooth dome.Rain water?
What a great resource.
You would catch it falling all the dome and and use it.
I could even be used for the drinking water.
Same for the snow melt from the dome.
If nothing else it could be used for irrigation.Air Quality?
Yes you would should ban cars from inside the city as well as fire places.
You might not need to but it would probably be for the best if you did.
For the dome to work you would want to have some pretty powerful air blowers to keep it pumped up.
That should provide enough airflow for the air quality to be as good as a none domed town.
Us air to air heat exchangers to allow for even more air flow when needed.The one huge danger I see is fire.
What is a building catches on fire?
Is the dome fire proof?
That risk could be reduced but if you are doing to dome an existing town you would have a lot of older buildings that may not be as fire safe as you would like.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033650</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>icepick72</author>
	<datestamp>1257785580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's easy to speculate "<em>it seems no great challenge at all, to design buildings, even domes, that don't collapse under heavy snow loads</em>" but in practicality just Google the news for  a quick start<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...

<a href="http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&amp;um=1&amp;cf=all&amp;ned=ca&amp;hl=en&amp;q=\%22heavy\%20snow\%22\%20collapse" title="google.com">http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&amp;um=1&amp;cf=all&amp;ned=ca&amp;hl=en&amp;q=\%22heavy\%20snow\%22\%20collapse</a> [google.com]

And remember the proposed dome will potentially have a very large surface area. The notion of collapse shouldn't be quickly discarded. It's a problem from many aspects.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's easy to speculate " it seems no great challenge at all , to design buildings , even domes , that do n't collapse under heavy snow loads " but in practicality just Google the news for a quick start .. . http : //news.google.com/news/search ? aq = f&amp;um = 1&amp;cf = all&amp;ned = ca&amp;hl = en&amp;q = \ % 22heavy \ % 20snow \ % 22 \ % 20collapse [ google.com ] And remember the proposed dome will potentially have a very large surface area .
The notion of collapse should n't be quickly discarded .
It 's a problem from many aspects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's easy to speculate "it seems no great challenge at all, to design buildings, even domes, that don't collapse under heavy snow loads" but in practicality just Google the news for  a quick start ...

http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&amp;um=1&amp;cf=all&amp;ned=ca&amp;hl=en&amp;q=\%22heavy\%20snow\%22\%20collapse [google.com]

And remember the proposed dome will potentially have a very large surface area.
The notion of collapse shouldn't be quickly discarded.
It's a problem from many aspects.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30031882</id>
	<title>So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257778020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not sure that going from heating a few thousand little boxes to heating one giant dome really qualifies as "no heating bills". Similarly, while shoveling snow off your driveway kind of sucks, it sure beats having snow build up on your habidome until the whole mess comes crashing down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure that going from heating a few thousand little boxes to heating one giant dome really qualifies as " no heating bills " .
Similarly , while shoveling snow off your driveway kind of sucks , it sure beats having snow build up on your habidome until the whole mess comes crashing down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure that going from heating a few thousand little boxes to heating one giant dome really qualifies as "no heating bills".
Similarly, while shoveling snow off your driveway kind of sucks, it sure beats having snow build up on your habidome until the whole mess comes crashing down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032100</id>
	<title>Re:No rain</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1257779280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Absent the proper climate controls, under the right conditions: it can rain <b>inside</b> a huge dome like that,  as water vapor collects near the roof.
</p><p>
It'd be nasty rain though, polluted no doubt.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Absent the proper climate controls , under the right conditions : it can rain inside a huge dome like that , as water vapor collects near the roof .
It 'd be nasty rain though , polluted no doubt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Absent the proper climate controls, under the right conditions: it can rain inside a huge dome like that,  as water vapor collects near the roof.
It'd be nasty rain though, polluted no doubt.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034446</id>
	<title>Stimulus</title>
	<author>rlp</author>
	<datestamp>1257788760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like a wildly expensive boondoggle.  I'm surprised they didn't get stimulus funds for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a wildly expensive boondoggle .
I 'm surprised they did n't get stimulus funds for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a wildly expensive boondoggle.
I'm surprised they didn't get stimulus funds for it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30038378</id>
	<title>Re:Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>pcraven</author>
	<datestamp>1257761880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First big hail storm will take care of the yellow glass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First big hail storm will take care of the yellow glass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First big hail storm will take care of the yellow glass.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033892</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>cylcyl</author>
	<datestamp>1257786720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I must have taken a dumb pill this morning. I don't see how the square cube wiki article applies to the heating issues? Are you agreeing with GP that the heating bill will be worse or somehow will be lower heating bill? All the wiki seems to say is that there is more volume to heat, so there would be higher heating bills like GP was suggesting. Did I miss something?</p><p>Also, why would outside surface temp not drop below freezing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I must have taken a dumb pill this morning .
I do n't see how the square cube wiki article applies to the heating issues ?
Are you agreeing with GP that the heating bill will be worse or somehow will be lower heating bill ?
All the wiki seems to say is that there is more volume to heat , so there would be higher heating bills like GP was suggesting .
Did I miss something ? Also , why would outside surface temp not drop below freezing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I must have taken a dumb pill this morning.
I don't see how the square cube wiki article applies to the heating issues?
Are you agreeing with GP that the heating bill will be worse or somehow will be lower heating bill?
All the wiki seems to say is that there is more volume to heat, so there would be higher heating bills like GP was suggesting.
Did I miss something?Also, why would outside surface temp not drop below freezing?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30043422</id>
	<title>why not centralized heating?</title>
	<author>mnbjhguyt</author>
	<datestamp>1257847560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if the heating bill is the problem, why not centralize it?</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District\_heating" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District\_heating</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>I live in a 200k people town in italy.<br>we have a power plant close to the town center.<br>we have built pipes under most of the central part of town<br>hot water coming out of the plant as a byproduct get<br>piped to the individual homes and is used for heating during the winter.<br>the bill for the people is cheaper and it seem to work quite well.</p><p>the only problem is what gets burned in the plant, but that is a typical italian political problem that would probably not exist in other parts of the world</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if the heating bill is the problem , why not centralize it ? http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District \ _heating [ wikipedia.org ] I live in a 200k people town in italy.we have a power plant close to the town center.we have built pipes under most of the central part of townhot water coming out of the plant as a byproduct getpiped to the individual homes and is used for heating during the winter.the bill for the people is cheaper and it seem to work quite well.the only problem is what gets burned in the plant , but that is a typical italian political problem that would probably not exist in other parts of the world</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if the heating bill is the problem, why not centralize it?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District\_heating [wikipedia.org]I live in a 200k people town in italy.we have a power plant close to the town center.we have built pipes under most of the central part of townhot water coming out of the plant as a byproduct getpiped to the individual homes and is used for heating during the winter.the bill for the people is cheaper and it seem to work quite well.the only problem is what gets burned in the plant, but that is a typical italian political problem that would probably not exist in other parts of the world</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033916</id>
	<title>Regarding domes</title>
	<author>foniksonik</author>
	<datestamp>1257786840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in southern California and we have these really long freeways. I would love to see a dome placed over them - well more like a tunnel... I'd like it to be composed of low cost, low efficiency solar panels (being budget minded), have air scrubbers / exhaust vents and fans for each mile with an air intake system at the level of the roadway itself bringing fresh air from outside in.</p><p>The purpose is a combination of:</p><p>1) improved driving conditions - ie: less environmental wear on the surface</p><p>2) less exhaust pollution in the air via the scrubbers - at the source of a major contributing factor</p><p>3) self-sustaining energy use - the solar panels on top would for the most part provide enough power to light the tunnel at night and run the air systems. Any surplus would be a bonus (as solar panels get cheaper this could become significant) and could be used to offset the cost of the construction and future maintenance.</p><p>4) reduce noise pollution in surrounding areas immensely</p><p>All of this without disturbing any new environments or taking up additional valuable land.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in southern California and we have these really long freeways .
I would love to see a dome placed over them - well more like a tunnel... I 'd like it to be composed of low cost , low efficiency solar panels ( being budget minded ) , have air scrubbers / exhaust vents and fans for each mile with an air intake system at the level of the roadway itself bringing fresh air from outside in.The purpose is a combination of : 1 ) improved driving conditions - ie : less environmental wear on the surface2 ) less exhaust pollution in the air via the scrubbers - at the source of a major contributing factor3 ) self-sustaining energy use - the solar panels on top would for the most part provide enough power to light the tunnel at night and run the air systems .
Any surplus would be a bonus ( as solar panels get cheaper this could become significant ) and could be used to offset the cost of the construction and future maintenance.4 ) reduce noise pollution in surrounding areas immenselyAll of this without disturbing any new environments or taking up additional valuable land .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in southern California and we have these really long freeways.
I would love to see a dome placed over them - well more like a tunnel... I'd like it to be composed of low cost, low efficiency solar panels (being budget minded), have air scrubbers / exhaust vents and fans for each mile with an air intake system at the level of the roadway itself bringing fresh air from outside in.The purpose is a combination of:1) improved driving conditions - ie: less environmental wear on the surface2) less exhaust pollution in the air via the scrubbers - at the source of a major contributing factor3) self-sustaining energy use - the solar panels on top would for the most part provide enough power to light the tunnel at night and run the air systems.
Any surplus would be a bonus (as solar panels get cheaper this could become significant) and could be used to offset the cost of the construction and future maintenance.4) reduce noise pollution in surrounding areas immenselyAll of this without disturbing any new environments or taking up additional valuable land.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30035240</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257791940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If there's a fire, just temporarily suck out all the air out of the dome... Problem solved!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If there 's a fire , just temporarily suck out all the air out of the dome... Problem solved !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there's a fire, just temporarily suck out all the air out of the dome... Problem solved!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032324</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30031976</id>
	<title>Shouldn't this be Springfield, Vermont?</title>
	<author>mykepredko</author>
	<datestamp>1257778620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The could have had the dome in place for the <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/2007-07-21-simpsons\_N.htm" title="usatoday.com">premier</a> [usatoday.com].</p><p>I almost feel like someone's pulling our leg here.</p><p>myke</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The could have had the dome in place for the premier [ usatoday.com ] .I almost feel like someone 's pulling our leg here.myke</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The could have had the dome in place for the premier [usatoday.com].I almost feel like someone's pulling our leg here.myke</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032688</id>
	<title>obligQuote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257781800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dome sweet dome...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dome sweet dome.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dome sweet dome...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30038644</id>
	<title>Actually, we have done this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257762900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Read up on Biosphere 2. And a lot did go wrong - the thing was designed to have several different ecosystems within it, and as time went by, they became pretty seriously deranged, with many of the higher animal species dying out. Also, there were massive fluctuations in CO2/O2 levels in the atmosphere, some driven by daily cycles - during the day, the plants sucked up too much CO2, and at night, the animals breathed out too much CO2 - and some by other things. They ended up having to import atmosphere from outside. They were also only able to achieve a starvation diet from cultivating stuff within the dome - without some stored food, they occupants would have starved (or had to leave). In practice, they lost significant weight.</p><p>So, yes, I'm definitely in agreement that we would have to figure this kind of thing out before trying any space colonies, borrowing some outside atmosphere is not going to be an option on Mars. But all that said, I doubt this is really a practical solution to any real world problem on earth, so I'd be pretty surprised if the Vermont town actually did this. Also: who the hell wants to live their whole life inside a dome? I want to be able to go outside and have it be, you know, outside.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Read up on Biosphere 2 .
And a lot did go wrong - the thing was designed to have several different ecosystems within it , and as time went by , they became pretty seriously deranged , with many of the higher animal species dying out .
Also , there were massive fluctuations in CO2/O2 levels in the atmosphere , some driven by daily cycles - during the day , the plants sucked up too much CO2 , and at night , the animals breathed out too much CO2 - and some by other things .
They ended up having to import atmosphere from outside .
They were also only able to achieve a starvation diet from cultivating stuff within the dome - without some stored food , they occupants would have starved ( or had to leave ) .
In practice , they lost significant weight.So , yes , I 'm definitely in agreement that we would have to figure this kind of thing out before trying any space colonies , borrowing some outside atmosphere is not going to be an option on Mars .
But all that said , I doubt this is really a practical solution to any real world problem on earth , so I 'd be pretty surprised if the Vermont town actually did this .
Also : who the hell wants to live their whole life inside a dome ?
I want to be able to go outside and have it be , you know , outside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Read up on Biosphere 2.
And a lot did go wrong - the thing was designed to have several different ecosystems within it, and as time went by, they became pretty seriously deranged, with many of the higher animal species dying out.
Also, there were massive fluctuations in CO2/O2 levels in the atmosphere, some driven by daily cycles - during the day, the plants sucked up too much CO2, and at night, the animals breathed out too much CO2 - and some by other things.
They ended up having to import atmosphere from outside.
They were also only able to achieve a starvation diet from cultivating stuff within the dome - without some stored food, they occupants would have starved (or had to leave).
In practice, they lost significant weight.So, yes, I'm definitely in agreement that we would have to figure this kind of thing out before trying any space colonies, borrowing some outside atmosphere is not going to be an option on Mars.
But all that said, I doubt this is really a practical solution to any real world problem on earth, so I'd be pretty surprised if the Vermont town actually did this.
Also: who the hell wants to live their whole life inside a dome?
I want to be able to go outside and have it be, you know, outside.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032202</id>
	<title>Re:I dunno, man. Snow is heavy</title>
	<author>DocMAME</author>
	<datestamp>1257779760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The warm air should melt the snow as it touchs the dome, but this could leave some serious flooding or glaciers at the base of the dome...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The warm air should melt the snow as it touchs the dome , but this could leave some serious flooding or glaciers at the base of the dome.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The warm air should melt the snow as it touchs the dome, but this could leave some serious flooding or glaciers at the base of the dome...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032022</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032902</id>
	<title>Nothing new here...</title>
	<author>ctrl-alt-canc</author>
	<datestamp>1257782640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maxwell Smart used <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cone\_of\_Silence" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">something similar</a> [wikipedia.org] to the dome described in TFA almost half a century ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maxwell Smart used something similar [ wikipedia.org ] to the dome described in TFA almost half a century ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maxwell Smart used something similar [wikipedia.org] to the dome described in TFA almost half a century ago.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30031960</id>
	<title>Reality copies the Simpsons (Movie)</title>
	<author>jedrek</author>
	<datestamp>1257778500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From what I remember, this idea didn't go over too well in Springfield...</p><p>Seriously though, this sounds like a great setup for a huge disaster. Can you imagine a dome like this falling?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I remember , this idea did n't go over too well in Springfield...Seriously though , this sounds like a great setup for a huge disaster .
Can you imagine a dome like this falling ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I remember, this idea didn't go over too well in Springfield...Seriously though, this sounds like a great setup for a huge disaster.
Can you imagine a dome like this falling?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034358</id>
	<title>Re:Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>cyberworm</author>
	<datestamp>1257788460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This was my thought as well.  How do you keep a dome like this clean so that it is still efficiently allowing light through?  Not just on the outside, but on the inside as well?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This was my thought as well .
How do you keep a dome like this clean so that it is still efficiently allowing light through ?
Not just on the outside , but on the inside as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was my thought as well.
How do you keep a dome like this clean so that it is still efficiently allowing light through?
Not just on the outside, but on the inside as well?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033696</id>
	<title>No snow removal, eh?</title>
	<author>SirGarlon</author>
	<datestamp>1257785880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So they say they'll save money on snow removal... *inside* the dome, sure.  But what about the first big snowstorm that dumps a foot of snow *on top of* the dome?  It will crush flat.  Bad news for anyone who's inside.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So they say they 'll save money on snow removal... * inside * the dome , sure .
But what about the first big snowstorm that dumps a foot of snow * on top of * the dome ?
It will crush flat .
Bad news for anyone who 's inside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they say they'll save money on snow removal... *inside* the dome, sure.
But what about the first big snowstorm that dumps a foot of snow *on top of* the dome?
It will crush flat.
Bad news for anyone who's inside.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033574</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257785280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...I suspect really terrible AC costs in the summer (greenhouse effect!); Vermont really does get a lot of summer.</p></div><p>Simple - Convertible top!  Jeesh, do I have to do all the thinking around here?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...I suspect really terrible AC costs in the summer ( greenhouse effect !
) ; Vermont really does get a lot of summer.Simple - Convertible top !
Jeesh , do I have to do all the thinking around here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...I suspect really terrible AC costs in the summer (greenhouse effect!
); Vermont really does get a lot of summer.Simple - Convertible top!
Jeesh, do I have to do all the thinking around here?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032034</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033168</id>
	<title>I don't do windows</title>
	<author>KiwiCanuck</author>
	<datestamp>1257783720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who is going to keep the panels clean? Who is going to monitor O2 &amp; CO2 levels? How much damage would a falling panel do? How many people could it kill? Just a few questions since no on can read TFA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who is going to keep the panels clean ?
Who is going to monitor O2 &amp; CO2 levels ?
How much damage would a falling panel do ?
How many people could it kill ?
Just a few questions since no on can read TFA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who is going to keep the panels clean?
Who is going to monitor O2 &amp; CO2 levels?
How much damage would a falling panel do?
How many people could it kill?
Just a few questions since no on can read TFA.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032522</id>
	<title>Alternative</title>
	<author>codepunk</author>
	<datestamp>1257781260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would be much cheaper to just move everyone south.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be much cheaper to just move everyone south .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be much cheaper to just move everyone south.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032178</id>
	<title>Lessons From Biosphere II</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257779700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this is one of those things that look good on paper, but...</p><p>There are so many ways this could go wrong. It might be a way to breed viruses into an entire city, or keep carcinogens trapped for all to breathe. The<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere\_2" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow"> Biosphere II </a> [wikipedia.org] was a fairly disastrous small scale experiment along these lines.  Just imagine having an "oops" moment for a city of 5.7 million.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is one of those things that look good on paper , but...There are so many ways this could go wrong .
It might be a way to breed viruses into an entire city , or keep carcinogens trapped for all to breathe .
The Biosphere II [ wikipedia.org ] was a fairly disastrous small scale experiment along these lines .
Just imagine having an " oops " moment for a city of 5.7 million .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is one of those things that look good on paper, but...There are so many ways this could go wrong.
It might be a way to breed viruses into an entire city, or keep carcinogens trapped for all to breathe.
The Biosphere II  [wikipedia.org] was a fairly disastrous small scale experiment along these lines.
Just imagine having an "oops" moment for a city of 5.7 million.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032014</id>
	<title>You obviously haven't been to Winooski</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257778860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This town is a dump. Putting it under a dome would be the equivalent of showcasing a field of horse shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This town is a dump .
Putting it under a dome would be the equivalent of showcasing a field of horse shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This town is a dump.
Putting it under a dome would be the equivalent of showcasing a field of horse shit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30031950</id>
	<title>what about high winds?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257778440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what about high winds?</p><p>-paul</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what about high winds ? -paul</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what about high winds?-paul</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30041922</id>
	<title>Re:There are actually some serious issues with thi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257783840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I don't know; that whole rotary thing was quite of a big mess too!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>      I do n't know ; that whole rotary thing was quite of a big mess too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
      I don't know; that whole rotary thing was quite of a big mess too!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30031890</id>
	<title>Stephen King</title>
	<author>Doches</author>
	<datestamp>1257778140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They'd better wait and read Stephen King's Under the Dome first...</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'd better wait and read Stephen King 's Under the Dome first.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'd better wait and read Stephen King's Under the Dome first...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032594</id>
	<title>It's a shame they didn't go for it.</title>
	<author>LaminatorX</author>
	<datestamp>1257781500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even if it failed, we'd have gained a whole lot of practical know-how about undertaking a project like that.  Even if it ended up way over-budget and required tons of maintenance and so-on, I'd bet that the tourism revenues would have offset that in time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if it failed , we 'd have gained a whole lot of practical know-how about undertaking a project like that .
Even if it ended up way over-budget and required tons of maintenance and so-on , I 'd bet that the tourism revenues would have offset that in time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if it failed, we'd have gained a whole lot of practical know-how about undertaking a project like that.
Even if it ended up way over-budget and required tons of maintenance and so-on, I'd bet that the tourism revenues would have offset that in time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034162</id>
	<title>There was a sequel?</title>
	<author>BancBoy</author>
	<datestamp>1257787680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am a huge Paulie Shore fan! How did I miss this?!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a huge Paulie Shore fan !
How did I miss this ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a huge Paulie Shore fan!
How did I miss this?
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032178</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034252</id>
	<title>Snow on a dome?</title>
	<author>flogger</author>
	<datestamp>1257788100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I tried reading the article, but the place is apparently slashdotted. What I first thought of is not carbon emissions, or air circulation, but snow.

When I shovel snow A scoop weighs around 10 pounds (4.5 Kilograms). Spread that over a mile dome. A foot of snow would be around 27.9 million cubic feet of snow on top of that dome. Now we are looking at 280 million pounds (126 million Kilograms) sitting on top of something that "the biggest challenge would be keeping it from floating away."

I wouldn't want 140,000 tons collapsing on top of my bicycle or monorail car.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried reading the article , but the place is apparently slashdotted .
What I first thought of is not carbon emissions , or air circulation , but snow .
When I shovel snow A scoop weighs around 10 pounds ( 4.5 Kilograms ) .
Spread that over a mile dome .
A foot of snow would be around 27.9 million cubic feet of snow on top of that dome .
Now we are looking at 280 million pounds ( 126 million Kilograms ) sitting on top of something that " the biggest challenge would be keeping it from floating away .
" I would n't want 140,000 tons collapsing on top of my bicycle or monorail car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried reading the article, but the place is apparently slashdotted.
What I first thought of is not carbon emissions, or air circulation, but snow.
When I shovel snow A scoop weighs around 10 pounds (4.5 Kilograms).
Spread that over a mile dome.
A foot of snow would be around 27.9 million cubic feet of snow on top of that dome.
Now we are looking at 280 million pounds (126 million Kilograms) sitting on top of something that "the biggest challenge would be keeping it from floating away.
"

I wouldn't want 140,000 tons collapsing on top of my bicycle or monorail car.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033194</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Type44Q</author>
	<datestamp>1257783780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Consider that inflatable (and rigid) structures already work on a smaller scale. They work beautifully in the winter to contain warmth; simple, well-designed ventilation keeps them cool in the summer. Think of the greenhouse, a time-proven method for managing temperatures in the winter OR summer. Now take in account the fact that surface area-to-volume ratios go DOWN when you increase the size of your dome. In other words, the larger the dome, the less relevant these issues [that you bring up] become. As for the Bernoulli principle, any high school physics student will (or should) be able to point out that it requires airflow *beneath* the structure in order to cause its effect; think of an aircraft wing (which a dome anchored to the ground most certainly is not).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Consider that inflatable ( and rigid ) structures already work on a smaller scale .
They work beautifully in the winter to contain warmth ; simple , well-designed ventilation keeps them cool in the summer .
Think of the greenhouse , a time-proven method for managing temperatures in the winter OR summer .
Now take in account the fact that surface area-to-volume ratios go DOWN when you increase the size of your dome .
In other words , the larger the dome , the less relevant these issues [ that you bring up ] become .
As for the Bernoulli principle , any high school physics student will ( or should ) be able to point out that it requires airflow * beneath * the structure in order to cause its effect ; think of an aircraft wing ( which a dome anchored to the ground most certainly is not ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consider that inflatable (and rigid) structures already work on a smaller scale.
They work beautifully in the winter to contain warmth; simple, well-designed ventilation keeps them cool in the summer.
Think of the greenhouse, a time-proven method for managing temperatures in the winter OR summer.
Now take in account the fact that surface area-to-volume ratios go DOWN when you increase the size of your dome.
In other words, the larger the dome, the less relevant these issues [that you bring up] become.
As for the Bernoulli principle, any high school physics student will (or should) be able to point out that it requires airflow *beneath* the structure in order to cause its effect; think of an aircraft wing (which a dome anchored to the ground most certainly is not).</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30035750</id>
	<title>Re:Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>kthejoker</author>
	<datestamp>1257793860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do unto others as you would have others do unto you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30035272</id>
	<title>Re:There are actually some serious issues with thi</title>
	<author>Shotgun</author>
	<datestamp>1257792060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it would actually save energy cost, it should be investigated.  Obama has been pushing some energy conservation initiatives as part of a stimulus package.  Start with a small farm.  Cover the house and out-buildings.  You get experience dealing with the snow, air handling involving noxious odors, and some farmer gets a nicer winter.</p><p>Use the lessons learned to cover a suburb. I realize they have home-owner's associations, so the noxious fume problem will be much greater, but it is a learning experience, after all.</p><p>Use the lessons learned to cover a town.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it would actually save energy cost , it should be investigated .
Obama has been pushing some energy conservation initiatives as part of a stimulus package .
Start with a small farm .
Cover the house and out-buildings .
You get experience dealing with the snow , air handling involving noxious odors , and some farmer gets a nicer winter.Use the lessons learned to cover a suburb .
I realize they have home-owner 's associations , so the noxious fume problem will be much greater , but it is a learning experience , after all.Use the lessons learned to cover a town .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it would actually save energy cost, it should be investigated.
Obama has been pushing some energy conservation initiatives as part of a stimulus package.
Start with a small farm.
Cover the house and out-buildings.
You get experience dealing with the snow, air handling involving noxious odors, and some farmer gets a nicer winter.Use the lessons learned to cover a suburb.
I realize they have home-owner's associations, so the noxious fume problem will be much greater, but it is a learning experience, after all.Use the lessons learned to cover a town.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032494</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034200</id>
	<title>Re:I dunno, man. Snow is heavy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257787860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>OK, well, then, there are vents, to let our some of the hot air.  But then you waste all that energy heating air that you're venting.</p><p>But maybe it all works out somehow.</p></div><p>Yes it works out pretty well, by using a technique already used in houses. Use 2 tubes, one inside the other. Let the hot air be expelled through the inner tube, and cold air taken in through the outer tube. If the tube is long enough, the cold air will have taken most of the heat of the hot air before it reaches the inside of the dome/house.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , well , then , there are vents , to let our some of the hot air .
But then you waste all that energy heating air that you 're venting.But maybe it all works out somehow.Yes it works out pretty well , by using a technique already used in houses .
Use 2 tubes , one inside the other .
Let the hot air be expelled through the inner tube , and cold air taken in through the outer tube .
If the tube is long enough , the cold air will have taken most of the heat of the hot air before it reaches the inside of the dome/house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, well, then, there are vents, to let our some of the hot air.
But then you waste all that energy heating air that you're venting.But maybe it all works out somehow.Yes it works out pretty well, by using a technique already used in houses.
Use 2 tubes, one inside the other.
Let the hot air be expelled through the inner tube, and cold air taken in through the outer tube.
If the tube is long enough, the cold air will have taken most of the heat of the hot air before it reaches the inside of the dome/house.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032266</id>
	<title>Re:Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257780060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Name me one single idea in history, which when summed up in one sentence sounds very well though out.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Name me one single idea in history , which when summed up in one sentence sounds very well though out.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Name me one single idea in history, which when summed up in one sentence sounds very well though out.....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032084</id>
	<title>Re:Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>youroldbuddy</author>
	<datestamp>1257779220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would they have to pipe all the water in? You can just as well channel it through the dome? Even channel it throught at night.

What about insects and pollinators? They live fine in greenhouses. Why shouldnt they live in a dome. And who cares about migrating birds for such a small area?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would they have to pipe all the water in ?
You can just as well channel it through the dome ?
Even channel it throught at night .
What about insects and pollinators ?
They live fine in greenhouses .
Why shouldnt they live in a dome .
And who cares about migrating birds for such a small area ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would they have to pipe all the water in?
You can just as well channel it through the dome?
Even channel it throught at night.
What about insects and pollinators?
They live fine in greenhouses.
Why shouldnt they live in a dome.
And who cares about migrating birds for such a small area?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032774</id>
	<title>Town Residents</title>
	<author>cstacy</author>
	<datestamp>1257782100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When town resident Ethyl Silane was asked her opinion of the dome, she inexplicably ran from her porch screaming "Eee-pah ee-pah eeepaahh!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When town resident Ethyl Silane was asked her opinion of the dome , she inexplicably ran from her porch screaming " Eee-pah ee-pah eeepaahh !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When town resident Ethyl Silane was asked her opinion of the dome, she inexplicably ran from her porch screaming "Eee-pah ee-pah eeepaahh!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30040498</id>
	<title>Oh the scary irony</title>
	<author>Copperfield</author>
	<datestamp>1257772200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under\_the\_Dome" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under\_the\_Dome</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>The new Stephen King novel out tomorrow about a small town suddenly encased by an invisible, indestructable dome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under \ _the \ _Dome [ wikipedia.org ] The new Stephen King novel out tomorrow about a small town suddenly encased by an invisible , indestructable dome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under\_the\_Dome [wikipedia.org]The new Stephen King novel out tomorrow about a small town suddenly encased by an invisible, indestructable dome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034136</id>
	<title>Size of domes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257787620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think domes are a good idea.</p><p>The size of a single dome should be maxed. In order to cover a big city, you MUST use several domes, covering it like a net/bee hive. This reduces the risk of people dying when a dome fails.</p><p>The size of the domes must be small enough, to limit the chance of failure to an acceptable percentage. Small domes will also be able to withstand more damage and allow for faster repairs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think domes are a good idea.The size of a single dome should be maxed .
In order to cover a big city , you MUST use several domes , covering it like a net/bee hive .
This reduces the risk of people dying when a dome fails.The size of the domes must be small enough , to limit the chance of failure to an acceptable percentage .
Small domes will also be able to withstand more damage and allow for faster repairs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think domes are a good idea.The size of a single dome should be maxed.
In order to cover a big city, you MUST use several domes, covering it like a net/bee hive.
This reduces the risk of people dying when a dome fails.The size of the domes must be small enough, to limit the chance of failure to an acceptable percentage.
Small domes will also be able to withstand more damage and allow for faster repairs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30038662</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like a good idea...</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1257762960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That almost never happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That almost never happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That almost never happens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30036536</id>
	<title>Re:Dupe!</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1257797340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The trapped citizens damage the dome over time and , Cargill, not wanting news of what he has done to become widespread, plans to destroy Springfield.</i> -  Your link</p><p><a href="http://www.cargill.com/" title="cargill.com">Cargill</a> [cargill.com] is a meat packing plant about fifty miles from <a href="http://www.gallagher.com/blog/images/tornado\_springfield\_illinois\_2006.jpg" title="gallagher.com">Springfield</a> [gallagher.com] (Image shows the dome collapsing). Oh, <a href="http://www.ich.gov/newsletter/images/Mayor\%20Timothy\%20Davlin\%20-\%20Springfield\%20IL.jpg" title="ich.gov">Here's</a> [ich.gov] a picture of Mayour Quim... er, Davlin. <a href="http://www.sj-r.com/archive/x110664718/g11300047520432a61f850389c228fd184b22fd7249dffb.jpg" title="sj-r.com">Here's</a> [sj-r.com] a picture of Mr. Burn... er, I mean, Renfrow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The trapped citizens damage the dome over time and , Cargill , not wanting news of what he has done to become widespread , plans to destroy Springfield .
- Your linkCargill [ cargill.com ] is a meat packing plant about fifty miles from Springfield [ gallagher.com ] ( Image shows the dome collapsing ) .
Oh , Here 's [ ich.gov ] a picture of Mayour Quim... er , Davlin .
Here 's [ sj-r.com ] a picture of Mr. Burn... er , I mean , Renfrow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The trapped citizens damage the dome over time and , Cargill, not wanting news of what he has done to become widespread, plans to destroy Springfield.
-  Your linkCargill [cargill.com] is a meat packing plant about fifty miles from Springfield [gallagher.com] (Image shows the dome collapsing).
Oh, Here's [ich.gov] a picture of Mayour Quim... er, Davlin.
Here's [sj-r.com] a picture of Mr. Burn... er, I mean, Renfrow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032764</id>
	<title>The Reptile Brain is why...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257782040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the problem is probably better analyzed as a dynamic system. The limbic system is highly efficient at preserving energy in the face of stress. Just thinking about restricting your food intake will slow your metabolism by as much as 40\%. Exercise stresses the body, and trying to move the body from a homeostatic state of sedentary activity requires a lot of adaptation. Twelve weeks is probably not enough. A high-carbohydrate diet overloads the cellular sensitivity to insulin control which essentially "gives up" allowing high concentrations of insulin to exist in the bloodstream, and insulin causes fat accumulation in the presence of excess calories from carbohydrates. The use of high-fructose corn syrup in so many different foods stimulates the production of insulin in a manner that is not controlled by oxycalcitrin (a hormone produced in the bones), further aggravating fat accumulation. And, the onset of a life-changing activity without going through the seven steps outlined in James Prochaska's transtheoretical model of change creates mental and physical reactions that are inimical to the reduction of obesity. (And I'm just hitting the high points of the system here.)</p><p>Any more questions? (Go on, ask me a HARD one!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the problem is probably better analyzed as a dynamic system .
The limbic system is highly efficient at preserving energy in the face of stress .
Just thinking about restricting your food intake will slow your metabolism by as much as 40 \ % .
Exercise stresses the body , and trying to move the body from a homeostatic state of sedentary activity requires a lot of adaptation .
Twelve weeks is probably not enough .
A high-carbohydrate diet overloads the cellular sensitivity to insulin control which essentially " gives up " allowing high concentrations of insulin to exist in the bloodstream , and insulin causes fat accumulation in the presence of excess calories from carbohydrates .
The use of high-fructose corn syrup in so many different foods stimulates the production of insulin in a manner that is not controlled by oxycalcitrin ( a hormone produced in the bones ) , further aggravating fat accumulation .
And , the onset of a life-changing activity without going through the seven steps outlined in James Prochaska 's transtheoretical model of change creates mental and physical reactions that are inimical to the reduction of obesity .
( And I 'm just hitting the high points of the system here .
) Any more questions ?
( Go on , ask me a HARD one !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the problem is probably better analyzed as a dynamic system.
The limbic system is highly efficient at preserving energy in the face of stress.
Just thinking about restricting your food intake will slow your metabolism by as much as 40\%.
Exercise stresses the body, and trying to move the body from a homeostatic state of sedentary activity requires a lot of adaptation.
Twelve weeks is probably not enough.
A high-carbohydrate diet overloads the cellular sensitivity to insulin control which essentially "gives up" allowing high concentrations of insulin to exist in the bloodstream, and insulin causes fat accumulation in the presence of excess calories from carbohydrates.
The use of high-fructose corn syrup in so many different foods stimulates the production of insulin in a manner that is not controlled by oxycalcitrin (a hormone produced in the bones), further aggravating fat accumulation.
And, the onset of a life-changing activity without going through the seven steps outlined in James Prochaska's transtheoretical model of change creates mental and physical reactions that are inimical to the reduction of obesity.
(And I'm just hitting the high points of the system here.
)Any more questions?
(Go on, ask me a HARD one!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30036918</id>
	<title>Too much snow on the roof</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257798900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Screw domes -- too much snow on the roof and your brains will be in terrible danger. Enlist the aid of Pauly Shore and choose the stately tetrahedron. That'll make sure you don't have too much snow on your dome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw domes -- too much snow on the roof and your brains will be in terrible danger .
Enlist the aid of Pauly Shore and choose the stately tetrahedron .
That 'll make sure you do n't have too much snow on your dome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw domes -- too much snow on the roof and your brains will be in terrible danger.
Enlist the aid of Pauly Shore and choose the stately tetrahedron.
That'll make sure you don't have too much snow on your dome.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30037098</id>
	<title>Sliced Bread?</title>
	<author>mevets</author>
	<datestamp>1257799740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But, really more credit should go to the guy who came up with bread.   Slicing it was probably pretty obvious after the fact....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But , really more credit should go to the guy who came up with bread .
Slicing it was probably pretty obvious after the fact... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But, really more credit should go to the guy who came up with bread.
Slicing it was probably pretty obvious after the fact....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033972</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257787020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So instead of being an inconviennce when the power goes out you get crushed to death by a falling dome.</p><p>Also cue the theme song for Space balls<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if you're living in a bubble and you havent got a care then you better watch out cause we're gonna steal your air!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So instead of being an inconviennce when the power goes out you get crushed to death by a falling dome.Also cue the theme song for Space balls ... if you 're living in a bubble and you havent got a care then you better watch out cause we 're gon na steal your air !
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So instead of being an inconviennce when the power goes out you get crushed to death by a falling dome.Also cue the theme song for Space balls ... if you're living in a bubble and you havent got a care then you better watch out cause we're gonna steal your air!
..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032022</id>
	<title>I dunno, man.  Snow is heavy</title>
	<author>HawkinsD</author>
	<datestamp>1257778920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A <a href="http://www.scenesofvermont.com/valentinesday\_storm.html" title="scenesofvermont.com">couple of years ago</a> [scenesofvermont.com] Burlington, VT received 25.7 inches (0.65 m) of snow in 24 hours.  I don't know what the density of snow is (I imagine it varies wildly), but that seems like a lot of weight.</p><p>OK, maybe the warm air can support that... but if that were the case, then on days when there <i>wasn't</i> 89 grillion kg of snow on top, there would be some pretty huge upward forces on the tent-pegs.</p><p>OK, well, then, there are vents, to let our some of the hot air.  But then you waste all that energy heating air that you're venting.</p><p>But maybe it all works out somehow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A couple of years ago [ scenesofvermont.com ] Burlington , VT received 25.7 inches ( 0.65 m ) of snow in 24 hours .
I do n't know what the density of snow is ( I imagine it varies wildly ) , but that seems like a lot of weight.OK , maybe the warm air can support that... but if that were the case , then on days when there was n't 89 grillion kg of snow on top , there would be some pretty huge upward forces on the tent-pegs.OK , well , then , there are vents , to let our some of the hot air .
But then you waste all that energy heating air that you 're venting.But maybe it all works out somehow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A couple of years ago [scenesofvermont.com] Burlington, VT received 25.7 inches (0.65 m) of snow in 24 hours.
I don't know what the density of snow is (I imagine it varies wildly), but that seems like a lot of weight.OK, maybe the warm air can support that... but if that were the case, then on days when there wasn't 89 grillion kg of snow on top, there would be some pretty huge upward forces on the tent-pegs.OK, well, then, there are vents, to let our some of the hot air.
But then you waste all that energy heating air that you're venting.But maybe it all works out somehow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30039538</id>
	<title>Hmmm...</title>
	<author>tthomas48</author>
	<datestamp>1257767040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I feel like many of these combined savings have already been achieved without the associated problems of living in a dome. What are those things called? Oh yes, high rise buildings.</p><p>If you combined them with something like Houston's tunnel system and New York's subway you could have a very easy to climate control system while still providing for traditional means of transportation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I feel like many of these combined savings have already been achieved without the associated problems of living in a dome .
What are those things called ?
Oh yes , high rise buildings.If you combined them with something like Houston 's tunnel system and New York 's subway you could have a very easy to climate control system while still providing for traditional means of transportation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I feel like many of these combined savings have already been achieved without the associated problems of living in a dome.
What are those things called?
Oh yes, high rise buildings.If you combined them with something like Houston's tunnel system and New York's subway you could have a very easy to climate control system while still providing for traditional means of transportation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30039546</id>
	<title>Re:Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>iroll</author>
	<datestamp>1257767100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do you think the water is getting there right now--by helicopter?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you think the water is getting there right now--by helicopter ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you think the water is getting there right now--by helicopter?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034784</id>
	<title>Security is major concern</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257790140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a situation like this, one must consider security to ensure that people don't come steal your air.  I was thinking a combination lock would suffice, perhaps make the combination "1...2...3...4".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a situation like this , one must consider security to ensure that people do n't come steal your air .
I was thinking a combination lock would suffice , perhaps make the combination " 1...2...3...4 " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a situation like this, one must consider security to ensure that people don't come steal your air.
I was thinking a combination lock would suffice, perhaps make the combination "1...2...3...4".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30037832</id>
	<title>Re:Lessons From Biosphere II</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1257759660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In engineering and science. Experiments are never failures if we learn something. And the oops would be 7000ppl. Learning these things is good. Also its fucking cool! Domed cities? How is that not awesome. I should be revoking all of the naysayers nerd licenses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In engineering and science .
Experiments are never failures if we learn something .
And the oops would be 7000ppl .
Learning these things is good .
Also its fucking cool !
Domed cities ?
How is that not awesome .
I should be revoking all of the naysayers nerd licenses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In engineering and science.
Experiments are never failures if we learn something.
And the oops would be 7000ppl.
Learning these things is good.
Also its fucking cool!
Domed cities?
How is that not awesome.
I should be revoking all of the naysayers nerd licenses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032544</id>
	<title>Re:No rain</title>
	<author>Linuxmonger</author>
	<datestamp>1257781320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your car will be sitting outside the dome, by West airlock #3.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your car will be sitting outside the dome , by West airlock # 3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your car will be sitting outside the dome, by West airlock #3.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30035894</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257794400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>i think it's not so much about the need to heat the whole dome, but rather the fact that the dome would trap all the heat (and pollutants) inside the dome. The lack of air exchange would trap alot of the heat, pretty much exactly how a greenhouse works.</p></div><p>This could be taken care of by passing air in and out through heat exchangers.  Get the benefits of ample ventilation, but keep most your heat in.  There already are sealed super-energy-efficient houses that use this technology, that can stay warm in winter simply utilizing the waste heat from humans, appliances, and other activities -- and unlike the highly insulated houses of decades past, they have plenty of fresh air to boot.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>i think it 's not so much about the need to heat the whole dome , but rather the fact that the dome would trap all the heat ( and pollutants ) inside the dome .
The lack of air exchange would trap alot of the heat , pretty much exactly how a greenhouse works.This could be taken care of by passing air in and out through heat exchangers .
Get the benefits of ample ventilation , but keep most your heat in .
There already are sealed super-energy-efficient houses that use this technology , that can stay warm in winter simply utilizing the waste heat from humans , appliances , and other activities -- and unlike the highly insulated houses of decades past , they have plenty of fresh air to boot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i think it's not so much about the need to heat the whole dome, but rather the fact that the dome would trap all the heat (and pollutants) inside the dome.
The lack of air exchange would trap alot of the heat, pretty much exactly how a greenhouse works.This could be taken care of by passing air in and out through heat exchangers.
Get the benefits of ample ventilation, but keep most your heat in.
There already are sealed super-energy-efficient houses that use this technology, that can stay warm in winter simply utilizing the waste heat from humans, appliances, and other activities -- and unlike the highly insulated houses of decades past, they have plenty of fresh air to boot.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30035136</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Alsee</author>
	<datestamp>1257791580000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>I'm sure there's actually probably a better substance than water for the purpose</i></p><p>Actually water is about the ideal storage bank for heat. Water molecules experience a huge about of hydrogen bonding with each other. Any heat energy you add to water largely gets soaked up to break these hydrogen bonds, very little of the energy actually goes into increasing the velocity of the molecules. While it's possible I've missed something, the only substances I have been able to find with a higher specific heat than water are some gases such as hydrogen helium and ammonia. Obviously the cost and low density of gases generally makes them useless for a heat storage bank.</p><p>Adding a percentage of alcohol or possibly other substances to water may yield an increase in specific heat, but that only seems to be about a 4\% improvement. Unlikely to be worthwhile compared to the simplicity of plain water.</p><p>I think about the only chance you might be able to do better than water is maybe if you can find a cheap easy substance that happens to undergo a relatively high heat-capacity phase change within your temperature range. There is work being done on exactly this sort of technology, mostly directed to stabilizing home temperatures and lowering heating and cooling costs, but they do not seem to have found a good cost effective material yet.</p><p>I doubt you do much better than a cheap easy mass of water. I'd be most curious to see if anyone can post a comparable or better alternative.</p><p>-</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure there 's actually probably a better substance than water for the purposeActually water is about the ideal storage bank for heat .
Water molecules experience a huge about of hydrogen bonding with each other .
Any heat energy you add to water largely gets soaked up to break these hydrogen bonds , very little of the energy actually goes into increasing the velocity of the molecules .
While it 's possible I 've missed something , the only substances I have been able to find with a higher specific heat than water are some gases such as hydrogen helium and ammonia .
Obviously the cost and low density of gases generally makes them useless for a heat storage bank.Adding a percentage of alcohol or possibly other substances to water may yield an increase in specific heat , but that only seems to be about a 4 \ % improvement .
Unlikely to be worthwhile compared to the simplicity of plain water.I think about the only chance you might be able to do better than water is maybe if you can find a cheap easy substance that happens to undergo a relatively high heat-capacity phase change within your temperature range .
There is work being done on exactly this sort of technology , mostly directed to stabilizing home temperatures and lowering heating and cooling costs , but they do not seem to have found a good cost effective material yet.I doubt you do much better than a cheap easy mass of water .
I 'd be most curious to see if anyone can post a comparable or better alternative.-</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure there's actually probably a better substance than water for the purposeActually water is about the ideal storage bank for heat.
Water molecules experience a huge about of hydrogen bonding with each other.
Any heat energy you add to water largely gets soaked up to break these hydrogen bonds, very little of the energy actually goes into increasing the velocity of the molecules.
While it's possible I've missed something, the only substances I have been able to find with a higher specific heat than water are some gases such as hydrogen helium and ammonia.
Obviously the cost and low density of gases generally makes them useless for a heat storage bank.Adding a percentage of alcohol or possibly other substances to water may yield an increase in specific heat, but that only seems to be about a 4\% improvement.
Unlikely to be worthwhile compared to the simplicity of plain water.I think about the only chance you might be able to do better than water is maybe if you can find a cheap easy substance that happens to undergo a relatively high heat-capacity phase change within your temperature range.
There is work being done on exactly this sort of technology, mostly directed to stabilizing home temperatures and lowering heating and cooling costs, but they do not seem to have found a good cost effective material yet.I doubt you do much better than a cheap easy mass of water.
I'd be most curious to see if anyone can post a comparable or better alternative.-</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30038394</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1257761940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone's doing math like they'd keep this dome at roof temperature.</p><p>
I think it's far more likely the insides would be more around 40-50 degrees. Somewhere above freezing (Which solves a whole host of problems related to water damage, and lets snow melt off the dome.), letting people walk around without their fingers falling off, but not actually 'You don't need to heat your house at all'.</p><p>
It isn't a question as to which is 'more efficient', building or dome heating, because they would actually be working together.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone 's doing math like they 'd keep this dome at roof temperature .
I think it 's far more likely the insides would be more around 40-50 degrees .
Somewhere above freezing ( Which solves a whole host of problems related to water damage , and lets snow melt off the dome .
) , letting people walk around without their fingers falling off , but not actually 'You do n't need to heat your house at all' .
It is n't a question as to which is 'more efficient ' , building or dome heating , because they would actually be working together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone's doing math like they'd keep this dome at roof temperature.
I think it's far more likely the insides would be more around 40-50 degrees.
Somewhere above freezing (Which solves a whole host of problems related to water damage, and lets snow melt off the dome.
), letting people walk around without their fingers falling off, but not actually 'You don't need to heat your house at all'.
It isn't a question as to which is 'more efficient', building or dome heating, because they would actually be working together.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034296</id>
	<title>Ok, I have a few problems</title>
	<author>fataugie</author>
	<datestamp>1257788280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So let's say we get past funding, the cost overruns of the contractors and unions...I have a few questions on after it's in place.</p><p>What happens to the rain?  Are they going to irrigate everything?<br>What about as one person above stated....what happens with snow loading?  Last I checked, VT is known for snow (look up ski resorts - VT).<br>What about hail?  Microbursts?<br>What about the lack of ingress and egress for birds, bees and other wildlife?<br>What about when the summer temps reach 90+ degrees with 90\% humidity....can you say Sauna?  How do you ventilate that?</p><p>And these are only the things off the top of my head.  Give me a few hours to think it through, and I'm sure i could come up with a dozen more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So let 's say we get past funding , the cost overruns of the contractors and unions...I have a few questions on after it 's in place.What happens to the rain ?
Are they going to irrigate everything ? What about as one person above stated....what happens with snow loading ?
Last I checked , VT is known for snow ( look up ski resorts - VT ) .What about hail ?
Microbursts ? What about the lack of ingress and egress for birds , bees and other wildlife ? What about when the summer temps reach 90 + degrees with 90 \ % humidity....can you say Sauna ?
How do you ventilate that ? And these are only the things off the top of my head .
Give me a few hours to think it through , and I 'm sure i could come up with a dozen more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So let's say we get past funding, the cost overruns of the contractors and unions...I have a few questions on after it's in place.What happens to the rain?
Are they going to irrigate everything?What about as one person above stated....what happens with snow loading?
Last I checked, VT is known for snow (look up ski resorts - VT).What about hail?
Microbursts?What about the lack of ingress and egress for birds, bees and other wildlife?What about when the summer temps reach 90+ degrees with 90\% humidity....can you say Sauna?
How do you ventilate that?And these are only the things off the top of my head.
Give me a few hours to think it through, and I'm sure i could come up with a dozen more.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032166</id>
	<title>Re:I dunno, man. Snow is heavy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257779700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wouldn't the heated dome just melt it all off? I mean a hemispherical dome of heated air should be able to combat some snow right?

Of course the Pontiac Silverdome used a very similar design.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac\_Silverdome" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac\_Silverdome</a> [wikipedia.org]
It's now abandoned but only because the Lion suck and they received a new stadium.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't the heated dome just melt it all off ?
I mean a hemispherical dome of heated air should be able to combat some snow right ?
Of course the Pontiac Silverdome used a very similar design .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac \ _Silverdome [ wikipedia.org ] It 's now abandoned but only because the Lion suck and they received a new stadium .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't the heated dome just melt it all off?
I mean a hemispherical dome of heated air should be able to combat some snow right?
Of course the Pontiac Silverdome used a very similar design.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac\_Silverdome [wikipedia.org]
It's now abandoned but only because the Lion suck and they received a new stadium.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30039252</id>
	<title>Re:There are actually some serious issues with thi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257765600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another thing to worry about. What about <b>farts</b>? I don't think I would like smelling the air inside the dome after a while.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another thing to worry about .
What about farts ?
I do n't think I would like smelling the air inside the dome after a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another thing to worry about.
What about farts?
I don't think I would like smelling the air inside the dome after a while.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033922</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257786840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm not sure that going from heating a few thousand little boxes to heating one giant dome really qualifies as "no heating bills"</p></div><p>TFA doesn't mention destroying the houses once the dome is built. The dome would be an additional insulation, therefore it can only lower the heating costs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure that going from heating a few thousand little boxes to heating one giant dome really qualifies as " no heating bills " TFA does n't mention destroying the houses once the dome is built .
The dome would be an additional insulation , therefore it can only lower the heating costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure that going from heating a few thousand little boxes to heating one giant dome really qualifies as "no heating bills"TFA doesn't mention destroying the houses once the dome is built.
The dome would be an additional insulation, therefore it can only lower the heating costs.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034652</id>
	<title>Re:Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>smitty777</author>
	<datestamp>1257789600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was thinking the same thing - but from TFA, apparently the plastic composite glass is "self cleaning".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking the same thing - but from TFA , apparently the plastic composite glass is " self cleaning " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was thinking the same thing - but from TFA, apparently the plastic composite glass is "self cleaning".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032142</id>
	<title>Re:No rain</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1257779520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm sure you can have birds and insects inside the dome.</p></div><p>Why would you want them?  I wouldn't.  I have no need for black widow spiders and mosquitos.  And if no birds crapped on my car, that would be OK with me.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 'm sure you can have birds and insects inside the dome.Why would you want them ?
I would n't .
I have no need for black widow spiders and mosquitos .
And if no birds crapped on my car , that would be OK with me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure you can have birds and insects inside the dome.Why would you want them?
I wouldn't.
I have no need for black widow spiders and mosquitos.
And if no birds crapped on my car, that would be OK with me.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032254</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1257780000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm not sure that going from heating a few thousand little boxes to heating one giant dome really qualifies as "no heating bills".</p></div><p>Study up on the square-cube law and get back to us.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square-cube\_law" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square-cube\_law</a> [wikipedia.org] </p><p><div class="quote"><p>Similarly, while shoveling snow off your driveway kind of sucks, it sure beats having snow build up on your habidome until the whole mess comes crashing down.</p></div><p>If the outside surface temperature never drops below freezing, due to above square-cube law...  Also it seems no great challenge at all, to design buildings, even domes, that don't collapse under heavy snow loads.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure that going from heating a few thousand little boxes to heating one giant dome really qualifies as " no heating bills " .Study up on the square-cube law and get back to us.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square-cube \ _law [ wikipedia.org ] Similarly , while shoveling snow off your driveway kind of sucks , it sure beats having snow build up on your habidome until the whole mess comes crashing down.If the outside surface temperature never drops below freezing , due to above square-cube law... Also it seems no great challenge at all , to design buildings , even domes , that do n't collapse under heavy snow loads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure that going from heating a few thousand little boxes to heating one giant dome really qualifies as "no heating bills".Study up on the square-cube law and get back to us.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square-cube\_law [wikipedia.org] Similarly, while shoveling snow off your driveway kind of sucks, it sure beats having snow build up on your habidome until the whole mess comes crashing down.If the outside surface temperature never drops below freezing, due to above square-cube law...  Also it seems no great challenge at all, to design buildings, even domes, that don't collapse under heavy snow loads.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032484</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>AntEater</author>
	<datestamp>1257781080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Vermont really does get a lot of summer.</p></div><p>I live in VT and you don't know how badly I really do wish this were true.  Most years we have snow on the ground from mid-Nov through early May.  It isn't unusual for frosts occur in June and August.</p><p>This dome would also end up trapping in a lot of pollution unless they would prohibit cars and trucks from driving inside.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Vermont really does get a lot of summer.I live in VT and you do n't know how badly I really do wish this were true .
Most years we have snow on the ground from mid-Nov through early May .
It is n't unusual for frosts occur in June and August.This dome would also end up trapping in a lot of pollution unless they would prohibit cars and trucks from driving inside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vermont really does get a lot of summer.I live in VT and you don't know how badly I really do wish this were true.
Most years we have snow on the ground from mid-Nov through early May.
It isn't unusual for frosts occur in June and August.This dome would also end up trapping in a lot of pollution unless they would prohibit cars and trucks from driving inside.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30031944</id>
	<title>Simpsons did it!</title>
	<author>matstars</author>
	<datestamp>1257778440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Come on now, this was already done in the Simpsons movie...

Nothing new here!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on now , this was already done in the Simpsons movie.. . Nothing new here !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on now, this was already done in the Simpsons movie...

Nothing new here!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30037470</id>
	<title>Vermont cutoff from the rest of the World</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257758160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Git off of my property, you Vermint.</p><p>Hey, that has a cool ring to it.</p><p>Many here don't seem to be looking at the Solution, instead squarely focusing on problems.</p><p>What benefits could rest of the country and the world have from stupid ideas like these safely contained inside an all-tight container? Also consider the containment of gene pool contamination.</p><p>I say the benefits are so great that all discussion on this topic be stopped at once, lest they realize their foolhardy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Git off of my property , you Vermint.Hey , that has a cool ring to it.Many here do n't seem to be looking at the Solution , instead squarely focusing on problems.What benefits could rest of the country and the world have from stupid ideas like these safely contained inside an all-tight container ?
Also consider the containment of gene pool contamination.I say the benefits are so great that all discussion on this topic be stopped at once , lest they realize their foolhardy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Git off of my property, you Vermint.Hey, that has a cool ring to it.Many here don't seem to be looking at the Solution, instead squarely focusing on problems.What benefits could rest of the country and the world have from stupid ideas like these safely contained inside an all-tight container?
Also consider the containment of gene pool contamination.I say the benefits are so great that all discussion on this topic be stopped at once, lest they realize their foolhardy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032762</id>
	<title>Re:No rain</title>
	<author>danbert8</author>
	<datestamp>1257782040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Birds would likely still live within the dome, and they would be able to perch ANYWHERE, so you wouldn't just be able to avoid parking under trees or lights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Birds would likely still live within the dome , and they would be able to perch ANYWHERE , so you would n't just be able to avoid parking under trees or lights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Birds would likely still live within the dome, and they would be able to perch ANYWHERE, so you wouldn't just be able to avoid parking under trees or lights.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032660</id>
	<title>Fashion from here?</title>
	<author>huangzhixian1204</author>
	<datestamp>1257781740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In order to meet the Thanksgiving holiday, this site hereby release Thanksgiving gift, that is, gift, our web site is <a href="http://www.coolforsale.com/" title="coolforsale.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.coolforsale.com/</a> [coolforsale.com] Nike Air Jordan(1-25)/Jordan Six Ring/Jordan Fusion/Nike Shox/Air Max/AF1/Dunk shoes, coach,gucci,lv,dg,ed hardy handbags, Polo/Ed Hardy/Lacoste/Ca/A&amp;F<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,T-shirt welcome new and old customers come to order.</htmltext>
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<sentencetext>In order to meet the Thanksgiving holiday, this site hereby release Thanksgiving gift, that is, gift, our web site is http://www.coolforsale.com/ [coolforsale.com] Nike Air Jordan(1-25)/Jordan Six Ring/Jordan Fusion/Nike Shox/Air Max/AF1/Dunk shoes, coach,gucci,lv,dg,ed hardy handbags, Polo/Ed Hardy/Lacoste/Ca/A&amp;F ,T-shirt welcome new and old customers come to order.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30036916</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257798900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No there is nothing better than water, unless you want to store heat at higher than 100 C, which you probably don't if your goal is to add thermal capacity.</p><p>Water rules!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No there is nothing better than water , unless you want to store heat at higher than 100 C , which you probably do n't if your goal is to add thermal capacity.Water rules !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No there is nothing better than water, unless you want to store heat at higher than 100 C, which you probably don't if your goal is to add thermal capacity.Water rules!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032058</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>uncledrax</author>
	<datestamp>1257779160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i think it's not so much about the need to heat the whole dome, but rather the fact that the dome would trap all the heat (and pollutants) inside the dome. The lack of air exchange would trap alot of the heat, pretty much exactly how a greenhouse works.</p><p>Frankly, I encourage these people to complete their dome. It'll reveal insight into how bad (or maybe good too?) the idea is and what can go wrong with them.<br>Also, it'll be good practice for when/if we decide to colonize extra-terran bodies. I don't think anyone has tried a larger-scale enclose ecosystem like this before (yes I know it won't be entirely enclosed.. but gotta start somewhere).</p><p>If you want to make little science, occasionally you have to break some beakers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i think it 's not so much about the need to heat the whole dome , but rather the fact that the dome would trap all the heat ( and pollutants ) inside the dome .
The lack of air exchange would trap alot of the heat , pretty much exactly how a greenhouse works.Frankly , I encourage these people to complete their dome .
It 'll reveal insight into how bad ( or maybe good too ?
) the idea is and what can go wrong with them.Also , it 'll be good practice for when/if we decide to colonize extra-terran bodies .
I do n't think anyone has tried a larger-scale enclose ecosystem like this before ( yes I know it wo n't be entirely enclosed.. but got ta start somewhere ) .If you want to make little science , occasionally you have to break some beakers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i think it's not so much about the need to heat the whole dome, but rather the fact that the dome would trap all the heat (and pollutants) inside the dome.
The lack of air exchange would trap alot of the heat, pretty much exactly how a greenhouse works.Frankly, I encourage these people to complete their dome.
It'll reveal insight into how bad (or maybe good too?
) the idea is and what can go wrong with them.Also, it'll be good practice for when/if we decide to colonize extra-terran bodies.
I don't think anyone has tried a larger-scale enclose ecosystem like this before (yes I know it won't be entirely enclosed.. but gotta start somewhere).If you want to make little science, occasionally you have to break some beakers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034572</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257789240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i've read that paraffin wax is pretty good</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i 've read that paraffin wax is pretty good</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i've read that paraffin wax is pretty good</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30036206</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1257795600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, the theory is that its more efficent to heat the whole dome than individual houses.  Also, I doubt snow would build up on top of a dome whose surface is around 70F.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the theory is that its more efficent to heat the whole dome than individual houses .
Also , I doubt snow would build up on top of a dome whose surface is around 70F .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the theory is that its more efficent to heat the whole dome than individual houses.
Also, I doubt snow would build up on top of a dome whose surface is around 70F.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032034</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257779040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>TFA suggests that it would be held up by air pressure. That means that, not only do you have to worry about snow, but there's also the problem that if enough panels break to lower the interior pressure the dome could collapse. Or in a high-wind scenario the Bernoulli effect could burst it. You're also right that obviously the surface area of the dome would result in truly absurd heating costs and I suspect really terrible AC costs in the summer (greenhouse effect!); Vermont really does get a lot of summer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA suggests that it would be held up by air pressure .
That means that , not only do you have to worry about snow , but there 's also the problem that if enough panels break to lower the interior pressure the dome could collapse .
Or in a high-wind scenario the Bernoulli effect could burst it .
You 're also right that obviously the surface area of the dome would result in truly absurd heating costs and I suspect really terrible AC costs in the summer ( greenhouse effect !
) ; Vermont really does get a lot of summer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA suggests that it would be held up by air pressure.
That means that, not only do you have to worry about snow, but there's also the problem that if enough panels break to lower the interior pressure the dome could collapse.
Or in a high-wind scenario the Bernoulli effect could burst it.
You're also right that obviously the surface area of the dome would result in truly absurd heating costs and I suspect really terrible AC costs in the summer (greenhouse effect!
); Vermont really does get a lot of summer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034236</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>clone53421</author>
	<datestamp>1257788040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Study up on the square-cube law and get back to us.</p></div><p>That is not really the answer to this particular question.</p><p>The square-cube law means that if you scale up the volume of a dome, the surface area increases as the 2/3rd root of the volume. I.e. the larger you get, the less surface area per volume you will have.</p><p>However, the main advantages here are not due to this (as you increase the surface area, you increase the thermal transfer rate anyway, even if it is a lower increase than the rate of the increase of volume).</p><p>The main advantages of this are because of these:</p><p>(1) Many small enclosures -&gt; one larger enclosure. The one larger enclosure will have a far smaller surface area for a similar enclosed volume (which this isn't, but it's still a beneficial factor).</p><p>(2) Rectangular enclosures -&gt; dome. A sphere has the lowest possible surface area per enclosed volume. A dome gets pretty close. The fewer facets your approximation of a sphere has, the more surface area it requires to enclose the same amount of volume. A rectangular enclosure is relatively bad.</p><p>(3) Control over the thermal properties of the enclosure. It would be impractical to properly insulate every house in an aging city. It would be much more practical, if you were putting up a dome, to use a substance with a low thermal transfer rate.</p><p>Point 3 would, however, make your outside surface temperature approximately the same as the outside air temperature &ndash; which means your dome wouldn't melt the snow or ice off, as you suggested. However, keeping the dome warm enough to melt the snow or ice would be cost-prohibitive anyway. A 2" snowfall equals 4,646,400 cubic feet of snow per square mile... and melting that would require about 3.38765982x10^12 joules of energy, equivalent to 3,210,662 CCF (hundred cubic feet) of natural gas &ndash; again, <em>per square mile</em> for a 2" snowfall.</p><p>Assuming typical snow melts down to about 1/13 its volume in water, and knowing that the heat of fusion for ice is 80 cal/g:<br><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=(2\%20in\%20*\%201\%20sq\%20mi)\%20*\%20(1/13)\%20*\%20(1\%20g/cu\%20cm)\%20*\%20(80\%20cal\%20/\%20g)" title="google.com">(2 in * 1 sq mi) * (1/13) * (1 g/cu cm) * (80 cal / g) = 3.38765982x10^12 joules</a> [google.com]... I love Google!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Study up on the square-cube law and get back to us.That is not really the answer to this particular question.The square-cube law means that if you scale up the volume of a dome , the surface area increases as the 2/3rd root of the volume .
I.e. the larger you get , the less surface area per volume you will have.However , the main advantages here are not due to this ( as you increase the surface area , you increase the thermal transfer rate anyway , even if it is a lower increase than the rate of the increase of volume ) .The main advantages of this are because of these : ( 1 ) Many small enclosures - &gt; one larger enclosure .
The one larger enclosure will have a far smaller surface area for a similar enclosed volume ( which this is n't , but it 's still a beneficial factor ) .
( 2 ) Rectangular enclosures - &gt; dome .
A sphere has the lowest possible surface area per enclosed volume .
A dome gets pretty close .
The fewer facets your approximation of a sphere has , the more surface area it requires to enclose the same amount of volume .
A rectangular enclosure is relatively bad .
( 3 ) Control over the thermal properties of the enclosure .
It would be impractical to properly insulate every house in an aging city .
It would be much more practical , if you were putting up a dome , to use a substance with a low thermal transfer rate.Point 3 would , however , make your outside surface temperature approximately the same as the outside air temperature    which means your dome would n't melt the snow or ice off , as you suggested .
However , keeping the dome warm enough to melt the snow or ice would be cost-prohibitive anyway .
A 2 " snowfall equals 4,646,400 cubic feet of snow per square mile... and melting that would require about 3.38765982x10 ^ 12 joules of energy , equivalent to 3,210,662 CCF ( hundred cubic feet ) of natural gas    again , per square mile for a 2 " snowfall.Assuming typical snow melts down to about 1/13 its volume in water , and knowing that the heat of fusion for ice is 80 cal/g : ( 2 in * 1 sq mi ) * ( 1/13 ) * ( 1 g/cu cm ) * ( 80 cal / g ) = 3.38765982x10 ^ 12 joules [ google.com ] ... I love Google !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Study up on the square-cube law and get back to us.That is not really the answer to this particular question.The square-cube law means that if you scale up the volume of a dome, the surface area increases as the 2/3rd root of the volume.
I.e. the larger you get, the less surface area per volume you will have.However, the main advantages here are not due to this (as you increase the surface area, you increase the thermal transfer rate anyway, even if it is a lower increase than the rate of the increase of volume).The main advantages of this are because of these:(1) Many small enclosures -&gt; one larger enclosure.
The one larger enclosure will have a far smaller surface area for a similar enclosed volume (which this isn't, but it's still a beneficial factor).
(2) Rectangular enclosures -&gt; dome.
A sphere has the lowest possible surface area per enclosed volume.
A dome gets pretty close.
The fewer facets your approximation of a sphere has, the more surface area it requires to enclose the same amount of volume.
A rectangular enclosure is relatively bad.
(3) Control over the thermal properties of the enclosure.
It would be impractical to properly insulate every house in an aging city.
It would be much more practical, if you were putting up a dome, to use a substance with a low thermal transfer rate.Point 3 would, however, make your outside surface temperature approximately the same as the outside air temperature – which means your dome wouldn't melt the snow or ice off, as you suggested.
However, keeping the dome warm enough to melt the snow or ice would be cost-prohibitive anyway.
A 2" snowfall equals 4,646,400 cubic feet of snow per square mile... and melting that would require about 3.38765982x10^12 joules of energy, equivalent to 3,210,662 CCF (hundred cubic feet) of natural gas – again, per square mile for a 2" snowfall.Assuming typical snow melts down to about 1/13 its volume in water, and knowing that the heat of fusion for ice is 80 cal/g:(2 in * 1 sq mi) * (1/13) * (1 g/cu cm) * (80 cal / g) = 3.38765982x10^12 joules [google.com]... I love Google!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034208</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>fataugie</author>
	<datestamp>1257787920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's an awful big "If" batman.  Vermont....remember?  Fucking cold 6 months out of the year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's an awful big " If " batman .
Vermont....remember ? Fucking cold 6 months out of the year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's an awful big "If" batman.
Vermont....remember?  Fucking cold 6 months out of the year.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034872</id>
	<title>Dome over Manhattan - really.</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1257790500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
That's nothing.  Fuller proposed a <a href="http://www.mcachicago.org/exhibitions/exh\_detail.php?id=202" title="mcachicago.org">dome over Manhattan.</a> [mcachicago.org] Now that would have been something.
</p><p>
Domes have a bad reputation, for the wrong reasons.  Domes with factory-manufactured parts protected big radar antennas in the Arctic for decades.  Those worked fine. "Hippie domes" made of "natural materials" didn't.  The bad rep comes from <a href="http://www.shelterpub.com/\_shelter/refried\_domes.html" title="shelterpub.com">the Domebook 1 and 2</a> [shelterpub.com] people.  Their idea of a dome was a frame covered with shingles on the outside and wallboard on the inside, like a wood-framed house. Trying to make flat components to fit a dome on site was a disaster.
Fuller had the right idea; you make all the parts in a factory, where you can hold tolerances, and assemble on site.
</p><p>
The way small domes should have worked is with triangular standardized inserts - windows, solid walls, vents, wall sections with utility ducts, etc.  The sections would be several inches thick, with proper insulation and gaskets.  Once the frame was up (the easy part) assembly would consist of putting the inserts into the dome's triangles.  You need enough volume to support the manufacturing needed to do this.  That's the problem the amateurs ran into.
</p><p>
Domes still have the problem that much of the volume is unusable, but there's no reason they can't be constructed reliably.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's nothing .
Fuller proposed a dome over Manhattan .
[ mcachicago.org ] Now that would have been something .
Domes have a bad reputation , for the wrong reasons .
Domes with factory-manufactured parts protected big radar antennas in the Arctic for decades .
Those worked fine .
" Hippie domes " made of " natural materials " did n't .
The bad rep comes from the Domebook 1 and 2 [ shelterpub.com ] people .
Their idea of a dome was a frame covered with shingles on the outside and wallboard on the inside , like a wood-framed house .
Trying to make flat components to fit a dome on site was a disaster .
Fuller had the right idea ; you make all the parts in a factory , where you can hold tolerances , and assemble on site .
The way small domes should have worked is with triangular standardized inserts - windows , solid walls , vents , wall sections with utility ducts , etc .
The sections would be several inches thick , with proper insulation and gaskets .
Once the frame was up ( the easy part ) assembly would consist of putting the inserts into the dome 's triangles .
You need enough volume to support the manufacturing needed to do this .
That 's the problem the amateurs ran into .
Domes still have the problem that much of the volume is unusable , but there 's no reason they ca n't be constructed reliably .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
That's nothing.
Fuller proposed a dome over Manhattan.
[mcachicago.org] Now that would have been something.
Domes have a bad reputation, for the wrong reasons.
Domes with factory-manufactured parts protected big radar antennas in the Arctic for decades.
Those worked fine.
"Hippie domes" made of "natural materials" didn't.
The bad rep comes from the Domebook 1 and 2 [shelterpub.com] people.
Their idea of a dome was a frame covered with shingles on the outside and wallboard on the inside, like a wood-framed house.
Trying to make flat components to fit a dome on site was a disaster.
Fuller had the right idea; you make all the parts in a factory, where you can hold tolerances, and assemble on site.
The way small domes should have worked is with triangular standardized inserts - windows, solid walls, vents, wall sections with utility ducts, etc.
The sections would be several inches thick, with proper insulation and gaskets.
Once the frame was up (the easy part) assembly would consist of putting the inserts into the dome's triangles.
You need enough volume to support the manufacturing needed to do this.
That's the problem the amateurs ran into.
Domes still have the problem that much of the volume is unusable, but there's no reason they can't be constructed reliably.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033592</id>
	<title>Re:I dunno, man. Snow is heavy</title>
	<author>apoc.famine</author>
	<datestamp>1257785400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The general rule of thumb is 10" of snow = 1" of rain. It can vary widely from this, as powder is far different than heavy wet snow, but you can use it for a general estimate. <br>
&nbsp; <br>Our other domes in the world suggest this is possible. However, as you've pointed...around....balancing the forces on this would be tough. In VT (born and raised there) It's not unheard of to have a 40 degree shift in temperature over 24 hrs. 20-30 degrees F is very common. That alone would put significant strain on a structure buoyed by warm air. The buoyant force on a parcel of air is proportional to the difference in temperature with its surroundings. [(T-T')/T', in K] A quick, back-of-the-envelope calculations suggest that a change in buoyant force of 8\% wouldn't be uncommon within 24 hrs. That's a huge change for a structure to withstand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The general rule of thumb is 10 " of snow = 1 " of rain .
It can vary widely from this , as powder is far different than heavy wet snow , but you can use it for a general estimate .
  Our other domes in the world suggest this is possible .
However , as you 've pointed...around....balancing the forces on this would be tough .
In VT ( born and raised there ) It 's not unheard of to have a 40 degree shift in temperature over 24 hrs .
20-30 degrees F is very common .
That alone would put significant strain on a structure buoyed by warm air .
The buoyant force on a parcel of air is proportional to the difference in temperature with its surroundings .
[ ( T-T ' ) /T ' , in K ] A quick , back-of-the-envelope calculations suggest that a change in buoyant force of 8 \ % would n't be uncommon within 24 hrs .
That 's a huge change for a structure to withstand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The general rule of thumb is 10" of snow = 1" of rain.
It can vary widely from this, as powder is far different than heavy wet snow, but you can use it for a general estimate.
  Our other domes in the world suggest this is possible.
However, as you've pointed...around....balancing the forces on this would be tough.
In VT (born and raised there) It's not unheard of to have a 40 degree shift in temperature over 24 hrs.
20-30 degrees F is very common.
That alone would put significant strain on a structure buoyed by warm air.
The buoyant force on a parcel of air is proportional to the difference in temperature with its surroundings.
[(T-T')/T', in K] A quick, back-of-the-envelope calculations suggest that a change in buoyant force of 8\% wouldn't be uncommon within 24 hrs.
That's a huge change for a structure to withstand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033178</id>
	<title>Coolio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257783720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My inner geek is salivating about this! I'd really love to see something like this happen, it would just be so awesomely exciting! Perhaps they should get in touch with the people @ http://www.dubli.com. They're pretty good at making things come true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My inner geek is salivating about this !
I 'd really love to see something like this happen , it would just be so awesomely exciting !
Perhaps they should get in touch with the people @ http : //www.dubli.com .
They 're pretty good at making things come true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My inner geek is salivating about this!
I'd really love to see something like this happen, it would just be so awesomely exciting!
Perhaps they should get in touch with the people @ http://www.dubli.com.
They're pretty good at making things come true.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032640</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257781620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The heating costs wouldn't be as bad because you get a lot of thermal energy stored in the ground from the sun during the day.</p><p>Effectively you are just manually replicating the greenhouse effect.</p><p>It's something I've experimented with my greenhouse (as I live in the UK and grow tropical plants which must be kept at a minimum of 15c all year around). It's suprising how effective storage of heat in the ground and such actually is and I also now keep water cooler sized bottles of water around the greenhouse walkway and under the staging through the winter to hold sun during the day which is then released through the night, it's not a massive change, but it has certainly made a measurable difference to my electric heating costs- my thermostat based electric heaters now need to come on for much less time through the night.</p><p>I'm sure there's actually probably a better substance than water for the purpose, but this was really just a small experiment. I can certainly see though from this how harnessing natural heat storage of pavements, ponds, roads, rivers, outer walls of buildings and so on could all hold heat built up during the day from the sun to drastically help heat such a dome through the night.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The heating costs would n't be as bad because you get a lot of thermal energy stored in the ground from the sun during the day.Effectively you are just manually replicating the greenhouse effect.It 's something I 've experimented with my greenhouse ( as I live in the UK and grow tropical plants which must be kept at a minimum of 15c all year around ) .
It 's suprising how effective storage of heat in the ground and such actually is and I also now keep water cooler sized bottles of water around the greenhouse walkway and under the staging through the winter to hold sun during the day which is then released through the night , it 's not a massive change , but it has certainly made a measurable difference to my electric heating costs- my thermostat based electric heaters now need to come on for much less time through the night.I 'm sure there 's actually probably a better substance than water for the purpose , but this was really just a small experiment .
I can certainly see though from this how harnessing natural heat storage of pavements , ponds , roads , rivers , outer walls of buildings and so on could all hold heat built up during the day from the sun to drastically help heat such a dome through the night .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The heating costs wouldn't be as bad because you get a lot of thermal energy stored in the ground from the sun during the day.Effectively you are just manually replicating the greenhouse effect.It's something I've experimented with my greenhouse (as I live in the UK and grow tropical plants which must be kept at a minimum of 15c all year around).
It's suprising how effective storage of heat in the ground and such actually is and I also now keep water cooler sized bottles of water around the greenhouse walkway and under the staging through the winter to hold sun during the day which is then released through the night, it's not a massive change, but it has certainly made a measurable difference to my electric heating costs- my thermostat based electric heaters now need to come on for much less time through the night.I'm sure there's actually probably a better substance than water for the purpose, but this was really just a small experiment.
I can certainly see though from this how harnessing natural heat storage of pavements, ponds, roads, rivers, outer walls of buildings and so on could all hold heat built up during the day from the sun to drastically help heat such a dome through the night.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032150</id>
	<title>Re:Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257779580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Water needs?  A <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s\_q&amp;hl=en&amp;q=Winooski,+Chittenden,+Vermont&amp;sll=37.0625,-95.677068&amp;sspn=37.956457,56.513672&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;cd=1&amp;geocode=Fa7ipgIdbUaj-w&amp;split=0&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Winooski,+Chittenden,+Vermont&amp;ll=44.488025,-73.189459&amp;spn=0.016716,0.043945&amp;t=p&amp;z=15" title="google.com">river runs through downtown</a> [google.com].</p><p>Plus, as the owner of a house with a leaky roof and a lawn that needs mowing, I say FUCK the plants.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Water needs ?
A river runs through downtown [ google.com ] .Plus , as the owner of a house with a leaky roof and a lawn that needs mowing , I say FUCK the plants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Water needs?
A river runs through downtown [google.com].Plus, as the owner of a house with a leaky roof and a lawn that needs mowing, I say FUCK the plants.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30037016</id>
	<title>Vermin?</title>
	<author>RabidMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1257799320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing I thought of is what about things like cockroaches/termites/bees/ants/etc<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... things we sometimes consider to be vermin.  In a northern climate, winter is good at keeping these populations under control, but if you take away winter...</p><p>As a Canadian, I'm glad that I don't have to worry about roaches/termites like people further south do.  Bring on the snow!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing I thought of is what about things like cockroaches/termites/bees/ants/etc ... things we sometimes consider to be vermin .
In a northern climate , winter is good at keeping these populations under control , but if you take away winter...As a Canadian , I 'm glad that I do n't have to worry about roaches/termites like people further south do .
Bring on the snow !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing I thought of is what about things like cockroaches/termites/bees/ants/etc ... things we sometimes consider to be vermin.
In a northern climate, winter is good at keeping these populations under control, but if you take away winter...As a Canadian, I'm glad that I don't have to worry about roaches/termites like people further south do.
Bring on the snow!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30033714</id>
	<title>Re:Dupe!</title>
	<author>nervouscat</author>
	<datestamp>1257786000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Springfield! D'oh!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Springfield !
D'oh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Springfield!
D'oh!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30044800</id>
	<title>Suffocation</title>
	<author>Theoboley</author>
	<datestamp>1257864420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not only lack of oxygen, but cars + carbon minoxide emissions... yea I see 7000 people dead in months.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only lack of oxygen , but cars + carbon minoxide emissions... yea I see 7000 people dead in months .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only lack of oxygen, but cars + carbon minoxide emissions... yea I see 7000 people dead in months.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30045402</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257867780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a better substance than water, but water is far cheaper.  Basically a special wax that "freezes" at 16C will release a load of heat when your target 15C is reached.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a better substance than water , but water is far cheaper .
Basically a special wax that " freezes " at 16C will release a load of heat when your target 15C is reached .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a better substance than water, but water is far cheaper.
Basically a special wax that "freezes" at 16C will release a load of heat when your target 15C is reached.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032640</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032334</id>
	<title>Re:Rain? Insects? Birds?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257780420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>large cisterns collecting water runoff at the perimeter would solve the issue of sourcing the water.  piping it into the dome could be gravity feed.  Then all you need pumps for is the lift to the sprinklers.  </p><p> Insects could be brought in as needed.  Birds could be supported as well.  Migratory birds would be excluded; or, simply stay as they do here in south-east Virginia now that they've found the artificially warmed climate to be to their liking.  (plenty of Ducks and Geese can't be bothered to fly south here)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>large cisterns collecting water runoff at the perimeter would solve the issue of sourcing the water .
piping it into the dome could be gravity feed .
Then all you need pumps for is the lift to the sprinklers .
Insects could be brought in as needed .
Birds could be supported as well .
Migratory birds would be excluded ; or , simply stay as they do here in south-east Virginia now that they 've found the artificially warmed climate to be to their liking .
( plenty of Ducks and Geese ca n't be bothered to fly south here )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>large cisterns collecting water runoff at the perimeter would solve the issue of sourcing the water.
piping it into the dome could be gravity feed.
Then all you need pumps for is the lift to the sprinklers.
Insects could be brought in as needed.
Birds could be supported as well.
Migratory birds would be excluded; or, simply stay as they do here in south-east Virginia now that they've found the artificially warmed climate to be to their liking.
(plenty of Ducks and Geese can't be bothered to fly south here)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30031928</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034650</id>
	<title>Re:Lessons From Biosphere II</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257789600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There are so many ways this could go wrong.</p></div><p>I don't live there.</p><p>I say let them do it and let's see what happens!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are so many ways this could go wrong.I do n't live there.I say let them do it and let 's see what happens !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are so many ways this could go wrong.I don't live there.I say let them do it and let's see what happens!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032178</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30035036</id>
	<title>Re:Dupe!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257791160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The first thing that sprang to my mind was the Simpsons movie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first thing that sprang to my mind was the Simpsons movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first thing that sprang to my mind was the Simpsons movie.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30031942</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30056438</id>
	<title>Yeah we "almost" had universal health care too.</title>
	<author>totallymike</author>
	<datestamp>1257876780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I live in Winooski, VT, the city in which the dome was presented.

It never held water.  It was entertained briefly but shut down quickly.  Interestingly enough, the story made news world-wide, and I've heard of history books in other countries mentioning it as something that actually happened.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Winooski , VT , the city in which the dome was presented .
It never held water .
It was entertained briefly but shut down quickly .
Interestingly enough , the story made news world-wide , and I 've heard of history books in other countries mentioning it as something that actually happened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Winooski, VT, the city in which the dome was presented.
It never held water.
It was entertained briefly but shut down quickly.
Interestingly enough, the story made news world-wide, and I've heard of history books in other countries mentioning it as something that actually happened.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30038682</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>clone53421</author>
	<datestamp>1257763080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doesn't matter how hot or cold you want to keep it... the math I did was for converting snow, at 32 degrees F, to water, also at 32 degrees F. Just to change the phase requires that much energy; increasing the temperature of the water any further would of course require an additional 1 calorie per gram of water, but you could bring the water from 32 degrees to 110 degrees for about the same energy cost as it took to melt it in the first place.</p><p>Whatever temperature you want to keep the dome, you definitely don't want to be melting any snow with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't matter how hot or cold you want to keep it... the math I did was for converting snow , at 32 degrees F , to water , also at 32 degrees F. Just to change the phase requires that much energy ; increasing the temperature of the water any further would of course require an additional 1 calorie per gram of water , but you could bring the water from 32 degrees to 110 degrees for about the same energy cost as it took to melt it in the first place.Whatever temperature you want to keep the dome , you definitely do n't want to be melting any snow with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't matter how hot or cold you want to keep it... the math I did was for converting snow, at 32 degrees F, to water, also at 32 degrees F. Just to change the phase requires that much energy; increasing the temperature of the water any further would of course require an additional 1 calorie per gram of water, but you could bring the water from 32 degrees to 110 degrees for about the same energy cost as it took to melt it in the first place.Whatever temperature you want to keep the dome, you definitely don't want to be melting any snow with it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30038394</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032094</id>
	<title>Tuman Show?</title>
	<author>Kleppy</author>
	<datestamp>1257779280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does this mean they get a reality show too?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this mean they get a reality show too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this mean they get a reality show too?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30031942</id>
	<title>Dupe!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257778440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Didn't they try something like this in Springfield? (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpsons\_Movie" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpsons\_Movie</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't they try something like this in Springfield ?
( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpsons \ _Movie [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't they try something like this in Springfield?
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpsons\_Movie [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30031970</id>
	<title>No rain</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257778560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>No rain though, that's a plus if you live in the city and don't have a lawn. I'm sure you can have birds and insects inside the dome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No rain though , that 's a plus if you live in the city and do n't have a lawn .
I 'm sure you can have birds and insects inside the dome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No rain though, that's a plus if you live in the city and don't have a lawn.
I'm sure you can have birds and insects inside the dome.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30035536</id>
	<title>Re:I love this idea, but it's STOOOOOOPID</title>
	<author>not-my-real-name</author>
	<datestamp>1257793080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>-One punk with a gun decides to piss on everybody's day.</p><p>-The expenses of building such a thing would be astronomical.  Before even taking into account the dome itself, just building an air-tight wall around the city would pose ridiculously complex (and expensive) engineering challenges. </p></div><p>There's no need for an airtight wall around the city.  All you need is a bubble of above ambient temperature air under the dome to hold it up.  Take a look at a hot air balloon.  It's a similar principle.  By the same token, bullet holes in the dome would have minimal effect.</p><p>In addition, without the airtight wall, the insects and birds can easily go in and out.</p><p>Just remember, a dome over the city doesn't mean that the city is hermetically sealed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>-One punk with a gun decides to piss on everybody 's day.-The expenses of building such a thing would be astronomical .
Before even taking into account the dome itself , just building an air-tight wall around the city would pose ridiculously complex ( and expensive ) engineering challenges .
There 's no need for an airtight wall around the city .
All you need is a bubble of above ambient temperature air under the dome to hold it up .
Take a look at a hot air balloon .
It 's a similar principle .
By the same token , bullet holes in the dome would have minimal effect.In addition , without the airtight wall , the insects and birds can easily go in and out.Just remember , a dome over the city does n't mean that the city is hermetically sealed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-One punk with a gun decides to piss on everybody's day.-The expenses of building such a thing would be astronomical.
Before even taking into account the dome itself, just building an air-tight wall around the city would pose ridiculously complex (and expensive) engineering challenges.
There's no need for an airtight wall around the city.
All you need is a bubble of above ambient temperature air under the dome to hold it up.
Take a look at a hot air balloon.
It's a similar principle.
By the same token, bullet holes in the dome would have minimal effect.In addition, without the airtight wall, the insects and birds can easily go in and out.Just remember, a dome over the city doesn't mean that the city is hermetically sealed.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30032834</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_1317223.30034594</id>
	<title>Artist Rendition</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257789360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love the artists rendition in the full article.  I grew up in Essex Jct, bordering village next to Winooski.  There is not a flat piece of land anywhere in Winooski.  So it is very interesting to me that the artists rendition seems to somewhat flat ground.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love the artists rendition in the full article .
I grew up in Essex Jct , bordering village next to Winooski .
There is not a flat piece of land anywhere in Winooski .
So it is very interesting to me that the artists rendition seems to somewhat flat ground .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love the artists rendition in the full article.
I grew up in Essex Jct, bordering village next to Winooski.
There is not a flat piece of land anywhere in Winooski.
So it is very interesting to me that the artists rendition seems to somewhat flat ground.</sentencetext>
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