<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_04_1844209</id>
	<title>Plug vs. Plug &mdash; Which Nation's Socket Is Best?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1257361440000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>CNETNate writes <i>"Is the American mains socket really so much worse than the Italian design? And does the Italian socket fail at rivaling the sockets in British homes? This feature explores, in a not-at-all-parodic-and-anecdotal fashion, the <a href="http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49303764,00.htm">designs, strengths and weaknesses of Earth's mains adapters</a>. There is only one conclusion, and you're likely not to agree if you live in France. Or Italy. Or in fact most places."</i> (For more plug pics and details, check out Wikipedia's list of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC\_power\_plugs\_and\_sockets#Types\_in\_present\_use">ones in current use</a>.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>CNETNate writes " Is the American mains socket really so much worse than the Italian design ?
And does the Italian socket fail at rivaling the sockets in British homes ?
This feature explores , in a not-at-all-parodic-and-anecdotal fashion , the designs , strengths and weaknesses of Earth 's mains adapters .
There is only one conclusion , and you 're likely not to agree if you live in France .
Or Italy .
Or in fact most places .
" ( For more plug pics and details , check out Wikipedia 's list of the ones in current use .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CNETNate writes "Is the American mains socket really so much worse than the Italian design?
And does the Italian socket fail at rivaling the sockets in British homes?
This feature explores, in a not-at-all-parodic-and-anecdotal fashion, the designs, strengths and weaknesses of Earth's mains adapters.
There is only one conclusion, and you're likely not to agree if you live in France.
Or Italy.
Or in fact most places.
" (For more plug pics and details, check out Wikipedia's list of the ones in current use.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983930</id>
	<title>Re:Is this really front page news?</title>
	<author>Fishchip</author>
	<datestamp>1257021720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because it's more fun to watch people flip out over a mains standard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it 's more fun to watch people flip out over a mains standard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it's more fun to watch people flip out over a mains standard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29990894</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257010560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"220V is too much for everyday electronics"</p><p>"not a microwave. Those run off a (dedicated) 20A circuit, same as a fridge"</p><p>Well done my son, you have successfully illustrated why 110v is such a waste of time. We do (in the UK) occasionally wire the fridge on a separate radial circuit but that's due to their tendency to leak a fair bit of current to ground and thus nuisance trip RCD's. IAAE (I am an electrician) BTW.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" 220V is too much for everyday electronics " " not a microwave .
Those run off a ( dedicated ) 20A circuit , same as a fridge " Well done my son , you have successfully illustrated why 110v is such a waste of time .
We do ( in the UK ) occasionally wire the fridge on a separate radial circuit but that 's due to their tendency to leak a fair bit of current to ground and thus nuisance trip RCD 's .
IAAE ( I am an electrician ) BTW .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"220V is too much for everyday electronics""not a microwave.
Those run off a (dedicated) 20A circuit, same as a fridge"Well done my son, you have successfully illustrated why 110v is such a waste of time.
We do (in the UK) occasionally wire the fridge on a separate radial circuit but that's due to their tendency to leak a fair bit of current to ground and thus nuisance trip RCD's.
IAAE (I am an electrician) BTW.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.30046398</id>
	<title>Re:Better idea</title>
	<author>Weezul</author>
	<datestamp>1257872160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, not NEMA L15, but similar.  I'd say a small conical rubber plug with four ridges that contain the four leads, and the voltage and AC vs DC are `negotiated' through beveled ridges on the outlet and insets on the plug.  100-120v AC only has 2 ridges, 200-240v AC only has 3 ridges, and DC only has 5 ridges.  All ridges and insets are placed symmetrically around the outlet and plug, meaning a device that can use 100-240v AC has 3 insets, a device that uses 110v AC or DC has 10 insets, a device that uses all has 30 insets, etc.  So all devices use essentially the same smallish plug, either outlet or device may handle the power conversion, but no connection is possible if `negotiations' fail.  Also, portable devices should attach the plug to the wall using magnets while some twist lock option exists for non-portable devices.  Just one plug to rule them all!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , not NEMA L15 , but similar .
I 'd say a small conical rubber plug with four ridges that contain the four leads , and the voltage and AC vs DC are ` negotiated ' through beveled ridges on the outlet and insets on the plug .
100-120v AC only has 2 ridges , 200-240v AC only has 3 ridges , and DC only has 5 ridges .
All ridges and insets are placed symmetrically around the outlet and plug , meaning a device that can use 100-240v AC has 3 insets , a device that uses 110v AC or DC has 10 insets , a device that uses all has 30 insets , etc .
So all devices use essentially the same smallish plug , either outlet or device may handle the power conversion , but no connection is possible if ` negotiations ' fail .
Also , portable devices should attach the plug to the wall using magnets while some twist lock option exists for non-portable devices .
Just one plug to rule them all !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, not NEMA L15, but similar.
I'd say a small conical rubber plug with four ridges that contain the four leads, and the voltage and AC vs DC are `negotiated' through beveled ridges on the outlet and insets on the plug.
100-120v AC only has 2 ridges, 200-240v AC only has 3 ridges, and DC only has 5 ridges.
All ridges and insets are placed symmetrically around the outlet and plug, meaning a device that can use 100-240v AC has 3 insets, a device that uses 110v AC or DC has 10 insets, a device that uses all has 30 insets, etc.
So all devices use essentially the same smallish plug, either outlet or device may handle the power conversion, but no connection is possible if `negotiations' fail.
Also, portable devices should attach the plug to the wall using magnets while some twist lock option exists for non-portable devices.
Just one plug to rule them all!
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987270</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>dr00g911</author>
	<datestamp>1256989680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Going to have to politely disagree here. Appliances such as coffee makers, toasters and electric kettles most certainly benefit from 220.</p><p>There's a reason you don't see many electric kettles in the U.S... they take longer than the stove to <i>almost</i> boil a pot of water, compared to the 20 seconds or so you get in the UK for a rolling boil.</p><p>I also quite like the switches on UK outlets, although the size of the sockets is somewhat ridiculous.</p><p>I'll never forget my first trip to London (about 15 years ago)... the flat I stayed in was in a 150 year old building. Switches on all the outlets, and a central touchscreen that controlled the AC, heat and scheduled the water heater to kick on and off. Hot water in the kitchen sink was on-demand (much like the "electric showers" you see in small flats now).</p><p>At the time, it was absolute magic to my teenage American brain, and I began wondering why we don't do more in the U.S. to curtail wasted power.</p><p>Then there was the ubiquitous gas broiler on every stove I came across...</p><p>But the combo washer-dryer deals that take 5 hours for a load suck. And they're generally in the kitchen for some reason.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Going to have to politely disagree here .
Appliances such as coffee makers , toasters and electric kettles most certainly benefit from 220.There 's a reason you do n't see many electric kettles in the U.S... they take longer than the stove to almost boil a pot of water , compared to the 20 seconds or so you get in the UK for a rolling boil.I also quite like the switches on UK outlets , although the size of the sockets is somewhat ridiculous.I 'll never forget my first trip to London ( about 15 years ago ) ... the flat I stayed in was in a 150 year old building .
Switches on all the outlets , and a central touchscreen that controlled the AC , heat and scheduled the water heater to kick on and off .
Hot water in the kitchen sink was on-demand ( much like the " electric showers " you see in small flats now ) .At the time , it was absolute magic to my teenage American brain , and I began wondering why we do n't do more in the U.S. to curtail wasted power.Then there was the ubiquitous gas broiler on every stove I came across...But the combo washer-dryer deals that take 5 hours for a load suck .
And they 're generally in the kitchen for some reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Going to have to politely disagree here.
Appliances such as coffee makers, toasters and electric kettles most certainly benefit from 220.There's a reason you don't see many electric kettles in the U.S... they take longer than the stove to almost boil a pot of water, compared to the 20 seconds or so you get in the UK for a rolling boil.I also quite like the switches on UK outlets, although the size of the sockets is somewhat ridiculous.I'll never forget my first trip to London (about 15 years ago)... the flat I stayed in was in a 150 year old building.
Switches on all the outlets, and a central touchscreen that controlled the AC, heat and scheduled the water heater to kick on and off.
Hot water in the kitchen sink was on-demand (much like the "electric showers" you see in small flats now).At the time, it was absolute magic to my teenage American brain, and I began wondering why we don't do more in the U.S. to curtail wasted power.Then there was the ubiquitous gas broiler on every stove I came across...But the combo washer-dryer deals that take 5 hours for a load suck.
And they're generally in the kitchen for some reason.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984234</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1257022740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It's a single UK standard plug and that's it and has been since I can remember (I'm 40).</i></p><p>Which is the age where the memory really starts to go, thus explaining why you can't remember that it was last week.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a single UK standard plug and that 's it and has been since I can remember ( I 'm 40 ) .Which is the age where the memory really starts to go , thus explaining why you ca n't remember that it was last week .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a single UK standard plug and that's it and has been since I can remember (I'm 40).Which is the age where the memory really starts to go, thus explaining why you can't remember that it was last week.
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992370</id>
	<title>Re:um no</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257415800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>autopager plugin FTW!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>autopager plugin FTW !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>autopager plugin FTW!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983264</id>
	<title>Poll</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We already <a href="http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=1825&amp;aid=-1" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">know what Slashdot readers think.</a> [slashdot.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We already know what Slashdot readers think .
[ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We already know what Slashdot readers think.
[slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989074</id>
	<title>Re:Swiss</title>
	<author>theolein</author>
	<datestamp>1256997840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in Switzerland and the Swiss plugs are indeed very good, as they are modular and almost all extenders are recessed so your kid can't stick anything in there. The best, however, that I've ever seen are the German plugs. They are all recessed. Very, very good design.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Switzerland and the Swiss plugs are indeed very good , as they are modular and almost all extenders are recessed so your kid ca n't stick anything in there .
The best , however , that I 've ever seen are the German plugs .
They are all recessed .
Very , very good design .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Switzerland and the Swiss plugs are indeed very good, as they are modular and almost all extenders are recessed so your kid can't stick anything in there.
The best, however, that I've ever seen are the German plugs.
They are all recessed.
Very, very good design.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986228</id>
	<title>Re:Oh yeah?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256985540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course--it's bi-lingual!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course--it 's bi-lingual !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course--it's bi-lingual!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988580</id>
	<title>Re:Aha! Time for my favorite indie design this yea</title>
	<author>Marcika</author>
	<datestamp>1256995380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Min-Kyu Choi's Folding UK style plug. All the goodness of the UK plug, none of the bulky crap. <a href="http://www.minkyu.co.uk/Site/Product/Entries/2009/4/20\_Folding\_Plug\_System.html" title="minkyu.co.uk">http://www.minkyu.co.uk/Site/Product/Entries/2009/4/20\_Folding\_Plug\_System.html</a> [minkyu.co.uk] </p></div><p>Amazing! Can you buy them anywhere, or is it just a drool-over-it prototype?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Min-Kyu Choi 's Folding UK style plug .
All the goodness of the UK plug , none of the bulky crap .
http : //www.minkyu.co.uk/Site/Product/Entries/2009/4/20 \ _Folding \ _Plug \ _System.html [ minkyu.co.uk ] Amazing !
Can you buy them anywhere , or is it just a drool-over-it prototype ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Min-Kyu Choi's Folding UK style plug.
All the goodness of the UK plug, none of the bulky crap.
http://www.minkyu.co.uk/Site/Product/Entries/2009/4/20\_Folding\_Plug\_System.html [minkyu.co.uk] Amazing!
Can you buy them anywhere, or is it just a drool-over-it prototype?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983250</id>
	<title>Gizmodo covered this about a week ago</title>
	<author>cabjf</author>
	<datestamp>1257019860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>There already is an international standard.  The problem is that no one is going to invest a ton of money to scrap their current system (pun?) and switch over to it.
<br> <br>
<a href="http://gizmodo.com/5391271/giz-explains-why-every-country-has-a-different-fing-plug" title="gizmodo.com">http://gizmodo.com/5391271/giz-explains-why-every-country-has-a-different-fing-plug</a> [gizmodo.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>There already is an international standard .
The problem is that no one is going to invest a ton of money to scrap their current system ( pun ?
) and switch over to it .
http : //gizmodo.com/5391271/giz-explains-why-every-country-has-a-different-fing-plug [ gizmodo.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There already is an international standard.
The problem is that no one is going to invest a ton of money to scrap their current system (pun?
) and switch over to it.
http://gizmodo.com/5391271/giz-explains-why-every-country-has-a-different-fing-plug [gizmodo.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986862</id>
	<title>Re:Just refreshed electrical in my US home...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the entire flippin outlet getting ripped out of the wall with it.</p></div><p>Fun fact: British buildings have actual walls, not card board pretend walls that apparently can't hold a socket in place.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the entire flippin outlet getting ripped out of the wall with it.Fun fact : British buildings have actual walls , not card board pretend walls that apparently ca n't hold a socket in place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the entire flippin outlet getting ripped out of the wall with it.Fun fact: British buildings have actual walls, not card board pretend walls that apparently can't hold a socket in place.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985136</id>
	<title>Re:Biased...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256982360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll take it you don't require a computer-type power bar/surge protector that has say... 8 or 10 outlets then.</p><p>I needed one to make a somewhat central 'charging station' for all of my small electronic devices.  That thing's already friggin' massive, I can only fathom how big it would have to be to house 10 euro outlets!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll take it you do n't require a computer-type power bar/surge protector that has say... 8 or 10 outlets then.I needed one to make a somewhat central 'charging station ' for all of my small electronic devices .
That thing 's already friggin ' massive , I can only fathom how big it would have to be to house 10 euro outlets !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll take it you don't require a computer-type power bar/surge protector that has say... 8 or 10 outlets then.I needed one to make a somewhat central 'charging station' for all of my small electronic devices.
That thing's already friggin' massive, I can only fathom how big it would have to be to house 10 euro outlets!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983964</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>WarwickRyan</author>
	<datestamp>1257021900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't believe everything you read on wikipedia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't believe everything you read on wikipedia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't believe everything you read on wikipedia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29993518</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>raistlinwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1257429120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know people like to say 'its the current that kills', but how does this apply here? If I touch a live wire, nothing is going to happen to me unless/until I ground - from that point the shock I receive will be a circuit and will have a certain amount of resistance.. If the voltage is double, then won't twice the current flow through that part of the body?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know people like to say 'its the current that kills ' , but how does this apply here ?
If I touch a live wire , nothing is going to happen to me unless/until I ground - from that point the shock I receive will be a circuit and will have a certain amount of resistance.. If the voltage is double , then wo n't twice the current flow through that part of the body ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know people like to say 'its the current that kills', but how does this apply here?
If I touch a live wire, nothing is going to happen to me unless/until I ground - from that point the shock I receive will be a circuit and will have a certain amount of resistance.. If the voltage is double, then won't twice the current flow through that part of the body?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992334</id>
	<title>Re:Biased...</title>
	<author>dunkelfalke</author>
	<datestamp>1257415320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try a Schuko socket sometimes. The connection is so stable that it might rather tear the socket from the wall than unplug the plug.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try a Schuko socket sometimes .
The connection is so stable that it might rather tear the socket from the wall than unplug the plug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try a Schuko socket sometimes.
The connection is so stable that it might rather tear the socket from the wall than unplug the plug.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983988</id>
	<title>Re:PoW</title>
	<author>Jeek Elemental</author>
	<datestamp>1257021960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>phone support: "is it plugged in?"<br>"yes"<br>"well theres your problem"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>phone support : " is it plugged in ?
" " yes " " well theres your problem "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>phone support: "is it plugged in?
""yes""well theres your problem"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989594</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257000660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Article summary (score out of 10):</p><p>10- UK<br>9 - Denmark<br>8 - Italy<br>2 - Australia<br>1 - USA (no surprise)<br>1 - Japan (surprise)<br>0 - EU</p><p>I suspect bias.  I also suspect this article was meant to be humourous.  BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily; it's how I run my spare heater.</p></div><p>What about the infamous Butt Plug... nobody ever talks about that one. It works in every country and you don't need any fancy adaptor kit!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Article summary ( score out of 10 ) : 10- UK9 - Denmark8 - Italy2 - Australia1 - USA ( no surprise ) 1 - Japan ( surprise ) 0 - EUI suspect bias .
I also suspect this article was meant to be humourous .
BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily ; it 's how I run my spare heater.What about the infamous Butt Plug... nobody ever talks about that one .
It works in every country and you do n't need any fancy adaptor kit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Article summary (score out of 10):10- UK9 - Denmark8 - Italy2 - Australia1 - USA (no surprise)1 - Japan (surprise)0 - EUI suspect bias.
I also suspect this article was meant to be humourous.
BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily; it's how I run my spare heater.What about the infamous Butt Plug... nobody ever talks about that one.
It works in every country and you don't need any fancy adaptor kit!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992426</id>
	<title>NSFW</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1257416460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The shroud engages the enclosing slot before the pins make contact.</p></div><p>Oh, yes, baby. You're making me hot! How about a little three-phase action? C'mon, you know you like it when the electrons flow.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The shroud engages the enclosing slot before the pins make contact.Oh , yes , baby .
You 're making me hot !
How about a little three-phase action ?
C'mon , you know you like it when the electrons flow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The shroud engages the enclosing slot before the pins make contact.Oh, yes, baby.
You're making me hot!
How about a little three-phase action?
C'mon, you know you like it when the electrons flow.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987142</id>
	<title>Re:objective my ass...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256989200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one was "thinking of the children" when the UK socket was designed in 1946 - the immediate post-war era wasn't known for it's overbearing health and safety legislation. It was just adopted as a sensible precaution for covering the pins since they were changing the design anyway (from 3 pin round plugs at 5A).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one was " thinking of the children " when the UK socket was designed in 1946 - the immediate post-war era was n't known for it 's overbearing health and safety legislation .
It was just adopted as a sensible precaution for covering the pins since they were changing the design anyway ( from 3 pin round plugs at 5A ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one was "thinking of the children" when the UK socket was designed in 1946 - the immediate post-war era wasn't known for it's overbearing health and safety legislation.
It was just adopted as a sensible precaution for covering the pins since they were changing the design anyway (from 3 pin round plugs at 5A).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986292</id>
	<title>Re:Aha! Time for my favorite indie design this yea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256985660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>holy crap that is the most amazing thing I have ever seen - this man needs some VC fast to bring this to the UK!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>holy crap that is the most amazing thing I have ever seen - this man needs some VC fast to bring this to the UK !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>holy crap that is the most amazing thing I have ever seen - this man needs some VC fast to bring this to the UK!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983362</id>
	<title>Better idea</title>
	<author>Wonko the Sane</author>
	<datestamp>1257020100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If there was some move to rewire the entire world with a single residential standard I'd vote for NEMA L15.</p><p>Single-phase power is a hack.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there was some move to rewire the entire world with a single residential standard I 'd vote for NEMA L15.Single-phase power is a hack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there was some move to rewire the entire world with a single residential standard I'd vote for NEMA L15.Single-phase power is a hack.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992242</id>
	<title>Re:Swiss</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1257414120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like them as well, but there is one downside with them, it is hard to add child protection covers on those, either you have shutters in the<br>outlet or you are literally screwed. The european plugs allow for turn-open child protection covers simply are not possible on them, either you integrate shutters directly into the outlets or you are basically screwed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like them as well , but there is one downside with them , it is hard to add child protection covers on those , either you have shutters in theoutlet or you are literally screwed .
The european plugs allow for turn-open child protection covers simply are not possible on them , either you integrate shutters directly into the outlets or you are basically screwed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like them as well, but there is one downside with them, it is hard to add child protection covers on those, either you have shutters in theoutlet or you are literally screwed.
The european plugs allow for turn-open child protection covers simply are not possible on them, either you integrate shutters directly into the outlets or you are basically screwed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983880</id>
	<title>I loved the "europlugs"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257021540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was in both Spain and France they used them, Spain actually had several different standards, this was the late 80s. The old two hole plug literally came from the idea that you could always just strip down the wires and stick them in the holes if you didn't have a plug. Can you say unsafe fire hazzard! The plugs themselves are fine it's just the fact that people do just strip wires and stick them in the holes that make them dicey. People rarely do that with US plugs even though the US one are tricker to use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was in both Spain and France they used them , Spain actually had several different standards , this was the late 80s .
The old two hole plug literally came from the idea that you could always just strip down the wires and stick them in the holes if you did n't have a plug .
Can you say unsafe fire hazzard !
The plugs themselves are fine it 's just the fact that people do just strip wires and stick them in the holes that make them dicey .
People rarely do that with US plugs even though the US one are tricker to use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was in both Spain and France they used them, Spain actually had several different standards, this was the late 80s.
The old two hole plug literally came from the idea that you could always just strip down the wires and stick them in the holes if you didn't have a plug.
Can you say unsafe fire hazzard!
The plugs themselves are fine it's just the fact that people do just strip wires and stick them in the holes that make them dicey.
People rarely do that with US plugs even though the US one are tricker to use.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988360</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1256994360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily; it's how I run my spare heater.</i><br>But the voltage is only 120V giving 1.8KW.</p><p>Pretty weedy compared to the british 2.99KW (assuming you believe them when they tell use the nominal voltage is now 230V but thats another argument) and continental 3.68KW</p><p>Here is my opinion</p><p>UK: 8/10: good points: fused, firm fit, cable conventially exits at right angles making it lie flat to the wall, little in the way of dangerous semi-compatibilities (unless someone sticks a tool in the earth hole but if you have to go that far to make something fit it's abuse and doesn't count IMO) Bad points: bulky<br>australian: 7/10, pretty similar to UK but lacks the fusing.<br>Schuko/french and danish: 2/10, good points: high current capcity. bad points: bulky, suffers a lot from dangerous semi-compatibilites (schuko and french plugs will go into danish and some italian outlets without picking up an earth and will also go into many old unearthed sockets), schuko unlike the others is also unpolarised.<br>italian: 3/10, good points: compact. bad points: non-polarised. some variants will accept schuko and/or french plugs without earthing them.<br>Europlug: 5/10, good points: compatible with lots of socket types. bad points: obviously not suitable for larger appliances, may be quite a loose fit.<br>US: 4/10, good points: 110V is less likely to kill you if you do get a shock, fairly compact. bad points: low power availible, loose fit, no system for preventing users touching pins on a partly withdrawn plug.</p><p>My ideal plug would be something like a neutrik powercon but designed so it couldn't be dismantled without tools and fitted with a fuse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily ; it 's how I run my spare heater.But the voltage is only 120V giving 1.8KW.Pretty weedy compared to the british 2.99KW ( assuming you believe them when they tell use the nominal voltage is now 230V but thats another argument ) and continental 3.68KWHere is my opinionUK : 8/10 : good points : fused , firm fit , cable conventially exits at right angles making it lie flat to the wall , little in the way of dangerous semi-compatibilities ( unless someone sticks a tool in the earth hole but if you have to go that far to make something fit it 's abuse and does n't count IMO ) Bad points : bulkyaustralian : 7/10 , pretty similar to UK but lacks the fusing.Schuko/french and danish : 2/10 , good points : high current capcity .
bad points : bulky , suffers a lot from dangerous semi-compatibilites ( schuko and french plugs will go into danish and some italian outlets without picking up an earth and will also go into many old unearthed sockets ) , schuko unlike the others is also unpolarised.italian : 3/10 , good points : compact .
bad points : non-polarised .
some variants will accept schuko and/or french plugs without earthing them.Europlug : 5/10 , good points : compatible with lots of socket types .
bad points : obviously not suitable for larger appliances , may be quite a loose fit.US : 4/10 , good points : 110V is less likely to kill you if you do get a shock , fairly compact .
bad points : low power availible , loose fit , no system for preventing users touching pins on a partly withdrawn plug.My ideal plug would be something like a neutrik powercon but designed so it could n't be dismantled without tools and fitted with a fuse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily; it's how I run my spare heater.But the voltage is only 120V giving 1.8KW.Pretty weedy compared to the british 2.99KW (assuming you believe them when they tell use the nominal voltage is now 230V but thats another argument) and continental 3.68KWHere is my opinionUK: 8/10: good points: fused, firm fit, cable conventially exits at right angles making it lie flat to the wall, little in the way of dangerous semi-compatibilities (unless someone sticks a tool in the earth hole but if you have to go that far to make something fit it's abuse and doesn't count IMO) Bad points: bulkyaustralian: 7/10, pretty similar to UK but lacks the fusing.Schuko/french and danish: 2/10, good points: high current capcity.
bad points: bulky, suffers a lot from dangerous semi-compatibilites (schuko and french plugs will go into danish and some italian outlets without picking up an earth and will also go into many old unearthed sockets), schuko unlike the others is also unpolarised.italian: 3/10, good points: compact.
bad points: non-polarised.
some variants will accept schuko and/or french plugs without earthing them.Europlug: 5/10, good points: compatible with lots of socket types.
bad points: obviously not suitable for larger appliances, may be quite a loose fit.US: 4/10, good points: 110V is less likely to kill you if you do get a shock, fairly compact.
bad points: low power availible, loose fit, no system for preventing users touching pins on a partly withdrawn plug.My ideal plug would be something like a neutrik powercon but designed so it couldn't be dismantled without tools and fitted with a fuse.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29997282</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257448560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most US homes are wired in a split-phase configuration where you get two 117 V legs from the street.  On a stove, these are joined to give approx. 230V.  Dryers can  be wired this way too.</p><p>So, we get the volts when we need them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most US homes are wired in a split-phase configuration where you get two 117 V legs from the street .
On a stove , these are joined to give approx .
230V. Dryers can be wired this way too.So , we get the volts when we need them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most US homes are wired in a split-phase configuration where you get two 117 V legs from the street.
On a stove, these are joined to give approx.
230V.  Dryers can  be wired this way too.So, we get the volts when we need them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988910</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256997000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p>Ovens and stoves may even draw much more - induction stoves can often draw about 7000W. Good luck doing that at 110V...</p></div><div><p>Wait... so you're claiming the US doesn't have ovens and stoves?</p></div></blockquote></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ovens and stoves may even draw much more - induction stoves can often draw about 7000W .
Good luck doing that at 110V...Wait... so you 're claiming the US does n't have ovens and stoves ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ovens and stoves may even draw much more - induction stoves can often draw about 7000W.
Good luck doing that at 110V...Wait... so you're claiming the US doesn't have ovens and stoves?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29991438</id>
	<title>Re:Oh yeah?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257015540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Well, the Canada plug is better than the U.S.A.  plug!</p></div><p>And this unsupported claim scored 4, Informative? Informative, might have a link.  They are the same.</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC\_power\_plugs\_and\_sockets#Type\_B</p></div>
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<tokenext>Well , the Canada plug is better than the U.S.A. plug ! And this unsupported claim scored 4 , Informative ?
Informative , might have a link .
They are the same.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC \ _power \ _plugs \ _and \ _sockets # Type \ _B</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the Canada plug is better than the U.S.A.  plug!And this unsupported claim scored 4, Informative?
Informative, might have a link.
They are the same.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC\_power\_plugs\_and\_sockets#Type\_B
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988338</id>
	<title>Re:Is this really front page news?</title>
	<author>kaini</author>
	<datestamp>1256994180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This one gets the electrical nuts out of the woodwork.</p></div><p>I don't even know where to start with this sentence.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This one gets the electrical nuts out of the woodwork.I do n't even know where to start with this sentence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This one gets the electrical nuts out of the woodwork.I don't even know where to start with this sentence.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.30007006</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257531720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you aware that US standard home electrical systems use 240V single Phase for running the AC system, the oven, the water heater, etc.?l</p><p>The small plugs described in the article are intended to run only small devices. For large power usage, there are large style plugs.</p><p>As a Registered Electrical Engineer, I have seen a lot of really REALLY misinformed comment both in the articles responses and here.</p><p>For instance, the fatal range for electrical shock (the stop the heart range) is approximately 90 to 300 Volts (source, IEEE Standard 80). lower voltages will tingle or cause pain. Higher voltages will cause burns. and can kill if they go on long enough. I do know people who have survived electrical short circuits through their bodies of 7,000 to 25,000 volts at several hundred amperes. There were severe internal burns. If the time is short enough, you can survive enormous voltages and currents. The damaging factor is the square of the current times the time (total energy) for the heat generated. In the fatal range, the heartbeat signal is scrambled, and a heart attack is triggered. Different mechanism.</p><p>Similarly, both common voltages are in the fatal range, so the flames about safety are all off base.</p><p>As for the fuse argument, the relevant factor is total clearing time. True for both the Fuse and the Circuit Breaker. In both systems, it's a question of regulating the current in the circuit. TIMTODI. Where the circuit is regulated and switched can be safely be done either way.</p><p>In summary, the article was a spoof, and should not be taken to reflect any relevant reality. Sadly, many of the comments are no more factual, and are trying to put out a lot of misinformation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you aware that US standard home electrical systems use 240V single Phase for running the AC system , the oven , the water heater , etc .
? lThe small plugs described in the article are intended to run only small devices .
For large power usage , there are large style plugs.As a Registered Electrical Engineer , I have seen a lot of really REALLY misinformed comment both in the articles responses and here.For instance , the fatal range for electrical shock ( the stop the heart range ) is approximately 90 to 300 Volts ( source , IEEE Standard 80 ) .
lower voltages will tingle or cause pain .
Higher voltages will cause burns .
and can kill if they go on long enough .
I do know people who have survived electrical short circuits through their bodies of 7,000 to 25,000 volts at several hundred amperes .
There were severe internal burns .
If the time is short enough , you can survive enormous voltages and currents .
The damaging factor is the square of the current times the time ( total energy ) for the heat generated .
In the fatal range , the heartbeat signal is scrambled , and a heart attack is triggered .
Different mechanism.Similarly , both common voltages are in the fatal range , so the flames about safety are all off base.As for the fuse argument , the relevant factor is total clearing time .
True for both the Fuse and the Circuit Breaker .
In both systems , it 's a question of regulating the current in the circuit .
TIMTODI. Where the circuit is regulated and switched can be safely be done either way.In summary , the article was a spoof , and should not be taken to reflect any relevant reality .
Sadly , many of the comments are no more factual , and are trying to put out a lot of misinformation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you aware that US standard home electrical systems use 240V single Phase for running the AC system, the oven, the water heater, etc.
?lThe small plugs described in the article are intended to run only small devices.
For large power usage, there are large style plugs.As a Registered Electrical Engineer, I have seen a lot of really REALLY misinformed comment both in the articles responses and here.For instance, the fatal range for electrical shock (the stop the heart range) is approximately 90 to 300 Volts (source, IEEE Standard 80).
lower voltages will tingle or cause pain.
Higher voltages will cause burns.
and can kill if they go on long enough.
I do know people who have survived electrical short circuits through their bodies of 7,000 to 25,000 volts at several hundred amperes.
There were severe internal burns.
If the time is short enough, you can survive enormous voltages and currents.
The damaging factor is the square of the current times the time (total energy) for the heat generated.
In the fatal range, the heartbeat signal is scrambled, and a heart attack is triggered.
Different mechanism.Similarly, both common voltages are in the fatal range, so the flames about safety are all off base.As for the fuse argument, the relevant factor is total clearing time.
True for both the Fuse and the Circuit Breaker.
In both systems, it's a question of regulating the current in the circuit.
TIMTODI. Where the circuit is regulated and switched can be safely be done either way.In summary, the article was a spoof, and should not be taken to reflect any relevant reality.
Sadly, many of the comments are no more factual, and are trying to put out a lot of misinformation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987104</id>
	<title>Re:Europlug and the stupid British socket</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256989080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The European socket allows you to plug the cables upside down (which is extremely helpful in certain situations).</p></div><p>Agreed. I also think that designing a plug to avoid polarity reversal is counter-productive. A plug system which allows the live and neutral connectors to be reversed forces developers to design appliances such that they're safe regardless of polarity. If that is not the case, then a trivial household wiring mistake can cause lethal accidents.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Contrary to how it's portrayed in the article, the European socket *does* have grounding. In fact, it has two grounding pins, top and bottom.</p></div><p>They're referring to the flat "Euro-plug", which does indeed not provide grounding. That's the one you described as being "for small appliances and gadgets", which btw is not the distinction. The Euro-plug is used for devices where the current draw is low and risk of coming in contact with live voltage is avoided through the design of the device.</p><p>I kind of like the Schuko plug, but if the IEC 60906-1 plug were non-polarized, that would be even better.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The European socket allows you to plug the cables upside down ( which is extremely helpful in certain situations ) .Agreed .
I also think that designing a plug to avoid polarity reversal is counter-productive .
A plug system which allows the live and neutral connectors to be reversed forces developers to design appliances such that they 're safe regardless of polarity .
If that is not the case , then a trivial household wiring mistake can cause lethal accidents.Contrary to how it 's portrayed in the article , the European socket * does * have grounding .
In fact , it has two grounding pins , top and bottom.They 're referring to the flat " Euro-plug " , which does indeed not provide grounding .
That 's the one you described as being " for small appliances and gadgets " , which btw is not the distinction .
The Euro-plug is used for devices where the current draw is low and risk of coming in contact with live voltage is avoided through the design of the device.I kind of like the Schuko plug , but if the IEC 60906-1 plug were non-polarized , that would be even better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The European socket allows you to plug the cables upside down (which is extremely helpful in certain situations).Agreed.
I also think that designing a plug to avoid polarity reversal is counter-productive.
A plug system which allows the live and neutral connectors to be reversed forces developers to design appliances such that they're safe regardless of polarity.
If that is not the case, then a trivial household wiring mistake can cause lethal accidents.Contrary to how it's portrayed in the article, the European socket *does* have grounding.
In fact, it has two grounding pins, top and bottom.They're referring to the flat "Euro-plug", which does indeed not provide grounding.
That's the one you described as being "for small appliances and gadgets", which btw is not the distinction.
The Euro-plug is used for devices where the current draw is low and risk of coming in contact with live voltage is avoided through the design of the device.I kind of like the Schuko plug, but if the IEC 60906-1 plug were non-polarized, that would be even better.
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	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257000060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I came home from the pub pissed as usual and was in tears reading this. The only thing I have laughed more at is reading the comments, it is incredible how few people realise the satire in this article.<br>
*Hint* This isn't about sockets</htmltext>
<tokenext>I came home from the pub pissed as usual and was in tears reading this .
The only thing I have laughed more at is reading the comments , it is incredible how few people realise the satire in this article .
* Hint * This is n't about sockets</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I came home from the pub pissed as usual and was in tears reading this.
The only thing I have laughed more at is reading the comments, it is incredible how few people realise the satire in this article.
*Hint* This isn't about sockets</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29991448</id>
	<title>Re:12V</title>
	<author>hardburn</author>
	<datestamp>1257015660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's already the 48V Power over Ethernet standard, if you want that. Which you don't, unless you just want to run a few switches off of it. At 48V, line losses hurt badly, even over short runs. Bad enough that it's better to have an AC-DC converter at whatever machine needs DC power. Which is exactly what we have now.</p><p>Things start looking better when you get up to around 500V DC. But as far as computers go, you'll still need to step that down to internal voltages of the system (there are a lot, just look at the pinout voltages of an ATX motherboard connector sometime). So you might still end up with a 240V plug beating it out. Which the US does <i>not</i> have at the moment for general use, unless you've specifically setup your house like that yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's already the 48V Power over Ethernet standard , if you want that .
Which you do n't , unless you just want to run a few switches off of it .
At 48V , line losses hurt badly , even over short runs .
Bad enough that it 's better to have an AC-DC converter at whatever machine needs DC power .
Which is exactly what we have now.Things start looking better when you get up to around 500V DC .
But as far as computers go , you 'll still need to step that down to internal voltages of the system ( there are a lot , just look at the pinout voltages of an ATX motherboard connector sometime ) .
So you might still end up with a 240V plug beating it out .
Which the US does not have at the moment for general use , unless you 've specifically setup your house like that yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's already the 48V Power over Ethernet standard, if you want that.
Which you don't, unless you just want to run a few switches off of it.
At 48V, line losses hurt badly, even over short runs.
Bad enough that it's better to have an AC-DC converter at whatever machine needs DC power.
Which is exactly what we have now.Things start looking better when you get up to around 500V DC.
But as far as computers go, you'll still need to step that down to internal voltages of the system (there are a lot, just look at the pinout voltages of an ATX motherboard connector sometime).
So you might still end up with a 240V plug beating it out.
Which the US does not have at the moment for general use, unless you've specifically setup your house like that yourself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984584</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983222</id>
	<title>Irony</title>
	<author>R2.0</author>
	<datestamp>1257019800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:<br>"We do have some things going for us though. Our health system means if we get ill, we get treated -- and our power plugs are excellent. "</p><p>Right under the picture of a NEMA 5-15R.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " We do have some things going for us though .
Our health system means if we get ill , we get treated -- and our power plugs are excellent .
" Right under the picture of a NEMA 5-15R .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:"We do have some things going for us though.
Our health system means if we get ill, we get treated -- and our power plugs are excellent.
"Right under the picture of a NEMA 5-15R.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985844</id>
	<title>Re:Just refreshed electrical in my US home...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256984340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the outlet comes flying out of the wall, you should really worry for the construction of your house.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the outlet comes flying out of the wall , you should really worry for the construction of your house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the outlet comes flying out of the wall, you should really worry for the construction of your house.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984098</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983394</id>
	<title>Article summary</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1257020160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Article summary (score out of 10):</p><p>10- UK<br>9 - Denmark<br>8 - Italy<br>2 - Australia<br>1 - USA (no surprise)<br>1 - Japan (surprise)<br>0 - EU</p><p>I suspect bias.  I also suspect this article was meant to be humourous.  BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily; it's how I run my spare heater.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Article summary ( score out of 10 ) : 10- UK9 - Denmark8 - Italy2 - Australia1 - USA ( no surprise ) 1 - Japan ( surprise ) 0 - EUI suspect bias .
I also suspect this article was meant to be humourous .
BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily ; it 's how I run my spare heater .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Article summary (score out of 10):10- UK9 - Denmark8 - Italy2 - Australia1 - USA (no surprise)1 - Japan (surprise)0 - EUI suspect bias.
I also suspect this article was meant to be humourous.
BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily; it's how I run my spare heater.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985150</id>
	<title>US plug suck, I have scar to prove it,</title>
	<author>gemtech</author>
	<datestamp>1256982420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>in the corner of my mouth.  Trying to unplug a night light when I was 7 years old.  Yes, I used my teeth and caught a blade on the corner of my mouth.  I blacked out.  It's a small scar.  I've always said that that was my first taste of electricity.<br>They are quite dangerous for little kids.  I like most of the European plugs, but it does add a lot to the size.  Japanese plugs are the worst.</htmltext>
<tokenext>in the corner of my mouth .
Trying to unplug a night light when I was 7 years old .
Yes , I used my teeth and caught a blade on the corner of my mouth .
I blacked out .
It 's a small scar .
I 've always said that that was my first taste of electricity.They are quite dangerous for little kids .
I like most of the European plugs , but it does add a lot to the size .
Japanese plugs are the worst .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in the corner of my mouth.
Trying to unplug a night light when I was 7 years old.
Yes, I used my teeth and caught a blade on the corner of my mouth.
I blacked out.
It's a small scar.
I've always said that that was my first taste of electricity.They are quite dangerous for little kids.
I like most of the European plugs, but it does add a lot to the size.
Japanese plugs are the worst.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29993546</id>
	<title>Re:The IEC connector, in all its forms.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257429360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a "Powercon" connector, similar to Speakon. It's a push-twist-locking system. Apparently it can take a lot of current though they don't look like it.</p><p>I like the UK plug's design that causes it to disconnect in a sensible order when the cable is pulled. This happens enough. The problem comes when it is not wired properly and someone stuffs the wrong length cables into it. I think this is why most appliances now come with pre-wired plugs. Another problem with the UK is that the pulling force is applied in tension on the center screw that holds it together. Nowadays the plastic doesn't tend to fail, but if it did then you'd be left with a lot of exposed live metalwork. Again new moulded pre-fitted plugs avoid this problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a " Powercon " connector , similar to Speakon .
It 's a push-twist-locking system .
Apparently it can take a lot of current though they do n't look like it.I like the UK plug 's design that causes it to disconnect in a sensible order when the cable is pulled .
This happens enough .
The problem comes when it is not wired properly and someone stuffs the wrong length cables into it .
I think this is why most appliances now come with pre-wired plugs .
Another problem with the UK is that the pulling force is applied in tension on the center screw that holds it together .
Nowadays the plastic does n't tend to fail , but if it did then you 'd be left with a lot of exposed live metalwork .
Again new moulded pre-fitted plugs avoid this problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a "Powercon" connector, similar to Speakon.
It's a push-twist-locking system.
Apparently it can take a lot of current though they don't look like it.I like the UK plug's design that causes it to disconnect in a sensible order when the cable is pulled.
This happens enough.
The problem comes when it is not wired properly and someone stuffs the wrong length cables into it.
I think this is why most appliances now come with pre-wired plugs.
Another problem with the UK is that the pulling force is applied in tension on the center screw that holds it together.
Nowadays the plastic doesn't tend to fail, but if it did then you'd be left with a lot of exposed live metalwork.
Again new moulded pre-fitted plugs avoid this problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984830</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986574</id>
	<title>Re:objective my ass...</title>
	<author>manicb</author>
	<datestamp>1256986860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>there's no "objectivity" in that article</p></div><p>Whoosh!</p><p>I guess this is what happens when a tongue-in-cheek article is featured on Slashdot. Best avoided. Next up: How accurate are Facebook quizzes?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>there 's no " objectivity " in that articleWhoosh ! I guess this is what happens when a tongue-in-cheek article is featured on Slashdot .
Best avoided .
Next up : How accurate are Facebook quizzes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there's no "objectivity" in that articleWhoosh!I guess this is what happens when a tongue-in-cheek article is featured on Slashdot.
Best avoided.
Next up: How accurate are Facebook quizzes?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984936</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984890</id>
	<title>100 per cent objective</title>
	<author>kievit</author>
	<datestamp>1256981640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am surprised by how serious people take this light-hearted article. It clearly states:</p><blockquote><div><p>So, let's take a 100 per cent objective* look at the plugs and plug sockets of the world,...</p></div></blockquote><p>where the footnote clarifies: <i>"*Objectivity in this sentence has a one-off, government-approved change in definition. Its meaning here, and only here, is the exact opposite of what it usually means."</i> Do<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. readers really recognize a tongue-in-cheek story only when the summary got the humor icon stuck on it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am surprised by how serious people take this light-hearted article .
It clearly states : So , let 's take a 100 per cent objective * look at the plugs and plug sockets of the world,...where the footnote clarifies : " * Objectivity in this sentence has a one-off , government-approved change in definition .
Its meaning here , and only here , is the exact opposite of what it usually means .
" Do / .
readers really recognize a tongue-in-cheek story only when the summary got the humor icon stuck on it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am surprised by how serious people take this light-hearted article.
It clearly states:So, let's take a 100 per cent objective* look at the plugs and plug sockets of the world,...where the footnote clarifies: "*Objectivity in this sentence has a one-off, government-approved change in definition.
Its meaning here, and only here, is the exact opposite of what it usually means.
" Do /.
readers really recognize a tongue-in-cheek story only when the summary got the humor icon stuck on it?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983338</id>
	<title>Swiss</title>
	<author>drsmithy</author>
	<datestamp>1257020040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of the various plugs and sockets I've spent time living with (Australian, US, European, British), my personal favourite is the Swiss one.  Small, secure, strong and aesthetically pleasing.  The habit the Swiss have of also integrating a socket with most light switches is also quite useful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of the various plugs and sockets I 've spent time living with ( Australian , US , European , British ) , my personal favourite is the Swiss one .
Small , secure , strong and aesthetically pleasing .
The habit the Swiss have of also integrating a socket with most light switches is also quite useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of the various plugs and sockets I've spent time living with (Australian, US, European, British), my personal favourite is the Swiss one.
Small, secure, strong and aesthetically pleasing.
The habit the Swiss have of also integrating a socket with most light switches is also quite useful.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987204</id>
	<title>Re:Europlug and the stupid British socket</title>
	<author>JoeInnes</author>
	<datestamp>1256989440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Self contradiction. A European plug with grounding cannot be inserted into the socket upside down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Self contradiction .
A European plug with grounding can not be inserted into the socket upside down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Self contradiction.
A European plug with grounding cannot be inserted into the socket upside down.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984700</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992636</id>
	<title>Re:Biased...</title>
	<author>qc\_dk</author>
	<datestamp>1257418800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've lived with the eurosocket for thirty years and I cannot remember a plug ever falling out. Ironically the UK plug for my laptop kept falling out of the socket the last time I was at a meeting in Oxford. So you might have the feeling that they aren't as sturdy, but aren't we men of progress, a true civilisation where science rules? I suggest we leave "feelings" to the savages.</p><p>
Anyway, the brits have given us so much so we are going to let the plugs slide, and the plumbing... and maybe the food, but that's it. You'd better be on your best behaviour from now on young man.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've lived with the eurosocket for thirty years and I can not remember a plug ever falling out .
Ironically the UK plug for my laptop kept falling out of the socket the last time I was at a meeting in Oxford .
So you might have the feeling that they are n't as sturdy , but are n't we men of progress , a true civilisation where science rules ?
I suggest we leave " feelings " to the savages .
Anyway , the brits have given us so much so we are going to let the plugs slide , and the plumbing... and maybe the food , but that 's it .
You 'd better be on your best behaviour from now on young man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've lived with the eurosocket for thirty years and I cannot remember a plug ever falling out.
Ironically the UK plug for my laptop kept falling out of the socket the last time I was at a meeting in Oxford.
So you might have the feeling that they aren't as sturdy, but aren't we men of progress, a true civilisation where science rules?
I suggest we leave "feelings" to the savages.
Anyway, the brits have given us so much so we are going to let the plugs slide, and the plumbing... and maybe the food, but that's it.
You'd better be on your best behaviour from now on young man.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983718</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983522</id>
	<title>Re:Depends on your criteria</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1257020520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>God forbid safety comes before savings.</htmltext>
<tokenext>God forbid safety comes before savings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>God forbid safety comes before savings.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985104</id>
	<title>US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256982300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Admittedly, I'm an American but I will back up my points.</p><p>220V is too much for everyday electronics. Why does your vacuum cleaner or table lamp need 220V? I do understand that the amperage is lower (half) for the same wattage. However, if there's a fault in an appliance, and the current carrying lead is exposed, you can touch the conductor without anything more than severe discomfort (wouldn't even call it pain - this has happened to me with a bad light socket). I doubt you could pull this off with 220V. Obviously completing a circuit on either is a bad thing (touching between current and ground...)</p><p>Second, ring circuits are for very specific things. I understand the UK uses a ring circuit for pretty much every floor. In the US, we use home runs for important things and limit ring circuits to, say, the 4-5 outlets around the perimeter of the room, generally one room, about a foot off the floor. Those usually run at about 15 amps - enough for a powerful vacuum cleaner, but generally not a microwave. Those run off a (dedicated) 20A circuit, same as a fridge. Other appliances, generally those with electric heating elements (such as a range, water heater, furnace, machines such as a tablesaw) run off dedicated 220V circuits.</p><p>The upshot of this is the US has many more circuit breakers, and a lot more granularity. A typical house has about 30-40 circuit breakers, maybe more. But a circuit breaker controls, say, half of a room - instead of the entire first floor. UK plugs are fused, so the appliances are about as safe, but that doesn't fix the problem of not wanting to disconnect a whole floor to work on the electrical system. And you start limiting the current from the distribution point - if you drive a nail through a wire, it will only be carrying 15, maybe 20A before the circuit breaker blows. That's opposed to the 220V at 40A...</p><p>Basically, in general there's a lot less current flowing through people's walls. The appliances that need more power get their own entire circuits. I can't help but feel that this is safer, and it allows us to reduce the complexity of our plugs.</p><p>I'd honestly like to hear why people disagree - as I'm sure they will.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Admittedly , I 'm an American but I will back up my points.220V is too much for everyday electronics .
Why does your vacuum cleaner or table lamp need 220V ?
I do understand that the amperage is lower ( half ) for the same wattage .
However , if there 's a fault in an appliance , and the current carrying lead is exposed , you can touch the conductor without anything more than severe discomfort ( would n't even call it pain - this has happened to me with a bad light socket ) .
I doubt you could pull this off with 220V .
Obviously completing a circuit on either is a bad thing ( touching between current and ground... ) Second , ring circuits are for very specific things .
I understand the UK uses a ring circuit for pretty much every floor .
In the US , we use home runs for important things and limit ring circuits to , say , the 4-5 outlets around the perimeter of the room , generally one room , about a foot off the floor .
Those usually run at about 15 amps - enough for a powerful vacuum cleaner , but generally not a microwave .
Those run off a ( dedicated ) 20A circuit , same as a fridge .
Other appliances , generally those with electric heating elements ( such as a range , water heater , furnace , machines such as a tablesaw ) run off dedicated 220V circuits.The upshot of this is the US has many more circuit breakers , and a lot more granularity .
A typical house has about 30-40 circuit breakers , maybe more .
But a circuit breaker controls , say , half of a room - instead of the entire first floor .
UK plugs are fused , so the appliances are about as safe , but that does n't fix the problem of not wanting to disconnect a whole floor to work on the electrical system .
And you start limiting the current from the distribution point - if you drive a nail through a wire , it will only be carrying 15 , maybe 20A before the circuit breaker blows .
That 's opposed to the 220V at 40A...Basically , in general there 's a lot less current flowing through people 's walls .
The appliances that need more power get their own entire circuits .
I ca n't help but feel that this is safer , and it allows us to reduce the complexity of our plugs.I 'd honestly like to hear why people disagree - as I 'm sure they will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Admittedly, I'm an American but I will back up my points.220V is too much for everyday electronics.
Why does your vacuum cleaner or table lamp need 220V?
I do understand that the amperage is lower (half) for the same wattage.
However, if there's a fault in an appliance, and the current carrying lead is exposed, you can touch the conductor without anything more than severe discomfort (wouldn't even call it pain - this has happened to me with a bad light socket).
I doubt you could pull this off with 220V.
Obviously completing a circuit on either is a bad thing (touching between current and ground...)Second, ring circuits are for very specific things.
I understand the UK uses a ring circuit for pretty much every floor.
In the US, we use home runs for important things and limit ring circuits to, say, the 4-5 outlets around the perimeter of the room, generally one room, about a foot off the floor.
Those usually run at about 15 amps - enough for a powerful vacuum cleaner, but generally not a microwave.
Those run off a (dedicated) 20A circuit, same as a fridge.
Other appliances, generally those with electric heating elements (such as a range, water heater, furnace, machines such as a tablesaw) run off dedicated 220V circuits.The upshot of this is the US has many more circuit breakers, and a lot more granularity.
A typical house has about 30-40 circuit breakers, maybe more.
But a circuit breaker controls, say, half of a room - instead of the entire first floor.
UK plugs are fused, so the appliances are about as safe, but that doesn't fix the problem of not wanting to disconnect a whole floor to work on the electrical system.
And you start limiting the current from the distribution point - if you drive a nail through a wire, it will only be carrying 15, maybe 20A before the circuit breaker blows.
That's opposed to the 220V at 40A...Basically, in general there's a lot less current flowing through people's walls.
The appliances that need more power get their own entire circuits.
I can't help but feel that this is safer, and it allows us to reduce the complexity of our plugs.I'd honestly like to hear why people disagree - as I'm sure they will.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987092</id>
	<title>Re:Europlug and the stupid British socket</title>
	<author>jo\_ham</author>
	<datestamp>1256989020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In answer to (1), the plastic shielding on British plugs is on the plug pins themselves, so if you pull it partially out, the pins are covered for long enough that no metal will be exposed on the live or neutral pins until they have broken their electrical connection with the socket, which achieves the same protection that the recessed Euro socket does.</p><p>Some older plugs have no plastic on them, but newer plugs (from the last 20 years or so) have had the plastic shroud.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In answer to ( 1 ) , the plastic shielding on British plugs is on the plug pins themselves , so if you pull it partially out , the pins are covered for long enough that no metal will be exposed on the live or neutral pins until they have broken their electrical connection with the socket , which achieves the same protection that the recessed Euro socket does.Some older plugs have no plastic on them , but newer plugs ( from the last 20 years or so ) have had the plastic shroud .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In answer to (1), the plastic shielding on British plugs is on the plug pins themselves, so if you pull it partially out, the pins are covered for long enough that no metal will be exposed on the live or neutral pins until they have broken their electrical connection with the socket, which achieves the same protection that the recessed Euro socket does.Some older plugs have no plastic on them, but newer plugs (from the last 20 years or so) have had the plastic shroud.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983232</id>
	<title>um no</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>8 fucking pages with two small paragraphs on each page? fuck. off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>8 fucking pages with two small paragraphs on each page ?
fuck. off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>8 fucking pages with two small paragraphs on each page?
fuck. off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986922</id>
	<title>Re:OMG Ponies!</title>
	<author>Menkhaf</author>
	<datestamp>1256988300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cuter than the Danish smiley? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:K\_plug.jpg" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:K\_plug.jpg</a> [wikipedia.org]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...didn't think so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cuter than the Danish smiley ?
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File : K \ _plug.jpg [ wikipedia.org ] ...did n't think so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cuter than the Danish smiley?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:K\_plug.jpg [wikipedia.org] ...didn't think so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987792</id>
	<title>australian plugs.</title>
	<author>Tomfrh</author>
	<datestamp>1256991540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like the switch on Aussie sockets, but you have to be real careful to switch off unused sockets or a lot of electricity leaks out costing you $$$.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like the switch on Aussie sockets , but you have to be real careful to switch off unused sockets or a lot of electricity leaks out costing you $ $ $ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like the switch on Aussie sockets, but you have to be real careful to switch off unused sockets or a lot of electricity leaks out costing you $$$.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29991616</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257017580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes but a 220v kettle/toaster/coffee maker, etc is twice as fast as 110.  When you need your caffeine, this is important</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes but a 220v kettle/toaster/coffee maker , etc is twice as fast as 110 .
When you need your caffeine , this is important</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes but a 220v kettle/toaster/coffee maker, etc is twice as fast as 110.
When you need your caffeine, this is important</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29994104</id>
	<title>Re:objective my ass...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257432780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Australian houses use Residual Currency Devices (RCD) to filter power between the main distribution board and all other household sockets<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the articles author should look it up<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... outside of Britain we install safety devices on the entire house, not just the appliance.</p><p>And seriously, why put a picture of Australia's power socket upside down and then make jokes about it?</p><p>Note: The Italian device is certainly interesting, does it matter which way it is plugged in?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Australian houses use Residual Currency Devices ( RCD ) to filter power between the main distribution board and all other household sockets ... the articles author should look it up ... outside of Britain we install safety devices on the entire house , not just the appliance.And seriously , why put a picture of Australia 's power socket upside down and then make jokes about it ? Note : The Italian device is certainly interesting , does it matter which way it is plugged in ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Australian houses use Residual Currency Devices (RCD) to filter power between the main distribution board and all other household sockets ... the articles author should look it up ... outside of Britain we install safety devices on the entire house, not just the appliance.And seriously, why put a picture of Australia's power socket upside down and then make jokes about it?Note: The Italian device is certainly interesting, does it matter which way it is plugged in?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986674</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Idaho</author>
	<datestamp>1256987160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>220V is too much for everyday electronics. Why does your vacuum cleaner or table lamp need 220V? I do understand that the amperage is lower (half) for the same wattage. However, if there's a fault in an appliance, and the current carrying lead is exposed, you can touch the conductor without anything more than severe discomfort (wouldn't even call it pain - this has happened to me with a bad light socket). I doubt you could pull this off with 220V.</p></div></blockquote><p>Unfortunately, you'd be wrong on both accounts.</p><p>First of all, current kills, not potential difference (=voltage). Both 110 and 220V are plenty to overcome the resistance of the human body so from that perspective there's hardly a difference.</p><p>Secondly, many appliances can *really* do with 220V (actually, it's even 230V). For example: tumble dryer, oven (electrical), washing machine, dish washer, electrical stoves and basically anything that needs to heat water. Nearly all of those are manufactured to draw about 2000-2500W maximum, which makes for a current of about 10A (at 230V). Ovens and stoves may even draw much more - induction stoves can often draw about 7000W. Good luck doing that at 110V...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>220V is too much for everyday electronics .
Why does your vacuum cleaner or table lamp need 220V ?
I do understand that the amperage is lower ( half ) for the same wattage .
However , if there 's a fault in an appliance , and the current carrying lead is exposed , you can touch the conductor without anything more than severe discomfort ( would n't even call it pain - this has happened to me with a bad light socket ) .
I doubt you could pull this off with 220V.Unfortunately , you 'd be wrong on both accounts.First of all , current kills , not potential difference ( = voltage ) .
Both 110 and 220V are plenty to overcome the resistance of the human body so from that perspective there 's hardly a difference.Secondly , many appliances can * really * do with 220V ( actually , it 's even 230V ) .
For example : tumble dryer , oven ( electrical ) , washing machine , dish washer , electrical stoves and basically anything that needs to heat water .
Nearly all of those are manufactured to draw about 2000-2500W maximum , which makes for a current of about 10A ( at 230V ) .
Ovens and stoves may even draw much more - induction stoves can often draw about 7000W .
Good luck doing that at 110V.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>220V is too much for everyday electronics.
Why does your vacuum cleaner or table lamp need 220V?
I do understand that the amperage is lower (half) for the same wattage.
However, if there's a fault in an appliance, and the current carrying lead is exposed, you can touch the conductor without anything more than severe discomfort (wouldn't even call it pain - this has happened to me with a bad light socket).
I doubt you could pull this off with 220V.Unfortunately, you'd be wrong on both accounts.First of all, current kills, not potential difference (=voltage).
Both 110 and 220V are plenty to overcome the resistance of the human body so from that perspective there's hardly a difference.Secondly, many appliances can *really* do with 220V (actually, it's even 230V).
For example: tumble dryer, oven (electrical), washing machine, dish washer, electrical stoves and basically anything that needs to heat water.
Nearly all of those are manufactured to draw about 2000-2500W maximum, which makes for a current of about 10A (at 230V).
Ovens and stoves may even draw much more - induction stoves can often draw about 7000W.
Good luck doing that at 110V...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987170</id>
	<title>Re:Oh yeah?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256989320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you mean bu** plug??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you mean bu * * plug ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you mean bu** plug?
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29993440</id>
	<title>Re:The IEC connector, in all its forms.</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1257428160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>IEC connectors are rated for 15A</i><br>I'm pretty sure the standard only allows for 10A though I have seen some manufacturers claim 15A.</p><p>The same goes for the larger variant, 16A standard but i've seen some manufacturers claim 20A.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IEC connectors are rated for 15AI 'm pretty sure the standard only allows for 10A though I have seen some manufacturers claim 15A.The same goes for the larger variant , 16A standard but i 've seen some manufacturers claim 20A .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IEC connectors are rated for 15AI'm pretty sure the standard only allows for 10A though I have seen some manufacturers claim 15A.The same goes for the larger variant, 16A standard but i've seen some manufacturers claim 20A.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989792</id>
	<title>Re:The IEC connector, in all its forms.</title>
	<author>Animaether</author>
	<datestamp>1257002280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>.You usually see a chassis-mount IEC male connector and a cord-mount female connector, but the reverse forms are available.</p></div></blockquote><p>Anybody who didn't know this should hand in their geek card - it's how computer monitors (the big ol' bulky CRT things) of lore used to get powered.  Not via an extra plug that you have to find an extra outlet for (nowadays via wallwarts/converter bricks for 12V or 24V LCD panels), but via a male male IEC connector going straight into the computer chassis' female IEC connector - usually situated right next to the male IEC connector used to power the PC.  The situation of "at no time are energized pins exposed" thus retained as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>.You usually see a chassis-mount IEC male connector and a cord-mount female connector , but the reverse forms are available.Anybody who did n't know this should hand in their geek card - it 's how computer monitors ( the big ol ' bulky CRT things ) of lore used to get powered .
Not via an extra plug that you have to find an extra outlet for ( nowadays via wallwarts/converter bricks for 12V or 24V LCD panels ) , but via a male male IEC connector going straight into the computer chassis ' female IEC connector - usually situated right next to the male IEC connector used to power the PC .
The situation of " at no time are energized pins exposed " thus retained as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.You usually see a chassis-mount IEC male connector and a cord-mount female connector, but the reverse forms are available.Anybody who didn't know this should hand in their geek card - it's how computer monitors (the big ol' bulky CRT things) of lore used to get powered.
Not via an extra plug that you have to find an extra outlet for (nowadays via wallwarts/converter bricks for 12V or 24V LCD panels), but via a male male IEC connector going straight into the computer chassis' female IEC connector - usually situated right next to the male IEC connector used to power the PC.
The situation of "at no time are energized pins exposed" thus retained as well.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988596</id>
	<title>Re:Just refreshed electrical in my US home...</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1256995440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>and have to almost guarantee that tripping/yanking on a wire will result in the entire flippin outlet getting ripped out of the wall with it.</i><br>I live in the UK and can tell you this is incorrect, usually the plug pops out without damaging anything, very occasionally plug or socket may be damaged. I don't think i've ever seen one ripped out of the wall.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and have to almost guarantee that tripping/yanking on a wire will result in the entire flippin outlet getting ripped out of the wall with it.I live in the UK and can tell you this is incorrect , usually the plug pops out without damaging anything , very occasionally plug or socket may be damaged .
I do n't think i 've ever seen one ripped out of the wall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and have to almost guarantee that tripping/yanking on a wire will result in the entire flippin outlet getting ripped out of the wall with it.I live in the UK and can tell you this is incorrect, usually the plug pops out without damaging anything, very occasionally plug or socket may be damaged.
I don't think i've ever seen one ripped out of the wall.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29999206</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>clone53421</author>
	<datestamp>1257413460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I also suspect this article was meant to be humourous.</p></div><p>You think? Personally I thought the clue was when he defined "objective" to mean exactly the opposite of its usual meaning.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also suspect this article was meant to be humourous.You think ?
Personally I thought the clue was when he defined " objective " to mean exactly the opposite of its usual meaning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also suspect this article was meant to be humourous.You think?
Personally I thought the clue was when he defined "objective" to mean exactly the opposite of its usual meaning.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987032</id>
	<title>Re:What a BOGUS article</title>
	<author>jo\_ham</author>
	<datestamp>1256988780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That "current UK tech" *is* from 50 years ago - that's how our plugs have been for a very long time - since 1946 in fact. So 63 years.</p><p>We also have RCDs on our circuits in addition to fuses - Even the ancient house I live in has an RCD protecting the mains sockets and the light circuits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That " current UK tech " * is * from 50 years ago - that 's how our plugs have been for a very long time - since 1946 in fact .
So 63 years.We also have RCDs on our circuits in addition to fuses - Even the ancient house I live in has an RCD protecting the mains sockets and the light circuits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That "current UK tech" *is* from 50 years ago - that's how our plugs have been for a very long time - since 1946 in fact.
So 63 years.We also have RCDs on our circuits in addition to fuses - Even the ancient house I live in has an RCD protecting the mains sockets and the light circuits.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989586</id>
	<title>Brazil got it</title>
	<author>luizd</author>
	<datestamp>1257000600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think this "no one" is Brazil. Starting in Jan/2010, all electric devices will use this new plug.
<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC\_60906-1" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC\_60906-1</a> [wikipedia.org] <br>
<a href="http://translate.google.com.br/translate?js=y&amp;prev=\_t&amp;hl=pt-BR&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.inmetro.gov.br\%2Fpluguesetomadas\%2Fduvidas.asp&amp;sl=pt&amp;tl=en&amp;history\_state0=" title="google.com.br" rel="nofollow">http://translate.google.com.br/translate?js=y&amp;prev=\_t&amp;hl=pt-BR&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.inmetro.gov.br\%2Fpluguesetomadas\%2Fduvidas.asp&amp;sl=pt&amp;tl=en&amp;history\_state0=</a> [google.com.br]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this " no one " is Brazil .
Starting in Jan/2010 , all electric devices will use this new plug .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC \ _60906-1 [ wikipedia.org ] http : //translate.google.com.br/translate ? js = y&amp;prev = \ _t&amp;hl = pt-BR&amp;ie = UTF-8&amp;u = http \ % 3A \ % 2F \ % 2Fwww.inmetro.gov.br \ % 2Fpluguesetomadas \ % 2Fduvidas.asp&amp;sl = pt&amp;tl = en&amp;history \ _state0 = [ google.com.br ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this "no one" is Brazil.
Starting in Jan/2010, all electric devices will use this new plug.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC\_60906-1 [wikipedia.org] 
http://translate.google.com.br/translate?js=y&amp;prev=\_t&amp;hl=pt-BR&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.inmetro.gov.br\%2Fpluguesetomadas\%2Fduvidas.asp&amp;sl=pt&amp;tl=en&amp;history\_state0= [google.com.br]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987346</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>garnser</author>
	<datestamp>1256989920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I do understand that the amperage is lower (half) for the same wattage.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...
That's opposed to the 220V at 40A...</p></div><p>So lets get this straight, V*A=W

American 110V*15A=1650W
"European" 220V*40A=8800W

Having lived in both Europe and the US the 220V systems generally has a 10/16A fuse giving 2200/3520W, 550/1870W more than the "standard" American one. Going above this one tends to install 3-phase systems running at 380V @ 24-60A in Europe or 208V @ 30-60A in the US depending on the specific need.

Try to deploy a high-density rack (15kW) with 110V it's so much fun compared to a 220/380V system...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do understand that the amperage is lower ( half ) for the same wattage .
.. . That 's opposed to the 220V at 40A...So lets get this straight , V * A = W American 110V * 15A = 1650W " European " 220V * 40A = 8800W Having lived in both Europe and the US the 220V systems generally has a 10/16A fuse giving 2200/3520W , 550/1870W more than the " standard " American one .
Going above this one tends to install 3-phase systems running at 380V @ 24-60A in Europe or 208V @ 30-60A in the US depending on the specific need .
Try to deploy a high-density rack ( 15kW ) with 110V it 's so much fun compared to a 220/380V system.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do understand that the amperage is lower (half) for the same wattage.
...
That's opposed to the 220V at 40A...So lets get this straight, V*A=W

American 110V*15A=1650W
"European" 220V*40A=8800W

Having lived in both Europe and the US the 220V systems generally has a 10/16A fuse giving 2200/3520W, 550/1870W more than the "standard" American one.
Going above this one tends to install 3-phase systems running at 380V @ 24-60A in Europe or 208V @ 30-60A in the US depending on the specific need.
Try to deploy a high-density rack (15kW) with 110V it's so much fun compared to a 220/380V system...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.30002422</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257433200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There's a reason you don't see many electric kettles in the U.S... they take longer than the stove to <i>almost</i> boil a pot of water, compared to the 20 seconds or so you get in the UK for a rolling boil.</p></div><p>Or, because we drink coffee instead.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a reason you do n't see many electric kettles in the U.S... they take longer than the stove to almost boil a pot of water , compared to the 20 seconds or so you get in the UK for a rolling boil.Or , because we drink coffee instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a reason you don't see many electric kettles in the U.S... they take longer than the stove to almost boil a pot of water, compared to the 20 seconds or so you get in the UK for a rolling boil.Or, because we drink coffee instead.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984486</id>
	<title>What a BOGUS article</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1256980320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They are comparing American tech from nearly 50 years ago, to UK current tech. Amazing. The double bladed American that they looked IS around, BUT, none of the homes built after early 1960s are allowed to use. ALL have the double blade, with a single pin (ground or earth). Whats more, since the 70's, America does not use fuses. We use Circuit Breakers, and since the mid 80's have required GFCI on all our lines. Screw the SLOW BURNING FUSE that allows a heck of a charge before blowing. I have to say that I prefer the gfci/cb approach since it is much faster acting and always assured</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are comparing American tech from nearly 50 years ago , to UK current tech .
Amazing. The double bladed American that they looked IS around , BUT , none of the homes built after early 1960s are allowed to use .
ALL have the double blade , with a single pin ( ground or earth ) .
Whats more , since the 70 's , America does not use fuses .
We use Circuit Breakers , and since the mid 80 's have required GFCI on all our lines .
Screw the SLOW BURNING FUSE that allows a heck of a charge before blowing .
I have to say that I prefer the gfci/cb approach since it is much faster acting and always assured</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are comparing American tech from nearly 50 years ago, to UK current tech.
Amazing. The double bladed American that they looked IS around, BUT, none of the homes built after early 1960s are allowed to use.
ALL have the double blade, with a single pin (ground or earth).
Whats more, since the 70's, America does not use fuses.
We use Circuit Breakers, and since the mid 80's have required GFCI on all our lines.
Screw the SLOW BURNING FUSE that allows a heck of a charge before blowing.
I have to say that I prefer the gfci/cb approach since it is much faster acting and always assured</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986684</id>
	<title>Electrical socket jingoism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now I've seen it all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now I 've seen it all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now I've seen it all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29990880</id>
	<title>Re:Just refreshed electrical in my US home...</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1257010440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My house is from 1927. I have every US example in that article somewhere in my house... hell, in my basement I have live cloth-insulated wires, that's fun. (Or cloth not-insulated-anymore wires, since that cloth insulation rots off in 80 years, whoda thunk it.)</p><p>Anyway, I had an electrician come in to put in a dedicated circuit for my computer setup, add a few more outlets in the kitchen, and add an outlet for my shaver in the bathroom. He was pretty impressed. He had to tear out a lot of the older stuff because of newer standards, but he didn't touch anything he didn't have to by law. So I still have cloth-insulated live wires in the basement.</p><p>IIRC, my kitchen circuit goes through a 30 amp fuse box (the well-designed kind you could jam with pennies), and then into a 20 amp breaker in the basement.</p><p>Completely unrelated point: why are breaker boxes always put in the darkest corners of the house? Does it never occur to electricians that we might need to get to the breaker box WITH THE LIGHTS OFF!?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My house is from 1927 .
I have every US example in that article somewhere in my house... hell , in my basement I have live cloth-insulated wires , that 's fun .
( Or cloth not-insulated-anymore wires , since that cloth insulation rots off in 80 years , whoda thunk it .
) Anyway , I had an electrician come in to put in a dedicated circuit for my computer setup , add a few more outlets in the kitchen , and add an outlet for my shaver in the bathroom .
He was pretty impressed .
He had to tear out a lot of the older stuff because of newer standards , but he did n't touch anything he did n't have to by law .
So I still have cloth-insulated live wires in the basement.IIRC , my kitchen circuit goes through a 30 amp fuse box ( the well-designed kind you could jam with pennies ) , and then into a 20 amp breaker in the basement.Completely unrelated point : why are breaker boxes always put in the darkest corners of the house ?
Does it never occur to electricians that we might need to get to the breaker box WITH THE LIGHTS OFF !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My house is from 1927.
I have every US example in that article somewhere in my house... hell, in my basement I have live cloth-insulated wires, that's fun.
(Or cloth not-insulated-anymore wires, since that cloth insulation rots off in 80 years, whoda thunk it.
)Anyway, I had an electrician come in to put in a dedicated circuit for my computer setup, add a few more outlets in the kitchen, and add an outlet for my shaver in the bathroom.
He was pretty impressed.
He had to tear out a lot of the older stuff because of newer standards, but he didn't touch anything he didn't have to by law.
So I still have cloth-insulated live wires in the basement.IIRC, my kitchen circuit goes through a 30 amp fuse box (the well-designed kind you could jam with pennies), and then into a 20 amp breaker in the basement.Completely unrelated point: why are breaker boxes always put in the darkest corners of the house?
Does it never occur to electricians that we might need to get to the breaker box WITH THE LIGHTS OFF!
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992406</id>
	<title>Re:Is this really front page news?</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1257416280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This one gets the electrical nuts out of the woodwork</p></div><p>"Electrical nuts"? Woodwork? This is a very unorthodox form of electronic engineering. Were you taught by squirrels, perchance?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This one gets the electrical nuts out of the woodwork " Electrical nuts " ?
Woodwork ? This is a very unorthodox form of electronic engineering .
Were you taught by squirrels , perchance ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This one gets the electrical nuts out of the woodwork"Electrical nuts"?
Woodwork? This is a very unorthodox form of electronic engineering.
Were you taught by squirrels, perchance?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983862</id>
	<title>Safety?</title>
	<author>HockeyPuck</author>
	<datestamp>1257021540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go with a nice IEC 309 connector.  Water/dust proof and if you trip on it, it's not coming apart.  Though the NEMA twis lock ones (Nema LX-YY) are nice too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go with a nice IEC 309 connector .
Water/dust proof and if you trip on it , it 's not coming apart .
Though the NEMA twis lock ones ( Nema LX-YY ) are nice too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go with a nice IEC 309 connector.
Water/dust proof and if you trip on it, it's not coming apart.
Though the NEMA twis lock ones (Nema LX-YY) are nice too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988126</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Sinical</author>
	<datestamp>1256993220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Secondly, many appliances can *really* do with 220V (actually, it's even 230V). For example: tumble dryer, oven (electrical), washing machine, dish washer, electrical stoves and basically anything that needs to heat water. Nearly all of those are manufactured to draw about 2000-2500W maximum, which makes for a current of about 10A (at 230V). Ovens and stoves may even draw much more - induction stoves can often draw about 7000W. Good luck doing that at 110V...</p></div></blockquote><p>There are separate 220V circuits for these in U.S. homes.  In my apartment, I know that my dryer is on a 220V circuit, and I presume the same of my electric oven and dishwasher.  I don't know if these share at all.  I'm pretty sure I've had the oven on while drying clothes and running the dishwasher at some point in my life (maybe just once or something...).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Secondly , many appliances can * really * do with 220V ( actually , it 's even 230V ) .
For example : tumble dryer , oven ( electrical ) , washing machine , dish washer , electrical stoves and basically anything that needs to heat water .
Nearly all of those are manufactured to draw about 2000-2500W maximum , which makes for a current of about 10A ( at 230V ) .
Ovens and stoves may even draw much more - induction stoves can often draw about 7000W .
Good luck doing that at 110V...There are separate 220V circuits for these in U.S. homes. In my apartment , I know that my dryer is on a 220V circuit , and I presume the same of my electric oven and dishwasher .
I do n't know if these share at all .
I 'm pretty sure I 've had the oven on while drying clothes and running the dishwasher at some point in my life ( maybe just once or something... ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Secondly, many appliances can *really* do with 220V (actually, it's even 230V).
For example: tumble dryer, oven (electrical), washing machine, dish washer, electrical stoves and basically anything that needs to heat water.
Nearly all of those are manufactured to draw about 2000-2500W maximum, which makes for a current of about 10A (at 230V).
Ovens and stoves may even draw much more - induction stoves can often draw about 7000W.
Good luck doing that at 110V...There are separate 220V circuits for these in U.S. homes.  In my apartment, I know that my dryer is on a 220V circuit, and I presume the same of my electric oven and dishwasher.
I don't know if these share at all.
I'm pretty sure I've had the oven on while drying clothes and running the dishwasher at some point in my life (maybe just once or something...).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986778</id>
	<title>Re:Aha! Time for my favorite indie design this yea</title>
	<author>Chuck Chunder</author>
	<datestamp>1256987580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.minkyu.co.uk/Site/Product/Entries/2009/4/20\_Folding\_Plug\_System\_files/choi\_(uk\_folding\_plug)05.jpg" title="minkyu.co.uk">Doh!</a> [minkyu.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Doh !
[ minkyu.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doh!
[minkyu.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983464</id>
	<title>OMG Ponies!</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1257020400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>US plug design makes the cutest face. (Well, okay, the face actually looks kind of like the original <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/STMenagerie.jpg" title="wikimedia.org">Capt. Pike</a> [wikimedia.org], but still better than theirs.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>US plug design makes the cutest face .
( Well , okay , the face actually looks kind of like the original Capt .
Pike [ wikimedia.org ] , but still better than theirs .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>US plug design makes the cutest face.
(Well, okay, the face actually looks kind of like the original Capt.
Pike [wikimedia.org], but still better than theirs.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983160</id>
	<title>No.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did not agree with the tiny 10-page article that barely had enough substance for 1 physical paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did not agree with the tiny 10-page article that barely had enough substance for 1 physical paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did not agree with the tiny 10-page article that barely had enough substance for 1 physical paper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983872</id>
	<title>Aha! Time for my favorite indie design this year</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257021540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Min-Kyu Choi's Folding UK style plug. All the goodness of the UK plug, none of the bulky crap. <a href="http://www.minkyu.co.uk/Site/Product/Entries/2009/4/20\_Folding\_Plug\_System.html" title="minkyu.co.uk">http://www.minkyu.co.uk/Site/Product/Entries/2009/4/20\_Folding\_Plug\_System.html</a> [minkyu.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Min-Kyu Choi 's Folding UK style plug .
All the goodness of the UK plug , none of the bulky crap .
http : //www.minkyu.co.uk/Site/Product/Entries/2009/4/20 \ _Folding \ _Plug \ _System.html [ minkyu.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Min-Kyu Choi's Folding UK style plug.
All the goodness of the UK plug, none of the bulky crap.
http://www.minkyu.co.uk/Site/Product/Entries/2009/4/20\_Folding\_Plug\_System.html [minkyu.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986194</id>
	<title>17th Edition Wiring Regulations (UK)</title>
	<author>GuyFawkes</author>
	<datestamp>1256985420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.theiet.org/publishing/books/wir-reg/17th-edition.cfm" title="theiet.org">http://www.theiet.org/publishing/books/wir-reg/17th-edition.cfm</a> [theiet.org]</p><p>Basically ALL electrical wiring, home or hotel or workplace, has to meet the standard.</p><p>Yes, UK plugs have fuses, sockets have switches, L/N are shielded, the plug has a cable anchor, and if you REALLY pull the wires out of the plug it is designed so the live, being shortest, comes out first.</p><p>But before the power gets to the socket it has to go through the "consumer unit" which carries RCD AND (over current) Breakers for each wiring loop.</p><p>People dying of electrocution in the UK is so rare I can't remember the last incident.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.theiet.org/publishing/books/wir-reg/17th-edition.cfm [ theiet.org ] Basically ALL electrical wiring , home or hotel or workplace , has to meet the standard.Yes , UK plugs have fuses , sockets have switches , L/N are shielded , the plug has a cable anchor , and if you REALLY pull the wires out of the plug it is designed so the live , being shortest , comes out first.But before the power gets to the socket it has to go through the " consumer unit " which carries RCD AND ( over current ) Breakers for each wiring loop.People dying of electrocution in the UK is so rare I ca n't remember the last incident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.theiet.org/publishing/books/wir-reg/17th-edition.cfm [theiet.org]Basically ALL electrical wiring, home or hotel or workplace, has to meet the standard.Yes, UK plugs have fuses, sockets have switches, L/N are shielded, the plug has a cable anchor, and if you REALLY pull the wires out of the plug it is designed so the live, being shortest, comes out first.But before the power gets to the socket it has to go through the "consumer unit" which carries RCD AND (over current) Breakers for each wiring loop.People dying of electrocution in the UK is so rare I can't remember the last incident.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984084</id>
	<title>Twist Lock 4 ever!</title>
	<author>tweedlebait</author>
	<datestamp>1257022260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someday all the sockets in my house will be replaced with them.<br>And I will play Jungle Hunt from the garage ceiling plugs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someday all the sockets in my house will be replaced with them.And I will play Jungle Hunt from the garage ceiling plugs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someday all the sockets in my house will be replaced with them.And I will play Jungle Hunt from the garage ceiling plugs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988984</id>
	<title>You fail ohms law</title>
	<author>seanadams.com</author>
	<datestamp>1256997360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>First of all, current kills, not potential difference (=voltage). Both 110 and 220V are plenty to overcome the resistance of the human body so from that perspective there's hardly a difference.</i></p><p>Yes, current kills... about 0.1 amps across the chest cavity would be lethal. So does it make any difference whatsoever if the outlet is rated for 15 A @ 220 vs 30 amps at 110? No.</p><p>Ohms law: I = V/R</p><p>Current is proportional to voltage. On contact with 220V, all else being equal, DOUBLE the current goes through your body as compared to 110V. That's double the pain, or half the skin resistance needed to be lethal. This is simple ohms law, it is NOT a situation like a spark gap where there is some threshold to "overcome" the resistance. Also, skin resistance is not a fixed value, it depends on moisture, the amount of contact area, and the amount of pressure on contact.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , current kills , not potential difference ( = voltage ) .
Both 110 and 220V are plenty to overcome the resistance of the human body so from that perspective there 's hardly a difference.Yes , current kills... about 0.1 amps across the chest cavity would be lethal .
So does it make any difference whatsoever if the outlet is rated for 15 A @ 220 vs 30 amps at 110 ?
No.Ohms law : I = V/RCurrent is proportional to voltage .
On contact with 220V , all else being equal , DOUBLE the current goes through your body as compared to 110V .
That 's double the pain , or half the skin resistance needed to be lethal .
This is simple ohms law , it is NOT a situation like a spark gap where there is some threshold to " overcome " the resistance .
Also , skin resistance is not a fixed value , it depends on moisture , the amount of contact area , and the amount of pressure on contact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, current kills, not potential difference (=voltage).
Both 110 and 220V are plenty to overcome the resistance of the human body so from that perspective there's hardly a difference.Yes, current kills... about 0.1 amps across the chest cavity would be lethal.
So does it make any difference whatsoever if the outlet is rated for 15 A @ 220 vs 30 amps at 110?
No.Ohms law: I = V/RCurrent is proportional to voltage.
On contact with 220V, all else being equal, DOUBLE the current goes through your body as compared to 110V.
That's double the pain, or half the skin resistance needed to be lethal.
This is simple ohms law, it is NOT a situation like a spark gap where there is some threshold to "overcome" the resistance.
Also, skin resistance is not a fixed value, it depends on moisture, the amount of contact area, and the amount of pressure on contact.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989754</id>
	<title>Re:12V</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1257001800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I actually spent quite a bit of time looking into this recently and finally discovered that the HAM community has already got this figured out - the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC\_connector#Anderson\_Powerpole\_connectors" title="wikipedia.org">Powerpole</a> [wikipedia.org] connector.</p><p>I'm going to convert our automobiles over shortly, make or buy a few adapters in case we ever need to get a rental.  I'm so sick of buying these 12V outlet multipliers that keep failing, popping out, etc.  One saved traffic ticket from the RADAR detector not creeping out of contact and the project is paid for.</p><p>Anybody have a good reference for installing a new circuit in a car?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually spent quite a bit of time looking into this recently and finally discovered that the HAM community has already got this figured out - the Powerpole [ wikipedia.org ] connector.I 'm going to convert our automobiles over shortly , make or buy a few adapters in case we ever need to get a rental .
I 'm so sick of buying these 12V outlet multipliers that keep failing , popping out , etc .
One saved traffic ticket from the RADAR detector not creeping out of contact and the project is paid for.Anybody have a good reference for installing a new circuit in a car ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually spent quite a bit of time looking into this recently and finally discovered that the HAM community has already got this figured out - the Powerpole [wikipedia.org] connector.I'm going to convert our automobiles over shortly, make or buy a few adapters in case we ever need to get a rental.
I'm so sick of buying these 12V outlet multipliers that keep failing, popping out, etc.
One saved traffic ticket from the RADAR detector not creeping out of contact and the project is paid for.Anybody have a good reference for installing a new circuit in a car?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986510</id>
	<title>Voltage is different too</title>
	<author>rossdee</author>
	<datestamp>1256986620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So different countries have different plugs. They also have different voltages. Don't you think its a good idea to prevent appliances designed for 110VAC to be plugged into 220-249V outlets?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So different countries have different plugs .
They also have different voltages .
Do n't you think its a good idea to prevent appliances designed for 110VAC to be plugged into 220-249V outlets ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So different countries have different plugs.
They also have different voltages.
Don't you think its a good idea to prevent appliances designed for 110VAC to be plugged into 220-249V outlets?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987290</id>
	<title>Thailand Plugs</title>
	<author>Orion Blastar</author>
	<datestamp>1256989740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.educationabroadnetwork.org/?id=64" title="educationa...etwork.org">They are better than US plugs</a> [educationa...etwork.org] and can take two types of plugs. The US type plug and the round pins used in European and Asian countries.</p><p>I think having a plug system that is compatible with foreign plugs is a better system than the UK system which needs adapter plugs.</p><p>Also the US plug in the article is based on the plug system they had before the three prong grounded plug system. For washers and dryers we have the 220 volt plugs. We use 110 Volts because it saves energy for small appliances and use the 220 Volt plugs for the heavy duty stuff like washers and drivers and industrial machinery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are better than US plugs [ educationa...etwork.org ] and can take two types of plugs .
The US type plug and the round pins used in European and Asian countries.I think having a plug system that is compatible with foreign plugs is a better system than the UK system which needs adapter plugs.Also the US plug in the article is based on the plug system they had before the three prong grounded plug system .
For washers and dryers we have the 220 volt plugs .
We use 110 Volts because it saves energy for small appliances and use the 220 Volt plugs for the heavy duty stuff like washers and drivers and industrial machinery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are better than US plugs [educationa...etwork.org] and can take two types of plugs.
The US type plug and the round pins used in European and Asian countries.I think having a plug system that is compatible with foreign plugs is a better system than the UK system which needs adapter plugs.Also the US plug in the article is based on the plug system they had before the three prong grounded plug system.
For washers and dryers we have the 220 volt plugs.
We use 110 Volts because it saves energy for small appliances and use the 220 Volt plugs for the heavy duty stuff like washers and drivers and industrial machinery.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986440</id>
	<title>Re:Just refreshed electrical in my US home...</title>
	<author>malkavian</author>
	<datestamp>1256986380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, they're easy to pull out and put in (plugs are shaped to have good grasp).<br>Tripped over many, and never done damage to the wall sockets (they're put in pretty solidly).<br>After doing a fair bit of travelling round the world (China, Russia, Indonesia, USA, Italy, Germany, Spain, France etc.) I still prefer the solidity of the connection of the UK plugs.  Not tried the Australian ones, Danish or Swiss yet..  Maybe I need to travel there again to check!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , they 're easy to pull out and put in ( plugs are shaped to have good grasp ) .Tripped over many , and never done damage to the wall sockets ( they 're put in pretty solidly ) .After doing a fair bit of travelling round the world ( China , Russia , Indonesia , USA , Italy , Germany , Spain , France etc .
) I still prefer the solidity of the connection of the UK plugs .
Not tried the Australian ones , Danish or Swiss yet.. Maybe I need to travel there again to check !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, they're easy to pull out and put in (plugs are shaped to have good grasp).Tripped over many, and never done damage to the wall sockets (they're put in pretty solidly).After doing a fair bit of travelling round the world (China, Russia, Indonesia, USA, Italy, Germany, Spain, France etc.
) I still prefer the solidity of the connection of the UK plugs.
Not tried the Australian ones, Danish or Swiss yet..  Maybe I need to travel there again to check!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983204</id>
	<title>PoW</title>
	<author>arhhook</author>
	<datestamp>1257019740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder what happens when Power over Wireless becomes widely used.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder what happens when Power over Wireless becomes widely used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder what happens when Power over Wireless becomes widely used.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992664</id>
	<title>Re:Non-optimal</title>
	<author>qc\_dk</author>
	<datestamp>1257419220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The reason for the fused wire is for the same reason the brits have a crappy rail service. The brits were there first. So they had already wired their houses and it was much easier to fuse the plugs, than rewiring the house to a new central fuseboard, and so a majestic hack was born.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason for the fused wire is for the same reason the brits have a crappy rail service .
The brits were there first .
So they had already wired their houses and it was much easier to fuse the plugs , than rewiring the house to a new central fuseboard , and so a majestic hack was born .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason for the fused wire is for the same reason the brits have a crappy rail service.
The brits were there first.
So they had already wired their houses and it was much easier to fuse the plugs, than rewiring the house to a new central fuseboard, and so a majestic hack was born.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989624</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257000840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A standard UK system will also consist of ring &amp; spurs, much as you describe. In my house I have 3 ring mains - downstairs, upstairs &amp; kitchen. My oven, microwave, hob &amp; shower run on dedicated circuits. Current regs say you have to have RCD in your fuse box, so driving a nail through the cable usually trips that out before anything bad happens.</p><p>New builds generally have kinda a tree structure of circuits - split through 2/3 rcd then down to circuits. Also UK houses are generally smaller - I doubt I have 30 outlets in the whole house.</p><p>As already mentioned it's the current that kills, not the voltage and getting stung with 230 isn't all that bad (after you've jumped &amp; sworn at it)</p><p>US plugs scare me though. It's what you're used to &amp; I didn't like the blue sparks when I plugged my laptop in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A standard UK system will also consist of ring &amp; spurs , much as you describe .
In my house I have 3 ring mains - downstairs , upstairs &amp; kitchen .
My oven , microwave , hob &amp; shower run on dedicated circuits .
Current regs say you have to have RCD in your fuse box , so driving a nail through the cable usually trips that out before anything bad happens.New builds generally have kinda a tree structure of circuits - split through 2/3 rcd then down to circuits .
Also UK houses are generally smaller - I doubt I have 30 outlets in the whole house.As already mentioned it 's the current that kills , not the voltage and getting stung with 230 is n't all that bad ( after you 've jumped &amp; sworn at it ) US plugs scare me though .
It 's what you 're used to &amp; I did n't like the blue sparks when I plugged my laptop in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A standard UK system will also consist of ring &amp; spurs, much as you describe.
In my house I have 3 ring mains - downstairs, upstairs &amp; kitchen.
My oven, microwave, hob &amp; shower run on dedicated circuits.
Current regs say you have to have RCD in your fuse box, so driving a nail through the cable usually trips that out before anything bad happens.New builds generally have kinda a tree structure of circuits - split through 2/3 rcd then down to circuits.
Also UK houses are generally smaller - I doubt I have 30 outlets in the whole house.As already mentioned it's the current that kills, not the voltage and getting stung with 230 isn't all that bad (after you've jumped &amp; sworn at it)US plugs scare me though.
It's what you're used to &amp; I didn't like the blue sparks when I plugged my laptop in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992650</id>
	<title>Re:The IEC connector, in all its forms.</title>
	<author>MattBurke</author>
	<datestamp>1257419100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are indeed good connectors and are fantastic in server racks or on the backs of UPSs, but I wouldn't fancy switching my UK plugs for them anywhere else. Having to change a fuse in the wall socket when you want to unplug a phone charger and plug in a 3kW heater? No thanks...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are indeed good connectors and are fantastic in server racks or on the backs of UPSs , but I would n't fancy switching my UK plugs for them anywhere else .
Having to change a fuse in the wall socket when you want to unplug a phone charger and plug in a 3kW heater ?
No thanks.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are indeed good connectors and are fantastic in server racks or on the backs of UPSs, but I wouldn't fancy switching my UK plugs for them anywhere else.
Having to change a fuse in the wall socket when you want to unplug a phone charger and plug in a 3kW heater?
No thanks...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992170</id>
	<title>Re:Europlug and the stupid British socket</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1257413280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've never need to do this.  I don't think I've ever seen a European plug inverted either.  Can't be that useful.</p><p>Honestly, the european plug is fine.  So's the UK style.  The article was stupid, but it's equally stupid getting upset over it.</p></div><p>The upside down thing is quite ok, although it is not that important, but it is nice to be able to plug in the cable the way they currently fit best.<br>This is a pretty awesome feature for extension fuse boxes which can hold 4-16 additional sockets, often you simply have the problem of having the<br>cable or power brick on the plug being enforced into a certain direction, being able to plug it in upside down or normally can help a lot to get all the cables in.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never need to do this .
I do n't think I 've ever seen a European plug inverted either .
Ca n't be that useful.Honestly , the european plug is fine .
So 's the UK style .
The article was stupid , but it 's equally stupid getting upset over it.The upside down thing is quite ok , although it is not that important , but it is nice to be able to plug in the cable the way they currently fit best.This is a pretty awesome feature for extension fuse boxes which can hold 4-16 additional sockets , often you simply have the problem of having thecable or power brick on the plug being enforced into a certain direction , being able to plug it in upside down or normally can help a lot to get all the cables in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never need to do this.
I don't think I've ever seen a European plug inverted either.
Can't be that useful.Honestly, the european plug is fine.
So's the UK style.
The article was stupid, but it's equally stupid getting upset over it.The upside down thing is quite ok, although it is not that important, but it is nice to be able to plug in the cable the way they currently fit best.This is a pretty awesome feature for extension fuse boxes which can hold 4-16 additional sockets, often you simply have the problem of having thecable or power brick on the plug being enforced into a certain direction, being able to plug it in upside down or normally can help a lot to get all the cables in.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29999210</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257413460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Er, the US has 2-phase plugs as well.<br>I think its better to have special plugs for devices that need that kind of power, instead of all over the house.</p><p>And anything beyond that should have a dedicated connection instead of an outlet anyway...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Er , the US has 2-phase plugs as well.I think its better to have special plugs for devices that need that kind of power , instead of all over the house.And anything beyond that should have a dedicated connection instead of an outlet anyway.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Er, the US has 2-phase plugs as well.I think its better to have special plugs for devices that need that kind of power, instead of all over the house.And anything beyond that should have a dedicated connection instead of an outlet anyway...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988144</id>
	<title>Re:objective my ass...</title>
	<author>Avalain</author>
	<datestamp>1256993220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think someone didn't read the fine print in TFA. Here, let me quote it for you.
<br> <br>
"Objectivity in this sentence has a one-off, government-approved change in definition. Its meaning here, and only here, is the exact opposite of what it usually means."</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think someone did n't read the fine print in TFA .
Here , let me quote it for you .
" Objectivity in this sentence has a one-off , government-approved change in definition .
Its meaning here , and only here , is the exact opposite of what it usually means .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think someone didn't read the fine print in TFA.
Here, let me quote it for you.
"Objectivity in this sentence has a one-off, government-approved change in definition.
Its meaning here, and only here, is the exact opposite of what it usually means.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985480</id>
	<title>I prefer the wetware socket</title>
	<author>itsybitsy</author>
	<datestamp>1256983380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I prefer the female wetware socket... it fits well and it is an international standard. Although at times care and cleaning may be required when it's reverse gets used. Also note that the third socket contains dangers such as exposed bones yet does offer effective release of energy transfer and is highly rated. Overall three potent sockets in one package. Of course if you're bent the other way you only get two sockets to work with and reportedly they are just as highly rated. Enjoy your sockets and prongs responsibly and remember to always protect your prong and sockets using the appropriate wrapper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I prefer the female wetware socket... it fits well and it is an international standard .
Although at times care and cleaning may be required when it 's reverse gets used .
Also note that the third socket contains dangers such as exposed bones yet does offer effective release of energy transfer and is highly rated .
Overall three potent sockets in one package .
Of course if you 're bent the other way you only get two sockets to work with and reportedly they are just as highly rated .
Enjoy your sockets and prongs responsibly and remember to always protect your prong and sockets using the appropriate wrapper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I prefer the female wetware socket... it fits well and it is an international standard.
Although at times care and cleaning may be required when it's reverse gets used.
Also note that the third socket contains dangers such as exposed bones yet does offer effective release of energy transfer and is highly rated.
Overall three potent sockets in one package.
Of course if you're bent the other way you only get two sockets to work with and reportedly they are just as highly rated.
Enjoy your sockets and prongs responsibly and remember to always protect your prong and sockets using the appropriate wrapper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987624</id>
	<title>Voltage Danger</title>
	<author>omb</author>
	<datestamp>1256990940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Again, Slashdot nonsense,<br><br>I have been working on &gt;= 130v for more than 80\% of my lifetime, hints:<br><br>1. it isnt always voltage, 45V at INF amps, or eg a car battery can be VERY dangerous<br><br>2. &lt;30V AC/DC pussy<br><br>3. You will feel 130VAC but it dosnt hurt and wont kill healthy people<br><br>4. 250V hurts DC&gt;AC and is borderline dangerous, but I still get shocks at 65<br><br>5. 440VAC is potenially lethal, be very careful<br><br>6. 11,000 V+ I hope your affairs are in order, RIP, Insulated tools, gloves, rubber mat, one hand behind your back<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Again , Slashdot nonsense,I have been working on &gt; = 130v for more than 80 \ % of my lifetime , hints : 1. it isnt always voltage , 45V at INF amps , or eg a car battery can be VERY dangerous2 .
3. You will feel 130VAC but it dosnt hurt and wont kill healthy people4 .
250V hurts DC &gt; AC and is borderline dangerous , but I still get shocks at 655 .
440VAC is potenially lethal , be very careful6 .
11,000 V + I hope your affairs are in order , RIP , Insulated tools , gloves , rubber mat , one hand behind your back .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Again, Slashdot nonsense,I have been working on &gt;= 130v for more than 80\% of my lifetime, hints:1. it isnt always voltage, 45V at INF amps, or eg a car battery can be VERY dangerous2.
3. You will feel 130VAC but it dosnt hurt and wont kill healthy people4.
250V hurts DC&gt;AC and is borderline dangerous, but I still get shocks at 655.
440VAC is potenially lethal, be very careful6.
11,000 V+ I hope your affairs are in order, RIP, Insulated tools, gloves, rubber mat, one hand behind your back ...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986904</id>
	<title>Re:As I found out on my trip from the US to the UK</title>
	<author>jo\_ham</author>
	<datestamp>1256988180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Almost all laptop power bricks use switching transformers - it means they don;t have to make a specific model for each country they sell the laptop in. Even my UK-spec iMac, which was never designed to travel runs just fine on US or UK power - it'll run on anything between 110 and 250V and 50 or 60Hz.</p><p>Apple's brick has a standard figure 8 connector (albeit with a fancy Apple-design slide-and-clip if you use the plug block or one of their official cables) so you can use a standard figure 8 flex cord with it here in the UK - if you have to travel back here, just buy one at duty free, it'll cost you about &pound;2 - no need to buy an official Apple power cable for it.</p><p><a href="http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Cabling/Power/Power+Lead+(Figure+8+Connector)+UK+3pin+?productId=58" title="aria.co.uk">http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Cabling/Power/Power+Lead+(Figure+8+Connector)+UK+3pin+?productId=58</a> [aria.co.uk] - these plug right into Apple's power bricks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost all laptop power bricks use switching transformers - it means they don ; t have to make a specific model for each country they sell the laptop in .
Even my UK-spec iMac , which was never designed to travel runs just fine on US or UK power - it 'll run on anything between 110 and 250V and 50 or 60Hz.Apple 's brick has a standard figure 8 connector ( albeit with a fancy Apple-design slide-and-clip if you use the plug block or one of their official cables ) so you can use a standard figure 8 flex cord with it here in the UK - if you have to travel back here , just buy one at duty free , it 'll cost you about   2 - no need to buy an official Apple power cable for it.http : //www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Cabling/Power/Power + Lead + ( Figure + 8 + Connector ) + UK + 3pin + ? productId = 58 [ aria.co.uk ] - these plug right into Apple 's power bricks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost all laptop power bricks use switching transformers - it means they don;t have to make a specific model for each country they sell the laptop in.
Even my UK-spec iMac, which was never designed to travel runs just fine on US or UK power - it'll run on anything between 110 and 250V and 50 or 60Hz.Apple's brick has a standard figure 8 connector (albeit with a fancy Apple-design slide-and-clip if you use the plug block or one of their official cables) so you can use a standard figure 8 flex cord with it here in the UK - if you have to travel back here, just buy one at duty free, it'll cost you about £2 - no need to buy an official Apple power cable for it.http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Cabling/Power/Power+Lead+(Figure+8+Connector)+UK+3pin+?productId=58 [aria.co.uk] - these plug right into Apple's power bricks.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29990662</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1257008520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There's a reason you don't see many electric kettles in the U.S...</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes,<br>1)  Natural gas or Propane is considerably cheaper than electricity.<br>2)  Americans don't drink remotely enough tea and the like to need a special device for it.<br>3)  Americans have coffee makers, not electric kettles.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a reason you do n't see many electric kettles in the U.S...Yes,1 ) Natural gas or Propane is considerably cheaper than electricity.2 ) Americans do n't drink remotely enough tea and the like to need a special device for it.3 ) Americans have coffee makers , not electric kettles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a reason you don't see many electric kettles in the U.S...Yes,1)  Natural gas or Propane is considerably cheaper than electricity.2)  Americans don't drink remotely enough tea and the like to need a special device for it.3)  Americans have coffee makers, not electric kettles.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988668</id>
	<title>Re:3-prong ground loop hum?</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1256995800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>but couldn't you do that with the ground off a polarized connection instead of adding a new different ground?</i><br>You could use the neutral for grounding but it's not considered safe in most situations (there are a few exceptions where special precautions are taken but that is outside of the scope of this discussion) because if the neutral breaks then it will rise up to a dangerous voltage. Using the neutral as earth wouldn't solve the ground loop problem anyway, it is caused by the interaction between stray magnetic fields, mains earth wiring and earths in signal cables.</p><p>For the rest of your questions see the article that "Eric^2" linked</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but could n't you do that with the ground off a polarized connection instead of adding a new different ground ? You could use the neutral for grounding but it 's not considered safe in most situations ( there are a few exceptions where special precautions are taken but that is outside of the scope of this discussion ) because if the neutral breaks then it will rise up to a dangerous voltage .
Using the neutral as earth would n't solve the ground loop problem anyway , it is caused by the interaction between stray magnetic fields , mains earth wiring and earths in signal cables.For the rest of your questions see the article that " Eric ^ 2 " linked</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but couldn't you do that with the ground off a polarized connection instead of adding a new different ground?You could use the neutral for grounding but it's not considered safe in most situations (there are a few exceptions where special precautions are taken but that is outside of the scope of this discussion) because if the neutral breaks then it will rise up to a dangerous voltage.
Using the neutral as earth wouldn't solve the ground loop problem anyway, it is caused by the interaction between stray magnetic fields, mains earth wiring and earths in signal cables.For the rest of your questions see the article that "Eric^2" linked</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989466</id>
	<title>Re:Oh yeah?</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1256999940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Well, the Canada plug is better than the U.S.A. plug!</i></p><p>Somehow those flappy-pronged plugs just never seemed right.</p><p>I kid, I kid, have a Molson, eh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the Canada plug is better than the U.S.A. plug ! Somehow those flappy-pronged plugs just never seemed right.I kid , I kid , have a Molson , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the Canada plug is better than the U.S.A. plug!Somehow those flappy-pronged plugs just never seemed right.I kid, I kid, have a Molson, eh?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989288</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>neonsignal</author>
	<datestamp>1256999100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I think the article forgot an important feature of the Aussie plugs, we deserve a higher rating. We also have a design feature where the ground pin is at the bottom, so that if your fingers accidentally touch the pins as you insert the plug, you are guaranteed to hit the live wire first.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the article forgot an important feature of the Aussie plugs , we deserve a higher rating .
We also have a design feature where the ground pin is at the bottom , so that if your fingers accidentally touch the pins as you insert the plug , you are guaranteed to hit the live wire first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I think the article forgot an important feature of the Aussie plugs, we deserve a higher rating.
We also have a design feature where the ground pin is at the bottom, so that if your fingers accidentally touch the pins as you insert the plug, you are guaranteed to hit the live wire first.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987648</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256991000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, I said that in my post. It's not hiding:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Other appliances, generally those with electric heating elements (such as a range, water heater, furnace, machines such as a tablesaw) run off dedicated 220V circuits.</p></div><p>Every appliance you mention, with the exception of the washer (which receives hot water from the water heater) runs on 220V in the US.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I said that in my post .
It 's not hiding : Other appliances , generally those with electric heating elements ( such as a range , water heater , furnace , machines such as a tablesaw ) run off dedicated 220V circuits.Every appliance you mention , with the exception of the washer ( which receives hot water from the water heater ) runs on 220V in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I said that in my post.
It's not hiding:Other appliances, generally those with electric heating elements (such as a range, water heater, furnace, machines such as a tablesaw) run off dedicated 220V circuits.Every appliance you mention, with the exception of the washer (which receives hot water from the water heater) runs on 220V in the US.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989808</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>aaarrrgggh</author>
	<datestamp>1257002400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Moreover, the mechanical strength of the conductors limits practical sizes to #12-14, eliminating most benefit of higher voltage.  With 230V, you need to be careful to have enough fault current to trip a breaker.</p><p>Also, the US uses 277/480V power for anything that needs real oomph, which both limits the amount of transformations, and provides bigger bulk power and higher torque, all while keeping common plugs at a safe, non-arcing voltage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Moreover , the mechanical strength of the conductors limits practical sizes to # 12-14 , eliminating most benefit of higher voltage .
With 230V , you need to be careful to have enough fault current to trip a breaker.Also , the US uses 277/480V power for anything that needs real oomph , which both limits the amount of transformations , and provides bigger bulk power and higher torque , all while keeping common plugs at a safe , non-arcing voltage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moreover, the mechanical strength of the conductors limits practical sizes to #12-14, eliminating most benefit of higher voltage.
With 230V, you need to be careful to have enough fault current to trip a breaker.Also, the US uses 277/480V power for anything that needs real oomph, which both limits the amount of transformations, and provides bigger bulk power and higher torque, all while keeping common plugs at a safe, non-arcing voltage.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985490</id>
	<title>They fail to....</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1256983380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One thing they fail to see is their design. A Europlug or an American/Japanese style plug is easy to plug in, easy to take out and isn't a huge cord. I'd rather my laptop cable be <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PC\_flex\_with\_CEE\_7-7\_plug.png" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PC\_flex\_with\_CEE\_7-7\_plug.png</a> [wikipedia.org] than <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PC\_flex\_with\_BS\_1363\_plug.png" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PC\_flex\_with\_BS\_1363\_plug.png</a> [wikipedia.org] its a lot easier to carry and use. As for the debate on amps and volts, in all honesty has there been a single thing that you wanted to have but couldn't because it required more power but people in other countries where there are more amps and volts can get? <br> <br>

My favorite line was this <p><div class="quote"><p> And that has left the US with a plug and socket system that makes Chuck Norris weep. Plugs that hang out of the wall. Pins that are so easily bent you could write off a cable just by looking at it in the wrong way. How anyone ever gets their Apple laptop to fully charge without the adaptor falling out of the wall is beyond us. We're not sure why the company bothered inventing Magsafe -- surely if anyone in the US trips over a power cable, it flies out of the wall so fast no laptop could ever be pulled to the ground.</p> </div><p>

Plugs that hang out of the wall? Unless you are living in an ancient building that has decaying sockets I don't see how that happens. None of my cords "hang out of the wall" nor have they. Pins that are so easily bent? Unless you are talking about the pins on Christmas tree lights (which manage to always have -something- wrong with them) I have never had a bent pin in my life from American plugs. And as for tripping, how fast were they running when they managed to trip something out of the wall? Its not that easy. <br> <br>

But in the end I think it is just the "My country is better than your country" crap that seems to be spewed a lot.</p></div>
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<tokenext>One thing they fail to see is their design .
A Europlug or an American/Japanese style plug is easy to plug in , easy to take out and is n't a huge cord .
I 'd rather my laptop cable be http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File : PC \ _flex \ _with \ _CEE \ _7-7 \ _plug.png [ wikipedia.org ] than http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File : PC \ _flex \ _with \ _BS \ _1363 \ _plug.png [ wikipedia.org ] its a lot easier to carry and use .
As for the debate on amps and volts , in all honesty has there been a single thing that you wanted to have but could n't because it required more power but people in other countries where there are more amps and volts can get ?
My favorite line was this And that has left the US with a plug and socket system that makes Chuck Norris weep .
Plugs that hang out of the wall .
Pins that are so easily bent you could write off a cable just by looking at it in the wrong way .
How anyone ever gets their Apple laptop to fully charge without the adaptor falling out of the wall is beyond us .
We 're not sure why the company bothered inventing Magsafe -- surely if anyone in the US trips over a power cable , it flies out of the wall so fast no laptop could ever be pulled to the ground .
Plugs that hang out of the wall ?
Unless you are living in an ancient building that has decaying sockets I do n't see how that happens .
None of my cords " hang out of the wall " nor have they .
Pins that are so easily bent ?
Unless you are talking about the pins on Christmas tree lights ( which manage to always have -something- wrong with them ) I have never had a bent pin in my life from American plugs .
And as for tripping , how fast were they running when they managed to trip something out of the wall ?
Its not that easy .
But in the end I think it is just the " My country is better than your country " crap that seems to be spewed a lot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing they fail to see is their design.
A Europlug or an American/Japanese style plug is easy to plug in, easy to take out and isn't a huge cord.
I'd rather my laptop cable be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PC\_flex\_with\_CEE\_7-7\_plug.png [wikipedia.org] than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PC\_flex\_with\_BS\_1363\_plug.png [wikipedia.org] its a lot easier to carry and use.
As for the debate on amps and volts, in all honesty has there been a single thing that you wanted to have but couldn't because it required more power but people in other countries where there are more amps and volts can get?
My favorite line was this  And that has left the US with a plug and socket system that makes Chuck Norris weep.
Plugs that hang out of the wall.
Pins that are so easily bent you could write off a cable just by looking at it in the wrong way.
How anyone ever gets their Apple laptop to fully charge without the adaptor falling out of the wall is beyond us.
We're not sure why the company bothered inventing Magsafe -- surely if anyone in the US trips over a power cable, it flies out of the wall so fast no laptop could ever be pulled to the ground.
Plugs that hang out of the wall?
Unless you are living in an ancient building that has decaying sockets I don't see how that happens.
None of my cords "hang out of the wall" nor have they.
Pins that are so easily bent?
Unless you are talking about the pins on Christmas tree lights (which manage to always have -something- wrong with them) I have never had a bent pin in my life from American plugs.
And as for tripping, how fast were they running when they managed to trip something out of the wall?
Its not that easy.
But in the end I think it is just the "My country is better than your country" crap that seems to be spewed a lot.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983422</id>
	<title>Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257020220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have the British really decided on a single socket/plug?  Last I heard, there were over 100 different plug types in use in the UK.  Most appliances came with bare wires that you had to put your own plug on.
<br> <br>
Anyway, in the US there are several 220V standard plugs depending on the amperage.  Things like dryer, stoves and &gt;5 HP electrical motors use them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have the British really decided on a single socket/plug ?
Last I heard , there were over 100 different plug types in use in the UK .
Most appliances came with bare wires that you had to put your own plug on .
Anyway , in the US there are several 220V standard plugs depending on the amperage .
Things like dryer , stoves and &gt; 5 HP electrical motors use them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have the British really decided on a single socket/plug?
Last I heard, there were over 100 different plug types in use in the UK.
Most appliances came with bare wires that you had to put your own plug on.
Anyway, in the US there are several 220V standard plugs depending on the amperage.
Things like dryer, stoves and &gt;5 HP electrical motors use them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989294</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256999100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And just what do you think PUSHES that current?  Yep, it's the VOLTAGE.  Fundamental rule for safe distribution of electricity - use the minimum practical voltage to do the job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And just what do you think PUSHES that current ?
Yep , it 's the VOLTAGE .
Fundamental rule for safe distribution of electricity - use the minimum practical voltage to do the job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And just what do you think PUSHES that current?
Yep, it's the VOLTAGE.
Fundamental rule for safe distribution of electricity - use the minimum practical voltage to do the job.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987888</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256992020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I could engage in a reasoned debate as to the merits of a single power supply system with universal specification as opposed to a series of different standards depending on the intended appliance, but I think a picture of how countries around the world have approached the problem of whether to use 240V or 110V sums it up better:</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WorldMap\_Voltage\%26Frequency.png</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I could engage in a reasoned debate as to the merits of a single power supply system with universal specification as opposed to a series of different standards depending on the intended appliance , but I think a picture of how countries around the world have approached the problem of whether to use 240V or 110V sums it up better : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File : WorldMap \ _Voltage \ % 26Frequency.png</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I could engage in a reasoned debate as to the merits of a single power supply system with universal specification as opposed to a series of different standards depending on the intended appliance, but I think a picture of how countries around the world have approached the problem of whether to use 240V or 110V sums it up better:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WorldMap\_Voltage\%26Frequency.png</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989952</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257003480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually I believe you are the one who is wrong on both counts.</p><p>1) Yes current kills but it's potential difference (voltage) that drives current into a given load (your body when you touch the sink and a toaster with a ground fault at the same time).  Ohm's Law: I = V/R, since R is essentialy constant (your body) the current that fries your nervous system (I) will be proportional to V.  Yes, given a good connection 110V can be fatal, however many (most?) times the connection is not so great.  I remember kids sticking metal hair clips in electrical outlets when I was a kid because of the tingle.  It was just a tingle because the cheap hair clip was not a great conductor and they were not well grounded.  The same act involving a 220V outlet would likely be quite bit more than a tingle.</p><p>2) Some appliances do benefit from 220V (like the ones you mention) but, as the origional poster pointed out, those type of appliances are connected to dedicated 2-phase 220V circuits in US residental wiring using a special high-current plug.  I very much doubt that a European single-phase 220V plug could deliver the amount of power needed for an oven or hotwater heater,  The fact that some appliances need high voltage/current circuits doesn't mean its a good idea to run your blender or electric shaver on 220V.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually I believe you are the one who is wrong on both counts.1 ) Yes current kills but it 's potential difference ( voltage ) that drives current into a given load ( your body when you touch the sink and a toaster with a ground fault at the same time ) .
Ohm 's Law : I = V/R , since R is essentialy constant ( your body ) the current that fries your nervous system ( I ) will be proportional to V. Yes , given a good connection 110V can be fatal , however many ( most ?
) times the connection is not so great .
I remember kids sticking metal hair clips in electrical outlets when I was a kid because of the tingle .
It was just a tingle because the cheap hair clip was not a great conductor and they were not well grounded .
The same act involving a 220V outlet would likely be quite bit more than a tingle.2 ) Some appliances do benefit from 220V ( like the ones you mention ) but , as the origional poster pointed out , those type of appliances are connected to dedicated 2-phase 220V circuits in US residental wiring using a special high-current plug .
I very much doubt that a European single-phase 220V plug could deliver the amount of power needed for an oven or hotwater heater , The fact that some appliances need high voltage/current circuits does n't mean its a good idea to run your blender or electric shaver on 220V .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually I believe you are the one who is wrong on both counts.1) Yes current kills but it's potential difference (voltage) that drives current into a given load (your body when you touch the sink and a toaster with a ground fault at the same time).
Ohm's Law: I = V/R, since R is essentialy constant (your body) the current that fries your nervous system (I) will be proportional to V.  Yes, given a good connection 110V can be fatal, however many (most?
) times the connection is not so great.
I remember kids sticking metal hair clips in electrical outlets when I was a kid because of the tingle.
It was just a tingle because the cheap hair clip was not a great conductor and they were not well grounded.
The same act involving a 220V outlet would likely be quite bit more than a tingle.2) Some appliances do benefit from 220V (like the ones you mention) but, as the origional poster pointed out, those type of appliances are connected to dedicated 2-phase 220V circuits in US residental wiring using a special high-current plug.
I very much doubt that a European single-phase 220V plug could deliver the amount of power needed for an oven or hotwater heater,  The fact that some appliances need high voltage/current circuits doesn't mean its a good idea to run your blender or electric shaver on 220V.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29991030</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>CSMatt</author>
	<datestamp>1257011820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You suspect humour? I suspect that Americans do not understand it at all!</p></div><p>That is because Americans only understand humor and not humour.</p></div>
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<tokenext>You suspect humour ?
I suspect that Americans do not understand it at all ! That is because Americans only understand humor and not humour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You suspect humour?
I suspect that Americans do not understand it at all!That is because Americans only understand humor and not humour.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989020</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>funkboy</author>
	<datestamp>1256997600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mod parent up</p><p>Look at Cisco Catalyst 6500 power supplies and power-over-ethernet figures sometime.  Current kills, and current also heats up.  You just can't get enough watts out of a damn US mains plug at 110v to run a big switch with a ton of PoE ports on it, and even if you could you'd need a humongous cable to get it to the switch.  At 110v you need 80+ amps to get the 9kw max power draw of a 13 slot chassis loaded with PoE cards.  How many people here have even <i>seen</i> a 110v breaker that can handle more than 60 amps?</p><p>This is why all of Cisco's high-end Catalyst power supplies have <i>two</i> IEC connectors on them, and it says "use one for 230v, both for 110v" on the back.  Probably also why their CRS-1 core packet heater was only available with high-voltage three-phase power supplies until they came out with the "small" one (only have the size of a nice fridge).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mod parent upLook at Cisco Catalyst 6500 power supplies and power-over-ethernet figures sometime .
Current kills , and current also heats up .
You just ca n't get enough watts out of a damn US mains plug at 110v to run a big switch with a ton of PoE ports on it , and even if you could you 'd need a humongous cable to get it to the switch .
At 110v you need 80 + amps to get the 9kw max power draw of a 13 slot chassis loaded with PoE cards .
How many people here have even seen a 110v breaker that can handle more than 60 amps ? This is why all of Cisco 's high-end Catalyst power supplies have two IEC connectors on them , and it says " use one for 230v , both for 110v " on the back .
Probably also why their CRS-1 core packet heater was only available with high-voltage three-phase power supplies until they came out with the " small " one ( only have the size of a nice fridge ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mod parent upLook at Cisco Catalyst 6500 power supplies and power-over-ethernet figures sometime.
Current kills, and current also heats up.
You just can't get enough watts out of a damn US mains plug at 110v to run a big switch with a ton of PoE ports on it, and even if you could you'd need a humongous cable to get it to the switch.
At 110v you need 80+ amps to get the 9kw max power draw of a 13 slot chassis loaded with PoE cards.
How many people here have even seen a 110v breaker that can handle more than 60 amps?This is why all of Cisco's high-end Catalyst power supplies have two IEC connectors on them, and it says "use one for 230v, both for 110v" on the back.
Probably also why their CRS-1 core packet heater was only available with high-voltage three-phase power supplies until they came out with the "small" one (only have the size of a nice fridge).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986416</id>
	<title>Re:Europlug and the stupid British socket</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1256986260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>1) The European socket has a plastic outside cone for insulation. If the cable is partially unplugged, you cannot touch it with your fingers. The British version has nothing.</i> <br> <br>Except <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/British\_plug.jpg" title="wikimedia.org" rel="nofollow">Insulated pins</a> [wikimedia.org] <br> <br>
<i>2) The European socket allows you to plug the cables upside down (which is extremely helpful in certain situations).</i> <br> <br>
I've never need to do this.  I don't think I've ever seen a European plug inverted either.  Can't be that useful.<br> <br>
Honestly, the european plug is fine.  So's the UK style.  The article was stupid, but it's equally stupid getting upset over it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) The European socket has a plastic outside cone for insulation .
If the cable is partially unplugged , you can not touch it with your fingers .
The British version has nothing .
Except Insulated pins [ wikimedia.org ] 2 ) The European socket allows you to plug the cables upside down ( which is extremely helpful in certain situations ) .
I 've never need to do this .
I do n't think I 've ever seen a European plug inverted either .
Ca n't be that useful .
Honestly , the european plug is fine .
So 's the UK style .
The article was stupid , but it 's equally stupid getting upset over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) The European socket has a plastic outside cone for insulation.
If the cable is partially unplugged, you cannot touch it with your fingers.
The British version has nothing.
Except Insulated pins [wikimedia.org]  
2) The European socket allows you to plug the cables upside down (which is extremely helpful in certain situations).
I've never need to do this.
I don't think I've ever seen a European plug inverted either.
Can't be that useful.
Honestly, the european plug is fine.
So's the UK style.
The article was stupid, but it's equally stupid getting upset over it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29993002</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1257423120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I suspect bias. I also suspect this article was meant to be humourous. BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily; it's how I run my spare heater.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>What matters is watts, so countries which use higher voltages will have more friendly plugs, as they won't need metal as thick, etc. At 15 amps, you could run twice the heating from a UK outlet than a US one.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect bias .
I also suspect this article was meant to be humourous .
BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily ; it 's how I run my spare heater .
What matters is watts , so countries which use higher voltages will have more friendly plugs , as they wo n't need metal as thick , etc .
At 15 amps , you could run twice the heating from a UK outlet than a US one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect bias.
I also suspect this article was meant to be humourous.
BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily; it's how I run my spare heater.
What matters is watts, so countries which use higher voltages will have more friendly plugs, as they won't need metal as thick, etc.
At 15 amps, you could run twice the heating from a UK outlet than a US one.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984190</id>
	<title>The best plug...</title>
	<author>igaborf</author>
	<datestamp>1257022560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...is the one that fits the socket on the wall in front of me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...is the one that fits the socket on the wall in front of me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is the one that fits the socket on the wall in front of me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988118</id>
	<title>Re:Depends on your criteria</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1256993160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>What I hate are those blanking plates that are sold as a child safety device.</i><br>It depends which ones.</p><p>When I was growing up we had some mothercare branded ones that had all three pins made of full length solid plastic, getting them out was an effort even for an adult or older child and since all three holes were filled fully there was no issue with them making the live and neutral toucable.</p><p>OTOH some that I have seen more recently have been downright dangerous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I hate are those blanking plates that are sold as a child safety device.It depends which ones.When I was growing up we had some mothercare branded ones that had all three pins made of full length solid plastic , getting them out was an effort even for an adult or older child and since all three holes were filled fully there was no issue with them making the live and neutral toucable.OTOH some that I have seen more recently have been downright dangerous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I hate are those blanking plates that are sold as a child safety device.It depends which ones.When I was growing up we had some mothercare branded ones that had all three pins made of full length solid plastic, getting them out was an effort even for an adult or older child and since all three holes were filled fully there was no issue with them making the live and neutral toucable.OTOH some that I have seen more recently have been downright dangerous.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29993672</id>
	<title>Re:3-prong ground loop hum?</title>
	<author>marcansoft</author>
	<datestamp>1257430320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's also a myth that hum is always caused by the grounding: sometimes, hum is caused by poor or lack of grounding. Often, hum that can be "fixed" by breaking the ground indicates an underlying problem (and possibly a danger for you or the equipment). For example, my Acer laptop has a hum issue when the AC adapter is connected and I route the audio to another grounded device. In this case, the cause is actually the poor grounding on the laptop's DC power cord: it should have 3 wires (earth, +, -) but instead they used a single shield for both earth and negative. The problem is this shield is poor, it has resistance, and a rather large current goes through this DC cable. Then, the laptop ground develops a varying voltage offset above AC earth. This voltage is shunted through any audio cable into any earthed appliance back into mains earth. In layman's terms, the laptop's DC current takes a detour through the audio cable, through the audio device into mains earth, and back out to the laptop's DC adapter, instead of (mostly) sticking to the DC cable. I've seen this very issue on at least one other Acer laptop model, so it might be endemic to their power adapters.</p><p>The proper fix would be to break the negative-ground connection at the AC adapter and run two wires (joined together at the laptop side of things), but I didn't want to tear the thing apart, so instead I just added a big fat extra ground: a thick mains-style wire running from the VGA port shell (a convenient ground on the laptop) to an AC outlet's ground (preferably one right next to the AC adapter's outlet) fixed the issue.</p><p>Remember people, wires aren't perfect, and that circuit analysis stuff that you learn in college is bullshit. Just because you draw a line between two points on a schematic doesn't mean they are at equal potential, at least until room-temperature superconductors become common (and then it's still DC only - even in mythical superconductor-land, inductance will still bite you if your current isn't constant).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's also a myth that hum is always caused by the grounding : sometimes , hum is caused by poor or lack of grounding .
Often , hum that can be " fixed " by breaking the ground indicates an underlying problem ( and possibly a danger for you or the equipment ) .
For example , my Acer laptop has a hum issue when the AC adapter is connected and I route the audio to another grounded device .
In this case , the cause is actually the poor grounding on the laptop 's DC power cord : it should have 3 wires ( earth , + , - ) but instead they used a single shield for both earth and negative .
The problem is this shield is poor , it has resistance , and a rather large current goes through this DC cable .
Then , the laptop ground develops a varying voltage offset above AC earth .
This voltage is shunted through any audio cable into any earthed appliance back into mains earth .
In layman 's terms , the laptop 's DC current takes a detour through the audio cable , through the audio device into mains earth , and back out to the laptop 's DC adapter , instead of ( mostly ) sticking to the DC cable .
I 've seen this very issue on at least one other Acer laptop model , so it might be endemic to their power adapters.The proper fix would be to break the negative-ground connection at the AC adapter and run two wires ( joined together at the laptop side of things ) , but I did n't want to tear the thing apart , so instead I just added a big fat extra ground : a thick mains-style wire running from the VGA port shell ( a convenient ground on the laptop ) to an AC outlet 's ground ( preferably one right next to the AC adapter 's outlet ) fixed the issue.Remember people , wires are n't perfect , and that circuit analysis stuff that you learn in college is bullshit .
Just because you draw a line between two points on a schematic does n't mean they are at equal potential , at least until room-temperature superconductors become common ( and then it 's still DC only - even in mythical superconductor-land , inductance will still bite you if your current is n't constant ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's also a myth that hum is always caused by the grounding: sometimes, hum is caused by poor or lack of grounding.
Often, hum that can be "fixed" by breaking the ground indicates an underlying problem (and possibly a danger for you or the equipment).
For example, my Acer laptop has a hum issue when the AC adapter is connected and I route the audio to another grounded device.
In this case, the cause is actually the poor grounding on the laptop's DC power cord: it should have 3 wires (earth, +, -) but instead they used a single shield for both earth and negative.
The problem is this shield is poor, it has resistance, and a rather large current goes through this DC cable.
Then, the laptop ground develops a varying voltage offset above AC earth.
This voltage is shunted through any audio cable into any earthed appliance back into mains earth.
In layman's terms, the laptop's DC current takes a detour through the audio cable, through the audio device into mains earth, and back out to the laptop's DC adapter, instead of (mostly) sticking to the DC cable.
I've seen this very issue on at least one other Acer laptop model, so it might be endemic to their power adapters.The proper fix would be to break the negative-ground connection at the AC adapter and run two wires (joined together at the laptop side of things), but I didn't want to tear the thing apart, so instead I just added a big fat extra ground: a thick mains-style wire running from the VGA port shell (a convenient ground on the laptop) to an AC outlet's ground (preferably one right next to the AC adapter's outlet) fixed the issue.Remember people, wires aren't perfect, and that circuit analysis stuff that you learn in college is bullshit.
Just because you draw a line between two points on a schematic doesn't mean they are at equal potential, at least until room-temperature superconductors become common (and then it's still DC only - even in mythical superconductor-land, inductance will still bite you if your current isn't constant).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989056</id>
	<title>Re:17th Edition Wiring Regulations (UK)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256997720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>People dying of electrocution in the UK is so rare I can't remember the last incident.</p></div><p>21 people died in 2002 according to:</p><p>http://esc.org.uk/business-and-community/statistics.html</p><p>So that'd be around one every 17 days on average, assuming that number has held up, and wasn't exceptional.</p><p>Maybe if you look through the last few week's papers.</p></div>
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<tokenext>People dying of electrocution in the UK is so rare I ca n't remember the last incident.21 people died in 2002 according to : http : //esc.org.uk/business-and-community/statistics.htmlSo that 'd be around one every 17 days on average , assuming that number has held up , and was n't exceptional.Maybe if you look through the last few week 's papers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People dying of electrocution in the UK is so rare I can't remember the last incident.21 people died in 2002 according to:http://esc.org.uk/business-and-community/statistics.htmlSo that'd be around one every 17 days on average, assuming that number has held up, and wasn't exceptional.Maybe if you look through the last few week's papers.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.30002970</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257441180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>Going to have to politely disagree here. Appliances such as coffee makers, toasters and electric kettles most certainly benefit from 220.</b></p><p><b>There's a reason you don't see many electric kettles in the U.S... they take longer than the stove to almost boil a pot of water, compared to the 20 seconds or so you get in the UK for a rolling boil.</b></p><p>The reason you don't see many electric kettles in the U.S. is that fewer Americans drink hot tea. Period. Full stop. We have plenty of electric kettles in the U.S. - so what if we have to wait 40 seconds for a rolling boil instead of 20 seconds. Who cares? My electric kettle works just fine on 110. So does my coffee maker and my toaster. Jebus! Are you seriously going to tell me my toaster would work better/faster on 220? How f\_cking fast do you need your bread toasted?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Going to have to politely disagree here .
Appliances such as coffee makers , toasters and electric kettles most certainly benefit from 220.There 's a reason you do n't see many electric kettles in the U.S... they take longer than the stove to almost boil a pot of water , compared to the 20 seconds or so you get in the UK for a rolling boil.The reason you do n't see many electric kettles in the U.S. is that fewer Americans drink hot tea .
Period. Full stop .
We have plenty of electric kettles in the U.S. - so what if we have to wait 40 seconds for a rolling boil instead of 20 seconds .
Who cares ?
My electric kettle works just fine on 110 .
So does my coffee maker and my toaster .
Jebus ! Are you seriously going to tell me my toaster would work better/faster on 220 ?
How f \ _cking fast do you need your bread toasted ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Going to have to politely disagree here.
Appliances such as coffee makers, toasters and electric kettles most certainly benefit from 220.There's a reason you don't see many electric kettles in the U.S... they take longer than the stove to almost boil a pot of water, compared to the 20 seconds or so you get in the UK for a rolling boil.The reason you don't see many electric kettles in the U.S. is that fewer Americans drink hot tea.
Period. Full stop.
We have plenty of electric kettles in the U.S. - so what if we have to wait 40 seconds for a rolling boil instead of 20 seconds.
Who cares?
My electric kettle works just fine on 110.
So does my coffee maker and my toaster.
Jebus! Are you seriously going to tell me my toaster would work better/faster on 220?
How f\_cking fast do you need your bread toasted?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987678</id>
	<title>Re:Depends on your criteria</title>
	<author>sydb</author>
	<datestamp>1256991120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>And as for the built-in fuse: how many plugs are actually fitted with a fuse that is appropriately rated for the device it connects?</i></p><p>Well, whenever you buy a mains powered device it comes with the right fuse. All us UK leccy-lovers know that fuses occasionally blow, but it's an indication of a fault so not particularly common. I know I make my best effort to fit the correctly rated fuse when it does happen, though I admit if I'm in a hurry any fuse'll do. This is a once-in-five-years occurence though so I'd be an old man before I replaced even half of my fuses with the wrong rating, and by that time I'd have replaced much of my equipment through "progress". So that's a shit argument.</p><p><i>What I hate are those blanking plates (...) I think that people who buy these plates don't understand the safety features built into a UK 13A socket.</i></p><p>I think you're right but I do remember as a child with a high single digit age (and probably IQ) I learned I could open the socket up with a knitting needle in the earth pin and stick wires in there. That's how I got my first (of many) electric shocks as a child. I miss electric shocks now that I'm a grown-up spark-fearing pussy. Never ddi me know ham though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And as for the built-in fuse : how many plugs are actually fitted with a fuse that is appropriately rated for the device it connects ? Well , whenever you buy a mains powered device it comes with the right fuse .
All us UK leccy-lovers know that fuses occasionally blow , but it 's an indication of a fault so not particularly common .
I know I make my best effort to fit the correctly rated fuse when it does happen , though I admit if I 'm in a hurry any fuse 'll do .
This is a once-in-five-years occurence though so I 'd be an old man before I replaced even half of my fuses with the wrong rating , and by that time I 'd have replaced much of my equipment through " progress " .
So that 's a shit argument.What I hate are those blanking plates ( ... ) I think that people who buy these plates do n't understand the safety features built into a UK 13A socket.I think you 're right but I do remember as a child with a high single digit age ( and probably IQ ) I learned I could open the socket up with a knitting needle in the earth pin and stick wires in there .
That 's how I got my first ( of many ) electric shocks as a child .
I miss electric shocks now that I 'm a grown-up spark-fearing pussy .
Never ddi me know ham though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And as for the built-in fuse: how many plugs are actually fitted with a fuse that is appropriately rated for the device it connects?Well, whenever you buy a mains powered device it comes with the right fuse.
All us UK leccy-lovers know that fuses occasionally blow, but it's an indication of a fault so not particularly common.
I know I make my best effort to fit the correctly rated fuse when it does happen, though I admit if I'm in a hurry any fuse'll do.
This is a once-in-five-years occurence though so I'd be an old man before I replaced even half of my fuses with the wrong rating, and by that time I'd have replaced much of my equipment through "progress".
So that's a shit argument.What I hate are those blanking plates (...) I think that people who buy these plates don't understand the safety features built into a UK 13A socket.I think you're right but I do remember as a child with a high single digit age (and probably IQ) I learned I could open the socket up with a knitting needle in the earth pin and stick wires in there.
That's how I got my first (of many) electric shocks as a child.
I miss electric shocks now that I'm a grown-up spark-fearing pussy.
Never ddi me know ham though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985118</id>
	<title>Re:Biased...</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1256982300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best part about the europlug (or whatever they are naming the UK plug these days) is that only the tips of the leads are actually conductive, not the entire piece.  The majority of those leads have plastic over them.</p><p>What this means is that until you have the plug far enough into the wall where you don't have much room for a finger in there, it can't make electrical contact, and thus no nasty shock.</p><p>In the US (Where I am) the entire lead is metal, and makes electrical contact with only say 1/4th to 1/3rd of the lead in the wall and the rest exposed.  Plenty of opportunity for more zaps.</p><p>I am not familiar with any other nations plugs to know which they would be closer to comparatively, but personally I wish ALL of them were that way if nothing else.   Of course a fixed standard would be a good second dream, but we all can guess at the expense of such a change thus it will not happen for a long time if ever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best part about the europlug ( or whatever they are naming the UK plug these days ) is that only the tips of the leads are actually conductive , not the entire piece .
The majority of those leads have plastic over them.What this means is that until you have the plug far enough into the wall where you do n't have much room for a finger in there , it ca n't make electrical contact , and thus no nasty shock.In the US ( Where I am ) the entire lead is metal , and makes electrical contact with only say 1/4th to 1/3rd of the lead in the wall and the rest exposed .
Plenty of opportunity for more zaps.I am not familiar with any other nations plugs to know which they would be closer to comparatively , but personally I wish ALL of them were that way if nothing else .
Of course a fixed standard would be a good second dream , but we all can guess at the expense of such a change thus it will not happen for a long time if ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best part about the europlug (or whatever they are naming the UK plug these days) is that only the tips of the leads are actually conductive, not the entire piece.
The majority of those leads have plastic over them.What this means is that until you have the plug far enough into the wall where you don't have much room for a finger in there, it can't make electrical contact, and thus no nasty shock.In the US (Where I am) the entire lead is metal, and makes electrical contact with only say 1/4th to 1/3rd of the lead in the wall and the rest exposed.
Plenty of opportunity for more zaps.I am not familiar with any other nations plugs to know which they would be closer to comparatively, but personally I wish ALL of them were that way if nothing else.
Of course a fixed standard would be a good second dream, but we all can guess at the expense of such a change thus it will not happen for a long time if ever.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983310</id>
	<title>Too many pages</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it really neccessary to spead the article over 10 pages, each of which has approximately 1 paragraph?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it really neccessary to spead the article over 10 pages , each of which has approximately 1 paragraph ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it really neccessary to spead the article over 10 pages, each of which has approximately 1 paragraph?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984936</id>
	<title>objective my ass...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256981820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>there's no "objectivity" in that article.<br>Shoot...just look at the Dutch plug (no pun intended): Two paragraphs, one sentence each.  The UK one, it's like reading a biography.</p><p>That and there were some facts missing.<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains\_electricity#Voltage\_levels" title="wikipedia.org">Japan uses 100V</a> [wikipedia.org] not 110V<br>GFCI sockets exist in the US<br>The British mains (aka 230V mains) are much more potent so they needed shutters 'cuz it was killing kids (oh will someone think of the children!)<br>Besides, the shutters are in the socket not the plug and guess what, shutters exist for other types OTHER than the British type (aka Type G).</p><p>Here's another kicker: just because there's a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic\_AC\_power\_plugs\_and\_sockets#Type\_G" title="wikipedia.org">fuse in the plug</a> [wikipedia.org], doesn't make it safer.  A 13A fuse (the max) can fit in a 3A cord.  In order for the fuse to cut the power, it has to melt but in this case, the cord will melt and catch on fire before the fuse does. FAIL<br>A GFCI socket (which is fair to claim as the article brings in shutters on the Type G socket) will detect current even small amounts leaking to ground (a fault) and shut the power off immediately.  There are even sockets that have other kinds of resettable circuit breakers as well.<br>And some appliances have a fuse box on the back that's connected directly to the cord.</p><p>Now as far as shuttering goes, guess what...they have 'em for Type B too, known as <a href="http://www.cooperwiringdevices.com/trsolutions.cfm" title="cooperwiringdevices.com">tamper resistant</a> [cooperwiringdevices.com] meant to protect children from shock!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there 's no " objectivity " in that article.Shoot...just look at the Dutch plug ( no pun intended ) : Two paragraphs , one sentence each .
The UK one , it 's like reading a biography.That and there were some facts missing.Japan uses 100V [ wikipedia.org ] not 110VGFCI sockets exist in the USThe British mains ( aka 230V mains ) are much more potent so they needed shutters 'cuz it was killing kids ( oh will someone think of the children !
) Besides , the shutters are in the socket not the plug and guess what , shutters exist for other types OTHER than the British type ( aka Type G ) .Here 's another kicker : just because there 's a fuse in the plug [ wikipedia.org ] , does n't make it safer .
A 13A fuse ( the max ) can fit in a 3A cord .
In order for the fuse to cut the power , it has to melt but in this case , the cord will melt and catch on fire before the fuse does .
FAILA GFCI socket ( which is fair to claim as the article brings in shutters on the Type G socket ) will detect current even small amounts leaking to ground ( a fault ) and shut the power off immediately .
There are even sockets that have other kinds of resettable circuit breakers as well.And some appliances have a fuse box on the back that 's connected directly to the cord.Now as far as shuttering goes , guess what...they have 'em for Type B too , known as tamper resistant [ cooperwiringdevices.com ] meant to protect children from shock !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there's no "objectivity" in that article.Shoot...just look at the Dutch plug (no pun intended): Two paragraphs, one sentence each.
The UK one, it's like reading a biography.That and there were some facts missing.Japan uses 100V [wikipedia.org] not 110VGFCI sockets exist in the USThe British mains (aka 230V mains) are much more potent so they needed shutters 'cuz it was killing kids (oh will someone think of the children!
)Besides, the shutters are in the socket not the plug and guess what, shutters exist for other types OTHER than the British type (aka Type G).Here's another kicker: just because there's a fuse in the plug [wikipedia.org], doesn't make it safer.
A 13A fuse (the max) can fit in a 3A cord.
In order for the fuse to cut the power, it has to melt but in this case, the cord will melt and catch on fire before the fuse does.
FAILA GFCI socket (which is fair to claim as the article brings in shutters on the Type G socket) will detect current even small amounts leaking to ground (a fault) and shut the power off immediately.
There are even sockets that have other kinds of resettable circuit breakers as well.And some appliances have a fuse box on the back that's connected directly to the cord.Now as far as shuttering goes, guess what...they have 'em for Type B too, known as tamper resistant [cooperwiringdevices.com] meant to protect children from shock!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984290</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256979720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The US has this issue with appliances.  Any 240VAC appliance will have bare wires where you have to wire up the cord to, because of two different standards.  Three pronged appliances would have two hot and one neutral.  Come 1996, all houses built then or after come with 4 prong outlets (two hots, one neutral, one ground).  Mainly because grounds are an important safety feature.  This is becoming more and more important especially nowadays.  Due to a race to the bottom for cheapness, almost all products are sold with the absolute lowest materials and workmanship that can be gotten away with, so there is a higher chance of a short in a lot of modern appliances that without a ground would energize the case, causing electrocution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US has this issue with appliances .
Any 240VAC appliance will have bare wires where you have to wire up the cord to , because of two different standards .
Three pronged appliances would have two hot and one neutral .
Come 1996 , all houses built then or after come with 4 prong outlets ( two hots , one neutral , one ground ) .
Mainly because grounds are an important safety feature .
This is becoming more and more important especially nowadays .
Due to a race to the bottom for cheapness , almost all products are sold with the absolute lowest materials and workmanship that can be gotten away with , so there is a higher chance of a short in a lot of modern appliances that without a ground would energize the case , causing electrocution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US has this issue with appliances.
Any 240VAC appliance will have bare wires where you have to wire up the cord to, because of two different standards.
Three pronged appliances would have two hot and one neutral.
Come 1996, all houses built then or after come with 4 prong outlets (two hots, one neutral, one ground).
Mainly because grounds are an important safety feature.
This is becoming more and more important especially nowadays.
Due to a race to the bottom for cheapness, almost all products are sold with the absolute lowest materials and workmanship that can be gotten away with, so there is a higher chance of a short in a lot of modern appliances that without a ground would energize the case, causing electrocution.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992686</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257419520000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you have different plugs for the different voltages?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you have different plugs for the different voltages ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you have different plugs for the different voltages?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.30003642</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257540060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...aand those appliances have big old freaking 220W plugs in America too.</p><p>what's your point?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...aand those appliances have big old freaking 220W plugs in America too.what 's your point ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...aand those appliances have big old freaking 220W plugs in America too.what's your point?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987200</id>
	<title>Re:Europlug and the stupid British socket</title>
	<author>hapalibashi</author>
	<datestamp>1256989380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>2) And downright dangerous if the appliance is not double insulated. Live and neutral are colour coded for good reasons!</htmltext>
<tokenext>2 ) And downright dangerous if the appliance is not double insulated .
Live and neutral are colour coded for good reasons !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2) And downright dangerous if the appliance is not double insulated.
Live and neutral are colour coded for good reasons!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987410</id>
	<title>Multiple plug types per country</title>
	<author>wfolta</author>
	<datestamp>1256990100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The discussion seems to assume that each country/region has a SINGLE plug standard for households, with the only mixed-use being countries that have adopted the SINGLE plug standard from two different regions. (Not talking industrial use here, only household use.)</p><p>This is certainly not true in the US, where there is the standard 110v household plug (3-prong and upward-compatible 2-prong variations), and then the 220v heavier-duty plug which is used for things like washing machines. We're not talking heavier-duty industrial twist-lock kinds of plugs, but rather two plugs for two kinds of uses within a household. Obviously, only a select few plugs in a US house will be 220v, but then again only one or two items in a house might require 220v.</p><p>Perhaps Britain only has one kind of plug (220v) for all uses in the house? Which, as others have remarked, is rather overkill for laptops, lights, and most anything that you could actually pick up and carry yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The discussion seems to assume that each country/region has a SINGLE plug standard for households , with the only mixed-use being countries that have adopted the SINGLE plug standard from two different regions .
( Not talking industrial use here , only household use .
) This is certainly not true in the US , where there is the standard 110v household plug ( 3-prong and upward-compatible 2-prong variations ) , and then the 220v heavier-duty plug which is used for things like washing machines .
We 're not talking heavier-duty industrial twist-lock kinds of plugs , but rather two plugs for two kinds of uses within a household .
Obviously , only a select few plugs in a US house will be 220v , but then again only one or two items in a house might require 220v.Perhaps Britain only has one kind of plug ( 220v ) for all uses in the house ?
Which , as others have remarked , is rather overkill for laptops , lights , and most anything that you could actually pick up and carry yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The discussion seems to assume that each country/region has a SINGLE plug standard for households, with the only mixed-use being countries that have adopted the SINGLE plug standard from two different regions.
(Not talking industrial use here, only household use.
)This is certainly not true in the US, where there is the standard 110v household plug (3-prong and upward-compatible 2-prong variations), and then the 220v heavier-duty plug which is used for things like washing machines.
We're not talking heavier-duty industrial twist-lock kinds of plugs, but rather two plugs for two kinds of uses within a household.
Obviously, only a select few plugs in a US house will be 220v, but then again only one or two items in a house might require 220v.Perhaps Britain only has one kind of plug (220v) for all uses in the house?
Which, as others have remarked, is rather overkill for laptops, lights, and most anything that you could actually pick up and carry yourself.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29990982</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257011340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>If you look up the time / current characteristics for whatever MCB / MCCB / fuse your using I think you'll find that it actually takes several 100 amps to trip a circuit breaker "instantaneously" they will quite happily carry twice there rated current for a minute or so, this is because domestic circuit breakers typically have 2 modes of operation, magnetic (short circuit) and thermal (overload) the magnetic is instant but takes very high current to operate, the thermal will operate from say 1.25x the nominal rating in a reasonable (less than 10 minutes) length of time, this delay is to accommodate things such as motors starting up during which they draw several times there normal current.</p><p>Driving a nail through a cable will cause just as much current to flow as ohms law allow, regardless of voltage and protective devices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you look up the time / current characteristics for whatever MCB / MCCB / fuse your using I think you 'll find that it actually takes several 100 amps to trip a circuit breaker " instantaneously " they will quite happily carry twice there rated current for a minute or so , this is because domestic circuit breakers typically have 2 modes of operation , magnetic ( short circuit ) and thermal ( overload ) the magnetic is instant but takes very high current to operate , the thermal will operate from say 1.25x the nominal rating in a reasonable ( less than 10 minutes ) length of time , this delay is to accommodate things such as motors starting up during which they draw several times there normal current.Driving a nail through a cable will cause just as much current to flow as ohms law allow , regardless of voltage and protective devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you look up the time / current characteristics for whatever MCB / MCCB / fuse your using I think you'll find that it actually takes several 100 amps to trip a circuit breaker "instantaneously" they will quite happily carry twice there rated current for a minute or so, this is because domestic circuit breakers typically have 2 modes of operation, magnetic (short circuit) and thermal (overload) the magnetic is instant but takes very high current to operate, the thermal will operate from say 1.25x the nominal rating in a reasonable (less than 10 minutes) length of time, this delay is to accommodate things such as motors starting up during which they draw several times there normal current.Driving a nail through a cable will cause just as much current to flow as ohms law allow, regardless of voltage and protective devices.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983320</id>
	<title>So, UK has the best plugs...</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1257020040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... and apparently the worst servers...</htmltext>
<tokenext>... and apparently the worst servers.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and apparently the worst servers...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985386</id>
	<title>if Chuck Norris was a plug .</title>
	<author>leuk\_he</author>
	<datestamp>1256983080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You forgot the part " if chuck norris was a plug".</p><p>But i am confused because Chuck norris is a  British as the pope is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot the part " if chuck norris was a plug " .But i am confused because Chuck norris is a British as the pope is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot the part " if chuck norris was a plug".But i am confused because Chuck norris is a  British as the pope is.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986864</id>
	<title>Re:Swiss</title>
	<author>omb</author>
	<datestamp>1256987880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Correct, small, and EE correct<br><br>Part of the Schweizerish "Do it right the first time"<br><br>Almost anti Dilbert<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... "Think, plan<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Do"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Correct , small , and EE correctPart of the Schweizerish " Do it right the first time " Almost anti Dilbert ... " Think , plan ... Do "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correct, small, and EE correctPart of the Schweizerish "Do it right the first time"Almost anti Dilbert ... "Think, plan ... Do"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.30079820</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1258023360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the U.S., 220v is generally available for the appliances that need it; electrically heated central heater, clothes dryer, water heater, oven/stove.  The plugs for this are much more substantial than the common 110v lamp cord shown in TFA. Here is an example <a href="http://salestores.com/monste21.html" title="salestores.com" rel="nofollow">http://salestores.com/monste21.html</a> [salestores.com] Gas is commonly used for these purposes, and in that case 110v is plenty for the fans/electrial motors. The washing machine and dish washer don't need 220v, because they use the central hot water source.  If they do heat water, it is only to give a slight increase to the available hot water source.

If an induction stove running on 220v has 7000W available, a similar amperage on 110V would provide 3500V, which is enough for most of your other examples.  My 220V service provides 50A for the oven/stove, 40A for the AC, 30A for the dryer.  It seems like the induction stove referenced would work fine in the U.S.  The only situation I have seen the 110V service being a limitation is for higher-end consumer espresso machines, which want a 20A service to allow dual boilers to operate at the same time.  This is also available in newer kitchens in the U.S., with a funny plug to prevent use in an ordinary outlet.  See the plug here <a href="http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00cMUQTSRBqLoGM/Us-Straight-Blade-Plug-YGA-020-.jpg" title="made-in-china.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00cMUQTSRBqLoGM/Us-Straight-Blade-Plug-YGA-020-.jpg</a> [made-in-china.com] and the socket here <a href="http://cache.smarthome.com/images/4271bi.jpg" title="smarthome.com" rel="nofollow">http://cache.smarthome.com/images/4271bi.jpg</a> [smarthome.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the U.S. , 220v is generally available for the appliances that need it ; electrically heated central heater , clothes dryer , water heater , oven/stove .
The plugs for this are much more substantial than the common 110v lamp cord shown in TFA .
Here is an example http : //salestores.com/monste21.html [ salestores.com ] Gas is commonly used for these purposes , and in that case 110v is plenty for the fans/electrial motors .
The washing machine and dish washer do n't need 220v , because they use the central hot water source .
If they do heat water , it is only to give a slight increase to the available hot water source .
If an induction stove running on 220v has 7000W available , a similar amperage on 110V would provide 3500V , which is enough for most of your other examples .
My 220V service provides 50A for the oven/stove , 40A for the AC , 30A for the dryer .
It seems like the induction stove referenced would work fine in the U.S. The only situation I have seen the 110V service being a limitation is for higher-end consumer espresso machines , which want a 20A service to allow dual boilers to operate at the same time .
This is also available in newer kitchens in the U.S. , with a funny plug to prevent use in an ordinary outlet .
See the plug here http : //www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00cMUQTSRBqLoGM/Us-Straight-Blade-Plug-YGA-020-.jpg [ made-in-china.com ] and the socket here http : //cache.smarthome.com/images/4271bi.jpg [ smarthome.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the U.S., 220v is generally available for the appliances that need it; electrically heated central heater, clothes dryer, water heater, oven/stove.
The plugs for this are much more substantial than the common 110v lamp cord shown in TFA.
Here is an example http://salestores.com/monste21.html [salestores.com] Gas is commonly used for these purposes, and in that case 110v is plenty for the fans/electrial motors.
The washing machine and dish washer don't need 220v, because they use the central hot water source.
If they do heat water, it is only to give a slight increase to the available hot water source.
If an induction stove running on 220v has 7000W available, a similar amperage on 110V would provide 3500V, which is enough for most of your other examples.
My 220V service provides 50A for the oven/stove, 40A for the AC, 30A for the dryer.
It seems like the induction stove referenced would work fine in the U.S.  The only situation I have seen the 110V service being a limitation is for higher-end consumer espresso machines, which want a 20A service to allow dual boilers to operate at the same time.
This is also available in newer kitchens in the U.S., with a funny plug to prevent use in an ordinary outlet.
See the plug here http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00cMUQTSRBqLoGM/Us-Straight-Blade-Plug-YGA-020-.jpg [made-in-china.com] and the socket here http://cache.smarthome.com/images/4271bi.jpg [smarthome.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Non-optimal</title>
	<author>Maximum Prophet</author>
	<datestamp>1257021900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>None of these plugs are optimal.  What properties would an optimal plug have?  At the least:
<ul>
<li>Symmetrical.  (i.e. you should be able to plug it in upside-down)</li>
<li>Spring should be on the cheap part.  IEC cords on the computer side are like this.  If the spring wears out, you just toss the cord, and get a new one</li>
<li>The side that supplies the voltage should be the best shielded.  (Most are like this)  If you are connecting a battery to a charger, you have to have a really fancy plug that is doubly sheilded.</li>

</ul><p>
I don't see the advantage to fusing the plug versus a device with a replaceable fuse.
<br> B.t.w. Christmas tree lights in the US have fused plugs with fuses on the hot and ground so that it can be plugged in upside down.  Since there's no separate "device", just wires with bulbs, having the fuses in the plug makes sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>None of these plugs are optimal .
What properties would an optimal plug have ?
At the least : Symmetrical .
( i.e. you should be able to plug it in upside-down ) Spring should be on the cheap part .
IEC cords on the computer side are like this .
If the spring wears out , you just toss the cord , and get a new one The side that supplies the voltage should be the best shielded .
( Most are like this ) If you are connecting a battery to a charger , you have to have a really fancy plug that is doubly sheilded .
I do n't see the advantage to fusing the plug versus a device with a replaceable fuse .
B.t.w. Christmas tree lights in the US have fused plugs with fuses on the hot and ground so that it can be plugged in upside down .
Since there 's no separate " device " , just wires with bulbs , having the fuses in the plug makes sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None of these plugs are optimal.
What properties would an optimal plug have?
At the least:

Symmetrical.
(i.e. you should be able to plug it in upside-down)
Spring should be on the cheap part.
IEC cords on the computer side are like this.
If the spring wears out, you just toss the cord, and get a new one
The side that supplies the voltage should be the best shielded.
(Most are like this)  If you are connecting a battery to a charger, you have to have a really fancy plug that is doubly sheilded.
I don't see the advantage to fusing the plug versus a device with a replaceable fuse.
B.t.w. Christmas tree lights in the US have fused plugs with fuses on the hot and ground so that it can be plugged in upside down.
Since there's no separate "device", just wires with bulbs, having the fuses in the plug makes sense.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984098</id>
	<title>Just refreshed electrical in my US home...</title>
	<author>DomNF15</author>
	<datestamp>1257022260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>everything from the panel to the wall plates got changed out.  Bedrooms now require AFCI protection at the panel or in the first outlet of a run, GFCIs protect any outlets near water (kitchen &amp; bathroom, and 1 GFCI can protect a number of other connected outlets downstream), the non-GFCI outlets have "shutters" on them and 3 prongs.  I don't quite understand why anyone would think a fuse (what year are we in anyway) is better than a GFCI/AFCI breaker.  Furthermore, those thicker UK prongs are probably a bitch to plug in/out and have to almost guarantee that tripping/yanking on a wire will result in the entire flippin outlet getting ripped out of the wall with it.  Thanks but I'll stick to what we got here in the USA.  Oh yeah and whoever mentioned that appliances don't have grounds was kinda sorta right.  My 240 volt central A/C has two hots (120 + 120) and a neutral, no ground, it was just installed a few months ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>everything from the panel to the wall plates got changed out .
Bedrooms now require AFCI protection at the panel or in the first outlet of a run , GFCIs protect any outlets near water ( kitchen &amp; bathroom , and 1 GFCI can protect a number of other connected outlets downstream ) , the non-GFCI outlets have " shutters " on them and 3 prongs .
I do n't quite understand why anyone would think a fuse ( what year are we in anyway ) is better than a GFCI/AFCI breaker .
Furthermore , those thicker UK prongs are probably a bitch to plug in/out and have to almost guarantee that tripping/yanking on a wire will result in the entire flippin outlet getting ripped out of the wall with it .
Thanks but I 'll stick to what we got here in the USA .
Oh yeah and whoever mentioned that appliances do n't have grounds was kinda sorta right .
My 240 volt central A/C has two hots ( 120 + 120 ) and a neutral , no ground , it was just installed a few months ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>everything from the panel to the wall plates got changed out.
Bedrooms now require AFCI protection at the panel or in the first outlet of a run, GFCIs protect any outlets near water (kitchen &amp; bathroom, and 1 GFCI can protect a number of other connected outlets downstream), the non-GFCI outlets have "shutters" on them and 3 prongs.
I don't quite understand why anyone would think a fuse (what year are we in anyway) is better than a GFCI/AFCI breaker.
Furthermore, those thicker UK prongs are probably a bitch to plug in/out and have to almost guarantee that tripping/yanking on a wire will result in the entire flippin outlet getting ripped out of the wall with it.
Thanks but I'll stick to what we got here in the USA.
Oh yeah and whoever mentioned that appliances don't have grounds was kinda sorta right.
My 240 volt central A/C has two hots (120 + 120) and a neutral, no ground, it was just installed a few months ago.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984416</id>
	<title>I like the UK plugs</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1256980080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I'm in the USA.  OK, they could be a bit smaller. I've got a fused US (NEMA 5-15) plug that's no bigger than the unfused variety. So its possible. The receptacle shutters over the current carrying contacts are a nice idea, as is the insulated sleeve over the base of the plug blades.
</p><p>The biggest advantage I've seen with the UK plugs is their orientation. Ground prong up. While this can be solved with the US version by mounting receptacles upside down. Many construction specs are starting to require this, particularly in health care facilities. But it screws up wall warts, which are designed to let the LV cord hang down in the 'ground pin down' configuration. I'm not certain if this is UK code, but every UK plug I've seen has the cord emerging from the (bottom) side of the plug. This prevents the cord from being pinched when someone slides a piece of furniture against it. I've seen a few fires and numerous damaged cord caused by this practice. Its possible to obtain US plugs in this configuration, but they are rare. It wouldn't do us much good anyway, as we have most of our receptacles the wrong way around anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I 'm in the USA .
OK , they could be a bit smaller .
I 've got a fused US ( NEMA 5-15 ) plug that 's no bigger than the unfused variety .
So its possible .
The receptacle shutters over the current carrying contacts are a nice idea , as is the insulated sleeve over the base of the plug blades .
The biggest advantage I 've seen with the UK plugs is their orientation .
Ground prong up .
While this can be solved with the US version by mounting receptacles upside down .
Many construction specs are starting to require this , particularly in health care facilities .
But it screws up wall warts , which are designed to let the LV cord hang down in the 'ground pin down ' configuration .
I 'm not certain if this is UK code , but every UK plug I 've seen has the cord emerging from the ( bottom ) side of the plug .
This prevents the cord from being pinched when someone slides a piece of furniture against it .
I 've seen a few fires and numerous damaged cord caused by this practice .
Its possible to obtain US plugs in this configuration , but they are rare .
It would n't do us much good anyway , as we have most of our receptacles the wrong way around anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I'm in the USA.
OK, they could be a bit smaller.
I've got a fused US (NEMA 5-15) plug that's no bigger than the unfused variety.
So its possible.
The receptacle shutters over the current carrying contacts are a nice idea, as is the insulated sleeve over the base of the plug blades.
The biggest advantage I've seen with the UK plugs is their orientation.
Ground prong up.
While this can be solved with the US version by mounting receptacles upside down.
Many construction specs are starting to require this, particularly in health care facilities.
But it screws up wall warts, which are designed to let the LV cord hang down in the 'ground pin down' configuration.
I'm not certain if this is UK code, but every UK plug I've seen has the cord emerging from the (bottom) side of the plug.
This prevents the cord from being pinched when someone slides a piece of furniture against it.
I've seen a few fires and numerous damaged cord caused by this practice.
Its possible to obtain US plugs in this configuration, but they are rare.
It wouldn't do us much good anyway, as we have most of our receptacles the wrong way around anyway.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:um no</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1257427620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And i'm betting people often use adaptors and/or forcing methods that connect the live and neutral but fail to connect the earth. Hell I see foreigners in the UK doing this all too often.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And i 'm betting people often use adaptors and/or forcing methods that connect the live and neutral but fail to connect the earth .
Hell I see foreigners in the UK doing this all too often .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And i'm betting people often use adaptors and/or forcing methods that connect the live and neutral but fail to connect the earth.
Hell I see foreigners in the UK doing this all too often.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986694</id>
	<title>Re:Aha! Time for my favorite indie design this yea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ok, everything about that is fraking sweet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ok , everything about that is fraking sweet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ok, everything about that is fraking sweet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992968</id>
	<title>Re:Swiss</title>
	<author>Michael Wardle</author>
	<datestamp>1257422700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure, but what good is a standard if only one country uses it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , but what good is a standard if only one country uses it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, but what good is a standard if only one country uses it?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:um no</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1257018360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>8 fast loading pages with an extremely funny and often quite lengthy paragraph or two on each, plus a picture of what each page is talking about. Not eprfect, but well worth the clicks.</p><p>I live in a country in which sockets may either be the current British square pin type, or the old British round pin type. Appliances may come with almost any type of plug: things that do not need an earth usually come with a two pin round pin plug, but you may find almost anything: I have the French German hybrid type, Australian and others.</p><p>You get the same variety on UPS sockets. Getting everything to plug in can be fun, if you are not careful what you buy.</p><p>Obviously people use adaptors a lot, and routinely put pens (I find chopsticks better, though) into three pin sockets to get two pin plugs in. Unfortunately the brand of adaptor most commonly available, although very cheap, has a tendency to short out and melt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>8 fast loading pages with an extremely funny and often quite lengthy paragraph or two on each , plus a picture of what each page is talking about .
Not eprfect , but well worth the clicks.I live in a country in which sockets may either be the current British square pin type , or the old British round pin type .
Appliances may come with almost any type of plug : things that do not need an earth usually come with a two pin round pin plug , but you may find almost anything : I have the French German hybrid type , Australian and others.You get the same variety on UPS sockets .
Getting everything to plug in can be fun , if you are not careful what you buy.Obviously people use adaptors a lot , and routinely put pens ( I find chopsticks better , though ) into three pin sockets to get two pin plugs in .
Unfortunately the brand of adaptor most commonly available , although very cheap , has a tendency to short out and melt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>8 fast loading pages with an extremely funny and often quite lengthy paragraph or two on each, plus a picture of what each page is talking about.
Not eprfect, but well worth the clicks.I live in a country in which sockets may either be the current British square pin type, or the old British round pin type.
Appliances may come with almost any type of plug: things that do not need an earth usually come with a two pin round pin plug, but you may find almost anything: I have the French German hybrid type, Australian and others.You get the same variety on UPS sockets.
Getting everything to plug in can be fun, if you are not careful what you buy.Obviously people use adaptors a lot, and routinely put pens (I find chopsticks better, though) into three pin sockets to get two pin plugs in.
Unfortunately the brand of adaptor most commonly available, although very cheap, has a tendency to short out and melt.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257421380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't work very well for us in the UK. Given the fact that a lot of the buildings in our larger cities can be up to 200 or more years old, there isn't often a lot of spare space, or easy (and cheap) access to the guts of the house. Needing to put in a new dedicated circuit every time we need a new appliance would get extremely expensive and incredibly inefficient. Much easier to just make every plug capable of taking the big things.</p><p>If you've got a new build or one of these pre-fab paper houses then this might not be a problem - but a plug set-up like the US has would cause a lot us no-end of shit and hassle. Would make the electricians rich and happy though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't work very well for us in the UK .
Given the fact that a lot of the buildings in our larger cities can be up to 200 or more years old , there is n't often a lot of spare space , or easy ( and cheap ) access to the guts of the house .
Needing to put in a new dedicated circuit every time we need a new appliance would get extremely expensive and incredibly inefficient .
Much easier to just make every plug capable of taking the big things.If you 've got a new build or one of these pre-fab paper houses then this might not be a problem - but a plug set-up like the US has would cause a lot us no-end of shit and hassle .
Would make the electricians rich and happy though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't work very well for us in the UK.
Given the fact that a lot of the buildings in our larger cities can be up to 200 or more years old, there isn't often a lot of spare space, or easy (and cheap) access to the guts of the house.
Needing to put in a new dedicated circuit every time we need a new appliance would get extremely expensive and incredibly inefficient.
Much easier to just make every plug capable of taking the big things.If you've got a new build or one of these pre-fab paper houses then this might not be a problem - but a plug set-up like the US has would cause a lot us no-end of shit and hassle.
Would make the electricians rich and happy though.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Aha! Time for my favorite indie design this yea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257417120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Min-Kyu Choi's Folding UK style plug. All the goodness of the UK plug, none of the bulky crap.</p></div><p>Now *that* is a *$\%@ing clever idea.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Min-Kyu Choi 's Folding UK style plug .
All the goodness of the UK plug , none of the bulky crap.Now * that * is a * $ \ % @ ing clever idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Min-Kyu Choi's Folding UK style plug.
All the goodness of the UK plug, none of the bulky crap.Now *that* is a *$\%@ing clever idea.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29990752</id>
	<title>Re:12V</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1257009300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I cant see using USB for things like your TV of DVD player, so something a bit more robust might be in order.</p></div></blockquote><p>1) Hook-up your multimeter and turn on your TV...  Notice the voltage suddenly dropping a good 10 volts before coming back up?  Not a big deal at 120/240V, but a 10V drop at 12V would be a hell of a thing.</p><p>2) Even car manufacturers have been trying for many years to get away from 12V DC because of the godawful huge wires needed, voltage drop, and overall lower power output.  42V DC is the next step.  I'd rather go up an order of magnitude and get 120V, and convert down where necessary.</p><p>3) The conversion losses going from AC to DC is approximately 1.5\%.  A very, very, very tiny amount of power.  You'll hardly notice.</p><p>In conclusion, there's good reason the world continues to use high voltage AC.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I cant see using USB for things like your TV of DVD player , so something a bit more robust might be in order.1 ) Hook-up your multimeter and turn on your TV... Notice the voltage suddenly dropping a good 10 volts before coming back up ?
Not a big deal at 120/240V , but a 10V drop at 12V would be a hell of a thing.2 ) Even car manufacturers have been trying for many years to get away from 12V DC because of the godawful huge wires needed , voltage drop , and overall lower power output .
42V DC is the next step .
I 'd rather go up an order of magnitude and get 120V , and convert down where necessary.3 ) The conversion losses going from AC to DC is approximately 1.5 \ % .
A very , very , very tiny amount of power .
You 'll hardly notice.In conclusion , there 's good reason the world continues to use high voltage AC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cant see using USB for things like your TV of DVD player, so something a bit more robust might be in order.1) Hook-up your multimeter and turn on your TV...  Notice the voltage suddenly dropping a good 10 volts before coming back up?
Not a big deal at 120/240V, but a 10V drop at 12V would be a hell of a thing.2) Even car manufacturers have been trying for many years to get away from 12V DC because of the godawful huge wires needed, voltage drop, and overall lower power output.
42V DC is the next step.
I'd rather go up an order of magnitude and get 120V, and convert down where necessary.3) The conversion losses going from AC to DC is approximately 1.5\%.
A very, very, very tiny amount of power.
You'll hardly notice.In conclusion, there's good reason the world continues to use high voltage AC.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984584</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985280</id>
	<title>Re:Gizmodo covered this about a week ago</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1256982780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There already is an international standard. The problem is that no one is going to invest a ton of money to scrap their current system (pun?) and <b>switch over</b> to it.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Was "switch over" a pun, too?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There already is an international standard .
The problem is that no one is going to invest a ton of money to scrap their current system ( pun ?
) and switch over to it .
Was " switch over " a pun , too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There already is an international standard.
The problem is that no one is going to invest a ton of money to scrap their current system (pun?
) and switch over to it.
Was "switch over" a pun, too?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984560</id>
	<title>The british plug is the *worst*</title>
	<author>Balial</author>
	<datestamp>1256980560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've used power plugs in a bunch of different countries. Most have their advantages and disadvantages. US is small, Australia it's clear which direction you plug it in, Europe has some good safety features... but the british plug has nothing going for it. It's big and ugly, and when you put two on the wall next to each other, you can't work out which way is up. The authors are retarded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used power plugs in a bunch of different countries .
Most have their advantages and disadvantages .
US is small , Australia it 's clear which direction you plug it in , Europe has some good safety features... but the british plug has nothing going for it .
It 's big and ugly , and when you put two on the wall next to each other , you ca n't work out which way is up .
The authors are retarded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used power plugs in a bunch of different countries.
Most have their advantages and disadvantages.
US is small, Australia it's clear which direction you plug it in, Europe has some good safety features... but the british plug has nothing going for it.
It's big and ugly, and when you put two on the wall next to each other, you can't work out which way is up.
The authors are retarded.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988836</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1256996700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The nice thing about the british system is that you are far less tied down. If I want to use a 3KW electric fire or other big appliance in my lounge I just plug it into an ordinary socket.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The nice thing about the british system is that you are far less tied down .
If I want to use a 3KW electric fire or other big appliance in my lounge I just plug it into an ordinary socket .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The nice thing about the british system is that you are far less tied down.
If I want to use a 3KW electric fire or other big appliance in my lounge I just plug it into an ordinary socket.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985104</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983758</id>
	<title>Re:Depends on your criteria</title>
	<author>whoever57</author>
	<datestamp>1257021240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The British electrical plug is the safest,</p></div></blockquote><p>

Safety of the plug is less important if you are only dealing with 110V. And as for the built-in fuse: how many plugs are actually fitted with a fuse that is appropriately rated for the device it connects? <br> <br>
The British plug has undergone a change some time back which does make it a lot more safe: encasing the upper ends of the live and neutral pins in plastic, so that one can't touch the metal of the live pin when inserting or removing the plug while it is actually live. <br> <br>
What I hate are those blanking plates that are sold as a child safety device. Since the plate is held in place using a plastic earth pin, it actually opens the shutters that normally prevent access to the live socket. I think that people who buy these plates don't understand the safety features built into a UK 13A socket.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The British electrical plug is the safest , Safety of the plug is less important if you are only dealing with 110V .
And as for the built-in fuse : how many plugs are actually fitted with a fuse that is appropriately rated for the device it connects ?
The British plug has undergone a change some time back which does make it a lot more safe : encasing the upper ends of the live and neutral pins in plastic , so that one ca n't touch the metal of the live pin when inserting or removing the plug while it is actually live .
What I hate are those blanking plates that are sold as a child safety device .
Since the plate is held in place using a plastic earth pin , it actually opens the shutters that normally prevent access to the live socket .
I think that people who buy these plates do n't understand the safety features built into a UK 13A socket .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The British electrical plug is the safest,

Safety of the plug is less important if you are only dealing with 110V.
And as for the built-in fuse: how many plugs are actually fitted with a fuse that is appropriately rated for the device it connects?
The British plug has undergone a change some time back which does make it a lot more safe: encasing the upper ends of the live and neutral pins in plastic, so that one can't touch the metal of the live pin when inserting or removing the plug while it is actually live.
What I hate are those blanking plates that are sold as a child safety device.
Since the plate is held in place using a plastic earth pin, it actually opens the shutters that normally prevent access to the live socket.
I think that people who buy these plates don't understand the safety features built into a UK 13A socket.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985918</id>
	<title>Not Italian plugs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256984640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh hell no, italian plugs are terrible.<br>1) See the plug in the middle of this image: http://z.about.com/d/goitaly/1/0/V/4/-/-/sockets-kitchen.jpg<br>Notice how there's sort of overlapping circles on around a middle circle?  That's because there are two different types of plugs that don't fit each other's sockets.  I'd say 95\% of the sockets in Italy are NOT like this image, and can instead only support one of the two types of plugs.  That means you need tons of adapters just to get your Italian devices working in Italy.  That's also ignoring the whole middle (ground) plug that is seemingly randomly present (or not) on both plugs and sockets.<br>2) Every time you plug something in, there's a visible spark.  I really don't know why.  Maybe it's a European thing and I only really have experience with plugs in Italy (and America).  But I've now grown accustomed to it, and have never been shocked, so I assume it's ok, just weird.<br>3) The prongs are much longer than American plugs.  They are also usually only metal on the tips (I assume because they're so long that they don't want someone accidentally getting shocked by somehow touching a prong while it's being plugged in).  Sounds good, but in practice it means that things very often get stuck plugged in due to the metal tips being off-center from the plastic.  Be prepared to spend a moment wiggling it back and forth and pulling hard in order to get your device unplugged.<br>4) They're all so flimsy, circular, and smooth, that if you're not experience my point #3, the plugs are instead falling out at the slightest bump.</p><p>I really don't think I'm being amero-centric about this, as I'm always open to better ideas and ways of doing things.  But having lived here for over 2 years now, I have to say these plugs drive me crazy sometimes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh hell no , italian plugs are terrible.1 ) See the plug in the middle of this image : http : //z.about.com/d/goitaly/1/0/V/4/-/-/sockets-kitchen.jpgNotice how there 's sort of overlapping circles on around a middle circle ?
That 's because there are two different types of plugs that do n't fit each other 's sockets .
I 'd say 95 \ % of the sockets in Italy are NOT like this image , and can instead only support one of the two types of plugs .
That means you need tons of adapters just to get your Italian devices working in Italy .
That 's also ignoring the whole middle ( ground ) plug that is seemingly randomly present ( or not ) on both plugs and sockets.2 ) Every time you plug something in , there 's a visible spark .
I really do n't know why .
Maybe it 's a European thing and I only really have experience with plugs in Italy ( and America ) .
But I 've now grown accustomed to it , and have never been shocked , so I assume it 's ok , just weird.3 ) The prongs are much longer than American plugs .
They are also usually only metal on the tips ( I assume because they 're so long that they do n't want someone accidentally getting shocked by somehow touching a prong while it 's being plugged in ) .
Sounds good , but in practice it means that things very often get stuck plugged in due to the metal tips being off-center from the plastic .
Be prepared to spend a moment wiggling it back and forth and pulling hard in order to get your device unplugged.4 ) They 're all so flimsy , circular , and smooth , that if you 're not experience my point # 3 , the plugs are instead falling out at the slightest bump.I really do n't think I 'm being amero-centric about this , as I 'm always open to better ideas and ways of doing things .
But having lived here for over 2 years now , I have to say these plugs drive me crazy sometimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh hell no, italian plugs are terrible.1) See the plug in the middle of this image: http://z.about.com/d/goitaly/1/0/V/4/-/-/sockets-kitchen.jpgNotice how there's sort of overlapping circles on around a middle circle?
That's because there are two different types of plugs that don't fit each other's sockets.
I'd say 95\% of the sockets in Italy are NOT like this image, and can instead only support one of the two types of plugs.
That means you need tons of adapters just to get your Italian devices working in Italy.
That's also ignoring the whole middle (ground) plug that is seemingly randomly present (or not) on both plugs and sockets.2) Every time you plug something in, there's a visible spark.
I really don't know why.
Maybe it's a European thing and I only really have experience with plugs in Italy (and America).
But I've now grown accustomed to it, and have never been shocked, so I assume it's ok, just weird.3) The prongs are much longer than American plugs.
They are also usually only metal on the tips (I assume because they're so long that they don't want someone accidentally getting shocked by somehow touching a prong while it's being plugged in).
Sounds good, but in practice it means that things very often get stuck plugged in due to the metal tips being off-center from the plastic.
Be prepared to spend a moment wiggling it back and forth and pulling hard in order to get your device unplugged.4) They're all so flimsy, circular, and smooth, that if you're not experience my point #3, the plugs are instead falling out at the slightest bump.I really don't think I'm being amero-centric about this, as I'm always open to better ideas and ways of doing things.
But having lived here for over 2 years now, I have to say these plugs drive me crazy sometimes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983428</id>
	<title>Re:PoW</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1257020220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The American obesity epidemic will be replaced with the global mysterious-third-degree-burns epidemic?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The American obesity epidemic will be replaced with the global mysterious-third-degree-burns epidemic ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The American obesity epidemic will be replaced with the global mysterious-third-degree-burns epidemic?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983204</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986280</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256985660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You suspect humour? I suspect that Americans do not understand it at all! I was laughing all the way! But maybe that's because I'm British and I understand that this is really just a complete piss take on the rest of the world. If I had wanted to read a serious comparison, I would have read Wikipedia</htmltext>
<tokenext>You suspect humour ?
I suspect that Americans do not understand it at all !
I was laughing all the way !
But maybe that 's because I 'm British and I understand that this is really just a complete piss take on the rest of the world .
If I had wanted to read a serious comparison , I would have read Wikipedia</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You suspect humour?
I suspect that Americans do not understand it at all!
I was laughing all the way!
But maybe that's because I'm British and I understand that this is really just a complete piss take on the rest of the world.
If I had wanted to read a serious comparison, I would have read Wikipedia</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987366</id>
	<title>Re:objective my ass...</title>
	<author>hapalibashi</author>
	<datestamp>1256989980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can't classify a user ignoring the rated fuse *written on the plug* and *color coded on the plug* as a failure of the UK plug.

The fuse is there for the same good reasons that (some) appliances have fuses inside -&gt; fit the wrong one and it won't work properly (which is what Wikipedia says!); wiring will melt, (more) circuitry will fry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't classify a user ignoring the rated fuse * written on the plug * and * color coded on the plug * as a failure of the UK plug .
The fuse is there for the same good reasons that ( some ) appliances have fuses inside - &gt; fit the wrong one and it wo n't work properly ( which is what Wikipedia says !
) ; wiring will melt , ( more ) circuitry will fry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't classify a user ignoring the rated fuse *written on the plug* and *color coded on the plug* as a failure of the UK plug.
The fuse is there for the same good reasons that (some) appliances have fuses inside -&gt; fit the wrong one and it won't work properly (which is what Wikipedia says!
); wiring will melt, (more) circuitry will fry.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984936</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983744</id>
	<title>Worst ad laden pages ever.</title>
	<author>laci</author>
	<datestamp>1257021180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>8 pages; only 11 (eleven) lines on the first page; not navigable without javascript enabled; no printable page option.</p><p>Remind me never to go to cnet's page...</p><p>--Laci</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>8 pages ; only 11 ( eleven ) lines on the first page ; not navigable without javascript enabled ; no printable page option.Remind me never to go to cnet 's page...--Laci</tokentext>
<sentencetext>8 pages; only 11 (eleven) lines on the first page; not navigable without javascript enabled; no printable page option.Remind me never to go to cnet's page...--Laci</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989366</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256999400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ovens and stoves are run off dedicated 240V 30A circuits in the US...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ovens and stoves are run off dedicated 240V 30A circuits in the US.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ovens and stoves are run off dedicated 240V 30A circuits in the US...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989708</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257001440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Good luck doing that at 110V</p></div><p>You're right.  I can't wait until we get hot water, ovens, and stoves in America!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good luck doing that at 110VYou 're right .
I ca n't wait until we get hot water , ovens , and stoves in America !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good luck doing that at 110VYou're right.
I can't wait until we get hot water, ovens, and stoves in America!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986674</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29993008</id>
	<title>Re:Aha! Time for my favorite indie design this yea</title>
	<author>zwarte piet</author>
	<datestamp>1257423180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Looks awesome. But my browser warns that it requires extra plugins.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks awesome .
But my browser warns that it requires extra plugins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks awesome.
But my browser warns that it requires extra plugins.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983872</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985258</id>
	<title>Re:Better idea</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1256982720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a little expensive for a 100 watt lamp, don't you think? Fine for an electric stove but overkill for most applications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a little expensive for a 100 watt lamp , do n't you think ?
Fine for an electric stove but overkill for most applications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a little expensive for a 100 watt lamp, don't you think?
Fine for an electric stove but overkill for most applications.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29994384</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1257434280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I also suspect this article was meant to be humourous.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;You suspect humour?</p><p>Not what I said.   I said I suspect the article was "meant" to be humourous (i.e. it failed miserably).   Apparently lack of reading skills is not just an American trait.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I also suspect this article was meant to be humourous. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; You suspect humour ? Not what I said .
I said I suspect the article was " meant " to be humourous ( i.e .
it failed miserably ) .
Apparently lack of reading skills is not just an American trait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I also suspect this article was meant to be humourous.&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You suspect humour?Not what I said.
I said I suspect the article was "meant" to be humourous (i.e.
it failed miserably).
Apparently lack of reading skills is not just an American trait.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983280</id>
	<title>Plugs? Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sometimes I see a question that is so ridiculously picky that I have to stop and say to myself, "Am I really going to waste me time with this? Why do I even care about this? Aren't there better things to do with my life?" This is one of those questions.</p><p>(Obligatory XKCD: http://xkcd.com/198/)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes I see a question that is so ridiculously picky that I have to stop and say to myself , " Am I really going to waste me time with this ?
Why do I even care about this ?
Are n't there better things to do with my life ?
" This is one of those questions .
( Obligatory XKCD : http : //xkcd.com/198/ )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes I see a question that is so ridiculously picky that I have to stop and say to myself, "Am I really going to waste me time with this?
Why do I even care about this?
Aren't there better things to do with my life?
" This is one of those questions.
(Obligatory XKCD: http://xkcd.com/198/)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989128</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256998260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you even read the parent?  He points out that major appliances do use 220V,  but that it is silly for most home electronics/lights.  I'm confused as to how a higher voltage makes things safer - current is voltage/resistance after all, so higher voltage -&gt; higher current if you had a short.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you even read the parent ?
He points out that major appliances do use 220V , but that it is silly for most home electronics/lights .
I 'm confused as to how a higher voltage makes things safer - current is voltage/resistance after all , so higher voltage - &gt; higher current if you had a short .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you even read the parent?
He points out that major appliances do use 220V,  but that it is silly for most home electronics/lights.
I'm confused as to how a higher voltage makes things safer - current is voltage/resistance after all, so higher voltage -&gt; higher current if you had a short.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985672</id>
	<title>Americans make the best butt plug!</title>
	<author>kawabago</author>
	<datestamp>1256983860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Americans make the best butt plug!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Americans make the best butt plug !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Americans make the best butt plug!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992628</id>
	<title>Wooosh!</title>
	<author>PMBjornerud</author>
	<datestamp>1257418680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You suspect humour? I suspect that Americans do not understand it at all! I was laughing all the way! But maybe that's because I'm British and I understand that this is really just a complete piss take on the rest of the world.</p></div><p>I'm not British, but I cringe reading the comments here and wonder why on earth this whole story haven't been tagged "Wooosh!" yet.</p><p>Seems irony is becoming a lost art...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You suspect humour ?
I suspect that Americans do not understand it at all !
I was laughing all the way !
But maybe that 's because I 'm British and I understand that this is really just a complete piss take on the rest of the world.I 'm not British , but I cringe reading the comments here and wonder why on earth this whole story have n't been tagged " Wooosh !
" yet.Seems irony is becoming a lost art.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You suspect humour?
I suspect that Americans do not understand it at all!
I was laughing all the way!
But maybe that's because I'm British and I understand that this is really just a complete piss take on the rest of the world.I'm not British, but I cringe reading the comments here and wonder why on earth this whole story haven't been tagged "Wooosh!
" yet.Seems irony is becoming a lost art...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985074</id>
	<title>I RTFA...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256982180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...I want my 8 clicks back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...I want my 8 clicks back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I want my 8 clicks back.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983686</id>
	<title>Sorry, American socket takes top honors...</title>
	<author>pastafazou</author>
	<datestamp>1257021000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://ask.famouswhy.com/What-is-Jenna-Jameson's-nationality\_q11364.html" title="famouswhy.com" rel="nofollow">America</a> [famouswhy.com] gave birth to the ultimate socket.</htmltext>
<tokenext>America [ famouswhy.com ] gave birth to the ultimate socket .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>America [famouswhy.com] gave birth to the ultimate socket.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985152</id>
	<title>It's a...</title>
	<author>amitabh\_mehta</author>
	<datestamp>1256982420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>shameless plug.</htmltext>
<tokenext>shameless plug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>shameless plug.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983302</id>
	<title>Server Not Plugged In</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What plug was their server using?  It seems to have slipped out...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What plug was their server using ?
It seems to have slipped out.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What plug was their server using?
It seems to have slipped out...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983382</id>
	<title>Re:Depends on your criteria</title>
	<author>Profane MuthaFucka</author>
	<datestamp>1257020160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True about the criterium thing. I think the American plugs have better "rectum feel."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True about the criterium thing .
I think the American plugs have better " rectum feel .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True about the criterium thing.
I think the American plugs have better "rectum feel.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992670</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>phision</author>
	<datestamp>1257419340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And what about audio power amplifiers? Consider the average surround amp: 7x50W=3500W + 150W for the subwoofer = 3650W. Add 30\% for the losses.<br>
So I have to run my amp from the dedicated circuit?</htmltext>
<tokenext>And what about audio power amplifiers ?
Consider the average surround amp : 7x50W = 3500W + 150W for the subwoofer = 3650W .
Add 30 \ % for the losses .
So I have to run my amp from the dedicated circuit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what about audio power amplifiers?
Consider the average surround amp: 7x50W=3500W + 150W for the subwoofer = 3650W.
Add 30\% for the losses.
So I have to run my amp from the dedicated circuit?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984998</id>
	<title>Re:Gizmodo covered this about a week ago</title>
	<author>seanthenerd</author>
	<datestamp>1256982000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mod parent up!  The gizmodo article is fantastic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod parent up !
The gizmodo article is fantastic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent up!
The gizmodo article is fantastic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992148</id>
	<title>Re:Europlug and the stupid British socket</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1257413040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree here, the european Socket is not as bad as the article points it out, I think even the 2.5 A (at least I think, I have not heard about it before) limit is wrong here. The only things true in the article is that the socket itself does not enforce fuses (you can get them, but usually the fuses and grounding safety measures of the house installations are enough so no extra fuse on the socket is needed), and childrens protections are not enforced, but you can get them and you can get external ones you can plug into the socket (it is flexible enough that you simply have to put a protectional cover on top of it thanks to the way it is built.</p><p>I personally think the author of the article was pretty ignorant, a lot of european countries including mine use those sockets and we are pretty happy with it.<br>It is definitely way better than the flimsy US ones, and I also would prefer it over the bulky UK ones.</p><p>I am not sure if it is better than the 1980s ISO connector swizerland or italy uses. The advantage of this connector simply is it is smaller, the disadvantage adding childrens protection is way harder than with the european connector due to the smaller slots it has, you either have to build it into the outlet or you have a hard time designing one for the small slots. The standard turn-open child protectors which are common for the european connectors cannot be done on those.</p><p>Anyway the most miserable ones I have encountered on my journeys so far really are the US ones, that is pretty much the only thing I agree with, in the article.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree here , the european Socket is not as bad as the article points it out , I think even the 2.5 A ( at least I think , I have not heard about it before ) limit is wrong here .
The only things true in the article is that the socket itself does not enforce fuses ( you can get them , but usually the fuses and grounding safety measures of the house installations are enough so no extra fuse on the socket is needed ) , and childrens protections are not enforced , but you can get them and you can get external ones you can plug into the socket ( it is flexible enough that you simply have to put a protectional cover on top of it thanks to the way it is built.I personally think the author of the article was pretty ignorant , a lot of european countries including mine use those sockets and we are pretty happy with it.It is definitely way better than the flimsy US ones , and I also would prefer it over the bulky UK ones.I am not sure if it is better than the 1980s ISO connector swizerland or italy uses .
The advantage of this connector simply is it is smaller , the disadvantage adding childrens protection is way harder than with the european connector due to the smaller slots it has , you either have to build it into the outlet or you have a hard time designing one for the small slots .
The standard turn-open child protectors which are common for the european connectors can not be done on those.Anyway the most miserable ones I have encountered on my journeys so far really are the US ones , that is pretty much the only thing I agree with , in the article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree here, the european Socket is not as bad as the article points it out, I think even the 2.5 A (at least I think, I have not heard about it before) limit is wrong here.
The only things true in the article is that the socket itself does not enforce fuses (you can get them, but usually the fuses and grounding safety measures of the house installations are enough so no extra fuse on the socket is needed), and childrens protections are not enforced, but you can get them and you can get external ones you can plug into the socket (it is flexible enough that you simply have to put a protectional cover on top of it thanks to the way it is built.I personally think the author of the article was pretty ignorant, a lot of european countries including mine use those sockets and we are pretty happy with it.It is definitely way better than the flimsy US ones, and I also would prefer it over the bulky UK ones.I am not sure if it is better than the 1980s ISO connector swizerland or italy uses.
The advantage of this connector simply is it is smaller, the disadvantage adding childrens protection is way harder than with the european connector due to the smaller slots it has, you either have to build it into the outlet or you have a hard time designing one for the small slots.
The standard turn-open child protectors which are common for the european connectors cannot be done on those.Anyway the most miserable ones I have encountered on my journeys so far really are the US ones, that is pretty much the only thing I agree with, in the article.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984700</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992926</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>fuzzywig</author>
	<datestamp>1257422220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've electrocuted myself off 240V a couple of times, and it's quite painful.  I'd say it felt about as painful as a shock of a small electric fence (the sort you'd keep chickenz in), but I did get more of a 'jolt'.  (it's all pretty hard to describe, but it kinda felt like there was more going through than an electric fence).

Of course, that's just a shock through one hand, if it had arced through my chest I might not have got off so lightly...

Also, out of interest, are the plugs that are used for three phase the same all over the world?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've electrocuted myself off 240V a couple of times , and it 's quite painful .
I 'd say it felt about as painful as a shock of a small electric fence ( the sort you 'd keep chickenz in ) , but I did get more of a 'jolt' .
( it 's all pretty hard to describe , but it kinda felt like there was more going through than an electric fence ) .
Of course , that 's just a shock through one hand , if it had arced through my chest I might not have got off so lightly.. . Also , out of interest , are the plugs that are used for three phase the same all over the world ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've electrocuted myself off 240V a couple of times, and it's quite painful.
I'd say it felt about as painful as a shock of a small electric fence (the sort you'd keep chickenz in), but I did get more of a 'jolt'.
(it's all pretty hard to describe, but it kinda felt like there was more going through than an electric fence).
Of course, that's just a shock through one hand, if it had arced through my chest I might not have got off so lightly...

Also, out of interest, are the plugs that are used for three phase the same all over the world?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985104</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983326</id>
	<title>Is this really front page news?</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1257020040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, why don't you just post "Nothing happened today" in big letters on the front page?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , why do n't you just post " Nothing happened today " in big letters on the front page ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, why don't you just post "Nothing happened today" in big letters on the front page?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986252</id>
	<title>Re:Aha! Time for my favorite indie design this yea</title>
	<author>KonoWatakushi</author>
	<datestamp>1256985600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This looks brilliant, but I am curious if the plug can handle much current, given the tiny rotating sleeve type connections.  Also, how durable are those connections?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This looks brilliant , but I am curious if the plug can handle much current , given the tiny rotating sleeve type connections .
Also , how durable are those connections ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This looks brilliant, but I am curious if the plug can handle much current, given the tiny rotating sleeve type connections.
Also, how durable are those connections?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983872</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988188</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256993460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you're just bitter because you lost, ha ha!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you 're just bitter because you lost , ha ha !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you're just bitter because you lost, ha ha!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29990724</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>FallinWithStyle</author>
	<datestamp>1257009060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well the biggest "what the fuck" moment for me was on page 8/8:

"There is only one possible criticism of the UK plug and socket system, and that's that it doesn't really look like a happy, smiling face -- the Americans can hold that over us."

I was initially shocked at the possibility of nationalism reaching this point... But then again, I am an American... so whoosh!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well the biggest " what the fuck " moment for me was on page 8/8 : " There is only one possible criticism of the UK plug and socket system , and that 's that it does n't really look like a happy , smiling face -- the Americans can hold that over us .
" I was initially shocked at the possibility of nationalism reaching this point... But then again , I am an American... so whoosh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well the biggest "what the fuck" moment for me was on page 8/8:

"There is only one possible criticism of the UK plug and socket system, and that's that it doesn't really look like a happy, smiling face -- the Americans can hold that over us.
"

I was initially shocked at the possibility of nationalism reaching this point... But then again, I am an American... so whoosh!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986280</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29993102</id>
	<title>Re:Just refreshed electrical in my US home...</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1257424260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because the UK plug takes the cable down along the wall, rather than sticking out of it, you can't pull a plug out by the cable. This is a safety feature, it avoids having plugs half plugged-in.</p><p>It also means you're less likely to trip, as the wire is against the wall/floor from the start. It's obviously still possible to trip over wires, but you're most likely to pull your appliance off the table or whatever... sockets are very securely fixed into the wall.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the UK plug takes the cable down along the wall , rather than sticking out of it , you ca n't pull a plug out by the cable .
This is a safety feature , it avoids having plugs half plugged-in.It also means you 're less likely to trip , as the wire is against the wall/floor from the start .
It 's obviously still possible to trip over wires , but you 're most likely to pull your appliance off the table or whatever... sockets are very securely fixed into the wall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the UK plug takes the cable down along the wall, rather than sticking out of it, you can't pull a plug out by the cable.
This is a safety feature, it avoids having plugs half plugged-in.It also means you're less likely to trip, as the wire is against the wall/floor from the start.
It's obviously still possible to trip over wires, but you're most likely to pull your appliance off the table or whatever... sockets are very securely fixed into the wall.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29990544</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257007500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ring circuits don't exist in the US as the NEC outlaws them.  Similar thing in Canada, too.</p><p>The closest thing to a ring circuit that exists in North America would either be a split duplex fed two phases (one per outlet) with a single neutral, which cuts down on one conductor, or simply running two (or more) conductors in parallel (increasing the amount of current that can be safely handled in all cases) when no neutral is required (eg: two-phase 220 v or three-phase delta).</p><p>A ring circuit has two completely separate runs of cable originating from the same breaker being fed through multiple outlets using wire rated for half the breaker's capability (eg:  2 x 14 AWG wire on a 30 A breaker).  This creates multiple paths for neutral with is an absolute no-no over here.  If an outlet (or just bad wiring) causes a break in the neutral the result is up to double the safe the current flowing over the neutral and no breaker popping.  That spells fire over the long term.</p><p>It's an incredibly flawed design that requires outlets that are not equipped for the maximum current a load can put on them (26 A IIRC in the UK, yet the plugs and outlets are designed for only 13 A each).  Instead, the stopgap measure of putting a fuse in the plug is used.</p><p>Apart from ring circuits, though, the British plug design is sound.  It's too bad the reasoning behind it is the bad wiring legally installed behind the walls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ring circuits do n't exist in the US as the NEC outlaws them .
Similar thing in Canada , too.The closest thing to a ring circuit that exists in North America would either be a split duplex fed two phases ( one per outlet ) with a single neutral , which cuts down on one conductor , or simply running two ( or more ) conductors in parallel ( increasing the amount of current that can be safely handled in all cases ) when no neutral is required ( eg : two-phase 220 v or three-phase delta ) .A ring circuit has two completely separate runs of cable originating from the same breaker being fed through multiple outlets using wire rated for half the breaker 's capability ( eg : 2 x 14 AWG wire on a 30 A breaker ) .
This creates multiple paths for neutral with is an absolute no-no over here .
If an outlet ( or just bad wiring ) causes a break in the neutral the result is up to double the safe the current flowing over the neutral and no breaker popping .
That spells fire over the long term.It 's an incredibly flawed design that requires outlets that are not equipped for the maximum current a load can put on them ( 26 A IIRC in the UK , yet the plugs and outlets are designed for only 13 A each ) .
Instead , the stopgap measure of putting a fuse in the plug is used.Apart from ring circuits , though , the British plug design is sound .
It 's too bad the reasoning behind it is the bad wiring legally installed behind the walls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ring circuits don't exist in the US as the NEC outlaws them.
Similar thing in Canada, too.The closest thing to a ring circuit that exists in North America would either be a split duplex fed two phases (one per outlet) with a single neutral, which cuts down on one conductor, or simply running two (or more) conductors in parallel (increasing the amount of current that can be safely handled in all cases) when no neutral is required (eg: two-phase 220 v or three-phase delta).A ring circuit has two completely separate runs of cable originating from the same breaker being fed through multiple outlets using wire rated for half the breaker's capability (eg:  2 x 14 AWG wire on a 30 A breaker).
This creates multiple paths for neutral with is an absolute no-no over here.
If an outlet (or just bad wiring) causes a break in the neutral the result is up to double the safe the current flowing over the neutral and no breaker popping.
That spells fire over the long term.It's an incredibly flawed design that requires outlets that are not equipped for the maximum current a load can put on them (26 A IIRC in the UK, yet the plugs and outlets are designed for only 13 A each).
Instead, the stopgap measure of putting a fuse in the plug is used.Apart from ring circuits, though, the British plug design is sound.
It's too bad the reasoning behind it is the bad wiring legally installed behind the walls.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29999208</id>
	<title>Re:objective my ass...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257413460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>US outlets sometimes have rotating shutters; plastic plugs also exist for US outlets to protect kids (if the child is old enough to know how to remove it, the child is old enough to be taught not to). GFCI outlets are only needed for 1 outlet on each power leg (cheaper than putting a fuse in EVERY device). Most US hair dryers and some other high-power devices also have circuit breakers now.</p><p>The international idiocy of putting 240V in devices that don't need it (clothes dryers, stoves, etc.) is just weird. The C1 to C8 connectors (for boom boxes, video games, shavers, laptops, etc) is a move in the right direction, but why do we need 8 different styles? Pick 1 two-prong and 1 3-prong grounded type, and standardize EVERYTHING that will run on 1-2 amps and/or a power brick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>US outlets sometimes have rotating shutters ; plastic plugs also exist for US outlets to protect kids ( if the child is old enough to know how to remove it , the child is old enough to be taught not to ) .
GFCI outlets are only needed for 1 outlet on each power leg ( cheaper than putting a fuse in EVERY device ) .
Most US hair dryers and some other high-power devices also have circuit breakers now.The international idiocy of putting 240V in devices that do n't need it ( clothes dryers , stoves , etc .
) is just weird .
The C1 to C8 connectors ( for boom boxes , video games , shavers , laptops , etc ) is a move in the right direction , but why do we need 8 different styles ?
Pick 1 two-prong and 1 3-prong grounded type , and standardize EVERYTHING that will run on 1-2 amps and/or a power brick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>US outlets sometimes have rotating shutters; plastic plugs also exist for US outlets to protect kids (if the child is old enough to know how to remove it, the child is old enough to be taught not to).
GFCI outlets are only needed for 1 outlet on each power leg (cheaper than putting a fuse in EVERY device).
Most US hair dryers and some other high-power devices also have circuit breakers now.The international idiocy of putting 240V in devices that don't need it (clothes dryers, stoves, etc.
) is just weird.
The C1 to C8 connectors (for boom boxes, video games, shavers, laptops, etc) is a move in the right direction, but why do we need 8 different styles?
Pick 1 two-prong and 1 3-prong grounded type, and standardize EVERYTHING that will run on 1-2 amps and/or a power brick.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992042</id>
	<title>Re:Europlug and the stupid British socket</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257411720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>2) The European socket allows you to plug the cables upside down (which is extremely helpful in certain situations).</p></div><p>It's also fairly dangerous.  IIRC, the neutral is usually grounded back at the plant -- that doesn't mean that neutral-ground is 0V at your house, but it is usually much smaller than live-ground -- perhaps 40V.  (It's only live-neutral that has to be the rated 240V).  If you plug in, say, an old bar heater, the off switch on the heater will break the live but not the neutral.  If you've plugged it in upside down, you've broken the neutral not the live and parts of your heater are still at a potential of 240V.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>2 ) The European socket allows you to plug the cables upside down ( which is extremely helpful in certain situations ) .It 's also fairly dangerous .
IIRC , the neutral is usually grounded back at the plant -- that does n't mean that neutral-ground is 0V at your house , but it is usually much smaller than live-ground -- perhaps 40V .
( It 's only live-neutral that has to be the rated 240V ) .
If you plug in , say , an old bar heater , the off switch on the heater will break the live but not the neutral .
If you 've plugged it in upside down , you 've broken the neutral not the live and parts of your heater are still at a potential of 240V .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2) The European socket allows you to plug the cables upside down (which is extremely helpful in certain situations).It's also fairly dangerous.
IIRC, the neutral is usually grounded back at the plant -- that doesn't mean that neutral-ground is 0V at your house, but it is usually much smaller than live-ground -- perhaps 40V.
(It's only live-neutral that has to be the rated 240V).
If you plug in, say, an old bar heater, the off switch on the heater will break the live but not the neutral.
If you've plugged it in upside down, you've broken the neutral not the live and parts of your heater are still at a potential of 240V.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989814</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>aaarrrgggh</author>
	<datestamp>1257002460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dryers and ovens are run at either 208 or 240V in the US; we use a center neutral, so residential services still have 240V power available for large appliances.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dryers and ovens are run at either 208 or 240V in the US ; we use a center neutral , so residential services still have 240V power available for large appliances .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dryers and ovens are run at either 208 or 240V in the US; we use a center neutral, so residential services still have 240V power available for large appliances.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988198</id>
	<title>Re:Just refreshed electrical in my US home...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256993520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fuse isn't a substitute for GFCI or AFCI.  It's there because in the UK they run one 230V 30A ring circuit and put the onus for circuit protection in the plug.  They do not run separate circuits for each room (or in some cases each outlet) to the main panel like we do in the U.S.  By the way, fuses are better than circuit breakers because the act faster.  </p><p> That A/C is either wired out wrong or what you are calling a neutral is a case ground.  If there is return current on the neutral (which is what makes it a neutral) then it was definitely wired wrong and you need to get an electrician out there to redo it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fuse is n't a substitute for GFCI or AFCI .
It 's there because in the UK they run one 230V 30A ring circuit and put the onus for circuit protection in the plug .
They do not run separate circuits for each room ( or in some cases each outlet ) to the main panel like we do in the U.S. By the way , fuses are better than circuit breakers because the act faster .
That A/C is either wired out wrong or what you are calling a neutral is a case ground .
If there is return current on the neutral ( which is what makes it a neutral ) then it was definitely wired wrong and you need to get an electrician out there to redo it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fuse isn't a substitute for GFCI or AFCI.
It's there because in the UK they run one 230V 30A ring circuit and put the onus for circuit protection in the plug.
They do not run separate circuits for each room (or in some cases each outlet) to the main panel like we do in the U.S.  By the way, fuses are better than circuit breakers because the act faster.
That A/C is either wired out wrong or what you are calling a neutral is a case ground.
If there is return current on the neutral (which is what makes it a neutral) then it was definitely wired wrong and you need to get an electrician out there to redo it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988128</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256993220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're wrong on a number of levels.</p><p>First, you obviously don't understand Ohm's Law. Amperage and voltage are inversely proportional when the wattage is constant. The equation is P=IE (watts = volts * amps).</p><p>Here's an example:</p><p>A 100 watt light bulb operating at 120 volts draws<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.84 amps.</p><p>A 100 watt light bulb operating at 220 volts draws<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.45 amps.</p><p>Second, the wiring topology is independent from the line voltage. There is no technical requirement for ring wiring with 220v.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're wrong on a number of levels.First , you obviously do n't understand Ohm 's Law .
Amperage and voltage are inversely proportional when the wattage is constant .
The equation is P = IE ( watts = volts * amps ) .Here 's an example : A 100 watt light bulb operating at 120 volts draws .84 amps.A 100 watt light bulb operating at 220 volts draws .45 amps.Second , the wiring topology is independent from the line voltage .
There is no technical requirement for ring wiring with 220v .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're wrong on a number of levels.First, you obviously don't understand Ohm's Law.
Amperage and voltage are inversely proportional when the wattage is constant.
The equation is P=IE (watts = volts * amps).Here's an example:A 100 watt light bulb operating at 120 volts draws .84 amps.A 100 watt light bulb operating at 220 volts draws .45 amps.Second, the wiring topology is independent from the line voltage.
There is no technical requirement for ring wiring with 220v.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984830</id>
	<title>The IEC connector, in all its forms.</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1256981400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Technically, the IEC power connector, as found on the back of most computers, is one of the best.  You usually see a chassis-mount IEC male connector and a cord-mount female connector, but <a href="http://www.futurlec.com/Plugs-IEC.shtml" title="futurlec.com">the reverse forms are available.</a> [futurlec.com]  <a href="http://www.bryant-broadcast.co.uk/IEC\%2008" title="bryant-broadcast.co.uk">IEC "wall sockets"</a> [bryant-broadcast.co.uk] are sometimes found in rackmount server outlet strips.  The plug is shrouded, and the socket has an enclosing slot for the shroud, so at no time are energized pins exposed. The shroud engages the enclosing slot before the pins make contact.  That's a key safety feature. It allows a smaller plug; if exposed pins are energized while the plug is being plugged in, the plug has to be made larger to keep fingers away from the pins.
</p><p>
IEC is a flat-pin design, which is good. Getting a large contact area on round pins is hard, so round-pin connectors of a given size usually carry less current.   Flat-pin contacts just slide between two flat spring-loaded blades, which can accommodate wear on both surfaces.  The split-cylinder contacts of round-pin female connectors have to match closely, so as they wear, the inside radius of the cylinder increases and no longer properly matches the pin.
Round pins vs. flat contact blades are sometimes used; they wear better, but the the contact area is small.
</p><p>
The older round-pin European connectors are only rated for 10A, sometimes only 7.5A.  At 240V, this is adequate.  IEC connectors are rated for 15A, and there's a 20A form.
</p><p>
Today we expect connectors to just work, but it took considerable engineering to get to that point.  As late as  1980, computers had serious problems with connector unreliability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Technically , the IEC power connector , as found on the back of most computers , is one of the best .
You usually see a chassis-mount IEC male connector and a cord-mount female connector , but the reverse forms are available .
[ futurlec.com ] IEC " wall sockets " [ bryant-broadcast.co.uk ] are sometimes found in rackmount server outlet strips .
The plug is shrouded , and the socket has an enclosing slot for the shroud , so at no time are energized pins exposed .
The shroud engages the enclosing slot before the pins make contact .
That 's a key safety feature .
It allows a smaller plug ; if exposed pins are energized while the plug is being plugged in , the plug has to be made larger to keep fingers away from the pins .
IEC is a flat-pin design , which is good .
Getting a large contact area on round pins is hard , so round-pin connectors of a given size usually carry less current .
Flat-pin contacts just slide between two flat spring-loaded blades , which can accommodate wear on both surfaces .
The split-cylinder contacts of round-pin female connectors have to match closely , so as they wear , the inside radius of the cylinder increases and no longer properly matches the pin .
Round pins vs. flat contact blades are sometimes used ; they wear better , but the the contact area is small .
The older round-pin European connectors are only rated for 10A , sometimes only 7.5A .
At 240V , this is adequate .
IEC connectors are rated for 15A , and there 's a 20A form .
Today we expect connectors to just work , but it took considerable engineering to get to that point .
As late as 1980 , computers had serious problems with connector unreliability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Technically, the IEC power connector, as found on the back of most computers, is one of the best.
You usually see a chassis-mount IEC male connector and a cord-mount female connector, but the reverse forms are available.
[futurlec.com]  IEC "wall sockets" [bryant-broadcast.co.uk] are sometimes found in rackmount server outlet strips.
The plug is shrouded, and the socket has an enclosing slot for the shroud, so at no time are energized pins exposed.
The shroud engages the enclosing slot before the pins make contact.
That's a key safety feature.
It allows a smaller plug; if exposed pins are energized while the plug is being plugged in, the plug has to be made larger to keep fingers away from the pins.
IEC is a flat-pin design, which is good.
Getting a large contact area on round pins is hard, so round-pin connectors of a given size usually carry less current.
Flat-pin contacts just slide between two flat spring-loaded blades, which can accommodate wear on both surfaces.
The split-cylinder contacts of round-pin female connectors have to match closely, so as they wear, the inside radius of the cylinder increases and no longer properly matches the pin.
Round pins vs. flat contact blades are sometimes used; they wear better, but the the contact area is small.
The older round-pin European connectors are only rated for 10A, sometimes only 7.5A.
At 240V, this is adequate.
IEC connectors are rated for 15A, and there's a 20A form.
Today we expect connectors to just work, but it took considerable engineering to get to that point.
As late as  1980, computers had serious problems with connector unreliability.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988114</id>
	<title>Re:Europlug and the stupid British socket</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256993100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was a humorous article<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... lighten up<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.....</p><p>If as I suspect you are from the USA, I hope you see the irony in calling any other country in the world arrogant. But you'd need a sense of humour to spot irony, eh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was a humorous article .... lighten up .....If as I suspect you are from the USA , I hope you see the irony in calling any other country in the world arrogant .
But you 'd need a sense of humour to spot irony , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was a humorous article .... lighten up .....If as I suspect you are from the USA, I hope you see the irony in calling any other country in the world arrogant.
But you'd need a sense of humour to spot irony, eh?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983796</id>
	<title>Cnet.uk's plugs are no good</title>
	<author>cadeon</author>
	<datestamp>1257021360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Site is pretty much slashdotted at the moment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Site is pretty much slashdotted at the moment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Site is pretty much slashdotted at the moment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983782</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257021300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I dunno when you last heard that from someone.  Bare wire appliances haven't been sold since the 70's or early 80's in my memory (no doubt there's an exception somewhere).  And the 100 plug thing is just bizarre.  It's a single UK standard plug and that's it and has been since I can remember (I'm 40).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno when you last heard that from someone .
Bare wire appliances have n't been sold since the 70 's or early 80 's in my memory ( no doubt there 's an exception somewhere ) .
And the 100 plug thing is just bizarre .
It 's a single UK standard plug and that 's it and has been since I can remember ( I 'm 40 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno when you last heard that from someone.
Bare wire appliances haven't been sold since the 70's or early 80's in my memory (no doubt there's an exception somewhere).
And the 100 plug thing is just bizarre.
It's a single UK standard plug and that's it and has been since I can remember (I'm 40).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992062</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257411900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait - so you've got two different, incompatible standards (110V and 220V) in the same country?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait - so you 've got two different , incompatible standards ( 110V and 220V ) in the same country ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait - so you've got two different, incompatible standards (110V and 220V) in the same country?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988444</id>
	<title>Re:Aha! Time for my favorite indie design this yea</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1256994720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The plug was designed so that as well as unfolding to plug into british sockets it could plug into special sockets while still folded.</p><p>Not that I think they have much chance of getting it past the regulators and produced in sufficiant quantities to make a difference. The article doesn't even make it clear if they have a functioning prototype yet or just mockups.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The plug was designed so that as well as unfolding to plug into british sockets it could plug into special sockets while still folded.Not that I think they have much chance of getting it past the regulators and produced in sufficiant quantities to make a difference .
The article does n't even make it clear if they have a functioning prototype yet or just mockups .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The plug was designed so that as well as unfolding to plug into british sockets it could plug into special sockets while still folded.Not that I think they have much chance of getting it past the regulators and produced in sufficiant quantities to make a difference.
The article doesn't even make it clear if they have a functioning prototype yet or just mockups.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983874</id>
	<title>"The Italian design"</title>
	<author>whoever57</author>
	<datestamp>1257021540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The question for Italy is "Which Italian design"? Italy has several 220V outlet styles which are in active use. The UK used to have a couple of round pin designs also in common use, but these have pretty much gone the way of the dodo (except for some specialst uses).</htmltext>
<tokenext>The question for Italy is " Which Italian design " ?
Italy has several 220V outlet styles which are in active use .
The UK used to have a couple of round pin designs also in common use , but these have pretty much gone the way of the dodo ( except for some specialst uses ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question for Italy is "Which Italian design"?
Italy has several 220V outlet styles which are in active use.
The UK used to have a couple of round pin designs also in common use, but these have pretty much gone the way of the dodo (except for some specialst uses).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983266</id>
	<title>As I found out on my trip from the US to the UK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Many laptop makers (and probably makers of other electronics too) design their power supplies to be universal. All you need to change is the (usually removable) cable that goes from the outlet to the transformer. I was able to charge my American Macbook by taking the cable out of the clock radio in my room and plugging it into the little square Macbook transformer box thingy. Since that's a feature they don't even bother advertising, I imagine it's cheap and easy enough to make no one's socket better than anyone else's.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many laptop makers ( and probably makers of other electronics too ) design their power supplies to be universal .
All you need to change is the ( usually removable ) cable that goes from the outlet to the transformer .
I was able to charge my American Macbook by taking the cable out of the clock radio in my room and plugging it into the little square Macbook transformer box thingy .
Since that 's a feature they do n't even bother advertising , I imagine it 's cheap and easy enough to make no one 's socket better than anyone else 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many laptop makers (and probably makers of other electronics too) design their power supplies to be universal.
All you need to change is the (usually removable) cable that goes from the outlet to the transformer.
I was able to charge my American Macbook by taking the cable out of the clock radio in my room and plugging it into the little square Macbook transformer box thingy.
Since that's a feature they don't even bother advertising, I imagine it's cheap and easy enough to make no one's socket better than anyone else's.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985032</id>
	<title>True story... the hair dryer melted her hair</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1256982120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I knew someone that took her hair dryer to europe and used an adapter to plug in her hair dryer.</p><p>It was basically changed from a hair dryer into a hair melter.  Fortunately she wasn't seriously burned.  She related how the jet turbine sound should have warned her but it was already swinging up to her head at that point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I knew someone that took her hair dryer to europe and used an adapter to plug in her hair dryer.It was basically changed from a hair dryer into a hair melter .
Fortunately she was n't seriously burned .
She related how the jet turbine sound should have warned her but it was already swinging up to her head at that point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I knew someone that took her hair dryer to europe and used an adapter to plug in her hair dryer.It was basically changed from a hair dryer into a hair melter.
Fortunately she wasn't seriously burned.
She related how the jet turbine sound should have warned her but it was already swinging up to her head at that point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984086</id>
	<title>UK websites aren't any better!</title>
	<author>DrPeper</author>
	<datestamp>1257022260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well apparently UK websites are not any better than US ones or websites in any other country because the website is down.  Slashdoted!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well apparently UK websites are not any better than US ones or websites in any other country because the website is down .
Slashdoted !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well apparently UK websites are not any better than US ones or websites in any other country because the website is down.
Slashdoted!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29990006</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257003840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Being a euro I can speak from experience that touching a open wire here in euroland only just stings a bit.</p><p>If for some reason your hand grabs on to an exposed wire you might have a uncomfortable time though, since I've heard that it's actually hard to tell your hand to let go in some cases. But haven't had that experience yet, mostly just touching by accident and having it sting a bit.</p><p>Also I'm reasonably sure the electrical layout depends heavily on what state in euroland your talking about, and at what year the home was built. My house is from ~1940 and the electric wiring probably got redone in the early 80's or something. It has a separate breaker for 2 to 3 rooms. With another separate breaker  for the heavy stuff, like washer/dryer etc..</p><p>So probebly about the same as with you, with the large difference that it's all 230V like god intended.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being a euro I can speak from experience that touching a open wire here in euroland only just stings a bit.If for some reason your hand grabs on to an exposed wire you might have a uncomfortable time though , since I 've heard that it 's actually hard to tell your hand to let go in some cases .
But have n't had that experience yet , mostly just touching by accident and having it sting a bit.Also I 'm reasonably sure the electrical layout depends heavily on what state in euroland your talking about , and at what year the home was built .
My house is from ~ 1940 and the electric wiring probably got redone in the early 80 's or something .
It has a separate breaker for 2 to 3 rooms .
With another separate breaker for the heavy stuff , like washer/dryer etc..So probebly about the same as with you , with the large difference that it 's all 230V like god intended .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being a euro I can speak from experience that touching a open wire here in euroland only just stings a bit.If for some reason your hand grabs on to an exposed wire you might have a uncomfortable time though, since I've heard that it's actually hard to tell your hand to let go in some cases.
But haven't had that experience yet, mostly just touching by accident and having it sting a bit.Also I'm reasonably sure the electrical layout depends heavily on what state in euroland your talking about, and at what year the home was built.
My house is from ~1940 and the electric wiring probably got redone in the early 80's or something.
It has a separate breaker for 2 to 3 rooms.
With another separate breaker  for the heavy stuff, like washer/dryer etc..So probebly about the same as with you, with the large difference that it's all 230V like god intended.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986110</id>
	<title>Re:What a BOGUS article</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1256985180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>UK current tech on the plugs hasn't changed much in 50 years.  The only significant difference is the partial insulation on the prongs.</p><p>Though the legislation regarding the wiring circuit in the building itself has changed quite a bit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>UK current tech on the plugs has n't changed much in 50 years .
The only significant difference is the partial insulation on the prongs.Though the legislation regarding the wiring circuit in the building itself has changed quite a bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>UK current tech on the plugs hasn't changed much in 50 years.
The only significant difference is the partial insulation on the prongs.Though the legislation regarding the wiring circuit in the building itself has changed quite a bit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986870</id>
	<title>European plugs all wrong...</title>
	<author>imevil</author>
	<datestamp>1256987940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been traveling in Europe and especially in Italy and I can tell you the plugs are not really like that:</p><p>- what they call the "Euro Plug" is not a standard for real equipment. You'll never find for example a desktop computer with that plug. You can find mobile phone chargers and small equipment. There is no wall socket for this plug (except maybe still in Italy), as it fits the "real" Euro socket and the Swiss and some more.</p><p>- the real Euro plug is like the French, Czech or Italian for example (like this one: <a href="http://www.more-shop.co.uk/images/EUpccable.png" title="more-shop.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.more-shop.co.uk/images/EUpccable.png</a> [more-shop.co.uk]). Of course some Countries in Europe do not comply (Switzerland for example: <a href="http://www.travelplugs.co.uk/products/uk/sw/sw1\_200x150.jpg" title="travelplugs.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.travelplugs.co.uk/products/uk/sw/sw1\_200x150.jpg</a> [travelplugs.co.uk])</p><p>- the Italian plug they mention is not in use anymore and is being replaced by the above European plug. So Italy has 2 types of sockets (used to have 3).</p><p>- they forgot to mention that "hybrid" wall sockets exist in Europe. For instance you can accomodate both a Swiss plug and a (real) Euro plug, or in Italy, all the 3 types of plugs onto the same socket (it has both a ground pin and hole).</p><p>Article is mostly chauvinistic crap. I've been living in Europe, working there, in strict contact with electricians in several Countries. It is a mess and the standards change in space and time, you cannot just google "Euro plug" and pretend you know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been traveling in Europe and especially in Italy and I can tell you the plugs are not really like that : - what they call the " Euro Plug " is not a standard for real equipment .
You 'll never find for example a desktop computer with that plug .
You can find mobile phone chargers and small equipment .
There is no wall socket for this plug ( except maybe still in Italy ) , as it fits the " real " Euro socket and the Swiss and some more.- the real Euro plug is like the French , Czech or Italian for example ( like this one : http : //www.more-shop.co.uk/images/EUpccable.png [ more-shop.co.uk ] ) .
Of course some Countries in Europe do not comply ( Switzerland for example : http : //www.travelplugs.co.uk/products/uk/sw/sw1 \ _200x150.jpg [ travelplugs.co.uk ] ) - the Italian plug they mention is not in use anymore and is being replaced by the above European plug .
So Italy has 2 types of sockets ( used to have 3 ) .- they forgot to mention that " hybrid " wall sockets exist in Europe .
For instance you can accomodate both a Swiss plug and a ( real ) Euro plug , or in Italy , all the 3 types of plugs onto the same socket ( it has both a ground pin and hole ) .Article is mostly chauvinistic crap .
I 've been living in Europe , working there , in strict contact with electricians in several Countries .
It is a mess and the standards change in space and time , you can not just google " Euro plug " and pretend you know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been traveling in Europe and especially in Italy and I can tell you the plugs are not really like that:- what they call the "Euro Plug" is not a standard for real equipment.
You'll never find for example a desktop computer with that plug.
You can find mobile phone chargers and small equipment.
There is no wall socket for this plug (except maybe still in Italy), as it fits the "real" Euro socket and the Swiss and some more.- the real Euro plug is like the French, Czech or Italian for example (like this one: http://www.more-shop.co.uk/images/EUpccable.png [more-shop.co.uk]).
Of course some Countries in Europe do not comply (Switzerland for example: http://www.travelplugs.co.uk/products/uk/sw/sw1\_200x150.jpg [travelplugs.co.uk])- the Italian plug they mention is not in use anymore and is being replaced by the above European plug.
So Italy has 2 types of sockets (used to have 3).- they forgot to mention that "hybrid" wall sockets exist in Europe.
For instance you can accomodate both a Swiss plug and a (real) Euro plug, or in Italy, all the 3 types of plugs onto the same socket (it has both a ground pin and hole).Article is mostly chauvinistic crap.
I've been living in Europe, working there, in strict contact with electricians in several Countries.
It is a mess and the standards change in space and time, you cannot just google "Euro plug" and pretend you know.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986042</id>
	<title>Re:Just refreshed electrical in my US home...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256985000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a master electrician. If your air conditioner does not have an equipment grounding conductor installed, it was installed improperly.  If the neutral, "grounded conductor" in NEC speak, is bonded to the case of the equipment and is serving as an equipment grounding conductor, that is incorrect as well.  It is probable that your unit requires 240 volts only and does not need a neutral, in which case you should have 2 hots (ungrounded conductors), 1 grounding conductor, and no neutral (grounded conductor).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a master electrician .
If your air conditioner does not have an equipment grounding conductor installed , it was installed improperly .
If the neutral , " grounded conductor " in NEC speak , is bonded to the case of the equipment and is serving as an equipment grounding conductor , that is incorrect as well .
It is probable that your unit requires 240 volts only and does not need a neutral , in which case you should have 2 hots ( ungrounded conductors ) , 1 grounding conductor , and no neutral ( grounded conductor ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a master electrician.
If your air conditioner does not have an equipment grounding conductor installed, it was installed improperly.
If the neutral, "grounded conductor" in NEC speak, is bonded to the case of the equipment and is serving as an equipment grounding conductor, that is incorrect as well.
It is probable that your unit requires 240 volts only and does not need a neutral, in which case you should have 2 hots (ungrounded conductors), 1 grounding conductor, and no neutral (grounded conductor).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984584</id>
	<title>12V</title>
	<author>MrLint</author>
	<datestamp>1256980620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Id like to see some kinda standard for domestic DC. USB is common for chargers, but they all are wall warts for AC of some type.. Mebbe an outlet with 1 AC and 1 DC with an internal rectifier?</p><p>I cant see using USB for things like your TV of DVD player, so something a bit more robust might be in order.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Id like to see some kinda standard for domestic DC .
USB is common for chargers , but they all are wall warts for AC of some type.. Mebbe an outlet with 1 AC and 1 DC with an internal rectifier ? I cant see using USB for things like your TV of DVD player , so something a bit more robust might be in order .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Id like to see some kinda standard for domestic DC.
USB is common for chargers, but they all are wall warts for AC of some type.. Mebbe an outlet with 1 AC and 1 DC with an internal rectifier?I cant see using USB for things like your TV of DVD player, so something a bit more robust might be in order.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989592</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257000660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you even read the parent?</p><p>"Other appliances, generally those with electric heating elements (such as a range, water heater, furnace, machines such as a tablesaw) run off dedicated 220V circuits."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you even read the parent ?
" Other appliances , generally those with electric heating elements ( such as a range , water heater , furnace , machines such as a tablesaw ) run off dedicated 220V circuits .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you even read the parent?
"Other appliances, generally those with electric heating elements (such as a range, water heater, furnace, machines such as a tablesaw) run off dedicated 220V circuits.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29990572</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257007740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That nasty UK caltrop got 10 out of 10? I say it deserves at lest -3 for sheer foot hazard</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That nasty UK caltrop got 10 out of 10 ?
I say it deserves at lest -3 for sheer foot hazard</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That nasty UK caltrop got 10 out of 10?
I say it deserves at lest -3 for sheer foot hazard</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29991574</id>
	<title>Re:objective my ass...</title>
	<author>raftpeople</author>
	<datestamp>1257016920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It was a joke.<br> <br>
A humorous article.<br> <br>
That's why things like having an outlet that looks like a smiley face gained that country points.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was a joke .
A humorous article .
That 's why things like having an outlet that looks like a smiley face gained that country points .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was a joke.
A humorous article.
That's why things like having an outlet that looks like a smiley face gained that country points.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984604</id>
	<title>lame...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256980680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When was the last time the writer saw a plug in the USA,  1940?    All wall sockets in the USA  have a ground plug, and a circut breaker in the house.  Most of the things that use low current only have 2 prongs sure,  but one of those prongs is bigger than the other,  same with the wall sockets.  They only fit one way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When was the last time the writer saw a plug in the USA , 1940 ?
All wall sockets in the USA have a ground plug , and a circut breaker in the house .
Most of the things that use low current only have 2 prongs sure , but one of those prongs is bigger than the other , same with the wall sockets .
They only fit one way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When was the last time the writer saw a plug in the USA,  1940?
All wall sockets in the USA  have a ground plug, and a circut breaker in the house.
Most of the things that use low current only have 2 prongs sure,  but one of those prongs is bigger than the other,  same with the wall sockets.
They only fit one way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985986</id>
	<title>Re:Aha! Time for my favorite indie design this yea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256984820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Scroll down a bit on the GP's page. There's also an adapter that houses multiple plugs while they remain folded.</p><p>Honestly, that's quite a nice design.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Scroll down a bit on the GP 's page .
There 's also an adapter that houses multiple plugs while they remain folded.Honestly , that 's quite a nice design .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Scroll down a bit on the GP's page.
There's also an adapter that houses multiple plugs while they remain folded.Honestly, that's quite a nice design.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29995932</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257441960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those are great arguments. Sadly, they are rendered moot by the fact that in the US there are two legs of 110 power running to each house, and we do have 220V sockets/plugs for our major appliances (which tend not to move much). The only negative is that there are not commonly 220v sockets located everywhere you might want to use high-wattage semi-portable devices, like welders or other garage stuff. Many garages, though, have a sub-panel in them with 220v running to it, making it trivial to distribute 220v around the one place you are most likely to need it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those are great arguments .
Sadly , they are rendered moot by the fact that in the US there are two legs of 110 power running to each house , and we do have 220V sockets/plugs for our major appliances ( which tend not to move much ) .
The only negative is that there are not commonly 220v sockets located everywhere you might want to use high-wattage semi-portable devices , like welders or other garage stuff .
Many garages , though , have a sub-panel in them with 220v running to it , making it trivial to distribute 220v around the one place you are most likely to need it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those are great arguments.
Sadly, they are rendered moot by the fact that in the US there are two legs of 110 power running to each house, and we do have 220V sockets/plugs for our major appliances (which tend not to move much).
The only negative is that there are not commonly 220v sockets located everywhere you might want to use high-wattage semi-portable devices, like welders or other garage stuff.
Many garages, though, have a sub-panel in them with 220v running to it, making it trivial to distribute 220v around the one place you are most likely to need it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984436</id>
	<title>Doesn't really matter anyways...</title>
	<author>PerfectionLost</author>
	<datestamp>1256980140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The first thing I do when I land in a foreign nation is strip all my plugs and jam the bare wires in the outlet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The first thing I do when I land in a foreign nation is strip all my plugs and jam the bare wires in the outlet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first thing I do when I land in a foreign nation is strip all my plugs and jam the bare wires in the outlet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986838</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>517714</author>
	<datestamp>1256987760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The outlet can handle 15 A, but you cannot draw more than 12.5 A through it.  Therefore any claims on hairdryers and vacuum cleaners in excess of 1500 Watts are bogus, and that only occurs at the maximum of 120 V (115 V is the nominal value and has been for years)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The outlet can handle 15 A , but you can not draw more than 12.5 A through it .
Therefore any claims on hairdryers and vacuum cleaners in excess of 1500 Watts are bogus , and that only occurs at the maximum of 120 V ( 115 V is the nominal value and has been for years )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The outlet can handle 15 A, but you cannot draw more than 12.5 A through it.
Therefore any claims on hairdryers and vacuum cleaners in excess of 1500 Watts are bogus, and that only occurs at the maximum of 120 V (115 V is the nominal value and has been for years)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29990102</id>
	<title>Re:Depends on your criteria</title>
	<author>jabuzz</author>
	<datestamp>1257004500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every single device in my house has a correctly rated fuse. In fact I go one better and have 1A, 2A, 7A and 10A fuses available so may devices are fitted with smaller fuses than normal as only 3A, 5A and 13A fuses are in widespread availability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every single device in my house has a correctly rated fuse .
In fact I go one better and have 1A , 2A , 7A and 10A fuses available so may devices are fitted with smaller fuses than normal as only 3A , 5A and 13A fuses are in widespread availability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every single device in my house has a correctly rated fuse.
In fact I go one better and have 1A, 2A, 7A and 10A fuses available so may devices are fitted with smaller fuses than normal as only 3A, 5A and 13A fuses are in widespread availability.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986738</id>
	<title>Re:um no</title>
	<author>jaavaaguru</author>
	<datestamp>1256987460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And they missed out  <a href="http://twitpic.com/oac88" title="twitpic.com">this fantastic example</a> [twitpic.com] which I saw in a shopping mall in Abu Dhabi.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And they missed out this fantastic example [ twitpic.com ] which I saw in a shopping mall in Abu Dhabi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And they missed out  this fantastic example [twitpic.com] which I saw in a shopping mall in Abu Dhabi.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989876</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>eyebum</author>
	<datestamp>1257002880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Did you miss the part about appliances that need more power getting that power through a dedicated circuit?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you miss the part about appliances that need more power getting that power through a dedicated circuit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you miss the part about appliances that need more power getting that power through a dedicated circuit?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986674</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987362</id>
	<title>Re:3-prong ground loop hum?</title>
	<author>lgw</author>
	<datestamp>1256989920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Typically, when you connect two pieces of equipment with a low-power connector (RCA cable, data cable, etc), you connect the chassis grounds.  If both chassis grounds are in turn connected to two different electrical outlets, you create a big loop antenna.  If one or both chassis are double-insulated and don't require a three-prong ground, no problems.  I haven't seen any modern audio equipment with a thre-prong plug, presumably because of this.</p><p>But as the artical in the sibling post points out, not all hums are ground-loop hums.  I had to toss a subwoofer that was just borked after my most recent move - spent some time trying to undertand how I had a ground loop with 2-pin plugs, then finally did an experiment that proved the amp inside the subwoofer was just having issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Typically , when you connect two pieces of equipment with a low-power connector ( RCA cable , data cable , etc ) , you connect the chassis grounds .
If both chassis grounds are in turn connected to two different electrical outlets , you create a big loop antenna .
If one or both chassis are double-insulated and do n't require a three-prong ground , no problems .
I have n't seen any modern audio equipment with a thre-prong plug , presumably because of this.But as the artical in the sibling post points out , not all hums are ground-loop hums .
I had to toss a subwoofer that was just borked after my most recent move - spent some time trying to undertand how I had a ground loop with 2-pin plugs , then finally did an experiment that proved the amp inside the subwoofer was just having issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typically, when you connect two pieces of equipment with a low-power connector (RCA cable, data cable, etc), you connect the chassis grounds.
If both chassis grounds are in turn connected to two different electrical outlets, you create a big loop antenna.
If one or both chassis are double-insulated and don't require a three-prong ground, no problems.
I haven't seen any modern audio equipment with a thre-prong plug, presumably because of this.But as the artical in the sibling post points out, not all hums are ground-loop hums.
I had to toss a subwoofer that was just borked after my most recent move - spent some time trying to undertand how I had a ground loop with 2-pin plugs, then finally did an experiment that proved the amp inside the subwoofer was just having issues.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988402</id>
	<title>Do you guys ever read Engineering Specs ???</title>
	<author>omb</author>
	<datestamp>1256994540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>3 phase transmission systems mainly use earth (as opposed to system ground) returns; the US 3 phase transformers are all common centre taped to earth,&amp;#160;in europe neutral is an earth tap at the transformer, isolated from the transformer. So, if you measure AT the transformer, in Europe, N===E, but not away from the transformer. In the US neutral is, by definition, building (not transformer) earth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>3 phase transmission systems mainly use earth ( as opposed to system ground ) returns ; the US 3 phase transformers are all common centre taped to earth ,   in europe neutral is an earth tap at the transformer , isolated from the transformer .
So , if you measure AT the transformer , in Europe , N = = = E , but not away from the transformer .
In the US neutral is , by definition , building ( not transformer ) earth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3 phase transmission systems mainly use earth (as opposed to system ground) returns; the US 3 phase transformers are all common centre taped to earth, in europe neutral is an earth tap at the transformer, isolated from the transformer.
So, if you measure AT the transformer, in Europe, N===E, but not away from the transformer.
In the US neutral is, by definition, building (not transformer) earth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29991320</id>
	<title>Re:12V</title>
	<author>Max Littlemore</author>
	<datestamp>1257014400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I lived in a house with both 240VAC and 12VDC. 12.5 volts at the batteries, 10.5 volts at the opposite end of the house. And that was with some seriously thick copper wiring. Voltage drop makes it so.</p><p>The only reason we had it set up like that was because we were energy self sufficient and the 240V was supplied by an inverter. Not the most efficient system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I lived in a house with both 240VAC and 12VDC .
12.5 volts at the batteries , 10.5 volts at the opposite end of the house .
And that was with some seriously thick copper wiring .
Voltage drop makes it so.The only reason we had it set up like that was because we were energy self sufficient and the 240V was supplied by an inverter .
Not the most efficient system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I lived in a house with both 240VAC and 12VDC.
12.5 volts at the batteries, 10.5 volts at the opposite end of the house.
And that was with some seriously thick copper wiring.
Voltage drop makes it so.The only reason we had it set up like that was because we were energy self sufficient and the 240V was supplied by an inverter.
Not the most efficient system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29991758</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1257018780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The British system seems to be perfectly safe in use, and fuses in each plug is an advantage from the point of view of safety.</p><p>The flexibility of being above to plug in any appliance into any socket can be very useful</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The British system seems to be perfectly safe in use , and fuses in each plug is an advantage from the point of view of safety.The flexibility of being above to plug in any appliance into any socket can be very useful</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The British system seems to be perfectly safe in use, and fuses in each plug is an advantage from the point of view of safety.The flexibility of being above to plug in any appliance into any socket can be very useful</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985104</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987462</id>
	<title>Danish and Thailand share plugs....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256990340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even living in Denmark I had no idea that we are sharing plugs with.... Thailand and nobody else. I have no idea why!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even living in Denmark I had no idea that we are sharing plugs with.... Thailand and nobody else .
I have no idea why !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even living in Denmark I had no idea that we are sharing plugs with.... Thailand and nobody else.
I have no idea why!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985334</id>
	<title>Summary if you do not want to RTFA</title>
	<author>Zoxed</author>
	<datestamp>1256982900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>UK website rates UK mains plug the best in the world (I am shocked, shocked<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>UK website rates UK mains plug the best in the world ( I am shocked , shocked ... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>UK website rates UK mains plug the best in the world (I am shocked, shocked ...)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988852</id>
	<title>Re:Better idea</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1256996760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If there was some move to rewire the entire world with a single residential standard I'd vote for NEMA L15.</p><p>Single-phase power is a hack.</p></div><p>Only if you generate three phase power. There is nothing special about the number three. We could use 16 phase power if we wanted to.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If there was some move to rewire the entire world with a single residential standard I 'd vote for NEMA L15.Single-phase power is a hack.Only if you generate three phase power .
There is nothing special about the number three .
We could use 16 phase power if we wanted to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there was some move to rewire the entire world with a single residential standard I'd vote for NEMA L15.Single-phase power is a hack.Only if you generate three phase power.
There is nothing special about the number three.
We could use 16 phase power if we wanted to.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983362</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987656</id>
	<title>Schuko ftw.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256991000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny enough the Schuko wasn't even mentioned. Imho the best system. For small appliances you can use Euro plugs, for real stuff (even large transformer bricks) you have a very sturdy and secure connector. I don't get what people like about connectors going into a flat surface, it looks like a mechanical nightmare to me.</p><p>And about the fusing in the socket. What is that supposed to be good for? As long as your wiring is OK, which is to be expected if it was wired by someone qualified to do so, a breaker for each loop is sufficient. Especially since the thing actually saving your life in case of a short will be the circuit breaker checking for current on the ground line.</p><p>Also I don't get why people think that having 110Volt has any advantage. It increases the number of transformers needed as the losses on a 110V distribution system are much larger than on 220-230V, there also is no problem with small stuff, whoever tells you there is one doesn't know what he is talking about. The volt+frequency combination even lowers the conversion losses.</p><p>Oh, did I mention you can buy them with shutters, fuses, built-in surge protection and all kinds of funny stuff? (Shutters can even be bough separately (and can be inserted into the cavity without any problem), pretty common when you have small children and didn't have control over the installation).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny enough the Schuko was n't even mentioned .
Imho the best system .
For small appliances you can use Euro plugs , for real stuff ( even large transformer bricks ) you have a very sturdy and secure connector .
I do n't get what people like about connectors going into a flat surface , it looks like a mechanical nightmare to me.And about the fusing in the socket .
What is that supposed to be good for ?
As long as your wiring is OK , which is to be expected if it was wired by someone qualified to do so , a breaker for each loop is sufficient .
Especially since the thing actually saving your life in case of a short will be the circuit breaker checking for current on the ground line.Also I do n't get why people think that having 110Volt has any advantage .
It increases the number of transformers needed as the losses on a 110V distribution system are much larger than on 220-230V , there also is no problem with small stuff , whoever tells you there is one does n't know what he is talking about .
The volt + frequency combination even lowers the conversion losses.Oh , did I mention you can buy them with shutters , fuses , built-in surge protection and all kinds of funny stuff ?
( Shutters can even be bough separately ( and can be inserted into the cavity without any problem ) , pretty common when you have small children and did n't have control over the installation ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny enough the Schuko wasn't even mentioned.
Imho the best system.
For small appliances you can use Euro plugs, for real stuff (even large transformer bricks) you have a very sturdy and secure connector.
I don't get what people like about connectors going into a flat surface, it looks like a mechanical nightmare to me.And about the fusing in the socket.
What is that supposed to be good for?
As long as your wiring is OK, which is to be expected if it was wired by someone qualified to do so, a breaker for each loop is sufficient.
Especially since the thing actually saving your life in case of a short will be the circuit breaker checking for current on the ground line.Also I don't get why people think that having 110Volt has any advantage.
It increases the number of transformers needed as the losses on a 110V distribution system are much larger than on 220-230V, there also is no problem with small stuff, whoever tells you there is one doesn't know what he is talking about.
The volt+frequency combination even lowers the conversion losses.Oh, did I mention you can buy them with shutters, fuses, built-in surge protection and all kinds of funny stuff?
(Shutters can even be bough separately (and can be inserted into the cavity without any problem), pretty common when you have small children and didn't have control over the installation).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987872</id>
	<title>Re:Non-optimal</title>
	<author>zoney\_ie</author>
	<datestamp>1256991960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The one time I've actually had to replace a plug fuse (UK-style plug), was on a desk lamp (3A fuse). When the halogen spot gave out, it blew the fuse.</p><p>As regards Christmas lights, I don't know about the US, but here in Ireland (UK is the same) there is always a fuse bulb (as well as the fused plug). Not entirely sure why this is, but faulty Christmas lights seemingly even so manage to start fires here every year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The one time I 've actually had to replace a plug fuse ( UK-style plug ) , was on a desk lamp ( 3A fuse ) .
When the halogen spot gave out , it blew the fuse.As regards Christmas lights , I do n't know about the US , but here in Ireland ( UK is the same ) there is always a fuse bulb ( as well as the fused plug ) .
Not entirely sure why this is , but faulty Christmas lights seemingly even so manage to start fires here every year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The one time I've actually had to replace a plug fuse (UK-style plug), was on a desk lamp (3A fuse).
When the halogen spot gave out, it blew the fuse.As regards Christmas lights, I don't know about the US, but here in Ireland (UK is the same) there is always a fuse bulb (as well as the fused plug).
Not entirely sure why this is, but faulty Christmas lights seemingly even so manage to start fires here every year.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983966</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984836</id>
	<title>Re:Is this really front page news?</title>
	<author>Volante3192</author>
	<datestamp>1256981400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like useless articles like this sometimes.  This one gets the electrical nuts out of the woodwork and I start learning things that I'd normally have no reason to go out and look, but are interesting nonetheless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like useless articles like this sometimes .
This one gets the electrical nuts out of the woodwork and I start learning things that I 'd normally have no reason to go out and look , but are interesting nonetheless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like useless articles like this sometimes.
This one gets the electrical nuts out of the woodwork and I start learning things that I'd normally have no reason to go out and look, but are interesting nonetheless.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983326</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989700</id>
	<title>Re:Europlug and the stupid British socket</title>
	<author>Michael Wardle</author>
	<datestamp>1257001320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I've never need to do this. I don't think I've ever seen a European plug inverted either. Can't be that useful.</p></div></blockquote><p>In my house, the power points are very near the floor.  My phone charger doesn't fit because it extends down.  If I could put it in upside down, it would be helpful.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never need to do this .
I do n't think I 've ever seen a European plug inverted either .
Ca n't be that useful.In my house , the power points are very near the floor .
My phone charger does n't fit because it extends down .
If I could put it in upside down , it would be helpful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never need to do this.
I don't think I've ever seen a European plug inverted either.
Can't be that useful.In my house, the power points are very near the floor.
My phone charger doesn't fit because it extends down.
If I could put it in upside down, it would be helpful.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986416</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29993932</id>
	<title>Re:Is this really front page news?</title>
	<author>gogebic</author>
	<datestamp>1257431760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's one of the main reasons I read Slashdot!
<br>
<br>
Mod parent up. Oh, wait, they're already at 5, never mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's one of the main reasons I read Slashdot !
Mod parent up .
Oh , wait , they 're already at 5 , never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's one of the main reasons I read Slashdot!
Mod parent up.
Oh, wait, they're already at 5, never mind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984836</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988958</id>
	<title>Re:objective my ass...</title>
	<author>kriston</author>
	<datestamp>1256997240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Furthermore, the clever design of the UK socket has caused one of the most common-sense safety feature for new parents, namely the outlet cover, to actually make the UK socket much more dangerous and deadly for children in many different subtle ways.<br>Do not use outlet covers on UK sockets!</p><p>Please see this site:  <a href="http://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/" title="fatallyflawed.org.uk">http://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/</a> [fatallyflawed.org.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Furthermore , the clever design of the UK socket has caused one of the most common-sense safety feature for new parents , namely the outlet cover , to actually make the UK socket much more dangerous and deadly for children in many different subtle ways.Do not use outlet covers on UK sockets ! Please see this site : http : //www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/ [ fatallyflawed.org.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Furthermore, the clever design of the UK socket has caused one of the most common-sense safety feature for new parents, namely the outlet cover, to actually make the UK socket much more dangerous and deadly for children in many different subtle ways.Do not use outlet covers on UK sockets!Please see this site:  http://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/ [fatallyflawed.org.uk]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984936</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29993070</id>
	<title>Re:Swiss</title>
	<author>markus\_baertschi</author>
	<datestamp>1257423900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And it has the advantage that Euro-Plugs fit into it.
</p><p>On neat trick is to buy a Swiss power cord and rip out the third (ground) pin. You get a power cord which fits in all Euro sockets without adapter.
</p><p>The Swiss plug is the one labelled 'Type 3' on the world map of the Gizmodo article above.
</p><p> <i>Markus</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And it has the advantage that Euro-Plugs fit into it .
On neat trick is to buy a Swiss power cord and rip out the third ( ground ) pin .
You get a power cord which fits in all Euro sockets without adapter .
The Swiss plug is the one labelled 'Type 3 ' on the world map of the Gizmodo article above .
Markus</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it has the advantage that Euro-Plugs fit into it.
On neat trick is to buy a Swiss power cord and rip out the third (ground) pin.
You get a power cord which fits in all Euro sockets without adapter.
The Swiss plug is the one labelled 'Type 3' on the world map of the Gizmodo article above.
Markus</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983338</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992558</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>qc\_dk</author>
	<datestamp>1257417960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ah yes the wonderful british plug. Look at my new netbook it's tiny and only weighs 500 grams, but of course I need to bring along the plug to charge it so I keep it in this suitcase and have my flunkies carry it. The only plug worse than the british plug is the South African, and there are no points for guessing who invented that plug.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah yes the wonderful british plug .
Look at my new netbook it 's tiny and only weighs 500 grams , but of course I need to bring along the plug to charge it so I keep it in this suitcase and have my flunkies carry it .
The only plug worse than the british plug is the South African , and there are no points for guessing who invented that plug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah yes the wonderful british plug.
Look at my new netbook it's tiny and only weighs 500 grams, but of course I need to bring along the plug to charge it so I keep it in this suitcase and have my flunkies carry it.
The only plug worse than the british plug is the South African, and there are no points for guessing who invented that plug.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986280</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983718</id>
	<title>Biased...</title>
	<author>Colourspace</author>
	<datestamp>1257021120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>.. but I have to say (sorry never experienced the swiss socket someone posted about already) that the British plug just seems to give so much more secure a connection when plugged into the wall, very stable. When using a euro or US plug I always feel like it is just going to fall out of the wall of its own accord. And yes the on off switch we have next to each socket saves a lot of wear and tear on plugging/unplugging - you know - to save the planet. Yes, its a little bit more bulky, but is that a real reason not to like it unless you are a weakling (most<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. readers maybe?). Doesn't make a difference to me. Up there with the best. Makes me proud to be British (small tear trickles down cheek).</htmltext>
<tokenext>.. but I have to say ( sorry never experienced the swiss socket someone posted about already ) that the British plug just seems to give so much more secure a connection when plugged into the wall , very stable .
When using a euro or US plug I always feel like it is just going to fall out of the wall of its own accord .
And yes the on off switch we have next to each socket saves a lot of wear and tear on plugging/unplugging - you know - to save the planet .
Yes , its a little bit more bulky , but is that a real reason not to like it unless you are a weakling ( most / .
readers maybe ? ) .
Does n't make a difference to me .
Up there with the best .
Makes me proud to be British ( small tear trickles down cheek ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. but I have to say (sorry never experienced the swiss socket someone posted about already) that the British plug just seems to give so much more secure a connection when plugged into the wall, very stable.
When using a euro or US plug I always feel like it is just going to fall out of the wall of its own accord.
And yes the on off switch we have next to each socket saves a lot of wear and tear on plugging/unplugging - you know - to save the planet.
Yes, its a little bit more bulky, but is that a real reason not to like it unless you are a weakling (most /.
readers maybe?).
Doesn't make a difference to me.
Up there with the best.
Makes me proud to be British (small tear trickles down cheek).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983934</id>
	<title>Oh yeah?</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1257021780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, the Canada plug is better than the U.S.A.  plug!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the Canada plug is better than the U.S.A. plug !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the Canada plug is better than the U.S.A.  plug!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988252</id>
	<title>Re:Is this really front page news?</title>
	<author>Idarubicin</author>
	<datestamp>1256993760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Seriously, why don't you just post "Nothing happened today" in big letters on the front page?</p></div></blockquote><p>
That's truly remarkable.  Of the first twenty stories on the front page, <i>this</i> one has by far the most comments.
</p><p>
And here I've gone and added one more.
</p><p>
To a story about plugs.
</p><p>
I need a beer.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , why do n't you just post " Nothing happened today " in big letters on the front page ?
That 's truly remarkable .
Of the first twenty stories on the front page , this one has by far the most comments .
And here I 've gone and added one more .
To a story about plugs .
I need a beer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, why don't you just post "Nothing happened today" in big letters on the front page?
That's truly remarkable.
Of the first twenty stories on the front page, this one has by far the most comments.
And here I've gone and added one more.
To a story about plugs.
I need a beer.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983326</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985788</id>
	<title>5.0L V8 in commuter car?  Bad Information!!!</title>
	<author>Virtucon</author>
	<datestamp>1256984220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This twit is annoying and incorrect!  I have a 6.3L V8 in my daily driver.  My wife has a 7.3L Turbo Diesel in her Excursion.</p><p>Damn Brits!  Get it right and drive on the Right as well!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This twit is annoying and incorrect !
I have a 6.3L V8 in my daily driver .
My wife has a 7.3L Turbo Diesel in her Excursion.Damn Brits !
Get it right and drive on the Right as well !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This twit is annoying and incorrect!
I have a 6.3L V8 in my daily driver.
My wife has a 7.3L Turbo Diesel in her Excursion.Damn Brits!
Get it right and drive on the Right as well!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992832</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257420960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Admittedly, I'm not an American but I will back up my points.</p><p>
110V is too little for everyday electronics. How can your vacuum cleaner or table lamp run on 110V? I do understand that the amperage is higher(double) for the same wattage. However, if there's a fault in an appliance, and the current lead is exposed, you can touch the conductor without anything more than a severe rap over the fingers (wouldn't even call it pain - this has happened to me with a badly wired oven (technically 400v) and I actually completed the circuit). I doubt you could pull this off with 110V. Obviously completing a circuit on either is a bad thing (touching between current and ground...).</p><p>
And you start limiting the current from the distribution point - if you drive a nail through a wire, it will only be carrying 5A, maybe 12A(remember 220V is at half the Ampage) before the circuit breaker blows. That's opposed to the 110V at 20A...</p><p>
Basically, in general there's a lot less current flowing through people's walls. The appliances that need more power get their own entire circuits. I can't help but feel that this is safer, and it allows us to reduce the complexity of our plugs.
</p><p>A quick googling shows that in 2001 ~2 in a million died from accidental electrocution in the US and ~1 in a million in DK.Won't somebody think of the children!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Admittedly , I 'm not an American but I will back up my points .
110V is too little for everyday electronics .
How can your vacuum cleaner or table lamp run on 110V ?
I do understand that the amperage is higher ( double ) for the same wattage .
However , if there 's a fault in an appliance , and the current lead is exposed , you can touch the conductor without anything more than a severe rap over the fingers ( would n't even call it pain - this has happened to me with a badly wired oven ( technically 400v ) and I actually completed the circuit ) .
I doubt you could pull this off with 110V .
Obviously completing a circuit on either is a bad thing ( touching between current and ground... ) .
And you start limiting the current from the distribution point - if you drive a nail through a wire , it will only be carrying 5A , maybe 12A ( remember 220V is at half the Ampage ) before the circuit breaker blows .
That 's opposed to the 110V at 20A.. . Basically , in general there 's a lot less current flowing through people 's walls .
The appliances that need more power get their own entire circuits .
I ca n't help but feel that this is safer , and it allows us to reduce the complexity of our plugs .
A quick googling shows that in 2001 ~ 2 in a million died from accidental electrocution in the US and ~ 1 in a million in DK.Wo n't somebody think of the children ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Admittedly, I'm not an American but I will back up my points.
110V is too little for everyday electronics.
How can your vacuum cleaner or table lamp run on 110V?
I do understand that the amperage is higher(double) for the same wattage.
However, if there's a fault in an appliance, and the current lead is exposed, you can touch the conductor without anything more than a severe rap over the fingers (wouldn't even call it pain - this has happened to me with a badly wired oven (technically 400v) and I actually completed the circuit).
I doubt you could pull this off with 110V.
Obviously completing a circuit on either is a bad thing (touching between current and ground...).
And you start limiting the current from the distribution point - if you drive a nail through a wire, it will only be carrying 5A, maybe 12A(remember 220V is at half the Ampage) before the circuit breaker blows.
That's opposed to the 110V at 20A...
Basically, in general there's a lot less current flowing through people's walls.
The appliances that need more power get their own entire circuits.
I can't help but feel that this is safer, and it allows us to reduce the complexity of our plugs.
A quick googling shows that in 2001 ~2 in a million died from accidental electrocution in the US and ~1 in a million in DK.Won't somebody think of the children!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983682</id>
	<title>I see...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257021000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC\_power\_plugs\_and\_sockets#Comparison\_of\_plugs" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">what you did there</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what you did there [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what you did there [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29990286</id>
	<title>Re:Aha! Time for my favorite indie design this yea</title>
	<author>initialE</author>
	<datestamp>1257005760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like how the thing folds, and there's no way to plug it in wrong and all. I don't like how flimsy and easily broken it's gonna be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like how the thing folds , and there 's no way to plug it in wrong and all .
I do n't like how flimsy and easily broken it 's gon na be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like how the thing folds, and there's no way to plug it in wrong and all.
I don't like how flimsy and easily broken it's gonna be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984316</id>
	<title>Europlug sockets is the best</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1256979780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not the big ones, the small ones. You rarely see them as wall sockets, but for example behind my computer (pc, screen, speakers, router, external hdd etc.) it's great with mixed big/small sockets. Same behind the tv/pvr/stereo section, or indeed any place you have many low-power gadgets. Always using the big three-pronged contacts or fullsize europlug is a big, overengineered waste of space and money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not the big ones , the small ones .
You rarely see them as wall sockets , but for example behind my computer ( pc , screen , speakers , router , external hdd etc .
) it 's great with mixed big/small sockets .
Same behind the tv/pvr/stereo section , or indeed any place you have many low-power gadgets .
Always using the big three-pronged contacts or fullsize europlug is a big , overengineered waste of space and money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not the big ones, the small ones.
You rarely see them as wall sockets, but for example behind my computer (pc, screen, speakers, router, external hdd etc.
) it's great with mixed big/small sockets.
Same behind the tv/pvr/stereo section, or indeed any place you have many low-power gadgets.
Always using the big three-pronged contacts or fullsize europlug is a big, overengineered waste of space and money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984924</id>
	<title>In other news</title>
	<author>SharpFang</author>
	<datestamp>1256981760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.komatsuamerica.com/?p=equipment&amp;f1=view&amp;prdt\_id=920" title="komatsuamerica.com">Komatsu 930E-4</a> [komatsuamerica.com] has been chosen the best car in the world. Safety of the driver was taken as the deciding factor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Komatsu 930E-4 [ komatsuamerica.com ] has been chosen the best car in the world .
Safety of the driver was taken as the deciding factor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Komatsu 930E-4 [komatsuamerica.com] has been chosen the best car in the world.
Safety of the driver was taken as the deciding factor.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984700</id>
	<title>Europlug and the stupid British socket</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256981040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, what?</p><p><a href="http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49303764-4,00.htm" title="cnet.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49303764-4,00.htm</a> [cnet.co.uk]</p><p><i>These cables can only carry currents of up to 2.5A</i></p><p>WHAT? Where the hell did the author get this information?!</p><p>Here's a random picture that I found through Google, for those of you who don't know how European wall sockets look like: <a href="http://www.goodlogo.com/images/extended.info/b/bcc/wall\_socket\_NL\_GE.jpg" title="goodlogo.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.goodlogo.com/images/extended.info/b/bcc/wall\_socket\_NL\_GE.jpg</a> [goodlogo.com]</p><p>Here's the miserable excuse for the British wall socket: <a href="http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00PvutNFZDbIcQM/Socket-A091-.jpg" title="made-in-china.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00PvutNFZDbIcQM/Socket-A091-.jpg</a> [made-in-china.com]</p><p>1) The European socket has a plastic outside cone for insulation. If the cable is partially unplugged, you cannot touch it with your fingers. The British version has nothing.</p><p>2) The European socket allows you to plug the cables upside down (which is extremely helpful in certain situations).</p><p>3) Contrary to how it's portrayed in the article, the European socket *does* have grounding. In fact, it has two grounding pins, top and bottom.</p><p>4) Some people have mentioned the size of the plugs themselves. Here's the one with the grounding <a href="http://www.advin.com/uv-eraser-plug-FE-W512.JPG" title="advin.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.advin.com/uv-eraser-plug-FE-W512.JPG</a> [advin.com] and here's the one used for small appliances and gadgets <a href="http://www.tuxgraphics.org/electronics/powersockets/power\_plug\_euro.jpg" title="tuxgraphics.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.tuxgraphics.org/electronics/powersockets/power\_plug\_euro.jpg</a> [tuxgraphics.org]</p><p>What a stupid article... Stupid British arrogance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , what ? http : //crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49303764-4,00.htm [ cnet.co.uk ] These cables can only carry currents of up to 2.5AWHAT ?
Where the hell did the author get this information ?
! Here 's a random picture that I found through Google , for those of you who do n't know how European wall sockets look like : http : //www.goodlogo.com/images/extended.info/b/bcc/wall \ _socket \ _NL \ _GE.jpg [ goodlogo.com ] Here 's the miserable excuse for the British wall socket : http : //www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00PvutNFZDbIcQM/Socket-A091-.jpg [ made-in-china.com ] 1 ) The European socket has a plastic outside cone for insulation .
If the cable is partially unplugged , you can not touch it with your fingers .
The British version has nothing.2 ) The European socket allows you to plug the cables upside down ( which is extremely helpful in certain situations ) .3 ) Contrary to how it 's portrayed in the article , the European socket * does * have grounding .
In fact , it has two grounding pins , top and bottom.4 ) Some people have mentioned the size of the plugs themselves .
Here 's the one with the grounding http : //www.advin.com/uv-eraser-plug-FE-W512.JPG [ advin.com ] and here 's the one used for small appliances and gadgets http : //www.tuxgraphics.org/electronics/powersockets/power \ _plug \ _euro.jpg [ tuxgraphics.org ] What a stupid article... Stupid British arrogance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, what?http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49303764-4,00.htm [cnet.co.uk]These cables can only carry currents of up to 2.5AWHAT?
Where the hell did the author get this information?
!Here's a random picture that I found through Google, for those of you who don't know how European wall sockets look like: http://www.goodlogo.com/images/extended.info/b/bcc/wall\_socket\_NL\_GE.jpg [goodlogo.com]Here's the miserable excuse for the British wall socket: http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00PvutNFZDbIcQM/Socket-A091-.jpg [made-in-china.com]1) The European socket has a plastic outside cone for insulation.
If the cable is partially unplugged, you cannot touch it with your fingers.
The British version has nothing.2) The European socket allows you to plug the cables upside down (which is extremely helpful in certain situations).3) Contrary to how it's portrayed in the article, the European socket *does* have grounding.
In fact, it has two grounding pins, top and bottom.4) Some people have mentioned the size of the plugs themselves.
Here's the one with the grounding http://www.advin.com/uv-eraser-plug-FE-W512.JPG [advin.com] and here's the one used for small appliances and gadgets http://www.tuxgraphics.org/electronics/powersockets/power\_plug\_euro.jpg [tuxgraphics.org]What a stupid article... Stupid British arrogance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987310</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256989800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Firstly, <b>if you get a shock from the mains, it really doesn't matter much what country you're in, there will be more than enough current to kill</b>. Do not rely on the lower voltage in the US/Japan to save you!</p><p>Otherwise, I agree with you and I'd also add that apart from the general lack of ring mains and their attendant problems (not least the fact that they used to be used in the UK to reduce the rating of wire needed), the US electricity supply is better engineered than the UK's in one other important way - most homes are wired with two phases. That means you have 110V potential between phase and neutral and 220V potential between phase and phase for hungrier devices like washing machines etc where you can take more precaution. Overall this should reduce shock risk since the maximum potential difference a human and a wire should only ever be 110V, without compromising on the ability to use more power-hungry appliances.</p><p>Unfortunately though, in a cruel twist of fate, there is some evidence that 110V is actually close to the most dangerous voltage to be hit by if you do get shocked (worse than 220V, for example)...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Firstly , if you get a shock from the mains , it really does n't matter much what country you 're in , there will be more than enough current to kill .
Do not rely on the lower voltage in the US/Japan to save you ! Otherwise , I agree with you and I 'd also add that apart from the general lack of ring mains and their attendant problems ( not least the fact that they used to be used in the UK to reduce the rating of wire needed ) , the US electricity supply is better engineered than the UK 's in one other important way - most homes are wired with two phases .
That means you have 110V potential between phase and neutral and 220V potential between phase and phase for hungrier devices like washing machines etc where you can take more precaution .
Overall this should reduce shock risk since the maximum potential difference a human and a wire should only ever be 110V , without compromising on the ability to use more power-hungry appliances.Unfortunately though , in a cruel twist of fate , there is some evidence that 110V is actually close to the most dangerous voltage to be hit by if you do get shocked ( worse than 220V , for example ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firstly, if you get a shock from the mains, it really doesn't matter much what country you're in, there will be more than enough current to kill.
Do not rely on the lower voltage in the US/Japan to save you!Otherwise, I agree with you and I'd also add that apart from the general lack of ring mains and their attendant problems (not least the fact that they used to be used in the UK to reduce the rating of wire needed), the US electricity supply is better engineered than the UK's in one other important way - most homes are wired with two phases.
That means you have 110V potential between phase and neutral and 220V potential between phase and phase for hungrier devices like washing machines etc where you can take more precaution.
Overall this should reduce shock risk since the maximum potential difference a human and a wire should only ever be 110V, without compromising on the ability to use more power-hungry appliances.Unfortunately though, in a cruel twist of fate, there is some evidence that 110V is actually close to the most dangerous voltage to be hit by if you do get shocked (worse than 220V, for example)...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985388</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>realityimpaired</author>
	<datestamp>1256983080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily; it's how I run my spare heater.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yeah. But 15 amps on a 110V socket isn't as much power as 15 amps on a 220V socket.</p><p>Of course, you can change the breaker that's in use to increase the current that the socket can handle. Check that it's rated for the increased power draw, but you can get 30A, 45A, 60A and 100A breakers in North America to replace the standard 15A breaker that most sockets run on.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily ; it 's how I run my spare heater.Yeah .
But 15 amps on a 110V socket is n't as much power as 15 amps on a 220V socket.Of course , you can change the breaker that 's in use to increase the current that the socket can handle .
Check that it 's rated for the increased power draw , but you can get 30A , 45A , 60A and 100A breakers in North America to replace the standard 15A breaker that most sockets run on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily; it's how I run my spare heater.Yeah.
But 15 amps on a 110V socket isn't as much power as 15 amps on a 220V socket.Of course, you can change the breaker that's in use to increase the current that the socket can handle.
Check that it's rated for the increased power draw, but you can get 30A, 45A, 60A and 100A breakers in North America to replace the standard 15A breaker that most sockets run on.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29993360</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257427380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's the same standard. It's two 110V circuits 180 degrees out of phase to make 220V.  We also have 240V three phase electricity for industrial applications, but most residences do not have three phase.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the same standard .
It 's two 110V circuits 180 degrees out of phase to make 220V .
We also have 240V three phase electricity for industrial applications , but most residences do not have three phase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the same standard.
It's two 110V circuits 180 degrees out of phase to make 220V.
We also have 240V three phase electricity for industrial applications, but most residences do not have three phase.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988022</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Zeussy</author>
	<datestamp>1256992620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this is just a weird cultural reason, was driven by Tea. So this is my quirky take for 230. 110v * 15amp = 1650watts. 230v * 13amp = 2990watts. I know that isn't doing the RMS of 2 by the voltage or whatever you need to do for AC. But the most popular electric kettles, for boiling water for our cups of tea are in the order of 3kw and have been for many many years.<br>
&nbsp; <br>I believe that is why tea is still quite prevalent in the U.K over coffee, due to that you can't leave Tea on a heating element for too long like you can with coffee (in a coffee maker), else tea begins to stew.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is just a weird cultural reason , was driven by Tea .
So this is my quirky take for 230 .
110v * 15amp = 1650watts .
230v * 13amp = 2990watts .
I know that is n't doing the RMS of 2 by the voltage or whatever you need to do for AC .
But the most popular electric kettles , for boiling water for our cups of tea are in the order of 3kw and have been for many many years .
  I believe that is why tea is still quite prevalent in the U.K over coffee , due to that you ca n't leave Tea on a heating element for too long like you can with coffee ( in a coffee maker ) , else tea begins to stew .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is just a weird cultural reason, was driven by Tea.
So this is my quirky take for 230.
110v * 15amp = 1650watts.
230v * 13amp = 2990watts.
I know that isn't doing the RMS of 2 by the voltage or whatever you need to do for AC.
But the most popular electric kettles, for boiling water for our cups of tea are in the order of 3kw and have been for many many years.
  I believe that is why tea is still quite prevalent in the U.K over coffee, due to that you can't leave Tea on a heating element for too long like you can with coffee (in a coffee maker), else tea begins to stew.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29993554</id>
	<title>Re:um no</title>
	<author>Kakao</author>
	<datestamp>1257429420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure the worse article about anything I have ever read. That said here in Brazil we are in the middle of a new plug standard change. This
<a href="http://engenhariaexpress.blogspot.com/2009/01/novo-padro-de-plugs-e-tomadas.html" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">blog post</a> [blogspot.com] has some pictures.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure the worse article about anything I have ever read .
That said here in Brazil we are in the middle of a new plug standard change .
This blog post [ blogspot.com ] has some pictures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure the worse article about anything I have ever read.
That said here in Brazil we are in the middle of a new plug standard change.
This
blog post [blogspot.com] has some pictures.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29991298</id>
	<title>Re:What a BOGUS article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257014220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GFCI on all lines?  Not really.  On unfinished basements, bathrooms, outdoors, and in garages, sure, but not every line.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GFCI on all lines ?
Not really .
On unfinished basements , bathrooms , outdoors , and in garages , sure , but not every line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GFCI on all lines?
Not really.
On unfinished basements, bathrooms, outdoors, and in garages, sure, but not every line.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984418</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>brackishboy</author>
	<datestamp>1256980080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That'll be 15 amps at 110v: to get the same power out of a British socket would only require 7.5 amps which would be (relatively speaking) safer, surely?</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 'll be 15 amps at 110v : to get the same power out of a British socket would only require 7.5 amps which would be ( relatively speaking ) safer , surely ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That'll be 15 amps at 110v: to get the same power out of a British socket would only require 7.5 amps which would be (relatively speaking) safer, surely?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29993370</id>
	<title>Re:objective my ass...</title>
	<author>Computershack</author>
	<datestamp>1257427440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>there's no "objectivity" in that article.</p></div><p>There's not supposed to be you dumb shit. See the asterisk next to the word "objective"? Did you actually scroll down and read what it said? Here's a clue:
<br> <i>"*Objectivity in this sentence has a one-off, government-approved change in definition. Its meaning here, and only here, is the exact opposite of what it usually means."</i> 
</p><p>Congratulations on perpetuating the rumour that Yanks are stupid.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>there 's no " objectivity " in that article.There 's not supposed to be you dumb shit .
See the asterisk next to the word " objective " ?
Did you actually scroll down and read what it said ?
Here 's a clue : " * Objectivity in this sentence has a one-off , government-approved change in definition .
Its meaning here , and only here , is the exact opposite of what it usually means .
" Congratulations on perpetuating the rumour that Yanks are stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there's no "objectivity" in that article.There's not supposed to be you dumb shit.
See the asterisk next to the word "objective"?
Did you actually scroll down and read what it said?
Here's a clue:
 "*Objectivity in this sentence has a one-off, government-approved change in definition.
Its meaning here, and only here, is the exact opposite of what it usually means.
" 
Congratulations on perpetuating the rumour that Yanks are stupid.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985216</id>
	<title>Idle (not Eric)</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1256982600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This belongs in Idle.  Seriously.  Not at all not-seriously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This belongs in Idle .
Seriously. Not at all not-seriously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This belongs in Idle.
Seriously.  Not at all not-seriously.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986342</id>
	<title>Re:Non-optimal</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1256985840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I don't see the advantage to fusing the plug versus a device with a replaceable fuse.</i> <br> <br>Accessibility.  Actually it was a design that allowed all devices to be run of a single ring main rather than a separate cable to each socket.  Less wire was an important consideration in the post war years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see the advantage to fusing the plug versus a device with a replaceable fuse .
Accessibility. Actually it was a design that allowed all devices to be run of a single ring main rather than a separate cable to each socket .
Less wire was an important consideration in the post war years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see the advantage to fusing the plug versus a device with a replaceable fuse.
Accessibility.  Actually it was a design that allowed all devices to be run of a single ring main rather than a separate cable to each socket.
Less wire was an important consideration in the post war years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992324</id>
	<title>Re:OMG Ponies!</title>
	<author>dunkelfalke</author>
	<datestamp>1257415140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like one designed by the Japanese, very kawaii.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like one designed by the Japanese , very kawaii .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like one designed by the Japanese, very kawaii.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985804</id>
	<title>Re:Biased...</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1256984220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>And yes the on off switch we have next to each socket saves a lot of wear and tear on plugging/unplugging - you know - to save the planet.</i></p><p>What?</p><p>What sort of usage patters do <i>you</i> have that you regularly unplug something to turn it off? Almost exclusively when I unplug something, it's because (1) I want to move it somewhere else or (2) I need to free up an outlet for something else, neither of which a switch on the outlet helps with. I'm struggling to see a real use case for a switch on an outlet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And yes the on off switch we have next to each socket saves a lot of wear and tear on plugging/unplugging - you know - to save the planet.What ? What sort of usage patters do you have that you regularly unplug something to turn it off ?
Almost exclusively when I unplug something , it 's because ( 1 ) I want to move it somewhere else or ( 2 ) I need to free up an outlet for something else , neither of which a switch on the outlet helps with .
I 'm struggling to see a real use case for a switch on an outlet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And yes the on off switch we have next to each socket saves a lot of wear and tear on plugging/unplugging - you know - to save the planet.What?What sort of usage patters do you have that you regularly unplug something to turn it off?
Almost exclusively when I unplug something, it's because (1) I want to move it somewhere else or (2) I need to free up an outlet for something else, neither of which a switch on the outlet helps with.
I'm struggling to see a real use case for a switch on an outlet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989660</id>
	<title>Re:Really?</title>
	<author>jrumney</author>
	<datestamp>1257001080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's a single UK standard plug and that's it and has been since I can remember (I'm 40).</p></div></blockquote><p>
Ever bought an electric shaver?  The UK standard plug for bathroom appliances looks a little like the Europlug, but the pins are thicker and closer together, so it won't fit into a standard socket with the paperclip in the earth pin trick.  And the adapters you can buy for them in the local pound shop clearly state "for foreign use only", because there is no way they can comply with any safety standard, with such fat holes (the width of a two year old's little finger) and no earth pin to open a gate, hence no gates.
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<tokenext>It 's a single UK standard plug and that 's it and has been since I can remember ( I 'm 40 ) .
Ever bought an electric shaver ?
The UK standard plug for bathroom appliances looks a little like the Europlug , but the pins are thicker and closer together , so it wo n't fit into a standard socket with the paperclip in the earth pin trick .
And the adapters you can buy for them in the local pound shop clearly state " for foreign use only " , because there is no way they can comply with any safety standard , with such fat holes ( the width of a two year old 's little finger ) and no earth pin to open a gate , hence no gates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a single UK standard plug and that's it and has been since I can remember (I'm 40).
Ever bought an electric shaver?
The UK standard plug for bathroom appliances looks a little like the Europlug, but the pins are thicker and closer together, so it won't fit into a standard socket with the paperclip in the earth pin trick.
And the adapters you can buy for them in the local pound shop clearly state "for foreign use only", because there is no way they can comply with any safety standard, with such fat holes (the width of a two year old's little finger) and no earth pin to open a gate, hence no gates.

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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984072</id>
	<title>3-prong ground loop hum?</title>
	<author>eison</author>
	<datestamp>1257022200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can somebody explain to me why 3-prong sockets can result in ground loop hum, and why the third prong is necessary?  Shouldn't the ground part of a polarized connection be the same as the third prong, except without the potential ground loop problem due to having 2 grounds?  I've read the 3rd prong is to ground a metal chassis to force a breaker trip in case of a problem, but couldn't you do that with the ground off a polarized connection instead of adding a new different ground?  (Didn't learn anything about this until my PS3 started my sound system humming, have fixed the hum but still don't understand the principles involved.)</p><p>Also, why the polarized/unpolarized distinction?  Why not just always polarize, even if it isn't required, since it is easy and doesn't hurt anything?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can somebody explain to me why 3-prong sockets can result in ground loop hum , and why the third prong is necessary ?
Should n't the ground part of a polarized connection be the same as the third prong , except without the potential ground loop problem due to having 2 grounds ?
I 've read the 3rd prong is to ground a metal chassis to force a breaker trip in case of a problem , but could n't you do that with the ground off a polarized connection instead of adding a new different ground ?
( Did n't learn anything about this until my PS3 started my sound system humming , have fixed the hum but still do n't understand the principles involved .
) Also , why the polarized/unpolarized distinction ?
Why not just always polarize , even if it is n't required , since it is easy and does n't hurt anything ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can somebody explain to me why 3-prong sockets can result in ground loop hum, and why the third prong is necessary?
Shouldn't the ground part of a polarized connection be the same as the third prong, except without the potential ground loop problem due to having 2 grounds?
I've read the 3rd prong is to ground a metal chassis to force a breaker trip in case of a problem, but couldn't you do that with the ground off a polarized connection instead of adding a new different ground?
(Didn't learn anything about this until my PS3 started my sound system humming, have fixed the hum but still don't understand the principles involved.
)Also, why the polarized/unpolarized distinction?
Why not just always polarize, even if it isn't required, since it is easy and doesn't hurt anything?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986776</id>
	<title>Real Problem: Phase in, pun intended.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is a fairly simple EE design problem, to understand the issues you need just to understand four issues (a) center tapped 230V 3 phase, (b) Current density, (c) ground make first, (d) over-current prevention or fusing.<br><br>The UK plug is the most idiotic, since it makes room for a local fuse, in the plug, and assume that 13A is a nominative current drain; this is idiotic since the need to make room for a consumer changeable fuse, 13A slow-blow, makes the plug HUGE. It also assumes that the consumer will down-rate the plug fuse to obtain fusing descrimination (never happens, and if it does it is invalidated by the first idiot to change fuse, (no 3A use 13A). Thus both plugs and receptacles are too big.<br><br>[Beware] in the Arab World eg Saudi uk shape is used to indicate 130V 1/2 phase, half unknown !!! US 230 is 230V bi-phase, phase unknown !<br><br>EU Round and Swiss, round triangular, allow far closer packing, and are much more sensible with lights, TV, radio, computer<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... No Fuse, is good<br><br>US 115/230 are also small, no fuse but 115 has no ground and 230 you dont know the polarity or phase without test gear.<br><br>Three old EE comments, transistors protect fuses, not the other way round,<br><br>Murphy is alive and well, UK fuses are are almost uniformly WRONGLY installed/replaced. The UK design is klunky and based in invalid prejudiced against round pin, which has been a solved problem for 50 years. With UK you do know polarity, but that is very easily tested with a multi-meter. The Swiss, but not the EU plug, which is reversible, enforce neutral continuity.<br><br>Everything &gt;10A should be hard-wired or special, its too risky to allow reverse L/N incase N (only) gets fused<br><br>Local fusing never works for the normal average joe<br><br>Modern over-current, current balance, distribution is better, safer and allows the use of unfused plugs, with L/N balance and overcurrent detection do soft shutdown or force fuse blow at the discretion of the designer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a fairly simple EE design problem , to understand the issues you need just to understand four issues ( a ) center tapped 230V 3 phase , ( b ) Current density , ( c ) ground make first , ( d ) over-current prevention or fusing.The UK plug is the most idiotic , since it makes room for a local fuse , in the plug , and assume that 13A is a nominative current drain ; this is idiotic since the need to make room for a consumer changeable fuse , 13A slow-blow , makes the plug HUGE .
It also assumes that the consumer will down-rate the plug fuse to obtain fusing descrimination ( never happens , and if it does it is invalidated by the first idiot to change fuse , ( no 3A use 13A ) .
Thus both plugs and receptacles are too big .
[ Beware ] in the Arab World eg Saudi uk shape is used to indicate 130V 1/2 phase , half unknown ! ! !
US 230 is 230V bi-phase , phase unknown ! EU Round and Swiss , round triangular , allow far closer packing , and are much more sensible with lights , TV , radio , computer ... No Fuse , is goodUS 115/230 are also small , no fuse but 115 has no ground and 230 you dont know the polarity or phase without test gear.Three old EE comments , transistors protect fuses , not the other way round,Murphy is alive and well , UK fuses are are almost uniformly WRONGLY installed/replaced .
The UK design is klunky and based in invalid prejudiced against round pin , which has been a solved problem for 50 years .
With UK you do know polarity , but that is very easily tested with a multi-meter .
The Swiss , but not the EU plug , which is reversible , enforce neutral continuity.Everything &gt; 10A should be hard-wired or special , its too risky to allow reverse L/N incase N ( only ) gets fusedLocal fusing never works for the normal average joeModern over-current , current balance , distribution is better , safer and allows the use of unfused plugs , with L/N balance and overcurrent detection do soft shutdown or force fuse blow at the discretion of the designer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a fairly simple EE design problem, to understand the issues you need just to understand four issues (a) center tapped 230V 3 phase, (b) Current density, (c) ground make first, (d) over-current prevention or fusing.The UK plug is the most idiotic, since it makes room for a local fuse, in the plug, and assume that 13A is a nominative current drain; this is idiotic since the need to make room for a consumer changeable fuse, 13A slow-blow, makes the plug HUGE.
It also assumes that the consumer will down-rate the plug fuse to obtain fusing descrimination (never happens, and if it does it is invalidated by the first idiot to change fuse, (no 3A use 13A).
Thus both plugs and receptacles are too big.
[Beware] in the Arab World eg Saudi uk shape is used to indicate 130V 1/2 phase, half unknown !!!
US 230 is 230V bi-phase, phase unknown !EU Round and Swiss, round triangular, allow far closer packing, and are much more sensible with lights, TV, radio, computer ... No Fuse, is goodUS 115/230 are also small, no fuse but 115 has no ground and 230 you dont know the polarity or phase without test gear.Three old EE comments, transistors protect fuses, not the other way round,Murphy is alive and well, UK fuses are are almost uniformly WRONGLY installed/replaced.
The UK design is klunky and based in invalid prejudiced against round pin, which has been a solved problem for 50 years.
With UK you do know polarity, but that is very easily tested with a multi-meter.
The Swiss, but not the EU plug, which is reversible, enforce neutral continuity.Everything &gt;10A should be hard-wired or special, its too risky to allow reverse L/N incase N (only) gets fusedLocal fusing never works for the normal average joeModern over-current, current balance, distribution is better, safer and allows the use of unfused plugs, with L/N balance and overcurrent detection do soft shutdown or force fuse blow at the discretion of the designer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.30001936</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257427860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you realize we have all those appliances here in the US right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you realize we have all those appliances here in the US right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you realize we have all those appliances here in the US right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983668</id>
	<title>That website SUCKS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257020940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can't read page 2, half the other pages time out.  I thought CNET was supposed to be something other than a rinky dink POS single server blog site.  Maybe it's because of the SUCKY laws and internet service in the UK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't read page 2 , half the other pages time out .
I thought CNET was supposed to be something other than a rinky dink POS single server blog site .
Maybe it 's because of the SUCKY laws and internet service in the UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't read page 2, half the other pages time out.
I thought CNET was supposed to be something other than a rinky dink POS single server blog site.
Maybe it's because of the SUCKY laws and internet service in the UK.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992874</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>cycler</author>
	<datestamp>1257421620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>220V too much?</p><p>(I'm Swedish and an Electrical Engineer)</p><p>220V to my knowledge hasn't killed anyone where ~100V would have saved them. To shift the same power the US must have thicker cables but sometimes it isn't.<br>Also, why on earth do the US only use 2 phases of 3 for the "heavy" stuff?? That would be a huge imbalance on the 3 phase power.<br>If 100V is good why are all data centers shifting to 220V? (Maybe not all but you get the idea).<br>And as the article is wrong (in Sweden anyway), most outlets in a normal house/apartment is 10A and the stove/washingmachine at 16A. At ~232V (400V 3-phase) this equals 2320W or 3712W (with a pure resistive load of course). This on a 1,5mm^2 wire. (Might be thicker in the walls, 2,5mm^2)<br>Why some one (Aussies) would argue that it's a good thing to plug a AC plug the right way is beyond me since it doesn't matter!</p><p>In Sweden (Euroland) the ground/earth is also the first and last to be connected/disconnected.</p><p>But, as a whole I would agree to get the same plugs on the planet. Trouble is, I would like it to be 220V....... with a small plug.</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/C</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>220V too much ?
( I 'm Swedish and an Electrical Engineer ) 220V to my knowledge has n't killed anyone where ~ 100V would have saved them .
To shift the same power the US must have thicker cables but sometimes it is n't.Also , why on earth do the US only use 2 phases of 3 for the " heavy " stuff ? ?
That would be a huge imbalance on the 3 phase power.If 100V is good why are all data centers shifting to 220V ?
( Maybe not all but you get the idea ) .And as the article is wrong ( in Sweden anyway ) , most outlets in a normal house/apartment is 10A and the stove/washingmachine at 16A .
At ~ 232V ( 400V 3-phase ) this equals 2320W or 3712W ( with a pure resistive load of course ) .
This on a 1,5mm ^ 2 wire .
( Might be thicker in the walls , 2,5mm ^ 2 ) Why some one ( Aussies ) would argue that it 's a good thing to plug a AC plug the right way is beyond me since it does n't matter ! In Sweden ( Euroland ) the ground/earth is also the first and last to be connected/disconnected.But , as a whole I would agree to get the same plugs on the planet .
Trouble is , I would like it to be 220V....... with a small plug .
/C</tokentext>
<sentencetext>220V too much?
(I'm Swedish and an Electrical Engineer)220V to my knowledge hasn't killed anyone where ~100V would have saved them.
To shift the same power the US must have thicker cables but sometimes it isn't.Also, why on earth do the US only use 2 phases of 3 for the "heavy" stuff??
That would be a huge imbalance on the 3 phase power.If 100V is good why are all data centers shifting to 220V?
(Maybe not all but you get the idea).And as the article is wrong (in Sweden anyway), most outlets in a normal house/apartment is 10A and the stove/washingmachine at 16A.
At ~232V (400V 3-phase) this equals 2320W or 3712W (with a pure resistive load of course).
This on a 1,5mm^2 wire.
(Might be thicker in the walls, 2,5mm^2)Why some one (Aussies) would argue that it's a good thing to plug a AC plug the right way is beyond me since it doesn't matter!In Sweden (Euroland) the ground/earth is also the first and last to be connected/disconnected.But, as a whole I would agree to get the same plugs on the planet.
Trouble is, I would like it to be 220V....... with a small plug.
/C</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984188</id>
	<title>One vote for AUS/NZ Plug</title>
	<author>dafing</author>
	<datestamp>1257022560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>for aesthetic reasons alone, in my nuclear free country, we use a plug/outlet design that looks like "The Nuclear Symbol"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS\_3112" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS\_3112</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>for aesthetic reasons alone , in my nuclear free country , we use a plug/outlet design that looks like " The Nuclear Symbol " : P http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS \ _3112 [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for aesthetic reasons alone, in my nuclear free country, we use a plug/outlet design that looks like "The Nuclear Symbol" :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS\_3112 [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984000</id>
	<title>Just like a US popular UK TV show</title>
	<author>recharged95</author>
	<datestamp>1257021960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This article smells like it was written by the editors/hosts of Top Gear.
<br>
<br>
(as the ZR-1 cleans house...)</htmltext>
<tokenext>This article smells like it was written by the editors/hosts of Top Gear .
( as the ZR-1 cleans house... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This article smells like it was written by the editors/hosts of Top Gear.
(as the ZR-1 cleans house...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983196</id>
	<title>US vs UK...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>So they rated the US as the worse and the UK as the best. However they only looked at non-grounded, 110v outlets without GFI for the US and it's a UK publication. Frankly, other then the voltage (220 vs 110) and the orientation, UK and US are identical.
<br> <br>
Whole thing seems more then a little biased.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So they rated the US as the worse and the UK as the best .
However they only looked at non-grounded , 110v outlets without GFI for the US and it 's a UK publication .
Frankly , other then the voltage ( 220 vs 110 ) and the orientation , UK and US are identical .
Whole thing seems more then a little biased .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they rated the US as the worse and the UK as the best.
However they only looked at non-grounded, 110v outlets without GFI for the US and it's a UK publication.
Frankly, other then the voltage (220 vs 110) and the orientation, UK and US are identical.
Whole thing seems more then a little biased.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986534</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>Teun</author>
	<datestamp>1256986680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>UK drivel, bunt then they did start with typical British humor explaining how unbiased their investigation was.<p>
As an electrician/electrical engineer that travels a lot I can agree with most that comes after the silly UK score.</p><p>But I find it strange they left out the French which is very similar to the Danish and the German which is probably most widespread.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>UK drivel , bunt then they did start with typical British humor explaining how unbiased their investigation was .
As an electrician/electrical engineer that travels a lot I can agree with most that comes after the silly UK score.But I find it strange they left out the French which is very similar to the Danish and the German which is probably most widespread .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>UK drivel, bunt then they did start with typical British humor explaining how unbiased their investigation was.
As an electrician/electrical engineer that travels a lot I can agree with most that comes after the silly UK score.But I find it strange they left out the French which is very similar to the Danish and the German which is probably most widespread.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29993426</id>
	<title>Re:What a BOGUS article</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1257427980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>That "current UK tech" *is* from 50 years ago - that's how our plugs have been for a very long time - since 1946 in fact. So 63 years.</i><br>Note that while BS1363 is indeed that old the early versions didn't have pin insulation and I don't think shutters were mandatory when it was first introduced either (not sure on that though).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That " current UK tech " * is * from 50 years ago - that 's how our plugs have been for a very long time - since 1946 in fact .
So 63 years.Note that while BS1363 is indeed that old the early versions did n't have pin insulation and I do n't think shutters were mandatory when it was first introduced either ( not sure on that though ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That "current UK tech" *is* from 50 years ago - that's how our plugs have been for a very long time - since 1946 in fact.
So 63 years.Note that while BS1363 is indeed that old the early versions didn't have pin insulation and I don't think shutters were mandatory when it was first introduced either (not sure on that though).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29993052</id>
	<title>Re:Non-optimal</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1257423780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Symmetrical</p></div><p>But the live is more dangerous than the neutral. UK plugs <i>must</i> have the fuse right after the live pin, and appliances <i>must</i> have the power switch in the live wire (nowadays probably both wires).</p><p><div class="quote"><p>if the spring wears out</p></div><p>The only times I've seen broken UK sockets is when they've been abused, e.g. the ones in the back row of a school science lab. House sockets from the 1960s still work.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't see the advantage to fusing the plug versus a device with a replaceable fuse.</p></div><p>It protects the wire between the socket and the appliance. The maximum current from a UK circuit is 30A, but that requires a bulky cable (like the one in the wall). You don't want that bulky cable on a desk lamp, so you put a fuse in the plug. The desk lamp will typically have a 1 or 3A fuse in the plug.</p><p>Unfortunately, the 3, 5 and 13A fuses are the same size, so it's possible to make the desk lamp unsafe by replacing the 3A fuse with a 13A one. People sometimes do this if the fuse keeps blowing (the lamp is probably faulty...) and end up with an unsafe appliance.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>SymmetricalBut the live is more dangerous than the neutral .
UK plugs must have the fuse right after the live pin , and appliances must have the power switch in the live wire ( nowadays probably both wires ) .if the spring wears outThe only times I 've seen broken UK sockets is when they 've been abused , e.g .
the ones in the back row of a school science lab .
House sockets from the 1960s still work.I do n't see the advantage to fusing the plug versus a device with a replaceable fuse.It protects the wire between the socket and the appliance .
The maximum current from a UK circuit is 30A , but that requires a bulky cable ( like the one in the wall ) .
You do n't want that bulky cable on a desk lamp , so you put a fuse in the plug .
The desk lamp will typically have a 1 or 3A fuse in the plug.Unfortunately , the 3 , 5 and 13A fuses are the same size , so it 's possible to make the desk lamp unsafe by replacing the 3A fuse with a 13A one .
People sometimes do this if the fuse keeps blowing ( the lamp is probably faulty... ) and end up with an unsafe appliance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SymmetricalBut the live is more dangerous than the neutral.
UK plugs must have the fuse right after the live pin, and appliances must have the power switch in the live wire (nowadays probably both wires).if the spring wears outThe only times I've seen broken UK sockets is when they've been abused, e.g.
the ones in the back row of a school science lab.
House sockets from the 1960s still work.I don't see the advantage to fusing the plug versus a device with a replaceable fuse.It protects the wire between the socket and the appliance.
The maximum current from a UK circuit is 30A, but that requires a bulky cable (like the one in the wall).
You don't want that bulky cable on a desk lamp, so you put a fuse in the plug.
The desk lamp will typically have a 1 or 3A fuse in the plug.Unfortunately, the 3, 5 and 13A fuses are the same size, so it's possible to make the desk lamp unsafe by replacing the 3A fuse with a 13A one.
People sometimes do this if the fuse keeps blowing (the lamp is probably faulty...) and end up with an unsafe appliance.
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	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256997060000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A) humour is good<br>B) Those have their own plugs, and their own circuits in the US. So, you can't smoke yourself.<br>C) all of the washing machines, dishwashers and coffee pots in the states run on 120V circuits just fine (the cretins drink coffee not tea)<br>D) lighten up, mate. TFA was a joke too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A ) humour is goodB ) Those have their own plugs , and their own circuits in the US .
So , you ca n't smoke yourself.C ) all of the washing machines , dishwashers and coffee pots in the states run on 120V circuits just fine ( the cretins drink coffee not tea ) D ) lighten up , mate .
TFA was a joke too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A) humour is goodB) Those have their own plugs, and their own circuits in the US.
So, you can't smoke yourself.C) all of the washing machines, dishwashers and coffee pots in the states run on 120V circuits just fine (the cretins drink coffee not tea)D) lighten up, mate.
TFA was a joke too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989188</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1256998560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>220V is too much for everyday electronics. Why does your vacuum cleaner or table lamp need 220V?</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, 110V is too much for everyday electronics, too. Fact is, the voltage standards have nothing to do with appliances or electronics. Most of the world chose 220V over 110V due to reduced transmission costs. They can get away with a smaller diameter wire to transmit the same amount of power. After WW2, they had to string up a LOT of wire when copper was none too cheap.</p><blockquote><div><p>However, if there's a fault in an appliance, and the current carrying lead is exposed, you can touch the conductor without anything more than severe discomfort (wouldn't even call it pain - this has happened to me with a bad light socket). I doubt you could pull this off with 220V.</p></div></blockquote><p>You could plausibly say that 110V is theoretically "safer" than 220V. But in practice, there's not that much difference. It's like getting hit by either a car or a pickup at the same speed. The voltage isn't what hurts you, it's the current. 110V is still plenty deadly, ask the <a href="http://esfi.org/node/568" title="esfi.org">roughly 400 people</a> [esfi.org] that die from it in the U.S. every year. If you're interested, only <a href="http://www2.valeroyal.gov.uk/internet/vr.nsf/0/EF3D171A0D883A3D80256F33004ABFDC/$file/Residual\_Current\_Devices.PDF" title="valeroyal.gov.uk">40 people</a> [valeroyal.gov.uk] die of electrocution every year in the U.K. If you take into account that the U.S. has a little more than 5 times more people, that means that you're twice as likely to die electrocution in the U.S. than you are in the U.K.</p><blockquote><div><p>The upshot of this is the US has many more circuit breakers, and a lot more granularity.</p></div> </blockquote><p>This really depends on a lot of things. The age of the house, the local electric code, the work ethic of the electrician doing the job, and so on. The house that I bought three years ago was built in the 1940's and had only main breakers: one for the upstairs and one for the downstairs and basement. All of the other breakers were for things like the water heater, fridge, stove, furnace, AC, etc. (For the record, I've never seen an average-sized house with 30-40 separate circuits.)</p><p>I would imagine the situation is much the same in the U.K. Chances are pretty good that new developments in every developed country have better wiring practices than decades before. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the modern U.K. electrical code is much MORE stringent than most US codes are, owing to their world-class bureaucracy.</p><blockquote><div><p>UK plugs are fused, so the appliances are about as safe,</p></div> </blockquote><p>I guess it depends on what you mean by "safe." Safe from fire maybe. Apart from that, fuses do NOTHING to protect people, they protect equipment and property only. An electrical system with a third grounding leg, and GFCI outlets, those things help protect BOTH life and property.</p></div>
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<tokenext>220V is too much for everyday electronics .
Why does your vacuum cleaner or table lamp need 220V ? Well , 110V is too much for everyday electronics , too .
Fact is , the voltage standards have nothing to do with appliances or electronics .
Most of the world chose 220V over 110V due to reduced transmission costs .
They can get away with a smaller diameter wire to transmit the same amount of power .
After WW2 , they had to string up a LOT of wire when copper was none too cheap.However , if there 's a fault in an appliance , and the current carrying lead is exposed , you can touch the conductor without anything more than severe discomfort ( would n't even call it pain - this has happened to me with a bad light socket ) .
I doubt you could pull this off with 220V.You could plausibly say that 110V is theoretically " safer " than 220V .
But in practice , there 's not that much difference .
It 's like getting hit by either a car or a pickup at the same speed .
The voltage is n't what hurts you , it 's the current .
110V is still plenty deadly , ask the roughly 400 people [ esfi.org ] that die from it in the U.S. every year .
If you 're interested , only 40 people [ valeroyal.gov.uk ] die of electrocution every year in the U.K. If you take into account that the U.S. has a little more than 5 times more people , that means that you 're twice as likely to die electrocution in the U.S. than you are in the U.K.The upshot of this is the US has many more circuit breakers , and a lot more granularity .
This really depends on a lot of things .
The age of the house , the local electric code , the work ethic of the electrician doing the job , and so on .
The house that I bought three years ago was built in the 1940 's and had only main breakers : one for the upstairs and one for the downstairs and basement .
All of the other breakers were for things like the water heater , fridge , stove , furnace , AC , etc .
( For the record , I 've never seen an average-sized house with 30-40 separate circuits .
) I would imagine the situation is much the same in the U.K. Chances are pretty good that new developments in every developed country have better wiring practices than decades before .
In fact , it would n't surprise me if the modern U.K. electrical code is much MORE stringent than most US codes are , owing to their world-class bureaucracy.UK plugs are fused , so the appliances are about as safe , I guess it depends on what you mean by " safe .
" Safe from fire maybe .
Apart from that , fuses do NOTHING to protect people , they protect equipment and property only .
An electrical system with a third grounding leg , and GFCI outlets , those things help protect BOTH life and property .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>220V is too much for everyday electronics.
Why does your vacuum cleaner or table lamp need 220V?Well, 110V is too much for everyday electronics, too.
Fact is, the voltage standards have nothing to do with appliances or electronics.
Most of the world chose 220V over 110V due to reduced transmission costs.
They can get away with a smaller diameter wire to transmit the same amount of power.
After WW2, they had to string up a LOT of wire when copper was none too cheap.However, if there's a fault in an appliance, and the current carrying lead is exposed, you can touch the conductor without anything more than severe discomfort (wouldn't even call it pain - this has happened to me with a bad light socket).
I doubt you could pull this off with 220V.You could plausibly say that 110V is theoretically "safer" than 220V.
But in practice, there's not that much difference.
It's like getting hit by either a car or a pickup at the same speed.
The voltage isn't what hurts you, it's the current.
110V is still plenty deadly, ask the roughly 400 people [esfi.org] that die from it in the U.S. every year.
If you're interested, only 40 people [valeroyal.gov.uk] die of electrocution every year in the U.K. If you take into account that the U.S. has a little more than 5 times more people, that means that you're twice as likely to die electrocution in the U.S. than you are in the U.K.The upshot of this is the US has many more circuit breakers, and a lot more granularity.
This really depends on a lot of things.
The age of the house, the local electric code, the work ethic of the electrician doing the job, and so on.
The house that I bought three years ago was built in the 1940's and had only main breakers: one for the upstairs and one for the downstairs and basement.
All of the other breakers were for things like the water heater, fridge, stove, furnace, AC, etc.
(For the record, I've never seen an average-sized house with 30-40 separate circuits.
)I would imagine the situation is much the same in the U.K. Chances are pretty good that new developments in every developed country have better wiring practices than decades before.
In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the modern U.K. electrical code is much MORE stringent than most US codes are, owing to their world-class bureaucracy.UK plugs are fused, so the appliances are about as safe, I guess it depends on what you mean by "safe.
" Safe from fire maybe.
Apart from that, fuses do NOTHING to protect people, they protect equipment and property only.
An electrical system with a third grounding leg, and GFCI outlets, those things help protect BOTH life and property.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985052</id>
	<title>Re:Aha! Time for my favorite indie design this yea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256982180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your power strip for multiple plugs like that still needs to be ginormous.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your power strip for multiple plugs like that still needs to be ginormous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your power strip for multiple plugs like that still needs to be ginormous.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985678</id>
	<title>I was involved in plug standards in the 80s</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1256983860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I confess. I took the 12-step plan to recovery and although I will always be a connectoholic, I'm all right so long as you don't get me started on the subject.<p>The best system in the world, for real, is a combination of the Europlug and the Schuko plug. Proper Europlugs and Schuko plugs have bodies which fit partly into the wall so the load is not taken by the pins. The Europlug pins are partly insulated so if you can see metal, it's safe. You can fit lots of them onto a power strip, so a strip for electronics can have many connectors in a small space while a power extender can give you 16A in a small footprint.</p><p>The reason the UK still has the BS1363 plug is because it has square pins, and the manufacturers thought the Chinese would not want to invest in special tooling to make them when they had the world of round pins or cheap strip pins (as in US) to go after. Then Mrs. Thatcher came along and they decided to let the Chinese make them anyway.</p><p>Every time you buy a computer in the UK you get a BS 1363 to IEC lead and a Schuko to IEC lead. That's how cheap they are: manufacturers throw them away rather than be bothered to have two different SKUs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I confess .
I took the 12-step plan to recovery and although I will always be a connectoholic , I 'm all right so long as you do n't get me started on the subject.The best system in the world , for real , is a combination of the Europlug and the Schuko plug .
Proper Europlugs and Schuko plugs have bodies which fit partly into the wall so the load is not taken by the pins .
The Europlug pins are partly insulated so if you can see metal , it 's safe .
You can fit lots of them onto a power strip , so a strip for electronics can have many connectors in a small space while a power extender can give you 16A in a small footprint.The reason the UK still has the BS1363 plug is because it has square pins , and the manufacturers thought the Chinese would not want to invest in special tooling to make them when they had the world of round pins or cheap strip pins ( as in US ) to go after .
Then Mrs. Thatcher came along and they decided to let the Chinese make them anyway.Every time you buy a computer in the UK you get a BS 1363 to IEC lead and a Schuko to IEC lead .
That 's how cheap they are : manufacturers throw them away rather than be bothered to have two different SKUs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I confess.
I took the 12-step plan to recovery and although I will always be a connectoholic, I'm all right so long as you don't get me started on the subject.The best system in the world, for real, is a combination of the Europlug and the Schuko plug.
Proper Europlugs and Schuko plugs have bodies which fit partly into the wall so the load is not taken by the pins.
The Europlug pins are partly insulated so if you can see metal, it's safe.
You can fit lots of them onto a power strip, so a strip for electronics can have many connectors in a small space while a power extender can give you 16A in a small footprint.The reason the UK still has the BS1363 plug is because it has square pins, and the manufacturers thought the Chinese would not want to invest in special tooling to make them when they had the world of round pins or cheap strip pins (as in US) to go after.
Then Mrs. Thatcher came along and they decided to let the Chinese make them anyway.Every time you buy a computer in the UK you get a BS 1363 to IEC lead and a Schuko to IEC lead.
That's how cheap they are: manufacturers throw them away rather than be bothered to have two different SKUs.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Aha! Time for my favorite indie design this yea</title>
	<author>aaarrrgggh</author>
	<datestamp>1257002100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is actually really cool.  It does a lot to make up for all the problems in the UK design...  I wonder if it would pass an electrical safety testing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is actually really cool .
It does a lot to make up for all the problems in the UK design... I wonder if it would pass an electrical safety testing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is actually really cool.
It does a lot to make up for all the problems in the UK design...  I wonder if it would pass an electrical safety testing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983202</id>
	<title>Depends on your criteria</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1257019740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The British electrical plug is the safest, but also the most expensive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The British electrical plug is the safest , but also the most expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The British electrical plug is the safest, but also the most expensive.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257412020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where does 'taking the piss' come from?</p><p>It makes no sense and if taken literally...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where does 'taking the piss ' come from ? It makes no sense and if taken literally.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where does 'taking the piss' come from?It makes no sense and if taken literally...</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>Shag</author>
	<datestamp>1256986020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily; it's how I run my spare heater.</p></div><p>I'm trying to decide whether:<br>1. You have an extra heater.<br>2. You meant "space heater."<br>3. You think your "hot spares" need to be kept literally hot.</p></div>
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<tokenext>BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily ; it 's how I run my spare heater.I 'm trying to decide whether : 1 .
You have an extra heater.2 .
You meant " space heater. " 3 .
You think your " hot spares " need to be kept literally hot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily; it's how I run my spare heater.I'm trying to decide whether:1.
You have an extra heater.2.
You meant "space heater."3.
You think your "hot spares" need to be kept literally hot.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988302</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>confused one</author>
	<datestamp>1256994000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The British standard of using a ring circuit instead of many branch circuits was put in place immediately after WWII.  They had to rebuild a significant fraction of the country and this method required less raw materials.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The British standard of using a ring circuit instead of many branch circuits was put in place immediately after WWII .
They had to rebuild a significant fraction of the country and this method required less raw materials .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The British standard of using a ring circuit instead of many branch circuits was put in place immediately after WWII.
They had to rebuild a significant fraction of the country and this method required less raw materials.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Gizmodo covered this about a week ago</title>
	<author>damn\_registrars</author>
	<datestamp>1256993820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At first I thought your story was going to be worth reading, then I noticed the link:<p><div class="quote"><p>giz-explains-why-every-country-has-a-different-fing-plug</p></div><p>
I'm not falling for those goatse references<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>At first I thought your story was going to be worth reading , then I noticed the link : giz-explains-why-every-country-has-a-different-fing-plug I 'm not falling for those goatse references .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At first I thought your story was going to be worth reading, then I noticed the link:giz-explains-why-every-country-has-a-different-fing-plug
I'm not falling for those goatse references ...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983834</id>
	<title>Re:Is this really front page news?</title>
	<author>at\_slashdot</author>
	<datestamp>1257021480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why isn't the parent modded "insightful"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is n't the parent modded " insightful " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why isn't the parent modded "insightful"?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.30047558</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257876240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>First of all, current kills, not potential difference (=voltage). Both 110 and 220V are plenty to overcome the resistance of the human body so from that perspective there's hardly a difference.</p></div><p>power = voltage^2 / resistance<br>so clearly 2x the voltage is 4x as dangerous<br>More voltage will draw more power. Its that easy, so I am afraid your argument is misinformed, and therefore both wrong, and invalid.</p></div>
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<tokenext>First of all , current kills , not potential difference ( = voltage ) .
Both 110 and 220V are plenty to overcome the resistance of the human body so from that perspective there 's hardly a difference.power = voltage ^ 2 / resistanceso clearly 2x the voltage is 4x as dangerousMore voltage will draw more power .
Its that easy , so I am afraid your argument is misinformed , and therefore both wrong , and invalid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, current kills, not potential difference (=voltage).
Both 110 and 220V are plenty to overcome the resistance of the human body so from that perspective there's hardly a difference.power = voltage^2 / resistanceso clearly 2x the voltage is 4x as dangerousMore voltage will draw more power.
Its that easy, so I am afraid your argument is misinformed, and therefore both wrong, and invalid.
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	<title>Re:The british plug is the *worst*</title>
	<author>qc\_dk</author>
	<datestamp>1257419400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>or British. (with a very capital B)</htmltext>
<tokenext>or British .
( with a very capital B )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or British.
(with a very capital B)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986384</id>
	<title>Re:Swiss</title>
	<author>mspohr</author>
	<datestamp>1256986080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree.  The Swiss have the best plugs.  Sturdy round pins go into a recessed socket for safety.<p>
On the other hand, the British plugs are just too large and clumsy.  They look like something out of a Frankenstein movie.  Also, the individual on/off switches on each socket drive me crazy.  It's always off when you need it to be on and don't check it.  I never want to be able to turn off an outlet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
The Swiss have the best plugs .
Sturdy round pins go into a recessed socket for safety .
On the other hand , the British plugs are just too large and clumsy .
They look like something out of a Frankenstein movie .
Also , the individual on/off switches on each socket drive me crazy .
It 's always off when you need it to be on and do n't check it .
I never want to be able to turn off an outlet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
The Swiss have the best plugs.
Sturdy round pins go into a recessed socket for safety.
On the other hand, the British plugs are just too large and clumsy.
They look like something out of a Frankenstein movie.
Also, the individual on/off switches on each socket drive me crazy.
It's always off when you need it to be on and don't check it.
I never want to be able to turn off an outlet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983292</id>
	<title>UK is the worst</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everybody who ever looked at a UK powerbar know why UK plugs suck</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everybody who ever looked at a UK powerbar know why UK plugs suck</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everybody who ever looked at a UK powerbar know why UK plugs suck</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>Idarubicin</author>
	<datestamp>1256994060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily; it's how I run my spare heater.</p></div></blockquote><p>
15 amps is good, the British plug (Type G, or BS 1363) is only rated for 13 amps.  But wait -- the American plug is only good for up to 125 volts; the Brits are rated up to 240 volts.
</p><p>
That's up to 3120 watts, and it's why all American kettles suck ass.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily ; it 's how I run my spare heater .
15 amps is good , the British plug ( Type G , or BS 1363 ) is only rated for 13 amps .
But wait -- the American plug is only good for up to 125 volts ; the Brits are rated up to 240 volts .
That 's up to 3120 watts , and it 's why all American kettles suck ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BTW an American plug can handle 15 amps easily; it's how I run my spare heater.
15 amps is good, the British plug (Type G, or BS 1363) is only rated for 13 amps.
But wait -- the American plug is only good for up to 125 volts; the Brits are rated up to 240 volts.
That's up to 3120 watts, and it's why all American kettles suck ass.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988498</id>
	<title>Re:Depends on your criteria</title>
	<author>JuzzFunky</author>
	<datestamp>1256995020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here is an interesting talk at TED.com on safe power outlets <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/john\_la\_grou\_plugs\_smart\_power\_outlets\_1.html" title="ted.com"> TED.com</a> [ted.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is an interesting talk at TED.com on safe power outlets TED.com [ ted.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is an interesting talk at TED.com on safe power outlets  TED.com [ted.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987208</id>
	<title>Re:Europlug and the stupid British socket</title>
	<author>omb</author>
	<datestamp>1256989440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Upside Down === Reversed Live/Neutral, ie switched off but still on</htmltext>
<tokenext>Upside Down = = = Reversed Live/Neutral , ie switched off but still on</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Upside Down === Reversed Live/Neutral, ie switched off but still on</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983858</id>
	<title>Slashdotted</title>
	<author>Borommakot\_15</author>
	<datestamp>1257021480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Woo?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Woo ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Woo?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989286</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256999100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't see many electric kettles because Americans don't drink as much tea as the British.</p><p>You do see plenty of coffee machines, all of which are electric.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't see many electric kettles because Americans do n't drink as much tea as the British.You do see plenty of coffee machines , all of which are electric .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't see many electric kettles because Americans don't drink as much tea as the British.You do see plenty of coffee machines, all of which are electric.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983526</id>
	<title>Perfect article for Arthur Weasley</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257020580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He collected plugs and batteries, didn't he?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He collected plugs and batteries , did n't he ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He collected plugs and batteries, didn't he?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987096</id>
	<title>Re:objective my ass...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256989020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A 13A fuse (the max) can fit in a 3A cord.  In order for the fuse to cut the power, it has to melt but in this case, the cord will melt and catch on fire before the fuse does. FAIL</p></div><p>Moreover, even if you had fitted the correct fuse, there's a good chance the thing will STILL melt and catch fire before the fuse goes. Most fuses can survive for over 5 minutes when drawing double or more their rated current (e.g. a 13A fuse vs. appliance drawing 26A), and even a dead short won't blow a fuse very quickly. This is all an argument for using RCDs and MCBs as well as fuses.</p><p>However, having fuses on the plugs is a much better idea than having them at the distribution board - primarily for convenience's sake as it means if something breaks then the part you need to fix is near the thing that broke, not buried in a garage or cellar or whatever.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A 13A fuse ( the max ) can fit in a 3A cord .
In order for the fuse to cut the power , it has to melt but in this case , the cord will melt and catch on fire before the fuse does .
FAILMoreover , even if you had fitted the correct fuse , there 's a good chance the thing will STILL melt and catch fire before the fuse goes .
Most fuses can survive for over 5 minutes when drawing double or more their rated current ( e.g .
a 13A fuse vs. appliance drawing 26A ) , and even a dead short wo n't blow a fuse very quickly .
This is all an argument for using RCDs and MCBs as well as fuses.However , having fuses on the plugs is a much better idea than having them at the distribution board - primarily for convenience 's sake as it means if something breaks then the part you need to fix is near the thing that broke , not buried in a garage or cellar or whatever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A 13A fuse (the max) can fit in a 3A cord.
In order for the fuse to cut the power, it has to melt but in this case, the cord will melt and catch on fire before the fuse does.
FAILMoreover, even if you had fitted the correct fuse, there's a good chance the thing will STILL melt and catch fire before the fuse goes.
Most fuses can survive for over 5 minutes when drawing double or more their rated current (e.g.
a 13A fuse vs. appliance drawing 26A), and even a dead short won't blow a fuse very quickly.
This is all an argument for using RCDs and MCBs as well as fuses.However, having fuses on the plugs is a much better idea than having them at the distribution board - primarily for convenience's sake as it means if something breaks then the part you need to fix is near the thing that broke, not buried in a garage or cellar or whatever.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986328</id>
	<title>Re:Europlug and the stupid British socket</title>
	<author>WaroDaBeast</author>
	<datestamp>1256985780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Next thing you know is they (the Britons) are going to demonstrate that driving on the right side of the road means driving on the wrong side of the road.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Next thing you know is they ( the Britons ) are going to demonstrate that driving on the right side of the road means driving on the wrong side of the road .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next thing you know is they (the Britons) are going to demonstrate that driving on the right side of the road means driving on the wrong side of the road.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29988508</id>
	<title>Re:objective my ass...</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1256995080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OTOH, you'll need to excange a fuse. I don't know about you but over here (Germany) the distribution board usually only carrys a few large fuses and a lot of breakers. If you do "blow out a fuse" you walk to the board and reset the breaker. I strongly doubt that they're going to build that into a plug and I'd find it quite annoying to try and recover from a recoverable electrical fault (whatever kind of fault that could be) only to find that I'm out of fuses. Plus, I still need to walk to where I keep the fuses as I certainly don't have an assortment of fuses on me at all times.<br>
<br>
Now I know that what I said is most likely horribly inaccurate from an electrical engineering point of view but we are arguing end-user convenience here and an event that blows out the fuse but allows immediate recovery is most likely going to be a short - and those are caught by the breakers just fine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OTOH , you 'll need to excange a fuse .
I do n't know about you but over here ( Germany ) the distribution board usually only carrys a few large fuses and a lot of breakers .
If you do " blow out a fuse " you walk to the board and reset the breaker .
I strongly doubt that they 're going to build that into a plug and I 'd find it quite annoying to try and recover from a recoverable electrical fault ( whatever kind of fault that could be ) only to find that I 'm out of fuses .
Plus , I still need to walk to where I keep the fuses as I certainly do n't have an assortment of fuses on me at all times .
Now I know that what I said is most likely horribly inaccurate from an electrical engineering point of view but we are arguing end-user convenience here and an event that blows out the fuse but allows immediate recovery is most likely going to be a short - and those are caught by the breakers just fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OTOH, you'll need to excange a fuse.
I don't know about you but over here (Germany) the distribution board usually only carrys a few large fuses and a lot of breakers.
If you do "blow out a fuse" you walk to the board and reset the breaker.
I strongly doubt that they're going to build that into a plug and I'd find it quite annoying to try and recover from a recoverable electrical fault (whatever kind of fault that could be) only to find that I'm out of fuses.
Plus, I still need to walk to where I keep the fuses as I certainly don't have an assortment of fuses on me at all times.
Now I know that what I said is most likely horribly inaccurate from an electrical engineering point of view but we are arguing end-user convenience here and an event that blows out the fuse but allows immediate recovery is most likely going to be a short - and those are caught by the breakers just fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989272</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256998980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was humor? british humor is so... dry<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... about the only thing that is dry in that soggy wet rainy foggy country<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. no wonder you need fuses in every switch to keep the damp british from frying themselves when their heaters in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was humor ?
british humor is so... dry .... about the only thing that is dry in that soggy wet rainy foggy country .. no wonder you need fuses in every switch to keep the damp british from frying themselves when their heaters in : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was humor?
british humor is so... dry .... about the only thing that is dry in that soggy wet rainy foggy country .. no wonder you need fuses in every switch to keep the damp british from frying themselves when their heaters in :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992444</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>martyros</author>
	<datestamp>1257416580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>First of all, current kills, not potential difference (=voltage). Both 110 and 220V are plenty to overcome the resistance of the human body so from that perspective there's hardly a difference.</p></div></blockquote><p>Current kills, but the amount of current you get goes up with voltage, and down with resistance.  Ohms law: V=IR right?  So given that R, the resistance of the human body is constant, doubling the voltage means doubling the current.  In other words, there's more current flowing over <i>the wires</i> in the US, but if you grab one of those mains, there will be more current flowing <i>through your body</i> in Europe.
</p><p>(Three volts is enough to "overcome the resistance of the human body".  Haven't you ever grabbed  two ends of a ohmmeter, one in each hand, and measured your own resistance?  That's how the scientology "diagnostic" machines work.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , current kills , not potential difference ( = voltage ) .
Both 110 and 220V are plenty to overcome the resistance of the human body so from that perspective there 's hardly a difference.Current kills , but the amount of current you get goes up with voltage , and down with resistance .
Ohms law : V = IR right ?
So given that R , the resistance of the human body is constant , doubling the voltage means doubling the current .
In other words , there 's more current flowing over the wires in the US , but if you grab one of those mains , there will be more current flowing through your body in Europe .
( Three volts is enough to " overcome the resistance of the human body " .
Have n't you ever grabbed two ends of a ohmmeter , one in each hand , and measured your own resistance ?
That 's how the scientology " diagnostic " machines work .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, current kills, not potential difference (=voltage).
Both 110 and 220V are plenty to overcome the resistance of the human body so from that perspective there's hardly a difference.Current kills, but the amount of current you get goes up with voltage, and down with resistance.
Ohms law: V=IR right?
So given that R, the resistance of the human body is constant, doubling the voltage means doubling the current.
In other words, there's more current flowing over the wires in the US, but if you grab one of those mains, there will be more current flowing through your body in Europe.
(Three volts is enough to "overcome the resistance of the human body".
Haven't you ever grabbed  two ends of a ohmmeter, one in each hand, and measured your own resistance?
That's how the scientology "diagnostic" machines work.
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989202</id>
	<title>Re:Article summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256998680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did Denmark only get a 9 because its plug looks like a smiley face?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did Denmark only get a 9 because its plug looks like a smiley face ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did Denmark only get a 9 because its plug looks like a smiley face?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983394</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29993776</id>
	<title>Re:um no</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257431040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. And the content is utter wank too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
And the content is utter wank too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
And the content is utter wank too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983750</id>
	<title>Smiley Face Plugs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257021180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Several map out to smileys</p><p><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/67/P2050397.JPG/100px-P2050397.JPG" title="wikimedia.org" rel="nofollow"> "Oh Noes!"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:O </a> [wikimedia.org]<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Australian\_dual\_switched\_power\_point.jpg" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow"> "Boooo &gt;:o" </a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>And last, but not least,</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:K\_plug.jpg" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">"Oh Hai!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D"</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Several map out to smileys " Oh Noes !
" : O [ wikimedia.org ] " Boooo &gt; : o " [ wikipedia.org ] And last , but not least , " Oh Hai !
: D " [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several map out to smileys "Oh Noes!
" :O  [wikimedia.org] "Boooo &gt;:o"  [wikipedia.org]And last, but not least,"Oh Hai!
:D" [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989796</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257002280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Unfortunately, you'd be wrong on both accounts.</p><p>First of all, current kills, not potential difference (=voltage). Both 110 and 220V are plenty to overcome the resistance of the human body so from that perspective there's hardly a difference.</p></div><p>Assuming the resistance of the human body is a constant, which will produce more current through the human body?  110V or 220V?  Let's see, I=V/R, so the 220 power source will cause twice a much current to go through you. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , you 'd be wrong on both accounts.First of all , current kills , not potential difference ( = voltage ) .
Both 110 and 220V are plenty to overcome the resistance of the human body so from that perspective there 's hardly a difference.Assuming the resistance of the human body is a constant , which will produce more current through the human body ?
110V or 220V ?
Let 's see , I = V/R , so the 220 power source will cause twice a much current to go through you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, you'd be wrong on both accounts.First of all, current kills, not potential difference (=voltage).
Both 110 and 220V are plenty to overcome the resistance of the human body so from that perspective there's hardly a difference.Assuming the resistance of the human body is a constant, which will produce more current through the human body?
110V or 220V?
Let's see, I=V/R, so the 220 power source will cause twice a much current to go through you. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987804</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>RzUpAnmsCwrds</author>
	<datestamp>1256991600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These devices are usually wired for 220V in the US:<br>- Electric clothes dryer<br>- Electric ovens<br>- Electric stoves</p><p>Dishwashers run fine on a 15A 110V circuit. So do washing machines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These devices are usually wired for 220V in the US : - Electric clothes dryer- Electric ovens- Electric stovesDishwashers run fine on a 15A 110V circuit .
So do washing machines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These devices are usually wired for 220V in the US:- Electric clothes dryer- Electric ovens- Electric stovesDishwashers run fine on a 15A 110V circuit.
So do washing machines.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984398</id>
	<title>Re:Biased...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256979960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess you gotta have something</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess you got ta have something</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess you gotta have something</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29984054</id>
	<title>Re:Is this really front page news?</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1257022140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Seriously, why don't you just post "Nothing happened today" in big letters on the front page?</i></p><p>See what happens when your mains sockets are inferior. People think I'm crazy when I tell them first it's the mains socket, but before you know it your judgement's gone, slashdot has turned into digg, and cats and dogs are sleeping together. Fix that mains socket design before it's all too late!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , why do n't you just post " Nothing happened today " in big letters on the front page ? See what happens when your mains sockets are inferior .
People think I 'm crazy when I tell them first it 's the mains socket , but before you know it your judgement 's gone , slashdot has turned into digg , and cats and dogs are sleeping together .
Fix that mains socket design before it 's all too late ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, why don't you just post "Nothing happened today" in big letters on the front page?See what happens when your mains sockets are inferior.
People think I'm crazy when I tell them first it's the mains socket, but before you know it your judgement's gone, slashdot has turned into digg, and cats and dogs are sleeping together.
Fix that mains socket design before it's all too late!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29983760</id>
	<title>Re:As I found out on my trip from the US to the UK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257021240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is easy to do now thanks to switching power supplies - also the reason why your phone charger is so little and light. Switching power supplies are much cheaper than old transformer ones.</p><p>Another big bonus for the manufacturer is that they only have to stock/make one version for all countries. That is why you will often find your new TV comes with a few different cables, for different kinds of socket, and has German text in the manual.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is easy to do now thanks to switching power supplies - also the reason why your phone charger is so little and light .
Switching power supplies are much cheaper than old transformer ones.Another big bonus for the manufacturer is that they only have to stock/make one version for all countries .
That is why you will often find your new TV comes with a few different cables , for different kinds of socket , and has German text in the manual .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is easy to do now thanks to switching power supplies - also the reason why your phone charger is so little and light.
Switching power supplies are much cheaper than old transformer ones.Another big bonus for the manufacturer is that they only have to stock/make one version for all countries.
That is why you will often find your new TV comes with a few different cables, for different kinds of socket, and has German text in the manual.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989134</id>
	<title>Re:US Electrical system is better</title>
	<author>funkboy</author>
	<datestamp>1256998320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>if you drive a nail through a wire, it will only be carrying 15, maybe 20A before the circuit breaker blows. That's opposed to the 220V at 40A...</p></div><p>At least in France, the current 230v household breaker norms are:</p><p>
&nbsp; - 10A for lighting circuits<br>
&nbsp; - 16A for normal outlets<br>
&nbsp; - 20A and 32A for kitchen stuff, water heaters, etc.</p><p>Which is pretty much what the current ratings on household stuff in the US are, give or take.</p><p>Personally I can't tell the difference between being hit with 110v and 230v.  They both shock the crap out of you.</p></div>
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<tokenext>if you drive a nail through a wire , it will only be carrying 15 , maybe 20A before the circuit breaker blows .
That 's opposed to the 220V at 40A...At least in France , the current 230v household breaker norms are :   - 10A for lighting circuits   - 16A for normal outlets   - 20A and 32A for kitchen stuff , water heaters , etc.Which is pretty much what the current ratings on household stuff in the US are , give or take.Personally I ca n't tell the difference between being hit with 110v and 230v .
They both shock the crap out of you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you drive a nail through a wire, it will only be carrying 15, maybe 20A before the circuit breaker blows.
That's opposed to the 220V at 40A...At least in France, the current 230v household breaker norms are:
  - 10A for lighting circuits
  - 16A for normal outlets
  - 20A and 32A for kitchen stuff, water heaters, etc.Which is pretty much what the current ratings on household stuff in the US are, give or take.Personally I can't tell the difference between being hit with 110v and 230v.
They both shock the crap out of you.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29985080</id>
	<title>Plugs are fine but extension cords suck!</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1256982240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in the US, and I am shocked (pun intended) that stores still sell 2-prong extension cords.  I understand that many devices still only use 2-prongs, but there's no disadvantage to the 3-prong cords.  It is very annoying to spend 10 minutes spelunking under furniture to the outlet, only to be thwarted by a stone-age extension cord.  Just stop making the darn things!  It isn't worth saving the $2 to buy them!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in the US , and I am shocked ( pun intended ) that stores still sell 2-prong extension cords .
I understand that many devices still only use 2-prongs , but there 's no disadvantage to the 3-prong cords .
It is very annoying to spend 10 minutes spelunking under furniture to the outlet , only to be thwarted by a stone-age extension cord .
Just stop making the darn things !
It is n't worth saving the $ 2 to buy them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in the US, and I am shocked (pun intended) that stores still sell 2-prong extension cords.
I understand that many devices still only use 2-prongs, but there's no disadvantage to the 3-prong cords.
It is very annoying to spend 10 minutes spelunking under furniture to the outlet, only to be thwarted by a stone-age extension cord.
Just stop making the darn things!
It isn't worth saving the $2 to buy them!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992200</id>
	<title>Re:Oh yeah?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257413700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I saw this was informative, and it made me laugh hard. It was meant to be funny, cause they are the same plug.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw this was informative , and it made me laugh hard .
It was meant to be funny , cause they are the same plug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw this was informative, and it made me laugh hard.
It was meant to be funny, cause they are the same plug.</sentencetext>
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-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29991438
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29992200
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29987170
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29986228
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_1844209.29989466
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