<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_08_2135245</id>
	<title>Malware Can Download Child Porn To Your Computer</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1257673620000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>2muchcoffeeman writes <i>"The Associated Press tells the story of Michael Fiola, a former Massachusetts government employee who was arrested in 2007 after child porn was found on his state-issued laptop computer. He was eventually cleared of all charges after some digging by the defense found that the laptop was infected with malware that was '<a href="http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091108/ap\_on\_hi\_te/us\_tec\_a\_virus\_framed\_me">programmed to visit as many as 40 child porn sites per minute</a> &mdash; an inhuman feat. While Fiola and his wife were out to dinner one night, someone logged on to the computer and porn flowed in for an hour and a half. Prosecutors performed another test and confirmed the defense findings. The charge was dropped &mdash; 11 months after it was filed.' The article also discusses the technical aspects of how it could happen and about similar cases in the United Kingdom in 2003."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>2muchcoffeeman writes " The Associated Press tells the story of Michael Fiola , a former Massachusetts government employee who was arrested in 2007 after child porn was found on his state-issued laptop computer .
He was eventually cleared of all charges after some digging by the defense found that the laptop was infected with malware that was 'programmed to visit as many as 40 child porn sites per minute    an inhuman feat .
While Fiola and his wife were out to dinner one night , someone logged on to the computer and porn flowed in for an hour and a half .
Prosecutors performed another test and confirmed the defense findings .
The charge was dropped    11 months after it was filed .
' The article also discusses the technical aspects of how it could happen and about similar cases in the United Kingdom in 2003 .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2muchcoffeeman writes "The Associated Press tells the story of Michael Fiola, a former Massachusetts government employee who was arrested in 2007 after child porn was found on his state-issued laptop computer.
He was eventually cleared of all charges after some digging by the defense found that the laptop was infected with malware that was 'programmed to visit as many as 40 child porn sites per minute — an inhuman feat.
While Fiola and his wife were out to dinner one night, someone logged on to the computer and porn flowed in for an hour and a half.
Prosecutors performed another test and confirmed the defense findings.
The charge was dropped — 11 months after it was filed.
' The article also discusses the technical aspects of how it could happen and about similar cases in the United Kingdom in 2003.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025548</id>
	<title>Guess that lets my cat off the hook</title>
	<author>gmagill</author>
	<datestamp>1257677940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Guess that lets my cat of the hook...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Guess that lets my cat of the hook.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guess that lets my cat of the hook...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026732</id>
	<title>Holy. Fucking. Shit.</title>
	<author>kheldan</author>
	<datestamp>1257685560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Great. As if fucking up your computer isn't bad enough, now these bastards can ruin your life as well. Just great.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great .
As if fucking up your computer is n't bad enough , now these bastards can ruin your life as well .
Just great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great.
As if fucking up your computer isn't bad enough, now these bastards can ruin your life as well.
Just great.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30043648</id>
	<title>I once had child porn on my PC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257850800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was browsing the net a couple of years ago and all of a sudden I got tons of pop up windows full of really vile images( i was running a pop up manager but they were obviously using some new-fangled method to deliver their product). After closing them all I then got the final pop up which was an ad for Evidence Eliminator (or some similar product) with the full spiel about how you can go to gaol for possession of images in your browser's cache and other really scary stuff. So when I hear about someone busted for CP claiming that a virus did it  I may be suspicious about their excuse but as I have been on the receiving end I do not dismiss their claims outright as just another stupid excuse. If you are wondering how I made my HDD legal again. I smashed it to pieces that night (it was due to be upgraded anyway - evidence eliminated!)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was browsing the net a couple of years ago and all of a sudden I got tons of pop up windows full of really vile images ( i was running a pop up manager but they were obviously using some new-fangled method to deliver their product ) .
After closing them all I then got the final pop up which was an ad for Evidence Eliminator ( or some similar product ) with the full spiel about how you can go to gaol for possession of images in your browser 's cache and other really scary stuff .
So when I hear about someone busted for CP claiming that a virus did it I may be suspicious about their excuse but as I have been on the receiving end I do not dismiss their claims outright as just another stupid excuse .
If you are wondering how I made my HDD legal again .
I smashed it to pieces that night ( it was due to be upgraded anyway - evidence eliminated !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was browsing the net a couple of years ago and all of a sudden I got tons of pop up windows full of really vile images( i was running a pop up manager but they were obviously using some new-fangled method to deliver their product).
After closing them all I then got the final pop up which was an ad for Evidence Eliminator (or some similar product) with the full spiel about how you can go to gaol for possession of images in your browser's cache and other really scary stuff.
So when I hear about someone busted for CP claiming that a virus did it  I may be suspicious about their excuse but as I have been on the receiving end I do not dismiss their claims outright as just another stupid excuse.
If you are wondering how I made my HDD legal again.
I smashed it to pieces that night (it was due to be upgraded anyway - evidence eliminated!
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025860</id>
	<title>In other news ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257680100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> malware that was 'programmed to visit as many as 40 child porn sites per minute -- an inhuman feat</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
In other news, slashdotters lined up in droves asking "where can I get the adult | lesbian | furries version of this script?"
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>malware that was 'programmed to visit as many as 40 child porn sites per minute -- an inhuman feat In other news , slashdotters lined up in droves asking " where can I get the adult | lesbian | furries version of this script ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext> malware that was 'programmed to visit as many as 40 child porn sites per minute -- an inhuman feat

In other news, slashdotters lined up in droves asking "where can I get the adult | lesbian | furries version of this script?
"

	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025724</id>
	<title>Now all we have to do, ...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1257679320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...is create a bunch of honeypot websites for politicians and fatcats.</p><p>And then trigger the appropriate middle-of-the-night "clubbing cops" raids on the targets.</p><p>But don't get too greedy. It must stay believable to the general public. (Including the media. Including "FOX &amp; 'tards".)</p><p>P.S.: I think, we, the people, should have our own intelligence service. With the ability to filter out things that were aquired with proper methods. With a huge knowledge base. With native "agents" in every country. In every company and government office. And with trust relationship management. Make it a game. And let millions of people play it. Let's see who 0wns who then ^^ (Yes I know... <em>nice</em> dream though.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...is create a bunch of honeypot websites for politicians and fatcats.And then trigger the appropriate middle-of-the-night " clubbing cops " raids on the targets.But do n't get too greedy .
It must stay believable to the general public .
( Including the media .
Including " FOX &amp; 'tards " . ) P.S .
: I think , we , the people , should have our own intelligence service .
With the ability to filter out things that were aquired with proper methods .
With a huge knowledge base .
With native " agents " in every country .
In every company and government office .
And with trust relationship management .
Make it a game .
And let millions of people play it .
Let 's see who 0wns who then ^ ^ ( Yes I know... nice dream though .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is create a bunch of honeypot websites for politicians and fatcats.And then trigger the appropriate middle-of-the-night "clubbing cops" raids on the targets.But don't get too greedy.
It must stay believable to the general public.
(Including the media.
Including "FOX &amp; 'tards".)P.S.
: I think, we, the people, should have our own intelligence service.
With the ability to filter out things that were aquired with proper methods.
With a huge knowledge base.
With native "agents" in every country.
In every company and government office.
And with trust relationship management.
Make it a game.
And let millions of people play it.
Let's see who 0wns who then ^^ (Yes I know... nice dream though.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30028302</id>
	<title>Re:40 sites per minute?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257697380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even cartoons that pretend to be  children are considered child porn here in the U.S.  No children involved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even cartoons that pretend to be children are considered child porn here in the U.S. No children involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even cartoons that pretend to be  children are considered child porn here in the U.S.  No children involved.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025766</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026200</id>
	<title>Re:Flying the false flag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257682440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The act of possession means it is no longer a thought crime. It is a crime in the United States to even view an image of Child Pornography.</p></div><p>Uh yeah, what do you think a thought crime is - something that is not a crime?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>There are ways to catch the manufacturer, but what other freedoms will be lost in the balance. Shall we have to provide ID to buy a Camera?</p> </div><p>So, your argument is that because it is too hard to actually save any children from abuse, we should just fuck with people we think are gross?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The act of possession means it is no longer a thought crime .
It is a crime in the United States to even view an image of Child Pornography.Uh yeah , what do you think a thought crime is - something that is not a crime ? There are ways to catch the manufacturer , but what other freedoms will be lost in the balance .
Shall we have to provide ID to buy a Camera ?
So , your argument is that because it is too hard to actually save any children from abuse , we should just fuck with people we think are gross ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The act of possession means it is no longer a thought crime.
It is a crime in the United States to even view an image of Child Pornography.Uh yeah, what do you think a thought crime is - something that is not a crime?There are ways to catch the manufacturer, but what other freedoms will be lost in the balance.
Shall we have to provide ID to buy a Camera?
So, your argument is that because it is too hard to actually save any children from abuse, we should just fuck with people we think are gross?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025940</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30038768</id>
	<title>Re:The dog ate my homework</title>
	<author>clone53421</author>
	<datestamp>1257763500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When I was in 5th grade or so, a kid in my class brought in her homework (or the remains of her homework) complete with teethmarks. So, yes, it does actually happen.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div><p>Pfff... that's also a perfectly good way to conceal the fact that the "homework" was random scribbles that you copied from the encyclopedia or maths textbook because you forgot to actually do the homework. You don't even need a dog, in fact... children have teeth, too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was in 5th grade or so , a kid in my class brought in her homework ( or the remains of her homework ) complete with teethmarks .
So , yes , it does actually happen .
: ) Pfff... that 's also a perfectly good way to conceal the fact that the " homework " was random scribbles that you copied from the encyclopedia or maths textbook because you forgot to actually do the homework .
You do n't even need a dog , in fact... children have teeth , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was in 5th grade or so, a kid in my class brought in her homework (or the remains of her homework) complete with teethmarks.
So, yes, it does actually happen.
:)Pfff... that's also a perfectly good way to conceal the fact that the "homework" was random scribbles that you copied from the encyclopedia or maths textbook because you forgot to actually do the homework.
You don't even need a dog, in fact... children have teeth, too.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30027644</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026086</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257681600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can think of two possibilities:</p><p> <b>Framing.</b>  This is where the target gets the malware which downloads child porn to the computer.  Pretty effective attack, if you ask me.  It's obvious that it worked, too.</p><p> <b>As a proxy.</b>  Somebody wants to get child porn and so they use this computer as a proxy to get what they actually want -- the computer downloads a bunch of porn and tells the writer what was downloaded through some covert channel.  Since child porn is such a public crime, it will be completely obvious when the intermediate computer's owner is caught, so there is no chance of getting trapped in a honeypot and actually getting the writer.  By the time anybody realizes what is going on (11 months down the road), the actual "bad guy" has moved on to somebody else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can think of two possibilities : Framing .
This is where the target gets the malware which downloads child porn to the computer .
Pretty effective attack , if you ask me .
It 's obvious that it worked , too .
As a proxy .
Somebody wants to get child porn and so they use this computer as a proxy to get what they actually want -- the computer downloads a bunch of porn and tells the writer what was downloaded through some covert channel .
Since child porn is such a public crime , it will be completely obvious when the intermediate computer 's owner is caught , so there is no chance of getting trapped in a honeypot and actually getting the writer .
By the time anybody realizes what is going on ( 11 months down the road ) , the actual " bad guy " has moved on to somebody else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can think of two possibilities: Framing.
This is where the target gets the malware which downloads child porn to the computer.
Pretty effective attack, if you ask me.
It's obvious that it worked, too.
As a proxy.
Somebody wants to get child porn and so they use this computer as a proxy to get what they actually want -- the computer downloads a bunch of porn and tells the writer what was downloaded through some covert channel.
Since child porn is such a public crime, it will be completely obvious when the intermediate computer's owner is caught, so there is no chance of getting trapped in a honeypot and actually getting the writer.
By the time anybody realizes what is going on (11 months down the road), the actual "bad guy" has moved on to somebody else.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025892</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30030186</id>
	<title>Nice...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257760320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Note to pedophiles: Blame the infected machine.</p><p>Here's what to do:</p><p>Get a throwaway computer with lots of diskspace. You're going to use this for storage of your stash.</p><p>Install an unpatched windows on it and go online.</p><p>Search for "free porn" or similar. Visit all the sites returned and be sure to click 'OK' to any and all installation requests from all those nice offers with "free antivirus" and similar.</p><p>Now you've got a severely infected machine. Turn it off because you'll never boot this windows again.</p><p>Get a Live CD with some Linux distribution on it. Must be able to read and write NTFS if the computer uses that.</p><p>Now boot the live CD in the computer and start surfing for CP... Compile your stash and enjoy. Be sure to remove the Live CD after each use.</p><p>If the police should come knocking, blame the severely infected machine.</p><p>Remember - your actions are always safe as you're working in the Linux domain (no intentional infection active) and for that plausible deniability just remove the Live CD and throw it in with all the other 'misc' CD's we all seem to accumulate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Note to pedophiles : Blame the infected machine.Here 's what to do : Get a throwaway computer with lots of diskspace .
You 're going to use this for storage of your stash.Install an unpatched windows on it and go online.Search for " free porn " or similar .
Visit all the sites returned and be sure to click 'OK ' to any and all installation requests from all those nice offers with " free antivirus " and similar.Now you 've got a severely infected machine .
Turn it off because you 'll never boot this windows again.Get a Live CD with some Linux distribution on it .
Must be able to read and write NTFS if the computer uses that.Now boot the live CD in the computer and start surfing for CP... Compile your stash and enjoy .
Be sure to remove the Live CD after each use.If the police should come knocking , blame the severely infected machine.Remember - your actions are always safe as you 're working in the Linux domain ( no intentional infection active ) and for that plausible deniability just remove the Live CD and throw it in with all the other 'misc ' CD 's we all seem to accumulate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Note to pedophiles: Blame the infected machine.Here's what to do:Get a throwaway computer with lots of diskspace.
You're going to use this for storage of your stash.Install an unpatched windows on it and go online.Search for "free porn" or similar.
Visit all the sites returned and be sure to click 'OK' to any and all installation requests from all those nice offers with "free antivirus" and similar.Now you've got a severely infected machine.
Turn it off because you'll never boot this windows again.Get a Live CD with some Linux distribution on it.
Must be able to read and write NTFS if the computer uses that.Now boot the live CD in the computer and start surfing for CP... Compile your stash and enjoy.
Be sure to remove the Live CD after each use.If the police should come knocking, blame the severely infected machine.Remember - your actions are always safe as you're working in the Linux domain (no intentional infection active) and for that plausible deniability just remove the Live CD and throw it in with all the other 'misc' CD's we all seem to accumulate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026670</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>cptdondo</author>
	<datestamp>1257685200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last time I visited one of "those" sites, (in the interest of pure research of course) it was full of ads.  Even if they get a few fractions of a penny per ad, if you infect enough computers to start banging on your sites you can drive up the ad revenue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last time I visited one of " those " sites , ( in the interest of pure research of course ) it was full of ads .
Even if they get a few fractions of a penny per ad , if you infect enough computers to start banging on your sites you can drive up the ad revenue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time I visited one of "those" sites, (in the interest of pure research of course) it was full of ads.
Even if they get a few fractions of a penny per ad, if you infect enough computers to start banging on your sites you can drive up the ad revenue.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30028074</id>
	<title>Call me crazy but</title>
	<author>stastuffis</author>
	<datestamp>1257695520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Such a virus could serve three purposes in my mind:</p><p>
1) Disseminate and house child pornography anonymously
<br>
2) Bored person playing a cruel prank
<br>
3) An attempt to legitimize the "infected computer" defense. No way I knew about it. My computer is infected.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Such a virus could serve three purposes in my mind : 1 ) Disseminate and house child pornography anonymously 2 ) Bored person playing a cruel prank 3 ) An attempt to legitimize the " infected computer " defense .
No way I knew about it .
My computer is infected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Such a virus could serve three purposes in my mind:
1) Disseminate and house child pornography anonymously

2) Bored person playing a cruel prank

3) An attempt to legitimize the "infected computer" defense.
No way I knew about it.
My computer is infected.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026948</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1257686880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>What would a malware writer stand to gain by writing some malware that "accessed 40 child porn sites per minute" and installing it on some guy's computer?</i></p><p>Remote, untraceable hosting for his illegal files?  It's pretty obvious when you think about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What would a malware writer stand to gain by writing some malware that " accessed 40 child porn sites per minute " and installing it on some guy 's computer ? Remote , untraceable hosting for his illegal files ?
It 's pretty obvious when you think about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What would a malware writer stand to gain by writing some malware that "accessed 40 child porn sites per minute" and installing it on some guy's computer?Remote, untraceable hosting for his illegal files?
It's pretty obvious when you think about it.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025476</id>
	<title>This guy was lucky.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257677400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lucky for this guy there was evidence to prove he didn't do it. A hacker could might have installed a remote access program, downloaded the files manually, and then uninstalled the remote access program. There wouldn't be much evidence to suggest that this guy didn't download the kiddie porn himself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lucky for this guy there was evidence to prove he did n't do it .
A hacker could might have installed a remote access program , downloaded the files manually , and then uninstalled the remote access program .
There would n't be much evidence to suggest that this guy did n't download the kiddie porn himself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lucky for this guy there was evidence to prove he didn't do it.
A hacker could might have installed a remote access program, downloaded the files manually, and then uninstalled the remote access program.
There wouldn't be much evidence to suggest that this guy didn't download the kiddie porn himself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30096598</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258204740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are lots of fucked up people out there.  I seem to recall the figure of 1 billion people now have internet access, to think that there isn't 1 person in the lot who is capable and has to desire to do this (even if for no good reason) is rather naive.  That sort of person would be rare, but it is quite within the realms of possibility that there is at least one person who might do this just because they can.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are lots of fucked up people out there .
I seem to recall the figure of 1 billion people now have internet access , to think that there is n't 1 person in the lot who is capable and has to desire to do this ( even if for no good reason ) is rather naive .
That sort of person would be rare , but it is quite within the realms of possibility that there is at least one person who might do this just because they can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are lots of fucked up people out there.
I seem to recall the figure of 1 billion people now have internet access, to think that there isn't 1 person in the lot who is capable and has to desire to do this (even if for no good reason) is rather naive.
That sort of person would be rare, but it is quite within the realms of possibility that there is at least one person who might do this just because they can.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025818</id>
	<title>Re:Flying the false flag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257679860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How can you indorse such an action?</p><p>Then you'll have no problem with me installing my trojan which downloads highly secure information from rouge states?<br>Sneak into your house and hide narcatics and weapons?</p><p>Secretly downloading porn to someones computer to create a cover is hardly moral.</p><p>I'm not saying ruining someones life for a nude picture is good but some people believe in the right to have weapons and free information but you wouldn't want your computers attacking the NSA secretly at night to prove someone elses point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How can you indorse such an action ? Then you 'll have no problem with me installing my trojan which downloads highly secure information from rouge states ? Sneak into your house and hide narcatics and weapons ? Secretly downloading porn to someones computer to create a cover is hardly moral.I 'm not saying ruining someones life for a nude picture is good but some people believe in the right to have weapons and free information but you would n't want your computers attacking the NSA secretly at night to prove someone elses point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can you indorse such an action?Then you'll have no problem with me installing my trojan which downloads highly secure information from rouge states?Sneak into your house and hide narcatics and weapons?Secretly downloading porn to someones computer to create a cover is hardly moral.I'm not saying ruining someones life for a nude picture is good but some people believe in the right to have weapons and free information but you wouldn't want your computers attacking the NSA secretly at night to prove someone elses point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30028042</id>
	<title>So what is their excuse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257695280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what is the excuse of Massachusetts for destroying the lives of people and not making them whole after it becomes clear they are completely innocent<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... including restoring his employment and all backpay?  Do they even have an excuse?  The recovery cap SHOULD (in the moral sense<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I don't know what their laws actually say) not apply to ACTUAL costs, the backpay, and restoring employment in good standing.  It should only apply to the added on awards like "pain and suffering".  And they should also pay their health costs (and probably will have to eventually, anyway, after things get worse because they won't pay them now).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what is the excuse of Massachusetts for destroying the lives of people and not making them whole after it becomes clear they are completely innocent ... including restoring his employment and all backpay ?
Do they even have an excuse ?
The recovery cap SHOULD ( in the moral sense ... I do n't know what their laws actually say ) not apply to ACTUAL costs , the backpay , and restoring employment in good standing .
It should only apply to the added on awards like " pain and suffering " .
And they should also pay their health costs ( and probably will have to eventually , anyway , after things get worse because they wo n't pay them now ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what is the excuse of Massachusetts for destroying the lives of people and not making them whole after it becomes clear they are completely innocent ... including restoring his employment and all backpay?
Do they even have an excuse?
The recovery cap SHOULD (in the moral sense ... I don't know what their laws actually say) not apply to ACTUAL costs, the backpay, and restoring employment in good standing.
It should only apply to the added on awards like "pain and suffering".
And they should also pay their health costs (and probably will have to eventually, anyway, after things get worse because they won't pay them now).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026102</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>jisatsusha</author>
	<datestamp>1257681780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Revenge, most likely.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Revenge , most likely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Revenge, most likely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025916</id>
	<title>So now what</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257680640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So now the guy's sold his car, taken out a second mortgage, lost his job, 11 months of his life and most of his friends. He's a pariah with a mountain of debt.</p><p>Meanwhile, the prosecutor's off looking for the next big case without so much as an uncomfortable public statement or even an "I'm sorry". Business as usual.</p><p>It's a touch kinder and gentler than the days of the (Un)Holy Inquisition where if you drowned you were innocent and if you didn't they'd burn you, but it's no different in principle. The process of being tried does very nearly as much damage as being found guilty would. The accusation destroys your life one way or the other. Those who cause all the damage face no consequences whatsoever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So now the guy 's sold his car , taken out a second mortgage , lost his job , 11 months of his life and most of his friends .
He 's a pariah with a mountain of debt.Meanwhile , the prosecutor 's off looking for the next big case without so much as an uncomfortable public statement or even an " I 'm sorry " .
Business as usual.It 's a touch kinder and gentler than the days of the ( Un ) Holy Inquisition where if you drowned you were innocent and if you did n't they 'd burn you , but it 's no different in principle .
The process of being tried does very nearly as much damage as being found guilty would .
The accusation destroys your life one way or the other .
Those who cause all the damage face no consequences whatsoever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So now the guy's sold his car, taken out a second mortgage, lost his job, 11 months of his life and most of his friends.
He's a pariah with a mountain of debt.Meanwhile, the prosecutor's off looking for the next big case without so much as an uncomfortable public statement or even an "I'm sorry".
Business as usual.It's a touch kinder and gentler than the days of the (Un)Holy Inquisition where if you drowned you were innocent and if you didn't they'd burn you, but it's no different in principle.
The process of being tried does very nearly as much damage as being found guilty would.
The accusation destroys your life one way or the other.
Those who cause all the damage face no consequences whatsoever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30032950</id>
	<title>In the UK</title>
	<author>mad zambian</author>
	<datestamp>1257782880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>this defence would not work. In the UK the law is such that the authorities do not care <i>where</i> the porn came from. The fact that it is on your machine means that you are in possession of it, and therefore guilty.<br>
End of story. No excuses. No counter arguments allowed.<br>
Go directly to Jail, do not pass go.<br>
Justice? Pfft. Missing, presumed dead, and has been for a while now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>this defence would not work .
In the UK the law is such that the authorities do not care where the porn came from .
The fact that it is on your machine means that you are in possession of it , and therefore guilty .
End of story .
No excuses .
No counter arguments allowed .
Go directly to Jail , do not pass go .
Justice ? Pfft .
Missing , presumed dead , and has been for a while now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this defence would not work.
In the UK the law is such that the authorities do not care where the porn came from.
The fact that it is on your machine means that you are in possession of it, and therefore guilty.
End of story.
No excuses.
No counter arguments allowed.
Go directly to Jail, do not pass go.
Justice? Pfft.
Missing, presumed dead, and has been for a while now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30028630</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>lawpoop</author>
	<datestamp>1257700200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Years ago, while working at an ISP, I heard a geek bragging to another geek that they could do this very thing, to get back at someone they didn't like. My first thought was, "How does this guy know where to download it from?" I wouldn't even begin to know. I've never run across anything remotely similiar to it in all my web surfing. It struck me that there was probably stuff about this show off that I didn't to know about at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Years ago , while working at an ISP , I heard a geek bragging to another geek that they could do this very thing , to get back at someone they did n't like .
My first thought was , " How does this guy know where to download it from ?
" I would n't even begin to know .
I 've never run across anything remotely similiar to it in all my web surfing .
It struck me that there was probably stuff about this show off that I did n't to know about at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Years ago, while working at an ISP, I heard a geek bragging to another geek that they could do this very thing, to get back at someone they didn't like.
My first thought was, "How does this guy know where to download it from?
" I wouldn't even begin to know.
I've never run across anything remotely similiar to it in all my web surfing.
It struck me that there was probably stuff about this show off that I didn't to know about at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026050</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>Gerafix</author>
	<datestamp>1257681360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously? It's the ultimate revenge plot in the west. Even if you're just accused of having child porn, regardless if it's true or not, your life is ruined from that moment on. All for what amounts to what, maybe a couple hours of programming? Talk about return on investment, and probably no way to trace the program back to the 'hacker' means almost no liability. It's the perfect dish to serve cold.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously ?
It 's the ultimate revenge plot in the west .
Even if you 're just accused of having child porn , regardless if it 's true or not , your life is ruined from that moment on .
All for what amounts to what , maybe a couple hours of programming ?
Talk about return on investment , and probably no way to trace the program back to the 'hacker ' means almost no liability .
It 's the perfect dish to serve cold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously?
It's the ultimate revenge plot in the west.
Even if you're just accused of having child porn, regardless if it's true or not, your life is ruined from that moment on.
All for what amounts to what, maybe a couple hours of programming?
Talk about return on investment, and probably no way to trace the program back to the 'hacker' means almost no liability.
It's the perfect dish to serve cold.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30031488</id>
	<title>Re:This guy was lucky.</title>
	<author>rbanffy</author>
	<datestamp>1257775620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Luckily, Windows cannot properly uninstall anything<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-) There will always be some DLL, some registry key and some spurious file lost in the filesystem never to be deleted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Luckily , Windows can not properly uninstall anything ; - ) There will always be some DLL , some registry key and some spurious file lost in the filesystem never to be deleted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Luckily, Windows cannot properly uninstall anything ;-) There will always be some DLL, some registry key and some spurious file lost in the filesystem never to be deleted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025766</id>
	<title>Re:40 sites per minute?</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1257679620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because there is, to my understanding two kinds of "child porn".</p><p>1) The "core" material that is clearly children, clearly porn and prosecuted as such pretty much everywhere.<br>2) The "fringe" material that is teen but maybe not 18, suggestive poses, artistic or not so artistic nudes, CG art, stories, roleplay or whatever else that the US may consider child porn but at least parts of the world do not. They're an endless source of easy convictions that make it appear that they're tough on all the nasty bogeymen.</p><p>For example, here in Norway there was a "child porn" conviction that I read about in the paper, where the defendant disputed that any children was involved, and it quoted part of the main actress' bio. I found this very strange so I googled for it and it was "Tiny Tove", who was a Danish porn star that starred in a lot of dubious movies in the 1970s but was 18+ in all of them. None the less, he still got convicted because she was playing a much younger role in the movies and that is illegal in Norway. In other words, it's not "child porn" in 95\%+ of the world and you can download it from any adult site or p2p network. If you turn off safe search on google you don't even have to do that. But if I did that, I'd be watching child porn under Norwegian law. It's just so fucked up you wouldn't believe it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because there is , to my understanding two kinds of " child porn " .1 ) The " core " material that is clearly children , clearly porn and prosecuted as such pretty much everywhere.2 ) The " fringe " material that is teen but maybe not 18 , suggestive poses , artistic or not so artistic nudes , CG art , stories , roleplay or whatever else that the US may consider child porn but at least parts of the world do not .
They 're an endless source of easy convictions that make it appear that they 're tough on all the nasty bogeymen.For example , here in Norway there was a " child porn " conviction that I read about in the paper , where the defendant disputed that any children was involved , and it quoted part of the main actress ' bio .
I found this very strange so I googled for it and it was " Tiny Tove " , who was a Danish porn star that starred in a lot of dubious movies in the 1970s but was 18 + in all of them .
None the less , he still got convicted because she was playing a much younger role in the movies and that is illegal in Norway .
In other words , it 's not " child porn " in 95 \ % + of the world and you can download it from any adult site or p2p network .
If you turn off safe search on google you do n't even have to do that .
But if I did that , I 'd be watching child porn under Norwegian law .
It 's just so fucked up you would n't believe it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because there is, to my understanding two kinds of "child porn".1) The "core" material that is clearly children, clearly porn and prosecuted as such pretty much everywhere.2) The "fringe" material that is teen but maybe not 18, suggestive poses, artistic or not so artistic nudes, CG art, stories, roleplay or whatever else that the US may consider child porn but at least parts of the world do not.
They're an endless source of easy convictions that make it appear that they're tough on all the nasty bogeymen.For example, here in Norway there was a "child porn" conviction that I read about in the paper, where the defendant disputed that any children was involved, and it quoted part of the main actress' bio.
I found this very strange so I googled for it and it was "Tiny Tove", who was a Danish porn star that starred in a lot of dubious movies in the 1970s but was 18+ in all of them.
None the less, he still got convicted because she was playing a much younger role in the movies and that is illegal in Norway.
In other words, it's not "child porn" in 95\%+ of the world and you can download it from any adult site or p2p network.
If you turn off safe search on google you don't even have to do that.
But if I did that, I'd be watching child porn under Norwegian law.
It's just so fucked up you wouldn't believe it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025966</id>
	<title>Re:The Perfect Frame</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257680880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nah, there's an even better way to do it. Simply send child porn to their cell phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nah , there 's an even better way to do it .
Simply send child porn to their cell phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nah, there's an even better way to do it.
Simply send child porn to their cell phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025892</id>
	<title>Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>SkOink</author>
	<datestamp>1257680520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whenever I hear about something like this, I'm always a little bit skeptical. What would a malware writer stand to gain by writing some malware that "accessed 40 child porn sites per minute" and installing it on some guy's computer? It's pretty absurd when you think about it.</p><p>Does anybody really believe that there's some spergy criminal mastermind out there who spends his nights optimizing his malware's CPSPM rate? One would assume that anybody with enough knowledge to even write the software is probably already connected to the people who produce that stuff, or else he wouldn't know where to get it in the first place (and so how could he write malware to do it for him?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whenever I hear about something like this , I 'm always a little bit skeptical .
What would a malware writer stand to gain by writing some malware that " accessed 40 child porn sites per minute " and installing it on some guy 's computer ?
It 's pretty absurd when you think about it.Does anybody really believe that there 's some spergy criminal mastermind out there who spends his nights optimizing his malware 's CPSPM rate ?
One would assume that anybody with enough knowledge to even write the software is probably already connected to the people who produce that stuff , or else he would n't know where to get it in the first place ( and so how could he write malware to do it for him ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whenever I hear about something like this, I'm always a little bit skeptical.
What would a malware writer stand to gain by writing some malware that "accessed 40 child porn sites per minute" and installing it on some guy's computer?
It's pretty absurd when you think about it.Does anybody really believe that there's some spergy criminal mastermind out there who spends his nights optimizing his malware's CPSPM rate?
One would assume that anybody with enough knowledge to even write the software is probably already connected to the people who produce that stuff, or else he wouldn't know where to get it in the first place (and so how could he write malware to do it for him?
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30027170</id>
	<title>Re:Complicates prosecution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257688320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good. There should be very compelling evidence in order to get a conviction for such a serious crime (serious in the public's eye at least)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good .
There should be very compelling evidence in order to get a conviction for such a serious crime ( serious in the public 's eye at least )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good.
There should be very compelling evidence in order to get a conviction for such a serious crime (serious in the public's eye at least)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30028226</id>
	<title>What to say in Court</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257696780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I saw notzing!'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I saw notzing !
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I saw notzing!
'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30028194</id>
	<title>Is sex REALLY harmful for kids/teens?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257696420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I mean, it may sound like I'm talking crazy stuff, but read <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">this.</a> [wikipedia.org] Things that modern people would regard as "omg child raep!" were normal back in the ancient world. And did it make those people fucked up in the head? I mean, any more fucked up in the head than living in the uptight, reactionary, thou-shall-not cultures that replaced them? Or maybe we regard something as evil simply because it's a fuckin' huge taboo not to.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , it may sound like I 'm talking crazy stuff , but read this .
[ wikipedia.org ] Things that modern people would regard as " omg child raep !
" were normal back in the ancient world .
And did it make those people fucked up in the head ?
I mean , any more fucked up in the head than living in the uptight , reactionary , thou-shall-not cultures that replaced them ?
Or maybe we regard something as evil simply because it 's a fuckin ' huge taboo not to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, it may sound like I'm talking crazy stuff, but read this.
[wikipedia.org] Things that modern people would regard as "omg child raep!
" were normal back in the ancient world.
And did it make those people fucked up in the head?
I mean, any more fucked up in the head than living in the uptight, reactionary, thou-shall-not cultures that replaced them?
Or maybe we regard something as evil simply because it's a fuckin' huge taboo not to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30027184</id>
	<title>Re:Flying the false flag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257688440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nigga, same thing happens in the US. I had a friend he was screwing a 17 year old slut from around the corner.<br>One day the guy decided that was time to find a new bitch and move on with his life. Well, the little poor teenager come to him and said:"look I got pics and videos of us fucking and they all show a date on it". He was like "and? Whatever bitch". Well she said "Whatever my ass! I can take those pics and videos to the police station and tell them you raped me, and you going to spend a long season in the can, so forget about that ho and stay with me". Well, they are actually still married and have 3 kids. Another nice love story in the USA...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nigga , same thing happens in the US .
I had a friend he was screwing a 17 year old slut from around the corner.One day the guy decided that was time to find a new bitch and move on with his life .
Well , the little poor teenager come to him and said : " look I got pics and videos of us fucking and they all show a date on it " .
He was like " and ?
Whatever bitch " .
Well she said " Whatever my ass !
I can take those pics and videos to the police station and tell them you raped me , and you going to spend a long season in the can , so forget about that ho and stay with me " .
Well , they are actually still married and have 3 kids .
Another nice love story in the USA.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nigga, same thing happens in the US.
I had a friend he was screwing a 17 year old slut from around the corner.One day the guy decided that was time to find a new bitch and move on with his life.
Well, the little poor teenager come to him and said:"look I got pics and videos of us fucking and they all show a date on it".
He was like "and?
Whatever bitch".
Well she said "Whatever my ass!
I can take those pics and videos to the police station and tell them you raped me, and you going to spend a long season in the can, so forget about that ho and stay with me".
Well, they are actually still married and have 3 kids.
Another nice love story in the USA...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025522</id>
	<title>Flying the false flag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257677760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If everyone downloads kiddie porn, then that makes it really hard to pick out and prosecute the people who do it deliberately.<br>This case was kinda stupid in that it went faster than humanly possible.  I expect that newer versions will be a bit more subtle.</p><p>Personally I think trojans like this are a good idea precisely because they make it difficult to prosecute someone for having a copy of the stuff -- possession of kiddie porn is just another thought crime and prosecuting it is complete hypocrisy.  The politicians like it because it is 1000x easier to prosecute someone for having a copy of kiddie porn than it is to catch and prosecute the people manufacturing it.  The politicians get their public back-slapping for a job well done, meanwhile the children who are <i>really</i> being hurt by the creation of the stuff aren't any better off than they were before.</p><p>Its a case of the politicians deliberately not thinking of the children at all, only their careers, but proclaiming that they are protecting children -- 100\% hypocrisy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If everyone downloads kiddie porn , then that makes it really hard to pick out and prosecute the people who do it deliberately.This case was kinda stupid in that it went faster than humanly possible .
I expect that newer versions will be a bit more subtle.Personally I think trojans like this are a good idea precisely because they make it difficult to prosecute someone for having a copy of the stuff -- possession of kiddie porn is just another thought crime and prosecuting it is complete hypocrisy .
The politicians like it because it is 1000x easier to prosecute someone for having a copy of kiddie porn than it is to catch and prosecute the people manufacturing it .
The politicians get their public back-slapping for a job well done , meanwhile the children who are really being hurt by the creation of the stuff are n't any better off than they were before.Its a case of the politicians deliberately not thinking of the children at all , only their careers , but proclaiming that they are protecting children -- 100 \ % hypocrisy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If everyone downloads kiddie porn, then that makes it really hard to pick out and prosecute the people who do it deliberately.This case was kinda stupid in that it went faster than humanly possible.
I expect that newer versions will be a bit more subtle.Personally I think trojans like this are a good idea precisely because they make it difficult to prosecute someone for having a copy of the stuff -- possession of kiddie porn is just another thought crime and prosecuting it is complete hypocrisy.
The politicians like it because it is 1000x easier to prosecute someone for having a copy of kiddie porn than it is to catch and prosecute the people manufacturing it.
The politicians get their public back-slapping for a job well done, meanwhile the children who are really being hurt by the creation of the stuff aren't any better off than they were before.Its a case of the politicians deliberately not thinking of the children at all, only their careers, but proclaiming that they are protecting children -- 100\% hypocrisy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026034</id>
	<title>Re:new?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257681300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>how is this anything new? A completely unprotected system can be infected and then do whatever any other computer can.</i>
<br>
<br>
Next thing you'll know the news will be warning people about strings of armed robberies in their neighborhood, when anyone should know that someone with a gun can rob people.  I mean what's the point?  Oh, and forget about weather reports, why bother when it's perfectly logical and foreseeable that the temperature reached the level it did today, considering the long-term climatological trends, the time of year, the latitude, and the altitutde?</htmltext>
<tokenext>how is this anything new ?
A completely unprotected system can be infected and then do whatever any other computer can .
Next thing you 'll know the news will be warning people about strings of armed robberies in their neighborhood , when anyone should know that someone with a gun can rob people .
I mean what 's the point ?
Oh , and forget about weather reports , why bother when it 's perfectly logical and foreseeable that the temperature reached the level it did today , considering the long-term climatological trends , the time of year , the latitude , and the altitutde ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how is this anything new?
A completely unprotected system can be infected and then do whatever any other computer can.
Next thing you'll know the news will be warning people about strings of armed robberies in their neighborhood, when anyone should know that someone with a gun can rob people.
I mean what's the point?
Oh, and forget about weather reports, why bother when it's perfectly logical and foreseeable that the temperature reached the level it did today, considering the long-term climatological trends, the time of year, the latitude, and the altitutde?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30027038</id>
	<title>Re:Flying the false flag</title>
	<author>Fulcrum of Evil</author>
	<datestamp>1257687360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Personally I think trojans like this are a good idea precisely because they make it difficult to prosecute someone for having a copy of the stuff</p></div><p>Sure, so long as you're not the poor bastard who has to come up with $250k to stay out of jail (and probably still loses all his neighbor friends). I know I couldn't pull that kind of cash out of my ass - can you?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally I think trojans like this are a good idea precisely because they make it difficult to prosecute someone for having a copy of the stuffSure , so long as you 're not the poor bastard who has to come up with $ 250k to stay out of jail ( and probably still loses all his neighbor friends ) .
I know I could n't pull that kind of cash out of my ass - can you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally I think trojans like this are a good idea precisely because they make it difficult to prosecute someone for having a copy of the stuffSure, so long as you're not the poor bastard who has to come up with $250k to stay out of jail (and probably still loses all his neighbor friends).
I know I couldn't pull that kind of cash out of my ass - can you?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026358</id>
	<title>Thought crime?</title>
	<author>RIpRapRob</author>
	<datestamp>1257683400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>possession of kiddie porn is just another thought crime.</p></div><p>Well, tell that to the kids (and the parents) that have to live with the images of them (or their kids) being abused, is traded on the Internet.</p><p>Imagine your having a girlfriend, and her being raped. Sharing pictures of that after the fact - just a thought crime?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>possession of kiddie porn is just another thought crime.Well , tell that to the kids ( and the parents ) that have to live with the images of them ( or their kids ) being abused , is traded on the Internet.Imagine your having a girlfriend , and her being raped .
Sharing pictures of that after the fact - just a thought crime ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>possession of kiddie porn is just another thought crime.Well, tell that to the kids (and the parents) that have to live with the images of them (or their kids) being abused, is traded on the Internet.Imagine your having a girlfriend, and her being raped.
Sharing pictures of that after the fact - just a thought crime?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025872</id>
	<title>I assume this virus is for getting revenge</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257680280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, you gotta be a real ass to do something like this to someone.
<br> <br>
It's this sort of thing that will give governments an excuse to try and control the net even more and give companies a reason to close up their hardware and in the end most people end up with less freedom.
<br> <br>
The net was nice before every tard was on it waiting to be exploited.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , you got ta be a real ass to do something like this to someone .
It 's this sort of thing that will give governments an excuse to try and control the net even more and give companies a reason to close up their hardware and in the end most people end up with less freedom .
The net was nice before every tard was on it waiting to be exploited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, you gotta be a real ass to do something like this to someone.
It's this sort of thing that will give governments an excuse to try and control the net even more and give companies a reason to close up their hardware and in the end most people end up with less freedom.
The net was nice before every tard was on it waiting to be exploited.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025626</id>
	<title>Re:new?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257678420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ANAL FETUS</htmltext>
<tokenext>ANAL FETUS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ANAL FETUS</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30043758</id>
	<title>Re:Guess that lets my cat off the hook</title>
	<author>consonant</author>
	<datestamp>1257852660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dewd, at least RTFS. It's not <b>kitty</b> porn..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dewd , at least RTFS .
It 's not kitty porn. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dewd, at least RTFS.
It's not kitty porn..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30031638</id>
	<title>Let's play the devil's advocate</title>
	<author>freaker\_TuC</author>
	<datestamp>1257776580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not going to be judge, jury or executioner on what happened on this guys computer.</p><p>Although, look it from another perspective.</p><p>A pedophile <b>could</b> install a virus or malware on his/her PC, doing these actions in order to prove his innocence through blanket defense.</p><p>A knife has two sides that can cut; how is the state going to protect against such behavior?</p><p>I would think a providers web/proxy access log would be a lot more accurate instead of finding a virus/trojan on someones PC; which could be installed on purpose by the pedophile.</p><p>With an access.log, time can be compared to "legal visits"; where the times of visiting legal sites would either match +/- the timeframe where the photos are downloaded would be proof the perpetrator was behind the PC when it happened; visiting child pornography. If the state has to provide evidence and virusses are in the wild downloading illegal porn; then they will have to be prepared for both cases....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not going to be judge , jury or executioner on what happened on this guys computer.Although , look it from another perspective.A pedophile could install a virus or malware on his/her PC , doing these actions in order to prove his innocence through blanket defense.A knife has two sides that can cut ; how is the state going to protect against such behavior ? I would think a providers web/proxy access log would be a lot more accurate instead of finding a virus/trojan on someones PC ; which could be installed on purpose by the pedophile.With an access.log , time can be compared to " legal visits " ; where the times of visiting legal sites would either match + /- the timeframe where the photos are downloaded would be proof the perpetrator was behind the PC when it happened ; visiting child pornography .
If the state has to provide evidence and virusses are in the wild downloading illegal porn ; then they will have to be prepared for both cases... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not going to be judge, jury or executioner on what happened on this guys computer.Although, look it from another perspective.A pedophile could install a virus or malware on his/her PC, doing these actions in order to prove his innocence through blanket defense.A knife has two sides that can cut; how is the state going to protect against such behavior?I would think a providers web/proxy access log would be a lot more accurate instead of finding a virus/trojan on someones PC; which could be installed on purpose by the pedophile.With an access.log, time can be compared to "legal visits"; where the times of visiting legal sites would either match +/- the timeframe where the photos are downloaded would be proof the perpetrator was behind the PC when it happened; visiting child pornography.
If the state has to provide evidence and virusses are in the wild downloading illegal porn; then they will have to be prepared for both cases....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30028544</id>
	<title>Re:This guy was lucky.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257699420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>A hacker could might have installed a remote access program, downloaded the files manually, and then uninstalled the remote access program. There wouldn't be much evidence to suggest that this guy didn't download the kiddie porn himself.</i> </p><p>Child porn becomes an obsession.</p><p>There are usually two elements in an arrest and conviction for possession:</p><p>1 The number of files retrieved is enormous.</p><p>In the thousands or tens or thousands. <a href="http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=11461060" title="kvia.com">Authorities arrest 64-year-old man for child pornography</a> [kvia.com] </p><p>In this case, 40,000 photos and videos.</p><p>2 The defendant's behavior was reckless and self-destructive.</p><p>He'll try to slip his porn stash through customs. <a href="http://www.upi.com/Top\_News/US/2009/11/07/Va-man-headed-to-prison-for-child-porn/UPI-89761257619732/" title="upi.com">Va. man headed to prison for child porn</a> [upi.com] It will be found on the cell phone he left behind at Starbucks. The laptop he brought into his grade school classroom. <a href="http://www.indystar.com/article/20091105/LOCAL1802/911060301/Pike+teacher+faces+child-porn+charge" title="indystar.com">Pike High School teacher charged with possession of child porn</a> [indystar.com] </p><p><i>This guy was lucky.</i> </p><p>Luck as nothing to do with it. Criminal investigation at its most basic isn't about tech, its about people. The frame has to fit or you look elsewhere.</p><p>The geek should give up his life of crime. He isn't as smart as he thinks.  The schemes he contrives are overly complex and fragile. The human element is ignored.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A hacker could might have installed a remote access program , downloaded the files manually , and then uninstalled the remote access program .
There would n't be much evidence to suggest that this guy did n't download the kiddie porn himself .
Child porn becomes an obsession.There are usually two elements in an arrest and conviction for possession : 1 The number of files retrieved is enormous.In the thousands or tens or thousands .
Authorities arrest 64-year-old man for child pornography [ kvia.com ] In this case , 40,000 photos and videos.2 The defendant 's behavior was reckless and self-destructive.He 'll try to slip his porn stash through customs .
Va. man headed to prison for child porn [ upi.com ] It will be found on the cell phone he left behind at Starbucks .
The laptop he brought into his grade school classroom .
Pike High School teacher charged with possession of child porn [ indystar.com ] This guy was lucky .
Luck as nothing to do with it .
Criminal investigation at its most basic is n't about tech , its about people .
The frame has to fit or you look elsewhere.The geek should give up his life of crime .
He is n't as smart as he thinks .
The schemes he contrives are overly complex and fragile .
The human element is ignored .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A hacker could might have installed a remote access program, downloaded the files manually, and then uninstalled the remote access program.
There wouldn't be much evidence to suggest that this guy didn't download the kiddie porn himself.
Child porn becomes an obsession.There are usually two elements in an arrest and conviction for possession:1 The number of files retrieved is enormous.In the thousands or tens or thousands.
Authorities arrest 64-year-old man for child pornography [kvia.com] In this case, 40,000 photos and videos.2 The defendant's behavior was reckless and self-destructive.He'll try to slip his porn stash through customs.
Va. man headed to prison for child porn [upi.com] It will be found on the cell phone he left behind at Starbucks.
The laptop he brought into his grade school classroom.
Pike High School teacher charged with possession of child porn [indystar.com] This guy was lucky.
Luck as nothing to do with it.
Criminal investigation at its most basic isn't about tech, its about people.
The frame has to fit or you look elsewhere.The geek should give up his life of crime.
He isn't as smart as he thinks.
The schemes he contrives are overly complex and fragile.
The human element is ignored.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025802</id>
	<title>standards of evidence</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257679800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Many prosecutors say blaming a computer virus for child porn is a new version of an old ploy.</p><p>"We call it the SODDI defense: Some Other Dude Did It," says James Anderson, a federal prosecutor in Wyoming.</p></div><p>This sounds like some prosecutors either don't understand the prevalance of malware in PCs, or they don't take the "beyond reasonable doubt" standard of justice very seriously.  I think the prosecutors need additional confirming evidence beyond finding a stash of bad stuff on someone's PC, so that innocent people don't find themselves in the same bind as this man did.</p><p>Incidentally, it doesn't surprise me that the Attorney General's office involved was that being run by Martha Coakley, now a candidate for Ted Kennedy's old US Senate seat.  She is useless, known to look the other way when well-connected politicians and executives are accused of corruption and/or conflicts of interest.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : Many prosecutors say blaming a computer virus for child porn is a new version of an old ploy .
" We call it the SODDI defense : Some Other Dude Did It , " says James Anderson , a federal prosecutor in Wyoming.This sounds like some prosecutors either do n't understand the prevalance of malware in PCs , or they do n't take the " beyond reasonable doubt " standard of justice very seriously .
I think the prosecutors need additional confirming evidence beyond finding a stash of bad stuff on someone 's PC , so that innocent people do n't find themselves in the same bind as this man did.Incidentally , it does n't surprise me that the Attorney General 's office involved was that being run by Martha Coakley , now a candidate for Ted Kennedy 's old US Senate seat .
She is useless , known to look the other way when well-connected politicians and executives are accused of corruption and/or conflicts of interest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:Many prosecutors say blaming a computer virus for child porn is a new version of an old ploy.
"We call it the SODDI defense: Some Other Dude Did It," says James Anderson, a federal prosecutor in Wyoming.This sounds like some prosecutors either don't understand the prevalance of malware in PCs, or they don't take the "beyond reasonable doubt" standard of justice very seriously.
I think the prosecutors need additional confirming evidence beyond finding a stash of bad stuff on someone's PC, so that innocent people don't find themselves in the same bind as this man did.Incidentally, it doesn't surprise me that the Attorney General's office involved was that being run by Martha Coakley, now a candidate for Ted Kennedy's old US Senate seat.
She is useless, known to look the other way when well-connected politicians and executives are accused of corruption and/or conflicts of interest.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30059356</id>
	<title>Re:This guy was lucky.</title>
	<author>metacell</author>
	<datestamp>1257087120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There are usually two elements in an arrest and conviction for possession:<br>
1 The number of files retrieved is enormous.<br>
[...]<br>
2 The defendant's behavior was reckless and self-destructive.</p></div><p>Well, yes, that may be typical, but is it necessary in order to get someone investigated and convicted?</p><p>If child pornography was planted on someone's computer in such a way that it came to the police's attention, would the case be dropped just because the suspect wasn't a "typical" child pornogropher (if there is such a thing)?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are usually two elements in an arrest and conviction for possession : 1 The number of files retrieved is enormous .
[ ... ] 2 The defendant 's behavior was reckless and self-destructive.Well , yes , that may be typical , but is it necessary in order to get someone investigated and convicted ? If child pornography was planted on someone 's computer in such a way that it came to the police 's attention , would the case be dropped just because the suspect was n't a " typical " child pornogropher ( if there is such a thing ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are usually two elements in an arrest and conviction for possession:
1 The number of files retrieved is enormous.
[...]
2 The defendant's behavior was reckless and self-destructive.Well, yes, that may be typical, but is it necessary in order to get someone investigated and convicted?If child pornography was planted on someone's computer in such a way that it came to the police's attention, would the case be dropped just because the suspect wasn't a "typical" child pornogropher (if there is such a thing)?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30029134</id>
	<title>American obsessions</title>
	<author>alantus</author>
	<datestamp>1257704640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know why, but one of the biggest obsessions in the US culture is underage porn / underage sex.<br>And I call it underage porn, and not child porn, because most of the time the subject of the pictures are not children, but teenagers (15 - 17 years old) who know what they are doing.</p><p>Even when a 15 year old girl takes a nude picture of herself, or her boyfriend takes a pic of her, it is considered a crime in the US, I find that kind of strange.</p><p>Some other obsessions I've found so far in this species is:<br>- political correctness<br>- the "N" word (won't even dare to write it here)<br>- immigration<br>- coffee</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know why , but one of the biggest obsessions in the US culture is underage porn / underage sex.And I call it underage porn , and not child porn , because most of the time the subject of the pictures are not children , but teenagers ( 15 - 17 years old ) who know what they are doing.Even when a 15 year old girl takes a nude picture of herself , or her boyfriend takes a pic of her , it is considered a crime in the US , I find that kind of strange.Some other obsessions I 've found so far in this species is : - political correctness- the " N " word ( wo n't even dare to write it here ) - immigration- coffee</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know why, but one of the biggest obsessions in the US culture is underage porn / underage sex.And I call it underage porn, and not child porn, because most of the time the subject of the pictures are not children, but teenagers (15 - 17 years old) who know what they are doing.Even when a 15 year old girl takes a nude picture of herself, or her boyfriend takes a pic of her, it is considered a crime in the US, I find that kind of strange.Some other obsessions I've found so far in this species is:- political correctness- the "N" word (won't even dare to write it here)- immigration- coffee</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30028072</id>
	<title>kazaa ring...</title>
	<author>parazite.org</author>
	<datestamp>1257695520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>...let's see when the police infiltrate the next international organized hardcore pedophile kazaa ring</htmltext>
<tokenext>...let 's see when the police infiltrate the next international organized hardcore pedophile kazaa ring</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...let's see when the police infiltrate the next international organized hardcore pedophile kazaa ring</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025550</id>
	<title>THAT'S NOT MALWARE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257677940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My 4chan<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/fit/ Pedobear senses are tingling.  What. does. it. MEAN?!?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My 4chan /fit/ Pedobear senses are tingling .
What. does .
it. MEAN ? ! ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My 4chan /fit/ Pedobear senses are tingling.
What. does.
it. MEAN?!?
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025906</id>
	<title>Glad this has happened to a politician</title>
	<author>zuperduperman</author>
	<datestamp>1257680580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While it's sad whenever someone is falsely accused and I have sympathy for him and his wife, I can't help but feel - it's wonderful that this has happened to a politician.  Because this could happen to absolutely anybody and politicians will not relent in their fear mongering and ridiculous laws in this area until they become victims themselves.</p><p>While I strongly suspect if they weren't a) wealthy and b) in positions of power the governor would now be rotting in a cell, the fact of the case being overturned will help sanity prevail everywhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While it 's sad whenever someone is falsely accused and I have sympathy for him and his wife , I ca n't help but feel - it 's wonderful that this has happened to a politician .
Because this could happen to absolutely anybody and politicians will not relent in their fear mongering and ridiculous laws in this area until they become victims themselves.While I strongly suspect if they were n't a ) wealthy and b ) in positions of power the governor would now be rotting in a cell , the fact of the case being overturned will help sanity prevail everywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While it's sad whenever someone is falsely accused and I have sympathy for him and his wife, I can't help but feel - it's wonderful that this has happened to a politician.
Because this could happen to absolutely anybody and politicians will not relent in their fear mongering and ridiculous laws in this area until they become victims themselves.While I strongly suspect if they weren't a) wealthy and b) in positions of power the governor would now be rotting in a cell, the fact of the case being overturned will help sanity prevail everywhere.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026138</id>
	<title>Which sites?</title>
	<author>phorm</author>
	<datestamp>1257682020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if this malware was in fact targetted specifically at KP. It might have just been an open door that the creator or others (think: those that don't want to use their own computers could pay to hijack somebody else's).</p><p>In most cases, if something is illegal, there's a shady market for it somewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if this malware was in fact targetted specifically at KP .
It might have just been an open door that the creator or others ( think : those that do n't want to use their own computers could pay to hijack somebody else 's ) .In most cases , if something is illegal , there 's a shady market for it somewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if this malware was in fact targetted specifically at KP.
It might have just been an open door that the creator or others (think: those that don't want to use their own computers could pay to hijack somebody else's).In most cases, if something is illegal, there's a shady market for it somewhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30028652</id>
	<title>Re:40 sites per minute?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257700380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"he still got convicted because she was playing a much younger role in the movies and that is illegal in Norway"</p><p>So by that law the movie American Beauty and Lolita would be illegal since the 18+ actresses were playing underage girls?  Crazy...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" he still got convicted because she was playing a much younger role in the movies and that is illegal in Norway " So by that law the movie American Beauty and Lolita would be illegal since the 18 + actresses were playing underage girls ?
Crazy.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"he still got convicted because she was playing a much younger role in the movies and that is illegal in Norway"So by that law the movie American Beauty and Lolita would be illegal since the 18+ actresses were playing underage girls?
Crazy...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025766</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30043748</id>
	<title>Re:Flying the false flag</title>
	<author>Criton</author>
	<datestamp>1257852420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The people who pass these laws realy are hypocrites.
These same people would and often do bring harm to children if it would farther their career.
They have caused needless wars where children are burned with white phosphorous and poisoned with depleted uranium.

Yes I'm making a stab at the right wing conservative movement in the US.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The people who pass these laws realy are hypocrites .
These same people would and often do bring harm to children if it would farther their career .
They have caused needless wars where children are burned with white phosphorous and poisoned with depleted uranium .
Yes I 'm making a stab at the right wing conservative movement in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The people who pass these laws realy are hypocrites.
These same people would and often do bring harm to children if it would farther their career.
They have caused needless wars where children are burned with white phosphorous and poisoned with depleted uranium.
Yes I'm making a stab at the right wing conservative movement in the US.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025522</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025450</id>
	<title>new?</title>
	<author>Turiko</author>
	<datestamp>1257677280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>how is this anything new? A completely unprotected system can be infected and then do whatever any other computer can.</htmltext>
<tokenext>how is this anything new ?
A completely unprotected system can be infected and then do whatever any other computer can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how is this anything new?
A completely unprotected system can be infected and then do whatever any other computer can.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30030666</id>
	<title>Standard of proof</title>
	<author>masonc</author>
	<datestamp>1257766080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the courts need to raise the standard for proof of this crime. Just because there is CP on a computer should not be considered enough to prove the owner of the computer put it there. Computers, especially home computers running Windows, are inherently insecure and able to operate autonomously, subject to outside control without the owners knowledge. I can't think of any other possession we are less in control of, which is probably why there is no real analogous precedent for the courts to relate to.<br>The courts need to require that the prosecutor can show the owner DID download the material with knowledge, not just that it was there. The requirement for proof should be something like correlating an online conversation to a request for the material or carrying it on a DVD, purchasing it with the offenders card, something that shows it could not have been automated.<br>There is the potential for severe miscarriages  of justice with the lax standard for proof presently employed which will inevitably lead to abuse and misuse of power. Once prosecutors have a slamdunk way to leverage a confession that will use and abuse it. All they have to do in ANY case is to look for a piece of CP on the defendant's computer, even if that has nothing to do with the case. No-one wants to go to jail for that and will confess to any other crime, even if they are not guilty. Look at the present case against prosecutors for manufacturing evidence if you don't believe they would do this. "there is no freestanding right not to be framed."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the courts need to raise the standard for proof of this crime .
Just because there is CP on a computer should not be considered enough to prove the owner of the computer put it there .
Computers , especially home computers running Windows , are inherently insecure and able to operate autonomously , subject to outside control without the owners knowledge .
I ca n't think of any other possession we are less in control of , which is probably why there is no real analogous precedent for the courts to relate to.The courts need to require that the prosecutor can show the owner DID download the material with knowledge , not just that it was there .
The requirement for proof should be something like correlating an online conversation to a request for the material or carrying it on a DVD , purchasing it with the offenders card , something that shows it could not have been automated.There is the potential for severe miscarriages of justice with the lax standard for proof presently employed which will inevitably lead to abuse and misuse of power .
Once prosecutors have a slamdunk way to leverage a confession that will use and abuse it .
All they have to do in ANY case is to look for a piece of CP on the defendant 's computer , even if that has nothing to do with the case .
No-one wants to go to jail for that and will confess to any other crime , even if they are not guilty .
Look at the present case against prosecutors for manufacturing evidence if you do n't believe they would do this .
" there is no freestanding right not to be framed .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the courts need to raise the standard for proof of this crime.
Just because there is CP on a computer should not be considered enough to prove the owner of the computer put it there.
Computers, especially home computers running Windows, are inherently insecure and able to operate autonomously, subject to outside control without the owners knowledge.
I can't think of any other possession we are less in control of, which is probably why there is no real analogous precedent for the courts to relate to.The courts need to require that the prosecutor can show the owner DID download the material with knowledge, not just that it was there.
The requirement for proof should be something like correlating an online conversation to a request for the material or carrying it on a DVD, purchasing it with the offenders card, something that shows it could not have been automated.There is the potential for severe miscarriages  of justice with the lax standard for proof presently employed which will inevitably lead to abuse and misuse of power.
Once prosecutors have a slamdunk way to leverage a confession that will use and abuse it.
All they have to do in ANY case is to look for a piece of CP on the defendant's computer, even if that has nothing to do with the case.
No-one wants to go to jail for that and will confess to any other crime, even if they are not guilty.
Look at the present case against prosecutors for manufacturing evidence if you don't believe they would do this.
"there is no freestanding right not to be framed.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026062</id>
	<title>mod points</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257681360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm warning you now, I've been given 15 mod points, so any twat who posts something stupid will be modded troll. don't blame the player, blame the game.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm warning you now , I 've been given 15 mod points , so any twat who posts something stupid will be modded troll .
do n't blame the player , blame the game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm warning you now, I've been given 15 mod points, so any twat who posts something stupid will be modded troll.
don't blame the player, blame the game.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026916</id>
	<title>Wow relate this to a link posted on slashdot today</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257686760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2009/06/23/calgary-huggett-child-porn-sentencing-hearing.html</p><p>wow relate this to a link posted on slashdot today. this guy only got 9 months for having stacks of dvds with child porn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2009/06/23/calgary-huggett-child-porn-sentencing-hearing.htmlwow relate this to a link posted on slashdot today .
this guy only got 9 months for having stacks of dvds with child porn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2009/06/23/calgary-huggett-child-porn-sentencing-hearing.htmlwow relate this to a link posted on slashdot today.
this guy only got 9 months for having stacks of dvds with child porn.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025940</id>
	<title>Re:Flying the false flag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257680760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I must respectfully disagree with a number of your points.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>possession of kiddie porn is just another thought crime and prosecuting it is complete hypocrisy.</p></div><p>The act of possession means it is no longer a thought crime.  It is a crime in the United States to even view an image of Child Pornography.
</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The politicians like it because it is 1000x easier to prosecute someone for having a copy of kiddie porn than it is to catch and prosecute the people manufacturing it.</p></div><p>There are ways to catch the manufacturer, but what other freedoms will be lost in the balance.   Shall we have to provide ID to buy a Camera?
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I must respectfully disagree with a number of your points.possession of kiddie porn is just another thought crime and prosecuting it is complete hypocrisy.The act of possession means it is no longer a thought crime .
It is a crime in the United States to even view an image of Child Pornography .
The politicians like it because it is 1000x easier to prosecute someone for having a copy of kiddie porn than it is to catch and prosecute the people manufacturing it.There are ways to catch the manufacturer , but what other freedoms will be lost in the balance .
Shall we have to provide ID to buy a Camera ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I must respectfully disagree with a number of your points.possession of kiddie porn is just another thought crime and prosecuting it is complete hypocrisy.The act of possession means it is no longer a thought crime.
It is a crime in the United States to even view an image of Child Pornography.
The politicians like it because it is 1000x easier to prosecute someone for having a copy of kiddie porn than it is to catch and prosecute the people manufacturing it.There are ways to catch the manufacturer, but what other freedoms will be lost in the balance.
Shall we have to provide ID to buy a Camera?

	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025522</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30029554</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1257796860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've heard of this concept before - it usually comes every time there's a discussion on slashdot about how the average user won't maintain their computer's security. The logic is to frighten them (via the threat of being prosecuted for possession of CP) into using AV, etc. It's entirely possible (if unlikely) someone may have done that, though Occam's Razor suggests this is revenge/framing, plain and simple.<br>It would be interesting, though, if somehow a large no. of politicians got their systems infected with this virus, particularly in places where possession itself is a felony...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've heard of this concept before - it usually comes every time there 's a discussion on slashdot about how the average user wo n't maintain their computer 's security .
The logic is to frighten them ( via the threat of being prosecuted for possession of CP ) into using AV , etc .
It 's entirely possible ( if unlikely ) someone may have done that , though Occam 's Razor suggests this is revenge/framing , plain and simple.It would be interesting , though , if somehow a large no .
of politicians got their systems infected with this virus , particularly in places where possession itself is a felony.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard of this concept before - it usually comes every time there's a discussion on slashdot about how the average user won't maintain their computer's security.
The logic is to frighten them (via the threat of being prosecuted for possession of CP) into using AV, etc.
It's entirely possible (if unlikely) someone may have done that, though Occam's Razor suggests this is revenge/framing, plain and simple.It would be interesting, though, if somehow a large no.
of politicians got their systems infected with this virus, particularly in places where possession itself is a felony...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025892</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025544</id>
	<title>40 sites per minute?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257677880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The real question is "Why do these same prosecutors allow so many child porn sites to exist?" Because it's easier to pursue innocent victims?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real question is " Why do these same prosecutors allow so many child porn sites to exist ?
" Because it 's easier to pursue innocent victims ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real question is "Why do these same prosecutors allow so many child porn sites to exist?
" Because it's easier to pursue innocent victims?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30038346</id>
	<title>Re:Flying the false flag</title>
	<author>clone53421</author>
	<datestamp>1257761760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It is a crime in the United States to even view an image of Child Pornography.</p></div><p>Why? Because, ZOMG, he might <em>enjoy</em> it? You're inside his head, so you get to make it a crime based on what he's thinking. Totally not a thought crime, nope.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is a crime in the United States to even view an image of Child Pornography.Why ?
Because , ZOMG , he might enjoy it ?
You 're inside his head , so you get to make it a crime based on what he 's thinking .
Totally not a thought crime , nope .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is a crime in the United States to even view an image of Child Pornography.Why?
Because, ZOMG, he might enjoy it?
You're inside his head, so you get to make it a crime based on what he's thinking.
Totally not a thought crime, nope.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025940</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30027358</id>
	<title>Re:This guy was lucky.</title>
	<author>deodiaus2</author>
	<datestamp>1257689640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am surprised that the malware did not erase itself after about populating the files with stuff.  What sort of idiot would not think of adding that feature it its repertoire?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am surprised that the malware did not erase itself after about populating the files with stuff .
What sort of idiot would not think of adding that feature it its repertoire ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am surprised that the malware did not erase itself after about populating the files with stuff.
What sort of idiot would not think of adding that feature it its repertoire?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025476</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30030236</id>
	<title>Acai Berry Detox</title>
	<author>desireable</author>
	<datestamp>1257760920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Associated Press tells the story of Michael Fiola, a former Massachusetts government employee who was arrested in 2007 after child porn was found on his state-issued laptop computer. He was eventually cleared of all charges after some digging by the defense found that the laptop was infected with malware that was 'programmed to visit as many as 40 child porn sites per minute &mdash; an inhuman feat. While Fiola and his wife were out to dinner one night, someone logged on to the computer and porn flowed in for an hour and a half. Prosecutors performed another test and confirmed the defense findings. The charge was dropped &mdash; 11 months after it was filed.' The article also discusses the technical aspects of how it could happen and about similar cases in the United Kingdom in 2003.


<a href="http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=2191764" title="goarticles.com" rel="nofollow">Acai Berry Detox</a> [goarticles.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Associated Press tells the story of Michael Fiola , a former Massachusetts government employee who was arrested in 2007 after child porn was found on his state-issued laptop computer .
He was eventually cleared of all charges after some digging by the defense found that the laptop was infected with malware that was 'programmed to visit as many as 40 child porn sites per minute    an inhuman feat .
While Fiola and his wife were out to dinner one night , someone logged on to the computer and porn flowed in for an hour and a half .
Prosecutors performed another test and confirmed the defense findings .
The charge was dropped    11 months after it was filed .
' The article also discusses the technical aspects of how it could happen and about similar cases in the United Kingdom in 2003 .
Acai Berry Detox [ goarticles.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Associated Press tells the story of Michael Fiola, a former Massachusetts government employee who was arrested in 2007 after child porn was found on his state-issued laptop computer.
He was eventually cleared of all charges after some digging by the defense found that the laptop was infected with malware that was 'programmed to visit as many as 40 child porn sites per minute — an inhuman feat.
While Fiola and his wife were out to dinner one night, someone logged on to the computer and porn flowed in for an hour and a half.
Prosecutors performed another test and confirmed the defense findings.
The charge was dropped — 11 months after it was filed.
' The article also discusses the technical aspects of how it could happen and about similar cases in the United Kingdom in 2003.
Acai Berry Detox [goarticles.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026144</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257682020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously, he's trying to get child porn.  Maybe the malware writer has a stable job, family, etc.  He doesn't want to risk getting caught, so he gets his victim to download child porn for him.  The malware writer can also store his collection on the victim's computer.</p><p>So whenever he wants to see his collection, he just logs in and views it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously , he 's trying to get child porn .
Maybe the malware writer has a stable job , family , etc .
He does n't want to risk getting caught , so he gets his victim to download child porn for him .
The malware writer can also store his collection on the victim 's computer.So whenever he wants to see his collection , he just logs in and views it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously, he's trying to get child porn.
Maybe the malware writer has a stable job, family, etc.
He doesn't want to risk getting caught, so he gets his victim to download child porn for him.
The malware writer can also store his collection on the victim's computer.So whenever he wants to see his collection, he just logs in and views it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025892</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026308</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257683100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It may be simply a case of the compromised box being used as an ftp site.</p><p>The malware simply transfers whatever files its targeted to find to your box.  Others who go to pay sites or private group chats get a link to the the ftp for download.  It is actually a pretty common and widespread hack.  And don't think that you will find the files by simply looking at the file extensions.  Typically the file names are obfuscated on upload and named correctly as necessary on the fly.  Further the files often get buried in your windows system sub directories amongst the cryptic crap that microsoft and other legitimate vendors stick there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It may be simply a case of the compromised box being used as an ftp site.The malware simply transfers whatever files its targeted to find to your box .
Others who go to pay sites or private group chats get a link to the the ftp for download .
It is actually a pretty common and widespread hack .
And do n't think that you will find the files by simply looking at the file extensions .
Typically the file names are obfuscated on upload and named correctly as necessary on the fly .
Further the files often get buried in your windows system sub directories amongst the cryptic crap that microsoft and other legitimate vendors stick there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It may be simply a case of the compromised box being used as an ftp site.The malware simply transfers whatever files its targeted to find to your box.
Others who go to pay sites or private group chats get a link to the the ftp for download.
It is actually a pretty common and widespread hack.
And don't think that you will find the files by simply looking at the file extensions.
Typically the file names are obfuscated on upload and named correctly as necessary on the fly.
Further the files often get buried in your windows system sub directories amongst the cryptic crap that microsoft and other legitimate vendors stick there.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025892</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026216</id>
	<title>This is what happens.......</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257682500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>........when you let the government decide that certain types of data are <b>illegal</b> to even possess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>........when you let the government decide that certain types of data are illegal to even possess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>........when you let the government decide that certain types of data are illegal to even possess.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025570</id>
	<title>perhaps it downloaded...</title>
	<author>weirdo557</author>
	<datestamp>1257678000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>perhaps it just tried to cache 4chan</htmltext>
<tokenext>perhaps it just tried to cache 4chan</tokentext>
<sentencetext>perhaps it just tried to cache 4chan</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025962</id>
	<title>This should be interesting in Sweden...</title>
	<author>Jugalator</author>
	<datestamp>1257680880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... and the possibly upcoming law now, making it illegal to WATCH child porn. No, not consume it or otherwise support pedophile circles, merely watch it.</p><p>It's exactly these things that make me against that law. Sure, you'll probably easily explain it if it really did happen to you, but what if the search warrant was about something else? "Oh, look, he had child porn on his computer too, besides all this movie piracy." Where both can be a result of low computer security and a hijacked WiFi connection, neither of which being illegal to have. It's so sad when we sidestep common sense with laws like this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... and the possibly upcoming law now , making it illegal to WATCH child porn .
No , not consume it or otherwise support pedophile circles , merely watch it.It 's exactly these things that make me against that law .
Sure , you 'll probably easily explain it if it really did happen to you , but what if the search warrant was about something else ?
" Oh , look , he had child porn on his computer too , besides all this movie piracy .
" Where both can be a result of low computer security and a hijacked WiFi connection , neither of which being illegal to have .
It 's so sad when we sidestep common sense with laws like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and the possibly upcoming law now, making it illegal to WATCH child porn.
No, not consume it or otherwise support pedophile circles, merely watch it.It's exactly these things that make me against that law.
Sure, you'll probably easily explain it if it really did happen to you, but what if the search warrant was about something else?
"Oh, look, he had child porn on his computer too, besides all this movie piracy.
" Where both can be a result of low computer security and a hijacked WiFi connection, neither of which being illegal to have.
It's so sad when we sidestep common sense with laws like this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30044162</id>
	<title>The most objectionable truth</title>
	<author>Ceriel Nosforit</author>
	<datestamp>1257858180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This can now be used as an excuse if someone is caught.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This can now be used as an excuse if someone is caught .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This can now be used as an excuse if someone is caught.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026206</id>
	<title>MOD PARENT UP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257682440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not, that would be consistent with giving you mod rights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not , that would be consistent with giving you mod rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not, that would be consistent with giving you mod rights.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026062</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026572</id>
	<title>Re:Flying the false flag</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1257684540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One may as well make it illegal to...</p><p>LOSE THE GAME!!!!</p><p>Those of you who know what the hell I'm talking about, you will understand that criminalizing people over something they have no control over is ludicrous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One may as well make it illegal to...LOSE THE GAME ! ! !
! Those of you who know what the hell I 'm talking about , you will understand that criminalizing people over something they have no control over is ludicrous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One may as well make it illegal to...LOSE THE GAME!!!
!Those of you who know what the hell I'm talking about, you will understand that criminalizing people over something they have no control over is ludicrous.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025940</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30038880</id>
	<title>And there we go.</title>
	<author>chaboud</author>
	<datestamp>1257763920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This, folks, is why treating ownership of information as an illegal act is inherently flawed.  Exploiting/molesting children?  Yeah, that's a crime.  Funding that exploitation?  That could be a slippery slope, but, at its core, sure, it's a crime.  Possessing the products of that exploitation?  If you make it a crime, you'll run into this.</p><p>It is <b>completely</b> unreasonable to make the possession of a particular type of information illegal if you fairly consider the implications.  This type of law is both dangerous and fruitless.  It's friggin' data.  Even if it were put down on paper, photocopiers would make it almost infinitely reproducible.  When it's electronic, it can be replicated at an absurd rate.</p><p>It's like criminalizing glass pipes because they could be used to smoke pot (whichever way you sit on smoking pot, just let this go for a sec).  If you do this, you start down a road of harassing people for having wood pipes, then toy pipes, then things that look like pipes, then lumps in their pockets.  If you wanted to stop the use of pot, go after the source.</p><p>We can't get to the people producing this sort of media and committing these crimes, so we try to get to the people who have it in some sort of scorched-earth approach to the problem?  This can only end badly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This , folks , is why treating ownership of information as an illegal act is inherently flawed .
Exploiting/molesting children ?
Yeah , that 's a crime .
Funding that exploitation ?
That could be a slippery slope , but , at its core , sure , it 's a crime .
Possessing the products of that exploitation ?
If you make it a crime , you 'll run into this.It is completely unreasonable to make the possession of a particular type of information illegal if you fairly consider the implications .
This type of law is both dangerous and fruitless .
It 's friggin ' data .
Even if it were put down on paper , photocopiers would make it almost infinitely reproducible .
When it 's electronic , it can be replicated at an absurd rate.It 's like criminalizing glass pipes because they could be used to smoke pot ( whichever way you sit on smoking pot , just let this go for a sec ) .
If you do this , you start down a road of harassing people for having wood pipes , then toy pipes , then things that look like pipes , then lumps in their pockets .
If you wanted to stop the use of pot , go after the source.We ca n't get to the people producing this sort of media and committing these crimes , so we try to get to the people who have it in some sort of scorched-earth approach to the problem ?
This can only end badly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This, folks, is why treating ownership of information as an illegal act is inherently flawed.
Exploiting/molesting children?
Yeah, that's a crime.
Funding that exploitation?
That could be a slippery slope, but, at its core, sure, it's a crime.
Possessing the products of that exploitation?
If you make it a crime, you'll run into this.It is completely unreasonable to make the possession of a particular type of information illegal if you fairly consider the implications.
This type of law is both dangerous and fruitless.
It's friggin' data.
Even if it were put down on paper, photocopiers would make it almost infinitely reproducible.
When it's electronic, it can be replicated at an absurd rate.It's like criminalizing glass pipes because they could be used to smoke pot (whichever way you sit on smoking pot, just let this go for a sec).
If you do this, you start down a road of harassing people for having wood pipes, then toy pipes, then things that look like pipes, then lumps in their pockets.
If you wanted to stop the use of pot, go after the source.We can't get to the people producing this sort of media and committing these crimes, so we try to get to the people who have it in some sort of scorched-earth approach to the problem?
This can only end badly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025480</id>
	<title>Great! He's cleared!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257677460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Too bad his life is already ruined beyond repair.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad his life is already ruined beyond repair .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad his life is already ruined beyond repair.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30044156</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257858120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not really a coward, just too lazy to try and remember or find the password!</p><p>HOWEVER! Why would you even publicize the fact that Malware can do this? Why encourage these creeps to entertain the thought of child porn!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not really a coward , just too lazy to try and remember or find the password ! HOWEVER !
Why would you even publicize the fact that Malware can do this ?
Why encourage these creeps to entertain the thought of child porn ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not really a coward, just too lazy to try and remember or find the password!HOWEVER!
Why would you even publicize the fact that Malware can do this?
Why encourage these creeps to entertain the thought of child porn!!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30027346</id>
	<title>Distrubuted, untracable network</title>
	<author>rsilvergun</author>
	<datestamp>1257689520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if you're selling the stuff online, you use the cloud as your web hosting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>if you 're selling the stuff online , you use the cloud as your web hosting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you're selling the stuff online, you use the cloud as your web hosting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025892</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30030696</id>
	<title>Re:So now what</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1257766560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's a touch kinder and gentler than the days of the (Un)Holy Inquisition where if you drowned you were innocent and if you didn't they'd burn you</p></div><p>Not really. At least when you drown you've only got 5 minutes, and being burned probably about 10. This guy (and anyone else in this situation) has to live with it until he hangs himself in a motel room, overdoses on heroin, drinks bleach, or slits his own wrists.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a touch kinder and gentler than the days of the ( Un ) Holy Inquisition where if you drowned you were innocent and if you did n't they 'd burn youNot really .
At least when you drown you 've only got 5 minutes , and being burned probably about 10 .
This guy ( and anyone else in this situation ) has to live with it until he hangs himself in a motel room , overdoses on heroin , drinks bleach , or slits his own wrists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a touch kinder and gentler than the days of the (Un)Holy Inquisition where if you drowned you were innocent and if you didn't they'd burn youNot really.
At least when you drown you've only got 5 minutes, and being burned probably about 10.
This guy (and anyone else in this situation) has to live with it until he hangs himself in a motel room, overdoses on heroin, drinks bleach, or slits his own wrists.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025916</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026134</id>
	<title>Re:40 sites per minute?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257681960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is scary. From what I understand it is illegal to be in possession of drawn child porn in Sweden which would mean that nearly everybody who has every watched hentai on their computer (most hentai have at least a token loli character) or similar would be guilty. Fortunately the law has never been used as far as I know but it is still scary. Posting AC because I've moderated in this thread.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is scary .
From what I understand it is illegal to be in possession of drawn child porn in Sweden which would mean that nearly everybody who has every watched hentai on their computer ( most hentai have at least a token loli character ) or similar would be guilty .
Fortunately the law has never been used as far as I know but it is still scary .
Posting AC because I 've moderated in this thread .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is scary.
From what I understand it is illegal to be in possession of drawn child porn in Sweden which would mean that nearly everybody who has every watched hentai on their computer (most hentai have at least a token loli character) or similar would be guilty.
Fortunately the law has never been used as far as I know but it is still scary.
Posting AC because I've moderated in this thread.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025592</id>
	<title>Pedophilia has a NEW GO-TO Excuse</title>
	<author>Derpnooner</author>
	<datestamp>1257678180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>John Stossel and his crew better be getting into shape for the upcoming child-porn craze that will be hitting the streets.

Pedophiles make Nazi-Zombies seem "nice," and "tolerable."</htmltext>
<tokenext>John Stossel and his crew better be getting into shape for the upcoming child-porn craze that will be hitting the streets .
Pedophiles make Nazi-Zombies seem " nice , " and " tolerable .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>John Stossel and his crew better be getting into shape for the upcoming child-porn craze that will be hitting the streets.
Pedophiles make Nazi-Zombies seem "nice," and "tolerable.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025948</id>
	<title>Blurring the lines</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1257680760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Computer malware could screw badly your REAL life. It should be a real example to show to people that aren't concerned about security, uses insecure practices/browsers/operating systems/whatever.<br><br>Probably is the most convincing scenario until a computer virus manage to infect and kill real people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Computer malware could screw badly your REAL life .
It should be a real example to show to people that are n't concerned about security , uses insecure practices/browsers/operating systems/whatever.Probably is the most convincing scenario until a computer virus manage to infect and kill real people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Computer malware could screw badly your REAL life.
It should be a real example to show to people that aren't concerned about security, uses insecure practices/browsers/operating systems/whatever.Probably is the most convincing scenario until a computer virus manage to infect and kill real people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025910</id>
	<title>What if...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257680580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the accused was just a really dedicated pedophile and downloaded a program from his buddies that allowed him to circumvent all the tedious typing and clicking.  Turn your laptop on, do your other legitimate business of the day, and then enjoy the benefits of your application at your leisure.  Unless I missed it, I didn't see where they mentioned finding duplicates of this program replicating itself across a network, or evidence of a security breach on that computer which coincided with the installation of that program.</p><p>I'm not saying he did it, but shouldn't we consider the possibility that he was just a technically literate pedophile?  I open up Opera, click on all of my "Speed Dial" favorites and then go get a snack.  When I come back I start browsing all my favorite blogs and online news sites and such.  What if he's just one step ahead of people like me?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the accused was just a really dedicated pedophile and downloaded a program from his buddies that allowed him to circumvent all the tedious typing and clicking .
Turn your laptop on , do your other legitimate business of the day , and then enjoy the benefits of your application at your leisure .
Unless I missed it , I did n't see where they mentioned finding duplicates of this program replicating itself across a network , or evidence of a security breach on that computer which coincided with the installation of that program.I 'm not saying he did it , but should n't we consider the possibility that he was just a technically literate pedophile ?
I open up Opera , click on all of my " Speed Dial " favorites and then go get a snack .
When I come back I start browsing all my favorite blogs and online news sites and such .
What if he 's just one step ahead of people like me ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the accused was just a really dedicated pedophile and downloaded a program from his buddies that allowed him to circumvent all the tedious typing and clicking.
Turn your laptop on, do your other legitimate business of the day, and then enjoy the benefits of your application at your leisure.
Unless I missed it, I didn't see where they mentioned finding duplicates of this program replicating itself across a network, or evidence of a security breach on that computer which coincided with the installation of that program.I'm not saying he did it, but shouldn't we consider the possibility that he was just a technically literate pedophile?
I open up Opera, click on all of my "Speed Dial" favorites and then go get a snack.
When I come back I start browsing all my favorite blogs and online news sites and such.
What if he's just one step ahead of people like me?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026956</id>
	<title>Re:The Perfect Frame</title>
	<author>pizza\_milkshake</author>
	<datestamp>1257686940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beachhead" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beachhead</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beachhead [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beachhead [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025984</id>
	<title>Frameware? More like Plausible Deniability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257681000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, someone got framed and is cleared of all charges. Which is good.</p><p>But, leaving the fun application of ruining peoples lifes forever using a simple piece of software aside: Personally, if I'd be a terribly evil fan of cp (which I'm not, dear FBI), I'd be searching the Internet for this exact piece of malware RIGHT NOW. Someone finds cp on your harddrive? Simple, "Yeh well, search my computer" and give your lawyer the "hint" that your PC might be infested with "malware" - get out of jail free card!</p><p>This exact case presents quite a good precedence for using this excuse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , someone got framed and is cleared of all charges .
Which is good.But , leaving the fun application of ruining peoples lifes forever using a simple piece of software aside : Personally , if I 'd be a terribly evil fan of cp ( which I 'm not , dear FBI ) , I 'd be searching the Internet for this exact piece of malware RIGHT NOW .
Someone finds cp on your harddrive ?
Simple , " Yeh well , search my computer " and give your lawyer the " hint " that your PC might be infested with " malware " - get out of jail free card ! This exact case presents quite a good precedence for using this excuse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, someone got framed and is cleared of all charges.
Which is good.But, leaving the fun application of ruining peoples lifes forever using a simple piece of software aside: Personally, if I'd be a terribly evil fan of cp (which I'm not, dear FBI), I'd be searching the Internet for this exact piece of malware RIGHT NOW.
Someone finds cp on your harddrive?
Simple, "Yeh well, search my computer" and give your lawyer the "hint" that your PC might be infested with "malware" - get out of jail free card!This exact case presents quite a good precedence for using this excuse.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025924</id>
	<title>Re:The Perfect Frame</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257680640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good Lord, man, THINK of the CHILDREN. Or maybe you're a perv too?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good Lord , man , THINK of the CHILDREN .
Or maybe you 're a perv too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good Lord, man, THINK of the CHILDREN.
Or maybe you're a perv too?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025582</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30028076</id>
	<title>Re:Great! He's cleared!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257695520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He could sue for massive compensation if he was using commercial OS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He could sue for massive compensation if he was using commercial OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He could sue for massive compensation if he was using commercial OS.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025480</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30027102</id>
	<title>Maybe this WAS the intent.</title>
	<author>GrubLord</author>
	<datestamp>1257687720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps some shadowy vigilante is trying to highlight the problems with this guilty-until-proven-innocent system, by infecting high-profile targets and causing as much of a media circus as possible.

Presumably, if enough politicians got thrown in jail for no reason, some momentum might build up towards curtailing the excesses of this law-enforcement-gone-mad, and America's children wouldn't have to worry about losing their fathers due to an internet virus, or getting tossed in the slammer themselves for 'sexting' underwear-pics of themselves to their boyfriends.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps some shadowy vigilante is trying to highlight the problems with this guilty-until-proven-innocent system , by infecting high-profile targets and causing as much of a media circus as possible .
Presumably , if enough politicians got thrown in jail for no reason , some momentum might build up towards curtailing the excesses of this law-enforcement-gone-mad , and America 's children would n't have to worry about losing their fathers due to an internet virus , or getting tossed in the slammer themselves for 'sexting ' underwear-pics of themselves to their boyfriends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps some shadowy vigilante is trying to highlight the problems with this guilty-until-proven-innocent system, by infecting high-profile targets and causing as much of a media circus as possible.
Presumably, if enough politicians got thrown in jail for no reason, some momentum might build up towards curtailing the excesses of this law-enforcement-gone-mad, and America's children wouldn't have to worry about losing their fathers due to an internet virus, or getting tossed in the slammer themselves for 'sexting' underwear-pics of themselves to their boyfriends.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025892</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025582</id>
	<title>The Perfect Frame</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1257678120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Think Fred might beat you to that promotion? Think your wife was a bit too friendly toward Bob at the party? Think Doctor Franzhaufer gave you an unfair grade? Don't like your new uppity neighbor?</p><p>Download child pornography to their computers. Sure, they'll whine about their "rights" and their "innocence", but who's going to believe a creepy pervert? Even if the faggy liberal court lets him off on some technicality, his career will be ruined, his friends will leave him, and he'll probably end up shooting himself.</p><p>You win, right? You showed him who's boss.</p><p>--</p><p>This country is losing all its marbles at once Among our other problems, we're engaging in a good old-fashioned witch hunt against child pornographers. No accusation is too specious, nor any policy too draconian. Never mind if due process rights are bulldozed, and people who've served out their sentences are branded for life and forced to live under overpasses. Never mind that the beachheld of practically all Internet censorship schemes has been combating child pornography. Never mind the culture of fear that can justify anything.</p><p>At least we're getting those evil-doers, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Think Fred might beat you to that promotion ?
Think your wife was a bit too friendly toward Bob at the party ?
Think Doctor Franzhaufer gave you an unfair grade ?
Do n't like your new uppity neighbor ? Download child pornography to their computers .
Sure , they 'll whine about their " rights " and their " innocence " , but who 's going to believe a creepy pervert ?
Even if the faggy liberal court lets him off on some technicality , his career will be ruined , his friends will leave him , and he 'll probably end up shooting himself.You win , right ?
You showed him who 's boss.--This country is losing all its marbles at once Among our other problems , we 're engaging in a good old-fashioned witch hunt against child pornographers .
No accusation is too specious , nor any policy too draconian .
Never mind if due process rights are bulldozed , and people who 've served out their sentences are branded for life and forced to live under overpasses .
Never mind that the beachheld of practically all Internet censorship schemes has been combating child pornography .
Never mind the culture of fear that can justify anything.At least we 're getting those evil-doers , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think Fred might beat you to that promotion?
Think your wife was a bit too friendly toward Bob at the party?
Think Doctor Franzhaufer gave you an unfair grade?
Don't like your new uppity neighbor?Download child pornography to their computers.
Sure, they'll whine about their "rights" and their "innocence", but who's going to believe a creepy pervert?
Even if the faggy liberal court lets him off on some technicality, his career will be ruined, his friends will leave him, and he'll probably end up shooting himself.You win, right?
You showed him who's boss.--This country is losing all its marbles at once Among our other problems, we're engaging in a good old-fashioned witch hunt against child pornographers.
No accusation is too specious, nor any policy too draconian.
Never mind if due process rights are bulldozed, and people who've served out their sentences are branded for life and forced to live under overpasses.
Never mind that the beachheld of practically all Internet censorship schemes has been combating child pornography.
Never mind the culture of fear that can justify anything.At least we're getting those evil-doers, right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30030340</id>
	<title>He's not the only one...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257762120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see several people talking about how "gross" that guy is and maybe he "intentionally put the bot on his computer" and I thought that maybe I should put my 2 cents into this discussion since the same thing happened to me several years ago.  I was charged with Possession of Child Pornography and I didn't do it.  I didn't even know stuff like that existed, much less that it was on my computer.</p><p>I was a guy that always had fun hanging out with my friends and since I was one of the first ones to finish college and get a 'real' job, I was also the first one out of all of my friends to afford nice toys.  Like a Flat-screen TV, every video game system, workout equipment, and a nice, fast computer.  Friends came and went all the time.  People may say I'm too trustworthy and I guess I wasn't thinking, but most of my friends had keys to my apartment along with my roommates.  I'm sure you can figure out where this is going.</p><p>One day I get back from what was a 5 day party/drinking-binge with one of my friends who was going to college in another city a few hours away, and I notice that my apartment is messier than usual.  I didn't think much about it at first but then I notice that my PC is gone.  So I call my roommate and asked him if he borrowed it for a LAN party or something?  (yea, that's how ridiculously lax I was with my friends) and he said no.  Then on my PC desk, I noticed a detective's business card and a search warrant describing what they came to search for (they came sometime that morning and guess what they were looking for?) and what they took (PC stuff like HD's etc) and that they wanted to talk to me.  I kind of did that whole out-of-body experience thing that people talk about where you don't really think this is happening to you and you get all numb and it almost feels like you're "watching yourself".</p><p>I can microscopically explain every detail of the whole ordeal, because even though I try, I will never forget it.  But to make a long story short - I was eventually arrested and charged.  My name was on the news in my local community and on the radio as well.  The law enforcement went to my work and questioned my boss about how much "access to children" I had.  (I never worked with kids so therefore I had "no access to children") but nonetheless I lost my job.  There were even some people (old ladies who didn't personally know me) who wrote to the local paper asking the editor "why do they even give people charged with crimes like that out on bail?".  I remember thinking "This can't be happening" and that someone's gonna come out and say it was all a joke like in the movie 'The Game' with Michael Douglas.  I just couldn't believe it.  I mean... I WAS INNOCENT and people were already condemning me for something I didn't even know existed.</p><p>At first I thought that the prosecutor would realize it was a mistake and apologize or something, but my lawyer sort of brought me to "reality" when he basically told me that I was DEFINITELY going to go to prison and that I was DEFINITELY going to have to register as a sex offender at least for several years after prison and possibly for the rest of my life.  He was just trying to reduce the prison sentence and see what else he could do.  He told me that since I was being charged with this crime there was no way in the world that I would "get off" despite not having any criminal record.</p><p>When the realization set in that my life was pretty much over... it got really bad.  I felt as though my entire life up to this point was done and everything I ever worked for was over.  I basically boarded myself up in the spare room at my parents home.  It really felt as though the villagers were outside my Mom's house with pitchforks and torches just waiting to lynch me.  I couldn't sleep.  I couldn't eat.  I lost 30\% of my body weight in a matter of a couple weeks.  I thought about suicide constantly... and every time I did I would begin crying.  I would begin crying not because I was scared, but because I knew I wasn't thinking about suicide in a "passing thought</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see several people talking about how " gross " that guy is and maybe he " intentionally put the bot on his computer " and I thought that maybe I should put my 2 cents into this discussion since the same thing happened to me several years ago .
I was charged with Possession of Child Pornography and I did n't do it .
I did n't even know stuff like that existed , much less that it was on my computer.I was a guy that always had fun hanging out with my friends and since I was one of the first ones to finish college and get a 'real ' job , I was also the first one out of all of my friends to afford nice toys .
Like a Flat-screen TV , every video game system , workout equipment , and a nice , fast computer .
Friends came and went all the time .
People may say I 'm too trustworthy and I guess I was n't thinking , but most of my friends had keys to my apartment along with my roommates .
I 'm sure you can figure out where this is going.One day I get back from what was a 5 day party/drinking-binge with one of my friends who was going to college in another city a few hours away , and I notice that my apartment is messier than usual .
I did n't think much about it at first but then I notice that my PC is gone .
So I call my roommate and asked him if he borrowed it for a LAN party or something ?
( yea , that 's how ridiculously lax I was with my friends ) and he said no .
Then on my PC desk , I noticed a detective 's business card and a search warrant describing what they came to search for ( they came sometime that morning and guess what they were looking for ?
) and what they took ( PC stuff like HD 's etc ) and that they wanted to talk to me .
I kind of did that whole out-of-body experience thing that people talk about where you do n't really think this is happening to you and you get all numb and it almost feels like you 're " watching yourself " .I can microscopically explain every detail of the whole ordeal , because even though I try , I will never forget it .
But to make a long story short - I was eventually arrested and charged .
My name was on the news in my local community and on the radio as well .
The law enforcement went to my work and questioned my boss about how much " access to children " I had .
( I never worked with kids so therefore I had " no access to children " ) but nonetheless I lost my job .
There were even some people ( old ladies who did n't personally know me ) who wrote to the local paper asking the editor " why do they even give people charged with crimes like that out on bail ? " .
I remember thinking " This ca n't be happening " and that someone 's gon na come out and say it was all a joke like in the movie 'The Game ' with Michael Douglas .
I just could n't believe it .
I mean... I WAS INNOCENT and people were already condemning me for something I did n't even know existed.At first I thought that the prosecutor would realize it was a mistake and apologize or something , but my lawyer sort of brought me to " reality " when he basically told me that I was DEFINITELY going to go to prison and that I was DEFINITELY going to have to register as a sex offender at least for several years after prison and possibly for the rest of my life .
He was just trying to reduce the prison sentence and see what else he could do .
He told me that since I was being charged with this crime there was no way in the world that I would " get off " despite not having any criminal record.When the realization set in that my life was pretty much over... it got really bad .
I felt as though my entire life up to this point was done and everything I ever worked for was over .
I basically boarded myself up in the spare room at my parents home .
It really felt as though the villagers were outside my Mom 's house with pitchforks and torches just waiting to lynch me .
I could n't sleep .
I could n't eat .
I lost 30 \ % of my body weight in a matter of a couple weeks .
I thought about suicide constantly... and every time I did I would begin crying .
I would begin crying not because I was scared , but because I knew I was n't thinking about suicide in a " passing thought</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see several people talking about how "gross" that guy is and maybe he "intentionally put the bot on his computer" and I thought that maybe I should put my 2 cents into this discussion since the same thing happened to me several years ago.
I was charged with Possession of Child Pornography and I didn't do it.
I didn't even know stuff like that existed, much less that it was on my computer.I was a guy that always had fun hanging out with my friends and since I was one of the first ones to finish college and get a 'real' job, I was also the first one out of all of my friends to afford nice toys.
Like a Flat-screen TV, every video game system, workout equipment, and a nice, fast computer.
Friends came and went all the time.
People may say I'm too trustworthy and I guess I wasn't thinking, but most of my friends had keys to my apartment along with my roommates.
I'm sure you can figure out where this is going.One day I get back from what was a 5 day party/drinking-binge with one of my friends who was going to college in another city a few hours away, and I notice that my apartment is messier than usual.
I didn't think much about it at first but then I notice that my PC is gone.
So I call my roommate and asked him if he borrowed it for a LAN party or something?
(yea, that's how ridiculously lax I was with my friends) and he said no.
Then on my PC desk, I noticed a detective's business card and a search warrant describing what they came to search for (they came sometime that morning and guess what they were looking for?
) and what they took (PC stuff like HD's etc) and that they wanted to talk to me.
I kind of did that whole out-of-body experience thing that people talk about where you don't really think this is happening to you and you get all numb and it almost feels like you're "watching yourself".I can microscopically explain every detail of the whole ordeal, because even though I try, I will never forget it.
But to make a long story short - I was eventually arrested and charged.
My name was on the news in my local community and on the radio as well.
The law enforcement went to my work and questioned my boss about how much "access to children" I had.
(I never worked with kids so therefore I had "no access to children") but nonetheless I lost my job.
There were even some people (old ladies who didn't personally know me) who wrote to the local paper asking the editor "why do they even give people charged with crimes like that out on bail?".
I remember thinking "This can't be happening" and that someone's gonna come out and say it was all a joke like in the movie 'The Game' with Michael Douglas.
I just couldn't believe it.
I mean... I WAS INNOCENT and people were already condemning me for something I didn't even know existed.At first I thought that the prosecutor would realize it was a mistake and apologize or something, but my lawyer sort of brought me to "reality" when he basically told me that I was DEFINITELY going to go to prison and that I was DEFINITELY going to have to register as a sex offender at least for several years after prison and possibly for the rest of my life.
He was just trying to reduce the prison sentence and see what else he could do.
He told me that since I was being charged with this crime there was no way in the world that I would "get off" despite not having any criminal record.When the realization set in that my life was pretty much over... it got really bad.
I felt as though my entire life up to this point was done and everything I ever worked for was over.
I basically boarded myself up in the spare room at my parents home.
It really felt as though the villagers were outside my Mom's house with pitchforks and torches just waiting to lynch me.
I couldn't sleep.
I couldn't eat.
I lost 30\% of my body weight in a matter of a couple weeks.
I thought about suicide constantly... and every time I did I would begin crying.
I would begin crying not because I was scared, but because I knew I wasn't thinking about suicide in a "passing thought</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026076</id>
	<title>An inhuman feat...</title>
	<author>Nux'd</author>
	<datestamp>1257681480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...so of course he's innocent.</p><p>What if he intentionally contracted this 'malware'? It seems to do a good job of diverting the blame.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...so of course he 's innocent.What if he intentionally contracted this 'malware ' ?
It seems to do a good job of diverting the blame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...so of course he's innocent.What if he intentionally contracted this 'malware'?
It seems to do a good job of diverting the blame.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026816</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257686220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just because you can't think of a reason why someone might do it doesn't mean a reason doesn't exist to do it. Maybe the script downloaded the stuff from foreign servers that were really slow and this was a fast way to access it. Maybe the person infecting his machine wanted to avoid his IP address being in the logs of the server. Maybe it was being used along with Apache as a server to redistribute it. Maybe<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....  you could do this for a while. Point is that someone did it. Be it was done to frame the guy (most likely) or as a proxy-like fast access server to sites this guy visited frequently or something else. It isn't that hard to believe. Even if 1\% paedophiles are technical users that means this stuff is LIKELY to come up from time to time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because you ca n't think of a reason why someone might do it does n't mean a reason does n't exist to do it .
Maybe the script downloaded the stuff from foreign servers that were really slow and this was a fast way to access it .
Maybe the person infecting his machine wanted to avoid his IP address being in the logs of the server .
Maybe it was being used along with Apache as a server to redistribute it .
Maybe .... you could do this for a while .
Point is that someone did it .
Be it was done to frame the guy ( most likely ) or as a proxy-like fast access server to sites this guy visited frequently or something else .
It is n't that hard to believe .
Even if 1 \ % paedophiles are technical users that means this stuff is LIKELY to come up from time to time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because you can't think of a reason why someone might do it doesn't mean a reason doesn't exist to do it.
Maybe the script downloaded the stuff from foreign servers that were really slow and this was a fast way to access it.
Maybe the person infecting his machine wanted to avoid his IP address being in the logs of the server.
Maybe it was being used along with Apache as a server to redistribute it.
Maybe ....  you could do this for a while.
Point is that someone did it.
Be it was done to frame the guy (most likely) or as a proxy-like fast access server to sites this guy visited frequently or something else.
It isn't that hard to believe.
Even if 1\% paedophiles are technical users that means this stuff is LIKELY to come up from time to time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30028142</id>
	<title>Politics are the problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257696120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every problem is made worse by politics, not just because of those in the game but ALSO because the public is so easily suckered by techniques that wouldn't work on hardly any individual. "None of us are as stupid as ALL of us" is what I'm saying here.</p><p>An adult wanting to do stuff to kids is SICK IN THE HEAD. Its that simple.  What is hard is determining intent, some may look by mistake or are curious (but only the 1st time) these can be put into a mental treatment system and it will not harm them; if not "clear" them all together.  This would be more likely if we put the effort into the understanding situation instead of just blindly punishing the result (or potential results as is the case here.)  Being able to do brain scans looking at photos might be a possible test...</p><p>Now, for cultural BS-- that is a side issue. Where are the lines drawn etc. I had a friend who was married at 12 and had 6 kids by high school last I heard -- probably had more before she finished. In my state, her marriage was legit at 16 with parental consent. She couldn't do much about it, it was a traditionally arranged marriage by the parents at her birth; she didn't know him.  One could bash their culture... or impose this one upon them -- but where does one draw the line?</p><p>Naturally speaking, humans are "adults" when they can reproduce but we make rules based on our culture and have no real connection to the biology of the situation. So we fight our own nature; some can and some can not overcome it -- and just like nature, its analog. There is no exact decider for the same year for everybody or what physical traits makes 1 or another decide possible mates.  We had a few kids in school that could pass for 10 years older and a few look EXACTLY the same (older then, younger now.)</p><p>We've had a sicko in our extended family- he unfortunately got away completely (he had political connections) but his behavior was clearly some sort of power trip - control over his kids but not his wife; he was acting stuff out on them eventually ended sexually with physical abuse starting on his wife. It stopped before it got worse for her and the kids; but it would have gotten worse.  In a way, it was good-- because if he didn't express it somehow he could have just flipped 1 day and killed everybody or something like that.  Bad warning signs, yes; however, any warning is better than none.  BTW, he's lost his 2nd wife and kids repeating the pattern and we've not heard any details since that court case (which wanted the 1st fam to help with it.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every problem is made worse by politics , not just because of those in the game but ALSO because the public is so easily suckered by techniques that would n't work on hardly any individual .
" None of us are as stupid as ALL of us " is what I 'm saying here.An adult wanting to do stuff to kids is SICK IN THE HEAD .
Its that simple .
What is hard is determining intent , some may look by mistake or are curious ( but only the 1st time ) these can be put into a mental treatment system and it will not harm them ; if not " clear " them all together .
This would be more likely if we put the effort into the understanding situation instead of just blindly punishing the result ( or potential results as is the case here .
) Being able to do brain scans looking at photos might be a possible test...Now , for cultural BS-- that is a side issue .
Where are the lines drawn etc .
I had a friend who was married at 12 and had 6 kids by high school last I heard -- probably had more before she finished .
In my state , her marriage was legit at 16 with parental consent .
She could n't do much about it , it was a traditionally arranged marriage by the parents at her birth ; she did n't know him .
One could bash their culture... or impose this one upon them -- but where does one draw the line ? Naturally speaking , humans are " adults " when they can reproduce but we make rules based on our culture and have no real connection to the biology of the situation .
So we fight our own nature ; some can and some can not overcome it -- and just like nature , its analog .
There is no exact decider for the same year for everybody or what physical traits makes 1 or another decide possible mates .
We had a few kids in school that could pass for 10 years older and a few look EXACTLY the same ( older then , younger now .
) We 've had a sicko in our extended family- he unfortunately got away completely ( he had political connections ) but his behavior was clearly some sort of power trip - control over his kids but not his wife ; he was acting stuff out on them eventually ended sexually with physical abuse starting on his wife .
It stopped before it got worse for her and the kids ; but it would have gotten worse .
In a way , it was good-- because if he did n't express it somehow he could have just flipped 1 day and killed everybody or something like that .
Bad warning signs , yes ; however , any warning is better than none .
BTW , he 's lost his 2nd wife and kids repeating the pattern and we 've not heard any details since that court case ( which wanted the 1st fam to help with it .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every problem is made worse by politics, not just because of those in the game but ALSO because the public is so easily suckered by techniques that wouldn't work on hardly any individual.
"None of us are as stupid as ALL of us" is what I'm saying here.An adult wanting to do stuff to kids is SICK IN THE HEAD.
Its that simple.
What is hard is determining intent, some may look by mistake or are curious (but only the 1st time) these can be put into a mental treatment system and it will not harm them; if not "clear" them all together.
This would be more likely if we put the effort into the understanding situation instead of just blindly punishing the result (or potential results as is the case here.
)  Being able to do brain scans looking at photos might be a possible test...Now, for cultural BS-- that is a side issue.
Where are the lines drawn etc.
I had a friend who was married at 12 and had 6 kids by high school last I heard -- probably had more before she finished.
In my state, her marriage was legit at 16 with parental consent.
She couldn't do much about it, it was a traditionally arranged marriage by the parents at her birth; she didn't know him.
One could bash their culture... or impose this one upon them -- but where does one draw the line?Naturally speaking, humans are "adults" when they can reproduce but we make rules based on our culture and have no real connection to the biology of the situation.
So we fight our own nature; some can and some can not overcome it -- and just like nature, its analog.
There is no exact decider for the same year for everybody or what physical traits makes 1 or another decide possible mates.
We had a few kids in school that could pass for 10 years older and a few look EXACTLY the same (older then, younger now.
)We've had a sicko in our extended family- he unfortunately got away completely (he had political connections) but his behavior was clearly some sort of power trip - control over his kids but not his wife; he was acting stuff out on them eventually ended sexually with physical abuse starting on his wife.
It stopped before it got worse for her and the kids; but it would have gotten worse.
In a way, it was good-- because if he didn't express it somehow he could have just flipped 1 day and killed everybody or something like that.
Bad warning signs, yes; however, any warning is better than none.
BTW, he's lost his 2nd wife and kids repeating the pattern and we've not heard any details since that court case (which wanted the 1st fam to help with it.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30027738</id>
	<title>Re:This guy was lucky.</title>
	<author>jeric23</author>
	<datestamp>1257692460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Possession is nine tenths of the law.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Possession is nine tenths of the law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Possession is nine tenths of the law.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30029090</id>
	<title>Re:40 sites per minute?</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1257704220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my experience, category (2) is not any easier to find and is harder to successfully prosecute. The difference is that stories about it are much more common -- and with good reason. There should be coverage of cases that are pushing the boundaries of where laws can be applied. Also, media coverage is generally the result of someone fighting a charge, whereas most clear-cut cases of CP possession and distribution (some 90-95\%) are plea-bargained and uncontested. When someone from category (1) goes to jail, there may be a short segment on the local news or a brief article in the local paper -- more visible coverage only occurs if the crime was more egregious. When someone from category (2) goes to jail -- or doesn't -- it shows up in more major news, Slashdot, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my experience , category ( 2 ) is not any easier to find and is harder to successfully prosecute .
The difference is that stories about it are much more common -- and with good reason .
There should be coverage of cases that are pushing the boundaries of where laws can be applied .
Also , media coverage is generally the result of someone fighting a charge , whereas most clear-cut cases of CP possession and distribution ( some 90-95 \ % ) are plea-bargained and uncontested .
When someone from category ( 1 ) goes to jail , there may be a short segment on the local news or a brief article in the local paper -- more visible coverage only occurs if the crime was more egregious .
When someone from category ( 2 ) goes to jail -- or does n't -- it shows up in more major news , Slashdot , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my experience, category (2) is not any easier to find and is harder to successfully prosecute.
The difference is that stories about it are much more common -- and with good reason.
There should be coverage of cases that are pushing the boundaries of where laws can be applied.
Also, media coverage is generally the result of someone fighting a charge, whereas most clear-cut cases of CP possession and distribution (some 90-95\%) are plea-bargained and uncontested.
When someone from category (1) goes to jail, there may be a short segment on the local news or a brief article in the local paper -- more visible coverage only occurs if the crime was more egregious.
When someone from category (2) goes to jail -- or doesn't -- it shows up in more major news, Slashdot, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30029018</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>Caraig</author>
	<datestamp>1257703560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's possible this was a public way to do a proof-of-concept.  Showing it's possible to invisibly implicate someone, and, if not erase ALL evidence it was a frame job, then at least conceal who did the framing.</p><p>Of course, making it a proof-of-concept relies upon knowledgable defense teams and justices who are even willing to accept the possibility... but it seems the cat, as they say, is out of the bag.  Now people with child pornography found on their computers have a legitimate claim to say that it's not theirs, they didn't do it and they don't know how it got there.</p><p>Which may in and of itself be a proof-of-concept... of the 'The Virus Did It!' defense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's possible this was a public way to do a proof-of-concept .
Showing it 's possible to invisibly implicate someone , and , if not erase ALL evidence it was a frame job , then at least conceal who did the framing.Of course , making it a proof-of-concept relies upon knowledgable defense teams and justices who are even willing to accept the possibility... but it seems the cat , as they say , is out of the bag .
Now people with child pornography found on their computers have a legitimate claim to say that it 's not theirs , they did n't do it and they do n't know how it got there.Which may in and of itself be a proof-of-concept... of the 'The Virus Did It !
' defense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's possible this was a public way to do a proof-of-concept.
Showing it's possible to invisibly implicate someone, and, if not erase ALL evidence it was a frame job, then at least conceal who did the framing.Of course, making it a proof-of-concept relies upon knowledgable defense teams and justices who are even willing to accept the possibility... but it seems the cat, as they say, is out of the bag.
Now people with child pornography found on their computers have a legitimate claim to say that it's not theirs, they didn't do it and they don't know how it got there.Which may in and of itself be a proof-of-concept... of the 'The Virus Did It!
' defense.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30031160</id>
	<title>hmmm...</title>
	<author>grinningking</author>
	<datestamp>1257773280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Amazing what people do with their free time. Why would anyone want to target a 'former government employee'?

Was it given to him by someone or did he download it unintentionally? Begs the question what kind of sites he's been looking at...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazing what people do with their free time .
Why would anyone want to target a 'former government employee ' ?
Was it given to him by someone or did he download it unintentionally ?
Begs the question what kind of sites he 's been looking at.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazing what people do with their free time.
Why would anyone want to target a 'former government employee'?
Was it given to him by someone or did he download it unintentionally?
Begs the question what kind of sites he's been looking at...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30045012</id>
	<title>Re:The Perfect Frame</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257865680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Download child pornography to their computers. Sure, they'll whine about their "rights" and their "innocence", but who's going to believe a creepy pervert? Even if the faggy liberal court lets him off on some technicality, his career will be ruined, his friends will leave him, and he'll probably end up shooting himself.</p></div><p>Don't risk it yourself, create a program that gets some content from sites in the leaked Australian filter blacklist in a human like manner and then deletes itself.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Download child pornography to their computers .
Sure , they 'll whine about their " rights " and their " innocence " , but who 's going to believe a creepy pervert ?
Even if the faggy liberal court lets him off on some technicality , his career will be ruined , his friends will leave him , and he 'll probably end up shooting himself.Do n't risk it yourself , create a program that gets some content from sites in the leaked Australian filter blacklist in a human like manner and then deletes itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Download child pornography to their computers.
Sure, they'll whine about their "rights" and their "innocence", but who's going to believe a creepy pervert?
Even if the faggy liberal court lets him off on some technicality, his career will be ruined, his friends will leave him, and he'll probably end up shooting himself.Don't risk it yourself, create a program that gets some content from sites in the leaked Australian filter blacklist in a human like manner and then deletes itself.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025858</id>
	<title>prosecutors</title>
	<author>belmolis</author>
	<datestamp>1257680100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
What gets me are the confident assertions that people cannot unintentionally download child pornography by prosecutors who have no idea what they are talking about. It's disturbing both that people pay attention to them and that they are more interested in getting convictions than in consulting real experts.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What gets me are the confident assertions that people can not unintentionally download child pornography by prosecutors who have no idea what they are talking about .
It 's disturbing both that people pay attention to them and that they are more interested in getting convictions than in consulting real experts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
What gets me are the confident assertions that people cannot unintentionally download child pornography by prosecutors who have no idea what they are talking about.
It's disturbing both that people pay attention to them and that they are more interested in getting convictions than in consulting real experts.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025620</id>
	<title>ikee virus?</title>
	<author>Gothmolly</author>
	<datestamp>1257678360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least it wasn't 100000 Rick Rolls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least it was n't 100000 Rick Rolls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least it wasn't 100000 Rick Rolls.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026456</id>
	<title>If the roles were reversed...</title>
	<author>bruns</author>
	<datestamp>1257683940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, how much do you want to bet, that if the prosecution had found it, that they would have 'accidentally' forgot to tell the defense?  Knee jerk reaction for a conviction is modus operandi for the police, regardless of if the person is guilty or not.</p><p>I love how the game law enforcement plays requires people to defend their innocence rather then the prosecution proving guilt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , how much do you want to bet , that if the prosecution had found it , that they would have 'accidentally ' forgot to tell the defense ?
Knee jerk reaction for a conviction is modus operandi for the police , regardless of if the person is guilty or not.I love how the game law enforcement plays requires people to defend their innocence rather then the prosecution proving guilt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, how much do you want to bet, that if the prosecution had found it, that they would have 'accidentally' forgot to tell the defense?
Knee jerk reaction for a conviction is modus operandi for the police, regardless of if the person is guilty or not.I love how the game law enforcement plays requires people to defend their innocence rather then the prosecution proving guilt.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30027290</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257689160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was hunting for a details of a security exploit I found and google found a reference to it on a chat board that had lots of nearly legal pictures.  The pics of the nude kids might be considered artistic  but aren't legal in many parts of the world because of the context being mixed in with other X rated adult photos.   Looking at that site from a fortune 500 company will get you fired if the bosses find out so it a great way to keep the IT professionals from following the discussion.   One of the banner ads downloaded some malware that then pokes around one of the chan boards slowly pulling photos down and keeping them in the cache without displaying them.  It also downloads the ads and from the server logs it will looks like a human is alternating between photos of porn involving guy, girls and then its off to pics of young new kids and then back to the hard core stuff. I also expect that the board they are downloading from just happens to be a honey pot as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was hunting for a details of a security exploit I found and google found a reference to it on a chat board that had lots of nearly legal pictures .
The pics of the nude kids might be considered artistic but are n't legal in many parts of the world because of the context being mixed in with other X rated adult photos .
Looking at that site from a fortune 500 company will get you fired if the bosses find out so it a great way to keep the IT professionals from following the discussion .
One of the banner ads downloaded some malware that then pokes around one of the chan boards slowly pulling photos down and keeping them in the cache without displaying them .
It also downloads the ads and from the server logs it will looks like a human is alternating between photos of porn involving guy , girls and then its off to pics of young new kids and then back to the hard core stuff .
I also expect that the board they are downloading from just happens to be a honey pot as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was hunting for a details of a security exploit I found and google found a reference to it on a chat board that had lots of nearly legal pictures.
The pics of the nude kids might be considered artistic  but aren't legal in many parts of the world because of the context being mixed in with other X rated adult photos.
Looking at that site from a fortune 500 company will get you fired if the bosses find out so it a great way to keep the IT professionals from following the discussion.
One of the banner ads downloaded some malware that then pokes around one of the chan boards slowly pulling photos down and keeping them in the cache without displaying them.
It also downloads the ads and from the server logs it will looks like a human is alternating between photos of porn involving guy, girls and then its off to pics of young new kids and then back to the hard core stuff.
I also expect that the board they are downloading from just happens to be a honey pot as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025756</id>
	<title>Re:Guess that lets my cat off the hook</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1257679560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Guess that lets my cat of the hook...</p></div></blockquote><p>Not. He was caught with <a href="http://www.dailyhaha.com/\_pics/caught\_kitty\_porn.jpg" title="dailyhaha.com" rel="nofollow">kitty porn</a> [dailyhaha.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Guess that lets my cat of the hook...Not .
He was caught with kitty porn [ dailyhaha.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guess that lets my cat of the hook...Not.
He was caught with kitty porn [dailyhaha.com].
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30027644</id>
	<title>The dog ate my homework</title>
	<author>Fished</author>
	<datestamp>1257691740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From TFA:<blockquote><div><p>"It's an example of the old `dog ate my homework' excuse," says Phil Malone, director of the Cyberlaw Clinic at Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet &amp; Society. "The problem is, sometimes the dog does eat your homework."</p></div>
</blockquote><p>When I was in 5th grade or so, a kid in my class brought in her homework (or the remains of her homework) complete with teethmarks.  So, yes, it does actually happen.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>I think the moral of this story, though, is that the hidden costs of running a vulnerable computing environment might be far higher than most of us even thought.  I mean... how do you balance the extra $200 or so for a Mac (if it's even a real cost, which I'd dispute) against the possibility of $250,000 in legal bills, losing your job, and, more importantly, losing your freedom?  And it's not just kiddie porn... industrial espionage, RIAA lawsuits, "real" espionage...</p><p>Yes, I know that Macs are not immune, in theory.  Nor is Linux, in theory.  But in practice the odds of someone actually cracking my Mac or my Linux box--I have both--and using it as a zombie for any sort of nefarious purpose are exponentially lower than they are on Windows.  Not to mention all the other benefits... like say the fact that I fired up my Thinkpad for the first time in a long time today and the once-working wireless adapter wouldn't work.  Never have that sort of problem on a Mac!  And on Linux, it might be a pain to get it to work but once it worked it would keep working.</p><p>There's a reason I don't run Windows, and this sort of thing is the reason.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " It 's an example of the old ` dog ate my homework ' excuse , " says Phil Malone , director of the Cyberlaw Clinic at Harvard 's Berkman Center for Internet &amp; Society .
" The problem is , sometimes the dog does eat your homework .
" When I was in 5th grade or so , a kid in my class brought in her homework ( or the remains of her homework ) complete with teethmarks .
So , yes , it does actually happen .
: ) I think the moral of this story , though , is that the hidden costs of running a vulnerable computing environment might be far higher than most of us even thought .
I mean... how do you balance the extra $ 200 or so for a Mac ( if it 's even a real cost , which I 'd dispute ) against the possibility of $ 250,000 in legal bills , losing your job , and , more importantly , losing your freedom ?
And it 's not just kiddie porn... industrial espionage , RIAA lawsuits , " real " espionage...Yes , I know that Macs are not immune , in theory .
Nor is Linux , in theory .
But in practice the odds of someone actually cracking my Mac or my Linux box--I have both--and using it as a zombie for any sort of nefarious purpose are exponentially lower than they are on Windows .
Not to mention all the other benefits... like say the fact that I fired up my Thinkpad for the first time in a long time today and the once-working wireless adapter would n't work .
Never have that sort of problem on a Mac !
And on Linux , it might be a pain to get it to work but once it worked it would keep working.There 's a reason I do n't run Windows , and this sort of thing is the reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:"It's an example of the old `dog ate my homework' excuse," says Phil Malone, director of the Cyberlaw Clinic at Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet &amp; Society.
"The problem is, sometimes the dog does eat your homework.
"
When I was in 5th grade or so, a kid in my class brought in her homework (or the remains of her homework) complete with teethmarks.
So, yes, it does actually happen.
:)I think the moral of this story, though, is that the hidden costs of running a vulnerable computing environment might be far higher than most of us even thought.
I mean... how do you balance the extra $200 or so for a Mac (if it's even a real cost, which I'd dispute) against the possibility of $250,000 in legal bills, losing your job, and, more importantly, losing your freedom?
And it's not just kiddie porn... industrial espionage, RIAA lawsuits, "real" espionage...Yes, I know that Macs are not immune, in theory.
Nor is Linux, in theory.
But in practice the odds of someone actually cracking my Mac or my Linux box--I have both--and using it as a zombie for any sort of nefarious purpose are exponentially lower than they are on Windows.
Not to mention all the other benefits... like say the fact that I fired up my Thinkpad for the first time in a long time today and the once-working wireless adapter wouldn't work.
Never have that sort of problem on a Mac!
And on Linux, it might be a pain to get it to work but once it worked it would keep working.There's a reason I don't run Windows, and this sort of thing is the reason.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30041938</id>
	<title>Downloading it doesn't imply intent.</title>
	<author>MikeFM</author>
	<datestamp>1257783960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I write search spiders as a hobby. Part of their job is downloading lots of random files. So if it indexes a child porn site will I get arrested? Just having the content on your computer or having downloaded content doesn't mean there was any intention.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I write search spiders as a hobby .
Part of their job is downloading lots of random files .
So if it indexes a child porn site will I get arrested ?
Just having the content on your computer or having downloaded content does n't mean there was any intention .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I write search spiders as a hobby.
Part of their job is downloading lots of random files.
So if it indexes a child porn site will I get arrested?
Just having the content on your computer or having downloaded content doesn't mean there was any intention.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026304</id>
	<title>Slashdot is a special place</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257683100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>What a good chuckle!  I was not expecting to scroll through the comments and find the weight of the Slashdot community supporting child porn.  My faith in humanity is... restored?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What a good chuckle !
I was not expecting to scroll through the comments and find the weight of the Slashdot community supporting child porn .
My faith in humanity is... restored ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a good chuckle!
I was not expecting to scroll through the comments and find the weight of the Slashdot community supporting child porn.
My faith in humanity is... restored?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30030460</id>
	<title>But how can we...</title>
	<author>portalcake625</author>
	<datestamp>1257763740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>set it to save everything it gets to \%USERPROFILE\%\My Stuff\Stuff\Boring Stuff\Stuff\Images\JPEGS\stuff.dir\ ?
If the malware authors were to add that option, it'd sell like hotcakes!</htmltext>
<tokenext>set it to save everything it gets to \ % USERPROFILE \ % \ My Stuff \ Stuff \ Boring Stuff \ Stuff \ Images \ JPEGS \ stuff.dir \ ?
If the malware authors were to add that option , it 'd sell like hotcakes !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>set it to save everything it gets to \%USERPROFILE\%\My Stuff\Stuff\Boring Stuff\Stuff\Images\JPEGS\stuff.dir\ ?
If the malware authors were to add that option, it'd sell like hotcakes!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026154</id>
	<title>Re:Flying the false flag</title>
	<author>MartinSchou</author>
	<datestamp>1257682140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><blockquote><div><p>possession of kiddie porn is just another thought crime and prosecuting it is complete hypocrisy.</p></div></blockquote><p>The act of possession means it is no longer a thought crime. It is a crime in the United States to even view an image of Child Pornography.</p></div></blockquote><p>Actually thought crime is often used to refer to something where all you're doing is sitting around not harming anyone (as opposed to victimless crimes).</p><p>Here's a fun thing from Denmark (age of consent is 15).</p><p>If I (32) have sex with a 17-year-old girl, that is perfectly legal.<br>If anyone takes a photo of it, draws it, writes about it in detail or films it - it is child pornography. And as I'm am the only 'adult' in this, I will bear the full brunt of the law's punishment. Even if she were to set up hidden cameras without me knowing it, I'd still be charged with manufacturing. It's classified as child pornography and not pornography with a minor (under 18).</p><p>But if no-one watches, it's perfectly legal.</p><p><b>That</b> is fucking scary.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>possession of kiddie porn is just another thought crime and prosecuting it is complete hypocrisy.The act of possession means it is no longer a thought crime .
It is a crime in the United States to even view an image of Child Pornography.Actually thought crime is often used to refer to something where all you 're doing is sitting around not harming anyone ( as opposed to victimless crimes ) .Here 's a fun thing from Denmark ( age of consent is 15 ) .If I ( 32 ) have sex with a 17-year-old girl , that is perfectly legal.If anyone takes a photo of it , draws it , writes about it in detail or films it - it is child pornography .
And as I 'm am the only 'adult ' in this , I will bear the full brunt of the law 's punishment .
Even if she were to set up hidden cameras without me knowing it , I 'd still be charged with manufacturing .
It 's classified as child pornography and not pornography with a minor ( under 18 ) .But if no-one watches , it 's perfectly legal.That is fucking scary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>possession of kiddie porn is just another thought crime and prosecuting it is complete hypocrisy.The act of possession means it is no longer a thought crime.
It is a crime in the United States to even view an image of Child Pornography.Actually thought crime is often used to refer to something where all you're doing is sitting around not harming anyone (as opposed to victimless crimes).Here's a fun thing from Denmark (age of consent is 15).If I (32) have sex with a 17-year-old girl, that is perfectly legal.If anyone takes a photo of it, draws it, writes about it in detail or films it - it is child pornography.
And as I'm am the only 'adult' in this, I will bear the full brunt of the law's punishment.
Even if she were to set up hidden cameras without me knowing it, I'd still be charged with manufacturing.
It's classified as child pornography and not pornography with a minor (under 18).But if no-one watches, it's perfectly legal.That is fucking scary.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30027288</id>
	<title>Re:Flying the false flag</title>
	<author>baKanale</author>
	<datestamp>1257689160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It is a crime in the United States to even view an image of Child Pornography.</p></div></blockquote><p>So if one were to, under cover of night, replace a billboard along a major road with child porn, would they have to arrest everyone who drove past it during rush hour the next morning?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is a crime in the United States to even view an image of Child Pornography.So if one were to , under cover of night , replace a billboard along a major road with child porn , would they have to arrest everyone who drove past it during rush hour the next morning ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is a crime in the United States to even view an image of Child Pornography.So if one were to, under cover of night, replace a billboard along a major road with child porn, would they have to arrest everyone who drove past it during rush hour the next morning?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025526</id>
	<title>And this new "virus" I "got"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257677760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Downloads all the latest movie and software releases, and stores them on my computer!  It's madness, I say, madness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Downloads all the latest movie and software releases , and stores them on my computer !
It 's madness , I say , madness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Downloads all the latest movie and software releases, and stores them on my computer!
It's madness, I say, madness.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025726</id>
	<title>Complicates prosecution</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1257679320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now if anybody is caught with illegal stuff, they can just claim a virus did it. There's not way to really prove otherwise unless the person is filmed actually typing/clicking for it. Otherwise, anything you can do on a PC a virus can also do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now if anybody is caught with illegal stuff , they can just claim a virus did it .
There 's not way to really prove otherwise unless the person is filmed actually typing/clicking for it .
Otherwise , anything you can do on a PC a virus can also do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now if anybody is caught with illegal stuff, they can just claim a virus did it.
There's not way to really prove otherwise unless the person is filmed actually typing/clicking for it.
Otherwise, anything you can do on a PC a virus can also do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30025502</id>
	<title>A new name for this?</title>
	<author>Monoman</author>
	<datestamp>1257677640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Frameware ?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Frameware ?
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frameware ?
:-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30033144</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>Inda</author>
	<datestamp>1257783600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Get a DC client. Even heavily modded "rooms", with a high share requirement attract people with CP files. I know, I modded one for years. I would ban 5 people a day.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a DC client .
Even heavily modded " rooms " , with a high share requirement attract people with CP files .
I know , I modded one for years .
I would ban 5 people a day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a DC client.
Even heavily modded "rooms", with a high share requirement attract people with CP files.
I know, I modded one for years.
I would ban 5 people a day.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30028958</id>
	<title>"Malware"</title>
	<author>Metal\_Demon</author>
	<datestamp>1257702960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Where can I get a copy of this supposed "malware"?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where can I get a copy of this supposed " malware " ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where can I get a copy of this supposed "malware"?
;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30027166</id>
	<title>I assume this virus is for getting child porn</title>
	<author>betterunixthanunix</author>
	<datestamp>1257688260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The person who directed that virus to download child pornography probably just wanted to cover his ass and download some child pornography without getting caught by the feds.  Not the brightest move, but someone was bound to try it.<br> <br>

Now that the cat is out of the bag, someone else will probably realize that by toning it down a bit (e.g. visit the sites at a more human rate), they could frame their enemies/rivals.  This is sounding more and more like the plot of a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Wacky\_Molestation\_Adventure" title="wikipedia.org">south park episode</a> [wikipedia.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>The person who directed that virus to download child pornography probably just wanted to cover his ass and download some child pornography without getting caught by the feds .
Not the brightest move , but someone was bound to try it .
Now that the cat is out of the bag , someone else will probably realize that by toning it down a bit ( e.g .
visit the sites at a more human rate ) , they could frame their enemies/rivals .
This is sounding more and more like the plot of a south park episode [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The person who directed that virus to download child pornography probably just wanted to cover his ass and download some child pornography without getting caught by the feds.
Not the brightest move, but someone was bound to try it.
Now that the cat is out of the bag, someone else will probably realize that by toning it down a bit (e.g.
visit the sites at a more human rate), they could frame their enemies/rivals.
This is sounding more and more like the plot of a south park episode [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026454</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257683940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To use the victim's computer as a proxy or host (protecting the identity of the actual user)?</p><p>As a malicious prank or revenge attack?</p><p>Be as skeptical as you like, but this just exposes an enormous hole in CP prosecutions and people shouldn't have to <i>prove</i> their innocence - they're entitled to an assumption of it until the prosecution proves their case. If there is doubt that the defendant even knew about the content being downloaded, the case is a joke.</p><p>Sadly "think of the children" hysteria is often justified using arguments such as yours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To use the victim 's computer as a proxy or host ( protecting the identity of the actual user ) ? As a malicious prank or revenge attack ? Be as skeptical as you like , but this just exposes an enormous hole in CP prosecutions and people should n't have to prove their innocence - they 're entitled to an assumption of it until the prosecution proves their case .
If there is doubt that the defendant even knew about the content being downloaded , the case is a joke.Sadly " think of the children " hysteria is often justified using arguments such as yours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To use the victim's computer as a proxy or host (protecting the identity of the actual user)?As a malicious prank or revenge attack?Be as skeptical as you like, but this just exposes an enormous hole in CP prosecutions and people shouldn't have to prove their innocence - they're entitled to an assumption of it until the prosecution proves their case.
If there is doubt that the defendant even knew about the content being downloaded, the case is a joke.Sadly "think of the children" hysteria is often justified using arguments such as yours.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026186</id>
	<title>Re:This guy was lucky.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257682380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Lucky for this guy there was evidence to prove he didn't do it. </p></div><p>There is something about this sentence that worries me.</p><p>I just can't put my finger on it...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lucky for this guy there was evidence to prove he did n't do it .
There is something about this sentence that worries me.I just ca n't put my finger on it.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lucky for this guy there was evidence to prove he didn't do it.
There is something about this sentence that worries me.I just can't put my finger on it...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30027092</id>
	<title>Re:Flying the false flag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257687720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think YOU are missing the point, however.  How can a crime be victimless?  The deed was already done by somebody else.  The accused only has an image of what occurred, and what occurred did not actually involve the accused.  Throwing the accused away into PMITA prison for several years will not somehow fix whatever happened to the supposedly exploited child went through (and might I point out that what is considered a "child" by law is not necessarily the same thing as defined by biology...   having boobs and bush already makes one not biologically a child).  And let's carry it a step further...   You correctly state that it is illegal to even view an image of child porn...  But let's say for the sake of argument that somebody hacked into cnn.com and put up a bunch of kiddie porn on the front page.   Congrats, that person just created a crapload of felons out there by no fault or action of their own.  Let's seem them have to go to court and convince everybody that they had no intention to view the porn (is that even considered a valid defense?).  So now explain to me how possession of "child porn" is nothing more than a "though crime"...   I'd love to hear about how the subject of the "child porn" gets harmed more for every copy of the file out there...<br> <br>I would say that rights and freedoms were already the baby tossed out with the bathwater when possession of "child porn" became illegal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think YOU are missing the point , however .
How can a crime be victimless ?
The deed was already done by somebody else .
The accused only has an image of what occurred , and what occurred did not actually involve the accused .
Throwing the accused away into PMITA prison for several years will not somehow fix whatever happened to the supposedly exploited child went through ( and might I point out that what is considered a " child " by law is not necessarily the same thing as defined by biology... having boobs and bush already makes one not biologically a child ) .
And let 's carry it a step further... You correctly state that it is illegal to even view an image of child porn... But let 's say for the sake of argument that somebody hacked into cnn.com and put up a bunch of kiddie porn on the front page .
Congrats , that person just created a crapload of felons out there by no fault or action of their own .
Let 's seem them have to go to court and convince everybody that they had no intention to view the porn ( is that even considered a valid defense ? ) .
So now explain to me how possession of " child porn " is nothing more than a " though crime " ... I 'd love to hear about how the subject of the " child porn " gets harmed more for every copy of the file out there... I would say that rights and freedoms were already the baby tossed out with the bathwater when possession of " child porn " became illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think YOU are missing the point, however.
How can a crime be victimless?
The deed was already done by somebody else.
The accused only has an image of what occurred, and what occurred did not actually involve the accused.
Throwing the accused away into PMITA prison for several years will not somehow fix whatever happened to the supposedly exploited child went through (and might I point out that what is considered a "child" by law is not necessarily the same thing as defined by biology...   having boobs and bush already makes one not biologically a child).
And let's carry it a step further...   You correctly state that it is illegal to even view an image of child porn...  But let's say for the sake of argument that somebody hacked into cnn.com and put up a bunch of kiddie porn on the front page.
Congrats, that person just created a crapload of felons out there by no fault or action of their own.
Let's seem them have to go to court and convince everybody that they had no intention to view the porn (is that even considered a valid defense?).
So now explain to me how possession of "child porn" is nothing more than a "though crime"...   I'd love to hear about how the subject of the "child porn" gets harmed more for every copy of the file out there... I would say that rights and freedoms were already the baby tossed out with the bathwater when possession of "child porn" became illegal.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026742</id>
	<title>Re:Great! He's cleared!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257685620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This little faggot deserved it, fully. People like him support CP laws and discrimination of pedophiles, yet whine the most when they get hit themselves. I'm glad that these people are still financially and often socially ruined, even if their charges are dropped at the end. This makes the work of that hacker worthwhile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This little faggot deserved it , fully .
People like him support CP laws and discrimination of pedophiles , yet whine the most when they get hit themselves .
I 'm glad that these people are still financially and often socially ruined , even if their charges are dropped at the end .
This makes the work of that hacker worthwhile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This little faggot deserved it, fully.
People like him support CP laws and discrimination of pedophiles, yet whine the most when they get hit themselves.
I'm glad that these people are still financially and often socially ruined, even if their charges are dropped at the end.
This makes the work of that hacker worthwhile.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30030198</id>
	<title>Don't be silly!</title>
	<author>AlgorithMan</author>
	<datestamp>1257760440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't be silly! Doctor Franzhaufer uses Linux...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't be silly !
Doctor Franzhaufer uses Linux.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't be silly!
Doctor Franzhaufer uses Linux...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30028014</id>
	<title>Re:Grain of salt.</title>
	<author>IgePanda</author>
	<datestamp>1257694980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Whenever I hear about something like this, I'm always a little bit skeptical. What would a malware writer stand to gain by writing some malware that "accessed 40 child porn sites per minute" and installing it on some guy's computer? It's pretty absurd when you think about it.</p><p>Does anybody really believe that there's some spergy criminal mastermind out there who spends his nights optimizing his malware's CPSPM rate?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>5-8 years ago it was rather the norm to have dial up at home, and better connections at work.  So you have that.  Also this is illegal material which you wouldn't want your own IP address associated with, so there's that.  There is also the possibility that some of these sites are actually law enforcement honey pots.</p><p>So to answer your question, if it plausible that someone would take the time to develop malware to do this, I'd have to say the answer is yes.   Given the popularity and relative ease it once was to exploit and pwn a *nix box for pirate FTP, it's not that far a leap to pwn a Win box to fetch illegal content.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whenever I hear about something like this , I 'm always a little bit skeptical .
What would a malware writer stand to gain by writing some malware that " accessed 40 child porn sites per minute " and installing it on some guy 's computer ?
It 's pretty absurd when you think about it.Does anybody really believe that there 's some spergy criminal mastermind out there who spends his nights optimizing his malware 's CPSPM rate ?
...5-8 years ago it was rather the norm to have dial up at home , and better connections at work .
So you have that .
Also this is illegal material which you would n't want your own IP address associated with , so there 's that .
There is also the possibility that some of these sites are actually law enforcement honey pots.So to answer your question , if it plausible that someone would take the time to develop malware to do this , I 'd have to say the answer is yes .
Given the popularity and relative ease it once was to exploit and pwn a * nix box for pirate FTP , it 's not that far a leap to pwn a Win box to fetch illegal content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whenever I hear about something like this, I'm always a little bit skeptical.
What would a malware writer stand to gain by writing some malware that "accessed 40 child porn sites per minute" and installing it on some guy's computer?
It's pretty absurd when you think about it.Does anybody really believe that there's some spergy criminal mastermind out there who spends his nights optimizing his malware's CPSPM rate?
...5-8 years ago it was rather the norm to have dial up at home, and better connections at work.
So you have that.
Also this is illegal material which you wouldn't want your own IP address associated with, so there's that.
There is also the possibility that some of these sites are actually law enforcement honey pots.So to answer your question, if it plausible that someone would take the time to develop malware to do this, I'd have to say the answer is yes.
Given the popularity and relative ease it once was to exploit and pwn a *nix box for pirate FTP, it's not that far a leap to pwn a Win box to fetch illegal content.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_08_2135245.30026152</id>
	<title>Re:Flying the false flag</title>
	<author>calmofthestorm</author>
	<datestamp>1257682140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because it's easier to assuage the public outcry and win PoliticanPoints by attacking those who possess it than going after those who produce it (since a lot of it isn't in the States, for one thing) and/or saving the kids.</p><p>There was a great article in the Economist recently about how there's no motivation for politicians to care at all about the suspect's side (felons don't vote, for one thing), so laws just become more and more unreasonable and the rights of pedophiles get eroded worse and worse.</p><p>Ever since that one girl had to Register after having naked pics of herself on her cell phone when underage, then charged as an adult, I've had basically zero respect for these laws, even as the thought of CP makes me sick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it 's easier to assuage the public outcry and win PoliticanPoints by attacking those who possess it than going after those who produce it ( since a lot of it is n't in the States , for one thing ) and/or saving the kids.There was a great article in the Economist recently about how there 's no motivation for politicians to care at all about the suspect 's side ( felons do n't vote , for one thing ) , so laws just become more and more unreasonable and the rights of pedophiles get eroded worse and worse.Ever since that one girl had to Register after having naked pics of herself on her cell phone when underage , then charged as an adult , I 've had basically zero respect for these laws , even as the thought of CP makes me sick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it's easier to assuage the public outcry and win PoliticanPoints by attacking those who possess it than going after those who produce it (since a lot of it isn't in the States, for one thing) and/or saving the kids.There was a great article in the Economist recently about how there's no motivation for politicians to care at all about the suspect's side (felons don't vote, for one thing), so laws just become more and more unreasonable and the rights of pedophiles get eroded worse and worse.Ever since that one girl had to Register after having naked pics of herself on her cell phone when underage, then charged as an adult, I've had basically zero respect for these laws, even as the thought of CP makes me sick.</sentencetext>
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