<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_05_1632204</id>
	<title>Computer Failure Causes Gridlock In MD County</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1257443340000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Uncle Rummy writes <i>"A central traffic control computer in Montgomery County, Maryland failed early Wednesday morning, <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/04/AR2009110402413.html">leading to widespread gridlock across the entire county</a>.  The computer, which dates to the 1970s, is the single point of unified control for all traffic signals in the county, which comprises a number of major Washington DC-area suburban communities.  When the system failed, it caused all signals to default to stand-alone operation, rather than the highly-tuned synchronization that usually serves to facilitate traffic flow during rush hours.  The resulting chaos is a yet another stark reminder of how much modern civilization relies on behind-the-scenes automation to deliver and control basic services and infrastructure.  The system remains down Thursday, with no ETA in sight."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uncle Rummy writes " A central traffic control computer in Montgomery County , Maryland failed early Wednesday morning , leading to widespread gridlock across the entire county .
The computer , which dates to the 1970s , is the single point of unified control for all traffic signals in the county , which comprises a number of major Washington DC-area suburban communities .
When the system failed , it caused all signals to default to stand-alone operation , rather than the highly-tuned synchronization that usually serves to facilitate traffic flow during rush hours .
The resulting chaos is a yet another stark reminder of how much modern civilization relies on behind-the-scenes automation to deliver and control basic services and infrastructure .
The system remains down Thursday , with no ETA in sight .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uncle Rummy writes "A central traffic control computer in Montgomery County, Maryland failed early Wednesday morning, leading to widespread gridlock across the entire county.
The computer, which dates to the 1970s, is the single point of unified control for all traffic signals in the county, which comprises a number of major Washington DC-area suburban communities.
When the system failed, it caused all signals to default to stand-alone operation, rather than the highly-tuned synchronization that usually serves to facilitate traffic flow during rush hours.
The resulting chaos is a yet another stark reminder of how much modern civilization relies on behind-the-scenes automation to deliver and control basic services and infrastructure.
The system remains down Thursday, with no ETA in sight.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30009614</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>jgurling</author>
	<datestamp>1257501480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a UK citizen now living in Canada (where things are basically the same in cities), one thing struck me about the road system overall. The whole city-planning grid layout thing means that there are an *insane* number of 4-way stop-sign junctions. To me they are more of a concern than traffic lights just due to sheer density of them. You look on a map and think "great, it's a straight line, I'll be there in no time", but you have to stop and start so much and it seems so backwards (to me, at least). Takes more time, wears out your brakes, uses more fuel... Perhaps it's a call for mini-roundabouts, or maybe just more give-way signs (called "yield" signs in Canada). When I see the occasional one here, I'm taken aback to my home country and think "gee... why aren't there more of these here?!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a UK citizen now living in Canada ( where things are basically the same in cities ) , one thing struck me about the road system overall .
The whole city-planning grid layout thing means that there are an * insane * number of 4-way stop-sign junctions .
To me they are more of a concern than traffic lights just due to sheer density of them .
You look on a map and think " great , it 's a straight line , I 'll be there in no time " , but you have to stop and start so much and it seems so backwards ( to me , at least ) .
Takes more time , wears out your brakes , uses more fuel... Perhaps it 's a call for mini-roundabouts , or maybe just more give-way signs ( called " yield " signs in Canada ) .
When I see the occasional one here , I 'm taken aback to my home country and think " gee... why are n't there more of these here ? !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a UK citizen now living in Canada (where things are basically the same in cities), one thing struck me about the road system overall.
The whole city-planning grid layout thing means that there are an *insane* number of 4-way stop-sign junctions.
To me they are more of a concern than traffic lights just due to sheer density of them.
You look on a map and think "great, it's a straight line, I'll be there in no time", but you have to stop and start so much and it seems so backwards (to me, at least).
Takes more time, wears out your brakes, uses more fuel... Perhaps it's a call for mini-roundabouts, or maybe just more give-way signs (called "yield" signs in Canada).
When I see the occasional one here, I'm taken aback to my home country and think "gee... why aren't there more of these here?!
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999132</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997122</id>
	<title>From the 1980s</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257447780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to <a href="http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=598&amp;sid=1803146" title="wtopnews.com">this</a> [wtopnews.com] it was a Data General main frame from the 1980s and not from the 1970s. Anyone know what model?</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to this [ wtopnews.com ] it was a Data General main frame from the 1980s and not from the 1970s .
Anyone know what model ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to this [wtopnews.com] it was a Data General main frame from the 1980s and not from the 1970s.
Anyone know what model?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30007756</id>
	<title>Re:From the 1980s</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257536220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The computer is a Data General MV9600A mini-computer running AOS-VS II.</p><p>It <a href="http://www.baltometro.org/ITS/TSF07-3C-MontCoTSS.pdf" title="baltometro.org" rel="nofollow">looks</a> [baltometro.org] like they were planning on replacing it a few years ago.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The computer is a Data General MV9600A mini-computer running AOS-VS II.It looks [ baltometro.org ] like they were planning on replacing it a few years ago .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>The computer is a Data General MV9600A mini-computer running AOS-VS II.It looks [baltometro.org] like they were planning on replacing it a few years ago.
 </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997122</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999730</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257415620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The kinetic energy is proportional to the square of the velocity. The velocity you have when going through a roundabout requires you to bleed say 80\%+ of your kinetic energy when braking from say 40mph (like most of us drive in 35mph, BTW). So the whole "preserving some momentum" argument is crap, IMHO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The kinetic energy is proportional to the square of the velocity .
The velocity you have when going through a roundabout requires you to bleed say 80 \ % + of your kinetic energy when braking from say 40mph ( like most of us drive in 35mph , BTW ) .
So the whole " preserving some momentum " argument is crap , IMHO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The kinetic energy is proportional to the square of the velocity.
The velocity you have when going through a roundabout requires you to bleed say 80\%+ of your kinetic energy when braking from say 40mph (like most of us drive in 35mph, BTW).
So the whole "preserving some momentum" argument is crap, IMHO.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997960</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30006184</id>
	<title>Re:MontCo $$</title>
	<author>jthayden</author>
	<datestamp>1257526560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You don't get rich by paying your taxes and you don't get elected for spending money on something now that can be put off til later at three times the price.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't get rich by paying your taxes and you do n't get elected for spending money on something now that can be put off til later at three times the price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't get rich by paying your taxes and you don't get elected for spending money on something now that can be put off til later at three times the price.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997128</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30005030</id>
	<title>The real problem is...</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1257518580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;The resulting chaos is a yet another stark reminder of how much modern civilization relies on behind-the-scenes<br>&gt;automation to deliver and control basic services and infrastructure<br>No the real problem is the fact that someone decided that keeping a computer from 1970 running till today to run the traffic system!!!<br>We have dual core processors for 300$ at futureshop, seriously, what could ever make someone decide to leave such an old system in place to run things....hopefully they learned their lesson, and will be installing the new technology soon.</p><p>Maryland county people should ask for the city council to report back any other such situations to pass a vote on whether to replace all the aging technology!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The resulting chaos is a yet another stark reminder of how much modern civilization relies on behind-the-scenes &gt; automation to deliver and control basic services and infrastructureNo the real problem is the fact that someone decided that keeping a computer from 1970 running till today to run the traffic system ! !
! We have dual core processors for 300 $ at futureshop , seriously , what could ever make someone decide to leave such an old system in place to run things....hopefully they learned their lesson , and will be installing the new technology soon.Maryland county people should ask for the city council to report back any other such situations to pass a vote on whether to replace all the aging technology !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;The resulting chaos is a yet another stark reminder of how much modern civilization relies on behind-the-scenes&gt;automation to deliver and control basic services and infrastructureNo the real problem is the fact that someone decided that keeping a computer from 1970 running till today to run the traffic system!!
!We have dual core processors for 300$ at futureshop, seriously, what could ever make someone decide to leave such an old system in place to run things....hopefully they learned their lesson, and will be installing the new technology soon.Maryland county people should ask for the city council to report back any other such situations to pass a vote on whether to replace all the aging technology!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997954</id>
	<title>Nobody's moving ...</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1257451500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...except for a bunch of <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064505/" title="imdb.com">Mini Coopers</a> [imdb.com] driving down the sidewalks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...except for a bunch of Mini Coopers [ imdb.com ] driving down the sidewalks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...except for a bunch of Mini Coopers [imdb.com] driving down the sidewalks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997022</id>
	<title>1970's computer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257447300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have an old Pentium 75. They are welcome to it, it it will help.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) Of course with the diffrence in processing power between a Pentium and a 1970's era computer, you could probably run the entire countries traffic lights with a P75.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an old Pentium 75 .
They are welcome to it , it it will help .
: ) Of course with the diffrence in processing power between a Pentium and a 1970 's era computer , you could probably run the entire countries traffic lights with a P75 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an old Pentium 75.
They are welcome to it, it it will help.
:) Of course with the diffrence in processing power between a Pentium and a 1970's era computer, you could probably run the entire countries traffic lights with a P75.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997146</id>
	<title>Job opening in MD...</title>
	<author>iamhigh</author>
	<datestamp>1257447900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>But you'll never make it to the interview on time, as traffic moves at the speed of my old TRS80... wait a minute...</htmltext>
<tokenext>But you 'll never make it to the interview on time , as traffic moves at the speed of my old TRS80... wait a minute.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But you'll never make it to the interview on time, as traffic moves at the speed of my old TRS80... wait a minute...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30003420</id>
	<title>server password</title>
	<author>Lorens</author>
	<datestamp>1257449640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As for the single computer, i bet a coke no one knows the root password, the system administrator is long gone and the programmers are very long gone.</p></div><p>Reading TFA (but you have to go to the second page, oooh), it seems that they're a bit more clueful than that.</p><p>"The server seems to be sending the signal, but the conduit is not transferring the information to the signal lights."</p><p>Maybe in a day or two they'll contact a network engineer<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As for the single computer , i bet a coke no one knows the root password , the system administrator is long gone and the programmers are very long gone.Reading TFA ( but you have to go to the second page , oooh ) , it seems that they 're a bit more clueful than that .
" The server seems to be sending the signal , but the conduit is not transferring the information to the signal lights .
" Maybe in a day or two they 'll contact a network engineer : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As for the single computer, i bet a coke no one knows the root password, the system administrator is long gone and the programmers are very long gone.Reading TFA (but you have to go to the second page, oooh), it seems that they're a bit more clueful than that.
"The server seems to be sending the signal, but the conduit is not transferring the information to the signal lights.
"Maybe in a day or two they'll contact a network engineer :-)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997018</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997622</id>
	<title>Re:1970's computer</title>
	<author>realityimpaired</author>
	<datestamp>1257450120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Until somebody sent it a F00F... imagine the mayhem if the whole country went down...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until somebody sent it a F00F... imagine the mayhem if the whole country went down... : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until somebody sent it a F00F... imagine the mayhem if the whole country went down... :P</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997022</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997568</id>
	<title>Re:From the 1980s</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1257449940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll bet the delay in fixing it is searching ebay for replacement parts. Even if DG still exists, I doubt that they are still supplying replacement parts for nova's, which would be my next guess as to what they have.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll bet the delay in fixing it is searching ebay for replacement parts .
Even if DG still exists , I doubt that they are still supplying replacement parts for nova 's , which would be my next guess as to what they have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll bet the delay in fixing it is searching ebay for replacement parts.
Even if DG still exists, I doubt that they are still supplying replacement parts for nova's, which would be my next guess as to what they have.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997122</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001490</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257424140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are *clearly* unfamiliar with the area in question. There is far too much traffic on far too many intersections to replace them all with roundabouts. And even if you plucked out the worst two or three, you'd still have the same traffic if the timing system went out. I'm absolutely certain that somewhere in Montgomery county there are lights that should be replaced with roundabouts, but the really problem areas yesterday aren't those places.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are * clearly * unfamiliar with the area in question .
There is far too much traffic on far too many intersections to replace them all with roundabouts .
And even if you plucked out the worst two or three , you 'd still have the same traffic if the timing system went out .
I 'm absolutely certain that somewhere in Montgomery county there are lights that should be replaced with roundabouts , but the really problem areas yesterday are n't those places .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are *clearly* unfamiliar with the area in question.
There is far too much traffic on far too many intersections to replace them all with roundabouts.
And even if you plucked out the worst two or three, you'd still have the same traffic if the timing system went out.
I'm absolutely certain that somewhere in Montgomery county there are lights that should be replaced with roundabouts, but the really problem areas yesterday aren't those places.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997960</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001884</id>
	<title>Re:remind of a Cult of The Dead Cow tfile</title>
	<author>palegray.net</author>
	<datestamp>1257427440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll bet you a truckload of cokes that the operating system on that machine doesn't have an account named "root."</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll bet you a truckload of cokes that the operating system on that machine does n't have an account named " root .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll bet you a truckload of cokes that the operating system on that machine doesn't have an account named "root.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997018</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997222</id>
	<title>Re:1970's computer</title>
	<author>hardburn</author>
	<datestamp>1257448200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Old systems stick around because they work. City-wide traffic systems are very complicated affairs. Getting rid of a 40 year old system also means trashing 40 years of hard lessons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Old systems stick around because they work .
City-wide traffic systems are very complicated affairs .
Getting rid of a 40 year old system also means trashing 40 years of hard lessons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Old systems stick around because they work.
City-wide traffic systems are very complicated affairs.
Getting rid of a 40 year old system also means trashing 40 years of hard lessons.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997022</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997960</id>
	<title>And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1257451500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... to mediate traffic instead of traffic signals, they wouldn't have needed the aging old single-point-of-failure computer in the first place, because roundabouts (a) require no computers, (b) require no electronics at all, (c) require no electricity, and (d) don't require maintenance.  What's more, since they allow motorists to preserve some momentum in all but the most congested traffic, gas consumption from forced arbitrary deceleration and acceleration is reduced.  The only intelligence they require isn't of the artificial sort at all, only a smidgen of it from the motorists using them.   They are un-powered and self-adjusting to traffic flow.</p><p>Would anyone like to take a stab at how much energy and man-hours is expended on the traffic signal network in the United States every year?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... to mediate traffic instead of traffic signals , they would n't have needed the aging old single-point-of-failure computer in the first place , because roundabouts ( a ) require no computers , ( b ) require no electronics at all , ( c ) require no electricity , and ( d ) do n't require maintenance .
What 's more , since they allow motorists to preserve some momentum in all but the most congested traffic , gas consumption from forced arbitrary deceleration and acceleration is reduced .
The only intelligence they require is n't of the artificial sort at all , only a smidgen of it from the motorists using them .
They are un-powered and self-adjusting to traffic flow.Would anyone like to take a stab at how much energy and man-hours is expended on the traffic signal network in the United States every year ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... to mediate traffic instead of traffic signals, they wouldn't have needed the aging old single-point-of-failure computer in the first place, because roundabouts (a) require no computers, (b) require no electronics at all, (c) require no electricity, and (d) don't require maintenance.
What's more, since they allow motorists to preserve some momentum in all but the most congested traffic, gas consumption from forced arbitrary deceleration and acceleration is reduced.
The only intelligence they require isn't of the artificial sort at all, only a smidgen of it from the motorists using them.
They are un-powered and self-adjusting to traffic flow.Would anyone like to take a stab at how much energy and man-hours is expended on the traffic signal network in the United States every year?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999218</id>
	<title>Re:From the 1980s</title>
	<author>tsstahl</author>
	<datestamp>1257413520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Anyone know what model?</p></div><p>Model 2-BIS, for the extra fire control program space.
<br> <br>

--Your obscure reference of the day</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone know what model ? Model 2-BIS , for the extra fire control program space .
--Your obscure reference of the day</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone know what model?Model 2-BIS, for the extra fire control program space.
--Your obscure reference of the day
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997122</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30000900</id>
	<title>floppies!</title>
	<author>recharged95</author>
	<datestamp>1257420960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>The system remains down Thursday, with no ETA in sight."</i>"
<br>
<br>
Can't find those 5.25" floppy disks for DOS 3.1 I see. Time to check ebay.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The system remains down Thursday , with no ETA in sight .
" " Ca n't find those 5.25 " floppy disks for DOS 3.1 I see .
Time to check ebay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The system remains down Thursday, with no ETA in sight.
""


Can't find those 5.25" floppy disks for DOS 3.1 I see.
Time to check ebay.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997108</id>
	<title>Have a taste of living in Los Angeles!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257447720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>So the default behavior is basically traffic lights in Los Angeles on a normal day? I feel <i>soooo</i> sorry for them.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>So the default behavior is basically traffic lights in Los Angeles on a normal day ?
I feel soooo sorry for them .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the default behavior is basically traffic lights in Los Angeles on a normal day?
I feel soooo sorry for them.
;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997826</id>
	<title>This Failure Outlines Greater Issues ...</title>
	<author>neonprimetime</author>
	<datestamp>1257450960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... who cares about nation-wide traffic light outages<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... especially in comparison with nation-wide power grid outages.  Exactly why it is not always a good thing for the big bad government to control everything at one central point<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I personally think that for items like this, we need it piece meal<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so that we ensure we don't have nation-wide issues that could potentially put us at risk.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... who cares about nation-wide traffic light outages ... especially in comparison with nation-wide power grid outages .
Exactly why it is not always a good thing for the big bad government to control everything at one central point ... I personally think that for items like this , we need it piece meal ... so that we ensure we do n't have nation-wide issues that could potentially put us at risk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... who cares about nation-wide traffic light outages ... especially in comparison with nation-wide power grid outages.
Exactly why it is not always a good thing for the big bad government to control everything at one central point ... I personally think that for items like this, we need it piece meal ... so that we ensure we don't have nation-wide issues that could potentially put us at risk.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997812</id>
	<title>Re:70s computer</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1257450900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Computers used to be built to last. Repairs would be at the board level, but those were usually rare, maybe once a year.<br>Buy a PC nowadays, and you'll expect to have to replace it within 3 years. Capacaters exploding off the motherboard is a frequent problem for me, no matter what brand. Laptops usually lose the backlighting shortly after the warranty period ends.<br>Computers may be smaller and faster, but they're a lot less reliable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Computers used to be built to last .
Repairs would be at the board level , but those were usually rare , maybe once a year.Buy a PC nowadays , and you 'll expect to have to replace it within 3 years .
Capacaters exploding off the motherboard is a frequent problem for me , no matter what brand .
Laptops usually lose the backlighting shortly after the warranty period ends.Computers may be smaller and faster , but they 're a lot less reliable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Computers used to be built to last.
Repairs would be at the board level, but those were usually rare, maybe once a year.Buy a PC nowadays, and you'll expect to have to replace it within 3 years.
Capacaters exploding off the motherboard is a frequent problem for me, no matter what brand.
Laptops usually lose the backlighting shortly after the warranty period ends.Computers may be smaller and faster, but they're a lot less reliable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997242</id>
	<title>Wait... Modern?  Basic?</title>
	<author>mr\_josh</author>
	<datestamp>1257448320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let's not go crazy here, I mean, there's not a whole lot that's relatively modern about this if the thing was developed in the friggin' '70s and operates without an efficient backup system.

If anything, it's an example of how much society would \_BENEFIT\_ from a modern system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's not go crazy here , I mean , there 's not a whole lot that 's relatively modern about this if the thing was developed in the friggin ' '70s and operates without an efficient backup system .
If anything , it 's an example of how much society would \ _BENEFIT \ _ from a modern system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's not go crazy here, I mean, there's not a whole lot that's relatively modern about this if the thing was developed in the friggin' '70s and operates without an efficient backup system.
If anything, it's an example of how much society would \_BENEFIT\_ from a modern system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30002776</id>
	<title>Re:I've seen this movie as well...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257437400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Diety?</p><p>I guess she was pretty skinny, come to think of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Diety ? I guess she was pretty skinny , come to think of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Diety?I guess she was pretty skinny, come to think of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997890</id>
	<title>Re:From the 1980s</title>
	<author>WinterSolstice</author>
	<datestamp>1257451200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guessed wrong - I had guessed it was VMS (since I've had experience with VMS doing traffic control).</p><p>Not that my point of 'guess they need to find whoever they laid off in order to outsource' is all that far gone either way<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guessed wrong - I had guessed it was VMS ( since I 've had experience with VMS doing traffic control ) .Not that my point of 'guess they need to find whoever they laid off in order to outsource ' is all that far gone either way : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guessed wrong - I had guessed it was VMS (since I've had experience with VMS doing traffic control).Not that my point of 'guess they need to find whoever they laid off in order to outsource' is all that far gone either way :D</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997122</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998326</id>
	<title>Gridlock in Montgomery County?</title>
	<author>BlueAtlas</author>
	<datestamp>1257452880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nothing new here.  If you have only two highways (495 and 270), with no east-west flow, you get gridlock, and you get it often.  This is no different than a semi flipping over on 495, or a stalled car on Rockville pike, causing bailout to a traffic grid that hasn't been able to handle it for over 20 (30) years.

The fact that Potomac was affected is a good thing.  Those entitled citizens would never consider a bridge to cross the Potomac River into Tyson Corner to ease such congestion, which is exactly the choke point in this entire region.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing new here .
If you have only two highways ( 495 and 270 ) , with no east-west flow , you get gridlock , and you get it often .
This is no different than a semi flipping over on 495 , or a stalled car on Rockville pike , causing bailout to a traffic grid that has n't been able to handle it for over 20 ( 30 ) years .
The fact that Potomac was affected is a good thing .
Those entitled citizens would never consider a bridge to cross the Potomac River into Tyson Corner to ease such congestion , which is exactly the choke point in this entire region .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing new here.
If you have only two highways (495 and 270), with no east-west flow, you get gridlock, and you get it often.
This is no different than a semi flipping over on 495, or a stalled car on Rockville pike, causing bailout to a traffic grid that hasn't been able to handle it for over 20 (30) years.
The fact that Potomac was affected is a good thing.
Those entitled citizens would never consider a bridge to cross the Potomac River into Tyson Corner to ease such congestion, which is exactly the choke point in this entire region.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998650</id>
	<title>Re:I live there</title>
	<author>Anonymous Codger</author>
	<datestamp>1257454320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't had any problem because I ride my bike to the Silver Spring Metro. But my wife got stuck on Rockville Pike yesterday afternoon trying to go to a store. She gave up and headed for home, and the whole trip, which should have been 30 minutes, took her 2 hours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't had any problem because I ride my bike to the Silver Spring Metro .
But my wife got stuck on Rockville Pike yesterday afternoon trying to go to a store .
She gave up and headed for home , and the whole trip , which should have been 30 minutes , took her 2 hours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't had any problem because I ride my bike to the Silver Spring Metro.
But my wife got stuck on Rockville Pike yesterday afternoon trying to go to a store.
She gave up and headed for home, and the whole trip, which should have been 30 minutes, took her 2 hours.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997044</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997128</id>
	<title>MontCo $$</title>
	<author>headhot</author>
	<datestamp>1257447780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For those who aren't familiar with Montgomery County, MD. It is one of, if not the richest counties in the nation. I find it amazing that even in a county like this, the public infrastructure is crumbling.</p><p>They had a massive water main break earlier this year that made the national news.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For those who are n't familiar with Montgomery County , MD .
It is one of , if not the richest counties in the nation .
I find it amazing that even in a county like this , the public infrastructure is crumbling.They had a massive water main break earlier this year that made the national news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those who aren't familiar with Montgomery County, MD.
It is one of, if not the richest counties in the nation.
I find it amazing that even in a county like this, the public infrastructure is crumbling.They had a massive water main break earlier this year that made the national news.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997184</id>
	<title>Re:I live there</title>
	<author>Deag</author>
	<datestamp>1257448020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I noticed it yesterday, I was cursing whoever changed the timing on one of the lights as it was causing a considerable backup. Then I read this.</p><p>I wouldn't call it gridlock though either. Just slightly worse than usual</p><p>It depends on your route also, if you are crossing the main routes rather than going on them it might even make your journey quicker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I noticed it yesterday , I was cursing whoever changed the timing on one of the lights as it was causing a considerable backup .
Then I read this.I would n't call it gridlock though either .
Just slightly worse than usualIt depends on your route also , if you are crossing the main routes rather than going on them it might even make your journey quicker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I noticed it yesterday, I was cursing whoever changed the timing on one of the lights as it was causing a considerable backup.
Then I read this.I wouldn't call it gridlock though either.
Just slightly worse than usualIt depends on your route also, if you are crossing the main routes rather than going on them it might even make your journey quicker.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997044</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997204</id>
	<title>I do!</title>
	<author>NoYob</author>
	<datestamp>1257448140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>...i bet a coke no one knows the root passwod,...r</i> <p>it's <i>"password"</i>!</p><p>This <i>is</i> government, you know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...i bet a coke no one knows the root passwod,...r it 's " password " ! This is government , you know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...i bet a coke no one knows the root passwod,...r it's "password"!This is government, you know.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997018</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001576</id>
	<title>Re:Blame it on Vista?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257424860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some numpty tried to install a service pack on it didn't they...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some numpty tried to install a service pack on it did n't they.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some numpty tried to install a service pack on it didn't they...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997334</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001232</id>
	<title>Re:MontCo $$</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257422520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It took me by surprise that they're (presumably) willing to pay for a phone line for every traffic light in the county that's controlled by this system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It took me by surprise that they 're ( presumably ) willing to pay for a phone line for every traffic light in the county that 's controlled by this system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It took me by surprise that they're (presumably) willing to pay for a phone line for every traffic light in the county that's controlled by this system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997128</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999502</id>
	<title>Re:Not only that...</title>
	<author>FooAtWFU</author>
	<datestamp>1257414660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fair collection machines were <i>unfair!!!!!</i> oh noes corruption in government!!! where is the transparency obama promised us?!?!1111
<p>(did you mean: fare collection machines?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fair collection machines were unfair ! ! ! ! !
oh noes corruption in government ! ! !
where is the transparency obama promised us ? ! ?
! 1111 ( did you mean : fare collection machines ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fair collection machines were unfair!!!!!
oh noes corruption in government!!!
where is the transparency obama promised us?!?
!1111
(did you mean: fare collection machines?
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997136</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997338</id>
	<title>Re:When the system fails, shut the lights off.</title>
	<author>greed</author>
	<datestamp>1257448800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When a traffic signal in Toronto loses contact with the computer, it goes to flashing 4-way red, to remind people it's an all-way-stop now.  They only go to "no signal" if there's a power failure.  (In which case, they're still all-way-stop but despite the radio saying so every time there's a power failure, 70\% of drivers just blow through a dark traffic light at speed.)</p><p>I think all-way-stop on multilane roads are MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than untimed lights.  People have no idea how to deal with multilane roads that have a stop sign; almost no-one will let a left turn through, all sorts of problems like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When a traffic signal in Toronto loses contact with the computer , it goes to flashing 4-way red , to remind people it 's an all-way-stop now .
They only go to " no signal " if there 's a power failure .
( In which case , they 're still all-way-stop but despite the radio saying so every time there 's a power failure , 70 \ % of drivers just blow through a dark traffic light at speed .
) I think all-way-stop on multilane roads are MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than untimed lights .
People have no idea how to deal with multilane roads that have a stop sign ; almost no-one will let a left turn through , all sorts of problems like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When a traffic signal in Toronto loses contact with the computer, it goes to flashing 4-way red, to remind people it's an all-way-stop now.
They only go to "no signal" if there's a power failure.
(In which case, they're still all-way-stop but despite the radio saying so every time there's a power failure, 70\% of drivers just blow through a dark traffic light at speed.
)I think all-way-stop on multilane roads are MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than untimed lights.
People have no idea how to deal with multilane roads that have a stop sign; almost no-one will let a left turn through, all sorts of problems like that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997102</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997280</id>
	<title>Are you sure...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257448560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..that Charlie Croker wasn't involved?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..that Charlie Croker was n't involved ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..that Charlie Croker wasn't involved?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001646</id>
	<title>Data General, you say? Then this seems appropriate</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1257425460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><br>In fact when I've a floppy of a maximum diameter,<br>When I can call a subroutine of infinite parameter,<br>When I can point to registers and keep their current map around,<br>And when I can prevent the need for mystifying wraparound,<br>When I can update record blocks with minimum of suffering,<br>And when I can afford to use a hundred K for buffering,<br>When I've performed a matrix sort and tested the addition rate,<br>You'll marvel at the speed of my asynchronous transmission rate.</i></p><p><i>Though all my better programs that self-reference recursively<br>Have only been obtained through expert spying, done subversively,<br>But still for input vegetable, animal, and mineral,<br>I've built a better model than the one at Data General.<br></i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In fact when I 've a floppy of a maximum diameter,When I can call a subroutine of infinite parameter,When I can point to registers and keep their current map around,And when I can prevent the need for mystifying wraparound,When I can update record blocks with minimum of suffering,And when I can afford to use a hundred K for buffering,When I 've performed a matrix sort and tested the addition rate,You 'll marvel at the speed of my asynchronous transmission rate.Though all my better programs that self-reference recursivelyHave only been obtained through expert spying , done subversively,But still for input vegetable , animal , and mineral,I 've built a better model than the one at Data General .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In fact when I've a floppy of a maximum diameter,When I can call a subroutine of infinite parameter,When I can point to registers and keep their current map around,And when I can prevent the need for mystifying wraparound,When I can update record blocks with minimum of suffering,And when I can afford to use a hundred K for buffering,When I've performed a matrix sort and tested the addition rate,You'll marvel at the speed of my asynchronous transmission rate.Though all my better programs that self-reference recursivelyHave only been obtained through expert spying, done subversively,But still for input vegetable, animal, and mineral,I've built a better model than the one at Data General.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997122</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30000400</id>
	<title>Re:1970's computer</title>
	<author>Bigjeff5</author>
	<datestamp>1257418560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A Pentium 75 won't run a control system, this system was more than likely a VAX or DCS system running VMS, that's what most of the old control systems run where I work.</p><p>They are beastly machines, and solid as a rock - they almost never crash.  You can grind them to a halt, but you'll never get the equivalent of a blue screen of death.  If you can free up whatever resources you managed to hog it'll go on purring like a kitten.  Tons of processing power for their age, and more than likely 64-bit to boot (if they run VMS they have to be 64bit).</p><p>More than likely the situation is some sort of hardware failure, combined with the fact that you can't get 35+ year old hardware any more and it's incredibly difficult to find hardware to run 35+ year old software on, and the fact that they apparently hadn't considered the system going down and thus had no redundancy, and it might take a while to fix this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A Pentium 75 wo n't run a control system , this system was more than likely a VAX or DCS system running VMS , that 's what most of the old control systems run where I work.They are beastly machines , and solid as a rock - they almost never crash .
You can grind them to a halt , but you 'll never get the equivalent of a blue screen of death .
If you can free up whatever resources you managed to hog it 'll go on purring like a kitten .
Tons of processing power for their age , and more than likely 64-bit to boot ( if they run VMS they have to be 64bit ) .More than likely the situation is some sort of hardware failure , combined with the fact that you ca n't get 35 + year old hardware any more and it 's incredibly difficult to find hardware to run 35 + year old software on , and the fact that they apparently had n't considered the system going down and thus had no redundancy , and it might take a while to fix this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A Pentium 75 won't run a control system, this system was more than likely a VAX or DCS system running VMS, that's what most of the old control systems run where I work.They are beastly machines, and solid as a rock - they almost never crash.
You can grind them to a halt, but you'll never get the equivalent of a blue screen of death.
If you can free up whatever resources you managed to hog it'll go on purring like a kitten.
Tons of processing power for their age, and more than likely 64-bit to boot (if they run VMS they have to be 64bit).More than likely the situation is some sort of hardware failure, combined with the fact that you can't get 35+ year old hardware any more and it's incredibly difficult to find hardware to run 35+ year old software on, and the fact that they apparently hadn't considered the system going down and thus had no redundancy, and it might take a while to fix this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997022</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997156</id>
	<title>Re:Where's a traffic cop when you need one?</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1257447900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't matter.  The traffic lights were working fine, the problem was there was no central system that could take a larger view of traffic and sense that turning a light green a block away could prevent a gridlock issue at a specific intersection.  Intelligent traffic control takes traffic that is approaching a heavily congested area and intentionally slows it down, while freeing up cars to LEAVE congested areas more quickly.  They help prevent gridlock by making sure that once a specific light turns green you can actually drive through the intersection, and turns the light red BEFORE cars get caught in the middle of an intersection.</p><p>You see this kind of design a lot in well-designed roads in smaller towns. Busy towns will tend to have lots of stop signs coming in to town, but try to reduce stop signs when leaving town.  The idea is to keep inbound traffic from filling the town faster than departing cars can leave by making sure cars that are leaving can do so as quickly as possible, while cars wanting to come in will be intentionally slowed down.</p><p>A meter maid has no more information about traffic flow at adjacent intersections than an autonomous single light would.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't matter .
The traffic lights were working fine , the problem was there was no central system that could take a larger view of traffic and sense that turning a light green a block away could prevent a gridlock issue at a specific intersection .
Intelligent traffic control takes traffic that is approaching a heavily congested area and intentionally slows it down , while freeing up cars to LEAVE congested areas more quickly .
They help prevent gridlock by making sure that once a specific light turns green you can actually drive through the intersection , and turns the light red BEFORE cars get caught in the middle of an intersection.You see this kind of design a lot in well-designed roads in smaller towns .
Busy towns will tend to have lots of stop signs coming in to town , but try to reduce stop signs when leaving town .
The idea is to keep inbound traffic from filling the town faster than departing cars can leave by making sure cars that are leaving can do so as quickly as possible , while cars wanting to come in will be intentionally slowed down.A meter maid has no more information about traffic flow at adjacent intersections than an autonomous single light would .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't matter.
The traffic lights were working fine, the problem was there was no central system that could take a larger view of traffic and sense that turning a light green a block away could prevent a gridlock issue at a specific intersection.
Intelligent traffic control takes traffic that is approaching a heavily congested area and intentionally slows it down, while freeing up cars to LEAVE congested areas more quickly.
They help prevent gridlock by making sure that once a specific light turns green you can actually drive through the intersection, and turns the light red BEFORE cars get caught in the middle of an intersection.You see this kind of design a lot in well-designed roads in smaller towns.
Busy towns will tend to have lots of stop signs coming in to town, but try to reduce stop signs when leaving town.
The idea is to keep inbound traffic from filling the town faster than departing cars can leave by making sure cars that are leaving can do so as quickly as possible, while cars wanting to come in will be intentionally slowed down.A meter maid has no more information about traffic flow at adjacent intersections than an autonomous single light would.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997248</id>
	<title>Sane default</title>
	<author>colfer</author>
	<datestamp>1257448380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's a sane default at least. Never overestimate a large software system...<br> <br>

Here's a piece about traffic lights optimized for furry bicyclists... <a href="http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2008/09/default-to-green.html" title="blogspot.com">http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2008/09/default-to-green.html</a> [blogspot.com]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... such as "having a simultaneous green phase for bikes to go in all directions at once."</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a sane default at least .
Never overestimate a large software system.. . Here 's a piece about traffic lights optimized for furry bicyclists... http : //hembrow.blogspot.com/2008/09/default-to-green.html [ blogspot.com ] ... such as " having a simultaneous green phase for bikes to go in all directions at once .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a sane default at least.
Never overestimate a large software system... 

Here's a piece about traffic lights optimized for furry bicyclists... http://hembrow.blogspot.com/2008/09/default-to-green.html [blogspot.com] ... such as "having a simultaneous green phase for bikes to go in all directions at once.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998872</id>
	<title>Not new to me.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257412200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to Florida in hurricane season, guys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to Florida in hurricane season , guys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to Florida in hurricane season, guys.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999080</id>
	<title>Re:70s computer</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1257412920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>``Are they wanting the next one to work for 50?''</p><p>Sure, why not?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>` ` Are they wanting the next one to work for 50 ?
''Sure , why not ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>``Are they wanting the next one to work for 50?
''Sure, why not?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998950</id>
	<title>That about sums it up...</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1257412500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I mean, Wheeljack must have had some kind of computer failure if he thought it was a good idea to give the most physically powerful Autobots the most feeble brains available...</p><p>And, really, he could have skipped the whole transformation thing.  It was quite awesome enough having a big metal dinosaur tromping around kicking ass...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , Wheeljack must have had some kind of computer failure if he thought it was a good idea to give the most physically powerful Autobots the most feeble brains available...And , really , he could have skipped the whole transformation thing .
It was quite awesome enough having a big metal dinosaur tromping around kicking ass.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, Wheeljack must have had some kind of computer failure if he thought it was a good idea to give the most physically powerful Autobots the most feeble brains available...And, really, he could have skipped the whole transformation thing.
It was quite awesome enough having a big metal dinosaur tromping around kicking ass...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999718</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257415620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep, traffic circles are much better in most situations.  Much, much, much better.  Particularly in situations which are most common in the USA, suburban and rural intersections.  That also happens to be where they are least likely to be implemented.  Why?  I don't know, probably because we are idiots.  Where traffic circles suck is in large metropolitan downtown area main arteries - you know, those 6-8 lane road meets 6-8 lane road affairs?  It also happens to be where they are more likely to be implemented.  What a mess!  Europe has lots of experience trying to create compromise versions of the traffic circle for high density urban arteries, but even though a lot of them are genius, they still leave a lot to be desired, even in some ways compared with the old fashioned traffic light.  Those situations really call for overpasses to handle the traffic, but lack of space and cost likely render that idea moot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , traffic circles are much better in most situations .
Much , much , much better .
Particularly in situations which are most common in the USA , suburban and rural intersections .
That also happens to be where they are least likely to be implemented .
Why ? I do n't know , probably because we are idiots .
Where traffic circles suck is in large metropolitan downtown area main arteries - you know , those 6-8 lane road meets 6-8 lane road affairs ?
It also happens to be where they are more likely to be implemented .
What a mess !
Europe has lots of experience trying to create compromise versions of the traffic circle for high density urban arteries , but even though a lot of them are genius , they still leave a lot to be desired , even in some ways compared with the old fashioned traffic light .
Those situations really call for overpasses to handle the traffic , but lack of space and cost likely render that idea moot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, traffic circles are much better in most situations.
Much, much, much better.
Particularly in situations which are most common in the USA, suburban and rural intersections.
That also happens to be where they are least likely to be implemented.
Why?  I don't know, probably because we are idiots.
Where traffic circles suck is in large metropolitan downtown area main arteries - you know, those 6-8 lane road meets 6-8 lane road affairs?
It also happens to be where they are more likely to be implemented.
What a mess!
Europe has lots of experience trying to create compromise versions of the traffic circle for high density urban arteries, but even though a lot of them are genius, they still leave a lot to be desired, even in some ways compared with the old fashioned traffic light.
Those situations really call for overpasses to handle the traffic, but lack of space and cost likely render that idea moot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997508</id>
	<title>Re:remind of a Cult of The Dead Cow tfile</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1257449700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You assume it has a password, and the concept of user accounts for that matter.</p><p>If its sitting in some secure control room somewhere it may not require one.  Password protection is far less important when you aren't on a network that unauthorized people have access to.</p><p>Of course, just because its been sitting there since the 70s doesn't mean it hasn't been modified, the area's traffic is in constant flux and it would need constant adjustment to remain efficient.  Its most certainly been modified hundreds of times, I'm sure several times this year alone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You assume it has a password , and the concept of user accounts for that matter.If its sitting in some secure control room somewhere it may not require one .
Password protection is far less important when you are n't on a network that unauthorized people have access to.Of course , just because its been sitting there since the 70s does n't mean it has n't been modified , the area 's traffic is in constant flux and it would need constant adjustment to remain efficient .
Its most certainly been modified hundreds of times , I 'm sure several times this year alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You assume it has a password, and the concept of user accounts for that matter.If its sitting in some secure control room somewhere it may not require one.
Password protection is far less important when you aren't on a network that unauthorized people have access to.Of course, just because its been sitting there since the 70s doesn't mean it hasn't been modified, the area's traffic is in constant flux and it would need constant adjustment to remain efficient.
Its most certainly been modified hundreds of times, I'm sure several times this year alone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30004372</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257510420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As a UK resident and driver in the true home of the roundabout</p></div><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic\_Roundabout\_(Swindon)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Swindon</a> [wikipedia.org]?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a UK resident and driver in the true home of the roundabout Swindon [ wikipedia.org ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a UK resident and driver in the true home of the roundabout Swindon [wikipedia.org]?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29996974</id>
	<title>Report from the field: "Drivers very confused"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257447120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the lights have turned blue. And near equal proportions of drivers are interpreting blue lights as go and stop. Very messy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the lights have turned blue .
And near equal proportions of drivers are interpreting blue lights as go and stop .
Very messy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the lights have turned blue.
And near equal proportions of drivers are interpreting blue lights as go and stop.
Very messy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997114</id>
	<title>It could've been worse</title>
	<author>davidwr</author>
	<datestamp>1257447720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If there had been a widespread power outage, most of the lights would have been dark.</p><p>Um, what's the protocol when the traffic light is all-ways flashing black/black? *groan*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there had been a widespread power outage , most of the lights would have been dark.Um , what 's the protocol when the traffic light is all-ways flashing black/black ?
* groan *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there had been a widespread power outage, most of the lights would have been dark.Um, what's the protocol when the traffic light is all-ways flashing black/black?
*groan*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997444</id>
	<title>Re:When the system fails, shut the lights off.</title>
	<author>idontgno</author>
	<datestamp>1257449460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True. Since turning off traffic lights also suspends the Pauli Exclusion Principle, vehicles can zip right through each other in the intersection without interacting all.  Brilliant!</p><p>And this just proves that traffic signals are just a conspiracy to get red-light-runner ticket money into corrupt local government budget coffers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True .
Since turning off traffic lights also suspends the Pauli Exclusion Principle , vehicles can zip right through each other in the intersection without interacting all .
Brilliant ! And this just proves that traffic signals are just a conspiracy to get red-light-runner ticket money into corrupt local government budget coffers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True.
Since turning off traffic lights also suspends the Pauli Exclusion Principle, vehicles can zip right through each other in the intersection without interacting all.
Brilliant!And this just proves that traffic signals are just a conspiracy to get red-light-runner ticket money into corrupt local government budget coffers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30002100</id>
	<title>Re:MontCo $$</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257429840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Montgomery County, MD (a.k.a. Money County, Monkey County, and the Peoples Republic of Montgomery County) is far too concerned with subsidizing arts centers (http://www.strathmore.org/) and college tuition for illegal immigrants to be bothered with such banalities as thirty year old traffic computers.</p><p>I personally spent 4.5 hours in the car yesterday as a result.  My opinion?  It's time to bring back the tradition of public stoning!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Montgomery County , MD ( a.k.a .
Money County , Monkey County , and the Peoples Republic of Montgomery County ) is far too concerned with subsidizing arts centers ( http : //www.strathmore.org/ ) and college tuition for illegal immigrants to be bothered with such banalities as thirty year old traffic computers.I personally spent 4.5 hours in the car yesterday as a result .
My opinion ?
It 's time to bring back the tradition of public stoning !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Montgomery County, MD (a.k.a.
Money County, Monkey County, and the Peoples Republic of Montgomery County) is far too concerned with subsidizing arts centers (http://www.strathmore.org/) and college tuition for illegal immigrants to be bothered with such banalities as thirty year old traffic computers.I personally spent 4.5 hours in the car yesterday as a result.
My opinion?
It's time to bring back the tradition of public stoning!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30004166</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>RocketRabbit</author>
	<datestamp>1257506640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Roundabouts suck.  They are terrible for pedestrians and terrible for cyclists, and really terrible in heavy use areas.</p><p>Look kids, Big Ben.  Parliament.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Roundabouts suck .
They are terrible for pedestrians and terrible for cyclists , and really terrible in heavy use areas.Look kids , Big Ben .
Parliament .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Roundabouts suck.
They are terrible for pedestrians and terrible for cyclists, and really terrible in heavy use areas.Look kids, Big Ben.
Parliament.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30002046</id>
	<title>Re:This is reassuring...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257429300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Couldn't the cop just have two flashlight, red and green?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't the cop just have two flashlight , red and green ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't the cop just have two flashlight, red and green?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001324</id>
	<title>Re:remind of a Cult of The Dead Cow tfile</title>
	<author>DigitAl56K</author>
	<datestamp>1257423060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>back in the day i read a "tfile" by Sunspot IIRC that explained how to break into those boxes attached the stop lights at intersections and make every light stay green all the time.</i></p><p>Did it involve disconnecting the other lights and wiring the green light straight up to the power source?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>back in the day i read a " tfile " by Sunspot IIRC that explained how to break into those boxes attached the stop lights at intersections and make every light stay green all the time.Did it involve disconnecting the other lights and wiring the green light straight up to the power source ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>back in the day i read a "tfile" by Sunspot IIRC that explained how to break into those boxes attached the stop lights at intersections and make every light stay green all the time.Did it involve disconnecting the other lights and wiring the green light straight up to the power source?
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997138</id>
	<title>In other news:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257447840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A wood rowboat from the '60s develops a leak and sinks to the bottom of lake Woebegone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A wood rowboat from the '60s develops a leak and sinks to the bottom of lake Woebegone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A wood rowboat from the '60s develops a leak and sinks to the bottom of lake Woebegone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997000</id>
	<title>I've seen this movie as well...</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1257447240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I smell foul play...</p><p>Quick, someone get Bruce Willis!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I smell foul play...Quick , someone get Bruce Willis !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I smell foul play...Quick, someone get Bruce Willis!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998346</id>
	<title>SUMO?</title>
	<author>starseeker</author>
	<datestamp>1257453000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe they could make some use of the GPL code from the SUMO project?  <a href="http://sumo.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">http://sumo.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they could make some use of the GPL code from the SUMO project ?
http : //sumo.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they could make some use of the GPL code from the SUMO project?
http://sumo.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30005444</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>cbciv</author>
	<datestamp>1257521580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While the advantages you listed are true, traffic circles (what we call "roundabouts" here in the D.C. area) have cons as well.</p><p>We have quite a few of them in the District.  I used to drive through Washington Circle (<a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s\_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=washington+circle,+washington,+dc&amp;sll=38.902088,-77.047977&amp;sspn=0.023111,0.055747&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=Washington+Circle&amp;hnear=Washington+Circle,+Washington,+DC+20052&amp;ll=38.902489,-77.049994&amp;spn=0.023111,0.055747&amp;z=15" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">Google Map</a> [google.com]) every day on my way to work.  They work well for areas with moderate traffic or where one of the streets has heavy traffic and the other(s) only light traffic.  Unfortunately, that does not describe the traffic in the D.C. area, including Montgomery County.  We have the second worst traffic in the country, after Los Angeles.  We have traffic lights on some entry ramps for our highways to regulate entry so that the four and six lane highways don't get backed up as much.  That's how bad it is.</p><p>Also, circles require more room than intersections.  A lot of our major roads around here have three or four lanes going in each direction.  A three or four lane circle would take up quite a bit of space and becomes more daunting to navigate.</p><p>Are circles better than unsynchronized traffic lights during a D.C. rush hour?  Possibly.  Are they better than synchronized traffic lights the other 360 days a year?  I doubt it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While the advantages you listed are true , traffic circles ( what we call " roundabouts " here in the D.C. area ) have cons as well.We have quite a few of them in the District .
I used to drive through Washington Circle ( Google Map [ google.com ] ) every day on my way to work .
They work well for areas with moderate traffic or where one of the streets has heavy traffic and the other ( s ) only light traffic .
Unfortunately , that does not describe the traffic in the D.C. area , including Montgomery County .
We have the second worst traffic in the country , after Los Angeles .
We have traffic lights on some entry ramps for our highways to regulate entry so that the four and six lane highways do n't get backed up as much .
That 's how bad it is.Also , circles require more room than intersections .
A lot of our major roads around here have three or four lanes going in each direction .
A three or four lane circle would take up quite a bit of space and becomes more daunting to navigate.Are circles better than unsynchronized traffic lights during a D.C. rush hour ?
Possibly. Are they better than synchronized traffic lights the other 360 days a year ?
I doubt it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the advantages you listed are true, traffic circles (what we call "roundabouts" here in the D.C. area) have cons as well.We have quite a few of them in the District.
I used to drive through Washington Circle (Google Map [google.com]) every day on my way to work.
They work well for areas with moderate traffic or where one of the streets has heavy traffic and the other(s) only light traffic.
Unfortunately, that does not describe the traffic in the D.C. area, including Montgomery County.
We have the second worst traffic in the country, after Los Angeles.
We have traffic lights on some entry ramps for our highways to regulate entry so that the four and six lane highways don't get backed up as much.
That's how bad it is.Also, circles require more room than intersections.
A lot of our major roads around here have three or four lanes going in each direction.
A three or four lane circle would take up quite a bit of space and becomes more daunting to navigate.Are circles better than unsynchronized traffic lights during a D.C. rush hour?
Possibly.  Are they better than synchronized traffic lights the other 360 days a year?
I doubt it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999402</id>
	<title>Re:I've seen this movie as well...</title>
	<author>Kittenman</author>
	<datestamp>1257414300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wrong movie!  Traffic lights also featured in "The Italian Job" - the original (of course).
<p>
By the way, you're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong movie !
Traffic lights also featured in " The Italian Job " - the original ( of course ) .
By the way , you 're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong movie!
Traffic lights also featured in "The Italian Job" - the original (of course).
By the way, you're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998332</id>
	<title>Re:70s computer</title>
	<author>telso</author>
	<datestamp>1257452940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I reach for my 70's era calculator and estimate the operational life of 34 years for this system. Some Fragility. Who or what at the Post has been there that long.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Washington Post?  1970s?  Any big events during that time that are still relevant today?  I know there's something, I just can't <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob\_Woodward" title="wikipedia.org">gate</a> [wikipedia.org] my mind around it....</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I reach for my 70 's era calculator and estimate the operational life of 34 years for this system .
Some Fragility .
Who or what at the Post has been there that long .
Washington Post ?
1970s ? Any big events during that time that are still relevant today ?
I know there 's something , I just ca n't gate [ wikipedia.org ] my mind around it... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I reach for my 70's era calculator and estimate the operational life of 34 years for this system.
Some Fragility.
Who or what at the Post has been there that long.
Washington Post?
1970s?  Any big events during that time that are still relevant today?
I know there's something, I just can't gate [wikipedia.org] my mind around it....
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997286</id>
	<title>Re:From the 1980s</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1257448560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmm, I know of a company that started out as a specialist in aftermarket support for DG boxes, wonder how hard they have looked for replacement parts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , I know of a company that started out as a specialist in aftermarket support for DG boxes , wonder how hard they have looked for replacement parts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, I know of a company that started out as a specialist in aftermarket support for DG boxes, wonder how hard they have looked for replacement parts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997122</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30005562</id>
	<title>Re:I've seen this movie as well...</title>
	<author>H. Abdensen</author>
	<datestamp>1257522420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Looks like Bruce saved the day:  <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/05/AR2009110502344.html?hpid=newswell" title="washingtonpost.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/05/AR2009110502344.html?hpid=newswell</a> [washingtonpost.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like Bruce saved the day : http : //www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/05/AR2009110502344.html ? hpid = newswell [ washingtonpost.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like Bruce saved the day:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/05/AR2009110502344.html?hpid=newswell [washingtonpost.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997000</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998522</id>
	<title>Re:MontCo $$</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257453720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has nothing to do really, with where the system is located.  This has everything to do with the US air traffic control system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has nothing to do really , with where the system is located .
This has everything to do with the US air traffic control system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has nothing to do really, with where the system is located.
This has everything to do with the US air traffic control system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997128</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997478</id>
	<title>Re:remind of a Cult of The Dead Cow tfile</title>
	<author>EvilBudMan</author>
	<datestamp>1257449580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe they could turn it off and back on and it would work?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they could turn it off and back on and it would work ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they could turn it off and back on and it would work?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997018</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997010</id>
	<title>Waiting for it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257447240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Waiting for the Hackers movie references in 3...2...1...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Waiting for the Hackers movie references in 3...2...1.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Waiting for the Hackers movie references in 3...2...1...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998624</id>
	<title>Re:Have a taste of living in Los Angeles!</title>
	<author>Unnngh!</author>
	<datestamp>1257454200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The DC metro area is the second most congested in the country next to LA, so, it's probably worse than you may imagine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The DC metro area is the second most congested in the country next to LA , so , it 's probably worse than you may imagine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The DC metro area is the second most congested in the country next to LA, so, it's probably worse than you may imagine.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30000026</id>
	<title>Re:remind of a Cult of The Dead Cow tfile</title>
	<author>rainmaestro</author>
	<datestamp>1257416880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A machine that old? The password is bound to be: sex, love, secret or god =)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A machine that old ?
The password is bound to be : sex , love , secret or god = )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A machine that old?
The password is bound to be: sex, love, secret or god =)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997018</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997966</id>
	<title>Re:Roundabouts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257451500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>we have them in New Jersey and they are great fun!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>we have them in New Jersey and they are great fun !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we have them in New Jersey and they are great fun!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30004040</id>
	<title>Re:70s computer</title>
	<author>uninformedLuddite</author>
	<datestamp>1257504420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i have an old pdp-11/23 in the garage with a couple of vt-100s. I switch it on every now and then and it still works fine. these machines were considered to be becoming obsolete and replaceable in the 1970's. The only problem it ever had was a MUX that went insane. easy fixed and still runs like a dream.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i have an old pdp-11/23 in the garage with a couple of vt-100s .
I switch it on every now and then and it still works fine .
these machines were considered to be becoming obsolete and replaceable in the 1970 's .
The only problem it ever had was a MUX that went insane .
easy fixed and still runs like a dream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i have an old pdp-11/23 in the garage with a couple of vt-100s.
I switch it on every now and then and it still works fine.
these machines were considered to be becoming obsolete and replaceable in the 1970's.
The only problem it ever had was a MUX that went insane.
easy fixed and still runs like a dream.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997812</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997210</id>
	<title>normal for Fairfax County</title>
	<author>mdmarkus</author>
	<datestamp>1257448140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just across the river in Fairfax County, Virginia, this is the normal behavior for lights.  In fact, i suspect some of them are timed so as you get released from one light, the next one (200m away) turns red.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just across the river in Fairfax County , Virginia , this is the normal behavior for lights .
In fact , i suspect some of them are timed so as you get released from one light , the next one ( 200m away ) turns red .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just across the river in Fairfax County, Virginia, this is the normal behavior for lights.
In fact, i suspect some of them are timed so as you get released from one light, the next one (200m away) turns red.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998250</id>
	<title>Sweet!</title>
	<author>Brian Feldman</author>
	<datestamp>1257452700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is my home county for the past eight years, and I think the default traffic patterns are actually probably going to be a significant improvement.  I am not a traffic engineer but I am amazed at the number of lights in the county that have clearly <i>wrong</i> behavior where most of the time there is a green light going in the direction there is no one at all traveling at that time of day.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is my home county for the past eight years , and I think the default traffic patterns are actually probably going to be a significant improvement .
I am not a traffic engineer but I am amazed at the number of lights in the county that have clearly wrong behavior where most of the time there is a green light going in the direction there is no one at all traveling at that time of day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is my home county for the past eight years, and I think the default traffic patterns are actually probably going to be a significant improvement.
I am not a traffic engineer but I am amazed at the number of lights in the county that have clearly wrong behavior where most of the time there is a green light going in the direction there is no one at all traveling at that time of day.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30004364</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>gtall</author>
	<datestamp>1257510240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hehehehehe...you are suggesting roundabouts for Maryland drivers? That's like inviting them all to a demolition derby. I doubt you could get them all to agree in which direction to round. Think the 5th horseman of the apocalypse, the first 4 would have been merely warm up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hehehehehe...you are suggesting roundabouts for Maryland drivers ?
That 's like inviting them all to a demolition derby .
I doubt you could get them all to agree in which direction to round .
Think the 5th horseman of the apocalypse , the first 4 would have been merely warm up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hehehehehe...you are suggesting roundabouts for Maryland drivers?
That's like inviting them all to a demolition derby.
I doubt you could get them all to agree in which direction to round.
Think the 5th horseman of the apocalypse, the first 4 would have been merely warm up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997960</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30003532</id>
	<title>Simple to fix</title>
	<author>zmollusc</author>
	<datestamp>1257537840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just switch all the traffic lights off.<br>Seriously. I have never, in decades of driving, seen longer queues at broken traffic lights than when they were working. This is especially true at a busy crossroads on my old route to work, working traffic lights meant a queue of 12 - 20 cars in each direction whereas broken traffic lights had less than 5 cars in any direction. Same roads, same time of day.</p><p>The traffic light manufacturers must be bribing the local councils and highways departments pretty good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just switch all the traffic lights off.Seriously .
I have never , in decades of driving , seen longer queues at broken traffic lights than when they were working .
This is especially true at a busy crossroads on my old route to work , working traffic lights meant a queue of 12 - 20 cars in each direction whereas broken traffic lights had less than 5 cars in any direction .
Same roads , same time of day.The traffic light manufacturers must be bribing the local councils and highways departments pretty good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just switch all the traffic lights off.Seriously.
I have never, in decades of driving, seen longer queues at broken traffic lights than when they were working.
This is especially true at a busy crossroads on my old route to work, working traffic lights meant a queue of 12 - 20 cars in each direction whereas broken traffic lights had less than 5 cars in any direction.
Same roads, same time of day.The traffic light manufacturers must be bribing the local councils and highways departments pretty good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998882</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Darth\_brooks</author>
	<datestamp>1257412260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>(d) don't require maintenance</i></p><p>Other than pot hole filling, plowing, drain maintenance (if applicable), line painting, and median maintenance.</p><p>So really, other than additional engineering to the right of way, installation, and changes to existing pedestrian right of ways, you've got a bang-up idea there.</p><p>Disclaimer: I'm actually a supporter of roundabouts, I just prefer the right tool for the job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( d ) do n't require maintenanceOther than pot hole filling , plowing , drain maintenance ( if applicable ) , line painting , and median maintenance.So really , other than additional engineering to the right of way , installation , and changes to existing pedestrian right of ways , you 've got a bang-up idea there.Disclaimer : I 'm actually a supporter of roundabouts , I just prefer the right tool for the job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(d) don't require maintenanceOther than pot hole filling, plowing, drain maintenance (if applicable), line painting, and median maintenance.So really, other than additional engineering to the right of way, installation, and changes to existing pedestrian right of ways, you've got a bang-up idea there.Disclaimer: I'm actually a supporter of roundabouts, I just prefer the right tool for the job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999286</id>
	<title>Re:Roundabouts</title>
	<author>mschuyler</author>
	<datestamp>1257413760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Roundabouts certainly take up less space than cloverleaves, but to suggest they are 'the answer' is problematical. Anyone who has driven in a country with extensive roundabouts, such as Great Britain, knows rush hour traffic can be backed up at a roundabout just as easily as it can with a stoplight. And when you have several roundabouts within a few feet, it gets worse fast. Unless you've been through a triple roundabout with buildings in the middle while dealing with an unfamiliar right-hand drive car in the left lane, I maintain you haven't lived.</p><p>Roundbouts are getting more and more popular in America. Any new or revised intersection is a candidate. Where there were none in my county a decade ago, now there are dozens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Roundabouts certainly take up less space than cloverleaves , but to suggest they are 'the answer ' is problematical .
Anyone who has driven in a country with extensive roundabouts , such as Great Britain , knows rush hour traffic can be backed up at a roundabout just as easily as it can with a stoplight .
And when you have several roundabouts within a few feet , it gets worse fast .
Unless you 've been through a triple roundabout with buildings in the middle while dealing with an unfamiliar right-hand drive car in the left lane , I maintain you have n't lived.Roundbouts are getting more and more popular in America .
Any new or revised intersection is a candidate .
Where there were none in my county a decade ago , now there are dozens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Roundabouts certainly take up less space than cloverleaves, but to suggest they are 'the answer' is problematical.
Anyone who has driven in a country with extensive roundabouts, such as Great Britain, knows rush hour traffic can be backed up at a roundabout just as easily as it can with a stoplight.
And when you have several roundabouts within a few feet, it gets worse fast.
Unless you've been through a triple roundabout with buildings in the middle while dealing with an unfamiliar right-hand drive car in the left lane, I maintain you haven't lived.Roundbouts are getting more and more popular in America.
Any new or revised intersection is a candidate.
Where there were none in my county a decade ago, now there are dozens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997334</id>
	<title>Blame it on Vista?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257448800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was going to say we should blame this on Windows Vista, until I saw the part about the computer system dating back to the 1970s, so that wouldn't work. Still, there's got to be some way we can put the fault on Micro$oft? Maybe the computer was in need of some necessary maintenance, and the technician whose responsibility that was was too tied up in a game of Minesweeper or Solitaire, or something?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to say we should blame this on Windows Vista , until I saw the part about the computer system dating back to the 1970s , so that would n't work .
Still , there 's got to be some way we can put the fault on Micro $ oft ?
Maybe the computer was in need of some necessary maintenance , and the technician whose responsibility that was was too tied up in a game of Minesweeper or Solitaire , or something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to say we should blame this on Windows Vista, until I saw the part about the computer system dating back to the 1970s, so that wouldn't work.
Still, there's got to be some way we can put the fault on Micro$oft?
Maybe the computer was in need of some necessary maintenance, and the technician whose responsibility that was was too tied up in a game of Minesweeper or Solitaire, or something?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999272</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Quirkz</author>
	<datestamp>1257413760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Having lived and worked near roundabouts, I can assure you that the theory and the actual results about roundabouts are not the same. The theory is good. In practice, they're much, much worse than simple lights. Human intelligent behavior is a lot harder to come by than artificial intelligence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having lived and worked near roundabouts , I can assure you that the theory and the actual results about roundabouts are not the same .
The theory is good .
In practice , they 're much , much worse than simple lights .
Human intelligent behavior is a lot harder to come by than artificial intelligence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having lived and worked near roundabouts, I can assure you that the theory and the actual results about roundabouts are not the same.
The theory is good.
In practice, they're much, much worse than simple lights.
Human intelligent behavior is a lot harder to come by than artificial intelligence.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997960</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999006</id>
	<title>Re:MontCo $$</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257412680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in Montgomery county... the whole thing is pretty funny.<br>As for being rich, you can be rich and not know how to spend money. The have a promethean board in almost every room at my highschool, but never have any paper towels or tissues. For example.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Montgomery county... the whole thing is pretty funny.As for being rich , you can be rich and not know how to spend money .
The have a promethean board in almost every room at my highschool , but never have any paper towels or tissues .
For example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Montgomery county... the whole thing is pretty funny.As for being rich, you can be rich and not know how to spend money.
The have a promethean board in almost every room at my highschool, but never have any paper towels or tissues.
For example.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997128</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997066</id>
	<title>NBU</title>
	<author>Mekkah</author>
	<datestamp>1257447540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.symantec.com/netbackup" title="symantec.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.symantec.com/netbackup</a> [symantec.com]

<br> <br>
Just throwing that out there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.symantec.com/netbackup [ symantec.com ] Just throwing that out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.symantec.com/netbackup [symantec.com]

 
Just throwing that out there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997358</id>
	<title>Re:This is reassuring...</title>
	<author>Shadyman</author>
	<datestamp>1257448980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Indeed. However, you can take heart in the fact that each intersection has its lights controlled by a computer (an embedded microcontroller or microprocessor), which is usually installed in a grey box at one of the corners. This controls the intersection's lights, including crosswalks, and takes input from inductive sensors in most lanes. If any part of this computer fails or does not pass sanity checks, the lights flash red, requiring a team to visit the intersection's box to diagnose and fix the problem.<br> <br>
In this case, the article says it's just a matter of the intersections not knowing what time it is, saying "...[w]hen they were supposed to switch to morning rush mode, from 7 to 7:30, they kept rocking along at a rhythm better suited to Sunday morning."<br> <br>
IIRC, older systems used a dial-up modem to report problems to head office, or receive new instructions from it, whereas newer systems use DSL to communicate. The article says, "...[t]hey know where the problem is, but they just don't know what it is... The server seems to be sending the signal, but the conduit is not transferring the information to the signal lights."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
However , you can take heart in the fact that each intersection has its lights controlled by a computer ( an embedded microcontroller or microprocessor ) , which is usually installed in a grey box at one of the corners .
This controls the intersection 's lights , including crosswalks , and takes input from inductive sensors in most lanes .
If any part of this computer fails or does not pass sanity checks , the lights flash red , requiring a team to visit the intersection 's box to diagnose and fix the problem .
In this case , the article says it 's just a matter of the intersections not knowing what time it is , saying " ... [ w ] hen they were supposed to switch to morning rush mode , from 7 to 7 : 30 , they kept rocking along at a rhythm better suited to Sunday morning .
" IIRC , older systems used a dial-up modem to report problems to head office , or receive new instructions from it , whereas newer systems use DSL to communicate .
The article says , " ... [ t ] hey know where the problem is , but they just do n't know what it is... The server seems to be sending the signal , but the conduit is not transferring the information to the signal lights .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
However, you can take heart in the fact that each intersection has its lights controlled by a computer (an embedded microcontroller or microprocessor), which is usually installed in a grey box at one of the corners.
This controls the intersection's lights, including crosswalks, and takes input from inductive sensors in most lanes.
If any part of this computer fails or does not pass sanity checks, the lights flash red, requiring a team to visit the intersection's box to diagnose and fix the problem.
In this case, the article says it's just a matter of the intersections not knowing what time it is, saying "...[w]hen they were supposed to switch to morning rush mode, from 7 to 7:30, they kept rocking along at a rhythm better suited to Sunday morning.
" 
IIRC, older systems used a dial-up modem to report problems to head office, or receive new instructions from it, whereas newer systems use DSL to communicate.
The article says, "...[t]hey know where the problem is, but they just don't know what it is... The server seems to be sending the signal, but the conduit is not transferring the information to the signal lights.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001376</id>
	<title>Redundancy!</title>
	<author>Puff\_Of\_Hot\_Air</author>
	<datestamp>1257423420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Props to whoever mantains this system that the issue does occur more frequently, but this is a problem with a simple solution. Redundancy. The system is probably too old to be configurable to automatically swap, but a simple setup with two servers allowing a manual hot-swap, is all you need. Not a difficult problem to solve.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Props to whoever mantains this system that the issue does occur more frequently , but this is a problem with a simple solution .
Redundancy. The system is probably too old to be configurable to automatically swap , but a simple setup with two servers allowing a manual hot-swap , is all you need .
Not a difficult problem to solve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Props to whoever mantains this system that the issue does occur more frequently, but this is a problem with a simple solution.
Redundancy. The system is probably too old to be configurable to automatically swap, but a simple setup with two servers allowing a manual hot-swap, is all you need.
Not a difficult problem to solve.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997162</id>
	<title>This is reassuring...</title>
	<author>wirelessbuzzers</author>
	<datestamp>1257447900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The upside in this is that the lights still work when the controller is down.  They don't go flashing red, stay red, turn off or something worse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The upside in this is that the lights still work when the controller is down .
They do n't go flashing red , stay red , turn off or something worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The upside in this is that the lights still work when the controller is down.
They don't go flashing red, stay red, turn off or something worse.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30005692</id>
	<title>Re:This is reassuring...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257523200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have seen fail programmed into the traffic lights. In my home town, there are some intersections where, once every cycle, pedestrian lights go green and vehicle lights go red in every direction, so that pedestrians can cross the intersection at every direction, including diagonally. At midnight, the traffic lights switch to "flashing yellow" mode, which means that "yield" and "stop" signs are now in effect. Sometimes it happens that the lights turn yellow when the pedestrians are crossing the intersection. Seeing the red lights turn yellow, the drivers anticipate a green light and start moving. From all directions at once...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have seen fail programmed into the traffic lights .
In my home town , there are some intersections where , once every cycle , pedestrian lights go green and vehicle lights go red in every direction , so that pedestrians can cross the intersection at every direction , including diagonally .
At midnight , the traffic lights switch to " flashing yellow " mode , which means that " yield " and " stop " signs are now in effect .
Sometimes it happens that the lights turn yellow when the pedestrians are crossing the intersection .
Seeing the red lights turn yellow , the drivers anticipate a green light and start moving .
From all directions at once.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have seen fail programmed into the traffic lights.
In my home town, there are some intersections where, once every cycle, pedestrian lights go green and vehicle lights go red in every direction, so that pedestrians can cross the intersection at every direction, including diagonally.
At midnight, the traffic lights switch to "flashing yellow" mode, which means that "yield" and "stop" signs are now in effect.
Sometimes it happens that the lights turn yellow when the pedestrians are crossing the intersection.
Seeing the red lights turn yellow, the drivers anticipate a green light and start moving.
From all directions at once...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997368</id>
	<title>Re:normal for Fairfax County</title>
	<author>dsieburgh</author>
	<datestamp>1257449040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ha. Very true. I used to live in Arlington...

Someone posted on washingtonpost.com yesterday about this situation by say: "So Montgomery County today, is just like Northern Virginia everyday..."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ha .
Very true .
I used to live in Arlington.. . Someone posted on washingtonpost.com yesterday about this situation by say : " So Montgomery County today , is just like Northern Virginia everyday... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ha.
Very true.
I used to live in Arlington...

Someone posted on washingtonpost.com yesterday about this situation by say: "So Montgomery County today, is just like Northern Virginia everyday..."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998528</id>
	<title>Re:1970's computer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257453720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Getting rid of a 40 year old system also means trashing 40 years of hard lessons.</p></div><p>So <i>that's</i> what happened to Wall Street!!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Getting rid of a 40 year old system also means trashing 40 years of hard lessons.So that 's what happened to Wall Street !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Getting rid of a 40 year old system also means trashing 40 years of hard lessons.So that's what happened to Wall Street!
!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998514</id>
	<title>ASSHO</title>
	<author>Migraineman</author>
	<datestamp>1257453720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American\_Association\_of\_State\_Highway\_and\_Transportation\_Officials" title="wikipedia.org">The American Association of State Highway Officials (AASHO)</a> [wikipedia.org] was founded on December 12, 1914. Its name was changed to American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials on November 13, 1973"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... after members <a href="http://new.wavlist.com/movies/091/spbl-assholes.wav" title="wavlist.com">became fed-up with the acronym.</a> [wavlist.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The American Association of State Highway Officials ( AASHO ) [ wikipedia.org ] was founded on December 12 , 1914 .
Its name was changed to American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials on November 13 , 1973 " ... after members became fed-up with the acronym .
[ wavlist.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The American Association of State Highway Officials (AASHO) [wikipedia.org] was founded on December 12, 1914.
Its name was changed to American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials on November 13, 1973" ... after members became fed-up with the acronym.
[wavlist.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999132</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>fridaynightsmoke</author>
	<datestamp>1257413220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a UK resident and driver in the true home of the roundabout, I wish to tell you that roundabouts are not a panacea.</p><p>Roundabouts work best for light to moderate traffic, where all 4 directions and all movements (left turn, right turn etc) are fairly equal in demand. For heavy traffic, they very quickly congest as traffic builds on the roundabout and blocks all entry. Indeed, round here most busy/large roundabouts have traffic lights on them as well, with varying degrees of success.</p><p> As for "gas consumption from forced arbitrary deceleration and acceleration is reduced" - I strongly disagree. Here roundabouts are used as a form of 'traffic calming', ie a deliberate obstacle to slow traffic. With a traffic light its a 50/50 chance between stopping completely and carrying on at cruising speed. With roundabouts there is always a decelerate/accelerate cycle, which depending on the design of the junction can be quite severe. In Birmingham (UK) and elsewhere. there was even a recent fad among local traffic engineers to plant high vegetation on the sightlines for approaching traffic to force all vehicles entering the roundabout to slow to below 5mph to be able to see traffic on the junction. On some examples here you have maybe 3 ft before the roundabout itself where you can see oncoming vehicles.</p><p>Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that roundabouts are rubbish and traffic lights are good, but theres different solutions to different problems. Replacing non-synchronised traffic lights with roundabouts in a situation with very heavy traffic would have a very much worse result.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a UK resident and driver in the true home of the roundabout , I wish to tell you that roundabouts are not a panacea.Roundabouts work best for light to moderate traffic , where all 4 directions and all movements ( left turn , right turn etc ) are fairly equal in demand .
For heavy traffic , they very quickly congest as traffic builds on the roundabout and blocks all entry .
Indeed , round here most busy/large roundabouts have traffic lights on them as well , with varying degrees of success .
As for " gas consumption from forced arbitrary deceleration and acceleration is reduced " - I strongly disagree .
Here roundabouts are used as a form of 'traffic calming ' , ie a deliberate obstacle to slow traffic .
With a traffic light its a 50/50 chance between stopping completely and carrying on at cruising speed .
With roundabouts there is always a decelerate/accelerate cycle , which depending on the design of the junction can be quite severe .
In Birmingham ( UK ) and elsewhere .
there was even a recent fad among local traffic engineers to plant high vegetation on the sightlines for approaching traffic to force all vehicles entering the roundabout to slow to below 5mph to be able to see traffic on the junction .
On some examples here you have maybe 3 ft before the roundabout itself where you can see oncoming vehicles.Do n't get me wrong , I 'm not saying that roundabouts are rubbish and traffic lights are good , but theres different solutions to different problems .
Replacing non-synchronised traffic lights with roundabouts in a situation with very heavy traffic would have a very much worse result .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a UK resident and driver in the true home of the roundabout, I wish to tell you that roundabouts are not a panacea.Roundabouts work best for light to moderate traffic, where all 4 directions and all movements (left turn, right turn etc) are fairly equal in demand.
For heavy traffic, they very quickly congest as traffic builds on the roundabout and blocks all entry.
Indeed, round here most busy/large roundabouts have traffic lights on them as well, with varying degrees of success.
As for "gas consumption from forced arbitrary deceleration and acceleration is reduced" - I strongly disagree.
Here roundabouts are used as a form of 'traffic calming', ie a deliberate obstacle to slow traffic.
With a traffic light its a 50/50 chance between stopping completely and carrying on at cruising speed.
With roundabouts there is always a decelerate/accelerate cycle, which depending on the design of the junction can be quite severe.
In Birmingham (UK) and elsewhere.
there was even a recent fad among local traffic engineers to plant high vegetation on the sightlines for approaching traffic to force all vehicles entering the roundabout to slow to below 5mph to be able to see traffic on the junction.
On some examples here you have maybe 3 ft before the roundabout itself where you can see oncoming vehicles.Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that roundabouts are rubbish and traffic lights are good, but theres different solutions to different problems.
Replacing non-synchronised traffic lights with roundabouts in a situation with very heavy traffic would have a very much worse result.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001406</id>
	<title>Re:From the 1980s</title>
	<author>Parker51</author>
	<datestamp>1257423600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>More details (in PDF):

<p>

<a href="http://www.baltometro.org/ITS/TSF07-3C-MontCoTSS.pdf" title="baltometro.org" rel="nofollow">Modernization of the Montgomery County Traffic Signal System</a> [baltometro.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More details ( in PDF ) : Modernization of the Montgomery County Traffic Signal System [ baltometro.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More details (in PDF):



Modernization of the Montgomery County Traffic Signal System [baltometro.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30007112</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1257532200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Maybe they could turn it off and back on and it would work?</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they could turn it off and back on and it would work ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they could turn it off and back on and it would work?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999566</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257414960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; Here is Portland OR, we have lots of traffic-calming concepts, including circles.</p><p>
&nbsp; Circles don't work well when bikes and pedestrians intermingle with the auto traffic.</p><p>
&nbsp; Also, on snowy years, there's usually one or two cars slid out to the outer edge of the circle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>  Here is Portland OR , we have lots of traffic-calming concepts , including circles .
  Circles do n't work well when bikes and pedestrians intermingle with the auto traffic .
  Also , on snowy years , there 's usually one or two cars slid out to the outer edge of the circle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
  Here is Portland OR, we have lots of traffic-calming concepts, including circles.
  Circles don't work well when bikes and pedestrians intermingle with the auto traffic.
  Also, on snowy years, there's usually one or two cars slid out to the outer edge of the circle.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30004336</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>devonbowen</author>
	<datestamp>1257509880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I once heard that traffic circles generally increase the number of accidents but decrease the number of fatal accidents. So that's also a factor.</p><p>Devon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I once heard that traffic circles generally increase the number of accidents but decrease the number of fatal accidents .
So that 's also a factor.Devon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I once heard that traffic circles generally increase the number of accidents but decrease the number of fatal accidents.
So that's also a factor.Devon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998616</id>
	<title>So now they work like the lights in Northern Virgi</title>
	<author>bsane</author>
	<datestamp>1257454200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> When the system failed, it caused all signals to default to stand-alone operation, rather than the highly-tuned synchronization that usually serves to facilitate traffic flow during rush hours.</i></p><p>So now they work like the lights in Northern Virginia?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When the system failed , it caused all signals to default to stand-alone operation , rather than the highly-tuned synchronization that usually serves to facilitate traffic flow during rush hours.So now they work like the lights in Northern Virginia ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> When the system failed, it caused all signals to default to stand-alone operation, rather than the highly-tuned synchronization that usually serves to facilitate traffic flow during rush hours.So now they work like the lights in Northern Virginia?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999896</id>
	<title>Re:MontCo $$</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257416400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is is rich, but it is HUGE in physical size and population<br>it's damn near impossible to cross the county in any decent amount of time, the affected lights are along the biggest cross county route</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is is rich , but it is HUGE in physical size and populationit 's damn near impossible to cross the county in any decent amount of time , the affected lights are along the biggest cross county route</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is is rich, but it is HUGE in physical size and populationit's damn near impossible to cross the county in any decent amount of time, the affected lights are along the biggest cross county route</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001588</id>
	<title>Re:70s computer</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1257424980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, why not (well, unless it is more expensive than the occasional failure).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , why not ( well , unless it is more expensive than the occasional failure ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, why not (well, unless it is more expensive than the occasional failure).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997194</id>
	<title>Re:This is reassuring...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257448080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right.  A failure of this system is not an issue of safety, just of horrible, horrible inconvenience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right .
A failure of this system is not an issue of safety , just of horrible , horrible inconvenience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right.
A failure of this system is not an issue of safety, just of horrible, horrible inconvenience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30007238</id>
	<title>Re:70s computer</title>
	<author>ShooterNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1257532980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, it isn't plausible.  There's a dozen ways you could make the timing accurate to a millisecond using modern hardware IF you knew what the timings SHOULD BE.</p><p>That's the rub, though.  You may not be able to tell by looking at the machine code for that ancient computer what exactly it is doing, and what timings the programmers originally intended.  There might be all kind of hidden hacks needed for that particular application.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it is n't plausible .
There 's a dozen ways you could make the timing accurate to a millisecond using modern hardware IF you knew what the timings SHOULD BE.That 's the rub , though .
You may not be able to tell by looking at the machine code for that ancient computer what exactly it is doing , and what timings the programmers originally intended .
There might be all kind of hidden hacks needed for that particular application .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it isn't plausible.
There's a dozen ways you could make the timing accurate to a millisecond using modern hardware IF you knew what the timings SHOULD BE.That's the rub, though.
You may not be able to tell by looking at the machine code for that ancient computer what exactly it is doing, and what timings the programmers originally intended.
There might be all kind of hidden hacks needed for that particular application.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998808</id>
	<title>Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257411900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; When the system failed, it caused all signals to default to stand-alone operation,</p><p>Here I thought it was gonna be some stupid design flaw only exposed when the system broke down, but defaulting to stand-alone behavior when the controlling master system breaks down <b>is</b> the proper thing to do at that point.</p><p>It's interesting how said efficiency allows for fewer roads and lanes than otherwise would be needed to handle that much flow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; When the system failed , it caused all signals to default to stand-alone operation,Here I thought it was gon na be some stupid design flaw only exposed when the system broke down , but defaulting to stand-alone behavior when the controlling master system breaks down is the proper thing to do at that point.It 's interesting how said efficiency allows for fewer roads and lanes than otherwise would be needed to handle that much flow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; When the system failed, it caused all signals to default to stand-alone operation,Here I thought it was gonna be some stupid design flaw only exposed when the system broke down, but defaulting to stand-alone behavior when the controlling master system breaks down is the proper thing to do at that point.It's interesting how said efficiency allows for fewer roads and lanes than otherwise would be needed to handle that much flow.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998010</id>
	<title>old hardware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257451680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most likley it's an IBM 1800 process control computer. This was popular during the early to mid 70's for traffic light control. The program was written in 1800 ASM. Parts must be scarce as are programers and language docs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most likley it 's an IBM 1800 process control computer .
This was popular during the early to mid 70 's for traffic light control .
The program was written in 1800 ASM .
Parts must be scarce as are programers and language docs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most likley it's an IBM 1800 process control computer.
This was popular during the early to mid 70's for traffic light control.
The program was written in 1800 ASM.
Parts must be scarce as are programers and language docs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998490</id>
	<title>Re:1970's computer</title>
	<author>Capt.DrumkenBum</author>
	<datestamp>1257453600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I make my living trashing 40 year old systems.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I make my living trashing 40 year old systems .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I make my living trashing 40 year old systems.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999598</id>
	<title>Re:This is reassuring...</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1257415020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Even in the event of a power failure, they're suppose to stay up on batteries for a while.</i></p><p>Not in Springfield. When the power goes out, the lights do too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even in the event of a power failure , they 're suppose to stay up on batteries for a while.Not in Springfield .
When the power goes out , the lights do too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even in the event of a power failure, they're suppose to stay up on batteries for a while.Not in Springfield.
When the power goes out, the lights do too.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997474</id>
	<title>Re:From the 1980s</title>
	<author>RoverDaddy</author>
	<datestamp>1257449580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Interesting.  I'm old enough to remember that during the late 70's or so, Honeywell used to advertise a system like this during "The Undersea World of Jacques Cousteau".  When the same show gets the same ads practically every week (there was also a memorable ad for Burlington textiles), they stick in your brain.  I wonder if Honeywell supplied this system, using the DG equipment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting .
I 'm old enough to remember that during the late 70 's or so , Honeywell used to advertise a system like this during " The Undersea World of Jacques Cousteau " .
When the same show gets the same ads practically every week ( there was also a memorable ad for Burlington textiles ) , they stick in your brain .
I wonder if Honeywell supplied this system , using the DG equipment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting.
I'm old enough to remember that during the late 70's or so, Honeywell used to advertise a system like this during "The Undersea World of Jacques Cousteau".
When the same show gets the same ads practically every week (there was also a memorable ad for Burlington textiles), they stick in your brain.
I wonder if Honeywell supplied this system, using the DG equipment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30000586</id>
	<title>What old computer?</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1257419460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Big computer in Rockville, MD"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... from the 70's<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... XDS Sigma series perhaps? Xerox had a big presence in Rockville way back then, and their computers were definitely big.  Not particularly powerful, but they did have hardware interrupt and that was fairly new in the early 70's and they did a bit of traffic control work (generally via TRW). In the late 70's, it could have been a PDP-11 of some stripe or even a DEC 10.  Anybody have any particulars?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Big computer in Rockville , MD " ... from the 70 's ... XDS Sigma series perhaps ?
Xerox had a big presence in Rockville way back then , and their computers were definitely big .
Not particularly powerful , but they did have hardware interrupt and that was fairly new in the early 70 's and they did a bit of traffic control work ( generally via TRW ) .
In the late 70 's , it could have been a PDP-11 of some stripe or even a DEC 10 .
Anybody have any particulars ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Big computer in Rockville, MD" ... from the 70's ... XDS Sigma series perhaps?
Xerox had a big presence in Rockville way back then, and their computers were definitely big.
Not particularly powerful, but they did have hardware interrupt and that was fairly new in the early 70's and they did a bit of traffic control work (generally via TRW).
In the late 70's, it could have been a PDP-11 of some stripe or even a DEC 10.
Anybody have any particulars?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998736</id>
	<title>Re:MontCo $$</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257454740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I spent my first 18 years on this earth in Bethesda.  I think part of the problem with Montgomery county is the arrogance you see everywhere.  This goes for people just as it goes for governmental issues.  Strangely, it makes perfect sense to me that this would extend into infrastructure maintenance.  There is this pervasive attitude of, "We're already the greatest place around!  We don't have any problems.  Just read what the Washington Post says about our school district."</p><p>Essentially they are trying to coast on their reputation, as if it exempts them from any responsibility.  A lot of people don't realize reality doesn't quite match reputation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I spent my first 18 years on this earth in Bethesda .
I think part of the problem with Montgomery county is the arrogance you see everywhere .
This goes for people just as it goes for governmental issues .
Strangely , it makes perfect sense to me that this would extend into infrastructure maintenance .
There is this pervasive attitude of , " We 're already the greatest place around !
We do n't have any problems .
Just read what the Washington Post says about our school district .
" Essentially they are trying to coast on their reputation , as if it exempts them from any responsibility .
A lot of people do n't realize reality does n't quite match reputation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I spent my first 18 years on this earth in Bethesda.
I think part of the problem with Montgomery county is the arrogance you see everywhere.
This goes for people just as it goes for governmental issues.
Strangely, it makes perfect sense to me that this would extend into infrastructure maintenance.
There is this pervasive attitude of, "We're already the greatest place around!
We don't have any problems.
Just read what the Washington Post says about our school district.
"Essentially they are trying to coast on their reputation, as if it exempts them from any responsibility.
A lot of people don't realize reality doesn't quite match reputation.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997906</id>
	<title>redundancy</title>
	<author>el\_tedward</author>
	<datestamp>1257451260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>At least from the article, it sounds like they have just one server set up to do this..

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, especially given the things I've heard about other types of infrastructure but isn't one of those things that should really have some hard core built in redundancy? They should really have some backup servers that are ready for this sort of thing to happen and can take over when one of the systems fail.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least from the article , it sounds like they have just one server set up to do this. . I guess I should n't be surprised , especially given the things I 've heard about other types of infrastructure but is n't one of those things that should really have some hard core built in redundancy ?
They should really have some backup servers that are ready for this sort of thing to happen and can take over when one of the systems fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least from the article, it sounds like they have just one server set up to do this..

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, especially given the things I've heard about other types of infrastructure but isn't one of those things that should really have some hard core built in redundancy?
They should really have some backup servers that are ready for this sort of thing to happen and can take over when one of the systems fail.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999968</id>
	<title>Re:I've seen this movie as well...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257416640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No man, you've got the wrong movie too. He totally meant <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackers\_(film)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Hackers</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No man , you 've got the wrong movie too .
He totally meant Hackers [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No man, you've got the wrong movie too.
He totally meant Hackers [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997364</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997498</id>
	<title>Roundabouts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257449700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't you have roundabouts in the US ?<br>This is so much more efficient than traffic lights... and no computers are involved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you have roundabouts in the US ? This is so much more efficient than traffic lights... and no computers are involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you have roundabouts in the US ?This is so much more efficient than traffic lights... and no computers are involved.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997044</id>
	<title>I live there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257447420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I live around this area and I hadn't noticed anything.  I haven't heard anyone complain either..
<br> <br>
I guess traffic was a little heavier yesterday.  Traffic sucks all the time, if it rains it is the apocalypse.
<br> <br>
Hmm.. Strange.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live around this area and I had n't noticed anything .
I have n't heard anyone complain either. . I guess traffic was a little heavier yesterday .
Traffic sucks all the time , if it rains it is the apocalypse .
Hmm.. Strange .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live around this area and I hadn't noticed anything.
I haven't heard anyone complain either..
 
I guess traffic was a little heavier yesterday.
Traffic sucks all the time, if it rains it is the apocalypse.
Hmm.. Strange.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999446</id>
	<title>I was just out there and it is an issue of safety</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257414480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was *just* out on the affected roads in Montgomery County and I can tell you exactly why this failure of this system <b>IS</b> an issue of safety -- more than a few of the people who live/work/commute in this County are self-important idiots who refuse to wait 5 minutes for the traffic light to turn from red to green during rush hour so they just stomp on their car horn and proceed to drive through the red lights!!!  This wasn't happening one or two cars at a time either, it was walls of them all acting as though the traffic lights were off rather than just changing more slowly than they should be.</p><p><b>THAT</b> is an issue of safety.</p><p>I also saw a Montgomery County Police car drive through one such intersection <i>while people were doing that</i> and he/she did not stop to deal with the situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was * just * out on the affected roads in Montgomery County and I can tell you exactly why this failure of this system IS an issue of safety -- more than a few of the people who live/work/commute in this County are self-important idiots who refuse to wait 5 minutes for the traffic light to turn from red to green during rush hour so they just stomp on their car horn and proceed to drive through the red lights ! ! !
This was n't happening one or two cars at a time either , it was walls of them all acting as though the traffic lights were off rather than just changing more slowly than they should be.THAT is an issue of safety.I also saw a Montgomery County Police car drive through one such intersection while people were doing that and he/she did not stop to deal with the situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was *just* out on the affected roads in Montgomery County and I can tell you exactly why this failure of this system IS an issue of safety -- more than a few of the people who live/work/commute in this County are self-important idiots who refuse to wait 5 minutes for the traffic light to turn from red to green during rush hour so they just stomp on their car horn and proceed to drive through the red lights!!!
This wasn't happening one or two cars at a time either, it was walls of them all acting as though the traffic lights were off rather than just changing more slowly than they should be.THAT is an issue of safety.I also saw a Montgomery County Police car drive through one such intersection while people were doing that and he/she did not stop to deal with the situation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30002424</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Ant P.</author>
	<datestamp>1257433200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Roundabouts are a good idea if done right. The ones where I live are anything but. <a href="http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&amp;ll=54.155803,-4.501659&amp;spn=0.00112,0.00294&amp;t=k&amp;z=19" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">Here's</a> [google.com] my personal favourite; normally all the lanes are congested. In rush hour most of the exits are too which makes it even more fun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Roundabouts are a good idea if done right .
The ones where I live are anything but .
Here 's [ google.com ] my personal favourite ; normally all the lanes are congested .
In rush hour most of the exits are too which makes it even more fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Roundabouts are a good idea if done right.
The ones where I live are anything but.
Here's [google.com] my personal favourite; normally all the lanes are congested.
In rush hour most of the exits are too which makes it even more fun.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998468</id>
	<title>Re:Reliable?</title>
	<author>gfreeman</author>
	<datestamp>1257453420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>how much more reliable could you be?</p></div><p>11 more reliable.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>how much more reliable could you be ? 11 more reliable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how much more reliable could you be?11 more reliable.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997220</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999706</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>csartanis</author>
	<datestamp>1257415560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh god... I can't imagine what driving in a city like NY or Chicago would be like with roundabouts at every cross street!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh god... I ca n't imagine what driving in a city like NY or Chicago would be like with roundabouts at every cross street !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh god... I can't imagine what driving in a city like NY or Chicago would be like with roundabouts at every cross street!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997220</id>
	<title>Reliable?</title>
	<author>Caviller</author>
	<datestamp>1257448200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Quote "The county is in the second year of a six-year program that will bring in more <i>modern and reliable equipment.</i>" <br>
<br>
Reliable?!?!?!  If this thing was built back in the 70s and just now has crashed badly....how much more reliable could you be?  I can't get a modern motherboard to last more then 5-7 years before something goes wrong with it....if i'm lucky.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quote " The county is in the second year of a six-year program that will bring in more modern and reliable equipment .
" Reliable ? ! ? ! ? !
If this thing was built back in the 70s and just now has crashed badly....how much more reliable could you be ?
I ca n't get a modern motherboard to last more then 5-7 years before something goes wrong with it....if i 'm lucky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quote "The county is in the second year of a six-year program that will bring in more modern and reliable equipment.
" 

Reliable?!?!?!
If this thing was built back in the 70s and just now has crashed badly....how much more reliable could you be?
I can't get a modern motherboard to last more then 5-7 years before something goes wrong with it....if i'm lucky.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998976</id>
	<title>Re:I've seen this movie as well...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257412560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think he refereth to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die\_Hard\_with\_a\_Vengeance</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think he refereth to : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die \ _Hard \ _with \ _a \ _Vengeance</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think he refereth to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die\_Hard\_with\_a\_Vengeance</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001592</id>
	<title>Re:This is reassuring...</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1257424980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It sounds like a blackout, you know, when there is no power. Even the most sophisticated circuitry and programming have problems with that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It sounds like a blackout , you know , when there is no power .
Even the most sophisticated circuitry and programming have problems with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sounds like a blackout, you know, when there is no power.
Even the most sophisticated circuitry and programming have problems with that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30005498</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257522000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Roundabouts (prefer the descriptive "Traffic Circus") work best when they have a large diameter, which presents a problem when they are to be installed in previously existing roads.</p><p>Also, assuming even minimal intelligence on the part of drivers is unjustifiable, in my professional experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Roundabouts ( prefer the descriptive " Traffic Circus " ) work best when they have a large diameter , which presents a problem when they are to be installed in previously existing roads.Also , assuming even minimal intelligence on the part of drivers is unjustifiable , in my professional experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Roundabouts (prefer the descriptive "Traffic Circus") work best when they have a large diameter, which presents a problem when they are to be installed in previously existing roads.Also, assuming even minimal intelligence on the part of drivers is unjustifiable, in my professional experience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30004192</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1257507000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>I make my living trashing 40 year old systems.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>I make my living trashing 40 year old systems .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I make my living trashing 40 year old systems.
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997824</id>
	<title>Re:When the system fails, shut the lights off.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257450960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Years ago I lived in a New England town with a T intersection downtown.  There was a taffic light in the intersection which was always blocked by people on the top of the T entering the intersection and not being able to get clear.  One day the light failed, and the 1930's vintage parts needed to fix it were not available. As a temporary measure two stop signs were installed.  They worked so well eventually the light was removed, rather than replaced.  Cars at the signs had to alternate between the two roads, and they really couldnt enter the intersection until the last car had left.   The improvement was amazing.  Sometimes technology is NOT the answer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Years ago I lived in a New England town with a T intersection downtown .
There was a taffic light in the intersection which was always blocked by people on the top of the T entering the intersection and not being able to get clear .
One day the light failed , and the 1930 's vintage parts needed to fix it were not available .
As a temporary measure two stop signs were installed .
They worked so well eventually the light was removed , rather than replaced .
Cars at the signs had to alternate between the two roads , and they really couldnt enter the intersection until the last car had left .
The improvement was amazing .
Sometimes technology is NOT the answer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Years ago I lived in a New England town with a T intersection downtown.
There was a taffic light in the intersection which was always blocked by people on the top of the T entering the intersection and not being able to get clear.
One day the light failed, and the 1930's vintage parts needed to fix it were not available.
As a temporary measure two stop signs were installed.
They worked so well eventually the light was removed, rather than replaced.
Cars at the signs had to alternate between the two roads, and they really couldnt enter the intersection until the last car had left.
The improvement was amazing.
Sometimes technology is NOT the answer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30004692</id>
	<title>Wolfram Alpha will save the day!</title>
	<author>mattr</author>
	<datestamp>1257515280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay look, technology has advanced to the point this probably works for 90\% of the time awesomely. Just get a modern server, and someone fueled with Coke in front of it. The combo is way more powerful than whatever they had originally.</p><p>First make an api to the switching network, then map the nodes to match the geography roughly, using google if you must. Throw a machine learning algorithm that simulates lots of ants (okay cars for this project) going through the traffic signal graph and each can have a few characteristics like average speed to destination, gas consumption, frustration, etc. The traffic signals can be tweaked by hand or you can give them genes for different oscillatory patterns.</p><p>If you start with the main arteries first I bet you could quickly develop a traffic signal plan that works great. How much you want to bet this could be done by a bunch of suitably competent types with a nice big prize in a hackathon? Now I'm not saying to plug the network into Wolfram Alpha's server farm but it just might work...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay look , technology has advanced to the point this probably works for 90 \ % of the time awesomely .
Just get a modern server , and someone fueled with Coke in front of it .
The combo is way more powerful than whatever they had originally.First make an api to the switching network , then map the nodes to match the geography roughly , using google if you must .
Throw a machine learning algorithm that simulates lots of ants ( okay cars for this project ) going through the traffic signal graph and each can have a few characteristics like average speed to destination , gas consumption , frustration , etc .
The traffic signals can be tweaked by hand or you can give them genes for different oscillatory patterns.If you start with the main arteries first I bet you could quickly develop a traffic signal plan that works great .
How much you want to bet this could be done by a bunch of suitably competent types with a nice big prize in a hackathon ?
Now I 'm not saying to plug the network into Wolfram Alpha 's server farm but it just might work.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay look, technology has advanced to the point this probably works for 90\% of the time awesomely.
Just get a modern server, and someone fueled with Coke in front of it.
The combo is way more powerful than whatever they had originally.First make an api to the switching network, then map the nodes to match the geography roughly, using google if you must.
Throw a machine learning algorithm that simulates lots of ants (okay cars for this project) going through the traffic signal graph and each can have a few characteristics like average speed to destination, gas consumption, frustration, etc.
The traffic signals can be tweaked by hand or you can give them genes for different oscillatory patterns.If you start with the main arteries first I bet you could quickly develop a traffic signal plan that works great.
How much you want to bet this could be done by a bunch of suitably competent types with a nice big prize in a hackathon?
Now I'm not saying to plug the network into Wolfram Alpha's server farm but it just might work...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001846</id>
	<title>Re:remind of a Cult of The Dead Cow tfile</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1257427200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You would have to hard wire all greens. The relays are wired so that you can't make both sides green. One side must be red for the other to display yellow or green at all.</p><p>I believe on the newer ones, a PLC implements the relays and has a "program" for each valid (safe) state. The controller can only tell the PLC which of those states is wanted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You would have to hard wire all greens .
The relays are wired so that you ca n't make both sides green .
One side must be red for the other to display yellow or green at all.I believe on the newer ones , a PLC implements the relays and has a " program " for each valid ( safe ) state .
The controller can only tell the PLC which of those states is wanted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You would have to hard wire all greens.
The relays are wired so that you can't make both sides green.
One side must be red for the other to display yellow or green at all.I believe on the newer ones, a PLC implements the relays and has a "program" for each valid (safe) state.
The controller can only tell the PLC which of those states is wanted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30002616</id>
	<title>Re:From the 1980s</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257435360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I stopped working for the company that built the system about 3 years ago.  It was a customized version of the Data General as I recall, but I can't remember the exact model it started from.  It's been patch together with duct tape and bailing wire for years.  Systems like it were used across the control until everybody else figured out this constituted a 'bad idea' and moved more of the processing to the controllers on the street.  I worked with guys on and off for several years trying to convince them to change, but they didn't want to hear about it.  It would have killed their budget for 'managing' the traffic as manually as they do (they actually have a helicopter and spotter plane they fly every day to spot trouble areas) so they were very obstinate about it.  Those jokers got what they deserved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I stopped working for the company that built the system about 3 years ago .
It was a customized version of the Data General as I recall , but I ca n't remember the exact model it started from .
It 's been patch together with duct tape and bailing wire for years .
Systems like it were used across the control until everybody else figured out this constituted a 'bad idea ' and moved more of the processing to the controllers on the street .
I worked with guys on and off for several years trying to convince them to change , but they did n't want to hear about it .
It would have killed their budget for 'managing ' the traffic as manually as they do ( they actually have a helicopter and spotter plane they fly every day to spot trouble areas ) so they were very obstinate about it .
Those jokers got what they deserved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I stopped working for the company that built the system about 3 years ago.
It was a customized version of the Data General as I recall, but I can't remember the exact model it started from.
It's been patch together with duct tape and bailing wire for years.
Systems like it were used across the control until everybody else figured out this constituted a 'bad idea' and moved more of the processing to the controllers on the street.
I worked with guys on and off for several years trying to convince them to change, but they didn't want to hear about it.
It would have killed their budget for 'managing' the traffic as manually as they do (they actually have a helicopter and spotter plane they fly every day to spot trouble areas) so they were very obstinate about it.
Those jokers got what they deserved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30000276</id>
	<title>Re:When the system fails, shut the lights off.</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1257417960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No lights is better than badly times lights.</p></div><p>Hmmm... multiplying a quality by a luminaire, and comparing it to a null value. What branch of mathematics is this, exactly?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No lights is better than badly times lights.Hmmm... multiplying a quality by a luminaire , and comparing it to a null value .
What branch of mathematics is this , exactly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No lights is better than badly times lights.Hmmm... multiplying a quality by a luminaire, and comparing it to a null value.
What branch of mathematics is this, exactly?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001440</id>
	<title>Re:remind of a Cult of The Dead Cow tfile</title>
	<author>linebackn</author>
	<datestamp>1257423840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>the system administrator is long gone and the programmers are very long gone. I bet the staff tried to power cycle it thinking it was just like a PC and now they've made the problem 3x worse.</i>
<br> <br>
Very likely. Maintaining an existing system, especially an "older" one, brings no glory to the higherups. With the economy and the layoffs the last couple of years it is almost a sure thing they got rid of anyone still responsible for or knowledgeable of this system. Even when things were good they probably didn't take it seriously and did not keep any in-house backup personnel around, besides employees can just be discarded and replaced like light bulbs right? Right?
<br> <br>
Of course, now the system has gotten everybody's attention.
<br> <br>
I can almost hear some manager there yelling "I told you we should have re-written it in Dot Net!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>the system administrator is long gone and the programmers are very long gone .
I bet the staff tried to power cycle it thinking it was just like a PC and now they 've made the problem 3x worse .
Very likely .
Maintaining an existing system , especially an " older " one , brings no glory to the higherups .
With the economy and the layoffs the last couple of years it is almost a sure thing they got rid of anyone still responsible for or knowledgeable of this system .
Even when things were good they probably did n't take it seriously and did not keep any in-house backup personnel around , besides employees can just be discarded and replaced like light bulbs right ?
Right ? Of course , now the system has gotten everybody 's attention .
I can almost hear some manager there yelling " I told you we should have re-written it in Dot Net !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the system administrator is long gone and the programmers are very long gone.
I bet the staff tried to power cycle it thinking it was just like a PC and now they've made the problem 3x worse.
Very likely.
Maintaining an existing system, especially an "older" one, brings no glory to the higherups.
With the economy and the layoffs the last couple of years it is almost a sure thing they got rid of anyone still responsible for or knowledgeable of this system.
Even when things were good they probably didn't take it seriously and did not keep any in-house backup personnel around, besides employees can just be discarded and replaced like light bulbs right?
Right?
 
Of course, now the system has gotten everybody's attention.
I can almost hear some manager there yelling "I told you we should have re-written it in Dot Net!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998248</id>
	<title>Bad traffic to worse traffic</title>
	<author>whitelabrat</author>
	<datestamp>1257452700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Traffic here is normally awful, but thanks to this it was really bad this morning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Traffic here is normally awful , but thanks to this it was really bad this morning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Traffic here is normally awful, but thanks to this it was really bad this morning.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998324</id>
	<title>Fail-safe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257452880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did anyone else read</p><p><div class="quote"><p> When the system failed, it caused all signals to default to stand-alone operation</p></div><p>as a pretty good thing?</p><p>I mean, any time you have a central system you will have failures in it, that is the nature of systems, but the fact that the central system failure initiated decentralized operation, instead of outright failure, sounds like <i>good</i> design to me. Perhaps the autonomous light program could be made more intelligent to handle central failures better (operate in approximately the same way that you were instructed to exactly a week ago, for instance), but while this is obviously not ideal, things worked out about as well as they could have IMO.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did anyone else read When the system failed , it caused all signals to default to stand-alone operationas a pretty good thing ? I mean , any time you have a central system you will have failures in it , that is the nature of systems , but the fact that the central system failure initiated decentralized operation , instead of outright failure , sounds like good design to me .
Perhaps the autonomous light program could be made more intelligent to handle central failures better ( operate in approximately the same way that you were instructed to exactly a week ago , for instance ) , but while this is obviously not ideal , things worked out about as well as they could have IMO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did anyone else read When the system failed, it caused all signals to default to stand-alone operationas a pretty good thing?I mean, any time you have a central system you will have failures in it, that is the nature of systems, but the fact that the central system failure initiated decentralized operation, instead of outright failure, sounds like good design to me.
Perhaps the autonomous light program could be made more intelligent to handle central failures better (operate in approximately the same way that you were instructed to exactly a week ago, for instance), but while this is obviously not ideal, things worked out about as well as they could have IMO.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001856</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1257427320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They've started constructing roundabouts here in Michigan. I did some traveling when I was younger so I'm pretty familiar with how to manage a variety of traffic management features, including the roundabout. If you're not from the mid-west, let me tell you something: Until very recently, there were no roundabouts in Michigan. They weren't just rare, they were completely non-existent. They aren't even taught in driver's training. In the last few years, I know of three that have been constructed.</p><p>There's one in downtown Lansing that's especially fun. It's been there for a year and every single time I have to go through it, the driver ahead of me stops dead at the entrance for at least 15 seconds before they figure out what to do, even when there's no traffic around. When I finally make it into the roundabout, the other drivers think the Yield sign is merely a suggestion. Or they think that the cars already in the roundabout are supposed to stop and let them enter. And then they honk and/or wave the finger at you when you don't.</p><p>What pisses me off the most is that these roundabouts seemed to be put in for looks or to burn up capital more than anything else. On one I-75 exit, they put in two roundabouts on top of a <b>bridge</b>. It was completely unnecessary. Half of the traffic has to navigate two roundabouts right in a row. Not to mention that it's an industrial area and the exit was frequently used by big semi trucks, the natural enemy of the roundabout. And this is in a fairly rural area, too. Green arrows and double-lane turn lanes are about as sophisticated as these drivers can manage.</p><p>I can't say how progressive Maryland's drivers are about new traffic management features, but it would be a complete wreck (literally) to roll out roundabouts in many parts of the U.S., even if they can theoretically improve traffic flow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 've started constructing roundabouts here in Michigan .
I did some traveling when I was younger so I 'm pretty familiar with how to manage a variety of traffic management features , including the roundabout .
If you 're not from the mid-west , let me tell you something : Until very recently , there were no roundabouts in Michigan .
They were n't just rare , they were completely non-existent .
They are n't even taught in driver 's training .
In the last few years , I know of three that have been constructed.There 's one in downtown Lansing that 's especially fun .
It 's been there for a year and every single time I have to go through it , the driver ahead of me stops dead at the entrance for at least 15 seconds before they figure out what to do , even when there 's no traffic around .
When I finally make it into the roundabout , the other drivers think the Yield sign is merely a suggestion .
Or they think that the cars already in the roundabout are supposed to stop and let them enter .
And then they honk and/or wave the finger at you when you do n't.What pisses me off the most is that these roundabouts seemed to be put in for looks or to burn up capital more than anything else .
On one I-75 exit , they put in two roundabouts on top of a bridge .
It was completely unnecessary .
Half of the traffic has to navigate two roundabouts right in a row .
Not to mention that it 's an industrial area and the exit was frequently used by big semi trucks , the natural enemy of the roundabout .
And this is in a fairly rural area , too .
Green arrows and double-lane turn lanes are about as sophisticated as these drivers can manage.I ca n't say how progressive Maryland 's drivers are about new traffic management features , but it would be a complete wreck ( literally ) to roll out roundabouts in many parts of the U.S. , even if they can theoretically improve traffic flow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They've started constructing roundabouts here in Michigan.
I did some traveling when I was younger so I'm pretty familiar with how to manage a variety of traffic management features, including the roundabout.
If you're not from the mid-west, let me tell you something: Until very recently, there were no roundabouts in Michigan.
They weren't just rare, they were completely non-existent.
They aren't even taught in driver's training.
In the last few years, I know of three that have been constructed.There's one in downtown Lansing that's especially fun.
It's been there for a year and every single time I have to go through it, the driver ahead of me stops dead at the entrance for at least 15 seconds before they figure out what to do, even when there's no traffic around.
When I finally make it into the roundabout, the other drivers think the Yield sign is merely a suggestion.
Or they think that the cars already in the roundabout are supposed to stop and let them enter.
And then they honk and/or wave the finger at you when you don't.What pisses me off the most is that these roundabouts seemed to be put in for looks or to burn up capital more than anything else.
On one I-75 exit, they put in two roundabouts on top of a bridge.
It was completely unnecessary.
Half of the traffic has to navigate two roundabouts right in a row.
Not to mention that it's an industrial area and the exit was frequently used by big semi trucks, the natural enemy of the roundabout.
And this is in a fairly rural area, too.
Green arrows and double-lane turn lanes are about as sophisticated as these drivers can manage.I can't say how progressive Maryland's drivers are about new traffic management features, but it would be a complete wreck (literally) to roll out roundabouts in many parts of the U.S., even if they can theoretically improve traffic flow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997250</id>
	<title>Where?</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1257448380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>From TFA: "They know where the problem is, but they just don't know what it is," she said. "The server seems to be sending the signal, but the conduit is not transferring the information to the signal lights."<br> <br>
I can tell you where it is. Right there on layer 4. Does that help? Then try layer 8.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " They know where the problem is , but they just do n't know what it is , " she said .
" The server seems to be sending the signal , but the conduit is not transferring the information to the signal lights .
" I can tell you where it is .
Right there on layer 4 .
Does that help ?
Then try layer 8 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA: "They know where the problem is, but they just don't know what it is," she said.
"The server seems to be sending the signal, but the conduit is not transferring the information to the signal lights.
" 
I can tell you where it is.
Right there on layer 4.
Does that help?
Then try layer 8.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997002</id>
	<title>How obscure?</title>
	<author>MobileTatsu-NJG</author>
	<datestamp>1257447240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wooo Fire Sale!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wooo Fire Sale !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wooo Fire Sale!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997934</id>
	<title>Re:remind of a Cult of The Dead Cow tfile</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257451380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the sensors in some very old traffic lights in the uk can be fooled by flashing your car headlights at them</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the sensors in some very old traffic lights in the uk can be fooled by flashing your car headlights at them</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the sensors in some very old traffic lights in the uk can be fooled by flashing your car headlights at them</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997364</id>
	<title>Re:I've seen this movie as well...</title>
	<author>EdZ</author>
	<datestamp>1257449040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Willis? I think you have the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Italian\_Job" title="wikipedia.org">wrong movie</a> [wikipedia.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Willis ?
I think you have the wrong movie [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Willis?
I think you have the wrong movie [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997580</id>
	<title>Re:normal for Fairfax County</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257450000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the lights in my hometown are like that too.  It takes 20 minutes to go 2 miles across town, since every damn intersection has a light, and they're all timed exactly wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the lights in my hometown are like that too .
It takes 20 minutes to go 2 miles across town , since every damn intersection has a light , and they 're all timed exactly wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the lights in my hometown are like that too.
It takes 20 minutes to go 2 miles across town, since every damn intersection has a light, and they're all timed exactly wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999392</id>
	<title>Re:70s computer</title>
	<author>Poingggg</author>
	<datestamp>1257414240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I once visited a factory for cattle feed where all silos were controlled by an ancient PDP computer. This was a few years ago. When I asked why it was not replaced by a more modern machine the answer was that all timings for the diverse outlets of the silos (and thus the mixture of the products) were so precise that it would be nearly impossible to reproduce on another platform, taking into account things like the speed of commands executed in programming languages, processing times of cpu etc.<br>I think it is possible for a complex system like a huge traffic control system might have similar issues, where a fraction of a second can make the difference between a free flow of traffic and congestion. (Although, while typing this it starts to sound less plausible...).<br>Anyway, my &euro;0,02 are in now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I once visited a factory for cattle feed where all silos were controlled by an ancient PDP computer .
This was a few years ago .
When I asked why it was not replaced by a more modern machine the answer was that all timings for the diverse outlets of the silos ( and thus the mixture of the products ) were so precise that it would be nearly impossible to reproduce on another platform , taking into account things like the speed of commands executed in programming languages , processing times of cpu etc.I think it is possible for a complex system like a huge traffic control system might have similar issues , where a fraction of a second can make the difference between a free flow of traffic and congestion .
( Although , while typing this it starts to sound less plausible... ) .Anyway , my    0,02 are in now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I once visited a factory for cattle feed where all silos were controlled by an ancient PDP computer.
This was a few years ago.
When I asked why it was not replaced by a more modern machine the answer was that all timings for the diverse outlets of the silos (and thus the mixture of the products) were so precise that it would be nearly impossible to reproduce on another platform, taking into account things like the speed of commands executed in programming languages, processing times of cpu etc.I think it is possible for a complex system like a huge traffic control system might have similar issues, where a fraction of a second can make the difference between a free flow of traffic and congestion.
(Although, while typing this it starts to sound less plausible...).Anyway, my €0,02 are in now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997288</id>
	<title>Re:MontCo $$</title>
	<author>Wonko the Sane</author>
	<datestamp>1257448560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> I find it amazing that even in a county like this, the public infrastructure is crumbling.</p></div></blockquote><p>Why do you find it amazing? Even in a rich county there's not much money left over for good infrastructure after all the mandatory spending on bribe and kickback entitlements.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it amazing that even in a county like this , the public infrastructure is crumbling.Why do you find it amazing ?
Even in a rich county there 's not much money left over for good infrastructure after all the mandatory spending on bribe and kickback entitlements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I find it amazing that even in a county like this, the public infrastructure is crumbling.Why do you find it amazing?
Even in a rich county there's not much money left over for good infrastructure after all the mandatory spending on bribe and kickback entitlements.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30000408</id>
	<title>Re:Blame it on Vista?</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1257418620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Easy - Vista's so bad they didn't upgrade the computer for 30 years in anticipation of Vista's release.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy - Vista 's so bad they did n't upgrade the computer for 30 years in anticipation of Vista 's release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easy - Vista's so bad they didn't upgrade the computer for 30 years in anticipation of Vista's release.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001018</id>
	<title>Why not emulate?</title>
	<author>Kaenneth</author>
	<datestamp>1257421560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen a lot of projects like NES, Apple ][, Amiga... emulators so that old games can be played on modern machines...</p><p>Are there not such projects for old Mainframes? Might be an excellent way to replace such systems... unless the costs of the required stability testing, software licensing issues and such would be too much... also custom hardware I/O may be difficult to adapt... (Anyone know where to get a USB 8 inch floppy disc drive or 110 baud modem?)</p><p>Probably better to replace such incredibly old applications anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen a lot of projects like NES , Apple ] [ , Amiga... emulators so that old games can be played on modern machines...Are there not such projects for old Mainframes ?
Might be an excellent way to replace such systems... unless the costs of the required stability testing , software licensing issues and such would be too much... also custom hardware I/O may be difficult to adapt... ( Anyone know where to get a USB 8 inch floppy disc drive or 110 baud modem ?
) Probably better to replace such incredibly old applications anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen a lot of projects like NES, Apple ][, Amiga... emulators so that old games can be played on modern machines...Are there not such projects for old Mainframes?
Might be an excellent way to replace such systems... unless the costs of the required stability testing, software licensing issues and such would be too much... also custom hardware I/O may be difficult to adapt... (Anyone know where to get a USB 8 inch floppy disc drive or 110 baud modem?
)Probably better to replace such incredibly old applications anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30003332</id>
	<title>Replacing a 1970s system</title>
	<author>AndroidCat</author>
	<datestamp>1257448560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The county's chief traffic engineer, Emil Wolanin, said replacing the 1970s-vintage system would not be easy.</p></div><p>And will the replacement system be Y2K safe?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The county 's chief traffic engineer , Emil Wolanin , said replacing the 1970s-vintage system would not be easy.And will the replacement system be Y2K safe ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The county's chief traffic engineer, Emil Wolanin, said replacing the 1970s-vintage system would not be easy.And will the replacement system be Y2K safe?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997202</id>
	<title>70s computer</title>
	<author>icebike</author>
	<datestamp>1257448080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn!  70s?  Talk about Return on Investment.</p><p>The WashPost, in another article touts Fragile Technology.<br>I reach for my 70's era calculator and estimate the operational life of 34 years for this system.  Some Fragility.  Who or what at the Post has been there that long.</p><p>Wonder if its some ancient PDP version or an small IBM mainframe.  The article is scarce on details.  Parts for either are getting hard to find except in the scrap market.</p><p>Still you have to wonder why it wasn't ported to some other platform if nothing else as an exercise in disaster preparedness.   Any commodity computer could do the job.</p><p>There is a lot of stuff like this still in service.  I saw a PDP 8 monitoring turbines in a hydro Power station, and asked about where they get that fixed.  The reply was it never broke down, but they had stockpiled 6 replacements, tested each yearly, just because they realized how old it was.  Nobody knows exactly what it does anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn !
70s ? Talk about Return on Investment.The WashPost , in another article touts Fragile Technology.I reach for my 70 's era calculator and estimate the operational life of 34 years for this system .
Some Fragility .
Who or what at the Post has been there that long.Wonder if its some ancient PDP version or an small IBM mainframe .
The article is scarce on details .
Parts for either are getting hard to find except in the scrap market.Still you have to wonder why it was n't ported to some other platform if nothing else as an exercise in disaster preparedness .
Any commodity computer could do the job.There is a lot of stuff like this still in service .
I saw a PDP 8 monitoring turbines in a hydro Power station , and asked about where they get that fixed .
The reply was it never broke down , but they had stockpiled 6 replacements , tested each yearly , just because they realized how old it was .
Nobody knows exactly what it does anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn!
70s?  Talk about Return on Investment.The WashPost, in another article touts Fragile Technology.I reach for my 70's era calculator and estimate the operational life of 34 years for this system.
Some Fragility.
Who or what at the Post has been there that long.Wonder if its some ancient PDP version or an small IBM mainframe.
The article is scarce on details.
Parts for either are getting hard to find except in the scrap market.Still you have to wonder why it wasn't ported to some other platform if nothing else as an exercise in disaster preparedness.
Any commodity computer could do the job.There is a lot of stuff like this still in service.
I saw a PDP 8 monitoring turbines in a hydro Power station, and asked about where they get that fixed.
The reply was it never broke down, but they had stockpiled 6 replacements, tested each yearly, just because they realized how old it was.
Nobody knows exactly what it does anymore.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997212</id>
	<title>Re:I live there</title>
	<author>JustinOpinion</author>
	<datestamp>1257448140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I also live in the affected area. I personally wasn't affected much since I bike to work. Actually I did notice the long lines of cars at all the lights. As a cyclist it was actually nice since the gridlock of cars slowly crawling onto the highway on-ramp is easier to navigate than the usual situation where cars don't stop for pedestrians or cyclists at the cross-walk.<br> <br>

In any case, my coworkers sure noticed. Some of them said that their commute yesterday went from 30 minutes to 3 hours. Similarly getting into work this morning took people longer than usual.<br> <br>

So it's certainly having an impact. But, life goes on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also live in the affected area .
I personally was n't affected much since I bike to work .
Actually I did notice the long lines of cars at all the lights .
As a cyclist it was actually nice since the gridlock of cars slowly crawling onto the highway on-ramp is easier to navigate than the usual situation where cars do n't stop for pedestrians or cyclists at the cross-walk .
In any case , my coworkers sure noticed .
Some of them said that their commute yesterday went from 30 minutes to 3 hours .
Similarly getting into work this morning took people longer than usual .
So it 's certainly having an impact .
But , life goes on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also live in the affected area.
I personally wasn't affected much since I bike to work.
Actually I did notice the long lines of cars at all the lights.
As a cyclist it was actually nice since the gridlock of cars slowly crawling onto the highway on-ramp is easier to navigate than the usual situation where cars don't stop for pedestrians or cyclists at the cross-walk.
In any case, my coworkers sure noticed.
Some of them said that their commute yesterday went from 30 minutes to 3 hours.
Similarly getting into work this morning took people longer than usual.
So it's certainly having an impact.
But, life goes on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997044</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999254</id>
	<title>Re:Blame it on Vista?</title>
	<author>Mostly a lurker</author>
	<datestamp>1257413640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>there's got to be some way we can put the fault on Micro$oft?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Most people on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. are too young to properly comprehend the situation.  Blaming Microsoft for everything that goes wrong in IT only became standard operating procedure in the 1990s.  Since the system is supposedly based on a 1980s era Data General mini, we need to resurrect our blame processes from that era.  This failure was clearly engineered by IBM.  Not only that, but they are using their huge muscle to block third party maintenance of the hardware.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>there 's got to be some way we can put the fault on Micro $ oft ?
Most people on / .
are too young to properly comprehend the situation .
Blaming Microsoft for everything that goes wrong in IT only became standard operating procedure in the 1990s .
Since the system is supposedly based on a 1980s era Data General mini , we need to resurrect our blame processes from that era .
This failure was clearly engineered by IBM .
Not only that , but they are using their huge muscle to block third party maintenance of the hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there's got to be some way we can put the fault on Micro$oft?
Most people on /.
are too young to properly comprehend the situation.
Blaming Microsoft for everything that goes wrong in IT only became standard operating procedure in the 1990s.
Since the system is supposedly based on a 1980s era Data General mini, we need to resurrect our blame processes from that era.
This failure was clearly engineered by IBM.
Not only that, but they are using their huge muscle to block third party maintenance of the hardware.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997334</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998198</id>
	<title>in other words</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1257452460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>modern civilization</p><p>relies on</p><p>modem serialization</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>modern civilizationrelies onmodem serialization</tokentext>
<sentencetext>modern civilizationrelies onmodem serialization</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997714</id>
	<title>I suspect Seth Green</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257450540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From "Enemy of the State"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From " Enemy of the State " : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From "Enemy of the State" :P</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998782</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257411720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ugh! Roundabouts again? These people who keep proposing roundabouts must never have driven in DC or Fairfax's famous Circle. They are good for very, very light traffic only.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ugh !
Roundabouts again ?
These people who keep proposing roundabouts must never have driven in DC or Fairfax 's famous Circle .
They are good for very , very light traffic only .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ugh!
Roundabouts again?
These people who keep proposing roundabouts must never have driven in DC or Fairfax's famous Circle.
They are good for very, very light traffic only.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997960</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30005226</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>some-old-geek</author>
	<datestamp>1257519960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>None of that makes up for the fact that roundabouts are <i>stupid</i>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>None of that makes up for the fact that roundabouts are stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None of that makes up for the fact that roundabouts are stupid.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997960</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997236</id>
	<title>ObQuote</title>
	<author>spongman</author>
	<datestamp>1257448320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You 're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997792</id>
	<title>Re:70s computer</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1257450780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did love how the article mentioned that they are working on installing more reliable equipment.  WTF?  30 something years is not reliable enough?  Are they wanting the next one to work for 50?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did love how the article mentioned that they are working on installing more reliable equipment .
WTF ? 30 something years is not reliable enough ?
Are they wanting the next one to work for 50 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did love how the article mentioned that they are working on installing more reliable equipment.
WTF?  30 something years is not reliable enough?
Are they wanting the next one to work for 50?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997202</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999778</id>
	<title>Re:Blame it on Vista?</title>
	<author>WMD\_88</author>
	<datestamp>1257415800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Someone probably hit the reset button on the old mini, thinking it would fix things like Microsoft taught them.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone probably hit the reset button on the old mini , thinking it would fix things like Microsoft taught them .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone probably hit the reset button on the old mini, thinking it would fix things like Microsoft taught them.
;)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997334</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999500</id>
	<title>Ah, maybe not the "computer"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257414660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you read TFA, down a ways, it seems the problem is not in the computer at all, it's in the conduit that distributes the signals.  Maybe just a dope with a backhoe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you read TFA , down a ways , it seems the problem is not in the computer at all , it 's in the conduit that distributes the signals .
Maybe just a dope with a backhoe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you read TFA, down a ways, it seems the problem is not in the computer at all, it's in the conduit that distributes the signals.
Maybe just a dope with a backhoe.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999354</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Rick17JJ</author>
	<datestamp>1257414120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have been very happy with the traffic circle which replaced the traffic light near where I live. It is on a two-lane highway in a smaller city here in Arizona.<br><br>I was very sceptical when the state said they were planning to replace the stop light with a traffic circle.  But, the traffic circle has been able to handle the traffic much more smoothly than the stoplight did.  I rarely need to wait more than a few seconds to get through the traffic circle, even during rush hour. I also usually do not need to make a complete stop, which saves gas and reduces the wear on my clutch.<br><br>As you mentioned, no electricity, computers or electronics are needed. It keeps working just fine, whenever the power occasionally goes off after a summer thunderstorm, for a few minutes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been very happy with the traffic circle which replaced the traffic light near where I live .
It is on a two-lane highway in a smaller city here in Arizona.I was very sceptical when the state said they were planning to replace the stop light with a traffic circle .
But , the traffic circle has been able to handle the traffic much more smoothly than the stoplight did .
I rarely need to wait more than a few seconds to get through the traffic circle , even during rush hour .
I also usually do not need to make a complete stop , which saves gas and reduces the wear on my clutch.As you mentioned , no electricity , computers or electronics are needed .
It keeps working just fine , whenever the power occasionally goes off after a summer thunderstorm , for a few minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been very happy with the traffic circle which replaced the traffic light near where I live.
It is on a two-lane highway in a smaller city here in Arizona.I was very sceptical when the state said they were planning to replace the stop light with a traffic circle.
But, the traffic circle has been able to handle the traffic much more smoothly than the stoplight did.
I rarely need to wait more than a few seconds to get through the traffic circle, even during rush hour.
I also usually do not need to make a complete stop, which saves gas and reduces the wear on my clutch.As you mentioned, no electricity, computers or electronics are needed.
It keeps working just fine, whenever the power occasionally goes off after a summer thunderstorm, for a few minutes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997960</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998962</id>
	<title>Re:I've seen this movie as well...</title>
	<author>Darth\_brooks</author>
	<datestamp>1257412560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bringing in Bruce Willis is *never* a bad idea. Need an asteroid destroyed in an affront to basic science? Call Willis. Need to remove an East German terrorist that can't speak proper German? Willis. Need someone to have sex with a hot, orange haired diety? Willis. Need Chuck Norris' ass kicked? Willis. Cancer cure? Willis. Making a Jaws Sequel? Have Bruce Willis play the shark.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bringing in Bruce Willis is * never * a bad idea .
Need an asteroid destroyed in an affront to basic science ?
Call Willis .
Need to remove an East German terrorist that ca n't speak proper German ?
Willis. Need someone to have sex with a hot , orange haired diety ?
Willis. Need Chuck Norris ' ass kicked ?
Willis. Cancer cure ?
Willis. Making a Jaws Sequel ?
Have Bruce Willis play the shark .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bringing in Bruce Willis is *never* a bad idea.
Need an asteroid destroyed in an affront to basic science?
Call Willis.
Need to remove an East German terrorist that can't speak proper German?
Willis. Need someone to have sex with a hot, orange haired diety?
Willis. Need Chuck Norris' ass kicked?
Willis. Cancer cure?
Willis. Making a Jaws Sequel?
Have Bruce Willis play the shark.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997364</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001970</id>
	<title>Re:From the 1980s</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1257428160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That would explain the lack of parts. DG has been gone for 10 years.</p><p>Let me guess, the migration plan started yesterday right after it failed!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That would explain the lack of parts .
DG has been gone for 10 years.Let me guess , the migration plan started yesterday right after it failed !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would explain the lack of parts.
DG has been gone for 10 years.Let me guess, the migration plan started yesterday right after it failed!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997122</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997178</id>
	<title>I blame Dan Snyder</title>
	<author>Parlett316</author>
	<datestamp>1257448020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fire him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fire him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fire him.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001902</id>
	<title>Re:When the system fails, shut the lights off.</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1257427560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given all the people who apparently think yellow means floor it and red means just a few more seconds to go, the odds are not good that people will remember that light out means 4 way stop. It's hard to get through an intersection when it's blocked by dented cars and people yelling at each other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given all the people who apparently think yellow means floor it and red means just a few more seconds to go , the odds are not good that people will remember that light out means 4 way stop .
It 's hard to get through an intersection when it 's blocked by dented cars and people yelling at each other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given all the people who apparently think yellow means floor it and red means just a few more seconds to go, the odds are not good that people will remember that light out means 4 way stop.
It's hard to get through an intersection when it's blocked by dented cars and people yelling at each other.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997102</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30007934</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257537300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>As someone who uses roundabouts on a regular basis in the Boston area (one of the few places other than NJ in the US where they are pretty common), I want to second most of the counterarguments made here.  Roundabouts are fine for light to moderate traffic.  Generally speaking, though, there are quite a few around here that completely break down around rush hour with long traffic lines that are even longer than they would be with lights.  Just like traffic on a highway, once everyone comes to a stop, any advantages for smooth flow also get messed up due to the continuous acceleration, braking, and confusion that results as everyone either wants to beat everyone else in a race or hesitates because they aren't sure who has the right of way.
<br> <br>
In heavy traffic areas, once a roundabout clogs up, the lines of cars streaming in have to do continuous stop-and-go as they approach the circle, creating a lot more wear on cars and expending more energy than traffic lights in a similar situation.  The effect might be mitigated by introducing traffic lights that only function during rush hour, but that would only work well if most traffic follows certain paths.
<br> <br>
Also, I should note that at least in my city, roundabouts are explicitly mentioned in the traffic code as something that is used to inhibit fast traffic flow (along with head-to-head one-way streets in residential areas, dead ends, etc.), not encourage it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who uses roundabouts on a regular basis in the Boston area ( one of the few places other than NJ in the US where they are pretty common ) , I want to second most of the counterarguments made here .
Roundabouts are fine for light to moderate traffic .
Generally speaking , though , there are quite a few around here that completely break down around rush hour with long traffic lines that are even longer than they would be with lights .
Just like traffic on a highway , once everyone comes to a stop , any advantages for smooth flow also get messed up due to the continuous acceleration , braking , and confusion that results as everyone either wants to beat everyone else in a race or hesitates because they are n't sure who has the right of way .
In heavy traffic areas , once a roundabout clogs up , the lines of cars streaming in have to do continuous stop-and-go as they approach the circle , creating a lot more wear on cars and expending more energy than traffic lights in a similar situation .
The effect might be mitigated by introducing traffic lights that only function during rush hour , but that would only work well if most traffic follows certain paths .
Also , I should note that at least in my city , roundabouts are explicitly mentioned in the traffic code as something that is used to inhibit fast traffic flow ( along with head-to-head one-way streets in residential areas , dead ends , etc .
) , not encourage it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who uses roundabouts on a regular basis in the Boston area (one of the few places other than NJ in the US where they are pretty common), I want to second most of the counterarguments made here.
Roundabouts are fine for light to moderate traffic.
Generally speaking, though, there are quite a few around here that completely break down around rush hour with long traffic lines that are even longer than they would be with lights.
Just like traffic on a highway, once everyone comes to a stop, any advantages for smooth flow also get messed up due to the continuous acceleration, braking, and confusion that results as everyone either wants to beat everyone else in a race or hesitates because they aren't sure who has the right of way.
In heavy traffic areas, once a roundabout clogs up, the lines of cars streaming in have to do continuous stop-and-go as they approach the circle, creating a lot more wear on cars and expending more energy than traffic lights in a similar situation.
The effect might be mitigated by introducing traffic lights that only function during rush hour, but that would only work well if most traffic follows certain paths.
Also, I should note that at least in my city, roundabouts are explicitly mentioned in the traffic code as something that is used to inhibit fast traffic flow (along with head-to-head one-way streets in residential areas, dead ends, etc.
), not encourage it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997960</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998386</id>
	<title>Interesting Book on the Subject</title>
	<author>getagrip</author>
	<datestamp>1257453240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Intelligent Transport Systems: Cases and Poliies" by Roger Stough on Google Books:

<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=fs-SYjIS88oC&amp;lpg=PA110&amp;ots=HcpCMSKdgw&amp;pg=PA110#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false" title="google.com">http://books.google.com/books?id=fs-SYjIS88oC&amp;lpg=PA110&amp;ots=HcpCMSKdgw&amp;pg=PA110#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false</a> [google.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Intelligent Transport Systems : Cases and Poliies " by Roger Stough on Google Books : http : //books.google.com/books ? id = fs-SYjIS88oC&amp;lpg = PA110&amp;ots = HcpCMSKdgw&amp;pg = PA110 # v = onepage&amp;q = &amp;f = false [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Intelligent Transport Systems: Cases and Poliies" by Roger Stough on Google Books:

http://books.google.com/books?id=fs-SYjIS88oC&amp;lpg=PA110&amp;ots=HcpCMSKdgw&amp;pg=PA110#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false [google.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998054</id>
	<title>Re:remind of a Cult of The Dead Cow tfile</title>
	<author>Normal Dan</author>
	<datestamp>1257451860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>i bet a coke no one knows the root password...</p></div><p>You're on.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>i bet a coke no one knows the root password...You 're on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i bet a coke no one knows the root password...You're on.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997018</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997256</id>
	<title>Re:I've seen this movie as well...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257448380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, the top man in the country's Professor Peach - I've seen him on television.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the top man in the country 's Professor Peach - I 've seen him on television .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the top man in the country's Professor Peach - I've seen him on television.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998562</id>
	<title>Re:70s computer</title>
	<author>tool462</author>
	<datestamp>1257453960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By "70's era calculator", I hope you're referring to your own brain.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By " 70 's era calculator " , I hope you 're referring to your own brain .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By "70's era calculator", I hope you're referring to your own brain.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999202</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>pspahn</author>
	<datestamp>1257413460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I understand that many areas of the nation never see significant snowfall, but in reality, for those that do, roundabouts are disastrous to driving.
<br> <br>
I've never driven a snowplow, but I think it would be kind of difficult to plow snow in a roundabout.
<br> <br>
You probably also have to consider the slickness of the road. Curves cause accidents, and that's all a roundabout is.
<br> <br>
All the electricity savings you picture would need to go right out of the window once the roundabout was designed with some type of thermal coil underneath the pavement in order to keep the ground warm.
<br> <br>
I live in Denver, so I would imagine our snowfall amounts are a bit different than DC, but I think the argument for roundabouts is one that should be left out of colder climates.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand that many areas of the nation never see significant snowfall , but in reality , for those that do , roundabouts are disastrous to driving .
I 've never driven a snowplow , but I think it would be kind of difficult to plow snow in a roundabout .
You probably also have to consider the slickness of the road .
Curves cause accidents , and that 's all a roundabout is .
All the electricity savings you picture would need to go right out of the window once the roundabout was designed with some type of thermal coil underneath the pavement in order to keep the ground warm .
I live in Denver , so I would imagine our snowfall amounts are a bit different than DC , but I think the argument for roundabouts is one that should be left out of colder climates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand that many areas of the nation never see significant snowfall, but in reality, for those that do, roundabouts are disastrous to driving.
I've never driven a snowplow, but I think it would be kind of difficult to plow snow in a roundabout.
You probably also have to consider the slickness of the road.
Curves cause accidents, and that's all a roundabout is.
All the electricity savings you picture would need to go right out of the window once the roundabout was designed with some type of thermal coil underneath the pavement in order to keep the ground warm.
I live in Denver, so I would imagine our snowfall amounts are a bit different than DC, but I think the argument for roundabouts is one that should be left out of colder climates.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998300</id>
	<title>Re:1970's computer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257452820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Old systems stick around because they work. City-wide traffic systems are very complicated affairs. Getting rid of a 40 year old system also means trashing 40 years of hard lessons.</p></div><p>Sounds like a job for an emulator..</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Old systems stick around because they work .
City-wide traffic systems are very complicated affairs .
Getting rid of a 40 year old system also means trashing 40 years of hard lessons.Sounds like a job for an emulator. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Old systems stick around because they work.
City-wide traffic systems are very complicated affairs.
Getting rid of a 40 year old system also means trashing 40 years of hard lessons.Sounds like a job for an emulator..
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997664</id>
	<title>NIH</title>
	<author>rakaur</author>
	<datestamp>1257450300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work at the NIH in Bethesda, MD and live in Baltimore County, north of Baltimore City. It normally takes me an hour and a half to get home, but lately it's been three hours or more. That's okay though; I carpool and get OT for working in the car via MiFi.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work at the NIH in Bethesda , MD and live in Baltimore County , north of Baltimore City .
It normally takes me an hour and a half to get home , but lately it 's been three hours or more .
That 's okay though ; I carpool and get OT for working in the car via MiFi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work at the NIH in Bethesda, MD and live in Baltimore County, north of Baltimore City.
It normally takes me an hour and a half to get home, but lately it's been three hours or more.
That's okay though; I carpool and get OT for working in the car via MiFi.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998210</id>
	<title>Re:Where's a traffic cop when you need one?</title>
	<author>nsteinme</author>
	<datestamp>1257452520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A meter maid has no more information about traffic flow at adjacent intersections than an autonomous single light would.</p></div><p>Then how about a Beowulf cluster of meter maids? (with walkie talkies of course)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A meter maid has no more information about traffic flow at adjacent intersections than an autonomous single light would.Then how about a Beowulf cluster of meter maids ?
( with walkie talkies of course )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A meter maid has no more information about traffic flow at adjacent intersections than an autonomous single light would.Then how about a Beowulf cluster of meter maids?
(with walkie talkies of course)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997018</id>
	<title>remind of a Cult of The Dead Cow tfile</title>
	<author>trybywrench</author>
	<datestamp>1257447300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>back in the day i read a "tfile" by Sunspot IIRC that explained how to break into those boxes attached the stop lights at intersections and make every light stay green all the time. Not sure if it was legit or not but it sounded a little far fetched.<br> <br>
As for the single computer, i bet a coke no one knows the root password, the system administrator is long gone and the programmers are very long gone. I bet the staff tried to power cycle it thinking it was just like a PC and now they've made the problem 3x worse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>back in the day i read a " tfile " by Sunspot IIRC that explained how to break into those boxes attached the stop lights at intersections and make every light stay green all the time .
Not sure if it was legit or not but it sounded a little far fetched .
As for the single computer , i bet a coke no one knows the root password , the system administrator is long gone and the programmers are very long gone .
I bet the staff tried to power cycle it thinking it was just like a PC and now they 've made the problem 3x worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>back in the day i read a "tfile" by Sunspot IIRC that explained how to break into those boxes attached the stop lights at intersections and make every light stay green all the time.
Not sure if it was legit or not but it sounded a little far fetched.
As for the single computer, i bet a coke no one knows the root password, the system administrator is long gone and the programmers are very long gone.
I bet the staff tried to power cycle it thinking it was just like a PC and now they've made the problem 3x worse.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998912</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>ThrowAwaySociety</author>
	<datestamp>1257412380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only intelligence they require isn't of the artificial sort at all, only a smidgen of it from the motorists using them.</p></div><p>Which is why they are not used. What was your point again?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only intelligence they require is n't of the artificial sort at all , only a smidgen of it from the motorists using them.Which is why they are not used .
What was your point again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only intelligence they require isn't of the artificial sort at all, only a smidgen of it from the motorists using them.Which is why they are not used.
What was your point again?
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999212</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257413460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...  What's more, since they allow motorists to preserve some momentum in all but the most congested traffic,</p></div><p>Welcome to rush hour in DC.... THE MOST CONGESTED TRAFFIC....  I really don't think roundabouts are the solution here....  Flying cars on the other hand.....</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... What 's more , since they allow motorists to preserve some momentum in all but the most congested traffic,Welcome to rush hour in DC.... THE MOST CONGESTED TRAFFIC.... I really do n't think roundabouts are the solution here.... Flying cars on the other hand.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...  What's more, since they allow motorists to preserve some momentum in all but the most congested traffic,Welcome to rush hour in DC.... THE MOST CONGESTED TRAFFIC....  I really don't think roundabouts are the solution here....  Flying cars on the other hand.....
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29996982</id>
	<title>Where's a traffic cop when you need one?</title>
	<author>pickled doughboy</author>
	<datestamp>1257447120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe all the meter maids could direct traffic for a while?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe all the meter maids could direct traffic for a while ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe all the meter maids could direct traffic for a while?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997102</id>
	<title>When the system fails, shut the lights off.</title>
	<author>characterZer0</author>
	<datestamp>1257447720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No lights is better than badly times lights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No lights is better than badly times lights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No lights is better than badly times lights.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30000306</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257418140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>except that the knowledge and ability to obtain a drivers license is so low that many would not be able to navigate...<br>I used to live in new jersey where we had several large roundabouts that where always trouble for soccer moms, people over the age of 60 and teeny bobbers... they have removed or have plans to remove most of them... Its probably far cheaper to maintain the equipment then to deal with people who are not capable of navigating them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>except that the knowledge and ability to obtain a drivers license is so low that many would not be able to navigate...I used to live in new jersey where we had several large roundabouts that where always trouble for soccer moms , people over the age of 60 and teeny bobbers... they have removed or have plans to remove most of them... Its probably far cheaper to maintain the equipment then to deal with people who are not capable of navigating them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>except that the knowledge and ability to obtain a drivers license is so low that many would not be able to navigate...I used to live in new jersey where we had several large roundabouts that where always trouble for soccer moms, people over the age of 60 and teeny bobbers... they have removed or have plans to remove most of them... Its probably far cheaper to maintain the equipment then to deal with people who are not capable of navigating them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998608</id>
	<title>Not the computers fault</title>
	<author>xxuserxx</author>
	<datestamp>1257454140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did the computer "fail" or did the engineers blow off "High Availability" This is 2009 most legacy systems can be emulated.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did the computer " fail " or did the engineers blow off " High Availability " This is 2009 most legacy systems can be emulated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did the computer "fail" or did the engineers blow off "High Availability" This is 2009 most legacy systems can be emulated.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30002966</id>
	<title>Re:70s computer</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1257441060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, then, but it's 30 years later now and nobody's making spare parts anymore, so it *WAS* reliable and now it's not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , then , but it 's 30 years later now and nobody 's making spare parts anymore , so it * WAS * reliable and now it 's not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, then, but it's 30 years later now and nobody's making spare parts anymore, so it *WAS* reliable and now it's not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30006344</id>
	<title>Re:remind of a Cult of The Dead Cow tfile</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1257527580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I know, that Spain for a long time, had the same password on every local Internet distributor node box in the country. One that was breakable with a normal overnight dictionary attack. All you needed to do, was to buy a triangular standard key from the hardware store, open it, connect your laptop to the serial port inside, put the laptop inside, and let it run overnight. The next morning you could tweak the bandwidth distribution in your favor. ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I know , that Spain for a long time , had the same password on every local Internet distributor node box in the country .
One that was breakable with a normal overnight dictionary attack .
All you needed to do , was to buy a triangular standard key from the hardware store , open it , connect your laptop to the serial port inside , put the laptop inside , and let it run overnight .
The next morning you could tweak the bandwidth distribution in your favor .
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I know, that Spain for a long time, had the same password on every local Internet distributor node box in the country.
One that was breakable with a normal overnight dictionary attack.
All you needed to do, was to buy a triangular standard key from the hardware store, open it, connect your laptop to the serial port inside, put the laptop inside, and let it run overnight.
The next morning you could tweak the bandwidth distribution in your favor.
^^</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29999140</id>
	<title>Re:And if they had been using roundabouts...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257413220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Living near a few traffic circles, I can testify that many motorists, at least here in southern NJ, don't have anywhere near the required smidgen of intelligence to yield when entering a traffic circle.  Two congested circles in the area, one near the AC airport and one outside of Ocean City, are both being signalized and redone at the cost of several millions of dollars each because the local drivers are too idiotic and distracted to use them properly.  Although circles are more efficient than signals, they just aren't idiot-proof enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Living near a few traffic circles , I can testify that many motorists , at least here in southern NJ , do n't have anywhere near the required smidgen of intelligence to yield when entering a traffic circle .
Two congested circles in the area , one near the AC airport and one outside of Ocean City , are both being signalized and redone at the cost of several millions of dollars each because the local drivers are too idiotic and distracted to use them properly .
Although circles are more efficient than signals , they just are n't idiot-proof enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Living near a few traffic circles, I can testify that many motorists, at least here in southern NJ, don't have anywhere near the required smidgen of intelligence to yield when entering a traffic circle.
Two congested circles in the area, one near the AC airport and one outside of Ocean City, are both being signalized and redone at the cost of several millions of dollars each because the local drivers are too idiotic and distracted to use them properly.
Although circles are more efficient than signals, they just aren't idiot-proof enough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997350</id>
	<title>Re:From the 1980s</title>
	<author>idontgno</author>
	<datestamp>1257448920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmmm... probably an Eclipse MV machine. I worked with a ten-year-old MV/10000 back in the day (early 90s). That makes it the right timeline.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm... probably an Eclipse MV machine .
I worked with a ten-year-old MV/10000 back in the day ( early 90s ) .
That makes it the right timeline .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm... probably an Eclipse MV machine.
I worked with a ten-year-old MV/10000 back in the day (early 90s).
That makes it the right timeline.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997706</id>
	<title>Re:70s computer</title>
	<author>tibman</author>
	<datestamp>1257450540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems like at that point they could replace the computer with a microcontroller.  Or even run the old software on a new computer emulating the old hardware?</p><p>I'm not critisizing, just proposing a possible improvement.</p><p>I remember that same scenerio happening in the Army a lot.  Because so many soldiers come and go, complex systems quickly turn into black boxes and inertia keeps everything together.  But as soon as something breaks, it's back to pen and paper or doing it all in excel.  Hiring contractors to come repair it only means that the problem will occur again someday (not to mention it costs money!).</p><p>The best solution i've seen to these kinds of problems is barney level continuity books.  Just lots and lots of documentation.  Then that documentation must be well labeled, organized, and affixed to the complex system in a way that it can't ever get lost.  I guess in a way it makes the solution open source?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems like at that point they could replace the computer with a microcontroller .
Or even run the old software on a new computer emulating the old hardware ? I 'm not critisizing , just proposing a possible improvement.I remember that same scenerio happening in the Army a lot .
Because so many soldiers come and go , complex systems quickly turn into black boxes and inertia keeps everything together .
But as soon as something breaks , it 's back to pen and paper or doing it all in excel .
Hiring contractors to come repair it only means that the problem will occur again someday ( not to mention it costs money !
) .The best solution i 've seen to these kinds of problems is barney level continuity books .
Just lots and lots of documentation .
Then that documentation must be well labeled , organized , and affixed to the complex system in a way that it ca n't ever get lost .
I guess in a way it makes the solution open source ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems like at that point they could replace the computer with a microcontroller.
Or even run the old software on a new computer emulating the old hardware?I'm not critisizing, just proposing a possible improvement.I remember that same scenerio happening in the Army a lot.
Because so many soldiers come and go, complex systems quickly turn into black boxes and inertia keeps everything together.
But as soon as something breaks, it's back to pen and paper or doing it all in excel.
Hiring contractors to come repair it only means that the problem will occur again someday (not to mention it costs money!
).The best solution i've seen to these kinds of problems is barney level continuity books.
Just lots and lots of documentation.
Then that documentation must be well labeled, organized, and affixed to the complex system in a way that it can't ever get lost.
I guess in a way it makes the solution open source?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997202</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30004256</id>
	<title>Re:remind of a Cult of The Dead Cow tfile</title>
	<author>gtall</author>
	<datestamp>1257508140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live near Washington, the county commissioner came on the tube and said he'd been budgeting for a replacement system since 2002 and that it would cost something on the order of $40 million. I presume there is a penny jar in the commissioner's office and he cadges pennies from visitors. He also said the new system would be ready around 2012 or 2014 (I cannot recall which). My guess is that the system just clunked away on its own and no one thought to upgrade parts of it as newer technology became available. Now they have a massive problem on their hands.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live near Washington , the county commissioner came on the tube and said he 'd been budgeting for a replacement system since 2002 and that it would cost something on the order of $ 40 million .
I presume there is a penny jar in the commissioner 's office and he cadges pennies from visitors .
He also said the new system would be ready around 2012 or 2014 ( I can not recall which ) .
My guess is that the system just clunked away on its own and no one thought to upgrade parts of it as newer technology became available .
Now they have a massive problem on their hands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live near Washington, the county commissioner came on the tube and said he'd been budgeting for a replacement system since 2002 and that it would cost something on the order of $40 million.
I presume there is a penny jar in the commissioner's office and he cadges pennies from visitors.
He also said the new system would be ready around 2012 or 2014 (I cannot recall which).
My guess is that the system just clunked away on its own and no one thought to upgrade parts of it as newer technology became available.
Now they have a massive problem on their hands.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997018</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997318</id>
	<title>Re:This is reassuring...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257448680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; IANATE (I Am Not A Traffic Engineer), but I've had the opportunity to talk to some over the years.  From what I recall of those conversations, most, if not all, traffic signals are failsafe.  They cannot have colliding greens, and they won't generally just turn off.  Even in the event of a power failure, they're suppose to stay up on batteries for a while.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; I have seen their failsafe behavior fail though.  I was once driving on a dark foggy night.  Visibility was very very poor.  I was staying in my lane, but I couldn't see much else.  I had a long drive in a rural area, and I was coming into an urban area.  I expected to see street lights and traffic lights, but there were none.  As I was driving, another car shot across the road just ahead of me, missing me by just a few feet.  He didn't see the traffic light that wasn't working either.  I called the police, so they could station an officer there.  Their response was "Are you crazy?  No one can see at that intersection.  He'll get hit."  Hmmm, good logic.  At least no one got killed there that night.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>    IANATE ( I Am Not A Traffic Engineer ) , but I 've had the opportunity to talk to some over the years .
From what I recall of those conversations , most , if not all , traffic signals are failsafe .
They can not have colliding greens , and they wo n't generally just turn off .
Even in the event of a power failure , they 're suppose to stay up on batteries for a while .
    I have seen their failsafe behavior fail though .
I was once driving on a dark foggy night .
Visibility was very very poor .
I was staying in my lane , but I could n't see much else .
I had a long drive in a rural area , and I was coming into an urban area .
I expected to see street lights and traffic lights , but there were none .
As I was driving , another car shot across the road just ahead of me , missing me by just a few feet .
He did n't see the traffic light that was n't working either .
I called the police , so they could station an officer there .
Their response was " Are you crazy ?
No one can see at that intersection .
He 'll get hit .
" Hmmm , good logic .
At least no one got killed there that night .</tokentext>
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    IANATE (I Am Not A Traffic Engineer), but I've had the opportunity to talk to some over the years.
From what I recall of those conversations, most, if not all, traffic signals are failsafe.
They cannot have colliding greens, and they won't generally just turn off.
Even in the event of a power failure, they're suppose to stay up on batteries for a while.
    I have seen their failsafe behavior fail though.
I was once driving on a dark foggy night.
Visibility was very very poor.
I was staying in my lane, but I couldn't see much else.
I had a long drive in a rural area, and I was coming into an urban area.
I expected to see street lights and traffic lights, but there were none.
As I was driving, another car shot across the road just ahead of me, missing me by just a few feet.
He didn't see the traffic light that wasn't working either.
I called the police, so they could station an officer there.
Their response was "Are you crazy?
No one can see at that intersection.
He'll get hit.
"  Hmmm, good logic.
At least no one got killed there that night.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.30001728</id>
	<title>Was it running the Traf-O-Data OS?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257426180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Paging Bill Gates!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Paging Bill Gates !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paging Bill Gates!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29997136</id>
	<title>Not only that...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257447780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>on the same day, the PDU for the D.C. Metro (subway and bus) communication system failed, leaving no communication for the bus system (including fair collection machines), leading to more travel trouble.<br> Got all those conspiracy theorist wondering if they are related.</htmltext>
<tokenext>on the same day , the PDU for the D.C. Metro ( subway and bus ) communication system failed , leaving no communication for the bus system ( including fair collection machines ) , leading to more travel trouble .
Got all those conspiracy theorist wondering if they are related .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>on the same day, the PDU for the D.C. Metro (subway and bus) communication system failed, leaving no communication for the bus system (including fair collection machines), leading to more travel trouble.
Got all those conspiracy theorist wondering if they are related.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_1632204.29998344</id>
	<title>Re:Where's a traffic cop when you need one?</title>
	<author>citizenr</author>
	<datestamp>1257453000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wouldn't matter.</p></div><p>Yes it would, so would turning off the lights and letting people make choices. You dont see many gridlocks in Taiwan where its customary to ignore the lights.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Would n't matter.Yes it would , so would turning off the lights and letting people make choices .
You dont see many gridlocks in Taiwan where its customary to ignore the lights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't matter.Yes it would, so would turning off the lights and letting people make choices.
You dont see many gridlocks in Taiwan where its customary to ignore the lights.
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