<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_04_178252</id>
	<title>Why a High IQ Doesn't Mean You're Smart</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1257355020000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.tjpowell.com/" rel="nofollow">D1gital\_Prob3</a> writes <i>"<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427321.000-clever-fools-why-a-high-iq-doesnt-mean-youre-smart.html?full=true">How can a 'smart' person act foolishly?</a> Keith Stanovich, professor of human development and applied psychology at the University of Toronto, Canada, has grappled with this apparent incongruity for 15 years. He says it applies to more people than you might think. To Stanovich, however, there is nothing incongruous about it. IQ tests are very good at measuring certain mental faculties, he says, including logic, abstract reasoning, learning ability and working-memory capacity &mdash; how much information you can hold in mind."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>D1gital \ _Prob3 writes " How can a 'smart ' person act foolishly ?
Keith Stanovich , professor of human development and applied psychology at the University of Toronto , Canada , has grappled with this apparent incongruity for 15 years .
He says it applies to more people than you might think .
To Stanovich , however , there is nothing incongruous about it .
IQ tests are very good at measuring certain mental faculties , he says , including logic , abstract reasoning , learning ability and working-memory capacity    how much information you can hold in mind .
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<sentencetext>D1gital\_Prob3 writes "How can a 'smart' person act foolishly?
Keith Stanovich, professor of human development and applied psychology at the University of Toronto, Canada, has grappled with this apparent incongruity for 15 years.
He says it applies to more people than you might think.
To Stanovich, however, there is nothing incongruous about it.
IQ tests are very good at measuring certain mental faculties, he says, including logic, abstract reasoning, learning ability and working-memory capacity — how much information you can hold in mind.
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	<title>Re:IQ is not the same as EQ</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1257017160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>EQ measure things like how much money people writing a book to make people feel smart can get from people looking for any excuse to be considered smart.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>EQ measure things like how much money people writing a book to make people feel smart can get from people looking for any excuse to be considered smart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EQ measure things like how much money people writing a book to make people feel smart can get from people looking for any excuse to be considered smart.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981084</id>
	<title>GiGo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257013680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just like computers, people are susceptible to the Garbage in, Garbage out phenomenon.  If you learn the wrong stuff, you're still smart, but you will make bad decisions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just like computers , people are susceptible to the Garbage in , Garbage out phenomenon .
If you learn the wrong stuff , you 're still smart , but you will make bad decisions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just like computers, people are susceptible to the Garbage in, Garbage out phenomenon.
If you learn the wrong stuff, you're still smart, but you will make bad decisions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29992620</id>
	<title>What was the baseline?</title>
	<author>G3ckoG33k</author>
	<datestamp>1257418620000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>"Bush's IQ score is estimated to be above 120, which suggests an intelligence in the top 10 per cent of the population."

What was the baseline? Most countries have had greatly inflated IQ values during the last 100 years. The reason is improved and more wide-spread education and not biological improvements per se.

So, if someone had his IQ tested in the 60s, it would mean that much today. The values were relevant at the time and cannot be compared across too distant time spans.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Bush 's IQ score is estimated to be above 120 , which suggests an intelligence in the top 10 per cent of the population .
" What was the baseline ?
Most countries have had greatly inflated IQ values during the last 100 years .
The reason is improved and more wide-spread education and not biological improvements per se .
So , if someone had his IQ tested in the 60s , it would mean that much today .
The values were relevant at the time and can not be compared across too distant time spans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Bush's IQ score is estimated to be above 120, which suggests an intelligence in the top 10 per cent of the population.
"

What was the baseline?
Most countries have had greatly inflated IQ values during the last 100 years.
The reason is improved and more wide-spread education and not biological improvements per se.
So, if someone had his IQ tested in the 60s, it would mean that much today.
The values were relevant at the time and cannot be compared across too distant time spans.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29998900</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257412320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... even if you don't say it out loud, people will pick up on it, and then they don't want to be around you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Hmm, you seem to be arguing against the OP's point, but in that sentence that lies at the core of your argument you're 100\% agreeing with him: for a guy in his situation, it's impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence.  It seems, from your own words, that his only chance would be to act dumb all the time in order to seem average and so reduce his friction with truly average people; isn't that exactly what he's complaining about?</p><p>Not saying you're wrong, but apparently you didn't fully get his point<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; ... even if you do n't say it out loud , people will pick up on it , and then they do n't want to be around you ...Hmm , you seem to be arguing against the OP 's point , but in that sentence that lies at the core of your argument you 're 100 \ % agreeing with him : for a guy in his situation , it 's impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence .
It seems , from your own words , that his only chance would be to act dumb all the time in order to seem average and so reduce his friction with truly average people ; is n't that exactly what he 's complaining about ? Not saying you 're wrong , but apparently you did n't fully get his point .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; ... even if you don't say it out loud, people will pick up on it, and then they don't want to be around you ...Hmm, you seem to be arguing against the OP's point, but in that sentence that lies at the core of your argument you're 100\% agreeing with him: for a guy in his situation, it's impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence.
It seems, from your own words, that his only chance would be to act dumb all the time in order to seem average and so reduce his friction with truly average people; isn't that exactly what he's complaining about?Not saying you're wrong, but apparently you didn't fully get his point ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981920</id>
	<title>What about being Clever?</title>
	<author>first\_tracks</author>
	<datestamp>1257016200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I like to think being Clever is the best real-world tool to have over Intelligence or Wisdom.  In some ways it is the product of the two.  Wisdom allows one to solve problems involving morals, emotions, culture, interpersonal relations...  Intelligence allows one to solve problems involving logic, puzzles, quandaries...  Cleverness addresses all of the above.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like to think being Clever is the best real-world tool to have over Intelligence or Wisdom .
In some ways it is the product of the two .
Wisdom allows one to solve problems involving morals , emotions , culture , interpersonal relations... Intelligence allows one to solve problems involving logic , puzzles , quandaries... Cleverness addresses all of the above .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like to think being Clever is the best real-world tool to have over Intelligence or Wisdom.
In some ways it is the product of the two.
Wisdom allows one to solve problems involving morals, emotions, culture, interpersonal relations...  Intelligence allows one to solve problems involving logic, puzzles, quandaries...  Cleverness addresses all of the above.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29990790</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257009600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Sometimes when you're smart, and things come easy to you, when you have to do something challenging it seems impossible. Not necessarily because you are incapable of the task, but because you are not used to being challenged.</p></div></blockquote><p>This is so spot on, it's not even funny.  I'm no genius, but I think I wouldn't be boasting to say I'm "above average" on the IQ scale, and I never had to work very hard in school.  I pretty much coasted, and never really had to learn how to work hard because nothing was "hard".  It's a hard lesson I've had to learn, to make myself do something I may not want to do or that may be difficult for me.  Probably one of the smartest things Einstein ever said was that success = 1 part inspiration + 99 parts perspiration.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Sometimes when you 're smart , and things come easy to you , when you have to do something challenging it seems impossible .
Not necessarily because you are incapable of the task , but because you are not used to being challenged.This is so spot on , it 's not even funny .
I 'm no genius , but I think I would n't be boasting to say I 'm " above average " on the IQ scale , and I never had to work very hard in school .
I pretty much coasted , and never really had to learn how to work hard because nothing was " hard " .
It 's a hard lesson I 've had to learn , to make myself do something I may not want to do or that may be difficult for me .
Probably one of the smartest things Einstein ever said was that success = 1 part inspiration + 99 parts perspiration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes when you're smart, and things come easy to you, when you have to do something challenging it seems impossible.
Not necessarily because you are incapable of the task, but because you are not used to being challenged.This is so spot on, it's not even funny.
I'm no genius, but I think I wouldn't be boasting to say I'm "above average" on the IQ scale, and I never had to work very hard in school.
I pretty much coasted, and never really had to learn how to work hard because nothing was "hard".
It's a hard lesson I've had to learn, to make myself do something I may not want to do or that may be difficult for me.
Probably one of the smartest things Einstein ever said was that success = 1 part inspiration + 99 parts perspiration.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983838</id>
	<title>Anyone who's worked in a software company....</title>
	<author>gestalt\_n\_pepper</author>
	<datestamp>1257021480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>has at one point been confronted with a brilliant idiot. The kind of guy who wants to spend 2 weeks to make all dialog boxes come up 1/5 of  a second faster, by coding his own dialog boxes, from scratch, which would require that everyone use his, and only his dialog boxes, and that the existing 2000 or so dialogs be converted.</p><p>Not that he couldn't code it, but... (ahem).</p><p>You know him. You've dealt with him. He is everywhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>has at one point been confronted with a brilliant idiot .
The kind of guy who wants to spend 2 weeks to make all dialog boxes come up 1/5 of a second faster , by coding his own dialog boxes , from scratch , which would require that everyone use his , and only his dialog boxes , and that the existing 2000 or so dialogs be converted.Not that he could n't code it , but... ( ahem ) .You know him .
You 've dealt with him .
He is everywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>has at one point been confronted with a brilliant idiot.
The kind of guy who wants to spend 2 weeks to make all dialog boxes come up 1/5 of  a second faster, by coding his own dialog boxes, from scratch, which would require that everyone use his, and only his dialog boxes, and that the existing 2000 or so dialogs be converted.Not that he couldn't code it, but... (ahem).You know him.
You've dealt with him.
He is everywhere.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988926</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1256997060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And your point is? It's surprisingly difficult to come up with a particular word which isn't similar or identical to some sort of inappropriate slang somewhere in the world. In fact unless you rule out all the innuendo in the English language it's not really possible at all.<br> <br>

Not all super-intelligent people speak Spanish or are familiar with Spanish slang.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And your point is ?
It 's surprisingly difficult to come up with a particular word which is n't similar or identical to some sort of inappropriate slang somewhere in the world .
In fact unless you rule out all the innuendo in the English language it 's not really possible at all .
Not all super-intelligent people speak Spanish or are familiar with Spanish slang .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And your point is?
It's surprisingly difficult to come up with a particular word which isn't similar or identical to some sort of inappropriate slang somewhere in the world.
In fact unless you rule out all the innuendo in the English language it's not really possible at all.
Not all super-intelligent people speak Spanish or are familiar with Spanish slang.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983506</id>
	<title>The difference between wisdom and intelligence</title>
	<author>rocker\_wannabe</author>
	<datestamp>1257020520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The smartest people with bad input will make bad decisions.  It's simply a matter of "garbage in, garbage out".  The real issue is not how smart people are but where do they get their information about how the world REALLY works.  This is mostly about how people REALLY work.  This is Slashdot so I know I'll get hammered because of my worldview but I'm feeling feisty today.</p><p>I believe the Christian bible tells us how people work with and without God's wisdom in them.  The financial crisis is a perfect example of how smart people with a worldview different from God's can make such incredible errors.  If you believe that most intelligent people are capable of "enlightened self-interest" then you would probably not see the crisis coming.  The bible says that if you are not content with what you have then you will NEVER be content no matter how much money you have. "Unbridled Greed" is redundant.  The only greed that exists is the unbridled kind.</p><p>America, despite the number of people that profess to be Christians, is considered to be a post-Christian country by many Christian denominations because it has become a title without an underlying belief system that matches scripture to a high degree.  Because of this many people have switched to a worldview that ignores the selfish, self-centered nature of man that we are all born into.  This means that they fail to understand that the system of laws and regulations in this country that mostly worked in the past, because more people "did the right thing", don't work anymore because people can always find a way around the laws if they don't want to do the right thing.</p><p>Be prepared for more smart people doing foolish things as this country heads for "every man for himself".  Us Anglo-Saxons like order too much to go completely feral but I do expect things to get worse before they get better because people still think that the government can fix this country.  The Republican party let things get bad and the Democratic party will let things get worse so hopefully most people will be disabused of the idea that government cares about people that can't pay for the legislation they want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The smartest people with bad input will make bad decisions .
It 's simply a matter of " garbage in , garbage out " .
The real issue is not how smart people are but where do they get their information about how the world REALLY works .
This is mostly about how people REALLY work .
This is Slashdot so I know I 'll get hammered because of my worldview but I 'm feeling feisty today.I believe the Christian bible tells us how people work with and without God 's wisdom in them .
The financial crisis is a perfect example of how smart people with a worldview different from God 's can make such incredible errors .
If you believe that most intelligent people are capable of " enlightened self-interest " then you would probably not see the crisis coming .
The bible says that if you are not content with what you have then you will NEVER be content no matter how much money you have .
" Unbridled Greed " is redundant .
The only greed that exists is the unbridled kind.America , despite the number of people that profess to be Christians , is considered to be a post-Christian country by many Christian denominations because it has become a title without an underlying belief system that matches scripture to a high degree .
Because of this many people have switched to a worldview that ignores the selfish , self-centered nature of man that we are all born into .
This means that they fail to understand that the system of laws and regulations in this country that mostly worked in the past , because more people " did the right thing " , do n't work anymore because people can always find a way around the laws if they do n't want to do the right thing.Be prepared for more smart people doing foolish things as this country heads for " every man for himself " .
Us Anglo-Saxons like order too much to go completely feral but I do expect things to get worse before they get better because people still think that the government can fix this country .
The Republican party let things get bad and the Democratic party will let things get worse so hopefully most people will be disabused of the idea that government cares about people that ca n't pay for the legislation they want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The smartest people with bad input will make bad decisions.
It's simply a matter of "garbage in, garbage out".
The real issue is not how smart people are but where do they get their information about how the world REALLY works.
This is mostly about how people REALLY work.
This is Slashdot so I know I'll get hammered because of my worldview but I'm feeling feisty today.I believe the Christian bible tells us how people work with and without God's wisdom in them.
The financial crisis is a perfect example of how smart people with a worldview different from God's can make such incredible errors.
If you believe that most intelligent people are capable of "enlightened self-interest" then you would probably not see the crisis coming.
The bible says that if you are not content with what you have then you will NEVER be content no matter how much money you have.
"Unbridled Greed" is redundant.
The only greed that exists is the unbridled kind.America, despite the number of people that profess to be Christians, is considered to be a post-Christian country by many Christian denominations because it has become a title without an underlying belief system that matches scripture to a high degree.
Because of this many people have switched to a worldview that ignores the selfish, self-centered nature of man that we are all born into.
This means that they fail to understand that the system of laws and regulations in this country that mostly worked in the past, because more people "did the right thing", don't work anymore because people can always find a way around the laws if they don't want to do the right thing.Be prepared for more smart people doing foolish things as this country heads for "every man for himself".
Us Anglo-Saxons like order too much to go completely feral but I do expect things to get worse before they get better because people still think that the government can fix this country.
The Republican party let things get bad and the Democratic party will let things get worse so hopefully most people will be disabused of the idea that government cares about people that can't pay for the legislation they want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984342</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Atrox666</author>
	<datestamp>1256979840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Er..um. Actually intelligence has nothing to do with how much you know at all. That's memory not intelligence. Most questions on the mensa test have all the information required to solve the problem in the actual question. This also reduces the cultural bias issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Er..um .
Actually intelligence has nothing to do with how much you know at all .
That 's memory not intelligence .
Most questions on the mensa test have all the information required to solve the problem in the actual question .
This also reduces the cultural bias issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Er..um.
Actually intelligence has nothing to do with how much you know at all.
That's memory not intelligence.
Most questions on the mensa test have all the information required to solve the problem in the actual question.
This also reduces the cultural bias issues.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29990820</id>
	<title>Bobby Fischer was proof</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257009960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Chess legend Bobby Fischer was pretty much proof that just because you have a high IQ, it doesn't mean you're intelligent, well-spoken, or otherwise a decent human being.  If he didn't have a chess board under his nose 24 hours a day, I'm pretty sure he would have headed his local Ku Klux Klan chapter along with other shit-mouthed racists.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chess legend Bobby Fischer was pretty much proof that just because you have a high IQ , it does n't mean you 're intelligent , well-spoken , or otherwise a decent human being .
If he did n't have a chess board under his nose 24 hours a day , I 'm pretty sure he would have headed his local Ku Klux Klan chapter along with other shit-mouthed racists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chess legend Bobby Fischer was pretty much proof that just because you have a high IQ, it doesn't mean you're intelligent, well-spoken, or otherwise a decent human being.
If he didn't have a chess board under his nose 24 hours a day, I'm pretty sure he would have headed his local Ku Klux Klan chapter along with other shit-mouthed racists.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981538</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1257015120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"To me, going to the health club, you see all these people and they're working out, and they're training and they're getting in shape but the<br>strange thing is nobody is really getting in shape for anything. The only reason that you're getting in shape is that so you can get through the<br>workout. So we're working out, so that we'll be in shape, for when we have to do our exercise. This is the whole thing." - Seinfeld</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" To me , going to the health club , you see all these people and they 're working out , and they 're training and they 're getting in shape but thestrange thing is nobody is really getting in shape for anything .
The only reason that you 're getting in shape is that so you can get through theworkout .
So we 're working out , so that we 'll be in shape , for when we have to do our exercise .
This is the whole thing .
" - Seinfeld</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"To me, going to the health club, you see all these people and they're working out, and they're training and they're getting in shape but thestrange thing is nobody is really getting in shape for anything.
The only reason that you're getting in shape is that so you can get through theworkout.
So we're working out, so that we'll be in shape, for when we have to do our exercise.
This is the whole thing.
" - Seinfeld</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29986478</id>
	<title>Re:Openess to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>pyrr</author>
	<datestamp>1256986500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Eh, it depends. Sometimes intelligence or knowledge works like money, in that they contribute to that goal known as "success". It's a challenge to have friends that are far outside of one's socioeconomic status. These things can be life-defining whether you like it or not. It can be rather awkward if there's a substantial disparity between would-be friends' status, wealth, intelligence, or other measures of success.

</p><p>I don't know what my IQ is. My parents do because they took me in to take the tests when I was pretty young, but I don't ask them because I'm not sure I care to know. I don't want to be defined in such a manner because I don't see it doing me much good. What am I going to do, list my IQ on a resume? I'm really sure that would land me an interview for my dream job. Tell a prospective date that I'm a Mensa member? Yeah, sure, and look like a fucking tool in the process. I haven't yet heard a sales pitch for flaunting a high IQ score or joining Mensa that makes it seem like a good idea. At best, taking a test might tell me something I already have a pretty good inkling about, at worst I'd probably just ignore it and rationalize it away.

</p><p>And regardless of the outcome, I probably wouldn't change. I'm a slacker. I have a poor work &amp; study ethic, I always have and don't feel like changing. I usually exercise my intellect and devise smart solutions because it saves me from having to actually work. I mean, look at me now, I'm at work, hardly working and posting on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/., doesn't that just say it all?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eh , it depends .
Sometimes intelligence or knowledge works like money , in that they contribute to that goal known as " success " .
It 's a challenge to have friends that are far outside of one 's socioeconomic status .
These things can be life-defining whether you like it or not .
It can be rather awkward if there 's a substantial disparity between would-be friends ' status , wealth , intelligence , or other measures of success .
I do n't know what my IQ is .
My parents do because they took me in to take the tests when I was pretty young , but I do n't ask them because I 'm not sure I care to know .
I do n't want to be defined in such a manner because I do n't see it doing me much good .
What am I going to do , list my IQ on a resume ?
I 'm really sure that would land me an interview for my dream job .
Tell a prospective date that I 'm a Mensa member ?
Yeah , sure , and look like a fucking tool in the process .
I have n't yet heard a sales pitch for flaunting a high IQ score or joining Mensa that makes it seem like a good idea .
At best , taking a test might tell me something I already have a pretty good inkling about , at worst I 'd probably just ignore it and rationalize it away .
And regardless of the outcome , I probably would n't change .
I 'm a slacker .
I have a poor work &amp; study ethic , I always have and do n't feel like changing .
I usually exercise my intellect and devise smart solutions because it saves me from having to actually work .
I mean , look at me now , I 'm at work , hardly working and posting on /. , does n't that just say it all ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eh, it depends.
Sometimes intelligence or knowledge works like money, in that they contribute to that goal known as "success".
It's a challenge to have friends that are far outside of one's socioeconomic status.
These things can be life-defining whether you like it or not.
It can be rather awkward if there's a substantial disparity between would-be friends' status, wealth, intelligence, or other measures of success.
I don't know what my IQ is.
My parents do because they took me in to take the tests when I was pretty young, but I don't ask them because I'm not sure I care to know.
I don't want to be defined in such a manner because I don't see it doing me much good.
What am I going to do, list my IQ on a resume?
I'm really sure that would land me an interview for my dream job.
Tell a prospective date that I'm a Mensa member?
Yeah, sure, and look like a fucking tool in the process.
I haven't yet heard a sales pitch for flaunting a high IQ score or joining Mensa that makes it seem like a good idea.
At best, taking a test might tell me something I already have a pretty good inkling about, at worst I'd probably just ignore it and rationalize it away.
And regardless of the outcome, I probably wouldn't change.
I'm a slacker.
I have a poor work &amp; study ethic, I always have and don't feel like changing.
I usually exercise my intellect and devise smart solutions because it saves me from having to actually work.
I mean, look at me now, I'm at work, hardly working and posting on /., doesn't that just say it all?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29986056</id>
	<title>Re:One of my favorite quotes...</title>
	<author>sycodon</author>
	<datestamp>1256985060000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Exactly.</p><p>Truly smart people can, as required, attain knowledge or a skill that enables them to achieve a goal.</p><p>Example: The use of a "cat's eye" lens in a Coronagraph was pioneered by a team that included a physicist who had no training in optics. He decided to take home some text books and read up on it. He obtained knowledge of how the cat's eye lens optics works and suggested it as a way to block out the light of a star to better see orbiting planets. Something the optical guys on the team never thought of.</p><p>(From an old Discover magazine)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly.Truly smart people can , as required , attain knowledge or a skill that enables them to achieve a goal.Example : The use of a " cat 's eye " lens in a Coronagraph was pioneered by a team that included a physicist who had no training in optics .
He decided to take home some text books and read up on it .
He obtained knowledge of how the cat 's eye lens optics works and suggested it as a way to block out the light of a star to better see orbiting planets .
Something the optical guys on the team never thought of .
( From an old Discover magazine )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.Truly smart people can, as required, attain knowledge or a skill that enables them to achieve a goal.Example: The use of a "cat's eye" lens in a Coronagraph was pioneered by a team that included a physicist who had no training in optics.
He decided to take home some text books and read up on it.
He obtained knowledge of how the cat's eye lens optics works and suggested it as a way to block out the light of a star to better see orbiting planets.
Something the optical guys on the team never thought of.
(From an old Discover magazine)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981198</id>
	<title>Sigh...editors.</title>
	<author>fahrbot-bot</author>
	<datestamp>1257014100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why a High IQ Doesn't Mean You're Smart?</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
They're still smart, but even smart people can do dumb things.  That's why it's important to be clear with phrases like "You are dumb" and "That was dumb."  (I have finger puppets if the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. editors are confused about this...)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why a High IQ Does n't Mean You 're Smart ?
They 're still smart , but even smart people can do dumb things .
That 's why it 's important to be clear with phrases like " You are dumb " and " That was dumb .
" ( I have finger puppets if the / .
editors are confused about this... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why a High IQ Doesn't Mean You're Smart?
They're still smart, but even smart people can do dumb things.
That's why it's important to be clear with phrases like "You are dumb" and "That was dumb.
"  (I have finger puppets if the /.
editors are confused about this...)
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982926</id>
	<title>Re:It reminds me of the old saying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257018960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"common sense" isn't always right. In fact, "common sense" often falls along what seems most plausible while very often being completely wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" common sense " is n't always right .
In fact , " common sense " often falls along what seems most plausible while very often being completely wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"common sense" isn't always right.
In fact, "common sense" often falls along what seems most plausible while very often being completely wrong.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988802</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>rhinokitty</author>
	<datestamp>1256996460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And I am a member of <em>Pensa</em>, with a PQ of 11.5!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>And I am a member of Pensa , with a PQ of 11.5 !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I am a member of Pensa, with a PQ of 11.5!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984366</id>
	<title>Covered in a Gilligan Island's Episode</title>
	<author>pfbram</author>
	<datestamp>1256979900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>There was an episode in the second or third season in which a big-game hunter lands on the island and decides he wants to hunt humans instead.  So he discretely interviews each of the castaways to determine which would present the greatest challenge for him.  When he interviews the Professor (Jungian archetype for intelligence) he concludes that he'd have the professor bagged &amp; mounted before the professor could figure out his next move.

The implication here is that there's an aspect of intelligence which suggests so-called intentionality, intelligence may be directed "toward" something, some problem, function, etc.  Some problems are extremely complex and need some deliberation.  Others are challenging in a different way, and need a snap/real-world decisions or cunning.  Could be a language limitation also.  We tend to confuse cleverness, wisdom, cunning, reptilian intelligence, memory, success, business or strategic/military knowledge, and learning ability all as "intelligence".  I can't think of a single test which would gauge all of that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There was an episode in the second or third season in which a big-game hunter lands on the island and decides he wants to hunt humans instead .
So he discretely interviews each of the castaways to determine which would present the greatest challenge for him .
When he interviews the Professor ( Jungian archetype for intelligence ) he concludes that he 'd have the professor bagged &amp; mounted before the professor could figure out his next move .
The implication here is that there 's an aspect of intelligence which suggests so-called intentionality , intelligence may be directed " toward " something , some problem , function , etc .
Some problems are extremely complex and need some deliberation .
Others are challenging in a different way , and need a snap/real-world decisions or cunning .
Could be a language limitation also .
We tend to confuse cleverness , wisdom , cunning , reptilian intelligence , memory , success , business or strategic/military knowledge , and learning ability all as " intelligence " .
I ca n't think of a single test which would gauge all of that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was an episode in the second or third season in which a big-game hunter lands on the island and decides he wants to hunt humans instead.
So he discretely interviews each of the castaways to determine which would present the greatest challenge for him.
When he interviews the Professor (Jungian archetype for intelligence) he concludes that he'd have the professor bagged &amp; mounted before the professor could figure out his next move.
The implication here is that there's an aspect of intelligence which suggests so-called intentionality, intelligence may be directed "toward" something, some problem, function, etc.
Some problems are extremely complex and need some deliberation.
Others are challenging in a different way, and need a snap/real-world decisions or cunning.
Could be a language limitation also.
We tend to confuse cleverness, wisdom, cunning, reptilian intelligence, memory, success, business or strategic/military knowledge, and learning ability all as "intelligence".
I can't think of a single test which would gauge all of that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29997456</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257449460000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I never understood that. How does a high IQ and being intellectual in general prevent you from enjoying watching half naked women dance? Or playing music with people who probably have not solved an equasion since 10th grade? I think a lot of times it's actually "intellectual" people who limit themselves to a narrow range of activities/topics that they enjoy and it's not the "other people are too simple and boring to talk to". </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never understood that .
How does a high IQ and being intellectual in general prevent you from enjoying watching half naked women dance ?
Or playing music with people who probably have not solved an equasion since 10th grade ?
I think a lot of times it 's actually " intellectual " people who limit themselves to a narrow range of activities/topics that they enjoy and it 's not the " other people are too simple and boring to talk to " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never understood that.
How does a high IQ and being intellectual in general prevent you from enjoying watching half naked women dance?
Or playing music with people who probably have not solved an equasion since 10th grade?
I think a lot of times it's actually "intellectual" people who limit themselves to a narrow range of activities/topics that they enjoy and it's not the "other people are too simple and boring to talk to". </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29991480</id>
	<title>You don't know any poor ...</title>
	<author>Katchu</author>
	<datestamp>1257015840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I've worked alongside of some very poor folks. Some of these work very, very hard at low-end construction jobs, farm labor, and other physically exhaustive work. I'd say they don't work smart and most of them aren't intelligent. But never call them lazy. They don't have the money to spend irresponsibly, but yes, they often make poor choices. They aren't smart. They aren't communists (you fat capitalist pig), they make up a large percentage of our armed forces, dying for you, f*cker. They hate you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've worked alongside of some very poor folks .
Some of these work very , very hard at low-end construction jobs , farm labor , and other physically exhaustive work .
I 'd say they do n't work smart and most of them are n't intelligent .
But never call them lazy .
They do n't have the money to spend irresponsibly , but yes , they often make poor choices .
They are n't smart .
They are n't communists ( you fat capitalist pig ) , they make up a large percentage of our armed forces , dying for you , f * cker .
They hate you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've worked alongside of some very poor folks.
Some of these work very, very hard at low-end construction jobs, farm labor, and other physically exhaustive work.
I'd say they don't work smart and most of them aren't intelligent.
But never call them lazy.
They don't have the money to spend irresponsibly, but yes, they often make poor choices.
They aren't smart.
They aren't communists (you fat capitalist pig), they make up a large percentage of our armed forces, dying for you, f*cker.
They hate you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982512</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>SydShamino</author>
	<datestamp>1257017820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This guy's problem, in my not-so-humble opinion, was that he was letting his score on an IQ test define himself and his potential friends. As long as people who score well on IQ tests go around wearing it like a badge and looking down on everybody else, they are going to be outcasts, because even if you don't say it out loud, people will pick up on it, and then they don't want to be around you. Nobody wants to hang out with the guy who's always subtly reminding everybody of how smart he is.</p></div><p>Funny, I learned this in ninth grade when, after moving to a new school district, I realized that I'd fit in better if the rest of the honors kids didn't realize I was always the one setting the curve.</p><p>I started taking my homework, tests, etc., straight from the teacher's hand into my bag, so it wasn't ever visible or shared.  The technique served me well through college.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This guy 's problem , in my not-so-humble opinion , was that he was letting his score on an IQ test define himself and his potential friends .
As long as people who score well on IQ tests go around wearing it like a badge and looking down on everybody else , they are going to be outcasts , because even if you do n't say it out loud , people will pick up on it , and then they do n't want to be around you .
Nobody wants to hang out with the guy who 's always subtly reminding everybody of how smart he is.Funny , I learned this in ninth grade when , after moving to a new school district , I realized that I 'd fit in better if the rest of the honors kids did n't realize I was always the one setting the curve.I started taking my homework , tests , etc. , straight from the teacher 's hand into my bag , so it was n't ever visible or shared .
The technique served me well through college .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This guy's problem, in my not-so-humble opinion, was that he was letting his score on an IQ test define himself and his potential friends.
As long as people who score well on IQ tests go around wearing it like a badge and looking down on everybody else, they are going to be outcasts, because even if you don't say it out loud, people will pick up on it, and then they don't want to be around you.
Nobody wants to hang out with the guy who's always subtly reminding everybody of how smart he is.Funny, I learned this in ninth grade when, after moving to a new school district, I realized that I'd fit in better if the rest of the honors kids didn't realize I was always the one setting the curve.I started taking my homework, tests, etc., straight from the teacher's hand into my bag, so it wasn't ever visible or shared.
The technique served me well through college.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982490</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257017700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>relax, it was funny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>relax , it was funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>relax, it was funny.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983126</id>
	<title>Oh come on!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Bush obviously took the special presidential IQ test.  He probably took it twice!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bush obviously took the special presidential IQ test .
He probably took it twice !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bush obviously took the special presidential IQ test.
He probably took it twice!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982354</id>
	<title>Re:Apples &amp; Oranges</title>
	<author>interploy</author>
	<datestamp>1257017460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Very true. It's unfortunate this guy had to spend 15 years learning that smart != intelligent. His wisdom score is definitely low.</p><p>There are three basic components of intelligence:</p><p>1. IQ - Or more aptly, learning capacity, which is what most people think of when they think of intelligence (like our dear professor) but is really just a measure of how much information the brains can process and retain.</p><p>2. Common sense - ie. street smarts, which is the ability to perceive and react (and survive) in response to things in day to day life.</p><p>3. Wisdom - The ability and capacity for the brain to process complex abstract thoughts.</p><p>Everyone has some blend of these three things, but for most people, one of these aspects is sacrificed for the other two. In any case, it's an unfair assessment of a person's intelligence to only go by one of these three aspects.  Everyone knows an 'absent minded professor' and everyone knows a 'modern-day sage', but i doubt any of us would consider either stupid though they each lack the talent of the other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Very true .
It 's unfortunate this guy had to spend 15 years learning that smart ! = intelligent .
His wisdom score is definitely low.There are three basic components of intelligence : 1 .
IQ - Or more aptly , learning capacity , which is what most people think of when they think of intelligence ( like our dear professor ) but is really just a measure of how much information the brains can process and retain.2 .
Common sense - ie .
street smarts , which is the ability to perceive and react ( and survive ) in response to things in day to day life.3 .
Wisdom - The ability and capacity for the brain to process complex abstract thoughts.Everyone has some blend of these three things , but for most people , one of these aspects is sacrificed for the other two .
In any case , it 's an unfair assessment of a person 's intelligence to only go by one of these three aspects .
Everyone knows an 'absent minded professor ' and everyone knows a 'modern-day sage ' , but i doubt any of us would consider either stupid though they each lack the talent of the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very true.
It's unfortunate this guy had to spend 15 years learning that smart != intelligent.
His wisdom score is definitely low.There are three basic components of intelligence:1.
IQ - Or more aptly, learning capacity, which is what most people think of when they think of intelligence (like our dear professor) but is really just a measure of how much information the brains can process and retain.2.
Common sense - ie.
street smarts, which is the ability to perceive and react (and survive) in response to things in day to day life.3.
Wisdom - The ability and capacity for the brain to process complex abstract thoughts.Everyone has some blend of these three things, but for most people, one of these aspects is sacrificed for the other two.
In any case, it's an unfair assessment of a person's intelligence to only go by one of these three aspects.
Everyone knows an 'absent minded professor' and everyone knows a 'modern-day sage', but i doubt any of us would consider either stupid though they each lack the talent of the other.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988576</id>
	<title>this whole thread including replies are...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256995380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>captain obvious gone rampant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>captain obvious gone rampant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>captain obvious gone rampant.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988244</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Time\_Warped</author>
	<datestamp>1256993760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a borderline Genius IQ, I can also not remember people's names worth a darn. I am great at logic puzzles and that sort of thing, but introduce me to someone at a party and a week later I will remember meeting them, I will remember what profession they are in, I will remember most of the conversation. But remember their name? Unlikely at best.

One of my ex-roommates at college took graduate level math his freshman year, and remedial English, I used to kid him that his IQ
was 39+400i very high but mostly imaginary. He was a "complex" individual<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a borderline Genius IQ , I can also not remember people 's names worth a darn .
I am great at logic puzzles and that sort of thing , but introduce me to someone at a party and a week later I will remember meeting them , I will remember what profession they are in , I will remember most of the conversation .
But remember their name ?
Unlikely at best .
One of my ex-roommates at college took graduate level math his freshman year , and remedial English , I used to kid him that his IQ was 39 + 400i very high but mostly imaginary .
He was a " complex " individual ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a borderline Genius IQ, I can also not remember people's names worth a darn.
I am great at logic puzzles and that sort of thing, but introduce me to someone at a party and a week later I will remember meeting them, I will remember what profession they are in, I will remember most of the conversation.
But remember their name?
Unlikely at best.
One of my ex-roommates at college took graduate level math his freshman year, and remedial English, I used to kid him that his IQ
was 39+400i very high but mostly imaginary.
He was a "complex" individual ;-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981964</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257016380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>There was a new test developed to compensate for the short comings of the standard IQ test.</p><p>It is talked about here:<br>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSduUrpr62c</p><p>-McR</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was a new test developed to compensate for the short comings of the standard IQ test.It is talked about here : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = oSduUrpr62c-McR</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was a new test developed to compensate for the short comings of the standard IQ test.It is talked about here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSduUrpr62c-McR</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984670</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>jwhitener</author>
	<datestamp>1256980920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Openness is an attribute that can help you to learn more objectively, and often get a truer picture of whatever you are looking at.</p><p>But I think the key driver, long term, is work ethic.  I've seen many ultra bright people slowly dull over time, as their work ethic isn't keeping their mind stimulated, and continuing to feed it a diverse set of challenges.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Openness is an attribute that can help you to learn more objectively , and often get a truer picture of whatever you are looking at.But I think the key driver , long term , is work ethic .
I 've seen many ultra bright people slowly dull over time , as their work ethic is n't keeping their mind stimulated , and continuing to feed it a diverse set of challenges .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Openness is an attribute that can help you to learn more objectively, and often get a truer picture of whatever you are looking at.But I think the key driver, long term, is work ethic.
I've seen many ultra bright people slowly dull over time, as their work ethic isn't keeping their mind stimulated, and continuing to feed it a diverse set of challenges.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988230</id>
	<title>Re:It's true</title>
	<author>Have Brain Will Rent</author>
	<datestamp>1256993700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe he has more important things to think about?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe he has more important things to think about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe he has more important things to think about?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Damn right!</p><p>I joined Mensa over 40 year ago when I was 16 and left a year or two later.</p><p>Some of the most stupid people I've ever encountered were members of Mensa.</p><p>All IQ tests measure is the ability to do IQ tests.</p><p>Or, more precisely, all a particular IQ test measures is the ability to do THAT IQ test on THAT day.</p><p>Why are we still bothering?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn right ! I joined Mensa over 40 year ago when I was 16 and left a year or two later.Some of the most stupid people I 've ever encountered were members of Mensa.All IQ tests measure is the ability to do IQ tests.Or , more precisely , all a particular IQ test measures is the ability to do THAT IQ test on THAT day.Why are we still bothering ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn right!I joined Mensa over 40 year ago when I was 16 and left a year or two later.Some of the most stupid people I've ever encountered were members of Mensa.All IQ tests measure is the ability to do IQ tests.Or, more precisely, all a particular IQ test measures is the ability to do THAT IQ test on THAT day.Why are we still bothering?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29986556</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>DwySteve</author>
	<datestamp>1256986800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look I know it's 'cool' to take dumps on pop culture here on Slashdot, but if you can't respect the talent and practice it takes to dance and can't appreciate the beauty involved then you are lacking an appreciation for some of the greater things in life.<br> <br>
Is Dancing With the Stars the best dancing you'll ever see?  Probably not (though if you treat other dancing competitions with the same respect as Dancing With the Stars then it might be).  Is it a gimmick?  Yeah.  At the end of the equation is there something worthwhile AND entertaining going on?  I would say so.  TV could actually do much, much worse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look I know it 's 'cool ' to take dumps on pop culture here on Slashdot , but if you ca n't respect the talent and practice it takes to dance and ca n't appreciate the beauty involved then you are lacking an appreciation for some of the greater things in life .
Is Dancing With the Stars the best dancing you 'll ever see ?
Probably not ( though if you treat other dancing competitions with the same respect as Dancing With the Stars then it might be ) .
Is it a gimmick ?
Yeah. At the end of the equation is there something worthwhile AND entertaining going on ?
I would say so .
TV could actually do much , much worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look I know it's 'cool' to take dumps on pop culture here on Slashdot, but if you can't respect the talent and practice it takes to dance and can't appreciate the beauty involved then you are lacking an appreciation for some of the greater things in life.
Is Dancing With the Stars the best dancing you'll ever see?
Probably not (though if you treat other dancing competitions with the same respect as Dancing With the Stars then it might be).
Is it a gimmick?
Yeah.  At the end of the equation is there something worthwhile AND entertaining going on?
I would say so.
TV could actually do much, much worse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29993996</id>
	<title>IQ--Success correllation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257432060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm majoring in psychology. In lower terms one is often subjected to participate in experiments and tests developed by more advanced students - thus getting much information about the extent of one's capabilities in a wide variety of situations (among them classical intelligence related tasks) in relation to the other students. Compared to my fellow students I score above average in classical IQ related tasks and I'm easily within the 95th percentile in a few more exotic tests (like the ones that measure the quality of intelligence application (see article)). The subject of study, being pretty exclusive where I come from (Germany), results in a pretty tight pre-selection of the interested pupils towards their intellectual abilities, so overall I seem to be not dumb.</p><p>On the other hand, I have an ADD. ADD is a perfect example of why IQ-testing (or here every salient testing in general) fails pretty hard for certain sub-populations and why the predictive power of those instruments on a general scale is not breath taking. The attention deficit is just one symptom of an underlying state of mind that's characterized by a very strong affective dominance (resulting in impulsivity; motivational problems if not interesting or annoying, etc.); living very much for the moment (possible future negative consequences are not recognized; past negative consequences are not memoried; long term memory is generally bad 'cause you dont't need it -now-; short term memory is selective because only that what one's doing at the very moment is important, the rest is is trashed); inability to determine what's important because -everything- is important (distractability, baby!), general dislike of intellectual activity, as long as it is not extremely interesting or in some way related to oneself not matter how high one's intelligence is; daydreaming; and other things that don't directly impair your brain power but makes you a constant nominee for the Darwin Arward (clumsyness, sensation seeking).<br>That pretty much nuclear-detonates every intention to use one's head unless very much necessary, irrespective of your true mental abilities.</p><p>The funny thing now is, that intelligence tests (or tests in general) are interesting enough for many people with an ADD to start using their head. -IF- thats happening, concentration exceeds the populational mean by far (hyper focus). Then they result with an IQ above of 150 and everybody will say that they -knew- that that person had it in him.<br>And on the next occassion that said person fails all his exams because he only learned what deemed interesting, arrived two hours late because timekeeping was wiped off his brain by that -really- hot chick over there and accidentally lit his pants on fire during the exam.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm majoring in psychology .
In lower terms one is often subjected to participate in experiments and tests developed by more advanced students - thus getting much information about the extent of one 's capabilities in a wide variety of situations ( among them classical intelligence related tasks ) in relation to the other students .
Compared to my fellow students I score above average in classical IQ related tasks and I 'm easily within the 95th percentile in a few more exotic tests ( like the ones that measure the quality of intelligence application ( see article ) ) .
The subject of study , being pretty exclusive where I come from ( Germany ) , results in a pretty tight pre-selection of the interested pupils towards their intellectual abilities , so overall I seem to be not dumb.On the other hand , I have an ADD .
ADD is a perfect example of why IQ-testing ( or here every salient testing in general ) fails pretty hard for certain sub-populations and why the predictive power of those instruments on a general scale is not breath taking .
The attention deficit is just one symptom of an underlying state of mind that 's characterized by a very strong affective dominance ( resulting in impulsivity ; motivational problems if not interesting or annoying , etc .
) ; living very much for the moment ( possible future negative consequences are not recognized ; past negative consequences are not memoried ; long term memory is generally bad 'cause you dont't need it -now- ; short term memory is selective because only that what one 's doing at the very moment is important , the rest is is trashed ) ; inability to determine what 's important because -everything- is important ( distractability , baby !
) , general dislike of intellectual activity , as long as it is not extremely interesting or in some way related to oneself not matter how high one 's intelligence is ; daydreaming ; and other things that do n't directly impair your brain power but makes you a constant nominee for the Darwin Arward ( clumsyness , sensation seeking ) .That pretty much nuclear-detonates every intention to use one 's head unless very much necessary , irrespective of your true mental abilities.The funny thing now is , that intelligence tests ( or tests in general ) are interesting enough for many people with an ADD to start using their head .
-IF- thats happening , concentration exceeds the populational mean by far ( hyper focus ) .
Then they result with an IQ above of 150 and everybody will say that they -knew- that that person had it in him.And on the next occassion that said person fails all his exams because he only learned what deemed interesting , arrived two hours late because timekeeping was wiped off his brain by that -really- hot chick over there and accidentally lit his pants on fire during the exam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm majoring in psychology.
In lower terms one is often subjected to participate in experiments and tests developed by more advanced students - thus getting much information about the extent of one's capabilities in a wide variety of situations (among them classical intelligence related tasks) in relation to the other students.
Compared to my fellow students I score above average in classical IQ related tasks and I'm easily within the 95th percentile in a few more exotic tests (like the ones that measure the quality of intelligence application (see article)).
The subject of study, being pretty exclusive where I come from (Germany), results in a pretty tight pre-selection of the interested pupils towards their intellectual abilities, so overall I seem to be not dumb.On the other hand, I have an ADD.
ADD is a perfect example of why IQ-testing (or here every salient testing in general) fails pretty hard for certain sub-populations and why the predictive power of those instruments on a general scale is not breath taking.
The attention deficit is just one symptom of an underlying state of mind that's characterized by a very strong affective dominance (resulting in impulsivity; motivational problems if not interesting or annoying, etc.
); living very much for the moment (possible future negative consequences are not recognized; past negative consequences are not memoried; long term memory is generally bad 'cause you dont't need it -now-; short term memory is selective because only that what one's doing at the very moment is important, the rest is is trashed); inability to determine what's important because -everything- is important (distractability, baby!
), general dislike of intellectual activity, as long as it is not extremely interesting or in some way related to oneself not matter how high one's intelligence is; daydreaming; and other things that don't directly impair your brain power but makes you a constant nominee for the Darwin Arward (clumsyness, sensation seeking).That pretty much nuclear-detonates every intention to use one's head unless very much necessary, irrespective of your true mental abilities.The funny thing now is, that intelligence tests (or tests in general) are interesting enough for many people with an ADD to start using their head.
-IF- thats happening, concentration exceeds the populational mean by far (hyper focus).
Then they result with an IQ above of 150 and everybody will say that they -knew- that that person had it in him.And on the next occassion that said person fails all his exams because he only learned what deemed interesting, arrived two hours late because timekeeping was wiped off his brain by that -really- hot chick over there and accidentally lit his pants on fire during the exam.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.30002794</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>that IT girl</author>
	<datestamp>1257437820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your post pretty much took the words out of my mouth... you sound a lot like me. I don't have many close friends, and it's not because I walk around with my nose in the air thinking I'm better than people. It's just that when you start talking/interacting with people, you find that the common ground is hard to establish. I don't understand a lot of people--especially other women (the fascination with TV, clothes, shoes, and the rarity of another true geeky girl makes it hard) and I don't have anything to discuss with them. We speak different languages, almost. That's why I was so happy to find my fianc&#233;--we <em>are</em> on the same 'wavelength' most of the time and he's easy for me to talk to. Where I often have trouble interacting with people, he was so natural to speak with and hang out with because we think similarly and are on the same level, so to speak. But most folks aren't like that, and so he's one of the very few people I am close to.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your post pretty much took the words out of my mouth... you sound a lot like me .
I do n't have many close friends , and it 's not because I walk around with my nose in the air thinking I 'm better than people .
It 's just that when you start talking/interacting with people , you find that the common ground is hard to establish .
I do n't understand a lot of people--especially other women ( the fascination with TV , clothes , shoes , and the rarity of another true geeky girl makes it hard ) and I do n't have anything to discuss with them .
We speak different languages , almost .
That 's why I was so happy to find my fianc   --we are on the same 'wavelength ' most of the time and he 's easy for me to talk to .
Where I often have trouble interacting with people , he was so natural to speak with and hang out with because we think similarly and are on the same level , so to speak .
But most folks are n't like that , and so he 's one of the very few people I am close to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your post pretty much took the words out of my mouth... you sound a lot like me.
I don't have many close friends, and it's not because I walk around with my nose in the air thinking I'm better than people.
It's just that when you start talking/interacting with people, you find that the common ground is hard to establish.
I don't understand a lot of people--especially other women (the fascination with TV, clothes, shoes, and the rarity of another true geeky girl makes it hard) and I don't have anything to discuss with them.
We speak different languages, almost.
That's why I was so happy to find my fiancé--we are on the same 'wavelength' most of the time and he's easy for me to talk to.
Where I often have trouble interacting with people, he was so natural to speak with and hang out with because we think similarly and are on the same level, so to speak.
But most folks aren't like that, and so he's one of the very few people I am close to.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29989282</id>
	<title>Correction: Smart vs Wise</title>
	<author>Evil Pete</author>
	<datestamp>1256999040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article headline is completely wrong. Read the article. It is about how although we may have the capacity to analyse things properly, we may fail to do so because of bias, unwillingness etc. Being smart does not make you wise. It isn't even controversial. But the researchers talk about expanding the definition of intelligence or adding extra tests to measure this capacity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article headline is completely wrong .
Read the article .
It is about how although we may have the capacity to analyse things properly , we may fail to do so because of bias , unwillingness etc .
Being smart does not make you wise .
It is n't even controversial .
But the researchers talk about expanding the definition of intelligence or adding extra tests to measure this capacity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article headline is completely wrong.
Read the article.
It is about how although we may have the capacity to analyse things properly, we may fail to do so because of bias, unwillingness etc.
Being smart does not make you wise.
It isn't even controversial.
But the researchers talk about expanding the definition of intelligence or adding extra tests to measure this capacity.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981190</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>greenguy</author>
	<datestamp>1257014100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More than that, I would argue there's no such thing as "general intelligence." As far as I can tell, aptitude is fairly specific. Nobody's good at everything, even if some people look like it at first.</p><p>So, yeah, it's not the least bit surprising to me that people can be really good at finding the right choice on a test, but still make bad choices in real life. In fact, if you look close, you'll see it happening all the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More than that , I would argue there 's no such thing as " general intelligence .
" As far as I can tell , aptitude is fairly specific .
Nobody 's good at everything , even if some people look like it at first.So , yeah , it 's not the least bit surprising to me that people can be really good at finding the right choice on a test , but still make bad choices in real life .
In fact , if you look close , you 'll see it happening all the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More than that, I would argue there's no such thing as "general intelligence.
" As far as I can tell, aptitude is fairly specific.
Nobody's good at everything, even if some people look like it at first.So, yeah, it's not the least bit surprising to me that people can be really good at finding the right choice on a test, but still make bad choices in real life.
In fact, if you look close, you'll see it happening all the time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988470</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>ignavus</author>
	<datestamp>1256994900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You left out "They are sick" - and that includes genetic and other congenital disabilities (google "thalidomide babies" for an example).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You left out " They are sick " - and that includes genetic and other congenital disabilities ( google " thalidomide babies " for an example ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You left out "They are sick" - and that includes genetic and other congenital disabilities (google "thalidomide babies" for an example).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981892</id>
	<title>Re:It reminds me of the old saying</title>
	<author>Daniel Dvorkin</author>
	<datestamp>1257016140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a common defensive reaction on the part of people who are just kind of all-around dumb.  "Well, I may not have all that book-learning, but at least I've got street smarts!"  No, sorry, you really don't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a common defensive reaction on the part of people who are just kind of all-around dumb .
" Well , I may not have all that book-learning , but at least I 've got street smarts !
" No , sorry , you really do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a common defensive reaction on the part of people who are just kind of all-around dumb.
"Well, I may not have all that book-learning, but at least I've got street smarts!
"  No, sorry, you really don't.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981282</id>
	<title>IQ is not the same as EQ</title>
	<author>Aceticon</author>
	<datestamp>1257014340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IQ measures raw mental abilities. It's a bit like measuring raw CPU power and memory in a computer.</p><p>EQ (Emotional Quotient) measures things like self-motivation abilities (including things like optimism), self-control and inter-personal abilities. They're a bit like measuring the quality of the software that runs in a computer and how well it works together with other programs in the network.</p><p>[Sorry, no car metaphors]</p><p>In real life, even though a large IQ will allow you to solve incredibly complex problems, if you have a low EQ, you might actually be incapable of doing so because, for example:</p><ul><li>Low self-motivation means you give up too easy unless constantly rewarded</li><li>Lack of self-control means you constantly get side-tracked with other "interesting things" not directly related to solving the main problem</li><li>Difficulty with relating with others means that you will either never be assigned the big problems to solve in the first place or will have trouble communicating the solution at the end. Also if the problem is not fully and clearly defined up-front (like the vast majority of real-world problems) you will have trouble with getting more information from others</li></ul><p>In the end, a high EQ is much more highly correlated with success than a high IQ.</p><p>Simply put, being optimistic means you're more willing to take chances (which might eventually result in a big payout), being self-motivated means that you can keep going even when things are though, having self-control means you can deny yourself a small reward now for a much bigger one later and being good with people means you can more easily find the chances and convince others to work with you.</p><p>That said, the good news is that one can change one's own EQ over one's life - most of its component are behavioral traits that can be learned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IQ measures raw mental abilities .
It 's a bit like measuring raw CPU power and memory in a computer.EQ ( Emotional Quotient ) measures things like self-motivation abilities ( including things like optimism ) , self-control and inter-personal abilities .
They 're a bit like measuring the quality of the software that runs in a computer and how well it works together with other programs in the network .
[ Sorry , no car metaphors ] In real life , even though a large IQ will allow you to solve incredibly complex problems , if you have a low EQ , you might actually be incapable of doing so because , for example : Low self-motivation means you give up too easy unless constantly rewardedLack of self-control means you constantly get side-tracked with other " interesting things " not directly related to solving the main problemDifficulty with relating with others means that you will either never be assigned the big problems to solve in the first place or will have trouble communicating the solution at the end .
Also if the problem is not fully and clearly defined up-front ( like the vast majority of real-world problems ) you will have trouble with getting more information from othersIn the end , a high EQ is much more highly correlated with success than a high IQ.Simply put , being optimistic means you 're more willing to take chances ( which might eventually result in a big payout ) , being self-motivated means that you can keep going even when things are though , having self-control means you can deny yourself a small reward now for a much bigger one later and being good with people means you can more easily find the chances and convince others to work with you.That said , the good news is that one can change one 's own EQ over one 's life - most of its component are behavioral traits that can be learned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IQ measures raw mental abilities.
It's a bit like measuring raw CPU power and memory in a computer.EQ (Emotional Quotient) measures things like self-motivation abilities (including things like optimism), self-control and inter-personal abilities.
They're a bit like measuring the quality of the software that runs in a computer and how well it works together with other programs in the network.
[Sorry, no car metaphors]In real life, even though a large IQ will allow you to solve incredibly complex problems, if you have a low EQ, you might actually be incapable of doing so because, for example:Low self-motivation means you give up too easy unless constantly rewardedLack of self-control means you constantly get side-tracked with other "interesting things" not directly related to solving the main problemDifficulty with relating with others means that you will either never be assigned the big problems to solve in the first place or will have trouble communicating the solution at the end.
Also if the problem is not fully and clearly defined up-front (like the vast majority of real-world problems) you will have trouble with getting more information from othersIn the end, a high EQ is much more highly correlated with success than a high IQ.Simply put, being optimistic means you're more willing to take chances (which might eventually result in a big payout), being self-motivated means that you can keep going even when things are though, having self-control means you can deny yourself a small reward now for a much bigger one later and being good with people means you can more easily find the chances and convince others to work with you.That said, the good news is that one can change one's own EQ over one's life - most of its component are behavioral traits that can be learned.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982062</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257016680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anecdote doesn't equal data, moron.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anecdote does n't equal data , moron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anecdote doesn't equal data, moron.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982786</id>
	<title>Re:Reminds me...</title>
	<author>value\_added</author>
	<datestamp>1257018540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"Everyone thinks dogs are smarter than cats, until you ask a dog to climb a tree."</i></p><p>I'd suggest that if there is a change of opinion, it reverts to the original when the cat gets "stuck" in the tree.</p><p>Either way, animals have little need or use for logic and abstract reasoning, but instead, devote their energies to learning how best to respond to a world that's filled with irrational behaviour and emotions.</p><p>In that sense, having a dog or cat as a pet serves as a reminder that our capacity for thinking and ideas isn't as useful as living in the moment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Everyone thinks dogs are smarter than cats , until you ask a dog to climb a tree .
" I 'd suggest that if there is a change of opinion , it reverts to the original when the cat gets " stuck " in the tree.Either way , animals have little need or use for logic and abstract reasoning , but instead , devote their energies to learning how best to respond to a world that 's filled with irrational behaviour and emotions.In that sense , having a dog or cat as a pet serves as a reminder that our capacity for thinking and ideas is n't as useful as living in the moment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Everyone thinks dogs are smarter than cats, until you ask a dog to climb a tree.
"I'd suggest that if there is a change of opinion, it reverts to the original when the cat gets "stuck" in the tree.Either way, animals have little need or use for logic and abstract reasoning, but instead, devote their energies to learning how best to respond to a world that's filled with irrational behaviour and emotions.In that sense, having a dog or cat as a pet serves as a reminder that our capacity for thinking and ideas isn't as useful as living in the moment.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29985946</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256984700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I fully agree. I've lived what you describe and only very recently found out I'm an "IQ freak".</p><p>Since 4 years I work from home, travel around Europe, meet Telecom engineers with high IQ, get a very high pay. Life is beautiful!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I fully agree .
I 've lived what you describe and only very recently found out I 'm an " IQ freak " .Since 4 years I work from home , travel around Europe , meet Telecom engineers with high IQ , get a very high pay .
Life is beautiful !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fully agree.
I've lived what you describe and only very recently found out I'm an "IQ freak".Since 4 years I work from home, travel around Europe, meet Telecom engineers with high IQ, get a very high pay.
Life is beautiful!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982296</id>
	<title>Re:Apples &amp; Oranges</title>
	<author>syntaxeater</author>
	<datestamp>1257017280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Although your point is spot on, please stick to car analogies.  (O.o)b

Comparing them is like determining 'fuel efficiency' based on 'capacity.'</htmltext>
<tokenext>Although your point is spot on , please stick to car analogies .
( O.o ) b Comparing them is like determining 'fuel efficiency ' based on 'capacity .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although your point is spot on, please stick to car analogies.
(O.o)b

Comparing them is like determining 'fuel efficiency' based on 'capacity.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.30008540</id>
	<title>Every single day!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257540240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work operational support for sharp products. You would not believe the stupidity of the calls we get for basic operation of a tv. Some people take the unit out of the box, plug it in and call us because they are either to stupid or to lazy to read the directions and cant figure out what to do next... *select language, select placement (home or store) and auto channel scan (yes)*</p><p>And you would not BELIEVE how many calls i get where the customer calls in because he/she cant figure out something simple on a tv like changing inputs or changing the unit froma  digital to analog station. I really love it when a supposed engineer calls in because he cant figure out something simple. I am always left wondering how the heck this person got their degree!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work operational support for sharp products .
You would not believe the stupidity of the calls we get for basic operation of a tv .
Some people take the unit out of the box , plug it in and call us because they are either to stupid or to lazy to read the directions and cant figure out what to do next... * select language , select placement ( home or store ) and auto channel scan ( yes ) * And you would not BELIEVE how many calls i get where the customer calls in because he/she cant figure out something simple on a tv like changing inputs or changing the unit froma digital to analog station .
I really love it when a supposed engineer calls in because he cant figure out something simple .
I am always left wondering how the heck this person got their degree !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work operational support for sharp products.
You would not believe the stupidity of the calls we get for basic operation of a tv.
Some people take the unit out of the box, plug it in and call us because they are either to stupid or to lazy to read the directions and cant figure out what to do next... *select language, select placement (home or store) and auto channel scan (yes)*And you would not BELIEVE how many calls i get where the customer calls in because he/she cant figure out something simple on a tv like changing inputs or changing the unit froma  digital to analog station.
I really love it when a supposed engineer calls in because he cant figure out something simple.
I am always left wondering how the heck this person got their degree!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981902</id>
	<title>Reminds me...</title>
	<author>Talisman</author>
	<datestamp>1257016200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reminds me of a quote I heard years and years ago, that I never thought was particularly useful, until now.</p><p>"Everyone thinks dogs are smarter than cats, until you ask a dog to climb a tree."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Reminds me of a quote I heard years and years ago , that I never thought was particularly useful , until now .
" Everyone thinks dogs are smarter than cats , until you ask a dog to climb a tree .
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<sentencetext>Reminds me of a quote I heard years and years ago, that I never thought was particularly useful, until now.
"Everyone thinks dogs are smarter than cats, until you ask a dog to climb a tree.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983990</id>
	<title>Re:Amen</title>
	<author>ZarathustraDK</author>
	<datestamp>1257021960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't think it's occurred to him yet that she and I actually speak to each other.</p></div><p>You do? Then tell Jane I'm still waiting for an answer.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think it 's occurred to him yet that she and I actually speak to each other.You do ?
Then tell Jane I 'm still waiting for an answer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think it's occurred to him yet that she and I actually speak to each other.You do?
Then tell Jane I'm still waiting for an answer.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982534</id>
	<title>In other words:</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1257017880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why IQ tests are based on outdated values and concepts. Where logical reasoning is seen as somehow higher or better that the bazillon of other forms of abilities and intelligences that exist.</p><p>And the education system fully being concentrated on developing just that one concept of intelligence. (Actually more like:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...on becoming a nice little drone with no own set of values, never questioning what it gets told, ready to be dominated.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why IQ tests are based on outdated values and concepts .
Where logical reasoning is seen as somehow higher or better that the bazillon of other forms of abilities and intelligences that exist.And the education system fully being concentrated on developing just that one concept of intelligence .
( Actually more like : ...on becoming a nice little drone with no own set of values , never questioning what it gets told , ready to be dominated .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why IQ tests are based on outdated values and concepts.
Where logical reasoning is seen as somehow higher or better that the bazillon of other forms of abilities and intelligences that exist.And the education system fully being concentrated on developing just that one concept of intelligence.
(Actually more like: ...on becoming a nice little drone with no own set of values, never questioning what it gets told, ready to be dominated.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29987978</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256992440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I call bull on some of this. Lets see, I make ~$270k, but I consider myself a socialist. My kids go to private schools, but I have no problem paying taxes which pays for schools and colleges for everyone - and I was educated in such a system. Use lot of private medicine, but see no problem in an universal healtcare system (and have also used it on occasion). Many of us believe in the value of society and common good. And I suspect that most people are like me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I call bull on some of this .
Lets see , I make ~ $ 270k , but I consider myself a socialist .
My kids go to private schools , but I have no problem paying taxes which pays for schools and colleges for everyone - and I was educated in such a system .
Use lot of private medicine , but see no problem in an universal healtcare system ( and have also used it on occasion ) .
Many of us believe in the value of society and common good .
And I suspect that most people are like me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I call bull on some of this.
Lets see, I make ~$270k, but I consider myself a socialist.
My kids go to private schools, but I have no problem paying taxes which pays for schools and colleges for everyone - and I was educated in such a system.
Use lot of private medicine, but see no problem in an universal healtcare system (and have also used it on occasion).
Many of us believe in the value of society and common good.
And I suspect that most people are like me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29986108</id>
	<title>questions about IQ tests</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256985180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do they score IQ? Are IQ tests timed? If so then practice should improve your score. How are they standardized? If they're multiple choice questions then they have "correct" answers. If so then practice should improve your score. If a score cannot be improved to the point of getting every question correct does that mean that you don't understand some of the questions? That you could never get them correct given enough time? Or does it just mean you don't have enough time? In the case of not enough time the test would only measure processing speed. If it's the case that you don't understand the question because the answer is incomprehensible to you then experience should improve your score.</p><p>I've taken standardized tests but don't remember ever taking an IQ test. My experience with standardized tests is that practice allows you to get a perfect score. What's different? The 3 questions in the article are very basic and easy mathematics questions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do they score IQ ?
Are IQ tests timed ?
If so then practice should improve your score .
How are they standardized ?
If they 're multiple choice questions then they have " correct " answers .
If so then practice should improve your score .
If a score can not be improved to the point of getting every question correct does that mean that you do n't understand some of the questions ?
That you could never get them correct given enough time ?
Or does it just mean you do n't have enough time ?
In the case of not enough time the test would only measure processing speed .
If it 's the case that you do n't understand the question because the answer is incomprehensible to you then experience should improve your score.I 've taken standardized tests but do n't remember ever taking an IQ test .
My experience with standardized tests is that practice allows you to get a perfect score .
What 's different ?
The 3 questions in the article are very basic and easy mathematics questions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do they score IQ?
Are IQ tests timed?
If so then practice should improve your score.
How are they standardized?
If they're multiple choice questions then they have "correct" answers.
If so then practice should improve your score.
If a score cannot be improved to the point of getting every question correct does that mean that you don't understand some of the questions?
That you could never get them correct given enough time?
Or does it just mean you don't have enough time?
In the case of not enough time the test would only measure processing speed.
If it's the case that you don't understand the question because the answer is incomprehensible to you then experience should improve your score.I've taken standardized tests but don't remember ever taking an IQ test.
My experience with standardized tests is that practice allows you to get a perfect score.
What's different?
The 3 questions in the article are very basic and easy mathematics questions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981662</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1257015480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny, because I see poor people as the ones being stupid.  They're not stupid because they are poor, they are poor because they are stupid.</p><p>Oh, and get off your high horse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , because I see poor people as the ones being stupid .
They 're not stupid because they are poor , they are poor because they are stupid.Oh , and get off your high horse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, because I see poor people as the ones being stupid.
They're not stupid because they are poor, they are poor because they are stupid.Oh, and get off your high horse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981744</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1257015660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The most knowledgeable person in the world could also be the biggest idiotic moron.</p><p>The most ignorant person in the world could also be the most intelligent genius.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The most knowledgeable person in the world could also be the biggest idiotic moron.The most ignorant person in the world could also be the most intelligent genius .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>The most knowledgeable person in the world could also be the biggest idiotic moron.The most ignorant person in the world could also be the most intelligent genius.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982370</id>
	<title>my sister is a shining example</title>
	<author>FudRucker</author>
	<datestamp>1257017460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>she earned a bachelors degree in psychology in college, she has lots of book learning intelligence, but not one lick of common sense.
<br> <br>
Main Entry: common sense<br>
Function: noun<br>

: sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts</htmltext>
<tokenext>she earned a bachelors degree in psychology in college , she has lots of book learning intelligence , but not one lick of common sense .
Main Entry : common sense Function : noun : sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts</tokentext>
<sentencetext>she earned a bachelors degree in psychology in college, she has lots of book learning intelligence, but not one lick of common sense.
Main Entry: common sense
Function: noun

: sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982036</id>
	<title>One thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257016560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can have a high IQ, but you also need to have common sense, and be able to apply both to a situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can have a high IQ , but you also need to have common sense , and be able to apply both to a situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can have a high IQ, but you also need to have common sense, and be able to apply both to a situation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29998826</id>
	<title>Math/CS majors do best at the trick questions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257412020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interestingly, I posted the married-person question (Q: Jack is looking at Anne, and Anne is looking at George; Jack is married, George is not. Is a married person looking at an unmarried person? A: Yes, No, or Cannot Be Determined...) as my Facebook status. I got 5 responses (admittedly a terrible sample size), and the only 2 who got it right (immediately!...and not surprisingly) are math/computer science grads. The others are intelligent humanities/social science grads (one is getting a PhD in Anthropology).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interestingly , I posted the married-person question ( Q : Jack is looking at Anne , and Anne is looking at George ; Jack is married , George is not .
Is a married person looking at an unmarried person ?
A : Yes , No , or Can not Be Determined... ) as my Facebook status .
I got 5 responses ( admittedly a terrible sample size ) , and the only 2 who got it right ( immediately ! ...and not surprisingly ) are math/computer science grads .
The others are intelligent humanities/social science grads ( one is getting a PhD in Anthropology ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interestingly, I posted the married-person question (Q: Jack is looking at Anne, and Anne is looking at George; Jack is married, George is not.
Is a married person looking at an unmarried person?
A: Yes, No, or Cannot Be Determined...) as my Facebook status.
I got 5 responses (admittedly a terrible sample size), and the only 2 who got it right (immediately!...and not surprisingly) are math/computer science grads.
The others are intelligent humanities/social science grads (one is getting a PhD in Anthropology).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29996960</id>
	<title>Re:It reminds me of the old saying</title>
	<author>phlinn</author>
	<datestamp>1257447000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sorry, a Daily Show complaint about Glenn Beck engaging in What If scenarios does not in any way indicate a disconnect between Glenn Beck and Common Sense.  Funny bit, but not relevant, unless you honestly think contingency planning is utterly useless.  Note I'm not saying you couldn't find evidence of stupidity on his part, only that you failed to prove your case.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry , a Daily Show complaint about Glenn Beck engaging in What If scenarios does not in any way indicate a disconnect between Glenn Beck and Common Sense .
Funny bit , but not relevant , unless you honestly think contingency planning is utterly useless .
Note I 'm not saying you could n't find evidence of stupidity on his part , only that you failed to prove your case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry, a Daily Show complaint about Glenn Beck engaging in What If scenarios does not in any way indicate a disconnect between Glenn Beck and Common Sense.
Funny bit, but not relevant, unless you honestly think contingency planning is utterly useless.
Note I'm not saying you couldn't find evidence of stupidity on his part, only that you failed to prove your case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29985044</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>nortcele</author>
	<datestamp>1256982120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Prideful people are just not pleasant to be around.  Whether it's boasting of their IQ, money, etc.; it's clearly a matter of them trying to elevate themselves above others.  It's much more enjoyable to be around confident yet humble individuals.  My belief is that (looking beyond the shallow physical level here...) everyone is gifted with some beneficial characteristic that most others do not possess.  Those that zero in on and utilize that ability for the betterment of themselves and others tend to lead a very satisfied life (and are well liked by others).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Prideful people are just not pleasant to be around .
Whether it 's boasting of their IQ , money , etc .
; it 's clearly a matter of them trying to elevate themselves above others .
It 's much more enjoyable to be around confident yet humble individuals .
My belief is that ( looking beyond the shallow physical level here... ) everyone is gifted with some beneficial characteristic that most others do not possess .
Those that zero in on and utilize that ability for the betterment of themselves and others tend to lead a very satisfied life ( and are well liked by others ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Prideful people are just not pleasant to be around.
Whether it's boasting of their IQ, money, etc.
; it's clearly a matter of them trying to elevate themselves above others.
It's much more enjoyable to be around confident yet humble individuals.
My belief is that (looking beyond the shallow physical level here...) everyone is gifted with some beneficial characteristic that most others do not possess.
Those that zero in on and utilize that ability for the betterment of themselves and others tend to lead a very satisfied life (and are well liked by others).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983346</id>
	<title>Re:It's true</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257020040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that makes him clumsy (or absent-minded), more than anything else. A more compelling statement would be: he's one of the smartest people I know with a PhD in optical physics, but can't seem understand how to interact with people - he can't even form any meaningful relationships of the most basic kind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that makes him clumsy ( or absent-minded ) , more than anything else .
A more compelling statement would be : he 's one of the smartest people I know with a PhD in optical physics , but ca n't seem understand how to interact with people - he ca n't even form any meaningful relationships of the most basic kind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that makes him clumsy (or absent-minded), more than anything else.
A more compelling statement would be: he's one of the smartest people I know with a PhD in optical physics, but can't seem understand how to interact with people - he can't even form any meaningful relationships of the most basic kind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29992610</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1257418500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree completely. IMO, the solution to that is to keep challenging yourself - dabble in all sorts of areas. If your math/sci focussed, try some literature, philosophy, the arts, etc. Even if you end up applying the concepts from math/sci to it, it gives those metaphoric muscles a workout and also rounds out your knowledge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree completely .
IMO , the solution to that is to keep challenging yourself - dabble in all sorts of areas .
If your math/sci focussed , try some literature , philosophy , the arts , etc .
Even if you end up applying the concepts from math/sci to it , it gives those metaphoric muscles a workout and also rounds out your knowledge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree completely.
IMO, the solution to that is to keep challenging yourself - dabble in all sorts of areas.
If your math/sci focussed, try some literature, philosophy, the arts, etc.
Even if you end up applying the concepts from math/sci to it, it gives those metaphoric muscles a workout and also rounds out your knowledge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984230</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Atrox666</author>
	<datestamp>1257022680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've met some mensa people. It's physically draining to resist the urge to beat them up and take their lunch money. It's more of a support group for the morbidly dorky than a society of enlightened souls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've met some mensa people .
It 's physically draining to resist the urge to beat them up and take their lunch money .
It 's more of a support group for the morbidly dorky than a society of enlightened souls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've met some mensa people.
It's physically draining to resist the urge to beat them up and take their lunch money.
It's more of a support group for the morbidly dorky than a society of enlightened souls.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29999648</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257415260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There was an article in the New Yorker a while ago (sorry for the vague citation) about a psychological survey attached to a many nation international high school math examination. They were looking for cultural differences that accounted for how well a nation ranked in the same math test.<br>The survey was taken by the students after the exam and did not affect their test score.<br>As the survey was asking questions for multiple theories from multiple researchers it got longer and longer; well over a hundred questions.<br>One researcher noticed that there was a very strong correlation between the average test score for students from a country and how many questions they filled out on the survey. The better the score, the more questions they answered (with any answer) before giving up on the survey.</p><p>The article was about the difference, especially between Asian countries and Western ones on math smarts. Western societies think of math smarts as a natural talent you have or don't have. Eastern ones tend to see it as the result of diligent work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was an article in the New Yorker a while ago ( sorry for the vague citation ) about a psychological survey attached to a many nation international high school math examination .
They were looking for cultural differences that accounted for how well a nation ranked in the same math test.The survey was taken by the students after the exam and did not affect their test score.As the survey was asking questions for multiple theories from multiple researchers it got longer and longer ; well over a hundred questions.One researcher noticed that there was a very strong correlation between the average test score for students from a country and how many questions they filled out on the survey .
The better the score , the more questions they answered ( with any answer ) before giving up on the survey.The article was about the difference , especially between Asian countries and Western ones on math smarts .
Western societies think of math smarts as a natural talent you have or do n't have .
Eastern ones tend to see it as the result of diligent work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was an article in the New Yorker a while ago (sorry for the vague citation) about a psychological survey attached to a many nation international high school math examination.
They were looking for cultural differences that accounted for how well a nation ranked in the same math test.The survey was taken by the students after the exam and did not affect their test score.As the survey was asking questions for multiple theories from multiple researchers it got longer and longer; well over a hundred questions.One researcher noticed that there was a very strong correlation between the average test score for students from a country and how many questions they filled out on the survey.
The better the score, the more questions they answered (with any answer) before giving up on the survey.The article was about the difference, especially between Asian countries and Western ones on math smarts.
Western societies think of math smarts as a natural talent you have or don't have.
Eastern ones tend to see it as the result of diligent work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29980894</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29996042</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257442500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF?</p><p>Did I really invent a time-machine 5 years ago and travel to the present time to post that? And how did I forget about it again?</p><p>Anyway, I'll risk breaking the time-continiuum and give you a the answer: You have ADHD-PI, if you take ritalin your "organizational" skills will improve, and your interlect with stay the same, though things does tend to get a little more boring, when your life is more orderly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF ? Did I really invent a time-machine 5 years ago and travel to the present time to post that ?
And how did I forget about it again ? Anyway , I 'll risk breaking the time-continiuum and give you a the answer : You have ADHD-PI , if you take ritalin your " organizational " skills will improve , and your interlect with stay the same , though things does tend to get a little more boring , when your life is more orderly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF?Did I really invent a time-machine 5 years ago and travel to the present time to post that?
And how did I forget about it again?Anyway, I'll risk breaking the time-continiuum and give you a the answer: You have ADHD-PI, if you take ritalin your "organizational" skills will improve, and your interlect with stay the same, though things does tend to get a little more boring, when your life is more orderly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29980984</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29999174</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257413400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; The largest common factors I have noticed between those who are self-made wealthy is this:<br>&gt; # They save money, budget, evaluate costs to benefits, plan for long haul (know people who make $28,000/year and have paid off reliable cars, own thier house, and are in process of building retirement accounts)</p><p>Self-made wealthy people who make $28,000/year? Please define 'wealthy'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The largest common factors I have noticed between those who are self-made wealthy is this : &gt; # They save money , budget , evaluate costs to benefits , plan for long haul ( know people who make $ 28,000/year and have paid off reliable cars , own thier house , and are in process of building retirement accounts ) Self-made wealthy people who make $ 28,000/year ?
Please define 'wealthy' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; The largest common factors I have noticed between those who are self-made wealthy is this:&gt; # They save money, budget, evaluate costs to benefits, plan for long haul (know people who make $28,000/year and have paid off reliable cars, own thier house, and are in process of building retirement accounts)Self-made wealthy people who make $28,000/year?
Please define 'wealthy'.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982790</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983432</id>
	<title>In classical reasoning (and AD&amp;D)</title>
	<author>HikingStick</author>
	<datestamp>1257020280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In classical reasoning, there's a difference between Intelligence and Wisdon.  Intelligence roughly translates to intellectual capacity, whereas Wisdom represents the ability to make good choices given the knowledge you have, the experience you've gained, and the factors presented to you.  Thus, using <i>All in the Family</i> as an example, we could say that Archie clearly had more Intelligence than Edith, but Edith clearly had more Wisdom.<br> <br>I guess the AD&amp;D rulebooks had it right after all, by have Intelligence and Wisdom as separate stats.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In classical reasoning , there 's a difference between Intelligence and Wisdon .
Intelligence roughly translates to intellectual capacity , whereas Wisdom represents the ability to make good choices given the knowledge you have , the experience you 've gained , and the factors presented to you .
Thus , using All in the Family as an example , we could say that Archie clearly had more Intelligence than Edith , but Edith clearly had more Wisdom .
I guess the AD&amp;D rulebooks had it right after all , by have Intelligence and Wisdom as separate stats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In classical reasoning, there's a difference between Intelligence and Wisdon.
Intelligence roughly translates to intellectual capacity, whereas Wisdom represents the ability to make good choices given the knowledge you have, the experience you've gained, and the factors presented to you.
Thus, using All in the Family as an example, we could say that Archie clearly had more Intelligence than Edith, but Edith clearly had more Wisdom.
I guess the AD&amp;D rulebooks had it right after all, by have Intelligence and Wisdom as separate stats.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29987912</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>ajlisows</author>
	<datestamp>1256992080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess it depends on how you define "poor".  I have found that people who don't have much money are the ones most vehemently against "socialist agendas" and "Giving their money to the (insert racial slur here)".  Just my experience of course, your miles may vary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess it depends on how you define " poor " .
I have found that people who do n't have much money are the ones most vehemently against " socialist agendas " and " Giving their money to the ( insert racial slur here ) " .
Just my experience of course , your miles may vary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess it depends on how you define "poor".
I have found that people who don't have much money are the ones most vehemently against "socialist agendas" and "Giving their money to the (insert racial slur here)".
Just my experience of course, your miles may vary.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982790</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982758</id>
	<title>USAF Cryptolinguists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257018420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Biggest bunch of dumb-fucks you'll ever meet.  Sure, they have an aptitude for learning foreign languages, but when it comes to common sense they're riding the short bus.</p><p>And don't get me started on how many degenerates that career field attracts.  Wife-swapping, gay orgies, gang-bangs, you name it Crypto-pukes have done it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Biggest bunch of dumb-fucks you 'll ever meet .
Sure , they have an aptitude for learning foreign languages , but when it comes to common sense they 're riding the short bus.And do n't get me started on how many degenerates that career field attracts .
Wife-swapping , gay orgies , gang-bangs , you name it Crypto-pukes have done it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Biggest bunch of dumb-fucks you'll ever meet.
Sure, they have an aptitude for learning foreign languages, but when it comes to common sense they're riding the short bus.And don't get me started on how many degenerates that career field attracts.
Wife-swapping, gay orgies, gang-bangs, you name it Crypto-pukes have done it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982254</id>
	<title>Better ways to measure IQ?</title>
	<author>binaryartist</author>
	<datestamp>1257017100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess the article should have been titled 'deficiencies of techniques that measure your IQ today' and what it means to be 'smart'?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess the article should have been titled 'deficiencies of techniques that measure your IQ today ' and what it means to be 'smart ' ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess the article should have been titled 'deficiencies of techniques that measure your IQ today' and what it means to be 'smart'?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29985820</id>
	<title>Corollary?</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1256984280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Penny-wise and pound-foolish?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Penny-wise and pound-foolish ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Penny-wise and pound-foolish?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982178</id>
	<title>Intelligence isn't one thing</title>
	<author>JerryLove</author>
	<datestamp>1257016920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The brain does so many, many different things. Why does it take a study to know that you can be better at some things than others?</p><p>I would think, even for the lowest IQs among us, the extreme-examples (such as the archtypical "idiot-savant") would have pounded that home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The brain does so many , many different things .
Why does it take a study to know that you can be better at some things than others ? I would think , even for the lowest IQs among us , the extreme-examples ( such as the archtypical " idiot-savant " ) would have pounded that home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The brain does so many, many different things.
Why does it take a study to know that you can be better at some things than others?I would think, even for the lowest IQs among us, the extreme-examples (such as the archtypical "idiot-savant") would have pounded that home.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981956</id>
	<title>There's a difference</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257016320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Intelligence and common sense are two totally different things<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Intelligence and common sense are two totally different things : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intelligence and common sense are two totally different things :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981276</id>
	<title>One of my favorite quotes...</title>
	<author>Headw1nd</author>
	<datestamp>1257014280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Intelligence is a tool to be used toward a goal, and goals are not always chosen intelligently.
-Larry Niven</htmltext>
<tokenext>Intelligence is a tool to be used toward a goal , and goals are not always chosen intelligently .
-Larry Niven</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intelligence is a tool to be used toward a goal, and goals are not always chosen intelligently.
-Larry Niven</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981172</id>
	<title>I would rather be attractive than have a high IQ</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257013980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would much rather be attractive to women than have a high IQ, if I had to pick one...</p><p>Being attractive to the opposite sex is actually a much better indicator than IQ of your "success" in life...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would much rather be attractive to women than have a high IQ , if I had to pick one...Being attractive to the opposite sex is actually a much better indicator than IQ of your " success " in life.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would much rather be attractive to women than have a high IQ, if I had to pick one...Being attractive to the opposite sex is actually a much better indicator than IQ of your "success" in life...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981874</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257016080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Some rich people are stupid, but so are most of the poor people I know so unless you've got a couple of citations to back up your obviously prejudiced opinions your just a troll.</p></div><p>You're.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some rich people are stupid , but so are most of the poor people I know so unless you 've got a couple of citations to back up your obviously prejudiced opinions your just a troll.You 're .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some rich people are stupid, but so are most of the poor people I know so unless you've got a couple of citations to back up your obviously prejudiced opinions your just a troll.You're.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981742</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982848</id>
	<title>I wonder....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257018720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, it's well known that Marilyn Vos Savant has an IQ off the charts, but her intellectual accomplishments are, at best, modest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it 's well known that Marilyn Vos Savant has an IQ off the charts , but her intellectual accomplishments are , at best , modest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it's well known that Marilyn Vos Savant has an IQ off the charts, but her intellectual accomplishments are, at best, modest.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29980894</id>
	<title>This is news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257013200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mensa and testing agencies have been making it clear for a couple decades now that IQ only measures your ability to take tests.</p><p>While that's strongly correlated with general intelligence, it means nothing specific for a specific individual.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mensa and testing agencies have been making it clear for a couple decades now that IQ only measures your ability to take tests.While that 's strongly correlated with general intelligence , it means nothing specific for a specific individual .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mensa and testing agencies have been making it clear for a couple decades now that IQ only measures your ability to take tests.While that's strongly correlated with general intelligence, it means nothing specific for a specific individual.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983756</id>
	<title>On Slashdot.</title>
	<author>Singularity42</author>
	<datestamp>1257021240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Both readers and posters will tend to have a high IQ.  There will be jokes and denials, but this statement is likely true.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Both readers and posters will tend to have a high IQ .
There will be jokes and denials , but this statement is likely true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both readers and posters will tend to have a high IQ.
There will be jokes and denials, but this statement is likely true.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982768</id>
	<title>Erh...</title>
	<author>Derosian</author>
	<datestamp>1257018480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have an IQ of 135, but if I was smart I would be at my class like I'm supposed to be.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an IQ of 135 , but if I was smart I would be at my class like I 'm supposed to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an IQ of 135, but if I was smart I would be at my class like I'm supposed to be.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.30006072</id>
	<title>Numbers are meaningless</title>
	<author>OwMyBrain</author>
	<datestamp>1257525960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I took IQ tests in elementary school, and was placed in the accelerated gifted program. Then I moved to another state, where I had to retake the IQ exam, and I just barely missed the cut. So, by one test I'm "gifted" and by another I'm not. I retook the test a year later, and what do you know? I'm gifted again!</p><p>This is why I think IQ tests are crap. They try to put a number on something as abstract as intelligence. It's hard to put a rigid cutoff to something abstract like this. I certainly didn't get dumber for that one year where I wasn't "gifted" by government standards. I would much rather see gifted programs that catered to student's ability to perform in areas like creativity and problem solving in a full on classroom or project environment, not some arbitrary number from a standardized tests. How can a single point on a test be the difference between a child that gets special attention and has their education more closely nurtured and the one that doesn't? I say gifted children are the ones that apply themselves the best in real-world situations and don't just memorize facts. But that's a much harder test to devise.</p><p>My parents did me a great service in that they never told me how I scored on any of the IQ tests. To this day, I still don't know. They were smart enough to realize the worthlessness of putting a number on something like intelligence. And there's no sense in penis-waving IQ scores, because they're just a general idea of where you fall over the whole populace and nothing more. And IQ tests should, therefore, not be treated like anything more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I took IQ tests in elementary school , and was placed in the accelerated gifted program .
Then I moved to another state , where I had to retake the IQ exam , and I just barely missed the cut .
So , by one test I 'm " gifted " and by another I 'm not .
I retook the test a year later , and what do you know ?
I 'm gifted again ! This is why I think IQ tests are crap .
They try to put a number on something as abstract as intelligence .
It 's hard to put a rigid cutoff to something abstract like this .
I certainly did n't get dumber for that one year where I was n't " gifted " by government standards .
I would much rather see gifted programs that catered to student 's ability to perform in areas like creativity and problem solving in a full on classroom or project environment , not some arbitrary number from a standardized tests .
How can a single point on a test be the difference between a child that gets special attention and has their education more closely nurtured and the one that does n't ?
I say gifted children are the ones that apply themselves the best in real-world situations and do n't just memorize facts .
But that 's a much harder test to devise.My parents did me a great service in that they never told me how I scored on any of the IQ tests .
To this day , I still do n't know .
They were smart enough to realize the worthlessness of putting a number on something like intelligence .
And there 's no sense in penis-waving IQ scores , because they 're just a general idea of where you fall over the whole populace and nothing more .
And IQ tests should , therefore , not be treated like anything more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I took IQ tests in elementary school, and was placed in the accelerated gifted program.
Then I moved to another state, where I had to retake the IQ exam, and I just barely missed the cut.
So, by one test I'm "gifted" and by another I'm not.
I retook the test a year later, and what do you know?
I'm gifted again!This is why I think IQ tests are crap.
They try to put a number on something as abstract as intelligence.
It's hard to put a rigid cutoff to something abstract like this.
I certainly didn't get dumber for that one year where I wasn't "gifted" by government standards.
I would much rather see gifted programs that catered to student's ability to perform in areas like creativity and problem solving in a full on classroom or project environment, not some arbitrary number from a standardized tests.
How can a single point on a test be the difference between a child that gets special attention and has their education more closely nurtured and the one that doesn't?
I say gifted children are the ones that apply themselves the best in real-world situations and don't just memorize facts.
But that's a much harder test to devise.My parents did me a great service in that they never told me how I scored on any of the IQ tests.
To this day, I still don't know.
They were smart enough to realize the worthlessness of putting a number on something like intelligence.
And there's no sense in penis-waving IQ scores, because they're just a general idea of where you fall over the whole populace and nothing more.
And IQ tests should, therefore, not be treated like anything more.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29987852</id>
	<title>Re:Smartest people I know are morons in some thing</title>
	<author>lawpoop</author>
	<datestamp>1256991780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Like not leaving untreated wood lying in pile all winter,</p> </div><p> What's the problem with this? It rots?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like not leaving untreated wood lying in pile all winter , What 's the problem with this ?
It rots ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like not leaving untreated wood lying in pile all winter,  What's the problem with this?
It rots?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29980994</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29989648</id>
	<title>Re:High IQ DOES mean you're smart...</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1257001020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>An intelligent playboy prince that has had everything handed to him is still just a playboy prince.  He just put his intelligence to use buying a ranch so he could pretend to be a good old Texan boy instead of a Harvard MBA and to convince others that he was a hard boiled military man instead of a drunken AWOL waste of space.  Perhaps extending the war to Iraq was a good political choice for Bush for a short term personal outcome even if it was against the best interests of the nation and even his party.  He'll certainly be in the history books, perhaps beside Benedict Arnold but he will be there.<br>Obama is not perfection either but let's not compare and get even furthur off topic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An intelligent playboy prince that has had everything handed to him is still just a playboy prince .
He just put his intelligence to use buying a ranch so he could pretend to be a good old Texan boy instead of a Harvard MBA and to convince others that he was a hard boiled military man instead of a drunken AWOL waste of space .
Perhaps extending the war to Iraq was a good political choice for Bush for a short term personal outcome even if it was against the best interests of the nation and even his party .
He 'll certainly be in the history books , perhaps beside Benedict Arnold but he will be there.Obama is not perfection either but let 's not compare and get even furthur off topic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An intelligent playboy prince that has had everything handed to him is still just a playboy prince.
He just put his intelligence to use buying a ranch so he could pretend to be a good old Texan boy instead of a Harvard MBA and to convince others that he was a hard boiled military man instead of a drunken AWOL waste of space.
Perhaps extending the war to Iraq was a good political choice for Bush for a short term personal outcome even if it was against the best interests of the nation and even his party.
He'll certainly be in the history books, perhaps beside Benedict Arnold but he will be there.Obama is not perfection either but let's not compare and get even furthur off topic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981536</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981782</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1257015780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Knowledge is not Intelligence. Otherwise, that means the hard drive in your computer would be more intelligent than you are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Knowledge is not Intelligence .
Otherwise , that means the hard drive in your computer would be more intelligent than you are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Knowledge is not Intelligence.
Otherwise, that means the hard drive in your computer would be more intelligent than you are.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981356</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982116</id>
	<title>Re:IQ is not the same as EQ</title>
	<author>just\_another\_sean</author>
	<datestamp>1257016800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In the end, a high EQ is much more highly correlated with success than a high IQ.</p></div><p>Sir, I have to say it, I resemble that remark!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the end , a high EQ is much more highly correlated with success than a high IQ.Sir , I have to say it , I resemble that remark !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the end, a high EQ is much more highly correlated with success than a high IQ.Sir, I have to say it, I resemble that remark!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981282</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981520</id>
	<title>Just what I've already said</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1257015060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"IQ" measures the ability to do well on IQ tests... no more, no less. It is in no way a predictor of success, with the exception of success in taking other types of tests. I'm a living example of someone with the ability to score over 99th percentile in intelligence tests, but still lacking in common sense (case in point: I'm wasting my time posting to slashdot!)</htmltext>
<tokenext>" IQ " measures the ability to do well on IQ tests... no more , no less .
It is in no way a predictor of success , with the exception of success in taking other types of tests .
I 'm a living example of someone with the ability to score over 99th percentile in intelligence tests , but still lacking in common sense ( case in point : I 'm wasting my time posting to slashdot !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"IQ" measures the ability to do well on IQ tests... no more, no less.
It is in no way a predictor of success, with the exception of success in taking other types of tests.
I'm a living example of someone with the ability to score over 99th percentile in intelligence tests, but still lacking in common sense (case in point: I'm wasting my time posting to slashdot!
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982102</id>
	<title>Re:IQ is not the same as EQ</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1257016800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good point, I'd better get off<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. and back to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good point , I 'd better get off / .
and back to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good point, I'd better get off /.
and back to work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982596</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257018000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am also a member of Mensa, with an IQ of around 150. My experience with it, at least int he workplace, is not what most would call exemplary. I have a strong work ethic and am very self-motivated. I can get absorbed in a project and have it done very well and in record time. However, I am also artistically inclined, and (stereotypically) can be fairly disorganised. I also have trouble seeing the big picture--it's easy to get so focused on the task right in front of me, I don't see what's a mile down the road, so to speak. This leads to it being hard for me to advance beyond doing some of the most labour-intensive, but least-paid jobs in this industry (currently IT/tech support).
<br> <br>
Being highly intelligent can also lead to being easily dissatisfied, because you have a higher awareness of things around you. You see how things could be done better and are frustrated when people can't or don't want to change how things are done. This is often perceived as anti-sociability or worse, arrogance and narcissism. That, in turn, makes it hard to be successful in a job where you must work closely with others, such as the office environment.
<br> <br>
The challenge I am currently trying to overcome is the feeling that I have this "gift" (after all, I didn't choose to be born this way any more than someone chooses to be born mentally disabled, and I am thankful and humbled because of it) and I want to use it to help, to make a difference to a person or company where it will be appreciated and utilised. Even now, in this office, my efforts to better myself and the department are being thwarted by mundane corporate politics, and a pair of managers that are a bit thick, and very resistant to change and to anyone they perceive as a threat (this is not my opinion; pretty much the whole department feels this way).
<br> <br>
I suppose this was a bit off-topic since it isn't directly related to IQ versus 'smartness', but the way those things affect an individual and their ability to succeed in the workplace is at least timely given the economy and job situation... right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am also a member of Mensa , with an IQ of around 150 .
My experience with it , at least int he workplace , is not what most would call exemplary .
I have a strong work ethic and am very self-motivated .
I can get absorbed in a project and have it done very well and in record time .
However , I am also artistically inclined , and ( stereotypically ) can be fairly disorganised .
I also have trouble seeing the big picture--it 's easy to get so focused on the task right in front of me , I do n't see what 's a mile down the road , so to speak .
This leads to it being hard for me to advance beyond doing some of the most labour-intensive , but least-paid jobs in this industry ( currently IT/tech support ) .
Being highly intelligent can also lead to being easily dissatisfied , because you have a higher awareness of things around you .
You see how things could be done better and are frustrated when people ca n't or do n't want to change how things are done .
This is often perceived as anti-sociability or worse , arrogance and narcissism .
That , in turn , makes it hard to be successful in a job where you must work closely with others , such as the office environment .
The challenge I am currently trying to overcome is the feeling that I have this " gift " ( after all , I did n't choose to be born this way any more than someone chooses to be born mentally disabled , and I am thankful and humbled because of it ) and I want to use it to help , to make a difference to a person or company where it will be appreciated and utilised .
Even now , in this office , my efforts to better myself and the department are being thwarted by mundane corporate politics , and a pair of managers that are a bit thick , and very resistant to change and to anyone they perceive as a threat ( this is not my opinion ; pretty much the whole department feels this way ) .
I suppose this was a bit off-topic since it is n't directly related to IQ versus 'smartness ' , but the way those things affect an individual and their ability to succeed in the workplace is at least timely given the economy and job situation... right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am also a member of Mensa, with an IQ of around 150.
My experience with it, at least int he workplace, is not what most would call exemplary.
I have a strong work ethic and am very self-motivated.
I can get absorbed in a project and have it done very well and in record time.
However, I am also artistically inclined, and (stereotypically) can be fairly disorganised.
I also have trouble seeing the big picture--it's easy to get so focused on the task right in front of me, I don't see what's a mile down the road, so to speak.
This leads to it being hard for me to advance beyond doing some of the most labour-intensive, but least-paid jobs in this industry (currently IT/tech support).
Being highly intelligent can also lead to being easily dissatisfied, because you have a higher awareness of things around you.
You see how things could be done better and are frustrated when people can't or don't want to change how things are done.
This is often perceived as anti-sociability or worse, arrogance and narcissism.
That, in turn, makes it hard to be successful in a job where you must work closely with others, such as the office environment.
The challenge I am currently trying to overcome is the feeling that I have this "gift" (after all, I didn't choose to be born this way any more than someone chooses to be born mentally disabled, and I am thankful and humbled because of it) and I want to use it to help, to make a difference to a person or company where it will be appreciated and utilised.
Even now, in this office, my efforts to better myself and the department are being thwarted by mundane corporate politics, and a pair of managers that are a bit thick, and very resistant to change and to anyone they perceive as a threat (this is not my opinion; pretty much the whole department feels this way).
I suppose this was a bit off-topic since it isn't directly related to IQ versus 'smartness', but the way those things affect an individual and their ability to succeed in the workplace is at least timely given the economy and job situation... right?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29980984</id>
	<title>I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257013440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a member of mensa with a rather high IQ (160 on the cattel 3B), I know that my IQ is in at least the top percentile. However, my organisational skills are atrocious, and while I can remember something well short-term, I tend to forget things long-term. This led to my nearly dropping out of university because while I can write a decent essay, I often forgot to do so. Once I understand a mathematical concept I can do it well, but I tend to forget formulae, so I only got a middle-of-the-road grade in maths.</p><p>A high IQ means very little, and I'm not saying that because of jealousy; I'd rather be well-organised and "only" average in the more abstract ways of measuring ability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a member of mensa with a rather high IQ ( 160 on the cattel 3B ) , I know that my IQ is in at least the top percentile .
However , my organisational skills are atrocious , and while I can remember something well short-term , I tend to forget things long-term .
This led to my nearly dropping out of university because while I can write a decent essay , I often forgot to do so .
Once I understand a mathematical concept I can do it well , but I tend to forget formulae , so I only got a middle-of-the-road grade in maths.A high IQ means very little , and I 'm not saying that because of jealousy ; I 'd rather be well-organised and " only " average in the more abstract ways of measuring ability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a member of mensa with a rather high IQ (160 on the cattel 3B), I know that my IQ is in at least the top percentile.
However, my organisational skills are atrocious, and while I can remember something well short-term, I tend to forget things long-term.
This led to my nearly dropping out of university because while I can write a decent essay, I often forgot to do so.
Once I understand a mathematical concept I can do it well, but I tend to forget formulae, so I only got a middle-of-the-road grade in maths.A high IQ means very little, and I'm not saying that because of jealousy; I'd rather be well-organised and "only" average in the more abstract ways of measuring ability.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981478</id>
	<title>Re:INT vs WIS</title>
	<author>RobertM1968</author>
	<datestamp>1257014940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, it really depends on what Materia you have equipped.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it really depends on what Materia you have equipped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it really depends on what Materia you have equipped.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984984</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256981940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Being highly intelligent can also lead to being easily dissatisfied, because you have a higher awareness of things around you. You see how things could be done better and are frustrated when people can't or don't want to change how things are done. This is often perceived as anti-sociability or worse, arrogance and narcissism. That, in turn, makes it hard to be successful in a job where you must work closely with others, such as the office environment.</p><p>The challenge I am currently trying to overcome is the feeling that I have this "gift" (after all, I didn't choose to be born this way any more than someone chooses to be born mentally disabled, and I am thankful and humbled because of it) and I want to use it to help, to make a difference to a person or company where it will be appreciated and utilised. Even now, in this office, my efforts to better myself and the department are being thwarted by mundane corporate politics, and a pair of managers that are a bit thick, and very resistant to change and to anyone they perceive as a threat (this is not my opinion; pretty much the whole department feels this way).</p></div><p>Dwight, is that you?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Being highly intelligent can also lead to being easily dissatisfied , because you have a higher awareness of things around you .
You see how things could be done better and are frustrated when people ca n't or do n't want to change how things are done .
This is often perceived as anti-sociability or worse , arrogance and narcissism .
That , in turn , makes it hard to be successful in a job where you must work closely with others , such as the office environment.The challenge I am currently trying to overcome is the feeling that I have this " gift " ( after all , I did n't choose to be born this way any more than someone chooses to be born mentally disabled , and I am thankful and humbled because of it ) and I want to use it to help , to make a difference to a person or company where it will be appreciated and utilised .
Even now , in this office , my efforts to better myself and the department are being thwarted by mundane corporate politics , and a pair of managers that are a bit thick , and very resistant to change and to anyone they perceive as a threat ( this is not my opinion ; pretty much the whole department feels this way ) .Dwight , is that you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being highly intelligent can also lead to being easily dissatisfied, because you have a higher awareness of things around you.
You see how things could be done better and are frustrated when people can't or don't want to change how things are done.
This is often perceived as anti-sociability or worse, arrogance and narcissism.
That, in turn, makes it hard to be successful in a job where you must work closely with others, such as the office environment.The challenge I am currently trying to overcome is the feeling that I have this "gift" (after all, I didn't choose to be born this way any more than someone chooses to be born mentally disabled, and I am thankful and humbled because of it) and I want to use it to help, to make a difference to a person or company where it will be appreciated and utilised.
Even now, in this office, my efforts to better myself and the department are being thwarted by mundane corporate politics, and a pair of managers that are a bit thick, and very resistant to change and to anyone they perceive as a threat (this is not my opinion; pretty much the whole department feels this way).Dwight, is that you?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981110</id>
	<title>Re:INT vs WIS</title>
	<author>pig\_man1899</author>
	<datestamp>1257013800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly!  Gary Gygax figured this out 35 years ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly !
Gary Gygax figured this out 35 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly!
Gary Gygax figured this out 35 years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984110</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>deuterium</author>
	<datestamp>1257022320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I define intelligence as asking the right questions. This entails the curiosity needed to ask questions in the first place, and the insight to define exactly what it is you don't know.</p><p>I like your requirement of openness. The hallmark of an idiot is dogmatic adherence to ideas not questioned. For such people, defense of their subscribed views is more important than the actual views. They can't really reason or understand their views, only fight for their acceptance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I define intelligence as asking the right questions .
This entails the curiosity needed to ask questions in the first place , and the insight to define exactly what it is you do n't know.I like your requirement of openness .
The hallmark of an idiot is dogmatic adherence to ideas not questioned .
For such people , defense of their subscribed views is more important than the actual views .
They ca n't really reason or understand their views , only fight for their acceptance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I define intelligence as asking the right questions.
This entails the curiosity needed to ask questions in the first place, and the insight to define exactly what it is you don't know.I like your requirement of openness.
The hallmark of an idiot is dogmatic adherence to ideas not questioned.
For such people, defense of their subscribed views is more important than the actual views.
They can't really reason or understand their views, only fight for their acceptance.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29991248</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257013620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Spoken like a true whitey. Think of all the prejudice you've endured, then ask yourself - have I ever been followed in a store due to the colour of my skin? Have I ever been assulted for my sexuality? Have I ever been denied a job due to my sex? Has in fact anything bad ever happened to me due to these factors? Suck it up whitey, you've lived a blessed life free from the true horrors that prejudice can bring.</p><p>-signed another straight male Christian whitey.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Spoken like a true whitey .
Think of all the prejudice you 've endured , then ask yourself - have I ever been followed in a store due to the colour of my skin ?
Have I ever been assulted for my sexuality ?
Have I ever been denied a job due to my sex ?
Has in fact anything bad ever happened to me due to these factors ?
Suck it up whitey , you 've lived a blessed life free from the true horrors that prejudice can bring.-signed another straight male Christian whitey .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spoken like a true whitey.
Think of all the prejudice you've endured, then ask yourself - have I ever been followed in a store due to the colour of my skin?
Have I ever been assulted for my sexuality?
Have I ever been denied a job due to my sex?
Has in fact anything bad ever happened to me due to these factors?
Suck it up whitey, you've lived a blessed life free from the true horrors that prejudice can bring.-signed another straight male Christian whitey.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29985990</id>
	<title>Re:Western IQ Box</title>
	<author>ring-eldest</author>
	<datestamp>1256984820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is a common argument... but just because a test is not "culture free" doesn't mean it's worthless.  If we measure the IQ of the son of an immigrant Kalahari bushman and it's, say, 79, that is an important measure despite being "ethnocentric" (and quite frankly not everything that is specific to one culture is bad).  It is still useful information when you want to know things like how well the boy will do in an American school system.  <br>
<br>
Does it mean he's stupid?  Not at all... A skill set valued in the desert (let's say, fast reaction time and a concrete approach to problem solving) is simply undervalued in the school system here.  Should we redefine the tests to suit his cultural background, where in all likelihood he will score higher, just to assuage whatever bad feelings we have?  I think that would be pointless--whereas knowing that the child is NOT using those skills that we value in our society, those skills that tend to go along with good grades and a good job, is a useful thing indeed.  <br>
<br>
So yeah, if the ultimate goal of IQ tests is to put value judgments on people you're absolutely right.  It is not fair to label the kid.  But if the goal is to devise teaching interventions to help him succeed in our schools and in our culture it is kind of nice to be able to see where he is deviating from the norm.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is a common argument... but just because a test is not " culture free " does n't mean it 's worthless .
If we measure the IQ of the son of an immigrant Kalahari bushman and it 's , say , 79 , that is an important measure despite being " ethnocentric " ( and quite frankly not everything that is specific to one culture is bad ) .
It is still useful information when you want to know things like how well the boy will do in an American school system .
Does it mean he 's stupid ?
Not at all... A skill set valued in the desert ( let 's say , fast reaction time and a concrete approach to problem solving ) is simply undervalued in the school system here .
Should we redefine the tests to suit his cultural background , where in all likelihood he will score higher , just to assuage whatever bad feelings we have ?
I think that would be pointless--whereas knowing that the child is NOT using those skills that we value in our society , those skills that tend to go along with good grades and a good job , is a useful thing indeed .
So yeah , if the ultimate goal of IQ tests is to put value judgments on people you 're absolutely right .
It is not fair to label the kid .
But if the goal is to devise teaching interventions to help him succeed in our schools and in our culture it is kind of nice to be able to see where he is deviating from the norm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is a common argument... but just because a test is not "culture free" doesn't mean it's worthless.
If we measure the IQ of the son of an immigrant Kalahari bushman and it's, say, 79, that is an important measure despite being "ethnocentric" (and quite frankly not everything that is specific to one culture is bad).
It is still useful information when you want to know things like how well the boy will do in an American school system.
Does it mean he's stupid?
Not at all... A skill set valued in the desert (let's say, fast reaction time and a concrete approach to problem solving) is simply undervalued in the school system here.
Should we redefine the tests to suit his cultural background, where in all likelihood he will score higher, just to assuage whatever bad feelings we have?
I think that would be pointless--whereas knowing that the child is NOT using those skills that we value in our society, those skills that tend to go along with good grades and a good job, is a useful thing indeed.
So yeah, if the ultimate goal of IQ tests is to put value judgments on people you're absolutely right.
It is not fair to label the kid.
But if the goal is to devise teaching interventions to help him succeed in our schools and in our culture it is kind of nice to be able to see where he is deviating from the norm.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983512</id>
	<title>Re:INT vs WIS</title>
	<author>Darinbob</author>
	<datestamp>1257020520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I rolled an 18 on my Munchkin stat, which trumps the others.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I rolled an 18 on my Munchkin stat , which trumps the others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I rolled an 18 on my Munchkin stat, which trumps the others.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982878</id>
	<title>Old saying as true as ever:</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1257018840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Wisdom and intelligence are NOT the same thing."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Wisdom and intelligence are NOT the same thing .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Wisdom and intelligence are NOT the same thing.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29989736</id>
	<title>Know too well from experience</title>
	<author>Rising Ape</author>
	<datestamp>1257001680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I'm pretty smart in an academic sense (physics PhD graduate, always found that stuff fairly easy to grasp), when it comes to actually getting things done I'm quite hopeless, and less "smart" people would run circles round me. I mean things like finding a job, organizing on holiday, deciding which  to buy (unless tech related), all seem unreasonably hard due to the huge uncertainties involved and the lack of a straightforward structure for analysis and decision making.</p><p>I'd probably do a lot better being stupid but more tolerant of uncertainty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I 'm pretty smart in an academic sense ( physics PhD graduate , always found that stuff fairly easy to grasp ) , when it comes to actually getting things done I 'm quite hopeless , and less " smart " people would run circles round me .
I mean things like finding a job , organizing on holiday , deciding which to buy ( unless tech related ) , all seem unreasonably hard due to the huge uncertainties involved and the lack of a straightforward structure for analysis and decision making.I 'd probably do a lot better being stupid but more tolerant of uncertainty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I'm pretty smart in an academic sense (physics PhD graduate, always found that stuff fairly easy to grasp), when it comes to actually getting things done I'm quite hopeless, and less "smart" people would run circles round me.
I mean things like finding a job, organizing on holiday, deciding which  to buy (unless tech related), all seem unreasonably hard due to the huge uncertainties involved and the lack of a straightforward structure for analysis and decision making.I'd probably do a lot better being stupid but more tolerant of uncertainty.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983840</id>
	<title>IQ means very little...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257021480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...almost nothing, in fact.</p><p>I graduated high school 3rd out of a graduating class of 650, and if it weren't for the fact that I was lazy, I could have almost effortlessly beat out the number 1 and 2 people, both of which have frequently and openly stated (without any prompting or boasting from me) that I was way smarter than them. Math and science were subjects that I mastered with almost zero effort. Got accepted into the EECS program at U.C. Berkeley right out of high school, and thought for sure my superior IQ would result in things just falling into my lap, without me having to exert myself physically or mentally.</p><p>You can probably guess how this story played out. I got my ass handed to me at Berkeley. Not because I lacked the mental capacity to understand the course material, but because I was utterly lazy and unmotivated. I spent 3 years there trying to muster the drive and motivation required to succeed, and watching my grades see-saw between A's and D's, before finally dropping out one year shy of graduating.</p><p>I learned a hard lesson about what it takes to succeed. A high IQ and a buck will get you a cup of coffee, but if you're lacking in any number of other qualities (not least of which are discipline, determination, strong work ethic, imagination, etc), you're no better off than anyone else, regardless of IQ.</p><p>I used to think IQ was what it was all about, and I thought the guys with the big IQs were gods among men. Not so anymore. Nowadays, the people I really admire, and try to emulate, are those who have the discipline to make the best out of the cards they've been dealt. I look at people who are doing menial jobs, yet have a really strong work ethic, and I think to myself "That person is a better human being than I'll ever be." Having a high IQ and lacking the ability to put it to good use is a complete waste.</p><p>It's been nearly 20 years since I graduated high school, and I've worked hard to learn all those valuable life skills I was so lacking in back then. My self-discipline and work ethic are vastly improved, but I'd still gladly trade 20 IQ points to be truly passionate about something, or to have a stronger imagination, or to have the drive and determination to actually follow through on any of the numerous half-finished projects I've started over the years. And I'm still blown away by people who might only have 80\% of my IQ, but who have all those other qualities in spades.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...almost nothing , in fact.I graduated high school 3rd out of a graduating class of 650 , and if it were n't for the fact that I was lazy , I could have almost effortlessly beat out the number 1 and 2 people , both of which have frequently and openly stated ( without any prompting or boasting from me ) that I was way smarter than them .
Math and science were subjects that I mastered with almost zero effort .
Got accepted into the EECS program at U.C .
Berkeley right out of high school , and thought for sure my superior IQ would result in things just falling into my lap , without me having to exert myself physically or mentally.You can probably guess how this story played out .
I got my ass handed to me at Berkeley .
Not because I lacked the mental capacity to understand the course material , but because I was utterly lazy and unmotivated .
I spent 3 years there trying to muster the drive and motivation required to succeed , and watching my grades see-saw between A 's and D 's , before finally dropping out one year shy of graduating.I learned a hard lesson about what it takes to succeed .
A high IQ and a buck will get you a cup of coffee , but if you 're lacking in any number of other qualities ( not least of which are discipline , determination , strong work ethic , imagination , etc ) , you 're no better off than anyone else , regardless of IQ.I used to think IQ was what it was all about , and I thought the guys with the big IQs were gods among men .
Not so anymore .
Nowadays , the people I really admire , and try to emulate , are those who have the discipline to make the best out of the cards they 've been dealt .
I look at people who are doing menial jobs , yet have a really strong work ethic , and I think to myself " That person is a better human being than I 'll ever be .
" Having a high IQ and lacking the ability to put it to good use is a complete waste.It 's been nearly 20 years since I graduated high school , and I 've worked hard to learn all those valuable life skills I was so lacking in back then .
My self-discipline and work ethic are vastly improved , but I 'd still gladly trade 20 IQ points to be truly passionate about something , or to have a stronger imagination , or to have the drive and determination to actually follow through on any of the numerous half-finished projects I 've started over the years .
And I 'm still blown away by people who might only have 80 \ % of my IQ , but who have all those other qualities in spades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...almost nothing, in fact.I graduated high school 3rd out of a graduating class of 650, and if it weren't for the fact that I was lazy, I could have almost effortlessly beat out the number 1 and 2 people, both of which have frequently and openly stated (without any prompting or boasting from me) that I was way smarter than them.
Math and science were subjects that I mastered with almost zero effort.
Got accepted into the EECS program at U.C.
Berkeley right out of high school, and thought for sure my superior IQ would result in things just falling into my lap, without me having to exert myself physically or mentally.You can probably guess how this story played out.
I got my ass handed to me at Berkeley.
Not because I lacked the mental capacity to understand the course material, but because I was utterly lazy and unmotivated.
I spent 3 years there trying to muster the drive and motivation required to succeed, and watching my grades see-saw between A's and D's, before finally dropping out one year shy of graduating.I learned a hard lesson about what it takes to succeed.
A high IQ and a buck will get you a cup of coffee, but if you're lacking in any number of other qualities (not least of which are discipline, determination, strong work ethic, imagination, etc), you're no better off than anyone else, regardless of IQ.I used to think IQ was what it was all about, and I thought the guys with the big IQs were gods among men.
Not so anymore.
Nowadays, the people I really admire, and try to emulate, are those who have the discipline to make the best out of the cards they've been dealt.
I look at people who are doing menial jobs, yet have a really strong work ethic, and I think to myself "That person is a better human being than I'll ever be.
" Having a high IQ and lacking the ability to put it to good use is a complete waste.It's been nearly 20 years since I graduated high school, and I've worked hard to learn all those valuable life skills I was so lacking in back then.
My self-discipline and work ethic are vastly improved, but I'd still gladly trade 20 IQ points to be truly passionate about something, or to have a stronger imagination, or to have the drive and determination to actually follow through on any of the numerous half-finished projects I've started over the years.
And I'm still blown away by people who might only have 80\% of my IQ, but who have all those other qualities in spades.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>smchris</author>
	<datestamp>1257007800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><em>That said, I'm an "intellectual" with a fairly high IQ last time I checked, yet I still get along with most people. It's just that I don't have very strong friendships with people who are mostly "normal" and I tend to drift away from them.</em></p><p>You got it.  You can \_fake\_ normal long enough to get by now and then.  Not unusual.  People with high IQs are often more culturally experienced.  Multi-class experiences and travel correlate with better employments.  I grew up in a backwater and when I get back I sometimes hear about so-and-so's brother/cousin/etc who has money and has traveled the world yet he seems like such a regular guy.  Duh.  They never stop to think that if you've drunk fermented yak milk in Mongolia, you can chat them up in North Dakota for an hour.  It's mostly Rogerian technique and mingling tips, right?  Just get them talking about their favorite hunt, sport, car, TV show.  "What do you like most?"  "What really excites you about that?"  Blah-blah.  The problem comes when you mention that you're saving up for an O-III galactic filter for your reflector for Xmas and they turn and look at you like you stepped out of the fucking X-Files.  Which is the problem with all the "don't you know how to get along with people" advise.  Yes, you can be \_friendly\_ to other people but will they ever be a \_friend\_ to you?  Or are you just too frackin' weird for their boundaries?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That said , I 'm an " intellectual " with a fairly high IQ last time I checked , yet I still get along with most people .
It 's just that I do n't have very strong friendships with people who are mostly " normal " and I tend to drift away from them.You got it .
You can \ _fake \ _ normal long enough to get by now and then .
Not unusual .
People with high IQs are often more culturally experienced .
Multi-class experiences and travel correlate with better employments .
I grew up in a backwater and when I get back I sometimes hear about so-and-so 's brother/cousin/etc who has money and has traveled the world yet he seems like such a regular guy .
Duh. They never stop to think that if you 've drunk fermented yak milk in Mongolia , you can chat them up in North Dakota for an hour .
It 's mostly Rogerian technique and mingling tips , right ?
Just get them talking about their favorite hunt , sport , car , TV show .
" What do you like most ?
" " What really excites you about that ?
" Blah-blah .
The problem comes when you mention that you 're saving up for an O-III galactic filter for your reflector for Xmas and they turn and look at you like you stepped out of the fucking X-Files .
Which is the problem with all the " do n't you know how to get along with people " advise .
Yes , you can be \ _friendly \ _ to other people but will they ever be a \ _friend \ _ to you ?
Or are you just too frackin ' weird for their boundaries ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That said, I'm an "intellectual" with a fairly high IQ last time I checked, yet I still get along with most people.
It's just that I don't have very strong friendships with people who are mostly "normal" and I tend to drift away from them.You got it.
You can \_fake\_ normal long enough to get by now and then.
Not unusual.
People with high IQs are often more culturally experienced.
Multi-class experiences and travel correlate with better employments.
I grew up in a backwater and when I get back I sometimes hear about so-and-so's brother/cousin/etc who has money and has traveled the world yet he seems like such a regular guy.
Duh.  They never stop to think that if you've drunk fermented yak milk in Mongolia, you can chat them up in North Dakota for an hour.
It's mostly Rogerian technique and mingling tips, right?
Just get them talking about their favorite hunt, sport, car, TV show.
"What do you like most?
"  "What really excites you about that?
"  Blah-blah.
The problem comes when you mention that you're saving up for an O-III galactic filter for your reflector for Xmas and they turn and look at you like you stepped out of the fucking X-Files.
Which is the problem with all the "don't you know how to get along with people" advise.
Yes, you can be \_friendly\_ to other people but will they ever be a \_friend\_ to you?
Or are you just too frackin' weird for their boundaries?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:IQ doesn't measure common sense.</title>
	<author>mikael\_j</author>
	<datestamp>1257015840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Well, from what I've seen it seems that the whole "high IQ =&gt; fails in the army" thing could be better described as "people who try to think for themselves, are creative and question authority generally have trouble with starting at the bottom of strictly hierarchical organisations where you're expected to just conform and follow orders no matter how stupid the orders may be".</p><p>(Most people I've known who started military careers and have risen through the ranks were great at following orders and just doing what others told them to do)</p><p>So I doubt it's just an IQ thing, it's more that in the military (any military) you're expected to conform and just do as you're told, someone for whom it comes naturally to try creative "outside the box" solutions to problems or who simply has a higher than average ability to analyze problems and figure out solutions is likely to not fit in, something that is true in any organisation that tries to fit everyone into a Lowest Common Denominator role.</p><p>/Mikael</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , from what I 've seen it seems that the whole " high IQ = &gt; fails in the army " thing could be better described as " people who try to think for themselves , are creative and question authority generally have trouble with starting at the bottom of strictly hierarchical organisations where you 're expected to just conform and follow orders no matter how stupid the orders may be " .
( Most people I 've known who started military careers and have risen through the ranks were great at following orders and just doing what others told them to do ) So I doubt it 's just an IQ thing , it 's more that in the military ( any military ) you 're expected to conform and just do as you 're told , someone for whom it comes naturally to try creative " outside the box " solutions to problems or who simply has a higher than average ability to analyze problems and figure out solutions is likely to not fit in , something that is true in any organisation that tries to fit everyone into a Lowest Common Denominator role./Mikael</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, from what I've seen it seems that the whole "high IQ =&gt; fails in the army" thing could be better described as "people who try to think for themselves, are creative and question authority generally have trouble with starting at the bottom of strictly hierarchical organisations where you're expected to just conform and follow orders no matter how stupid the orders may be".
(Most people I've known who started military careers and have risen through the ranks were great at following orders and just doing what others told them to do)So I doubt it's just an IQ thing, it's more that in the military (any military) you're expected to conform and just do as you're told, someone for whom it comes naturally to try creative "outside the box" solutions to problems or who simply has a higher than average ability to analyze problems and figure out solutions is likely to not fit in, something that is true in any organisation that tries to fit everyone into a Lowest Common Denominator role./Mikael</sentencetext>
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	<title>This is a good summary</title>
	<author>Xaedalus</author>
	<datestamp>1257019860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Thank you for posting this so succinctly. If I had mod points, I'd use them<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you for posting this so succinctly .
If I had mod points , I 'd use them : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you for posting this so succinctly.
If I had mod points, I'd use them :-)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Western IQ Box</title>
	<author>smitty777</author>
	<datestamp>1257013620000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I find that our "advanced" tests, such as the Wechsler IQ, provide a quite narrow and ethnocentric view of intelligence.  Many "underdeveloped societies have multiple scales for measuring intelligence that our tests don't even touch on, such as social skills and dexterity.</p><p>You may now proceed with the gaming and nerd humor jokes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find that our " advanced " tests , such as the Wechsler IQ , provide a quite narrow and ethnocentric view of intelligence .
Many " underdeveloped societies have multiple scales for measuring intelligence that our tests do n't even touch on , such as social skills and dexterity.You may now proceed with the gaming and nerd humor jokes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find that our "advanced" tests, such as the Wechsler IQ, provide a quite narrow and ethnocentric view of intelligence.
Many "underdeveloped societies have multiple scales for measuring intelligence that our tests don't even touch on, such as social skills and dexterity.You may now proceed with the gaming and nerd humor jokes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982452</id>
	<title>Why a High IQ Doesn't Mean You're Smart</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257017640000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I'll take the U.S. Senate for $400, Alex.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll take the U.S. Senate for $ 400 , Alex .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll take the U.S. Senate for $400, Alex.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257453360000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I've heard comedians say that members of stereotyped groups can sometimes be highly sensitive of exhibiting those stereotypes.  For example, a black person feeling self-conscious of ordering fried chicken, a person from the American rural south concerned that their accent will make them sound poor, or a Jewish person reluctant to join a conversation about high gas prices.</p><p>Since, as you pointed out, repeatedly, that you are a "conservative, white, heterosexual, Christian male" you're afraid of appearing to others to conform to your stereotype, one of arrogance, intolerance, and racism.  You're so hyper-sensitive ("source of all the world's problems according to many") that you make all these overtures and to try to mitigate the way you perceive others see you.  You can't view things objectively if you are so actively skewing your own perception out of fear.  Free your mind man.</p><p>--Fellow CWHC</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've heard comedians say that members of stereotyped groups can sometimes be highly sensitive of exhibiting those stereotypes .
For example , a black person feeling self-conscious of ordering fried chicken , a person from the American rural south concerned that their accent will make them sound poor , or a Jewish person reluctant to join a conversation about high gas prices.Since , as you pointed out , repeatedly , that you are a " conservative , white , heterosexual , Christian male " you 're afraid of appearing to others to conform to your stereotype , one of arrogance , intolerance , and racism .
You 're so hyper-sensitive ( " source of all the world 's problems according to many " ) that you make all these overtures and to try to mitigate the way you perceive others see you .
You ca n't view things objectively if you are so actively skewing your own perception out of fear .
Free your mind man.--Fellow CWHC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard comedians say that members of stereotyped groups can sometimes be highly sensitive of exhibiting those stereotypes.
For example, a black person feeling self-conscious of ordering fried chicken, a person from the American rural south concerned that their accent will make them sound poor, or a Jewish person reluctant to join a conversation about high gas prices.Since, as you pointed out, repeatedly, that you are a "conservative, white, heterosexual, Christian male" you're afraid of appearing to others to conform to your stereotype, one of arrogance, intolerance, and racism.
You're so hyper-sensitive ("source of all the world's problems according to many") that you make all these overtures and to try to mitigate the way you perceive others see you.
You can't view things objectively if you are so actively skewing your own perception out of fear.
Free your mind man.--Fellow CWHC</sentencetext>
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	<title>Hi IQ can be a problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257014160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>High IQ is no benefit on the job; once you have the minimum required.  More education also does not help.  If the job's basic requirement is a PEng., having a Masters or PhD does you no good.</p><p>Over the years, there have been many studies supporting the above statement.  The latest I have noticed is the Harvard Longitudinal Study of Adult Development.  It started studying a group of Harvard students in 1942 and it is still ongoing.  The ONLY reliable predictor that they could find, for almost any outcome, is the nature of a person's relationships as a child and as a young adult.  Social class, intelligence, or anything else that they could think of, couldn't be used to predict a person's outcomes: income, social status, marriage, health, etc., etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>High IQ is no benefit on the job ; once you have the minimum required .
More education also does not help .
If the job 's basic requirement is a PEng. , having a Masters or PhD does you no good.Over the years , there have been many studies supporting the above statement .
The latest I have noticed is the Harvard Longitudinal Study of Adult Development .
It started studying a group of Harvard students in 1942 and it is still ongoing .
The ONLY reliable predictor that they could find , for almost any outcome , is the nature of a person 's relationships as a child and as a young adult .
Social class , intelligence , or anything else that they could think of , could n't be used to predict a person 's outcomes : income , social status , marriage , health , etc. , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>High IQ is no benefit on the job; once you have the minimum required.
More education also does not help.
If the job's basic requirement is a PEng., having a Masters or PhD does you no good.Over the years, there have been many studies supporting the above statement.
The latest I have noticed is the Harvard Longitudinal Study of Adult Development.
It started studying a group of Harvard students in 1942 and it is still ongoing.
The ONLY reliable predictor that they could find, for almost any outcome, is the nature of a person's relationships as a child and as a young adult.
Social class, intelligence, or anything else that they could think of, couldn't be used to predict a person's outcomes: income, social status, marriage, health, etc., etc.</sentencetext>
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	<title>IQ not valid for adults?</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1256982240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Maybe I remember incorrectly, but I thought I learned in Psych 101 that Intelligence Quotients were designed to compare the relative intelligence development...IN CHILDREN. I remember something after the age of 12-ish that the quotient is no longer valid, as the test measurement devices end at that level of development.  Not the case? Any psychology experts out there?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe I remember incorrectly , but I thought I learned in Psych 101 that Intelligence Quotients were designed to compare the relative intelligence development...IN CHILDREN .
I remember something after the age of 12-ish that the quotient is no longer valid , as the test measurement devices end at that level of development .
Not the case ?
Any psychology experts out there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe I remember incorrectly, but I thought I learned in Psych 101 that Intelligence Quotients were designed to compare the relative intelligence development...IN CHILDREN.
I remember something after the age of 12-ish that the quotient is no longer valid, as the test measurement devices end at that level of development.
Not the case?
Any psychology experts out there?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256989620000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Brother, I feel your pain.  I am similarly up there at a ridiculous 180, yet do I live the high life, working for NASA or on a post-doc at MIT?  No.  I get bored easily and in primary and secondary school tended to fall behind in math and science because I just didn't care or pay attention.  I got frustrated with the slow pace of things so didn't I bother to show up for class most of the time, particularly in university.  I got crap grades in math and physics because they were all problem-based and I frankly just didn't get it half the time because I'd spend 90\% of the quantum mech course thinking about what the square well and young's double slits experiment said about the existence of God or randomness in the universe.  I must have seemed horrendously pretentious (and undeservedly so) and snotty to everyone else.  I often came across as a math idiot because I failed partial differential equations II twice, and got a 42\% in imaginary algebra and calculus.  I performed very poorly throughout a university degree in physics and felt awful because I couldn't understand why I could see how in my head math and functions worked but just couldn't "get" how to work with it in mathematical notations.

I understand that I am "gifted" but it's so awful to just not be able to perform in the expected areas of intelligence.  It's like the ultimate failure with no good reason.  I see how things could be arranged better in society, in the places I've worked, in school, and for years have pointed out strengths, flaws and potential problems with things, and suggested ways to improve processes.  Instead of being rewarded for helping out, I get labelled as a nay-sayer, a griefer, a troublemaker.  I get drummed out of places because nobody likes being told that their system is inefficient or plain wrong.  They don't even like hearing suggestions on how to improve because it implies they weren't a perfect, unique snowflake like they grew up being told by parents.  We seem to live in a society where people think mistakes are shameful instead of opportunities and where nobody wants to take responsibility for mistakes because to do so is tantamount to being fired and/or sued.

So after awhile, like you, I just shut up.  I started shutting down and stopped offering solutions because NOT ONCE in my life has doing so actually helped ME in any way.  Sure for awhile it feels nice to "do the right thing" and suggest solutions, not looking for personal gain, but after awhile you can't help but become jaded when half the time you get ignored and the other half you get actively punished for attempting to help.  You still feel all the frustration at having to live in systems that are designed horrendously poorly but not being able to do anything about it, in fear of drawing negative attention to yourself.  Eventually, one can end up feeling completely powerless in the world despite being, ironically, a powerful intellect and someone with whom power to change might actually do the most good.

Worst, I often find myself the victim of Themistocles syndrome where the more succesful and confident you appear to be to others, the more they seem determined to try and bring you down.

In the end I often feel stupid and frustrated that I'm not able to capitalize on intelligence to the traditional model of success in society.  I can't factor fifth order polynomials in my head.  I don't have a photographic memory.  So I just feel like half a failure, like this "gift" of intelligence is in fact a curse - like being Cassandra in The Iliad: she has the gift of prophecy, but is systematically ignored.  IIRC she ends up meeting a very unfortunate end.  So, better to just keep the mouth shut and pretend to be a regular person like everyone else and not draw attention.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Brother , I feel your pain .
I am similarly up there at a ridiculous 180 , yet do I live the high life , working for NASA or on a post-doc at MIT ?
No. I get bored easily and in primary and secondary school tended to fall behind in math and science because I just did n't care or pay attention .
I got frustrated with the slow pace of things so did n't I bother to show up for class most of the time , particularly in university .
I got crap grades in math and physics because they were all problem-based and I frankly just did n't get it half the time because I 'd spend 90 \ % of the quantum mech course thinking about what the square well and young 's double slits experiment said about the existence of God or randomness in the universe .
I must have seemed horrendously pretentious ( and undeservedly so ) and snotty to everyone else .
I often came across as a math idiot because I failed partial differential equations II twice , and got a 42 \ % in imaginary algebra and calculus .
I performed very poorly throughout a university degree in physics and felt awful because I could n't understand why I could see how in my head math and functions worked but just could n't " get " how to work with it in mathematical notations .
I understand that I am " gifted " but it 's so awful to just not be able to perform in the expected areas of intelligence .
It 's like the ultimate failure with no good reason .
I see how things could be arranged better in society , in the places I 've worked , in school , and for years have pointed out strengths , flaws and potential problems with things , and suggested ways to improve processes .
Instead of being rewarded for helping out , I get labelled as a nay-sayer , a griefer , a troublemaker .
I get drummed out of places because nobody likes being told that their system is inefficient or plain wrong .
They do n't even like hearing suggestions on how to improve because it implies they were n't a perfect , unique snowflake like they grew up being told by parents .
We seem to live in a society where people think mistakes are shameful instead of opportunities and where nobody wants to take responsibility for mistakes because to do so is tantamount to being fired and/or sued .
So after awhile , like you , I just shut up .
I started shutting down and stopped offering solutions because NOT ONCE in my life has doing so actually helped ME in any way .
Sure for awhile it feels nice to " do the right thing " and suggest solutions , not looking for personal gain , but after awhile you ca n't help but become jaded when half the time you get ignored and the other half you get actively punished for attempting to help .
You still feel all the frustration at having to live in systems that are designed horrendously poorly but not being able to do anything about it , in fear of drawing negative attention to yourself .
Eventually , one can end up feeling completely powerless in the world despite being , ironically , a powerful intellect and someone with whom power to change might actually do the most good .
Worst , I often find myself the victim of Themistocles syndrome where the more succesful and confident you appear to be to others , the more they seem determined to try and bring you down .
In the end I often feel stupid and frustrated that I 'm not able to capitalize on intelligence to the traditional model of success in society .
I ca n't factor fifth order polynomials in my head .
I do n't have a photographic memory .
So I just feel like half a failure , like this " gift " of intelligence is in fact a curse - like being Cassandra in The Iliad : she has the gift of prophecy , but is systematically ignored .
IIRC she ends up meeting a very unfortunate end .
So , better to just keep the mouth shut and pretend to be a regular person like everyone else and not draw attention .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Brother, I feel your pain.
I am similarly up there at a ridiculous 180, yet do I live the high life, working for NASA or on a post-doc at MIT?
No.  I get bored easily and in primary and secondary school tended to fall behind in math and science because I just didn't care or pay attention.
I got frustrated with the slow pace of things so didn't I bother to show up for class most of the time, particularly in university.
I got crap grades in math and physics because they were all problem-based and I frankly just didn't get it half the time because I'd spend 90\% of the quantum mech course thinking about what the square well and young's double slits experiment said about the existence of God or randomness in the universe.
I must have seemed horrendously pretentious (and undeservedly so) and snotty to everyone else.
I often came across as a math idiot because I failed partial differential equations II twice, and got a 42\% in imaginary algebra and calculus.
I performed very poorly throughout a university degree in physics and felt awful because I couldn't understand why I could see how in my head math and functions worked but just couldn't "get" how to work with it in mathematical notations.
I understand that I am "gifted" but it's so awful to just not be able to perform in the expected areas of intelligence.
It's like the ultimate failure with no good reason.
I see how things could be arranged better in society, in the places I've worked, in school, and for years have pointed out strengths, flaws and potential problems with things, and suggested ways to improve processes.
Instead of being rewarded for helping out, I get labelled as a nay-sayer, a griefer, a troublemaker.
I get drummed out of places because nobody likes being told that their system is inefficient or plain wrong.
They don't even like hearing suggestions on how to improve because it implies they weren't a perfect, unique snowflake like they grew up being told by parents.
We seem to live in a society where people think mistakes are shameful instead of opportunities and where nobody wants to take responsibility for mistakes because to do so is tantamount to being fired and/or sued.
So after awhile, like you, I just shut up.
I started shutting down and stopped offering solutions because NOT ONCE in my life has doing so actually helped ME in any way.
Sure for awhile it feels nice to "do the right thing" and suggest solutions, not looking for personal gain, but after awhile you can't help but become jaded when half the time you get ignored and the other half you get actively punished for attempting to help.
You still feel all the frustration at having to live in systems that are designed horrendously poorly but not being able to do anything about it, in fear of drawing negative attention to yourself.
Eventually, one can end up feeling completely powerless in the world despite being, ironically, a powerful intellect and someone with whom power to change might actually do the most good.
Worst, I often find myself the victim of Themistocles syndrome where the more succesful and confident you appear to be to others, the more they seem determined to try and bring you down.
In the end I often feel stupid and frustrated that I'm not able to capitalize on intelligence to the traditional model of success in society.
I can't factor fifth order polynomials in my head.
I don't have a photographic memory.
So I just feel like half a failure, like this "gift" of intelligence is in fact a curse - like being Cassandra in The Iliad: she has the gift of prophecy, but is systematically ignored.
IIRC she ends up meeting a very unfortunate end.
So, better to just keep the mouth shut and pretend to be a regular person like everyone else and not draw attention.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983132</id>
	<title>Re:yes you can read about commonsense</title>
	<author>StormyWeather</author>
	<datestamp>1257019500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Umm, yes you can?  If you couldn't read your way to common sense you just might just be SOL.  You would likely have to learn every single lesson the hard way.</p><p>Dave Ramsey:<br>Financial Peace University</p><p>Thomas J Stanley<br>Stop Acting Rich:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...And Start Living Like A Real Millionaire<br>The Millionaire Next Door<br>The Millionaire Mind</p><p>John Miller<br>QBQ!</p><p>David Allen<br>Getting Things Done</p><p>Stephen R. Covey<br>The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People</p><p>The One Minute Manager<br>M.D. Spencer Johnson</p><p>There's the start to your reading list.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , yes you can ?
If you could n't read your way to common sense you just might just be SOL .
You would likely have to learn every single lesson the hard way.Dave Ramsey : Financial Peace UniversityThomas J StanleyStop Acting Rich : ...And Start Living Like A Real MillionaireThe Millionaire Next DoorThe Millionaire MindJohn MillerQBQ ! David AllenGetting Things DoneStephen R. CoveyThe Seven Habits of Highly Effective PeopleThe One Minute ManagerM.D .
Spencer JohnsonThere 's the start to your reading list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, yes you can?
If you couldn't read your way to common sense you just might just be SOL.
You would likely have to learn every single lesson the hard way.Dave Ramsey:Financial Peace UniversityThomas J StanleyStop Acting Rich: ...And Start Living Like A Real MillionaireThe Millionaire Next DoorThe Millionaire MindJohn MillerQBQ!David AllenGetting Things DoneStephen R. CoveyThe Seven Habits of Highly Effective PeopleThe One Minute ManagerM.D.
Spencer JohnsonThere's the start to your reading list.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29989498</id>
	<title>IQ</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257000180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Test can only can test what is testable. e.g. There are bugs pass testes that is originated from bad software design.<br>I guess IQ can be same as bugs, which could be randomly occur and level on how you were developed from child.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Test can only can test what is testable .
e.g. There are bugs pass testes that is originated from bad software design.I guess IQ can be same as bugs , which could be randomly occur and level on how you were developed from child .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Test can only can test what is testable.
e.g. There are bugs pass testes that is originated from bad software design.I guess IQ can be same as bugs, which could be randomly occur and level on how you were developed from child.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29986654</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone with many high IQ scores across most of the tests out there (things like a 172 on the Manticore. You do not want to know my Titan scores.) I'd like to think that at 160 you'd know enough to not post your IQ on Slashdot.</p><p>DOH!</p><p>Keith Stanovich, from Hell's heart I stab at thee!</p><p>PS: I actually love threads where posting your IQ score can be considered trolling. Did I say threads? I meant websites.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone with many high IQ scores across most of the tests out there ( things like a 172 on the Manticore .
You do not want to know my Titan scores .
) I 'd like to think that at 160 you 'd know enough to not post your IQ on Slashdot.DOH ! Keith Stanovich , from Hell 's heart I stab at thee ! PS : I actually love threads where posting your IQ score can be considered trolling .
Did I say threads ?
I meant websites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone with many high IQ scores across most of the tests out there (things like a 172 on the Manticore.
You do not want to know my Titan scores.
) I'd like to think that at 160 you'd know enough to not post your IQ on Slashdot.DOH!Keith Stanovich, from Hell's heart I stab at thee!PS: I actually love threads where posting your IQ score can be considered trolling.
Did I say threads?
I meant websites.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982638</id>
	<title>Re: Amen</title>
	<author>teumesmo</author>
	<datestamp>1257018120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>"A feign within a feign, within a feign" Dune<br><br>Perhaps he just wanted to be rid of your company.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br><br>Unless you know him to be really fixed on your wife, of course.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>" A feign within a feign , within a feign " DunePerhaps he just wanted to be rid of your company .
: ) Unless you know him to be really fixed on your wife , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A feign within a feign, within a feign" DunePerhaps he just wanted to be rid of your company.
:)Unless you know him to be really fixed on your wife, of course.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982648</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257018120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't you mean ", you're just a troll."</p><p>Couldn't resist!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;o)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you mean " , you 're just a troll .
" Could n't resist !
; o )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you mean ", you're just a troll.
"Couldn't resist!
;o)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981292</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>AlexBirch</author>
	<datestamp>1257014340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are many types of "smart" yet people want to lump it into a single word. Too bad he didn't read this quote in his 15 years of grappling with this subject:<br>

"He was so learned that he could name a horse in nine languages;<br> so ignorant that he bought a cow to ride on."<br>
~ Benjamin Franklin</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are many types of " smart " yet people want to lump it into a single word .
Too bad he did n't read this quote in his 15 years of grappling with this subject : " He was so learned that he could name a horse in nine languages ; so ignorant that he bought a cow to ride on .
" ~ Benjamin Franklin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are many types of "smart" yet people want to lump it into a single word.
Too bad he didn't read this quote in his 15 years of grappling with this subject:

"He was so learned that he could name a horse in nine languages; so ignorant that he bought a cow to ride on.
"
~ Benjamin Franklin
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983156</id>
	<title>Re:It's true</title>
	<author>Gordo\_1</author>
	<datestamp>1257019560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess I'm just reminded that the brain is a complex and highly compartmentalized organ and that an individual can be truly exceptional in one area as easily as having a deficit in another.</p><p>Not sure why PhDs so often seem to be singled out as having serious deficiencies in street-smarts or day-to-day functioning, but I suspect it has something to do with specialization. Perhaps the individual becomes so singularly focused on certain abilities/topics (either due to sheer interest or as a result of deficiency avoidance) that brain centers associated with them become better developed to the detriment of others.</p><p>It's quite clear in my father, who happens to be a PhD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I 'm just reminded that the brain is a complex and highly compartmentalized organ and that an individual can be truly exceptional in one area as easily as having a deficit in another.Not sure why PhDs so often seem to be singled out as having serious deficiencies in street-smarts or day-to-day functioning , but I suspect it has something to do with specialization .
Perhaps the individual becomes so singularly focused on certain abilities/topics ( either due to sheer interest or as a result of deficiency avoidance ) that brain centers associated with them become better developed to the detriment of others.It 's quite clear in my father , who happens to be a PhD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I'm just reminded that the brain is a complex and highly compartmentalized organ and that an individual can be truly exceptional in one area as easily as having a deficit in another.Not sure why PhDs so often seem to be singled out as having serious deficiencies in street-smarts or day-to-day functioning, but I suspect it has something to do with specialization.
Perhaps the individual becomes so singularly focused on certain abilities/topics (either due to sheer interest or as a result of deficiency avoidance) that brain centers associated with them become better developed to the detriment of others.It's quite clear in my father, who happens to be a PhD.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981300</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>hallucinogen</author>
	<datestamp>1257014340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mensa and testing agencies have been making it clear for a couple decades now that IQ only measures your ability to take tests.</p></div><p>IQ tests measure your puzzle solving skills.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mensa and testing agencies have been making it clear for a couple decades now that IQ only measures your ability to take tests.IQ tests measure your puzzle solving skills .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mensa and testing agencies have been making it clear for a couple decades now that IQ only measures your ability to take tests.IQ tests measure your puzzle solving skills.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988898</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>khchung</author>
	<datestamp>1256996940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even now, in this office, my efforts to better myself and the department are being thwarted by mundane corporate politics, and a pair of managers that are a bit thick, and very resistant to change and to anyone they perceive as a threat (this is not my opinion; pretty much the whole department feels this way).</p> </div><p>Go and find another job. Seriously.</p><p>If you are really as smart as you described, you should understand by now that stupid people will stay stupid no matter how many clues you gave them. (maybe you are still young yet?)  Worse still, some stupid people hate to discover there are people smarter than they are, and your managers seem to be of this kind, trying to show them a better way will only get yourself a world of hurt, both emotionally and careerwise.</p><p>Use your smarts to find a job where your smarts can be utilized. If you have trouble with that, you may need to make some personal adjustment (attitude, social skills, etc), but you should be smart enough to handle that, right?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even now , in this office , my efforts to better myself and the department are being thwarted by mundane corporate politics , and a pair of managers that are a bit thick , and very resistant to change and to anyone they perceive as a threat ( this is not my opinion ; pretty much the whole department feels this way ) .
Go and find another job .
Seriously.If you are really as smart as you described , you should understand by now that stupid people will stay stupid no matter how many clues you gave them .
( maybe you are still young yet ?
) Worse still , some stupid people hate to discover there are people smarter than they are , and your managers seem to be of this kind , trying to show them a better way will only get yourself a world of hurt , both emotionally and careerwise.Use your smarts to find a job where your smarts can be utilized .
If you have trouble with that , you may need to make some personal adjustment ( attitude , social skills , etc ) , but you should be smart enough to handle that , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even now, in this office, my efforts to better myself and the department are being thwarted by mundane corporate politics, and a pair of managers that are a bit thick, and very resistant to change and to anyone they perceive as a threat (this is not my opinion; pretty much the whole department feels this way).
Go and find another job.
Seriously.If you are really as smart as you described, you should understand by now that stupid people will stay stupid no matter how many clues you gave them.
(maybe you are still young yet?
)  Worse still, some stupid people hate to discover there are people smarter than they are, and your managers seem to be of this kind, trying to show them a better way will only get yourself a world of hurt, both emotionally and careerwise.Use your smarts to find a job where your smarts can be utilized.
If you have trouble with that, you may need to make some personal adjustment (attitude, social skills, etc), but you should be smart enough to handle that, right?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29986990</id>
	<title>Re:It's true</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256988540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My brother-in-law is one of the smartest people I know. Earned his PhD in optical physics and does some very high-level work with it. Way above the head of anybody he explains it to. He's written some pretty intense C++ programs to handle neural-network computations of extremely complicated mathematical problems.</p><p>It will help him that you posted this on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p><p>On behalf of the other posters here I'd just like to let him know that his teenage years will be rough. There is just no getting around that.<br>Just tell him to hang on, once he is in his 20s things will get better. By his 30s he will be a lot more comfortable having finally found people like himself to hang out with. It may seem like a long way away but it is worth the wait</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My brother-in-law is one of the smartest people I know .
Earned his PhD in optical physics and does some very high-level work with it .
Way above the head of anybody he explains it to .
He 's written some pretty intense C + + programs to handle neural-network computations of extremely complicated mathematical problems.It will help him that you posted this on /.On behalf of the other posters here I 'd just like to let him know that his teenage years will be rough .
There is just no getting around that.Just tell him to hang on , once he is in his 20s things will get better .
By his 30s he will be a lot more comfortable having finally found people like himself to hang out with .
It may seem like a long way away but it is worth the wait</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My brother-in-law is one of the smartest people I know.
Earned his PhD in optical physics and does some very high-level work with it.
Way above the head of anybody he explains it to.
He's written some pretty intense C++ programs to handle neural-network computations of extremely complicated mathematical problems.It will help him that you posted this on /.On behalf of the other posters here I'd just like to let him know that his teenage years will be rough.
There is just no getting around that.Just tell him to hang on, once he is in his 20s things will get better.
By his 30s he will be a lot more comfortable having finally found people like himself to hang out with.
It may seem like a long way away but it is worth the wait</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983646</id>
	<title>Idiocracy</title>
	<author>srobert</author>
	<datestamp>1257020880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Perhaps the perceived "stupidity" of people with high IQs is simply the manifestation of their inability to communicate effectively with 'little brains'".</p><p>Reminds me of a line from the doctor in Idiocracy:</p><p>"Well, don't want to sound like a dick or nothin', but, ah... it says on your chart that you're fucked up. Ah, you talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Perhaps the perceived " stupidity " of people with high IQs is simply the manifestation of their inability to communicate effectively with 'little brains ' " .Reminds me of a line from the doctor in Idiocracy : " Well , do n't want to sound like a dick or nothin ' , but , ah... it says on your chart that you 're fucked up .
Ah , you talk like a fag , and your shit 's all retarded .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Perhaps the perceived "stupidity" of people with high IQs is simply the manifestation of their inability to communicate effectively with 'little brains'".Reminds me of a line from the doctor in Idiocracy:"Well, don't want to sound like a dick or nothin', but, ah... it says on your chart that you're fucked up.
Ah, you talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982280</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>SloppySevenths</author>
	<datestamp>1257017220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As a member of mensa with a rather high IQ (160 on the cattel 3B), </p></div><p>God damn it, Gump! You're a God damn genius! This is the most outstanding post I have ever read. You must have an I.Q. of 160.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a member of mensa with a rather high IQ ( 160 on the cattel 3B ) , God damn it , Gump !
You 're a God damn genius !
This is the most outstanding post I have ever read .
You must have an I.Q .
of 160 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a member of mensa with a rather high IQ (160 on the cattel 3B), God damn it, Gump!
You're a God damn genius!
This is the most outstanding post I have ever read.
You must have an I.Q.
of 160.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29990974</id>
	<title>Re:IQ is not the same as EQ</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257011220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>EQ is just a consolation prize for those with average IQ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>EQ is just a consolation prize for those with average IQ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EQ is just a consolation prize for those with average IQ.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982300</id>
	<title>I thought...</title>
	<author>Schnoogs</author>
	<datestamp>1257017280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...guys like Noam Chomsky already demonstrated you can have a high IQ and be a complete idiot.  How many pseudo-intellectual left-wingers does it take to illustrate this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...guys like Noam Chomsky already demonstrated you can have a high IQ and be a complete idiot .
How many pseudo-intellectual left-wingers does it take to illustrate this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...guys like Noam Chomsky already demonstrated you can have a high IQ and be a complete idiot.
How many pseudo-intellectual left-wingers does it take to illustrate this?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981140</id>
	<title>High IQ &amp; being smart</title>
	<author>xclay</author>
	<datestamp>1257013860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>A real smart person would've known this and disregarded IQ scores long ago, but some people with high IQ scores may have propped up their self-respect with the results and probably neglected to nurture their smarts...</htmltext>
<tokenext>A real smart person would 've known this and disregarded IQ scores long ago , but some people with high IQ scores may have propped up their self-respect with the results and probably neglected to nurture their smarts.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A real smart person would've known this and disregarded IQ scores long ago, but some people with high IQ scores may have propped up their self-respect with the results and probably neglected to nurture their smarts...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29995280</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>delcielo</author>
	<datestamp>1257438780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've seen some poor people that fit that mold; but I've also seen a LOT of people below the poverty line who are hard working, spend what little money they have on necessities, and receive assistance with great shame.<br><br>I spent about a decade in the restaurant business, doing everything from cook to store manager.  The conception of poverty by people who went to college and got a decent job afterward is skewed.  Most of us simply do not realize the margins that some people live on.  They can't buy that song they heard on the radio because they can't splurge $15 this week on a cd, and don't have internet access to download the song for $.99.  They buy more thread than socks.<br><br>They work two jobs because they are in debt for the full price of the last visit to the ER.  They plan their day around the bus schedule.  Weekends don't mean anything to them except that they have to now find a babysitter for the entire day, and the bus schedule is different.  Holidays mean lost pay.<br><br>The easy retort is that these people chose their life, and that they could improve it if they wished; but it's not as easy as that, and repeating it ever more loudly won't make it true.  Many of these people work every minute of the day to maintain their meager living.<br><br>They are often intelligent people who by happenstance, or societal conditioning, tragedy, or accident of birth never got many of the little opportunities that allow us who are maybe not rich but live comfortably to achieve the lifestyle we have.<br><br>I've been fortunate (or unfortunate, depending upon how you look at it) to spend time with very rich people and some very poor people.  Trying to equate IQ with either station is a fool's exercise.  Trying to generalize poor people as unmotivated, entitled, profligate spenders is no better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen some poor people that fit that mold ; but I 've also seen a LOT of people below the poverty line who are hard working , spend what little money they have on necessities , and receive assistance with great shame.I spent about a decade in the restaurant business , doing everything from cook to store manager .
The conception of poverty by people who went to college and got a decent job afterward is skewed .
Most of us simply do not realize the margins that some people live on .
They ca n't buy that song they heard on the radio because they ca n't splurge $ 15 this week on a cd , and do n't have internet access to download the song for $ .99 .
They buy more thread than socks.They work two jobs because they are in debt for the full price of the last visit to the ER .
They plan their day around the bus schedule .
Weekends do n't mean anything to them except that they have to now find a babysitter for the entire day , and the bus schedule is different .
Holidays mean lost pay.The easy retort is that these people chose their life , and that they could improve it if they wished ; but it 's not as easy as that , and repeating it ever more loudly wo n't make it true .
Many of these people work every minute of the day to maintain their meager living.They are often intelligent people who by happenstance , or societal conditioning , tragedy , or accident of birth never got many of the little opportunities that allow us who are maybe not rich but live comfortably to achieve the lifestyle we have.I 've been fortunate ( or unfortunate , depending upon how you look at it ) to spend time with very rich people and some very poor people .
Trying to equate IQ with either station is a fool 's exercise .
Trying to generalize poor people as unmotivated , entitled , profligate spenders is no better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen some poor people that fit that mold; but I've also seen a LOT of people below the poverty line who are hard working, spend what little money they have on necessities, and receive assistance with great shame.I spent about a decade in the restaurant business, doing everything from cook to store manager.
The conception of poverty by people who went to college and got a decent job afterward is skewed.
Most of us simply do not realize the margins that some people live on.
They can't buy that song they heard on the radio because they can't splurge $15 this week on a cd, and don't have internet access to download the song for $.99.
They buy more thread than socks.They work two jobs because they are in debt for the full price of the last visit to the ER.
They plan their day around the bus schedule.
Weekends don't mean anything to them except that they have to now find a babysitter for the entire day, and the bus schedule is different.
Holidays mean lost pay.The easy retort is that these people chose their life, and that they could improve it if they wished; but it's not as easy as that, and repeating it ever more loudly won't make it true.
Many of these people work every minute of the day to maintain their meager living.They are often intelligent people who by happenstance, or societal conditioning, tragedy, or accident of birth never got many of the little opportunities that allow us who are maybe not rich but live comfortably to achieve the lifestyle we have.I've been fortunate (or unfortunate, depending upon how you look at it) to spend time with very rich people and some very poor people.
Trying to equate IQ with either station is a fool's exercise.
Trying to generalize poor people as unmotivated, entitled, profligate spenders is no better.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29980956</id>
	<title>Intelligence vs Wisdom</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257013380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any RPGer knows that Prof. Stanovich is attempting to correlate INT scores with WIS scores.</p><p>Silly scientist.  No bonus priest spells for you.</p><p>/2nd Edition devotee</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any RPGer knows that Prof. Stanovich is attempting to correlate INT scores with WIS scores.Silly scientist .
No bonus priest spells for you./2nd Edition devotee</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any RPGer knows that Prof. Stanovich is attempting to correlate INT scores with WIS scores.Silly scientist.
No bonus priest spells for you./2nd Edition devotee</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988776</id>
	<title>Re:High IQ DOES mean you're smart...</title>
	<author>ex-geek</author>
	<datestamp>1256996400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Finally, somebody with perspective. It is amazing how debates about IQ on Slashdot revolve around personal anecdotes. Many on Slashdot commenters seem to be completely unaware about the state of the research and seem to be completely dismissive about the validity of IQ tests themselves. (Everybody please consult Wikipedia on the subject)</p><p>I disagree that high IQ people are inherently unable to communicate with or understand the average Joe. It is rather lack of experience in my  opinion. Slashdot nerds tend to hang out with other Slashdot nerds with similar IQs. That's not how you develop the social skills to communicate with construction workers, nurses or bartenders. I used to be as socially awkward a geek as they come, but I took the plunge and tried to hang out with regular folks and was able to adapt and feel at ease pretty quickly.<br>It is not that difficult. Don't endlessly pontificate about your field of expertise. Listen. Take your vis-&#224;-vis seriously. Show some interest in their concerns, wishes, hobbies, work or life situation. It's not rocket science.</p><p>Other high IQ professionals, like doctors or lawyers have to deal with individuals from all over the IQ spectrum and of different personality types. That is how they develop their social skills.</p><p>Lack of experience with low IQ people is possibly one of the main reasons for IQ denialism among Slashdot readers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally , somebody with perspective .
It is amazing how debates about IQ on Slashdot revolve around personal anecdotes .
Many on Slashdot commenters seem to be completely unaware about the state of the research and seem to be completely dismissive about the validity of IQ tests themselves .
( Everybody please consult Wikipedia on the subject ) I disagree that high IQ people are inherently unable to communicate with or understand the average Joe .
It is rather lack of experience in my opinion .
Slashdot nerds tend to hang out with other Slashdot nerds with similar IQs .
That 's not how you develop the social skills to communicate with construction workers , nurses or bartenders .
I used to be as socially awkward a geek as they come , but I took the plunge and tried to hang out with regular folks and was able to adapt and feel at ease pretty quickly.It is not that difficult .
Do n't endlessly pontificate about your field of expertise .
Listen. Take your vis-   -vis seriously .
Show some interest in their concerns , wishes , hobbies , work or life situation .
It 's not rocket science.Other high IQ professionals , like doctors or lawyers have to deal with individuals from all over the IQ spectrum and of different personality types .
That is how they develop their social skills.Lack of experience with low IQ people is possibly one of the main reasons for IQ denialism among Slashdot readers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally, somebody with perspective.
It is amazing how debates about IQ on Slashdot revolve around personal anecdotes.
Many on Slashdot commenters seem to be completely unaware about the state of the research and seem to be completely dismissive about the validity of IQ tests themselves.
(Everybody please consult Wikipedia on the subject)I disagree that high IQ people are inherently unable to communicate with or understand the average Joe.
It is rather lack of experience in my  opinion.
Slashdot nerds tend to hang out with other Slashdot nerds with similar IQs.
That's not how you develop the social skills to communicate with construction workers, nurses or bartenders.
I used to be as socially awkward a geek as they come, but I took the plunge and tried to hang out with regular folks and was able to adapt and feel at ease pretty quickly.It is not that difficult.
Don't endlessly pontificate about your field of expertise.
Listen. Take your vis-à-vis seriously.
Show some interest in their concerns, wishes, hobbies, work or life situation.
It's not rocket science.Other high IQ professionals, like doctors or lawyers have to deal with individuals from all over the IQ spectrum and of different personality types.
That is how they develop their social skills.Lack of experience with low IQ people is possibly one of the main reasons for IQ denialism among Slashdot readers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29997166</id>
	<title>Re:IQ is not the same as EQ</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257447960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, I love your comment, I'd never be able to put it better, I'm writing it down and coping it. Thanks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , I love your comment , I 'd never be able to put it better , I 'm writing it down and coping it .
Thanks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, I love your comment, I'd never be able to put it better, I'm writing it down and coping it.
Thanks</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29980942</id>
	<title>INT vs WIS</title>
	<author>PHPNerd</author>
	<datestamp>1257013320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Come on...everyone knows a high Intelligence score isn't the same as a high Wisdom score!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on...everyone knows a high Intelligence score is n't the same as a high Wisdom score !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on...everyone knows a high Intelligence score isn't the same as a high Wisdom score!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982324</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>tonycheese</author>
	<datestamp>1257017340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's not forgetful, that's lazy. I'm guessing you got modded up +5 because various people wanted to feel better about themselves and thought they were just like you, super smart, just bad "organizational skills." No, that's not the case. Everybody smart or stupid is just as likely to forget to do a homework assignment - that's what planners, agendas, calenders, and to-do lists are for. There's no reason for you to forget to do something if you sit down and think about what you have in your 4 or 5 classes (or make a list, jeez that's difficult). You got "middle-of-the-road" grades in mathematics because you were too lazy to sit down for a few minutes to memorize the necessary formulas, not because you're innately different from other people who had to work hard and memorize the formulas.<br>This post was the saddest thing I've read today and it's even sadder that 5 people thought it was interesting or insightful. If your IQ really is 160, what a fucking waste of a brain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not forgetful , that 's lazy .
I 'm guessing you got modded up + 5 because various people wanted to feel better about themselves and thought they were just like you , super smart , just bad " organizational skills .
" No , that 's not the case .
Everybody smart or stupid is just as likely to forget to do a homework assignment - that 's what planners , agendas , calenders , and to-do lists are for .
There 's no reason for you to forget to do something if you sit down and think about what you have in your 4 or 5 classes ( or make a list , jeez that 's difficult ) .
You got " middle-of-the-road " grades in mathematics because you were too lazy to sit down for a few minutes to memorize the necessary formulas , not because you 're innately different from other people who had to work hard and memorize the formulas.This post was the saddest thing I 've read today and it 's even sadder that 5 people thought it was interesting or insightful .
If your IQ really is 160 , what a fucking waste of a brain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not forgetful, that's lazy.
I'm guessing you got modded up +5 because various people wanted to feel better about themselves and thought they were just like you, super smart, just bad "organizational skills.
" No, that's not the case.
Everybody smart or stupid is just as likely to forget to do a homework assignment - that's what planners, agendas, calenders, and to-do lists are for.
There's no reason for you to forget to do something if you sit down and think about what you have in your 4 or 5 classes (or make a list, jeez that's difficult).
You got "middle-of-the-road" grades in mathematics because you were too lazy to sit down for a few minutes to memorize the necessary formulas, not because you're innately different from other people who had to work hard and memorize the formulas.This post was the saddest thing I've read today and it's even sadder that 5 people thought it was interesting or insightful.
If your IQ really is 160, what a fucking waste of a brain.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982540</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>jayme0227</author>
	<datestamp>1257017880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had a similar experience to yours. I really enjoyed conceptual mathematics, so I decided to take it as my major. However I got bogged down in all the minutiae of the equations and junk. Eventually I graduated, but while I scored high marks in all of my non-major courses, my mathematics courses tended to only be slightly above average.</p><p>One thing that I've found is that I tend to forget things rather quickly if I know that I can access the information when I need it. Things that I do not have ready access to on a regular basis stick in my head a lot longer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had a similar experience to yours .
I really enjoyed conceptual mathematics , so I decided to take it as my major .
However I got bogged down in all the minutiae of the equations and junk .
Eventually I graduated , but while I scored high marks in all of my non-major courses , my mathematics courses tended to only be slightly above average.One thing that I 've found is that I tend to forget things rather quickly if I know that I can access the information when I need it .
Things that I do not have ready access to on a regular basis stick in my head a lot longer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had a similar experience to yours.
I really enjoyed conceptual mathematics, so I decided to take it as my major.
However I got bogged down in all the minutiae of the equations and junk.
Eventually I graduated, but while I scored high marks in all of my non-major courses, my mathematics courses tended to only be slightly above average.One thing that I've found is that I tend to forget things rather quickly if I know that I can access the information when I need it.
Things that I do not have ready access to on a regular basis stick in my head a lot longer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982790</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>jackspenn</author>
	<datestamp>1257018540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Some rich people are stupid</p></div><p>
The largest common factors I have noticed between those who are self-made wealthy is this:
</p><ul>
<li>They work hard.</li>
<li>They save money, budget, evaluate costs to benefits, plan for long haul (know people who make $28,000/year and have paid off reliable cars, own thier house, and are in process of building retirement accounts)</li>
<li>They are risk takers</li>
<li>They take individual responisiblity</li>
</ul><p>
The largest common factors I have noticed between those who are poor is this:
</p><ul>
<li>They don't work hard.</li>
<li>They spend money irresponsibly, they live for the moment (I know people who make $75,000/year and are in debt)</li>
<li>They are collectivists, socialists, communist, etc.  They need others to support them, whether they admit/accept this or not, their actions (or lack of) hinder their ability to grow wealth.</li>
<li>They blame others.</li></ul></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some rich people are stupid The largest common factors I have noticed between those who are self-made wealthy is this : They work hard .
They save money , budget , evaluate costs to benefits , plan for long haul ( know people who make $ 28,000/year and have paid off reliable cars , own thier house , and are in process of building retirement accounts ) They are risk takers They take individual responisiblity The largest common factors I have noticed between those who are poor is this : They do n't work hard .
They spend money irresponsibly , they live for the moment ( I know people who make $ 75,000/year and are in debt ) They are collectivists , socialists , communist , etc .
They need others to support them , whether they admit/accept this or not , their actions ( or lack of ) hinder their ability to grow wealth .
They blame others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some rich people are stupid
The largest common factors I have noticed between those who are self-made wealthy is this:

They work hard.
They save money, budget, evaluate costs to benefits, plan for long haul (know people who make $28,000/year and have paid off reliable cars, own thier house, and are in process of building retirement accounts)
They are risk takers
They take individual responisiblity

The largest common factors I have noticed between those who are poor is this:

They don't work hard.
They spend money irresponsibly, they live for the moment (I know people who make $75,000/year and are in debt)
They are collectivists, socialists, communist, etc.
They need others to support them, whether they admit/accept this or not, their actions (or lack of) hinder their ability to grow wealth.
They blame others.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981410</id>
	<title>Amen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257014640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know a guy in Mensa who was genuinely surprised that I stopped talking to him after he hit on my wife and tried to talk her into divorcing me.</p><p>I don't think it's occurred to him yet that she and I actually speak to each other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know a guy in Mensa who was genuinely surprised that I stopped talking to him after he hit on my wife and tried to talk her into divorcing me.I do n't think it 's occurred to him yet that she and I actually speak to each other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know a guy in Mensa who was genuinely surprised that I stopped talking to him after he hit on my wife and tried to talk her into divorcing me.I don't think it's occurred to him yet that she and I actually speak to each other.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29992052</id>
	<title>Re:High IQ DOES mean you're smart...</title>
	<author>HoppQ</author>
	<datestamp>1257411840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>some people with high IQs may never learn how to interact successfully with those around them... </p></div><p>Reminds me of a discussion I overheard on a break in university (class in question was Philosophy of A.I.)</p><p>Student 1: So, if something is incredibly intelligent but cannot communicate in a comprehensible way with the outside world, would we call it intelligent?<br>Student 2: Are you talking about maths professors?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>some people with high IQs may never learn how to interact successfully with those around them... Reminds me of a discussion I overheard on a break in university ( class in question was Philosophy of A.I .
) Student 1 : So , if something is incredibly intelligent but can not communicate in a comprehensible way with the outside world , would we call it intelligent ? Student 2 : Are you talking about maths professors ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>some people with high IQs may never learn how to interact successfully with those around them... Reminds me of a discussion I overheard on a break in university (class in question was Philosophy of A.I.
)Student 1: So, if something is incredibly intelligent but cannot communicate in a comprehensible way with the outside world, would we call it intelligent?Student 2: Are you talking about maths professors?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984494</id>
	<title>Re:Amen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256980320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I know a guy in Mensa who was genuinely surprised</p></div><p>What an odd thing to say. How did you establish that his surprise was genuine?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know a guy in Mensa who was genuinely surprisedWhat an odd thing to say .
How did you establish that his surprise was genuine ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know a guy in Mensa who was genuinely surprisedWhat an odd thing to say.
How did you establish that his surprise was genuine?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29987120</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>lena\_10326</author>
	<datestamp>1256989140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've worked with and known several people who become millionaires and owners of corporations. The personality aspects they shared (in addition to being risk takers as you mentioned) were:

<ul>
<li>When asked if it can be done, they don't start with "no".</li>
<li>They worry about implementation and funding issues later and focus on developing the concept first.</li>
<li>They eagerly delegate what they can't do, can't do quickly, or can't do well.</li>
<li>They have some willingness to entertain stupid ideas and quickly prune ones that obviously won't work.</li>
<li>They reduce their risk by testing and prototyping rather than diving in quickly.</li>
<li>They have focus, drive, and motivation.</li>
<li>When they have time off, they tend to work or research.</li>
<li>They apply strategy. They think about verticals and horizontals.</li>
<li>They don't let mistakes get them down.</li>
<li>Their mental health is stable. They aren't depressed or immersed in personal drama.</li>
<li>They are extroverted, unafraid of confrontation, and personable.</li>
<li>They have a network of friends.</li>
</ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've worked with and known several people who become millionaires and owners of corporations .
The personality aspects they shared ( in addition to being risk takers as you mentioned ) were : When asked if it can be done , they do n't start with " no " .
They worry about implementation and funding issues later and focus on developing the concept first .
They eagerly delegate what they ca n't do , ca n't do quickly , or ca n't do well .
They have some willingness to entertain stupid ideas and quickly prune ones that obviously wo n't work .
They reduce their risk by testing and prototyping rather than diving in quickly .
They have focus , drive , and motivation .
When they have time off , they tend to work or research .
They apply strategy .
They think about verticals and horizontals .
They do n't let mistakes get them down .
Their mental health is stable .
They are n't depressed or immersed in personal drama .
They are extroverted , unafraid of confrontation , and personable .
They have a network of friends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've worked with and known several people who become millionaires and owners of corporations.
The personality aspects they shared (in addition to being risk takers as you mentioned) were:


When asked if it can be done, they don't start with "no".
They worry about implementation and funding issues later and focus on developing the concept first.
They eagerly delegate what they can't do, can't do quickly, or can't do well.
They have some willingness to entertain stupid ideas and quickly prune ones that obviously won't work.
They reduce their risk by testing and prototyping rather than diving in quickly.
They have focus, drive, and motivation.
When they have time off, they tend to work or research.
They apply strategy.
They think about verticals and horizontals.
They don't let mistakes get them down.
Their mental health is stable.
They aren't depressed or immersed in personal drama.
They are extroverted, unafraid of confrontation, and personable.
They have a network of friends.
</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988398</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256994540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Very true.  My IQ is in the top 0.1\% at least, and it  I took me a decade after I finished high school (at 15) to really learn how to work hard for things.  Well, okay, maybe I still haven't learned how to work hard.  It took me a decade to learn how to be functional in the real world, as I was so used to everything being handed to me and coming so incredibly easy to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Very true .
My IQ is in the top 0.1 \ % at least , and it I took me a decade after I finished high school ( at 15 ) to really learn how to work hard for things .
Well , okay , maybe I still have n't learned how to work hard .
It took me a decade to learn how to be functional in the real world , as I was so used to everything being handed to me and coming so incredibly easy to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very true.
My IQ is in the top 0.1\% at least, and it  I took me a decade after I finished high school (at 15) to really learn how to work hard for things.
Well, okay, maybe I still haven't learned how to work hard.
It took me a decade to learn how to be functional in the real world, as I was so used to everything being handed to me and coming so incredibly easy to me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982032</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Nerdfest</author>
	<datestamp>1257016500000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've always thought IQ tests were fairly useless at least in many cases. Most of the software developers I know score very high on IQ tests, but it seems to me that we're cheating to a degree. Our day to day job tends to train us to solve many of the sorts of problems that are on IQ tests. Of course we'll score well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always thought IQ tests were fairly useless at least in many cases .
Most of the software developers I know score very high on IQ tests , but it seems to me that we 're cheating to a degree .
Our day to day job tends to train us to solve many of the sorts of problems that are on IQ tests .
Of course we 'll score well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always thought IQ tests were fairly useless at least in many cases.
Most of the software developers I know score very high on IQ tests, but it seems to me that we're cheating to a degree.
Our day to day job tends to train us to solve many of the sorts of problems that are on IQ tests.
Of course we'll score well.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982904</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1257018900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And some of us DON'T know how to solve problems, but we have really good memories so we can recall having read in some book in college of a previous solution - and then just go look it up.</p><p>The human brain is very flexible.  I recall one time in college we were given some kind of word quiz, and the hint said "white blood cells".  I of course had no idea but then remembered watching Isaac Asimov's Fantastic Voyage as a child, and they used the word "corpuscle" so I wrote it down.  My 2 girlfriends asked how I knew that.  I just said I remembered.</p><p>I did much the same through all my engineering classes - once I see a solution  I rarely forget it.  In fact I get annoyed with people who tell me to "figure it out".  If you already know the answer just tell me so I can apply the solution and move-on to the next task.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And some of us DO N'T know how to solve problems , but we have really good memories so we can recall having read in some book in college of a previous solution - and then just go look it up.The human brain is very flexible .
I recall one time in college we were given some kind of word quiz , and the hint said " white blood cells " .
I of course had no idea but then remembered watching Isaac Asimov 's Fantastic Voyage as a child , and they used the word " corpuscle " so I wrote it down .
My 2 girlfriends asked how I knew that .
I just said I remembered.I did much the same through all my engineering classes - once I see a solution I rarely forget it .
In fact I get annoyed with people who tell me to " figure it out " .
If you already know the answer just tell me so I can apply the solution and move-on to the next task .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And some of us DON'T know how to solve problems, but we have really good memories so we can recall having read in some book in college of a previous solution - and then just go look it up.The human brain is very flexible.
I recall one time in college we were given some kind of word quiz, and the hint said "white blood cells".
I of course had no idea but then remembered watching Isaac Asimov's Fantastic Voyage as a child, and they used the word "corpuscle" so I wrote it down.
My 2 girlfriends asked how I knew that.
I just said I remembered.I did much the same through all my engineering classes - once I see a solution  I rarely forget it.
In fact I get annoyed with people who tell me to "figure it out".
If you already know the answer just tell me so I can apply the solution and move-on to the next task.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29987370</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>VocationalZero</author>
	<datestamp>1256989980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> They don't work hard.</p> </div><p> What? </p><p><div class="quote"><p>They spend money irresponsibly, they live for the moment (I know people who make <b> $75,000/year </b> and are in debt)</p></div><p> Oh, I see now. You and I have very different definitions of "poor".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't work hard .
What ? They spend money irresponsibly , they live for the moment ( I know people who make $ 75,000/year and are in debt ) Oh , I see now .
You and I have very different definitions of " poor " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> They don't work hard.
What? They spend money irresponsibly, they live for the moment (I know people who make  $75,000/year  and are in debt) Oh, I see now.
You and I have very different definitions of "poor".
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29993700</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257430560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I remember some comment here on Slashdot a while back (I foget who it was or what the story was about) where somebody was complaining that, as a person in the 99th intelligence percentile, it was simply impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence.  The comment struck me as amazingly arrogant and short-sighted.  I didn't say anything at the time, but I thought exactly what you are saying.  This guy's problem, in my not-so-humble opinion, was that he was letting his score on an IQ test define himself and his potential friends.  As long as people who score well on IQ tests go around wearing it like a badge and looking down on everybody else, they are going to be outcasts, because even if you don't say it out loud, people will pick up on it, and then they don't want to be around you.  Nobody wants to hang out with the guy who's always subtly reminding everybody of how smart he is.  At that point, it's the natural human reaction to soothe your ego by thinking "average people just can't handle being around smart people like me.  They're jealous of my vast intelligence."  But it's just not true.  I have plenty of friends who would probably score lower than I would on an IQ test (I say "would" because the last time I took an IQ test I was around eight years old).  I also have friends who would probably score higher.  You can be friends with anybody as long as you're mutually willing to accept each other as equals.  And when you do that, you find that there's something to learn from everybody.  Because I guarantee that even the homeless guy you pass on the street who sleeps on a park bench and pees on himself knows <em>something</em> that you don't.  He has acquired some skill, knowledge or wisdom from his life experience that you haven't.  As long as we define ourselves and others strictly in terms of a single, nearly meaningless number, we close ourselves off from a wealth of potential knowledge and experience.</p></div><p>Good stuff said there.  I am glad I learned this lesson in middle school as opposed to later in life.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I remember some comment here on Slashdot a while back ( I foget who it was or what the story was about ) where somebody was complaining that , as a person in the 99th intelligence percentile , it was simply impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence .
The comment struck me as amazingly arrogant and short-sighted .
I did n't say anything at the time , but I thought exactly what you are saying .
This guy 's problem , in my not-so-humble opinion , was that he was letting his score on an IQ test define himself and his potential friends .
As long as people who score well on IQ tests go around wearing it like a badge and looking down on everybody else , they are going to be outcasts , because even if you do n't say it out loud , people will pick up on it , and then they do n't want to be around you .
Nobody wants to hang out with the guy who 's always subtly reminding everybody of how smart he is .
At that point , it 's the natural human reaction to soothe your ego by thinking " average people just ca n't handle being around smart people like me .
They 're jealous of my vast intelligence .
" But it 's just not true .
I have plenty of friends who would probably score lower than I would on an IQ test ( I say " would " because the last time I took an IQ test I was around eight years old ) .
I also have friends who would probably score higher .
You can be friends with anybody as long as you 're mutually willing to accept each other as equals .
And when you do that , you find that there 's something to learn from everybody .
Because I guarantee that even the homeless guy you pass on the street who sleeps on a park bench and pees on himself knows something that you do n't .
He has acquired some skill , knowledge or wisdom from his life experience that you have n't .
As long as we define ourselves and others strictly in terms of a single , nearly meaningless number , we close ourselves off from a wealth of potential knowledge and experience.Good stuff said there .
I am glad I learned this lesson in middle school as opposed to later in life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember some comment here on Slashdot a while back (I foget who it was or what the story was about) where somebody was complaining that, as a person in the 99th intelligence percentile, it was simply impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence.
The comment struck me as amazingly arrogant and short-sighted.
I didn't say anything at the time, but I thought exactly what you are saying.
This guy's problem, in my not-so-humble opinion, was that he was letting his score on an IQ test define himself and his potential friends.
As long as people who score well on IQ tests go around wearing it like a badge and looking down on everybody else, they are going to be outcasts, because even if you don't say it out loud, people will pick up on it, and then they don't want to be around you.
Nobody wants to hang out with the guy who's always subtly reminding everybody of how smart he is.
At that point, it's the natural human reaction to soothe your ego by thinking "average people just can't handle being around smart people like me.
They're jealous of my vast intelligence.
"  But it's just not true.
I have plenty of friends who would probably score lower than I would on an IQ test (I say "would" because the last time I took an IQ test I was around eight years old).
I also have friends who would probably score higher.
You can be friends with anybody as long as you're mutually willing to accept each other as equals.
And when you do that, you find that there's something to learn from everybody.
Because I guarantee that even the homeless guy you pass on the street who sleeps on a park bench and pees on himself knows something that you don't.
He has acquired some skill, knowledge or wisdom from his life experience that you haven't.
As long as we define ourselves and others strictly in terms of a single, nearly meaningless number, we close ourselves off from a wealth of potential knowledge and experience.Good stuff said there.
I am glad I learned this lesson in middle school as opposed to later in life.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981808</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1257015840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mensa and testing agencies have been making it clear for a couple decades now that IQ only measures your ability to take tests.</p><p>While that's strongly correlated with general intelligence, it means nothing specific for a specific individual.</p></div><p>What be you talking about now. I be having real good IQ scores, everybody says so and that I am the smartest person they knose. I do bestest in english, but I am also gooder in math too. My friend, he says that he told me about how better I am then anybody else, and my mommy, she says the same thing. They all wants me to writer a book for telling others so thay can get smarter like me. I thinks that I should takes time off from righting software documentation, and use the monies that I's is going to be getting for helping me transfer money from the Nigerian presidents only remaining son into our country.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Mensa and testing agencies have been making it clear for a couple decades now that IQ only measures your ability to take tests.While that 's strongly correlated with general intelligence , it means nothing specific for a specific individual.What be you talking about now .
I be having real good IQ scores , everybody says so and that I am the smartest person they knose .
I do bestest in english , but I am also gooder in math too .
My friend , he says that he told me about how better I am then anybody else , and my mommy , she says the same thing .
They all wants me to writer a book for telling others so thay can get smarter like me .
I thinks that I should takes time off from righting software documentation , and use the monies that I 's is going to be getting for helping me transfer money from the Nigerian presidents only remaining son into our country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mensa and testing agencies have been making it clear for a couple decades now that IQ only measures your ability to take tests.While that's strongly correlated with general intelligence, it means nothing specific for a specific individual.What be you talking about now.
I be having real good IQ scores, everybody says so and that I am the smartest person they knose.
I do bestest in english, but I am also gooder in math too.
My friend, he says that he told me about how better I am then anybody else, and my mommy, she says the same thing.
They all wants me to writer a book for telling others so thay can get smarter like me.
I thinks that I should takes time off from righting software documentation, and use the monies that I's is going to be getting for helping me transfer money from the Nigerian presidents only remaining son into our country.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981512</id>
	<title>Inverse Correlation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257015060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In my first job, as a teen, an older woman there told me that the "more book learning someone has, the less common sense they've got." Only on the rare anomalous occasion have I seen her proven wrong. I work at a Uni and I've seen people with 2 and 3 PHDs not be able to work a remote or walk away from their car with a door open and the keys still in it.
<br> <br>
It is, IMHO, a rare  genius who has both, common sense and intelligence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my first job , as a teen , an older woman there told me that the " more book learning someone has , the less common sense they 've got .
" Only on the rare anomalous occasion have I seen her proven wrong .
I work at a Uni and I 've seen people with 2 and 3 PHDs not be able to work a remote or walk away from their car with a door open and the keys still in it .
It is , IMHO , a rare genius who has both , common sense and intelligence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my first job, as a teen, an older woman there told me that the "more book learning someone has, the less common sense they've got.
" Only on the rare anomalous occasion have I seen her proven wrong.
I work at a Uni and I've seen people with 2 and 3 PHDs not be able to work a remote or walk away from their car with a door open and the keys still in it.
It is, IMHO, a rare  genius who has both, common sense and intelligence.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29993170</id>
	<title>Re:IQ is not the same as EQ</title>
	<author>mahadiga</author>
	<datestamp>1257425160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"You are a product of your environment." --Clement Stone</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You are a product of your environment .
" --Clement Stone</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You are a product of your environment.
" --Clement Stone</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981536</id>
	<title>High IQ DOES mean you're smart...</title>
	<author>TheLuggage2008</author>
	<datestamp>1257015120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>It doesn't, however, mean you're observant, grounded, emotionally stable, possess common sense, have even average social skills, or even an interest in using your intelligence for anything of consequence.</p><p>TFA references G. W. Bush, stating his IQ is estimated to be at or around 120 but even those close to him had concerns about his decision making skills, and "Bush himself has described his thinking style as "not very analytical"." Seems to me this is connected far more to his personality, shaped by his upbringing and experiences. IQ is an indicator of intellectual potential; if someone tests consistently in the 70 - 80 range, no amount of positive thinking or assistance is getting you through medical school; if someone tests in the 160 - 180 range (let's assume an accepted standardized scale, such as Wechsler), this indicates that academically there is nothing they are not capable of understanding if they applied themselves. That doesn't mean it's reasonable to assume someone with that level of intelligence *will* become a doctor or the like, only that if circumstances are right, they *could*.

</p><p>It is not unusual for people with high IQs to fall short of their potential for myriad reasons, the one I think is most impactful is the significant difference between intellectually gifted (meant generically) and the average person. To qualify for organizations like Mensa, you need to be 2 standard deviations ahead of the average in intelligence, which is the same difference between the average person and someone considered to be retarded. People who are that far removed from the median (on either side of the scale) experience the world in a very different and often times alienating way. Perhaps the perceived "stupidity" of people with high IQs is simply the manifestation of their inability to communicate effectively with "little brains".

</p><p>While many people with high IQs are perfectly functional and move among us unnoticed as braniacs,(Mensa members must be in the 98\% percentile of the population which sounds lofty, but it means that roughly one in every 50 people are smart enough to make the cut, so you probably have a better shot at getting into Mensa than you do of winning a beauty pageant) some people with high IQs may never learn how to interact successfully with those around them... robbing them of the kinds of experiences that teach the very skills TFA suggests smart people don't manifest in a consistent manner.

</p><p>Raw brain power isn't enough to guarantee success or even a base level of competence at anything, including living.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't , however , mean you 're observant , grounded , emotionally stable , possess common sense , have even average social skills , or even an interest in using your intelligence for anything of consequence.TFA references G. W. Bush , stating his IQ is estimated to be at or around 120 but even those close to him had concerns about his decision making skills , and " Bush himself has described his thinking style as " not very analytical " .
" Seems to me this is connected far more to his personality , shaped by his upbringing and experiences .
IQ is an indicator of intellectual potential ; if someone tests consistently in the 70 - 80 range , no amount of positive thinking or assistance is getting you through medical school ; if someone tests in the 160 - 180 range ( let 's assume an accepted standardized scale , such as Wechsler ) , this indicates that academically there is nothing they are not capable of understanding if they applied themselves .
That does n't mean it 's reasonable to assume someone with that level of intelligence * will * become a doctor or the like , only that if circumstances are right , they * could * .
It is not unusual for people with high IQs to fall short of their potential for myriad reasons , the one I think is most impactful is the significant difference between intellectually gifted ( meant generically ) and the average person .
To qualify for organizations like Mensa , you need to be 2 standard deviations ahead of the average in intelligence , which is the same difference between the average person and someone considered to be retarded .
People who are that far removed from the median ( on either side of the scale ) experience the world in a very different and often times alienating way .
Perhaps the perceived " stupidity " of people with high IQs is simply the manifestation of their inability to communicate effectively with " little brains " .
While many people with high IQs are perfectly functional and move among us unnoticed as braniacs , ( Mensa members must be in the 98 \ % percentile of the population which sounds lofty , but it means that roughly one in every 50 people are smart enough to make the cut , so you probably have a better shot at getting into Mensa than you do of winning a beauty pageant ) some people with high IQs may never learn how to interact successfully with those around them... robbing them of the kinds of experiences that teach the very skills TFA suggests smart people do n't manifest in a consistent manner .
Raw brain power is n't enough to guarantee success or even a base level of competence at anything , including living .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't, however, mean you're observant, grounded, emotionally stable, possess common sense, have even average social skills, or even an interest in using your intelligence for anything of consequence.TFA references G. W. Bush, stating his IQ is estimated to be at or around 120 but even those close to him had concerns about his decision making skills, and "Bush himself has described his thinking style as "not very analytical".
" Seems to me this is connected far more to his personality, shaped by his upbringing and experiences.
IQ is an indicator of intellectual potential; if someone tests consistently in the 70 - 80 range, no amount of positive thinking or assistance is getting you through medical school; if someone tests in the 160 - 180 range (let's assume an accepted standardized scale, such as Wechsler), this indicates that academically there is nothing they are not capable of understanding if they applied themselves.
That doesn't mean it's reasonable to assume someone with that level of intelligence *will* become a doctor or the like, only that if circumstances are right, they *could*.
It is not unusual for people with high IQs to fall short of their potential for myriad reasons, the one I think is most impactful is the significant difference between intellectually gifted (meant generically) and the average person.
To qualify for organizations like Mensa, you need to be 2 standard deviations ahead of the average in intelligence, which is the same difference between the average person and someone considered to be retarded.
People who are that far removed from the median (on either side of the scale) experience the world in a very different and often times alienating way.
Perhaps the perceived "stupidity" of people with high IQs is simply the manifestation of their inability to communicate effectively with "little brains".
While many people with high IQs are perfectly functional and move among us unnoticed as braniacs,(Mensa members must be in the 98\% percentile of the population which sounds lofty, but it means that roughly one in every 50 people are smart enough to make the cut, so you probably have a better shot at getting into Mensa than you do of winning a beauty pageant) some people with high IQs may never learn how to interact successfully with those around them... robbing them of the kinds of experiences that teach the very skills TFA suggests smart people don't manifest in a consistent manner.
Raw brain power isn't enough to guarantee success or even a base level of competence at anything, including living.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1257019500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always thought of intelligence as being something like height.  Physical height seems to be a genetic gift, something you're born with or your not, but nutrition still has a fair amount to do with it.  Being tall allows you to see over other people's heads and reach things others can't.  It changes your perspective.  On the down side, sitting on a bus with your knees pressed against the seat in front of you is uncomfortable, and sometimes you have to duck to keep from smacking your head on low-hanging obstacles.  Though you have very limited control over how tall you are, short people can still climb ladders or even wear lifts to equal things out a bit.
</p><p>Intelligence is a lot like that, but it's not just the food you eat that affects your development, it's also the ideas you fill your head with and the mental exercises you engage in.  Being smart makes some things easier and can let you see things that others can't, but it can also make things more painful or even dangerous.  Yes, there are metaphorical mental analogs to the short doorjam or low ceiling.  And though being exceptionally quick is an advantage, there are other ways to get similar results.  Studying, experience, thinking a lot, and talking to other smart people can allow someone with lesser natural gifts to out-think someone with greater gifts, just like a shorter man on a ladder can stand taller.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always thought of intelligence as being something like height .
Physical height seems to be a genetic gift , something you 're born with or your not , but nutrition still has a fair amount to do with it .
Being tall allows you to see over other people 's heads and reach things others ca n't .
It changes your perspective .
On the down side , sitting on a bus with your knees pressed against the seat in front of you is uncomfortable , and sometimes you have to duck to keep from smacking your head on low-hanging obstacles .
Though you have very limited control over how tall you are , short people can still climb ladders or even wear lifts to equal things out a bit .
Intelligence is a lot like that , but it 's not just the food you eat that affects your development , it 's also the ideas you fill your head with and the mental exercises you engage in .
Being smart makes some things easier and can let you see things that others ca n't , but it can also make things more painful or even dangerous .
Yes , there are metaphorical mental analogs to the short doorjam or low ceiling .
And though being exceptionally quick is an advantage , there are other ways to get similar results .
Studying , experience , thinking a lot , and talking to other smart people can allow someone with lesser natural gifts to out-think someone with greater gifts , just like a shorter man on a ladder can stand taller .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always thought of intelligence as being something like height.
Physical height seems to be a genetic gift, something you're born with or your not, but nutrition still has a fair amount to do with it.
Being tall allows you to see over other people's heads and reach things others can't.
It changes your perspective.
On the down side, sitting on a bus with your knees pressed against the seat in front of you is uncomfortable, and sometimes you have to duck to keep from smacking your head on low-hanging obstacles.
Though you have very limited control over how tall you are, short people can still climb ladders or even wear lifts to equal things out a bit.
Intelligence is a lot like that, but it's not just the food you eat that affects your development, it's also the ideas you fill your head with and the mental exercises you engage in.
Being smart makes some things easier and can let you see things that others can't, but it can also make things more painful or even dangerous.
Yes, there are metaphorical mental analogs to the short doorjam or low ceiling.
And though being exceptionally quick is an advantage, there are other ways to get similar results.
Studying, experience, thinking a lot, and talking to other smart people can allow someone with lesser natural gifts to out-think someone with greater gifts, just like a shorter man on a ladder can stand taller.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Paul Graham already covered this</title>
	<author>npsimons</author>
	<datestamp>1257008520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From a very smart person, I give you <a href="http://paulgraham.com/nerds.html" title="paulgraham.com">Why Nerds are Unpopular</a> [paulgraham.com].  Short version: because it's unimportant.  Smart people are - surprise! - smart enough to figure out what is really important, and it's not social skills or any of the other humdrum that makes up everyday life.  Also very succinctly and eloquently paraphrased in <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1431220&amp;cid=29981906" title="slashdot.org">this comment</a> [slashdot.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From a very smart person , I give you Why Nerds are Unpopular [ paulgraham.com ] .
Short version : because it 's unimportant .
Smart people are - surprise !
- smart enough to figure out what is really important , and it 's not social skills or any of the other humdrum that makes up everyday life .
Also very succinctly and eloquently paraphrased in this comment [ slashdot.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From a very smart person, I give you Why Nerds are Unpopular [paulgraham.com].
Short version: because it's unimportant.
Smart people are - surprise!
- smart enough to figure out what is really important, and it's not social skills or any of the other humdrum that makes up everyday life.
Also very succinctly and eloquently paraphrased in this comment [slashdot.org].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29994828</id>
	<title>high INT, low WIS</title>
	<author>ChristTrekker</author>
	<datestamp>1257436500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So Mensans would make good real-life wizards, but not very good clerics.  I thought geeks would have known this for about 30 years now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So Mensans would make good real-life wizards , but not very good clerics .
I thought geeks would have known this for about 30 years now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So Mensans would make good real-life wizards, but not very good clerics.
I thought geeks would have known this for about 30 years now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984444</id>
	<title>Re:I knew this 25 years ago...</title>
	<author>Remus Shepherd</author>
	<datestamp>1256980140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>25 years ago, my DM explained the difference very simply:  WIS is Edith Bunker.  INT is Richard Nixon.</p><p>Trust me, 25 years ago those descriptions were spot-on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>25 years ago , my DM explained the difference very simply : WIS is Edith Bunker .
INT is Richard Nixon.Trust me , 25 years ago those descriptions were spot-on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>25 years ago, my DM explained the difference very simply:  WIS is Edith Bunker.
INT is Richard Nixon.Trust me, 25 years ago those descriptions were spot-on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29993190</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Aladrin</author>
	<datestamp>1257425460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The smarmy answer is that you get out of Mensa what you put into it.  For some reason, people think it's a brain trust of some kind where you can go put in an idea and good things automatically come of it.</p><p>It's not.</p><p>It's a social group.  Most people just enjoy the company of others who think like they do, whether online or at one of the frequent gatherings in different cities.  It's just like any other 'club', really.</p><p>That's not to say you can't submit an idea to a Mensa forum and get back feedback.  Everyone will gladly tear it apart for you.  And if it's a good idea, you might even get some constructive feedback.  But heaven help the idea if it's a bad one.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>Disclaimer:  I'm a lifetime member of Mensa.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The smarmy answer is that you get out of Mensa what you put into it .
For some reason , people think it 's a brain trust of some kind where you can go put in an idea and good things automatically come of it.It 's not.It 's a social group .
Most people just enjoy the company of others who think like they do , whether online or at one of the frequent gatherings in different cities .
It 's just like any other 'club ' , really.That 's not to say you ca n't submit an idea to a Mensa forum and get back feedback .
Everyone will gladly tear it apart for you .
And if it 's a good idea , you might even get some constructive feedback .
But heaven help the idea if it 's a bad one .
; ) Disclaimer : I 'm a lifetime member of Mensa .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The smarmy answer is that you get out of Mensa what you put into it.
For some reason, people think it's a brain trust of some kind where you can go put in an idea and good things automatically come of it.It's not.It's a social group.
Most people just enjoy the company of others who think like they do, whether online or at one of the frequent gatherings in different cities.
It's just like any other 'club', really.That's not to say you can't submit an idea to a Mensa forum and get back feedback.
Everyone will gladly tear it apart for you.
And if it's a good idea, you might even get some constructive feedback.
But heaven help the idea if it's a bad one.
;)Disclaimer:  I'm a lifetime member of Mensa.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984706</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>pnuema</author>
	<datestamp>1256981100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think a lot of what you are experiencing is a reaction to the belief from say 1950 to 1980 that only people of your character (conservative, white, heterosexual, Christian male) were intelligent and had value. I know after 8 years of being called a traitor for being a liberal I sure was ready to stick it to you guys. Not saying that all of this is deserved but, you reap what you sow. <p>I wouldn't worry too much however. Looks like it will be my turn in three years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think a lot of what you are experiencing is a reaction to the belief from say 1950 to 1980 that only people of your character ( conservative , white , heterosexual , Christian male ) were intelligent and had value .
I know after 8 years of being called a traitor for being a liberal I sure was ready to stick it to you guys .
Not saying that all of this is deserved but , you reap what you sow .
I would n't worry too much however .
Looks like it will be my turn in three years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think a lot of what you are experiencing is a reaction to the belief from say 1950 to 1980 that only people of your character (conservative, white, heterosexual, Christian male) were intelligent and had value.
I know after 8 years of being called a traitor for being a liberal I sure was ready to stick it to you guys.
Not saying that all of this is deserved but, you reap what you sow.
I wouldn't worry too much however.
Looks like it will be my turn in three years.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983192</id>
	<title>Outliers: The Story of Success, Gladwell</title>
	<author>gemtech</author>
	<datestamp>1257019680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Malcolm Gladwell does a pretty good job (for me at least) of explaining why IQ isn't all that will make you success.  And studies suggest (cited in his book) that all that is needed for graduate school is an IQ of 115.  But he didn't say what graduate school (I'd like to think that engineering needs a bit more).<br>
A lot of talent comes from opportunity, that is why people with more leisure time (re: rich parents), if driven properly, will success more often.  But not always.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Malcolm Gladwell does a pretty good job ( for me at least ) of explaining why IQ is n't all that will make you success .
And studies suggest ( cited in his book ) that all that is needed for graduate school is an IQ of 115 .
But he did n't say what graduate school ( I 'd like to think that engineering needs a bit more ) .
A lot of talent comes from opportunity , that is why people with more leisure time ( re : rich parents ) , if driven properly , will success more often .
But not always .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Malcolm Gladwell does a pretty good job (for me at least) of explaining why IQ isn't all that will make you success.
And studies suggest (cited in his book) that all that is needed for graduate school is an IQ of 115.
But he didn't say what graduate school (I'd like to think that engineering needs a bit more).
A lot of talent comes from opportunity, that is why people with more leisure time (re: rich parents), if driven properly, will success more often.
But not always.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981216</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257014160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read this analogy yesterday, where you can think of level of intelligence like the brightness of a flashlight, what you choose to aim it at is another matter.</p><p>Fits rather will with Sagan's candle in the dark illustration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read this analogy yesterday , where you can think of level of intelligence like the brightness of a flashlight , what you choose to aim it at is another matter.Fits rather will with Sagan 's candle in the dark illustration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read this analogy yesterday, where you can think of level of intelligence like the brightness of a flashlight, what you choose to aim it at is another matter.Fits rather will with Sagan's candle in the dark illustration.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982740</id>
	<title>I'm plenty smart -- aygh</title>
	<author>big dumb dog</author>
	<datestamp>1257018420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>stay tuned for the scientific report &ldquo;size doesn&rsquo;t madder&rdquo;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>stay tuned for the scientific report    size doesn    t madder   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>stay tuned for the scientific report “size doesn’t madder”</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982366</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257017460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Based on no research and absolutely no scientific data I have come to measure a person's intelligence by how creative they are and how open to new ideas (especially ideas in conflict with their own belief system) they are.</p></div> </blockquote><p>I would quibble. I believe that intelligence is based on the ability to manipulate symbolic information, be it mental, visual, verbal or other.</p><p>There is probably a correlation with creativity and "open mindedness" based on the mental ability to manipulate information, but I would quibble that that is a <i>measure</i> of intelligence.</p><blockquote><div><p>People who have closed their minds to new thoughts/ideas and who do not exercise their creative potential get stupid fast.</p></div> </blockquote><p>I would suggest that being wrong is not the same as being stupid. People are lazy and often fall into habits of not thinking, of not questioning their beliefs and assumptions, but that's not the same as stupid.</p><p>Bush was wrong about many things; I suspect a combination of "Country Club Republican" upbringing and a poor choice of advisors, but that doesn't make him stupid.</p><p>I notice in life, and especially on the internet, there's a tendency to dismiss anyone who disagrees with a point of view as stupid. That in itself is a sign of laziness or not thinking.</p><p>There is <i>always</i> a reason why someone believes as they do. They <i>may be stupid</i>, but they could also have incomplete or erroneous (or more complete or correct!) information, or just have a different set of assumptions than the other person.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Based on no research and absolutely no scientific data I have come to measure a person 's intelligence by how creative they are and how open to new ideas ( especially ideas in conflict with their own belief system ) they are .
I would quibble .
I believe that intelligence is based on the ability to manipulate symbolic information , be it mental , visual , verbal or other.There is probably a correlation with creativity and " open mindedness " based on the mental ability to manipulate information , but I would quibble that that is a measure of intelligence.People who have closed their minds to new thoughts/ideas and who do not exercise their creative potential get stupid fast .
I would suggest that being wrong is not the same as being stupid .
People are lazy and often fall into habits of not thinking , of not questioning their beliefs and assumptions , but that 's not the same as stupid.Bush was wrong about many things ; I suspect a combination of " Country Club Republican " upbringing and a poor choice of advisors , but that does n't make him stupid.I notice in life , and especially on the internet , there 's a tendency to dismiss anyone who disagrees with a point of view as stupid .
That in itself is a sign of laziness or not thinking.There is always a reason why someone believes as they do .
They may be stupid , but they could also have incomplete or erroneous ( or more complete or correct !
) information , or just have a different set of assumptions than the other person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Based on no research and absolutely no scientific data I have come to measure a person's intelligence by how creative they are and how open to new ideas (especially ideas in conflict with their own belief system) they are.
I would quibble.
I believe that intelligence is based on the ability to manipulate symbolic information, be it mental, visual, verbal or other.There is probably a correlation with creativity and "open mindedness" based on the mental ability to manipulate information, but I would quibble that that is a measure of intelligence.People who have closed their minds to new thoughts/ideas and who do not exercise their creative potential get stupid fast.
I would suggest that being wrong is not the same as being stupid.
People are lazy and often fall into habits of not thinking, of not questioning their beliefs and assumptions, but that's not the same as stupid.Bush was wrong about many things; I suspect a combination of "Country Club Republican" upbringing and a poor choice of advisors, but that doesn't make him stupid.I notice in life, and especially on the internet, there's a tendency to dismiss anyone who disagrees with a point of view as stupid.
That in itself is a sign of laziness or not thinking.There is always a reason why someone believes as they do.
They may be stupid, but they could also have incomplete or erroneous (or more complete or correct!
) information, or just have a different set of assumptions than the other person.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29996788</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>shiftless</author>
	<datestamp>1257446160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I understand where you're coming from. I think you'll eliminate a lot of stress from your life if you stop trying to change these people and your environment. Not because the ideas you have are unworthy or that your changes wouldn't make things better, but because some battles you just can't win.</p><p>The above advice comes from some wisdom I picked up on over the past few years from dealing with a friend of mine. As an intelligent, rational person, it can be difficult to understand just how stupid and inflexible most people really are. This particular friend is dumb as a brick when it comes to critical thinking and evaluating sources. Oh, and he listens to and retains information about as well as a bucket with no bottom. He's the kind of guy who sounds intelligent at first because he can quote all kinds of facts and figures he read in one of his college books, but when you question him on obvious logical inconsistencies (introduced during his misinterpretation of what he read), he's totally lost, but will argue with you about it til he's blue in the face. Once he has his mind set on a certain ridiculous idea you can assault him with wisdom, logic, and sound arguments until the end of time and you won't change his mind. He's the kind of guy who would walk up to a hobo and a self-made multi-millionaire and ask both of them for advice on how to get rich, then defer to the hobo's advice because they both like the same football team and he seems like a nice guy.</p><p>The insight I gained from many hours spent arguing with this fool is that <i>most people are the same way</i>, though to a lesser degree in most cases. Just because people are rejecting your ideas as being stupid or unnecessary or whatever doesn't mean that your ideas are actually bad. It often means that the people you addressing simply aren't mentally equipped to understand and process the information you are trying to get across to them. Unlike you, they can't visualize how the improvements you are suggesting will actually help them. This is one of the blessings and also burdens of being truly smart; being able to understand things that others don't, can't, never could, and never will.</p><p>Don't stress yourself out by attempting to do the impossible. You're like a guy who has a thousand bucks and is going to solve poverty by giving away a dollar to every poor person he sees. Pretty soon you're broke and all the poor people are still poor. Instead, focus your energies and attention on greater things. Albert Einstein said "Great spirits have always encountered violent oppostion from mediocre minds." As long as you continue to follow idiots and listen to naysayers, your life will not be what it could. What you need to do is find a great leader to follow--someone who will appreciate your talents and put them to use on the path to greatness--instead of continuing to wallow in mediocrity and misery. Your current environment sounds like its full of bland people destined to live inconsequential lives. Is that really something you want to be part of?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand where you 're coming from .
I think you 'll eliminate a lot of stress from your life if you stop trying to change these people and your environment .
Not because the ideas you have are unworthy or that your changes would n't make things better , but because some battles you just ca n't win.The above advice comes from some wisdom I picked up on over the past few years from dealing with a friend of mine .
As an intelligent , rational person , it can be difficult to understand just how stupid and inflexible most people really are .
This particular friend is dumb as a brick when it comes to critical thinking and evaluating sources .
Oh , and he listens to and retains information about as well as a bucket with no bottom .
He 's the kind of guy who sounds intelligent at first because he can quote all kinds of facts and figures he read in one of his college books , but when you question him on obvious logical inconsistencies ( introduced during his misinterpretation of what he read ) , he 's totally lost , but will argue with you about it til he 's blue in the face .
Once he has his mind set on a certain ridiculous idea you can assault him with wisdom , logic , and sound arguments until the end of time and you wo n't change his mind .
He 's the kind of guy who would walk up to a hobo and a self-made multi-millionaire and ask both of them for advice on how to get rich , then defer to the hobo 's advice because they both like the same football team and he seems like a nice guy.The insight I gained from many hours spent arguing with this fool is that most people are the same way , though to a lesser degree in most cases .
Just because people are rejecting your ideas as being stupid or unnecessary or whatever does n't mean that your ideas are actually bad .
It often means that the people you addressing simply are n't mentally equipped to understand and process the information you are trying to get across to them .
Unlike you , they ca n't visualize how the improvements you are suggesting will actually help them .
This is one of the blessings and also burdens of being truly smart ; being able to understand things that others do n't , ca n't , never could , and never will.Do n't stress yourself out by attempting to do the impossible .
You 're like a guy who has a thousand bucks and is going to solve poverty by giving away a dollar to every poor person he sees .
Pretty soon you 're broke and all the poor people are still poor .
Instead , focus your energies and attention on greater things .
Albert Einstein said " Great spirits have always encountered violent oppostion from mediocre minds .
" As long as you continue to follow idiots and listen to naysayers , your life will not be what it could .
What you need to do is find a great leader to follow--someone who will appreciate your talents and put them to use on the path to greatness--instead of continuing to wallow in mediocrity and misery .
Your current environment sounds like its full of bland people destined to live inconsequential lives .
Is that really something you want to be part of ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand where you're coming from.
I think you'll eliminate a lot of stress from your life if you stop trying to change these people and your environment.
Not because the ideas you have are unworthy or that your changes wouldn't make things better, but because some battles you just can't win.The above advice comes from some wisdom I picked up on over the past few years from dealing with a friend of mine.
As an intelligent, rational person, it can be difficult to understand just how stupid and inflexible most people really are.
This particular friend is dumb as a brick when it comes to critical thinking and evaluating sources.
Oh, and he listens to and retains information about as well as a bucket with no bottom.
He's the kind of guy who sounds intelligent at first because he can quote all kinds of facts and figures he read in one of his college books, but when you question him on obvious logical inconsistencies (introduced during his misinterpretation of what he read), he's totally lost, but will argue with you about it til he's blue in the face.
Once he has his mind set on a certain ridiculous idea you can assault him with wisdom, logic, and sound arguments until the end of time and you won't change his mind.
He's the kind of guy who would walk up to a hobo and a self-made multi-millionaire and ask both of them for advice on how to get rich, then defer to the hobo's advice because they both like the same football team and he seems like a nice guy.The insight I gained from many hours spent arguing with this fool is that most people are the same way, though to a lesser degree in most cases.
Just because people are rejecting your ideas as being stupid or unnecessary or whatever doesn't mean that your ideas are actually bad.
It often means that the people you addressing simply aren't mentally equipped to understand and process the information you are trying to get across to them.
Unlike you, they can't visualize how the improvements you are suggesting will actually help them.
This is one of the blessings and also burdens of being truly smart; being able to understand things that others don't, can't, never could, and never will.Don't stress yourself out by attempting to do the impossible.
You're like a guy who has a thousand bucks and is going to solve poverty by giving away a dollar to every poor person he sees.
Pretty soon you're broke and all the poor people are still poor.
Instead, focus your energies and attention on greater things.
Albert Einstein said "Great spirits have always encountered violent oppostion from mediocre minds.
" As long as you continue to follow idiots and listen to naysayers, your life will not be what it could.
What you need to do is find a great leader to follow--someone who will appreciate your talents and put them to use on the path to greatness--instead of continuing to wallow in mediocrity and misery.
Your current environment sounds like its full of bland people destined to live inconsequential lives.
Is that really something you want to be part of?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981192</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Ethanol-fueled</author>
	<datestamp>1257014100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mensa is itself the perfect example of what this discussion is all about. The organization is chock full of the most super-intelligent people...and yet the word "mensa" is spanish slang for "stupid female".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mensa is itself the perfect example of what this discussion is all about .
The organization is chock full of the most super-intelligent people...and yet the word " mensa " is spanish slang for " stupid female " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mensa is itself the perfect example of what this discussion is all about.
The organization is chock full of the most super-intelligent people...and yet the word "mensa" is spanish slang for "stupid female".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983922</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>the Dragonweaver</author>
	<datestamp>1257021720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is not impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence if you are a smart person. The ONLY thing it requires is a little bit of patience when they don't grasp concepts quite as fast as you'd expect. As in, immediately. Granted, there is a gap: I can be friends with moderate-to-intelligent people, and I can be friends with special needs folks, but there's a particular level of "functional but dumb" that I have difficulties with.</p><p>I've only met a few of those in my life. One of them worked at my summer camp; when he quit and went home he was incapable of telling the driver where he lived. The kicker was that they called his mom and SHE didn't know their address either. This was fifteen years ago and I've heard that they still talk about him in disbelieving tones at the camp.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is not impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence if you are a smart person .
The ONLY thing it requires is a little bit of patience when they do n't grasp concepts quite as fast as you 'd expect .
As in , immediately .
Granted , there is a gap : I can be friends with moderate-to-intelligent people , and I can be friends with special needs folks , but there 's a particular level of " functional but dumb " that I have difficulties with.I 've only met a few of those in my life .
One of them worked at my summer camp ; when he quit and went home he was incapable of telling the driver where he lived .
The kicker was that they called his mom and SHE did n't know their address either .
This was fifteen years ago and I 've heard that they still talk about him in disbelieving tones at the camp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is not impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence if you are a smart person.
The ONLY thing it requires is a little bit of patience when they don't grasp concepts quite as fast as you'd expect.
As in, immediately.
Granted, there is a gap: I can be friends with moderate-to-intelligent people, and I can be friends with special needs folks, but there's a particular level of "functional but dumb" that I have difficulties with.I've only met a few of those in my life.
One of them worked at my summer camp; when he quit and went home he was incapable of telling the driver where he lived.
The kicker was that they called his mom and SHE didn't know their address either.
This was fifteen years ago and I've heard that they still talk about him in disbelieving tones at the camp.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257430320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd like to think i know more about computers than most people.  I have been told that I'm a world-class consultant in my field.</p><p>When my car broke down, it took me 2 hours to grab a troubleshooting manual and diagnose the ignition system, replace the ignition coil and ICM and actually discovered that the distributor was not aligned quite right, so I fixed that and now my car has way more power than it did.</p><p>But if your mechanic friend was to approach one of my projects for work, he wouldn't have even the foggiest clue.</p><p>In fact, even if most people were to approach an entry level computer hardware troubleshooting task, most people wouldn't bother.  They would scoff and say "damn computers, i can hardly even turn it on, i'm no rocket scientist... chuckle chuckle"</p><p>I read about options trading and in 2 hours (roughly), I was doing a simulated market and a month later I was apparently in the top 3\% of those active in the simulation.  Sure, I didn't know the intricacies of a butterfly spread, but I knew what it was and how one might use it.  Could someone get up to speed in my field in 2-3 hours?</p><p>Maybe it's intelligence, or maybe just motivation, or just sheer social pressure to remain ignorant, but I don't buy the "victim of circumstance" in many cases.</p><p>The only construction manager I know is in construction by chance, but I don't care what field he ended up in, it was his motivation that made him manager/owner and he would be a sales manager or a world class aerospace engineer if he'd fallen into that field instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to think i know more about computers than most people .
I have been told that I 'm a world-class consultant in my field.When my car broke down , it took me 2 hours to grab a troubleshooting manual and diagnose the ignition system , replace the ignition coil and ICM and actually discovered that the distributor was not aligned quite right , so I fixed that and now my car has way more power than it did.But if your mechanic friend was to approach one of my projects for work , he would n't have even the foggiest clue.In fact , even if most people were to approach an entry level computer hardware troubleshooting task , most people would n't bother .
They would scoff and say " damn computers , i can hardly even turn it on , i 'm no rocket scientist... chuckle chuckle " I read about options trading and in 2 hours ( roughly ) , I was doing a simulated market and a month later I was apparently in the top 3 \ % of those active in the simulation .
Sure , I did n't know the intricacies of a butterfly spread , but I knew what it was and how one might use it .
Could someone get up to speed in my field in 2-3 hours ? Maybe it 's intelligence , or maybe just motivation , or just sheer social pressure to remain ignorant , but I do n't buy the " victim of circumstance " in many cases.The only construction manager I know is in construction by chance , but I do n't care what field he ended up in , it was his motivation that made him manager/owner and he would be a sales manager or a world class aerospace engineer if he 'd fallen into that field instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to think i know more about computers than most people.
I have been told that I'm a world-class consultant in my field.When my car broke down, it took me 2 hours to grab a troubleshooting manual and diagnose the ignition system, replace the ignition coil and ICM and actually discovered that the distributor was not aligned quite right, so I fixed that and now my car has way more power than it did.But if your mechanic friend was to approach one of my projects for work, he wouldn't have even the foggiest clue.In fact, even if most people were to approach an entry level computer hardware troubleshooting task, most people wouldn't bother.
They would scoff and say "damn computers, i can hardly even turn it on, i'm no rocket scientist... chuckle chuckle"I read about options trading and in 2 hours (roughly), I was doing a simulated market and a month later I was apparently in the top 3\% of those active in the simulation.
Sure, I didn't know the intricacies of a butterfly spread, but I knew what it was and how one might use it.
Could someone get up to speed in my field in 2-3 hours?Maybe it's intelligence, or maybe just motivation, or just sheer social pressure to remain ignorant, but I don't buy the "victim of circumstance" in many cases.The only construction manager I know is in construction by chance, but I don't care what field he ended up in, it was his motivation that made him manager/owner and he would be a sales manager or a world class aerospace engineer if he'd fallen into that field instead.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983450</id>
	<title>Re:It reminds me of the old saying</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1257020280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That also reminds me of another phrase I once heard:</p><p>"Common sense is an imaginary concept invented by dumb people to make themselves feel better about the fact that they know only how to perform menial tasks."</p><p>Seriously, having lived among and listened to groups of country hicks who proclaim the loudest about the virtues of this "common sense" that they claim to have above most educated people, I've come to the conclusion that most of them are complete and utter retards.  Half the stuff they think is "common sense" is a bunch of flat our wrong preconceptions, and almost none of them have the faintest clue about how the world actually works.  I actually had an argument with one guy once who believed that the Department of Natural Resources wasn't part of the government - vehemently.  Because the Forestry Service was the government to him and those two groups were separate.  Trying to explain that one was a State agency and one was Federal just got blank stares and insistence that he was right.  The entire concept of the "gubmint" being broken down into groups, levels, or agencies was beyond him.</p><p>Another firmly believed that all the "global warming stuff" was caused by space shuttles "poking holes" in the atmosphere and letting more heat in.  Another literally claimed that the Catholic church was behind our original decision to fight in Iraq.</p><p>All of these people were morons, and like most morons, I've heard the same guys on countless occasions talk about how educated people "don't got no common sense".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That also reminds me of another phrase I once heard : " Common sense is an imaginary concept invented by dumb people to make themselves feel better about the fact that they know only how to perform menial tasks .
" Seriously , having lived among and listened to groups of country hicks who proclaim the loudest about the virtues of this " common sense " that they claim to have above most educated people , I 've come to the conclusion that most of them are complete and utter retards .
Half the stuff they think is " common sense " is a bunch of flat our wrong preconceptions , and almost none of them have the faintest clue about how the world actually works .
I actually had an argument with one guy once who believed that the Department of Natural Resources was n't part of the government - vehemently .
Because the Forestry Service was the government to him and those two groups were separate .
Trying to explain that one was a State agency and one was Federal just got blank stares and insistence that he was right .
The entire concept of the " gubmint " being broken down into groups , levels , or agencies was beyond him.Another firmly believed that all the " global warming stuff " was caused by space shuttles " poking holes " in the atmosphere and letting more heat in .
Another literally claimed that the Catholic church was behind our original decision to fight in Iraq.All of these people were morons , and like most morons , I 've heard the same guys on countless occasions talk about how educated people " do n't got no common sense " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That also reminds me of another phrase I once heard:"Common sense is an imaginary concept invented by dumb people to make themselves feel better about the fact that they know only how to perform menial tasks.
"Seriously, having lived among and listened to groups of country hicks who proclaim the loudest about the virtues of this "common sense" that they claim to have above most educated people, I've come to the conclusion that most of them are complete and utter retards.
Half the stuff they think is "common sense" is a bunch of flat our wrong preconceptions, and almost none of them have the faintest clue about how the world actually works.
I actually had an argument with one guy once who believed that the Department of Natural Resources wasn't part of the government - vehemently.
Because the Forestry Service was the government to him and those two groups were separate.
Trying to explain that one was a State agency and one was Federal just got blank stares and insistence that he was right.
The entire concept of the "gubmint" being broken down into groups, levels, or agencies was beyond him.Another firmly believed that all the "global warming stuff" was caused by space shuttles "poking holes" in the atmosphere and letting more heat in.
Another literally claimed that the Catholic church was behind our original decision to fight in Iraq.All of these people were morons, and like most morons, I've heard the same guys on countless occasions talk about how educated people "don't got no common sense".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982112</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257016800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Sometimes when you're smart, and things come easy to you, when you have to do something challenging it seems impossible.  Not necessarily because you are incapable of the task, but because you are not used to being challenged.  Like having to lift with muscles you've been neglecting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes when you 're smart , and things come easy to you , when you have to do something challenging it seems impossible .
Not necessarily because you are incapable of the task , but because you are not used to being challenged .
Like having to lift with muscles you 've been neglecting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes when you're smart, and things come easy to you, when you have to do something challenging it seems impossible.
Not necessarily because you are incapable of the task, but because you are not used to being challenged.
Like having to lift with muscles you've been neglecting.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29980994</id>
	<title>Smartest people I know are morons in some things</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257013440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Friend of mine, his father is a senior researcher for NIH. One of the smartest fellas you will ever meet, has multiple PhDs, charming and really has his act together professionally.</p><p>Came back from a concert one night, there was a note taped to the door. "I owe you a microwave." Inside, the house smells like burning compost, his Dad still forgets he can't microwave food with a fork inside. Has never been able to operate a microwave oven and this is about the tenth time he has done it.</p><p>His Dad owns a lot of land in Montgomery County, Maryland. He has made a lot of money off real estate investments. He has had a lot of disasters over the years as well, for things that would have seemed apparent to anyone else. Like not leaving untreated wood lying in pile all winter, not parking a backhoe at the top of a pile of dirt, not purchasing residentail land and trying to have it rezoned for multilevel commercial, etc.</p><p>It's not just forgetfulness, he has a hard time processing these realities of life. Without his family, I don't think he could function.</p><p>M</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Friend of mine , his father is a senior researcher for NIH .
One of the smartest fellas you will ever meet , has multiple PhDs , charming and really has his act together professionally.Came back from a concert one night , there was a note taped to the door .
" I owe you a microwave .
" Inside , the house smells like burning compost , his Dad still forgets he ca n't microwave food with a fork inside .
Has never been able to operate a microwave oven and this is about the tenth time he has done it.His Dad owns a lot of land in Montgomery County , Maryland .
He has made a lot of money off real estate investments .
He has had a lot of disasters over the years as well , for things that would have seemed apparent to anyone else .
Like not leaving untreated wood lying in pile all winter , not parking a backhoe at the top of a pile of dirt , not purchasing residentail land and trying to have it rezoned for multilevel commercial , etc.It 's not just forgetfulness , he has a hard time processing these realities of life .
Without his family , I do n't think he could function.M</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Friend of mine, his father is a senior researcher for NIH.
One of the smartest fellas you will ever meet, has multiple PhDs, charming and really has his act together professionally.Came back from a concert one night, there was a note taped to the door.
"I owe you a microwave.
" Inside, the house smells like burning compost, his Dad still forgets he can't microwave food with a fork inside.
Has never been able to operate a microwave oven and this is about the tenth time he has done it.His Dad owns a lot of land in Montgomery County, Maryland.
He has made a lot of money off real estate investments.
He has had a lot of disasters over the years as well, for things that would have seemed apparent to anyone else.
Like not leaving untreated wood lying in pile all winter, not parking a backhoe at the top of a pile of dirt, not purchasing residentail land and trying to have it rezoned for multilevel commercial, etc.It's not just forgetfulness, he has a hard time processing these realities of life.
Without his family, I don't think he could function.M</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29986668</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>pwfffff</author>
	<datestamp>1256987160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"You can be friends with anybody as long as you're mutually willing to accept each other as equals."</p><p>The key word here is 'mutual'. He can want to be friends with someone more than anything in the world, but if the other person thinks he's just a gosh-darned smarty pants then there's really not much he can do, is there?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You can be friends with anybody as long as you 're mutually willing to accept each other as equals .
" The key word here is 'mutual' .
He can want to be friends with someone more than anything in the world , but if the other person thinks he 's just a gosh-darned smarty pants then there 's really not much he can do , is there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You can be friends with anybody as long as you're mutually willing to accept each other as equals.
"The key word here is 'mutual'.
He can want to be friends with someone more than anything in the world, but if the other person thinks he's just a gosh-darned smarty pants then there's really not much he can do, is there?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981678</id>
	<title>A high IQ means you are smart, by definition</title>
	<author>davidwr</author>
	<datestamp>1257015480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>A truly high IQ by definition means you are smart, at least with respect to the particular flavor of intelligence we are talking about, i.e. math and logic.</p><p>However, a high score on a particular IQ test doesn't mean you have a high IQ, it could just mean you know how to take that particular IQ test, or that other factors such as an ideal testing situation or dumb luck boosted your score.  Likewise, a low IQ score doesn't mean you are not smart, for similar reasons.</p><p>There are also many "kinds of intelligence," sometimes called talents, including innate musical ability, athletic ability, the ability to think on your feet, the ability to understand social situations easily, etc. etc. etc. that are not part of a typical Intelligence Quotient.</p><p>Oh, and being IQ-smart doesn't necessarily mean you'll be better at any given task than someone who isn't IQ-smart.  You can also be smart but be seriously lacking in your ability to make good judgments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A truly high IQ by definition means you are smart , at least with respect to the particular flavor of intelligence we are talking about , i.e .
math and logic.However , a high score on a particular IQ test does n't mean you have a high IQ , it could just mean you know how to take that particular IQ test , or that other factors such as an ideal testing situation or dumb luck boosted your score .
Likewise , a low IQ score does n't mean you are not smart , for similar reasons.There are also many " kinds of intelligence , " sometimes called talents , including innate musical ability , athletic ability , the ability to think on your feet , the ability to understand social situations easily , etc .
etc. etc .
that are not part of a typical Intelligence Quotient.Oh , and being IQ-smart does n't necessarily mean you 'll be better at any given task than someone who is n't IQ-smart .
You can also be smart but be seriously lacking in your ability to make good judgments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A truly high IQ by definition means you are smart, at least with respect to the particular flavor of intelligence we are talking about, i.e.
math and logic.However, a high score on a particular IQ test doesn't mean you have a high IQ, it could just mean you know how to take that particular IQ test, or that other factors such as an ideal testing situation or dumb luck boosted your score.
Likewise, a low IQ score doesn't mean you are not smart, for similar reasons.There are also many "kinds of intelligence," sometimes called talents, including innate musical ability, athletic ability, the ability to think on your feet, the ability to understand social situations easily, etc.
etc. etc.
that are not part of a typical Intelligence Quotient.Oh, and being IQ-smart doesn't necessarily mean you'll be better at any given task than someone who isn't IQ-smart.
You can also be smart but be seriously lacking in your ability to make good judgments.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29980990</id>
	<title>Apples &amp; Oranges</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1257013440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>An 'IQ' is quantitative. The term 'smart' is qualitative. Comparing them at all is like comparing ones 'income' with how 'rich' they are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An 'IQ ' is quantitative .
The term 'smart ' is qualitative .
Comparing them at all is like comparing ones 'income ' with how 'rich ' they are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An 'IQ' is quantitative.
The term 'smart' is qualitative.
Comparing them at all is like comparing ones 'income' with how 'rich' they are.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Even Newton</title>
	<author>TrashGod</author>
	<datestamp>1257016500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even Sir Isaac Newton fell for the South Sea Bubble of 1719, not <a href="http://www.flipkart.com/devil-take-hindmost-edward-chancellor/0452281806-ixw3fsx6mb" title="flipkart.com" rel="nofollow">once</a> [flipkart.com] but <a href="http://www.squarecirclez.com/blog/isaac-newton-loses-his-fortune/688" title="squarecirclez.com" rel="nofollow">twice</a> [squarecirclez.com]!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even Sir Isaac Newton fell for the South Sea Bubble of 1719 , not once [ flipkart.com ] but twice [ squarecirclez.com ] !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even Sir Isaac Newton fell for the South Sea Bubble of 1719, not once [flipkart.com] but twice [squarecirclez.com]!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983086</id>
	<title>Re:IQ is not the same as EQ</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, IQ would be the max speed attainable by a car, and EQ would be the engine's gallons per mile...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , IQ would be the max speed attainable by a car , and EQ would be the engine 's gallons per mile.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, IQ would be the max speed attainable by a car, and EQ would be the engine's gallons per mile...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984380</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>eulernet</author>
	<datestamp>1256979960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It seems to me that you concentrate too much on your technical skills.</p><p>It's time to work on yourself, and on your interaction with the outside world.<br>Stop trying to change people, but try to change yourself !</p><p>Why don't you read some books on human interactions and start a psychoanalysis ?<br>I recommend you the excellent book: How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.</p><p>Also, you may have problems with authority at work (probably a pattern in your life).<br>Working on that will ease your pain and you'll probably find your place in life (whatever that means).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that you concentrate too much on your technical skills.It 's time to work on yourself , and on your interaction with the outside world.Stop trying to change people , but try to change yourself ! Why do n't you read some books on human interactions and start a psychoanalysis ? I recommend you the excellent book : How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.Also , you may have problems with authority at work ( probably a pattern in your life ) .Working on that will ease your pain and you 'll probably find your place in life ( whatever that means ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that you concentrate too much on your technical skills.It's time to work on yourself, and on your interaction with the outside world.Stop trying to change people, but try to change yourself !Why don't you read some books on human interactions and start a psychoanalysis ?I recommend you the excellent book: How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.Also, you may have problems with authority at work (probably a pattern in your life).Working on that will ease your pain and you'll probably find your place in life (whatever that means).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984632</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1256980800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>unhinged focus on "business" to the exclusion of all kinds of things like their family seems to be another.</i></p><p>A guy I know <a href="http://slashdot.org/~mcgrew/journal/222619" title="slashdot.org">used to be a multimillionaire</a> [slashdot.org] but dropped out of the rat race.</p><p>I asked him if dropping out was worth it. "So, you're happy?"</p><p>"No," he admitted. "But I'm a hell of a lot less miserable than I was when I had all that money. You wouldn't believe the headaches that money gave me."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>unhinged focus on " business " to the exclusion of all kinds of things like their family seems to be another.A guy I know used to be a multimillionaire [ slashdot.org ] but dropped out of the rat race.I asked him if dropping out was worth it .
" So , you 're happy ?
" " No , " he admitted .
" But I 'm a hell of a lot less miserable than I was when I had all that money .
You would n't believe the headaches that money gave me .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>unhinged focus on "business" to the exclusion of all kinds of things like their family seems to be another.A guy I know used to be a multimillionaire [slashdot.org] but dropped out of the rat race.I asked him if dropping out was worth it.
"So, you're happy?
""No," he admitted.
"But I'm a hell of a lot less miserable than I was when I had all that money.
You wouldn't believe the headaches that money gave me.
"</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:INT vs WIS</title>
	<author>Ozlanthos</author>
	<datestamp>1256992020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
If your turn was being scored for it's humor you'd need a die with more than 5 sides!
</p><p>

ROTFL!

</p><p>
-Oz
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If your turn was being scored for it 's humor you 'd need a die with more than 5 sides !
ROTFL ! -Oz</tokentext>
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If your turn was being scored for it's humor you'd need a die with more than 5 sides!
ROTFL!


-Oz
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	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257007500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Hi, long time reader, first time poster. This topic got me thinking.<br>I strongly dislike IQ tests not because of the potentially valuable (albeit to a point) information that they provide, but because it has such potential to pigeonhole people into groups and create jerks out of it.<br>I once had a friend (I don't consider him a friend now) that loved to brag about how intelligent he was compared to everybody else (And had a smug, super-critical, "I'm better than you" attitude when he had an opinion on ANYTHING). Not only this, but he would hypocritically not find anything wrong with his wasting hundreds of hours playing every game he could get his hands on and in general, not doing ANYTHING with his life. This lazy, "I could do it if I wanted to because I have a high IQ, but I don't want to" deeply offends me, in a "I wish that human-trash like that didn't exist" sort of way (Which distresses me, as I'm not a person that usually harbors such feelings of hatred). Surely as a human he has merits, but his existence strikes me as the same as someone that does nothing but consumes food, becomes obese, doesn't do anything with his life, but says "Yeah, I could get thin if I wanted to, because I KNOW I have athletic ability, the coach told me so. I just don't feel like using it right now."<br>Oh well, a douchebag will find a reason to act like a douchebag. If it's not IQ, he'll find something else. But if he didn't have a high IQ, he'd just be a critical douchebag that wastes his time playing video games all day. Now he's a critical douchebag that wastes his time playing video games all day, WITH a high IQ! Maybe I resent him so much because he uses the "assumed intelligence" that an IQ test has given him to allow for a willful ignorance and mental laziness. Words cannot describe how strongly I disagree with this lifestyle.<br>But thinking about him causes me to reflect on my own definition of intelligence. I consider myself to be somewhat intelligent (I can speak three languages, I enjoy learning stuff on my own, oh god I'm turning into him! Nooo!). Although I have a hard time finding people I can have lively intellectual conversations with (Where my opinion of something changes after I'm finished), I can still have semi-meaningful conversations with others, even if they don't share my mental outlook (They just aren't NEARLY as rewarding).<br>Also to echo what was said, I believe that creativity and open-mindedness are, overall, more valuable than raw IQ power. When playing basketball, height matters to a certain extent, but someone shorter can still be effective at the game. In the same way, one's overall intelligence can matter, but only to a certain extent. HOW ONE USES such intelligence (Creativity) has a great deal of influence on the outcome. It's just that IQ seems to be overstated so often...<br>And it could also be the test-centric society we live in (At least that's the way things are in America, go for the test score rather than learn things effectively). I'll stop now, I just wanted to contribute.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi , long time reader , first time poster .
This topic got me thinking.I strongly dislike IQ tests not because of the potentially valuable ( albeit to a point ) information that they provide , but because it has such potential to pigeonhole people into groups and create jerks out of it.I once had a friend ( I do n't consider him a friend now ) that loved to brag about how intelligent he was compared to everybody else ( And had a smug , super-critical , " I 'm better than you " attitude when he had an opinion on ANYTHING ) .
Not only this , but he would hypocritically not find anything wrong with his wasting hundreds of hours playing every game he could get his hands on and in general , not doing ANYTHING with his life .
This lazy , " I could do it if I wanted to because I have a high IQ , but I do n't want to " deeply offends me , in a " I wish that human-trash like that did n't exist " sort of way ( Which distresses me , as I 'm not a person that usually harbors such feelings of hatred ) .
Surely as a human he has merits , but his existence strikes me as the same as someone that does nothing but consumes food , becomes obese , does n't do anything with his life , but says " Yeah , I could get thin if I wanted to , because I KNOW I have athletic ability , the coach told me so .
I just do n't feel like using it right now .
" Oh well , a douchebag will find a reason to act like a douchebag .
If it 's not IQ , he 'll find something else .
But if he did n't have a high IQ , he 'd just be a critical douchebag that wastes his time playing video games all day .
Now he 's a critical douchebag that wastes his time playing video games all day , WITH a high IQ !
Maybe I resent him so much because he uses the " assumed intelligence " that an IQ test has given him to allow for a willful ignorance and mental laziness .
Words can not describe how strongly I disagree with this lifestyle.But thinking about him causes me to reflect on my own definition of intelligence .
I consider myself to be somewhat intelligent ( I can speak three languages , I enjoy learning stuff on my own , oh god I 'm turning into him !
Nooo ! ) . Although I have a hard time finding people I can have lively intellectual conversations with ( Where my opinion of something changes after I 'm finished ) , I can still have semi-meaningful conversations with others , even if they do n't share my mental outlook ( They just are n't NEARLY as rewarding ) .Also to echo what was said , I believe that creativity and open-mindedness are , overall , more valuable than raw IQ power .
When playing basketball , height matters to a certain extent , but someone shorter can still be effective at the game .
In the same way , one 's overall intelligence can matter , but only to a certain extent .
HOW ONE USES such intelligence ( Creativity ) has a great deal of influence on the outcome .
It 's just that IQ seems to be overstated so often...And it could also be the test-centric society we live in ( At least that 's the way things are in America , go for the test score rather than learn things effectively ) .
I 'll stop now , I just wanted to contribute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi, long time reader, first time poster.
This topic got me thinking.I strongly dislike IQ tests not because of the potentially valuable (albeit to a point) information that they provide, but because it has such potential to pigeonhole people into groups and create jerks out of it.I once had a friend (I don't consider him a friend now) that loved to brag about how intelligent he was compared to everybody else (And had a smug, super-critical, "I'm better than you" attitude when he had an opinion on ANYTHING).
Not only this, but he would hypocritically not find anything wrong with his wasting hundreds of hours playing every game he could get his hands on and in general, not doing ANYTHING with his life.
This lazy, "I could do it if I wanted to because I have a high IQ, but I don't want to" deeply offends me, in a "I wish that human-trash like that didn't exist" sort of way (Which distresses me, as I'm not a person that usually harbors such feelings of hatred).
Surely as a human he has merits, but his existence strikes me as the same as someone that does nothing but consumes food, becomes obese, doesn't do anything with his life, but says "Yeah, I could get thin if I wanted to, because I KNOW I have athletic ability, the coach told me so.
I just don't feel like using it right now.
"Oh well, a douchebag will find a reason to act like a douchebag.
If it's not IQ, he'll find something else.
But if he didn't have a high IQ, he'd just be a critical douchebag that wastes his time playing video games all day.
Now he's a critical douchebag that wastes his time playing video games all day, WITH a high IQ!
Maybe I resent him so much because he uses the "assumed intelligence" that an IQ test has given him to allow for a willful ignorance and mental laziness.
Words cannot describe how strongly I disagree with this lifestyle.But thinking about him causes me to reflect on my own definition of intelligence.
I consider myself to be somewhat intelligent (I can speak three languages, I enjoy learning stuff on my own, oh god I'm turning into him!
Nooo!). Although I have a hard time finding people I can have lively intellectual conversations with (Where my opinion of something changes after I'm finished), I can still have semi-meaningful conversations with others, even if they don't share my mental outlook (They just aren't NEARLY as rewarding).Also to echo what was said, I believe that creativity and open-mindedness are, overall, more valuable than raw IQ power.
When playing basketball, height matters to a certain extent, but someone shorter can still be effective at the game.
In the same way, one's overall intelligence can matter, but only to a certain extent.
HOW ONE USES such intelligence (Creativity) has a great deal of influence on the outcome.
It's just that IQ seems to be overstated so often...And it could also be the test-centric society we live in (At least that's the way things are in America, go for the test score rather than learn things effectively).
I'll stop now, I just wanted to contribute.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984326</id>
	<title>Re:It reminds me of the old saying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256979840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Especially when the person in question grew up in the fucking suburbs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially when the person in question grew up in the fucking suburbs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially when the person in question grew up in the fucking suburbs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981484</id>
	<title>Intelligence != wisdom.</title>
	<author>mweather</author>
	<datestamp>1257014940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some of the wisest people I know have Down Syndrome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of the wisest people I know have Down Syndrome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of the wisest people I know have Down Syndrome.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981742</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>crmarvin42</author>
	<datestamp>1257015660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apparently you are poor, becuase most of the rich people I know are very intelligent.  They earned their money (ie not "Old Money") legitimately (ie not "Celebrity Money") and are not connected with hollywood (ie not actors, directors or writters).<br> <br>Some rich people are stupid, but so are most of the poor people I know so unless you've got a couple of citations to back up your obviously prejudiced opinions your just a troll.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently you are poor , becuase most of the rich people I know are very intelligent .
They earned their money ( ie not " Old Money " ) legitimately ( ie not " Celebrity Money " ) and are not connected with hollywood ( ie not actors , directors or writters ) .
Some rich people are stupid , but so are most of the poor people I know so unless you 've got a couple of citations to back up your obviously prejudiced opinions your just a troll .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently you are poor, becuase most of the rich people I know are very intelligent.
They earned their money (ie not "Old Money") legitimately (ie not "Celebrity Money") and are not connected with hollywood (ie not actors, directors or writters).
Some rich people are stupid, but so are most of the poor people I know so unless you've got a couple of citations to back up your obviously prejudiced opinions your just a troll.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982952</id>
	<title>Re:GiGo</title>
	<author>Bat Country</author>
	<datestamp>1257019020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It might be worth suggesting that the only valid measure for intelligence should be whether or not you are capable of determining and willing to determine if the input you are given is garbage by comparing it against other input.</p><p>Or whether you are capable of adjusting a belief when you discover inconsistencies between realities and your construction of it which forms the basis for that belief.</p><p>If you believe Von Braun invented rocketry, you would be expected to revise that belief when learning of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwacha" title="wikipedia.org">hwacha</a> [wikipedia.org] if you were to be considered intelligent.  If you instead denied that it ever happened and clung to your belief, you would by that metric be regarded as less intelligent than average.</p><p>See Holocaust deniers, biblical literalist creationists and other individuals who cling to ideas solely by denying the truth of all evidence counter to that belief.  If, however, either party had by rational process discounted the relevance of that evidence, while some people might consider them a crank, they would nonetheless at least be exhibiting some measure of intelligence by that proposed metric.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It might be worth suggesting that the only valid measure for intelligence should be whether or not you are capable of determining and willing to determine if the input you are given is garbage by comparing it against other input.Or whether you are capable of adjusting a belief when you discover inconsistencies between realities and your construction of it which forms the basis for that belief.If you believe Von Braun invented rocketry , you would be expected to revise that belief when learning of hwacha [ wikipedia.org ] if you were to be considered intelligent .
If you instead denied that it ever happened and clung to your belief , you would by that metric be regarded as less intelligent than average.See Holocaust deniers , biblical literalist creationists and other individuals who cling to ideas solely by denying the truth of all evidence counter to that belief .
If , however , either party had by rational process discounted the relevance of that evidence , while some people might consider them a crank , they would nonetheless at least be exhibiting some measure of intelligence by that proposed metric .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It might be worth suggesting that the only valid measure for intelligence should be whether or not you are capable of determining and willing to determine if the input you are given is garbage by comparing it against other input.Or whether you are capable of adjusting a belief when you discover inconsistencies between realities and your construction of it which forms the basis for that belief.If you believe Von Braun invented rocketry, you would be expected to revise that belief when learning of hwacha [wikipedia.org] if you were to be considered intelligent.
If you instead denied that it ever happened and clung to your belief, you would by that metric be regarded as less intelligent than average.See Holocaust deniers, biblical literalist creationists and other individuals who cling to ideas solely by denying the truth of all evidence counter to that belief.
If, however, either party had by rational process discounted the relevance of that evidence, while some people might consider them a crank, they would nonetheless at least be exhibiting some measure of intelligence by that proposed metric.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29985634</id>
	<title>Not news to me, either (unfortunately)</title>
	<author>Codex\_of\_Wisdom</author>
	<datestamp>1256983800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I scored 130-140 on my IQ tests (depending on the test, I took two or three through my life -\_- stupid schools) and I know for a fact my brain is <i>slower</i> than average. I just retain knowledge above average. So by most definitions, I'm dumb and smart at the same time!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I scored 130-140 on my IQ tests ( depending on the test , I took two or three through my life - \ _- stupid schools ) and I know for a fact my brain is slower than average .
I just retain knowledge above average .
So by most definitions , I 'm dumb and smart at the same time !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I scored 130-140 on my IQ tests (depending on the test, I took two or three through my life -\_- stupid schools) and I know for a fact my brain is slower than average.
I just retain knowledge above average.
So by most definitions, I'm dumb and smart at the same time!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981426</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1257014700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mensa and testing agencies have been making it clear for a couple decades now that IQ only measures your ability to take tests.</p></div><p>Some people have even argued that IQ tests are <a href="http://www.gladwell.com/2007/2007\_12\_17\_c\_iq.html" title="gladwell.com">to some degree cultural</a> [gladwell.com].  But yeah, for one thing, taking tests is a skill in itself.  There's usually a certain logic to the answers in multiple choice tests, for example, and knowing that logic can allow you to make good guesses even if you have no idea what the answer is.  Essay questions are harder to fake, but a lot of times it boils down to giving the answer that the person who's evaluating the answer wants to hear.  If you give a very intelligent answer that the teacher or TA hates, it's going to get marked wrong.
</p><p>So there's such a thing as general test-taking ability, and then individual tests have their own skills.  You can study for the SATs, and you can even study for a given model of IQ test.
</p><p>But let's even assume you've successfully tested a person's "intelligence" in the sense of their memory, spacial sense, raw ability to crunch numbers, etc.  That still doesn't account for their experience in a given situation, their moral judgement, or any number of other cognitive skills.  You might have the highest IQ in the world and be great at understanding a math proof, but if my car breaks down I'm still going to trust a mechanic's judgement on what's broken before I trust yours.  The mechanic will have more knowledge and experience about the particular subject matter.  Likewise, I might not trust some half-autistic genius's advice on interpersonal relationships even if he's a brilliant physicist.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Mensa and testing agencies have been making it clear for a couple decades now that IQ only measures your ability to take tests.Some people have even argued that IQ tests are to some degree cultural [ gladwell.com ] .
But yeah , for one thing , taking tests is a skill in itself .
There 's usually a certain logic to the answers in multiple choice tests , for example , and knowing that logic can allow you to make good guesses even if you have no idea what the answer is .
Essay questions are harder to fake , but a lot of times it boils down to giving the answer that the person who 's evaluating the answer wants to hear .
If you give a very intelligent answer that the teacher or TA hates , it 's going to get marked wrong .
So there 's such a thing as general test-taking ability , and then individual tests have their own skills .
You can study for the SATs , and you can even study for a given model of IQ test .
But let 's even assume you 've successfully tested a person 's " intelligence " in the sense of their memory , spacial sense , raw ability to crunch numbers , etc .
That still does n't account for their experience in a given situation , their moral judgement , or any number of other cognitive skills .
You might have the highest IQ in the world and be great at understanding a math proof , but if my car breaks down I 'm still going to trust a mechanic 's judgement on what 's broken before I trust yours .
The mechanic will have more knowledge and experience about the particular subject matter .
Likewise , I might not trust some half-autistic genius 's advice on interpersonal relationships even if he 's a brilliant physicist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mensa and testing agencies have been making it clear for a couple decades now that IQ only measures your ability to take tests.Some people have even argued that IQ tests are to some degree cultural [gladwell.com].
But yeah, for one thing, taking tests is a skill in itself.
There's usually a certain logic to the answers in multiple choice tests, for example, and knowing that logic can allow you to make good guesses even if you have no idea what the answer is.
Essay questions are harder to fake, but a lot of times it boils down to giving the answer that the person who's evaluating the answer wants to hear.
If you give a very intelligent answer that the teacher or TA hates, it's going to get marked wrong.
So there's such a thing as general test-taking ability, and then individual tests have their own skills.
You can study for the SATs, and you can even study for a given model of IQ test.
But let's even assume you've successfully tested a person's "intelligence" in the sense of their memory, spacial sense, raw ability to crunch numbers, etc.
That still doesn't account for their experience in a given situation, their moral judgement, or any number of other cognitive skills.
You might have the highest IQ in the world and be great at understanding a math proof, but if my car breaks down I'm still going to trust a mechanic's judgement on what's broken before I trust yours.
The mechanic will have more knowledge and experience about the particular subject matter.
Likewise, I might not trust some half-autistic genius's advice on interpersonal relationships even if he's a brilliant physicist.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29989178</id>
	<title>Re:I knew this 25 years ago...</title>
	<author>turing\_m</author>
	<datestamp>1256998500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>When the GM at my first AD&amp;D game explained the difference between INT and WIS....</p></div></blockquote><p>
INT for wizards, WIS for saving throws?</p></div>
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<tokenext>When the GM at my first AD&amp;D game explained the difference between INT and WIS... . INT for wizards , WIS for saving throws ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the GM at my first AD&amp;D game explained the difference between INT and WIS....
INT for wizards, WIS for saving throws?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984064</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Paracelcus</author>
	<datestamp>1257022140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"mensa", dear God you didn't go there?  when you were a kid I bet you got your ass kicked a lot, and if some jack-ass academician makes up some silly test that measures the ability to interact with things that the tester and the testee have in common (social and environmental factors known to a specific ethno-cultural group) what have you measured?  Oh mommy, kook at the chimp stack the boxes to get at the banana!</p><p>God I hate IQ tests!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" mensa " , dear God you did n't go there ?
when you were a kid I bet you got your ass kicked a lot , and if some jack-ass academician makes up some silly test that measures the ability to interact with things that the tester and the testee have in common ( social and environmental factors known to a specific ethno-cultural group ) what have you measured ?
Oh mommy , kook at the chimp stack the boxes to get at the banana ! God I hate IQ tests !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"mensa", dear God you didn't go there?
when you were a kid I bet you got your ass kicked a lot, and if some jack-ass academician makes up some silly test that measures the ability to interact with things that the tester and the testee have in common (social and environmental factors known to a specific ethno-cultural group) what have you measured?
Oh mommy, kook at the chimp stack the boxes to get at the banana!God I hate IQ tests!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982460</id>
	<title>Re:It reminds me of the old saying</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1257017700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...you're holding up Glenn Beck as a reference on "common sense"? <a href="http://stonecipher.typepad.com/the\_stonecipher\_report/2009/03/more-evidence-that-glenn-beck-is-insane.html" title="typepad.com">Really</a> [typepad.com]? Just because someone calls a duck a dog does not make it a dog. Glenn Beck has as much connection to common sense as your thoughts have a connection to controlling the motion of the planets.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...you 're holding up Glenn Beck as a reference on " common sense " ?
Really [ typepad.com ] ?
Just because someone calls a duck a dog does not make it a dog .
Glenn Beck has as much connection to common sense as your thoughts have a connection to controlling the motion of the planets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...you're holding up Glenn Beck as a reference on "common sense"?
Really [typepad.com]?
Just because someone calls a duck a dog does not make it a dog.
Glenn Beck has as much connection to common sense as your thoughts have a connection to controlling the motion of the planets.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981390</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257014580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rich people generally aren't intelligent.</p><p>In fact, the vast majority of them are fucking imbeciles.</p><p>The vast majority of money the rich have is old money.  No need to work hard or try to learn when daddy will buy you whatever you want.</p><p>The vast majority of money the rich have that isn't old money is celebrity money.  Why work hard or learn when you rake in cash for acting?</p><p>Hell, why bother acting when you have tits?</p><p>Hell, why bother directing or writing when you can just hire some tits and explosions?</p><p>In summary, rich people are stupid, because being stupid is easy, and the rich have it easy.  The rest of us have to put up with their crap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rich people generally are n't intelligent.In fact , the vast majority of them are fucking imbeciles.The vast majority of money the rich have is old money .
No need to work hard or try to learn when daddy will buy you whatever you want.The vast majority of money the rich have that is n't old money is celebrity money .
Why work hard or learn when you rake in cash for acting ? Hell , why bother acting when you have tits ? Hell , why bother directing or writing when you can just hire some tits and explosions ? In summary , rich people are stupid , because being stupid is easy , and the rich have it easy .
The rest of us have to put up with their crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rich people generally aren't intelligent.In fact, the vast majority of them are fucking imbeciles.The vast majority of money the rich have is old money.
No need to work hard or try to learn when daddy will buy you whatever you want.The vast majority of money the rich have that isn't old money is celebrity money.
Why work hard or learn when you rake in cash for acting?Hell, why bother acting when you have tits?Hell, why bother directing or writing when you can just hire some tits and explosions?In summary, rich people are stupid, because being stupid is easy, and the rich have it easy.
The rest of us have to put up with their crap.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982048</id>
	<title>Not too dumb</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257016620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But a high IQ does indicate that you are not too dumb</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But a high IQ does indicate that you are not too dumb</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But a high IQ does indicate that you are not too dumb</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257018300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I myself have a very high IQ, I cant remember what the number is because it is of no importance to me.  In my head I see some things as being useless to me and I have no knowledge of it at all.  I can not tell you what an adverb or pronoun is and it does not bother me.  I can however do calculus in my head.  When I was studying engineering I had a horrible time in my calculus classes.  Every one in my study groups had the highest grades in the classes.  I however could not pass them.  Every one I studied with could not figure out why I was failing, I was the one teaching them.  It is for several reasons.  I cannot read my own handwriting and thinks get jumbled up when I put them on paper making doing math on paper impossible.  I can not remember formulas, I understand it and figure out the formula every time.  I eventually dropped out of college because after 8 years of engineering school I saw that it was going to take at least another 8 to finish.<br>I always felt that IQ is a measure of mental capacity.  the way that mental capacity is spread is different for every one.  some people it is very focused and people asume they are smart but absent minded or dumb but well rounded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I myself have a very high IQ , I cant remember what the number is because it is of no importance to me .
In my head I see some things as being useless to me and I have no knowledge of it at all .
I can not tell you what an adverb or pronoun is and it does not bother me .
I can however do calculus in my head .
When I was studying engineering I had a horrible time in my calculus classes .
Every one in my study groups had the highest grades in the classes .
I however could not pass them .
Every one I studied with could not figure out why I was failing , I was the one teaching them .
It is for several reasons .
I can not read my own handwriting and thinks get jumbled up when I put them on paper making doing math on paper impossible .
I can not remember formulas , I understand it and figure out the formula every time .
I eventually dropped out of college because after 8 years of engineering school I saw that it was going to take at least another 8 to finish.I always felt that IQ is a measure of mental capacity .
the way that mental capacity is spread is different for every one .
some people it is very focused and people asume they are smart but absent minded or dumb but well rounded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I myself have a very high IQ, I cant remember what the number is because it is of no importance to me.
In my head I see some things as being useless to me and I have no knowledge of it at all.
I can not tell you what an adverb or pronoun is and it does not bother me.
I can however do calculus in my head.
When I was studying engineering I had a horrible time in my calculus classes.
Every one in my study groups had the highest grades in the classes.
I however could not pass them.
Every one I studied with could not figure out why I was failing, I was the one teaching them.
It is for several reasons.
I cannot read my own handwriting and thinks get jumbled up when I put them on paper making doing math on paper impossible.
I can not remember formulas, I understand it and figure out the formula every time.
I eventually dropped out of college because after 8 years of engineering school I saw that it was going to take at least another 8 to finish.I always felt that IQ is a measure of mental capacity.
the way that mental capacity is spread is different for every one.
some people it is very focused and people asume they are smart but absent minded or dumb but well rounded.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988974</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1256997300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Right, not only that, but if you can just do things without having to spend time learning them there's other issues that come into play. For instance it's hard to appreciate something if you just start doing it and succeed immediately. Additionally it can lead to confidence problems when one can't readily discern whether or not the quality is good.<br> <br>

But on a whole you'd be right about it, I just pick up on things that most other people don't, and I generally can't explain why. I just pick up on that if I do things in a certain way that they seem to just work, and to an extent that impresses other people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , not only that , but if you can just do things without having to spend time learning them there 's other issues that come into play .
For instance it 's hard to appreciate something if you just start doing it and succeed immediately .
Additionally it can lead to confidence problems when one ca n't readily discern whether or not the quality is good .
But on a whole you 'd be right about it , I just pick up on things that most other people do n't , and I generally ca n't explain why .
I just pick up on that if I do things in a certain way that they seem to just work , and to an extent that impresses other people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, not only that, but if you can just do things without having to spend time learning them there's other issues that come into play.
For instance it's hard to appreciate something if you just start doing it and succeed immediately.
Additionally it can lead to confidence problems when one can't readily discern whether or not the quality is good.
But on a whole you'd be right about it, I just pick up on things that most other people don't, and I generally can't explain why.
I just pick up on that if I do things in a certain way that they seem to just work, and to an extent that impresses other people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29986182</id>
	<title>Common Sense vs. Intelligence</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1256985420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>In general, Common sense is doing what others taught you, or what you think that others will want (hence "common"). Intelligence is the ability to reason in new directions. Basically, the smarter you are, the stronger your ability to overcome common sense. The problems come in when bright ppl do not have a strong moral ethics. For example, some of the brightest republicans have the least scruples; REAL BAD COMBO.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In general , Common sense is doing what others taught you , or what you think that others will want ( hence " common " ) .
Intelligence is the ability to reason in new directions .
Basically , the smarter you are , the stronger your ability to overcome common sense .
The problems come in when bright ppl do not have a strong moral ethics .
For example , some of the brightest republicans have the least scruples ; REAL BAD COMBO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In general, Common sense is doing what others taught you, or what you think that others will want (hence "common").
Intelligence is the ability to reason in new directions.
Basically, the smarter you are, the stronger your ability to overcome common sense.
The problems come in when bright ppl do not have a strong moral ethics.
For example, some of the brightest republicans have the least scruples; REAL BAD COMBO.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982256</id>
	<title>Oblig. Einstein Quote</title>
	<author>relguj9</author>
	<datestamp>1257017100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><i>"It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer."</i> <br> <br>
Albert Einstein</htmltext>
<tokenext>" It 's not that I 'm so smart , it 's just that I stay with problems longer .
" Albert Einstein</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer.
"  
Albert Einstein</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983036</id>
	<title>One of my favorite quotes</title>
	<author>dave562</author>
	<datestamp>1257019260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.  Talent will not;<br>nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.  Genius will not;<br>unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.  Education will not; the world is<br>full of educated derelicts.  Persistence and determination alone are<br>omnipotent.  The slogan "Press On" has solved and always will solve the<br>problems of the human race.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -Calvin Coolidge</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence .
Talent will not ; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent .
Genius will not ; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb .
Education will not ; the world isfull of educated derelicts .
Persistence and determination alone areomnipotent .
The slogan " Press On " has solved and always will solve theproblems of the human race .
                                                                          -Calvin Coolidge</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.
Talent will not;nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not;unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
Education will not; the world isfull of educated derelicts.
Persistence and determination alone areomnipotent.
The slogan "Press On" has solved and always will solve theproblems of the human race.
                                                                          -Calvin Coolidge</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29987740</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>vertinox</author>
	<datestamp>1256991300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>They are risk takers</i></p><p>Hold the phone....</p><p>I hope you mean calculated risk takers, because there are a lot of ex-millionaires out there that lost all their fortunes through dumb financial moves on risky markets.</p><p>Anyone who does anything that involves stocks or bonds will tell you upfront risk does not always equal reward. Its "risk mitigators" who eventually win out in the end.</p><p>How many hardworking people lost their 401K in 2008?</p><p>A lot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are risk takersHold the phone....I hope you mean calculated risk takers , because there are a lot of ex-millionaires out there that lost all their fortunes through dumb financial moves on risky markets.Anyone who does anything that involves stocks or bonds will tell you upfront risk does not always equal reward .
Its " risk mitigators " who eventually win out in the end.How many hardworking people lost their 401K in 2008 ? A lot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are risk takersHold the phone....I hope you mean calculated risk takers, because there are a lot of ex-millionaires out there that lost all their fortunes through dumb financial moves on risky markets.Anyone who does anything that involves stocks or bonds will tell you upfront risk does not always equal reward.
Its "risk mitigators" who eventually win out in the end.How many hardworking people lost their 401K in 2008?A lot.</sentencetext>
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	<title>poorly worded basic math problems is high iq?</title>
	<author>lorg</author>
	<datestamp>1256992200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I don't really get some of these tests, what exactlly is high iq about ripping apart and rephrasing poorly worded math basic problems? They are trying to trick you and that is what you are figuring out and once you know that then it's quite easy.</p><p>"1) A bat and a ball cost $1.10 in total. The bat costs $1 more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?"</p><p>So the bat doesn't cost $1, that was the "trick" part. It cost $1+x and the ball cost x and the total is $1.10; 1+x+x=1.10; 2x=0.10 x=0.05; The ball is 5 cents.</p><p>"2) If it takes five machines 5 minutes to make five widgets, how long would it take 100 machines to make 100 widgets?"</p><p>Read it, seprate it and figure out that it takes 1 machine 5 minutes to make 1 widget. 5 machines running at the same time for 5 minutes make 5 widgets. So 100 machines will require 5 minutes to make 100 widgets.</p><p>"3) In a lake, there is a patch of lily pads. Every day, the patch doubles in size. If it takes 48 days for the patch to cover the entire lake, how long would it take for the patch to cover half of it?"</p><p>Just count backwards, it shrinks to half the previous day so you just move backwards so on day 48 it was full, 47 half, 46 a quarter<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Have the school system become so crap that people can't even figure this out? Is "high iq" just about solving other peoples crappy word problems?</p><p>I recall some basic math courses and the teacher was trying to be funny as some kinda thought experiment and wrote them down on the board. It took a few moments to figure out but once you figure out what they are looking for it's simple. But without context I guess it would have taken a while longer.</p><p>complete the sequence<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... ottffss<br>complete the sequence<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... zzoottfe</p><p>Feel the brain swell!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't really get some of these tests , what exactlly is high iq about ripping apart and rephrasing poorly worded math basic problems ?
They are trying to trick you and that is what you are figuring out and once you know that then it 's quite easy .
" 1 ) A bat and a ball cost $ 1.10 in total .
The bat costs $ 1 more than the ball .
How much does the ball cost ?
" So the bat does n't cost $ 1 , that was the " trick " part .
It cost $ 1 + x and the ball cost x and the total is $ 1.10 ; 1 + x + x = 1.10 ; 2x = 0.10 x = 0.05 ; The ball is 5 cents .
" 2 ) If it takes five machines 5 minutes to make five widgets , how long would it take 100 machines to make 100 widgets ?
" Read it , seprate it and figure out that it takes 1 machine 5 minutes to make 1 widget .
5 machines running at the same time for 5 minutes make 5 widgets .
So 100 machines will require 5 minutes to make 100 widgets .
" 3 ) In a lake , there is a patch of lily pads .
Every day , the patch doubles in size .
If it takes 48 days for the patch to cover the entire lake , how long would it take for the patch to cover half of it ?
" Just count backwards , it shrinks to half the previous day so you just move backwards so on day 48 it was full , 47 half , 46 a quarter ...Have the school system become so crap that people ca n't even figure this out ?
Is " high iq " just about solving other peoples crappy word problems ? I recall some basic math courses and the teacher was trying to be funny as some kinda thought experiment and wrote them down on the board .
It took a few moments to figure out but once you figure out what they are looking for it 's simple .
But without context I guess it would have taken a while longer.complete the sequence ... ottffsscomplete the sequence ... zzoottfeFeel the brain swell !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't really get some of these tests, what exactlly is high iq about ripping apart and rephrasing poorly worded math basic problems?
They are trying to trick you and that is what you are figuring out and once you know that then it's quite easy.
"1) A bat and a ball cost $1.10 in total.
The bat costs $1 more than the ball.
How much does the ball cost?
"So the bat doesn't cost $1, that was the "trick" part.
It cost $1+x and the ball cost x and the total is $1.10; 1+x+x=1.10; 2x=0.10 x=0.05; The ball is 5 cents.
"2) If it takes five machines 5 minutes to make five widgets, how long would it take 100 machines to make 100 widgets?
"Read it, seprate it and figure out that it takes 1 machine 5 minutes to make 1 widget.
5 machines running at the same time for 5 minutes make 5 widgets.
So 100 machines will require 5 minutes to make 100 widgets.
"3) In a lake, there is a patch of lily pads.
Every day, the patch doubles in size.
If it takes 48 days for the patch to cover the entire lake, how long would it take for the patch to cover half of it?
"Just count backwards, it shrinks to half the previous day so you just move backwards so on day 48 it was full, 47 half, 46 a quarter ...Have the school system become so crap that people can't even figure this out?
Is "high iq" just about solving other peoples crappy word problems?I recall some basic math courses and the teacher was trying to be funny as some kinda thought experiment and wrote them down on the board.
It took a few moments to figure out but once you figure out what they are looking for it's simple.
But without context I guess it would have taken a while longer.complete the sequence ... ottffsscomplete the sequence ... zzoottfeFeel the brain swell!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981356</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257014520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>No need to insult the superior people just because you were rejected...</p><p>Intelligence is not just about how fast neurons can process thoughts, but also how much stuff people know.</p><p>Mensa is well rounded and you can even train your brain for the tests.  So go for it and join the club!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No need to insult the superior people just because you were rejected...Intelligence is not just about how fast neurons can process thoughts , but also how much stuff people know.Mensa is well rounded and you can even train your brain for the tests .
So go for it and join the club !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No need to insult the superior people just because you were rejected...Intelligence is not just about how fast neurons can process thoughts, but also how much stuff people know.Mensa is well rounded and you can even train your brain for the tests.
So go for it and join the club!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981862</id>
	<title>From D&amp;D No Less</title>
	<author>sammysheep</author>
	<datestamp>1257016020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Int != Wis</htmltext>
<tokenext>Int ! = Wis</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Int != Wis</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983276</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>O'Nazareth</author>
	<datestamp>1257019920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Are you jealous that your wife prefers some actors than you to imply that actors are dumb? For your information, some actors are not scientologist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you jealous that your wife prefers some actors than you to imply that actors are dumb ?
For your information , some actors are not scientologist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you jealous that your wife prefers some actors than you to imply that actors are dumb?
For your information, some actors are not scientologist.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29987040</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>waimate</author>
	<datestamp>1256988840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>FWIW, whenever I'm reading a resume and someone mentions they're "in mensa", from long experience I always interpret that as meaning they're intelligent, but not smart. You have to be intelligent to join mensa, but if you're smart as well, you'll know only stoopid people crow about joining mensa. There's plenty of sufficiently-intelligent people who never joined mensa because they were having too much fun kicking a ball around with their friends, and whose intellectual roundness was far the richer for it.</p><p>I also used to tell my guys that whenever anyone's sitting in a meeting thinking they're the smartest one in the room, that automatically means they're not. Because everyone can learn something from someone, anyone, else, and you'd have to be pretty stoopid to lose sight of that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FWIW , whenever I 'm reading a resume and someone mentions they 're " in mensa " , from long experience I always interpret that as meaning they 're intelligent , but not smart .
You have to be intelligent to join mensa , but if you 're smart as well , you 'll know only stoopid people crow about joining mensa .
There 's plenty of sufficiently-intelligent people who never joined mensa because they were having too much fun kicking a ball around with their friends , and whose intellectual roundness was far the richer for it.I also used to tell my guys that whenever anyone 's sitting in a meeting thinking they 're the smartest one in the room , that automatically means they 're not .
Because everyone can learn something from someone , anyone , else , and you 'd have to be pretty stoopid to lose sight of that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FWIW, whenever I'm reading a resume and someone mentions they're "in mensa", from long experience I always interpret that as meaning they're intelligent, but not smart.
You have to be intelligent to join mensa, but if you're smart as well, you'll know only stoopid people crow about joining mensa.
There's plenty of sufficiently-intelligent people who never joined mensa because they were having too much fun kicking a ball around with their friends, and whose intellectual roundness was far the richer for it.I also used to tell my guys that whenever anyone's sitting in a meeting thinking they're the smartest one in the room, that automatically means they're not.
Because everyone can learn something from someone, anyone, else, and you'd have to be pretty stoopid to lose sight of that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29991884</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>Max Romantschuk</author>
	<datestamp>1257452520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There is something to be said about being an intellectual among a bunch of people who actually care about what happened on "Dancing with the Stars" last night, though. If you don't have anything in common to discuss, you won't make friends with someone very easily.</p> </div><p>Then again it's also about if you actually try.</p><p>My wife and I have ridiculously differing tastes in entertainment. I used to categorically shun away from "reality TV crap", but these days we watch a lot of shows like Survivor and The Amazing Race together. It's not far fetched to discuss strategic and social engineering techniques in regards to Survivor, or cultural clash implications and teamwork strategies in The Amazing Race.</p><p>I could easily live without those shows, but with a little effort we have something common to talk about. I find myself looking forward to the evenings I know we're actually going to relax together on the couch, instead of just running the household and happening to spend time in the same apartment.</p><p>That being said, I'd probably die inside pretty quick if forced to watch Big Brother.</p></div>
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<tokenext>There is something to be said about being an intellectual among a bunch of people who actually care about what happened on " Dancing with the Stars " last night , though .
If you do n't have anything in common to discuss , you wo n't make friends with someone very easily .
Then again it 's also about if you actually try.My wife and I have ridiculously differing tastes in entertainment .
I used to categorically shun away from " reality TV crap " , but these days we watch a lot of shows like Survivor and The Amazing Race together .
It 's not far fetched to discuss strategic and social engineering techniques in regards to Survivor , or cultural clash implications and teamwork strategies in The Amazing Race.I could easily live without those shows , but with a little effort we have something common to talk about .
I find myself looking forward to the evenings I know we 're actually going to relax together on the couch , instead of just running the household and happening to spend time in the same apartment.That being said , I 'd probably die inside pretty quick if forced to watch Big Brother .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is something to be said about being an intellectual among a bunch of people who actually care about what happened on "Dancing with the Stars" last night, though.
If you don't have anything in common to discuss, you won't make friends with someone very easily.
Then again it's also about if you actually try.My wife and I have ridiculously differing tastes in entertainment.
I used to categorically shun away from "reality TV crap", but these days we watch a lot of shows like Survivor and The Amazing Race together.
It's not far fetched to discuss strategic and social engineering techniques in regards to Survivor, or cultural clash implications and teamwork strategies in The Amazing Race.I could easily live without those shows, but with a little effort we have something common to talk about.
I find myself looking forward to the evenings I know we're actually going to relax together on the couch, instead of just running the household and happening to spend time in the same apartment.That being said, I'd probably die inside pretty quick if forced to watch Big Brother.
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	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256985240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sometimes when you're smart, and things come easy to you, when you have to do something challenging it seems impossible.  Not necessarily because you are incapable of the task, but because you are not used to being challenged.  Like having to lift with muscles you've been neglecting.</p></div><p>I've seen this issue a lot during university and was hit with it myself. The smart kids who found everything to be easy and intuitive all the way through high school and early college suddenly hit a brick wall when the material just exceeds their understanding and don't know how to get over it. Many of them didn't even know what studying was and how to do it effectively.</p><p>Meanwhile, the more average students who were used to having to always work harder kept on trucking through without much adjustment as they were already used to this.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Sometimes when you 're smart , and things come easy to you , when you have to do something challenging it seems impossible .
Not necessarily because you are incapable of the task , but because you are not used to being challenged .
Like having to lift with muscles you 've been neglecting.I 've seen this issue a lot during university and was hit with it myself .
The smart kids who found everything to be easy and intuitive all the way through high school and early college suddenly hit a brick wall when the material just exceeds their understanding and do n't know how to get over it .
Many of them did n't even know what studying was and how to do it effectively.Meanwhile , the more average students who were used to having to always work harder kept on trucking through without much adjustment as they were already used to this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes when you're smart, and things come easy to you, when you have to do something challenging it seems impossible.
Not necessarily because you are incapable of the task, but because you are not used to being challenged.
Like having to lift with muscles you've been neglecting.I've seen this issue a lot during university and was hit with it myself.
The smart kids who found everything to be easy and intuitive all the way through high school and early college suddenly hit a brick wall when the material just exceeds their understanding and don't know how to get over it.
Many of them didn't even know what studying was and how to do it effectively.Meanwhile, the more average students who were used to having to always work harder kept on trucking through without much adjustment as they were already used to this.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29993136</id>
	<title>Re:IQ is not the same as EQ</title>
	<author>Pikkebaas</author>
	<datestamp>1257424800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>IQ measures raw mental abilities. It's a bit like measuring raw CPU power and memory in a computer.</p><p>.</p></div><p>Actually, measuring IQ is <i>nothing</i> like measuring raw CPU power and memory in a computer, which are quantitative measurements with a thoroughly defined unit.

There is nothing even near that for IQ, and surprisingly little scepticism/research towards this, placing the construct IQ and it's parent <i>g</i> very close to the border of science/pseudoscience...</p></div>
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<tokenext>IQ measures raw mental abilities .
It 's a bit like measuring raw CPU power and memory in a computer..Actually , measuring IQ is nothing like measuring raw CPU power and memory in a computer , which are quantitative measurements with a thoroughly defined unit .
There is nothing even near that for IQ , and surprisingly little scepticism/research towards this , placing the construct IQ and it 's parent g very close to the border of science/pseudoscience.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IQ measures raw mental abilities.
It's a bit like measuring raw CPU power and memory in a computer..Actually, measuring IQ is nothing like measuring raw CPU power and memory in a computer, which are quantitative measurements with a thoroughly defined unit.
There is nothing even near that for IQ, and surprisingly little scepticism/research towards this, placing the construct IQ and it's parent g very close to the border of science/pseudoscience...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29990732</id>
	<title>Ah, but on the converse...</title>
	<author>Torodung</author>
	<datestamp>1257009120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the converse, a very low IQ test score means absolutely that you are a moron. So the tests <b>are</b> good for <b>something</b>. There's no better way of detecting those sorts of problems, right?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;^)</p><p>--<br>Toro</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the converse , a very low IQ test score means absolutely that you are a moron .
So the tests are good for something .
There 's no better way of detecting those sorts of problems , right ?
; ^ ) --Toro</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the converse, a very low IQ test score means absolutely that you are a moron.
So the tests are good for something.
There's no better way of detecting those sorts of problems, right?
;^)--Toro</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981186</id>
	<title>It's true</title>
	<author>Tarlus</author>
	<datestamp>1257014040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My brother-in-law is one of the smartest people I know. Earned his PhD in optical physics and does some very high-level work with it. Way above the head of anybody he explains it to. He's written some pretty intense C++ programs to handle neural-network computations of extremely complicated mathematical problems.</p><p>But I can't count how many cellphones he's destroyed from accidental drops from his shirt pocket into the toilet. And a few times he lost his keys for a week because he left them hanging in the door lock.</p><p>He's a smart guy, but sometimes we wonder about him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My brother-in-law is one of the smartest people I know .
Earned his PhD in optical physics and does some very high-level work with it .
Way above the head of anybody he explains it to .
He 's written some pretty intense C + + programs to handle neural-network computations of extremely complicated mathematical problems.But I ca n't count how many cellphones he 's destroyed from accidental drops from his shirt pocket into the toilet .
And a few times he lost his keys for a week because he left them hanging in the door lock.He 's a smart guy , but sometimes we wonder about him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My brother-in-law is one of the smartest people I know.
Earned his PhD in optical physics and does some very high-level work with it.
Way above the head of anybody he explains it to.
He's written some pretty intense C++ programs to handle neural-network computations of extremely complicated mathematical problems.But I can't count how many cellphones he's destroyed from accidental drops from his shirt pocket into the toilet.
And a few times he lost his keys for a week because he left them hanging in the door lock.He's a smart guy, but sometimes we wonder about him.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981770</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257015720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're a conservative Christian you haven't been doing much learning, or paying attention, lately.</p><p>Skywizard?  Really?  You buy that?</p><p>Gays can't marry?  How about black and white shouldn't marry.  Protestant and Catholic shouldn't.  Irish and Italian shouldn't.  All conservative.  All wrong.</p><p>There.  You learned something today.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're a conservative Christian you have n't been doing much learning , or paying attention , lately.Skywizard ?
Really ? You buy that ? Gays ca n't marry ?
How about black and white should n't marry .
Protestant and Catholic should n't .
Irish and Italian should n't .
All conservative .
All wrong.There .
You learned something today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're a conservative Christian you haven't been doing much learning, or paying attention, lately.Skywizard?
Really?  You buy that?Gays can't marry?
How about black and white shouldn't marry.
Protestant and Catholic shouldn't.
Irish and Italian shouldn't.
All conservative.
All wrong.There.
You learned something today.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988142</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Rib Feast</author>
	<datestamp>1256993220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go see a psychiatrist, often a high IQ and poor time management are a flag for having AADD (Adult Attention Deficit Disorder). I did this and helped me focus and prioritize immensely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go see a psychiatrist , often a high IQ and poor time management are a flag for having AADD ( Adult Attention Deficit Disorder ) .
I did this and helped me focus and prioritize immensely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go see a psychiatrist, often a high IQ and poor time management are a flag for having AADD (Adult Attention Deficit Disorder).
I did this and helped me focus and prioritize immensely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29994814</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>jbeach</author>
	<datestamp>1257436440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>They are collectivists, socialists, communist, etc. They need others to support them, whether they admit/accept this or not, their actions (or lack of) hinder their ability to grow wealth.
</i><p>
Those wealthy who benefit bailouts, corporate tax breaks, and other platinum welfare are exactly the same. They just don't call themselves "collectivists, socialists or communists" - but they are just fine with unearned benefits from the taxpayer's pockets, as long as they or their company get them.
</p><p>
I am neither poor nor communist, socialist or collectivist. I just try to have a clear eye about the realities of our system and culture. Welfare for the rich, tough love for the masses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are collectivists , socialists , communist , etc .
They need others to support them , whether they admit/accept this or not , their actions ( or lack of ) hinder their ability to grow wealth .
Those wealthy who benefit bailouts , corporate tax breaks , and other platinum welfare are exactly the same .
They just do n't call themselves " collectivists , socialists or communists " - but they are just fine with unearned benefits from the taxpayer 's pockets , as long as they or their company get them .
I am neither poor nor communist , socialist or collectivist .
I just try to have a clear eye about the realities of our system and culture .
Welfare for the rich , tough love for the masses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are collectivists, socialists, communist, etc.
They need others to support them, whether they admit/accept this or not, their actions (or lack of) hinder their ability to grow wealth.
Those wealthy who benefit bailouts, corporate tax breaks, and other platinum welfare are exactly the same.
They just don't call themselves "collectivists, socialists or communists" - but they are just fine with unearned benefits from the taxpayer's pockets, as long as they or their company get them.
I am neither poor nor communist, socialist or collectivist.
I just try to have a clear eye about the realities of our system and culture.
Welfare for the rich, tough love for the masses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29985688</id>
	<title>Re:Amen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256983920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You felt bad at the idea your secret lover prefered your wife to you ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You felt bad at the idea your secret lover prefered your wife to you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You felt bad at the idea your secret lover prefered your wife to you ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983832</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257021480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>British Mensa - a great social scene, lots of going out to bars with people who can chat about anything and everything, who do not look funnily at you for being "different". Also, a great place to get laid - the brain is an enormous erogenous zone and Mensa women are horny.<br>America Mensa - not a lot so far, it's been pretty drab and nowhere near as fun as back home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>British Mensa - a great social scene , lots of going out to bars with people who can chat about anything and everything , who do not look funnily at you for being " different " .
Also , a great place to get laid - the brain is an enormous erogenous zone and Mensa women are horny.America Mensa - not a lot so far , it 's been pretty drab and nowhere near as fun as back home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>British Mensa - a great social scene, lots of going out to bars with people who can chat about anything and everything, who do not look funnily at you for being "different".
Also, a great place to get laid - the brain is an enormous erogenous zone and Mensa women are horny.America Mensa - not a lot so far, it's been pretty drab and nowhere near as fun as back home.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983350</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>Tekfactory</author>
	<datestamp>1257020040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are undoubtably correct, that everyone has something of value to contribute. I won't attempt to write that off, but sometimes the conversations you have to endure to get to that nugget of information will try the patience of a Saint.</p><p>Its probably for that reason alone that many of these potential friendships are relgated to mere acquaintances, and this wealth of information left on the table.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are undoubtably correct , that everyone has something of value to contribute .
I wo n't attempt to write that off , but sometimes the conversations you have to endure to get to that nugget of information will try the patience of a Saint.Its probably for that reason alone that many of these potential friendships are relgated to mere acquaintances , and this wealth of information left on the table .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are undoubtably correct, that everyone has something of value to contribute.
I won't attempt to write that off, but sometimes the conversations you have to endure to get to that nugget of information will try the patience of a Saint.Its probably for that reason alone that many of these potential friendships are relgated to mere acquaintances, and this wealth of information left on the table.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29989714</id>
	<title>Re:The word we're looking for here</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1257001440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>See also "book-smart" v. "street-smart", INT v. WIS (in D&amp;D et al.), and the role of irrational thinking in decision processes [slashdot.org].</i></p><p>I hate to say it, but the Slashdot axis of Interesting, Informative, Insightful isn't a bad model.</p><p>Informative can map to "book-smart", Insightful to "street-smart", but there's also the cross-cutting, "hrm, that's a way to look at the problem I hadn't previously considered," aspect of Interesting that's key to a fine intellect.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See also " book-smart " v. " street-smart " , INT v. WIS ( in D&amp;D et al .
) , and the role of irrational thinking in decision processes [ slashdot.org ] .I hate to say it , but the Slashdot axis of Interesting , Informative , Insightful is n't a bad model.Informative can map to " book-smart " , Insightful to " street-smart " , but there 's also the cross-cutting , " hrm , that 's a way to look at the problem I had n't previously considered , " aspect of Interesting that 's key to a fine intellect .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>See also "book-smart" v. "street-smart", INT v. WIS (in D&amp;D et al.
), and the role of irrational thinking in decision processes [slashdot.org].I hate to say it, but the Slashdot axis of Interesting, Informative, Insightful isn't a bad model.Informative can map to "book-smart", Insightful to "street-smart", but there's also the cross-cutting, "hrm, that's a way to look at the problem I hadn't previously considered," aspect of Interesting that's key to a fine intellect.
 </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29980986</id>
	<title>Why a high IQ doesn't mean you're smart ...</title>
	<author>Morris Thorpe</author>
	<datestamp>1257013440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pick me!<br>It is for the same reason this comment will be modded funny even though it's not?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pick me ! It is for the same reason this comment will be modded funny even though it 's not ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pick me!It is for the same reason this comment will be modded funny even though it's not?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29985584</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1256983680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They spend money irresponsibly, they live for the moment (I know people who make $75,000/year and are in debt)</p></div><p>Wow, that's pretty harsh. My wife and I make about $120,000/year and we're in debt. I doubt anyone would consider us "irresponsible", though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They spend money irresponsibly , they live for the moment ( I know people who make $ 75,000/year and are in debt ) Wow , that 's pretty harsh .
My wife and I make about $ 120,000/year and we 're in debt .
I doubt anyone would consider us " irresponsible " , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They spend money irresponsibly, they live for the moment (I know people who make $75,000/year and are in debt)Wow, that's pretty harsh.
My wife and I make about $120,000/year and we're in debt.
I doubt anyone would consider us "irresponsible", though.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984274</id>
	<title>Re:It's true</title>
	<author>deuterium</author>
	<datestamp>1256979720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think smart people (or any people, really) get to choose what they think about. Their brains obsess over a certain problem to the exclusion of more domestic thoughts (keeping your cell phone safe). You can't do both at once.</p><p>Less intelligent people don't seem to obsess over problems as much, so they can pay more attention to what's in front of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think smart people ( or any people , really ) get to choose what they think about .
Their brains obsess over a certain problem to the exclusion of more domestic thoughts ( keeping your cell phone safe ) .
You ca n't do both at once.Less intelligent people do n't seem to obsess over problems as much , so they can pay more attention to what 's in front of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think smart people (or any people, really) get to choose what they think about.
Their brains obsess over a certain problem to the exclusion of more domestic thoughts (keeping your cell phone safe).
You can't do both at once.Less intelligent people don't seem to obsess over problems as much, so they can pay more attention to what's in front of them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982924</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Metasquares</author>
	<datestamp>1257018960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sort of. There is a meaningful statistical correlation behind subscores in IQ tests, and despite the existence and appeal of the multiple intelligences model, the data still tends to support the general intelligence factor model.</p><p>And while it's true that no one is good (or even experienced) at literally everything, people who learn one subject earlier and/or faster have far more time to devote to learning additional proficiencies later on. This is also disregarding the role of overlapping thoughts and ideas, which may greatly hasten learning a new subject. In other words, the more you know, the easier it becomes to know even more (as an added bonus, broad knowledge has also been found to aid creativity, presumably because you have more analogies to draw upon and apply in different places). And the faster you learn, the quicker you'll know a lot (assuming you have the dedication). One of my ideas has served as a magnet for such polymathic types - I've easily spoken to hundreds by now - and the vast majority of them are in fact gifted.</p><p>My impression from all of this is that you could have particular proficiency in a single subject that doesn't reflect on an IQ test - but general (or at least multifocal) proficiency exists and does seem to associate much more strongly with IQ.</p><p>None of this has anything to do with making good choices in life, of course. That's not usually a question of advanced reasoning ability (though it may have some relation with executive function). Plenty of people across the IQ spectrum consistently make bad choices. Like <a href="http://www.phdcomics.com/" title="phdcomics.com">going to grad school</a> [phdcomics.com]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sort of .
There is a meaningful statistical correlation behind subscores in IQ tests , and despite the existence and appeal of the multiple intelligences model , the data still tends to support the general intelligence factor model.And while it 's true that no one is good ( or even experienced ) at literally everything , people who learn one subject earlier and/or faster have far more time to devote to learning additional proficiencies later on .
This is also disregarding the role of overlapping thoughts and ideas , which may greatly hasten learning a new subject .
In other words , the more you know , the easier it becomes to know even more ( as an added bonus , broad knowledge has also been found to aid creativity , presumably because you have more analogies to draw upon and apply in different places ) .
And the faster you learn , the quicker you 'll know a lot ( assuming you have the dedication ) .
One of my ideas has served as a magnet for such polymathic types - I 've easily spoken to hundreds by now - and the vast majority of them are in fact gifted.My impression from all of this is that you could have particular proficiency in a single subject that does n't reflect on an IQ test - but general ( or at least multifocal ) proficiency exists and does seem to associate much more strongly with IQ.None of this has anything to do with making good choices in life , of course .
That 's not usually a question of advanced reasoning ability ( though it may have some relation with executive function ) .
Plenty of people across the IQ spectrum consistently make bad choices .
Like going to grad school [ phdcomics.com ] : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sort of.
There is a meaningful statistical correlation behind subscores in IQ tests, and despite the existence and appeal of the multiple intelligences model, the data still tends to support the general intelligence factor model.And while it's true that no one is good (or even experienced) at literally everything, people who learn one subject earlier and/or faster have far more time to devote to learning additional proficiencies later on.
This is also disregarding the role of overlapping thoughts and ideas, which may greatly hasten learning a new subject.
In other words, the more you know, the easier it becomes to know even more (as an added bonus, broad knowledge has also been found to aid creativity, presumably because you have more analogies to draw upon and apply in different places).
And the faster you learn, the quicker you'll know a lot (assuming you have the dedication).
One of my ideas has served as a magnet for such polymathic types - I've easily spoken to hundreds by now - and the vast majority of them are in fact gifted.My impression from all of this is that you could have particular proficiency in a single subject that doesn't reflect on an IQ test - but general (or at least multifocal) proficiency exists and does seem to associate much more strongly with IQ.None of this has anything to do with making good choices in life, of course.
That's not usually a question of advanced reasoning ability (though it may have some relation with executive function).
Plenty of people across the IQ spectrum consistently make bad choices.
Like going to grad school [phdcomics.com] :)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:It reminds me of the old saying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257451380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not entirely true. Yes, idiots do claim to be "street smart", since it's much more difficult to verify. But that doesn't mean "street smarts" don't exist - I know quite a few reasonably intelligent people (intelligent in terms of "book smarts") who are unbelievably canny. I've often suspected it's a mixture of a keen sense of observation/recall, good people skills and plain old luck, but not being particularly street smart myself, I couldn't say for sure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not entirely true .
Yes , idiots do claim to be " street smart " , since it 's much more difficult to verify .
But that does n't mean " street smarts " do n't exist - I know quite a few reasonably intelligent people ( intelligent in terms of " book smarts " ) who are unbelievably canny .
I 've often suspected it 's a mixture of a keen sense of observation/recall , good people skills and plain old luck , but not being particularly street smart myself , I could n't say for sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not entirely true.
Yes, idiots do claim to be "street smart", since it's much more difficult to verify.
But that doesn't mean "street smarts" don't exist - I know quite a few reasonably intelligent people (intelligent in terms of "book smarts") who are unbelievably canny.
I've often suspected it's a mixture of a keen sense of observation/recall, good people skills and plain old luck, but not being particularly street smart myself, I couldn't say for sure.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>vertinox</author>
	<datestamp>1257020760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Apparently you are poor, becuase most of the rich people I know are very intelligent. They earned their money (ie not "Old Money") legitimately (ie not "Celebrity Money") and are not connected with hollywood (ie not actors, directors or writters).</i></p><p>That is still anecdotal and it depends on what you mean by intelligent.</p><p>Often more than not, an person intelligent in one field may not be intelligent in others...</p><p>Like a wealthy day trader who specializes in short sales may not know how to fix their car and his mechanic doesn't understand terminology such as calls, puts, longs, and shorts.</p><p>Or a wealthy construction manager who runs his own business may be very intelligent in how to manage his employees and contracts but god help you if he has to figure out how to install an antivirus on his computer.</p><p>That said... I know some wealthy people who, while not stupid, did not earn their money through their intelligence. They were simply either a victim of circumstance or had rather wealthy relatives.</p><p>Or in some case only are wealthy because they were able to leverage their wealth to earn more wealth whereas had them been middle class or poor, would not have been able to do so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently you are poor , becuase most of the rich people I know are very intelligent .
They earned their money ( ie not " Old Money " ) legitimately ( ie not " Celebrity Money " ) and are not connected with hollywood ( ie not actors , directors or writters ) .That is still anecdotal and it depends on what you mean by intelligent.Often more than not , an person intelligent in one field may not be intelligent in others...Like a wealthy day trader who specializes in short sales may not know how to fix their car and his mechanic does n't understand terminology such as calls , puts , longs , and shorts.Or a wealthy construction manager who runs his own business may be very intelligent in how to manage his employees and contracts but god help you if he has to figure out how to install an antivirus on his computer.That said... I know some wealthy people who , while not stupid , did not earn their money through their intelligence .
They were simply either a victim of circumstance or had rather wealthy relatives.Or in some case only are wealthy because they were able to leverage their wealth to earn more wealth whereas had them been middle class or poor , would not have been able to do so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently you are poor, becuase most of the rich people I know are very intelligent.
They earned their money (ie not "Old Money") legitimately (ie not "Celebrity Money") and are not connected with hollywood (ie not actors, directors or writters).That is still anecdotal and it depends on what you mean by intelligent.Often more than not, an person intelligent in one field may not be intelligent in others...Like a wealthy day trader who specializes in short sales may not know how to fix their car and his mechanic doesn't understand terminology such as calls, puts, longs, and shorts.Or a wealthy construction manager who runs his own business may be very intelligent in how to manage his employees and contracts but god help you if he has to figure out how to install an antivirus on his computer.That said... I know some wealthy people who, while not stupid, did not earn their money through their intelligence.
They were simply either a victim of circumstance or had rather wealthy relatives.Or in some case only are wealthy because they were able to leverage their wealth to earn more wealth whereas had them been middle class or poor, would not have been able to do so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981632</id>
	<title>Re:I knew this 25 years ago...</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1257015360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wisdom is "applied" knowledge.  You can't be wise without some amount of knowledge.</p><p>But you can be wise without understanding (or being able to understand) complex math, abstractions, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wisdom is " applied " knowledge .
You ca n't be wise without some amount of knowledge.But you can be wise without understanding ( or being able to understand ) complex math , abstractions , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wisdom is "applied" knowledge.
You can't be wise without some amount of knowledge.But you can be wise without understanding (or being able to understand) complex math, abstractions, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982660</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1257018180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;the word "mensa" is spanish slang for "stupid female".</p><p>That's really niggardly of you.  In 1946 the slang "mensa" didn't yet exist and even if it had, it does not mean two words can't have completely opposite meanings.   In this case mensa comes from Latin and means table.  It can also mean refectory as in dining hall for a college - where intelligent people sit and discuss ideas.</p><p>In Spanish the word mensa devolved over time to become "mesa".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; the word " mensa " is spanish slang for " stupid female " .That 's really niggardly of you .
In 1946 the slang " mensa " did n't yet exist and even if it had , it does not mean two words ca n't have completely opposite meanings .
In this case mensa comes from Latin and means table .
It can also mean refectory as in dining hall for a college - where intelligent people sit and discuss ideas.In Spanish the word mensa devolved over time to become " mesa " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;the word "mensa" is spanish slang for "stupid female".That's really niggardly of you.
In 1946 the slang "mensa" didn't yet exist and even if it had, it does not mean two words can't have completely opposite meanings.
In this case mensa comes from Latin and means table.
It can also mean refectory as in dining hall for a college - where intelligent people sit and discuss ideas.In Spanish the word mensa devolved over time to become "mesa".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981042</id>
	<title>Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>x\_IamSpartacus\_x</author>
	<datestamp>1257013620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Based on no research and absolutely no scientific data I have come to measure a person's intelligence by how creative they are and how open to new ideas (especially ideas in conflict with their own belief system) they are. <br>
I am a conservative, white, heterosexual, Christian male (source of all the world's problems according to many) and yet I understand that there are things I am probably wrong about and there are people who have radically different beliefs than I do and I can definitely learn from them. I consider myself pretty intelligent and yet understanding that I can learn from others is <i>very key</i> to my intelligence growing.
<br> <br>
People who have closed their minds to new thoughts/ideas and who do not exercise their creative potential get stupid fast. I have met a LOT of them (in my white, hetero, Christian, male society) and I am the first to admit that my peers tend to be pretty dumb. TFL starts off bashing on George Bush and how his IQ is pretty high yet the author has obviously decided Bush is an idiot (an earned reputation) and he fits right into my category of society.
<br> <br>
What I feel is important to note is that in American progressive society MY ethnicity/religion/political views/gender quickly get thrown into a category that I really don't thing I've earned. I try not to complain of racism/sexism/whateverelseism but it gets old some times.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Based on no research and absolutely no scientific data I have come to measure a person 's intelligence by how creative they are and how open to new ideas ( especially ideas in conflict with their own belief system ) they are .
I am a conservative , white , heterosexual , Christian male ( source of all the world 's problems according to many ) and yet I understand that there are things I am probably wrong about and there are people who have radically different beliefs than I do and I can definitely learn from them .
I consider myself pretty intelligent and yet understanding that I can learn from others is very key to my intelligence growing .
People who have closed their minds to new thoughts/ideas and who do not exercise their creative potential get stupid fast .
I have met a LOT of them ( in my white , hetero , Christian , male society ) and I am the first to admit that my peers tend to be pretty dumb .
TFL starts off bashing on George Bush and how his IQ is pretty high yet the author has obviously decided Bush is an idiot ( an earned reputation ) and he fits right into my category of society .
What I feel is important to note is that in American progressive society MY ethnicity/religion/political views/gender quickly get thrown into a category that I really do n't thing I 've earned .
I try not to complain of racism/sexism/whateverelseism but it gets old some times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Based on no research and absolutely no scientific data I have come to measure a person's intelligence by how creative they are and how open to new ideas (especially ideas in conflict with their own belief system) they are.
I am a conservative, white, heterosexual, Christian male (source of all the world's problems according to many) and yet I understand that there are things I am probably wrong about and there are people who have radically different beliefs than I do and I can definitely learn from them.
I consider myself pretty intelligent and yet understanding that I can learn from others is very key to my intelligence growing.
People who have closed their minds to new thoughts/ideas and who do not exercise their creative potential get stupid fast.
I have met a LOT of them (in my white, hetero, Christian, male society) and I am the first to admit that my peers tend to be pretty dumb.
TFL starts off bashing on George Bush and how his IQ is pretty high yet the author has obviously decided Bush is an idiot (an earned reputation) and he fits right into my category of society.
What I feel is important to note is that in American progressive society MY ethnicity/religion/political views/gender quickly get thrown into a category that I really don't thing I've earned.
I try not to complain of racism/sexism/whateverelseism but it gets old some times.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981738</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257015600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember some comment here on Slashdot a while back (I foget who it was or what the story was about) where somebody was complaining that, as a person in the 99th intelligence percentile, it was simply impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence.  The comment struck me as amazingly arrogant and short-sighted.  I didn't say anything at the time, but I thought exactly what you are saying.  This guy's problem, in my not-so-humble opinion, was that he was letting his score on an IQ test define himself and his potential friends.  As long as people who score well on IQ tests go around wearing it like a badge and looking down on everybody else, they are going to be outcasts, because even if you don't say it out loud, people will pick up on it, and then they don't want to be around you.  Nobody wants to hang out with the guy who's always subtly reminding everybody of how smart he is.  At that point, it's the natural human reaction to soothe your ego by thinking "average people just can't handle being around smart people like me.  They're jealous of my vast intelligence."  But it's just not true.  I have plenty of friends who would probably score lower than I would on an IQ test (I say "would" because the last time I took an IQ test I was around eight years old).  I also have friends who would probably score higher.  You can be friends with anybody as long as you're mutually willing to accept each other as equals.  And when you do that, you find that there's something to learn from everybody.  Because I guarantee that even the homeless guy you pass on the street who sleeps on a park bench and pees on himself knows <em>something</em> that you don't.  He has acquired some skill, knowledge or wisdom from his life experience that you haven't.  As long as we define ourselves and others strictly in terms of a single, nearly meaningless number, we close ourselves off from a wealth of potential knowledge and experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember some comment here on Slashdot a while back ( I foget who it was or what the story was about ) where somebody was complaining that , as a person in the 99th intelligence percentile , it was simply impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence .
The comment struck me as amazingly arrogant and short-sighted .
I did n't say anything at the time , but I thought exactly what you are saying .
This guy 's problem , in my not-so-humble opinion , was that he was letting his score on an IQ test define himself and his potential friends .
As long as people who score well on IQ tests go around wearing it like a badge and looking down on everybody else , they are going to be outcasts , because even if you do n't say it out loud , people will pick up on it , and then they do n't want to be around you .
Nobody wants to hang out with the guy who 's always subtly reminding everybody of how smart he is .
At that point , it 's the natural human reaction to soothe your ego by thinking " average people just ca n't handle being around smart people like me .
They 're jealous of my vast intelligence .
" But it 's just not true .
I have plenty of friends who would probably score lower than I would on an IQ test ( I say " would " because the last time I took an IQ test I was around eight years old ) .
I also have friends who would probably score higher .
You can be friends with anybody as long as you 're mutually willing to accept each other as equals .
And when you do that , you find that there 's something to learn from everybody .
Because I guarantee that even the homeless guy you pass on the street who sleeps on a park bench and pees on himself knows something that you do n't .
He has acquired some skill , knowledge or wisdom from his life experience that you have n't .
As long as we define ourselves and others strictly in terms of a single , nearly meaningless number , we close ourselves off from a wealth of potential knowledge and experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember some comment here on Slashdot a while back (I foget who it was or what the story was about) where somebody was complaining that, as a person in the 99th intelligence percentile, it was simply impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence.
The comment struck me as amazingly arrogant and short-sighted.
I didn't say anything at the time, but I thought exactly what you are saying.
This guy's problem, in my not-so-humble opinion, was that he was letting his score on an IQ test define himself and his potential friends.
As long as people who score well on IQ tests go around wearing it like a badge and looking down on everybody else, they are going to be outcasts, because even if you don't say it out loud, people will pick up on it, and then they don't want to be around you.
Nobody wants to hang out with the guy who's always subtly reminding everybody of how smart he is.
At that point, it's the natural human reaction to soothe your ego by thinking "average people just can't handle being around smart people like me.
They're jealous of my vast intelligence.
"  But it's just not true.
I have plenty of friends who would probably score lower than I would on an IQ test (I say "would" because the last time I took an IQ test I was around eight years old).
I also have friends who would probably score higher.
You can be friends with anybody as long as you're mutually willing to accept each other as equals.
And when you do that, you find that there's something to learn from everybody.
Because I guarantee that even the homeless guy you pass on the street who sleeps on a park bench and pees on himself knows something that you don't.
He has acquired some skill, knowledge or wisdom from his life experience that you haven't.
As long as we define ourselves and others strictly in terms of a single, nearly meaningless number, we close ourselves off from a wealth of potential knowledge and experience.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29994834</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>that IT girl</author>
	<datestamp>1257436560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think you took my post all wrong. I don't go around bragging about this. Nobody I work with here even knows I'm in Mensa. I don't want to come off as arrogant--I <em>do</em> know enough about interpersonal relationships to know that'd be detrimental to them. You say you haven't met a Mensa member who wasn't a "total douchebag"... how many have you met in total? Some people really are that stuck up, others may just be frustrated and it comes off as intolerant or douchey. But some of us really want to help people with our talents, and we need to understand how to interact with those people in order to do it. In my case, I think it's just that lacking knowledge of social skills impedes what I am attempting to do, and that's why I am working to improve those. You haven't met every one of us... please don't judge us all just yet.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you took my post all wrong .
I do n't go around bragging about this .
Nobody I work with here even knows I 'm in Mensa .
I do n't want to come off as arrogant--I do know enough about interpersonal relationships to know that 'd be detrimental to them .
You say you have n't met a Mensa member who was n't a " total douchebag " ... how many have you met in total ?
Some people really are that stuck up , others may just be frustrated and it comes off as intolerant or douchey .
But some of us really want to help people with our talents , and we need to understand how to interact with those people in order to do it .
In my case , I think it 's just that lacking knowledge of social skills impedes what I am attempting to do , and that 's why I am working to improve those .
You have n't met every one of us... please do n't judge us all just yet .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you took my post all wrong.
I don't go around bragging about this.
Nobody I work with here even knows I'm in Mensa.
I don't want to come off as arrogant--I do know enough about interpersonal relationships to know that'd be detrimental to them.
You say you haven't met a Mensa member who wasn't a "total douchebag"... how many have you met in total?
Some people really are that stuck up, others may just be frustrated and it comes off as intolerant or douchey.
But some of us really want to help people with our talents, and we need to understand how to interact with those people in order to do it.
In my case, I think it's just that lacking knowledge of social skills impedes what I am attempting to do, and that's why I am working to improve those.
You haven't met every one of us... please don't judge us all just yet.
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983110</id>
	<title>Re:Smartest people I know are morons in some thing</title>
	<author>Tekfactory</author>
	<datestamp>1257019440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Somebody buy that man some non-reactive space age plastic utensils.</p><p>One set would cost less than maybe the first two microwaves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Somebody buy that man some non-reactive space age plastic utensils.One set would cost less than maybe the first two microwaves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somebody buy that man some non-reactive space age plastic utensils.One set would cost less than maybe the first two microwaves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982616</id>
	<title>Re:It's true</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1257018060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>High IQ is very close to nuts.</p><p>Seriously, the farther over the 140IQ line you go the more nuts the person it.   Genius and insanity are really close together up near the top.</p><p>I have never met a 160IQ or higher person that was not a complete nutjob.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>High IQ is very close to nuts.Seriously , the farther over the 140IQ line you go the more nuts the person it .
Genius and insanity are really close together up near the top.I have never met a 160IQ or higher person that was not a complete nutjob .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>High IQ is very close to nuts.Seriously, the farther over the 140IQ line you go the more nuts the person it.
Genius and insanity are really close together up near the top.I have never met a 160IQ or higher person that was not a complete nutjob.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981212</id>
	<title>Debate</title>
	<author>COMON$</author>
	<datestamp>1257014160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In college we always had the debate of wisdom vs intelligence.  Not to be confused with street smarts.  There are some very simple individuals that show great wisdom in their decisions but are exceptionally forgetful and terrible at logistics.  <p>My take was always that it dealt with creative side of reasoning and humility. I am terrible at memorizing but have been called a wise decision maker by many people better than I.  I like to think it is because I see a choice and consider ramifications before the decision is made, is there a way to avoid some long term effects, is there a way to shift things in favor of the larger picture.  This works for personal choices as well as business ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In college we always had the debate of wisdom vs intelligence .
Not to be confused with street smarts .
There are some very simple individuals that show great wisdom in their decisions but are exceptionally forgetful and terrible at logistics .
My take was always that it dealt with creative side of reasoning and humility .
I am terrible at memorizing but have been called a wise decision maker by many people better than I. I like to think it is because I see a choice and consider ramifications before the decision is made , is there a way to avoid some long term effects , is there a way to shift things in favor of the larger picture .
This works for personal choices as well as business ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In college we always had the debate of wisdom vs intelligence.
Not to be confused with street smarts.
There are some very simple individuals that show great wisdom in their decisions but are exceptionally forgetful and terrible at logistics.
My take was always that it dealt with creative side of reasoning and humility.
I am terrible at memorizing but have been called a wise decision maker by many people better than I.  I like to think it is because I see a choice and consider ramifications before the decision is made, is there a way to avoid some long term effects, is there a way to shift things in favor of the larger picture.
This works for personal choices as well as business ones.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982228</id>
	<title>Conversation</title>
	<author>sbeckstead</author>
	<datestamp>1257017040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only thing I have discovered about IQ is that someone ~3 standard deviations below yours will not be as curious about everything as you are and will not be able to hold a deep enough conversation about the things that you find interesting, objectively speaking of course.  Now if someone is passionate about a subject IQ will make no difference at all but the subject range narrows a bit as IQ goes down.  YMMV completely.  This is an observation not an absolute statement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing I have discovered about IQ is that someone ~ 3 standard deviations below yours will not be as curious about everything as you are and will not be able to hold a deep enough conversation about the things that you find interesting , objectively speaking of course .
Now if someone is passionate about a subject IQ will make no difference at all but the subject range narrows a bit as IQ goes down .
YMMV completely .
This is an observation not an absolute statement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing I have discovered about IQ is that someone ~3 standard deviations below yours will not be as curious about everything as you are and will not be able to hold a deep enough conversation about the things that you find interesting, objectively speaking of course.
Now if someone is passionate about a subject IQ will make no difference at all but the subject range narrows a bit as IQ goes down.
YMMV completely.
This is an observation not an absolute statement.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29985000</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>bughunter</author>
	<datestamp>1256982060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry - I was trying for the first [on-topic] post.  On slashdot.  Reading TFA seemed kind of pointless.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry - I was trying for the first [ on-topic ] post .
On slashdot .
Reading TFA seemed kind of pointless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry - I was trying for the first [on-topic] post.
On slashdot.
Reading TFA seemed kind of pointless.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981040</id>
	<title>Re:It reminds me of the old saying</title>
	<author>Korbeau</author>
	<datestamp>1257013620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*cough*<br><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Glenn-Becks-Common-Sense-Control/dp/1439168571" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Glenn-Becks-Common-Sense-Control/dp/1439168571</a> [amazon.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* cough * http : //www.amazon.com/Glenn-Becks-Common-Sense-Control/dp/1439168571 [ amazon.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*cough*http://www.amazon.com/Glenn-Becks-Common-Sense-Control/dp/1439168571 [amazon.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29987942</id>
	<title>Re:High IQ DOES mean you're smart...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256992200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kudos to you sir.  You have used "the same difference" correctly in a conversation.  That phrase and of course "I could care less" are consistently misused.  Note: if you can care less than you must actively care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kudos to you sir .
You have used " the same difference " correctly in a conversation .
That phrase and of course " I could care less " are consistently misused .
Note : if you can care less than you must actively care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kudos to you sir.
You have used "the same difference" correctly in a conversation.
That phrase and of course "I could care less" are consistently misused.
Note: if you can care less than you must actively care.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988834</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>Rycross</author>
	<datestamp>1256996640000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I'm guessing that there's a large amount of selection bias going into this.  I haven't seen any strong correlation between "socialist" (socialist here being keyword for some sense of social responsibility) and "self-made" individuals.  I also find that self-made individuals tend to grossly overlook the non-obvious benefits that they've received from their parents and their society.  Likewise, people who exalt these people do the same.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm guessing that there 's a large amount of selection bias going into this .
I have n't seen any strong correlation between " socialist " ( socialist here being keyword for some sense of social responsibility ) and " self-made " individuals .
I also find that self-made individuals tend to grossly overlook the non-obvious benefits that they 've received from their parents and their society .
Likewise , people who exalt these people do the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm guessing that there's a large amount of selection bias going into this.
I haven't seen any strong correlation between "socialist" (socialist here being keyword for some sense of social responsibility) and "self-made" individuals.
I also find that self-made individuals tend to grossly overlook the non-obvious benefits that they've received from their parents and their society.
Likewise, people who exalt these people do the same.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29987712</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1256991180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm the founder of Mensa with an IQ of 199.9. I have problems similar to yours. You would think people would be pleased when I constantly tell them about the vast powers of my gigantic brain, and yet there is nothing but constant resentment from them. I attribute this to their comparative retardedness, and not to my being a gigantic asshole.</p><p>(I've yet to meet a Mensa member who wasn't a total douchebag. That might be your problem.)</p><p>(Oh, and the fact that you're doing tech support? Proof positive that IQ means exactly dick, if you needed one.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm the founder of Mensa with an IQ of 199.9 .
I have problems similar to yours .
You would think people would be pleased when I constantly tell them about the vast powers of my gigantic brain , and yet there is nothing but constant resentment from them .
I attribute this to their comparative retardedness , and not to my being a gigantic asshole .
( I 've yet to meet a Mensa member who was n't a total douchebag .
That might be your problem .
) ( Oh , and the fact that you 're doing tech support ?
Proof positive that IQ means exactly dick , if you needed one .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm the founder of Mensa with an IQ of 199.9.
I have problems similar to yours.
You would think people would be pleased when I constantly tell them about the vast powers of my gigantic brain, and yet there is nothing but constant resentment from them.
I attribute this to their comparative retardedness, and not to my being a gigantic asshole.
(I've yet to meet a Mensa member who wasn't a total douchebag.
That might be your problem.
)(Oh, and the fact that you're doing tech support?
Proof positive that IQ means exactly dick, if you needed one.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984302</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256979780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree.  I'm in Mensa, and I generally score around 140 on I.Q. tests on the American scale, closer to 150 on the European scale (I've taken several, usually as a lark).  In my experience, intelligence is just a measure of raw talent.  You still have to APPLY it to something.</p><p>Most of the Mensans I read about in the magazine and newsletter are pretty unimpressive. Oh, THEY'RE impressed with THEMSELVES, because of some test they took long ago. And they'll tell you all about it. But they haven't actually DONE anything.</p><p>In contrast, all of my coworkers have done interesting and impressive things with themselves, even though none of them are in Mensa.</p><p>Isn't it odd?  I guess the take-away is that if you're a programmer, and you work with programmers, the work that you do with one another is a much better measure of your intelligence and general usefulness than some musty old test you took once.</p><p>But don't say something like that at a Mensa meeting! You'll be as popular as a turd in a punchbowl!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
I 'm in Mensa , and I generally score around 140 on I.Q .
tests on the American scale , closer to 150 on the European scale ( I 've taken several , usually as a lark ) .
In my experience , intelligence is just a measure of raw talent .
You still have to APPLY it to something.Most of the Mensans I read about in the magazine and newsletter are pretty unimpressive .
Oh , THEY 'RE impressed with THEMSELVES , because of some test they took long ago .
And they 'll tell you all about it .
But they have n't actually DONE anything.In contrast , all of my coworkers have done interesting and impressive things with themselves , even though none of them are in Mensa.Is n't it odd ?
I guess the take-away is that if you 're a programmer , and you work with programmers , the work that you do with one another is a much better measure of your intelligence and general usefulness than some musty old test you took once.But do n't say something like that at a Mensa meeting !
You 'll be as popular as a turd in a punchbowl !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
I'm in Mensa, and I generally score around 140 on I.Q.
tests on the American scale, closer to 150 on the European scale (I've taken several, usually as a lark).
In my experience, intelligence is just a measure of raw talent.
You still have to APPLY it to something.Most of the Mensans I read about in the magazine and newsletter are pretty unimpressive.
Oh, THEY'RE impressed with THEMSELVES, because of some test they took long ago.
And they'll tell you all about it.
But they haven't actually DONE anything.In contrast, all of my coworkers have done interesting and impressive things with themselves, even though none of them are in Mensa.Isn't it odd?
I guess the take-away is that if you're a programmer, and you work with programmers, the work that you do with one another is a much better measure of your intelligence and general usefulness than some musty old test you took once.But don't say something like that at a Mensa meeting!
You'll be as popular as a turd in a punchbowl!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29987554</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256990580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; They are collectivists, socialists, communist, etc. They need others to support them, whether they admit/accept this or not, their actions (or lack of) hinder their ability to grow wealth.</p><p>So, they care more about people than money?  You should introduce us to some of these poor folks.  They sound like nice people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; They are collectivists , socialists , communist , etc .
They need others to support them , whether they admit/accept this or not , their actions ( or lack of ) hinder their ability to grow wealth.So , they care more about people than money ?
You should introduce us to some of these poor folks .
They sound like nice people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; They are collectivists, socialists, communist, etc.
They need others to support them, whether they admit/accept this or not, their actions (or lack of) hinder their ability to grow wealth.So, they care more about people than money?
You should introduce us to some of these poor folks.
They sound like nice people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29986188</id>
	<title>Re:Smartest people I know are morons in some thing</title>
	<author>izomiac</author>
	<datestamp>1256985420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Something I've noticed is that intelligence isn't a quantity, but is instead how you process information.  That process might be good at Task A, but terrible at Task B.<br> <br>

An example would be medical students.  Basically, to get to that level you have to have to be skilled in the life sciences.  Physics, though, is something most find nearly impossible.  I never grasped how someone found the Krebs cycle easier than F=ma, but whatever.<br> <br>

This continues beyond school, because I've got one professor that has made several grade-school level math references in her lectures, all of which were fundamentally wrong.  (E.g. an answer spread of 13\%, 16\%, 29\%, 20\%, 22\% elicits a "Well, most of you got this one right so we don't need to discuss it".) <br> <br>

Another example would be the clich&#233;d geek that's socially retarded.  It is my suspicion that the phenomenon where some people's brains shut down when using a computer is another manifestation of this concept.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Something I 've noticed is that intelligence is n't a quantity , but is instead how you process information .
That process might be good at Task A , but terrible at Task B . An example would be medical students .
Basically , to get to that level you have to have to be skilled in the life sciences .
Physics , though , is something most find nearly impossible .
I never grasped how someone found the Krebs cycle easier than F = ma , but whatever .
This continues beyond school , because I 've got one professor that has made several grade-school level math references in her lectures , all of which were fundamentally wrong .
( E.g. an answer spread of 13 \ % , 16 \ % , 29 \ % , 20 \ % , 22 \ % elicits a " Well , most of you got this one right so we do n't need to discuss it " .
) Another example would be the clich   d geek that 's socially retarded .
It is my suspicion that the phenomenon where some people 's brains shut down when using a computer is another manifestation of this concept .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something I've noticed is that intelligence isn't a quantity, but is instead how you process information.
That process might be good at Task A, but terrible at Task B. 

An example would be medical students.
Basically, to get to that level you have to have to be skilled in the life sciences.
Physics, though, is something most find nearly impossible.
I never grasped how someone found the Krebs cycle easier than F=ma, but whatever.
This continues beyond school, because I've got one professor that has made several grade-school level math references in her lectures, all of which were fundamentally wrong.
(E.g. an answer spread of 13\%, 16\%, 29\%, 20\%, 22\% elicits a "Well, most of you got this one right so we don't need to discuss it".
)  

Another example would be the clichéd geek that's socially retarded.
It is my suspicion that the phenomenon where some people's brains shut down when using a computer is another manifestation of this concept.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984556</id>
	<title>INT vs WIS</title>
	<author>Dragoness Eclectic</author>
	<datestamp>1256980500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've known since 1979 (AD&amp;D 1st ed) that Intelligence and Wisdom were two separate stats...</p><p>Doesn't everyone know this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've known since 1979 ( AD&amp;D 1st ed ) that Intelligence and Wisdom were two separate stats...Does n't everyone know this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've known since 1979 (AD&amp;D 1st ed) that Intelligence and Wisdom were two separate stats...Doesn't everyone know this?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982000</id>
	<title>Re:Intelligence vs Wisdom</title>
	<author>Peter Mork</author>
	<datestamp>1257016440000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In most first or second edition D&amp;D games, there is a weak correlation between Int and Wis because Magic-Users want the Wisdom bonus versus spells.  Moreover, Thieves and Fighters often dump on both stats.</p><p>In most third and fourth edition D&amp;D games, there will be a negative correlation between Int and Wis because every point spent on Int is one fewer available for Wis.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In most first or second edition D&amp;D games , there is a weak correlation between Int and Wis because Magic-Users want the Wisdom bonus versus spells .
Moreover , Thieves and Fighters often dump on both stats.In most third and fourth edition D&amp;D games , there will be a negative correlation between Int and Wis because every point spent on Int is one fewer available for Wis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In most first or second edition D&amp;D games, there is a weak correlation between Int and Wis because Magic-Users want the Wisdom bonus versus spells.
Moreover, Thieves and Fighters often dump on both stats.In most third and fourth edition D&amp;D games, there will be a negative correlation between Int and Wis because every point spent on Int is one fewer available for Wis.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988116</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>RedBear</author>
	<datestamp>1256993100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should have yourself tested for ADHD. It's not just "an excuse for lazy people", it's a real neurological disorder that can affect someone of any IQ. The symptoms you describe fit the pattern of ADHD. Notice how one of the posters replying to you accuses you of having "poor organizational skills and probably a bad work ethic", as if you could just easily learn to organize a little better and have a better attitude toward studying. In other words, you're stupid and lazy. Except, obviously you aren't stupid, and if laziness were the cause of your problems with studying, you would probably just say so. Despite being highly intelligent your brain just doesn't do certain things very well, like coming up with ways to organize physical objects and manage time. Seems pretty obvious that if it were that easy to change, you would have done so by now.</p><p>I have a similar experience. Early on I did quite well in school, although mostly because I was good at taking tests. Along about the start of high school I started falling behind because I could no longer just go through each glass doing the problems in my head and get away with not doing the mounds of homework that often seemed an insurmountable obstacle. Or, just like you I would forget important projects or find myself unable to begin a report until the night before it was due. Other students of average or even low intelligence somehow trudged through all the required work and passed classes where I often struggled even though I usually understood the material better than they did. The other people around me had the ability to sit down day after day and work through hours of homework and report writing and somehow get almost everything done on time. Sure, a lot of them got Bs, Cs and Ds, but they got the work done and passed the class. Myself, on the other hand, scored a relatively good 1400 on my SAT, yet barely managed to graduate high school. I always wanted to do the work, but I just never seemed capable of sitting down and concentrating long enough to get anything accomplished.</p><p>Like you, my organizational skills are almost non-existent. I can spend hours just trying to figure out how to clear the stuff off my desk, and then still only be halfway done by the end of the day. On the other hand, I know exactly what and where everything is, and why it's there, so technically I'm not as disorganized as I seem to be.</p><p>ADHD is a very subtle, very peculiar brain disorder that affects a lot more people than most folks realize. Anyone else out there with similar experiences should do themselves a favor and get a good book on ADHD like the classic "Driven to Distraction" or one of the newer books available on Amazon like the aptly named "You Mean I'm Not Lazy, Stupid or Crazy?!", and see if it gives you some answers as to why you've always had trouble with certain things in life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should have yourself tested for ADHD .
It 's not just " an excuse for lazy people " , it 's a real neurological disorder that can affect someone of any IQ .
The symptoms you describe fit the pattern of ADHD .
Notice how one of the posters replying to you accuses you of having " poor organizational skills and probably a bad work ethic " , as if you could just easily learn to organize a little better and have a better attitude toward studying .
In other words , you 're stupid and lazy .
Except , obviously you are n't stupid , and if laziness were the cause of your problems with studying , you would probably just say so .
Despite being highly intelligent your brain just does n't do certain things very well , like coming up with ways to organize physical objects and manage time .
Seems pretty obvious that if it were that easy to change , you would have done so by now.I have a similar experience .
Early on I did quite well in school , although mostly because I was good at taking tests .
Along about the start of high school I started falling behind because I could no longer just go through each glass doing the problems in my head and get away with not doing the mounds of homework that often seemed an insurmountable obstacle .
Or , just like you I would forget important projects or find myself unable to begin a report until the night before it was due .
Other students of average or even low intelligence somehow trudged through all the required work and passed classes where I often struggled even though I usually understood the material better than they did .
The other people around me had the ability to sit down day after day and work through hours of homework and report writing and somehow get almost everything done on time .
Sure , a lot of them got Bs , Cs and Ds , but they got the work done and passed the class .
Myself , on the other hand , scored a relatively good 1400 on my SAT , yet barely managed to graduate high school .
I always wanted to do the work , but I just never seemed capable of sitting down and concentrating long enough to get anything accomplished.Like you , my organizational skills are almost non-existent .
I can spend hours just trying to figure out how to clear the stuff off my desk , and then still only be halfway done by the end of the day .
On the other hand , I know exactly what and where everything is , and why it 's there , so technically I 'm not as disorganized as I seem to be.ADHD is a very subtle , very peculiar brain disorder that affects a lot more people than most folks realize .
Anyone else out there with similar experiences should do themselves a favor and get a good book on ADHD like the classic " Driven to Distraction " or one of the newer books available on Amazon like the aptly named " You Mean I 'm Not Lazy , Stupid or Crazy ? !
" , and see if it gives you some answers as to why you 've always had trouble with certain things in life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should have yourself tested for ADHD.
It's not just "an excuse for lazy people", it's a real neurological disorder that can affect someone of any IQ.
The symptoms you describe fit the pattern of ADHD.
Notice how one of the posters replying to you accuses you of having "poor organizational skills and probably a bad work ethic", as if you could just easily learn to organize a little better and have a better attitude toward studying.
In other words, you're stupid and lazy.
Except, obviously you aren't stupid, and if laziness were the cause of your problems with studying, you would probably just say so.
Despite being highly intelligent your brain just doesn't do certain things very well, like coming up with ways to organize physical objects and manage time.
Seems pretty obvious that if it were that easy to change, you would have done so by now.I have a similar experience.
Early on I did quite well in school, although mostly because I was good at taking tests.
Along about the start of high school I started falling behind because I could no longer just go through each glass doing the problems in my head and get away with not doing the mounds of homework that often seemed an insurmountable obstacle.
Or, just like you I would forget important projects or find myself unable to begin a report until the night before it was due.
Other students of average or even low intelligence somehow trudged through all the required work and passed classes where I often struggled even though I usually understood the material better than they did.
The other people around me had the ability to sit down day after day and work through hours of homework and report writing and somehow get almost everything done on time.
Sure, a lot of them got Bs, Cs and Ds, but they got the work done and passed the class.
Myself, on the other hand, scored a relatively good 1400 on my SAT, yet barely managed to graduate high school.
I always wanted to do the work, but I just never seemed capable of sitting down and concentrating long enough to get anything accomplished.Like you, my organizational skills are almost non-existent.
I can spend hours just trying to figure out how to clear the stuff off my desk, and then still only be halfway done by the end of the day.
On the other hand, I know exactly what and where everything is, and why it's there, so technically I'm not as disorganized as I seem to be.ADHD is a very subtle, very peculiar brain disorder that affects a lot more people than most folks realize.
Anyone else out there with similar experiences should do themselves a favor and get a good book on ADHD like the classic "Driven to Distraction" or one of the newer books available on Amazon like the aptly named "You Mean I'm Not Lazy, Stupid or Crazy?!
", and see if it gives you some answers as to why you've always had trouble with certain things in life.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983072</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right. IQ doesn't correlate to income, longer life, greater health, or inversely to committing violent crime. Oh wait a minute, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iq#Positive\_correlations\_with\_IQ" title="wikipedia.org">yes, it does.</a> [wikipedia.org] While IQ is not some kind of end-all measurement of human worth, it is definitely measuring more than just test-taking ability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right .
IQ does n't correlate to income , longer life , greater health , or inversely to committing violent crime .
Oh wait a minute , yes , it does .
[ wikipedia.org ] While IQ is not some kind of end-all measurement of human worth , it is definitely measuring more than just test-taking ability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right.
IQ doesn't correlate to income, longer life, greater health, or inversely to committing violent crime.
Oh wait a minute, yes, it does.
[wikipedia.org] While IQ is not some kind of end-all measurement of human worth, it is definitely measuring more than just test-taking ability.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984792</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Bragador</author>
	<datestamp>1256981280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Protip: People don't want you to make a difference. If you do, you'll be praised which would be a problem for those who want the next promotion...</p><p>To climb up there, if that is your goal, you need to be good at managing relationships more than anything else.</p><p>If you don't want to climb, those who do want to climb will make sure you keep your mouth shut.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Protip : People do n't want you to make a difference .
If you do , you 'll be praised which would be a problem for those who want the next promotion...To climb up there , if that is your goal , you need to be good at managing relationships more than anything else.If you do n't want to climb , those who do want to climb will make sure you keep your mouth shut .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Protip: People don't want you to make a difference.
If you do, you'll be praised which would be a problem for those who want the next promotion...To climb up there, if that is your goal, you need to be good at managing relationships more than anything else.If you don't want to climb, those who do want to climb will make sure you keep your mouth shut.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29980920</id>
	<title>It reminds me of the old saying</title>
	<author>Icegryphon</author>
	<datestamp>1257013260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Book smart, Street stupid.<br>
You can't buy or read about commonsense.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Book smart , Street stupid .
You ca n't buy or read about commonsense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Book smart, Street stupid.
You can't buy or read about commonsense.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Amen</title>
	<author>EdgeyEdgey</author>
	<datestamp>1257019500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I once saw a member of Mensa <br>
Meet my wife and try to romance her <br>
The intelegent geek <br>
Didn't think we would speak<br>
In fact he was quite a lot denser</htmltext>
<tokenext>I once saw a member of Mensa Meet my wife and try to romance her The intelegent geek Did n't think we would speak In fact he was quite a lot denser</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I once saw a member of Mensa 
Meet my wife and try to romance her 
The intelegent geek 
Didn't think we would speak
In fact he was quite a lot denser</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257014580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not news that it's the case.  The article isn't "A High IQ Doesn't Mean You're Smart", it's "Why a High IQ Doesn't Mean You're Smart".
</p><p>This is research into explaining the disparity, not proving or demonstrating that it exists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not news that it 's the case .
The article is n't " A High IQ Does n't Mean You 're Smart " , it 's " Why a High IQ Does n't Mean You 're Smart " .
This is research into explaining the disparity , not proving or demonstrating that it exists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not news that it's the case.
The article isn't "A High IQ Doesn't Mean You're Smart", it's "Why a High IQ Doesn't Mean You're Smart".
This is research into explaining the disparity, not proving or demonstrating that it exists.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257445800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I also used to tell my guys that whenever anyone's sitting in a meeting thinking they're the smartest one in the room, that automatically means they're not. Because everyone can learn something from someone, anyone, else, and you'd have to be pretty stoopid to lose sight of that.</p><p>Total bullshit. If 2 people are in a room, and they both think themselves the smartest person there, does that make them of equal intelligence? Or are they both more 'stoopid' than the other? You are presenting a false dichotomy, leaving out the possibility of being smarter than someone and still acknowledging the possibility of being able to learn something from that person. Not only that, even if one (incorrectly) does not acknowledge that possibility one can still be smarter than that other person.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I also used to tell my guys that whenever anyone 's sitting in a meeting thinking they 're the smartest one in the room , that automatically means they 're not .
Because everyone can learn something from someone , anyone , else , and you 'd have to be pretty stoopid to lose sight of that.Total bullshit .
If 2 people are in a room , and they both think themselves the smartest person there , does that make them of equal intelligence ?
Or are they both more 'stoopid ' than the other ?
You are presenting a false dichotomy , leaving out the possibility of being smarter than someone and still acknowledging the possibility of being able to learn something from that person .
Not only that , even if one ( incorrectly ) does not acknowledge that possibility one can still be smarter than that other person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I also used to tell my guys that whenever anyone's sitting in a meeting thinking they're the smartest one in the room, that automatically means they're not.
Because everyone can learn something from someone, anyone, else, and you'd have to be pretty stoopid to lose sight of that.Total bullshit.
If 2 people are in a room, and they both think themselves the smartest person there, does that make them of equal intelligence?
Or are they both more 'stoopid' than the other?
You are presenting a false dichotomy, leaving out the possibility of being smarter than someone and still acknowledging the possibility of being able to learn something from that person.
Not only that, even if one (incorrectly) does not acknowledge that possibility one can still be smarter than that other person.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981674</id>
	<title>Re:It reminds me of the old saying</title>
	<author>dbet</author>
	<datestamp>1257015480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You can't buy or read about commonsense.</p></div><p>Sure you can.  Common sense is just reason applied to every day life.  It's not an entirely different mental process.  Everyone, of any age, can certainly learn to be more sensible.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't buy or read about commonsense.Sure you can .
Common sense is just reason applied to every day life .
It 's not an entirely different mental process .
Everyone , of any age , can certainly learn to be more sensible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't buy or read about commonsense.Sure you can.
Common sense is just reason applied to every day life.
It's not an entirely different mental process.
Everyone, of any age, can certainly learn to be more sensible.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983818</id>
	<title>Re:One of my favorite quotes...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257021420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Intelligence is a tool to be used toward a goal, and goals are not always chosen intelligently.<br>-Larry Niven</p></div><p>I prefer Dilbert's "Intelligence and the application thereof have less in common than most people realize."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Intelligence is a tool to be used toward a goal , and goals are not always chosen intelligently.-Larry NivenI prefer Dilbert 's " Intelligence and the application thereof have less in common than most people realize .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intelligence is a tool to be used toward a goal, and goals are not always chosen intelligently.-Larry NivenI prefer Dilbert's "Intelligence and the application thereof have less in common than most people realize.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982486</id>
	<title>Re:IQ doesn't measure common sense.</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1257017700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like to express it as 'It takes imagination to fail spectacularly.'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like to express it as 'It takes imagination to fail spectacularly .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like to express it as 'It takes imagination to fail spectacularly.
'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29980944</id>
	<title>I knew this 25 years ago...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257013320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When the GM at my first AD&amp;D game explained the difference between INT and WIS....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When the GM at my first AD&amp;D game explained the difference between INT and WIS... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the GM at my first AD&amp;D game explained the difference between INT and WIS....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982132</id>
	<title>Aptitude</title>
	<author>yerktoader</author>
	<datestamp>1257016860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Guard: Okay, sir. Now we will begin to proceed to obtain your IQ and aptitude test.
<br>Joe: What for?
<br>Guard: Okay, sir. This is to figure out what your aptitude's good at, and get you a jail job while you're being a particular individual in jail.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Guard : Okay , sir .
Now we will begin to proceed to obtain your IQ and aptitude test .
Joe : What for ?
Guard : Okay , sir .
This is to figure out what your aptitude 's good at , and get you a jail job while you 're being a particular individual in jail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guard: Okay, sir.
Now we will begin to proceed to obtain your IQ and aptitude test.
Joe: What for?
Guard: Okay, sir.
This is to figure out what your aptitude's good at, and get you a jail job while you're being a particular individual in jail.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29986082</id>
	<title>Re:It's true</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256985120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm going to take a wild guess that your brother-in-law is also severely introverted.  That is, it sounds like he's basically living his life inside his own head.  I'm that way, too:  I can get so focused on some abstract problem that I do ridiculous things like leave the keys in the door, lock the keys in the car, fill the sink to wash dishes and then realize the next day I'd forgotten to do them, tell someone I'll do something in the next five minutes and then five hours later realize I haven't done it, etc.</p><p>The trick is to learn to take some moments out of the day to be aware of one's actual (rather than imagined) environment.  This can be done contextually.  For instance, you teach yourself that when you get out of your car, you don't close the driver's side door without looking to see if you're holding your keys.  You teach yourself that you can't go too deeply into your brain while you have a chore due in a few minutes (which can also be a bit of a motivation strategy!).  Stuff like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm going to take a wild guess that your brother-in-law is also severely introverted .
That is , it sounds like he 's basically living his life inside his own head .
I 'm that way , too : I can get so focused on some abstract problem that I do ridiculous things like leave the keys in the door , lock the keys in the car , fill the sink to wash dishes and then realize the next day I 'd forgotten to do them , tell someone I 'll do something in the next five minutes and then five hours later realize I have n't done it , etc.The trick is to learn to take some moments out of the day to be aware of one 's actual ( rather than imagined ) environment .
This can be done contextually .
For instance , you teach yourself that when you get out of your car , you do n't close the driver 's side door without looking to see if you 're holding your keys .
You teach yourself that you ca n't go too deeply into your brain while you have a chore due in a few minutes ( which can also be a bit of a motivation strategy ! ) .
Stuff like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm going to take a wild guess that your brother-in-law is also severely introverted.
That is, it sounds like he's basically living his life inside his own head.
I'm that way, too:  I can get so focused on some abstract problem that I do ridiculous things like leave the keys in the door, lock the keys in the car, fill the sink to wash dishes and then realize the next day I'd forgotten to do them, tell someone I'll do something in the next five minutes and then five hours later realize I haven't done it, etc.The trick is to learn to take some moments out of the day to be aware of one's actual (rather than imagined) environment.
This can be done contextually.
For instance, you teach yourself that when you get out of your car, you don't close the driver's side door without looking to see if you're holding your keys.
You teach yourself that you can't go too deeply into your brain while you have a chore due in a few minutes (which can also be a bit of a motivation strategy!).
Stuff like that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982402</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1257017520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most school tests as they are now in America are designed for testing memorization of facts, and application of memorized formulas. It makes the job much easier on the teacher, because they only have to look to see if the answer matches the key, rather than figure out if it's actually correct. They can farm this off onto assistants and such, which given the large class sizes any more, is the only sane thing to do.<br> <br>
And then we have the parents and kids who demand to know what the answers are before the test, so they just have to regurgitate the right things, rather than actually have to think and analyze. How is a teacher going to fight against that when all the standardized testing is designed to just measure whether or not you've memorized all the facts? Gah. Sorry... &lt;/rant&gt;</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most school tests as they are now in America are designed for testing memorization of facts , and application of memorized formulas .
It makes the job much easier on the teacher , because they only have to look to see if the answer matches the key , rather than figure out if it 's actually correct .
They can farm this off onto assistants and such , which given the large class sizes any more , is the only sane thing to do .
And then we have the parents and kids who demand to know what the answers are before the test , so they just have to regurgitate the right things , rather than actually have to think and analyze .
How is a teacher going to fight against that when all the standardized testing is designed to just measure whether or not you 've memorized all the facts ?
Gah. Sorry.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most school tests as they are now in America are designed for testing memorization of facts, and application of memorized formulas.
It makes the job much easier on the teacher, because they only have to look to see if the answer matches the key, rather than figure out if it's actually correct.
They can farm this off onto assistants and such, which given the large class sizes any more, is the only sane thing to do.
And then we have the parents and kids who demand to know what the answers are before the test, so they just have to regurgitate the right things, rather than actually have to think and analyze.
How is a teacher going to fight against that when all the standardized testing is designed to just measure whether or not you've memorized all the facts?
Gah. Sorry... </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29989750</id>
	<title>Re:One of my favorite quotes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257001800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The slogan "Press On" has solved and always will solve the<br>problems of the human race."</p><p>I thought it was "Press 'Launch'".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The slogan " Press On " has solved and always will solve theproblems of the human race .
" I thought it was " Press 'Launch ' " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The slogan "Press On" has solved and always will solve theproblems of the human race.
"I thought it was "Press 'Launch'".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988194</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>Have Brain Will Rent</author>
	<datestamp>1256993520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well I think it is also true that "not so smart" people tend to distrust those who are obviously smarter than them. My guess is that this is rooted in a feeling that if someone is noticeably smarter than you then you may start thinking along the lines of "Hey, how would I kow if this guy was BS'ing me? I can't trust him because I can't tell if what he says is true or not."
<br> <br>
Also while it is trendy these days to jump on the "high IQ doesn't mean you are smart" bandwagon I think it is worth stopping for a moment to consider what skills are measured by IQ tests. Memory. Pattern Recognition. Basic Logic. And so on. Could you be considered smart if you do poorly on all these? Let's not reach for the 1 in 10,000 person who might be a counter-example but instead consider the average person - if they have poor memory, poor logic, poor pattern recognition etc. could you actually consider them smart and if so by what definition of the word smart?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I think it is also true that " not so smart " people tend to distrust those who are obviously smarter than them .
My guess is that this is rooted in a feeling that if someone is noticeably smarter than you then you may start thinking along the lines of " Hey , how would I kow if this guy was BS'ing me ?
I ca n't trust him because I ca n't tell if what he says is true or not .
" Also while it is trendy these days to jump on the " high IQ does n't mean you are smart " bandwagon I think it is worth stopping for a moment to consider what skills are measured by IQ tests .
Memory. Pattern Recognition .
Basic Logic .
And so on .
Could you be considered smart if you do poorly on all these ?
Let 's not reach for the 1 in 10,000 person who might be a counter-example but instead consider the average person - if they have poor memory , poor logic , poor pattern recognition etc .
could you actually consider them smart and if so by what definition of the word smart ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I think it is also true that "not so smart" people tend to distrust those who are obviously smarter than them.
My guess is that this is rooted in a feeling that if someone is noticeably smarter than you then you may start thinking along the lines of "Hey, how would I kow if this guy was BS'ing me?
I can't trust him because I can't tell if what he says is true or not.
"
 
Also while it is trendy these days to jump on the "high IQ doesn't mean you are smart" bandwagon I think it is worth stopping for a moment to consider what skills are measured by IQ tests.
Memory. Pattern Recognition.
Basic Logic.
And so on.
Could you be considered smart if you do poorly on all these?
Let's not reach for the 1 in 10,000 person who might be a counter-example but instead consider the average person - if they have poor memory, poor logic, poor pattern recognition etc.
could you actually consider them smart and if so by what definition of the word smart?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29986048</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Windwraith</author>
	<datestamp>1256985000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have 164, but I am what you can call downright stupid.<br>My talking is awkward, I am very clumsy and I have trouble with empathy and I am too lazy and selfish. I have really bad short-term memory too.<br>I do really well in low-resource situations and I have a great capacity to learn new skills and forming balance out of situations, but that was never anything that could help me with real life... although I do very well with little money at least.<br>So I agree, it means little.</p><p>For me it only served to get "extra attention" from teachers that demanded more from me than from everyone else, right to the point of "adjusting" my grades to my theorical intelligence and silly lectures about my "potential". Since my profile circulated around the town, I got those high demands until the very last years, where I couldn't afford any more and got to work. I couldn't even get to college.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have 164 , but I am what you can call downright stupid.My talking is awkward , I am very clumsy and I have trouble with empathy and I am too lazy and selfish .
I have really bad short-term memory too.I do really well in low-resource situations and I have a great capacity to learn new skills and forming balance out of situations , but that was never anything that could help me with real life... although I do very well with little money at least.So I agree , it means little.For me it only served to get " extra attention " from teachers that demanded more from me than from everyone else , right to the point of " adjusting " my grades to my theorical intelligence and silly lectures about my " potential " .
Since my profile circulated around the town , I got those high demands until the very last years , where I could n't afford any more and got to work .
I could n't even get to college .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have 164, but I am what you can call downright stupid.My talking is awkward, I am very clumsy and I have trouble with empathy and I am too lazy and selfish.
I have really bad short-term memory too.I do really well in low-resource situations and I have a great capacity to learn new skills and forming balance out of situations, but that was never anything that could help me with real life... although I do very well with little money at least.So I agree, it means little.For me it only served to get "extra attention" from teachers that demanded more from me than from everyone else, right to the point of "adjusting" my grades to my theorical intelligence and silly lectures about my "potential".
Since my profile circulated around the town, I got those high demands until the very last years, where I couldn't afford any more and got to work.
I couldn't even get to college.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982814</id>
	<title>Interesting observation</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1257018600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen quite a few intelligent and highly educated people who lack common sense. This could be a side effect of their picking one narrow specialty and developing their skills in that area rather than acquiring a base of general knowledge. That's more a failure of our educational system then their innate lack of abilities. Look at another example of such specialization: Jocks. Far too many people get pigeon-holed early in life as physically exceptional. And then they are allowed to slide through the rest of their school's curriculum. Many of them are not stupid, just uneducated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen quite a few intelligent and highly educated people who lack common sense .
This could be a side effect of their picking one narrow specialty and developing their skills in that area rather than acquiring a base of general knowledge .
That 's more a failure of our educational system then their innate lack of abilities .
Look at another example of such specialization : Jocks .
Far too many people get pigeon-holed early in life as physically exceptional .
And then they are allowed to slide through the rest of their school 's curriculum .
Many of them are not stupid , just uneducated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen quite a few intelligent and highly educated people who lack common sense.
This could be a side effect of their picking one narrow specialty and developing their skills in that area rather than acquiring a base of general knowledge.
That's more a failure of our educational system then their innate lack of abilities.
Look at another example of such specialization: Jocks.
Far too many people get pigeon-holed early in life as physically exceptional.
And then they are allowed to slide through the rest of their school's curriculum.
Many of them are not stupid, just uneducated.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988226</id>
	<title>Re:Smartest people I know are morons in some thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256993640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can write single letters, too. Ones just as meaningful as yours.</p><p>T</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can write single letters , too .
Ones just as meaningful as yours.T</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can write single letters, too.
Ones just as meaningful as yours.T</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984164</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257022500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thoughts:<p><div class="quote"><p>They are risk takers</p></div><p>
The addendum to this is: They are lucky, for every person that takes the right gamble 2 or 3 miss the mark and end up with just the shirts on their backs. (The adage was 'Luck and Pluck'.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>They are collectivists, socialists, communist, etc. They need others to support them, whether they admit/accept this or not, their actions (or lack of) hinder their ability to grow wealth.</p></div><p>
The second sentence I agree with emphatically and think is beautifully put.  The first sentence weakens your argument significantly.  Don't bother with the labels; some group thinkers are plenty responsible, frugal and intelligent.  Some non group thinkers are still irresponsible, wasteful dumb people.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thoughts : They are risk takers The addendum to this is : They are lucky , for every person that takes the right gamble 2 or 3 miss the mark and end up with just the shirts on their backs .
( The adage was 'Luck and Pluck' .
) They are collectivists , socialists , communist , etc .
They need others to support them , whether they admit/accept this or not , their actions ( or lack of ) hinder their ability to grow wealth .
The second sentence I agree with emphatically and think is beautifully put .
The first sentence weakens your argument significantly .
Do n't bother with the labels ; some group thinkers are plenty responsible , frugal and intelligent .
Some non group thinkers are still irresponsible , wasteful dumb people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thoughts:They are risk takers
The addendum to this is: They are lucky, for every person that takes the right gamble 2 or 3 miss the mark and end up with just the shirts on their backs.
(The adage was 'Luck and Pluck'.
)They are collectivists, socialists, communist, etc.
They need others to support them, whether they admit/accept this or not, their actions (or lack of) hinder their ability to grow wealth.
The second sentence I agree with emphatically and think is beautifully put.
The first sentence weakens your argument significantly.
Don't bother with the labels; some group thinkers are plenty responsible, frugal and intelligent.
Some non group thinkers are still irresponsible, wasteful dumb people.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29989004</id>
	<title>Oranges and apples</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1256997540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>How can a 'smart' person act foolishly?</i> </p><p>Because being smart doesn't make you wise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How can a 'smart ' person act foolishly ?
Because being smart does n't make you wise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> How can a 'smart' person act foolishly?
Because being smart doesn't make you wise.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29993206</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>master\_p</author>
	<datestamp>1257425640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The most common factors I have noticed about the rich people are:</p><p>1) they are lucky. They are there at the right moment.<br>2) they are cheaters. No multi-millionaire has played fair 100\% in his business.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The most common factors I have noticed about the rich people are : 1 ) they are lucky .
They are there at the right moment.2 ) they are cheaters .
No multi-millionaire has played fair 100 \ % in his business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The most common factors I have noticed about the rich people are:1) they are lucky.
They are there at the right moment.2) they are cheaters.
No multi-millionaire has played fair 100\% in his business.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29997980</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257451560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I remember some comment here on Slashdot a while back (I foget who it was or what the story was about) where somebody was complaining that, as a person in the 99th intelligence percentile, it was simply impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence. The comment struck me as amazingly arrogant and short-sighted.</p></div><p>The thing is, people with high intelligence often don't feel they're better than others, but they \_do\_ get bored easily. And nothing is more painful than spending time with someone who's only passion is getting paid, getting drunk, and/or getting laid.</p><p>I enjoy all those activities as well, but they don't drive me. What drives me is a thirst for knowledge. Is it so wrong that I choose to associate myself with like minded people? Is that "elitist"?</p></div>
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<tokenext>I remember some comment here on Slashdot a while back ( I foget who it was or what the story was about ) where somebody was complaining that , as a person in the 99th intelligence percentile , it was simply impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence .
The comment struck me as amazingly arrogant and short-sighted.The thing is , people with high intelligence often do n't feel they 're better than others , but they \ _do \ _ get bored easily .
And nothing is more painful than spending time with someone who 's only passion is getting paid , getting drunk , and/or getting laid.I enjoy all those activities as well , but they do n't drive me .
What drives me is a thirst for knowledge .
Is it so wrong that I choose to associate myself with like minded people ?
Is that " elitist " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember some comment here on Slashdot a while back (I foget who it was or what the story was about) where somebody was complaining that, as a person in the 99th intelligence percentile, it was simply impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence.
The comment struck me as amazingly arrogant and short-sighted.The thing is, people with high intelligence often don't feel they're better than others, but they \_do\_ get bored easily.
And nothing is more painful than spending time with someone who's only passion is getting paid, getting drunk, and/or getting laid.I enjoy all those activities as well, but they don't drive me.
What drives me is a thirst for knowledge.
Is it so wrong that I choose to associate myself with like minded people?
Is that "elitist"?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29986628</id>
	<title>Int vs wis</title>
	<author>aLEczapKA</author>
	<datestamp>1256986980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Knowing is not enough, you have to apply.</i> - Bruce Lee</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Knowing is not enough , you have to apply .
- Bruce Lee</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Knowing is not enough, you have to apply.
- Bruce Lee</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29995354</id>
	<title>IQ and the HMA</title>
	<author>Sqreater</author>
	<datestamp>1257439200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Intelligence, as we commonly think of it, is a combination of ability and one's particularly accented variation of the Human Motivation Array. We build and execute from birth a behaviorspace to satisfy our HMA. You may have an Einsteinian IQ, but if you have the HMA of a comedian, you are not going to build a behaviorspace that includes study and thought about physics. You are not going to spend your life pursuing one particular area of physics. Remember, Einstein never accepted Quantum Mechanics. He had the IQ. He just did not have the HMA to do so. The IQ + HMA combination of Newton is amazing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Intelligence , as we commonly think of it , is a combination of ability and one 's particularly accented variation of the Human Motivation Array .
We build and execute from birth a behaviorspace to satisfy our HMA .
You may have an Einsteinian IQ , but if you have the HMA of a comedian , you are not going to build a behaviorspace that includes study and thought about physics .
You are not going to spend your life pursuing one particular area of physics .
Remember , Einstein never accepted Quantum Mechanics .
He had the IQ .
He just did not have the HMA to do so .
The IQ + HMA combination of Newton is amazing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intelligence, as we commonly think of it, is a combination of ability and one's particularly accented variation of the Human Motivation Array.
We build and execute from birth a behaviorspace to satisfy our HMA.
You may have an Einsteinian IQ, but if you have the HMA of a comedian, you are not going to build a behaviorspace that includes study and thought about physics.
You are not going to spend your life pursuing one particular area of physics.
Remember, Einstein never accepted Quantum Mechanics.
He had the IQ.
He just did not have the HMA to do so.
The IQ + HMA combination of Newton is amazing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981118</id>
	<title>IQ doesn't measure common sense.</title>
	<author>wiredog</author>
	<datestamp>1257013800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the Army it was a cliche (but mostly true) that the higher IQ (or score on the ASVAB) the soldier, the likelier he was to do remarkably stupid things.</p><p>This is because, in my experience, the more intelligent are more likely to wonder "What happens if I do <i>this</i> and then do it.  <i>This</i> being some variant of (as Daffy Duck said) "Don't EVER push the wed one!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the Army it was a cliche ( but mostly true ) that the higher IQ ( or score on the ASVAB ) the soldier , the likelier he was to do remarkably stupid things.This is because , in my experience , the more intelligent are more likely to wonder " What happens if I do this and then do it .
This being some variant of ( as Daffy Duck said ) " Do n't EVER push the wed one !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the Army it was a cliche (but mostly true) that the higher IQ (or score on the ASVAB) the soldier, the likelier he was to do remarkably stupid things.This is because, in my experience, the more intelligent are more likely to wonder "What happens if I do this and then do it.
This being some variant of (as Daffy Duck said) "Don't EVER push the wed one!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29990474</id>
	<title>Brain make people dumb</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257007020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, Leela, brain make people smart.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , Leela , brain make people smart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, Leela, brain make people smart.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988982</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256997360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's likely that practice improves our ability to solve these kinds of problems, but it's also likely that many of us went into this field because it makes use of an existing facility to solve these kinds of problems.</p><p>It's like observing that professional cyclists have much lower standing heart rates than others and concluding that it is the result of all the strenuous training and competing they do. Yet it's likely that a genetic predisposition to endurance sports is part of the reason why they were initially successful as cyclists and that if those of us without that predisposition were somehow able to do the same amount of exercise, we'd likely not reach the level of cardio fitness that these cyclists reach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's likely that practice improves our ability to solve these kinds of problems , but it 's also likely that many of us went into this field because it makes use of an existing facility to solve these kinds of problems.It 's like observing that professional cyclists have much lower standing heart rates than others and concluding that it is the result of all the strenuous training and competing they do .
Yet it 's likely that a genetic predisposition to endurance sports is part of the reason why they were initially successful as cyclists and that if those of us without that predisposition were somehow able to do the same amount of exercise , we 'd likely not reach the level of cardio fitness that these cyclists reach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's likely that practice improves our ability to solve these kinds of problems, but it's also likely that many of us went into this field because it makes use of an existing facility to solve these kinds of problems.It's like observing that professional cyclists have much lower standing heart rates than others and concluding that it is the result of all the strenuous training and competing they do.
Yet it's likely that a genetic predisposition to endurance sports is part of the reason why they were initially successful as cyclists and that if those of us without that predisposition were somehow able to do the same amount of exercise, we'd likely not reach the level of cardio fitness that these cyclists reach.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29980872</id>
	<title>419 Scams</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257013140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>419 Scammers are probably the best supporting evidence of this research.<br>Countless rich, intelligent people throwing away vast amounts of cash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>419 Scammers are probably the best supporting evidence of this research.Countless rich , intelligent people throwing away vast amounts of cash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>419 Scammers are probably the best supporting evidence of this research.Countless rich, intelligent people throwing away vast amounts of cash.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988816</id>
	<title>Context matters - two observations</title>
	<author>Livius</author>
	<datestamp>1256996520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Extremes of intelligence (whatever that is) can be counter-productive.  Some very smart people so rarely make mistakes that they become over-confident and when mistakes are made, they don't know how to respond or are even are not able to accept it.</p><p>2. Learning and unlearning are not the same, and learning something new is significantly more difficult if it involves unlearning something old.  Letting go of flawed theories or bad information is probably a bigger part of what gets called intelligence than acquiring new ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Extremes of intelligence ( whatever that is ) can be counter-productive .
Some very smart people so rarely make mistakes that they become over-confident and when mistakes are made , they do n't know how to respond or are even are not able to accept it.2 .
Learning and unlearning are not the same , and learning something new is significantly more difficult if it involves unlearning something old .
Letting go of flawed theories or bad information is probably a bigger part of what gets called intelligence than acquiring new ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Extremes of intelligence (whatever that is) can be counter-productive.
Some very smart people so rarely make mistakes that they become over-confident and when mistakes are made, they don't know how to respond or are even are not able to accept it.2.
Learning and unlearning are not the same, and learning something new is significantly more difficult if it involves unlearning something old.
Letting go of flawed theories or bad information is probably a bigger part of what gets called intelligence than acquiring new ones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29995230</id>
	<title>Bull!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257438600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lets look at it this way. The average IQ for Americans is 100. The retardation level was 80 and is now 60. 40 points difference. If you have an IQ that is low to middle for Slashdot, say 145. At 45 points difference you are farther from the average person than they are from retards or smart dogs.<br>I suspect that you will be as happy hanging around average people, as they would be hanging out with the kids from the short bus or the collie down the block.  Lassie may be a clever dog but no one is going to ask him to be their best man.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets look at it this way .
The average IQ for Americans is 100 .
The retardation level was 80 and is now 60 .
40 points difference .
If you have an IQ that is low to middle for Slashdot , say 145 .
At 45 points difference you are farther from the average person than they are from retards or smart dogs.I suspect that you will be as happy hanging around average people , as they would be hanging out with the kids from the short bus or the collie down the block .
Lassie may be a clever dog but no one is going to ask him to be their best man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets look at it this way.
The average IQ for Americans is 100.
The retardation level was 80 and is now 60.
40 points difference.
If you have an IQ that is low to middle for Slashdot, say 145.
At 45 points difference you are farther from the average person than they are from retards or smart dogs.I suspect that you will be as happy hanging around average people, as they would be hanging out with the kids from the short bus or the collie down the block.
Lassie may be a clever dog but no one is going to ask him to be their best man.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29984102</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257022320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a Mensa dropout and a retiree I can confirm that a high IQ allows you to be a slacker at a much higher salary level.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a Mensa dropout and a retiree I can confirm that a high IQ allows you to be a slacker at a much higher salary level .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a Mensa dropout and a retiree I can confirm that a high IQ allows you to be a slacker at a much higher salary level.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29987948</id>
	<title>there are math professors</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1256992260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>who can't balance their checkbooks</p><p>that nicely summarizes the contradictions between being "high iq" and "smart"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>who ca n't balance their checkbooksthat nicely summarizes the contradictions between being " high iq " and " smart "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>who can't balance their checkbooksthat nicely summarizes the contradictions between being "high iq" and "smart"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981170</id>
	<title>The word we're looking for here</title>
	<author>idontgno</author>
	<datestamp>1257013980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is "wisdom".</p><p>The opposite of "foolish" is not "smart". The opposite of "foolish" is "wise".</p><p>See also "book-smart" v. "street-smart", INT v. WIS (in D&amp;D et al.), and the <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/10/23/1512212/The-Science-of-Irrational-Decisions" title="slashdot.org">role of irrational thinking in decision processes</a> [slashdot.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is " wisdom " .The opposite of " foolish " is not " smart " .
The opposite of " foolish " is " wise " .See also " book-smart " v. " street-smart " , INT v. WIS ( in D&amp;D et al .
) , and the role of irrational thinking in decision processes [ slashdot.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is "wisdom".The opposite of "foolish" is not "smart".
The opposite of "foolish" is "wise".See also "book-smart" v. "street-smart", INT v. WIS (in D&amp;D et al.
), and the role of irrational thinking in decision processes [slashdot.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981636</id>
	<title>informat1ve bitchbitch</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257015360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>would choose to use to work I'm doing, to decline for When I stood 7or be 'very poorly goodbye...she had are about 7000/5</htmltext>
<tokenext>would choose to use to work I 'm doing , to decline for When I stood 7or be 'very poorly goodbye...she had are about 7000/5</tokentext>
<sentencetext>would choose to use to work I'm doing, to decline for When I stood 7or be 'very poorly goodbye...she had are about 7000/5</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29985926</id>
	<title>Re:One of my favorite quotes</title>
	<author>NeutronCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1256984640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I much prefer the short version: "When going through hell, keep going." -Churchill</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I much prefer the short version : " When going through hell , keep going .
" -Churchill</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I much prefer the short version: "When going through hell, keep going.
" -Churchill</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29988488</id>
	<title>People I'm tempted to slap up side the head</title>
	<author>smchris</author>
	<datestamp>1256994960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't say his sample questions are very hard but they could likely catch people with what I call the "hyper monkey grab fruit" syndrome.  And there are a lot of them.  If a person just \_calmly\_ steps back for a moment and thinks...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't say his sample questions are very hard but they could likely catch people with what I call the " hyper monkey grab fruit " syndrome .
And there are a lot of them .
If a person just \ _calmly \ _ steps back for a moment and thinks.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't say his sample questions are very hard but they could likely catch people with what I call the "hyper monkey grab fruit" syndrome.
And there are a lot of them.
If a person just \_calmly\_ steps back for a moment and thinks...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29999242</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>hitnrunrambler</author>
	<datestamp>1257413580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You get to say "as a member of MENSA..."</p><p>trust me for those of us who were told by guidance counselors to apply but have always been to lazy to do so those 5 words are taunting golden mirages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You get to say " as a member of MENSA... " trust me for those of us who were told by guidance counselors to apply but have always been to lazy to do so those 5 words are taunting golden mirages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You get to say "as a member of MENSA..."trust me for those of us who were told by guidance counselors to apply but have always been to lazy to do so those 5 words are taunting golden mirages.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981376</id>
	<title>Re:It reminds me of the old saying</title>
	<author>dintlu</author>
	<datestamp>1257014580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Street stupid" is a cop-out, and common sense has been proven again and again by psychologists to be a very poor decision making tool.</p><p>Instead, look at a high IQ as just one of the MANY factors that motivate a person's behavior.  Emotions like love, greed and envy, self-esteem, past experiences both good and bad, and rational thought are all factored into the decisions we make every day.  So a person can have boatloads of intelligence but is so greedy they fall for a 419 scam, financially ruining themselves.  Or they're in love enough to stay in an unhealthy relationship and have a stroke from the stress.  Or their self-esteem is so much in the gutter that they compulsively buy shit on QVC and eventually file for bankruptcy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Street stupid " is a cop-out , and common sense has been proven again and again by psychologists to be a very poor decision making tool.Instead , look at a high IQ as just one of the MANY factors that motivate a person 's behavior .
Emotions like love , greed and envy , self-esteem , past experiences both good and bad , and rational thought are all factored into the decisions we make every day .
So a person can have boatloads of intelligence but is so greedy they fall for a 419 scam , financially ruining themselves .
Or they 're in love enough to stay in an unhealthy relationship and have a stroke from the stress .
Or their self-esteem is so much in the gutter that they compulsively buy shit on QVC and eventually file for bankruptcy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Street stupid" is a cop-out, and common sense has been proven again and again by psychologists to be a very poor decision making tool.Instead, look at a high IQ as just one of the MANY factors that motivate a person's behavior.
Emotions like love, greed and envy, self-esteem, past experiences both good and bad, and rational thought are all factored into the decisions we make every day.
So a person can have boatloads of intelligence but is so greedy they fall for a 419 scam, financially ruining themselves.
Or they're in love enough to stay in an unhealthy relationship and have a stroke from the stress.
Or their self-esteem is so much in the gutter that they compulsively buy shit on QVC and eventually file for bankruptcy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981882</id>
	<title>Am I smart?</title>
	<author>wandazulu</author>
	<datestamp>1257016080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(I know I am likely setting myself up for a lot of responses that will be posted +5 funny, but what the heck...)</p><p>Am I smart developer? I had the program I'm supposed to write explained to me in painful detail via a 100+ page spec. It pretty much was the blueprint for everything I had to do. Am I smart because I know the programming language? I seem to spend a lot of time googling around to find the name of a method or a bit of code that someone else wrote that takes care of a particularly tricky bit of logic. Am I smart because the program worked? The testing team found a lot of bugs that I had to fix. When I came across a strange situation, back to Google I went to see if anyone else had ever seen a similar situation. Rinse-and-repeat until the testing team said it was ready to go, and off into production it went. It works well and I was told by the boss how smart I was to get this program up and running.</p><p>This is all tongue-and-cheek of course (uh, of course it is...right..), but what does it really take to be "smart" these days, where so much is seemingly done for you. If I wanted to brush up on a subject to *seem* smart, I could, theoretically, read the Wikipedia article a half-dozen times and, assuming I am just smart enough to be not seem like I'm reciting some fact from memory, appear to be well versed in the topic.</p><p>And, likewise, what about being "smart" about the wrong things? Say I know every possible thing to know about a Model T car. I know how to coax better performance out of it, I know how to fix the suspension by the side of the road, I not only know *how*, but I can also tell you *why*. But, in the 21st century, does any of that knowledge make me smart?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( I know I am likely setting myself up for a lot of responses that will be posted + 5 funny , but what the heck... ) Am I smart developer ?
I had the program I 'm supposed to write explained to me in painful detail via a 100 + page spec .
It pretty much was the blueprint for everything I had to do .
Am I smart because I know the programming language ?
I seem to spend a lot of time googling around to find the name of a method or a bit of code that someone else wrote that takes care of a particularly tricky bit of logic .
Am I smart because the program worked ?
The testing team found a lot of bugs that I had to fix .
When I came across a strange situation , back to Google I went to see if anyone else had ever seen a similar situation .
Rinse-and-repeat until the testing team said it was ready to go , and off into production it went .
It works well and I was told by the boss how smart I was to get this program up and running.This is all tongue-and-cheek of course ( uh , of course it is...right.. ) , but what does it really take to be " smart " these days , where so much is seemingly done for you .
If I wanted to brush up on a subject to * seem * smart , I could , theoretically , read the Wikipedia article a half-dozen times and , assuming I am just smart enough to be not seem like I 'm reciting some fact from memory , appear to be well versed in the topic.And , likewise , what about being " smart " about the wrong things ?
Say I know every possible thing to know about a Model T car .
I know how to coax better performance out of it , I know how to fix the suspension by the side of the road , I not only know * how * , but I can also tell you * why * .
But , in the 21st century , does any of that knowledge make me smart ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(I know I am likely setting myself up for a lot of responses that will be posted +5 funny, but what the heck...)Am I smart developer?
I had the program I'm supposed to write explained to me in painful detail via a 100+ page spec.
It pretty much was the blueprint for everything I had to do.
Am I smart because I know the programming language?
I seem to spend a lot of time googling around to find the name of a method or a bit of code that someone else wrote that takes care of a particularly tricky bit of logic.
Am I smart because the program worked?
The testing team found a lot of bugs that I had to fix.
When I came across a strange situation, back to Google I went to see if anyone else had ever seen a similar situation.
Rinse-and-repeat until the testing team said it was ready to go, and off into production it went.
It works well and I was told by the boss how smart I was to get this program up and running.This is all tongue-and-cheek of course (uh, of course it is...right..), but what does it really take to be "smart" these days, where so much is seemingly done for you.
If I wanted to brush up on a subject to *seem* smart, I could, theoretically, read the Wikipedia article a half-dozen times and, assuming I am just smart enough to be not seem like I'm reciting some fact from memory, appear to be well versed in the topic.And, likewise, what about being "smart" about the wrong things?
Say I know every possible thing to know about a Model T car.
I know how to coax better performance out of it, I know how to fix the suspension by the side of the road, I not only know *how*, but I can also tell you *why*.
But, in the 21st century, does any of that knowledge make me smart?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981906</id>
	<title>There is no street smarts without smarts</title>
	<author>0xdeadbeef</author>
	<datestamp>1257016200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, boy, an article dissing on IQ, and out of the woodwork come all the jealous haters.</p><p>You want to know why extraordinarily smart people do silly things? It is because they don't live in the same world as you do. They live in a world full of abstract complexity and wonder, and they don't notice or care about the tedium that is your day-to-day life. So what if they drop cell phones in the toilet and microwave forks? That has nothing to do with being "smart". They just don't care. Why learn what doesn't matter?</p><p>That's what you really hate, isn't it? It isn't just that some things are easier for them. It is that they dismiss what you consider important the way you dismiss the games of children.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , boy , an article dissing on IQ , and out of the woodwork come all the jealous haters.You want to know why extraordinarily smart people do silly things ?
It is because they do n't live in the same world as you do .
They live in a world full of abstract complexity and wonder , and they do n't notice or care about the tedium that is your day-to-day life .
So what if they drop cell phones in the toilet and microwave forks ?
That has nothing to do with being " smart " .
They just do n't care .
Why learn what does n't matter ? That 's what you really hate , is n't it ?
It is n't just that some things are easier for them .
It is that they dismiss what you consider important the way you dismiss the games of children .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, boy, an article dissing on IQ, and out of the woodwork come all the jealous haters.You want to know why extraordinarily smart people do silly things?
It is because they don't live in the same world as you do.
They live in a world full of abstract complexity and wonder, and they don't notice or care about the tedium that is your day-to-day life.
So what if they drop cell phones in the toilet and microwave forks?
That has nothing to do with being "smart".
They just don't care.
Why learn what doesn't matter?That's what you really hate, isn't it?
It isn't just that some things are easier for them.
It is that they dismiss what you consider important the way you dismiss the games of children.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983360</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>crmarvin42</author>
	<datestamp>1257020100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have to agree with you.  <br> <br>The Valedictorian of my graduating class was not the smartest person in our class, just the hardest working.  I remember a conversation in which she admitted as such.  She gave me a list of people that she believed to be smarter than herself, but that didn't apply themselves as much as she did.  <br> <br>A friend of mine was on that list and he was notorious for not turning in homework assignments, despite being capable of doing the work.  She never missed a due date, did all the extra credit she could, and spent far more time studying than anyone else in our grade.  That application was the difference between  being in the top 20\% of our class (as my buddy was) and the top 1\%.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to agree with you .
The Valedictorian of my graduating class was not the smartest person in our class , just the hardest working .
I remember a conversation in which she admitted as such .
She gave me a list of people that she believed to be smarter than herself , but that did n't apply themselves as much as she did .
A friend of mine was on that list and he was notorious for not turning in homework assignments , despite being capable of doing the work .
She never missed a due date , did all the extra credit she could , and spent far more time studying than anyone else in our grade .
That application was the difference between being in the top 20 \ % of our class ( as my buddy was ) and the top 1 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to agree with you.
The Valedictorian of my graduating class was not the smartest person in our class, just the hardest working.
I remember a conversation in which she admitted as such.
She gave me a list of people that she believed to be smarter than herself, but that didn't apply themselves as much as she did.
A friend of mine was on that list and he was notorious for not turning in homework assignments, despite being capable of doing the work.
She never missed a due date, did all the extra credit she could, and spent far more time studying than anyone else in our grade.
That application was the difference between  being in the top 20\% of our class (as my buddy was) and the top 1\%.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29993156</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Aladrin</author>
	<datestamp>1257425100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your problem isn't how you view your ability, it's with your workplace.  Get out.  Find somewhere that appreciates the abilities of their employees instead of fears them.</p><p>I work in a company that does value my contributions.  It's very rewarding to not only get to see my improvements happen, but to get acknowledged for having improved the company and/or my immediate work environment.</p><p>1 caveat:  It wasn't this way from day 1.  I had to earn my right to improve the company.  The new guy will never be able to walk in and start changing things, even if only because they don't know -why- things run like that.  I fought tooth and nail for my first year and a half and had to win against managers that had been here for years that could only see immediate benefits and not long-term.</p><p>Do all of my ideas get implemented now?  No.  Absolutely not.  But they are all given a fair shake at least.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your problem is n't how you view your ability , it 's with your workplace .
Get out .
Find somewhere that appreciates the abilities of their employees instead of fears them.I work in a company that does value my contributions .
It 's very rewarding to not only get to see my improvements happen , but to get acknowledged for having improved the company and/or my immediate work environment.1 caveat : It was n't this way from day 1 .
I had to earn my right to improve the company .
The new guy will never be able to walk in and start changing things , even if only because they do n't know -why- things run like that .
I fought tooth and nail for my first year and a half and had to win against managers that had been here for years that could only see immediate benefits and not long-term.Do all of my ideas get implemented now ?
No. Absolutely not .
But they are all given a fair shake at least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your problem isn't how you view your ability, it's with your workplace.
Get out.
Find somewhere that appreciates the abilities of their employees instead of fears them.I work in a company that does value my contributions.
It's very rewarding to not only get to see my improvements happen, but to get acknowledged for having improved the company and/or my immediate work environment.1 caveat:  It wasn't this way from day 1.
I had to earn my right to improve the company.
The new guy will never be able to walk in and start changing things, even if only because they don't know -why- things run like that.
I fought tooth and nail for my first year and a half and had to win against managers that had been here for years that could only see immediate benefits and not long-term.Do all of my ideas get implemented now?
No.  Absolutely not.
But they are all given a fair shake at least.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982920</id>
	<title>the old common sense routine</title>
	<author>foog</author>
	<datestamp>1257018960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When a smart person does something stupid, it's because he lacks common sense.  When a stupid person does something stupid, it's because he's stupid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When a smart person does something stupid , it 's because he lacks common sense .
When a stupid person does something stupid , it 's because he 's stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When a smart person does something stupid, it's because he lacks common sense.
When a stupid person does something stupid, it's because he's stupid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983210</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>crmarvin42</author>
	<datestamp>1257019740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The original post didn't even provide anecdote.  So, while my examples are hardly valid from a statistical stand point they are at least data points, instead of poorly informed class hostility.  <br> <br>That's why I asked for citations.  If he's got data (plural) to refute my datum (singular) then he wins.  Otherwise my datum (singular) trumps his complete lack of any verification (null).</htmltext>
<tokenext>The original post did n't even provide anecdote .
So , while my examples are hardly valid from a statistical stand point they are at least data points , instead of poorly informed class hostility .
That 's why I asked for citations .
If he 's got data ( plural ) to refute my datum ( singular ) then he wins .
Otherwise my datum ( singular ) trumps his complete lack of any verification ( null ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The original post didn't even provide anecdote.
So, while my examples are hardly valid from a statistical stand point they are at least data points, instead of poorly informed class hostility.
That's why I asked for citations.
If he's got data (plural) to refute my datum (singular) then he wins.
Otherwise my datum (singular) trumps his complete lack of any verification (null).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983852</id>
	<title>A working definition</title>
	<author>MikeURL</author>
	<datestamp>1257021480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Intelligence:
<br> <br>
1. The measure of one's ability to get what one wants.<br>
2. The measure of how accurate an assessment one can make about their own level of ignorance.
<br> <br>
This definition works in all circumstances.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Intelligence : 1 .
The measure of one 's ability to get what one wants .
2. The measure of how accurate an assessment one can make about their own level of ignorance .
This definition works in all circumstances .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intelligence:
 
1.
The measure of one's ability to get what one wants.
2. The measure of how accurate an assessment one can make about their own level of ignorance.
This definition works in all circumstances.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982548</id>
	<title>Re:IQ is not the same as EQ</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257017880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been playing EQ forever and it has yet to lead me to financial success. Heck, I lost a job to it - not to mention several girlfriends. Who am I kidding? I've never had one since I started.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been playing EQ forever and it has yet to lead me to financial success .
Heck , I lost a job to it - not to mention several girlfriends .
Who am I kidding ?
I 've never had one since I started .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been playing EQ forever and it has yet to lead me to financial success.
Heck, I lost a job to it - not to mention several girlfriends.
Who am I kidding?
I've never had one since I started.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981146</id>
	<title>Sorry Keith</title>
	<author>mevets</author>
	<datestamp>1257013920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You took 15 years to realize that all an IQ test can measure is IQ?   Didn't it seem a bit obvious?   I mean, how smart would you have to be to make a test that actually measured intelligence?   How would you grade it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You took 15 years to realize that all an IQ test can measure is IQ ?
Did n't it seem a bit obvious ?
I mean , how smart would you have to be to make a test that actually measured intelligence ?
How would you grade it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You took 15 years to realize that all an IQ test can measure is IQ?
Didn't it seem a bit obvious?
I mean, how smart would you have to be to make a test that actually measured intelligence?
How would you grade it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29990110</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257004560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I remember some comment here on Slashdot a while back (I foget who it was or what the story was about) where somebody was complaining that, as a person in the 99th intelligence percentile, it was simply impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence.</p></div><p>My experience has been that this is usually code for "impossible to be friends with people who disagree with me".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember some comment here on Slashdot a while back ( I foget who it was or what the story was about ) where somebody was complaining that , as a person in the 99th intelligence percentile , it was simply impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence.My experience has been that this is usually code for " impossible to be friends with people who disagree with me " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember some comment here on Slashdot a while back (I foget who it was or what the story was about) where somebody was complaining that, as a person in the 99th intelligence percentile, it was simply impossible to be friends with people of mediocre intelligence.My experience has been that this is usually code for "impossible to be friends with people who disagree with me".
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981738</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982626</id>
	<title>Re:Openness to ideas and creativity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257018120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is something to be said about being an intellectual among a bunch of people who actually care about what happened on "Dancing with the Stars" last night, though. If you don't have anything in common to discuss, you won't make friends with someone very easily. I agree that the comment you're referencing is exceptionally arrogant, but there's always a nugget of truth in most things like that.<br> <br>
That said, I'm an "intellectual" with a fairly high IQ last time I checked, yet I still get along with most people. It's just that I don't have very strong friendships with people who are mostly "normal" and I tend to drift away from them. And I mean "normal" as in, they don't have any strong opinions or knowledge about anything but recent TV shows and celebrity gossip.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is something to be said about being an intellectual among a bunch of people who actually care about what happened on " Dancing with the Stars " last night , though .
If you do n't have anything in common to discuss , you wo n't make friends with someone very easily .
I agree that the comment you 're referencing is exceptionally arrogant , but there 's always a nugget of truth in most things like that .
That said , I 'm an " intellectual " with a fairly high IQ last time I checked , yet I still get along with most people .
It 's just that I do n't have very strong friendships with people who are mostly " normal " and I tend to drift away from them .
And I mean " normal " as in , they do n't have any strong opinions or knowledge about anything but recent TV shows and celebrity gossip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is something to be said about being an intellectual among a bunch of people who actually care about what happened on "Dancing with the Stars" last night, though.
If you don't have anything in common to discuss, you won't make friends with someone very easily.
I agree that the comment you're referencing is exceptionally arrogant, but there's always a nugget of truth in most things like that.
That said, I'm an "intellectual" with a fairly high IQ last time I checked, yet I still get along with most people.
It's just that I don't have very strong friendships with people who are mostly "normal" and I tend to drift away from them.
And I mean "normal" as in, they don't have any strong opinions or knowledge about anything but recent TV shows and celebrity gossip.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981730</id>
	<title>Obligatory Gary Larson</title>
	<author>lobiusmoop</author>
	<datestamp>1257015600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/83/229551714\_a5b4f7bc43.jpg" title="flickr.com">Midvale School for the Gifted</a> [flickr.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Midvale School for the Gifted [ flickr.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Midvale School for the Gifted [flickr.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982450</id>
	<title>Reverse also true ?</title>
	<author>lbalbalba</author>
	<datestamp>1257017640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So does this imply that the reverse is true as well, meaning that a 'stupid' person can have the occasional brilliant thought ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So does this imply that the reverse is true as well , meaning that a 'stupid ' person can have the occasional brilliant thought ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So does this imply that the reverse is true as well, meaning that a 'stupid' person can have the occasional brilliant thought ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982224</id>
	<title>Re:419 Scams</title>
	<author>jaydonnell</author>
	<datestamp>1257017040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know a number of rich<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com people. They aren't that smart (above average for sure but not super smart), in fact most of the non rich geeks that built their systems are a lot smarter. I'm convinced that intelligence isn't the prime factor, or even in the top 3, of becoming rich. Ability/desire to take risks may be the top factor. Singular unhinged focus on "business" to the exclusion of all kinds of things like their family seems to be another. Both of these are above intelligence as factors determining wealth in my experience.

I also know a lot of really smart people that are just middle class. They have a terrible time functioning in a structured environment and prefer to spend their time pondering whatever whim interests them at the moment. This isn't a recipe for wealth, but it is a recipe for intelligence.

So I have two anecdotes to your one. Does this mean anything?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know a number of rich .com people .
They are n't that smart ( above average for sure but not super smart ) , in fact most of the non rich geeks that built their systems are a lot smarter .
I 'm convinced that intelligence is n't the prime factor , or even in the top 3 , of becoming rich .
Ability/desire to take risks may be the top factor .
Singular unhinged focus on " business " to the exclusion of all kinds of things like their family seems to be another .
Both of these are above intelligence as factors determining wealth in my experience .
I also know a lot of really smart people that are just middle class .
They have a terrible time functioning in a structured environment and prefer to spend their time pondering whatever whim interests them at the moment .
This is n't a recipe for wealth , but it is a recipe for intelligence .
So I have two anecdotes to your one .
Does this mean anything ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know a number of rich .com people.
They aren't that smart (above average for sure but not super smart), in fact most of the non rich geeks that built their systems are a lot smarter.
I'm convinced that intelligence isn't the prime factor, or even in the top 3, of becoming rich.
Ability/desire to take risks may be the top factor.
Singular unhinged focus on "business" to the exclusion of all kinds of things like their family seems to be another.
Both of these are above intelligence as factors determining wealth in my experience.
I also know a lot of really smart people that are just middle class.
They have a terrible time functioning in a structured environment and prefer to spend their time pondering whatever whim interests them at the moment.
This isn't a recipe for wealth, but it is a recipe for intelligence.
So I have two anecdotes to your one.
Does this mean anything?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982418</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257017580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stick the crayon back up your nose! Because there is no room in this world for a man with a 105 IQ</p><p>[/smart homer]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stick the crayon back up your nose !
Because there is no room in this world for a man with a 105 IQ [ /smart homer ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stick the crayon back up your nose!
Because there is no room in this world for a man with a 105 IQ[/smart homer]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29980984</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29991256</id>
	<title>Re:IQ is not the same as EQ</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257013680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Low self-motivation means you give up too easy unless constantly rewarded</p></div><p>or that there are too many stupid people with too much power/authority in the way for you to get the job done the way they want (do they even know what they want?).</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Lack of self-control means you constantly get side-tracked with other "interesting things" not directly related to solving the main problem</p></div><p>beats getting tracked into the same rut the rest of those 'high EQs' are in.. you know the one that prevents them from solving the problem they asked me to solve?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Difficulty with relating with others means that you will either never be assigned the big problems to solve in the first place or will have trouble communicating the solution at the end. Also if the problem is not fully and clearly defined up-front (like the vast majority of real-world problems) you will have trouble with getting more information from others</p></div><p>'difficulty relating to others' has proven to be an euphemism for others' lack of understanding of the problem they want me to solve. In effect it means 'be nice to the idiots, ' or 'don't give them what I think they meant, give them exactly whta they asked for, and take the blame when it doesn't solve the problem.'</p><p>Communication is at least a two-way street. Since they want MY expertise, it's THEIR job to ensure I understand their problem correctly instead of resorting to 'extravert' 'common sense' to fill in the gaps.  This is akin to going to the doctor's office. He can't help you if you can't describe your illness beyond 'I feel sick.' Sure, he can run a bunch of random tests for common ailments to see if he gets hits, but that is woefully inefficient and expensive.  It's the high IQer's job to solve the problem. it's the high EQer's job to describe/define it succinctly.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Low self-motivation means you give up too easy unless constantly rewardedor that there are too many stupid people with too much power/authority in the way for you to get the job done the way they want ( do they even know what they want ?
) .Lack of self-control means you constantly get side-tracked with other " interesting things " not directly related to solving the main problembeats getting tracked into the same rut the rest of those 'high EQs ' are in.. you know the one that prevents them from solving the problem they asked me to solve ? Difficulty with relating with others means that you will either never be assigned the big problems to solve in the first place or will have trouble communicating the solution at the end .
Also if the problem is not fully and clearly defined up-front ( like the vast majority of real-world problems ) you will have trouble with getting more information from others'difficulty relating to others ' has proven to be an euphemism for others ' lack of understanding of the problem they want me to solve .
In effect it means 'be nice to the idiots , ' or 'do n't give them what I think they meant , give them exactly whta they asked for , and take the blame when it does n't solve the problem .
'Communication is at least a two-way street .
Since they want MY expertise , it 's THEIR job to ensure I understand their problem correctly instead of resorting to 'extravert ' 'common sense ' to fill in the gaps .
This is akin to going to the doctor 's office .
He ca n't help you if you ca n't describe your illness beyond 'I feel sick .
' Sure , he can run a bunch of random tests for common ailments to see if he gets hits , but that is woefully inefficient and expensive .
It 's the high IQer 's job to solve the problem .
it 's the high EQer 's job to describe/define it succinctly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Low self-motivation means you give up too easy unless constantly rewardedor that there are too many stupid people with too much power/authority in the way for you to get the job done the way they want (do they even know what they want?
).Lack of self-control means you constantly get side-tracked with other "interesting things" not directly related to solving the main problembeats getting tracked into the same rut the rest of those 'high EQs' are in.. you know the one that prevents them from solving the problem they asked me to solve?Difficulty with relating with others means that you will either never be assigned the big problems to solve in the first place or will have trouble communicating the solution at the end.
Also if the problem is not fully and clearly defined up-front (like the vast majority of real-world problems) you will have trouble with getting more information from others'difficulty relating to others' has proven to be an euphemism for others' lack of understanding of the problem they want me to solve.
In effect it means 'be nice to the idiots, ' or 'don't give them what I think they meant, give them exactly whta they asked for, and take the blame when it doesn't solve the problem.
'Communication is at least a two-way street.
Since they want MY expertise, it's THEIR job to ensure I understand their problem correctly instead of resorting to 'extravert' 'common sense' to fill in the gaps.
This is akin to going to the doctor's office.
He can't help you if you can't describe your illness beyond 'I feel sick.
' Sure, he can run a bunch of random tests for common ailments to see if he gets hits, but that is woefully inefficient and expensive.
It's the high IQer's job to solve the problem.
it's the high EQer's job to describe/define it succinctly.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981232</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257014220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mensa and testing agencies have been making it clear for a couple decades now that IQ only measures your ability to take tests.</p></div><p>I'm not entirely sure I agree with that.  When I was a kid (10, 11 maybe) I took a MENSA "entrance" exam and was subsequently accepted in with an IQ score that was almost off-the-charts.  But I do NOT do well at most tests.  I sucked at remembering stuff for undergrad/grad finals and consequently got bad grades in those classes while getting all A's in "practical" classes.  The MENSA tests are easy for me because I don't have to remember 'facts' -- I just look for the patterns, do the math, etc, which is usually incredibly simple for me.  I do agree with your second point though -- a high IQ means very different things for different people.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mensa and testing agencies have been making it clear for a couple decades now that IQ only measures your ability to take tests.I 'm not entirely sure I agree with that .
When I was a kid ( 10 , 11 maybe ) I took a MENSA " entrance " exam and was subsequently accepted in with an IQ score that was almost off-the-charts .
But I do NOT do well at most tests .
I sucked at remembering stuff for undergrad/grad finals and consequently got bad grades in those classes while getting all A 's in " practical " classes .
The MENSA tests are easy for me because I do n't have to remember 'facts ' -- I just look for the patterns , do the math , etc , which is usually incredibly simple for me .
I do agree with your second point though -- a high IQ means very different things for different people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mensa and testing agencies have been making it clear for a couple decades now that IQ only measures your ability to take tests.I'm not entirely sure I agree with that.
When I was a kid (10, 11 maybe) I took a MENSA "entrance" exam and was subsequently accepted in with an IQ score that was almost off-the-charts.
But I do NOT do well at most tests.
I sucked at remembering stuff for undergrad/grad finals and consequently got bad grades in those classes while getting all A's in "practical" classes.
The MENSA tests are easy for me because I don't have to remember 'facts' -- I just look for the patterns, do the math, etc, which is usually incredibly simple for me.
I do agree with your second point though -- a high IQ means very different things for different people.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983168</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257019620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As a member of mensa with a rather high IQ (160 on the cattel 3B)</p></div><p>You misspelled "cattell".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a member of mensa with a rather high IQ ( 160 on the cattel 3B ) You misspelled " cattell " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a member of mensa with a rather high IQ (160 on the cattel 3B)You misspelled "cattell".
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29991954</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257453420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As a member of mensa with a rather high IQ (160 on the cattel 3B), I know that my IQ is in at least the top percentile. However, my organisational skills are atrocious, and while I can remember something well short-term, I tend to forget things long-term. This led to my nearly dropping out of university because while I can write a decent essay, I often forgot to do so. Once I understand a mathematical concept I can do it well, but I tend to forget formulae, so I only got a middle-of-the-road grade in maths.</p><p>A high IQ means very little, and I'm not saying that because of jealousy; I'd rather be well-organised and "only" average in the more abstract ways of measuring ability.</p></div><p>I had (and still have) the same problems when I was in school. I had a high IQ score (steadily dropping now) , but I have difficulties with organization and other higher level "executive" skills.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a member of mensa with a rather high IQ ( 160 on the cattel 3B ) , I know that my IQ is in at least the top percentile .
However , my organisational skills are atrocious , and while I can remember something well short-term , I tend to forget things long-term .
This led to my nearly dropping out of university because while I can write a decent essay , I often forgot to do so .
Once I understand a mathematical concept I can do it well , but I tend to forget formulae , so I only got a middle-of-the-road grade in maths.A high IQ means very little , and I 'm not saying that because of jealousy ; I 'd rather be well-organised and " only " average in the more abstract ways of measuring ability.I had ( and still have ) the same problems when I was in school .
I had a high IQ score ( steadily dropping now ) , but I have difficulties with organization and other higher level " executive " skills .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a member of mensa with a rather high IQ (160 on the cattel 3B), I know that my IQ is in at least the top percentile.
However, my organisational skills are atrocious, and while I can remember something well short-term, I tend to forget things long-term.
This led to my nearly dropping out of university because while I can write a decent essay, I often forgot to do so.
Once I understand a mathematical concept I can do it well, but I tend to forget formulae, so I only got a middle-of-the-road grade in maths.A high IQ means very little, and I'm not saying that because of jealousy; I'd rather be well-organised and "only" average in the more abstract ways of measuring ability.I had (and still have) the same problems when I was in school.
I had a high IQ score (steadily dropping now) , but I have difficulties with organization and other higher level "executive" skills.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982234</id>
	<title>Re:IQ is not the same as EQ</title>
	<author>AntEater</author>
	<datestamp>1257017040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Lack of self-control means you constantly get side-tracked with other "interesting things" not directly related to solving the main problem</p></div><p>Congratulations, you've just explained the core reason why Slashdot continues to exist.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lack of self-control means you constantly get side-tracked with other " interesting things " not directly related to solving the main problemCongratulations , you 've just explained the core reason why Slashdot continues to exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lack of self-control means you constantly get side-tracked with other "interesting things" not directly related to solving the main problemCongratulations, you've just explained the core reason why Slashdot continues to exist.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29990624</id>
	<title>Re:This is news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257008220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2 girlfriends?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2 girlfriends ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2 girlfriends?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29982632</id>
	<title>Re:I say this with some knowledge on the matter</title>
	<author>Vahokif</author>
	<datestamp>1257018120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What do you get out of mensa?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What do you get out of mensa ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do you get out of mensa?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29987506</id>
	<title>Re:Smartest people I know are morons in some thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256990460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's odd. I microwave food with forks and other such metals in it all the time. My microwave is about 5 years old, and the last one before that was replaced because the door broke. Unless the forks he was using were badly designed (the tines were spaced too closely together so sparks occur, which can feedback and damage the magnetron), I would say that he either had crappy microwaves or was putting other stuff in it such as aluminium foil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's odd .
I microwave food with forks and other such metals in it all the time .
My microwave is about 5 years old , and the last one before that was replaced because the door broke .
Unless the forks he was using were badly designed ( the tines were spaced too closely together so sparks occur , which can feedback and damage the magnetron ) , I would say that he either had crappy microwaves or was putting other stuff in it such as aluminium foil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's odd.
I microwave food with forks and other such metals in it all the time.
My microwave is about 5 years old, and the last one before that was replaced because the door broke.
Unless the forks he was using were badly designed (the tines were spaced too closely together so sparks occur, which can feedback and damage the magnetron), I would say that he either had crappy microwaves or was putting other stuff in it such as aluminium foil.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29981348</id>
	<title>Re:INT vs WIS</title>
	<author>devnullkac</author>
	<datestamp>1257014460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suspect you might only know that if you had a high Wisdom score...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect you might only know that if you had a high Wisdom score.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect you might only know that if you had a high Wisdom score...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_178252.29983436</id>
	<title>Re:It reminds me of the old saying</title>
	<author>Red Flayer</author>
	<datestamp>1257020280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Common sense is just reason applied to every day life.</p></div></blockquote><p>It's much more than that, IMO.  All the logical ability in the world won't help you if you have incomplete inputs into your decision-making process.<br> <br>Common sense, to me, is the ability to accurately project likely outcomes of various choices, and then to make the optimal choice based on the expected values of the choices.<br> <br>Lack of common sense can arise from poor outcome projection, poor valuation of the results, or failure to consider other options.  IMO, it's the last one that is hardest to overcome.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Common sense is just reason applied to every day life.It 's much more than that , IMO .
All the logical ability in the world wo n't help you if you have incomplete inputs into your decision-making process .
Common sense , to me , is the ability to accurately project likely outcomes of various choices , and then to make the optimal choice based on the expected values of the choices .
Lack of common sense can arise from poor outcome projection , poor valuation of the results , or failure to consider other options .
IMO , it 's the last one that is hardest to overcome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Common sense is just reason applied to every day life.It's much more than that, IMO.
All the logical ability in the world won't help you if you have incomplete inputs into your decision-making process.
Common sense, to me, is the ability to accurately project likely outcomes of various choices, and then to make the optimal choice based on the expected values of the choices.
Lack of common sense can arise from poor outcome projection, poor valuation of the results, or failure to consider other options.
IMO, it's the last one that is hardest to overcome.
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