<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_07_2256218</id>
	<title>Simple, Cost-Effective, Multiroom Audio?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1257591600000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>jimicus writes <i>"I'd like a multiroom audio system but I'm thoroughly confused by the options available &mdash; and the difference in prices is huge.  For instance, Philips have a <a href="http://www.consumer.philips.com/c/wireless-audio-products/19831/cat/gb/">wireless system</a> which starts at around &pound;280 &mdash; and Russound have <a href="http://www.russound.com/cas.htm">a product which comes in around &pound;1,000</a>. I've already got all my music as MP3s and it lives on a NAS box &mdash; I don't really want to repeat that process.  I also have a perfectly capable amp and speakers in my living room, so I don't really need anything else there. Whatever I go for has to pass the wife test &mdash; so something which requires a separate amp, speakers and PC in each room and requires a keyboard to control is right out. I don't mind spending a little money but I don't really want to find that every little extra thing adds up to &pound;thousands. Has anyone else dealt with a similar problem? How did you solve it?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>jimicus writes " I 'd like a multiroom audio system but I 'm thoroughly confused by the options available    and the difference in prices is huge .
For instance , Philips have a wireless system which starts at around   280    and Russound have a product which comes in around   1,000 .
I 've already got all my music as MP3s and it lives on a NAS box    I do n't really want to repeat that process .
I also have a perfectly capable amp and speakers in my living room , so I do n't really need anything else there .
Whatever I go for has to pass the wife test    so something which requires a separate amp , speakers and PC in each room and requires a keyboard to control is right out .
I do n't mind spending a little money but I do n't really want to find that every little extra thing adds up to   thousands .
Has anyone else dealt with a similar problem ?
How did you solve it ?
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<sentencetext>jimicus writes "I'd like a multiroom audio system but I'm thoroughly confused by the options available — and the difference in prices is huge.
For instance, Philips have a wireless system which starts at around £280 — and Russound have a product which comes in around £1,000.
I've already got all my music as MP3s and it lives on a NAS box — I don't really want to repeat that process.
I also have a perfectly capable amp and speakers in my living room, so I don't really need anything else there.
Whatever I go for has to pass the wife test — so something which requires a separate amp, speakers and PC in each room and requires a keyboard to control is right out.
I don't mind spending a little money but I don't really want to find that every little extra thing adds up to £thousands.
Has anyone else dealt with a similar problem?
How did you solve it?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018354</id>
	<title>Soundbridge is same thing for less</title>
	<author>fibrewire</author>
	<datestamp>1257603780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sonos is awesome if you have the cash to spend - it even has a pandora interface!</p><p>I recommend the soundbridge <a href="http://soundbridge.roku.com/soundbridge/index.php" title="roku.com" rel="nofollow">http://soundbridge.roku.com/soundbridge/index.php</a> [roku.com] for the working middle class.</p><p>And it definitely has that audiophile look to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sonos is awesome if you have the cash to spend - it even has a pandora interface ! I recommend the soundbridge http : //soundbridge.roku.com/soundbridge/index.php [ roku.com ] for the working middle class.And it definitely has that audiophile look to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sonos is awesome if you have the cash to spend - it even has a pandora interface!I recommend the soundbridge http://soundbridge.roku.com/soundbridge/index.php [roku.com] for the working middle class.And it definitely has that audiophile look to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020730</id>
	<title>Just run speaker wire through the walls.</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1257687000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't looked at all the options listed here, but they all seem pretty geeky. What's wrong with just running speaker wire through the walls? Having to walk twenty feet to change what's playing doesn't seem like much of a hardship to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't looked at all the options listed here , but they all seem pretty geeky .
What 's wrong with just running speaker wire through the walls ?
Having to walk twenty feet to change what 's playing does n't seem like much of a hardship to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't looked at all the options listed here, but they all seem pretty geeky.
What's wrong with just running speaker wire through the walls?
Having to walk twenty feet to change what's playing doesn't seem like much of a hardship to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30025098</id>
	<title>I choosed Russound</title>
	<author>toesterdahl</author>
	<datestamp>1257674700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I choosed Russound since it does one thing and does it fairly well. The biggest limitation is probably that it is limited to 6 amplified zones; another one beeing that the unit comes up front with a 12 channel amplifier and a corresponding power consumption. The future solution I see in a industry standard real-time bus for all AV equipment; think about the technology to replace HDMI but able to distribute AV to a number of room at distances up to some 100 meters. Biggest technical hurdle would be synchronization. Conventional networking technologies from the PC Lan space (Ethernet, Bluetooth) is not up for the task since they rely on buffering and for this application syncronization is an absolute must.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I choosed Russound since it does one thing and does it fairly well .
The biggest limitation is probably that it is limited to 6 amplified zones ; another one beeing that the unit comes up front with a 12 channel amplifier and a corresponding power consumption .
The future solution I see in a industry standard real-time bus for all AV equipment ; think about the technology to replace HDMI but able to distribute AV to a number of room at distances up to some 100 meters .
Biggest technical hurdle would be synchronization .
Conventional networking technologies from the PC Lan space ( Ethernet , Bluetooth ) is not up for the task since they rely on buffering and for this application syncronization is an absolute must .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I choosed Russound since it does one thing and does it fairly well.
The biggest limitation is probably that it is limited to 6 amplified zones; another one beeing that the unit comes up front with a 12 channel amplifier and a corresponding power consumption.
The future solution I see in a industry standard real-time bus for all AV equipment; think about the technology to replace HDMI but able to distribute AV to a number of room at distances up to some 100 meters.
Biggest technical hurdle would be synchronization.
Conventional networking technologies from the PC Lan space (Ethernet, Bluetooth) is not up for the task since they rely on buffering and for this application syncronization is an absolute must.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018886</id>
	<title>Easy dual-source multiroom</title>
	<author>chrylis</author>
	<datestamp>1257611340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought my first home about a year ago, and even before I moved in I installed a whole-house audio system.  I didn't put in the expensive source-selection room controls, but I did install per-room volume controls and in-ceiling speakers in each main room.  I have home-run speaker cables to the same spot where my network cables go and an input cable that runs to where I have my receiver in the living room.  The speaker distribution panel I have actually has two inputs and per-output switching, so I could send an alternate audio source to some of the rooms.</p><p>My receiver has dual outputs (5.1 plus a separate stereo output), which is important since it can be easy to run at too low an impedance if you have multiple pairs of speakers.  This arrangement allows me to send the main channels of a movie or the like everywhere in the house, in case somebody goes to the bathroom or to get popcorn.</p><p>I purchased my cable and wall plates from Monoprice, and my speakers, volume controls, and the distribution unit were from <a href="http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/" title="outdoorspeakerdepot.com">Outdoor Speaker Depot</a> [outdoorspeakerdepot.com].  I was able to do stereo audio to four rooms, with volume in each room, for a little under $500 in materials.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought my first home about a year ago , and even before I moved in I installed a whole-house audio system .
I did n't put in the expensive source-selection room controls , but I did install per-room volume controls and in-ceiling speakers in each main room .
I have home-run speaker cables to the same spot where my network cables go and an input cable that runs to where I have my receiver in the living room .
The speaker distribution panel I have actually has two inputs and per-output switching , so I could send an alternate audio source to some of the rooms.My receiver has dual outputs ( 5.1 plus a separate stereo output ) , which is important since it can be easy to run at too low an impedance if you have multiple pairs of speakers .
This arrangement allows me to send the main channels of a movie or the like everywhere in the house , in case somebody goes to the bathroom or to get popcorn.I purchased my cable and wall plates from Monoprice , and my speakers , volume controls , and the distribution unit were from Outdoor Speaker Depot [ outdoorspeakerdepot.com ] .
I was able to do stereo audio to four rooms , with volume in each room , for a little under $ 500 in materials .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought my first home about a year ago, and even before I moved in I installed a whole-house audio system.
I didn't put in the expensive source-selection room controls, but I did install per-room volume controls and in-ceiling speakers in each main room.
I have home-run speaker cables to the same spot where my network cables go and an input cable that runs to where I have my receiver in the living room.
The speaker distribution panel I have actually has two inputs and per-output switching, so I could send an alternate audio source to some of the rooms.My receiver has dual outputs (5.1 plus a separate stereo output), which is important since it can be easy to run at too low an impedance if you have multiple pairs of speakers.
This arrangement allows me to send the main channels of a movie or the like everywhere in the house, in case somebody goes to the bathroom or to get popcorn.I purchased my cable and wall plates from Monoprice, and my speakers, volume controls, and the distribution unit were from Outdoor Speaker Depot [outdoorspeakerdepot.com].
I was able to do stereo audio to four rooms, with volume in each room, for a little under $500 in materials.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018418</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>cbreaker</author>
	<datestamp>1257604560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure the Sonos system is nice, and from the enthusiasm here it sounds like it works.   However, it's also very expensive.   The starter bundle with speakers (one controller, one zone) is $1200.<br><br>The original poster was looking for something low cost.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure the Sonos system is nice , and from the enthusiasm here it sounds like it works .
However , it 's also very expensive .
The starter bundle with speakers ( one controller , one zone ) is $ 1200.The original poster was looking for something low cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure the Sonos system is nice, and from the enthusiasm here it sounds like it works.
However, it's also very expensive.
The starter bundle with speakers (one controller, one zone) is $1200.The original poster was looking for something low cost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020768</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>Tetard</author>
	<datestamp>1257687660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll second/third/XXth this.  It just rocks.  Will be buying more stuff from them over the coming year.  Not dirt cheap, but not insanely priced either.  That and a SUMOH digital amplifier or the Squeezebox Boom, presto!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll second/third/XXth this .
It just rocks .
Will be buying more stuff from them over the coming year .
Not dirt cheap , but not insanely priced either .
That and a SUMOH digital amplifier or the Squeezebox Boom , presto !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll second/third/XXth this.
It just rocks.
Will be buying more stuff from them over the coming year.
Not dirt cheap, but not insanely priced either.
That and a SUMOH digital amplifier or the Squeezebox Boom, presto!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30021054</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>monquixote</author>
	<datestamp>1257691200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I totally agree
For the money you can't beat the squeezebox.
You can buy stand alone devices, receivers to fit to your hi-fi and even the audiophile transporter.
It works really well with a NAS box as there are builds of the server app which can be used on some Linux NAS devices.
It is also very well supported with plug ins and helper apps for example I can control my set up from my Android phone.

The other great thing about the SB3 is that it has a 24bit Burr Brown DAC. You would have to shell out a serious (&pound;1K ish) amount to get a CD player with that sort of audio quality.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally agree For the money you ca n't beat the squeezebox .
You can buy stand alone devices , receivers to fit to your hi-fi and even the audiophile transporter .
It works really well with a NAS box as there are builds of the server app which can be used on some Linux NAS devices .
It is also very well supported with plug ins and helper apps for example I can control my set up from my Android phone .
The other great thing about the SB3 is that it has a 24bit Burr Brown DAC .
You would have to shell out a serious (   1K ish ) amount to get a CD player with that sort of audio quality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally agree
For the money you can't beat the squeezebox.
You can buy stand alone devices, receivers to fit to your hi-fi and even the audiophile transporter.
It works really well with a NAS box as there are builds of the server app which can be used on some Linux NAS devices.
It is also very well supported with plug ins and helper apps for example I can control my set up from my Android phone.
The other great thing about the SB3 is that it has a 24bit Burr Brown DAC.
You would have to shell out a serious (£1K ish) amount to get a CD player with that sort of audio quality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30027584</id>
	<title>Why not just use...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257691380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Headphones and an Ipod. It'll work anywhere in the house and automatically roams with you.</p><p>Seriously though I've got a friend who put Cat-6 cables and network ports in his house. He has made an audio to network cable and uses it to run audio through the network cables in his house...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Headphones and an Ipod .
It 'll work anywhere in the house and automatically roams with you.Seriously though I 've got a friend who put Cat-6 cables and network ports in his house .
He has made an audio to network cable and uses it to run audio through the network cables in his house.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Headphones and an Ipod.
It'll work anywhere in the house and automatically roams with you.Seriously though I've got a friend who put Cat-6 cables and network ports in his house.
He has made an audio to network cable and uses it to run audio through the network cables in his house...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020422</id>
	<title>Re:The Bulldozer Approach</title>
	<author>pbhj</author>
	<datestamp>1257681960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I filled one of my houses with sound simply by using a 500 watt P.A. system with some 15", 12", horn, speakers purchased at a flea market for around $500.<br>Another house I put the same P.A. in the basement, eq'd it for low end and split the signal to my home stereo upstairs. Basement as a sub.<br>Neighbors will love ya. Bathe in sound.</p></div><p>Put the system outside under a small rain shelter. Then you just need to open a window when you want to hear it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I filled one of my houses with sound simply by using a 500 watt P.A .
system with some 15 " , 12 " , horn , speakers purchased at a flea market for around $ 500.Another house I put the same P.A .
in the basement , eq 'd it for low end and split the signal to my home stereo upstairs .
Basement as a sub.Neighbors will love ya .
Bathe in sound.Put the system outside under a small rain shelter .
Then you just need to open a window when you want to hear it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I filled one of my houses with sound simply by using a 500 watt P.A.
system with some 15", 12", horn, speakers purchased at a flea market for around $500.Another house I put the same P.A.
in the basement, eq'd it for low end and split the signal to my home stereo upstairs.
Basement as a sub.Neighbors will love ya.
Bathe in sound.Put the system outside under a small rain shelter.
Then you just need to open a window when you want to hear it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30070480</id>
	<title>Wireless headphones.</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1258021020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Plug the base to your sound system, move around your home as needed, the wife will not even know you are listetning to your favourite music, unless she wants to talk to you, but you can now ignore her as usual having a perfectly acceptable excuse over your ears.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Plug the base to your sound system , move around your home as needed , the wife will not even know you are listetning to your favourite music , unless she wants to talk to you , but you can now ignore her as usual having a perfectly acceptable excuse over your ears .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plug the base to your sound system, move around your home as needed, the wife will not even know you are listetning to your favourite music, unless she wants to talk to you, but you can now ignore her as usual having a perfectly acceptable excuse over your ears.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018518</id>
	<title>Re:Memory</title>
	<author>abhikhurana</author>
	<datestamp>1257605640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dear Sir

GIven that we have precedent of <a href="http://apple.slashdot.org/story/09/11/01/195232/Apple-Says-Booting-OS-X-Makes-an-Unauthorized-Copy?art\_pos=6" title="slashdot.org">Apple claiming that booting the OS creates an illegal copy of the OS in the RAM</a> [slashdot.org], we are sure that using the same logic, creating a copy of music in your head constitutes illegal copying. See you in court.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear Sir GIven that we have precedent of Apple claiming that booting the OS creates an illegal copy of the OS in the RAM [ slashdot.org ] , we are sure that using the same logic , creating a copy of music in your head constitutes illegal copying .
See you in court .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear Sir

GIven that we have precedent of Apple claiming that booting the OS creates an illegal copy of the OS in the RAM [slashdot.org], we are sure that using the same logic, creating a copy of music in your head constitutes illegal copying.
See you in court.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020584</id>
	<title>fm transmitter+power converter,20-40 dollars</title>
	<author>skoony</author>
	<datestamp>1257684360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>as stated in other posts an fm transmitter is the way to go.
check in the automotive electronic accesseries section.you'll need the xmitter,and a power adapter.(12 volt input to 3 volts for the xmitter-typical)
instead get a power adapter for home 120 or 220 volt to the xmitters power requirment.
plug in to line out or headphone jack.there you go.
first seen them here in the states when people coupled them to there single walkmen like cd players to listen to there cd's in
cars without cd radios.
the ones i've seen advertised for home use may have more xmitting power but are way overpriced.
unless you have a large home the ones made for automotive use are fine.
i have 2 xmitter regards.</htmltext>
<tokenext>as stated in other posts an fm transmitter is the way to go .
check in the automotive electronic accesseries section.you 'll need the xmitter,and a power adapter .
( 12 volt input to 3 volts for the xmitter-typical ) instead get a power adapter for home 120 or 220 volt to the xmitters power requirment .
plug in to line out or headphone jack.there you go .
first seen them here in the states when people coupled them to there single walkmen like cd players to listen to there cd 's in cars without cd radios .
the ones i 've seen advertised for home use may have more xmitting power but are way overpriced .
unless you have a large home the ones made for automotive use are fine .
i have 2 xmitter regards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as stated in other posts an fm transmitter is the way to go.
check in the automotive electronic accesseries section.you'll need the xmitter,and a power adapter.
(12 volt input to 3 volts for the xmitter-typical)
instead get a power adapter for home 120 or 220 volt to the xmitters power requirment.
plug in to line out or headphone jack.there you go.
first seen them here in the states when people coupled them to there single walkmen like cd players to listen to there cd's in
cars without cd radios.
the ones i've seen advertised for home use may have more xmitting power but are way overpriced.
unless you have a large home the ones made for automotive use are fine.
i have 2 xmitter regards.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30026046</id>
	<title>Audio with no source.....?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257681300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You want to reproduce music in rooms where there is no amp or speakers, without putting in amp or speakers.....

What about surfing the net using trees?

I think this defies logic and physics. For every zone, you need an amp and speakers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You want to reproduce music in rooms where there is no amp or speakers , without putting in amp or speakers.... . What about surfing the net using trees ?
I think this defies logic and physics .
For every zone , you need an amp and speakers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You want to reproduce music in rooms where there is no amp or speakers, without putting in amp or speakers.....

What about surfing the net using trees?
I think this defies logic and physics.
For every zone, you need an amp and speakers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018110</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>whitedonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1257601380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I cannot recommend this more. I have had one for a few years now and it's great. Easy setup, will work with your NAS, it hooks into lots of streaming services if that's your thing (may vary by location though, I'm in the US). You don't have to be a geek to use it either so it's easy for people regardless of their technical prowess to use. They have 3 types of "zones" 1 is totally independent with a speaker built in, 1 is a zone that plugs into an existing sound system, and 1 has an amp built in so you just attach speakers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can not recommend this more .
I have had one for a few years now and it 's great .
Easy setup , will work with your NAS , it hooks into lots of streaming services if that 's your thing ( may vary by location though , I 'm in the US ) .
You do n't have to be a geek to use it either so it 's easy for people regardless of their technical prowess to use .
They have 3 types of " zones " 1 is totally independent with a speaker built in , 1 is a zone that plugs into an existing sound system , and 1 has an amp built in so you just attach speakers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cannot recommend this more.
I have had one for a few years now and it's great.
Easy setup, will work with your NAS, it hooks into lots of streaming services if that's your thing (may vary by location though, I'm in the US).
You don't have to be a geek to use it either so it's easy for people regardless of their technical prowess to use.
They have 3 types of "zones" 1 is totally independent with a speaker built in, 1 is a zone that plugs into an existing sound system, and 1 has an amp built in so you just attach speakers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018192</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>enilnomi</author>
	<datestamp>1257602220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another vote for Sonos. It's the wife-friendliest, kid-friendliest, overnight-visitor-friendliest, drunk-out-of-your-mind-friendliest system out there. Install and setup <a href="http://www.sonos.com/howitworks/setup/default.aspx" title="sonos.com" rel="nofollow">is a breeze</a> [sonos.com] -- truly as easy as the diagram portrays. The mesh network is excellent, or you can run it wired. You can source music from your computer/CD player/iPod, or let Sonos grab internet radio streams or services like last.fm, Sirius, Rhapsody, etc. Use Sonos to feed your own amplifier(s), or buy amplified Sonos nodes.</p><p> <a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/23/1710206" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Slashdot covered 'em</a> [slashdot.org] when they were new; many favorable comments. They were kick-ass at launch; these days they're miles better. Totally modular, so the system can grow as budget/desire dictates. The secure mesh network is excellent, or you can run 'em wired with CAT5. The new handheld controllers are great, or use an iPhone, iPod touch, or computer. (I've never hooked one up for a linux user, but Wine should do the job just fine.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another vote for Sonos .
It 's the wife-friendliest , kid-friendliest , overnight-visitor-friendliest , drunk-out-of-your-mind-friendliest system out there .
Install and setup is a breeze [ sonos.com ] -- truly as easy as the diagram portrays .
The mesh network is excellent , or you can run it wired .
You can source music from your computer/CD player/iPod , or let Sonos grab internet radio streams or services like last.fm , Sirius , Rhapsody , etc .
Use Sonos to feed your own amplifier ( s ) , or buy amplified Sonos nodes .
Slashdot covered 'em [ slashdot.org ] when they were new ; many favorable comments .
They were kick-ass at launch ; these days they 're miles better .
Totally modular , so the system can grow as budget/desire dictates .
The secure mesh network is excellent , or you can run 'em wired with CAT5 .
The new handheld controllers are great , or use an iPhone , iPod touch , or computer .
( I 've never hooked one up for a linux user , but Wine should do the job just fine .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another vote for Sonos.
It's the wife-friendliest, kid-friendliest, overnight-visitor-friendliest, drunk-out-of-your-mind-friendliest system out there.
Install and setup is a breeze [sonos.com] -- truly as easy as the diagram portrays.
The mesh network is excellent, or you can run it wired.
You can source music from your computer/CD player/iPod, or let Sonos grab internet radio streams or services like last.fm, Sirius, Rhapsody, etc.
Use Sonos to feed your own amplifier(s), or buy amplified Sonos nodes.
Slashdot covered 'em [slashdot.org] when they were new; many favorable comments.
They were kick-ass at launch; these days they're miles better.
Totally modular, so the system can grow as budget/desire dictates.
The secure mesh network is excellent, or you can run 'em wired with CAT5.
The new handheld controllers are great, or use an iPhone, iPod touch, or computer.
(I've never hooked one up for a linux user, but Wine should do the job just fine.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019110</id>
	<title>Re:Why multiroom music?</title>
	<author>Sulphur</author>
	<datestamp>1257613920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's next? a coffee machine in every room? Multiroom toilets?</p><p>I have a multiroom toilet you insensitive clod.</p><p>--</p><p>Listening to ice melting in stereo drives bats nuts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's next ?
a coffee machine in every room ?
Multiroom toilets ? I have a multiroom toilet you insensitive clod.--Listening to ice melting in stereo drives bats nuts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's next?
a coffee machine in every room?
Multiroom toilets?I have a multiroom toilet you insensitive clod.--Listening to ice melting in stereo drives bats nuts.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30022276</id>
	<title>Use Old Hardware</title>
	<author>winphreak</author>
	<datestamp>1257699240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Surely you have a few old boomboxes laying around?</p><p>Check out this post, should be an... inpromptu solution.</p><p><a href="http://blogs.oreilly.com/digitalmedia/2007/07/stupid-wifi-speaker-tricks.html" title="oreilly.com">http://blogs.oreilly.com/digitalmedia/2007/07/stupid-wifi-speaker-tricks.html</a> [oreilly.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely you have a few old boomboxes laying around ? Check out this post , should be an... inpromptu solution.http : //blogs.oreilly.com/digitalmedia/2007/07/stupid-wifi-speaker-tricks.html [ oreilly.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely you have a few old boomboxes laying around?Check out this post, should be an... inpromptu solution.http://blogs.oreilly.com/digitalmedia/2007/07/stupid-wifi-speaker-tricks.html [oreilly.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017590</id>
	<title>C.C.Crane</title>
	<author>doctechniqal</author>
	<datestamp>1257596520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My S.O. and I are KCRW.com freaks.  We also have FM radios throughout the house, along with the living room stereo system - where my S.O.'s PC also lives.  I split the audio line from her PC: one line goes to the living room stereo, the other goes to a cheap C.C.Crane FM transmitter.  This is the absolute cheapest way to get a single source of audio (CDs, MP3 library, streaming audio) into every room of the house.  Note: the FM signal strength from the Crane transmitter sucked at first - then I found a web page that showed how you can open up the Crane transmitter and tweak the signal strength to maximum.  Works great now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My S.O .
and I are KCRW.com freaks .
We also have FM radios throughout the house , along with the living room stereo system - where my S.O .
's PC also lives .
I split the audio line from her PC : one line goes to the living room stereo , the other goes to a cheap C.C.Crane FM transmitter .
This is the absolute cheapest way to get a single source of audio ( CDs , MP3 library , streaming audio ) into every room of the house .
Note : the FM signal strength from the Crane transmitter sucked at first - then I found a web page that showed how you can open up the Crane transmitter and tweak the signal strength to maximum .
Works great now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My S.O.
and I are KCRW.com freaks.
We also have FM radios throughout the house, along with the living room stereo system - where my S.O.
's PC also lives.
I split the audio line from her PC: one line goes to the living room stereo, the other goes to a cheap C.C.Crane FM transmitter.
This is the absolute cheapest way to get a single source of audio (CDs, MP3 library, streaming audio) into every room of the house.
Note: the FM signal strength from the Crane transmitter sucked at first - then I found a web page that showed how you can open up the Crane transmitter and tweak the signal strength to maximum.
Works great now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017458</id>
	<title>Uhhh...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257595500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have a wife?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have a wife ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have a wife?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30032722</id>
	<title>More Volume?</title>
	<author>zztong</author>
	<datestamp>1257781920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess turning up the volume is out of the question?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess turning up the volume is out of the question ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess turning up the volume is out of the question?
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018220</id>
	<title>build a cheap FM transmitter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257602460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I built a cheap FM transmitter from a <a href="http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/cgi-bin/commerce.exe?preadd=action&amp;key=FM10C" title="ramseyelectronics.com" rel="nofollow">hobby
kit</a> [ramseyelectronics.com] and use existing FM receivers in my house to listen (and have a
$5 thrift store boom box to go outside).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I built a cheap FM transmitter from a hobby kit [ ramseyelectronics.com ] and use existing FM receivers in my house to listen ( and have a $ 5 thrift store boom box to go outside ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I built a cheap FM transmitter from a hobby
kit [ramseyelectronics.com] and use existing FM receivers in my house to listen (and have a
$5 thrift store boom box to go outside).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017828</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>Hamsterdan</author>
	<datestamp>1257598740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since the wires in a local loop are gauge 20-22, It would have to be really low power. But the biggest problem is the output impedance. Most good amps are rated 4-16 ohms. Each set of speaker you add to the circuit will lower the impedance (they would have to be wired in parallel to have their own volume control). so let's say 4 sets of speakers (8 ohms), we are now down to 1 ohm, much to low for most amps to handle. Besides, that's assuming the local loop has 4 wires, since a phone usually only requires two (tip + ring)</p><p>Squeezebox would be my choice</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since the wires in a local loop are gauge 20-22 , It would have to be really low power .
But the biggest problem is the output impedance .
Most good amps are rated 4-16 ohms .
Each set of speaker you add to the circuit will lower the impedance ( they would have to be wired in parallel to have their own volume control ) .
so let 's say 4 sets of speakers ( 8 ohms ) , we are now down to 1 ohm , much to low for most amps to handle .
Besides , that 's assuming the local loop has 4 wires , since a phone usually only requires two ( tip + ring ) Squeezebox would be my choice</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since the wires in a local loop are gauge 20-22, It would have to be really low power.
But the biggest problem is the output impedance.
Most good amps are rated 4-16 ohms.
Each set of speaker you add to the circuit will lower the impedance (they would have to be wired in parallel to have their own volume control).
so let's say 4 sets of speakers (8 ohms), we are now down to 1 ohm, much to low for most amps to handle.
Besides, that's assuming the local loop has 4 wires, since a phone usually only requires two (tip + ring)Squeezebox would be my choice</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017612</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech Squeezebox</title>
	<author>SuperQ</author>
	<datestamp>1257596640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Squeezebox Server software is also open source.  Many people have written plugins for it.  From simple things like IR Blaster for doing remote amplifier control to Inguz room correction DSP software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Squeezebox Server software is also open source .
Many people have written plugins for it .
From simple things like IR Blaster for doing remote amplifier control to Inguz room correction DSP software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Squeezebox Server software is also open source.
Many people have written plugins for it.
From simple things like IR Blaster for doing remote amplifier control to Inguz room correction DSP software.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019700</id>
	<title>My weird solution...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257623520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A "music box" in the basement runs a custom (and very bad) web app which we use as a media player of sorts.  That box is connected to a stereo.  The stereo outputs to a custom switch box, which has an AVR that talks to the music PC over serial.  Using that switch box, from the web app we can switch four sets of speakers on and off.  We have speakers in the living room, on the back patio, in the garage and in the basement.  It sounds messy, but it works surprisingly well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A " music box " in the basement runs a custom ( and very bad ) web app which we use as a media player of sorts .
That box is connected to a stereo .
The stereo outputs to a custom switch box , which has an AVR that talks to the music PC over serial .
Using that switch box , from the web app we can switch four sets of speakers on and off .
We have speakers in the living room , on the back patio , in the garage and in the basement .
It sounds messy , but it works surprisingly well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A "music box" in the basement runs a custom (and very bad) web app which we use as a media player of sorts.
That box is connected to a stereo.
The stereo outputs to a custom switch box, which has an AVR that talks to the music PC over serial.
Using that switch box, from the web app we can switch four sets of speakers on and off.
We have speakers in the living room, on the back patio, in the garage and in the basement.
It sounds messy, but it works surprisingly well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018844</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>nightfire-unique</author>
	<datestamp>1257610680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He won't blow his amp with phone wire... over the distances he's talking they probably won't deliver more than an amp or two before melting/burning.  He might lose his amp to a fire, but I highly doubt he'd cook his output stage regardless of the speaker load.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He wo n't blow his amp with phone wire... over the distances he 's talking they probably wo n't deliver more than an amp or two before melting/burning .
He might lose his amp to a fire , but I highly doubt he 'd cook his output stage regardless of the speaker load .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He won't blow his amp with phone wire... over the distances he's talking they probably won't deliver more than an amp or two before melting/burning.
He might lose his amp to a fire, but I highly doubt he'd cook his output stage regardless of the speaker load.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019810</id>
	<title>Re:Soundbridge is same thing for less</title>
	<author>mwvdlee</author>
	<datestamp>1257712800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And it definitely has that audiophile look to it.</p></div><p>It looks like it does absolutely nothing usefull but is made of overly expensive materials?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And it definitely has that audiophile look to it.It looks like it does absolutely nothing usefull but is made of overly expensive materials ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it definitely has that audiophile look to it.It looks like it does absolutely nothing usefull but is made of overly expensive materials?
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30021598</id>
	<title>Airport Express</title>
	<author>k2r</author>
	<datestamp>1257694740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have 5 Apple Airport Express Basestations and our Macs, one AE is connected to the main WiFi-Router by Ethernet and acts as roaming Base. We do use our iPhones as remote and stream from our MacBooks. Works flawlessly, the only thing missing is a way to tune the accoustical delay in the connecting rooms, but that's just nitpicking.<br>There are even free tools to stream music to the AE but since we really like iTunes and have a lot of Music in it, I didn't really try them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have 5 Apple Airport Express Basestations and our Macs , one AE is connected to the main WiFi-Router by Ethernet and acts as roaming Base .
We do use our iPhones as remote and stream from our MacBooks .
Works flawlessly , the only thing missing is a way to tune the accoustical delay in the connecting rooms , but that 's just nitpicking.There are even free tools to stream music to the AE but since we really like iTunes and have a lot of Music in it , I did n't really try them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have 5 Apple Airport Express Basestations and our Macs, one AE is connected to the main WiFi-Router by Ethernet and acts as roaming Base.
We do use our iPhones as remote and stream from our MacBooks.
Works flawlessly, the only thing missing is a way to tune the accoustical delay in the connecting rooms, but that's just nitpicking.There are even free tools to stream music to the AE but since we really like iTunes and have a lot of Music in it, I didn't really try them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018786</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>amiga500</author>
	<datestamp>1257609840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Simple, Cost-Effective, Multiroom - pick any two.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Simple , Cost-Effective , Multiroom - pick any two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simple, Cost-Effective, Multiroom - pick any two.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017448</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30022200</id>
	<title>Sony Ericsson has wireless portfolio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257698760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sony Ericsson has a BT based system, typically you use your mobile phone as the media server, but with bluetooth in your home computer, by default or with a $20 dongle you have choose to place the audio in any room.</p><p>The MBR-100 is for connection to your audio system,<br>MBS-100 or MBS-200 is portable speakers with buit in battery and connects wirelessly to phone/computer<br>You have use 2 MBS-200 together and thus you get left and right in each, with a very powerful sound. MBS-400 is a economy pack with both in one.<br>They have also an MS500 which is even cheaper and more portable than the others. MBS-200 is around $40.</p><p>I have most of these components and they solves the music in every room problem for me, and you can also bring them with you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony Ericsson has a BT based system , typically you use your mobile phone as the media server , but with bluetooth in your home computer , by default or with a $ 20 dongle you have choose to place the audio in any room.The MBR-100 is for connection to your audio system,MBS-100 or MBS-200 is portable speakers with buit in battery and connects wirelessly to phone/computerYou have use 2 MBS-200 together and thus you get left and right in each , with a very powerful sound .
MBS-400 is a economy pack with both in one.They have also an MS500 which is even cheaper and more portable than the others .
MBS-200 is around $ 40.I have most of these components and they solves the music in every room problem for me , and you can also bring them with you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony Ericsson has a BT based system, typically you use your mobile phone as the media server, but with bluetooth in your home computer, by default or with a $20 dongle you have choose to place the audio in any room.The MBR-100 is for connection to your audio system,MBS-100 or MBS-200 is portable speakers with buit in battery and connects wirelessly to phone/computerYou have use 2 MBS-200 together and thus you get left and right in each, with a very powerful sound.
MBS-400 is a economy pack with both in one.They have also an MS500 which is even cheaper and more portable than the others.
MBS-200 is around $40.I have most of these components and they solves the music in every room problem for me, and you can also bring them with you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018854</id>
	<title>Re:Deliver the audio via FM-radio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257610860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sigh, I read wiFi friendly the first time...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sigh , I read wiFi friendly the first time.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sigh, I read wiFi friendly the first time...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017902</id>
	<title>Re:Memory</title>
	<author>NoYob</author>
	<datestamp>1257599400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I just replay the music in my head. This helps avoid copyright infringement suits.
Be sure not to get carried away, and hum or whistle because that's a performance not covered by Section 117.</p></div><p>My idea doesn't either: crank up the amps so you can hear it through out the house.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just replay the music in my head .
This helps avoid copyright infringement suits .
Be sure not to get carried away , and hum or whistle because that 's a performance not covered by Section 117.My idea does n't either : crank up the amps so you can hear it through out the house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just replay the music in my head.
This helps avoid copyright infringement suits.
Be sure not to get carried away, and hum or whistle because that's a performance not covered by Section 117.My idea doesn't either: crank up the amps so you can hear it through out the house.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018714</id>
	<title>Bluetooth receivers?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257608760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone have any experience with these?<br>I have a pretty decent "wander area" between my headset and the cellphone or computer before voice quality degrades. I haven't tried it with music yet but I'm grabbing an inexpensive receiver that will be plugging into my stereo head unit<br>By the time it arrives this thread will probably be a bit dead (where I live delivery takes a few weeks), but can anyone else comment on bluetooth audio transmission for music?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone have any experience with these ? I have a pretty decent " wander area " between my headset and the cellphone or computer before voice quality degrades .
I have n't tried it with music yet but I 'm grabbing an inexpensive receiver that will be plugging into my stereo head unitBy the time it arrives this thread will probably be a bit dead ( where I live delivery takes a few weeks ) , but can anyone else comment on bluetooth audio transmission for music ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone have any experience with these?I have a pretty decent "wander area" between my headset and the cellphone or computer before voice quality degrades.
I haven't tried it with music yet but I'm grabbing an inexpensive receiver that will be plugging into my stereo head unitBy the time it arrives this thread will probably be a bit dead (where I live delivery takes a few weeks), but can anyone else comment on bluetooth audio transmission for music?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019244</id>
	<title>FM Transmitter from EDM Design</title>
	<author>kriston</author>
	<datestamp>1257615900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get a portable device with a screen on it.<br>Use iPhone/iPod Touch Remote or VNC.<br>Then, buy a transmitter from here:<br><a href="http://www.edmdesign.com/" title="edmdesign.com">http://www.edmdesign.com/</a> [edmdesign.com]</p><p>Enjoy your music throughout your house and property.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a portable device with a screen on it.Use iPhone/iPod Touch Remote or VNC.Then , buy a transmitter from here : http : //www.edmdesign.com/ [ edmdesign.com ] Enjoy your music throughout your house and property .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a portable device with a screen on it.Use iPhone/iPod Touch Remote or VNC.Then, buy a transmitter from here:http://www.edmdesign.com/ [edmdesign.com]Enjoy your music throughout your house and property.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30024434</id>
	<title>LAN / Wifi client</title>
	<author>Ignatius</author>
	<datestamp>1257713640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you happen to have a TV around, then your best option would be a cheap Media LAN client like the Zyxel DMA-1000 (100 Euros - not in any way afiliated - just a happy customer). There are also Wireless options and you can play from USB sick oder drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you happen to have a TV around , then your best option would be a cheap Media LAN client like the Zyxel DMA-1000 ( 100 Euros - not in any way afiliated - just a happy customer ) .
There are also Wireless options and you can play from USB sick oder drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you happen to have a TV around, then your best option would be a cheap Media LAN client like the Zyxel DMA-1000 (100 Euros - not in any way afiliated - just a happy customer).
There are also Wireless options and you can play from USB sick oder drive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018700</id>
	<title>Try M&amp;S system</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257608520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A few years ago I installed and setup one of these <a href="http://www.linearcorp.com/intercom\_music\_speakers.php" title="linearcorp.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.linearcorp.com/intercom\_music\_speakers.php</a> [linearcorp.com] M&amp;S systems, which is now owned by Linear Corp.  It uses Cat 5 cable which had been run before my installs.  Great sound, cool features, lots of options <a href="http://www.linearcorp.com/communications.php" title="linearcorp.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.linearcorp.com/communications.php</a> [linearcorp.com], maybe a bit pricey...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A few years ago I installed and setup one of these http : //www.linearcorp.com/intercom \ _music \ _speakers.php [ linearcorp.com ] M&amp;S systems , which is now owned by Linear Corp. It uses Cat 5 cable which had been run before my installs .
Great sound , cool features , lots of options http : //www.linearcorp.com/communications.php [ linearcorp.com ] , maybe a bit pricey.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few years ago I installed and setup one of these http://www.linearcorp.com/intercom\_music\_speakers.php [linearcorp.com] M&amp;S systems, which is now owned by Linear Corp.  It uses Cat 5 cable which had been run before my installs.
Great sound, cool features, lots of options http://www.linearcorp.com/communications.php [linearcorp.com], maybe a bit pricey...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30026228</id>
	<title>My solution</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1257682560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My solution: $20</p><p>- 1x second-hand 2GB MP3 player (free to me, but may cost up to $20 new)<br>- 1x pair of headphones that I already owned</p><p>The best part is that I can even go OUTSIDE with it, and the music is still crystal clear everywhere I go. Better yet, each person occupying the house can have their own multiroom audio configuration operating at the same time with no interference. I listen to music, podcasts, radio stations, whatever, and can even take the whole experience with me when I travel.</p><p>Man, they should have invented this DECADES ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My solution : $ 20- 1x second-hand 2GB MP3 player ( free to me , but may cost up to $ 20 new ) - 1x pair of headphones that I already ownedThe best part is that I can even go OUTSIDE with it , and the music is still crystal clear everywhere I go .
Better yet , each person occupying the house can have their own multiroom audio configuration operating at the same time with no interference .
I listen to music , podcasts , radio stations , whatever , and can even take the whole experience with me when I travel.Man , they should have invented this DECADES ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My solution: $20- 1x second-hand 2GB MP3 player (free to me, but may cost up to $20 new)- 1x pair of headphones that I already ownedThe best part is that I can even go OUTSIDE with it, and the music is still crystal clear everywhere I go.
Better yet, each person occupying the house can have their own multiroom audio configuration operating at the same time with no interference.
I listen to music, podcasts, radio stations, whatever, and can even take the whole experience with me when I travel.Man, they should have invented this DECADES ago.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018108</id>
	<title>To quote Rita -- Do it on the Radio</title>
	<author>wagadog</author>
	<datestamp>1257601380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tune the radio in each room to the same station.</p><p>Duh.</p><p>You can broadcast on your own low-power station if you want to listen to your own CDs, MP3's, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tune the radio in each room to the same station.Duh.You can broadcast on your own low-power station if you want to listen to your own CDs , MP3 's , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tune the radio in each room to the same station.Duh.You can broadcast on your own low-power station if you want to listen to your own CDs, MP3's, etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018738</id>
	<title>Easy Fix</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257609240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get a divorce</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a divorce</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a divorce</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020884</id>
	<title>Squeezebox Touch?</title>
	<author>jzimmer</author>
	<datestamp>1257689400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hi,

I'm going to get a LogiTech Squeezebox Touch when it gets available. For multiroom, you can combine it with the other squeezebox models, if you like (e.g., the 'boom' with builtin speakers).

cheers
   jzimmer</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi , I 'm going to get a LogiTech Squeezebox Touch when it gets available .
For multiroom , you can combine it with the other squeezebox models , if you like ( e.g. , the 'boom ' with builtin speakers ) .
cheers jzimmer</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi,

I'm going to get a LogiTech Squeezebox Touch when it gets available.
For multiroom, you can combine it with the other squeezebox models, if you like (e.g., the 'boom' with builtin speakers).
cheers
   jzimmer</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018278</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257603120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have Sonos, and I couldn't have imagined how it has changed the way we listen to music. Yes, it's a bit expensive, but I assure you that a Sonos system is entire worth it.  If you have an iPhone and want to save some cash by not buying the controller, Sonos has a controller in the App store.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have Sonos , and I could n't have imagined how it has changed the way we listen to music .
Yes , it 's a bit expensive , but I assure you that a Sonos system is entire worth it .
If you have an iPhone and want to save some cash by not buying the controller , Sonos has a controller in the App store .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have Sonos, and I couldn't have imagined how it has changed the way we listen to music.
Yes, it's a bit expensive, but I assure you that a Sonos system is entire worth it.
If you have an iPhone and want to save some cash by not buying the controller, Sonos has a controller in the App store.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017474</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020482</id>
	<title>Cheap Labor + Recession</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257683100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hire a Mexican to follow you around the house with a boom box.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hire a Mexican to follow you around the house with a boom box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hire a Mexican to follow you around the house with a boom box.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017474</id>
	<title>Sonos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257595560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I haven't tried it myself, but this looks like a very interesting product.

<a href="http://sonos.com/" title="sonos.com">http://sonos.com/</a> [sonos.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't tried it myself , but this looks like a very interesting product .
http : //sonos.com/ [ sonos.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't tried it myself, but this looks like a very interesting product.
http://sonos.com/ [sonos.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30021590</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>zmollusc</author>
	<datestamp>1257694740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently bought a docking station with speaker jack, &pound;35 . I also would need a mains psu and cable at around &pound;25. The used iPods will have to be pretty freaking cheap for me to keep under $60-80.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently bought a docking station with speaker jack ,   35 .
I also would need a mains psu and cable at around   25 .
The used iPods will have to be pretty freaking cheap for me to keep under $ 60-80 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently bought a docking station with speaker jack, £35 .
I also would need a mains psu and cable at around £25.
The used iPods will have to be pretty freaking cheap for me to keep under $60-80.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019554</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019930</id>
	<title>The wife test!</title>
	<author>f3r</author>
	<datestamp>1257672420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Damn it, now I'm 100\% sure (no more doubts) that there is absolutely no woman reading slashdot. I would say more, I can conclude with several points:

<p>1) no woman reading slashdot (I'm male, but still, it is veeery long ago that I didn't hear something so reactionary...haha..."the wife test"...incredible)

</p><p>2a) how old are you guys? 16? are you still fixed in the penis age? 
</p><p>else
</p><p>2b) you are older and married, but you see your wife doing her things and you can only imagine that she comes from another planet. You cannot understand why she would never have one amplifier per room, or everything full of computers (with command-line linux, of course). I.e. you married someone you have nothing in common with.
</p><p>3) this situation is so amazingly common and extended, that none of you even detect anything strange in the sentence "the wife test"!! my god..

</p><p>PS: Just for fun, in gypsy language (at least in spanish gypsies) there is something called "the handkerchief test". It is done when a young gypsy girl is to married to a gypsy guy, and consists in the elder women going with the girl to a room, opening her legs, and sticking the handkerchief into her pussy. If it gets bled, she's virgin. Otherwise she's a "used product" and cannot get married.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn it , now I 'm 100 \ % sure ( no more doubts ) that there is absolutely no woman reading slashdot .
I would say more , I can conclude with several points : 1 ) no woman reading slashdot ( I 'm male , but still , it is veeery long ago that I did n't hear something so reactionary...haha... " the wife test " ...incredible ) 2a ) how old are you guys ?
16 ? are you still fixed in the penis age ?
else 2b ) you are older and married , but you see your wife doing her things and you can only imagine that she comes from another planet .
You can not understand why she would never have one amplifier per room , or everything full of computers ( with command-line linux , of course ) .
I.e. you married someone you have nothing in common with .
3 ) this situation is so amazingly common and extended , that none of you even detect anything strange in the sentence " the wife test " ! !
my god. . PS : Just for fun , in gypsy language ( at least in spanish gypsies ) there is something called " the handkerchief test " .
It is done when a young gypsy girl is to married to a gypsy guy , and consists in the elder women going with the girl to a room , opening her legs , and sticking the handkerchief into her pussy .
If it gets bled , she 's virgin .
Otherwise she 's a " used product " and can not get married .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn it, now I'm 100\% sure (no more doubts) that there is absolutely no woman reading slashdot.
I would say more, I can conclude with several points:

1) no woman reading slashdot (I'm male, but still, it is veeery long ago that I didn't hear something so reactionary...haha..."the wife test"...incredible)

2a) how old are you guys?
16? are you still fixed in the penis age?
else
2b) you are older and married, but you see your wife doing her things and you can only imagine that she comes from another planet.
You cannot understand why she would never have one amplifier per room, or everything full of computers (with command-line linux, of course).
I.e. you married someone you have nothing in common with.
3) this situation is so amazingly common and extended, that none of you even detect anything strange in the sentence "the wife test"!!
my god..

PS: Just for fun, in gypsy language (at least in spanish gypsies) there is something called "the handkerchief test".
It is done when a young gypsy girl is to married to a gypsy guy, and consists in the elder women going with the girl to a room, opening her legs, and sticking the handkerchief into her pussy.
If it gets bled, she's virgin.
Otherwise she's a "used product" and cannot get married.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30059550</id>
	<title>Sonos Rocks</title>
	<author>RebornData</author>
	<datestamp>1257088080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It definitely is a luxury system (and probably not within the OP's budget), but it has some refinements that really make a difference:</p><p>1. When you have multiple units, the entire network acts as a single, seamless system.  You can play different music on each unit, or a tie group of units into a "zone" that plays the same music (with centrally controlled volume level), with the music perfectly in sync between units (this is technically quite difficult to do).  I'm not aware of any other system that does this...<br>2. The Sonos units form a wireless mesh network, so you don't have to have perfect wireless coverage everywhere you put a unit, as long as each unit is within range of another.  This is very helpful in the large houses of the people who can afford these things.  One unit does need to be hardwired.<br>3. The remote is very well done.  Having an iPhone remote is great if everyone in the house carries one, but that's rarely the case.<br>4. It plays very well with NASs.  It can read your iTunes playlists, and because there's no local storage it's one less music repository to sync and maintain.<br>5. Sound quality is very good.  They handle lossless formats, and the internal amps are decent.</p><p>Anyway, it's a fantastic system if you've got the money to burn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It definitely is a luxury system ( and probably not within the OP 's budget ) , but it has some refinements that really make a difference : 1 .
When you have multiple units , the entire network acts as a single , seamless system .
You can play different music on each unit , or a tie group of units into a " zone " that plays the same music ( with centrally controlled volume level ) , with the music perfectly in sync between units ( this is technically quite difficult to do ) .
I 'm not aware of any other system that does this...2 .
The Sonos units form a wireless mesh network , so you do n't have to have perfect wireless coverage everywhere you put a unit , as long as each unit is within range of another .
This is very helpful in the large houses of the people who can afford these things .
One unit does need to be hardwired.3 .
The remote is very well done .
Having an iPhone remote is great if everyone in the house carries one , but that 's rarely the case.4 .
It plays very well with NASs .
It can read your iTunes playlists , and because there 's no local storage it 's one less music repository to sync and maintain.5 .
Sound quality is very good .
They handle lossless formats , and the internal amps are decent.Anyway , it 's a fantastic system if you 've got the money to burn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It definitely is a luxury system (and probably not within the OP's budget), but it has some refinements that really make a difference:1.
When you have multiple units, the entire network acts as a single, seamless system.
You can play different music on each unit, or a tie group of units into a "zone" that plays the same music (with centrally controlled volume level), with the music perfectly in sync between units (this is technically quite difficult to do).
I'm not aware of any other system that does this...2.
The Sonos units form a wireless mesh network, so you don't have to have perfect wireless coverage everywhere you put a unit, as long as each unit is within range of another.
This is very helpful in the large houses of the people who can afford these things.
One unit does need to be hardwired.3.
The remote is very well done.
Having an iPhone remote is great if everyone in the house carries one, but that's rarely the case.4.
It plays very well with NASs.
It can read your iTunes playlists, and because there's no local storage it's one less music repository to sync and maintain.5.
Sound quality is very good.
They handle lossless formats, and the internal amps are decent.Anyway, it's a fantastic system if you've got the money to burn.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017498</id>
	<title>Deliver the audio via FM-radio</title>
	<author>Woodmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1257595860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>A serious solution that is neither expensive nor foolishly complex? Try connecting an <a href="http://www.canakit.com/fm-transmitters" title="canakit.com" rel="nofollow">FM-band microtransmitter</a> [canakit.com] to your server's audio output and using a remote control system via an HTTP-based system.
<p>
Any internet connected machine will control the audio programming, and any old FM-radio will do the trick of receiving the signal. Simple. Effective. \_AND\_ Wife-Friendly(TM) (at least, according to my wife<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)
</p><p>
Because of FM-modulation, this technique is not hi-fi. But a decent transmitter does an admirable job in retaining audio quality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A serious solution that is neither expensive nor foolishly complex ?
Try connecting an FM-band microtransmitter [ canakit.com ] to your server 's audio output and using a remote control system via an HTTP-based system .
Any internet connected machine will control the audio programming , and any old FM-radio will do the trick of receiving the signal .
Simple. Effective .
\ _AND \ _ Wife-Friendly ( TM ) ( at least , according to my wife ; ) Because of FM-modulation , this technique is not hi-fi .
But a decent transmitter does an admirable job in retaining audio quality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A serious solution that is neither expensive nor foolishly complex?
Try connecting an FM-band microtransmitter [canakit.com] to your server's audio output and using a remote control system via an HTTP-based system.
Any internet connected machine will control the audio programming, and any old FM-radio will do the trick of receiving the signal.
Simple. Effective.
\_AND\_ Wife-Friendly(TM) (at least, according to my wife ;)

Because of FM-modulation, this technique is not hi-fi.
But a decent transmitter does an admirable job in retaining audio quality.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017654</id>
	<title>Rocketboost from Best Buy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257597180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Rocketboost system at best buy is a wireless solution that will work for you: <a href="http://www.bestbuy.com/rocketboost" title="bestbuy.com">http://www.bestbuy.com/rocketboost</a> [bestbuy.com] gives a good summary of how it works.</p><p>You can add speakers and audio sources around your house, and the speakers have a "next source" button that lets you flip between your audio sources. It is modular, where you can buy as many units as you need and they all join together into one big network in your house. It isn't super-cheap, but it is cheaper than other products that are equally as flexible in how you set them up.</p><p>Disclaimer: I worked on this product (wrote the protocol stack for moving the audio data over the air), so you may want to take my recommendation with a grain of salt, but I am happy with how well the product turned out and I think it's pretty neat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Rocketboost system at best buy is a wireless solution that will work for you : http : //www.bestbuy.com/rocketboost [ bestbuy.com ] gives a good summary of how it works.You can add speakers and audio sources around your house , and the speakers have a " next source " button that lets you flip between your audio sources .
It is modular , where you can buy as many units as you need and they all join together into one big network in your house .
It is n't super-cheap , but it is cheaper than other products that are equally as flexible in how you set them up.Disclaimer : I worked on this product ( wrote the protocol stack for moving the audio data over the air ) , so you may want to take my recommendation with a grain of salt , but I am happy with how well the product turned out and I think it 's pretty neat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Rocketboost system at best buy is a wireless solution that will work for you: http://www.bestbuy.com/rocketboost [bestbuy.com] gives a good summary of how it works.You can add speakers and audio sources around your house, and the speakers have a "next source" button that lets you flip between your audio sources.
It is modular, where you can buy as many units as you need and they all join together into one big network in your house.
It isn't super-cheap, but it is cheaper than other products that are equally as flexible in how you set them up.Disclaimer: I worked on this product (wrote the protocol stack for moving the audio data over the air), so you may want to take my recommendation with a grain of salt, but I am happy with how well the product turned out and I think it's pretty neat.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018092</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257601200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't get why all you people are suggesting computer-based solutions.<br>Running wires to each room in the house would be both cheaper and have sound quality independent of network quality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get why all you people are suggesting computer-based solutions.Running wires to each room in the house would be both cheaper and have sound quality independent of network quality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get why all you people are suggesting computer-based solutions.Running wires to each room in the house would be both cheaper and have sound quality independent of network quality.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017474</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019664</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos - it begins and ends with Sonos</title>
	<author>enselsharon</author>
	<datestamp>1257623040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sonos is the answer.  The problem with all of the lower priced squeezebox-style systems is that they save money on components by not having the decoding hardware inside of them.  That is the reason that even with a stock-standard samba share, you STILL need to install their "server software" on the system you store your music on.</p><p>In reality the "server software" is actually doing some or all of the transcoding of the music format because the units themselves don't have the horsepower to do it.</p><p>The sonos systems, OTOH, have the necessary horsepower, so you can just point them at your A/UX based fileserver (or whatever else you want to point them at) and say "just work".</p><p>I've had a 5-zone sonos system for 4+ years now and could not be happier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sonos is the answer .
The problem with all of the lower priced squeezebox-style systems is that they save money on components by not having the decoding hardware inside of them .
That is the reason that even with a stock-standard samba share , you STILL need to install their " server software " on the system you store your music on.In reality the " server software " is actually doing some or all of the transcoding of the music format because the units themselves do n't have the horsepower to do it.The sonos systems , OTOH , have the necessary horsepower , so you can just point them at your A/UX based fileserver ( or whatever else you want to point them at ) and say " just work " .I 've had a 5-zone sonos system for 4 + years now and could not be happier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sonos is the answer.
The problem with all of the lower priced squeezebox-style systems is that they save money on components by not having the decoding hardware inside of them.
That is the reason that even with a stock-standard samba share, you STILL need to install their "server software" on the system you store your music on.In reality the "server software" is actually doing some or all of the transcoding of the music format because the units themselves don't have the horsepower to do it.The sonos systems, OTOH, have the necessary horsepower, so you can just point them at your A/UX based fileserver (or whatever else you want to point them at) and say "just work".I've had a 5-zone sonos system for 4+ years now and could not be happier.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020822</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>markov23</author>
	<datestamp>1257688500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>dont buy that bundle -- the zone player is the main part you need here -- its 400 bucks.  dont buy speakers from them -- there is no way they will be anything worth listening too.  if money is tight -- dont get their remote -- they have an iphone interface that is actually very nice and free.</htmltext>
<tokenext>dont buy that bundle -- the zone player is the main part you need here -- its 400 bucks .
dont buy speakers from them -- there is no way they will be anything worth listening too .
if money is tight -- dont get their remote -- they have an iphone interface that is actually very nice and free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dont buy that bundle -- the zone player is the main part you need here -- its 400 bucks.
dont buy speakers from them -- there is no way they will be anything worth listening too.
if money is tight -- dont get their remote -- they have an iphone interface that is actually very nice and free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017494</id>
	<title>Good and cheap don't come hand in hand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257595860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want good class-a amps, you'll have to pay for them. If you want good electrostatic speakers, you need pay for them and sample your CDs at 400kb otherwise what's the point?</p><p>'Good' relative to a high end system is about 'good enough.' Nothing is simpler to configure and operate than physical cable connecting your consumer-grade speakers to your class b or class d amp.</p><p>After that, it really doesn't matter what your source is 128 vbr is effectively indistinguishable from higher on consumer grade sound gear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want good class-a amps , you 'll have to pay for them .
If you want good electrostatic speakers , you need pay for them and sample your CDs at 400kb otherwise what 's the point ?
'Good ' relative to a high end system is about 'good enough .
' Nothing is simpler to configure and operate than physical cable connecting your consumer-grade speakers to your class b or class d amp.After that , it really does n't matter what your source is 128 vbr is effectively indistinguishable from higher on consumer grade sound gear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want good class-a amps, you'll have to pay for them.
If you want good electrostatic speakers, you need pay for them and sample your CDs at 400kb otherwise what's the point?
'Good' relative to a high end system is about 'good enough.
' Nothing is simpler to configure and operate than physical cable connecting your consumer-grade speakers to your class b or class d amp.After that, it really doesn't matter what your source is 128 vbr is effectively indistinguishable from higher on consumer grade sound gear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30022992</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257703380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I concur, I have out of pc to equalizer in the basement with RCA's running to PC speaker systems all over my house.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I concur , I have out of pc to equalizer in the basement with RCA 's running to PC speaker systems all over my house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I concur, I have out of pc to equalizer in the basement with RCA's running to PC speaker systems all over my house.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30025012</id>
	<title>Cheaper Option</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257674040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use a very inexpensive device known as the radio.</p><p>I can control the volume in every room - plus have a wide variety of musical choices.  One room can be listening to rock, another country, another pop - tec.</p><p>Works great!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a very inexpensive device known as the radio.I can control the volume in every room - plus have a wide variety of musical choices .
One room can be listening to rock , another country , another pop - tec.Works great !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a very inexpensive device known as the radio.I can control the volume in every room - plus have a wide variety of musical choices.
One room can be listening to rock, another country, another pop - tec.Works great!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017664</id>
	<title>Apple Airport Express</title>
	<author>Mindstate</author>
	<datestamp>1257597240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>honestly, that's probably the simplest solution. add an airport express for each room you want and you have an instant wireless music network. add an iPod touch or an iPhone and you have a really excellent remote that lets you easily switch the music from one room to the next and multiples at the same time with no delay, as well as creating custom playlists on the fly and using itunes DJ and genius playlists. plus it can join your home wifi network and share printers, charge USB devices, or even extend your wifi network. to me, this is probably the most under-hyped apple product ever. it's made my life so much easier. i only have one, but i can just unplug it and move it to another room and have it hooked up somewhere else in seconds, and the remote app on the iPhone is worlds better than any other audio remote i've used.</htmltext>
<tokenext>honestly , that 's probably the simplest solution .
add an airport express for each room you want and you have an instant wireless music network .
add an iPod touch or an iPhone and you have a really excellent remote that lets you easily switch the music from one room to the next and multiples at the same time with no delay , as well as creating custom playlists on the fly and using itunes DJ and genius playlists .
plus it can join your home wifi network and share printers , charge USB devices , or even extend your wifi network .
to me , this is probably the most under-hyped apple product ever .
it 's made my life so much easier .
i only have one , but i can just unplug it and move it to another room and have it hooked up somewhere else in seconds , and the remote app on the iPhone is worlds better than any other audio remote i 've used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>honestly, that's probably the simplest solution.
add an airport express for each room you want and you have an instant wireless music network.
add an iPod touch or an iPhone and you have a really excellent remote that lets you easily switch the music from one room to the next and multiples at the same time with no delay, as well as creating custom playlists on the fly and using itunes DJ and genius playlists.
plus it can join your home wifi network and share printers, charge USB devices, or even extend your wifi network.
to me, this is probably the most under-hyped apple product ever.
it's made my life so much easier.
i only have one, but i can just unplug it and move it to another room and have it hooked up somewhere else in seconds, and the remote app on the iPhone is worlds better than any other audio remote i've used.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020176</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>ebbe11</author>
	<datestamp>1257677820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Joel Spolsky likes it well enough <a href="http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/11/10.html" title="joelonsoftware.com">to write about it</a> [joelonsoftware.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Joel Spolsky likes it well enough to write about it [ joelonsoftware.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Joel Spolsky likes it well enough to write about it [joelonsoftware.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017618</id>
	<title>Mac Mini</title>
	<author>solid\_liq</author>
	<datestamp>1257596760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about a Mac Mini with a remote control?  They have good audio hardware, you can connect it to your network wirelessly, and you can use Mac OS X, Linux or Windows on it for playing audio.  They're also small, nearly silent, and women think they're cute.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about a Mac Mini with a remote control ?
They have good audio hardware , you can connect it to your network wirelessly , and you can use Mac OS X , Linux or Windows on it for playing audio .
They 're also small , nearly silent , and women think they 're cute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about a Mac Mini with a remote control?
They have good audio hardware, you can connect it to your network wirelessly, and you can use Mac OS X, Linux or Windows on it for playing audio.
They're also small, nearly silent, and women think they're cute.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017604</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>bem</author>
	<datestamp>1257596640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll third this.</p><p>I have SB2's in the living room and bedroom, a Boom that gets moved around, a Duet in the Office and Radio at work.</p><p>All sharing from the same library.  Great WAF.</p><p>One of the best purchases in my life was my initial SB2, which is why I keep expanding the player count.</p><p>And, yes, they can sync.. or not: each player is capable of playing its own stream so if you want one thing in the living room and another in the bedroom that's fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll third this.I have SB2 's in the living room and bedroom , a Boom that gets moved around , a Duet in the Office and Radio at work.All sharing from the same library .
Great WAF.One of the best purchases in my life was my initial SB2 , which is why I keep expanding the player count.And , yes , they can sync.. or not : each player is capable of playing its own stream so if you want one thing in the living room and another in the bedroom that 's fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll third this.I have SB2's in the living room and bedroom, a Boom that gets moved around, a Duet in the Office and Radio at work.All sharing from the same library.
Great WAF.One of the best purchases in my life was my initial SB2, which is why I keep expanding the player count.And, yes, they can sync.. or not: each player is capable of playing its own stream so if you want one thing in the living room and another in the bedroom that's fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30078778</id>
	<title>Keep It Simple</title>
	<author>FreekyGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1258019880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Method:</p><p>1) Get an ipod.<br>2) Get an iPod-capable "boom box" for each room.  There are some out there with excellent sound that don't cost much.<br>3) Bring your ipod from room to room.</p><p>Cheap, no frills, no high tech, no wires, no headaches, no hassle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Method : 1 ) Get an ipod.2 ) Get an iPod-capable " boom box " for each room .
There are some out there with excellent sound that do n't cost much.3 ) Bring your ipod from room to room.Cheap , no frills , no high tech , no wires , no headaches , no hassle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Method:1) Get an ipod.2) Get an iPod-capable "boom box" for each room.
There are some out there with excellent sound that don't cost much.3) Bring your ipod from room to room.Cheap, no frills, no high tech, no wires, no headaches, no hassle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018650</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257607680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; While unlikely in this case, this sort of ignorance results in houses getting burned down<br>&gt; and people dying on a regular basis.</p><p>As a matter of fact, and like my friend's uncle wisely points out, it's very alarming that there have been people dying nowadays who never died before.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; While unlikely in this case , this sort of ignorance results in houses getting burned down &gt; and people dying on a regular basis.As a matter of fact , and like my friend 's uncle wisely points out , it 's very alarming that there have been people dying nowadays who never died before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; While unlikely in this case, this sort of ignorance results in houses getting burned down&gt; and people dying on a regular basis.As a matter of fact, and like my friend's uncle wisely points out, it's very alarming that there have been people dying nowadays who never died before.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30025874</id>
	<title>Here is my solution</title>
	<author>keithpreston</author>
	<datestamp>1257680280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>

Here is a fairly cheap solution<br>

1 - Carvin DCM 1204 Amp (4 channels, 300 watts a channel)<br>
16 - Monoprice 8" in ceiling speakers (Four per channel, 2 groups in series of 2 parallel speakers (8 ohm load)<br>
1 - Onkyo tx-607<br>
7 - Monoprice 8" in-ceiling speakers.<br>

About $2000 with 12awg speaker wire.<br>

I have a split level house and a pool in the back yard. I ran Coaxial Cable (with RCA ends) from my computer to my coat closet where the Carvin Amp is located (along with a 20 amp outlet) so I drive the system with mostly pandora, but there is no reason an ipod or such could drive it. It powers 4 zones (Upstairs, Kitchen/Dining Room, Basement, and outside) all with plenty of power.  It is only a single source system, but I can see much of a need driving different rooms with different music.   The onkyo is in my Home Theater on my main level. It also has coax run from it to the Carvin so I can have both system driven by the computer at the same time. I find it works very well, the in-ceiling speakers are very wife approved and are a decent trade off. My friends all like the system and it is very nice to have music through out the house for cleaning, parties, etc...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is a fairly cheap solution 1 - Carvin DCM 1204 Amp ( 4 channels , 300 watts a channel ) 16 - Monoprice 8 " in ceiling speakers ( Four per channel , 2 groups in series of 2 parallel speakers ( 8 ohm load ) 1 - Onkyo tx-607 7 - Monoprice 8 " in-ceiling speakers .
About $ 2000 with 12awg speaker wire .
I have a split level house and a pool in the back yard .
I ran Coaxial Cable ( with RCA ends ) from my computer to my coat closet where the Carvin Amp is located ( along with a 20 amp outlet ) so I drive the system with mostly pandora , but there is no reason an ipod or such could drive it .
It powers 4 zones ( Upstairs , Kitchen/Dining Room , Basement , and outside ) all with plenty of power .
It is only a single source system , but I can see much of a need driving different rooms with different music .
The onkyo is in my Home Theater on my main level .
It also has coax run from it to the Carvin so I can have both system driven by the computer at the same time .
I find it works very well , the in-ceiling speakers are very wife approved and are a decent trade off .
My friends all like the system and it is very nice to have music through out the house for cleaning , parties , etc.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

Here is a fairly cheap solution

1 - Carvin DCM 1204 Amp (4 channels, 300 watts a channel)
16 - Monoprice 8" in ceiling speakers (Four per channel, 2 groups in series of 2 parallel speakers (8 ohm load)
1 - Onkyo tx-607
7 - Monoprice 8" in-ceiling speakers.
About $2000 with 12awg speaker wire.
I have a split level house and a pool in the back yard.
I ran Coaxial Cable (with RCA ends) from my computer to my coat closet where the Carvin Amp is located (along with a 20 amp outlet) so I drive the system with mostly pandora, but there is no reason an ipod or such could drive it.
It powers 4 zones (Upstairs, Kitchen/Dining Room, Basement, and outside) all with plenty of power.
It is only a single source system, but I can see much of a need driving different rooms with different music.
The onkyo is in my Home Theater on my main level.
It also has coax run from it to the Carvin so I can have both system driven by the computer at the same time.
I find it works very well, the in-ceiling speakers are very wife approved and are a decent trade off.
My friends all like the system and it is very nice to have music through out the house for cleaning, parties, etc...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30021914</id>
	<title>HTD multiroom system</title>
	<author>Big Boss</author>
	<datestamp>1257696900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm using the multiroom audio system from HTD and it works quite well. Much less expensive than the other similar products and works well. The whole setup was about $2000 USD, a little pricey, but compared to the other products out there it looks really cheap. The control pads pass IR back to the base so you can control the devices at the head end, you can also wire sources from the control pads. I plug an iPod into a control panel and start it, then any room in the house can listen to it.</p><p>The downside is it's all hardwired, so you need to be able to get wires to the proper locations. The control pads need Cat5, speaker wires go from the amp to the speakers directly. The system can send up to 8 sources to 6 zones. Each zone can choose what source it wants to listen to.</p><p>I've seen wireless and powerline based systems, but the reviews online didn't seem very good. The HTD system works very well for me. I'm also using their in-ceiling speakers and they sound quite good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using the multiroom audio system from HTD and it works quite well .
Much less expensive than the other similar products and works well .
The whole setup was about $ 2000 USD , a little pricey , but compared to the other products out there it looks really cheap .
The control pads pass IR back to the base so you can control the devices at the head end , you can also wire sources from the control pads .
I plug an iPod into a control panel and start it , then any room in the house can listen to it.The downside is it 's all hardwired , so you need to be able to get wires to the proper locations .
The control pads need Cat5 , speaker wires go from the amp to the speakers directly .
The system can send up to 8 sources to 6 zones .
Each zone can choose what source it wants to listen to.I 've seen wireless and powerline based systems , but the reviews online did n't seem very good .
The HTD system works very well for me .
I 'm also using their in-ceiling speakers and they sound quite good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using the multiroom audio system from HTD and it works quite well.
Much less expensive than the other similar products and works well.
The whole setup was about $2000 USD, a little pricey, but compared to the other products out there it looks really cheap.
The control pads pass IR back to the base so you can control the devices at the head end, you can also wire sources from the control pads.
I plug an iPod into a control panel and start it, then any room in the house can listen to it.The downside is it's all hardwired, so you need to be able to get wires to the proper locations.
The control pads need Cat5, speaker wires go from the amp to the speakers directly.
The system can send up to 8 sources to 6 zones.
Each zone can choose what source it wants to listen to.I've seen wireless and powerline based systems, but the reviews online didn't seem very good.
The HTD system works very well for me.
I'm also using their in-ceiling speakers and they sound quite good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020718</id>
	<title>Er, laptop?</title>
	<author>brunes69</author>
	<datestamp>1257686820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just bring your laptop and small but great sounding portable speakers into whatever room you want to listen to music in?</p><p>That's what we have done for oh, 10 years? Works fine...</p><p>Dunno why people always have to over-complicate problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just bring your laptop and small but great sounding portable speakers into whatever room you want to listen to music in ? That 's what we have done for oh , 10 years ?
Works fine...Dunno why people always have to over-complicate problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just bring your laptop and small but great sounding portable speakers into whatever room you want to listen to music in?That's what we have done for oh, 10 years?
Works fine...Dunno why people always have to over-complicate problems.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30024402</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1257713340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The original poster was looking for something low cost.</p></div><p>Not strictly true, though I could perhaps have phrased it better.</p><p>I was looking for something at a fair price.  By fair, I don't mean expensive, I mean "is reasonable considering what you get for your money".  Logitech, for example, charge a lot less for their Squeezebox products - is this because they're terrible?  Or because Sonos are aiming at a market with more money than sense?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The original poster was looking for something low cost.Not strictly true , though I could perhaps have phrased it better.I was looking for something at a fair price .
By fair , I do n't mean expensive , I mean " is reasonable considering what you get for your money " .
Logitech , for example , charge a lot less for their Squeezebox products - is this because they 're terrible ?
Or because Sonos are aiming at a market with more money than sense ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The original poster was looking for something low cost.Not strictly true, though I could perhaps have phrased it better.I was looking for something at a fair price.
By fair, I don't mean expensive, I mean "is reasonable considering what you get for your money".
Logitech, for example, charge a lot less for their Squeezebox products - is this because they're terrible?
Or because Sonos are aiming at a market with more money than sense?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30021166</id>
	<title>What's the name of that home automation suite..?</title>
	<author>RichiH</author>
	<datestamp>1257692040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A good year ago there was this \_awesome\_ tech demo of video &amp; audio that followed you around the house, remotes which worked in 3D, lighting that went off when you left the house etc etc etc...</p><p>I have been looking for this stuff for ages, but as I can't seem to remember the name, I have been unable to find it again... Any help?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A good year ago there was this \ _awesome \ _ tech demo of video &amp; audio that followed you around the house , remotes which worked in 3D , lighting that went off when you left the house etc etc etc...I have been looking for this stuff for ages , but as I ca n't seem to remember the name , I have been unable to find it again... Any help ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A good year ago there was this \_awesome\_ tech demo of video &amp; audio that followed you around the house, remotes which worked in 3D, lighting that went off when you left the house etc etc etc...I have been looking for this stuff for ages, but as I can't seem to remember the name, I have been unable to find it again... Any help?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30027824</id>
	<title>if you dont use your telephone lines...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257693180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if you don't use land lines, already existing telephone lines can be used to send audio to almost any room in your house and since most houses are wired for two phones you generally can get stereo sound.<br>An issue with using these lines is noise, mostly from AC so a really nasty 60 hz hum. So how do the phone company and power companies share?<br>they use differentially encoded signals of course. Voltage spikes in the positive side of the signal are also negative in the negative side (overly simplified but you get the point). So when you put both sides of the signal into an op amp or transformer (almost all amplifiers perform this operation on the input signal) you get a nice clean signal. My brother and I used this technique to put audio throughout his house, for about $50 for 5 rooms. The end server was just a computer connected to the net running an audio server or something similar to control what is played. The remotes were then really opened. it could be a psp, nintendo wii, ps3, laptop, smart phone, or pda.<br>http://www.thatcorp.com/1570\_Low-Noise\_Differential\_Audio\_Preamplifier\_IC.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if you do n't use land lines , already existing telephone lines can be used to send audio to almost any room in your house and since most houses are wired for two phones you generally can get stereo sound.An issue with using these lines is noise , mostly from AC so a really nasty 60 hz hum .
So how do the phone company and power companies share ? they use differentially encoded signals of course .
Voltage spikes in the positive side of the signal are also negative in the negative side ( overly simplified but you get the point ) .
So when you put both sides of the signal into an op amp or transformer ( almost all amplifiers perform this operation on the input signal ) you get a nice clean signal .
My brother and I used this technique to put audio throughout his house , for about $ 50 for 5 rooms .
The end server was just a computer connected to the net running an audio server or something similar to control what is played .
The remotes were then really opened .
it could be a psp , nintendo wii , ps3 , laptop , smart phone , or pda.http : //www.thatcorp.com/1570 \ _Low-Noise \ _Differential \ _Audio \ _Preamplifier \ _IC.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you don't use land lines, already existing telephone lines can be used to send audio to almost any room in your house and since most houses are wired for two phones you generally can get stereo sound.An issue with using these lines is noise, mostly from AC so a really nasty 60 hz hum.
So how do the phone company and power companies share?they use differentially encoded signals of course.
Voltage spikes in the positive side of the signal are also negative in the negative side (overly simplified but you get the point).
So when you put both sides of the signal into an op amp or transformer (almost all amplifiers perform this operation on the input signal) you get a nice clean signal.
My brother and I used this technique to put audio throughout his house, for about $50 for 5 rooms.
The end server was just a computer connected to the net running an audio server or something similar to control what is played.
The remotes were then really opened.
it could be a psp, nintendo wii, ps3, laptop, smart phone, or pda.http://www.thatcorp.com/1570\_Low-Noise\_Differential\_Audio\_Preamplifier\_IC.html</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017670</id>
	<title>You're Guilty!</title>
	<author>woolio</author>
	<datestamp>1257597300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>I just replay the music in my head. This helps avoid copyright infringement suits.</b></p><p>Nay, you only think you are...</p><p>I say you are guilty of illegally creating a derivative work based upon copyrighted material.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just replay the music in my head .
This helps avoid copyright infringement suits.Nay , you only think you are...I say you are guilty of illegally creating a derivative work based upon copyrighted material .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just replay the music in my head.
This helps avoid copyright infringement suits.Nay, you only think you are...I say you are guilty of illegally creating a derivative work based upon copyrighted material.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30022186</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>parishboy</author>
	<datestamp>1257698700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Many of the posters here are ignoring that someone with less knowledge than yourself will have to operate this system. "Running wires" everywhere does nothing for control, especially if you only have volume knobs on the walls, and maybe an IR repeater. And of course, re-wiring a house is not an option for most people. Any proper multiroom audio system in a place with more than two adjacent rooms really requires one or more 2-way panels for control. <br> <br>This is another beef I have with Sonos, their only control interfaces are wireless, so if you misplace it or kill the battery, you have to run to a computer to control it, instead of a conveniently locaed in-wall touchpanel/keypad (inconvenient if your doorbell of phone rings and you can't pause or tweak the volume).
<br> <br>
You can certainly hack something together, but always remember that your momma (or her technical equivalent) should be able to use it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many of the posters here are ignoring that someone with less knowledge than yourself will have to operate this system .
" Running wires " everywhere does nothing for control , especially if you only have volume knobs on the walls , and maybe an IR repeater .
And of course , re-wiring a house is not an option for most people .
Any proper multiroom audio system in a place with more than two adjacent rooms really requires one or more 2-way panels for control .
This is another beef I have with Sonos , their only control interfaces are wireless , so if you misplace it or kill the battery , you have to run to a computer to control it , instead of a conveniently locaed in-wall touchpanel/keypad ( inconvenient if your doorbell of phone rings and you ca n't pause or tweak the volume ) .
You can certainly hack something together , but always remember that your momma ( or her technical equivalent ) should be able to use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many of the posters here are ignoring that someone with less knowledge than yourself will have to operate this system.
"Running wires" everywhere does nothing for control, especially if you only have volume knobs on the walls, and maybe an IR repeater.
And of course, re-wiring a house is not an option for most people.
Any proper multiroom audio system in a place with more than two adjacent rooms really requires one or more 2-way panels for control.
This is another beef I have with Sonos, their only control interfaces are wireless, so if you misplace it or kill the battery, you have to run to a computer to control it, instead of a conveniently locaed in-wall touchpanel/keypad (inconvenient if your doorbell of phone rings and you can't pause or tweak the volume).
You can certainly hack something together, but always remember that your momma (or her technical equivalent) should be able to use it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019796</id>
	<title>A-bus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257712440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my last house I installed a russound 4-room 4-zone A-bus system.  The raw kit (distribution hub, control panels and local source overrides) was  $600.  The system has a hub from which you run cat5 (carrying power &amp; audio) to the control panels and then speaker wire in the walls to the in wall speakers.  The only drawback was a limit of 4 amps to the speakers unless you bought (and wired in power for) an inline amplifier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my last house I installed a russound 4-room 4-zone A-bus system .
The raw kit ( distribution hub , control panels and local source overrides ) was $ 600 .
The system has a hub from which you run cat5 ( carrying power &amp; audio ) to the control panels and then speaker wire in the walls to the in wall speakers .
The only drawback was a limit of 4 amps to the speakers unless you bought ( and wired in power for ) an inline amplifier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my last house I installed a russound 4-room 4-zone A-bus system.
The raw kit (distribution hub, control panels and local source overrides) was  $600.
The system has a hub from which you run cat5 (carrying power &amp; audio) to the control panels and then speaker wire in the walls to the in wall speakers.
The only drawback was a limit of 4 amps to the speakers unless you bought (and wired in power for) an inline amplifier.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020182</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>IgePanda</author>
	<datestamp>1257677940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't get why all you people are suggesting computer-based solutions.<br>Running wires to each room in the house would be both cheaper and have sound quality independent of network quality.</p></div><p>Seconded.  Stack of amps, either different brands or with the ability to set a remote channel, IR repeater, cross connected via tape outs, and your usual CL2 speaker wire, 14 or 12 gauge.  Digital is nice, but unless you're running the same gear everywhere you're going to get something lagging behind.  </p><p>Alternatively you can go with low power FM over coax, and just have a receiver in each room.</p><p>Either way, we're talking surplus yet functional gear</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get why all you people are suggesting computer-based solutions.Running wires to each room in the house would be both cheaper and have sound quality independent of network quality.Seconded .
Stack of amps , either different brands or with the ability to set a remote channel , IR repeater , cross connected via tape outs , and your usual CL2 speaker wire , 14 or 12 gauge .
Digital is nice , but unless you 're running the same gear everywhere you 're going to get something lagging behind .
Alternatively you can go with low power FM over coax , and just have a receiver in each room.Either way , we 're talking surplus yet functional gear</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get why all you people are suggesting computer-based solutions.Running wires to each room in the house would be both cheaper and have sound quality independent of network quality.Seconded.
Stack of amps, either different brands or with the ability to set a remote channel, IR repeater, cross connected via tape outs, and your usual CL2 speaker wire, 14 or 12 gauge.
Digital is nice, but unless you're running the same gear everywhere you're going to get something lagging behind.
Alternatively you can go with low power FM over coax, and just have a receiver in each room.Either way, we're talking surplus yet functional gear
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30029856</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>Engeekneer</author>
	<datestamp>1257799860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I, eh.. seventh this? eight this? Anyway, get one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I , eh.. seventh this ?
eight this ?
Anyway , get one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I, eh.. seventh this?
eight this?
Anyway, get one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017714</id>
	<title>xbmc multizone audio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257597840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maybe someday xbmc will have multizone audio support.<br>there is also a thread about this topic: http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?p=367551</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe someday xbmc will have multizone audio support.there is also a thread about this topic : http : //xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php ? p = 367551</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe someday xbmc will have multizone audio support.there is also a thread about this topic: http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?p=367551</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017898</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1257599340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, do NOT do that.</p><p>The result is going to be a bunch of speakers wired in parallel, reducing the load across the amp down to less than an ohm, just go ahead and short your amp output now and save yourself the time of getting it all hooked up before you burn it up.</p><p>The reason the sound quality won't be good is because you're amp will be overdriven, carrying far more current than it expects to carry for a given output voltage.  The result will be an amp that overheats and fails.  You'll have to turn the volume up to 15 to hear it, really over driving the amp.  If you're lucky and the amp is smart, it'll clamp itself down to an acceptable current level, resulting in it turning a nice audio signal into a clipped, distorted mess.  You're more likely to just end up with a burnt out amp since obviously neither of you are aware of how this stuff works.</p><p>This is modded interesting, but ignorant is more appropriate, dangerous would be better yet.</p><p>Amps are designed for a specific load, generally 8 or 4 ohms per channel although you can find others, and some allow bridging of channels for different loads and output levels but you obviously have no clue.</p><p>Please don't ever give anyone advice on wiring ever again, it is clear you don't understand the basics of electricity.  While unlikely in this case, this sort of ignorance results in houses getting burned down and people dying on a regular basis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , do NOT do that.The result is going to be a bunch of speakers wired in parallel , reducing the load across the amp down to less than an ohm , just go ahead and short your amp output now and save yourself the time of getting it all hooked up before you burn it up.The reason the sound quality wo n't be good is because you 're amp will be overdriven , carrying far more current than it expects to carry for a given output voltage .
The result will be an amp that overheats and fails .
You 'll have to turn the volume up to 15 to hear it , really over driving the amp .
If you 're lucky and the amp is smart , it 'll clamp itself down to an acceptable current level , resulting in it turning a nice audio signal into a clipped , distorted mess .
You 're more likely to just end up with a burnt out amp since obviously neither of you are aware of how this stuff works.This is modded interesting , but ignorant is more appropriate , dangerous would be better yet.Amps are designed for a specific load , generally 8 or 4 ohms per channel although you can find others , and some allow bridging of channels for different loads and output levels but you obviously have no clue.Please do n't ever give anyone advice on wiring ever again , it is clear you do n't understand the basics of electricity .
While unlikely in this case , this sort of ignorance results in houses getting burned down and people dying on a regular basis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, do NOT do that.The result is going to be a bunch of speakers wired in parallel, reducing the load across the amp down to less than an ohm, just go ahead and short your amp output now and save yourself the time of getting it all hooked up before you burn it up.The reason the sound quality won't be good is because you're amp will be overdriven, carrying far more current than it expects to carry for a given output voltage.
The result will be an amp that overheats and fails.
You'll have to turn the volume up to 15 to hear it, really over driving the amp.
If you're lucky and the amp is smart, it'll clamp itself down to an acceptable current level, resulting in it turning a nice audio signal into a clipped, distorted mess.
You're more likely to just end up with a burnt out amp since obviously neither of you are aware of how this stuff works.This is modded interesting, but ignorant is more appropriate, dangerous would be better yet.Amps are designed for a specific load, generally 8 or 4 ohms per channel although you can find others, and some allow bridging of channels for different loads and output levels but you obviously have no clue.Please don't ever give anyone advice on wiring ever again, it is clear you don't understand the basics of electricity.
While unlikely in this case, this sort of ignorance results in houses getting burned down and people dying on a regular basis.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30038854</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>mattack2</author>
	<datestamp>1257763860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The HT Guys have covered this recently (and in the past, so you may want to look in the archives).</p><p>On the recent 397 podcast, they covered the Logitech Squeezebox, and on 386, they covered Airport Express &amp; iTunes.<br><a href="http://www.htguys.com/" title="htguys.com">http://www.htguys.com/</a> [htguys.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The HT Guys have covered this recently ( and in the past , so you may want to look in the archives ) .On the recent 397 podcast , they covered the Logitech Squeezebox , and on 386 , they covered Airport Express &amp; iTunes.http : //www.htguys.com/ [ htguys.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The HT Guys have covered this recently (and in the past, so you may want to look in the archives).On the recent 397 podcast, they covered the Logitech Squeezebox, and on 386, they covered Airport Express &amp; iTunes.http://www.htguys.com/ [htguys.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017884</id>
	<title>Move?</title>
	<author>RichardJenkins</author>
	<datestamp>1257599220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just move into a studio apartment. Problem solved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just move into a studio apartment .
Problem solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just move into a studio apartment.
Problem solved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017738</id>
	<title>Just get an amp &amp; distribution box</title>
	<author>lalena</author>
	<datestamp>1257597960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just use speaker wires to distribute the audio. I use a cheap stereo amp (~$150) and then a 4 pair impedence matching speaker distribution box w/ volume controls for each pair of speakers (~$150). The amp &amp; distribution box are in the stereo rack with the rest of the stereo equipment. I have this amp connected to the 2nd room output of my receiver. I get the 5.1 in the main room + 4 pairs of speakers for other rooms. Wiring is very easy this way. Only benefit of the more expensive systems is that they let you control the volume in the room itself and some repeat the remote IR signals that let you control everything from any room. Still, CD/DVD players that use radio frequency (not IR) remotes can be found for $50 so why bother.
<br>
I've posted some more ideas to my site: <a href="http://www.diyaudioandvideo.com/" title="diyaudioandvideo.com">http://www.diyaudioandvideo.com/</a> [diyaudioandvideo.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just use speaker wires to distribute the audio .
I use a cheap stereo amp ( ~ $ 150 ) and then a 4 pair impedence matching speaker distribution box w/ volume controls for each pair of speakers ( ~ $ 150 ) .
The amp &amp; distribution box are in the stereo rack with the rest of the stereo equipment .
I have this amp connected to the 2nd room output of my receiver .
I get the 5.1 in the main room + 4 pairs of speakers for other rooms .
Wiring is very easy this way .
Only benefit of the more expensive systems is that they let you control the volume in the room itself and some repeat the remote IR signals that let you control everything from any room .
Still , CD/DVD players that use radio frequency ( not IR ) remotes can be found for $ 50 so why bother .
I 've posted some more ideas to my site : http : //www.diyaudioandvideo.com/ [ diyaudioandvideo.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just use speaker wires to distribute the audio.
I use a cheap stereo amp (~$150) and then a 4 pair impedence matching speaker distribution box w/ volume controls for each pair of speakers (~$150).
The amp &amp; distribution box are in the stereo rack with the rest of the stereo equipment.
I have this amp connected to the 2nd room output of my receiver.
I get the 5.1 in the main room + 4 pairs of speakers for other rooms.
Wiring is very easy this way.
Only benefit of the more expensive systems is that they let you control the volume in the room itself and some repeat the remote IR signals that let you control everything from any room.
Still, CD/DVD players that use radio frequency (not IR) remotes can be found for $50 so why bother.
I've posted some more ideas to my site: http://www.diyaudioandvideo.com/ [diyaudioandvideo.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017622</id>
	<title>Low Power FM radio</title>
	<author>shking</author>
	<datestamp>1257596880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>About five years ago I, spent about $75 on a low power FM transmitter from <a href="http://www.canakit.com/fm-transmitters" title="canakit.com">CanaKit</a> [canakit.com]. I can get music anywhere in my house (or at close neighbors' houses) with a simple radio. CanaKit's transmitters cost from $20 up to $300 and have about a 150 meter range (about 500 feet).
<br> <br>
Recently I added the "Remote" app to my iPhone. Now I can chose songs and playlists without needing to walk over to the computer. Obviously this will not work if you can't, or won't, use iTunes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>About five years ago I , spent about $ 75 on a low power FM transmitter from CanaKit [ canakit.com ] .
I can get music anywhere in my house ( or at close neighbors ' houses ) with a simple radio .
CanaKit 's transmitters cost from $ 20 up to $ 300 and have about a 150 meter range ( about 500 feet ) .
Recently I added the " Remote " app to my iPhone .
Now I can chose songs and playlists without needing to walk over to the computer .
Obviously this will not work if you ca n't , or wo n't , use iTunes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About five years ago I, spent about $75 on a low power FM transmitter from CanaKit [canakit.com].
I can get music anywhere in my house (or at close neighbors' houses) with a simple radio.
CanaKit's transmitters cost from $20 up to $300 and have about a 150 meter range (about 500 feet).
Recently I added the "Remote" app to my iPhone.
Now I can chose songs and playlists without needing to walk over to the computer.
Obviously this will not work if you can't, or won't, use iTunes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30033896</id>
	<title>Some ideas on getting sound through out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257786720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had a similar situation in my basement.  I had one amp and multiple speakers of the same impedance.  But they were different sizes and wattages.  What did not help me was that all my rooms varied in size.  I was streaming my audio from my PC upstairs using a Linksys media adapter and car head rest display that I rigged up on my rack.  (actually looks pretty sweet)</p><p>But the problem was trying to get all rooms to be the right volume; the bigger rooms needed to be louder and the smaller rooms needed to be lower.  So what I ended up doing was daisy chaining my pre-amps together using the tape deck input / outputs So that I could have all the pre-amps play a single source and then used each individual volume knob to adjust the sound in each area.  Works really well and the great part is that I only have a need for one big stack of equipment which hides inside a computer rack in the corner with a nice plexi-glass front door.  Just and idea if you need a way to hide things.  Also the vented shelves help with removing the heat from the cabinet.</p><p>If you are not looking for full sound quality and more of like a back ground music; you could just purchase a few sets of small indoor<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/outdoor speakers and chain them all together and just run speaker wire through out the house.  Just make sure that you don't go under the minimum impedance.  If you receiver is 8 ohms as you are wiring in series the ohm load will continue to increase.  But at some point your amp will not be able to put out enough sound as the resistance goes up.  What ever you do; do not wire in parallel because this would drops the ohm load down below the minimum tolerance and this is when you can blow up the amplifier.   You may be able to do a combination of series and parallel but you would need to do some serious homework.</p><p>http://www.termpro.com/articles/spkrz.html</p><p>That link will explain further.  I however like the idea of separate amps and different size speakers based on the size of the room I am filling.  But everyone has different ideas of what they want.</p><p>Good luck!<br>Ed</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a similar situation in my basement .
I had one amp and multiple speakers of the same impedance .
But they were different sizes and wattages .
What did not help me was that all my rooms varied in size .
I was streaming my audio from my PC upstairs using a Linksys media adapter and car head rest display that I rigged up on my rack .
( actually looks pretty sweet ) But the problem was trying to get all rooms to be the right volume ; the bigger rooms needed to be louder and the smaller rooms needed to be lower .
So what I ended up doing was daisy chaining my pre-amps together using the tape deck input / outputs So that I could have all the pre-amps play a single source and then used each individual volume knob to adjust the sound in each area .
Works really well and the great part is that I only have a need for one big stack of equipment which hides inside a computer rack in the corner with a nice plexi-glass front door .
Just and idea if you need a way to hide things .
Also the vented shelves help with removing the heat from the cabinet.If you are not looking for full sound quality and more of like a back ground music ; you could just purchase a few sets of small indoor /outdoor speakers and chain them all together and just run speaker wire through out the house .
Just make sure that you do n't go under the minimum impedance .
If you receiver is 8 ohms as you are wiring in series the ohm load will continue to increase .
But at some point your amp will not be able to put out enough sound as the resistance goes up .
What ever you do ; do not wire in parallel because this would drops the ohm load down below the minimum tolerance and this is when you can blow up the amplifier .
You may be able to do a combination of series and parallel but you would need to do some serious homework.http : //www.termpro.com/articles/spkrz.htmlThat link will explain further .
I however like the idea of separate amps and different size speakers based on the size of the room I am filling .
But everyone has different ideas of what they want.Good luck ! Ed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a similar situation in my basement.
I had one amp and multiple speakers of the same impedance.
But they were different sizes and wattages.
What did not help me was that all my rooms varied in size.
I was streaming my audio from my PC upstairs using a Linksys media adapter and car head rest display that I rigged up on my rack.
(actually looks pretty sweet)But the problem was trying to get all rooms to be the right volume; the bigger rooms needed to be louder and the smaller rooms needed to be lower.
So what I ended up doing was daisy chaining my pre-amps together using the tape deck input / outputs So that I could have all the pre-amps play a single source and then used each individual volume knob to adjust the sound in each area.
Works really well and the great part is that I only have a need for one big stack of equipment which hides inside a computer rack in the corner with a nice plexi-glass front door.
Just and idea if you need a way to hide things.
Also the vented shelves help with removing the heat from the cabinet.If you are not looking for full sound quality and more of like a back ground music; you could just purchase a few sets of small indoor /outdoor speakers and chain them all together and just run speaker wire through out the house.
Just make sure that you don't go under the minimum impedance.
If you receiver is 8 ohms as you are wiring in series the ohm load will continue to increase.
But at some point your amp will not be able to put out enough sound as the resistance goes up.
What ever you do; do not wire in parallel because this would drops the ohm load down below the minimum tolerance and this is when you can blow up the amplifier.
You may be able to do a combination of series and parallel but you would need to do some serious homework.http://www.termpro.com/articles/spkrz.htmlThat link will explain further.
I however like the idea of separate amps and different size speakers based on the size of the room I am filling.
But everyone has different ideas of what they want.Good luck!Ed</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019384</id>
	<title>Considering all of the opinions given thus far...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257617940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You need to be a little more specific.  Forget about any stupid audiophile ideas.  Being an audiophile is a compulsive disease.  I have it.</p><p>You probably want multi-room audio because you anticipate moving around and listening to music, so while sound quality is important, your probably not going to notice every little detail or blemish.  Considering the wife factor, how attractive does this system need to be?  Do your speakers need to be built in?  Do you have an area in your home where you can conspicuously store a lot of equipment?  Lastly, how much control do you need?  Do you need to have the ability to run several streams of audio at the same time?  Does the system need to interface with AV equipment in individual rooms?  If you're handy, you can find reasonable in-ceiling or in-wall speakers, wall volume controls, and amplifiers for not a ton of money (though don't count on spending less than a few hundred dollars), and install those yourself.  If you're in a one story home, that's definitely the way to go.  Go get some good used computers.  Use one per audio stream, and use iPod touches or iPhones for remotes.  The interface is great.  Also, you're not investing in anything that isn't pretty easily upgradable.  If you do a good job on you're installation, you're speakers will add value to you're home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You need to be a little more specific .
Forget about any stupid audiophile ideas .
Being an audiophile is a compulsive disease .
I have it.You probably want multi-room audio because you anticipate moving around and listening to music , so while sound quality is important , your probably not going to notice every little detail or blemish .
Considering the wife factor , how attractive does this system need to be ?
Do your speakers need to be built in ?
Do you have an area in your home where you can conspicuously store a lot of equipment ?
Lastly , how much control do you need ?
Do you need to have the ability to run several streams of audio at the same time ?
Does the system need to interface with AV equipment in individual rooms ?
If you 're handy , you can find reasonable in-ceiling or in-wall speakers , wall volume controls , and amplifiers for not a ton of money ( though do n't count on spending less than a few hundred dollars ) , and install those yourself .
If you 're in a one story home , that 's definitely the way to go .
Go get some good used computers .
Use one per audio stream , and use iPod touches or iPhones for remotes .
The interface is great .
Also , you 're not investing in anything that is n't pretty easily upgradable .
If you do a good job on you 're installation , you 're speakers will add value to you 're home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need to be a little more specific.
Forget about any stupid audiophile ideas.
Being an audiophile is a compulsive disease.
I have it.You probably want multi-room audio because you anticipate moving around and listening to music, so while sound quality is important, your probably not going to notice every little detail or blemish.
Considering the wife factor, how attractive does this system need to be?
Do your speakers need to be built in?
Do you have an area in your home where you can conspicuously store a lot of equipment?
Lastly, how much control do you need?
Do you need to have the ability to run several streams of audio at the same time?
Does the system need to interface with AV equipment in individual rooms?
If you're handy, you can find reasonable in-ceiling or in-wall speakers, wall volume controls, and amplifiers for not a ton of money (though don't count on spending less than a few hundred dollars), and install those yourself.
If you're in a one story home, that's definitely the way to go.
Go get some good used computers.
Use one per audio stream, and use iPod touches or iPhones for remotes.
The interface is great.
Also, you're not investing in anything that isn't pretty easily upgradable.
If you do a good job on you're installation, you're speakers will add value to you're home.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30034128</id>
	<title>Sonos</title>
	<author>fulldecent</author>
	<datestamp>1257787560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get Sonos.</p><p>There are amped and un-amped versions. Use their branded remote or the Desktop/iPhone/iPod app. 100\% recommend.</p><p>Here is a light info PDF <a href="http://hometheater4you.com/sonos.pdf" title="hometheater4you.com">http://hometheater4you.com/sonos.pdf</a> [hometheater4you.com] -- or go to the website.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get Sonos.There are amped and un-amped versions .
Use their branded remote or the Desktop/iPhone/iPod app .
100 \ % recommend.Here is a light info PDF http : //hometheater4you.com/sonos.pdf [ hometheater4you.com ] -- or go to the website .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get Sonos.There are amped and un-amped versions.
Use their branded remote or the Desktop/iPhone/iPod app.
100\% recommend.Here is a light info PDF http://hometheater4you.com/sonos.pdf [hometheater4you.com] -- or go to the website.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017478</id>
	<title>squeezebox family</title>
	<author>rolfpal</author>
	<datestamp>1257595680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The squeezebox family from Logitec (used to be slim devices)  rocks.  It will read all of your music + internet radio stations plus more, available as inexpensive component audio, boom boxes and even high end audio components</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The squeezebox family from Logitec ( used to be slim devices ) rocks .
It will read all of your music + internet radio stations plus more , available as inexpensive component audio , boom boxes and even high end audio components</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The squeezebox family from Logitec (used to be slim devices)  rocks.
It will read all of your music + internet radio stations plus more, available as inexpensive component audio, boom boxes and even high end audio components</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018464</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>lcampagn</author>
	<datestamp>1257605040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks for the lesson in basic electricity, I must have slept through that one.
As noted below, the resistance of most phone lines is enough to prevent most amps from setting your children on fire. Obviously some caution should be applied when overloading your very expensive amp, but most amps will just distort or at worst blow a fuse if you drive them too hard.

In my own experience, a $30/50W amp was able to drive two speakers directly plus 4 more distributed throughout the house without distortion, destruction, or death of any kind (impedance came out to ~3Ohm, IIRC). Yes, I had to turn the volume down on the amp to prevent distortion, but the output was plenty loud enough to fill the house.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for the lesson in basic electricity , I must have slept through that one .
As noted below , the resistance of most phone lines is enough to prevent most amps from setting your children on fire .
Obviously some caution should be applied when overloading your very expensive amp , but most amps will just distort or at worst blow a fuse if you drive them too hard .
In my own experience , a $ 30/50W amp was able to drive two speakers directly plus 4 more distributed throughout the house without distortion , destruction , or death of any kind ( impedance came out to ~ 3Ohm , IIRC ) .
Yes , I had to turn the volume down on the amp to prevent distortion , but the output was plenty loud enough to fill the house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for the lesson in basic electricity, I must have slept through that one.
As noted below, the resistance of most phone lines is enough to prevent most amps from setting your children on fire.
Obviously some caution should be applied when overloading your very expensive amp, but most amps will just distort or at worst blow a fuse if you drive them too hard.
In my own experience, a $30/50W amp was able to drive two speakers directly plus 4 more distributed throughout the house without distortion, destruction, or death of any kind (impedance came out to ~3Ohm, IIRC).
Yes, I had to turn the volume down on the amp to prevent distortion, but the output was plenty loud enough to fill the house.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018864</id>
	<title>Squeezebox family FTW!</title>
	<author>notanatheist</author>
	<datestamp>1257610980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sonos = cheese when you factor in cost, flexibility, freedom. Squeezecenter runs on Windows, Mac, Linux. Web interface. Internet radio. Quite affordable. Very flexible. They're so damn good that most people don't own just one. I have four at home and two at work. One is the BoomBox which is perfect for the kitchen or other small rooms. The newest models have touchscreens which I'd love to get my hands on (literally too!!). You can keep a setup small and the sound big when you pair a Squeezebox with a T-amp and a nice set of bookshelf speakers. You could buy a unit with a speaker built in. You can even get a unit without a display and a pretty remote.
<br> <br>
And flexibility in Squeezecenter is unmatched! You can stream FLAC, MP3, OGG, WAV, AAC, or darn near anything else and choose what to transcode and where to do it, server or client side!
<br> <br>
Seriously, Sonos can even come close?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sonos = cheese when you factor in cost , flexibility , freedom .
Squeezecenter runs on Windows , Mac , Linux .
Web interface .
Internet radio .
Quite affordable .
Very flexible .
They 're so damn good that most people do n't own just one .
I have four at home and two at work .
One is the BoomBox which is perfect for the kitchen or other small rooms .
The newest models have touchscreens which I 'd love to get my hands on ( literally too ! ! ) .
You can keep a setup small and the sound big when you pair a Squeezebox with a T-amp and a nice set of bookshelf speakers .
You could buy a unit with a speaker built in .
You can even get a unit without a display and a pretty remote .
And flexibility in Squeezecenter is unmatched !
You can stream FLAC , MP3 , OGG , WAV , AAC , or darn near anything else and choose what to transcode and where to do it , server or client side !
Seriously , Sonos can even come close ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sonos = cheese when you factor in cost, flexibility, freedom.
Squeezecenter runs on Windows, Mac, Linux.
Web interface.
Internet radio.
Quite affordable.
Very flexible.
They're so damn good that most people don't own just one.
I have four at home and two at work.
One is the BoomBox which is perfect for the kitchen or other small rooms.
The newest models have touchscreens which I'd love to get my hands on (literally too!!).
You can keep a setup small and the sound big when you pair a Squeezebox with a T-amp and a nice set of bookshelf speakers.
You could buy a unit with a speaker built in.
You can even get a unit without a display and a pretty remote.
And flexibility in Squeezecenter is unmatched!
You can stream FLAC, MP3, OGG, WAV, AAC, or darn near anything else and choose what to transcode and where to do it, server or client side!
Seriously, Sonos can even come close?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019642</id>
	<title>Re:Deliver the audio via FM-radio</title>
	<author>BarlowBrad</author>
	<datestamp>1257622380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Any suggestions on a decent transmitter? All the ones I have tried can barely get across a room, let alone through a wall.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Any suggestions on a decent transmitter ?
All the ones I have tried can barely get across a room , let alone through a wall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any suggestions on a decent transmitter?
All the ones I have tried can barely get across a room, let alone through a wall.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018356</id>
	<title>sonos</title>
	<author>aachrisg</author>
	<datestamp>1257603840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd unhesitatingly recommend sonos. Its one of the few electronic products that I own that I am completely satisfied with.
It should pass the wife test - the controller is very pleasant to use (though controlling it with the iphone is pretty nice as well), and its hassle free. You don't need to do anything on the computer at all to use it or even to set it up.
They have 3 solutions for audio output - a bare module which outputs line-level audio and so requires an amplifier + speakers, a module with a built in amplifier (so just hook it up to speakers), and a system similar to an ipod dock which includes
speakers.

The whole house control is excellent, allowing you to arbitrarily link any units together for synchronized audio, or play differnet audio on any unit.

There integration with internet streaming is excellent, and their rhapsody implementation is particularly good - songs streamed from rhapsody are usable in playlists as if they were on your local nas. You get a free rhapsody streaming demo account
with it, and chance are after it expires, you're going to end up subscribing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd unhesitatingly recommend sonos .
Its one of the few electronic products that I own that I am completely satisfied with .
It should pass the wife test - the controller is very pleasant to use ( though controlling it with the iphone is pretty nice as well ) , and its hassle free .
You do n't need to do anything on the computer at all to use it or even to set it up .
They have 3 solutions for audio output - a bare module which outputs line-level audio and so requires an amplifier + speakers , a module with a built in amplifier ( so just hook it up to speakers ) , and a system similar to an ipod dock which includes speakers .
The whole house control is excellent , allowing you to arbitrarily link any units together for synchronized audio , or play differnet audio on any unit .
There integration with internet streaming is excellent , and their rhapsody implementation is particularly good - songs streamed from rhapsody are usable in playlists as if they were on your local nas .
You get a free rhapsody streaming demo account with it , and chance are after it expires , you 're going to end up subscribing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd unhesitatingly recommend sonos.
Its one of the few electronic products that I own that I am completely satisfied with.
It should pass the wife test - the controller is very pleasant to use (though controlling it with the iphone is pretty nice as well), and its hassle free.
You don't need to do anything on the computer at all to use it or even to set it up.
They have 3 solutions for audio output - a bare module which outputs line-level audio and so requires an amplifier + speakers, a module with a built in amplifier (so just hook it up to speakers), and a system similar to an ipod dock which includes
speakers.
The whole house control is excellent, allowing you to arbitrarily link any units together for synchronized audio, or play differnet audio on any unit.
There integration with internet streaming is excellent, and their rhapsody implementation is particularly good - songs streamed from rhapsody are usable in playlists as if they were on your local nas.
You get a free rhapsody streaming demo account
with it, and chance are after it expires, you're going to end up subscribing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017552</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>dschuetz</author>
	<datestamp>1257596280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I second this. I'm using squeeze server on a linux box with all my mp3s on it, slaved to a bunch of old Dell Rio Receivers that aren't fantastic, but work good enough for squeeze. They're all in the basement (I've actually got in-ceiling speakers throughout the house wired to the server room) and controlled through browsers and an iPhone app.</p><p>In most cases, though, just stick those in different rooms (find 'em on eBay, maybe) or a bunch of Squeezebox players (slimp3, etc.), hook them up with ethernet, and you're good. Use the browser, or an iPhone or iPod touch for controlling them, or you can even buy a fairly cool gui controller from Logitech that works with the whole thing. (though I'd probably recommend the iPod Touch route, 'cause you can do a lot more with it and it costs about the same as the controller does).</p><p>Anyway, it's cool, and reasonably open too (their hardware information is even available on a wiki, with block diagrams and software source code).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I second this .
I 'm using squeeze server on a linux box with all my mp3s on it , slaved to a bunch of old Dell Rio Receivers that are n't fantastic , but work good enough for squeeze .
They 're all in the basement ( I 've actually got in-ceiling speakers throughout the house wired to the server room ) and controlled through browsers and an iPhone app.In most cases , though , just stick those in different rooms ( find 'em on eBay , maybe ) or a bunch of Squeezebox players ( slimp3 , etc .
) , hook them up with ethernet , and you 're good .
Use the browser , or an iPhone or iPod touch for controlling them , or you can even buy a fairly cool gui controller from Logitech that works with the whole thing .
( though I 'd probably recommend the iPod Touch route , 'cause you can do a lot more with it and it costs about the same as the controller does ) .Anyway , it 's cool , and reasonably open too ( their hardware information is even available on a wiki , with block diagrams and software source code ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second this.
I'm using squeeze server on a linux box with all my mp3s on it, slaved to a bunch of old Dell Rio Receivers that aren't fantastic, but work good enough for squeeze.
They're all in the basement (I've actually got in-ceiling speakers throughout the house wired to the server room) and controlled through browsers and an iPhone app.In most cases, though, just stick those in different rooms (find 'em on eBay, maybe) or a bunch of Squeezebox players (slimp3, etc.
), hook them up with ethernet, and you're good.
Use the browser, or an iPhone or iPod touch for controlling them, or you can even buy a fairly cool gui controller from Logitech that works with the whole thing.
(though I'd probably recommend the iPod Touch route, 'cause you can do a lot more with it and it costs about the same as the controller does).Anyway, it's cool, and reasonably open too (their hardware information is even available on a wiki, with block diagrams and software source code).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017488</id>
	<title>Squeezebox</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257595800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Squeezebox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeezebox\_\%28network\_music\_player\%29<br>Have some, they work great.</p><p>I don't understand the part about not wanting separate "separate amp, speakers and PC in each room".  I understand not wanting computers everywhere.  But you pretty much need speakers in every room that you want sound (unless you are OK playing it louder in an adjacent room).  Get some decent powered speakers if yo don't want a separate amp box.  (Don't skimp on the speakers, btw.  The squeezeboxes have exceptional sound quality.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Squeezebox : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeezebox \ _ \ % 28network \ _music \ _player \ % 29Have some , they work great.I do n't understand the part about not wanting separate " separate amp , speakers and PC in each room " .
I understand not wanting computers everywhere .
But you pretty much need speakers in every room that you want sound ( unless you are OK playing it louder in an adjacent room ) .
Get some decent powered speakers if yo do n't want a separate amp box .
( Do n't skimp on the speakers , btw .
The squeezeboxes have exceptional sound quality .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Squeezebox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeezebox\_\%28network\_music\_player\%29Have some, they work great.I don't understand the part about not wanting separate "separate amp, speakers and PC in each room".
I understand not wanting computers everywhere.
But you pretty much need speakers in every room that you want sound (unless you are OK playing it louder in an adjacent room).
Get some decent powered speakers if yo don't want a separate amp box.
(Don't skimp on the speakers, btw.
The squeezeboxes have exceptional sound quality.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020732</id>
	<title>Apple TV</title>
	<author>fa4744</author>
	<datestamp>1257687060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have my Apple TV connected to my tv and a panasonic, PT-sc760, surround system.  The Panasonic system has a wireless receiver, SH-FX85 that I have in the kitchen.  I can listen to my iTunes library or the ballgame in the kitchen.  The only downside is that I have to have the tv on and the living room setup turned on to listen in the kitchen.  Overall though, it's a relatively inexpensive way to get sound in multiple rooms and the functionality I want (music and video through itunes).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have my Apple TV connected to my tv and a panasonic , PT-sc760 , surround system .
The Panasonic system has a wireless receiver , SH-FX85 that I have in the kitchen .
I can listen to my iTunes library or the ballgame in the kitchen .
The only downside is that I have to have the tv on and the living room setup turned on to listen in the kitchen .
Overall though , it 's a relatively inexpensive way to get sound in multiple rooms and the functionality I want ( music and video through itunes ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have my Apple TV connected to my tv and a panasonic, PT-sc760, surround system.
The Panasonic system has a wireless receiver, SH-FX85 that I have in the kitchen.
I can listen to my iTunes library or the ballgame in the kitchen.
The only downside is that I have to have the tv on and the living room setup turned on to listen in the kitchen.
Overall though, it's a relatively inexpensive way to get sound in multiple rooms and the functionality I want (music and video through itunes).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018250</id>
	<title>requirements?</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1257602880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe you could clarify your requirements. You say "something which requires a separate amp, speakers and PC in each room and requires a keyboard to control is right out." Which of those things do you have to avoid? You certainly can't avoid speakers. When you say you don't want an amp, do you mean you don't want any amp at all, or you just don't want one the size of a traditional stereo amp? If you don't want any amp at all, then you're going to have to run speaker cables around the house, and that's that. When you say you don't want a separate amp, speakers, and PC in each room, do you really mean you just don't want a PC in each room? What kind of audio quality do you need? If all you want is the ability to play some tunes while you're cleaning the bathroom, then a portable music player would probably do the job.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe you could clarify your requirements .
You say " something which requires a separate amp , speakers and PC in each room and requires a keyboard to control is right out .
" Which of those things do you have to avoid ?
You certainly ca n't avoid speakers .
When you say you do n't want an amp , do you mean you do n't want any amp at all , or you just do n't want one the size of a traditional stereo amp ?
If you do n't want any amp at all , then you 're going to have to run speaker cables around the house , and that 's that .
When you say you do n't want a separate amp , speakers , and PC in each room , do you really mean you just do n't want a PC in each room ?
What kind of audio quality do you need ?
If all you want is the ability to play some tunes while you 're cleaning the bathroom , then a portable music player would probably do the job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe you could clarify your requirements.
You say "something which requires a separate amp, speakers and PC in each room and requires a keyboard to control is right out.
" Which of those things do you have to avoid?
You certainly can't avoid speakers.
When you say you don't want an amp, do you mean you don't want any amp at all, or you just don't want one the size of a traditional stereo amp?
If you don't want any amp at all, then you're going to have to run speaker cables around the house, and that's that.
When you say you don't want a separate amp, speakers, and PC in each room, do you really mean you just don't want a PC in each room?
What kind of audio quality do you need?
If all you want is the ability to play some tunes while you're cleaning the bathroom, then a portable music player would probably do the job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30024622</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>maiden\_taiwan</author>
	<datestamp>1257671640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Squeezeboxes are AMAZING. I have 7 of them in my home, and with a few button-presses, they can all be synchronized for whole-house audio.  Also the server is open-source (Perl) and you can create your own plug-ins. I'm using plug-ins for faster search, logging of all tracks played, and creation of sync groups (so with one press, you can, say, set all your upstairs squeezeboxes to play one tune and all the downstairs ones another tune).

Some squeezeboxes have built-in speakers (the Boom) and others require a stereo system. I have never regretted buying them.

For the ultimate in space-efficiency, you can connect a speakerless squeezebox (e.g., the Classic) to a tiny in-wall amplifier (www.wireless-experts.com) that fits into a lightswitch box, connected to wall-mounted speakers. All people see is the squeezebox, the speakers, and a volume knob on the wall. Nice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Squeezeboxes are AMAZING .
I have 7 of them in my home , and with a few button-presses , they can all be synchronized for whole-house audio .
Also the server is open-source ( Perl ) and you can create your own plug-ins .
I 'm using plug-ins for faster search , logging of all tracks played , and creation of sync groups ( so with one press , you can , say , set all your upstairs squeezeboxes to play one tune and all the downstairs ones another tune ) .
Some squeezeboxes have built-in speakers ( the Boom ) and others require a stereo system .
I have never regretted buying them .
For the ultimate in space-efficiency , you can connect a speakerless squeezebox ( e.g. , the Classic ) to a tiny in-wall amplifier ( www.wireless-experts.com ) that fits into a lightswitch box , connected to wall-mounted speakers .
All people see is the squeezebox , the speakers , and a volume knob on the wall .
Nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Squeezeboxes are AMAZING.
I have 7 of them in my home, and with a few button-presses, they can all be synchronized for whole-house audio.
Also the server is open-source (Perl) and you can create your own plug-ins.
I'm using plug-ins for faster search, logging of all tracks played, and creation of sync groups (so with one press, you can, say, set all your upstairs squeezeboxes to play one tune and all the downstairs ones another tune).
Some squeezeboxes have built-in speakers (the Boom) and others require a stereo system.
I have never regretted buying them.
For the ultimate in space-efficiency, you can connect a speakerless squeezebox (e.g., the Classic) to a tiny in-wall amplifier (www.wireless-experts.com) that fits into a lightswitch box, connected to wall-mounted speakers.
All people see is the squeezebox, the speakers, and a volume knob on the wall.
Nice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017922</id>
	<title>wired player with iPod iface</title>
	<author>davygrvy</author>
	<datestamp>1257599520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.auraliti.com/" title="auraliti.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.auraliti.com/</a> [auraliti.com]<br>amp with volume control needed and speakers</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.auraliti.com/ [ auraliti.com ] amp with volume control needed and speakers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.auraliti.com/ [auraliti.com]amp with volume control needed and speakers</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020562</id>
	<title>XBMC on xboxes networked to your NAS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257684120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about plugging an old xbox (what?  $20 per unit these days?), installing xbmc (another $20 for softmod equipment), and then using them to drive powered speakers ($no idea).  You can then use the living room one to generate music for the existing amp, and upgrade amps in other rooms where you want improved quality.  Of course, without a TV you'd have to control the xboxs with another device.  I recommend any web browser or even one of the iPhone/iPod touch based interfaces available.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about plugging an old xbox ( what ?
$ 20 per unit these days ?
) , installing xbmc ( another $ 20 for softmod equipment ) , and then using them to drive powered speakers ( $ no idea ) .
You can then use the living room one to generate music for the existing amp , and upgrade amps in other rooms where you want improved quality .
Of course , without a TV you 'd have to control the xboxs with another device .
I recommend any web browser or even one of the iPhone/iPod touch based interfaces available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about plugging an old xbox (what?
$20 per unit these days?
), installing xbmc (another $20 for softmod equipment), and then using them to drive powered speakers ($no idea).
You can then use the living room one to generate music for the existing amp, and upgrade amps in other rooms where you want improved quality.
Of course, without a TV you'd have to control the xboxs with another device.
I recommend any web browser or even one of the iPhone/iPod touch based interfaces available.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30028390</id>
	<title>Phase matters if the rooms are within earshot....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257698160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't have a delay of even a few milliseconds without screwing up the phase.  Simplified, when the speaker cone goes "out" in one room, you need the speaker cone to go "out" in the other room - pressure up everywhere - if you screw up and one is delayed, then one will push, the other will pull, cancelling out between them, massively screwing up the sound in any area where you are exposed to more than one speaker...</p><p>If you think anything involving a network and a sound card is going to have sub millisecond latency, you are more optimistic than I would be...</p><p>Simple solution:  Amplifiers, like a 4 channel (A speakers B speakers) for each 2 rooms.  Line level wires from the source.  Control it at the source.  Copper.  RCA plugs.  Cheap, easy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't have a delay of even a few milliseconds without screwing up the phase .
Simplified , when the speaker cone goes " out " in one room , you need the speaker cone to go " out " in the other room - pressure up everywhere - if you screw up and one is delayed , then one will push , the other will pull , cancelling out between them , massively screwing up the sound in any area where you are exposed to more than one speaker...If you think anything involving a network and a sound card is going to have sub millisecond latency , you are more optimistic than I would be...Simple solution : Amplifiers , like a 4 channel ( A speakers B speakers ) for each 2 rooms .
Line level wires from the source .
Control it at the source .
Copper. RCA plugs .
Cheap , easy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't have a delay of even a few milliseconds without screwing up the phase.
Simplified, when the speaker cone goes "out" in one room, you need the speaker cone to go "out" in the other room - pressure up everywhere - if you screw up and one is delayed, then one will push, the other will pull, cancelling out between them, massively screwing up the sound in any area where you are exposed to more than one speaker...If you think anything involving a network and a sound card is going to have sub millisecond latency, you are more optimistic than I would be...Simple solution:  Amplifiers, like a 4 channel (A speakers B speakers) for each 2 rooms.
Line level wires from the source.
Control it at the source.
Copper.  RCA plugs.
Cheap, easy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017742</id>
	<title>Simple enough</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257598020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're happy to run wires:</p><p>Plug a small/cheap portable mixing desk into an Airport's audio-out: You'll need a desk with multiple audio-outs and a pre-amp (Mine cost $100 in New Zealand). You'll be able to produce a bunch of line-level outs from a single audio source.</p><p>Run an RCA pair cable to each room, plug them into various amplifiers, and you're away.</p><p>If you need wireless, well:</p><p>(I do something similar to this to drive a bunch of hardware from a DJ mixer: I end up needing 4-5 stereo pairs at line level).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're happy to run wires : Plug a small/cheap portable mixing desk into an Airport 's audio-out : You 'll need a desk with multiple audio-outs and a pre-amp ( Mine cost $ 100 in New Zealand ) .
You 'll be able to produce a bunch of line-level outs from a single audio source.Run an RCA pair cable to each room , plug them into various amplifiers , and you 're away.If you need wireless , well : ( I do something similar to this to drive a bunch of hardware from a DJ mixer : I end up needing 4-5 stereo pairs at line level ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're happy to run wires:Plug a small/cheap portable mixing desk into an Airport's audio-out: You'll need a desk with multiple audio-outs and a pre-amp (Mine cost $100 in New Zealand).
You'll be able to produce a bunch of line-level outs from a single audio source.Run an RCA pair cable to each room, plug them into various amplifiers, and you're away.If you need wireless, well:(I do something similar to this to drive a bunch of hardware from a DJ mixer: I end up needing 4-5 stereo pairs at line level).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017958</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech Squeezebox</title>
	<author>the eric conspiracy</author>
	<datestamp>1257600000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have two Squeezebox Classic units. They are extremely well thought out devices with great software. With your music on a NAS server and wifi you can have distributed access to your music collection throughout your house. These things support streaming of FLAC files so lossless reproduction to very high quality levels is supported.</p><p>You can use a device like the Boom, or attach a Squeezebox to an existing setup equally easily.</p><p>These support playing back streaming audio from the internet as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have two Squeezebox Classic units .
They are extremely well thought out devices with great software .
With your music on a NAS server and wifi you can have distributed access to your music collection throughout your house .
These things support streaming of FLAC files so lossless reproduction to very high quality levels is supported.You can use a device like the Boom , or attach a Squeezebox to an existing setup equally easily.These support playing back streaming audio from the internet as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have two Squeezebox Classic units.
They are extremely well thought out devices with great software.
With your music on a NAS server and wifi you can have distributed access to your music collection throughout your house.
These things support streaming of FLAC files so lossless reproduction to very high quality levels is supported.You can use a device like the Boom, or attach a Squeezebox to an existing setup equally easily.These support playing back streaming audio from the internet as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019862</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>physburn</author>
	<datestamp>1257713760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its quite cheap to buy wireless headphones, its much harder to find a good long range
remte control. Of course there always the teenages favourite "turn it up to really f***ing
loud" for long range audio. Since your only in one room at a time, not sure why you'd
want a multiroom hifi system. Mp3 are so great for on the move, and don't annoy the
whole street.
<p>
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<a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/blogs/Hi-Fi/feed.html" title="feeddistiller.com">Hi-Fi</a> [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ <a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/" title="feeddistiller.com">Feed Distiller</a> [feeddistiller.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its quite cheap to buy wireless headphones , its much harder to find a good long range remte control .
Of course there always the teenages favourite " turn it up to really f * * * ing loud " for long range audio .
Since your only in one room at a time , not sure why you 'd want a multiroom hifi system .
Mp3 are so great for on the move , and do n't annoy the whole street .
--- Hi-Fi [ feeddistiller.com ] Feed @ Feed Distiller [ feeddistiller.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its quite cheap to buy wireless headphones, its much harder to find a good long range
remte control.
Of course there always the teenages favourite "turn it up to really f***ing
loud" for long range audio.
Since your only in one room at a time, not sure why you'd
want a multiroom hifi system.
Mp3 are so great for on the move, and don't annoy the
whole street.
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Hi-Fi [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ Feed Distiller [feeddistiller.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018020</id>
	<title>Good quality wireless FM transmitter....</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1257600480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...with a range of 20-30m or so. One that lets you tune the frequency within a nice large range. Provided it's legal where you live. Then all you need in each room is a standard radio to receive it. If you already have one, total cost is the purchase and running cost of the transmitter. Won't give you optimal quality but it's cheap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...with a range of 20-30m or so .
One that lets you tune the frequency within a nice large range .
Provided it 's legal where you live .
Then all you need in each room is a standard radio to receive it .
If you already have one , total cost is the purchase and running cost of the transmitter .
Wo n't give you optimal quality but it 's cheap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...with a range of 20-30m or so.
One that lets you tune the frequency within a nice large range.
Provided it's legal where you live.
Then all you need in each room is a standard radio to receive it.
If you already have one, total cost is the purchase and running cost of the transmitter.
Won't give you optimal quality but it's cheap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018148</id>
	<title>UPnP AV / DLNA to the rescue... soon... maybe</title>
	<author>inu\_maru</author>
	<datestamp>1257601740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the upcomming months plenty of companies will start offering DLNA DMR devices (https://coherence.beebits.net/wiki/MediaRenderer).<br>You can stream the music from your NAS directly to this devices, as long as you have the software (ushare, twonkymedia, windows 7 has it as 'Play To').<br>There are not many devices available as of now, but they will be in the next few months.<br>DMR software: foobar2000 (need a plugin), rythmbox (needs a plugin)</p><p>Just an idea, you can google the rest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the upcomming months plenty of companies will start offering DLNA DMR devices ( https : //coherence.beebits.net/wiki/MediaRenderer ) .You can stream the music from your NAS directly to this devices , as long as you have the software ( ushare , twonkymedia , windows 7 has it as 'Play To ' ) .There are not many devices available as of now , but they will be in the next few months.DMR software : foobar2000 ( need a plugin ) , rythmbox ( needs a plugin ) Just an idea , you can google the rest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the upcomming months plenty of companies will start offering DLNA DMR devices (https://coherence.beebits.net/wiki/MediaRenderer).You can stream the music from your NAS directly to this devices, as long as you have the software (ushare, twonkymedia, windows 7 has it as 'Play To').There are not many devices available as of now, but they will be in the next few months.DMR software: foobar2000 (need a plugin), rythmbox (needs a plugin)Just an idea, you can google the rest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020240</id>
	<title>get</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257678780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>get a walkman, a wogbox or a proper stereo an mount it on a cart.</htmltext>
<tokenext>get a walkman , a wogbox or a proper stereo an mount it on a cart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>get a walkman, a wogbox or a proper stereo an mount it on a cart.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019020</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257612780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>+1 for squeezebox - get a couple of squeezebox booms, they're cheap, sound *great* and you can get an iphone app to control them all (very handy).</p><p>just make sure your NAS has enough grunt to run the server app.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 for squeezebox - get a couple of squeezebox booms , they 're cheap , sound * great * and you can get an iphone app to control them all ( very handy ) .just make sure your NAS has enough grunt to run the server app .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 for squeezebox - get a couple of squeezebox booms, they're cheap, sound *great* and you can get an iphone app to control them all (very handy).just make sure your NAS has enough grunt to run the server app.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017806</id>
	<title>iPod</title>
	<author>icebike</author>
	<datestamp>1257598560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its called an iPod.</p><p>You don't have to listen to someone elses choice in music, and they don't have to listen to yours.</p><p>You will no sooner get this installed than you will realize what a huge mistake this was.  If/when teenagers arrive in the house you have a disaster in the making.</p><p>Music, like your reading material should be a personal issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its called an iPod.You do n't have to listen to someone elses choice in music , and they do n't have to listen to yours.You will no sooner get this installed than you will realize what a huge mistake this was .
If/when teenagers arrive in the house you have a disaster in the making.Music , like your reading material should be a personal issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its called an iPod.You don't have to listen to someone elses choice in music, and they don't have to listen to yours.You will no sooner get this installed than you will realize what a huge mistake this was.
If/when teenagers arrive in the house you have a disaster in the making.Music, like your reading material should be a personal issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019136</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1257614400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The result is going to be a bunch of speakers wired in parallel, reducing the load across the amp down to less than an ohm, just go ahead and short your amp output now and save yourself the time of getting it all hooked up before you burn it up.</p></div><p>As I posted in another part of this discussion - use <a href="http://www.smarthome.com/8262/80-Watt-Impedance-Matching-Stereo-Speaker-Volume-Control-NX-VM803C/p.aspx" title="smarthome.com">these $35 impedance matching volume controls</a> [smarthome.com] to handle the problem of running a bunch of speakers in parallel from one source.  They will s support up to 16 or  32 pairs of speakers depending on if the amp does 8 or 4 ohms.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The result is going to be a bunch of speakers wired in parallel , reducing the load across the amp down to less than an ohm , just go ahead and short your amp output now and save yourself the time of getting it all hooked up before you burn it up.As I posted in another part of this discussion - use these $ 35 impedance matching volume controls [ smarthome.com ] to handle the problem of running a bunch of speakers in parallel from one source .
They will s support up to 16 or 32 pairs of speakers depending on if the amp does 8 or 4 ohms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The result is going to be a bunch of speakers wired in parallel, reducing the load across the amp down to less than an ohm, just go ahead and short your amp output now and save yourself the time of getting it all hooked up before you burn it up.As I posted in another part of this discussion - use these $35 impedance matching volume controls [smarthome.com] to handle the problem of running a bunch of speakers in parallel from one source.
They will s support up to 16 or  32 pairs of speakers depending on if the amp does 8 or 4 ohms.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018212</id>
	<title>MPD+Pulseaudio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257602400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the technical way to make it happen, but I use MPD and have pulseaudio outputs throughout the house, connected through my network. Enable output, disable output, etc.. or open them all and have a out of sync symphony<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the technical way to make it happen , but I use MPD and have pulseaudio outputs throughout the house , connected through my network .
Enable output , disable output , etc.. or open them all and have a out of sync symphony : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the technical way to make it happen, but I use MPD and have pulseaudio outputs throughout the house, connected through my network.
Enable output, disable output, etc.. or open them all and have a out of sync symphony :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018222</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>Dare nMc</author>
	<datestamp>1257602520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He is not going to get down to 1 ohm with telephone wire, 24 gauge (typical phone) wire has a resistance of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.03 ohm/foot so as long as these rooms are at least 50 feet of wiring away, it would be 1.5 ohms to the first speaker + 1.5 ohms back.  so even if all 6 of his proposed max were at this distance (4 wires, 2 for each loop) it would still be 8/3+3 thus roughly 5.5 ohms to the amplifier.  Amplifier efficiency will suck, but I doubt you could come up with a very damaging configuration using phone wire and 6 speakers or less (unless it was hooked up in parallel with existing speakers that used decent speaker wire.)<br>Using the suggestion of amplified speakers seams like a reasonable solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He is not going to get down to 1 ohm with telephone wire , 24 gauge ( typical phone ) wire has a resistance of .03 ohm/foot so as long as these rooms are at least 50 feet of wiring away , it would be 1.5 ohms to the first speaker + 1.5 ohms back .
so even if all 6 of his proposed max were at this distance ( 4 wires , 2 for each loop ) it would still be 8/3 + 3 thus roughly 5.5 ohms to the amplifier .
Amplifier efficiency will suck , but I doubt you could come up with a very damaging configuration using phone wire and 6 speakers or less ( unless it was hooked up in parallel with existing speakers that used decent speaker wire .
) Using the suggestion of amplified speakers seams like a reasonable solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He is not going to get down to 1 ohm with telephone wire, 24 gauge (typical phone) wire has a resistance of .03 ohm/foot so as long as these rooms are at least 50 feet of wiring away, it would be 1.5 ohms to the first speaker + 1.5 ohms back.
so even if all 6 of his proposed max were at this distance (4 wires, 2 for each loop) it would still be 8/3+3 thus roughly 5.5 ohms to the amplifier.
Amplifier efficiency will suck, but I doubt you could come up with a very damaging configuration using phone wire and 6 speakers or less (unless it was hooked up in parallel with existing speakers that used decent speaker wire.
)Using the suggestion of amplified speakers seams like a reasonable solution.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018660</id>
	<title>Logitech Squeezebox + FM transmitter works great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257607860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Add me to the list of folks who wholeheartedly recommend the Logitech Squeezebox coupled with a decent FM transmitter. You can then have your mp3's or any Internet radio station anywhere you're willing to put an FM radio. If your living room amp doesn't include an FM tuner, simply run the Squeezebox output to an aux input and then feed the tape rec out to the FM transmitter. I do it this way and it works beautifully. My FM transmitter is a Ramsay kit that came pre-assembled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Add me to the list of folks who wholeheartedly recommend the Logitech Squeezebox coupled with a decent FM transmitter .
You can then have your mp3 's or any Internet radio station anywhere you 're willing to put an FM radio .
If your living room amp does n't include an FM tuner , simply run the Squeezebox output to an aux input and then feed the tape rec out to the FM transmitter .
I do it this way and it works beautifully .
My FM transmitter is a Ramsay kit that came pre-assembled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Add me to the list of folks who wholeheartedly recommend the Logitech Squeezebox coupled with a decent FM transmitter.
You can then have your mp3's or any Internet radio station anywhere you're willing to put an FM radio.
If your living room amp doesn't include an FM tuner, simply run the Squeezebox output to an aux input and then feed the tape rec out to the FM transmitter.
I do it this way and it works beautifully.
My FM transmitter is a Ramsay kit that came pre-assembled.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018290</id>
	<title>Airfoil</title>
	<author>nikanj</author>
	<datestamp>1257603180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Check out Airfoil and Airfoil speakers</htmltext>
<tokenext>Check out Airfoil and Airfoil speakers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check out Airfoil and Airfoil speakers</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017908</id>
	<title>Sonos</title>
	<author>farnsworth</author>
	<datestamp>1257599460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I haven't used <a href="http://sonos.com/" title="sonos.com">Sonos</a> [sonos.com], but once I have enough extra cash that's what I'm going to get.  I currently have a bunch of hand-me-down iPods and laptops in the various rooms that I want music.  But this system does not scale very well, and comes with its own complications.  I did a bunch of research, and Sonos pretty much the only system that has what I want:

<ul>
<li>Uses my existing amps/speakers -- I have an existing audio setup in each room already.  Sonos can just plug into that.</li>
<li>No media synchronization required -- it can read files off of your NAS.</li>
<li>No computer involved -- I don't want to have to boot anything, or log into anything, or launch any apps, or care about remote endpoints.  (yes, I'm sure there is a cpu in these things, but it's not a 'computer' to me.)</li>
<li>Expandable -- You can get just one and add more as you want</li>
<li>iPhone controllable -- I always have my phone on my person, so I can always adjust whatever's going on anywhere.</li>
</ul><p>
It does have downsides.  The magic peering technology seems complicated and is not very well documented (at least when I was reading about it).  I don't think you can use it purely wirelessly, I think at least one device needs a cat5 network connection.  I think it then NATs all the other devices over an 802.11 network.  It's also on the pricey end of things, although for a couple rooms it is not thousands of dollars.
</p><p>
They also have new models and capabilities pretty regularly so the above may already be out of date.  Check it out, though.
</p><p>
I've also heard good things about Squeezebox, but it didn't appeal to me for several reasons that I forget.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't used Sonos [ sonos.com ] , but once I have enough extra cash that 's what I 'm going to get .
I currently have a bunch of hand-me-down iPods and laptops in the various rooms that I want music .
But this system does not scale very well , and comes with its own complications .
I did a bunch of research , and Sonos pretty much the only system that has what I want : Uses my existing amps/speakers -- I have an existing audio setup in each room already .
Sonos can just plug into that .
No media synchronization required -- it can read files off of your NAS .
No computer involved -- I do n't want to have to boot anything , or log into anything , or launch any apps , or care about remote endpoints .
( yes , I 'm sure there is a cpu in these things , but it 's not a 'computer ' to me .
) Expandable -- You can get just one and add more as you want iPhone controllable -- I always have my phone on my person , so I can always adjust whatever 's going on anywhere .
It does have downsides .
The magic peering technology seems complicated and is not very well documented ( at least when I was reading about it ) .
I do n't think you can use it purely wirelessly , I think at least one device needs a cat5 network connection .
I think it then NATs all the other devices over an 802.11 network .
It 's also on the pricey end of things , although for a couple rooms it is not thousands of dollars .
They also have new models and capabilities pretty regularly so the above may already be out of date .
Check it out , though .
I 've also heard good things about Squeezebox , but it did n't appeal to me for several reasons that I forget .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't used Sonos [sonos.com], but once I have enough extra cash that's what I'm going to get.
I currently have a bunch of hand-me-down iPods and laptops in the various rooms that I want music.
But this system does not scale very well, and comes with its own complications.
I did a bunch of research, and Sonos pretty much the only system that has what I want:


Uses my existing amps/speakers -- I have an existing audio setup in each room already.
Sonos can just plug into that.
No media synchronization required -- it can read files off of your NAS.
No computer involved -- I don't want to have to boot anything, or log into anything, or launch any apps, or care about remote endpoints.
(yes, I'm sure there is a cpu in these things, but it's not a 'computer' to me.
)
Expandable -- You can get just one and add more as you want
iPhone controllable -- I always have my phone on my person, so I can always adjust whatever's going on anywhere.
It does have downsides.
The magic peering technology seems complicated and is not very well documented (at least when I was reading about it).
I don't think you can use it purely wirelessly, I think at least one device needs a cat5 network connection.
I think it then NATs all the other devices over an 802.11 network.
It's also on the pricey end of things, although for a couple rooms it is not thousands of dollars.
They also have new models and capabilities pretty regularly so the above may already be out of date.
Check it out, though.
I've also heard good things about Squeezebox, but it didn't appeal to me for several reasons that I forget.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019532</id>
	<title>Re:The obvious solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257620460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&amp;&amp; rm wife</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&amp;&amp; rm wife</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&amp;&amp; rm wife</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019622</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257622020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is where you use a 70v amp and speaker transformers, anyway. The higher impedance signal will lose less power to the wire resistance, and the transformers are designed to be operated in parallel, and have appropriate impedances.</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant\_voltage\_speaker\_system</p><p>Enjoy!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is where you use a 70v amp and speaker transformers , anyway .
The higher impedance signal will lose less power to the wire resistance , and the transformers are designed to be operated in parallel , and have appropriate impedances.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant \ _voltage \ _speaker \ _systemEnjoy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is where you use a 70v amp and speaker transformers, anyway.
The higher impedance signal will lose less power to the wire resistance, and the transformers are designed to be operated in parallel, and have appropriate impedances.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant\_voltage\_speaker\_systemEnjoy!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018956</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1257612060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Running wires to each room in the house would be both cheaper and have sound quality independent of network quality.</p></div><p>Yep, and with a handful of these <a href="http://www.smarthome.com/8262/80-Watt-Impedance-Matching-Stereo-Speaker-Volume-Control-NX-VM803C/p.aspx" title="smarthome.com">$35 impedeance matching volume-controls,</a> [smarthome.com] he can use a regular old stereo receiver to drive multiple rooms - note that you have to buy at least two (and do two rooms) with this model.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Running wires to each room in the house would be both cheaper and have sound quality independent of network quality.Yep , and with a handful of these $ 35 impedeance matching volume-controls , [ smarthome.com ] he can use a regular old stereo receiver to drive multiple rooms - note that you have to buy at least two ( and do two rooms ) with this model .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Running wires to each room in the house would be both cheaper and have sound quality independent of network quality.Yep, and with a handful of these $35 impedeance matching volume-controls, [smarthome.com] he can use a regular old stereo receiver to drive multiple rooms - note that you have to buy at least two (and do two rooms) with this model.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30022928</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>Bob-o-Matic!</author>
	<datestamp>1257702960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check out 70V systems: hook up loads of speakers, no problem.  Think drive-in movie theater, Navy 1MC, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check out 70V systems : hook up loads of speakers , no problem .
Think drive-in movie theater , Navy 1MC , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check out 70V systems: hook up loads of speakers, no problem.
Think drive-in movie theater, Navy 1MC, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017810</id>
	<title>Sonos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257598620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Sonos is the best deal out there and you can even control it now with an iPhone or an iPod touch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Sonos is the best deal out there and you can even control it now with an iPhone or an iPod touch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Sonos is the best deal out there and you can even control it now with an iPhone or an iPod touch.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30025832</id>
	<title>E-MU Pipeline</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257679980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't purchased any of these yet, but I've been wondering the same thing as you, and the <a href="http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=902&amp;subcategory=903&amp;product=18609" title="emu.com" rel="nofollow">E-MU Systems Pipeline</a> [emu.com] looks really interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't purchased any of these yet , but I 've been wondering the same thing as you , and the E-MU Systems Pipeline [ emu.com ] looks really interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't purchased any of these yet, but I've been wondering the same thing as you, and the E-MU Systems Pipeline [emu.com] looks really interesting.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019746</id>
	<title>A-Bus?</title>
	<author>Miamicanes</author>
	<datestamp>1257711240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have cat5 in place (or the means to run it), A-Bus is probably the most cost-effective strategy for whole-house audio. It's not as sexy as something like ZonAudio, but the hardware components are dirt cheap.</p><p>Here's the basic network topology of A-Bus. You feed the left and right audio to a box that's basically a balun. It sends the audio to the A-Bus hub on two pairs of cat5... one pair for left, one pair for right. At the hub, it distributes the source to typically 2 or 4 destinations, and outputs ~24v (48v?) on the remaining pair or two (somehow, it relays remote control signals back... I'm not sure offhand whether it uses one pair for power, and one pair for the remote/control backchannel, or whether it multiplexes it on top of the power wires). In any case, from the hub, the cat5 runs to the keypad-amp. Usually you'd put this someplace convenient, like next to a light switch. The keypad contains a digital amp that draws power from the cat5. A simple keypad has little more than a volume control and power button. The next level up adds a remote control sensor. The highest-end ones can handle 4 sources, and I believe Russound's has a feature that enables you to shut down the entire system from any keypad.</p><p>The speakers themselves connect to the keypad-amp. Additionally, you can run additional speaker wires off the keypad to connect a powered subwoofer and/or a local audio source (like the cable box). Anytime an audio signal is present on the local input, it overrides whatever's being sent by the hub.</p><p>A-Bus is far from perfect. Because it only draws power from the cat5, and draws only half the max allowed by (US) law, you can only get ~5-11 watts RMS per keypad. IMHO, they should have an option to put a typical wall-wart coaxial socket on the local input box and use it to power a beefier amp. Or, if you have 16/4 installed alongside the cat5 in a home run, they could repurpose the 16/4 to carry power (actually, I think Russound did something more or less like that with their new non-ABus liene)</p><p>If you have an amp and speakers in the room already, and just need to distribute the raw preamp-level audio, just use cat5 and baluns.</p><p>For the record, I researched this pretty heavily ~2-3 years ago. From what I remember, the big problem the digital alternatives to A-Bus had was timing. In theory, there's no reason why you couldn't use PoE to drive speakers directly from their own local amp connected via cat5, but unless you give it its own dedicated wires and use noncompressed audio streamed via UDP, you end up with serious timing problems (ie, speakers in two adjacent rooms might be 50-100ms off from each other. It's kind of like the problem lots of people now have with digital TV and adjacent rooms... unless the two TVs are absolutely identical, they won't decode the same signal at exactly the same rate, and the two rooms can be up to a few seconds ahead of or behind each other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have cat5 in place ( or the means to run it ) , A-Bus is probably the most cost-effective strategy for whole-house audio .
It 's not as sexy as something like ZonAudio , but the hardware components are dirt cheap.Here 's the basic network topology of A-Bus .
You feed the left and right audio to a box that 's basically a balun .
It sends the audio to the A-Bus hub on two pairs of cat5... one pair for left , one pair for right .
At the hub , it distributes the source to typically 2 or 4 destinations , and outputs ~ 24v ( 48v ?
) on the remaining pair or two ( somehow , it relays remote control signals back... I 'm not sure offhand whether it uses one pair for power , and one pair for the remote/control backchannel , or whether it multiplexes it on top of the power wires ) .
In any case , from the hub , the cat5 runs to the keypad-amp .
Usually you 'd put this someplace convenient , like next to a light switch .
The keypad contains a digital amp that draws power from the cat5 .
A simple keypad has little more than a volume control and power button .
The next level up adds a remote control sensor .
The highest-end ones can handle 4 sources , and I believe Russound 's has a feature that enables you to shut down the entire system from any keypad.The speakers themselves connect to the keypad-amp .
Additionally , you can run additional speaker wires off the keypad to connect a powered subwoofer and/or a local audio source ( like the cable box ) .
Anytime an audio signal is present on the local input , it overrides whatever 's being sent by the hub.A-Bus is far from perfect .
Because it only draws power from the cat5 , and draws only half the max allowed by ( US ) law , you can only get ~ 5-11 watts RMS per keypad .
IMHO , they should have an option to put a typical wall-wart coaxial socket on the local input box and use it to power a beefier amp .
Or , if you have 16/4 installed alongside the cat5 in a home run , they could repurpose the 16/4 to carry power ( actually , I think Russound did something more or less like that with their new non-ABus liene ) If you have an amp and speakers in the room already , and just need to distribute the raw preamp-level audio , just use cat5 and baluns.For the record , I researched this pretty heavily ~ 2-3 years ago .
From what I remember , the big problem the digital alternatives to A-Bus had was timing .
In theory , there 's no reason why you could n't use PoE to drive speakers directly from their own local amp connected via cat5 , but unless you give it its own dedicated wires and use noncompressed audio streamed via UDP , you end up with serious timing problems ( ie , speakers in two adjacent rooms might be 50-100ms off from each other .
It 's kind of like the problem lots of people now have with digital TV and adjacent rooms... unless the two TVs are absolutely identical , they wo n't decode the same signal at exactly the same rate , and the two rooms can be up to a few seconds ahead of or behind each other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have cat5 in place (or the means to run it), A-Bus is probably the most cost-effective strategy for whole-house audio.
It's not as sexy as something like ZonAudio, but the hardware components are dirt cheap.Here's the basic network topology of A-Bus.
You feed the left and right audio to a box that's basically a balun.
It sends the audio to the A-Bus hub on two pairs of cat5... one pair for left, one pair for right.
At the hub, it distributes the source to typically 2 or 4 destinations, and outputs ~24v (48v?
) on the remaining pair or two (somehow, it relays remote control signals back... I'm not sure offhand whether it uses one pair for power, and one pair for the remote/control backchannel, or whether it multiplexes it on top of the power wires).
In any case, from the hub, the cat5 runs to the keypad-amp.
Usually you'd put this someplace convenient, like next to a light switch.
The keypad contains a digital amp that draws power from the cat5.
A simple keypad has little more than a volume control and power button.
The next level up adds a remote control sensor.
The highest-end ones can handle 4 sources, and I believe Russound's has a feature that enables you to shut down the entire system from any keypad.The speakers themselves connect to the keypad-amp.
Additionally, you can run additional speaker wires off the keypad to connect a powered subwoofer and/or a local audio source (like the cable box).
Anytime an audio signal is present on the local input, it overrides whatever's being sent by the hub.A-Bus is far from perfect.
Because it only draws power from the cat5, and draws only half the max allowed by (US) law, you can only get ~5-11 watts RMS per keypad.
IMHO, they should have an option to put a typical wall-wart coaxial socket on the local input box and use it to power a beefier amp.
Or, if you have 16/4 installed alongside the cat5 in a home run, they could repurpose the 16/4 to carry power (actually, I think Russound did something more or less like that with their new non-ABus liene)If you have an amp and speakers in the room already, and just need to distribute the raw preamp-level audio, just use cat5 and baluns.For the record, I researched this pretty heavily ~2-3 years ago.
From what I remember, the big problem the digital alternatives to A-Bus had was timing.
In theory, there's no reason why you couldn't use PoE to drive speakers directly from their own local amp connected via cat5, but unless you give it its own dedicated wires and use noncompressed audio streamed via UDP, you end up with serious timing problems (ie, speakers in two adjacent rooms might be 50-100ms off from each other.
It's kind of like the problem lots of people now have with digital TV and adjacent rooms... unless the two TVs are absolutely identical, they won't decode the same signal at exactly the same rate, and the two rooms can be up to a few seconds ahead of or behind each other.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30046156</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>NerdMachine</author>
	<datestamp>1257871200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sonos just launched a new product that helps keep things affordable - the $399 ZP S5.  It's really all you need to get started (assuming you have a home network) -- you don't even need an iPhone/iPod Touch.  You can use the free Windows or OSX controllers.  Once you get hooked, though, you're going to expand to every room in your house.</p><p>It's priced to compete with Bose, but frankly, it's better sound quality, easier to user, and more versatile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sonos just launched a new product that helps keep things affordable - the $ 399 ZP S5 .
It 's really all you need to get started ( assuming you have a home network ) -- you do n't even need an iPhone/iPod Touch .
You can use the free Windows or OSX controllers .
Once you get hooked , though , you 're going to expand to every room in your house.It 's priced to compete with Bose , but frankly , it 's better sound quality , easier to user , and more versatile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sonos just launched a new product that helps keep things affordable - the $399 ZP S5.
It's really all you need to get started (assuming you have a home network) -- you don't even need an iPhone/iPod Touch.
You can use the free Windows or OSX controllers.
Once you get hooked, though, you're going to expand to every room in your house.It's priced to compete with Bose, but frankly, it's better sound quality, easier to user, and more versatile.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018012</id>
	<title>Why multiroom music?</title>
	<author>Ivan Stepaniuk</author>
	<datestamp>1257600420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This makes sense in an office, or a dental clinic... but I don't understand why would someone want this in a house. What's next? a coffee machine in every room? Multiroom toilets? I think an iPod would do what you need, you can even get two iPods, one for you and another for your wife, she can listen to something else even in the same room!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This makes sense in an office , or a dental clinic... but I do n't understand why would someone want this in a house .
What 's next ?
a coffee machine in every room ?
Multiroom toilets ?
I think an iPod would do what you need , you can even get two iPods , one for you and another for your wife , she can listen to something else even in the same room !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This makes sense in an office, or a dental clinic... but I don't understand why would someone want this in a house.
What's next?
a coffee machine in every room?
Multiroom toilets?
I think an iPod would do what you need, you can even get two iPods, one for you and another for your wife, she can listen to something else even in the same room!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30031846</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>cjb110</author>
	<datestamp>1257777840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Easily the best cost ratio for a multiroom.  Esp now that you've got more client devices to pick from.  So your main room can have a high end Transporter, your bedroom can have the new radio, the kitchen the boombox, or you can get the touch if you've already got speakers in the room.  The Duet also provides a housewide wifi remote for easy browsing.</p><p>All devices can sync to each other, or in any combination of devices.  Software is powerful and can be run from a large number of NAS devices, so you don't even need your main PC on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Easily the best cost ratio for a multiroom .
Esp now that you 've got more client devices to pick from .
So your main room can have a high end Transporter , your bedroom can have the new radio , the kitchen the boombox , or you can get the touch if you 've already got speakers in the room .
The Duet also provides a housewide wifi remote for easy browsing.All devices can sync to each other , or in any combination of devices .
Software is powerful and can be run from a large number of NAS devices , so you do n't even need your main PC on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easily the best cost ratio for a multiroom.
Esp now that you've got more client devices to pick from.
So your main room can have a high end Transporter, your bedroom can have the new radio, the kitchen the boombox, or you can get the touch if you've already got speakers in the room.
The Duet also provides a housewide wifi remote for easy browsing.All devices can sync to each other, or in any combination of devices.
Software is powerful and can be run from a large number of NAS devices, so you don't even need your main PC on.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017656</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257597180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll fourth this. I have an older SB2 hooked to ceiling speakers inside and outside the house, the bathroom has a single stereo speaker. Slimserver runs on a Debian server hooked to a nas.<br> I used the sirius plugin until sirius went to a pay extra for internet radio model. <p> The slimserver also handles most all codecs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll fourth this .
I have an older SB2 hooked to ceiling speakers inside and outside the house , the bathroom has a single stereo speaker .
Slimserver runs on a Debian server hooked to a nas .
I used the sirius plugin until sirius went to a pay extra for internet radio model .
The slimserver also handles most all codecs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll fourth this.
I have an older SB2 hooked to ceiling speakers inside and outside the house, the bathroom has a single stereo speaker.
Slimserver runs on a Debian server hooked to a nas.
I used the sirius plugin until sirius went to a pay extra for internet radio model.
The slimserver also handles most all codecs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018186</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>MMC Monster</author>
	<datestamp>1257602100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Totally agree with this, as well.  I have a squeezebox in the living room, and control it (most of the time) via the browser.</p><p>The one caveat:  There's no IR blaster output on it so that I can control my receiver.  That being said, none of the other cheap options have this capability, either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Totally agree with this , as well .
I have a squeezebox in the living room , and control it ( most of the time ) via the browser.The one caveat : There 's no IR blaster output on it so that I can control my receiver .
That being said , none of the other cheap options have this capability , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Totally agree with this, as well.
I have a squeezebox in the living room, and control it (most of the time) via the browser.The one caveat:  There's no IR blaster output on it so that I can control my receiver.
That being said, none of the other cheap options have this capability, either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30024694</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>mr\_lizard13</author>
	<datestamp>1257672120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Running wires around the house is seldom "wife-friendly"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Running wires around the house is seldom " wife-friendly "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Running wires around the house is seldom "wife-friendly"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017642</id>
	<title>Just Multiroom, or Multizone?</title>
	<author>nate\_in\_ME</author>
	<datestamp>1257597120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>(Disclaimer: I actually DID used to work for a place that set systems like this up, and have designed several myself as well)

To determine what you need, a little bit more information is needed.  Do you simply want on/off speakers in each room, all listening to the same thing?  Or, are you looking for a system that lets you listen to different sources in each room?

If you want different sources/songs/whatever in each room, you're actually looking for what is called a "multi-zone" system, which is where you start seeing the higher price tags.  You mention you've already found the Russound products, which is actually quite a flexible system that gives you a lot of options.  It looks like they recently came out with what they are calling their Collage system, which will pull music from any uPNP server on your network.  In addition, the keypads have a FM reciever, and built-in intercom between keypads.  It also uses HomePlug for communications between the various keypads and the media source, so once your individual keypads are connected to power, they will not require any additional wiring for data.  The keypads also have a built in amplifier, so all you will need to add beyond the cost of each keypad and the HomePlug adapter for your server are speakers and wire from the keypad to the speakers.  Russound has older systems that are quite cheaper, but not all of them are designed to handle the music being on a server like you currently have.  It appears that Collage is specifically designed for this type of setup.  The downside is that the cheapest price I could find for keypads was $549USD.</htmltext>
<tokenext>( Disclaimer : I actually DID used to work for a place that set systems like this up , and have designed several myself as well ) To determine what you need , a little bit more information is needed .
Do you simply want on/off speakers in each room , all listening to the same thing ?
Or , are you looking for a system that lets you listen to different sources in each room ?
If you want different sources/songs/whatever in each room , you 're actually looking for what is called a " multi-zone " system , which is where you start seeing the higher price tags .
You mention you 've already found the Russound products , which is actually quite a flexible system that gives you a lot of options .
It looks like they recently came out with what they are calling their Collage system , which will pull music from any uPNP server on your network .
In addition , the keypads have a FM reciever , and built-in intercom between keypads .
It also uses HomePlug for communications between the various keypads and the media source , so once your individual keypads are connected to power , they will not require any additional wiring for data .
The keypads also have a built in amplifier , so all you will need to add beyond the cost of each keypad and the HomePlug adapter for your server are speakers and wire from the keypad to the speakers .
Russound has older systems that are quite cheaper , but not all of them are designed to handle the music being on a server like you currently have .
It appears that Collage is specifically designed for this type of setup .
The downside is that the cheapest price I could find for keypads was $ 549USD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Disclaimer: I actually DID used to work for a place that set systems like this up, and have designed several myself as well)

To determine what you need, a little bit more information is needed.
Do you simply want on/off speakers in each room, all listening to the same thing?
Or, are you looking for a system that lets you listen to different sources in each room?
If you want different sources/songs/whatever in each room, you're actually looking for what is called a "multi-zone" system, which is where you start seeing the higher price tags.
You mention you've already found the Russound products, which is actually quite a flexible system that gives you a lot of options.
It looks like they recently came out with what they are calling their Collage system, which will pull music from any uPNP server on your network.
In addition, the keypads have a FM reciever, and built-in intercom between keypads.
It also uses HomePlug for communications between the various keypads and the media source, so once your individual keypads are connected to power, they will not require any additional wiring for data.
The keypads also have a built in amplifier, so all you will need to add beyond the cost of each keypad and the HomePlug adapter for your server are speakers and wire from the keypad to the speakers.
Russound has older systems that are quite cheaper, but not all of them are designed to handle the music being on a server like you currently have.
It appears that Collage is specifically designed for this type of setup.
The downside is that the cheapest price I could find for keypads was $549USD.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017496</id>
	<title>Memory</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257595860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just replay the music in my head. This helps avoid copyright infringement suits.<br>Be sure not to get carried away, and hum or whistle because that's a performance not covered by Section 117.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just replay the music in my head .
This helps avoid copyright infringement suits.Be sure not to get carried away , and hum or whistle because that 's a performance not covered by Section 117 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just replay the music in my head.
This helps avoid copyright infringement suits.Be sure not to get carried away, and hum or whistle because that's a performance not covered by Section 117.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30022526</id>
	<title>get an ipod</title>
	<author>j1mmy</author>
	<datestamp>1257700920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>now you're got music in an infinite number of rooms</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>now you 're got music in an infinite number of rooms</tokentext>
<sentencetext>now you're got music in an infinite number of rooms</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30034536</id>
	<title>Re:Deliver the audio via FM-radio</title>
	<author>Slashdot Parent</author>
	<datestamp>1257789120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because of FM-modulation, this technique is not hi-fi. But a decent transmitter does an admirable job in retaining audio quality.</p></div><p>Which transmitter do you consider to be "decent" and/or "admirable"?</p><p>I ask, because I have a Motorokr T505 for my car, and while it's incredibly convenient, I'd rate the audio quality somewhere between "blows goats" and "licks monkey balls".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because of FM-modulation , this technique is not hi-fi .
But a decent transmitter does an admirable job in retaining audio quality.Which transmitter do you consider to be " decent " and/or " admirable " ? I ask , because I have a Motorokr T505 for my car , and while it 's incredibly convenient , I 'd rate the audio quality somewhere between " blows goats " and " licks monkey balls " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because of FM-modulation, this technique is not hi-fi.
But a decent transmitter does an admirable job in retaining audio quality.Which transmitter do you consider to be "decent" and/or "admirable"?I ask, because I have a Motorokr T505 for my car, and while it's incredibly convenient, I'd rate the audio quality somewhere between "blows goats" and "licks monkey balls".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30030964</id>
	<title>Re:The obvious solution</title>
	<author>SenseiLeNoir</author>
	<datestamp>1257770400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you REALLY need to have wireless/wired access to a cetral server? Think about it... just to play your music. you would need some form of reciever, and interface... etc... may be a bit overkill...</p><p>What I have in my apartment, is a two prong system...</p><p>One side.... I have a iPod Touch, and my wife has a Nano... our hifi, has a universal dock attached to the Line in (with remote).. our bedroom has a radio/clock with an iPod dock..... and our Panasonic surround system has an Ipod/ Dock (as well as a usb port for general HDs)... my TV has USB, and so does my PS3.</p><p>Syncing the ipods and the USB devices is simple, and only takes a few seconds to update any changes. but in efect we are able to play any songs in any room. The ipod interface is easy to use... and the playlists are also kept sync.if my wife wants to listed to some songs in the bedroom, she just takes her ipod.... if i want to listen to my songs in the living room through the surround.. I take my ipod and just plug it in... its pretty simple..</p><p>If i truely want wireless access to my server, my TV, PS3, and surround sound system have DNLA support. (this is the other 'prong' in my setup and allows audio/video/photos)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you REALLY need to have wireless/wired access to a cetral server ?
Think about it... just to play your music .
you would need some form of reciever , and interface... etc... may be a bit overkill...What I have in my apartment , is a two prong system...One side.... I have a iPod Touch , and my wife has a Nano... our hifi , has a universal dock attached to the Line in ( with remote ) .. our bedroom has a radio/clock with an iPod dock..... and our Panasonic surround system has an Ipod/ Dock ( as well as a usb port for general HDs ) ... my TV has USB , and so does my PS3.Syncing the ipods and the USB devices is simple , and only takes a few seconds to update any changes .
but in efect we are able to play any songs in any room .
The ipod interface is easy to use... and the playlists are also kept sync.if my wife wants to listed to some songs in the bedroom , she just takes her ipod.... if i want to listen to my songs in the living room through the surround.. I take my ipod and just plug it in... its pretty simple..If i truely want wireless access to my server , my TV , PS3 , and surround sound system have DNLA support .
( this is the other 'prong ' in my setup and allows audio/video/photos )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you REALLY need to have wireless/wired access to a cetral server?
Think about it... just to play your music.
you would need some form of reciever, and interface... etc... may be a bit overkill...What I have in my apartment, is a two prong system...One side.... I have a iPod Touch, and my wife has a Nano... our hifi, has a universal dock attached to the Line in (with remote).. our bedroom has a radio/clock with an iPod dock..... and our Panasonic surround system has an Ipod/ Dock (as well as a usb port for general HDs)... my TV has USB, and so does my PS3.Syncing the ipods and the USB devices is simple, and only takes a few seconds to update any changes.
but in efect we are able to play any songs in any room.
The ipod interface is easy to use... and the playlists are also kept sync.if my wife wants to listed to some songs in the bedroom, she just takes her ipod.... if i want to listen to my songs in the living room through the surround.. I take my ipod and just plug it in... its pretty simple..If i truely want wireless access to my server, my TV, PS3, and surround sound system have DNLA support.
(this is the other 'prong' in my setup and allows audio/video/photos)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017954</id>
	<title>headphones + ipod OR PS3 in every room</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257599940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>having your music on nas is a waste of electricity but if you insist on having it as part of your solution, get Playstation 3 for every room. As long as your nas supports DLNA, you should be able to stream any videos or music to it/them.<br>And you don't have to buy brand new playstations - there a lot of them available used or with broken bluray drive - since you don't need the drive for streaming or updating firmware, any ps3 that's not completely fried will do. What's good about ps3 is that you can get a bluetooth remote control - uses radio waves instead of infrared - works through walls. You can also stream content from PC to PS3 using free software - <a href="http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/</a> [google.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>having your music on nas is a waste of electricity but if you insist on having it as part of your solution , get Playstation 3 for every room .
As long as your nas supports DLNA , you should be able to stream any videos or music to it/them.And you do n't have to buy brand new playstations - there a lot of them available used or with broken bluray drive - since you do n't need the drive for streaming or updating firmware , any ps3 that 's not completely fried will do .
What 's good about ps3 is that you can get a bluetooth remote control - uses radio waves instead of infrared - works through walls .
You can also stream content from PC to PS3 using free software - http : //code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/ [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>having your music on nas is a waste of electricity but if you insist on having it as part of your solution, get Playstation 3 for every room.
As long as your nas supports DLNA, you should be able to stream any videos or music to it/them.And you don't have to buy brand new playstations - there a lot of them available used or with broken bluray drive - since you don't need the drive for streaming or updating firmware, any ps3 that's not completely fried will do.
What's good about ps3 is that you can get a bluetooth remote control - uses radio waves instead of infrared - works through walls.
You can also stream content from PC to PS3 using free software - http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/ [google.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017850</id>
	<title>The Bulldozer Approach</title>
	<author>flyneye</author>
	<datestamp>1257598860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I filled one of my houses with sound simply by using a 500 watt P.A. system with some 15", 12", horn, speakers purchased at a flea market for around $500.<br>Another house I put the same P.A. in the basement, eq'd it for low end and split the signal to my home stereo upstairs. Basement as a sub.<br>Neighbors will love ya. Bathe in sound.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I filled one of my houses with sound simply by using a 500 watt P.A .
system with some 15 " , 12 " , horn , speakers purchased at a flea market for around $ 500.Another house I put the same P.A .
in the basement , eq 'd it for low end and split the signal to my home stereo upstairs .
Basement as a sub.Neighbors will love ya .
Bathe in sound .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I filled one of my houses with sound simply by using a 500 watt P.A.
system with some 15", 12", horn, speakers purchased at a flea market for around $500.Another house I put the same P.A.
in the basement, eq'd it for low end and split the signal to my home stereo upstairs.
Basement as a sub.Neighbors will love ya.
Bathe in sound.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018810</id>
	<title>Man...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257610260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some day I hope someone will invent a music player small enough to carry in your pocket...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some day I hope someone will invent a music player small enough to carry in your pocket.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some day I hope someone will invent a music player small enough to carry in your pocket...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30027114</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257687840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't get why all you people are suggesting computer-based solutions.<br>Running wires to each room in the house would be both cheaper and have sound quality independent of network quality.</p></div><p>My network <em>is</em> wired, you insensitive clod.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get why all you people are suggesting computer-based solutions.Running wires to each room in the house would be both cheaper and have sound quality independent of network quality.My network is wired , you insensitive clod .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get why all you people are suggesting computer-based solutions.Running wires to each room in the house would be both cheaper and have sound quality independent of network quality.My network is wired, you insensitive clod.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30022876</id>
	<title>My simple wired system</title>
	<author>raftereefer2</author>
	<datestamp>1257702720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a system that I love, which cost about $100 worth of wire to link existing systems.  Here's how it works:
<p>
1. I already had a good computer with great audio as part of the recording studio in my basement.
</p><p>
2. The studio's firewire audio interface outputs to an 8-channel Behringer headphone distribution amp (and another headphone amp for actual headphones).
</p><p>
3. Nearly every room in the house already had a stereo or computer sound system.
</p><p>
4. I bought long cheap headphone extension cables from yourcablestore.com.  Most were 25 to 100 feet long and my total was under $100.
</p><p>
5. I ran the cables from the headphone distribution amp to each room's sound system.  Since computer speaker systems typically use 1/8" stereo headphone connectors, it all plugged together without any adaptation.
</p><p>
6. Now when Pandora is playing in the studio, any room of the house can choose that source (the wire from the studio) and be on the house "channel."
</p><p>
7. Using a netbook, I can RDP to the studio computer and control the music wirelessly.  I also added an RF remote (ATI Remote Wonder) so I can use that to skip/pause songs in Winamp all over the house.
</p><p>
This system works well for us.  There aren't the latency issues you find in network-based distribution, so all the rooms are in sync.  Maybe not in perfect phase, but I can't tell while roaming around cleaning.  I've played with wiring in different sources, so for example we can listen to the Satellite or an ipod upstairs on the desk.  I've ran video out to the projector in the theater so one wall of the house can enjoy milkdrop visualizations.  All fun geeky ways to pass the time, but ultimately it's a fairly simple system that even the less geeky inhabitants can use.
</p><p>
It's fun to crank the whole place up at once;  many watts of power and countless speakers at my command!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a system that I love , which cost about $ 100 worth of wire to link existing systems .
Here 's how it works : 1 .
I already had a good computer with great audio as part of the recording studio in my basement .
2. The studio 's firewire audio interface outputs to an 8-channel Behringer headphone distribution amp ( and another headphone amp for actual headphones ) .
3. Nearly every room in the house already had a stereo or computer sound system .
4. I bought long cheap headphone extension cables from yourcablestore.com .
Most were 25 to 100 feet long and my total was under $ 100 .
5. I ran the cables from the headphone distribution amp to each room 's sound system .
Since computer speaker systems typically use 1/8 " stereo headphone connectors , it all plugged together without any adaptation .
6. Now when Pandora is playing in the studio , any room of the house can choose that source ( the wire from the studio ) and be on the house " channel .
" 7 .
Using a netbook , I can RDP to the studio computer and control the music wirelessly .
I also added an RF remote ( ATI Remote Wonder ) so I can use that to skip/pause songs in Winamp all over the house .
This system works well for us .
There are n't the latency issues you find in network-based distribution , so all the rooms are in sync .
Maybe not in perfect phase , but I ca n't tell while roaming around cleaning .
I 've played with wiring in different sources , so for example we can listen to the Satellite or an ipod upstairs on the desk .
I 've ran video out to the projector in the theater so one wall of the house can enjoy milkdrop visualizations .
All fun geeky ways to pass the time , but ultimately it 's a fairly simple system that even the less geeky inhabitants can use .
It 's fun to crank the whole place up at once ; many watts of power and countless speakers at my command !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a system that I love, which cost about $100 worth of wire to link existing systems.
Here's how it works:

1.
I already had a good computer with great audio as part of the recording studio in my basement.
2. The studio's firewire audio interface outputs to an 8-channel Behringer headphone distribution amp (and another headphone amp for actual headphones).
3. Nearly every room in the house already had a stereo or computer sound system.
4. I bought long cheap headphone extension cables from yourcablestore.com.
Most were 25 to 100 feet long and my total was under $100.
5. I ran the cables from the headphone distribution amp to each room's sound system.
Since computer speaker systems typically use 1/8" stereo headphone connectors, it all plugged together without any adaptation.
6. Now when Pandora is playing in the studio, any room of the house can choose that source (the wire from the studio) and be on the house "channel.
"

7.
Using a netbook, I can RDP to the studio computer and control the music wirelessly.
I also added an RF remote (ATI Remote Wonder) so I can use that to skip/pause songs in Winamp all over the house.
This system works well for us.
There aren't the latency issues you find in network-based distribution, so all the rooms are in sync.
Maybe not in perfect phase, but I can't tell while roaming around cleaning.
I've played with wiring in different sources, so for example we can listen to the Satellite or an ipod upstairs on the desk.
I've ran video out to the projector in the theater so one wall of the house can enjoy milkdrop visualizations.
All fun geeky ways to pass the time, but ultimately it's a fairly simple system that even the less geeky inhabitants can use.
It's fun to crank the whole place up at once;  many watts of power and countless speakers at my command!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30021328</id>
	<title>Humbug!</title>
	<author>ascari</author>
	<datestamp>1257692940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I was a lad we didn't have any of your fancy pants electronics. If we wanted cheap multiroom audio we tore down the drywall.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was a lad we did n't have any of your fancy pants electronics .
If we wanted cheap multiroom audio we tore down the drywall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was a lad we didn't have any of your fancy pants electronics.
If we wanted cheap multiroom audio we tore down the drywall.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017978</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>markus\_baertschi</author>
	<datestamp>1257600120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup, the Squeezebox family of products is your best bet. It integrates fine with your existing setup (you just need a free aux input on your amp) and can be standalone (Standalone boom box). All of them support WiFi or Ethernet. You can operate each station completely independently or you can synchronize them (same music everywhere). If you have your musick already ripped to mp3 and your tags are clean then most of the work is done. The product family is about a decade old, so it has some history and the bugs are gone.
</p><p>In addition the server software is open source and quite portable (Windows, Linux, even some NAS boxes are supported). There are plenty of plugins and extensions. Internet Radio is well integrated too.
</p><p>It is not cheap, but none of the alternatives are cheaper or better either.
</p><p> <i>Markus</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup , the Squeezebox family of products is your best bet .
It integrates fine with your existing setup ( you just need a free aux input on your amp ) and can be standalone ( Standalone boom box ) .
All of them support WiFi or Ethernet .
You can operate each station completely independently or you can synchronize them ( same music everywhere ) .
If you have your musick already ripped to mp3 and your tags are clean then most of the work is done .
The product family is about a decade old , so it has some history and the bugs are gone .
In addition the server software is open source and quite portable ( Windows , Linux , even some NAS boxes are supported ) .
There are plenty of plugins and extensions .
Internet Radio is well integrated too .
It is not cheap , but none of the alternatives are cheaper or better either .
Markus</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup, the Squeezebox family of products is your best bet.
It integrates fine with your existing setup (you just need a free aux input on your amp) and can be standalone (Standalone boom box).
All of them support WiFi or Ethernet.
You can operate each station completely independently or you can synchronize them (same music everywhere).
If you have your musick already ripped to mp3 and your tags are clean then most of the work is done.
The product family is about a decade old, so it has some history and the bugs are gone.
In addition the server software is open source and quite portable (Windows, Linux, even some NAS boxes are supported).
There are plenty of plugins and extensions.
Internet Radio is well integrated too.
It is not cheap, but none of the alternatives are cheaper or better either.
Markus</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30022966</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>Bob-o-Matic!</author>
	<datestamp>1257703200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe not many are familiar with the 70V audio systems.  Don't mod parent down or freak out about using 24AWG speaker line (phone, Cat 5, etc) without doing some research.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe not many are familiar with the 70V audio systems .
Do n't mod parent down or freak out about using 24AWG speaker line ( phone , Cat 5 , etc ) without doing some research .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe not many are familiar with the 70V audio systems.
Don't mod parent down or freak out about using 24AWG speaker line (phone, Cat 5, etc) without doing some research.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020038</id>
	<title>Re:The obvious solution</title>
	<author>bemymonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1257674520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Huh... I thought the obvious solution was just setting up amping + speakers in each room and carrying around the source. Why set up a streaming source or whatever when you can just move your MP3 player/laptop/netbook/phone from one room to another and plug in a single cable? Streaming from the NAS via WiFi is still possible with the latter three options...</p><p>Studio monitors with a decent amp on my office/music room desk, 5.1 surround setup in the living room, 2.1 setup in the bedroom, cheap 2.0 setup in the kitchen... all with either a 3.5mm jack or XLR ins and the appropriate adapters.</p><p>What do you need a centralized solution for? Is it about playing the same music in more than one room at the same time? Can't really see a use for that, unless you use your home (including the kitchen, bedroom, office, den and living room) as a cocktail lounge and don't want guests to have a moment of awkward silence (hint: if that's necessary, find more interesting people to have over!)...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Huh... I thought the obvious solution was just setting up amping + speakers in each room and carrying around the source .
Why set up a streaming source or whatever when you can just move your MP3 player/laptop/netbook/phone from one room to another and plug in a single cable ?
Streaming from the NAS via WiFi is still possible with the latter three options...Studio monitors with a decent amp on my office/music room desk , 5.1 surround setup in the living room , 2.1 setup in the bedroom , cheap 2.0 setup in the kitchen... all with either a 3.5mm jack or XLR ins and the appropriate adapters.What do you need a centralized solution for ?
Is it about playing the same music in more than one room at the same time ?
Ca n't really see a use for that , unless you use your home ( including the kitchen , bedroom , office , den and living room ) as a cocktail lounge and do n't want guests to have a moment of awkward silence ( hint : if that 's necessary , find more interesting people to have over !
) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huh... I thought the obvious solution was just setting up amping + speakers in each room and carrying around the source.
Why set up a streaming source or whatever when you can just move your MP3 player/laptop/netbook/phone from one room to another and plug in a single cable?
Streaming from the NAS via WiFi is still possible with the latter three options...Studio monitors with a decent amp on my office/music room desk, 5.1 surround setup in the living room, 2.1 setup in the bedroom, cheap 2.0 setup in the kitchen... all with either a 3.5mm jack or XLR ins and the appropriate adapters.What do you need a centralized solution for?
Is it about playing the same music in more than one room at the same time?
Can't really see a use for that, unless you use your home (including the kitchen, bedroom, office, den and living room) as a cocktail lounge and don't want guests to have a moment of awkward silence (hint: if that's necessary, find more interesting people to have over!
)...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018142</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>Woodmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1257601680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, no, and no.
<br>
Unless you \_want\_ to eventually toast your amp (or in rare cases, your entire house) you do not want to use long lengths of 20/22 ga. unsheilded pairs (that have been daisy-chained God knows how many times) for audio power. Nevermind the likely impedance mis-match. You \_also\_ do not want unbalanced line level signals going over unsheilded wire, lest you love hearing 60 Hz hum, AM/CB/HAM radio, and AC switching 'pops' over your music. And the pot idea may work well for line level, but definitely not on power signals.
<p>
Telephone cables work well for telephones/RS-422/etc... For any other uses they are generally garbage.
<br>
Just say no to 'recycled' phone lines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , no , and no .
Unless you \ _want \ _ to eventually toast your amp ( or in rare cases , your entire house ) you do not want to use long lengths of 20/22 ga. unsheilded pairs ( that have been daisy-chained God knows how many times ) for audio power .
Nevermind the likely impedance mis-match .
You \ _also \ _ do not want unbalanced line level signals going over unsheilded wire , lest you love hearing 60 Hz hum , AM/CB/HAM radio , and AC switching 'pops ' over your music .
And the pot idea may work well for line level , but definitely not on power signals .
Telephone cables work well for telephones/RS-422/etc... For any other uses they are generally garbage .
Just say no to 'recycled ' phone lines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, no, and no.
Unless you \_want\_ to eventually toast your amp (or in rare cases, your entire house) you do not want to use long lengths of 20/22 ga. unsheilded pairs (that have been daisy-chained God knows how many times) for audio power.
Nevermind the likely impedance mis-match.
You \_also\_ do not want unbalanced line level signals going over unsheilded wire, lest you love hearing 60 Hz hum, AM/CB/HAM radio, and AC switching 'pops' over your music.
And the pot idea may work well for line level, but definitely not on power signals.
Telephone cables work well for telephones/RS-422/etc... For any other uses they are generally garbage.
Just say no to 'recycled' phone lines.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019328</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>vtcodger</author>
	<datestamp>1257617100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since no one else has mentioned it, if you are going to try this, it might be a good idea to seek out the telco's Network Interface Connector and disconnect your household phone wires from the outside world.  I'm not sure what can go wrong if the phone company left the wires connected when they discontinued your service, but I'll bet that if anything does happen, it will not be something good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since no one else has mentioned it , if you are going to try this , it might be a good idea to seek out the telco 's Network Interface Connector and disconnect your household phone wires from the outside world .
I 'm not sure what can go wrong if the phone company left the wires connected when they discontinued your service , but I 'll bet that if anything does happen , it will not be something good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since no one else has mentioned it, if you are going to try this, it might be a good idea to seek out the telco's Network Interface Connector and disconnect your household phone wires from the outside world.
I'm not sure what can go wrong if the phone company left the wires connected when they discontinued your service, but I'll bet that if anything does happen, it will not be something good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30023584</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257706980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTR, the $1200 package comes with one set of speakers, two zones (one with a built-in amp and one with line out). You can get a one-controller two-zone bundle with no speakers for $1000. And you can get one all-in-one zone (with built-in speakers) for $400. You'll need an iPhone or iPod Touch (or a Sonos controller -- phisical or computer-based) to control it.</p><p>I've been using Sonos for a few years now, and love it. I got one for my parents a year ago, and it's working out great for them too. They are a bit pricey, but they are totally painless to use. And they work with European music services as well as US services, which is probably useful since the OP mentioned prices in pounds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTR , the $ 1200 package comes with one set of speakers , two zones ( one with a built-in amp and one with line out ) .
You can get a one-controller two-zone bundle with no speakers for $ 1000 .
And you can get one all-in-one zone ( with built-in speakers ) for $ 400 .
You 'll need an iPhone or iPod Touch ( or a Sonos controller -- phisical or computer-based ) to control it.I 've been using Sonos for a few years now , and love it .
I got one for my parents a year ago , and it 's working out great for them too .
They are a bit pricey , but they are totally painless to use .
And they work with European music services as well as US services , which is probably useful since the OP mentioned prices in pounds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTR, the $1200 package comes with one set of speakers, two zones (one with a built-in amp and one with line out).
You can get a one-controller two-zone bundle with no speakers for $1000.
And you can get one all-in-one zone (with built-in speakers) for $400.
You'll need an iPhone or iPod Touch (or a Sonos controller -- phisical or computer-based) to control it.I've been using Sonos for a few years now, and love it.
I got one for my parents a year ago, and it's working out great for them too.
They are a bit pricey, but they are totally painless to use.
And they work with European music services as well as US services, which is probably useful since the OP mentioned prices in pounds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018626</id>
	<title>Affordable Whole Home Audio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257607200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I personally use CasaTune, http://www.casatunes.com.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I personally use CasaTune , http : //www.casatunes.com .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I personally use CasaTune, http://www.casatunes.com.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018590</id>
	<title>Hmm I found a good solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257606720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought an Apple Airport Express a while back, and this is mainly what I use it for.  iTunes can sent its output to one or multiple of them.  You plug it in, and plug the speakers into it.  It's much smaller and cheaper than a PC (though you need to configure it from the computer).</p><p>The negative side is that you have to be using iTunes - or hack together something else to control it.  (There are some open source tools that can send audio to it, but...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought an Apple Airport Express a while back , and this is mainly what I use it for .
iTunes can sent its output to one or multiple of them .
You plug it in , and plug the speakers into it .
It 's much smaller and cheaper than a PC ( though you need to configure it from the computer ) .The negative side is that you have to be using iTunes - or hack together something else to control it .
( There are some open source tools that can send audio to it , but... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought an Apple Airport Express a while back, and this is mainly what I use it for.
iTunes can sent its output to one or multiple of them.
You plug it in, and plug the speakers into it.
It's much smaller and cheaper than a PC (though you need to configure it from the computer).The negative side is that you have to be using iTunes - or hack together something else to control it.
(There are some open source tools that can send audio to it, but...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017648</id>
	<title>Airport Express</title>
	<author>guytoronto</author>
	<datestamp>1257597120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Airport Express base station with a decent set of computer speakers. Remote control via iPhone or iPod Touch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Airport Express base station with a decent set of computer speakers .
Remote control via iPhone or iPod Touch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Airport Express base station with a decent set of computer speakers.
Remote control via iPhone or iPod Touch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30023988</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>whistler1</author>
	<datestamp>1257709860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another vote for squeezebox, I tried the  roku system earlier but squeezebox is simpler to set up and use. I now have two classic squeezeboxes and about to buy a third. My music (in flac) is mirrored on two hard drives hanging off an old laptop running linux. I use existing amplifiers and speakers. I can access either by the remote control or squeezecenter - again running under linux.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another vote for squeezebox , I tried the roku system earlier but squeezebox is simpler to set up and use .
I now have two classic squeezeboxes and about to buy a third .
My music ( in flac ) is mirrored on two hard drives hanging off an old laptop running linux .
I use existing amplifiers and speakers .
I can access either by the remote control or squeezecenter - again running under linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another vote for squeezebox, I tried the  roku system earlier but squeezebox is simpler to set up and use.
I now have two classic squeezeboxes and about to buy a third.
My music (in flac) is mirrored on two hard drives hanging off an old laptop running linux.
I use existing amplifiers and speakers.
I can access either by the remote control or squeezecenter - again running under linux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020112</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>homesteader</author>
	<datestamp>1257676260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you might be right. I tried running speaker over cat5 as a temp solution when I started building my house, it sounded horrible. I didn't recognize it at the time, but you nailed it. It was the sound of an overdriven amp, breaking up. It just didn't make sense because it wasn't loud.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you might be right .
I tried running speaker over cat5 as a temp solution when I started building my house , it sounded horrible .
I did n't recognize it at the time , but you nailed it .
It was the sound of an overdriven amp , breaking up .
It just did n't make sense because it was n't loud .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you might be right.
I tried running speaker over cat5 as a temp solution when I started building my house, it sounded horrible.
I didn't recognize it at the time, but you nailed it.
It was the sound of an overdriven amp, breaking up.
It just didn't make sense because it wasn't loud.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30026274</id>
	<title>cheap line level distribution amp + cat5</title>
	<author>SCHecklerX</author>
	<datestamp>1257682860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$50 at radio shack.  If you already have phone lines you can use them.   Replace the rj11s with rca.  Voila!  Then just get some amplified computer speakers and plug them in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 50 at radio shack .
If you already have phone lines you can use them .
Replace the rj11s with rca .
Voila ! Then just get some amplified computer speakers and plug them in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$50 at radio shack.
If you already have phone lines you can use them.
Replace the rj11s with rca.
Voila!  Then just get some amplified computer speakers and plug them in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018390</id>
	<title>E-Mu Pipeline EM5000</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257604320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could always go for the E-Mu Pipeline transceiver. I use them to connect audio systems in different rooms. The living room is treated as the source, and all other rooms are receivers. There is no noticeable delay (only 5ms or 10ms, depending on how you have them configured), and it's just like having a wire run between the rooms. They cost about $100 each but they really do work well, and couldn't be much simpler.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could always go for the E-Mu Pipeline transceiver .
I use them to connect audio systems in different rooms .
The living room is treated as the source , and all other rooms are receivers .
There is no noticeable delay ( only 5ms or 10ms , depending on how you have them configured ) , and it 's just like having a wire run between the rooms .
They cost about $ 100 each but they really do work well , and could n't be much simpler .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could always go for the E-Mu Pipeline transceiver.
I use them to connect audio systems in different rooms.
The living room is treated as the source, and all other rooms are receivers.
There is no noticeable delay (only 5ms or 10ms, depending on how you have them configured), and it's just like having a wire run between the rooms.
They cost about $100 each but they really do work well, and couldn't be much simpler.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30135720</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258455240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not the impedance of the wire, it's the combined impedance of the speakers that are wired in parallel.  Two 8 ohm speakers wired in parallel give a resulting impedance to the amplifire of 4 ohms - IF the response is flat.  Most speakers rated at a specific ohm tend to wander a bit through the frequency range, too, so your 8ohm speaker is probably 10 or 12ohms at the top of it's response curve, and maybe 5 or 6 at the bottom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not the impedance of the wire , it 's the combined impedance of the speakers that are wired in parallel .
Two 8 ohm speakers wired in parallel give a resulting impedance to the amplifire of 4 ohms - IF the response is flat .
Most speakers rated at a specific ohm tend to wander a bit through the frequency range , too , so your 8ohm speaker is probably 10 or 12ohms at the top of it 's response curve , and maybe 5 or 6 at the bottom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not the impedance of the wire, it's the combined impedance of the speakers that are wired in parallel.
Two 8 ohm speakers wired in parallel give a resulting impedance to the amplifire of 4 ohms - IF the response is flat.
Most speakers rated at a specific ohm tend to wander a bit through the frequency range, too, so your 8ohm speaker is probably 10 or 12ohms at the top of it's response curve, and maybe 5 or 6 at the bottom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017892</id>
	<title>Ampache</title>
	<author>CranberryKing</author>
	<datestamp>1257599280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you might work something out with <a href="http://www.ampache.org/" title="ampache.org" rel="nofollow">ampache</a> [ampache.org] using localplay.</htmltext>
<tokenext>you might work something out with ampache [ ampache.org ] using localplay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you might work something out with ampache [ampache.org] using localplay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30022480</id>
	<title>Definitely Squeezebox</title>
	<author>Wee</author>
	<datestamp>1257700620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a Squeezebox Duet.  Beyond easy to set up.  Runs on my dinky little linux server that's connected to a NAS. I love the remote (you can ssh into it!) and the wife is 100\% on board.
<br> <br>

-B</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Squeezebox Duet .
Beyond easy to set up .
Runs on my dinky little linux server that 's connected to a NAS .
I love the remote ( you can ssh into it !
) and the wife is 100 \ % on board .
-B</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Squeezebox Duet.
Beyond easy to set up.
Runs on my dinky little linux server that's connected to a NAS.
I love the remote (you can ssh into it!
) and the wife is 100\% on board.
-B</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30027168</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257688320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What firmware are you using on the Rios?  The original factory or something else?  Also, would you mind posting some links to the wiki, etc., for the google-lazy -- please . . .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What firmware are you using on the Rios ?
The original factory or something else ?
Also , would you mind posting some links to the wiki , etc. , for the google-lazy -- please .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What firmware are you using on the Rios?
The original factory or something else?
Also, would you mind posting some links to the wiki, etc., for the google-lazy -- please .
. .</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017910</id>
	<title>Just set up some stereo mini Radio Station</title>
	<author>viking80</author>
	<datestamp>1257599460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just broadcast it on FM. You can easily set up a lot of radio stations multiple ways.<br>1. Buy some 0.5W (thats 1km) stereo mini Radio Station for $15 on ebay and hook it to:<br>A. 4GB mp3 player $10. Download one flavour of music here. Repeat, and leave connected to the USB port.<br>or<br>B. One of many PCI or USB soundcards on your PCs and stream from Muziic, TubeRadio.fm, Grooveshark and Pandora(Only US) on some.<br>2. Get some FM radios. Both table, wearable and rack will work.<br>3. Enjoy</p><p>This may sound simple and low tech, but a) it is cheap, b) has a familiar user interface (tune knob)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just broadcast it on FM .
You can easily set up a lot of radio stations multiple ways.1 .
Buy some 0.5W ( thats 1km ) stereo mini Radio Station for $ 15 on ebay and hook it to : A .
4GB mp3 player $ 10 .
Download one flavour of music here .
Repeat , and leave connected to the USB port.orB .
One of many PCI or USB soundcards on your PCs and stream from Muziic , TubeRadio.fm , Grooveshark and Pandora ( Only US ) on some.2 .
Get some FM radios .
Both table , wearable and rack will work.3 .
EnjoyThis may sound simple and low tech , but a ) it is cheap , b ) has a familiar user interface ( tune knob )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just broadcast it on FM.
You can easily set up a lot of radio stations multiple ways.1.
Buy some 0.5W (thats 1km) stereo mini Radio Station for $15 on ebay and hook it to:A.
4GB mp3 player $10.
Download one flavour of music here.
Repeat, and leave connected to the USB port.orB.
One of many PCI or USB soundcards on your PCs and stream from Muziic, TubeRadio.fm, Grooveshark and Pandora(Only US) on some.2.
Get some FM radios.
Both table, wearable and rack will work.3.
EnjoyThis may sound simple and low tech, but a) it is cheap, b) has a familiar user interface (tune knob)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30021940</id>
	<title>Re:requirements?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257697080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No - we don't need requirement clarified. He needs a squeezebox(es). If  this doesn't fulfill is requirements, his requirements are wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No - we do n't need requirement clarified .
He needs a squeezebox ( es ) .
If this does n't fulfill is requirements , his requirements are wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No - we don't need requirement clarified.
He needs a squeezebox(es).
If  this doesn't fulfill is requirements, his requirements are wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30027956</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257694440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Excellent product. Especially this. http://is.gd/4QwcO</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Excellent product .
Especially this .
http : //is.gd/4QwcO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excellent product.
Especially this.
http://is.gd/4QwcO</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017576</id>
	<title>Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257596400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you have stopped using your landline like most people I know, you can attach your amp to the phone lines and small speakers anywhere in your house that's near a phone jack. You need a reasonably sturdy amplifier if you want to drive more than 6 speakers or so, and the sound quality won't be dazzling, but it's real cheap and easy. You can also attach a cheap potentiometer to each speaker for volume control.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have stopped using your landline like most people I know , you can attach your amp to the phone lines and small speakers anywhere in your house that 's near a phone jack .
You need a reasonably sturdy amplifier if you want to drive more than 6 speakers or so , and the sound quality wo n't be dazzling , but it 's real cheap and easy .
You can also attach a cheap potentiometer to each speaker for volume control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have stopped using your landline like most people I know, you can attach your amp to the phone lines and small speakers anywhere in your house that's near a phone jack.
You need a reasonably sturdy amplifier if you want to drive more than 6 speakers or so, and the sound quality won't be dazzling, but it's real cheap and easy.
You can also attach a cheap potentiometer to each speaker for volume control.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30023532</id>
	<title>Simple solution with PC-type speakers</title>
	<author>DeadGenetic</author>
	<datestamp>1257706680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bought a 4-way "microphone amplifier" (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000SJHNB2/ref=ox\_ya\_oh\_product" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">like this</a> [amazon.com]).
<p>
With some 1/4" to 3.5 mm adapters and 3.5 mm cable, you can run a signal to 4 PC speaker systems. The individual gain controls for each line out allow you to compensate for the specific loss in each line due to varying cable lengths.
</p><p>
If you buy the right speaker systems, they could also have local aux in jacks in case you want to listen to an ipod or something. You might want to check whether it replaces or is layered onto the main input, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought a 4-way " microphone amplifier " ( like this [ amazon.com ] ) .
With some 1/4 " to 3.5 mm adapters and 3.5 mm cable , you can run a signal to 4 PC speaker systems .
The individual gain controls for each line out allow you to compensate for the specific loss in each line due to varying cable lengths .
If you buy the right speaker systems , they could also have local aux in jacks in case you want to listen to an ipod or something .
You might want to check whether it replaces or is layered onto the main input , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought a 4-way "microphone amplifier" (like this [amazon.com]).
With some 1/4" to 3.5 mm adapters and 3.5 mm cable, you can run a signal to 4 PC speaker systems.
The individual gain controls for each line out allow you to compensate for the specific loss in each line due to varying cable lengths.
If you buy the right speaker systems, they could also have local aux in jacks in case you want to listen to an ipod or something.
You might want to check whether it replaces or is layered onto the main input, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30026000</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>shark72</author>
	<datestamp>1257681060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank you for pointing this out. While the Sonos stuff is nice, it's expensive, and the interface is slow. The Squeezebox products are much more cost-effective, and have an open architecture (one can download the server software).</p><p>The Squeezebox Controller is actually a mini Linux system, making it a good hacking platform -- imagine the stuff you can do with a portable Linux system that has wifi, an accelerometer, audio output, and audio codec support.</p><p>For a while, Sonos was a bit easier to use, but Logitech recently dropped a major software update that's pretty much a clean-sheet interface design.</p><p>Like the Sonos gear, the Squeezebox family is available in a number of options -- headless, stereo boombox, and high-quality mono (think Tivoli). But, of course, it's much more affordable and, due to its open architecture, more flexible than the Sonos -- and can certainly do a whole lot more than the Apple solution.</p><p>I have a Squeezebox Receiver connected to my living room audio system, and two Squeezebox Booms in rooms where I haven't run speakers. Everything is controlled with the aforementioned Controller. Between my music collection (sitting on a NAS), Pandora, Rhapsody, and various Internet radio stations, I never want for entertainment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you for pointing this out .
While the Sonos stuff is nice , it 's expensive , and the interface is slow .
The Squeezebox products are much more cost-effective , and have an open architecture ( one can download the server software ) .The Squeezebox Controller is actually a mini Linux system , making it a good hacking platform -- imagine the stuff you can do with a portable Linux system that has wifi , an accelerometer , audio output , and audio codec support.For a while , Sonos was a bit easier to use , but Logitech recently dropped a major software update that 's pretty much a clean-sheet interface design.Like the Sonos gear , the Squeezebox family is available in a number of options -- headless , stereo boombox , and high-quality mono ( think Tivoli ) .
But , of course , it 's much more affordable and , due to its open architecture , more flexible than the Sonos -- and can certainly do a whole lot more than the Apple solution.I have a Squeezebox Receiver connected to my living room audio system , and two Squeezebox Booms in rooms where I have n't run speakers .
Everything is controlled with the aforementioned Controller .
Between my music collection ( sitting on a NAS ) , Pandora , Rhapsody , and various Internet radio stations , I never want for entertainment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you for pointing this out.
While the Sonos stuff is nice, it's expensive, and the interface is slow.
The Squeezebox products are much more cost-effective, and have an open architecture (one can download the server software).The Squeezebox Controller is actually a mini Linux system, making it a good hacking platform -- imagine the stuff you can do with a portable Linux system that has wifi, an accelerometer, audio output, and audio codec support.For a while, Sonos was a bit easier to use, but Logitech recently dropped a major software update that's pretty much a clean-sheet interface design.Like the Sonos gear, the Squeezebox family is available in a number of options -- headless, stereo boombox, and high-quality mono (think Tivoli).
But, of course, it's much more affordable and, due to its open architecture, more flexible than the Sonos -- and can certainly do a whole lot more than the Apple solution.I have a Squeezebox Receiver connected to my living room audio system, and two Squeezebox Booms in rooms where I haven't run speakers.
Everything is controlled with the aforementioned Controller.
Between my music collection (sitting on a NAS), Pandora, Rhapsody, and various Internet radio stations, I never want for entertainment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019356</id>
	<title>Russound vs. Elan vs. Crestron vs...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257617580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think what he is getting at is audio amplifier/matrixes. These are devices which switch a source (i.e. mp3 player or jukebox) to one or many rooms. Right now I use squeezecenter as the most used source, plugged into a Russound. I have had trouble with the best control mechanism. You need a simple control which controls BOTH the source AND the amplifier/matrix. Russound and others have panels for each room. I have tried them, have them all over my house in fact. However, we dont use them. They can control the amplifier, but getting to them to control the source is a nightmare.</p><p>SO, using an itouch is the easiest. IPeng will control squeezecenter, and the Russound can be controlled serially through a number of programs, the easiest I have found i Cinemar connected to a GC-100.</p><p>This said, it is definitely not a bullet proof answer, but it will get to the wife simplicity level using the itouch as the front end.</p><p>Right now, the easiest for "simple to use" is to use an insteon switch for a light, connected to an ISY controller. Set up doubletap for on and off and have it control the squeezecenter and amplifier. In our case it turns on whole house NPR. There is no controlling it, other than on or off. If Wife wants to get into more detail, well, then she has to use a different controller like the itouch, or web browser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think what he is getting at is audio amplifier/matrixes .
These are devices which switch a source ( i.e .
mp3 player or jukebox ) to one or many rooms .
Right now I use squeezecenter as the most used source , plugged into a Russound .
I have had trouble with the best control mechanism .
You need a simple control which controls BOTH the source AND the amplifier/matrix .
Russound and others have panels for each room .
I have tried them , have them all over my house in fact .
However , we dont use them .
They can control the amplifier , but getting to them to control the source is a nightmare.SO , using an itouch is the easiest .
IPeng will control squeezecenter , and the Russound can be controlled serially through a number of programs , the easiest I have found i Cinemar connected to a GC-100.This said , it is definitely not a bullet proof answer , but it will get to the wife simplicity level using the itouch as the front end.Right now , the easiest for " simple to use " is to use an insteon switch for a light , connected to an ISY controller .
Set up doubletap for on and off and have it control the squeezecenter and amplifier .
In our case it turns on whole house NPR .
There is no controlling it , other than on or off .
If Wife wants to get into more detail , well , then she has to use a different controller like the itouch , or web browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think what he is getting at is audio amplifier/matrixes.
These are devices which switch a source (i.e.
mp3 player or jukebox) to one or many rooms.
Right now I use squeezecenter as the most used source, plugged into a Russound.
I have had trouble with the best control mechanism.
You need a simple control which controls BOTH the source AND the amplifier/matrix.
Russound and others have panels for each room.
I have tried them, have them all over my house in fact.
However, we dont use them.
They can control the amplifier, but getting to them to control the source is a nightmare.SO, using an itouch is the easiest.
IPeng will control squeezecenter, and the Russound can be controlled serially through a number of programs, the easiest I have found i Cinemar connected to a GC-100.This said, it is definitely not a bullet proof answer, but it will get to the wife simplicity level using the itouch as the front end.Right now, the easiest for "simple to use" is to use an insteon switch for a light, connected to an ISY controller.
Set up doubletap for on and off and have it control the squeezecenter and amplifier.
In our case it turns on whole house NPR.
There is no controlling it, other than on or off.
If Wife wants to get into more detail, well, then she has to use a different controller like the itouch, or web browser.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018578</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257606480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, because most home theater receiver/amps that I've seen (in the non-specialist, consumer space, anyway) only provide two separate sets of speaker outputs (usually labeled A/B). Most of those units won't let you actually pipe sound to both speaker sets at once, and you need to be in the same room as your receiver to swap between them. That's not exactly the pinnacle of usability or expandability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , because most home theater receiver/amps that I 've seen ( in the non-specialist , consumer space , anyway ) only provide two separate sets of speaker outputs ( usually labeled A/B ) .
Most of those units wo n't let you actually pipe sound to both speaker sets at once , and you need to be in the same room as your receiver to swap between them .
That 's not exactly the pinnacle of usability or expandability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, because most home theater receiver/amps that I've seen (in the non-specialist, consumer space, anyway) only provide two separate sets of speaker outputs (usually labeled A/B).
Most of those units won't let you actually pipe sound to both speaker sets at once, and you need to be in the same room as your receiver to swap between them.
That's not exactly the pinnacle of usability or expandability.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30023120</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos - it begins and ends with Sonos</title>
	<author>alext</author>
	<datestamp>1257704400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(redundant bit) As someone else has pointed out, this is incorrect - the Squeezebox players decode FLAC, MP3 etc. directly from the stream.</p><p>(non-redundant bit) And the Squeezebox Server is a very useful central controller for setting up plugins, playlists etc.</p><p>I guess the Sonos players can also synch to each other tightly so that playing the same thing in multiple rooms works nicely? The physical Squeezebox players do, but the version you might run on a PC (Squeezeslave) doesn't as far as I know.</p><p>And if you're paying in GBP, you'll probably be interested in the BBC iPlayer plugin which is very convenient. No neat Spotify integration yet but it's on the cards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( redundant bit ) As someone else has pointed out , this is incorrect - the Squeezebox players decode FLAC , MP3 etc .
directly from the stream .
( non-redundant bit ) And the Squeezebox Server is a very useful central controller for setting up plugins , playlists etc.I guess the Sonos players can also synch to each other tightly so that playing the same thing in multiple rooms works nicely ?
The physical Squeezebox players do , but the version you might run on a PC ( Squeezeslave ) does n't as far as I know.And if you 're paying in GBP , you 'll probably be interested in the BBC iPlayer plugin which is very convenient .
No neat Spotify integration yet but it 's on the cards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(redundant bit) As someone else has pointed out, this is incorrect - the Squeezebox players decode FLAC, MP3 etc.
directly from the stream.
(non-redundant bit) And the Squeezebox Server is a very useful central controller for setting up plugins, playlists etc.I guess the Sonos players can also synch to each other tightly so that playing the same thing in multiple rooms works nicely?
The physical Squeezebox players do, but the version you might run on a PC (Squeezeslave) doesn't as far as I know.And if you're paying in GBP, you'll probably be interested in the BBC iPlayer plugin which is very convenient.
No neat Spotify integration yet but it's on the cards.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020650</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1257685140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't get why all you people are suggesting computer-based solutions.<br>Running wires to each room in the house would be both cheaper and have sound quality independent of network quality.</p></div><p>Because all those wires have to plug into something on the other end.  Normal IR remote controls will not work through walls, so one needs some other form of control over the back end.</p><p>The computer is one of the most customizable pieces of hardware one can place on the back end for this project, and be controlled through numerous methods, any one of you find the best, or even multiple options at once.</p><p>No existing hardware device has the ability to match the posters (unstated) needs, however a computer can be, almost no matter what those needs are.<br>To get the computer to do this however, requires software.   Thus why everyone is suggesting various computer based options.</p><p>Just limiting yourself to wires that don't plug into anything as you suggest, is not even a working solution.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get why all you people are suggesting computer-based solutions.Running wires to each room in the house would be both cheaper and have sound quality independent of network quality.Because all those wires have to plug into something on the other end .
Normal IR remote controls will not work through walls , so one needs some other form of control over the back end.The computer is one of the most customizable pieces of hardware one can place on the back end for this project , and be controlled through numerous methods , any one of you find the best , or even multiple options at once.No existing hardware device has the ability to match the posters ( unstated ) needs , however a computer can be , almost no matter what those needs are.To get the computer to do this however , requires software .
Thus why everyone is suggesting various computer based options.Just limiting yourself to wires that do n't plug into anything as you suggest , is not even a working solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get why all you people are suggesting computer-based solutions.Running wires to each room in the house would be both cheaper and have sound quality independent of network quality.Because all those wires have to plug into something on the other end.
Normal IR remote controls will not work through walls, so one needs some other form of control over the back end.The computer is one of the most customizable pieces of hardware one can place on the back end for this project, and be controlled through numerous methods, any one of you find the best, or even multiple options at once.No existing hardware device has the ability to match the posters (unstated) needs, however a computer can be, almost no matter what those needs are.To get the computer to do this however, requires software.
Thus why everyone is suggesting various computer based options.Just limiting yourself to wires that don't plug into anything as you suggest, is not even a working solution.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018090</id>
	<title>8 speaker system</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257601140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've setup an 8 speaker multiroom audio system using a 12V switch mode power supply, 1F capacitor, 2x 4 channel car audio amplifiers and 8 ceiling speakers.  I feed the car amps using two 4 channel sound cards in a PC and run MPD.  For wire I used ordinary house lighting wire ( 1.5 mm2 2C+E ). I was going to use pulseaudio but it's very glitchy ( more glitches than music ) over a wireless network.  I am considering changing out the PC and connecting the amps to something else.  The electricity bill from having a PC constantly on is expensive.  I would like to get some sort of embedded, i.e. 5W or less computer, but finding one with sufficient outputs is difficult.</p><p>I bought everything on ebay ( except for the 12V supply ).  Car amps ~90AU ea, speakers ( all 8 ) ~200AU.  Roll (100m) wire ~80AU.  12V supply ~80AU.  Cap ~70AU</p><p>The sound quality is excellent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've setup an 8 speaker multiroom audio system using a 12V switch mode power supply , 1F capacitor , 2x 4 channel car audio amplifiers and 8 ceiling speakers .
I feed the car amps using two 4 channel sound cards in a PC and run MPD .
For wire I used ordinary house lighting wire ( 1.5 mm2 2C + E ) .
I was going to use pulseaudio but it 's very glitchy ( more glitches than music ) over a wireless network .
I am considering changing out the PC and connecting the amps to something else .
The electricity bill from having a PC constantly on is expensive .
I would like to get some sort of embedded , i.e .
5W or less computer , but finding one with sufficient outputs is difficult.I bought everything on ebay ( except for the 12V supply ) .
Car amps ~ 90AU ea , speakers ( all 8 ) ~ 200AU .
Roll ( 100m ) wire ~ 80AU .
12V supply ~ 80AU .
Cap ~ 70AUThe sound quality is excellent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've setup an 8 speaker multiroom audio system using a 12V switch mode power supply, 1F capacitor, 2x 4 channel car audio amplifiers and 8 ceiling speakers.
I feed the car amps using two 4 channel sound cards in a PC and run MPD.
For wire I used ordinary house lighting wire ( 1.5 mm2 2C+E ).
I was going to use pulseaudio but it's very glitchy ( more glitches than music ) over a wireless network.
I am considering changing out the PC and connecting the amps to something else.
The electricity bill from having a PC constantly on is expensive.
I would like to get some sort of embedded, i.e.
5W or less computer, but finding one with sufficient outputs is difficult.I bought everything on ebay ( except for the 12V supply ).
Car amps ~90AU ea, speakers ( all 8 ) ~200AU.
Roll (100m) wire ~80AU.
12V supply ~80AU.
Cap ~70AUThe sound quality is excellent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017990</id>
	<title>AE?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257600240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about Speakers and a few Airport Express stations?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about Speakers and a few Airport Express stations ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about Speakers and a few Airport Express stations?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017492</id>
	<title>Logitech Squeezebox</title>
	<author>TuballoyThunder</author>
	<datestamp>1257595800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have the Boom and it works great.  It also comes up with server software that runs on Linux or Windows so you can serve your music.  You can read more details on the <a href="http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers\_audio/wireless\_music\_systems/&amp;cl=us,en" title="logitech.com">Logitech</a> [logitech.com] website.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have the Boom and it works great .
It also comes up with server software that runs on Linux or Windows so you can serve your music .
You can read more details on the Logitech [ logitech.com ] website .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have the Boom and it works great.
It also comes up with server software that runs on Linux or Windows so you can serve your music.
You can read more details on the Logitech [logitech.com] website.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020514</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257683460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One up for iTunes/Airtunes. If you only want one song playing in multiple rooms and are happy to control it via a PC/iPhone, this seriously is a great solution for next to nothing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One up for iTunes/Airtunes .
If you only want one song playing in multiple rooms and are happy to control it via a PC/iPhone , this seriously is a great solution for next to nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One up for iTunes/Airtunes.
If you only want one song playing in multiple rooms and are happy to control it via a PC/iPhone, this seriously is a great solution for next to nothing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30021532</id>
	<title>tips for tunefull tightwads</title>
	<author>JackSpratts</author>
	<datestamp>1257694320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>purchase used pcs from auctions, tagsales, craigslist or your local equivalent. preferably horizontal workstations running xp ($30 each). they fit well under receivers. they will wreak havoc with analog am but the world is migrating to digital ota radio so this problem is receding. pick up a small amp and speakers from same (again some $30). repeat per room. finally network them with either a wi-fi based router or simply clone your media onto outboard drives. either way you can do each room for under $200 and that's with no audio equipment in those rooms now. in rooms that already have systems this solution will be much cheaper. alternately you can pick up western digital's media player. it's a stand alone codec box that streams both music and movies from outboard storage and goes for around $100. more expensive but you get your hd-tv along with your tunes. plays downloaded content well. you know, for all those romantic hi-def linux how-tos wives clamor for on friday nights. makes them purr like a penguin. </p><p> - js.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>purchase used pcs from auctions , tagsales , craigslist or your local equivalent .
preferably horizontal workstations running xp ( $ 30 each ) .
they fit well under receivers .
they will wreak havoc with analog am but the world is migrating to digital ota radio so this problem is receding .
pick up a small amp and speakers from same ( again some $ 30 ) .
repeat per room .
finally network them with either a wi-fi based router or simply clone your media onto outboard drives .
either way you can do each room for under $ 200 and that 's with no audio equipment in those rooms now .
in rooms that already have systems this solution will be much cheaper .
alternately you can pick up western digital 's media player .
it 's a stand alone codec box that streams both music and movies from outboard storage and goes for around $ 100 .
more expensive but you get your hd-tv along with your tunes .
plays downloaded content well .
you know , for all those romantic hi-def linux how-tos wives clamor for on friday nights .
makes them purr like a penguin .
- js .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>purchase used pcs from auctions, tagsales, craigslist or your local equivalent.
preferably horizontal workstations running xp ($30 each).
they fit well under receivers.
they will wreak havoc with analog am but the world is migrating to digital ota radio so this problem is receding.
pick up a small amp and speakers from same (again some $30).
repeat per room.
finally network them with either a wi-fi based router or simply clone your media onto outboard drives.
either way you can do each room for under $200 and that's with no audio equipment in those rooms now.
in rooms that already have systems this solution will be much cheaper.
alternately you can pick up western digital's media player.
it's a stand alone codec box that streams both music and movies from outboard storage and goes for around $100.
more expensive but you get your hd-tv along with your tunes.
plays downloaded content well.
you know, for all those romantic hi-def linux how-tos wives clamor for on friday nights.
makes them purr like a penguin.
- js.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019446</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>MattskEE</author>
	<datestamp>1257619020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The two solutions have completely different goals.</p><p>Any Sonos node is controllable by a touchscreen wireless remote (or your Iphone!) which will show you your music library and playlists and such, and let you select what to play in any room with a Sonos receiver.  Your music is shared over ethernet, if you have wiring to every node location, or wireless if you plug the wireless base station ("Zone Bridge") into your network somewhere.  It's a luxury system which works wonderfully and is simple to setup and use.  A wireless setup bundle with speakers will run you $1150....</p><p>Running wires to every room in the house is much cheaper, but it means that if you want to start music playing you need to walk back to whatever room your computer is and change it.  It's not as easy to set up and it's not easy to use.  Plus you'll still need a splitter and receivers at every speaker set, unless you only plan on running one set up speakers at once.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The two solutions have completely different goals.Any Sonos node is controllable by a touchscreen wireless remote ( or your Iphone !
) which will show you your music library and playlists and such , and let you select what to play in any room with a Sonos receiver .
Your music is shared over ethernet , if you have wiring to every node location , or wireless if you plug the wireless base station ( " Zone Bridge " ) into your network somewhere .
It 's a luxury system which works wonderfully and is simple to setup and use .
A wireless setup bundle with speakers will run you $ 1150....Running wires to every room in the house is much cheaper , but it means that if you want to start music playing you need to walk back to whatever room your computer is and change it .
It 's not as easy to set up and it 's not easy to use .
Plus you 'll still need a splitter and receivers at every speaker set , unless you only plan on running one set up speakers at once .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The two solutions have completely different goals.Any Sonos node is controllable by a touchscreen wireless remote (or your Iphone!
) which will show you your music library and playlists and such, and let you select what to play in any room with a Sonos receiver.
Your music is shared over ethernet, if you have wiring to every node location, or wireless if you plug the wireless base station ("Zone Bridge") into your network somewhere.
It's a luxury system which works wonderfully and is simple to setup and use.
A wireless setup bundle with speakers will run you $1150....Running wires to every room in the house is much cheaper, but it means that if you want to start music playing you need to walk back to whatever room your computer is and change it.
It's not as easy to set up and it's not easy to use.
Plus you'll still need a splitter and receivers at every speaker set, unless you only plan on running one set up speakers at once.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30032850</id>
	<title>70 Volt Systems</title>
	<author>slewfo0t</author>
	<datestamp>1257782400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Running multi-room audio can be challenging. Some things to consider... a typical amplifier will only work at 8 or 4 ohms per channel. This means you can only run 1 or 2 speakers on each channel before you run into trouble and put too much load on your amplifier. That being said, consider a 70v amplifier and speakers. A 70v system allows you to run multiple speakers from one amplifier and select the speaker wattage at the speaker. you still need to do the math to make sure you don't go over the amplifiers rating, but this is how restaurants and grocery stores do it. Since the feed signal is always at 70v, the speakers can be run in series. The speakers have a small transformer on them to select the wattage for each one. You can also get a volume control that does the same thing. One thing to note, Audio quality can suffer with a 70v system, but the trade off is long speaker runs in series and wattage selectable speakers. TOA makes a good 70v amplifier as does Peavey. Here is a site to get you started... <a href="http://www.allprosound.com/catalog/viewproducts~m~Amplifiers~s~70-Volt-Power-Amplifiers~fsubcatid~9.htm" title="allprosound.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.allprosound.com/catalog/viewproducts~m~Amplifiers~s~70-Volt-Power-Amplifiers~fsubcatid~9.htm</a> [allprosound.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Running multi-room audio can be challenging .
Some things to consider... a typical amplifier will only work at 8 or 4 ohms per channel .
This means you can only run 1 or 2 speakers on each channel before you run into trouble and put too much load on your amplifier .
That being said , consider a 70v amplifier and speakers .
A 70v system allows you to run multiple speakers from one amplifier and select the speaker wattage at the speaker .
you still need to do the math to make sure you do n't go over the amplifiers rating , but this is how restaurants and grocery stores do it .
Since the feed signal is always at 70v , the speakers can be run in series .
The speakers have a small transformer on them to select the wattage for each one .
You can also get a volume control that does the same thing .
One thing to note , Audio quality can suffer with a 70v system , but the trade off is long speaker runs in series and wattage selectable speakers .
TOA makes a good 70v amplifier as does Peavey .
Here is a site to get you started... http : //www.allprosound.com/catalog/viewproducts ~ m ~ Amplifiers ~ s ~ 70-Volt-Power-Amplifiers ~ fsubcatid ~ 9.htm [ allprosound.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Running multi-room audio can be challenging.
Some things to consider... a typical amplifier will only work at 8 or 4 ohms per channel.
This means you can only run 1 or 2 speakers on each channel before you run into trouble and put too much load on your amplifier.
That being said, consider a 70v amplifier and speakers.
A 70v system allows you to run multiple speakers from one amplifier and select the speaker wattage at the speaker.
you still need to do the math to make sure you don't go over the amplifiers rating, but this is how restaurants and grocery stores do it.
Since the feed signal is always at 70v, the speakers can be run in series.
The speakers have a small transformer on them to select the wattage for each one.
You can also get a volume control that does the same thing.
One thing to note, Audio quality can suffer with a 70v system, but the trade off is long speaker runs in series and wattage selectable speakers.
TOA makes a good 70v amplifier as does Peavey.
Here is a site to get you started... http://www.allprosound.com/catalog/viewproducts~m~Amplifiers~s~70-Volt-Power-Amplifiers~fsubcatid~9.htm [allprosound.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019764</id>
	<title>Roku Soundbridge.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257711600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have used this thing with wifi for years, and it works great.</p><p>http://soundbridge.roku.com/soundbridge/index.php</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have used this thing with wifi for years , and it works great.http : //soundbridge.roku.com/soundbridge/index.php</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have used this thing with wifi for years, and it works great.http://soundbridge.roku.com/soundbridge/index.php</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017448</id>
	<title>The obvious solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257595440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just set numrooms = 1 (or even better, 0). Makes the problem much easier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just set numrooms = 1 ( or even better , 0 ) .
Makes the problem much easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just set numrooms = 1 (or even better, 0).
Makes the problem much easier.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017686</id>
	<title>The "right" answer, rather than the geeky one...</title>
	<author>pla</author>
	<datestamp>1257597480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>You want a "distribution amplifier".  These usually downmix to mono (seriously - You <b>want</b> mono for this purpose.  Stereo
coming at you from several direction at unbalanced distances will get annoying <i>fast</i>), and have a large number of
channels (12-16 would work well for most houses, unless you <i>really</i> need it in every corner of every room including
the attic, basement, and garage).<br>
<br>
They don't cost all that much, which leaves you to spend your money on decent speakers.  Depending on your home layout, you may
want surface-mount, or recessed, or just cube-in-the-corner.  As for wires - Keep in mind you either have signal, or power, or
both going to them.  So wireless doesn't really buy you all that much unless you absolutely positively cannot make discrete 1/8"
holes hidden in the corner/wall/floor/ceiling/whatever.  Personally, I consider speaker-wire easier to hide than power, so have
chosen to just run an array of speaker wire through the basement up through small holes between the floorboards (old-style
New England house with a decent gap between floorboards, so as close to invisible holes as you could ever want).<br>
<br>
But yeah, you don't want a high-tech solution, you want an old-school distro amp.  What you feed it with depends on what the
wife will put up with, but you can find a huge number of digital car audio solutions that provide minimalist interfaces with
decent functionality.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You want a " distribution amplifier " .
These usually downmix to mono ( seriously - You want mono for this purpose .
Stereo coming at you from several direction at unbalanced distances will get annoying fast ) , and have a large number of channels ( 12-16 would work well for most houses , unless you really need it in every corner of every room including the attic , basement , and garage ) .
They do n't cost all that much , which leaves you to spend your money on decent speakers .
Depending on your home layout , you may want surface-mount , or recessed , or just cube-in-the-corner .
As for wires - Keep in mind you either have signal , or power , or both going to them .
So wireless does n't really buy you all that much unless you absolutely positively can not make discrete 1/8 " holes hidden in the corner/wall/floor/ceiling/whatever .
Personally , I consider speaker-wire easier to hide than power , so have chosen to just run an array of speaker wire through the basement up through small holes between the floorboards ( old-style New England house with a decent gap between floorboards , so as close to invisible holes as you could ever want ) .
But yeah , you do n't want a high-tech solution , you want an old-school distro amp .
What you feed it with depends on what the wife will put up with , but you can find a huge number of digital car audio solutions that provide minimalist interfaces with decent functionality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You want a "distribution amplifier".
These usually downmix to mono (seriously - You want mono for this purpose.
Stereo
coming at you from several direction at unbalanced distances will get annoying fast), and have a large number of
channels (12-16 would work well for most houses, unless you really need it in every corner of every room including
the attic, basement, and garage).
They don't cost all that much, which leaves you to spend your money on decent speakers.
Depending on your home layout, you may
want surface-mount, or recessed, or just cube-in-the-corner.
As for wires - Keep in mind you either have signal, or power, or
both going to them.
So wireless doesn't really buy you all that much unless you absolutely positively cannot make discrete 1/8"
holes hidden in the corner/wall/floor/ceiling/whatever.
Personally, I consider speaker-wire easier to hide than power, so have
chosen to just run an array of speaker wire through the basement up through small holes between the floorboards (old-style
New England house with a decent gap between floorboards, so as close to invisible holes as you could ever want).
But yeah, you don't want a high-tech solution, you want an old-school distro amp.
What you feed it with depends on what the
wife will put up with, but you can find a huge number of digital car audio solutions that provide minimalist interfaces with
decent functionality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30031770</id>
	<title>Re:The obvious solution</title>
	<author>Exception Duck</author>
	<datestamp>1257777300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"&amp;"$#\%"#4</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" &amp; " $ # \ % " # 4</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"&amp;"$#\%"#4</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018436</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257604740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a Sonos system myself and really like it. It not only can use NAS and any file server on your network, but also stream content from either radios or music services like Pandora and Rhapsody.<br>Since you have speakers, one of their players (the ZP120) comes with a built-in amp, or you can grab one of the non-amped players for a bit less.</p><p>You can also control it with your iPhone or iPod touch if you have one, as well as with a desktop application.<br>It's not cheap, but it's well worth it.</p><p>Oh, did I mention it runs linux?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Sonos system myself and really like it .
It not only can use NAS and any file server on your network , but also stream content from either radios or music services like Pandora and Rhapsody.Since you have speakers , one of their players ( the ZP120 ) comes with a built-in amp , or you can grab one of the non-amped players for a bit less.You can also control it with your iPhone or iPod touch if you have one , as well as with a desktop application.It 's not cheap , but it 's well worth it.Oh , did I mention it runs linux ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Sonos system myself and really like it.
It not only can use NAS and any file server on your network, but also stream content from either radios or music services like Pandora and Rhapsody.Since you have speakers, one of their players (the ZP120) comes with a built-in amp, or you can grab one of the non-amped players for a bit less.You can also control it with your iPhone or iPod touch if you have one, as well as with a desktop application.It's not cheap, but it's well worth it.Oh, did I mention it runs linux?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30026730</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257685560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Squeezes are all well and good, but they have some major stability problems. Just check online user reviews of their recent SB radio release. It is better to get something that is rocksolid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Squeezes are all well and good , but they have some major stability problems .
Just check online user reviews of their recent SB radio release .
It is better to get something that is rocksolid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Squeezes are all well and good, but they have some major stability problems.
Just check online user reviews of their recent SB radio release.
It is better to get something that is rocksolid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019838</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>mwvdlee</author>
	<datestamp>1257713280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Couldn't you do a netbook-based setup for half the price? Find a cheap low-end computer with a touchscreen and you can probably set it up to be much, much better.</p><p>As I understand it, though, the question asked merely wants to have the remote control work in all rooms as he doesn't even want separate speakers in the rooms. Surely that can be achieved using a universal remote with RF and a RF reciever on a PC?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't you do a netbook-based setup for half the price ?
Find a cheap low-end computer with a touchscreen and you can probably set it up to be much , much better.As I understand it , though , the question asked merely wants to have the remote control work in all rooms as he does n't even want separate speakers in the rooms .
Surely that can be achieved using a universal remote with RF and a RF reciever on a PC ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't you do a netbook-based setup for half the price?
Find a cheap low-end computer with a touchscreen and you can probably set it up to be much, much better.As I understand it, though, the question asked merely wants to have the remote control work in all rooms as he doesn't even want separate speakers in the rooms.
Surely that can be achieved using a universal remote with RF and a RF reciever on a PC?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018672</id>
	<title>Hardware mod</title>
	<author>jrumney</author>
	<datestamp>1257608100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>something which requires a separate amp, speakers and PC in each room and requires a keyboard to control is right out.</p></div></blockquote><p>
If installing an amp and speakers in each room is out of the question, then perhaps the best solution is a hardware mod to your existing amp so the volume goes to 11.  That way you'll be able to hear it all over your house, and as a bonus, you can extend it to your neighbours' houses at no additional cost.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>something which requires a separate amp , speakers and PC in each room and requires a keyboard to control is right out .
If installing an amp and speakers in each room is out of the question , then perhaps the best solution is a hardware mod to your existing amp so the volume goes to 11 .
That way you 'll be able to hear it all over your house , and as a bonus , you can extend it to your neighbours ' houses at no additional cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>something which requires a separate amp, speakers and PC in each room and requires a keyboard to control is right out.
If installing an amp and speakers in each room is out of the question, then perhaps the best solution is a hardware mod to your existing amp so the volume goes to 11.
That way you'll be able to hear it all over your house, and as a bonus, you can extend it to your neighbours' houses at no additional cost.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017702</id>
	<title>What about DNLA or UPnP?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257597660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(subject)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( subject )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(subject)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30023000</id>
	<title>Good low cost wireless speakers</title>
	<author>bjr</author>
	<datestamp>1257703440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wireless (digital 900Mhz) speakers from Cables Unlimited (available at Newegg) are simple and work well enough to satisfy many listeners.  I use 4 of them with a server running the Squeezebox Server (free) and the squeezeslave application to get whole house audio.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wireless ( digital 900Mhz ) speakers from Cables Unlimited ( available at Newegg ) are simple and work well enough to satisfy many listeners .
I use 4 of them with a server running the Squeezebox Server ( free ) and the squeezeslave application to get whole house audio .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wireless (digital 900Mhz) speakers from Cables Unlimited (available at Newegg) are simple and work well enough to satisfy many listeners.
I use 4 of them with a server running the Squeezebox Server (free) and the squeezeslave application to get whole house audio.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017784</id>
	<title>SlimDevices / Squeezecenter</title>
	<author>audionoom</author>
	<datestamp>1257598440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You might want to check out Slim Devices (acquired by Logitech now) - http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/how-it-works/overview.html.</p><p>I'm usually not a big fan of all-in-one solutions from vendors like Logitech - but this is a no-brainer. If you have a NAS, you can hook it up, and control it from any web-enabled device (computer, android phone, iphone, netbook, maemo,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...) throughout the whole house over wireless. There are remote controls that work over a wireless network (Duet controller), and they also got speaker+player combo's.</p><p>The software is free, and available for Linux and Windows (no Mac I think?) - and it scans your library you point it to, indexes pretty neatly, and sports a good search, shows new music added<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>Also - same system streams internet radio, and there are a lot of plugins and small apps available (alarm, multiroom vs. synced audio stream,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...).</p><p>In my setup, I hooked 5 players up over cable in the rack closet, which are connected over audio cable to separate amplifiers. Speakers in the ceilings are connected to those amplifiers.<br>My rooms stay clean and uncluttered, and I control the whole thing through my HTC Hero phone, and the misses through her Iphone. The navigation and lookup on all devices (webinterface, phone apps, duet controller, Nokia 770) is pretty quick - given that I run an MP3 library of around 60Gb.</p><p>To pass the wife test - you can try and set up one of the products they have, and expand later on.</p><p>Total cost, without amps or speakers - 5 rooms, 5 different streams --- 5 players, 1 Duet controller - around 750Euros (around 1000$, approx).<br>However - if you'd only need one room to be connected to the NAS over wireless - you'd be set with about 400$, I guess (Duet controller + player).</p><p>When clients or friends are curious about the setup - I just give them the Duet controller or the Maemo tablet, put them in one of the rooms that are kitted out - and let them have a go at it. Even the n00bs or the laymen understand it without any info, and are quickly listening to their own stuff<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Just my 2 cents<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You might want to check out Slim Devices ( acquired by Logitech now ) - http : //www.logitechsqueezebox.com/how-it-works/overview.html.I 'm usually not a big fan of all-in-one solutions from vendors like Logitech - but this is a no-brainer .
If you have a NAS , you can hook it up , and control it from any web-enabled device ( computer , android phone , iphone , netbook , maemo , ... ) throughout the whole house over wireless .
There are remote controls that work over a wireless network ( Duet controller ) , and they also got speaker + player combo 's.The software is free , and available for Linux and Windows ( no Mac I think ?
) - and it scans your library you point it to , indexes pretty neatly , and sports a good search , shows new music added ...Also - same system streams internet radio , and there are a lot of plugins and small apps available ( alarm , multiroom vs. synced audio stream , ... ) .In my setup , I hooked 5 players up over cable in the rack closet , which are connected over audio cable to separate amplifiers .
Speakers in the ceilings are connected to those amplifiers.My rooms stay clean and uncluttered , and I control the whole thing through my HTC Hero phone , and the misses through her Iphone .
The navigation and lookup on all devices ( webinterface , phone apps , duet controller , Nokia 770 ) is pretty quick - given that I run an MP3 library of around 60Gb.To pass the wife test - you can try and set up one of the products they have , and expand later on.Total cost , without amps or speakers - 5 rooms , 5 different streams --- 5 players , 1 Duet controller - around 750Euros ( around 1000 $ , approx ) .However - if you 'd only need one room to be connected to the NAS over wireless - you 'd be set with about 400 $ , I guess ( Duet controller + player ) .When clients or friends are curious about the setup - I just give them the Duet controller or the Maemo tablet , put them in one of the rooms that are kitted out - and let them have a go at it .
Even the n00bs or the laymen understand it without any info , and are quickly listening to their own stuff ...Just my 2 cents .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might want to check out Slim Devices (acquired by Logitech now) - http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/how-it-works/overview.html.I'm usually not a big fan of all-in-one solutions from vendors like Logitech - but this is a no-brainer.
If you have a NAS, you can hook it up, and control it from any web-enabled device (computer, android phone, iphone, netbook, maemo, ...) throughout the whole house over wireless.
There are remote controls that work over a wireless network (Duet controller), and they also got speaker+player combo's.The software is free, and available for Linux and Windows (no Mac I think?
) - and it scans your library you point it to, indexes pretty neatly, and sports a good search, shows new music added ...Also - same system streams internet radio, and there are a lot of plugins and small apps available (alarm, multiroom vs. synced audio stream, ...).In my setup, I hooked 5 players up over cable in the rack closet, which are connected over audio cable to separate amplifiers.
Speakers in the ceilings are connected to those amplifiers.My rooms stay clean and uncluttered, and I control the whole thing through my HTC Hero phone, and the misses through her Iphone.
The navigation and lookup on all devices (webinterface, phone apps, duet controller, Nokia 770) is pretty quick - given that I run an MP3 library of around 60Gb.To pass the wife test - you can try and set up one of the products they have, and expand later on.Total cost, without amps or speakers - 5 rooms, 5 different streams --- 5 players, 1 Duet controller - around 750Euros (around 1000$, approx).However - if you'd only need one room to be connected to the NAS over wireless - you'd be set with about 400$, I guess (Duet controller + player).When clients or friends are curious about the setup - I just give them the Duet controller or the Maemo tablet, put them in one of the rooms that are kitted out - and let them have a go at it.
Even the n00bs or the laymen understand it without any info, and are quickly listening to their own stuff ...Just my 2 cents ...</sentencetext>
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	<title>Apple is best solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257613320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I've been looking for a solution to this for many years, via HTPC-enabled system.  When Apple released the Iphone/Itouch "Remote" application, it solved all my needs.  It brings up all your Itunes library, including album art, onto any PC, Iphone or Itouch.  The Itunes library will play in any room(s) where you place a $99 Apple Wifi router.  The router connects to any powered speaker or receiver system.  I have 3 of them around the house, including outdoors.  You turn each router music source off or on via any PC, Iphone or Itouch.  In effect, this is all free, since I needed 3 wifi access points to cover my house/property anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been looking for a solution to this for many years , via HTPC-enabled system .
When Apple released the Iphone/Itouch " Remote " application , it solved all my needs .
It brings up all your Itunes library , including album art , onto any PC , Iphone or Itouch .
The Itunes library will play in any room ( s ) where you place a $ 99 Apple Wifi router .
The router connects to any powered speaker or receiver system .
I have 3 of them around the house , including outdoors .
You turn each router music source off or on via any PC , Iphone or Itouch .
In effect , this is all free , since I needed 3 wifi access points to cover my house/property anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been looking for a solution to this for many years, via HTPC-enabled system.
When Apple released the Iphone/Itouch "Remote" application, it solved all my needs.
It brings up all your Itunes library, including album art, onto any PC, Iphone or Itouch.
The Itunes library will play in any room(s) where you place a $99 Apple Wifi router.
The router connects to any powered speaker or receiver system.
I have 3 of them around the house, including outdoors.
You turn each router music source off or on via any PC, Iphone or Itouch.
In effect, this is all free, since I needed 3 wifi access points to cover my house/property anyway.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30031208</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257773700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I love Sonos, it is expensive but worth every penny.</p><p>However, your $1200 is inaccurate. There are a multitude of entry points. You can have an amplified zone that needs speakers, you can have a box that runs into an existing amp, and with the S5 you can have just one box with built in speaker for about $400. You don't need a dedicated controller... I use my iphone and the PC software.</p><p>I can't prove I'm not a shill, but everything I've written is true anyways. SONOS rulz.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love Sonos , it is expensive but worth every penny.However , your $ 1200 is inaccurate .
There are a multitude of entry points .
You can have an amplified zone that needs speakers , you can have a box that runs into an existing amp , and with the S5 you can have just one box with built in speaker for about $ 400 .
You do n't need a dedicated controller... I use my iphone and the PC software.I ca n't prove I 'm not a shill , but everything I 've written is true anyways .
SONOS rulz .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love Sonos, it is expensive but worth every penny.However, your $1200 is inaccurate.
There are a multitude of entry points.
You can have an amplified zone that needs speakers, you can have a box that runs into an existing amp, and with the S5 you can have just one box with built in speaker for about $400.
You don't need a dedicated controller... I use my iphone and the PC software.I can't prove I'm not a shill, but everything I've written is true anyways.
SONOS rulz.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019554</id>
	<title>Re:Sonos</title>
	<author>SydShamino</author>
	<datestamp>1257620940000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure why you'd suggest a hard-wired solution in this day and age.</p><p>Buying a slightly-used iPod for each room that needs sound, plus a docking station with speaker jacks, would likely cost no more than $60-$80 per room.</p><p>Plus each room can have its own music playing from its own playlists controlled from the room itself, something that hard wires running from a central computer with multiple sound cards couldn't support without putting a dreaded computer (or iPod) in every room any way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure why you 'd suggest a hard-wired solution in this day and age.Buying a slightly-used iPod for each room that needs sound , plus a docking station with speaker jacks , would likely cost no more than $ 60- $ 80 per room.Plus each room can have its own music playing from its own playlists controlled from the room itself , something that hard wires running from a central computer with multiple sound cards could n't support without putting a dreaded computer ( or iPod ) in every room any way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure why you'd suggest a hard-wired solution in this day and age.Buying a slightly-used iPod for each room that needs sound, plus a docking station with speaker jacks, would likely cost no more than $60-$80 per room.Plus each room can have its own music playing from its own playlists controlled from the room itself, something that hard wires running from a central computer with multiple sound cards couldn't support without putting a dreaded computer (or iPod) in every room any way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30020464</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>PensivePeter</author>
	<datestamp>1257682680000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree<br>
I have the Squeezeboox software installed on a Windows Home Server that is dedicated to managing all household media files (music, photos, video, etc) and run several squeezebox units in different rooms(either just the base unit linked to high quality and more powerful external compotents - amp and speakers; or the larger squeezebox unit with built in amp and speakers for smaller rooms). One good function is the possibility to have different units stream the same music or channel to different units simultaneously.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree I have the Squeezeboox software installed on a Windows Home Server that is dedicated to managing all household media files ( music , photos , video , etc ) and run several squeezebox units in different rooms ( either just the base unit linked to high quality and more powerful external compotents - amp and speakers ; or the larger squeezebox unit with built in amp and speakers for smaller rooms ) .
One good function is the possibility to have different units stream the same music or channel to different units simultaneously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree
I have the Squeezeboox software installed on a Windows Home Server that is dedicated to managing all household media files (music, photos, video, etc) and run several squeezebox units in different rooms(either just the base unit linked to high quality and more powerful external compotents - amp and speakers; or the larger squeezebox unit with built in amp and speakers for smaller rooms).
One good function is the possibility to have different units stream the same music or channel to different units simultaneously.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018336</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>mcohrs</author>
	<datestamp>1257603660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Darn, but you are so full of your self. My 20 year old system powering 5 sets of parallel speakers must not be working, maybe I am just hearing echos from days gone by.  Seriously, it may not be the best idea, but it can and does work for me.  You could also run the speakers in series/parallel (like 2 parallel pair of 2 series speakers) or use matching transformers from a master 70 v line output transformer or any number of other ways. Or you could just be a smart *** and nominate the poster for a Darwin award, much easier, and evidently more fulfilling than being constructive.
Marlin</htmltext>
<tokenext>Darn , but you are so full of your self .
My 20 year old system powering 5 sets of parallel speakers must not be working , maybe I am just hearing echos from days gone by .
Seriously , it may not be the best idea , but it can and does work for me .
You could also run the speakers in series/parallel ( like 2 parallel pair of 2 series speakers ) or use matching transformers from a master 70 v line output transformer or any number of other ways .
Or you could just be a smart * * * and nominate the poster for a Darwin award , much easier , and evidently more fulfilling than being constructive .
Marlin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Darn, but you are so full of your self.
My 20 year old system powering 5 sets of parallel speakers must not be working, maybe I am just hearing echos from days gone by.
Seriously, it may not be the best idea, but it can and does work for me.
You could also run the speakers in series/parallel (like 2 parallel pair of 2 series speakers) or use matching transformers from a master 70 v line output transformer or any number of other ways.
Or you could just be a smart *** and nominate the poster for a Darwin award, much easier, and evidently more fulfilling than being constructive.
Marlin</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30025658</id>
	<title>Re:Deliver the audio via FM-radio</title>
	<author>justhatched</author>
	<datestamp>1257678660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perfect way to have your own music server turned radio station, when there is no ethernet and lotsa wifi interference or range problems, can be a great way for getting your own music to the shed down the back of the yard. </p><p>The main downside is in only being able to control playlists etc from one central location - if you have some means of doing this(ie a netbook,computer or other device, you have enough network to setup something like the squeezebox. Still, setup a big playlist and just tune in to your own station.</p><p>You could also use this as a way of extending your squeezebox based music network as well, you can setup your own stream. I needed to put the output from an eeepc through an amplifier before putting the signal into the fm transmitter, but it worked very well.

</p><p>For whole of house music it actually works better than software based syncronisation of the music servers, which can be be annoyingly a little out of sync due to network and cpu performance.</p><p>Just be careful of the amount of gain vs fm transmission laws, fines can be large for what could be taken as running a pirate radio station. </p><p>It actually works best in lower population density areas, as in the big cities there may not be a clear enough area available in the FM band for a reliable signal.  </p><p>Something like this is great for getting the signal to the studio out the back tho....</p><p>

<a href="http://www.fordray.com.au/Products/fmt\_lp/fmt\_lp.html" title="fordray.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.fordray.com.au/Products/fmt\_lp/fmt\_lp.html</a> [fordray.com.au]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perfect way to have your own music server turned radio station , when there is no ethernet and lotsa wifi interference or range problems , can be a great way for getting your own music to the shed down the back of the yard .
The main downside is in only being able to control playlists etc from one central location - if you have some means of doing this ( ie a netbook,computer or other device , you have enough network to setup something like the squeezebox .
Still , setup a big playlist and just tune in to your own station.You could also use this as a way of extending your squeezebox based music network as well , you can setup your own stream .
I needed to put the output from an eeepc through an amplifier before putting the signal into the fm transmitter , but it worked very well .
For whole of house music it actually works better than software based syncronisation of the music servers , which can be be annoyingly a little out of sync due to network and cpu performance.Just be careful of the amount of gain vs fm transmission laws , fines can be large for what could be taken as running a pirate radio station .
It actually works best in lower population density areas , as in the big cities there may not be a clear enough area available in the FM band for a reliable signal .
Something like this is great for getting the signal to the studio out the back tho... . http : //www.fordray.com.au/Products/fmt \ _lp/fmt \ _lp.html [ fordray.com.au ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perfect way to have your own music server turned radio station, when there is no ethernet and lotsa wifi interference or range problems, can be a great way for getting your own music to the shed down the back of the yard.
The main downside is in only being able to control playlists etc from one central location - if you have some means of doing this(ie a netbook,computer or other device, you have enough network to setup something like the squeezebox.
Still, setup a big playlist and just tune in to your own station.You could also use this as a way of extending your squeezebox based music network as well, you can setup your own stream.
I needed to put the output from an eeepc through an amplifier before putting the signal into the fm transmitter, but it worked very well.
For whole of house music it actually works better than software based syncronisation of the music servers, which can be be annoyingly a little out of sync due to network and cpu performance.Just be careful of the amount of gain vs fm transmission laws, fines can be large for what could be taken as running a pirate radio station.
It actually works best in lower population density areas, as in the big cities there may not be a clear enough area available in the FM band for a reliable signal.
Something like this is great for getting the signal to the studio out the back tho....

http://www.fordray.com.au/Products/fmt\_lp/fmt\_lp.html [fordray.com.au]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019948</id>
	<title>Re:Use your phone lines</title>
	<author>okmijnuhb</author>
	<datestamp>1257672660000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He could do a combination of series and parallel, and keep the impedance in check.<br>
2 - 8 ohm speakers in parallel are a 4 ohm load, in series they'd be 16 ohms.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He could do a combination of series and parallel , and keep the impedance in check .
2 - 8 ohm speakers in parallel are a 4 ohm load , in series they 'd be 16 ohms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He could do a combination of series and parallel, and keep the impedance in check.
2 - 8 ohm speakers in parallel are a 4 ohm load, in series they'd be 16 ohms.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30018468</id>
	<title>Re:squeezebox family</title>
	<author>ellbee</author>
	<datestamp>1257605100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Couldn't agree more - I've had three Squeezeboxes around the house for six or seven years and they've been great.  Others at work also rave about them.  There are now several ways to control them to suit taste and need.</p><p>I drove to their office to buy the first two and they're just good people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't agree more - I 've had three Squeezeboxes around the house for six or seven years and they 've been great .
Others at work also rave about them .
There are now several ways to control them to suit taste and need.I drove to their office to buy the first two and they 're just good people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't agree more - I've had three Squeezeboxes around the house for six or seven years and they've been great.
Others at work also rave about them.
There are now several ways to control them to suit taste and need.I drove to their office to buy the first two and they're just good people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30039442</id>
	<title>Why not a mac?</title>
	<author>GWBasic</author>
	<datestamp>1257766560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, honestly, why not just use a Mac Mini or an inexpensive Mac laptop with iTunes?  The audio quality is excellent, it's easy-to-use, and you have a more appliance-like experience with the remote control.  The new versions of iTunes support some form of magic synchronization, so you can effectively have a distributed backup system as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , honestly , why not just use a Mac Mini or an inexpensive Mac laptop with iTunes ?
The audio quality is excellent , it 's easy-to-use , and you have a more appliance-like experience with the remote control .
The new versions of iTunes support some form of magic synchronization , so you can effectively have a distributed backup system as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, honestly, why not just use a Mac Mini or an inexpensive Mac laptop with iTunes?
The audio quality is excellent, it's easy-to-use, and you have a more appliance-like experience with the remote control.
The new versions of iTunes support some form of magic synchronization, so you can effectively have a distributed backup system as well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30017822</id>
	<title>Squeezebox or AirTunes</title>
	<author>djkitsch</author>
	<datestamp>1257598680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got two systems setup (home and work):</p><p>Home:<br>A Mac Pro (could just as well use a Windows PC, but this is my home server) running iTunes. AirPort Express with AirTunes units in my bedroom, office and kitchen, with powered speakers attached to each. AppleTV (ehem - "enhanced", of course - <a href="http://wiki.awkwardtv.org/wiki/" title="awkwardtv.org">http://wiki.awkwardtv.org/wiki/</a> [awkwardtv.org]) in my lounge, hooked up to the TV and hi-fi. I use an iPhone or iPod Touch with the Remote app to control it, and it works great. You could get more functionality with a Sonos setup, but I already had the server and AppleTV, so it only cost me about $70 with eBay AirTunes units.</p><p>Office:<br>A VM running on our office server with Squeezebox Server, serving the tunes. A mixture of Squeezebox devices and PCs running the software player throughout the office. A whole load of apps and web interfaces to control the server, and the multiple streams coming out of it. With the exception of the Squeezebox hardware, it was free to setup, and you don't even really need those if you're happy to use spare PCs.</p><p>By and large, both arrangements work well - the aim was to have systems that we could just setup and forget about, and save the odd server reboot, that's what we've got.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got two systems setup ( home and work ) : Home : A Mac Pro ( could just as well use a Windows PC , but this is my home server ) running iTunes .
AirPort Express with AirTunes units in my bedroom , office and kitchen , with powered speakers attached to each .
AppleTV ( ehem - " enhanced " , of course - http : //wiki.awkwardtv.org/wiki/ [ awkwardtv.org ] ) in my lounge , hooked up to the TV and hi-fi .
I use an iPhone or iPod Touch with the Remote app to control it , and it works great .
You could get more functionality with a Sonos setup , but I already had the server and AppleTV , so it only cost me about $ 70 with eBay AirTunes units.Office : A VM running on our office server with Squeezebox Server , serving the tunes .
A mixture of Squeezebox devices and PCs running the software player throughout the office .
A whole load of apps and web interfaces to control the server , and the multiple streams coming out of it .
With the exception of the Squeezebox hardware , it was free to setup , and you do n't even really need those if you 're happy to use spare PCs.By and large , both arrangements work well - the aim was to have systems that we could just setup and forget about , and save the odd server reboot , that 's what we 've got .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got two systems setup (home and work):Home:A Mac Pro (could just as well use a Windows PC, but this is my home server) running iTunes.
AirPort Express with AirTunes units in my bedroom, office and kitchen, with powered speakers attached to each.
AppleTV (ehem - "enhanced", of course - http://wiki.awkwardtv.org/wiki/ [awkwardtv.org]) in my lounge, hooked up to the TV and hi-fi.
I use an iPhone or iPod Touch with the Remote app to control it, and it works great.
You could get more functionality with a Sonos setup, but I already had the server and AppleTV, so it only cost me about $70 with eBay AirTunes units.Office:A VM running on our office server with Squeezebox Server, serving the tunes.
A mixture of Squeezebox devices and PCs running the software player throughout the office.
A whole load of apps and web interfaces to control the server, and the multiple streams coming out of it.
With the exception of the Squeezebox hardware, it was free to setup, and you don't even really need those if you're happy to use spare PCs.By and large, both arrangements work well - the aim was to have systems that we could just setup and forget about, and save the odd server reboot, that's what we've got.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_2256218.30019958</id>
	<title>Re:Deliver the audio via FM-radio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257672840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I did the same, with a hot-rodded MPX-96 from <a href="http://www.northcountryradio.com/Kitpages/mpx96.htm" title="northcountryradio.com" rel="nofollow">north country</a> [northcountryradio.com] in the closet with my Eee 701 music server. Not only do I get crystal-clear music on a couple pairs of retired computer speakers as well as my stereo, I can use a pocket radio, including my Sansa or N800, and soon my N900, not only through my entire flat, but also out to the carpark and dumper.</p><p>Control-wise, I use mpd on the server, and I can VNC in to use Gimmix on the server, or use any mpd client directly over the network.</p><p>The one thing that bothers me is not the slight, but discernable, loss of separation, or the background noise in quiet sections, but the inability to use the same distribution system for watching TV or movies -- I'm hoping to set up pulseaudio to fix that at some point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did the same , with a hot-rodded MPX-96 from north country [ northcountryradio.com ] in the closet with my Eee 701 music server .
Not only do I get crystal-clear music on a couple pairs of retired computer speakers as well as my stereo , I can use a pocket radio , including my Sansa or N800 , and soon my N900 , not only through my entire flat , but also out to the carpark and dumper.Control-wise , I use mpd on the server , and I can VNC in to use Gimmix on the server , or use any mpd client directly over the network.The one thing that bothers me is not the slight , but discernable , loss of separation , or the background noise in quiet sections , but the inability to use the same distribution system for watching TV or movies -- I 'm hoping to set up pulseaudio to fix that at some point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did the same, with a hot-rodded MPX-96 from north country [northcountryradio.com] in the closet with my Eee 701 music server.
Not only do I get crystal-clear music on a couple pairs of retired computer speakers as well as my stereo, I can use a pocket radio, including my Sansa or N800, and soon my N900, not only through my entire flat, but also out to the carpark and dumper.Control-wise, I use mpd on the server, and I can VNC in to use Gimmix on the server, or use any mpd client directly over the network.The one thing that bothers me is not the slight, but discernable, loss of separation, or the background noise in quiet sections, but the inability to use the same distribution system for watching TV or movies -- I'm hoping to set up pulseaudio to fix that at some point.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Ebay for old Netbooks</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1257595740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would get a bunch of old netbooks on Ebay.  That would work with either Linux or Windows (shudder;).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would get a bunch of old netbooks on Ebay .
That would work with either Linux or Windows ( shudder ; ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would get a bunch of old netbooks on Ebay.
That would work with either Linux or Windows (shudder;).</sentencetext>
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	<title>Just turn it to 11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257600660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just turn the volume on the equipment in the living room up to 11. Unless your house is huge, that should cover all the rooms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just turn the volume on the equipment in the living room up to 11 .
Unless your house is huge , that should cover all the rooms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just turn the volume on the equipment in the living room up to 11.
Unless your house is huge, that should cover all the rooms.</sentencetext>
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