<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_05_0113247</id>
	<title>Mandriva Linux 2010 Is Finally Out</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1257444000000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>ennael writes <i>"We finally did it. <a href="http://blog.mandriva.com/2009/11/04/mandriva-linux-2010-is-out">Mandriva Linux 2010 is out</a> and comes with many improvements and innovations. We still go on supporting in the same level of integration GNOME 2.28 and KDE 4.3.2. Support for netbooks is improved as users can now easily test Moblin 2.0 environment. 'Smart desktop' coming from European research is now fully integrated and is the first real working semantic desktop. Mandriva Control Center also brings improvements in tools: a new netprofile management tool, a GUI for Tomoyo security framework, and parental control. A big thanks to our community, who worked hard and made this release possible."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>ennael writes " We finally did it .
Mandriva Linux 2010 is out and comes with many improvements and innovations .
We still go on supporting in the same level of integration GNOME 2.28 and KDE 4.3.2 .
Support for netbooks is improved as users can now easily test Moblin 2.0 environment .
'Smart desktop ' coming from European research is now fully integrated and is the first real working semantic desktop .
Mandriva Control Center also brings improvements in tools : a new netprofile management tool , a GUI for Tomoyo security framework , and parental control .
A big thanks to our community , who worked hard and made this release possible .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ennael writes "We finally did it.
Mandriva Linux 2010 is out and comes with many improvements and innovations.
We still go on supporting in the same level of integration GNOME 2.28 and KDE 4.3.2.
Support for netbooks is improved as users can now easily test Moblin 2.0 environment.
'Smart desktop' coming from European research is now fully integrated and is the first real working semantic desktop.
Mandriva Control Center also brings improvements in tools: a new netprofile management tool, a GUI for Tomoyo security framework, and parental control.
A big thanks to our community, who worked hard and made this release possible.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992166</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257413220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>unless it's got great support, i can't imagine paying for a linux distro either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>unless it 's got great support , i ca n't imagine paying for a linux distro either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>unless it's got great support, i can't imagine paying for a linux distro either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991598</id>
	<title>Re:Mandrake?</title>
	<author>WaroDaBeast</author>
	<datestamp>1257017400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992600</id>
	<title>Re:Whichever moron tagged this as "irrelevant"...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257418380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't describe Debian as unmitigated garbage - if you use it for a server you have no need of a flashy GUI or top-notch video and wireless support and it excels there.  That is, after all, the core focus of Debian.</p><p>Ubuntu, OTOH - I can take it or leave it.  I've spent the last two days wrestling with Ubuntu myself for a specific project and I'm just about ready to jack it in and run Mandriva.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't describe Debian as unmitigated garbage - if you use it for a server you have no need of a flashy GUI or top-notch video and wireless support and it excels there .
That is , after all , the core focus of Debian.Ubuntu , OTOH - I can take it or leave it .
I 've spent the last two days wrestling with Ubuntu myself for a specific project and I 'm just about ready to jack it in and run Mandriva .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't describe Debian as unmitigated garbage - if you use it for a server you have no need of a flashy GUI or top-notch video and wireless support and it excels there.
That is, after all, the core focus of Debian.Ubuntu, OTOH - I can take it or leave it.
I've spent the last two days wrestling with Ubuntu myself for a specific project and I'm just about ready to jack it in and run Mandriva.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993490</id>
	<title>Re:Whichever moron tagged this as "irrelevant"...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257428700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wouldn't describe Debian as unmitigated garbage</p></div><p>I know you wouldn't.  None of Debian's fanboys do.  That is exactly the problem.</p><p>It isn't the distro itself; technical issues are always fixable.  The really incurable thing about Debian is its' user/developer base, who continue insisting that it is glorious in the face of all evidence to the contrary.</p><p>It's been said about alcoholics, drug addicts, and gamblers.  The only way to help someone with a problem, is if they are willing to get to a point where they admit that a problem genuinely exists.</p><p>If they're not willing to do that, there is no hope for them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't describe Debian as unmitigated garbageI know you would n't .
None of Debian 's fanboys do .
That is exactly the problem.It is n't the distro itself ; technical issues are always fixable .
The really incurable thing about Debian is its ' user/developer base , who continue insisting that it is glorious in the face of all evidence to the contrary.It 's been said about alcoholics , drug addicts , and gamblers .
The only way to help someone with a problem , is if they are willing to get to a point where they admit that a problem genuinely exists.If they 're not willing to do that , there is no hope for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't describe Debian as unmitigated garbageI know you wouldn't.
None of Debian's fanboys do.
That is exactly the problem.It isn't the distro itself; technical issues are always fixable.
The really incurable thing about Debian is its' user/developer base, who continue insisting that it is glorious in the face of all evidence to the contrary.It's been said about alcoholics, drug addicts, and gamblers.
The only way to help someone with a problem, is if they are willing to get to a point where they admit that a problem genuinely exists.If they're not willing to do that, there is no hope for them.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994054</id>
	<title>Hoping for great things</title>
	<author>Lemming Mark</author>
	<datestamp>1257432360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2009 Spring with the KDE4 desktop has given me an excellent experience on my Eee 701 with 2GB RAM (tried it with 512MB RAM, it was crashy and slow due to out-of-memory, though Mandriva includes a couple of lighter weight desktops which might be worth trying if you don't have KDE as a requirement!).</p><p>It works out-of-the-box on Eee 701 with the hardware well-supported without manual fiddling (a few magic function keys don't work, oh well).  It looks nice, it's KDE implementation is nice and polished.  It's like running a modern desktop OS, really excellent.  My main objection is simply that it doesn't have a vanilla (x)nethack package<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</p><p>I'm very excited to see 2010 and will upgrade to it after giving early adopters a chance to shake out any release bugs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2009 Spring with the KDE4 desktop has given me an excellent experience on my Eee 701 with 2GB RAM ( tried it with 512MB RAM , it was crashy and slow due to out-of-memory , though Mandriva includes a couple of lighter weight desktops which might be worth trying if you do n't have KDE as a requirement !
) .It works out-of-the-box on Eee 701 with the hardware well-supported without manual fiddling ( a few magic function keys do n't work , oh well ) .
It looks nice , it 's KDE implementation is nice and polished .
It 's like running a modern desktop OS , really excellent .
My main objection is simply that it does n't have a vanilla ( x ) nethack package : - ( I 'm very excited to see 2010 and will upgrade to it after giving early adopters a chance to shake out any release bugs ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2009 Spring with the KDE4 desktop has given me an excellent experience on my Eee 701 with 2GB RAM (tried it with 512MB RAM, it was crashy and slow due to out-of-memory, though Mandriva includes a couple of lighter weight desktops which might be worth trying if you don't have KDE as a requirement!
).It works out-of-the-box on Eee 701 with the hardware well-supported without manual fiddling (a few magic function keys don't work, oh well).
It looks nice, it's KDE implementation is nice and polished.
It's like running a modern desktop OS, really excellent.
My main objection is simply that it doesn't have a vanilla (x)nethack package :-(I'm very excited to see 2010 and will upgrade to it after giving early adopters a chance to shake out any release bugs ;-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991760</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257018840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Linux newcomer"!!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... that would be Ubuntu when compared to Mandriva(drake).  This distro has had a very useful control panel for admin tasks a long time + a solid KDE environment. Gnome is just not to my liking, I tried K/Ubuntu several times... eventually ended back at Mandriva. Hope this release is as good as 2009.1.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Linux newcomer " ! !
... that would be Ubuntu when compared to Mandriva ( drake ) .
This distro has had a very useful control panel for admin tasks a long time + a solid KDE environment .
Gnome is just not to my liking , I tried K/Ubuntu several times... eventually ended back at Mandriva .
Hope this release is as good as 2009.1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Linux newcomer"!!
... that would be Ubuntu when compared to Mandriva(drake).
This distro has had a very useful control panel for admin tasks a long time + a solid KDE environment.
Gnome is just not to my liking, I tried K/Ubuntu several times... eventually ended back at Mandriva.
Hope this release is as good as 2009.1.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991560</id>
	<title>Mandrake?</title>
	<author>gainpresence</author>
	<datestamp>1257016680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait... Mandrake got a sex change!? When did that happen, and why don't I care?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait... Mandrake got a sex change ! ?
When did that happen , and why do n't I care ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait... Mandrake got a sex change!?
When did that happen, and why don't I care?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992922</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>John Betonschaar</author>
	<datestamp>1257422160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mandriva is very easy to use, but also has all the power user features you can wish for easily available: by default there is a root account you can login to directly, unlike in Ubuntu. Installer supports more file system choices than most other distros (been running XFS at home for a long time).</p></div><p>I'd argue that linux newbies should better not have a root account they can log in to directly, and power users that \_do\_ need that so badly can probably figure out themselves that they only have to do 'sudo passwd root' once to enable root-logins in Ubuntu. Also I don't get your point about filesystems, last time I installed Ubuntu from scratch (8.04) I was able to pick tons of filesystems in the installer.</p><p>But don't get me wrong, you have a good point if you just meant to indicate that there's most likely a non-trivial demographic that would like Mandrive more than Ubuntu, just like with most other distro's (some people still love Slackware or Gentoo).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva is very easy to use , but also has all the power user features you can wish for easily available : by default there is a root account you can login to directly , unlike in Ubuntu .
Installer supports more file system choices than most other distros ( been running XFS at home for a long time ) .I 'd argue that linux newbies should better not have a root account they can log in to directly , and power users that \ _do \ _ need that so badly can probably figure out themselves that they only have to do 'sudo passwd root ' once to enable root-logins in Ubuntu .
Also I do n't get your point about filesystems , last time I installed Ubuntu from scratch ( 8.04 ) I was able to pick tons of filesystems in the installer.But do n't get me wrong , you have a good point if you just meant to indicate that there 's most likely a non-trivial demographic that would like Mandrive more than Ubuntu , just like with most other distro 's ( some people still love Slackware or Gentoo ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva is very easy to use, but also has all the power user features you can wish for easily available: by default there is a root account you can login to directly, unlike in Ubuntu.
Installer supports more file system choices than most other distros (been running XFS at home for a long time).I'd argue that linux newbies should better not have a root account they can log in to directly, and power users that \_do\_ need that so badly can probably figure out themselves that they only have to do 'sudo passwd root' once to enable root-logins in Ubuntu.
Also I don't get your point about filesystems, last time I installed Ubuntu from scratch (8.04) I was able to pick tons of filesystems in the installer.But don't get me wrong, you have a good point if you just meant to indicate that there's most likely a non-trivial demographic that would like Mandrive more than Ubuntu, just like with most other distro's (some people still love Slackware or Gentoo).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992886</id>
	<title>Re:-Finally- out?</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1257421740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's the OS development way: Linux is one year in front on releases, MS is one year behind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the OS development way : Linux is one year in front on releases , MS is one year behind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the OS development way: Linux is one year in front on releases, MS is one year behind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991632</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29995584</id>
	<title>Re:Whichever moron tagged this as "irrelevant"...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257440400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>30\% Insightful, (all overnight)<br>30\% Flamebait, (since the Ubuntu users woke up)<br>10\% Troll.</p><p>Are you really the majority, Debian/Ubuntu users?</p><p>Or are you simply the ones with the mod points?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>30 \ % Insightful , ( all overnight ) 30 \ % Flamebait , ( since the Ubuntu users woke up ) 10 \ % Troll.Are you really the majority , Debian/Ubuntu users ? Or are you simply the ones with the mod points ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>30\% Insightful, (all overnight)30\% Flamebait, (since the Ubuntu users woke up)10\% Troll.Are you really the majority, Debian/Ubuntu users?Or are you simply the ones with the mod points?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993028</id>
	<title>Mandrake lived and died by RPM</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1257423480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mandriva's not even run by the guy that founded Mandrake. So everyone that remembers the old Mandrake should remember that this is just somebody else with sorta the same name doing the distro now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva 's not even run by the guy that founded Mandrake .
So everyone that remembers the old Mandrake should remember that this is just somebody else with sorta the same name doing the distro now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva's not even run by the guy that founded Mandrake.
So everyone that remembers the old Mandrake should remember that this is just somebody else with sorta the same name doing the distro now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29995364</id>
	<title>The Slashdot community makes me laugh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257439260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It wasn't too long ago I was reading how wonderful Ubuntu was. Now on this post, it's "Ubuntu is full of fail". You guys are the emo kids in school that as soon as something gets popular "it sucks".</p><p>Oh and I'm not sure how Gnome on the desktop is fail. KDE isn't all that wonderful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was n't too long ago I was reading how wonderful Ubuntu was .
Now on this post , it 's " Ubuntu is full of fail " .
You guys are the emo kids in school that as soon as something gets popular " it sucks " .Oh and I 'm not sure how Gnome on the desktop is fail .
KDE is n't all that wonderful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wasn't too long ago I was reading how wonderful Ubuntu was.
Now on this post, it's "Ubuntu is full of fail".
You guys are the emo kids in school that as soon as something gets popular "it sucks".Oh and I'm not sure how Gnome on the desktop is fail.
KDE isn't all that wonderful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993040</id>
	<title>you only get a couple of chances</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1257423600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember trying it a long time ago and it didn't work right for me, so I never went back.  It may have improved by now, but my current Linux distro works fine for me--why should I bother?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember trying it a long time ago and it did n't work right for me , so I never went back .
It may have improved by now , but my current Linux distro works fine for me--why should I bother ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember trying it a long time ago and it didn't work right for me, so I never went back.
It may have improved by now, but my current Linux distro works fine for me--why should I bother?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993270</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one who cares?</title>
	<author>lezard</author>
	<datestamp>1257426420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, you're not alone<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) I'm happy as well!
I've always come back to Mandriva, even though I really like Debian, Arch and OpenSUSE.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you 're not alone : ) I 'm happy as well !
I 've always come back to Mandriva , even though I really like Debian , Arch and OpenSUSE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you're not alone :) I'm happy as well!
I've always come back to Mandriva, even though I really like Debian, Arch and OpenSUSE.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991846</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>plasticsquirrel</author>
	<datestamp>1257451980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>For those of you who jumped onto the Linux boat in the Ubuntu era, Mandriva / Mandrake is mostly a hold-over from the days when Red Hat Linux was the biggest Linux distribution around. Red Hat was still a little difficult for some users, so Mandrake was based off Red Hat with more of a focus on polish and ease of use for desktop systems... Maybe similar to the relationship between Ubuntu and Debian. Like Ubuntu, Mandrake was very important, and if someone needed an easy Linux distro, Mandrake Linux was almost the standard.<br> <br>I still remember ordering Mandrake and Slackware CD's through the mail because they were too big to download on a 56k connection. For a few dollars any number of companies would burn disks as send them through the mail. It wasn't standard for everyone to have broadband, or to be able to do updates through the Internet. In retrospect, Linux was certainly clumsier, rougher, and less stable on the desktop. A quick spin with Mandrake Linux 7 can show you how radically the Linux desktop experience has changed in the last nine years.<br> <br>This clumsy user experience was also responsible for turning many Linux geeks away from the "bloated" desktop environments and more toward bare metal distributions such as Slackware and Debian, along with minimalist window managers, xterms, and other such tools. In my case, after struggling with Red Hat and Mandrake, I found the simplicity of Slackware to actually be easier, and lived over in that world for the next 7-8 years until Ubuntu really started to shine. I am sure there are many other Slashdotters who have had similar experiences in their years with Linux.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For those of you who jumped onto the Linux boat in the Ubuntu era , Mandriva / Mandrake is mostly a hold-over from the days when Red Hat Linux was the biggest Linux distribution around .
Red Hat was still a little difficult for some users , so Mandrake was based off Red Hat with more of a focus on polish and ease of use for desktop systems... Maybe similar to the relationship between Ubuntu and Debian .
Like Ubuntu , Mandrake was very important , and if someone needed an easy Linux distro , Mandrake Linux was almost the standard .
I still remember ordering Mandrake and Slackware CD 's through the mail because they were too big to download on a 56k connection .
For a few dollars any number of companies would burn disks as send them through the mail .
It was n't standard for everyone to have broadband , or to be able to do updates through the Internet .
In retrospect , Linux was certainly clumsier , rougher , and less stable on the desktop .
A quick spin with Mandrake Linux 7 can show you how radically the Linux desktop experience has changed in the last nine years .
This clumsy user experience was also responsible for turning many Linux geeks away from the " bloated " desktop environments and more toward bare metal distributions such as Slackware and Debian , along with minimalist window managers , xterms , and other such tools .
In my case , after struggling with Red Hat and Mandrake , I found the simplicity of Slackware to actually be easier , and lived over in that world for the next 7-8 years until Ubuntu really started to shine .
I am sure there are many other Slashdotters who have had similar experiences in their years with Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those of you who jumped onto the Linux boat in the Ubuntu era, Mandriva / Mandrake is mostly a hold-over from the days when Red Hat Linux was the biggest Linux distribution around.
Red Hat was still a little difficult for some users, so Mandrake was based off Red Hat with more of a focus on polish and ease of use for desktop systems... Maybe similar to the relationship between Ubuntu and Debian.
Like Ubuntu, Mandrake was very important, and if someone needed an easy Linux distro, Mandrake Linux was almost the standard.
I still remember ordering Mandrake and Slackware CD's through the mail because they were too big to download on a 56k connection.
For a few dollars any number of companies would burn disks as send them through the mail.
It wasn't standard for everyone to have broadband, or to be able to do updates through the Internet.
In retrospect, Linux was certainly clumsier, rougher, and less stable on the desktop.
A quick spin with Mandrake Linux 7 can show you how radically the Linux desktop experience has changed in the last nine years.
This clumsy user experience was also responsible for turning many Linux geeks away from the "bloated" desktop environments and more toward bare metal distributions such as Slackware and Debian, along with minimalist window managers, xterms, and other such tools.
In my case, after struggling with Red Hat and Mandrake, I found the simplicity of Slackware to actually be easier, and lived over in that world for the next 7-8 years until Ubuntu really started to shine.
I am sure there are many other Slashdotters who have had similar experiences in their years with Linux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992002</id>
	<title>Re:I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257454200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with you. I think it's partly it just takes a good distro time to impact the popularity, and thus large happy community, of Ubuntu. I think functionally Mandriva is Ubuntu's match except where it's better -- like great hardware detect. I've been wishing Ubuntu would learn from that distro. Meanwhile Ubuntu has a \_huge\_ community base, and any question is quickly dealt with in spades with a Google search. So I still install Ubuntu for friends and family.</p><p>And party, it's the name. I'm fine with names like Gnome and Ubuntu and KDE and Leopard even something pathetic like "XP". Names don't bother me much. But "Mandriva"? It's just neither here nor there somehow. I call it the "Freddie Mercury" distro, just to give the name some meaning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with you .
I think it 's partly it just takes a good distro time to impact the popularity , and thus large happy community , of Ubuntu .
I think functionally Mandriva is Ubuntu 's match except where it 's better -- like great hardware detect .
I 've been wishing Ubuntu would learn from that distro .
Meanwhile Ubuntu has a \ _huge \ _ community base , and any question is quickly dealt with in spades with a Google search .
So I still install Ubuntu for friends and family.And party , it 's the name .
I 'm fine with names like Gnome and Ubuntu and KDE and Leopard even something pathetic like " XP " .
Names do n't bother me much .
But " Mandriva " ?
It 's just neither here nor there somehow .
I call it the " Freddie Mercury " distro , just to give the name some meaning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with you.
I think it's partly it just takes a good distro time to impact the popularity, and thus large happy community, of Ubuntu.
I think functionally Mandriva is Ubuntu's match except where it's better -- like great hardware detect.
I've been wishing Ubuntu would learn from that distro.
Meanwhile Ubuntu has a \_huge\_ community base, and any question is quickly dealt with in spades with a Google search.
So I still install Ubuntu for friends and family.And party, it's the name.
I'm fine with names like Gnome and Ubuntu and KDE and Leopard even something pathetic like "XP".
Names don't bother me much.
But "Mandriva"?
It's just neither here nor there somehow.
I call it the "Freddie Mercury" distro, just to give the name some meaning.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992198</id>
	<title>Re:I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257413700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is definitely a mystery as to why Mandrake (it will always be Mandrake to me) has never gained the publicity of the other distros. There was a period in the early part of the decade (2002-05ish) when it was hands down the best distro around, yet never recieved the attention of say Redhat or Suse.</p><p>I moved away from Mandrake when I started working at a big Uni which had its own home grown fork of RedHat (the fork made redhat actually quite good), and I never came back to it. Eventually I found Ubuntu and never looked back.</p><p>Mandrake was the first distro that I could get to work properly, and it will always have a place in my heart!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is definitely a mystery as to why Mandrake ( it will always be Mandrake to me ) has never gained the publicity of the other distros .
There was a period in the early part of the decade ( 2002-05ish ) when it was hands down the best distro around , yet never recieved the attention of say Redhat or Suse.I moved away from Mandrake when I started working at a big Uni which had its own home grown fork of RedHat ( the fork made redhat actually quite good ) , and I never came back to it .
Eventually I found Ubuntu and never looked back.Mandrake was the first distro that I could get to work properly , and it will always have a place in my heart !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is definitely a mystery as to why Mandrake (it will always be Mandrake to me) has never gained the publicity of the other distros.
There was a period in the early part of the decade (2002-05ish) when it was hands down the best distro around, yet never recieved the attention of say Redhat or Suse.I moved away from Mandrake when I started working at a big Uni which had its own home grown fork of RedHat (the fork made redhat actually quite good), and I never came back to it.
Eventually I found Ubuntu and never looked back.Mandrake was the first distro that I could get to work properly, and it will always have a place in my heart!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993260</id>
	<title>Re:Whichever moron tagged this as "irrelevant"...</title>
	<author>tokul</author>
	<datestamp>1257426300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Ubuntu is made of fail because it loves Gnomes.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>I think it comes from their ancestors. Debian always preferred Gnome.
</p><p>Preferring Gnome over KDE is not a failure. It is only something that does not match your desktop environment requirements. Some people like Gnome. Although you might not like KDE either. I don't think that it fits your "rely on to install right, work properly and not throw up a fuss when it comes to installing software, playing music and getting things done" requirements.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu is made of fail because it loves Gnomes .
I think it comes from their ancestors .
Debian always preferred Gnome .
Preferring Gnome over KDE is not a failure .
It is only something that does not match your desktop environment requirements .
Some people like Gnome .
Although you might not like KDE either .
I do n't think that it fits your " rely on to install right , work properly and not throw up a fuss when it comes to installing software , playing music and getting things done " requirements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu is made of fail because it loves Gnomes.
I think it comes from their ancestors.
Debian always preferred Gnome.
Preferring Gnome over KDE is not a failure.
It is only something that does not match your desktop environment requirements.
Some people like Gnome.
Although you might not like KDE either.
I don't think that it fits your "rely on to install right, work properly and not throw up a fuss when it comes to installing software, playing music and getting things done" requirements.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29997464</id>
	<title>Re:-Finally- out?</title>
	<author>Espectr0</author>
	<datestamp>1257449520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tell that to car manufacturers that have 2011 models already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell that to car manufacturers that have 2011 models already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell that to car manufacturers that have 2011 models already.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992954</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>xtracto</author>
	<datestamp>1257422520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mandriva / Mandrake is mostly a hold-over from the days when Red Hat Linux was the biggest Linux distribution around</p></div><p>Ahh old times, anyone remember the parodies:<br>Mandrake Linux [teletubbies picture]<br>Lesbian Linux [Debian-like picture]<br>Dead Rat Linux [Redhat-like]</p><p>Others I am missing?<br>I could not find them on teh google<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva / Mandrake is mostly a hold-over from the days when Red Hat Linux was the biggest Linux distribution aroundAhh old times , anyone remember the parodies : Mandrake Linux [ teletubbies picture ] Lesbian Linux [ Debian-like picture ] Dead Rat Linux [ Redhat-like ] Others I am missing ? I could not find them on teh google : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva / Mandrake is mostly a hold-over from the days when Red Hat Linux was the biggest Linux distribution aroundAhh old times, anyone remember the parodies:Mandrake Linux [teletubbies picture]Lesbian Linux [Debian-like picture]Dead Rat Linux [Redhat-like]Others I am missing?I could not find them on teh google :(
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991610</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Stormwatch</author>
	<datestamp>1257017520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>...considering Mandrivia costs 60 euros...</p></div></blockquote><p>
Actually they have a gratis version (One) and a commercial version (Powerpack); they're almost the same, but Powerpack includes some non-free software.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...considering Mandrivia costs 60 euros.. . Actually they have a gratis version ( One ) and a commercial version ( Powerpack ) ; they 're almost the same , but Powerpack includes some non-free software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...considering Mandrivia costs 60 euros...
Actually they have a gratis version (One) and a commercial version (Powerpack); they're almost the same, but Powerpack includes some non-free software.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991700</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1257018180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mandriva has a free as in beer one CD (like Ubuntu) version: you pay for the version that comes as a multi CD set (so you can install more on installation without downloading) and support.</p><p>In any case, the cost of an OS is trivial compared to its importance to most users: if 60 Euros gives you something better, spend it.</p><p>If you think you should adopt the most widely used desktop, you should logically  use Windows.</p><p>Mandriva is a very good distro, and much more newbie friendly. It has better hardware detection, and is very easy to use. The only real shortcoming is that the software installer is not quite as good as Synaptic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva has a free as in beer one CD ( like Ubuntu ) version : you pay for the version that comes as a multi CD set ( so you can install more on installation without downloading ) and support.In any case , the cost of an OS is trivial compared to its importance to most users : if 60 Euros gives you something better , spend it.If you think you should adopt the most widely used desktop , you should logically use Windows.Mandriva is a very good distro , and much more newbie friendly .
It has better hardware detection , and is very easy to use .
The only real shortcoming is that the software installer is not quite as good as Synaptic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva has a free as in beer one CD (like Ubuntu) version: you pay for the version that comes as a multi CD set (so you can install more on installation without downloading) and support.In any case, the cost of an OS is trivial compared to its importance to most users: if 60 Euros gives you something better, spend it.If you think you should adopt the most widely used desktop, you should logically  use Windows.Mandriva is a very good distro, and much more newbie friendly.
It has better hardware detection, and is very easy to use.
The only real shortcoming is that the software installer is not quite as good as Synaptic.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991546</id>
	<title>How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>gapagos</author>
	<datestamp>1257016560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...considering Mandrivia costs 60 euros and has a MUCH smaller userbase than Ubuntu, which is free and is the de facto desktop distro winner. Shouldn't a linux newcomer just adopt the most supported distro aka Ubuntu?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...considering Mandrivia costs 60 euros and has a MUCH smaller userbase than Ubuntu , which is free and is the de facto desktop distro winner .
Should n't a linux newcomer just adopt the most supported distro aka Ubuntu ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...considering Mandrivia costs 60 euros and has a MUCH smaller userbase than Ubuntu, which is free and is the de facto desktop distro winner.
Shouldn't a linux newcomer just adopt the most supported distro aka Ubuntu?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29995524</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257440040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>well done, man.  i started around debian 2.0 in '98, then moved to red hat 6, but had forgotten all those intricacies of the scene at the time.  as one who jumped on the boat before ubuntu, i also appreciated the post, and thanks for edifying the newbies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>well done , man .
i started around debian 2.0 in '98 , then moved to red hat 6 , but had forgotten all those intricacies of the scene at the time .
as one who jumped on the boat before ubuntu , i also appreciated the post , and thanks for edifying the newbies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>well done, man.
i started around debian 2.0 in '98, then moved to red hat 6, but had forgotten all those intricacies of the scene at the time.
as one who jumped on the boat before ubuntu, i also appreciated the post, and thanks for edifying the newbies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993508</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>SleeknStealthy</author>
	<datestamp>1257428940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>an modern day</i> eh?  you may want to perform a grammar check on your insults.</htmltext>
<tokenext>an modern day eh ?
you may want to perform a grammar check on your insults .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>an modern day eh?
you may want to perform a grammar check on your insults.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.30019924</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>DeKO</author>
	<datestamp>1257672120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you suggesting people to use XFS? Why would you do that? That's beyond mean.</p><p>I tried migrating all my data to XFS once. About a month later I was desperately migrating it all back to ext3. Not only XFS has serious design flaws that make it one of the most fragile FS around, the driver implementation is even able to corrupt the stored data (that is, not just the directory structure, but the file contents too) even during normal operation. Two weeks after setting up a server with XFS, I had to shut it down to fix the file system errors; another 2 weeks uptime, I had to do it again, but this time only so i could back the data up and reinstall the system on an ext3 partition (same disk, not a single badblock up to this day).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you suggesting people to use XFS ?
Why would you do that ?
That 's beyond mean.I tried migrating all my data to XFS once .
About a month later I was desperately migrating it all back to ext3 .
Not only XFS has serious design flaws that make it one of the most fragile FS around , the driver implementation is even able to corrupt the stored data ( that is , not just the directory structure , but the file contents too ) even during normal operation .
Two weeks after setting up a server with XFS , I had to shut it down to fix the file system errors ; another 2 weeks uptime , I had to do it again , but this time only so i could back the data up and reinstall the system on an ext3 partition ( same disk , not a single badblock up to this day ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you suggesting people to use XFS?
Why would you do that?
That's beyond mean.I tried migrating all my data to XFS once.
About a month later I was desperately migrating it all back to ext3.
Not only XFS has serious design flaws that make it one of the most fragile FS around, the driver implementation is even able to corrupt the stored data (that is, not just the directory structure, but the file contents too) even during normal operation.
Two weeks after setting up a server with XFS, I had to shut it down to fix the file system errors; another 2 weeks uptime, I had to do it again, but this time only so i could back the data up and reinstall the system on an ext3 partition (same disk, not a single badblock up to this day).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992408</id>
	<title>Re:I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257416280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the first and foremost answer to that is that people don't want complexity. When somebody new asks them what distro they should try out, the last thing you want to do is to answer "Try Mandriva or Ubuntu or Fedora or OpenSuse or....", you only confuse them by saying they have different strengths and weaknesses. It's like talking the details of spin and reach and weight of a racket to someone who needs to learn to hit the ball. Single straight answer: "Ubuntu". Not that it really had to be that distro, but it's a rolling snowball. Now, why that answer isn't Mandriva...</p><p>I did try Mandriva, or I think it was Mandrake back then, and for me it had issues. Of course this is highly anecdotal, but I wasn't the only one who went with Debian instead because Debian had those issues fixed, and it didn't really matter what's on top if the base wasn't solid. And Debian was very good in terms of system stability, quality of base packages and all that, I'm sure it still is. It just was terribly desktop-unfriendly at the time, it was in many ways little things like not having a graphical boot that just screamed at you "this is not really a desktop distro". Ubuntu's early sales pitch was really "Debian with focus on the desktop".</p><p>In practice you won some and lost some, but it was an easy sales pitch. Pretty much everyone using Debian on the desktop gave it a go, I think. Mandriva? Always there but never managed to make a big splash saying "Hey, try me again". Yes, it's a bit like lemmings but the big lemming invasion in Ubuntu has also lead to results. There's a lot of things that have been fixed that I feel never got attention or priority in Debian, maybe it could have happened some other way but I guess it was easier to think Ubuntu could put a good face on Debian than believing Mandriva could make the basics as solid as Debian.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the first and foremost answer to that is that people do n't want complexity .
When somebody new asks them what distro they should try out , the last thing you want to do is to answer " Try Mandriva or Ubuntu or Fedora or OpenSuse or.... " , you only confuse them by saying they have different strengths and weaknesses .
It 's like talking the details of spin and reach and weight of a racket to someone who needs to learn to hit the ball .
Single straight answer : " Ubuntu " .
Not that it really had to be that distro , but it 's a rolling snowball .
Now , why that answer is n't Mandriva...I did try Mandriva , or I think it was Mandrake back then , and for me it had issues .
Of course this is highly anecdotal , but I was n't the only one who went with Debian instead because Debian had those issues fixed , and it did n't really matter what 's on top if the base was n't solid .
And Debian was very good in terms of system stability , quality of base packages and all that , I 'm sure it still is .
It just was terribly desktop-unfriendly at the time , it was in many ways little things like not having a graphical boot that just screamed at you " this is not really a desktop distro " .
Ubuntu 's early sales pitch was really " Debian with focus on the desktop " .In practice you won some and lost some , but it was an easy sales pitch .
Pretty much everyone using Debian on the desktop gave it a go , I think .
Mandriva ? Always there but never managed to make a big splash saying " Hey , try me again " .
Yes , it 's a bit like lemmings but the big lemming invasion in Ubuntu has also lead to results .
There 's a lot of things that have been fixed that I feel never got attention or priority in Debian , maybe it could have happened some other way but I guess it was easier to think Ubuntu could put a good face on Debian than believing Mandriva could make the basics as solid as Debian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the first and foremost answer to that is that people don't want complexity.
When somebody new asks them what distro they should try out, the last thing you want to do is to answer "Try Mandriva or Ubuntu or Fedora or OpenSuse or....", you only confuse them by saying they have different strengths and weaknesses.
It's like talking the details of spin and reach and weight of a racket to someone who needs to learn to hit the ball.
Single straight answer: "Ubuntu".
Not that it really had to be that distro, but it's a rolling snowball.
Now, why that answer isn't Mandriva...I did try Mandriva, or I think it was Mandrake back then, and for me it had issues.
Of course this is highly anecdotal, but I wasn't the only one who went with Debian instead because Debian had those issues fixed, and it didn't really matter what's on top if the base wasn't solid.
And Debian was very good in terms of system stability, quality of base packages and all that, I'm sure it still is.
It just was terribly desktop-unfriendly at the time, it was in many ways little things like not having a graphical boot that just screamed at you "this is not really a desktop distro".
Ubuntu's early sales pitch was really "Debian with focus on the desktop".In practice you won some and lost some, but it was an easy sales pitch.
Pretty much everyone using Debian on the desktop gave it a go, I think.
Mandriva? Always there but never managed to make a big splash saying "Hey, try me again".
Yes, it's a bit like lemmings but the big lemming invasion in Ubuntu has also lead to results.
There's a lot of things that have been fixed that I feel never got attention or priority in Debian, maybe it could have happened some other way but I guess it was easier to think Ubuntu could put a good face on Debian than believing Mandriva could make the basics as solid as Debian.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29996882</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>fyoder</author>
	<datestamp>1257446580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've found kde on ubuntu to be totally usable, though I install ubuntu first, then install kde desktop. I had a bad experience similar to what you describe installing kubuntu directly. I don't know if they've fixed it, sounds like not from your description, but I want both gnome and kde apps anyway, so might as well start by installing ubuntu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've found kde on ubuntu to be totally usable , though I install ubuntu first , then install kde desktop .
I had a bad experience similar to what you describe installing kubuntu directly .
I do n't know if they 've fixed it , sounds like not from your description , but I want both gnome and kde apps anyway , so might as well start by installing ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've found kde on ubuntu to be totally usable, though I install ubuntu first, then install kde desktop.
I had a bad experience similar to what you describe installing kubuntu directly.
I don't know if they've fixed it, sounds like not from your description, but I want both gnome and kde apps anyway, so might as well start by installing ubuntu.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.30001468</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>vikstar</author>
	<datestamp>1257424020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mandriva isn't free as in beer, you have to pay the subscription to downloaded it, unless you have an ancient 32 bit computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva is n't free as in beer , you have to pay the subscription to downloaded it , unless you have an ancient 32 bit computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva isn't free as in beer, you have to pay the subscription to downloaded it, unless you have an ancient 32 bit computer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.30024934</id>
	<title>Wow.  Just Wow.</title>
	<author>ricegf</author>
	<datestamp>1257673500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I've used Linux for about 10 years now, starting with Mandrake (the original Mandriva) back in the "RPM Hell" dark ages. For the past several years I've used Ubuntu (since 6.06, I think) with Gnome, but have watch KDE 4 mature with some interest. Having recently started playing with Virtual Box, this story gave me the motivation to compare Kubuntu 9.10 to Mandriva 2010 from my own personal Gnome-tainted perspective, since KDE 4 enthusiasts keep posting that Kunbuntu doesn't do KDE 4 justice next to a "real" KDE distribution like Mandriva. This was a highly biased, what-I-care-about perspective. Your mileage will most *definitely* vary.
</p><p>
I installed Kubuntu first, and was underwhelmed (to be polite). Just finished playing with Mandriva 2010, and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... wow.  *Huge* difference.
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Kubuntu was *much* easier to install, very similar to the trademark ease of Ubuntu. Mandriva was what I remembered from many years ago - scores of screens asking me the most trivial details ("How should we display time?" Well, pick something and if I really hate it I'll change it! Geesh! "Do you have any other repositories?"  I have no earthly idea.  "Which desktop would you like - KDE, Gnome, or other?"  Other?  Really?  And didn't this used to have a "Both" entry?).
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Once installed, however, Kubuntu left me cold. No Firefox (I launched the Konquerer thing, and it crashed on my second tab and took me to Bugzilla, which listed more "similar" Konquerer bug reports than I had heart to even skim). Few tools pre-installed. No games at all. And a weird sliding K-Menu thingy that took four clicks just to launch an application. I was left with a sinking "*now* what do I do?" kind of feeling, which is unusual in my experience in the rich world of free software.
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Mandriva looked great on first boot (though it really wanted me to complete a detailed questionnaire, which I started and then abandoned). I didn't like having to log in (if someone I don't trust is accessing my console, I have a much bigger problem than computer security - like, how did this person get in my *house*!), but once in, the menu was pre-populated with all the comforting old favorites - FireFox, OpenOffice.org, GIMP, Aramok, Okular, Scribus (hadn't looked that one in a few years!), and on and on - and so many games they had to have sub-categories to fit them all on the comfortingly normal menu. And a "starter quick launch bar" in the lower left, next to the Mandriva Star that acted like a K-Menu.  I have no idea what a "Diff Check" is (a notice keeps popping up in the lower right to assure me that nobody has tampered with my computer - is this a common problem???), but thus far it all seems... comfortable.
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Not sure I'll be switching to KDE 4 any time soon, but certainly Mandriva presents a very convincing case that it's ready to this Gnome-oriented user.  Kubuntu doesn't seem to quite be there yet, but since Ubuntu is so nicely polished, I'm sure given some time they'll produce something I like. But now I see what KDE enthusiasts mean when they complain that Kubuntu unfairly tarnishes their reputation.
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Just my $0.02, and a "Well done, Mandriva!" to the nice folks on the continent.  I fondly miss you guys.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)
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Posted from my Mandriva VM...
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<tokenext>I 've used Linux for about 10 years now , starting with Mandrake ( the original Mandriva ) back in the " RPM Hell " dark ages .
For the past several years I 've used Ubuntu ( since 6.06 , I think ) with Gnome , but have watch KDE 4 mature with some interest .
Having recently started playing with Virtual Box , this story gave me the motivation to compare Kubuntu 9.10 to Mandriva 2010 from my own personal Gnome-tainted perspective , since KDE 4 enthusiasts keep posting that Kunbuntu does n't do KDE 4 justice next to a " real " KDE distribution like Mandriva .
This was a highly biased , what-I-care-about perspective .
Your mileage will most * definitely * vary .
I installed Kubuntu first , and was underwhelmed ( to be polite ) .
Just finished playing with Mandriva 2010 , and ... wow. * Huge * difference .
Kubuntu was * much * easier to install , very similar to the trademark ease of Ubuntu .
Mandriva was what I remembered from many years ago - scores of screens asking me the most trivial details ( " How should we display time ?
" Well , pick something and if I really hate it I 'll change it !
Geesh ! " Do you have any other repositories ?
" I have no earthly idea .
" Which desktop would you like - KDE , Gnome , or other ?
" Other ?
Really ? And did n't this used to have a " Both " entry ? ) .
Once installed , however , Kubuntu left me cold .
No Firefox ( I launched the Konquerer thing , and it crashed on my second tab and took me to Bugzilla , which listed more " similar " Konquerer bug reports than I had heart to even skim ) .
Few tools pre-installed .
No games at all .
And a weird sliding K-Menu thingy that took four clicks just to launch an application .
I was left with a sinking " * now * what do I do ?
" kind of feeling , which is unusual in my experience in the rich world of free software .
Mandriva looked great on first boot ( though it really wanted me to complete a detailed questionnaire , which I started and then abandoned ) .
I did n't like having to log in ( if someone I do n't trust is accessing my console , I have a much bigger problem than computer security - like , how did this person get in my * house * !
) , but once in , the menu was pre-populated with all the comforting old favorites - FireFox , OpenOffice.org , GIMP , Aramok , Okular , Scribus ( had n't looked that one in a few years !
) , and on and on - and so many games they had to have sub-categories to fit them all on the comfortingly normal menu .
And a " starter quick launch bar " in the lower left , next to the Mandriva Star that acted like a K-Menu .
I have no idea what a " Diff Check " is ( a notice keeps popping up in the lower right to assure me that nobody has tampered with my computer - is this a common problem ? ? ?
) , but thus far it all seems... comfortable . Not sure I 'll be switching to KDE 4 any time soon , but certainly Mandriva presents a very convincing case that it 's ready to this Gnome-oriented user .
Kubuntu does n't seem to quite be there yet , but since Ubuntu is so nicely polished , I 'm sure given some time they 'll produce something I like .
But now I see what KDE enthusiasts mean when they complain that Kubuntu unfairly tarnishes their reputation .
Just my $ 0.02 , and a " Well done , Mandriva !
" to the nice folks on the continent .
I fondly miss you guys .
: - ) Posted from my Mandriva VM.. .</tokentext>
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I've used Linux for about 10 years now, starting with Mandrake (the original Mandriva) back in the "RPM Hell" dark ages.
For the past several years I've used Ubuntu (since 6.06, I think) with Gnome, but have watch KDE 4 mature with some interest.
Having recently started playing with Virtual Box, this story gave me the motivation to compare Kubuntu 9.10 to Mandriva 2010 from my own personal Gnome-tainted perspective, since KDE 4 enthusiasts keep posting that Kunbuntu doesn't do KDE 4 justice next to a "real" KDE distribution like Mandriva.
This was a highly biased, what-I-care-about perspective.
Your mileage will most *definitely* vary.
I installed Kubuntu first, and was underwhelmed (to be polite).
Just finished playing with Mandriva 2010, and ... wow.  *Huge* difference.
Kubuntu was *much* easier to install, very similar to the trademark ease of Ubuntu.
Mandriva was what I remembered from many years ago - scores of screens asking me the most trivial details ("How should we display time?
" Well, pick something and if I really hate it I'll change it!
Geesh! "Do you have any other repositories?
"  I have no earthly idea.
"Which desktop would you like - KDE, Gnome, or other?
"  Other?
Really?  And didn't this used to have a "Both" entry?).
Once installed, however, Kubuntu left me cold.
No Firefox (I launched the Konquerer thing, and it crashed on my second tab and took me to Bugzilla, which listed more "similar" Konquerer bug reports than I had heart to even skim).
Few tools pre-installed.
No games at all.
And a weird sliding K-Menu thingy that took four clicks just to launch an application.
I was left with a sinking "*now* what do I do?
" kind of feeling, which is unusual in my experience in the rich world of free software.
Mandriva looked great on first boot (though it really wanted me to complete a detailed questionnaire, which I started and then abandoned).
I didn't like having to log in (if someone I don't trust is accessing my console, I have a much bigger problem than computer security - like, how did this person get in my *house*!
), but once in, the menu was pre-populated with all the comforting old favorites - FireFox, OpenOffice.org, GIMP, Aramok, Okular, Scribus (hadn't looked that one in a few years!
), and on and on - and so many games they had to have sub-categories to fit them all on the comfortingly normal menu.
And a "starter quick launch bar" in the lower left, next to the Mandriva Star that acted like a K-Menu.
I have no idea what a "Diff Check" is (a notice keeps popping up in the lower right to assure me that nobody has tampered with my computer - is this a common problem???
), but thus far it all seems... comfortable.

Not sure I'll be switching to KDE 4 any time soon, but certainly Mandriva presents a very convincing case that it's ready to this Gnome-oriented user.
Kubuntu doesn't seem to quite be there yet, but since Ubuntu is so nicely polished, I'm sure given some time they'll produce something I like.
But now I see what KDE enthusiasts mean when they complain that Kubuntu unfairly tarnishes their reputation.
Just my $0.02, and a "Well done, Mandriva!
" to the nice folks on the continent.
I fondly miss you guys.
:-)

Posted from my Mandriva VM...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993534</id>
	<title>Re:The sad fortune of distributions...</title>
	<author>cenc</author>
	<datestamp>1257429300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I started using Mandriva way back in the early mandrake days around 3.x something, and have always kept an eye on it over the years. The problem was not the concept, the problem was the execution. The company was flaky and poorly run, and it showed in the distro. They had a bankruptcy as I recall, the name change, management change, they tried to be a server company taking on red hat for a while, and the distros reflected it.</p><p>From one distro to the next it would go from well polished and working great, to a mess of broken packages, menu changes, and so on. Then the next distro they would be back to well polished and working great distro. They simply could not ever get consistency from version to version.  Then after a while, they seemed to side with doing both. Now they are one of the most bloated and slow distros out there. It is that inconsistency that keeps me from taking it up, because I know from experience that they might get a killer version, then they will screw it up again on the next one.</p><p>I was super impressed when PCLOS came out, because it was what Mandriva should have or could have been from the start; but, unfortunately they too seem to have gone down the road of inconsistent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I started using Mandriva way back in the early mandrake days around 3.x something , and have always kept an eye on it over the years .
The problem was not the concept , the problem was the execution .
The company was flaky and poorly run , and it showed in the distro .
They had a bankruptcy as I recall , the name change , management change , they tried to be a server company taking on red hat for a while , and the distros reflected it.From one distro to the next it would go from well polished and working great , to a mess of broken packages , menu changes , and so on .
Then the next distro they would be back to well polished and working great distro .
They simply could not ever get consistency from version to version .
Then after a while , they seemed to side with doing both .
Now they are one of the most bloated and slow distros out there .
It is that inconsistency that keeps me from taking it up , because I know from experience that they might get a killer version , then they will screw it up again on the next one.I was super impressed when PCLOS came out , because it was what Mandriva should have or could have been from the start ; but , unfortunately they too seem to have gone down the road of inconsistent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I started using Mandriva way back in the early mandrake days around 3.x something, and have always kept an eye on it over the years.
The problem was not the concept, the problem was the execution.
The company was flaky and poorly run, and it showed in the distro.
They had a bankruptcy as I recall, the name change, management change, they tried to be a server company taking on red hat for a while, and the distros reflected it.From one distro to the next it would go from well polished and working great, to a mess of broken packages, menu changes, and so on.
Then the next distro they would be back to well polished and working great distro.
They simply could not ever get consistency from version to version.
Then after a while, they seemed to side with doing both.
Now they are one of the most bloated and slow distros out there.
It is that inconsistency that keeps me from taking it up, because I know from experience that they might get a killer version, then they will screw it up again on the next one.I was super impressed when PCLOS came out, because it was what Mandriva should have or could have been from the start; but, unfortunately they too seem to have gone down the road of inconsistent.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29995040</id>
	<title>Using mandriva since 2002</title>
	<author>alexmin</author>
	<datestamp>1257437640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Currently about 40 server boxes, about dozen of workstations. Tried other distros many times since 2002, always switched back.<br>Good job, Mandriva guys!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Currently about 40 server boxes , about dozen of workstations .
Tried other distros many times since 2002 , always switched back.Good job , Mandriva guys !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Currently about 40 server boxes, about dozen of workstations.
Tried other distros many times since 2002, always switched back.Good job, Mandriva guys!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29995302</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257438840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, you're saying that there is no advantage over Ubuntu?</p><p>A full GUI root account is a terrible idea, as everything you run then has full root access and EVERY ONE OF THOSE PROGRAMS can now be a vector for infection. Especially your web browser, IM client, anything that suddenly, unexpectedly has root access and communicates with the outside world. All of those security flaws that developers make a lower priority because the user permissions prevent from actually functioning no longer apply.</p><p>The "supports more file system choices" nonsense is just nonsense, since the "wubi" installer for Ubuntu allows Ubuntu to run off of a FAT32 or NTFS partition, which Mandriva can't do, and all other filesystems available are those that the Linux kernel provides, which are the same for Ubuntu and Mandriva.</p><p>I've had systems a few years ago that couldn't run Mandriva and Ubuntu ran on just fine (haven't tried Mandriva in a while), so your anecdote about hardware support is bunk.</p><p>Oh, and the reason why I left Mandrake for SuSE (and later Ubuntu) in the first place: RPM Hell. Mandrake is only slightly better than SuSE (and moreso than Fedora) at this, but I don't want to fight with my package manager because of bizarre internal consistency issues that prevent upgrading packages, or adding third-party software. I've never had this problem on Ubuntu or Debian or Elive or any other<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.deb-based distribution, but on RPM-based distributions, this eventual inability to upgrade/install certain packages because of bizarre consistency issues has arisen, much like issues with the Windows Registry, only worse, because it prevents you from actually doing what you need to, rather than just slow you down a bit.</p><p>Ubuntu also has a method of installing patent-encumbered software, and it's built-in, not an external repository:<br>sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras<br>Even if you don't do that, any time you try to play an MP3 or WMV, etc, it will ask you if you want to download and install the codec required, on the spot, just warning you that it's patent-encumbered. How is that not *better* than your solution in Mandriva?</p><p>Did Ubuntu 9.10 have hiccups? Yes, it did. One of my systems was bitten by a hiccup where a customized<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/fstab (automounting a remote filesystem on startup) caused the system to sit and wait at boot for the remote filesystem before it had enabled networking support.</p><p>But that's the price you pay when you go outside the norms and do something unexpected -- none of my "normal" systems (including a MythTV box, a laptop with GNOME, KDE, XFCE, and Enlightenment, and two desktops) had any hiccups, only one acting as a server that mounted disparate Windows and Linux shared directories at startup and then merged the various video directories together with the FUSE-based funionfs had any issues -- because how many people in the world actually did such a thing as that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , you 're saying that there is no advantage over Ubuntu ? A full GUI root account is a terrible idea , as everything you run then has full root access and EVERY ONE OF THOSE PROGRAMS can now be a vector for infection .
Especially your web browser , IM client , anything that suddenly , unexpectedly has root access and communicates with the outside world .
All of those security flaws that developers make a lower priority because the user permissions prevent from actually functioning no longer apply.The " supports more file system choices " nonsense is just nonsense , since the " wubi " installer for Ubuntu allows Ubuntu to run off of a FAT32 or NTFS partition , which Mandriva ca n't do , and all other filesystems available are those that the Linux kernel provides , which are the same for Ubuntu and Mandriva.I 've had systems a few years ago that could n't run Mandriva and Ubuntu ran on just fine ( have n't tried Mandriva in a while ) , so your anecdote about hardware support is bunk.Oh , and the reason why I left Mandrake for SuSE ( and later Ubuntu ) in the first place : RPM Hell .
Mandrake is only slightly better than SuSE ( and moreso than Fedora ) at this , but I do n't want to fight with my package manager because of bizarre internal consistency issues that prevent upgrading packages , or adding third-party software .
I 've never had this problem on Ubuntu or Debian or Elive or any other .deb-based distribution , but on RPM-based distributions , this eventual inability to upgrade/install certain packages because of bizarre consistency issues has arisen , much like issues with the Windows Registry , only worse , because it prevents you from actually doing what you need to , rather than just slow you down a bit.Ubuntu also has a method of installing patent-encumbered software , and it 's built-in , not an external repository : sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extrasEven if you do n't do that , any time you try to play an MP3 or WMV , etc , it will ask you if you want to download and install the codec required , on the spot , just warning you that it 's patent-encumbered .
How is that not * better * than your solution in Mandriva ? Did Ubuntu 9.10 have hiccups ?
Yes , it did .
One of my systems was bitten by a hiccup where a customized /etc/fstab ( automounting a remote filesystem on startup ) caused the system to sit and wait at boot for the remote filesystem before it had enabled networking support.But that 's the price you pay when you go outside the norms and do something unexpected -- none of my " normal " systems ( including a MythTV box , a laptop with GNOME , KDE , XFCE , and Enlightenment , and two desktops ) had any hiccups , only one acting as a server that mounted disparate Windows and Linux shared directories at startup and then merged the various video directories together with the FUSE-based funionfs had any issues -- because how many people in the world actually did such a thing as that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, you're saying that there is no advantage over Ubuntu?A full GUI root account is a terrible idea, as everything you run then has full root access and EVERY ONE OF THOSE PROGRAMS can now be a vector for infection.
Especially your web browser, IM client, anything that suddenly, unexpectedly has root access and communicates with the outside world.
All of those security flaws that developers make a lower priority because the user permissions prevent from actually functioning no longer apply.The "supports more file system choices" nonsense is just nonsense, since the "wubi" installer for Ubuntu allows Ubuntu to run off of a FAT32 or NTFS partition, which Mandriva can't do, and all other filesystems available are those that the Linux kernel provides, which are the same for Ubuntu and Mandriva.I've had systems a few years ago that couldn't run Mandriva and Ubuntu ran on just fine (haven't tried Mandriva in a while), so your anecdote about hardware support is bunk.Oh, and the reason why I left Mandrake for SuSE (and later Ubuntu) in the first place: RPM Hell.
Mandrake is only slightly better than SuSE (and moreso than Fedora) at this, but I don't want to fight with my package manager because of bizarre internal consistency issues that prevent upgrading packages, or adding third-party software.
I've never had this problem on Ubuntu or Debian or Elive or any other .deb-based distribution, but on RPM-based distributions, this eventual inability to upgrade/install certain packages because of bizarre consistency issues has arisen, much like issues with the Windows Registry, only worse, because it prevents you from actually doing what you need to, rather than just slow you down a bit.Ubuntu also has a method of installing patent-encumbered software, and it's built-in, not an external repository:sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extrasEven if you don't do that, any time you try to play an MP3 or WMV, etc, it will ask you if you want to download and install the codec required, on the spot, just warning you that it's patent-encumbered.
How is that not *better* than your solution in Mandriva?Did Ubuntu 9.10 have hiccups?
Yes, it did.
One of my systems was bitten by a hiccup where a customized /etc/fstab (automounting a remote filesystem on startup) caused the system to sit and wait at boot for the remote filesystem before it had enabled networking support.But that's the price you pay when you go outside the norms and do something unexpected -- none of my "normal" systems (including a MythTV box, a laptop with GNOME, KDE, XFCE, and Enlightenment, and two desktops) had any hiccups, only one acting as a server that mounted disparate Windows and Linux shared directories at startup and then merged the various video directories together with the FUSE-based funionfs had any issues -- because how many people in the world actually did such a thing as that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993510</id>
	<title>Why is there never any stories...</title>
	<author>arndawg</author>
	<datestamp>1257429000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>about new gentoo releases?

Someone should post a story everytime they emerge --sync &amp;&amp; emerge world</htmltext>
<tokenext>about new gentoo releases ?
Someone should post a story everytime they emerge --sync &amp;&amp; emerge world</tokentext>
<sentencetext>about new gentoo releases?
Someone should post a story everytime they emerge --sync &amp;&amp; emerge world</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.30026706</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>DaVince21</author>
	<datestamp>1257685440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not in my experience... Everything takes longer to run and applications crash a bit more frequently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not in my experience... Everything takes longer to run and applications crash a bit more frequently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not in my experience... Everything takes longer to run and applications crash a bit more frequently.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992082</id>
	<title>Re:Whichever moron tagged this as "irrelevant"...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257412080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mandriva is still the best desktop linux distro out there. Ubuntu is made of fail because it loves Gnomes.</p></div><p>The Ubuntu using moderators are really stretching, here.  How exactly is this Offtopic?</p><p>Canonical are the collective village idiot of the entire FOSS community.  Whichever members of the Lloyd Christmas demographic who use it and get mod points here, can mod it down as much as they want.  They won't change the fact, and the fact is this:-</p><p>Ubuntu and Debian are both unmitigated garbage.  I just installed Arch this morning.  The install took three hours, and had none of the problems which I had constantly for six weeks with Ubuntu Intrepid.</p><p>Sound?  Just works, with ALSA.  Considering how bad my experience was with Intrepid, I was amazed.</p><p>Video?  Nvidia drivers; just worked.</p><p>X?  I could install whichever window manager I wanted at the outset, which means I wasn't left with struggling to either live with or somehow uninstall the rancid fecal matter that is GNOME.</p><p>No kernel panics.  No flickering.  No sound dropping out.  It just works.</p><p>Mandriva was a good distro too, last time I used it.</p><p>I'm fed up with Ubuntu users.  If it was just your obscenity of a distribution that was a problem, I could cope with simply not using it.  That isn't my biggest issue, however.</p><p>You insist on lying and engaging in denial about everything that is wrong with it, and suppressing complaint about said problems in any way you can.  I know how this post is immediately headed for -1, and the reason given doesn't matter at all, does it?</p><p>Go ahead; do it.  Bury what I'm saying here, and what <b> <i>EVERY</i> </b>ONE else, other than you, is saying about Shuttleworth's miscarriage of a distribution.  Ubuntu is falling apart.  Karmic was supposed to be a fix for Jaunty, and now it's giving everyone hell to the same degree.</p><p>You can't bury the truth.  You can either keep burying your heads in the sand until Canonical go under, and Mark Shuttleworth ends up potentially worth nothing more than the shirt on his back, or you can actually start trying to change things.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Mandriva is still the best desktop linux distro out there .
Ubuntu is made of fail because it loves Gnomes.The Ubuntu using moderators are really stretching , here .
How exactly is this Offtopic ? Canonical are the collective village idiot of the entire FOSS community .
Whichever members of the Lloyd Christmas demographic who use it and get mod points here , can mod it down as much as they want .
They wo n't change the fact , and the fact is this : -Ubuntu and Debian are both unmitigated garbage .
I just installed Arch this morning .
The install took three hours , and had none of the problems which I had constantly for six weeks with Ubuntu Intrepid.Sound ?
Just works , with ALSA .
Considering how bad my experience was with Intrepid , I was amazed.Video ?
Nvidia drivers ; just worked.X ?
I could install whichever window manager I wanted at the outset , which means I was n't left with struggling to either live with or somehow uninstall the rancid fecal matter that is GNOME.No kernel panics .
No flickering .
No sound dropping out .
It just works.Mandriva was a good distro too , last time I used it.I 'm fed up with Ubuntu users .
If it was just your obscenity of a distribution that was a problem , I could cope with simply not using it .
That is n't my biggest issue , however.You insist on lying and engaging in denial about everything that is wrong with it , and suppressing complaint about said problems in any way you can .
I know how this post is immediately headed for -1 , and the reason given does n't matter at all , does it ? Go ahead ; do it .
Bury what I 'm saying here , and what EVERY ONE else , other than you , is saying about Shuttleworth 's miscarriage of a distribution .
Ubuntu is falling apart .
Karmic was supposed to be a fix for Jaunty , and now it 's giving everyone hell to the same degree.You ca n't bury the truth .
You can either keep burying your heads in the sand until Canonical go under , and Mark Shuttleworth ends up potentially worth nothing more than the shirt on his back , or you can actually start trying to change things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva is still the best desktop linux distro out there.
Ubuntu is made of fail because it loves Gnomes.The Ubuntu using moderators are really stretching, here.
How exactly is this Offtopic?Canonical are the collective village idiot of the entire FOSS community.
Whichever members of the Lloyd Christmas demographic who use it and get mod points here, can mod it down as much as they want.
They won't change the fact, and the fact is this:-Ubuntu and Debian are both unmitigated garbage.
I just installed Arch this morning.
The install took three hours, and had none of the problems which I had constantly for six weeks with Ubuntu Intrepid.Sound?
Just works, with ALSA.
Considering how bad my experience was with Intrepid, I was amazed.Video?
Nvidia drivers; just worked.X?
I could install whichever window manager I wanted at the outset, which means I wasn't left with struggling to either live with or somehow uninstall the rancid fecal matter that is GNOME.No kernel panics.
No flickering.
No sound dropping out.
It just works.Mandriva was a good distro too, last time I used it.I'm fed up with Ubuntu users.
If it was just your obscenity of a distribution that was a problem, I could cope with simply not using it.
That isn't my biggest issue, however.You insist on lying and engaging in denial about everything that is wrong with it, and suppressing complaint about said problems in any way you can.
I know how this post is immediately headed for -1, and the reason given doesn't matter at all, does it?Go ahead; do it.
Bury what I'm saying here, and what  EVERY ONE else, other than you, is saying about Shuttleworth's miscarriage of a distribution.
Ubuntu is falling apart.
Karmic was supposed to be a fix for Jaunty, and now it's giving everyone hell to the same degree.You can't bury the truth.
You can either keep burying your heads in the sand until Canonical go under, and Mark Shuttleworth ends up potentially worth nothing more than the shirt on his back, or you can actually start trying to change things.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992014</id>
	<title>Re:-Finally- out?</title>
	<author>kahless62003</author>
	<datestamp>1257454440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well you could wait six months for the service pack- ahem I mean spring version.</p><p>FWIW I've used Mandriva since 2005, and consider it a pretty solid distro, with many newbie friendly features as well as not dumbing things down or limiting the more advanced user too much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well you could wait six months for the service pack- ahem I mean spring version.FWIW I 've used Mandriva since 2005 , and consider it a pretty solid distro , with many newbie friendly features as well as not dumbing things down or limiting the more advanced user too much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well you could wait six months for the service pack- ahem I mean spring version.FWIW I've used Mandriva since 2005, and consider it a pretty solid distro, with many newbie friendly features as well as not dumbing things down or limiting the more advanced user too much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991866</id>
	<title>It's a good distro and keeps making progress</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257452340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using Mandriva for many years and like it as well.  Originally I picked it because it had the best mix of stable, secure servers out of the box and installed postfix by default back when Sendmail was buggy.  Decent firewall, tons of packages, xinetd is easy to configure.  Bugs actually get fixed.  I'm not a fan of the way KDE is going--it's a reasource hog on a low end system and it's too easy to fuck up your desktop and not be able to restore it with all those plasmids or panels or whatever, but their Gnome setup has gotten a lot of love in the past couple of releases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using Mandriva for many years and like it as well .
Originally I picked it because it had the best mix of stable , secure servers out of the box and installed postfix by default back when Sendmail was buggy .
Decent firewall , tons of packages , xinetd is easy to configure .
Bugs actually get fixed .
I 'm not a fan of the way KDE is going--it 's a reasource hog on a low end system and it 's too easy to fuck up your desktop and not be able to restore it with all those plasmids or panels or whatever , but their Gnome setup has gotten a lot of love in the past couple of releases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using Mandriva for many years and like it as well.
Originally I picked it because it had the best mix of stable, secure servers out of the box and installed postfix by default back when Sendmail was buggy.
Decent firewall, tons of packages, xinetd is easy to configure.
Bugs actually get fixed.
I'm not a fan of the way KDE is going--it's a reasource hog on a low end system and it's too easy to fuck up your desktop and not be able to restore it with all those plasmids or panels or whatever, but their Gnome setup has gotten a lot of love in the past couple of releases.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991656</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257017820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mandriva doesn't cost 60 Euro, so please stop the FUD. You can get Mandriva running perfectly fine by using "Mandriva Free 2010", and they have community repos for mp3 etc just like Debian has "debian-multimedia" and Opensuse has packman.</p><p>"Ubuntu is an modern day white trash word that means 'I can't fucking read'".</p><p>\suseuser</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva does n't cost 60 Euro , so please stop the FUD .
You can get Mandriva running perfectly fine by using " Mandriva Free 2010 " , and they have community repos for mp3 etc just like Debian has " debian-multimedia " and Opensuse has packman .
" Ubuntu is an modern day white trash word that means 'I ca n't fucking read ' " . \ suseuser</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva doesn't cost 60 Euro, so please stop the FUD.
You can get Mandriva running perfectly fine by using "Mandriva Free 2010", and they have community repos for mp3 etc just like Debian has "debian-multimedia" and Opensuse has packman.
"Ubuntu is an modern day white trash word that means 'I can't fucking read'".\suseuser</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991956</id>
	<title>Re:I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257453420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I guess I am asking, why is it that such a good, arguably superior, distro seems to have to pull teeth just to get a few scraps of publicity, while some others seem to be living in some sort of reality distortion field?</p></div><p>Critical mass, branding, marketing.  <br> <br>

Anyway, I love linux and use it heavily on all our production servers, clusters, etc, and have done so for over 10 years.<br> <br>

However, linux (all distros) still sucks on the desktop, and I think it always will.  Printing is unreliable, windows/forms behaviour is inconsistent (default buttons, tab behaviour, etc), the GUI (gnome/kde) is slow unless you have decent hardware, the fonts are terrible, copy/paste between apps is a joke, audio is unreliable (how about having a single driver that works consistently?), etc, etc.  Yes, there are workarounds, and yes things are slowly improving, but for fuck sakes, how many more years is it going to take?  Surely you cannot expect an average computer user to struggle with this kind of sub-standard nonsense?  For the time being, I wish aficionados would stop pretending that Linux-on-the-desktop is ready for prime-time.<br> <br>

The desktop people have had <b>years</b> to sort this basic stuff out, yet their focus is on more features, more flash, prettier colours, more screensavers, as opposed to fixing things (and as much as commercial software sucks in other ways, at least they fix the basic shit  -- here the linux <i>kernel</i> and decent server-distro (RH, CentOS, Suse) shines btw, those boys FIX things).  Linux on the desktop has such potential, yet they just can't seem to get it right (and Redmond folk are pooping their pants laughing).<br> <br>

Not all distros suck at all of those mentioned, but every one lacks in some way.  Sadly, I don't think it will ever be a real quality desktop experience since the developers don't have a financial interest to ensure quality and are not held accountable for their failings, so QA is severely lacking.<br> <br>

If you want to save money and can live with the shortcomings, then by all means use linux on the desktop, otherwise use windows or get a mac.  This is my advice to all those folks I deal with on a daily basis and I've yet to be proven wrong (have you tried explaining to a busy professional why printing is not working (or why a print job has to be RE-authorised again and again because Ubuntu is not remembering the password/tick-mark), or why flash is not working in Firefox, or why the sound is crackling (and changing the audio driver back/forth magically solves it), or why the default PDF viewer is Xpdf (which makes me laugh and spill my coffee with it's antiquated X 1990s interface) -- these people don't want to struggle with the basic shit, they want to focus on their job.<br> <br>

I <i>want</i> to believe, but the reality is disappointing.<br> <br>

Yes, all this has been said before, but I believe the more it's said and in more forums, the sooner they'll take notice and do what needs to be done.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I am asking , why is it that such a good , arguably superior , distro seems to have to pull teeth just to get a few scraps of publicity , while some others seem to be living in some sort of reality distortion field ? Critical mass , branding , marketing .
Anyway , I love linux and use it heavily on all our production servers , clusters , etc , and have done so for over 10 years .
However , linux ( all distros ) still sucks on the desktop , and I think it always will .
Printing is unreliable , windows/forms behaviour is inconsistent ( default buttons , tab behaviour , etc ) , the GUI ( gnome/kde ) is slow unless you have decent hardware , the fonts are terrible , copy/paste between apps is a joke , audio is unreliable ( how about having a single driver that works consistently ?
) , etc , etc .
Yes , there are workarounds , and yes things are slowly improving , but for fuck sakes , how many more years is it going to take ?
Surely you can not expect an average computer user to struggle with this kind of sub-standard nonsense ?
For the time being , I wish aficionados would stop pretending that Linux-on-the-desktop is ready for prime-time .
The desktop people have had years to sort this basic stuff out , yet their focus is on more features , more flash , prettier colours , more screensavers , as opposed to fixing things ( and as much as commercial software sucks in other ways , at least they fix the basic shit -- here the linux kernel and decent server-distro ( RH , CentOS , Suse ) shines btw , those boys FIX things ) .
Linux on the desktop has such potential , yet they just ca n't seem to get it right ( and Redmond folk are pooping their pants laughing ) .
Not all distros suck at all of those mentioned , but every one lacks in some way .
Sadly , I do n't think it will ever be a real quality desktop experience since the developers do n't have a financial interest to ensure quality and are not held accountable for their failings , so QA is severely lacking .
If you want to save money and can live with the shortcomings , then by all means use linux on the desktop , otherwise use windows or get a mac .
This is my advice to all those folks I deal with on a daily basis and I 've yet to be proven wrong ( have you tried explaining to a busy professional why printing is not working ( or why a print job has to be RE-authorised again and again because Ubuntu is not remembering the password/tick-mark ) , or why flash is not working in Firefox , or why the sound is crackling ( and changing the audio driver back/forth magically solves it ) , or why the default PDF viewer is Xpdf ( which makes me laugh and spill my coffee with it 's antiquated X 1990s interface ) -- these people do n't want to struggle with the basic shit , they want to focus on their job .
I want to believe , but the reality is disappointing .
Yes , all this has been said before , but I believe the more it 's said and in more forums , the sooner they 'll take notice and do what needs to be done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I am asking, why is it that such a good, arguably superior, distro seems to have to pull teeth just to get a few scraps of publicity, while some others seem to be living in some sort of reality distortion field?Critical mass, branding, marketing.
Anyway, I love linux and use it heavily on all our production servers, clusters, etc, and have done so for over 10 years.
However, linux (all distros) still sucks on the desktop, and I think it always will.
Printing is unreliable, windows/forms behaviour is inconsistent (default buttons, tab behaviour, etc), the GUI (gnome/kde) is slow unless you have decent hardware, the fonts are terrible, copy/paste between apps is a joke, audio is unreliable (how about having a single driver that works consistently?
), etc, etc.
Yes, there are workarounds, and yes things are slowly improving, but for fuck sakes, how many more years is it going to take?
Surely you cannot expect an average computer user to struggle with this kind of sub-standard nonsense?
For the time being, I wish aficionados would stop pretending that Linux-on-the-desktop is ready for prime-time.
The desktop people have had years to sort this basic stuff out, yet their focus is on more features, more flash, prettier colours, more screensavers, as opposed to fixing things (and as much as commercial software sucks in other ways, at least they fix the basic shit  -- here the linux kernel and decent server-distro (RH, CentOS, Suse) shines btw, those boys FIX things).
Linux on the desktop has such potential, yet they just can't seem to get it right (and Redmond folk are pooping their pants laughing).
Not all distros suck at all of those mentioned, but every one lacks in some way.
Sadly, I don't think it will ever be a real quality desktop experience since the developers don't have a financial interest to ensure quality and are not held accountable for their failings, so QA is severely lacking.
If you want to save money and can live with the shortcomings, then by all means use linux on the desktop, otherwise use windows or get a mac.
This is my advice to all those folks I deal with on a daily basis and I've yet to be proven wrong (have you tried explaining to a busy professional why printing is not working (or why a print job has to be RE-authorised again and again because Ubuntu is not remembering the password/tick-mark), or why flash is not working in Firefox, or why the sound is crackling (and changing the audio driver back/forth magically solves it), or why the default PDF viewer is Xpdf (which makes me laugh and spill my coffee with it's antiquated X 1990s interface) -- these people don't want to struggle with the basic shit, they want to focus on their job.
I want to believe, but the reality is disappointing.
Yes, all this has been said before, but I believe the more it's said and in more forums, the sooner they'll take notice and do what needs to be done.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993358</id>
	<title>anyone installed it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257427380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>from the posts, I can't find anyone who actually installed it.  So how is it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>from the posts , I ca n't find anyone who actually installed it .
So how is it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from the posts, I can't find anyone who actually installed it.
So how is it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991632</id>
	<title>-Finally- out?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257017700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It isn't even 2010 yet!</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is n't even 2010 yet !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It isn't even 2010 yet!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.30003876</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>uninformedLuddite</author>
	<datestamp>1257501720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That root account business in Ubuntu is so dumb. i am amazed they are still doing it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That root account business in Ubuntu is so dumb .
i am amazed they are still doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That root account business in Ubuntu is so dumb.
i am amazed they are still doing it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994528</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>John Jamieson</author>
	<datestamp>1257435060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mandriva is a much better distro for the "Linux newcomer" IMHO.  The install is nicer, the configuration ("Drake") tools are nicer.<br>Ubuntu is a larger more community based distro, that is its strength.</p><p>I like Ubuntu, but Mandriva is much faster at rooting out bugs in my experience.  (I use Ubuntu Studio, and it has been years since I have had a RT kernel that worked.  Can you imagine a kernel that will lock any AMD computer if the network is used... welcome to Ubuntu Studio.  And they marked that bug "minor".  lol )</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva is a much better distro for the " Linux newcomer " IMHO .
The install is nicer , the configuration ( " Drake " ) tools are nicer.Ubuntu is a larger more community based distro , that is its strength.I like Ubuntu , but Mandriva is much faster at rooting out bugs in my experience .
( I use Ubuntu Studio , and it has been years since I have had a RT kernel that worked .
Can you imagine a kernel that will lock any AMD computer if the network is used... welcome to Ubuntu Studio .
And they marked that bug " minor " .
lol )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva is a much better distro for the "Linux newcomer" IMHO.
The install is nicer, the configuration ("Drake") tools are nicer.Ubuntu is a larger more community based distro, that is its strength.I like Ubuntu, but Mandriva is much faster at rooting out bugs in my experience.
(I use Ubuntu Studio, and it has been years since I have had a RT kernel that worked.
Can you imagine a kernel that will lock any AMD computer if the network is used... welcome to Ubuntu Studio.
And they marked that bug "minor".
lol )</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991744</id>
	<title>Re:I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>genericpoweruser</author>
	<datestamp>1257018660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mandriva deserves some love. It was the first distro that enabled the correct graphics driver on my laptop (on most distros I'd have to manually change xorg.conf to use vesa--even though this was around summer last year) and configure my wifi card correctly straight from the liveCD. No distro I've tried to date properly configures my audio chipset, but the workaround works as well on Mandriva as it does on any other.</p><p>In other words, Mandriva has the best hardware detection of any distro I've tried. My congratulations to the developers on their new release!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva deserves some love .
It was the first distro that enabled the correct graphics driver on my laptop ( on most distros I 'd have to manually change xorg.conf to use vesa--even though this was around summer last year ) and configure my wifi card correctly straight from the liveCD .
No distro I 've tried to date properly configures my audio chipset , but the workaround works as well on Mandriva as it does on any other.In other words , Mandriva has the best hardware detection of any distro I 've tried .
My congratulations to the developers on their new release !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva deserves some love.
It was the first distro that enabled the correct graphics driver on my laptop (on most distros I'd have to manually change xorg.conf to use vesa--even though this was around summer last year) and configure my wifi card correctly straight from the liveCD.
No distro I've tried to date properly configures my audio chipset, but the workaround works as well on Mandriva as it does on any other.In other words, Mandriva has the best hardware detection of any distro I've tried.
My congratulations to the developers on their new release!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994196</id>
	<title>Re:Whichever moron tagged this as "irrelevant"...</title>
	<author>Darundal</author>
	<datestamp>1257433200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, a bunch of users/developers who happen to like where the OS is, because where it is happens to suit their wants/needs. How fucking deluded of them. Good thing you are out there, because surely your preferences/needs are the only ones that matter when determining something is junk.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , a bunch of users/developers who happen to like where the OS is , because where it is happens to suit their wants/needs .
How fucking deluded of them .
Good thing you are out there , because surely your preferences/needs are the only ones that matter when determining something is junk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, a bunch of users/developers who happen to like where the OS is, because where it is happens to suit their wants/needs.
How fucking deluded of them.
Good thing you are out there, because surely your preferences/needs are the only ones that matter when determining something is junk.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29996428</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>jdeisenberg</author>
	<datestamp>1257444360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I download the Free version for installation on the 30 computers in the Linux lab at the college where I work; I buy PowerPack as a way of supporting Mandriva.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I download the Free version for installation on the 30 computers in the Linux lab at the college where I work ; I buy PowerPack as a way of supporting Mandriva .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I download the Free version for installation on the 30 computers in the Linux lab at the college where I work; I buy PowerPack as a way of supporting Mandriva.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29995026</id>
	<title>Re:The sad fortune of distributions...</title>
	<author>ReinoutS</author>
	<datestamp>1257437580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>FWIW, Mandriva is still selling their <a href="http://www2.mandriva.com/linux/server/" title="mandriva.com">Enterprise Server</a> [mandriva.com] product.</htmltext>
<tokenext>FWIW , Mandriva is still selling their Enterprise Server [ mandriva.com ] product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FWIW, Mandriva is still selling their Enterprise Server [mandriva.com] product.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991698</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>onefriedrice</author>
	<datestamp>1257018180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...considering Mandrivia costs 60 euros and has a MUCH smaller userbase than Ubuntu, which is free and is the de facto desktop distro winner. Shouldn't a linux newcomer just adopt the most supported distro aka Ubuntu?</p></div><p>Mandriva is free, too.  Otherwise, you <i>may</i> be right.  Ubuntu <i>may</i> be a better distro for a "Linux newcomer".  On the other hand, getting support for other distros is not wildly different or inherently worse than getting support for Ubuntu.  I hope you realize that Ubuntu might not be everybody's cup of tea, and not everybody is new to Linux.  While Ubuntu may be the most popular choice for Linux on the desktop, it is by no means the only practical or best choice for everyone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...considering Mandrivia costs 60 euros and has a MUCH smaller userbase than Ubuntu , which is free and is the de facto desktop distro winner .
Should n't a linux newcomer just adopt the most supported distro aka Ubuntu ? Mandriva is free , too .
Otherwise , you may be right .
Ubuntu may be a better distro for a " Linux newcomer " .
On the other hand , getting support for other distros is not wildly different or inherently worse than getting support for Ubuntu .
I hope you realize that Ubuntu might not be everybody 's cup of tea , and not everybody is new to Linux .
While Ubuntu may be the most popular choice for Linux on the desktop , it is by no means the only practical or best choice for everyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...considering Mandrivia costs 60 euros and has a MUCH smaller userbase than Ubuntu, which is free and is the de facto desktop distro winner.
Shouldn't a linux newcomer just adopt the most supported distro aka Ubuntu?Mandriva is free, too.
Otherwise, you may be right.
Ubuntu may be a better distro for a "Linux newcomer".
On the other hand, getting support for other distros is not wildly different or inherently worse than getting support for Ubuntu.
I hope you realize that Ubuntu might not be everybody's cup of tea, and not everybody is new to Linux.
While Ubuntu may be the most popular choice for Linux on the desktop, it is by no means the only practical or best choice for everyone.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991916</id>
	<title>Re:I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>greatica</author>
	<datestamp>1257452880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've used Mandrake/Mandriva a couple of times too.  Ironically enough a number of computer science peers jeered at it, calling it "n00b Linux".</p><p>You know, because we should all embrace distributions that are a pain to get working properly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used Mandrake/Mandriva a couple of times too .
Ironically enough a number of computer science peers jeered at it , calling it " n00b Linux " .You know , because we should all embrace distributions that are a pain to get working properly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used Mandrake/Mandriva a couple of times too.
Ironically enough a number of computer science peers jeered at it, calling it "n00b Linux".You know, because we should all embrace distributions that are a pain to get working properly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994556</id>
	<title>Re:I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>Cro Magnon</author>
	<datestamp>1257435240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've tried Mandrake in the past, and frankly, it used to suck.  Every version had something that didn't quite work.  I found RedHat to be much more stable &amp; reliable.  I've heard they've improved, but I see no reason to switch to them from Ubuntu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've tried Mandrake in the past , and frankly , it used to suck .
Every version had something that did n't quite work .
I found RedHat to be much more stable &amp; reliable .
I 've heard they 've improved , but I see no reason to switch to them from Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've tried Mandrake in the past, and frankly, it used to suck.
Every version had something that didn't quite work.
I found RedHat to be much more stable &amp; reliable.
I've heard they've improved, but I see no reason to switch to them from Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993312</id>
	<title>Re:Whichever moron tagged this as "irrelevant"...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257426900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ubuntu is the new Windows</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu is the new Windows</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu is the new Windows</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992390</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>GeorgeS</author>
	<datestamp>1257416100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sounds very much like my own experiences with Linux.I had a friend/co-worker help me setup a Debian system many years ago but, I never quite "got" Debian and it was very frustrating for me. I continued to run the Debian system for several years and I even tried out Corel Linux with similar results but, after reading about Mandrake(the name back then) I figured it couldn't be any worse so I gave that a try and WOW...all my hardware magically started working and it wasn't too hard for me to setup the system and use it.<br>Now several years later I use Debian on my servers and I'm learning to use the KDE that comes with Debian but, I mostly just the shell/Xterm/CLI on those systems.<br>This is great timing too because my wife just mentioned earlier tonight that she'd like to try out a Linux system on an old laptop we have here and I have a pretty good idea which Distro we are going to try first<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds very much like my own experiences with Linux.I had a friend/co-worker help me setup a Debian system many years ago but , I never quite " got " Debian and it was very frustrating for me .
I continued to run the Debian system for several years and I even tried out Corel Linux with similar results but , after reading about Mandrake ( the name back then ) I figured it could n't be any worse so I gave that a try and WOW...all my hardware magically started working and it was n't too hard for me to setup the system and use it.Now several years later I use Debian on my servers and I 'm learning to use the KDE that comes with Debian but , I mostly just the shell/Xterm/CLI on those systems.This is great timing too because my wife just mentioned earlier tonight that she 'd like to try out a Linux system on an old laptop we have here and I have a pretty good idea which Distro we are going to try first : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds very much like my own experiences with Linux.I had a friend/co-worker help me setup a Debian system many years ago but, I never quite "got" Debian and it was very frustrating for me.
I continued to run the Debian system for several years and I even tried out Corel Linux with similar results but, after reading about Mandrake(the name back then) I figured it couldn't be any worse so I gave that a try and WOW...all my hardware magically started working and it wasn't too hard for me to setup the system and use it.Now several years later I use Debian on my servers and I'm learning to use the KDE that comes with Debian but, I mostly just the shell/Xterm/CLI on those systems.This is great timing too because my wife just mentioned earlier tonight that she'd like to try out a Linux system on an old laptop we have here and I have a pretty good idea which Distro we are going to try first :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992072</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257412020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Quality free distributions" - are you trolling? Mandriva <b>is</b> free. Yes, they have a commercial edition (powerpack) that comes with some proprietary software, but they offeer completely free editions (Mandriva One, Mandriva Free) that are just like any other free editions. And about quality - Mandriva 2009 spring received glowing review, and having used it for a few months, I can confirm - it's probably one of the finest distribution, especially if you look at their KDE implementation. Which reminds me - since when can you mention quality and ubuntu together when it comes to KDE?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Quality free distributions " - are you trolling ?
Mandriva is free .
Yes , they have a commercial edition ( powerpack ) that comes with some proprietary software , but they offeer completely free editions ( Mandriva One , Mandriva Free ) that are just like any other free editions .
And about quality - Mandriva 2009 spring received glowing review , and having used it for a few months , I can confirm - it 's probably one of the finest distribution , especially if you look at their KDE implementation .
Which reminds me - since when can you mention quality and ubuntu together when it comes to KDE ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Quality free distributions" - are you trolling?
Mandriva is free.
Yes, they have a commercial edition (powerpack) that comes with some proprietary software, but they offeer completely free editions (Mandriva One, Mandriva Free) that are just like any other free editions.
And about quality - Mandriva 2009 spring received glowing review, and having used it for a few months, I can confirm - it's probably one of the finest distribution, especially if you look at their KDE implementation.
Which reminds me - since when can you mention quality and ubuntu together when it comes to KDE?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29997264</id>
	<title>You are correct about the inconsistency</title>
	<author>sconeu</author>
	<datestamp>1257448380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The x.1 (8.1, 9.1, and 10.1) releases seemed to be the most polished. x.0 was OK, with some weirdness, and the x.2 releases always seemed to be crap and broken.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The x.1 ( 8.1 , 9.1 , and 10.1 ) releases seemed to be the most polished .
x.0 was OK , with some weirdness , and the x.2 releases always seemed to be crap and broken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The x.1 (8.1, 9.1, and 10.1) releases seemed to be the most polished.
x.0 was OK, with some weirdness, and the x.2 releases always seemed to be crap and broken.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993798</id>
	<title>Re:Whichever moron tagged this as "irrelevant"...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257431160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm fed up with Ubuntu users. If it was just your obscenity of a distribution that was a problem, I could cope with simply not using it. That isn't my biggest issue, however.

You insist on lying and engaging in denial about everything that is wrong with it, and suppressing complaint about said problems in any way you can. I know how this post is immediately headed for -1, and the reason given doesn't matter at all, does it?</p></div><p>Well fucking said! <i>*applauds*</i> Ubuntu users are the Scientologists of the OSS world.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm fed up with Ubuntu users .
If it was just your obscenity of a distribution that was a problem , I could cope with simply not using it .
That is n't my biggest issue , however .
You insist on lying and engaging in denial about everything that is wrong with it , and suppressing complaint about said problems in any way you can .
I know how this post is immediately headed for -1 , and the reason given does n't matter at all , does it ? Well fucking said !
* applauds * Ubuntu users are the Scientologists of the OSS world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm fed up with Ubuntu users.
If it was just your obscenity of a distribution that was a problem, I could cope with simply not using it.
That isn't my biggest issue, however.
You insist on lying and engaging in denial about everything that is wrong with it, and suppressing complaint about said problems in any way you can.
I know how this post is immediately headed for -1, and the reason given doesn't matter at all, does it?Well fucking said!
*applauds* Ubuntu users are the Scientologists of the OSS world.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29995768</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>AvitarX</author>
	<datestamp>1257441300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They lost be when I spent $180 (3 years bronze membership to Club Mandrake or whatever it was) with them, and they decided that x86-64 was only for people paying more.</p><p>After 3 months of waiting for the possible release to bronze members I canceled, and started using a different distro (Debian).</p><p>As someone paying significant money for what amounted to being better download access (private torrent), and forum access, it was annoying.</p><p>I think those types of things really hurt them in the end, Ubuntu (a distro with the same goals) is a platform for developing custom distros to a point (e.g. ubuntu studio), while Mandrake essentially disappeared in the US.  It is really hard to try and walk the line between open and private while competing with really open, a list of defunct commercial distros shows that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They lost be when I spent $ 180 ( 3 years bronze membership to Club Mandrake or whatever it was ) with them , and they decided that x86-64 was only for people paying more.After 3 months of waiting for the possible release to bronze members I canceled , and started using a different distro ( Debian ) .As someone paying significant money for what amounted to being better download access ( private torrent ) , and forum access , it was annoying.I think those types of things really hurt them in the end , Ubuntu ( a distro with the same goals ) is a platform for developing custom distros to a point ( e.g .
ubuntu studio ) , while Mandrake essentially disappeared in the US .
It is really hard to try and walk the line between open and private while competing with really open , a list of defunct commercial distros shows that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They lost be when I spent $180 (3 years bronze membership to Club Mandrake or whatever it was) with them, and they decided that x86-64 was only for people paying more.After 3 months of waiting for the possible release to bronze members I canceled, and started using a different distro (Debian).As someone paying significant money for what amounted to being better download access (private torrent), and forum access, it was annoying.I think those types of things really hurt them in the end, Ubuntu (a distro with the same goals) is a platform for developing custom distros to a point (e.g.
ubuntu studio), while Mandrake essentially disappeared in the US.
It is really hard to try and walk the line between open and private while competing with really open, a list of defunct commercial distros shows that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991930</id>
	<title>golf can be sexy</title>
	<author>shelly.green</author>
	<datestamp>1257453060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Kylie Minogue say:"golf can be sexy"
more of that you can inference <a href="http://www.igolfyoo.com/" title="igolfyoo.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.igolfyoo.com/</a> [igolfyoo.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Kylie Minogue say : " golf can be sexy " more of that you can inference http : //www.igolfyoo.com/ [ igolfyoo.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kylie Minogue say:"golf can be sexy"
more of that you can inference http://www.igolfyoo.com/ [igolfyoo.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.30010804</id>
	<title>Arguments and Analogy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257507660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is HYSTERICAL! Its like a fight between owners of Toyota Corollas and owners of Honda Civics, with some input from Sentra owners and a couple of guys who built their own cars from scratch.</p><p>At least you're not driving a Ford Focus, folks!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is HYSTERICAL !
Its like a fight between owners of Toyota Corollas and owners of Honda Civics , with some input from Sentra owners and a couple of guys who built their own cars from scratch.At least you 're not driving a Ford Focus , folks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is HYSTERICAL!
Its like a fight between owners of Toyota Corollas and owners of Honda Civics, with some input from Sentra owners and a couple of guys who built their own cars from scratch.At least you're not driving a Ford Focus, folks!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994336</id>
	<title>Re:Whichever moron tagged this as "irrelevant"...</title>
	<author>tibman</author>
	<datestamp>1257434040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't used Mandrake in a long time but i liked it a lot around 2000.  But RPM hell drove me away from Redhat and Mandrake into the arms of Gentoo.  I've been there ever since.  People make fun of my lengthy install process.. but i still remember how painful those binary distro's were.</p><p>Doubt anyone is really interested in joining Gentoo these days though.  There are some really good and easy to maintain distros out there like Mandriva.  Unless you specifically want to build your OS from source, Ubuntu or Mandriva are probably the best.  IMO of course.. there is a ton of distros i never got around to trying.. slack, debian, suse, and many others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't used Mandrake in a long time but i liked it a lot around 2000 .
But RPM hell drove me away from Redhat and Mandrake into the arms of Gentoo .
I 've been there ever since .
People make fun of my lengthy install process.. but i still remember how painful those binary distro 's were.Doubt anyone is really interested in joining Gentoo these days though .
There are some really good and easy to maintain distros out there like Mandriva .
Unless you specifically want to build your OS from source , Ubuntu or Mandriva are probably the best .
IMO of course.. there is a ton of distros i never got around to trying.. slack , debian , suse , and many others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't used Mandrake in a long time but i liked it a lot around 2000.
But RPM hell drove me away from Redhat and Mandrake into the arms of Gentoo.
I've been there ever since.
People make fun of my lengthy install process.. but i still remember how painful those binary distro's were.Doubt anyone is really interested in joining Gentoo these days though.
There are some really good and easy to maintain distros out there like Mandriva.
Unless you specifically want to build your OS from source, Ubuntu or Mandriva are probably the best.
IMO of course.. there is a ton of distros i never got around to trying.. slack, debian, suse, and many others.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993774</id>
	<title>What's this Mandingo Linux you speak of?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257431040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And why should I use it instead of Ungabunga Linux?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And why should I use it instead of Ungabunga Linux ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And why should I use it instead of Ungabunga Linux?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29995234</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>dchamp</author>
	<datestamp>1257438600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's not true.</p><p>There is the One edition, which is a single CD, meant to be run as a live CD, or can be installed.</p><p>There is also the Free edition, which comes as a DVD, or as multiple CD's. It has to be installed to run it. It doesn't contain any proprietary drivers or software, but you can choose to install them - i.e. you will be prompted to install either the free nv driver, or proprietary nVidia driver.</p><p>The 3rd option is PowerPack, which you have to pay for, which contains proprietary drivers and software - i.e. a commercially licensed DVD player.</p><p>There are other commercial versions available for firewall, enterprise servers etc. Check it out yourself!</p><p><a href="http://blog.mandriva.com/2009/11/04/mandriva-linux-2010-is-out/" title="mandriva.com">http://blog.mandriva.com/2009/11/04/mandriva-linux-2010-is-out/</a> [mandriva.com]</p><p><a href="http://www2.mandriva.com/downloads/" title="mandriva.com">http://www2.mandriva.com/downloads/</a> [mandriva.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not true.There is the One edition , which is a single CD , meant to be run as a live CD , or can be installed.There is also the Free edition , which comes as a DVD , or as multiple CD 's .
It has to be installed to run it .
It does n't contain any proprietary drivers or software , but you can choose to install them - i.e .
you will be prompted to install either the free nv driver , or proprietary nVidia driver.The 3rd option is PowerPack , which you have to pay for , which contains proprietary drivers and software - i.e .
a commercially licensed DVD player.There are other commercial versions available for firewall , enterprise servers etc .
Check it out yourself ! http : //blog.mandriva.com/2009/11/04/mandriva-linux-2010-is-out/ [ mandriva.com ] http : //www2.mandriva.com/downloads/ [ mandriva.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not true.There is the One edition, which is a single CD, meant to be run as a live CD, or can be installed.There is also the Free edition, which comes as a DVD, or as multiple CD's.
It has to be installed to run it.
It doesn't contain any proprietary drivers or software, but you can choose to install them - i.e.
you will be prompted to install either the free nv driver, or proprietary nVidia driver.The 3rd option is PowerPack, which you have to pay for, which contains proprietary drivers and software - i.e.
a commercially licensed DVD player.There are other commercial versions available for firewall, enterprise servers etc.
Check it out yourself!http://blog.mandriva.com/2009/11/04/mandriva-linux-2010-is-out/ [mandriva.com]http://www2.mandriva.com/downloads/ [mandriva.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994848</id>
	<title>Re:Whichever moron tagged this as "irrelevant"...</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1257436620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or you could learn some statistics and see why an anecdote does not constitute universal data.</p><p>Face it, dear Troll, most people are using Ubuntu just fine just as most people are using Mandriva, Fedora and SuSE without problems. People with problematic hardware have long been a minority, and regardless of how angry you may be at being part of it, that won't make them a significant majority nor anyone who hasn't had a problem with it a "fanboy".</p><p>But don't worry, one day you'll grow up, get out of your momma's basement and be enlightened (in more ways than one) as you see the whole wide world open to you, filled with people who don't give a fuck about the problems you have with your computer. One day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you could learn some statistics and see why an anecdote does not constitute universal data.Face it , dear Troll , most people are using Ubuntu just fine just as most people are using Mandriva , Fedora and SuSE without problems .
People with problematic hardware have long been a minority , and regardless of how angry you may be at being part of it , that wo n't make them a significant majority nor anyone who has n't had a problem with it a " fanboy " .But do n't worry , one day you 'll grow up , get out of your momma 's basement and be enlightened ( in more ways than one ) as you see the whole wide world open to you , filled with people who do n't give a fuck about the problems you have with your computer .
One day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you could learn some statistics and see why an anecdote does not constitute universal data.Face it, dear Troll, most people are using Ubuntu just fine just as most people are using Mandriva, Fedora and SuSE without problems.
People with problematic hardware have long been a minority, and regardless of how angry you may be at being part of it, that won't make them a significant majority nor anyone who hasn't had a problem with it a "fanboy".But don't worry, one day you'll grow up, get out of your momma's basement and be enlightened (in more ways than one) as you see the whole wide world open to you, filled with people who don't give a fuck about the problems you have with your computer.
One day.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991620</id>
	<title>I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>TihSon</author>
	<datestamp>1257017580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been using Mandriva since the days of Mandrake<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... 8.1 specifically<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and frankly each time I have tried switching to any other distro I always find myself coming back. Not that the other distros are bad, but I honestly think Mandriva has the hardware detection down cold, and has been routinely better than any others. When the 'buntu showed up I tried switching, and every iteration had a deal breaker. I stopped trying at the LTS edition. Today the only other distro I use is Zenwalk, not some mainstream hotshot like Suse, fedora or Ubuntu.

</p><p>I guess I am asking, why is it that such a good, arguably superior, distro seems to have to pull teeth just to get a few scraps of publicity, while some others seem to be living in some sort of reality distortion field?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been using Mandriva since the days of Mandrake ... 8.1 specifically ... and frankly each time I have tried switching to any other distro I always find myself coming back .
Not that the other distros are bad , but I honestly think Mandriva has the hardware detection down cold , and has been routinely better than any others .
When the 'buntu showed up I tried switching , and every iteration had a deal breaker .
I stopped trying at the LTS edition .
Today the only other distro I use is Zenwalk , not some mainstream hotshot like Suse , fedora or Ubuntu .
I guess I am asking , why is it that such a good , arguably superior , distro seems to have to pull teeth just to get a few scraps of publicity , while some others seem to be living in some sort of reality distortion field ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been using Mandriva since the days of Mandrake ... 8.1 specifically ... and frankly each time I have tried switching to any other distro I always find myself coming back.
Not that the other distros are bad, but I honestly think Mandriva has the hardware detection down cold, and has been routinely better than any others.
When the 'buntu showed up I tried switching, and every iteration had a deal breaker.
I stopped trying at the LTS edition.
Today the only other distro I use is Zenwalk, not some mainstream hotshot like Suse, fedora or Ubuntu.
I guess I am asking, why is it that such a good, arguably superior, distro seems to have to pull teeth just to get a few scraps of publicity, while some others seem to be living in some sort of reality distortion field?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994194</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Stupendoussteve</author>
	<datestamp>1257433200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ubuntu's shine also takes quite a bit of bloat... it's always fun cleaning up after the fact.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu 's shine also takes quite a bit of bloat... it 's always fun cleaning up after the fact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu's shine also takes quite a bit of bloat... it's always fun cleaning up after the fact.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29995010</id>
	<title>Creative X-Fi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257437520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do any versions support the Creative Labs X-Fi sound cards?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do any versions support the Creative Labs X-Fi sound cards ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do any versions support the Creative Labs X-Fi sound cards?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992940</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>cheesybagel</author>
	<datestamp>1257422340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For me it was Slackware, Red Hat, Fedora, Ubuntu.
<p>
Fedora was actually quite similar to Ubuntu by the time I switched. The Debian like packaging system kinda grew on me and the GNOME desktop from Ubuntu was better than the one from Fedora at that time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For me it was Slackware , Red Hat , Fedora , Ubuntu .
Fedora was actually quite similar to Ubuntu by the time I switched .
The Debian like packaging system kinda grew on me and the GNOME desktop from Ubuntu was better than the one from Fedora at that time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me it was Slackware, Red Hat, Fedora, Ubuntu.
Fedora was actually quite similar to Ubuntu by the time I switched.
The Debian like packaging system kinda grew on me and the GNOME desktop from Ubuntu was better than the one from Fedora at that time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991846</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.30019560</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257621000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been a Windows user for years and I learned about Linux in college.  I was introduced to Linux Red Hat and the old Fedora.  That's what we used in class and I hated it, as a matter of fact I didn't understand the purpose of Linux back then. I hated learning commands and starting something from scratch but anyways I passed the class with a C and skipped the class every day.  I didn't learn crap.... anyways.... 5 years passed and I got bored of Windows.  Don't get me wrong, everything I install on Windows works and I have mastered it to a point where nothing crashes on me, my 7 computers have worked fine for me.  Anyhow, I decided to give Linux a try and I tried all of them, Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Mythubuntu, Debian, Suse, PclinuxOS, etc. etc. I tried all of them and the only one I really like is Mandriva.  As a matter of fact I formatted all my computers and I'm running a home network of 7 computers including some dinosaur laptops that I use as dedicated firewalls in my home network and I haven't looked back, Mandriva is all I use now.  Honestly I'm still a Linux N00b but Mandriva is good enough to convert any Windows power user into Linux, I converted all my friends into Mandriva users.</p><p>In my honest opinion Mandriva is the best Linux I have tried, I had 1 crash in a year of heavy use, installed tons of programs and tweaked it many times and zero crashes. The 2010 version is very stable, easy to use, fast and so powerful I use Dreamworks, Photoshop, games and some ram hungry graphic design programs and it still going fast as hell.</p><p>I got into an arguement with an experienced Linux user a while back, he told me that if I didn't knew all the commands and all that command line crap I wasn't really a Linux user.  And sorry to you experienced guys but you can't expect a Windows user to do that!  It's good enough for me and I even make donations to Mandriva, that's how much I like it.  I show some support at least and that's all.  I can consider myself a Linux user.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been a Windows user for years and I learned about Linux in college .
I was introduced to Linux Red Hat and the old Fedora .
That 's what we used in class and I hated it , as a matter of fact I did n't understand the purpose of Linux back then .
I hated learning commands and starting something from scratch but anyways I passed the class with a C and skipped the class every day .
I did n't learn crap.... anyways.... 5 years passed and I got bored of Windows .
Do n't get me wrong , everything I install on Windows works and I have mastered it to a point where nothing crashes on me , my 7 computers have worked fine for me .
Anyhow , I decided to give Linux a try and I tried all of them , Linux Mint , Ubuntu , Mythubuntu , Debian , Suse , PclinuxOS , etc .
etc. I tried all of them and the only one I really like is Mandriva .
As a matter of fact I formatted all my computers and I 'm running a home network of 7 computers including some dinosaur laptops that I use as dedicated firewalls in my home network and I have n't looked back , Mandriva is all I use now .
Honestly I 'm still a Linux N00b but Mandriva is good enough to convert any Windows power user into Linux , I converted all my friends into Mandriva users.In my honest opinion Mandriva is the best Linux I have tried , I had 1 crash in a year of heavy use , installed tons of programs and tweaked it many times and zero crashes .
The 2010 version is very stable , easy to use , fast and so powerful I use Dreamworks , Photoshop , games and some ram hungry graphic design programs and it still going fast as hell.I got into an arguement with an experienced Linux user a while back , he told me that if I did n't knew all the commands and all that command line crap I was n't really a Linux user .
And sorry to you experienced guys but you ca n't expect a Windows user to do that !
It 's good enough for me and I even make donations to Mandriva , that 's how much I like it .
I show some support at least and that 's all .
I can consider myself a Linux user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been a Windows user for years and I learned about Linux in college.
I was introduced to Linux Red Hat and the old Fedora.
That's what we used in class and I hated it, as a matter of fact I didn't understand the purpose of Linux back then.
I hated learning commands and starting something from scratch but anyways I passed the class with a C and skipped the class every day.
I didn't learn crap.... anyways.... 5 years passed and I got bored of Windows.
Don't get me wrong, everything I install on Windows works and I have mastered it to a point where nothing crashes on me, my 7 computers have worked fine for me.
Anyhow, I decided to give Linux a try and I tried all of them, Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Mythubuntu, Debian, Suse, PclinuxOS, etc.
etc. I tried all of them and the only one I really like is Mandriva.
As a matter of fact I formatted all my computers and I'm running a home network of 7 computers including some dinosaur laptops that I use as dedicated firewalls in my home network and I haven't looked back, Mandriva is all I use now.
Honestly I'm still a Linux N00b but Mandriva is good enough to convert any Windows power user into Linux, I converted all my friends into Mandriva users.In my honest opinion Mandriva is the best Linux I have tried, I had 1 crash in a year of heavy use, installed tons of programs and tweaked it many times and zero crashes.
The 2010 version is very stable, easy to use, fast and so powerful I use Dreamworks, Photoshop, games and some ram hungry graphic design programs and it still going fast as hell.I got into an arguement with an experienced Linux user a while back, he told me that if I didn't knew all the commands and all that command line crap I wasn't really a Linux user.
And sorry to you experienced guys but you can't expect a Windows user to do that!
It's good enough for me and I even make donations to Mandriva, that's how much I like it.
I show some support at least and that's all.
I can consider myself a Linux user.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991896</id>
	<title>Re:I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257452700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I guess I am asking, why is it that such a good, arguably superior, distro seems to have to pull teeth just to get a few scraps of publicity, while some others seem to be living in some sort of reality distortion field?</p></div><p>Maybe it has something to do with the fact <i> <b>it's French.</b> </i></p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I am asking , why is it that such a good , arguably superior , distro seems to have to pull teeth just to get a few scraps of publicity , while some others seem to be living in some sort of reality distortion field ? Maybe it has something to do with the fact it 's French .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I am asking, why is it that such a good, arguably superior, distro seems to have to pull teeth just to get a few scraps of publicity, while some others seem to be living in some sort of reality distortion field?Maybe it has something to do with the fact  it's French. 
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991620</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994874</id>
	<title>Re:Mandriva 2008 Spring was the best yet...</title>
	<author>AlgorithMan</author>
	<datestamp>1257436800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>okay, making the SSD master helped - now I've tried it and it's a f*cking piece of shit! You select what software you want and it doesn't give shit about it! it installs just a base system, that is hardly more than damn small linux! not even KDE!? although I selected it!? are you f*cking kidding me!? am i supposed to build my system from scratch!?</htmltext>
<tokenext>okay , making the SSD master helped - now I 've tried it and it 's a f * cking piece of shit !
You select what software you want and it does n't give shit about it !
it installs just a base system , that is hardly more than damn small linux !
not even KDE ! ?
although I selected it ! ?
are you f * cking kidding me ! ?
am i supposed to build my system from scratch !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>okay, making the SSD master helped - now I've tried it and it's a f*cking piece of shit!
You select what software you want and it doesn't give shit about it!
it installs just a base system, that is hardly more than damn small linux!
not even KDE!?
although I selected it!?
are you f*cking kidding me!?
am i supposed to build my system from scratch!
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994162</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992894</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one who cares?</title>
	<author>darthflo</author>
	<datestamp>1257421800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now in 2004 and 2008, on which day did you turn it off? 29 Feb or 31 Dec?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now in 2004 and 2008 , on which day did you turn it off ?
29 Feb or 31 Dec ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now in 2004 and 2008, on which day did you turn it off?
29 Feb or 31 Dec?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991692</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991840</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one who cares?</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1257451800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I do too; it makes it easy to do the kinds of things a home user wants to do, without insulting your intelligence, requiring crazy and arcane knowledge, or being overly pushy with the Free Software approach (they offer a F/OSS-only download, but they also offer an ISO with the useful free-as-in-beer proprietary stuff bundled). Their releases are more frequent than openSuse's, I've never had the instability problems that I get with Fedora (seriously, Fedora 10 crashes whenever I manage to connect it to my network, haven't bothered trying it again since then), and I massively prefer its design philosophy and UI over that of Ubuntu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do too ; it makes it easy to do the kinds of things a home user wants to do , without insulting your intelligence , requiring crazy and arcane knowledge , or being overly pushy with the Free Software approach ( they offer a F/OSS-only download , but they also offer an ISO with the useful free-as-in-beer proprietary stuff bundled ) .
Their releases are more frequent than openSuse 's , I 've never had the instability problems that I get with Fedora ( seriously , Fedora 10 crashes whenever I manage to connect it to my network , have n't bothered trying it again since then ) , and I massively prefer its design philosophy and UI over that of Ubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do too; it makes it easy to do the kinds of things a home user wants to do, without insulting your intelligence, requiring crazy and arcane knowledge, or being overly pushy with the Free Software approach (they offer a F/OSS-only download, but they also offer an ISO with the useful free-as-in-beer proprietary stuff bundled).
Their releases are more frequent than openSuse's, I've never had the instability problems that I get with Fedora (seriously, Fedora 10 crashes whenever I manage to connect it to my network, haven't bothered trying it again since then), and I massively prefer its design philosophy and UI over that of Ubuntu.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991902</id>
	<title>Re:Mandrake?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257452700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yes it got a mangina</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yes it got a mangina</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes it got a mangina</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991560</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991816</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1257451500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm... Mandriva is free. You *can* buy it boxed and get some support,etc., but for the average home user it doesn't cost a penny more than Ubuntu, Fedora, openSuse, or FreeDOS.</p><p>It's also still a fairly dominant distro, and in my opinion is a better place to start if you don't want your OS to treat you like a total moron (every time I try and use Ubuntu, it just feels like it's insulting my intelligence). Mind you, for some people that's probably the appropriate design for an OS, but I'm personally quite happy with Mandriva (one of my computers is running 2009 Spring, I may try upgrading it).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm... Mandriva is free .
You * can * buy it boxed and get some support,etc. , but for the average home user it does n't cost a penny more than Ubuntu , Fedora , openSuse , or FreeDOS.It 's also still a fairly dominant distro , and in my opinion is a better place to start if you do n't want your OS to treat you like a total moron ( every time I try and use Ubuntu , it just feels like it 's insulting my intelligence ) .
Mind you , for some people that 's probably the appropriate design for an OS , but I 'm personally quite happy with Mandriva ( one of my computers is running 2009 Spring , I may try upgrading it ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm... Mandriva is free.
You *can* buy it boxed and get some support,etc., but for the average home user it doesn't cost a penny more than Ubuntu, Fedora, openSuse, or FreeDOS.It's also still a fairly dominant distro, and in my opinion is a better place to start if you don't want your OS to treat you like a total moron (every time I try and use Ubuntu, it just feels like it's insulting my intelligence).
Mind you, for some people that's probably the appropriate design for an OS, but I'm personally quite happy with Mandriva (one of my computers is running 2009 Spring, I may try upgrading it).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991546</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.30024920</id>
	<title>2010 is super</title>
	<author>Srikar\_NBK</author>
	<datestamp>1257673440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Installed it recently on my laptop.The KDE implementation is awesome. The OS is snappy and fast. Artwork is good, although could have been slighty better. Booting is fast. Boots in less than 30 seconds. No nagging or showstopper bugs. Overall, the best Linux release in recent times</htmltext>
<tokenext>Installed it recently on my laptop.The KDE implementation is awesome .
The OS is snappy and fast .
Artwork is good , although could have been slighty better .
Booting is fast .
Boots in less than 30 seconds .
No nagging or showstopper bugs .
Overall , the best Linux release in recent times</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Installed it recently on my laptop.The KDE implementation is awesome.
The OS is snappy and fast.
Artwork is good, although could have been slighty better.
Booting is fast.
Boots in less than 30 seconds.
No nagging or showstopper bugs.
Overall, the best Linux release in recent times</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992996</id>
	<title>The sad fortune of distributions...</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1257423000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember when, for a time, Mandrake was -the- Linux to get.  Now look at them, practically off the radar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember when , for a time , Mandrake was -the- Linux to get .
Now look at them , practically off the radar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember when, for a time, Mandrake was -the- Linux to get.
Now look at them, practically off the radar.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992192</id>
	<title>And expect Penguin Liberation Front uo update too</title>
	<author>Antique Geekmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1257413700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a wonderful location for software whose licenses make it difficult to include in Mandriva, such as libdvdcss for reading DVD's in the USA, emulators for game consoles because Mandriva won't incorporate them directly to avoid US DMCA legal issues, and Dan Bernstein's oddball tools whose licenses used to prevent rebundling. It's called the Penguin Liberation Front, it's built around Mandriva, and its source RPM's are convenient for any RPM based distro that wants access to these tools.</p><p>I find it extremely handy because it has old, weird tools like xv and vtwm for which I sadly miss development.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a wonderful location for software whose licenses make it difficult to include in Mandriva , such as libdvdcss for reading DVD 's in the USA , emulators for game consoles because Mandriva wo n't incorporate them directly to avoid US DMCA legal issues , and Dan Bernstein 's oddball tools whose licenses used to prevent rebundling .
It 's called the Penguin Liberation Front , it 's built around Mandriva , and its source RPM 's are convenient for any RPM based distro that wants access to these tools.I find it extremely handy because it has old , weird tools like xv and vtwm for which I sadly miss development .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a wonderful location for software whose licenses make it difficult to include in Mandriva, such as libdvdcss for reading DVD's in the USA, emulators for game consoles because Mandriva won't incorporate them directly to avoid US DMCA legal issues, and Dan Bernstein's oddball tools whose licenses used to prevent rebundling.
It's called the Penguin Liberation Front, it's built around Mandriva, and its source RPM's are convenient for any RPM based distro that wants access to these tools.I find it extremely handy because it has old, weird tools like xv and vtwm for which I sadly miss development.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29995924</id>
	<title>Mandriva supports GNOME</title>
	<author>Xtravar</author>
	<datestamp>1257441960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/have/ to use KDE with Mandriva.</p><p>I've been using Mandriva 2009 (installed on a SSD) with Gnome with Pulse Audio disabled (there's a checkbox for that), and it's been great.</p><p>Well except for some X11 update that broke certain multi-screen functionality, but that's not anybody's fault.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't /have/ to use KDE with Mandriva.I 've been using Mandriva 2009 ( installed on a SSD ) with Gnome with Pulse Audio disabled ( there 's a checkbox for that ) , and it 's been great.Well except for some X11 update that broke certain multi-screen functionality , but that 's not anybody 's fault .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't /have/ to use KDE with Mandriva.I've been using Mandriva 2009 (installed on a SSD) with Gnome with Pulse Audio disabled (there's a checkbox for that), and it's been great.Well except for some X11 update that broke certain multi-screen functionality, but that's not anybody's fault.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994162</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993144</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>lezard</author>
	<datestamp>1257424920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mandriva is free. There is only one version (Powerpack) which is not.
It's up to you : I've always used the free version.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva is free .
There is only one version ( Powerpack ) which is not .
It 's up to you : I 've always used the free version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva is free.
There is only one version (Powerpack) which is not.
It's up to you : I've always used the free version.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991546</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991666</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257017820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or take your argument to its logical conclusion and just run Windows - the real de facto desktop winner?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or take your argument to its logical conclusion and just run Windows - the real de facto desktop winner ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or take your argument to its logical conclusion and just run Windows - the real de facto desktop winner?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991546</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29995826</id>
	<title>Re:Whichever moron tagged this as "irrelevant"...</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1257441480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ubuntu and Debian are both unmitigated garbage.</p></div><p>Ok, Ubuntu is fairly broken in a lot of places for most of the time, I will give you.</p><p>But Debian??  Can you expand on that?</p><p>I switched to Debian because it solves all of the problems I still to this day have with other distributions.  Including some of the ones you listed as plus points for Mandriva which most everyone else considers sub par still (Namely, packages)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ubuntu and Debian are both unmitigated garbage.Ok , Ubuntu is fairly broken in a lot of places for most of the time , I will give you.But Debian ? ?
Can you expand on that ? I switched to Debian because it solves all of the problems I still to this day have with other distributions .
Including some of the ones you listed as plus points for Mandriva which most everyone else considers sub par still ( Namely , packages )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ubuntu and Debian are both unmitigated garbage.Ok, Ubuntu is fairly broken in a lot of places for most of the time, I will give you.But Debian??
Can you expand on that?I switched to Debian because it solves all of the problems I still to this day have with other distributions.
Including some of the ones you listed as plus points for Mandriva which most everyone else considers sub par still (Namely, packages)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992082</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.30013150</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>CarpetShark</author>
	<datestamp>1257588660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I still remember ordering Mandrake and Slackware CD's through the mail because they were too big to download on a 56k connection.</p></div></blockquote><p>Me too; although mostly Debian and Slackware.  Luckily, not long after that in the UK we had always-on with free dialup internet (0800 numbers), so I'd happily just let debian update everything over the weekend.  For me, it was the dawn of a new internet-centric OS age, even before broadband<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  Unfortunately it's harder and harder to find even broadband that's as nicely uncapped** these days.  Thank god for BeThere.</p><p>** Yes, I know the 56k was a natural kind of cap, but my point is, if I had the time, I could download anything.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I still remember ordering Mandrake and Slackware CD 's through the mail because they were too big to download on a 56k connection.Me too ; although mostly Debian and Slackware .
Luckily , not long after that in the UK we had always-on with free dialup internet ( 0800 numbers ) , so I 'd happily just let debian update everything over the weekend .
For me , it was the dawn of a new internet-centric OS age , even before broadband : ) Unfortunately it 's harder and harder to find even broadband that 's as nicely uncapped * * these days .
Thank god for BeThere .
* * Yes , I know the 56k was a natural kind of cap , but my point is , if I had the time , I could download anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still remember ordering Mandrake and Slackware CD's through the mail because they were too big to download on a 56k connection.Me too; although mostly Debian and Slackware.
Luckily, not long after that in the UK we had always-on with free dialup internet (0800 numbers), so I'd happily just let debian update everything over the weekend.
For me, it was the dawn of a new internet-centric OS age, even before broadband :)  Unfortunately it's harder and harder to find even broadband that's as nicely uncapped** these days.
Thank god for BeThere.
** Yes, I know the 56k was a natural kind of cap, but my point is, if I had the time, I could download anything.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.30004208</id>
	<title>Re:I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>yakimandu</author>
	<datestamp>1257507420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We've been trying for years to convince Windows users of Linux's superiority. Well I for one would never switch because Windows was much easier to set-up and allowed me to do my work without constant configuration and hassle. I'm pretty sure that Mandriva is the best distro for habitual Windows users.

OMG... I've tried to post 4 times now and the site is refreshing... or wouldn't let me log-in. Fix the site grrrrrrr.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've been trying for years to convince Windows users of Linux 's superiority .
Well I for one would never switch because Windows was much easier to set-up and allowed me to do my work without constant configuration and hassle .
I 'm pretty sure that Mandriva is the best distro for habitual Windows users .
OMG... I 've tried to post 4 times now and the site is refreshing... or would n't let me log-in .
Fix the site grrrrrrr .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've been trying for years to convince Windows users of Linux's superiority.
Well I for one would never switch because Windows was much easier to set-up and allowed me to do my work without constant configuration and hassle.
I'm pretty sure that Mandriva is the best distro for habitual Windows users.
OMG... I've tried to post 4 times now and the site is refreshing... or wouldn't let me log-in.
Fix the site grrrrrrr.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991642</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one who cares?</title>
	<author>genericpoweruser</author>
	<datestamp>1257017760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No I also like Mandriva. Here's to hoping Mandriva 2010 undoes some of the damage caused to the Linux image by the Ubuntu Karmic release SNAFU.<br>I wouldn't mind seeing Mandriva gain some ground, and some new packages in the process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No I also like Mandriva .
Here 's to hoping Mandriva 2010 undoes some of the damage caused to the Linux image by the Ubuntu Karmic release SNAFU.I would n't mind seeing Mandriva gain some ground , and some new packages in the process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No I also like Mandriva.
Here's to hoping Mandriva 2010 undoes some of the damage caused to the Linux image by the Ubuntu Karmic release SNAFU.I wouldn't mind seeing Mandriva gain some ground, and some new packages in the process.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992340</id>
	<title>Re:I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257415380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you are offering poo to the public for free they ask for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you are offering poo to the public for free they ask for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you are offering poo to the public for free they ask for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993868</id>
	<title>PCLinuxOS to Mandrake</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257431520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The ease-of-use / great desktop mantle long ago moved from Mandriva to PCLinuxOS, essentially a fork of Mandriva.  Is it a co-incidence the Mandriva is re-asserting itself at a time when the PCLinuxOS developers community has indulged in a mass-suicide.  Attempts at becoming a Ubuntu user over the years have failed to impress me.</p><p>After progressing from Yggdrasil to PCLinuxOS over 17 years (via Slackware, Red Hat, SUSE, Madrake), I don't want to take the backward step that Ubuntu seems (from trying it), so have downloaded Mandriva 2010 to run in parallel with PCLinuxOS. The battle for my desktop is likely to be between Mandriva and Unity (the next generation PCLinuxOs)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The ease-of-use / great desktop mantle long ago moved from Mandriva to PCLinuxOS , essentially a fork of Mandriva .
Is it a co-incidence the Mandriva is re-asserting itself at a time when the PCLinuxOS developers community has indulged in a mass-suicide .
Attempts at becoming a Ubuntu user over the years have failed to impress me.After progressing from Yggdrasil to PCLinuxOS over 17 years ( via Slackware , Red Hat , SUSE , Madrake ) , I do n't want to take the backward step that Ubuntu seems ( from trying it ) , so have downloaded Mandriva 2010 to run in parallel with PCLinuxOS .
The battle for my desktop is likely to be between Mandriva and Unity ( the next generation PCLinuxOs )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ease-of-use / great desktop mantle long ago moved from Mandriva to PCLinuxOS, essentially a fork of Mandriva.
Is it a co-incidence the Mandriva is re-asserting itself at a time when the PCLinuxOS developers community has indulged in a mass-suicide.
Attempts at becoming a Ubuntu user over the years have failed to impress me.After progressing from Yggdrasil to PCLinuxOS over 17 years (via Slackware, Red Hat, SUSE, Madrake), I don't want to take the backward step that Ubuntu seems (from trying it), so have downloaded Mandriva 2010 to run in parallel with PCLinuxOS.
The battle for my desktop is likely to be between Mandriva and Unity (the next generation PCLinuxOs)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994892</id>
	<title>Re:Mandriva 2008 Spring was the best yet...</title>
	<author>buchanmilne</author>
	<datestamp>1257436920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>kde 4 really kicked mandrivas usability... I currently use 2009 Spring and kde 4.3 is a big improvement over older kde 4 versions, but quite often I regret switching from 2008 Spring. many features, that worked in 2008 spring are now broken</p><ul><li>akregator and kmail now have problems with some servers</li></ul> </div><p>I've been using kmail quite a bit, and haven't had problems. I don't use akregator much<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>kile and kate's scripting feature don't work anymore</p></div><p>I think it should be back in KDE 4.4, but this is of course an upstream issue.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>kaffeine can't handle non-square pixels anymore, so DVD playback is stretched on my 16:9 TV - and my bugreports are just ignored)</p><p>i get errors from PulseAudio all the time</p></div><p>dragon player is working quite well for me on KDE 4.2 on Mandriva 2009.1. The only thing I am missing in dragon is a decent playlist.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I cant mount encrypted harddrives at boot-time, not even with initscripts or using crypttab (i have to mount them manually after booting</p></div><p>If <a href="https://qa.mandriva.com/show\_bug.cgi?id=44249" title="mandriva.com">this is your bug</a> [mandriva.com], it may have workarounds for 2009.1, and is fixed in 2010.0 by the switch to plymouth (splashy was the cause in 2009.0 and 2009.1). If you have a different bug, you need to provide means to reproduce it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>the one thing that's really improved is kdenlive)</p><p>I tried to install Mandriva 2010, but aparently its installer doesn't think my SSD is a harddrive... although all previous mandriva versions installed on it just fine... maybe I'll switch the ports where my harddrives are plugged in - that may change something, but then again i'll have to reinstall grub manually (mandrivas bootloader repair tool never worked for me)</p></div><p>I didn't try 2010.0 on my Acer Aspire One, so I can't comment here, but I didn't see any bugs filed on this.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>mandriva 2009 was completely unusable with kde 4.1...</p></div><p>Which is why KDE3 was still available for it, unlike other distributions that were released at the same time.</p></div>
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<tokenext>kde 4 really kicked mandrivas usability... I currently use 2009 Spring and kde 4.3 is a big improvement over older kde 4 versions , but quite often I regret switching from 2008 Spring .
many features , that worked in 2008 spring are now brokenakregator and kmail now have problems with some servers I 've been using kmail quite a bit , and have n't had problems .
I do n't use akregator much ...kile and kate 's scripting feature do n't work anymoreI think it should be back in KDE 4.4 , but this is of course an upstream issue.kaffeine ca n't handle non-square pixels anymore , so DVD playback is stretched on my 16 : 9 TV - and my bugreports are just ignored ) i get errors from PulseAudio all the timedragon player is working quite well for me on KDE 4.2 on Mandriva 2009.1 .
The only thing I am missing in dragon is a decent playlist.I cant mount encrypted harddrives at boot-time , not even with initscripts or using crypttab ( i have to mount them manually after bootingIf this is your bug [ mandriva.com ] , it may have workarounds for 2009.1 , and is fixed in 2010.0 by the switch to plymouth ( splashy was the cause in 2009.0 and 2009.1 ) .
If you have a different bug , you need to provide means to reproduce it ...the one thing that 's really improved is kdenlive ) I tried to install Mandriva 2010 , but aparently its installer does n't think my SSD is a harddrive... although all previous mandriva versions installed on it just fine... maybe I 'll switch the ports where my harddrives are plugged in - that may change something , but then again i 'll have to reinstall grub manually ( mandrivas bootloader repair tool never worked for me ) I did n't try 2010.0 on my Acer Aspire One , so I ca n't comment here , but I did n't see any bugs filed on this.mandriva 2009 was completely unusable with kde 4.1...Which is why KDE3 was still available for it , unlike other distributions that were released at the same time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>kde 4 really kicked mandrivas usability... I currently use 2009 Spring and kde 4.3 is a big improvement over older kde 4 versions, but quite often I regret switching from 2008 Spring.
many features, that worked in 2008 spring are now brokenakregator and kmail now have problems with some servers I've been using kmail quite a bit, and haven't had problems.
I don't use akregator much ...kile and kate's scripting feature don't work anymoreI think it should be back in KDE 4.4, but this is of course an upstream issue.kaffeine can't handle non-square pixels anymore, so DVD playback is stretched on my 16:9 TV - and my bugreports are just ignored)i get errors from PulseAudio all the timedragon player is working quite well for me on KDE 4.2 on Mandriva 2009.1.
The only thing I am missing in dragon is a decent playlist.I cant mount encrypted harddrives at boot-time, not even with initscripts or using crypttab (i have to mount them manually after bootingIf this is your bug [mandriva.com], it may have workarounds for 2009.1, and is fixed in 2010.0 by the switch to plymouth (splashy was the cause in 2009.0 and 2009.1).
If you have a different bug, you need to provide means to reproduce it ...the one thing that's really improved is kdenlive)I tried to install Mandriva 2010, but aparently its installer doesn't think my SSD is a harddrive... although all previous mandriva versions installed on it just fine... maybe I'll switch the ports where my harddrives are plugged in - that may change something, but then again i'll have to reinstall grub manually (mandrivas bootloader repair tool never worked for me)I didn't try 2010.0 on my Acer Aspire One, so I can't comment here, but I didn't see any bugs filed on this.mandriva 2009 was completely unusable with kde 4.1...Which is why KDE3 was still available for it, unlike other distributions that were released at the same time.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991578</id>
	<title>Am I the only one who cares?</title>
	<author>linuxgeek64</author>
	<datestamp>1257016980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I actually really like Mandriva, unlike others here &gt;\_&gt;</htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually really like Mandriva , unlike others here &gt; \ _ &gt;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually really like Mandriva, unlike others here &gt;\_&gt;</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991494</id>
	<title>Big fucking deal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257016020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mandriva sucks donkey nuts.</p><p>Debian ftw!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva sucks donkey nuts.Debian ftw !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva sucks donkey nuts.Debian ftw!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991812</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257451440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Am I the only one who cares?</p><p>There may be one or two others.</p><p>I learned long ago arguing over what Linux disto is best is like arguing about the best beer.  Each one is unique and appeals to certain people. You have popular distos like Ubuntu and Red Hat/Fedora.  Just like you have your popular beers like Budwiser and Coors.  The users of the less popular distros usually look down on the users of the more popular distros.  In the same way the drinkers of less popular beers look down on the drinkers of the more popular beers.</p><p>As for me, I'm typing this response into Chromium using Gnome that is running on Gentoo with special combination of USE flags that is optimized for my unique usage pattern of pr0n, Slashdot, EVE Online, TV/VCR repair, and database administration.</p><p>Also, thinking of beer made me get a Guinness out of the fridge before finishing this post.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Am I the only one who cares ? There may be one or two others.I learned long ago arguing over what Linux disto is best is like arguing about the best beer .
Each one is unique and appeals to certain people .
You have popular distos like Ubuntu and Red Hat/Fedora .
Just like you have your popular beers like Budwiser and Coors .
The users of the less popular distros usually look down on the users of the more popular distros .
In the same way the drinkers of less popular beers look down on the drinkers of the more popular beers.As for me , I 'm typing this response into Chromium using Gnome that is running on Gentoo with special combination of USE flags that is optimized for my unique usage pattern of pr0n , Slashdot , EVE Online , TV/VCR repair , and database administration.Also , thinking of beer made me get a Guinness out of the fridge before finishing this post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Am I the only one who cares?There may be one or two others.I learned long ago arguing over what Linux disto is best is like arguing about the best beer.
Each one is unique and appeals to certain people.
You have popular distos like Ubuntu and Red Hat/Fedora.
Just like you have your popular beers like Budwiser and Coors.
The users of the less popular distros usually look down on the users of the more popular distros.
In the same way the drinkers of less popular beers look down on the drinkers of the more popular beers.As for me, I'm typing this response into Chromium using Gnome that is running on Gentoo with special combination of USE flags that is optimized for my unique usage pattern of pr0n, Slashdot, EVE Online, TV/VCR repair, and database administration.Also, thinking of beer made me get a Guinness out of the fridge before finishing this post.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992398</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257416160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They seem to be the only ones who are doing a really good job with KDE4.</p><p>Every other distro I've tried has made KDE4 feel like the steaming pile of poo that everyone said it was, but Mandriva made it feel like a really good desktop.</p><p>I don't know how they've done that when no-one else seems to be able to, but it does prove that in the hands of a good distributor, KDE4 is actually a very good piece of software. If only the Kubuntu or Suse guys could put in the kind of effort that the Mandriva team have obviously made.</p><p>(the irony is that back in the day -- 2005-ish, when I tried Mandrake previously -- I found it one of the worst KDE distros from a look+feel perspective. I'm glad they've turned it around).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They seem to be the only ones who are doing a really good job with KDE4.Every other distro I 've tried has made KDE4 feel like the steaming pile of poo that everyone said it was , but Mandriva made it feel like a really good desktop.I do n't know how they 've done that when no-one else seems to be able to , but it does prove that in the hands of a good distributor , KDE4 is actually a very good piece of software .
If only the Kubuntu or Suse guys could put in the kind of effort that the Mandriva team have obviously made .
( the irony is that back in the day -- 2005-ish , when I tried Mandrake previously -- I found it one of the worst KDE distros from a look + feel perspective .
I 'm glad they 've turned it around ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They seem to be the only ones who are doing a really good job with KDE4.Every other distro I've tried has made KDE4 feel like the steaming pile of poo that everyone said it was, but Mandriva made it feel like a really good desktop.I don't know how they've done that when no-one else seems to be able to, but it does prove that in the hands of a good distributor, KDE4 is actually a very good piece of software.
If only the Kubuntu or Suse guys could put in the kind of effort that the Mandriva team have obviously made.
(the irony is that back in the day -- 2005-ish, when I tried Mandrake previously -- I found it one of the worst KDE distros from a look+feel perspective.
I'm glad they've turned it around).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.30024830</id>
	<title>Re:anyone installed it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257672840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>from the posts, I can't find anyone who actually installed it.  So how is it?</p></div><p>I have installed it and it runs very snappy. The KDE implementation is near perfect. The artwork is good. Overall its a very very good release.</p></div>
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<tokenext>from the posts , I ca n't find anyone who actually installed it .
So how is it ? I have installed it and it runs very snappy .
The KDE implementation is near perfect .
The artwork is good .
Overall its a very very good release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from the posts, I can't find anyone who actually installed it.
So how is it?I have installed it and it runs very snappy.
The KDE implementation is near perfect.
The artwork is good.
Overall its a very very good release.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994324</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257433920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mandriva sounds too frighteningly close to "Mangina" for me to try. Sorry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva sounds too frighteningly close to " Mangina " for me to try .
Sorry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva sounds too frighteningly close to "Mangina" for me to try.
Sorry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991754</id>
	<title>Re:I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257018780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I guess I am asking, why is it that such a good, arguably superior, distro seems to have to pull teeth just to get a few scraps of publicity, while some others seem to be living in some sort of reality distortion field?</p></div><p>Cumulative advantage.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I am asking , why is it that such a good , arguably superior , distro seems to have to pull teeth just to get a few scraps of publicity , while some others seem to be living in some sort of reality distortion field ? Cumulative advantage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I am asking, why is it that such a good, arguably superior, distro seems to have to pull teeth just to get a few scraps of publicity, while some others seem to be living in some sort of reality distortion field?Cumulative advantage.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.30152274</id>
	<title>Re:anyone installed it?</title>
	<author>techcrafters</author>
	<datestamp>1257089160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just installed the new version yesterday - love it! Hardware detection was flawless and everything I need is working fine. I installed the KDE One version but then added in the Gnome desktop since I prefer Gnome over KDE most of the time. Mandriva's come a long way since I first saw it as Mandrake abotu 6 or 7 years ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just installed the new version yesterday - love it !
Hardware detection was flawless and everything I need is working fine .
I installed the KDE One version but then added in the Gnome desktop since I prefer Gnome over KDE most of the time .
Mandriva 's come a long way since I first saw it as Mandrake abotu 6 or 7 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just installed the new version yesterday - love it!
Hardware detection was flawless and everything I need is working fine.
I installed the KDE One version but then added in the Gnome desktop since I prefer Gnome over KDE most of the time.
Mandriva's come a long way since I first saw it as Mandrake abotu 6 or 7 years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992402</id>
	<title>YUO FAIl IT..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257416220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fact: *BSD is dying and sling or table a fuul-time GNAA on baby...don't Practical purposes, = 36440 FreeBSD told reporters, Recent article put</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fact : * BSD is dying and sling or table a fuul-time GNAA on baby...do n't Practical purposes , = 36440 FreeBSD told reporters , Recent article put</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fact: *BSD is dying and sling or table a fuul-time GNAA on baby...don't Practical purposes, = 36440 FreeBSD told reporters, Recent article put</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992506</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257417480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, It's wrong to say these tools are only for Debian or Slackware, I'm running awesome 3.4 on my mandriva and I mostly use terminal/curses based programs in rxvt-unicode. You may be interested to know that wmii, dwm, xmonad, lxde, fluxbox, openbox and many more minimalist window managers are also available for Mandriva. Though of course most of mandriva users either use KDE/GNOME/XFCE.</p><p>You may also be interested to know that the mini image, that contains a minimal 32 and 64 bits installer comes with LXDE and replaces the good old IceWM.</p><p>A friend of mine is a slacker too and he was surprised that I "still" use Mandriva and did not switch to slack, deb or arch, and distro often cares some kind of reputation, but I can assure you it's in most case more versatile than it appears to be, and after all, it ships with gcc<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Cheers,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , It 's wrong to say these tools are only for Debian or Slackware , I 'm running awesome 3.4 on my mandriva and I mostly use terminal/curses based programs in rxvt-unicode .
You may be interested to know that wmii , dwm , xmonad , lxde , fluxbox , openbox and many more minimalist window managers are also available for Mandriva .
Though of course most of mandriva users either use KDE/GNOME/XFCE.You may also be interested to know that the mini image , that contains a minimal 32 and 64 bits installer comes with LXDE and replaces the good old IceWM.A friend of mine is a slacker too and he was surprised that I " still " use Mandriva and did not switch to slack , deb or arch , and distro often cares some kind of reputation , but I can assure you it 's in most case more versatile than it appears to be , and after all , it ships with gcc : ) Cheers,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, It's wrong to say these tools are only for Debian or Slackware, I'm running awesome 3.4 on my mandriva and I mostly use terminal/curses based programs in rxvt-unicode.
You may be interested to know that wmii, dwm, xmonad, lxde, fluxbox, openbox and many more minimalist window managers are also available for Mandriva.
Though of course most of mandriva users either use KDE/GNOME/XFCE.You may also be interested to know that the mini image, that contains a minimal 32 and 64 bits installer comes with LXDE and replaces the good old IceWM.A friend of mine is a slacker too and he was surprised that I "still" use Mandriva and did not switch to slack, deb or arch, and distro often cares some kind of reputation, but I can assure you it's in most case more versatile than it appears to be, and after all, it ships with gcc :)Cheers,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992276</id>
	<title>Is There a Joke?</title>
	<author>PingPongBoy</author>
	<datestamp>1257414540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Probably an old joke here - Mandriva<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... makes me wonder if I should trust it more as a passenger, in contrast to Womandriva.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably an old joke here - Mandriva ... makes me wonder if I should trust it more as a passenger , in contrast to Womandriva .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably an old joke here - Mandriva ... makes me wonder if I should trust it more as a passenger, in contrast to Womandriva.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992088</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>molnarcs</author>
	<datestamp>1257412200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...considering Mandrivia costs 60 euros and has a MUCH smaller userbase than Ubuntu, which is free and is the de facto desktop distro winner. Shouldn't a linux newcomer just adopt the most supported distro aka Ubuntu?</p></div><p>Well, if said newcomer desires KDE, the answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT. Kubuntu, for the past 4 releases (basically, since Feisty) have been alpha quality. They ship with broken packages, zero customization, and bugs that would be considered by any other responsible vendor as showstopper (for instance, wireless that broke most people's Internet connection after updating to Jaunty). Besides, as  other pointed out, Mandiva has free editions.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...considering Mandrivia costs 60 euros and has a MUCH smaller userbase than Ubuntu , which is free and is the de facto desktop distro winner .
Should n't a linux newcomer just adopt the most supported distro aka Ubuntu ? Well , if said newcomer desires KDE , the answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT .
Kubuntu , for the past 4 releases ( basically , since Feisty ) have been alpha quality .
They ship with broken packages , zero customization , and bugs that would be considered by any other responsible vendor as showstopper ( for instance , wireless that broke most people 's Internet connection after updating to Jaunty ) .
Besides , as other pointed out , Mandiva has free editions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...considering Mandrivia costs 60 euros and has a MUCH smaller userbase than Ubuntu, which is free and is the de facto desktop distro winner.
Shouldn't a linux newcomer just adopt the most supported distro aka Ubuntu?Well, if said newcomer desires KDE, the answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Kubuntu, for the past 4 releases (basically, since Feisty) have been alpha quality.
They ship with broken packages, zero customization, and bugs that would be considered by any other responsible vendor as showstopper (for instance, wireless that broke most people's Internet connection after updating to Jaunty).
Besides, as  other pointed out, Mandiva has free editions.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994576</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one who cares?</title>
	<author>tibman</author>
	<datestamp>1257435300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I must know, how well is eve running in Gentoo?  I tried a year or two ago and had problems running fullscreen or changing the windowed resolution.  This was with wine (i'm guessing that's what you are using).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I must know , how well is eve running in Gentoo ?
I tried a year or two ago and had problems running fullscreen or changing the windowed resolution .
This was with wine ( i 'm guessing that 's what you are using ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I must know, how well is eve running in Gentoo?
I tried a year or two ago and had problems running fullscreen or changing the windowed resolution.
This was with wine (i'm guessing that's what you are using).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991870</id>
	<title>Yawn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257452460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Windows 7 is here. Linux can eat a dick for all I care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows 7 is here .
Linux can eat a dick for all I care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows 7 is here.
Linux can eat a dick for all I care.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994760</id>
	<title>Re:Mandriva 2008 Spring was the best yet...</title>
	<author>AlgorithMan</author>
	<datestamp>1257436140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>okay, now I've managed to install Mandriva 2010 (making the SSD master helped) and it's a f*cking bad joke! hardly any of the packages that I had selected were installed - it didn't even install kde (although I selected it)<br>
instead I have LXDE now and I have f*cking 3 Programs in my menu. why tf were 800 MB installed? This is like damn small linux or windows 95! This shit shouldn't require more than 50 MB!</htmltext>
<tokenext>okay , now I 've managed to install Mandriva 2010 ( making the SSD master helped ) and it 's a f * cking bad joke !
hardly any of the packages that I had selected were installed - it did n't even install kde ( although I selected it ) instead I have LXDE now and I have f * cking 3 Programs in my menu .
why tf were 800 MB installed ?
This is like damn small linux or windows 95 !
This shit should n't require more than 50 MB !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>okay, now I've managed to install Mandriva 2010 (making the SSD master helped) and it's a f*cking bad joke!
hardly any of the packages that I had selected were installed - it didn't even install kde (although I selected it)
instead I have LXDE now and I have f*cking 3 Programs in my menu.
why tf were 800 MB installed?
This is like damn small linux or windows 95!
This shit shouldn't require more than 50 MB!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992372</id>
	<title>Re:I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1257415800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't speak for the rest of the world, but I can share my experience.</p><p>Back in 2001 or 2002 I bought a copy of Mandrake Linux. I had no Internet access (because I just moved) and I needed something for my new laptop, and I'd heard good things about Mandrake. I was sorely disappointed by it. It was heavy (taking a lot of disk space, memory and CPU time), and, apparently like every RPM-based distro at the time, had broken package management and bad quality packages (Mandrake managed to gain some fame for being unable to run Wine, for example).</p><p>I am sure Mandrake/Mandriva has improved since then, but it's been too late to keep me. I've discovered Debian, where time spent on system maintenance is minimal because its package management works, its packages work, they have a larger collection of packages than any other distro I've seen (meaning less time spent installing from source), and I feel safe upgrading my entire system in the expectation that everything will still work afterwards.</p><p>Even if Mandriva now provides all these things, that wouldn't compel me to switch, because I already have everything I care about.</p><p>I suspect it is the same way for others: either Mandriva doesn't offer compelling enough advantages over their current OS to make people want to switch, or people have had bad experiences in the past that make them want to avoid Mandriva. The fact that the project seems to have difficulty getting new releases out and the company behind it has been close to folding probably doesn't help, either.</p><p>(Just to be perfectly clear, none of this has anything to do with the technical quality of today's Mandriva. I am not saying it isn't an excellent product which deserves more attention. Just trying to explain why it isn't getting what it deserves.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't speak for the rest of the world , but I can share my experience.Back in 2001 or 2002 I bought a copy of Mandrake Linux .
I had no Internet access ( because I just moved ) and I needed something for my new laptop , and I 'd heard good things about Mandrake .
I was sorely disappointed by it .
It was heavy ( taking a lot of disk space , memory and CPU time ) , and , apparently like every RPM-based distro at the time , had broken package management and bad quality packages ( Mandrake managed to gain some fame for being unable to run Wine , for example ) .I am sure Mandrake/Mandriva has improved since then , but it 's been too late to keep me .
I 've discovered Debian , where time spent on system maintenance is minimal because its package management works , its packages work , they have a larger collection of packages than any other distro I 've seen ( meaning less time spent installing from source ) , and I feel safe upgrading my entire system in the expectation that everything will still work afterwards.Even if Mandriva now provides all these things , that would n't compel me to switch , because I already have everything I care about.I suspect it is the same way for others : either Mandriva does n't offer compelling enough advantages over their current OS to make people want to switch , or people have had bad experiences in the past that make them want to avoid Mandriva .
The fact that the project seems to have difficulty getting new releases out and the company behind it has been close to folding probably does n't help , either .
( Just to be perfectly clear , none of this has anything to do with the technical quality of today 's Mandriva .
I am not saying it is n't an excellent product which deserves more attention .
Just trying to explain why it is n't getting what it deserves .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't speak for the rest of the world, but I can share my experience.Back in 2001 or 2002 I bought a copy of Mandrake Linux.
I had no Internet access (because I just moved) and I needed something for my new laptop, and I'd heard good things about Mandrake.
I was sorely disappointed by it.
It was heavy (taking a lot of disk space, memory and CPU time), and, apparently like every RPM-based distro at the time, had broken package management and bad quality packages (Mandrake managed to gain some fame for being unable to run Wine, for example).I am sure Mandrake/Mandriva has improved since then, but it's been too late to keep me.
I've discovered Debian, where time spent on system maintenance is minimal because its package management works, its packages work, they have a larger collection of packages than any other distro I've seen (meaning less time spent installing from source), and I feel safe upgrading my entire system in the expectation that everything will still work afterwards.Even if Mandriva now provides all these things, that wouldn't compel me to switch, because I already have everything I care about.I suspect it is the same way for others: either Mandriva doesn't offer compelling enough advantages over their current OS to make people want to switch, or people have had bad experiences in the past that make them want to avoid Mandriva.
The fact that the project seems to have difficulty getting new releases out and the company behind it has been close to folding probably doesn't help, either.
(Just to be perfectly clear, none of this has anything to do with the technical quality of today's Mandriva.
I am not saying it isn't an excellent product which deserves more attention.
Just trying to explain why it isn't getting what it deserves.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994162</id>
	<title>Mandriva 2008 Spring was the best yet...</title>
	<author>AlgorithMan</author>
	<datestamp>1257433080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>kde 4 really kicked mandrivas usability... I currently use 2009 Spring and kde 4.3 is a big improvement over older kde 4 versions, but quite often I regret switching from 2008 Spring. many features, that worked in 2008 spring are now broken
<ul>
<li>akregator and kmail now have problems with some servers</li>
<li>kile and kate's scripting feature don't work anymore</li>
<li>kaffeine can't handle non-square pixels anymore, so DVD playback is stretched on my 16:9 TV - and my bugreports are just ignored)</li>
<li>i get errors from PulseAudio all the time</li>
<li>I cant mount encrypted harddrives at boot-time, not even with initscripts or using crypttab (i have to mount them manually after booting</li></ul><p>
the one thing that's really improved is kdenlive)<br> <br>

I tried to install Mandriva 2010, but aparently its installer doesn't think my SSD is a harddrive... although all previous mandriva versions installed on it just fine... maybe I'll switch the ports where my harddrives are plugged in - that may change something, but then again i'll have to reinstall grub manually (mandrivas bootloader repair tool never worked for me)<br> <br>

mandriva 2009 was completely unusable with kde 4.1... I think what I'll do soon is using mandriva-online to update my system (although I'd prefer a fresh installation) and if it goes bad, I'll switch back to 2008 Spring...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>kde 4 really kicked mandrivas usability... I currently use 2009 Spring and kde 4.3 is a big improvement over older kde 4 versions , but quite often I regret switching from 2008 Spring .
many features , that worked in 2008 spring are now broken akregator and kmail now have problems with some servers kile and kate 's scripting feature do n't work anymore kaffeine ca n't handle non-square pixels anymore , so DVD playback is stretched on my 16 : 9 TV - and my bugreports are just ignored ) i get errors from PulseAudio all the time I cant mount encrypted harddrives at boot-time , not even with initscripts or using crypttab ( i have to mount them manually after booting the one thing that 's really improved is kdenlive ) I tried to install Mandriva 2010 , but aparently its installer does n't think my SSD is a harddrive... although all previous mandriva versions installed on it just fine... maybe I 'll switch the ports where my harddrives are plugged in - that may change something , but then again i 'll have to reinstall grub manually ( mandrivas bootloader repair tool never worked for me ) mandriva 2009 was completely unusable with kde 4.1... I think what I 'll do soon is using mandriva-online to update my system ( although I 'd prefer a fresh installation ) and if it goes bad , I 'll switch back to 2008 Spring.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>kde 4 really kicked mandrivas usability... I currently use 2009 Spring and kde 4.3 is a big improvement over older kde 4 versions, but quite often I regret switching from 2008 Spring.
many features, that worked in 2008 spring are now broken

akregator and kmail now have problems with some servers
kile and kate's scripting feature don't work anymore
kaffeine can't handle non-square pixels anymore, so DVD playback is stretched on my 16:9 TV - and my bugreports are just ignored)
i get errors from PulseAudio all the time
I cant mount encrypted harddrives at boot-time, not even with initscripts or using crypttab (i have to mount them manually after booting
the one thing that's really improved is kdenlive) 

I tried to install Mandriva 2010, but aparently its installer doesn't think my SSD is a harddrive... although all previous mandriva versions installed on it just fine... maybe I'll switch the ports where my harddrives are plugged in - that may change something, but then again i'll have to reinstall grub manually (mandrivas bootloader repair tool never worked for me) 

mandriva 2009 was completely unusable with kde 4.1... I think what I'll do soon is using mandriva-online to update my system (although I'd prefer a fresh installation) and if it goes bad, I'll switch back to 2008 Spring...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991614</id>
	<title>Surprised</title>
	<author>greenlead</author>
	<datestamp>1257017580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm surprised they are still around. I thought most individuals had switched to the quality free distributions like Ubuntu and Fedora, and most Linux-using businesses were using CentOS, Red Hat Enterprise or Suse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised they are still around .
I thought most individuals had switched to the quality free distributions like Ubuntu and Fedora , and most Linux-using businesses were using CentOS , Red Hat Enterprise or Suse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised they are still around.
I thought most individuals had switched to the quality free distributions like Ubuntu and Fedora, and most Linux-using businesses were using CentOS, Red Hat Enterprise or Suse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992190</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised</title>
	<author>gzipped\_tar</author>
	<datestamp>1257413640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quality free distro... is that some new kind of marketing babble?</p><p>"Download SlashDotOS now! The most recent quality free distro! Completely free of quality!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quality free distro... is that some new kind of marketing babble ?
" Download SlashDotOS now !
The most recent quality free distro !
Completely free of quality !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quality free distro... is that some new kind of marketing babble?
"Download SlashDotOS now!
The most recent quality free distro!
Completely free of quality!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29995848</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>AvitarX</author>
	<datestamp>1257441600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it is worth noting, that though Mandrake started as essentially tweaked Red Hat with Mandrake logos and names (the installer of the first Mandrake was where it showed the most, but even in the using), it diverged from Red Hat, where Ubuntu really goes back to Debian for every release.</p><p>At least as an end user, Ubuntu feels more in sync with Debian than Mandrake did to Red Hat, even a couple quick releases in,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it is worth noting , that though Mandrake started as essentially tweaked Red Hat with Mandrake logos and names ( the installer of the first Mandrake was where it showed the most , but even in the using ) , it diverged from Red Hat , where Ubuntu really goes back to Debian for every release.At least as an end user , Ubuntu feels more in sync with Debian than Mandrake did to Red Hat , even a couple quick releases in,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it is worth noting, that though Mandrake started as essentially tweaked Red Hat with Mandrake logos and names (the installer of the first Mandrake was where it showed the most, but even in the using), it diverged from Red Hat, where Ubuntu really goes back to Debian for every release.At least as an end user, Ubuntu feels more in sync with Debian than Mandrake did to Red Hat, even a couple quick releases in,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993142</id>
	<title>Re:Whichever moron tagged this as "irrelevant"...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257424860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;...needs to be shot.<br>Ack.<br>&gt;Ubuntu is made of fail because it loves Gnomes.<br>What's bout XUbuntu and KUbuntu? What's about Debian?<br>&gt;[..]<br>I'd mod it Troll, if I only could..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; ...needs to be shot.Ack. &gt; Ubuntu is made of fail because it loves Gnomes.What 's bout XUbuntu and KUbuntu ?
What 's about Debian ? &gt; [ .. ] I 'd mod it Troll , if I only could. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;...needs to be shot.Ack.&gt;Ubuntu is made of fail because it loves Gnomes.What's bout XUbuntu and KUbuntu?
What's about Debian?&gt;[..]I'd mod it Troll, if I only could..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992602</id>
	<title>GMA500</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257418500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone knows how is the support for GMA500 netbooks? I've tried googling for it, but didn't understand if it is included by default or one needs to do the same kind of jumps through hoops as in kubuntu.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone knows how is the support for GMA500 netbooks ?
I 've tried googling for it , but did n't understand if it is included by default or one needs to do the same kind of jumps through hoops as in kubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone knows how is the support for GMA500 netbooks?
I've tried googling for it, but didn't understand if it is included by default or one needs to do the same kind of jumps through hoops as in kubuntu.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.30011056</id>
	<title>Re:Mandriva 2008 Spring was the best yet...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257509820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mandriva 2009 was completely unusable with kde 4.1</p><p>You mean with your particular combination of hardware bits and pieces.</p><p>I found it to be rock solid....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mandriva 2009 was completely unusable with kde 4.1You mean with your particular combination of hardware bits and pieces.I found it to be rock solid... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mandriva 2009 was completely unusable with kde 4.1You mean with your particular combination of hardware bits and pieces.I found it to be rock solid....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992984</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257422940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Mandrake since 2001 at least and the only problems I had was with hardware that was not supported at all on any Linux. Apart from that,  each time I installed it, it always worked without significant problem. My wife uses it and my mother (82) has a Mandriva machine as a back-up. When her Windows box will be out of order, I will make her switch to Mandriva, because I am 100\% sure that she will not need to reboot it for months, there will be no virus problems and the like.<br>The only thing I hope is that Mandriva will stay simple to use, very stable, without useless gadgets and sophistications: I am ready to pay for that, and I am quite sure that many "old" users would be ready to invest on a Linux distribution that will garanty them the same features, ergonomy, interface and data formats for the next twenty or thirty years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Mandrake since 2001 at least and the only problems I had was with hardware that was not supported at all on any Linux .
Apart from that , each time I installed it , it always worked without significant problem .
My wife uses it and my mother ( 82 ) has a Mandriva machine as a back-up .
When her Windows box will be out of order , I will make her switch to Mandriva , because I am 100 \ % sure that she will not need to reboot it for months , there will be no virus problems and the like.The only thing I hope is that Mandriva will stay simple to use , very stable , without useless gadgets and sophistications : I am ready to pay for that , and I am quite sure that many " old " users would be ready to invest on a Linux distribution that will garanty them the same features , ergonomy , interface and data formats for the next twenty or thirty years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Mandrake since 2001 at least and the only problems I had was with hardware that was not supported at all on any Linux.
Apart from that,  each time I installed it, it always worked without significant problem.
My wife uses it and my mother (82) has a Mandriva machine as a back-up.
When her Windows box will be out of order, I will make her switch to Mandriva, because I am 100\% sure that she will not need to reboot it for months, there will be no virus problems and the like.The only thing I hope is that Mandriva will stay simple to use, very stable, without useless gadgets and sophistications: I am ready to pay for that, and I am quite sure that many "old" users would be ready to invest on a Linux distribution that will garanty them the same features, ergonomy, interface and data formats for the next twenty or thirty years.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29995540</id>
	<title>Oblig analogy</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1257440100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 2010 cars have been out for a while...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 2010 cars have been out for a while.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 2010 cars have been out for a while...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29996840</id>
	<title>Re:I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>csartanis</author>
	<datestamp>1257446340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason they jeer is because if it is easy to set up it doesn't teach you jack about how it works.</p><p>Bootstrapping a Gentoo install will teach you more about how operating systems and computer hardware work than any class you'll take at university.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason they jeer is because if it is easy to set up it does n't teach you jack about how it works.Bootstrapping a Gentoo install will teach you more about how operating systems and computer hardware work than any class you 'll take at university .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason they jeer is because if it is easy to set up it doesn't teach you jack about how it works.Bootstrapping a Gentoo install will teach you more about how operating systems and computer hardware work than any class you'll take at university.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994256</id>
	<title>Re:I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>Tord</author>
	<datestamp>1257433560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally I loved the first few versions of Mandrake, but then it started to go south for me...</p><p>Each following version I found more bloated and had new weird half-baked configuration tools and broke more easily than the previous version. It was also much harder to find packages of more unusual software for Mandrake than Red Hat due to the smaller community.</p><p>At around version 8 I switched back to Red Hat, went from there to Ubuntu and haven't looked back since. To me Mandrake had become the distro that just threw in all the latest stuff with not enough work to get everything to integrate nicely and get stable. I'm a bit surprised to hear others here praise its polish and stability throughout the years...</p><p>Today I see no reason for me to switch back to Mandriva although I understand the distro has come far since then. Ubuntu has the largest and most active community, the biggest software repositories and for me (I'm a Gnome user) one of the most polished and well working environments. It also tends to stay stable over time and has a regular 6 months upgrade cycle.</p><p>However, I'll be happy to take Mandriva for a spin again when I can find the time and wish them all the best. They are still one of the half-a-dozen desktop distros that I strongly hope survives and stays relevant in the long run and I think they do a great job for being an independent small company with such a small community.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally I loved the first few versions of Mandrake , but then it started to go south for me...Each following version I found more bloated and had new weird half-baked configuration tools and broke more easily than the previous version .
It was also much harder to find packages of more unusual software for Mandrake than Red Hat due to the smaller community.At around version 8 I switched back to Red Hat , went from there to Ubuntu and have n't looked back since .
To me Mandrake had become the distro that just threw in all the latest stuff with not enough work to get everything to integrate nicely and get stable .
I 'm a bit surprised to hear others here praise its polish and stability throughout the years...Today I see no reason for me to switch back to Mandriva although I understand the distro has come far since then .
Ubuntu has the largest and most active community , the biggest software repositories and for me ( I 'm a Gnome user ) one of the most polished and well working environments .
It also tends to stay stable over time and has a regular 6 months upgrade cycle.However , I 'll be happy to take Mandriva for a spin again when I can find the time and wish them all the best .
They are still one of the half-a-dozen desktop distros that I strongly hope survives and stays relevant in the long run and I think they do a great job for being an independent small company with such a small community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally I loved the first few versions of Mandrake, but then it started to go south for me...Each following version I found more bloated and had new weird half-baked configuration tools and broke more easily than the previous version.
It was also much harder to find packages of more unusual software for Mandrake than Red Hat due to the smaller community.At around version 8 I switched back to Red Hat, went from there to Ubuntu and haven't looked back since.
To me Mandrake had become the distro that just threw in all the latest stuff with not enough work to get everything to integrate nicely and get stable.
I'm a bit surprised to hear others here praise its polish and stability throughout the years...Today I see no reason for me to switch back to Mandriva although I understand the distro has come far since then.
Ubuntu has the largest and most active community, the biggest software repositories and for me (I'm a Gnome user) one of the most polished and well working environments.
It also tends to stay stable over time and has a regular 6 months upgrade cycle.However, I'll be happy to take Mandriva for a spin again when I can find the time and wish them all the best.
They are still one of the half-a-dozen desktop distros that I strongly hope survives and stays relevant in the long run and I think they do a great job for being an independent small company with such a small community.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994354</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one who cares?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1257434100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I learned long ago arguing over what Linux disto is best is like arguing about the best beer. Each one is unique and appeals to certain people.</i></p><p>Even moreso than with beer. My favorite beer is Killian's, but it costs too much and not many bars here carry it, so I usually just settle for Busch. With a Linux distro, price doesn't enter into the equation.</p><p>Some distros may work better on some hardware than others, some may lack features you need, if they lack features you don't need (but somebody else does) it's a non-issue to you, but not to them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I learned long ago arguing over what Linux disto is best is like arguing about the best beer .
Each one is unique and appeals to certain people.Even moreso than with beer .
My favorite beer is Killian 's , but it costs too much and not many bars here carry it , so I usually just settle for Busch .
With a Linux distro , price does n't enter into the equation.Some distros may work better on some hardware than others , some may lack features you need , if they lack features you do n't need ( but somebody else does ) it 's a non-issue to you , but not to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I learned long ago arguing over what Linux disto is best is like arguing about the best beer.
Each one is unique and appeals to certain people.Even moreso than with beer.
My favorite beer is Killian's, but it costs too much and not many bars here carry it, so I usually just settle for Busch.
With a Linux distro, price doesn't enter into the equation.Some distros may work better on some hardware than others, some may lack features you need, if they lack features you don't need (but somebody else does) it's a non-issue to you, but not to them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.30010628</id>
	<title>Re:Whichever moron tagged this as "irrelevant"...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257506700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Out of curiosity, what desktop do you use?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Out of curiosity , what desktop do you use ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Out of curiosity, what desktop do you use?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991848</id>
	<title>Whichever moron tagged this as "irrelevant"...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257452040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>...needs to be shot.

Mandriva is still the best desktop linux distro out there. Ubuntu is made of fail because it loves Gnomes. OpenSuse is made of fail because it's full of clunky "enterprise" (Another word for "crap") admin stuff. Fedora is made of fail because RedHat is more interested in RHEL than anything else.

That leaves Mandriva. It's fast, it's free (Despite OP might think. Hint: Try visiting the Mandriva website and clicking on the Download link...), boasts great repos, wonderful configuration tools and is all round a top noch desktop experience. It's what I use at work because I need a distro I can rely on to install right, work properly and not throw up a fuss when it comes to installing software, playing music and getting things done.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...needs to be shot .
Mandriva is still the best desktop linux distro out there .
Ubuntu is made of fail because it loves Gnomes .
OpenSuse is made of fail because it 's full of clunky " enterprise " ( Another word for " crap " ) admin stuff .
Fedora is made of fail because RedHat is more interested in RHEL than anything else .
That leaves Mandriva .
It 's fast , it 's free ( Despite OP might think .
Hint : Try visiting the Mandriva website and clicking on the Download link... ) , boasts great repos , wonderful configuration tools and is all round a top noch desktop experience .
It 's what I use at work because I need a distro I can rely on to install right , work properly and not throw up a fuss when it comes to installing software , playing music and getting things done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...needs to be shot.
Mandriva is still the best desktop linux distro out there.
Ubuntu is made of fail because it loves Gnomes.
OpenSuse is made of fail because it's full of clunky "enterprise" (Another word for "crap") admin stuff.
Fedora is made of fail because RedHat is more interested in RHEL than anything else.
That leaves Mandriva.
It's fast, it's free (Despite OP might think.
Hint: Try visiting the Mandriva website and clicking on the Download link...), boasts great repos, wonderful configuration tools and is all round a top noch desktop experience.
It's what I use at work because I need a distro I can rely on to install right, work properly and not throw up a fuss when it comes to installing software, playing music and getting things done.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993678</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257430320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Freetard</htmltext>
<tokenext>Freetard</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Freetard</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994648</id>
	<title>Re:I think Mandriva is getting a raw deal from us.</title>
	<author>John Jamieson</author>
	<datestamp>1257435600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You ask a good question.</p><p>
&nbsp; Because of the hype, I have tried Ubuntu many times and keep going back to Mandriva.<br>I use Ubuntu studio weekly but the polish is not there, and they don't fix bugs quickly.<br>And give up on using KDE with Ubuntu, it is almost like they try to give a bad experience to bring people back to gnome.</p><p>With Mandriva I can use any window manager, I even use ICE every once in a while when I want a light weight GUI.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ask a good question .
  Because of the hype , I have tried Ubuntu many times and keep going back to Mandriva.I use Ubuntu studio weekly but the polish is not there , and they do n't fix bugs quickly.And give up on using KDE with Ubuntu , it is almost like they try to give a bad experience to bring people back to gnome.With Mandriva I can use any window manager , I even use ICE every once in a while when I want a light weight GUI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You ask a good question.
  Because of the hype, I have tried Ubuntu many times and keep going back to Mandriva.I use Ubuntu studio weekly but the polish is not there, and they don't fix bugs quickly.And give up on using KDE with Ubuntu, it is almost like they try to give a bad experience to bring people back to gnome.With Mandriva I can use any window manager, I even use ICE every once in a while when I want a light weight GUI.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29992040</id>
	<title>Re:-Finally- out?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257411720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They got their version naming scheme idea from car dealer. Have you seen the new 2010 Chevy's? They've been out since June!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They got their version naming scheme idea from car dealer .
Have you seen the new 2010 Chevy 's ?
They 've been out since June !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They got their version naming scheme idea from car dealer.
Have you seen the new 2010 Chevy's?
They've been out since June!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29995066</id>
	<title>Re:Mandriva 2008 Spring was the best yet...</title>
	<author>ReinoutS</author>
	<datestamp>1257437760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I tried to install Mandriva 2010, but aparently its installer doesn't think my SSD is a harddrive...</p> </div><p>Please don't forget to <a href="https://qa.mandriva.com/" title="mandriva.com">file a bug</a> [mandriva.com]. Thanks!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried to install Mandriva 2010 , but aparently its installer does n't think my SSD is a harddrive... Please do n't forget to file a bug [ mandriva.com ] .
Thanks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried to install Mandriva 2010, but aparently its installer doesn't think my SSD is a harddrive... Please don't forget to file a bug [mandriva.com].
Thanks!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991692</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257018120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, I care too. I have been running it continuously (as in 24/7/365) as a mail and webserver since 2002. Upgraded repeatedly without major difficulties from Mandrake 8.2 to Mandriva 2009.1. Ubuntu is currently as easy to install and use, but there was no Ubuntu back in 2002 and Mandrake's hardware detection and auto-configuration were top-notch. I've stayed with it because none of the upgrades broke anything I couldn't fix in half an hour.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , I care too .
I have been running it continuously ( as in 24/7/365 ) as a mail and webserver since 2002 .
Upgraded repeatedly without major difficulties from Mandrake 8.2 to Mandriva 2009.1 .
Ubuntu is currently as easy to install and use , but there was no Ubuntu back in 2002 and Mandrake 's hardware detection and auto-configuration were top-notch .
I 've stayed with it because none of the upgrades broke anything I could n't fix in half an hour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, I care too.
I have been running it continuously (as in 24/7/365) as a mail and webserver since 2002.
Upgraded repeatedly without major difficulties from Mandrake 8.2 to Mandriva 2009.1.
Ubuntu is currently as easy to install and use, but there was no Ubuntu back in 2002 and Mandrake's hardware detection and auto-configuration were top-notch.
I've stayed with it because none of the upgrades broke anything I couldn't fix in half an hour.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991800</id>
	<title>Re:How does it compare to Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>MacroRodent</author>
	<datestamp>1257451320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mandriva is very easy to use, but also has all the power user features you can wish for easily available: by default there is a root account you can login to directly, unlike in Ubuntu. Installer supports more file system choices than most other distros (been running XFS at home for a long time).
<p>
Hardware support is good. My gut feeling has been it is better than in Ubuntu, but this is just personal experiences with some boxes that ran Mandriva but not Ubuntu, several years ago, and may not apply to latest versions of both.
</p><p>
Software versions in Mandriva are usually very fresh. It also seems to have better good 32 and 64 bit interoperability than most. I have been running the 64-bit version, yet I have not seen the 32-bit Flash troubles that users of other distros report. Just install the plugins and tell nspluginwrapper to update its information. I guess the fact that the author of nspluginwrapper used to work for Mandriva shows!
</p><p>
One good thing in favor of Mandriva is the PLF ("Penguin Liberation Front") repository that you can use to easily add software that the patent-encumbered in some parts of the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva is very easy to use , but also has all the power user features you can wish for easily available : by default there is a root account you can login to directly , unlike in Ubuntu .
Installer supports more file system choices than most other distros ( been running XFS at home for a long time ) .
Hardware support is good .
My gut feeling has been it is better than in Ubuntu , but this is just personal experiences with some boxes that ran Mandriva but not Ubuntu , several years ago , and may not apply to latest versions of both .
Software versions in Mandriva are usually very fresh .
It also seems to have better good 32 and 64 bit interoperability than most .
I have been running the 64-bit version , yet I have not seen the 32-bit Flash troubles that users of other distros report .
Just install the plugins and tell nspluginwrapper to update its information .
I guess the fact that the author of nspluginwrapper used to work for Mandriva shows !
One good thing in favor of Mandriva is the PLF ( " Penguin Liberation Front " ) repository that you can use to easily add software that the patent-encumbered in some parts of the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva is very easy to use, but also has all the power user features you can wish for easily available: by default there is a root account you can login to directly, unlike in Ubuntu.
Installer supports more file system choices than most other distros (been running XFS at home for a long time).
Hardware support is good.
My gut feeling has been it is better than in Ubuntu, but this is just personal experiences with some boxes that ran Mandriva but not Ubuntu, several years ago, and may not apply to latest versions of both.
Software versions in Mandriva are usually very fresh.
It also seems to have better good 32 and 64 bit interoperability than most.
I have been running the 64-bit version, yet I have not seen the 32-bit Flash troubles that users of other distros report.
Just install the plugins and tell nspluginwrapper to update its information.
I guess the fact that the author of nspluginwrapper used to work for Mandriva shows!
One good thing in favor of Mandriva is the PLF ("Penguin Liberation Front") repository that you can use to easily add software that the patent-encumbered in some parts of the world.</sentencetext>
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--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29994576
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29993270
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_05_0113247.29991642
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