<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_11_04_0226218</id>
	<title>Firefox Passes IE6 In Browser Share</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1257328320000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Jared sends word of Ars Technica coverage of Net Applications' monthly browser share numbers. What's significant this time is that <a href="http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/11/october-2009-browser-stats-firefox-finally-passes-ie6.ars">Firefox has finally passed IE6</a> in worldwide share. <i>"Internet Explorer remains ahead of the rest of the competition, but since month after month it continues to lose ground to all other browsers, Firefox has now finally surpassed IE6, which is easily the most hated version of Microsoft's browser. ... In October, all browsers except for IE and Opera showed positive growth. Between October and September, Internet Explorer dropped a significant 1.07 percentage points (from 65.71 percent to 64.64 percent) and Firefox moved up a sizeable 0.32 percentage points (from 23.75 percent to 24.07 percent). ... Although IE's decline seems to be unceasing, the real shame is that the old versions have more share than the newer ones (we can only hope that as Windows 7 gains popularity, this trend will reverse)."</i> Ars presents a graph with their own site's browser share picture, and as you might expect it's very different from the general population's.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Jared sends word of Ars Technica coverage of Net Applications ' monthly browser share numbers .
What 's significant this time is that Firefox has finally passed IE6 in worldwide share .
" Internet Explorer remains ahead of the rest of the competition , but since month after month it continues to lose ground to all other browsers , Firefox has now finally surpassed IE6 , which is easily the most hated version of Microsoft 's browser .
... In October , all browsers except for IE and Opera showed positive growth .
Between October and September , Internet Explorer dropped a significant 1.07 percentage points ( from 65.71 percent to 64.64 percent ) and Firefox moved up a sizeable 0.32 percentage points ( from 23.75 percent to 24.07 percent ) .
... Although IE 's decline seems to be unceasing , the real shame is that the old versions have more share than the newer ones ( we can only hope that as Windows 7 gains popularity , this trend will reverse ) .
" Ars presents a graph with their own site 's browser share picture , and as you might expect it 's very different from the general population 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jared sends word of Ars Technica coverage of Net Applications' monthly browser share numbers.
What's significant this time is that Firefox has finally passed IE6 in worldwide share.
"Internet Explorer remains ahead of the rest of the competition, but since month after month it continues to lose ground to all other browsers, Firefox has now finally surpassed IE6, which is easily the most hated version of Microsoft's browser.
... In October, all browsers except for IE and Opera showed positive growth.
Between October and September, Internet Explorer dropped a significant 1.07 percentage points (from 65.71 percent to 64.64 percent) and Firefox moved up a sizeable 0.32 percentage points (from 23.75 percent to 24.07 percent).
... Although IE's decline seems to be unceasing, the real shame is that the old versions have more share than the newer ones (we can only hope that as Windows 7 gains popularity, this trend will reverse).
" Ars presents a graph with their own site's browser share picture, and as you might expect it's very different from the general population's.</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976824</id>
	<title>OMG REALLY?!?!?</title>
	<author>MacGyver2210</author>
	<datestamp>1256998140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, really? You mean people prefer functional efficient browsing with modular add-ons rather than the buggy built-in half-mandated browser that hasn't really changed much in 10 years?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , really ?
You mean people prefer functional efficient browsing with modular add-ons rather than the buggy built-in half-mandated browser that has n't really changed much in 10 years ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, really?
You mean people prefer functional efficient browsing with modular add-ons rather than the buggy built-in half-mandated browser that hasn't really changed much in 10 years?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977266</id>
	<title>Re:Problems are still corporate users and non-tech</title>
	<author>drinking12many</author>
	<datestamp>1257000660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed. I would love to migrate our 10,000 machines to IE8 but we have several apps that they have no plans on upgrading to support it. Its now part of our Windows 7 project plan that they have to be updated or tough because we cant go back to 6. Its the only way it will ever happen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
I would love to migrate our 10,000 machines to IE8 but we have several apps that they have no plans on upgrading to support it .
Its now part of our Windows 7 project plan that they have to be updated or tough because we cant go back to 6 .
Its the only way it will ever happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
I would love to migrate our 10,000 machines to IE8 but we have several apps that they have no plans on upgrading to support it.
Its now part of our Windows 7 project plan that they have to be updated or tough because we cant go back to 6.
Its the only way it will ever happen.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976030</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29981024</id>
	<title>Re:The numbers</title>
	<author>careysub</author>
	<datestamp>1257013560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What's most interesting about IE's market share is that version 6 (this oldest one indeed) is actually the most used version of Internet Explorer. Both version 7 (released 3 years ago) and version 8 (released about half a year ago) have not caught on enough to overtake IE6's position as the number one browser out there in sheer market share.</p><p>These figures are unlike all other browsers, where the more recent versions have way more market share than the older ones....</p></div><p>I wonder to what extent this is due to Microsoft's own barriers to IE upgrade - the requirement that the XP user (the large majority of all Windows users) install the so-called "Genuine Advantage" piracy trolling program, and pass its certification of your OS configuration before permitting IE8 download. Those of us who own XP licenses, but find Microsoft's intrusive attempt to control my own installation unacceptable and thus refuse to install the GA spyware, thus cannot get this update. And reportedly something like 22\% of all <b>legitimate</b> XP users fail validation once GA is installed, and also can't get the update.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's most interesting about IE 's market share is that version 6 ( this oldest one indeed ) is actually the most used version of Internet Explorer .
Both version 7 ( released 3 years ago ) and version 8 ( released about half a year ago ) have not caught on enough to overtake IE6 's position as the number one browser out there in sheer market share.These figures are unlike all other browsers , where the more recent versions have way more market share than the older ones....I wonder to what extent this is due to Microsoft 's own barriers to IE upgrade - the requirement that the XP user ( the large majority of all Windows users ) install the so-called " Genuine Advantage " piracy trolling program , and pass its certification of your OS configuration before permitting IE8 download .
Those of us who own XP licenses , but find Microsoft 's intrusive attempt to control my own installation unacceptable and thus refuse to install the GA spyware , thus can not get this update .
And reportedly something like 22 \ % of all legitimate XP users fail validation once GA is installed , and also ca n't get the update .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's most interesting about IE's market share is that version 6 (this oldest one indeed) is actually the most used version of Internet Explorer.
Both version 7 (released 3 years ago) and version 8 (released about half a year ago) have not caught on enough to overtake IE6's position as the number one browser out there in sheer market share.These figures are unlike all other browsers, where the more recent versions have way more market share than the older ones....I wonder to what extent this is due to Microsoft's own barriers to IE upgrade - the requirement that the XP user (the large majority of all Windows users) install the so-called "Genuine Advantage" piracy trolling program, and pass its certification of your OS configuration before permitting IE8 download.
Those of us who own XP licenses, but find Microsoft's intrusive attempt to control my own installation unacceptable and thus refuse to install the GA spyware, thus cannot get this update.
And reportedly something like 22\% of all legitimate XP users fail validation once GA is installed, and also can't get the update.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976066</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29980466</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting Results</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1257011700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I find it strange that Chrome is not as popular as Safari among the technical people whereas in the general stats they are almost neck-and-neck although less popular overall.</p></div><p>The technical people segment of the market is heavily skewed towards OS X and Linux compared to the general population. Just look around at Defcon or Blackhat and count the number of Mac laptops. It's probably five times the number in use by the general population. On OS X, Safari is pretty good (while it is not so good on Windows). On OS X, Chrome is only a dev version and you can't even get it from Google's main site. It's also still buggy. Also, many people who are Safari users don't see the need to move to Chrome, since most of the advantages are already in Safari. So pretty much all of the people that would be running Chrome are running Safari. That's probably enough to skew the statistics for technical sites.</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...but now the population is fragmented web sites have to designed with proper standards in mind.</p></div><p>Yeah, too bad Web standards are still considered in terms of which one can't be used at all since the site still has to work with IE. The Web is basically restricted to the subset of Web standards that can be implemented for standards compliant browsers and where there is an alternative method of implementing the same thing for IE with javascript switches. Maybe the Chrome plug-in for IE will help the situation of the crippled Web.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it strange that Chrome is not as popular as Safari among the technical people whereas in the general stats they are almost neck-and-neck although less popular overall.The technical people segment of the market is heavily skewed towards OS X and Linux compared to the general population .
Just look around at Defcon or Blackhat and count the number of Mac laptops .
It 's probably five times the number in use by the general population .
On OS X , Safari is pretty good ( while it is not so good on Windows ) .
On OS X , Chrome is only a dev version and you ca n't even get it from Google 's main site .
It 's also still buggy .
Also , many people who are Safari users do n't see the need to move to Chrome , since most of the advantages are already in Safari .
So pretty much all of the people that would be running Chrome are running Safari .
That 's probably enough to skew the statistics for technical sites .
...but now the population is fragmented web sites have to designed with proper standards in mind.Yeah , too bad Web standards are still considered in terms of which one ca n't be used at all since the site still has to work with IE .
The Web is basically restricted to the subset of Web standards that can be implemented for standards compliant browsers and where there is an alternative method of implementing the same thing for IE with javascript switches .
Maybe the Chrome plug-in for IE will help the situation of the crippled Web .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it strange that Chrome is not as popular as Safari among the technical people whereas in the general stats they are almost neck-and-neck although less popular overall.The technical people segment of the market is heavily skewed towards OS X and Linux compared to the general population.
Just look around at Defcon or Blackhat and count the number of Mac laptops.
It's probably five times the number in use by the general population.
On OS X, Safari is pretty good (while it is not so good on Windows).
On OS X, Chrome is only a dev version and you can't even get it from Google's main site.
It's also still buggy.
Also, many people who are Safari users don't see the need to move to Chrome, since most of the advantages are already in Safari.
So pretty much all of the people that would be running Chrome are running Safari.
That's probably enough to skew the statistics for technical sites.
...but now the population is fragmented web sites have to designed with proper standards in mind.Yeah, too bad Web standards are still considered in terms of which one can't be used at all since the site still has to work with IE.
The Web is basically restricted to the subset of Web standards that can be implemented for standards compliant browsers and where there is an alternative method of implementing the same thing for IE with javascript switches.
Maybe the Chrome plug-in for IE will help the situation of the crippled Web.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975854</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29980050</id>
	<title>IE6 is faster... ;)</title>
	<author>prcko</author>
	<datestamp>1257010500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>More proper title would be: IE6 passes Firefox in Browser Share... I think that IE6 is moving down faster then Firefox is moving up...</htmltext>
<tokenext>More proper title would be : IE6 passes Firefox in Browser Share... I think that IE6 is moving down faster then Firefox is moving up.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More proper title would be: IE6 passes Firefox in Browser Share... I think that IE6 is moving down faster then Firefox is moving up...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978376</id>
	<title>Sigh... I hate statistics.</title>
	<author>SpectreBlofeld</author>
	<datestamp>1257005220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Statistics where percentages are concerned are of little value in many situations - a growing market is one of them.</p><p>100 people use computers, of these 95 use IE, 4 use Firefox and 1 uses Opera. therefore IE = 95\% market share, Firefox 4\% and Opera 1\%</p><p>Now 105 people use computers, of these 96 use IE, 7 use Firefox, 2 use Opera. Now IE has a 91\% share, 6.66\% Firefox and 1.9\% Opera.</p><p>So market share has reduced, but the amount of users has increased, no one has to switch for this to take place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Statistics where percentages are concerned are of little value in many situations - a growing market is one of them.100 people use computers , of these 95 use IE , 4 use Firefox and 1 uses Opera .
therefore IE = 95 \ % market share , Firefox 4 \ % and Opera 1 \ % Now 105 people use computers , of these 96 use IE , 7 use Firefox , 2 use Opera .
Now IE has a 91 \ % share , 6.66 \ % Firefox and 1.9 \ % Opera.So market share has reduced , but the amount of users has increased , no one has to switch for this to take place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Statistics where percentages are concerned are of little value in many situations - a growing market is one of them.100 people use computers, of these 95 use IE, 4 use Firefox and 1 uses Opera.
therefore IE = 95\% market share, Firefox 4\% and Opera 1\%Now 105 people use computers, of these 96 use IE, 7 use Firefox, 2 use Opera.
Now IE has a 91\% share, 6.66\% Firefox and 1.9\% Opera.So market share has reduced, but the amount of users has increased, no one has to switch for this to take place.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978270</id>
	<title>Re:Win7 or Vista Remarketed...</title>
	<author>realityimpaired</author>
	<datestamp>1257004860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why oh WHY would you even want to hope for that? I think a better thing to hope for would be for Windows XP to lose popularity. Hell, I'd rather see people transition to... *shudder* a mac over Vista Remarketed.</p></div></blockquote><p>Because, idealism aside, it's unrealistic to expect either Mac or Linux to gain a dominant market share as long as the games market targets Windows specifically. Anything *else* can work just fine on either platform, but when your 14-year old son insists that you buy Windows because Random\_game\_63 doesn't run on anything else, and he *has* to have it because it's the latest and greatest and all his friends are using it and he'd be a pariah if he couldn't play it and you wouldn't want that would you?</p><p>And have you actually looked at the changes to the way things are done in Windows 7? It's definitely not "Vista Rebranded". It is a *huge* improvement, both in performance and security, over both XP and Vista. If you *have* to have Windows, then go with Windows 7.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why oh WHY would you even want to hope for that ?
I think a better thing to hope for would be for Windows XP to lose popularity .
Hell , I 'd rather see people transition to... * shudder * a mac over Vista Remarketed.Because , idealism aside , it 's unrealistic to expect either Mac or Linux to gain a dominant market share as long as the games market targets Windows specifically .
Anything * else * can work just fine on either platform , but when your 14-year old son insists that you buy Windows because Random \ _game \ _63 does n't run on anything else , and he * has * to have it because it 's the latest and greatest and all his friends are using it and he 'd be a pariah if he could n't play it and you would n't want that would you ? And have you actually looked at the changes to the way things are done in Windows 7 ?
It 's definitely not " Vista Rebranded " .
It is a * huge * improvement , both in performance and security , over both XP and Vista .
If you * have * to have Windows , then go with Windows 7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why oh WHY would you even want to hope for that?
I think a better thing to hope for would be for Windows XP to lose popularity.
Hell, I'd rather see people transition to... *shudder* a mac over Vista Remarketed.Because, idealism aside, it's unrealistic to expect either Mac or Linux to gain a dominant market share as long as the games market targets Windows specifically.
Anything *else* can work just fine on either platform, but when your 14-year old son insists that you buy Windows because Random\_game\_63 doesn't run on anything else, and he *has* to have it because it's the latest and greatest and all his friends are using it and he'd be a pariah if he couldn't play it and you wouldn't want that would you?And have you actually looked at the changes to the way things are done in Windows 7?
It's definitely not "Vista Rebranded".
It is a *huge* improvement, both in performance and security, over both XP and Vista.
If you *have* to have Windows, then go with Windows 7.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976238</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976290</id>
	<title>netbooks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256992860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too bad Firefox is too slow and bloated to use on a netbook. I had to switch to IE for netbook use. Firefox is slow as hell and then it will freeze or crash if you try to do anything demanding like watch youtube or visit google finance. Then when you restart it the thing that says "Oops! Looks like Firefox crashed!" made it freeze up! Useless! I used to believe the hype and think Firefox was better than IE now I see it's bloated crap and IE is the one that's actually fast and light.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad Firefox is too slow and bloated to use on a netbook .
I had to switch to IE for netbook use .
Firefox is slow as hell and then it will freeze or crash if you try to do anything demanding like watch youtube or visit google finance .
Then when you restart it the thing that says " Oops !
Looks like Firefox crashed !
" made it freeze up !
Useless ! I used to believe the hype and think Firefox was better than IE now I see it 's bloated crap and IE is the one that 's actually fast and light .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad Firefox is too slow and bloated to use on a netbook.
I had to switch to IE for netbook use.
Firefox is slow as hell and then it will freeze or crash if you try to do anything demanding like watch youtube or visit google finance.
Then when you restart it the thing that says "Oops!
Looks like Firefox crashed!
" made it freeze up!
Useless! I used to believe the hype and think Firefox was better than IE now I see it's bloated crap and IE is the one that's actually fast and light.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975854</id>
	<title>Interesting Results</title>
	<author>AndrewStephens</author>
	<datestamp>1256988060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Ars Technica stats broadly mirrors my own humble blog, I would guess that the techie crowd breaks down 5::2::2::1 Firefox::Safari::IE::Chrome across the board. If this assumption is true, I find it strange that Chrome is not as popular as Safari among the technical people whereas in the general stats they are almost neck-and-neck although less popular overall.</p><p>Personally I think that having 4 browsers with significant share (or 6 if you count IE6 and IE7 as separate, incompatible browsers) is very healthy. For a while it looked like it was going to be IE6 stamping on the face of the web forever, but now the population is fragmented web sites have to designed with proper standards in mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Ars Technica stats broadly mirrors my own humble blog , I would guess that the techie crowd breaks down 5 : : 2 : : 2 : : 1 Firefox : : Safari : : IE : : Chrome across the board .
If this assumption is true , I find it strange that Chrome is not as popular as Safari among the technical people whereas in the general stats they are almost neck-and-neck although less popular overall.Personally I think that having 4 browsers with significant share ( or 6 if you count IE6 and IE7 as separate , incompatible browsers ) is very healthy .
For a while it looked like it was going to be IE6 stamping on the face of the web forever , but now the population is fragmented web sites have to designed with proper standards in mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Ars Technica stats broadly mirrors my own humble blog, I would guess that the techie crowd breaks down 5::2::2::1 Firefox::Safari::IE::Chrome across the board.
If this assumption is true, I find it strange that Chrome is not as popular as Safari among the technical people whereas in the general stats they are almost neck-and-neck although less popular overall.Personally I think that having 4 browsers with significant share (or 6 if you count IE6 and IE7 as separate, incompatible browsers) is very healthy.
For a while it looked like it was going to be IE6 stamping on the face of the web forever, but now the population is fragmented web sites have to designed with proper standards in mind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976122</id>
	<title>Re:I 3 IE6.</title>
	<author>maglor\_83</author>
	<datestamp>1256990940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Plus, running IE6 on my machine can provide for potentially interesting conversations if it ever comes up.</p></div><p>And I thought <em>I</em> was dull.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Plus , running IE6 on my machine can provide for potentially interesting conversations if it ever comes up.And I thought I was dull .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plus, running IE6 on my machine can provide for potentially interesting conversations if it ever comes up.And I thought I was dull.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975842</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976280</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256992800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The solution is simple.  Delete the IE icon.  Replace it with a Firefox (or other browser of choice) and call it "The Internet"</p><p>The when your mum asks, say its been "upgraded" by windows updates.  Happiness all round.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The solution is simple .
Delete the IE icon .
Replace it with a Firefox ( or other browser of choice ) and call it " The Internet " The when your mum asks , say its been " upgraded " by windows updates .
Happiness all round .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The solution is simple.
Delete the IE icon.
Replace it with a Firefox (or other browser of choice) and call it "The Internet"The when your mum asks, say its been "upgraded" by windows updates.
Happiness all round.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975746</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29984564</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256980560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Analogy needed to help people understand: Firefox is a new car for the Information Highway; same road, new car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Analogy needed to help people understand : Firefox is a new car for the Information Highway ; same road , new car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Analogy needed to help people understand: Firefox is a new car for the Information Highway; same road, new car.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975746</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977734</id>
	<title>Wow IE6?</title>
	<author>Chicken04GTO</author>
	<datestamp>1257002760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>GG Firefox.  IE8 has been out for a while.  IE6 - Really?  Playing games with statistics, are you guys politicians or what?</htmltext>
<tokenext>GG Firefox .
IE8 has been out for a while .
IE6 - Really ?
Playing games with statistics , are you guys politicians or what ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GG Firefox.
IE8 has been out for a while.
IE6 - Really?
Playing games with statistics, are you guys politicians or what?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977238</id>
	<title>ie6 == quirky</title>
	<author>JoeCommodore</author>
	<datestamp>1257000540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because IE6 is a thorn in the side to most web developers; there are css/html standards and then there are IE6 adjustments.  And most books put in a statement like "while IE6 is not compliant it is a dominant browser, so futz up your code to support it."</p><p>Having IE6 being the minority lets the developers un-hobble thier HTML/CSS and improve the design and usability of the sites.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because IE6 is a thorn in the side to most web developers ; there are css/html standards and then there are IE6 adjustments .
And most books put in a statement like " while IE6 is not compliant it is a dominant browser , so futz up your code to support it .
" Having IE6 being the minority lets the developers un-hobble thier HTML/CSS and improve the design and usability of the sites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because IE6 is a thorn in the side to most web developers; there are css/html standards and then there are IE6 adjustments.
And most books put in a statement like "while IE6 is not compliant it is a dominant browser, so futz up your code to support it.
"Having IE6 being the minority lets the developers un-hobble thier HTML/CSS and improve the design and usability of the sites.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977802</id>
	<title>Re:Why does anyone care?</title>
	<author>StayFrosty</author>
	<datestamp>1257003000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>IE7 has been in the wild for at least 6 months, perhaps a year (I don't use it so I don't know exactly) so of course IE6 market share is going to be dropping. From what I can tell more and more people are migrating to IE7 and it's a reasonably decent browser now.</p></div><p>IE 7 has been out for 3 years now.  IE 8 has been around for about 6 months.  If what you say is really the case, you would think that IE6's market share would have dropped a long time ago.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is anyone comparing anything, be it Mozilla, Firefox, Opera, or anything else, to IE6 now?</p></div><p>Because it is still the dominant version of IE even though there are 2 newer versions.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>IE7 has been in the wild for at least 6 months , perhaps a year ( I do n't use it so I do n't know exactly ) so of course IE6 market share is going to be dropping .
From what I can tell more and more people are migrating to IE7 and it 's a reasonably decent browser now.IE 7 has been out for 3 years now .
IE 8 has been around for about 6 months .
If what you say is really the case , you would think that IE6 's market share would have dropped a long time ago.Why is anyone comparing anything , be it Mozilla , Firefox , Opera , or anything else , to IE6 now ? Because it is still the dominant version of IE even though there are 2 newer versions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IE7 has been in the wild for at least 6 months, perhaps a year (I don't use it so I don't know exactly) so of course IE6 market share is going to be dropping.
From what I can tell more and more people are migrating to IE7 and it's a reasonably decent browser now.IE 7 has been out for 3 years now.
IE 8 has been around for about 6 months.
If what you say is really the case, you would think that IE6's market share would have dropped a long time ago.Why is anyone comparing anything, be it Mozilla, Firefox, Opera, or anything else, to IE6 now?Because it is still the dominant version of IE even though there are 2 newer versions.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978342</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>Yaotzin</author>
	<datestamp>1257005100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obviously there is a lack of car analogies in the communication between you and your parents. Try telling them that the internet is like a road and browsers are like cars. All cars (browsers) can use the road (internet), but some are faster (Opera), some have better handling (Firefox?), and some browsers are like a '93 Ford Taurus with rust for an engine (IE6).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously there is a lack of car analogies in the communication between you and your parents .
Try telling them that the internet is like a road and browsers are like cars .
All cars ( browsers ) can use the road ( internet ) , but some are faster ( Opera ) , some have better handling ( Firefox ?
) , and some browsers are like a '93 Ford Taurus with rust for an engine ( IE6 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously there is a lack of car analogies in the communication between you and your parents.
Try telling them that the internet is like a road and browsers are like cars.
All cars (browsers) can use the road (internet), but some are faster (Opera), some have better handling (Firefox?
), and some browsers are like a '93 Ford Taurus with rust for an engine (IE6).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975746</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29980864</id>
	<title>Re:Problems are still corporate users and non-tech</title>
	<author>TropicalCoder</author>
	<datestamp>1257013140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Many, many home users don't know what a browser is or don't realise that there are alternatives<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Gradual adoption of Windows 7 will certainly help in the second case.</p></div></blockquote><p>Gradual adoption of Windows 7 will help people learn what a browser is or that there are alternatives?<nobr> <wbr></nobr><b>...and this faulty reasoning is somehow "insightful"?</b> </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many , many home users do n't know what a browser is or do n't realise that there are alternatives ... Gradual adoption of Windows 7 will certainly help in the second case.Gradual adoption of Windows 7 will help people learn what a browser is or that there are alternatives ?
...and this faulty reasoning is somehow " insightful " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many, many home users don't know what a browser is or don't realise that there are alternatives ... Gradual adoption of Windows 7 will certainly help in the second case.Gradual adoption of Windows 7 will help people learn what a browser is or that there are alternatives?
...and this faulty reasoning is somehow "insightful"? 
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975974</id>
	<title>In other news ...</title>
	<author>wye43</author>
	<datestamp>1256989380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Firefox also passed IE5, and IE4<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Firefox also passed IE5 , and IE4 .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firefox also passed IE5, and IE4 ...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976724</id>
	<title>This tells something about Ars</title>
	<author>pmontra</author>
	<datestamp>1256997180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe we can compare how much technically savvy are the users of different sites by looking at the share of different browsers. We can compare the data of Ars with the data of <a href="http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers\_stats.asp" title="w3schools.com">w3schools</a> [w3schools.com] (monthly data since 2002).</p><p>W3S's share of Firefox is larger that all the IE's together. FF overtook IE at about the beginning of this year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe we can compare how much technically savvy are the users of different sites by looking at the share of different browsers .
We can compare the data of Ars with the data of w3schools [ w3schools.com ] ( monthly data since 2002 ) .W3S 's share of Firefox is larger that all the IE 's together .
FF overtook IE at about the beginning of this year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe we can compare how much technically savvy are the users of different sites by looking at the share of different browsers.
We can compare the data of Ars with the data of w3schools [w3schools.com] (monthly data since 2002).W3S's share of Firefox is larger that all the IE's together.
FF overtook IE at about the beginning of this year.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29994954</id>
	<title>revolution slows to a crawl.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257437220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow. It passed an 8 year old browser version? Guess the fanbois needed something to fap about!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow .
It passed an 8 year old browser version ?
Guess the fanbois needed something to fap about !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow.
It passed an 8 year old browser version?
Guess the fanbois needed something to fap about!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29981126</id>
	<title>bad comparison</title>
	<author>jdkane</author>
	<datestamp>1257013860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><em>Firefox has now finally surpassed IE6, which is easily the most hated version of Microsoft's browser.</em> <p>
That does not make Firefox look good by comparing it to a 8 year old browser that is really hated. Honestly, that fact works against Firefox IMO. It's like saying Steve Balmer's rep on Slashdot is getting better because he's surpassed Darl McBride's popularity level here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Firefox has now finally surpassed IE6 , which is easily the most hated version of Microsoft 's browser .
That does not make Firefox look good by comparing it to a 8 year old browser that is really hated .
Honestly , that fact works against Firefox IMO .
It 's like saying Steve Balmer 's rep on Slashdot is getting better because he 's surpassed Darl McBride 's popularity level here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firefox has now finally surpassed IE6, which is easily the most hated version of Microsoft's browser.
That does not make Firefox look good by comparing it to a 8 year old browser that is really hated.
Honestly, that fact works against Firefox IMO.
It's like saying Steve Balmer's rep on Slashdot is getting better because he's surpassed Darl McBride's popularity level here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977766</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting Results</title>
	<author>Bigbutt</author>
	<datestamp>1257002880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep, another choice of Firefox for adblock, noscript, and noflash. I tried Chrome once but all the ads and flash had me shut it down and bring Firefox back up. I even use Firefox on my Mac instead of Safari due to the blockers even though it causes the Mac to run a bit hotter.</p><p>[John]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , another choice of Firefox for adblock , noscript , and noflash .
I tried Chrome once but all the ads and flash had me shut it down and bring Firefox back up .
I even use Firefox on my Mac instead of Safari due to the blockers even though it causes the Mac to run a bit hotter .
[ John ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, another choice of Firefox for adblock, noscript, and noflash.
I tried Chrome once but all the ads and flash had me shut it down and bring Firefox back up.
I even use Firefox on my Mac instead of Safari due to the blockers even though it causes the Mac to run a bit hotter.
[John]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975854</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29980752</id>
	<title>Re:Wildly different at work</title>
	<author>jim\_v2000</author>
	<datestamp>1257012720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's from my blog which has a good amount of Ubuntu centric content:
<br> <br>

Internet Explorer	53\%<br>
Firefox	31\%<br>
Opera	10\%<br>
Safari	3\%</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's from my blog which has a good amount of Ubuntu centric content : Internet Explorer 53 \ % Firefox 31 \ % Opera 10 \ % Safari 3 \ %</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's from my blog which has a good amount of Ubuntu centric content:
 

Internet Explorer	53\%
Firefox	31\%
Opera	10\%
Safari	3\%</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29984260</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>SerpensV</author>
	<datestamp>1256979660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fortunately, my mother sees Firefox as "The Internet".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fortunately , my mother sees Firefox as " The Internet " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fortunately, my mother sees Firefox as "The Internet".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975746</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976266</id>
	<title>Some comparisons...</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1256992740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All users of every version of FireFox taken together use more than one old version of IE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All users of every version of FireFox taken together use more than one old version of IE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All users of every version of FireFox taken together use more than one old version of IE.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976066</id>
	<title>Re:The numbers</title>
	<author>dingen</author>
	<datestamp>1256990340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's most interesting about IE's market share is that version 6 (this oldest one indeed) is actually the most used version of Internet Explorer. Both version 7 (released 3 years ago) and version 8 (released about half a year ago) have not caught on enough to overtake IE6's position as the number one browser out there in sheer market share.</p><p>These figures are unlike all other browsers, where the more recent versions have way more market share than the older ones. The usage of Firefox 1 and 2 for example is virtually nothing, while 3.5 is the most popular version. So "all versions of Firefox" actually mean "mostly Firefox 3.5, a bit Firefox 3 and really nothing else", while "all of Internet Explorer" means "Mostly IE6, some IE7 and some IE8".</p><p>You are absolutely right that all versions combined, IE is still very dominant, but IE-users are way less inclined to upgrade to more recent versions. Just like Windows XP is still the most popular version of Windows. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing with Microsoft Office. Microsoft just doesn't seem to be able to sell their latest products anymore. This is why it quite significant that Firefox with it's latest product is able to have more market share than Microsoft with it's old version, because the old versions of Microsoft products are the relevant ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's most interesting about IE 's market share is that version 6 ( this oldest one indeed ) is actually the most used version of Internet Explorer .
Both version 7 ( released 3 years ago ) and version 8 ( released about half a year ago ) have not caught on enough to overtake IE6 's position as the number one browser out there in sheer market share.These figures are unlike all other browsers , where the more recent versions have way more market share than the older ones .
The usage of Firefox 1 and 2 for example is virtually nothing , while 3.5 is the most popular version .
So " all versions of Firefox " actually mean " mostly Firefox 3.5 , a bit Firefox 3 and really nothing else " , while " all of Internet Explorer " means " Mostly IE6 , some IE7 and some IE8 " .You are absolutely right that all versions combined , IE is still very dominant , but IE-users are way less inclined to upgrade to more recent versions .
Just like Windows XP is still the most popular version of Windows .
I would n't be surprised to see the same thing with Microsoft Office .
Microsoft just does n't seem to be able to sell their latest products anymore .
This is why it quite significant that Firefox with it 's latest product is able to have more market share than Microsoft with it 's old version , because the old versions of Microsoft products are the relevant ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's most interesting about IE's market share is that version 6 (this oldest one indeed) is actually the most used version of Internet Explorer.
Both version 7 (released 3 years ago) and version 8 (released about half a year ago) have not caught on enough to overtake IE6's position as the number one browser out there in sheer market share.These figures are unlike all other browsers, where the more recent versions have way more market share than the older ones.
The usage of Firefox 1 and 2 for example is virtually nothing, while 3.5 is the most popular version.
So "all versions of Firefox" actually mean "mostly Firefox 3.5, a bit Firefox 3 and really nothing else", while "all of Internet Explorer" means "Mostly IE6, some IE7 and some IE8".You are absolutely right that all versions combined, IE is still very dominant, but IE-users are way less inclined to upgrade to more recent versions.
Just like Windows XP is still the most popular version of Windows.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing with Microsoft Office.
Microsoft just doesn't seem to be able to sell their latest products anymore.
This is why it quite significant that Firefox with it's latest product is able to have more market share than Microsoft with it's old version, because the old versions of Microsoft products are the relevant ones.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975866</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977148</id>
	<title>Re:Wildly different at work</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1257000000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you one of those sites which is totally broken with anything but IE? I am joking, but in reality the visitors you get depend on what market you are targeting, or at least attracting, and whether you site works with all the browsers listed.</p><p>A few years back there were many sites that weren't usable unless you had IE. If you were using one of the other browsers then either you had to dig out IE, or move on to the next site. Happily I see this less and less.</p><p>From a web development point of view IE is a bitch, since each version breaks web specifications in different ways. The number of times I have had to implement IE specific hacks is just not funny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you one of those sites which is totally broken with anything but IE ?
I am joking , but in reality the visitors you get depend on what market you are targeting , or at least attracting , and whether you site works with all the browsers listed.A few years back there were many sites that were n't usable unless you had IE .
If you were using one of the other browsers then either you had to dig out IE , or move on to the next site .
Happily I see this less and less.From a web development point of view IE is a bitch , since each version breaks web specifications in different ways .
The number of times I have had to implement IE specific hacks is just not funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you one of those sites which is totally broken with anything but IE?
I am joking, but in reality the visitors you get depend on what market you are targeting, or at least attracting, and whether you site works with all the browsers listed.A few years back there were many sites that weren't usable unless you had IE.
If you were using one of the other browsers then either you had to dig out IE, or move on to the next site.
Happily I see this less and less.From a web development point of view IE is a bitch, since each version breaks web specifications in different ways.
The number of times I have had to implement IE specific hacks is just not funny.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976056</id>
	<title>Wildly different at work</title>
	<author>Imsdal</author>
	<datestamp>1256990280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here are the stats for the company web site for the company I work for. It's a smallish Nordic company, and it's a safe bet that 95\% of all visits are from other people at work. (I have no proof of that figure, obviously, but trust me when I say that looking at our site isn't something people do on their free time.)
</p><p>
	MS Internet Explorer   	2920837	96 \%<br>
	Unknown    	56869	1.8 \%<br>
	Wget	    	32632	1 \%<br>
	Firefox    	18582	0.6 \%<br>
	Safari    	4934	0.1 \%<br>
	Opera    	2970	0 \%<br>
	Mozilla    	2532	0 \%<br>
	LibWWW    	148	0 \%<br>
	Netscape    	92	0 \%<br>
	Nokia Browser (PDA/Phone browser)    	12	0 \%<br>
 	Others	 	7	0 \%</p><p>These figures are just incredibly different from those in TFA. Figures are page hits for the month of November, i.e. a little more than three days, but the percentages always look like this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here are the stats for the company web site for the company I work for .
It 's a smallish Nordic company , and it 's a safe bet that 95 \ % of all visits are from other people at work .
( I have no proof of that figure , obviously , but trust me when I say that looking at our site is n't something people do on their free time .
) MS Internet Explorer 2920837 96 \ % Unknown 56869 1.8 \ % Wget 32632 1 \ % Firefox 18582 0.6 \ % Safari 4934 0.1 \ % Opera 2970 0 \ % Mozilla 2532 0 \ % LibWWW 148 0 \ % Netscape 92 0 \ % Nokia Browser ( PDA/Phone browser ) 12 0 \ % Others 7 0 \ % These figures are just incredibly different from those in TFA .
Figures are page hits for the month of November , i.e .
a little more than three days , but the percentages always look like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here are the stats for the company web site for the company I work for.
It's a smallish Nordic company, and it's a safe bet that 95\% of all visits are from other people at work.
(I have no proof of that figure, obviously, but trust me when I say that looking at our site isn't something people do on their free time.
)

	MS Internet Explorer   	2920837	96 \%
	Unknown    	56869	1.8 \%
	Wget	    	32632	1 \%
	Firefox    	18582	0.6 \%
	Safari    	4934	0.1 \%
	Opera    	2970	0 \%
	Mozilla    	2532	0 \%
	LibWWW    	148	0 \%
	Netscape    	92	0 \%
	Nokia Browser (PDA/Phone browser)    	12	0 \%
 	Others	 	7	0 \%These figures are just incredibly different from those in TFA.
Figures are page hits for the month of November, i.e.
a little more than three days, but the percentages always look like this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977066</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>Jason Levine</author>
	<datestamp>1256999460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They might see Internet Explorer as "The Internet", but this is behavior that can easily be changed.  My company actually had to block Google Chrome (not a decision I agree with, mind you) because too many people were installing it (somehow without knowing what they were doing) and then reporting problems with our Intranet*.  When we asked what browser they were using, they wouldn't know but when pressed they would say "I'm using The Google Internet."  Their view of IE as "The Internet" was easily changed to Google Chrome being "The Internet" (albeit one by Google).</p><p>* As a note, I wrote our Intranet to work in all versions of IE and FireFox.  I'm unsure why it doesn't work with Google Chrome but as Chrome consists of less than 1\% of our Intranet traffic, it is not worth my time to debug it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They might see Internet Explorer as " The Internet " , but this is behavior that can easily be changed .
My company actually had to block Google Chrome ( not a decision I agree with , mind you ) because too many people were installing it ( somehow without knowing what they were doing ) and then reporting problems with our Intranet * .
When we asked what browser they were using , they would n't know but when pressed they would say " I 'm using The Google Internet .
" Their view of IE as " The Internet " was easily changed to Google Chrome being " The Internet " ( albeit one by Google ) .
* As a note , I wrote our Intranet to work in all versions of IE and FireFox .
I 'm unsure why it does n't work with Google Chrome but as Chrome consists of less than 1 \ % of our Intranet traffic , it is not worth my time to debug it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They might see Internet Explorer as "The Internet", but this is behavior that can easily be changed.
My company actually had to block Google Chrome (not a decision I agree with, mind you) because too many people were installing it (somehow without knowing what they were doing) and then reporting problems with our Intranet*.
When we asked what browser they were using, they wouldn't know but when pressed they would say "I'm using The Google Internet.
"  Their view of IE as "The Internet" was easily changed to Google Chrome being "The Internet" (albeit one by Google).
* As a note, I wrote our Intranet to work in all versions of IE and FireFox.
I'm unsure why it doesn't work with Google Chrome but as Chrome consists of less than 1\% of our Intranet traffic, it is not worth my time to debug it.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29988524</id>
	<title>What is needed</title>
	<author>dukeofurl01</author>
	<datestamp>1256995200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think, what we need is a popular website that purposefully doesn't work right in IE, only in Firefox.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think , what we need is a popular website that purposefully does n't work right in IE , only in Firefox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think, what we need is a popular website that purposefully doesn't work right in IE, only in Firefox.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975866</id>
	<title>The numbers</title>
	<author>Stan Vassilev</author>
	<datestamp>1256988180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>What they mean is, all versions of Firefox put together (2, 3, 3.5) have surpassed one version of Internet Explorer (6), the oldest one. If you look only at oldest versions, only newer versions, or all versions together, IE has a solid lead over Firefox in all three categories. I'm not sure about the significance of this, as IE6 being at over 23\% share, most sites still to support it for the foreseeable future.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What they mean is , all versions of Firefox put together ( 2 , 3 , 3.5 ) have surpassed one version of Internet Explorer ( 6 ) , the oldest one .
If you look only at oldest versions , only newer versions , or all versions together , IE has a solid lead over Firefox in all three categories .
I 'm not sure about the significance of this , as IE6 being at over 23 \ % share , most sites still to support it for the foreseeable future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What they mean is, all versions of Firefox put together (2, 3, 3.5) have surpassed one version of Internet Explorer (6), the oldest one.
If you look only at oldest versions, only newer versions, or all versions together, IE has a solid lead over Firefox in all three categories.
I'm not sure about the significance of this, as IE6 being at over 23\% share, most sites still to support it for the foreseeable future.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977160</id>
	<title>Re:Why does anyone care?</title>
	<author>biscuitlover</author>
	<datestamp>1257000120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People are making comparisons to IE6 because its market share is still relevant and affects the state of the web as a whole. For example, developments like Google Wave simply aren't possible on IE6 (at least without the somewhat controversial Chrome Frame plugin), so IE6 is hindering the adoption of new technology. Additionally, IE6's endless list of quirks cause untold lost hours of devlopment time for web developers worldwide.</p><p>Once IE6 drops down to a negligible percentage it means that many developers can free up a large part of their time to do more productive things, as they abandon support for it altogether. This would be great news not only for developers, but also for the web as a whole, which can proceed into new cutting-edge areas without being hindered by stale and outdated platforms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People are making comparisons to IE6 because its market share is still relevant and affects the state of the web as a whole .
For example , developments like Google Wave simply are n't possible on IE6 ( at least without the somewhat controversial Chrome Frame plugin ) , so IE6 is hindering the adoption of new technology .
Additionally , IE6 's endless list of quirks cause untold lost hours of devlopment time for web developers worldwide.Once IE6 drops down to a negligible percentage it means that many developers can free up a large part of their time to do more productive things , as they abandon support for it altogether .
This would be great news not only for developers , but also for the web as a whole , which can proceed into new cutting-edge areas without being hindered by stale and outdated platforms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People are making comparisons to IE6 because its market share is still relevant and affects the state of the web as a whole.
For example, developments like Google Wave simply aren't possible on IE6 (at least without the somewhat controversial Chrome Frame plugin), so IE6 is hindering the adoption of new technology.
Additionally, IE6's endless list of quirks cause untold lost hours of devlopment time for web developers worldwide.Once IE6 drops down to a negligible percentage it means that many developers can free up a large part of their time to do more productive things, as they abandon support for it altogether.
This would be great news not only for developers, but also for the web as a whole, which can proceed into new cutting-edge areas without being hindered by stale and outdated platforms.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976552</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975842</id>
	<title>I 3 IE6.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It works for most things.</p><p>I can't upgrade to IE7 without installing SP2. I've tried I think installing SP2, but it caused problems, let alone I found out some software doesn't even work with SP3. (Found out by trying to run said software on a fresh SP3 machine.)</p><p>Plus, running IE6 on my machine can provide for potentially interesting conversations if it ever comes up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It works for most things.I ca n't upgrade to IE7 without installing SP2 .
I 've tried I think installing SP2 , but it caused problems , let alone I found out some software does n't even work with SP3 .
( Found out by trying to run said software on a fresh SP3 machine .
) Plus , running IE6 on my machine can provide for potentially interesting conversations if it ever comes up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It works for most things.I can't upgrade to IE7 without installing SP2.
I've tried I think installing SP2, but it caused problems, let alone I found out some software doesn't even work with SP3.
(Found out by trying to run said software on a fresh SP3 machine.
)Plus, running IE6 on my machine can provide for potentially interesting conversations if it ever comes up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977536</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257001860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The thing is, most people see Internet Explorer as 'The Internet', in much the same way that they see Ms Windows as 'The computer'. I mean, I installed Firefox on a parents laptop, and they're first worry was that they wouldn't be able to find their favourite website 'because it was a different internet'.</p><p>People who don't grasp this concept will never see a reason to upgrade, and unfortunately, this means a silent majority of PC users probably never will.</p></div><p>lol I have been known to install firefox and change the shortcut name to IE and change the picture to IE and not tell any one.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing is , most people see Internet Explorer as 'The Internet ' , in much the same way that they see Ms Windows as 'The computer' .
I mean , I installed Firefox on a parents laptop , and they 're first worry was that they would n't be able to find their favourite website 'because it was a different internet'.People who do n't grasp this concept will never see a reason to upgrade , and unfortunately , this means a silent majority of PC users probably never will.lol I have been known to install firefox and change the shortcut name to IE and change the picture to IE and not tell any one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing is, most people see Internet Explorer as 'The Internet', in much the same way that they see Ms Windows as 'The computer'.
I mean, I installed Firefox on a parents laptop, and they're first worry was that they wouldn't be able to find their favourite website 'because it was a different internet'.People who don't grasp this concept will never see a reason to upgrade, and unfortunately, this means a silent majority of PC users probably never will.lol I have been known to install firefox and change the shortcut name to IE and change the picture to IE and not tell any one.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975746</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29982080</id>
	<title>Browser stats for Porn site</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257016740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought it might be interesting to post the stats for a large commercial porn site - 2.5million uniques/month [you'll have to take my word for it as I'm posting AC]</p><p>Here's the stats from March, and again from October:<br>\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_<br>March:<br>IE: 71\%<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7: 68\%<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6: 28\%<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8: 4\%<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5: 0.1\%<br>FF: 23\%<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3: 89\%<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2: 10\%<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1: 1\%<br>Safari: 2.5\%<br>Opera: 2\%<br>Chrome: 1.5\%</p><p>\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_<br>October:<br>IE: 68\%<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8: 42\%<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7: 40\%<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6: 18\%<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5: 0.1\%<br>FF: 25\%<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3.5: 56\%<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3: 39\%<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2: 4\%<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1: 0.5\%<br>Chrome: 3\%<br>Safari: 2.5\%<br>Opera: 1.5\%</p><p>So Chrome has mainly stolen its percentage point from Opera it seems.<br>IE8 moved from 4\% of IE to 42\%, taking equally from IE6&amp;7.<br>FF has made up 2 \% points from the IEs, and FF users are major updaters, so FF2 is already down to 4\% of all FF installs.</p><p>To make more sense of the info - we're multilingual, but our traffic is skewed heavily to English language, plus France, Germany, Brazil.<br>The site is completely cross-platform, so there's nobody staying away due to issue of non-functionality.</p><p>As far as OS goes, Mac is 2.5\%, Linux use is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.3\%, and iPhone<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.2\%</p><p>The final interesting point is that screen res - 1280x and wider is now more than 60\% of visitors [laptops for a large section I suspect].  1024x is 30\% and 800x600 is now only 4\%, and has really hit the 'why bother' percentage that ie6 is fast approaching.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought it might be interesting to post the stats for a large commercial porn site - 2.5million uniques/month [ you 'll have to take my word for it as I 'm posting AC ] Here 's the stats from March , and again from October : \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _March : IE : 71 \ %                 7 : 68 \ %                 6 : 28 \ %                 8 : 4 \ %                 5 : 0.1 \ % FF : 23 \ %                 3 : 89 \ %                 2 : 10 \ %                 1 : 1 \ % Safari : 2.5 \ % Opera : 2 \ % Chrome : 1.5 \ % \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _October : IE : 68 \ %                 8 : 42 \ %                 7 : 40 \ %                 6 : 18 \ %                 5 : 0.1 \ % FF : 25 \ %                 3.5 : 56 \ %                 3 : 39 \ %                 2 : 4 \ %                 1 : 0.5 \ % Chrome : 3 \ % Safari : 2.5 \ % Opera : 1.5 \ % So Chrome has mainly stolen its percentage point from Opera it seems.IE8 moved from 4 \ % of IE to 42 \ % , taking equally from IE6&amp;7.FF has made up 2 \ % points from the IEs , and FF users are major updaters , so FF2 is already down to 4 \ % of all FF installs.To make more sense of the info - we 're multilingual , but our traffic is skewed heavily to English language , plus France , Germany , Brazil.The site is completely cross-platform , so there 's nobody staying away due to issue of non-functionality.As far as OS goes , Mac is 2.5 \ % , Linux use is .3 \ % , and iPhone .2 \ % The final interesting point is that screen res - 1280x and wider is now more than 60 \ % of visitors [ laptops for a large section I suspect ] .
1024x is 30 \ % and 800x600 is now only 4 \ % , and has really hit the 'why bother ' percentage that ie6 is fast approaching .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought it might be interesting to post the stats for a large commercial porn site - 2.5million uniques/month [you'll have to take my word for it as I'm posting AC]Here's the stats from March, and again from October:\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_March:IE: 71\%
                7: 68\%
                6: 28\%
                8: 4\%
                5: 0.1\%FF: 23\%
                3: 89\%
                2: 10\%
                1: 1\%Safari: 2.5\%Opera: 2\%Chrome: 1.5\%\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_October:IE: 68\%
                8: 42\%
                7: 40\%
                6: 18\%
                5: 0.1\%FF: 25\%
                3.5: 56\%
                3: 39\%
                2: 4\%
                1: 0.5\%Chrome: 3\%Safari: 2.5\%Opera: 1.5\%So Chrome has mainly stolen its percentage point from Opera it seems.IE8 moved from 4\% of IE to 42\%, taking equally from IE6&amp;7.FF has made up 2 \% points from the IEs, and FF users are major updaters, so FF2 is already down to 4\% of all FF installs.To make more sense of the info - we're multilingual, but our traffic is skewed heavily to English language, plus France, Germany, Brazil.The site is completely cross-platform, so there's nobody staying away due to issue of non-functionality.As far as OS goes, Mac is 2.5\%, Linux use is .3\%, and iPhone .2\%The final interesting point is that screen res - 1280x and wider is now more than 60\% of visitors [laptops for a large section I suspect].
1024x is 30\% and 800x600 is now only 4\%, and has really hit the 'why bother' percentage that ie6 is fast approaching.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976994</id>
	<title>Bring back IE6</title>
	<author>Twinbee</author>
	<datestamp>1256999160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one am disappointed with this result, and truly hope that IE6 makes a comeback, perhaps so that W3C can adopt its idiosyncrasies. My tricks, hacks and all-round experience with the workarounds for IE6 are going to waste, and suddenly my knowledge isn't so valuable in the workplace.</p><p>IE6 creates jobs, in abundance, and even creates higher paid jobs over those web developers who are obviously less talented. It gives people something to do over these new fangled 'web browsers' that tend to simplify everything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one am disappointed with this result , and truly hope that IE6 makes a comeback , perhaps so that W3C can adopt its idiosyncrasies .
My tricks , hacks and all-round experience with the workarounds for IE6 are going to waste , and suddenly my knowledge is n't so valuable in the workplace.IE6 creates jobs , in abundance , and even creates higher paid jobs over those web developers who are obviously less talented .
It gives people something to do over these new fangled 'web browsers ' that tend to simplify everything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one am disappointed with this result, and truly hope that IE6 makes a comeback, perhaps so that W3C can adopt its idiosyncrasies.
My tricks, hacks and all-round experience with the workarounds for IE6 are going to waste, and suddenly my knowledge isn't so valuable in the workplace.IE6 creates jobs, in abundance, and even creates higher paid jobs over those web developers who are obviously less talented.
It gives people something to do over these new fangled 'web browsers' that tend to simplify everything.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978092</id>
	<title>Of course FF is gaining.</title>
	<author>kent\_eh</author>
	<datestamp>1257004140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It supports more sites, and protocold.

Like <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/11/the-web-may-have-won-but-gopher-tunnels-on.ars?utm\_source=rss&amp;utm\_medium=rss&amp;utm\_campaign=rss" title="arstechnica.com">Gopher</a> [arstechnica.com]. <br>
Let's see IE7 do that!</htmltext>
<tokenext>It supports more sites , and protocold .
Like Gopher [ arstechnica.com ] .
Let 's see IE7 do that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It supports more sites, and protocold.
Like Gopher [arstechnica.com].
Let's see IE7 do that!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975996</id>
	<title>Re:I 3 IE6.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256989560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Plus, running IE6 on my machine can provide for potentially interesting conversations if it ever comes up.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes, one of the reasons a lot of techs and webmins wanted it gone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Plus , running IE6 on my machine can provide for potentially interesting conversations if it ever comes up.Yes , one of the reasons a lot of techs and webmins wanted it gone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plus, running IE6 on my machine can provide for potentially interesting conversations if it ever comes up.Yes, one of the reasons a lot of techs and webmins wanted it gone.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975842</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978264</id>
	<title>Re:The numbers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257004800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>My office computers are stuck at IE6 because this is the version compatible with our EHR (Electronic Health Record) software.  It will be March 2010 or so before the next version is released that will move off of this.  I suspect a lot of IE6 use is on computers that cannot be upgraded for one reason or another because moving to a standards compliant IE would break something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My office computers are stuck at IE6 because this is the version compatible with our EHR ( Electronic Health Record ) software .
It will be March 2010 or so before the next version is released that will move off of this .
I suspect a lot of IE6 use is on computers that can not be upgraded for one reason or another because moving to a standards compliant IE would break something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My office computers are stuck at IE6 because this is the version compatible with our EHR (Electronic Health Record) software.
It will be March 2010 or so before the next version is released that will move off of this.
I suspect a lot of IE6 use is on computers that cannot be upgraded for one reason or another because moving to a standards compliant IE would break something.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976066</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976858</id>
	<title>Re:IE6</title>
	<author>koiransuklaa</author>
	<datestamp>1256998320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apparently your visitors are not mathematically  minded either: Sum of those figures is 103.7\% and that's without a line for "unknown"...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently your visitors are not mathematically minded either : Sum of those figures is 103.7 \ % and that 's without a line for " unknown " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently your visitors are not mathematically  minded either: Sum of those figures is 103.7\% and that's without a line for "unknown"...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976336</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29981414</id>
	<title>Re:Errr....people updating a free browser is news?</title>
	<author>aaardwark</author>
	<datestamp>1257014640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know you are joking, but there is a more relevant comparison.</p><p>Linux overtaking windows 98 has probably happend without anyone noticing it. If linux (all versions) gains a marketshare bigger then XP, you can expect it on the front page again. Tagged with "yearofthelinuxdesktop".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you are joking , but there is a more relevant comparison.Linux overtaking windows 98 has probably happend without anyone noticing it .
If linux ( all versions ) gains a marketshare bigger then XP , you can expect it on the front page again .
Tagged with " yearofthelinuxdesktop " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you are joking, but there is a more relevant comparison.Linux overtaking windows 98 has probably happend without anyone noticing it.
If linux (all versions) gains a marketshare bigger then XP, you can expect it on the front page again.
Tagged with "yearofthelinuxdesktop".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976288</id>
	<title>Does that mean... ?</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1256992860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Next we'll be seeing the revelation that Linux has overtaken Windows 98. Or something.</p></div><p>Does that mean 2008 was the year of Windows 98 on the desktop?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Next we 'll be seeing the revelation that Linux has overtaken Windows 98 .
Or something.Does that mean 2008 was the year of Windows 98 on the desktop ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next we'll be seeing the revelation that Linux has overtaken Windows 98.
Or something.Does that mean 2008 was the year of Windows 98 on the desktop?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29982674</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting Results</title>
	<author>the\_one(2)</author>
	<datestamp>1257018180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I need tree style tabs and flash block  before i consider moving to chrome. I need my browser to stay usable even with 100+ tabs damnit! Noscript is not a must but would be missed if I switched.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I need tree style tabs and flash block before i consider moving to chrome .
I need my browser to stay usable even with 100 + tabs damnit !
Noscript is not a must but would be missed if I switched .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I need tree style tabs and flash block  before i consider moving to chrome.
I need my browser to stay usable even with 100+ tabs damnit!
Noscript is not a must but would be missed if I switched.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975854</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976974</id>
	<title>Re:Wildly different at work</title>
	<author>Pikoro</author>
	<datestamp>1256999040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>HA!  Here are the stats from pspthemes.com:<br>
<br>
Top 15 of 309 Total User Agents<br>
# 	Hits 	User Agent<br>
1 	2561 	34.06\% 	Mozilla/4.0 (PSP (PlayStation Portable); 2.00)<br>
2 	149 	1.98\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091016 Firefox/3.5.4<br>
3 	131 	1.74\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.0 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/3.0.195.27 Safari/532.0<br>
4 	126 	1.68\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.15) Gecko/2009101601 Firefox/3.0.15<br>
5 	122 	1.62\% 	Mediapartners-Google<br>
6 	111 	1.48\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091016 Firefox/3.5.4 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)<br>
7 	95 	1.26\% 	Baiduspider+(+http://www.baidu.com/search/spider.htm)<br>
8 	89 	1.18\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (PLAYSTATION 3; 1.00)<br>
9 	62 	0.82\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091016 Firefox/3.5.4 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)<br>
10 	61 	0.81\% 	Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0; Trident/4.0; GTB6; SLCC1;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET CL<br>
11 	52 	0.69\% 	Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET CLR 2.0.50727;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET CLR 3.5.3072<br>
12 	52 	0.69\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.0 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/3.0.195.27 Safari/532.0<br>
13 	50 	0.67\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8) Gecko/20051111 Firefox/1.5<br>
14 	48 	0.64\% 	Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1)<br>
15 	48 	0.64\% 	Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; GTB6;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET CLR 1.1.4322;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET CLR 2.0.50727;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET CLR 3.0.045<br>
<br>
As you can clearly see, the browser built into the PSP is by far the most popular browser on the intarwebs!<br>
<br>
Second place being firefox 3.5.4</htmltext>
<tokenext>HA !
Here are the stats from pspthemes.com : Top 15 of 309 Total User Agents # Hits User Agent 1 2561 34.06 \ % Mozilla/4.0 ( PSP ( PlayStation Portable ) ; 2.00 ) 2 149 1.98 \ % Mozilla/5.0 ( Windows ; U ; Windows NT 5.1 ; en-US ; rv : 1.9.1.4 ) Gecko/20091016 Firefox/3.5.4 3 131 1.74 \ % Mozilla/5.0 ( Windows ; U ; Windows NT 5.1 ; en-US ) AppleWebKit/532.0 ( KHTML , like Gecko ) Chrome/3.0.195.27 Safari/532.0 4 126 1.68 \ % Mozilla/5.0 ( Windows ; U ; Windows NT 5.1 ; en-US ; rv : 1.9.0.15 ) Gecko/2009101601 Firefox/3.0.15 5 122 1.62 \ % Mediapartners-Google 6 111 1.48 \ % Mozilla/5.0 ( Windows ; U ; Windows NT 6.0 ; en-US ; rv : 1.9.1.4 ) Gecko/20091016 Firefox/3.5.4 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729 ) 7 95 1.26 \ % Baiduspider + ( + http : //www.baidu.com/search/spider.htm ) 8 89 1.18 \ % Mozilla/5.0 ( PLAYSTATION 3 ; 1.00 ) 9 62 0.82 \ % Mozilla/5.0 ( Windows ; U ; Windows NT 5.1 ; en-US ; rv : 1.9.1.4 ) Gecko/20091016 Firefox/3.5.4 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729 ) 10 61 0.81 \ % Mozilla/4.0 ( compatible ; MSIE 8.0 ; Windows NT 6.0 ; Trident/4.0 ; GTB6 ; SLCC1 ; .NET CLR 2.0.50727 ; Media Center PC 5.0 ; .NET CL 11 52 0.69 \ % Mozilla/4.0 ( compatible ; MSIE 8.0 ; Windows NT 5.1 ; Trident/4.0 ; .NET CLR 2.0.50727 ; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152 ; .NET CLR 3.5.3072 12 52 0.69 \ % Mozilla/5.0 ( Windows ; U ; Windows NT 6.0 ; en-US ) AppleWebKit/532.0 ( KHTML , like Gecko ) Chrome/3.0.195.27 Safari/532.0 13 50 0.67 \ % Mozilla/5.0 ( Windows ; U ; Windows NT 5.1 ; en-US ; rv : 1.8 ) Gecko/20051111 Firefox/1.5 14 48 0.64 \ % Mozilla/4.0 ( compatible ; MSIE 7.0 ; Windows NT 5.1 ) 15 48 0.64 \ % Mozilla/4.0 ( compatible ; MSIE 8.0 ; Windows NT 5.1 ; Trident/4.0 ; GTB6 ; .NET CLR 1.1.4322 ; .NET CLR 2.0.50727 ; .NET CLR 3.0.045 As you can clearly see , the browser built into the PSP is by far the most popular browser on the intarwebs !
Second place being firefox 3.5.4</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HA!
Here are the stats from pspthemes.com:

Top 15 of 309 Total User Agents
# 	Hits 	User Agent
1 	2561 	34.06\% 	Mozilla/4.0 (PSP (PlayStation Portable); 2.00)
2 	149 	1.98\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091016 Firefox/3.5.4
3 	131 	1.74\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.0 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/3.0.195.27 Safari/532.0
4 	126 	1.68\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.15) Gecko/2009101601 Firefox/3.0.15
5 	122 	1.62\% 	Mediapartners-Google
6 	111 	1.48\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091016 Firefox/3.5.4 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)
7 	95 	1.26\% 	Baiduspider+(+http://www.baidu.com/search/spider.htm)
8 	89 	1.18\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (PLAYSTATION 3; 1.00)
9 	62 	0.82\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091016 Firefox/3.5.4 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)
10 	61 	0.81\% 	Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0; Trident/4.0; GTB6; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CL
11 	52 	0.69\% 	Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.3072
12 	52 	0.69\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.0 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/3.0.195.27 Safari/532.0
13 	50 	0.67\% 	Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8) Gecko/20051111 Firefox/1.5
14 	48 	0.64\% 	Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1)
15 	48 	0.64\% 	Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; GTB6; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.045

As you can clearly see, the browser built into the PSP is by far the most popular browser on the intarwebs!
Second place being firefox 3.5.4</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976498</id>
	<title>Old news</title>
	<author>salesgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1256994960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My websites and our client's websites have been showing Firefox passing up IE6, IE7, and IE8 combined.  IE typically shows around 38\%, Firefox shows around 39\% and all others (mix of Chrome, Safari, Opera and mobile browsers) make up the difference.  It's like it 1997 all over again. I'm kind of <a href="http://garagesaletech.blogspot.com/2009/10/ding-dong-witch-ie-is-dead.html" title="blogspot.com">excited about the whole thing</a> [blogspot.com] because now the new crop of standards can come to the front faster (SVG, HTML 5, etc...).</p><p>It's about time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My websites and our client 's websites have been showing Firefox passing up IE6 , IE7 , and IE8 combined .
IE typically shows around 38 \ % , Firefox shows around 39 \ % and all others ( mix of Chrome , Safari , Opera and mobile browsers ) make up the difference .
It 's like it 1997 all over again .
I 'm kind of excited about the whole thing [ blogspot.com ] because now the new crop of standards can come to the front faster ( SVG , HTML 5 , etc... ) .It 's about time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My websites and our client's websites have been showing Firefox passing up IE6, IE7, and IE8 combined.
IE typically shows around 38\%, Firefox shows around 39\% and all others (mix of Chrome, Safari, Opera and mobile browsers) make up the difference.
It's like it 1997 all over again.
I'm kind of excited about the whole thing [blogspot.com] because now the new crop of standards can come to the front faster (SVG, HTML 5, etc...).It's about time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978390</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>salarelv</author>
	<datestamp>1257005340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>My friends are using gmail but IE was damn slow and I showed them that Firefox is way faster. Then they didn't made any stupid comments like "I like the The Intternet better" and started using Firefox gladly. We geeks have to show the benefits not just saying "it's better".</htmltext>
<tokenext>My friends are using gmail but IE was damn slow and I showed them that Firefox is way faster .
Then they did n't made any stupid comments like " I like the The Intternet better " and started using Firefox gladly .
We geeks have to show the benefits not just saying " it 's better " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My friends are using gmail but IE was damn slow and I showed them that Firefox is way faster.
Then they didn't made any stupid comments like "I like the The Intternet better" and started using Firefox gladly.
We geeks have to show the benefits not just saying "it's better".</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976336</id>
	<title>IE6</title>
	<author>FrostedWheat</author>
	<datestamp>1256993460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I decided to collect some stats for the trade services section of my companies website. Our typical customer is *not* technically minded in the least:</p><p>

<tt>
MSIE 8.0, 38.4\%<br>
MSIE 7.0, 33.8\%<br>
Firefox/3.5, 9.5\%<br>
MSIE 6.0, 9.1\%<br>
Chrome 9, 8.4\%<br>
Firefox/3.0, 3.0\%<br>
Safari 4, 1.5\%<br>
</tt>

</p><p>IE 6 is dropping fast, but a very poor showing for Opera and Safari. The OS stats are dominated by Windows XP (62\%) and Vista (33\%), with OS X and other flavours of Windows taking the remaining few percent. No Linux at all sadly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I decided to collect some stats for the trade services section of my companies website .
Our typical customer is * not * technically minded in the least : MSIE 8.0 , 38.4 \ % MSIE 7.0 , 33.8 \ % Firefox/3.5 , 9.5 \ % MSIE 6.0 , 9.1 \ % Chrome 9 , 8.4 \ % Firefox/3.0 , 3.0 \ % Safari 4 , 1.5 \ % IE 6 is dropping fast , but a very poor showing for Opera and Safari .
The OS stats are dominated by Windows XP ( 62 \ % ) and Vista ( 33 \ % ) , with OS X and other flavours of Windows taking the remaining few percent .
No Linux at all sadly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I decided to collect some stats for the trade services section of my companies website.
Our typical customer is *not* technically minded in the least:


MSIE 8.0, 38.4\%
MSIE 7.0, 33.8\%
Firefox/3.5, 9.5\%
MSIE 6.0, 9.1\%
Chrome 9, 8.4\%
Firefox/3.0, 3.0\%
Safari 4, 1.5\%


IE 6 is dropping fast, but a very poor showing for Opera and Safari.
The OS stats are dominated by Windows XP (62\%) and Vista (33\%), with OS X and other flavours of Windows taking the remaining few percent.
No Linux at all sadly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976040</id>
	<title>this is go4tsex</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256990040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>hot on the heels of These early percent of thie *BSD is dying and its</htmltext>
<tokenext>hot on the heels of These early percent of thie * BSD is dying and its</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hot on the heels of These early percent of thie *BSD is dying and its</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978512</id>
	<title>Re:The numbers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257005820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason why Firefox 1 and 2 have practically no usage is because the updates in Firefox are forced. Even if the user cancels the upgrade, Firefox upgrades itself in the next launch. That's not the case for IE, especially on the corporate side.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason why Firefox 1 and 2 have practically no usage is because the updates in Firefox are forced .
Even if the user cancels the upgrade , Firefox upgrades itself in the next launch .
That 's not the case for IE , especially on the corporate side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason why Firefox 1 and 2 have practically no usage is because the updates in Firefox are forced.
Even if the user cancels the upgrade, Firefox upgrades itself in the next launch.
That's not the case for IE, especially on the corporate side.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977486</id>
	<title>/sigh...</title>
	<author>illumin8</author>
	<datestamp>1257001560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And yet, the Fortune 15 megacorporation I work at still mandates IE6 on every corporate computer, because their hopelessly outdated and clueless web development team doesn't know how to make our apps work on anything else...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And yet , the Fortune 15 megacorporation I work at still mandates IE6 on every corporate computer , because their hopelessly outdated and clueless web development team does n't know how to make our apps work on anything else.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And yet, the Fortune 15 megacorporation I work at still mandates IE6 on every corporate computer, because their hopelessly outdated and clueless web development team doesn't know how to make our apps work on anything else...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978920</id>
	<title>Re:Win7 or Vista Remarketed...</title>
	<author>Z34107</author>
	<datestamp>1257007080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would you call Windows 7 "Vista Remarketed" but run Server 2008?</p><p>The latter <i>is</i> Vista.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you call Windows 7 " Vista Remarketed " but run Server 2008 ? The latter is Vista .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you call Windows 7 "Vista Remarketed" but run Server 2008?The latter is Vista.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976254</id>
	<title>Re:The numbers</title>
	<author>AliasMarlowe</author>
	<datestamp>1256992560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What they mean is, all versions of Firefox put together (2, 3, 3.5) have surpassed one version of Internet Explorer (6), the oldest one.</p></div><p>It's also something that varies by region. Looking at browser versions in Europe, Firefox 3 is on the heels of IE 7, and well ahead of IE 6, which is then followed by Opera 9.6 and Firefox 2. Safari, Chrome, and Opera 9.2 are well behind. Firefox 3.0 and 3.5 are not differentiated, nor are sub-versions of IE 6. Opera 10 and IE 8 do not show yet - they are probably bundled in the "others" category.
<a href="http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser\_version-eu-monthly-200902-200902-bar" title="statcounter.com">http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser\_version-eu-monthly-200902-200902-bar</a> [statcounter.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What they mean is , all versions of Firefox put together ( 2 , 3 , 3.5 ) have surpassed one version of Internet Explorer ( 6 ) , the oldest one.It 's also something that varies by region .
Looking at browser versions in Europe , Firefox 3 is on the heels of IE 7 , and well ahead of IE 6 , which is then followed by Opera 9.6 and Firefox 2 .
Safari , Chrome , and Opera 9.2 are well behind .
Firefox 3.0 and 3.5 are not differentiated , nor are sub-versions of IE 6 .
Opera 10 and IE 8 do not show yet - they are probably bundled in the " others " category .
http : //gs.statcounter.com/ # browser \ _version-eu-monthly-200902-200902-bar [ statcounter.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What they mean is, all versions of Firefox put together (2, 3, 3.5) have surpassed one version of Internet Explorer (6), the oldest one.It's also something that varies by region.
Looking at browser versions in Europe, Firefox 3 is on the heels of IE 7, and well ahead of IE 6, which is then followed by Opera 9.6 and Firefox 2.
Safari, Chrome, and Opera 9.2 are well behind.
Firefox 3.0 and 3.5 are not differentiated, nor are sub-versions of IE 6.
Opera 10 and IE 8 do not show yet - they are probably bundled in the "others" category.
http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser\_version-eu-monthly-200902-200902-bar [statcounter.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976764</id>
	<title>MS must be happy about it</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1256997600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't try to be sarcastic. Each IE 6 losing its "default browser status" is good for MS especially for their image. They "won" the browser wars already, some developers working for their rivals can't dream about MS Windows without MS HTML engines/objects. Even Big Blue relies on IE in certain jobs so they need "IE 6 compatibility" mode.</p><p>IE 7 and 8 incompatibility/quirks serve in the place of IE 6 now, why should MS really bother? Outdated browser which is bad for their security/performance image is being replaced with Firefox which is just a browser, not an engine which can be used system wide.</p><p>Want to cause red alert at Redmond? Revive the Gecko and make sure even the most basic<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET developer can plug it to their application. Talk with companies who serve Fortune 500 to make Firefox administration kit. Release a freaking<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.MSI for God's sake... That is how you can bother MS with your stats.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't try to be sarcastic .
Each IE 6 losing its " default browser status " is good for MS especially for their image .
They " won " the browser wars already , some developers working for their rivals ca n't dream about MS Windows without MS HTML engines/objects .
Even Big Blue relies on IE in certain jobs so they need " IE 6 compatibility " mode.IE 7 and 8 incompatibility/quirks serve in the place of IE 6 now , why should MS really bother ?
Outdated browser which is bad for their security/performance image is being replaced with Firefox which is just a browser , not an engine which can be used system wide.Want to cause red alert at Redmond ?
Revive the Gecko and make sure even the most basic .NET developer can plug it to their application .
Talk with companies who serve Fortune 500 to make Firefox administration kit .
Release a freaking .MSI for God 's sake... That is how you can bother MS with your stats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't try to be sarcastic.
Each IE 6 losing its "default browser status" is good for MS especially for their image.
They "won" the browser wars already, some developers working for their rivals can't dream about MS Windows without MS HTML engines/objects.
Even Big Blue relies on IE in certain jobs so they need "IE 6 compatibility" mode.IE 7 and 8 incompatibility/quirks serve in the place of IE 6 now, why should MS really bother?
Outdated browser which is bad for their security/performance image is being replaced with Firefox which is just a browser, not an engine which can be used system wide.Want to cause red alert at Redmond?
Revive the Gecko and make sure even the most basic .NET developer can plug it to their application.
Talk with companies who serve Fortune 500 to make Firefox administration kit.
Release a freaking .MSI for God's sake... That is how you can bother MS with your stats.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29982468</id>
	<title>Re:IE6</title>
	<author>Archangel Michael</author>
	<datestamp>1257017700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here is my top 5 browsers by \%</p><p>1    41\%    Internet Explorer 7.0<br>2    17\%    Internet Explorer 6.0<br>3    15\%    FireFox 3.5.4<br>4    15\%    Internet Explorer 8.0<br>5    4\%    FireFox 3.0.15</p><p>Most of the IE6 are most likely spam/malware bots looking for exploits, because the page views for these tend to all look like they are looking for a "registration" page, login page, lost password page, etc.</p><p>Yes, I have dummy pages setup for just such a purpose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is my top 5 browsers by \ % 1 41 \ % Internet Explorer 7.02 17 \ % Internet Explorer 6.03 15 \ % FireFox 3.5.44 15 \ % Internet Explorer 8.05 4 \ % FireFox 3.0.15Most of the IE6 are most likely spam/malware bots looking for exploits , because the page views for these tend to all look like they are looking for a " registration " page , login page , lost password page , etc.Yes , I have dummy pages setup for just such a purpose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is my top 5 browsers by \%1    41\%    Internet Explorer 7.02    17\%    Internet Explorer 6.03    15\%    FireFox 3.5.44    15\%    Internet Explorer 8.05    4\%    FireFox 3.0.15Most of the IE6 are most likely spam/malware bots looking for exploits, because the page views for these tend to all look like they are looking for a "registration" page, login page, lost password page, etc.Yes, I have dummy pages setup for just such a purpose.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976030</id>
	<title>Problems are still corporate users and non-techies</title>
	<author>biscuitlover</author>
	<datestamp>1256989980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is great, but IE6 is still going to stick around for years. The reasons - as have been widely discussed on these pages before - are:</p><ul>
<li>Large corporations can't be bothered with the cost and hassle of updating thousands of machines when IE6 is supposedly 'good enough' and doesn't break internal applications which were built on top of its many quirks.</li><li>Many, many home users don't know what a browser is or don't realise that there are alternatives. These people aren't stupid (well, most of them anyway) - they just don't care enough about tech to know the options.</li></ul><p>Neither of these situations will change any time soon. Gradual adoption of Windows 7 will certainly help in the second case, but the first one is dependent entirely on enterprise-level IT departments creating lots of work (and therefore cost) for themselves when senior management can't see any tangible benefit... And how soon do you think that will happen?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is great , but IE6 is still going to stick around for years .
The reasons - as have been widely discussed on these pages before - are : Large corporations ca n't be bothered with the cost and hassle of updating thousands of machines when IE6 is supposedly 'good enough ' and does n't break internal applications which were built on top of its many quirks.Many , many home users do n't know what a browser is or do n't realise that there are alternatives .
These people are n't stupid ( well , most of them anyway ) - they just do n't care enough about tech to know the options.Neither of these situations will change any time soon .
Gradual adoption of Windows 7 will certainly help in the second case , but the first one is dependent entirely on enterprise-level IT departments creating lots of work ( and therefore cost ) for themselves when senior management ca n't see any tangible benefit... And how soon do you think that will happen ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is great, but IE6 is still going to stick around for years.
The reasons - as have been widely discussed on these pages before - are:
Large corporations can't be bothered with the cost and hassle of updating thousands of machines when IE6 is supposedly 'good enough' and doesn't break internal applications which were built on top of its many quirks.Many, many home users don't know what a browser is or don't realise that there are alternatives.
These people aren't stupid (well, most of them anyway) - they just don't care enough about tech to know the options.Neither of these situations will change any time soon.
Gradual adoption of Windows 7 will certainly help in the second case, but the first one is dependent entirely on enterprise-level IT departments creating lots of work (and therefore cost) for themselves when senior management can't see any tangible benefit... And how soon do you think that will happen?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975840</id>
	<title>Ie6 is the new amish</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>My job uses WinXp Pro, Ie6, and Office 2003. AND we use an app called QAD in a dos box. It's nice to be in a minority, So I can feel special.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My job uses WinXp Pro , Ie6 , and Office 2003 .
AND we use an app called QAD in a dos box .
It 's nice to be in a minority , So I can feel special .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My job uses WinXp Pro, Ie6, and Office 2003.
AND we use an app called QAD in a dos box.
It's nice to be in a minority, So I can feel special.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976938</id>
	<title>Did that ages ago here</title>
	<author>Cloud K</author>
	<datestamp>1256998800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is definitely not news for our company website.  Don't know how well it reflects the rest of the world, but I'm quite surprised so many are still using IE6 in the first place.</p><p>Our stats show 24.25\% using Firefox and 65.12\% using various version of IE. (The rest going to Safari, Chrome etc.  Interestingly, Safari and Chrome are almost neck and neck at 4.20 and 4.11\% respectively.)</p><p>Of the 65.12\% using IE, 27.11\% of those are using version 6.  That's 17.65\% total, if my maths is any good.  It's not dying (wish it would) but has long since been overtaken by Firefox here.  7\% less doesn't sound a lot, but when you consider that Safari and Chrome are 4\% on their own, it's a fair difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is definitely not news for our company website .
Do n't know how well it reflects the rest of the world , but I 'm quite surprised so many are still using IE6 in the first place.Our stats show 24.25 \ % using Firefox and 65.12 \ % using various version of IE .
( The rest going to Safari , Chrome etc .
Interestingly , Safari and Chrome are almost neck and neck at 4.20 and 4.11 \ % respectively .
) Of the 65.12 \ % using IE , 27.11 \ % of those are using version 6 .
That 's 17.65 \ % total , if my maths is any good .
It 's not dying ( wish it would ) but has long since been overtaken by Firefox here .
7 \ % less does n't sound a lot , but when you consider that Safari and Chrome are 4 \ % on their own , it 's a fair difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is definitely not news for our company website.
Don't know how well it reflects the rest of the world, but I'm quite surprised so many are still using IE6 in the first place.Our stats show 24.25\% using Firefox and 65.12\% using various version of IE.
(The rest going to Safari, Chrome etc.
Interestingly, Safari and Chrome are almost neck and neck at 4.20 and 4.11\% respectively.
)Of the 65.12\% using IE, 27.11\% of those are using version 6.
That's 17.65\% total, if my maths is any good.
It's not dying (wish it would) but has long since been overtaken by Firefox here.
7\% less doesn't sound a lot, but when you consider that Safari and Chrome are 4\% on their own, it's a fair difference.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976184</id>
	<title>Re:Errr....people updating a free browser is news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256991540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't count out the Windows 95 users. Although, to be fair, I can't call myself that until I find an AC adapter. I can't imagine what would happen if I managed to get it onto the net.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't count out the Windows 95 users .
Although , to be fair , I ca n't call myself that until I find an AC adapter .
I ca n't imagine what would happen if I managed to get it onto the net .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't count out the Windows 95 users.
Although, to be fair, I can't call myself that until I find an AC adapter.
I can't imagine what would happen if I managed to get it onto the net.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978880</id>
	<title>Re:IE6</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1257006960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Our typical customer is *not* technically minded in the least:
<br>Chrome 9, 8.4\%</p></div><p>Uh-huh.  A twelfth of your users have managed to install the geekiest (in a good way) browser around, but they're not very technical.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Our typical customer is * not * technically minded in the least : Chrome 9 , 8.4 \ % Uh-huh .
A twelfth of your users have managed to install the geekiest ( in a good way ) browser around , but they 're not very technical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our typical customer is *not* technically minded in the least:
Chrome 9, 8.4\%Uh-huh.
A twelfth of your users have managed to install the geekiest (in a good way) browser around, but they're not very technical.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976336</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978976</id>
	<title>Re:The numbers</title>
	<author>CSMatt</author>
	<datestamp>1257007200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IE6 has stuck around because Firefox and Chrome (and possibly Safari as well, although I haven't heard anything about its upgrade process) silently push major and minor updates by default, and this is not even noticed by broadband users until they close and restart the browser.  IE7 lagged behind for months because Microsoft wanted WGA authentication first, which made IE7 difficult to push through Automatic Updates.</p><p>Also, installing a new version of IE is nothing like installing a new version of Firefox.  Upgrading IE also upgrades the IE core of Windows, which takes a <em>long</em> time.  After download, Firefox takes all of 30 seconds to upgrade, even major releases.  Faced with little time and even less incentive to care what browser version they are running, so long as what they have is working, it isn't surprising that a lot of Windows users don't even bother to upgrade IE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IE6 has stuck around because Firefox and Chrome ( and possibly Safari as well , although I have n't heard anything about its upgrade process ) silently push major and minor updates by default , and this is not even noticed by broadband users until they close and restart the browser .
IE7 lagged behind for months because Microsoft wanted WGA authentication first , which made IE7 difficult to push through Automatic Updates.Also , installing a new version of IE is nothing like installing a new version of Firefox .
Upgrading IE also upgrades the IE core of Windows , which takes a long time .
After download , Firefox takes all of 30 seconds to upgrade , even major releases .
Faced with little time and even less incentive to care what browser version they are running , so long as what they have is working , it is n't surprising that a lot of Windows users do n't even bother to upgrade IE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IE6 has stuck around because Firefox and Chrome (and possibly Safari as well, although I haven't heard anything about its upgrade process) silently push major and minor updates by default, and this is not even noticed by broadband users until they close and restart the browser.
IE7 lagged behind for months because Microsoft wanted WGA authentication first, which made IE7 difficult to push through Automatic Updates.Also, installing a new version of IE is nothing like installing a new version of Firefox.
Upgrading IE also upgrades the IE core of Windows, which takes a long time.
After download, Firefox takes all of 30 seconds to upgrade, even major releases.
Faced with little time and even less incentive to care what browser version they are running, so long as what they have is working, it isn't surprising that a lot of Windows users don't even bother to upgrade IE.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976066</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976114</id>
	<title>Re:In other news ...</title>
	<author>FireFury03</author>
	<datestamp>1256990880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A few years ago, I would've considered "$free\_browser gets bigger market share than IE6" to be a great thing.  These days it just upsets me to think that so many people are still using IE6...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A few years ago , I would 've considered " $ free \ _browser gets bigger market share than IE6 " to be a great thing .
These days it just upsets me to think that so many people are still using IE6.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few years ago, I would've considered "$free\_browser gets bigger market share than IE6" to be a great thing.
These days it just upsets me to think that so many people are still using IE6...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975974</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29980582</id>
	<title>Re:Not on my site</title>
	<author>ACS Solver</author>
	<datestamp>1257012120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a (PC) gaming-related site. To my knowledge, the amount of IT-expert visitors isn't higher than among the general population, but obviously people who play PC games at least see the PC as something more than just a Web access device. So, over the last 6 months, I'm showing</p><p>Firefox 37\%<br>IE 35\%<br>Chrome 15\%<br>Safari 6\%<br>Opera 5\%</p><p>Note that Chrome's share here is definitely higher than its overall market share. Also, IE6 is also quite unpopular. Out of IE's 35\%, IE8 is 13\%, IE7 is 17\% with IE6 at a bit under 4\%.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a ( PC ) gaming-related site .
To my knowledge , the amount of IT-expert visitors is n't higher than among the general population , but obviously people who play PC games at least see the PC as something more than just a Web access device .
So , over the last 6 months , I 'm showingFirefox 37 \ % IE 35 \ % Chrome 15 \ % Safari 6 \ % Opera 5 \ % Note that Chrome 's share here is definitely higher than its overall market share .
Also , IE6 is also quite unpopular .
Out of IE 's 35 \ % , IE8 is 13 \ % , IE7 is 17 \ % with IE6 at a bit under 4 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a (PC) gaming-related site.
To my knowledge, the amount of IT-expert visitors isn't higher than among the general population, but obviously people who play PC games at least see the PC as something more than just a Web access device.
So, over the last 6 months, I'm showingFirefox 37\%IE 35\%Chrome 15\%Safari 6\%Opera 5\%Note that Chrome's share here is definitely higher than its overall market share.
Also, IE6 is also quite unpopular.
Out of IE's 35\%, IE8 is 13\%, IE7 is 17\% with IE6 at a bit under 4\%.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976202</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978534</id>
	<title>Cookies</title>
	<author>wwfarch</author>
	<datestamp>1257005880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't most of these stats sites use cookies to track unique visitors? Assuming this is the case then there is probably a flaw in their methodology. IE users tend to be less technically inclined and therefore unlikely to delete cookies. Firefox users are probably the most likely group to block/delete cookies regularly. Wouldn't this cause Firefox numbers to be artificially high?<p>
Obviously I don't know whether this is true or not but I could see it having an impact on the overall numbers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't most of these stats sites use cookies to track unique visitors ?
Assuming this is the case then there is probably a flaw in their methodology .
IE users tend to be less technically inclined and therefore unlikely to delete cookies .
Firefox users are probably the most likely group to block/delete cookies regularly .
Would n't this cause Firefox numbers to be artificially high ?
Obviously I do n't know whether this is true or not but I could see it having an impact on the overall numbers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't most of these stats sites use cookies to track unique visitors?
Assuming this is the case then there is probably a flaw in their methodology.
IE users tend to be less technically inclined and therefore unlikely to delete cookies.
Firefox users are probably the most likely group to block/delete cookies regularly.
Wouldn't this cause Firefox numbers to be artificially high?
Obviously I don't know whether this is true or not but I could see it having an impact on the overall numbers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976772</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>Shikaku</author>
	<datestamp>1256997660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I go a few steps further.  IE skin, Adblock with all malware sites, silent upgrades.  They won't notice the difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I go a few steps further .
IE skin , Adblock with all malware sites , silent upgrades .
They wo n't notice the difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I go a few steps further.
IE skin, Adblock with all malware sites, silent upgrades.
They won't notice the difference.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976280</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29992164</id>
	<title>Re:The numbers</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1257413220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Just like Windows XP is still the most popular version of Windows</p></div><p>I think you just hit the nail on the head. The majority of people don't keep their computers up-to-date, so they'll have IE6 until they upgrade past XP. Similarly, most businesses will keep running IE6 for compatibility reasons, but when they upgrade to Vista/7 they'll be forced to use a newer version.<br>It's likely that the market share of each directly influences the other.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just like Windows XP is still the most popular version of WindowsI think you just hit the nail on the head .
The majority of people do n't keep their computers up-to-date , so they 'll have IE6 until they upgrade past XP .
Similarly , most businesses will keep running IE6 for compatibility reasons , but when they upgrade to Vista/7 they 'll be forced to use a newer version.It 's likely that the market share of each directly influences the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Just like Windows XP is still the most popular version of WindowsI think you just hit the nail on the head.
The majority of people don't keep their computers up-to-date, so they'll have IE6 until they upgrade past XP.
Similarly, most businesses will keep running IE6 for compatibility reasons, but when they upgrade to Vista/7 they'll be forced to use a newer version.It's likely that the market share of each directly influences the other.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976066</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976252</id>
	<title>Re:Wildly different at work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256992560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm trying to not jump to conclusions but... Your figures are so far from anything I see in my work that I'm guessing an important part of your site does not work in any other browser and people using them just aren't coming to your site.</p><p>First, Nordic countries are one of the most "receptive" places for alternative browsers -- this is shown in all stats I've seen.</p><p>I was thinking that maybe the employers of your visitors are all somehow similar (have very tightly controlled environments), but that doesn't explain wget getting more hits than all alternative browsers together! In fact all alternative browsers combined are easily below 1\%... I'm going to guess your site somehow requires IE, or your clientele is very "select".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm trying to not jump to conclusions but... Your figures are so far from anything I see in my work that I 'm guessing an important part of your site does not work in any other browser and people using them just are n't coming to your site.First , Nordic countries are one of the most " receptive " places for alternative browsers -- this is shown in all stats I 've seen.I was thinking that maybe the employers of your visitors are all somehow similar ( have very tightly controlled environments ) , but that does n't explain wget getting more hits than all alternative browsers together !
In fact all alternative browsers combined are easily below 1 \ % ... I 'm going to guess your site somehow requires IE , or your clientele is very " select " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm trying to not jump to conclusions but... Your figures are so far from anything I see in my work that I'm guessing an important part of your site does not work in any other browser and people using them just aren't coming to your site.First, Nordic countries are one of the most "receptive" places for alternative browsers -- this is shown in all stats I've seen.I was thinking that maybe the employers of your visitors are all somehow similar (have very tightly controlled environments), but that doesn't explain wget getting more hits than all alternative browsers together!
In fact all alternative browsers combined are easily below 1\%... I'm going to guess your site somehow requires IE, or your clientele is very "select".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978500</id>
	<title>Didn't Microsoft force an update a while back?</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1257005760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So why is IE6 still so high?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So why is IE6 still so high ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So why is IE6 still so high?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975746</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256987040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The thing is, most people see Internet Explorer as 'The Internet', in much the same way that they see Ms Windows as 'The computer'. I mean, I installed Firefox on a parents laptop, and they're first worry was that they wouldn't be able to find their favourite website 'because it was a different internet'.

People who don't grasp this concept will never see a reason to upgrade, and unfortunately, this means a silent majority of PC users probably never will.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing is , most people see Internet Explorer as 'The Internet ' , in much the same way that they see Ms Windows as 'The computer' .
I mean , I installed Firefox on a parents laptop , and they 're first worry was that they would n't be able to find their favourite website 'because it was a different internet' .
People who do n't grasp this concept will never see a reason to upgrade , and unfortunately , this means a silent majority of PC users probably never will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing is, most people see Internet Explorer as 'The Internet', in much the same way that they see Ms Windows as 'The computer'.
I mean, I installed Firefox on a parents laptop, and they're first worry was that they wouldn't be able to find their favourite website 'because it was a different internet'.
People who don't grasp this concept will never see a reason to upgrade, and unfortunately, this means a silent majority of PC users probably never will.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975692</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976520</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256995200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So your parents didn't actually research this for themselves to make an informed descision?<br>
Did they actually tell you they felt they needed a change because they where having a problem?<br>
Just wondering.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So your parents did n't actually research this for themselves to make an informed descision ?
Did they actually tell you they felt they needed a change because they where having a problem ?
Just wondering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So your parents didn't actually research this for themselves to make an informed descision?
Did they actually tell you they felt they needed a change because they where having a problem?
Just wondering.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975746</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976656</id>
	<title>Don't confuse "unpopular" with "unsupported"</title>
	<author>Crash Culligan</author>
	<datestamp>1256996460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A company I worked for had similar similar browser-share for their major web applications, and it really had little to do with Opera and Safari being niche outcast browsers. It had a lot more to do with the site being so broken as to be <em>unusable</em> in Opera and Safari. People would go one or two pages in, realize there was a problem, and either switch to a different browser, or as the growing fear was, switch to a different <em>company</em>.</p><p>It stems from the complaint above that many large corporate IT departments don't want to switch from IE6. Well, guess what the in-house web developers code for first? IE6. Then they try to tweak the design to work passably in other browsers when they should be working the other way: create a standards-based layout, then tweak for the peccadillos of other browsers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A company I worked for had similar similar browser-share for their major web applications , and it really had little to do with Opera and Safari being niche outcast browsers .
It had a lot more to do with the site being so broken as to be unusable in Opera and Safari .
People would go one or two pages in , realize there was a problem , and either switch to a different browser , or as the growing fear was , switch to a different company.It stems from the complaint above that many large corporate IT departments do n't want to switch from IE6 .
Well , guess what the in-house web developers code for first ?
IE6. Then they try to tweak the design to work passably in other browsers when they should be working the other way : create a standards-based layout , then tweak for the peccadillos of other browsers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A company I worked for had similar similar browser-share for their major web applications, and it really had little to do with Opera and Safari being niche outcast browsers.
It had a lot more to do with the site being so broken as to be unusable in Opera and Safari.
People would go one or two pages in, realize there was a problem, and either switch to a different browser, or as the growing fear was, switch to a different company.It stems from the complaint above that many large corporate IT departments don't want to switch from IE6.
Well, guess what the in-house web developers code for first?
IE6. Then they try to tweak the design to work passably in other browsers when they should be working the other way: create a standards-based layout, then tweak for the peccadillos of other browsers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976336</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29987174</id>
	<title>DUH!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256989320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What browser is installed by default on your company? Where I work it's IE6-only. Those dumb morons in IT can't manage to get even IE7... Companies websites are not a good example.</p><p>Lately, we got Exchange and Sharepoint. There's an evident move to oust anything non-Microsoft. I wonder why some people don't get fired...</p><p>Even the general population is not a great sample, because in some places it's still hard to find non-Windows machines. Where I live, for instance, Apple is almost non-existent.</p><p>It's hard to come by a reasonable sample -- but techies might do it, because they really can choose to use IE or install FF (or somethinq).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What browser is installed by default on your company ?
Where I work it 's IE6-only .
Those dumb morons in IT ca n't manage to get even IE7... Companies websites are not a good example.Lately , we got Exchange and Sharepoint .
There 's an evident move to oust anything non-Microsoft .
I wonder why some people do n't get fired...Even the general population is not a great sample , because in some places it 's still hard to find non-Windows machines .
Where I live , for instance , Apple is almost non-existent.It 's hard to come by a reasonable sample -- but techies might do it , because they really can choose to use IE or install FF ( or somethinq ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What browser is installed by default on your company?
Where I work it's IE6-only.
Those dumb morons in IT can't manage to get even IE7... Companies websites are not a good example.Lately, we got Exchange and Sharepoint.
There's an evident move to oust anything non-Microsoft.
I wonder why some people don't get fired...Even the general population is not a great sample, because in some places it's still hard to find non-Windows machines.
Where I live, for instance, Apple is almost non-existent.It's hard to come by a reasonable sample -- but techies might do it, because they really can choose to use IE or install FF (or somethinq).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976056</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29985500</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>RobertM1968</author>
	<datestamp>1256983440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Versions since IE4 have also had their icons labelled "The Internet" - I think that ended with the US DOJ Consent Decree.


</p><p><div class="quote"><p>No doubt calling their browser "Internet Explorer" instead of "Web Explorer" to take advantage of the then-more-well-known term "Internet" over "Web" worked out well for them.</p></div><p>Well, I dont think they wanted to call it "Web Explorer" since IBM was using that name for the OS/2 browser regardless. But, like you said, I am sure their reasons were for the suspicions you suggested.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Versions since IE4 have also had their icons labelled " The Internet " - I think that ended with the US DOJ Consent Decree .
No doubt calling their browser " Internet Explorer " instead of " Web Explorer " to take advantage of the then-more-well-known term " Internet " over " Web " worked out well for them.Well , I dont think they wanted to call it " Web Explorer " since IBM was using that name for the OS/2 browser regardless .
But , like you said , I am sure their reasons were for the suspicions you suggested .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Versions since IE4 have also had their icons labelled "The Internet" - I think that ended with the US DOJ Consent Decree.
No doubt calling their browser "Internet Explorer" instead of "Web Explorer" to take advantage of the then-more-well-known term "Internet" over "Web" worked out well for them.Well, I dont think they wanted to call it "Web Explorer" since IBM was using that name for the OS/2 browser regardless.
But, like you said, I am sure their reasons were for the suspicions you suggested.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29979086</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29984914</id>
	<title>Re:Bring back IE6</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1256981700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>COBOL forever!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>COBOL forever !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>COBOL forever!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976994</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29984764</id>
	<title>Re:Bring back IE6</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256981220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tell me about it -- I've got a warehouse full of brand new Peek-A-Boo fixes! What am I going to do with them now?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell me about it -- I 've got a warehouse full of brand new Peek-A-Boo fixes !
What am I going to do with them now ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell me about it -- I've got a warehouse full of brand new Peek-A-Boo fixes!
What am I going to do with them now?
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976994</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976796</id>
	<title>How is this news?</title>
	<author>genw3st</author>
	<datestamp>1256997960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is hardly worth discussing.... in fact, to me this seems about as news-worthy as FireFox surpassing Netscape Navigator or IE5.5 in browse shares. Sheesh.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is hardly worth discussing.... in fact , to me this seems about as news-worthy as FireFox surpassing Netscape Navigator or IE5.5 in browse shares .
Sheesh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is hardly worth discussing.... in fact, to me this seems about as news-worthy as FireFox surpassing Netscape Navigator or IE5.5 in browse shares.
Sheesh.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29981420</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>Neil Hodges</author>
	<datestamp>1257014700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Web standards are there for a reason.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Web standards are there for a reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Web standards are there for a reason.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977066</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977644</id>
	<title>Re:I 3 IE6.</title>
	<author>FictionPimp</author>
	<datestamp>1257002340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can put this machine on the internet without it being just filled with infections?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can put this machine on the internet without it being just filled with infections ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can put this machine on the internet without it being just filled with infections?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975842</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978824</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>word\_virus</author>
	<datestamp>1257006720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And tell me again why we're molly-coddling this people?  Folks see enough of their favorite parts of the internet go dark due to having legacy browsers that can't properly render the pages and they WILL upgrade, just like people upgraded from analog to digital over-the-air television.  Good news is you don't even need a fourty-dollar mail-in coupon to get a new web browser.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And tell me again why we 're molly-coddling this people ?
Folks see enough of their favorite parts of the internet go dark due to having legacy browsers that ca n't properly render the pages and they WILL upgrade , just like people upgraded from analog to digital over-the-air television .
Good news is you do n't even need a fourty-dollar mail-in coupon to get a new web browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And tell me again why we're molly-coddling this people?
Folks see enough of their favorite parts of the internet go dark due to having legacy browsers that can't properly render the pages and they WILL upgrade, just like people upgraded from analog to digital over-the-air television.
Good news is you don't even need a fourty-dollar mail-in coupon to get a new web browser.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975746</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976202</id>
	<title>Not on my site</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256991720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I help run a website for an art gallery/shop - make of that what you will. The stats for our site is quite different:<br> <br>
Firefox (all versions) 42.1\%<br>
IE (all versions) 40.1\%<br>
Safari 7.8\%<br>
Chrome 4.5\%<br> <br>
Go firefox!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I help run a website for an art gallery/shop - make of that what you will .
The stats for our site is quite different : Firefox ( all versions ) 42.1 \ % IE ( all versions ) 40.1 \ % Safari 7.8 \ % Chrome 4.5 \ % Go firefox !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I help run a website for an art gallery/shop - make of that what you will.
The stats for our site is quite different: 
Firefox (all versions) 42.1\%
IE (all versions) 40.1\%
Safari 7.8\%
Chrome 4.5\% 
Go firefox!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976294</id>
	<title>I've been collecting stats too...</title>
	<author>BigBadBus</author>
	<datestamp>1256992920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They're displayed <a href="http://www.paullee.com/computers/" title="paullee.com">here</a> [paullee.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're displayed here [ paullee.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're displayed here [paullee.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29982220</id>
	<title>This just in!</title>
	<author>mschuyler</author>
	<datestamp>1257017040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Linux soars past Windows 3.11 in market share!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux soars past Windows 3.11 in market share !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux soars past Windows 3.11 in market share!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29985516</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256983440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>* As a note, I wrote our Intranet to work in all versions of IE and FireFox.  I'm unsure why it doesn't work with Google Chrome but as Chrome consists of less than 1\% of our Intranet traffic, it is not worth my time to debug it.</p></div><p>You know, I saw <em>exactly</em> this argument countless times in the first (late 90s) round of the web standards wars. In case you didn't get the memo: After a long, bloody and ugly war of attrition, standards won. There's a lot of mopping up still to do, but standards hold all the important ground.</p><p>Do yourself a favour and debug these problems. They may be affecting 1\% of your users right now, but they point to something not right. Chrome is based on Webkit, which is also at the heart of the Safari browser. Don't wait until your CxO's new MacBook Air doesn't work on your site. Fix it now and save yourself some grief down the road.</p><p>And heck, even if you have a captive audience consisting of one browser - it'll do you some good to understand the problem regardless. Frequently bugs like these are hiding bigger bugs behind them. My definition of professionalism includes getting out ahead of problems, but YMMV.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>* As a note , I wrote our Intranet to work in all versions of IE and FireFox .
I 'm unsure why it does n't work with Google Chrome but as Chrome consists of less than 1 \ % of our Intranet traffic , it is not worth my time to debug it.You know , I saw exactly this argument countless times in the first ( late 90s ) round of the web standards wars .
In case you did n't get the memo : After a long , bloody and ugly war of attrition , standards won .
There 's a lot of mopping up still to do , but standards hold all the important ground.Do yourself a favour and debug these problems .
They may be affecting 1 \ % of your users right now , but they point to something not right .
Chrome is based on Webkit , which is also at the heart of the Safari browser .
Do n't wait until your CxO 's new MacBook Air does n't work on your site .
Fix it now and save yourself some grief down the road.And heck , even if you have a captive audience consisting of one browser - it 'll do you some good to understand the problem regardless .
Frequently bugs like these are hiding bigger bugs behind them .
My definition of professionalism includes getting out ahead of problems , but YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>* As a note, I wrote our Intranet to work in all versions of IE and FireFox.
I'm unsure why it doesn't work with Google Chrome but as Chrome consists of less than 1\% of our Intranet traffic, it is not worth my time to debug it.You know, I saw exactly this argument countless times in the first (late 90s) round of the web standards wars.
In case you didn't get the memo: After a long, bloody and ugly war of attrition, standards won.
There's a lot of mopping up still to do, but standards hold all the important ground.Do yourself a favour and debug these problems.
They may be affecting 1\% of your users right now, but they point to something not right.
Chrome is based on Webkit, which is also at the heart of the Safari browser.
Don't wait until your CxO's new MacBook Air doesn't work on your site.
Fix it now and save yourself some grief down the road.And heck, even if you have a captive audience consisting of one browser - it'll do you some good to understand the problem regardless.
Frequently bugs like these are hiding bigger bugs behind them.
My definition of professionalism includes getting out ahead of problems, but YMMV.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977066</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975880</id>
	<title>Errr....people updating a free browser is news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256988300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Next we'll be seeing the revelation that Linux has overtaken Windows 98. Or something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Next we 'll be seeing the revelation that Linux has overtaken Windows 98 .
Or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next we'll be seeing the revelation that Linux has overtaken Windows 98.
Or something.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975692</id>
	<title>StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256986380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just remember that StatCounter and other stat counting sites tend to be very US and English language generic - completely ignoring Russia and China and such.</p><p>What's interesting is that <a href="http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/2009/03/16/a-look-at-desktop-market-share-cis-edition" title="opera.com" rel="nofollow">Opera actually has 40-60\% marketshare in CIS countries</a> [opera.com], better than both FF and IE (and not just a single version).</p><p>But good that people are finally starting to move off from IE6.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just remember that StatCounter and other stat counting sites tend to be very US and English language generic - completely ignoring Russia and China and such.What 's interesting is that Opera actually has 40-60 \ % marketshare in CIS countries [ opera.com ] , better than both FF and IE ( and not just a single version ) .But good that people are finally starting to move off from IE6 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just remember that StatCounter and other stat counting sites tend to be very US and English language generic - completely ignoring Russia and China and such.What's interesting is that Opera actually has 40-60\% marketshare in CIS countries [opera.com], better than both FF and IE (and not just a single version).But good that people are finally starting to move off from IE6.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976098</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting Results</title>
	<author>adavies42</author>
	<datestamp>1256990700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>my guess would be that very few mac people use chrome, while people who would otherwise be using safari on windows are using chrome instead due to the absolutely horrible first three or four versions apple released. i think it may be somewhat stable now, but those first few releases crashed so often i started wondering if they'd dug up an engineer from Mac OS 8.5 to work on the thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>my guess would be that very few mac people use chrome , while people who would otherwise be using safari on windows are using chrome instead due to the absolutely horrible first three or four versions apple released .
i think it may be somewhat stable now , but those first few releases crashed so often i started wondering if they 'd dug up an engineer from Mac OS 8.5 to work on the thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>my guess would be that very few mac people use chrome, while people who would otherwise be using safari on windows are using chrome instead due to the absolutely horrible first three or four versions apple released.
i think it may be somewhat stable now, but those first few releases crashed so often i started wondering if they'd dug up an engineer from Mac OS 8.5 to work on the thing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975854</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977002</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>p51d007</author>
	<datestamp>1256999160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only reason IE is still as high as it is, is because 99\% of the people using it don't know there is an alternative.
Heck, it isn't that hard to get people to switch.  If I can get my SEVENTY SIX YEAR OLD father to switch to Firefox (he calls it Mozilla LOL),
then you can get anyone to switch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only reason IE is still as high as it is , is because 99 \ % of the people using it do n't know there is an alternative .
Heck , it is n't that hard to get people to switch .
If I can get my SEVENTY SIX YEAR OLD father to switch to Firefox ( he calls it Mozilla LOL ) , then you can get anyone to switch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only reason IE is still as high as it is, is because 99\% of the people using it don't know there is an alternative.
Heck, it isn't that hard to get people to switch.
If I can get my SEVENTY SIX YEAR OLD father to switch to Firefox (he calls it Mozilla LOL),
then you can get anyone to switch.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975746</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29979018</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257007380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, your parents are completely right. There are different internets: most of the users search items using Google or other search engines. The results are different when you are in another country, bought your PC in a different country, use different language settings. Or all the other geolocation crap that is around and makes wrong decisions because of stupid and brain dead software<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...  Changing a browser \_can\_ vastly change your view on the internet.</p><p>Result is that the internet(s) is(are) different. Remember, There Is No Spoon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , your parents are completely right .
There are different internets : most of the users search items using Google or other search engines .
The results are different when you are in another country , bought your PC in a different country , use different language settings .
Or all the other geolocation crap that is around and makes wrong decisions because of stupid and brain dead software ... Changing a browser \ _can \ _ vastly change your view on the internet.Result is that the internet ( s ) is ( are ) different .
Remember , There Is No Spoon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, your parents are completely right.
There are different internets: most of the users search items using Google or other search engines.
The results are different when you are in another country, bought your PC in a different country, use different language settings.
Or all the other geolocation crap that is around and makes wrong decisions because of stupid and brain dead software ...  Changing a browser \_can\_ vastly change your view on the internet.Result is that the internet(s) is(are) different.
Remember, There Is No Spoon.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975746</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976038</id>
	<title>In other news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256990040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tortoise walks past dead Hare.<br> <br>

Film at 11.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tortoise walks past dead Hare .
Film at 11 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tortoise walks past dead Hare.
Film at 11.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976882</id>
	<title>Re:Ie6 is the new amish</title>
	<author>kick6</author>
	<datestamp>1256998440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My job uses WinXp Pro, Ie6, and Office 2003. AND we use an app called QAD in a dos box. It's nice to be in a minority, So I can feel special.</p></div><p>With the exception of the dos box, every corporation I've ever worked for has been the same way.  In my current position, I've actually ASKED IT to allow me to install firefox, IE7, or....god ANYTHING with tabs (yea, I have to ask.  My company's machines are locked down tighter than a whale's butthole) and have been DENIED.

Apparently my company's stance is "no, you can not have a safe browser.  Please continue to use the veritable swiss cheese of internet software because its what we've blindly decided to support, and we're to arrogant to change."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My job uses WinXp Pro , Ie6 , and Office 2003 .
AND we use an app called QAD in a dos box .
It 's nice to be in a minority , So I can feel special.With the exception of the dos box , every corporation I 've ever worked for has been the same way .
In my current position , I 've actually ASKED IT to allow me to install firefox , IE7 , or....god ANYTHING with tabs ( yea , I have to ask .
My company 's machines are locked down tighter than a whale 's butthole ) and have been DENIED .
Apparently my company 's stance is " no , you can not have a safe browser .
Please continue to use the veritable swiss cheese of internet software because its what we 've blindly decided to support , and we 're to arrogant to change .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My job uses WinXp Pro, Ie6, and Office 2003.
AND we use an app called QAD in a dos box.
It's nice to be in a minority, So I can feel special.With the exception of the dos box, every corporation I've ever worked for has been the same way.
In my current position, I've actually ASKED IT to allow me to install firefox, IE7, or....god ANYTHING with tabs (yea, I have to ask.
My company's machines are locked down tighter than a whale's butthole) and have been DENIED.
Apparently my company's stance is "no, you can not have a safe browser.
Please continue to use the veritable swiss cheese of internet software because its what we've blindly decided to support, and we're to arrogant to change.
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975840</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976552</id>
	<title>Why does anyone care?</title>
	<author>bkr1\_2k</author>
	<datestamp>1256995500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is this even news?  IE7 has been in the wild for at least 6 months, perhaps a year (I don't use it so I don't know exactly) so of course IE6 market share is going to be dropping.  From what I can tell more and more people are migrating to IE7 and it's a reasonably decent browser now.  Why is anyone comparing anything, be it Mozilla, Firefox, Opera, or anything else, to IE6 now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this even news ?
IE7 has been in the wild for at least 6 months , perhaps a year ( I do n't use it so I do n't know exactly ) so of course IE6 market share is going to be dropping .
From what I can tell more and more people are migrating to IE7 and it 's a reasonably decent browser now .
Why is anyone comparing anything , be it Mozilla , Firefox , Opera , or anything else , to IE6 now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this even news?
IE7 has been in the wild for at least 6 months, perhaps a year (I don't use it so I don't know exactly) so of course IE6 market share is going to be dropping.
From what I can tell more and more people are migrating to IE7 and it's a reasonably decent browser now.
Why is anyone comparing anything, be it Mozilla, Firefox, Opera, or anything else, to IE6 now?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976238</id>
	<title>Win7 or Vista Remarketed...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256992080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"(we can only hope that as Windows 7 gains popularity, this trend will reverse)"</p><p>Why oh WHY would you even want to hope for that? I think a better thing to hope for would be for Windows XP to lose popularity. Hell, I'd rather see people transition to... *shudder* a mac over Vista Remarketed.</p><p>And before I get the "Why don't you try it" or "You're a mac fanboi" crap: My network is 7 linux boxen (2 Cell, 3 SPARC, 2 AMD64) 2 Server 2008 (1 as a workstation, 1 as a DC) 1 Win7 Ultimate, and a hoard (lost count) of Win XP laptops. No macs. No Linux on anything that isn't some form of server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ( we can only hope that as Windows 7 gains popularity , this trend will reverse ) " Why oh WHY would you even want to hope for that ?
I think a better thing to hope for would be for Windows XP to lose popularity .
Hell , I 'd rather see people transition to... * shudder * a mac over Vista Remarketed.And before I get the " Why do n't you try it " or " You 're a mac fanboi " crap : My network is 7 linux boxen ( 2 Cell , 3 SPARC , 2 AMD64 ) 2 Server 2008 ( 1 as a workstation , 1 as a DC ) 1 Win7 Ultimate , and a hoard ( lost count ) of Win XP laptops .
No macs .
No Linux on anything that is n't some form of server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"(we can only hope that as Windows 7 gains popularity, this trend will reverse)"Why oh WHY would you even want to hope for that?
I think a better thing to hope for would be for Windows XP to lose popularity.
Hell, I'd rather see people transition to... *shudder* a mac over Vista Remarketed.And before I get the "Why don't you try it" or "You're a mac fanboi" crap: My network is 7 linux boxen (2 Cell, 3 SPARC, 2 AMD64) 2 Server 2008 (1 as a workstation, 1 as a DC) 1 Win7 Ultimate, and a hoard (lost count) of Win XP laptops.
No macs.
No Linux on anything that isn't some form of server.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977400</id>
	<title>It's time to stop caring</title>
	<author>swordgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1257001200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep, IE still has the lion's share of the market. That's not news. IE6 is dwindling finally, that's not news. Firefox, Opera, and the others are gaining--that's not news <i>anymore.</i></p><p>All version of IE combined have less than a 65\% share of the market. While it's big, it's no longer a monopoly. The others are big enough that IE can't bully the market into adopting its nonstandard 'extensions' anymore, nor can it avoid adhering to the standards set.</p><p>There are meaningful alternatives. THAT is what the browser wars were all about, and in that sense, we've won. YAY!!! Seriously, yay! This is a clear and decisive victory for consumers, and firefox doesn't have to beat IE's actual percentage to accomplish it.</p><p>Or to summarize: <b>Woot!</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , IE still has the lion 's share of the market .
That 's not news .
IE6 is dwindling finally , that 's not news .
Firefox , Opera , and the others are gaining--that 's not news anymore.All version of IE combined have less than a 65 \ % share of the market .
While it 's big , it 's no longer a monopoly .
The others are big enough that IE ca n't bully the market into adopting its nonstandard 'extensions ' anymore , nor can it avoid adhering to the standards set.There are meaningful alternatives .
THAT is what the browser wars were all about , and in that sense , we 've won .
YAY ! ! ! Seriously , yay !
This is a clear and decisive victory for consumers , and firefox does n't have to beat IE 's actual percentage to accomplish it.Or to summarize : Woot !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, IE still has the lion's share of the market.
That's not news.
IE6 is dwindling finally, that's not news.
Firefox, Opera, and the others are gaining--that's not news anymore.All version of IE combined have less than a 65\% share of the market.
While it's big, it's no longer a monopoly.
The others are big enough that IE can't bully the market into adopting its nonstandard 'extensions' anymore, nor can it avoid adhering to the standards set.There are meaningful alternatives.
THAT is what the browser wars were all about, and in that sense, we've won.
YAY!!! Seriously, yay!
This is a clear and decisive victory for consumers, and firefox doesn't have to beat IE's actual percentage to accomplish it.Or to summarize: Woot!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977142</id>
	<title>Re:Win7 or Vista Remarketed...</title>
	<author>trickyD1ck</author>
	<datestamp>1257000000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good for you, but what do you care whether someone uses win 7 or a mac? Both are quality products.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good for you , but what do you care whether someone uses win 7 or a mac ?
Both are quality products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good for you, but what do you care whether someone uses win 7 or a mac?
Both are quality products.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976238</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978248</id>
	<title>The pie is bigger than 100\%</title>
	<author>Junior J. Junior III</author>
	<datestamp>1257004740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I mostly use Firefox.  But, I have IE8, Chrome installed on my PC as well. How do you work out marketshare from that?</p><p>It seems that "they" must base it off of server log statistics, which show actual use.  That seems like the most sensible approach, but really, if in a parallel universe these three browsers all cost money for a license, all three companies would be happy (and I would not be) -- they'd have their money from the sale of license, and why would they care if I generally prefer to use one over the other?</p><p>The other question I have is, I don't know how marketshare stats are done to filter the results to account for user agent impersonation.  I don't have any idea how widespread this is still, but a few years ago it was quite common to impersonate IE in order to get "bad" webservers to serve pages when they were set up to break Firefox because "bad" web developers were only testing for IE, and configured their web app to check for user agent and fail if it wasn't IE, even though other browsers might well be able to handle the code that it would have served them.  Do they have a method to account for this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mostly use Firefox .
But , I have IE8 , Chrome installed on my PC as well .
How do you work out marketshare from that ? It seems that " they " must base it off of server log statistics , which show actual use .
That seems like the most sensible approach , but really , if in a parallel universe these three browsers all cost money for a license , all three companies would be happy ( and I would not be ) -- they 'd have their money from the sale of license , and why would they care if I generally prefer to use one over the other ? The other question I have is , I do n't know how marketshare stats are done to filter the results to account for user agent impersonation .
I do n't have any idea how widespread this is still , but a few years ago it was quite common to impersonate IE in order to get " bad " webservers to serve pages when they were set up to break Firefox because " bad " web developers were only testing for IE , and configured their web app to check for user agent and fail if it was n't IE , even though other browsers might well be able to handle the code that it would have served them .
Do they have a method to account for this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mostly use Firefox.
But, I have IE8, Chrome installed on my PC as well.
How do you work out marketshare from that?It seems that "they" must base it off of server log statistics, which show actual use.
That seems like the most sensible approach, but really, if in a parallel universe these three browsers all cost money for a license, all three companies would be happy (and I would not be) -- they'd have their money from the sale of license, and why would they care if I generally prefer to use one over the other?The other question I have is, I don't know how marketshare stats are done to filter the results to account for user agent impersonation.
I don't have any idea how widespread this is still, but a few years ago it was quite common to impersonate IE in order to get "bad" webservers to serve pages when they were set up to break Firefox because "bad" web developers were only testing for IE, and configured their web app to check for user agent and fail if it wasn't IE, even though other browsers might well be able to handle the code that it would have served them.
Do they have a method to account for this?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976050</id>
	<title>Re:I 3 IE6.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1256990160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know - I couldn't get AntiVirus2009 to run on SP3!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know - I could n't get AntiVirus2009 to run on SP3 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know - I couldn't get AntiVirus2009 to run on SP3!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975842</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976250</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>Frosty Piss</author>
	<datestamp>1256992380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I mean, I installed Firefox on a parents laptop, and they're first worry was that they wouldn't be able to find their favourite website 'because it was a different internet'.</p></div><p>This is a tired anecdote that is by far a tiny minority today.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , I installed Firefox on a parents laptop , and they 're first worry was that they would n't be able to find their favourite website 'because it was a different internet'.This is a tired anecdote that is by far a tiny minority today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, I installed Firefox on a parents laptop, and they're first worry was that they wouldn't be able to find their favourite website 'because it was a different internet'.This is a tired anecdote that is by far a tiny minority today.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975746</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978458</id>
	<title>IE6 Hate?</title>
	<author>darkpixel2k</author>
	<datestamp>1257005580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Firefox has now finally surpassed IE6, which is easily the most hated version of Microsoft's browser</p></div><p>
Maybe you forgot about IE5...and IE4.  Remember IE3?<br>
<br>
And have you been in a deep freeze for the last few years?  Remember IE7?  I hear we're up to IE8 now.<br>
<br>
Feel the hate.  There's enough for every version.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Firefox has now finally surpassed IE6 , which is easily the most hated version of Microsoft 's browser Maybe you forgot about IE5...and IE4 .
Remember IE3 ?
And have you been in a deep freeze for the last few years ?
Remember IE7 ?
I hear we 're up to IE8 now .
Feel the hate .
There 's enough for every version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firefox has now finally surpassed IE6, which is easily the most hated version of Microsoft's browser
Maybe you forgot about IE5...and IE4.
Remember IE3?
And have you been in a deep freeze for the last few years?
Remember IE7?
I hear we're up to IE8 now.
Feel the hate.
There's enough for every version.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978634</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>jjoelc</author>
	<datestamp>1257006180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I did find the solution to that... (at least it has worked for me so far...) Install FF. Change all instances of the icon to the big blue "e", and label them all "The Internet".. If you have particularly observant offenders (not likely considering the situation...) Change the title bar text to match, Use an IE clone skin, and set silent upgrades...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I did find the solution to that... ( at least it has worked for me so far... ) Install FF .
Change all instances of the icon to the big blue " e " , and label them all " The Internet " .. If you have particularly observant offenders ( not likely considering the situation... ) Change the title bar text to match , Use an IE clone skin , and set silent upgrades.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did find the solution to that... (at least it has worked for me so far...) Install FF.
Change all instances of the icon to the big blue "e", and label them all "The Internet".. If you have particularly observant offenders (not likely considering the situation...) Change the title bar text to match, Use an IE clone skin, and set silent upgrades...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975746</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29978434</id>
	<title>Re:In other news ...</title>
	<author>LinuxIsGarbage</author>
	<datestamp>1257005520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yet while Mozilla dropped updates for Firefox 2.x, Microsoft still keeps patching IE 5.01 for Windows 2000 and will until Windows 2000 drops out of extended support next year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet while Mozilla dropped updates for Firefox 2.x , Microsoft still keeps patching IE 5.01 for Windows 2000 and will until Windows 2000 drops out of extended support next year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet while Mozilla dropped updates for Firefox 2.x, Microsoft still keeps patching IE 5.01 for Windows 2000 and will until Windows 2000 drops out of extended support next year.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975974</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976158</id>
	<title>Bit late?</title>
	<author>dandart</author>
	<datestamp>1256991360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You'll see that it has already done this.
<a href="http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers\_stats.asp" title="w3schools.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers\_stats.asp</a> [w3schools.com]

And there's campaigns to kill IE6 inc. Google &amp; Youtube.
IE6 MUST DIE! <a href="http://ie6update.com/" title="ie6update.com" rel="nofollow">http://ie6update.com/</a> [ie6update.com]
<a href="http://iedeathmarch.org/" title="iedeathmarch.org" rel="nofollow">http://iedeathmarch.org/</a> [iedeathmarch.org]

Hopefully with the release of Karmic people will move away from XP/earlier.
But the only thing that will kill it is M$ stop supporting XP! And have notices telling them to upgrade.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll see that it has already done this .
http : //www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers \ _stats.asp [ w3schools.com ] And there 's campaigns to kill IE6 inc. Google &amp; Youtube .
IE6 MUST DIE !
http : //ie6update.com/ [ ie6update.com ] http : //iedeathmarch.org/ [ iedeathmarch.org ] Hopefully with the release of Karmic people will move away from XP/earlier .
But the only thing that will kill it is M $ stop supporting XP !
And have notices telling them to upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll see that it has already done this.
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers\_stats.asp [w3schools.com]

And there's campaigns to kill IE6 inc. Google &amp; Youtube.
IE6 MUST DIE!
http://ie6update.com/ [ie6update.com]
http://iedeathmarch.org/ [iedeathmarch.org]

Hopefully with the release of Karmic people will move away from XP/earlier.
But the only thing that will kill it is M$ stop supporting XP!
And have notices telling them to upgrade.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976134</id>
	<title>Bit late?</title>
	<author>dandart</author>
	<datestamp>1256991060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It did that ages ago!

FF owns the browser share market:
<a href="http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers\_stats.asp" title="w3schools.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers\_stats.asp</a> [w3schools.com]

So many people are trying to kill IE6 right now, inc. Google &amp; Youtube
It has really low market share and it hates standards. Make it die!</htmltext>
<tokenext>It did that ages ago !
FF owns the browser share market : http : //www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers \ _stats.asp [ w3schools.com ] So many people are trying to kill IE6 right now , inc. Google &amp; Youtube It has really low market share and it hates standards .
Make it die !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It did that ages ago!
FF owns the browser share market:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers\_stats.asp [w3schools.com]

So many people are trying to kill IE6 right now, inc. Google &amp; Youtube
It has really low market share and it hates standards.
Make it die!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29979086</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257007620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Versions of IE before IE4 were actually called "The Internet" on the desktop and had an icon of a globe and a magnifying glass.</p><p>No other major browser has the word "Internet" in its name, and if it did Microsoft could probably sue for trademark violation.  No doubt calling their browser "Internet Explorer" instead of "Web Explorer" to take advantage of the then-more-well-known term "Internet" over "Web" worked out well for them.  They may have actually propagated continued confusion of the two terms by doing so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Versions of IE before IE4 were actually called " The Internet " on the desktop and had an icon of a globe and a magnifying glass.No other major browser has the word " Internet " in its name , and if it did Microsoft could probably sue for trademark violation .
No doubt calling their browser " Internet Explorer " instead of " Web Explorer " to take advantage of the then-more-well-known term " Internet " over " Web " worked out well for them .
They may have actually propagated continued confusion of the two terms by doing so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Versions of IE before IE4 were actually called "The Internet" on the desktop and had an icon of a globe and a magnifying glass.No other major browser has the word "Internet" in its name, and if it did Microsoft could probably sue for trademark violation.
No doubt calling their browser "Internet Explorer" instead of "Web Explorer" to take advantage of the then-more-well-known term "Internet" over "Web" worked out well for them.
They may have actually propagated continued confusion of the two terms by doing so.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975746</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976082</id>
	<title>Re:Errr....people updating a free browser is news?</title>
	<author>dingen</author>
	<datestamp>1256990520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is quite relevant, because IE6 is actually the most used browser in the world. Despite the release of newer versions of Internet Explorer, none of them have caught on enough to change that situation.</p><p>This is radically different with all other browsers, where the lastest versions are also the most popular versions of the product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is quite relevant , because IE6 is actually the most used browser in the world .
Despite the release of newer versions of Internet Explorer , none of them have caught on enough to change that situation.This is radically different with all other browsers , where the lastest versions are also the most popular versions of the product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is quite relevant, because IE6 is actually the most used browser in the world.
Despite the release of newer versions of Internet Explorer, none of them have caught on enough to change that situation.This is radically different with all other browsers, where the lastest versions are also the most popular versions of the product.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29980126</id>
	<title>Re:Problems are still corporate users and non-tech</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1257010740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I predict that the issue with large corps not wanting to change will resolve itself sooner than you think.</p><p>Many corps have been sticking to WinXP for some time now because of Vista's reputation, and the fact that MS has continued to make new XP licenses available to them.</p><p>This situation will have to change at some point -- MS cannot continue allowing new XP licenses for ever, and corps can't resist upgrading to Win7 forever. At some point, those corps who have been holding out will be forced into an upgrade cycle. At that point, those old web apps that only work in IE6 will have to updated or replaced.</p><p>With the IE6 lock-in effect removed, corps will be free to use any browser they like. I suspect almost all of them will standardise on IE8 (because corps tend toward making the same mistake twice), but that's still a heck of an improvement on IE6.</p><p>There's only two things that will delay this: Firstly, the global financial situation is making companies hesitate before spending money, so normal upgrade cycles may be delayed. And secondly, when will Microsoft stop offering XP licenses? That will really force the issue, because even if you're not doing an upgrade cycle, you still need the occasional new PC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I predict that the issue with large corps not wanting to change will resolve itself sooner than you think.Many corps have been sticking to WinXP for some time now because of Vista 's reputation , and the fact that MS has continued to make new XP licenses available to them.This situation will have to change at some point -- MS can not continue allowing new XP licenses for ever , and corps ca n't resist upgrading to Win7 forever .
At some point , those corps who have been holding out will be forced into an upgrade cycle .
At that point , those old web apps that only work in IE6 will have to updated or replaced.With the IE6 lock-in effect removed , corps will be free to use any browser they like .
I suspect almost all of them will standardise on IE8 ( because corps tend toward making the same mistake twice ) , but that 's still a heck of an improvement on IE6.There 's only two things that will delay this : Firstly , the global financial situation is making companies hesitate before spending money , so normal upgrade cycles may be delayed .
And secondly , when will Microsoft stop offering XP licenses ?
That will really force the issue , because even if you 're not doing an upgrade cycle , you still need the occasional new PC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I predict that the issue with large corps not wanting to change will resolve itself sooner than you think.Many corps have been sticking to WinXP for some time now because of Vista's reputation, and the fact that MS has continued to make new XP licenses available to them.This situation will have to change at some point -- MS cannot continue allowing new XP licenses for ever, and corps can't resist upgrading to Win7 forever.
At some point, those corps who have been holding out will be forced into an upgrade cycle.
At that point, those old web apps that only work in IE6 will have to updated or replaced.With the IE6 lock-in effect removed, corps will be free to use any browser they like.
I suspect almost all of them will standardise on IE8 (because corps tend toward making the same mistake twice), but that's still a heck of an improvement on IE6.There's only two things that will delay this: Firstly, the global financial situation is making companies hesitate before spending money, so normal upgrade cycles may be delayed.
And secondly, when will Microsoft stop offering XP licenses?
That will really force the issue, because even if you're not doing an upgrade cycle, you still need the occasional new PC.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29976030</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29977000</id>
	<title>Re:Errr....people updating a free browser is news?</title>
	<author>sprint907</author>
	<datestamp>1256999160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>true</htmltext>
<tokenext>true</tokentext>
<sentencetext>true</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975986</id>
	<title>Re:Errr....people updating a free browser is news?</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1256989440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Next we'll be seeing the revelation that Linux has overtaken Windows 98.</p> </div><p> Well, has it? I know Win98 users are few and far between, but the Linux \_desktop\_ marketshare is tiny, too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Next we 'll be seeing the revelation that Linux has overtaken Windows 98 .
Well , has it ?
I know Win98 users are few and far between , but the Linux \ _desktop \ _ marketshare is tiny , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next we'll be seeing the revelation that Linux has overtaken Windows 98.
Well, has it?
I know Win98 users are few and far between, but the Linux \_desktop\_ marketshare is tiny, too.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29975880</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_11_04_0226218.29981294</id>
	<title>Re:StatCounter etc</title>
	<author>nametaken</author>
	<datestamp>1257014340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That story brightened my day a little.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That story brightened my day a little .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That story brightened my day a little.</sentencetext>
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