<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_09_068255</id>
	<title>Verizon Droid Tethering Comes At a Hefty Price</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1257771300000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/slashdot/" rel="nofollow">Pickens</a> writes <i>"Tom Bradley reports in PC World that the new Motorola Droid smartphone will cost users $199.99 with a 2-year contract, with an additional $30 per month for the mandatory 'unlimited' data plan that has a monthly cap of 5Gb. Verizon will charge $50 for each additional gigabyte over the 5Gb limit on the unlimited data plan. Verizon has confirmed that tethering will cost another <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/181590/verizon\_droid\_tethering\_will\_cost\_you.html">$30 per month for an additional unlimited data plan that is also limited to 5Gb</a>. If you want tethering you will pay $60 above and beyond the monthly contract for service for an 'unlimited' 10Gb of data per month, and if you plan on connecting with an Microsoft Exchange email account you have to pay another $15 a month. 'Verizon seems to be doing everything it can to make the Droid as unappealing as possible by nickel and diming customers so that actually using it is not cost-effective,' writes Bradley. 'After all of the hype around Verizon's marketing efforts, and generally favorable reviews of the Motorola Droid, users that rush out to get the new device may be in for a shock.' Droid users will <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/11/05/urnidgns852573C4006938800025766500569DF0.DTL">have to wait until sometime in 2010 for tethering</a>. 'That service is on our schedule for next year,' says Verizon spokeswoman Brenda Raney. The delay is because 'the service has to be tested on the phone so until we know it works, we don't offer the service. It is not uncommon for us to introduce the phone and continue to test the service and offer it later.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pickens writes " Tom Bradley reports in PC World that the new Motorola Droid smartphone will cost users $ 199.99 with a 2-year contract , with an additional $ 30 per month for the mandatory 'unlimited ' data plan that has a monthly cap of 5Gb .
Verizon will charge $ 50 for each additional gigabyte over the 5Gb limit on the unlimited data plan .
Verizon has confirmed that tethering will cost another $ 30 per month for an additional unlimited data plan that is also limited to 5Gb .
If you want tethering you will pay $ 60 above and beyond the monthly contract for service for an 'unlimited ' 10Gb of data per month , and if you plan on connecting with an Microsoft Exchange email account you have to pay another $ 15 a month .
'Verizon seems to be doing everything it can to make the Droid as unappealing as possible by nickel and diming customers so that actually using it is not cost-effective, ' writes Bradley .
'After all of the hype around Verizon 's marketing efforts , and generally favorable reviews of the Motorola Droid , users that rush out to get the new device may be in for a shock .
' Droid users will have to wait until sometime in 2010 for tethering .
'That service is on our schedule for next year, ' says Verizon spokeswoman Brenda Raney .
The delay is because 'the service has to be tested on the phone so until we know it works , we do n't offer the service .
It is not uncommon for us to introduce the phone and continue to test the service and offer it later .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pickens writes "Tom Bradley reports in PC World that the new Motorola Droid smartphone will cost users $199.99 with a 2-year contract, with an additional $30 per month for the mandatory 'unlimited' data plan that has a monthly cap of 5Gb.
Verizon will charge $50 for each additional gigabyte over the 5Gb limit on the unlimited data plan.
Verizon has confirmed that tethering will cost another $30 per month for an additional unlimited data plan that is also limited to 5Gb.
If you want tethering you will pay $60 above and beyond the monthly contract for service for an 'unlimited' 10Gb of data per month, and if you plan on connecting with an Microsoft Exchange email account you have to pay another $15 a month.
'Verizon seems to be doing everything it can to make the Droid as unappealing as possible by nickel and diming customers so that actually using it is not cost-effective,' writes Bradley.
'After all of the hype around Verizon's marketing efforts, and generally favorable reviews of the Motorola Droid, users that rush out to get the new device may be in for a shock.
' Droid users will have to wait until sometime in 2010 for tethering.
'That service is on our schedule for next year,' says Verizon spokeswoman Brenda Raney.
The delay is because 'the service has to be tested on the phone so until we know it works, we don't offer the service.
It is not uncommon for us to introduce the phone and continue to test the service and offer it later.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034164</id>
	<title>$30 for first 5GB, $250 for next 5GB</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257787680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, it's $30 for the first 5GB and $250 for the next 5GB?  That's quite an expensive unlimited plan!  Hope is this fair?  Oh wait, we're talking about cell phone companies - fair doesn't come into play!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , it 's $ 30 for the first 5GB and $ 250 for the next 5GB ?
That 's quite an expensive unlimited plan !
Hope is this fair ?
Oh wait , we 're talking about cell phone companies - fair does n't come into play !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, it's $30 for the first 5GB and $250 for the next 5GB?
That's quite an expensive unlimited plan!
Hope is this fair?
Oh wait, we're talking about cell phone companies - fair doesn't come into play!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032802</id>
	<title>Re:How will they enforce it?</title>
	<author>in\_ur\_face</author>
	<datestamp>1257782220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tethering apps already exist (for windows OS):  <a href="http://junefabrics.com/android/index.php" title="junefabrics.com" rel="nofollow">http://junefabrics.com/android/index.php</a> [junefabrics.com]

New! Version 2.02 PR supports all new Android phones including Motorola Droid/Cliq, Samsung Galaxy/Moment and HTC Hero/Eris.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tethering apps already exist ( for windows OS ) : http : //junefabrics.com/android/index.php [ junefabrics.com ] New !
Version 2.02 PR supports all new Android phones including Motorola Droid/Cliq , Samsung Galaxy/Moment and HTC Hero/Eris .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tethering apps already exist (for windows OS):  http://junefabrics.com/android/index.php [junefabrics.com]

New!
Version 2.02 PR supports all new Android phones including Motorola Droid/Cliq, Samsung Galaxy/Moment and HTC Hero/Eris.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031636</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033046</id>
	<title>5 Gb?? or 5 GB!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257783180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this MEGABITS or MEGABYTES?  Mb = bits, MB = bytes, HUGE ass difference bucko!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this MEGABITS or MEGABYTES ?
Mb = bits , MB = bytes , HUGE ass difference bucko !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this MEGABITS or MEGABYTES?
Mb = bits, MB = bytes, HUGE ass difference bucko!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031888</id>
	<title>Verizon customers on Droid:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257778080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Can you gouge me now?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Can you gouge me now ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Can you gouge me now?
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031518</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257775800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pretty much.  My fiancee and I will be combining our accounts next spring (she has AT&amp;T, I have Verizon), and AT&amp;T is sort of our default because both of our families use AT&amp;T.  We want smart phones, not necessarily the iPhone, and I was excited about the Droid.  I should have expected that Verizon would come up with an 'unlimited' but capped at 5 GB plan.  Guess it'll be the iPhone after all.

</p><p>I really do want to be able to tether, because we occasionally travel and don't have WiFi access and I want to use the laptop.  But I've survived this long without tethering, and a smart phone will be enough for light web browsing and email.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty much .
My fiancee and I will be combining our accounts next spring ( she has AT&amp;T , I have Verizon ) , and AT&amp;T is sort of our default because both of our families use AT&amp;T .
We want smart phones , not necessarily the iPhone , and I was excited about the Droid .
I should have expected that Verizon would come up with an 'unlimited ' but capped at 5 GB plan .
Guess it 'll be the iPhone after all .
I really do want to be able to tether , because we occasionally travel and do n't have WiFi access and I want to use the laptop .
But I 've survived this long without tethering , and a smart phone will be enough for light web browsing and email .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty much.
My fiancee and I will be combining our accounts next spring (she has AT&amp;T, I have Verizon), and AT&amp;T is sort of our default because both of our families use AT&amp;T.
We want smart phones, not necessarily the iPhone, and I was excited about the Droid.
I should have expected that Verizon would come up with an 'unlimited' but capped at 5 GB plan.
Guess it'll be the iPhone after all.
I really do want to be able to tether, because we occasionally travel and don't have WiFi access and I want to use the laptop.
But I've survived this long without tethering, and a smart phone will be enough for light web browsing and email.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031422</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031818</id>
	<title>Wrong Information</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257777660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This crap has been circling the web and it's not completely accurate. With the <a href="http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/featurePopup?item=phoneFirst&amp;featureType=phone&amp;featureId=3066" title="verizonwireless.com">$30</a> [verizonwireless.com] and <a href="http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/featurePopup?item=phoneFirst&amp;featureType=phone&amp;featureId=2547" title="verizonwireless.com">$45</a> [verizonwireless.com] data plans for smartphones, you get <a href="http://support.vzw.com/terms/products/broadbandaccess\_nationalaccess.html" title="vzw.com">unlimited data for the phone itself</a> [vzw.com]. If you want to tether, it's an additional $30 for the $30 plan or $15 for the $45 plan and will allow you 5GB of tethered data and unlimited on the phone. In any case, if you want to tether and be within their TOS, you need to pay $60. It's still possible to tether without the extra cost and their software, it's just not within their TOS
<br> <br>
The difference between the $30 and $45 data plan isn't documented well and leads to a lot of confusion. I fault VZW for not getting this strait. All the $45 gets you is access their WirelessSync service and supposedly allow you to do Exchange ActiveSync within the TOS. <b>The $30 plan CAN DO Exchange ActiveSync</b>, but it's supposedly not ok within their poorly documented TOS and every VZW employee will tell you that you need the $45 plan if you're going to do Exchange ActiveSync.
<br> <br>
If you do use a lot of data on your phone, VZW can cancel your data account according to their TOS. I've used &gt;5GB/month without a peep from VZW and any additional charge on my bill. It has been said in HoFo, if the data usage is extreme by VZW opionion, they could consider that your must be doing something that's violating the TOS. If VZW was smart, they wouldn't do much canceling since they're launching a bunch of Android phones and saying streaming YouTube and music is ok, which obviously will soak up a lot of bandwidth.
<br> <br>
I suggest that Pickens and the article author do some fact checking before publishing assumptions and hearsay.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This crap has been circling the web and it 's not completely accurate .
With the $ 30 [ verizonwireless.com ] and $ 45 [ verizonwireless.com ] data plans for smartphones , you get unlimited data for the phone itself [ vzw.com ] .
If you want to tether , it 's an additional $ 30 for the $ 30 plan or $ 15 for the $ 45 plan and will allow you 5GB of tethered data and unlimited on the phone .
In any case , if you want to tether and be within their TOS , you need to pay $ 60 .
It 's still possible to tether without the extra cost and their software , it 's just not within their TOS The difference between the $ 30 and $ 45 data plan is n't documented well and leads to a lot of confusion .
I fault VZW for not getting this strait .
All the $ 45 gets you is access their WirelessSync service and supposedly allow you to do Exchange ActiveSync within the TOS .
The $ 30 plan CAN DO Exchange ActiveSync , but it 's supposedly not ok within their poorly documented TOS and every VZW employee will tell you that you need the $ 45 plan if you 're going to do Exchange ActiveSync .
If you do use a lot of data on your phone , VZW can cancel your data account according to their TOS .
I 've used &gt; 5GB/month without a peep from VZW and any additional charge on my bill .
It has been said in HoFo , if the data usage is extreme by VZW opionion , they could consider that your must be doing something that 's violating the TOS .
If VZW was smart , they would n't do much canceling since they 're launching a bunch of Android phones and saying streaming YouTube and music is ok , which obviously will soak up a lot of bandwidth .
I suggest that Pickens and the article author do some fact checking before publishing assumptions and hearsay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This crap has been circling the web and it's not completely accurate.
With the $30 [verizonwireless.com] and $45 [verizonwireless.com] data plans for smartphones, you get unlimited data for the phone itself [vzw.com].
If you want to tether, it's an additional $30 for the $30 plan or $15 for the $45 plan and will allow you 5GB of tethered data and unlimited on the phone.
In any case, if you want to tether and be within their TOS, you need to pay $60.
It's still possible to tether without the extra cost and their software, it's just not within their TOS
 
The difference between the $30 and $45 data plan isn't documented well and leads to a lot of confusion.
I fault VZW for not getting this strait.
All the $45 gets you is access their WirelessSync service and supposedly allow you to do Exchange ActiveSync within the TOS.
The $30 plan CAN DO Exchange ActiveSync, but it's supposedly not ok within their poorly documented TOS and every VZW employee will tell you that you need the $45 plan if you're going to do Exchange ActiveSync.
If you do use a lot of data on your phone, VZW can cancel your data account according to their TOS.
I've used &gt;5GB/month without a peep from VZW and any additional charge on my bill.
It has been said in HoFo, if the data usage is extreme by VZW opionion, they could consider that your must be doing something that's violating the TOS.
If VZW was smart, they wouldn't do much canceling since they're launching a bunch of Android phones and saying streaming YouTube and music is ok, which obviously will soak up a lot of bandwidth.
I suggest that Pickens and the article author do some fact checking before publishing assumptions and hearsay.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035914</id>
	<title>Re:Why the sudden outrage?</title>
	<author>jeffmeden</author>
	<datestamp>1257794520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Verizon refers to the base plan as "unlimited" with some shifty words about how using more than 5GB/mo constitutes excessive use.  Not that it's right or moral, but it is what it is.  Now, have you ever even gotten close to the 5GB/mo limit (without using something like Tetherberry or downloading every podcast on the internet)?</p><p>I know I haven't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Verizon refers to the base plan as " unlimited " with some shifty words about how using more than 5GB/mo constitutes excessive use .
Not that it 's right or moral , but it is what it is .
Now , have you ever even gotten close to the 5GB/mo limit ( without using something like Tetherberry or downloading every podcast on the internet ) ? I know I have n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Verizon refers to the base plan as "unlimited" with some shifty words about how using more than 5GB/mo constitutes excessive use.
Not that it's right or moral, but it is what it is.
Now, have you ever even gotten close to the 5GB/mo limit (without using something like Tetherberry or downloading every podcast on the internet)?I know I haven't.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031786</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033530</id>
	<title>Re:Why the sudden outrage?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257785100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For me it's not sudden. It's been an annoyance for ages, just like marketeers promising "guarantees" that turn out to have been an empty phrase after all. Abusing language by conspiring to make previously meaningful phrases meaningless is one of those things that gave marketeering its well-deserved bad name. Don't do that, for it is irresponsible and bad for your customers, so ultimately bad for you. Don't believe me? What company can succeed without customers?</p><p>Being on a different continent and not interested in that gadget (gasp!), the everybody wants to buy argument doesn't go for me. And yes, I made the "outraged" comment. Still, one has to hit the iron while it's hot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For me it 's not sudden .
It 's been an annoyance for ages , just like marketeers promising " guarantees " that turn out to have been an empty phrase after all .
Abusing language by conspiring to make previously meaningful phrases meaningless is one of those things that gave marketeering its well-deserved bad name .
Do n't do that , for it is irresponsible and bad for your customers , so ultimately bad for you .
Do n't believe me ?
What company can succeed without customers ? Being on a different continent and not interested in that gadget ( gasp !
) , the everybody wants to buy argument does n't go for me .
And yes , I made the " outraged " comment .
Still , one has to hit the iron while it 's hot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me it's not sudden.
It's been an annoyance for ages, just like marketeers promising "guarantees" that turn out to have been an empty phrase after all.
Abusing language by conspiring to make previously meaningful phrases meaningless is one of those things that gave marketeering its well-deserved bad name.
Don't do that, for it is irresponsible and bad for your customers, so ultimately bad for you.
Don't believe me?
What company can succeed without customers?Being on a different continent and not interested in that gadget (gasp!
), the everybody wants to buy argument doesn't go for me.
And yes, I made the "outraged" comment.
Still, one has to hit the iron while it's hot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031786</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031966</id>
	<title>Re:It'd be nice if they stopped lying.</title>
	<author>cybiko123</author>
	<datestamp>1257778560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From what I've seen, the average total throughput (download plus upload) is around 900 kilobits per second.

Convert that to gigabytes and you get 0.000107288361.

0.000107288361 * 60 seconds * 60 minutes * 24 hours * 30 days = around 278.1 gigabytes.

So yes, it's certainly possible to go over 5 GB in a month.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I 've seen , the average total throughput ( download plus upload ) is around 900 kilobits per second .
Convert that to gigabytes and you get 0.000107288361 .
0.000107288361 * 60 seconds * 60 minutes * 24 hours * 30 days = around 278.1 gigabytes .
So yes , it 's certainly possible to go over 5 GB in a month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I've seen, the average total throughput (download plus upload) is around 900 kilobits per second.
Convert that to gigabytes and you get 0.000107288361.
0.000107288361 * 60 seconds * 60 minutes * 24 hours * 30 days = around 278.1 gigabytes.
So yes, it's certainly possible to go over 5 GB in a month.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031776</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034526</id>
	<title>**AHEM**</title>
	<author>rocketPack</author>
	<datestamp>1257789120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1408685&amp;cid=29784331" title="slashdot.org">Oh no, nobody saw <i>this</i> coming!</a> [slashdot.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh no , nobody saw this coming !
[ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh no, nobody saw this coming!
[slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30044894</id>
	<title>Fact Check For Idiots.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257865020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tethering through a mobile phone generally results in Big Red not able to determine what was tethered and what was actually used through the device itself.</p><p>That said, $59.99 for 5GB/month with $.05/MB over is not unreasonable.  I don't think people realize that cellco's don't operate an unlimited network.  It's capped because they can't just let go all their bandwidth for it.  When Verizon launches LTE, they'll have more bandwidth AND speed, but who knows if they change their plans.  I imagine they will increase the caps.</p><p>All this bickering about Fraud.  You people are idiots.</p><p>Verizon has never advertised their MoBro plans as unlimited.  If they have, then you're probably at an indirect location and should be going to a corporate store.  On all your receipts of plan interactions, on your MyVZW accounts through vzw.com, all the limits are listed there right in your plan.</p><p>Just saying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tethering through a mobile phone generally results in Big Red not able to determine what was tethered and what was actually used through the device itself.That said , $ 59.99 for 5GB/month with $ .05/MB over is not unreasonable .
I do n't think people realize that cellco 's do n't operate an unlimited network .
It 's capped because they ca n't just let go all their bandwidth for it .
When Verizon launches LTE , they 'll have more bandwidth AND speed , but who knows if they change their plans .
I imagine they will increase the caps.All this bickering about Fraud .
You people are idiots.Verizon has never advertised their MoBro plans as unlimited .
If they have , then you 're probably at an indirect location and should be going to a corporate store .
On all your receipts of plan interactions , on your MyVZW accounts through vzw.com , all the limits are listed there right in your plan.Just saying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tethering through a mobile phone generally results in Big Red not able to determine what was tethered and what was actually used through the device itself.That said, $59.99 for 5GB/month with $.05/MB over is not unreasonable.
I don't think people realize that cellco's don't operate an unlimited network.
It's capped because they can't just let go all their bandwidth for it.
When Verizon launches LTE, they'll have more bandwidth AND speed, but who knows if they change their plans.
I imagine they will increase the caps.All this bickering about Fraud.
You people are idiots.Verizon has never advertised their MoBro plans as unlimited.
If they have, then you're probably at an indirect location and should be going to a corporate store.
On all your receipts of plan interactions, on your MyVZW accounts through vzw.com, all the limits are listed there right in your plan.Just saying.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30038474</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257762300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AT&amp;T has a 5GB cap as well.  Just FYI.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T has a 5GB cap as well .
Just FYI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T has a 5GB cap as well.
Just FYI.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031518</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032346</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Information</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257780480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fact checking? on slashdot? You must be new here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fact checking ?
on slashdot ?
You must be new here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fact checking?
on slashdot?
You must be new here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031818</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033054</id>
	<title>Droid tethering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257783240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jawas did it with R2d2</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jawas did it with R2d2</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jawas did it with R2d2</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034522</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Information</title>
	<author>recharged95</author>
	<datestamp>1257789060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Has anyone check all of PCWorlds blogs and articles of the last 3 days?
<br>
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From the tone, style and opinions on all, and I mean ALL articles about the Droid or VZW: they are all negative to the point for spreading FUD. I rather call it an anti-Droid campaign. The blogs are plainly bias (<i>"I'm keeping my iPhone FTW!"</i>)
<br>
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And yes, this post and OP need a mod down to reality, cause my buddy's Droid Eris connects and send/receives Exchange mail from a Fortune 500 corporate server on the 30$ plan. and the tether rates are the same on a BB on VZW, nothing new here, please move along...
<br>
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Also, at least VZW is going to support tethering and the 5GB is likely realistic: I doubt you would pull 1GB from an iPhone on AT&amp;T's network, either the iPhone would run out of battery or you'd lose AT&amp;T's connection 9/10 times. How's that for a different look at the situation.<p><div class="quote"><p>"I suggest that Pickens and the article author do some fact checking before publishing assumptions and hearsay."</p></div><p>You should read their blogs, talk about LOL like the world will end if you get a Droid... and should stick with an iPhone.
</p><p>
Being PCWorld, I wonder what's going to be their bias when the HD2 comes out.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Has anyone check all of PCWorlds blogs and articles of the last 3 days ?
From the tone , style and opinions on all , and I mean ALL articles about the Droid or VZW : they are all negative to the point for spreading FUD .
I rather call it an anti-Droid campaign .
The blogs are plainly bias ( " I 'm keeping my iPhone FTW !
" ) And yes , this post and OP need a mod down to reality , cause my buddy 's Droid Eris connects and send/receives Exchange mail from a Fortune 500 corporate server on the 30 $ plan .
and the tether rates are the same on a BB on VZW , nothing new here , please move along.. . Also , at least VZW is going to support tethering and the 5GB is likely realistic : I doubt you would pull 1GB from an iPhone on AT&amp;T 's network , either the iPhone would run out of battery or you 'd lose AT&amp;T 's connection 9/10 times .
How 's that for a different look at the situation .
" I suggest that Pickens and the article author do some fact checking before publishing assumptions and hearsay .
" You should read their blogs , talk about LOL like the world will end if you get a Droid... and should stick with an iPhone .
Being PCWorld , I wonder what 's going to be their bias when the HD2 comes out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone check all of PCWorlds blogs and articles of the last 3 days?
From the tone, style and opinions on all, and I mean ALL articles about the Droid or VZW: they are all negative to the point for spreading FUD.
I rather call it an anti-Droid campaign.
The blogs are plainly bias ("I'm keeping my iPhone FTW!
")


And yes, this post and OP need a mod down to reality, cause my buddy's Droid Eris connects and send/receives Exchange mail from a Fortune 500 corporate server on the 30$ plan.
and the tether rates are the same on a BB on VZW, nothing new here, please move along...


Also, at least VZW is going to support tethering and the 5GB is likely realistic: I doubt you would pull 1GB from an iPhone on AT&amp;T's network, either the iPhone would run out of battery or you'd lose AT&amp;T's connection 9/10 times.
How's that for a different look at the situation.
"I suggest that Pickens and the article author do some fact checking before publishing assumptions and hearsay.
"You should read their blogs, talk about LOL like the world will end if you get a Droid... and should stick with an iPhone.
Being PCWorld, I wonder what's going to be their bias when the HD2 comes out.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30036288</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking as one of many AT&amp;T users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257796140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should try around northwest WA.  Verizon manages to randomly drop calls there constantly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should try around northwest WA .
Verizon manages to randomly drop calls there constantly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should try around northwest WA.
Verizon manages to randomly drop calls there constantly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30038050</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257760560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can't you purchase your 'droid on the grey market and plug your Verizon SIM card in it and use whatever program you want with it, including tethering ? It's not like they are going to run deep packet analysis to figure out if you have a NAT running. Or is there something I don't know ?
<p>
If I were a legislator I'd ban telecom providers from selling / giving away phones with their contracts. Who am I kidding. If I were a legislator, I'd take the yatch and the house in Aspen and shut the fuck up. Just like they all do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't you purchase your 'droid on the grey market and plug your Verizon SIM card in it and use whatever program you want with it , including tethering ?
It 's not like they are going to run deep packet analysis to figure out if you have a NAT running .
Or is there something I do n't know ?
If I were a legislator I 'd ban telecom providers from selling / giving away phones with their contracts .
Who am I kidding .
If I were a legislator , I 'd take the yatch and the house in Aspen and shut the fuck up .
Just like they all do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't you purchase your 'droid on the grey market and plug your Verizon SIM card in it and use whatever program you want with it, including tethering ?
It's not like they are going to run deep packet analysis to figure out if you have a NAT running.
Or is there something I don't know ?
If I were a legislator I'd ban telecom providers from selling / giving away phones with their contracts.
Who am I kidding.
If I were a legislator, I'd take the yatch and the house in Aspen and shut the fuck up.
Just like they all do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30036970</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Information</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1257799140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exchange support, including connecting to corporate servers from my AT&amp;T residential account IS in my TOS, and if it's not in Verizon's then, it is correct to say that it;s $15 extra for Exchange ActivSync.</p><p>I suspect if their marketing in fact does say "unlimited data" for the dataplan, but fineprints a 5GB cap, then they'll get ass raped in the courts soon enough, and be forced to refund anyone who was charged any extra fees for such, and print a retraction of all their adds clearly identifying that they do not have "unlimited" data.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and AT&amp;T will SLAM verizon in commercials until this is changed.</p><p>Also, rumors have it AT&amp;T's tethering for iPhone will be $10 and $25 (capped and unlimited respectively), so Verizon's going to have some disgruntled customers demanding matching prices real soon...</p><p>Personally, I have 2 iPhones, and haver been looking for something better.  Pre tempted me until I held one for a few hours....  cheap plastic POS and no app store worth a damn.  The original Android was kinda cool, but again, no future for the device was seen, and the few apps thta are available that beat what the iPhone has simply cost too much.  Multitasking also on its own is not a selling point (I hardly feel a tug at all to have it, except for wanting to be able to listed to pandora and surf at the same time, which is coming soon via the iPod API plug-in.  Even the Droid, in all its glory, can't multitask GPS and a call concurrently...  The ONY device that can is the Naviphone, and they've got the patents on that for a while...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exchange support , including connecting to corporate servers from my AT&amp;T residential account IS in my TOS , and if it 's not in Verizon 's then , it is correct to say that it ; s $ 15 extra for Exchange ActivSync.I suspect if their marketing in fact does say " unlimited data " for the dataplan , but fineprints a 5GB cap , then they 'll get ass raped in the courts soon enough , and be forced to refund anyone who was charged any extra fees for such , and print a retraction of all their adds clearly identifying that they do not have " unlimited " data .
...and AT&amp;T will SLAM verizon in commercials until this is changed.Also , rumors have it AT&amp;T 's tethering for iPhone will be $ 10 and $ 25 ( capped and unlimited respectively ) , so Verizon 's going to have some disgruntled customers demanding matching prices real soon...Personally , I have 2 iPhones , and haver been looking for something better .
Pre tempted me until I held one for a few hours.... cheap plastic POS and no app store worth a damn .
The original Android was kinda cool , but again , no future for the device was seen , and the few apps thta are available that beat what the iPhone has simply cost too much .
Multitasking also on its own is not a selling point ( I hardly feel a tug at all to have it , except for wanting to be able to listed to pandora and surf at the same time , which is coming soon via the iPod API plug-in .
Even the Droid , in all its glory , ca n't multitask GPS and a call concurrently... The ONY device that can is the Naviphone , and they 've got the patents on that for a while.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exchange support, including connecting to corporate servers from my AT&amp;T residential account IS in my TOS, and if it's not in Verizon's then, it is correct to say that it;s $15 extra for Exchange ActivSync.I suspect if their marketing in fact does say "unlimited data" for the dataplan, but fineprints a 5GB cap, then they'll get ass raped in the courts soon enough, and be forced to refund anyone who was charged any extra fees for such, and print a retraction of all their adds clearly identifying that they do not have "unlimited" data.
...and AT&amp;T will SLAM verizon in commercials until this is changed.Also, rumors have it AT&amp;T's tethering for iPhone will be $10 and $25 (capped and unlimited respectively), so Verizon's going to have some disgruntled customers demanding matching prices real soon...Personally, I have 2 iPhones, and haver been looking for something better.
Pre tempted me until I held one for a few hours....  cheap plastic POS and no app store worth a damn.
The original Android was kinda cool, but again, no future for the device was seen, and the few apps thta are available that beat what the iPhone has simply cost too much.
Multitasking also on its own is not a selling point (I hardly feel a tug at all to have it, except for wanting to be able to listed to pandora and surf at the same time, which is coming soon via the iPod API plug-in.
Even the Droid, in all its glory, can't multitask GPS and a call concurrently...  The ONY device that can is the Naviphone, and they've got the patents on that for a while...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30036696</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1257798000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree on your data plan ideas, mostly.</p><p>We need a few laws put in place:  1) incremental charges for overages may never exceed 150\% the per-unit charge of the base plan rates.  So in this case, it's $6/GB.  Overage should not be more than $9/GB.    2) end users shuold have to opt in to additional charges.  By default, plans should dramatically limit data rates at no additional charge, and voice calls should be pre-empted by an audio notification of excess chanrges before the call is placed.  3) anywhere a capped or restricted plan is in use, a FULL UNLIMITED option must be available.  This must be a each SPEED Tier, not just at the top tier.  AKA, for home internet, there might be a 2MB, 5MB, and 10MB option for downspeed, each with caps.  EACH plan must offer a surcharge for a higher cap, as well as an unlimited cap, allowing me unlimited data at only 2dn/256 up should i so choose.</p><p>As for call quality, I disagree.  I have both a 2G iPhoine and a 3GS.  My signal strength is BY FAR better than T mobile, Verizon, and Sprint users here in the building (and we have a microcell from sprint on the roof!)  I have not dropped a single call on either device in nearly 2 years that was not preemped by the person on the other end say "i'm driving through a bad area, youmight loose me" with the exception of a specifc place along the freeway here where ALL phones drop calls due to a provider crossover to a local carrier that is not part of the national partnerships and can not hot transition calls to their towers.  Both my iPhones have amazing call clarity.  I can make calls perfectly clear in places where others have no signal at all on their own devices.  I'm in a building complex with over 6,000 other people.  About 1/3rd of us now have iPhones bacause the phones available from Verizon and Sprint all suck here.  A few have the original google phone, and short of being a nice toy for some simple apps and media, it's completely useless on campus with no signal except outdoors.</p><p>This is no small city, with towers from Verizon outnumbering AT&amp;T.  Sprint has a bunch (including one right here on campus as i metioned and yet the AT&amp;T tower 3 miles from here gives me calls places Sprint phones do not).  T-mobile has 2 towers in town, none near us, but t-mobile phones use partner towers from a number of companies and there are a smattering of local carriers leasing towers to all parties (can't tell who'se leasing to who from the map of towers).  Needless to say, this whole city is blanketed in signal.  Granted, both AT&amp;T and Verizon have MASSIVE corporate offices here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree on your data plan ideas , mostly.We need a few laws put in place : 1 ) incremental charges for overages may never exceed 150 \ % the per-unit charge of the base plan rates .
So in this case , it 's $ 6/GB .
Overage should not be more than $ 9/GB .
2 ) end users shuold have to opt in to additional charges .
By default , plans should dramatically limit data rates at no additional charge , and voice calls should be pre-empted by an audio notification of excess chanrges before the call is placed .
3 ) anywhere a capped or restricted plan is in use , a FULL UNLIMITED option must be available .
This must be a each SPEED Tier , not just at the top tier .
AKA , for home internet , there might be a 2MB , 5MB , and 10MB option for downspeed , each with caps .
EACH plan must offer a surcharge for a higher cap , as well as an unlimited cap , allowing me unlimited data at only 2dn/256 up should i so choose.As for call quality , I disagree .
I have both a 2G iPhoine and a 3GS .
My signal strength is BY FAR better than T mobile , Verizon , and Sprint users here in the building ( and we have a microcell from sprint on the roof !
) I have not dropped a single call on either device in nearly 2 years that was not preemped by the person on the other end say " i 'm driving through a bad area , youmight loose me " with the exception of a specifc place along the freeway here where ALL phones drop calls due to a provider crossover to a local carrier that is not part of the national partnerships and can not hot transition calls to their towers .
Both my iPhones have amazing call clarity .
I can make calls perfectly clear in places where others have no signal at all on their own devices .
I 'm in a building complex with over 6,000 other people .
About 1/3rd of us now have iPhones bacause the phones available from Verizon and Sprint all suck here .
A few have the original google phone , and short of being a nice toy for some simple apps and media , it 's completely useless on campus with no signal except outdoors.This is no small city , with towers from Verizon outnumbering AT&amp;T .
Sprint has a bunch ( including one right here on campus as i metioned and yet the AT&amp;T tower 3 miles from here gives me calls places Sprint phones do not ) .
T-mobile has 2 towers in town , none near us , but t-mobile phones use partner towers from a number of companies and there are a smattering of local carriers leasing towers to all parties ( ca n't tell who'se leasing to who from the map of towers ) .
Needless to say , this whole city is blanketed in signal .
Granted , both AT&amp;T and Verizon have MASSIVE corporate offices here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree on your data plan ideas, mostly.We need a few laws put in place:  1) incremental charges for overages may never exceed 150\% the per-unit charge of the base plan rates.
So in this case, it's $6/GB.
Overage should not be more than $9/GB.
2) end users shuold have to opt in to additional charges.
By default, plans should dramatically limit data rates at no additional charge, and voice calls should be pre-empted by an audio notification of excess chanrges before the call is placed.
3) anywhere a capped or restricted plan is in use, a FULL UNLIMITED option must be available.
This must be a each SPEED Tier, not just at the top tier.
AKA, for home internet, there might be a 2MB, 5MB, and 10MB option for downspeed, each with caps.
EACH plan must offer a surcharge for a higher cap, as well as an unlimited cap, allowing me unlimited data at only 2dn/256 up should i so choose.As for call quality, I disagree.
I have both a 2G iPhoine and a 3GS.
My signal strength is BY FAR better than T mobile, Verizon, and Sprint users here in the building (and we have a microcell from sprint on the roof!
)  I have not dropped a single call on either device in nearly 2 years that was not preemped by the person on the other end say "i'm driving through a bad area, youmight loose me" with the exception of a specifc place along the freeway here where ALL phones drop calls due to a provider crossover to a local carrier that is not part of the national partnerships and can not hot transition calls to their towers.
Both my iPhones have amazing call clarity.
I can make calls perfectly clear in places where others have no signal at all on their own devices.
I'm in a building complex with over 6,000 other people.
About 1/3rd of us now have iPhones bacause the phones available from Verizon and Sprint all suck here.
A few have the original google phone, and short of being a nice toy for some simple apps and media, it's completely useless on campus with no signal except outdoors.This is no small city, with towers from Verizon outnumbering AT&amp;T.
Sprint has a bunch (including one right here on campus as i metioned and yet the AT&amp;T tower 3 miles from here gives me calls places Sprint phones do not).
T-mobile has 2 towers in town, none near us, but t-mobile phones use partner towers from a number of companies and there are a smattering of local carriers leasing towers to all parties (can't tell who'se leasing to who from the map of towers).
Needless to say, this whole city is blanketed in signal.
Granted, both AT&amp;T and Verizon have MASSIVE corporate offices here.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033986</id>
	<title>I already emailed verizon about this</title>
	<author>DragonTHC</author>
	<datestamp>1257787080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I received this response:</p><blockquote><div><p>I regret hearing that you have decided not to activate service with us based on the pricing of our plans and services. I can certainly understand as well that you need to keep your wireless service as cost effective as possible.</p><p>Please note, Verizon Wireless is always looking for ways to enhance our products and services to better meet the needs of our customers. Your comments have been forwarded to our Management department for review and consideration. Your feedback provides us with the perfect opportunity to hear exactly what you think, and often leads to improvements you will see in the future.</p></div></blockquote><p>I also called a couple of weeks ago and a phone rep told me (paraphrased) that I could keep my own service and deal with dropped calls all the time or pay more for better service.</p><p>So basically, Verizon thinks its service is worth more money despite providing the same level for more than any other carrier.</p><p>My t-mobile with 2 G1 phones comes with 1000 minutes, unlimited data, unlimited m2m and nights and weekends, 400 sms.  My bill is an average of $130 a month.</p><p>Verizon's comparable plans would be $180 for less minutes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I received this response : I regret hearing that you have decided not to activate service with us based on the pricing of our plans and services .
I can certainly understand as well that you need to keep your wireless service as cost effective as possible.Please note , Verizon Wireless is always looking for ways to enhance our products and services to better meet the needs of our customers .
Your comments have been forwarded to our Management department for review and consideration .
Your feedback provides us with the perfect opportunity to hear exactly what you think , and often leads to improvements you will see in the future.I also called a couple of weeks ago and a phone rep told me ( paraphrased ) that I could keep my own service and deal with dropped calls all the time or pay more for better service.So basically , Verizon thinks its service is worth more money despite providing the same level for more than any other carrier.My t-mobile with 2 G1 phones comes with 1000 minutes , unlimited data , unlimited m2m and nights and weekends , 400 sms .
My bill is an average of $ 130 a month.Verizon 's comparable plans would be $ 180 for less minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I received this response:I regret hearing that you have decided not to activate service with us based on the pricing of our plans and services.
I can certainly understand as well that you need to keep your wireless service as cost effective as possible.Please note, Verizon Wireless is always looking for ways to enhance our products and services to better meet the needs of our customers.
Your comments have been forwarded to our Management department for review and consideration.
Your feedback provides us with the perfect opportunity to hear exactly what you think, and often leads to improvements you will see in the future.I also called a couple of weeks ago and a phone rep told me (paraphrased) that I could keep my own service and deal with dropped calls all the time or pay more for better service.So basically, Verizon thinks its service is worth more money despite providing the same level for more than any other carrier.My t-mobile with 2 G1 phones comes with 1000 minutes, unlimited data, unlimited m2m and nights and weekends, 400 sms.
My bill is an average of $130 a month.Verizon's comparable plans would be $180 for less minutes.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031658</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1257776760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I actually think a cap is a good thing FOR PHONES because radio spectrum is a finite resource.</p></div><p>it's fine if you don't advertise as unlimited. That's fraud. Why it is protected when cellphone companies do it, I don't know.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I believe it - I had a CDMA phone years ago, and I recall it being nearly as clear and stable a connection as a land-line.</p></div><p>It has nothing to do with ATT vs. Verizon or GSM vs. CDMA, it's all about your phone. My RAZR V3i gave better call quality than my V500 upg. to V600 (or wtfever it was exactly, I lent my backup phone to someone who destroyed it.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually think a cap is a good thing FOR PHONES because radio spectrum is a finite resource.it 's fine if you do n't advertise as unlimited .
That 's fraud .
Why it is protected when cellphone companies do it , I do n't know.I believe it - I had a CDMA phone years ago , and I recall it being nearly as clear and stable a connection as a land-line.It has nothing to do with ATT vs. Verizon or GSM vs. CDMA , it 's all about your phone .
My RAZR V3i gave better call quality than my V500 upg .
to V600 ( or wtfever it was exactly , I lent my backup phone to someone who destroyed it .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually think a cap is a good thing FOR PHONES because radio spectrum is a finite resource.it's fine if you don't advertise as unlimited.
That's fraud.
Why it is protected when cellphone companies do it, I don't know.I believe it - I had a CDMA phone years ago, and I recall it being nearly as clear and stable a connection as a land-line.It has nothing to do with ATT vs. Verizon or GSM vs. CDMA, it's all about your phone.
My RAZR V3i gave better call quality than my V500 upg.
to V600 (or wtfever it was exactly, I lent my backup phone to someone who destroyed it.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031592</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon = US, right?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1257776340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If not so, what's the big deal? Just buy the droid and don't choose Verizon as your provider.</p></div><p>While in theory Sprint and Verizon phones will interoperate, in practice both vendors have a long history of refusing to warm up a competitor's phone. This is incredibly stupid of them, because they actually charge you for a phone upgrade in your phone bill every year, and if you don't get one they just pocket the money, but it's still how they do business. (Numerous people are counterexamples... they are not very numerous, however.) In any case, neither one is GSM, so if you buy a phone from either the only place you might ever connect it is the other.</p><p>Just one more reason to go with the N900 instead... too bad AT&amp;T is the <em>only</em> credible GSM provider in the USA.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If not so , what 's the big deal ?
Just buy the droid and do n't choose Verizon as your provider.While in theory Sprint and Verizon phones will interoperate , in practice both vendors have a long history of refusing to warm up a competitor 's phone .
This is incredibly stupid of them , because they actually charge you for a phone upgrade in your phone bill every year , and if you do n't get one they just pocket the money , but it 's still how they do business .
( Numerous people are counterexamples... they are not very numerous , however .
) In any case , neither one is GSM , so if you buy a phone from either the only place you might ever connect it is the other.Just one more reason to go with the N900 instead... too bad AT&amp;T is the only credible GSM provider in the USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If not so, what's the big deal?
Just buy the droid and don't choose Verizon as your provider.While in theory Sprint and Verizon phones will interoperate, in practice both vendors have a long history of refusing to warm up a competitor's phone.
This is incredibly stupid of them, because they actually charge you for a phone upgrade in your phone bill every year, and if you don't get one they just pocket the money, but it's still how they do business.
(Numerous people are counterexamples... they are not very numerous, however.
) In any case, neither one is GSM, so if you buy a phone from either the only place you might ever connect it is the other.Just one more reason to go with the N900 instead... too bad AT&amp;T is the only credible GSM provider in the USA.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033640</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Slashdot Parent</author>
	<datestamp>1257785580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Guess it'll be the iPhone after all.</p> </div><p>I hate to burst your bubble, but I think you'll find that the price is basically the same for the iPhone.  Maybe check out HTC Hero or Palm Pre on Sprint.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Guess it 'll be the iPhone after all .
I hate to burst your bubble , but I think you 'll find that the price is basically the same for the iPhone .
Maybe check out HTC Hero or Palm Pre on Sprint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guess it'll be the iPhone after all.
I hate to burst your bubble, but I think you'll find that the price is basically the same for the iPhone.
Maybe check out HTC Hero or Palm Pre on Sprint.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031518</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30037850</id>
	<title>www.DRIOD.com has a better price.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257759720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.DRIOD.com has a better price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.DRIOD.com has a better price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.DRIOD.com has a better price.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034084</id>
	<title>Forget it</title>
	<author>darkpixel2k</author>
	<datestamp>1257787380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I really wish Verizon read slashdot.
Here's what I'd tell them:<br>
<br>
Hey retards:  Last week I was so excited you were getting a droid phone that I actually stopped by one of your run-down looking stores in my town.  I talked to a sales chick who looked like she was on meth and asked her about the phone.  She was completely clueless.<br>
<br>
Your website said you had an unlimited plan for $100/mo.  It included everything except tethering.  Your price was better than AT&amp;T, and the phone was better than an iPhone.  Now you're adding all sorts of stupid extra charges, caps, and limitations?  Screw that.  If I want to get fucked by a cell phone company, I'll stick with AT&amp;T who constantly drops my calls, bills me incorrectly, says my 2-year contract was renewed because I called in and talked with a customer service rep, and has horrible devices and plans.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...but I'll pick the devil I know.<br>
<br>
I'll bet it costs less money to beam data to the space shuttle than it does between two phones on your damn network.<br>
Thanks for stopping me from becoming a Verizon customer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really wish Verizon read slashdot .
Here 's what I 'd tell them : Hey retards : Last week I was so excited you were getting a droid phone that I actually stopped by one of your run-down looking stores in my town .
I talked to a sales chick who looked like she was on meth and asked her about the phone .
She was completely clueless .
Your website said you had an unlimited plan for $ 100/mo .
It included everything except tethering .
Your price was better than AT&amp;T , and the phone was better than an iPhone .
Now you 're adding all sorts of stupid extra charges , caps , and limitations ?
Screw that .
If I want to get fucked by a cell phone company , I 'll stick with AT&amp;T who constantly drops my calls , bills me incorrectly , says my 2-year contract was renewed because I called in and talked with a customer service rep , and has horrible devices and plans .
...but I 'll pick the devil I know .
I 'll bet it costs less money to beam data to the space shuttle than it does between two phones on your damn network .
Thanks for stopping me from becoming a Verizon customer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really wish Verizon read slashdot.
Here's what I'd tell them:

Hey retards:  Last week I was so excited you were getting a droid phone that I actually stopped by one of your run-down looking stores in my town.
I talked to a sales chick who looked like she was on meth and asked her about the phone.
She was completely clueless.
Your website said you had an unlimited plan for $100/mo.
It included everything except tethering.
Your price was better than AT&amp;T, and the phone was better than an iPhone.
Now you're adding all sorts of stupid extra charges, caps, and limitations?
Screw that.
If I want to get fucked by a cell phone company, I'll stick with AT&amp;T who constantly drops my calls, bills me incorrectly, says my 2-year contract was renewed because I called in and talked with a customer service rep, and has horrible devices and plans.
...but I'll pick the devil I know.
I'll bet it costs less money to beam data to the space shuttle than it does between two phones on your damn network.
Thanks for stopping me from becoming a Verizon customer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033562</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>saintsfan</author>
	<datestamp>1257785220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I like your comment. Free market principals should do exactly that. Unfortunately, the wireless phone industry is one of those situations where there are few competitive options as indicated by their pricing plan. ATT is probably comparable with the iphone and such, and one commenter indicated blackberry was the same. On the other hand, these services are relatively new and a luxury for most, so perhaps it's the cost of bringing them to the market that is reflected in the plan. personally, i'm not totally convinced. it would be nice if a few other large competitors remained like cingular.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like your comment .
Free market principals should do exactly that .
Unfortunately , the wireless phone industry is one of those situations where there are few competitive options as indicated by their pricing plan .
ATT is probably comparable with the iphone and such , and one commenter indicated blackberry was the same .
On the other hand , these services are relatively new and a luxury for most , so perhaps it 's the cost of bringing them to the market that is reflected in the plan .
personally , i 'm not totally convinced .
it would be nice if a few other large competitors remained like cingular .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like your comment.
Free market principals should do exactly that.
Unfortunately, the wireless phone industry is one of those situations where there are few competitive options as indicated by their pricing plan.
ATT is probably comparable with the iphone and such, and one commenter indicated blackberry was the same.
On the other hand, these services are relatively new and a luxury for most, so perhaps it's the cost of bringing them to the market that is reflected in the plan.
personally, i'm not totally convinced.
it would be nice if a few other large competitors remained like cingular.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031422</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034930</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Information</title>
	<author>CXI</author>
	<datestamp>1257790740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <a href="http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/?page=plans" title="verizonwireless.com">http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/?page=plans</a> [verizonwireless.com] </p><p>All of the plans listed here have caps.</p></div><p>Right on the top of that page it says: "Mobile Broadband Plans for USB Modems, PC Cards, ExpressCards, MiFi 2200, Notebooks or Netbooks". Those plans do not apply to phone data.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/ ? page = plans [ verizonwireless.com ] All of the plans listed here have caps.Right on the top of that page it says : " Mobile Broadband Plans for USB Modems , PC Cards , ExpressCards , MiFi 2200 , Notebooks or Netbooks " .
Those plans do not apply to phone data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/?page=plans [verizonwireless.com] All of the plans listed here have caps.Right on the top of that page it says: "Mobile Broadband Plans for USB Modems, PC Cards, ExpressCards, MiFi 2200, Notebooks or Netbooks".
Those plans do not apply to phone data.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033596</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031608</id>
	<title>Be glad you're not in Canada</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257776400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Be glad you're not in Canada -- typically we start with 500 mb of data, pay $50/gb for overages.  Our providers often promise to release features after testing, then don't (i.e. 2 years is a long time to wait).  Like Verizon, they also try to control all the features on their phones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Be glad you 're not in Canada -- typically we start with 500 mb of data , pay $ 50/gb for overages .
Our providers often promise to release features after testing , then do n't ( i.e .
2 years is a long time to wait ) .
Like Verizon , they also try to control all the features on their phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Be glad you're not in Canada -- typically we start with 500 mb of data, pay $50/gb for overages.
Our providers often promise to release features after testing, then don't (i.e.
2 years is a long time to wait).
Like Verizon, they also try to control all the features on their phones.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032362</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>ironwill96</author>
	<datestamp>1257780600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of my friends unlocked his Blackberry and enabled tethering without paying Verizon the tethering fee.  He was playing MMOs via the phone's internet connection and this lasted for about half a month before Verizon noticed and disconnected him.  When he opened up a web browser they showed him a message telling him that he was tethering without paying for it and offered to re-enable it for a few dollars a month.  All he had to do was click "ok" and it automatically added tethering to his bill and re-enabled the access instantly.</p><p>They are doing something to track if you are tethering and not paying for, possibly just by watching the usage and what kinds of things you are doing (for example - WoW packets showing up on the phone automatically means tethering since the phone itself isn't capable of playing World of Warcraft).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of my friends unlocked his Blackberry and enabled tethering without paying Verizon the tethering fee .
He was playing MMOs via the phone 's internet connection and this lasted for about half a month before Verizon noticed and disconnected him .
When he opened up a web browser they showed him a message telling him that he was tethering without paying for it and offered to re-enable it for a few dollars a month .
All he had to do was click " ok " and it automatically added tethering to his bill and re-enabled the access instantly.They are doing something to track if you are tethering and not paying for , possibly just by watching the usage and what kinds of things you are doing ( for example - WoW packets showing up on the phone automatically means tethering since the phone itself is n't capable of playing World of Warcraft ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of my friends unlocked his Blackberry and enabled tethering without paying Verizon the tethering fee.
He was playing MMOs via the phone's internet connection and this lasted for about half a month before Verizon noticed and disconnected him.
When he opened up a web browser they showed him a message telling him that he was tethering without paying for it and offered to re-enable it for a few dollars a month.
All he had to do was click "ok" and it automatically added tethering to his bill and re-enabled the access instantly.They are doing something to track if you are tethering and not paying for, possibly just by watching the usage and what kinds of things you are doing (for example - WoW packets showing up on the phone automatically means tethering since the phone itself isn't capable of playing World of Warcraft).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031800</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031546</id>
	<title>Say what?</title>
	<author>ShooterNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1257775980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I reading this right?  They call the 5GB a month plan "unlimited", and charge $50 PER additional gigabyte (when they were perfectly willing to accept $6/gigabyte before you went over the limit)</p><p>Why don't they control usage another way?  Say, if you go over 5GB a month, your data rates get slashed to 1/5 or 1/10 the normal speed, and the phone gives you an OPTION to pay an additional fee if you want your full speed restored.  I actually think a cap is a good thing FOR PHONES because radio spectrum is a finite resource.  Verizon only owns so much spectrum, and using current modulation technology, can only send so much data through the air in a particular cell at one time.  There are high tech ways around this problem, but they cost a lot of money, and heavy users should pay more.</p><p>But they way they are doing this is just a trap basically.  I bet the phone doesn't even tell you if you go over the limit, unless you look in some deeply buried menu.  They are just setting you up for a huge bill during that one month when you actually use the phone's internet capabilities to their full potential.</p><p>And the phone had so much promise.  They say the screen kicks the ass of the iphone, and that the CALL QUALITY is vastly clearer and better.  I believe it - I had a CDMA phone years ago, and I recall it being nearly as clear and stable a connection as a land-line.  Darn nokia phone would work everywhere as well.  I've never, ever gotten service this good through ATT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I reading this right ?
They call the 5GB a month plan " unlimited " , and charge $ 50 PER additional gigabyte ( when they were perfectly willing to accept $ 6/gigabyte before you went over the limit ) Why do n't they control usage another way ?
Say , if you go over 5GB a month , your data rates get slashed to 1/5 or 1/10 the normal speed , and the phone gives you an OPTION to pay an additional fee if you want your full speed restored .
I actually think a cap is a good thing FOR PHONES because radio spectrum is a finite resource .
Verizon only owns so much spectrum , and using current modulation technology , can only send so much data through the air in a particular cell at one time .
There are high tech ways around this problem , but they cost a lot of money , and heavy users should pay more.But they way they are doing this is just a trap basically .
I bet the phone does n't even tell you if you go over the limit , unless you look in some deeply buried menu .
They are just setting you up for a huge bill during that one month when you actually use the phone 's internet capabilities to their full potential.And the phone had so much promise .
They say the screen kicks the ass of the iphone , and that the CALL QUALITY is vastly clearer and better .
I believe it - I had a CDMA phone years ago , and I recall it being nearly as clear and stable a connection as a land-line .
Darn nokia phone would work everywhere as well .
I 've never , ever gotten service this good through ATT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I reading this right?
They call the 5GB a month plan "unlimited", and charge $50 PER additional gigabyte (when they were perfectly willing to accept $6/gigabyte before you went over the limit)Why don't they control usage another way?
Say, if you go over 5GB a month, your data rates get slashed to 1/5 or 1/10 the normal speed, and the phone gives you an OPTION to pay an additional fee if you want your full speed restored.
I actually think a cap is a good thing FOR PHONES because radio spectrum is a finite resource.
Verizon only owns so much spectrum, and using current modulation technology, can only send so much data through the air in a particular cell at one time.
There are high tech ways around this problem, but they cost a lot of money, and heavy users should pay more.But they way they are doing this is just a trap basically.
I bet the phone doesn't even tell you if you go over the limit, unless you look in some deeply buried menu.
They are just setting you up for a huge bill during that one month when you actually use the phone's internet capabilities to their full potential.And the phone had so much promise.
They say the screen kicks the ass of the iphone, and that the CALL QUALITY is vastly clearer and better.
I believe it - I had a CDMA phone years ago, and I recall it being nearly as clear and stable a connection as a land-line.
Darn nokia phone would work everywhere as well.
I've never, ever gotten service this good through ATT.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031832</id>
	<title>Re:It'd be nice if they stopped lying.</title>
	<author>obi1one</author>
	<datestamp>1257777780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Strange, <a href="http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/10/ny\_verizon.html" title="consumeraffairs.com" rel="nofollow">this</a> [consumeraffairs.com] indicates that verizon got in trouble for this exact practice back in 2007 and was supposed to stop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Strange , this [ consumeraffairs.com ] indicates that verizon got in trouble for this exact practice back in 2007 and was supposed to stop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Strange, this [consumeraffairs.com] indicates that verizon got in trouble for this exact practice back in 2007 and was supposed to stop.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031410</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033672</id>
	<title>Re:Lowering the bar for AT&amp;T</title>
	<author>Slashdot Parent</author>
	<datestamp>1257785760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>All they have to do to get back on the high horse is come up with a better pricing plan than Verizon's and have the service available in the next couple of months.</p></div><p>Of course AT&amp;T should cost less than Verizon.  It's inferior service.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All they have to do to get back on the high horse is come up with a better pricing plan than Verizon 's and have the service available in the next couple of months.Of course AT&amp;T should cost less than Verizon .
It 's inferior service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All they have to do to get back on the high horse is come up with a better pricing plan than Verizon's and have the service available in the next couple of months.Of course AT&amp;T should cost less than Verizon.
It's inferior service.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031504</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033176</id>
	<title>Ferrengi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257783720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've suspected for a while that Verizon is run by the Ferrengi, but this nickel and dime scheme reeks of the rules of acquisition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've suspected for a while that Verizon is run by the Ferrengi , but this nickel and dime scheme reeks of the rules of acquisition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've suspected for a while that Verizon is run by the Ferrengi, but this nickel and dime scheme reeks of the rules of acquisition.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033596</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Information</title>
	<author>mapkinase</author>
	<datestamp>1257785400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/?page=plans" title="verizonwireless.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/?page=plans</a> [verizonwireless.com]</p><p>All of the plans listed here have caps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/ ? page = plans [ verizonwireless.com ] All of the plans listed here have caps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/?page=plans [verizonwireless.com]All of the plans listed here have caps.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031818</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033958</id>
	<title>Re:Why the sudden outrage?</title>
	<author>pete6677</author>
	<datestamp>1257786960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True; Verizon has always been great for voice but terrible for data due to their pricing structure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True ; Verizon has always been great for voice but terrible for data due to their pricing structure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True; Verizon has always been great for voice but terrible for data due to their pricing structure.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031786</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031856</id>
	<title>Re:generally favorable reviews?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257777900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The leadoff negative point about the droid is that he doesn't like the way the back of the phone looks because you can see the battery cover.  Come on, that's ridiculous.  Most of use the front of the phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The leadoff negative point about the droid is that he does n't like the way the back of the phone looks because you can see the battery cover .
Come on , that 's ridiculous .
Most of use the front of the phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The leadoff negative point about the droid is that he doesn't like the way the back of the phone looks because you can see the battery cover.
Come on, that's ridiculous.
Most of use the front of the phone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031530</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031934</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257778380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In theory, this sounds reasonable.  Except that its not always easy to leave a cell phone provider.  The entire system is set up to require long term contracts, and (as I've recently found out!) gets much more difficult once you and you're S.O. get on a "family plan" due to staggered contract times.  Sucks!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In theory , this sounds reasonable .
Except that its not always easy to leave a cell phone provider .
The entire system is set up to require long term contracts , and ( as I 've recently found out !
) gets much more difficult once you and you 're S.O .
get on a " family plan " due to staggered contract times .
Sucks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In theory, this sounds reasonable.
Except that its not always easy to leave a cell phone provider.
The entire system is set up to require long term contracts, and (as I've recently found out!
) gets much more difficult once you and you're S.O.
get on a "family plan" due to staggered contract times.
Sucks!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031422</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032318</id>
	<title>It'd be nicer if people got a clue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257780360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can everyone please give themselves a reality check and stop whining about the 5GB cap?</p><p>1) It's high time the geek community understood that bandwidth isn't free.  Low-usage customers always have and probably always will subsidize high-usage customers.  This is how landline ISPs do it, and even they are unofficially capping usage for users who consistently eat up crazy amounts of bandwidth.  If you're downloading multiple terabytes every month, you're slowing down your ISP's "series of tubes" for everyone else, and you either need to get throttled back or pay a lot more for your share.</p><p>The only alternative is a pay-per-byte model -- so please, keep up the whining, let us know how you like it when your browsing/streaming/torrent/pr0n habits start costing you $500/month, while your mainstream neighbors are only paying $10/month for shopping online and checking their email.</p><p>2)  Who the f*ck cares if they call it "unlimited"?  The 5GB cap is well documented and well-known.  Sure you have to read a little fine print (which isn't even all that hidden anymore), but if you're a remotely tech-savvy user, you're probably reading forums like this one and are acutely aware of the 5GB cap anyway.  And for 99\% of users, 5GB/month on a cell phone may as well be unlimited.</p><p>How about you put all that whining energy into protesting overall costs.  You can start with the ridiculous 20 cents for a text message.  Feel free to attack the $30 5GB/month data plan too.  And those overage charges, yeesh, please have a go at those too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can everyone please give themselves a reality check and stop whining about the 5GB cap ? 1 ) It 's high time the geek community understood that bandwidth is n't free .
Low-usage customers always have and probably always will subsidize high-usage customers .
This is how landline ISPs do it , and even they are unofficially capping usage for users who consistently eat up crazy amounts of bandwidth .
If you 're downloading multiple terabytes every month , you 're slowing down your ISP 's " series of tubes " for everyone else , and you either need to get throttled back or pay a lot more for your share.The only alternative is a pay-per-byte model -- so please , keep up the whining , let us know how you like it when your browsing/streaming/torrent/pr0n habits start costing you $ 500/month , while your mainstream neighbors are only paying $ 10/month for shopping online and checking their email.2 ) Who the f * ck cares if they call it " unlimited " ?
The 5GB cap is well documented and well-known .
Sure you have to read a little fine print ( which is n't even all that hidden anymore ) , but if you 're a remotely tech-savvy user , you 're probably reading forums like this one and are acutely aware of the 5GB cap anyway .
And for 99 \ % of users , 5GB/month on a cell phone may as well be unlimited.How about you put all that whining energy into protesting overall costs .
You can start with the ridiculous 20 cents for a text message .
Feel free to attack the $ 30 5GB/month data plan too .
And those overage charges , yeesh , please have a go at those too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can everyone please give themselves a reality check and stop whining about the 5GB cap?1) It's high time the geek community understood that bandwidth isn't free.
Low-usage customers always have and probably always will subsidize high-usage customers.
This is how landline ISPs do it, and even they are unofficially capping usage for users who consistently eat up crazy amounts of bandwidth.
If you're downloading multiple terabytes every month, you're slowing down your ISP's "series of tubes" for everyone else, and you either need to get throttled back or pay a lot more for your share.The only alternative is a pay-per-byte model -- so please, keep up the whining, let us know how you like it when your browsing/streaming/torrent/pr0n habits start costing you $500/month, while your mainstream neighbors are only paying $10/month for shopping online and checking their email.2)  Who the f*ck cares if they call it "unlimited"?
The 5GB cap is well documented and well-known.
Sure you have to read a little fine print (which isn't even all that hidden anymore), but if you're a remotely tech-savvy user, you're probably reading forums like this one and are acutely aware of the 5GB cap anyway.
And for 99\% of users, 5GB/month on a cell phone may as well be unlimited.How about you put all that whining energy into protesting overall costs.
You can start with the ridiculous 20 cents for a text message.
Feel free to attack the $30 5GB/month data plan too.
And those overage charges, yeesh, please have a go at those too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034320</id>
	<title>Re:Tethering</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1257788400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's not tethering. That's a dialup connection.</p><p>
It a) is limited to modem speed, aka, 56kps (Actually, a little lower, as cell phone have lossier encoding.), b) uses your minutes, and c) stops you from making or receiving calls.</p><p>
It doesn't use 'data' at all.</p><p>
Tethering is the phone NATing(1) the IP address it is given by the data part of the cell phone network, instead of posing as a 'modem' and using the voice part of the network.</p><p>
It uses the EDGE or 3G connection, giving you much higher speed, sometimes higher than DSL.</p><p>
Even if that's not available, your speed will be slighter faster than a dialup connection, as some of the overhead is gone. And it won't use minutes. Also you can make and receive calls during it. (Although you will end up with almost no bandwidth during the calls.)</p><p>
1) I don't know if it's NATing or bridging, but whatever. The computer is essentially on the cell phone data network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not tethering .
That 's a dialup connection .
It a ) is limited to modem speed , aka , 56kps ( Actually , a little lower , as cell phone have lossier encoding .
) , b ) uses your minutes , and c ) stops you from making or receiving calls .
It does n't use 'data ' at all .
Tethering is the phone NATing ( 1 ) the IP address it is given by the data part of the cell phone network , instead of posing as a 'modem ' and using the voice part of the network .
It uses the EDGE or 3G connection , giving you much higher speed , sometimes higher than DSL .
Even if that 's not available , your speed will be slighter faster than a dialup connection , as some of the overhead is gone .
And it wo n't use minutes .
Also you can make and receive calls during it .
( Although you will end up with almost no bandwidth during the calls .
) 1 ) I do n't know if it 's NATing or bridging , but whatever .
The computer is essentially on the cell phone data network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not tethering.
That's a dialup connection.
It a) is limited to modem speed, aka, 56kps (Actually, a little lower, as cell phone have lossier encoding.
), b) uses your minutes, and c) stops you from making or receiving calls.
It doesn't use 'data' at all.
Tethering is the phone NATing(1) the IP address it is given by the data part of the cell phone network, instead of posing as a 'modem' and using the voice part of the network.
It uses the EDGE or 3G connection, giving you much higher speed, sometimes higher than DSL.
Even if that's not available, your speed will be slighter faster than a dialup connection, as some of the overhead is gone.
And it won't use minutes.
Also you can make and receive calls during it.
(Although you will end up with almost no bandwidth during the calls.
)
1) I don't know if it's NATing or bridging, but whatever.
The computer is essentially on the cell phone data network.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031958</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Builder</author>
	<datestamp>1257778500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The simple solution for most stuff is Browser ID strings and in some cases, MAC address prefixes. I know that in the UK, I could convince the O2 cloud to let me surf the web using wifi from my laptop on my free iPhone bandwidth simply by changing my laptop MAC address and browser ID to be mobile safari.</p><p>I'm not sure how they would detect other apps, but as soon as you fire up a standard browser, it would be pretty easy to spot if you haven't changed this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The simple solution for most stuff is Browser ID strings and in some cases , MAC address prefixes .
I know that in the UK , I could convince the O2 cloud to let me surf the web using wifi from my laptop on my free iPhone bandwidth simply by changing my laptop MAC address and browser ID to be mobile safari.I 'm not sure how they would detect other apps , but as soon as you fire up a standard browser , it would be pretty easy to spot if you have n't changed this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The simple solution for most stuff is Browser ID strings and in some cases, MAC address prefixes.
I know that in the UK, I could convince the O2 cloud to let me surf the web using wifi from my laptop on my free iPhone bandwidth simply by changing my laptop MAC address and browser ID to be mobile safari.I'm not sure how they would detect other apps, but as soon as you fire up a standard browser, it would be pretty easy to spot if you haven't changed this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031800</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031866</id>
	<title>Re:It'd be nice if they stopped lying.</title>
	<author>TheDarkMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1257777960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Marketing is the Art Of Lying.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Marketing is the Art Of Lying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Marketing is the Art Of Lying.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031410</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031626</id>
	<title>Inaccurate Exchange Pricing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257776520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Verizon charges "corporate" customers an extra $15/mo to access "corporate" (aka Exchange) email.  This is true with all of their smartphones and is similar in pricing to what ATT &amp; Sprint charge.  Personal accounts can access Exchange w/o any additional charges.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Verizon charges " corporate " customers an extra $ 15/mo to access " corporate " ( aka Exchange ) email .
This is true with all of their smartphones and is similar in pricing to what ATT &amp; Sprint charge .
Personal accounts can access Exchange w/o any additional charges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Verizon charges "corporate" customers an extra $15/mo to access "corporate" (aka Exchange) email.
This is true with all of their smartphones and is similar in pricing to what ATT &amp; Sprint charge.
Personal accounts can access Exchange w/o any additional charges.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031576</id>
	<title>Timing is everything.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257776220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interestingly I just bopped over to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. from pricing out a move from my current expired Sprint contract to Verizon+Droid.  Holy CRAP!  To mirror my current Sprint plan (1400 min + unlimited SMS, unlimited data, tethering, etc.) would be over 4 x the cost!!!  The Droid is a cool phone, but Verizon is absolutely insane if they think they can charge this much and still gain market acceptance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interestingly I just bopped over to / .
from pricing out a move from my current expired Sprint contract to Verizon + Droid .
Holy CRAP !
To mirror my current Sprint plan ( 1400 min + unlimited SMS , unlimited data , tethering , etc .
) would be over 4 x the cost ! ! !
The Droid is a cool phone , but Verizon is absolutely insane if they think they can charge this much and still gain market acceptance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interestingly I just bopped over to /.
from pricing out a move from my current expired Sprint contract to Verizon+Droid.
Holy CRAP!
To mirror my current Sprint plan (1400 min + unlimited SMS, unlimited data, tethering, etc.
) would be over 4 x the cost!!!
The Droid is a cool phone, but Verizon is absolutely insane if they think they can charge this much and still gain market acceptance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035812</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1257794040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Simple, in so many ways</p><p>1) the PC will pass it;s MAC address through the device. This can easily be detected.<br>2) Android does not his update.microsoft.com, nor an AV update site, nor half a dozed other IPs and services that are rediculously difficult to prevent your PC from communicating with.<br>3) "browser type" is not the android default on your PC.<br>4) simple software that's part of the bridged network adapter "tells" them it's being tethered, and tracks the data through each interface seperately.<br>5) downloading files through any means the android OS does not support is easily detected.</p><p>There are a dozen other ways, especially depending on the content you access, the protocol you use, and more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Simple , in so many ways1 ) the PC will pass it ; s MAC address through the device .
This can easily be detected.2 ) Android does not his update.microsoft.com , nor an AV update site , nor half a dozed other IPs and services that are rediculously difficult to prevent your PC from communicating with.3 ) " browser type " is not the android default on your PC.4 ) simple software that 's part of the bridged network adapter " tells " them it 's being tethered , and tracks the data through each interface seperately.5 ) downloading files through any means the android OS does not support is easily detected.There are a dozen other ways , especially depending on the content you access , the protocol you use , and more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simple, in so many ways1) the PC will pass it;s MAC address through the device.
This can easily be detected.2) Android does not his update.microsoft.com, nor an AV update site, nor half a dozed other IPs and services that are rediculously difficult to prevent your PC from communicating with.3) "browser type" is not the android default on your PC.4) simple software that's part of the bridged network adapter "tells" them it's being tethered, and tracks the data through each interface seperately.5) downloading files through any means the android OS does not support is easily detected.There are a dozen other ways, especially depending on the content you access, the protocol you use, and more.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031800</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031612</id>
	<title>Speaking as one of many AT&amp;T users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257776400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My wife and I pay about $119/month for "unlimited" data and 200 text messages each per iPhone. We get no reliable signal in most of Virginia past Prince William County unless we are on a major state highway. There are places where Verizon would be 5 bars that AT&amp;T doesn't even get signal at all, and by that I mean not even Edge.</p><p>The moral of the story? You get what you pay for. Verizon may be more expensive, but AT&amp;T is a perfect example of what happens when a telecom doesn't plan ahead for getting the kind of revenue it needs to really build out its network. I wasn't very happy with Verizon's customer service, or their phone selection a year ago, but they obviously put that money SOMEWHERE good since I can't remember any place other than inside the Luray and Skyline caverns where my phone didn't get a signal with Verizon...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My wife and I pay about $ 119/month for " unlimited " data and 200 text messages each per iPhone .
We get no reliable signal in most of Virginia past Prince William County unless we are on a major state highway .
There are places where Verizon would be 5 bars that AT&amp;T does n't even get signal at all , and by that I mean not even Edge.The moral of the story ?
You get what you pay for .
Verizon may be more expensive , but AT&amp;T is a perfect example of what happens when a telecom does n't plan ahead for getting the kind of revenue it needs to really build out its network .
I was n't very happy with Verizon 's customer service , or their phone selection a year ago , but they obviously put that money SOMEWHERE good since I ca n't remember any place other than inside the Luray and Skyline caverns where my phone did n't get a signal with Verizon.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My wife and I pay about $119/month for "unlimited" data and 200 text messages each per iPhone.
We get no reliable signal in most of Virginia past Prince William County unless we are on a major state highway.
There are places where Verizon would be 5 bars that AT&amp;T doesn't even get signal at all, and by that I mean not even Edge.The moral of the story?
You get what you pay for.
Verizon may be more expensive, but AT&amp;T is a perfect example of what happens when a telecom doesn't plan ahead for getting the kind of revenue it needs to really build out its network.
I wasn't very happy with Verizon's customer service, or their phone selection a year ago, but they obviously put that money SOMEWHERE good since I can't remember any place other than inside the Luray and Skyline caverns where my phone didn't get a signal with Verizon...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30038146</id>
	<title>I'm confused</title>
	<author>rockhome</author>
	<datestamp>1257760980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a "smartphone" in large part because I want to be able to access certain information and tools without having to lug a laptop around.</p><p>I've always wondered why I would want to tether my laptop to my phone.  It seems to me that my phone, an iPhone in my case, allows me to use a browser, access my email, and get maps and directions, so why do I want to tether my laptop?</p><p>Every use case that I can think of places me someplace where I can get some kind of WiFi, which would be cheaper and faster.</p><p>I don't know, maybe I just don't need to be connected to everything all the time, in every way possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a " smartphone " in large part because I want to be able to access certain information and tools without having to lug a laptop around.I 've always wondered why I would want to tether my laptop to my phone .
It seems to me that my phone , an iPhone in my case , allows me to use a browser , access my email , and get maps and directions , so why do I want to tether my laptop ? Every use case that I can think of places me someplace where I can get some kind of WiFi , which would be cheaper and faster.I do n't know , maybe I just do n't need to be connected to everything all the time , in every way possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a "smartphone" in large part because I want to be able to access certain information and tools without having to lug a laptop around.I've always wondered why I would want to tether my laptop to my phone.
It seems to me that my phone, an iPhone in my case, allows me to use a browser, access my email, and get maps and directions, so why do I want to tether my laptop?Every use case that I can think of places me someplace where I can get some kind of WiFi, which would be cheaper and faster.I don't know, maybe I just don't need to be connected to everything all the time, in every way possible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30042502</id>
	<title>SLASHDOT MORONS PLEASE READ!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257790560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, you can't throw a rock in this thread without hitting 16 idiots.  Here are some facts for you knuckle-dragging morons who are either too lazy or stupid to do a little research:</p><p>- Data plans on VZW PDAs are truly unlimited.  There is no 5gb limit on using data on your PDA.  Verizon calls it unlimited because it is unlimited.  This article is incorrect, and I can only suppose so many of you fell for it because you think that whatever gets printed on the internetz are always true!<br>- 5 gb is the cap on using any broadband device to connect a PC or a laptop to the internet.  This goes for VZW, Sprint, ATT, and T-Mobile (pretty sure), whether it's an aircard, MiFi, or tethered handset.  And the price is $60 with VZW, ATT, and I think<br>Sprint.<br>- All you jackalopes complaining that VZW's prices are too high, I have some news for you: in a free market, the market determines the price.  There's a reason that customers don't flock to cheaper services like Cricket or even T-Mobile: the service isn't as good.  If you're such a frakkin' genius, and these evil corporations are overcharging the poor unsuspecting consumers, why don't you leave your mom's basement, go down to your local bank, get a 5 billion dollar loan, start your own wireless company, and inform the consumers of America that you are going to have just as strong of a network as Verizon but you're going to charge half the price.  It doesn't work that way.  Here's how a free market works: pay more, get more.  And if the paying more isn't worth it to the consumer, they go elsewhere.  But they aren't, so it's obviously worth it.</p><p>Cripes some of you people are sad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , you ca n't throw a rock in this thread without hitting 16 idiots .
Here are some facts for you knuckle-dragging morons who are either too lazy or stupid to do a little research : - Data plans on VZW PDAs are truly unlimited .
There is no 5gb limit on using data on your PDA .
Verizon calls it unlimited because it is unlimited .
This article is incorrect , and I can only suppose so many of you fell for it because you think that whatever gets printed on the internetz are always true ! - 5 gb is the cap on using any broadband device to connect a PC or a laptop to the internet .
This goes for VZW , Sprint , ATT , and T-Mobile ( pretty sure ) , whether it 's an aircard , MiFi , or tethered handset .
And the price is $ 60 with VZW , ATT , and I thinkSprint.- All you jackalopes complaining that VZW 's prices are too high , I have some news for you : in a free market , the market determines the price .
There 's a reason that customers do n't flock to cheaper services like Cricket or even T-Mobile : the service is n't as good .
If you 're such a frakkin ' genius , and these evil corporations are overcharging the poor unsuspecting consumers , why do n't you leave your mom 's basement , go down to your local bank , get a 5 billion dollar loan , start your own wireless company , and inform the consumers of America that you are going to have just as strong of a network as Verizon but you 're going to charge half the price .
It does n't work that way .
Here 's how a free market works : pay more , get more .
And if the paying more is n't worth it to the consumer , they go elsewhere .
But they are n't , so it 's obviously worth it.Cripes some of you people are sad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, you can't throw a rock in this thread without hitting 16 idiots.
Here are some facts for you knuckle-dragging morons who are either too lazy or stupid to do a little research:- Data plans on VZW PDAs are truly unlimited.
There is no 5gb limit on using data on your PDA.
Verizon calls it unlimited because it is unlimited.
This article is incorrect, and I can only suppose so many of you fell for it because you think that whatever gets printed on the internetz are always true!- 5 gb is the cap on using any broadband device to connect a PC or a laptop to the internet.
This goes for VZW, Sprint, ATT, and T-Mobile (pretty sure), whether it's an aircard, MiFi, or tethered handset.
And the price is $60 with VZW, ATT, and I thinkSprint.- All you jackalopes complaining that VZW's prices are too high, I have some news for you: in a free market, the market determines the price.
There's a reason that customers don't flock to cheaper services like Cricket or even T-Mobile: the service isn't as good.
If you're such a frakkin' genius, and these evil corporations are overcharging the poor unsuspecting consumers, why don't you leave your mom's basement, go down to your local bank, get a 5 billion dollar loan, start your own wireless company, and inform the consumers of America that you are going to have just as strong of a network as Verizon but you're going to charge half the price.
It doesn't work that way.
Here's how a free market works: pay more, get more.
And if the paying more isn't worth it to the consumer, they go elsewhere.
But they aren't, so it's obviously worth it.Cripes some of you people are sad.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034912</id>
	<title>iDont</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257790740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iDon't have limits, but DROID DOES!</p><p>ahahaha.</p><p>Ok in all seriousness I wish AT&amp;T would have an Android phone; but that's because I have line of sight to a Centennial tower, and Verizon won't get reception at my house nor my in-laws 7 miles down the road</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iDo n't have limits , but DROID DOES ! ahahaha.Ok in all seriousness I wish AT&amp;T would have an Android phone ; but that 's because I have line of sight to a Centennial tower , and Verizon wo n't get reception at my house nor my in-laws 7 miles down the road</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iDon't have limits, but DROID DOES!ahahaha.Ok in all seriousness I wish AT&amp;T would have an Android phone; but that's because I have line of sight to a Centennial tower, and Verizon won't get reception at my house nor my in-laws 7 miles down the road</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031504</id>
	<title>Lowering the bar for AT&amp;T</title>
	<author>jht</author>
	<datestamp>1257775740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This simplifies things a lot for AT&amp;T (who still hasn't introduced tethering for the iPhone):  All they have to do to get back on the high horse is come up with a better pricing plan than Verizon's and have the service available in the next couple of months.  Even AT&amp;T can potentially pull that off.</p><p>As for the Exchange data plan - both Verizon and AT&amp;T already do this on paper for smartphones, but that's the "corporate" data plan.  On all the phones I've seen (for both networks) it doesn't actually matter - if your phone supports ActiveSync and you have a personal account it still works fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This simplifies things a lot for AT&amp;T ( who still has n't introduced tethering for the iPhone ) : All they have to do to get back on the high horse is come up with a better pricing plan than Verizon 's and have the service available in the next couple of months .
Even AT&amp;T can potentially pull that off.As for the Exchange data plan - both Verizon and AT&amp;T already do this on paper for smartphones , but that 's the " corporate " data plan .
On all the phones I 've seen ( for both networks ) it does n't actually matter - if your phone supports ActiveSync and you have a personal account it still works fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This simplifies things a lot for AT&amp;T (who still hasn't introduced tethering for the iPhone):  All they have to do to get back on the high horse is come up with a better pricing plan than Verizon's and have the service available in the next couple of months.
Even AT&amp;T can potentially pull that off.As for the Exchange data plan - both Verizon and AT&amp;T already do this on paper for smartphones, but that's the "corporate" data plan.
On all the phones I've seen (for both networks) it doesn't actually matter - if your phone supports ActiveSync and you have a personal account it still works fine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033042</id>
	<title>Re:generally favorable reviews?</title>
	<author>$1uck</author>
	<datestamp>1257783180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The reviewer seems a little clueless.   Seriously  he thinks learning programming in java is harder than using javascript css and html?  And he tells developers to run (from android) based on his opinion of a single phone?  Seriously?  I think he lacks a basic understanding of the phone market.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The reviewer seems a little clueless .
Seriously he thinks learning programming in java is harder than using javascript css and html ?
And he tells developers to run ( from android ) based on his opinion of a single phone ?
Seriously ? I think he lacks a basic understanding of the phone market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reviewer seems a little clueless.
Seriously  he thinks learning programming in java is harder than using javascript css and html?
And he tells developers to run (from android) based on his opinion of a single phone?
Seriously?  I think he lacks a basic understanding of the phone market.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031530</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031596</id>
	<title>Gigabits or Gigabytes?</title>
	<author>SolusSD</author>
	<datestamp>1257776340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the "unlimited" plan is indeed limited to 5Gb, that is only 640MB/mo! I could easily surpass that any given month with my iPhone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the " unlimited " plan is indeed limited to 5Gb , that is only 640MB/mo !
I could easily surpass that any given month with my iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the "unlimited" plan is indeed limited to 5Gb, that is only 640MB/mo!
I could easily surpass that any given month with my iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30119138</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Jon47</author>
	<datestamp>1258401000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do each of the two 5GB data plans contribute to the same data pool or are they separate?

for example, let's say you downloaded 8GB to your computer while tethered, and 1GB directly to the phone.

Will you be charged for 3 extra gigs while tethered and have 4 gigs while not tethered go to waste, or will you just have 9GB of your 10GB used up?

Knowing verizon, I fear the answer..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do each of the two 5GB data plans contribute to the same data pool or are they separate ?
for example , let 's say you downloaded 8GB to your computer while tethered , and 1GB directly to the phone .
Will you be charged for 3 extra gigs while tethered and have 4 gigs while not tethered go to waste , or will you just have 9GB of your 10GB used up ?
Knowing verizon , I fear the answer. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do each of the two 5GB data plans contribute to the same data pool or are they separate?
for example, let's say you downloaded 8GB to your computer while tethered, and 1GB directly to the phone.
Will you be charged for 3 extra gigs while tethered and have 4 gigs while not tethered go to waste, or will you just have 9GB of your 10GB used up?
Knowing verizon, I fear the answer..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035180</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>Mr. Esterhouse</author>
	<datestamp>1257791700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Am I reading this right?  They call the 5GB a month plan "unlimited", and charge $50 PER additional gigabyte (when they were perfectly willing to accept $6/gigabyte before you went over the limit)</p><p>Why don't they control usage another way?  Say, if you go over 5GB a month, your data rates get slashed to 1/5 or 1/10 the normal speed, and the phone gives you an OPTION to pay an additional fee if you want your full speed restored.  I actually think a cap is a good thing FOR PHONES because radio spectrum is a finite resource.  Verizon only owns so much spectrum, and using current modulation technology, can only send so much data through the air in a particular cell at one time.  There are high tech ways around this problem, but they cost a lot of money, and heavy users should pay more.</p><p>But they way they are doing this is just a trap basically.  I bet the phone doesn't even tell you if you go over the limit, unless you look in some deeply buried menu.  They are just setting you up for a huge bill during that one month when you actually use the phone's internet capabilities to their full potential.</p><p>And the phone had so much promise.  They say the screen kicks the ass of the iphone, and that the CALL QUALITY is vastly clearer and better.  I believe it - I had a CDMA phone years ago, and I recall it being nearly as clear and stable a connection as a land-line.  Darn nokia phone would work everywhere as well.  I've never, ever gotten service this good through ATT.</p></div><p>Actually the article says 5Gb's not 5GB's like every one is saying. If it was 5GB's it wouldn't be too bad but as it stands now the 5Gb's comes out to a little over 1/2 GB's, which is terrible.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I reading this right ?
They call the 5GB a month plan " unlimited " , and charge $ 50 PER additional gigabyte ( when they were perfectly willing to accept $ 6/gigabyte before you went over the limit ) Why do n't they control usage another way ?
Say , if you go over 5GB a month , your data rates get slashed to 1/5 or 1/10 the normal speed , and the phone gives you an OPTION to pay an additional fee if you want your full speed restored .
I actually think a cap is a good thing FOR PHONES because radio spectrum is a finite resource .
Verizon only owns so much spectrum , and using current modulation technology , can only send so much data through the air in a particular cell at one time .
There are high tech ways around this problem , but they cost a lot of money , and heavy users should pay more.But they way they are doing this is just a trap basically .
I bet the phone does n't even tell you if you go over the limit , unless you look in some deeply buried menu .
They are just setting you up for a huge bill during that one month when you actually use the phone 's internet capabilities to their full potential.And the phone had so much promise .
They say the screen kicks the ass of the iphone , and that the CALL QUALITY is vastly clearer and better .
I believe it - I had a CDMA phone years ago , and I recall it being nearly as clear and stable a connection as a land-line .
Darn nokia phone would work everywhere as well .
I 've never , ever gotten service this good through ATT.Actually the article says 5Gb 's not 5GB 's like every one is saying .
If it was 5GB 's it would n't be too bad but as it stands now the 5Gb 's comes out to a little over 1/2 GB 's , which is terrible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I reading this right?
They call the 5GB a month plan "unlimited", and charge $50 PER additional gigabyte (when they were perfectly willing to accept $6/gigabyte before you went over the limit)Why don't they control usage another way?
Say, if you go over 5GB a month, your data rates get slashed to 1/5 or 1/10 the normal speed, and the phone gives you an OPTION to pay an additional fee if you want your full speed restored.
I actually think a cap is a good thing FOR PHONES because radio spectrum is a finite resource.
Verizon only owns so much spectrum, and using current modulation technology, can only send so much data through the air in a particular cell at one time.
There are high tech ways around this problem, but they cost a lot of money, and heavy users should pay more.But they way they are doing this is just a trap basically.
I bet the phone doesn't even tell you if you go over the limit, unless you look in some deeply buried menu.
They are just setting you up for a huge bill during that one month when you actually use the phone's internet capabilities to their full potential.And the phone had so much promise.
They say the screen kicks the ass of the iphone, and that the CALL QUALITY is vastly clearer and better.
I believe it - I had a CDMA phone years ago, and I recall it being nearly as clear and stable a connection as a land-line.
Darn nokia phone would work everywhere as well.
I've never, ever gotten service this good through ATT.Actually the article says 5Gb's not 5GB's like every one is saying.
If it was 5GB's it wouldn't be too bad but as it stands now the 5Gb's comes out to a little over 1/2 GB's, which is terrible.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032880</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Andy Dodd</author>
	<datestamp>1257782520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tethering with AT&amp;T is the same - $60/mo for 5GB.</p><p>If you rack up 5GB on a non-tethering plan, good luck proving to AT&amp;T that you are not tethering.  (And how the hell are you pulling down THAT much data w/o tethering?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tethering with AT&amp;T is the same - $ 60/mo for 5GB.If you rack up 5GB on a non-tethering plan , good luck proving to AT&amp;T that you are not tethering .
( And how the hell are you pulling down THAT much data w/o tethering ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tethering with AT&amp;T is the same - $60/mo for 5GB.If you rack up 5GB on a non-tethering plan, good luck proving to AT&amp;T that you are not tethering.
(And how the hell are you pulling down THAT much data w/o tethering?
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031528</id>
	<title>TetherBot</title>
	<author>jspenguin1</author>
	<datestamp>1257775860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, does this mean they're going to have some draconian lockdown that prevents <a href="http://graha.ms/androidproxy/" title="graha.ms" rel="nofollow">tetherbot</a> [graha.ms] from working? T-Mobile doesn't like it either, but it works even on a non-developer G1.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , does this mean they 're going to have some draconian lockdown that prevents tetherbot [ graha.ms ] from working ?
T-Mobile does n't like it either , but it works even on a non-developer G1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, does this mean they're going to have some draconian lockdown that prevents tetherbot [graha.ms] from working?
T-Mobile doesn't like it either, but it works even on a non-developer G1.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031898</id>
	<title>This is why I have an iPod Touch and a cheap phone</title>
	<author>jocknerd</author>
	<datestamp>1257778140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd love a really good smartphone, like the iPhone or Droid, but until I can get one for around $50 a month for unlimited service with tethering, I'll stick to finding WiFi for my Touch and using my cheap cellphone when I need to talk to someone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd love a really good smartphone , like the iPhone or Droid , but until I can get one for around $ 50 a month for unlimited service with tethering , I 'll stick to finding WiFi for my Touch and using my cheap cellphone when I need to talk to someone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd love a really good smartphone, like the iPhone or Droid, but until I can get one for around $50 a month for unlimited service with tethering, I'll stick to finding WiFi for my Touch and using my cheap cellphone when I need to talk to someone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035148</id>
	<title>Sprint = $40 for unlimited data tethering</title>
	<author>frist</author>
	<datestamp>1257791640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I did a survey of tethering options from the big carriers when they closed up the few outbound ports that were still open at work. The only one I found with a real unlimited data option was Sprint. I have a Blackberry Curve, and had no data plan (just use it as a phone/PDA). I had to get the "phone as a modem" addon to my voice plan, which was $40/month (less with discount via my employer). This also gave me a data plan on my phone so I could browse the web with it as well.

They give you SprintVision software that works as advertised (you get a NIC on your PC with a public IP once you connect). I use it for remote desktop and occasionally for WoW when away from home (though WoW latency is about double or worse, compared to home Fios).

Sprint has drawbacks - if getting missed call or voicemail notifications is important to you, forget it. Sometimes I get them days later. But the phone as a modem plan is a winner.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I did a survey of tethering options from the big carriers when they closed up the few outbound ports that were still open at work .
The only one I found with a real unlimited data option was Sprint .
I have a Blackberry Curve , and had no data plan ( just use it as a phone/PDA ) .
I had to get the " phone as a modem " addon to my voice plan , which was $ 40/month ( less with discount via my employer ) .
This also gave me a data plan on my phone so I could browse the web with it as well .
They give you SprintVision software that works as advertised ( you get a NIC on your PC with a public IP once you connect ) .
I use it for remote desktop and occasionally for WoW when away from home ( though WoW latency is about double or worse , compared to home Fios ) .
Sprint has drawbacks - if getting missed call or voicemail notifications is important to you , forget it .
Sometimes I get them days later .
But the phone as a modem plan is a winner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did a survey of tethering options from the big carriers when they closed up the few outbound ports that were still open at work.
The only one I found with a real unlimited data option was Sprint.
I have a Blackberry Curve, and had no data plan (just use it as a phone/PDA).
I had to get the "phone as a modem" addon to my voice plan, which was $40/month (less with discount via my employer).
This also gave me a data plan on my phone so I could browse the web with it as well.
They give you SprintVision software that works as advertised (you get a NIC on your PC with a public IP once you connect).
I use it for remote desktop and occasionally for WoW when away from home (though WoW latency is about double or worse, compared to home Fios).
Sprint has drawbacks - if getting missed call or voicemail notifications is important to you, forget it.
Sometimes I get them days later.
But the phone as a modem plan is a winner.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031422</id>
	<title>Free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257775260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>they are free to kill their sales and nobody should be in urge to stop them</htmltext>
<tokenext>they are free to kill their sales and nobody should be in urge to stop them</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they are free to kill their sales and nobody should be in urge to stop them</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031514</id>
	<title>everything 'costs' something</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257775740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'instant' communications can be a bit frightening. for example, when accessing this page;</p><p>http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes\_all.php</p><p>an hour ago it showed a 7.2 quake in fiji @ 10:44, &amp; @ 4.0 quake in hawaii @ 10:52, which then 'disappeared' (off the usgs chart utc times) a few minutes later, with only the fiji quake left. what more disinformation could we ask for?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'instant ' communications can be a bit frightening .
for example , when accessing this page ; http : //earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes \ _all.phpan hour ago it showed a 7.2 quake in fiji @ 10 : 44 , &amp; @ 4.0 quake in hawaii @ 10 : 52 , which then 'disappeared ' ( off the usgs chart utc times ) a few minutes later , with only the fiji quake left .
what more disinformation could we ask for ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'instant' communications can be a bit frightening.
for example, when accessing this page;http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes\_all.phpan hour ago it showed a 7.2 quake in fiji @ 10:44, &amp; @ 4.0 quake in hawaii @ 10:52, which then 'disappeared' (off the usgs chart utc times) a few minutes later, with only the fiji quake left.
what more disinformation could we ask for?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031884</id>
	<title>Re:Tethering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257778020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still don't get it. With the previous story on iPhone tethering issues I had to Google what tethering actually means. Now, is it just me or is this the same thing as what I used back in '03 with my old Nokia 6210 and an IR port on the laptop? Why is this suddenly a premium service? Yes, I do have an old SE K700i and I do live in EU, but if I want to access the net with my laptop I simply turn on BT on both devices and dial *99#. No special 'unlimited' data plans and no special tethering surcharges...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still do n't get it .
With the previous story on iPhone tethering issues I had to Google what tethering actually means .
Now , is it just me or is this the same thing as what I used back in '03 with my old Nokia 6210 and an IR port on the laptop ?
Why is this suddenly a premium service ?
Yes , I do have an old SE K700i and I do live in EU , but if I want to access the net with my laptop I simply turn on BT on both devices and dial * 99 # .
No special 'unlimited ' data plans and no special tethering surcharges.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still don't get it.
With the previous story on iPhone tethering issues I had to Google what tethering actually means.
Now, is it just me or is this the same thing as what I used back in '03 with my old Nokia 6210 and an IR port on the laptop?
Why is this suddenly a premium service?
Yes, I do have an old SE K700i and I do live in EU, but if I want to access the net with my laptop I simply turn on BT on both devices and dial *99#.
No special 'unlimited' data plans and no special tethering surcharges...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035842</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>thrift24</author>
	<datestamp>1257794160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your almost reading it right, but it's actually 5 Gigabit.  Same as the verizon aircard.  Which interestingly is the exact same price and data limit on tmobile and att air cards.  Funny how they all arrived at the same data cap and pricing...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your almost reading it right , but it 's actually 5 Gigabit .
Same as the verizon aircard .
Which interestingly is the exact same price and data limit on tmobile and att air cards .
Funny how they all arrived at the same data cap and pricing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your almost reading it right, but it's actually 5 Gigabit.
Same as the verizon aircard.
Which interestingly is the exact same price and data limit on tmobile and att air cards.
Funny how they all arrived at the same data cap and pricing...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031546</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031800</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Nerdfest</author>
	<datestamp>1257777480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just out of curiosity, how can a wireless company tell whether or not you're tethering, when you run a device that can run pretty much any sort of software? Also, is a wireless proxy considered tethering? It seems to be quirte ridiculous to charge for a specific amount of bandwidth and then not let you actually use it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just out of curiosity , how can a wireless company tell whether or not you 're tethering , when you run a device that can run pretty much any sort of software ?
Also , is a wireless proxy considered tethering ?
It seems to be quirte ridiculous to charge for a specific amount of bandwidth and then not let you actually use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just out of curiosity, how can a wireless company tell whether or not you're tethering, when you run a device that can run pretty much any sort of software?
Also, is a wireless proxy considered tethering?
It seems to be quirte ridiculous to charge for a specific amount of bandwidth and then not let you actually use it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031518</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035066</id>
	<title>Re:PC World Has it out for the Droid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257791280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Explain this then:</p><p>I just took this straight from Verizon's website</p><p><a href="http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=planFirst&amp;action=viewPlanList&amp;sortOption=priceSort&amp;typeId=3&amp;subTypeId=49&amp;catId=448" title="verizonwireless.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=planFirst&amp;action=viewPlanList&amp;sortOption=priceSort&amp;typeId=3&amp;subTypeId=49&amp;catId=448</a> [verizonwireless.com] </p><blockquote><div><p>DATA PLANS AND FEATURES</p><p>Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, GlobalAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). The Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uploading, downloading or streaming of audio or video programming or games; (ii) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine-to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing; or (iii) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. This means, by way of example only, that checking email, surfing the Internet, downloading legally acquired songs, and/or visiting corporate intranets is permitted, but downloading movies using P2P file sharing services and/or redirecting television signals for viewing on laptops is prohibited.<b> A person engaged in prohibited uses, continuously for one hour, could typically use 100 to 200 MBs, or, if engaged in prohibited uses for 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, could use more than 5 GBs in a month.</b></p><p>For individual use only and not for resale. We reserve the right to protect our network from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows. We reserve the right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, and to deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone we believe is using an Data Plan or Feature in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels. <b>Anyone using more than 5 GB per line in a given month is presumed to be using the service in a manner prohibited above, and we reserve the right to immediately terminate the service of any such person without notice. </b>We also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer Agreement term.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Explain this then : I just took this straight from Verizon 's websitehttp : //www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller ? item = planFirst&amp;action = viewPlanList&amp;sortOption = priceSort&amp;typeId = 3&amp;subTypeId = 49&amp;catId = 448 [ verizonwireless.com ] DATA PLANS AND FEATURESData Plans and Features ( such as NationalAccess , BroadbandAccess , GlobalAccess , Push to Talk , and certain VZEmail services ) may ONLY be used with wireless devices for the following purposes : ( i ) Internet browsing ; ( ii ) email ; and ( iii ) intranet access ( including access to corporate intranets , email , and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management , sales force , and field service automation ) .
The Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose .
Examples of prohibited uses include , without limitation , the following : ( i ) continuous uploading , downloading or streaming of audio or video programming or games ; ( ii ) server devices or host computer applications , including , but not limited to , Web camera posts or broadcasts , automatic data feeds , automated machine-to-machine connections or peer-to-peer ( P2P ) file sharing ; or ( iii ) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections .
This means , by way of example only , that checking email , surfing the Internet , downloading legally acquired songs , and/or visiting corporate intranets is permitted , but downloading movies using P2P file sharing services and/or redirecting television signals for viewing on laptops is prohibited .
A person engaged in prohibited uses , continuously for one hour , could typically use 100 to 200 MBs , or , if engaged in prohibited uses for 10 hours a day , 7 days a week , could use more than 5 GBs in a month.For individual use only and not for resale .
We reserve the right to protect our network from harm , which may impact legitimate data flows .
We reserve the right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred , and to deny or terminate service , without notice , to anyone we believe is using an Data Plan or Feature in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels .
Anyone using more than 5 GB per line in a given month is presumed to be using the service in a manner prohibited above , and we reserve the right to immediately terminate the service of any such person without notice .
We also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer Agreement term .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Explain this then:I just took this straight from Verizon's websitehttp://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=planFirst&amp;action=viewPlanList&amp;sortOption=priceSort&amp;typeId=3&amp;subTypeId=49&amp;catId=448 [verizonwireless.com] DATA PLANS AND FEATURESData Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, GlobalAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation).
The Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose.
Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uploading, downloading or streaming of audio or video programming or games; (ii) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine-to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing; or (iii) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections.
This means, by way of example only, that checking email, surfing the Internet, downloading legally acquired songs, and/or visiting corporate intranets is permitted, but downloading movies using P2P file sharing services and/or redirecting television signals for viewing on laptops is prohibited.
A person engaged in prohibited uses, continuously for one hour, could typically use 100 to 200 MBs, or, if engaged in prohibited uses for 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, could use more than 5 GBs in a month.For individual use only and not for resale.
We reserve the right to protect our network from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows.
We reserve the right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, and to deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone we believe is using an Data Plan or Feature in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels.
Anyone using more than 5 GB per line in a given month is presumed to be using the service in a manner prohibited above, and we reserve the right to immediately terminate the service of any such person without notice.
We also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer Agreement term.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30038848</id>
	<title>Re:Why the sudden outrage?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257763860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't pay the tethering fee for Blackberry! There are several ways around it, personally I use Tetherberry. One time $50 charge for the software and you're good to go. Not the easiest thing to set up, but with the help of their forum I was up and running in no time. I'm assuming there's still a trial period so if you can't get it working then you aren't out anything. All data usage gets applied to the BB's 5GB cap.</p><p>I'll bet there will be similar third-party apps for Droid soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't pay the tethering fee for Blackberry !
There are several ways around it , personally I use Tetherberry .
One time $ 50 charge for the software and you 're good to go .
Not the easiest thing to set up , but with the help of their forum I was up and running in no time .
I 'm assuming there 's still a trial period so if you ca n't get it working then you are n't out anything .
All data usage gets applied to the BB 's 5GB cap.I 'll bet there will be similar third-party apps for Droid soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't pay the tethering fee for Blackberry!
There are several ways around it, personally I use Tetherberry.
One time $50 charge for the software and you're good to go.
Not the easiest thing to set up, but with the help of their forum I was up and running in no time.
I'm assuming there's still a trial period so if you can't get it working then you aren't out anything.
All data usage gets applied to the BB's 5GB cap.I'll bet there will be similar third-party apps for Droid soon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032730</id>
	<title>Rooted phones = free tethering</title>
	<author>BOFslime</author>
	<datestamp>1257781920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">Android Tether</a> [google.com] can be done on any rooted android device.  Though you still have a cap with this "unlimited" plan, and someone at VZ may or may not notice the fact that you're tethering without a tether plan.  But there are ways!   I've used the phone and I think its awesome, but VZ is going to kill it with this.  Anyone with a blackberry data plan care to comment, is this the same deal you guy's get or new for android?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Android Tether [ google.com ] can be done on any rooted android device .
Though you still have a cap with this " unlimited " plan , and someone at VZ may or may not notice the fact that you 're tethering without a tether plan .
But there are ways !
I 've used the phone and I think its awesome , but VZ is going to kill it with this .
Anyone with a blackberry data plan care to comment , is this the same deal you guy 's get or new for android ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android Tether [google.com] can be done on any rooted android device.
Though you still have a cap with this "unlimited" plan, and someone at VZ may or may not notice the fact that you're tethering without a tether plan.
But there are ways!
I've used the phone and I think its awesome, but VZ is going to kill it with this.
Anyone with a blackberry data plan care to comment, is this the same deal you guy's get or new for android?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033970</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking as one of many AT&amp;T users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257787020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Verizon OWNS the state of Virginia. I don't think it's about being willing to invest in infastructure or towers. I think it's colusion between the state and corperation that makes Verizon have such better signal in Virginia.</p><p>It's not only AT&amp;T who has a problem. T-Moble has a hole in there nation wide coverage. That hole is shaped like the state of Virginia. I think it's following legal boundaries not geological ones. West Virginia well covered and Virginia not?</p><p>For me this says try to boycott and break Verizon. nickle and dime them every chance I get. (Sprint's network is O.Kish in Virginia.) For many more this same information says Verizon will and should always be their phone company and let's go sign a two-year all inclusive contract for whatever the rep says will be good for us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Verizon OWNS the state of Virginia .
I do n't think it 's about being willing to invest in infastructure or towers .
I think it 's colusion between the state and corperation that makes Verizon have such better signal in Virginia.It 's not only AT&amp;T who has a problem .
T-Moble has a hole in there nation wide coverage .
That hole is shaped like the state of Virginia .
I think it 's following legal boundaries not geological ones .
West Virginia well covered and Virginia not ? For me this says try to boycott and break Verizon .
nickle and dime them every chance I get .
( Sprint 's network is O.Kish in Virginia .
) For many more this same information says Verizon will and should always be their phone company and let 's go sign a two-year all inclusive contract for whatever the rep says will be good for us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Verizon OWNS the state of Virginia.
I don't think it's about being willing to invest in infastructure or towers.
I think it's colusion between the state and corperation that makes Verizon have such better signal in Virginia.It's not only AT&amp;T who has a problem.
T-Moble has a hole in there nation wide coverage.
That hole is shaped like the state of Virginia.
I think it's following legal boundaries not geological ones.
West Virginia well covered and Virginia not?For me this says try to boycott and break Verizon.
nickle and dime them every chance I get.
(Sprint's network is O.Kish in Virginia.
) For many more this same information says Verizon will and should always be their phone company and let's go sign a two-year all inclusive contract for whatever the rep says will be good for us.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30037012</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Information</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1257799320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>its real easy actually.  Mac Address passthru from the PC is one way. Checking the IPs of the target sites is another (mobile phones don't hit MS's update.com port and download patches through a secure protocol for instance), the browser type sent out in web requests is another.  Of course, the easiest answer is: it;s in the firmware that allows the connection in the first place.  The PC connection is a uniquely identified network adapter, and packets sent to/from it are easy enough to ID within the device, and seperately log.  Bypassing that would require major firmware changes to the device and some impressive hackiung skills.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and YES, thay ARE using traffic monitoring.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>its real easy actually .
Mac Address passthru from the PC is one way .
Checking the IPs of the target sites is another ( mobile phones do n't hit MS 's update.com port and download patches through a secure protocol for instance ) , the browser type sent out in web requests is another .
Of course , the easiest answer is : it ; s in the firmware that allows the connection in the first place .
The PC connection is a uniquely identified network adapter , and packets sent to/from it are easy enough to ID within the device , and seperately log .
Bypassing that would require major firmware changes to the device and some impressive hackiung skills .
...and YES , thay ARE using traffic monitoring .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>its real easy actually.
Mac Address passthru from the PC is one way.
Checking the IPs of the target sites is another (mobile phones don't hit MS's update.com port and download patches through a secure protocol for instance), the browser type sent out in web requests is another.
Of course, the easiest answer is: it;s in the firmware that allows the connection in the first place.
The PC connection is a uniquely identified network adapter, and packets sent to/from it are easy enough to ID within the device, and seperately log.
Bypassing that would require major firmware changes to the device and some impressive hackiung skills.
...and YES, thay ARE using traffic monitoring.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031838</id>
	<title>PC World Has it out for the Droid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257777780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm convinced PC World has it out for the Droid and has only been carrying negative articles about it.  This article is particularly misleading.  First of all, the unlimited phone data plan IS unlimited - it's the tethering, WAN card, Mifi, etc plans that are limited to 5GB a month.  Just head over to the Verizon website and check out the fine print.  Now the catch is if they think you're tethering without a tether plan (which is really easy to do) they'll charge you for tethering.  So if you use 10GB a month of phone data (which, lets be honest here, is not realistic using just your phone) they'll hit you for tethering.<br> <br>Next, the $15 a month for Exchange is if you're an enterprise customer.  I'm not really sure what that means - if they host the account for you, or handle some extra securtity stuff, or what - but if you're just average Joe user with your own personal account, you won't need to pay it.  There is no problem using Exchange with the regular personal data plan.<br> <br>These facts can easily be confirmed by checking out Verizon's website, but the boys over at PCWorld are too busy making out with their iPhones to do any fact checking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm convinced PC World has it out for the Droid and has only been carrying negative articles about it .
This article is particularly misleading .
First of all , the unlimited phone data plan IS unlimited - it 's the tethering , WAN card , Mifi , etc plans that are limited to 5GB a month .
Just head over to the Verizon website and check out the fine print .
Now the catch is if they think you 're tethering without a tether plan ( which is really easy to do ) they 'll charge you for tethering .
So if you use 10GB a month of phone data ( which , lets be honest here , is not realistic using just your phone ) they 'll hit you for tethering .
Next , the $ 15 a month for Exchange is if you 're an enterprise customer .
I 'm not really sure what that means - if they host the account for you , or handle some extra securtity stuff , or what - but if you 're just average Joe user with your own personal account , you wo n't need to pay it .
There is no problem using Exchange with the regular personal data plan .
These facts can easily be confirmed by checking out Verizon 's website , but the boys over at PCWorld are too busy making out with their iPhones to do any fact checking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm convinced PC World has it out for the Droid and has only been carrying negative articles about it.
This article is particularly misleading.
First of all, the unlimited phone data plan IS unlimited - it's the tethering, WAN card, Mifi, etc plans that are limited to 5GB a month.
Just head over to the Verizon website and check out the fine print.
Now the catch is if they think you're tethering without a tether plan (which is really easy to do) they'll charge you for tethering.
So if you use 10GB a month of phone data (which, lets be honest here, is not realistic using just your phone) they'll hit you for tethering.
Next, the $15 a month for Exchange is if you're an enterprise customer.
I'm not really sure what that means - if they host the account for you, or handle some extra securtity stuff, or what - but if you're just average Joe user with your own personal account, you won't need to pay it.
There is no problem using Exchange with the regular personal data plan.
These facts can easily be confirmed by checking out Verizon's website, but the boys over at PCWorld are too busy making out with their iPhones to do any fact checking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035006</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking as one of many AT&amp;T users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257791100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tend to agree with the sentiment, but I cannot honestly see myself going back to Verizon after they turned off my phone's ability to <b>receive</b> phone calls for about a month.</p><p>I thought I was always missing the calls, but I finally received a voicemail one time while less than 300 feet away from a cell phone tower, and I knew something was up.</p><p>I called them, and they said that they had accidentally turned it off on their end (surprised that's even an option!) and since I could still make phone calls, and I occasionally did to call back the people that called me, they refused to give me any sort of refund or reimbursement. I have no idea who might have called and not left a voicemail.  I was pretty upset and shocked that they refused to refund money, and I even told them that I would be changing providers if they didn't--they didn't, and I have been with Cingular/AT&amp;T ever since.</p><p>I am disappointed with the call quality, dropped calls, and the dead zones, but even with all of that, I do not want to go back to Verizon due to the way that I was treated.  So, [everyone,] if you go back to Verizon, that's the kind of company you will be going too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tend to agree with the sentiment , but I can not honestly see myself going back to Verizon after they turned off my phone 's ability to receive phone calls for about a month.I thought I was always missing the calls , but I finally received a voicemail one time while less than 300 feet away from a cell phone tower , and I knew something was up.I called them , and they said that they had accidentally turned it off on their end ( surprised that 's even an option !
) and since I could still make phone calls , and I occasionally did to call back the people that called me , they refused to give me any sort of refund or reimbursement .
I have no idea who might have called and not left a voicemail .
I was pretty upset and shocked that they refused to refund money , and I even told them that I would be changing providers if they did n't--they did n't , and I have been with Cingular/AT&amp;T ever since.I am disappointed with the call quality , dropped calls , and the dead zones , but even with all of that , I do not want to go back to Verizon due to the way that I was treated .
So , [ everyone , ] if you go back to Verizon , that 's the kind of company you will be going too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tend to agree with the sentiment, but I cannot honestly see myself going back to Verizon after they turned off my phone's ability to receive phone calls for about a month.I thought I was always missing the calls, but I finally received a voicemail one time while less than 300 feet away from a cell phone tower, and I knew something was up.I called them, and they said that they had accidentally turned it off on their end (surprised that's even an option!
) and since I could still make phone calls, and I occasionally did to call back the people that called me, they refused to give me any sort of refund or reimbursement.
I have no idea who might have called and not left a voicemail.
I was pretty upset and shocked that they refused to refund money, and I even told them that I would be changing providers if they didn't--they didn't, and I have been with Cingular/AT&amp;T ever since.I am disappointed with the call quality, dropped calls, and the dead zones, but even with all of that, I do not want to go back to Verizon due to the way that I was treated.
So, [everyone,] if you go back to Verizon, that's the kind of company you will be going too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30036702</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon = US, right?</title>
	<author>cfulmer</author>
	<datestamp>1257798000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Typically in the US, the deal is that you get a big discount on a phone if you agree to a 1- or 2- year contract with the carrier.  It's possible to buy most phones without that discount and take the phone to any carrier that supports that phone's technology, without signing up for the contract.  However, except for T-Mobile, there's no discount on service in that case -- you're just not locked in for 2 years.  And, the price increase is huge -- at Amazon, the Droid goes from $149 to $529.  So, people usually buy the contract with the phone.

The original version of the Droid happens to use only Verizon's technology, so you're pretty much locked in anyway.  But, it won't be long before GSM versions are available for use in other countries.  At that point, you'll be able to buy a Droid and use it on either AT&amp;T's or T-Mobile's network.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Typically in the US , the deal is that you get a big discount on a phone if you agree to a 1- or 2- year contract with the carrier .
It 's possible to buy most phones without that discount and take the phone to any carrier that supports that phone 's technology , without signing up for the contract .
However , except for T-Mobile , there 's no discount on service in that case -- you 're just not locked in for 2 years .
And , the price increase is huge -- at Amazon , the Droid goes from $ 149 to $ 529 .
So , people usually buy the contract with the phone .
The original version of the Droid happens to use only Verizon 's technology , so you 're pretty much locked in anyway .
But , it wo n't be long before GSM versions are available for use in other countries .
At that point , you 'll be able to buy a Droid and use it on either AT&amp;T 's or T-Mobile 's network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typically in the US, the deal is that you get a big discount on a phone if you agree to a 1- or 2- year contract with the carrier.
It's possible to buy most phones without that discount and take the phone to any carrier that supports that phone's technology, without signing up for the contract.
However, except for T-Mobile, there's no discount on service in that case -- you're just not locked in for 2 years.
And, the price increase is huge -- at Amazon, the Droid goes from $149 to $529.
So, people usually buy the contract with the phone.
The original version of the Droid happens to use only Verizon's technology, so you're pretty much locked in anyway.
But, it won't be long before GSM versions are available for use in other countries.
At that point, you'll be able to buy a Droid and use it on either AT&amp;T's or T-Mobile's network.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30037082</id>
	<title>Re:PC World Has it out for the Droid</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1257799620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've actually only seen pretty favorable reviews of the Droid so far.</p><p>However, the fact the device has some limitations yet vs the iPhone, also can not yet tether (though Verizon publically slammed AT&amp;T for that little limit on the iPhone pretty hard), the app community is basically non-existent and the pay-for apps are almost across the board more expensive when you do find some, it gets less battery life, and the device is not only price the same but costs potentially $35 more per month to use ($15 for exchange and AT&amp;T is romored to be offering a 5GB tether cap for only $10 for the iPhone soon), its still not good enough.</p><p>Maybe in 6-12 months after the app community is on it's feet with 25K+ apps competitive on price and function to the iTunes Store offerings, we get to a 2.2 or 2.3 release, and when Verizon matches the costs $ for $, then maybe Droid will complete (of course, a new iPhone and OS 4 will be coming out in June, so they better move FAST)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've actually only seen pretty favorable reviews of the Droid so far.However , the fact the device has some limitations yet vs the iPhone , also can not yet tether ( though Verizon publically slammed AT&amp;T for that little limit on the iPhone pretty hard ) , the app community is basically non-existent and the pay-for apps are almost across the board more expensive when you do find some , it gets less battery life , and the device is not only price the same but costs potentially $ 35 more per month to use ( $ 15 for exchange and AT&amp;T is romored to be offering a 5GB tether cap for only $ 10 for the iPhone soon ) , its still not good enough.Maybe in 6-12 months after the app community is on it 's feet with 25K + apps competitive on price and function to the iTunes Store offerings , we get to a 2.2 or 2.3 release , and when Verizon matches the costs $ for $ , then maybe Droid will complete ( of course , a new iPhone and OS 4 will be coming out in June , so they better move FAST )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've actually only seen pretty favorable reviews of the Droid so far.However, the fact the device has some limitations yet vs the iPhone, also can not yet tether (though Verizon publically slammed AT&amp;T for that little limit on the iPhone pretty hard), the app community is basically non-existent and the pay-for apps are almost across the board more expensive when you do find some, it gets less battery life, and the device is not only price the same but costs potentially $35 more per month to use ($15 for exchange and AT&amp;T is romored to be offering a 5GB tether cap for only $10 for the iPhone soon), its still not good enough.Maybe in 6-12 months after the app community is on it's feet with 25K+ apps competitive on price and function to the iTunes Store offerings, we get to a 2.2 or 2.3 release, and when Verizon matches the costs $ for $, then maybe Droid will complete (of course, a new iPhone and OS 4 will be coming out in June, so they better move FAST)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30056320</id>
	<title>Summary IS dead wrong</title>
	<author>Guardian452com</author>
	<datestamp>1257875520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have never heard of unlimited bandwidth for wireless data card, or USB modem for PC.  I have been looking, and looking hard, as I also live in a rural environment. More info is needed to confirm that accusation.

I finally decided on a combination of both tethering (Verizon BB Storm) and satellite (WildBlue) both suck (mildly) for PC use, but I'm not going back to dial-up.  As of three months ago I paid monthly $140.00 for internet at my house ($5 dial-up)($65 ATT Netbook)($30 BB Storm tethered)($40 WildBlue), had to drop ATT because the service sucked, didn't need dial-up if I was getting rid of my house phone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have never heard of unlimited bandwidth for wireless data card , or USB modem for PC .
I have been looking , and looking hard , as I also live in a rural environment .
More info is needed to confirm that accusation .
I finally decided on a combination of both tethering ( Verizon BB Storm ) and satellite ( WildBlue ) both suck ( mildly ) for PC use , but I 'm not going back to dial-up .
As of three months ago I paid monthly $ 140.00 for internet at my house ( $ 5 dial-up ) ( $ 65 ATT Netbook ) ( $ 30 BB Storm tethered ) ( $ 40 WildBlue ) , had to drop ATT because the service sucked , did n't need dial-up if I was getting rid of my house phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have never heard of unlimited bandwidth for wireless data card, or USB modem for PC.
I have been looking, and looking hard, as I also live in a rural environment.
More info is needed to confirm that accusation.
I finally decided on a combination of both tethering (Verizon BB Storm) and satellite (WildBlue) both suck (mildly) for PC use, but I'm not going back to dial-up.
As of three months ago I paid monthly $140.00 for internet at my house ($5 dial-up)($65 ATT Netbook)($30 BB Storm tethered)($40 WildBlue), had to drop ATT because the service sucked, didn't need dial-up if I was getting rid of my house phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035708</id>
	<title>Re:PC World Has it out for the Droid</title>
	<author>mounthood</author>
	<datestamp>1257793740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>  Just head over to the Verizon website and check out the fine print.</p> </div><p>WTF? Are you serious?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>  Now the catch is if they think you're tethering without a tether plan (which is really easy to do) they'll charge you for tethering.</p></div><p>So they just charge you an outrageous amount ($50/gig) if they feel like it? And you're defending this?

<br>
<br>

Not hard to see why people believe the worst about cell phone companies and run articles saying so.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just head over to the Verizon website and check out the fine print .
WTF ? Are you serious ?
Now the catch is if they think you 're tethering without a tether plan ( which is really easy to do ) they 'll charge you for tethering.So they just charge you an outrageous amount ( $ 50/gig ) if they feel like it ?
And you 're defending this ?
Not hard to see why people believe the worst about cell phone companies and run articles saying so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  Just head over to the Verizon website and check out the fine print.
WTF? Are you serious?
Now the catch is if they think you're tethering without a tether plan (which is really easy to do) they'll charge you for tethering.So they just charge you an outrageous amount ($50/gig) if they feel like it?
And you're defending this?
Not hard to see why people believe the worst about cell phone companies and run articles saying so.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032366</id>
	<title>Why can't we do something about advertising fraud?</title>
	<author>DougReed</author>
	<datestamp>1257780600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Verizon sells 'Unlimited' data plans that cap out at 5 Gb.  AT&amp;T advertises the 'fastest 3g network' with 'more bars in more places' with the smallest 3g network of any carrier.  And that's just the wireless carriers.  There is so much blatant advertising fraud on American TV anymore, yet nobody seems to notice or care.<br>I can see how AT&amp;T can argue their lies aren't<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..  They have 'the fastest 3g network' even if it's only available at the stop sign in on main street in Barstow California, and nowhere does it say that the more bars are 3g bars.  As long as there is a signal, they are covered, and they don't say more bars than who?  But I cannot imagine how Verizon can argue can argue that a 5Gb limit is 'Unlimited'.  It's all fraudulent by intent, but since there is no morality in advertising, I guess it can exist, but 5Gb 'Unlimited' access I would think is actionable.  Maybe Pamela Jones can explain it all to us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Verizon sells 'Unlimited ' data plans that cap out at 5 Gb .
AT&amp;T advertises the 'fastest 3g network ' with 'more bars in more places ' with the smallest 3g network of any carrier .
And that 's just the wireless carriers .
There is so much blatant advertising fraud on American TV anymore , yet nobody seems to notice or care.I can see how AT&amp;T can argue their lies are n't .. They have 'the fastest 3g network ' even if it 's only available at the stop sign in on main street in Barstow California , and nowhere does it say that the more bars are 3g bars .
As long as there is a signal , they are covered , and they do n't say more bars than who ?
But I can not imagine how Verizon can argue can argue that a 5Gb limit is 'Unlimited' .
It 's all fraudulent by intent , but since there is no morality in advertising , I guess it can exist , but 5Gb 'Unlimited ' access I would think is actionable .
Maybe Pamela Jones can explain it all to us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Verizon sells 'Unlimited' data plans that cap out at 5 Gb.
AT&amp;T advertises the 'fastest 3g network' with 'more bars in more places' with the smallest 3g network of any carrier.
And that's just the wireless carriers.
There is so much blatant advertising fraud on American TV anymore, yet nobody seems to notice or care.I can see how AT&amp;T can argue their lies aren't ..  They have 'the fastest 3g network' even if it's only available at the stop sign in on main street in Barstow California, and nowhere does it say that the more bars are 3g bars.
As long as there is a signal, they are covered, and they don't say more bars than who?
But I cannot imagine how Verizon can argue can argue that a 5Gb limit is 'Unlimited'.
It's all fraudulent by intent, but since there is no morality in advertising, I guess it can exist, but 5Gb 'Unlimited' access I would think is actionable.
Maybe Pamela Jones can explain it all to us.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032990</id>
	<title>Re:Why the sudden outrage?</title>
	<author>aftk2</author>
	<datestamp>1257783000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That, and the fact that tech news sites have realized they can just repost all the cautionary articles originally written for the iPhone, after a simple search and replace.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That , and the fact that tech news sites have realized they can just repost all the cautionary articles originally written for the iPhone , after a simple search and replace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That, and the fact that tech news sites have realized they can just repost all the cautionary articles originally written for the iPhone, after a simple search and replace.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031786</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30041142</id>
	<title>Re:generally favorable reviews?</title>
	<author>\_Sprocket\_</author>
	<datestamp>1257776460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A battery cover that falls off? A physical keyboard that "peels" off?</p></div><p>I've had my Droid since Friday morning and yet to see any sign of any of this.  So it piqued my curiosity.</p><p>I could sort of see the back panel coming off if you catch it right.  Mine is on there pretty snug.  And it sort of locks in place as you slide it home.  I'll watch for this happening in the future.  But I'm not exactly expecting it to.</p><p>As for the keyboard, it turns out the keyboard issue was due to a protector being installed incorrectly on the individual's Droid.  Yeah, if I run my fingernail around the little keys, I can get it to sort of catch.  I could probably peel off the tops of the keyboards with a bit of effort.  But I wouldn't have known this was even possible if it weren't for this article (thanks for the heads-up).  And I couldn't imagine any keyboard would appreciate the rough treatment this protector was dishing out.  Once again - I'll have to see if this is a problem long-term.</p><p>Scoble has some decent points - don't get me wrong.  After all, there's plenty of little rough edges to be found on the Droid.  But I get this feeling that although the criticism is welcome, he's being a bit picky about some of his points.</p><p>I've yet to really regret my purchase.  The Droid is turning out to be what I wanted it to be.  But be cautious - YMMV.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A battery cover that falls off ?
A physical keyboard that " peels " off ? I 've had my Droid since Friday morning and yet to see any sign of any of this .
So it piqued my curiosity.I could sort of see the back panel coming off if you catch it right .
Mine is on there pretty snug .
And it sort of locks in place as you slide it home .
I 'll watch for this happening in the future .
But I 'm not exactly expecting it to.As for the keyboard , it turns out the keyboard issue was due to a protector being installed incorrectly on the individual 's Droid .
Yeah , if I run my fingernail around the little keys , I can get it to sort of catch .
I could probably peel off the tops of the keyboards with a bit of effort .
But I would n't have known this was even possible if it were n't for this article ( thanks for the heads-up ) .
And I could n't imagine any keyboard would appreciate the rough treatment this protector was dishing out .
Once again - I 'll have to see if this is a problem long-term.Scoble has some decent points - do n't get me wrong .
After all , there 's plenty of little rough edges to be found on the Droid .
But I get this feeling that although the criticism is welcome , he 's being a bit picky about some of his points.I 've yet to really regret my purchase .
The Droid is turning out to be what I wanted it to be .
But be cautious - YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A battery cover that falls off?
A physical keyboard that "peels" off?I've had my Droid since Friday morning and yet to see any sign of any of this.
So it piqued my curiosity.I could sort of see the back panel coming off if you catch it right.
Mine is on there pretty snug.
And it sort of locks in place as you slide it home.
I'll watch for this happening in the future.
But I'm not exactly expecting it to.As for the keyboard, it turns out the keyboard issue was due to a protector being installed incorrectly on the individual's Droid.
Yeah, if I run my fingernail around the little keys, I can get it to sort of catch.
I could probably peel off the tops of the keyboards with a bit of effort.
But I wouldn't have known this was even possible if it weren't for this article (thanks for the heads-up).
And I couldn't imagine any keyboard would appreciate the rough treatment this protector was dishing out.
Once again - I'll have to see if this is a problem long-term.Scoble has some decent points - don't get me wrong.
After all, there's plenty of little rough edges to be found on the Droid.
But I get this feeling that although the criticism is welcome, he's being a bit picky about some of his points.I've yet to really regret my purchase.
The Droid is turning out to be what I wanted it to be.
But be cautious - YMMV.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031530</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031654</id>
	<title>Re:It'd be nice if they stopped lying.</title>
	<author>buckhead\_buddy</author>
	<datestamp>1257776700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You misunderstand; it's the fees that are unlimited rather than the service provided.</p><p>A "limited" account would have a cap on how much Verizon could potentially charge you per month.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You misunderstand ; it 's the fees that are unlimited rather than the service provided.A " limited " account would have a cap on how much Verizon could potentially charge you per month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You misunderstand; it's the fees that are unlimited rather than the service provided.A "limited" account would have a cap on how much Verizon could potentially charge you per month.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031410</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031640</id>
	<title>Microsoft Exchange email account you ...$15</title>
	<author>wiredog</author>
	<datestamp>1257776580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. Not <i>any</i> Exchange account, only the one that is provided <i>by Verizon</i>.  Connecting to your corporate account doesn't cost anything extra.  Other than getting the data plan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
Not any Exchange account , only the one that is provided by Verizon .
Connecting to your corporate account does n't cost anything extra .
Other than getting the data plan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
Not any Exchange account, only the one that is provided by Verizon.
Connecting to your corporate account doesn't cost anything extra.
Other than getting the data plan.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30042052</id>
	<title>What is the big deal with tethering in the US?</title>
	<author>mato</author>
	<datestamp>1257785040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could someone please explain to me what is the big deal with tethering in the US? I live in Europe, specifically in Slovakia, and here we have data plans as cheap as 6 EUR/month for an essentially unlimited (AFAIK technically 4GB/month FUP) amount of data. Mobile operators here couldn't care less about tethering and they certainly don't go out of their way to prevent it! I find it hard to understand why it's such a big deal in the states and why I keep seeing headlines about XYZ limited/disabled/outrageously expensive tethering.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could someone please explain to me what is the big deal with tethering in the US ?
I live in Europe , specifically in Slovakia , and here we have data plans as cheap as 6 EUR/month for an essentially unlimited ( AFAIK technically 4GB/month FUP ) amount of data .
Mobile operators here could n't care less about tethering and they certainly do n't go out of their way to prevent it !
I find it hard to understand why it 's such a big deal in the states and why I keep seeing headlines about XYZ limited/disabled/outrageously expensive tethering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could someone please explain to me what is the big deal with tethering in the US?
I live in Europe, specifically in Slovakia, and here we have data plans as cheap as 6 EUR/month for an essentially unlimited (AFAIK technically 4GB/month FUP) amount of data.
Mobile operators here couldn't care less about tethering and they certainly don't go out of their way to prevent it!
I find it hard to understand why it's such a big deal in the states and why I keep seeing headlines about XYZ limited/disabled/outrageously expensive tethering.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30036810</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking as one of many AT&amp;T users</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1257798420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, the moral of the story is you should not buy a device for use in your area without looking at a local map of towers first.  Also, after the first few days, you could have easily returned both iPhones for a full refund to AT&amp;T (no penalty, only 3 or 4 days of prorated use).</p><p>I live in an area permeated with AT&amp;T towers, and my 2 iPhones get 5 bars here in our corporate complex, and even sprint phones, connected to a TOWER ON THE ROOF, get fewer bars and dropped calls.  Verizon is god awful here, even dropping calls on major interstates and piss-poor quality anywhere that's not near a college campus or the center of downtown.</p><p>Also, $119 PER iPhone???  wtf plan do you have?  I pay about that per month TOTAL, for 2 iPhones, and we're on the 1400 minute family plan...   You're not paying for 2 seperate unlimited plans are you?  I'm sure if you looked at your bill, and dropped to the lowest plan that supports the a-list and put a few of your most popular numbers in, you;de save $60-80 a month (or use google voice as a pass-through, and put your google number in as one of your 5 numbers).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , the moral of the story is you should not buy a device for use in your area without looking at a local map of towers first .
Also , after the first few days , you could have easily returned both iPhones for a full refund to AT&amp;T ( no penalty , only 3 or 4 days of prorated use ) .I live in an area permeated with AT&amp;T towers , and my 2 iPhones get 5 bars here in our corporate complex , and even sprint phones , connected to a TOWER ON THE ROOF , get fewer bars and dropped calls .
Verizon is god awful here , even dropping calls on major interstates and piss-poor quality anywhere that 's not near a college campus or the center of downtown.Also , $ 119 PER iPhone ? ? ?
wtf plan do you have ?
I pay about that per month TOTAL , for 2 iPhones , and we 're on the 1400 minute family plan... You 're not paying for 2 seperate unlimited plans are you ?
I 'm sure if you looked at your bill , and dropped to the lowest plan that supports the a-list and put a few of your most popular numbers in , you ; de save $ 60-80 a month ( or use google voice as a pass-through , and put your google number in as one of your 5 numbers ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, the moral of the story is you should not buy a device for use in your area without looking at a local map of towers first.
Also, after the first few days, you could have easily returned both iPhones for a full refund to AT&amp;T (no penalty, only 3 or 4 days of prorated use).I live in an area permeated with AT&amp;T towers, and my 2 iPhones get 5 bars here in our corporate complex, and even sprint phones, connected to a TOWER ON THE ROOF, get fewer bars and dropped calls.
Verizon is god awful here, even dropping calls on major interstates and piss-poor quality anywhere that's not near a college campus or the center of downtown.Also, $119 PER iPhone???
wtf plan do you have?
I pay about that per month TOTAL, for 2 iPhones, and we're on the 1400 minute family plan...   You're not paying for 2 seperate unlimited plans are you?
I'm sure if you looked at your bill, and dropped to the lowest plan that supports the a-list and put a few of your most popular numbers in, you;de save $60-80 a month (or use google voice as a pass-through, and put your google number in as one of your 5 numbers).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031612</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031604</id>
	<title>Out the door pricing</title>
	<author>Kleppy</author>
	<datestamp>1257776400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why can't companies just put a huge $$ tag on everything and just say "Here's how bad we're going to F^&amp;$ you. Have a nice day."

I think I'd be less pissed when I opened the box knowing I'm about to take it up the pooper.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't companies just put a huge $ $ tag on everything and just say " Here 's how bad we 're going to F ^ &amp; $ you .
Have a nice day .
" I think I 'd be less pissed when I opened the box knowing I 'm about to take it up the pooper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't companies just put a huge $$ tag on everything and just say "Here's how bad we're going to F^&amp;$ you.
Have a nice day.
"

I think I'd be less pissed when I opened the box knowing I'm about to take it up the pooper.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033024</id>
	<title>What does "unlimited" mean to most people?</title>
	<author>Nerdposeur</author>
	<datestamp>1257783120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Actually, all "unlimited" plans are limited. Just multiply maximum bandwidth by days in the month to figure out your monthly cap.</p></div></blockquote><p>While you're technically correct, I don't think that most people understand "unlimited" to mean "infinite." I wouldn't say that I have "limited" water at home, even though, yes, technically, I can only fill a finite number of buckets in a month.</p><p>There's a big difference between "we're cutting you off" and "you can have as much as we can physically give you."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , all " unlimited " plans are limited .
Just multiply maximum bandwidth by days in the month to figure out your monthly cap.While you 're technically correct , I do n't think that most people understand " unlimited " to mean " infinite .
" I would n't say that I have " limited " water at home , even though , yes , technically , I can only fill a finite number of buckets in a month.There 's a big difference between " we 're cutting you off " and " you can have as much as we can physically give you .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, all "unlimited" plans are limited.
Just multiply maximum bandwidth by days in the month to figure out your monthly cap.While you're technically correct, I don't think that most people understand "unlimited" to mean "infinite.
" I wouldn't say that I have "limited" water at home, even though, yes, technically, I can only fill a finite number of buckets in a month.There's a big difference between "we're cutting you off" and "you can have as much as we can physically give you.
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031776</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034348</id>
	<title>New slogan forthcoming?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257788460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure it won't be long before the Android developer community responds with "There's a hack for that"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure it wo n't be long before the Android developer community responds with " There 's a hack for that "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure it won't be long before the Android developer community responds with "There's a hack for that"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30039440</id>
	<title>Nice "facts"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257766500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Unlimited data for phones and smartphones is sold and advertised as unlimited, and is really unlimited, within reason (I'm sure they make sure there are no abuses of their network such as those users that tether without purchasing a tethering plan).<br>2) There is no such thing as unlimited mobile broadband or tethering. Verizon doesn't offer it or pretend it exists in their services.</p><p>Prove me wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Unlimited data for phones and smartphones is sold and advertised as unlimited , and is really unlimited , within reason ( I 'm sure they make sure there are no abuses of their network such as those users that tether without purchasing a tethering plan ) .2 ) There is no such thing as unlimited mobile broadband or tethering .
Verizon does n't offer it or pretend it exists in their services.Prove me wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Unlimited data for phones and smartphones is sold and advertised as unlimited, and is really unlimited, within reason (I'm sure they make sure there are no abuses of their network such as those users that tether without purchasing a tethering plan).2) There is no such thing as unlimited mobile broadband or tethering.
Verizon doesn't offer it or pretend it exists in their services.Prove me wrong.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031418</id>
	<title>unlimited</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257775260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>hmm - there must be another meaning for this word I did not know about</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hmm - there must be another meaning for this word I did not know about</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hmm - there must be another meaning for this word I did not know about</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034880</id>
	<title>Verizon Droid/RyeBrye</title>
	<author>PCWizardsinc</author>
	<datestamp>1257790560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Has anyone with a Verizon Droid tried the RyeBrye hack on it?

It would be interesting to know if the Verizon units are as easy to mod as the T-mobile ones...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone with a Verizon Droid tried the RyeBrye hack on it ?
It would be interesting to know if the Verizon units are as easy to mod as the T-mobile ones.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone with a Verizon Droid tried the RyeBrye hack on it?
It would be interesting to know if the Verizon units are as easy to mod as the T-mobile ones...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033638</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon = US, right?</title>
	<author>EvilJoker</author>
	<datestamp>1257785580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was under the impression that all phones released recently were at least dual-band (850/1900 in the US, 900/1800 in EU), with a 3rd or even 4th band to allow usage in another country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was under the impression that all phones released recently were at least dual-band ( 850/1900 in the US , 900/1800 in EU ) , with a 3rd or even 4th band to allow usage in another country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was under the impression that all phones released recently were at least dual-band (850/1900 in the US, 900/1800 in EU), with a 3rd or even 4th band to allow usage in another country.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032614</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033624</id>
	<title>Re:Summary is dead wrong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257785520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The summary is <b> <i>not</i> </b> wrong.  You may be lucky to not be caught, but my brother and his wife were - they had an absolutely outrageous bill.</p><p>They were suckered in by Verizon's "unlimited" wording.  They lived in rural Texas where no other form of broadband (except satellite) was feasible.  They got the USB modem and used it, until the first month's bill showed up for nearly $1000.  (The wife loves her MySpace and Facebook and YouTube)</p><p>You can claim it's their fault all you want, but expecting non-computer savvy people to understand what 5GB is, and the fact that it's not "unlimited" like they state is deceiving and unethical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary is not wrong .
You may be lucky to not be caught , but my brother and his wife were - they had an absolutely outrageous bill.They were suckered in by Verizon 's " unlimited " wording .
They lived in rural Texas where no other form of broadband ( except satellite ) was feasible .
They got the USB modem and used it , until the first month 's bill showed up for nearly $ 1000 .
( The wife loves her MySpace and Facebook and YouTube ) You can claim it 's their fault all you want , but expecting non-computer savvy people to understand what 5GB is , and the fact that it 's not " unlimited " like they state is deceiving and unethical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary is  not  wrong.
You may be lucky to not be caught, but my brother and his wife were - they had an absolutely outrageous bill.They were suckered in by Verizon's "unlimited" wording.
They lived in rural Texas where no other form of broadband (except satellite) was feasible.
They got the USB modem and used it, until the first month's bill showed up for nearly $1000.
(The wife loves her MySpace and Facebook and YouTube)You can claim it's their fault all you want, but expecting non-computer savvy people to understand what 5GB is, and the fact that it's not "unlimited" like they state is deceiving and unethical.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031666</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031552</id>
	<title>Suckers...</title>
	<author>bkr1\_2k</author>
	<datestamp>1257776040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And people will still pay this extortionist price because they absolutely must have the latest electronic crack pipe available.  Suckers.  People will never learn, at least here in the USA that the only way to force companies not to do this shit is to stop paying them to do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And people will still pay this extortionist price because they absolutely must have the latest electronic crack pipe available .
Suckers. People will never learn , at least here in the USA that the only way to force companies not to do this shit is to stop paying them to do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And people will still pay this extortionist price because they absolutely must have the latest electronic crack pipe available.
Suckers.  People will never learn, at least here in the USA that the only way to force companies not to do this shit is to stop paying them to do it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031930</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon = US, right?</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1257778380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;So does that mean that you can only get a Droid telephone with a verizon account?</p><p>Yeah. It even has the Verizon logo engraved on the back, right near Google's.</p><p>&gt;&gt;Say what you might about the EU, they really whipped the mobile telco's into submission and as such, we don't have a system where your phone is branded by the telco.</p><p>There's a few areas where the EU leads America, and this is one of them.</p><p>That said, I actually like the Droid, but the niggardly things like charging for tethering on what is theoretically an open source system and so people should be able to hack it to do it for free... yeah, that's Verizon for you.</p><p>The only really shocking thing about the phone is the free GPS - Verizon is used to charging $8/day for GPS directions on its phone, and not only is it free on the Droid, but it's actually a pretty respectable replacement for my Nuvi.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; So does that mean that you can only get a Droid telephone with a verizon account ? Yeah .
It even has the Verizon logo engraved on the back , right near Google 's. &gt; &gt; Say what you might about the EU , they really whipped the mobile telco 's into submission and as such , we do n't have a system where your phone is branded by the telco.There 's a few areas where the EU leads America , and this is one of them.That said , I actually like the Droid , but the niggardly things like charging for tethering on what is theoretically an open source system and so people should be able to hack it to do it for free... yeah , that 's Verizon for you.The only really shocking thing about the phone is the free GPS - Verizon is used to charging $ 8/day for GPS directions on its phone , and not only is it free on the Droid , but it 's actually a pretty respectable replacement for my Nuvi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;So does that mean that you can only get a Droid telephone with a verizon account?Yeah.
It even has the Verizon logo engraved on the back, right near Google's.&gt;&gt;Say what you might about the EU, they really whipped the mobile telco's into submission and as such, we don't have a system where your phone is branded by the telco.There's a few areas where the EU leads America, and this is one of them.That said, I actually like the Droid, but the niggardly things like charging for tethering on what is theoretically an open source system and so people should be able to hack it to do it for free... yeah, that's Verizon for you.The only really shocking thing about the phone is the free GPS - Verizon is used to charging $8/day for GPS directions on its phone, and not only is it free on the Droid, but it's actually a pretty respectable replacement for my Nuvi.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032314</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257780300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just a note - the iPhone's "Unlimited Data" plan is also now capped at 5 GB/month.  It used to be truly unlimited but that didn't last too long..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just a note - the iPhone 's " Unlimited Data " plan is also now capped at 5 GB/month .
It used to be truly unlimited but that did n't last too long. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just a note - the iPhone's "Unlimited Data" plan is also now capped at 5 GB/month.
It used to be truly unlimited but that didn't last too long..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031518</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30045144</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>BoothbyTCD</author>
	<datestamp>1257866400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to be too snarky, but can I pick C) non of the above and just use cell phones to make phone calls, not as a half-assed computer? I have a lovely little netbook for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to be too snarky , but can I pick C ) non of the above and just use cell phones to make phone calls , not as a half-assed computer ?
I have a lovely little netbook for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to be too snarky, but can I pick C) non of the above and just use cell phones to make phone calls, not as a half-assed computer?
I have a lovely little netbook for that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031822</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031806</id>
	<title>US cellphone business sucks</title>
	<author>Noghlin</author>
	<datestamp>1257777600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tethering has always been free in Sweden, I've been using it since like 2001 or something.

We have the same cellphone network standard in not only Sweden but the whole EU as far as I know.

I even know two competitive operators here in Sweden (Tele2 and Telia) that share the same network for 3G (called Sweden3G).

We also don't have branded phones, most of our phones are sold unlocked and can be used with any operator you like.

etc

I feel sorry for you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tethering has always been free in Sweden , I 've been using it since like 2001 or something .
We have the same cellphone network standard in not only Sweden but the whole EU as far as I know .
I even know two competitive operators here in Sweden ( Tele2 and Telia ) that share the same network for 3G ( called Sweden3G ) .
We also do n't have branded phones , most of our phones are sold unlocked and can be used with any operator you like .
etc I feel sorry for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tethering has always been free in Sweden, I've been using it since like 2001 or something.
We have the same cellphone network standard in not only Sweden but the whole EU as far as I know.
I even know two competitive operators here in Sweden (Tele2 and Telia) that share the same network for 3G (called Sweden3G).
We also don't have branded phones, most of our phones are sold unlocked and can be used with any operator you like.
etc

I feel sorry for you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031954</id>
	<title>There are other ways to tether</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257778500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are many other ways to tether your computer to a smart phone other than the Verizon approved way.  These are, of course, against the terms of service, but are still relativley simple and much cheaper than $30 a month.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are many other ways to tether your computer to a smart phone other than the Verizon approved way .
These are , of course , against the terms of service , but are still relativley simple and much cheaper than $ 30 a month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are many other ways to tether your computer to a smart phone other than the Verizon approved way.
These are, of course, against the terms of service, but are still relativley simple and much cheaper than $30 a month.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032630</id>
	<title>Unlimited</title>
	<author>LtGordon</author>
	<datestamp>1257781620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... $30 per month for the mandatory 'unlimited' data plan that has a monthly cap of 5Gb.</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>Verizon has confirmed that tethering will cost another $30 per month for an additional unlimited data plan that is also limited to 5Gb.</p></div><p>You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... $ 30 per month for the mandatory 'unlimited ' data plan that has a monthly cap of 5Gb.Verizon has confirmed that tethering will cost another $ 30 per month for an additional unlimited data plan that is also limited to 5Gb.You keep using that word .
I do not think it means what you think it means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... $30 per month for the mandatory 'unlimited' data plan that has a monthly cap of 5Gb.Verizon has confirmed that tethering will cost another $30 per month for an additional unlimited data plan that is also limited to 5Gb.You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30040550</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Information</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1257772440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And you think that setup is BETTER?</p><p>5 GB / month for $30 is honest and up front.  You know what you're getting.  They should stop advertising it as "unlimited", but other than that it's fine.</p><p>The setup you describe is horrible.  Basically, give us your $30 and we'll decide when you've used to much.  Right now, with not too many people using much, we really don't care about your 6 GB / month.  But three months from now, when a bunch of Droid users are sucking up more bandwidth than we expected, we might start coming down on you when you hit 5 GB.  Or 4 GB.  Or 1 GB.</p><p>The AT&amp;T data plan was supposedly unlimited when the iPhone came out too.  Then they decided the limit was going to be 5 GB.  Ish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And you think that setup is BETTER ? 5 GB / month for $ 30 is honest and up front .
You know what you 're getting .
They should stop advertising it as " unlimited " , but other than that it 's fine.The setup you describe is horrible .
Basically , give us your $ 30 and we 'll decide when you 've used to much .
Right now , with not too many people using much , we really do n't care about your 6 GB / month .
But three months from now , when a bunch of Droid users are sucking up more bandwidth than we expected , we might start coming down on you when you hit 5 GB .
Or 4 GB .
Or 1 GB.The AT&amp;T data plan was supposedly unlimited when the iPhone came out too .
Then they decided the limit was going to be 5 GB .
Ish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And you think that setup is BETTER?5 GB / month for $30 is honest and up front.
You know what you're getting.
They should stop advertising it as "unlimited", but other than that it's fine.The setup you describe is horrible.
Basically, give us your $30 and we'll decide when you've used to much.
Right now, with not too many people using much, we really don't care about your 6 GB / month.
But three months from now, when a bunch of Droid users are sucking up more bandwidth than we expected, we might start coming down on you when you hit 5 GB.
Or 4 GB.
Or 1 GB.The AT&amp;T data plan was supposedly unlimited when the iPhone came out too.
Then they decided the limit was going to be 5 GB.
Ish.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031818</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034754</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon = US, right?</title>
	<author>trickyD1ck</author>
	<datestamp>1257790080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bullshit.

"Vodafone has exclusive rights to sell the HTC Magic, but only in the markets they service." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC\_Magic)

From what I know, you can't buy it from anyone other than Vodafone in Germany.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bullshit .
" Vodafone has exclusive rights to sell the HTC Magic , but only in the markets they service .
" ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC \ _Magic ) From what I know , you ca n't buy it from anyone other than Vodafone in Germany .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bullshit.
"Vodafone has exclusive rights to sell the HTC Magic, but only in the markets they service.
" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC\_Magic)

From what I know, you can't buy it from anyone other than Vodafone in Germany.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031462</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30038530</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Directrix1</author>
	<datestamp>1257762480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And AT&amp;T has a 5GB cap as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And AT&amp;T has a 5GB cap as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And AT&amp;T has a 5GB cap as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031822</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031636</id>
	<title>How will they enforce it?</title>
	<author>Anon E. Muss</author>
	<datestamp>1257776520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Android phones have an open development model.  What stops somebody from writing their own tethering or Exchange app?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Android phones have an open development model .
What stops somebody from writing their own tethering or Exchange app ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android phones have an open development model.
What stops somebody from writing their own tethering or Exchange app?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30043912</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257854880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Neither situation is perfect. He picked the one that was most advantageous to himself. So with regard to his needs and what he is willing to trade off, it is, in fact, better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Neither situation is perfect .
He picked the one that was most advantageous to himself .
So with regard to his needs and what he is willing to trade off , it is , in fact , better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Neither situation is perfect.
He picked the one that was most advantageous to himself.
So with regard to his needs and what he is willing to trade off, it is, in fact, better.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031822</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032400</id>
	<title>Re:generally favorable reviews?</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1257780780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually I'm not a big fan of the physical keyboard at all.  It's not like it's big enough for touch typing, so I'm still gonna be thumbing it (making tactile response much less important).  Seems like just another point of failure to me.</p><p>The Droid Eris from HTC though didn't include one.  Still, my "new every 2" isn't up for another year or so, so whatever I get won't likely be either of these models (though I think I will get an Android of SOME sort).</p><p>Truthfully though with this latest news about Verizon's yet again flat out hostile business practices, if any other carrier gets a tower close enough to my house for me to get a good signal then I'm switching networks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually I 'm not a big fan of the physical keyboard at all .
It 's not like it 's big enough for touch typing , so I 'm still gon na be thumbing it ( making tactile response much less important ) .
Seems like just another point of failure to me.The Droid Eris from HTC though did n't include one .
Still , my " new every 2 " is n't up for another year or so , so whatever I get wo n't likely be either of these models ( though I think I will get an Android of SOME sort ) .Truthfully though with this latest news about Verizon 's yet again flat out hostile business practices , if any other carrier gets a tower close enough to my house for me to get a good signal then I 'm switching networks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually I'm not a big fan of the physical keyboard at all.
It's not like it's big enough for touch typing, so I'm still gonna be thumbing it (making tactile response much less important).
Seems like just another point of failure to me.The Droid Eris from HTC though didn't include one.
Still, my "new every 2" isn't up for another year or so, so whatever I get won't likely be either of these models (though I think I will get an Android of SOME sort).Truthfully though with this latest news about Verizon's yet again flat out hostile business practices, if any other carrier gets a tower close enough to my house for me to get a good signal then I'm switching networks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031530</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031784</id>
	<title>Overhyped</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257777420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Droid has been grossly overhyped probably because everyone wants to see something close to the iPhone but on Verizon.  It has many major weaknesses.<br>Cannot use more than 256MB for applications.  This is a stunning weakness making many iPhone type apps impossible on the Droid.<br>The physical keyboard is near unusable and the onscreen keyboard not much better.<br>No multi-touch.  Android multi-touch does not have the pinch gesture anyway and is very slow.<br>The entire device is slow.  Scroll the home screen and watch it lag.  Browser is much slower than the iPhone 3GS and is not 100\% ACID compliant like the iPhone.<br>5 megapixel camera but it sucks,<br>Multimedia support is awful.<br>Cannot do data and voice at the same time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Droid has been grossly overhyped probably because everyone wants to see something close to the iPhone but on Verizon .
It has many major weaknesses.Can not use more than 256MB for applications .
This is a stunning weakness making many iPhone type apps impossible on the Droid.The physical keyboard is near unusable and the onscreen keyboard not much better.No multi-touch .
Android multi-touch does not have the pinch gesture anyway and is very slow.The entire device is slow .
Scroll the home screen and watch it lag .
Browser is much slower than the iPhone 3GS and is not 100 \ % ACID compliant like the iPhone.5 megapixel camera but it sucks,Multimedia support is awful.Can not do data and voice at the same time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Droid has been grossly overhyped probably because everyone wants to see something close to the iPhone but on Verizon.
It has many major weaknesses.Cannot use more than 256MB for applications.
This is a stunning weakness making many iPhone type apps impossible on the Droid.The physical keyboard is near unusable and the onscreen keyboard not much better.No multi-touch.
Android multi-touch does not have the pinch gesture anyway and is very slow.The entire device is slow.
Scroll the home screen and watch it lag.
Browser is much slower than the iPhone 3GS and is not 100\% ACID compliant like the iPhone.5 megapixel camera but it sucks,Multimedia support is awful.Cannot do data and voice at the same time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031586</id>
	<title>Only a fool would pay that</title>
	<author>sleeponthemic</author>
	<datestamp>1257776280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Early adopters always get the shaft.  You keep your wallet in your pocket and within months, the wave of competition with ensure that you made a very wise (and obvious) decision.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Early adopters always get the shaft .
You keep your wallet in your pocket and within months , the wave of competition with ensure that you made a very wise ( and obvious ) decision .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Early adopters always get the shaft.
You keep your wallet in your pocket and within months, the wave of competition with ensure that you made a very wise (and obvious) decision.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032064</id>
	<title>Re:It'd be nice if they stopped lying.</title>
	<author>olsmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1257779160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I asked the salesperson point blank if 'unlimited' meant unlimited, and if that means there is 0\% chance of me ever seeing an overage charge regardless of how much I use the phone.  He insisted that unlimited truly means unlimited, that there was no cap.  I'm not sure whether he was uninformed and believed what he was saying, or whether he was just a good liar.  I didn't read the fine print in the contract.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I asked the salesperson point blank if 'unlimited ' meant unlimited , and if that means there is 0 \ % chance of me ever seeing an overage charge regardless of how much I use the phone .
He insisted that unlimited truly means unlimited , that there was no cap .
I 'm not sure whether he was uninformed and believed what he was saying , or whether he was just a good liar .
I did n't read the fine print in the contract .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I asked the salesperson point blank if 'unlimited' meant unlimited, and if that means there is 0\% chance of me ever seeing an overage charge regardless of how much I use the phone.
He insisted that unlimited truly means unlimited, that there was no cap.
I'm not sure whether he was uninformed and believed what he was saying, or whether he was just a good liar.
I didn't read the fine print in the contract.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031410</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30036014</id>
	<title>Re:Summary is dead wrong</title>
	<author>jeffmeden</author>
	<datestamp>1257794880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They *DON'T STATE PC DATA IS UNLIMITED*.  The tethering / usb modem / mifi / whatever plans are VERY clearly labeled as having a 5GB cap, and they always have been.  Your brother and wife simply can't be bothered to comprehend the notion (which is explained when the contract is signed) that there is a difference between using a handset to access the network (whose activity is 'unlimited' except in cases of abuse) and using their PC (whose activity is clearly defined as having a 5GB/mo cap).</p><p>Throw them a pity party already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They * DO N'T STATE PC DATA IS UNLIMITED * .
The tethering / usb modem / mifi / whatever plans are VERY clearly labeled as having a 5GB cap , and they always have been .
Your brother and wife simply ca n't be bothered to comprehend the notion ( which is explained when the contract is signed ) that there is a difference between using a handset to access the network ( whose activity is 'unlimited ' except in cases of abuse ) and using their PC ( whose activity is clearly defined as having a 5GB/mo cap ) .Throw them a pity party already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They *DON'T STATE PC DATA IS UNLIMITED*.
The tethering / usb modem / mifi / whatever plans are VERY clearly labeled as having a 5GB cap, and they always have been.
Your brother and wife simply can't be bothered to comprehend the notion (which is explained when the contract is signed) that there is a difference between using a handset to access the network (whose activity is 'unlimited' except in cases of abuse) and using their PC (whose activity is clearly defined as having a 5GB/mo cap).Throw them a pity party already.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033624</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034764</id>
	<title>Re:It'd be nice if they stopped lying.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257790080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Typical Verizon.</p><p>Years of kneecapped/cripped phones. Tying customers to VZ's network services, often by crippling phones.  Obsolete network (not global de-facto standard) GSM.</p><p>Typical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Typical Verizon.Years of kneecapped/cripped phones .
Tying customers to VZ 's network services , often by crippling phones .
Obsolete network ( not global de-facto standard ) GSM.Typical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typical Verizon.Years of kneecapped/cripped phones.
Tying customers to VZ's network services, often by crippling phones.
Obsolete network (not global de-facto standard) GSM.Typical.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031654</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031794</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Mr2001</author>
	<datestamp>1257777480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I should have expected that Verizon would come up with an 'unlimited' but capped at 5 GB plan. Guess it'll be the iPhone after all.</p><p>I really do want to be able to tether, because we occasionally travel and don't have WiFi access and I want to use the laptop. But I've survived this long without tethering, and a smart phone will be enough for light web browsing and email.</p></div><p>Light web browsing and email isn't going to come close to 5 GB per month. I use my G1 for email, web browsing, maps, RSS, Facebook, Twitter, and internet radio, and it adds up to less than 1 GB per month.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I should have expected that Verizon would come up with an 'unlimited ' but capped at 5 GB plan .
Guess it 'll be the iPhone after all.I really do want to be able to tether , because we occasionally travel and do n't have WiFi access and I want to use the laptop .
But I 've survived this long without tethering , and a smart phone will be enough for light web browsing and email.Light web browsing and email is n't going to come close to 5 GB per month .
I use my G1 for email , web browsing , maps , RSS , Facebook , Twitter , and internet radio , and it adds up to less than 1 GB per month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I should have expected that Verizon would come up with an 'unlimited' but capped at 5 GB plan.
Guess it'll be the iPhone after all.I really do want to be able to tether, because we occasionally travel and don't have WiFi access and I want to use the laptop.
But I've survived this long without tethering, and a smart phone will be enough for light web browsing and email.Light web browsing and email isn't going to come close to 5 GB per month.
I use my G1 for email, web browsing, maps, RSS, Facebook, Twitter, and internet radio, and it adds up to less than 1 GB per month.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031518</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034228</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257788040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Take a look at Sprint and the Pre/Pixi.</p><p>They offer an unlimited moble to moble plan, so you can call AT&amp;T customers without using minutes, and the regular plan is 99/month for two phones.</p><p>You can also install homebrew and use MyTether for your laptop.</p><p>If Sprint coverage is good in your area, this might be exactly what you're looking for.</p><p>(Not associated with Sprint or Palm in any way, just a happy customer.)</p><p>Capcha: palmed</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Take a look at Sprint and the Pre/Pixi.They offer an unlimited moble to moble plan , so you can call AT&amp;T customers without using minutes , and the regular plan is 99/month for two phones.You can also install homebrew and use MyTether for your laptop.If Sprint coverage is good in your area , this might be exactly what you 're looking for .
( Not associated with Sprint or Palm in any way , just a happy customer .
) Capcha : palmed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take a look at Sprint and the Pre/Pixi.They offer an unlimited moble to moble plan, so you can call AT&amp;T customers without using minutes, and the regular plan is 99/month for two phones.You can also install homebrew and use MyTether for your laptop.If Sprint coverage is good in your area, this might be exactly what you're looking for.
(Not associated with Sprint or Palm in any way, just a happy customer.
)Capcha: palmed</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031518</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032434</id>
	<title>Don't forget the $350 early termination fee</title>
	<author>weave</author>
	<datestamp>1257780900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Verizon is also increasing the early termination fee to $350 for advanced devices.
</p><p> <a href="http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918\_1-10390758-85.html" title="cnet.com">Source</a> [cnet.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Verizon is also increasing the early termination fee to $ 350 for advanced devices .
Source [ cnet.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Verizon is also increasing the early termination fee to $350 for advanced devices.
Source [cnet.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30036386</id>
	<title>Re:It'd be nice if they stopped lying.</title>
	<author>euxneks</author>
	<datestamp>1257796620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey, if they get to call their plan unlimited as in limited, that means I get to call it a plan that I'm going to purchase as in <strong>not</strong> purchase, right?  Look ma! I can speak like a lawyer too!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , if they get to call their plan unlimited as in limited , that means I get to call it a plan that I 'm going to purchase as in not purchase , right ?
Look ma !
I can speak like a lawyer too !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, if they get to call their plan unlimited as in limited, that means I get to call it a plan that I'm going to purchase as in not purchase, right?
Look ma!
I can speak like a lawyer too!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031410</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035416</id>
	<title>iphone tethering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257792600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>let's compare it to iphone tethering. oh wait, they don't even have the option. if you read the latest buzz, the <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5083320/att-iphone-tethering-to-cost-30month" title="gizmodo.com">cost will be the same</a> [gizmodo.com] for iphone, when (and if) it is released, and it will also have a 5Gb cap. what are people comparing this to? just a wishy washy feeling that $30 is too much?</p><p>tethering adds a second device onto their network. a device that is considerably more bandwidth hungry than a smart phone. did you think that your carrier was going to give you an (almost) free data plan for general usage just be because you are a nice person?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>let 's compare it to iphone tethering .
oh wait , they do n't even have the option .
if you read the latest buzz , the cost will be the same [ gizmodo.com ] for iphone , when ( and if ) it is released , and it will also have a 5Gb cap .
what are people comparing this to ?
just a wishy washy feeling that $ 30 is too much ? tethering adds a second device onto their network .
a device that is considerably more bandwidth hungry than a smart phone .
did you think that your carrier was going to give you an ( almost ) free data plan for general usage just be because you are a nice person ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>let's compare it to iphone tethering.
oh wait, they don't even have the option.
if you read the latest buzz, the cost will be the same [gizmodo.com] for iphone, when (and if) it is released, and it will also have a 5Gb cap.
what are people comparing this to?
just a wishy washy feeling that $30 is too much?tethering adds a second device onto their network.
a device that is considerably more bandwidth hungry than a smart phone.
did you think that your carrier was going to give you an (almost) free data plan for general usage just be because you are a nice person?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033834</id>
	<title>Missing tag: FRAUD!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1257786480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe if one lives in such a world, one gets used to it. But my fellow Americans, let someone from overseas tell you, that that is pure fraud. Plain and simple.</p><p>Removing a very simple built-in function of your phone, and then asking $30 to put it back again is in my eyes a criminal offense, similar to taking someone or something hostage.</p><p>Calling something "unlimited" while it is officially limited to 5 Gb (is that really with a small "b"?), is at minimum false advertising. But more likely something more criminal.</p><p>And the fact that Verizon does not either get sued out of business, or pushed out of business by real competition, shows that the government is right in bed with them. So complaining to some government straw man won't change anything. Just as voting with your wallet won't change shit.</p><p>I recommend thinking about tertiary options.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe if one lives in such a world , one gets used to it .
But my fellow Americans , let someone from overseas tell you , that that is pure fraud .
Plain and simple.Removing a very simple built-in function of your phone , and then asking $ 30 to put it back again is in my eyes a criminal offense , similar to taking someone or something hostage.Calling something " unlimited " while it is officially limited to 5 Gb ( is that really with a small " b " ?
) , is at minimum false advertising .
But more likely something more criminal.And the fact that Verizon does not either get sued out of business , or pushed out of business by real competition , shows that the government is right in bed with them .
So complaining to some government straw man wo n't change anything .
Just as voting with your wallet wo n't change shit.I recommend thinking about tertiary options .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe if one lives in such a world, one gets used to it.
But my fellow Americans, let someone from overseas tell you, that that is pure fraud.
Plain and simple.Removing a very simple built-in function of your phone, and then asking $30 to put it back again is in my eyes a criminal offense, similar to taking someone or something hostage.Calling something "unlimited" while it is officially limited to 5 Gb (is that really with a small "b"?
), is at minimum false advertising.
But more likely something more criminal.And the fact that Verizon does not either get sued out of business, or pushed out of business by real competition, shows that the government is right in bed with them.
So complaining to some government straw man won't change anything.
Just as voting with your wallet won't change shit.I recommend thinking about tertiary options.
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034096</id>
	<title>Re:Lowering the bar for AT&amp;T</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1257787380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Verizon's clame to fame was the fact in the mid-late 90's they offered cellphone service that had no Rooming or Long Distance charges.  Making them the obvious choice for cell phone service, as Cingular and Cellular One (all companies that don't exist anyome) had all these crazy fees that make them expensive, just look like horible choices. And really forced them to change their models or die.</p><p>Now it looks like Verizon by not raising the bar here. Will allow some other company to come in and offer fairer pricing.  The fact that they may have more coverage is their only advantage. Where if people see if they can get cheaper service they may realize well the spots I don't get coverage are places they are normally not there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Verizon 's clame to fame was the fact in the mid-late 90 's they offered cellphone service that had no Rooming or Long Distance charges .
Making them the obvious choice for cell phone service , as Cingular and Cellular One ( all companies that do n't exist anyome ) had all these crazy fees that make them expensive , just look like horible choices .
And really forced them to change their models or die.Now it looks like Verizon by not raising the bar here .
Will allow some other company to come in and offer fairer pricing .
The fact that they may have more coverage is their only advantage .
Where if people see if they can get cheaper service they may realize well the spots I do n't get coverage are places they are normally not there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Verizon's clame to fame was the fact in the mid-late 90's they offered cellphone service that had no Rooming or Long Distance charges.
Making them the obvious choice for cell phone service, as Cingular and Cellular One (all companies that don't exist anyome) had all these crazy fees that make them expensive, just look like horible choices.
And really forced them to change their models or die.Now it looks like Verizon by not raising the bar here.
Will allow some other company to come in and offer fairer pricing.
The fact that they may have more coverage is their only advantage.
Where if people see if they can get cheaper service they may realize well the spots I don't get coverage are places they are normally not there.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031504</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30040430</id>
	<title>Some corrections</title>
	<author>chrono325</author>
	<datestamp>1257771720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As others have said, the "$15 extra for exchange" is wrong; if you have a "corporate" account, then you have to pay $15 extra for the data plan, but it is the same data plan as the "regular people" plan. You can access Exchange just fine with a regular data plan.</p><p>Also, it is possible to use tethering without any permission from Verizon. I just got my Droid and spent some time last night setting up <a href="http://graha.ms/androidproxy/" title="graha.ms" rel="nofollow">TetherBot</a> [graha.ms]. It lets you create a SOCKS 5 proxy over USB, which is good enough for web browsing (and anything that can connect over SOCKS). In my test last night, I got speeds of 1.2Mb/s down and 0.44Mb/s up over Verizon's EVDO.</p><p>As far as I know, the 5GB "unlimited" limit still applies, so use that tethering carefully.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As others have said , the " $ 15 extra for exchange " is wrong ; if you have a " corporate " account , then you have to pay $ 15 extra for the data plan , but it is the same data plan as the " regular people " plan .
You can access Exchange just fine with a regular data plan.Also , it is possible to use tethering without any permission from Verizon .
I just got my Droid and spent some time last night setting up TetherBot [ graha.ms ] .
It lets you create a SOCKS 5 proxy over USB , which is good enough for web browsing ( and anything that can connect over SOCKS ) .
In my test last night , I got speeds of 1.2Mb/s down and 0.44Mb/s up over Verizon 's EVDO.As far as I know , the 5GB " unlimited " limit still applies , so use that tethering carefully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As others have said, the "$15 extra for exchange" is wrong; if you have a "corporate" account, then you have to pay $15 extra for the data plan, but it is the same data plan as the "regular people" plan.
You can access Exchange just fine with a regular data plan.Also, it is possible to use tethering without any permission from Verizon.
I just got my Droid and spent some time last night setting up TetherBot [graha.ms].
It lets you create a SOCKS 5 proxy over USB, which is good enough for web browsing (and anything that can connect over SOCKS).
In my test last night, I got speeds of 1.2Mb/s down and 0.44Mb/s up over Verizon's EVDO.As far as I know, the 5GB "unlimited" limit still applies, so use that tethering carefully.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033686</id>
	<title>Re:Why the sudden outrage?</title>
	<author>sxltrex</author>
	<datestamp>1257785820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The sudden outrage is because they're finally selling a device that might actually use that much.  I have a Blackberry and an iPhone.  The Blackberry is far too painful to use on any kind of media that I'll never come anywhere near the limit.  The iPhone, on the other hand, has tremendous internet uses and I could easily see users coming close to the limit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The sudden outrage is because they 're finally selling a device that might actually use that much .
I have a Blackberry and an iPhone .
The Blackberry is far too painful to use on any kind of media that I 'll never come anywhere near the limit .
The iPhone , on the other hand , has tremendous internet uses and I could easily see users coming close to the limit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The sudden outrage is because they're finally selling a device that might actually use that much.
I have a Blackberry and an iPhone.
The Blackberry is far too painful to use on any kind of media that I'll never come anywhere near the limit.
The iPhone, on the other hand, has tremendous internet uses and I could easily see users coming close to the limit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031786</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031834</id>
	<title>Doesn't really matter</title>
	<author>Pedrito</author>
	<datestamp>1257777780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I played with one at Sam's Club over the weekend. The keyboard sucks. It'll probably be a flop until they make a new keyboard. Maybe I'm wrong, but I spent like 3 seconds playing with it and HATED it. That was all I needed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I played with one at Sam 's Club over the weekend .
The keyboard sucks .
It 'll probably be a flop until they make a new keyboard .
Maybe I 'm wrong , but I spent like 3 seconds playing with it and HATED it .
That was all I needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I played with one at Sam's Club over the weekend.
The keyboard sucks.
It'll probably be a flop until they make a new keyboard.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I spent like 3 seconds playing with it and HATED it.
That was all I needed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031982</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon = US, right?</title>
	<author>oneiron</author>
	<datestamp>1257778620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, I don't think this is entirely correct.  Phones in europe are quite often only available on specific carriers.  The hardware is designed to work with 3g networks on specific wireless bands, and I don't think every carrier runs the same stuff.  Your networks are most definitely more standardized and free than ours are, but it's still a problem.

As for the droid...  Yep, right now it is only available as a CDMA phone...and Verizon's pretty much got a lock on it.  The GSM version just passed through the FCC a few weeks ago.  Tragically, it'll probably end up over in europe only...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I do n't think this is entirely correct .
Phones in europe are quite often only available on specific carriers .
The hardware is designed to work with 3g networks on specific wireless bands , and I do n't think every carrier runs the same stuff .
Your networks are most definitely more standardized and free than ours are , but it 's still a problem .
As for the droid... Yep , right now it is only available as a CDMA phone...and Verizon 's pretty much got a lock on it .
The GSM version just passed through the FCC a few weeks ago .
Tragically , it 'll probably end up over in europe only.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I don't think this is entirely correct.
Phones in europe are quite often only available on specific carriers.
The hardware is designed to work with 3g networks on specific wireless bands, and I don't think every carrier runs the same stuff.
Your networks are most definitely more standardized and free than ours are, but it's still a problem.
As for the droid...  Yep, right now it is only available as a CDMA phone...and Verizon's pretty much got a lock on it.
The GSM version just passed through the FCC a few weeks ago.
Tragically, it'll probably end up over in europe only...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034312</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon = US, right?</title>
	<author>Locutus</author>
	<datestamp>1257788340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and the British Parliament is fun to watch too.  It's a very fat line between being overly protective of the people and being overly protective of business interests and on this side of the pond, business gets the nod from our government.<br><br>I gotta get my butt over there one of these days.<br><br>LoB</htmltext>
<tokenext>and the British Parliament is fun to watch too .
It 's a very fat line between being overly protective of the people and being overly protective of business interests and on this side of the pond , business gets the nod from our government.I got ta get my butt over there one of these days.LoB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the British Parliament is fun to watch too.
It's a very fat line between being overly protective of the people and being overly protective of business interests and on this side of the pond, business gets the nod from our government.I gotta get my butt over there one of these days.LoB</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032626</id>
	<title>Unmetered</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1257781620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They used to be called "unmetered" plans, because you paid a flat rate instead of being billed per-MB or per minute as in the dial-up WAP days. "Unlimited" sounds better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They used to be called " unmetered " plans , because you paid a flat rate instead of being billed per-MB or per minute as in the dial-up WAP days .
" Unlimited " sounds better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They used to be called "unmetered" plans, because you paid a flat rate instead of being billed per-MB or per minute as in the dial-up WAP days.
"Unlimited" sounds better.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031410</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035178</id>
	<title>Re:It'd be nicer if people got a clue</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1257791700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who the f*ck cares if they call it "unlimited"?</p></div><p>It's false advertising, plain and simple, and that's 1) immoral, and 2) illegal. And yes, it does matter - false advertising is one of the most frequently used ways to mess up the free market, so it should be cracked down upon hard.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who the f * ck cares if they call it " unlimited " ? It 's false advertising , plain and simple , and that 's 1 ) immoral , and 2 ) illegal .
And yes , it does matter - false advertising is one of the most frequently used ways to mess up the free market , so it should be cracked down upon hard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who the f*ck cares if they call it "unlimited"?It's false advertising, plain and simple, and that's 1) immoral, and 2) illegal.
And yes, it does matter - false advertising is one of the most frequently used ways to mess up the free market, so it should be cracked down upon hard.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032318</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033494</id>
	<title>So?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257784920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually all smart phones on Verizon have these charges.  This is normal, I don't know why people are making such a fuss.  Look at AT&amp;T and the charges on an iPhone are considerably higher than on a regular phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually all smart phones on Verizon have these charges .
This is normal , I do n't know why people are making such a fuss .
Look at AT&amp;T and the charges on an iPhone are considerably higher than on a regular phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually all smart phones on Verizon have these charges.
This is normal, I don't know why people are making such a fuss.
Look at AT&amp;T and the charges on an iPhone are considerably higher than on a regular phone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30052706</id>
	<title>This is news?</title>
	<author>Pointy\_Hair</author>
	<datestamp>1257852720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously folks. You either pay for the products or services you want or you don't. The big providers are trying to offer a price point to users that don't need push email or plan to use their cell phone as a broadband hub. The downside is incremental charges to those that can't live without those extras. The smaller providers give you a hell of a deal that has crappy coverage. There ain't no free lunch. Choose one or the other and be happy.</p><p>And honestly, I think I threw up a little in my mouth when I read another whine digging into the legaleeze about what "unlimited" means. That is so 2002. Get over it.</p><p>That goes for the latest gotta-have phone on the market too. Having switched to AT&amp;T to get the iPhone I coveted, I have no pity on people that complain about the special service terms for the new Droid. At least you know Google will be omnipotent and greedy enough to put more devices out on other networks faster than you can say "Apple".</p><p>Tethering is overrated. It's useful as a last resort. Maybe the phones out today pass data better. I tried this using a Treo then later a Blackberry on VZW a couple years ago. The best data rate was barely better than a dialup connection. Plus, on a CDMA tether, a voice call interrupts the data connection. That kinda sucks if you have to share something over a concall. Of course it's intentional that either tethering doesn't work that well or isn't available until its "evaluated." These guys are in business to make profits, not save you money. No matter what they say in the ads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously folks .
You either pay for the products or services you want or you do n't .
The big providers are trying to offer a price point to users that do n't need push email or plan to use their cell phone as a broadband hub .
The downside is incremental charges to those that ca n't live without those extras .
The smaller providers give you a hell of a deal that has crappy coverage .
There ai n't no free lunch .
Choose one or the other and be happy.And honestly , I think I threw up a little in my mouth when I read another whine digging into the legaleeze about what " unlimited " means .
That is so 2002 .
Get over it.That goes for the latest got ta-have phone on the market too .
Having switched to AT&amp;T to get the iPhone I coveted , I have no pity on people that complain about the special service terms for the new Droid .
At least you know Google will be omnipotent and greedy enough to put more devices out on other networks faster than you can say " Apple " .Tethering is overrated .
It 's useful as a last resort .
Maybe the phones out today pass data better .
I tried this using a Treo then later a Blackberry on VZW a couple years ago .
The best data rate was barely better than a dialup connection .
Plus , on a CDMA tether , a voice call interrupts the data connection .
That kinda sucks if you have to share something over a concall .
Of course it 's intentional that either tethering does n't work that well or is n't available until its " evaluated .
" These guys are in business to make profits , not save you money .
No matter what they say in the ads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously folks.
You either pay for the products or services you want or you don't.
The big providers are trying to offer a price point to users that don't need push email or plan to use their cell phone as a broadband hub.
The downside is incremental charges to those that can't live without those extras.
The smaller providers give you a hell of a deal that has crappy coverage.
There ain't no free lunch.
Choose one or the other and be happy.And honestly, I think I threw up a little in my mouth when I read another whine digging into the legaleeze about what "unlimited" means.
That is so 2002.
Get over it.That goes for the latest gotta-have phone on the market too.
Having switched to AT&amp;T to get the iPhone I coveted, I have no pity on people that complain about the special service terms for the new Droid.
At least you know Google will be omnipotent and greedy enough to put more devices out on other networks faster than you can say "Apple".Tethering is overrated.
It's useful as a last resort.
Maybe the phones out today pass data better.
I tried this using a Treo then later a Blackberry on VZW a couple years ago.
The best data rate was barely better than a dialup connection.
Plus, on a CDMA tether, a voice call interrupts the data connection.
That kinda sucks if you have to share something over a concall.
Of course it's intentional that either tethering doesn't work that well or isn't available until its "evaluated.
" These guys are in business to make profits, not save you money.
No matter what they say in the ads.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30042380</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft Exchange email account you ...$15</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1257789060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, not exchange.  Blackberry servers.. If your company runs its own BES servers (often connected to your own exchange servers) then all phones have to use the "Enterprise" data plans for connecting to it.  Otherwise, they can only see blackberries servers, and proxy your mail through them.  So companies that want to actually encrypt, and force policies pay out the nose.  I had heard from our mail admins that RIM actually demands that little feature, and gets a cut of the monthly extra.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , not exchange .
Blackberry servers.. If your company runs its own BES servers ( often connected to your own exchange servers ) then all phones have to use the " Enterprise " data plans for connecting to it .
Otherwise , they can only see blackberries servers , and proxy your mail through them .
So companies that want to actually encrypt , and force policies pay out the nose .
I had heard from our mail admins that RIM actually demands that little feature , and gets a cut of the monthly extra .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, not exchange.
Blackberry servers.. If your company runs its own BES servers (often connected to your own exchange servers) then all phones have to use the "Enterprise" data plans for connecting to it.
Otherwise, they can only see blackberries servers, and proxy your mail through them.
So companies that want to actually encrypt, and force policies pay out the nose.
I had heard from our mail admins that RIM actually demands that little feature, and gets a cut of the monthly extra.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031640</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30037442</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>harl</author>
	<datestamp>1257758100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes you're exactly right.  It's a trap.  There's nothing more complex about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes you 're exactly right .
It 's a trap .
There 's nothing more complex about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes you're exactly right.
It's a trap.
There's nothing more complex about it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031546</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30038366</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>JasonTik</author>
	<datestamp>1257761880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can jailbreak an iPhone and install more apps.  I can't jailbreak bandwidth pricing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can jailbreak an iPhone and install more apps .
I ca n't jailbreak bandwidth pricing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can jailbreak an iPhone and install more apps.
I can't jailbreak bandwidth pricing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031822</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30068538</id>
	<title>Re:Summary is dead wrong</title>
	<author>nvrrobx</author>
	<datestamp>1257087780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, they *did* tell them in the store that it was unlimited.

Go ask someone who is computer illiterate what 5GB means and then get back to me.

We may understand the verbiage, but we are in the minority on details like that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , they * did * tell them in the store that it was unlimited .
Go ask someone who is computer illiterate what 5GB means and then get back to me .
We may understand the verbiage , but we are in the minority on details like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, they *did* tell them in the store that it was unlimited.
Go ask someone who is computer illiterate what 5GB means and then get back to me.
We may understand the verbiage, but we are in the minority on details like that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30036014</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031476</id>
	<title>Re:Tethering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257775560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow!  How on earth did you dig up that information so quickly?  I had to use Google.com and search for "tethering" then click on the first result, but here you are with the link already.  Outstanding.  Really, I'm genuinely impressed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow !
How on earth did you dig up that information so quickly ?
I had to use Google.com and search for " tethering " then click on the first result , but here you are with the link already .
Outstanding. Really , I 'm genuinely impressed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow!
How on earth did you dig up that information so quickly?
I had to use Google.com and search for "tethering" then click on the first result, but here you are with the link already.
Outstanding.  Really, I'm genuinely impressed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031370</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30039572</id>
	<title>Verizon vs. AT&amp;T</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257767220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Say what you like about AT&amp;T (and who doesn't) they are not in the same class as Verizon when it comes to add-on charges. I add a company Verizon phone and was horrified at the extra charges. I switched to a personal AT&amp;T phone and was pleasantly surprised.</p><p>Yes, Verizon has better coverage - but not where I live and mostly not where I travel.</p><p>Verizon beats all others when it comes to squeezing more blood out of a stone.</p><p>Like thousands of others I would like to see phones and service suppliers as separate purchasing decisions. In fact I would be happy to pay the extra if all phones were always unlocked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Say what you like about AT&amp;T ( and who does n't ) they are not in the same class as Verizon when it comes to add-on charges .
I add a company Verizon phone and was horrified at the extra charges .
I switched to a personal AT&amp;T phone and was pleasantly surprised.Yes , Verizon has better coverage - but not where I live and mostly not where I travel.Verizon beats all others when it comes to squeezing more blood out of a stone.Like thousands of others I would like to see phones and service suppliers as separate purchasing decisions .
In fact I would be happy to pay the extra if all phones were always unlocked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Say what you like about AT&amp;T (and who doesn't) they are not in the same class as Verizon when it comes to add-on charges.
I add a company Verizon phone and was horrified at the extra charges.
I switched to a personal AT&amp;T phone and was pleasantly surprised.Yes, Verizon has better coverage - but not where I live and mostly not where I travel.Verizon beats all others when it comes to squeezing more blood out of a stone.Like thousands of others I would like to see phones and service suppliers as separate purchasing decisions.
In fact I would be happy to pay the extra if all phones were always unlocked.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30039582</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft Exchange email account you ...$15</title>
	<author>Xibby</author>
	<datestamp>1257767280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's one of the positive aspects of Exchange Outlook Mobile Access over BlackBerry devices. With BlackBerry, carriers can block RIM's servers on the data network and only allow you access if you pay the extra charge every month. Outlook Mobile Access (Active Sync) runs over HTTPS, and corporations have their own exchange environment, making blocking access impossible for the carriers. Even better, ActiveSync client implementations on iPhone, Android, and PalmOS seem to be far superior to Microsoft's own implementation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's one of the positive aspects of Exchange Outlook Mobile Access over BlackBerry devices .
With BlackBerry , carriers can block RIM 's servers on the data network and only allow you access if you pay the extra charge every month .
Outlook Mobile Access ( Active Sync ) runs over HTTPS , and corporations have their own exchange environment , making blocking access impossible for the carriers .
Even better , ActiveSync client implementations on iPhone , Android , and PalmOS seem to be far superior to Microsoft 's own implementation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's one of the positive aspects of Exchange Outlook Mobile Access over BlackBerry devices.
With BlackBerry, carriers can block RIM's servers on the data network and only allow you access if you pay the extra charge every month.
Outlook Mobile Access (Active Sync) runs over HTTPS, and corporations have their own exchange environment, making blocking access impossible for the carriers.
Even better, ActiveSync client implementations on iPhone, Android, and PalmOS seem to be far superior to Microsoft's own implementation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031640</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034562</id>
	<title>Re:Why the sudden outrage?</title>
	<author>Daravon</author>
	<datestamp>1257789240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just curious, when you log into the Verizon wireless website, under your data usage, does it list your monthly allowance as unlimited or as 5GB?  After reading this story, I logged in to see what was listed, and for my Droid it has an unlimited cap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just curious , when you log into the Verizon wireless website , under your data usage , does it list your monthly allowance as unlimited or as 5GB ?
After reading this story , I logged in to see what was listed , and for my Droid it has an unlimited cap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just curious, when you log into the Verizon wireless website, under your data usage, does it list your monthly allowance as unlimited or as 5GB?
After reading this story, I logged in to see what was listed, and for my Droid it has an unlimited cap.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031786</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035738</id>
	<title>Re:or...</title>
	<author>farble1670</author>
	<datestamp>1257793860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>android has USB, bluetooth, and wifi tethering. what more do you want?</htmltext>
<tokenext>android has USB , bluetooth , and wifi tethering .
what more do you want ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>android has USB, bluetooth, and wifi tethering.
what more do you want?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031708</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031698</id>
	<title>Re:It'd be nice if they stopped lying.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257777000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They're not going to stop lying until they're legally instructed to - this practice of misleading customers has almost certainly a positive effect on their sales.  Average Joe's don't see asterisks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're not going to stop lying until they 're legally instructed to - this practice of misleading customers has almost certainly a positive effect on their sales .
Average Joe 's do n't see asterisks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're not going to stop lying until they're legally instructed to - this practice of misleading customers has almost certainly a positive effect on their sales.
Average Joe's don't see asterisks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031410</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30036846</id>
	<title>Re:Inaccurate Exchange Pricing</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1257798600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I get Exchange on both my iPhoines at not additional charge.  They're personal phones on residential plans that i have connected to our corporate e-mail infrastrcuture.  There are also numerous company iPhones doing the same also at no extra charge.  i could only imagine an extra charge if it was AT&amp;T's mail server, not my own, and even than, there are DOZENS of firms (including microsoft) that host Exchange at $5 per user per month or less.  $15 is rediculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I get Exchange on both my iPhoines at not additional charge .
They 're personal phones on residential plans that i have connected to our corporate e-mail infrastrcuture .
There are also numerous company iPhones doing the same also at no extra charge .
i could only imagine an extra charge if it was AT&amp;T 's mail server , not my own , and even than , there are DOZENS of firms ( including microsoft ) that host Exchange at $ 5 per user per month or less .
$ 15 is rediculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get Exchange on both my iPhoines at not additional charge.
They're personal phones on residential plans that i have connected to our corporate e-mail infrastrcuture.
There are also numerous company iPhones doing the same also at no extra charge.
i could only imagine an extra charge if it was AT&amp;T's mail server, not my own, and even than, there are DOZENS of firms (including microsoft) that host Exchange at $5 per user per month or less.
$15 is rediculous.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031626</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031776</id>
	<title>Re:It'd be nice if they stopped lying.</title>
	<author>caffeinemessiah</author>
	<datestamp>1257777360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If the plan is limited, it's not "unlimited", so please stop pretending. No, any cap is a cap is not no cap is not "unlimited".</p> </div><p>
Actually, <b>all</b> "unlimited" plans <b>are</b> limited. Just multiply maximum bandwidth by days in the month to figure out your monthly cap. So the question here is if 5 GB is <b>less than</b> Verizon's "3G" speed multiplied by about 30 days. It would be nice if someone with Verizon could figure this out.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the plan is limited , it 's not " unlimited " , so please stop pretending .
No , any cap is a cap is not no cap is not " unlimited " .
Actually , all " unlimited " plans are limited .
Just multiply maximum bandwidth by days in the month to figure out your monthly cap .
So the question here is if 5 GB is less than Verizon 's " 3G " speed multiplied by about 30 days .
It would be nice if someone with Verizon could figure this out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the plan is limited, it's not "unlimited", so please stop pretending.
No, any cap is a cap is not no cap is not "unlimited".
Actually, all "unlimited" plans are limited.
Just multiply maximum bandwidth by days in the month to figure out your monthly cap.
So the question here is if 5 GB is less than Verizon's "3G" speed multiplied by about 30 days.
It would be nice if someone with Verizon could figure this out.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031410</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035814</id>
	<title>Re:It'd be nicer if people got a clue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257794040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can everyone please give themselves a reality check and stop whining about the 5GB cap?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...  The 5GB cap is well documented and well-known.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...  if you're a remotely tech-savvy user, you're probably reading forums like this one and are acutely aware of the 5GB cap anyway.</p></div><p>You, sir, are stupid.</p><p>If people stop "whining" then these things won't be "well documented" or on "forums like this one."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can everyone please give themselves a reality check and stop whining about the 5GB cap ?
... The 5GB cap is well documented and well-known .
... if you 're a remotely tech-savvy user , you 're probably reading forums like this one and are acutely aware of the 5GB cap anyway.You , sir , are stupid.If people stop " whining " then these things wo n't be " well documented " or on " forums like this one .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can everyone please give themselves a reality check and stop whining about the 5GB cap?
...  The 5GB cap is well documented and well-known.
...  if you're a remotely tech-savvy user, you're probably reading forums like this one and are acutely aware of the 5GB cap anyway.You, sir, are stupid.If people stop "whining" then these things won't be "well documented" or on "forums like this one.
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032318</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034268</id>
	<title>Article and Summary are FUCKING INCORRECT</title>
	<author>MostAwesomeDude</author>
	<datestamp>1257788160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Data is unlimited, tethering's capped at 5GiB, as many people noted. Also my Droid seems to do exactly what it was advertised as being able to do; it's Android-based and fairly unlocked, although you've still gotta do Android mods if you want things like overclocking or non-Verizon-based tethering.</p><p>Anyway, yeah, Verizon's sometimes underhanded, but I put the screws to the salespeople to make sure they weren't shitting me, and it turns out that this really is as good of a deal as it appears. It's a legit phone with a legit contract, it really does play back Vorbis audio, it really is DRM-free, etc.</p><p>Also tethering is quite overrated and if you really really really need it, you should have your employer shell out the cash for a tethering dongle instead of abusing your cell phone. Or, y'know, learn to live without Internets while you're driving through deserts in the middle of nowhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Data is unlimited , tethering 's capped at 5GiB , as many people noted .
Also my Droid seems to do exactly what it was advertised as being able to do ; it 's Android-based and fairly unlocked , although you 've still got ta do Android mods if you want things like overclocking or non-Verizon-based tethering.Anyway , yeah , Verizon 's sometimes underhanded , but I put the screws to the salespeople to make sure they were n't shitting me , and it turns out that this really is as good of a deal as it appears .
It 's a legit phone with a legit contract , it really does play back Vorbis audio , it really is DRM-free , etc.Also tethering is quite overrated and if you really really really need it , you should have your employer shell out the cash for a tethering dongle instead of abusing your cell phone .
Or , y'know , learn to live without Internets while you 're driving through deserts in the middle of nowhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Data is unlimited, tethering's capped at 5GiB, as many people noted.
Also my Droid seems to do exactly what it was advertised as being able to do; it's Android-based and fairly unlocked, although you've still gotta do Android mods if you want things like overclocking or non-Verizon-based tethering.Anyway, yeah, Verizon's sometimes underhanded, but I put the screws to the salespeople to make sure they weren't shitting me, and it turns out that this really is as good of a deal as it appears.
It's a legit phone with a legit contract, it really does play back Vorbis audio, it really is DRM-free, etc.Also tethering is quite overrated and if you really really really need it, you should have your employer shell out the cash for a tethering dongle instead of abusing your cell phone.
Or, y'know, learn to live without Internets while you're driving through deserts in the middle of nowhere.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30037742</id>
	<title>The fog of fine print</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257759240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Coverage or not, if you tell me i have unlimited service, and then cap me at 5gb a month, that is not unlimited. When i went to look at the phone and asked all the questions regarding the "unlimited" service, the sales person mad no mention of the 5gb cap, nor did he mention that there is a $15 a/mo charge for the exchange service. The sales rep said that the exchange service was part of the $30 a month. So either sales rep was uneducated in the plans, or was trained to pimp it on the shady side.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Coverage or not , if you tell me i have unlimited service , and then cap me at 5gb a month , that is not unlimited .
When i went to look at the phone and asked all the questions regarding the " unlimited " service , the sales person mad no mention of the 5gb cap , nor did he mention that there is a $ 15 a/mo charge for the exchange service .
The sales rep said that the exchange service was part of the $ 30 a month .
So either sales rep was uneducated in the plans , or was trained to pimp it on the shady side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Coverage or not, if you tell me i have unlimited service, and then cap me at 5gb a month, that is not unlimited.
When i went to look at the phone and asked all the questions regarding the "unlimited" service, the sales person mad no mention of the 5gb cap, nor did he mention that there is a $15 a/mo charge for the exchange service.
The sales rep said that the exchange service was part of the $30 a month.
So either sales rep was uneducated in the plans, or was trained to pimp it on the shady side.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034586</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon = US, right?</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1257789300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I assume that the Droid is a CDMA phone?  So the other option is Sprint.
</p><p>The problem isn't just that the phone is vendor locked, but the only vendors you can choose from are all evil and incompetent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I assume that the Droid is a CDMA phone ?
So the other option is Sprint .
The problem is n't just that the phone is vendor locked , but the only vendors you can choose from are all evil and incompetent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I assume that the Droid is a CDMA phone?
So the other option is Sprint.
The problem isn't just that the phone is vendor locked, but the only vendors you can choose from are all evil and incompetent.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033610</id>
	<title>"Coomunity Comments" dispute PCW's data</title>
	<author>Caledfwlch</author>
	<datestamp>1257785460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Community Comments by Psyc0lops, jwclark, Caiged, and others, dispute the accuracy of the contract and pricing info contained in the article.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Community Comments by Psyc0lops , jwclark , Caiged , and others , dispute the accuracy of the contract and pricing info contained in the article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Community Comments by Psyc0lops, jwclark, Caiged, and others, dispute the accuracy of the contract and pricing info contained in the article.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034914</id>
	<title>$119 for shitty service?</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1257790740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My wife and I pay about $119/month [...] There are places where Verizon would be 5 bars that AT&amp;T doesn't even get signal at all, and by that I mean not even Edge. [...] The moral of the story? You get what you pay for. Verizon may be more expensive</p></div><p>O\_o wtf omg bbq o\_O !!!</p><p>You get what you pay for?</p><p>It seems like the only way you can make that make sense is if you claim to pay for oligopoly abuse.</p><p>Point of reference: in Denmark, what I consider an <em>extremely</em> expensive subscription is ~$50 / mo.  90\% land mass coverage, 99\% population residence/work coverage (IIRC, roughly, grain-of-salt, etc.).  I get 50 free SMS'es and 50 free minutes per month for NOTHING, zaroo bucks, then 10 cents / minute, 4 cents / SMS beyond that.</p><p>Get your regulators to regulate the telecommunications industry.</p><p>Err... I mean, get them to regulate it in a way that's good for society, not good for oligopoly rent-seekers.</p><p>Right now I'm wearing a T-shirt that says "Science -- it works, bitches" (you may have seen it on store.xkcd.com).  I'm wondering whether I should get a red one that says Socialism instead of Science; it does seem to work for telecommunication.</p><p>$119/mo with bad coverage and "you get what you pay for"... I'm stunned...</p><p>(please don't take it too personally; I'm stunned not at you but at what passes for good telephony "over there")</p></div>
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<tokenext>My wife and I pay about $ 119/month [ ... ] There are places where Verizon would be 5 bars that AT&amp;T does n't even get signal at all , and by that I mean not even Edge .
[ ... ] The moral of the story ?
You get what you pay for .
Verizon may be more expensiveO \ _o wtf omg bbq o \ _O ! !
! You get what you pay for ? It seems like the only way you can make that make sense is if you claim to pay for oligopoly abuse.Point of reference : in Denmark , what I consider an extremely expensive subscription is ~ $ 50 / mo .
90 \ % land mass coverage , 99 \ % population residence/work coverage ( IIRC , roughly , grain-of-salt , etc. ) .
I get 50 free SMS'es and 50 free minutes per month for NOTHING , zaroo bucks , then 10 cents / minute , 4 cents / SMS beyond that.Get your regulators to regulate the telecommunications industry.Err... I mean , get them to regulate it in a way that 's good for society , not good for oligopoly rent-seekers.Right now I 'm wearing a T-shirt that says " Science -- it works , bitches " ( you may have seen it on store.xkcd.com ) .
I 'm wondering whether I should get a red one that says Socialism instead of Science ; it does seem to work for telecommunication. $ 119/mo with bad coverage and " you get what you pay for " ... I 'm stunned... ( please do n't take it too personally ; I 'm stunned not at you but at what passes for good telephony " over there " )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My wife and I pay about $119/month [...] There are places where Verizon would be 5 bars that AT&amp;T doesn't even get signal at all, and by that I mean not even Edge.
[...] The moral of the story?
You get what you pay for.
Verizon may be more expensiveO\_o wtf omg bbq o\_O !!
!You get what you pay for?It seems like the only way you can make that make sense is if you claim to pay for oligopoly abuse.Point of reference: in Denmark, what I consider an extremely expensive subscription is ~$50 / mo.
90\% land mass coverage, 99\% population residence/work coverage (IIRC, roughly, grain-of-salt, etc.).
I get 50 free SMS'es and 50 free minutes per month for NOTHING, zaroo bucks, then 10 cents / minute, 4 cents / SMS beyond that.Get your regulators to regulate the telecommunications industry.Err... I mean, get them to regulate it in a way that's good for society, not good for oligopoly rent-seekers.Right now I'm wearing a T-shirt that says "Science -- it works, bitches" (you may have seen it on store.xkcd.com).
I'm wondering whether I should get a red one that says Socialism instead of Science; it does seem to work for telecommunication.$119/mo with bad coverage and "you get what you pay for"... I'm stunned...(please don't take it too personally; I'm stunned not at you but at what passes for good telephony "over there")
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30038770</id>
	<title>Re:Summary is dead wrong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257763500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ever hear of prepaid or "pay as you go" plans? Seems like this is what you are describing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever hear of prepaid or " pay as you go " plans ?
Seems like this is what you are describing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever hear of prepaid or "pay as you go" plans?
Seems like this is what you are describing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035824</id>
	<title>Re:Summary is dead wrong</title>
	<author>Tanman</author>
	<datestamp>1257794100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He specifically said tethering was not unlimited.  A USB modem, by definition, is going to be tethering, right?  How is he wrong?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He specifically said tethering was not unlimited .
A USB modem , by definition , is going to be tethering , right ?
How is he wrong ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He specifically said tethering was not unlimited.
A USB modem, by definition, is going to be tethering, right?
How is he wrong?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033726</id>
	<title>Re:Doesn't really matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257786060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dont understand all the hate for the physical keyboard.  Yes it takes a while to get used to but it definitely isnt as bad as most of the reviews have claimed it to be.  Spend more than 5 minutes and youll get the feel for it, any new keyboard takes a while to get used to, no exception with the droid, but it works quite well and once you get a feel for it the flat keys arent a big issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont understand all the hate for the physical keyboard .
Yes it takes a while to get used to but it definitely isnt as bad as most of the reviews have claimed it to be .
Spend more than 5 minutes and youll get the feel for it , any new keyboard takes a while to get used to , no exception with the droid , but it works quite well and once you get a feel for it the flat keys arent a big issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont understand all the hate for the physical keyboard.
Yes it takes a while to get used to but it definitely isnt as bad as most of the reviews have claimed it to be.
Spend more than 5 minutes and youll get the feel for it, any new keyboard takes a while to get used to, no exception with the droid, but it works quite well and once you get a feel for it the flat keys arent a big issue.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034186</id>
	<title>Re:or...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257787800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>U can use PdaNet and tether it to your heart's content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>U can use PdaNet and tether it to your heart 's content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>U can use PdaNet and tether it to your heart's content.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30037752</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>JBHarris</author>
	<datestamp>1257759240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Get a Windows Mobile smartphone on Verizon, and download the application called WMWifiRouter. The latest version comes with a one time flat fee, but the older versions where free as in beer, and can still be found on various forums by searching for WMWifiRouter. This turns your WM phone into a WiFi hotpot (sort of) and you can easily connect through that. Verizon has no idea if the data requests are originating from your phone or from some other device, they shouldn't care anyway. One caveat to mention, the Hotspot is an Ad-Hoc network, which shouldn't be an issue for a laptop or netbook, but may not work for an iPhone, I'm not sure. I've been doing this for 3+ years on Verizon and I've never had a problem. Also, just FYI, Windows Mobile phone have an application called Internet Connection Sharing that will share the 3G over USB or Bluetooth, and that is built in to the O/S. Verizon will hide the icon in the start menu on phones they sell, but the application is still there, you just need to look for it on the phone.

<br> <br> <br>Brad</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a Windows Mobile smartphone on Verizon , and download the application called WMWifiRouter .
The latest version comes with a one time flat fee , but the older versions where free as in beer , and can still be found on various forums by searching for WMWifiRouter .
This turns your WM phone into a WiFi hotpot ( sort of ) and you can easily connect through that .
Verizon has no idea if the data requests are originating from your phone or from some other device , they should n't care anyway .
One caveat to mention , the Hotspot is an Ad-Hoc network , which should n't be an issue for a laptop or netbook , but may not work for an iPhone , I 'm not sure .
I 've been doing this for 3 + years on Verizon and I 've never had a problem .
Also , just FYI , Windows Mobile phone have an application called Internet Connection Sharing that will share the 3G over USB or Bluetooth , and that is built in to the O/S .
Verizon will hide the icon in the start menu on phones they sell , but the application is still there , you just need to look for it on the phone .
Brad</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a Windows Mobile smartphone on Verizon, and download the application called WMWifiRouter.
The latest version comes with a one time flat fee, but the older versions where free as in beer, and can still be found on various forums by searching for WMWifiRouter.
This turns your WM phone into a WiFi hotpot (sort of) and you can easily connect through that.
Verizon has no idea if the data requests are originating from your phone or from some other device, they shouldn't care anyway.
One caveat to mention, the Hotspot is an Ad-Hoc network, which shouldn't be an issue for a laptop or netbook, but may not work for an iPhone, I'm not sure.
I've been doing this for 3+ years on Verizon and I've never had a problem.
Also, just FYI, Windows Mobile phone have an application called Internet Connection Sharing that will share the 3G over USB or Bluetooth, and that is built in to the O/S.
Verizon will hide the icon in the start menu on phones they sell, but the application is still there, you just need to look for it on the phone.
Brad</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031424</id>
	<title>Re:Tethering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257775320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh! And here I was, thikning it's a device for tied cows to find out where there's more grass!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh !
And here I was , thikning it 's a device for tied cows to find out where there 's more grass !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh!
And here I was, thikning it's a device for tied cows to find out where there's more grass!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034606</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257789420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tard. iphone has the EXACT same limitations. $30/month and no tethering and 5gb cap</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tard .
iphone has the EXACT same limitations .
$ 30/month and no tethering and 5gb cap</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tard.
iphone has the EXACT same limitations.
$30/month and no tethering and 5gb cap</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033658</id>
	<title>A bit innaccurate</title>
	<author>Wavesonics</author>
	<datestamp>1257785640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some of this information is a bit inaccurate.

First, the "unlimited data plan" he refers to is not Verizon's unlimited data plan. It is their basic data plan. And it is capped at 5GB has he stated.

Verizon also has a truly unlimited data plan for $44.99

Then there is the claim:
"and if you plan on connecting with an Microsoft Exchange email account you have to pay another $15 a month."

Which is just flat out false. I can tell you that I am using the exchange integration right now, and I only have the $30 data plan and nothing more.

Just as a side topic here, if you root your phone there are free open source tethering applications out there anyway.

But I would point out that Verizon charges $2.99 for visual voice mail. Which is cheap of them IMO...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of this information is a bit inaccurate .
First , the " unlimited data plan " he refers to is not Verizon 's unlimited data plan .
It is their basic data plan .
And it is capped at 5GB has he stated .
Verizon also has a truly unlimited data plan for $ 44.99 Then there is the claim : " and if you plan on connecting with an Microsoft Exchange email account you have to pay another $ 15 a month .
" Which is just flat out false .
I can tell you that I am using the exchange integration right now , and I only have the $ 30 data plan and nothing more .
Just as a side topic here , if you root your phone there are free open source tethering applications out there anyway .
But I would point out that Verizon charges $ 2.99 for visual voice mail .
Which is cheap of them IMO.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of this information is a bit inaccurate.
First, the "unlimited data plan" he refers to is not Verizon's unlimited data plan.
It is their basic data plan.
And it is capped at 5GB has he stated.
Verizon also has a truly unlimited data plan for $44.99

Then there is the claim:
"and if you plan on connecting with an Microsoft Exchange email account you have to pay another $15 a month.
"

Which is just flat out false.
I can tell you that I am using the exchange integration right now, and I only have the $30 data plan and nothing more.
Just as a side topic here, if you root your phone there are free open source tethering applications out there anyway.
But I would point out that Verizon charges $2.99 for visual voice mail.
Which is cheap of them IMO...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30037992</id>
	<title>yawn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257760320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is nothing new, nor is it Droid specific.  This has always been Verizon's data rates.</p><p>An important demographic for Droid is not the single-phone plan geek, but rather family plans in which the parents use Verizon (and would not even think of any other carrier...for excellent reasons).  The kids have been complaining for years that they're stuck with dorky phones because their parents use Verizon.  Droid's function is to give the kids a phone with at least some "kewl cred" so they will stop nagging about iPhone (which would, shudder, meaning having to use, shudder, AT&amp;T) and let Mom and Dad use their BlackBerrys in peace.</p><p>Once you realize Droid's position as the non-dorky phone for kids on a family plan, everything else starts making a lot of sense.  Kids don't tether.  Adult geeks and business people tether, and they can afford to pay a premium for the privilege.  Kids want lots of texting, IM/Twitter, and cool games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is nothing new , nor is it Droid specific .
This has always been Verizon 's data rates.An important demographic for Droid is not the single-phone plan geek , but rather family plans in which the parents use Verizon ( and would not even think of any other carrier...for excellent reasons ) .
The kids have been complaining for years that they 're stuck with dorky phones because their parents use Verizon .
Droid 's function is to give the kids a phone with at least some " kewl cred " so they will stop nagging about iPhone ( which would , shudder , meaning having to use , shudder , AT&amp;T ) and let Mom and Dad use their BlackBerrys in peace.Once you realize Droid 's position as the non-dorky phone for kids on a family plan , everything else starts making a lot of sense .
Kids do n't tether .
Adult geeks and business people tether , and they can afford to pay a premium for the privilege .
Kids want lots of texting , IM/Twitter , and cool games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is nothing new, nor is it Droid specific.
This has always been Verizon's data rates.An important demographic for Droid is not the single-phone plan geek, but rather family plans in which the parents use Verizon (and would not even think of any other carrier...for excellent reasons).
The kids have been complaining for years that they're stuck with dorky phones because their parents use Verizon.
Droid's function is to give the kids a phone with at least some "kewl cred" so they will stop nagging about iPhone (which would, shudder, meaning having to use, shudder, AT&amp;T) and let Mom and Dad use their BlackBerrys in peace.Once you realize Droid's position as the non-dorky phone for kids on a family plan, everything else starts making a lot of sense.
Kids don't tether.
Adult geeks and business people tether, and they can afford to pay a premium for the privilege.
Kids want lots of texting, IM/Twitter, and cool games.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033360</id>
	<title>Article may be mi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257784440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The terms of service are not clear.</p><p>In one ToS document it says...</p><p>For individual use only and not for resale. We reserve the right to protect our network from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows. We reserve the right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, and to deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone we believe is using an Data Plan or Feature in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels. Anyone using more than 5 GB per line in a given month is presumed to be using the service in a manner prohibited above, and we reserve the right to immediately terminate the service of any such person without notice. We also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer Agreement term."</p><p>However, that is not the ToS I get when I try to upgrade my phone to a Droid and add the $30 data plan.  I get this one...</p><p>http://support.vzw.com/terms/products/broadbandaccess\_nationalaccess.html</p><p>and I see no mention of any fixed cap.  I do see stuff about not impacting their network, but no 5GB cap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The terms of service are not clear.In one ToS document it says...For individual use only and not for resale .
We reserve the right to protect our network from harm , which may impact legitimate data flows .
We reserve the right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred , and to deny or terminate service , without notice , to anyone we believe is using an Data Plan or Feature in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels .
Anyone using more than 5 GB per line in a given month is presumed to be using the service in a manner prohibited above , and we reserve the right to immediately terminate the service of any such person without notice .
We also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer Agreement term .
" However , that is not the ToS I get when I try to upgrade my phone to a Droid and add the $ 30 data plan .
I get this one...http : //support.vzw.com/terms/products/broadbandaccess \ _nationalaccess.htmland I see no mention of any fixed cap .
I do see stuff about not impacting their network , but no 5GB cap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The terms of service are not clear.In one ToS document it says...For individual use only and not for resale.
We reserve the right to protect our network from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows.
We reserve the right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, and to deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone we believe is using an Data Plan or Feature in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels.
Anyone using more than 5 GB per line in a given month is presumed to be using the service in a manner prohibited above, and we reserve the right to immediately terminate the service of any such person without notice.
We also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer Agreement term.
"However, that is not the ToS I get when I try to upgrade my phone to a Droid and add the $30 data plan.
I get this one...http://support.vzw.com/terms/products/broadbandaccess\_nationalaccess.htmland I see no mention of any fixed cap.
I do see stuff about not impacting their network, but no 5GB cap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034538</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1257789120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So what do you propose?  We all stop using cell phones, landlines, or the Internet?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So what do you propose ?
We all stop using cell phones , landlines , or the Internet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what do you propose?
We all stop using cell phones, landlines, or the Internet?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034534</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking as one of many AT&amp;T users</title>
	<author>cellurl</author>
	<datestamp>1257789120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am holding out for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White\_spaces\_(radio)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Whitespace</a> [wikipedia.org] data in a year or so.<br> <br>

<a href="http://www.wikispeedia.org/" title="wikispeedia.org" rel="nofollow">Submit a speed limit here</a> [wikispeedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am holding out for Whitespace [ wikipedia.org ] data in a year or so .
Submit a speed limit here [ wikispeedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am holding out for Whitespace [wikipedia.org] data in a year or so.
Submit a speed limit here [wikispeedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30039802</id>
	<title>Re:Summary is dead wrong</title>
	<author>rentmej</author>
	<datestamp>1257768780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously?
<p>You start out with 5 GB and pay $0.05/MB over that.
</p><p>So $1000 in fees plus 5 GB plan equals about 25,000 MB
</p><p>So if they were watching Youtube at 300kbs (and I didn't feel like doing the math, <a href="http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/781332.html" title="whirlpool.net.au" rel="nofollow"> link) so:
</a> [whirlpool.net.au]<br>300kbs / 8 = 37.5KB/s
<br>37.5KB/s * 60 = 2250KB/m
<br>2250KB/m * 60 = 135000KB/h
<br>135000 / 1024 = 131.8MB per hour
</p><p>25,000 MB divided by 131.8 MB equals 189 hours 41 minutes of videos in one month.
</p><p>Wow, really must be in the middle of nowhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously ?
You start out with 5 GB and pay $ 0.05/MB over that .
So $ 1000 in fees plus 5 GB plan equals about 25,000 MB So if they were watching Youtube at 300kbs ( and I did n't feel like doing the math , link ) so : [ whirlpool.net.au ] 300kbs / 8 = 37.5KB/s 37.5KB/s * 60 = 2250KB/m 2250KB/m * 60 = 135000KB/h 135000 / 1024 = 131.8MB per hour 25,000 MB divided by 131.8 MB equals 189 hours 41 minutes of videos in one month .
Wow , really must be in the middle of nowhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously?
You start out with 5 GB and pay $0.05/MB over that.
So $1000 in fees plus 5 GB plan equals about 25,000 MB
So if they were watching Youtube at 300kbs (and I didn't feel like doing the math,  link) so:
 [whirlpool.net.au]300kbs / 8 = 37.5KB/s
37.5KB/s * 60 = 2250KB/m
2250KB/m * 60 = 135000KB/h
135000 / 1024 = 131.8MB per hour
25,000 MB divided by 131.8 MB equals 189 hours 41 minutes of videos in one month.
Wow, really must be in the middle of nowhere.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033370</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Information</title>
	<author>MrNemesis</author>
	<datestamp>1257784500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forgive me if I'm asking a silly question, but how does your telco know whether what you're looking up is part of the "mobile" web or is hooked up to your laptop...? Surely they can't tell what you're actually doing with your phone without actually doing a traffic analysis? They both just use plain ol' protocols on top of TCP/IP, right?</p><p>I ask because I'm considering buying a data bolt-on for my phone and they make a big distinction between the "mobile internet" and "normal internet" (although they don't understand the different between the internet and the WWW so getting an answer out of them is impossible), as one for of data inexplicably costs more than the other, so it's obvious to me that they're gouging. But do they really have any way of detecting what you're doing with your data connection?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forgive me if I 'm asking a silly question , but how does your telco know whether what you 're looking up is part of the " mobile " web or is hooked up to your laptop... ?
Surely they ca n't tell what you 're actually doing with your phone without actually doing a traffic analysis ?
They both just use plain ol ' protocols on top of TCP/IP , right ? I ask because I 'm considering buying a data bolt-on for my phone and they make a big distinction between the " mobile internet " and " normal internet " ( although they do n't understand the different between the internet and the WWW so getting an answer out of them is impossible ) , as one for of data inexplicably costs more than the other , so it 's obvious to me that they 're gouging .
But do they really have any way of detecting what you 're doing with your data connection ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forgive me if I'm asking a silly question, but how does your telco know whether what you're looking up is part of the "mobile" web or is hooked up to your laptop...?
Surely they can't tell what you're actually doing with your phone without actually doing a traffic analysis?
They both just use plain ol' protocols on top of TCP/IP, right?I ask because I'm considering buying a data bolt-on for my phone and they make a big distinction between the "mobile internet" and "normal internet" (although they don't understand the different between the internet and the WWW so getting an answer out of them is impossible), as one for of data inexplicably costs more than the other, so it's obvious to me that they're gouging.
But do they really have any way of detecting what you're doing with your data connection?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30049780</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1257884100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And it's also a 5GB/month cap on AT&amp;T. I'm not sure if it's a "hard" cap like Verizon (eg, you pay extra for the first byte over 5GB) or a soft cap like Verizon used to have (eg, if you go over by much, or too often, they cancel your contract). But it's there. They explicitly mention 5GB now for any plan that officially allows tethering. For all others, including iPhone, they still say "unlimited", but if you really stay restricted to only the functions you're permitted (there's a long list of permitted and restricted behaviors on AT&amp;T), you can't likely exceed 5GB.</p><p>At least Verizon is officially going to allow tethering and higher limits, for a price. As it stands, there's no way to get beyond 5GB per month on the other services... in the USA, of course. Many other countries have more reasonable limits and lower costs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And it 's also a 5GB/month cap on AT&amp;T .
I 'm not sure if it 's a " hard " cap like Verizon ( eg , you pay extra for the first byte over 5GB ) or a soft cap like Verizon used to have ( eg , if you go over by much , or too often , they cancel your contract ) .
But it 's there .
They explicitly mention 5GB now for any plan that officially allows tethering .
For all others , including iPhone , they still say " unlimited " , but if you really stay restricted to only the functions you 're permitted ( there 's a long list of permitted and restricted behaviors on AT&amp;T ) , you ca n't likely exceed 5GB.At least Verizon is officially going to allow tethering and higher limits , for a price .
As it stands , there 's no way to get beyond 5GB per month on the other services... in the USA , of course .
Many other countries have more reasonable limits and lower costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it's also a 5GB/month cap on AT&amp;T.
I'm not sure if it's a "hard" cap like Verizon (eg, you pay extra for the first byte over 5GB) or a soft cap like Verizon used to have (eg, if you go over by much, or too often, they cancel your contract).
But it's there.
They explicitly mention 5GB now for any plan that officially allows tethering.
For all others, including iPhone, they still say "unlimited", but if you really stay restricted to only the functions you're permitted (there's a long list of permitted and restricted behaviors on AT&amp;T), you can't likely exceed 5GB.At least Verizon is officially going to allow tethering and higher limits, for a price.
As it stands, there's no way to get beyond 5GB per month on the other services... in the USA, of course.
Many other countries have more reasonable limits and lower costs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031822</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033018</id>
	<title>Re:PC World Has it out for the Droid</title>
	<author>sogoodsofarsowhat</author>
	<datestamp>1257783120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So wait since i watch CBS sports Live on my iphone your saying i cant use 10GB in a month?

What about all the porn im streaming to my phone from the internet?
What about the large attachments i get to review spreadsheets and drawings or artwork for packaging?
I do all this and you say 10GB is way too much.  Funny, do you work for the phone company, because you sure do sound like you do.
Also i have used a ton of data on my phon (well in excess of 5gb a month) yet ATT has yet to remove me.


Having said all that,...dont get me wrong....phone companies are only 1 step higher than lawyers, which are one step above politicians.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So wait since i watch CBS sports Live on my iphone your saying i cant use 10GB in a month ?
What about all the porn im streaming to my phone from the internet ?
What about the large attachments i get to review spreadsheets and drawings or artwork for packaging ?
I do all this and you say 10GB is way too much .
Funny , do you work for the phone company , because you sure do sound like you do .
Also i have used a ton of data on my phon ( well in excess of 5gb a month ) yet ATT has yet to remove me .
Having said all that,...dont get me wrong....phone companies are only 1 step higher than lawyers , which are one step above politicians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So wait since i watch CBS sports Live on my iphone your saying i cant use 10GB in a month?
What about all the porn im streaming to my phone from the internet?
What about the large attachments i get to review spreadsheets and drawings or artwork for packaging?
I do all this and you say 10GB is way too much.
Funny, do you work for the phone company, because you sure do sound like you do.
Also i have used a ton of data on my phon (well in excess of 5gb a month) yet ATT has yet to remove me.
Having said all that,...dont get me wrong....phone companies are only 1 step higher than lawyers, which are one step above politicians.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033652</id>
	<title>Whoa whoa whoa hey wait a minute now</title>
	<author>xant</author>
	<datestamp>1257785580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do you think iPhone is the only other option?  Verizon is advertising like they invented Android and tethering, but there are several other phones running the OS.  I'd recommend a mytouch or magic.  Root it and get tethering for free (you don't even need to root it if you want web-only tethering).  T-mobile is actually a pretty damn decent company and the data plan isn't capped.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you think iPhone is the only other option ?
Verizon is advertising like they invented Android and tethering , but there are several other phones running the OS .
I 'd recommend a mytouch or magic .
Root it and get tethering for free ( you do n't even need to root it if you want web-only tethering ) .
T-mobile is actually a pretty damn decent company and the data plan is n't capped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you think iPhone is the only other option?
Verizon is advertising like they invented Android and tethering, but there are several other phones running the OS.
I'd recommend a mytouch or magic.
Root it and get tethering for free (you don't even need to root it if you want web-only tethering).
T-mobile is actually a pretty damn decent company and the data plan isn't capped.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031518</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032028</id>
	<title>If its got Android, it can be tethered</title>
	<author>B33RM17</author>
	<datestamp>1257778980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>there are a couple apps out for Android that allow tethering, all free. PDAnet is the most accessible, as it allows ANYONE with an Android based phone to use it as a wireless modem over USB.
<br>
<br>
Or if you're a bit more tech savvy, like me, you can root your phone (which is just plain beneficial anyway) and install the free Wifi tether for root users app. It works like a charm, kinda sucks battery tho<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</htmltext>
<tokenext>there are a couple apps out for Android that allow tethering , all free .
PDAnet is the most accessible , as it allows ANYONE with an Android based phone to use it as a wireless modem over USB .
Or if you 're a bit more tech savvy , like me , you can root your phone ( which is just plain beneficial anyway ) and install the free Wifi tether for root users app .
It works like a charm , kinda sucks battery tho : -P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there are a couple apps out for Android that allow tethering, all free.
PDAnet is the most accessible, as it allows ANYONE with an Android based phone to use it as a wireless modem over USB.
Or if you're a bit more tech savvy, like me, you can root your phone (which is just plain beneficial anyway) and install the free Wifi tether for root users app.
It works like a charm, kinda sucks battery tho :-P</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30043430</id>
	<title>Re:Tethering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257847680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My phone connects via USB oder BT PAN. I get a new ethernet-like connection with a 192.168.0.0/24 address and the phone as the default gateway.</p><p>The point remains: what the fuck has the provider got to do with any of that? It's as if I were being charged more for connecting more devices behind my NATing DSL router.</p><p>The GP's post was the only one I could find in this whole discussion that questions this bullshit. All others perform nice mental wankjobs around the "unlimited" issue, but noone thinks the whole idea of charging more for thethering is absurd to begin with?</p><p>Good sheeple you are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My phone connects via USB oder BT PAN .
I get a new ethernet-like connection with a 192.168.0.0/24 address and the phone as the default gateway.The point remains : what the fuck has the provider got to do with any of that ?
It 's as if I were being charged more for connecting more devices behind my NATing DSL router.The GP 's post was the only one I could find in this whole discussion that questions this bullshit .
All others perform nice mental wankjobs around the " unlimited " issue , but noone thinks the whole idea of charging more for thethering is absurd to begin with ? Good sheeple you are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My phone connects via USB oder BT PAN.
I get a new ethernet-like connection with a 192.168.0.0/24 address and the phone as the default gateway.The point remains: what the fuck has the provider got to do with any of that?
It's as if I were being charged more for connecting more devices behind my NATing DSL router.The GP's post was the only one I could find in this whole discussion that questions this bullshit.
All others perform nice mental wankjobs around the "unlimited" issue, but noone thinks the whole idea of charging more for thethering is absurd to begin with?Good sheeple you are.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034320</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031642</id>
	<title>GSM Droid?</title>
	<author>slifox</author>
	<datestamp>1257776580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does anyone have reliable info about when the GSM version of the Motorola Droid will be release?
<br> <br>
And what will it be called? Sholes? Milestone? etc?
<br> <br>
The Motorola Milestone is supposedly launching in Germany... can we import that and use it with T-Mobile or AT&amp;T in the US?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone have reliable info about when the GSM version of the Motorola Droid will be release ?
And what will it be called ?
Sholes ? Milestone ?
etc ? The Motorola Milestone is supposedly launching in Germany... can we import that and use it with T-Mobile or AT&amp;T in the US ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone have reliable info about when the GSM version of the Motorola Droid will be release?
And what will it be called?
Sholes? Milestone?
etc?
 
The Motorola Milestone is supposedly launching in Germany... can we import that and use it with T-Mobile or AT&amp;T in the US?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031916</id>
	<title>slashvertisement garbage</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257778260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fuck you timothy...  Why are you posting this drivel?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck you timothy... Why are you posting this drivel ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck you timothy...  Why are you posting this drivel?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031998</id>
	<title>Wrong Again</title>
	<author>yakatz</author>
	<datestamp>1257778740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you actually check Verizon's plans, you will see that the $45 charge for "Exchange" is only on corporate accounts and is the same no matter what phone you get. (See <a href="http://www.gearlog.com/2009/11/personal\_droid\_data\_will\_cost.php" title="gearlog.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gearlog.com/2009/11/personal\_droid\_data\_will\_cost.php</a> [gearlog.com])<br>
If you are not on a corporate plan, you will only pay $30.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you actually check Verizon 's plans , you will see that the $ 45 charge for " Exchange " is only on corporate accounts and is the same no matter what phone you get .
( See http : //www.gearlog.com/2009/11/personal \ _droid \ _data \ _will \ _cost.php [ gearlog.com ] ) If you are not on a corporate plan , you will only pay $ 30 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you actually check Verizon's plans, you will see that the $45 charge for "Exchange" is only on corporate accounts and is the same no matter what phone you get.
(See http://www.gearlog.com/2009/11/personal\_droid\_data\_will\_cost.php [gearlog.com])
If you are not on a corporate plan, you will only pay $30.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035600</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon = US, right?</title>
	<author>farble1670</author>
	<datestamp>1257793320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>android phones will be everywhere by early next year. verizon in no way is going to have something special.</htmltext>
<tokenext>android phones will be everywhere by early next year .
verizon in no way is going to have something special .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>android phones will be everywhere by early next year.
verizon in no way is going to have something special.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031462</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30038268</id>
	<title>Nothing new here - Verizon has always done this.</title>
	<author>Whuffo</author>
	<datestamp>1257761520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you actually use any of the "advanced" features of a Verizon phone you'll quickly discover that they've gone out of their way to cripple features and route the few things that still work through their own proxy servers and charge you a hefty fee for every button you push.<p>
I remember when I got a Bluetooth phone from Verizon. The only Bluetooth function that worked was headset - all other profiles were locked out. It had a camera but there was only one way to get a picture off of the phone and onto a computer - attatch it to an email and send it to yourself through Verizon's proxy for $1.50 EACH. Things to remember: "Get It Now" means buy stuff from Verizon and download it to your phone now. "Free" almost always has a fee attached and "Unlimited" is never what it appears. And when you hear them talking about a potential feature as "we're studying it to make sure it's useful - or stable - or safe from viruses or hackers then what they're really saying is that that feature presents a "revenue leak" to Verizon and they'll never enable it unless they can keep you from working around any of their "pay per use" features.</p><p>
Remember when there was a big fuss about Verizon breaking Bluetooth on their phones? They settled a class action over falsely claiming that their phones offered real Bluetooth. There were lots of press releases about how they were going to fix it - but if you check with Verizon today you'll find that the Bluetooth is still crippled on their phones - not just the ones they got sued over, but also the new ones they're offering today. The only thing they do different is to add some fine print to their advertisements that talks about "limited Bluetooth functionality".</p><p>
So when you hear them talking about tethering in the future after they "study" it a bit, what they're really saying is that it's not going to happen. If you want their data service on your laptop, they'll sell you an adapter and service for your laptop IN ADDITION to your cell phone plan. If they allowed tethering, it would cut into that revenue stream - it's not going to happen unless they're forced to do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you actually use any of the " advanced " features of a Verizon phone you 'll quickly discover that they 've gone out of their way to cripple features and route the few things that still work through their own proxy servers and charge you a hefty fee for every button you push .
I remember when I got a Bluetooth phone from Verizon .
The only Bluetooth function that worked was headset - all other profiles were locked out .
It had a camera but there was only one way to get a picture off of the phone and onto a computer - attatch it to an email and send it to yourself through Verizon 's proxy for $ 1.50 EACH .
Things to remember : " Get It Now " means buy stuff from Verizon and download it to your phone now .
" Free " almost always has a fee attached and " Unlimited " is never what it appears .
And when you hear them talking about a potential feature as " we 're studying it to make sure it 's useful - or stable - or safe from viruses or hackers then what they 're really saying is that that feature presents a " revenue leak " to Verizon and they 'll never enable it unless they can keep you from working around any of their " pay per use " features .
Remember when there was a big fuss about Verizon breaking Bluetooth on their phones ?
They settled a class action over falsely claiming that their phones offered real Bluetooth .
There were lots of press releases about how they were going to fix it - but if you check with Verizon today you 'll find that the Bluetooth is still crippled on their phones - not just the ones they got sued over , but also the new ones they 're offering today .
The only thing they do different is to add some fine print to their advertisements that talks about " limited Bluetooth functionality " .
So when you hear them talking about tethering in the future after they " study " it a bit , what they 're really saying is that it 's not going to happen .
If you want their data service on your laptop , they 'll sell you an adapter and service for your laptop IN ADDITION to your cell phone plan .
If they allowed tethering , it would cut into that revenue stream - it 's not going to happen unless they 're forced to do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you actually use any of the "advanced" features of a Verizon phone you'll quickly discover that they've gone out of their way to cripple features and route the few things that still work through their own proxy servers and charge you a hefty fee for every button you push.
I remember when I got a Bluetooth phone from Verizon.
The only Bluetooth function that worked was headset - all other profiles were locked out.
It had a camera but there was only one way to get a picture off of the phone and onto a computer - attatch it to an email and send it to yourself through Verizon's proxy for $1.50 EACH.
Things to remember: "Get It Now" means buy stuff from Verizon and download it to your phone now.
"Free" almost always has a fee attached and "Unlimited" is never what it appears.
And when you hear them talking about a potential feature as "we're studying it to make sure it's useful - or stable - or safe from viruses or hackers then what they're really saying is that that feature presents a "revenue leak" to Verizon and they'll never enable it unless they can keep you from working around any of their "pay per use" features.
Remember when there was a big fuss about Verizon breaking Bluetooth on their phones?
They settled a class action over falsely claiming that their phones offered real Bluetooth.
There were lots of press releases about how they were going to fix it - but if you check with Verizon today you'll find that the Bluetooth is still crippled on their phones - not just the ones they got sued over, but also the new ones they're offering today.
The only thing they do different is to add some fine print to their advertisements that talks about "limited Bluetooth functionality".
So when you hear them talking about tethering in the future after they "study" it a bit, what they're really saying is that it's not going to happen.
If you want their data service on your laptop, they'll sell you an adapter and service for your laptop IN ADDITION to your cell phone plan.
If they allowed tethering, it would cut into that revenue stream - it's not going to happen unless they're forced to do it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032590</id>
	<title>Re:Overhyped</title>
	<author>bluefoxlucid</author>
	<datestamp>1257781500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>sounds like someone who hasn't even seen the phone yet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>sounds like someone who has n't even seen the phone yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sounds like someone who hasn't even seen the phone yet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031784</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032288</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon = US, right?</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1257780180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>People aren't going to buy it? Where have you been? The O2-only Apple deal went out months ago, and Orange will be carrying it soon. Other providers soon after.<br> <br>No links, as I can't be bothered and I'm sure you can use <a href="http://www.google.com/" title="google.com">Google</a> [google.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>People are n't going to buy it ?
Where have you been ?
The O2-only Apple deal went out months ago , and Orange will be carrying it soon .
Other providers soon after .
No links , as I ca n't be bothered and I 'm sure you can use Google [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People aren't going to buy it?
Where have you been?
The O2-only Apple deal went out months ago, and Orange will be carrying it soon.
Other providers soon after.
No links, as I can't be bothered and I'm sure you can use Google [google.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031462</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031666</id>
	<title>Summary is dead wrong</title>
	<author>ericrost</author>
	<datestamp>1257776820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The data plan is, in fact, unlimited. I go over 5 GB a month on my current Verizon phone regularly. This is no different. Tethering specifically has a 5 GB limit which is stated in the contract for it. There are also readily available hacks to make tethering work on an Android phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The data plan is , in fact , unlimited .
I go over 5 GB a month on my current Verizon phone regularly .
This is no different .
Tethering specifically has a 5 GB limit which is stated in the contract for it .
There are also readily available hacks to make tethering work on an Android phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The data plan is, in fact, unlimited.
I go over 5 GB a month on my current Verizon phone regularly.
This is no different.
Tethering specifically has a 5 GB limit which is stated in the contract for it.
There are also readily available hacks to make tethering work on an Android phone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30039578</id>
	<title>Re:Summary is dead wrong</title>
	<author>jaavaaguru</author>
	<datestamp>1257767280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>expecting non-computer savvy people to understand what 5GB is, and the fact that it's not "unlimited" like they state is deceiving and unethical</p></div></blockquote><p>If you're using the internet, perhaps you *should* understand what 5GB is. If you're using a road, you should know what 55mph is. Don't do your research first and you're likely to end up out of pocket. I'm sure there are many other scenarios where this can be applied to.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>expecting non-computer savvy people to understand what 5GB is , and the fact that it 's not " unlimited " like they state is deceiving and unethicalIf you 're using the internet , perhaps you * should * understand what 5GB is .
If you 're using a road , you should know what 55mph is .
Do n't do your research first and you 're likely to end up out of pocket .
I 'm sure there are many other scenarios where this can be applied to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>expecting non-computer savvy people to understand what 5GB is, and the fact that it's not "unlimited" like they state is deceiving and unethicalIf you're using the internet, perhaps you *should* understand what 5GB is.
If you're using a road, you should know what 55mph is.
Don't do your research first and you're likely to end up out of pocket.
I'm sure there are many other scenarios where this can be applied to.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032536</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking as one of many AT&amp;T users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257781260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AT&amp;T costs the same for any phone other than your iPhone though. So you don't always get what you pay for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T costs the same for any phone other than your iPhone though .
So you do n't always get what you pay for : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T costs the same for any phone other than your iPhone though.
So you don't always get what you pay for :P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033414</id>
	<title>Re:It'd be nice if they stopped lying.</title>
	<author>EvilJoker</author>
	<datestamp>1257784620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The summary and article are HORRIBLY wrong.  These things have been discussed on various cell phone forums many times, and here is the truth:</p><p>The data used on the phone is indeed unlimited.</p><p>Exchange access is not needed on the Droid, but it was something needed for certain Blackberry users.  Note that the Droid can still access Exchange servers.  This cost $15, making the data plan $45.</p><p>Tethering is limited to 5GB, and is clearly stated on their site: <a href="http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/?page=plans&amp;lid=//global//plans//mobile+broadband+plan" title="verizonwireless.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/?page=plans&amp;lid=//global//plans//mobile+broadband+plan</a> [verizonwireless.com]<br>This is $15 if added to the Exchange plan, or $30 if added to the regular plan.  Either way, the data portion is now $60, the same cost as a standalone tethering plan.</p><p>Data from the phone is counted separately from the PC (but currently, the only tethering options mask the tethering as being from the phone, which is against ToS)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary and article are HORRIBLY wrong .
These things have been discussed on various cell phone forums many times , and here is the truth : The data used on the phone is indeed unlimited.Exchange access is not needed on the Droid , but it was something needed for certain Blackberry users .
Note that the Droid can still access Exchange servers .
This cost $ 15 , making the data plan $ 45.Tethering is limited to 5GB , and is clearly stated on their site : http : //www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/ ? page = plans&amp;lid = //global//plans//mobile + broadband + plan [ verizonwireless.com ] This is $ 15 if added to the Exchange plan , or $ 30 if added to the regular plan .
Either way , the data portion is now $ 60 , the same cost as a standalone tethering plan.Data from the phone is counted separately from the PC ( but currently , the only tethering options mask the tethering as being from the phone , which is against ToS )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary and article are HORRIBLY wrong.
These things have been discussed on various cell phone forums many times, and here is the truth:The data used on the phone is indeed unlimited.Exchange access is not needed on the Droid, but it was something needed for certain Blackberry users.
Note that the Droid can still access Exchange servers.
This cost $15, making the data plan $45.Tethering is limited to 5GB, and is clearly stated on their site: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/?page=plans&amp;lid=//global//plans//mobile+broadband+plan [verizonwireless.com]This is $15 if added to the Exchange plan, or $30 if added to the regular plan.
Either way, the data portion is now $60, the same cost as a standalone tethering plan.Data from the phone is counted separately from the PC (but currently, the only tethering options mask the tethering as being from the phone, which is against ToS)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035694</id>
	<title>Re:It'd be nice if they stopped lying.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257793680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Technically, it's not 'limited'.  You CAN go over the cap.  It'll just cost you.  It's only limited if it cuts you off, from a purely semantics point of view.</p><p>Which of course their lawyers would be running off of.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Technically , it 's not 'limited' .
You CAN go over the cap .
It 'll just cost you .
It 's only limited if it cuts you off , from a purely semantics point of view.Which of course their lawyers would be running off of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Technically, it's not 'limited'.
You CAN go over the cap.
It'll just cost you.
It's only limited if it cuts you off, from a purely semantics point of view.Which of course their lawyers would be running off of.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30045780</id>
	<title>Re:Summary is dead wrong</title>
	<author>ericrost</author>
	<datestamp>1257869580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Modem != phone</p><p>Smart phone plans are different to their wireless modem plans. Smart phone plans are unlimited usage from the phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Modem ! = phoneSmart phone plans are different to their wireless modem plans .
Smart phone plans are unlimited usage from the phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Modem != phoneSmart phone plans are different to their wireless modem plans.
Smart phone plans are unlimited usage from the phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034952</id>
	<title>Damn I knew it.</title>
	<author>sbeckstead</author>
	<datestamp>1257790860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's what Verizon does and why even if they got the iPhone I wouldn't switch.  They wanted an extra dime for every feature of my razr as well and I got tired of it.
What the hell good does that map do if it costs you 5 bucks every time you want to see it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what Verizon does and why even if they got the iPhone I would n't switch .
They wanted an extra dime for every feature of my razr as well and I got tired of it .
What the hell good does that map do if it costs you 5 bucks every time you want to see it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what Verizon does and why even if they got the iPhone I wouldn't switch.
They wanted an extra dime for every feature of my razr as well and I got tired of it.
What the hell good does that map do if it costs you 5 bucks every time you want to see it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30049698</id>
	<title>Re:It'd be nicer if people got a clue</title>
	<author>Genom</author>
	<datestamp>1257883860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Who the f*ck cares if they call it "unlimited"? The 5GB cap is well documented and well-known. Sure you have to read a little fine print (which isn't even all that hidden anymore), but if you're a remotely tech-savvy user, you're probably reading forums like this one and are acutely aware of the 5GB cap anyway. And for 99\% of users, 5GB/month on a cell phone may as well be unlimited</p></div></blockquote><p>Because, pure and simple, it's deceptive.  It's a lie.</p><p>"Unlimited data" means "Data, without limit".  If there's a 5GB limit, calling it "Unlimited" is lying.</p><p>Re-defining "Unlimited" to mean something else is deceptive.</p><p>Both of these things are wrong, and potentially illegal.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who the f * ck cares if they call it " unlimited " ?
The 5GB cap is well documented and well-known .
Sure you have to read a little fine print ( which is n't even all that hidden anymore ) , but if you 're a remotely tech-savvy user , you 're probably reading forums like this one and are acutely aware of the 5GB cap anyway .
And for 99 \ % of users , 5GB/month on a cell phone may as well be unlimitedBecause , pure and simple , it 's deceptive .
It 's a lie .
" Unlimited data " means " Data , without limit " .
If there 's a 5GB limit , calling it " Unlimited " is lying.Re-defining " Unlimited " to mean something else is deceptive.Both of these things are wrong , and potentially illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who the f*ck cares if they call it "unlimited"?
The 5GB cap is well documented and well-known.
Sure you have to read a little fine print (which isn't even all that hidden anymore), but if you're a remotely tech-savvy user, you're probably reading forums like this one and are acutely aware of the 5GB cap anyway.
And for 99\% of users, 5GB/month on a cell phone may as well be unlimitedBecause, pure and simple, it's deceptive.
It's a lie.
"Unlimited data" means "Data, without limit".
If there's a 5GB limit, calling it "Unlimited" is lying.Re-defining "Unlimited" to mean something else is deceptive.Both of these things are wrong, and potentially illegal.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035954</id>
	<title>WRONG!</title>
	<author>alexfeig</author>
	<datestamp>1257794640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You do not need the $45/mo plan for ActiveSync/Exchange support. They will tell you to do, but from *personal* experience, this is BS. Browse the droid forums, plenty of people will tell you the same thing. Verizon is just like every other cell company - they will squeeze where they can (But I think mostly it has to do with inadequate training).<br> <br>

To be honest, I don't even see how they could block it... it's just an SSL connection...</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do not need the $ 45/mo plan for ActiveSync/Exchange support .
They will tell you to do , but from * personal * experience , this is BS .
Browse the droid forums , plenty of people will tell you the same thing .
Verizon is just like every other cell company - they will squeeze where they can ( But I think mostly it has to do with inadequate training ) .
To be honest , I do n't even see how they could block it... it 's just an SSL connection.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do not need the $45/mo plan for ActiveSync/Exchange support.
They will tell you to do, but from *personal* experience, this is BS.
Browse the droid forums, plenty of people will tell you the same thing.
Verizon is just like every other cell company - they will squeeze where they can (But I think mostly it has to do with inadequate training).
To be honest, I don't even see how they could block it... it's just an SSL connection...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031530</id>
	<title>generally favorable reviews?</title>
	<author>Mr. Droopy Drawers</author>
	<datestamp>1257775860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Robert Scoble compares the Droid to to Windows 3.1. </p><p><a href="http://scobleizer.com/2009/11/08/droid-palm-pre-iphone-product-comparison/" title="scobleizer.com">The Droid fails AS A PRODUCT when compared to Palm Pre and iPhone</a> [scobleizer.com]</p><p>Between this review, the increased cost of dumping a crappy phone, and the general high cost of actually using it for data, I'm going sit on the sidelines a little longer</p><p>A battery cover that falls off? A physical keyboard that "peels" off?</p><p>Come on Motorola! I think you're better than that!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Robert Scoble compares the Droid to to Windows 3.1 .
The Droid fails AS A PRODUCT when compared to Palm Pre and iPhone [ scobleizer.com ] Between this review , the increased cost of dumping a crappy phone , and the general high cost of actually using it for data , I 'm going sit on the sidelines a little longerA battery cover that falls off ?
A physical keyboard that " peels " off ? Come on Motorola !
I think you 're better than that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Robert Scoble compares the Droid to to Windows 3.1.
The Droid fails AS A PRODUCT when compared to Palm Pre and iPhone [scobleizer.com]Between this review, the increased cost of dumping a crappy phone, and the general high cost of actually using it for data, I'm going sit on the sidelines a little longerA battery cover that falls off?
A physical keyboard that "peels" off?Come on Motorola!
I think you're better than that!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033932</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1257786900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And who else are you gonna go to? Hm? The one company that is in beds with government *too*, or the other company whose CEOd plays golf with the Verizon CEO?</p><p>Free marked my ass! It's as free as you are free to choose between two dummy parties.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And who else are you gon na go to ?
Hm ? The one company that is in beds with government * too * , or the other company whose CEOd plays golf with the Verizon CEO ? Free marked my ass !
It 's as free as you are free to choose between two dummy parties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And who else are you gonna go to?
Hm? The one company that is in beds with government *too*, or the other company whose CEOd plays golf with the Verizon CEO?Free marked my ass!
It's as free as you are free to choose between two dummy parties.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035026</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1257791160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Just out of curiosity, how can a wireless company tell whether or not you're tethering, when you run a device that can run pretty much any sort of software?</p></div><p>They can't tell at all.  They just use made up numbers to 'prove' it.</p><p>If you download 1gb from your unlimited plan to your PC while teathered for example, they will assume incorrectly it was your phone doing it and you will be OK.</p><p>If you download 10gb from your unlimited plan to your phone with NO teathering, they will say you used too much of your unlimited plan and slander you with a teathering accusation, as well as add fees to your bill for using too much unlimited service, or if it is enough traffic just disconnect you.</p><p>While verizon breaking your contract and then accusing you of breaking the contract is illegal (The TOS is a legally binding contract after all) they are counting on the fact it will 'cost' you time and money to prove you are innocent, and won't take them to court over it.  Most times, they are correct.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just out of curiosity , how can a wireless company tell whether or not you 're tethering , when you run a device that can run pretty much any sort of software ? They ca n't tell at all .
They just use made up numbers to 'prove ' it.If you download 1gb from your unlimited plan to your PC while teathered for example , they will assume incorrectly it was your phone doing it and you will be OK.If you download 10gb from your unlimited plan to your phone with NO teathering , they will say you used too much of your unlimited plan and slander you with a teathering accusation , as well as add fees to your bill for using too much unlimited service , or if it is enough traffic just disconnect you.While verizon breaking your contract and then accusing you of breaking the contract is illegal ( The TOS is a legally binding contract after all ) they are counting on the fact it will 'cost ' you time and money to prove you are innocent , and wo n't take them to court over it .
Most times , they are correct .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just out of curiosity, how can a wireless company tell whether or not you're tethering, when you run a device that can run pretty much any sort of software?They can't tell at all.
They just use made up numbers to 'prove' it.If you download 1gb from your unlimited plan to your PC while teathered for example, they will assume incorrectly it was your phone doing it and you will be OK.If you download 10gb from your unlimited plan to your phone with NO teathering, they will say you used too much of your unlimited plan and slander you with a teathering accusation, as well as add fees to your bill for using too much unlimited service, or if it is enough traffic just disconnect you.While verizon breaking your contract and then accusing you of breaking the contract is illegal (The TOS is a legally binding contract after all) they are counting on the fact it will 'cost' you time and money to prove you are innocent, and won't take them to court over it.
Most times, they are correct.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034246</id>
	<title>Re:Summary is dead wrong</title>
	<author>Rich0</author>
	<datestamp>1257788100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed - almost all of the cell providers should be fined for deceptive trade practices the way they sucker people into huge bills - all agreed to in fine print.</p><p>All of this would be fixed by a very simple law - anybody ought to be able to set a limit on their monthly bill.  If I call up evilphoneco and tell them that my cell phone bill is capped at $90 per month, then I don't care WHAT services I consume - they can't charge me more than $90 per month.  It is their job to keep me from using services I haven't paid for - not my job to avoid accidentally incurring them.  And no incurring of debts either - if they deliver me $10k worth of services they can bill me $90 once and then we're even.</p><p>Oh, the second part of that law would be that everybody's cap starts out at whatever their basic monthly rate is.  Unless somebody specifically requests a higher limit they couldn't be charged for any "optional" services.</p><p>And no giving people limited choices like $10/month or unlimited only.  People should be able to name their own limits as arbitrarily as they'd like.</p><p>It seems like phone companies depend on people making $500 mistakes with their cell phones, and they almost count on people doing it.  They get zero mercy when it happens.  At best they might be offered an option for $10 per month to cap their bill.  That should NOT be something that costs money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed - almost all of the cell providers should be fined for deceptive trade practices the way they sucker people into huge bills - all agreed to in fine print.All of this would be fixed by a very simple law - anybody ought to be able to set a limit on their monthly bill .
If I call up evilphoneco and tell them that my cell phone bill is capped at $ 90 per month , then I do n't care WHAT services I consume - they ca n't charge me more than $ 90 per month .
It is their job to keep me from using services I have n't paid for - not my job to avoid accidentally incurring them .
And no incurring of debts either - if they deliver me $ 10k worth of services they can bill me $ 90 once and then we 're even.Oh , the second part of that law would be that everybody 's cap starts out at whatever their basic monthly rate is .
Unless somebody specifically requests a higher limit they could n't be charged for any " optional " services.And no giving people limited choices like $ 10/month or unlimited only .
People should be able to name their own limits as arbitrarily as they 'd like.It seems like phone companies depend on people making $ 500 mistakes with their cell phones , and they almost count on people doing it .
They get zero mercy when it happens .
At best they might be offered an option for $ 10 per month to cap their bill .
That should NOT be something that costs money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed - almost all of the cell providers should be fined for deceptive trade practices the way they sucker people into huge bills - all agreed to in fine print.All of this would be fixed by a very simple law - anybody ought to be able to set a limit on their monthly bill.
If I call up evilphoneco and tell them that my cell phone bill is capped at $90 per month, then I don't care WHAT services I consume - they can't charge me more than $90 per month.
It is their job to keep me from using services I haven't paid for - not my job to avoid accidentally incurring them.
And no incurring of debts either - if they deliver me $10k worth of services they can bill me $90 once and then we're even.Oh, the second part of that law would be that everybody's cap starts out at whatever their basic monthly rate is.
Unless somebody specifically requests a higher limit they couldn't be charged for any "optional" services.And no giving people limited choices like $10/month or unlimited only.
People should be able to name their own limits as arbitrarily as they'd like.It seems like phone companies depend on people making $500 mistakes with their cell phones, and they almost count on people doing it.
They get zero mercy when it happens.
At best they might be offered an option for $10 per month to cap their bill.
That should NOT be something that costs money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031370</id>
	<title>Tethering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257775020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For all of us cavemen out there who still just use our cell phones to make phone calls:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Tethering is using a mobile device to gain Internet access for another device.</p></div><p> - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tethering" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tethering</a> [wikipedia.org] </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For all of us cavemen out there who still just use our cell phones to make phone calls : Tethering is using a mobile device to gain Internet access for another device .
- http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tethering [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For all of us cavemen out there who still just use our cell phones to make phone calls:Tethering is using a mobile device to gain Internet access for another device.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tethering [wikipedia.org] 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031462</id>
	<title>Verizon = US, right?</title>
	<author>YeeHaW\_Jelte</author>
	<datestamp>1257775500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So does that mean that you can only get a Droid telephone with a verizon account?</p><p>If so, there's your problem: your markets for mobile telecom are vendor-locked, and thus not very free. Say what you might about the EU, they really whipped the mobile telco's into submission and as such, we don't have a system where your phone is branded by the telco. Incidentally, Apple is trying to push such a model to Europe, but people here are not buying into it.</p><p>If not so, what's the big deal? Just buy the droid and don't choose Verizon as your provider.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So does that mean that you can only get a Droid telephone with a verizon account ? If so , there 's your problem : your markets for mobile telecom are vendor-locked , and thus not very free .
Say what you might about the EU , they really whipped the mobile telco 's into submission and as such , we do n't have a system where your phone is branded by the telco .
Incidentally , Apple is trying to push such a model to Europe , but people here are not buying into it.If not so , what 's the big deal ?
Just buy the droid and do n't choose Verizon as your provider .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So does that mean that you can only get a Droid telephone with a verizon account?If so, there's your problem: your markets for mobile telecom are vendor-locked, and thus not very free.
Say what you might about the EU, they really whipped the mobile telco's into submission and as such, we don't have a system where your phone is branded by the telco.
Incidentally, Apple is trying to push such a model to Europe, but people here are not buying into it.If not so, what's the big deal?
Just buy the droid and don't choose Verizon as your provider.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033626</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>Shotgun</author>
	<datestamp>1257785520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But they way they are doing this is just a trap basically.  I bet the phone doesn't even tell you if you go over the limit, unless you look in some deeply buried menu.  They are just setting you up for a huge bill during that one month when you actually use the phone's internet capabilities to their full potential.</p></div><p>Sorry, no menu buried anywhere.  They'll tell you how much data you've used....since the last time you reset the counter.  This counter on your phone doesn't have any correlation to the counters they keep from month to month.  It is basically worthless unless you use some obscure hacks to track when your plan starts and ends in a month.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But they way they are doing this is just a trap basically .
I bet the phone does n't even tell you if you go over the limit , unless you look in some deeply buried menu .
They are just setting you up for a huge bill during that one month when you actually use the phone 's internet capabilities to their full potential.Sorry , no menu buried anywhere .
They 'll tell you how much data you 've used....since the last time you reset the counter .
This counter on your phone does n't have any correlation to the counters they keep from month to month .
It is basically worthless unless you use some obscure hacks to track when your plan starts and ends in a month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But they way they are doing this is just a trap basically.
I bet the phone doesn't even tell you if you go over the limit, unless you look in some deeply buried menu.
They are just setting you up for a huge bill during that one month when you actually use the phone's internet capabilities to their full potential.Sorry, no menu buried anywhere.
They'll tell you how much data you've used....since the last time you reset the counter.
This counter on your phone doesn't have any correlation to the counters they keep from month to month.
It is basically worthless unless you use some obscure hacks to track when your plan starts and ends in a month.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30039294</id>
	<title>Re:Summary is dead wrong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257765720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The summary IS wrong. Your brother and his wife got nailed for overages on a mobile broadband service, which has similar terms as tethering. Unlimited data usage on phones and smartphones are truly unlimited, within reason. Someone who does a lot of streaming with their phone or smartphone can easily go over 5gb in a month and not be charged these so called extortionate prices. However, if data is very high, as could be caused by going around the systems put in place to gain tethering service outside of the TOS, Verizon may investigate and/or terminate the data service, and/or charge overage fees.</p><p>Unlimited data for phones and smartphones is unlimited.<br>There is no unlimited mobile broadband or tethering. Verizon doesn't even sell such a service in those terms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary IS wrong .
Your brother and his wife got nailed for overages on a mobile broadband service , which has similar terms as tethering .
Unlimited data usage on phones and smartphones are truly unlimited , within reason .
Someone who does a lot of streaming with their phone or smartphone can easily go over 5gb in a month and not be charged these so called extortionate prices .
However , if data is very high , as could be caused by going around the systems put in place to gain tethering service outside of the TOS , Verizon may investigate and/or terminate the data service , and/or charge overage fees.Unlimited data for phones and smartphones is unlimited.There is no unlimited mobile broadband or tethering .
Verizon does n't even sell such a service in those terms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary IS wrong.
Your brother and his wife got nailed for overages on a mobile broadband service, which has similar terms as tethering.
Unlimited data usage on phones and smartphones are truly unlimited, within reason.
Someone who does a lot of streaming with their phone or smartphone can easily go over 5gb in a month and not be charged these so called extortionate prices.
However, if data is very high, as could be caused by going around the systems put in place to gain tethering service outside of the TOS, Verizon may investigate and/or terminate the data service, and/or charge overage fees.Unlimited data for phones and smartphones is unlimited.There is no unlimited mobile broadband or tethering.
Verizon doesn't even sell such a service in those terms.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033116</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong Information</title>
	<author>sirinek</author>
	<datestamp>1257783540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It says nothing about unlimited data or tethering in that link or the AUP document I read that was linked from the page you linked to.</p><p>Near as I can tell, your 5GB plan gets you 5GB. If you are a Verizon customer you can log onto their website at any time and check your data usage, or if your phone supports the "My Verizon" app like mine does, you can use it for checking.</p><p>I used less than 100MB last month with web browsing, app downloads, using google maps with gps, and some light youtube video watching. Unless you are downloading large files you shouldnt need to worry about a 5GB cap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It says nothing about unlimited data or tethering in that link or the AUP document I read that was linked from the page you linked to.Near as I can tell , your 5GB plan gets you 5GB .
If you are a Verizon customer you can log onto their website at any time and check your data usage , or if your phone supports the " My Verizon " app like mine does , you can use it for checking.I used less than 100MB last month with web browsing , app downloads , using google maps with gps , and some light youtube video watching .
Unless you are downloading large files you shouldnt need to worry about a 5GB cap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It says nothing about unlimited data or tethering in that link or the AUP document I read that was linked from the page you linked to.Near as I can tell, your 5GB plan gets you 5GB.
If you are a Verizon customer you can log onto their website at any time and check your data usage, or if your phone supports the "My Verizon" app like mine does, you can use it for checking.I used less than 100MB last month with web browsing, app downloads, using google maps with gps, and some light youtube video watching.
Unless you are downloading large files you shouldnt need to worry about a 5GB cap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034892</id>
	<title>Re:Suckers...</title>
	<author>Microlith</author>
	<datestamp>1257790620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you suggest they cancel service with Verizon. Ok. AT&amp;T and T-Mobile pull the same bullshit. Ok, avoid them too. No cell service for you, time to get a landline. Wait, the only landline providers in your area are Verizon and AT&amp;T.</p><p>What do you do then?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you suggest they cancel service with Verizon .
Ok. AT&amp;T and T-Mobile pull the same bullshit .
Ok , avoid them too .
No cell service for you , time to get a landline .
Wait , the only landline providers in your area are Verizon and AT&amp;T.What do you do then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you suggest they cancel service with Verizon.
Ok. AT&amp;T and T-Mobile pull the same bullshit.
Ok, avoid them too.
No cell service for you, time to get a landline.
Wait, the only landline providers in your area are Verizon and AT&amp;T.What do you do then?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031552</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30036756</id>
	<title>Exchange access</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257798300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here are some comments about Exchange access from Verizon a spokeswoman. Full article here: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/11/verizon-droid-exchange/</p><p>&ldquo;Most customers will pay $30 for the data plan that gets them internet access and push e-mail,&rdquo; Brenda Raney, a spokesperson for Verizon Wireless told Wired.com.  &ldquo;Customers who use an enterprise server are, in general, business customers and an IT department is facilitating the access. [Those] are the ones who need the $50 plan.&rdquo;</p><p>In some cases, Droid users who get the $30 data plan could still access Exchange, says Raney. But that will be a decision for their companies to make. &ldquo;Many companies required a corporate-approved device for it to access Exchange,&rdquo; she says. &ldquo;In those cases, Droid users will have to get a business account with Verizon.&rdquo;</p><p>The policy is not just for the Droid. It applies to all Verizon smartphones, including the BlackBerry, that want to get corporate e-mail, says Verizon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here are some comments about Exchange access from Verizon a spokeswoman .
Full article here : http : //www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/11/verizon-droid-exchange/    Most customers will pay $ 30 for the data plan that gets them internet access and push e-mail ,    Brenda Raney , a spokesperson for Verizon Wireless told Wired.com .
   Customers who use an enterprise server are , in general , business customers and an IT department is facilitating the access .
[ Those ] are the ones who need the $ 50 plan.    In some cases , Droid users who get the $ 30 data plan could still access Exchange , says Raney .
But that will be a decision for their companies to make .
   Many companies required a corporate-approved device for it to access Exchange ,    she says .
   In those cases , Droid users will have to get a business account with Verizon.    The policy is not just for the Droid .
It applies to all Verizon smartphones , including the BlackBerry , that want to get corporate e-mail , says Verizon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here are some comments about Exchange access from Verizon a spokeswoman.
Full article here: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/11/verizon-droid-exchange/“Most customers will pay $30 for the data plan that gets them internet access and push e-mail,” Brenda Raney, a spokesperson for Verizon Wireless told Wired.com.
“Customers who use an enterprise server are, in general, business customers and an IT department is facilitating the access.
[Those] are the ones who need the $50 plan.”In some cases, Droid users who get the $30 data plan could still access Exchange, says Raney.
But that will be a decision for their companies to make.
“Many companies required a corporate-approved device for it to access Exchange,” she says.
“In those cases, Droid users will have to get a business account with Verizon.”The policy is not just for the Droid.
It applies to all Verizon smartphones, including the BlackBerry, that want to get corporate e-mail, says Verizon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033512</id>
	<title>Welcome...</title>
	<author>rgviza</author>
	<datestamp>1257784980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... to smartphones on Verizon. There's a map for that!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... to smartphones on Verizon .
There 's a map for that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... to smartphones on Verizon.
There's a map for that!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033468</id>
	<title>It *IS* unlimited!</title>
	<author>Slashdot Parent</author>
	<datestamp>1257784860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is unlimited data.  Verizon isn't going to limit your data usage.</p><p>Oh sure, they're gonna charge you if you go beyond 5GB, but nobody claimed it was "unlimited free" data usage!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is unlimited data .
Verizon is n't going to limit your data usage.Oh sure , they 're gon na charge you if you go beyond 5GB , but nobody claimed it was " unlimited free " data usage !
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is unlimited data.
Verizon isn't going to limit your data usage.Oh sure, they're gonna charge you if you go beyond 5GB, but nobody claimed it was "unlimited free" data usage!
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033090</id>
	<title>only for tethering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257783360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the 5 GB cap is only if using it for tethering. It is unlimited if you do all that browsing on our device. Not sure how you could possibly use 5GB without tethering anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the 5 GB cap is only if using it for tethering .
It is unlimited if you do all that browsing on our device .
Not sure how you could possibly use 5GB without tethering anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the 5 GB cap is only if using it for tethering.
It is unlimited if you do all that browsing on our device.
Not sure how you could possibly use 5GB without tethering anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033702</id>
	<title>early ETF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257785880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Verizon just doubled the early disconnection fee<br>http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=8202<br>350$ it is yes sir we will suck you dry</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Verizon just doubled the early disconnection feehttp : //www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp ? Id = 8202350 $ it is yes sir we will suck you dry</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Verizon just doubled the early disconnection feehttp://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=8202350$ it is yes sir we will suck you dry</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032290</id>
	<title>Re:Summary is dead wrong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257780180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The data plan is, in fact, unlimited. I go over 5 GB a month on my current Verizon phone regularly.</p></div> </blockquote><p>
So if you've actually got one, perhaps you can help me out here...
</p><p>
1) What are you doing that puts you over the cap?  5GB/mo = 166MB/d.  Can you give me a typical week's usage pattern?  (i.e. 5 days of random web/email stuff, and then you watch a movie on YouTube during the weekend?) <br>
2) Your claim is that <em>tethered</em> data is subject to the 5GB cap, but that <em>untethered</em> data (read: "surfing the web from the phone") isn't? <br>
3) What happens when you hit the cap with untethered data?  Does it shut off, throttle, or does it charge you $50/GB next month? <br>
4) If you're talking about an Android-based phone and one of the many apps out there for tethering, how does the phone tell VZ whether a given byte is from tethered or untethered data?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The data plan is , in fact , unlimited .
I go over 5 GB a month on my current Verizon phone regularly .
So if you 've actually got one , perhaps you can help me out here.. . 1 ) What are you doing that puts you over the cap ?
5GB/mo = 166MB/d .
Can you give me a typical week 's usage pattern ?
( i.e. 5 days of random web/email stuff , and then you watch a movie on YouTube during the weekend ?
) 2 ) Your claim is that tethered data is subject to the 5GB cap , but that untethered data ( read : " surfing the web from the phone " ) is n't ?
3 ) What happens when you hit the cap with untethered data ?
Does it shut off , throttle , or does it charge you $ 50/GB next month ?
4 ) If you 're talking about an Android-based phone and one of the many apps out there for tethering , how does the phone tell VZ whether a given byte is from tethered or untethered data ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The data plan is, in fact, unlimited.
I go over 5 GB a month on my current Verizon phone regularly.
So if you've actually got one, perhaps you can help me out here...

1) What are you doing that puts you over the cap?
5GB/mo = 166MB/d.
Can you give me a typical week's usage pattern?
(i.e. 5 days of random web/email stuff, and then you watch a movie on YouTube during the weekend?
) 
2) Your claim is that tethered data is subject to the 5GB cap, but that untethered data (read: "surfing the web from the phone") isn't?
3) What happens when you hit the cap with untethered data?
Does it shut off, throttle, or does it charge you $50/GB next month?
4) If you're talking about an Android-based phone and one of the many apps out there for tethering, how does the phone tell VZ whether a given byte is from tethered or untethered data?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032724</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257781920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Verizon has had these plans for the past year.  This is nothing new with the launch of the Droid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Verizon has had these plans for the past year .
This is nothing new with the launch of the Droid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Verizon has had these plans for the past year.
This is nothing new with the launch of the Droid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034106</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking as one of many AT&amp;T users</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1257787440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The moral of the story? You get what you pay for.</i></p><p>Sometimes you DON'T get what you pay for, but you almost always pay for what you get. I'm paying a flat $50 per month for voice, text, voicemail, and internet, with no metering -- it's a flat rate. Anout the only place I can't get a signal is in the center of my work's building, but then again radios and nobody else's cell works there either.</p><p>If I were half of a couple it would be $100, still twenty bucks less than you're paying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The moral of the story ?
You get what you pay for.Sometimes you DO N'T get what you pay for , but you almost always pay for what you get .
I 'm paying a flat $ 50 per month for voice , text , voicemail , and internet , with no metering -- it 's a flat rate .
Anout the only place I ca n't get a signal is in the center of my work 's building , but then again radios and nobody else 's cell works there either.If I were half of a couple it would be $ 100 , still twenty bucks less than you 're paying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The moral of the story?
You get what you pay for.Sometimes you DON'T get what you pay for, but you almost always pay for what you get.
I'm paying a flat $50 per month for voice, text, voicemail, and internet, with no metering -- it's a flat rate.
Anout the only place I can't get a signal is in the center of my work's building, but then again radios and nobody else's cell works there either.If I were half of a couple it would be $100, still twenty bucks less than you're paying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30052036</id>
	<title>Re:Summary is dead wrong</title>
	<author>AUX4Ever</author>
	<datestamp>1257850020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We already have this, its called 'prepaid'.  Albeit you cannot get the same services for a decent rate under prepaid.  Example: 20/mo for a few megabits(bytes?) of mobile data on AT&amp;T's GoPhone product.</p><p><i>All of this would be fixed by a very simple law - anybody ought to be able to set a limit on their monthly bill. If I call up evilphoneco and tell them that my cell phone bill is capped at $90 per month, then I don't care WHAT services I consume - they can't charge me more than $90 per month. It is their job to keep me from using services I haven't paid for - not my job to avoid accidentally incurring them.</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We already have this , its called 'prepaid' .
Albeit you can not get the same services for a decent rate under prepaid .
Example : 20/mo for a few megabits ( bytes ?
) of mobile data on AT&amp;T 's GoPhone product.All of this would be fixed by a very simple law - anybody ought to be able to set a limit on their monthly bill .
If I call up evilphoneco and tell them that my cell phone bill is capped at $ 90 per month , then I do n't care WHAT services I consume - they ca n't charge me more than $ 90 per month .
It is their job to keep me from using services I have n't paid for - not my job to avoid accidentally incurring them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We already have this, its called 'prepaid'.
Albeit you cannot get the same services for a decent rate under prepaid.
Example: 20/mo for a few megabits(bytes?
) of mobile data on AT&amp;T's GoPhone product.All of this would be fixed by a very simple law - anybody ought to be able to set a limit on their monthly bill.
If I call up evilphoneco and tell them that my cell phone bill is capped at $90 per month, then I don't care WHAT services I consume - they can't charge me more than $90 per month.
It is their job to keep me from using services I haven't paid for - not my job to avoid accidentally incurring them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032402</id>
	<title>Like the old kids game...</title>
	<author>Maury Markowitz</author>
	<datestamp>1257780780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The good news: there are now two usable touch-screen smart phones on the market</p><p>The bad news: they still run on the same networks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The good news : there are now two usable touch-screen smart phones on the marketThe bad news : they still run on the same networks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The good news: there are now two usable touch-screen smart phones on the marketThe bad news: they still run on the same networks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30045312</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>jgs</author>
	<datestamp>1257867300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Guess it'll be the iPhone after all.</p><p>I really do want to be able to tether, because we occasionally travel and don't have WiFi access and I want to use the laptop.</p></div><p>Tethering is indeed very handy and if you're willing to go to the trouble of jailbreaking your iPhone it <a href="http://www.redmondpie.com/enable-tethering-on-iphone-3g-3gs-3.1.2-firmware-eqw846/" title="redmondpie.com">can still be done</a> [redmondpie.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Guess it 'll be the iPhone after all.I really do want to be able to tether , because we occasionally travel and do n't have WiFi access and I want to use the laptop.Tethering is indeed very handy and if you 're willing to go to the trouble of jailbreaking your iPhone it can still be done [ redmondpie.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guess it'll be the iPhone after all.I really do want to be able to tether, because we occasionally travel and don't have WiFi access and I want to use the laptop.Tethering is indeed very handy and if you're willing to go to the trouble of jailbreaking your iPhone it can still be done [redmondpie.com].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031786</id>
	<title>Why the sudden outrage?</title>
	<author>Jace Harker</author>
	<datestamp>1257777420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't new: these terms are exactly the same as Verizon's current plans for Blackberry service.  $30/month for the smartphone "data plan", plus an extra $30/month for tethering.  And yes, they've always called it "unlimited", but it's always been capped at 5GB.  I've been paying these rates for some time.  It's annoying, but it's been going on for ages.</p><p>It's amusing to me that people are only getting outraged about this now because Verizon is selling a popular new phone that everyone wants to buy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't new : these terms are exactly the same as Verizon 's current plans for Blackberry service .
$ 30/month for the smartphone " data plan " , plus an extra $ 30/month for tethering .
And yes , they 've always called it " unlimited " , but it 's always been capped at 5GB .
I 've been paying these rates for some time .
It 's annoying , but it 's been going on for ages.It 's amusing to me that people are only getting outraged about this now because Verizon is selling a popular new phone that everyone wants to buy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't new: these terms are exactly the same as Verizon's current plans for Blackberry service.
$30/month for the smartphone "data plan", plus an extra $30/month for tethering.
And yes, they've always called it "unlimited", but it's always been capped at 5GB.
I've been paying these rates for some time.
It's annoying, but it's been going on for ages.It's amusing to me that people are only getting outraged about this now because Verizon is selling a popular new phone that everyone wants to buy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031610</id>
	<title>Nickel and Diming?</title>
	<author>EmagGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1257776400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More like hacking and slashing at limbs...</p><p>This is precisely why I just have a basic cell phone that makes phone calls. I'm not going to spend $50-100/mo for the privilege of using my computer away from home. I am not so addicted to the Internet that I'm going to incur that expense. At most, it'll cost me a couple of bucks to call information and find out where the nearest public library is if I really have to get online that badly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More like hacking and slashing at limbs...This is precisely why I just have a basic cell phone that makes phone calls .
I 'm not going to spend $ 50-100/mo for the privilege of using my computer away from home .
I am not so addicted to the Internet that I 'm going to incur that expense .
At most , it 'll cost me a couple of bucks to call information and find out where the nearest public library is if I really have to get online that badly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More like hacking and slashing at limbs...This is precisely why I just have a basic cell phone that makes phone calls.
I'm not going to spend $50-100/mo for the privilege of using my computer away from home.
I am not so addicted to the Internet that I'm going to incur that expense.
At most, it'll cost me a couple of bucks to call information and find out where the nearest public library is if I really have to get online that badly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033214</id>
	<title>Re:PC World Has it out for the Droid</title>
	<author>twoDigitIq</author>
	<datestamp>1257783900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, is Apple paying PC World to publish incorrect information? Almost every article they've put out recently about the Droid phone is completely false.

I got a Droid on Friday, signed up for the $30 data plan, and I've already synced it with Exchange and used it for tethering.

I even started posting comments on PC World's site to try and correct some of their mistakes, but new articles keep popping up and It's not worth trying to keep up with their stupidity (or is it intentional misinformation?)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , is Apple paying PC World to publish incorrect information ?
Almost every article they 've put out recently about the Droid phone is completely false .
I got a Droid on Friday , signed up for the $ 30 data plan , and I 've already synced it with Exchange and used it for tethering .
I even started posting comments on PC World 's site to try and correct some of their mistakes , but new articles keep popping up and It 's not worth trying to keep up with their stupidity ( or is it intentional misinformation ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, is Apple paying PC World to publish incorrect information?
Almost every article they've put out recently about the Droid phone is completely false.
I got a Droid on Friday, signed up for the $30 data plan, and I've already synced it with Exchange and used it for tethering.
I even started posting comments on PC World's site to try and correct some of their mistakes, but new articles keep popping up and It's not worth trying to keep up with their stupidity (or is it intentional misinformation?
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031838</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031410</id>
	<title>It'd be nice if they stopped lying.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257775200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the plan is limited, it's not "unlimited", so please stop pretending. No, any cap is a cap is not no cap is not "unlimited". How many marketeers do you need to fire to stop believing otherwise, verizon?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the plan is limited , it 's not " unlimited " , so please stop pretending .
No , any cap is a cap is not no cap is not " unlimited " .
How many marketeers do you need to fire to stop believing otherwise , verizon ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the plan is limited, it's not "unlimited", so please stop pretending.
No, any cap is a cap is not no cap is not "unlimited".
How many marketeers do you need to fire to stop believing otherwise, verizon?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032996</id>
	<title>This is incorrect.</title>
	<author>galenoftheshadows</author>
	<datestamp>1257783000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't comment too much about the tethering, though I've already hacked it up to be a wireless access point.

But no, you do NOT need to pay an additional $15 for Exchange. Only corporate accounts ($45 per line) are charged extra for Exchange.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't comment too much about the tethering , though I 've already hacked it up to be a wireless access point .
But no , you do NOT need to pay an additional $ 15 for Exchange .
Only corporate accounts ( $ 45 per line ) are charged extra for Exchange .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't comment too much about the tethering, though I've already hacked it up to be a wireless access point.
But no, you do NOT need to pay an additional $15 for Exchange.
Only corporate accounts ($45 per line) are charged extra for Exchange.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032528</id>
	<title>Re:Suckers...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257781260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And do what, not use a mobile phone? Sometimes you're forced to choose between the lesser of two evils.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And do what , not use a mobile phone ?
Sometimes you 're forced to choose between the lesser of two evils .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And do what, not use a mobile phone?
Sometimes you're forced to choose between the lesser of two evils.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031552</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034672</id>
	<title>ATT / Sprint / Verizon .. they all have 5gb limits</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257789660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They may advertise differently but all of the carriers have a 5gb limit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They may advertise differently but all of the carriers have a 5gb limit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They may advertise differently but all of the carriers have a 5gb limit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032342</id>
	<title>Impressively bad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257780480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow. And I was complaining about the telecompanies in Sweden. We pay 10 dollars a month (or not even, thats what they charge me) for real unlimited 3G. No hidden fees, no caps, no sudden bandwidth caps after a certain amount of use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow .
And I was complaining about the telecompanies in Sweden .
We pay 10 dollars a month ( or not even , thats what they charge me ) for real unlimited 3G .
No hidden fees , no caps , no sudden bandwidth caps after a certain amount of use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow.
And I was complaining about the telecompanies in Sweden.
We pay 10 dollars a month (or not even, thats what they charge me) for real unlimited 3G.
No hidden fees, no caps, no sudden bandwidth caps after a certain amount of use.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033132</id>
	<title>Same old, same old.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257783540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the costs are exactly the same as I've been paying to tether with my almost 2 year old Blackberry Curve. There's nothing new here. Tethering with any Verizon Wireless smartphone is going to cost approx. $60.00 (US) per month. The charges are intended to add up to the same cost as you would pay for using one of their air cards... with the same 5 gb cap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the costs are exactly the same as I 've been paying to tether with my almost 2 year old Blackberry Curve .
There 's nothing new here .
Tethering with any Verizon Wireless smartphone is going to cost approx .
$ 60.00 ( US ) per month .
The charges are intended to add up to the same cost as you would pay for using one of their air cards... with the same 5 gb cap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the costs are exactly the same as I've been paying to tether with my almost 2 year old Blackberry Curve.
There's nothing new here.
Tethering with any Verizon Wireless smartphone is going to cost approx.
$60.00 (US) per month.
The charges are intended to add up to the same cost as you would pay for using one of their air cards... with the same 5 gb cap.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30039358</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257766020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/legal/plan-terms.jsp</p><p>PDA/BLACKBERRY PLANS</p><p>PDA/BlackBerry plans may ONLY be used with AT&amp;T-certified RIM BlackBerry devices, and PDAs for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). Data Services sold for use with AT&amp;T RIM BlackBerry devices, and PDAs may not be used with other devices, including but not limited to, Personal Computers, PC Data Cards and the like, either by tethering devices together, by SIM card transfer or any other means.</p><p>PDA/BLACKBERRY PLANS WITH TETHERING</p><p>PDA/BlackBerry plans with Tethering may ONLY be used with AT&amp;T-certified RIM BlackBerry devices and PDAs for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). PDA/BlackBerry plans with Tethering may be used to tether such PDA and BlackBerry devices to a Personal Computer. If you are on a data plan that does not include a monthly megabyte allowance and additional data usage rates, the parties agree that AT&amp;T has the right to impose additional charges if you use more than 5 GB in a month. Prior to the imposition of any additional charges, AT&amp;T shall provide you with notice and you shall have the right to terminate your service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/legal/plan-terms.jspPDA/BLACKBERRY PLANSPDA/BlackBerry plans may ONLY be used with AT&amp;T-certified RIM BlackBerry devices , and PDAs for the following purposes : ( i ) Internet browsing ; ( ii ) email ; and ( iii ) intranet access ( including access to corporate intranets , email , and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management , sales force , and field service automation ) .
Data Services sold for use with AT&amp;T RIM BlackBerry devices , and PDAs may not be used with other devices , including but not limited to , Personal Computers , PC Data Cards and the like , either by tethering devices together , by SIM card transfer or any other means.PDA/BLACKBERRY PLANS WITH TETHERINGPDA/BlackBerry plans with Tethering may ONLY be used with AT&amp;T-certified RIM BlackBerry devices and PDAs for the following purposes : ( i ) Internet browsing ; ( ii ) email ; and ( iii ) intranet access ( including access to corporate intranets , email , and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management , sales force , and field service automation ) .
PDA/BlackBerry plans with Tethering may be used to tether such PDA and BlackBerry devices to a Personal Computer .
If you are on a data plan that does not include a monthly megabyte allowance and additional data usage rates , the parties agree that AT&amp;T has the right to impose additional charges if you use more than 5 GB in a month .
Prior to the imposition of any additional charges , AT&amp;T shall provide you with notice and you shall have the right to terminate your service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/legal/plan-terms.jspPDA/BLACKBERRY PLANSPDA/BlackBerry plans may ONLY be used with AT&amp;T-certified RIM BlackBerry devices, and PDAs for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation).
Data Services sold for use with AT&amp;T RIM BlackBerry devices, and PDAs may not be used with other devices, including but not limited to, Personal Computers, PC Data Cards and the like, either by tethering devices together, by SIM card transfer or any other means.PDA/BLACKBERRY PLANS WITH TETHERINGPDA/BlackBerry plans with Tethering may ONLY be used with AT&amp;T-certified RIM BlackBerry devices and PDAs for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation).
PDA/BlackBerry plans with Tethering may be used to tether such PDA and BlackBerry devices to a Personal Computer.
If you are on a data plan that does not include a monthly megabyte allowance and additional data usage rates, the parties agree that AT&amp;T has the right to impose additional charges if you use more than 5 GB in a month.
Prior to the imposition of any additional charges, AT&amp;T shall provide you with notice and you shall have the right to terminate your service.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031518</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031736</id>
	<title>Nickel and Diming....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257777180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...usually doesn't add a reoccurring charge of $60/month.  I believe a more appropriate term would be Jackson and Granting (after President Andrew Jackson whose face appears on the $20 bill and President Ulysses S. Grant who is on the $50 bill).</htmltext>
<tokenext>...usually does n't add a reoccurring charge of $ 60/month .
I believe a more appropriate term would be Jackson and Granting ( after President Andrew Jackson whose face appears on the $ 20 bill and President Ulysses S. Grant who is on the $ 50 bill ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...usually doesn't add a reoccurring charge of $60/month.
I believe a more appropriate term would be Jackson and Granting (after President Andrew Jackson whose face appears on the $20 bill and President Ulysses S. Grant who is on the $50 bill).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031512</id>
	<title>How is this different than their other phones</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257775740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the same pricing scheme used for other smartphones under Verizon. This isn't news. $30/mo for data, $60/mo for tethering. Unless there is a special App on the Droid that is required for Exchange and Verizon charges $15/mo for that or you're using some hosting service for Verizon, there is no cost for Exchange. I certainly don't pay $15/mo for exchange access on my HTC phone from Verizon.</p><p>Also outside of the iPhone, AT&amp;T charges the same rates last I checked:<br>http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/pda-personal-plans.jsp<br>Actually they're $5/mo more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the same pricing scheme used for other smartphones under Verizon .
This is n't news .
$ 30/mo for data , $ 60/mo for tethering .
Unless there is a special App on the Droid that is required for Exchange and Verizon charges $ 15/mo for that or you 're using some hosting service for Verizon , there is no cost for Exchange .
I certainly do n't pay $ 15/mo for exchange access on my HTC phone from Verizon.Also outside of the iPhone , AT&amp;T charges the same rates last I checked : http : //www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/pda-personal-plans.jspActually they 're $ 5/mo more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the same pricing scheme used for other smartphones under Verizon.
This isn't news.
$30/mo for data, $60/mo for tethering.
Unless there is a special App on the Droid that is required for Exchange and Verizon charges $15/mo for that or you're using some hosting service for Verizon, there is no cost for Exchange.
I certainly don't pay $15/mo for exchange access on my HTC phone from Verizon.Also outside of the iPhone, AT&amp;T charges the same rates last I checked:http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/pda-personal-plans.jspActually they're $5/mo more.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031812</id>
	<title>FUD on exchange</title>
	<author>fadethepolice</author>
	<datestamp>1257777600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The additional $15 is only for corporate accounts which apple also charges.  You can use your personal account to access your work e-mail without the additional charge.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The additional $ 15 is only for corporate accounts which apple also charges .
You can use your personal account to access your work e-mail without the additional charge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The additional $15 is only for corporate accounts which apple also charges.
You can use your personal account to access your work e-mail without the additional charge.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30050222</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon = US, right?</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1257885660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CDMA locking isn't like GSM locking.. there's no real lock. And Motorola seems to be offering the DROID on their web site, at full price.</p><p>The problem with moving to another carrier (well, other than the fact that other carrier is Sprint... or maybe Cricket now, too, if you're in a few cities) is that the phones have their ID codes built-in, not portable as with SIM cards. So while I could buy that DROID at Motorola, Sprint will say "oh, hey, that's a Verizon ID you have there, I'm not going to allow that phone on my network". So, while it's effectively a lock, it's server-side, not client-side. So you can't work around it as you can with unlocking on GSM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CDMA locking is n't like GSM locking.. there 's no real lock .
And Motorola seems to be offering the DROID on their web site , at full price.The problem with moving to another carrier ( well , other than the fact that other carrier is Sprint... or maybe Cricket now , too , if you 're in a few cities ) is that the phones have their ID codes built-in , not portable as with SIM cards .
So while I could buy that DROID at Motorola , Sprint will say " oh , hey , that 's a Verizon ID you have there , I 'm not going to allow that phone on my network " .
So , while it 's effectively a lock , it 's server-side , not client-side .
So you ca n't work around it as you can with unlocking on GSM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CDMA locking isn't like GSM locking.. there's no real lock.
And Motorola seems to be offering the DROID on their web site, at full price.The problem with moving to another carrier (well, other than the fact that other carrier is Sprint... or maybe Cricket now, too, if you're in a few cities) is that the phones have their ID codes built-in, not portable as with SIM cards.
So while I could buy that DROID at Motorola, Sprint will say "oh, hey, that's a Verizon ID you have there, I'm not going to allow that phone on my network".
So, while it's effectively a lock, it's server-side, not client-side.
So you can't work around it as you can with unlocking on GSM.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033580</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031536</id>
	<title>Releasing phones before fully tested? No kidding..</title>
	<author>rrossman2</author>
	<datestamp>1257775920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>'That service is on our schedule for next year,' says Verizon spokeswoman Brenda Raney. The delay is because 'the service has to be tested on the phone so until we know it works, we don't offer the service. It is not uncommon for us to introduce the phone and continue to test the service and offer it later.'"<br> <br>
Yeah, just like they did with the Blackberry Storm. When my friend and I first got that phone about a year ago, it was the biggest pain in the behind phone I think I've ever used. A lot of the people I know who have the Storm also had the same feelings towards it. Slow, froze up all the time, things would "stick" on the screen, the touch screen keyboard absolutely blew, sometimes when you went into the camera you'd see what the camera sees on the screen but the touch screen function bar at the bottom of the screen to take the pic etc wouldn't be there, etc.<br> <br>
Most of this has *FINALLY* been fixed in the Blackberry OS 5.0, but with ALL the issues (phone automagically erasing my microSD card which really pissed me off) I will never get a phone until the kinks have been worked out. It's not worth paying the "first adopter" price just to find its full of bugs (think the iPhones).<br> <br>
Also, that extra money for the tethering is crazy. I never got why in the hell they charged in the first place! (besides the whole "because they can")</htmltext>
<tokenext>'That service is on our schedule for next year, ' says Verizon spokeswoman Brenda Raney .
The delay is because 'the service has to be tested on the phone so until we know it works , we do n't offer the service .
It is not uncommon for us to introduce the phone and continue to test the service and offer it later .
' " Yeah , just like they did with the Blackberry Storm .
When my friend and I first got that phone about a year ago , it was the biggest pain in the behind phone I think I 've ever used .
A lot of the people I know who have the Storm also had the same feelings towards it .
Slow , froze up all the time , things would " stick " on the screen , the touch screen keyboard absolutely blew , sometimes when you went into the camera you 'd see what the camera sees on the screen but the touch screen function bar at the bottom of the screen to take the pic etc would n't be there , etc .
Most of this has * FINALLY * been fixed in the Blackberry OS 5.0 , but with ALL the issues ( phone automagically erasing my microSD card which really pissed me off ) I will never get a phone until the kinks have been worked out .
It 's not worth paying the " first adopter " price just to find its full of bugs ( think the iPhones ) .
Also , that extra money for the tethering is crazy .
I never got why in the hell they charged in the first place !
( besides the whole " because they can " )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'That service is on our schedule for next year,' says Verizon spokeswoman Brenda Raney.
The delay is because 'the service has to be tested on the phone so until we know it works, we don't offer the service.
It is not uncommon for us to introduce the phone and continue to test the service and offer it later.
'" 
Yeah, just like they did with the Blackberry Storm.
When my friend and I first got that phone about a year ago, it was the biggest pain in the behind phone I think I've ever used.
A lot of the people I know who have the Storm also had the same feelings towards it.
Slow, froze up all the time, things would "stick" on the screen, the touch screen keyboard absolutely blew, sometimes when you went into the camera you'd see what the camera sees on the screen but the touch screen function bar at the bottom of the screen to take the pic etc wouldn't be there, etc.
Most of this has *FINALLY* been fixed in the Blackberry OS 5.0, but with ALL the issues (phone automagically erasing my microSD card which really pissed me off) I will never get a phone until the kinks have been worked out.
It's not worth paying the "first adopter" price just to find its full of bugs (think the iPhones).
Also, that extra money for the tethering is crazy.
I never got why in the hell they charged in the first place!
(besides the whole "because they can")</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035394</id>
	<title>Re:Lowering the bar for AT&amp;T</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257792540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They will still need to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/massively/ upgrade their network. I don't know a single AA&amp;T wireless data user who isn't nearly ready to ditch the service because of low throughput. I have both an iPhone and a laptop card and both border on totally unusable for several hours of every day. At $160/month for one person, cap or no cap, the service sucks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They will still need to /massively/ upgrade their network .
I do n't know a single AA&amp;T wireless data user who is n't nearly ready to ditch the service because of low throughput .
I have both an iPhone and a laptop card and both border on totally unusable for several hours of every day .
At $ 160/month for one person , cap or no cap , the service sucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They will still need to /massively/ upgrade their network.
I don't know a single AA&amp;T wireless data user who isn't nearly ready to ditch the service because of low throughput.
I have both an iPhone and a laptop card and both border on totally unusable for several hours of every day.
At $160/month for one person, cap or no cap, the service sucks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031504</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031836</id>
	<title>Treating it like an iphone...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257777780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is Verizon trying to use the publicity and 'celebrity' status of the Droid (ironically as an 'iPhone Killer') in the same way as AT&amp;T abuses the iPhone by dropping value and hoping people will still buy it for what it is!</p><p>AT&amp;T does it by selling crap service at standard price - Verizon has decent service, so is going for extortionate prices instead!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is Verizon trying to use the publicity and 'celebrity ' status of the Droid ( ironically as an 'iPhone Killer ' ) in the same way as AT&amp;T abuses the iPhone by dropping value and hoping people will still buy it for what it is ! AT&amp;T does it by selling crap service at standard price - Verizon has decent service , so is going for extortionate prices instead !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is Verizon trying to use the publicity and 'celebrity' status of the Droid (ironically as an 'iPhone Killer') in the same way as AT&amp;T abuses the iPhone by dropping value and hoping people will still buy it for what it is!AT&amp;T does it by selling crap service at standard price - Verizon has decent service, so is going for extortionate prices instead!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031822</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>bigstrat2003</author>
	<datestamp>1257777660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I should have expected that Verizon would come up with an 'unlimited' but capped at 5 GB plan. Guess it'll be the iPhone after all.</p></div><p>So you don't want to get the Droid, because Verizon is evil and calls their plan unlimited when it's really 5 GB/month. Fair enough. Then, you decide to turn to the iPhone, where Apple pulls apps because they dare to compete with AT&amp;T? I hate to be the one to tell you, but you're trading one evil master for another, not getting a better situation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I should have expected that Verizon would come up with an 'unlimited ' but capped at 5 GB plan .
Guess it 'll be the iPhone after all.So you do n't want to get the Droid , because Verizon is evil and calls their plan unlimited when it 's really 5 GB/month .
Fair enough .
Then , you decide to turn to the iPhone , where Apple pulls apps because they dare to compete with AT&amp;T ?
I hate to be the one to tell you , but you 're trading one evil master for another , not getting a better situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I should have expected that Verizon would come up with an 'unlimited' but capped at 5 GB plan.
Guess it'll be the iPhone after all.So you don't want to get the Droid, because Verizon is evil and calls their plan unlimited when it's really 5 GB/month.
Fair enough.
Then, you decide to turn to the iPhone, where Apple pulls apps because they dare to compete with AT&amp;T?
I hate to be the one to tell you, but you're trading one evil master for another, not getting a better situation.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031518</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30041900</id>
	<title>$50 gb or $0.50 per GB?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257783660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$50 gb or $0.50 per GB?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 50 gb or $ 0.50 per GB ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$50 gb or $0.50 per GB?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032378</id>
	<title>"Subsidized" phones</title>
	<author>grimJester</author>
	<datestamp>1257780600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Part of the problem in moving to unlocked phones is that US customers are used to seeing low up front costs, believing these are the actual prices of the phones. The Droid costs $600, but Verizon sells it for a third of the price, choosing to spread out the missing $400 over 24 months. Since that's only $17 per month, it's easy to slip into other charges that may or may not be mandatory as long as the average customer pays enough.<br> <br>This works as long as the large providers don't compete in pricing of plans for unlocked smartphones. Without specific regulation, they have no interest in doing so, making an unlocked smartphone look too expensive for the average Joe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Part of the problem in moving to unlocked phones is that US customers are used to seeing low up front costs , believing these are the actual prices of the phones .
The Droid costs $ 600 , but Verizon sells it for a third of the price , choosing to spread out the missing $ 400 over 24 months .
Since that 's only $ 17 per month , it 's easy to slip into other charges that may or may not be mandatory as long as the average customer pays enough .
This works as long as the large providers do n't compete in pricing of plans for unlocked smartphones .
Without specific regulation , they have no interest in doing so , making an unlocked smartphone look too expensive for the average Joe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Part of the problem in moving to unlocked phones is that US customers are used to seeing low up front costs, believing these are the actual prices of the phones.
The Droid costs $600, but Verizon sells it for a third of the price, choosing to spread out the missing $400 over 24 months.
Since that's only $17 per month, it's easy to slip into other charges that may or may not be mandatory as long as the average customer pays enough.
This works as long as the large providers don't compete in pricing of plans for unlocked smartphones.
Without specific regulation, they have no interest in doing so, making an unlocked smartphone look too expensive for the average Joe.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031462</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032752</id>
	<title>Fashion from here,nike jordan shoes,coach,gucci,</title>
	<author>huangzhixian1204</author>
	<datestamp>1257782040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>In order to meet the Thanksgiving holiday, this site hereby release Thanksgiving gift, that is, gift, our web site is <a href="http://www.coolforsale.com/" title="coolforsale.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.coolforsale.com/</a> [coolforsale.com] [coolforsale.com] Nike Air Jordan(1-25)/Jordan Six Ring/Jordan Fusion/Nike Shox/Air Max/AF1/Dunk shoes, coach,gucci,lv,dg,ed hardy handbags, Polo/Ed Hardy/Lacoste/Ca/A&amp;F<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,T-shirt welcome new and old customers come to order.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In order to meet the Thanksgiving holiday , this site hereby release Thanksgiving gift , that is , gift , our web site is http : //www.coolforsale.com/ [ coolforsale.com ] [ coolforsale.com ] Nike Air Jordan ( 1-25 ) /Jordan Six Ring/Jordan Fusion/Nike Shox/Air Max/AF1/Dunk shoes , coach,gucci,lv,dg,ed hardy handbags , Polo/Ed Hardy/Lacoste/Ca/A&amp;F ,T-shirt welcome new and old customers come to order .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In order to meet the Thanksgiving holiday, this site hereby release Thanksgiving gift, that is, gift, our web site is http://www.coolforsale.com/ [coolforsale.com] [coolforsale.com] Nike Air Jordan(1-25)/Jordan Six Ring/Jordan Fusion/Nike Shox/Air Max/AF1/Dunk shoes, coach,gucci,lv,dg,ed hardy handbags, Polo/Ed Hardy/Lacoste/Ca/A&amp;F ,T-shirt welcome new and old customers come to order.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30042998</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon = US, right?</title>
	<author>Some Bitch</author>
	<datestamp>1257883980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The hardware is designed to work with 3g networks on specific wireless bands, and I don't think every carrier runs the same stuff.  Your networks are most definitely more standardized and free than ours are, but it's still a problem.</p></div><p>Although there are multiple bands in use all European phone models work on all of them.  Our network operators are still a bunch of second rate robbing gits but the phones are all completely portable and you can use your SIM in any phone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The hardware is designed to work with 3g networks on specific wireless bands , and I do n't think every carrier runs the same stuff .
Your networks are most definitely more standardized and free than ours are , but it 's still a problem.Although there are multiple bands in use all European phone models work on all of them .
Our network operators are still a bunch of second rate robbing gits but the phones are all completely portable and you can use your SIM in any phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The hardware is designed to work with 3g networks on specific wireless bands, and I don't think every carrier runs the same stuff.
Your networks are most definitely more standardized and free than ours are, but it's still a problem.Although there are multiple bands in use all European phone models work on all of them.
Our network operators are still a bunch of second rate robbing gits but the phones are all completely portable and you can use your SIM in any phone.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031982</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033322</id>
	<title>Re:Say what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257784320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like both companies will be charging the same amount. They seem to do this a lot.</p><p>http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/popup/dataconnect-comp-table.jsp</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like both companies will be charging the same amount .
They seem to do this a lot.http : //www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/popup/dataconnect-comp-table.jsp</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like both companies will be charging the same amount.
They seem to do this a lot.http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/popup/dataconnect-comp-table.jsp</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031546</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30047126</id>
	<title>Re:Inaccurate Exchange Pricing</title>
	<author>JourneymanMereel</author>
	<datestamp>1257874860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>This is true with all of their smartphones and is similar in pricing to what ATT &amp; Sprint charge.</p></div></blockquote><p>I can't say anything about Verizon's smartphones or AT&amp;T, but I can say that the statement is not true about Sprint. I have a Palm Pre and get no extra charge to sync with my work email over Sprint's network.</p><p>Now, when I had a BlackBerry I had to pay an extra $20/mo for the BES buy-up, but that's another story.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is true with all of their smartphones and is similar in pricing to what ATT &amp; Sprint charge.I ca n't say anything about Verizon 's smartphones or AT&amp;T , but I can say that the statement is not true about Sprint .
I have a Palm Pre and get no extra charge to sync with my work email over Sprint 's network.Now , when I had a BlackBerry I had to pay an extra $ 20/mo for the BES buy-up , but that 's another story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is true with all of their smartphones and is similar in pricing to what ATT &amp; Sprint charge.I can't say anything about Verizon's smartphones or AT&amp;T, but I can say that the statement is not true about Sprint.
I have a Palm Pre and get no extra charge to sync with my work email over Sprint's network.Now, when I had a BlackBerry I had to pay an extra $20/mo for the BES buy-up, but that's another story.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031626</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035888</id>
	<title>Re:PC World Has it out for the Droid</title>
	<author>Kamots</author>
	<datestamp>1257794400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As of last thursday when I was looking at thier plans in preperation for the droid launch, the 5GB limit was definately there.  Looking today it seems to have been removed.  Now I'm just seeing some conditions that if you use more than 5 gigs a month they can use that as grounds for cancelling your contract (or at least that's all I found with 2-3 minutes of digging)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As of last thursday when I was looking at thier plans in preperation for the droid launch , the 5GB limit was definately there .
Looking today it seems to have been removed .
Now I 'm just seeing some conditions that if you use more than 5 gigs a month they can use that as grounds for cancelling your contract ( or at least that 's all I found with 2-3 minutes of digging )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As of last thursday when I was looking at thier plans in preperation for the droid launch, the 5GB limit was definately there.
Looking today it seems to have been removed.
Now I'm just seeing some conditions that if you use more than 5 gigs a month they can use that as grounds for cancelling your contract (or at least that's all I found with 2-3 minutes of digging)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031838</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031938</id>
	<title>Gb or GB</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257778440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It still surprises me that people still cannot tell the difference between Gb (Gigabit) and GB (Gigabyte)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It still surprises me that people still can not tell the difference between Gb ( Gigabit ) and GB ( Gigabyte )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It still surprises me that people still cannot tell the difference between Gb (Gigabit) and GB (Gigabyte)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032614</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon = US, right?</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1257781560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, in Germany it's fairly common for mobile phones to be at least dual-band if not tri-band. My current phone is one my dad got via his T-Mobile contract, including obnoxious branding and all. It's also not SIM-locked (I know no non-Apple phone that is), which I use to my advanage, having switched from T-Mobile to E-Plus's low-cost brand.<br>
<br>
The kicker? T-Mobile uses the D2 band and E-Plus uses the E band. My phone doesn't care; it's tri-band, IIRC.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , in Germany it 's fairly common for mobile phones to be at least dual-band if not tri-band .
My current phone is one my dad got via his T-Mobile contract , including obnoxious branding and all .
It 's also not SIM-locked ( I know no non-Apple phone that is ) , which I use to my advanage , having switched from T-Mobile to E-Plus 's low-cost brand .
The kicker ?
T-Mobile uses the D2 band and E-Plus uses the E band .
My phone does n't care ; it 's tri-band , IIRC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, in Germany it's fairly common for mobile phones to be at least dual-band if not tri-band.
My current phone is one my dad got via his T-Mobile contract, including obnoxious branding and all.
It's also not SIM-locked (I know no non-Apple phone that is), which I use to my advanage, having switched from T-Mobile to E-Plus's low-cost brand.
The kicker?
T-Mobile uses the D2 band and E-Plus uses the E band.
My phone doesn't care; it's tri-band, IIRC.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031982</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30039110</id>
	<title>Re:Why the sudden outrage?</title>
	<author>liquidsin</author>
	<datestamp>1257765000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the internet strikes again. more connected people tend to be a little better informed. we've all read the reviews and specs on this phone, and many people want them. and then you find out that your provider has crippled features x1..xn because they've found a way to make money off of it. bell canada locks you out of using whatever mp3 you want as a ringtone "to help prevent piracy". even though you can load whatever mp3s you want on to the phone and listen to them through headphones or the built-in speaker. oh yeah, then they sell you ringtones. this is only one example, and i know everyone here can point out similar stupidities.</p><p>so now verizon wants you to want their new shiny, but they were kinda hoping you only knew about it from their commercials. because if you've heard about all the great things it can do, and then you find out that it can only do some of those things, and then only if you go up two or three billing tiers, well that makes them look kinda like pricks, now doesn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the internet strikes again .
more connected people tend to be a little better informed .
we 've all read the reviews and specs on this phone , and many people want them .
and then you find out that your provider has crippled features x1..xn because they 've found a way to make money off of it .
bell canada locks you out of using whatever mp3 you want as a ringtone " to help prevent piracy " .
even though you can load whatever mp3s you want on to the phone and listen to them through headphones or the built-in speaker .
oh yeah , then they sell you ringtones .
this is only one example , and i know everyone here can point out similar stupidities.so now verizon wants you to want their new shiny , but they were kinda hoping you only knew about it from their commercials .
because if you 've heard about all the great things it can do , and then you find out that it can only do some of those things , and then only if you go up two or three billing tiers , well that makes them look kinda like pricks , now does n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the internet strikes again.
more connected people tend to be a little better informed.
we've all read the reviews and specs on this phone, and many people want them.
and then you find out that your provider has crippled features x1..xn because they've found a way to make money off of it.
bell canada locks you out of using whatever mp3 you want as a ringtone "to help prevent piracy".
even though you can load whatever mp3s you want on to the phone and listen to them through headphones or the built-in speaker.
oh yeah, then they sell you ringtones.
this is only one example, and i know everyone here can point out similar stupidities.so now verizon wants you to want their new shiny, but they were kinda hoping you only knew about it from their commercials.
because if you've heard about all the great things it can do, and then you find out that it can only do some of those things, and then only if you go up two or three billing tiers, well that makes them look kinda like pricks, now doesn't it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031786</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035862</id>
	<title>Re:It'd be nice if they stopped lying.</title>
	<author>jeffmeden</author>
	<datestamp>1257794220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would be nice, but it wouldn't be sensational enough to make it onto Slashdot.  Funny thing is, Verizon's web site mentions nothing about an "unlimited 5gb tethering plan" but anyone who bothers to look WILL find a very clearly explained tethering plan for existing smartphones that grants you 5GB/mo for $30, without even once using the word "unlimited".</p><p>The smartphone data plans (for data used by the phone) are classified as "unlimited" and are just that, there is no per-MB fee associated with it unless you use an egregious amount of data, which happens to be established at 5GB/mo.  What would you honestly do with 5 GB/mo on a smartphone?  I have tried to abuse mine, with streaming audio (Slacker radio) and video (VuiVision), downloading as many podcasts as I am even remotely interested in, using Google Maps in satellite mode on every car trip I take, and still can't average over 100mb a day for a month.  To best the 5GB limit, you would need to average 170MB/day.</p><p>Is the term 'unlimited' misused in this case?  Maybe, if you can find some use for your smartphone that involves over 170MB/day of data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be nice , but it would n't be sensational enough to make it onto Slashdot .
Funny thing is , Verizon 's web site mentions nothing about an " unlimited 5gb tethering plan " but anyone who bothers to look WILL find a very clearly explained tethering plan for existing smartphones that grants you 5GB/mo for $ 30 , without even once using the word " unlimited " .The smartphone data plans ( for data used by the phone ) are classified as " unlimited " and are just that , there is no per-MB fee associated with it unless you use an egregious amount of data , which happens to be established at 5GB/mo .
What would you honestly do with 5 GB/mo on a smartphone ?
I have tried to abuse mine , with streaming audio ( Slacker radio ) and video ( VuiVision ) , downloading as many podcasts as I am even remotely interested in , using Google Maps in satellite mode on every car trip I take , and still ca n't average over 100mb a day for a month .
To best the 5GB limit , you would need to average 170MB/day.Is the term 'unlimited ' misused in this case ?
Maybe , if you can find some use for your smartphone that involves over 170MB/day of data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be nice, but it wouldn't be sensational enough to make it onto Slashdot.
Funny thing is, Verizon's web site mentions nothing about an "unlimited 5gb tethering plan" but anyone who bothers to look WILL find a very clearly explained tethering plan for existing smartphones that grants you 5GB/mo for $30, without even once using the word "unlimited".The smartphone data plans (for data used by the phone) are classified as "unlimited" and are just that, there is no per-MB fee associated with it unless you use an egregious amount of data, which happens to be established at 5GB/mo.
What would you honestly do with 5 GB/mo on a smartphone?
I have tried to abuse mine, with streaming audio (Slacker radio) and video (VuiVision), downloading as many podcasts as I am even remotely interested in, using Google Maps in satellite mode on every car trip I take, and still can't average over 100mb a day for a month.
To best the 5GB limit, you would need to average 170MB/day.Is the term 'unlimited' misused in this case?
Maybe, if you can find some use for your smartphone that involves over 170MB/day of data.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031410</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30035646</id>
	<title>Re:Lowering the bar for AT&amp;T</title>
	<author>farble1670</author>
	<datestamp>1257793500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <em>This simplifies things a lot for AT&amp;T (who still hasn't introduced tethering for the iPhone): All they have to do to get back on the high horse is come up with a better pricing plan than Verizon's and have the service available in the next couple of months. Even AT&amp;T can potentially pull that off.</em> </p><p>yes, all they have to do is allow the masses to add additional bandwidth hungry devices to their already overtaxed 3g network. great idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This simplifies things a lot for AT&amp;T ( who still has n't introduced tethering for the iPhone ) : All they have to do to get back on the high horse is come up with a better pricing plan than Verizon 's and have the service available in the next couple of months .
Even AT&amp;T can potentially pull that off .
yes , all they have to do is allow the masses to add additional bandwidth hungry devices to their already overtaxed 3g network .
great idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> This simplifies things a lot for AT&amp;T (who still hasn't introduced tethering for the iPhone): All they have to do to get back on the high horse is come up with a better pricing plan than Verizon's and have the service available in the next couple of months.
Even AT&amp;T can potentially pull that off.
yes, all they have to do is allow the masses to add additional bandwidth hungry devices to their already overtaxed 3g network.
great idea.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031504</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30034472</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257788820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you actually read the GP's post, it's quite apparent that he's aware of the situation and has decided that if he's going to get screwed either way then he'd rather have the iPhone. Your post is completely redundant to him, though I'm sure criticizing Apple and AT&amp;T makes you and other slashdotters feel better.</p><p>Notice that while historically most iPhone articles have had a large contingent of "But it doesn't reaaaaaally cost $199, it's costs (insert large figure here) because you have to sign a contract" redundant idiot replies - as if none of us understand what it means to sign a cell phone contract - there's so far only one such idiot in this thread saying that about the Droid, despite it being the actual subject of the article. Slashdot bias -- you gotta' catch it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you actually read the GP 's post , it 's quite apparent that he 's aware of the situation and has decided that if he 's going to get screwed either way then he 'd rather have the iPhone .
Your post is completely redundant to him , though I 'm sure criticizing Apple and AT&amp;T makes you and other slashdotters feel better.Notice that while historically most iPhone articles have had a large contingent of " But it does n't reaaaaaally cost $ 199 , it 's costs ( insert large figure here ) because you have to sign a contract " redundant idiot replies - as if none of us understand what it means to sign a cell phone contract - there 's so far only one such idiot in this thread saying that about the Droid , despite it being the actual subject of the article .
Slashdot bias -- you got ta ' catch it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you actually read the GP's post, it's quite apparent that he's aware of the situation and has decided that if he's going to get screwed either way then he'd rather have the iPhone.
Your post is completely redundant to him, though I'm sure criticizing Apple and AT&amp;T makes you and other slashdotters feel better.Notice that while historically most iPhone articles have had a large contingent of "But it doesn't reaaaaaally cost $199, it's costs (insert large figure here) because you have to sign a contract" redundant idiot replies - as if none of us understand what it means to sign a cell phone contract - there's so far only one such idiot in this thread saying that about the Droid, despite it being the actual subject of the article.
Slashdot bias -- you gotta' catch it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031464</id>
	<title>So...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257775500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These aren't the Droids I'm looking for</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These are n't the Droids I 'm looking for</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These aren't the Droids I'm looking for</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30032200</id>
	<title>Re:Free market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257779760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure how Verizon does it but they do.  I tried to tether with my 8300 BB and the very last step when I attempt to connect brings up a prompt on the BB stating "This action not Authorized on your account" along with a Verizon CS phone number to call with questions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure how Verizon does it but they do .
I tried to tether with my 8300 BB and the very last step when I attempt to connect brings up a prompt on the BB stating " This action not Authorized on your account " along with a Verizon CS phone number to call with questions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure how Verizon does it but they do.
I tried to tether with my 8300 BB and the very last step when I attempt to connect brings up a prompt on the BB stating "This action not Authorized on your account" along with a Verizon CS phone number to call with questions.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031800</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031686</id>
	<title>PCW Article getting debunked in the comments</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257776940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*I* have not yet looked at all the contract and associate fun stuff, but on the PCW article itself there's a lot of debunking already going on in the comments section about the fees.  I realize Verizon is more expensive overall, but it looks like they should have fact-checked a little strictly based on the comments so far.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* I * have not yet looked at all the contract and associate fun stuff , but on the PCW article itself there 's a lot of debunking already going on in the comments section about the fees .
I realize Verizon is more expensive overall , but it looks like they should have fact-checked a little strictly based on the comments so far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*I* have not yet looked at all the contract and associate fun stuff, but on the PCW article itself there's a lot of debunking already going on in the comments section about the fees.
I realize Verizon is more expensive overall, but it looks like they should have fact-checked a little strictly based on the comments so far.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031708</id>
	<title>or...</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1257777000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or you can just use any unlocked Symbian phone on a GSM carrier and tether it to your heart's content.  And in most places other than the US, that's exactly what you're supposed to do.  You know, $30/month 5Gbyte data plans and all that.</p><p>Mind you, Symbian sucks as a phone OS compared to Android, but Android really needs to get Symbian-like tethering.  And Verizon's data plans are laughably expensive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you can just use any unlocked Symbian phone on a GSM carrier and tether it to your heart 's content .
And in most places other than the US , that 's exactly what you 're supposed to do .
You know , $ 30/month 5Gbyte data plans and all that.Mind you , Symbian sucks as a phone OS compared to Android , but Android really needs to get Symbian-like tethering .
And Verizon 's data plans are laughably expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you can just use any unlocked Symbian phone on a GSM carrier and tether it to your heart's content.
And in most places other than the US, that's exactly what you're supposed to do.
You know, $30/month 5Gbyte data plans and all that.Mind you, Symbian sucks as a phone OS compared to Android, but Android really needs to get Symbian-like tethering.
And Verizon's data plans are laughably expensive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30033580</id>
	<title>Re:Verizon = US, right?</title>
	<author>nvrrobx</author>
	<datestamp>1257785280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here in the US, the Droid is a CDMA/EVDO variant, which means it is only capable of operating on two carriers - Verizon Wireless and Sprint.  Verizon can basically charge whatever fees they want, as they do have the largest 3G network in the US.  Verizon works in remote areas better than any other carrier.  Verizon also has the Droid device locked to their network.</p><p>It is possible to buy an unlocked Motorola Milestone and use it in the US, but that would only gain you 3G access on AT&amp;T Wireless and not T-Mobile.  T-Mobile uses a different 3G band than the rest of the known GSM world.</p><p>Remember, we don't have to protect consumers or competition in the US, only our large corporations bank accounts.  I do wish we had Europe's model though.  I noticed how great it was when I was in London for a few weeks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in the US , the Droid is a CDMA/EVDO variant , which means it is only capable of operating on two carriers - Verizon Wireless and Sprint .
Verizon can basically charge whatever fees they want , as they do have the largest 3G network in the US .
Verizon works in remote areas better than any other carrier .
Verizon also has the Droid device locked to their network.It is possible to buy an unlocked Motorola Milestone and use it in the US , but that would only gain you 3G access on AT&amp;T Wireless and not T-Mobile .
T-Mobile uses a different 3G band than the rest of the known GSM world.Remember , we do n't have to protect consumers or competition in the US , only our large corporations bank accounts .
I do wish we had Europe 's model though .
I noticed how great it was when I was in London for a few weeks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in the US, the Droid is a CDMA/EVDO variant, which means it is only capable of operating on two carriers - Verizon Wireless and Sprint.
Verizon can basically charge whatever fees they want, as they do have the largest 3G network in the US.
Verizon works in remote areas better than any other carrier.
Verizon also has the Droid device locked to their network.It is possible to buy an unlocked Motorola Milestone and use it in the US, but that would only gain you 3G access on AT&amp;T Wireless and not T-Mobile.
T-Mobile uses a different 3G band than the rest of the known GSM world.Remember, we don't have to protect consumers or competition in the US, only our large corporations bank accounts.
I do wish we had Europe's model though.
I noticed how great it was when I was in London for a few weeks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_09_068255.30031498</id>
	<title>What else did you expect?</title>
	<author>140Mandak262Jamuna</author>
	<datestamp>1257775740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Verizon is born of an unholy alliance of old baby bells. Bell-Atlantic and a few others. All the management and culture of that company dates back to the days when they were the monopoly, and they still are as far as wired access to homes are concerned. They are the kind of company that will bribe the lawmakers to outlaw municipal wi-fi networks even in small towns that they will never ever offer broadband other than some flaky version of DSL with 728Kbps service. Way back when that socialist Indira Gandhi ruled India, the Indian Posts and Telegraph department run phone service used to have this kind of customer service and billing procedures.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Verizon is born of an unholy alliance of old baby bells .
Bell-Atlantic and a few others .
All the management and culture of that company dates back to the days when they were the monopoly , and they still are as far as wired access to homes are concerned .
They are the kind of company that will bribe the lawmakers to outlaw municipal wi-fi networks even in small towns that they will never ever offer broadband other than some flaky version of DSL with 728Kbps service .
Way back when that socialist Indira Gandhi ruled India , the Indian Posts and Telegraph department run phone service used to have this kind of customer service and billing procedures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Verizon is born of an unholy alliance of old baby bells.
Bell-Atlantic and a few others.
All the management and culture of that company dates back to the days when they were the monopoly, and they still are as far as wired access to homes are concerned.
They are the kind of company that will bribe the lawmakers to outlaw municipal wi-fi networks even in small towns that they will never ever offer broadband other than some flaky version of DSL with 728Kbps service.
Way back when that socialist Indira Gandhi ruled India, the Indian Posts and Telegraph department run phone service used to have this kind of customer service and billing procedures.</sentencetext>
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