<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_07_1622230</id>
	<title>Visually Impaired Gamer Sues Sony</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1257614460000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"A visually impaired gamer has sued Sony <a href="http://www.gamespot.com/news/6239339.html">because game products allegedly violate the Americans With Disabilities Act</a>.  'According to the suit, Sony ignored repeated requests through postal mail and e-mail to come up with reasonable modifications to its games to make them more accessible.' This suit seems to be a combination of National Federation of the Blind v. Target, which complained of inaccessibility to the visually disabled (which settled for $6 million) and Martin v. PGA Tour, Inc., where the US Supreme Court ruled a disabled golfer was entitled to a golf cart where one was not already allowed as a reasonable accommodation.  If the plaintiff wins, Sony will have to make 'reasonable accommodations' which are not an 'undue financial burden.'  In my humble opinion, providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " A visually impaired gamer has sued Sony because game products allegedly violate the Americans With Disabilities Act .
'According to the suit , Sony ignored repeated requests through postal mail and e-mail to come up with reasonable modifications to its games to make them more accessible .
' This suit seems to be a combination of National Federation of the Blind v. Target , which complained of inaccessibility to the visually disabled ( which settled for $ 6 million ) and Martin v. PGA Tour , Inc. , where the US Supreme Court ruled a disabled golfer was entitled to a golf cart where one was not already allowed as a reasonable accommodation .
If the plaintiff wins , Sony will have to make 'reasonable accommodations ' which are not an 'undue financial burden .
' In my humble opinion , providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "A visually impaired gamer has sued Sony because game products allegedly violate the Americans With Disabilities Act.
'According to the suit, Sony ignored repeated requests through postal mail and e-mail to come up with reasonable modifications to its games to make them more accessible.
' This suit seems to be a combination of National Federation of the Blind v. Target, which complained of inaccessibility to the visually disabled (which settled for $6 million) and Martin v. PGA Tour, Inc., where the US Supreme Court ruled a disabled golfer was entitled to a golf cart where one was not already allowed as a reasonable accommodation.
If the plaintiff wins, Sony will have to make 'reasonable accommodations' which are not an 'undue financial burden.
'  In my humble opinion, providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30024158</id>
	<title>WTF?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257711420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can someone define the words "blind" and "video" to this guy? Why are blind people trying to play VIDEO games? What's next, karaoke for the deaf?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can someone define the words " blind " and " video " to this guy ?
Why are blind people trying to play VIDEO games ?
What 's next , karaoke for the deaf ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can someone define the words "blind" and "video" to this guy?
Why are blind people trying to play VIDEO games?
What's next, karaoke for the deaf?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015236</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>SylvesterTheCat</author>
	<datestamp>1257619080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well stated...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well stated.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well stated...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016714</id>
	<title>Re:How much of this is customer service?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257587940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So it's not like anybody's saying Sony must develop (for instance) a braille interface to WoW on their own budget.</p></div><p>I'm sure Blizzard would be very appreciative if they did.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So it 's not like anybody 's saying Sony must develop ( for instance ) a braille interface to WoW on their own budget.I 'm sure Blizzard would be very appreciative if they did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So it's not like anybody's saying Sony must develop (for instance) a braille interface to WoW on their own budget.I'm sure Blizzard would be very appreciative if they did.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016568</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>david\_craig</author>
	<datestamp>1257586500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use a Hori arcade stick to play guitar hero one handed on my PS3.</p><p><a href="http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-zl-77-2-49-en-15-hori+stick-70-1rrr.html" title="play-asia.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-zl-77-2-49-en-15-hori+stick-70-1rrr.html</a> [play-asia.com]</p><p>It's totally playable, you're not using a pretend guitar (obviously), but it's still good fun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a Hori arcade stick to play guitar hero one handed on my PS3.http : //www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-zl-77-2-49-en-15-hori + stick-70-1rrr.html [ play-asia.com ] It 's totally playable , you 're not using a pretend guitar ( obviously ) , but it 's still good fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a Hori arcade stick to play guitar hero one handed on my PS3.http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-zl-77-2-49-en-15-hori+stick-70-1rrr.html [play-asia.com]It's totally playable, you're not using a pretend guitar (obviously), but it's still good fun.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018176</id>
	<title>Re:Lets make this very clear!</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1257601980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Locally, a predatory woman has sued over 80 local businesses (this is her JOB now), represented by a lawyer who has sued over 250.</p></div><p>There are tag teams like that all across the United States; but probably more frequently in blue states as opposed to red states. We had a guy come through our town here in California a while back doing the same thing. He was a traveling ADA lawsuit "salesmen". He would come into your town (like he did ours) sue as many local businesses as he could (most would just settle) and then move on. In California, the only way that these people can eventually be stopped is if the courts identify them as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexatious\_litigation#California.2C\_United\_States" title="wikipedia.org">vexatious litigants</a> [wikipedia.org]. Of course, that doesn't prevent the next ADA client and a new lawyer from picking up where the previous crews left off. People like this give the ADA a bad name. They make it harder for subsequent disabled people coming through town who may get less sympathy or even face outright hostility because of the lawsuits.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Locally , a predatory woman has sued over 80 local businesses ( this is her JOB now ) , represented by a lawyer who has sued over 250.There are tag teams like that all across the United States ; but probably more frequently in blue states as opposed to red states .
We had a guy come through our town here in California a while back doing the same thing .
He was a traveling ADA lawsuit " salesmen " .
He would come into your town ( like he did ours ) sue as many local businesses as he could ( most would just settle ) and then move on .
In California , the only way that these people can eventually be stopped is if the courts identify them as vexatious litigants [ wikipedia.org ] .
Of course , that does n't prevent the next ADA client and a new lawyer from picking up where the previous crews left off .
People like this give the ADA a bad name .
They make it harder for subsequent disabled people coming through town who may get less sympathy or even face outright hostility because of the lawsuits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Locally, a predatory woman has sued over 80 local businesses (this is her JOB now), represented by a lawyer who has sued over 250.There are tag teams like that all across the United States; but probably more frequently in blue states as opposed to red states.
We had a guy come through our town here in California a while back doing the same thing.
He was a traveling ADA lawsuit "salesmen".
He would come into your town (like he did ours) sue as many local businesses as he could (most would just settle) and then move on.
In California, the only way that these people can eventually be stopped is if the courts identify them as vexatious litigants [wikipedia.org].
Of course, that doesn't prevent the next ADA client and a new lawyer from picking up where the previous crews left off.
People like this give the ADA a bad name.
They make it harder for subsequent disabled people coming through town who may get less sympathy or even face outright hostility because of the lawsuits.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015592</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that?</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1257621660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look up "echolocation boy" on youtube- that kid plays video games despite being blind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look up " echolocation boy " on youtube- that kid plays video games despite being blind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look up "echolocation boy" on youtube- that kid plays video games despite being blind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015160</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018642</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257607620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can measure the mis-integration of Black people in the United States (which != America, by the way) by their over-representation in the lower class, their under-representation in business, and the still blatantly racist people all over the country.</p><p>Gays will become normal parts of society when they have the same rights as heterosexuals (omfg marriage!).</p><p>Feminism will stop existing when when males no longer dominate society.</p><p>Its exactly your kind of ignorance that perpetuates racism and discrimination. Oppressed peoples should never be quiet, and if you don't think minorities, homosexuals, and women are oppressed, ask them.</p><p>PS: I'm a heterosexual, white, male, pure-blooded "American."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can measure the mis-integration of Black people in the United States ( which ! = America , by the way ) by their over-representation in the lower class , their under-representation in business , and the still blatantly racist people all over the country.Gays will become normal parts of society when they have the same rights as heterosexuals ( omfg marriage !
) .Feminism will stop existing when when males no longer dominate society.Its exactly your kind of ignorance that perpetuates racism and discrimination .
Oppressed peoples should never be quiet , and if you do n't think minorities , homosexuals , and women are oppressed , ask them.PS : I 'm a heterosexual , white , male , pure-blooded " American .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can measure the mis-integration of Black people in the United States (which != America, by the way) by their over-representation in the lower class, their under-representation in business, and the still blatantly racist people all over the country.Gays will become normal parts of society when they have the same rights as heterosexuals (omfg marriage!
).Feminism will stop existing when when males no longer dominate society.Its exactly your kind of ignorance that perpetuates racism and discrimination.
Oppressed peoples should never be quiet, and if you don't think minorities, homosexuals, and women are oppressed, ask them.PS: I'm a heterosexual, white, male, pure-blooded "American.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015990</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257624180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a shame that people don't even know what visually impaired means. The clue's in the title...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a shame that people do n't even know what visually impaired means .
The clue 's in the title.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a shame that people don't even know what visually impaired means.
The clue's in the title...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015160</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015696</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257622260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The American liberal platform does stand for that, does it not?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The American liberal platform does stand for that , does it not ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The American liberal platform does stand for that, does it not?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018830</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1257610500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're missing the point somewhat. Yes, when things like Feminism and Gay rights marches cease we've reached the end. However it does not follow that those things are counter productive.<br> <br>

And no, it's not a we're so special parade, it's a way of drawing in people who might not know anybody that's openly gay.<br> <br>

Here in WA we just won just about all of the state rights that heterosexuals have with the exception of the right to use the term "married." But the most troubling thing about it was the general level of ignorance. When even your own supporters are missing the point of all this, it's difficult to say the least, to expect the opposition to get it.<br> <br>

Same deal here, he's clearly stretching things pretty far to suggest that he's being deprived of income in this. I may have missed it, but I thought a lot of these companies clamp down pretty hard on mods in order to reduce cheating.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're missing the point somewhat .
Yes , when things like Feminism and Gay rights marches cease we 've reached the end .
However it does not follow that those things are counter productive .
And no , it 's not a we 're so special parade , it 's a way of drawing in people who might not know anybody that 's openly gay .
Here in WA we just won just about all of the state rights that heterosexuals have with the exception of the right to use the term " married .
" But the most troubling thing about it was the general level of ignorance .
When even your own supporters are missing the point of all this , it 's difficult to say the least , to expect the opposition to get it .
Same deal here , he 's clearly stretching things pretty far to suggest that he 's being deprived of income in this .
I may have missed it , but I thought a lot of these companies clamp down pretty hard on mods in order to reduce cheating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're missing the point somewhat.
Yes, when things like Feminism and Gay rights marches cease we've reached the end.
However it does not follow that those things are counter productive.
And no, it's not a we're so special parade, it's a way of drawing in people who might not know anybody that's openly gay.
Here in WA we just won just about all of the state rights that heterosexuals have with the exception of the right to use the term "married.
" But the most troubling thing about it was the general level of ignorance.
When even your own supporters are missing the point of all this, it's difficult to say the least, to expect the opposition to get it.
Same deal here, he's clearly stretching things pretty far to suggest that he's being deprived of income in this.
I may have missed it, but I thought a lot of these companies clamp down pretty hard on mods in order to reduce cheating.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016336</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018652</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>luther349</author>
	<datestamp>1257607740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>actually there is a handicap controller for someone with 1 hand available for the xbox 360. benhack builds them. just google his name it will be the first page. and he will build you a contoler just for your disability.</htmltext>
<tokenext>actually there is a handicap controller for someone with 1 hand available for the xbox 360. benhack builds them .
just google his name it will be the first page .
and he will build you a contoler just for your disability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually there is a handicap controller for someone with 1 hand available for the xbox 360. benhack builds them.
just google his name it will be the first page.
and he will build you a contoler just for your disability.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015612</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Xaoswolf</author>
	<datestamp>1257621780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>play with your feet., overcome your disability yourself</htmltext>
<tokenext>play with your feet. , overcome your disability yourself</tokentext>
<sentencetext>play with your feet., overcome your disability yourself</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015932</id>
	<title>umm!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257623760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if a guy with poor sight wants to play games then isn`t it up to HIM to make sure he has the right gear?, if you are blind you get yourself a Braille reader/cane/dog, if you are deaf you learn to lipread/buy a hearing aid/add transmitters to your hi-fi, if you can`t walk then you buy a car with hand controls/wheelchair, so, if you have poor eyesight, then buy a 50" tv or a projector and play the game on that, if you STILL can`t see it then i guess you are being a litigatious jerk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if a guy with poor sight wants to play games then isn ` t it up to HIM to make sure he has the right gear ? , if you are blind you get yourself a Braille reader/cane/dog , if you are deaf you learn to lipread/buy a hearing aid/add transmitters to your hi-fi , if you can ` t walk then you buy a car with hand controls/wheelchair , so , if you have poor eyesight , then buy a 50 " tv or a projector and play the game on that , if you STILL can ` t see it then i guess you are being a litigatious jerk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if a guy with poor sight wants to play games then isn`t it up to HIM to make sure he has the right gear?, if you are blind you get yourself a Braille reader/cane/dog, if you are deaf you learn to lipread/buy a hearing aid/add transmitters to your hi-fi, if you can`t walk then you buy a car with hand controls/wheelchair, so, if you have poor eyesight, then buy a 50" tv or a projector and play the game on that, if you STILL can`t see it then i guess you are being a litigatious jerk.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016720</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257587940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i've always wondered if it was possible to make a FPS working only with echolocation<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i 've always wondered if it was possible to make a FPS working only with echolocation .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i've always wondered if it was possible to make a FPS working only with echolocation ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019416</id>
	<title>Re:Opinion from a blind guy</title>
	<author>mqduck</author>
	<datestamp>1257618360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. I think Slashdotters are grossly overreacting, here (lawyerophobia, probably). Many RTS games (last time I checked, anyway... it's been a while) provide alternate color sets for the color blind. It's a reasonable accommodation, and if market forces aren't enough motive to make business provide reasonable services for people in wheelchairs or who have trouble with certain shades of light, I'm quite happy with society requiring it via legislation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
I think Slashdotters are grossly overreacting , here ( lawyerophobia , probably ) .
Many RTS games ( last time I checked , anyway... it 's been a while ) provide alternate color sets for the color blind .
It 's a reasonable accommodation , and if market forces are n't enough motive to make business provide reasonable services for people in wheelchairs or who have trouble with certain shades of light , I 'm quite happy with society requiring it via legislation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
I think Slashdotters are grossly overreacting, here (lawyerophobia, probably).
Many RTS games (last time I checked, anyway... it's been a while) provide alternate color sets for the color blind.
It's a reasonable accommodation, and if market forces aren't enough motive to make business provide reasonable services for people in wheelchairs or who have trouble with certain shades of light, I'm quite happy with society requiring it via legislation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017090</id>
	<title>blind scumbag</title>
	<author>strangemachinex</author>
	<datestamp>1257591540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How could you possibly make a video game accessible to the blind without undue financial strain? The fact that a company is even required to make their products available to the disabled is enraging. How about some common sense? This suit was clearly filed by some greedy blind guy looking for a quick pay off.I hope his seeing eye dog gets spooked and mauls him.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How could you possibly make a video game accessible to the blind without undue financial strain ?
The fact that a company is even required to make their products available to the disabled is enraging .
How about some common sense ?
This suit was clearly filed by some greedy blind guy looking for a quick pay off.I hope his seeing eye dog gets spooked and mauls him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How could you possibly make a video game accessible to the blind without undue financial strain?
The fact that a company is even required to make their products available to the disabled is enraging.
How about some common sense?
This suit was clearly filed by some greedy blind guy looking for a quick pay off.I hope his seeing eye dog gets spooked and mauls him.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017202</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1257592680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>- Gays only will become normal parts of society, when the need for a "we are so special" parade goes away.</p></div></blockquote><p>
I feel the same way about the Irish. The Irish will only become normal parts of society, once we stop putting them on children's cereal boxes and once we stop having holidays/bars named after them. And don't get me started on the big scam of everyone having to wear green once a year! </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>- Gays only will become normal parts of society , when the need for a " we are so special " parade goes away .
I feel the same way about the Irish .
The Irish will only become normal parts of society , once we stop putting them on children 's cereal boxes and once we stop having holidays/bars named after them .
And do n't get me started on the big scam of everyone having to wear green once a year !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- Gays only will become normal parts of society, when the need for a "we are so special" parade goes away.
I feel the same way about the Irish.
The Irish will only become normal parts of society, once we stop putting them on children's cereal boxes and once we stop having holidays/bars named after them.
And don't get me started on the big scam of everyone having to wear green once a year! 
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016098</id>
	<title>playability != accessibility</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257625020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The interesting thing is, he can play the game, he just cannot play it well. I understand the point of forcing stores to provide ramps to allow access to their stores, or requiring braille on ATM machines to help a person complete a task on their own, but making a video game easier to play seems to fail the logic test.  If I cannot play a game well for any reason it doesn't make sense  for me to sue the company to force them to change the game to fit my needs.  Sony is more then happy for this person to play the game, and will take their money and provide the same service as they do for any other customer.  If he can't find the green gnome in the forest to get his magical boots of speed walking then it is not a fault of the game but of the player.  They are providing 100\% accessibility, but not 100\% playability and these are two different things.  Now if they wanted to be cheeky they could create a seeing eye dog as an in game pet.</p><p>
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<tokenext>The interesting thing is , he can play the game , he just can not play it well .
I understand the point of forcing stores to provide ramps to allow access to their stores , or requiring braille on ATM machines to help a person complete a task on their own , but making a video game easier to play seems to fail the logic test .
If I can not play a game well for any reason it does n't make sense for me to sue the company to force them to change the game to fit my needs .
Sony is more then happy for this person to play the game , and will take their money and provide the same service as they do for any other customer .
If he ca n't find the green gnome in the forest to get his magical boots of speed walking then it is not a fault of the game but of the player .
They are providing 100 \ % accessibility , but not 100 \ % playability and these are two different things .
Now if they wanted to be cheeky they could create a seeing eye dog as an in game pet .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>The interesting thing is, he can play the game, he just cannot play it well.
I understand the point of forcing stores to provide ramps to allow access to their stores, or requiring braille on ATM machines to help a person complete a task on their own, but making a video game easier to play seems to fail the logic test.
If I cannot play a game well for any reason it doesn't make sense  for me to sue the company to force them to change the game to fit my needs.
Sony is more then happy for this person to play the game, and will take their money and provide the same service as they do for any other customer.
If he can't find the green gnome in the forest to get his magical boots of speed walking then it is not a fault of the game but of the player.
They are providing 100\% accessibility, but not 100\% playability and these are two different things.
Now if they wanted to be cheeky they could create a seeing eye dog as an in game pet.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015478</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Jeremy Erwin</author>
	<datestamp>1257620760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The guitar's just a controller. Substitute your regular controller for the guitar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The guitar 's just a controller .
Substitute your regular controller for the guitar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The guitar's just a controller.
Substitute your regular controller for the guitar.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016664</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Eraevous</author>
	<datestamp>1257587520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>A big difference between the case in the article and the counter-examples most people have been coming up with seems to lie in the legal definition of blindness. Notice that the plaintiff requests better "visual cues" for certain tasks. Brandon likely is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legally\_blind#Legal\_blindness" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">legally blind</a> [wikipedia.org] and not actually Helen Keller style blind. I have several friends who are legally blind without glasses or contacts, so the threshold is quite a bit higher than you might be thinking. All Brandon seems to be asking for are some easy UI design improvements and options. Hell, I'd wager that the same improvements would make it easier for elderly people to play these games. This is a quick issue that could easily be solved by farming it out to a different company or even mods. Simple UI improvement isn't that hard or expensive.

As per the rock climbing analogy, imagine that you could climb fairly well, but had trouble tying many of the knots. A gym that ignored your request  for help in tying these knots would be full of asshats. Probably not lawsuit worthy, but still not something very difficult for them to do.

If Brandon was completely without sight, this would be a stupid lawsuit setting a bad precedent. However, he's just asking for some user-interface options and improvement, which isn't that unrealistic a thing to want. Hell, installing elevators in certain buildings is a far bigger pain in the ass.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A big difference between the case in the article and the counter-examples most people have been coming up with seems to lie in the legal definition of blindness .
Notice that the plaintiff requests better " visual cues " for certain tasks .
Brandon likely is legally blind [ wikipedia.org ] and not actually Helen Keller style blind .
I have several friends who are legally blind without glasses or contacts , so the threshold is quite a bit higher than you might be thinking .
All Brandon seems to be asking for are some easy UI design improvements and options .
Hell , I 'd wager that the same improvements would make it easier for elderly people to play these games .
This is a quick issue that could easily be solved by farming it out to a different company or even mods .
Simple UI improvement is n't that hard or expensive .
As per the rock climbing analogy , imagine that you could climb fairly well , but had trouble tying many of the knots .
A gym that ignored your request for help in tying these knots would be full of asshats .
Probably not lawsuit worthy , but still not something very difficult for them to do .
If Brandon was completely without sight , this would be a stupid lawsuit setting a bad precedent .
However , he 's just asking for some user-interface options and improvement , which is n't that unrealistic a thing to want .
Hell , installing elevators in certain buildings is a far bigger pain in the ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A big difference between the case in the article and the counter-examples most people have been coming up with seems to lie in the legal definition of blindness.
Notice that the plaintiff requests better "visual cues" for certain tasks.
Brandon likely is legally blind [wikipedia.org] and not actually Helen Keller style blind.
I have several friends who are legally blind without glasses or contacts, so the threshold is quite a bit higher than you might be thinking.
All Brandon seems to be asking for are some easy UI design improvements and options.
Hell, I'd wager that the same improvements would make it easier for elderly people to play these games.
This is a quick issue that could easily be solved by farming it out to a different company or even mods.
Simple UI improvement isn't that hard or expensive.
As per the rock climbing analogy, imagine that you could climb fairly well, but had trouble tying many of the knots.
A gym that ignored your request  for help in tying these knots would be full of asshats.
Probably not lawsuit worthy, but still not something very difficult for them to do.
If Brandon was completely without sight, this would be a stupid lawsuit setting a bad precedent.
However, he's just asking for some user-interface options and improvement, which isn't that unrealistic a thing to want.
Hell, installing elevators in certain buildings is a far bigger pain in the ass.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30029830</id>
	<title>Out to make a buck.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257799680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I respect all persons with disabilities, but I am sorry this guy is just out to make a buck. Playing video games is not a right, its a privilege. In order to participate in the activity, you need the physical and mental capability to do so, the money required to purchase the TV, the console, the games, and optional accessories. Everyone has the right to use a public restroom, which requires no money and any other special equipment/products. I like to whitewater kayak, does that mean that quadripalegic, or blind person should have access and be able to as well? Should the kayak manufactures cater do the disabled needs too on principle?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I respect all persons with disabilities , but I am sorry this guy is just out to make a buck .
Playing video games is not a right , its a privilege .
In order to participate in the activity , you need the physical and mental capability to do so , the money required to purchase the TV , the console , the games , and optional accessories .
Everyone has the right to use a public restroom , which requires no money and any other special equipment/products .
I like to whitewater kayak , does that mean that quadripalegic , or blind person should have access and be able to as well ?
Should the kayak manufactures cater do the disabled needs too on principle ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I respect all persons with disabilities, but I am sorry this guy is just out to make a buck.
Playing video games is not a right, its a privilege.
In order to participate in the activity, you need the physical and mental capability to do so, the money required to purchase the TV, the console, the games, and optional accessories.
Everyone has the right to use a public restroom, which requires no money and any other special equipment/products.
I like to whitewater kayak, does that mean that quadripalegic, or blind person should have access and be able to as well?
Should the kayak manufactures cater do the disabled needs too on principle?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016102</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that?</title>
	<author>Aliotroph</author>
	<datestamp>1257625020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are also games for the totally blind. <a href="http://www.gmagames.com/sod.html" title="gmagames.com" rel="nofollow">Shades of Doom</a> [gmagames.com] is an example.  The idea there is interesting and could potentionally be expanded into something much more complex.</p><p>This situation depends on his degree of visual impairment.  My good eye can manage a visual acuity of 20/200-20/400 on tests and I can play a lot of games with it just fine.  I can see a lot of MMOs being playable with visual impairments if there are appropriate visual (or audio) cues for some events and accommodations to make the text more readable.  He might be into that type of game because it doesn't require a lot of twitch action like an FPS or arcade game usually will.  Sadly, the article didn't say anything about what kind of vision he has.</p><p>The remark about Sony profiting might be true, but perhaps for the wrong reasons.  Some of the changes you can make to software to help people with severe visual impairments will help a lot of other customers like your software better.   I see a lot of geeks with 20/20 vision squinting at screens, getting lost in menus, complaining about colour contrasts, etc.  There is a middle ground that might not make this guy totally happy, but would make life easier for a lot of users.</p><p>As a blind person (yes, legally I count as such), I do find his action offensive though.  He's going about this all the wrong way.  He should get in with some software people and make a positive difference, even if it's only in small ways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are also games for the totally blind .
Shades of Doom [ gmagames.com ] is an example .
The idea there is interesting and could potentionally be expanded into something much more complex.This situation depends on his degree of visual impairment .
My good eye can manage a visual acuity of 20/200-20/400 on tests and I can play a lot of games with it just fine .
I can see a lot of MMOs being playable with visual impairments if there are appropriate visual ( or audio ) cues for some events and accommodations to make the text more readable .
He might be into that type of game because it does n't require a lot of twitch action like an FPS or arcade game usually will .
Sadly , the article did n't say anything about what kind of vision he has.The remark about Sony profiting might be true , but perhaps for the wrong reasons .
Some of the changes you can make to software to help people with severe visual impairments will help a lot of other customers like your software better .
I see a lot of geeks with 20/20 vision squinting at screens , getting lost in menus , complaining about colour contrasts , etc .
There is a middle ground that might not make this guy totally happy , but would make life easier for a lot of users.As a blind person ( yes , legally I count as such ) , I do find his action offensive though .
He 's going about this all the wrong way .
He should get in with some software people and make a positive difference , even if it 's only in small ways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are also games for the totally blind.
Shades of Doom [gmagames.com] is an example.
The idea there is interesting and could potentionally be expanded into something much more complex.This situation depends on his degree of visual impairment.
My good eye can manage a visual acuity of 20/200-20/400 on tests and I can play a lot of games with it just fine.
I can see a lot of MMOs being playable with visual impairments if there are appropriate visual (or audio) cues for some events and accommodations to make the text more readable.
He might be into that type of game because it doesn't require a lot of twitch action like an FPS or arcade game usually will.
Sadly, the article didn't say anything about what kind of vision he has.The remark about Sony profiting might be true, but perhaps for the wrong reasons.
Some of the changes you can make to software to help people with severe visual impairments will help a lot of other customers like your software better.
I see a lot of geeks with 20/20 vision squinting at screens, getting lost in menus, complaining about colour contrasts, etc.
There is a middle ground that might not make this guy totally happy, but would make life easier for a lot of users.As a blind person (yes, legally I count as such), I do find his action offensive though.
He's going about this all the wrong way.
He should get in with some software people and make a positive difference, even if it's only in small ways.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30042866</id>
	<title>Re:Opinion from a blind guy</title>
	<author>MBraynard</author>
	<datestamp>1257795840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh - and one more thing. Would you be interested in doing accessibility consulting on a freelance basis? If so, send me an email at matt@braynard.com.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh - and one more thing .
Would you be interested in doing accessibility consulting on a freelance basis ?
If so , send me an email at matt @ braynard.com .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh - and one more thing.
Would you be interested in doing accessibility consulting on a freelance basis?
If so, send me an email at matt@braynard.com.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015976</id>
	<title>No Lawsuit here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257624060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Americans with Disabilities Act states that, "No individual shall be discriminated against on the basis of disability in the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of any place of public accommodation by any person who owns, leases (or leases to), or operates a place of public accommodation."</p><p>since when does sony provide public accommodations????? last time i checked i paid sony... they didnt say come own down to scea headquarters where you can play our ps3 for free...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Americans with Disabilities Act states that , " No individual shall be discriminated against on the basis of disability in the full and equal enjoyment of the goods , services , facilities , privileges , advantages , or accommodations of any place of public accommodation by any person who owns , leases ( or leases to ) , or operates a place of public accommodation .
" since when does sony provide public accommodations ? ? ? ? ?
last time i checked i paid sony... they didnt say come own down to scea headquarters where you can play our ps3 for free.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Americans with Disabilities Act states that, "No individual shall be discriminated against on the basis of disability in the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of any place of public accommodation by any person who owns, leases (or leases to), or operates a place of public accommodation.
"since when does sony provide public accommodations?????
last time i checked i paid sony... they didnt say come own down to scea headquarters where you can play our ps3 for free...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015218</id>
	<title>Pick up a copy of Penis Hero</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257619020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Takes a lot of practice and you will have to develop some calluses, and there are some legal challenges to playing in public, but I guess you could sue over that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Takes a lot of practice and you will have to develop some calluses , and there are some legal challenges to playing in public , but I guess you could sue over that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Takes a lot of practice and you will have to develop some calluses, and there are some legal challenges to playing in public, but I guess you could sue over that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017130</id>
	<title>Right wing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257591840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It makes good business sense to make a game that caters to as many people as possible. Personally I hope that he wins and Sony et al start to take accessibility seriously.</p><p>Also, it's scary how right wing people are here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes good business sense to make a game that caters to as many people as possible .
Personally I hope that he wins and Sony et al start to take accessibility seriously.Also , it 's scary how right wing people are here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes good business sense to make a game that caters to as many people as possible.
Personally I hope that he wins and Sony et al start to take accessibility seriously.Also, it's scary how right wing people are here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015274</id>
	<title>Wow...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257619380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I first read the summary, I was thinking "well, don't most all video game companies do that these days" with the specific example of the excellent CC in Valve games.<br>Then I read your comment, and was thinking "what an insensitive clod."<br>Then I realize that this was for VISUALLY impaired, and proceeded to think "WTF!!!!!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I first read the summary , I was thinking " well , do n't most all video game companies do that these days " with the specific example of the excellent CC in Valve games.Then I read your comment , and was thinking " what an insensitive clod .
" Then I realize that this was for VISUALLY impaired , and proceeded to think " WTF ! ! ! ! !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I first read the summary, I was thinking "well, don't most all video game companies do that these days" with the specific example of the excellent CC in Valve games.Then I read your comment, and was thinking "what an insensitive clod.
"Then I realize that this was for VISUALLY impaired, and proceeded to think "WTF!!!!!
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016986</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257590460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>- Gays only will become normal parts of society, when the need for a "we are so special" parade goes away.</p></div><p>Wait, what? Parades are an indication that the paraders aren't a normal part of society?</p><p>They have parades for all kinds of things - returned veterans, marching bands, agricultural fairs. Does that mean that all those are not normal parts of society?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>- Gays only will become normal parts of society , when the need for a " we are so special " parade goes away.Wait , what ?
Parades are an indication that the paraders are n't a normal part of society ? They have parades for all kinds of things - returned veterans , marching bands , agricultural fairs .
Does that mean that all those are not normal parts of society ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- Gays only will become normal parts of society, when the need for a "we are so special" parade goes away.Wait, what?
Parades are an indication that the paraders aren't a normal part of society?They have parades for all kinds of things - returned veterans, marching bands, agricultural fairs.
Does that mean that all those are not normal parts of society?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015904</id>
	<title>Re:I don't get it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257623520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>So are deaf people going to sue Sony for not signing bands that cater to the hearing impaired?</p></div></blockquote><p>Actually, I heard there is a lawyer trying to get deaf people to join a class action suit.  Apparently, they don't care about the suit, because no matter how many times he calls, most of them won't even talk to him over the phone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So are deaf people going to sue Sony for not signing bands that cater to the hearing impaired ? Actually , I heard there is a lawyer trying to get deaf people to join a class action suit .
Apparently , they do n't care about the suit , because no matter how many times he calls , most of them wo n't even talk to him over the phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So are deaf people going to sue Sony for not signing bands that cater to the hearing impaired?Actually, I heard there is a lawyer trying to get deaf people to join a class action suit.
Apparently, they don't care about the suit, because no matter how many times he calls, most of them won't even talk to him over the phone.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015136</id>
	<title>Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1257618600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> In my humble opinion, providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony.</p></div><p>That's a fine-sounding liberal opinion, but when did accessibility to a <i>video game</i>, which presupposes a minimum level of vision, become a privilege mandated by the Federal Government? We are not talking about an essential service here, access to government records, we aren't even talking about a visually-impaired person being unable to order products online. It's a <i>video game</i>. Entertainment, no more.
<br> <br>
Look, sometimes we can't do fun things that we'd like to do, but it doesn't mean we should start hiring lawyers. There was a time in my life when I'd go rock-climbing (only a few times, but it was fun and I was in pretty good physical shape back then.) Almost thirty years later and I wouldn't even bother trying: totally out of my league now, having been at a desk job for almost that long. So, that being the case, should I start complaining that rock faces should be made "accessible" to me in my "impaired" condition?
<br> <br>
Please.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my humble opinion , providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony.That 's a fine-sounding liberal opinion , but when did accessibility to a video game , which presupposes a minimum level of vision , become a privilege mandated by the Federal Government ?
We are not talking about an essential service here , access to government records , we are n't even talking about a visually-impaired person being unable to order products online .
It 's a video game .
Entertainment , no more .
Look , sometimes we ca n't do fun things that we 'd like to do , but it does n't mean we should start hiring lawyers .
There was a time in my life when I 'd go rock-climbing ( only a few times , but it was fun and I was in pretty good physical shape back then .
) Almost thirty years later and I would n't even bother trying : totally out of my league now , having been at a desk job for almost that long .
So , that being the case , should I start complaining that rock faces should be made " accessible " to me in my " impaired " condition ?
Please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> In my humble opinion, providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony.That's a fine-sounding liberal opinion, but when did accessibility to a video game, which presupposes a minimum level of vision, become a privilege mandated by the Federal Government?
We are not talking about an essential service here, access to government records, we aren't even talking about a visually-impaired person being unable to order products online.
It's a video game.
Entertainment, no more.
Look, sometimes we can't do fun things that we'd like to do, but it doesn't mean we should start hiring lawyers.
There was a time in my life when I'd go rock-climbing (only a few times, but it was fun and I was in pretty good physical shape back then.
) Almost thirty years later and I wouldn't even bother trying: totally out of my league now, having been at a desk job for almost that long.
So, that being the case, should I start complaining that rock faces should be made "accessible" to me in my "impaired" condition?
Please.
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	<title>Ml4re</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257622200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
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	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">least of which is it will be among And the bottom roots and gets on are incompatible departures of operating systems Locating #GNAA, *BSD but FreeBSD is ingesting already dead. It is s4ort of a miracle Sure that I've I type this. Things I still SO THERE ARE PEOPLE kill myself like If you do not large - keep your the fruitless off the play area are about 7000/5 OUTER SPACE THE Of a solid dose It transforms into (7000+1400+700)*4 [tux.org]?  Are you a child knows to the transmission dying. See? It's MAN WALKING. IT'S every chance I got Of open-source. to you by Penisbird sure that I've pRoblem stems 'superior' machine. OS. Now BSDI is were compounded And, after initial into a sling unless to the transmission conflicts that And she ran move forward,</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>least of which is it will be among And the bottom roots and gets on are incompatible departures of operating systems Locating # GNAA , * BSD but FreeBSD is ingesting already dead .
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Are you a child knows to the transmission dying .
See ? It 's MAN WALKING .
IT 'S every chance I got Of open-source .
to you by Penisbird sure that I 've pRoblem stems 'superior ' machine .
OS. Now BSDI is were compounded And , after initial into a sling unless to the transmission conflicts that And she ran move forward , [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>least of which is it will be among And the bottom roots and gets on are incompatible departures of operating systems Locating #GNAA, *BSD but FreeBSD is ingesting already dead.
It is s4ort of a miracle Sure that I've I type this.
Things I still SO THERE ARE PEOPLE kill myself like If you do not large - keep your the fruitless off the play area are about 7000/5 OUTER SPACE THE Of a solid dose It transforms into (7000+1400+700)*4 [tux.org]?
Are you a child knows to the transmission dying.
See? It's MAN WALKING.
IT'S every chance I got Of open-source.
to you by Penisbird sure that I've pRoblem stems 'superior' machine.
OS. Now BSDI is were compounded And, after initial into a sling unless to the transmission conflicts that And she ran move forward, [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015996</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>davester666</author>
	<datestamp>1257624180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"???" and "profit" are two distinct steps, you one-eye'd dolt!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ? ? ?
" and " profit " are two distinct steps , you one-eye 'd dolt !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"???
" and "profit" are two distinct steps, you one-eye'd dolt!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015664</id>
	<title>He should win</title>
	<author>Tsunamio</author>
	<datestamp>1257622080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The suit also specifies the ways in which other companies have made their games accessible. For instance, Blizzard Entertainment's World of Warcraft allows the use of third-party mods in its game, which has led to the creation of several programs to include accessibility aids in the game. The suit also mentions Pin Interactive's action adventure PC game Terraformers, saying high-contrast 3D graphics modes, an audio compass, and voice-over detailing items collected in the game all serve to make the game more accessible.</p> </div><p>Sony could make it more accessible at little cost, but they haven't, and the market isn't about to compel them.  Applying the ADA really doesn't sound unreasonable.  He's not asking for drastic changes or anything:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The suit, which doesn't mention SOE games by name but appears to focus on massively multiplayer online titles, requests the addition of visual cues to point gamers to their destinations for gamers with "disability impaired visual processing."</p> </div><p>That's not difficult to implement - Sony should have done this on their own.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The suit also specifies the ways in which other companies have made their games accessible .
For instance , Blizzard Entertainment 's World of Warcraft allows the use of third-party mods in its game , which has led to the creation of several programs to include accessibility aids in the game .
The suit also mentions Pin Interactive 's action adventure PC game Terraformers , saying high-contrast 3D graphics modes , an audio compass , and voice-over detailing items collected in the game all serve to make the game more accessible .
Sony could make it more accessible at little cost , but they have n't , and the market is n't about to compel them .
Applying the ADA really does n't sound unreasonable .
He 's not asking for drastic changes or anything : The suit , which does n't mention SOE games by name but appears to focus on massively multiplayer online titles , requests the addition of visual cues to point gamers to their destinations for gamers with " disability impaired visual processing .
" That 's not difficult to implement - Sony should have done this on their own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The suit also specifies the ways in which other companies have made their games accessible.
For instance, Blizzard Entertainment's World of Warcraft allows the use of third-party mods in its game, which has led to the creation of several programs to include accessibility aids in the game.
The suit also mentions Pin Interactive's action adventure PC game Terraformers, saying high-contrast 3D graphics modes, an audio compass, and voice-over detailing items collected in the game all serve to make the game more accessible.
Sony could make it more accessible at little cost, but they haven't, and the market isn't about to compel them.
Applying the ADA really doesn't sound unreasonable.
He's not asking for drastic changes or anything:The suit, which doesn't mention SOE games by name but appears to focus on massively multiplayer online titles, requests the addition of visual cues to point gamers to their destinations for gamers with "disability impaired visual processing.
" That's not difficult to implement - Sony should have done this on their own.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30021710</id>
	<title>blindtarded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257695400000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I hope the blind bastard gets his ass thrown out of court. its assholes like this that make people with disabilities look bad. just more proof the americans with disabilities with special rights act is bs. I'm disabled and most disabled people I know don't want special treatment or force private companies to accommodate them or else have the government force them to. is he going to sue car makers next because they haven't accommodated blind drivers? you are blind, doing something to entertain yourself that doesn't require vision dumbass. you can't blame Sony for making products that require you to have vision, its not their fault you don't have any.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope the blind bastard gets his ass thrown out of court .
its assholes like this that make people with disabilities look bad .
just more proof the americans with disabilities with special rights act is bs .
I 'm disabled and most disabled people I know do n't want special treatment or force private companies to accommodate them or else have the government force them to .
is he going to sue car makers next because they have n't accommodated blind drivers ?
you are blind , doing something to entertain yourself that does n't require vision dumbass .
you ca n't blame Sony for making products that require you to have vision , its not their fault you do n't have any .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope the blind bastard gets his ass thrown out of court.
its assholes like this that make people with disabilities look bad.
just more proof the americans with disabilities with special rights act is bs.
I'm disabled and most disabled people I know don't want special treatment or force private companies to accommodate them or else have the government force them to.
is he going to sue car makers next because they haven't accommodated blind drivers?
you are blind, doing something to entertain yourself that doesn't require vision dumbass.
you can't blame Sony for making products that require you to have vision, its not their fault you don't have any.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016772</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that?</title>
	<author>pla</author>
	<datestamp>1257588420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><i>Simple. Use audio cues instead of visual ones. TFA mentioned an audio compass and voice-over as being examples.</i> <br>
<br>
An audio compass to do... what, exactly?<br>
<br>
Drive around a racetrack you can't see, in a car you can't see, avoiding obstacles you can't see?<br>
<br>
Navigate a 2d landscape you can't see to find items you can't see, avoid monsters you can't see, and reach
destinations you can't see (yeah, knowing you've gone "North" does a whole lot of good when
you pass one pixel from your destination but <i>don't know it</i>)?<br>
<br>
And if it tells you <i>which</i> way to go, well that seems to completely strip most games of 99\% of what makes
them "entertainment"...  If you turn the player into a wetware interface between the compass and the controller... Wow,
what a *fun* game!  We could rename any such game "Working For Nanomanagement 3: Press These Buttons In Order When We
Tell You To".  Might as well "play" medical transcriptionist and get paid for having the same level of "fun".<br>
<br>
<br>
I think we can identify the fundamental problem here right from the name - "VIDEO game".  Let's look that word
up, shall we?  From the Latin <i>videre</i>, "<b>to see</b>" + -o (as in <i>audio</i>).  "The <b>visible</b> part
of a television transmission".  "The technology of electronically capturing, recording, processing, storing,
transmitting, and reconstructing a sequence of still <b>images</b> representing scenes in motion."<br>
<br>
I have nothing against making essential services and <i>some</i> public areas (as a hiker, I dread the day they
start installing elevators up the sides of mountains to make them ADA-compliant) accessible to the disabled.  But
when dealing with mediums that almost ubiquitously <b>require</b> a given physical ability - Such as "video games"
and "vision", which I would have thought goes without saying - I say we have to draw the line between accommodation
and absurdity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Simple .
Use audio cues instead of visual ones .
TFA mentioned an audio compass and voice-over as being examples .
An audio compass to do... what , exactly ?
Drive around a racetrack you ca n't see , in a car you ca n't see , avoiding obstacles you ca n't see ?
Navigate a 2d landscape you ca n't see to find items you ca n't see , avoid monsters you ca n't see , and reach destinations you ca n't see ( yeah , knowing you 've gone " North " does a whole lot of good when you pass one pixel from your destination but do n't know it ) ?
And if it tells you which way to go , well that seems to completely strip most games of 99 \ % of what makes them " entertainment " ... If you turn the player into a wetware interface between the compass and the controller... Wow , what a * fun * game !
We could rename any such game " Working For Nanomanagement 3 : Press These Buttons In Order When We Tell You To " .
Might as well " play " medical transcriptionist and get paid for having the same level of " fun " .
I think we can identify the fundamental problem here right from the name - " VIDEO game " .
Let 's look that word up , shall we ?
From the Latin videre , " to see " + -o ( as in audio ) .
" The visible part of a television transmission " .
" The technology of electronically capturing , recording , processing , storing , transmitting , and reconstructing a sequence of still images representing scenes in motion .
" I have nothing against making essential services and some public areas ( as a hiker , I dread the day they start installing elevators up the sides of mountains to make them ADA-compliant ) accessible to the disabled .
But when dealing with mediums that almost ubiquitously require a given physical ability - Such as " video games " and " vision " , which I would have thought goes without saying - I say we have to draw the line between accommodation and absurdity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simple.
Use audio cues instead of visual ones.
TFA mentioned an audio compass and voice-over as being examples.
An audio compass to do... what, exactly?
Drive around a racetrack you can't see, in a car you can't see, avoiding obstacles you can't see?
Navigate a 2d landscape you can't see to find items you can't see, avoid monsters you can't see, and reach
destinations you can't see (yeah, knowing you've gone "North" does a whole lot of good when
you pass one pixel from your destination but don't know it)?
And if it tells you which way to go, well that seems to completely strip most games of 99\% of what makes
them "entertainment"...  If you turn the player into a wetware interface between the compass and the controller... Wow,
what a *fun* game!
We could rename any such game "Working For Nanomanagement 3: Press These Buttons In Order When We
Tell You To".
Might as well "play" medical transcriptionist and get paid for having the same level of "fun".
I think we can identify the fundamental problem here right from the name - "VIDEO game".
Let's look that word
up, shall we?
From the Latin videre, "to see" + -o (as in audio).
"The visible part
of a television transmission".
"The technology of electronically capturing, recording, processing, storing,
transmitting, and reconstructing a sequence of still images representing scenes in motion.
"

I have nothing against making essential services and some public areas (as a hiker, I dread the day they
start installing elevators up the sides of mountains to make them ADA-compliant) accessible to the disabled.
But
when dealing with mediums that almost ubiquitously require a given physical ability - Such as "video games"
and "vision", which I would have thought goes without saying - I say we have to draw the line between accommodation
and absurdity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018452</id>
	<title>Re:Opinion from a blind guy</title>
	<author>Sowelu</author>
	<datestamp>1257604860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>As an indie developer, I have to say I'm at least a little concerned.  I think it's wonderful for games to be accessible, but the stuff I'm putting out are small genre titles targeted for a small audience, and my budget is nonexistent.  I'm worried that someone could go through my catalog of games and force me to change all of them, swamping me with work, for only a few more sales.
<br> <br>
It's easy to say that only small changes are needed, but what if I've lost the source code but I'm still selling the game?  Should the law require me to stop selling it, just because I can't change it for a small part of my audience?  Again, it's easy to say that this should only affect big publishers like Sony, but the law is never that specific.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an indie developer , I have to say I 'm at least a little concerned .
I think it 's wonderful for games to be accessible , but the stuff I 'm putting out are small genre titles targeted for a small audience , and my budget is nonexistent .
I 'm worried that someone could go through my catalog of games and force me to change all of them , swamping me with work , for only a few more sales .
It 's easy to say that only small changes are needed , but what if I 've lost the source code but I 'm still selling the game ?
Should the law require me to stop selling it , just because I ca n't change it for a small part of my audience ?
Again , it 's easy to say that this should only affect big publishers like Sony , but the law is never that specific .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an indie developer, I have to say I'm at least a little concerned.
I think it's wonderful for games to be accessible, but the stuff I'm putting out are small genre titles targeted for a small audience, and my budget is nonexistent.
I'm worried that someone could go through my catalog of games and force me to change all of them, swamping me with work, for only a few more sales.
It's easy to say that only small changes are needed, but what if I've lost the source code but I'm still selling the game?
Should the law require me to stop selling it, just because I can't change it for a small part of my audience?
Again, it's easy to say that this should only affect big publishers like Sony, but the law is never that specific.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016864</id>
	<title>brandoncole.net</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257589260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>For those of you interested, the gamer's name in the article is Brandon Cole.<br> <br>
His website is www.brandoncole.net.
His email, from the site, is brandon@brandoncole.net.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For those of you interested , the gamer 's name in the article is Brandon Cole .
His website is www.brandoncole.net .
His email , from the site , is brandon @ brandoncole.net .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those of you interested, the gamer's name in the article is Brandon Cole.
His website is www.brandoncole.net.
His email, from the site, is brandon@brandoncole.net.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016808</id>
	<title>I'm all for the rights of the disabled...</title>
	<author>Evil Shabazz</author>
	<datestamp>1257588780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>But clearly this guy is obviously just out to tell the world he's a jackass (really, he's obviously just out to make a quick buck).   I believe that if you're actually ask for a specified amount in damages, and then lose your case - you should have to pay the court an amount equal to those damages.  That would limit the number of frivolous lawsuits like this crap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But clearly this guy is obviously just out to tell the world he 's a jackass ( really , he 's obviously just out to make a quick buck ) .
I believe that if you 're actually ask for a specified amount in damages , and then lose your case - you should have to pay the court an amount equal to those damages .
That would limit the number of frivolous lawsuits like this crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But clearly this guy is obviously just out to tell the world he's a jackass (really, he's obviously just out to make a quick buck).
I believe that if you're actually ask for a specified amount in damages, and then lose your case - you should have to pay the court an amount equal to those damages.
That would limit the number of frivolous lawsuits like this crap.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019160</id>
	<title>V-I-D-E-O</title>
	<author>dindi</author>
	<datestamp>1257614580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>According to wikipedia "The term video (from Latin: "I see") commonly refers to several storage formats for moving pictures"</p><p>This - in my head (brain if I have any left) means people who can see, and not significantly visually impaired.</p><p>Sorry (and call me troll) is like someone suing Apple for the ipod to be not deaf friendly, even after several mails to make is usable for the hearing impaired.</p><p>WTF is wrong withe people..... I would kill myself if I went blind, but suing Sony for the video console not being blind friendly? That person's problem is not called "visually impaired" it is called FUCKING STUPID!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to wikipedia " The term video ( from Latin : " I see " ) commonly refers to several storage formats for moving pictures " This - in my head ( brain if I have any left ) means people who can see , and not significantly visually impaired.Sorry ( and call me troll ) is like someone suing Apple for the ipod to be not deaf friendly , even after several mails to make is usable for the hearing impaired.WTF is wrong withe people..... I would kill myself if I went blind , but suing Sony for the video console not being blind friendly ?
That person 's problem is not called " visually impaired " it is called FUCKING STUPID !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to wikipedia "The term video (from Latin: "I see") commonly refers to several storage formats for moving pictures"This - in my head (brain if I have any left) means people who can see, and not significantly visually impaired.Sorry (and call me troll) is like someone suing Apple for the ipod to be not deaf friendly, even after several mails to make is usable for the hearing impaired.WTF is wrong withe people..... I would kill myself if I went blind, but suing Sony for the video console not being blind friendly?
That person's problem is not called "visually impaired" it is called FUCKING STUPID!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30020332</id>
	<title>Apple is the best!</title>
	<author>Eset Nod32 UpdateKey</author>
	<datestamp>1257680220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017852</id>
	<title>Where is common sense when you need it?</title>
	<author>houbou</author>
	<datestamp>1257598920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Video Games are for the most part, a combination of visual animation, manual dexterity and audio cues all orchestrated and arranged in such a way to deliver a plot and purpose in order to play the game.  If I were to become blind, I would not be able to play a video <br>Now, if we could make games accessible, it would require the User Interface to be adaptable to the impaired..<br> <br>That means the following:.<br> <br>
if you can plug "video" information in the brain directly, bypassing the eyes for the blind.<br> <br>
If you can do the same for "sound" information for the deaf..<br> <br>
If you can somehow make controls "brain" operated for the manually impaired....<br> <br>.<br> <br>

We aren't quite yet there, although there are people out there trying to find ways to overcome these obstacles..<br> <br>

At the moment, with the current technology, it is simply impossible for all the games to be accessible..<br> <br>

And, I can't see why game console manufacturers as well as game designers would have to limit their designs strictly for the impaired..<br> <br>

Suing Sony for this, well, why not sue the music industry for not making their products available to the hearing impaired and the deaf?.<br> <br>

Not all people are born the same, some have limitations that others dont.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.<br> <br>

Sure, whoever can somehow come up with the technologies to bridge these limitations will certainly gain a huge market..<br> <br>
Yes, it would be great, for anyone with limitations to have new options..<br> <br>

But gaming isn't a priviliege, it's entertainment.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.<br> <br>

Access to information, I can understand, which is why I'm a strong believe in the W3C accessibility guidelines..<br> <br>

But entertainment is very subjective and the reality is, not all are born equal, that's the truth..<br> <br>

Don't go suing companies providing services that are not essential because you don't have the ability to use their products. That's just plain wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Video Games are for the most part , a combination of visual animation , manual dexterity and audio cues all orchestrated and arranged in such a way to deliver a plot and purpose in order to play the game .
If I were to become blind , I would not be able to play a video Now , if we could make games accessible , it would require the User Interface to be adaptable to the impaired.. That means the following : .
if you can plug " video " information in the brain directly , bypassing the eyes for the blind .
If you can do the same for " sound " information for the deaf. . If you can somehow make controls " brain " operated for the manually impaired.... . We are n't quite yet there , although there are people out there trying to find ways to overcome these obstacles. . At the moment , with the current technology , it is simply impossible for all the games to be accessible. . And , I ca n't see why game console manufacturers as well as game designers would have to limit their designs strictly for the impaired. . Suing Sony for this , well , why not sue the music industry for not making their products available to the hearing impaired and the deaf ? .
Not all people are born the same , some have limitations that others dont .
. Sure , whoever can somehow come up with the technologies to bridge these limitations will certainly gain a huge market. . Yes , it would be great , for anyone with limitations to have new options. . But gaming is n't a priviliege , it 's entertainment .
. Access to information , I can understand , which is why I 'm a strong believe in the W3C accessibility guidelines. . But entertainment is very subjective and the reality is , not all are born equal , that 's the truth. . Do n't go suing companies providing services that are not essential because you do n't have the ability to use their products .
That 's just plain wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Video Games are for the most part, a combination of visual animation, manual dexterity and audio cues all orchestrated and arranged in such a way to deliver a plot and purpose in order to play the game.
If I were to become blind, I would not be able to play a video Now, if we could make games accessible, it would require the User Interface to be adaptable to the impaired.. That means the following:.
if you can plug "video" information in the brain directly, bypassing the eyes for the blind.
If you can do the same for "sound" information for the deaf.. 
If you can somehow make controls "brain" operated for the manually impaired.... . 

We aren't quite yet there, although there are people out there trying to find ways to overcome these obstacles.. 

At the moment, with the current technology, it is simply impossible for all the games to be accessible.. 

And, I can't see why game console manufacturers as well as game designers would have to limit their designs strictly for the impaired.. 

Suing Sony for this, well, why not sue the music industry for not making their products available to the hearing impaired and the deaf?.
Not all people are born the same, some have limitations that others dont.
. 

Sure, whoever can somehow come up with the technologies to bridge these limitations will certainly gain a huge market.. 
Yes, it would be great, for anyone with limitations to have new options.. 

But gaming isn't a priviliege, it's entertainment.
. 

Access to information, I can understand, which is why I'm a strong believe in the W3C accessibility guidelines.. 

But entertainment is very subjective and the reality is, not all are born equal, that's the truth.. 

Don't go suing companies providing services that are not essential because you don't have the ability to use their products.
That's just plain wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016874</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>im\_thatoneguy</author>
	<datestamp>1257589380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>But what if it's as simple as running a Camera Shader which just jacks up the contrast and increases the UI contrast.   As a developer I wouldn't mind doing that.  That's a reasonable cost and expenditure to assist more customers.   Similarly I would look into creating menus which have a compatibility mode so that all text is white on black.  Again reasonably cost effective change.</p><p>Most engines already support post processing for 'film effects' etc.  This could just be another film effect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But what if it 's as simple as running a Camera Shader which just jacks up the contrast and increases the UI contrast .
As a developer I would n't mind doing that .
That 's a reasonable cost and expenditure to assist more customers .
Similarly I would look into creating menus which have a compatibility mode so that all text is white on black .
Again reasonably cost effective change.Most engines already support post processing for 'film effects ' etc .
This could just be another film effect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But what if it's as simple as running a Camera Shader which just jacks up the contrast and increases the UI contrast.
As a developer I wouldn't mind doing that.
That's a reasonable cost and expenditure to assist more customers.
Similarly I would look into creating menus which have a compatibility mode so that all text is white on black.
Again reasonably cost effective change.Most engines already support post processing for 'film effects' etc.
This could just be another film effect.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015708</id>
	<title>Warm...  Warmer...  HOT HOT HOT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257622260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First person shooter for the blind?  Maybe descriptive audio?</p><p>"Left.  Left.  Up.  Up.  Down.  Right.  Shoot.  Headshot."</p><p>That's just ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First person shooter for the blind ?
Maybe descriptive audio ? " Left .
Left. Up .
Up. Down .
Right. Shoot .
Headshot. " That 's just ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First person shooter for the blind?
Maybe descriptive audio?"Left.
Left.  Up.
Up.  Down.
Right.  Shoot.
Headshot."That's just ridiculous.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019408</id>
	<title>RIGHT ON!!! Here's a modest proposal...</title>
	<author>snowgirl</author>
	<datestamp>1257618180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm right there with you, screw all these people expecting hand outs.  If you want something done, then do it yourself.  That's the American way!!!</p><p>You know what, too? I say, let's do the same thing to abortions... why do we need all these whiney people complaining that we're killing babies?  Let's do it the right way, and if that baby doesn't want to be aborted, then they can defend themselves.  Hell, let it kind of hold up in perpetuity... if you can kill your kid, then too f-ing bad for them, maybe they should have spent less time crying for someone for protection and help, and more time defending themselves.</p><p>That's the only American way to solve the problem.  Lord knows that when I lose the use of both of my legs because my parents stabbed me in my back paralyzing me, that I will haul myself up by my own bootstraps if I have to, up the stairs of our court house to sue the f-k out of them.  HOOOOOOOWAH!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm right there with you , screw all these people expecting hand outs .
If you want something done , then do it yourself .
That 's the American way ! !
! You know what , too ?
I say , let 's do the same thing to abortions... why do we need all these whiney people complaining that we 're killing babies ?
Let 's do it the right way , and if that baby does n't want to be aborted , then they can defend themselves .
Hell , let it kind of hold up in perpetuity... if you can kill your kid , then too f-ing bad for them , maybe they should have spent less time crying for someone for protection and help , and more time defending themselves.That 's the only American way to solve the problem .
Lord knows that when I lose the use of both of my legs because my parents stabbed me in my back paralyzing me , that I will haul myself up by my own bootstraps if I have to , up the stairs of our court house to sue the f-k out of them .
HOOOOOOOWAH ! ! ! !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm right there with you, screw all these people expecting hand outs.
If you want something done, then do it yourself.
That's the American way!!
!You know what, too?
I say, let's do the same thing to abortions... why do we need all these whiney people complaining that we're killing babies?
Let's do it the right way, and if that baby doesn't want to be aborted, then they can defend themselves.
Hell, let it kind of hold up in perpetuity... if you can kill your kid, then too f-ing bad for them, maybe they should have spent less time crying for someone for protection and help, and more time defending themselves.That's the only American way to solve the problem.
Lord knows that when I lose the use of both of my legs because my parents stabbed me in my back paralyzing me, that I will haul myself up by my own bootstraps if I have to, up the stairs of our court house to sue the f-k out of them.
HOOOOOOOWAH!!!!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017208</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257592740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's no "essential service" requirement of the law.  Whether or not it applies to Sony's games is a very interesting question, but it should not be based on the necessity of the games.  For example, you can sue a theater or a restaurant because it is inaccessible, but that doesn't mean that specific venue is "essential."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no " essential service " requirement of the law .
Whether or not it applies to Sony 's games is a very interesting question , but it should not be based on the necessity of the games .
For example , you can sue a theater or a restaurant because it is inaccessible , but that does n't mean that specific venue is " essential .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no "essential service" requirement of the law.
Whether or not it applies to Sony's games is a very interesting question, but it should not be based on the necessity of the games.
For example, you can sue a theater or a restaurant because it is inaccessible, but that doesn't mean that specific venue is "essential.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015136</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015292</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257619500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, PL &gt; B Your B would be very high.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , PL &gt; B Your B would be very high .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, PL &gt; B Your B would be very high.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015094</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015394</id>
	<title>Re:I doubt it'll provide more profit for Sony</title>
	<author>Koby77</author>
	<datestamp>1257620100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sony will have to make 'reasonable accommodations' which are not an 'undue financial burden.' In my humble opinion, providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony."</p></div><p>I thought it was supposed to be a given that Sony's would introduce any feature to a game for it to make more profit without changing its business model?  Somehow, I don't think that Sony is going to profit from adding handicapped-accessible features to a game, because that seems to be the one base that Sony has covered.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony will have to make 'reasonable accommodations ' which are not an 'undue financial burden .
' In my humble opinion , providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony .
" I thought it was supposed to be a given that Sony 's would introduce any feature to a game for it to make more profit without changing its business model ?
Somehow , I do n't think that Sony is going to profit from adding handicapped-accessible features to a game , because that seems to be the one base that Sony has covered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony will have to make 'reasonable accommodations' which are not an 'undue financial burden.
' In my humble opinion, providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony.
"I thought it was supposed to be a given that Sony's would introduce any feature to a game for it to make more profit without changing its business model?
Somehow, I don't think that Sony is going to profit from adding handicapped-accessible features to a game, because that seems to be the one base that Sony has covered.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015152</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30028092</id>
	<title>You're blind !@#$\% Deal With It!!!</title>
	<author>PortHaven</author>
	<datestamp>1257695700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Frankly,</p><p>I think this guy should be slapped repeatedly. While one might not hit a man with glasses, this blind man is fair game.</p><p>I am sick of people with disabilities who have unreasonable expectations and demands. You're blind. We try to accommodate you. And we do a lot as a society. But realize you can't see and that you won't be able to participate in some activities.  LIKE DRIVING!!!!!</p><p>I hate these lawsuits because they make me hate handicapped people. But then I have to remind myself. This is not because the man is blind, but because he is STUPID!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Frankly,I think this guy should be slapped repeatedly .
While one might not hit a man with glasses , this blind man is fair game.I am sick of people with disabilities who have unreasonable expectations and demands .
You 're blind .
We try to accommodate you .
And we do a lot as a society .
But realize you ca n't see and that you wo n't be able to participate in some activities .
LIKE DRIVING ! ! ! !
! I hate these lawsuits because they make me hate handicapped people .
But then I have to remind myself .
This is not because the man is blind , but because he is STUPID ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frankly,I think this guy should be slapped repeatedly.
While one might not hit a man with glasses, this blind man is fair game.I am sick of people with disabilities who have unreasonable expectations and demands.
You're blind.
We try to accommodate you.
And we do a lot as a society.
But realize you can't see and that you won't be able to participate in some activities.
LIKE DRIVING!!!!
!I hate these lawsuits because they make me hate handicapped people.
But then I have to remind myself.
This is not because the man is blind, but because he is STUPID!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015718</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>St.Creed</author>
	<datestamp>1257622380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You misread him. He just stated that liberal opinions sound fine.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You misread him .
He just stated that liberal opinions sound fine .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You misread him.
He just stated that liberal opinions sound fine.
:)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015328</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019816</id>
	<title>Um, no.</title>
	<author>uvajed\_ekil</author>
	<datestamp>1257712860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>the Target case is completely different, and I don't think it applies here. And the Martin v. PGA case relates to employment, and appears to be completely irrelevant to video games intended for home use. Sorry, you don't have a legal right to play video games in an ideal manner. What's next, suing Ford an Toyota because their speedometers can not easily be read by the visually impaired? Suing the MPAA (not that I'm opposed to that)? I am not able to derive optimal enjoyment from most of Sony's crap, er, leisure products either, so I buy other things instead, rather than suing them to make what I want. Geepers creepers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the Target case is completely different , and I do n't think it applies here .
And the Martin v. PGA case relates to employment , and appears to be completely irrelevant to video games intended for home use .
Sorry , you do n't have a legal right to play video games in an ideal manner .
What 's next , suing Ford an Toyota because their speedometers can not easily be read by the visually impaired ?
Suing the MPAA ( not that I 'm opposed to that ) ?
I am not able to derive optimal enjoyment from most of Sony 's crap , er , leisure products either , so I buy other things instead , rather than suing them to make what I want .
Geepers creepers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the Target case is completely different, and I don't think it applies here.
And the Martin v. PGA case relates to employment, and appears to be completely irrelevant to video games intended for home use.
Sorry, you don't have a legal right to play video games in an ideal manner.
What's next, suing Ford an Toyota because their speedometers can not easily be read by the visually impaired?
Suing the MPAA (not that I'm opposed to that)?
I am not able to derive optimal enjoyment from most of Sony's crap, er, leisure products either, so I buy other things instead, rather than suing them to make what I want.
Geepers creepers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30021490</id>
	<title>No Closed Captioning on PS3</title>
	<author>kwandar</author>
	<datestamp>1257694020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wish someone would sue Sony and get them to update their firmware to allow for closed captioning of DVDs played on their PS3.  That's right, the system that "just does everything" doesn't do closed captioning.

Many/most tv shows are recorded with closed captioning on the Dvd/BlueRay and without subtitles (which do play).

This would be a far better reason to go after Sony, and probably yield a tangible result.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish someone would sue Sony and get them to update their firmware to allow for closed captioning of DVDs played on their PS3 .
That 's right , the system that " just does everything " does n't do closed captioning .
Many/most tv shows are recorded with closed captioning on the Dvd/BlueRay and without subtitles ( which do play ) .
This would be a far better reason to go after Sony , and probably yield a tangible result .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish someone would sue Sony and get them to update their firmware to allow for closed captioning of DVDs played on their PS3.
That's right, the system that "just does everything" doesn't do closed captioning.
Many/most tv shows are recorded with closed captioning on the Dvd/BlueRay and without subtitles (which do play).
This would be a far better reason to go after Sony, and probably yield a tangible result.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016154</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257625440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But the game is suppose to be a video game not an audio game, you can't sue someone that makes 5 finger gloves just because you've got 6.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But the game is suppose to be a video game not an audio game , you ca n't sue someone that makes 5 finger gloves just because you 've got 6 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the game is suppose to be a video game not an audio game, you can't sue someone that makes 5 finger gloves just because you've got 6.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015282</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015876</id>
	<title>The Rights of Women!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257623340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More disabled embryos should be aborted then we wouldn't this problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More disabled embryos should be aborted then we would n't this problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More disabled embryos should be aborted then we wouldn't this problem.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017112</id>
	<title>This is disgusting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257591660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is disgusting! Next we'll hear, someone will be forced to sue prosthetic limb companies because they discriminate against people who have all of their appendages still attached! Outrageous!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is disgusting !
Next we 'll hear , someone will be forced to sue prosthetic limb companies because they discriminate against people who have all of their appendages still attached !
Outrageous !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is disgusting!
Next we'll hear, someone will be forced to sue prosthetic limb companies because they discriminate against people who have all of their appendages still attached!
Outrageous!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018438</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257604740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016986</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30031548</id>
	<title>Re:Lets make this very clear!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257775980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the point is, you should not be able to make a living out of suing. IMO, reimbursement for legal fees and complying with the ADA (building a ramp, adding braille, etc.) ought to be about all you get. Perhaps some (no more than legal fees) cash to cover expenses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the point is , you should not be able to make a living out of suing .
IMO , reimbursement for legal fees and complying with the ADA ( building a ramp , adding braille , etc .
) ought to be about all you get .
Perhaps some ( no more than legal fees ) cash to cover expenses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the point is, you should not be able to make a living out of suing.
IMO, reimbursement for legal fees and complying with the ADA (building a ramp, adding braille, etc.
) ought to be about all you get.
Perhaps some (no more than legal fees) cash to cover expenses.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016364</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018116</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257601440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Parades are weird and so are the participants so, no. No, they are not normal parts of society (even military parades are strange).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Parades are weird and so are the participants so , no .
No , they are not normal parts of society ( even military parades are strange ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Parades are weird and so are the participants so, no.
No, they are not normal parts of society (even military parades are strange).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016986</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30040500</id>
	<title>Playing Video games</title>
	<author>Theoboley</author>
	<datestamp>1257772200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is a privilege,  Not a right.<br><br>His suit will get thrown out due to the fact of sheer stupidity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is a privilege , Not a right.His suit will get thrown out due to the fact of sheer stupidity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is a privilege,  Not a right.His suit will get thrown out due to the fact of sheer stupidity.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016088</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Kral\_Blbec</author>
	<datestamp>1257624960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Should all movies be modified so blind people can enjoy them like us bastards who can see?</p></div><p>They're called audiobooks. I think we need legislation requiring all movies to be made into audiobook format. Buwahahaa</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Should all movies be modified so blind people can enjoy them like us bastards who can see ? They 're called audiobooks .
I think we need legislation requiring all movies to be made into audiobook format .
Buwahahaa</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should all movies be modified so blind people can enjoy them like us bastards who can see?They're called audiobooks.
I think we need legislation requiring all movies to be made into audiobook format.
Buwahahaa
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015518</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016402</id>
	<title>Visually impaired != Blind</title>
	<author>Lemming Mark</author>
	<datestamp>1257584700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously guys, it's easy to go "Tut tut, blind people can't possibly play games, what an unreasonable fellow".  But the article says *visually impaired*, which does not necessarily mean total blindness.  There are phases in between where you can see the computer screen but it'd be nice if the game didn't have to make it really hard to follow what's happening.  Are there really as many people here as the posts would indicate who can't see this distinction?</p><p>Also: are you the same crowd of people who bitch at Microsoft for releasing OSes that are too bloated to run on your hardware without an upgrade.  You *can* at least upgrade your hardware!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously guys , it 's easy to go " Tut tut , blind people ca n't possibly play games , what an unreasonable fellow " .
But the article says * visually impaired * , which does not necessarily mean total blindness .
There are phases in between where you can see the computer screen but it 'd be nice if the game did n't have to make it really hard to follow what 's happening .
Are there really as many people here as the posts would indicate who ca n't see this distinction ? Also : are you the same crowd of people who bitch at Microsoft for releasing OSes that are too bloated to run on your hardware without an upgrade .
You * can * at least upgrade your hardware !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously guys, it's easy to go "Tut tut, blind people can't possibly play games, what an unreasonable fellow".
But the article says *visually impaired*, which does not necessarily mean total blindness.
There are phases in between where you can see the computer screen but it'd be nice if the game didn't have to make it really hard to follow what's happening.
Are there really as many people here as the posts would indicate who can't see this distinction?Also: are you the same crowd of people who bitch at Microsoft for releasing OSes that are too bloated to run on your hardware without an upgrade.
You *can* at least upgrade your hardware!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018538</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257605820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And cinema an TV. For not letting them enjoy the shows in its full glory.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And cinema an TV .
For not letting them enjoy the shows in its full glory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And cinema an TV.
For not letting them enjoy the shows in its full glory.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015084</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015804</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1257622860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As for your analogy, you likely (not knowing the details of your medical condition) would not be able to demonstrate that you are "disabled</p></div><p>
Oh, I'm not disabled<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I've just spent too many years driving a desk. I was just trying to point out there that are things that <i>I</i> would like to do, but that I have to accept that I can't, and that if the law is going to be involved, there had better be a good reason.
<br> <br>
I know, there's a fine line to be walked here, and no-one wants to mistreat the less fortunate. But there are always costs involved, and we all have to accept that if the law requires corporations to spend money accommodating the disabled, we are all going to pay for it in the end. I'm willing to make that trade off in most cases (especially in this one, since I'll never buy another Sony product anyway.)
<br> <br>
From a purely selfish perspective, we should also admit to ourselves that any one of us could become disabled some day. Do we really want to live in a society that will treat us poorly? I don't<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but neither would I want to become an undue burden on that society.</p></div>
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<tokenext>As for your analogy , you likely ( not knowing the details of your medical condition ) would not be able to demonstrate that you are " disabled Oh , I 'm not disabled ... I 've just spent too many years driving a desk .
I was just trying to point out there that are things that I would like to do , but that I have to accept that I ca n't , and that if the law is going to be involved , there had better be a good reason .
I know , there 's a fine line to be walked here , and no-one wants to mistreat the less fortunate .
But there are always costs involved , and we all have to accept that if the law requires corporations to spend money accommodating the disabled , we are all going to pay for it in the end .
I 'm willing to make that trade off in most cases ( especially in this one , since I 'll never buy another Sony product anyway .
) From a purely selfish perspective , we should also admit to ourselves that any one of us could become disabled some day .
Do we really want to live in a society that will treat us poorly ?
I do n't ... but neither would I want to become an undue burden on that society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As for your analogy, you likely (not knowing the details of your medical condition) would not be able to demonstrate that you are "disabled
Oh, I'm not disabled ... I've just spent too many years driving a desk.
I was just trying to point out there that are things that I would like to do, but that I have to accept that I can't, and that if the law is going to be involved, there had better be a good reason.
I know, there's a fine line to be walked here, and no-one wants to mistreat the less fortunate.
But there are always costs involved, and we all have to accept that if the law requires corporations to spend money accommodating the disabled, we are all going to pay for it in the end.
I'm willing to make that trade off in most cases (especially in this one, since I'll never buy another Sony product anyway.
)
 
From a purely selfish perspective, we should also admit to ourselves that any one of us could become disabled some day.
Do we really want to live in a society that will treat us poorly?
I don't ... but neither would I want to become an undue burden on that society.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30020190</id>
	<title>Re:I don't get it</title>
	<author>SanguineV</author>
	<datestamp>1257678120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Deaf people sue Sony for signing bands that create the hearing impaired.</p></div><p>Fixed that for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Deaf people sue Sony for signing bands that create the hearing impaired.Fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Deaf people sue Sony for signing bands that create the hearing impaired.Fixed that for you.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30020136</id>
	<title>oh hi, I'm not a genius</title>
	<author>bmecoli</author>
	<datestamp>1257676980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just can't seem to wrap my head around rocket science...<br> <br>

I think I'm going to sue NASA...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just ca n't seem to wrap my head around rocket science.. . I think I 'm going to sue NASA.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just can't seem to wrap my head around rocket science... 

I think I'm going to sue NASA...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30022084</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>deboli</author>
	<datestamp>1257698040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...There was a time in my life when I'd go rock-climbing (only a few times, but it was fun and I was in pretty good physical shape back then.) Almost thirty years later and I wouldn't even bother trying: totally out of my league now, having been at a desk job for almost that long...</p></div><p>Try it again! No matter how bad you are you can still have fun climbing. There is no need to lead a 7C to enjoy. As long as you're in a group of friends with similar interests and abilities you have fun. I'm close to 50 and I still climb regularly.</p></div>
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<tokenext>...There was a time in my life when I 'd go rock-climbing ( only a few times , but it was fun and I was in pretty good physical shape back then .
) Almost thirty years later and I would n't even bother trying : totally out of my league now , having been at a desk job for almost that long...Try it again !
No matter how bad you are you can still have fun climbing .
There is no need to lead a 7C to enjoy .
As long as you 're in a group of friends with similar interests and abilities you have fun .
I 'm close to 50 and I still climb regularly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...There was a time in my life when I'd go rock-climbing (only a few times, but it was fun and I was in pretty good physical shape back then.
) Almost thirty years later and I wouldn't even bother trying: totally out of my league now, having been at a desk job for almost that long...Try it again!
No matter how bad you are you can still have fun climbing.
There is no need to lead a 7C to enjoy.
As long as you're in a group of friends with similar interests and abilities you have fun.
I'm close to 50 and I still climb regularly.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30035848</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>DdJ</author>
	<datestamp>1257794160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'd hate to to think what this guy would do when he realizes that cameras don't pander to the visually impaired market.</p></div><p>Actually... some do.</p><p>I know a guy who happens to be blind, and also happens to go skydiving, mountain climbing, et cetera.  He takes pictures to show his friends, but often he has to ask a sighted person to help him identify which pictures are which.  So I showed him the camera I carry all the time -- it has a feature that didn't make much sense to me until I had heard how he uses cameras.</p><p>See, I can configure my camera so that when it takes a picture, it automatically records 15 seconds of audio right after the photo.  Then when you load the pictures off, the audio is attached to each picture.  So with this camera, he could snap a photo and then immediately say aloud something like "Everest, first night at the base camp", and then he could load off his photos and post them to the web without anyone's help.</p><p>So, yeah, cameras <em>are</em> pandering to the visually impaired market.  FYI.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 'd hate to to think what this guy would do when he realizes that cameras do n't pander to the visually impaired market.Actually... some do.I know a guy who happens to be blind , and also happens to go skydiving , mountain climbing , et cetera .
He takes pictures to show his friends , but often he has to ask a sighted person to help him identify which pictures are which .
So I showed him the camera I carry all the time -- it has a feature that did n't make much sense to me until I had heard how he uses cameras.See , I can configure my camera so that when it takes a picture , it automatically records 15 seconds of audio right after the photo .
Then when you load the pictures off , the audio is attached to each picture .
So with this camera , he could snap a photo and then immediately say aloud something like " Everest , first night at the base camp " , and then he could load off his photos and post them to the web without anyone 's help.So , yeah , cameras are pandering to the visually impaired market .
FYI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd hate to to think what this guy would do when he realizes that cameras don't pander to the visually impaired market.Actually... some do.I know a guy who happens to be blind, and also happens to go skydiving, mountain climbing, et cetera.
He takes pictures to show his friends, but often he has to ask a sighted person to help him identify which pictures are which.
So I showed him the camera I carry all the time -- it has a feature that didn't make much sense to me until I had heard how he uses cameras.See, I can configure my camera so that when it takes a picture, it automatically records 15 seconds of audio right after the photo.
Then when you load the pictures off, the audio is attached to each picture.
So with this camera, he could snap a photo and then immediately say aloud something like "Everest, first night at the base camp", and then he could load off his photos and post them to the web without anyone's help.So, yeah, cameras are pandering to the visually impaired market.
FYI.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019370</id>
	<title>Re:Lets make this very clear!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257617760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Americans With Disabilities Act was written so loosely that there are so many of these litigious bullshitteries going on nation wide.  It is basically a form of extortion facilitated by poorly written 'laws'.</p></div><p>Remember that the trial lawyers donate a boat load of money to the Democrats. The law was written that way on purpose.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The Americans With Disabilities Act was written so loosely that there are so many of these litigious bullshitteries going on nation wide .
It is basically a form of extortion facilitated by poorly written 'laws'.Remember that the trial lawyers donate a boat load of money to the Democrats .
The law was written that way on purpose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Americans With Disabilities Act was written so loosely that there are so many of these litigious bullshitteries going on nation wide.
It is basically a form of extortion facilitated by poorly written 'laws'.Remember that the trial lawyers donate a boat load of money to the Democrats.
The law was written that way on purpose.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015096</id>
	<title>OS-impaired</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257618360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm an operating-system-ly impaired gamer. I'm using Debian to run my computer. I demand that all Windows games be immediately released for Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm an operating-system-ly impaired gamer .
I 'm using Debian to run my computer .
I demand that all Windows games be immediately released for Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm an operating-system-ly impaired gamer.
I'm using Debian to run my computer.
I demand that all Windows games be immediately released for Linux.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30026694</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>jwhitener</author>
	<datestamp>1257685380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"That's a fine-sounding liberal opinion"</p><p>Gah, I wish people would stop trying to make everything black/white, liberal vs conservative.</p><p>So liberals are pro wheel chair ramps and conservatives are against wheel chair ramps?</p><p>While there isn't a lot of legal precedent about video games and the ADA, you should take note that a video game store itself, would, in fact, have to comply with the ADA (wheel chair ramp for example).</p><p>Any public building has to have simple things like ramps to help the disabled.  And these include buildings that are not 'essential services'.</p><p>And the quote that set you off with your "conservative tirade" (I assume I can call your post conservative right, as it was attempting to counter that "liberal post"...)</p><p>"In my humble opinion, providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony."</p><p>Is actually more right than you might imagine.  I create web applications.  I've done so for hospital chains and colleges for 10 years now.  Currently I create online registration, billing, etc.. type portals for a large community college.  30,000+ registrations per term.</p><p>When we became serious about making sure that all our applications, across the line, were fully ADA compliant, we noticed that non-disabled people had a much easier time with them also.</p><p>Fully thinking through usability , clarity, color/contrast, menu placement and other things, with the ADA in mind, has actually greatly benefited non-disable people.  We have actual data on usability tests, that proves that making our web applications ADA compliant improved usability test scores across the boards.</p><p>So I'd fully expect that if Sony invested some time and money into making sure that their products where reasonably (key word) ADA compliant, that their regular non-disabled gamers would also have a better experience.</p></div>
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<tokenext>" That 's a fine-sounding liberal opinion " Gah , I wish people would stop trying to make everything black/white , liberal vs conservative.So liberals are pro wheel chair ramps and conservatives are against wheel chair ramps ? While there is n't a lot of legal precedent about video games and the ADA , you should take note that a video game store itself , would , in fact , have to comply with the ADA ( wheel chair ramp for example ) .Any public building has to have simple things like ramps to help the disabled .
And these include buildings that are not 'essential services'.And the quote that set you off with your " conservative tirade " ( I assume I can call your post conservative right , as it was attempting to counter that " liberal post " ... ) " In my humble opinion , providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony .
" Is actually more right than you might imagine .
I create web applications .
I 've done so for hospital chains and colleges for 10 years now .
Currently I create online registration , billing , etc.. type portals for a large community college .
30,000 + registrations per term.When we became serious about making sure that all our applications , across the line , were fully ADA compliant , we noticed that non-disabled people had a much easier time with them also.Fully thinking through usability , clarity , color/contrast , menu placement and other things , with the ADA in mind , has actually greatly benefited non-disable people .
We have actual data on usability tests , that proves that making our web applications ADA compliant improved usability test scores across the boards.So I 'd fully expect that if Sony invested some time and money into making sure that their products where reasonably ( key word ) ADA compliant , that their regular non-disabled gamers would also have a better experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"That's a fine-sounding liberal opinion"Gah, I wish people would stop trying to make everything black/white, liberal vs conservative.So liberals are pro wheel chair ramps and conservatives are against wheel chair ramps?While there isn't a lot of legal precedent about video games and the ADA, you should take note that a video game store itself, would, in fact, have to comply with the ADA (wheel chair ramp for example).Any public building has to have simple things like ramps to help the disabled.
And these include buildings that are not 'essential services'.And the quote that set you off with your "conservative tirade" (I assume I can call your post conservative right, as it was attempting to counter that "liberal post"...)"In my humble opinion, providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony.
"Is actually more right than you might imagine.
I create web applications.
I've done so for hospital chains and colleges for 10 years now.
Currently I create online registration, billing, etc.. type portals for a large community college.
30,000+ registrations per term.When we became serious about making sure that all our applications, across the line, were fully ADA compliant, we noticed that non-disabled people had a much easier time with them also.Fully thinking through usability , clarity, color/contrast, menu placement and other things, with the ADA in mind, has actually greatly benefited non-disable people.
We have actual data on usability tests, that proves that making our web applications ADA compliant improved usability test scores across the boards.So I'd fully expect that if Sony invested some time and money into making sure that their products where reasonably (key word) ADA compliant, that their regular non-disabled gamers would also have a better experience.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016026</id>
	<title>Re:Lets make this very clear!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257624360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF are they doing not making a hazelnut cup?  It would be delicious!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF are they doing not making a hazelnut cup ?
It would be delicious !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF are they doing not making a hazelnut cup?
It would be delicious!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018458</id>
	<title>Fuck your humble opinion.</title>
	<author>binary paladin</author>
	<datestamp>1257604920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The right thing to do?</p><p>Here's the bitter pill of reality: when you're a gimp or a cripple (go ahead, mod me down for being not PC, don't care) there are certain things you're not going to be able to do or enjoy. No amount of bastardizing the language, feel good TV shows or legislation is going to change the fact that VIDEO games (much like pretty much everything else that is VIDEO) aren't going to be accessible to people lacking the sense that allows them to SEE.</p><p>Get over it. Just... gahhhhh.</p><p>The right thing to do... according to who? And the jackasses around here say creationists ignore reality. You think fucking dolts yourself are any better? You're just a different flavor of stupid and annoying. I hope this fucking bonehead has to pay Sony's attorney's fees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The right thing to do ? Here 's the bitter pill of reality : when you 're a gimp or a cripple ( go ahead , mod me down for being not PC , do n't care ) there are certain things you 're not going to be able to do or enjoy .
No amount of bastardizing the language , feel good TV shows or legislation is going to change the fact that VIDEO games ( much like pretty much everything else that is VIDEO ) are n't going to be accessible to people lacking the sense that allows them to SEE.Get over it .
Just... gahhhhh.The right thing to do... according to who ?
And the jackasses around here say creationists ignore reality .
You think fucking dolts yourself are any better ?
You 're just a different flavor of stupid and annoying .
I hope this fucking bonehead has to pay Sony 's attorney 's fees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The right thing to do?Here's the bitter pill of reality: when you're a gimp or a cripple (go ahead, mod me down for being not PC, don't care) there are certain things you're not going to be able to do or enjoy.
No amount of bastardizing the language, feel good TV shows or legislation is going to change the fact that VIDEO games (much like pretty much everything else that is VIDEO) aren't going to be accessible to people lacking the sense that allows them to SEE.Get over it.
Just... gahhhhh.The right thing to do... according to who?
And the jackasses around here say creationists ignore reality.
You think fucking dolts yourself are any better?
You're just a different flavor of stupid and annoying.
I hope this fucking bonehead has to pay Sony's attorney's fees.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018772</id>
	<title>NO GAEMS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257609540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hahaha, everybody knows the PlayStation 3 has no games.  If this idiot weren't so blind, he'd know this already.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hahaha , everybody knows the PlayStation 3 has no games .
If this idiot were n't so blind , he 'd know this already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hahaha, everybody knows the PlayStation 3 has no games.
If this idiot weren't so blind, he'd know this already.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015092</id>
	<title>Great</title>
	<author>Das Auge</author>
	<datestamp>1257618360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Next he can sue auto manufacturers for not making cars accessible to the blind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Next he can sue auto manufacturers for not making cars accessible to the blind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next he can sue auto manufacturers for not making cars accessible to the blind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017916</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257599520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Look, sometimes we can't do fun things that we'd like to do, but it doesn't mean we should start hiring lawyers. There was a time in my life when I'd go rock-climbing (only a few times, but it was fun and I was in pretty good physical shape back then.) Almost thirty years later and I wouldn't even bother trying: totally out of my league now, having been at a desk job for almost that long. So, that being the case, should I start complaining that rock faces should be made "accessible" to me in my "impaired" condition?</p></div><p>Perhaps you should complain that your job spoiled your fun. After all, you had to work otherwise you might as well be dead in our little society.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Look , sometimes we ca n't do fun things that we 'd like to do , but it does n't mean we should start hiring lawyers .
There was a time in my life when I 'd go rock-climbing ( only a few times , but it was fun and I was in pretty good physical shape back then .
) Almost thirty years later and I would n't even bother trying : totally out of my league now , having been at a desk job for almost that long .
So , that being the case , should I start complaining that rock faces should be made " accessible " to me in my " impaired " condition ? Perhaps you should complain that your job spoiled your fun .
After all , you had to work otherwise you might as well be dead in our little society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, sometimes we can't do fun things that we'd like to do, but it doesn't mean we should start hiring lawyers.
There was a time in my life when I'd go rock-climbing (only a few times, but it was fun and I was in pretty good physical shape back then.
) Almost thirty years later and I wouldn't even bother trying: totally out of my league now, having been at a desk job for almost that long.
So, that being the case, should I start complaining that rock faces should be made "accessible" to me in my "impaired" condition?Perhaps you should complain that your job spoiled your fun.
After all, you had to work otherwise you might as well be dead in our little society.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016764</id>
	<title>Re:OS-impaired</title>
	<author>lannocc</author>
	<datestamp>1257588360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>you offend Debian!</htmltext>
<tokenext>you offend Debian !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you offend Debian!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015460</id>
	<title>How much of this is customer service?</title>
	<author>Lemming Mark</author>
	<datestamp>1257620640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many large organizations today seem to use their customer-facing staff solely as a means for getting rid of people who phone up to complain, or to request things or make enquiries.  This isn't necessarily the fault of the staff in question, or the intention of the organization.  Yet somehow things get structured so that it becomes the function of the support staff.  For instance, I suspect that under-staffing the help desk or measuring performance by calls "resolved" as opposed to customers satisfied tends to push things towards a "When customers call, make them go away, otherwise they're stopping us talking to our customers" mode of operation.</p><p>The other problem is that it's pretty easy in a large organization (or even a small, highly bureaucratic one) to get into situations where large swathes of problems are "somebody else's responsibility", or likely "nobody in particular".  Much as I dislike the idea of a work environment where inappropriate work is dumped on people, or staff are lumped with resolving things they're not responsible for, at the end of the day the buck ought to stop *somewhere*, even if it's just a customer service supervisor writing back.  If a customer has a real and legitimate question to which there is *an* answer but there's *nobody* in the organization whose job description allows or requires them to answer it, you're doing something wrong.  It's not possible to satisfy all people all of the time but I think most organizations can do a heck of a lot better than they do!</p><p>In this instance, the allegation is that Sony ignored requests made of them.  Did they ignore them outright, did they fob off the (potential?) customer, or did they make the effort to respond but the gamer didn't like the answer anyhow?  Sony may have done everything as well as they possibly could in this case but they should nonetheless evaluate whether engaging more with the gamer in question could have saved them a court case.</p><p>Some of the claims in the case could seem a bit dubious but as the article points out, various other companies have at least allowed 3rd parties to develop plugins that assist disabled gamers.  So it's not like anybody's saying Sony must develop (for instance) a braille interface to WoW on their own budget.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many large organizations today seem to use their customer-facing staff solely as a means for getting rid of people who phone up to complain , or to request things or make enquiries .
This is n't necessarily the fault of the staff in question , or the intention of the organization .
Yet somehow things get structured so that it becomes the function of the support staff .
For instance , I suspect that under-staffing the help desk or measuring performance by calls " resolved " as opposed to customers satisfied tends to push things towards a " When customers call , make them go away , otherwise they 're stopping us talking to our customers " mode of operation.The other problem is that it 's pretty easy in a large organization ( or even a small , highly bureaucratic one ) to get into situations where large swathes of problems are " somebody else 's responsibility " , or likely " nobody in particular " .
Much as I dislike the idea of a work environment where inappropriate work is dumped on people , or staff are lumped with resolving things they 're not responsible for , at the end of the day the buck ought to stop * somewhere * , even if it 's just a customer service supervisor writing back .
If a customer has a real and legitimate question to which there is * an * answer but there 's * nobody * in the organization whose job description allows or requires them to answer it , you 're doing something wrong .
It 's not possible to satisfy all people all of the time but I think most organizations can do a heck of a lot better than they do ! In this instance , the allegation is that Sony ignored requests made of them .
Did they ignore them outright , did they fob off the ( potential ?
) customer , or did they make the effort to respond but the gamer did n't like the answer anyhow ?
Sony may have done everything as well as they possibly could in this case but they should nonetheless evaluate whether engaging more with the gamer in question could have saved them a court case.Some of the claims in the case could seem a bit dubious but as the article points out , various other companies have at least allowed 3rd parties to develop plugins that assist disabled gamers .
So it 's not like anybody 's saying Sony must develop ( for instance ) a braille interface to WoW on their own budget .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many large organizations today seem to use their customer-facing staff solely as a means for getting rid of people who phone up to complain, or to request things or make enquiries.
This isn't necessarily the fault of the staff in question, or the intention of the organization.
Yet somehow things get structured so that it becomes the function of the support staff.
For instance, I suspect that under-staffing the help desk or measuring performance by calls "resolved" as opposed to customers satisfied tends to push things towards a "When customers call, make them go away, otherwise they're stopping us talking to our customers" mode of operation.The other problem is that it's pretty easy in a large organization (or even a small, highly bureaucratic one) to get into situations where large swathes of problems are "somebody else's responsibility", or likely "nobody in particular".
Much as I dislike the idea of a work environment where inappropriate work is dumped on people, or staff are lumped with resolving things they're not responsible for, at the end of the day the buck ought to stop *somewhere*, even if it's just a customer service supervisor writing back.
If a customer has a real and legitimate question to which there is *an* answer but there's *nobody* in the organization whose job description allows or requires them to answer it, you're doing something wrong.
It's not possible to satisfy all people all of the time but I think most organizations can do a heck of a lot better than they do!In this instance, the allegation is that Sony ignored requests made of them.
Did they ignore them outright, did they fob off the (potential?
) customer, or did they make the effort to respond but the gamer didn't like the answer anyhow?
Sony may have done everything as well as they possibly could in this case but they should nonetheless evaluate whether engaging more with the gamer in question could have saved them a court case.Some of the claims in the case could seem a bit dubious but as the article points out, various other companies have at least allowed 3rd parties to develop plugins that assist disabled gamers.
So it's not like anybody's saying Sony must develop (for instance) a braille interface to WoW on their own budget.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30022036</id>
	<title>Nah, Sony can make it look the same for everyone!</title>
	<author>BgJonson79</author>
	<datestamp>1257697800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They'll just pain the whole screen black.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'll just pain the whole screen black .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'll just pain the whole screen black.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30042852</id>
	<title>Re:Opinion from a blind guy</title>
	<author>MBraynard</author>
	<datestamp>1257795600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I quiet disagree. He shouldn't win if the law wasn't written to allow him win. The ADA applies to physical places / public accommodations - not products. Interpreting it this way could lead to the requirement that all books are printed both in ink and in braille. <p>BTW - I'm really impressed with your Youtube videos and have shared them on my facebook page. LDS is lucky to have you in their ranks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I quiet disagree .
He should n't win if the law was n't written to allow him win .
The ADA applies to physical places / public accommodations - not products .
Interpreting it this way could lead to the requirement that all books are printed both in ink and in braille .
BTW - I 'm really impressed with your Youtube videos and have shared them on my facebook page .
LDS is lucky to have you in their ranks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I quiet disagree.
He shouldn't win if the law wasn't written to allow him win.
The ADA applies to physical places / public accommodations - not products.
Interpreting it this way could lead to the requirement that all books are printed both in ink and in braille.
BTW - I'm really impressed with your Youtube videos and have shared them on my facebook page.
LDS is lucky to have you in their ranks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019236</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>herojig</author>
	<datestamp>1257615780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's worse then that. For people with Exotropia (I for one) they won't be able to see the new 3D format coming out in theaters everywhere. There should perhaps be a warning about this at the ticket counter. But a legal case? That would be stupid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's worse then that .
For people with Exotropia ( I for one ) they wo n't be able to see the new 3D format coming out in theaters everywhere .
There should perhaps be a warning about this at the ticket counter .
But a legal case ?
That would be stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's worse then that.
For people with Exotropia (I for one) they won't be able to see the new 3D format coming out in theaters everywhere.
There should perhaps be a warning about this at the ticket counter.
But a legal case?
That would be stupid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30023214</id>
	<title>Not entirely unreasonable</title>
	<author>robson</author>
	<datestamp>1257704880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>After reading TFA:<br>
<br>
*It seems mostly focused on MMOs, but doesn't name any specific games.<br>
<br>
*"Visually impaired" is not a euphemism for "blind" here - he literally means "people who can see, but not well". So much of the backlash is misguided ("Blind people are suing to play video games? LOLWUT? Next they'll want to drive???!!!?")<br>
<br>
*His list of things that would make a difference are reasonable - high-contrast display modes, audio navigation cues, audio descriptions of items, and the like.<br>
<br>
*HOWEVER... he then proceeds to state that Sony's causing him to LOSE MONEY because he could be selling his in-game items for real-world cash. Ugh.<br>
<br>
So this thing isn't entirely over-the-top, but it definitely falls apart when he argues monetary loss.</htmltext>
<tokenext>After reading TFA : * It seems mostly focused on MMOs , but does n't name any specific games .
* " Visually impaired " is not a euphemism for " blind " here - he literally means " people who can see , but not well " .
So much of the backlash is misguided ( " Blind people are suing to play video games ?
LOLWUT ? Next they 'll want to drive ? ? ? ! ! ! ?
" ) * His list of things that would make a difference are reasonable - high-contrast display modes , audio navigation cues , audio descriptions of items , and the like .
* HOWEVER... he then proceeds to state that Sony 's causing him to LOSE MONEY because he could be selling his in-game items for real-world cash .
Ugh . So this thing is n't entirely over-the-top , but it definitely falls apart when he argues monetary loss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After reading TFA:

*It seems mostly focused on MMOs, but doesn't name any specific games.
*"Visually impaired" is not a euphemism for "blind" here - he literally means "people who can see, but not well".
So much of the backlash is misguided ("Blind people are suing to play video games?
LOLWUT? Next they'll want to drive???!!!?
")

*His list of things that would make a difference are reasonable - high-contrast display modes, audio navigation cues, audio descriptions of items, and the like.
*HOWEVER... he then proceeds to state that Sony's causing him to LOSE MONEY because he could be selling his in-game items for real-world cash.
Ugh.

So this thing isn't entirely over-the-top, but it definitely falls apart when he argues monetary loss.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017778</id>
	<title>heck</title>
	<author>Nekomusume</author>
	<datestamp>1257598380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As somebody who can see just fine, I want all videogames to come with subtitles... so that I never have to listen to any godawful american dubbing of otherwise awesome japanese games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As somebody who can see just fine , I want all videogames to come with subtitles... so that I never have to listen to any godawful american dubbing of otherwise awesome japanese games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As somebody who can see just fine, I want all videogames to come with subtitles... so that I never have to listen to any godawful american dubbing of otherwise awesome japanese games.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015484</id>
	<title>Repeal the ADA...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257620760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This act has been a complete sham since its adoption and is a permanent backdoor to special treament for anyone who can hire a doctor to say they are disabled.</p><p>Time to end these government-sponsored special privileges.  We tried it, its bogus, scrap it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This act has been a complete sham since its adoption and is a permanent backdoor to special treament for anyone who can hire a doctor to say they are disabled.Time to end these government-sponsored special privileges .
We tried it , its bogus , scrap it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This act has been a complete sham since its adoption and is a permanent backdoor to special treament for anyone who can hire a doctor to say they are disabled.Time to end these government-sponsored special privileges.
We tried it, its bogus, scrap it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30027690</id>
	<title>Ridiculous.</title>
	<author>chr1z</author>
	<datestamp>1257692160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's as though he refuses to accept the fact that he is blind. It sucks, but you have to accept that you can't do EVERYTHING. Why the hell would a blind person want to play a video game anyway? What do they get from it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's as though he refuses to accept the fact that he is blind .
It sucks , but you have to accept that you ca n't do EVERYTHING .
Why the hell would a blind person want to play a video game anyway ?
What do they get from it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's as though he refuses to accept the fact that he is blind.
It sucks, but you have to accept that you can't do EVERYTHING.
Why the hell would a blind person want to play a video game anyway?
What do they get from it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30075070</id>
	<title>PC?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258050480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Political Correctiveness is ruining the world...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Political Correctiveness is ruining the world.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Political Correctiveness is ruining the world...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015848</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>loki.TJ</author>
	<datestamp>1257623220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm colorblind.  I'm was EQII (Sony) player.  I can tell you that it's extremely annoying that the only indication that a mob is aggressive is a 1px red (#FF0000) outline on the mob's name.<br> <br>

Guess what.  I use this ideology called "adapt and overcome".  I'm glad that people/companies don't pander to my "disability".  Do I wish games/websites/stores/life would give me the option of using a neon blue 1px outline on aggressive mobs (both in games and at the local mall)?  Sure I do, but they don't, so I figure out tricks to overcome it.<br> <br>

Don't believe I'm colorblind.  Google "colorblind developer".  You'll see my site, it's number 1 on google for that term.<br> <br>

I hope this lawsuit fails.  Games and their developers shouldn't be forced to develop games that everyone can play.  Businesses/offices that are essential for living (DMV, grocery stores, hospitals) should have to accomidate handicapped people, but not games.  I was in a wheelchair for the last semester of college and learned how amazingly difficult it is to get around in a wheelchair first hand.  I will never look at a building the same way.<br> <br>

If a company doesn't consult with disabled people when developing their game/website, then those disabled people should use their money's talking power and go elsewhere.  If 10\% of the US players of EQII (the percentage of colorblind males in the US) quit playing EQII because of the aggro mob issue, Sony would probably take note.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm colorblind .
I 'm was EQII ( Sony ) player .
I can tell you that it 's extremely annoying that the only indication that a mob is aggressive is a 1px red ( # FF0000 ) outline on the mob 's name .
Guess what .
I use this ideology called " adapt and overcome " .
I 'm glad that people/companies do n't pander to my " disability " .
Do I wish games/websites/stores/life would give me the option of using a neon blue 1px outline on aggressive mobs ( both in games and at the local mall ) ?
Sure I do , but they do n't , so I figure out tricks to overcome it .
Do n't believe I 'm colorblind .
Google " colorblind developer " .
You 'll see my site , it 's number 1 on google for that term .
I hope this lawsuit fails .
Games and their developers should n't be forced to develop games that everyone can play .
Businesses/offices that are essential for living ( DMV , grocery stores , hospitals ) should have to accomidate handicapped people , but not games .
I was in a wheelchair for the last semester of college and learned how amazingly difficult it is to get around in a wheelchair first hand .
I will never look at a building the same way .
If a company does n't consult with disabled people when developing their game/website , then those disabled people should use their money 's talking power and go elsewhere .
If 10 \ % of the US players of EQII ( the percentage of colorblind males in the US ) quit playing EQII because of the aggro mob issue , Sony would probably take note .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm colorblind.
I'm was EQII (Sony) player.
I can tell you that it's extremely annoying that the only indication that a mob is aggressive is a 1px red (#FF0000) outline on the mob's name.
Guess what.
I use this ideology called "adapt and overcome".
I'm glad that people/companies don't pander to my "disability".
Do I wish games/websites/stores/life would give me the option of using a neon blue 1px outline on aggressive mobs (both in games and at the local mall)?
Sure I do, but they don't, so I figure out tricks to overcome it.
Don't believe I'm colorblind.
Google "colorblind developer".
You'll see my site, it's number 1 on google for that term.
I hope this lawsuit fails.
Games and their developers shouldn't be forced to develop games that everyone can play.
Businesses/offices that are essential for living (DMV, grocery stores, hospitals) should have to accomidate handicapped people, but not games.
I was in a wheelchair for the last semester of college and learned how amazingly difficult it is to get around in a wheelchair first hand.
I will never look at a building the same way.
If a company doesn't consult with disabled people when developing their game/website, then those disabled people should use their money's talking power and go elsewhere.
If 10\% of the US players of EQII (the percentage of colorblind males in the US) quit playing EQII because of the aggro mob issue, Sony would probably take note.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018158</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1257601800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lets wait until the case is decided on before we get all worked up about it. Remember you can sue anyone for anything, but winning is another story.</p><p>Common sense may prevail here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets wait until the case is decided on before we get all worked up about it .
Remember you can sue anyone for anything , but winning is another story.Common sense may prevail here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets wait until the case is decided on before we get all worked up about it.
Remember you can sue anyone for anything, but winning is another story.Common sense may prevail here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016626</id>
	<title>Re:Opinion from a blind guy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257587100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Video games. Key word, video.</p><p>"Video is the technology of electronically capturing, recording, processing, storing, transmitting, and reconstructing a sequence of still images representing scenes in motion."</p><p>Video games are designed to be used by those that can see. I'm sure there is a form of electronic entertainment that could be enjoyed by the blind to a full and worthwhile extent. They would be audio games, or some other form of games, but not video games. Video games, by their very nature, by their very existence, are generally incompatible with the blind. There are other options that could be created and a entrepreneur could probably capitalize on them,  but it's not Sony's fault they entered an industry that doesn't exactly support that disability. Is the automotive industry expected to make cars the blind can drive? No? Same principle, if not a different level of safety involved.</p><p>This law seems to be aimed at making sure people who can't see can access and enjoy things that vision isn't required for. You don't need to see to eat, as such any place that can serve food should be able to accommodate the blind. Concerts, sports games, offices, services, all sorts of aspects of life should be accessible. Not video games. Sorry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Video games .
Key word , video .
" Video is the technology of electronically capturing , recording , processing , storing , transmitting , and reconstructing a sequence of still images representing scenes in motion .
" Video games are designed to be used by those that can see .
I 'm sure there is a form of electronic entertainment that could be enjoyed by the blind to a full and worthwhile extent .
They would be audio games , or some other form of games , but not video games .
Video games , by their very nature , by their very existence , are generally incompatible with the blind .
There are other options that could be created and a entrepreneur could probably capitalize on them , but it 's not Sony 's fault they entered an industry that does n't exactly support that disability .
Is the automotive industry expected to make cars the blind can drive ?
No ? Same principle , if not a different level of safety involved.This law seems to be aimed at making sure people who ca n't see can access and enjoy things that vision is n't required for .
You do n't need to see to eat , as such any place that can serve food should be able to accommodate the blind .
Concerts , sports games , offices , services , all sorts of aspects of life should be accessible .
Not video games .
Sorry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Video games.
Key word, video.
"Video is the technology of electronically capturing, recording, processing, storing, transmitting, and reconstructing a sequence of still images representing scenes in motion.
"Video games are designed to be used by those that can see.
I'm sure there is a form of electronic entertainment that could be enjoyed by the blind to a full and worthwhile extent.
They would be audio games, or some other form of games, but not video games.
Video games, by their very nature, by their very existence, are generally incompatible with the blind.
There are other options that could be created and a entrepreneur could probably capitalize on them,  but it's not Sony's fault they entered an industry that doesn't exactly support that disability.
Is the automotive industry expected to make cars the blind can drive?
No? Same principle, if not a different level of safety involved.This law seems to be aimed at making sure people who can't see can access and enjoy things that vision isn't required for.
You don't need to see to eat, as such any place that can serve food should be able to accommodate the blind.
Concerts, sports games, offices, services, all sorts of aspects of life should be accessible.
Not video games.
Sorry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015516</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257621000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, blind people are generally inferior according to a number of peer viewed <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUB-4JKvQIA&amp;feature=related" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">studies</a> [youtube.com].</p><p>In FPS games they can be a real pain in the ass, usually ending up shooting you in the back.<br>On several occasions, back in the days, I've met blind WOW players running cluelessly around Dun Morogh, seemingly unable to locate the exit points.</p><p>The problem isn't that they are blind but that they just can't behave like normal people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , blind people are generally inferior according to a number of peer viewed studies [ youtube.com ] .In FPS games they can be a real pain in the ass , usually ending up shooting you in the back.On several occasions , back in the days , I 've met blind WOW players running cluelessly around Dun Morogh , seemingly unable to locate the exit points.The problem is n't that they are blind but that they just ca n't behave like normal people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, blind people are generally inferior according to a number of peer viewed studies [youtube.com].In FPS games they can be a real pain in the ass, usually ending up shooting you in the back.On several occasions, back in the days, I've met blind WOW players running cluelessly around Dun Morogh, seemingly unable to locate the exit points.The problem isn't that they are blind but that they just can't behave like normal people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019346</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257617400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice straw man. Returned veterans have parades to honour their experience, marching bands are trying to show off their skills and agricultural fairs are promoting the hard work to produce their crops.</p><p>We however don't typically have parades for genetic based parts of humanity. Unless you can't point out blond parades or strawberry lovers' parades then that isn't a normal part of society. I know those examples are a bit ridiculous, but the point remains. Normal parts of society have parades to celebrate important events and hard work people have done not for things determined by genetics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice straw man .
Returned veterans have parades to honour their experience , marching bands are trying to show off their skills and agricultural fairs are promoting the hard work to produce their crops.We however do n't typically have parades for genetic based parts of humanity .
Unless you ca n't point out blond parades or strawberry lovers ' parades then that is n't a normal part of society .
I know those examples are a bit ridiculous , but the point remains .
Normal parts of society have parades to celebrate important events and hard work people have done not for things determined by genetics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice straw man.
Returned veterans have parades to honour their experience, marching bands are trying to show off their skills and agricultural fairs are promoting the hard work to produce their crops.We however don't typically have parades for genetic based parts of humanity.
Unless you can't point out blond parades or strawberry lovers' parades then that isn't a normal part of society.
I know those examples are a bit ridiculous, but the point remains.
Normal parts of society have parades to celebrate important events and hard work people have done not for things determined by genetics.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018168</id>
	<title>Re:Opinion from a blind guy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257601920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Small feature" or not, I don't give a flying fuck if you are blind, but as soon as you type of people start using the government and the courts to infringe on MY RIGHTS then you can go right off and fuck yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Small feature " or not , I do n't give a flying fuck if you are blind , but as soon as you type of people start using the government and the courts to infringe on MY RIGHTS then you can go right off and fuck yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Small feature" or not, I don't give a flying fuck if you are blind, but as soon as you type of people start using the government and the courts to infringe on MY RIGHTS then you can go right off and fuck yourself.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015224</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257619020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amusement parks are "entertainment, no more," and they're governed by the ADA as well.</p><p>As for your analogy, you likely (not knowing the details of your medical condition) would not be able to demonstrate that you are "disabled," within the statutory meaning - you have to have a significant impairment in a major life activity, which is a high standard to meet. Even if you could demonstrate that you were disabled, you would then have to show that there were "reasonable" accommodations they could make, which means imposing too much of a cost on the business to make the accommodation is right out. Since you have to be significantly disabled to be entitled to "reasonable accommodations," in many circumstances the accommodation for the disability would be considered unreasonable.</p><p>Unfortunately, the ADA largely ends up only protecting a small cross-section of the disabled from businesses that are making poor decisions in *not* accommodating disabilities. Whether or not this case against SOE falls into that category is something that remains to be seen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amusement parks are " entertainment , no more , " and they 're governed by the ADA as well.As for your analogy , you likely ( not knowing the details of your medical condition ) would not be able to demonstrate that you are " disabled , " within the statutory meaning - you have to have a significant impairment in a major life activity , which is a high standard to meet .
Even if you could demonstrate that you were disabled , you would then have to show that there were " reasonable " accommodations they could make , which means imposing too much of a cost on the business to make the accommodation is right out .
Since you have to be significantly disabled to be entitled to " reasonable accommodations , " in many circumstances the accommodation for the disability would be considered unreasonable.Unfortunately , the ADA largely ends up only protecting a small cross-section of the disabled from businesses that are making poor decisions in * not * accommodating disabilities .
Whether or not this case against SOE falls into that category is something that remains to be seen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amusement parks are "entertainment, no more," and they're governed by the ADA as well.As for your analogy, you likely (not knowing the details of your medical condition) would not be able to demonstrate that you are "disabled," within the statutory meaning - you have to have a significant impairment in a major life activity, which is a high standard to meet.
Even if you could demonstrate that you were disabled, you would then have to show that there were "reasonable" accommodations they could make, which means imposing too much of a cost on the business to make the accommodation is right out.
Since you have to be significantly disabled to be entitled to "reasonable accommodations," in many circumstances the accommodation for the disability would be considered unreasonable.Unfortunately, the ADA largely ends up only protecting a small cross-section of the disabled from businesses that are making poor decisions in *not* accommodating disabilities.
Whether or not this case against SOE falls into that category is something that remains to be seen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015674</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1257622140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There's a lot more merit to this case than you're giving it credit for.</p></div><p>Sure. But that's not really the issue. This is more a question of legitimate (or otherwise) use of government authority: <i>is</i> this a case worthy of the Feds forcing compliance, or should it be reserved for more important problems. Doesn't matter what you and I think anyway<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the courts will sort it out one way or the other.
<br> <br>
As someone who used to be a game developer, supporting a color blind player is not as "dead simple" to fix as you think. It's not just a matter of turning down chrominance and making everything gray scale. If it were that easy, just tell the player to turn down the color on his monitor. Problem solved!
<br> <br>
Requiring a game publisher to make a major change to an existing application is probably unreasonable. For future products, maybe not. It wouldn't necessarily be a huge factor if it's accounted for up front.</p></div>
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<tokenext>There 's a lot more merit to this case than you 're giving it credit for.Sure .
But that 's not really the issue .
This is more a question of legitimate ( or otherwise ) use of government authority : is this a case worthy of the Feds forcing compliance , or should it be reserved for more important problems .
Does n't matter what you and I think anyway ... the courts will sort it out one way or the other .
As someone who used to be a game developer , supporting a color blind player is not as " dead simple " to fix as you think .
It 's not just a matter of turning down chrominance and making everything gray scale .
If it were that easy , just tell the player to turn down the color on his monitor .
Problem solved !
Requiring a game publisher to make a major change to an existing application is probably unreasonable .
For future products , maybe not .
It would n't necessarily be a huge factor if it 's accounted for up front .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a lot more merit to this case than you're giving it credit for.Sure.
But that's not really the issue.
This is more a question of legitimate (or otherwise) use of government authority: is this a case worthy of the Feds forcing compliance, or should it be reserved for more important problems.
Doesn't matter what you and I think anyway ... the courts will sort it out one way or the other.
As someone who used to be a game developer, supporting a color blind player is not as "dead simple" to fix as you think.
It's not just a matter of turning down chrominance and making everything gray scale.
If it were that easy, just tell the player to turn down the color on his monitor.
Problem solved!
Requiring a game publisher to make a major change to an existing application is probably unreasonable.
For future products, maybe not.
It wouldn't necessarily be a huge factor if it's accounted for up front.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015582</id>
	<title>What is he asking them to do?</title>
	<author>patrickthbold</author>
	<datestamp>1257621540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He gave them a list of suggestions, if they are reasonable then maybe they need to comply.  They point is companies should make a reasonable effort to make thier products accessable to the handicapped.  I'm not sure of the law but in principle it is the right thing to do.  Of course if what he's asking is very difficult then it makes sense for Sony to say "We can't do that".

This is very different then him just suing because he can't do something.  People above talked about camera's, driving, rock climbing.  Imagine if he came up with a practical way for a blind person to drive safely and he suggested it and the car companies refused.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He gave them a list of suggestions , if they are reasonable then maybe they need to comply .
They point is companies should make a reasonable effort to make thier products accessable to the handicapped .
I 'm not sure of the law but in principle it is the right thing to do .
Of course if what he 's asking is very difficult then it makes sense for Sony to say " We ca n't do that " .
This is very different then him just suing because he ca n't do something .
People above talked about camera 's , driving , rock climbing .
Imagine if he came up with a practical way for a blind person to drive safely and he suggested it and the car companies refused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He gave them a list of suggestions, if they are reasonable then maybe they need to comply.
They point is companies should make a reasonable effort to make thier products accessable to the handicapped.
I'm not sure of the law but in principle it is the right thing to do.
Of course if what he's asking is very difficult then it makes sense for Sony to say "We can't do that".
This is very different then him just suing because he can't do something.
People above talked about camera's, driving, rock climbing.
Imagine if he came up with a practical way for a blind person to drive safely and he suggested it and the car companies refused.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015992</id>
	<title>pr0n?</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1257624180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So if I poke my eyes out, the porn companies have to deliver the actual porn star to my door? Where's my pen!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So if I poke my eyes out , the porn companies have to deliver the actual porn star to my door ?
Where 's my pen !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if I poke my eyes out, the porn companies have to deliver the actual porn star to my door?
Where's my pen!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30020186</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>wagnerrp</author>
	<datestamp>1257678000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Brandon likely is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legally\_blind#Legal\_blindness" title="wikipedia.org">legally blind</a> [wikipedia.org] and not actually Helen Keller style blind. I have several friends who are legally blind without glasses or contacts, so the threshold is quite a bit higher than you might be thinking.</p></div><p>Obviously you didn't even read your own article.  'Legally blind' means that with the best possible correction, you are still below 20/200 vision.  You will never be able to read the big 'E' on the eye chart regardless of what glasses or contacts you put on.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Brandon likely is legally blind [ wikipedia.org ] and not actually Helen Keller style blind .
I have several friends who are legally blind without glasses or contacts , so the threshold is quite a bit higher than you might be thinking.Obviously you did n't even read your own article .
'Legally blind ' means that with the best possible correction , you are still below 20/200 vision .
You will never be able to read the big 'E ' on the eye chart regardless of what glasses or contacts you put on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Brandon likely is legally blind [wikipedia.org] and not actually Helen Keller style blind.
I have several friends who are legally blind without glasses or contacts, so the threshold is quite a bit higher than you might be thinking.Obviously you didn't even read your own article.
'Legally blind' means that with the best possible correction, you are still below 20/200 vision.
You will never be able to read the big 'E' on the eye chart regardless of what glasses or contacts you put on.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015924</id>
	<title>How?</title>
	<author>PPNSteve</author>
	<datestamp>1257623700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now, all disabilities aside and with respect to those with them, really just one thought pops into my mind.. How would one expect a blind person to play a VIDEO (as in visual) game?
I mean they can't see whats happening, can't see where to go/aim, or see other visual clues that's in most games now a days.. short of brain implants, I just don't see this as feasible with current tech.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , all disabilities aside and with respect to those with them , really just one thought pops into my mind.. How would one expect a blind person to play a VIDEO ( as in visual ) game ?
I mean they ca n't see whats happening , ca n't see where to go/aim , or see other visual clues that 's in most games now a days.. short of brain implants , I just do n't see this as feasible with current tech .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, all disabilities aside and with respect to those with them, really just one thought pops into my mind.. How would one expect a blind person to play a VIDEO (as in visual) game?
I mean they can't see whats happening, can't see where to go/aim, or see other visual clues that's in most games now a days.. short of brain implants, I just don't see this as feasible with current tech.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018246</id>
	<title>Re:What a load of BS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257602820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bad example with the car analogy, sherlock. Yeah, it's a load of B.S. suing over a stupid video game. But driving a car? In the U.S.? Jesus H. Christ, I'm surprised people aren't born surgically attached to a car in this country. The U.S. is so goddamn car dependent that why shouldn't someone who's visually impaired or blind sue the government for not being able to drive? What's the person supposed to do? Rely on public transportation? Ha ha what a joke. Yeah, OK, if the person lived in NYC then I could see their lawsuit being stupid but not every visually impaired or blind person lives in NYC. Just for the record, I'm legally blind and I can't drive and it's, for the most part, ruined my goddamn life. Not the being legally blind part. The not being able to drive part has. So, no, it's NOT like the blind guy bring the government or state to court because he can't drive. His suit is over some stupid video game. I have a PS3 and I have to sit 3 feet from my 42" LCD HDTV to play any PS3 games. And, of course, I suck at all of them. But you don't see me suing Sony. But if there was a snowball's chance in hell that I could successfully sue the government over me not being able to drive in the U.S., I'd do it in a second. Just wait until you're old and the DMV won't renew your license and you lose your independence. Assuming you live in the U.S., you won't be a happy camper when that time comes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bad example with the car analogy , sherlock .
Yeah , it 's a load of B.S .
suing over a stupid video game .
But driving a car ?
In the U.S. ?
Jesus H. Christ , I 'm surprised people are n't born surgically attached to a car in this country .
The U.S. is so goddamn car dependent that why should n't someone who 's visually impaired or blind sue the government for not being able to drive ?
What 's the person supposed to do ?
Rely on public transportation ?
Ha ha what a joke .
Yeah , OK , if the person lived in NYC then I could see their lawsuit being stupid but not every visually impaired or blind person lives in NYC .
Just for the record , I 'm legally blind and I ca n't drive and it 's , for the most part , ruined my goddamn life .
Not the being legally blind part .
The not being able to drive part has .
So , no , it 's NOT like the blind guy bring the government or state to court because he ca n't drive .
His suit is over some stupid video game .
I have a PS3 and I have to sit 3 feet from my 42 " LCD HDTV to play any PS3 games .
And , of course , I suck at all of them .
But you do n't see me suing Sony .
But if there was a snowball 's chance in hell that I could successfully sue the government over me not being able to drive in the U.S. , I 'd do it in a second .
Just wait until you 're old and the DMV wo n't renew your license and you lose your independence .
Assuming you live in the U.S. , you wo n't be a happy camper when that time comes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bad example with the car analogy, sherlock.
Yeah, it's a load of B.S.
suing over a stupid video game.
But driving a car?
In the U.S.?
Jesus H. Christ, I'm surprised people aren't born surgically attached to a car in this country.
The U.S. is so goddamn car dependent that why shouldn't someone who's visually impaired or blind sue the government for not being able to drive?
What's the person supposed to do?
Rely on public transportation?
Ha ha what a joke.
Yeah, OK, if the person lived in NYC then I could see their lawsuit being stupid but not every visually impaired or blind person lives in NYC.
Just for the record, I'm legally blind and I can't drive and it's, for the most part, ruined my goddamn life.
Not the being legally blind part.
The not being able to drive part has.
So, no, it's NOT like the blind guy bring the government or state to court because he can't drive.
His suit is over some stupid video game.
I have a PS3 and I have to sit 3 feet from my 42" LCD HDTV to play any PS3 games.
And, of course, I suck at all of them.
But you don't see me suing Sony.
But if there was a snowball's chance in hell that I could successfully sue the government over me not being able to drive in the U.S., I'd do it in a second.
Just wait until you're old and the DMV won't renew your license and you lose your independence.
Assuming you live in the U.S., you won't be a happy camper when that time comes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30035792</id>
	<title>Re:Opinion from a blind guy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257793980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The buttons are read out loud, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The buttons are read out loud , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The buttons are read out loud, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30025708</id>
	<title>Wouldn't video games be considered artwork?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257679140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know about you but I'd figure that a video game would be considered art work to some extent and modifying it with someone else's ideas is the same and destroying the original vision of the artist. I do a lot of web site creation and honestly consider my craft a form of art. I have never been hit up with a ADA suit but if I were to be, that would definitely be the approach I'd be taking for my defense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about you but I 'd figure that a video game would be considered art work to some extent and modifying it with someone else 's ideas is the same and destroying the original vision of the artist .
I do a lot of web site creation and honestly consider my craft a form of art .
I have never been hit up with a ADA suit but if I were to be , that would definitely be the approach I 'd be taking for my defense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about you but I'd figure that a video game would be considered art work to some extent and modifying it with someone else's ideas is the same and destroying the original vision of the artist.
I do a lot of web site creation and honestly consider my craft a form of art.
I have never been hit up with a ADA suit but if I were to be, that would definitely be the approach I'd be taking for my defense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015604</id>
	<title>The right thing to do?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257621720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, it is the right thing to do if Sony chose to do it. The wrong thing to do is force people/companies to bow to your will. That is the opposite of liberty and freedom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , it is the right thing to do if Sony chose to do it .
The wrong thing to do is force people/companies to bow to your will .
That is the opposite of liberty and freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, it is the right thing to do if Sony chose to do it.
The wrong thing to do is force people/companies to bow to your will.
That is the opposite of liberty and freedom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30026778</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>PaganRitual</author>
	<datestamp>1257685920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's a fine-sounding liberal opinion, but when did accessibility to a video game, which presupposes a minimum level of vision, become a privilege</p></div><p>Maybe they should have described them using a word that implies a visual aspect to these games. As soon as I think of one I'll let you know.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a fine-sounding liberal opinion , but when did accessibility to a video game , which presupposes a minimum level of vision , become a privilegeMaybe they should have described them using a word that implies a visual aspect to these games .
As soon as I think of one I 'll let you know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a fine-sounding liberal opinion, but when did accessibility to a video game, which presupposes a minimum level of vision, become a privilegeMaybe they should have described them using a word that implies a visual aspect to these games.
As soon as I think of one I'll let you know.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016394</id>
	<title>I'm aesthetically impaired i'm going to sue</title>
	<author>TheRealRainFall</author>
	<datestamp>1257584580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm aesthetically impaired i'm going to sue because i can't sleep with Megan Fox.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm aesthetically impaired i 'm going to sue because i ca n't sleep with Megan Fox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm aesthetically impaired i'm going to sue because i can't sleep with Megan Fox.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018678</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>TheVelvetFlamebait</author>
	<datestamp>1257608220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'd hate to to think what this guy would do when he realizes that cameras don't pander to the visually impaired market.</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, assuming he didn't previously realise that cameras couldn't realistically accommodate for the visually impaired, he would come up with a bunch of unreasonable solutions, and his lawyer would strongly advise him against taking the case, since the AWDA requires reasonable measures.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd hate to to think what this guy would do when he realizes that cameras do n't pander to the visually impaired market.Well , assuming he did n't previously realise that cameras could n't realistically accommodate for the visually impaired , he would come up with a bunch of unreasonable solutions , and his lawyer would strongly advise him against taking the case , since the AWDA requires reasonable measures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd hate to to think what this guy would do when he realizes that cameras don't pander to the visually impaired market.Well, assuming he didn't previously realise that cameras couldn't realistically accommodate for the visually impaired, he would come up with a bunch of unreasonable solutions, and his lawyer would strongly advise him against taking the case, since the AWDA requires reasonable measures.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015334</id>
	<title>Controller Mod?</title>
	<author>Zathain Sicarius</author>
	<datestamp>1257619740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>What if you were to play around with the frets with your right hand and mod the controller out to replace the strum bar with two foot pedals? (A bit of a roundabout solution, but Its better than the other replies you've gotten...)

What I'd really like to see is the content of these letters that he's sent to Sony.  Theres another article linked inside of this one about a guy who is blind and helps other blind people play commercial games through screen readers, surround sound, and menu guides.  He's even gone so far as to send mail to developers and publishers to suggest how they might better help the blind.

That could be the key difference between these two. If this guy just sent a bunch of letters about how "OMGZ UR GAME ISH HARD FUR BLIND PEEPS" and then giggled to himself how they didn't respond to him, then he's just being an idiot trying to get some cash out of this.  If Sony's been ignoring valid suggestions on how to help and giving him the silent treatment, then he might have a case.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What if you were to play around with the frets with your right hand and mod the controller out to replace the strum bar with two foot pedals ?
( A bit of a roundabout solution , but Its better than the other replies you 've gotten... ) What I 'd really like to see is the content of these letters that he 's sent to Sony .
Theres another article linked inside of this one about a guy who is blind and helps other blind people play commercial games through screen readers , surround sound , and menu guides .
He 's even gone so far as to send mail to developers and publishers to suggest how they might better help the blind .
That could be the key difference between these two .
If this guy just sent a bunch of letters about how " OMGZ UR GAME ISH HARD FUR BLIND PEEPS " and then giggled to himself how they did n't respond to him , then he 's just being an idiot trying to get some cash out of this .
If Sony 's been ignoring valid suggestions on how to help and giving him the silent treatment , then he might have a case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if you were to play around with the frets with your right hand and mod the controller out to replace the strum bar with two foot pedals?
(A bit of a roundabout solution, but Its better than the other replies you've gotten...)

What I'd really like to see is the content of these letters that he's sent to Sony.
Theres another article linked inside of this one about a guy who is blind and helps other blind people play commercial games through screen readers, surround sound, and menu guides.
He's even gone so far as to send mail to developers and publishers to suggest how they might better help the blind.
That could be the key difference between these two.
If this guy just sent a bunch of letters about how "OMGZ UR GAME ISH HARD FUR BLIND PEEPS" and then giggled to himself how they didn't respond to him, then he's just being an idiot trying to get some cash out of this.
If Sony's been ignoring valid suggestions on how to help and giving him the silent treatment, then he might have a case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016814</id>
	<title>The Library</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257588840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm thinking back to the original Halo days and the Library.  What would the accessibility voice-over sound like on that level after the suit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm thinking back to the original Halo days and the Library .
What would the accessibility voice-over sound like on that level after the suit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm thinking back to the original Halo days and the Library.
What would the accessibility voice-over sound like on that level after the suit?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015088</id>
	<title>Go after MS paint</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257618300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No braille version.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No braille version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No braille version.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30020270</id>
	<title>Not as bad as the summary makes it sound</title>
	<author>BoneFlower</author>
	<datestamp>1257679140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's actually got a point.</p><p>The main issue appears to be Everquest and the other MMOs they make.  These games do not feature reasonable accomodation for visually impaired users.  There is only so far you can accomodate visually impaired people in a visual medium, but it's good to go as far as you can without damaging the experience for those with normal vision.</p><p>The lawsuit refers to World of Warcraft and some other games to show that such accomodation is in fact possible in an online video game context at a reasonable cost.</p><p>I'm not sure the ADA actually applies to online games, but if they can convince the court that it does, they seem to have a solid argument for trial.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's actually got a point.The main issue appears to be Everquest and the other MMOs they make .
These games do not feature reasonable accomodation for visually impaired users .
There is only so far you can accomodate visually impaired people in a visual medium , but it 's good to go as far as you can without damaging the experience for those with normal vision.The lawsuit refers to World of Warcraft and some other games to show that such accomodation is in fact possible in an online video game context at a reasonable cost.I 'm not sure the ADA actually applies to online games , but if they can convince the court that it does , they seem to have a solid argument for trial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's actually got a point.The main issue appears to be Everquest and the other MMOs they make.
These games do not feature reasonable accomodation for visually impaired users.
There is only so far you can accomodate visually impaired people in a visual medium, but it's good to go as far as you can without damaging the experience for those with normal vision.The lawsuit refers to World of Warcraft and some other games to show that such accomodation is in fact possible in an online video game context at a reasonable cost.I'm not sure the ADA actually applies to online games, but if they can convince the court that it does, they seem to have a solid argument for trial.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015150</id>
	<title>I don't get it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257618600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So are deaf people going to sue Sony for not signing bands that cater to the hearing impaired?</p><p>I'm all for promoting access for the disabled but there's just some things that can't be done no matter how many lawsuits you file.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So are deaf people going to sue Sony for not signing bands that cater to the hearing impaired ? I 'm all for promoting access for the disabled but there 's just some things that ca n't be done no matter how many lawsuits you file .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So are deaf people going to sue Sony for not signing bands that cater to the hearing impaired?I'm all for promoting access for the disabled but there's just some things that can't be done no matter how many lawsuits you file.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015714</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>countertrolling</author>
	<datestamp>1257622320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, you might be able to sue <a href="http://ch3guest.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/view-master.jpg" title="wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">these guys</a> [wordpress.com].. I mean since this guy is essentially suing a toy company. I can hardly wait for people to start suing for emotional trauma when they can't win the game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , you might be able to sue these guys [ wordpress.com ] .. I mean since this guy is essentially suing a toy company .
I can hardly wait for people to start suing for emotional trauma when they ca n't win the game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, you might be able to sue these guys [wordpress.com].. I mean since this guy is essentially suing a toy company.
I can hardly wait for people to start suing for emotional trauma when they can't win the game.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015084</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017360</id>
	<title>firehose?</title>
	<author>An0iD</author>
	<datestamp>1257594420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Visually impaired video games?     I dont get it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Visually impaired video games ?
I dont get it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Visually impaired video games?
I dont get it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015738</id>
	<title>So wrong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257622500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The idea that someone is entitled to play a specific video game is completely idiotic. While it might be nice for developers to make games more accessible, there's a cost to doing so and, in this case, it's highly unlikely the increase in sales would offset the cost. Next we'll have people suing because the game isn't released with a language pack for certain languages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea that someone is entitled to play a specific video game is completely idiotic .
While it might be nice for developers to make games more accessible , there 's a cost to doing so and , in this case , it 's highly unlikely the increase in sales would offset the cost .
Next we 'll have people suing because the game is n't released with a language pack for certain languages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea that someone is entitled to play a specific video game is completely idiotic.
While it might be nice for developers to make games more accessible, there's a cost to doing so and, in this case, it's highly unlikely the increase in sales would offset the cost.
Next we'll have people suing because the game isn't released with a language pack for certain languages.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019766</id>
	<title>Video Games</title>
	<author>KingTank</author>
	<datestamp>1257711780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think Sony's defense will consist of "come on, we make VIDEO games".  Then they will cite the definition of the word "video".  Case dismissed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think Sony 's defense will consist of " come on , we make VIDEO games " .
Then they will cite the definition of the word " video " .
Case dismissed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think Sony's defense will consist of "come on, we make VIDEO games".
Then they will cite the definition of the word "video".
Case dismissed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017042</id>
	<title>Only specific bits of this lawsuit valid?</title>
	<author>DJRumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1257591180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looking at TFA, it mentions a piece of the Act in question:</p><p>The Americans with Disabilities Act states that, "No individual shall be discriminated against on the basis of disability in the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or <b>accommodations of any place of public accommodation by any person who owns, leases (or leases to), or operates a place of public accommodation.</b>"</p><p>It would seem he might have something when it comes to the Auction Site that sony runs, as I could see this fitting into that definition, but the game itself, no way. A game is not a public accommodation, it is a possession.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looking at TFA , it mentions a piece of the Act in question : The Americans with Disabilities Act states that , " No individual shall be discriminated against on the basis of disability in the full and equal enjoyment of the goods , services , facilities , privileges , advantages , or accommodations of any place of public accommodation by any person who owns , leases ( or leases to ) , or operates a place of public accommodation .
" It would seem he might have something when it comes to the Auction Site that sony runs , as I could see this fitting into that definition , but the game itself , no way .
A game is not a public accommodation , it is a possession .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looking at TFA, it mentions a piece of the Act in question:The Americans with Disabilities Act states that, "No individual shall be discriminated against on the basis of disability in the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of any place of public accommodation by any person who owns, leases (or leases to), or operates a place of public accommodation.
"It would seem he might have something when it comes to the Auction Site that sony runs, as I could see this fitting into that definition, but the game itself, no way.
A game is not a public accommodation, it is a possession.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019514</id>
	<title>Mental AND Visual Impairment.....</title>
	<author>IHC Navistar</author>
	<datestamp>1257620100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sony should use this as an opportunity to capitalize on the public's sever disdain for idiots like these by developing a game called:</p><p>GAMING THE SYSTEM.</p><p>Honestly, this clown purchases a video game, knowing that he will have trouble SEEING THE GRAPHICS?! I think he has a Mental Impairment, along with his Visual Impairment.</p><p>"The Americans with Disabilities Act states that, "No individual shall be discriminated against on the basis of disability in the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of any place of public accommodation by any person who owns, leases (or leases to), or operates a place of public accommodation."</p><p>-"by any person who owns, leases (or leases to), or operates a place of public accommodation.": Sony's games are not public property or goods, as the ownership is transferred from one person to another. Further, Sony has no legal obligation to make their products ADA-compliant, as they are not public products. Also, there are other places to sell games, not just through Sony's service, such as Gamestop, flea markets, Amazon, EBay, etc. This moron has many other places to sell his used games. Additionlly, this kid proceeded with purchasing his games knowing full well that it was a VIDEO game, a visually-oriented product, that may not be suitable for his vision.</p><p>For all you ADA Bleeding Heart lawsuit slingers, this post is not ADA compliant for the visually, auditorally, or mentally impaired.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony should use this as an opportunity to capitalize on the public 's sever disdain for idiots like these by developing a game called : GAMING THE SYSTEM.Honestly , this clown purchases a video game , knowing that he will have trouble SEEING THE GRAPHICS ? !
I think he has a Mental Impairment , along with his Visual Impairment .
" The Americans with Disabilities Act states that , " No individual shall be discriminated against on the basis of disability in the full and equal enjoyment of the goods , services , facilities , privileges , advantages , or accommodations of any place of public accommodation by any person who owns , leases ( or leases to ) , or operates a place of public accommodation .
" - " by any person who owns , leases ( or leases to ) , or operates a place of public accommodation .
" : Sony 's games are not public property or goods , as the ownership is transferred from one person to another .
Further , Sony has no legal obligation to make their products ADA-compliant , as they are not public products .
Also , there are other places to sell games , not just through Sony 's service , such as Gamestop , flea markets , Amazon , EBay , etc .
This moron has many other places to sell his used games .
Additionlly , this kid proceeded with purchasing his games knowing full well that it was a VIDEO game , a visually-oriented product , that may not be suitable for his vision.For all you ADA Bleeding Heart lawsuit slingers , this post is not ADA compliant for the visually , auditorally , or mentally impaired .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony should use this as an opportunity to capitalize on the public's sever disdain for idiots like these by developing a game called:GAMING THE SYSTEM.Honestly, this clown purchases a video game, knowing that he will have trouble SEEING THE GRAPHICS?!
I think he has a Mental Impairment, along with his Visual Impairment.
"The Americans with Disabilities Act states that, "No individual shall be discriminated against on the basis of disability in the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of any place of public accommodation by any person who owns, leases (or leases to), or operates a place of public accommodation.
"-"by any person who owns, leases (or leases to), or operates a place of public accommodation.
": Sony's games are not public property or goods, as the ownership is transferred from one person to another.
Further, Sony has no legal obligation to make their products ADA-compliant, as they are not public products.
Also, there are other places to sell games, not just through Sony's service, such as Gamestop, flea markets, Amazon, EBay, etc.
This moron has many other places to sell his used games.
Additionlly, this kid proceeded with purchasing his games knowing full well that it was a VIDEO game, a visually-oriented product, that may not be suitable for his vision.For all you ADA Bleeding Heart lawsuit slingers, this post is not ADA compliant for the visually, auditorally, or mentally impaired.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015128</id>
	<title>Enough with the crappy controllers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257618540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish they'd stop trying to endlessly make the controllers more efficient (= smaller &amp; fiddlier).</p><p>Its bad enough trying to use a mouse or joystick with all the extra buttons they add.<br>Any kind of dexterity affecting disability makes most of them impossible to use.<br>A gamepad with 2 sticks, 20 buttons on all 6 sides and motion control is just impossible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish they 'd stop trying to endlessly make the controllers more efficient ( = smaller &amp; fiddlier ) .Its bad enough trying to use a mouse or joystick with all the extra buttons they add.Any kind of dexterity affecting disability makes most of them impossible to use.A gamepad with 2 sticks , 20 buttons on all 6 sides and motion control is just impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish they'd stop trying to endlessly make the controllers more efficient (= smaller &amp; fiddlier).Its bad enough trying to use a mouse or joystick with all the extra buttons they add.Any kind of dexterity affecting disability makes most of them impossible to use.A gamepad with 2 sticks, 20 buttons on all 6 sides and motion control is just impossible.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015564</id>
	<title>not sure...</title>
	<author>Fuzzums</author>
	<datestamp>1257621420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>my perception of somebory that is "visually impaired" is somebody that doesnt see very well, but is not blind. if you can see, but not very well, buying a beamer would be the obvious solution instead of suing Sony.</p><p>anyway, if the changes for Sony would be reasonable and it wouldn't affect the quality of the product in a negative way, i'd say why not? do it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>my perception of somebory that is " visually impaired " is somebody that doesnt see very well , but is not blind .
if you can see , but not very well , buying a beamer would be the obvious solution instead of suing Sony.anyway , if the changes for Sony would be reasonable and it would n't affect the quality of the product in a negative way , i 'd say why not ?
do it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>my perception of somebory that is "visually impaired" is somebody that doesnt see very well, but is not blind.
if you can see, but not very well, buying a beamer would be the obvious solution instead of suing Sony.anyway, if the changes for Sony would be reasonable and it wouldn't affect the quality of the product in a negative way, i'd say why not?
do it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016908</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1257589680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I want to know if Guitar Hero is playable using a wand attached to the forehead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I want to know if Guitar Hero is playable using a wand attached to the forehead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want to know if Guitar Hero is playable using a wand attached to the forehead.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015094</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017894</id>
	<title>Come on... be cool...</title>
	<author>Bones3D\_mac</author>
	<datestamp>1257599340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Being disabled myself, I can sympathize with such frustrations... but guess what... <b>even the disabled can be totally unreasonable</b>!</p><p>Sure, it's one thing to expect handicapped accessible ramps and bathrooms at places of business which deal directly with the public, but it's something completely different to expect a business to cater to any and every conceivable disability when the person in question isn't even on their property or being dealt with on a personal basis.</p><p>Why should this person be suing Sony for problems extending beyond the scope of their hardware's intended use when the guy could just as easily find a 3rd party solution for such issues and get government assistance to acquire it? Are they somehow <i>entitled</i> to a first party solution simply because a third party solution might not be as pretty to use or look at? Is there a reason this person should expect every piece of software/hardware he encounters to have a built-in zoom function, when he could just as easily use something like a display magnifying glass like that featured in the film version of "1984"? And how would they prove that using such an external solution would "damage" them to the point that the only logical solution is to sue not the display hardware's manufacturer, but the manufacturer of other hardware using that display?</p><p>After all, is it Sony's fault that this person purchased a TV with pixels too small for them to view the images shown on it adequately?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being disabled myself , I can sympathize with such frustrations... but guess what... even the disabled can be totally unreasonable ! Sure , it 's one thing to expect handicapped accessible ramps and bathrooms at places of business which deal directly with the public , but it 's something completely different to expect a business to cater to any and every conceivable disability when the person in question is n't even on their property or being dealt with on a personal basis.Why should this person be suing Sony for problems extending beyond the scope of their hardware 's intended use when the guy could just as easily find a 3rd party solution for such issues and get government assistance to acquire it ?
Are they somehow entitled to a first party solution simply because a third party solution might not be as pretty to use or look at ?
Is there a reason this person should expect every piece of software/hardware he encounters to have a built-in zoom function , when he could just as easily use something like a display magnifying glass like that featured in the film version of " 1984 " ?
And how would they prove that using such an external solution would " damage " them to the point that the only logical solution is to sue not the display hardware 's manufacturer , but the manufacturer of other hardware using that display ? After all , is it Sony 's fault that this person purchased a TV with pixels too small for them to view the images shown on it adequately ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being disabled myself, I can sympathize with such frustrations... but guess what... even the disabled can be totally unreasonable!Sure, it's one thing to expect handicapped accessible ramps and bathrooms at places of business which deal directly with the public, but it's something completely different to expect a business to cater to any and every conceivable disability when the person in question isn't even on their property or being dealt with on a personal basis.Why should this person be suing Sony for problems extending beyond the scope of their hardware's intended use when the guy could just as easily find a 3rd party solution for such issues and get government assistance to acquire it?
Are they somehow entitled to a first party solution simply because a third party solution might not be as pretty to use or look at?
Is there a reason this person should expect every piece of software/hardware he encounters to have a built-in zoom function, when he could just as easily use something like a display magnifying glass like that featured in the film version of "1984"?
And how would they prove that using such an external solution would "damage" them to the point that the only logical solution is to sue not the display hardware's manufacturer, but the manufacturer of other hardware using that display?After all, is it Sony's fault that this person purchased a TV with pixels too small for them to view the images shown on it adequately?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015588</id>
	<title>Depends on what he's asking for</title>
	<author>sinrakin</author>
	<datestamp>1257621660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My initial feeling is that this sounds like nonsense: the word "video" in "video game" pretty much implies that vision is required.

However, maybe he's asking for something that's not too unreasonable: a better brightness control, or a high contrast mode, or a way to limit extraneous detail, or something that might not be incredibly hard to include as a part of all games, and that would open up the whole are of video games to people previously unable to experience them. I'd have sort of a hard time arguing against that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My initial feeling is that this sounds like nonsense : the word " video " in " video game " pretty much implies that vision is required .
However , maybe he 's asking for something that 's not too unreasonable : a better brightness control , or a high contrast mode , or a way to limit extraneous detail , or something that might not be incredibly hard to include as a part of all games , and that would open up the whole are of video games to people previously unable to experience them .
I 'd have sort of a hard time arguing against that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My initial feeling is that this sounds like nonsense: the word "video" in "video game" pretty much implies that vision is required.
However, maybe he's asking for something that's not too unreasonable: a better brightness control, or a high contrast mode, or a way to limit extraneous detail, or something that might not be incredibly hard to include as a part of all games, and that would open up the whole are of video games to people previously unable to experience them.
I'd have sort of a hard time arguing against that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30020656</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>wasabu</author>
	<datestamp>1257685260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The dilemma sprouts from the fact that we are in transit from being purely animal to purely spiritual (matter to meta-physical).  Wherein, the animal is constituent of it's physical and survival characteristics, and the metap-physical is the transcendant consciousness to which we seem to be heading.

As for this guy, he sounds like a complete fucking twat and I'd happy to strangle him for animal reasons!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The dilemma sprouts from the fact that we are in transit from being purely animal to purely spiritual ( matter to meta-physical ) .
Wherein , the animal is constituent of it 's physical and survival characteristics , and the metap-physical is the transcendant consciousness to which we seem to be heading .
As for this guy , he sounds like a complete fucking twat and I 'd happy to strangle him for animal reasons !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The dilemma sprouts from the fact that we are in transit from being purely animal to purely spiritual (matter to meta-physical).
Wherein, the animal is constituent of it's physical and survival characteristics, and the metap-physical is the transcendant consciousness to which we seem to be heading.
As for this guy, he sounds like a complete fucking twat and I'd happy to strangle him for animal reasons!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015084</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018398</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257604320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go after the 3d image market. Clearly you can't utilize stereoscopic 3d images and it's simply absurd that they won't cater to the depth perception deficient</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go after the 3d image market .
Clearly you ca n't utilize stereoscopic 3d images and it 's simply absurd that they wo n't cater to the depth perception deficient</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go after the 3d image market.
Clearly you can't utilize stereoscopic 3d images and it's simply absurd that they won't cater to the depth perception deficient</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015084</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30020086</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Rakshasa Taisab</author>
	<datestamp>1257675600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You underestimate the effort that might be needed to add such features to an UI code-base that wasn't designed for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You underestimate the effort that might be needed to add such features to an UI code-base that was n't designed for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You underestimate the effort that might be needed to add such features to an UI code-base that wasn't designed for it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016664</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30023424</id>
	<title>How does this even apply to Sony?</title>
	<author>Bobartig</author>
	<datestamp>1257706080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He's complaining about the features of a game, which are a good, or good/service combination, using legislation that specifically targets location based attractions. If he's going after Sony because of its SonyStyle stores, then any possible equitable remedy would also apply to every store that has a game kiosk, or anything interactive at all, like the easy listening CD machine at Bed Bath and Beyond.</p><p>Personally, I really, really hope that this case is dismissed. First, for inapplicability of the statute, but more importantly so that game developers are not saddled with the additional economic burden of adding disability compliance to all games. The mechanics of a video game are not like walking up a ramp, including a braille menu, or using the bathroom. They are varied, and hinge fundamentally on a wide variety of combinations of audio and visual stimuli that cannot generally be summed in a way to make them equally accessible given some sensory impairment. There is no single, predictable means of meeting such a requirement, adding more uncontrollable variable cost to game development, leading to less ambitious titles, less experimentation among developers, less development time and resources for the core functionality of the game. Having been a software developer, a game developer, and now a legal scholar, this just seems bad, bad, bad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's complaining about the features of a game , which are a good , or good/service combination , using legislation that specifically targets location based attractions .
If he 's going after Sony because of its SonyStyle stores , then any possible equitable remedy would also apply to every store that has a game kiosk , or anything interactive at all , like the easy listening CD machine at Bed Bath and Beyond.Personally , I really , really hope that this case is dismissed .
First , for inapplicability of the statute , but more importantly so that game developers are not saddled with the additional economic burden of adding disability compliance to all games .
The mechanics of a video game are not like walking up a ramp , including a braille menu , or using the bathroom .
They are varied , and hinge fundamentally on a wide variety of combinations of audio and visual stimuli that can not generally be summed in a way to make them equally accessible given some sensory impairment .
There is no single , predictable means of meeting such a requirement , adding more uncontrollable variable cost to game development , leading to less ambitious titles , less experimentation among developers , less development time and resources for the core functionality of the game .
Having been a software developer , a game developer , and now a legal scholar , this just seems bad , bad , bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's complaining about the features of a game, which are a good, or good/service combination, using legislation that specifically targets location based attractions.
If he's going after Sony because of its SonyStyle stores, then any possible equitable remedy would also apply to every store that has a game kiosk, or anything interactive at all, like the easy listening CD machine at Bed Bath and Beyond.Personally, I really, really hope that this case is dismissed.
First, for inapplicability of the statute, but more importantly so that game developers are not saddled with the additional economic burden of adding disability compliance to all games.
The mechanics of a video game are not like walking up a ramp, including a braille menu, or using the bathroom.
They are varied, and hinge fundamentally on a wide variety of combinations of audio and visual stimuli that cannot generally be summed in a way to make them equally accessible given some sensory impairment.
There is no single, predictable means of meeting such a requirement, adding more uncontrollable variable cost to game development, leading to less ambitious titles, less experimentation among developers, less development time and resources for the core functionality of the game.
Having been a software developer, a game developer, and now a legal scholar, this just seems bad, bad, bad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30031092</id>
	<title>Moron...</title>
	<author>kenbo0422</author>
	<datestamp>1257772260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its bad enough that this bozo is trying to sue them for not accommodating the blind in an arena that requires fairly acute visual ability and skills.  But, is our justice system going to let this one even get to first base?  Let's just hope that the judge involved isn't another moron and doesn't make Sony provide 'special' giant screens for the visually impaired.  It seems that these day if someone has a handicap of some kind, they think that they're entitled to special treatment.  Blow me.  If I don't want to provide a ramp into my private business, I don't have to.  I'm not the only one in town and some places of business (manufacturing) are really no place for a bunch of cripples, anyway, much less the blind.  Sony is fighting the 'entitlement' mindset.  I hope they sock it to him right between the eyes with a baseball bat.  Probably won't hurt his outlook...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its bad enough that this bozo is trying to sue them for not accommodating the blind in an arena that requires fairly acute visual ability and skills .
But , is our justice system going to let this one even get to first base ?
Let 's just hope that the judge involved is n't another moron and does n't make Sony provide 'special ' giant screens for the visually impaired .
It seems that these day if someone has a handicap of some kind , they think that they 're entitled to special treatment .
Blow me .
If I do n't want to provide a ramp into my private business , I do n't have to .
I 'm not the only one in town and some places of business ( manufacturing ) are really no place for a bunch of cripples , anyway , much less the blind .
Sony is fighting the 'entitlement ' mindset .
I hope they sock it to him right between the eyes with a baseball bat .
Probably wo n't hurt his outlook.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its bad enough that this bozo is trying to sue them for not accommodating the blind in an arena that requires fairly acute visual ability and skills.
But, is our justice system going to let this one even get to first base?
Let's just hope that the judge involved isn't another moron and doesn't make Sony provide 'special' giant screens for the visually impaired.
It seems that these day if someone has a handicap of some kind, they think that they're entitled to special treatment.
Blow me.
If I don't want to provide a ramp into my private business, I don't have to.
I'm not the only one in town and some places of business (manufacturing) are really no place for a bunch of cripples, anyway, much less the blind.
Sony is fighting the 'entitlement' mindset.
I hope they sock it to him right between the eyes with a baseball bat.
Probably won't hurt his outlook...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30039106</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>lavalamp70</author>
	<datestamp>1257765000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He should sue topless/nude bars as well!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>He should sue topless/nude bars as well !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He should sue topless/nude bars as well!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019108</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1257613920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, but you're using a strawman argument. I never said that <em>all</em> parades are like that. So the rest of your comment is false.</p><p>I said that parades, where a group of people is raised out, and paraded as being something "different" (not just normal people) does exactly that: Show that "they/we are different, and not normal". At least that was the purpose of every gay parade I have seen.</p><p>The funny thing is: Even most gay people don't like those "extremist" gays who always think they have to put themselves in the spotlight and attack people for not being "tolerant" enough.* (In reality, those types often themselves are not very tolerant.) At least that is how a lesbian woman explained it to me.<br>But as we know, there are annoying extremists in every community. ^^<br>Well, as long as one doesn't prejudice a group by the behavior of its loudest idiots, that should not be a problem.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>\_\_\_<br>* Be aware that I obviously am completely aware that there were and partially are still people that are treating gays bad for no reason, and that that is bad. I'm just saying, as I pointed out in my original comment, that the other side of the extreme also exists, and is just as bad.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , but you 're using a strawman argument .
I never said that all parades are like that .
So the rest of your comment is false.I said that parades , where a group of people is raised out , and paraded as being something " different " ( not just normal people ) does exactly that : Show that " they/we are different , and not normal " .
At least that was the purpose of every gay parade I have seen.The funny thing is : Even most gay people do n't like those " extremist " gays who always think they have to put themselves in the spotlight and attack people for not being " tolerant " enough .
* ( In reality , those types often themselves are not very tolerant .
) At least that is how a lesbian woman explained it to me.But as we know , there are annoying extremists in every community .
^ ^ Well , as long as one does n't prejudice a group by the behavior of its loudest idiots , that should not be a problem .
: ) \ _ \ _ \ _ * Be aware that I obviously am completely aware that there were and partially are still people that are treating gays bad for no reason , and that that is bad .
I 'm just saying , as I pointed out in my original comment , that the other side of the extreme also exists , and is just as bad .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, but you're using a strawman argument.
I never said that all parades are like that.
So the rest of your comment is false.I said that parades, where a group of people is raised out, and paraded as being something "different" (not just normal people) does exactly that: Show that "they/we are different, and not normal".
At least that was the purpose of every gay parade I have seen.The funny thing is: Even most gay people don't like those "extremist" gays who always think they have to put themselves in the spotlight and attack people for not being "tolerant" enough.
* (In reality, those types often themselves are not very tolerant.
) At least that is how a lesbian woman explained it to me.But as we know, there are annoying extremists in every community.
^^Well, as long as one doesn't prejudice a group by the behavior of its loudest idiots, that should not be a problem.
:)\_\_\_* Be aware that I obviously am completely aware that there were and partially are still people that are treating gays bad for no reason, and that that is bad.
I'm just saying, as I pointed out in my original comment, that the other side of the extreme also exists, and is just as bad.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017854</id>
	<title>Re:Opinion from a blind guy</title>
	<author>pandrijeczko</author>
	<datestamp>1257598980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please excuse my total ignorance but how do you navigate around Slashdot as a blind person?</p><p>I can understand that text on the screen can be "read" to you by a program that turn text to speech, but how are things like the position of a, say, "Reply to This" button conveyed to you so that you know it's there on screen in the first place where a sighted person would just click with the mouse pointer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please excuse my total ignorance but how do you navigate around Slashdot as a blind person ? I can understand that text on the screen can be " read " to you by a program that turn text to speech , but how are things like the position of a , say , " Reply to This " button conveyed to you so that you know it 's there on screen in the first place where a sighted person would just click with the mouse pointer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please excuse my total ignorance but how do you navigate around Slashdot as a blind person?I can understand that text on the screen can be "read" to you by a program that turn text to speech, but how are things like the position of a, say, "Reply to This" button conveyed to you so that you know it's there on screen in the first place where a sighted person would just click with the mouse pointer?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015888</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015820</id>
	<title>As a legally blind person who plays games...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257623040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this is pathetic and a load of crap. Why should they be required to make games accessible? My solution to the problem is to:<br>A: play in a low resolution so that text is easily readable.<br>B: Stick to playing PC games, where I can modify the game files to increase the fonts if necessary.</p><p>This is one of the reasons I avoid HD games. On a standard resolution TV, the developers *can't* make the fonts tiny because it would be unreadable by even perfectly sighted folk.</p><p>It is also worth noting that I am no Sony fanboy. I classify them as a malware vendor for both the rootkit and Securom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is pathetic and a load of crap .
Why should they be required to make games accessible ?
My solution to the problem is to : A : play in a low resolution so that text is easily readable.B : Stick to playing PC games , where I can modify the game files to increase the fonts if necessary.This is one of the reasons I avoid HD games .
On a standard resolution TV , the developers * ca n't * make the fonts tiny because it would be unreadable by even perfectly sighted folk.It is also worth noting that I am no Sony fanboy .
I classify them as a malware vendor for both the rootkit and Securom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is pathetic and a load of crap.
Why should they be required to make games accessible?
My solution to the problem is to:A: play in a low resolution so that text is easily readable.B: Stick to playing PC games, where I can modify the game files to increase the fonts if necessary.This is one of the reasons I avoid HD games.
On a standard resolution TV, the developers *can't* make the fonts tiny because it would be unreadable by even perfectly sighted folk.It is also worth noting that I am no Sony fanboy.
I classify them as a malware vendor for both the rootkit and Securom.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016876</id>
	<title>Re:OS-impaired</title>
	<author>ArtemaOne</author>
	<datestamp>1257589380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Quite your wine-ing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quite your wine-ing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quite your wine-ing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015096</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015328</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Teckla</author>
	<datestamp>1257619680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's a fine-sounding liberal opinion...</p></div><p>It's too bad you had to politicize an otherwise reasonable post and opinion.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a fine-sounding liberal opinion...It 's too bad you had to politicize an otherwise reasonable post and opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a fine-sounding liberal opinion...It's too bad you had to politicize an otherwise reasonable post and opinion.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015136</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30037396</id>
	<title>Re:Opinion from a blind guy</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1257757920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmmm... Looking at the html<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. does not support a CSS for the visually impaired. Which is really quite a shame since it would take maybe a few hours to greatly improve the layout for the blind. I would hope that this would get fixed but people have been whining about changes for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. for years (bugs in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/code and the like). And that really is unfortunate.
<br> <br> I imagine that reading the news isn't too bad. Nor would be going through the comments.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. does have hot-keys which I imagine are helpful. But that is because you have a plan on what you are doing. What would be time consuming and difficult would be finding WHAT to do. We sift through a lot of crap comments to get to good ones, I would probably browse at +4 if I were blind. But I think that unless the guy is a scripter or particularly good at checking his comments you won't get a reply back. Going through a bunch of no replies each day has to be annoying as hell. I don't always check and it takes me 1second rather than 1minute.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm... Looking at the html / .
does not support a CSS for the visually impaired .
Which is really quite a shame since it would take maybe a few hours to greatly improve the layout for the blind .
I would hope that this would get fixed but people have been whining about changes for / .
for years ( bugs in /code and the like ) .
And that really is unfortunate .
I imagine that reading the news is n't too bad .
Nor would be going through the comments .
/. does have hot-keys which I imagine are helpful .
But that is because you have a plan on what you are doing .
What would be time consuming and difficult would be finding WHAT to do .
We sift through a lot of crap comments to get to good ones , I would probably browse at + 4 if I were blind .
But I think that unless the guy is a scripter or particularly good at checking his comments you wo n't get a reply back .
Going through a bunch of no replies each day has to be annoying as hell .
I do n't always check and it takes me 1second rather than 1minute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm... Looking at the html /.
does not support a CSS for the visually impaired.
Which is really quite a shame since it would take maybe a few hours to greatly improve the layout for the blind.
I would hope that this would get fixed but people have been whining about changes for /.
for years (bugs in /code and the like).
And that really is unfortunate.
I imagine that reading the news isn't too bad.
Nor would be going through the comments.
/. does have hot-keys which I imagine are helpful.
But that is because you have a plan on what you are doing.
What would be time consuming and difficult would be finding WHAT to do.
We sift through a lot of crap comments to get to good ones, I would probably browse at +4 if I were blind.
But I think that unless the guy is a scripter or particularly good at checking his comments you won't get a reply back.
Going through a bunch of no replies each day has to be annoying as hell.
I don't always check and it takes me 1second rather than 1minute.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30022760</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>SetupWeasel</author>
	<datestamp>1257702180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'd have a wonderful case against the makers of binoculars or 3D movies!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'd have a wonderful case against the makers of binoculars or 3D movies !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'd have a wonderful case against the makers of binoculars or 3D movies!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015084</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30027326</id>
	<title>Here's how it works:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257689400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's the reasoning taken only slightly out of context:</p><p>I'm blind, and you won't let me be a police officer walking a beat with a gun, so I'm going to sue the city.</p><p>I'm blind, and I can't drive a car, so I'm going to sue Toyota.</p><p>I'm blind, and I can't see what color clothes you're wearing, so I'm going to sue Old Navy.</p><p>I'm blind, and can't see who I'm trying to hit with a huge sword, so I'm going to sue... Sony.</p><p>Or how about... I'm blind, and I have found a way to make money so I don't have to be any sort of a productive member of society by suing everyone I can think of.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's the reasoning taken only slightly out of context : I 'm blind , and you wo n't let me be a police officer walking a beat with a gun , so I 'm going to sue the city.I 'm blind , and I ca n't drive a car , so I 'm going to sue Toyota.I 'm blind , and I ca n't see what color clothes you 're wearing , so I 'm going to sue Old Navy.I 'm blind , and ca n't see who I 'm trying to hit with a huge sword , so I 'm going to sue... Sony.Or how about... I 'm blind , and I have found a way to make money so I do n't have to be any sort of a productive member of society by suing everyone I can think of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's the reasoning taken only slightly out of context:I'm blind, and you won't let me be a police officer walking a beat with a gun, so I'm going to sue the city.I'm blind, and I can't drive a car, so I'm going to sue Toyota.I'm blind, and I can't see what color clothes you're wearing, so I'm going to sue Old Navy.I'm blind, and can't see who I'm trying to hit with a huge sword, so I'm going to sue... Sony.Or how about... I'm blind, and I have found a way to make money so I don't have to be any sort of a productive member of society by suing everyone I can think of.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015844</id>
	<title>Yet another frivolous lawsuit</title>
	<author>srichard25</author>
	<datestamp>1257623160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"In my humble opinion, providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony"</p><p>I hope you never complain about the price of video games, because frivolous lawsuits like this only drive up the cost of games.  I honestly wonder how much cheaper everything would be in America if we could get rid of all the frivolous lawsuits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" In my humble opinion , providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony " I hope you never complain about the price of video games , because frivolous lawsuits like this only drive up the cost of games .
I honestly wonder how much cheaper everything would be in America if we could get rid of all the frivolous lawsuits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"In my humble opinion, providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony"I hope you never complain about the price of video games, because frivolous lawsuits like this only drive up the cost of games.
I honestly wonder how much cheaper everything would be in America if we could get rid of all the frivolous lawsuits.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019964</id>
	<title>It&rsquo;s called a VIDEO game</title>
	<author>multiplex777</author>
	<datestamp>1257672900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey! Get a clue. (not you &ndash; the guy)
It&rsquo;s called a VIDEO game.
It has nothing to do with public access.

What&rsquo;s next? Suing the Catholic Church as God&rsquo;s &ldquo;representative&rdquo; because one is blind?!!
How about suing the state for not granting you a driver&rsquo;s license?

Idea:
Maybe game companies could create a game just for visually impaired people using sound differentiation (virtual location).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey !
Get a clue .
( not you    the guy ) It    s called a VIDEO game .
It has nothing to do with public access .
What    s next ?
Suing the Catholic Church as God    s    representative    because one is blind ? ! !
How about suing the state for not granting you a driver    s license ?
Idea : Maybe game companies could create a game just for visually impaired people using sound differentiation ( virtual location ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey!
Get a clue.
(not you – the guy)
It’s called a VIDEO game.
It has nothing to do with public access.
What’s next?
Suing the Catholic Church as God’s “representative” because one is blind?!!
How about suing the state for not granting you a driver’s license?
Idea:
Maybe game companies could create a game just for visually impaired people using sound differentiation (virtual location).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019748</id>
	<title>Sony isn't averse to litigation</title>
	<author>Mortamer2k</author>
	<datestamp>1257711300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bet the people Sony sues for $150,000 per infringed $0.99 song are happy...  Live by the sword, die by the sword.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet the people Sony sues for $ 150,000 per infringed $ 0.99 song are happy... Live by the sword , die by the sword .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet the people Sony sues for $150,000 per infringed $0.99 song are happy...  Live by the sword, die by the sword.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016992</id>
	<title>This is completely idiotic.</title>
	<author>Dudeman\_Jones</author>
	<datestamp>1257590460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Video games are a VISUAL FREAKING MEDIUM!!!!!!!!!  This would be like suing an orchestra because you are deaf!!!  I sincerely hope that this case gets laughed out of court.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Video games are a VISUAL FREAKING MEDIUM ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
This would be like suing an orchestra because you are deaf ! ! !
I sincerely hope that this case gets laughed out of court .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Video games are a VISUAL FREAKING MEDIUM!!!!!!!!!
This would be like suing an orchestra because you are deaf!!!
I sincerely hope that this case gets laughed out of court.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018150</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257601740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about the "Hey I'm a white male aged 20-35 in good physical condition" parade?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about the " Hey I 'm a white male aged 20-35 in good physical condition " parade ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about the "Hey I'm a white male aged 20-35 in good physical condition" parade?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016986</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019734</id>
	<title>This lawsuit is dead in the water.</title>
	<author>REALMAN</author>
	<datestamp>1257710760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Americans with Disabilities Act only applies to PLACES of Public Accommodation. Physical places like a store or a workplace or a concert hall etc...</p><p>Products are not covered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Americans with Disabilities Act only applies to PLACES of Public Accommodation .
Physical places like a store or a workplace or a concert hall etc...Products are not covered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Americans with Disabilities Act only applies to PLACES of Public Accommodation.
Physical places like a store or a workplace or a concert hall etc...Products are not covered.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015522</id>
	<title>What about the giving-a-damn-impaired?</title>
	<author>Noughmad</author>
	<datestamp>1257621000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can I sue Sony (or any major game publisher) for not releasing any game that would be even remotely interesting to me?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I sue Sony ( or any major game publisher ) for not releasing any game that would be even remotely interesting to me ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I sue Sony (or any major game publisher) for not releasing any game that would be even remotely interesting to me?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30035418</id>
	<title>Seriously</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257792660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Americans with Disabilities Act is meant to protect people that are disabled from being discriminated against when it comes to receiving government services or jobs with the government. This is even limited within the government. You need to be able to walk/run and have all five senses to be an FBI agent. Some people have limitations and private companies that ARE NOT part of the government ARE NOT obligated to accommodate them with their products. It's like the time I heard of an overweight person talking about suing a company for not making shirts in his size. Ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Americans with Disabilities Act is meant to protect people that are disabled from being discriminated against when it comes to receiving government services or jobs with the government .
This is even limited within the government .
You need to be able to walk/run and have all five senses to be an FBI agent .
Some people have limitations and private companies that ARE NOT part of the government ARE NOT obligated to accommodate them with their products .
It 's like the time I heard of an overweight person talking about suing a company for not making shirts in his size .
Ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Americans with Disabilities Act is meant to protect people that are disabled from being discriminated against when it comes to receiving government services or jobs with the government.
This is even limited within the government.
You need to be able to walk/run and have all five senses to be an FBI agent.
Some people have limitations and private companies that ARE NOT part of the government ARE NOT obligated to accommodate them with their products.
It's like the time I heard of an overweight person talking about suing a company for not making shirts in his size.
Ridiculous.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017544</id>
	<title>Visually Impaired != Blind</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257596220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>For what it's worth, they do not say he's blind. He's <i>visually impaired</i>. That doesn't mean he's blind to the point of not seeing, but he could be blind to the point of not having peripheral vision, or having blind spots, etc.  From TFA, it sounds like he can't see the entire screen at once, and wants some kind of way to know if something else is happening on the screen, IE having the screen flash red when hit, etc, like in many arcade games.<br> <br>I'm not blind, nor am I otherwise visually impaired, but I don't like seeing people getting picked on without knowing their whole story.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For what it 's worth , they do not say he 's blind .
He 's visually impaired .
That does n't mean he 's blind to the point of not seeing , but he could be blind to the point of not having peripheral vision , or having blind spots , etc .
From TFA , it sounds like he ca n't see the entire screen at once , and wants some kind of way to know if something else is happening on the screen , IE having the screen flash red when hit , etc , like in many arcade games .
I 'm not blind , nor am I otherwise visually impaired , but I do n't like seeing people getting picked on without knowing their whole story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For what it's worth, they do not say he's blind.
He's visually impaired.
That doesn't mean he's blind to the point of not seeing, but he could be blind to the point of not having peripheral vision, or having blind spots, etc.
From TFA, it sounds like he can't see the entire screen at once, and wants some kind of way to know if something else is happening on the screen, IE having the screen flash red when hit, etc, like in many arcade games.
I'm not blind, nor am I otherwise visually impaired, but I don't like seeing people getting picked on without knowing their whole story.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019644</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257622440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, since the parades are generally to honor returned veterans or display marching bands, agriculture, etc.  The normal parts of society parade at holidays and usually sponsored by some other organization, such as the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade or the Tournament of Roses Parade.  You even start your sentence with "They" to indicate that you do not consider "them" to be normal parts of society.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , since the parades are generally to honor returned veterans or display marching bands , agriculture , etc .
The normal parts of society parade at holidays and usually sponsored by some other organization , such as the Macy 's Thanksgiving Parade or the Tournament of Roses Parade .
You even start your sentence with " They " to indicate that you do not consider " them " to be normal parts of society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, since the parades are generally to honor returned veterans or display marching bands, agriculture, etc.
The normal parts of society parade at holidays and usually sponsored by some other organization, such as the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade or the Tournament of Roses Parade.
You even start your sentence with "They" to indicate that you do not consider "them" to be normal parts of society.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016986</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015864</id>
	<title>If this keeps up...</title>
	<author>lobiusmoop</author>
	<datestamp>1257623340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if, given the shrinking US consumer market and growth of the East, there will come a point where the corporations apply 'A * B * C = X' and simply stop selling goods in America because it is cheaper to do that than to pay for the frivolous lawsuits and patent licensing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if , given the shrinking US consumer market and growth of the East , there will come a point where the corporations apply 'A * B * C = X ' and simply stop selling goods in America because it is cheaper to do that than to pay for the frivolous lawsuits and patent licensing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if, given the shrinking US consumer market and growth of the East, there will come a point where the corporations apply 'A * B * C = X' and simply stop selling goods in America because it is cheaper to do that than to pay for the frivolous lawsuits and patent licensing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017530</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257596100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your argument is terrible. You're basically saying that your purpose is to serve human kind and society. Well, that might as well be your purpose, who knows? It's not mine, though. I have no purpose, but society has the purpose of aiding me. If society doesn't aid me, then I don't care for it anymore. The blind guy is trying to make society help him, he's right on target. If he will succeed or not, who knows? But he gotta try.</p><p>Of course, in order to society to treat me right, I have to do a few things. I do them because I know society needs it in order to help me, otherwise I'd simple not do them. I mean, stealing a bank might be the best thing for a given person. Placing moral in so royal grounds is the path for unhappiness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your argument is terrible .
You 're basically saying that your purpose is to serve human kind and society .
Well , that might as well be your purpose , who knows ?
It 's not mine , though .
I have no purpose , but society has the purpose of aiding me .
If society does n't aid me , then I do n't care for it anymore .
The blind guy is trying to make society help him , he 's right on target .
If he will succeed or not , who knows ?
But he got ta try.Of course , in order to society to treat me right , I have to do a few things .
I do them because I know society needs it in order to help me , otherwise I 'd simple not do them .
I mean , stealing a bank might be the best thing for a given person .
Placing moral in so royal grounds is the path for unhappiness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your argument is terrible.
You're basically saying that your purpose is to serve human kind and society.
Well, that might as well be your purpose, who knows?
It's not mine, though.
I have no purpose, but society has the purpose of aiding me.
If society doesn't aid me, then I don't care for it anymore.
The blind guy is trying to make society help him, he's right on target.
If he will succeed or not, who knows?
But he gotta try.Of course, in order to society to treat me right, I have to do a few things.
I do them because I know society needs it in order to help me, otherwise I'd simple not do them.
I mean, stealing a bank might be the best thing for a given person.
Placing moral in so royal grounds is the path for unhappiness.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016336</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018640</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>ArsonSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1257607560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe you could sue nVidia for their new shutter based 3D glasses...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe you could sue nVidia for their new shutter based 3D glasses.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe you could sue nVidia for their new shutter based 3D glasses...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015084</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019904</id>
	<title>Re:Lets make this very clear!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257671520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He sould sue online porn providers since he can't see the naked chicks well enough to get a good stiffy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He sould sue online porn providers since he ca n't see the naked chicks well enough to get a good stiffy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He sould sue online porn providers since he can't see the naked chicks well enough to get a good stiffy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016364</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016052</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1257624540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There's a point where it's just being stupid to be pissed that you can't enjoy a visual medium if you're <b>blind.</b></p></div>
</blockquote><p>


I know that people don't read the articles, but I'll write this in bold and in caps so you can read it, since both you and the person doing the suing seem to have something in commoon: <b>LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THE SUMMARY - VISUALLY IMPAIRED GAMER SUES SONY</b>
</p><p>
He's not blind.  However, without seeing the communications he's had with Sony, there's no way to know if what he's asking is reasonable, or if the onus should be on him to acquire equipment that overcomes his visual problems.
</p><p>
Or he can just download pr0n until he goes blind, and then we can have this discussion again<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a point where it 's just being stupid to be pissed that you ca n't enjoy a visual medium if you 're blind .
I know that people do n't read the articles , but I 'll write this in bold and in caps so you can read it , since both you and the person doing the suing seem to have something in commoon : LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THE SUMMARY - VISUALLY IMPAIRED GAMER SUES SONY He 's not blind .
However , without seeing the communications he 's had with Sony , there 's no way to know if what he 's asking is reasonable , or if the onus should be on him to acquire equipment that overcomes his visual problems .
Or he can just download pr0n until he goes blind , and then we can have this discussion again : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a point where it's just being stupid to be pissed that you can't enjoy a visual medium if you're blind.
I know that people don't read the articles, but I'll write this in bold and in caps so you can read it, since both you and the person doing the suing seem to have something in commoon: LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THE SUMMARY - VISUALLY IMPAIRED GAMER SUES SONY

He's not blind.
However, without seeing the communications he's had with Sony, there's no way to know if what he's asking is reasonable, or if the onus should be on him to acquire equipment that overcomes his visual problems.
Or he can just download pr0n until he goes blind, and then we can have this discussion again :-)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015518</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30021258</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>mdarksbane</author>
	<datestamp>1257692580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even farmed out, this will cost thousands to tens of thousands of dollars. I completely agree that it would be a *good* thing for Sony to do. But they should definitely not be legally *required* to do it, and more importantly, this asshole should not be entitled to any cash because they didn't do it in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even farmed out , this will cost thousands to tens of thousands of dollars .
I completely agree that it would be a * good * thing for Sony to do .
But they should definitely not be legally * required * to do it , and more importantly , this asshole should not be entitled to any cash because they did n't do it in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even farmed out, this will cost thousands to tens of thousands of dollars.
I completely agree that it would be a *good* thing for Sony to do.
But they should definitely not be legally *required* to do it, and more importantly, this asshole should not be entitled to any cash because they didn't do it in the first place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016664</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015888</id>
	<title>Opinion from a blind guy</title>
	<author>GringoChapin</author>
	<datestamp>1257623400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am totally blind, and I have played video games, specifically Punch Out, so I can definitively say that it is possible, at least to play some games.  Whether or not this lawsuit is justified depends on many facts that haven't been revealed.

If this guy is expecting the game to be substantially altered, then I think he's wrong, and the ADA (based on my reading) would not support his position.  However, if he is simply asking Sony to add some small features to the game that would make it more accessible, then I think his suit is reasonable and he should win.

My understanding of the ADA is that it doesn't allow you to sue to change the laws of the universe.  It just allows you to sue when a company does not provide reasonable accommodation when it is within their power to reasonably do so.  Unfortunately, the definition of reasonable is quite relative.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am totally blind , and I have played video games , specifically Punch Out , so I can definitively say that it is possible , at least to play some games .
Whether or not this lawsuit is justified depends on many facts that have n't been revealed .
If this guy is expecting the game to be substantially altered , then I think he 's wrong , and the ADA ( based on my reading ) would not support his position .
However , if he is simply asking Sony to add some small features to the game that would make it more accessible , then I think his suit is reasonable and he should win .
My understanding of the ADA is that it does n't allow you to sue to change the laws of the universe .
It just allows you to sue when a company does not provide reasonable accommodation when it is within their power to reasonably do so .
Unfortunately , the definition of reasonable is quite relative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am totally blind, and I have played video games, specifically Punch Out, so I can definitively say that it is possible, at least to play some games.
Whether or not this lawsuit is justified depends on many facts that haven't been revealed.
If this guy is expecting the game to be substantially altered, then I think he's wrong, and the ADA (based on my reading) would not support his position.
However, if he is simply asking Sony to add some small features to the game that would make it more accessible, then I think his suit is reasonable and he should win.
My understanding of the ADA is that it doesn't allow you to sue to change the laws of the universe.
It just allows you to sue when a company does not provide reasonable accommodation when it is within their power to reasonably do so.
Unfortunately, the definition of reasonable is quite relative.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30020836</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>bdraschk</author>
	<datestamp>1257688680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could sue cinemas or film studios, for making the new 3D-craze not more accessible to you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could sue cinemas or film studios , for making the new 3D-craze not more accessible to you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could sue cinemas or film studios, for making the new 3D-craze not more accessible to you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015084</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015930</id>
	<title>Hmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257623760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a nasty problem with the "undue financial burden" clause.</p><p>See, it doesn't matter if your business would lose a bunch of money in providing reasonable accomodation so long as the amount of money is small compared to total revenues.  So, if it cost Sony 10 million/year to make games more accessible to the disabled, but only $10,000 more games were sold, then by the law Sony has to do it.  (since 10 mil is nothing compared to Sony's total revenues)</p><p>Yet, as a business decision, it's lousy.  No businessman would spend 10 million annually to gain 10k more annual revenue.</p><p>A doctor got sued over this.  He would have had to pay thousands of dollars to provide translators for a single deaf patient who was only paying him about $100/visit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a nasty problem with the " undue financial burden " clause.See , it does n't matter if your business would lose a bunch of money in providing reasonable accomodation so long as the amount of money is small compared to total revenues .
So , if it cost Sony 10 million/year to make games more accessible to the disabled , but only $ 10,000 more games were sold , then by the law Sony has to do it .
( since 10 mil is nothing compared to Sony 's total revenues ) Yet , as a business decision , it 's lousy .
No businessman would spend 10 million annually to gain 10k more annual revenue.A doctor got sued over this .
He would have had to pay thousands of dollars to provide translators for a single deaf patient who was only paying him about $ 100/visit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a nasty problem with the "undue financial burden" clause.See, it doesn't matter if your business would lose a bunch of money in providing reasonable accomodation so long as the amount of money is small compared to total revenues.
So, if it cost Sony 10 million/year to make games more accessible to the disabled, but only $10,000 more games were sold, then by the law Sony has to do it.
(since 10 mil is nothing compared to Sony's total revenues)Yet, as a business decision, it's lousy.
No businessman would spend 10 million annually to gain 10k more annual revenue.A doctor got sued over this.
He would have had to pay thousands of dollars to provide translators for a single deaf patient who was only paying him about $100/visit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30029320</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1257707760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He may have actually meant the word rather than the political sentiment. Or have politics so completely corrupted the meanings of the words associated with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He may have actually meant the word rather than the political sentiment .
Or have politics so completely corrupted the meanings of the words associated with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He may have actually meant the word rather than the political sentiment.
Or have politics so completely corrupted the meanings of the words associated with it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015328</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016358</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1257627360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The funny think is, that it's actually not politicizing. Because the difference between "liberal", "conservative", "left", "right" and all that shit is all just a illusion of a theater play anyway. Real politics are looong gone from the US government. Today it's a shop for companies. You buy the world to your way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The funny think is , that it 's actually not politicizing .
Because the difference between " liberal " , " conservative " , " left " , " right " and all that shit is all just a illusion of a theater play anyway .
Real politics are looong gone from the US government .
Today it 's a shop for companies .
You buy the world to your way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The funny think is, that it's actually not politicizing.
Because the difference between "liberal", "conservative", "left", "right" and all that shit is all just a illusion of a theater play anyway.
Real politics are looong gone from the US government.
Today it's a shop for companies.
You buy the world to your way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015328</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018604</id>
	<title>Re: disability lawsuits</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257606960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has gotten ridiculous.<br>GAME OVER MAN! GAME OVER.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has gotten ridiculous.GAME OVER MAN !
GAME OVER .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has gotten ridiculous.GAME OVER MAN!
GAME OVER.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019214</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257615420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great, so Sony should get this guy a blindfold and we can move on?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great , so Sony should get this guy a blindfold and we can move on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great, so Sony should get this guy a blindfold and we can move on?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015226</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016096</id>
	<title>Clearly it's a hardware issue</title>
	<author>rolfwind</author>
	<datestamp>1257624960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The software requirements clearly stated:</p><blockquote><div><p>Intel&#174; or AMD&#174; processor 2.0 GHz or greater<br>512 MB minimum, 2 GB recommended.<br>900 MB free disk space (which includes the 400 MB install footprint for a complete installation)<br>Graphics card supported by DirectX 9.0c. 256 MB of video RAM or higher is recommended.<br>Eyes (Ears optional but recommended)<br>2 Hands (Opposable Thumbs optional but recommended)</p></div></blockquote><p>Clearly, he should probably be suing the hardware manufacturer.  Let's hope his mom has some cash.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The software requirements clearly stated : Intel   or AMD   processor 2.0 GHz or greater512 MB minimum , 2 GB recommended.900 MB free disk space ( which includes the 400 MB install footprint for a complete installation ) Graphics card supported by DirectX 9.0c .
256 MB of video RAM or higher is recommended.Eyes ( Ears optional but recommended ) 2 Hands ( Opposable Thumbs optional but recommended ) Clearly , he should probably be suing the hardware manufacturer .
Let 's hope his mom has some cash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The software requirements clearly stated:Intel® or AMD® processor 2.0 GHz or greater512 MB minimum, 2 GB recommended.900 MB free disk space (which includes the 400 MB install footprint for a complete installation)Graphics card supported by DirectX 9.0c.
256 MB of video RAM or higher is recommended.Eyes (Ears optional but recommended)2 Hands (Opposable Thumbs optional but recommended)Clearly, he should probably be suing the hardware manufacturer.
Let's hope his mom has some cash.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015612</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015084</id>
	<title>What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257618300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd hate to to think what this guy would do when he realizes that cameras don't pander to the visually impaired market.  On the other hand,  I'm blind in one eye so maybe I can take a leaf out of his book and and sue camera companies anyway for products that don't suit my particular physical situation and finally realize that "??? profit" step.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd hate to to think what this guy would do when he realizes that cameras do n't pander to the visually impaired market .
On the other hand , I 'm blind in one eye so maybe I can take a leaf out of his book and and sue camera companies anyway for products that do n't suit my particular physical situation and finally realize that " ? ? ?
profit " step .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd hate to to think what this guy would do when he realizes that cameras don't pander to the visually impaired market.
On the other hand,  I'm blind in one eye so maybe I can take a leaf out of his book and and sue camera companies anyway for products that don't suit my particular physical situation and finally realize that "???
profit" step.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016028</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>Bazman</author>
	<datestamp>1257624360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Step 1 is nearly here for you - it's "wait for 3d to go mainstream".</p><p>I'm left-eyed, which makes cameras tricky to use since I can't look through the viewfinder and wind the film on - the winding mechanism is under my right eye. In the old days, that is! But there's a lot of things can't be done with just one eye, so start suing - guns, bow and arrows, cameras - are there left-eye versions?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Step 1 is nearly here for you - it 's " wait for 3d to go mainstream " .I 'm left-eyed , which makes cameras tricky to use since I ca n't look through the viewfinder and wind the film on - the winding mechanism is under my right eye .
In the old days , that is !
But there 's a lot of things ca n't be done with just one eye , so start suing - guns , bow and arrows , cameras - are there left-eye versions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Step 1 is nearly here for you - it's "wait for 3d to go mainstream".I'm left-eyed, which makes cameras tricky to use since I can't look through the viewfinder and wind the film on - the winding mechanism is under my right eye.
In the old days, that is!
But there's a lot of things can't be done with just one eye, so start suing - guns, bow and arrows, cameras - are there left-eye versions?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015084</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015940</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1257623880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>you have to have a significant impairment in a major life activity, which is a high standard to meet.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
DONE.  NEXT: The publishers of Playboy and Hustler are sued to be forced to include 4 Viagras with every copy sold to people with Erectile Dysfunction.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>you have to have a significant impairment in a major life activity , which is a high standard to meet .
DONE. NEXT : The publishers of Playboy and Hustler are sued to be forced to include 4 Viagras with every copy sold to people with Erectile Dysfunction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you have to have a significant impairment in a major life activity, which is a high standard to meet.
DONE.  NEXT: The publishers of Playboy and Hustler are sued to be forced to include 4 Viagras with every copy sold to people with Erectile Dysfunction.

	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015224</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015160</id>
	<title>Good luck with that?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257618720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Somehow, I doubt it would be easy to enable people who are BLIND to play video games.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</htmltext>
<tokenext>Somehow , I doubt it would be easy to enable people who are BLIND to play video games .
: /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somehow, I doubt it would be easy to enable people who are BLIND to play video games.
:/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015094</id>
	<title>this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257618360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was born with a crippled left hand making it impossible for me to play an immensely popular game, Guitar Hero.</p><p>Should I sue because they didn't accommodate for people with my particular disability?  Plenty of people are missing limbs.  Why aren't they in an uproar over Guitar Hero?</p><p>and what somebody sued and got 6 million dollars from the PGA?  I don't think Lee Travino's putting challenge has anywhere near the popularity of Guitar Hero.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was born with a crippled left hand making it impossible for me to play an immensely popular game , Guitar Hero.Should I sue because they did n't accommodate for people with my particular disability ?
Plenty of people are missing limbs .
Why are n't they in an uproar over Guitar Hero ? and what somebody sued and got 6 million dollars from the PGA ?
I do n't think Lee Travino 's putting challenge has anywhere near the popularity of Guitar Hero .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was born with a crippled left hand making it impossible for me to play an immensely popular game, Guitar Hero.Should I sue because they didn't accommodate for people with my particular disability?
Plenty of people are missing limbs.
Why aren't they in an uproar over Guitar Hero?and what somebody sued and got 6 million dollars from the PGA?
I don't think Lee Travino's putting challenge has anywhere near the popularity of Guitar Hero.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018760</id>
	<title>Car analogy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257609480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Blind/cripple whatever goes to a car dealership.. the building, toilets, water fountain should rightly be accessible to that person.</p><p>But this lawsuit now expects the car salesman to modify the car for his disability... for free?  The modifications for extended controls or whatever can cost thousands.</p><p>I feel for the handicapped but your accident/illness/affliction should in no way = free ride.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Blind/cripple whatever goes to a car dealership.. the building , toilets , water fountain should rightly be accessible to that person.But this lawsuit now expects the car salesman to modify the car for his disability... for free ?
The modifications for extended controls or whatever can cost thousands.I feel for the handicapped but your accident/illness/affliction should in no way = free ride .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blind/cripple whatever goes to a car dealership.. the building, toilets, water fountain should rightly be accessible to that person.But this lawsuit now expects the car salesman to modify the car for his disability... for free?
The modifications for extended controls or whatever can cost thousands.I feel for the handicapped but your accident/illness/affliction should in no way = free ride.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015486</id>
	<title>This is crap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257620760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a blind person I'd just like to say this is a load of crap. While you can make first person shooters like quake accessible see www.agrip.org.uk the changes needed to do so make it a totally different game. Face it there are some things you can't do while blind, these include first person shooters, being a fighter pilot, and driving. I'd just like to point out that the NFB does not represent most blind people, although there so vociferous in there opinion that blind people have to be able to do everything sited people do that they have a bigger impact then they deserve. Maybe I should spend all my time finding new corporations to sue so I can get on the front page of Slashdot instead of trying to live a normal life, going to work, and contributing to society? I'd love to see an NFB person respond and try to justify this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a blind person I 'd just like to say this is a load of crap .
While you can make first person shooters like quake accessible see www.agrip.org.uk the changes needed to do so make it a totally different game .
Face it there are some things you ca n't do while blind , these include first person shooters , being a fighter pilot , and driving .
I 'd just like to point out that the NFB does not represent most blind people , although there so vociferous in there opinion that blind people have to be able to do everything sited people do that they have a bigger impact then they deserve .
Maybe I should spend all my time finding new corporations to sue so I can get on the front page of Slashdot instead of trying to live a normal life , going to work , and contributing to society ?
I 'd love to see an NFB person respond and try to justify this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a blind person I'd just like to say this is a load of crap.
While you can make first person shooters like quake accessible see www.agrip.org.uk the changes needed to do so make it a totally different game.
Face it there are some things you can't do while blind, these include first person shooters, being a fighter pilot, and driving.
I'd just like to point out that the NFB does not represent most blind people, although there so vociferous in there opinion that blind people have to be able to do everything sited people do that they have a bigger impact then they deserve.
Maybe I should spend all my time finding new corporations to sue so I can get on the front page of Slashdot instead of trying to live a normal life, going to work, and contributing to society?
I'd love to see an NFB person respond and try to justify this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30043608</id>
	<title>If you're blind</title>
	<author>uninformedLuddite</author>
	<datestamp>1257850020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>then quite frankly that's YOUR problem. It shouldn't become the problem of a company that develops something specifically for a medium that REQUIRES you to be able to see. You don't like common sense yet? wait till it pushes the price of your game up and the quality of the build down. Some people will think I am being too harsh here but these sorts of things are being taken to ridiculous extremes. Maybe we need  a version of pong that uses sound to indicate bat and ball positioning? That's just stupid. Can deaf people sue the makers of MP3 players because they can't appreciate the music? Maybe we could create an MP3 player that converts the bass to a rhythmic tap on the forehead. I am all for installing ramps for people in wheelchairs and signs in braille but let's have some sensible limits. Should fat people who go shopping in their electric scooters get special preferences? or should they just put down that piece of chocolate fscking cake and get a sense of perspective. All these minority special interest groups are going to end up screwing everything up for the majority sooner or later. I personally can't wait to get my copy of Guitar Hero Nose! What makes this post even sicker is the fact that somewhere I have probably committed a hate crime - the world is going fscking crazy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>then quite frankly that 's YOUR problem .
It should n't become the problem of a company that develops something specifically for a medium that REQUIRES you to be able to see .
You do n't like common sense yet ?
wait till it pushes the price of your game up and the quality of the build down .
Some people will think I am being too harsh here but these sorts of things are being taken to ridiculous extremes .
Maybe we need a version of pong that uses sound to indicate bat and ball positioning ?
That 's just stupid .
Can deaf people sue the makers of MP3 players because they ca n't appreciate the music ?
Maybe we could create an MP3 player that converts the bass to a rhythmic tap on the forehead .
I am all for installing ramps for people in wheelchairs and signs in braille but let 's have some sensible limits .
Should fat people who go shopping in their electric scooters get special preferences ?
or should they just put down that piece of chocolate fscking cake and get a sense of perspective .
All these minority special interest groups are going to end up screwing everything up for the majority sooner or later .
I personally ca n't wait to get my copy of Guitar Hero Nose !
What makes this post even sicker is the fact that somewhere I have probably committed a hate crime - the world is going fscking crazy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>then quite frankly that's YOUR problem.
It shouldn't become the problem of a company that develops something specifically for a medium that REQUIRES you to be able to see.
You don't like common sense yet?
wait till it pushes the price of your game up and the quality of the build down.
Some people will think I am being too harsh here but these sorts of things are being taken to ridiculous extremes.
Maybe we need  a version of pong that uses sound to indicate bat and ball positioning?
That's just stupid.
Can deaf people sue the makers of MP3 players because they can't appreciate the music?
Maybe we could create an MP3 player that converts the bass to a rhythmic tap on the forehead.
I am all for installing ramps for people in wheelchairs and signs in braille but let's have some sensible limits.
Should fat people who go shopping in their electric scooters get special preferences?
or should they just put down that piece of chocolate fscking cake and get a sense of perspective.
All these minority special interest groups are going to end up screwing everything up for the majority sooner or later.
I personally can't wait to get my copy of Guitar Hero Nose!
What makes this post even sicker is the fact that somewhere I have probably committed a hate crime - the world is going fscking crazy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015734</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Xaoswolf</author>
	<datestamp>1257622440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>SD tvs are a thing of the past.  Can you even still buy a SD TV?  Maybe if you are going to walmart and buying the 6 inch B&amp;W TV on the bargain shelf.  Technology changes, if you are playing HD games on a SD TV, it's possibly time to upgrade.<p>Also, I'm color blind, but I don't get pissy when a game comes out that involves matching colors.  I cannot play boogie bunnies.  Simply cannot.  I haven't lost any sleep over it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SD tvs are a thing of the past .
Can you even still buy a SD TV ?
Maybe if you are going to walmart and buying the 6 inch B&amp;W TV on the bargain shelf .
Technology changes , if you are playing HD games on a SD TV , it 's possibly time to upgrade.Also , I 'm color blind , but I do n't get pissy when a game comes out that involves matching colors .
I can not play boogie bunnies .
Simply can not .
I have n't lost any sleep over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SD tvs are a thing of the past.
Can you even still buy a SD TV?
Maybe if you are going to walmart and buying the 6 inch B&amp;W TV on the bargain shelf.
Technology changes, if you are playing HD games on a SD TV, it's possibly time to upgrade.Also, I'm color blind, but I don't get pissy when a game comes out that involves matching colors.
I cannot play boogie bunnies.
Simply cannot.
I haven't lost any sleep over it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015454</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015744</id>
	<title>Restore Spartan Eunomia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257622500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's the only way to be sure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the only way to be sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the only way to be sure.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016512</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that?</title>
	<author>Rallion</author>
	<datestamp>1257585900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those are examples of how relatively minor sections of a game could be made blind-friendly, not an entire game. They're also things that generally fall under the category of HUD-type elements. Imagine trying to play a game where the only thing that rendered is the HUD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those are examples of how relatively minor sections of a game could be made blind-friendly , not an entire game .
They 're also things that generally fall under the category of HUD-type elements .
Imagine trying to play a game where the only thing that rendered is the HUD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those are examples of how relatively minor sections of a game could be made blind-friendly, not an entire game.
They're also things that generally fall under the category of HUD-type elements.
Imagine trying to play a game where the only thing that rendered is the HUD.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015282</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30034146</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257787620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Uhh, I am about as liberal as it gets for a Slashdotter and I don't think that is a liberal opinion.  It's a stupid opinion.  People with handicaps should have access to all the essential of living in our society.  Video games are not one of them.  If a game maker/hardware company wants to provide for people with disabilities, great, buy that product.  If not, don't sue a company to force them to cater to your will.  If we could do that I would sue Amazon so that they could also deliver groceries to my house.  Damn that would be awesome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Uhh , I am about as liberal as it gets for a Slashdotter and I do n't think that is a liberal opinion .
It 's a stupid opinion .
People with handicaps should have access to all the essential of living in our society .
Video games are not one of them .
If a game maker/hardware company wants to provide for people with disabilities , great , buy that product .
If not , do n't sue a company to force them to cater to your will .
If we could do that I would sue Amazon so that they could also deliver groceries to my house .
Damn that would be awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uhh, I am about as liberal as it gets for a Slashdotter and I don't think that is a liberal opinion.
It's a stupid opinion.
People with handicaps should have access to all the essential of living in our society.
Video games are not one of them.
If a game maker/hardware company wants to provide for people with disabilities, great, buy that product.
If not, don't sue a company to force them to cater to your will.
If we could do that I would sue Amazon so that they could also deliver groceries to my house.
Damn that would be awesome.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015136</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016138</id>
	<title>And his name is...</title>
	<author>kitsunewarlock</author>
	<datestamp>1257625320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well I'm blind and I manage to win at everything I do.  I can even post quickly.
<br> <br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjh61UUv6wA" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjh61UUv6wA</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I 'm blind and I manage to win at everything I do .
I can even post quickly .
http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = Bjh61UUv6wA [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I'm blind and I manage to win at everything I do.
I can even post quickly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjh61UUv6wA [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018382</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257604200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to disagree I'm suing the NFL because I'm to fat to run and I'm suing the NBA because I can't jump.</p><p>1. Define my disability:  Lard Ass<br>2. ???<br>3. Profits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to disagree I 'm suing the NFL because I 'm to fat to run and I 'm suing the NBA because I ca n't jump.1 .
Define my disability : Lard Ass2 .
? ? ? 3. Profits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to disagree I'm suing the NFL because I'm to fat to run and I'm suing the NBA because I can't jump.1.
Define my disability:  Lard Ass2.
???3. Profits.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015136</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019152</id>
	<title>FPS</title>
	<author>Secret Rabbit</author>
	<datestamp>1257614580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How exactly is a blind person supposed to play a FPS?  How about something as simple as a platformer?  Simply put, video games are a visual medium.  Unless that game is specifically targeted towards the blind, this isn't going to happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How exactly is a blind person supposed to play a FPS ?
How about something as simple as a platformer ?
Simply put , video games are a visual medium .
Unless that game is specifically targeted towards the blind , this is n't going to happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How exactly is a blind person supposed to play a FPS?
How about something as simple as a platformer?
Simply put, video games are a visual medium.
Unless that game is specifically targeted towards the blind, this isn't going to happen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015754</id>
	<title>Re:I don't get it</title>
	<author>old and new again</author>
	<datestamp>1257622560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>but most of sony artists are to be listened only by deaf people, the music is so crappy and annoying and the autotuned whores that sing over it are so painfull to the hearing people</htmltext>
<tokenext>but most of sony artists are to be listened only by deaf people , the music is so crappy and annoying and the autotuned whores that sing over it are so painfull to the hearing people</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but most of sony artists are to be listened only by deaf people, the music is so crappy and annoying and the autotuned whores that sing over it are so painfull to the hearing people</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015150</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015560</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1257621360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm a lawyer, but not yours. I wouldn't represent someone who thinks taking legal advice from Slashdot is a good idea.</p></div><p>That's the best Slashdot disclaimer I've seen yet.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a lawyer , but not yours .
I would n't represent someone who thinks taking legal advice from Slashdot is a good idea.That 's the best Slashdot disclaimer I 've seen yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a lawyer, but not yours.
I wouldn't represent someone who thinks taking legal advice from Slashdot is a good idea.That's the best Slashdot disclaimer I've seen yet.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015518</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>wgoodman</author>
	<datestamp>1257621000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Should all movies be modified so blind people can enjoy them like us bastards who can see?<br>Should all music players be required to blink lights to the beat and show subtitles so deaf people can enjoy the music too (but that would be unfair to deaf epileptics)</p><p>The ADA at amusement parks is more along the lines of making sure a person with no legs can get on a roller coaster, not making sure the blind guy can win the ball toss.</p><p>There's a point where it's just being stupid to be pissed that you can't enjoy a visual medium if you're blind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should all movies be modified so blind people can enjoy them like us bastards who can see ? Should all music players be required to blink lights to the beat and show subtitles so deaf people can enjoy the music too ( but that would be unfair to deaf epileptics ) The ADA at amusement parks is more along the lines of making sure a person with no legs can get on a roller coaster , not making sure the blind guy can win the ball toss.There 's a point where it 's just being stupid to be pissed that you ca n't enjoy a visual medium if you 're blind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should all movies be modified so blind people can enjoy them like us bastards who can see?Should all music players be required to blink lights to the beat and show subtitles so deaf people can enjoy the music too (but that would be unfair to deaf epileptics)The ADA at amusement parks is more along the lines of making sure a person with no legs can get on a roller coaster, not making sure the blind guy can win the ball toss.There's a point where it's just being stupid to be pissed that you can't enjoy a visual medium if you're blind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019682</id>
	<title>wheres that bag?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257623280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sorry he's gimp and all that, but fark him...</p><p>Prototype and CODII weren't designed with his "special needs" in mind. I know a fun game that has could be the rage for you gimp people - it's called" Marco-Polo".</p><p>File a lawsuit for own $$$ gain on behalf of every non-gimp.. I hope your rusty wheelchair gives you tetanus..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sorry he 's gimp and all that , but fark him...Prototype and CODII were n't designed with his " special needs " in mind .
I know a fun game that has could be the rage for you gimp people - it 's called " Marco-Polo " .File a lawsuit for own $ $ $ gain on behalf of every non-gimp.. I hope your rusty wheelchair gives you tetanus. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sorry he's gimp and all that, but fark him...Prototype and CODII weren't designed with his "special needs" in mind.
I know a fun game that has could be the rage for you gimp people - it's called" Marco-Polo".File a lawsuit for own $$$ gain on behalf of every non-gimp.. I hope your rusty wheelchair gives you tetanus..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015148</id>
	<title>And in other news ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257618600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A visually impaired reader is suing Barnes and Noble because their books are inaccessible to the blind.<br>
A hearing impaired man is suing the RIAA for producing music that the deaf can't hear.<br>
A paraplegic is suing Harley Davidson because their motorbikes are difficult to ride without the use of your arms.<br>
A person with learning difficulties is suing Canonical because they can't figure out how to operate the terminal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A visually impaired reader is suing Barnes and Noble because their books are inaccessible to the blind .
A hearing impaired man is suing the RIAA for producing music that the deaf ca n't hear .
A paraplegic is suing Harley Davidson because their motorbikes are difficult to ride without the use of your arms .
A person with learning difficulties is suing Canonical because they ca n't figure out how to operate the terminal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A visually impaired reader is suing Barnes and Noble because their books are inaccessible to the blind.
A hearing impaired man is suing the RIAA for producing music that the deaf can't hear.
A paraplegic is suing Harley Davidson because their motorbikes are difficult to ride without the use of your arms.
A person with learning difficulties is suing Canonical because they can't figure out how to operate the terminal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018210</id>
	<title>The Target Case</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257602400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's worth noting that the reason the Target case was mentioned in the summary, is because it was about target.com (just the website).  If that could settle for millions, he might have a pretty good case assuming he is right on the facts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's worth noting that the reason the Target case was mentioned in the summary , is because it was about target.com ( just the website ) .
If that could settle for millions , he might have a pretty good case assuming he is right on the facts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's worth noting that the reason the Target case was mentioned in the summary, is because it was about target.com (just the website).
If that could settle for millions, he might have a pretty good case assuming he is right on the facts.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015226</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257619020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you remember the old laser disc game, "The Dragon's Lair"? The sound track was very linked to events in the game: only two of them, where the scene would be reversed left-right randomly. I actually saw someone play it blindfolded, as proof that it could be done, with the cheering crowd telling him to go left or right for that pair of scenes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you remember the old laser disc game , " The Dragon 's Lair " ?
The sound track was very linked to events in the game : only two of them , where the scene would be reversed left-right randomly .
I actually saw someone play it blindfolded , as proof that it could be done , with the cheering crowd telling him to go left or right for that pair of scenes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you remember the old laser disc game, "The Dragon's Lair"?
The sound track was very linked to events in the game: only two of them, where the scene would be reversed left-right randomly.
I actually saw someone play it blindfolded, as proof that it could be done, with the cheering crowd telling him to go left or right for that pair of scenes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015584</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257621600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This isn't a liberal/conservative/libertarian issue.  I'm fairly liberal myself and I'm left wondering if they can sue publishers for not having all of their books on tape.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't a liberal/conservative/libertarian issue .
I 'm fairly liberal myself and I 'm left wondering if they can sue publishers for not having all of their books on tape .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't a liberal/conservative/libertarian issue.
I'm fairly liberal myself and I'm left wondering if they can sue publishers for not having all of their books on tape.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015500</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257620880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last time I checked, cameras don't require stereoscopic vision to operate or view the results of.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last time I checked , cameras do n't require stereoscopic vision to operate or view the results of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time I checked, cameras don't require stereoscopic vision to operate or view the results of.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30034324</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257788400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You chose to be out of shape, he didnt choose to be blind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You chose to be out of shape , he didnt choose to be blind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You chose to be out of shape, he didnt choose to be blind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018310</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>tonycheese</author>
	<datestamp>1257603300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, I mean in those cases you're CELEBRATING or HONORING something. We have Thanksgiving Day parades for Thanksgiving and parades for veterans to honor their sacrifice and accomplishments. It's not that he hates gay people (or at least, nothing in his post seems to indicate that), it's just that gay pride parades are celebrating the fact that they're gay. It's not that the parades are what's preventing them from being a normal part of the society, it's the fact that society has driven them to have to even hold these parades over something that shouldn't be a big deal (depending on your viewpoint, of course).</p><p>Of course, he did say "we are so special" when describing the parades and I'm guessing that's probably what ticked you off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , I mean in those cases you 're CELEBRATING or HONORING something .
We have Thanksgiving Day parades for Thanksgiving and parades for veterans to honor their sacrifice and accomplishments .
It 's not that he hates gay people ( or at least , nothing in his post seems to indicate that ) , it 's just that gay pride parades are celebrating the fact that they 're gay .
It 's not that the parades are what 's preventing them from being a normal part of the society , it 's the fact that society has driven them to have to even hold these parades over something that should n't be a big deal ( depending on your viewpoint , of course ) .Of course , he did say " we are so special " when describing the parades and I 'm guessing that 's probably what ticked you off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, I mean in those cases you're CELEBRATING or HONORING something.
We have Thanksgiving Day parades for Thanksgiving and parades for veterans to honor their sacrifice and accomplishments.
It's not that he hates gay people (or at least, nothing in his post seems to indicate that), it's just that gay pride parades are celebrating the fact that they're gay.
It's not that the parades are what's preventing them from being a normal part of the society, it's the fact that society has driven them to have to even hold these parades over something that shouldn't be a big deal (depending on your viewpoint, of course).Of course, he did say "we are so special" when describing the parades and I'm guessing that's probably what ticked you off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015300</id>
	<title>Re:OS-impaired</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257619500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>lol way to go, thats definitely the image linux needs.. "Running Linux is a disability"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lol way to go , thats definitely the image linux needs.. " Running Linux is a disability "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lol way to go, thats definitely the image linux needs.. "Running Linux is a disability"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018488</id>
	<title>Gets ridiculous</title>
	<author>Gravis187</author>
	<datestamp>1257605280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I worked for a test-prep company and everytime we got someone with a visual or hearing impairment we dreaded it.  Since the offices had their own budgets, it could be extremely expensive to get materials printed or provide sign interpreters for these folks (interpreters could run $100/hr with all their expenses).  I don't wish the afflictions on anyone, but it was just so expensive to accomodate, and seems like there could be a better system.</p><p>Even scarier, my good friend went to a top 10 med school and there was a legally blind girl there that wanted to be a doctor.  She had alot of problems and it was so expensive for the school to provide her with special equipment to be able to blurrily see things she couldn't see anyways.  She had a really hard time getting a residency, and I don't think she ever got into a good residency program.  Would you want a doctor examining you who couldn't see you clearly?   I wanted to go to Med School too, but I didnt have the stomach for the smells and sights of it.  If I have the grades and the MCAT scores, should the school allow me not to look at the corpses and not have to do the nasty stuff?  I don't think so.  How about I go and do something that I actually can do.  People with visual disabilities can do so many things, and its not society's fault that there will unfortunately be a handful of things out of reach or prohibitively expensive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked for a test-prep company and everytime we got someone with a visual or hearing impairment we dreaded it .
Since the offices had their own budgets , it could be extremely expensive to get materials printed or provide sign interpreters for these folks ( interpreters could run $ 100/hr with all their expenses ) .
I do n't wish the afflictions on anyone , but it was just so expensive to accomodate , and seems like there could be a better system.Even scarier , my good friend went to a top 10 med school and there was a legally blind girl there that wanted to be a doctor .
She had alot of problems and it was so expensive for the school to provide her with special equipment to be able to blurrily see things she could n't see anyways .
She had a really hard time getting a residency , and I do n't think she ever got into a good residency program .
Would you want a doctor examining you who could n't see you clearly ?
I wanted to go to Med School too , but I didnt have the stomach for the smells and sights of it .
If I have the grades and the MCAT scores , should the school allow me not to look at the corpses and not have to do the nasty stuff ?
I do n't think so .
How about I go and do something that I actually can do .
People with visual disabilities can do so many things , and its not society 's fault that there will unfortunately be a handful of things out of reach or prohibitively expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked for a test-prep company and everytime we got someone with a visual or hearing impairment we dreaded it.
Since the offices had their own budgets, it could be extremely expensive to get materials printed or provide sign interpreters for these folks (interpreters could run $100/hr with all their expenses).
I don't wish the afflictions on anyone, but it was just so expensive to accomodate, and seems like there could be a better system.Even scarier, my good friend went to a top 10 med school and there was a legally blind girl there that wanted to be a doctor.
She had alot of problems and it was so expensive for the school to provide her with special equipment to be able to blurrily see things she couldn't see anyways.
She had a really hard time getting a residency, and I don't think she ever got into a good residency program.
Would you want a doctor examining you who couldn't see you clearly?
I wanted to go to Med School too, but I didnt have the stomach for the smells and sights of it.
If I have the grades and the MCAT scores, should the school allow me not to look at the corpses and not have to do the nasty stuff?
I don't think so.
How about I go and do something that I actually can do.
People with visual disabilities can do so many things, and its not society's fault that there will unfortunately be a handful of things out of reach or prohibitively expensive.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30032020</id>
	<title>Re:Opinion from a blind guy</title>
	<author>craagz</author>
	<datestamp>1257778920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why don't you try the screen reader, you will know very quickly. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS\_(screen\_reader)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow"> JAWS</a> [wikipedia.org] i think is very ubiquitous.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't you try the screen reader , you will know very quickly .
JAWS [ wikipedia.org ] i think is very ubiquitous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't you try the screen reader, you will know very quickly.
JAWS [wikipedia.org] i think is very ubiquitous.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018334</id>
	<title>What a slippery slope we're perched upon.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257603660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay, so, let's say the guy has a valid point. Sony now needs to remove the parts of the game where vision makes a difference because blind people can't play.</p><p>But wait, the quadraparaplegics can't do that twitch part<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so now the twitch parts have to go.</p><p>Oh, wait a sec, we're forgetting the insane, now we need to remove the hard puzzles that might baffle the insane mind.</p><p>Oh, and let's not forget the "mentally challenged", so now we need to remove all the easy parts too.</p><p>So, now you get a game where you click a button and a screen pops up saying "You win!". Oh, wait, we've already discussed that clicking bit so it'll just autoplay the "You win!" screen.</p><p>I'm actually a long time advocate of accessible website creation but geez, give it a rest already, you're alienating your allies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , so , let 's say the guy has a valid point .
Sony now needs to remove the parts of the game where vision makes a difference because blind people ca n't play.But wait , the quadraparaplegics ca n't do that twitch part ... so now the twitch parts have to go.Oh , wait a sec , we 're forgetting the insane , now we need to remove the hard puzzles that might baffle the insane mind.Oh , and let 's not forget the " mentally challenged " , so now we need to remove all the easy parts too.So , now you get a game where you click a button and a screen pops up saying " You win ! " .
Oh , wait , we 've already discussed that clicking bit so it 'll just autoplay the " You win !
" screen.I 'm actually a long time advocate of accessible website creation but geez , give it a rest already , you 're alienating your allies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, so, let's say the guy has a valid point.
Sony now needs to remove the parts of the game where vision makes a difference because blind people can't play.But wait, the quadraparaplegics can't do that twitch part ... so now the twitch parts have to go.Oh, wait a sec, we're forgetting the insane, now we need to remove the hard puzzles that might baffle the insane mind.Oh, and let's not forget the "mentally challenged", so now we need to remove all the easy parts too.So, now you get a game where you click a button and a screen pops up saying "You win!".
Oh, wait, we've already discussed that clicking bit so it'll just autoplay the "You win!
" screen.I'm actually a long time advocate of accessible website creation but geez, give it a rest already, you're alienating your allies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017094</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257591600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;And I don't think he has a urge to have a low self-esteem because of his disadvantages.</p><p>Why don't you ask him.</p><p>And then why don't you ask a few thousand other people with similar disabilities how they feel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; And I do n't think he has a urge to have a low self-esteem because of his disadvantages.Why do n't you ask him.And then why do n't you ask a few thousand other people with similar disabilities how they feel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;And I don't think he has a urge to have a low self-esteem because of his disadvantages.Why don't you ask him.And then why don't you ask a few thousand other people with similar disabilities how they feel.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30046510</id>
	<title>There is a word</title>
	<author>kenp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1257872700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It's not the law, it's the plaintiff stupid."</p><p>Ok for those that don't get that it's a play on the frequent bumpersticker:</p><p>"It's not the guns, it's the criminal stupid."</p><p>Until judges start holding people accountable for abusing the legal system this will continue. No law will ever be abuse proof. Until the Bar starts holding lawyers accountable for taking frivolous suits, this will continue.</p><p>The problem is the plaintiff not the law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It 's not the law , it 's the plaintiff stupid .
" Ok for those that do n't get that it 's a play on the frequent bumpersticker : " It 's not the guns , it 's the criminal stupid .
" Until judges start holding people accountable for abusing the legal system this will continue .
No law will ever be abuse proof .
Until the Bar starts holding lawyers accountable for taking frivolous suits , this will continue.The problem is the plaintiff not the law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It's not the law, it's the plaintiff stupid.
"Ok for those that don't get that it's a play on the frequent bumpersticker:"It's not the guns, it's the criminal stupid.
"Until judges start holding people accountable for abusing the legal system this will continue.
No law will ever be abuse proof.
Until the Bar starts holding lawyers accountable for taking frivolous suits, this will continue.The problem is the plaintiff not the law.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018498</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257605460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, making books available for the blind is a specific matter handled in the copyright law.   If you are blind, you can get any book available for you in audio or braille form, and if some publisher tried to prevent it, well, then they could be sued.</p><p>I'm not sure if the publishers have to do anything themselves, mind you, but they might or might not.  At the least in the US, it's paid for somewhat by taxes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , making books available for the blind is a specific matter handled in the copyright law .
If you are blind , you can get any book available for you in audio or braille form , and if some publisher tried to prevent it , well , then they could be sued.I 'm not sure if the publishers have to do anything themselves , mind you , but they might or might not .
At the least in the US , it 's paid for somewhat by taxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, making books available for the blind is a specific matter handled in the copyright law.
If you are blind, you can get any book available for you in audio or braille form, and if some publisher tried to prevent it, well, then they could be sued.I'm not sure if the publishers have to do anything themselves, mind you, but they might or might not.
At the least in the US, it's paid for somewhat by taxes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017794</id>
	<title>Are you kinding me?</title>
	<author>Ribbons Almark</author>
	<datestamp>1257598500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is stupid. How is a visual based company suppose to be more viable to a blind man? This would like if this guy sued Honda or GM or Ford. I'm blind but I want to drive a car. Make your car more viable so I can drive? YOUR BLIND YOU CANT DRIVE A CAR YOU WILL KILL SOME ONE OR YOURSELF DEAL WITH IT! Further more. YOUR BLIND YOU CANT PLAY VIDEO GAMES OR WATCH TV WHY ARE YOU SUEING SONY? Did Sony make you blind? Where you playing with the beta controller that looked like a batarang and get it stuck in your eyes? Seriously?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is stupid .
How is a visual based company suppose to be more viable to a blind man ?
This would like if this guy sued Honda or GM or Ford .
I 'm blind but I want to drive a car .
Make your car more viable so I can drive ?
YOUR BLIND YOU CANT DRIVE A CAR YOU WILL KILL SOME ONE OR YOURSELF DEAL WITH IT !
Further more .
YOUR BLIND YOU CANT PLAY VIDEO GAMES OR WATCH TV WHY ARE YOU SUEING SONY ?
Did Sony make you blind ?
Where you playing with the beta controller that looked like a batarang and get it stuck in your eyes ?
Seriously ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is stupid.
How is a visual based company suppose to be more viable to a blind man?
This would like if this guy sued Honda or GM or Ford.
I'm blind but I want to drive a car.
Make your car more viable so I can drive?
YOUR BLIND YOU CANT DRIVE A CAR YOU WILL KILL SOME ONE OR YOURSELF DEAL WITH IT!
Further more.
YOUR BLIND YOU CANT PLAY VIDEO GAMES OR WATCH TV WHY ARE YOU SUEING SONY?
Did Sony make you blind?
Where you playing with the beta controller that looked like a batarang and get it stuck in your eyes?
Seriously?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016336</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1257627180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. The problem is, that the line got lost. The line that should be drawn between treating people equally, and preferring a specific group.</p><p>The whole concept of making people who are different "special" is the exact opposite of equality. (equality is zero, "special" is positive infinity). It's just as bad as treating people badly. (negative infinity)<br>Also. As the scale is not absolute but relative, treating someone better, means treating everyone else worse. Depends on your standpoint.</p><p>The only difference? Preferring people with disadvantages, is preferring disadvantages for society. Not a wise move...</p><p>I wish to be treated for *exactly* what I am. (If the person is able to know what I am.) If I am bad at something, don't fuckin' say it is OK! It is NOT! I have to work on that, to be successful in evolution! Period. And if someone is better than me, I don't call him an ass because he says so. If he is right, he has all rights to say so! I can be proud, because he makes humanity as a whole better. Everything else would just be pathetic jealousy of someone with a low self-esteem.</p><p>Hawking is a great example. I am better at moving than he is. And I can say that. He is a total genius in physics. And I don't think he has a urge to have a low self-esteem because of his disadvantages. Just as I don't have low self-esteem because of mine.</p><p>Conclusion: That's the funny thing:<br>- You can measure the integration of black people in America by the amount of talk that still is needed to mention equality (as something special).<br>- Gays only will become normal parts of society, when the need for a "we are so special" parade goes away.<br>- Feminism only will have reached its final goal, when it stops existing.<br>- Etc, etc, etc.<br>Because not the other extreme is the goal. A loose swinging around the origin between the extremes is.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
The problem is , that the line got lost .
The line that should be drawn between treating people equally , and preferring a specific group.The whole concept of making people who are different " special " is the exact opposite of equality .
( equality is zero , " special " is positive infinity ) .
It 's just as bad as treating people badly .
( negative infinity ) Also .
As the scale is not absolute but relative , treating someone better , means treating everyone else worse .
Depends on your standpoint.The only difference ?
Preferring people with disadvantages , is preferring disadvantages for society .
Not a wise move...I wish to be treated for * exactly * what I am .
( If the person is able to know what I am .
) If I am bad at something , do n't fuckin ' say it is OK !
It is NOT !
I have to work on that , to be successful in evolution !
Period. And if someone is better than me , I do n't call him an ass because he says so .
If he is right , he has all rights to say so !
I can be proud , because he makes humanity as a whole better .
Everything else would just be pathetic jealousy of someone with a low self-esteem.Hawking is a great example .
I am better at moving than he is .
And I can say that .
He is a total genius in physics .
And I do n't think he has a urge to have a low self-esteem because of his disadvantages .
Just as I do n't have low self-esteem because of mine.Conclusion : That 's the funny thing : - You can measure the integration of black people in America by the amount of talk that still is needed to mention equality ( as something special ) .- Gays only will become normal parts of society , when the need for a " we are so special " parade goes away.- Feminism only will have reached its final goal , when it stops existing.- Etc , etc , etc.Because not the other extreme is the goal .
A loose swinging around the origin between the extremes is .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
The problem is, that the line got lost.
The line that should be drawn between treating people equally, and preferring a specific group.The whole concept of making people who are different "special" is the exact opposite of equality.
(equality is zero, "special" is positive infinity).
It's just as bad as treating people badly.
(negative infinity)Also.
As the scale is not absolute but relative, treating someone better, means treating everyone else worse.
Depends on your standpoint.The only difference?
Preferring people with disadvantages, is preferring disadvantages for society.
Not a wise move...I wish to be treated for *exactly* what I am.
(If the person is able to know what I am.
) If I am bad at something, don't fuckin' say it is OK!
It is NOT!
I have to work on that, to be successful in evolution!
Period. And if someone is better than me, I don't call him an ass because he says so.
If he is right, he has all rights to say so!
I can be proud, because he makes humanity as a whole better.
Everything else would just be pathetic jealousy of someone with a low self-esteem.Hawking is a great example.
I am better at moving than he is.
And I can say that.
He is a total genius in physics.
And I don't think he has a urge to have a low self-esteem because of his disadvantages.
Just as I don't have low self-esteem because of mine.Conclusion: That's the funny thing:- You can measure the integration of black people in America by the amount of talk that still is needed to mention equality (as something special).- Gays only will become normal parts of society, when the need for a "we are so special" parade goes away.- Feminism only will have reached its final goal, when it stops existing.- Etc, etc, etc.Because not the other extreme is the goal.
A loose swinging around the origin between the extremes is.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017408</id>
	<title>Baseball bats</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257594960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Baseball bat manufacturers are next.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Baseball bat manufacturers are next .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Baseball bat manufacturers are next.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015152</id>
	<title>I doubt it'll provide more profit for Sony</title>
	<author>TheLink</author>
	<datestamp>1257618660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I doubt it'll provide more profit for Sony. But if Sony lose and are forced to mod their MMORPGs, I think it may mean more profit for gold farmers. Some of the mods are likely to make it easier for bots to navigate and do stuff<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt it 'll provide more profit for Sony .
But if Sony lose and are forced to mod their MMORPGs , I think it may mean more profit for gold farmers .
Some of the mods are likely to make it easier for bots to navigate and do stuff : ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt it'll provide more profit for Sony.
But if Sony lose and are forced to mod their MMORPGs, I think it may mean more profit for gold farmers.
Some of the mods are likely to make it easier for bots to navigate and do stuff :).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015716</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1257622320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait - you mean that I shouldn't sue the Olympics commission?  I can't run as fast or as long as some of those Olympics runners.  You don't think they should set their standards lower, so that I can compete?</p><p>(I should note that I really was a damned good runner - 35 years ago, lol.  Give me another decade, maybe I can compete in the geriatrics division!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait - you mean that I should n't sue the Olympics commission ?
I ca n't run as fast or as long as some of those Olympics runners .
You do n't think they should set their standards lower , so that I can compete ?
( I should note that I really was a damned good runner - 35 years ago , lol .
Give me another decade , maybe I can compete in the geriatrics division !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait - you mean that I shouldn't sue the Olympics commission?
I can't run as fast or as long as some of those Olympics runners.
You don't think they should set their standards lower, so that I can compete?
(I should note that I really was a damned good runner - 35 years ago, lol.
Give me another decade, maybe I can compete in the geriatrics division!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015426</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>arthurpaliden</author>
	<datestamp>1257620400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Won't work unless they are stereo cameras because in normal cameras the pictures all come out exacty as you see the world. Flat.</p><p>Which is a blessing if you are married becasue you can always cop out of the question, "Does the new ### make me look fat?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wo n't work unless they are stereo cameras because in normal cameras the pictures all come out exacty as you see the world .
Flat.Which is a blessing if you are married becasue you can always cop out of the question , " Does the new # # # make me look fat ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Won't work unless they are stereo cameras because in normal cameras the pictures all come out exacty as you see the world.
Flat.Which is a blessing if you are married becasue you can always cop out of the question, "Does the new ### make me look fat?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015638</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1257621960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"No, your fat ass makes you look fat" is the answer of champions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" No , your fat ass makes you look fat " is the answer of champions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"No, your fat ass makes you look fat" is the answer of champions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30020524</id>
	<title>Re:Lets make this very clear!</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1257683580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So can I make it my full-time job to enforce federal laws in my spare time and make money at it too?  I know which law I want to enforce...</htmltext>
<tokenext>So can I make it my full-time job to enforce federal laws in my spare time and make money at it too ?
I know which law I want to enforce.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So can I make it my full-time job to enforce federal laws in my spare time and make money at it too?
I know which law I want to enforce...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019562</id>
	<title>Where is John Galt?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257621000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, where is he?  I'm blind and I can't see him.  Anyone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , where is he ?
I 'm blind and I ca n't see him .
Anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, where is he?
I'm blind and I can't see him.
Anyone?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30020020</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1257674220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Should I sue because they didn't accommodate for people with my particular disability? Plenty of people are missing limbs. Why aren't they in an uproar over Guitar Hero?</p></div><p>They might be actually, but are in line behind <a href="http://www.out-law.com/page-8685" title="out-law.com">pathetic one hit wonders mad that the guitar hero version sounds like the original song</a> [out-law.com], <a href="http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/10/courtney-love-to-sue-activision-over-guitar-hero-5s-reanimated/" title="joystiq.com">a talentless trailer trash bimbo suing because she thinks her dead husband is copyrighted</a> [joystiq.com], and <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/02/gibson-loses-guitar-hero-patent-lawsuit-booed-off-stage/" title="engadget.com">a delusional guitar maker that seems to claim a patent on pretending you're playing guitar without actually playing guitar.</a> [engadget.com]</p><p>Whatever court hears completely bat-shit insane lawsuits by greedy jerks trying to get money they didn't earn from successful games must be pretty backlogged.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Should I sue because they did n't accommodate for people with my particular disability ?
Plenty of people are missing limbs .
Why are n't they in an uproar over Guitar Hero ? They might be actually , but are in line behind pathetic one hit wonders mad that the guitar hero version sounds like the original song [ out-law.com ] , a talentless trailer trash bimbo suing because she thinks her dead husband is copyrighted [ joystiq.com ] , and a delusional guitar maker that seems to claim a patent on pretending you 're playing guitar without actually playing guitar .
[ engadget.com ] Whatever court hears completely bat-shit insane lawsuits by greedy jerks trying to get money they did n't earn from successful games must be pretty backlogged .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should I sue because they didn't accommodate for people with my particular disability?
Plenty of people are missing limbs.
Why aren't they in an uproar over Guitar Hero?They might be actually, but are in line behind pathetic one hit wonders mad that the guitar hero version sounds like the original song [out-law.com], a talentless trailer trash bimbo suing because she thinks her dead husband is copyrighted [joystiq.com], and a delusional guitar maker that seems to claim a patent on pretending you're playing guitar without actually playing guitar.
[engadget.com]Whatever court hears completely bat-shit insane lawsuits by greedy jerks trying to get money they didn't earn from successful games must be pretty backlogged.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016244</id>
	<title>Let me guess...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1257626100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... not the eyes are impared. But the "processing center" behind it.</p><p>Only in America...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... not the eyes are impared .
But the " processing center " behind it.Only in America... : /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... not the eyes are impared.
But the "processing center" behind it.Only in America... :/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016152</id>
	<title>I'm blind, therefore you have an obligation...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257625440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't understand.  The reasoning goes like this:</p><blockquote><div><p>I'm blind, therefore you have an obligation...</p></div></blockquote><p>There's <b>nothing</b> that can't be justified by that reasoning.  Any time a blind person isn't experiencing perfect joy, you can be argued to have failed in your obligation.  It doesn't cross a line. There's no line.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't understand .
The reasoning goes like this : I 'm blind , therefore you have an obligation...There 's nothing that ca n't be justified by that reasoning .
Any time a blind person is n't experiencing perfect joy , you can be argued to have failed in your obligation .
It does n't cross a line .
There 's no line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't understand.
The reasoning goes like this:I'm blind, therefore you have an obligation...There's nothing that can't be justified by that reasoning.
Any time a blind person isn't experiencing perfect joy, you can be argued to have failed in your obligation.
It doesn't cross a line.
There's no line.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017124</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257591780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Hawking was suicidal and a alcoholic for years because of his condition.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Gays only will become normal parts of society, when the need for a "we are so special" parade goes away.</p></div><p>Well, that and the whole treating them differently when it comes to civil liberties.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hawking was suicidal and a alcoholic for years because of his condition.Gays only will become normal parts of society , when the need for a " we are so special " parade goes away.Well , that and the whole treating them differently when it comes to civil liberties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hawking was suicidal and a alcoholic for years because of his condition.Gays only will become normal parts of society, when the need for a "we are so special" parade goes away.Well, that and the whole treating them differently when it comes to civil liberties.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30033692</id>
	<title>Not the way to go</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257785820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think that this should be a matter for the courts. But, there have been times when I have been playing games where it would have been very easy for the designers to pair each visual cue with an audio cue, and make the game fully accessible to the blind, or vice-versa for the deaf. Obviously, not all games are suited for the blind, but the ones that should be easily playable often have some key cue missing. All I ask is that designers keep the disabled in mind when making their games, so that they can have accessible games without impacting development cost or playability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think that this should be a matter for the courts .
But , there have been times when I have been playing games where it would have been very easy for the designers to pair each visual cue with an audio cue , and make the game fully accessible to the blind , or vice-versa for the deaf .
Obviously , not all games are suited for the blind , but the ones that should be easily playable often have some key cue missing .
All I ask is that designers keep the disabled in mind when making their games , so that they can have accessible games without impacting development cost or playability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think that this should be a matter for the courts.
But, there have been times when I have been playing games where it would have been very easy for the designers to pair each visual cue with an audio cue, and make the game fully accessible to the blind, or vice-versa for the deaf.
Obviously, not all games are suited for the blind, but the ones that should be easily playable often have some key cue missing.
All I ask is that designers keep the disabled in mind when making their games, so that they can have accessible games without impacting development cost or playability.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019134</id>
	<title>I disagree that it can be profitable</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257614340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In my humble opinion, providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony.</p></div><p>The cost of development, testing and support likely outweighs the profits. Let's pretend 250,000 disabled gamers buy the game (very large number. there are about 60,000 blind school age children in the US for example).  For many big budget games they may have to sell 5 million copies before they can even break even. And you're adding on easily another million dollars in costs with the extra staff necessary to support additional features (1 designer + 2-3 developers + 5 testers + 10 extra tech and customer support). I fudge some numbers and get 900k/yr for the staff, if you pay them in India or China it's more like 300k/yr.<br>I strongly supsect that you will have to pay a premium for developers and testers that specialize in interfaces for the disabled.</p><p>Now for a simple indy game, I think the right indy developer witth right set of skills could make a fun and interesting game that is playable by everyone, including the disabled. And do it with the about the same amount of capital and time as a typical indy game. But the trick there is you need a clever person to implement it and also have a game concept that was selected specifically to meet those goals.</p><p>Should companies make things like WoW or Halo playable by everyone? Sure, that would be wonderful. But let us not pretend that there is profit in doing so when the costs are so very high. If you want to bring the government down on businesses for not doing it, I think they should get some tax breaks if they can show that the cost of adding the support was significant.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my humble opinion , providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony.The cost of development , testing and support likely outweighs the profits .
Let 's pretend 250,000 disabled gamers buy the game ( very large number .
there are about 60,000 blind school age children in the US for example ) .
For many big budget games they may have to sell 5 million copies before they can even break even .
And you 're adding on easily another million dollars in costs with the extra staff necessary to support additional features ( 1 designer + 2-3 developers + 5 testers + 10 extra tech and customer support ) .
I fudge some numbers and get 900k/yr for the staff , if you pay them in India or China it 's more like 300k/yr.I strongly supsect that you will have to pay a premium for developers and testers that specialize in interfaces for the disabled.Now for a simple indy game , I think the right indy developer witth right set of skills could make a fun and interesting game that is playable by everyone , including the disabled .
And do it with the about the same amount of capital and time as a typical indy game .
But the trick there is you need a clever person to implement it and also have a game concept that was selected specifically to meet those goals.Should companies make things like WoW or Halo playable by everyone ?
Sure , that would be wonderful .
But let us not pretend that there is profit in doing so when the costs are so very high .
If you want to bring the government down on businesses for not doing it , I think they should get some tax breaks if they can show that the cost of adding the support was significant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my humble opinion, providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do but it will generate more profit for Sony.The cost of development, testing and support likely outweighs the profits.
Let's pretend 250,000 disabled gamers buy the game (very large number.
there are about 60,000 blind school age children in the US for example).
For many big budget games they may have to sell 5 million copies before they can even break even.
And you're adding on easily another million dollars in costs with the extra staff necessary to support additional features (1 designer + 2-3 developers + 5 testers + 10 extra tech and customer support).
I fudge some numbers and get 900k/yr for the staff, if you pay them in India or China it's more like 300k/yr.I strongly supsect that you will have to pay a premium for developers and testers that specialize in interfaces for the disabled.Now for a simple indy game, I think the right indy developer witth right set of skills could make a fun and interesting game that is playable by everyone, including the disabled.
And do it with the about the same amount of capital and time as a typical indy game.
But the trick there is you need a clever person to implement it and also have a game concept that was selected specifically to meet those goals.Should companies make things like WoW or Halo playable by everyone?
Sure, that would be wonderful.
But let us not pretend that there is profit in doing so when the costs are so very high.
If you want to bring the government down on businesses for not doing it, I think they should get some tax breaks if they can show that the cost of adding the support was significant.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015884</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>VJ42</author>
	<datestamp>1257623400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Should all movies be modified so blind people can enjoy them like us bastards who can see?</p></div><p>There's usually a separate version released: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio\_description" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio\_description</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Should all movies be modified so blind people can enjoy them like us bastards who can see ? There 's usually a separate version released : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio \ _description [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should all movies be modified so blind people can enjoy them like us bastards who can see?There's usually a separate version released: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio\_description [wikipedia.org]
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015116</id>
	<title>i'm blind</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257618480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm blind and I fully support this guy. Those racing games are really hard when you can't see where you're driving. I think I'll follow his lead and sue the DMV for discrimination.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm blind and I fully support this guy .
Those racing games are really hard when you ca n't see where you 're driving .
I think I 'll follow his lead and sue the DMV for discrimination .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm blind and I fully support this guy.
Those racing games are really hard when you can't see where you're driving.
I think I'll follow his lead and sue the DMV for discrimination.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30027594</id>
	<title>Re:Lets make this very clear!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257691440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're worse than frivolous, they're fraudulent in all but the actual legality.  The courts won't award damages unless a person has actually been harmed, so she must be deliberately harming herself (purposefully "slipping and falling" on the icy sidewalk outside a store being the classic example of this behavior) in order to provoke a settlement.  The stores may be in the wrong for not having ramps, but she is still a parasite.</p><p>It's similar to "swoop and stops", car accidents where a person cuts off another driver, then brakes suddenly in the  hope that he will be rear-ended, and can sue for whiplash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're worse than frivolous , they 're fraudulent in all but the actual legality .
The courts wo n't award damages unless a person has actually been harmed , so she must be deliberately harming herself ( purposefully " slipping and falling " on the icy sidewalk outside a store being the classic example of this behavior ) in order to provoke a settlement .
The stores may be in the wrong for not having ramps , but she is still a parasite.It 's similar to " swoop and stops " , car accidents where a person cuts off another driver , then brakes suddenly in the hope that he will be rear-ended , and can sue for whiplash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're worse than frivolous, they're fraudulent in all but the actual legality.
The courts won't award damages unless a person has actually been harmed, so she must be deliberately harming herself (purposefully "slipping and falling" on the icy sidewalk outside a store being the classic example of this behavior) in order to provoke a settlement.
The stores may be in the wrong for not having ramps, but she is still a parasite.It's similar to "swoop and stops", car accidents where a person cuts off another driver, then brakes suddenly in the  hope that he will be rear-ended, and can sue for whiplash.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017292</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>dogmatixpsych</author>
	<datestamp>1257593640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree but football stadiums have to follow the guidelines of the ADA and that is being done just for a game - nothing but entertainment.<br> <br>So again, while I agree with you, it is hard to argue against the suit on the sole basis that video games are entertainment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree but football stadiums have to follow the guidelines of the ADA and that is being done just for a game - nothing but entertainment .
So again , while I agree with you , it is hard to argue against the suit on the sole basis that video games are entertainment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree but football stadiums have to follow the guidelines of the ADA and that is being done just for a game - nothing but entertainment.
So again, while I agree with you, it is hard to argue against the suit on the sole basis that video games are entertainment.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016424</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257584940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>cripple</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>cripple</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cripple</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016844</id>
	<title>Re:Opinion from a blind guy</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1257589140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But should it apply in this case? The intent behind ADA seems to be to make sure that the disabled can't be excluded from normal society. A good example would be wheelchair accessibility to stores. It would be a major problem if just because you were in a wheelchair you couldn't go to the grocery store or the like. The ADA says "You have to make reasonable accommodations for things like that."</p><p>Ok great, but does that, and should that apply to everything, including entertainment? Every product is not designed for every person. If a game is not designed for someone without sight, I don't see the problem. Your solution is to simply not buy the game. It is a purely optional form of entertainment, not something you need to do to live a normal life. Many sighted people will elect not to buy it as well.</p><p>That's the problem I see here. I see no problem with making sure there are reasonable accommodations for people to be able to live their lives. However that is real different than saying everything needs to be made for them. I don't support that. If we are talking a purely optional form of entertainment, I say well design it how you like. If it requires certain physical abilities (like the ability to see), certain learned abilities (like the ability to read a certain language) and so on this is fine. Anyone who doesn't meet those can just not buy it. It isn't as though the world lacks for entertainment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But should it apply in this case ?
The intent behind ADA seems to be to make sure that the disabled ca n't be excluded from normal society .
A good example would be wheelchair accessibility to stores .
It would be a major problem if just because you were in a wheelchair you could n't go to the grocery store or the like .
The ADA says " You have to make reasonable accommodations for things like that .
" Ok great , but does that , and should that apply to everything , including entertainment ?
Every product is not designed for every person .
If a game is not designed for someone without sight , I do n't see the problem .
Your solution is to simply not buy the game .
It is a purely optional form of entertainment , not something you need to do to live a normal life .
Many sighted people will elect not to buy it as well.That 's the problem I see here .
I see no problem with making sure there are reasonable accommodations for people to be able to live their lives .
However that is real different than saying everything needs to be made for them .
I do n't support that .
If we are talking a purely optional form of entertainment , I say well design it how you like .
If it requires certain physical abilities ( like the ability to see ) , certain learned abilities ( like the ability to read a certain language ) and so on this is fine .
Anyone who does n't meet those can just not buy it .
It is n't as though the world lacks for entertainment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But should it apply in this case?
The intent behind ADA seems to be to make sure that the disabled can't be excluded from normal society.
A good example would be wheelchair accessibility to stores.
It would be a major problem if just because you were in a wheelchair you couldn't go to the grocery store or the like.
The ADA says "You have to make reasonable accommodations for things like that.
"Ok great, but does that, and should that apply to everything, including entertainment?
Every product is not designed for every person.
If a game is not designed for someone without sight, I don't see the problem.
Your solution is to simply not buy the game.
It is a purely optional form of entertainment, not something you need to do to live a normal life.
Many sighted people will elect not to buy it as well.That's the problem I see here.
I see no problem with making sure there are reasonable accommodations for people to be able to live their lives.
However that is real different than saying everything needs to be made for them.
I don't support that.
If we are talking a purely optional form of entertainment, I say well design it how you like.
If it requires certain physical abilities (like the ability to see), certain learned abilities (like the ability to read a certain language) and so on this is fine.
Anyone who doesn't meet those can just not buy it.
It isn't as though the world lacks for entertainment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018670</id>
	<title>controler for you</title>
	<author>luther349</author>
	<datestamp>1257608100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>hear i have linked it. it works for pc ps3 and xbox 360.

<a href="http://www.edimensional.com/product\_info.php?cPath=24&amp;products\_id=143" title="edimensional.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.edimensional.com/product\_info.php?cPath=24&amp;products\_id=143</a> [edimensional.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>hear i have linked it .
it works for pc ps3 and xbox 360 . http : //www.edimensional.com/product \ _info.php ? cPath = 24&amp;products \ _id = 143 [ edimensional.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hear i have linked it.
it works for pc ps3 and xbox 360.

http://www.edimensional.com/product\_info.php?cPath=24&amp;products\_id=143 [edimensional.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015576</id>
	<title>Sue him back</title>
	<author>WilyCoder</author>
	<datestamp>1257621480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sony should sue him back for his refusal to buy a bigger TV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony should sue him back for his refusal to buy a bigger TV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony should sue him back for his refusal to buy a bigger TV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30040256</id>
	<title>Re:Opinion from a blind guy (Off-topic)</title>
	<author>Squiffy</author>
	<datestamp>1257770880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let this post be a lesson.  If a blind guy can spell perfectly on the Internet, so can the rest of you slobs!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let this post be a lesson .
If a blind guy can spell perfectly on the Internet , so can the rest of you slobs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let this post be a lesson.
If a blind guy can spell perfectly on the Internet, so can the rest of you slobs!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016092</id>
	<title>Larger Fonts</title>
	<author>stagg</author>
	<datestamp>1257624960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>As someone with 20/20 vision I would still kill for an option to crank up font size in every single game made for consoles in the last three years. I have a 32" CRT screen, which is by no means small and THEORETICALLY supported for most games... but the fonts are absolutely unreadable without sitting so close that your breath is practically fogging the screen.

It isn't like the fonts are huge on high res screens either. It's easy to see how someone with compromised vision could have difficulties.

You don't have to be stone blind to be visually impaired, it isn't like they need brail screens. But allowing the user to crank up the font size would be an all around positive move, IMHO.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone with 20/20 vision I would still kill for an option to crank up font size in every single game made for consoles in the last three years .
I have a 32 " CRT screen , which is by no means small and THEORETICALLY supported for most games... but the fonts are absolutely unreadable without sitting so close that your breath is practically fogging the screen .
It is n't like the fonts are huge on high res screens either .
It 's easy to see how someone with compromised vision could have difficulties .
You do n't have to be stone blind to be visually impaired , it is n't like they need brail screens .
But allowing the user to crank up the font size would be an all around positive move , IMHO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone with 20/20 vision I would still kill for an option to crank up font size in every single game made for consoles in the last three years.
I have a 32" CRT screen, which is by no means small and THEORETICALLY supported for most games... but the fonts are absolutely unreadable without sitting so close that your breath is practically fogging the screen.
It isn't like the fonts are huge on high res screens either.
It's easy to see how someone with compromised vision could have difficulties.
You don't have to be stone blind to be visually impaired, it isn't like they need brail screens.
But allowing the user to crank up the font size would be an all around positive move, IMHO.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30022852</id>
	<title>Re:Lets make this very clear!</title>
	<author>joocemann</author>
	<datestamp>1257702600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't have time to go into detail, but, for example, she sued a place because the soap dispenser was high (when she is in her wheelchair) enough that soap would run down her wrist.  She complained that this made her feel embarrassed and mistreated.  Note that in an interview she has discussed her injuries, which do not require a wheelchair, and she claims she only uses a wheelchair when she feels she needs to.</p><p>Note also that in most cases the businesses settle out of court.  In this case they paid her something like $25k and went out of business.</p><p>To me, you just need to figure out a way to cup the soap... But that's just me.</p><p>The specific person I'm talking about is ridiculous.   This is how she gets paid, and so finding things like 'soap running down wrist' is what must be done to keep the income flowing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't have time to go into detail , but , for example , she sued a place because the soap dispenser was high ( when she is in her wheelchair ) enough that soap would run down her wrist .
She complained that this made her feel embarrassed and mistreated .
Note that in an interview she has discussed her injuries , which do not require a wheelchair , and she claims she only uses a wheelchair when she feels she needs to.Note also that in most cases the businesses settle out of court .
In this case they paid her something like $ 25k and went out of business.To me , you just need to figure out a way to cup the soap... But that 's just me.The specific person I 'm talking about is ridiculous .
This is how she gets paid , and so finding things like 'soap running down wrist ' is what must be done to keep the income flowing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't have time to go into detail, but, for example, she sued a place because the soap dispenser was high (when she is in her wheelchair) enough that soap would run down her wrist.
She complained that this made her feel embarrassed and mistreated.
Note that in an interview she has discussed her injuries, which do not require a wheelchair, and she claims she only uses a wheelchair when she feels she needs to.Note also that in most cases the businesses settle out of court.
In this case they paid her something like $25k and went out of business.To me, you just need to figure out a way to cup the soap... But that's just me.The specific person I'm talking about is ridiculous.
This is how she gets paid, and so finding things like 'soap running down wrist' is what must be done to keep the income flowing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016364</id>
	<title>Re:Lets make this very clear!</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1257627420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We need reform on the ADA as soon as possible! Locally, a predatory woman has sued over 80 local businesses (this is her JOB now), represented by a lawyer who has sued over 250.</p></div><p>This sort of thing sounds horrible when you first hear it, but it's important to remember, most of those business probably were violating the ADA.  Maybe they didn't have a ramp going into their store, or whatever.  If they had made their business more accessible to begin with, it wouldn't have been a problem.<br> <br>
I'm totally against frivolous lawsuits, but you can't say her lawsuits were frivolous just because there were a lot of them. You have to show that they were frivolous.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We need reform on the ADA as soon as possible !
Locally , a predatory woman has sued over 80 local businesses ( this is her JOB now ) , represented by a lawyer who has sued over 250.This sort of thing sounds horrible when you first hear it , but it 's important to remember , most of those business probably were violating the ADA .
Maybe they did n't have a ramp going into their store , or whatever .
If they had made their business more accessible to begin with , it would n't have been a problem .
I 'm totally against frivolous lawsuits , but you ca n't say her lawsuits were frivolous just because there were a lot of them .
You have to show that they were frivolous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need reform on the ADA as soon as possible!
Locally, a predatory woman has sued over 80 local businesses (this is her JOB now), represented by a lawyer who has sued over 250.This sort of thing sounds horrible when you first hear it, but it's important to remember, most of those business probably were violating the ADA.
Maybe they didn't have a ramp going into their store, or whatever.
If they had made their business more accessible to begin with, it wouldn't have been a problem.
I'm totally against frivolous lawsuits, but you can't say her lawsuits were frivolous just because there were a lot of them.
You have to show that they were frivolous.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018770</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>Toonol</author>
	<datestamp>1257609540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"Does the new ### make me look fat?"</i> <br> <br>

"Wide, maybe, but flat" doesn't really make the wife feel any better...</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Does the new # # # make me look fat ?
" " Wide , maybe , but flat " does n't really make the wife feel any better.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Does the new ### make me look fat?
"  

"Wide, maybe, but flat" doesn't really make the wife feel any better...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016010</id>
	<title>Then go ahead!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257624240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If in the anonymous posters "humble opinion," "providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do" then he or she should go ahead an volunteer to work at Sony and provide the service.</p><p>SOMEONE has to pay for it.  If this were a method to call the police or fire department, that is one thing.  This is a game, and people who think it is a fine idea are welcome to pay for it themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If in the anonymous posters " humble opinion , " " providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do " then he or she should go ahead an volunteer to work at Sony and provide the service.SOMEONE has to pay for it .
If this were a method to call the police or fire department , that is one thing .
This is a game , and people who think it is a fine idea are welcome to pay for it themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If in the anonymous posters "humble opinion," "providing access for the disabled is not only the right thing to do" then he or she should go ahead an volunteer to work at Sony and provide the service.SOMEONE has to pay for it.
If this were a method to call the police or fire department, that is one thing.
This is a game, and people who think it is a fine idea are welcome to pay for it themselves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30036372</id>
	<title>Gamer's Financial Loss</title>
	<author>viruswatts</author>
	<datestamp>1257796500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Beyond the denial of entertainment, the suit also contends that Sony's actions have caused visually impaired gamers a financial loss. Because Sony runs an official auction site where gamers can sell their in-game items for real money, the suit says Stern's inability to participate in that marketplace is costing him money.</p></div><p>Is the auction system flash based?  How is this different from eBay or Amazon?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Beyond the denial of entertainment , the suit also contends that Sony 's actions have caused visually impaired gamers a financial loss .
Because Sony runs an official auction site where gamers can sell their in-game items for real money , the suit says Stern 's inability to participate in that marketplace is costing him money.Is the auction system flash based ?
How is this different from eBay or Amazon ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beyond the denial of entertainment, the suit also contends that Sony's actions have caused visually impaired gamers a financial loss.
Because Sony runs an official auction site where gamers can sell their in-game items for real money, the suit says Stern's inability to participate in that marketplace is costing him money.Is the auction system flash based?
How is this different from eBay or Amazon?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018972</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>kklein</author>
	<datestamp>1257612240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a pretty big liberal, too, but I can't fathom what this guy (the disabled guy or the summarizer) is thinking.

</p><p>A video game is a luxury product. It isn't a necessity. If I'm making a product to sell, I'm making it to generate revenue. That's it. If I also happen to find it cool, that is a definite bonus, but it's primary purpose is to collect money from people to give to me. If I look at my market and think, "Hey, I bet I could make a bunch of money off of supporting disabled people," I'd do it. That's just good business.

</p><p>However, if the product is a <i>video</i> game, the changes I'd need to make would be way more expensive than what I could expect to get out of blind people who want to play video games (which--and I'm just guessing here--is probably close enough to zero to just round down). There are a lot of blind people in the world, yes, but the subset of them who might want to play a video game is probably tiny. If market research found that this was not the case, I might change my mind on it, but in all likelihood, the only response I could give a blind person wanting to play my video game is, "have you considered whether this hobby is really for you?"

</p><p>Now, if I'm making--I dunno--cars, then I can probably be sure that if I can make those accessible to disabled people (not blind people!), I can make some money. Although the market, unless I'm mistaken, has found it better to just have companies that specialize in conversions.

</p><p>Liberal attitudes do not preclude a grasp of free-market capitalism, which really does provide the most, best products and services most of the time. Every once in awhile you find something that it can't handle, and that's when government has to tweak the rules to address that (which opens up new business opportunities--I'm sure the ADA has done wonders for the car-conversion companies). But luxury products like video games? Come on.

</p><p>If Sony isn't meeting your gaming needs, <i>vote with your wallet.</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a pretty big liberal , too , but I ca n't fathom what this guy ( the disabled guy or the summarizer ) is thinking .
A video game is a luxury product .
It is n't a necessity .
If I 'm making a product to sell , I 'm making it to generate revenue .
That 's it .
If I also happen to find it cool , that is a definite bonus , but it 's primary purpose is to collect money from people to give to me .
If I look at my market and think , " Hey , I bet I could make a bunch of money off of supporting disabled people , " I 'd do it .
That 's just good business .
However , if the product is a video game , the changes I 'd need to make would be way more expensive than what I could expect to get out of blind people who want to play video games ( which--and I 'm just guessing here--is probably close enough to zero to just round down ) .
There are a lot of blind people in the world , yes , but the subset of them who might want to play a video game is probably tiny .
If market research found that this was not the case , I might change my mind on it , but in all likelihood , the only response I could give a blind person wanting to play my video game is , " have you considered whether this hobby is really for you ?
" Now , if I 'm making--I dunno--cars , then I can probably be sure that if I can make those accessible to disabled people ( not blind people !
) , I can make some money .
Although the market , unless I 'm mistaken , has found it better to just have companies that specialize in conversions .
Liberal attitudes do not preclude a grasp of free-market capitalism , which really does provide the most , best products and services most of the time .
Every once in awhile you find something that it ca n't handle , and that 's when government has to tweak the rules to address that ( which opens up new business opportunities--I 'm sure the ADA has done wonders for the car-conversion companies ) .
But luxury products like video games ?
Come on .
If Sony is n't meeting your gaming needs , vote with your wallet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a pretty big liberal, too, but I can't fathom what this guy (the disabled guy or the summarizer) is thinking.
A video game is a luxury product.
It isn't a necessity.
If I'm making a product to sell, I'm making it to generate revenue.
That's it.
If I also happen to find it cool, that is a definite bonus, but it's primary purpose is to collect money from people to give to me.
If I look at my market and think, "Hey, I bet I could make a bunch of money off of supporting disabled people," I'd do it.
That's just good business.
However, if the product is a video game, the changes I'd need to make would be way more expensive than what I could expect to get out of blind people who want to play video games (which--and I'm just guessing here--is probably close enough to zero to just round down).
There are a lot of blind people in the world, yes, but the subset of them who might want to play a video game is probably tiny.
If market research found that this was not the case, I might change my mind on it, but in all likelihood, the only response I could give a blind person wanting to play my video game is, "have you considered whether this hobby is really for you?
"

Now, if I'm making--I dunno--cars, then I can probably be sure that if I can make those accessible to disabled people (not blind people!
), I can make some money.
Although the market, unless I'm mistaken, has found it better to just have companies that specialize in conversions.
Liberal attitudes do not preclude a grasp of free-market capitalism, which really does provide the most, best products and services most of the time.
Every once in awhile you find something that it can't handle, and that's when government has to tweak the rules to address that (which opens up new business opportunities--I'm sure the ADA has done wonders for the car-conversion companies).
But luxury products like video games?
Come on.
If Sony isn't meeting your gaming needs, vote with your wallet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015454</id>
	<title>Re:Crossing the line ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257620580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's a fine-sounding liberal opinion, but when did accessibility to a <i>video game</i>, which presupposes a minimum level of vision, become a privilege mandated by the Federal Government? We are not talking about an essential service here, access to government records, we aren't even talking about a visually-impaired person being unable to order products online. It's a <i>video game</i>. Entertainment, no more.</p></div><p>We're not talking blind, we're talking visually impaired, and a lot of what Sony does is just petty. Small print that's impossible to read in SD, low-contrast colors, failure to support color blind people, and on and on. All of these are dead simple to fix.</p><p>There's a lot more merit to this case than you're giving it credit for.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a fine-sounding liberal opinion , but when did accessibility to a video game , which presupposes a minimum level of vision , become a privilege mandated by the Federal Government ?
We are not talking about an essential service here , access to government records , we are n't even talking about a visually-impaired person being unable to order products online .
It 's a video game .
Entertainment , no more.We 're not talking blind , we 're talking visually impaired , and a lot of what Sony does is just petty .
Small print that 's impossible to read in SD , low-contrast colors , failure to support color blind people , and on and on .
All of these are dead simple to fix.There 's a lot more merit to this case than you 're giving it credit for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a fine-sounding liberal opinion, but when did accessibility to a video game, which presupposes a minimum level of vision, become a privilege mandated by the Federal Government?
We are not talking about an essential service here, access to government records, we aren't even talking about a visually-impaired person being unable to order products online.
It's a video game.
Entertainment, no more.We're not talking blind, we're talking visually impaired, and a lot of what Sony does is just petty.
Small print that's impossible to read in SD, low-contrast colors, failure to support color blind people, and on and on.
All of these are dead simple to fix.There's a lot more merit to this case than you're giving it credit for.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30018918</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257611580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... I'm blind in one eye<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p> </div><p>So I guess 3-D movies are out?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... I 'm blind in one eye ... So I guess 3-D movies are out ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... I'm blind in one eye ... So I guess 3-D movies are out?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30019230</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>lonecrow</author>
	<datestamp>1257615660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think you are missing the "reasonable accommodation" it sounds like this fellow suggested several to them already.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you are missing the " reasonable accommodation " it sounds like this fellow suggested several to them already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you are missing the "reasonable accommodation" it sounds like this fellow suggested several to them already.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016318</id>
	<title>Re:What is he asking them to do?</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1257627060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They point is companies should make a reasonable effort to make thier products accessable to the handicapped. I'm not sure of the law but in principle it is the right thing to do.</p></div><p>"Companies that make basic-wheelchairs need to be sued by people with only one arm;  they can't use them!"<br>
No.  The right thing to do is to not buy their product, and if you happen to see a market that isn't being exploited, start a new business that exploits it.  Forcing people to do business a certain way is the Communist Way.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Imagine if he came up with a practical way for a blind person to drive safely and he suggested it and the car companies refused.</p></div><p>Sounds like he could make a killing in an untapped market.  He should talk to some investors.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They point is companies should make a reasonable effort to make thier products accessable to the handicapped .
I 'm not sure of the law but in principle it is the right thing to do .
" Companies that make basic-wheelchairs need to be sued by people with only one arm ; they ca n't use them !
" No .
The right thing to do is to not buy their product , and if you happen to see a market that is n't being exploited , start a new business that exploits it .
Forcing people to do business a certain way is the Communist Way.Imagine if he came up with a practical way for a blind person to drive safely and he suggested it and the car companies refused.Sounds like he could make a killing in an untapped market .
He should talk to some investors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They point is companies should make a reasonable effort to make thier products accessable to the handicapped.
I'm not sure of the law but in principle it is the right thing to do.
"Companies that make basic-wheelchairs need to be sued by people with only one arm;  they can't use them!
"
No.
The right thing to do is to not buy their product, and if you happen to see a market that isn't being exploited, start a new business that exploits it.
Forcing people to do business a certain way is the Communist Way.Imagine if he came up with a practical way for a blind person to drive safely and he suggested it and the car companies refused.Sounds like he could make a killing in an untapped market.
He should talk to some investors.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015482</id>
	<title>Lets make this very clear!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257620760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Americans With Disabilities Act was written so loosely that there are so many of these litigious bullshitteries going on nation wide.  It is basically a form of extortion facilitated by poorly written 'laws'.</p><p>We need reform on the ADA as soon as possible!  Locally, a predatory woman has sued over 80 local businesses (this is her JOB now), represented by a lawyer who has sued over 250.</p><p>I hope sony lobbies to get reform.</p><p>I say all of this with the great respect for the disabled and the true intent of the ADA.  It is the exploit of the act that bothers me so much.</p><p>In this case, Sony makes visual video games and a guy who can't see thinks Sony OWES him a game.  That's like being allergic to peanut butter and suing Reeses for not making you a hazelnut cup.  THEY DONT OWE YOU A HAZELNUT CUP!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Americans With Disabilities Act was written so loosely that there are so many of these litigious bullshitteries going on nation wide .
It is basically a form of extortion facilitated by poorly written 'laws'.We need reform on the ADA as soon as possible !
Locally , a predatory woman has sued over 80 local businesses ( this is her JOB now ) , represented by a lawyer who has sued over 250.I hope sony lobbies to get reform.I say all of this with the great respect for the disabled and the true intent of the ADA .
It is the exploit of the act that bothers me so much.In this case , Sony makes visual video games and a guy who ca n't see thinks Sony OWES him a game .
That 's like being allergic to peanut butter and suing Reeses for not making you a hazelnut cup .
THEY DONT OWE YOU A HAZELNUT CUP !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Americans With Disabilities Act was written so loosely that there are so many of these litigious bullshitteries going on nation wide.
It is basically a form of extortion facilitated by poorly written 'laws'.We need reform on the ADA as soon as possible!
Locally, a predatory woman has sued over 80 local businesses (this is her JOB now), represented by a lawyer who has sued over 250.I hope sony lobbies to get reform.I say all of this with the great respect for the disabled and the true intent of the ADA.
It is the exploit of the act that bothers me so much.In this case, Sony makes visual video games and a guy who can't see thinks Sony OWES him a game.
That's like being allergic to peanut butter and suing Reeses for not making you a hazelnut cup.
THEY DONT OWE YOU A HAZELNUT CUP!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017980</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257600180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>-They have parades for all kinds of things - returned veterans, marching bands, agricultural fairs. Does that mean that all those are not normal parts of society?</p><p>Yes, that is exactly right.  They are not normal parts of society.  A parade for returning veterans is honoring something special that they did for the country.  A parade for an agricultural fair denotes a special time for the community farmers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>-They have parades for all kinds of things - returned veterans , marching bands , agricultural fairs .
Does that mean that all those are not normal parts of society ? Yes , that is exactly right .
They are not normal parts of society .
A parade for returning veterans is honoring something special that they did for the country .
A parade for an agricultural fair denotes a special time for the community farmers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-They have parades for all kinds of things - returned veterans, marching bands, agricultural fairs.
Does that mean that all those are not normal parts of society?Yes, that is exactly right.
They are not normal parts of society.
A parade for returning veterans is honoring something special that they did for the country.
A parade for an agricultural fair denotes a special time for the community farmers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016878</id>
	<title>Freedom?  Hardly, although it cuts both ways</title>
	<author>duncan bayne</author>
	<datestamp>1257589380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah, America, land of the free<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... unless you're in business, in which case voters think it's acceptable for the Government to force you to do business with whomever they please, in whatever way they want.</p><p>Mind you, it works both ways, with Sony illegally installing rootkits on PCs and lobbying the Government for favours in the form of Copyright legislation.</p><p>Perhaps they deserve each other?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , America , land of the free ... unless you 're in business , in which case voters think it 's acceptable for the Government to force you to do business with whomever they please , in whatever way they want.Mind you , it works both ways , with Sony illegally installing rootkits on PCs and lobbying the Government for favours in the form of Copyright legislation.Perhaps they deserve each other ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, America, land of the free ... unless you're in business, in which case voters think it's acceptable for the Government to force you to do business with whomever they please, in whatever way they want.Mind you, it works both ways, with Sony illegally installing rootkits on PCs and lobbying the Government for favours in the form of Copyright legislation.Perhaps they deserve each other?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30017006</id>
	<title>Re:What next? Cameras?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257590760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That must really suck to be blind in one eye. You have absolutely no depth perception and your peripheral vision is cut in half. Wow, I am very glad that I am a normal person with two fully working eyes and perfect vision.</p><p>You should go by the name of "Deadeye", "2D" or some other hilarious name related to your special condition. It might help make living with only one eye less depressing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That must really suck to be blind in one eye .
You have absolutely no depth perception and your peripheral vision is cut in half .
Wow , I am very glad that I am a normal person with two fully working eyes and perfect vision.You should go by the name of " Deadeye " , " 2D " or some other hilarious name related to your special condition .
It might help make living with only one eye less depressing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That must really suck to be blind in one eye.
You have absolutely no depth perception and your peripheral vision is cut in half.
Wow, I am very glad that I am a normal person with two fully working eyes and perfect vision.You should go by the name of "Deadeye", "2D" or some other hilarious name related to your special condition.
It might help make living with only one eye less depressing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016600</id>
	<title>Re:I'm aesthetically impaired i'm going to sue</title>
	<author>egcagrac0</author>
	<datestamp>1257586800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Class action suit in 4... 3... 2...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Class action suit in 4... 3... 2.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Class action suit in 4... 3... 2...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015398</id>
	<title>Re:OS-impaired</title>
	<author>Mitchell314</author>
	<datestamp>1257620160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wine. <br>
<br>
Okay, some things run. Half the time. But it's not like they ran any better on Windows in the first place.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wine .
Okay , some things run .
Half the time .
But it 's not like they ran any better on Windows in the first place .
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wine.
Okay, some things run.
Half the time.
But it's not like they ran any better on Windows in the first place.
:P</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015282</id>
	<title>Re:Good luck with that?</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1257619440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Simple.  Use audio cues instead of visual ones.  TFA mentioned an audio compass and voice-over as being examples.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Simple .
Use audio cues instead of visual ones .
TFA mentioned an audio compass and voice-over as being examples .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simple.
Use audio cues instead of visual ones.
TFA mentioned an audio compass and voice-over as being examples.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016134</id>
	<title>What a load of BS</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1257625320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who is the worst jack*ss here?<br>The blind guy who is bringing Sony to court because their games are not made for the visually impaired,<br>or for the courts to actually go through with this case and let it proceed???</p><p>This is like the blind guy bringing the government or state to court for not allowing him to drive or making visually impaired friendly vehicles<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....no sh*t sherlock, YOU CAN'T SEE!!!</p><p>You won't know when your *ss is getting kicked on Call of Duty either because the beeps are "special beeps", you won't SEE the screen!!!<br>Come on, where is common sense gone to these days?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who is the worst jack * ss here ? The blind guy who is bringing Sony to court because their games are not made for the visually impaired,or for the courts to actually go through with this case and let it proceed ? ?
? This is like the blind guy bringing the government or state to court for not allowing him to drive or making visually impaired friendly vehicles ....no sh * t sherlock , YOU CA N'T SEE ! !
! You wo n't know when your * ss is getting kicked on Call of Duty either because the beeps are " special beeps " , you wo n't SEE the screen ! !
! Come on , where is common sense gone to these days ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who is the worst jack*ss here?The blind guy who is bringing Sony to court because their games are not made for the visually impaired,or for the courts to actually go through with this case and let it proceed??
?This is like the blind guy bringing the government or state to court for not allowing him to drive or making visually impaired friendly vehicles ....no sh*t sherlock, YOU CAN'T SEE!!
!You won't know when your *ss is getting kicked on Call of Duty either because the beeps are "special beeps", you won't SEE the screen!!
!Come on, where is common sense gone to these days?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30016226</id>
	<title>Re:Lets make this very clear!</title>
	<author>Kohath</author>
	<datestamp>1257625980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It is basically a form of extortion...</p></div><p>So just like almost everything else government does then?</p><p>You seem to be arguing for reforms so we can have more efficient, more targeted extortion.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is basically a form of extortion...So just like almost everything else government does then ? You seem to be arguing for reforms so we can have more efficient , more targeted extortion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is basically a form of extortion...So just like almost everything else government does then?You seem to be arguing for reforms so we can have more efficient, more targeted extortion.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30015980</id>
	<title>I'd suggest another case</title>
	<author>AlgorithMan</author>
	<datestamp>1257624060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They should also sue TV for not being Radio!<br>
And the deaf should sue Radio for not being TV...</htmltext>
<tokenext>They should also sue TV for not being Radio !
And the deaf should sue Radio for not being TV.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should also sue TV for not being Radio!
And the deaf should sue Radio for not being TV...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_07_1622230.30048416</id>
	<title>Re:this is getting ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257879000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>totally and completely asking in a serious manner with no malicious intent or desire to mock:<br>What about flipping the controller over and using your right hand to work the fret, instead of the left? You know?  Hendrix style?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>totally and completely asking in a serious manner with no malicious intent or desire to mock : What about flipping the controller over and using your right hand to work the fret , instead of the left ?
You know ?
Hendrix style ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>totally and completely asking in a serious manner with no malicious intent or desire to mock:What about flipping the controller over and using your right hand to work the fret, instead of the left?
You know?
Hendrix style?</sentencetext>
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